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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back this week with the fourth episode of season 3 of

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Star Trek Picard, which actually screened, I think, in March last

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year.

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So I came and stayed with you, we recorded justice together in

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person, our 1st episode in person.

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And then as I was leaving England.

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The night before I left was when Picard series 3 debuted, and then

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I watched it the whole time I was away.

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So I was sort of travelling around the place, but making sure I

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was still able to watch Star Trek Picard.

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Were you watching it at the same time or did you do your usual

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thing of saying, oh, it's new Star Trek?

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I don't want to say it.

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I actually, I watched the 1st 3 episodes, I think.

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No, no, no, I'm lying that series too.

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No, no, no.

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I watched this all later.

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I binged the whole season in one go later and was very impressed

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overall.

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I think this half of the season is the better half of the season

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for me.

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This sort of protracted chase that's going on in this nebula in

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the 1st half of series 3.

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But I can't believe we just missed out on watching a genuinely

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good episode of Star Trek together by one day.

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That's so great.

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We had to watch justice instead.

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I just think this whole season is really great.

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And I was on board for both series one and series 2 of Picard, as

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you know, but I do think that series 3 was the right move given

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that we weren't going to have Patrick Stewart to do another season

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after this.

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And if you think about it, this gets released 28 years and 8

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months after all good things.

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So very nearly 30 years after all good things.

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Whereas the undiscovered country, Star Trek 6 is just under 23

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years after turnabout intruder.

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And so what's striking about this is it does the thing that I said

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that Star Trek, the Next Generation movies don't do, which is it

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gives us a chance to miss them.

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And so we're glad that they're all back and we get to see them

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again, we get that pleasure, that Star Trek, the motion picture

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pleasure that people had in 1978.

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We get to have that.

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And we just get to see them all being incredibly old.

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The sad truth is, had the next generation's run ended with

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nemesis.

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We were sort of glad to see him gone by that point because it

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really felt as if the air had all gone out of the balloon and

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nobody was doing their best work.

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And then I remember when Picard came on, I thought Picard was

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going to be this all the way through.

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I thought it was going to be a massive loving for the next

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generation.

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So when I watched that 1st episode and it was something very dark

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and twisted.

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They were beating this franchise into unusual shapes with admiral

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swearing and people dying all just odd things going on.

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I was like okay, so we're not doing that.

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I'm really pleased that we did have.

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I don't really need it because this was never my show, but I saw

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the collective response to this.

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And I think people needed this sort of last hurrah for the next

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generation crew.

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And what's really clear about this season is how it very slowly

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assembles all the pieces and doesn't give us our payoff until I

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think is at the end of episode 9 where they finally sit down at

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the bridge and we're exactly where we were all those years ago and

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everyone's getting all the nostalgic feels.

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I should have predicted that I never expected that they would be

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on the Enterprise D Bridge.

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And so when they're all together by about episode 7 or 8, I kind

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of think, all right, so this is them and this crew is going to

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save the galaxy, but then having them do that from the bridge if

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the Enterprise D lovingly recreated was pretty damn incredible, I

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think.

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I love all, I was still all the behind the scenes footage out of

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the signs saying, do not step on the carpet.

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And they want Hoover and that dreadful bridge carpet like mad just

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to make it all look pristine.

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What struck me about no win scenario was when we watched Nepenthe

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it wasn't The next generation.

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And we've made lots of comments about sort of how the characters

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have been deepened how the actors were giving chances to act

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rather than just, you know, obey a plot.

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When I watched this in isolation this morning, it really felt like

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a next generation episode.

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To me, you had scenes in engineering where hypo spanners were

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being passed to people.

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Beverly Crusher was staring off camera, looking a bit, you know

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doing her acting in inverted commas.

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There were sequences on a holiday.

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Like it really felt, and I know it's not the enterprise.

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We're on a Federation ship, which we haven't really done a lot of

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in Picard.

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It really felt like we're back in that universe again.

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And it's all sort of coherent back to where we were back to what

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people want.

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But the thing is here too, I think, what is great about this

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episode, this clearly ends a kind of 4 episode arc, and it starts

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at the very bleakest moment.

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So the cliffhanger to the previous episode is that the sheep is

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falling into a gravity well and they're all going to die and

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there's no way we can think of avoiding that.

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And then it ends in triumph.

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And the reason it ends in triumph is because the characters

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embrace being Star Trek and they're kind of rewarded for that by

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that incredible visual of those weird squid monsters that hark

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back to encounter at FarPoint.

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It just so, so tremendous.

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I was seeing the little sperm creatures from Elogium around

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Voyager.

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I get what you're saying.

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Mind you, like the previous episodes of this.

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Did the unthinkable.

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It drove a wedge between Picard and Riker in a brilliant scene. and

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Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Freyce refuse to hold back.

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It's like, we've never had any tension for the last 30 years

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playing these characters.

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Let's go through.

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And then when he orders Picard off the bridge, it really feels

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like a moment and almost like these characters can't come back

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from this.

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And then what we get here, and this leans into sort of my DS9 love

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of the 90s, is a series of protracted character scenes whilst this

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sort of 10 stuff's playing out.

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There are long character scenes in this.

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That are just really like exemplary written.

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They're beautiful dialogue, great characterisation.

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It's pushing all the characters along.

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Everybody's learning about each other.

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It's just a lovely fusion of everything. 90s trek did well.

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With the money of today. you know, and and the acting

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opportunities that those actors are getting now.

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So I think this is probably my favourite episode of the season.

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Yeah, I think it is pretty great.

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And I also think too, that despite the fact that it is very

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similar in some senses to Star Trek, the Next Generation, I think

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that the quality of the relationships between the characters is so

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much better, that this is superior, I think, to even the best kind

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of episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Cut above doesn't really do it justice, does it?

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Yeah, no, because all the things that are happening are happening

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in an interesting way.

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It's told interestingly in a way that 90s trek never is.

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It looks astonishing.

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It looks so great.

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I just think it's really, really good.

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I had some objections about the end of the season being back onto

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the Enterprise D, fighting the Borg, doing all those, like, I just

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felt it felt a little unambitious and a little, we're just going

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to play the same beats again, because this is what all the fans

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want.

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And it was sort of leaning into the past a bit too much.

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But they're doing that here as well because all the stuff they're

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talking about.

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Beverly's ex-husband Jack, the Battle of All 359, is doing all of

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that, but just in dialogue scenes.

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And I don't know why it just felt more effective.

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What was irritating about it was these conversations could have

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happened.

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Yes.

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In the 19s.

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Yeah.

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We've learned, you know, we've learned and we're doing it now and

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that's a good thing.

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I have to say that the ending is very fan pleasing, but it's so

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spectacular and so ambitious in the way that it looks visually and

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in what they're trying to thwart, you know, that something has

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kind of inhabited the federation at the very basic level, both

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technologically and through its personnel.

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And the scale of what's happening is so big and so huge, so much

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bigger and so much huger than they could possibly have done.

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And I think we would have been disappointed if the Borg hadn't

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been involved.

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And of course, we delighted that the changelings that the Dominion

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are involved as well.

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That's pretty great too.

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Again, it's a fusion of all those things that really worked in the

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90s.

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He's doing, you know, what they do really well in lower decks

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cherry picking all the best, you know. but then doing it at its

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best as well.

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One other thing I want to say before we go in.

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Like in these 1st kind of episodes, I was like, what is the point

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of Jack Rusher?

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Like, in this sort of, um, can't be our sort of attitude, doesn't

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want to know his dad.

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And I was getting really annoyed, I think, when I 1st watched this

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in those middle scenes, where he started sitting in the bar and

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he's not really engaging with his dad, even though the car's

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really trying.

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And then that last scene in the restaurant.

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So there's a series of scenes in this episode where Picard's

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talking to a load of cadets about his great battles and, you know

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teamwork and all these things that make the Federation what it

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is.

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Oh, mock, yeah, that was there too.

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And then we find out at the end of the episode, Jack Rusher was

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there the whole time and he asks, Picard, what about family?

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You never had a family.

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And Picard, in a moment, you know, play into the crowd, goes

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Starfleet's the only family I ever needed, you know, and then sits

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looks very satisfied with himself and starts eating his haddock.

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Yeah, and Jack Rusher is appalled.

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And just with that, it absolutely sells everything you've seen to

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that point.

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They're really thinking about these people.

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And of course, Picard is remembering that at the time when we see

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it.

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And he looks across at Jack realising that that was Jack, that

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said that, that it was Jack all the time 5 years ago at the age of

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18.

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And he looks up, like Picard in the flashback looks up and sees

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that Jack is gone and Picard in the present day realises that.

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And that's so well told, the fact that because we have sort of

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flashbacks, I think, at the beginning of quite a few of the

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episodes of Picard.

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But the way that the flashback is threaded through this episode

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and the way that it has different meanings at different points of

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the episode and it informs the episode that we're seeing at the

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different points that it's at.

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It's just very, very well told, I think.

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You know, mine's always characters.

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So that punch at the end.

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I mean, that justified it entirely, but also, also this is a

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massive sort of treatise on your crew.

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What's it?

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Picard says your crew allows you to be able to do the things that

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you can't do on your own.

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I thought that's what those flashbacks were all about.

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Yeah, they had this 2nd meaning at the end.

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It was just brilliantly written.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Really, very good.

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Oh, wait, can I say one last thing with them before we go?

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It's been a while since we've talked about Star Trek.

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I know, I know.

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And that is the joy I had when Gakes McFadden was wandering around

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sort of looking slightly hypnotised, looking at her pad every time

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this weird, what is it that's happening?

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There's like a build-up attractions, energy waves.

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Well, that's my point here.

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There's a buildup of all of these energy waves or something.

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It just sounds like Star Trek Technobabble.

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And then she manages to tie it into a biological event that's

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going on, hence justifying her existence.

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And I punched the air going, oh, my God, Gates McFallen has a

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recent... exactly right.

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It's not wizarding anymore.

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It's Dr. Crusher now, that has their role.

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It was pretty good.

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We'll talk about it as it happens, but often those countdowns

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actually kind of linked to the previous scene's dialogue in all

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sorts of weird ways.

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I think it's just terribly thoughtfully done.

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This was 90s trek.

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She would have just like, for no reason whatsoever.

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She's got no experience with energy She's on the bridge.

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Just have a pad and go, 0 my god, I've just noticed a pattern in

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this and it would be absolutely tedious.

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It was brilliantly done here, I thought.

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Yeah.

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All right, I think we should go in.

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What do you reckon?

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lovely to be so, so pleasant about modern day Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's really great.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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You know that title, no win scenario?

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Is that in relation to the could be could be Ashimaru?

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I don't know.

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That is what you think of, isn't it, when you 1st see it?

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It's used in dialogue by one of the cadets.

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So there's a pretty male cadet and a pretty female cadet, and the

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female cadet uses the phrase, no win scenario, to talk about that

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story, because the other flashback is, of course, the story to the

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story about the other Jack Crusher and Picard.

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And that plays into both stories, I think.

283
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But you were very into that. very pleased during that scene when

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Picard dropped an F-bomb.

285
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Yes, yeah.

286
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Yeah, I'll bet you fuck for the 1st time.

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What are they doing?

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So I think it works really well because it's a real proper

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admission of how he felt about that.

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It's a story that he's romanticising when he's telling it to the

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cadets and maybe at some point romanticising it when he's telling

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it to Jack.

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And then he, there's a little moment of honesty where he says

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actually it was 10 fucking gruelling hours.

295
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And I thought that was really good.

296
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You know how you often have a bit of a hard on for these starship

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designs in Star Trek.

298
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Yeah, I love the Titan.

299
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Did you, well, no, no.

300
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I was going to talk about the the change thing ship.

301
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Which, if you look at it closely, actually has panelling very like

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the Jem'adar ships, it looks like how they would be envisaged

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years later.

304
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Yeah, yeah, it is pretty great.

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This thing too, the portal device, which gets thrown away in this

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episode, and it's obviously used for a fantastic special effect

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shot in the 1st episode that terrorist attack that it's used for

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on some kind of Starfleet facility.

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But here, it's they shoot themselves.

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So they shoot themselves, the portal appears in front of them and

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then the same torpedoes come behind them and crash into them.

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It's so good.

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It's so visually interesting.

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You know exactly how it works.

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Also, I just think calling it the Shrike is such a great name for

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a ship.

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You see that there in the flashback.

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He goes, sit out, Admiral.

319
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Yeah, it's not working.

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You've just killed us all.

321
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And then you just see the Titan dead in the water.

322
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Yeah, yeah.

323
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Yeah.

324
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Yeah, even the previously on Next Generation, sorry, previously on

325
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Star Trek Picard, you know, that's more propulsive and interesting

326
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than it has been in the past.

327
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And they're using that next generation font as well, aren't they?

328
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Yeah, yeah.

329
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Oh, they use the music over and over again.

330
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Yeah.

331
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I do like this 10 forward bar, you know, this very nice.

332
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Yeah.

333
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Yeah, I do too.

334
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It's really nice.

335
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It's a lot nicer than our normal 10 forward in the 90s.

336
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Well, that's a that is a beautiful set, I think, but yes.

337
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Well, it's just look how it's lit, you know, with all the external

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lighting sources.

339
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It's much more atmospheric.

340
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Yeah, I agree.

341
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We are also 30 years later.

342
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So yeah, like it should be.

343
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So this, this is so adorable.

344
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So he's encountered the herogen.

345
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This is like the sort of thing that the lower deckers would do.

346
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You know, they'd be fangirling about Captain Picard and meeting

347
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the Hirogen and all that sort of thing.

348
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That's precisely what's happening.

349
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I think this is actual dialogue from a convention that Kate Mulgul

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has been on.

351
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What was it like when you met the Hirogen?

352
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He is pretty, that boy, isn't he?

353
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Little, um, cadet wants his face.

354
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Patrick Stewart.

355
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I've, I don't, I don't say I've been a little unkind about him in

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Star Trek.

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Like, the age is so clear in his voice now.

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So he can't be quite as commanding as he used to be back in the

359
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day, I don't think.

360
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I think this is great.

361
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That thing where he says I'm not much of a storyteller.

362
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It's so deliberately a laugh line because he never...

363
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He's a man of the theatre.

364
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That's right.

365
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He's constantly doing it.

366
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And this is beautiful too.

367
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Even here, when it's introduced.

368
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It's obviously introduced for this.

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So he's saying you'll never be without hope, then we cut to him

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immediately having lost hope or lit red, you know, him 5 years

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later as the ship's about to be destroyed.

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And you sort of think, well, okay, that's why we have that and

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it's going to be about, you know, the contrast, but it keeps

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having a different effect each time it starts up again, that

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flashback.

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This is a beautiful shot.

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This bit here where it's falling, and then suddenly smack the

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asteroid.

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It's kind of like, how is it avoiding all those asteroids, you

380
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think, and then immediately it hits one.

381
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So good.

382
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But they they don't even, I don't think they try and make him like

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a powerful authority figure like they used to.

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In fact, in the 1st couple of seasons, it really felt as if they

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were pushing against that a lot, like making him a bit useless.

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And whilst his cruise assembling around him now, it's more like

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he's sort of the wise man now, isn't it?

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of the show.

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He's got all the knowledge, all the experience and they all love

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him.

391
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So they'll do anything for him.

392
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Exactly.

393
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I do think, you know, there's that moment where he seits in the

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captain's chair this episode and says engage with all wonderful

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warmth.

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And, you know, it's, it is pretty great.

397
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Does he say you've got more experience with this than me, Riker?

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wonderful.

399
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But, you know, the line's blurred between actor and character

400
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because everything I just said there, the wise man, and they love

401
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him so they'll do anything for him.

402
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That's Patrick Stewart as well.

403
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That's the reason why they all came back because they didn't have

404
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to do this.

405
00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:24.839
Oh yeah, also like the bridge crew of the Titan.

406
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So you've got this really pretty young Bajoran man, Lieutenant

407
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Mura, and you've got Tavine.

408
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Remember her?

409
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The Vulcan.

410
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I can't notice the doctor, Nathan, the trill doctor.

411
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Oh, the trill doctor.

412
00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:40.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

413
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She gets a lot of close-ups during sort of tense moments and I

414
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thought the actress was great.

415
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Yeah, she doesn't really say anything very much, but she has a

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name.

417
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But I think that, you know, Taveen is so great.

418
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And then this other one, she's Esma or something, the

419
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communications officer, like all of them are so-called, and Sydney

420
00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:04.500
is so beautiful and so perfect.

421
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.500
Like it's, you know, it's like having...

422
00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:08.160
Yeah, yeah.

423
00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:12.779
So it's like having Damara Sulu in Star Trek generations because

424
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you, you know, um, because he wouldn't do it.

425
00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:18.059
And so you've got Sydney there.

426
00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.180
And of course, Sydney was one of the names, there's 2 daughters.

427
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He has 2 daughters, Sidney and Alandra, which are the 2 names that

428
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he gives in all good things, and Alandra will turn up later, and

429
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is played by Lovin's daughter, like later in the season, which is

430
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just so tremendous. you know, at the end of the episode where she

431
00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:36.539
gets to play evil, was great.

432
00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.940
Yeah.

433
00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:41.519
That's well done too.

434
00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:47.039
And this, like, this is something of a reconciliation and and

435
00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.779
something happens here, right?

436
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:54.599
Because, because we get the usual sort of substory, the backstory

437
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about Thad being buried, like he tells the story about burying his

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son, and it, and he equates the space that they're in, the

439
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nothingness of the space that they're in.

440
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He equates that with the, with the darkness inside inside the

441
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grave, you know, as the, as the, uh, as the coffin is, is kind of

442
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lowered out of sight.

443
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And so he, he, he equates those two.

444
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And then by the end of the episode, this becomes a place where

445
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things are giving birth.

446
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.339
You know, it's...

447
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And he calls Deanna, doesn't he?

448
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And he says, I've had a moment here.

449
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And I've realised there's there's amazing things out there in the

450
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universe.

451
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It's awakens something inside of me again.

452
00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:43.259
It's really, and that's the sort of that, when we're talking about

453
00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:45.660
character work that didn't happen in the 90s.

454
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They just weren't thinking on that level.

455
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No.

456
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And in fact, I remember when it started because we had loved

457
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Nepenthe so much.

458
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And I think we, I mean, we had definitely recorded our Nepenthe

459
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episode before I saw episode one of series 3 of Picard.

460
00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:06.059
And like hearing that they had broken up and that he had left

461
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Kestra and Deanna, I just thought, oh, is everyone going to be

462
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having a bad time?

463
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You know, Raffi's taking drugs and blah, blah, blah.

464
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And I just sort of thought, this is so fucking miserable.

465
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But it's so that we get out of that.

466
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And that solved, I think, by the end of episode four.

467
00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:26.099
And the other thing that I think is good too.

468
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We have a B plot, which is Rafi, what Rafi's doing.

469
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She's not in this episode.

470
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So she gets it.

471
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.660
Yeah.

472
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Yeah, she is.

473
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She gets an open credit, but they abandon that B plot just to make

474
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this more relentless so that we don't get time away from this

475
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plot.

476
00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:45.299
And I think it's a really good idea.

477
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.660
Well, it feels more sort of claustrophobic as a result, isn't it?

478
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.660
Where trapped on the ship is going down where without hope.

479
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:53.279
Yeah, it's great.

480
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.920
I was just watching just because I can't hear the dialogue.

481
00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.920
I was just watching the acting there between Patrick Stewart and

482
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Jonathan Bryant.

483
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You can just feel the weight. of the years between the 2 actors

484
00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:06.420
and between the 2 characters.

485
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.000
And did you know his sort of Jonathan Brace is a bit slumped.

486
00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:11.759
His shoulders are a bit sagged, you know?

487
00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:15.480
Like, like the, it's really coming down on him now.

488
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:17.880
Oh, 7 of knives, fabulous.

489
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:21.480
So her subplot is her going around hunting down the changeling.

490
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.240
So she gets to do all that, all that sort of who can be trusted

491
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.339
stuff. it's wonderful.

492
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:29.160
She is so good.

493
00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:31.680
I mean, for goodness sake, of course you get her back.

494
00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:35.160
And so it ends up being perfect to have her as one of the next

495
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.799
generation crew basically by the end.

496
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.559
How she slots in is so effortless this season.

497
00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:44.279
Like, she, like, if you hadn't have told me otherwise, I would

498
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.319
have sworn she was a part of the next gen crew.

499
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.640
Yeah, back in the 90s.

500
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.259
Yeah.

501
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.200
Well, I mean, she was one of the best actors of the, I mean

502
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.920
they've got, you know, Kate Mulgrew back and they've got her back

503
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:57.900
and, you know, oh, there we go.

504
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.940
I mean, we have talked about 7 of 9 in Voyager and the injection

505
00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:03.420
of life.

506
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.980
She brought to it when she came along.

507
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.220
But we've also talked about how even that got a bit tired in the

508
00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:08.880
last couple of years.

509
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:12.240
They just weren't given her the opportunities they were when she

510
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:13.019
1st came into it.

511
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.599
I mean, she ever had some of the stuff she got here.

512
00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:18.660
She's so good in this, isn't she?

513
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:19.799
Well she's relaxed.

514
00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:23.759
She was never relaxed on boys because Kate Mullen was there with a

515
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:24.779
knife behind her back, you know?

516
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.359
But also it's a character development thing.

517
00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:29.640
Like she can't come back and be the same as she was.

518
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.880
Any more than like when data comes back, he's not quite the same

519
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.079
as he was either.

520
00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:37.980
Because it's 28 years or whatever, not 28 years because he's in

521
00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:39.539
the films until Nemesis.

522
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.799
But this.

523
00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:41.640
What about this?

524
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:46.859
This whole conversation between Riker and her gets into cut with

525
00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:51.119
what she does after that conversation, and the whole thing is told

526
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.799
out of order, but it doesn't matter, and this episode frequently

527
00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.900
does that, where dialogue in one scene informs, we've already cut

528
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:04.079
to the next scene, and it informs that scene, and we hear it over

529
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.319
it.

530
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:08.400
Here, we had Beverly say the word 7 as well, but she's actually

531
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:09.299
counting down.

532
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:12.059
She's not calling Seven's name and that was a sort of weird

533
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:12.299
thing.

534
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.960
Later on, she picks up the word 5 from someone else's dialogue, you

535
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.319
know?

536
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.480
I know what it means to me about, okay, it's been fun, because I

537
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.359
actually think she does some stunning work, yeah, like some gray

538
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.140
character work.

539
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.500
But I was just so lucky to see her holding a pad looking a bit

540
00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:25.740
lost.

541
00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:34.259
But do you notice that we've almost immediately in this in this

542
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:40.380
episode, we get one of those things that lights up the, like it's

543
00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:42.119
it's like even before we go into the credits.

544
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:46.019
We get one of those things hits the ship and the whole bridge

545
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:48.119
lights up and happens straight away.

546
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:52.500
And so the way that they solve the episode is already there right

547
00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:54.359
from the very 1st scene of the episode.

548
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:56.339
I just got to figure out the puzzle.

549
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.240
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.539
And of course, Beverly Crusher's there to do it.

551
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:01.140
Yeah.

552
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.960
What else has Jack Crusher been in?

553
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:07.859
I have seen him in other things.

554
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.180
Was he in Downton Abbey?

555
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.380
Oh, I don't know.

556
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.519
I never watched Downton Abbey.

557
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.700
I swear he's in a period drama of some kind of another.

558
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:15.960
Yes, Downton Abbey series two.

559
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.220
The wartime season.

560
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:23.700
So this is, I mean, this guy is absolutely incredible.

561
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.980
We saw him on Enterprise.

562
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.539
Remember, playing a Vulcan.

563
00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:35.160
Uh, and he is like, so there's a Todd Stashwick playing Captain

564
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:40.619
Liam Shaw, and he is such a great character, like such a brilliant

565
00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:41.460
character.

566
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.599
Well, he's sort of arrogant sort of point of annoying, but you

567
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.299
just can't hate him. where he's an asshole.

568
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:53.039
Like, he isn't, and in this scene, he is absolutely brilliant.

569
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:53.759
Do you know what I mean?

570
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:59.579
Like he, he absolutely helps her, helps her out and knows what

571
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:00.539
he's talking about.

572
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.140
He's useful.

573
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:02.279
He's captain for a reason.

574
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.539
That's a trick, though, isn't it?

575
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.339
He's an asshole that's more often than not right.

576
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.059
So in those early episodes where he's being really horrible to

577
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:13.500
Picard and now and severed and other people, and he swears there's

578
00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:15.420
a conspiracy going on between them, and there is.

579
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.440
There he is, you know?

580
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:18.539
He's he's often he's the anti-warf.

581
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:19.559
He's always right.

582
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:20.400
That's right.

583
00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.980
But it's kind of fun having someone, because part of the problem

584
00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:25.319
with Star Trek the Next Generation is everyone has such a great

585
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.140
big stick up their arse and no one talks normally.

586
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.519
They all talk like space people.

587
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:30.960
Not anymore, Nathan.

588
00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:33.720
We are not in this. sticks up and retires.

589
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:39.539
But, but I mean, Todd, Todd Stashwick's characters, even more kind

590
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:40.500
of informal.

591
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:46.380
He ends that big conversation where he gives seven, all of that

592
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:47.279
useful information.

593
00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:49.980
Oh, this is him recording that message to Deanna.

594
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:54.900
The only parallel I can think of is Jellicoe in TNG, a character

595
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:58.980
that was that honest to the point of pure arrogance.

596
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.319
And I quite like Jellicoe as well.

597
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:03.599
Yeah, yeah.

599
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.000
But you just didn't really have that.

600
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:10.079
You didn't have those sort of very confronting dialogue scenes. in

601
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.279
that straight like you do here.

602
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:15.000
And the bit in a 2nd, well, is sort of in the middle of the

603
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.119
episode where he comes in, it talks about 459.

604
00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:20.819
That's the strongest part of the episode, I think.

605
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.619
Possibly the strongest part of the season.

606
00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:27.539
It adds so much weight to something that we saw 25 years ago.

607
00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:28.440
Yeah.

608
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.160
And it is, you know, tragic sob story, the sort of thing that

609
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.160
we've constantly made fun of, the thing that they made fun of last

610
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.339
year, where without what I was watching.

611
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.559
But it's done so well.

612
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:47.460
I mean, it is just terribly well. sort of proof conclusive that

613
00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:48.480
you can actually do it.

614
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.980
Yeah.

615
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.940
Yeah, and we won't get some of it because it's the sound, like you

616
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:58.019
get quite a lot of sound from the battle as he's talking, and he's

617
00:28:58.019 --> 00:28:59.940
also describing it in quite poetic terms.

618
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:00.480
We'll get there.

619
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:01.079
We'll get there.

620
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:04.200
But it's just so interesting about that event in best of both

621
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.099
worlds that was big at the time, you know, when we found when they

622
00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:11.400
go through the graveyard of ships. you know, it was powerful at

623
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.220
the time, but then, you know, I think back to the beginning of

624
00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:16.680
emissary, where you actually see it played out from Cisco's point

625
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.279
of view, and then here, all these scenes, just giving that more

626
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:21.240
and more weight.

627
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:23.759
You go back and watch that episode now, it's going to have all

628
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.779
those layers added to it.

629
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.500
I love we had the conversation about why the holodeck's still

630
00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.299
running in this sort of giant crisis.

631
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.140
And it's because it has a separate...

632
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.099
Well, of course.

633
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.119
Yeah, of course.

634
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.960
Because we established in Voyager that they run on a separate

635
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:44.279
power system because we need to have Fairhaven and Dr. Chaotica.

636
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.460
There was that brilliant moment in spirit folk where it was like

637
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:48.359
Captain, are you sure?

638
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.980
We will lose Fairhaven.

639
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.059
She has a moment where it's like Fairhaven or the ship and she

640
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.720
goes, do it.

641
00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:00.299
And so this conversation we've had already.

642
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.279
The conversation about Picard's hair.

643
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:09.180
And it's in a very bad episode called bloodlines in the series 7

644
00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:13.920
and it's Jason Vigo, who thinks that he's, um, who's got massive

645
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.640
90s hair, um, much bigger than Jack Crusher's hair in this scene.

646
00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:20.279
Just look how handsome Jack Crusher is.

647
00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:22.559
I mean, honestly, it would be the 1st question I'd be, mind you

648
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:22.920
look at you.

649
00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:25.019
Oh man, that's it.

650
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.759
I think we're over it.

651
00:30:26.819 --> 00:30:28.799
Why aren't we over this in the 24th century?

652
00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:30.660
It's the 25th century, actually at this point?

653
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.220
I think.

654
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:32.519
Yeah.

655
00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.140
Yes.

656
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.880
Yeah, and this.

657
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:40.019
So this, why do we have a shot of him kind of twisting the the

658
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:40.980
straw.

659
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:45.900
And I think that watching this again, knowing how the episode

660
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.160
ends.

661
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:49.980
It becomes clear that he's acting.

662
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:55.740
He's pushing Picard away because of that interaction that happened

663
00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:56.640
5 years ago.

664
00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.599
And so he's breaking the straw at the moment just to show us that

665
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:05.400
he's anxious about this, despite the fact that he's playing it

666
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.299
nonchalant.

667
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:06.839
It's very good.

668
00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:13.140
And I like the awkwardness of Patrick Stewart as well, who really

669
00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:18.119
wants to reach out to this kid. he didn't know he existed, did

670
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.299
he?

671
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.339
He knew nothing about Jack Brusher at all.

672
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.740
So this is great.

673
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.980
So this is all a dialogue, all exposition about who the

674
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:30.539
changelings are in case you didn't know, and it's giving

675
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:33.000
information to 7 about them.

676
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.160
But it's also showing how competent he is as a commander.

677
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:42.480
And then this, this speech here where he gives this massive out of

678
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.319
character speech about how great 7 is and how she's a great leader

679
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.380
and will make a great captain one day, which is something I

680
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:51.839
totally would say if you were a change thing and not just a dick.

681
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:56.700
You know, and that's so, it's so good.

682
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.059
And that whole conversation happens.

683
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.700
He refers to the changing as this arsehole.

684
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.980
You know, like, and then she leaves the room. you know, with a

685
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:11.099
definite plan about how to catch the change thing, which actually

686
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:15.779
works, and he just says, whatever, as after the door's closed.

687
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.839
Like, he's so...

688
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:19.440
Yeah.

689
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:20.700
Yeah. wonderful.

690
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:27.000
And all this stuff about... too useful not to have around as he

691
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.279
proves in the climax when he gets to the cell working.

692
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:32.819
I love that when he gets to be the engineer again and he's like

693
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:34.259
he's clearly loving it, isn't it?

694
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.000
Is Odo, do you see Odo on the pad?

695
00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:38.640
Yeah, fabulous.

696
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:39.660
Fabulous.

697
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:40.680
Always.

698
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.380
I'd just bring it in the changings as well. was great.

699
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.180
What a lovely touch.

700
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:47.579
And we get backstory.

702
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.599
It is referred to, like, specific things that happen during Deep

703
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.819
Spaceline to Minion War are referred to, aren't they?

704
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.579
To explain it. in the 1st couple of episodes.

705
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:56.880
Yeah.

706
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:00.839
And I think, you know, I always will rate Salome Gens as the best

707
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.140
ever changing performers because, frankly, she's terrifying.

708
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.119
But Amanda Plummer.

709
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:07.559
I'll give her her props.

710
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.180
Oh, she's incredibly good.

711
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:10.380
We don't get that much about that.

712
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.640
Talk about an activist going for it.

713
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:13.140
She really goes for it.

714
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.160
She's so good.

715
00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:15.660
She's tremendous.

716
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.859
And I think she outdoes her father, who was also obviously a Star

717
00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:24.299
Trek villain as well. and one of the great Star Trek villains.

718
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:25.380
I think she's incredible.

719
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.539
Maybe the best Star Trek villain that we've had. unnervingly weird

720
00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:33.119
without ever going over the top.

721
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.380
And she has that oily kind of feel to her, you know, like her

722
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.240
hair's sort of oily. just a little bit.

723
00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:40.680
There's resigue.

724
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.180
So good.

725
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.579
I wanted that to be Odo's bucket.

726
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.799
It does look a bit like Odo's bucket.

727
00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:47.759
It really does.

728
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:49.559
But she sort of twitches, isn't she?

729
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. she smokes as well.

730
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.400
Like, that's sort of super weird.

731
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:55.500
Yeah.

732
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.140
I mean, look at her in that chair with that fabulous

733
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:58.920
backlighting.

734
00:33:58.980 --> 00:33:59.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

735
00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:02.400
And the way her hair is oiled.

736
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.039
Yeah, I mean, she's sort of sweaty.

737
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.760
She seems sort of a bit clammy and sweaty in a sort of horrible

738
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.059
way.

739
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.300
And then this, this is the 1st time we see this as well.

740
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.719
So this is us discovering that she's a changeling as well.

741
00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:22.739
So she cuts her hand off and it animates and, ugh, and the flesh

742
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:26.519
and we could never do this in the 90s, but it looks like raw

743
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.599
chicken meat.

744
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:29.159
Yeah, isn't it?

745
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.059
It's very unpleasant.

746
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.900
I handle raw chicken meat on a regular basis. doesn't it?

747
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.500
miserable.

748
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.599
It looks like raw chicken meat. really good.

749
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:42.239
I mean, I did think that some of the, when the people shape shift

750
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.800
later in the episode, and it's still better than the 90s, but it

751
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.280
was all right.

752
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:48.599
That's fantastic.

753
00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:49.860
Yeah, amazing.

754
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.559
I mean it looks like oil and water, doesn't it?

755
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:56.039
It's not explained how it can float, but like whatever.

756
00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:58.440
And why it's the shape of a skull.

757
00:34:58.500 --> 00:34:59.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

758
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.739
And I don't think we ever find out either, do we?

759
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:06.360
I mean, it is just she's being, she has changeling bosses and it's

760
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.559
the change of the ball.

761
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:11.519
Are they just pissed after being defeated at the end of the

762
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:12.239
Dominion more?

763
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:19.500
But she was experimented on in their effort to create the pathogen

764
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:27.239
that that was designed to poison the, so it is explicitly that.

765
00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:30.539
And we see a scene of Amanda Plummer playing a scientist who's

766
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:35.699
experimenting on, um, so just like Odo takes on, you know, what's

767
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:41.880
his face's hair and basic look, um, Vatic takes on that, that

768
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.199
scientist look as well.

769
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.219
You know how we said this, you know, this cherry biting in some of

770
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.960
the best of the 90s and doing it even better.

771
00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:52.679
I mean, this is, well, I think this one might be the 80s actually

772
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.380
but it's the sequence in the Matara Nebula in Star Trek 2 done

773
00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:00.420
over what, 3 episodes or something?

774
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.199
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:01.980
Yep.

776
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:02.460
Yep.

777
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:03.900
And so here we go.

778
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:08.579
We come back to this speech and now it's going to be about because

779
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:11.099
there's stuff about belonging here too, isn't there?

780
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.699
You know, um, it's about these raw young cats.

781
00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:15.599
That's so pretty.

782
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:23.940
But, so initially it's talking about him and the, that guy in

783
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:26.099
Dharmok becoming friends.

784
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:30.360
Now we get the Jack Crusher story, which will then come up again

785
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.079
later in this, in the conversation 5 years later.

786
00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:35.639
Yeah, yeah.

787
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:42.719
I just love how how they are literally the example of what he's

788
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.179
talking about later. you know, you are a crew, you will all find

789
00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:45.599
each other.

790
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:46.739
You all look after each other.

791
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.739
And you will all make your captain a better person.

792
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.699
Oh, good grief.

793
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.139
He's making me softish, you know.

794
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.219
And then you see it happen.

795
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.639
Yeah, well, when we come in in the present day and there's a group

796
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:01.019
of people coming in to kind of look after one another and, you

797
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:05.639
know, there's a Vulcan guy comforting this other guy and like, um

798
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.739
so they're there to do the same thing.

799
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.679
And then the other great role that they play is being the audience

800
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:17.460
to um, to Captain Shaw's speech, where it's really kind of, you

801
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:20.820
know, like it explains why he's an asshole, but he is definitely

802
00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:22.619
an asshole, nevertheless.

803
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.159
Um, and he gets to say something at the end of that, which is

804
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:26.519
pretty good.

805
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:29.400
There's several ways he could have played that scene as well, where

806
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:30.659
he talks about warfare, right?

807
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.760
He could have been a lot angrier, a lot shoutier.

808
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:36.179
But just the fact that he just keeps it down makes it very intense

809
00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:40.079
and he's just, he's, he's crying on cue, but out of the right.

810
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:40.920
It's so great.

811
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:46.380
So it's more powerful than actually seeing it for real in the best

812
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:46.980
of both worlds.

813
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:47.639
Yeah.

814
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.780
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

815
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.940
Yeah, it's like a messenger speech. you know what I mean?

816
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.059
You just give a good actor a thing like that. and they can make it

817
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:55.800
out. in the doomsday machine, isn't it?

818
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:56.340
Yeah, yeah.

819
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:56.699
Yeah.

820
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.239
Yeah.

821
00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:01.980
And you would think, you would think these long character scenes

822
00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:05.340
in the middle of this, you know, very exciting situation that

823
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:05.880
we're in.

824
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:08.039
It would just kill the pace, wouldn't you?

825
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:11.039
But actually, because that's what this whole episode is about.

826
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.920
It is a series of scenes like this.

827
00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.139
I don't know, it just doesn't chart.

828
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:17.219
Do you know what I mean?

829
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.980
They've got 4 hours where Rikah comes down and says, we think

830
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:21.599
we'll be crushed in 4 hours.

831
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:23.280
Do you want to speak to your son?

832
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.059
Or else doesn't usually play out in real time.

833
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:27.659
No, no, no.

834
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.079
No.

835
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:33.539
There's a really pretty Orion guy in Sick Bay that we only get

836
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:34.380
glimpses of.

837
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.179
Oh, this seems great.

838
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.139
This is so good.

839
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:41.099
There's a really pretty X-Borg whose hair was bouncing fabulously

840
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:43.079
as she stormed along that corridor.

841
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:44.039
Look at the arm.

842
00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:47.639
Look at the arm on the on the changeling guy.

843
00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:51.780
See, this is playing out. beat for beat, like scenes in DS9 is the

844
00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:52.260
adversary.

845
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.059
Do you remember when they changed things on the defiant?

846
00:38:54.059 --> 00:38:55.980
and they're hunting them down through the corridors.

847
00:38:56.699 --> 00:39:00.119
It's like a duvet made out of chicken meat.

848
00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:04.320
There he is.

849
00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:07.380
Looks a bit like a halter, you know.

850
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:12.659
Oh, there's our trail, doctor.

852
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.039
Yeah, I'm beginning to suspect that some of the Orion characters

853
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.719
are made green in post-production.

854
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:22.860
Um, because it's cheaper and easier.

855
00:39:23.579 --> 00:39:26.519
Just for the look of, there's some makeup on their faces.

856
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:27.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:29.940
Yeah, Doctor Who did that once, remember?

858
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.719
turning people green in post so that they didn't have to turn them

859
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.820
green in the makeup chair.

860
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.099
I love this line.

861
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.980
I know my mother didn't hate you, but naming me after her 1st

862
00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:41.699
husband.

863
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.559
I always thought that was very old.

864
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.059
Well, I love how this is told.

865
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.280
This is so well told.

866
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.019
Picard undercutsap.

867
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:52.920
Brilliant, doesn't he?

868
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:54.659
By saying, well, I would have chosen that name as well.

869
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:55.980
He was my best friend.

870
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:57.179
Sorry, God.

871
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.780
Well, because he's telling that story to the cadets, but now he's

872
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:02.760
telling it more realistically.

873
00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:06.599
And why do you think Jack asks him that question?

874
00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:11.820
Is it because he was there overhearing him tell that story?

875
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.760
Because he's the one who says what's the worst scrape you've ever

876
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.480
been in?

877
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.880
And he was in the background of that scene.

878
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:20.159
So is he trying to elicit that?

879
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:23.519
And this stuff where, where, you know, he says, oh, you were

880
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:24.239
trying to get laid.

881
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.239
And he says, yes, they were enthusiastic, they'd invited us.

882
00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:29.400
You know, like all of that stuff is really funny and human.

883
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.539
I'll say an eight-year-old man saying those lines, though.

884
00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:37.800
I'm wondering if maybe because he was playing to the crowd, telling

885
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.619
the story earlier, maybe he was playing to the crowd when he was

886
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:41.519
talking about family.

887
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:45.780
So if he gets a more realistic answer about this now, then maybe

888
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:48.119
he wasn't actually telling the truth back then.

889
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:52.079
Because by this point, has he already said that he doesn't want

890
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.679
this and Picard says, no, no, I think it's because I want it.

891
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:56.519
Do you know what I mean?

892
00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:58.559
Like, yeah, that was only this.

893
00:40:58.619 --> 00:40:59.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

894
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:00.179
I do.

895
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.280
And so he's telling this story, he is going to say, fuck, there we

896
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.380
go. 10 fucking gruelling hours.

897
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:08.219
Good for him.

898
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.860
Um, and of course, all of that plays into the solution as well.

899
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.440
You know, with firing docking thrusters where, um, uh, you know

900
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:20.880
flying blind.

901
00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:24.780
We've got Jack Crusher actually calling out the coordinates of the

902
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:28.860
asteroids and him, you know, avoiding it and the 2 of them

903
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:33.119
actually re- reenact that scene together on the Bridge of the

904
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.739
Titan later on in the episode.

905
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.059
He is Todd.

906
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.860
You know what this means don't you?

907
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.219
Now we've had one decently told backstory.

908
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.980
We're going to get 10 terrible ones as a result.

909
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.260
Yeah, except that we don't.

910
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:47.699
Look we get this.

911
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.840
Oh, God.

912
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:50.820
I just want to watch him act in this thing.

913
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.659
He's so good.

914
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:56.460
It's our masterclass in not doing too much. and having a massive

915
00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:56.880
impact.

916
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:02.940
And Picard's reaction to it, I think, is very good too.

917
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:09.960
Because remember that he doesn't he doesn't pull any shit on Ben

918
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.320
when Ben Sisco confronts him about it.

919
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:15.179
You look at Patrick Stewart.

920
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:16.380
It's exactly the same face.

921
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.159
Yeah.

922
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.659
That sort of shame. this is a fair call.

923
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:27.960
It's kind of like when when Jack tells him off and said the grease

924
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.699
monkey line, which will come in later.

925
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.260
When Jack tells him off, he just says, no, no, no, like I accept

926
00:42:34.260 --> 00:42:36.659
this, and then he sort of walks off.

927
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.219
As if he doesn't deserve it.

928
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:39.659
It's so cold as well, though.

929
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:40.559
It's so cod.

930
00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:42.780
The idea that there were 50 people.

931
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:45.300
There's a 10 man shuttle pod left.

932
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.079
It's so shit.

933
00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:46.920
It should be terrible.

934
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:48.239
And it's not.

935
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:49.139
It's so powerful.

936
00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.860
It's really well done by him, but I also think the voice, like we

937
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.239
get the sound of the battle as well.

938
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:59.099
Just like not very loud or anything, but I think that that works.

939
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.699
And I do think the dialogue is good, you know, as if space was on

940
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:05.519
fire, they were all my Jack Crusher, all of that.

941
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:09.119
The reaction shots are great as well because you cut to Jack, whose

942
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.039
face is basically, why am I being told this?

943
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:14.219
Because he doesn't know at this point that Picard was part of

944
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:14.519
this.

945
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:15.300
Yeah, yeah.

946
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:15.960
Yeah.

947
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.860
Yeah, he looks he just looks lost.

948
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.239
Yeah.

949
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:25.619
Yeah, it's a cry and shame, you know, that they only found him in

950
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:26.099
three.

951
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.599
I would love to have seen more of him.

952
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:29.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

953
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:35.340
Well, you know, uh, Lieutenant Shacks came back from the dead, uh

954
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:39.360
so I just think we get uh, Liam Shaw back from the dead somehow

955
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.880
and get him into Star Trek legacy.

956
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:47.099
The other character, similar to this where I really felt as if

957
00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:50.280
they were onto something, was the lawker in series one of

958
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:50.820
Discovery.

959
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.800
And they cut that short as well.

960
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:54.179
God damn it, you know.

961
00:43:54.659 --> 00:43:55.260
He was great.

962
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.099
He was really good.

963
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.900
In fact, I'd like to see them go head to head naked, preferably.

964
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:05.340
I mean, sure, look at it. a beautiful man.

965
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.219
He's and he looks better.

966
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.860
He looks better now than he did in that Enterprise episode, I have

967
00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:11.159
to say.

968
00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:15.059
What's mad is he's effectively telling us stuff we already know.

969
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.960
Stuff that we've seen the aftermoth of. something we've seen in

970
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.559
emissary.

971
00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:23.760
But look at that shot of him looking and remembering that himself

972
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.699
like making him remember it.

973
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.960
Like it works.

974
00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:29.159
Oh, this line.

975
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:33.059
Forget about all that weird shit on the Stargazer, the real Borga

976
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:33.599
still out there.

977
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.960
And one of the things that annoyed me was that I missed that line

978
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.159
the 1st time through.

979
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:42.119
And so I was wondering, so what about Picard season two?

980
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:45.300
Everyone says we haven't heard from the Borg for 10 years, but

981
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:48.480
didn't we hear from them last year in season 2?

982
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.480
And so we just get a line of dialogue dismissing them as not the

983
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:52.320
real Borg.

984
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:54.420
They're the Agnes Borg.

985
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.539
Oh, you love how he weaponizes old man.

986
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.579
Where was your old man over there?

987
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.159
Because that's a familial term and they're not familiar at all.

988
00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:03.840
Guys, great.

989
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:07.920
It's such great dialogue And we don't say this about the next

990
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:08.400
show.

991
00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:09.900
Look at that.

992
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.239
He just gets up and says, I understand, and then and Shaw calls

993
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:16.500
for the arch, doesn't he?

994
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.739
Like, it's anyway, it's really very good.

995
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.320
That's a great scene.

996
00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:24.420
It's not like a lynch scene of the season.

997
00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:26.460
I think it's great But this is funny.

998
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:30.599
Like now he kind of realises that all of them are looking at him

999
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:31.440
in horror.

1000
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:34.440
What an absolute fucking asshole he is.

1001
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.239
Wes, what's the line he says about, I couldn't believe I got

1002
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.860
chosen just, I'm just, uh, dipshit from Chicago. and so, and then

1003
00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:49.800
Picard uses it later when he goes through his quarters.

1004
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:51.300
I'm so sorry.

1005
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.079
It must be the last person that, I must be the last person you

1006
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.199
want to see, even if you are a dip shit from Chicago.

1007
00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:58.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1008
00:45:58.920 --> 00:45:59.639
I'm coming in.

1009
00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:02.159
So funny.

1010
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.139
Yeah, so funny.

1011
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.380
And the way that he breaks that whole thing.

1012
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:08.820
Oh, here we go.

1013
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.239
Here we go.

1014
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:11.880
He's Beverly coming to solve the problem It's building a building

1015
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.099
to a crescendo, Jean-Luc.

1016
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.360
Ringing matter, expelling energy.

1017
00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:20.039
So we could be back in next gen now.

1018
00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:21.840
Reconstituting the matter.

1019
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:24.119
Consuming the energy?

1020
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.039
That's reasonably straight.

1021
00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:29.699
I like this dialogue because it is just it's turning matter into

1022
00:46:29.699 --> 00:46:33.059
energy, but it's not doing it in the way we expect something else

1023
00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:33.900
is going on.

1024
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:39.780
Like, it's reasonably simple and then she just does her, it's like

1025
00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.860
contraction.

1026
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.340
I was so baffled in the early scenes where she was there, counted

1027
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:45.000
down.

1028
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:45.960
What is she doing?

1029
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:51.119
And how this ties into her job, her role in the next generation. is

1030
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.019
just inspired.

1031
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:52.679
It's great.

1032
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:56.340
And she's interested in metaphasic energy, as we know, from

1033
00:46:56.340 --> 00:47:02.159
various things, not sub-rosa, but, oh, yeah, no, I was thinking of

1034
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.719
suspicions.

1035
00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:07.920
Of course I was.

1036
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:16.260
Two absolute suspicions and maybe, oh, anyway, that...

1037
00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:19.559
The sad truth is, Nathan, you know, or rather the happy truth is

1038
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.559
because we are doing these fabulously sustained long seasons, you

1039
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.860
know, one story, is we've got no place at all for subrosa and

1040
00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:26.639
suspicions anymore.

1041
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:27.599
No, yeah, that's right.

1042
00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:28.260
That's right.

1043
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.659
What, what a pity.

1044
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.719
But but what I do like is that it ends in a very sort of high camp

1045
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.039
high comedy Star Trek way.

1046
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:41.639
He just said, Bob's your uncle, funny, your eyes.

1047
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:42.420
That is your aunt.

1048
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.119
English people say that all the time. don't they?

1049
00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:45.900
No, no, no.

1050
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.440
That is, I'm like, oh, hair fairy, fairly often at work, yeah.

1051
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:50.280
It's really good.

1052
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:52.619
We've got some very old sayings over it.

1053
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.800
And he also says space babies as well, literally.

1054
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.739
My God, they just referenced the counter of PowerPoint.

1055
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:48:01.019 --> 00:48:02.699
Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

1057
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.320
And that is what it is.

1058
00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:06.300
That's embracing Star Trek.

1059
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.099
And because this is the important scene.

1060
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:11.039
They have to win him over and how do they do it, they win him over

1061
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:14.280
by saying the thing that Picard himself has been saying to the

1062
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:18.719
cadets in the flashback, and Beverly just saying, why don't we do

1063
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.400
what we've just always done?

1064
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:23.940
Which is we just do the thing in order to get out of the problem?

1065
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.019
We don't just sit here.

1066
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.539
We be the crew of the enterprise and and, you know, get out of

1067
00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:31.079
this problem.

1068
00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:31.619
It's great.

1069
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.500
It's so good Remember, I said to you, there was so much visual

1070
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:36.659
shorthand of the next generation in this episode.

1071
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:41.219
Just being around this conference table with that computer bank on

1072
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:41.699
the wall there.

1073
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.440
I'm just immediately taken.

1074
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:44.760
It's the next chin.

1075
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.639
This is what we wanted though, right?

1076
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.519
This is what we wanted when Picard started.

1077
00:48:50.579 --> 00:48:54.659
Yeah, but I am not sorry that they didn't go there straight away

1078
00:48:54.659 --> 00:48:58.800
because I think we would have got one season and then we wouldn't

1079
00:48:58.800 --> 00:48:59.940
have done anything else.

1080
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.920
And I...

1081
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:03.599
It was ambitious, I think.

1082
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:06.960
I don't think it was entirely successful, but it was ambitious.

1083
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.300
I think 2 is more successful than one.

1084
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:13.440
But neither of them are hugely successful.

1085
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.639
I like to quite a lot.

1086
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.260
I think 2 has interesting.

1087
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.059
I really like this to say. climax to one.

1088
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.739
I thought the last episode one was great.

1089
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.579
Yeah.

1090
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.320
Yeah, there's all sorts of good stuff in both.

1091
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:24.239
I would have been sorry to miss them.

1092
00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:29.880
And they did give Deanna and Riker some important backstory that's

1093
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.900
played into 3 here.

1094
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.800
In a way, this is the more obvious approach, isn't there?

1095
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:37.320
But look at the reaction again.

1096
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:42.000
You know, like this this season has been, you know, given all the

1097
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.559
awards, all the accolades.

1098
00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:43.920
Yeah.

1099
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.739
But I don't think I think when the...

1100
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:48.539
I don't think we would have got this.

1101
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.380
Well, that's the weird thing because I read the passage, the

1102
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.300
pertinent passages in Patrick Stewart's.

1103
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.380
Sorry, that's a lot of alliteration in his autobiography, where he

1104
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:01.860
explicitly states it was his choice not to do this.

1105
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.079
He didn't want the next gen crew in.

1106
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.500
He said he'd come back to Star Trek if he had his a new crew and

1107
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:08.940
they were doing something completely different.

1108
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.059
And then he says in the next paragraph, I was wrong.

1109
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:13.800
Of course I was.

1110
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.719
We tried it.

1111
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:17.099
We did some interesting things.

1112
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:19.619
We, you know, built a solid cast.

1113
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.639
But in the end of the day, this is kind of what it's all about.

1114
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:23.940
Yeah.

1115
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:24.719
Yeah, yeah.

1116
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.119
Gosh, these shots look beautiful too, from the outside, don't

1117
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:30.300
they?

1118
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.239
They sort of, as if there's moisture on the land.

1119
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:34.079
Well, the Fiji now.

1120
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:37.199
All of CG in Kersman track is gorgeous.

1121
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:41.940
There's the scene where they're flying back up. away from the

1122
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:46.980
gravity well through the asteroid belt and it's lit in this sort

1123
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:51.480
of really weird, like as if it's being practically lit from in

1124
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:52.139
front of them.

1125
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:53.940
It just looks so real.

1126
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.199
It looks so good.

1127
00:50:55.619 --> 00:51:01.199
So in the adversary, um, in the very tense climax after Cisco's

1128
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:05.039
set the self-destruct, there's a sequence with uh, 2 Odos, where

1129
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.500
they have to try and decide which one is the change of evil

1130
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:09.960
changing Odo, and that's exactly what we do here.

1131
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:14.400
We've got a big tense climax, and then we have, um, What's her

1132
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:14.639
name?

1133
00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:16.079
Young La Forge.

1134
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:17.400
Sydney La Forge, come in.

1135
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:19.079
Is she who she says she is?

1136
00:51:19.139 --> 00:51:20.280
is a wonderful scene.

1137
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.500
I love that shot.

1138
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.400
What is Liam Shaw thinking when she when he hears this speech from

1139
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:27.840
Riker?

1140
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:29.460
Because this is a good speech.

1141
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:35.519
And this is Riker saying the things that Picard said, you know, I'm

1142
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.599
only as good as the rest of you, if we hang together, I know that

1143
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:40.559
we'll get through this.

1144
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.940
Look at his reaction, seek the guard.

1145
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.019
I need your help, despite the fact that you're indeed.

1146
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.460
I get shit from Chicago.

1147
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.139
But look at it.

1148
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:53.099
Nice.

1149
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.659
Is this response?

1150
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.099
That's sort of cutting wit.

1151
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.079
That wasn't there in the night, is I?

1152
00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:02.159
I love that.

1153
00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:03.480
That's a great addition to this.

1154
00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:04.559
Yeah, I agree.

1155
00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:05.579
I agree.

1156
00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:09.840
You see, I'll see his eyes light up when he starts talking

1157
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:10.739
Tetlerabble now.

1158
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.760
Yep, yep.

1159
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:14.880
And it's that thing about these kids that we'll play in later.

1160
00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:18.300
Do you remember that it's the kids who have been affected by the

1161
00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:22.260
plot and so there comes a time where all of the attractive young

1162
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:26.099
people on the ship turn against these old people that have been

1163
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:28.980
wandering around the ship, which is kind of a bit great.

1164
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.300
So good.

1165
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:37.139
I think they chose the actor who played Jack Rusher well as well

1166
00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:39.599
because I really believe him and Gates McFadden together, just

1167
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.639
like I did with Will Wheaton and Gaze McFadden.

1168
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:42.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1169
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:45.420
In fact, it's odd because Will Wheaton doesn't appear in this

1170
00:52:45.420 --> 00:52:45.960
season, does he?

1171
00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:49.079
No, I think we did get to say goodbye to him at the end of series

1172
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:50.099
2 of Picard.

1173
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.920
It was very memorable.

1174
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:53.639
Yeah, yeah.

1175
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:54.000
Yeah.

1176
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.860
Just turn up in your own clothes.

1177
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.460
Will, it's fine.

1178
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.880
So this is the moment where they realise they're vulnerable to a

1179
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:03.119
changeling coming along and trying to fuck them over and that's

1180
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.260
what they're talking about now.

1181
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:11.460
And so she, she, you know, hits the thing, goes Commander Hansen

1182
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:15.059
to Captain Riker, and then we don't hear that conversation.

1183
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.840
We cut to just after that conversation's happened.

1184
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:19.980
We never hear it, right?

1185
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:25.440
Um, and so we know that they've planned something or that they've

1186
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:26.699
got some deal happening.

1187
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.699
But, um, we don't know what it is.

1188
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:30.719
And I think that's cool.

1189
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:32.760
I think that's sort of again, clever.

1190
00:53:32.820 --> 00:53:33.420
And there.

1191
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:37.980
Sorry to interrupt, that, that, that, who doesn't get a word, who

1192
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:39.840
got everyone out of that room, shut the door, and the camera

1193
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.099
lingers on it for a second.

1194
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.260
I don't know, it's freaks directing this one.

1195
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.360
It's someone who's very aware of the actors.

1196
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.659
Yeah, I don't know whether Frakes does direct any of this.

1197
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:50.039
I don't know who directed this actually.

1198
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:56.460
Actually, I doubt he directed this one because he's in it.

1199
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.119
Yeah.

1200
00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:59.699
Remember the offspring when he just got tossed across Tim

1201
00:53:59.699 --> 00:54:00.119
forward.

1202
00:54:00.179 --> 00:54:03.360
Well, he comes in, does his comedy kind of thing and then rushes

1203
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:03.840
out again.

1204
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:05.760
I think he could direct himself.

1205
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:06.840
He's so good though.

1206
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.539
But I mean, I mean, look at...

1207
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:10.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1208
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:14.579
But he also keeps up with this sort of direction and this sort of

1209
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.940
look where it's told a bit more complexly and where the camera

1210
00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:19.679
moves around a little bit more.

1211
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.019
Sometimes too much.

1212
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:22.739
Maybe.

1213
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.800
But he's absolutely responsible for that.

1214
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:31.619
Yeah, he, he, it's, say, busy direction of Jonathan Gray.

1215
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:37.679
It's that moment where he and he says Ensign La Forge, you know

1216
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.659
like he would have in season one.

1217
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:40.500
It's so good.

1218
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:41.639
So great.

1219
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:44.159
Rikus where he should be on the bridge, you know?

1220
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.159
The cameras is where the view screen is.

1221
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:49.079
So we're looking at them in the right direction.

1222
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:50.639
Perfect.

1223
00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:53.940
And but then he does it with this warmth, you know, good luck

1224
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:54.239
everyone.

1225
00:54:54.300 --> 00:54:57.179
He's smiles, cage.

1226
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:02.039
It's absolutely the moment. directed by Jonathan Freight.

1227
00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:02.760
Ah, really?

1228
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:03.360
Bless him.

1229
00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:05.099
He does such an incredible job.

1230
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.280
Well, he's still doing incredible work because I'm not.

1231
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.380
I do think this is the best episode of the season.

1232
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.000
Bravo, Jonathan Brakes.

1233
00:55:12.059 --> 00:55:12.960
Look at this.

1234
00:55:13.019 --> 00:55:17.280
Look at all of those asteroids lit from below and just how it

1235
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:18.539
feels vertiginous.

1236
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.079
You know, it feels like they're moving up a long distance away

1237
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:22.800
from things.

1238
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:26.760
You know, space is so flat in the 90s, but they manage to make

1239
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:30.239
this, like the sense that they're sinking and then the sense

1240
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.739
they're rising up out of something.

1241
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:35.760
It's that weird sort of vertiginous camera work they learn from

1242
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.159
Battlestar Galactica where you go around the ship in all different

1243
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:38.699
angles.

1244
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.239
But that was also being lit up by lightning flashes, which gave it

1245
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:43.320
extra drama as well.

1246
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:44.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1247
00:55:44.219 --> 00:55:46.980
And you have you have the asteroids to give it some scale, I

1248
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:47.159
think.

1249
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:55.320
So what that conversation was, we discover was her telling Riker.

1250
00:55:55.380 --> 00:55:56.280
No, no, no.

1251
00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:00.059
That conversation that we didn't hear was her telling Riker that

1252
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:02.219
don't send anyone.

1253
00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:04.199
Don't send anyone to help us.

1254
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:04.739
What?

1255
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.000
I don't mean to laugh.

1256
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:09.000
They've still got the fibre optics. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1257
00:56:09.059 --> 00:56:10.320
Oh, no, it's absolutely great.

1258
00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:13.500
He's holding his thing in his mouth. like wise.

1259
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.280
It's the same wise that boy, I'm like, I have not changed at all.

1260
00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:18.119
That's right.

1261
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.420
In fact, it looks like those fibre optics in the naked now, but

1262
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:22.920
you start pulling out.

1263
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:23.519
Yeah, yeah.

1264
00:56:23.579 --> 00:56:27.960
Do you remember Boimler covered in them in those old scientists?

1265
00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:31.079
Sorry, you were trying to make a very serious point.

1266
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.719
No, I'm just saying that like now we discover what that

1267
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:34.800
conversation was.

1268
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:39.179
The conversation was don't send Sydney forged down here to help us

1269
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:39.420
out.

1270
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:45.300
And so they know already that she's a changeling and we don't know

1271
00:56:45.300 --> 00:56:46.139
they know.

1272
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:47.460
Like, that's why...

1273
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.860
Which plays it with just enough edge, the actress, doesn't she?

1274
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.440
You kind of know, even though she's still in character.

1275
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:55.260
But she says all of the famous things that people know about

1276
00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:58.139
Sidney La Forge, you know, it's like my father was Geordie La

1277
00:56:58.139 --> 00:56:58.500
Forge.

1278
00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.639
He's a Starfleet legend.

1279
00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:00.539
You're going to want my help.

1280
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.019
You know, like the changeling has access to just the things that

1281
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:05.460
everyone knows about her.

1282
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.219
Yes, the nickname that she gave to 7 of nine.

1283
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.980
Yeah, yeah, which is, and we have heard her use that before.

1284
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:17.519
Yeah, they made sure they included it in the previously on. yeah

1285
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:18.420
that's a bit rough.

1286
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.500
Yeah.

1287
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.500
Like, it's in the previously on, is her calling her Commander 7.

1288
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.760
I never thought the technology of 90s trek could get me so

1289
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:27.599
excited.

1290
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.099
This is really funny.

1291
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:33.239
She says she always calls me Commander 7 out of respect.

1292
00:57:34.019 --> 00:57:39.659
So she gets to make the point to him and he says, yeah, good

1293
00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:40.079
call.

1294
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.159
It's always so fractured.

1295
00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:45.480
They don't give each other anch, do they?

1296
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:46.380
No, no.

1297
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.679
And yet, look, they work together so brilliantly. really good.

1298
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:52.139
Yeah, because he's not saying that in the cell come to life.

1299
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:53.400
That's great, isn't it?

1300
00:57:56.460 --> 00:57:58.739
Multiple instructions, dead ahead.

1301
00:57:58.800 --> 00:57:59.579
Oh my word.

1302
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.159
Yeah, doesn't it look so good?

1303
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.920
And so we reenact that scene.

1304
00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:06.000
So brilliant.

1305
00:58:06.059 --> 00:58:07.500
I'm...

1306
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:09.059
Do you know what?

1307
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.500
I think I've got a thing for, you know, magical special effects

1308
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:13.980
and things.

1309
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.340
So this bit in a minute where all these creatures emerge and the

1310
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:20.039
chorus comes in and it's all very grand.

1311
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:21.780
It's really...

1312
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:22.980
I was quite moved.

1313
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:27.780
I've got the technology now to make it as magical as it as it

1314
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:28.139
needs to be.

1315
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:32.039
I mean, you think back to encounter a foul point, you had those 2

1316
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:33.239
jellyfish hanging in space.

1317
00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:34.380
Yeah, yeah.

1318
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.280
I mean, I think these jellyfish look adorable and hilarious.

1319
00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:39.840
And I think that they're meant to.

1320
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.900
Like, I think they are meant to be sort of a little bit ridiculous

1321
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:48.360
because it's sort of gone grim dark Star Trek, which Star Trek

1322
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:52.860
Picard has been, you know, a fair amount, being rescued by real

1323
00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:54.659
Star Trek by...

1324
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:55.199
Which is great.

1325
00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:57.900
They did the same thing in the end of series one with all those

1326
00:58:57.900 --> 00:58:59.219
fabulous flowers in space.

1327
00:58:59.280 --> 00:58:59.940
Do you remember?

1328
00:59:00.179 --> 00:59:01.679
So good.

1329
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:03.480
It's lovely to have a touch of that.

1330
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:05.039
Touch of the magic.

1331
00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:06.119
Yeah, exactly.

1332
00:59:06.179 --> 00:59:10.260
Although it's a bit much when somebody says, you know, to seek out

1333
00:59:10.260 --> 00:59:10.860
new life.

1334
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.760
I swear it's Beverly Crusher.

1335
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:18.179
It is Beverly, and then and then Riker undercuts it by saying we

1336
00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:21.179
should boldly get the hell out of here, which is fine.

1337
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:23.760
No, what you should have said was, we get the fucking point back

1338
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.119
right?

1339
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:26.159
But that's it.

1340
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:29.400
I think I think any cynicism at that point would have been

1341
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:30.000
misplaced.

1342
00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:35.579
This is just straightforwardly we love Star Trek and this is what

1343
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:39.719
Star Trek's about. and she's fangirling about Star Trek in that

1344
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:39.900
line.

1345
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.239
Even this, this situation where something old and biological is

1346
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.659
going on, but presents itself as a dangerous situation until they

1347
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.320
figure it out.

1348
00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:53.639
Like that is like illosium that is like preemptive strike in

1349
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:54.719
series 7.

1350
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:55.619
No, Priest is right.

1351
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:57.599
The one with the magical brick on the holodeck.

1352
00:59:57.659 --> 00:59:59.579
Where's the life form that's growing on the ship?

1353
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.480
Yeah, yeah, like Verdeform City, um, emergence.

1354
01:00:03.539 --> 01:00:03.840
Yeah.

1355
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:04.440
That's it.

1356
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.500
So really, nothing in this episode.

1357
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:08.940
It's stuff we haven't seen before.

1358
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.820
It's just repackaged in such a confident way.

1359
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.679
But even FarPoint is that where we discover that there's, it's

1360
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:22.079
like 2 jellyfish, 2 space jellyfish in love, you know, like.

1361
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:28.079
The violins play us, the 2 tendrils come together, inspector.

1362
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.480
Ronby is so horny.

1363
01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:34.139
I bet Ronda is watching that with a tear and it's like, oh, God.

1364
01:00:34.139 --> 01:00:35.880
They're going to fuck.

1365
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:38.760
You're right, though.

1366
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:40.079
It is a lovely collision here.

1367
01:00:40.139 --> 01:00:40.739
Yeah.

1368
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:43.920
The gun and the frock of Star Trek.

1369
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:48.300
Yeah, exactly. exactly right And we win by being Star Trek.

1370
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.400
I love how they all breathe out.

1371
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:54.900
Like they all breathe out because we've had the, uh, we've had the

1372
01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:57.960
um, life support off just for the last few minutes.

1373
01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:02.219
Couldn't they just have, could they have opened an airlock just

1374
01:01:02.219 --> 01:01:04.440
once so we could see everyone bracing against the console?

1375
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:08.639
No, because I mean, so they, it was like they were 92% there and

1376
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.579
they just had to turn the thing off so that they could absolutely

1377
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:14.940
make sure they caught the wave and now they've caught the wave.

1378
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.380
They're just killing it.

1379
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:21.000
I love where Picard says, gun it to, um, to Ensel La Forge.

1380
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:21.780
So good.

1381
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.619
It just feels like distilled Star Trek.

1382
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:26.880
Yeah, absolutely.

1383
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:28.679
Isn't Tavine great?

1384
01:01:28.739 --> 01:01:33.059
So she's she's Vulcan, but apparently she's got a Delton

1385
01:01:33.059 --> 01:01:35.579
grandmother, which is why she has no hair.

1386
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.659
So she's the same race as Ailea from Star Trek, the motionless

1387
01:01:39.659 --> 01:01:40.019
picture.

1388
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:44.820
But like beyond beyond the plot points that we've talked about

1389
01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:46.260
things like that that reminds us of the past.

1390
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.079
There's Dominion from DS9, you've got 7 and 9 from Voyager.

1391
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:52.739
And then right at the heart of it is the TNG crew because they are

1392
01:01:52.739 --> 01:01:54.000
90s trek, really.

1393
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:56.099
As far as the public is concerned.

1394
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:57.420
Look at this.

1395
01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.079
This is so good.

1396
01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:00.179
She's giving such a great speech too.

1397
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:05.579
Open your jaws wide enough and eventually, yeah, they've they work

1398
01:02:05.579 --> 01:02:09.119
into walk into the mouth of the beast and then he just flings that

1399
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.599
asteroid.

1400
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:21.179
So, you know that like she has no crew because we don't have to

1401
01:02:21.179 --> 01:02:24.960
pay for her to have a crew. until a bit later.

1402
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:27.239
And so...

1403
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:28.079
She's good enough.

1404
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.260
But they hear they speak and I thought that they must have been

1405
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:32.519
the people from...

1406
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:37.019
Uh, I want to say schisms.

1407
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:38.159
Is it schisms?

1408
01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:42.059
What's the one where they're being kidnapped in the night and?

1409
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:43.619
Oh, they're like weird insect or whatever?

1410
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.460
And they make that sort of clicking mouth noises and clicks.

1411
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1412
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:49.320
Like these guys do.

1413
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.460
Sorry, can we just have a 2nd please?

1414
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.659
Again, the William Riker, who just threw an enormous rock out of

1415
01:02:57.659 --> 01:02:58.619
Dominion ship.

1416
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.820
I thought that that was slightly spoiled by the fact that someone

1417
01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:04.500
said you threw a rock at the ship.

1418
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:06.300
It was kind of like, yeah, we did see that.

1419
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:07.619
Okay, the special effects.

1420
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.739
Excuse me, you thought that was a bit much, but not to seek out

1421
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:12.000
new life.

1422
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.599
Oh, no, no, no, because like I said, you can't be cynical at this

1423
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:15.840
moment.

1424
01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:18.059
This is the moment of magic.

1425
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.800
I feel as if...

1426
01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:21.659
Disney's taking over Star Trek.

1427
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.780
They've got big googly eyes and they blink.

1428
01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:26.159
They're adorable.

1429
01:03:26.219 --> 01:03:27.000
They're so cute.

1430
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:32.880
Like, like you, this, this should always be a part of Star Trek.

1431
01:03:32.940 --> 01:03:35.519
This the sort of the silly and the fun.

1432
01:03:35.579 --> 01:03:39.119
But again, there's a great character moment where you get just a

1433
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:43.079
shot of Shaw, and you wonder whether some of that cynicism and

1434
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:46.500
some of that defensiveness is dropping away as he sees this, and

1435
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:49.619
you aren't told, but you're just invited to think about it for a

1436
01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:49.920
second.

1437
01:03:49.980 --> 01:03:50.940
It's so good.

1438
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.500
Look at that pretty Bajoran boy.

1439
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:53.880
Yeah, there's the shot of Shaw.

1440
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:57.780
And we even stop and look at him for a little moment, you know, and

1441
01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:00.719
nothing is particularly said about what's going on in his head, but

1442
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:02.460
we're just invited to wonder.

1443
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:03.599
It's so good.

1444
01:04:03.659 --> 01:04:05.099
So good.

1445
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.179
Half the winds in this episode has been the reaction shots.

1446
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.360
So I'm wondering if because we've got an access director there

1447
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.179
that's why this is as good as it is. maybe you're right.

1448
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.460
Oh, gosh, Sydney is so beautiful.

1449
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:21.659
Because you could do all the plot Bs, but if you don't get the

1450
01:04:21.659 --> 01:04:22.619
character stuff right.

1451
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.300
It's going to be a failure.

1452
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:25.679
Oh my god, look at them.

1453
01:04:25.739 --> 01:04:26.820
Look at those creatures.

1454
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.739
They're so great, aren't they?

1455
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.820
sort of half octopus, half daddy long legs.

1456
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.980
Yeah, yeah, they're sort of weird squids.

1457
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:35.460
They great.

1458
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.179
I think that, you know, that's just a perfect ending. absolutely

1459
01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:39.960
brilliant.

1460
01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:42.539
Now, here we go. so look at this.

1461
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.579
He's looking around and he has no one.

1462
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.400
They're all smiling at one another.

1463
01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:50.039
Then he looks across at Picard.

1464
01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:52.860
And then we go back to this thing where he's talking about what

1465
01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:54.239
your crew do.

1466
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.940
It's so good, isn't it?

1467
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:01.260
Well, it's such an uplifting moment and then it really...

1468
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.880
Yeah, in a second, yeah.

1469
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:06.059
Well, the look that Picard gave him there was like, look, this is

1470
01:05:06.059 --> 01:05:06.599
what you could have.

1471
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.500
Yeah, but then he remembers him.

1472
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.539
Like, Picard remembers him.

1473
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.280
This is Picard remembering, I think.

1474
01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:17.820
And we're not told that, but when we come back, he looks so

1475
01:05:17.820 --> 01:05:24.179
stricken, after we've seen this, there, he looks up and there

1476
01:05:24.179 --> 01:05:24.719
there's Jack.

1477
01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:26.880
It looks like he's looking at Jack. and now we have Jack looking

1478
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.480
back at him.

1479
01:05:27.539 --> 01:05:28.500
Do you know what I mean?

1480
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.219
Like we're cutting between these 2 sequences.

1481
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:37.199
We've said this a lot about the editing in this, haven't we

1482
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:37.380
about?

1483
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.559
Yeah, yeah. sort of how precise it is.

1484
01:05:40.619 --> 01:05:45.179
Well, because everything is told so much more straightforwardly in

1485
01:05:45.179 --> 01:05:48.719
original trek, you would never have one scene intercutting with

1486
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.539
another scene that's happening afterwards or anything like that.

1487
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:54.960
And this staff where we're cutting between them.

1488
01:05:55.019 --> 01:05:56.280
That's him realising.

1489
01:05:56.340 --> 01:05:56.820
See?

1490
01:05:56.820 --> 01:05:58.079
Yeah.

1491
01:05:58.139 --> 01:06:01.860
The camera goes, his eyebrow just drops a little bit.

1492
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:02.940
We cut back.

1493
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:07.139
He sees that the guy, he sees that Jack's gone, and wonders about

1494
01:06:07.139 --> 01:06:10.679
him, and there he is horrified that that's what he's done, that he

1495
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:12.599
actually drove Jack away inadvertently.

1496
01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:16.860
What makes it is the sort of look of satisfaction on Picard's face

1497
01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:18.960
in the past that he's impressed the crowd.

1498
01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:20.699
You're like, oh, no.

1499
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.900
And this too, like this scene with Deanna, and I'm so glad it's

1500
01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:29.400
not the only Deanna we get.

1501
01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:31.079
She actually gets to be here in person.

1502
01:06:31.139 --> 01:06:35.940
Um, but she's in tears for a lot of this.

1503
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.219
Like, she's super upset and super alert.

1504
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.960
Tears in picard.

1505
01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:43.139
But yeah, yeah, yeah. with those, there's those beautiful moments

1506
01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:45.420
in in the Penthe that we talked about.

1507
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.440
Um, but I like, I like this.

1508
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:52.559
And then later, when we cut back and there's no dialogue.

1509
01:06:52.619 --> 01:06:55.079
She's actually laughing and that she's loosened up around him and

1510
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:55.980
I think that's really beautiful.

1511
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.980
I don't mind seeing a little bit more of the kickoffs, Troy, though

1512
01:06:58.980 --> 01:06:59.219
you know.

1513
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:00.599
I know, I know, she's a woman.

1514
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:01.500
I know she feels things.

1515
01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:04.380
I know she's an empath, but she could be a bit kick-off

1516
01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:04.860
occasionally.

1517
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:05.400
Yeah, yeah.

1518
01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:06.059
That was always great.

1519
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:12.119
But I do like her, see, see, that, that's her reaction to his

1520
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.039
reaction to...

1521
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:16.199
You haven't said anything as lovely as that.

1522
01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:19.199
He was talking about the squid, you know, the squidhead guys.

1523
01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:23.460
You know, um, I'm sorry, and I'm going to fix him.

1524
01:07:23.579 --> 01:07:25.139
My god, this stuff is so great.

1525
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.559
I mean, we didn't have relationship scenes in the 90s.

1526
01:07:28.619 --> 01:07:29.579
Let alone resolutions.

1527
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:30.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1528
01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:34.199
But also just that thing where that space goes from being black

1529
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.219
and empty and reminding him of his son's death to becoming a

1530
01:07:38.219 --> 01:07:40.019
source of life and wonder and joy.

1531
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:44.519
And look, she's starting to, she will, will cut back, but she'll

1532
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.340
she'll, um, she'll be laughing and sort of much more chill.

1533
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:51.840
It reminds me of something you told me, which I thought were very

1534
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:53.639
cutting, but also extremely true.

1535
01:07:53.699 --> 01:07:57.719
And that is, it's, what if the next generation crew?

1536
01:07:57.780 --> 01:08:01.079
Just for one season were reimagined as actual characters.

1537
01:08:01.139 --> 01:08:02.099
Yeah, yeah.

1538
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.539
They succeeded.

1539
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:04.980
Yeah, that's what they do here.

1540
01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:08.519
And they do it with, like, I just think Marina is never better

1541
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.159
than Independent. like, you know what?

1542
01:08:11.219 --> 01:08:13.139
This is the audience of today.

1543
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.480
They love mysteries like this red door, don't they?

1544
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.300
This is the thing that people leap on now.

1545
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:20.039
There's not the wonderful acting.

1546
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:22.260
It's like, no, what's behind the red door?

1547
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.239
But I mean, I think that's good.

1548
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:25.560
That's our cliffhanger.

1549
01:08:25.619 --> 01:08:29.039
We've resolved this and everything's good.

1550
01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:30.300
We're on a high again.

1551
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.119
Next week we have Ensign Rowe coming along.

1552
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:35.220
Oh, my God.

1553
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:35.760
Do you know what?

1554
01:08:35.819 --> 01:08:37.319
Yeah, episode is superb.

1555
01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:38.039
Really good.

1556
01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:38.520
Yeah.

1557
01:08:38.579 --> 01:08:41.880
I don't like the ending. the episode itself is great.

1558
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.199
Yeah, yeah.

1559
01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:45.239
I mean, we'll talk about that another day.

1560
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:47.880
We're never going to see Row again, so killing her off is probably

1561
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.539
a good way of selling that she was telling the truth.

1562
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.859
I like, I almost want to, like, applause, Jonathan Frakes. for

1563
01:08:55.859 --> 01:09:00.359
making that episode, which is effectively a bottle episode because

1564
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:01.859
we are entirely shipbound.

1565
01:09:01.979 --> 01:09:02.399
Yep.

1566
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:03.779
So gripping.

1567
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:04.859
Yeah, yeah.

1568
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:08.100
I love this too, these closing credits.

1569
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:14.220
You know, we both loved the opening credits of Picard series one

1570
01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:19.920
and two, and the music, and I missed that a bit here, and I can

1571
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:21.119
see why they didn't go with it.

1572
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.060
And they went with something much more Star Trek, the Next

1573
01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:24.600
Generation.

1574
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:28.560
But I love seeing these terrific, you know, the displays and all

1575
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.539
of that over the closing credits.

1576
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.119
I hate to tell you this, but I'm watching on Prime.

1577
01:09:33.180 --> 01:09:36.899
So the 2nd it cut to the credits, it's now gone to an advert on

1578
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:37.319
Amazon.

1579
01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:38.520
Oh, that's upsetting.

1580
01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:39.600
I'm watching the credits.

1581
01:09:39.659 --> 01:09:40.560
So I can't see any of it.

1582
01:09:40.619 --> 01:09:41.100
Yeah.

1583
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.479
They do look pretty great.

1584
01:09:42.539 --> 01:09:44.939
Yeah, that's really good, isn't it?

1585
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.079
That was really something.

1586
01:09:46.140 --> 01:09:49.079
I would say it's actually exceptional.

1587
01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:51.840
I don't think there's a beat that doesn't work in this episode.

1588
01:09:51.899 --> 01:09:54.539
I think there's a character that isn't firing on all cylinders.

1589
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:56.399
Visually, it's arresting.

1590
01:09:56.460 --> 01:09:58.140
The dialogue is fantastic.

1591
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.239
They can even make a backstory sing. which, you know, many a Star

1592
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:04.859
Trek episode fails to do.

1593
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.680
And the acting is extraordinarily good.

1594
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:09.000
Yeah, yeah.

1595
01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:09.720
Yeah.

1596
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:10.079
You know.

1597
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:12.840
And I think I think some of it comes with age.

1598
01:10:12.899 --> 01:10:16.619
You're getting some great performances out of very old actors that

1599
01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:18.600
have their trade the hard way.

1600
01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:22.140
But, yeah, it's amazingly good.

1601
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:25.439
I'll be interesting for us to do a 2nd half of the season episode

1602
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:30.539
just to see if it's still sort of firing on all cylinders as it is

1603
01:10:30.539 --> 01:10:30.779
here.

1604
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:32.279
But this is fantastic.

1605
01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:33.539
Yeah.

1606
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:34.560
Yeah, I agree.

1607
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:37.380
I think it's because they're being given better material and that

1608
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:42.300
this is not what Star Trek the Next Generation was, which was a

1609
01:10:42.300 --> 01:10:43.260
procedural.

1610
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:47.520
This is absolutely something a bit more interesting than that.

1611
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:53.819
And that was what the films did for original Star Trek, was they

1612
01:10:53.819 --> 01:10:55.140
were more inventive.

1613
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:58.920
They gave the characters things to care about that they didn't

1614
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:00.060
have before.

1615
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:04.979
But this, you know, I think, does that even better for this crew.

1616
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:09.000
And so although the films, with the exception of 1st contact, I

1617
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:14.100
guess, are a bit crummy for next generation, this makes up for it

1618
01:11:14.100 --> 01:11:14.340
I think.

1619
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:19.859
Having them back for just 10 hours, you know, 28 years later is

1620
01:11:19.859 --> 01:11:20.880
pretty great.

1621
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:27.720
I think uh, we've spoken about how it takes Star Trek shows a

1622
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.939
couple of seasons to get it right.

1623
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.979
Like you learn the lessons the hard way.

1624
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:33.600
You try things out, some things don't work.

1625
01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:36.600
The actors mature into their roles, et cetera, et cetera.

1626
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.920
I think that they have learned from series one and 2 because they

1627
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:42.000
pace this season better.

1628
01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:45.180
There's not those sort of laggy episodes in the middle of the

1629
01:11:45.180 --> 01:11:45.420
season.

1630
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.279
Are there wasn't 2 or we were?

1631
01:11:47.340 --> 01:11:52.739
Um, But it just feels like they've sat down and said, this is the

1632
01:11:52.739 --> 01:11:56.279
last time these actors are going to play these characters, we need

1633
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.340
to give them something incredible to bow out with and they've

1634
01:11:59.340 --> 01:12:02.640
really, it's there in the writing as well as everything else.

1635
01:12:02.699 --> 01:12:07.319
So it's just, this is Trek at its height.

1636
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:08.039
Yeah.

1637
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.060
Yeah, I agree.

1638
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.399
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1639
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.180
work out what we are going to watch next, and I think it's

1640
01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:29.819
inevitable that after watching this episode of Star Trek Picard

1641
01:12:29.819 --> 01:12:33.600
that we should go back and watch an episode of Star Trek, The Next

1642
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:34.619
Generation.

1643
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:36.479
Oh, good call.

1644
01:12:36.539 --> 01:12:37.800
Good, cool.

1645
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:39.119
See if it can be a good one.

1646
01:12:40.020 --> 01:12:42.239
That's so really terrible.

1647
01:12:42.779 --> 01:12:46.800
It's going to be the complete opposite of everything you've just

1648
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:47.279
watched.

1649
01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:48.420
That's exactly it.

1650
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:51.359
It's going to absolutely undermine all of them.

1651
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.420
Where we realise the thing that we're celebrating is in fact

1652
01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:55.859
really terrible.

1653
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:56.819
All right?

1654
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.140
Here goes I'm pressing the button.

1655
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:02.399
Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is allegiance

1656
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.640
don't even remember what that is.

1657
01:13:05.699 --> 01:13:07.020
What's that?

1658
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:12.119
Is it the one where the thing comes in and photocopies Picard and

1659
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:17.939
then he ends up in the thing with the Bolian woman and the big guy

1660
01:13:17.939 --> 01:13:20.819
who eats people and it's really terrible?

1661
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:22.380
You should press it again.

1662
01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:24.479
I'm sure we could get something worse than that, you know.

1663
01:13:24.539 --> 01:13:25.380
Well, you probably could.

1664
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:26.460
It's pretty crab.

1665
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.720
I think fake Picard is singing seed shanties, you know, in 10

1666
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:31.020
forward.

1667
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:33.479
It should have been one where Patrick Stewart had a chance to have

1668
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:35.460
some fun and he has no fun at all, in it?

1669
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:36.479
No, that's terrible.

1670
01:13:36.539 --> 01:13:37.859
All right, let's try another one.

1671
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.619
This is a good one.

1672
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:44.100
It's Ronald D. Moore.

1673
01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:49.859
It's season four, episode 7 reunion.

1674
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.060
Oh, that's fantastic, that episode.

1675
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:54.960
Hmm.

1676
01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:57.659
The ending is brilliant.

1677
01:13:57.779 --> 01:13:58.319
Surprising.

1678
01:13:58.380 --> 01:13:59.100
It's really good.

1679
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.539
I think we should do it.

1680
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:01.920
Maybe we should.

1681
01:14:01.979 --> 01:14:05.640
Let's continue our celebration of Star Trek the next generation.

1682
01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1683
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.460
We only roll again and get code of honour.

1684
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.520
So I think we should just cut it one day.

1685
01:14:11.579 --> 01:14:12.899
We will have to do it one day.

1686
01:14:13.020 --> 01:14:16.079
But I'm in a good mood and I'm feeling well disposed to the crew

1687
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.260
of the Enterprise D. So let's do reunion.

1688
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:23.340
It's got just the most phenomenal turn from Susie Paxson in it as

1689
01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:23.520
well.

1690
01:14:23.579 --> 01:14:24.420
Awesome.

1691
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:25.319
Okay.

1692
01:14:25.380 --> 01:14:26.520
Let's do it.

1693
01:14:26.579 --> 01:14:27.300
Okay.

1694
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:38.039
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1695
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:42.000
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1696
01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:44.640
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1697
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:45.479
media accounts.

1698
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1699
01:14:49.500 --> 01:14:51.000
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1700
01:14:51.060 --> 01:14:55.380
This episode was recorded on the 2nd of January 2024 and released

1701
01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:56.699
on the 5th of January.

1702
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the Next Generation

1703
01:15:00.300 --> 01:15:00.960
reunion.

1704
01:15:19.619 --> 01:15:21.000
Okay.

1705
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.840
That is a great episode.

1706
01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:26.340
Yeah, it is really good.

1707
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:29.579
And that's kind of like when you sort of realise that that's kind

1708
01:15:29.579 --> 01:15:31.560
of, because it's, it's series 4.

1709
01:15:31.859 --> 01:15:33.840
So is it leading into the...

1710
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.000
Yeah, series four.

1711
01:15:36.539 --> 01:15:39.239
Yeah, game redemption, yeah. to redemption.

1712
01:15:40.859 --> 01:15:45.180
Oh, and it's got Baby Alexander too, doesn't it?

1713
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:46.680
Tiny little...

1714
01:15:46.739 --> 01:15:49.260
And it's also got, I think, is that the 1st one with Gowron?

1715
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:51.119
Garon Anduras.

1716
01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:51.720
They both in it.

1717
01:15:51.779 --> 01:15:54.359
Oh, she's there to...

1718
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:55.260
Oh, fabulous.

1719
01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:59.039
And yeah, it's kind of like duress is evil, but he's sort of

1720
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.140
normal looking and then you've got Gauron.

1721
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.819
He just looks absolutely, yeah, so bizarre and terrifying.

1722
01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:08.579
You think it's got to be true, surely.

1723
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.819
It was definitely a choice, that performance, wasn't it?

1724
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:14.699
Troubles, he didn't realise he was going to come back a 50 tow

1725
01:16:14.699 --> 01:16:15.359
iron machine.

1726
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:16.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1727
01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:17.520
Yeah, yeah, no, he's awesome.

1728
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:19.140
I'm you know, he's really great.

1729
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:21.479
I think his best is way of the warrior.

1730
01:16:21.539 --> 01:16:25.140
All those bits where he's like, you have sided against us in

1731
01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:25.739
battle.

1732
01:16:26.579 --> 01:16:28.199
So good.

1733
01:16:28.260 --> 01:16:30.420
Do this, we do not forgive.

1734
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.439
We think, do we think he's changeling in that, at that point, we

1735
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:35.520
do what we don't?

1736
01:16:35.579 --> 01:16:38.100
Uh, no, it's Martok, isn't it?

1737
01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:39.359
Yeah, Marto.

1738
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:40.979
Yeah, yeah, we do find out later that it's not here.

1739
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:42.539
I'm whispering in his ear.

1740
01:16:42.539 --> 01:16:43.140
Yeah.

1741
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.000
Call some more.

1742
01:16:45.060 --> 01:16:47.340
I can't wait till we do that one.

1743
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:49.920
Yeah, that's going to be brilliant. be superb.

1744
01:16:49.979 --> 01:16:50.220
All right.