WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 22:12:48 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.660 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.539 So, we're doing something a little bit different. 3 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:29.280 We've only done one of these before. 4 00:00:29.339 --> 00:00:33.479 We're doing an episode of Short Tracks, and it's series 2, episode 5 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:39.539 two, made to accompany series 2 of Discovery, and it's the Trouble 6 00:00:39.539 --> 00:00:42.359 with Edward, starring John Benjamin. 7 00:00:42.780 --> 00:00:45.179 Short Trek, so good. 8 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.960 I've said to you, I wish it was a much longer episode, which is 9 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.119 the highest accolade I could possibly give it. 10 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:55.320 Do you know, I really like how short the short treks are. 11 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:58.439 There's something about telling a story within that scope, and 12 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:01.799 there are some that tell more serious stories, but again, within 13 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.859 that scope, things, there's one with Saru, which I think is 14 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:09.959 magnificent, and plays into the season a little bit later, there's 15 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.859 a magnificent one set on Discovery, 100s of years in the future. 16 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.500 Why is discovery, 100 years in the future? 17 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.980 We don't know, and it's magnificent as well. and they're just sort 18 00:01:19.980 --> 00:01:21.900 of short story length and I really like it. 19 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.799 The 1st one we watched the, was it Children of the Revolution? 20 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:29.519 Children of Mars, which has... that was incredible. 21 00:01:29.579 --> 00:01:31.439 That was nearly no dialogue. 22 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:33.420 What surprised me watching it was. 23 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:34.799 I figured these were gonna be cheap. 24 00:01:34.859 --> 00:01:39.420 And it had the most spectacular effect secret and fight sequences 25 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:40.200 in that one as well. 26 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:43.620 I was like, oh, okay, so they are genuinely pouring some resources 27 00:01:43.620 --> 00:01:45.540 into this to trail these shows. 28 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.260 Yeah, I think it's about trailing the shows and I think it's also 29 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:51.420 about experimenting in some ways. 30 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:51.719 Do you? 31 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:53.280 Yeah, I do. 32 00:01:53.340 --> 00:01:55.980 What struck me about this was, you know, we're in that sort of era 33 00:01:55.980 --> 00:01:59.159 of Kurtzman Trek now, where 15 minutes into the episode, that 34 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:00.900 could be where the pre-title sequence ends. 35 00:02:01.260 --> 00:02:05.159 Yeah, they're all sort of like pre-title sequences, aren't they? 36 00:02:05.219 --> 00:02:06.900 But little stalk is in their own right. 37 00:02:07.019 --> 00:02:08.219 You're right. 38 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.860 There's enough happening here. like that it tells a narrative. 39 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:12.659 In fact, there was a couple of bits. 40 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:15.120 I was like, why have they included that, but the 1st bit they 41 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.639 included because they have to connect it to Strange New World 42 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:18.120 somehow. 43 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.099 Otherwise, it is just a random story. 44 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.759 They're actually connecting it to Discovery series too. 45 00:02:23.819 --> 00:02:27.300 So that's the enterprise set that they make for the end of 46 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:28.319 Discovery Series 2. 47 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:32.460 And of course, and Mount is the captain in Discovery Series 2. 48 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.840 So strangely worlds is just a sort of fanboy dream at this point. 49 00:02:36.900 --> 00:02:41.400 And in fact, no episode of Lower Decks has aired yet. 50 00:02:41.460 --> 00:02:46.740 So they've commissioned lower decks a year before this aired in 51 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:47.759 October 2018. 52 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.580 This goes out in October 2019. 53 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:55.439 And so this, I think, is the 1st actual out and out Star Trek 54 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:56.159 comedy. 55 00:02:56.219 --> 00:02:57.659 Ah, okay. 56 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.620 And it's doing the thing that I'm sure a lot of people were sort 57 00:03:01.620 --> 00:03:04.500 of talking about, which was, well, they've got the money now. 58 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.219 Can they do the triple episode where you can see them multiplying 59 00:03:08.219 --> 00:03:08.819 1000000s of times. 60 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.539 The answer is yes, but they're only going to do it here in this 61 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:13.199 short tricks. 62 00:03:13.259 --> 00:03:14.400 Yeah, yeah. 63 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.159 So they're having their cake and eating it. not having to do it as 64 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.800 a whole episode, but they are sort of getting that talking point 65 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:20.219 out of the way. 66 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.879 And John Benjamin is absolutely superb. 67 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:26.219 So he is... 68 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:29.639 He is the Ridge Barclay of new iteration of Star Trek. 69 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:33.060 Well, except he's obnoxious and not likeable, which is really 70 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:33.419 great. 71 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.039 An idiot. 72 00:03:35.099 --> 00:03:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 73 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:40.379 So he's in Bob's Burgers and his archer in Archer. 74 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.180 And it's Archer? 75 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.219 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 76 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:45.780 And he always has the same voice. 77 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.620 Like he sounds the same as Bob in Bob's Burgers and the same as 78 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:51.659 Sterling Archer does in Archer. 79 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.960 But the characterisation is so different that you never think of 80 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:55.560 the other characters. 81 00:03:55.620 --> 00:03:57.240 So smooth. 82 00:03:57.300 --> 00:03:58.020 Yeah. 83 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.460 I mean, he's an idiot as well, sometimes. that's right. 84 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:08.099 And obnoxious, but he's not quite the sort of wallflower jerk that 85 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:09.960 Edward Larkin is in this. 86 00:04:10.020 --> 00:04:13.800 Do you know, although weirdly, I was less interested in his 87 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.339 character and more interested in this new captain. 88 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:18.959 I thought we were being introduced to. 89 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:20.279 For the, what's her name? 90 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:20.879 the captain? 91 00:04:20.939 --> 00:04:23.040 She's Lynn Lucero. 92 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:28.139 And so she's been handed this science vessel and she's going go on 93 00:04:28.139 --> 00:04:31.319 to have a glittering career and her own, you know, Star Trek show 94 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.740 and have lots of missions and unfortunately she's got this loser 95 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:39.120 on her shift. incompetent loser that basically brings the entire 96 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:43.560 ship down in the 1st week by feeding the tribbles. 97 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.720 And it's her, like, at the end where she's facing, you know, the 98 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:49.319 ball. 99 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:53.519 What the hell happened, you know, you had all of this promise? 100 00:04:53.579 --> 00:04:55.259 And she just says, doesn't she? 101 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:56.399 He was an idiot. 102 00:04:57.180 --> 00:04:58.920 So great. 103 00:04:58.980 --> 00:05:05.639 I think I think what is so good about it is that what's hugely 104 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:11.100 important to Star Trek is competence and because it's a show about 105 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:16.079 smart people solving space problems. everyone's kind of super 106 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.180 competent at their jobs. 107 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.000 And in fact, on this ship, they're kind of ridiculously 108 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:21.720 competent. 109 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:24.839 Like Lean is really competent and there's all these other 110 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.060 scientists sort of surrounding them who are all great. 111 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:32.220 And Larkin is very good at his job in the sense that he's a good 112 00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:35.759 biologist, but he's just bad at everything else. 113 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:37.740 Not a team player, is he? 114 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:41.939 And so you see all of these things that you see elsewhere, but 115 00:05:41.939 --> 00:05:44.100 that you've never seen in Star Trek before. 116 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.759 And so the incongruity of that is just really enjoyable. 117 00:05:47.819 --> 00:05:50.879 Even just that 1st scene where he can't get his pad to work. 118 00:05:50.939 --> 00:05:54.480 Like he refuses to allow the scientist sitting next to him. 119 00:05:54.540 --> 00:05:57.120 It still says it's broken, she fixed it. 120 00:05:57.180 --> 00:05:58.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 121 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.060 No, even the last scene with him where he's got this entire 122 00:06:03.060 --> 00:06:08.699 tsunami of triples coming up behind him and he's like, you said I 123 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:11.279 was an idiot and I was wrong and I'm not wrong. 124 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.860 And then the treble was just all land on him. 125 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.300 I'm like, oh, bless him. 126 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:19.079 He was never going to have a glittering career and stuff. 127 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:20.339 No, no. 128 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:21.060 Yeah. 129 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.560 All those anonymous messages. 130 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:24.300 I could see it, you know. 131 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.300 I mean, we don't get to know this crew too well, but there's 132 00:06:27.300 --> 00:06:29.939 potential here, you know, the 1st another little spinoff. 133 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.019 Well, I mean, I think the idea of it is that it's supposed to look 134 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:37.740 like that, and it does the thing that the spinoffs always do, that 135 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:44.160 both Deep Space Night and Voyager do, which is including a cameo 136 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.319 from the parent show at the beginning. 137 00:06:46.379 --> 00:06:51.120 And the hilarious thing about it is that that cameo, which is her 138 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:57.120 and Pike, talking about the new job, and it's all about the 139 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.740 difficulties that she's not going to have with the people under 140 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:02.579 her command. 141 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.540 And, you know, Pike makes a joke about how, give them an inch and 142 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:09.180 they'll eat you alive and then they both kind of laugh 143 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:10.740 uproariously at that. 144 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:15.240 And then, and then he tries to warn her that some of the 145 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.000 scientists under her command won't be as good as her. 146 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:20.699 And she goes, no, no, of course, many of them will be better. 147 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.800 And again, we have a sort of joke about that. 148 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:26.759 So there's all of that stuff about how important competence is to 149 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.839 Star Trek, and then we drop John Benjamin into the show with 150 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:31.680 hilarious results. 151 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:35.879 Talking about the comedy of this, it leads into my favourite type 152 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.060 of comedy as well, because this is very funny, and you and me have 153 00:07:39.060 --> 00:07:41.459 talked a lot about Star Trek comedy that hasn't landed. 154 00:07:41.699 --> 00:07:45.120 But this is very funny because it is so absurd. 155 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:49.319 But it's also a bit dark in places. very quickly as well. 156 00:07:49.379 --> 00:07:52.860 So there's a sequence where there's poor woman's in like a turbo 157 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:56.519 lift and the tribles are filling and she's literally drowning and 158 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.120 you're like, did she die, you know, and suddenly the tribles are 159 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.519 in all the circuitry and you literally see them eating the ship 160 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.939 alive and it's like, I'm not sure they're going to make it out of 161 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:06.420 this, you know. 162 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:11.040 And that, and that sort of, I know, it's still funny, but it's got 163 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.360 a bit of an edge to it and I like that. 164 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:16.500 Well, I think Kurtzman trek at this point has been darker 165 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:19.259 generally than 90s trek was. 166 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:22.860 Comedy is to come, Nathan, isn't it? 167 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.860 Yeah, well, when the comedy actually kind of happens in lower 168 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:30.839 decks, Like, that's very violent in places and kind of dark in 169 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:34.320 places, but there's a real warmth to that. 170 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.919 You know, the thing that we love about that is those 4 characters 171 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:40.320 who we just love and they're adorable. 172 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:44.700 And that's absent from this because Larkin is so fabulously 173 00:08:44.700 --> 00:08:45.539 unlikeable. 174 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:49.379 But I feel like for the best comedy in Kersman track. 175 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:53.700 Oh, certainly the best I've seen so far is that mad pantomimic 176 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:57.120 Christina Chong when she was in that princess dressed with her 177 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.820 fabulous dog and strange new wells. 178 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:01.860 Actually, it can handle the comedy brilliantly. 179 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:02.220 Yeah. 180 00:09:02.220 --> 00:09:05.940 Because it's a lighter show than discovery as a whole. 181 00:09:06.059 --> 00:09:08.820 And its characters are all very funny. 182 00:09:08.940 --> 00:09:12.480 They're all in that sort of TOS mode, depending on where the 183 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.419 episode lands, they can either be very funny or very serious. 184 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:16.919 Yeah, yeah. 185 00:09:16.980 --> 00:09:20.460 And, you know, Stranger Wills can be very serious and very dark 186 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:23.340 and very, very... 187 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:24.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 188 00:09:24.779 --> 00:09:27.179 But everyone is so relaxed. 189 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:31.799 There's no space people in the show and that's something that I 190 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.879 really appreciate and something that really harms the way the 90s 191 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:36.299 work. 192 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.100 Everyone is a sort of space person. 193 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.299 Everyone is a little bit more relaxed in Kurtzman Trek, and even 194 00:09:42.299 --> 00:09:46.500 in discovery, which is at times a bit overwrought. that people are 195 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:49.080 a little bit more identifiably human, I think. 196 00:09:49.139 --> 00:09:53.159 I'd say discovery is the closest to 90s trek, where people are 197 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:53.700 their jobs. 198 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.240 I mean, they are a little more relaxed, but, you know, we have 199 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.639 watched one recently where they were just about on a load of 200 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:00.659 technobabble in the last scene. 201 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.179 I was going, oh, yeah, here we are back in 90s Shrek again. 202 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:04.860 Good techno babble. 203 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.519 Good turnobabble and good character work, but still, they're still 204 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.200 their jobs for the most part. 205 00:10:10.259 --> 00:10:11.340 Whereas, yeah, you're right. 206 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.500 The best thing about Strangers New Worlds is they're just 207 00:10:13.500 --> 00:10:14.580 wonderful people to be around. 208 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:19.139 People, not jobs, people. that's right Well, what do you think? 209 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:19.980 Do you think we should go in? 210 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.259 Well, it's only 15 minutes long. not going to take us long. 211 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.419 All right. 212 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:30.779 I will count as in. 5, 4, 32, one. 213 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.940 And we're off. 214 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.500 So it's the discovery titles. 215 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.179 Well it's discovery titles, isn't it? 216 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.240 Is it the one that goes... 217 00:10:42.299 --> 00:10:43.320 Oh, no, it's not, is it? 218 00:10:43.379 --> 00:10:43.919 That's not in you. 219 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:46.139 No, no, no, that's not here yet, but look at the trouble with 220 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:50.039 Edward, the way the letters all Judder and then reproduce. 221 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:52.139 And look how beautiful this looks. 222 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.240 Just this shot of the enterprise. 223 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:58.019 It could be a series of stars flowing passing. 224 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.899 Yeah, yeah, no, going past Earth. 225 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:01.440 It's wonderful. 226 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:03.179 So Lynn hasn't been in the show. 227 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.120 I thought that perhaps I'd missed her in Discovery series too, but 228 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:07.500 she's... 229 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.360 I was trying to picture Marcina as something else. 230 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:10.740 I don't know. 231 00:11:10.860 --> 00:11:12.419 Her name's Rosa Salazar. 232 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:13.440 I haven't seen her in anything. 233 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:18.179 Can we talk about the, the, the, the enterprise set? 234 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.100 was gorgeous. 235 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.840 So they tease the Enterprise set earlier. we haven't seen it yet. 236 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:30.779 We do see it at the end of series 2 of Discovery, and it's very 237 00:11:30.779 --> 00:11:32.519 blue and red. 238 00:11:32.580 --> 00:11:39.000 And so it's very much them recreating the 60s set, but with, um 239 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.139 you know, with a budget and space. 240 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.519 But even so when it comes time to making it a show, they kind of 241 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.120 go, we need to spend more money and have much bigger sets and so 242 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:51.720 they... 243 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:54.480 People must have been salivated watching this then, given, yeah 244 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:55.080 this is all coming. 245 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:58.679 What impressed me so much was just how smooth that tracking shot 246 00:11:58.679 --> 00:11:59.759 was as walking along. 247 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:03.179 I'm like, we're just in a different era from 90s right now. 248 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:04.139 Yeah, yeah. 249 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.580 Look, and, and, gorgeous, Captain Mouse. 250 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:09.240 I know. 251 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.519 His hair is not quite as tall. 252 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:13.679 Oh, this woman reminds me of. 253 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:16.799 Did you ever watch that episode of, you know, Charlie Brooker 254 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:17.159 series? 255 00:12:17.220 --> 00:12:18.480 The Star Trek one. 256 00:12:18.539 --> 00:12:20.460 Oh, yeah, yeah. 257 00:12:20.460 --> 00:12:21.600 HMS Callister. 258 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:24.419 The woman in that, and sounds very like that woman. 259 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.460 That was so grim. 260 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.980 Holy crap, that was so dark, wasn't it? 261 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:30.899 Have you heard they're doing a follow-up for that? 262 00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:32.399 Yeah. 263 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:32.940 Wow. 264 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.940 So here we are at the conference table. 265 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.059 And notice that it's got the thing on the on the desk, which is 266 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:41.100 the thing that they have in original trek, you know, the 267 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:44.460 triangular screen, which they actually have like things on. 268 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.399 And so here is Edward. 269 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:49.919 He sort of looks the part, doesn't he? 270 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:52.500 It's only when he opens his mouth, then you realise, 0 dear. 271 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.279 No, he does sound of look like a bit of a schlubby guy with a sort 272 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:57.539 of gray beard and stuff. 273 00:12:57.779 --> 00:13:00.059 I wish I could hear it. his voice now. 274 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.019 I want to hear it. 275 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.100 Yeah, he's so he's that's just Archer. 276 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.240 Yeah, yeah, like the captain's getting the 1st signs there. 277 00:13:09.299 --> 00:13:11.639 She's got a hand to my mouth like, oh, yeah. 278 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.360 I think the really funny thing about this scene is something that 279 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.879 you'd never thought of before, but the thing that he's obsessed 280 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.039 with is the prospect of eating them. 281 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:28.740 He goes off skinned a couple to them and fed them to that man. 282 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.639 He's the food to know. who's there sitting next to the captain. 283 00:13:32.700 --> 00:13:35.580 I told you it was dark, didn't I? 284 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:36.899 Yeah, I said it was dark. 285 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.799 But when he says Noel's a foodie, Noel really enjoyed it and Noel 286 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.899 looks across at the captain and like shakes his head. 287 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:49.679 So what's he wants to basically make them a food source for 288 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:50.220 another planet. 289 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:51.179 Is that right? 290 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.940 He wants to wipe out an entire species. 291 00:13:53.940 --> 00:13:57.179 Wait, they don't breed very quickly. 292 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.919 Yeah, no, some foodie. 293 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:02.039 They don't breed very quickly and so he has to up their breeding 294 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:04.559 rate, which is why they become a problem. 295 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:06.960 They breed very slowly. 296 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:10.200 There was a great line at the end as well, wasn't it? 297 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:12.779 saying that they've somehow made their way into Klingon space. 298 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.620 Yes. 299 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.860 And all those jokes and trials and tribulations suddenly makes 300 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:17.039 sense. 301 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:19.740 Time for the great triple... 302 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:24.840 But of course, remember the fact that tribbles don't like Klingons 303 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:30.720 is what... is what reveals the Klingon spy in trouble with 304 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:31.200 tribles. 305 00:14:31.259 --> 00:14:32.220 The line. 306 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.860 This, a Morse letter me of the Empire. 307 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.700 But so this discussion as well. where she's going, are they 308 00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:44.940 intelligent, because it would be wrong to eat them because they're 309 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:45.419 intelligent. 310 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.480 And he thinks she's asking, are they intelligent because they 311 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:49.440 might be hard to catch? 312 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:51.840 And he says, no, no, they're really easy to catch. 313 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:54.179 And if they are intelligent, we have a problem with that. 314 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.639 I can just breathe them so they're brain damaged and that would be 315 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:56.879 fine. 316 00:14:56.940 --> 00:15:00.480 And everyone's kind of looking kind of horrified at him because he 317 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:01.379 doesn't get it at all. 318 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.720 There is another lane to this though. 319 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:06.059 I know what you're saying is appalling, yeah. 320 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:07.679 And he's fidgety, you know. 321 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:10.980 But like, have you ever been that sort of slightly less competent 322 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:12.360 person surrounded by... 323 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.919 And you see the way they're giving each other? 324 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:15.419 That's side that he's giving now. 325 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.720 Look at that look where it's just like and then this... all sort 326 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:23.639 of giving sarky slide eye to each other, which is a bit not nice. 327 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:25.980 Oh, they know that. 328 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:28.620 To be fair, some pretty terrible things. 329 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.179 Oh, yeah. 330 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.440 Now he's doing what I'll do. 331 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:34.019 Well, look, he's standing there next to the food dispenser going 332 00:15:34.139 --> 00:15:36.240 Oh, no one really likes her, you know. 333 00:15:36.299 --> 00:15:37.799 Yeah, yeah, bath. 334 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:40.080 Terrible captain, stroke manager. 335 00:15:40.139 --> 00:15:43.500 Do you think Noel's getting a salad just to kind of emphasise that 336 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:44.820 he doesn't like eating meat? 337 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:45.480 Nothing, you know. 338 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:45.960 Yes. 339 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:49.740 What is it? 340 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:51.000 He gives a triples to eat. 341 00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:53.639 It just looks like, so, you know, when he sort of sprinkles 342 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:54.419 something on the twin. 343 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.360 No, I think that's the DNA thing that makes them breed. 344 00:15:57.419 --> 00:15:58.799 I don't think he's feeding them. 345 00:15:58.860 --> 00:16:01.259 I think he's genetically engineering them with that thing. 346 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.740 It's like random arm. in the background of the shop. 347 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:06.720 But no reason to make it look science-y. 348 00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:12.419 It's so wonderful when they start popping out of that box and then 349 00:16:12.419 --> 00:16:13.740 the top pops off, don't it? 350 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.820 Yeah, yeah, no, so he just decides that he's going to he's going 351 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:21.659 to make them breed. even though you don't want to. 352 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:25.320 This was a session. where Marv was watching and got very 353 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:25.740 confused. 354 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.200 He didn't realise I was watching Star Trek because he doesn't 355 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.779 think Star Trek can do comedy was out. 356 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:32.879 He just walked out of the room and I was like, well, you don't 357 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:34.080 like good telly, so off you go. 358 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.480 I think it's... 359 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:39.059 The end of this where he refuses to let go of the end of the 360 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:39.419 conversation. 361 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.360 Yeah, she's like, no, no, the conversation is over. 362 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:44.639 And just her reaction. 363 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:48.419 She's really funny in this scene because she kind of doesn't want 364 00:16:48.419 --> 00:16:49.200 to play along. 365 00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:55.559 And just that thing about, well, they're anonymous, which means I 366 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.659 you don't know who sent them. 367 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.159 You know, like it's... 368 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:04.440 We have this thing at work called Let us know, right, where you 369 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.339 have to write about the managers and it's all anonymous, but they 370 00:17:08.339 --> 00:17:12.180 know who's written every single one of course they do. 371 00:17:13.019 --> 00:17:15.839 Depends on how vile you are. 372 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:23.819 Yeah, and this is this is the sort of um sort of interrupty back 373 00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:27.119 and forth conversation that they don't do in 90s trek that feels 374 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:28.380 very believable. 375 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:30.059 This is the sort of conversation you and I have, you know. 376 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:36.059 And he's being insubordinate as well, which is, which is pretty 377 00:17:36.059 --> 00:17:36.359 great. 378 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.880 You are going. 379 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:40.380 Go. Just go. 380 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:40.920 Yeah, yeah. 381 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:45.299 Because he's just about trying to goad her into saying he's dumb 382 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:49.440 and that's kind of and even just dumb as an insult. 383 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:53.579 It's such a stupid child sort of insult and one that you would 384 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:54.900 never hear on Star Trek. 385 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:55.559 Here we go. 386 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.000 Fire them out. 387 00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:59.819 We've never seen that before there goes, the lid comes off. 388 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:01.680 Oh, no, is this where he's in his pants? 389 00:18:01.740 --> 00:18:03.240 This is where he's in his pants. 390 00:18:03.299 --> 00:18:05.640 Again, a thing that you would never see in Star Trek. 391 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:07.319 And he's not pulling his stomach in or anything. 392 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.339 He's very generously allowing himself to look as schlubby as 393 00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:11.579 possible. 394 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.420 Those underpants, aren't they? 395 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:22.380 You don't know this, but Nathan's got a steal of that of him in 396 00:18:22.380 --> 00:18:23.460 his pants behind him right now. 397 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.579 But fortunately, Nathan's pretty head is right in the middle of 398 00:18:26.579 --> 00:18:27.660 the screen covering out. 399 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:28.859 Thank God. 400 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:37.019 So again, I think he's obsessing with eating them as well at this 401 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:37.559 point. 402 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.660 They have gauged those triples popping out of those other triples 403 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:43.380 so perfect. 404 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:44.940 Everyone's hilarious. 405 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:46.920 Did you see him? 406 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:47.759 But did you see him? 407 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.079 Feel the mate on these. 408 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.960 I mean, I would have gone the whole hog and just had him go, boy 409 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.619 boy. 410 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:54.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 411 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:55.920 But they virtually go boying, don't they? 412 00:18:55.980 --> 00:18:57.660 That's so funny. 413 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:04.380 This is the appearance of Bing Crosby singing Johnny Appleseed. 414 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:05.819 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 415 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:10.079 Bing Crosby is, of course, the grandfather of Denise Crosby from 416 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.259 Star Trek, the Next Generation. 417 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:14.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 418 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.119 So his grandfather, her grandfather suddenly appears on the show 419 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:18.720 for the 1st time. 420 00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:21.119 And I had no idea. 421 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:26.279 What I think is really fun about this is that you never, ever have 422 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:32.700 a montage set to just a song, you know, and licensing songs, like 423 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:34.859 I don't know about licensing Bing Crosby at this point. 424 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:36.420 But licensing songs is expensive. 425 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:39.720 And I always think that that makes a show seem more expensive. 426 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:44.339 I will say, I will say there is a montage to it's only a paper 427 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:45.839 moon and it's only a paper moon. 428 00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:46.859 Yeah, I like it. 429 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:49.920 But it's sung by Jimmy Darren. not. 430 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:50.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 431 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.240 It's a cover. 432 00:19:51.299 --> 00:19:51.539 Yeah. 433 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.440 Do you know what? 434 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.740 I love, I don't know what the black officer's name is, but at the 435 00:19:55.740 --> 00:19:57.660 start of these scenes were, the tribles were multiplied. 436 00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:59.279 She's laughing and she's always cute. 437 00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:01.200 And then with each subsequent scene. 438 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:03.180 Her reaction is getting more horrified. 439 00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:07.559 This where the guy walks in with the vacuum cleaner. 440 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:08.880 The enormous food. 441 00:20:10.019 --> 00:20:12.119 That is so perfect. 442 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.579 It looks very low tech as well, doesn't it? 443 00:20:14.579 --> 00:20:15.779 It's great. 444 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.660 But you can hear it go, sort of... 445 00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:24.180 But she's also the one who gets to deliver the, I believe they're 446 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.640 born pregnant line as well, which is pretty awesome. 447 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:28.980 They've got the shot. 448 00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:31.859 Where they come from the overhead ham, you know, yep. 449 00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:34.920 Oh, woman in the turbo, if she's banging against the ceiling. 450 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:35.519 Let me out. 451 00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:39.720 And then this where they're going through the corridors shooting 452 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:40.619 triples. 453 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.059 It's just so trashy. 454 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:42.960 And in every shot. 455 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.839 The triples are sort of going over the camera, aren't they? 456 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:52.440 But this shot from outside the window is unbelievably. recovering 457 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:54.119 every window as they arrived. 458 00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:57.420 It's what they would have done with the original series episodes 459 00:20:57.420 --> 00:20:58.140 if they could have. 460 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.200 Yeah, you know, it's finally fulfilling all those fantasies. 461 00:21:01.259 --> 00:21:03.420 Well, and it's that thing. 462 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:03.960 Oh, here we go. 463 00:21:04.019 --> 00:21:05.339 So this is the big final scene. 464 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.400 She's trying to coax Edward off the ship, but he's too much of an 465 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.380 idiot and he's too sure that he's right. 466 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:13.440 It's surprised that they're having this sort of slagging off match 467 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:18.180 tsunami of triples coming up. 468 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:22.200 And the way he falls over. 469 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:24.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 470 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:26.460 It's a proper comedy fall. 471 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:28.559 She just goes, oh, well, he's out. 472 00:21:28.619 --> 00:21:29.279 Shut the door. 473 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:35.339 Oh, and that shot of the tribles just filling the camera and 474 00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:36.180 covering her up. 475 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.400 And so here she is before the board. 476 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.160 I mean look at that. 477 00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:45.180 Oh, yeah. 1000000s for the bloody thing. 478 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:46.079 So good. 479 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:47.099 Oh, good. 480 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.740 Oh, this is great as well. 481 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:54.359 Yeah, of course we learn that I wonder whether this set was 482 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.900 actually used in Discovery Series 2 at the very end where they're 483 00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:58.680 being debriefed. 484 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:00.299 I can't remember, but it's interesting. 485 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:03.299 You know, I'm wondering if with all of these short treks, they 486 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:04.619 just use the resources elsewhere. 487 00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:06.180 I said, let's just film this, something extra. 488 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:06.900 Let's just use this. 489 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.200 Oh, I think that I think there definitely is that. 490 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.140 Yeah, I think it's cheaper. 491 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.380 And sometimes like 2 of them, the Saru one and the Tilly one both 492 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:20.400 feed into the later episodes, introduce elements that will come in 493 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.460 later, which is kind of interesting. sad, Nathan. is I have 494 00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:27.059 actually seen, um, Cuzwanera episodes sort of are far worse than 495 00:22:27.059 --> 00:22:27.299 this. 496 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.579 Oh, now I think this is genius. 497 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:30.660 I think this is really good. 498 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:31.980 This is great. 499 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:33.240 Oh, yeah. 500 00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:36.539 I'm saying the short tracks probably shouldn't be better than the 501 00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:36.960 episodes. 502 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 503 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.279 But yeah, they're doing something different and I think that's 504 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.440 really super, super fun. 505 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:47.819 And I think playing with, like just getting John Benjamin in, who's 506 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:49.740 a big name, all of that sort of stuff. 507 00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:53.099 It does that wonderful thing that really good comedy does. 508 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.400 It just paces itself really well, and it starts off with a load of 509 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.579 character scenes, and then the triples emerge, and then it gets 510 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:00.839 worse and worse and worse. 511 00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:03.119 And suddenly it's furiously paced at the end. 512 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:06.779 And then the cap with that scene where what defence could she 513 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:10.140 possibly give against the fact that she lost her entire ship. 514 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.339 Oh, he was an idiot. 515 00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:12.960 Boom. 516 00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:18.359 And even that gag, that final gag, which is so close to being not 517 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.799 a gag, I think, because no one ever talks like that in Star Trek 518 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:23.519 about anyone. 519 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.480 And, you know, the nearest we've got, as you said, the nearest 520 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:33.480 we've had to this is Barclay, who is loveable but awkward. 521 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.980 You've never had anything like that. 522 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.019 And so no one ever calls him an idiot. everyone's super 523 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:39.779 embarrassed about calling him, you know, even giving him a 524 00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:40.500 nickname and stuff. 525 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:45.660 And so just that stuff humanises them and makes comedy. 526 00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:47.099 Barclay was still composite. 527 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.539 And he's one of us. 528 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.759 He was extremely good at what he did. 529 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:53.339 He just wasn't good socially. was the thing with him. 530 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.420 So he's the reason that Voyager comes home, you know. 531 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.400 Oh yeah, what was this all about? 532 00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:00.779 It's very strange. 533 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.460 And so this is an ad. 534 00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:06.000 USS Ravenous. 535 00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:09.779 And so you've got these little twin girls adorably and they're 536 00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:11.519 eating tribbles from a thing. 537 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.700 And what in what you don't properly realise is a special effect 538 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:15.539 shot, I think. 539 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.839 That woman is there pouring tribbles out of that box that can't 540 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.039 possibly fit in there because they keep breeding in the box. 541 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:24.779 She looks very confused, doesn't she? 542 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.799 Oh, they're still coming. 543 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:30.119 But the other thing is too, and you know, everything moves very 544 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:31.319 fast when we were watching it. 545 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:33.180 But he's put his own DNA. 546 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:37.019 Like Edward has put his own DNA and the tribbles and like everyone 547 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:41.400 kind of reacts to that as if he's sort of wanked into the tank or 548 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.240 something. 549 00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:42.779 Do you know what I mean? 550 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.859 into that hype. 551 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:44.940 I wouldn't put it past you. 552 00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:47.519 It's my DNA. 553 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.240 DNA. 554 00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:49.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 555 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:49.740 Yeah. 556 00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:53.700 And the Edward Macronutrient is not currently approved by the 557 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:55.799 Federation Food and Drug Administration. 558 00:24:55.859 --> 00:25:00.000 And then this warning here, fur may present choking hazard, and 559 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.180 you should shave Syria with Edward Brand triple razor included. 560 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.259 The little cartoon tripples are like, oh, we're pregnant. 561 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.099 Pop, pop. 562 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:09.900 And they're like Poochie, aren't they? 563 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.619 They've got like backward baseball caps and and skateboards. 564 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.079 They should be branded as much as badgie was. 565 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.480 And it does take the idea. 566 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:20.940 It started off with him saying that triple should be eaten. 567 00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:24.720 Now they are being eaten, but just as a brand. 568 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:27.420 You'll be pleased to know that memory alpha suggests that that 569 00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:34.319 post-credits sequence, the ad for for the cereal might not be 570 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:35.700 meant to be taken literally. 571 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:40.200 They went to the effort of spelling that out for us. 572 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:41.640 So it might not be canon. 573 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:45.000 It's an invaluable resource memory alpha, yes. 574 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.839 I prefer to think it is canon, no. 575 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.819 There was a triple breakfast cereal. 576 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.859 They probably was in the 60s. 577 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 578 00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:57.119 It could be a historical document. 579 00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:58.980 For all we know. 580 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:00.119 Oh, that was blissful. 581 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:01.440 For 15 minutes. 582 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 583 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.019 That's wonderful stuff. 584 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:05.279 I wish they would do it again. 585 00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:07.619 I wish they would do it again, but I guess there's enough going 586 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:07.920 on. 587 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:10.019 But this was them experimenting. 588 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.359 I think and it's wonderful to watch them doing it in public. 589 00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:17.940 I've had forgive me, 15 minute wanks that were far less enjoyable 590 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:19.019 than watching that, you know. 591 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:19.980 Yeah, yeah. 592 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.099 That's fair. 593 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:27.779 And I think it entirely justifies the exercise of doing these 594 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:28.559 short tracks. 595 00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:31.859 One, because it does offer an enticing glimpse of what's coming. 596 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:36.299 The 2 they're just brilliant, tiny bits of television in their own 597 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:36.660 right. 598 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.859 Yeah. 599 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:38.880 Yeah, wonderful. 600 00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:40.559 I can't wait for us to do more now. 601 00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:43.140 We'll see what else you've got to off up. absolutely. 602 00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:56.700 All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to 603 00:26:56.700 --> 00:27:00.539 work out what we're going to be watching next. 604 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.700 I rolled the trouble with Edward. 605 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.240 It's your turn now, Joe. What series are we choosing from? 606 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:11.759 I'm going to do my, what I do every now and again and choose all 607 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:12.240 of them. 608 00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:12.720 Yes. 609 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:15.240 Because you never quite know what you're going to get. 610 00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:15.599 Yeah. 611 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:20.160 But it will probably, statistically speaking, be a bad episode of 612 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:21.480 Star Trek. 613 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.799 Alright, well, let's find out. 614 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.359 Your random Star Trek Voyager episode. 615 00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:31.259 Oh, right. 616 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.140 It's season five, which I do love. 617 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.180 I don't love this episode. 618 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.299 Episode 4 in the flesh. 619 00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:44.099 It's the one where they go to Starfleet Academy, you know, it's 620 00:27:44.099 --> 00:27:46.980 the Species 8468 or whatever they're called. 621 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.119 Oh, yeah, yeah. 622 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:49.619 It's Species 90210. 623 00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:54.900 And the whole sort of this terrifying race. all ends very 624 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:55.619 diplomatically. 625 00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:58.440 Yeah, that's kind of boring, isn't it? 626 00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.519 I think we should do that one. 627 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:00.299 Okay. 628 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.579 Well, then, skipping on too. 629 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.420 You're, oh, we have done one of these recently. 630 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.660 Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is tacking into the 631 00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:09.960 wind. 632 00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:13.079 Season 7, of course. 633 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:14.400 Yeah, 22. 634 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.759 And that is the one where Kira beats somebody up. 635 00:28:17.819 --> 00:28:20.039 I don't know if you remember me mentioning that a couple of weeks 636 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:21.180 ago. 637 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.259 I think you did. 638 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.319 And this is the one where Worf throws someone through a table. 639 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:26.099 It is. 640 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.359 Yeah. 641 00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:29.640 It's pretty spectacular. 642 00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:32.700 I did say I wanted to go one way or the other. 643 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.259 I think we should do it. 644 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.000 I think we should definitely do it. 645 00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:38.279 I mean, it's another season seven. 646 00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:42.000 That means the rest of DS9 is being... 647 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.299 Startingly unrepresented, but it's so good. 648 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.980 I think we probably should Yeah. 649 00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:47.880 Yeah. 650 00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.319 And that final 10 is great fun. 651 00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.259 It'll be great to check in on it again and see what it's doing. 652 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.380 It's got that scene where Ezri says to Wolf about the Klingon 653 00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:56.099 Empire dying. 654 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:56.940 Oh, yeah. 655 00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:57.720 Is that it? 656 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:01.019 It's Ron Moore's last DS9 episode. 657 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:06.000 Yeah, so it's his chance to do that, to do the annual speech about 658 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.920 how corrupt the Klingon Empire is. 659 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:11.700 But also in the same breath. say, look, I'm gonna leave a mark on 660 00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:12.119 this show. 661 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:15.779 If anything takes place after this, Garon ain't going to be in 662 00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:15.960 it. 663 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:18.779 Yeah, yeah, that's pretty amazing. 664 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.480 Because he did bring him in as well, didn't he? 665 00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:22.980 Yeah, brought him in. 666 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:23.759 We saw the episode. 667 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.619 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 668 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.660 All right, let's do that. we do that for sure. 669 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:28.440 Fabulous. 670 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:28.980 Brilliant. 671 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:40.559 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 672 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.700 and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project 673 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.519 com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social 674 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.420 media accounts. 675 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.799 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed 676 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.119 by Cameron Lamb. 677 00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:58.500 This episode was recorded on the 27th of February 2024 and 678 00:29:58.500 --> 00:29:59.819 released on the 1st of March. 679 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:04.980 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, tacking into 680 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:05.279 the wind. 681 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.200 Yeah, let's get ahead. 682 00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:24.059 That's a good idea. 683 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:24.720 Let's get ahead. 684 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:27.000 I was thinking about that today because it was just kind of like 685 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.619 this is sort of, we're assumed. 686 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:29.400 Do you know what I mean? 687 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:31.799 We've sort of settled into a routine, which works. 688 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:35.279 It means that we don't have to plan anything, but it means you 689 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.420 always have that specific amount of time from Tuesday to Friday. 690 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.819 So you always have to put aside the same night. 691 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.200 No, that's okay. 692 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:43.680 I don't mind. 693 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:44.400 That's perfectly fine. 694 00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:46.079 It's 2 hours. 695 00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:46.920 Do you know what I mean? 696 00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:48.420 It takes me to do a normal episode. 697 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.339 We'll take it takes 2 hours. 698 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.099 There's a bit of other stuff that needs doing, but basically 699 00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:53.819 that's it. 700 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.039 And I'll do the rest of it tonight. 701 00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.779 Like, you send me the thing. 702 00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:59.220 I'll treat the video. 703 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.700 I'll find a screen shot. 704 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.740 I already have one, which is just a, Steel of book, looking 705 00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:08.460 beautiful. 706 00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:10.920 Any shot from the episode? 707 00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:13.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 708 00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:16.619 Although, if you find that one where, you know, the bit I pointed 709 00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:19.019 out. lighting on him there was... 710 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:24.000 Well, yeah, yellow lighting, he was so stunning, but then he's 711 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.839 blue. 712 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:26.819 Like, he's got the blue lighting. 713 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:31.319 They absolutely nail, like something, it is a thing that TV and 714 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.839 film has not always been good at, and that's lighting black 715 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.259 people. 716 00:31:34.259 --> 00:31:40.140 And it, like, he, like, you know, like how many of the leads, like 717 00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:45.480 Joanne, Michael and Borker, all black. 718 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.819 Kind of lucky in DSN. 719 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.000 We got all those weird lighting sources within the sets, haven't 720 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:51.180 we? 721 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.000 So Cisco's often lit beautifully. 722 00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:57.180 Well, because that's the great thing that they've managed to do 723 00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:01.859 with Discovery is to make a Federation ship look as interesting as 724 00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:05.279 Deep Space 9 with different. you know what I mean? 725 00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:08.519 Like, like, I think... 726 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:09.839 You lost are more stylish. 727 00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:14.099 It's more expensive if they've got a lot more money, but what they 728 00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:18.180 don't do is the normal boring voyager gray corridors, you know. 729 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.319 Or worse. 730 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:21.000 The Enterprise, great corridors. 731 00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:22.380 Yeah, yeah. 732 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.819 That's all Mac Gray. 733 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.319 Listen, I'm going to scoop because you go, you go. 734 00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:29.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 735 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:30.900 What I'll do is I'm looking at things.