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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back sooner than we expected with Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, and this is Star Trek in its imperial phase, which is

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roughly speaking, seasons three, four, and five.

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How do you think this stacks up with your expectations last week?

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Well, were my expectations last week?

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I was inter...

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I was quite positive when this popped up on the randomiser.

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You did say that they were aliens in it that would give the Boma a

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run for their money, so I'm not quite sure what was happening

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there.

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I must have been misremembering.

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Yeah Well, I figured there were some weird designed aliens in

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this.

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And in fact, no, it's our standard humanoid aliens in boring

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costumes spouting a load of dull technobabble.

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I mean, they were as dull as the Beaumont.

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Does that count?

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They're the people that Mariner makes fun of all the time on lower

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decks, you know, the sort of science colonist people who all wear

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the same jumpsuits and stuff.

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And so it's...

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It's what they have in Lois Decks, where they always talk about

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you know, 0 my god, we need to get there to stop this impending

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disaster.

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That's these people that they're talking about, you know?

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Yeah exactly.

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So this is a very Star Trek the Next Generation episode.

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And it's really, really a bit run of a meal, and I don't think

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that the conceit is quite enough to lift it out of that.

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It doesn't quite work.

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I said to you in a message whilst I was, I was sort of giving

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Nathan a running commentary as I was going through this.

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Oh, very unimpressed comments.

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You could tell the tone, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I knew you could.

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You were given very considered answers.

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And I think this could have been fantastic if this wasn't a Star

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Trek, the next generation episode because it is a fun premise.

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The idea of somebody from the future, coming back to the past

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which is what they run with for two-thirds of the airport.

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No, more than that, about 90% of the episode.

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That's a really fun idea.

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Trouble is, is it's married to our stock TNG lot of, oh dear, this

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planet is having an environmental disaster.

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And this is the catastrophic event that somebody from the future

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has come to watch.

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It's not thrilling enough to convince me at any point that this is

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a point in the past that somebody would come to visit or to

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study.

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Yeah, but we find out that it isn't that, and that's part of the

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thing, and, you know, But it's supposed to try and trick us

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right?

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Convince us.

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Yeah, well, yeah, part of the problem is that Matt Frewer isn't

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really coming back into the past to study this pivotal event.

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He just turns up here when they happen to be doing something

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really quite terribly routine.

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And although that B plot actually escalates and is kind of

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designed to create a situation where Picard needs the time

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traveler's knowledge where he's got a really risky decision to

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make.

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He has to question the prime directive again, doesn't he?

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you know?

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Which is a good scene.

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Yeah, I think that is a good scene.

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But otherwise, it doesn't see, I think Star Trek the Next

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Generation at this point has raised the floor so that we never go

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quite as bad as anything in series one and two and has found a

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kind of groove.

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Like, it's found something for the crew to do.

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Like we're not at war.

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We're not always going to meet aliens that we have to fight.

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That's not what this show does.

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And so it tries to imagine what this ship should do.

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And this is now the 2nd season 5 episode that we've done that has

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the crew encountering a planet that's facing an environmental

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catastrophe caused by space rocks or something.

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Is it ever done in a particularly gripping fashion ever?

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No.

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And what I appreciated about this.

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I mean, this is just a day at the office for them, right?

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And this would have been more interesting if it hadn't been a day

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at the office for them, I think, if he'd come at a more climactic

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moment.

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But he doesn't really, he just comes to a really kind of boring

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adventure, I think.

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That's the trouble.

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I was like constantly being told or being made aware that

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something truly startling was going to happen because he's sort of

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looking at his watch, staring at the ceiling and they keep going

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what, what?

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And it's like, oh, you'll find out, you'll find out.

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So I'm thinking, right, great.

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So this might be boring, that something incredible is going to

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happen in this plot.

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When the episode ended and nothing did.

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I was like, what the hell was that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's just poor bastard turns up like on history's most routine

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day on the enterprise D and has to kind of big it up.

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I said to you as well, I just don't buy, and I know, I know it's a

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it's a lie, but again, we are supposed to be convinced that it's

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the truth, that he is from the future.

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I don't buy that he would come and study Captain Picard, you know

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the dullest captain in Starfleet.

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Now, if he turned up on a particularly great TOS episode, and

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we're studying Captain Kirk, who's unpredictable, and, you know

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that makes a lot of sense.

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He's an exciting character.

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I can understand somebody from the future going, all right, let's

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go this troublemaker.

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Let's go and see what's Captain Picard, really?

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You know, he starts pacing his office and going, oh, 7 metres

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amazing.

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They've got it exactly right in the in the future, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, God.

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You're right. constrained by the formula of this show.

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It can't take this idea and do something wild with it.

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It just wants to play out a regular TNG episode and then throw in

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a like an okay twist at the end.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, in a sense, you know, the premise where someone from

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the future comes to study them is almost series breaking, isn't

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it?

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Like it's potentially a thing that breaks the premise of the

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show.

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And remember that when we watched TOS, we didn't really know when

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it was set, I don't think.

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I don't think they were ever particularly clear about it.

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And now we've decided that it's set 300 years after it's

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broadcast.

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But I think that we only realise what century we're in when Star

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Trek the Next Generation decides that it's the 24th century.

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And it could have done any century and it chose to go sort of 90

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years ahead with some different technology and staff.

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And so the future is only something that exists at this point in

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Star Trek.

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There's no real future in TOS because TOS isn't really set at any

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particular time.

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And so this is the 2nd time we've had people from the future.

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I think we've had them at the beginning of Captain's holiday.

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Those aliens, they were pretty dull as well.

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Yeah, they were.

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That's right.

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They were the dullest part of that.

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And so it is something that is potentially interesting.

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It's not a bad idea, but what they come up with is so kind of

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boring. and he's just, he's going to steal a bunch of tricorders

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and flogg them on eBay when he gets back to the 22nd century.

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It's not that interesting.

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What is so obvious.

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Well, there's, yeah, the director is not holding anything back.

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So we see him.

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It's sort of language shots, pocketing trike orders and things

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like scientific equipment and you're going, well, what's

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something's going to happen here then, you know?

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Whereas that bit at the end might land a bit better if there had

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been no indication at all the way through.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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We got to be clever.

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We got to show the audience.

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And then they go, oh, that's what all that was about.

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Okay.

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And so there's no twist, really, essentially.

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He's just Nick and stuff.

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And like, we'll talk about it as we go through the episode.

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But, yeah, it's well known that Robin Williams was originally

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supposed to start in one of his big movies he was doing at the

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same time, which meant he couldn't.

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But this was written specifically for him.

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Matt Thruer steps in from Matt's headroom.

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Is that right?

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Yeah.

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And, um, he's all right in the role, but he accentuates all the

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annoying parts of the role and doesn't really bring any charm.

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And I said to you off, Mike.

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If Robin Williams had done this, he's such a sophisticated comedy

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actor.

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I think he would have made that character a bit darker and a lot

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more likeable as well.

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It would have been a more interesting guest character. if

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probably.

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Yeah, I think I think through, he's leaning into being irritating

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and he does it really well. succeeds.

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Yeah, he does.

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And I particularly like how unimpressed Troy is by him.

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I think that's awesome.

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Anytime she's a bit of a bitch, I love it.

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Yeah, well that's the best thing about it.

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She's normally so well behaved and here she just thinks he's a

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prick and makes no secret of it.

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I like on paper the idea that Beverly Crusher is a bit wooed by

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this man from the future.

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But not too wooed, is she?

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But she's sort of playful with him and it leans into Gates

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McFadden doing the best acting that she does, which is when she's

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just the person.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, no, she's great bits for her here.

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Oh, some really fun bits, yeah.

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Well, I suppose we better watch this thing, even though we have

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declared it very dull.

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Yeah, I think we'd better.

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All right.

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I'd say our job.

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It is.

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Okay.

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Al Kenneth in?

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Here we go.

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Stock encounter a car point shop.

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Yeah, exactly the opening shot of the show as usual.

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Although I'm always shocked when I go back and watch these T edgy

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episodes because they're just so crisp in HD.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this actually wins an Emmy for outstanding individual

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achievement in special visual effects, and it comes equal with

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conundrum, which, do you remember that?

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It's a high concept one where someone turns up on the ship and

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they're...

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Oh, it's a big puzzle that got us sort out, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Outstanding special effects.

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Are you talking about that window we keep looking out on the

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planet?

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suggests the different climates we're seeing.

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It's the same window from the masterpiece society.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I mean, because because this is trying to sell something

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that that is kind of real science.

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So when we objected to the technobabbler a couple of weeks ago

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when we were doing faces and there were whole scenes that were

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just technobabble trying to explain why the B plot on the ship

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wasn't going to interact with the A plot anytime soon, you know

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because... so bad.

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And so what we have here, this ship, this planet has been kind of

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struck by asteroids or something, I've quite like this little ship

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don't you?

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No, I refuse to believe spaceships in the future look that

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boring.

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It looks like a screw.

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It looks like a screw.

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It is, come on now.

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It will turn up over and over again, I think.

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We're used to the Klingon cruises, you know, and the Romulan ships

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and things like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they can't build one of those in the studio

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though.

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We'll get to it, but the insides even better.

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I love the inside.

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I was getting proper enterprise vibes from the inside.

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Sorry, you was making a point about Technobabble.

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Well, so here what we have is, you know, we explain that this

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planet is undergoing a nuclear, like a nuclear winter because of

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all the particles in the air.

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And our solution is to drill into the mantle of the planet to

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release some carbon dioxide, which we know will retain the heat

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and then give them time to deal with things.

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And then there turns out there's some tectonic instability around

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the drill sites that they weren't expecting.

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And all of that makes sense.

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It's not technobabble.

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It is just them doing their jobs.

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And what we need.

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Should we be watching that to do?

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Yes, because that's Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Heap, I think, of the pleasure of Star Trek, the Next Generation

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is watching the competent people solve the space problems. when

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things go wrong and there's drama and character and...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, those things happen. always happens, though.

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I mean, that always does happen and here it sort of happens.

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I'd rather more wrong.

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A few episodes back, we had disaster.

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And the game, you know?

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Crazy high concept episodes.

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I'd much rather watch like fun like that than them drilling the

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core of this planet.

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But I think that only happens that we've got that boring

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background for the other plot to play against.

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So we have a... supposed to be a lot of fun.

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Yeah, we have a day at the office that is interrupted by this

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potentially series breaking encounter with the future, I think.

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You know what's interesting as well?

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I, in every single scene with Matt Fruer.

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I can see Robin Williams there doing it.

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I can sort of take him out and put Robin Williams in.

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So that bit there where he was like, oh, Captain, can you move to

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the left?

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And he beams onto the bridge.

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I mean, it's a shit joke.

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But Robin Williams would have sold it if it'd have beamed onto

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that bridge, you know?

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Yeah.

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You were exactly where I needed to be. you know.

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I wonder whether he would really have ever done it.

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I mean we know that he didn't.

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And he wasn't filming Hook at the same time.

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He'd just come off hook.

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He was a big fan that he was tired.

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Okay.

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Yeah, it would have been it would have been pretty amazing.

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If you think about the people who guessed it on original track and

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how embedded that became in our culture.

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And this version of Star Trek, whatever you say about it, is the

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version that more people watch than any other version.

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This point is a zeitgeist and then some.

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People were probably clamouring to get on it at this point. so

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much exposure.

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And, you know, even I would probably suggest that the Robin

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Williams things was golf.

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But then I think, wait, Whoopi Goldberg took a guess, you know, a

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guest starring regular role on this show.

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So it could attract big names.

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And I think probably the regulars would have acted against Robin

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Williams more interestingly as well.

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Do you know, in HD?

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I can see every fibre on the carpet on those walls.

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Oh, it's terrible, would it?

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He does make comments about the architecture, doesn't he?

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and things like this.

325
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Yeah, yeah, but like the stupid painting on the wall.

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You know what it means?

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It just needs a really witty writer and every one of these lines

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needs to be a zinger.

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Yeah, I don't want to cast too much shade, but that ain't Rick

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Berman.

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I've sat for enough. only enterprise episodes to know that.

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Yeah, what is it?

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He's not charming, is he?

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He's not charming.

335
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Is that it?

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He is annoying.

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He's sort of got a particular American flavour of annoying

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happening.

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These roguish characters.

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It can go 2 ways, can't it?

341
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They're either going to be.

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We're going to be completely on side with them or we're just going

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to be really annoyed by them and I'm generally annoyed by them.

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Yeah, and is he is he trying and failing because, I mean, that is

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that sort of cute, that thing where he's doing the steps across

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the thing and then turns to him and goes, I'm right and it's dumb

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as hell.

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Like historians don't really fight over how many metres someone's

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offices or which side of the table they sit on, which is

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apparently something that is known to the future.

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Like, it doesn't make any sense.

352
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No, incisive wit.

353
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Do you normally sit at that side of the table?

354
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Yeah, yeah.

355
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It's more of our non-jokes that we were talking about.

356
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It's a whole episode packed full of.

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That's it.

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In fact, you could show this to the rights of lower decks and say

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this is precisely how not to do it.

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Don't do it.

361
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Yeah.

362
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But I mean, lower decks, you know, its version of what their job

363
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is as Starfleet officers is just this, isn't it?

364
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It's you go to a planet which is experiencing an environmental

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catastrophe, you do space things and try and fix it.

366
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Like, that's what the show's about.

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Very knowingly.

368
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They take the piss out of all of this while still stroking it very

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affectionately.

370
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

371
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But, I mean, I kind of, I like that.

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And there is, there is something about, the nerdy sciency

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engineering thing about it that I think, you know, brought people

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on board and certainly did with original Trek as well.

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You know, there's not much like this, I think.

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I just had a very dark thought.

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What's that?

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That we do have to sit through 7 seasons of incredibly worthy Star

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Trek in order for the jokes to land in lower decks.

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It was worth going through all of this.

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Well, fortunately, we had done it anyway.

382
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You know, so we were kind of fine.

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Oh, here's Deanna being fucking useless.

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I can't tell whether he's not telling the truth.

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Even though he's a confidence trick star.

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Just a human being, it turns out, you know.

387
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That's right. particularly useless.

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There's a scene in a minute, right?

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It really does remind me of how simple some of the writer is on

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this show where she goes, oh, they do Turin plague.

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You can let us know in the future, whether, you know, we sold this

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medical issue.

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And then Rasmussen goes, ah, how interesting, how everybody

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channels, you know, interesting, different things about the future

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you know given what their job is.

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And then we go to Rikers and then we go to war and then he says it

397
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again.

398
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Ah, do you know it?

399
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How wharf, it's exactly what I'll send you early.

400
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Yeah, he's into weapons.

401
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And this out anymore to me.

402
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Oh, in it.

403
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Like, you know, a little subtlety would be nice.

404
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Oh, I know.

405
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And they can do it.

406
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They can do it because we watched Darmok this year.

407
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So it's not like they can't, they can't.

408
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No, no, no, of course.

409
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I quite like this. is quite good.

410
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I like his relationship with Data the best and Data gets the best

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line in the whole thing, which is when they're in the show at the

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end.

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Comparing him to a Gutenberg Bible is pretty great.

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And I think that's a bit of a hint that he's, because there's that

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thing about him being a collector.

416
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We've had the most toys by this point, haven't we?

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That series four, I think.

418
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That's a great episode.

419
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

420
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But so he, you know, like collecting data, we're already kind of

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laying the ground because that's what he eventually does, isn't

422
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he?

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He tries to steal data as well.

424
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I feel like he should have lots of lines here about how utterly

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unimpressive the decor is in these guest quarters.

426
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Yes.

427
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No, he does say it'll do.

428
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Do you know what I mean?

429
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I mean, I suppose it'll have to do for now.

430
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What he's really thinking is?

431
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Because obviously he's from a century past is why God.

432
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Look at this luxury around me, you know?

433
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We don't have this much carpet on the walls in the past.

434
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No, that's what we were thinking in 1991.

435
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And look, we have the sink that we don't have to realise because

436
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it's just out of shot.

437
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Ramone unashamed, Nathan, that I thought this was the height of

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luxury in 1993.

439
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Oh, no, I did too.

440
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Don't you worry.

441
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I did as well.

442
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So is data collecting, forgive me, the data of the things that

443
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you're stealing throughout the episode?

444
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Because it doesn't come a great surprise to them at the end.

445
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Uh, yeah, so we see him steal 2 or 3 things, don't we?

446
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Like, and he really obviously steals that thing from Beverly, um

447
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It would have been nice to know that Beverly just went straight to

448
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the captain and said that asshole has just stolen my stupid

449
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scanner thing.

450
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But also, as well, when when the twist hits at the end, It just

451
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takes away anything that's potentially interesting about that

452
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character as well.

453
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Well, I mean, you saw we went into the ad break there with him

454
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sitting down after data had left raising an eyebrow and throwing

455
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the apple and it's kind of like, well, what am I supposed to make

456
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of that?

457
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Like what even is that?

458
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Okay, here's the window.

459
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Now, I think it's got a California hillside out the back there as

460
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well.

461
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There's a bit of a tree.

462
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It's a reasonable set.

463
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So here we are all of the usual enterprise consoles that are

464
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normally flat all up on the walls.

465
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

466
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And some tellies, like they've embedded some tellies into the set

467
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there.

468
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I'm unashamed that I thought in 1993, that was the peak technology

469
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as well, though.

470
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I wanted to push those buttons so badly.

471
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Yeah, I do.

472
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Oh, God, here we go.

473
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Techma babble city.

474
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I know this is real size.

475
00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:07.319
I know it all makes sense, but it's just not for me.

476
00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:09.720
And I know you're going to say I'm probably watching the wrong

477
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show then.

478
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But I mean, I think that that is kind of interesting.

479
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It's a little bit like, and it doesn't have the scale, obviously

480
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but that bit in Star Trek four, you know, where they're talking

481
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about the effect it's having on the atmosphere and stuff as the

482
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probe comes in and the window brakes. series of glorious set

483
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pieces in Star Trek 4 that are fun.

484
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

485
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Where the cameras, but here we've got where it just...

486
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Yeah, look, look, Professor, come on over and then she looks at

487
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she looks at them to kind of go, oh, how are you going to react?

488
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.700
It's Beverly, when she's just being a normal person is as charming

489
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as hell.

490
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It's wonderful.

491
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Look at her.

492
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Is she?

493
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It's the date of day, Beverly.

494
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The one that starts.

495
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Exactly.

496
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But I don't think she's, she's at all, like he charms her at all.

497
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Like, I think she kind of likes it, but I don't think she buys it

498
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for a 2nd and I like that because, you know, the moment he tries

499
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.900
to sort of hit on her.

500
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.140
She goes, yeah, I could be your grandmother.

501
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.700
Oh, that Lord.

502
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.359
It's very dodgy and quite funny.

503
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:17.519
That's one of a few funny lines for this.

504
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Although I did wonder, you know, she thought, you know, I could

505
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:20.940
fuck a guy from the future.

506
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.240
That's a good talking boy in the future.

507
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.180
Does she get someone to fuck this year?

508
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:30.240
Is the host in the series, hostess in series four, I think?

509
00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:31.440
Yeah.

510
00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.380
Well, she gets a romance every 2 years.

511
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:35.579
Yeah, okay.

512
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.819
They're either a slug or a ghost or a man from the future.

513
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.279
You know, it's it's never just a normal person.

514
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.599
But I mean, this question that Riker asks.

515
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:50.039
Like, I just don't, they're never, so that's all really super

516
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:51.359
underdeveloped, right?

517
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:54.720
This should be a bigger deal if this really is the 1st time anyone

518
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.400
from the future has come to the present.

519
00:23:56.460 --> 00:24:02.640
Oh, yeah, here this terribly boring scene. ring technology Well, no

520
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.859
but this is reminds me of what you said to me.

521
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.400
I think when we were watching faces, is that we've got to a point

522
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.779
now with a TNG that even when a scene is as badly written as this

523
00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:16.799
and as laboured as this, that we know these characters well enough

524
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.559
and they can inject a bit of personality into it.

525
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:23.759
So, what they're saying might be very dull, but you can watch it.

526
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:26.519
You know, they're fun to watch.

527
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.140
Beverly's relaxed.

528
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.220
Riker's pissed.

529
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.440
Warf is looking very pensive about something.

530
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.680
So it's funny that the warp coil's only 200 years old.

531
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.059
That's not true, is it?

532
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.839
Oh, it's about 220 years old.

533
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:43.980
Possibly tell you that.

534
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.240
Is that true or not?

535
00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:48.119
Well, isn't it developed in like 2140 and we do have phase

536
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.839
pistols?

537
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:52.079
So obviously it would be ridiculous for them to say, oh, well, we

538
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.500
can't do enterprise now because we established that phase phases

539
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.460
didn't exist in the 22nd century, because that's where he's from

540
00:24:59.460 --> 00:24:59.940
isn't it?

541
00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:01.859
Yes.

542
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.400
Yeah.

543
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:03.000
Yeah.

544
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:04.200
Do you know what?

545
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:06.000
I was trying to say in a very protracted way there.

546
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.140
I can put it in a sentence.

547
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.420
I think their chemistry is better than them. material.

548
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.339
Oh, yeah, I think that's true.

549
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.900
That what makes it watchable.

550
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:13.799
Yeah, yeah.

551
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.960
If they only gave them good lines as well.

552
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:17.160
It would be win-win.

553
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.240
It'd be amazing.

554
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.299
You see, I just think Geordie is so great.

555
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.599
Like he is so good.

556
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:26.039
I said over and over again.

557
00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:28.980
No one delivers techno babble like LeVar Burton, but he's also

558
00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:30.480
just charming and relaxed.

559
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:34.079
Can I raise that even further and say heroic?

560
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:38.880
The fact that he's given all of these dreadful scientific lines

561
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.819
and somehow manages to deliver them with such passion.

562
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:46.559
Yeah, but I mean, in a way, heaps of this dialogue isn't really

563
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.400
science fiction-y because it is just, you know, a thing.

564
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:55.440
Like it, it's sciency enough to be recognisable.

565
00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:58.559
And so we're not having to talk about verder on particles or

566
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.079
fucking microfishes or any of that.

567
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.480
We are just talking about normal things.

568
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:08.579
And I guess the problem is that Star Trek can't afford to realise

569
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:16.140
the planet beyond that fantastic CG shot with the, with the uh

570
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:21.059
snow and then that terrible window at the back of the set.

571
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.660
Right, delightfully, Nathan, you seem to be in the midst of on

572
00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:25.440
this zoom call.

573
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

574
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.200
Well, it was the obvious one to choose.

575
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:32.940
Oh, but Mark Hart, any other winning establishing shot.

576
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.559
You say Emmy winning.

577
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.559
I do wonder if they, you know, because Star Trek is popular at

578
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:37.859
this point.

579
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.059
They just throw them a bone.

580
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.299
Oh, the Muse that had some quirky costumes in it.

581
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:43.859
There's an image. given that.

582
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.259
Maybe, maybe.

584
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.519
Oh, see, this.

585
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:48.240
I love this.

586
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:55.559
So he lists famous people who are blind in the past and he

587
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.039
mentions Monet and Blake, William Blake, possibly.

588
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.259
I can't remember, but then just says wonder.

589
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:06.960
And again, like I just think that casual dropping of a 20th

590
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.259
century contemporary reference is fun and not something that we

591
00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:11.039
get often enough.

592
00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:11.759
Oh, here we go.

593
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.000
No, no, that was that was quite sly.

594
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:18.599
That camera move because it was just in the middle of a dialogue.

595
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.619
There are worse to come where the camera lingers for ages on him

596
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:23.339
stealing.

597
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.200
We make at the end of the scene, you know.

598
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:28.200
You know, it is very clear.

599
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:32.160
No, it is very clear that that is just a match shot. superimposed

600
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.240
a lot of snow over there.

601
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:34.799
What do you want?

602
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.019
They're not going to go to an alien planet and shit.

603
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.900
What I want is for them to create a little model and throw in some

604
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:40.980
real snow, you know?

605
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.779
That would be much more fun.

606
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.839
Can I say, yo, something that will upset, not that there are any

607
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:50.460
homophobes or racists listening to entitled Star Trek project, but

608
00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:53.759
Lava Burton has the most kissable lips that I've ever seen

609
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.960
pretty...

610
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.240
They're so...

611
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:58.559
I don't want get too kinky.

612
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.000
God, it's gorgeous.

613
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.400
Here we go.

614
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:04.200
Yes.

615
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.079
Yeah, see, this stuff's pretty good.

616
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:08.460
What are you complaining about?

617
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.660
Look, that is that stock footage of a thing that they've, I don't

618
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:12.779
know.

619
00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:16.200
Same reason I don't go sit in an office and watch people going

620
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:16.859
about their work.

621
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.779
It's not what I want to watch on the TV.

622
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.220
But I mean, that is heaps of TV is people of their jobs, isn't

623
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:23.400
it?

624
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:26.579
That sort of procedural is at hospital. dramatically rendered, you

625
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.900
know, with vivid characters.

626
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:33.960
Not just a load of science on Mintaka 68 or whatever this is.

628
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.059
It's Penthera 4.

629
00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:38.160
I wonder how they find those names.

630
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:39.359
I don't know.

631
00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:42.480
Mintaka's the planet where who watches the watches comes from.

632
00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:44.460
Oh, fabulous episode.

633
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.380
Yeah, yeah.

635
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.200
I do seem to keep saying to you every time we watch a TNG

636
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:49.559
episode.

637
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:51.779
You mentioned a better one and I say, why aren't we watching that

638
00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:52.140
instead?

639
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.859
So I quite like that reaction from Riker.

640
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.900
Sorry.

641
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.160
I'm so aware of the window.

642
00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:00.240
Sorry, go on.

643
00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:05.940
So yeah, so Matt Ferrell comes in and just sits right in Riker's

644
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:10.019
chair and Riker looks, am I going to be an arsehole about this?

645
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.059
Yeah, no, really, what's the point?

646
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.440
Which I thought was quite good.

647
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:17.940
I think, you know, the head scientist on this base sets that, where

648
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:19.799
you wear your best jumpsuit today, all right?

649
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:21.420
We got visitors from the Enterprise.

650
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.980
That's right.

651
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:26.099
I'm wearing jumpsuits.

652
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.019
I don't know.

653
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.559
Mind you, Matt Frewer's costume, isn't that great either, is it?

654
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:32.579
It's very pretty.

655
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.579
Yeah, it's a little bit more interesting than the, I mean, you

656
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:38.519
know, like casual wear on the Enterprise is always a bit rough.

657
00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:40.380
It's always a bit hit and miss, isn't it?

658
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:46.140
Um, you know, he's got a kind of, I don't know, it's a big flouncy

659
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:46.920
thing, isn't it?

660
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:49.799
At least it doesn't look like it's come out the gap, which is what

661
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.720
their usual sort of casual awareness like.

662
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

663
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:52.859
Yeah.

664
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.339
Yeah.

665
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.180
Why does he have, so is the watch that he has?

666
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.339
Is that meant to indicate to us that he doesn't come from the

667
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:03.539
future after all because he's got a fucking stupid watch that's a

668
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.700
ring that he has to open the thing for?

669
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.279
He seems to have like 2 buttons on it.

670
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.079
So I can't stick too much for it.

671
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.119
I don't know why it's here.

672
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:14.400
I mean, the, the, it's faced to...

673
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.119
The reason we keep cutting back to it is so we know we're on a

674
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:18.960
timeline, isn't it?

675
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:20.579
And we're needing up.

676
00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:21.539
Truly exciting.

677
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.559
That's exactly what he said as he came in.

678
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:26.460
Look at Deanna.

679
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.400
She really is so pierced at him.

680
00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:30.180
It's wonderful.

681
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:32.519
I want us to watch one of those episodes, you know, where she goes

682
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:32.940
evil.

683
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.319
Not just not PowerPlay.

684
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:38.579
Man of the People, you know, where she goes truly evil.

685
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.359
No, but here she's just saying, yeah, I've got other things to do

686
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.140
and she's really, really sort of particularly pissed off.

687
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:51.299
And then, and then she gets the shits when he says Picard's

688
00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:52.019
empath.

689
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.859
Like, you know, just think she's really terrific in this.

690
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:59.519
It's still very sort of period trauma insult, so, isn't it?

691
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:03.059
Like, I wish TNG would get the stick out of his butt and she could

692
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:05.160
just turn around and say, you know what, you're an arsehole.

693
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:05.940
I unlike you.

694
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.980
That's the problem, isn't it?

695
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:10.259
And like the problem is never solved.

696
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.640
It's a bit better in Deep Space Nine and still bad in Voyager

697
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.519
where they're all just space people, you know.

698
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.980
Drop the airs, you know?

699
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.380
Yeah, yeah, picant empath.

700
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.720
Good for you, Marina.

701
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:31.319
She's killing it I like, he says you don't like me and she goes, I

702
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:32.460
don't dislike you.

703
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:36.000
Why should you care whether I trust you or not?

704
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.539
He does seem to want to be liked, doesn't he?

705
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

706
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.380
Well, he's a confidence trickster, I guess.

707
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.039
You know.

708
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.900
Yeah, she goes, you, you're right.

709
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:46.559
I don't trust you.

710
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.500
What you should say is, you're a prick and just walk out.

711
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.859
The Beverly walks in and says, I'm glad to see you 2 finally

712
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:00.059
getting along.

713
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:03.420
Look at Beverly's hair as well.

714
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.960
I don't think guys ever look more lustrous than it does right

715
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:07.200
now.

716
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:08.460
It's pretty great.

717
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.359
You only get this commentary on on titles Star Trek project, you

718
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:12.599
know?

719
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:14.279
Yeah, people here.

720
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:16.740
Matt through his hair is pretty special, I think, too.

721
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.319
It's sort of nutty professor.

722
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.279
It's going off every day.

723
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.480
It is absolutely that, isn't it?

724
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.579
That's not what I look like when I get out of the bed in the

725
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:23.759
morning.

726
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.940
Oh, no, it's her body language and they'll say no.

727
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.220
She sort of, it's very flirtatious.

728
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.779
Well, no, but I'm getting that sort of hilarious, like, I think

729
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:37.859
you are funny.

730
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.299
Like, I think it, like, you're funny, not deliberately funny.

731
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.500
I just think you are funny and I'm not falling for your shit.

732
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:47.880
Like, it's just like, why?

733
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.160
I think, no, she's not doing it like that.

734
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:53.279
How can you equate this to that zombie?

735
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.900
That talks medical babble all the time.

736
00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:55.740
Well, yeah.

737
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.859
But she, like, she's not LeVar Burton.

738
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.799
You know, she can't do the technobabble like Levakian.

739
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:05.880
No one can do the technobabil like that. smiling at him.

740
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:09.539
You're having fun with this shit.

741
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.240
She's toying with him, I think, is the idea.

742
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.180
Great, great, great grandmother.

743
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.839
That's gonna kill any passion immediately, isn't it?

744
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:20.880
That was the point of it though, wasn't it?

745
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:22.559
That was entirely the point of that line.

746
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.619
If he did have a hard on and blinks.

747
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.519
She smiles and does a little blink and then like just watches him

748
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:30.960
go, ha, ha, ha.

749
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.859
She went... been played like that.

750
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.240
They've been played like that.

751
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:37.559
I think I would have been on board.

752
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:42.299
But then, what, she immediately goes to Mr. Wharf and says that

753
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.960
prick stole my thing, I reckon, that's what's happening.

754
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.720
Oh, it was fun there.

755
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

756
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.660
Yeah, more that.

757
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.359
The the subtitles said alarm ringing.

758
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:55.980
That means we're due from Technobabble.

759
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.839
Two earthquakes.

760
00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:02.579
Both epicentres and the 2 submote poles are the planet captain.

761
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.420
Oh good grief.

762
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.799
No, but it's just a bit.

763
00:34:04.859 --> 00:34:08.039
No, I love the, I love the hilarious special effect where, you

764
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.340
know, we get the map of the drilling sites and then the map of the

765
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:14.639
earthquakes and then we move them so they're on top of each other

766
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.880
and it's like, 0 my god, the earthquakes are all on the drilling

767
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.420
side.

768
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.460
To be fair, that's pretty good.

769
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.639
Yeah, to be fair, they are, like, I can see where the special

770
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.519
effects MBS come from because they are trying to show us in lots

771
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.059
of different ways.

772
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.380
How this?

773
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.099
Yeah, I just wish it was a more exciting catastrophe.

774
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.119
No, and I think part of the problem is that you don't care about

775
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:36.659
the people.

776
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.719
It is still a bit Planet Zog. and so all you have is I'm not

777
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.739
invested in a great junction.

778
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.000
No, not really.

779
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:43.019
That's right.

780
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.360
Maybe if they wore better clothes, I would be.

781
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:46.139
Maybe.

782
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.820
It's not quite Veridian 3.

783
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.760
Like, it's not quite as bad or Veridian 4, which is the planet

784
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.000
that generation is to destroy that we don't care about.

785
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.460
That will always be the Nadir, wouldn't it?

786
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

787
00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:00.840
Lack of interest in a planet in trouble. don't care.

788
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:04.380
I mean, at least Geordie's down there.

789
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.159
Do you know what I mean?

790
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:09.599
So, so we have to do something else because what we've done has

791
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.139
done the exact opposite of what we intended and poured more

792
00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:16.380
particles into the atmosphere because now we've got volcanos going

793
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:21.480
off and more ash and this, this, this, look.

794
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:24.420
Oh my god, the eruption sites in the phaser drill sites are the

795
00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:24.719
same place.

796
00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:26.699
Well, of course they are.

797
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.719
The only way we could possibly have any drama in this thing.

798
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.539
God, no wonder they took DS9 to war.

799
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.059
If this was a day of the opposite on TNG.

800
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.460
But war is easy.

801
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.019
This was great.

802
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.039
He goes, we came here to help him, Riker says, and Picard goes, and

803
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.000
look what we've done.

804
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:48.480
And neither one of them sounds the slightest bit bothered.

805
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:52.320
But that looked like proper ad break acting, didn't it?

806
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:53.340
But there we go.

807
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.159
I don't know, they just deliver the lines so half-heartedly.

808
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:59.400
I think they know this is a midseason episode, you know?

809
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.300
Yeah, yeah.

810
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.699
I think that's probably it I love this.

811
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.780
This is really funny.

812
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:10.800
So he, he can listen up to up to 100 pieces of music at a time, but

813
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.619
when he wants to appreciate how lovely they are.

814
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.079
Their aesthetic qualities he can really only do about 10.

815
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.260
And at the moment he's only listening to four.

816
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.179
And I think that's really funny.

817
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.139
The other funny thing is that Brent thinks that he's speaking

818
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:30.480
Spanish and says La Dona, a Mobile, instead of La Dona, Mobile.

819
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:31.199
So there you go.

820
00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:33.119
I mean, you would know that.

821
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:34.619
Well, no that's not true.

822
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.360
A Spanish person might as well.

823
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.000
Well, yeah, no Americans are supposed to speak Spanish.

824
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:39.420
Come on.

825
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.139
Well, I'll say it again.

826
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.539
I do think I think their relationship.

827
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.139
I mean, this is as cat and mouse as we get on this episode.

828
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.139
And it's still not great, you know?

829
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.940
No, no, no.

830
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.139
Imagine.

831
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.500
Imagine Matt Thruer beaming in and having scenes with Shatner, you

832
00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:01.440
know, imagine how they'd sizzle as they're sort of playing around

833
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:01.800
each other.

834
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

835
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:11.099
Yeah, I just think there's not quite enough scepticism as well.

836
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.480
See, the other episode that I was thinking of where there are

837
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.619
earthquakes and shit is Devil's Stew from last year, and I

838
00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:23.099
love...

839
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.679
I'm starting to come round to the fact that actually is quite fun

840
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.000
compared to this bullshit.

841
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:28.260
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.260
But that is really fun, but there's scepticism.

843
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.280
We don't believe Ardra, and we don't believe Ardra, because we

844
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.980
know religions are not true.

845
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.460
And so, um, But you know, the whole thing is made so fun because

846
00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:44.039
she comes down all camp and just goes, oh, those people.

847
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:44.760
Never mind.

848
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:46.679
You know, she's...

849
00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:49.860
It's almost doing the lower decks thing, you know?

850
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.239
I'm taking the piss out of the danger.

851
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.699
Isn't it the same plot?

852
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:59.159
I mean, we have a confidence trickstar who uses technology to fake

853
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.860
that she's Andra and uses technology that's available to the

854
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:05.820
enterprise as well?

855
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.340
And so they're never not sceptical.

856
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.079
They're never for a 2nd convinced.

857
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.400
Here.

858
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:16.199
No one pushes back against the preposterous premise.

859
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.900
And because it turns out it's not true.

860
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.380
He's not able to kind of prove anything or say anything.

861
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.219
They all just buy it.

862
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.659
They all just go along with it.

863
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.920
They do his...

864
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.539
Whilst being irritated.

865
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.380
Yeah.

866
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:34.739
And and we don't have the temporal prime directive or anything

867
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.340
like that yet because time travel is such a minor part of the show

868
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:39.420
at this point.

869
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.800
It hasn't happened a lot of times.

870
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:45.480
And so all of that stuff about not interfering with the past and

871
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.099
stuff isn't in place yet.

872
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.139
And remember, Picard says if you have any equivalent of the prime

873
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:56.699
directive but for time travel, you know, you won't be able to tell

874
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:57.360
me the thing.

875
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.539
And I kind of think, well, that would be the temporal prime

876
00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.739
directive, wouldn't it?

877
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.619
You know, like eventually we come up with that and it's not in

878
00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:05.340
very many years.

879
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.699
So it's all sort of very ill formed and I just don't think that

880
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:12.300
that works as well as everyone and kind of imagines it does.

881
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.980
I think you're right.

882
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.880
The only objection they have is to his character, I'm not what

883
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.219
he's there to do, and that is an issue.

884
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.719
Because you can't prove anything.

885
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:22.619
Do you know what I mean?

886
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:26.219
He can't prove that his, all that we've got is that his spaceship

887
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.800
did a warpy thing that we hear about.

888
00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.880
We don't even see it.

889
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.099
So nothing remarkable beyond that.

890
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.380
That's his credential and they all believe him.

891
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.719
Now this is act four.

892
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:38.219
It's one scene.

893
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.619
So between the ad breaks.

894
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:41.880
It's just one scene.

895
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:45.960
The centrepiece of the episode. and it is actually talking about

896
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:46.800
something.

897
00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:51.000
And I do like Picard saying, you know, I have toyed with the prime

898
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.179
director at times and I need to do so again now.

899
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:55.139
Please help me.

900
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.360
I like it when he's humble like this.

901
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.380
Yeah.

902
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:03.179
Yeah. and and so the that B plot is designed.

903
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:04.619
So things go horribly wrong.

904
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.739
They've now got a thing where they're trying to ionise the

905
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:10.860
particle so that they fall out of the air or whatever, but it

906
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.960
risks burning off the atmosphere.

907
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.699
And so that's super clear.

908
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.780
Do you know what I mean?

909
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.099
It's clear what the stakes are.

910
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.079
And it's at the end of that thing where he thinks, 0 my god, I

911
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.460
have someone from the future here.

912
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.699
And so that's where the 2 plots really dovetail and that's what

913
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:32.219
that, you know, B plot exists for is to make this necessary.

914
00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:37.679
And I think the points that it makes like it gets it right in a

915
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.000
way that science fiction generally gets it wrong, I think

916
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.099
because...

917
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.119
Well, I'm not a big fan of the idea that it's wrong to change the

918
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:48.780
past.

919
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.539
Because if it's wrong to change the past, then it's wrong to

920
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.500
change the present.

921
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:55.380
And that is what Picard says.

922
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.639
This is my present.

923
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:00.539
If it's wrong to change the future, you know, then it's wrong to

924
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:01.440
do anything.

925
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.099
Like, why does the fact that you come from the future mean that

926
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:07.679
doing the same thing is wrong for you?

927
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:11.099
Like it just makes no sense.

928
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:16.139
And regardless of whatever happens in this conversation and

929
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:18.900
everything leading out to it, he still has to make a choice either

930
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:19.199
way.

931
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.780
Whether he's influenced by...

932
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:24.719
That's the conclusion he draws, no, I'm in exactly the same

933
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:25.980
situation I was in before.

934
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:26.699
We had this conversation.

935
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:31.199
And at no point, because we're not really thinking about time

936
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:32.460
travel in any way.

937
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:38.099
At no point do we get the obvious thing from Frua, where he never

938
00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:44.639
says, okay, let's say I tell you that everyone died, and then you

939
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.420
act in a way to prevent that from happening.

940
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:55.320
Then, Why would I tell you that everyone died if I come from the

941
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.340
future and that didn't happen?

942
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:57.300
Do you know what I mean?

943
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.139
Like, you could do some kind of, like, it breaks the narrative in

944
00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:03.420
some way or it does, you know, the sort of thing they do in Doctor

945
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:04.079
Who all the time.

946
00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:09.119
I do like that he mentions, you know, that dreadful, Oh, well, what

947
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.440
if the one person that survives turns out to be Hitler or can't

948
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:13.860
sing?

949
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:18.840
And then he goes, yeah, every bloody 1st year student. yeah Or

950
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.460
that philosophy legend. you very much.

951
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.579
Yeah, that's right, but that's a good reason for not saving people

952
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.980
from house fires or car accidents.

953
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:26.579
Do you know what I mean?

954
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:30.300
Like, what happens if the person that I give CPR to who's

955
00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:32.940
collapsed on the street grows up to come Hitler?

956
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:33.900
Do you know what I mean?

957
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.639
Like, that's a stupid consideration.

958
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:38.280
How can you possibly make moral decisions on that basis?

959
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:40.320
It's just ridiculous?

960
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:43.619
And Picard is right all the way through.

961
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.300
He is.

962
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.380
This is the one scene that is criticising what for his character

963
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:50.099
is here to do.

964
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.840
It's the only scene, isn't it?

965
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:53.039
There's questioning.

966
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:54.780
He's not here to do that even, though.

967
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:55.619
Do you know what I mean?

968
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:01.679
Like, and and I'm super interested in how we're expecting him to

969
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.199
play his final refusal, because I think what would be

970
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.280
interesting.

971
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:11.820
What would be interesting and what would make him less of a

972
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:18.780
cartoon character is if he was horrified that he had put himself

973
00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:22.500
in the position where all these people thought he could give them

974
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:23.880
the answer to that question.

975
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.539
And when he says, I'm sorry, Captain, I just can't tell you.

976
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:31.139
What if we, what if he meant that?

977
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:35.219
What if it was just shit?

978
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.159
I'm in this position, but I don't know the answer.

979
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:40.619
There's no answer that I can possibly give you.

980
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.099
I can't make myself responsible for the decision that you've made

981
00:43:44.099 --> 00:43:47.519
because everything I've told you about coming from the future is a

982
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.159
lie and I don't know how this ends.

983
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:51.300
Do you know what I mean?

984
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.800
Well, they don't go there.

985
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:57.300
Would they nearly, you can just about squint and see through a

986
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.320
trying to play it like that?

987
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.760
I like the fact that you see a bit of anger in this scene, that

988
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:03.900
you see a bit of pressure.

989
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.500
It's the only point in this whole episode where somebody sort of

990
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:08.400
loses their rap.

991
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.039
And Picant's right.

993
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:13.320
You're gonna manipulate, you're trying to manipulate the future.

994
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:13.679
Yes.

995
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:14.639
Do you know what I mean?

996
00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:16.320
Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the future.

997
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:17.699
We do it all the time.

998
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.079
That's precisely what we do.

999
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:22.019
We call it making choices and we're allowed to do that.

1000
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.820
That's not morally wrong in itself.

1001
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.139
It's necessary.

1002
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:25.980
We have to do it.

1003
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.380
I do wonder if this is a bit long though.

1004
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.780
It sort of is going around in circles.

1005
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1006
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.559
He's making the same point about 5 times, Picard.

1007
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:37.800
Yeah, well I get, I guess it's just sort of underwritten.

1008
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:40.079
Like, I just think Rick Berman, do you know what I mean?

1009
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.760
And maybe the show at this point as well.

1010
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.719
And again, I'm going to go back to through it.

1011
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:50.159
I do wonder if it would land better with a more sophisticated

1012
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.420
actor in that round.

1013
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:52.139
What's that?

1014
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.579
Please don't ask me, Captain.

1015
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.300
I can't help you.

1016
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.239
And like he's...

1017
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:58.139
But I don't feel for him.

1018
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.719
No, but do you think I think he's playing that as a truthful

1019
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:04.800
moment, don't you?

1020
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.960
I think he's saying, I'm not from the future.

1021
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:08.280
You know, like I can't help you.

1022
00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:08.820
I'm sorry.

1023
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.719
Please don't ask me.

1024
00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:13.440
Whereas still, at this point, we're supposed to think that he is

1025
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.739
from the future, and he's obeying a set of rules.

1026
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.420
Please don't ask me to tell you.

1027
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.679
Yeah, yeah.

1028
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:25.199
But again, we've never been super convinced by him being from the

1029
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:26.460
future anyway.

1030
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.519
That's what the conclusion that Captain Picard draws, how precious

1031
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:30.719
the right to choose is.

1032
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:32.880
Yes.

1033
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.039
Make a bloody choice then.

1034
00:45:35.099 --> 00:45:36.780
Come on, let's get it done.

1035
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.159
He's not going to play it safe.

1036
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:40.380
I like that.

1037
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.440
I actually like. a good thing. do you know what?

1038
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:46.139
It is underwritten, but I don't think the dialogue is terrible.

1039
00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:47.099
No.

1040
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.699
And it is at least interesting, you know?

1041
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.940
It's trying to do something interesting with the premise for about

1042
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:54.420
2 minutes.

1043
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:55.860
Yeah, that's right.

1044
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:56.880
Five minutes.

1045
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:57.900
Now we're back to this.

1046
00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:01.800
No, there's lightning coming through the window.

1047
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.480
Yeah.

1048
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:05.940
And again, it's not just his decision either.

1049
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.380
That's the thing too.

1050
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.340
It's not Picard's put in a decision where in a position where he

1051
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:14.400
has to make a decision or not make a decision because everyone

1052
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.980
like a Mosley and the whole planet.

1053
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.019
They've all agreed that we're going to do that.

1054
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:23.519
I'm going to ask you to squint as well and imagine an episode

1055
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.380
where, you know, that argument that we just had was married to a

1056
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:33.780
truly gripping, you know, yeah, environmental disaster or

1057
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:34.440
scenario.

1058
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.300
Yeah, where we really cared.

1059
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.099
It would make it land even more, wouldn't it?

1060
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.699
We'd be like, well, this is the hinge point of this episode and I

1061
00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:47.099
really care what happens to these people.

1062
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.880
This is very dramatic.

1063
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:51.780
Well, they can't do it because they can't depict a planet on Star

1064
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:52.679
Trek at this point.

1065
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:53.760
Do you know what I mean?

1066
00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:55.199
They can do an establishing shot.

1067
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:57.119
They can do the 3 people in a room.

1068
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:59.820
There's a bit of lightning happening there out the window.

1069
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:03.059
I think they can go back to who watches the watchers.

1070
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.300
That was a really interestingly depicted planet with the same

1071
00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:06.719
argument.

1072
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:07.860
Can we interfere?

1073
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.000
What choice can we make?

1074
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:09.599
Yeah, yeah.

1075
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:11.400
They can do one person.

1076
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:13.980
Yeah.

1077
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.159
Well, and that's done with lots of fabulous location work.

1078
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:18.420
I'm totally sold on that money.

1079
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.380
Yeah, that's right.

1080
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:20.159
Yeah, that's true.

1081
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:22.079
Yeah, here we go now.

1082
00:47:22.139 --> 00:47:24.179
Yeah, yeah, some proper special effects.

1083
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:28.139
These must be the sort of high definition ones that have been

1084
00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:28.559
replaced.

1085
00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:30.659
I wonder what the originals were like.

1086
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.920
Yeah, yeah, I did mean to go back and have one.

1087
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:38.400
Blue cloud cover or whatever. plasma particles coming over the

1088
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:38.639
planet.

1089
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.480
Yeah, well that, no, I think that's like the real thing coming

1090
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:42.900
back.

1091
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.780
And I think for a 2nd it looks like it's gone wrong, although we

1092
00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:48.599
know that it's not the moment whether we know that Geordie's on

1093
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:49.260
the ship.

1094
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.739
Matt Ford gets to do a bit of sort of shake the camera acting.

1095
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.679
Yes, the ship is buffered about, you know.

1096
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:57.960
And he's looking concerned there.

1097
00:47:58.019 --> 00:48:00.599
He's playing concern because he doesn't know how this is going to

1098
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:01.079
turn out.

1099
00:48:01.139 --> 00:48:03.960
So he but no one's paying any attention to him.

1100
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:04.380
So.

1101
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.539
Oh, that was fabulous.

1102
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.840
That was another stock shop from a counterfoulpoint, but with the

1103
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.159
special effect put over the top of it.

1104
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:12.780
Bravo.

1105
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.559
I think the ship turning around is stock, though, like that ship

1106
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.400
turning around, but that shot from behind the back of it is, I

1107
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:20.639
think.

1108
00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:23.820
Oh, oh, it's all alright, Captain.

1109
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:24.539
We're still breathing.

1110
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:25.559
Yeah, of course.

1111
00:48:25.619 --> 00:48:27.119
Of course we are.

1112
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:30.840
Othello goes, you know, oh, I could kiss you, Captain Picard.

1113
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:31.380
Thank you.

1114
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:37.199
I, I really like, there's something about the way these things are

1115
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.539
directed where, you know, you're down on the, like, something

1116
00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:46.559
which this show does more than TOS does, which is the

1117
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.500
communication enables them to all be in the same place, no matter

1118
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:52.619
where they are, and that conversations happen just between people

1119
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:54.239
in kind of different places.

1120
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:58.559
And I do like that when you have the characters down on the planet

1121
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.980
looking into the camera and stuff as if they're talking to us, I

1122
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:02.639
think that's kind of cool.

1123
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:06.539
A climax feels so functional after all that dialogue.

1124
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.639
It's just like, well, I'll be off then, captain.

1125
00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:09.480
That's that dumb.

1126
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:09.780
Yep.

1127
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:10.260
You know?

1128
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:15.059
It should feel like a triumph, you know, that he's overcome.

1129
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.000
He's gone through this moral dilemma and they've had a great

1130
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.300
result, but it's just like, no, you know, thank you, Captain

1131
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:21.900
Picard.

1132
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:22.500
See you later.

1133
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:29.760
Well, it's this, but I mean, none of them goes, this is very, see

1134
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.920
they're not, they already know, don't they?

1135
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:33.179
Do they know what they're saying?

1136
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:34.800
Yeah, they're looking...

1137
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:36.059
No, but did they know?

1138
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.579
Did they know when Picard was having that speech?

1139
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:44.579
I don't think that speech works if he, if, or no, that means he's

1140
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.599
lying for the whole thing.

1141
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.079
No, from the past, do they?

1142
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.639
They don't know that he's from the past.

1143
00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:54.300
Just as Matt Threwer left during that big old scene. stealing

1144
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:54.480
shit.

1145
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:56.820
That's when wolf walked in and went. you know, we've got a lot of

1146
00:49:56.820 --> 00:49:58.860
things going missing.

1147
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.360
Oh, the I said to you, the inside that this shuttle looks just

1148
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:04.920
like the gift wrap I sell in my shop.

1149
00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:08.820
This sort of hologramatic gift bags all over the world.

1150
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.219
What was it Cogenitor or something?

1151
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.199
What was the one?

1152
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:16.559
No, no, no. past future tense, something like that.

1153
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:20.219
No, no, I'm thinking, no, I'm thinking of something in enterprise

1154
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:24.659
where they use that kind of hologrammatic printed wallpaper in

1155
00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:27.719
some episode, which I thought was very 60s trek.

1156
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:29.699
It was co-genitor.

1157
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:30.000
No.

1158
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:30.960
Oh, maybe.

1159
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.079
It was the one where the... was unexpected, wasn't it?

1160
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:35.280
Oh, yes.

1161
00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:36.239
Yes, yes, yes.

1162
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:38.519
What he was going on in that trippy spaceship, wasn't it?

1163
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:42.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah Sniffing magic muffrooms.

1164
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:46.800
I quite like the door handle and stuff.

1165
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:48.300
I mean, if we'd seen more of that.

1166
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.440
Do you know what I mean?

1167
00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:52.619
Like if we'd seen, if he had brought some technology from the

1168
00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:56.340
future to sell to us that he was from the future.

1169
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.960
And if they had been impressed by it and had been pestering him

1170
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.039
about the future more urgently, and he'd, like he does make it

1171
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:06.900
clear in the episode, he's not going to answer those.

1172
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:07.559
I think that looks great.

1173
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:08.219
Look at that.

1174
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.320
Nice chairs.

1175
00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:12.059
It's okay.

1176
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:13.920
He's stolen it.

1177
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:16.500
He's stolen at one of Worf's knives as well.

1178
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.000
And one of Geordie's voices.

1179
00:51:18.059 --> 00:51:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1180
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.960
He's going to make our minds in the past, yeah.

1181
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:24.179
Well, he did ask about the visor, didn't he?

1182
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:24.599
Yeah.

1183
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.480
Data does get a wonderful line here about.

1184
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.280
I'm assuming your hand for your work.

1185
00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:31.260
We could, whether you're conscious or not.

1186
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.059
It's so great because he's been being threatened and he hasn't

1187
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:40.800
reacted to it because of course, um, his data.

1188
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:45.360
But then he says something just massively threatening to through

1189
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.139
it. kind of, I am now going to knock you unconscious unless you

1190
00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:51.599
cooperate. is essentially what I'm saying.

1191
00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.119
I did just see a boom mic in shot there.

1192
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:55.260
Just for a 2nd.

1193
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:56.159
Yeah.

1194
00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:04.260
Even in the 90s. it's probably just a low roof Because they're

1195
00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:06.539
doing something to the sound in here to make it sound like a

1196
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:08.099
confined space too, aren't they?

1197
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.039
I remember the Star Trek program, guys, by Paul Cornell, Keith

1198
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.239
Topping and Martin Day.

1199
00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:16.320
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1200
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.280
Giving this a hugely positive appraisal, but disliking the ending

1201
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.519
because they say Rasmussen's such a likeable man.

1202
00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:28.739
I'm not sure I'll buy that, that it feels, it feels wrong, that

1203
00:52:28.739 --> 00:52:31.440
that he's sort of arrested at the end of the episode, and it

1204
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:35.639
actually makes the Starfleet characters...

1205
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.679
Yeah, it's even very unlikeable.

1206
00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:41.219
Whereas, yeah, Picard's lied. welcome to the 24th century.

1207
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:41.940
I think it's great.

1208
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:49.320
In fact, what it's like the ironic punishment is that he will now

1209
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.980
spend the rest of his life filling in questionnaires and being

1210
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:55.920
patronised by people who are actually from the future.

1211
00:52:55.980 --> 00:52:58.019
You know where he's going, don't you?

1212
00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.219
The Day Strow Institute.

1213
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:00.239
That's where he's going.

1214
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.079
He's from Institute.

1215
00:53:01.139 --> 00:53:01.559
That's right.

1216
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.840
But, you know, he's going to be patronised.

1217
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:04.920
I think that's really good.

1218
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:11.219
And I also think deactivating the gun remotely is clever, you know

1219
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:14.280
once the door is open, we can automatically deactivate all the

1220
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.199
weapons, and that's cool.

1221
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.239
Just all feels flat.

1222
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1223
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:24.179
Yeah.

1224
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:27.300
And I'm just not sure Nighty Shrek can do it.

1225
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.599
You know, I go bang on a lot about the episode with the fake

1226
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.260
Janeway and Chevok, where they're going around planets and falling

1227
00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:36.480
people into thinking they're the...

1228
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.760
That is so flat as well, you know.

1229
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:42.780
It's like they just can't have enough fun to make it really fun.

1230
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.039
No.

1231
00:53:44.099 --> 00:53:46.500
Have we had we have had Andra.

1232
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.679
See, I think Andre is a confidence trickster who is pretending to

1233
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:51.659
be something that she's not and she is really fun.

1234
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.599
But it's less sort of witty that's more camp.

1235
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:56.579
If you like a bit of camp, yeah, yeah.

1236
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.500
Yeah, maybe that's it.

1237
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.320
And what about the outrageous O'Connor?

1238
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:05.760
Where Sexy William O'Canbell comes on...

1239
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:07.019
I mean, he fucks Terri Hash up.

1240
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:08.400
That's about audio issues.

1241
00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:09.360
Well, there you go.

1242
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:13.019
And he's back in prodigy a fair bit too.

1243
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:16.139
Oh, they do want on DF9 as well. rivals.

1244
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.380
Do you remember that fellow Martyrs, who comes on the station with

1245
00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:20.519
those gambling machines?

1246
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.320
And he's a convict.

1247
00:54:22.380 --> 00:54:24.059
It's so boring.

1248
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.440
They just can't do it.

1249
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:26.880
They can't do it.

1250
00:54:26.940 --> 00:54:28.019
Confidence streak star.

1251
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:28.559
No.

1252
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:31.380
Maybe maybe we'll all come across one.

1253
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:35.400
But it's like, it's like they're trying to recapture Harry Mudd

1254
00:54:35.460 --> 00:54:36.059
are they?

1255
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.260
Yeah, they just can't find that.

1256
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:38.219
That's what I was thinking too.

1257
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.659
And they don't manage to do it.

1258
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.440
And I think it's telling the discovery attempts Harry Martin in

1259
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.400
season one. it lands makes him terrifying as well.

1260
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:52.440
Yeah, but also camp and funny too. and it's kind of like we can do

1261
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.320
this 90 straight couldn't but we can do it now.

1262
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:03.300
Well, I have to say that was a very middling episode of Star Trek

1263
00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:03.840
the Next Generation.

1264
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:06.900
We may have tempted fate recently by suggesting that we've done

1265
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:10.199
too many good and bad episodes and that we need some middling

1266
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:10.500
episodes.

1267
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:13.320
And that delivered with great results.

1268
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.119
Yeah, yeah.

1269
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:19.019
I mean, the next episode is new ground, and that is thoroughly

1270
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:19.500
tedious.

1271
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.239
Can get the comes back.

1272
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:22.139
Yeah.

1273
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:23.880
It's the only the only thing that happens in it.

1274
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:27.119
There's another sort of environmental disaster and there's these

1275
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.599
little puppet creatures called Gilvos that Alexander likes in the

1276
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:30.840
school.

1277
00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:33.900
And when the enterprise is almost destroyed at the end.

1278
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.380
Wharf has to go and rescue the little guild.

1279
00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:38.340
Yeah, yeah.

1280
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.360
It is awful.

1281
00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:41.400
I love puppets, though.

1282
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.579
I'm a big fan of puppet aliens in Star Trek.

1283
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.980
What are you going to buy the Nagus, the one he was stroking in

1284
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:47.519
the Nagus.

1285
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:47.940
Do you remember?

1286
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:48.780
No, no.

1287
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.920
I'm thinking the one that, um, this is very weird scene in the

1288
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:58.559
most toys, where there's that weird hand puppet in a fish tank, and

1289
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.639
Data's feeding it and just going, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou, Lou

1290
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:03.000
Lou.

1291
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.480
I really, tonelessly for no reason, and it's just sort of

1292
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.260
fantastically weird and and odd.

1293
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.699
Could I suggest it is possibly telling that instead of summarising

1294
00:56:14.699 --> 00:56:16.019
our thoughts on this episode?

1295
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:20.460
We are talking about more fun other episodes. the next generation

1296
00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:21.179
right.

1297
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:25.739
I don't think it is an irredeemable premise.

1298
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.079
I think it could be gray.

1299
00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:29.099
It isn't.

1300
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:30.179
No.

1301
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.480
And there's one very passable scene.

1302
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.420
And the rest sort of just ticks by.

1303
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.440
Yeah.

1304
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:41.760
Look, I mean, I like this version of Star Trek, and so I am kind

1305
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.340
of happy to watch them turn up and do their jobs in a way.

1306
00:56:44.340 --> 00:56:49.739
And because it's also been kind of roundly mocked in lower decks

1307
00:56:49.739 --> 00:56:53.519
that whole sort of version of Star Trek, I find myself feeling

1308
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.079
very affectionate towards it.

1309
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:57.239
Justifiably mocked, I would say.

1310
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:58.800
Yeah, 0 yeah, no, I agree.

1311
00:56:58.860 --> 00:57:04.019
But they're doing some things for the 1st time here and they're

1312
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:08.460
attempting the giant premise, which is their job, isn't it?

1313
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.880
It's this week is the one where the guy comes back from the past.

1314
00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:15.900
This week is the one where Picard has to speak to an alien on an

1315
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:16.860
alien planet.

1316
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.019
You know, this is the one where the game happens.

1317
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:23.340
Like, they're doing big giant memorable premises, which is exactly

1318
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:27.900
what they need to be doing, but I just think maybe a combination

1319
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:32.340
of Rick Berman's writing and Robin Williams's absence kind of sink

1320
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:32.699
this one.

1321
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.800
Yeah, and I do think some premises tickle my testicles better than

1322
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:38.099
others.

1323
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:42.059
And stuff like the game and disaster and things like that.

1324
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.480
Yeah, you know, where there is a bit more of an injection of

1325
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:45.900
character.

1326
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.340
Think of those, all those pair offs in disaster and various parts

1327
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:55.260
of the ship. or the excellent romantic chemistry between Robin

1328
00:57:55.260 --> 00:57:56.820
Leffler and Wesley Crusher in the game.

1329
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.599
There's sort of nothing to hang this one on in terms of character

1330
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:01.079
work.

1331
00:58:01.139 --> 00:58:06.239
So if you're less enamoured with a day in the life of the

1332
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.739
Enterprise D crude as I am, there isn't much to enjoy.

1333
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:12.840
Yeah.

1334
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:22.619
Well, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to find

1335
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:24.599
out what we're going to be doing next time.

1336
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.559
This was my pick last week.

1337
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.280
And so it's your turn with the Randomiser, Joe, what series are we

1338
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:32.760
choosing?

1339
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:37.980
I am choosing all of Kurtzman Star Trek.

1340
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.059
We have spent far too long watching mediocre 90s trek, and it's

1341
00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:44.159
time for us to watch something with production value.

1342
00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:47.699
Yeah, it's a mediocre 21st century trick, probably.

1343
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:49.260
Okay.

1344
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:50.639
All right press the button.

1345
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:51.780
Right.

1346
00:58:52.019 --> 00:59:00.539
Your Star Trek Discovery episode is season four, episode eight, all

1347
00:59:00.539 --> 00:59:00.719
in.

1348
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:08.519
So, this is the episode where, so we have that fight.

1349
00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:11.219
It may actually be after but to connect, I think.

1350
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:13.079
See, after the midseason break.

1351
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:17.699
I think it's after the mid-season break and it is we go to a

1352
00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:23.880
casino planet where Book and Michael play poker in order to get

1353
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:28.739
some, you know, phlebottonum or something, some unobtanium, some

1354
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:33.900
McGuffin, and... they play out the conflict that they have their

1355
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:35.400
interpersonal conflict.

1356
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:40.320
It's very Star Trekie in the midst of a plot that has been very

1357
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:43.559
sombre and serious, has seen books planet destroyed and all of

1358
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.039
that, and it's kind of, all right, off to a casino planet for a

1359
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.699
game of poker.

1360
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.920
They have all the energy, fun, and wit that was lacking from a

1361
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.380
matter of time, from memory, yes.

1362
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.599
Well, then that's the one we're going to do.

1363
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:01.619
Because and I think it's, I think it's worth us going back to

1364
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:05.940
season 4 of Discovery, so we can talk about that a bit more as

1365
01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:06.179
well.

1366
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.900
Although really, what we need to do is push to the end of the

1367
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:12.000
season where it all culminates.

1368
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.760
Where we tend to land is in the middle.

1369
01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:17.219
But, hey, it's a good season by all accounts.

1370
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:18.179
So, yeah.

1371
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:19.739
Okay, brilliant. lets do that.

1372
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:20.699
Let's do it.

1373
01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:33.900
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1374
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:35.099
and Nathan Bottomley.

1375
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.519
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1376
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.219
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1377
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.179
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1378
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:46.739
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1379
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:50.699
This episode was recorded on the 6th of February, 2024, and

1380
01:00:50.699 --> 01:00:52.199
released on the 9th of February.

1381
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:56.039
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery. all in.

1382
01:01:12.539 --> 01:01:13.980
Okay.

1383
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.300
Sounds fun.

1384
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.820
Just let me check out that stride.

1385
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:20.400
Star Trek Discovery coming home.

1386
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:27.539
I keep hearing about the DMA, which is the Digital Marketing Act

1387
01:01:27.539 --> 01:01:31.440
the Digital Markets Act in the EU, but all I hear is dark matter

1388
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.380
anomaly, which is from season four.

1389
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.000
Have you noticed this?

1390
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.340
What's that?

1391
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.980
Jama's got a randomiser.

1392
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:44.699
That one's not original out there these days.

1393
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.260
Did he just put it up?

1394
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.219
Was it our idea?

1395
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.360
because we've been mocking him?

1396
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:54.480
Say, ah, so Bam gets 2.5 stars.

1397
01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:57.480
Wait, I want to see what he gives this episode.

1398
01:01:57.539 --> 01:01:58.739
Hang on, where are we?

1399
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.960
I love it. b, b, b, b.

1400
01:02:01.019 --> 01:02:02.699
No, it's having fun and he won't love it.

1401
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.400
Are all in.

1402
01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah.

1403
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.940
Oh, 2 stars. 2 or four.

1404
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.440
No, that's bullshit.

1405
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:14.579
All in disgrace the subject, but not the spirit of this week's

1406
01:02:14.579 --> 01:02:19.320
discovery episode, a routine stopgap sort of episode, lacking

1407
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:19.860
ambition.

1408
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.699
No, no, that's absolutely not what it is.

1409
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.739
It's putting them all together.

1410
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.099
It is the episode after straight after but to connect.

1411
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.940
So the scene where he flies off in the spaceship and she's there

1412
01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:34.079
going, oh, shit.

1413
01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:39.119
And then we have to wait for like 2 months.

1414
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:44.099
No, like 6 weeks and then the show comes back and it introduces

1415
01:02:44.099 --> 01:02:48.599
just this incredible run of 6 episodes starting with all in.

1416
01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:53.400
And what all in does is take what was a big political conflict, and

1417
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.400
a big personal conflict that was too big for them to speak about

1418
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.579
and then puts them in the episode together to talk about it, and

1419
01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:01.619
to compete with one another.

1420
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:05.639
And it's like it's ridiculous, but it's properly ridiculous in a

1421
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:06.480
Star Trek way.

1422
01:03:06.539 --> 01:03:10.920
I was just saying more, uh, What the comments.

1423
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.480
Oh, because they they will agree with you.

1424
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:18.059
I'm sorry, they will disag, they will disagree.

1425
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:18.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1426
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.280
Not really. couple.

1427
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:26.760
Um, Oh, I'm going in blind.

1428
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:28.079
I don't really know anything, do I?

1429
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:31.320
Although he does say here, the inclusion of a DS9 changeling as a

1430
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:32.159
casual throwaway.

1431
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:34.079
Yeah, that's one.

1432
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:36.659
Yeah, exciting. exciting.

1433
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:38.159
Okay.

1434
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:39.239
Wow, yeah.

1435
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:40.920
That'll be this one.

1436
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.059
Let me save this.

1437
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.059
Let me quickly jump in the bath.

1438
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.320
Uh, but...

1439
01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:50.400
I mean, yeah, that was fun.

1440
01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:51.900
That was, well, it was fun talking to you.

1441
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah