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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Hey, Tom.

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Hello there.

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So we are gathered here together to watch Star Trek for the Voyage

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Home.

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It's the 2nd time that we've done a movie and our previous time of

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Star Trek Generation.

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So we're definitely heading up.

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We've recently done threshold.

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God help us and God's destroy.

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So we are doing something really, really sort of uncomplicatedly

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great.

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Is that how you find this one, Tom?

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When I watched it most recently, I was just a tiny bit

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disappointed, and that was only because I think I was in the mood

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to watch Star Trek.

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And for all the wonderful things that this film is, and it is

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terrific.

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It isn't very Star Trek.

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It's sort of Star Trek inflected, but it's otherwise kind of very

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very good. 80s time travel fish out of water comedy.

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And that's a perfectly fine thing for a film to be.

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DS9 is my favourite iteration of Star Trek, and that isn't very

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Star Trek either.

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So I've sort of come to the conclusion that my favourite Star Trek

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is when it's not Star Trek at all.

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So this is built for me this.

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I'm also still slightly recovering from the fact that we all

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sounded like we were introducing Blue Peter at the beginning of

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this episode.

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Less anybody but to astound Shepherd.

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I think that's slightly about either of you guys are Marx Brothers

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fans, but I think that about the Marx Brothers, because what's

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generally regarded as their best film, Duck Soup, is also in many

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ways their least typical.

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But I think it is kind of appropriate for a comedy group as

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perverse as the Marx Brothers.

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That their best film should be their least typical.

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I feel the same way about Dogs who, you know, the most atypical

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Doctor Who is heaven sent.

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And yet it's just been voted the number one Doctor Who episode

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extraordinary.

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Well, I mean, this, this is kind of odd, isn't it?

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Because the Enterprise isn't in it until the very end.

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And it's the 3rd in a trilogy.

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And so there's a real scale to this story, which I think does give

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them permission to kind of go off format for once in a way that

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really works well because we're still getting the fallout from the

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previous 2 films in this one and particularly with the character

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of Spock, who, you know, obviously is the breakout character of

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the entire show.

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And so I think that is really great.

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But the other thing that I think is great is how incredibly woke

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it is.

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Why?

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We've just lost half the audience for you saying that word.

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You really like that.

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No, they're not listening.

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So what's great about it is when I was a kid in high school.

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So this film comes out when I'm 17, right?

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And when I was a kid in high school, there was a joke that, you

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know, leftists and so on cared about land rights for gay whales

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right?

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And the kind of some text of that is that the concerns of gay

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people, indigenous people, and Wales were something that it was

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ridiculous to fixate on.

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Anyone who cared about those 3 things was ridiculous.

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Do you know what I mean?

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was being silly.

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And so here is a film that absolutely deals with an incredible

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pressing issue and puts it front and centre in a way that's

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utterly bafflingly weird, um, and really properly makes us care

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about it.

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And I think that's awesome.

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I think that's so good.

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You know, our whole future depends on whether these whales get

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saved and so does Star Trek and I think that's just tremendous.

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There's a wonderful bit in the centre-C interview series where

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they're talking about the voyage home.

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And David Gerald, the writer of Trouble with Tribles, has got his

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head in his hands when talking about the voyage home and he's like

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I mean, it's a bit out there.

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He goes, save the whales.

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Come on.

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But originally, this wasn't supposed to be about humpback whales

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at all.

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Another thing I've gleaned from this documentary says, I'll never

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stop plugging it because if you want trivia about Star Trek, go

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and watch the centre seat on Amazon Prime.

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Originally, it was supposed to be about these tiny little fish

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which the producer was delighted about because it was very cheap

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and Leonard Nimoy basically said, no, we're not doing that.

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That's very boring.

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We don't want we don't want the world to be saved by these tiny

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little fish.

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We're going to have, you know, something big and epic.

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We going to have whales.

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So that's that's one change that was made.

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The 2nd change was the big name guest star, mooted for this movie

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was Eddie Murphy. who was supposed to play a nutty professor style

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character.

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I think it was going to be Gillian Hicks, wasn't he?

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I mean, imagine the romance between him and Shadow.

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The chemistry would have been extraordinary, wouldn't it?

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I think the president of Paramount, so this is either the best

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idea anyone's ever had or the worst.

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They had chats, didn't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He said the script or a version of it.

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He decided to do the golden child instead.

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Interesting choice.

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But, you know, what's his name?

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Richard Pryor had done Superman 3, only like a year or 2

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previously.

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So it's not quite as crazy as it sounds. but this is already the

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Star Trek film that isn't really Star Trek.

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One could only imagine what it would have come out like with Eddie

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Murphy in the key guest role.

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Do you know what I think like the key indicating factor that this

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isn't a Star Trek film is?

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The score.

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I don't think there's another score for a Star Trek movie quite

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like this.

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And have you ever read the reviewers, sort of prestige trek

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reviewers, Mark Altman and Edward Gross.

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You know, they were saying lovely things about this in their big

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Bible of Star Trek reviews.

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But the one thing they absolutely loathed because it wasn't, you

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know, this serene orchestral score that you normally get in a Star

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Trek movie was, was the music.

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I love the music in this film.

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I think it gives it a real identity.

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I'm not a big fan.

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I don't love it.

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Yeah, I think the identity it has is Meg Ryan walking to a

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shopping mall.

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Oh, well, no wonder I love it.

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That is not kind of movie.

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It's very period, isn't it?

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Very, very period.

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Shouldn't it be though?

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Yeah, oh, yeah, no, I think it should, particularly for this

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film.

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And it's really the 1st time that Star Trek engages with the world

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of its audience.

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And I don't think assignment earth counts because that Star Trek

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being in another TV show from the 1960s.

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It's not Star Trek engaging with the actual world. it's so strange

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isn't it?

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And we've done it a couple of times since then.

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It seems less odd.

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It's obviously such a brilliant idea that we do it again in

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Voyager, and then we do it again in Picard, and I think it works

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really well both times, and the Picard one is super woke in a

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fantastic way, I think.

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But that's so strange, isn't it?

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And just, and just showing us the space people, you know, it's

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it's almost like I'm getting vibes from the Brady Bunch movie and

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I know you're both English and you don't know what I'm talking

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about.

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But the Brady Bunch movie is, you know, a film where characters

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from a cheesy early 70s sitcom are living in the world of the up

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to the minute 90s and just the sort of strange, you know, the

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strange interactions between their TV world and ours.

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And that's very much this, isn't it?

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These odd characters from a 1960s TV show, turn up on our streets

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20 years later, or nearly 20 years later, and have to try and fit

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in, and it's really fun.

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It's just so enjoyable.

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It's such a brilliant idea.

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Yeah, that fish out of water idea is genius and it works like

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gangbusters here.

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The other thing, I think the films started to realise that the TV

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show never did really, because it was always about 3 is just what

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a brilliant ensemble they've got.

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And this is the 1st film, I think, that really gives them all

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maybe not Sulu, maybe Sulu's the one that's shortchanged in this

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but a big slice of the pie.

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They all get a set piece in this movie and it just really leans

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into the chemistry between all of the actors and it's wonderful to

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watch.

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This is one of the things that struck me watching Star Trek from

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the beginning, which is that we're kind of used to the idea now

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that there's this core group of 7 actors and they are the stars of

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Star Trek and they're the ones who had to keep coming back for

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every movie.

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You watch the 1st season of Star Trek. you wouldn't, well, 1st of

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all, you wouldn't pick out one of the 7 because he hadn't been

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cast yet.

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But also there's no particular reason if you watch a couple of

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episodes at random to not pick Nurse Chappell or Yeoman Rand, or

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even poor Eddie Paskey, I think, is actually in more episodes than

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George Decay, but didn't get anything like the royalties and movie

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roles and convention appearances.

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And so yeah, when they steal the Enterprise in Star Trek 3, that's

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really the 1st moment when you see this core group of characters

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come together as a gang, and then that's what we kind of roll with

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into this film, but it's not part of the series.

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I almost feel a bit sad at the end of this where they, well, we

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get the enterprise back, you know, because that Klingon cruiser

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looks amazing, doesn't it?

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It's so much more atmospheric in those hits.

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But what is also fun is that they're not on a mission and there's

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no command structure.

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I mean, there's a kind of command structure, but they're kind of

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friends.

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And so that makes that very different, I think, from, you know

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what happens even even in the next film or the film after.

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So I think this is special.

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It's just a sort of confluence of some really weird unusual ideas

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that just land perfectly.

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Okay, we should watch it.

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I think we should.

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All right.

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So I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I did notice the music at the beginning of the film.

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It does start with like a Star Trek riff, doesn't it?

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So it lows you into a full sense of security and then it just goes

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into all all out rom-com music.

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Marvellous.

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So this comes out in late 86, and it's dedicated to the crew of

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the Challenger, which exploded soon after takeoff in January 86

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and I remember that really well.

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That's the last year of school for me.

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And so I remember all the coverage of that.

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And I think, you know, like, I think that that's actually

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perfect.

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I do love how we see the Enterprise.

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But I actually saw the space shuttle Enterprise, uh, like on the

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on the launchpad at um, Kennedy Space Centre or Cape Canaveral, or

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whichever one it was called at the time.

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Did you notice how the Star Trek for the Boy H.

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Holmes appeared to come out of a humpback whale then on the

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screen?

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I thought it was, I thought it was the beaming down effect.

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Yeah, the transporter effect.

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I couldn't come up with one transport, honestly. on this Star

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Trek.

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How many Star Trek podcast have you done at this stage?

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Oh, many.

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It's just so nice after the last couple we've watched.

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It's so nice to watch something that's fun, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, they've been grim.

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No, I'm going to stop being mean about generations, you know

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because this is rather dull this opening, isn't it?

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Just the starscape and the names.

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At least had the champagne bottle flying through space in slow

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motion.

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I've got a really good storytelling fix for generations.

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If there's a lull, I mean, I can do it now if you want.

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I'll see how fast I can do it.

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There's a weird bit at the beginning of generations when Picard is

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looking through his photo album and getting all misty eyed about

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the death of his nephew burning to death, which is kind of awful.

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And then it's, it's, they didn't do anything with it.

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And then 3 quarters way through the movie.

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He's in the nexus and can leave the nexus and go to any point in

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time and space.

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He just goes, I know exactly where I want to go, which is kind of

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the stupidest time and place you could go.

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But there's an opportunity there to pay off the photo album

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scene.

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He could have the moral dilemma.

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Do I save my nephew from this awful fire or do I go and save this

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planet?

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and they never even consider it.

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Tom automatically does.

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That is far more interesting than the generations that we got.

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Thank you very much.

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Well, think of the film as he doesn't even consider going back to

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the enterprise and just, you know, arresting Sarah on the moment

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he comes on board.

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Like it just seems, it's very silly, not very well.

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Having to make a choice about his nephew or the planet would

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actually be kind of rooted in character and like I said, would

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make sense of why that scene was there, but it seems like they

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never even considered it.

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I think they were so lost trying to figure out what Picard's

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vision of the Nexus should look like, that they just began not to

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have the complete map of the story in their heads anymore.

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At what point during this movie, do you think that William Shatner

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looks over at Leonard Nemoy, you know, the man who everybody loves

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who's bringing together this fabulous movie that comes in on time

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on budget and is thinking, oh, I want a bit of that?

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I'm going to do that.

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I'm pretty sure he's thinking it all the way.

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But I think in many ways, this is Shatner's best performance.

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I don't disagree.

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So he's so relaxed.

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He's so charming in this.

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He never looks ridiculous except when he's deliberately being

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funny.

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I think he's terrific.

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So this is Manchester Sinclair as the captain of the Saratoga.

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You have a fact, don't you?

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Yes, this is the 1st on-screen appearance of a female starship.

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Do you know, Maya, who is no, in no way, a Star Trek fan, was

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watching the beginning of this movie with me.

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And he went, oh, screw Captain Janeway.

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That is the 1st female captain.

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She's awesome.

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She comes back in an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, to

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play Geordie's Mother, in Interface.

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Yeah, so it bucks the trend, that episode, because normally

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they're finding new family members in series 7.

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But this time we lose a family member and it's her.

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There is one moment in her very brief performance in this movie

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where I was like, the shit's hitting the fan and she's just sort

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of going, hello, come in, please.

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Come in, please.

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I'm like, come on now, bring the drama.

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Very understated.

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We seem to be watching the film here in the Federation Council

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Chamber.

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The Federation Cinema.

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It's movie night.

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Where's the trip?

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Surely he should be putting on Bride of Frankenstein or

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something.

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But this is odd, isn't it?

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Because there's all of this previously on Star Trek Admin.

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And actually, you could have started this with everybody got home

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okay?

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everybody's fine.

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They're in the Federation.

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They're back home, but there's this desire or this assumption that

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we have to start where the previous one left off.

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Yeah, there's a deliberate choice to tie the 3 together, isn't

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it?

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I have one leading to the to another.

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And as you said, Nathan, I mean, I like that choice.

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Yeah, it means that they're cut loose of all the rest of the

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Federation bureaucracy when they have to go and solve the problem

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which I think is a plus.

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It means within within the original Star Trek movies, you just

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have a big story, don't you, between 2 and four.

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You know, that's, and, you know, 6 is obviously their big send

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off.

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But I think that is their story in this 6 episode, a 6 movie run.

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Yeah.

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Look at how camp he is.

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He's got his hand on his thigh there.

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Look.

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Every great Star Trek movie has got to have a camp Klingon, doesn't

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it?

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See, I think we want this stuff.

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Like, I think we want to see the Federation Council, and I think

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we want to see the Klingons, and I think we want to see Mark

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Leonard back and all of that as Star Trek fans.

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And given, as you said, Tom, that this isn't really a Star Trek

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film in lots of ways.

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Here's where all the Star Trekness of it lives.

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And I'm happy for that.

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You know, like I think the great thing, when we watched Enterprise

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Series 4 and thought that it had a sort of movie scale.

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The great thing is that the status quo changes in these 3 films

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like across across the 3 films, the status quo of, you know, the

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situation that our characters are in and their relationships with

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one another change, and something happens to the world that they

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live in in a way that we never saw in the original series because

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we couldn't afford it, I guess.

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And you notice that every time we meet the president of Earth. a

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different person.

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We never, we never find out.

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There's, there's one, isn't there, in DS9 series four.

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That's like Bruza, yeah.

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Oh, look, look at Vulcan.

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Gorgeous.

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It's so funny because these...

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Is this what it looked like in 86.

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This hasn't been spiffed up for Blu-ray.

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No, this is...

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I mean, that does look like painting.

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It's gorgeous.

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But all of these scenes, outside the Klingons, they're in a car

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park, they're being filled in a car park. with a bit of sand on

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the floor.

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And I'm trying to like, look, because you can see behind the ship

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there, but he's got so much dry ice pumping into the scene and

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things like that.

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It's very clever.

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It's really cleverly now.

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This is kind of the peak of this kind of filmmaking, isn't it?

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There are some bad shots in some 80s movies, but you know

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miniature work and forced perspective tricks and map paintings and

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so on.

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This has kind of been pretty much solved by this stage.

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Yeah, I think it looks really good.

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Like I think it looks, you know, it's exciting.

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Uh, and it feels a little bit more substantial.

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Like I love spectacle and I love computer generated imagery, but I

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love this as well.

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And it is what I went to see when I went to the pictures when I

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was a teenager, you know.

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Well, there is one special effect sequence in this movie that is

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just backling, isn't it?

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The bit where they go back in time.

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We're not there yet. is going on?

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Yeah, it's very good.

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It's like Hubrick's taking over for a bit, isn't it?

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It's very strange.

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So this is all hard.

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It's sort of low rent, Kubrick.

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This is all half Bennett stuff, isn't it?

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So they carved the script up and Nicholas Meyer wrote all the

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stuff on Earth and Half Bennett does all the Star Trek admin

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stuff.

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I didn't know that until I'd watched the interview.

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And actually, I was watching this side, seeing if there was any

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perceptible difference in the writing and there was.

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It got a lot funnier. when the, you know, the suddenly the lines

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really were zippy.

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We're in sort of po-face Star Trek territory here.

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The 2nd we were on earth.

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The zingers start hitting.

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And Half Bennett wrote all of Star Trek 3. he's the only credited

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writer on Star Trek 3.

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And given this is a guy who'd been dragged in from TV in order to

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try and make Star Trek movies cheaper than Star Trek the Motion

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Picture, who'd never seen that episode before.

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It's kind of amazing and he's able just to sit down and go, okay

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Klingons, the Genesis planet.

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But especially Joe, as you think about this as a trilogy, you can

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sort of now see that the job of Star Trek 3 is to get the

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characters from where they are at the end of Star Trek 2, to where

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they need to be at the beginning of Star Trek 4.

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And it does do that very efficiently, albeit without an enormous

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amount of flair.

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The only bad thing that this film does is get them to the point

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where Star Trek 5 starts.

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But, you know, we can't blame someone.

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Presumably there's a sort of Star Trek equivalent of the Star Wars

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machete order where you just don't watch Star Trek 5.

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Oh, I was really, really hoping that we would roll Star Trek

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five.

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I found a, oh, I found a fabulous bookshop in town, Tom, which I

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found the William Shatner's personal account of directing Star

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Trek 5.

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It's this big thick volume.

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I read up a little extract in a previous episode.

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I'm going to read the whole thing when we do five.

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I'm sure...

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It's called something like, why am I surrounded by fools?

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No, I think it's called guys.

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I've edited the movie.

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It's ready to go And then the fuck up is all of them in horror

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watching that edit of the movie.

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Oh my god, it's a love letter by Shatner 2 Shatner.

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It's just tremendous.

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I let him know, isn't it?

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It's like the moment in Star Trek 6 where, you know, I think I, you

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know, I actually kissed your word, must have been a lifelong

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ambition.

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You know, like it's...

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Oh, man, don't you?

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So here we are for Jane Wyman.

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She's great.

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But don't you just love, she is pretty right.

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Like, he can do no wrong.

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Oh, yeah.

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This is this is really good for him too.

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And they've done something a little bit unusual, which means that

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he gets to play it a little bit like data, doesn't he?

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Because he's sort of new.

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Um, he, you know, he's, oh my god, I just remember that he had sex

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with Savage in Star Trek 3.

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He's had sex with Savik. got that past him, and now he's learning

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all of the things from the computer, but he still doesn't know

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like what metaphors are and stuff like that.

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He gets to, you know, play it, play it a little bit differently

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from how he's been playing it.

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It's great.

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I think it's really good.

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Presumably, well, this is being made.

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Somewhere in another part of Los Angeles, Gene Roddenbury is

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sitting down devising the character of data right about now.

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In that tiny little office, yeah, in Paramount, where they're like

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yeah, look over the, look over the scripts, gene.

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We'll take all your notes on board.

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I'd say.

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You say you got over the, oh, I'd like to give away the twist

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there.

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You got over having sex with Savik.

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Originally, the big twist was going to be that she was pregnant

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and she was going to stay on the ship and that was going to be a

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whole thing.

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And then they just unceremoniously cut her out the movie.

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Yeah, because she gets an opening credit.

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Like, doesn't she, like, that actor who is not one of the sex in

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the city people?

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It's Robin Curtis.

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Um, uh, she, she gets one line or like one scene, doesn't she?

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And then takes a very 80s perm off the bounty, never to be seen.

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I wonder why she didn't come back for Star Trek 6.

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On the on the on the Saratoga there.

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I felt as if I was watching Hunt for Red October for a second.

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I think that that probe looks amazing. sound effect.

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It's great as well.

501
00:22:56.460 --> 00:23:00.779
Oh, yeah, but just there's something like whale skin or there's

502
00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:01.980
something moist about it.

503
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.259
Like it seems moist and sort of organic.

504
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.400
And then that probe thing, which you can't quite work out exactly

505
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.420
what the deal is, like, is it, like, shapes on the surface of an

506
00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:14.400
empty gelatinous sphere or something?

507
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.920
Like, you're not sure what you're looking at, and you don't even

508
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.359
know how it's connected to the main thing.

509
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:21.000
Like there's a real proper oddness about it.

510
00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:25.799
And something that does evoke like sea life, I think.

511
00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:29.220
Like it's, it's consistent with what it's trying to do.

512
00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:33.720
And of course, it's now in the opening credits of Star Trek Lower

513
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:35.940
Decks, in that very, very crowded scene.

514
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:41.339
With the Romulan Warbirds and the Silicon Avatar and the Borg and

515
00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:42.240
the pros.

516
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.079
A sort of weird throbbing sound effect has clearly lodged itself

517
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.720
in my brain because for the last couple of weeks, knowing that

518
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.240
we're going to be doing this, I've just randomly been walking

519
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.579
around my house going, blah, blah, blah, blah.

520
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.819
I'm making that bizarre and my other ass, looking at me like, what

521
00:23:56.819 --> 00:23:57.299
are you doing?

522
00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:57.660
You know.

523
00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:59.940
It's weird, isn't it?

524
00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:01.440
Yeah, I like how weird it is.

525
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:05.759
And we do obviously have that very long sequence where, you know

526
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:09.839
Ahura's play and hurrah for using Ahura because we've just watched

527
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.359
a ton of TOS where she's had nothing to do at all.

528
00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.779
Um, and they... repeatedly the computer.

529
00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:19.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's great.

530
00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:25.799
It's strange credulity a bit that there are like a 1000 people on

531
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.859
earth desperately trying to figure out what their signal is or

532
00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:29.339
what it means.

533
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.119
But we have to wait for Ahura.

534
00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:35.759
We have to wait for one of our guys actually to be able to be the

535
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.539
ones to figure it out.

536
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:40.380
I sort of don't mind that because our guys have to be the best and

537
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:43.079
they have to be at the centre, but it is a bit weird.

538
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:44.640
When they do figure it out.

539
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:49.079
I'm really pleased they sort of hang a lantern on how absurd the

540
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.720
premise of this film is you have that wonderful scene with bones

541
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:55.200
going, we're going to go back in time and save a bunch of whales

542
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.900
in a hope that they're going to come here and save the earth.

543
00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:59.640
And he goes, well, that's crazy.

544
00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.099
You know, I'm like, thank God somebody's in it, you know.

545
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.259
It does help.

546
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:04.920
It really does.

547
00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:08.880
All right, let's say goodbye to Robin, who we're never going to

548
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.299
see.

549
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:10.259
Why do we mention David?

550
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.000
Like David's no part of this movie.

551
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:13.619
That is an irrelevant line.

552
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:18.599
It's just Half Bennett saying that, remember that earlier film I

553
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:18.839
wrote?

554
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:19.680
It was really good, wasn't it?

555
00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.579
You like, watch that one. get the DVD Oh, sorry, VHS.

556
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:24.660
It was DVD.

557
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:25.200
Why was it?

558
00:25:25.859 --> 00:25:28.500
But I think all of that's worth doing.

559
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.759
I think we want to see that.

560
00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:34.799
I think that this is a series of films that is creating its own

561
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:39.000
fandom with our own knowledge and stuff and we would have been

562
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:43.500
disappointed if we hadn't if we hadn't known for sure that Kirk

563
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:46.619
knew how David died and she was there.

564
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:48.000
We're Star Trek fans.

565
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.559
We live for that sort of stuff.

566
00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.200
But like sort of, I don't know how much of the percentage of the

567
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.660
audience is hardcore Star Trek has.

568
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:56.339
I don't think those people care too much.

569
00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:00.119
No, no, no, but I don't think they were put off by this.

570
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.579
Like, this is the sort of Star Trek shit that they were expecting

571
00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:05.819
to see when they turned up to the cinema.

572
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:06.539
Do you know what I mean?

573
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.400
When they wandered into the multiplex.

574
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.440
They were kind of more or less signing up for that.

575
00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:12.779
They got to the end and they were like, much more...

576
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:13.559
That's actually good.

577
00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:18.599
And it'd have been 2 years since Star Trek 3. you know, unless

578
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:23.940
you'd bothered to buy the novelisation or the, as you say, the VHS

579
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:27.180
you would need a bit of a refresher.

580
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.940
It's just that this has so little to do with what's going to

581
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:30.180
happen next.

582
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.579
Am I misremembering Star Trek free?

583
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.680
I don't remember that being a particularly great movie.

584
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:36.480
It had some good sweat pieces.

585
00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:37.319
I know, it's terrible.

586
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:43.500
It's not Star Trek five. the best of the odd ones I think.

587
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.259
Did you see that aspect shot there of the Klingon ship going up

588
00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:47.579
and the planet escape?

589
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.900
Now, let's go.

590
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.539
Let's return to your comment about whether they've tarted this up

591
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.220
for the for this version.

592
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:54.059
I don't think they have.

593
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:54.299
No.

594
00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:56.460
It's beautiful.

595
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:57.660
It does look great though.

596
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.880
It does look good, doesn't it?

597
00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:00.299
Really?

598
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.359
Oh, I love that space station.

599
00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:09.720
Use again in 1001 or whatever the episode's called in.

600
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:10.980
Oh, they used over and over.

601
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:12.420
Oh, yes. all the time.

602
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah. they never stop.

603
00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:14.880
And why not?

604
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:15.359
You know?

605
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.920
Yeah.

606
00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:23.220
Just the scale of this stuff too, you know, like, because original

607
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:26.819
Star Trek had just been the ship and maybe another ship, if we

608
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:30.839
were lucky, but having this giant space stock, and it just gives a

609
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.220
sense of a world for these adventures to take place in, which is

610
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:39.779
you know, like, strange new worlds does that and does it quite

611
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:45.599
well with its Starbase one, you know, um, and, you know, Admiral

612
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:46.680
April and stuff like that.

613
00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.380
But here we get it for the 1st time here and I love it.

614
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.579
I'm absolutely here for it.

615
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.619
There's a wonderful story again.

616
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.400
The centre seat where the fellow from ILM that's doing the special

617
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:56.819
effects.

618
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:03.420
They brought in, you know, the top dog of ILM to try and turn what

619
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:09.059
is effectively a boiler to look like that alien probe.

620
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.680
And he's like, what am I going to do with this?

621
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:12.359
It looks like a boiling unit.

622
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:15.059
So basically he just he painted it black.

623
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.880
He sprayed it so it sort of glistened a little bit.

624
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:19.259
He shot it in interesting ways.

625
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.980
I don't think it even he's that impressed still, though, with how

626
00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:23.339
it looks.

627
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.539
Whereas I've always thought...

628
00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:25.319
I think it looks cool.

629
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.059
It just looks just unknowable, doesn't it?

630
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.619
It doesn't look like anything you've seen before.

631
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.339
But also in that stuff, like, you know, you had the stock footage

632
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:34.619
of the clouds that were sort of forming and stuff like that.

633
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.220
But you did have the shot of it kind of hoovering up the ocean and

634
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:40.380
there's clearly some liquid.

635
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:40.980
Do you know what I mean?

636
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.319
They can't, they're not computer generating it.

637
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:46.559
There's some liquid being dispersed and they're, they've got like

638
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.079
waterfalling and they're kind of matting it all together.

639
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:51.119
There's a few different elements that they're putting together.

640
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:53.099
And I think they're reasonably successful.

641
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.380
They certainly sell what's happening.

642
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.559
Even he says, though, during the sequence when I go back in time

643
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.180
you go, oh, I hate that sequence.

644
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.059
Because I'm trying to be sort of visually poetic.

645
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.339
He goes, none of it means anything, you know?

646
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:10.440
I've got a feeling that's that's where Bennett's script ran out

647
00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:13.680
and Myerscript took over.

648
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.779
So no one had actually written the time travel sequence.

649
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:16.920
That scene.

650
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.079
It sort of fell between the cracks.

651
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:19.920
I love this scene.

652
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.839
Isn't this same brain?

653
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:25.019
So you've got this scene here where the 2 of them, again, we're

654
00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:28.319
going over stuff that happened in Star Trek 3 and even as early as

655
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.299
Star Trek 2 at the very end of Star Trek 2.

656
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:37.980
But just, like, it characterises the 2 of them so well going in.

657
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:44.880
And just how incredibly frustrating Spock is, you know, like, it's

658
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.119
the big question of what happens after death. what happens after

659
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.119
Daphne just says, well, I could tell you, but I can't because

660
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.940
you've got no frame of reference, so you can't understand it.

661
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:59.099
It's so cool. you telling me I've got to die to have this

662
00:29:59.099 --> 00:29:59.940
conversation with you?

663
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.079
It's great.

664
00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:04.980
Even that exchange, which I don't think makes any sense, where he

665
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:05.880
says, excuse me.

666
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.440
Excuse me, doctor, I'm having a number of, I'm experiencing a

667
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:11.519
number of distress calls.

668
00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:13.200
And he just says I don't doubt it.

669
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:17.339
I don't quite know what that means, but it is, yes, you are an

670
00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:20.039
annoying person to be around and I feel like sending out a

671
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.359
distress call right now.

672
00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:24.180
I don't think any of the films really manages to do anything

673
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:25.319
interesting with McCoy.

674
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.480
Possibly, apart from Star Trek 5.

675
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:29.940
That's the only one which really has anything to say about who he

676
00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:30.119
is.

677
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.980
What does he do in Star Trek five?

678
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.880
Well, I mean, because everyone, all 3 of them have the, that thing

679
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.599
where they, they have to reveal their secret pain.

680
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.240
And he has that thing, yeah, that euthanasia thing.

681
00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:42.720
I think it is.

682
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:47.160
But yeah, that's a sort of self-contained set piece of the middle

683
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:47.640
of the film.

684
00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:51.480
But none of these 6 films really or anything to do with who McCoy

685
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:51.779
is.

686
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.339
He's simply somebody who hangs around and lets Kirk or Spock

687
00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.059
bounce off him.

688
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.420
And it's weird because he's so vivid in the original series.

689
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.579
It's nice to know that before he was cooking up Jumbalaya, on

690
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:09.119
earth, Captain Cisco's father was...

691
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.039
Admiral Winstaff, Leo.

692
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:16.319
But this alien here on the ride of the shot with the ears, he

693
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:21.660
turns up, I think, possibly as a Bolian, in conspiracy, in series

694
00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.759
one of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

695
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:29.640
We just saw Nurse Chapel, who is here for some reason.

696
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.779
I don't know why.

697
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.900
And I think I think Yoman Rand is there as well.

698
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.500
I think that that's they just get the tiniest of cameos here.

699
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.000
Eddie Pask must just be fuming.

700
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:40.380
I mean, fuming.

701
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:42.599
That's it.

702
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:44.220
Why am I not in the background?

703
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.339
going to ask you a favour, Tom, because we have a scale on

704
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:49.859
untitled Star Trek project, the Beaumont scale.

705
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:54.240
We had a couple of aliens turn up in the Star Trek Voyager episode

706
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.299
revulsion that had sort of coat hangers. going around their heads

707
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.819
and they look absolutely ridic- the most ridiculous looking

708
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:00.299
start.

709
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.420
When that alien comes back in a minute, I'd like you to rate him

710
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:04.619
on the Beaumont scale, please.

711
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.140
That's our guess for this. from one to 10?

712
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.000
One to 10 of how ridiculous it looks.

713
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.720
Obviously, 10 being super ridiculous and one being, you know, I

714
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.740
cut which episode it is now.

715
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:14.759
There are some Voyager Ravens.

716
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:18.000
I think it is who have on their heads what looks like one of those

717
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.819
games where you have to tilt it and try to make the ball go in the

718
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:21.059
hole.

719
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:24.900
That's the bone.

720
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:29.339
Going back to McCoy's box for a second.

721
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.700
There's a real difference in their chemistry as well in the movies

722
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:36.599
than there was in a TV show, which was a bit nasty, we've said

723
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:37.440
occasionally, haven't we?

724
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:40.859
It was a bit, whereas I think that's where you see the

725
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:44.279
relationships that actors have formed over time, actually on the

726
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:44.519
screen.

727
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:45.119
Yeah.

728
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.960
So it's the same sort of um, sort of culture clash.

729
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.680
But it's just a lot gentle. more enjoyable to watch, I think.

730
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.759
It's weird in Star Trek 6 that they have Cook be the one who's

731
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.259
racist against Klingons when we've had 20 odd years of McCoy being

732
00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:02.519
racist against Vulcans.

733
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.680
But I mean, he has the character motivation for it, doesn't he?

734
00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:09.119
He does, yeah, they killed my boy.

735
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:15.839
I mean, I've always liked these 3 because they represent just

736
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.920
different impulses.

737
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:17.579
Do you know what I mean?

738
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.819
You've got Kirk is the ruling impulse who has to decide between

739
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.440
emotion and reason.

740
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.940
And that's what makes them work together so well.

741
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.519
By having they almost function like a person.

742
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:34.799
Decide between Spock and McCoy, almost like, you know, the Lulu

743
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:40.500
Tunes or Disney, Devil and Angel characters, it's externalising

744
00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:44.220
the decision making process, which is so clever.

745
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.279
And I don't think history really relates to whether any of that

746
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.859
was conscious or whether it was just the way these characters

747
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:53.400
emerge because McCoy is a late edition, isn't he?

748
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:58.259
They try out a few other doctors, which are sort of variations on

749
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:00.539
the same theme. before they eventually get to Forrest Kelly.

750
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.779
What I gather from the sort of behind the scenes that we've done

751
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.140
we've unearthed doing this is a lot of that 1st season.

752
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.699
It just is accidental.

753
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.659
But once it fell into place and they saw it worked, then they

754
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:13.980
really lent it into it after that.

755
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:18.480
In Star Trek, the Next Generation, I think they try the same thing

756
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:19.739
with Picard and Worf.

757
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.719
You know, and Worf's job is to be more aggressive and, you know

758
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.719
what he says is we should do this and he's always wrong.

759
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:29.820
Like he's just always wrong.

760
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:33.420
We're always baffled when he's right, aren't we?

761
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.340
That's usually in DS9.

762
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:36.599
No, it doesn't happen that often.

763
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.119
Well, he doesn't have that role in DS9 anyway.

765
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.900
I love this in a minute where they go, um, Yes, well, we're going

766
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.039
to have to go into time warp.

767
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.599
Like that's something you can just do.

768
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:47.699
But actually that was set up in Assignment Earth that we did

769
00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:51.420
recently that you can just pop back in time, you know, should you

770
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:51.719
need to.

771
00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:55.500
I think that's just covered in an opening montage, isn't it?

772
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.219
Just a voiceover.

773
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.320
We've gone back in time, but that's the beginning.

774
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.340
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:34:59.400 --> 00:34:59.820
Yeah.

776
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:00.960
No, that's their mission.

777
00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:04.139
They had to go back there on a mission to spin off this news.

778
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.539
We can only assume they've been through all the drama that they go

779
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:08.159
through in a minute in Assignment Earth.

780
00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:09.119
We just never saw any of that.

781
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.480
So when they travel back in time in Picard series 2, there is a

783
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.980
kind of weird montage of the faces of the characters on board the

784
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:20.460
ship.

785
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.219
So I think they go back in La Serena, don't they?

786
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.880
And we just see all of the characters, but what we don't see is

787
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:31.320
this bafflingly weird thing that's about to happen on screen.

788
00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:35.099
Like, it's so strange. bizarre morphing heads that come up out of

789
00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:35.519
the clouds.

790
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:37.199
It's going on.

791
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:41.519
I think it was just, you know, with CGI, everything was just

792
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:45.000
experimental, and this was just, here's something we could do.

793
00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:46.980
Can you use it?

794
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:47.400
Yeah.

795
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:47.639
Yeah.

796
00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:52.380
Well, I mean, the Genesis effect, which they use for and over

797
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:56.460
again, because it costs so much money, is spectacular, I think.

798
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.000
And the full effect, where you actually, because it's quite pixily

799
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.760
and then you sort of zoom in and you see the, you know, the planet

800
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.260
terraforming itself and stuff.

801
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.239
I think it's a reasonably impressive effect.

802
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.199
And I absolutely remember when computers look like these ones.

803
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:12.780
You know, in the bulkheads.

804
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:16.559
We ever get under the skin of why the probe is so pissy that you

805
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:17.880
can't say hello to the whales.

806
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:20.940
Like, why is it destroying?

807
00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:24.300
everything in the galaxy just because it can't say hello to the

808
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:24.719
whales again?

809
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.179
No.

810
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.940
Okay, which I think is I think it's probably correct.

811
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:34.320
There's a bit of ambiguity there.

812
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:38.099
Yeah, there's there's enough admin in this in this film as it is

813
00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:43.920
without uh, yet more uh, and sometimes you don't want your your

814
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.059
monsters to be able to speak.

815
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.599
I think one of the things that Nemoy certainly came into this film

816
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.860
wanting to do was tell a story with to use the old Hollywood

817
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.360
parlance, no heavy.

818
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.179
No villain, no bad guy.

819
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.320
And so if you, if you now personify the probe, even if it turns

820
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.619
out it was all a misunderstanding, if the probe is personified

821
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:09.840
you're kind of going back to that, uh, Khan Cruge, uh, evil

822
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.179
villain character, which is what they were trying to avoid, this

823
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:14.940
is, this is circumstance uh, that they're battling against.

824
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.159
Is this the only Star Trek movie that doesn't have a villain

825
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:17.400
then?

826
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:18.840
Could very well be.

827
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.400
Yeah, I think it is.

828
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:21.059
Yeah.

829
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.800
But remember that the the probe is doing the thing that the the

830
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.539
film needs to make its point about ecology.

831
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.840
So it turns out that we're dependent on the other intelligent life

832
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:41.340
forms on this planet in a way that we suspect that we aren't, and

833
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:45.420
so it's there to kind of make that point, we need the humpback

834
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:46.019
whales.

835
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.340
And I assumed, and is it in the in the script that it's coming

836
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:51.420
back to check on them?

837
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.780
Like it just comes back periodically to check on the whales?

838
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.400
Is that...

839
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.239
I can't remember.

840
00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:00.300
And presumably you can't just play whale song at it because it has

841
00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:01.380
to be able to have a conversation.

842
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.340
They do have that line.

843
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:03.659
They cover that line, yeah.

844
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:04.440
Yeah.

845
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.139
Because I think that's what everyone's thinking, aren't they

846
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:07.559
watching this?

847
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.139
Play them some whale song.

848
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:12.539
Oh, this is the same.

849
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:13.679
That's crazy.

850
00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:14.579
I love it.

851
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.079
Yeah, it does help.

852
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:16.800
It really does help.

853
00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:22.619
And time travel is, but I think that's why that bonkers scene with

854
00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:25.139
the floating heads is so important because otherwise time travel

855
00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:25.920
seems trivial.

856
00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:28.380
It seems like we're just driving a Klingon TARDIS.

857
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.400
We can go wherever we want.

858
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:32.280
And it has to seem like a big deal, like a hard thing to do.

859
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:36.179
And there's some lines later on as well about, oh, in order to get

860
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:38.699
us back where we need to be, I'm going to have to make some

861
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:39.420
guesswork.

862
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.440
Just to try and make this seem hard because actually the story

863
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.300
rests on this being very, very easy.

864
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.760
But we can't admit that.

865
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.420
So we have to then decorate that with all sorts of other little

866
00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:53.639
flourishes about how terribly difficult it is.

867
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:56.460
Otherwise they'd be doing this all the time. think they sell it.

868
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:57.300
Oh, yeah, yeah.

869
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.800
Yeah, I think they properly sell it.

870
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.119
And that's exactly it.

871
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:02.579
They don't want to make every film be about this.

872
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.639
And so they have to make it something that's difficult and risky

873
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.500
and costly, so they can't do it all the time.

874
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.619
Yeah, I think the weird things about 1st contact, which is that

875
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:15.239
not only is time travel seen as much easier in that film, but also

876
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.820
my God, that film does not hang about.

877
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.920
I think we're at what, 29 minutes now?

878
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.420
uh very nearly.

879
00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:26.280
When I watched 1st contact, I took a note of this.

880
00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:30.840
It's 14 minutes before the Enterprise enters Time Warp in that

881
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.079
film.

882
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:32.760
And that is some efficient storytelling.

883
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:37.139
Maybe that's why people were so surprised in this movie that

884
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:41.400
actually, half an hour is a long time to do, as you say, admin

885
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.679
before we get to the main event.

886
00:39:44.219 --> 00:39:48.539
I mean, this is, you know, this is the way storytelling happens

887
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:52.559
happens in the 80s, you know, it's it's a long time later and

888
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.739
there's been 150 more episodes of Star Trek that we've all

889
00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:56.460
experienced.

890
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.340
We don't need to be sold the time travel thing because it happens

891
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:00.960
in Star Trek the Next Generation.

892
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:03.420
And so just having them follow the Borg.

893
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:04.800
That sells it.

894
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.480
You know, they're not doing it themselves.

895
00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:08.039
They're following a Borg thing.

896
00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:10.019
It wasn't the case in Assignment Earth, though, was it?

897
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.099
That was only the what?

898
00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:13.260
40th episode of Star Trek?

899
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:13.860
Yeah.

900
00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:16.739
They just had boy hair, I think.

901
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.880
We had a spinoff to launch and we were going to do whatever it

902
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:21.119
took.

903
00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:24.840
You know, this film is the perfect example how the memory cheats

904
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.139
because I have this vivid memory of that window shattering in a

905
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:32.099
minute in Starfleet headquarters and it being this incredible

906
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:32.699
visual.

907
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.980
And then when I was watching it, I was like, oh, it's a bit of

908
00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:35.519
fibre class.

909
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:36.539
It's just sort of fallen out.

910
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.940
I think the reason it's memorable is that it links, you know, it's

911
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:44.639
happening again at the end of this thing when they go back

912
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:45.300
remember?

913
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.300
Like it's the thing that makes it clear that they've come back

914
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:50.099
into exactly the same time.

915
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.079
Probably the difference between movie and TV because that's not

916
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.079
the thing we sort of see in Star Trek on television.

917
00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:55.440
Is it?

918
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:59.400
like, you know, Amidst all windows.

919
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:00.480
Like Windows.

920
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.300
Like, you never see through windows on television.

921
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.059
I miss all this continuity porn.

922
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.880
This does not look an awful lot like the Klingon ship from Star

923
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:09.420
Trek 3.

924
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.699
Oh, really?

925
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.340
I had meant to go back and watch the 2 films, but I just didn't

926
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:14.699
have time.

927
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.860
It's very cramped.

928
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.099
And although Kirk's chair in the centre, there is raised a little

929
00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:20.699
bit.

930
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.639
In three, Christopher Lloyd sitting on a kind of throne with

931
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:25.260
everyone else like, 2 feet below him.

932
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.019
I think he insisted on that, though, you know.

933
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.639
I imagine so.

934
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:31.440
You'd think Shadow would as well, wouldn't you?

935
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.920
Wasn't Christopher Lee higher than me?

936
00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:35.699
That's great though.

937
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:38.280
Oh, I love that bit.

938
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:40.079
It's exploded in Ahura's face.

939
00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:42.659
I mean, that's that there alone is more than she normally gets in

940
00:41:42.659 --> 00:41:43.860
the original series episode.

941
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:48.360
Oh, the consoles are already exploding where they're rocks.

942
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:50.940
I didn't see any rocks, Joe. It's a movie.

943
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.019
They don't need the rocks.

944
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.579
They don't need the drama of rocks.

945
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:56.340
Here we go now.

946
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:57.960
This is great, isn't it?

947
00:41:58.019 --> 00:41:59.099
Yeah, yeah.

948
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.360
ILM pulling out all the stops.

949
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:03.719
Do you remember what we did this in DS9?

950
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:05.159
We're back in time.

951
00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:05.519
Oh, sorry.

952
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.039
They detonated that sun and destroyed the shipyard.

953
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:11.460
How shitty that look compared to.

954
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:14.760
But it does count.

955
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:16.260
Here we go.

956
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.440
This is full on Nicholas Rhodes, Stanley Kubrick nightmare.

957
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:22.380
I think they actually painted the entire page set, white for that

958
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:23.699
one shot of...

959
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:25.980
Yes, staring off the screen left.

960
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.599
I like to think they're actual fast.

961
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:30.780
It's absolutely not clear who those people are. not at all clear.

962
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.420
Just about just about clock Nemoy there.

963
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:34.679
But that could be anybody.

964
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:35.880
Oh, there's a whale.

965
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.260
Is that the fella?

966
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:40.139
Descending to the earth and the clouds all around.

967
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:40.980
Very strange.

968
00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:43.500
Yeah, man.

969
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:44.460
Is he naked?

970
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.159
Because it's Quantum Leap, isn't it?

971
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.940
It looks just like the title.

972
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:53.579
What is happening?

973
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:54.599
The water.

974
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:55.739
And then, look, watch this.

975
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.539
We cut to this shot of reeds in water, and then we never come back

976
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:00.900
here again.

977
00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:03.780
Do we go on?

978
00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:05.880
No, that's...

979
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:06.780
This is weird imagery.

980
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:07.619
It's very old.

981
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.360
So now the lines are gonna stop zinging.

982
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:13.079
Okay.

983
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.780
The 2nd somebody says, where are we?

984
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.159
I think, or when are we?

985
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:21.119
Yes, that's the beginning of the Nick Myers script and he gets to

986
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:22.019
do his pollution gag.

987
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:25.980
Suddenly we're saying, you know, everybody remember where we

988
00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:26.400
parked?

989
00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:28.920
How do we know he didn't invent the field?

990
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:29.820
such a great line.

991
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.039
But where is where is Alameda?

992
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:34.019
You know, suddenly we're getting these gray lights.

993
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.440
Who was that, Nicholas Meyer?

994
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.179
He wrote the middle bit.

995
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.219
Did he write?

996
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.340
He's the guy who wrote 2 and 6 and directed 2 and 6 as well.

997
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.179
He didn't direct this one.

998
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.519
It's something that links all those things.

999
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:49.980
It's all the best parts of the movies, isn't it?

1000
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:50.820
Yeah, they're good.

1001
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:53.280
You guys must know the story about too big written.

1002
00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:56.579
Yeah, well, it's all in there, isn't it?

1003
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.360
the sense to see again.

1004
00:43:57.420 --> 00:44:00.239
The behind the scenes of these movies is fascinating.

1005
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:03.179
I mean, 5's the most fascinating because it's such a fucking

1006
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:03.900
disaster.

1007
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:09.780
This one's almost a little boring because everything goes quite

1008
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:10.739
smoothly overall.

1009
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.980
For the benefit of listeners, I'll do that story as fast as I

1010
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:14.159
can.

1011
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:17.340
They had about 10 different drafts of a script for Star Trek 2.

1012
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.239
And Nicholas Meyer came in to try and get Half Bennett out of

1013
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:21.539
trouble.

1014
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:26.099
And look to the bits they had and said, tell me all the bits you

1015
00:44:26.099 --> 00:44:29.039
like and I'll stitch them together into a coherent screenplay.

1016
00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:32.219
And Harv Bennett said, well, we start shooting in 12 days.

1017
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:36.000
And Nicholas Myers said, well, I think I can do it with the

1018
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.159
arrogance of youth.

1019
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:40.980
And half Bennett said, Nick, we couldn't even do your deal in 12

1020
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:41.340
days.

1021
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:42.119
Yeah.

1022
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.519
And that's why he doesn't get. why he doesn't get screenplay

1023
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:44.760
credit.

1024
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:46.440
Oh, wow.

1025
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:49.920
No, they couldn't ride the contract as quickly as he had to ride a

1026
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:50.519
screenplay.

1027
00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:54.300
So much. studio involvement in that film, isn't it?

1028
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.460
It is astonishing, it turned out as well as it did.

1029
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.280
Is it because it's a course correction, is it?

1030
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.739
Because they're worried about what they did last time and so

1031
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:03.840
everything's being redesigned and we're taking a different

1032
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:04.440
approach.

1033
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.119
I was thinking about this.

1034
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:10.440
The way that Star Trek 4 sits so oddly, you see this sometimes

1035
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.400
with long-running franchises that the 1st like 3 or so are often

1036
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.000
the experimental ones, like what does this look like as a

1037
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.659
franchise?

1038
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.840
You know, the 1st 3 Mission Impossibles are all very different.

1039
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:25.260
It takes ages for fast and furious to figure out how it works.

1040
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.679
And you can see them in these 4 movies trying out different

1041
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.340
approaches.

1042
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:33.300
Really, Star Trek, 5 and 6, I think, are the only 2 which are Star

1043
00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:34.139
Trek films.

1044
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.199
Star Trek Magic Picture is kind of, but it's so different from the

1045
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:41.340
series. 5 and 6 are the ones which are, this is the Star Trek

1046
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:41.820
formula.

1047
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.719
It's just that 5 is executed poorly, and 6 is execution much

1048
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:45.900
better.

1049
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:47.820
Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.639
But I'm glad that we have this, you know, because this big story

1051
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:58.380
does seem properly epic, and it's obviously being done at a time

1052
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:04.980
as, you know, Star Wars has its big trilogy completed at this and

1053
00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:06.119
just a few years earlier.

1054
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:09.599
And so Star Trek wants to do something sort of fairly similar.

1055
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:13.199
And I think they, you know, even though the middle, you know

1056
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.960
episode is not that great, I think it all hangs together

1057
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:16.619
wonderfully.

1058
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.739
This is the movie that feels most like TOS to me.

1059
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:21.300
And I know we said it's atypical.

1060
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.920
But TOS was fun.

1061
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.119
It did ridiculous things like going down to Alice in Wonderland

1062
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.320
planet and things like that.

1063
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:30.900
And it just lent into it and had fun.

1064
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:32.519
And this is the most fun of all of them.

1065
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:34.500
Yeah.

1066
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.460
Ah, Sulu was born in San Francisco.

1067
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.019
And that's it.

1068
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.760
That's his only line for the rest of the film.

1069
00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:42.599
What does he do?

1070
00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:43.800
Where does he go?

1071
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:48.360
We get all, we get our 1st extraneous characters a minute, the 2

1072
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.780
bin men that see the ship land invisibly.

1073
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.099
It's like, did you see anything?

1074
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.599
No, and neither did you.

1075
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:55.139
So shut up.

1076
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.159
I love that bit.

1077
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:00.480
But even someone telling someone to shut up in a Star Trek field.

1078
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:04.139
Like, just the way, like, just instantly that dialogue marks it

1079
00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:06.900
out as something quite different and those characters are people

1080
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:08.639
that we would never, ever have seen before.

1081
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:10.199
I think it's so...

1082
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.380
Morgan, shut up, and I'm not going to say it because doing it with

1083
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.920
my finger doesn't count, but the bit where the, yeah, the fella on

1084
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.780
the bus puts up its middle finger.

1085
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.179
That's so not Star Trek, isn't it?

1086
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.500
But the lyrics, the lyrics in his thing say screw you or something

1087
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:26.159
at the same time.

1088
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:29.820
You know, it's as sweary as we're going to get in a PG film.

1089
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.260
Double dumbass on you.

1090
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.599
Yeah, that's so great.

1091
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.079
I'm from Crawley, you know, and every time you get on a bus and

1092
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:41.159
crawling, there's a bloody arsehole playing music really loud or

1093
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:42.119
having a loud phone.

1094
00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:44.880
You need a spock on every bus in Crawley.

1095
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:45.900
So knock them out.

1096
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.519
I love this.

1097
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:49.079
That's so great.

1098
00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:53.820
So he's wearing his very, very period headband at this point as

1099
00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:54.119
well.

1100
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.039
Well, we said that in assignment.

1101
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.400
We're going to hang out to wear a array of spectacular hats, didn't

1102
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:02.579
they?

1103
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.539
Because they, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1104
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.380
Everyone gets a phaser and a communicator, which presumably they

1105
00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:12.539
brought with them from the Enterprise.

1106
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.519
Yeah, I guess so.

1107
00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:16.920
I'd pick one up on the way out, wouldn't you?

1108
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:17.519
do that.

1109
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:21.119
Just before setting the self-destruct.

1110
00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:24.360
I'm trying to think of other times where aliens have gone back in

1111
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.539
time and they've had to cover up their various sort of latex

1112
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:28.199
appendages.

1113
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:30.239
There's Kira in past tense.

1114
00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:32.820
Remember, they put that massive bandage over her nose and then

1115
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:35.579
every everywhere she lands, she goes, I had a bad accident.

1116
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:36.780
That's all she said.

1117
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.420
Well, is it that Kirk says about Spock in sitting in the chair

1118
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:43.619
forever, my friend here is Chinese?

1119
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1120
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.880
It was a rice picking accident or something.

1121
00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:49.320
It's kind of racist, really.

1122
00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:52.320
In the 60s, you surprise.

1123
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:54.059
Like it was a thing.

1124
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.079
But this is so great.

1125
00:48:55.139 --> 00:49:00.119
I love the bin that flattens itself, like I said. it's so good And

1126
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.239
I actually kind of secretly like that the cloaking device

1127
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.980
literally makes a thing invisible.

1128
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.340
But it's the closing counters moment where the door opens and the

1129
00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:09.360
line comes out.

1130
00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:10.079
So good.

1131
00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:11.400
So good.

1132
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:13.079
And it's just our God.

1133
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:16.079
Now, after that sort of half an hour of getting here.

1134
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:18.119
Suddenly it's just all go, isn't it?

1135
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:21.119
We're on the street and the plot just moves.

1136
00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:22.860
God, this looks good.

1137
00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:27.300
It's also kind of ripped off Terminator, isn't it?

1138
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:34.139
You know, it's identical to that scene of the T 1000 arriving.

1139
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.360
Now we're all watching, see?

1140
00:49:39.420 --> 00:49:42.960
We've got we've got in a good way now. problem, isn't it?

1141
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.480
Just nice cinematography as well.

1142
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:48.179
You know, even when there are no effects jobs, it's just lit with

1143
00:49:48.179 --> 00:49:49.079
a bit of care.

1144
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.980
These night sheets are always difficult. remember where we park.

1145
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.039
I just remember the tracking shot of them coming out there.

1146
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:00.599
Yeah, but where does that even come from?

1147
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.719
We're in full on comedy 80s music now, aren't we?

1148
00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:05.880
It's like, da, da, da, da, da, da.

1149
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:11.219
And that shot bang, like suddenly this is not like, I don't know

1150
00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:13.139
what they've been doing for the last half a dozen hours while the

1151
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:16.980
sun's coming up, but suddenly we're in this like aggressively

1152
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:18.059
contemporary world.

1153
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:20.159
We've never seen this on Star Trek before.

1154
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.900
And it's so bizarre.

1155
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:24.780
There was some talk apparently about whether they should change

1156
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:25.320
clothes.

1157
00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:29.820
And Nemoy was in San Francisco scouting and just went, nah, no

1158
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:30.719
one's going to look twice.

1159
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:31.920
We'll be fine.

1160
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.480
Just be in a minute where he says, come on, just blend in, will

1161
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.019
you?

1162
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:41.159
It's like a bunch of Star Trek fans out on the street, isn't it?

1163
00:50:41.219 --> 00:50:42.119
Looking up here awkwardly.

1164
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:42.659
Exactly.

1165
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:48.179
And I think this is the beginning of there is no money in the

1166
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:48.360
future.

1167
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.500
I think this is the 1st time this is made explicit because even in

1168
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:57.539
the previous film, McCoy is trying to raise money to barter a ship

1169
00:50:57.539 --> 00:51:02.099
charter a ship, rather, and certainly in the original series

1170
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:06.300
people, you know, buy triples with credits and Kirk says things

1171
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:08.880
like, you're going to earn your salaries today.

1172
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:12.599
But this is the beginning of there is no money in the future, which

1173
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.400
then just becomes axiomatic in TNG.

1174
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:17.699
In Next Generation, and then in DS9, obviously you've got the

1175
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:18.480
Ferengi.

1176
00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:20.639
So there's a lot. kind of duck pedal on that, yeah.

1177
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:21.840
Yeah, so then it becomes, yeah.

1178
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:28.139
Strips and slips and, and, and, and, and...

1179
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:28.800
Yes.

1180
00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:31.800
Oh, I love how they cover this with a line, don't they?

1181
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:34.139
So it'll be his gift again, wouldn't it?

1182
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.679
And presumably every time the glasses go through this cycle.

1183
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:39.360
They get more and more...

1184
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:40.019
They never caused.

1185
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:40.739
Yeah, yeah.

1186
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:41.639
No, they're never caused.

1187
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.340
Like he buys them again and then he does them again and it's a

1188
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:44.639
thing.

1189
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:48.119
But it was that thing that was so important in the 2nd film, wasn't

1190
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.780
it, about showing that Kirk was old, that he was getting old.

1191
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.460
That's the other thing about Star Trek 5.

1192
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.340
You know, you have these, this trilogy of films, which are, in

1193
00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:59.099
their various ways, all about, this one least of all, but the

1194
00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:02.940
other, the other 2 very much about how old Kirk is and how how

1195
00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:03.780
Nakate is.

1196
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.320
And then as soon as William Shatner gets control of the means of

1197
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.900
production, he's like, he's incredibly very well.

1198
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:11.880
Look he's climbing up a mountain and there's nothing this man

1199
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:12.300
can't do.

1200
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:15.659
But there is like a whole episode in that.

1201
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:16.679
It's one line.

1202
00:52:16.739 --> 00:52:18.780
It's one, it's a gag effectively.

1203
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.599
I mean, that's what they do in times arrow, isn't it?

1204
00:52:21.659 --> 00:52:22.139
data's head.

1205
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.480
It's like, oh, we've got to leave it there to find it again in the

1206
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:24.719
future.

1207
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.420
I think that what's really interesting is all that stuff about not

1208
00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:36.000
changing the past has not yet come into being here either, and

1209
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.340
they just don't give a shit and they do all sorts of really fun

1210
00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:41.099
things, and they paper over it with a line from Scotty.

1211
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:46.139
So there is, you know, a little thing, but I just, oh, what is

1212
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:46.980
exchange?

1213
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.659
God, you can chap your phone down.

1214
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.059
Exact change playing is on a bus.

1215
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:51.840
It is so annoying.

1216
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:57.360
I love all of this.

1217
00:52:57.480 --> 00:52:58.320
A lot?

1218
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:01.500
No, we're not, no, it's just glimpses of, no, we're all out in San

1219
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:01.980
Francisco.

1220
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1221
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:05.639
But we don't know what this argument's all about.

1222
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.719
So great.

1223
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:11.940
I'm thinking about transparent aluminum is odd as well.

1224
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.380
Why does it have to be transparent?

1225
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:13.920
Who cares?

1226
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:16.440
You want to see them?

1227
00:53:18.539 --> 00:53:21.719
Julian's gonna want to know how they're getting on.

1228
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:26.460
But is that what the is that what the windows are made of in the

1229
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:26.639
future?

1230
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:28.199
One of these, yes.

1231
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:31.199
Yeah, but also they couldn't really afford any of them in the

1232
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:32.039
enterprise, basically.

1233
00:53:32.099 --> 00:53:35.760
Aluminum to use the American pronunciation is not tough.

1234
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.260
It's flexible.

1235
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.320
You use it to make airplanes outer because it's light.

1236
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:42.599
Surely it should be transparent.

1237
00:53:42.659 --> 00:53:43.619
I overthinking this, aren't I?

1238
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.639
My stomach turned a little bit here, aluminum in an English accent

1239
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:48.599
then, if I'm honest.

1240
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.579
I apologise.

1241
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:51.900
The pair of them.

1242
00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:53.159
Well, where is Alameda?

1243
00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:58.079
And this was Nemoy as director just throwing extras at them and

1244
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.300
saying, make something up and I'll just keep shooting until we get

1245
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:00.840
something good.

1246
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:07.739
That cop, I believe, is the unit security guy making sure that...

1247
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:08.099
Okay.

1248
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:12.119
And he just said, said to him, just like stare blankly and get a

1249
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:12.659
couple of shots.

1250
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.320
There we go.

1251
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:16.619
His 1st appearance, but not last, the punk on the bus.

1252
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.820
Yes.

1253
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.719
Yeah.

1254
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.980
He has learned some manners, though, by the time, you know, 2024

1255
00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:25.679
hits or whenever that series is set.

1256
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.940
I think that's adorable that they did that.

1257
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.139
And, um, you know, it's cheesy as hell and but they're allowed to

1258
00:54:34.139 --> 00:54:34.500
have it.

1259
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.659
We've waited a long time, I think.

1260
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.179
And this kind of wish fulfilment stuff is always good and this

1261
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:39.960
kind of film, isn't it?

1262
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:41.639
You'll wish we could be spot.

1263
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:42.659
We all wish we could do this.

1264
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.480
Oh, have you not tried this then?

1265
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:46.440
It doesn't go down.

1266
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.500
You get accused of all sorts.

1267
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.820
Well, look, he does that. absolute comedy reaction to being, you

1268
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:57.719
know, Vulcan neck pinched and everything's applauding.

1269
00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:59.340
It's so great.

1270
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.360
So good.

1271
00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:06.900
I love this too, the gym conversation too.

1272
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.579
There's time, isn't it?

1273
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.920
There's time for very sweet character moments in this.

1274
00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:12.719
Yeah, yeah.

1275
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:14.699
But this is this ongoing thing.

1276
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.820
Like, like Spock does have an arc here.

1277
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.579
We talked through it, but there's that lovely moment at the

1278
00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:22.380
beginning when the computer asks him, how do you feel?

1279
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:23.340
How do you feel?

1280
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.760
It knows that he's half human and it is, yes, it's Spock being

1281
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:27.420
reassembled.

1282
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.500
And yeah, if the next film hadn't been Star Trek 5, we might have

1283
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:35.400
seen a bit more detail that, like, is this the same Spock that we

1284
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:40.079
got to know the original series or is this some new version that's

1285
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.739
been...

1286
00:55:40.739 --> 00:55:43.260
I mean, I think we resolve it, don't we, with the question where

1287
00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:46.980
he just asks them to send the message to his mother that he feels

1288
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:47.400
fine.

1289
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:50.940
And I love that as the resolution as well, that it's just so

1290
00:55:50.940 --> 00:55:54.000
simple, that it's, you know, just so straightforward.

1291
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:57.719
It's also, that's the other thing I say to my behalf all the

1292
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:57.900
time.

1293
00:55:57.960 --> 00:55:58.860
How do you feel?

1294
00:55:58.920 --> 00:55:59.820
How do you feel?

1295
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:03.239
And, again, not being a soundtrack fan, it has to be a clue.

1296
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.159
Oh, here she is.

1297
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:05.760
Gillian.

1298
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:11.099
This is an actress that has to hold her own against Shatner.

1299
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:12.780
I think she does extremely.

1300
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.519
In fact, she just quoted a saying on the sentency that several

1301
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.260
times in this movie.

1302
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.440
She had to say, look, Leonard, would you just get Shatner out of

1303
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:23.219
my light place?

1304
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:24.420
It's in my show.

1305
00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:27.780
I think you do have to be.

1306
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.420
I mean, she does a caveat, but I absolutely love Bill.

1307
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.659
But I'm now about to insult him a lot, you know what I mean?

1308
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:34.619
Bless her.

1309
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.219
So is she's the mum in 7th heaven.

1310
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.840
And the dad is Decker from Star Trek, the motion picture.

1311
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:47.699
And so she's sort of TV famous, which means that, you know, like

1312
00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:50.820
she does look very familiar, I think.

1313
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:53.039
Well, she looks like every.

1314
00:56:53.099 --> 00:56:54.119
I think she's tremendous.

1315
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.400
Every 80s rob-com heroin, doesn't she?

1316
00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:57.119
Yeah.

1317
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.199
She's Big Ryan.

1318
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.340
She's...

1319
00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:04.139
Look at this kid with the camera and the blonde on my face. old

1320
00:57:04.139 --> 00:57:05.340
woman getting flashbacks.

1321
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.820
She only gets one line now, woman, and she makes it count.

1322
00:57:09.059 --> 00:57:11.400
It's something about eccentric.

1323
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:12.179
I actually think...

1324
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:16.380
I think Bill does some superb comedy here.

1325
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:19.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. when he's reacting.

1326
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:23.519
So I actually think that this is nearly impossible to watch, and

1327
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.000
this is one of the things which makes it very period, is that this

1328
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.619
scene takes place, and we get in shot all of this footage of these

1329
00:57:31.619 --> 00:57:34.320
whales being like sawn up and dismembered.

1330
00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:37.500
I think it's like, I just can't imagine you would do it.

1331
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.059
It's really horrible to watch.

1332
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.760
And so she says at the time that humpback whales, there's only

1333
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:49.559
like 10,000 of them, and they're extremely endangered, um, they're

1334
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:54.480
not endangered anymore, um, and there's like 150,000 of them

1335
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.099
apparently now.

1336
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.880
And this is part of the, do you know what I mean?

1337
00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:02.760
Like, I don't know what role this silly film played in it.

1338
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:07.739
But it certainly is the public consciousness reflected by making

1339
00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:12.300
this the focus of the film that eventually says we can't keep

1340
00:58:12.300 --> 00:58:12.900
doing this.

1341
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.119
You absolutely need to see it, though.

1342
00:58:15.179 --> 00:58:17.940
Like as viscerals, as horrific as that.

1343
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.420
Just to make the point of this terrible thing that's happening.

1344
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:26.519
Well, and what awaits George and Gracie at the end of the film.

1345
00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:29.099
It's interesting though that you see it on a small TV screen.

1346
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:30.960
They sort of don't go in, do they?

1347
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.059
It's pretty great.

1348
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.000
Imagine watching that on a full-time cinema screen if you actually

1349
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.139
had it full screen.

1350
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:38.460
It would be horrible.

1351
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.099
Oh, these are puppets, aren't they?

1352
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:43.800
For the most part, yeah, I thought they were.

1353
00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:47.099
Yeah, there's about 20 seconds of actual well footage.

1354
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.380
And this is all pieced together as well.

1355
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.280
There's some stuff on location at the at some real Marine

1356
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:53.699
Institute.

1357
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.360
There's some stuff, yeah, shot on the back lot or the car park at

1358
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:58.320
Paramount Studios.

1359
00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:01.019
There's some effects work, stitching it together.

1360
00:59:02.340 --> 00:59:05.400
Yeah, they have these big puppets in the pool.

1361
00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:08.460
I landed on the fact that, whoa, isn't it, a remarkable

1362
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:11.820
coincidence that we've got, we've got 2 whales, a male one, a

1363
00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:12.719
female.

1364
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.519
In captivity, right in front of us.

1365
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:14.880
Yeah.

1366
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:16.440
Not only that one of them's pregnant.

1367
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:18.659
But they did go there.

1368
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:19.559
Do you know what I mean?

1369
00:59:19.619 --> 00:59:21.900
They did there for they did go there for that purpose.

1370
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.199
You still have the Adam and Eve problem of how does the 2nd

1371
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:26.219
generation come apart?

1372
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:29.519
come about if Grace is, yeah, let's try not to think about it.

1373
00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:31.199
Wells are tarts, it's fine.

1374
00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:37.980
But again, I think that the having the whales in captivity is

1375
00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:41.880
slightly ooky as well, and I guess because it's for their safety

1376
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:47.099
but I just don't think we would be hugely happy about a Cetacean

1377
00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:50.940
Institute that had a big ass tank with 2 humpback whales in it.

1378
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:57.420
I live in Sydney and we do get humpback whales coming into Sydney

1379
00:59:57.420 --> 01:00:02.039
Harbour, which would never have happened in the 1980s because the

1380
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.099
harbour was much filthier back then and there weren't so many

1381
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:07.980
humpback whales, but we do see them from time to time.

1382
01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:10.320
There's 2 nuns there.

1383
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:12.239
No reason, it's okay.

1384
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:12.780
I know.

1385
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.579
Do you remember when there were nuns?

1386
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:15.960
What happened to nuns?

1387
01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:17.099
They used to be the whole thing.

1388
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.159
You just imagine all these extras walking through the Paramount

1389
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.739
costume racks and they're just like picking stuff off at random.

1390
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:23.760
Like, you could be a nun.

1391
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:24.900
Can I be the nun?

1392
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:25.860
Can I be a nun?

1393
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:27.480
Sister Rack, what's Drake?

1394
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.000
Let's have one of those in there.

1395
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:32.219
I love this.

1396
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:33.719
So that's great.

1397
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.159
Pop it, though, isn't it?

1398
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:36.239
It's fantastic.

1399
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:39.780
And I think they did get complaints from some marine biologists

1400
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:42.900
saying, you know, you can't be doing this with whales and they

1401
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:45.599
have to come back and say, do you know, we know we didn't.

1402
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.039
That's made of fibreglass?

1403
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:47.880
They said, didn't they?

1404
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:49.860
How did you get that close to film them?

1405
01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:53.460
Because it just it just wasn't...

1406
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.860
And this is a no pun intended.

1407
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.260
This really is the fish out of water.

1408
01:00:58.320 --> 01:00:59.639
Yes, indeed.

1409
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:03.480
This is our heroes from a completely different time and place

1410
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.239
doing something which no contemporary person would ever dream of

1411
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:07.260
doing.

1412
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:08.039
And it was a real thing.

1413
01:01:08.099 --> 01:01:09.780
You know, this was a huge year for Paramount.

1414
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.099
Paramount had 5 of the top 10 box office films in the US this

1415
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:14.940
year.

1416
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.119
And either one or two, I can't remember, was Crocodile Dundee.

1417
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:21.539
So now this is this is the time for these these stories.

1418
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:26.940
So I have to say, because this is untitled Star Trek project, that

1419
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:28.860
Nemoy's bomb...

1420
01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:30.659
I was just going to say the same thing.

1421
01:01:32.219 --> 01:01:34.380
Fabulous underwear.

1422
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.900
He's looking pretty cold, I have to say.

1423
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:37.500
How old is he here?

1424
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:38.519
Who cares?

1425
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:39.659
He looks amazing.

1426
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:44.039
Wet hair, a bandana, I would.

1427
01:01:44.099 --> 01:01:45.900
Yeah, it's a whole thing.

1428
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.960
And look, he's trying the hell thing.

1429
01:01:49.019 --> 01:01:49.500
I love that.

1430
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.119
But it's weird because these guys are from 300 years in the

1431
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:54.420
future.

1432
01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:57.599
And in every other way, they speak exactly like we do.

1433
01:01:57.659 --> 01:02:00.780
And there's the one thing they can't cope with because they've

1434
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:03.420
been on network television for 3 years. swearing.

1435
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:08.940
Yeah, because they're TV characters from the 1960s and now we're

1436
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:12.119
in a film in 1986 where everyone swears all the time.

1437
01:02:12.179 --> 01:02:13.320
Let's dispense with that.

1438
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.239
Colourful swearing on discovery.

1439
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:16.800
Oh, I didn't.

1440
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:19.380
We've had this conversation.

1441
01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:22.260
Because they don't want them to seem like space people.

1442
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.960
I don't want them to seem like characters from the 1960s.

1443
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:26.460
It's still got to feel like Star Trek.

1444
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:33.780
That moment in like the, you know, where book leaves the ship in

1445
01:02:33.780 --> 01:02:36.840
discovery and the one that we did sort of midway through series 4

1446
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:40.860
and Michael just says shit to herself under a breath and then we

1447
01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:42.119
go to a mid-season break.

1448
01:02:42.179 --> 01:02:43.619
I think that's a massive thing.

1449
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.679
The 1st one I heard was that old Admiral to Picard in series one

1450
01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:49.679
where she goes, oh, yeah, telling you.

1451
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:50.940
Fucking nerve or something like that.

1452
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.519
Actually, I just felt like a missed opportunity because I thought

1453
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.500
if anyone was ever going to say fuck, it's admirable.

1454
01:02:55.619 --> 01:02:57.239
Yeah, for sure.

1455
01:02:57.300 --> 01:03:00.360
Joe, how do you feel about Donna saying kick its ass in Doctor

1456
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:00.659
Who?

1457
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.940
Is that... mile.

1458
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.079
That's what PG 13.

1459
01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:05.340
Yeah, yeah.

1460
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.900
And Pearl had Pearl had used the word arse in Doctor Who, with

1461
01:03:09.900 --> 01:03:11.820
Capaldi, talking about how he runs.

1462
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:13.440
She can say whatever she likes.

1463
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:20.340
I suppose this man is the closest we get to a villain, isn't it?

1464
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:21.780
when he later on...

1465
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:23.039
I like this.

1466
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:24.719
I like this scene a lot.

1467
01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:28.019
Because, you know, it's telling us what's at stake.

1468
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.320
It's a very rare scene in Star Trek where it's not one of our

1469
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.659
regulars involved in it in any way.

1470
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:34.800
And he has a point of view.

1471
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:36.840
And yeah, yeah, yeah.

1472
01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:41.039
And it pays off when she punches him in the face.

1473
01:03:41.099 --> 01:03:41.940
Do you know what I mean?

1474
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:43.920
Like where it's so good.

1475
01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:46.860
Like that's really properly good, I think. and it's great

1476
01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:48.059
characterisation for her.

1477
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:53.579
And again, he's, he's a kind of, he's a diet Coke version of this

1478
01:03:53.579 --> 01:03:55.739
stock character from these 80s comedies.

1479
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.199
You know, he's the he's the guy in Ghostbusters who gets them to

1480
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:02.219
turn off the machines, or he's Ellis in Die Hard, thinking that he

1481
01:04:02.219 --> 01:04:06.360
can coke broker a deal, which will get them all out of this

1482
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.260
position, you know, it's a it's a trope, but it's a very effective

1483
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:10.440
one.

1484
01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:13.800
And if that's the closest we get to a villainist, they really are

1485
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.420
doing something different.

1486
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:16.199
Yeah.

1487
01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:21.719
I have a problem with how Chekhov looks at this age, and it's

1488
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.239
because he doesn't have a single gray hair, and I know he was

1489
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.920
young, but he just looks like an old man who dyes his hair

1490
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:29.579
really.

1491
01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:34.380
He looks like an actor that is... picked up a script and is so

1492
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:36.300
excited that he's been given something to do.

1493
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.119
And it's seizing every opportunity.

1494
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:44.219
That whole sequence on the nuclear submarine in a bit.

1495
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.199
I love that sequence.

1496
01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:47.940
It's just so it's really good.

1497
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.519
It's just so nice for him to be doing something. and Ahura.

1498
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.519
What's so odd is that, you know, this film was such a huge

1499
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:54.119
success.

1500
01:04:54.179 --> 01:04:59.340
But they never try to repeat the trick of using the ensemble.

1501
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:04.440
I think Gates McFadden has something like 11 lines in Nemesis.

1502
01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:06.659
I mean, there is a reason for that.

1503
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:14.159
Do you know the next film that they do it in really properly is

1504
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.059
Star Trek Beyond.

1505
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.539
I think that Star Trek Beyond is massively underrated because it

1506
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:23.340
does a great job of using all of the cast and giving them all

1507
01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:24.000
something to do.

1508
01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:25.980
My favourite of the JJ films by a long way.

1509
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:28.920
Doesn't the undiscovered country get them all something to do?

1510
01:05:28.980 --> 01:05:30.900
I seems to remember all having a bit of fun in that.

1511
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:37.320
It's sort of cutting between McCoy and Kirk escaping the prison

1512
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:42.900
and Spot playing at being Miss Marple on board the Enterprise.

1513
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.619
It's that my momwayahura's naked up the sand tune doing the

1514
01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:46.980
singing.

1515
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:47.820
Oh, that's fine.

1516
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:49.139
No, that's fine.

1517
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:49.920
I love that beer.

1518
01:05:49.980 --> 01:05:50.760
The fan dance.

1519
01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:51.539
That's so great.

1520
01:05:51.659 --> 01:05:53.579
She's still got it.

1521
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.460
And this, the, the, the line where he's done too much, LDS.

1522
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:00.960
Like, he knows enough about...

1523
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:01.860
Oh, no, come on.

1524
01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:04.260
To know that if you are...

1525
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.059
So funny.

1526
01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:07.619
It's so great.

1527
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.039
And she doesn't correct them or anything. and it's such a

1528
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.179
perfectly shit mistake to make, you know, like it's just

1529
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:15.960
tremendous.

1530
01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:19.679
It's also such a weird mistake, it does sort of help us to

1531
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.920
understand why she would eventually believe that they're telling

1532
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:23.400
the truth.

1533
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.519
Because what other possible explanation could there be for

1534
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.940
somebody not knowing what LSD is, but yet seemingly knowing what

1535
01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:30.480
LSD is?

1536
01:06:30.539 --> 01:06:34.380
I don't think she actually believes they are who they say they are

1537
01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:35.639
until she's beamed on that ship.

1538
01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:42.659
I think it's when the when the whales have gone and she's got

1539
01:06:42.659 --> 01:06:45.420
nothing else and it's these windows.

1540
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.760
And she does say, look, you keep calling him Admiral.

1541
01:06:47.820 --> 01:06:49.860
Like something is going on here.

1542
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:55.500
You know, you don't know about LDS, you know, like she, something

1543
01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:57.300
but that's because she's kind of desperate.

1544
01:06:57.420 --> 01:07:00.719
She has a photographic memory for this scene and this scene only.

1545
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.599
Make her the...

1546
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:05.219
Benny Bush or Star Trek then.

1547
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:07.440
Yeah, memory Arkin.

1548
01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:08.820
Adromedry never forgets.

1549
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.480
Oh, just a dipshit as well.

1550
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:13.920
I love the word dipshit too.

1551
01:07:13.980 --> 01:07:15.719
Bring back dipshit.

1552
01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:16.920
I say it from time to time.

1553
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.440
Where it goes, Brace is pregnant.

1554
01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:21.179
The brakes are straight on.

1555
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.460
That's so good, isn't it?

1556
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:26.820
I think Nemo as a director.

1557
01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:29.039
He knows how to pace things in a scene.

1558
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:31.440
And from scene to scene as well.

1559
01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:32.460
It's incredibly good.

1560
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.980
And he doesn't hog the limelight either.

1561
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.219
Like he allows himself to be funny, but he's in the background of

1562
01:07:41.219 --> 01:07:44.340
this scene, which is basically between, you know, Jim and

1563
01:07:44.340 --> 01:07:44.820
Gillian.

1564
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:48.300
He probably whispered in the scratch, just give Shatner lots to

1565
01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:48.539
do.

1566
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:49.079
All right.

1567
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:53.280
I'll keep him out of my hair. easier for all of us.

1568
01:07:53.460 --> 01:07:56.280
The trouble is is when Shatner was directed.

1569
01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:58.679
He's whispering, give me lots to do as well, you know?

1570
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.719
And this is them just playing.

1571
01:08:03.780 --> 01:08:07.619
You know, this is them just, just, uh, on location, there's no

1572
01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:11.159
time pressure because Nemoy's planned out the schedule and they

1573
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:12.000
can just play with this.

1574
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.340
The no yes thing.

1575
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:15.300
Do you like Italian?

1576
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:16.140
No, yes, no.

1577
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:17.880
They do it a few times, don't they?

1578
01:08:17.939 --> 01:08:18.479
No.

1579
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:19.619
Yes.

1580
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.840
Oh here we go.

1581
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:24.359
Her reaction is so good.

1582
01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:27.659
She's absolutely Again, coming this with a line in the mirror

1583
01:08:27.659 --> 01:08:30.119
where he just goes, how do you know he didn't invent the thing?

1584
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.340
Yeah, yeah.

1585
01:08:32.340 --> 01:08:34.739
But I love this bluffing their way in as well.

1586
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.500
It's just... all of this with the mouse.

1587
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:38.880
Hello, computer.

1588
01:08:38.939 --> 01:08:40.439
It's so funny.

1589
01:08:40.739 --> 01:08:44.819
But like I said, this is like, why is this McCoy?

1590
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.979
There's no reason for this to be McCoy. could be anybody.

1591
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:48.479
I do like the pairing though.

1592
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.640
I like Chekhov and Ahura.

1593
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:53.760
I like Scotty and McCoy because their parents we don't really

1594
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.420
normally see.

1595
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.720
What's Sulu doing?

1596
01:08:57.779 --> 01:08:59.100
Is he tidying up?

1597
01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:01.439
It's the one scene where he checks out the window wipers on the

1598
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.420
helicopter and that's about all he gets.

1599
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:04.439
That's right.

1600
01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:06.300
He gets to fly the helicopter later.

1601
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:12.359
That's pretty good 1000000s of years. 1000000s of wine. such an

1602
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:13.140
old ham, isn't it?

1603
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:14.039
loving all of this.

1604
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:17.939
He has.

1605
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.439
He's so funny.

1606
01:09:20.579 --> 01:09:24.479
That accent is so unbelievably bad, isn't it?

1607
01:09:24.539 --> 01:09:25.560
It's just tremendous.

1608
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.779
He never could have decides to learn to do it properly.

1609
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.460
They never get a dialogue coach.

1610
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:33.420
It's just the character.

1611
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:35.939
He was master of dialect. are you talking about?

1612
01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:38.399
No accident he couldn't do.

1613
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:39.539
A version of.

1614
01:09:39.539 --> 01:09:42.359
He did all of the voices.

1615
01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:44.880
It's basically everyone in the animated series.

1616
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.619
Hello.

1617
01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:47.819
Hello.

1618
01:09:47.819 --> 01:09:48.960
Bam.

1619
01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:51.359
He's Arax. is everyone.

1620
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.359
He does incredible things with a keyboard in a minute.

1621
01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:56.939
I mean, he only talks about 5 letters and all those schematics

1622
01:09:56.939 --> 01:09:57.720
come up on the screen.

1623
01:09:58.079 --> 01:09:59.939
What an intellect.

1624
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.939
Oh, wait, it is, but is Sulu picking this guy up?

1625
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.340
I could imagine sorry.

1626
01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:09.539
Yeah, look at that smile.

1627
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:10.380
That's flirty.

1628
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:11.579
I can see that happening.

1629
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:16.079
Have you guys seen this show about his musical about Japanese

1630
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.079
Americans being interned during the Second World War?

1631
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.560
I saw it in London recently.

1632
01:10:22.619 --> 01:10:27.000
And he was in it basically kind of playing his own grandad.

1633
01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:32.399
And, uh, it's it's a, it's such a terrific story.

1634
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.380
I wish it had been a better show.

1635
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.500
There's good stuff in it.

1636
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:41.340
But it wasn't, it wasn't great, but it was sold out because George

1637
01:10:41.340 --> 01:10:42.359
Dakai was in it.

1638
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:49.439
Well, I mean, he, you know, like that experience has led him to be

1639
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:53.880
an advocate for, you know, refugees and immigrants and things.

1640
01:10:53.939 --> 01:10:58.199
And, you know, has, has, like during the Trump era, he was warning

1641
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:02.279
about what was happening to, you know, illegal Mexican immigrants

1642
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.899
or whatever, you know, like and, and he's always foregrounded

1643
01:11:06.899 --> 01:11:07.199
that.

1644
01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.220
He always talks about that.

1645
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:12.720
So, you know, being gay and having had that experience has given

1646
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.460
him all sorts of insight, I think.

1647
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:15.359
I think he's a great guy.

1648
01:11:16.979 --> 01:11:22.920
Yeah, and good for him parlaying his the extraordinary fame he got

1649
01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.579
from spending 3 years on a TV show when he wasn't filming the

1650
01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:32.939
Green Berets, uh, was, uh, yeah, to to use it to share that story

1651
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.779
which I think a lot of people, a lot of the young people, would

1652
01:11:36.779 --> 01:11:41.279
have no idea that in the land of the free, People who looked a bit

1653
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.340
like the enemy were being rounded up and stuck in internment camps

1654
01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:45.180
in the 1940s.

1655
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:46.199
I mean it's just appalling.

1656
01:11:49.260 --> 01:11:51.060
My 1st computer.

1657
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:56.159
My 1st computer was a Macintosh, like this one.

1658
01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:59.640
That's not what they, what they, you look like, but that was the

1659
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:00.300
mouse.

1660
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:00.899
Yeah.

1661
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:07.199
So the Mac comes out in 84 and I get one this year in 86 or 87.

1662
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.460
Um, and the mouse, like Windows computer, they didn't have Windows

1663
01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:13.979
computers, but IBM computers didn't have a mouse.

1664
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:15.840
So most people had never used one.

1665
01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:21.420
So having Scotty talk into one, it's a very, very up to the minute

1666
01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:21.779
joke.

1667
01:12:21.899 --> 01:12:27.359
My 1st computer was a ZX 81. which you had to plug into the TV

1668
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.060
which meant I could only use it when no one else in the house

1669
01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:31.439
wanted to watch anything.

1670
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:36.300
And next year I got a spectrum and I got a portable TV for my

1671
01:12:36.300 --> 01:12:36.539
bedroom.

1672
01:12:36.899 --> 01:12:38.699
Oh, wonderful.

1673
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:39.720
The spectrum.

1674
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:40.439
Awesome.

1675
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:44.760
I've only had computers for about 20 years and I'm 43, so I came

1676
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:45.899
to Thai.

1677
01:12:45.899 --> 01:12:48.840
I took on mobile about 10 years after everybody as well.

1678
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:51.960
Sequence, yeah, whether not now, Madeline.

1679
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:52.800
What?

1680
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.880
Why was they even in?

1681
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:56.100
Showing this future technology.

1682
01:12:56.220 --> 01:13:01.079
And I think he kind of suspects this is forbidden knowledge that

1683
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:01.920
he's not supposed to have.

1684
01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:03.899
And here's that line you were talking about.

1685
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:05.520
How do we know he didn't invent a thing?

1686
01:13:05.579 --> 01:13:08.340
Yeah, we've got this sort of series of problems.

1687
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:12.060
You know, they need the tank for the whales.

1688
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:13.380
They need money to get about.

1689
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:16.920
But the way they just get over those problems with a series of

1690
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:17.340
gags.

1691
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:20.100
That's part of the fun of this. great, isn't it?

1692
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:20.760
It's really fun.

1693
01:13:20.819 --> 01:13:22.680
Going back to TK for a second.

1694
01:13:22.739 --> 01:13:28.560
It's what they're very rare example of offscreen tension between 2

1695
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.260
actors as well, because obviously you've got decay and Shatner and

1696
01:13:31.260 --> 01:13:33.779
famously didn't get on.

1697
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:37.920
Um, I've got the only other one I can really think of is Mulgar

1698
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.640
and Jerry Ryan in Voyager, where we're aware of the fact that

1699
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:43.079
there was tension on the set.

1700
01:13:43.260 --> 01:13:46.859
I can sometimes see it, you know, when TK is acting against

1701
01:13:46.859 --> 01:13:47.640
Shatner.

1702
01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:52.140
No, it's getting all the clothes on.

1703
01:13:52.739 --> 01:13:56.699
Why doesn't why doesn't why doesn't Nimoy join them for dinner?

1704
01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:57.779
Because he'll be behind the camera.

1705
01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:58.619
He'll be busy.

1706
01:13:58.680 --> 01:13:59.579
Yeah.

1707
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:00.779
Yeah, it's a bit weird.

1708
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.100
And the transporter effects are weird in this film as well.

1709
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.619
There's a swing on transport.

1710
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:11.340
No, but I mean, there's a shot there of Nemoy being transported

1711
01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:12.180
while walking.

1712
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:18.180
And then at the end, when Gillian leaps onto Kirk and they get

1713
01:14:18.180 --> 01:14:19.560
transported together, it's a bit weird.

1714
01:14:20.100 --> 01:14:21.720
So relaxing.

1715
01:14:21.779 --> 01:14:25.140
Yeah, normally you have your own... so charming in this area.

1716
01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:27.720
Although I'm perfectly convinced that Shatner still thinks he's

1717
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.000
like 20 years old, the way he's playing this thing.

1718
01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:34.439
But like we said before on this, the charisma that he brings to

1719
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:34.800
that role.

1720
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:37.619
Like you can rat him and you can say he behaved terribly on set

1721
01:14:37.619 --> 01:14:38.640
and all of these things.

1722
01:14:38.699 --> 01:14:41.880
But all of that's nothing to what he actually brings to the

1723
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:43.680
original series of what he brings to these movies.

1724
01:14:43.739 --> 01:14:44.220
Oh, absolutely.

1725
01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:45.659
He's incredibly watchable.

1726
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:51.420
When I did my Trekaday project, I'd really, I'd seen like 3 or 4

1727
01:14:51.420 --> 01:14:54.239
episodes of the original series that I could remember.

1728
01:14:54.300 --> 01:14:55.680
I grew up watching the movies.

1729
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.640
And so I started by watching The Cage.

1730
01:14:59.699 --> 01:15:05.460
And I was restruck by the fact that as leading men go, Jeffrey

1731
01:15:05.460 --> 01:15:06.720
Hunters, a bit dull.

1732
01:15:06.779 --> 01:15:08.100
You said that recently?

1733
01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:09.659
He's terrible.

1734
01:15:09.659 --> 01:15:11.220
He's possibly a better actor.

1735
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.640
I don't know. hard to judge on the basis of this one episode, but

1736
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.600
as soon as we get to the actual transmitted episodes, and it's

1737
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:20.159
Chatner, you can see the improvement.

1738
01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:23.159
And I think the difference is that they've tried to kind of bring

1739
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.859
some drama to the character of Pike by having him be a bit

1740
01:15:25.859 --> 01:15:29.699
beleaguered and a bit. characterise him doesn't help, does it, in

1741
01:15:29.699 --> 01:15:30.420
that 1st episode?

1742
01:15:30.539 --> 01:15:34.260
No, but the what's important is that Kirk likes being captain of

1743
01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:37.079
the Enterprise, and then possibly even more importantly, William

1744
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.420
Shatner loves being Captain Kirk.

1745
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:40.859
That's everything.

1746
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.239
That suddenly kind of shines a sun on proceedings.

1747
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:49.500
The end of episode's not the Doomsday machine where, you know

1748
01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:50.579
Winnow of Shadow.

1749
01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:53.880
When he tries to get me out of here now, just as he's about to die

1750
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:55.079
horrible.

1751
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:57.720
And we were like, this is as good as Star Trek's ever been, you

1752
01:15:57.720 --> 01:15:58.319
know, then.

1753
01:15:58.319 --> 01:15:58.859
Yeah.

1754
01:15:59.220 --> 01:16:01.439
Yeah, he's magnificent.

1755
01:16:01.500 --> 01:16:03.239
This, by the way, is a set.

1756
01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:05.880
This was all built in the studio, this restaurant.

1757
01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:08.760
I think it's just because they could control it more.

1758
01:16:08.819 --> 01:16:11.819
This kind of thing, you know, you come in, you have to close a

1759
01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:13.500
restaurant, take it over.

1760
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.619
You've got to replace all of the diners and all of the staff with

1761
01:16:16.619 --> 01:16:18.060
extras anyway.

1762
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.119
So this is a longish scene.

1763
01:16:21.180 --> 01:16:22.319
May as well just build it.

1764
01:16:22.979 --> 01:16:25.560
Wow. saying it's so nice.

1765
01:16:25.619 --> 01:16:27.960
It's just there's no space dialogue in this at all.

1766
01:16:28.020 --> 01:16:29.340
They're talking about real things.

1767
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.159
It's sort of believable dialogue.

1768
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:35.279
It's so not star, isn't it?

1769
01:16:35.340 --> 01:16:36.180
I know we keep saying that.

1770
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:40.319
And it's shot a bit boringly. of medium close-up, reverse shot.

1771
01:16:40.380 --> 01:16:44.039
But what that means is that they capture the performances.

1772
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:48.659
And I don't know if they've shot this with 2 cameras, but it feels

1773
01:16:48.659 --> 01:16:50.100
very fluid. very natural.

1774
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:53.039
You know that dinner scene in when Harry Met Sally, you know, when

1775
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:54.180
she has the orgasm at the table?

1776
01:16:54.539 --> 01:16:55.079
Of course, yes.

1777
01:16:55.140 --> 01:16:56.579
I think our shot exactly like this.

1778
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:57.720
It's not blur your eyes.

1779
01:16:57.779 --> 01:16:59.640
You could actually be watching that instead.

1780
01:16:59.699 --> 01:17:01.800
I told you never to...

1781
01:17:01.859 --> 01:17:03.000
She thinks he's communicator.

1782
01:17:03.060 --> 01:17:05.340
That's so great, isn't it?

1783
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:06.720
Like, why is he saying that?

1784
01:17:06.779 --> 01:17:07.619
That's so strange.

1785
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:11.399
So that doesn't look like a Star Trek communicator, though.

1786
01:17:11.460 --> 01:17:12.779
It doesn't do the slippy opening.

1787
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:13.739
Is it a Klingon communicator?

1788
01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:16.500
Maybe it's a phaser doesn't either though, does he?

1789
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:18.000
I thought the phase looked weird in this.

1790
01:17:18.060 --> 01:17:19.560
The one that Chekhov has.

1791
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:20.399
So maybe they are.

1792
01:17:20.460 --> 01:17:23.399
Is this the any Star Trek film in which a phaser is never fired?

1793
01:17:23.460 --> 01:17:25.800
This is the most quoted lines, isn't it, from this movie?

1794
01:17:25.859 --> 01:17:27.359
Don't tell me you're from outer space.

1795
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:28.560
No, I'm from Iowa.

1796
01:17:28.619 --> 01:17:30.420
I just work it out, I suppose, yeah.

1797
01:17:34.500 --> 01:17:36.539
She's so good.

1798
01:17:39.659 --> 01:17:43.079
I can only imagine this was like a battle behind the scenes

1799
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:44.279
between the 2 actors.

1800
01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:47.520
It's going to be the most show. really funny, isn't it?

1801
01:17:47.579 --> 01:17:50.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're both being as charming as hell

1802
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:51.000
aren't they?

1803
01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:53.939
It's 1st date charming, I think, despite the fact that he's

1804
01:17:53.939 --> 01:17:57.180
admitting to being from out of space and she thinks he's crazy.

1805
01:17:57.300 --> 01:17:59.640
That sort of coy look.

1806
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.920
She just gave him there a 2nd ago.

1807
01:18:01.979 --> 01:18:04.859
That's exactly how I behave on a date. you know, you get whatever

1808
01:18:04.859 --> 01:18:05.220
you want.

1809
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:10.500
So why does he say what in your calendar would be called the 23rd

1810
01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:11.220
century too?

1811
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.079
Because they're all stardates.

1812
01:18:13.140 --> 01:18:14.760
Yeah, that's right.

1813
01:18:14.819 --> 01:18:19.140
In fact, the posters had, didn't they have Stardate 1986, like on

1814
01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:20.579
some of the promotional posters.

1815
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:22.859
One of the things I'd forgotten about Enterprise is the fact that

1816
01:18:22.859 --> 01:18:25.199
what does he call it?

1817
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.800
Captain's Starlog, Spacelog, something stupid like that, but he

1818
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.180
says no, 25th of October.

1819
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.199
I was like, what are you doing?

1820
01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:32.579
Yeah, mate, come on.

1821
01:18:32.579 --> 01:18:37.619
Do you remember Zap Brannigan in Futurama, giving the, you know

1822
01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:39.899
Stardate, May the 17th.4.

1823
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:41.399
You know, like.

1824
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.939
They should do it.

1825
01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:50.100
I was watching her body language there because obviously I can't

1826
01:18:50.100 --> 01:18:50.399
hear this.

1827
01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:52.380
She wasn't wasting a moment in that scene.

1828
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:56.399
No, but this is one of those stupid things where they sit down to

1829
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.640
have a meal, but we don't have time for the meal because we do the

1830
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:00.060
next thing.

1831
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.600
And we just take the pizzas with us, which is a little bit crap, I

1832
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:03.840
think.

1833
01:19:03.899 --> 01:19:06.539
Okay, so here we are on board the Enterprise.

1834
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.539
So this is the point where Alfie got up and started barking at the

1835
01:19:12.539 --> 01:19:12.899
screen.

1836
01:19:14.939 --> 01:19:17.880
But the dog goes away quite quickly.

1837
01:19:17.939 --> 01:19:22.199
They do decide to sleep. away from this subplot now though, don't

1838
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:22.380
they?

1839
01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:23.699
And give it all to check off.

1840
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:28.500
Yeah, but I mean, Chekhov becomes, you know, Princess Paige at

1841
01:19:28.500 --> 01:19:28.800
this point.

1842
01:19:28.859 --> 01:19:32.039
He's just a damsel in distress who needs, you know, rescuing.

1843
01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:34.319
But he gets that wonderful scene where he's interrogated.

1844
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:37.319
Oh yeah, that is pretty great.

1845
01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:39.239
But then he just wanders off, doesn't he?

1846
01:19:39.300 --> 01:19:41.039
Like, I don't know what.

1847
01:19:41.100 --> 01:19:42.479
Well, no, then you get the...

1848
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.359
Then you get the wonderful thing... and I have to rescue him.

1849
01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:48.720
Again, it's just a series of comic misadventures.

1850
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.579
This is all a bit weird as well and they have to get these photons

1851
01:19:53.579 --> 01:19:56.819
in order to juice up the ship again.

1852
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:58.920
It's just something to do, yeah.

1853
01:19:58.979 --> 01:20:00.899
Yeah, it's all a bit bollocks, isn't it?

1854
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:02.939
So we had the thing.

1855
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.899
We had the thing where the Klingon thing needed re-crystallizing

1856
01:20:06.899 --> 01:20:10.920
but I think they just wanted him to appear on the street going, do

1857
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:13.199
you know where I can find some nuclear wrestles?

1858
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:16.380
You know, like, they absolutely, like, that's clearly the whole

1859
01:20:16.380 --> 01:20:18.539
reason behind that plot and then everything else comes along

1860
01:20:18.539 --> 01:20:20.039
afterwards.

1861
01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:21.000
It's very funny.

1862
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:22.439
It's pretty great.

1863
01:20:23.220 --> 01:20:25.800
I love how she doesn't trust him yet.

1864
01:20:25.859 --> 01:20:27.239
It's so good, isn't it?

1865
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.979
Yeah, it's what we said before, Nathan.

1866
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:35.399
It's a believable relationship between a man and a woman in Star

1867
01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:41.220
Trek. that's rare Yeah, and I, but I also like how it ends up, but

1868
01:20:41.220 --> 01:20:44.460
it's kind of like the moment that she's in the 23rd century. like

1869
01:20:44.460 --> 01:20:46.500
off you go grandad.

1870
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.300
I'll be given this whole position.

1871
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:49.020
Who are you again?

1872
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:50.460
That's right.

1873
01:20:50.579 --> 01:20:55.859
Probably the 2nd best male-female relationship in a Star Trek film

1874
01:20:55.859 --> 01:20:57.300
is Data and the Borg queen.

1875
01:20:57.359 --> 01:20:59.159
I mean, that's all we're dealing with here.

1876
01:20:59.220 --> 01:21:00.359
I don't know what.

1877
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:02.460
It's about me, but that is hot as hell, isn't it?

1878
01:21:02.579 --> 01:21:04.979
It is kind of hard, isn't it?

1879
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:08.399
I quite like that woman in insurrection, I have to say, which is

1880
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:09.000
not...

1881
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.340
I don't remember anything about insurrection at all.

1882
01:21:12.060 --> 01:21:15.960
I just remember that that woman was sort of beautiful and her and

1883
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.420
Picard were quite good together, I think.

1884
01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:20.939
But yes, it's a bit of a nothing film.

1885
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:28.439
It's like a sort of mid-season 2 parter from series.

1886
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:29.520
It's the Gambit.

1887
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:31.079
The Gambit of the movies, isn't it?

1888
01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:32.460
Yeah, Gambit.

1889
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:32.880
That's it.

1890
01:21:32.939 --> 01:21:33.180
Exactly.

1891
01:21:33.659 --> 01:21:37.619
Like Gambit, it's all told in the wrong order, which is peculiar.

1892
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.119
Ridiculous.

1893
01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:40.140
Yeah.

1894
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:43.739
Do you think they know when they're making the movie, sort of like

1895
01:21:43.739 --> 01:21:46.140
oh, this isn't one of the great ones, you know, whilst they're

1896
01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:46.500
making it?

1897
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:50.760
Well, there's a lovely quote from Ron Moore and Brunnan Brugger on

1898
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:52.140
the commentary for generations.

1899
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.420
Oh, it's a great comedy, isn't it?

1900
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:54.779
Yeah.

1901
01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:58.020
They say we had like 5 months to write the script for generations

1902
01:21:58.020 --> 01:22:02.399
and then we took 2 weeks out to write the finale of the TV show

1903
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:04.020
and then went back on the movie.

1904
01:22:04.020 --> 01:22:07.020
And at a certain point as the movie was being made, They kind of

1905
01:22:07.020 --> 01:22:10.079
looked at each other and went, a TV episode, it's better.

1906
01:22:10.619 --> 01:22:13.140
Yeah, the one that cost...

1907
01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:17.039
Mind you, the TV episode is not that great, though, because it is

1908
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.399
the big swirly thing in space, you know, summing up.

1909
01:22:20.460 --> 01:22:21.779
You know, like it's got...

1910
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.100
Oh, his generation stuff.

1911
01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.319
They just got a streak of gray in his hand.

1912
01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:26.399
It's sitting in an armchair.

1913
01:22:26.460 --> 01:22:27.779
I will not hear a word said again.

1914
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:28.500
He's pretty exciting.

1915
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.260
That is an episode of TNG.

1916
01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:36.659
But, you know, I think, I mean, we were given the chance to miss

1917
01:22:36.659 --> 01:22:37.560
these people.

1918
01:22:37.619 --> 01:22:41.819
I, you know, like you, Tom came to these people through the movies

1919
01:22:41.819 --> 01:22:47.640
but, you know, that those ridiculous slow pans over the enterprise

1920
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:51.000
in Star Trek, the motionless picture, that they make so much fun

1921
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.340
of in lower decks.

1922
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:57.300
Like they're earned because they were away for a long time and we

1923
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:58.380
missed...

1924
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.199
I was live texting you when I was watching the motion picture for

1925
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.500
the 1st time going, they're still going around the ship.

1926
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:06.720
Oh, man.

1927
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:11.340
It had been my secret plan to have you watch that film for the 1st

1928
01:23:11.340 --> 01:23:13.619
time during a recording.

1929
01:23:13.619 --> 01:23:17.939
Although if you can't hear it, what the best thing about that film

1930
01:23:17.939 --> 01:23:19.920
is the sound design.

1931
01:23:19.979 --> 01:23:21.840
The sound design is genuinely amazing.

1932
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:23.159
I felt visually.

1933
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:24.720
Just because it was so weird.

1934
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.819
We love it when Star Trek goes.

1935
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.479
Yeah, but I don't have a fix for this, but I know the problem, the

1936
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:35.100
story problem with motion picture, it's that the whole 1st half of

1937
01:23:35.100 --> 01:23:39.720
the film is about Decker's relationship with Kirk, and that's

1938
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:40.380
never resolved.

1939
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:45.720
As soon as the AEA probe becomes the thing everyone's focussing on

1940
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:47.819
Decker's just one of the guys.

1941
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:52.800
And so all that, all that buildup in the 1st half, they'd never do

1942
01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:53.279
anything with it.

1943
01:23:53.340 --> 01:23:56.279
I'm glad you told me that then, because it's quite telling that I

1944
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:57.779
never actually got to the end of the movie.

1945
01:23:58.380 --> 01:23:59.819
Wow.

1946
01:23:59.819 --> 01:24:00.420
Thank you for that.

1947
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.399
Can you I think it's worth seeing.

1948
01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:06.659
I think it's Star Trek phase 2 interfering with the movie.

1949
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.380
But it's why, you know, because they're, it's why what Maya did on

1950
01:24:10.380 --> 01:24:13.500
Star Trek 2 is so extraordinary because both motion picture and

1951
01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:17.579
Star Trek 2 are bits and pieces of mongrel scripts that have been

1952
01:24:17.579 --> 01:24:21.359
jammed together to make a movie, but Maya was able to think about

1953
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:24.600
the whole movie and think about how things set up here are going

1954
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:27.300
to pay off there and make it actually about something.

1955
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.119
Whereas motion picture is just a cut and shut.

1956
01:24:30.180 --> 01:24:33.960
It's just shove these bits together and hope that the grandeur

1957
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:34.619
carries us through.

1958
01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.260
And sometimes it does.

1959
01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.899
Yeah, I think it kind of does.

1960
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:44.279
Two fixes for Star Trek movies you've done so far during the

1961
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:44.760
voice.

1962
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:46.380
One fix and one.

1963
01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:47.279
Here's your problem right here.

1964
01:24:47.340 --> 01:24:48.060
What cowboy did there?

1965
01:24:48.060 --> 01:24:49.319
44 minutes left of the movie.

1966
01:24:49.380 --> 01:24:52.199
You could do the rest in that time..

1967
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.420
Oh no, Paul Chekov.

1968
01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:02.579
I mean, as I said, this is it's not a Star Trek film, but he does

1969
01:25:02.579 --> 01:25:03.479
know what it is.

1970
01:25:03.539 --> 01:25:06.239
And that is that is so crucial.

1971
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:09.840
Yeah, this is a lovely scene.

1972
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:13.979
Well, the line that we often say, when we're talking about Star

1973
01:25:13.979 --> 01:25:14.939
Trek.

1974
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.439
Is that what he's looking at?

1975
01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:17.939
It's about something.

1976
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.699
Because the worst Star Trek is the ones where it's not about

1977
01:25:20.699 --> 01:25:21.000
anything.

1978
01:25:21.060 --> 01:25:22.199
Yeah.

1979
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:26.159
And that's the biggest problem with five, 5 believes that it's

1980
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:28.380
about something and actually isn't about anything at all.

1981
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:31.560
It's nonsense, isn't it?

1982
01:25:31.619 --> 01:25:33.180
Like, it's really...

1983
01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:34.619
Absolute bollocks.

1984
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:35.640
Unbelievable.

1985
01:25:35.699 --> 01:25:36.779
This dialogue here.

1986
01:25:36.899 --> 01:25:38.039
My name?

1987
01:25:38.100 --> 01:25:38.760
No, my name.

1988
01:25:38.819 --> 01:25:40.260
I do not know your name.

1989
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:42.060
This is old just right.

1990
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:44.579
This is like...

1991
01:25:44.579 --> 01:25:47.159
Star Trek meets Abbott and Costello. on the top.

1992
01:25:47.220 --> 01:25:48.239
The top of what?

1993
01:25:51.300 --> 01:25:56.220
So, but it is, and it is kind of wonderful that, you know, he's a

1994
01:25:56.220 --> 01:25:59.039
Russian on the bridge of the enterprise of when he sort of comes

1995
01:25:59.039 --> 01:25:59.340
on.

1996
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:01.979
He has that Russian pride thing, doesn't he?

1997
01:26:01.979 --> 01:26:08.039
in sort of series 2 when he 1st sort of comes on. and but he has

1998
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:12.960
no idea about what made it such a strange thing for him to be on

1999
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:16.859
the bridge of the enterprise in a TV show in the 1960s.

2000
01:26:16.979 --> 01:26:19.140
You know, he just doesn't know about the Cold War at all.

2001
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:20.819
It's weird looking phaser as well.

2002
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:22.500
I'm sorry guys.

2003
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:23.880
I'm going to disagree with you again.

2004
01:26:24.060 --> 01:26:25.380
The music in this scene is great.

2005
01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:29.640
But very period.

2006
01:26:29.699 --> 01:26:32.579
Like it's not Star Trek music. devastated.

2007
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:35.699
I can't hear it right now. somebody does attempt to fire a phaser

2008
01:26:35.699 --> 01:26:36.420
there, but it doesn't work.

2009
01:26:37.619 --> 01:26:41.640
The look on Chekhov's face as well when you realise, oh, good shit

2010
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:42.840
I'm just holding a toy, basically.

2011
01:26:42.899 --> 01:26:44.880
It just throws me out.

2012
01:26:45.180 --> 01:26:48.779
And people are chasing him with guns, but we don't have that, as

2013
01:26:48.779 --> 01:26:54.899
far as I can remember, that action 80s cliche of bullet spray

2014
01:26:54.899 --> 01:26:58.979
everywhere and sparks going off and it's, it is, you know, it's

2015
01:26:58.979 --> 01:27:02.939
it's keeping its, it's rom-com feel even through the action

2016
01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:03.479
sequences.

2017
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:07.079
This is utterly indulgent because we don't need him to fall down.

2018
01:27:07.140 --> 01:27:08.880
We don't need the sequence in the hospital.

2019
01:27:08.939 --> 01:27:10.920
None of that needs to happen for the block to work.

2020
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.020
Well, it's jeopardy.

2021
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:15.479
It's just making a journey.

2022
01:27:15.539 --> 01:27:24.300
It's also It's also bringing Gillian back. because she now has to

2023
01:27:24.300 --> 01:27:28.260
help them get him back out, get Chekhov back out of the hospital

2024
01:27:28.260 --> 01:27:32.939
and that unites them because without that, they would take off and

2025
01:27:32.939 --> 01:27:33.300
leave her.

2026
01:27:33.420 --> 01:27:36.600
Yeah, they're nearly going to do that anyway.

2027
01:27:36.659 --> 01:27:40.199
She's got the basketball under her thing and she's going, oh, oh.

2028
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:44.520
And she becomes part of she becomes part of the gang then.

2029
01:27:44.579 --> 01:27:45.600
Those set pieces.

2030
01:27:45.659 --> 01:27:48.180
Yeah, I don't really consider very relevant.

2031
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:50.159
That's my favourite part of the movie.

2032
01:27:50.220 --> 01:27:51.539
Yeah.

2033
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:53.399
Well, that's it.

2034
01:27:53.460 --> 01:27:54.359
They're enjoyable.

2035
01:27:54.420 --> 01:27:56.699
This is a sort of caper, you know, it's really fun.

2036
01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:01.859
Like, do you guys know anybody that's watched for and not enjoyed

2037
01:28:01.859 --> 01:28:02.100
it?

2038
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:03.180
I don't.

2039
01:28:03.300 --> 01:28:05.640
And that's a huge hunt.

2040
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:08.279
Yeah.

2041
01:28:08.340 --> 01:28:10.920
Someone will someone will add us somewhere.

2042
01:28:10.979 --> 01:28:12.840
Oh, I don't like it.

2043
01:28:15.060 --> 01:28:17.579
Sorry to hear you all having so much fun.

2044
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:19.260
Oh yeah, this.

2045
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:20.279
I love this.

2046
01:28:20.340 --> 01:28:23.880
This scene is so good. and some of them swine.

2047
01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:25.979
Yeah, I love it.

2048
01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:27.420
And look at that.

2049
01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:32.579
Like, They've, you know, I don't know what's happened.

2050
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:33.479
They let the water out.

2051
01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:34.199
They had a thing.

2052
01:28:34.260 --> 01:28:36.180
I mean, that's a pretty good location, I think.

2053
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:38.880
They do shoot some of it at a whale.

2054
01:28:38.939 --> 01:28:43.079
I think part of that shot was a map painting. or a miniature or

2055
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:43.319
something.

2056
01:28:43.380 --> 01:28:45.239
Now she's like, 0 my god.

2057
01:28:45.300 --> 01:28:46.319
All hope is lost.

2058
01:28:46.380 --> 01:28:47.159
What the hell do I?

2059
01:28:47.220 --> 01:28:48.300
Yes, woo hoo.

2060
01:28:48.420 --> 01:28:51.060
Oh, yeah, those crazy fuckers I met last night.

2061
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2062
01:28:53.939 --> 01:28:56.399
There's only one person who can help me now.

2063
01:28:57.060 --> 01:28:59.579
It's so good, isn't it?

2064
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:00.899
It's so well sold.

2065
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:01.920
It's so good.

2066
01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:05.520
And you know why she feels that because we've had the opportunity

2067
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:08.819
to hear her point of view about it just so thoroughly.

2068
01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.819
Like at the dinner and that previous conversation with that guy.

2069
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:15.239
I do feel that's a character that could very easily, if it had

2070
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:18.960
been miscast, could have been really annoying as well. she isn't.

2071
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:19.739
Yeah, yeah.

2072
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.079
Yeah, why is she so likeable?

2073
01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:22.979
I don't know what it is.

2074
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:24.119
She really is though.

2075
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:28.739
Oh, solo looks hot in that helicopter.

2076
01:29:30.659 --> 01:29:32.939
He's actually quite funny.

2077
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.720
I loved her anyway, but the fact that she stood up to Shatner on

2078
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:38.520
the set, it just makes me love her even more.

2079
01:29:39.899 --> 01:29:41.579
I love this.

2080
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:42.180
Look at this.

2081
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:43.739
That's so awesome.

2082
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:44.699
This is wonderful.

2083
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:47.819
She's there in the field, just waving around like a nutter, isn't

2084
01:29:47.819 --> 01:29:47.939
she?

2085
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2086
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:54.180
As it, as it sort of descends into the invisible spaceship, it's

2087
01:29:54.180 --> 01:29:54.720
so good.

2088
01:29:57.779 --> 01:30:02.039
But that sells what they had to do, you know, like the, it's very

2089
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.640
clear what needs to be done, how that's not such a good shot, is

2090
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:05.880
it?

2091
01:30:05.939 --> 01:30:06.960
Oh, much.

2092
01:30:08.939 --> 01:30:13.619
You know, like the, what they're trying to do is very clear and it

2093
01:30:13.619 --> 01:30:17.520
really tells all of that very well and just having the, you know

2094
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.039
transparent aluminum turn up at the thing.

2095
01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:23.579
So the end of this movie is, the big sort of jeopardy at the end

2096
01:30:23.579 --> 01:30:26.399
of this is that the whalers are going to kill the whales and we

2097
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:27.420
won't be able to take them back.

2098
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:29.460
And so yeah, that fabulous secrets.

2099
01:30:29.460 --> 01:30:32.579
Klingon ship emerges over the water.

2100
01:30:32.699 --> 01:30:36.659
But I'm trying to think, so low key, isn't it?

2101
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:37.500
technically.

2102
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.920
What are the other big step pieces at the end of Star Trek?

2103
01:30:40.979 --> 01:30:42.300
I can't even remember with three.

2104
01:30:42.300 --> 01:30:44.399
With two, it was the nebula, wasn't it?

2105
01:30:44.460 --> 01:30:45.659
The big sequence of nebula.

2106
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:48.779
And that sort of reprised endlessly. of the same at the end of

2107
01:30:48.779 --> 01:30:49.380
Nemesis.

2108
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:51.180
It's not dissimilar at the end of insurrection.

2109
01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:52.859
It's sort of their go-to.

2110
01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:57.180
Let's go to a place where sensors don't work and play at

2111
01:30:57.180 --> 01:30:57.659
submarines.

2112
01:30:57.779 --> 01:31:01.979
Like, I know the states are high, but it just feels like a small

2113
01:31:01.979 --> 01:31:02.699
climax.

2114
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:03.840
But I quite like that again.

2115
01:31:04.140 --> 01:31:05.640
Mm.

2116
01:31:05.699 --> 01:31:08.760
And we're not going to ruin all the fun with drama.

2117
01:31:09.539 --> 01:31:14.100
Again, here she screams and talks while being transported, which

2118
01:31:14.100 --> 01:31:16.079
is not what we used to say.

2119
01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:17.819
Hello, Alice. welcome to one.

2120
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:19.140
But she doesn't know that you have to stand there.

2121
01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:23.220
Yeah, that's a long line, isn't it?

2122
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.800
You big tail.

2123
01:31:28.859 --> 01:31:30.060
So you there you go, she's into that.

2124
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:31.500
Is any of this real?

2125
01:31:34.859 --> 01:31:37.859
Well, she very quickly accepts all of it.

2126
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.720
Now, I mean, there's a glorious story.

2127
01:31:39.779 --> 01:31:43.500
In a 2nd when they're going back in, going forward in time again

2128
01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:47.399
and the set, shaking, there's explosions going off, and the

2129
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:50.520
actress just decides, no, no, no, I'm not in my best light.

2130
01:31:50.579 --> 01:31:53.399
And she's going, Leonard, stop, stop.

2131
01:31:53.460 --> 01:31:56.520
And Leonard Newman's quote is going, he pulls off aside after and

2132
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.460
say, no, there are a 100 things going on in this scene.

2133
01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:00.720
You are not the focus here.

2134
01:32:00.779 --> 01:32:02.220
We cannot stop for you.

2135
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:08.579
So maybe her arrogance eclipsed Shatner's.

2136
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.020
Who knows?

2137
01:32:13.739 --> 01:32:16.560
She gets to see him in his full glory.

2138
01:32:16.619 --> 01:32:19.560
This is my favourite favourite bit of the whole movie in the

2139
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:19.979
hospital.

2140
01:32:21.779 --> 01:32:25.140
I took a pill and I grew a new kidney.

2141
01:32:26.100 --> 01:32:30.300
That is really great because that's, you know, the dialysis.

2142
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.079
Yeah, the city on the edge of forever, isn't it?

2143
01:32:34.140 --> 01:32:36.060
The stone knives and stuff.

2144
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:37.079
Is that what that's from?

2145
01:32:37.140 --> 01:32:37.859
Did I dream that?

2146
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:38.699
Yeah, no, yeah.

2147
01:32:38.699 --> 01:32:40.380
Nemoy has a line about that.

2148
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.579
Yeah, I'm trying to make a computer system out of...

2149
01:32:44.699 --> 01:32:50.340
Oh, no, I was thinking, what's the one where, where um, Bones is

2150
01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:53.399
worried about medicine from the past.

2151
01:32:55.380 --> 01:33:01.140
You know, like scalpels and stuff, like cutting people over. those

2152
01:33:01.140 --> 01:33:01.619
sutures.

2153
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:02.520
Yeah, what is that?

2154
01:33:02.579 --> 01:33:03.180
Yeah.

2155
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:04.560
Yeah, I can't remember.

2156
01:33:04.619 --> 01:33:06.479
But it's been done before.

2157
01:33:06.539 --> 01:33:10.199
You know, he's horror at the primitive medicine that we have on

2158
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:10.500
Earth.

2159
01:33:10.619 --> 01:33:11.699
Oh, yeah, isn't it?

2160
01:33:11.699 --> 01:33:13.739
Oh, yeah, yeah.

2161
01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:16.079
Really cold in his head isn't the answer.

2162
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:17.760
It's great.

2163
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:19.680
What does he say?

2164
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:21.119
It sort of makes use of McCoy.

2165
01:33:21.180 --> 01:33:22.800
I mean, at least they remember he's a doctor.

2166
01:33:22.859 --> 01:33:26.520
But it's not about it's not about McCoy, the man.

2167
01:33:26.579 --> 01:33:30.420
It's about the position and the problem.

2168
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:36.239
Well, I mean, we've said this before, you know, a lot of times

2169
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.899
that one of the things about Star Trek as a show and about, you

2170
01:33:39.899 --> 01:33:43.079
know, many Star Trek shows is that they are often their job and

2171
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:46.439
it's a procedure where the characters are being brought together

2172
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:49.800
with a, you know, particular skill set to solve a problem.

2173
01:33:49.859 --> 01:33:53.520
And it's only occasionally that their personalities are key to

2174
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:53.760
that.

2175
01:33:53.819 --> 01:33:57.659
And here we've got, you know, like there's more fun because

2176
01:33:57.659 --> 01:33:59.819
there's time for them to have personalities and stuff.

2177
01:33:59.880 --> 01:34:02.340
But they're still, you know, they've got a very clear job to do

2178
01:34:02.340 --> 01:34:02.819
here.

2179
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.119
It's so Star Trek, isn't it, to have a pill that just grows

2180
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:07.079
organs?

2181
01:34:07.260 --> 01:34:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2182
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:09.539
In 10 minutes.

2183
01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:12.899
It's like the medicine we had in whom God's destroy, isn't it?

2184
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.960
You know, it cures criminal psychosis or something like that.

2185
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:19.680
Well, the thing you see again and again, TND is particularly bad

2186
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.380
at this, but, you know, people have these terrible diseases where

2187
01:34:22.380 --> 01:34:25.079
their body chemistry is completely destroyed.

2188
01:34:25.140 --> 01:34:29.039
Bits of them have fallen off or they've been aged to death. and

2189
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:32.399
you take 2 of these, call me in the morning, and all of that is

2190
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:36.239
just reversed, like an elastic band snapping back into place.

2191
01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:37.800
I mean, we make a joke out of it.

2192
01:34:37.859 --> 01:34:38.939
Let's not forget.

2193
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:40.199
You just did threshold.

2194
01:34:40.260 --> 01:34:41.939
Oh, God, not the Crusher.

2195
01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:47.699
D evolved us with her usual skill. with his usual skill. skill.

2196
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:51.060
That is the actual line.

2197
01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:52.380
I'm not even.

2198
01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:56.640
But Genesis is joking about how stupid that is.

2199
01:34:56.699 --> 01:34:57.659
That's Brandon...

2200
01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.100
Oh my god, that guy has a saw.

2201
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:01.859
Big drill.

2202
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:05.640
Do you know, one of the things that this does too is that it's not

2203
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:06.720
scared to be ridiculous.

2204
01:35:06.779 --> 01:35:10.739
And do you remember the moment where Harold Robbins gets

2205
01:35:10.739 --> 01:35:11.279
mentioned?

2206
01:35:11.340 --> 01:35:13.859
Yes, you know, like it's...

2207
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:14.640
The greats.

2208
01:35:14.699 --> 01:35:17.640
Yeah, the Giants, like they're, like Harold Robbins, the sort of

2209
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:24.420
crappy pulp airport novel writing guy. you know, is a great of

2210
01:35:24.420 --> 01:35:27.239
sort of American literature in the future.

2211
01:35:27.300 --> 01:35:31.319
And so making their future ridiculous and making jokes at their

2212
01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.680
expense is something that the show wouldn't have done before this

2213
01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:38.939
and I love it, you know, and it's a part of Star Trek's DNA now, of

2214
01:35:38.939 --> 01:35:39.180
course.

2215
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:42.119
I love this fellow as well, the surgeon.

2216
01:35:42.180 --> 01:35:46.439
This film is full of one shot, one scene characters that are so

2217
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:46.979
much fun.

2218
01:35:48.180 --> 01:35:51.239
None more fun than the old woman in a minute, though.

2219
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:53.399
There you go.

2220
01:35:53.460 --> 01:35:54.359
We find a fan.

2221
01:35:54.420 --> 01:35:54.779
There we go.

2222
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:57.960
Albeit not at the person. at anyone.

2223
01:35:59.699 --> 01:36:02.159
Yeah, just put this thing on his phone.

2224
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.100
I did get a little bit of medical, medical babble there to try and

2225
01:36:05.100 --> 01:36:07.859
explain what was going on.

2226
01:36:08.819 --> 01:36:13.920
So he's got a brain bleed or something and they're reconstructing

2227
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:14.699
the blood vessel.

2228
01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:19.800
Again, McCoy's got all his more things that McCoy remember to

2229
01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:21.420
bring him to the Enterprise just before they blew it up.

2230
01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:23.760
Oh, he has a shout in case.

2231
01:36:23.819 --> 01:36:24.659
You never know.

2232
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:26.460
His little black bag.

2233
01:36:26.699 --> 01:36:30.479
That could grow a leg. put on this forehead.

2234
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:33.359
Oh, the line in a minute when they come out.

2235
01:36:33.420 --> 01:36:34.680
Yeah, yeah, there's got to be fine.

2236
01:36:34.739 --> 01:36:36.840
Hey, you came in with a she.

2237
01:36:37.859 --> 01:36:40.319
That's so right, isn't it?

2238
01:36:40.380 --> 01:36:44.220
And then we get the ultimate comedy music in this sequence when

2239
01:36:44.220 --> 01:36:45.420
they're going down the corridor.

2240
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:50.520
What about Chekhov saying, oh, look at his hairy arms.

2241
01:36:50.579 --> 01:36:51.779
Is that really even Chehov?

2242
01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:53.100
What's wrong with hairy arms?

2243
01:36:53.460 --> 01:36:55.199
No, nothing.

2244
01:36:55.260 --> 01:36:56.640
They were slightly shocking.

2245
01:36:56.699 --> 01:36:57.239
That's all.

2246
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:00.779
They're usually under his uniform.

2247
01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:04.560
You do lose something, not hearing the music, you know.

2248
01:37:04.739 --> 01:37:06.359
Yeah, yeah.

2249
01:37:06.420 --> 01:37:10.439
And this is this is proper kind of comedy cape. literally

2250
01:37:10.439 --> 01:37:13.680
going...

2251
01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:18.060
Well, I'm getting, I'm getting Lily Tomlin running through the

2252
01:37:18.060 --> 01:37:20.279
hospital in, um, in 9 to 5.

2253
01:37:20.819 --> 01:37:23.579
You've got a way to quit cameo.

2254
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:25.800
She's like, I think our own adventure.

2255
01:37:25.859 --> 01:37:27.479
Oh there she is.

2256
01:37:27.539 --> 01:37:29.279
The doctor gave me the fail.

2257
01:37:29.340 --> 01:37:30.300
I grew a new kid.

2258
01:37:32.939 --> 01:37:35.340
She knows this.

2259
01:37:35.340 --> 01:37:36.840
She knows that. don't know.

2260
01:37:36.899 --> 01:37:39.000
You know, I don't think I laugh.

2261
01:37:39.060 --> 01:37:41.039
They took her in for dialysis.

2262
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.119
I think he can probably feel it.

2263
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:46.260
I think 530 was able.

2264
01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:46.739
I would laugh.

2265
01:37:47.460 --> 01:37:50.279
New boy's doing all these extra touches now.

2266
01:37:50.340 --> 01:37:52.979
Those girls came through and the nurse was thrown into the arms of

2267
01:37:52.979 --> 01:37:54.659
a man who went, ooh, okay.

2268
01:38:00.420 --> 01:38:01.560
Again, great cup.

2269
01:38:01.619 --> 01:38:04.079
The gun into the lift. into the beam in.

2270
01:38:04.140 --> 01:38:05.399
It's a great, yeah.

2271
01:38:05.460 --> 01:38:08.220
You know they've only got the staircase here.

2272
01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.039
He's having to keep doing the same tracking shot going up.

2273
01:38:11.100 --> 01:38:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2274
01:38:15.180 --> 01:38:19.020
No, I mean, literally, you know, having an invisible ship is very

2275
01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:19.380
cheap.

2276
01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.760
She's saying she wants to help the whales, but she's like, oh my

2277
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.319
god, this is a taxi rise of the future.

2278
01:38:25.380 --> 01:38:27.479
So they, hang on, they bring the ramp down.

2279
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:31.199
Everybody walks on and then they beam on.

2280
01:38:31.260 --> 01:38:33.779
And then and then beams on.

2281
01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:34.920
Admiral privileges.

2282
01:38:34.979 --> 01:38:36.600
Excuse me.

2283
01:38:36.659 --> 01:38:38.039
Exactly of entrance.

2284
01:38:38.100 --> 01:38:40.079
I'll be expecting you to walk.

2285
01:38:40.140 --> 01:38:44.760
So if my bear is not available to carry me physically on board

2286
01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:46.619
then I guess you'll have to beat me up.

2287
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.020
Oh, there we go.

2288
01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:52.920
All right.

2289
01:38:52.979 --> 01:38:54.119
So she's on board.

2290
01:38:54.180 --> 01:38:56.699
Do we have other people who come to the future?

2291
01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:00.659
We get those people in the neutral zone, don't we, who come from

2292
01:39:00.659 --> 01:39:03.420
the 80s and end up living in the city?

2293
01:39:03.420 --> 01:39:06.960
Guys who get defrosted at the end of TNG series one?

2294
01:39:07.020 --> 01:39:09.060
Yeah, that's the one.

2295
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:10.020
Yeah, yeah.

2296
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:11.220
On the Botany Bay.

2297
01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:13.140
But I...

2298
01:39:13.140 --> 01:39:13.800
Matt Frua?

2299
01:39:13.859 --> 01:39:16.140
Yeah, the TNG episode...

2300
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:17.699
Well, he's from the past, isn't he?

2301
01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:18.420
Yeah, yeah.

2302
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:20.880
But we think he's from the future, but he's from...

2303
01:39:20.939 --> 01:39:22.140
He'll get that great line, doesn't he?

2304
01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:24.119
the 24th century.

2305
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:24.840
Yeah.

2306
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:29.039
Look at the joggers, again. couldn't be more 80s, could it?

2307
01:39:29.100 --> 01:39:30.479
Like there's joggers.

2308
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.340
So good.

2309
01:39:32.699 --> 01:39:36.479
So we're not going to go through that entire 5 minute sequence of

2310
01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:37.380
going forward.

2311
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.420
Oh, no, no, we've got to say the whales first, haven't we?

2312
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:39.720
Sorry.

2313
01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:41.520
No, we've got to save the whales first.

2314
01:39:41.579 --> 01:39:42.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2315
01:39:42.180 --> 01:39:45.060
Yeah. subtle camera move here from Nemoy.

2316
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:49.380
Just crating down just to kind of remind us where we're in we're

2317
01:39:49.380 --> 01:39:49.739
in the air.

2318
01:39:49.859 --> 01:39:53.520
Look, it'll touch the...

2319
01:39:53.579 --> 01:39:54.119
Of course.

2320
01:39:54.180 --> 01:39:55.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2321
01:39:55.739 --> 01:39:59.579
But you can see, you can see all of them in shot there, apart from

2322
01:39:59.579 --> 01:40:02.340
Scotty, who's man in the engines.

2323
01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:03.479
Downstairs.

2324
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.279
Looking at the waves.

2325
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:07.859
Oh, they guess the best line, then the admiral.

2326
01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:09.720
They'll be whales here.

2327
01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.420
You're right, that accent is shocking.

2328
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:18.239
It's really bad, isn't it?

2329
01:40:18.300 --> 01:40:20.100
Yes, it is not that Indian.

2330
01:40:20.100 --> 01:40:20.880
I'm not a tourist.

2331
01:40:22.380 --> 01:40:27.359
You haven't seen the final episode of the latest series of Strange

2332
01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:28.560
New Worlds, have you, Joe?

2333
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.079
Why?

2334
01:40:31.140 --> 01:40:31.619
Okay.

2335
01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:37.140
Well, because we do meet Montgomery Scott, and he is Scottish.

2336
01:40:37.619 --> 01:40:40.619
Like the actor is actually Scottish.

2337
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:44.579
I was just keeping one or two, you know, because I love it so

2338
01:40:44.579 --> 01:40:44.880
much.

2339
01:40:44.939 --> 01:40:46.859
I've always got another one to watch.

2340
01:40:47.340 --> 01:40:51.899
You know, when the next time we roll late discovery series four

2341
01:40:51.899 --> 01:40:55.199
you know I'm picking it, and then you'll just have to watch it all

2342
01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:56.159
because it's really good.

2343
01:40:56.220 --> 01:41:00.539
It's the ominous threat in series 4 or Discovery akin to the probe

2344
01:41:00.539 --> 01:41:03.420
in this, but they can't communicate with it.

2345
01:41:03.420 --> 01:41:06.060
Yeah, kind of.

2346
01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:08.100
It's, sort of.

2347
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:11.340
I think they do a really they do a proper science fiction thing at

2348
01:41:11.340 --> 01:41:15.300
the end of Discovery Series 4, which is unusual for Star Trek, I

2349
01:41:15.300 --> 01:41:15.479
think.

2350
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.300
It's more sort of mysterious, isn't it?

2351
01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:24.479
It's more of a puzzle to be solved, whereas the what the solution

2352
01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:27.359
is in this film is established very early on.

2353
01:41:27.420 --> 01:41:31.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. how to do it, this is all about, you know, how

2354
01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:32.159
do we how do we do it?

2355
01:41:32.220 --> 01:41:33.000
what do we do?

2356
01:41:33.060 --> 01:41:34.800
Bizarre series.

2357
01:41:34.859 --> 01:41:36.359
It is almost a heist, isn't it?

2358
01:41:36.420 --> 01:41:36.840
Yeah.

2359
01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.100
Like, yeah.

2360
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:39.899
But we love a heist.

2361
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:40.979
Yeah, yeah.

2362
01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:42.119
Yeah, I know.

2363
01:41:42.180 --> 01:41:43.380
I love a good heist.

2364
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.439
So we're back with Half Bennett's slightly more functional

2365
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:47.100
dialogue now.

2366
01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.920
There's some momentum inherited from the earlier stuff.

2367
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:54.060
Oh, actually, no, are we?

2368
01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:55.800
we haven't time travelled yet.

2369
01:41:55.859 --> 01:41:59.220
But this doesn't, this isn't quite as much fun.

2370
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:02.039
Where does where he...

2371
01:42:02.100 --> 01:42:04.739
Oh, it's when there's a there's a quote, isn't there?

2372
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:05.880
A Lawrence quote.

2373
01:42:05.939 --> 01:42:06.779
I think.

2374
01:42:07.500 --> 01:42:10.199
Is that where the other switchover happens?

2375
01:42:10.260 --> 01:42:10.739
Yeah.

2376
01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:16.920
Because, uh, This is this is just all plot now though, isn't it?

2377
01:42:16.979 --> 01:42:20.880
This doesn't quite have the same little character beat and jokes

2378
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:21.479
and details.

2379
01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:26.399
And it's, I think it's slow by our standards now.

2380
01:42:26.460 --> 01:42:32.340
Because we know the consequences if they don't save them, there is

2381
01:42:32.340 --> 01:42:33.239
some drama here.

2382
01:42:33.300 --> 01:42:35.579
This, I think, is real well footage.

2383
01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:40.260
Both the the underwater stuff and the um, uh, and the stuff for

2384
01:42:40.260 --> 01:42:42.539
the the whaling ship, at least at least some of it.

2385
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:44.220
Yeah, at least some of this is real footage.

2386
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:47.460
But I think it is, you can't, you can't tell the difference.

2387
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:53.340
It's nearly as good as the London Underground sets in the web of

2388
01:42:53.340 --> 01:42:53.579
fear.

2389
01:42:54.779 --> 01:42:56.460
That's it.

2390
01:42:57.659 --> 01:43:00.779
Look, that looks great, doesn't it?

2391
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:02.340
It's properly worth it, I think.

2392
01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:03.539
That does sell.

2393
01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:06.899
It sells it better than they've managed to do with the puppets

2394
01:43:06.899 --> 01:43:07.199
really.

2395
01:43:07.260 --> 01:43:10.560
We've only seen so little of the whales and then seeing them

2396
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:10.979
here.

2397
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:13.140
Like because it's important.

2398
01:43:13.260 --> 01:43:17.220
I might have said it was a bit underwhelming until the bit where

2399
01:43:17.220 --> 01:43:18.479
the cruiser appears.

2400
01:43:18.539 --> 01:43:20.760
And that is just amazing.

2401
01:43:22.859 --> 01:43:29.399
Yeah, I, it's very funny just how not in the same shot they are at

2402
01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:29.640
all.

2403
01:43:29.699 --> 01:43:30.600
Do you know what I mean?

2404
01:43:30.659 --> 01:43:34.739
Like, we're supposed to understand that there's the ship appearing

2405
01:43:34.739 --> 01:43:38.520
directly above them and we get that incredible hero shot, which

2406
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:39.420
works so well.

2407
01:43:39.420 --> 01:43:42.300
And then we just get to see a lot of business happen where they're

2408
01:43:42.300 --> 01:43:45.479
never in the same shot at the same time in a very obvious way.

2409
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:47.460
I was a child when I 1st watched this.

2410
01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:49.920
I was utterly convinced this was happening for real.

2411
01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:56.819
They are magnificent.

2412
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.100
I don't think I saw this at the cinema.

2413
01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:01.680
I think the 1st one that I saw in the cinema was six.

2414
01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:03.119
I was trying to remember.

2415
01:44:04.979 --> 01:44:05.399
Oh, no.

2416
01:44:05.460 --> 01:44:08.100
I saw the motionless picture, actually. originally.

2417
01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:08.939
Yeah, me too.

2418
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.619
I think it must have been a real release.

2419
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:12.479
I think I would have taken it to see it when I was seven.

2420
01:44:12.539 --> 01:44:19.380
But my mum did take me to see the motionless picture where Nomad

2421
01:44:19.380 --> 01:44:19.800
has gone before.

2422
01:44:21.180 --> 01:44:23.640
It really wasn't motionless.

2423
01:44:23.699 --> 01:44:24.539
I love my...

2424
01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:25.439
That was well called.

2425
01:44:26.699 --> 01:44:28.680
Yeah, see, that's great.

2426
01:44:28.739 --> 01:44:32.159
We've even got we've even got shadow cast by the by the clear.

2427
01:44:32.220 --> 01:44:35.279
Unfortunately, when we cut to the actual man on the boat, There's

2428
01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:35.880
no shadow at all.

2429
01:44:35.939 --> 01:44:38.279
Yeah, they're looking over their shoulder.

2430
01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:40.859
Somewhere else.

2431
01:44:40.859 --> 01:44:41.579
Somewhere else.

2432
01:44:45.659 --> 01:44:47.340
Here we are.

2433
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.619
Okay, this countdown's selling it for me.

2434
01:44:49.739 --> 01:44:50.399
I'm tense.

2435
01:44:53.460 --> 01:44:58.140
But now we are laughing at each other rather than script now, I've

2436
01:44:58.140 --> 01:44:58.560
noticed.

2437
01:44:58.619 --> 01:44:59.579
Yeah.

2438
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:01.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2439
01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:04.739
That is so hilarious, isn't it?

2440
01:45:04.859 --> 01:45:09.180
Like we just beam all of the whales and all of the water at once

2441
01:45:09.180 --> 01:45:13.500
and like whatever, whatever it takes, you know, and I'm sort of

2442
01:45:13.500 --> 01:45:15.720
glad that they're, look at that. doesn't that look great?

2443
01:45:15.779 --> 01:45:17.159
So excited.

2444
01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:21.000
Right, we've got, let's go.

2445
01:45:21.060 --> 01:45:21.600
Go on.

2446
01:45:24.659 --> 01:45:26.399
Yeah, the ship's going to be a lot heavier.

2447
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.840
I guess that doesn't matter.

2448
01:45:33.899 --> 01:45:36.300
I forget how they time travel back there because we can't do the

2449
01:45:36.300 --> 01:45:36.960
whole sequence again.

2450
01:45:37.020 --> 01:45:37.619
What happens?

2451
01:45:37.739 --> 01:45:40.439
No, we don't do the sequence, do we?

2452
01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:42.600
Yeah, it's like an abbreviated version.

2453
01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:46.140
Yeah, but without those weird things.

2454
01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:49.439
Fuck has got us back to the right time with his usual skill.

2455
01:45:49.500 --> 01:45:50.399
There you go.

2456
01:45:50.460 --> 01:45:51.300
Someone should have said that.

2457
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:55.920
No, but we've also done the thing, like, again, this is something

2458
01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.619
that we do again, and I think we do it in Strange New Worlds as

2459
01:45:58.619 --> 01:46:01.800
well, where getting Spock to make a guess.

2460
01:46:01.859 --> 01:46:08.699
And I love that line, which is like he'd be more confident in one

2461
01:46:08.699 --> 01:46:12.060
of Spock's guesses than anyone else's certainties.

2462
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:13.619
It's really good, isn't it?

2463
01:46:13.680 --> 01:46:16.199
Yes, here it is, and it's McCoy delivering it.

2464
01:46:16.260 --> 01:46:16.920
It's wonderful.

2465
01:46:20.579 --> 01:46:23.640
Yeah, that's a great character moment, isn't it?

2466
01:46:23.699 --> 01:46:24.659
It's really good.

2467
01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.659
I actually think doing this with Spock's character was actually

2468
01:46:27.659 --> 01:46:28.680
really good.

2469
01:46:28.739 --> 01:46:33.239
Like, you know, toning him down, making him not in charge of the

2470
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:36.119
whole thing, and it gives Nemoy space to direct the film.

2471
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:38.039
But it's just this movie, isn't it?

2472
01:46:38.100 --> 01:46:40.739
We don't go there again in 5 and six, do we?

2473
01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:42.600
It's just bulk.

2474
01:46:42.659 --> 01:46:46.140
Well, I think that I think that we do sell an ending to that

2475
01:46:46.140 --> 01:46:48.300
character arc with the I feel fine thing.

2476
01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:55.439
Do we think the Spock of Star Trek 2 would have taken the risk of

2477
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:59.520
trying to broker that piece in Star Trek 6?

2478
01:46:59.579 --> 01:47:00.960
It's interesting.

2479
01:47:01.020 --> 01:47:02.159
Oh, okay, that's interesting.

2480
01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:04.079
Maybe.

2481
01:47:04.140 --> 01:47:04.560
Maybe not.

2482
01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:11.159
It was a kind of more ruthlessly pragmatic quality.

2483
01:47:11.220 --> 01:47:13.560
I think he had before this little adventure.

2484
01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:18.119
I think he's a bit... don't you think he also true?

2485
01:47:18.180 --> 01:47:19.380
ages into it a little bit.

2486
01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:22.199
And that's the direction that they end up taking the character

2487
01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:22.680
isn't it?

2488
01:47:22.739 --> 01:47:25.560
You know, ambassador Spock is where we end.

2489
01:47:25.619 --> 01:47:26.939
And that seems to work.

2490
01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:30.359
Like that doesn't seem like a wrench or anything.

2491
01:47:30.420 --> 01:47:35.100
I love those scenes in Star Trek 6 with him talking about the

2492
01:47:35.100 --> 01:47:36.899
piece and things with Kirk.

2493
01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:37.920
I think they're magnificent.

2494
01:47:38.100 --> 01:47:39.539
I would have left him in six, though.

2495
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:41.279
I wouldn't have had him unification.

2496
01:47:41.939 --> 01:47:44.399
Let alone the JJ films.

2497
01:47:44.460 --> 01:47:44.939
Yeah.

2498
01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:47.699
Yeah, I don't know what he's doing in the JJ films.

2499
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.159
So I think that's for like weird cannon heads.

2500
01:47:50.220 --> 01:47:52.920
I always think that they're very strange people.

2501
01:47:53.579 --> 01:47:55.979
Yeah, I do think...

2502
01:47:55.979 --> 01:47:58.680
I'm not sure I'd even put it in the original series characters in

2503
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:02.460
generations either because that's the best part of the movie.

2504
01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:04.500
Yes.

2505
01:48:04.500 --> 01:48:08.460
Well, except it's less passing on the battle, but just reminding

2506
01:48:08.460 --> 01:48:09.420
us of what we're losing.

2507
01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:11.640
It's meant to be Spock and McCoy.

2508
01:48:11.699 --> 01:48:15.539
And so you have Chekhov, who keeps doing medical procedures on

2509
01:48:15.539 --> 01:48:15.899
people.

2510
01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:19.619
You and you just become nurses.

2511
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:23.279
And I've just become a doctor, apparently, because I've inherited

2512
01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:24.479
the forest lines.

2513
01:48:25.739 --> 01:48:33.000
I love the fact that we get those 3 characters in Star Trek, the

2514
01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:33.659
Next Generation.

2515
01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.659
I think it sells that it's one big thing.

2516
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:40.859
And like DeForest Kelly's cameo at the beginning in Encounter at

2517
01:48:40.859 --> 01:48:41.579
Far Point is wonderful.

2518
01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:43.079
But then relics is just tremendous.

2519
01:48:43.140 --> 01:48:47.699
I remember I remember watching Generations with Mark and he was

2520
01:48:47.699 --> 01:48:50.939
enjoying that 1st section and then we cut to the ship and the next

2521
01:48:50.939 --> 01:48:53.520
generation crew and he's like, oh, God, here we go.

2522
01:48:53.579 --> 01:48:54.899
You know.

2523
01:48:56.699 --> 01:48:58.500
I think the film was over for him from that point on.

2524
01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:03.479
I still want to know why it's not funny to push gates in the

2525
01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:03.659
water.

2526
01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:04.680
I think it's hilarious.

2527
01:49:06.420 --> 01:49:09.659
Maybe we should do it in every episode. was laughing.

2528
01:49:10.020 --> 01:49:12.659
Prevent her from acting. sorry.

2529
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:14.760
I love her so much.

2530
01:49:14.819 --> 01:49:15.359
Shut up.

2531
01:49:18.420 --> 01:49:21.000
Right, now we're back in bed.

2532
01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:22.319
It was just a little war boy.

2533
01:49:22.380 --> 01:49:23.640
Did you say that was it?

2534
01:49:23.939 --> 01:49:25.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2535
01:49:25.859 --> 01:49:26.579
That's great.

2536
01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.640
You're not playing Chekov's still in his medical smock.

2537
01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:34.619
Yeah, we will see he's anticipating his future career as a

2538
01:49:34.619 --> 01:49:34.979
doctor.

2539
01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:37.140
Just a few films down the track.

2540
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:41.220
This feels right somehow.

2541
01:49:42.300 --> 01:49:44.520
No, there's that alien.

2542
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:45.359
Good grief.

2543
01:49:45.420 --> 01:49:45.899
Look at him.

2544
01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.020
Oh, well, here we are, back in...

2545
01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:50.460
So Beaumar scale.

2546
01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:53.640
I think he's I think he's probably no more than a 6.5 or a

2547
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:53.939
second.

2548
01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:55.920
It's not humiliating enough.

2549
01:49:55.979 --> 01:49:57.479
Staric Aliens all looks stupid.

2550
01:49:57.539 --> 01:49:58.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2551
01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:00.600
He doesn't have extra nostrils or anything.

2552
01:50:00.659 --> 01:50:02.579
We had one recently told...

2553
01:50:02.579 --> 01:50:03.960
Well, there was so much latex.

2554
01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:07.739
I had a big arse for a head and crimped hair.

2555
01:50:07.800 --> 01:50:10.199
It was unbelievable.

2556
01:50:10.260 --> 01:50:11.399
Oh my god, that was bad.

2557
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:13.380
That's one of the weird things about insurrection.

2558
01:50:13.380 --> 01:50:17.520
This whole planet of alien people who suck up this life force from

2559
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.220
the whatever, and they just look like guys.

2560
01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:20.819
They just look like people.

2561
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:21.539
It's very strange.

2562
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:24.960
There's not a scrap of Michael Westmore latex on them.

2563
01:50:25.140 --> 01:50:27.300
It's a nice choice.

2564
01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.180
I still think the latex looks stupid.

2565
01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.300
Every so often I have to pinch myself while watching Deep Space

2566
01:50:33.300 --> 01:50:35.699
Line going, what the hell is going on?

2567
01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:36.899
What am I watching?

2568
01:50:36.899 --> 01:50:39.600
Shakespearean dialogue of people emoting away furiously and these

2569
01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:40.500
enormous rubber head.

2570
01:50:40.500 --> 01:50:43.859
They're literally saying this into seat.

2571
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.199
They spend so much money on latex in the pilot.

2572
01:50:46.260 --> 01:50:48.779
They had no money left for the rest of their feet.

2573
01:50:49.979 --> 01:50:53.100
Sorry, Almond, you've got to wear the same face again.

2574
01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:57.659
That's great too.

2575
01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:02.579
This feels a bit like false jeopardy because the story's over, but

2576
01:51:02.579 --> 01:51:04.260
there's one little kind of adventure scene left.

2577
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:05.640
It reminds me a bit.

2578
01:51:05.699 --> 01:51:11.399
There's a very similarly shot scene in the red dwarf episode, which

2579
01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:13.079
is the word, the dimension jump.

2580
01:51:13.260 --> 01:51:18.180
And there's a funny story because at this stage, Craig Charles and

2581
01:51:18.180 --> 01:51:19.859
Chris Barry still didn't really like each other.

2582
01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:22.800
And so they're in a swimming pool somewhere.

2583
01:51:22.859 --> 01:51:26.159
There are big fans and people are squirting hoses at them and

2584
01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:29.340
Chris Barry's moaning and complaining.

2585
01:51:29.340 --> 01:51:31.619
And Craig Charles says, loud enough for the rest of the crew to

2586
01:51:31.619 --> 01:51:31.800
hear.

2587
01:51:31.859 --> 01:51:32.340
Shut up, man.

2588
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:33.539
We're supposed to be space heroes.

2589
01:51:33.779 --> 01:51:38.880
Which did not go down at all well at all.

2590
01:51:38.939 --> 01:51:42.359
Whereas these guys sell, they're having the best time ever in a

2591
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:42.600
minute.

2592
01:51:42.659 --> 01:51:45.119
Even Leonard.

2593
01:51:45.180 --> 01:51:45.960
I love that.

2594
01:51:46.020 --> 01:51:49.739
Yeah, it's really fun when they're up, like, because it's just a

2595
01:51:49.739 --> 01:51:50.939
little bit of green thing.

2596
01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:51.779
Do you know what I mean?

2597
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.380
Like it's, it's, um, it's supposed to sell the entire ship.

2598
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:57.659
Fortunately most of it's underwater, so we don't have to construct

2599
01:51:57.659 --> 01:51:57.960
it.

2600
01:51:58.020 --> 01:52:03.420
And it just, it, I buy it and I love the joy at the end, like just

2601
01:52:03.420 --> 01:52:04.140
how happy they are.

2602
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:05.340
Jumping in the water.

2603
01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:06.840
As a side, though, Tom.

2604
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:08.819
Shatner's solid fat, isn't he?

2605
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:13.199
I would love to see behind the scenes of series one tour of Red

2606
01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:16.020
Dwarf being filmed, you know, because it sounds like some

2607
01:52:16.020 --> 01:52:17.039
interesting things were going down.

2608
01:52:17.100 --> 01:52:19.260
There's quite a lot of it knocking around.

2609
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:19.859
Oh, is there?

2610
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:26.760
Well, there's like outtakes and it's, yeah, not the sort of Doctor

2611
01:52:26.760 --> 01:52:31.199
Who thing if you've got hours and hours of the live footage, but

2612
01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:34.920
there's bits and pieces for sure.

2613
01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:36.119
Don't have to watch that, you know.

2614
01:52:36.180 --> 01:52:37.500
I bought it.

2615
01:52:37.560 --> 01:52:38.340
What am I going to do?

2616
01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:39.119
Not watch this.

2617
01:52:39.180 --> 01:52:40.260
You crazy?

2618
01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:43.619
Yeah, you're right.

2619
01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:44.159
This is...

2620
01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:47.520
This is a bit boring, this bit.

2621
01:52:47.579 --> 01:52:49.199
The whales are here.

2622
01:52:49.260 --> 01:52:50.579
We know they're going to get into the water.

2623
01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2624
01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:54.239
It's great.

2625
01:52:54.300 --> 01:52:56.640
The fact they've got that physical prop in the water there

2626
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:56.819
though.

2627
01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:00.359
I think you can sort of tell, you know, the the cloud backdrop.

2628
01:53:00.420 --> 01:53:02.460
It looks a bit like the Truman show, you know, when he bumps into

2629
01:53:02.460 --> 01:53:03.300
the clouds at the end.

2630
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:03.960
Yes.

2631
01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:04.859
Yeah.

2632
01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:05.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2633
01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:08.279
Yeah, it's a very tight shot for a reason because that tank's only

2634
01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:09.300
about 15 feet wide.

2635
01:53:09.659 --> 01:53:14.699
And so you know the Shelly Wind is index and it's the number of

2636
01:53:14.699 --> 01:53:18.479
seconds that elapse after everyone in the audience has had to stop

2637
01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:22.920
holding their breath before and Shatner.

2638
01:53:22.979 --> 01:53:24.479
Like, that's about 2 minutes.

2639
01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:26.220
Shelley Windy's index there.

2640
01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:28.380
He can hold his breath for a hell of a long time.

2641
01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:30.119
Nathan, that's William Shatner.

2642
01:53:30.180 --> 01:53:30.720
Of course you can.

2643
01:53:31.140 --> 01:53:33.000
Of course he can.

2644
01:53:33.060 --> 01:53:35.819
Oh, here we go, that puppets there as well.

2645
01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:39.060
Ah, yes, we brought the puppet.

2646
01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:40.619
It looks great, doesn't it?

2647
01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:41.760
You're right about the sky, though.

2648
01:53:41.819 --> 01:53:42.479
Holy shit.

2649
01:53:46.020 --> 01:53:48.600
Yeah, there's there's me moist.

2650
01:53:48.659 --> 01:53:49.560
That is the puppet, isn't it?

2651
01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:52.079
Apparently, that's very controversial, but Spox, you know, having

2652
01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:52.920
a laugh in this scene.

2653
01:53:54.060 --> 01:53:56.579
Oh, you know, he's half human.

2654
01:53:56.640 --> 01:53:57.720
He feels fine, right?

2655
01:53:57.779 --> 01:54:00.659
No, this is the point where it's like, it is fact, fact, we've

2656
01:54:00.659 --> 01:54:01.140
made the movie.

2657
01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:01.979
It's a success.

2658
01:54:02.460 --> 01:54:04.560
You can't stop smiling.

2659
01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:07.079
Nimoy talks about this as well.

2660
01:54:07.140 --> 01:54:11.939
Like, how do you how do you visually sell this incomprehensible

2661
01:54:11.939 --> 01:54:16.800
alien probe is successfully communicating with these enormous

2662
01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:21.420
marine mammals and he was watching this footage at an iMac cinema

2663
01:54:21.420 --> 01:54:25.199
and saw this moment where 1st one whale and then the other assumes

2664
01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.300
this vertical position and he went, that would do it.

2665
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:31.020
That would do the trick. the visual shorthand that we need to say

2666
01:54:31.020 --> 01:54:34.020
there is now a dialogue that's been established.

2667
01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:37.560
And it's beautiful footage. paces it really well as well.

2668
01:54:37.619 --> 01:54:40.199
With the calls going back and forth.

2669
01:54:40.260 --> 01:54:41.340
It's quite slow.

2670
01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:42.239
Yeah.

2671
01:54:42.300 --> 01:54:45.659
Well, the sound design is incredibly good, isn't it?

2672
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:46.800
And has been all the way through.

2673
01:54:46.859 --> 01:54:48.300
And then we see it react.

2674
01:54:48.359 --> 01:54:49.199
Yeah.

2675
01:54:49.260 --> 01:54:52.380
Yeah, and it alters its orientation in a similar way.

2676
01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:56.699
Yeah, it's just really, really, very simple, but properly thought

2677
01:54:56.699 --> 01:54:56.880
through.

2678
01:54:56.939 --> 01:54:59.520
Given that was a water heater, that probe.

2679
01:55:00.180 --> 01:55:02.159
It is astonishing.

2680
01:55:02.579 --> 01:55:06.300
But it does look like a whale sounding there, doesn't it?

2681
01:55:06.359 --> 01:55:10.140
Like, and the just the, like the finish that they've put on it.

2682
01:55:10.199 --> 01:55:14.100
I like the way that the pro noises sort of get very friendly as if

2683
01:55:14.100 --> 01:55:15.239
he's going, oh, thank God.

2684
01:55:15.300 --> 01:55:17.819
You know, I've been I've been saying for ages.

2685
01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:18.359
Where are you?

2686
01:55:19.380 --> 01:55:23.640
And it's the same plot as the motion picture, you know, a

2687
01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:26.399
mysterious thing is going to blurt the earth unless it gets a

2688
01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:27.600
signal that it's looking for.

2689
01:55:27.659 --> 01:55:29.279
I not only got to the end of this.

2690
01:55:29.340 --> 01:55:30.659
I watched it 200 times.

2691
01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:31.979
Exactly.

2692
01:55:32.460 --> 01:55:36.180
It's all execution and this is just executed.

2693
01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:39.539
It's not only executed to a high level of quality.

2694
01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:43.140
So like I said, it's they know what film they're making and

2695
01:55:43.140 --> 01:55:44.340
everybody's on the same page.

2696
01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:50.279
And I think anybody was on the same page in five, you know.

2697
01:55:53.340 --> 01:55:56.039
It was only one page shatter was on it.

2698
01:55:57.239 --> 01:55:59.460
Put the camera on me.

2699
01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.399
Five is such a mess. so bizarre.

2700
01:56:02.460 --> 01:56:03.600
It'd be an interesting one to talk about.

2701
01:56:04.260 --> 01:56:06.300
Yeah, I reckon.

2702
01:56:06.359 --> 01:56:10.920
It's got the 1st of David Warner's appearance is in Star Trek.

2703
01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:13.079
And the least.

2704
01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:15.300
Yeah, yeah.

2705
01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:18.300
He's smoking, I think, too. a bit shocking.

2706
01:56:19.979 --> 01:56:22.079
And the probe is off.

2707
01:56:22.140 --> 01:56:25.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2708
01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:25.739
It'll be back.

2709
01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:27.300
It'll be back.

2710
01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:30.420
So presumably now there are whales.

2711
01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:32.039
There are whales in the 24th century.

2712
01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:34.500
One assumes, yeah.

2713
01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:40.079
As this sort of probe prophylactic, just to make sure that this

2714
01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:40.680
never happens again.

2715
01:56:40.739 --> 01:56:43.739
Has that ever been picked up on something like lower decks, that

2716
01:56:43.739 --> 01:56:44.880
seems like something they would do.

2717
01:56:44.939 --> 01:56:45.600
No.

2718
01:56:45.659 --> 01:56:50.100
Do you remember cetacean ops where there's dolphins or whatever in

2719
01:56:50.100 --> 01:56:53.399
the, like there's a whole system of pipes with water in them full

2720
01:56:53.399 --> 01:56:56.520
of dolphins for some reason. like it's a very I don't know why

2721
01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:57.479
they're...

2722
01:56:57.539 --> 01:56:58.500
This will be going on for a long.

2723
01:56:58.560 --> 01:56:59.340
Just keep going, guys.

2724
01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:00.119
Yay!

2725
01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:02.220
Puppets.

2726
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:11.279
We'll just roll that footage backwards.

2727
01:57:11.340 --> 01:57:12.899
Yeah, exactly right.

2728
01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:15.899
Just to sell that everything's going back to electricity beer on

2729
01:57:15.899 --> 01:57:17.880
that station must be enormous, wasn't it?

2730
01:57:17.939 --> 01:57:19.800
Ah, nice, so many lies.

2731
01:57:19.859 --> 01:57:21.899
Somebody go get an extension cord.

2732
01:57:22.979 --> 01:57:26.460
Oh, look, all their tellies are coming back on.

2733
01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:27.180
Excellent, see?

2734
01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:30.720
Turn the lights on in the studio, so we're in daytime now. right?

2735
01:57:32.460 --> 01:57:36.239
Please don't, yeah, don't do it, don't do a wide shot now, the

2736
01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:39.420
lights are on, because we, we really will see that backdrop.

2737
01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:42.000
That's great. though.

2738
01:57:42.300 --> 01:57:45.899
Oh, that's why we're doing a close-up because they had the painted

2739
01:57:45.899 --> 01:57:47.279
the painted clouds.

2740
01:57:47.460 --> 01:57:49.739
They're like high-fiving the water.

2741
01:57:50.340 --> 01:57:53.640
Yeah, he's got no idea what he's doing at this point.

2742
01:57:55.260 --> 01:57:59.100
I love how much fun Gillian's having, though.

2743
01:57:59.159 --> 01:58:02.039
I love that cheese stays in the future at the end of the film.

2744
01:58:02.100 --> 01:58:03.420
It's so great.

2745
01:58:03.479 --> 01:58:05.640
I really wish that we'd seen her again.

2746
01:58:05.699 --> 01:58:11.399
Presumably there are 145 novels about the space adventures of Dr

2747
01:58:11.399 --> 01:58:11.819
Gillian.

2748
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:15.119
But we don't we never get that actor back, do we?

2749
01:58:15.180 --> 01:58:18.600
Did you see Nemo's face there where it was thrown in the water?

2750
01:58:18.659 --> 01:58:20.399
This was not rehearsed.

2751
01:58:20.460 --> 01:58:20.939
Okay.

2752
01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:25.199
Who's directing this thing anyway?

2753
01:58:26.220 --> 01:58:28.380
What the hell is that?

2754
01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.539
That sort of dog creature.

2755
01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:33.899
Oh, no, that's occasion.

2756
01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:35.640
That's like Dr. Tana.

2757
01:58:35.699 --> 01:58:37.260
It's the same race as Dr. T Arnold.

2758
01:58:37.319 --> 01:58:37.979
Oh, you know that.

2759
01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:39.960
All people, the rest.

2760
01:58:40.020 --> 01:58:42.060
The rest from the animated series.

2761
01:58:42.180 --> 01:58:48.060
It's the only live action appearance of vacation in Star Trek. the

2762
01:58:48.060 --> 01:58:50.039
back row there in the middle, those sort of birds.

2763
01:58:50.100 --> 01:58:51.180
What have they?

2764
01:58:51.239 --> 01:58:53.100
Yeah, I don't know.

2765
01:58:53.159 --> 01:58:58.500
I believe this is the only shot in any Star Trek movie of all 7 of

2766
01:58:58.500 --> 01:58:58.979
the main cast.

2767
01:58:59.039 --> 01:58:59.880
What, together?

2768
01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:01.859
In one single shot.

2769
01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:03.600
I believe this is the only occasion, yeah.

2770
01:59:04.199 --> 01:59:08.159
Even in that shot, I pointed out earlier where you had that hero

2771
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:10.439
shot of the bridge, Scotty isn't there.

2772
01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:14.220
Yeah, I think that's right.

2773
01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:17.460
I'm sure one of your armies of listeners will write in and let me

2774
01:59:17.460 --> 01:59:21.060
know if that's incorrect and there's actually one in every film

2775
01:59:21.060 --> 01:59:22.380
but I think it is the only one.

2776
01:59:25.439 --> 01:59:27.300
And this is more this is more admin.

2777
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:28.680
This is more plot admin.

2778
01:59:29.399 --> 01:59:35.819
But it does what you sort of suggested before, it sets us up with

2779
01:59:35.819 --> 01:59:42.420
a new status quo because the show, even the 1st film, he's the

2780
01:59:42.420 --> 01:59:43.439
admiral, isn't he?

2781
01:59:43.500 --> 01:59:46.800
And he kind of wants the ship and there's that conflict between

2782
01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:50.520
him and Decker about, you know, like because he wants to be in

2783
01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:53.340
control, being admiral is not the right job for him.

2784
01:59:53.340 --> 01:59:56.220
And it takes us 4 films to get him back.

2785
01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:58.800
You know, he gets busted back to captain and put in charge of the

2786
01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:00.060
enterprise.

2787
02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:04.140
And, you know, it's clearly a punishment that's chosen because

2788
02:00:04.140 --> 02:00:08.100
they're super happy not to all be dead, you know, because of what

2789
02:00:08.100 --> 02:00:08.520
he did.

2790
02:00:10.199 --> 02:00:13.020
I know you were saying something very smart then.

2791
02:00:13.079 --> 02:00:16.260
I was just obsessed by Gillian's space costume that she's in now.

2792
02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:17.220
Did you see it?

2793
02:00:17.279 --> 02:00:20.100
Oh, is she already dressed in a space costume?

2794
02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:21.779
Awesome.

2795
02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:27.119
The necessity of keeping discipline in the chain of commander.

2796
02:00:27.180 --> 02:00:27.840
They know who they're talking to.

2797
02:00:27.899 --> 02:00:29.220
You'll be reduced to captain.

2798
02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:31.680
We're literally going back to the status quo of the original

2799
02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:31.979
series.

2800
02:00:32.100 --> 02:00:33.060
That's it.

2801
02:00:33.119 --> 02:00:36.479
He's now the oldest captain in the fleet by 15 years.

2802
02:00:37.739 --> 02:00:40.680
Do you see the big Dolly people?

2803
02:00:40.739 --> 02:00:41.640
They're coming back.

2804
02:00:41.699 --> 02:00:42.659
There was a shot of them.

2805
02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:46.439
They got sort of white heads and like, oh... long distance apart.

2806
02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:50.460
I'd just seen Gillian's fabulous space outfit.

2807
02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:51.960
And then these people.

2808
02:00:52.140 --> 02:00:56.640
Actually, you know, trying to do a bit of Star Wars-y kind of

2809
02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:57.960
aliens here at this point.

2810
02:00:58.020 --> 02:01:01.380
Although it's nice to see Andorians and stuff and Tellerides in

2811
02:01:01.380 --> 02:01:01.739
the back.

2812
02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:03.300
Look at the front in the middle.

2813
02:01:03.300 --> 02:01:06.119
I can't even describe that.

2814
02:01:06.180 --> 02:01:07.439
That's the dolly person.

2815
02:01:07.500 --> 02:01:10.439
I don't know what that is Oh my god. that's like something out of

2816
02:01:10.439 --> 02:01:11.100
Miyazaki.

2817
02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:14.520
They're going, Nemo, just don't stay on them too long, all right?

2818
02:01:14.579 --> 02:01:15.239
Just quickly.

2819
02:01:15.300 --> 02:01:19.739
Oh, and I think the guy with the shaved head is a Delton, I

2820
02:01:19.739 --> 02:01:21.060
think.

2821
02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:24.779
Honestly, Tom, the knowledge he has a good Star Trek Aliens and

2822
02:01:24.779 --> 02:01:27.659
spaceships is... extraordinary.

2823
02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:32.520
Well, don't you remember, don't you remember, um, Agnes getting

2824
02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:37.859
drunk and and being hit on by Adelton at the beginning of, um, of

2825
02:01:37.859 --> 02:01:39.060
series 2 of Picard?

2826
02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:41.640
And they're very hot.

2827
02:01:41.699 --> 02:01:43.619
Clearly.

2828
02:01:44.220 --> 02:01:45.479
Why they say it all then?

2829
02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:50.220
There we go.

2830
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:51.479
This is how chipping him off now.

2831
02:01:51.539 --> 02:01:52.560
Yeah, that's it.

2832
02:01:52.619 --> 02:01:54.000
Thanks for the ride, mate.

2833
02:01:54.060 --> 02:01:55.260
I've got a great job.

2834
02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:56.159
I'll see you later.

2835
02:01:56.220 --> 02:01:56.880
See you.

2836
02:01:56.939 --> 02:02:01.020
That was a great date. 10 minute date earlier in the film where we

2837
02:02:01.020 --> 02:02:04.319
had to take the food away.

2838
02:02:04.380 --> 02:02:07.020
I know a platonic kiss on the cheek she gives in when she's really

2839
02:02:07.020 --> 02:02:09.180
just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, see you later.

2840
02:02:09.539 --> 02:02:11.760
Oh, no, I may write.

2841
02:02:11.819 --> 02:02:15.239
The uses grinder, but basically he travels the world and he's got

2842
02:02:15.239 --> 02:02:16.859
a bloke in every port.

2843
02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:19.619
So, yeah, when he's there, he kind of gets in touch and says, right

2844
02:02:19.619 --> 02:02:20.220
I'm back in town.

2845
02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:22.619
I think this is what Captain Kirk does of all the ladies around

2846
02:02:22.619 --> 02:02:23.279
the galaxy.

2847
02:02:23.340 --> 02:02:26.039
So he's got her number.

2848
02:02:26.100 --> 02:02:28.260
I don't think Julian's having any of that, though.

2849
02:02:29.220 --> 02:02:30.899
Who are you again?

2850
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:37.920
Oh, here we go.

2851
02:02:37.979 --> 02:02:39.359
That had to happen, didn't it?

2852
02:02:39.420 --> 02:02:41.640
if we had Sarek at the beginning.

2853
02:02:41.699 --> 02:02:43.140
I mean, we've had his mother as well.

2854
02:02:43.199 --> 02:02:44.460
So we do get both.

2855
02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:46.979
It is Mark Lennon again, isn't it, when he comes back in TNG?

2856
02:02:47.039 --> 02:02:47.460
Yeah.

2857
02:02:47.460 --> 02:02:48.600
It's extraordinary.

2858
02:02:48.659 --> 02:02:53.159
He played this part over such a long span of time on TV and movies

2859
02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:54.720
in on TV again.

2860
02:02:55.140 --> 02:02:59.159
I love that episode of TNG with Sarag.

2861
02:02:59.220 --> 02:03:02.220
You know, there was a huge fight behind the scenes about whether

2862
02:03:02.220 --> 02:03:07.739
they could say Spock's name because Roddenbury was very much, we

2863
02:03:07.739 --> 02:03:08.939
don't talk about the original series.

2864
02:03:09.000 --> 02:03:09.479
It didn't happen.

2865
02:03:09.539 --> 02:03:12.600
And they're like, well, we've got Mark Leonard, and eventually the

2866
02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:16.619
deal was that Patrick Stewart could say the name Spock once.

2867
02:03:16.979 --> 02:03:18.899
Geez.

2868
02:03:18.899 --> 02:03:20.279
Yeah.

2869
02:03:20.340 --> 02:03:24.119
And then they, is he dead when unification parts one and 2 happen

2870
02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:26.760
or he's in one, isn't he?

2871
02:03:26.819 --> 02:03:29.579
And then doesn't he die between one and two?

2872
02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:30.899
I can't remember.

2873
02:03:31.020 --> 02:03:33.659
I think they dedicate 2 to him, I think.

2874
02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:35.640
Like in memory of, I think.

2875
02:03:35.640 --> 02:03:37.260
Rottenberry made one or two.

2876
02:03:37.260 --> 02:03:38.640
Baffling choices, didn't he?

2877
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:39.420
You really did.

2878
02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:42.899
They didn't want to do Vulcans again, did they?

2879
02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:46.800
No, when we get to Vulcans in Enterprise, maybe it would have been

2880
02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:47.159
a cool thing.

2881
02:03:47.819 --> 02:03:50.579
The Fox Enterprise is such shit.

2882
02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:52.859
Dr. Salah.

2883
02:03:52.979 --> 02:03:54.119
Do you remember Dr. Salon?

2884
02:03:54.180 --> 02:03:54.600
Oh, yes.

2885
02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:55.680
She's just in that one episode.

2886
02:03:56.220 --> 02:03:57.600
Yeah.

2887
02:03:57.600 --> 02:03:58.800
The schizoid man.

2888
02:03:58.859 --> 02:03:59.760
Yeah, she's wonderful.

2889
02:03:59.819 --> 02:04:03.180
But they're still mentioning her over the tanoi in like...

2890
02:04:03.180 --> 02:04:05.760
I was talking more... of his creative choice.

2891
02:04:05.819 --> 02:04:07.140
We won't have conflict on this show.

2892
02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:07.920
Okay.

2893
02:04:07.979 --> 02:04:09.899
No wonder it's so boring.

2894
02:04:09.960 --> 02:04:12.600
But I still think that that's right.

2895
02:04:12.659 --> 02:04:16.680
I think conflict between the characters when we see it on Voyager

2896
02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:18.060
is always shit.

2897
02:04:18.119 --> 02:04:19.680
You know, like it's just terrible.

2898
02:04:19.739 --> 02:04:23.579
Even worse on Enterprise, where there, I, you know, I watched all

2899
02:04:23.579 --> 02:04:27.720
these episodes in which these fantastically capable people are all

2900
02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:29.819
incredibly reasonable and brilliant that I want to be just like

2901
02:04:29.819 --> 02:04:30.239
all of them.

2902
02:04:30.300 --> 02:04:35.279
And then on Enterprise, it's 3 arguably 4 years of watching scrubs

2903
02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:36.119
bickering with each other.

2904
02:04:36.180 --> 02:04:37.199
It's just not as engaging.

2905
02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:40.140
But I think it works brilliant brilliantly on DS 9.

2906
02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:43.380
Yeah, well, DS9 because they're not all Starfleets.

2907
02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:46.199
They're a hotchpotch of people from all sorts of different

2908
02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:48.899
situations and here we go.

2909
02:04:48.899 --> 02:04:53.220
This is that interminable sequence in motion picture, but done in

2910
02:04:53.220 --> 02:04:55.859
a 5th time and twice as effective.

2911
02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:57.779
Sorry, that's not enough.

2912
02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:58.439
It's 100.

2913
02:04:58.739 --> 02:05:03.539
Yeah, that is a long sequence in the motion picture.

2914
02:05:05.340 --> 02:05:09.420
It's one of our favourite moments in lower decks when they do that

2915
02:05:09.420 --> 02:05:12.359
in crisis point. and you just get the same thing.

2916
02:05:12.420 --> 02:05:13.979
There's literally no jokes at all.

2917
02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:17.100
It is just the camera going around while the lower decks music

2918
02:05:17.100 --> 02:05:19.020
plays loudly.

2919
02:05:19.079 --> 02:05:20.460
The soundtrack.

2920
02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:21.479
No one says anything.

2921
02:05:21.539 --> 02:05:23.100
I don't think they kept that set.

2922
02:05:23.159 --> 02:05:26.399
I think they built a new bridge for five.

2923
02:05:26.460 --> 02:05:27.420
And it's a lovely set.

2924
02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:31.680
Oh, and here's a series of steels to remind us of all the fun we

2925
02:05:31.680 --> 02:05:32.399
had along the way.

2926
02:05:32.460 --> 02:05:35.520
Well, for minus, this is a TV show.

2927
02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:38.699
Baylock at the end. wouldn't that be great?

2928
02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:40.619
for no reason.

2929
02:05:40.800 --> 02:05:42.539
Yes, please.

2930
02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:44.939
Yeah, near Ryan Slave, girl.

2931
02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:45.600
Why?

2932
02:05:45.659 --> 02:05:49.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm not sure Savage deserves to steal, though.

2933
02:05:49.140 --> 02:05:50.640
She was only in here for a scene.

2934
02:05:50.699 --> 02:05:52.979
She got opening credits.

2935
02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:55.020
She was just hacked out of the film, wasn't she?

2936
02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:56.039
Like, that was the thing.

2937
02:05:56.100 --> 02:05:57.239
We just didn't want her.

2938
02:05:57.300 --> 02:05:59.279
There's Kirk Thatcher as punk on bus.

2939
02:06:02.340 --> 02:06:07.500
Well, I think that film is very popular for a reason in that.

2940
02:06:07.619 --> 02:06:08.279
Yeah, yeah.

2941
02:06:08.399 --> 02:06:12.239
Like it's not making great shakes, but it is just very

2942
02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:13.380
entertaining to watch.

2943
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.680
And it's very insane to watch again and again.

2944
02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:20.640
It just does some surprising things.

2945
02:06:20.699 --> 02:06:24.479
Like it makes some very surprising choices that end up working

2946
02:06:24.479 --> 02:06:27.239
amazingly well, I think.

2947
02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:31.380
And I think it sort of, I think it judges how the audience feels

2948
02:06:31.380 --> 02:06:37.739
about Star Trek after the 1st 3 films and after, you know, nearly

2949
02:06:37.739 --> 02:06:40.859
2 decades of distance from from the actual show.

2950
02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:42.779
It makes a decision that they don't like Star Trek.

2951
02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:44.579
I don't like Star Trek just for one movie.

2952
02:06:45.119 --> 02:06:47.880
But I mean, this, do you know what I mean?

2953
02:06:47.939 --> 02:06:51.600
Like this keeps Star Trek going, and it's something that Star Trek

2954
02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:55.260
goes back to, and, and like I said, that idea of making the future

2955
02:06:55.260 --> 02:07:00.239
slightly ridiculous as well is absolutely part of what the show

2956
02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:01.199
continues to do.

2957
02:07:01.319 --> 02:07:02.640
You think this has been bettered?

2958
02:07:05.760 --> 02:07:07.560
going back in time and having fun.

2959
02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:14.279
So overall, it's my 3rd favourite of the movies after Roth of Khan

2960
02:07:14.279 --> 02:07:15.119
and 1st contact.

2961
02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:21.359
And it's very close between this and 1st contact, but I think, 1st

2962
02:07:21.359 --> 02:07:24.659
contact, just get to a couple extra points for being a Star Trek

2963
02:07:24.659 --> 02:07:30.539
film. which, like I said, for all its virtues, this isn't.

2964
02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:32.039
But it's a very good.

2965
02:07:32.100 --> 02:07:36.539
There's a story that Nemoy tells that Ned Tanner, whoever it was

2966
02:07:36.539 --> 02:07:40.260
at Paramount, took him to lunch when they had the script and said

2967
02:07:40.260 --> 02:07:41.520
you know, this is this is magic.

2968
02:07:41.579 --> 02:07:42.539
This is everything we wanted.

2969
02:07:42.600 --> 02:07:46.260
We would make this even if it wasn't a Star Trek film, which in

2970
02:07:46.260 --> 02:07:49.500
some ways it's like the highest compliment that any screenwriter

2971
02:07:49.500 --> 02:07:51.659
could be paid handed this assignment.

2972
02:07:52.260 --> 02:07:54.960
Where does this rank rank for you, Nathan?

2973
02:07:55.079 --> 02:08:00.539
Among the Star Trek films, this is probably my favourite, but I

2974
02:08:00.539 --> 02:08:06.300
like 6 a great deal and I do like 1st contact.

2975
02:08:06.420 --> 02:08:10.439
I haven't gone back and watched Khan as often as I should, and

2976
02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:15.659
like, I know that that ending scene would still land all these

2977
02:08:15.659 --> 02:08:18.960
decades later, and, you know, all the times I've seen it

2978
02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:19.800
excerpted.

2979
02:08:19.859 --> 02:08:21.659
So that would probably go up.

2980
02:08:22.140 --> 02:08:30.659
I mean, one thing is that I don't think that, like, I don't think

2981
02:08:30.659 --> 02:08:36.300
that this, say, and Picard series 2 are comparable because they're

2982
02:08:36.300 --> 02:08:40.020
so different in their purpose and when they're being told and

2983
02:08:40.020 --> 02:08:40.380
things.

2984
02:08:40.439 --> 02:08:44.939
I do think that they can be bolder with the politics in Picard

2985
02:08:44.939 --> 02:08:48.779
series too, and they can very definitely, you know, almost make a

2986
02:08:48.779 --> 02:08:50.399
sort of party political call.

2987
02:08:50.460 --> 02:08:55.079
And, you know, there's those episodes where ice are the villain.

2988
02:08:55.140 --> 02:08:59.520
You know, like it's, it's, it's really properly political in a way

2989
02:08:59.520 --> 02:09:01.500
that new Star Trek is.

2990
02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:04.680
And what struck me this time maybe for the 1st time is how

2991
02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:10.079
political the whole Wales thing really is, in a way that seems

2992
02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:13.020
ridiculous, that putting this sort of ludicrous thing at the heart

2993
02:09:13.020 --> 02:09:13.439
of the film.

2994
02:09:13.500 --> 02:09:18.300
But it is still very telling, I think, that that's what they

2995
02:09:18.300 --> 02:09:19.500
decided to centre it on.

2996
02:09:19.619 --> 02:09:22.979
And I think they did explore some other avenues as well.

2997
02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:26.279
I think for a while they were thinking about, uh, they have to get

2998
02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:31.500
a violin maker from the uh, from the 20th century in order to, I

2999
02:09:31.500 --> 02:09:32.220
don't know.

3000
02:09:32.279 --> 02:09:35.819
There has to be something that we don't have anymore, like a

3001
02:09:35.819 --> 02:09:38.340
Stradivarius, I guess, is what they were thinking of, something

3002
02:09:38.340 --> 02:09:38.760
like that.

3003
02:09:38.880 --> 02:09:43.739
But yeah, there's something about just the sheer physicality. of

3004
02:09:43.739 --> 02:09:47.699
it having to be these colossal marine mammals and just the

3005
02:09:47.699 --> 02:09:52.079
difficulty of that just makes it feel like it has an epic scope, a

3006
02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:52.619
size to it.

3007
02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:54.359
Imagine if it had been the fish.

3008
02:09:54.479 --> 02:09:56.880
They could have just gone in with a net and gone, well, let's go.

3009
02:09:56.939 --> 02:09:59.399
A movie would have been half an hour.

3010
02:09:59.460 --> 02:10:02.220
But I guess ideally a McGuffin needs to be either something which

3011
02:10:02.220 --> 02:10:06.420
is very small and easily lost or absolutely colossal and

3012
02:10:06.420 --> 02:10:07.619
incredibly difficult to transport.

3013
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.479
But you can't have it medium-sized.

3014
02:10:09.539 --> 02:10:10.920
You can't have it be a dog.

3015
02:10:10.979 --> 02:10:11.399
Who cares?

3016
02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:17.220
But having it, having it a thing that emphasises how much our

3017
02:10:17.220 --> 02:10:23.880
survival depends on what we do with the environment and that, again

3018
02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:26.520
is the thing that comes up in Picard series too, but having it

3019
02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:30.479
done here, that human beings will die because there are no

3020
02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:34.260
humpback whales because we hunted them to extinction.

3021
02:10:34.319 --> 02:10:35.760
That's what's said, isn't it?

3022
02:10:35.819 --> 02:10:38.880
That's one of the things that Gillian picks up on, is that Spock

3023
02:10:38.880 --> 02:10:41.819
talks about how we hunted these things to extinction.

3024
02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:44.039
And so having that be the plot.

3025
02:10:44.100 --> 02:10:47.460
That's actually, it's not just a Stradivarius.

3026
02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:51.119
It is representing something that is actually true in actually

3027
02:10:51.119 --> 02:10:53.100
happening in a really vivid way.

3028
02:10:53.159 --> 02:10:55.020
And so I think that's pretty great.

3029
02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:58.560
The Carl series 2 stretches out over 10 hours.

3030
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:02.520
And it does strain at the edges of quite a bit.

3031
02:11:02.579 --> 02:11:06.899
This is 2 hours and it's dealing it's dealing with the message for

3032
02:11:06.899 --> 02:11:10.500
about 20 minutes of those 2 hours and it's just having a lot of

3033
02:11:10.500 --> 02:11:11.220
fun otherwise.

3034
02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:15.779
I think I think Khan is the best Star Trek movie.

3035
02:11:15.960 --> 02:11:19.199
I think this is my favourite because I think this is the most

3036
02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:22.079
relaxed Star Trek we get.

3037
02:11:22.140 --> 02:11:25.500
I think precursed when Trek.

3038
02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:28.199
Star Trek doesn't relax anywhere near enough as it should.

3039
02:11:28.260 --> 02:11:31.619
And everyone is just super chill in this movie.

3040
02:11:31.680 --> 02:11:32.880
And I don't know who said it.

3041
02:11:32.939 --> 02:11:35.460
Everyone knows what they're doing in this movie.

3042
02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:36.779
They know what they're going for.

3043
02:11:37.020 --> 02:11:39.960
And they they get there, they do it.

3044
02:11:40.020 --> 02:11:41.460
It's just incredible fun.

3045
02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:43.260
It's a really good time.

3046
02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:51.899
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

3047
02:11:51.899 --> 02:11:54.720
find out what we're going to be watching next.

3048
02:11:54.779 --> 02:11:59.220
I've sent Tom over to Untitled Star Trek project. slash

3049
02:11:59.220 --> 02:12:00.239
randomiser.

3050
02:12:00.300 --> 02:12:03.600
And Tom, tell us what series we're choosing from.

3051
02:12:04.140 --> 02:12:09.479
Well, the task I set myself was to start watching Star Trek, the

3052
02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:13.500
original series, and keep going at the rate of one episode a day

3053
02:12:13.500 --> 02:12:17.340
and that got me to the end of Enterprise in just under 2 years.

3054
02:12:17.399 --> 02:12:17.699
Wow.

3055
02:12:17.699 --> 02:12:21.359
So looking at your website.

3056
02:12:21.420 --> 02:12:25.619
Down the left-hand side, I've got all of the episodes and films

3057
02:12:25.619 --> 02:12:29.460
that I've watched and blogged about and down the right-hand side.

3058
02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:30.659
I've got all the stuff I haven't.

3059
02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:32.279
So I'm going to give you the right hand side.

3060
02:12:32.340 --> 02:12:35.520
I'm going to give you Star Trek Discovery short treks all the way

3061
02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:36.479
down to Strange New Worlds.

3062
02:12:36.600 --> 02:12:37.920
Really?

3063
02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:38.399
Here we go.

3064
02:12:38.460 --> 02:12:40.619
I've never felt safer in another man's hand.

3065
02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:41.579
Press it up.

3066
02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:42.300
Bless you.

3067
02:12:42.420 --> 02:12:48.180
Your random Star Trek Picard episode is no win situation. season

3068
02:12:48.180 --> 02:12:49.319
three, episode four.

3069
02:12:49.380 --> 02:12:50.880
Oh, season three.

3070
02:12:50.939 --> 02:12:54.119
Oh, that's not the one with the scene in the bar, is it?

3071
02:12:54.539 --> 02:12:56.220
Is it that one?

3072
02:12:56.279 --> 02:12:56.819
I think it is.

3073
02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:57.779
I think it is.

3074
02:12:58.260 --> 02:13:03.060
So Star Trek, Picard series 3, which is obviously, and I didn't

3075
02:13:03.060 --> 02:13:06.539
realise this at the time because I'm a massive idiot, leading up

3076
02:13:06.539 --> 02:13:09.000
to the moment where all of them are on the bridge of the

3077
02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:12.060
Enterprise D, saving the galaxy again.

3078
02:13:12.119 --> 02:13:17.220
But before that, it basically does a long Mutara nebula sequence

3079
02:13:17.220 --> 02:13:17.880
doesn't it?

3080
02:13:17.939 --> 02:13:22.020
Like for episode after episode, it's astounding how long it goes

3081
02:13:22.020 --> 02:13:22.319
on.

3082
02:13:22.380 --> 02:13:24.060
Well, that's the episode I think it is.

3083
02:13:24.119 --> 02:13:26.760
That's the best episode of that season.

3084
02:13:26.819 --> 02:13:28.560
It's the one where everything stops.

3085
02:13:28.680 --> 02:13:32.520
So they're in that tense situation and it's just a series of

3086
02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:36.720
brilliant character scenes with what's her name?

3087
02:13:36.779 --> 02:13:37.680
Captain Shaw.

3088
02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:38.520
Yeah.

3089
02:13:38.520 --> 02:13:43.020
I think we probably just do it.

3090
02:13:43.079 --> 02:13:47.100
We don't often do our 1st one, but we haven't done series 3 of

3091
02:13:47.100 --> 02:13:48.180
Picard at all.

3092
02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:51.720
And I think that might be a fun one to do.

3093
02:13:51.720 --> 02:13:58.260
And I do, I have a very, very soft spot for Amanda Plummer, who is

3094
02:13:58.260 --> 02:14:03.000
a 2nd generation Star Trek excellent, which is a pretty impressive

3095
02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:03.720
theme.

3096
02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:08.939
And she is magnificent in this, really properly good, I think. do

3097
02:14:08.939 --> 02:14:09.359
you reckon?

3098
02:14:09.420 --> 02:14:10.619
I knew they were safe hands.

3099
02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:11.399
Let's do it.

3100
02:14:11.460 --> 02:14:13.500
Fantastic, yeah.

3101
02:14:21.300 --> 02:14:25.500
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

3102
02:14:25.500 --> 02:14:28.560
Nathan Bottomley, and special guest star Tom Selinski.

3103
02:14:28.619 --> 02:14:32.340
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

3104
02:14:32.340 --> 02:14:35.159
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

3105
02:14:35.220 --> 02:14:38.939
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

3106
02:14:38.939 --> 02:14:40.380
composed by Cameron Lamb.

3107
02:14:40.439 --> 02:14:44.460
This episode was recorded on the 5th of December 2023 and released

3108
02:14:44.460 --> 02:14:45.659
on the 8th of December.

3109
02:14:45.720 --> 02:14:50.100
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Picard, No Win scenario.

3110
02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:10.739
Without stroking your ego too much, Tom. 12 midday is the most

3111
02:15:10.739 --> 02:15:14.340
miserable part of my day because I work 7 till 4 and I work in

3112
02:15:14.340 --> 02:15:14.699
retail.

3113
02:15:14.760 --> 02:15:17.819
So by the time I've got to 12 o'clock, I'm really miserable.

3114
02:15:17.880 --> 02:15:20.460
I sort of just over the halfway point through my shift.

3115
02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:23.579
So that one paragraph that you said at 12 o'clock.

3116
02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:27.119
Yeah, it gives me something to think about for the next 4 hours

3117
02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:31.079
whether that's...

3118
02:15:31.079 --> 02:15:33.239
Oh, man, what a solid bloke.

3119
02:15:33.300 --> 02:15:39.479
Sometimes it's got to be, well, you know, like when Tom's watched

3120
02:15:39.479 --> 02:15:43.260
watching an episode of Enterprise, it's got to be, well, I might

3121
02:15:43.260 --> 02:15:46.560
be at work, but Tom had to watch that episode of Enterprise.

3122
02:15:46.619 --> 02:15:48.420
So like I'm not...

3123
02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:50.939
It's not the person worst off in the whole world.

3124
02:15:51.000 --> 02:15:55.619
Except when that, that, um, 2 nights in Sick Bay, which is, of

3125
02:15:55.619 --> 02:15:55.800
course.

3126
02:15:55.859 --> 02:15:57.779
Is it a night in sick pain?

3127
02:15:57.899 --> 02:15:58.680
A nice night, okay?

3128
02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:03.180
Which is, of course, great. one of my favourite King, honestly.

3129
02:16:03.239 --> 02:16:04.079
So good.

3130
02:16:04.140 --> 02:16:05.520
That puppet dog.

3131
02:16:05.579 --> 02:16:06.000
I love it.

3132
02:16:06.899 --> 02:16:11.939
In a way, you know, it's great that we got this film because it's

3133
02:16:11.939 --> 02:16:13.140
such a fun film to talk about.

3134
02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:17.279
And in a way, it's not great because, well, it's so great that

3135
02:16:17.279 --> 02:16:21.420
what you do, say it's great for 2 hours, you know, like, there's

3136
02:16:21.420 --> 02:16:24.659
not really too much to criticise here unless there is, and you

3137
02:16:24.659 --> 02:16:25.680
guys are going to surprise me.

3138
02:16:26.399 --> 02:16:29.699
I'm not critical, and in fact, there's something I'm going to say

3139
02:16:29.699 --> 02:16:36.899
about it that I think is probably, um, Oh, you know, like that is

3140
02:16:36.899 --> 02:16:37.739
that might be surprising.

3141
02:16:37.860 --> 02:16:38.459
I don't know.

3142
02:16:38.520 --> 02:16:39.120
I don't know.

3143
02:16:39.180 --> 02:16:41.940
Only criticism is I've seen it too many times.

3144
02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:43.079
Now.

3145
02:16:43.139 --> 02:16:48.239
Basically, no it, frame by frames, and it's just no surprise.

3146
02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:50.520
But no, you know, you know, when you watch something over and over

3147
02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:51.899
and you still get stuff from it.

3148
02:16:51.959 --> 02:16:55.260
Like, I think, I've just watched this about 200 times this film.

3149
02:16:55.379 --> 02:16:56.819
So I know it lying for lying.

3150
02:16:56.879 --> 02:16:59.100
The quotes may be interminable for both of you.

3151
02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:01.680
Brilliant.

3152
02:17:02.280 --> 02:17:03.899
All right.

3153
02:17:03.959 --> 02:17:06.780
I think I'm overlit, just a sec.

3154
02:17:06.840 --> 02:17:08.040
That doesn't matter, does it, really?

3155
02:17:08.459 --> 02:17:11.819
It depends how pretty you want to look on this recording.

3156
02:17:11.879 --> 02:17:13.559
Yeah, that's true.

3157
02:17:13.620 --> 02:17:17.700
We just, I just got a picture from one of my flights or entirety

3158
02:17:17.700 --> 02:17:24.840
co-hosts of, um, a bunch of flights through entirety people at, uh

3159
02:17:24.840 --> 02:17:31.079
Australia's Wonderland, a very crappy theme park in 1994 um, with

3160
02:17:31.079 --> 02:17:32.760
TV's Gary Russell.

3161
02:17:32.940 --> 02:17:38.100
And like, so I've known all of those people for 30 years and I had

3162
02:17:38.100 --> 02:17:41.639
so much hair and, you know, it was dark.

3163
02:17:41.700 --> 02:17:42.360
It was amazing.

3164
02:17:42.420 --> 02:17:45.360
My instant response was, who are those people?

3165
02:17:45.420 --> 02:17:48.479
Yeah, they knew like you'd seen.

3166
02:17:48.540 --> 02:17:50.879
You've podcasted with nearly all of them.

3167
02:17:51.120 --> 02:17:53.459
You're more handsome now.

3168
02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:54.479
Honestly.

3169
02:17:54.540 --> 02:17:55.680
Yeah.

3170
02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:59.700
Okay, we better jump into this before this gets...

3171
02:17:59.760 --> 02:18:00.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3172
02:18:00.780 --> 02:18:01.680
We better do that.

3173
02:18:01.799 --> 02:18:03.360
All right.

3174
02:18:03.420 --> 02:18:10.920
So how about, um, How about I go, hey, Joe, you go hi, Joe, and

3175
02:18:10.920 --> 02:18:13.799
then Joe. You go, hey, Tom.

3176
02:18:13.860 --> 02:18:14.340
Okay.

3177
02:18:14.399 --> 02:18:14.879
Sure.

3178
02:18:15.059 --> 02:18:16.500
Yeah.

3179
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:20.700
And then I might, then I'll launch in and kind of contextualise it

3180
02:18:20.700 --> 02:18:21.420
I guess.

3181
02:18:21.479 --> 02:18:22.139
Okay.

3182
02:18:22.139 --> 02:18:26.459
Okay. and the beginning and end bid can be edited so you can start

3183
02:18:26.459 --> 02:18:28.440
and stop and stuff and you can fuck up.

3184
02:18:28.500 --> 02:18:29.100
Do you know what I mean?

3185
02:18:29.159 --> 02:18:31.799
Like it's only the actual bit in the middle where we're watching

3186
02:18:31.799 --> 02:18:34.559
the thing where I'm limited to how far I can shift us around.

3187
02:18:34.620 --> 02:18:39.840
As um, Toast the cat is making her displeasure known.

3188
02:18:39.899 --> 02:18:40.379
Can you hear that?

3189
02:18:40.440 --> 02:18:41.700
Shall I try and...

3190
02:18:42.180 --> 02:18:43.559
Okay, honestly.

3191
02:18:43.620 --> 02:18:44.520
Gorilla podcast.

3192
02:18:44.579 --> 02:18:45.420
Yes, no, call it.

3193
02:18:45.420 --> 02:18:46.200
Anything can happen.

3194
02:18:46.260 --> 02:18:47.459
Yeah.

3195
02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:49.799
Oh yeah, let's say hello.

3196
02:18:49.860 --> 02:18:51.479
Oh, hello.

3197
02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:54.360
Oh, look at that.

3198
02:18:54.420 --> 02:18:56.940
Ooh, you can get your own right in there, yeah.

3199
02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:03.780
Tom, please wandering the house.

3200
02:19:03.840 --> 02:19:06.059
I don't know what they're gonna do for 2.5 hours.

3201
02:19:06.120 --> 02:19:08.219
Alvin's my husband's on here.

3202
02:19:08.280 --> 02:19:09.239
It's just me.

3203
02:19:09.299 --> 02:19:10.500
I've left all the doors open.

3204
02:19:10.559 --> 02:19:14.579
I've stopped all of his clocks, which he just collects to annoy me

3205
02:19:14.579 --> 02:19:19.139
and now I'm imagining that the other room looks like the opening

3206
02:19:19.139 --> 02:19:20.219
scene of Back to the Future.

3207
02:19:22.379 --> 02:19:27.959
Or the or the TV movie, the Tartars, the Tartars in the telly

3208
02:19:27.959 --> 02:19:28.139
maybe.

3209
02:19:28.620 --> 02:19:30.959
How many lights to go?

3210
02:19:31.020 --> 02:19:32.819
Uh one.

3211
02:19:32.879 --> 02:19:33.420
Okay.

3212
02:19:33.479 --> 02:19:35.159
Yeah, yeah.

3213
02:19:35.219 --> 02:19:37.739
He has turned lights off from Bangkok.

3214
02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:42.420
He lived in Japan for a year.

3215
02:19:42.479 --> 02:19:43.799
He's got this thing about lights.

3216
02:19:43.860 --> 02:19:47.579
He used to text me and say, you left the light on in the laundry

3217
02:19:47.579 --> 02:19:51.540
and eventually I just texted me back and said, uh, for every text

3218
02:19:51.540 --> 02:19:55.440
of that nature I received from now on, I'll turn on an additional

3219
02:19:55.440 --> 02:19:57.000
light and it stopped.

3220
02:19:57.059 --> 02:20:00.180
But now he can actually turn them off remotely using the home

3221
02:20:00.180 --> 02:20:00.600
app.

3222
02:20:00.659 --> 02:20:04.559
So it's not a battle of wills in that house. is a battle of power

3223
02:20:04.559 --> 02:20:05.159
isn't it?

3224
02:20:05.219 --> 02:20:06.120
Yeah, yeah.

3225
02:20:06.180 --> 02:20:06.899
Power play.

3226
02:20:06.959 --> 02:20:07.559
All right.