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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, after last week's triumphant episode of Star Trek Picard, we decided to give Star Trek the next generation ago, and there's roughly a 50% chance, I think, of getting an acceptable episode.

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Oh, you think as high as that, do you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think we've got one of the greats and one of that is actually a lot better than even I remember.

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I held it in sort of quite high regard before, but I thought this was better than I remember.

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So this is series four, episode seven, reunion, and it's the 2nd one in a row that we have done directed by Jonathan Frakes.

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So we watch one from 2023 that he directed and this is one that he directed in 1990, just when he's starting out as a director.

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And obviously the one in 2023 was technically more competent, but you can see signs of the greatness to come in the direction of this as well, I think.

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I went exploring online to see how I felt about this because I knew I'd written 2 reviews about this.

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And one I gave it 10 out of 10 and the other one I gave it 5 stars out of 5 stars.

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I've always loved this.

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It's truly in TNG's era of confidence, isn't it?

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We've gone through the very, very rough patch of one and two.

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Three is the show pulling its act together and now four is essentially just producing one banger after another.

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Yeah, this is Star Trek, the Next Generation's imperial phase, I think.

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But it's doing something interesting because Star Trek is a procedural, as we said many times, and it was aiming for syndication, which meant that it had to be able to be watched in kind of any order.

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But what we're getting now is the 3rd Klingon episode in a row that, um, you do technically have to watch in order for them to make sense.

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Well, but there's enough sort of said.

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I mean, we kind of get it.

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So in series one, we had Heart of Glory, which isn't about anything and doesn't end up going anywhere.

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Series 2 has the emissary, like towards the end, and so that's where Kayla is introduced.

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And then last year we had Duras and Kempeck in Sins of the Father, and we do a surprising thing at the end of that episode, which is we change the actual kind of nature of the character.

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So he's no longer just a sort of Klingon foundling who has joined Starfleet.

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He's actually been rejected by his society.

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So all of that stuff explored his backstory and stuff, but then changed the character.

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And we've had that mentioned from time to time, I think, his discommodation.

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And this is where it's truly explored, isn't it?

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That concept.

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Yeah.

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So, okay, maybe maybe you don't have to watch them in order, but it's so much more satisfying if you do it.

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I remember watching this when I was a nipper and it was like chapters in a book, you know, the different Klingon episodes.

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And I think it was really the only part of TNG that was doing that.

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And it's Ron Moore's influence for the most part because I think it's in 3 when Ron Moore comes in and he starts writing essentially every single Klingon episode.

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So he's driving that narrative right through until series 7.

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So here he gets one of the story credits, but is that right?

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And not a teleplay credit?

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I can't remember.

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But him and Braga are both involved, but there's a larger number of people, apparently, but everything is building on this one thread.

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And it's something that is normal for Star Trek now, but kind of unusual.

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Well, I mean, for a show that is not serialised.

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It's absolutely normal to have like a guest star who turns up once a year and we do the Luaksana Troy episode every season, for instance.

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But what this decides to do is to do the Klingon episode, but have them all build on one another and to have some political thing happen.

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We've already established right away that the Federation is now at peace with the Klingons and they're allies, and that's something that's established.

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You know, it's one of the basic things about Star Trek, the next generation, and something that says something about what sort of show it is.

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And then we have the Romulans, who are obviously reintroduced at the end of series one and who are now kind of involved as well.

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We don't see any of them here, but they're involved in the assassination plot and they're trying to get Duras to succeed Cempeck.

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And all of that stuff is so deep space 9 because again, you have a sort of geopolitical thing happening.

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It's not just we were at war with the Klingons and now we're not or something like that.

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It's there are big powers, and they tend to be what the Romulans, the Klingons, the Vulcans, later on the Cardassians get added to the mix and so on.

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But not the town rights or the Andorians, oddly.

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And so all of that stuff is, there's a direct line here to Deep Space 9, isn't there?

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and the way Deep Space 9 functions.

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And again, it is more, and Ira Bear as well, who I think has some part of unification and things like that.

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You can see that sort of thinking in this way now, aren't they?

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Empires rather than just the ship and that's what they take across to Deep Space 9.

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It's extraordinarily good this, isn't it, as well?

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Just as a piece of drama in its own right.

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What you said there about consequences.

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Wolf really is like the one character on this show that has consequences as a character, isn't it?

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Like, if Kayla comes in in this episode, she dies.

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Alexander comes in and then he goes on and he's a father.

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Like, as a result of being the central figure of this Klingon saga that's running through the next generation.

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Worf is the one character that's actually getting some development as they go along.

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So no wonder he heads over to DS9 as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, Commander Data has an episode each year and an episode with a family member.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like we have law and we have brothers and we have Noni and Suns.

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That's kind of a backstory rather than development.

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He doesn't change his character.

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No, that's exactly right.

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It doesn't change the character.

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And even when something like Troy gets a promotion in one episode, she's still Troy from week to week, you know?

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Whereas Wolf has to learn to be a father in season 5 and 6 in some pretty interminable scenes, I'll be honest.

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Yeah, no, it doesn't always work, but it is a surprising thing and it's a thing that this show, I don't think, ever intended to do, but then finds itself doing.

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And that's a good thing and that plays into every Star Trek that comes afterwards, I think.

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This is Bragger's 1st script.

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Ah, that's something I did glean from memory alpha.

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And no wonder they wanted him back after this because it's a bloody good script.

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Um, I've got some quotes before we go into the episode, um, because everyone's got something to say about Kayla and her eventual demise in this episode.

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Michael Pilla says, I killed Kayla.

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The original idea was about Worf's kid and bringing Kayla back, who was having a relationship with Duras.

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But when we started talking about how to make the story work, I'm the one that says she should die, you wanted to get to a place where Warf was going to have to take Duras apart and there's no real good reason for him to do it unless she died.

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He had it coming.

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Bill says.

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Yeah.

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Rob Moore then goes on to add, we love Susie and that character, but it worked because you cared about her and we made an effort not to do it capriciously and for no reason, just to get her off the show so Worf wouldn't have to deal with her.

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Anybody who watches that episode is moved and outraged by the killing of Kayla.

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You're mad and you need the same vengeance that Worf does.

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If we've tapped into those feelings.

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So when Worf goes back to his quarters and grabs that sword and the audience is screaming for Duras's head, then you've done it.

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I remember feeling that and I remember feeling there was no way back for warf.

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That was what was exciting when I 1st watched this.

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I was like, if he does this, that's his career done, he's done on this show.

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I remember and I was sort of screaming at him not to do it because I was like, oh, no, I love Wolf at this point.

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We'll get there, but what I think is the best thing about this episode is that this is a show that almost always resolves itself in a talky scene.

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And so having it resolve itself in a bit of action that is surprising because we even give him a way out of it.

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We have this bit of dialogue where Riker says, you know, we'll have to use maximum stun on him, and they arrive in time to stop him, and you think that that's how it's going to be resolved, and it's not resolved that way.

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And I think it's such a surprise for that action, you know, for an action thing, a bit of violence to resolve an episode.

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It nearly never happens.

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It so good.

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It's so refreshing.

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I remember being shocked when I was younger by the sight of how much blood there was around KR.

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It was such a sort of visceral visual shock that I was like, what is going on?

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Suddenly I was out of cosy next generation territory and in something a bit more dangerous.

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You know?

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I remember being so excited in that climax. in a way that most next generation climax where they waved the techno babble stick where I was just going, oh, please, you know.

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Yeah, it was so good.

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And what pleases me is because we've done a lot of these now.

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And there's been plenty of times where I've said to you, oh, that one's great, you know. and then we've watched it and it turned out no, it's a part of crap.

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This is still great.

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I still have the same reaction when I watched it today. thank goodness It's really good.

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Well we should probably watch the thing.

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What do you think?

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Yeah.

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I will count us in then.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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And we're off.

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Okay.

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Stock Enterprise shot for the 1st year.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just straight from Encounter at Far Point again.

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Did you say to me they never shot it again?

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Um, no, but they, it's very rare for an episode of Star Trek, The Next Generation, not to have footage in it that was shot for, for an encounter a car, for...

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Encounter it far, Q, we used to call it.

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Oh, look, this, he's sporting the Wesley Cup that I asked my hairdresser for, do you see?

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Make me look like this geek.

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Ah, look, that ship is so beautiful, isn't it?

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No wonder we keep coming back to that.

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By the time we got to generations and we could shoot it, big budget, it looked amazing, the Klingon design.

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Yeah, no, but this is the big cruiser rather than the uh, rather than the warbird, which we get known, what are they called?

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I can't remember what they call, but whatever, the Klingon.

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Yeah.

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Is it Warbird?

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One of the Romulans called?

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I rely on you for these sort of details, yeah.

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I can remember.

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Usually you're hot on ship design.

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Yeah, no.

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I think what's great about that is that when she appears, she's massive.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, she appears on that massive screen and she's huge, and then we get this sort of little conversation, and then as he says, you know, Captain out or whatever, she just blinks very slowly, and she's kind of like completely in control of that conversation.

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She's very good.

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She is like the living embodiment of I don't give a shit character, isn't she?

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She's so smooth.

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Yeah, she's smooth, but she, she's smart and she, like, she's really good.

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Like, I think I think she's just tremendous.

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We'll talk about it as we go through it, but she's shown to be just a fantastic mother as well in this as well as being a brilliant sort of politician as well. just amazingly good.

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I love warfare. like, excuse me, sir.

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Because Wolf looks down at something shorter.

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Like Worf looks down at Alexander before we see what he's reacting to.

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He's really good.

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My one complaint about this episode is it is that dream.

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Remember that cod electronic romantic music we had for the Troy episode recently?

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There's a bit more of that going on in here as well.

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During the domestic scenes, there is some good music, though.

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It's usually the sort of the grandiose Klingon music that's really good, I think.

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Yeah.

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Can I just say the bit where Wolf said to Picard, oh, so, yeah, it feels as if I should be allowed off this assignment.

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My ex squeeze is about to beam on the ship and Picard goes, will you pull yourself together?

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Lieutenant Worf.

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You don't decide you're not going to be on an assignment just because she's your ex.

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Oh, it's great.

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It's so good.

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It's also that you're not going to skulk.

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You're not going to skulk around every time we deal with Klingons.

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You know, all of that stuff is really good, I think.

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Warfish laws to confront so much in this episode and Dawn plays it all brilliantly, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Having to face his ex and his kid in his workplace, you know?

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Yeah.

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Whilst digging in with that whole sort of dishonour plot as well.

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So the kid was conceived 2 years ago in series 2, episode 20.

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Well, where he's grown very fast then.

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Yeah.

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And he will continue to grow very fast.

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He is an adult by the time he appears, sort of an adolescent by the time he appears in Deep Space 9, which is like 10 years or something.

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With a completely different cadence to his voice.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And this is the 1st Alexander.

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He'll be recast when he becomes a semi regular.

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And that's Brian Bonsall, who was the tiny Keaton in family ties in the last season.

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And he also grew very quickly.

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So that was a baby and then the next season it was a five-year-old or something.

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So, you know me?

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not above criticising child actors and things. because I feel like there are some great child actors out there.

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Unfortunately, Brian Bosnell or Bonzo, whatever his name is. he's not one of them This child cannot act.

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And unfortunately, we do have scenes many scenes in season 5 and 6 that are bombed because he is, God, he's just lifeless, isn't he?

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I think he's cute in, what's the higher the fewer?

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What that one?

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Oh, cost of living?

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Cost of living?

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So fun.

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No, but Major Barrett is playing all of those.

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She's putting in all the work.

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Of course she is.

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I call it the Hannah Hate effect.

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She's adorable.

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She's gorgeous.

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She's absolutely gorgeous, but...

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You can't criticise her acting.

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She's like, fine. or something.

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He's in my womb Tell me a storm.

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She's tiny.

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She's manuscule.

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I just I wasn't above, you know, being me.

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So, so I really, I like this, I like this a lot.

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And so she's our 1st half Klingon, isn't she?

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I think so, yeah.

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I think so.

214
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Yeah.

215
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And so clearly, you know, liking this character probably leads us to B'lana eventually.

216
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It means Susie Paxton gets to be sexy because it's only half the level of makeup.

217
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They've got to put on her face.

218
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

219
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Yeah.

220
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And she's so relaxed.

221
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Like, she's terribly smart.

222
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All of this stuff, she's super competent.

223
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And later when she investigates.

224
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It, one of those scenes that it's a great Star Trek investigation.

225
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You know, something that would be someone sitting at a computer or going through filing cabinets or something is just her talking to the computer.

226
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And so we get to, you know, Star Trek can dramatise a thing like that.

227
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Um, Uh, and she's smart and she gets there and it's the fact that she gets so close is what kills her, which I think is really great too.

228
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That investigation scene, which just looks like either exposition or explaining what her character is thinking, actually plays a huge part in how the episode ends up moving.

229
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Okay, Brent Spider and they're saying, he's like, no, I'm the one that normally does the exposition.

230
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I'm just sitting in doing nothing right now. while this guest actor's coming in and taking my job.

231
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No, she is she is hyper-competent though, isn't she?

232
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Everything she does.

233
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I mean, I love the bit in the turbo lift we just had there, where she goes to Walt.

234
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You're not going to bite me for old time's sakes, you know.

235
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Bite on the cheek.

236
00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:09.119
Who hasn't sent that to an ex in the past, you know?

237
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Oh, these things, yeah.

238
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Now, can I ask you a question about, yeah, people sort of use the word Shakespearean to describe any sort of drama that's operatic in television these days.

239
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Does this have Shakespearean leanings?

240
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Because I'm not really much an expert.

241
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Is it aiming for that though?

242
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No, I don't think so.

243
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It's a little bit, I guess, it's Shakespeare in the sense that Shakespeare has sort of history plays.

244
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Do you know what I mean?

245
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And, you know, things about kings and stuff like that.

246
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I mean, this is this is sort of like I, Claudius or something in a way, isn't it?

247
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So, so I love the fact that, like, he looks really sick, probably sick.

248
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He's been poisoned and he goes, it's in the wine and then he drinks the wine because if you fuck it, like I'm a waste of wine.

249
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I'm dead anyway, which I think is really great.

250
00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:05.519
He plays the whole scene as if I cannot be bothered with this fucking culture anymore.

251
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Give me some more work.

252
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Get some more poison in it, you know?

253
00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:10.799
He's really good in this.

254
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So he is in Star Trek five as a Klingon, is he the Klingon ambassador in Star Trek five?

255
00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:21.420
Okay.

256
00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:23.039
Anyway, he's in Star Trek 5.

257
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And so he comes back for sins of the Father, and it's all that, the thing about sins of the Father is, and it is, is that it's kind of Klingon real politic, you know, like it's not honour or anything like that.

258
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It's like we're just going to let Worf take the fall because he's in the Federation anyway and we can't afford to have the House of Duras dishonoured.

259
00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:55.259
And the joy of this is watching Susie Plaxen's character, Kayla, unpick the mystery of what happened there and figure it out.

260
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And obviously that's what signs her death warrant.

261
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But that episode completely informs this one.

262
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

263
00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:03.000
Yeah, it's brilliant, isn't it?

264
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She finds out what happens.

265
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But she also does talk.

266
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I think she's given the chance to talk about honour being an excuse or like a pretext or something.

267
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It's something we come back to in that brilliant speech adversary taxes, isn't it?

268
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That's mine.

269
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Yeah.

270
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And she sort of says, isn't it?

271
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You've got this mad piratical culture where you get ahead by murdering the person in charge.

272
00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:32.819
Well, he sort of plays this scene as if he's been sick to death of looking over his shoulder his whole life, but the next person coming up behind him with a bat left.

273
00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:33.779
I think he wants out.

274
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Well, he's lost.

275
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Do you know what I mean?

276
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He lost.

277
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I think he's gone.

278
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He's had enough.

279
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Yeah.

280
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:49.799
And of course, you've got Patrick Stewart here. you know, playing it with every bit of intensity that he would bring to a Shakespearean drama.

281
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But the thing that I like about it too is that he's on the back foot, he's not in control of this situation at all.

282
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Garon, uh, um, Ken Pack, it just makes him do, you know, makes him agree to whatever he wants because he's kind of completely out of his depth.

283
00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:16.019
What I really like about these Klingon episodes is very often TNG is like from the point of view of the ship and the characters on the ship.

284
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And I know we're getting some of that here.

285
00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:24.960
Whereas these episodes, it's more from the point of view of the Klingon culture, redemption certainly is, since the father certainly is.

286
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And that's really quite repressing because then it makes the Enterprise cruise sort of characters in the Klingon story rather than the other way around.

287
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It gives us a different sort of look at them.

288
00:21:35.819 --> 00:22:04.859
I guess it's something that even Star Trek, the original series understands, is that there's, and perhaps it only properly happens in a muck time, although I could be wrong, where having an alien, as one of your regular characters, gives you the chance to actually kind of explore an alien culture or something like that or, you know, to do something a little bit more political.

289
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It's essentially the premise that DS Noise build, is it?

290
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You take all these outcasts from all these different societies, bring them all together and tell a story which is not really about the federation.

291
00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:19.799
Most of the DS 90 is done through a prism of other cultures.

292
00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:23.460
Yeah, which is why you get such interesting views of the federation in that.

293
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It's the only way that you could conceivably do, you know, the big geopolitical thing is by having each person.

294
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Do you know what I mean?

295
00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:36.960
Like each player is represented.

296
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There he is having another drink.

297
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:38.700
Why not?

298
00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:44.339
But TNG, TNG is so the Federation, isn't it?

299
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It's so from that point of view.

300
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This is why we get a bit wearisome with it at times because we're, you know, the prime directors seems to tire us in knots and make things overly complicated, that should be very simple.

301
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I love this shot.

302
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:03.480
Oh, the kids are little, he's trying to growl.

303
00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:04.319
Bless.

304
00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.440
He's terrible.

305
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:12.180
I did notice in that last scene as well.

306
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:17.880
There was an excellent low angle shot with some very dramatic lighting behind.

307
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:19.859
I can't remember what the, what's his name?

308
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:20.400
The Klingon.

309
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:21.599
Ken Peck.

310
00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:23.279
Oh, he's dead now, so don't matter.

311
00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:26.279
But now we're getting the ceiling and stuff.

312
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Do you know what I mean?

313
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:34.140
We're getting we're shooting it from little Alexander's point of view, looking up. enormous in the ceiling.

314
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

315
00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:37.859
Yeah.

316
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:41.099
Jonathan Franks just isn't interested in pointing shoot, is he?

317
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:55.259
I mean, we get there in the end with discovery and that drone zooming about the place, but this is sort of the level I like, you know, I love that shot where wharf stops and then the little boy moves and just keeps walking out of shot is terribly cute.

318
00:23:55.319 --> 00:24:00.119
I love that she's intense in her work and the 2nd Alexander runs in.

319
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:00.720
She's a mother.

320
00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:01.799
She grabs hold of him.

321
00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:09.779
She puts him on her knee and there's a familiarity between the 2 actors that you don't often get between a child and an adult.

322
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:18.720
Usually you can tell that the child's never met the actor before and they're sort of looking off camera at their parents going, well, what's going, you really feel like they're mother and child.

323
00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:19.680
Yeah.

324
00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:23.339
But I love the way that she plays with him as well.

325
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.579
Like, our, you know, whose ways.

326
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:32.039
You mean Klingon ways, you know, um, I'm going to be facetious.

327
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:34.619
That outfit does her figure no good asshole.

328
00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:36.660
It's hideous, that outfit.

329
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.579
Yeah, maybe they didn't want to do sexy Klingon quite so much.

330
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:42.660
I think it's okay.

331
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.039
I mean, she's very tall.

332
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:46.559
She's fabulously impressively tall.

333
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:48.480
So she's in another role.

334
00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:52.980
She's, of course, the famous Dr. Salah in the schizoid man.

335
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:54.779
So she comes a Vulcan.

336
00:24:54.839 --> 00:25:02.400
Yeah, another one that could have come back again and again and what she's mentioned over and over again as later series 7, she's still on board.

337
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.259
I think there's a mention in, yesterday's Enterprise, you hit here.

338
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.000
Dr. Salah, please come to this.

339
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:10.619
Yeah, over and over again.

340
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.059
You hear her being paged.

341
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.640
There's plaxen saying, no, I'm sorry.

342
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.319
My career has gone on to greater things now.

343
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:17.579
I can't come back and play that.

344
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:23.819
But, I mean, this, you know, they, it is actually a big call and they're right.

345
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.259
We like her a lot.

346
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.859
She's really lively in a way that the regulars aren't.

347
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:32.279
Yeah, compare her to Dr. Bev and Troy.

348
00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:33.539
Exactly.

349
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:39.900
And so you kind of just deciding we're going to kill her and we won't have Susie back next year.

350
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.819
That's a big call, I think.

351
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.500
Sort of annoying, though.

352
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.079
You know, because I said to you, that Warf definitely has a type, right?

353
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:50.880
He likes strong commanding women in control of their own minds who don't put up with his shit.

354
00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.460
That's Kayla, and that's definitely Dax.

355
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.759
Well, Dax obviously is a regular on DS9.

356
00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:01.140
So we get to a point where we have a Kayla-esque character as a regular.

357
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.480
So it's sort of annoying that we're not getting it here.

358
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:04.259
Yeah.

359
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:09.480
So I, I like the guy who plays duras.

360
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.119
I think it's something a bit sexy about him.

361
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:13.019
I don't know what to do.

362
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:13.559
I know too.

363
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.819
He's he's really young.

364
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.079
He seems young to me.

365
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:25.980
And so he's, you know, like, and we learn later, don't we, that he's being kind of manipulated by his sisters and they're really in charge?

366
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.079
Look how he's back lit there.

367
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:32.160
Frakes is trying to make his appearance on the screen as imposing as possible.

368
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.660
Like his silhouette is picked out in the light in a really great way.

369
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.940
But we often don't get this right.

370
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.680
When Duras sees wharf going up the ramp to his station.

371
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:57.900
He looks at wharf from the from the screen where we can't manage to do that with 7 and Neelix when they're talking to one another over Zoom at the end of series 7 of.

372
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:04.920
I said to you in the episode we did last week, which was called, no win scenario.

373
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:08.039
That Freights is an actors director, and they also say that.

374
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.500
And that he gets all the reaction shots perfect.

375
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.759
Well, he was even doing it here.

376
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.660
I think he knows the frustration maybe that actors have.

377
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:16.680
Yeah, yeah.

378
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.440
When they watch it back and go, well, I was doing great working.

379
00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:21.180
Why didn't you do a reaction shot?

380
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.700
And so he's getting it all in there early.

381
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.200
Good bloke.

382
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:25.799
Top bloke.

383
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:27.000
Excellent director.

384
00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:30.119
Yeah, and just lovely apparently, I think.

385
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:33.059
Yeah, it's an unusual mix, isn't it?

386
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.460
Highly talented and really nice.

387
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

388
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:37.619
Yeah.

389
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.339
Yeah.

390
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.500
I do love this as well.

391
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.480
The whole Juros Gauron thing.

392
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.079
Like, who is it?

393
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.460
Who's murdered him?

394
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:45.900
Who is trying to take control?

395
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.539
So we've got a murder mystery and we've got a romance, you know, we've got a tragedy come in. all in here.

396
00:27:51.599 --> 00:28:08.160
But, I mean, this kind of works, this episode, even if you haven't seen sins of the Father, and it's partly because this scene tells us what, um, what she's about to find out.

397
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:29.880
So we have this scene, and this scene is an interpersonal one where we have, you know, some conflict between wharfs roll as a Starfleet officer and his role as a Klingon, and in a sense, the same sort of conflict that, that, um, Picard has, because he knows about Jurosa's background as well.

398
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.980
Do you know what I mean?

399
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.980
And so it's going to be hard for him to be impartial in this as well.

400
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:46.740
And then this is all the information that, um, we find out, um, that she finds out, do you know what I mean?

401
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.660
She's finding out what's being told to us here.

402
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:49.680
So it all kind of works.

403
00:28:49.740 --> 00:29:06.539
And I also think too, that the 1st death of a Klingon that we have in this episode is by poison, and it's dishonourable, the next death of a Klingon or 2 Klingons, I think, is it, in the explosion, is also not an honourable death.

404
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:11.460
It's a sneaky, you know, there's a bomb been planted secretly.

405
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.559
Um, is it this scene?

406
00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, it is.

407
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:17.519
I love the fun...

408
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.319
It's just pain in the share.

409
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.119
He's still getting paid.

410
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:23.039
Here's our 1st shot of Garon.

411
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:27.000
The camera's slightly out of focus there, Jonathan.

412
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.619
Can I just say, Fraxie?

413
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.940
The MVP of this episode is Robert O'Reilly.

414
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.920
What an acting choice.

415
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.019
It's so brilliant, isn't it?

416
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:45.539
Because we are inclined to not want Jurass to be the guy. and so it's got to be Garon because we've just had a whole scene that way.

417
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.460
Klingon Empire.

418
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.240
Is this guy?

419
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.640
That's right.

420
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.220
Most psychotic eyes you've ever seen.

421
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.200
Such a weirdo.

422
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.480
Creon Empire is doomed.

423
00:29:57.539 --> 00:29:59.759
It's really funny, isn't it?

424
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:00.720
It's really great.

425
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:05.579
What's great is he's clearly made some choices here, Robert O'Brieny.

426
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.740
And he does, he just...

427
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:15.599
It completely doubles down on them when he goes on with the role and he just makes them bigger and bigger.

428
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.400
He's really good.

429
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.200
He's really good.

430
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:24.420
In fact, his eyes are so recognisable when we saw him in Balla Bing Balla bang as the money counter.

431
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.759
We knew it was him straight away from his eyes.

432
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.579
Yeah, no, he's brilliant.

433
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.480
He's really really good.

434
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:34.319
That's very, Do you think the way the camera moved there, just to get them all in shot.

435
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:35.519
That's very theatrical.

436
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.680
We're back in the 90s there.

437
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:38.519
Yeah.

438
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:41.700
Oh, but look, this look at the lighting, though.

439
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.039
I always loved.

440
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.559
Remember we talked about the lighting on the Klingon ship in the voyage home.

441
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:53.940
I love, it's just so much moodier, more athletes very than on a Federation ship, until you probably get to Voyager.

442
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.680
That's when they, oh, wow, look at that.

443
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.500
That explosion is great.

444
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

445
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.039
They do know how to do a good explosion.

446
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:06.539
Do you remember when we had a big slow motion explosion at the beginning of Rox and Shoals?

447
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.420
And there's a great one in the Dogs of War as well.

448
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.200
They can do.

449
00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:13.200
I mean, they know they haven't got very big explosives in the studio.

450
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.519
They need to make it more dramatic, so they do it in slow motion.

451
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:19.019
But it looks good.

452
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:24.299
I think it looks good Oh, dude, these dreadful quarters in the enterprise.

453
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:33.240
I know we said that they were, you know, the height of luxury when we were younger, but now they do look like a hotel room of the period, don't they?

454
00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:36.539
No, it's sort of like the flimsiest IKEA I found it show.

455
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.440
You've never seen.

456
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.960
Flat packed hotels.

457
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

458
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.680
Well, that's because that's exactly what they are.

459
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:55.019
But I love all this intrigue, and this is something that DS9 grabbed hold of and ran with, you know, all this political intrigue.

460
00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:57.720
I love this though.

461
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:01.920
This is them actually not talking about that at all, but talking about their relationship.

462
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:11.579
And I love this too, because we saw him, didn't we, in the emissary?

463
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.299
Um, we saw him uh, start the oath.

464
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.039
Um, And her saying, no, no, you've got to be joking.

465
00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:21.900
I'm not getting married, blah, blah, blah.

466
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.119
And now she's starts it, doesn't she?

467
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:25.200
And he says no.

468
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:36.779
I can actually tell you the stark contrast between Gene Roddenbury and Michael Pillar's visions for TNG.

469
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.460
Gene Robinbury.

470
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:48.180
The only time we sort of saw a Klingon and a Klingon Woman reward was that one that was pouring at him in hide and queue, going, wow, you know?

471
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.480
and it was it was gross and not sexy at all.

472
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:54.240
And pillar comes in and he goes, no, he's a character.

473
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:56.579
We'll give him a romantic backstory.

474
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:02.759
And it's a mature relationship with a likeable person and it works brilliantly.

475
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.140
See, I suppose, sorry, go on.

476
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.960
No, this is what prompts her to investigate, isn't it?

477
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.319
Well, because he's shutting her down.

478
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:14.039
Yeah.

479
00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:15.420
Yeah, completely.

480
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.759
Yeah, so it's not...

481
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:19.619
She knows him.

482
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.099
So she knows that he's not capable of the things that he's been accused of.

483
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.180
His dad's been accused of.

484
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:33.000
Yeah, well, she she says to him that she can't understand how it can possibly have happened and she wants to know what it was and he refuses to tell her.

485
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:42.359
And so he, she's investigating that uh, when Duras is alerted by someone on the Klingon home world.

486
00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:44.759
Can I ask you a question?

487
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:45.359
Why is it?

488
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:47.700
Because we've only seen Kayla twice, yeah.

489
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.299
So why are these scenes we've just seen between Worf and Kayla?

490
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:57.839
So convincing as a romantic couple where so many couples in TNG.

491
00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.700
It feels so artificial.

492
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.779
So why does this work?

493
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:10.320
I wonder when it's a male regular and a female guest star.

494
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:12.420
I think romances.

495
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.059
I'm just pulling this one out of the air.

496
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.260
I think that romance is work better on the show.

497
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:26.639
And I think partly it's because they're really gross and icky about female sexuality sort of generally.

498
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:32.340
Uh, I think there's something, do you know what I mean?

499
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.619
Like, think about Wendy Hughes and Picard, think about Vash and Picard.

500
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.599
Um, like they're not embarrassing.

501
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:52.980
Whenever it's a romantic, um, totally coming in, it's all, the romantic is always a very confident character and it's weird because when you have a man coming in, being extremely confident and domineering to a woman, it is a hit them.

502
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:53.579
Uncomfortable.

503
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.840
When it's a woman coming in and being dominating to a man, it's interesting.

504
00:34:57.960 --> 00:34:59.820
Yes, here we go.

505
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:00.360
I'm sorry.

506
00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:01.380
I can't discuss it.

507
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.519
She wants to know.

508
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.659
So that's what's happening.

509
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.820
She'll go off and get herself killed trying to find out.

510
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:13.980
I suppose the Shakespearean part of this is the tragedy at the end where we know if she finds out the information she's doomed, you know?

511
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.320
Yeah, but I don't think we do know that.

512
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:17.280
Do you know what I mean?

513
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:19.199
This is just the sort of scene that we have all the time.

514
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:23.400
You know, remember Darmok, where Darmok is a frozen dessert on some planet?

515
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:28.260
I'm sorry, dear ass.

516
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.260
Oh, God, this is great.

517
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:37.079
And it is, I'll tell you what, it's a much needed levity in this very serious episode.

518
00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.380
Look at the look of these boys.

519
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.300
Look at the look at the security guys.

520
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.460
They're such like quarterbacks.

521
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:54.000
They're, like, someone who peaked in high school there, the white guy, and then there's a sort of slightly darker skinned one who's more attractive, but...

522
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:59.219
There was a quote about his eyes, about his acting choice, you know, because they must have been like, what is he doing?

523
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.760
No, they must have gone, oh, yes, this is brilliant.

524
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.579
You know, like...

525
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.079
Utterly rigid then.

526
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:10.320
The only beacon on his face were those 2 orbs.

527
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:15.179
So I love this too.

528
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.460
I love how she deals with it.

529
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.860
It's like that could take hours and she goes, days, you know, depending on how cooperate, if you are.

530
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.139
It's so good She's so great.

531
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.260
Oh, no, here we go, back to Alexander.

532
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.699
This is our 1st bat left.

533
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.599
Yeah.

534
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.940
Yeah, so...

535
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:33.599
The very 1st one.

536
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:34.860
The 1st one.

537
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.380
And it's the 1st time the name is used.

538
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:48.539
And I think it's, it's super important because, of course, Worf couldn't have gone onto the ship and shot him with a gun. right?

539
00:36:48.599 --> 00:37:01.500
He had to do it like this because this is an expression of his Klingon character, you know, um, And it's not because we understand it as well.

540
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:02.340
Do you know what I mean?

541
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.000
It's not some weird ass shame culture Klingon made up thing.

542
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:10.380
It's like this man killed the woman I love and I'm going to go and kill him.

543
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.500
It's a superb design as well, isn't it?

544
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.659
I can see why it never went anywhere.

545
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.099
I mean, I do like it when they half it, you know, and they've got one in each hand.

546
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.179
That's pretty cool as well.

547
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:26.880
But, The whole thing about it being an extension of your arm, you sort of curve it in your arm.

548
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.320
So it absolutely works on that level.

549
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:29.639
It's really good.

550
00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:33.420
It's a lot better than the whatever the fuck it is that the Klingons have.

551
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:34.920
No, the Vulcans have.

552
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:35.820
Oh this.

553
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:40.920
I like to make that garrod on Juros both visited her to convince that the other one was the murderer.

554
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.039
This is her him offering her a job, isn't it?

555
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:48.659
You're like, have a lovely job.

556
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.960
Remember, in the future, he does exactly the same to Worf, doesn't he?

557
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:52.679
Way of the Warrior.

558
00:37:52.739 --> 00:37:54.239
To basically get him out of the way.

559
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:58.500
I mean, I think he ends up being a reasonable guy, doesn't he?

560
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:01.079
Gauron.

561
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:05.099
Well, I mean, he does he does take the Federation and the Klingons back to war.

562
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.219
Admittedly, there is a changing, pulling his strings, but sure.

563
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:10.860
But generally speaking, he's all right.

564
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.139
He gets that great speech.

565
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:13.679
Do remember that?

566
00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:18.480
Five years ago, nobody knew about Deep Space 9 or the wormhole.

567
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.519
All our hopes rest here.

568
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.300
It's great.

569
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:29.760
It's really good, though, this, because like making Gauron obviously a terrible person.

570
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:36.059
Um, is a great choice because we know that it can't be Jurass because he's a terrible person.

571
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.480
We sort of think, oh, well, let's hope Duras doesn't get it.

572
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.260
But then Carol comes along, it looks like an absolute weirdo or anything.

573
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.119
Oh, that smile.

574
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:46.800
I'm sorry, that's teeth.

575
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:50.400
She just said, 10 pack was old and weak.

576
00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.699
I am not. she's so powerful.

577
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:54.900
Honestly.

578
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.860
I do love a good, strong woman on the telly, you know.

579
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.760
Oh, look, poor Jonathan's back is hurting.

580
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.380
So he's standing like that.

581
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.440
He's breaking his back trying to make this show dramatic for one witch.

582
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.039
Oh, yeah, yeah.

583
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.219
Oh, Romulans.

584
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:15.659
Romulans.

585
00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:22.019
And actually that that thread that runs through, I think it's like three, four, five.

586
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.500
They kind of lose the Romulans towards the end, don't they?

587
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.300
Yeah, and DS9 doesn't really touch them very much until the last 2 seasons.

588
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.780
I had thought when I was watching this through, before it had ended, do you know what I mean?

589
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:40.500
I saw this before, uh, you know, series 7 had aired.

590
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:54.900
I'd assumed that the ending would be about the Romulans in some way because they had been, and particularly with, um, Selar with, um, uh, you know, Denise Crosby's character.

591
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.000
Like I thought that, do you know what I mean?

592
00:39:57.059 --> 00:40:05.940
Because it starts with the Kleons being on our side, I thought that maybe it would end with us making a deal with the Romulans, you know, to show that that's what the show's about.

593
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.179
Instead, it's about a big arse swirly thing and queue and stuff.

594
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:20.699
In a TV show that's effectively a soap opera that somehow resets every week, Denise Crosby turning up as a Romulan is the most soap opera twist I ever could have had.

595
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.440
Such a great cliffhanger.

596
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.739
But I mean, I'll be honest, though her performance, as the Romulan is, is, is down there.

597
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:36.300
She does, there is a little bit of sort of camp nonsense there, but it's a little bit...

598
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

599
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.480
TNG is too embarrassed to do camp.

600
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:40.559
I think it is.

601
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:42.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:43.320
Yeah.

603
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:44.880
That's what that needed, I think.

604
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:47.639
Oh, there's some good music here now.

605
00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:51.659
The sort of suspense music is she's sort of figuring out what happened.

606
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.300
Yeah, this is great, isn't it?

607
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:54.960
I love this.

608
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:58.920
Where's her story now, isn't it?

609
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:05.340
And then it's weird how then her narrative ends, obviously, because she dies and then it becomes wolf story.

610
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:05.579
Yeah.

611
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:06.300
Yeah.

612
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.820
I just, I don't feel like they're playing by the usual TNG rules at all.

613
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.840
No, no.

614
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.219
And I think that's exactly it.

615
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:21.059
I think that's because it's actually really rare to have a scene that doesn't have one of our regulars in it.

616
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.159
And that was almost a rule.

617
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:28.019
Another thing that DS9 absolutely ran with in its later season, isn't it?

618
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.440
What is Garron doing?

619
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:32.880
He's so great.

620
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:35.039
Oh, he's doing the judge.

621
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.440
Frustrating to the singing.

622
00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:42.659
Even how he sits down is a little bit camp, isn't it?

623
00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:43.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:44.579
No, he's magnificent.

625
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.219
He's like, I'm not going to be playing this too seriously, all right?

626
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:51.179
I'm going to have some fun.

627
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:56.940
There's almost like a slight exaggeration in everything he does.

628
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.539
I'm I'm reading duress.

629
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.480
He's kind of like, he's like the large adult son.

630
00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:04.500
Do you know what I mean?

631
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:10.739
Like he's just there because his father, you know, and he's he's not a proper adult.

632
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.159
He sort of, he's sort of, you know, Donald Trump junior.

633
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:14.880
I think.

634
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:22.199
You know, he's just a sort of worthless individual who's ended up in this situation because his family has manoeuvred him there.

635
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:23.940
Look how dumb he looks.

636
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:29.280
Like, he just says this sort of slack jawed, open-mouthed kind of thing.

637
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.360
He's...

638
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.719
And I'll take it down to the most childish level we could possibly do on this.

639
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:41.159
I feel like like Duras is someone in like sort of almost a position of power with the smallest cock in the Klingon Empire.

640
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.840
Whereas Gowron knows, he knows he's got the biggest cock in the Klingon Empire.

641
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.280
And Caras himself that way.

642
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:48.360
Yeah.

643
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.820
It's a great contrast.

644
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:51.480
It's so fun.

645
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.360
Yeah, look at him.

646
00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:54.719
Look at him.

647
00:42:54.780 --> 00:43:01.019
I could have gone with Juros and Gowron being the 2 in the every time we go back to the Cleon Empire, you know?

648
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.639
They're always trying to bloody murder each other.

649
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.460
Brilliant.

650
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.139
And Worf's having it go at them.

651
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.179
He's not needling them.

652
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.179
Yeah, it's kind of funness, isn't it?

653
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

654
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:23.760
Yeah.

655
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.559
But Duras is doing a great job.

656
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:33.000
The guy who plays Jurass is actually pretty good and he's kind of taking a backseat to Gower on here, but he's pretty great.

657
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:40.980
I think what we expect is a sort of functional plot resolution to this.

658
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.300
Yeah.

659
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:51.000
At the end, like TNG normally does. tidies it up in the last 2.5 minutes. voiceover from Captain Picard and then often to the next jolly adventure.

660
00:43:51.059 --> 00:44:07.440
Instead, what they give us. where this is going is that K-la finds out that Wharf accepted Duras's discommendation and then she lets the, the everyone know.

661
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:11.039
And so Garon takes over and Duras loses.

662
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:12.780
And that's where we're heading isn't it?

663
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.579
Interesting is.

664
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:15.480
Yeah, for sure.

665
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:25.619
And what happens is that exactly happens, i.e. Gowron takes commands, but the method we get there is far more shocking.

667
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:26.460
Yeah.

668
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.079
Well, it brings it.

669
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:32.099
It balls it all down to a character level and that's my end to Star Trek.

670
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:34.800
And so that's why I'm so invested in the climax.

671
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:40.800
And look at her looking at like at the computer. she's so fabulous Like she's not a space person.

672
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:41.820
That's the other thing.

673
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.199
She's a little bit more modern.

674
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:45.239
She seems like a...

675
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:45.599
Imagine.

676
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.880
Yes, McFadden doing these things.

677
00:44:47.940 --> 00:44:49.199
In fact, you don't...

678
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:53.820
You don't need to imagine it because we saw it in Remember Me, where she was walking around on her own, figuring things out.

679
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, yeah.

680
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.300
Yes here we go.

681
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:04.679
And the other thing is, what, it feels so well plotted because all of these pieces just sort of slot into place, don't they?

682
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah, it becomes inevitable, doesn't it?

683
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.300
It's like, yeah, why didn't we figure out this is where we were heading?

684
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.159
Because it happens on the ship.

685
00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:13.920
Well, and because that's not what TNG does.

686
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:15.420
No, that's why.

687
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:15.840
That's why.

688
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:16.920
Exactly right.

689
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:20.760
We couldn't foresee that they'd have a dramatic climax and satisfying.

690
00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:24.300
Yeah, so this is her winning, isn't it?

691
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.500
This is her winning?

692
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.940
Winning and then losing... was a trainer.

693
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.659
He really is.

694
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.340
He is the large adult son.

695
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.900
What happened?

696
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.920
My father wasn't a trailer.

697
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:38.579
She emasculates him now in such a powerful life.

698
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:40.079
Yeah, look how pathetic he looks.

699
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:42.599
So what does he does?

700
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:49.980
He murders a woman. know Yeah, look, she's right in his face.

701
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:50.940
She's not scared of her.

702
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.420
That's right.

703
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.739
She thinks she's winning.

704
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:53.579
This is her winning.

705
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.179
But I don't think even she foresees that he would kill her.

706
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.460
No, but we certainly don't.

707
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.019
Where does this scene end?

708
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.340
That'll be interesting to see.

709
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.159
That's it.

710
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:06.780
That's the scene ending, right?

711
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.940
No, not Dr. Ben.

712
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.260
Go back to the other screen.

713
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:12.900
But we don't that's where that scene ends, right?

714
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.719
And so the murder is a real shock, I think.

715
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:32.280
In fact, Nathan, this is a brilliant contrast, because suddenly we've got Dr. Bevan Riker talking about a bomb going off and the plot logistics and this is our normal TNG episode, literally coming straight after this incredible TNG episode that's playing out in front of us.

716
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:34.260
There you go.

718
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:39.900
There's a picture of a the bones in an arm for some reason. dinosaur scans.

719
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.880
She's doing diner scans, which is exciting.

720
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.920
We've got to give her something to do, though.

721
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:46.199
Gates has gone up here, yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.099
Yeah, I think these 2 work really well, actually, I think.

723
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.679
Oh, until they started snogging in that episode.

724
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:53.519
Remember?

725
00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:55.260
Oh, yeah, that was pretty dreadful.

726
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.119
Oh, would you know the 2 of them?

727
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:59.880
Were there this low angle shot of Wolf again?

728
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:01.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

729
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:02.699
Because we're with the sun.

730
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:05.219
It's how we get both of them in shot.

731
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.739
And that is a real shock.

732
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:08.880
And look at all the blood.

733
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.679
It's the bloody handprint on that old TNG furniture.

734
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:16.380
It's almost like it feels completely wrong, doesn't it?

735
00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:27.239
Now, these, the close-up of Alexander's face is not a great idea because he obviously can't act and we don't want to see him crying because that would be too yucky.

736
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.940
Like, we couldn't see him distressed at his murdered mother.

737
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.099
So instead we just see him staring fairly disinterestedly into the middle distance.

738
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.360
Um, It's just, it's the blood.

739
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:40.199
Yeah.

740
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:43.079
But I also like that she's not able to say very much.

741
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:45.719
Like she says maybe one or 2 things and that's it.

742
00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:50.940
You know, and that's her dying, but the hand, like the dream...

743
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:59.579
I usually want to compare DS9 to TNG and DS9's favour, but this is so much more powerful than Jadzia Daxi's death.

744
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:00.659
Oh yeah, yeah.

745
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.400
Our children would have been so beautiful.

746
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:03.960
It would have been so beautiful.

747
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:09.300
I'd rather she just did what Kaylo did and didn't say a lot, you know, it just expired.

748
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.800
That was really good.

749
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:12.239
Like, that was properly good.

750
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:15.960
It's so visceral, that blood.

751
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:17.280
It's horrible.

752
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:18.420
There's so much of it.

753
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.219
It's brilliant.

754
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.559
Him saying to Alexander, look, look.

755
00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:24.179
This is your 1st view of death.

756
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:24.480
Look.

757
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:30.900
I think it's so it's that Klingon thing about getting revenge on the people that, you know, betray your house.

758
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.239
It's really alien, isn't it?

759
00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:53.039
Like, it is, like, that's him being very Klingon, you know, like, like we've seen her interacting with her some the way that a sort of American mother of the time would do, um, and that now he's showing death, you know. just comes in the shot, doesn't talk to the wharf.

760
00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:56.159
She literally, she pulled that bit of furniture aside.

761
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:58.019
She goes, we're not having real drama here.

762
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.300
Excuse me, I'm gonna back on me.

763
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.400
Oh, great.

764
00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:06.900
And now this, this, I remember my blood pumping, thinking, what is Worf gonna do?

765
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.239
Look how red looks the red light on the walls.

766
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:10.860
Look at the red light on my walls.

767
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:11.340
Great.

768
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.840
And he takes his sash off that no one else wears.

769
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:17.699
Oh does he take his little badge off?

770
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:18.719
Yeah, he does.

771
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:21.539
So yeah, so this was the point where I was like, there's no coming back from this now.

772
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.039
You're going to go and...

773
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.059
Well, except he's going to be stopped.

774
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.500
They're going to stop him, though.

775
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.699
Do you know what I mean?

776
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.619
Like, I think at this point they're going to stop him.

777
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:30.119
They don't.

778
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.280
No, I know, but we think they are.

779
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:34.920
I was like, did you watch the end?

780
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.739
Yeah, I've seen this before.

781
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:42.719
But we're so used as well. on TNG, because we are federation focussed.

782
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:47.400
We're so used to the alien characters sort of being punished if they don't toe the line.

783
00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:49.500
That's the way of TNG.

784
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.219
Is that if you don't behave like a good human being, even though you're a Klingon.

785
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.019
And he's literally being a Klingon through and through here.

786
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.400
So that's why after he did it.

787
00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:05.340
Yeah, he takes off the Federation thing, picks up the big Klingon knife and heads off to get him, you know?

788
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:10.860
It's actually a bit of, you know, Picard goes, oh, we put a note in your file. or something.

789
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.320
It's not really enough, is it?

790
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:16.679
He has to be back next week and it won't come up again next week.

791
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.179
So.

792
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.019
Oh, that handsome Klingon guy.

793
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:35.880
Yeah, and that, because he doesn't know about Kayla, and so he doesn't expect any response from Worf, even though he's walking here with a big bat left. was my mate.

794
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:38.099
So suddenly they all start handing in weapons.

795
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.239
You're dead, mate.

796
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.199
You better stop defending yourself.

797
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.139
Oh, dear.

798
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.760
Oh no, look, he's only got a sword.

799
00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:51.659
Wolf's got the ballet, you'll be fine. batless, yeah. yeah that's right.

800
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.000
And this, you know, well, he's coming back with us.

801
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:55.920
Well, stunning. do you know what I mean?

802
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:59.159
Uh, get on with the show.

803
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:01.739
It's not a bad fight as well, Nation.

804
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.239
It a pretty good... really good.

805
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:11.159
It's in a very confined space and I don't think that that was Patrick Massette there.

806
00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:13.260
I think that might have been a stunt double.

807
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:19.019
What's great about it is you can really feel the aggression between the 2 of them. like the blows are hard.

808
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.900
And I like this too.

809
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:26.880
The king, kill me and you'll be a traitor forever is pretty good too.

810
00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:28.559
That's great.

811
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.420
So they come in.

812
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.679
Come in in time.

813
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:36.960
Then we cut, and then we see the reaction. which is really great.

814
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:41.820
Like, the reaction shot is so good from...

815
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.320
That's great again.

816
00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:45.599
I'm going to have the reaction shot here.

817
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:45.960
All right.

818
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.480
But Brent does a great reaction shot as well.

819
00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:53.280
And Brent turns straight to Jonathan to see, how are you responding to this?

820
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:54.360
It's really good.

821
00:51:54.420 --> 00:52:02.159
And then a very un TNG shot of the bat left embedded in his chest and more blood.

822
00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:03.539
I know, I know.

823
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.440
It's so great.

824
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:09.719
Oh, this might be one of my absolute favourites, you know, that we've done so far.

825
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:10.980
It is really good.

826
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.039
It's not Dharmok, but it is superb, I think.

827
00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:22.199
Yeah, this is the one, this is the one note that feels a bit tough, you know, like, Mr. Worf.

828
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:26.519
I'm going to put a reprimand in your file for murdering that man back to work.

829
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.460
No, that's right.

830
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.380
Mind you, pretty much every, they had to sort of get this out of the way.

831
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.559
Every single member of the DS9 crew was a murderer in one way or another.

832
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:44.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they all had a mention on their file.

833
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:52.139
Maybe they put a clause in the prime murder and the cause of duty is acceptable and then a couple of clauses. you know?

834
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:57.000
Well, I mean, the thing is because it is acceptable in a Klingon.

835
00:52:57.059 --> 00:52:58.920
Like he hasn't broken Klingon law.

836
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:01.260
He behaved appropriately for a Klingon.

837
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:08.820
So there are no diplomatic, um, uh, you know, there's no no sort of particular problem there.

838
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.340
He did the right thing as far as that's concerned.

839
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:17.400
You know, as Stuart is kind of with a stare there.

840
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:19.199
He's looking disappointed.

841
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.039
He's looking understanding because he gets why Worf did it.

842
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.559
And he's looking all forested as well.

843
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.599
He's doing quite a lot with his eyes in that scene.

844
00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:31.980
Except he's much smaller than wharf in this shot, which I think is really interesting.

845
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:32.880
Do you know what I mean?

846
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:34.440
You've got a profile of warf.

847
00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:44.699
Like, it's quite, I don't know, and he's slight, he's out of focus in the foreground, because he's just taking it, and then we get back to just us talking again.

848
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:45.659
Do you know what I mean?

849
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:53.340
Like, now we're just talking as, you know, colleagues and not as, you know, your commanding officer telling you off.

850
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:56.400
Yeah, it's super interesting, isn't it?

851
00:53:56.460 --> 00:54:01.260
Later on, they they sort of, they double down on war dishonour as well, don't they?

852
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.739
When he refuses to go to invade Cardassia.

853
00:54:04.860 --> 00:54:07.800
So his name's even more mud amongst the Klingon Empire.

854
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:08.639
Yeah, they do it again.

855
00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:10.320
He gets discommended once more.

856
00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:20.880
And then what's great is when Gauron sees a political opportunity, because Martox becoming very popular in the Dominion War, he goes, oh, well, if you're a mate of Martox, you're all right by me.

857
00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:32.639
Oh, Garam can snip out a political advantage at any move, got it.

858
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.199
See, this is...

859
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:38.639
Paul, that's not him.

860
00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:40.679
This is a kid called John Stoyer.

861
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.780
Oh, is it?

862
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.159
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:45.719
I have... you say that earlier?

864
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:47.340
No, no.

865
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:48.960
Oh, we got it wrong, yeah?

866
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.659
No, Brian Bonsall will play him later.

867
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.599
He gets 3 cast as Brian Bonsor, but this is not him.

868
00:54:54.659 --> 00:54:56.820
So 3 people, I think, end up playing.

869
00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:58.980
Look how convinced I was that it was the same actor.

870
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.639
No, no, no, no, because he's a little bit more annoying.

871
00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:05.579
I think, um, that he's a little...

872
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.780
A little bit less talented.

873
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:11.400
Yeah, well, I don't think this kid's very talented, but he's not called upon to do very much.

874
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.239
I do like the are you my father and he says yes.

875
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.920
That's pretty good.

876
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:23.039
And I do like the fact that Wolf recognises I can't give you the life you deserve here.

877
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:27.000
I don't feel, it doesn't feel like I'm just shunting you off of my parents.

878
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:27.960
You're cramping my style.

879
00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:29.219
I've got a career.

880
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.960
Do you remember the kid in the book?

881
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:37.980
Is it the bonding, the kid, whose mother dies, who never gets mentioned again?

882
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.900
We have that special ceremony and he'll be his best friend and then we never see him again.

883
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:49.199
What's great is when Wolf's parents show up with Alexandra and say, no, it's time you start accepting your responsibilities.

884
00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:51.059
We're leaving him here, the little shit, all right?

885
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.579
Warp's mother is so great.

886
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:55.679
She does too. episodes, doesn't she?

887
00:55:55.739 --> 00:55:56.460
She does family.

888
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.519
And then she does the one where she brings Alexander back.

889
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:00.239
There he is.

890
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:14.519
One of the biggest surprises I had when I was doing my 2nd round of reviews on Star Trek was just how many subtle narratives there were running through TNG.

891
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:22.800
How many recurring characters we keep coming back to and how they sort of gently have stories playing out?

892
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:25.920
And obviously DS9 does that to an extreme later.

893
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.019
They sort disobey all the rules.

894
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.420
But this is, as we said at the beginning.

895
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.400
This is the strongest example of that.

896
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:38.760
And as a result, I think wharf outs this show, possibly as the most impressive character.

897
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:40.860
Certainly in terms of development.

898
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:46.019
Yeah, he was nearly not kind of going to be in every episode.

899
00:56:46.139 --> 00:56:51.119
Like he wasn't going to be one of the kind of main characters.

900
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.800
I don't know.

901
00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:59.159
I think, you know, like Star Trek, the Next Generation could have had more semi-regulars, but basically what do we get?

902
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:03.599
We get Barclay, we get um, Alyssa Agawa.

903
00:57:03.659 --> 00:57:04.800
That's about it, really.

904
00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:08.340
And, And I think that's a shame.

905
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.980
I think it would have been more interesting with more people.

906
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:21.719
Star Trek always seems slightly ridiculous because it's the same 7 people doing literally everything on the ship and you wonder what else everyone else is doing.

907
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:26.639
I think it's, I think it's the the POVs that we talked about there.

908
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:28.380
That's the biggest difference in this.

909
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.719
You have a Geordie Aquiao or something like that.

910
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:39.900
You have a Jordan the Forge investigates episode and every scene is from Geordie La Forge's point of view as he goes from console to console trying to figure out what's going on.

911
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.260
Whereas this switched POVs all the time throughout.

912
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.480
And as a result, it feels bigger.

913
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.579
It feels more interesting to watch.

914
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

915
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:50.159
And proper things happened.

916
00:57:50.219 --> 00:58:02.940
And those things do end up having an effect on the character and they don't properly take and run with, you know, death of Kayla, but they end up finding a way to bring Alexander back in and stuff.

917
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:11.039
I think, you know, um, and certainly this will all culminate in the big cliffhanger at the end of this season, won't it?

918
00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:13.679
Yeah, this is redemption at the end of this season.

919
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.539
Yeah, of course it is. yeah.

920
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.619
Yeah.

921
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:28.260
Well, listen, can I give the final word on reunion to Jonathan Frakes himself, director of this episode, who is quoted as saying, Rick's been throwing me some nice episodes?

922
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.239
Three people got killed.

923
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:32.760
There was murder and there was revenge.

924
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:34.320
I've been lucky.

925
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:35.699
Susie was great.

926
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.679
A lot of people are sorry she's dead.

927
00:58:37.739 --> 00:58:45.420
It's a character that people really loved or hated because she was so big and shameless in her performance and I loved it.

928
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.340
Oh wonderful.

929
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.940
Four people died actually, Jonathan, but who's counting?

930
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:56.940
But, you know, like poor people died in home soil, ugly bags of mostly water.

931
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.699
It certainly wasn't as memorable as reunion.

932
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:00.599
No, exactly.

933
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.739
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out what we're going to do next time.

934
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:22.199
I had the good fortune to roll reunion last time, so it's your turn now, Joe. What series are we doing?

935
00:59:22.980 --> 00:59:25.079
Astonishingly.

936
00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:31.320
We haven't actually been to DS 9 for, I think, 11 episodes.

937
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:32.039
Oh, wow.

938
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:34.500
I was looking at the randomiser earlier.

939
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.239
We've done original series.

940
00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:38.940
We've done a couple of Kurtzman's across series.

941
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:45.480
We've done a movie, we've done a few TNGs, and we've definitely done a few voyages, but we haven't really done a DS9 for quite some time.

942
00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:47.820
And this must be redressed.

943
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:48.780
Okay.

944
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.480
We nearly did it deep, so it's not this time.

945
00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:57.960
I just don't want to follow up a classic... with a shit...

946
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:59.880
If wishes were horses.

947
00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:08.760
After I've said that, you know, TNG laid down all these foundations and DS9 ran with them, I'm going to get something like, oh, no, celess or something, aren't I?

948
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.099
Well, are you ready?

949
01:00:11.219 --> 01:00:12.179
I'm ready.

950
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.119
I did not get celess.

951
01:00:15.179 --> 01:00:16.380
Oh.

952
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.539
Did you get if wishes were horses?

953
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.880
I did get a season one episode.

954
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.380
Oh, is it good?

955
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.880
Your random Star Trek, Deep Space 9 episode is season one, episode 19.

956
01:00:30.179 --> 01:00:31.920
Duet.

957
01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:34.260
Have we done that?

958
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.780
No, we did progress.

959
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:37.679
We did progress.

960
01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:40.619
Duets, the other major Kira episode.

961
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:41.760
The one that everyone loves.

962
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:51.900
I think that I ended up watching that at around about the same time as we were watching progress and that might be why I thought we'd already covered it.

963
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:52.500
What do you think?

964
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:53.579
I think we probably do it.

965
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.940
I have already pressed the button and do you know why?

966
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:03.900
It's because I think we've done quite a fair few of DS9's accepted classics.

967
01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:08.280
And I feel like we should leave some of them, you know, for about 5 years down the line.

968
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:13.679
Otherwise we'll be left with nothing but a man alone and, you know, resurrection and stuff.

969
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.480
Okay.

970
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:18.360
Oh, yeah, okay, let's do this.

971
01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:19.320
This is a fun one.

972
01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:26.639
Your random Star Trek this place on our episode is season seven, episode six, Treachery, Faith, and the Great River.

973
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:28.800
Ooh, okay, I'm up for that for sure.

974
01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:30.900
You know why we should do that?

975
01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:41.219
It's because the A-plot is all Renee Aubergonois, and the B-plot is all Aaron Eisenberg, and we've lost both of them and we'll get to say lovely things about both of them in this.

976
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:42.780
Okay, that's brilliant.

977
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:44.159
Awesome. looking forward to that.

978
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:51.119
And there's 2 Wayons talking to each other in it, and, you know, what more do we need?

979
01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:52.980
Well, let's do it then.

980
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:53.940
Let's do it.

981
01:01:54.000 --> 01:02:01.800
Just for the sequence where Wayo looks at Damar and says, my predecessor's deaf in a transporter accident.

982
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.480
Highly suspicious. wonderful.

983
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:20.699
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

984
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.880
We're online at entitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

985
01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:32.219
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

986
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:37.739
This episode was recorded on the 10th of January 2024 and released on the 12th of January.

987
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:43.559
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Treachery, Faith, and the Great River.

988
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:04.860
I haven't thought what I'll say, but I always end up saying something, so I think we'll be OK. You nap hand at this now.

989
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.460
Ah, dear.

990
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:19.860
I spent some time reorganising the website in a way that no one will know about except me, and if I've done it right, it will have actually no effect on the actual website that's produced.

991
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:22.380
Does it help the admin of the website?

992
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:23.579
It does a little bit.

993
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:36.840
It means I have to do slightly less work each episode, but we probably need to do about a 1000 episodes in order to make up for the time that I spent actually doing the thing.

994
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.980
Well, by the end, we would have done over a 1000 episodes.

995
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.840
So, you know, like...

996
01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:45.420
You'll just have to wait a long time for that reward.

997
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:50.760
So it's really hot here and Alfie has just crashed on the floor behind me.

998
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:54.119
I can't even show he's just completely passed out.

999
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.719
Look how young he looks.

1000
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:59.219
Look how young he looks directing it.

1001
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:00.960
Oh my god.

1002
01:04:01.019 --> 01:04:02.639
Well, we actually see him in it.

1003
01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:05.579
So that maybe that's not that much of a surprise.

1004
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.360
Being exactly that young.

1005
01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:10.980
He's really good.

1006
01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:12.239
Holy crap.

1007
01:04:12.300 --> 01:04:14.460
And so, yes. well.

1008
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.239
We'll talk about it, but yeah, it's great.

1009
01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:19.980
It's a good choice.

1010
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.960
Yeah, I was really surprised, actually.

1011
01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:25.679
I thought reunion was kind of good but anyway, I'll save it.

1012
01:04:25.739 --> 01:04:34.800
Well, I checked out my review because I obviously written my original review and then I read another review and on both of them I gave it a 10 and 5 stars.

1013
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:35.880
Yeah, okay.

1014
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.380
I've always loved this.

1015
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:42.659
I've got a memory.

1016
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.460
I have a memory.

1017
01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:45.059
Of this.

1018
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:46.380
Yeah.

1019
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.599
You're going to do a Siheart moment of youth.

1020
01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:49.500
I am.

1021
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:50.099
Yeah.

1022
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.179
I will start then.

1023
01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:58.380
Hey, Joe. Hi.

1024
01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:03.360
So after last week's triumphant episode of Star Trek Picard.