The Magicks of Megas-Tu

Hey, Joe. Hi. So, we're back, and for our sins, we've decided to watch an episode of the animated series. And it is season one, episode eight. The magics of Megas 2. It has a K in it. Um, and I forgot to find out what score jammer gave this one, but what score did you give it? Jamma gave this one star out of four. and said it was highly disappointing and embarrassing. and I would give this off. I mean, I'm using the animated series as my sort of critical comparison point. Yeah. I'll give him maybe 3 styles out of four. You said before, this is of the ones that we've done so far, your favourite. It's a low bar, but yes. Yeah, yeah. Yes, only because, well, a couple of reasons. One is, I did think it sort of skipped along. nicely. It had a big pace for it because every 2.5 minutes, It became a completely different episode. And two, because it became a different episode, every 2.5 minutes they had to draw some pictures, which was very nice. Like there was some actual, I'm not going to say visual splendour but there was some imagination in how this was presented, which is not always the case with the animated series. Well, except, you know, we have had some weird things like the, do you remember when we did the counterclock incident and space was white and the stars were black and stuff. There is a sense in which, even though this is animated incredibly cheaply. They want to do weird things that they couldn't have done in a live action version. And given that that's what I think Star Trek should be doing. I you know, give it some points for that. But it's just the inane simplicity of the whole thing. It's so linear and so massively dumb. Since we last spoke, Netflix dropped 20 episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and I've watched about a 3rd of it now in the last day or so, and it just comparing the storytelling of prodigy to this. You know, they're both clearly for children, but this is clearly for children who've suffered a recent savage blow to the hair. Because it's so moronic and so simplistic compared to anything that you get now. I mean, I think the expectation on what kids can handle with television from 1972 2024, they're a world apart. Like kids are older, younger now. Well, I think that there is this thing which I say always, which is that we get better at consuming television. So storytelling can be more interesting and more challenging and can sort of allied over things that have to be spelled out in earlier TV and stuff. So we get better at telling stories via television and better at consuming them. So I think that's true of Star Trek as well. But this is really, I mean, this is very dumb, isn't it? Even, I think, taking the time period into account. We've had a free week break since we recorded our last one. We were so far ahead that the Star Trek project fans have only missed one week's worth of, you know, Star Trek critique of the highest order. Yeah, whilst you've had a lovely Greek sojourn, and I've been not podcasting for a bit. And actually, to come back to Star Trek at such an infantile level it's actually, so I sort of slowly massaging your way back into it you know. I'll put it on and I didn't have to think about it at all. Just look to the pretty pictures and went, oh, well, that was fun you know, although pretty much that's how I went to summarise this at the end. In the last scene, you even have Spock deliver the moral straight to the audience, you know? Wow, that really was Lucifer. Well, he wasn't cast out this time. This is the one time he's been saved. I actually think there are some interesting and very weird ideas here. And part of it is, like, I looked at... about 5 of these episodes for so many ideas in this. But the interesting thing is, right? This is written by Larry Brody, who has the story credit for the Voyager episode tattoo. So, are you serious? Yeah, the only episode where you see Chakotay's butt, except it's not Chakotay. body double because Belgian didn't want to get his butt out. No, I didn't want to show his button. Yeah, that was the one where they truly led into all of the dreadful, embarrassing Native American stuff. Yeah. So his original idea was that God would be at the centre of the galaxy and and that makes sense because it's the place where matter is created and that's the thing that God does. But of course, no, come on, we don't want to do that in the anime series, they weren't allowed to do that. Do you know what I mean? They weren't allowed to do that in 1973. The studio forbade it because, you know, God, and that's very important. What happened to Star Trek 5 then? Yes, that's the thing. Well, that's a movie and that's later. Shatner's ego was like, I'm not allowed to do this. Of course I'm going to do it. It's really weird, though, because the memory alpha article for neither this nor Star Trek 5, the final frontier, mentions that they share an original idea at all. So that's super strange. And so they were allowed to swap it to be the devil. So it's actually the devil. They weren't allowed to do God, but they were allowed to do the devil. But then the way that they do, the devil is so interesting and kind of oddly subversive. And that's the one interesting thing that I think that this has going for it, is what they do with the devil. And so we'll talk about it to go true. businessman, don't they? Hello, gut and curve. I think there's more to it than that. And I think there's something interesting about it. So we will get on to that. Oh, I'm pleased that you found something interesting to say about this. Yeah, we'll pretend they had something in mind when they were making this. I will say I will say that from scene to scene. It was just a lot of fun and I really, I really genuinely did enjoy the um, the static cartoons. watching this. Not a lot of movement. Right now, Nathan's got this fabulous cityscape behind him there. Magus 2, the centre of the universe. And actually, it's very retro, sort of retro 50 sci-fi, isn't it? gorgeous. It's really, it's sort of 60s modernist, I think. But with the sort of mediaeval temples in there as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The great thing is you can see the brush strokes in the sky. Like it's just a painting, but it's a really stunningly good painting, I think. it's pretty great There is some, you know there's some things to be said for this. Not worthy of one Star Wars Gamma. No. It's better than 2.5 . Exactly. All right. What do you think? Should we go in? Oh, I think we better dare two, yes. All right. Okay. I will count us in. Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. I feel like more Star Trek episodes should have titles like the magics of Megas 2 because it does sound quite enticing. We've got straight into the title sequence, yes. Yeah, yeah. Well, they rarely do a teaser, I think. It mustn't have been a thing that they were permitted to do. Do you watch the music for every time like I do? I watch the music through for everything, even 90 Star Trek, even Deep Space 9 and Voyager. I'm there watching the whole time. Jesus. I'm surprised you make it through the episode, then, if you wash it all. But this one, the lounge music version of the original theory is actually secretly pretty grain. Like I said, I've been watching Prodigy and I've been singing along with that music because I just think that's awesome. That's Michael Cicchino. Oh, yeah, but yeah. It's a new title sequence too. Slightly. Well, Ralph ducked his head in the door while the title sequence was on. And he saw the Enterprise sort of shoot across the screen sideways like it does. And they sort of looking very confused about what the hell I was watching. So he doesn't know about the original series. He doesn't want to know, really. No, fair enough. Fair enough. Stardate 1254.4.4. Yep, yep. Do you remember when you used to do the Stardates at the start of these episodes? What happened to that? Well, no, they're still on the website. I still put them on the website for sure. I just remembered one of those early episodes, you were always telling me, I'll go, thank you for, it's very useful. So we're on a mission to go to the centre of the galaxy, liking Star Trek five. I think we kidnapped, aren't we? hijacked and sent to the centre of the universe in that. And what's the mission? I don't know, look at shit. My God, look at these fireworks in space. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're going to the point where things are created. It's actually the opposite of what we think is at the centre of the galaxy now. So there's matter being created and, you know, making the galaxy which is, you know, why not? Spock says about 5 times in this episode. What an extraordinary phenomenon, Captain. Oh, I didn't know this. McCoy's just walked in now. I only guess to throw racist shade at Spock about 4 times. Excellent. Yeah, sort of like, so the animation here, they're just sort of doing scribbles across the regular pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll take it. It's something. It's an attempt to do something and to look weird. Like I'm there for it. It's pretty, you know, crappy, but whatever. It's moving a lot more than their faces are in this scene. Well, that's it. I love dramatic close-ups. Orp 10 everyone's going to be a lizard any minute. That's right. Oh, that woman. She's an Apple woman who fell over in the garage. That's Christine Chaplin. I didn't see the t-shray. They love they love that high angle shot, the bridge, don't they? In the anime series. It's one of like 3 stock shots they've got on the bridge. Well, they don't have to put a crane up in order to get it to happen. They can just draw it, you know? Can you love this? Kurt going, wow, let's hope it works like weather on earth. You know, we'll go straight into the eye of the storm. Space storms are always like that. Nathan, we are already one. 5 minutes into this episode and already we're in the eye of the storm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't waste any time, does it? Okay, so everything's damaged. What's happening? We're in a red hurricane. It's scientifically fascinating. Scientifically fascinating, he said. Now, I think something weird happens with the way McCoy is animated here because we'll get... We've just McCoy's animation. Well, no, no, no, it's all terrible in every... The Enterprise has vanished. Oh, it just vanished. Straight into the time tunnel. Disco. Jimmy Darren's disco. The time tunnel and Frisbees. It's flying past Frisbees. And now it's going to be the stripy candy planet. I once. Oh my god, doesn't the planet look like a bonbon? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Once upon a time, you know, I did have a space muffin in Amsterdam and I was seeing visions a bit like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I didn't see that. I think Ahura's hair in animation is she's got this fabulous buffon haircut in animation. She's very, very 60s looking. I mean, she's in the in live action at this point, but, uh, yeah not to put too fine aponents, but she's quite perky as well. in animotion. Ah okay. I never really noticed. Oh, Jim, we need oxygen, thanks. I'm glad the doctor's on the bridge. So systems are dead. All systems are dead. And then he just falls. No, he gently lowers himself and lies on his little console there. Oh, there goes McCoy. Whee, a duggo's bock in the foreground. Look at this hallucinatory animation now. It's wonderful. Oh, here it comes. Here he is. It's so devil. This is Lucian. He is ripped in a way that is deeply unpleasant to look at. So he's the devil. So he's got horns and he's got goat legs, so he's like a satyr, um or a fawn and he's really jacked. Oh my god. Can you imagine why? If you were between his legs. He would pop you like a spot, wouldn't he? He is really gross looking. And, of course, he is voiced by master of dialect. Jimmy Doan. He's very jolly. That's the thing about it is he's super jolly. He even calls there he is calling Spock my elfin friend, which I think is sort of delight. So it pops off and goes, ah, wonderful. primitive humans. Yeah. he loves humans. Like, that's kind of interesting. No, it's okay. It's fun. So he is, but he's fun. You know, like, um, there's something about him where he's fun and what he likes is, what he likes about humans is their curiosity and their thirst to know more and stuff like that. And remember that, that the devil rebels against God. You know, God creates everything and everyone has to kind of worship him and stuff. And the devil says, yeah, you know, screw that. I'm going to go off and do something else. And so he gets hurled out of heaven. Um, Um, oh, dear, look, Jim's all Walt Wibley. Elongation. Yeah, he's a bit long, Mr. Tickle right now. He'd forgotten how much bodily integrity means to you humans, which is an odd thing to say. Um, so, so he kind of represents the human kind of drive to explore and to know and be curious, you know, Is he the reason why they go to Earth? In this episode, are they following Lucian? or did all of the Megas Tuums head to us? No, so they used to go to Earth. He's been to earth before. And in fact, one of the weird things that this episode does is that it makes wizards canonical. Look, there's little baby Lucian. Yeah, this is where I was trying to get confused now. Then they're in a forest. And then we got all this exposition about them coming to earth and I'm like, yeah, there isn't much focus in this episode. No, no, they've had an idea. Yeah, beautiful. They have an idea, but they've got no plot, right? So he just stands around and explains the idea. And the idea is kind of interesting, but it's also sort of super dumb as well. But they're 25 minute episodes. They just don't have time to explore any of their stuff. They drop it. Do you watch an episode of Lower Decks or prodigy? You can tell a story in 25 minutes. It's just they can't. Okay, they don't have the ability to explore it. Look at him giving them apples, right? It's the devil. He's giving them apples to eat in a beautiful garden. Like the Garden of Eden. And remember the apples. The fruit is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. So, you know, when humanity rebels against God, it's because it wants to know something, you know. And so that, like, and and here, wizards are real, right? So the people of Magus 2, they're all wizards, and he's literally dressed up as a stereotypical wizard, robes and everything. They were on earth before being wizards. And he says that they were doing magic and stuff. They were using their magical abilities to help, you know, Earth's rulers and stuff like that. So magic is real in the Star Trek universe and wizards were really on earth. Kings had wizards and the wizards did magic and it was because they were from here. I could begin to see why Roddenberry might have decanonized all of the animated series. I'm not having magic and all this nonsense in Star Trek. Although he did decanonize Star Trek 5 as well. But, yeah, it's a fun idea. Well, I think it's a fun idea too. And it's a strange magic, whatever they're called. They look a bit like the Ku Klux can, don't they? They do. That's it. And the Kluklas gag came to earth and decided to push forward humanity. But see, they're presented. like these people, they're specialists where resolution isn't. Oh, I really want to lick that planet. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that is the worst bit of animation when you see them make us 2 and flying off from their planet to a... Yeah, so they end up on this painting of earth, which we've now seen. nice as well. It is quite good, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, well, they do cloud cover because it's 1973 and so they've seen what Earth looks like from space by now. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. So they came to work, he said, in search of companionship. Yeah, they came on Earth and worked as wizards, but then they had to leave and go back. And the specialists are oppressing him. You know, he enjoys being with humans, but they don't want that. And so, you know, he loves he loves earth people. This is a weird portrayal of the devil. They make us 2 and then they all went to Salem. for some reason just to hang out, and that's when they was all tried as wizards. No, no, no, no. The Salem is like a weird holiday fantasy thing. It's like they create that in order to... Are you sure? I swear... That was part of their history. Salem was part of their history because they were real wizards and witches, you see. Yeah. I love I love the bit of the minute where I'm about to get it now where Spock's trying to do the magic tricks to make the chess piece move. And then they're all trying to focus because we know we're headed to the big climax where it's going to be a magic off between the Megas tour and then Captain Kirk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's such a weird choice, isn't it? so odd. So strange. Yeah. Spock's sort of leaning very, uh... It's quite relaxed every spot like, is it? I didn't think they had that drawing of him anyway. So, yeah, so they have to learn here. Well, no, they have to learn to accept that magic is real themselves and to manipulate it, to use it themselves in order to get out of this situation, right? But they don't really do the magic versus science thing, do they? It just, this is a new way of thinking, get with it. Yeah, because we're in another universe where different laws apply like the time trap or the counterclock incident where we're also in other universes where the laws don't apply. You know, well, Dr. McCoy is going to go, come on, Spuck, there's no way you're going to move that chess piece through power of thought. So it's belief. Isn't doesn't he say that in this universe belief is strong. Yeah. I did like the fact that he said, it is logical, and then he follows it up. Yeah, I really like that. pretty good. Yeah. Although then the next line's very over there. The power of my supreme being. Move this chest. Yeah, you do magic. That's how you do magic. He's a proper wizard. Oh, look, he's got wibbly hands. I mean, it's exactly the sort of scenes we get with Chewbok and Kez, you know, when she was exploring her powers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, sort of Star Trek in the real world sort of has that sort of magic anyway, doesn't it? Gosh, that planet looks delicious. I know, I keep saying that, but... Yeah. I shove it in my gob. Oh, they'll Sulu creates this, he creates this beautiful Asian woman for himself. It's just like he'll not know what reason. Come on. We don't buy that, man. We've seen those movies. No, then it turns out it's a ripped guy. You know what I mean? The magic show your true passions. Yeah. And I love this. Like, are we expecting a twist where he's a bad guy and we don't get that because he's... No, he's very charming. And in fact, I love at the end where they're going, you know, we will cast out Lucian and Captain Kirk's like, no, please, he is a sentient being. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you said earlier, this is for very simple children. Yeah. It's just about pitched at my level, Nathan. I'm worst. Oh, no, the Enterprise is landing. crash on the planet. We've had a couple of episodes recently where there's been some very intelligent readings from you where I'm going, really? Is that what this was all about? Whereas I had no trouble at all, understanding the magics of makers too. Oh, God. The whole enterprise gets it in two. and explodes. Suddenly we're in we're in Salem and they're all in stocks. Yeah. Actually, I think that is a very cheap picture of those houses that is... That's really cool. I've barely been bothered to colour them in. no it's terrible. So we're in Salem now, and we're going to be introduced to a new character and he's called Asmodeus, and Asmodeus is a demon in Jewish mythology. He turns up in an apocryphal book called Tobit. How do you know this? Well, I looked that up. He's also in the Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual, which I did know. reminded me of, though? So strongly. Encounter a Farpoint? Put in the humanity on trial in a primitive setting. Yeah. Yeah. And so they're the vilest species in the universe They're treacherous because they drove the Megans off earth. Is that it? Um, so this guy, Asmodeus, is played by Ed Straker, who is the main guy in UFO. Oh, okay. Um, and is Captain Blue in Captain Scarlet and the Mister on. So he's English and he will be well known to my co-hosts on Startling Barbara Bain, I think. His only role in Star Trek, then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's English, he's doing the accent, though, I think. Very strange place to just come in and do a couple of lines in the animated series. Yeah, it is very odd, isn't it? Like, why, like, why are they bothering? They could just get Jimmy Doan to do another voice again? You know? Is he is he judging, you know, humanity now with how they discovered humanity back in the day on Earth? Right. Yeah. Oh, they do look like the Ku Klux clown. Look at him. No wonder they weren't greeted with any kindness. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But they called us devils and sorcerers. And then we came to Salem and then they attacked us. Yeah, they went to Salem and just sort of lived there for a bit and I guess that's where... Then they used magic. And so, yeah, and so I guess there, it is encounter at Farpoint isn't it? Isn't it? Well, it's slightly more entertaining than in current Rafael point as well, if I'm honest. A dreadful core. Mind you. Dorothy Fontana did right encounter a PowerPoint with Gene Roddenbury. And of course, she was showrunner of the animated series. In that brilliant episode, we did the magics of Megas 2. Best thing we can really do today. Oh, dear. Everyone looks very camp with their hands in the stocks, don't they? Yeah, poor old Lucians, not having fun in the stocks. I mean, he's ripped. Like you said, he should just tear his way out. Just tear it up. So, and Arex is in the stocks. Did you say that? Alarix over there. I love Arax. You know, he's great, isn't he? Oh, this is wonderful. Every time someone goes on, you know, to speak in the trial now. They sort of zap out of the stocks into the stocks, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, no, they're in the witness stand or whatever, aren't they, in that cage thing? Yeah. I call Lucien as my 1st witness. Hello. Oh, it is so simple, isn't it? Because we sort of know where this is going now, don't we? Yeah, yeah. And I like this speech. like this is a Star Trek speech. It is encounter at Far Point, isn't it? You know, all Americans know everything. They don't want to learn anything new because they're specialists in their small field and they know everything about it. Whereas humans share and cooperate and learn and grow and do all of those Star Treky things that we like, you know, and they're the things that the devil likes about us as well, and good for him. This was a great line. He goes, do you think humours have changed since Salem? and Kirk says, I think we're trying to. Yeah, which I thought was a nice line. Although, greed, envy, panicky fear. That's on 3rd thing. It's the same sort of paddocky fair I have before we press record on an episode, you know? That's right. It'll be eliminated in the future. Don't worry. But I got the impression that Lucian just wanted like some friends. He goes, that's why I took your ship, you know, because you're a nice community of people. So we're trying to say the devil's a nice guy after all. Yes, I think we are. In this, the interesting thing that they choose to do. They're told they can't use God because that would be blasphemous and so they have the devil and they make it absolutely clear that it's Lucifer, it's the devil, but the devil stands for and supports the good things about humanity. And if you think, you know, um, you think if you think about the way religion has been used to coerce and oppress and, um, you know keep people ignorant and stuff throughout centuries and centuries. Like, maybe that's not a bad call, but it can't be what the network thought, like, come together and they said, no, God, it's very strange. Did you see what you said there? He goes Well, I think that your entry into our realm was a bit of a mistake, and it's unlikely to ever happen again. So if you'll all just fuck off or never speak about this again, all right? And we're going to pollution up. Punish Lucian, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, it looks so sad. Look at him in that red bubble. I know, because that's that's the thing. He wants people. He wants people. He doesn't want to be isolated there. We're not interested in legends. He's a living being an intelligent life form. And he's a good guy. And I think that's really wonderful. This was the best bit of the whole episode, the magic off. Much better than that cheap ass version they did in the reckoning in DS9 with the coloured lights. No, Captain Kirk's got bolts of lightning. There's flames everywhere. He gets them out with water. It's like a true apocalypse going on Now this, like some weird background thing is happening and who the fuck knows what's going on. There's tendrils, there's a pride flying. That's a bright... It does look like a fried bloke. Power of gay. By the power of Greyschool. In fact, and the way they're doing the sort of zooms, it's very Power Rangers as well. Yeah. The image words of this episode is astonishing. Yeah, incomparable. Here we go now. So what's going to happen to Lucian now then? Um, I don't know, but they, like, they've decided that human beings are good and staff. I guess what happens, he gives him a snog and then they fly off or something. I don't even know what's happening. That's usually how these things end. They've decided you will be all good. I think actually Q and Encounter a Far Boy goes, you know what? I'll give this some form. I'll be back. Yeah, that's right. That's it. Every time the ratings are falling, I'll be back. Ah, dear, your compassion. Oh, it was a trick, wasn't it? The whole thing about Lucian was a trick. that right? No, no, no, but they decided that the human beings were good because they cared about Lucian and wanted to defend him and stuff. They weren't terrible. And now we're gonna beer because it's the devil. and he loves beer and let's have a drink. Whoa. It was a favourite custom of mine on earth. A toast. Good for him. Oh, here we go. Here's the moral now, delivered directly to the audience. Exactly. You really think that Lucian was really the demon that people call Lucifer? I think he was. Oh, that was the dialogue. Sorry. No, no. I know, but I think he was. And thanks to you, this is the 1st time he was saved. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. saved the devil. And that's it. To wreak havoc on the earth again. No, because he's a good guy. good for him Do you know, do you know how the director's name there is written in that sort of glorious penmanship? It's a bit like bewitched, isn it? Yeah, a little bit. I'm thinking about the, remember they do the signatures at the end of Star Trek 6? Ah, yeah. Yeah, everyone signs their name because we're never gonna see them again. Well, I'm not entirely sure what else to say about the magics of makers too. Yeah, you know, it's a thing. It wasn't the worst. I mean, I knew we were just going to laugh our way through it, and I knew our eyeballs would be titillated a little bit by the pretty colours on the screen, and I knew that none of the ideas would come to any sort of fruition at the end. No. It is incredibly simple. And like I said, they've come up with an idea, but not with a story. They've come up with a backstory, but no actual story. And so there's no real plot to it. It just like is a bunch of shit that happens, I guess. And with a very obvious kind of ending. Oh, you know, like whatever. I think the nicest thing I could possibly say about the magics of makers too. I'll just get that totally one more time is that there are a couple of steals I could take from this episode, including the beautiful cityscape of Makers 2. Captain Kirk doing his magical powers in front of the prior flag that I would actually have up on my walls, pieces of art. Yeah, yeah. It's proper pop art crap, isn't it? It's great. But beyond that, I think I may have been losing scant because I don't have many. IQ points with every 2nd this was on. That's what Star Trek the animated series is for. All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next time. Inevitably, this dreadful episode was my choice last time, and so it's your go, Joe, to pick something of lasting value. So what series are we choosing from? I want to go somewhere a bit more reliable. I don't think we're possibly going to see anything quite as extraordinary as what we've watched today. So I'm just going to choose DS9, but I think we've done far too many good DS9 episodes. So I'm gonna keep rolling until we get either average or terrible. Okay, that sounds awesome. I like that project. Oh no. Season five, episode 13 for the uniform. That's very good. It's too good. Oh, series four, episode 11. Home front. No, that's really good. We could be here sometime. Season six, episode five, favour the bold. That's great. Lead up to sacrifice of angels. Shadows and symbols. We already done. Ah, yes, here it is. Here we go. Here it is. Is it move along home? No. But it is fucking dreary to watch. Okay. Season three, episode eight. Meridian. Oh my goodness. Okay. Space 9 does Brigadoon, as directed by Jonathan Frakes. Oh, okay. Well, Jonathan Frakes is good. Yes. this being miserably cramp, though. Dak's romance of the week episode. However, I can promise you it does have some light in it because they film a huge chunk of the episode outside. Yeah, brilliant. Yeah. Well, I think this is one from memory that doesn't break the rule that romances with regular female characters are always terrible and romances with regular male characters tend to be better. Am I right? I, oh, I've never thought about it actually. Well, yes, I mean, I just thought of Melora, which is obviously terrible, and another Julian one, which is the one where... Yeah, which he shouldn't, he shouldn't be having that relationship. Anyway, I could be wrong, but okay, so Meridian then good. You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek project com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts. Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. This episode was recorded on the 16th of July 2024 and released on the 19th of July. We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Arabian. But there's some great quotes about it as well, memory alpha because no one's really impressed with it. No, yeah. Everyone's a bit embarrassed. I didn't mind it although she thought rejoined was better. Yeah, I'm going to read that one out there for me. Yeah, yeah. But it's about something. Oh, 1st there's this. Just a second, Alfie scratching at the door. Do you want to come a podcast with me, mate? Come on, inside. You take this off. All right. Are getting on the couch? Good boy. Okay. All right. Oh we are recording, aren't we? Okay. All right, let's start. How do we do this thing? The most low-key way possible. Let's see. Hey, Joe. Hi.