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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, after last week's triumphant episode of Star Trek Picard, we

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decided to give Star Trek the next generation ago, and there's

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roughly a 50% chance, I think, of getting an acceptable episode.

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Oh, you think as high as that, do you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think we've got one of the greats and one of that is

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actually a lot better than even I remember.

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I held it in sort of quite high regard before, but I thought this

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was better than I remember.

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So this is series four, episode seven, reunion, and it's the 2nd

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one in a row that we have done directed by Jonathan Frakes.

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So we watch one from 2023 that he directed and this is one that he

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directed in 1990, just when he's starting out as a director.

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And obviously the one in 2023 was technically more competent, but

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you can see signs of the greatness to come in the direction of

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this as well, I think.

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I went exploring online to see how I felt about this because I

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knew I'd written 2 reviews about this.

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And one I gave it 10 out of 10 and the other one I gave it 5 stars

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out of 5 stars.

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I've always loved this.

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It's truly in TNG's era of confidence, isn't it?

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We've gone through the very, very rough patch of one and two.

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Three is the show pulling its act together and now four is

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essentially just producing one banger after another.

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Yeah, this is Star Trek, the Next Generation's imperial phase, I

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think.

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But it's doing something interesting because Star Trek is a

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procedural, as we said many times, and it was aiming for

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syndication, which meant that it had to be able to be watched in

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kind of any order.

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But what we're getting now is the 3rd Klingon episode in a row

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that, um, you do technically have to watch in order for them to

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make sense.

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Well, but there's enough sort of said.

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I mean, we kind of get it.

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So in series one, we had Heart of Glory, which isn't about

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anything and doesn't end up going anywhere.

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Series 2 has the emissary, like towards the end, and so that's

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where Kayla is introduced.

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And then last year we had Duras and Kempeck in Sins of the Father

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and we do a surprising thing at the end of that episode, which is

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we change the actual kind of nature of the character.

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So he's no longer just a sort of Klingon foundling who has joined

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Starfleet.

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He's actually been rejected by his society.

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So all of that stuff explored his backstory and stuff, but then

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changed the character.

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And we've had that mentioned from time to time, I think, his

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discommodation.

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And this is where it's truly explored, isn't it?

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That concept.

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Yeah.

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So, okay, maybe maybe you don't have to watch them in order, but

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it's so much more satisfying if you do it.

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I remember watching this when I was a nipper and it was like

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chapters in a book, you know, the different Klingon episodes.

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And I think it was really the only part of TNG that was doing

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that.

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And it's Ron Moore's influence for the most part because I think

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it's in 3 when Ron Moore comes in and he starts writing

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essentially every single Klingon episode.

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So he's driving that narrative right through until series 7.

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So here he gets one of the story credits, but is that right?

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And not a teleplay credit?

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I can't remember.

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But him and Braga are both involved, but there's a larger number

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of people, apparently, but everything is building on this one

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thread.

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And it's something that is normal for Star Trek now, but kind of

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unusual.

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Well, I mean, for a show that is not serialised.

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It's absolutely normal to have like a guest star who turns up once

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a year and we do the Luaksana Troy episode every season, for

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instance.

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But what this decides to do is to do the Klingon episode, but have

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them all build on one another and to have some political thing

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happen.

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We've already established right away that the Federation is now at

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peace with the Klingons and they're allies, and that's something

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that's established.

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You know, it's one of the basic things about Star Trek, the next

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generation, and something that says something about what sort of

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show it is.

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And then we have the Romulans, who are obviously reintroduced at

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the end of series one and who are now kind of involved as well.

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We don't see any of them here, but they're involved in the

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assassination plot and they're trying to get Duras to succeed

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Cempeck.

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And all of that stuff is so deep space 9 because again, you have a

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sort of geopolitical thing happening.

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It's not just we were at war with the Klingons and now we're not

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or something like that.

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It's there are big powers, and they tend to be what the Romulans

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the Klingons, the Vulcans, later on the Cardassians get added to

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the mix and so on.

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But not the town rights or the Andorians, oddly.

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And so all of that stuff is, there's a direct line here to Deep

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Space 9, isn't there?

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and the way Deep Space 9 functions.

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And again, it is more, and Ira Bear as well, who I think has some

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part of unification and things like that.

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You can see that sort of thinking in this way now, aren't they?

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Empires rather than just the ship and that's what they take across

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to Deep Space 9.

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It's extraordinarily good this, isn't it, as well?

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Just as a piece of drama in its own right.

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What you said there about consequences.

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Wolf really is like the one character on this show that has

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consequences as a character, isn't it?

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Like, if Kayla comes in in this episode, she dies.

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Alexander comes in and then he goes on and he's a father.

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Like, as a result of being the central figure of this Klingon saga

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that's running through the next generation.

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Worf is the one character that's actually getting some development

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as they go along.

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So no wonder he heads over to DS9 as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, Commander Data has an episode each year and an episode

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with a family member.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like we have law and we have brothers and we have Noni and Suns.

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That's kind of a backstory rather than development.

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He doesn't change his character.

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No, that's exactly right.

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It doesn't change the character.

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And even when something like Troy gets a promotion in one episode

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she's still Troy from week to week, you know?

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Whereas Wolf has to learn to be a father in season 5 and 6 in some

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pretty interminable scenes, I'll be honest.

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Yeah, no, it doesn't always work, but it is a surprising thing and

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it's a thing that this show, I don't think, ever intended to do

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but then finds itself doing.

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And that's a good thing and that plays into every Star Trek that

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comes afterwards, I think.

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This is Bragger's 1st script.

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Ah, that's something I did glean from memory alpha.

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And no wonder they wanted him back after this because it's a

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bloody good script.

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Um, I've got some quotes before we go into the episode, um, because

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everyone's got something to say about Kayla and her eventual

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demise in this episode.

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Michael Pilla says, I killed Kayla.

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The original idea was about Worf's kid and bringing Kayla back, who

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was having a relationship with Duras.

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But when we started talking about how to make the story work, I'm

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the one that says she should die, you wanted to get to a place

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where Warf was going to have to take Duras apart and there's no

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real good reason for him to do it unless she died.

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He had it coming.

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Bill says.

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Yeah.

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Rob Moore then goes on to add, we love Susie and that character

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but it worked because you cared about her and we made an effort

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not to do it capriciously and for no reason, just to get her off

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the show so Worf wouldn't have to deal with her.

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Anybody who watches that episode is moved and outraged by the

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killing of Kayla.

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You're mad and you need the same vengeance that Worf does.

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If we've tapped into those feelings.

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So when Worf goes back to his quarters and grabs that sword and

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the audience is screaming for Duras's head, then you've done it.

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I remember feeling that and I remember feeling there was no way

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back for warf.

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That was what was exciting when I 1st watched this.

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I was like, if he does this, that's his career done, he's done on

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this show.

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I remember and I was sort of screaming at him not to do it because

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I was like, oh, no, I love Wolf at this point.

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We'll get there, but what I think is the best thing about this

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episode is that this is a show that almost always resolves itself

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in a talky scene.

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And so having it resolve itself in a bit of action that is

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surprising because we even give him a way out of it.

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We have this bit of dialogue where Riker says, you know, we'll

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have to use maximum stun on him, and they arrive in time to stop

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him, and you think that that's how it's going to be resolved, and

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it's not resolved that way.

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And I think it's such a surprise for that action, you know, for an

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action thing, a bit of violence to resolve an episode.

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It nearly never happens.

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It so good.

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It's so refreshing.

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I remember being shocked when I was younger by the sight of how

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much blood there was around KR.

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It was such a sort of visceral visual shock that I was like, what

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is going on?

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Suddenly I was out of cosy next generation territory and in

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something a bit more dangerous.

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You know?

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I remember being so excited in that climax. in a way that most

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next generation climax where they waved the techno babble stick

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where I was just going, oh, please, you know.

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Yeah, it was so good.

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And what pleases me is because we've done a lot of these now.

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And there's been plenty of times where I've said to you, oh, that

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one's great, you know. and then we've watched it and it turned out

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no, it's a part of crap.

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This is still great.

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I still have the same reaction when I watched it today. thank

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goodness It's really good.

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Well we should probably watch the thing.

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What do you think?

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Yeah.

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I will count us in then.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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And we're off.

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Okay.

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Stock Enterprise shot for the 1st year.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just straight from Encounter at Far Point again.

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Did you say to me they never shot it again?

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Um, no, but they, it's very rare for an episode of Star Trek, The

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Next Generation, not to have footage in it that was shot for, for

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an encounter a car, for...

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Encounter it far, Q, we used to call it.

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Oh, look, this, he's sporting the Wesley Cup that I asked my

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hairdresser for, do you see?

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Make me look like this geek.

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Ah, look, that ship is so beautiful, isn't it?

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No wonder we keep coming back to that.

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By the time we got to generations and we could shoot it, big

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budget, it looked amazing, the Klingon design.

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Yeah, no, but this is the big cruiser rather than the uh, rather

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than the warbird, which we get known, what are they called?

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I can't remember what they call, but whatever, the Klingon.

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Yeah.

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Is it Warbird?

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One of the Romulans called?

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I rely on you for these sort of details, yeah.

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I can remember.

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Usually you're hot on ship design.

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Yeah, no.

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I think what's great about that is that when she appears, she's

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massive.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, she appears on that massive screen and she's huge, and then

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we get this sort of little conversation, and then as he says, you

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know, Captain out or whatever, she just blinks very slowly, and

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she's kind of like completely in control of that conversation.

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She's very good.

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She is like the living embodiment of I don't give a shit character

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isn't she?

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She's so smooth.

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Yeah, she's smooth, but she, she's smart and she, like, she's

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really good.

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Like, I think I think she's just tremendous.

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We'll talk about it as we go through it, but she's shown to be

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just a fantastic mother as well in this as well as being a

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brilliant sort of politician as well. just amazingly good.

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I love warfare. like, excuse me, sir.

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Because Wolf looks down at something shorter.

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Like Worf looks down at Alexander before we see what he's reacting

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to.

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He's really good.

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My one complaint about this episode is it is that dream.

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Remember that cod electronic romantic music we had for the Troy

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episode recently?

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There's a bit more of that going on in here as well.

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During the domestic scenes, there is some good music, though.

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It's usually the sort of the grandiose Klingon music that's really

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good, I think.

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Yeah.

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Can I just say the bit where Wolf said to Picard, oh, so, yeah, it

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feels as if I should be allowed off this assignment.

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My ex squeeze is about to beam on the ship and Picard goes, will

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you pull yourself together?

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Lieutenant Worf.

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You don't decide you're not going to be on an assignment just

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because she's your ex.

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Oh, it's great.

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It's so good.

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It's also that you're not going to skulk.

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You're not going to skulk around every time we deal with

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Klingons.

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You know, all of that stuff is really good, I think.

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Warfish laws to confront so much in this episode and Dawn plays it

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all brilliantly, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Having to face his ex and his kid in his workplace, you know?

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Yeah.

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Whilst digging in with that whole sort of dishonour plot as well.

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So the kid was conceived 2 years ago in series 2, episode 20.

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Well, where he's grown very fast then.

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Yeah.

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And he will continue to grow very fast.

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He is an adult by the time he appears, sort of an adolescent by

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the time he appears in Deep Space 9, which is like 10 years or

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something.

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With a completely different cadence to his voice.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And this is the 1st Alexander.

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He'll be recast when he becomes a semi regular.

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And that's Brian Bonsall, who was the tiny Keaton in family ties

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in the last season.

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And he also grew very quickly.

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So that was a baby and then the next season it was a five-year-old

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or something.

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So, you know me?

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not above criticising child actors and things. because I feel like

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there are some great child actors out there.

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Unfortunately, Brian Bosnell or Bonzo, whatever his name is. he's

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not one of them This child cannot act.

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And unfortunately, we do have scenes many scenes in season 5 and 6

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that are bombed because he is, God, he's just lifeless, isn't he?

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I think he's cute in, what's the higher the fewer?

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What that one?

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Oh, cost of living?

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Cost of living?

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So fun.

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No, but Major Barrett is playing all of those.

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She's putting in all the work.

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Of course she is.

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I call it the Hannah Hate effect.

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She's adorable.

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She's gorgeous.

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She's absolutely gorgeous, but...

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You can't criticise her acting.

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She's like, fine. or something.

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He's in my womb Tell me a storm.

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She's tiny.

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She's manuscule.

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I just I wasn't above, you know, being me.

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So, so I really, I like this, I like this a lot.

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And so she's our 1st half Klingon, isn't she?

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I think so, yeah.

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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And so clearly, you know, liking this character probably leads us

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to B'lana eventually.

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It means Susie Paxton gets to be sexy because it's only half the

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level of makeup.

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They've got to put on her face.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And she's so relaxed.

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Like, she's terribly smart.

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All of this stuff, she's super competent.

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And later when she investigates.

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It, one of those scenes that it's a great Star Trek

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investigation.

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You know, something that would be someone sitting at a computer or

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going through filing cabinets or something is just her talking to

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the computer.

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And so we get to, you know, Star Trek can dramatise a thing like

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that.

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Um, Uh, and she's smart and she gets there and it's the fact that

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she gets so close is what kills her, which I think is really great

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too.

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That investigation scene, which just looks like either exposition

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or explaining what her character is thinking, actually plays a

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huge part in how the episode ends up moving.

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Okay, Brent Spider and they're saying, he's like, no, I'm the one

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that normally does the exposition.

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I'm just sitting in doing nothing right now. while this guest

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actor's coming in and taking my job.

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No, she is she is hyper-competent though, isn't she?

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Everything she does.

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I mean, I love the bit in the turbo lift we just had there, where

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she goes to Walt.

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You're not going to bite me for old time's sakes, you know.

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Bite on the cheek.

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Who hasn't sent that to an ex in the past, you know?

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Oh, these things, yeah.

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Now, can I ask you a question about, yeah, people sort of use the

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word Shakespearean to describe any sort of drama that's operatic

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in television these days.

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Does this have Shakespearean leanings?

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Because I'm not really much an expert.

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Is it aiming for that though?

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No, I don't think so.

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It's a little bit, I guess, it's Shakespeare in the sense that

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Shakespeare has sort of history plays.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And, you know, things about kings and stuff like that.

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I mean, this is this is sort of like I, Claudius or something in a

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way, isn't it?

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So, so I love the fact that, like, he looks really sick, probably

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sick.

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He's been poisoned and he goes, it's in the wine and then he

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drinks the wine because if you fuck it, like I'm a waste of wine.

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I'm dead anyway, which I think is really great.

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He plays the whole scene as if I cannot be bothered with this

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fucking culture anymore.

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Give me some more work.

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Get some more poison in it, you know?

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He's really good in this.

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So he is in Star Trek five as a Klingon, is he the Klingon

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ambassador in Star Trek five?

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Okay.

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Anyway, he's in Star Trek 5.

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And so he comes back for sins of the Father, and it's all that, the

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thing about sins of the Father is, and it is, is that it's kind of

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Klingon real politic, you know, like it's not honour or anything

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like that.

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It's like we're just going to let Worf take the fall because he's

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in the Federation anyway and we can't afford to have the House of

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Duras dishonoured.

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And the joy of this is watching Susie Plaxen's character, Kayla

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unpick the mystery of what happened there and figure it out.

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And obviously that's what signs her death warrant.

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But that episode completely informs this one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's brilliant, isn't it?

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She finds out what happens.

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But she also does talk.

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I think she's given the chance to talk about honour being an

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excuse or like a pretext or something.

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It's something we come back to in that brilliant speech adversary

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taxes, isn't it?

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That's mine.

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Yeah.

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And she sort of says, isn't it?

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You've got this mad piratical culture where you get ahead by

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murdering the person in charge.

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Well, he sort of plays this scene as if he's been sick to death of

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looking over his shoulder his whole life, but the next person

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coming up behind him with a bat left.

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I think he wants out.

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Well, he's lost.

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Do you know what I mean?

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He lost.

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I think he's gone.

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He's had enough.

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Yeah.

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And of course, you've got Patrick Stewart here. you know, playing

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it with every bit of intensity that he would bring to a

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Shakespearean drama.

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But the thing that I like about it too is that he's on the back

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foot, he's not in control of this situation at all.

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Garon, uh, um, Ken Pack, it just makes him do, you know, makes him

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agree to whatever he wants because he's kind of completely out of

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his depth.

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What I really like about these Klingon episodes is very often TNG

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is like from the point of view of the ship and the characters on

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the ship.

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And I know we're getting some of that here.

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Whereas these episodes, it's more from the point of view of the

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Klingon culture, redemption certainly is, since the father

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certainly is.

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And that's really quite repressing because then it makes the

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Enterprise cruise sort of characters in the Klingon story rather

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than the other way around.

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It gives us a different sort of look at them.

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I guess it's something that even Star Trek, the original series

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understands, is that there's, and perhaps it only properly happens

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in a muck time, although I could be wrong, where having an alien

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as one of your regular characters, gives you the chance to

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actually kind of explore an alien culture or something like that

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or, you know, to do something a little bit more political.

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It's essentially the premise that DS Noise build, is it?

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You take all these outcasts from all these different societies

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bring them all together and tell a story which is not really about

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the federation.

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Most of the DS 90 is done through a prism of other cultures.

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Yeah, which is why you get such interesting views of the

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federation in that.

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It's the only way that you could conceivably do, you know, the big

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geopolitical thing is by having each person.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like each player is represented.

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There he is having another drink.

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Why not?

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But TNG, TNG is so the Federation, isn't it?

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It's so from that point of view.

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This is why we get a bit wearisome with it at times because we're

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you know, the prime directors seems to tire us in knots and make

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things overly complicated, that should be very simple.

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I love this shot.

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Oh, the kids are little, he's trying to growl.

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Bless.

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He's terrible.

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I did notice in that last scene as well.

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There was an excellent low angle shot with some very dramatic

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lighting behind.

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I can't remember what the, what's his name?

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The Klingon.

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Ken Peck.

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Oh, he's dead now, so don't matter.

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But now we're getting the ceiling and stuff.

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Do you know what I mean?

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We're getting we're shooting it from little Alexander's point of

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view, looking up. enormous in the ceiling.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jonathan Franks just isn't interested in pointing shoot, is he?

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I mean, we get there in the end with discovery and that drone

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zooming about the place, but this is sort of the level I like, you

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know, I love that shot where wharf stops and then the little boy

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moves and just keeps walking out of shot is terribly cute.

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I love that she's intense in her work and the 2nd Alexander runs

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in.

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She's a mother.

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She grabs hold of him.

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She puts him on her knee and there's a familiarity between the 2

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actors that you don't often get between a child and an adult.

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Usually you can tell that the child's never met the actor before

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00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.259
and they're sort of looking off camera at their parents going, well

502
00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:18.720
what's going, you really feel like they're mother and child.

503
00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:19.680
Yeah.

504
00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:23.339
But I love the way that she plays with him as well.

505
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.579
Like, our, you know, whose ways.

506
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:32.039
You mean Klingon ways, you know, um, I'm going to be facetious.

507
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:34.619
That outfit does her figure no good asshole.

508
00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:36.660
It's hideous, that outfit.

509
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.579
Yeah, maybe they didn't want to do sexy Klingon quite so much.

510
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:42.660
I think it's okay.

511
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.039
I mean, she's very tall.

512
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:46.559
She's fabulously impressively tall.

513
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:48.480
So she's in another role.

514
00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:52.980
She's, of course, the famous Dr. Salah in the schizoid man.

515
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:54.779
So she comes a Vulcan.

516
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.480
Yeah, another one that could have come back again and again and

517
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:01.980
what she's mentioned over and over again as later series 7, she's

518
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.400
still on board.

519
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.960
I think there's a mention in, yesterday's Enterprise, you hit

520
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.259
here.

521
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.000
Dr. Salah, please come to this.

522
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:10.619
Yeah, over and over again.

523
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.059
You hear her being paged.

524
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.640
There's plaxen saying, no, I'm sorry.

525
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.319
My career has gone on to greater things now.

526
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:17.579
I can't come back and play that.

527
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.920
But, I mean, this, you know, they, it is actually a big call and

528
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:23.819
they're right.

529
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.259
We like her a lot.

530
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.859
She's really lively in a way that the regulars aren't.

531
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:32.279
Yeah, compare her to Dr. Bev and Troy.

532
00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:33.539
Exactly.

533
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.799
And so you kind of just deciding we're going to kill her and we

534
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.900
won't have Susie back next year.

535
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.819
That's a big call, I think.

536
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.500
Sort of annoying, though.

537
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.839
You know, because I said to you, that Warf definitely has a type

538
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:46.079
right?

539
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:49.680
He likes strong commanding women in control of their own minds who

540
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:50.880
don't put up with his shit.

541
00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.460
That's Kayla, and that's definitely Dax.

542
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.759
Well, Dax obviously is a regular on DS9.

543
00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:00.660
So we get to a point where we have a Kayla-esque character as a

544
00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:01.140
regular.

545
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.480
So it's sort of annoying that we're not getting it here.

546
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:04.259
Yeah.

547
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:09.480
So I, I like the guy who plays duras.

548
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.119
I think it's something a bit sexy about him.

549
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:13.019
I don't know what to do.

550
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:13.559
I know too.

551
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.819
He's he's really young.

552
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.079
He seems young to me.

553
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:21.359
And so he's, you know, like, and we learn later, don't we, that

554
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.359
he's being kind of manipulated by his sisters and they're really

555
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:25.980
in charge?

556
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.079
Look how he's back lit there.

557
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:31.619
Frakes is trying to make his appearance on the screen as imposing

558
00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:32.160
as possible.

559
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.299
Like his silhouette is picked out in the light in a really great

560
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:36.660
way.

561
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.940
But we often don't get this right.

562
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.680
When Duras sees wharf going up the ramp to his station.

563
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:50.940
He looks at wharf from the from the screen where we can't manage

564
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:54.779
to do that with 7 and Neelix when they're talking to one another

565
00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:57.900
over Zoom at the end of series 7 of.

566
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:03.720
I said to you in the episode we did last week, which was called, no

567
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:04.920
win scenario.

568
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:08.039
That Freights is an actors director, and they also say that.

569
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.500
And that he gets all the reaction shots perfect.

570
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.759
Well, he was even doing it here.

571
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.660
I think he knows the frustration maybe that actors have.

572
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:16.680
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.440
When they watch it back and go, well, I was doing great working.

574
00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:21.180
Why didn't you do a reaction shot?

575
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.700
And so he's getting it all in there early.

576
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.200
Good bloke.

577
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:25.799
Top bloke.

578
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:27.000
Excellent director.

579
00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:30.119
Yeah, and just lovely apparently, I think.

580
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:33.059
Yeah, it's an unusual mix, isn't it?

581
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.460
Highly talented and really nice.

582
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:37.619
Yeah.

584
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.339
Yeah.

585
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.500
I do love this as well.

586
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.480
The whole Juros Gauron thing.

587
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.079
Like, who is it?

588
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.460
Who's murdered him?

589
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:45.900
Who is trying to take control?

590
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.740
So we've got a murder mystery and we've got a romance, you know

591
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:51.539
we've got a tragedy come in. all in here.

592
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:57.599
But, I mean, this kind of works, this episode, even if you haven't

593
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.720
seen sins of the Father, and it's partly because this scene tells

594
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.160
us what, um, what she's about to find out.

595
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:11.880
So we have this scene, and this scene is an interpersonal one

596
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:17.640
where we have, you know, some conflict between wharfs roll as a

597
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.319
Starfleet officer and his role as a Klingon, and in a sense, the

598
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:27.299
same sort of conflict that, that, um, Picard has, because he knows

599
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:29.880
about Jurosa's background as well.

600
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.980
Do you know what I mean?

601
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.680
And so it's going to be hard for him to be impartial in this as

602
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:34.980
well.

603
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:44.460
And then this is all the information that, um, we find out, um

604
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:46.740
that she finds out, do you know what I mean?

605
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.660
She's finding out what's being told to us here.

606
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:49.680
So it all kind of works.

607
00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:54.839
And I also think too, that the 1st death of a Klingon that we have

608
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:59.819
in this episode is by poison, and it's dishonourable, the next

609
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:04.079
death of a Klingon or 2 Klingons, I think, is it, in the explosion

610
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.539
is also not an honourable death.

611
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:11.460
It's a sneaky, you know, there's a bomb been planted secretly.

612
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.559
Um, is it this scene?

613
00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, it is.

614
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:17.519
I love the fun...

615
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.319
It's just pain in the share.

616
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.119
He's still getting paid.

617
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:23.039
Here's our 1st shot of Garon.

618
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:27.000
The camera's slightly out of focus there, Jonathan.

619
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.619
Can I just say, Fraxie?

620
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.940
The MVP of this episode is Robert O'Reilly.

621
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.920
What an acting choice.

622
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.019
It's so brilliant, isn't it?

623
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:43.019
Because we are inclined to not want Jurass to be the guy. and so

624
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:45.359
it's got to be Garon because we've just had a whole scene that

625
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:45.539
way.

626
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.460
Klingon Empire.

627
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.240
Is this guy?

628
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.640
That's right.

629
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.220
Most psychotic eyes you've ever seen.

630
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.200
Such a weirdo.

631
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.480
Creon Empire is doomed.

632
00:29:57.539 --> 00:29:59.759
It's really funny, isn't it?

633
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:00.720
It's really great.

634
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:04.859
What's great is he's clearly made some choices here, Robert

635
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.579
O'Brieny.

636
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.740
And he does, he just...

637
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.720
It completely doubles down on them when he goes on with the role

638
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.599
and he just makes them bigger and bigger.

639
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.400
He's really good.

640
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.200
He's really good.

641
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:22.740
In fact, his eyes are so recognisable when we saw him in Balla

642
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:24.420
Bing Balla bang as the money counter.

643
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.759
We knew it was him straight away from his eyes.

644
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.579
Yeah, no, he's brilliant.

645
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.480
He's really really good.

646
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:33.480
That's very, Do you think the way the camera moved there, just to

647
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.319
get them all in shot.

648
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:35.519
That's very theatrical.

649
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.680
We're back in the 90s there.

650
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:38.519
Yeah.

651
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:41.700
Oh, but look, this look at the lighting, though.

652
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.039
I always loved.

653
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:45.960
Remember we talked about the lighting on the Klingon ship in the

654
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:46.559
voyage home.

655
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:51.359
I love, it's just so much moodier, more athletes very than on a

656
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.940
Federation ship, until you probably get to Voyager.

657
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.680
That's when they, oh, wow, look at that.

658
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.500
That explosion is great.

659
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

660
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.039
They do know how to do a good explosion.

661
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:04.680
Do you remember when we had a big slow motion explosion at the

662
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:06.539
beginning of Rox and Shoals?

663
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.420
And there's a great one in the Dogs of War as well.

664
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.200
They can do.

665
00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:12.900
I mean, they know they haven't got very big explosives in the

666
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:13.200
studio.

667
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.519
They need to make it more dramatic, so they do it in slow motion.

668
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:19.019
But it looks good.

669
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.640
I think it looks good Oh, dude, these dreadful quarters in the

670
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.299
enterprise.

671
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.299
I know we said that they were, you know, the height of luxury when

672
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:32.099
we were younger, but now they do look like a hotel room of the

673
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:33.240
period, don't they?

674
00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:36.539
No, it's sort of like the flimsiest IKEA I found it show.

675
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.440
You've never seen.

676
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.960
Flat packed hotels.

677
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

678
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.680
Well, that's because that's exactly what they are.

679
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:51.480
But I love all this intrigue, and this is something that DS9

680
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:54.539
grabbed hold of and ran with, you know, all this political

681
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:55.019
intrigue.

682
00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:57.720
I love this though.

683
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:00.839
This is them actually not talking about that at all, but talking

684
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:01.920
about their relationship.

685
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:08.819
And I love this too, because we saw him, didn't we, in the

686
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:11.579
emissary?

687
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.299
Um, we saw him uh, start the oath.

688
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.039
Um, And her saying, no, no, you've got to be joking.

689
00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:21.900
I'm not getting married, blah, blah, blah.

690
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.119
And now she's starts it, doesn't she?

691
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:25.200
And he says no.

692
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:32.880
I can actually tell you the stark contrast between Gene Roddenbury

693
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.779
and Michael Pillar's visions for TNG.

694
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.460
Gene Robinbury.

695
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.779
The only time we sort of saw a Klingon and a Klingon Woman reward

696
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:47.880
was that one that was pouring at him in hide and queue, going, wow

697
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:48.180
you know?

698
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.480
and it was it was gross and not sexy at all.

699
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:54.240
And pillar comes in and he goes, no, he's a character.

700
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:56.579
We'll give him a romantic backstory.

701
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:02.099
And it's a mature relationship with a likeable person and it works

702
00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:02.759
brilliantly.

703
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.140
See, I suppose, sorry, go on.

704
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.960
No, this is what prompts her to investigate, isn't it?

705
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.319
Well, because he's shutting her down.

706
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:14.039
Yeah.

707
00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:15.420
Yeah, completely.

708
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.759
Yeah, so it's not...

709
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:19.619
She knows him.

710
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.440
So she knows that he's not capable of the things that he's been

711
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:23.099
accused of.

712
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.180
His dad's been accused of.

713
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.839
Yeah, well, she she says to him that she can't understand how it

714
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.680
can possibly have happened and she wants to know what it was and

715
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.000
he refuses to tell her.

716
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:40.200
And so he, she's investigating that uh, when Duras is alerted by

717
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.359
someone on the Klingon home world.

718
00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:44.759
Can I ask you a question?

719
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:45.359
Why is it?

720
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:47.700
Because we've only seen Kayla twice, yeah.

721
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.299
So why are these scenes we've just seen between Worf and Kayla?

722
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:57.839
So convincing as a romantic couple where so many couples in TNG.

723
00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.700
It feels so artificial.

724
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.779
So why does this work?

725
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:10.320
I wonder when it's a male regular and a female guest star.

726
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:12.420
I think romances.

727
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.059
I'm just pulling this one out of the air.

728
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.260
I think that romance is work better on the show.

729
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:24.119
And I think partly it's because they're really gross and icky

730
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.639
about female sexuality sort of generally.

731
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:32.340
Uh, I think there's something, do you know what I mean?

732
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.780
Like, think about Wendy Hughes and Picard, think about Vash and

733
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:37.619
Picard.

734
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.599
Um, like they're not embarrassing.

735
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:45.179
Whenever it's a romantic, um, totally coming in, it's all, the

736
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:48.000
romantic is always a very confident character and it's weird

737
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.639
because when you have a man coming in, being extremely confident

738
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.980
and domineering to a woman, it is a hit them.

739
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:53.579
Uncomfortable.

740
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.420
When it's a woman coming in and being dominating to a man, it's

741
00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:57.840
interesting.

742
00:34:57.960 --> 00:34:59.820
Yes, here we go.

743
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:00.360
I'm sorry.

744
00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:01.380
I can't discuss it.

745
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.519
She wants to know.

746
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.659
So that's what's happening.

747
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.820
She'll go off and get herself killed trying to find out.

748
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.780
I suppose the Shakespearean part of this is the tragedy at the end

749
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:13.679
where we know if she finds out the information she's doomed, you

750
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:13.980
know?

751
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.320
Yeah, but I don't think we do know that.

752
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:17.280
Do you know what I mean?

753
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:19.199
This is just the sort of scene that we have all the time.

754
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:22.739
You know, remember Darmok, where Darmok is a frozen dessert on

755
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.400
some planet?

756
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:28.260
I'm sorry, dear ass.

757
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.260
Oh, God, this is great.

758
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:35.880
And it is, I'll tell you what, it's a much needed levity in this

759
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.079
very serious episode.

760
00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.380
Look at the look of these boys.

761
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.300
Look at the look at the security guys.

762
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.460
They're such like quarterbacks.

763
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.059
They're, like, someone who peaked in high school there, the white

764
00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:52.199
guy, and then there's a sort of slightly darker skinned one who's

765
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.000
more attractive, but...

766
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.239
There was a quote about his eyes, about his acting choice, you

767
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.219
know, because they must have been like, what is he doing?

768
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.760
No, they must have gone, oh, yes, this is brilliant.

769
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.579
You know, like...

770
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.079
Utterly rigid then.

771
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:10.320
The only beacon on his face were those 2 orbs.

772
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:15.179
So I love this too.

773
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.460
I love how she deals with it.

774
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.460
It's like that could take hours and she goes, days, you know

775
00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.860
depending on how cooperate, if you are.

776
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.139
It's so good She's so great.

777
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.260
Oh, no, here we go, back to Alexander.

778
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.699
This is our 1st bat left.

779
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.599
Yeah.

780
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.940
Yeah, so...

781
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:33.599
The very 1st one.

782
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:34.860
The 1st one.

783
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.380
And it's the 1st time the name is used.

784
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:43.679
And I think it's, it's super important because, of course, Worf

785
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.539
couldn't have gone onto the ship and shot him with a gun. right?

786
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:54.420
He had to do it like this because this is an expression of his

787
00:36:54.420 --> 00:37:00.599
Klingon character, you know, um, And it's not because we

788
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:01.500
understand it as well.

789
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:02.340
Do you know what I mean?

790
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.000
It's not some weird ass shame culture Klingon made up thing.

791
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:09.840
It's like this man killed the woman I love and I'm going to go and

792
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:10.380
kill him.

793
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.500
It's a superb design as well, isn't it?

794
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.659
I can see why it never went anywhere.

795
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.440
I mean, I do like it when they half it, you know, and they've got

796
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:20.099
one in each hand.

797
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.179
That's pretty cool as well.

798
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.260
But, The whole thing about it being an extension of your arm, you

799
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:26.880
sort of curve it in your arm.

800
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.320
So it absolutely works on that level.

801
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:29.639
It's really good.

802
00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.579
It's a lot better than the whatever the fuck it is that the

803
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:33.420
Klingons have.

804
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:34.920
No, the Vulcans have.

805
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:35.820
Oh this.

806
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.420
I like to make that garrod on Juros both visited her to convince

807
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:40.920
that the other one was the murderer.

808
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.039
This is her him offering her a job, isn't it?

809
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:48.659
You're like, have a lovely job.

810
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.780
Remember, in the future, he does exactly the same to Worf, doesn't

811
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:51.960
he?

812
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:52.679
Way of the Warrior.

813
00:37:52.739 --> 00:37:54.239
To basically get him out of the way.

814
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:58.500
I mean, I think he ends up being a reasonable guy, doesn't he?

815
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:01.079
Gauron.

816
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:04.380
Well, I mean, he does he does take the Federation and the Klingons

817
00:38:04.380 --> 00:38:05.099
back to war.

818
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.219
Admittedly, there is a changing, pulling his strings, but sure.

819
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:10.860
But generally speaking, he's all right.

820
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.139
He gets that great speech.

821
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:13.679
Do remember that?

822
00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:18.480
Five years ago, nobody knew about Deep Space 9 or the wormhole.

823
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.519
All our hopes rest here.

824
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.300
It's great.

825
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:28.019
It's really good, though, this, because like making Gauron

826
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:29.760
obviously a terrible person.

827
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:34.860
Um, is a great choice because we know that it can't be Jurass

828
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:36.059
because he's a terrible person.

829
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.480
We sort of think, oh, well, let's hope Duras doesn't get it.

830
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:42.719
But then Carol comes along, it looks like an absolute weirdo or

831
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.260
anything.

832
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.119
Oh, that smile.

833
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:46.800
I'm sorry, that's teeth.

834
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:50.400
She just said, 10 pack was old and weak.

835
00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.699
I am not. she's so powerful.

836
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:54.900
Honestly.

837
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.860
I do love a good, strong woman on the telly, you know.

838
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.760
Oh, look, poor Jonathan's back is hurting.

839
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.380
So he's standing like that.

840
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.139
He's breaking his back trying to make this show dramatic for one

841
00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:10.440
witch.

842
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.039
Oh, yeah, yeah.

843
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.219
Oh, Romulans.

844
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:15.659
Romulans.

845
00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:20.820
And actually that that thread that runs through, I think it's like

846
00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:22.019
three, four, five.

847
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.500
They kind of lose the Romulans towards the end, don't they?

848
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.880
Yeah, and DS9 doesn't really touch them very much until the last 2

849
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:30.300
seasons.

850
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.579
I had thought when I was watching this through, before it had

851
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.780
ended, do you know what I mean?

852
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:40.500
I saw this before, uh, you know, series 7 had aired.

853
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.059
I'd assumed that the ending would be about the Romulans in some

854
00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:50.760
way because they had been, and particularly with, um, Selar with

855
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.900
um, uh, you know, Denise Crosby's character.

856
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.000
Like I thought that, do you know what I mean?

857
00:39:57.059 --> 00:40:00.480
Because it starts with the Kleons being on our side, I thought

858
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.599
that maybe it would end with us making a deal with the Romulans

859
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.940
you know, to show that that's what the show's about.

860
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.179
Instead, it's about a big arse swirly thing and queue and stuff.

861
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.800
In a TV show that's effectively a soap opera that somehow resets

862
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:18.900
every week, Denise Crosby turning up as a Romulan is the most soap

863
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:20.699
opera twist I ever could have had.

864
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.440
Such a great cliffhanger.

865
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.300
But I mean, I'll be honest, though her performance, as the Romulan

866
00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:28.739
is, is, is down there.

867
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:34.079
She does, there is a little bit of sort of camp nonsense there, but

868
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.300
it's a little bit...

869
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

870
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.480
TNG is too embarrassed to do camp.

871
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:40.559
I think it is.

872
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:42.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

873
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:43.320
Yeah.

874
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:44.880
That's what that needed, I think.

875
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:47.639
Oh, there's some good music here now.

876
00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:51.300
The sort of suspense music is she's sort of figuring out what

877
00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:51.659
happened.

878
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.300
Yeah, this is great, isn't it?

879
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:54.960
I love this.

880
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:58.920
Where's her story now, isn't it?

881
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:02.760
And then it's weird how then her narrative ends, obviously, because

882
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.340
she dies and then it becomes wolf story.

883
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:05.579
Yeah.

884
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:06.300
Yeah.

885
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.460
I just, I don't feel like they're playing by the usual TNG rules

886
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:11.820
at all.

887
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.840
No, no.

888
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.219
And I think that's exactly it.

889
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:17.760
I think that's because it's actually really rare to have a scene

890
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.059
that doesn't have one of our regulars in it.

891
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.159
And that was almost a rule.

892
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:27.480
Another thing that DS9 absolutely ran with in its later season

893
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:28.019
isn't it?

894
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.440
What is Garron doing?

895
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:32.880
He's so great.

896
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:35.039
Oh, he's doing the judge.

897
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.440
Frustrating to the singing.

898
00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:42.659
Even how he sits down is a little bit camp, isn't it?

899
00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:43.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:44.579
No, he's magnificent.

901
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.920
He's like, I'm not going to be playing this too seriously, all

902
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.219
right?

903
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:51.179
I'm going to have some fun.

904
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:56.940
There's almost like a slight exaggeration in everything he does.

905
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.539
I'm I'm reading duress.

906
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.480
He's kind of like, he's like the large adult son.

907
00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:04.500
Do you know what I mean?

908
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.340
Like he's just there because his father, you know, and he's he's

909
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.739
not a proper adult.

910
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.159
He sort of, he's sort of, you know, Donald Trump junior.

911
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:14.880
I think.

912
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.659
You know, he's just a sort of worthless individual who's ended up

913
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:22.199
in this situation because his family has manoeuvred him there.

914
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:23.940
Look how dumb he looks.

915
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.920
Like, he just says this sort of slack jawed, open-mouthed kind of

916
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:29.280
thing.

917
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.360
He's...

918
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.000
And I'll take it down to the most childish level we could possibly

919
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:33.719
do on this.

920
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.679
I feel like like Duras is someone in like sort of almost a

921
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.159
position of power with the smallest cock in the Klingon Empire.

922
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.179
Whereas Gowron knows, he knows he's got the biggest cock in the

923
00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:45.840
Klingon Empire.

924
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.280
And Caras himself that way.

925
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:48.360
Yeah.

926
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.820
It's a great contrast.

927
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:51.480
It's so fun.

928
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.360
Yeah, look at him.

929
00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:54.719
Look at him.

930
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:59.219
I could have gone with Juros and Gowron being the 2 in the every

931
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:01.019
time we go back to the Cleon Empire, you know?

932
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.639
They're always trying to bloody murder each other.

933
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.460
Brilliant.

934
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.139
And Worf's having it go at them.

935
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.179
He's not needling them.

936
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.179
Yeah, it's kind of funness, isn't it?

937
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:23.760
Yeah.

939
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.559
But Duras is doing a great job.

940
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:29.460
The guy who plays Jurass is actually pretty good and he's kind of

941
00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:33.000
taking a backseat to Gower on here, but he's pretty great.

942
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:40.679
I think what we expect is a sort of functional plot resolution to

943
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:40.980
this.

944
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.300
Yeah.

945
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.440
At the end, like TNG normally does. tidies it up in the last 2.5

946
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.219
minutes. voiceover from Captain Picard and then often to the next

947
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:51.000
jolly adventure.

948
00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:58.800
Instead, what they give us. where this is going is that K-la finds

949
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:04.679
out that Wharf accepted Duras's discommendation and then she lets

950
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.440
the, the everyone know.

951
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:11.039
And so Garon takes over and Duras loses.

952
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:12.780
And that's where we're heading isn't it?

953
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.579
Interesting is.

954
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:15.480
Yeah, for sure.

955
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

956
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.280
And what happens is that exactly happens, i.e. Gowron takes

957
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.619
commands, but the method we get there is far more shocking.

958
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:26.460
Yeah.

959
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.079
Well, it brings it.

960
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:31.500
It balls it all down to a character level and that's my end to

961
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.099
Star Trek.

962
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:34.800
And so that's why I'm so invested in the climax.

963
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:38.820
And look at her looking at like at the computer. she's so fabulous

964
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.800
Like she's not a space person.

965
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:41.820
That's the other thing.

966
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.199
She's a little bit more modern.

967
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:45.239
She seems like a...

968
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:45.599
Imagine.

969
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.880
Yes, McFadden doing these things.

970
00:44:47.940 --> 00:44:49.199
In fact, you don't...

971
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.539
You don't need to imagine it because we saw it in Remember Me

972
00:44:51.539 --> 00:44:53.820
where she was walking around on her own, figuring things out.

973
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, yeah.

974
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.300
Yes here we go.

975
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.320
And the other thing is, what, it feels so well plotted because all

976
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.679
of these pieces just sort of slot into place, don't they?

977
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah, it becomes inevitable, doesn't it?

978
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.000
It's like, yeah, why didn't we figure out this is where we were

979
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:09.300
heading?

980
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.159
Because it happens on the ship.

981
00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:13.920
Well, and because that's not what TNG does.

982
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:15.420
No, that's why.

983
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:15.840
That's why.

984
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:16.920
Exactly right.

985
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:20.219
We couldn't foresee that they'd have a dramatic climax and

986
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:20.760
satisfying.

987
00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:24.300
Yeah, so this is her winning, isn't it?

988
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.500
This is her winning?

989
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.940
Winning and then losing... was a trainer.

990
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.659
He really is.

991
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.340
He is the large adult son.

992
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.900
What happened?

993
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.920
My father wasn't a trailer.

994
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:38.579
She emasculates him now in such a powerful life.

995
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:40.079
Yeah, look how pathetic he looks.

996
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:42.599
So what does he does?

997
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:49.980
He murders a woman. know Yeah, look, she's right in his face.

998
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:50.940
She's not scared of her.

999
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.420
That's right.

1000
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.739
She thinks she's winning.

1001
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:53.579
This is her winning.

1002
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.179
But I don't think even she foresees that he would kill her.

1003
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.460
No, but we certainly don't.

1004
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.019
Where does this scene end?

1005
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.340
That'll be interesting to see.

1006
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.159
That's it.

1007
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:06.780
That's the scene ending, right?

1008
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.940
No, not Dr. Ben.

1009
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.260
Go back to the other screen.

1010
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:12.900
But we don't that's where that scene ends, right?

1011
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.719
And so the murder is a real shock, I think.

1012
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.280
In fact, Nathan, this is a brilliant contrast, because suddenly

1013
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.059
we've got Dr. Bevan Riker talking about a bomb going off and the

1014
00:46:24.059 --> 00:46:27.480
plot logistics and this is our normal TNG episode, literally

1015
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.739
coming straight after this incredible TNG episode that's playing

1016
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:32.280
out in front of us.

1017
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1018
00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:34.260
There you go.

1019
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.800
There's a picture of a the bones in an arm for some reason

1020
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:39.900
dinosaur scans.

1021
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.880
She's doing diner scans, which is exciting.

1022
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.920
We've got to give her something to do, though.

1023
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:46.199
Gates has gone up here, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1024
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.099
Yeah, I think these 2 work really well, actually, I think.

1025
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.679
Oh, until they started snogging in that episode.

1026
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:53.519
Remember?

1027
00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:55.260
Oh, yeah, that was pretty dreadful.

1028
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.119
Oh, would you know the 2 of them?

1029
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:59.880
Were there this low angle shot of Wolf again?

1030
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:01.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:02.699
Because we're with the sun.

1032
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:05.219
It's how we get both of them in shot.

1033
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.739
And that is a real shock.

1034
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:08.880
And look at all the blood.

1035
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.679
It's the bloody handprint on that old TNG furniture.

1036
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:16.380
It's almost like it feels completely wrong, doesn't it?

1037
00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:21.659
Now, these, the close-up of Alexander's face is not a great idea

1038
00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:25.079
because he obviously can't act and we don't want to see him crying

1039
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.239
because that would be too yucky.

1040
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.940
Like, we couldn't see him distressed at his murdered mother.

1041
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.380
So instead we just see him staring fairly disinterestedly into the

1042
00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:35.099
middle distance.

1043
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.360
Um, It's just, it's the blood.

1044
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:40.199
Yeah.

1045
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:43.079
But I also like that she's not able to say very much.

1046
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:45.719
Like she says maybe one or 2 things and that's it.

1047
00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:50.940
You know, and that's her dying, but the hand, like the dream...

1048
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:57.000
I usually want to compare DS9 to TNG and DS9's favour, but this is

1049
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.579
so much more powerful than Jadzia Daxi's death.

1050
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:00.659
Oh yeah, yeah.

1051
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.400
Our children would have been so beautiful.

1052
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:03.960
It would have been so beautiful.

1053
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:08.519
I'd rather she just did what Kaylo did and didn't say a lot, you

1054
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:09.300
know, it just expired.

1055
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.800
That was really good.

1056
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:12.239
Like, that was properly good.

1057
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:15.960
It's so visceral, that blood.

1058
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:17.280
It's horrible.

1059
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:18.420
There's so much of it.

1060
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.219
It's brilliant.

1061
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.559
Him saying to Alexander, look, look.

1062
00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:24.179
This is your 1st view of death.

1063
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:24.480
Look.

1064
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:28.679
I think it's so it's that Klingon thing about getting revenge on

1065
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.900
the people that, you know, betray your house.

1066
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.239
It's really alien, isn't it?

1067
00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:37.920
Like, it is, like, that's him being very Klingon, you know, like

1068
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.760
like we've seen her interacting with her some the way that a sort

1069
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:46.619
of American mother of the time would do, um, and that now he's

1070
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:52.139
showing death, you know. just comes in the shot, doesn't talk to

1071
00:48:52.139 --> 00:48:53.039
the wharf.

1072
00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:56.159
She literally, she pulled that bit of furniture aside.

1073
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:58.019
She goes, we're not having real drama here.

1074
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.300
Excuse me, I'm gonna back on me.

1075
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.400
Oh, great.

1076
00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:06.300
And now this, this, I remember my blood pumping, thinking, what is

1077
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:06.900
Worf gonna do?

1078
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.239
Look how red looks the red light on the walls.

1079
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:10.860
Look at the red light on my walls.

1080
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:11.340
Great.

1081
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.840
And he takes his sash off that no one else wears.

1082
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:17.699
Oh does he take his little badge off?

1083
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:18.719
Yeah, he does.

1084
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:20.880
So yeah, so this was the point where I was like, there's no coming

1085
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:21.539
back from this now.

1086
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.039
You're going to go and...

1087
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.059
Well, except he's going to be stopped.

1088
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.500
They're going to stop him, though.

1089
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.699
Do you know what I mean?

1090
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.619
Like, I think at this point they're going to stop him.

1091
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:30.119
They don't.

1092
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.280
No, I know, but we think they are.

1093
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:34.920
I was like, did you watch the end?

1094
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.739
Yeah, I've seen this before.

1095
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:42.239
But we're so used as well. on TNG, because we are federation

1096
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:42.719
focussed.

1097
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:45.960
We're so used to the alien characters sort of being punished if

1098
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.400
they don't toe the line.

1099
00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:49.500
That's the way of TNG.

1100
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.320
Is that if you don't behave like a good human being, even though

1101
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.219
you're a Klingon.

1102
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.019
And he's literally being a Klingon through and through here.

1103
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.400
So that's why after he did it.

1104
00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:02.820
Yeah, he takes off the Federation thing, picks up the big Klingon

1105
00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:05.340
knife and heads off to get him, you know?

1106
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.480
It's actually a bit of, you know, Picard goes, oh, we put a note

1107
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:10.860
in your file. or something.

1108
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.320
It's not really enough, is it?

1109
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:16.679
He has to be back next week and it won't come up again next week.

1110
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.179
So.

1111
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.019
Oh, that handsome Klingon guy.

1112
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:28.019
Yeah, and that, because he doesn't know about Kayla, and so he

1113
00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:32.519
doesn't expect any response from Worf, even though he's walking

1114
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.880
here with a big bat left. was my mate.

1115
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:38.099
So suddenly they all start handing in weapons.

1116
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.239
You're dead, mate.

1117
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.199
You better stop defending yourself.

1118
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.139
Oh, dear.

1119
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.760
Oh no, look, he's only got a sword.

1120
00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:51.480
Wolf's got the ballet, you'll be fine. batless, yeah. yeah that's

1121
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:51.659
right.

1122
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.000
And this, you know, well, he's coming back with us.

1123
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:55.920
Well, stunning. do you know what I mean?

1124
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:59.159
Uh, get on with the show.

1125
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:01.739
It's not a bad fight as well, Nation.

1126
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.239
It a pretty good... really good.

1127
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:09.719
It's in a very confined space and I don't think that that was

1128
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.159
Patrick Massette there.

1129
00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:13.260
I think that might have been a stunt double.

1130
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.739
What's great about it is you can really feel the aggression

1131
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:19.019
between the 2 of them. like the blows are hard.

1132
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.900
And I like this too.

1133
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:26.219
The king, kill me and you'll be a traitor forever is pretty good

1134
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:26.880
too.

1135
00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:28.559
That's great.

1136
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.420
So they come in.

1137
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.679
Come in in time.

1138
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:36.960
Then we cut, and then we see the reaction. which is really great.

1139
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:41.820
Like, the reaction shot is so good from...

1140
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.320
That's great again.

1141
00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:45.599
I'm going to have the reaction shot here.

1142
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:45.960
All right.

1143
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.480
But Brent does a great reaction shot as well.

1144
00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:52.380
And Brent turns straight to Jonathan to see, how are you

1145
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.280
responding to this?

1146
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:54.360
It's really good.

1147
00:51:54.420 --> 00:52:00.719
And then a very un TNG shot of the bat left embedded in his chest

1148
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.159
and more blood.

1149
00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:03.539
I know, I know.

1150
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.440
It's so great.

1151
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:08.820
Oh, this might be one of my absolute favourites, you know, that

1152
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:09.719
we've done so far.

1153
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:10.980
It is really good.

1154
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.039
It's not Dharmok, but it is superb, I think.

1155
00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:20.340
Yeah, this is the one, this is the one note that feels a bit tough

1156
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:22.199
you know, like, Mr. Worf.

1157
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:25.739
I'm going to put a reprimand in your file for murdering that man

1158
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:26.519
back to work.

1159
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.460
No, that's right.

1160
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.079
Mind you, pretty much every, they had to sort of get this out of

1161
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:37.380
the way.

1162
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.260
Every single member of the DS9 crew was a murderer in one way or

1163
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:40.559
another.

1164
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:44.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they all had a mention on their file.

1165
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:48.780
Maybe they put a clause in the prime murder and the cause of duty

1166
00:52:48.780 --> 00:52:52.139
is acceptable and then a couple of clauses. you know?

1167
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:57.000
Well, I mean, the thing is because it is acceptable in a Klingon.

1168
00:52:57.059 --> 00:52:58.920
Like he hasn't broken Klingon law.

1169
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:01.260
He behaved appropriately for a Klingon.

1170
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:07.440
So there are no diplomatic, um, uh, you know, there's no no sort

1171
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:08.820
of particular problem there.

1172
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.340
He did the right thing as far as that's concerned.

1173
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:17.400
You know, as Stuart is kind of with a stare there.

1174
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:19.199
He's looking disappointed.

1175
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.039
He's looking understanding because he gets why Worf did it.

1176
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.559
And he's looking all forested as well.

1177
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.599
He's doing quite a lot with his eyes in that scene.

1178
00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:31.320
Except he's much smaller than wharf in this shot, which I think is

1179
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.980
really interesting.

1180
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:32.880
Do you know what I mean?

1181
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:34.440
You've got a profile of warf.

1182
00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:37.980
Like, it's quite, I don't know, and he's slight, he's out of focus

1183
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:42.480
in the foreground, because he's just taking it, and then we get

1184
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.699
back to just us talking again.

1185
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:45.659
Do you know what I mean?

1186
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.219
Like, now we're just talking as, you know, colleagues and not as

1187
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:53.340
you know, your commanding officer telling you off.

1188
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:56.400
Yeah, it's super interesting, isn't it?

1189
00:53:56.460 --> 00:54:00.539
Later on, they they sort of, they double down on war dishonour as

1190
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:01.260
well, don't they?

1191
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.739
When he refuses to go to invade Cardassia.

1192
00:54:04.860 --> 00:54:07.800
So his name's even more mud amongst the Klingon Empire.

1193
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:08.639
Yeah, they do it again.

1194
00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:10.320
He gets discommended once more.

1195
00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:14.280
And then what's great is when Gauron sees a political opportunity

1196
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:18.239
because Martox becoming very popular in the Dominion War, he goes

1197
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.880
oh, well, if you're a mate of Martox, you're all right by me.

1198
00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:32.639
Oh, Garam can snip out a political advantage at any move, got it.

1199
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.199
See, this is...

1200
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:38.639
Paul, that's not him.

1201
00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:40.679
This is a kid called John Stoyer.

1202
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.780
Oh, is it?

1203
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.159
Yeah, yeah.

1204
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:45.719
I have... you say that earlier?

1205
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:47.340
No, no.

1206
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:48.960
Oh, we got it wrong, yeah?

1207
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.659
No, Brian Bonsall will play him later.

1208
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.599
He gets 3 cast as Brian Bonsor, but this is not him.

1209
00:54:54.659 --> 00:54:56.820
So 3 people, I think, end up playing.

1210
00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:58.980
Look how convinced I was that it was the same actor.

1211
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.639
No, no, no, no, because he's a little bit more annoying.

1212
00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:05.579
I think, um, that he's a little...

1213
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.780
A little bit less talented.

1214
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.139
Yeah, well, I don't think this kid's very talented, but he's not

1215
00:55:10.139 --> 00:55:11.400
called upon to do very much.

1216
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.239
I do like the are you my father and he says yes.

1217
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.920
That's pretty good.

1218
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:21.900
And I do like the fact that Wolf recognises I can't give you the

1219
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:23.039
life you deserve here.

1220
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:26.699
I don't feel, it doesn't feel like I'm just shunting you off of my

1221
00:55:26.699 --> 00:55:27.000
parents.

1222
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:27.960
You're cramping my style.

1223
00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:29.219
I've got a career.

1224
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.960
Do you remember the kid in the book?

1225
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:37.320
Is it the bonding, the kid, whose mother dies, who never gets

1226
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:37.980
mentioned again?

1227
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.820
We have that special ceremony and he'll be his best friend and

1228
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:42.900
then we never see him again.

1229
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.380
What's great is when Wolf's parents show up with Alexandra and say

1230
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:49.199
no, it's time you start accepting your responsibilities.

1231
00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:51.059
We're leaving him here, the little shit, all right?

1232
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.579
Warp's mother is so great.

1233
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:55.679
She does too. episodes, doesn't she?

1234
00:55:55.739 --> 00:55:56.460
She does family.

1235
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.519
And then she does the one where she brings Alexander back.

1236
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:00.239
There he is.

1237
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:05.699
One of the biggest surprises I had when I was doing my 2nd round

1238
00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:12.780
of reviews on Star Trek was just how many subtle narratives there

1239
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:14.519
were running through TNG.

1240
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:18.179
How many recurring characters we keep coming back to and how they

1241
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:22.800
sort of gently have stories playing out?

1242
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:25.920
And obviously DS9 does that to an extreme later.

1243
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.019
They sort disobey all the rules.

1244
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.420
But this is, as we said at the beginning.

1245
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.400
This is the strongest example of that.

1246
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:37.739
And as a result, I think wharf outs this show, possibly as the

1247
00:56:37.739 --> 00:56:38.760
most impressive character.

1248
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:40.860
Certainly in terms of development.

1249
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:46.019
Yeah, he was nearly not kind of going to be in every episode.

1250
00:56:46.139 --> 00:56:51.119
Like he wasn't going to be one of the kind of main characters.

1251
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.800
I don't know.

1252
00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:56.099
I think, you know, like Star Trek, the Next Generation could have

1253
00:56:56.099 --> 00:56:59.159
had more semi-regulars, but basically what do we get?

1254
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:03.599
We get Barclay, we get um, Alyssa Agawa.

1255
00:57:03.659 --> 00:57:04.800
That's about it, really.

1256
00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:08.340
And, And I think that's a shame.

1257
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.980
I think it would have been more interesting with more people.

1258
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:16.860
Star Trek always seems slightly ridiculous because it's the same 7

1259
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:20.699
people doing literally everything on the ship and you wonder what

1260
00:57:20.699 --> 00:57:21.719
else everyone else is doing.

1261
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:26.340
I think it's, I think it's the the POVs that we talked about

1262
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:26.639
there.

1263
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:28.380
That's the biggest difference in this.

1264
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.719
You have a Geordie Aquiao or something like that.

1265
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:34.500
You have a Jordan the Forge investigates episode and every scene

1266
00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:37.619
is from Geordie La Forge's point of view as he goes from console

1267
00:57:37.619 --> 00:57:39.900
to console trying to figure out what's going on.

1268
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.260
Whereas this switched POVs all the time throughout.

1269
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.480
And as a result, it feels bigger.

1270
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.579
It feels more interesting to watch.

1271
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

1272
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:50.159
And proper things happened.

1273
00:57:50.219 --> 00:57:54.420
And those things do end up having an effect on the character and

1274
00:57:54.420 --> 00:57:59.159
they don't properly take and run with, you know, death of Kayla

1275
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.519
but they end up finding a way to bring Alexander back in and

1276
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:02.940
stuff.

1277
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:07.559
I think, you know, um, and certainly this will all culminate in

1278
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.039
the big cliffhanger at the end of this season, won't it?

1279
00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:13.679
Yeah, this is redemption at the end of this season.

1280
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.539
Yeah, of course it is. yeah.

1281
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.619
Yeah.

1282
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.400
Well, listen, can I give the final word on reunion to Jonathan

1283
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:25.199
Frakes himself, director of this episode, who is quoted as saying

1284
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.260
Rick's been throwing me some nice episodes?

1285
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.239
Three people got killed.

1286
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:32.760
There was murder and there was revenge.

1287
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:34.320
I've been lucky.

1288
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:35.699
Susie was great.

1289
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.679
A lot of people are sorry she's dead.

1290
00:58:37.739 --> 00:58:41.159
It's a character that people really loved or hated because she was

1291
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:45.420
so big and shameless in her performance and I loved it.

1292
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.340
Oh wonderful.

1293
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.940
Four people died actually, Jonathan, but who's counting?

1294
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:56.340
But, you know, like poor people died in home soil, ugly bags of

1295
00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:56.940
mostly water.

1296
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.699
It certainly wasn't as memorable as reunion.

1297
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:00.599
No, exactly.

1298
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:11.460
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1299
00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:13.739
work out what we're going to do next time.

1300
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:19.860
I had the good fortune to roll reunion last time, so it's your

1301
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.199
turn now, Joe. What series are we doing?

1302
00:59:22.980 --> 00:59:25.079
Astonishingly.

1303
00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:31.320
We haven't actually been to DS 9 for, I think, 11 episodes.

1304
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:32.039
Oh, wow.

1305
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:34.500
I was looking at the randomiser earlier.

1306
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.239
We've done original series.

1307
00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:38.940
We've done a couple of Kurtzman's across series.

1308
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.179
We've done a movie, we've done a few TNGs, and we've definitely

1309
00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:45.059
done a few voyages, but we haven't really done a DS9 for quite

1310
00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:45.480
some time.

1311
00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:47.820
And this must be redressed.

1312
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:48.780
Okay.

1313
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.480
We nearly did it deep, so it's not this time.

1314
00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:57.960
I just don't want to follow up a classic... with a shit...

1315
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:59.880
If wishes were horses.

1316
00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:03.179
After I've said that, you know, TNG laid down all these

1317
01:00:03.179 --> 01:00:06.659
foundations and DS9 ran with them, I'm going to get something like

1318
01:00:06.659 --> 01:00:08.760
oh, no, celess or something, aren't I?

1319
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.099
Well, are you ready?

1320
01:00:11.219 --> 01:00:12.179
I'm ready.

1321
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.119
I did not get celess.

1322
01:00:15.179 --> 01:00:16.380
Oh.

1323
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.539
Did you get if wishes were horses?

1324
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.880
I did get a season one episode.

1325
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.380
Oh, is it good?

1326
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.219
Your random Star Trek, Deep Space 9 episode is season one, episode

1327
01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:29.880
19.

1328
01:00:30.179 --> 01:00:31.920
Duet.

1329
01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:34.260
Have we done that?

1330
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.780
No, we did progress.

1331
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:37.679
We did progress.

1332
01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:40.619
Duets, the other major Kira episode.

1333
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:41.760
The one that everyone loves.

1334
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:45.480
I think that I ended up watching that at around about the same

1335
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.619
time as we were watching progress and that might be why I thought

1336
01:00:49.619 --> 01:00:51.900
we'd already covered it.

1337
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:52.500
What do you think?

1338
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:53.579
I think we probably do it.

1339
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.940
I have already pressed the button and do you know why?

1340
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:03.539
It's because I think we've done quite a fair few of DS9's accepted

1341
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:03.900
classics.

1342
01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:07.260
And I feel like we should leave some of them, you know, for about

1343
01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:08.280
5 years down the line.

1344
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:12.599
Otherwise we'll be left with nothing but a man alone and, you know

1345
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:13.679
resurrection and stuff.

1346
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.480
Okay.

1347
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:18.360
Oh, yeah, okay, let's do this.

1348
01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:19.320
This is a fun one.

1349
01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:23.219
Your random Star Trek this place on our episode is season seven

1350
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:26.639
episode six, Treachery, Faith, and the Great River.

1351
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:28.800
Ooh, okay, I'm up for that for sure.

1352
01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:30.900
You know why we should do that?

1353
01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:35.519
It's because the A-plot is all Renee Aubergonois, and the B-plot

1354
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.239
is all Aaron Eisenberg, and we've lost both of them and we'll get

1355
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.219
to say lovely things about both of them in this.

1356
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:42.780
Okay, that's brilliant.

1357
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:44.159
Awesome. looking forward to that.

1358
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:49.739
And there's 2 Wayons talking to each other in it, and, you know

1359
01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:51.119
what more do we need?

1360
01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:52.980
Well, let's do it then.

1361
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:53.940
Let's do it.

1362
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.679
Just for the sequence where Wayo looks at Damar and says, my

1363
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.800
predecessor's deaf in a transporter accident.

1364
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.480
Highly suspicious. wonderful.

1365
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:19.500
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1366
01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:20.699
and Nathan Bottomley.

1367
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.059
We're online at entitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1368
01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:26.880
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1369
01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:30.599
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1370
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.219
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1371
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.539
This episode was recorded on the 10th of January 2024 and released

1372
01:02:36.539 --> 01:02:37.739
on the 12th of January.

1373
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Treachery

1374
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:43.559
Faith, and the Great River.

1375
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.300
I haven't thought what I'll say, but I always end up saying

1376
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:04.860
something, so I think we'll be OK. You nap hand at this now.

1377
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.460
Ah, dear.

1378
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.940
I spent some time reorganising the website in a way that no one

1379
01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:15.599
will know about except me, and if I've done it right, it will have

1380
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.860
actually no effect on the actual website that's produced.

1381
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:22.380
Does it help the admin of the website?

1382
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:23.579
It does a little bit.

1383
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:29.699
It means I have to do slightly less work each episode, but we

1384
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:33.900
probably need to do about a 1000 episodes in order to make up for

1385
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:36.840
the time that I spent actually doing the thing.

1386
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.980
Well, by the end, we would have done over a 1000 episodes.

1387
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.840
So, you know, like...

1388
01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:45.420
You'll just have to wait a long time for that reward.

1389
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:49.800
So it's really hot here and Alfie has just crashed on the floor

1390
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:50.760
behind me.

1391
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:54.119
I can't even show he's just completely passed out.

1392
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.719
Look how young he looks.

1393
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:59.219
Look how young he looks directing it.

1394
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:00.960
Oh my god.

1395
01:04:01.019 --> 01:04:02.639
Well, we actually see him in it.

1396
01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:05.579
So that maybe that's not that much of a surprise.

1397
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.360
Being exactly that young.

1398
01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:10.980
He's really good.

1399
01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:12.239
Holy crap.

1400
01:04:12.300 --> 01:04:14.460
And so, yes. well.

1401
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.239
We'll talk about it, but yeah, it's great.

1402
01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:19.980
It's a good choice.

1403
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.960
Yeah, I was really surprised, actually.

1404
01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:25.679
I thought reunion was kind of good but anyway, I'll save it.

1405
01:04:25.739 --> 01:04:29.159
Well, I checked out my review because I obviously written my

1406
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.760
original review and then I read another review and on both of them

1407
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:34.800
I gave it a 10 and 5 stars.

1408
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:35.880
Yeah, okay.

1409
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.380
I've always loved this.

1410
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:42.659
I've got a memory.

1411
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.460
I have a memory.

1412
01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:45.059
Of this.

1413
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:46.380
Yeah.

1414
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.599
You're going to do a Siheart moment of youth.

1415
01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:49.500
I am.

1416
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:50.099
Yeah.

1417
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.179
I will start then.

1418
01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:58.380
Hey, Joe. Hi.

1419
01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:03.360
So after last week's triumphant episode of Star Trek Picard.