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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back after weeks and weeks of Nighty Star Trek.

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We're back nearly in the present day, just about exactly 2 years

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ago.

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This episode airs for the 1st time after a 6 week break.

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It's the 1st episode of the 2nd half of Discovery Series 4 and

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it's called All In. coming straight after the end of the 1st half

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of the season of season four, which we've also done an episode of

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Commentary on.

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That's right.

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That was but to connect.

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We are avoiding the very beginning and the very end of season

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four.

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The end, which I want to reach, because you reliably inform me, is

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fantastic.

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Yeah it is pretty good.

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Can I say something immediately arresting to you?

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Oh, go on.

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I think for the 1st time since starting, I'm tired of Star Trek

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Project, I am in complete accord with Jammer.

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Now, to be fair, Gemma gave this one star less than he gave Bem.

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I know that is your gauge.

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Refuse QED, really.

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He gives us 2 of four, which means he's sort of middling.

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And I think that's a fair marking for this because I did think

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this was a perfectly amiable hour of television. but compared to

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the highs I've seen of Discovery elsewhere.

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It isn't doing anything too revolutionary.

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I think what its role is.

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I think what it does is, but to connect ends with that kind of

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catastrophic break between Michael and book, because they're on

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opposite sides of a important pressing political question, which

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is, you know, we have this DMA, this big thing that's hoovering up

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planets and has already destroyed books, homeworld, do we try and

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make 1st contact with it or do we send a bomb through the DMA and

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try and warm them off.

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And she, she is absolutely committed to the ideals of the

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Federation, because she's Michael and this is the show, but books

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decision is also completely understandable, given what he's been

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going through all season.

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But the thing is that we had that decision made and we saw that

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decision being made when he left.

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And so we never saw him make that decision.

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We knew that he was going to, we thought he was going to probably

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go off with Taka and do what the Federation and its allies had

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decided not to do.

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But we never saw it happen.

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And so at the time, the thing that got me excited about the

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prospect of this episode, it's an episode that takes the 2 of them

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we thought we weren't going to see them, and it takes the 2 of

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them and it puts them on opposite sides for poker table.

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And so we see them actually going through this, we see their

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relationship and how it works, and we get to see that being made

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in a much more character context than a political context.

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And so I kind of like that.

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This is the central relationship of the show.

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It's pretty important, I think.

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And I think that, you know, the idea that we were, we just weren't

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going to see book again, and Michael and book weren't ever going

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to be able to talk about what had happened until the finale or

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even later than that.

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I didn't think that was satisfactory.

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So I was kind of glad of that.

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And I think this is a gentle run-up to the 2nd half of the

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season.

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I thought that was hilarious, how, you know, the cliffhanger to

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the last episode was, oh, going, oh, shit, as he's gone off, you

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know, we're never going to see him.

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It's a good cliffhanger.

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And then we spend 10 minutes at the start of this with them all

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going, right, you've got to go and find them.

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You got to stop him.

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And then the next team, she's found him.

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Okay, okay.

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That's right.

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She is the most competent woman in all of Starfleet.

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I telling you.

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She gets himself.

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And to be fair, Booker knows that she's going to find him.

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He absolutely knows that she knows where he is, he just thinks

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that Starfleet's going to stop her from doing it.

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But this is not about the search for Booker.

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This is about putting them together and getting the decision made

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again.

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And so at the end of the episode.

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The decision is definitely made.

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It's the same decision that we made 1st time, but we got to see it

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happen in a more interpersonal kind of context.

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What it is, though, is the cliffhanger did make you think that it

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was about going after Booker and it wasn't.

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It made a big deal out of him going and then she just finds him.

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And I don't know, it just felt a bit underwhelming.

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And I get what you're saying.

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It's not the cliffhanger is about his decision to go his separate

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ways from her and make his own choice.

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It just felt weird, those 2 things things in succession like

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that.

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You've just told me everything this episode does well.

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What I think it does less well is it takes far too long to get to

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the point.

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So the, yeah, we have that great moment around the poker table and

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it is a great moment, but that's about the 40 minute mark of this

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episode.

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And the rest of the time we're kind of marking time going to sort

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of the seedier locations of the galaxy.

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And I quite like that.

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But then that leads into my other problem is this kind of lacks

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the sparkle and the energy that I was expecting from that kind of

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location, which is like this casino in this, well, in in the

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middle of a hologramaphic dragon's mouth or something.

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The entrance to it is spectacular and then everything else is sort

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of a lot of drab dark rooms with everyone sitting around sort of

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throwing chips on the table.

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Yeah.

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Well, but you see, I think that the objection here is like saying

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it takes too long for image and the sand and shadows and symbols

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to do anything, that that 1st 45 minutes of that 2 parter is just

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us hanging around rehashing the character stuff that's happened in

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the lead up to it and in the series 6 Cliffhanger.

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And I think where you're more invested in the characters, you

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would find those scenes more interesting in themselves.

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The image in the sand is taking 3 character plots and playing the

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one after another.

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So it feels like it's got to be, it's exactly what but to connect

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it last time. when you had the computer plot, you had the stammets

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and culba plot and you had the...

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And so it felt like it goes by by a lick and you're learning a lot

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about the characters and in there, you add extraordinary scenes

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like that therapy scene for culba.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely amazing.

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And, you know, as good as that scene around the poker table is

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here.

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It isn't a patch on the writing that was there in the previous

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episode.

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My other big issue with this is this is the 2nd episode this

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season now where I'm not seeing this crew working together in

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succession and I think they've really got something with the

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discovery crew at this and the glimpses I get.

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There's a sweet moment with Saru and Burnham near the beginning.

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There's a great scene between Culber and Stamet, somewhere in the

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middle.

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And then at the end, when they all come together, and, you know

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it's like, here's the solve.

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The scam bit of knowledge I found in this episode to go towards

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the arc plot.

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Let's go, but they're all working together really, really well.

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And I just, I would like, and I'm reliably formed by you again

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that there is more of that in the 2nd half of the season, which

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I'm pleased because it took them a long time for this crew to

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properly gel and reap rewards like this.

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So keeping them apart as much as they are, it seems a bit old.

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Well, I mean, remember, like everyone gets something to do in but

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to connect.

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Where's Tilly?

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So she's left at this point.

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What?

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They've taken up Tilly and Georgia.

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No wonder it's so bloody serious.

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Yeah, so Tilly was back, I think, she will be back. but she's not

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a regular and she leaves early in series four in an episode that

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we actually rolled.

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It's a very kind of standard sort of Star Trek story, which I

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think is really well done.

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It's a little bit like Galileo 7 only not crap.

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And she leaves at the end of that to join Starfleet Academy and

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sort of teach there.

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And obviously Shorjo is off making preparations for her long

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awaited return in the section 31 film.

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But everyone's in that finale.

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And so this one has to concentrate on the central relationship of

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book and and Michael, and that's not, you know, the only thing

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there.

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I mean, they're not going to be together until the finale.

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So we are going to see them again and it will just be the crew.

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I do buy the relationship.

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I do think it's mature.

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I certainly think it's sexy because the 2 of them are absolutely

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gorgeous.

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Oh, beautiful.

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And they do have good chemistry.

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I said to you off my before we started that I've not really seen

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it apart from the beginning of season 3 and you tell me the start

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of season four.

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I don't really say I'm having a lot of fun together.

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So I don't know if it's an enjoyable relationship to watch.

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I believe it.

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Well, again, we destroyed his planet early in this season and

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so...

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It's got a creeping a lot of fun.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There is a lovely episode in the 1st half of the season, which is

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all about Michael's concern for his grief and that realises that

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in a really kind of interesting science fiction way that's not

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dumb, which is kind of nice.

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Do you buy that if you're not invested in this relationship, you

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know, and some people might not be, that this episode would be a

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bit of a chore.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because the relationship is all character stuff.

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Like this episode is our go slow episode where we do character

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stuff.

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I think there's some comedy in there, particularly with the

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character of Hasmazaro, who I think is pretty successful.

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He was all right.

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Well, the best character, I thought, was the woman whose name I

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never remember, sits on the bridge normally, who gets up in the

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ring and starts kicking the shit out of people and I'm like, yeah

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yeah, yeah.

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So that's Joanne.

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No, I couldn't.

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She been in it since the 1st, you know, since she 1st got on

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Discovery.

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That's another big strength of discovery.

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See, I can't say nice things, is that these characters in series

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one but got a line and a shot in most episodes.

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Who's the other one with the one with the red hair?

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wonderful.

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Oh, Kayla, dead man.

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Oh, fabulous.

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Yeah, because they're good friends, aren't they, these two?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And how in the late seasons, especially in 3 and four, they're

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suddenly being given a lot more to do in a lot more opportun- It

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almost like, right, you stuck around, and for that one shot, and

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sooner as one, we're going to reward you with some material. given

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a lot more to do, to be fair.

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They are given something to do, which is kind of nice, given that

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they started their job as basically scenery, I think, with their

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original role.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. thought she was good.

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And I thought her conversation with Taka was good.

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I think you've done to me what I often do to you on entire Star

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Trek.

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And that is, you gave me unrealistic expectations going into

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this.

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I was expecting like a high energy, crazy quirky location.

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And what I actually got was a gentle character tale.

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Um, so maybe maybe I'm the problem.

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Maybe, you know, maybe my expectations are the problem here.

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But it wasn't unenjoyable.

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Yeah, the other thing too, is that we've done a series one episode

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in a series 2 episode of Discovery that we're a bit crap, because

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whenever you do discovery, it is part of an ongoing story, each

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season tells an ongoing story.

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And so we did a series one episode that was set in the mirror

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universe that was like the dullest episode of the season. boring.

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Which should have been great.

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Well, but because they have the sort of daytime soap opera

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structure of just moving everyone's plot on a little bit.

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And the thing that this series, I think, gets right, that series 4

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gets right is that it does that and that's what the Hugh and Paul

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scene is for, I think, in this episode.

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It's what DS9 was doing in those last 10, isn't it?

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It is inching everything along.

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Whilst it's doing that, some episodes are going to have big

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moments like Butter Connected.

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Another episodes are, are going to be, I'd be quieter and sort of

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a less, less assuming than that.

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But this is an episode with a focus.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It is about the tour of the meeting at this casino and us

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discovering something a little bit more about the 10 C.

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And so the thing that this series does is while it does have

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ongoing plots and stuff, it still manages to give each episode a

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distinct arc and that's not something that the discoveries we've

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watched have always managed to do.

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So you know, you told me there's sort of this huge fracture in

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Star Trek fandom with discovery, and some people embraced it, but

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quite a few people have just sort of pushed away from it.

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I can imagine them watching this and going, what the hell is

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this?

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Fun with a casino and all these character scenes.

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And then at the end, when they're all together talking about the

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DMA, they're like, oh, thank God, you know.

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We're back into Star Trek again.

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Well, you see, I think I think when Discovery came on, I was ready

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for something really very new and was absolutely on board with all

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of the kind of changes they'd made because we'd had...

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Well, it's, at this point, it's, you know, things have got messy

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and it's been retooled halfway and all of that sort of thing.

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But I don't watch it all that often because, you know, I'm

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watching one Star Trek a week for this.

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And coming back to it, I always just sort of feel, yeah, I like

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this world and I like these people.

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And it was that scene that you mentioned with Saru and Michael and

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just how much this crew loves each other, I think, is really

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something.

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And so I was sort of, I was happy to be back.

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I mean, I will say to no, Star Trek fans, just before we press

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play. you know, this is an episode where they're chasing dilithium

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which features poker and has an enormous space anomaly as the you

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know, the big threat of the season.

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So this is probably the most TNG is season of discoveries you're

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ever going to get.

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Or should we watch it?

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Yeah, I think we should.

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Alright.

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That's the thing about when I'm a bit unimpressed by it.

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Then I know I'll get to talk to you about it, so I'm going to have

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a much better experience of it, you know, the 2nd time.

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All right.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Oh, is this before or after the, you know, the great logo?

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It's before we get the logo.

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So look at book ship, how disassembles in space for literally no

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reason, except it's really cool.

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The difference between that and a matter of time is...

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I mean, look at this anomaly compared to a Mac.

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I know.

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Suddenly we're in a period where they can light things.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And they can, they sort of, you know, they, the techno babble can

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be illustrated with diagrams for our benefit.

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Not like the diagram that showed that the drilling sites and the

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volcanic eruptions happen at the same place.

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Could you love it as well?

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We'll get there.

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They get straight to a bloody point at the end where they're

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talking about the Techna babble and there's a few lines of Tech.

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And then she goes, oh, great, it's just like mining equipment.

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I was like, thank you.

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Yeah, there we go.

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We'll get down to my level.

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Thank you.

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We got a little shot of Gray and Adira, and they're gone, of

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course.

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They're not in it either.

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Why are they excised all the best characters?

332
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No, I think people leave.

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Do you know what I mean?

334
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And that's one of the things that happens with this show is it

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more than any other version of Star Trek has a really fluid cast.

336
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Do you think that's another objection people have?

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Like, you know, those people that like the one crew.

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But it was never realistic.

339
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Like, that was part of the problem.

340
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He's like, we're all just going to sit here, we will all be doing

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the same jobs for 7 years.

342
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Strange New Worlds has managed to keep it up pretty well in 2

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seasons.

344
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Well, it's only had 20 episodes.

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I hope it has 200.

346
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Yeah, I do too.

347
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Look at this.

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I love Federation HQ.

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You don't even know what you're looking at.

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It's amazing out the wall.

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What's that?

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Where he is now.

353
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Is that a set, or is that?

354
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That's a set.

355
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I don't think that's the ball.

356
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That's what a curves an effect, yeah.

357
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It's amazing.

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It's beautiful.

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And, you know, they they use the hell out of it.

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And they reuse it for other things.

361
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The thing that makes me sad is, right, it's very impressive.

362
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In 20 years time, we'll be looking at this going, just like we do

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with 90 Star Trek.

364
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Looks so cheap.

365
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Look how cheap this looks. back before we used our VR sets, you

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know, to be immersively in Star Trek.

367
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So, I actually like the scene and the reason I like I partly like

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the scene because they are standing in front of a table that has

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no legs, but like no fucking reason except that we're in the 30s.

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And tables float in the air now.

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It can't have little jets coming out underneath, little puffs of

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steam.

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No, no, that's not how it works.

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It just stays there.

375
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So, but I like that she actually gets to say what we were saying

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which is like, you, you're a bit crap because it's your boyfriend

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who's gone off to kind of destroy, you know, your plans.

378
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How can you not have known about?

379
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And so they're both getting a dressing down here.

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The way she works it is, you know, I can understand how in a

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professional capacity that you may not understand, you know, that

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he was going to go off and do this.

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But you, you had a personal relationship.

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You were banging him, for God's sake.

385
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How did you not know?

386
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yeah, yeah.

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I love her.

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I call her the Admiral Nachev of the new iteration of Star Trek.

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She has a sort of peculiar space way of delivering her dialogue

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sort of very, very earnestly.

391
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Yeah, we we saw her last time, obviously, in that very speechy, but

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to connect, where they're making their political case, and she's a

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very political animal.

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We've seen her on the bridge of discovery butting heads with

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Michael and stuff before.

396
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Race is she?

397
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Oh, so she actually tells us that she is part Cardassian and part

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Bajoran.

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Oh my word.

400
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Yeah.

401
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Things have no dolphin.

402
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Well, that's it.

403
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But that's why she's president of the Federation.

404
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That why the Federation's important.

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She kind of embodies the Federation in a way.

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And so you can see it in the makeup.

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Do you know what though, right?

408
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Don't come with me here.

409
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I do wonder if to start off this new half season, we should start

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running and not with a 5 minute dialogue scene.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe.

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But I mean, yeah, yeah.

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We had our exciting last time on.

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But I think now they do the, as well as the previously on, they'll

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do the, you know, last week, when this happens, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So there are...

417
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That wasn't 5 minutes, though.

418
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More than a little touch of 90s trick going on there.

419
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But, you know, like, I like Star Trek, because I like people

420
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showing around in rooms.

421
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Yeah, so he's stolen a spore drive, and so the ship has a spore

422
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drive, and it's that weird programmable matter, and I discovered

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something about him because he's from Riser, of course, Taka.

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And it always makes me think of his flat here is without seeing

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riser.

426
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Do you know?

427
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See the cup thing on his forehead?

428
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Vanessa Williams.

429
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Oh, no, she did, yeah.

430
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You should have a hawk on on him as well, you know.

431
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You seek Jamahara.

432
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In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing Jamaha right between this pair.

433
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Yeah, yeah, with pork.

434
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Why not?

435
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So why, sorry, you're going to have to catch me up because it's

436
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been a while since we've won a bunch of chicken.

437
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Why is Taka pissed?

438
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Was his planet destroyed as well?

439
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We don't know.

440
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And what is it?

441
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Yeah.

442
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We will find out in the 2nd half of the season in a series of

443
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flashbacks, but we will also kind of find out because Joanne talks

444
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to him.

445
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Joanne Oa Shakun talks to him when they're in the casino.

446
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Do you remember he says, can you stand somewhere else you're

447
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boring me now?

448
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And that's because she's right.

449
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She guesses what his problem is, we don't know, but Joanne works

450
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it out this episode.

451
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You just love somebody like that on the Enterprise in Nani's

452
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Trek.

453
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Will you stand over there, please?

454
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You are boring me. yeah I do like that about discovery.

455
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You have these very curt, very blunt characters like this.

456
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Yeah, yeah.

457
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Well, and this, so he's obnoxious.

458
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Do you know what I mean?

459
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Because he's the smartest man in the room and he was, he was

460
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working for Asira, I think.

461
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So we did see him as far back as the end of series 3 when we

462
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watched the, you know, that episode.

463
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Um, And so all this conversation seems to be about the fact that

464
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we don't have any isolenium.

465
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Is that what we're using?

466
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I think that's Al McGuffin.

467
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It's a sort of subgenre of dilithium, you know?

468
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

469
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Yeah.

470
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And it is going to run the bomb.

471
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So we have to get the isolenium.

472
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And so he's sexy Admiral Vance. here to tell Michael.

473
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

474
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And this is the thing that book doesn't predict. look at the

475
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lighting here.

476
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It's so good.

477
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It is great.

478
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But it is still a lot of talk.

479
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

480
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Yeah, yeah.

481
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But I'm just, remember, this is a show that gave us a 15 minute

482
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sequence between Burnham and that fabulous green woman at the end

483
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of series 2, fighting, non-starfighting.

484
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They can do it.

485
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Yeah, they'll be action.

486
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There'll be action, but that's not what this episode, it's for.

487
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In this?

488
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There's not any action in this, is there?

489
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Not really.

490
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I mean, there's there's Joanna wailing on that hot guy.

491
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Oh yeah, that is a great scene.

492
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I love, I love, I don't know why.

493
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I don't know what this means.

494
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I just love in fiction watching women beat up, man.

495
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It's great.

496
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Well, in fact, that's one of the things that I think this show

497
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does really well.

498
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And one of the most shocking moments, I think, for me is in season

499
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one where they're in the turbo lift and they're on the person that

500
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she's with in the turbo lift, a man.

501
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I think is someone that she served under or was served with on the

502
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.640
Shenzhou, but someone that she recognises a nose immediately, even

503
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.220
though he's the mirror universe counterpart, and she has to kill

504
00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:47.519
him.

505
00:22:47.579 --> 00:22:49.740
She has to fight him to the death in the turbo lift.

506
00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:51.240
And it's really visceral.

507
00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.359
And just the fact that having a man fight a woman like that would

508
00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:56.039
be absolutely unthinkable.

509
00:22:56.099 --> 00:23:01.200
Even in 90s Star Trek, the only example I can think of is um, 7

510
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:02.940
hitting, hitting the rock.

511
00:23:03.299 --> 00:23:06.779
Um, no, Kira beats up loads of men.

512
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:07.980
She beats up Tamar.

513
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:12.359
She, she beats up um, uh, Rossot.

514
00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:14.519
Do you remember in the last 10 episodes?

515
00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:15.480
Oh, yeah, yeah.

516
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:21.359
But it's never quite as visceral and bloody as this version.

517
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:24.000
Just go the other way, though, as well, because my most shocking

518
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.119
moment in series one is where that dreadful Tory from Battlestar

519
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:28.140
Galactica got eaten.

520
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:29.339
Do you remember?

521
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:30.180
was so great.

522
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.099
I mean, she was a terrible character.

523
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.420
She deserved to be Ian.

524
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:34.740
Yeah, she was awful.

525
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.400
Everyone on discovery when we 1st arrived on discovery.

526
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:40.079
Paul is an asshole.

527
00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:41.160
She's horrible.

528
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:43.740
Like, locker is kind of a weirdo.

529
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:48.119
It's, uh, it's a horrible place. can I make a point once again

530
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:49.500
about the talkiness?

531
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.920
I've got a point here, though, is that now I can't hear the

532
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:53.819
dialogue, yeah?

533
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:59.640
All I'm seeing visually is a lot of people standing around...

534
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:02.519
Yeah, that is 90s trek.

535
00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:05.579
I mean, that is what we've been doing for the last few weeks.

536
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

537
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:07.920
Yeah.

538
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:08.460
Yeah.

539
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:12.720
And actually, talking about, you know, the very violent moments in

540
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:13.859
series one.

541
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:18.180
I prefer this version of discovery before I want to caveat that

542
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.640
but it's sort of, it's lost that age, hasn't it?

543
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:21.000
A little bit.

544
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:21.779
I agree.

545
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:22.500
Yeah.

546
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:23.400
Yeah.

547
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:28.799
I liked, I, I was unhappy with some of the decisions that they

548
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:31.920
walked back at the beginning of series 2 and they were the

549
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:32.519
swearing.

550
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.460
I like the swearing on Star Trek because it makes them seem less

551
00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:36.480
like space people.

552
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.819
And I liked the gore a bit more because it was a little bit more

553
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:45.960
visceral and moved away from the daytime TV thing. special

554
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:46.980
occasions now, don't they?

555
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:48.960
Like the end of last episode.

556
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:51.900
There was one last fuck as well, I swear, in Picard.

557
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.180
Oh, picant?

558
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:54.599
Yeah.

559
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:55.259
Do you remember?

560
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.220
Yeah, yeah, they gave him to, he got the chance to say fuckers

561
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.359
Picard once just before.

562
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.019
Patrick was like, please, just let me do it one time.

563
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:05.700
Can I just?

564
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.480
These titles and this music.

565
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:10.859
Holy crap.

566
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.339
And the closing music this week was really good as well.

567
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.700
They do different versions of the theme.

568
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:18.660
Here we go.

569
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.559
Here's another scene, we're standing around, but it is

570
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:23.339
illustrated.

571
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.660
It is, yes.

572
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.079
And it is our crew.

573
00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:31.140
It's Stamitz, Saru, and Burnham, who I really like at this point.

574
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.859
It did take me a long time to come around, but I do really like

575
00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:35.400
it.

576
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:36.480
Oh, Stamitz was horrible.

577
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.220
No, no, no, no.

578
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.779
Oh, I love it.

579
00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:41.279
I always love Savage, in fact.

580
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.559
The more of a prick is, the more I like it.

581
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:50.339
But there's a scene coming up where, you know, the 2 of them where

582
00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:54.480
Michael and Saru are just together and he says, you know, make

583
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:55.380
sure you're okay.

584
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:56.880
He goes above everything.

585
00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:57.720
Yes.

586
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:58.799
Be careful.

587
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:00.420
Yeah.

588
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.559
He's so good.

589
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.660
He should have stayed as captain.

590
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.839
I think he's the best captain in Star Trek history.

591
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.980
Because he's not...

592
00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:08.880
He didn't have long, did he?

593
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.420
No, he only had that year instead of acting captain.

594
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.960
And obviously, if Michael's the main character, you kind of have

595
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.160
to make her the captain, I guess.

596
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:19.440
I think we've hit on something there, you know, because that's

597
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.920
another thing that's sort of been fluidic about this show is who's

598
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.400
in charge.

599
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:27.960
I think that might be one of the central issues with that corner

600
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.680
of such a fantom that don't like this, is that they're so, they're

601
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:36.359
so built around the 90s trek model of that's our crew and it

602
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.220
should be Stanley episodes and all that.

603
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.380
And just don't obey none of those rules at all.

604
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:46.079
Even compared to even compared to the other Kurtzman shows, though

605
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.019
which generally stick to the main characters.

606
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:51.420
This is something completely different.

607
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.920
Well, characters move in and out of the show all the time and

608
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.759
and...

609
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:00.180
Yeah.

610
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.579
Well, when it started, well, it's the one that's experimental.

611
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.019
It's the one that's trying something.

612
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:05.640
DS9 encouragement, isn't it?

613
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.779
Yeah, yeah.

614
00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:11.759
Strange New Worlds is brilliant and often better than this.

615
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.180
But it's not more, it's not...

616
00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:18.000
It's ambitious. experimental well.

617
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:21.960
It's done the crossover and it did the musical and it's doing the

618
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.500
gone.

619
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.240
It does things that are surprising.

620
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:27.119
But those are things that he's good.

621
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.640
I mean, in terms of Star Trek, this is the most ambitious.

622
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.240
Yeah.

623
00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:32.220
Or maybe the most unusual.

624
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.380
Yeah, yeah.

625
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:39.900
But because it's kind of making its mistakes in, you know, like in

626
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:45.180
public in all sorts of ways. some experience of that myself, you

627
00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:45.420
know.

628
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

629
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:51.720
So I'm looking forward to seeing what they finally bed down to.

630
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:53.819
If it's what you're saying.

631
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.220
We can see it's a long heist.

632
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.500
You know, that would be amazing. they're going to be awesome.

633
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.079
We've basically just got to have fun because it's the last year.

634
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:01.680
This is great.

635
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:02.700
Yeah, this is wonderful.

636
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:03.900
It's so good.

637
00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:05.759
And look how good, isn't it?

638
00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:07.259
Yeah, yeah.

639
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.019
Like, under that latex as well.

640
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.279
And look what they've done.

641
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:15.240
The latex is much more expressive than the 90s latex.

642
00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:21.660
It gives him more scope to move his facial features than, say

643
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:23.880
Renee ever God.

644
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:25.619
And he really uses it.

645
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.759
I think he's really good.

646
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:30.900
I got very confused here because I'm currently watching neighbours

647
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:33.180
as well, where one of the main characters is called Haz.

648
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:39.240
So I thought Maz Canata, who runs the bar in The Force Awakens, was

649
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.000
who I thought of, but has Mazaro here.

650
00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:44.460
It's called a karma barge.

651
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.420
And I think the 2nd time we hear that, someone goes, oh, like

652
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:49.740
karma barge, really?

653
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:50.400
Like what?

654
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:55.019
And listen to the way that has speaks all the way through this

655
00:28:55.019 --> 00:29:00.059
episode, it's magic. talks are so funny. those wrinkly looking

656
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:00.779
Ferengis.

657
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.940
What the hell are they done to the design?

658
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:03.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.359
Do you know, do you remember when we watched alliances in a series

660
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.740
2 Voyager?

661
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.119
And they went to that bar.

662
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.980
It was lit just like this.

663
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:12.299
What sort of yellow lighting?

664
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:12.779
Yeah.

665
00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:13.920
Yeah.

666
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:17.579
It is very kind of standard, isn't it?

667
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:18.960
It's obviously a bigger set.

668
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:23.279
And I do, I like the, the, the, the, WWE fighter.

669
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:24.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

670
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.460
But yeah, I don't know.

671
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.460
It could be a bit more exotic, I think, than it is.

672
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.500
It's it is a bit standard, I think.

674
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.839
It's a bit starter-sy, right?

675
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:38.640
This man in his latex.

676
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.619
So yeah, this is like, this is, and I love that where he just

677
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.839
opens his arms and the things appear.

678
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:49.980
Like you can do magic now because it's the 32nd century and I love

679
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:50.460
all of that.

680
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:54.299
And I think this, like, this makeup has to stand up to high

681
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:57.480
definition and pretty serious close-ups and stuff.

682
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.339
And they're only using it the once.

683
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.779
I think it is.

684
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:02.220
There's been a lot of latex though.

685
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.079
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

686
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.299
He looks a bit like the fella from in the pale moonlight.

687
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.240
He looks a bit like a prey and mantis's head. the way it sort of

688
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.160
goes out like that. don't know.

689
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:16.140
Again, that weird thing where they say his filters were taken, book

690
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:19.619
books excuse for Taka's behaviour is that his filters were taken

691
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:24.059
by cognition pirates, and you kind of go, what the fuck is that?

692
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.220
That just sounds incredibly weird and awesome.

693
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.920
Cognition pirates.

694
00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:32.039
Yeah, I know what a cognition pirate.

695
00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:34.799
That's a story now, I think, you know.

696
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:42.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's pretty great I like the fact that he says

697
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.720
to book, you know, I'll give you what you want, but it's got to

698
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:46.740
cost you a lot more than that.

699
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.500
And then Michael comes along and he goes, I'll give you what you

700
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.240
want, but it's going to cost you.

701
00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:54.119
You know he's literally every single person, isn't he?

702
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:55.140
Yeah.

703
00:30:55.859 --> 00:31:02.759
And so now we have the old score to settle, which, um, so, oh

704
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:03.420
that's...

705
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.019
This as well.

706
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.880
That is so 90s straight.

707
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:08.579
That's so TNG going into a bar and going, oh, yeah.

708
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.599
I've heard last time I've said it with you. yeah this guy might

709
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:12.900
not.

710
00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:18.539
And so what it was, and it actually matters because it reminds us

711
00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:19.980
of what he's doing here.

712
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:25.799
So, you remember we saw him and he had transworms in his, in his

713
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.759
ship, way back at the beginning of series one and he was rescuing

714
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.220
these sort of ugly worms and then bringing them to his planet

715
00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.799
Quajon to live in a sanctuary.

716
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:39.299
And this guy was dealing those worms and and Booker beat the shit

717
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.579
out of him and stole them, stole them back.

718
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.079
And that's what the thing is.

719
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.339
And remember that, that he was trying to save them when we 1st see

720
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:49.920
him, he's saving animals in a sanctuary.

721
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.079
And now, what does he want to do?

722
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:54.900
He wants to prevent the DMA from killing any more people.

723
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:56.160
Do you know what I mean?

724
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:57.900
It's the same kind of thing.

725
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.700
So it's a, see this jab a Brussel fly, and I'll scoot some green

726
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.619
bread, and you can't say, wait, what?

727
00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:06.839
You know, like everything that he says.

728
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:10.500
He says something about his, like, a Cardassian who's missing the

729
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.640
cake or something.

730
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:12.720
Like it's like, what?

731
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.380
Those special effects shot of them go through this vortex.

732
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.259
It looks like it's jumped straight out of the motion picture

733
00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:19.680
doesn't it?

734
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:21.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

735
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:24.240
But it, it's so, but it looks like a, look.

736
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.160
I mean how much more animated it is.

737
00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:30.779
Yeah, than those gentle things that go past the window in Star

738
00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:31.440
Trek, the Next Generation.

739
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.480
Well, and we'd be bumping around a bit, wouldn't they?

740
00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:34.440
They be shaking the set.

741
00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:36.960
Yeah, that set is so stunning.

742
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:40.140
Like, that's the great thing that midway through.

743
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.119
They decide, screw it.

744
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:45.900
We going to make the federation look completely different now and

745
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:47.519
they really sell it.

746
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.660
I mean, it looks so good.

747
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:52.980
I like the why that, you know, all the sort of federation sets.

748
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.000
It's a sort of clinical white, which then they light

749
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:57.660
interestingly.

750
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:01.619
Because I think things got a bit, a bit dark words.

751
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.240
Remember how gray they got in Enterprise.

752
00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:05.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.740
But even the lighting's quite dim on the bridge of discovery as

754
00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:09.900
well.

755
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:11.640
This shuttle going across the water.

756
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:13.140
And you've got the...

757
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:13.799
It doesn't look great.

758
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.779
Dragging in the distance or whatever.

759
00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:17.279
Jumping out of that.

760
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.140
I just thought, oh, that's the same monster.

761
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.000
I'd forgotten there's a same monster, miss.

762
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:21.420
What is it?

763
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.519
I think that could be a murker, you know.

764
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.960
And then the shuttle goes straight down the hologrammatic mouth.

765
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.039
In its mouth.

766
00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:35.339
And you know, like, I'm being critical about how this looks.

767
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.460
That is the most visually interesting thing, I think, in the whole

768
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:38.700
episode.

769
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:40.079
Yeah, it looks great.

770
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:41.400
So good.

771
00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:46.740
But remember, she goes karma barge. you know, why is it so stupid

772
00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:50.819
but we already kind of know that because we've heard Maz talk and

773
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.039
just how sort of strange and weird he is.

774
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:56.460
I think it's really funny how they put in sort of your stock Star

775
00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:58.140
Trek aliens into this casino.

776
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.859
You have got an Andorian in there and a Ferengi, but they can't be

777
00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:03.240
asked to make up everybody.

778
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:04.619
So some people are wearing cloaks.

779
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.900
Some people have caught things over their mouth.

780
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:07.920
They can't afford it.

781
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:08.579
Yeah, that's right.

782
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:09.059
That's right.

783
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.420
We need to save some money for the rest of the season.

784
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:16.199
I love how he greets her.

785
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.059
So her nickname is right hook.

786
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.480
He's glowworm, she's right hook. she does get to punch someone in

787
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.920
the face later, which is pretty great.

788
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:25.380
And when she's around the poker table.

789
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.360
It's as fun as she has ever been.

790
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:30.780
I like her when she pull her away from Starfleet a bit and all

791
00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:35.579
that sort of seriousness and just let her be a person doing things

792
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:36.239
her own way.

793
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:37.320
She's great fun.

794
00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:40.320
It was the curse of series 2 when they discovered that she could

795
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.119
really act and really sell emotion.

796
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:45.719
They just decided, oh, now it's my mother and now it's this, and

797
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.780
you know, I believe there was a rewrite on one episode, but hang

798
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:53.579
on, you haven't put in the scene where C Club stares off camera.

799
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.059
Come on now.

800
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:55.860
There you go.

801
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.260
I've missed you like a Cardassian Mrs. Cake.

802
00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.280
What is that?

803
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:03.119
I don't know, but apparently Cardassians like cake.

804
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:04.260
It's Canon.

805
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:05.519
In the future, maybe.

806
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.679
Give a man a tour back and you're warm in the desert, he says.

807
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:14.760
Like just all of these sayings are so ridiculous.

808
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:16.320
So fantastic.

809
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.599
He is he is a fun character.

810
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:21.239
But these scenes are sort of a lot of nothing, aren't they?

811
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.000
Like we're getting to we are still getting to the place where we

813
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.320
need to get it, aren't we?

814
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:31.500
And he, he's a, yeah.

815
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.500
Yeah, it's very cool watching her, you know, beating that guy up

816
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:35.099
in the ring.

817
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.360
But again, that's we're just sort of slowly moving this on to

818
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:39.900
where we...

819
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.780
That's a very odd sequence.

820
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:47.460
Like it's an action sequence and there's... fights are cheap.

821
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.000
Fist fights are cheap to realise as far as action goes.

822
00:35:51.059 --> 00:35:53.219
And so maybe we're doing it for that reason.

823
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:55.739
I might have sat down in the writer's room and gone. a lot of talk

824
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:56.099
here.

825
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:57.900
We need some action Yeah, yeah.

826
00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:58.559
What are we going to do?

827
00:35:58.619 --> 00:35:59.460
Well, she's there.

828
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:00.960
Why don't we just have a...

829
00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:04.260
Do we know Joanna something to do?

830
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:04.980
Yeah, exactly.

831
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:09.719
I don't know what they're talking about here.

832
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:13.079
I can't remember, but Oo has, there was something.

833
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:16.980
I like the very relaxed chemistry between those 2 actresses.

834
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:17.940
Yeah.

835
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.639
Well, I just like the very relaxed chemistry between all the crew

836
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:20.880
now.

837
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

838
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:28.079
It's a thing that we never had before except on Deep Space 9 and

839
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:29.460
now it's the new normal.

840
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.360
Look what they do, really.

841
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:32.699
They doing all the things they don't do in 90s trek. some dry ice

842
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:36.300
pumping around the set. and they've got windows with light coming

843
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:37.679
in, you know?

844
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:38.460
Yep, yep.

845
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:39.599
Yep.

846
00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:45.300
And it, and so that, is that a Zindia insectoid?

847
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.900
You could probably give it that reading.

848
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.320
I don't think they look like that, but in the future, maybe.

849
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:55.260
Oh, they had much bigger eyes, didn't they?

850
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.940
They had like big fly eyes.

851
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.860
This isn't sort of the most canteen-ish Star Trek scene we've ever

852
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:03.719
seen because I think they have done better.

853
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:06.960
But it's enough. there's enough here Yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:07.559
Yeah, yeah.

855
00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:10.619
So here, look, so here we actually made.

856
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.440
And we get the scene that we never thought we would get to have.

857
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.760
And this, you know, like we just...

858
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.039
How did you find me?

859
00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:22.019
Like, you're kidding me, right?

860
00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:25.139
Like you're really asking that?

861
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.599
And I ask you a question about how attractive people are in

862
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.440
Kersman Trick.

863
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.400
Oh, because is it that they are more attractive than the people

864
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.719
that are in 90s trek?

865
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:40.260
Or, as in this scene, is it that they just like them in such a

866
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:43.139
spectacular way that they look even more beautiful?

867
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.659
Oh, both, I think.

868
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:46.980
Look how he's lit there.

869
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

870
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:50.159
It's just beautiful.

871
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:52.440
Just, yeah, yeah.

872
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:57.840
I think, like, I think it has become more important in the last 30

873
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.019
years for people on TV to be pretty.

874
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:02.039
Don't you think?

875
00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:03.659
It's kind of a shame, isn't it?

876
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.059
It's a shame because I feel like we were...

877
00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:08.400
But we recall a bit if they're not attractive people all the

878
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:08.699
time.

879
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.579
When I'm on tell, when I'm watching telly.

880
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:13.139
There are people with talent.

881
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.219
There are run of tracks here.

882
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.739
Don't wash Downton Abbey then. in a lot of trouble, yeah.

883
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.400
No, but I'm super happy to see that everyone on Star Trek is very

884
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:28.019
attractive now and that's a good thing and gosh, David Ajala is so

885
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:28.199
pretty.

886
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:30.840
And I'm not throwing shade when I say this.

887
00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:34.559
That's why I really liked Tilly, who I don't think is

888
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.340
unattractive.

889
00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:39.659
But she's not a supermodel and she is overweight.

890
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.820
And I think that's really refreshing to say.

891
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.320
No, I agree.

892
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:45.599
She's still kick arse and beautiful, you know.

893
00:38:45.659 --> 00:38:47.340
And she was normal.

894
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.800
She was like a normal, real person that you might know.

895
00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:53.400
That seems, remember, in the Harry Mudd episode where she's at the

896
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.639
party and she's got the boobs and she's like, come on, everybody.

897
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:59.039
She likes soldiers now.

898
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:01.500
We always get illusions to that.

899
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:03.659
Picard was a rebel when as a kid.

900
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.380
Cisco and Curzon, but we never actually see it in 90s.

901
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:07.679
No.

902
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

903
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:09.539
Yeah.

904
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.039
So, so she's not been able to persuade him.

905
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:18.000
And now she's trying to, I'm a Banta tree either way.

906
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:18.719
What exactly?

907
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:25.500
The thing is that because of the way the conversation goes, you

908
00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:26.820
understand exactly what he says.

909
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.019
You know what I mean?

910
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.500
Like, there's nothing you're never there really going, oh, like

911
00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:32.039
what does that mean?

912
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:34.920
It's not in context, absolutely.

913
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.119
I don't know what they're called.

914
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.639
Tamarian, Darmokian from Lower Decks.

915
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.739
Talks only in metaphor.

916
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.900
Yeah, that's hilarious.

917
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:46.139
So look at this hot guy.

918
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:47.519
Now, he's not a wrestler.

919
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:50.820
The guy who's credited, he's actually not credited, but he's

920
00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:54.780
called beefy guy, the bodyguard who...

921
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.599
Yeah, beefy guy is the bodyguard.

922
00:39:57.659 --> 00:39:58.320
It's robot.

923
00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.519
That comes into that.

924
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.360
This is great fun.

925
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:00.960
It's a dot.

926
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:01.500
Yeah.

927
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.099
He's just trying to polish the place.

928
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.900
But do you notice that go back to your dock or whatever?

929
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.699
Like it's a room bar?

930
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.679
I've got to say, you know, like the last episode, this was

931
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.719
probably my favourite scene in the episode.

932
00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:21.360
I'm really invested in this pair of characters.

933
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:25.980
I think, I think, you know, it's sort of where, wherever your

934
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:28.079
investment is, that's where your heart is in the episode.

935
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.000
Yeah.

936
00:40:30.059 --> 00:40:32.039
Well, I the thing that I really like.

937
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.059
So this is, again, just retelling us what happened last, like, 6

938
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:39.840
weeks ago with COVID, but this thing where he says, I'm

939
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.079
responsible for the psychological and emotional health of everyone

940
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:47.760
on board this ship, and Paul goes, you've got to be kidding.

941
00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:49.559
Like, is that, is that?

942
00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:51.659
Is that what you think?

943
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.900
That's what I say to her, Rory Dax, you know, when she takes the

944
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:55.739
job as counsellor.

945
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.960
Cisco goes, I want you to take a good look around this room.

946
00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:01.260
You've just agreed to take on the psychological problems of

947
00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:01.739
everyone.

948
00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:06.420
That's right It's a point worth making.

949
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.840
But I mean, this scene doesn't really have anything to do with the

950
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.159
rest of the episode, does it?

951
00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:13.860
It is just here to give huge...

952
00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:17.519
I love about the characters, though, is this just isn't stressed

953
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.840
as a gay relationship.

954
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:23.219
It is a normal relationship that just happens to be between 2 men

955
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:24.539
going for all those things.

956
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.059
And even today in television.

957
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.860
I think they still stress. the word gay, you know?

958
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.099
And it's just the way it's normalised here in Star Trek.

959
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.199
Again, I think it's another reason why people have issues with

960
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:37.559
this show.

961
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:38.820
Yeah.

962
00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:42.719
Well, and like we just said, Gray and Adira get mentioned, Gray is

963
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.920
back on trill, you know, um, Is Adira around?

964
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:47.820
I can't even remember.

965
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.840
But this, I love this, let's be terrified together.

966
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:52.800
Yeah that's great.

967
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.480
And now we're going off to the holiday deck to go for a walk in a

968
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.860
flower meadow and like...

969
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:03.659
This basically is TNG now, isn't it?

970
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:05.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

971
00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:12.179
And look, I just...

972
00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:14.820
In fact, remember how we...

973
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:17.639
We always make the Discovery DS9 parallels.

974
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:20.880
Yeah, like the 2 black sheep of their iterations of Star Trek.

975
00:42:20.940 --> 00:42:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

976
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:23.880
Cold War is the wayon of discovery.

977
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:25.619
Oh, no, we've killed him off.

978
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.380
That was a terrible mistake. him back.

979
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.340
And now the dot, now that these bastards have gone, now the dot

980
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:33.599
can get on with his vacuuming.

981
00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:34.260
There's more on.

982
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.760
Is that Mark Shepherd?

983
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:36.599
Mark Anna Shepard.

984
00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:38.639
No, I don't know.

985
00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:45.539
We have had one of his races well in series 3 episode one, I

986
00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:45.780
think.

987
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.360
Oh, no, isn't there a load of them in an action sequence?

988
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:50.340
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

989
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.880
I like the idea that there's always a mourn propping up a bar.

990
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:55.079
Yeah.

991
00:42:55.139 --> 00:43:00.840
But like Joanne and Michael just together touching heads and stuff

992
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.860
you know, there's there is just real love in this crew, which I

993
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:05.699
think is so great.

994
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:10.079
I'm going to make an unfavourable comparison to Voyager, though

995
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.980
now, I'm afraid, because it looks so much more interesting than

996
00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:14.639
can't see.

997
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.280
Because they literally, they run up the walls.

998
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.239
When did you last watch?

999
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.960
They run up the walls and they've got crazy lighting going on in

1000
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:22.739
some car seat.

1001
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.900
This is just a box standard boxing ring.

1002
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.860
Yeah, I know, but it is beautifully shot, though, and beautifully

1003
00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:30.300
lit. beautiful people, isn't it?

1004
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.320
And holy crap. shit out of him.

1005
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.300
He really thinks he's got the better of her as well, doesn't he?

1006
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.340
Look, he picks her up for his head.

1007
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.340
Yeah, yeah, no, she loses instantly.

1008
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.320
Like, he picks her up and then drops her.

1009
00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:50.159
There's no rules, but if you land on the ground, and she's she's

1010
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.300
kind of okay.

1011
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.579
Like, she's up pretty quick, I think.

1012
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.340
They should have done what they did in Suncastle.

1013
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:57.300
You know, when they brought in the rock.

1014
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.679
They should have had a like a real sports announcer from now.

1015
00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:05.460
So he's cur.

1016
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.079
He's not a boxer.

1017
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.599
He must be an underwear model or something.

1018
00:44:09.659 --> 00:44:09.960
Look at him.

1019
00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:11.280
I mean, for God's sake.

1020
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.199
Wow.

1021
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.639
They do have some insanely hot man in discovery.

1022
00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:19.260
Look at him.

1023
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.059
Look at him smiling and laughing at him.

1024
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.420
I don't care about saying it because I know there's that

1025
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:27.179
demographic definitely listens to this podcast.

1026
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1027
00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:29.940
But look, look, there, there.

1028
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.460
You've got some proper aliens there with sort of rubber heads and

1029
00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:37.019
stuff, not just latex guys, but like proper Star Wars aliens, which

1030
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:38.400
we're finally starting to get.

1031
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.780
But we still haven't quite got to the point.

1032
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.179
No, no.

1033
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

1034
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.219
They keep focussing on that one that blinks.

1035
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.320
He blinks.

1036
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.099
Get him in shot.

1037
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:56.460
But isn't that because he's the changeling?

1038
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.639
Yeah, oh, that, no, sorry.

1039
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:01.739
Actually, that's the other moment, which I thought was visually

1040
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:02.039
great.

1041
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.159
Shriveler becomes a changeling is great.

1042
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1043
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:12.059
So we said when we saw Amanda Plummer and the and the changeling

1044
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:17.219
in that episode in the worst no win scenario episode of Picard

1045
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:21.239
that what they went for is that the, in their natural form, the

1046
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.719
change things are kind of raw chicken meat.

1047
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:27.000
But that's not what we do here, is it?

1048
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.480
What we do is they're kind of like particles that reform.

1049
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:33.599
Like it's a, it's a different effect, a different way of looking

1050
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.199
at them.

1051
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:38.219
But I liked that they were here because, you know, this is the

1052
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:39.239
32nd century.

1053
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:41.460
It's so great, isn't it?

1054
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:44.699
They can take all these established races, but make up their own

1055
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:45.119
rules.

1056
00:45:45.179 --> 00:45:47.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:47.820
It's so fun.

1058
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.219
I'm going to make a comparison again.

1059
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.119
I know I do this a lot.

1060
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:53.940
Even when we watched Batterbag, Batterbag, and that camera was

1061
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:55.320
swooping about all over the place.

1062
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:58.199
And we were going, my God, some energy and excitement.

1063
00:45:58.260 --> 00:45:58.860
Yeah.

1064
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:00.239
I saw I'm missing here.

1065
00:46:00.300 --> 00:46:02.519
And that's unusual for discovery.

1066
00:46:02.579 --> 00:46:06.059
You know, Jonathan Frakes usually has a drone zooming about the

1067
00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:06.300
place.

1068
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.159
Where's the drone?

1069
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.699
This is this is not shot like 90s trek at all.

1070
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.719
Like, there's no shot here that you would have done on 90s track.

1071
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:16.679
Just look at how...

1072
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.260
But it doesn't...

1073
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.860
Yeah, maybe that's right.

1074
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:23.760
Maybe it takes a while.

1075
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:25.320
I'm afraid to direct this one.

1076
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.539
Yeah, yeah.

1077
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.199
Yeah, yeah.

1078
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:30.119
Yeah. some more Latinum.

1079
00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:33.239
I think before we start in production, Jonathan break goes, wow

1080
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.639
what is the latest technology we've got to shoot things.

1081
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:36.900
I'm using Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:38.820
Have you got more drones for me?

1083
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:40.079
If you're more drones for me.

1084
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:43.380
Someone should teach you to quit. someone should teach your friend

1085
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:43.980
some manners.

1086
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.179
That's great.

1087
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:46.739
And he's laughing.

1088
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.260
Well, and being pretty and he's got an ugly, ugly manager.

1090
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.219
So there you go.

1091
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.440
Um, there's that.

1092
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.199
Look at her, look how confident she is.

1093
00:46:58.260 --> 00:46:59.219
So wonderful.

1094
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:03.539
She is something very hot about strong, confident women, isn't

1095
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:03.719
it?

1096
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:06.960
Yeah, yeah, and she's super sweaty, and now she's just going for

1097
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.059
his dick, and that's just kind of...

1098
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:15.420
How to emasculate a man in 2 seconds. the face, Joanne. just leave

1099
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:21.420
the face I'll nurse his wings as long as you don't know his face.

1100
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.019
Oh, she just kicked him.

1101
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:26.940
She kicked him right in the nose.

1102
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.400
Have you ever been kicked in the nose?

1103
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:30.360
It is agonising.

1104
00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1105
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.300
Yeah, punching the throat.

1106
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:33.900
There we go.

1107
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.820
And down he goes.

1108
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.599
On you, Joe. I'm going to throw in a top 2 reference here.

1109
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:42.239
Are you getting Zoe on the carcass vibes out of this?

1110
00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:45.840
No, it's Joanne.

1111
00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:46.679
Oh, wo.

1112
00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:47.639
Oh, wow.

1113
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:48.900
Oh, wokus sagoon.

1114
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:49.679
I can't even say that.

1115
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:50.519
No.

1116
00:47:50.579 --> 00:47:51.000
Oh, wow.

1117
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:53.400
It's what I should be showering.

1118
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:55.260
They're so gorgeous.

1119
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:56.280
That's wonderful.

1120
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.380
Yeah, that was fun.

1121
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.239
That's what this episode needed.

1122
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:01.380
I can see why it's there.

1123
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.840
Yeah, that's clearly why it's there because I was kind of

1124
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.659
wondering why does no character thing happen.

1125
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.920
This woman is wonderful.

1126
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:09.480
She's so deadpad, isn't she?

1127
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:12.900
And like she's got a giant tray of latinum and she says, do you

1128
00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:14.039
want a bag because there's more?

1129
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.400
She's like, I've got 3 lines.

1130
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:18.539
I'm going to make him count.

1131
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:20.880
Yeah, yeah, she really does sell it.

1132
00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:21.539
She's awesome.

1133
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.699
That, I want one of those knives.

1134
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.519
I don't really, because I don't want to stab anyone, but like the

1135
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.480
knife that just appears in your hand via, yeah, here we go.

1136
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.280
Right hook.

1137
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:33.719
Here we go.

1138
00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:37.139
Right hook, Captain right hook of Starfleet.

1139
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:43.380
But they help one another, and now, so she, so he helps her.

1140
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.960
Now she's going to rush off and help him.

1141
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:50.519
So they're here competing to get the money for the isolenium, but

1142
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.000
they can't stop helping one another because they work so well

1143
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:54.300
together.

1144
00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:56.460
The effects are changing now.

1145
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.099
It's basically like sand, isn't it, falling?

1146
00:48:59.219 --> 00:48:59.940
It like sand.

1147
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:00.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1148
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:02.699
But look, she's got an Odo face.

1149
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.260
Look, look, look.

1150
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:04.559
Yeah.

1151
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:05.519
Yeah.

1152
00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:09.179
I like the fact that that's a bit throw away.

1153
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.460
That's not what this episode is about, but you do see it changing

1154
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:11.820
isn't it?

1155
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:12.719
It's just a nice detail.

1156
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1157
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:17.820
I mean, they did it better in Picard series 3, obviously.

1158
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.079
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1159
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:20.159
Well, they probably...

1160
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.199
Happiness, Amanda Plummer.

1161
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:24.000
I know. good.

1162
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.059
Oh, isolenium.

1163
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:27.780
I know.

1164
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1165
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.599
But it is a, you know, like it's a McGuffin.

1166
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:34.320
Do you know what I mean?

1167
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.619
And Jesus Christ, if I was criticising that, I would never watch

1168
00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:38.639
Star Trek ever.

1169
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.980
Star Trek again, they're all...

1170
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.300
That's basically why they go.

1171
00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:46.079
And so now we have.

1172
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:46.920
Did you see that line?

1173
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:49.440
He goes, yes, well, now that's done, you can get back to your

1174
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:50.519
relationship, whatnot.

1175
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.260
What not?

1176
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.840
That's pretty great, isn't it?

1178
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.900
And so here is where it climaxes.

1179
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:07.019
And we, they still can't stop helping one another, even at this

1180
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:08.760
point when they're up against one another.

1181
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:09.420
They're in love.

1182
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:10.739
It's winner takes all.

1183
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.340
Yeah.

1184
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.119
But also not just that they're in love, but they work so well

1185
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.300
together on the, you know, it's the natural state.

1186
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.800
They just fall into this thing after years of experience or more

1187
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.639
than a year's experience.

1188
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:27.059
There's a good, strong, dragic idea to take this relationship that

1189
00:50:27.059 --> 00:50:29.460
works like gangbusters and then put something...

1190
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:32.219
That's what you know, which they cannot reconcile about.

1191
00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:33.360
Yeah, that's a good idea.

1192
00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:34.320
It's a good strong idea.

1193
00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.239
I'm not sure.

1194
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.840
I would have sacrificed an entire episode to get to this point, but

1195
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:40.619
it's a good idea.

1196
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.960
Well, I've been having fun.

1197
00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:43.800
Do you know what I mean?

1198
00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:44.760
It does look pretty.

1199
00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:46.019
I'm sort of happy.

1200
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.099
These miserable bastards as well, they get no lines.

1201
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:57.239
We can't pay for them to talk and they're, what are they doing?

1202
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:03.480
They, um, they, they, they're members of the, uh...

1203
00:51:03.539 --> 00:51:05.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1204
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:05.940
Yeah, yeah.

1205
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.619
Oh, isolenium.

1206
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.960
How many times shall I say that word in this episode?

1207
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.539
Oh, yeah, well, it is the McGuffin.

1208
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.780
So it's the thing that powers the bomb, of course, and she only

1209
00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:20.639
wants it so that he can't get it.

1210
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:22.559
Um, is the idea.

1211
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:24.239
Is there not much of it about then?

1212
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:26.219
Yeah.

1213
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:27.000
Yeah.

1214
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:30.900
And so this, Schaefer colony.

1215
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.239
And there's a really funny story.

1216
00:51:33.300 --> 00:51:36.780
She tells the story of what happened in Schaefer Colony and she

1217
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:39.480
says, I knew a man on Schaefer Colony and he got involved in a

1218
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.619
poker game and he lost and he had to walk home in the emperor's

1219
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:44.519
new clothes.

1220
00:51:44.579 --> 00:51:47.460
And that's the point at which we realised she's actually talking

1221
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:52.320
about book, having to walk home naked from a poker game, and she

1222
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.599
says, not that anyone was complaining.

1223
00:51:56.340 --> 00:52:00.239
Now that's how you do those sort of dialogue scenes and stuff.

1224
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.460
Yeah, so it's, it's, you know, introduced here and then it's

1225
00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:05.880
settled.

1226
00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:09.780
So this scene here is the scene where she does the thing.

1227
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.199
This is where she wins because she knows that she can't beat

1228
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:14.340
Booker at poker.

1229
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.940
Like it's something stupid poker, is it?

1230
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.880
Leonard Poker or something like space poker.

1231
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:23.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1232
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.039
So she can't win, but she can do this.

1233
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:29.760
And so she's put a thing, a technology that's already been

1234
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.539
established.

1235
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.699
She puts a little thing on the isolenium so that she can now track

1236
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:36.480
booker.

1237
00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:42.059
So even though she doesn't leave with him, she does actually find

1238
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:44.460
him and make there be a way of finding him.

1239
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:48.840
She's doing the Penny Johnson thing from Banabang here at the

1240
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:53.280
poker table where she's just relaxing into this role and loving

1241
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:53.579
it.

1242
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.380
She's really funny.

1243
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:55.920
Really?

1244
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.280
Really?

1245
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:57.480
Really?

1246
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:59.219
Did you hear?

1247
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.019
Did you hear what has said a minute ago as well?

1248
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:01.679
It goes, oh, no.

1249
00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:03.059
I've never been much for love.

1250
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.579
I do hope it works out between the 2 of you.

1251
00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:11.219
I feel like that that sort of character, but they've lost now

1252
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:11.699
haven't they?

1253
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.260
It's the Shaw show. the Tilly.

1254
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.360
It's the person that sort of cuts to the chase.

1255
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:16.679
Yeah.

1256
00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:20.579
I think this is a good guess character to have involved. they're

1257
00:53:20.579 --> 00:53:22.199
all back in series series 5, are they?

1258
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:25.800
I don't know whether Giorgio is, but I think Tilly is probably

1259
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.019
back, at least for some of her.

1260
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:29.099
At least, you know, turn up.

1261
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:29.400
Yeah.

1262
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:32.340
Look how much fun she's having.

1263
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.039
But I mean, it's the contrast, doesn't it?

1264
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:37.559
She's having a lot of fun and then it gets serious.

1265
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:39.239
Yeah, yeah.

1266
00:53:39.300 --> 00:53:43.619
And it's it is partly a ploy because they are still kind of trying

1267
00:53:43.619 --> 00:53:47.219
to ensure that those 2 don't get the isolenium, I guess.

1268
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.420
Yeah, this is it.

1269
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.719
Only to go home in the, in the, on the emperor's new clothes.

1270
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:53.280
Not that anyone was complaining.

1271
00:53:53.340 --> 00:53:56.280
She looks right at him when she says it and he looks away.

1272
00:53:56.340 --> 00:54:00.059
And it lands in a way that all those jokes we've been talking

1273
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:01.739
about in 90s trek didn't.

1274
00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:04.260
Because they weren't even jokes, you know?

1275
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:05.639
An actual joke.

1276
00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:07.440
It's not a non- joke, you know?

1277
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:10.260
But a camera doesn't sort of linger as well, you know?

1278
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:11.699
are you laughing?

1279
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.619
There's a woman sitting around the table with very heavy eye

1280
00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:19.920
makeup who looks desperately bored by the whole thing.

1281
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.199
The man has very heavy iron, man.

1282
00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:23.699
But he doesn't, I think is kind of hard.

1283
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.980
Look how it looks wryly amused by the whole thing.

1284
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1285
00:54:30.780 --> 00:54:31.920
Extra watching.

1286
00:54:31.980 --> 00:54:32.820
It's always a lot of fun.

1287
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:36.059
Yeah, he's cute that extra though.

1288
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:36.719
Look at him.

1289
00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:37.500
He's very pretty.

1290
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.679
This doesn't look like the most fun game in the world though, does

1291
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:40.920
it?

1292
00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:43.019
Well, poker never does.

1293
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.579
I never understand it.

1294
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.360
No, I know to play poker, but...

1295
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.119
It's the fun is who you're playing with, not the game itself.

1296
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.019
Another callback to the Schaefer colony.

1297
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.039
Oh, now we're moving it up.

1298
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:00.300
We're dropping the odd frame.

1299
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.440
Oh, look, we're giving signals very obvious signals to each

1300
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:04.619
other.

1301
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:05.460
She yours.

1302
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:06.960
I love how she yours.

1303
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.300
But they know each other.

1304
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.440
Do you know what I mean?

1305
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:13.500
Like they can just read the signals they're sending each other so

1306
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:16.739
we don't even need to be told that they're going to send signals.

1307
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.960
We just see shots of them and their reactions.

1308
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:21.179
And did you notice the ending nails?

1309
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:22.320
to their eyes.

1310
00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:23.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1311
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.780
Well, it's a thing that Star Trek, 90 Star Trek is almost never

1312
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.880
brave enough to try and do.

1313
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:33.599
It never relies on us being able to work. to suck stuff out

1314
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:34.199
visually.

1315
00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:36.360
Subtext and stuff like that.

1316
00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:36.900
Yeah.

1317
00:55:37.019 --> 00:55:39.719
So I think this conversation is really properly good.

1318
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:44.340
And so this is why Joanna's here, I think.

1319
00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:48.119
And he's immediately contemptuous of because he's kind of

1320
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:52.380
contemptuous of everyone, but also she's been in a fist fight and

1321
00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:55.139
she's just a lieutenant commander at Starfleet.

1322
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:55.980
Do you know what I mean?

1323
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:59.880
And so he asked her what, she thing.

1324
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:03.900
And she says she understands him.

1325
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:04.440
Yeah.

1326
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:08.280
And and she works out what it is.

1327
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.659
Because...

1328
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.059
Because what happens at the end of this episode is that we

1329
00:56:15.059 --> 00:56:19.139
discover that something very terrible is about to happen, and it's

1330
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:23.099
not the terrible thing that Taka and book fear.

1331
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.639
It's the terrible thing that we are going to provoke this

1332
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.739
incredibly powerful group of people.

1333
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:33.300
And she knows that that's a risk and she's deduced that he's doing

1334
00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:35.579
it because someone's died, right?

1335
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:42.360
Um, But it's not revenge, and it's not the same thing that book is

1336
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.760
doing, which is trying to prevent it from happening again.

1337
00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:49.679
It's this, keeping a promise maybe to someone who died, and then

1338
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.840
he says, okay, go away, you're boring me.

1339
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:56.400
And we find out what it is later and I think it's surprisingly

1340
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.820
touching. and weird and beautiful.

1341
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:03.420
You can choose for something good to come out of this, she says.

1342
00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:04.679
I lie.

1343
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.519
Yeah.

1344
00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:07.559
But I like what he says.

1345
00:57:07.619 --> 00:57:11.880
He says, my loss was so great that I don't get that choice.

1346
00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:15.840
If you could feel the log of mine, even for a fleeting moment

1347
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.079
you'd reconsider how much of a choice with regards to what comes

1348
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:19.559
out of it.

1349
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:24.659
Yeah, and I think that sort of, again, that kind of dialogue is

1350
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.280
never get it.

1351
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:28.139
It's very, very well.

1352
00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:29.340
Yeah.

1353
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.800
I'm just so vanished. so used to discovery sort of painting its

1354
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:40.980
moments big and white melodramatic and this is all very subtle.

1355
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.320
Mm, yeah.

1356
00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:44.699
But I think that's deliberate.

1357
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.880
I think, you know, I like that approach.

1358
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:49.739
So we get it done too much.

1359
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.780
Maybe they're learning, they don't have to make a fuss all the

1360
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:52.440
time to make a point.

1361
00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:53.280
Yeah.

1362
00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:57.059
Yeah, we don't have to have Michael sort of staring into the

1363
00:57:57.059 --> 00:57:58.860
camera with her eyes welling up.

1364
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.219
This is the best moment in the episode, though, where she says to

1365
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:04.199
her, isn't she, about walking away?

1366
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:05.460
And he's like, yeah.

1367
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.440
I'm walking away.

1368
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:12.960
Yeah, but this every bridge, every bridge including the bridge

1369
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.960
between RC asks and she...

1370
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:18.420
What does she say?

1371
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:19.980
Yes, they'll send me after you.

1372
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:21.480
Yeah.

1373
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:22.500
So this is it.

1374
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:26.219
You know, like if you win now, you have the choice to win or not

1375
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:26.639
to win.

1376
00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:30.000
And he she knows that it's his choice because she can't win

1377
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.320
against him.

1378
00:58:31.380 --> 00:58:33.719
And so this is the choice.

1379
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:37.559
And he looks her in the eye and makes the choice.

1380
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:39.539
Well, she's giving him the choice.

1381
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.440
It doesn't have to be like that.

1382
00:58:40.500 --> 00:58:41.039
Yeah.

1383
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:42.960
No, we can end this.

1384
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.460
Let's end this.

1385
00:58:44.460 --> 00:58:47.460
And he's, let's end this.

1386
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.659
And she says, all right, let's end, he says, all right, let's end

1387
00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:51.960
this.

1388
00:58:52.019 --> 00:58:53.760
But they mean the opposite thing.

1389
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.320
I'll never say that to you about untitled Star Trek Project, you

1390
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:58.500
know.

1391
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:03.420
I just how stricken she looks because that's it.

1392
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:07.739
She she gives him the opportunity to remake that choice and he

1393
00:59:07.739 --> 00:59:08.460
makes it.

1394
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.099
And the dialogue is clever.

1395
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.679
You know, like there's, it's smart.

1396
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.719
Look at him.

1397
00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:16.860
He's so beautiful.

1398
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:18.900
It's a good moment.

1399
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:19.440
It is.

1400
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:25.260
And she, like, she's not, she's not, she's giving it to him, isn't

1401
00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:25.440
she?

1402
00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:26.820
She's letting him have it.

1403
00:59:27.420 --> 00:59:29.400
And I think because she has that backup.

1404
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.360
But she's looking at him because she knows what he's going through

1405
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:34.199
as well.

1406
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.099
Like, you know, this, he's not being selfish.

1407
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.940
He's not.

1408
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:44.820
You know, he suffered great loss and and we've had that

1409
00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:48.300
conversation about what loss does to your ability to make a choice

1410
00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:52.800
and then we get the scene of him making the choice and the loss

1411
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.420
that he experienced is so great.

1412
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.679
You get a lot to do in three.

1413
00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:58.139
Are they are they redressing that here?

1414
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.579
I'm giving him lots to it for.

1415
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:01.619
I think he had a lot to do it.

1416
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.619
Well, yeah, I mean, because he's in this sort of weird position

1417
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:07.320
where he's just kind of, you know, the captain's fuck who's kind

1418
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:08.400
of...

1419
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.960
I don't really...

1420
01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:13.079
I don't remember him doing anything at the end of 3 in that last

1421
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:13.920
episode we watched.

1422
01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:14.460
No.

1423
01:00:14.460 --> 01:00:17.760
Well, I'm assuming I'm assuming you get something to do at the end

1424
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.599
of four, given this whole midseason beer. all about him.

1425
01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:22.440
Yeah.

1426
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.860
She's so good too, isn't she?

1427
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.460
And again, it's that American way of acting where you don't

1428
01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:31.619
necessarily say exactly what you're thinking.

1429
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.440
It's that thing where you invite someone to think about what

1430
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:35.219
you're thinking.

1431
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:36.539
It's really good.

1432
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:37.679
She's just tremendous.

1433
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.079
I do wonder, though, you know, if, uh, if some of it is going to

1434
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.719
go over the head of some people watching it that I used to be in

1435
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.039
spoon fed watching television.

1436
01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:52.260
Yeah, but I think I think in the last 30 years we've got better at

1437
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:53.039
watching TV.

1438
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:54.000
Do you know what I mean?

1439
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:57.659
Like I think that, and that's why this can afford to be like

1440
01:00:57.659 --> 01:00:58.019
this.

1441
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.559
And I'm sure, of course, there is more subtle and cleverer

1442
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.000
television, this is Star Trek, but it's certainly more subtle and

1443
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.679
cleverer than it used to be.

1444
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:09.780
And I'm glad about that.

1445
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.860
I'm happy to go back and watch Star Trek from the 90s, but I'm

1446
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:17.219
glad there's a version of Star Trek now that is a little bit more

1447
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:18.780
rewarding, I think.

1448
01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:22.980
Oh, so the 10 C.

1449
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.139
So amazing.

1450
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.639
Yeah, I'll be I'll be interested to see how that all pans out.

1451
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.380
Yeah, so this is great too, because the other thing is that Relax

1452
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:35.039
isn't dumb.

1453
01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:37.739
She knows, she deduces exactly what happens.

1454
01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:43.079
She knows, but what she doesn't realise is that Michael still won

1455
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:43.559
this one.

1456
01:01:44.579 --> 01:01:46.019
Yeah.

1457
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:51.900
So she knows that Vance gave her permission to go and get book.

1458
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.059
Like, she deduces all of that.

1459
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:55.199
She doesn't need to...

1460
01:01:55.260 --> 01:01:56.639
Again, it's not spelled out, is it?

1461
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:57.780
Yeah.

1462
01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.400
We know.

1463
01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:01.199
Well, she just sort of comes in.

1464
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:01.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1465
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.280
Yeah.

1466
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.360
But this is being spelled out and now we're getting, and I think

1467
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.760
we knew, we must have known that she did something.

1468
01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:11.820
Didn't, don't you think?

1469
01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:15.239
That scene was so...

1470
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:20.460
But so she says it's the trackers that we used to use to trace the

1471
01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:21.659
dilithium shipments.

1472
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.840
And so there's something that's already been introduced and look

1473
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:29.280
where she brings her hand up and ta-da. here's a galactic map of

1474
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.699
where he is right now. from one episode to the other.

1475
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:33.780
Let's go.

1476
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.119
I will say, though, I will say, because we've watched 3 from

1477
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:43.380
season 4 now.

1478
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:51.360
I currently remain unconvinced that because 2 of the 3 we've

1479
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.019
watched have been all right and one was really, really good.

1480
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.579
So I think I need to see more of how incredible this season can

1481
01:02:59.579 --> 01:02:59.820
be.

1482
01:02:59.940 --> 01:03:03.900
Because the prison one was just felt like a place villa.

1483
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:08.340
This feels like a getting from A to B. We've only got 13 episodes

1484
01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:08.760
this year.

1485
01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:10.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1486
01:03:10.860 --> 01:03:12.420
This is what, episode eight?

1487
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.300
I mean, we've got 5 more or something after these.

1488
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.280
But each one is distinct.

1489
01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:18.960
None of them have been terrible.

1490
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:23.039
Like they haven't been unwatchably bad, like that dreary Talos 5

1491
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.000
episode we watched.

1492
01:03:24.059 --> 01:03:26.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1493
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:30.360
So this, again, like I really like this too.

1494
01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:33.000
And partly it's because you've got relax there who doesn't

1495
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:34.199
understand what's going on.

1496
01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:37.739
And also it's just like this thing is massive.

1497
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.980
This is a big field that we've noticed in that place.

1498
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.619
Remember that she was also there to get the star charts.

1499
01:03:43.739 --> 01:03:47.760
So this is what she got from, uh, has the star charts.

1500
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:51.599
And it's big enough to, it's a structure that's big enough to

1501
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.159
contain an entire star system.

1502
01:03:53.219 --> 01:03:56.400
So the scale of it is like nothing that's ever been mentioned

1503
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:56.579
before.

1504
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.340
Do you think they bring it down to such a sort of mundane

1505
01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:02.280
description because she's there to make it easy for her?

1506
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:03.960
No, because we're watching.

1507
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:07.019
Well, yeah, I know, but that gives them a reason to do it as well

1508
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:07.199
though.

1509
01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1510
01:04:09.059 --> 01:04:11.699
Can she be around in every scene then, please?

1511
01:04:13.260 --> 01:04:18.659
But this, again, even if we don't get this, she works out, if

1512
01:04:18.659 --> 01:04:22.739
something is missing where the DMA has turned up, and then both of

1513
01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:26.880
them decide Bora night, and only then does Zora come in and say

1514
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.360
yes, there's no Bora night at any of the sides, and that's where

1515
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.639
she says, yeah, yeah, like whatever.

1516
01:04:32.699 --> 01:04:37.019
And she decides that's where she learns that it's a, it's

1517
01:04:37.019 --> 01:04:37.739
dredging.

1518
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:38.940
It's mining equipment.

1519
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.139
There is just enough tech bubble here, though, for me to be...

1520
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:45.960
Yeah, yeah, but of course you want technobabble.

1521
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:49.619
I think you want technobabble, but and this scene only exists to

1522
01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:50.880
explain this point.

1523
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:51.420
Exactly.

1524
01:04:51.420 --> 01:04:51.960
You know what I mean?

1525
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:54.780
Unlike that dreadful scene we saw in Voyager where they were

1526
01:04:54.780 --> 01:04:56.639
looking for who was it?

1527
01:04:56.699 --> 01:04:57.300
Who were they looking for?

1528
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:58.920
Fate in faces, B'lana.

1529
01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:02.699
And it was just interminable amounts of techno bag were leading

1530
01:05:02.699 --> 01:05:02.940
nowhere.

1531
01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:07.980
But this is them discovering a thing as we discovered.

1532
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.800
It doesn't exist just to explain the plot to us. for them to find

1533
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:11.219
it out.

1534
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.300
We watch them working out what's happening and the implication.

1535
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.900
Anomally, she says it's mining equipment, yeah?

1536
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:22.380
So what is churning up the universe for what purpose?

1537
01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:29.820
to get Boronite to maintain the energy needed to run that field.

1538
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:33.000
That's what they said. for?

1539
01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:35.039
We don't know.

1540
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:36.119
We don't know what's in it.

1541
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:38.400
The answers are compelling.

1542
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.500
Yeah, yeah.

1543
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.960
Well, it's the tenator there, aren't they?

1544
01:05:43.019 --> 01:05:48.179
Um, but, but notice too that immediately the person who says that

1545
01:05:48.179 --> 01:05:53.099
Booker, that Booker and Tarker need to be stopped is Relak, the

1546
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.980
president, because she's a politician, and so she immediately gets

1547
01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:57.420
the political thing.

1548
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.840
And so now what's happened is what book has done?

1549
01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:03.000
He's had the chance to remake that decision.

1550
01:06:03.059 --> 01:06:07.079
But we now know that that decision is a disastrously bad

1551
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:07.679
decision.

1552
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:10.440
Because now effectively the bad guy.

1553
01:06:10.500 --> 01:06:11.639
Well, good reasons.

1554
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:12.539
Oh, no.

1555
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.780
No, no, he's not the bad guy, but he's doing something very wrong

1556
01:06:15.780 --> 01:06:19.800
and he has to be stopped because he's poking something so

1557
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:20.760
powerful.

1558
01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:24.239
He's planning to poke some. do you know what I mean?

1559
01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:27.119
Like to, you know, strike out against something so powerful.

1560
01:06:27.179 --> 01:06:30.360
Oh, they just spell this all out to him, explain all this.

1561
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.719
Well, I think they do try.

1562
01:06:33.780 --> 01:06:36.000
Um, but yes.

1563
01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:37.619
So we will find out.

1564
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:42.719
So we have to, we know where he is now. and we know where the 10

1565
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:43.800
CR.

1566
01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:45.059
Do you know what?

1567
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:45.480
exciting.

1568
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.539
What pleases me about all of this is that, you know, you and I did

1569
01:06:48.539 --> 01:06:53.400
ask, we said we'd watch too many great episodes of Star Trek, too

1570
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.300
many terrible episodes of Star Trek, and we've had a mid-episode

1571
01:06:57.300 --> 01:07:02.099
of Voyager faces, a mid-episode of DS9, the Muse.

1572
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.960
And I would probably say, this is a fairly mid-episode of

1573
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:07.559
Discovery.

1574
01:07:07.619 --> 01:07:09.659
Yeah, I think it's better than either of those.

1575
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:11.460
No, no, no, it's better than those.

1576
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.559
But I think the bars higher.

1577
01:07:13.619 --> 01:07:14.760
So on Discovery's terms.

1578
01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:15.420
Well, that's right.

1579
01:07:15.420 --> 01:07:16.800
This is kind of meat.

1580
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:20.940
Yeah, I'm hoping we do get something spectacular next time in

1581
01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:21.480
either direction.

1582
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.039
Who knows?

1583
01:07:23.099 --> 01:07:26.219
But, and I will say this again and again. was entertaining.

1584
01:07:26.699 --> 01:07:31.860
It just didn't set my world on fire in a way that I I was

1585
01:07:31.860 --> 01:07:32.639
expecting it to.

1586
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:35.340
Like I said, it's a gentle run-up.

1587
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:39.659
We had a massive, massive, massive cliffhanger and a massive break

1588
01:07:39.659 --> 01:07:40.440
happen.

1589
01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:46.079
And so this is like, like, you know, family or or something like

1590
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:50.099
that where we get the chance to just sit back and work out what

1591
01:07:50.099 --> 01:07:51.059
all of that meant.

1592
01:07:51.179 --> 01:07:55.380
And then we push the plot on in that final scene, to the next

1593
01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:57.840
thing, where the status quo changes.

1594
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:02.820
And one of the things the rest of the episodes this season do, and

1595
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:08.519
there are 5 more, is each episode is a distinct step along the way

1596
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.639
to finding out what's going on and who the 10 C are.

1597
01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:15.239
And the episodes follow on from one another, but each one has a

1598
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:21.239
very distinct arc. and works on its own in the way that, you know

1599
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.659
that one has an arc, something happens in that episode, and it's

1600
01:08:24.659 --> 01:08:27.600
said in a particular place, and it's trying to do a particular

1601
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:31.079
thing, and it isn't one of those episodes where just everyone's

1602
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.680
subplot is inched long, 6 inches, and you can't really remember

1603
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.479
what it was about at the end of it.

1604
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.939
We do at least now know what that episode was about.

1605
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:45.479
What's odd about discovery is in today's television terms, 13

1606
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.039
episodes is a long season, a lot of shows, you know, will do 6

1607
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.359
episodes or 10, in Star Trek terms, given, you know, the wealth of

1608
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:55.199
Star Trek, there is.

1609
01:08:55.260 --> 01:08:57.060
It feels like a short season, doesn't it?

1610
01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.579
Because we're so used to 26 episodes.

1611
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:03.420
Well, was was season one like 17 episodes?

1612
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:04.079
It was really good.

1613
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:05.819
Season 5's 10, isn't it?

1614
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:06.960
Yeah, yeah.

1615
01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:07.380
Yep.

1616
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.899
We're getting shorter.

1617
01:09:09.899 --> 01:09:10.500
We go along.

1618
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:11.340
Yeah.

1619
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.500
Well, I think that seems to be the number of episodes they're

1620
01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:15.119
doing for a season of everything now.

1621
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:17.159
And I think that's that's not bad.

1622
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:22.140
I think if the sacrifices that the money is spread and it looks as

1623
01:09:22.140 --> 01:09:24.479
good as it does, because on the whole, discovery just looks

1624
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:24.960
stunning.

1625
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.800
I think that's a worthy sacrifice to make to make every episode a

1626
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:29.520
piece of cinema.

1627
01:09:29.579 --> 01:09:33.420
Yeah, well, remember, when American TV was sort of churning out 26

1628
01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.720
episodes of everything a year, and then they would look across at

1629
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:42.239
British TV where seasons were like 6 episodes long or whatever, you

1630
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:44.520
know, that seemed ridiculous to the Americans.

1631
01:09:44.579 --> 01:09:50.039
But of course, the great thing is that 10 episodes lets you reject

1632
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:51.539
a lot of dud ideas.

1633
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:57.180
And it also, I think, lets you structure a season a little, it's

1634
01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:58.380
easier to structure a season.

1635
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:01.859
I hate the term filler to describe episodes.

1636
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.399
I think that no episode ever intends to be filler.

1637
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:09.000
I think it just ends up being filler, especially when it comes to

1638
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.319
Kursman Shrek, where every single episode has elements, as we keep

1639
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.239
saying, that pushes things along, you know?

1640
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:18.300
There's a character moment that's important to that character arc

1641
01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:18.840
in the season.

1642
01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:22.260
There's a plot moment that's getting us from A to B. Nothing is

1643
01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:23.460
completely worthless.

1644
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.899
Not in a way that some standalone 90s strict episodes are.

1645
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:28.680
But that's the thing.

1646
01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:31.020
They don't have the luxury of throwing stuff out.

1647
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:33.180
They've got to generate all of these ideas.

1648
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:36.180
They've got to basically put out an episode every 2 weeks.

1649
01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:40.140
It's, you know, punishing and difficult, I think.

1650
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:42.840
But there is there is a downside to this approach.

1651
01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:47.579
Well, and that is like, say, Picard series 2, where it's basically

1652
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:49.560
telling one story, isn't it?

1653
01:10:49.619 --> 01:10:51.720
We're going back in time, we're doing all this thing.

1654
01:10:51.779 --> 01:10:55.319
And then you have 3 or 4 episodes on the bounce, which feel very

1655
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:58.319
similar, you know, and you're like, well, what was distinct about

1656
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.739
that in the same location with the same characters essentially

1657
01:11:01.739 --> 01:11:02.579
doing the same thing?

1658
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.840
You know?

1659
01:11:03.899 --> 01:11:09.060
And it does mean that there are highs in these seasons, but it's

1660
01:11:09.060 --> 01:11:10.739
usually where the big events happen, you know?

1661
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.060
Yeah, yeah.

1662
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:17.939
I think Picard, like Picard gets it right, I think in series

1663
01:11:17.939 --> 01:11:18.840
three.

1664
01:11:18.899 --> 01:11:22.979
And even though that's sort of in lots of ways less ambitious and

1665
01:11:22.979 --> 01:11:27.720
less experimental than the other 2 seasons, it gets it right and

1666
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.460
it even tries it on hard mode.

1667
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.659
It like gives us episode after episode after episode on the Titan

1668
01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:37.199
in the same situation, which we see resolved.

1669
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.119
Racking up the tension.

1670
01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:39.779
Yeah, yeah.

1671
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:41.640
And that's not the end of it.

1672
01:11:41.699 --> 01:11:45.720
Like, we are on the Titan for most of that season, and yet they

1673
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.939
kind of managed to make it work, and, and I think they just get

1674
01:11:50.939 --> 01:11:51.779
good at it.

1675
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.720
And I think that's what happens in discovery series 4 as well.

1676
01:11:54.779 --> 01:12:00.060
Like 90s track, it kind of is determined, your enjoyment.

1677
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.800
This episode is focussing on this character, how invested am I in

1678
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:05.640
this particular character.

1679
01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:08.760
Because sometimes, you know, you can live and die on, whether you

1680
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.880
enjoy something, if it's someone you don't like, you know, or

1681
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.819
someone you're less interested in, then it's, you know, it's going

1682
01:12:14.819 --> 01:12:15.840
to be a throwaway one for you.

1683
01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:17.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1684
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:22.500
This wasn't throwaway, but I'm certainly not as invested as you

1685
01:12:22.500 --> 01:12:24.300
are in Michael and book.

1686
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:25.859
So those scenes were all right.

1687
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:29.100
And then everything else around it is sort of leading up to and

1688
01:12:29.100 --> 01:12:30.840
away from that moment.

1689
01:12:30.899 --> 01:12:32.460
Yeah, yeah.

1690
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:33.539
It was good.

1691
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:34.380
It wasn't right.

1692
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:34.859
It was good.

1693
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:36.720
I think that's fair.

1694
01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:46.800
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1695
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:48.779
find out what we're going to be doing next time.

1696
01:12:48.779 --> 01:12:54.420
It's my turn on the randomiser after Joe's excellent choice last

1697
01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:58.800
week, and I am going to tell you what we're going to do.

1698
01:12:58.859 --> 01:13:01.560
We've only done one of these before.

1699
01:13:01.619 --> 01:13:04.439
We're going to do a short trek.

1700
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:10.439
So these are the 10 minute episodes of Star Trek that accompanied

1701
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:11.819
series one and two.

1702
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:15.539
I can't even remember how many there are of them, but we'll see

1703
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:16.500
how we go.

1704
01:13:16.619 --> 01:13:20.760
There's a very weird wild variety of things.

1705
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:26.939
Okay, so your random Star Trek Short Treks episode is Ask Not, and

1706
01:13:26.939 --> 01:13:31.199
I think that's the episode where Una and Spock meet for the 1st

1707
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.859
time on the Enterprise in the Turbo.

1708
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:36.300
Oh, strange new worlds.

1709
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:41.279
It is, so it's from season 2 because we've got Spock and Una in

1710
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:42.300
Discovery Series 2.

1711
01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:44.579
But we're not going to do that one.

1712
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.840
That's season two, episode three.

1713
01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:48.960
Season one, episode one is the 1st one.

1714
01:13:49.020 --> 01:13:49.859
It called Runaway.

1715
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:55.619
It's a Tilly episode and it does actually play into series 2, but

1716
01:13:55.619 --> 01:13:56.520
I'm not going to pick that one.

1717
01:13:56.579 --> 01:13:59.159
Are you going for a particular one then?

1718
01:13:59.220 --> 01:13:59.819
There's not many of these.

1719
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.119
No, I'm tempted by this one.

1720
01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:06.779
The girl who made the stars season two, episode four.

1721
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.060
Super temper, but I'm not going to do it.

1722
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.159
Okay, this is one that I haven't seen.

1723
01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:12.239
How about this?

1724
01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:12.960
Why don't we do this?

1725
01:14:13.020 --> 01:14:17.100
There's one episode four, the escape artist, and it stars Rain

1726
01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:18.659
Wilson as Harry Maud.

1727
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:19.560
Okay.

1728
01:14:19.619 --> 01:14:21.600
What if I don't know.

1729
01:14:21.659 --> 01:14:23.460
Yeah, but it's about Harry Maud.

1730
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:24.779
Should we do it or not?

1731
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.659
Is that leading into that 1st discovery appearance of Harry

1732
01:14:27.659 --> 01:14:28.079
Mount?

1733
01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.520
I think it's after...

1734
01:14:29.579 --> 01:14:30.600
Oh, I'm not sure.

1735
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:34.319
Oh, after he goes off with... that would be great.

1736
01:14:34.380 --> 01:14:38.640
I don't know, but that would be great after he goes off with Mrs

1737
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:39.000
Mudd.

1738
01:14:39.060 --> 01:14:41.100
The funniest episode.

1739
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:41.520
Yeah.

1740
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:43.380
Well, yes, Harry Martin.

1741
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:44.520
I think we should do it.

1742
01:14:44.579 --> 01:14:46.739
No, I've pressed the button again.

1743
01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:48.359
Oh, there's only 10 years.

1744
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.220
I know.

1745
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:51.239
This is the one we're doing.

1746
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:52.619
We're doing the trouble with Edward.

1747
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:56.279
Season two, episode two, 1st broadcast on Wednesday, the ninth of

1748
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:56.579
October.

1749
01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:57.840
2019.

1750
01:14:58.020 --> 01:14:59.640
Yeah, I absolutely.

1751
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:01.199
And it stars John Benjamin.

1752
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.420
Very, very fun.

1753
01:15:03.420 --> 01:15:04.619
Bob's Burgers.

1754
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:05.640
What do you reckon?

1755
01:15:05.699 --> 01:15:08.340
I think we just do. that's a brilliant idea.

1756
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:10.619
Yeah, that's and it's hilarious as well.

1757
01:15:10.739 --> 01:15:12.180
It is pretty great.

1758
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:13.020
It is pretty good.

1759
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:13.920
All right, let's do it.

1760
01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:25.800
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1761
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.640
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1762
01:15:28.739 --> 01:15:32.159
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1763
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.000
media accounts.

1764
01:15:33.060 --> 01:15:36.960
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01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:38.699
composed by Cameron Lam.

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This episode was recorded on the 13th of February 2024 and

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released on the 16th of February.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Short Treks, The Trouble

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with Edward.

1770
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All right, what do you think?

1771
01:16:07.739 --> 01:16:09.359
We should... roll...

1772
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:10.739
I need to run soon.

1773
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.239
So yeah, let's let's roll.

1774
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It's known nearly 10.

1775
01:16:13.859 --> 01:16:14.460
What is it?

1776
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Nearly 10 o'clock.

1777
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.840
I think they start at 10, but I'll get there about...

1778
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.479
There's an episode coming up called the Galactic Barrier.

1779
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Well, of discovery.

1780
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:34.140
And you're, yeah, no, just like it's 2 episodes from this one

1781
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because they have to go outside the galaxy.

1782
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:43.500
And so there's the galactic barrier, which is in where no man has

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gone before.

1784
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There's a big energy.

1785
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Big energy thing around the galaxy, which is like super dumb and

1786
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not real or anything like that.

1787
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Um, and it's, it's from the 2nd ever episode.

1788
01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:58.439
It's time, which, of course it is.

1789
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I know, they just take any old crap, try and make it work.

1790
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The galactic bar.

1791
01:17:03.060 --> 01:17:03.960
We got to work within that.

1792
01:17:04.859 --> 01:17:06.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1793
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.939
They could have ignored it easily if they'd wanted to, but they

1794
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absolutely didn't want to, and I love them for that.

1795
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Did you see the picture for a matter of time?

1796
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On the website?

1797
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I can't remember what it was.

1798
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:22.319
Well, I did see it because I took the to the link.

1799
01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:23.819
Was it?

1800
01:17:23.819 --> 01:17:25.380
It was in the shuttle, wasn't it?

1801
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Yeah.

1802
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Yeah, yeah, the shuttle with the with the hologchromatic

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wallpaper.

1804
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They chose specially for you.

1805
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Okay, one condition is, I know you're choosing this time, but the

1806
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one condition is, it's even really terrible, it's great, all

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right?

1808
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Okay.

1809
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We can somehow find something.