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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back sooner than we expected with Star Trek, the Next Generation, and this is Star Trek in its imperial phase, which is roughly speaking, seasons three, four, and five.

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How do you think this stacks up with your expectations last week?

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Well, were my expectations last week?

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I was inter...

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I was quite positive when this popped up on the randomiser.

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You did say that they were aliens in it that would give the Boma a run for their money, so I'm not quite sure what was happening there.

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I must have been misremembering.

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Yeah Well, I figured there were some weird designed aliens in this.

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And in fact, no, it's our standard humanoid aliens in boring costumes spouting a load of dull technobabble.

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I mean, they were as dull as the Beaumont.

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Does that count?

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They're the people that Mariner makes fun of all the time on lower decks, you know, the sort of science colonist people who all wear the same jumpsuits and stuff.

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And so it's...

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It's what they have in Lois Decks, where they always talk about, you know, 0 my god, we need to get there to stop this impending disaster.

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That's these people that they're talking about, you know?

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Yeah exactly.

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So this is a very Star Trek the Next Generation episode.

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And it's really, really a bit run of a meal, and I don't think that the conceit is quite enough to lift it out of that.

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It doesn't quite work.

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I said to you in a message whilst I was, I was sort of giving Nathan a running commentary as I was going through this.

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Oh, very unimpressed comments.

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You could tell the tone, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I knew you could.

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You were given very considered answers.

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And I think this could have been fantastic if this wasn't a Star Trek, the next generation episode because it is a fun premise.

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The idea of somebody from the future, coming back to the past, which is what they run with for two-thirds of the airport.

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No, more than that, about 90% of the episode.

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That's a really fun idea.

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Trouble is, is it's married to our stock TNG lot of, oh dear, this planet is having an environmental disaster.

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And this is the catastrophic event that somebody from the future has come to watch.

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It's not thrilling enough to convince me at any point that this is a point in the past that somebody would come to visit or to study.

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Yeah, but we find out that it isn't that, and that's part of the thing, and, you know, But it's supposed to try and trick us, right?

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Convince us.

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Yeah, well, yeah, part of the problem is that Matt Frewer isn't really coming back into the past to study this pivotal event.

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He just turns up here when they happen to be doing something really quite terribly routine.

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And although that B plot actually escalates and is kind of designed to create a situation where Picard needs the time traveler's knowledge where he's got a really risky decision to make.

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He has to question the prime directive again, doesn't he?

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you know?

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Which is a good scene.

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Yeah, I think that is a good scene.

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But otherwise, it doesn't see, I think Star Trek the Next Generation at this point has raised the floor so that we never go quite as bad as anything in series one and two and has found a kind of groove.

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Like, it's found something for the crew to do.

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Like we're not at war.

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We're not always going to meet aliens that we have to fight.

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That's not what this show does.

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And so it tries to imagine what this ship should do.

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And this is now the 2nd season 5 episode that we've done that has the crew encountering a planet that's facing an environmental catastrophe caused by space rocks or something.

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Is it ever done in a particularly gripping fashion ever?

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No.

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And what I appreciated about this.

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I mean, this is just a day at the office for them, right?

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And this would have been more interesting if it hadn't been a day at the office for them, I think, if he'd come at a more climactic moment.

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But he doesn't really, he just comes to a really kind of boring adventure, I think.

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That's the trouble.

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I was like constantly being told or being made aware that something truly startling was going to happen because he's sort of looking at his watch, staring at the ceiling and they keep going, what, what?

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And it's like, oh, you'll find out, you'll find out.

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So I'm thinking, right, great.

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So this might be boring, that something incredible is going to happen in this plot.

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When the episode ended and nothing did.

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I was like, what the hell was that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's just poor bastard turns up like on history's most routine day on the enterprise D and has to kind of big it up.

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I said to you as well, I just don't buy, and I know, I know it's a, it's a lie, but again, we are supposed to be convinced that it's the truth, that he is from the future.

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I don't buy that he would come and study Captain Picard, you know, the dullest captain in Starfleet.

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Now, if he turned up on a particularly great TOS episode, and we're studying Captain Kirk, who's unpredictable, and, you know, that makes a lot of sense.

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He's an exciting character.

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I can understand somebody from the future going, all right, let's go this troublemaker.

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Let's go and see what's Captain Picard, really?

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You know, he starts pacing his office and going, oh, 7 metres. amazing.

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They've got it exactly right in the in the future, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, God.

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You're right. constrained by the formula of this show.

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It can't take this idea and do something wild with it.

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It just wants to play out a regular TNG episode and then throw in a like an okay twist at the end.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, in a sense, you know, the premise where someone from the future comes to study them is almost series breaking, isn't it?

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Like it's potentially a thing that breaks the premise of the show.

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And remember that when we watched TOS, we didn't really know when it was set, I don't think.

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I don't think they were ever particularly clear about it.

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And now we've decided that it's set 300 years after it's broadcast.

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But I think that we only realise what century we're in when Star Trek the Next Generation decides that it's the 24th century.

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And it could have done any century and it chose to go sort of 90 years ahead with some different technology and staff.

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And so the future is only something that exists at this point in Star Trek.

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There's no real future in TOS because TOS isn't really set at any particular time.

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And so this is the 2nd time we've had people from the future.

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I think we've had them at the beginning of Captain's holiday.

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Those aliens, they were pretty dull as well.

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Yeah, they were.

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That's right.

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They were the dullest part of that.

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And so it is something that is potentially interesting.

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It's not a bad idea, but what they come up with is so kind of boring. and he's just, he's going to steal a bunch of tricorders and flogg them on eBay when he gets back to the 22nd century.

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It's not that interesting.

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What is so obvious.

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Well, there's, yeah, the director is not holding anything back.

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So we see him.

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It's sort of language shots, pocketing trike orders and things like scientific equipment and you're going, well, what's something's going to happen here then, you know?

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Whereas that bit at the end might land a bit better if there had been no indication at all the way through.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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We got to be clever.

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We got to show the audience.

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And then they go, oh, that's what all that was about.

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Okay.

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And so there's no twist, really, essentially.

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He's just Nick and stuff.

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And like, we'll talk about it as we go through the episode.

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But, yeah, it's well known that Robin Williams was originally supposed to start in one of his big movies he was doing at the same time, which meant he couldn't.

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But this was written specifically for him.

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Matt Thruer steps in from Matt's headroom.

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Is that right?

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Yeah.

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And, um, he's all right in the role, but he accentuates all the annoying parts of the role and doesn't really bring any charm.

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And I said to you off, Mike.

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If Robin Williams had done this, he's such a sophisticated comedy actor.

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I think he would have made that character a bit darker and a lot more likeable as well.

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It would have been a more interesting guest character. if probably.

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Yeah, I think I think through, he's leaning into being irritating and he does it really well. succeeds.

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Yeah, he does.

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And I particularly like how unimpressed Troy is by him.

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I think that's awesome.

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Anytime she's a bit of a bitch, I love it.

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Yeah, well that's the best thing about it.

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She's normally so well behaved and here she just thinks he's a prick and makes no secret of it.

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I like on paper the idea that Beverly Crusher is a bit wooed by this man from the future.

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But not too wooed, is she?

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But she's sort of playful with him and it leans into Gates McFadden doing the best acting that she does, which is when she's just the person.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, no, she's great bits for her here.

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Oh, some really fun bits, yeah.

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Well, I suppose we better watch this thing, even though we have declared it very dull.

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Yeah, I think we'd better.

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All right.

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I'd say our job.

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It is.

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Okay.

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Al Kenneth in?

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Here we go.

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Stock encounter a car point shop.

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Yeah, exactly the opening shot of the show as usual.

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Although I'm always shocked when I go back and watch these T edgy episodes because they're just so crisp in HD.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this actually wins an Emmy for outstanding individual achievement in special visual effects, and it comes equal with conundrum, which, do you remember that?

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It's a high concept one where someone turns up on the ship and they're...

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Oh, it's a big puzzle that got us sort out, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Outstanding special effects.

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Are you talking about that window we keep looking out on the planet?

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suggests the different climates we're seeing.

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It's the same window from the masterpiece society.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I mean, because because this is trying to sell something that that is kind of real science.

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So when we objected to the technobabbler a couple of weeks ago when we were doing faces and there were whole scenes that were just technobabble trying to explain why the B plot on the ship wasn't going to interact with the A plot anytime soon, you know, because... so bad.

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And so what we have here, this ship, this planet has been kind of struck by asteroids or something, I've quite like this little ship, don't you?

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No, I refuse to believe spaceships in the future look that boring.

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It looks like a screw.

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It looks like a screw.

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It is, come on now.

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It will turn up over and over again, I think.

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We're used to the Klingon cruises, you know, and the Romulan ships and things like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they can't build one of those in the studio, though.

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We'll get to it, but the insides even better.

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I love the inside.

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I was getting proper enterprise vibes from the inside.

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Sorry, you was making a point about Technobabble.

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Well, so here what we have is, you know, we explain that this planet is undergoing a nuclear, like a nuclear winter because of all the particles in the air.

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And our solution is to drill into the mantle of the planet to release some carbon dioxide, which we know will retain the heat, and then give them time to deal with things.

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And then there turns out there's some tectonic instability around the drill sites that they weren't expecting.

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And all of that makes sense.

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It's not technobabble.

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It is just them doing their jobs.

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And what we need.

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Should we be watching that to do?

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Yes, because that's Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Heap, I think, of the pleasure of Star Trek, the Next Generation, is watching the competent people solve the space problems. when things go wrong and there's drama and character and...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, those things happen. always happens, though.

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I mean, that always does happen and here it sort of happens.

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I'd rather more wrong.

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A few episodes back, we had disaster.

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And the game, you know?

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Crazy high concept episodes.

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I'd much rather watch like fun like that than them drilling the core of this planet.

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But I think that only happens that we've got that boring background for the other plot to play against.

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So we have a... supposed to be a lot of fun.

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Yeah, we have a day at the office that is interrupted by this potentially series breaking encounter with the future, I think.

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You know what's interesting as well?

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I, in every single scene with Matt Fruer.

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I can see Robin Williams there doing it.

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I can sort of take him out and put Robin Williams in.

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So that bit there where he was like, oh, Captain, can you move to the left?

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And he beams onto the bridge.

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I mean, it's a shit joke.

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But Robin Williams would have sold it if it'd have beamed onto that bridge, you know?

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Yeah.

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You were exactly where I needed to be. you know.

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I wonder whether he would really have ever done it.

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I mean we know that he didn't.

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And he wasn't filming Hook at the same time.

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He'd just come off hook.

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He was a big fan that he was tired.

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Okay.

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Yeah, it would have been it would have been pretty amazing.

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If you think about the people who guessed it on original track and how embedded that became in our culture.

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And this version of Star Trek, whatever you say about it, is the version that more people watch than any other version.

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This point is a zeitgeist and then some.

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People were probably clamouring to get on it at this point. so much exposure.

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And, you know, even I would probably suggest that the Robin Williams things was golf.

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But then I think, wait, Whoopi Goldberg took a guess, you know, a guest starring regular role on this show.

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So it could attract big names.

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And I think probably the regulars would have acted against Robin Williams more interestingly as well.

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Do you know, in HD?

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I can see every fibre on the carpet on those walls.

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Oh, it's terrible, would it?

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He does make comments about the architecture, doesn't he?

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and things like this.

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Yeah, yeah, but like the stupid painting on the wall.

221
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You know what it means?

222
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It just needs a really witty writer and every one of these lines needs to be a zinger.

223
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Yeah, I don't want to cast too much shade, but that ain't Rick Berman.

224
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I've sat for enough. only enterprise episodes to know that.

225
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Yeah, what is it?

226
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He's not charming, is he?

227
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He's not charming.

228
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Is that it?

229
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He is annoying.

230
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He's sort of got a particular American flavour of annoying happening.

231
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These roguish characters.

232
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It can go 2 ways, can't it?

233
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They're either going to be.

234
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We're going to be completely on side with them or we're just going to be really annoyed by them and I'm generally annoyed by them.

235
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Yeah, and is he is he trying and failing because, I mean, that is that sort of cute, that thing where he's doing the steps across the thing and then turns to him and goes, I'm right and it's dumb as hell.

236
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Like historians don't really fight over how many metres someone's offices or which side of the table they sit on, which is apparently something that is known to the future.

237
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Like, it doesn't make any sense.

238
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No, incisive wit.

239
00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.039
Do you normally sit at that side of the table?

240
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Yeah, yeah.

241
00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.120
It's more of our non-jokes that we were talking about.

242
00:16:48.419 --> 00:16:51.480
It's a whole episode packed full of.

243
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That's it.

244
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In fact, you could show this to the rights of lower decks and say, this is precisely how not to do it.

245
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Don't do it.

246
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Yeah.

247
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But I mean, lower decks, you know, its version of what their job is as Starfleet officers is just this, isn't it?

248
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It's you go to a planet which is experiencing an environmental catastrophe, you do space things and try and fix it.

249
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Like, that's what the show's about.

250
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Very knowingly.

251
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They take the piss out of all of this while still stroking it very affectionately.

252
00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:26.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

253
00:17:26.819 --> 00:17:28.740
But, I mean, I kind of, I like that.

254
00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:40.680
And there is, there is something about, the nerdy sciency engineering thing about it that I think, you know, brought people on board and certainly did with original Trek as well.

255
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You know, there's not much like this, I think.

256
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I just had a very dark thought.

257
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What's that?

258
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That we do have to sit through 7 seasons of incredibly worthy Star Trek in order for the jokes to land in lower decks.

259
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It was worth going through all of this.

260
00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:01.740
Well, fortunately, we had done it anyway.

261
00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.799
You know, so we were kind of fine.

262
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Oh, here's Deanna being fucking useless.

263
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I can't tell whether he's not telling the truth.

264
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Even though he's a confidence trick star.

265
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Just a human being, it turns out, you know.

266
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That's right. particularly useless.

267
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There's a scene in a minute, right?

268
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It really does remind me of how simple some of the writer is on this show where she goes, oh, they do Turin plague.

269
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You can let us know in the future, whether, you know, we sold this medical issue.

270
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And then Rasmussen goes, ah, how interesting, how everybody channels, you know, interesting, different things about the future. you know given what their job is.

271
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And then we go to Rikers and then we go to war and then he says it again.

272
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Ah, do you know it?

273
00:18:54.299 --> 00:18:56.819
How wharf, it's exactly what I'll send you early.

274
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Yeah, he's into weapons.

275
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And this out anymore to me.

276
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Oh, in it.

277
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Like, you know, a little subtlety would be nice.

278
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Oh, I know.

279
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And they can do it.

280
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They can do it because we watched Darmok this year.

281
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So it's not like they can't, they can't.

282
00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:15.059
No, no, no, of course.

283
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I quite like this. is quite good.

284
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I like his relationship with Data the best and Data gets the best line in the whole thing, which is when they're in the show at the end.

285
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Comparing him to a Gutenberg Bible is pretty great.

286
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And I think that's a bit of a hint that he's, because there's that thing about him being a collector.

287
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We've had the most toys by this point, haven't we?

288
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That series four, I think.

289
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That's a great episode.

290
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

291
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But so he, you know, like collecting data, we're already kind of laying the ground because that's what he eventually does, isn't he?

292
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He tries to steal data as well.

293
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I feel like he should have lots of lines here about how utterly unimpressive the decor is in these guest quarters.

294
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Yes.

295
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.839
No, he does say it'll do.

296
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Do you know what I mean?

297
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I mean, I suppose it'll have to do for now.

298
00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:05.279
What he's really thinking is?

299
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Because obviously he's from a century past is why God.

300
00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.920
Look at this luxury around me, you know?

301
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We don't have this much carpet on the walls in the past.

302
00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.220
No, that's what we were thinking in 1991.

303
00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:23.579
And look, we have the sink that we don't have to realise because it's just out of shot.

304
00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:28.619
Ramone unashamed, Nathan, that I thought this was the height of luxury in 1993.

305
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Oh, no, I did too.

306
00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:30.779
Don't you worry.

307
00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:31.559
I did as well.

308
00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:41.880
So is data collecting, forgive me, the data of the things that you're stealing throughout the episode?

309
00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:44.039
Because it doesn't come a great surprise to them at the end.

310
00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:50.400
Uh, yeah, so we see him steal 2 or 3 things, don't we?

311
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Like, and he really obviously steals that thing from Beverly, um, It would have been nice to know that Beverly just went straight to the captain and said that asshole has just stolen my stupid scanner thing.

312
00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:11.339
But also, as well, when when the twist hits at the end, It just takes away anything that's potentially interesting about that character as well.

313
00:21:11.819 --> 00:21:22.799
Well, I mean, you saw we went into the ad break there with him sitting down after data had left raising an eyebrow and throwing the apple and it's kind of like, well, what am I supposed to make of that?

314
00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:24.779
Like what even is that?

315
00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:26.579
Okay, here's the window.

316
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.599
Now, I think it's got a California hillside out the back there as well.

317
00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:32.519
There's a bit of a tree.

318
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.859
It's a reasonable set.

319
00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:42.059
So here we are all of the usual enterprise consoles that are normally flat all up on the walls.

320
00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:44.700
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

321
00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.940
And some tellies, like they've embedded some tellies into the set there.

322
00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.700
I'm unashamed that I thought in 1993, that was the peak technology as well, though.

323
00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:57.480
I wanted to push those buttons so badly.

324
00:21:57.539 --> 00:21:59.339
Yeah, I do.

325
00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:00.839
Oh, God, here we go.

326
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:02.039
Techma babble city.

327
00:22:02.099 --> 00:22:03.720
I know this is real size.

328
00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:07.319
I know it all makes sense, but it's just not for me.

329
00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:10.200
And I know you're going to say I'm probably watching the wrong show then.

330
00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:14.579
But I mean, I think that that is kind of interesting.

331
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:31.259
It's a little bit like, and it doesn't have the scale, obviously, but that bit in Star Trek four, you know, where they're talking about the effect it's having on the atmosphere and stuff as the probe comes in and the window brakes. series of glorious set pieces in Star Trek 4 that are fun.

332
00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:32.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

333
00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:35.279
Where the cameras, but here we've got where it just...

334
00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:40.859
Yeah, look, look, Professor, come on over and then she looks at she looks at them to kind of go, oh, how are you going to react?

335
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.359
It's Beverly, when she's just being a normal person is as charming as hell.

336
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:46.619
It's wonderful.

337
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:47.400
Look at her.

338
00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:47.819
Is she?

339
00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:49.619
It's the date of day, Beverly.

340
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:50.759
The one that starts.

341
00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:51.180
Exactly.

342
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:58.259
But I don't think she's, she's at all, like he charms her at all.

343
00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:06.900
Like, I think she kind of likes it, but I don't think she buys it for a 2nd and I like that because, you know, the moment he tries to sort of hit on her.

344
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.140
She goes, yeah, I could be your grandmother.

345
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.700
Oh, that Lord.

346
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.359
It's very dodgy and quite funny.

347
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:17.519
That's one of a few funny lines for this.

348
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:20.940
Although I did wonder, you know, she thought, you know, I could fuck a guy from the future.

349
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.240
That's a good talking boy in the future.

350
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.180
Does she get someone to fuck this year?

351
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:30.240
Is the host in the series, hostess in series four, I think?

352
00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:31.440
Yeah.

353
00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.380
Well, she gets a romance every 2 years.

354
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:35.579
Yeah, okay.

355
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.819
They're either a slug or a ghost or a man from the future.

356
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.279
You know, it's it's never just a normal person.

357
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.599
But I mean, this question that Riker asks.

358
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:51.359
Like, I just don't, they're never, so that's all really super underdeveloped, right?

359
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:56.400
This should be a bigger deal if this really is the 1st time anyone from the future has come to the present.

360
00:23:56.460 --> 00:24:04.859
Oh, yeah, here this terribly boring scene. ring technology Well, no, but this is reminds me of what you said to me.

361
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:19.559
I think when we were watching faces, is that we've got to a point now with a TNG that even when a scene is as badly written as this and as laboured as this, that we know these characters well enough and they can inject a bit of personality into it.

362
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:23.759
So, what they're saying might be very dull, but you can watch it.

363
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:26.519
You know, they're fun to watch.

364
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.140
Beverly's relaxed.

365
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.220
Riker's pissed.

366
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.440
Warf is looking very pensive about something.

367
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.680
So it's funny that the warp coil's only 200 years old.

368
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.059
That's not true, is it?

369
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.839
Oh, it's about 220 years old.

370
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:43.980
Possibly tell you that.

371
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.240
Is that true or not?

372
00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:48.839
Well, isn't it developed in like 2140 and we do have phase pistols?

373
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:59.940
So obviously it would be ridiculous for them to say, oh, well, we can't do enterprise now because we established that phase phases didn't exist in the 22nd century, because that's where he's from, isn't it?

374
00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:01.859
Yes.

375
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.400
Yeah.

376
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:03.000
Yeah.

377
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:04.200
Do you know what?

378
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:06.000
I was trying to say in a very protracted way there.

379
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.140
I can put it in a sentence.

380
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.420
I think their chemistry is better than them. material.

381
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.339
Oh, yeah, I think that's true.

382
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.900
That what makes it watchable.

383
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:13.799
Yeah, yeah.

384
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.960
If they only gave them good lines as well.

385
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:17.160
It would be win-win.

386
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.240
It'd be amazing.

387
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.299
You see, I just think Geordie is so great.

388
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.599
Like he is so good.

389
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:26.039
I said over and over again.

390
00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:30.480
No one delivers techno babble like LeVar Burton, but he's also just charming and relaxed.

391
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:34.079
Can I raise that even further and say heroic?

392
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:41.819
The fact that he's given all of these dreadful scientific lines and somehow manages to deliver them with such passion.

393
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:50.400
Yeah, but I mean, in a way, heaps of this dialogue isn't really science fiction-y because it is just, you know, a thing.

394
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:55.440
Like it, it's sciency enough to be recognisable.

395
00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:01.079
And so we're not having to talk about verder on particles or fucking microfishes or any of that.

396
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.480
We are just talking about normal things.

397
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:21.059
And I guess the problem is that Star Trek can't afford to realise the planet beyond that fantastic CG shot with the, with the uh, snow and then that terrible window at the back of the set.

398
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.440
Right, delightfully, Nathan, you seem to be in the midst of on this zoom call.

399
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

400
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.200
Well, it was the obvious one to choose.

401
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:32.940
Oh, but Mark Hart, any other winning establishing shot.

402
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.559
You say Emmy winning.

403
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.859
I do wonder if they, you know, because Star Trek is popular at this point.

404
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.059
They just throw them a bone.

405
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.299
Oh, the Muse that had some quirky costumes in it.

406
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:43.859
There's an image. given that.

407
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

408
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.259
Maybe, maybe.

409
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.519
Oh, see, this.

410
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:48.240
I love this.

411
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:59.039
So he lists famous people who are blind in the past and he mentions Monet and Blake, William Blake, possibly.

412
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.259
I can't remember, but then just says wonder.

413
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:11.039
And again, like I just think that casual dropping of a 20th century contemporary reference is fun and not something that we get often enough.

414
00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:11.759
Oh, here we go.

415
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.000
No, no, that was that was quite sly.

416
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:18.599
That camera move because it was just in the middle of a dialogue.

417
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.339
There are worse to come where the camera lingers for ages on him stealing.

418
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.200
We make at the end of the scene, you know.

419
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:28.200
You know, it is very clear.

420
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:33.240
No, it is very clear that that is just a match shot. superimposed a lot of snow over there.

421
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:34.799
What do you want?

422
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.019
They're not going to go to an alien planet and shit.

423
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.980
What I want is for them to create a little model and throw in some real snow, you know?

424
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.779
That would be much more fun.

425
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:54.960
Can I say, yo, something that will upset, not that there are any homophobes or racists listening to entitled Star Trek project, but Lava Burton has the most kissable lips that I've ever seen pretty...

426
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.240
They're so...

427
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:58.559
I don't want get too kinky.

428
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.000
God, it's gorgeous.

429
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.400
Here we go.

430
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:04.200
Yes.

431
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.079
Yeah, see, this stuff's pretty good.

432
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:08.460
What are you complaining about?

433
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.779
Look, that is that stock footage of a thing that they've, I don't know.

434
00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:16.859
Same reason I don't go sit in an office and watch people going about their work.

435
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.779
It's not what I want to watch on the TV.

436
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.400
But I mean, that is heaps of TV is people of their jobs, isn't it?

437
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:27.900
That sort of procedural is at hospital. dramatically rendered, you know, with vivid characters.

438
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

439
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:33.960
Not just a load of science on Mintaka 68 or whatever this is.

440
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.059
It's Penthera 4.

441
00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:38.160
I wonder how they find those names.

442
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:39.359
I don't know.

443
00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:42.480
Mintaka's the planet where who watches the watches comes from.

444
00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:44.460
Oh, fabulous episode.

445
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

446
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.380
Yeah, yeah.

447
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.559
I do seem to keep saying to you every time we watch a TNG episode.

448
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.140
You mentioned a better one and I say, why aren't we watching that instead?

449
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.859
So I quite like that reaction from Riker.

450
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.900
Sorry.

451
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.160
I'm so aware of the window.

452
00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:00.240
Sorry, go on.

453
00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:10.019
So yeah, so Matt Ferrell comes in and just sits right in Riker's chair and Riker looks, am I going to be an arsehole about this?

454
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.059
Yeah, no, really, what's the point?

455
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.440
Which I thought was quite good.

456
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:19.799
I think, you know, the head scientist on this base sets that, where you wear your best jumpsuit today, all right?

457
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:21.420
We got visitors from the Enterprise.

458
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.980
That's right.

459
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:26.099
I'm wearing jumpsuits.

460
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.019
I don't know.

461
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.559
Mind you, Matt Frewer's costume, isn't that great either, is it?

462
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:32.579
It's very pretty.

463
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:38.519
Yeah, it's a little bit more interesting than the, I mean, you know, like casual wear on the Enterprise is always a bit rough.

464
00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:40.380
It's always a bit hit and miss, isn't it?

465
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:46.920
Um, you know, he's got a kind of, I don't know, it's a big flouncy thing, isn't it?

466
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:51.720
At least it doesn't look like it's come out the gap, which is what their usual sort of casual awareness like.

467
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

468
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:52.859
Yeah.

469
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.339
Yeah.

470
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.180
Why does he have, so is the watch that he has?

471
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:05.700
Is that meant to indicate to us that he doesn't come from the future after all because he's got a fucking stupid watch that's a ring that he has to open the thing for?

472
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.279
He seems to have like 2 buttons on it.

473
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.079
So I can't stick too much for it.

474
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.119
I don't know why it's here.

475
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:14.400
I mean, the, the, it's faced to...

476
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.960
The reason we keep cutting back to it is so we know we're on a timeline, isn't it?

477
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:20.579
And we're needing up.

478
00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:21.539
Truly exciting.

479
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.559
That's exactly what he said as he came in.

480
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:26.460
Look at Deanna.

481
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.400
She really is so pierced at him.

482
00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:30.180
It's wonderful.

483
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:32.940
I want us to watch one of those episodes, you know, where she goes evil.

484
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.319
Not just not PowerPlay.

485
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:38.579
Man of the People, you know, where she goes truly evil.

486
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:46.140
No, but here she's just saying, yeah, I've got other things to do and she's really, really sort of particularly pissed off.

487
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:52.019
And then, and then she gets the shits when he says Picard's empath.

488
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.859
Like, you know, just think she's really terrific in this.

489
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:59.519
It's still very sort of period trauma insult, so, isn't it?

490
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:05.160
Like, I wish TNG would get the stick out of his butt and she could just turn around and say, you know what, you're an arsehole.

491
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:05.940
I unlike you.

492
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.980
That's the problem, isn't it?

493
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:10.259
And like the problem is never solved.

494
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:17.519
It's a bit better in Deep Space Nine and still bad in Voyager, where they're all just space people, you know.

495
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.980
Drop the airs, you know?

496
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.380
Yeah, yeah, picant empath.

497
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.720
Good for you, Marina.

498
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:32.460
She's killing it I like, he says you don't like me and she goes, I don't dislike you.

499
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:36.000
Why should you care whether I trust you or not?

500
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.539
He does seem to want to be liked, doesn't he?

501
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.380
Well, he's a confidence trickster, I guess.

503
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.039
You know.

504
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.900
Yeah, she goes, you, you're right.

505
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:46.559
I don't trust you.

506
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.500
What you should say is, you're a prick and just walk out.

507
00:31:55.559 --> 00:32:00.059
The Beverly walks in and says, I'm glad to see you 2 finally getting along.

508
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:03.420
Look at Beverly's hair as well.

509
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.200
I don't think guys ever look more lustrous than it does right now.

510
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:08.460
It's pretty great.

511
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.599
You only get this commentary on on titles Star Trek project, you know?

512
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:14.279
Yeah, people here.

513
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:16.740
Matt through his hair is pretty special, I think, too.

514
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.319
It's sort of nutty professor.

515
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.279
It's going off every day.

516
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.480
It is absolutely that, isn't it?

517
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.759
That's not what I look like when I get out of the bed in the morning.

518
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.940
Oh, no, it's her body language and they'll say no.

519
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.220
She sort of, it's very flirtatious.

520
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.859
Well, no, but I'm getting that sort of hilarious, like, I think you are funny.

521
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.299
Like, I think it, like, you're funny, not deliberately funny.

522
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.500
I just think you are funny and I'm not falling for your shit.

523
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:47.880
Like, it's just like, why?

524
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.160
I think, no, she's not doing it like that.

525
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:53.279
How can you equate this to that zombie?

526
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.900
That talks medical babble all the time.

527
00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:55.740
Well, yeah.

528
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.859
But she, like, she's not LeVar Burton.

529
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.799
You know, she can't do the technobabble like Levakian.

530
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:05.880
No one can do the technobabil like that. smiling at him.

531
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:09.539
You're having fun with this shit.

532
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.240
She's toying with him, I think, is the idea.

533
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.180
Great, great, great grandmother.

534
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.839
That's gonna kill any passion immediately, isn't it?

535
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:20.880
That was the point of it though, wasn't it?

536
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:22.559
That was entirely the point of that line.

537
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.619
If he did have a hard on and blinks.

538
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:30.960
She smiles and does a little blink and then like just watches him go, ha, ha, ha.

539
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.859
She went... been played like that.

540
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.240
They've been played like that.

541
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:37.559
I think I would have been on board.

542
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:45.960
But then, what, she immediately goes to Mr. Wharf and says that prick stole my thing, I reckon, that's what's happening.

543
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.720
Oh, it was fun there.

544
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.660
Yeah, more that.

546
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.359
The the subtitles said alarm ringing.

547
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:55.980
That means we're due from Technobabble.

548
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.839
Two earthquakes.

549
00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:02.579
Both epicentres and the 2 submote poles are the planet captain.

550
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.420
Oh good grief.

551
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.799
No, but it's just a bit.

552
00:34:04.859 --> 00:34:18.420
No, I love the, I love the hilarious special effect where, you know, we get the map of the drilling sites and then the map of the earthquakes and then we move them so they're on top of each other and it's like, 0 my god, the earthquakes are all on the drilling side.

553
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.460
To be fair, that's pretty good.

554
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:27.059
Yeah, to be fair, they are, like, I can see where the special effects MBS come from because they are trying to show us in lots of different ways.

555
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.380
How this?

556
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.099
Yeah, I just wish it was a more exciting catastrophe.

557
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.659
No, and I think part of the problem is that you don't care about the people.

558
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.739
It is still a bit Planet Zog. and so all you have is I'm not invested in a great junction.

559
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.000
No, not really.

560
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:43.019
That's right.

561
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.360
Maybe if they wore better clothes, I would be.

562
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:46.139
Maybe.

563
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.820
It's not quite Veridian 3.

564
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:54.000
Like, it's not quite as bad or Veridian 4, which is the planet that generation is to destroy that we don't care about.

565
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.460
That will always be the Nadir, wouldn't it?

566
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

567
00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:00.840
Lack of interest in a planet in trouble. don't care.

568
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:04.380
I mean, at least Geordie's down there.

569
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.159
Do you know what I mean?

570
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:21.480
So, so we have to do something else because what we've done has done the exact opposite of what we intended and poured more particles into the atmosphere because now we've got volcanos going off and more ash and this, this, this, look.

571
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:24.719
Oh my god, the eruption sites in the phaser drill sites are the same place.

572
00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:26.699
Well, of course they are.

573
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.719
The only way we could possibly have any drama in this thing.

574
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.539
God, no wonder they took DS9 to war.

575
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.059
If this was a day of the opposite on TNG.

576
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.460
But war is easy.

577
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.019
This was great.

578
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.000
He goes, we came here to help him, Riker says, and Picard goes, and look what we've done.

579
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:48.480
And neither one of them sounds the slightest bit bothered.

580
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:52.320
But that looked like proper ad break acting, didn't it?

581
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:53.340
But there we go.

582
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.159
I don't know, they just deliver the lines so half-heartedly.

583
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:59.400
I think they know this is a midseason episode, you know?

584
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.300
Yeah, yeah.

585
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.699
I think that's probably it I love this.

586
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.780
This is really funny.

587
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:13.619
So he, he can listen up to up to 100 pieces of music at a time, but when he wants to appreciate how lovely they are.

588
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.079
Their aesthetic qualities he can really only do about 10.

589
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.260
And at the moment he's only listening to four.

590
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.179
And I think that's really funny.

591
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:30.480
The other funny thing is that Brent thinks that he's speaking Spanish and says La Dona, a Mobile, instead of La Dona, Mobile.

592
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:31.199
So there you go.

593
00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:33.119
I mean, you would know that.

594
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:34.619
Well, no that's not true.

595
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.360
A Spanish person might as well.

596
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.000
Well, yeah, no Americans are supposed to speak Spanish.

597
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:39.420
Come on.

598
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.139
Well, I'll say it again.

599
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.539
I do think I think their relationship.

600
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.139
I mean, this is as cat and mouse as we get on this episode.

601
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.139
And it's still not great, you know?

602
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.940
No, no, no.

603
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.139
Imagine.

604
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:01.800
Imagine Matt Thruer beaming in and having scenes with Shatner, you know, imagine how they'd sizzle as they're sort of playing around each other.

605
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:11.099
Yeah, I just think there's not quite enough scepticism as well.

607
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:23.099
See, the other episode that I was thinking of where there are earthquakes and shit is Devil's Stew from last year, and I love...

608
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.000
I'm starting to come round to the fact that actually is quite fun compared to this bullshit.

609
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:28.260
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

610
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.260
But that is really fun, but there's scepticism.

611
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:37.980
We don't believe Ardra, and we don't believe Ardra, because we know religions are not true.

612
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:44.039
And so, um, But you know, the whole thing is made so fun because she comes down all camp and just goes, oh, those people.

613
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:44.760
Never mind.

614
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:46.679
You know, she's...

615
00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:49.860
It's almost doing the lower decks thing, you know?

616
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.239
I'm taking the piss out of the danger.

617
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.699
Isn't it the same plot?

618
00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:05.820
I mean, we have a confidence trickstar who uses technology to fake that she's Andra and uses technology that's available to the enterprise as well?

619
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.340
And so they're never not sceptical.

620
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.079
They're never for a 2nd convinced.

621
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.400
Here.

622
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:16.199
No one pushes back against the preposterous premise.

623
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.900
And because it turns out it's not true.

624
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.380
He's not able to kind of prove anything or say anything.

625
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.219
They all just buy it.

626
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.659
They all just go along with it.

627
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.920
They do his...

628
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.539
Whilst being irritated.

629
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.380
Yeah.

630
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:39.420
And and we don't have the temporal prime directive or anything like that yet because time travel is such a minor part of the show at this point.

631
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.800
It hasn't happened a lot of times.

632
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:47.099
And so all of that stuff about not interfering with the past and stuff isn't in place yet.

633
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:57.360
And remember, Picard says if you have any equivalent of the prime directive but for time travel, you know, you won't be able to tell me the thing.

634
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.739
And I kind of think, well, that would be the temporal prime directive, wouldn't it?

635
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.340
You know, like eventually we come up with that and it's not in very many years.

636
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:12.300
So it's all sort of very ill formed and I just don't think that that works as well as everyone and kind of imagines it does.

637
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.980
I think you're right.

638
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:20.219
The only objection they have is to his character, I'm not what he's there to do, and that is an issue.

639
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.719
Because you can't prove anything.

640
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:22.619
Do you know what I mean?

641
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:28.800
He can't prove that his, all that we've got is that his spaceship did a warpy thing that we hear about.

642
00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.880
We don't even see it.

643
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.099
So nothing remarkable beyond that.

644
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.380
That's his credential and they all believe him.

645
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.719
Now this is act four.

646
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:38.219
It's one scene.

647
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.619
So between the ad breaks.

648
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:41.880
It's just one scene.

649
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:46.800
The centrepiece of the episode. and it is actually talking about something.

650
00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:54.179
And I do like Picard saying, you know, I have toyed with the prime director at times and I need to do so again now.

651
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:55.139
Please help me.

652
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.360
I like it when he's humble like this.

653
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.380
Yeah.

654
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:03.179
Yeah. and and so the that B plot is designed.

655
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:04.619
So things go horribly wrong.

656
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:12.960
They've now got a thing where they're trying to ionise the particle so that they fall out of the air or whatever, but it risks burning off the atmosphere.

657
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.699
And so that's super clear.

658
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.780
Do you know what I mean?

659
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.099
It's clear what the stakes are.

660
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:23.460
And it's at the end of that thing where he thinks, 0 my god, I have someone from the future here.

661
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:32.219
And so that's where the 2 plots really dovetail and that's what that, you know, B plot exists for is to make this necessary.

662
00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:44.099
And I think the points that it makes like it gets it right in a way that science fiction generally gets it wrong, I think, because...

663
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.780
Well, I'm not a big fan of the idea that it's wrong to change the past.

664
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:52.500
Because if it's wrong to change the past, then it's wrong to change the present.

665
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:55.380
And that is what Picard says.

666
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.639
This is my present.

667
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:01.440
If it's wrong to change the future, you know, then it's wrong to do anything.

668
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:07.679
Like, why does the fact that you come from the future mean that doing the same thing is wrong for you?

669
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:11.099
Like it just makes no sense.

670
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:19.199
And regardless of whatever happens in this conversation and everything leading out to it, he still has to make a choice either way.

671
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.780
Whether he's influenced by...

672
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:25.980
That's the conclusion he draws, no, I'm in exactly the same situation I was in before.

673
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:26.699
We had this conversation.

674
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:32.460
And at no point, because we're not really thinking about time travel in any way.

675
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:48.420
At no point do we get the obvious thing from Frua, where he never says, okay, let's say I tell you that everyone died, and then you act in a way to prevent that from happening.

676
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:56.340
Then, Why would I tell you that everyone died if I come from the future and that didn't happen?

677
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:57.300
Do you know what I mean?

678
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:04.079
Like, you could do some kind of, like, it breaks the narrative in some way or it does, you know, the sort of thing they do in Doctor Who all the time.

679
00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:13.860
I do like that he mentions, you know, that dreadful, Oh, well, what if the one person that survives turns out to be Hitler or can't sing?

680
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:20.460
And then he goes, yeah, every bloody 1st year student. yeah Or that philosophy legend. you very much.

681
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.980
Yeah, that's right, but that's a good reason for not saving people from house fires or car accidents.

682
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:26.579
Do you know what I mean?

683
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:32.940
Like, what happens if the person that I give CPR to who's collapsed on the street grows up to come Hitler?

684
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:33.900
Do you know what I mean?

685
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.639
Like, that's a stupid consideration.

686
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:38.280
How can you possibly make moral decisions on that basis?

687
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:40.320
It's just ridiculous?

688
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:43.619
And Picard is right all the way through.

689
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.300
He is.

690
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.099
This is the one scene that is criticising what for his character is here to do.

691
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.840
It's the only scene, isn't it?

692
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:53.039
There's questioning.

693
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:54.780
He's not here to do that even, though.

694
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:55.619
Do you know what I mean?

695
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:08.280
Like, and and I'm super interested in how we're expecting him to play his final refusal, because I think what would be interesting.

696
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:23.880
What would be interesting and what would make him less of a cartoon character is if he was horrified that he had put himself in the position where all these people thought he could give them the answer to that question.

697
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.539
And when he says, I'm sorry, Captain, I just can't tell you.

698
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:31.139
What if we, what if he meant that?

699
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:35.219
What if it was just shit?

700
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.159
I'm in this position, but I don't know the answer.

701
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:40.619
There's no answer that I can possibly give you.

702
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:50.159
I can't make myself responsible for the decision that you've made because everything I've told you about coming from the future is a lie and I don't know how this ends.

703
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:51.300
Do you know what I mean?

704
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.800
Well, they don't go there.

705
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:58.320
Would they nearly, you can just about squint and see through a trying to play it like that?

706
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:03.900
I like the fact that you see a bit of anger in this scene, that you see a bit of pressure.

707
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:08.400
It's the only point in this whole episode where somebody sort of loses their rap.

708
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

709
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.039
And Picant's right.

710
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:13.320
You're gonna manipulate, you're trying to manipulate the future.

711
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:13.679
Yes.

712
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:14.639
Do you know what I mean?

713
00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:16.320
Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the future.

714
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:17.699
We do it all the time.

715
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.079
That's precisely what we do.

716
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:22.019
We call it making choices and we're allowed to do that.

717
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.820
That's not morally wrong in itself.

718
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.139
It's necessary.

719
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:25.980
We have to do it.

720
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.380
I do wonder if this is a bit long though.

721
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.780
It sort of is going around in circles.

722
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.559
He's making the same point about 5 times, Picard.

724
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:37.800
Yeah, well I get, I guess it's just sort of underwritten.

725
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:40.079
Like, I just think Rick Berman, do you know what I mean?

726
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.760
And maybe the show at this point as well.

727
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.719
And again, I'm going to go back to through it.

728
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:51.420
I do wonder if it would land better with a more sophisticated actor in that round.

729
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:52.139
What's that?

730
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.579
Please don't ask me, Captain.

731
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.300
I can't help you.

732
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.239
And like he's...

733
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:58.139
But I don't feel for him.

734
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:04.800
No, but do you think I think he's playing that as a truthful moment, don't you?

735
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.960
I think he's saying, I'm not from the future.

736
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:08.280
You know, like I can't help you.

737
00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:08.820
I'm sorry.

738
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.719
Please don't ask me.

739
00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:16.739
Whereas still, at this point, we're supposed to think that he is from the future, and he's obeying a set of rules.

740
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.420
Please don't ask me to tell you.

741
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.679
Yeah, yeah.

742
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:26.460
But again, we've never been super convinced by him being from the future anyway.

743
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.719
That's what the conclusion that Captain Picard draws, how precious the right to choose is.

744
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:32.880
Yes.

745
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.039
Make a bloody choice then.

746
00:45:35.099 --> 00:45:36.780
Come on, let's get it done.

747
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.159
He's not going to play it safe.

748
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:40.380
I like that.

749
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.440
I actually like. a good thing. do you know what?

750
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:46.139
It is underwritten, but I don't think the dialogue is terrible.

751
00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:47.099
No.

752
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.699
And it is at least interesting, you know?

753
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.420
It's trying to do something interesting with the premise for about 2 minutes.

754
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:55.860
Yeah, that's right.

755
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:56.880
Five minutes.

756
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:57.900
Now we're back to this.

757
00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:01.800
No, there's lightning coming through the window.

758
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.480
Yeah.

759
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:05.940
And again, it's not just his decision either.

760
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.380
That's the thing too.

761
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:16.980
It's not Picard's put in a decision where in a position where he has to make a decision or not make a decision because everyone like a Mosley and the whole planet.

762
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.019
They've all agreed that we're going to do that.

763
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:34.440
I'm going to ask you to squint as well and imagine an episode where, you know, that argument that we just had was married to a truly gripping, you know, yeah, environmental disaster or scenario.

764
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.300
Yeah, where we really cared.

765
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.099
It would make it land even more, wouldn't it?

766
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:47.099
We'd be like, well, this is the hinge point of this episode and I really care what happens to these people.

767
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.880
This is very dramatic.

768
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:52.679
Well, they can't do it because they can't depict a planet on Star Trek at this point.

769
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:53.760
Do you know what I mean?

770
00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:55.199
They can do an establishing shot.

771
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:57.119
They can do the 3 people in a room.

772
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:59.820
There's a bit of lightning happening there out the window.

773
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:03.059
I think they can go back to who watches the watchers.

774
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.719
That was a really interestingly depicted planet with the same argument.

775
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:07.860
Can we interfere?

776
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.000
What choice can we make?

777
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:09.599
Yeah, yeah.

778
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:11.400
They can do one person.

779
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:13.980
Yeah.

780
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.159
Well, and that's done with lots of fabulous location work.

781
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:18.420
I'm totally sold on that money.

782
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.380
Yeah, that's right.

783
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:20.159
Yeah, that's true.

784
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:22.079
Yeah, here we go now.

785
00:47:22.139 --> 00:47:24.179
Yeah, yeah, some proper special effects.

786
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:28.559
These must be the sort of high definition ones that have been replaced.

787
00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:30.659
I wonder what the originals were like.

788
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.920
Yeah, yeah, I did mean to go back and have one.

789
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:38.639
Blue cloud cover or whatever. plasma particles coming over the planet.

790
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.900
Yeah, well that, no, I think that's like the real thing coming back.

791
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:49.260
And I think for a 2nd it looks like it's gone wrong, although we know that it's not the moment whether we know that Geordie's on the ship.

792
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.739
Matt Ford gets to do a bit of sort of shake the camera acting.

793
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.679
Yes, the ship is buffered about, you know.

794
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:57.960
And he's looking concerned there.

795
00:47:58.019 --> 00:48:01.079
He's playing concern because he doesn't know how this is going to turn out.

796
00:48:01.139 --> 00:48:03.960
So he but no one's paying any attention to him.

797
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:04.380
So.

798
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.539
Oh, that was fabulous.

799
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:11.159
That was another stock shop from a counterfoulpoint, but with the special effect put over the top of it.

800
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:12.780
Bravo.

801
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:20.639
I think the ship turning around is stock, though, like that ship turning around, but that shot from behind the back of it is, I think.

802
00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:23.820
Oh, oh, it's all alright, Captain.

803
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:24.539
We're still breathing.

804
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:25.559
Yeah, of course.

805
00:48:25.619 --> 00:48:27.119
Of course we are.

806
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:30.840
Othello goes, you know, oh, I could kiss you, Captain Picard.

807
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:31.380
Thank you.

808
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:54.239
I, I really like, there's something about the way these things are directed where, you know, you're down on the, like, something which this show does more than TOS does, which is the communication enables them to all be in the same place, no matter where they are, and that conversations happen just between people in kind of different places.

809
00:48:54.300 --> 00:49:02.639
And I do like that when you have the characters down on the planet looking into the camera and stuff as if they're talking to us, I think that's kind of cool.

810
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:06.539
A climax feels so functional after all that dialogue.

811
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.639
It's just like, well, I'll be off then, captain.

812
00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:09.480
That's that dumb.

813
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:09.780
Yep.

814
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:10.260
You know?

815
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:15.059
It should feel like a triumph, you know, that he's overcome.

816
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:21.900
He's gone through this moral dilemma and they've had a great result, but it's just like, no, you know, thank you, Captain Picard.

817
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:22.500
See you later.

818
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:31.920
Well, it's this, but I mean, none of them goes, this is very, see, they're not, they already know, don't they?

819
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:33.179
Do they know what they're saying?

820
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:34.800
Yeah, they're looking...

821
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:36.059
No, but did they know?

822
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.579
Did they know when Picard was having that speech?

823
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:45.599
I don't think that speech works if he, if, or no, that means he's lying for the whole thing.

824
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.079
No, from the past, do they?

825
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.639
They don't know that he's from the past.

826
00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:54.480
Just as Matt Threwer left during that big old scene. stealing shit.

827
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:58.860
That's when wolf walked in and went. you know, we've got a lot of things going missing.

828
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:04.920
Oh, the I said to you, the inside that this shuttle looks just like the gift wrap I sell in my shop.

829
00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:08.820
This sort of hologramatic gift bags all over the world.

830
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.219
What was it Cogenitor or something?

831
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.199
What was the one?

832
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:16.559
No, no, no. past future tense, something like that.

833
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:27.719
No, no, I'm thinking, no, I'm thinking of something in enterprise where they use that kind of hologrammatic printed wallpaper in some episode, which I thought was very 60s trek.

834
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:29.699
It was co-genitor.

835
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.000
No.

836
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:30.960
Oh, maybe.

837
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.079
It was the one where the... was unexpected, wasn't it?

838
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:35.280
Oh, yes.

839
00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:36.239
Yes, yes, yes.

840
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:38.519
What he was going on in that trippy spaceship, wasn't it?

841
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:42.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah Sniffing magic muffrooms.

842
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:46.800
I quite like the door handle and stuff.

843
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:48.300
I mean, if we'd seen more of that.

844
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.440
Do you know what I mean?

845
00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:56.340
Like if we'd seen, if he had brought some technology from the future to sell to us that he was from the future.

846
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:06.900
And if they had been impressed by it and had been pestering him about the future more urgently, and he'd, like he does make it clear in the episode, he's not going to answer those.

847
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:07.559
I think that looks great.

848
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:08.219
Look at that.

849
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.320
Nice chairs.

850
00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:12.059
It's okay.

851
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:13.920
He's stolen it.

852
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:16.500
He's stolen at one of Worf's knives as well.

853
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.000
And one of Geordie's voices.

854
00:51:18.059 --> 00:51:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

855
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.960
He's going to make our minds in the past, yeah.

856
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:24.179
Well, he did ask about the visor, didn't he?

857
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:24.599
Yeah.

858
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.480
Data does get a wonderful line here about.

859
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.280
I'm assuming your hand for your work.

860
00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:31.260
We could, whether you're conscious or not.

861
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:40.800
It's so great because he's been being threatened and he hasn't reacted to it because of course, um, his data.

862
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:51.599
But then he says something just massively threatening to through it. kind of, I am now going to knock you unconscious unless you cooperate. is essentially what I'm saying.

863
00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.119
I did just see a boom mic in shot there.

864
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:55.260
Just for a 2nd.

865
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:56.159
Yeah.

866
00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:08.099
Even in the 90s. it's probably just a low roof Because they're doing something to the sound in here to make it sound like a confined space too, aren't they?

867
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:15.239
I remember the Star Trek program, guys, by Paul Cornell, Keith Topping and Martin Day.

868
00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:16.320
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

869
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:23.519
Giving this a hugely positive appraisal, but disliking the ending because they say Rasmussen's such a likeable man.

870
00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:35.639
I'm not sure I'll buy that, that it feels, it feels wrong, that, that he's sort of arrested at the end of the episode, and it actually makes the Starfleet characters...

871
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.679
Yeah, it's even very unlikeable.

872
00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:41.219
Whereas, yeah, Picard's lied. welcome to the 24th century.

873
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:41.940
I think it's great.

874
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:55.920
In fact, what it's like the ironic punishment is that he will now spend the rest of his life filling in questionnaires and being patronised by people who are actually from the future.

875
00:52:55.980 --> 00:52:58.019
You know where he's going, don't you?

876
00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.219
The Day Strow Institute.

877
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:00.239
That's where he's going.

878
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.079
He's from Institute.

879
00:53:01.139 --> 00:53:01.559
That's right.

880
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.840
But, you know, he's going to be patronised.

881
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:04.920
I think that's really good.

882
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:16.199
And I also think deactivating the gun remotely is clever, you know, once the door is open, we can automatically deactivate all the weapons, and that's cool.

883
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.239
Just all feels flat.

884
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:24.179
Yeah.

886
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.300
And I'm just not sure Nighty Shrek can do it.

887
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:36.480
You know, I go bang on a lot about the episode with the fake Janeway and Chevok, where they're going around planets and falling people into thinking they're the...

888
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.760
That is so flat as well, you know.

889
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:42.780
It's like they just can't have enough fun to make it really fun.

890
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.039
No.

891
00:53:44.099 --> 00:53:46.500
Have we had we have had Andra.

892
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:51.659
See, I think Andre is a confidence trickster who is pretending to be something that she's not and she is really fun.

893
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.599
But it's less sort of witty that's more camp.

894
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:56.579
If you like a bit of camp, yeah, yeah.

895
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.500
Yeah, maybe that's it.

896
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.320
And what about the outrageous O'Connor?

897
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:05.760
Where Sexy William O'Canbell comes on...

898
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:07.019
I mean, he fucks Terri Hash up.

899
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:08.400
That's about audio issues.

900
00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:09.360
Well, there you go.

901
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:13.019
And he's back in prodigy a fair bit too.

902
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:16.139
Oh, they do want on DF9 as well. rivals.

903
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.519
Do you remember that fellow Martyrs, who comes on the station with those gambling machines?

904
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.320
And he's a convict.

905
00:54:22.380 --> 00:54:24.059
It's so boring.

906
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.440
They just can't do it.

907
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:26.880
They can't do it.

908
00:54:26.940 --> 00:54:28.019
Confidence streak star.

909
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:28.559
No.

910
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:31.380
Maybe maybe we'll all come across one.

911
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:36.059
But it's like, it's like they're trying to recapture Harry Mudd. are they?

912
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.260
Yeah, they just can't find that.

913
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:38.219
That's what I was thinking too.

914
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.659
And they don't manage to do it.

915
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:47.400
And I think it's telling the discovery attempts Harry Martin in season one. it lands makes him terrifying as well.

916
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:55.320
Yeah, but also camp and funny too. and it's kind of like we can do this 90 straight couldn't but we can do it now.

917
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:03.840
Well, I have to say that was a very middling episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

918
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:10.500
We may have tempted fate recently by suggesting that we've done too many good and bad episodes and that we need some middling episodes.

919
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:13.320
And that delivered with great results.

920
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.119
Yeah, yeah.

921
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:19.500
I mean, the next episode is new ground, and that is thoroughly tedious.

922
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.239
Can get the comes back.

923
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:22.139
Yeah.

924
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:23.880
It's the only the only thing that happens in it.

925
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:30.840
There's another sort of environmental disaster and there's these little puppet creatures called Gilvos that Alexander likes in the school.

926
00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:33.900
And when the enterprise is almost destroyed at the end.

927
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.380
Wharf has to go and rescue the little guild.

928
00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:38.340
Yeah, yeah.

929
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.360
It is awful.

930
00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:41.400
I love puppets, though.

931
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.579
I'm a big fan of puppet aliens in Star Trek.

932
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.519
What are you going to buy the Nagus, the one he was stroking in the Nagus.

933
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:47.940
Do you remember?

934
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:48.780
No, no.

935
00:55:48.840 --> 00:56:03.000
I'm thinking the one that, um, this is very weird scene in the most toys, where there's that weird hand puppet in a fish tank, and Data's feeding it and just going, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou.

936
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:10.260
I really, tonelessly for no reason, and it's just sort of fantastically weird and and odd.

937
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:16.019
Could I suggest it is possibly telling that instead of summarising our thoughts on this episode?

938
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:21.179
We are talking about more fun other episodes. the next generation. right.

939
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:25.739
I don't think it is an irredeemable premise.

940
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.079
I think it could be gray.

941
00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:29.099
It isn't.

942
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:30.179
No.

943
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.480
And there's one very passable scene.

944
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.420
And the rest sort of just ticks by.

945
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.440
Yeah.

946
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:44.340
Look, I mean, I like this version of Star Trek, and so I am kind of happy to watch them turn up and do their jobs in a way.

947
00:56:44.340 --> 00:56:55.079
And because it's also been kind of roundly mocked in lower decks, that whole sort of version of Star Trek, I find myself feeling very affectionate towards it.

948
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:57.239
Justifiably mocked, I would say.

949
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:58.800
Yeah, 0 yeah, no, I agree.

950
00:56:58.860 --> 00:57:08.460
But they're doing some things for the 1st time here and they're attempting the giant premise, which is their job, isn't it?

951
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.880
It's this week is the one where the guy comes back from the past.

952
00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:16.860
This week is the one where Picard has to speak to an alien on an alien planet.

953
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.019
You know, this is the one where the game happens.

954
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:32.699
Like, they're doing big giant memorable premises, which is exactly what they need to be doing, but I just think maybe a combination of Rick Berman's writing and Robin Williams's absence kind of sink this one.

955
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:38.099
Yeah, and I do think some premises tickle my testicles better than others.

956
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:42.059
And stuff like the game and disaster and things like that.

957
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.900
Yeah, you know, where there is a bit more of an injection of character.

958
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:56.820
Think of those, all those pair offs in disaster and various parts of the ship. or the excellent romantic chemistry between Robin Leffler and Wesley Crusher in the game.

959
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:01.079
There's sort of nothing to hang this one on in terms of character work.

960
00:58:01.139 --> 00:58:10.739
So if you're less enamoured with a day in the life of the Enterprise D crude as I am, there isn't much to enjoy.

961
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:12.840
Yeah.

962
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:24.599
Well, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to find out what we're going to be doing next time.

963
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.559
This was my pick last week.

964
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.760
And so it's your turn with the Randomiser, Joe, what series are we choosing?

965
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:37.980
I am choosing all of Kurtzman Star Trek.

966
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:44.159
We have spent far too long watching mediocre 90s trek, and it's time for us to watch something with production value.

967
00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:47.699
Yeah, it's a mediocre 21st century trick, probably.

968
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:49.260
Okay.

969
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:50.639
All right press the button.

970
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:51.780
Right.

971
00:58:52.019 --> 00:59:00.719
Your Star Trek Discovery episode is season four, episode eight, all in.

972
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:08.519
So, this is the episode where, so we have that fight.

973
00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:11.219
It may actually be after but to connect, I think.

974
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:13.079
See, after the midseason break.

975
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:35.400
I think it's after the mid-season break and it is we go to a casino planet where Book and Michael play poker in order to get some, you know, phlebottonum or something, some unobtanium, some McGuffin, and... they play out the conflict that they have their interpersonal conflict.

976
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:47.699
It's very Star Trekie in the midst of a plot that has been very sombre and serious, has seen books planet destroyed and all of that, and it's kind of, all right, off to a casino planet for a game of poker.

977
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:55.380
They have all the energy, fun, and wit that was lacking from a matter of time, from memory, yes.

978
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.599
Well, then that's the one we're going to do.

979
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:06.179
Because and I think it's, I think it's worth us going back to season 4 of Discovery, so we can talk about that a bit more as well.

980
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:12.000
Although really, what we need to do is push to the end of the season where it all culminates.

981
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.760
Where we tend to land is in the middle.

982
01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:17.219
But, hey, it's a good season by all accounts.

983
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:18.179
So, yeah.

984
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:19.739
Okay, brilliant. lets do that.

985
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:20.699
Let's do it.

986
01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:35.099
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

987
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:41.219
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

988
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:46.739
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

989
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:52.199
This episode was recorded on the 6th of February, 2024, and released on the 9th of February.

990
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:56.039
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery. all in.

991
01:01:12.539 --> 01:01:13.980
Okay.

992
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.300
Sounds fun.

993
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.820
Just let me check out that stride.

994
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:20.400
Star Trek Discovery coming home.

995
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:34.380
I keep hearing about the DMA, which is the Digital Marketing Act, the Digital Markets Act in the EU, but all I hear is dark matter anomaly, which is from season four.

996
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.000
Have you noticed this?

997
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.340
What's that?

998
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.980
Jama's got a randomiser.

999
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:44.699
That one's not original out there these days.

1000
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.260
Did he just put it up?

1001
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.219
Was it our idea?

1002
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.360
because we've been mocking him?

1003
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:54.480
Say, ah, so Bam gets 2.5 stars.

1004
01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:57.480
Wait, I want to see what he gives this episode.

1005
01:01:57.539 --> 01:01:58.739
Hang on, where are we?

1006
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.960
I love it. b, b, b, b.

1007
01:02:01.019 --> 01:02:02.699
No, it's having fun and he won't love it.

1008
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.400
Are all in.

1009
01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah.

1010
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.940
Oh, 2 stars. 2 or four.

1011
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.440
No, that's bullshit.

1012
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:19.860
All in disgrace the subject, but not the spirit of this week's discovery episode, a routine stopgap sort of episode, lacking ambition.

1013
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.699
No, no, that's absolutely not what it is.

1014
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.739
It's putting them all together.

1015
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.099
It is the episode after straight after but to connect.

1016
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:34.079
So the scene where he flies off in the spaceship and she's there going, oh, shit.

1017
01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:39.119
And then we have to wait for like 2 months.

1018
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:48.599
No, like 6 weeks and then the show comes back and it introduces just this incredible run of 6 episodes starting with all in.

1019
01:02:48.659 --> 01:03:01.619
And what all in does is take what was a big political conflict, and a big personal conflict that was too big for them to speak about, and then puts them in the episode together to talk about it, and to compete with one another.

1020
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.480
And it's like it's ridiculous, but it's properly ridiculous in a Star Trek way.

1021
01:03:06.539 --> 01:03:10.920
I was just saying more, uh, What the comments.

1022
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.480
Oh, because they they will agree with you.

1023
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:18.059
I'm sorry, they will disag, they will disagree.

1024
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:18.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1025
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.280
Not really. couple.

1026
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:26.760
Um, Oh, I'm going in blind.

1027
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:28.079
I don't really know anything, do I?

1028
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:32.159
Although he does say here, the inclusion of a DS9 changeling as a casual throwaway.

1029
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:34.079
Yeah, that's one.

1030
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:36.659
Yeah, exciting. exciting.

1031
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:38.159
Okay.

1032
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:39.239
Wow, yeah.

1033
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:40.920
That'll be this one.

1034
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.059
Let me save this.

1035
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.059
Let me quickly jump in the bath.

1036
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.320
Uh, but...

1037
01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:50.400
I mean, yeah, that was fun.

1038
01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:51.900
That was, well, it was fun talking to you.

1039
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah