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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we've come off a run of fairly mediocre episodes culminating

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obviously, in threshold, and essentially there was really only one

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way for us to go, which was up.

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And we've had some success watching the original series.

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Wow, a better success.

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Quite a bit.

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I love some of them.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But I somehow feel that we haven't gone up quite as far as I would

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have hoped.

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I'll put this in perspective for our audience.

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I believe this is the 1st episode of Untitled Star Trek project

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that you have ever watched and commentated on with alcohol.

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Ah, yes, yes.

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No, I've been driven to drink by this one.

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I'm drinking a small, a small amount of champagne just to take the

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edge off the recording here.

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That's what I'm here for.

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So it's whom gods destroy.

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It's from the Freddie Freiburger era of Star Trek.

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The most popular season of Star Trek ever.

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Yeah, well, you see, I have another podcast at the moment called

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Startling Barbara Bain, which is about Space 1999.

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It's still the best podcast name I've ever heard.

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Yep, no, thanks, James.

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It's really good.

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And it gets taken off Sylvia Anderson in the 2nd series.

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And it goes to Freddie Freiberger and he does basically the same

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thing to Space 1999 that he seems to be doing to Star Trek.

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And, you know, Plato's stepchildren.

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Yeah, I have a feeling that Plato's stepchildren is a lot like

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this as well.

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Like there's just sort of prolonged scenes of people being

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compelled to behave weirdly for no particular reason.

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And there's the way to eat it is as well.

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You know, the one with the dreadful hippies that come along.

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Just long dialogue scenes of people behaving in a particularly

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bizarre way and then it ends.

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Yeah, like there's a real sort of sense of waiting out the clock

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here.

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And part of the problem, I think, is too, that it's using

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something, which is the idea of criminal insanity as a sort of

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centrepiece of it.

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But criminal insanity is really literally something made up that

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villains can suffer from, you know, so that they have delusions of

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grandeur.

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And so this doesn't have anything profound to say about mental

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illness because it just sort of takes that as a kind of, I don't

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know, dressing or something, like it's not about mental illness.

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It's about a weird sort of, you know, narrative.

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Or he compares himself to Hitler.

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Yeah, you know, all Napoleon that we've known.

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Yeah, that's that's where we end up.

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Yeah, he's on a planet called Elba 2.

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So that sort of that thing where there's a mad person who thinks

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they're Julius Caesar or a mad person who thinks they're

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Napoleon.

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Like that's a sort of famous and particularly sort of mid-20th

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century TV thing, but it's not real.

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So what we have is a bunch of antagonists who just behave oddly

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and don't seem to have any sort of clear motives and who change

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their sort of mercurial, they change their attitude from moment to

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moment.

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Their motives change from scene to scene.

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I swear to God.

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Oh, even within scenes.

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And in a way, that's kind of fun.

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There is some fun to be had to.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that is sort of...

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A couple of the reversals, a couple of the twists, yeah, the story

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are quite fun.

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But it's really long and really kind of thin and when it does

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actually talk about mental illness, it's such a sort of, you know

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I don't know, it's like the ladybird book, you know, the big book

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of mental illness.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. stupid.

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Like, it's so stupid.

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You're in trouble with men's wellness on TV because TV is

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sensational.

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So they've got a sensationalizer in some way.

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And then TV science fiction is way sensational.

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So they're going to way over sensationalising in this.

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And so there, that's where we end up.

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Mental illness equates wanting to take over the entire galaxy.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And and there's a problem with that.

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That's not a particularly progressive position to take.

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And one of the things that we have always done when we're telling

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stories is we've found groups of people who we can other, who we

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can cast as villains, and you know there have been gay villains

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and sometimes we've enjoyed those.

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Um, but that's not good enough anymore.

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They've been black villains, they've been disabled villains.

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They've been disfigured villains, and they've been mentally ill

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villains.

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And it's something that I think we should be uncomfortable about.

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But, you know, it's a feature of 60s TV.

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I mean, we have women villains in the final episode of Star Trek

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the original series.

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Yeah.

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So, so, you know, the history of the show is not as progressive as

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we like to think it is and that's okay.

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Well, the inference seems to be on the whole that mental illness

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has been stamped out, isn't it, though, with their science and

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their enlightened attitudes, that these problems don't occur.

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But like when we return to this world, what we talked of might in

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statistical probabilities in DS9, it's a completely different

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kettler fish.

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They are trying to take over the universe.

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They're 4 people.

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They've had their sort of DNA mucks around with, and so that's

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affected their mental health, and you've got one who's a mute, one

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who's very childlike, one who's a bit like Xana Troy, a bit of a

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vamp, and one who is, you'd say psychotic, but he's just overly

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emotional, and sort of a bit unpredictable with it.

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And it's a lot more interesting than this, because it's a lot

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subtler than this, you know?

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But it's also about something.

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Like, they're trying to do something, and it's about Julian's

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relationship with them as someone who is also genetically altered

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and it's about the Dominion War, and there's something going on

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where here, there's just a lot of people standing in the room

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talking.

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You know straight away from this.

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You're on the back foot because they beam down and go, well, we've

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got this wonder drug that will cure all mental illness.

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So you just give it to them and they'll be all right.

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Okay.

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Well, that's not going to go right, is it?

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Like we've got 50 minutes to fill.

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But also, can you imagine we've developed this medicine that cures

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all physical illness?

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Like the whole thing is so stupid.

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Like it's such a, you know, it's written in crayon.

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Well, I think it probably was.

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I said to you that the idea of the asylum with the patients in

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charge, that's not a bad premise.

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That could be quite scary.

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If we weren't just, you know, having green women dancing around

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and a man camping it up in the middle of a set and everyone

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dressed up like they're from historical dramas and I don't know

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what is going on for half this episode.

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If it was if it was a genuinely scary, like American horror story

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series 2, I think it was.

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That was absolutely chilling.

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All set within an asylum and there was a point where the patients

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were in charge and terrible things were happening to people to the

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point where I was like, do I want to watch this anymore?

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This is a bit too nasty for me.

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But they were never going to do that here.

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So why approach this premise?

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if you're just going to sort of camp about with it and and not

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just not do anything scary with it.

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But I also think there are lapses in tone and things that I just

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didn't enjoy hearing or watching.

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Some of the things that Garth says, particularly to Martha, like

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how poorly she's treated by him and how little we care.

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Like, I don't know.

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I believe he called her, he called her a stupid cat. cow, I know.

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I've got to believe it.

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I had to message you in.

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I don't believe that.

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There's a line in 60s Street.

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I feel such an English...

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It does feel like a very English thing to say, doesn't it?

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Stupid cow, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It doesn't sound right in an American accent.

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No, no.

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Well, should we watch this thing?

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Well, we got 50 long minutes of it to get through.

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We do, we do.

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We don't want to run.

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I mean, I even went onto a memory alpha, and usually in the

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original series because they venerate that on memory alpha.

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It's packed full of quotes and there was only really data about

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this episode rather than any kind of opinion.

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I mean, I was desperate to know, what's the a fella's name who

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plays the the villain in this.

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His name is Steve Innard.

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I don't even know how to say that.

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Steve Inert, let's say.

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There's very little that's inert about him in the episode.

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I just wanted a quote from him to see what on earth he was going

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for in this episode.

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Because at some points, he's bordering on naturalistic.

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At other points, he's so far over the top, he's somewhere in a

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pantomime.

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From one scene to another, I just don't know.

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What are you getting out of this character?

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Or is it, he's just reading what's on the page?

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Whatever they're giving him and he's just playing it as is.

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Maybe.

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Which case I form the writer and because the writer's got no fruit

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line with this episode.

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No, that's it.

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They've given up.

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A bit.

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Yeah, I think so.

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And the fact that this is the sort of shit that happens more and

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more in series 3, I gather, is telling.

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And certainly I'm more familiar with series 2 of Space 1999 and I

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know that that's miserable.

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So, all right, what do you think?

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Let's do it, yeah.

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Yeah, I'll count us in.

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As long as you're prepared for me to start punching the floor like

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a completely mad man halfway through this episode, like Kirk

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does.

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I'm counting on it.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You know, I've got to say, I did really like the teaser.

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So I liked the reversal with the teaser, them coming down offering

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the drug.

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You know, hello, Captain Kerr.

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Welcome to the Mental Asylum, and then her Marcel is already a bit

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Gaga saying, you know, don't trust him.

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It's not the, you know, the leader of the stain asylum and then

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him taking over.

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And I thought, okay.

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That is really going to be fun.

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But unfortunately, I think that's where the plot stops.

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Yeah, when the title music starts.

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We don't really get any proper question after that.

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No.

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No, that's part of the problem, isn't it?

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But I did think that that was pretty good.

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Now, Marta is played by Yvonne Craig, and we'll talk more about

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her later, but this guy is called Key Luke, and I'm not sure that

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I'm pronouncing that correctly.

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He has a long career.

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So he's an Asian-American actor.

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He was briefly considered for the part of Obi-Wan Kenobi and for

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Dr. Sung in brothers, and he is Mr. Wing in Gremlins, who they buy

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the Gremlins.

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Of course he is.

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You know what?

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There was, I mean, I figured I was being racist.

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I was like, I recognised his face face from somewhere.

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No, no, that's and so he's got like contacting gremlins, hasn't

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he?

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like weird sort of white eyes.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

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But I think it's actually quite a good choice and a choice that

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another show might not make is just have him be a guy.

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Do you know what I mean?

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The way that it doesn't matter that Sulu's Japanese and he's on

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the bridge of the Enterprise.

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This guy's Chinese and he's just a guy who works in this asylum.

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And I, I thought that that was pretty good and I, I was a bit

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sorry not to see more of him because I think he's really good in

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this opening playing the 2 different parts as well.

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Did you hear that though?

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You could hear Captain Picard saying that.

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It's his, uh, was it Garf of Izar?

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His exploits were required reading when I was at Starfleet Academy

262
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yeah?

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So here's a von Craig, and her makeup is not super successful.

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So there are a couple of times where they just shine a green light

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on her so that she looks more...

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No, on her.

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They're just shining a green light on her.

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Okay.

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Well, we need to talk about the Iran's, because we did talk about

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them the other week, didn't we, about how it wasn't until lower

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decks that they started to get a bit of a break.

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Yeah, so he or she's just someone to have sex with a woman to be

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mistreated.

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And in a sort of upsetting way, I think. wasn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I laughed about the exploding green woman.

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I know, it's so great.

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What the hell is that Adoran wearing?

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I know, it's awesome, isn't it?

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He a pimp.

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The way he's got, he's got that sort of, it's like a, it's like a

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pink dressing gown with a real fluffy collar.

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But it looks like he's wearing a feather boa.

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Yeah, what do you think of the Tellrite in this one?

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Well, just as shit is normal.

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No, I think it's different.

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It's quite a different makeup than the normal Tellrite that you

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get on enterprise or, you know, journey to Babel, which that, I

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reckon that was terrifying to children.

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I reckon him suspended in that cell, frighten the hell out of a

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whole generation of kids.

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And this was a point where I was like, oh, God, we're in trouble.

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When she, all these weirdos start going around now.

295
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I was like, oh, this is going to be our camp.

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It's going to be crap.

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It is going to be crap.

298
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What, did you see the special effects shot of the 2 governors?

299
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He went outside to sell an email, yeah.

300
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Yeah, there's 2 good ones.

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They do the same thing with Kirk later as well, which looks very

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good.

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But then I'm never sure of these episodes now, whether it's been

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in harm.

305
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No, no, no.

306
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They could do that in the 60s.

307
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They do it in bewitched really successfully.

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And once again, tell you that I do always get past the original

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Star Trek theme music.

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I just don't like it.

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That's immoral.

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Oddly, during these opening credits, Spock is shot, and we don't

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see it in the teaser, and we go back to the action and he's being

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dragged out of the room after being shot.

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Ah.

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Which seems odd.

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I don't know why they're quite doing that, but there we go.

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There's not enough stock in this, is there?

319
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wanting him to come back every time they took him away.

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He is pretty great whenever he's in it, though.

321
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He is one of the highlights of the episode.

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It enlivens every time, even if it's just touching a false field

323
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or raising an eyebrow.

324
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He's pretty great.

325
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He's pretty great.

326
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Oh, God.

327
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Hey, look, look, they could just drag him off.

328
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He's been shot while we were watching those pretty pictures.

329
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I don't know what happened was going on, you know, while we were

330
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watching the movie.

331
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

332
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Now, you know about the rest.

333
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I like to buy Herb Wallenstein.

334
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You got a lot to ask for, Herb.

335
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Okay.

336
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Rain your actors in.

337
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So, so Yvonne Craig is Batgirl in Batman.

338
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Ishape, my God, you've done some research on this.

339
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Yeah, well, no, kind of, I kind of knew her name, and I think

340
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probably Richard, my friend who's a big fan of vintage TV, might

341
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have mentioned her as well.

342
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And I had seen a Batman with her in it.

343
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Um, And she is a dancer, which is one of the reasons why she's

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cast, but I think this is a pretty thankless part and kind of an

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embarrassing part.

346
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Yeah, I think that's terrifying, don't you?

347
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If you're a little kid watching that and the guy's peeing.

348
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Well, the guy suspended.

349
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Yeah.

350
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Yeah, yeah. great. don't know how.

351
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But we need a bit more of that in this.

352
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Yeah, you know?

353
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Well, I don't know.

354
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Setting up a room with a throne and yeah, the most scary part of

355
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the whole episode is when she blows up out on the planet.

356
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Yeah.

357
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Yeah, but again, I'm trying to work out.

358
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We'll get there, but who that is...

359
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No, it's worth remembering.

360
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When we rolled this episode on the randomiser.

361
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That was the one thing you remember about this.

362
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Yeah.

363
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So something lodged in your brain there.

364
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Yeah, exploiting green woman.

365
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Unforgettable.

366
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Now, you and I have discussed off mic about William Shatner.

367
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Oh, I think he's giving us a little bit of welly.

368
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Not enough, but you think he's zoned out now, don't you?

369
00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:51.000
Well, I, no, no, no, there are bits here that I think he's

370
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genuinely funny and he plays really well.

371
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And I think particularly those things around Marta because, um, you

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know, he, you know, one of the things that shoots me about this. is

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of course, the man when he's mad and a megalomaniac.

374
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He wants power, but the woman is obviously just someone who wants

375
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a lot of sex.

376
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She wants Captain Kirk.

377
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Yeah, yeah.

378
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Yeah, yeah.

379
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Shat, I read that and was like, yeah, this is a good script.

380
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And then... like Shatner going off here with her and being like

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doing the sort of genial thing that Garth has been doing, I think

382
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is actually pretty good.

383
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But in a minute it's going to go to hell, I think. ask why in this

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episode and this episode only Captain Kirk has decided to have, you

385
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know, a secret code word before he's beamed up back onto the

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ship.

387
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Because it's never happened before and it never happens again.

388
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But it just so happens to be vital to this plot.

389
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Yeah, it's stupid, isn't it?

390
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And I think probably a line of dialogue would have been okay, but

391
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I think a line of dialogue before we hear it would have ruined

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it.

393
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Like, I do actually think that that's quite interesting.

394
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Do you know what I mean?

395
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Like, it's not a bad thing, and it gives Garth something that he

396
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needs to get in order to get control of the ship.

397
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So I don't think that's bad, but I don't know why no one upstairs

398
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on the ship has anything explained to them about why they've

399
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chosen to do that this time.

400
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Like, do they fear something?

401
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Is there a special?

402
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You could, like you say, you've secure it in a long place.

403
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:27.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
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These people are, you know, known criminals in case anything goes

405
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wrong.

406
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I want you to know this is me in case they use a voice coder or

407
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something like that, you know, to pick up.

408
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But, but, it would be better to learn that after we see this after

409
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we see Queen Queen to Queen's Civil 3 for the 1st time.

410
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Um, you know, that this, we should be finding out at the same time

411
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as Garf does that they've done this, I think.

412
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It is a peculiar thing in season 3 of the original series that

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they do ask William Shatner to go deliver the most operatic

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insanity that you've ever seen.

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I mean, he's doing it right now.

416
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He's tearing up the set.

417
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He's throwing the extras about, and in a minute he gets on his

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knees and starts pounding the floor like a toddler.

419
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Steve doesn't do any of that.

420
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Now watch this.

421
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Watch this, all right. goes down to the floor, right?

422
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and start smashing the floor.

423
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Then he changes and then the ring falls off his finger and rolls

424
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across the floor, right?

425
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So the ring that we later see just comes off and he just leaves

426
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it.

427
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Then he gets up, he makes an attempt to put the jacket back on, but

428
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he fails.

429
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What?

430
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He's trying to find the sleeve, but he can't manage it.

431
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And so for half of the time, for the rest of the episode, he just

432
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doesn't have his arm in that sleeve.

433
00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.779
Oh, I didn't even notice that.

434
00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

435
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I actually thought for a 2nd maybe I'm wrong.

436
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Maybe it doesn't have a sleeve, but it does.

437
00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:04.319
You see it flopping around the back of a thing.

438
00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:04.740
Wow.

439
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It's a continuity announcer was like, no, it's happening.

440
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It's like, oh, we couldn't have done it while we're here.

441
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Does he wear the ring again?

442
00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:13.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

443
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You see the ring in the shot.

444
00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:16.559
Yeah, yeah, he picks it up.

445
00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:23.759
So, so this stuff on board the Enterprise is astoundingly boring

446
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and pointless.

447
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Which knows the last time we did a TOS.

448
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Do you remember when we kept going back to the ship, the one where

449
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spot was down on the planet?

450
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
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And like they just don't know what to do with it.

452
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Like in Star Trek, the Next Generation, there would be... do you

453
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remember the arsenal of freedom?

454
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Like, it's a terrible...

455
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Unfortunately, I do, of series I do, with John Lovett's in it.

456
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But the things that are attacking them down on the planet are also

457
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attacking the ship up top.

458
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So there's 2 things to do.

459
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But here they don't have that.

460
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I can't get over this Telleride because he just looks like a pig

461
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nosed guy and not like a Telleride.

462
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:05.099
And he just reminds me of Pog from Prodigy.

463
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He looks much more like Pog than any other teller I'd ever has.

464
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I feel like in the 90s shows, the ensemble, the chemistry between

465
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the ensemble is so much stronger.

466
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It's so much more sort of flat structure in terms of a show that

467
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when you do go back to the ship for little subplots like this, you

468
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.039
know, always searching for them or whatever, they can always dip

469
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in with like cute moments.

470
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But I feel like so much of TOS is surrounded by Kirk McCoy and

471
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Spock. that when they're not around, the rest of the characters

472
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don't really know how to react without them.

473
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So they just they just wind up sort of functionally doing their

474
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jobs.

475
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Yeah, that's it.

476
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All they're doing is providing information to us.

477
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There's no no one wants to do anything different from anyone

478
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else.

479
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There's no conflict.

480
00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:54.539
Do you remember, um, The Corbamite maneuver where that lieutenant

481
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loses his shit.

482
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Is it the lieutenant?

483
00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.579
Yeah, you know, and this, it's about something, like something

484
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happens on the ship, but they can't think of a 2nd thing to

485
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happen.

486
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.279
And this is a pretty thin thing that they've thought of to happen

487
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down here on the planet.

488
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You can't ask us to think of 2 plots.

489
00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:13.920
Good grief. can barely think of half a plot for this one.

490
00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:18.839
But very quickly, going back to William Shatner losing his shit.

491
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There was that very bizarre sequence in the one with the, you know

492
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the kids. what's that called with the evil kids coming onto the

493
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ship.

494
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Do you remember?

495
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It's like the 2nd or 3rd episode of the season and they're sort of

496
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altering people's minds.

497
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They look into the camera and all to be.

498
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Okay.

499
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Kurt goes into the, um, The lift shaft and he's like, my God, I'm

500
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so scared and he starts like pounding the...

501
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And then in the last episode...

502
00:22:48.059 --> 00:22:48.720
Like, what's this?

503
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:49.440
What are we watching?

504
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:50.819
What do we...

505
00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:53.160
It's doing weird...

506
00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:57.660
It's the Andorian doing a wheelbarrow with the fucking Tellerite.

507
00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.940
It's the least entertaining thing I can imagine.

508
00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.079
They're all roaring as if it's really fun. spread looks quite

509
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:04.319
nice.

510
00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:07.140
Yeah, the spread does look nice You've got like nice looking cakes

511
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.400
there, covered in fruits.

512
00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:11.700
And then at the end of the season, do you remember when the woman

513
00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:15.599
captain goes inside Kirk's head and then he starts going bizarre

514
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:16.799
and mad in that.

515
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:18.299
It's almost like that's it.

516
00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.119
After full setting this year, we can't think of anything else to

517
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:21.420
do.

518
00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.059
Let shit, man.

519
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:24.839
Shit now.

520
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:25.980
Oh, no.

521
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:27.420
Let's Shatner hit the fan.

522
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:33.599
It's very odd. very bad But everyone else on the planet is really

523
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.319
weird looking.

524
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.240
Yeah, yeah, you stupid cow.

525
00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:38.640
He says you're repulsive.

526
00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:39.480
I know.

527
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:41.039
That stuff is not nice.

528
00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:42.539
Like, I just don't enjoy that.

529
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:43.619
I don't think it's great.

530
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.519
I love the one character thing that I love about her is that she

531
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.240
wrote that sonnet by Shakespeare and she just says, yes, I know he

532
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:51.960
wrote it years ago.

533
00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:52.799
I wrote it this morning.

534
00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:55.500
And then she quotes another thing, like Longfellow or something

535
00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:56.640
and she claims to have written that.

536
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:57.119
I love that.

537
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:58.559
That's my favourite character.

538
00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:01.140
There was something with more depth going on there. and then I

539
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.640
realised, no, that's just her being weird.

540
00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:04.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.900
And so now we've got the green light on her again while she

542
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:07.740
dances.

543
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.380
This goes on forever.

544
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:11.460
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.099
I started looking, you know, like, you can tell I'm gay because

546
00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:17.519
I'm not enchanted by a green naked woman on the screen doing, you

547
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:18.180
know, gyrating.

548
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:19.500
I'm looking at my watch gown.

549
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.359
She hasn't started dancing yet.

550
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.460
She's doing Shakespeare first, which is pretty great.

551
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.220
You think this is sort of sexy, though, when she starts dancing.

552
00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:27.420
Oh, yeah, yeah.

553
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:27.720
No.

554
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:29.880
And I think that that's the same reason that we had the belly

555
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.380
dancer in Wolf in the Fold.

556
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.279
Like, I think we have sexy lady dancing because it's reasonably

557
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.119
cheap to do.

558
00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:37.680
It's like the fist fights.

559
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.759
It's very unfortunate that in long shot, the light is not on her.

560
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:45.000
So she just looks a completely different colour when we're in long

561
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:45.299
shot.

562
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.160
Yeah, now it's on her again.

563
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:49.619
Yeah, I may kill you with my bare hands.

564
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:50.700
Like, that's not fun.

565
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:51.240
What's that?

566
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.940
And then the way he changes here, actually.

567
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.259
Actually, she's a superb dancer.

568
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:56.339
No, where'd you die?

569
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.660
like, I'll pay that.

570
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:58.319
Do you know what I mean?

571
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:01.200
That sort of mercurial thing where he goes from threatening to

572
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.839
kill her to saying how lovely she is and will you dance for our

573
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:04.140
guess?

574
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.200
These ugly people extras.

575
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:08.880
Oh, if that was not a request.

576
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:11.700
So she is just his plaything, isn't it?

577
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:12.180
Yeah.

578
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:17.279
And but Shatner reacting to her dancing is actually pretty great.

579
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.299
We'll get there, but yeah, what the fuck is this?

580
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.380
It just goes on forever.

581
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.319
So you know that...

582
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.240
Part of the audience is supposed to be appealing to me.

583
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:28.500
No.

584
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.599
Yes, yeah, this marvellous, isn't she, Captain?

585
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.859
He goes, yeah, yeah, incredible.

586
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.240
You know, like that's pretty good.

587
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:36.240
And this, what is this?

588
00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:40.019
So Spock goes, I found it rather nostalgic because children in

589
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:44.039
Vulcan nursery schools do this sexy dance, apparently.

590
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:45.359
They don't do it as well.

591
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.400
They're not as coordinated.

592
00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:50.700
Yeah, but Vulcan children do sexy dancing in nursery school.

593
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.019
It's really...

594
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.119
Have we seen that in Strange New Worlds?

595
00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:56.880
No, I'm sure there must have been a scene with Michael in one of

596
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.960
the education pods doing a sexy dance. in discovery.

597
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.799
I say something very dodgy about Vulcan society.

598
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.039
There are scrunchy dressed children doing sexy dollses.

599
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:08.460
Yeah.

600
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.140
Like it's kind of strange.

601
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:13.980
It's a funny thing for Spock to say, but it's not a line that's

602
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:16.259
been very well thought through, I think, is the problem.

603
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:20.160
You know, this wasn't shown on the BBC till the 1990s?

604
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.480
Why?

605
00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:25.319
I had originally heard it was because of the sexy dads, but that

606
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:30.960
seems unlikely, but I think it is, um, just how unpleasant it is

607
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:32.039
was the problem.

608
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:34.740
And it wouldn't have been banned in like...

609
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.400
Is it unpleasant?

610
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:38.099
I know she's treated terribly, but women are generally treated

611
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:39.180
terribly in a...

612
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:39.779
In Star Trek.

613
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.619
Yeah, that's true.

614
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.700
But, you know, there's the stabby thing and then there's blowing

615
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:48.119
her up and there's all the verbal threats and stuff like that and

616
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.559
there's the toy.

617
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:50.279
So is this edgy?

618
00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:52.019
I've missed the point.

619
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.160
Is this Andrew?

620
00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:54.059
don't think it's edgy.

621
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.059
I think it was an odd decision because, you know, you've got to

622
00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:59.700
think that Americans have got to be more puritanic a lot about

623
00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:03.180
what goes on TV than the Brits are, but here we are.

624
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.740
Why are all of these characters dressed up like they've come from

625
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:09.059
historical reenactments?

626
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:16.140
So, do you know where you've seen um, where you've seen Garth's

627
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:16.559
outfit before?

628
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.000
Oh, have we seen it already doing untitled Star Trek project?

629
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:22.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

630
00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:29.099
So it was in the last episode we did in Galileo 7, Commissioner

631
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:32.339
Ferris, is wearing the same outfit.

632
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.539
Oh, wow.

633
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:34.200
Yeah.

634
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:38.220
Not the, not the, you know, the fur coat, obviously, but what's

635
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:40.980
underneath it is just Commissioner Ferris's outfit.

636
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.740
And I think it is used in another episode for someone else as

637
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:43.920
well.

638
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.259
Now you've pointed it out.

639
00:27:46.259 --> 00:27:49.140
All I can see is, oh, I'm not inside his sleep.

640
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.000
All I can see is that.

641
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.519
Oh, bless him.

642
00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:56.759
And so we nearly have a political discussion happening here

643
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:57.720
right?

644
00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:58.559
Nearly.

645
00:27:58.559 --> 00:27:59.400
Nearly.

646
00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:04.259
And there is that moment where, and I've seen it.

647
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.980
Do you remember there used to be like a long, I think the long

648
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:10.859
video trailer when Star Trek The Next Generation was being

649
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:15.180
released and they showed stuff from all of the films and from this

650
00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.400
show and from Star Trek The Next Generation?

651
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:21.960
And the captain says, it's a dream that sent us among the stars

652
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.200
blah, blah, blah, and made me and Spock Brothers, and like I was

653
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.019
very familiar with that because it was on that trailer on the

654
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:30.359
videos back in the 90s or whatever.

655
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:32.220
But like there's that.

656
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.240
Do you know what I mean?

657
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:37.680
And he seems to be fascist and he calls, like he just used the

658
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.920
phrase decadent weakness to describe the federation's morality.

659
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:42.119
I don't know.

660
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:44.460
Well, he says what, he allowed all this planet.

661
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.980
They they cured, you know, they made him better.

662
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.900
He offered them the galaxy.

663
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.220
They rejected him.

664
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.859
So that signed all their death swat.

665
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.339
I mean what?

666
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.319
Yeah, no, so he went mad.

667
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.680
And later on we'll discover he's not. for that.

668
00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:01.440
No, that was as a result of him going mad.

669
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:03.420
Right.

670
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:04.259
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.359
I'm not sure it justifies anything.

672
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.079
No, no.

673
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:09.720
No, because it's just like, what does mad mean?

674
00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:14.700
A line I love is Spock going, yeah, how could you, a Starfleet

675
00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:15.180
captain?

676
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:18.299
Thinking that your crew would do that.

677
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.740
See, there's the ring.

678
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.680
There's the ring that fell off his that fell off his...

679
00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:25.079
There really is the inference, isn't it?

680
00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:28.380
That the start, if you are in command of a starship, then you are

681
00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.839
the best of the best, you know, beyond corruption.

682
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:34.319
Well, by the time we get to the 90s, it's almost a given that if

683
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.839
you're in command of a starship and you're not Captain Picard.

684
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:38.880
You're not the police, psycho.

685
00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:39.900
Well, yeah, yeah.

686
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:41.519
Or if you're an admiral, you know.

687
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.619
A dream that became reality and spread among the stars.

688
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.079
You know, a dream that made me and Spock Brothers.

689
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.900
And I love Spock's response to this because it's kind of

690
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:53.339
unexpected because he's being asked a question about a metaphor

691
00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:54.299
and it's not directly true.

692
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.400
And he says, no, I agree.

693
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:57.660
It was about something though, wasn't it?

694
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.259
This is about their relationship. this is sort of the one point in

695
00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:02.220
the episode that means something.

696
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.420
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.400
I like it, yeah, it goes here.

698
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:08.700
Captain Kirk does, you know, talk very romantically, but yes, in

699
00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:09.960
essence, I agree.

700
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:10.859
I agree, I like it.

701
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:11.880
I think that's really good.

702
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.440
Yeah, so there are sort of little crumbs, aren't there?

703
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:21.359
And mostly they're Shatner and Nemoy's performance, I think, but

705
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.579
the rest of it is just sort of super boring, I think.

706
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.519
Like this, please forgive me where exactly is your fleet?

707
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:29.700
You know, like he just sort of asks the logical question.

708
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.720
And so he assumes then, well, he's going to get control of the

709
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:35.940
enterprise and then all the other ships are going to follow him.

710
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.319
Yes, because he's mad.

711
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.059
And that's part of the problem.

712
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:40.200
Do you know what I mean?

713
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:44.640
Like he just does random ass things because he's mad and because

714
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.099
nothing that he does makes any sense.

715
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.839
Nothing here really matters, you know?

716
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:52.680
and it's the show isn't focussed enough on them trying to escape.

717
00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:54.720
Do you know what I mean?

718
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.740
It's mostly focussed on these people doing things to them until

719
00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.759
they finally escape.

720
00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:03.599
I know we're usually very critical about backstories as to why

721
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.440
things have happened.

722
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:08.400
But, you know, like just something as to why he's gone mad, you

723
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.099
know, and some motive as to why he wants to take over.

724
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.319
Otherwise, it is just random stuff.

725
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:17.099
Yeah, but that's it, but that's that's what they think mental

726
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:21.359
illness is, what criminal insanity is, is this?

727
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.240
You're mercurial, you behave irrationally.

728
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.640
But wasn't Khan supposed to be mad in the earliest seasons?

729
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.640
But he wants something, doesn't he?

730
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:37.500
Like he's a person with a background who wants something and he's

731
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:39.180
you know, all of those Star Trek villains.

732
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.940
Like this is kind of like a precursor to the Star Trek villains

733
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:44.160
that we get in the movies, isn't it?

734
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:45.839
Do you know what I mean?

735
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:48.960
Like they're mad and they want to kill Kirk or whatever.

736
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:53.160
They just usually bring in a really good character actor that

737
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.940
delivers a, you know, a grounded performance.

738
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.180
But they're not doing weird ass shit because they're mad.

739
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:00.900
Do you know what I mean?

740
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.160
Like they're doing something.

741
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:07.559
They have a plan, they're behaving rationally, and there's some

742
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:12.119
conflict, like some conflict of values happening.

743
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:13.920
I mean, we sort of almost get...

744
00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:17.579
Within that, even with the sort of the randomness of how they're

745
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:20.819
behaving, things like, it could have been scary, where you just

746
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:22.559
can't predict how they're going to behave.

747
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.859
But it just, see, I always feel so laboured.

748
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.000
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.500
A bit obvious in retrospect.

750
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:29.640
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.539
I mean, like I said, there's some, you know, like you said, I

752
00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:36.599
guess there are some nice reversals and the odd thing happens

753
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.460
that's reasonably interesting.

754
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:44.640
I thought the best part of the episode was when Spock comes in to

755
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:48.000
save Kirk when she's on the bed and she pulls out the knife.

756
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.940
And then they go to the transporter room and then...

757
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:52.019
Neither one of them, I'm sure.

758
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.140
Yeah, we're not sure who out of the 2 of them.

759
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.039
I was absolutely certain it was Kirk and that whole scene was

760
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.160
playing out in the room to convince Spock coming into the room.

761
00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:02.940
So I was like, okay.

762
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.059
Yeah, they could never have done that because they would never

763
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.400
have a scene without one of the regulars in it.

764
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:09.660
They would just never have a scene.

765
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.559
Do you know what I mean?

766
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:11.400
Like they...

767
00:33:11.460 --> 00:33:13.200
But for a 2nd I was like, oh, what's going on?

768
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:14.579
You know, just for a second.

769
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:20.160
So this prop here appeared in a season one episode called Dagger

770
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.779
of the Mind, which was also set in a prison, and it's where

771
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:28.140
someone had this sort of scary treatment that you would be

772
00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:31.740
strapped to and it would cause you pain, but it wouldn't have any

773
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:33.299
sort of physical effect.

774
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:39.900
And I think in memory, Alpha said that Nemoy complained that this

775
00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:41.400
was too much like that episode.

776
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.299
Oh, I hope it was more exciting than that.

777
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.380
Well, I don't know.

778
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.819
In fact, I got these 2 mixed up, so I don't know that I've seen

779
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:51.839
Dagger of the Mind.

780
00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:52.859
I knew I'd seen this.

781
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.140
I thought this was probably Dagger of the Mind.

782
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.299
But obviously it isn't.

783
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.980
Um, but, um, you know, I gather, I'm off the mind is better.

784
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.980
It cannot be much worse.

785
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:11.340
No, I, I, I would go as far as to say that the costume department

786
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:14.699
are doing this episode of Dis Service.

787
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.159
There's just those ridiculous costumes.

788
00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:20.099
You cannot take any of these characters seriously because of how

789
00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:20.639
they're dressed.

790
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:22.739
No, but I don't think you're supposed to.

791
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.599
Like, I think it's supposed to be over the top.

792
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:28.320
This is supposed to be camp, and this is a B movie, I think, is

793
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.599
the is the thing. the tone we're going for.

794
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:34.079
I mean, looking, they've got odd looking extras in.

795
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:35.039
Do you know what I mean?

796
00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:37.739
Like all of the mute extras look odd.

797
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:44.699
So is Freiburger so sort of unimpressed with his audience that

798
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:46.380
he's like, well, just throw in a sexy dance?

799
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.420
Yeah, put in some camp costumes.

800
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.820
They'll be amused for 50 minutes.

801
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.800
He's really basic.

802
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:55.980
That's so sad, given where we've been, given some of the things

803
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:57.599
we've seen in those earlier seasons.

804
00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:01.260
Trump with triples and um...

805
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.619
No, what's the one with the Doomsday machine, you know?

806
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.360
Jeez, that was good telly.

807
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:07.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

808
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.639
What the hell is this?

809
00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:10.079
This is just ridiculous.

810
00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:13.320
But and the weird thing is, it's almost like they get it right by

811
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.679
mistake in season 3 because you occasionally get the Enterprise

812
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.719
incident or the Western.

813
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:22.739
Yeah, or the one where Spock has a romance just before the series

814
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.280
ends.

815
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:27.599
Some of the episodes are great, but it's almost inadvertently

816
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.800
rather than by design.

817
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:31.739
Yeah, I mean, this, who wants to watch this?

818
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:32.820
What are we getting from this?

819
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.699
I don't quite understand.

820
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.619
So this device causes pain.

821
00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:39.539
There's no physical effects.

822
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:40.260
Yeah.

823
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:41.280
Okay.

824
00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:43.440
I'm not sure that actually works.

825
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.780
Well, no, it's imaginable.

826
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.860
I mean, you can imagine it.

827
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.820
It depends on how you define pain, I guess, but, you know, yeah

828
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:52.800
you can imagine something of Shatner.

829
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:54.300
Oh, look at him.

830
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:56.880
He's like doing in pain acting.

831
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:58.139
But why is that fun?

832
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.400
And it seems to be prolonged.

833
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.380
So, Marta, I just don't get no, she's mad.

834
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.059
She's mad.

835
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.059
And there are scenes, like there is a scene that attempts to

836
00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:09.840
humanise her.

837
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.739
And part of it's, you know, like she's sexually voracious and

838
00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:17.880
stuff, um, and that sort of upsetting, but occasionally she seems

839
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.820
intelligent and she's thinking and stuff and then she whips out

840
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:22.739
the knife, you know, and tries to stab him.

841
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.360
Is she is she loyal to Garth or does she want to go?

842
00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:29.219
No, she says she is.

843
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.860
So that's why she tries to kill him with a knife.

844
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.199
No, she does that because she's mad.

845
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.800
Just keep saying that to me, all right?

846
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.440
Every time I try and figure out a motivation.

847
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.159
No, that's it.

848
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:41.760
That's the problem.

849
00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:43.079
You know, none of these are people.

850
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:48.659
And so, and so, like, I think that her being killed is really bad

851
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:55.139
and I think it's unpleasant to watch, and I think it's they're

852
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:59.099
telling on themselves by thinking that people are going to enjoy

853
00:36:59.099 --> 00:36:59.820
that.

854
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.380
Do you know what I mean?

855
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.340
Like on some level, and because it's a scantily clad woman with no

856
00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:10.079
agency who's being manhandled and we're seeing her, you know, hold

857
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.840
out her arms, pleading and suffering and stuff.

858
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:15.960
Like that's yucky and unpleasant.

859
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:19.559
And like, the death itself is kind of comic.

860
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.000
Oh, that's even worse.

861
00:37:21.179 --> 00:37:26.460
But she's so not a character that you have any empathy with

862
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:30.599
because she doesn't do anything that that undermines it.

863
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:33.360
And that's fortunate because it's horrible, you know?

864
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:37.380
It's worth mentioning it is an actress playing this this thankless

865
00:37:37.380 --> 00:37:38.639
bloody role, you know?

866
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.500
It's miserable, doesn't it?

867
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.960
Is this the best they could hope for in the 60s?

868
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:43.739
Well, I don't know.

869
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:44.820
I don't think so.

870
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:48.179
You remember that fabulous woman in Assignment Earth in the

871
00:37:48.179 --> 00:37:48.420
office?

872
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.219
No, we loved her.

873
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.000
She had great fun.

874
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:51.599
Yeah.

875
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.900
She did wine a bit, but she had a lot. she was awesome.

876
00:37:55.139 --> 00:37:57.179
But she was, you know, here we go.

877
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:01.260
I suppose we could call this the 2nd interracial kiss on Star 2nd

878
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:01.440
week.

879
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:03.960
Well, this is the 1st one because I think Plato's stepchildren

880
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:05.039
comes next, doesn't it?

881
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:06.239
I'm not sure I could be wrong.

882
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:07.019
Oh, does it?

883
00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:07.800
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:08.880
So it could be the 1st one.

885
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:09.900
It's a green one.

886
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:13.440
I mean, I suppose if Alien is... a different race.

887
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:15.239
It's a different colour, isn't it?

888
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.300
race, and they do use different skin colours to differentiate

889
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:19.920
races. you know, they're...

890
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.300
Maybe this was sort of the testing ground.

891
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.320
Well, I think they're thinking, no, but I think they do think of

892
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.000
you know, when they think about different races, when that means

893
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.139
you know, people of different ethnic backgrounds or whatever, on

894
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:39.000
earth, and they're conceptualising aliens the same way, like

895
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:39.719
that's a thing.

896
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:43.739
You know, can I very, very quickly talk about Roddenberry?

897
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:44.159
Yeah.

898
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:47.579
Because he's obviously left, well, they've sort of kicked him off

899
00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:48.840
the series at this point, haven't they?

900
00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:52.679
And that's why Freiburger's come in and he's in overall creative

901
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:53.099
control.

902
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.699
And one of the things I gleaned from the centre seat was that

903
00:38:56.699 --> 00:39:03.420
anything after TOS, Roddenbury came in with tons of ideas, most of

904
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:07.619
them were terrible and they weren't able to use them in the 80s

905
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:11.099
and the 90s and they weren't able to use them in the movies and

906
00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:13.860
they effectively just gave him a little office at Paramount and

907
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:16.500
say, right, well, you look over the script and give us your notes

908
00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.480
but effectively they weren't going to listen to him.

909
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.019
Yeah.

910
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:23.219
So I'm wondering if TOS is the one point where when Roddenbury was

911
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:25.800
in creative control and it was all working because the 1st 2

912
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.679
series where he was in charge effectively in charge.

913
00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:31.199
I know the other gene, Gene Coon did a lot of work.

914
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:31.920
Yeah, yeah.

915
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:34.679
It really worked like Gangbusters.

916
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:37.739
But there it has the problem.

917
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.619
It has a very roddenberry problem with women, which seems to be

918
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.900
persisting here, don't you think?

919
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:48.119
And certainly persists in the 1st couple of series of the next

920
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:48.659
generation.

921
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:49.380
Yeah, yeah.

922
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.400
Just that weird, weird, ookie sex thing that he has going.

923
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:57.420
You know, we talk about late 90s trek being really sexist or

924
00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:59.880
really kind of sophomoric and its handling of sex.

925
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.380
Whereas Rod and Bree's instinct is to be incredibly fucking creepy

926
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:08.400
when it comes to sex. think I'd rather have sex less than this.

927
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:09.300
No.

928
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:12.599
I mean, it's the 2 extremes, isn't it?

929
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:13.079
Yeah.

930
00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:16.139
All we want is somewhere in the middle, where it's normalised and

931
00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:17.400
just, you know, fun to watch.

932
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:18.539
But look at this.

933
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.780
This is just an enterprise corridor, said redressed, isn't it?

934
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.460
And with different colour gels.

935
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.340
I actually figured a lot of this was enterprise, actually

936
00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:26.760
dressed.

937
00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:28.260
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

938
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.559
Different coloured gels.

939
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:34.019
That's the only way we differentiate, yeah.

940
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.000
With the screen.

941
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.800
Oh, dude.

942
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.539
Is this the big breakout they're trying to get away?

943
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.119
Yeah, and I have to say that this did fool me.

944
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:48.059
I didn't realise that Spock was, oh, in fact, no, that's not

945
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:48.300
true.

946
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:54.000
And I tell you how I knew, I knew that it was just about fucking

947
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.099
time something happened in the episode.

948
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:02.699
And I think, I think I, um, I genuinely wasn't sure which one of

949
00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:03.119
them it was.

950
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:07.139
Yeah, no, but at this point, at this point, it's only now when he

951
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:11.099
refuses to give the code...

952
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.260
And straight away, you will, you'll immediately think it's Kirk

953
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:13.619
don't you?

954
00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:14.519
Because he's not giving the code.

955
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:19.559
But because we were with Kirk all the way through that scene and

956
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.079
Spock came to rescue him, it had to be Spock.

957
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:25.500
So that's why I was like, my God, are they being that clever that

958
00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:26.519
they were playing out that scene?

959
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:28.139
I was like, no, they weren't.

960
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:34.559
But you remember I said, you know, there was no like nothing was

962
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:35.039
happening.

963
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:38.519
There was just a whole bunch of things, but no actual incidents

964
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:39.300
happening.

965
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:44.159
And so at this point, I thought, Because I think I sent I sent

966
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.500
them something to you using terms from Muse.

967
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.820
Remember the old man in Mews where they list or even the pretty

968
00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:52.440
young person?

969
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:55.860
No, no, where he talks about the mistaken identity, the sudden

970
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:58.139
reversal, all of that sort of thing.

971
00:41:58.199 --> 00:41:59.340
Where are those?

972
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.860
Kellen would have put a mistaken identity in here.

973
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.039
And then I just thought, ah, yes, this is about the time something

974
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:05.699
should happen.

975
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.079
It's definitely it.

976
00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:09.360
Helen wouldn't have gone anywhere near this.

977
00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:10.019
No, no, no.

978
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.519
He was... he was... those sort of phase out and then golf's

979
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:14.639
there.

980
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:15.840
They are well done, I think.

981
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.739
Yeah, yeah. given that they can't do anything else, they may as

982
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:20.639
well do that, I think.

983
00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.260
It's just quick.

984
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.019
I like how quick he is. blinking, you're missing, you know?

985
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.440
He moves a foot to the left or something each time, but that's

986
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:28.679
fine.

987
00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:32.579
Shatner's like, for God's sakes, I almost got away. away from this

988
00:42:32.579 --> 00:42:33.239
dreary episode.

989
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.719
How much longer have I got to wait?

990
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:38.039
Oh, 18 minutes, okay.

991
00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:40.619
Oh my god, is there still 18 minutes to go?

992
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:44.460
Yeah, we haven't had the death yet, no, Malta's horrible day.

993
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.139
Well, that's quite near the end, I think.

994
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.039
Is that coming now?

995
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:49.920
The highlight of the episode for all the wrong reasons.

996
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.940
Yeah, yeah.

997
00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:53.519
It's miserable.

998
00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:57.300
Did we miss the bit because there was a bit that I really liked.

999
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.800
I think it was actually earlier on where it was just the one

1000
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:06.900
moment where I thought things were working and um, it's Spock just

1001
00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:11.519
very gently calls him Captain Garth, and he replies, Lord Garth

1002
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.539
and Spot just goes, like raises an eyebrow and goes, as you wish.

1003
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.219
And it's so...

1004
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:18.119
No, you've missed up there.

1005
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:19.320
He was properly good.

1006
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:23.639
Like, again, the only entertainment, I think, to be had a little

1007
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.219
Shatner moments and little Nemoy moments.

1008
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.880
I think Nemoy is mildly contemptuous of all of this.

1009
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:33.239
And we know this because I've read many an interview where he's

1010
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:38.099
mildly contemptuous, well, not mildly, about all of everything.

1011
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.300
Yeah, they were basically a bit embarrassed by what they were

1012
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:43.320
doing in this last season.

1013
00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:45.000
For the most part.

1014
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:46.860
Yeah, because there's nothing to this one.

1015
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.639
What's this embarrass?

1016
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:51.599
So they do like a little set piece, and I'll say little with a

1017
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.159
small L. And then you just have Garth camping it up again, don't

1018
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:56.280
you?

1019
00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:59.639
Doing his whole Lord, Gar, I'll take over the galaxy.

1020
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:01.260
But I mean, what's happening here?

1021
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:02.699
Okay, so what's happening in this scene?

1022
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:09.059
Shadner is talking to Garth about his role as a Starfleet.

1023
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:10.679
There are things that happen to him.

1024
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:14.760
No, he's talking about his role as a Starfleet commander, and he's

1025
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.880
trying to convince him not to be criminally insane.

1026
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:19.920
Isn't he?

1027
00:44:19.980 --> 00:44:21.420
Because that's something you can do, you know?

1028
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.380
Yeah, you can do that.

1029
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:23.099
That makes sense.

1030
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.940
And so none of this scene goes anywhere or means anything because

1031
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:28.320
it's ridiculous.

1032
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.400
He did remind me of the master from Doctor Who a couple of times

1033
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.000
in this.

1034
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:37.079
He just said there, I will be master of the universe. which I

1035
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.139
think Roger Delgado's master said in the 70s a couple of times.

1036
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.500
Oh, I will say kneel before me while you're down there.

1037
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.760
Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Lee Kwan, Crotus.

1038
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.940
So, Lee Kwan isn't Lee Kwan Yu from Singapore. who is around at

1039
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:54.599
about this time.

1040
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.699
So he and he was a bit of a, you know, authoritarian.

1041
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:00.900
But it's not him.

1042
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.719
Memory alpha makes it very clear that it's Lee Kwan, the

1043
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:05.460
completely made up Chinese dictator.

1044
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.599
And look, we are going.

1045
00:45:09.659 --> 00:45:13.440
We're going to a fucking commercial break on him being shot with a

1046
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:14.099
stun gun.

1047
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.539
We know he's not dead.

1048
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.139
There's no peril, but because nothing actually fucking happens in

1049
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:19.679
this episode.

1050
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:21.599
That's what we're reduced to.

1051
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:24.659
He fell to the floor there, like a wilting flower.

1052
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.239
I was like, he really has given up at this.

1053
00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:30.539
No, it's one of those laser beams that makes you lower yourself

1054
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:31.440
gently to the ground.

1055
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:32.940
It's a thing.

1056
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.260
Yeah.

1057
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.139
I've always wanted to be shot by one of those. a science thing.

1058
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.260
Oh, there's whole sequence now.

1059
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.119
Oh, boring.

1060
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:46.079
It's basically the very few bits of furniture we've got who's

1061
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.340
assembled into a throne.

1062
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:48.719
So it's a chair on a table.

1063
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.380
Actually, and he's given a crown of forms to have on his head.

1064
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.619
It's, it's, um, tinfoil.

1065
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.800
I actually like the sixtishness of the chair.

1066
00:45:58.860 --> 00:45:59.820
Look at the chair.

1067
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:00.539
It's pretty great.

1068
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.639
And Dorian costume.

1069
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:03.900
I just can't go.

1070
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.579
He's got checked out, what are they thinking?

1071
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:06.179
Awesome.

1072
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:08.400
How did that man?

1073
00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:10.559
I mean, he must have done a few days work wearing that.

1074
00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:13.019
How did he not say, can I just take this off please?

1075
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:18.900
But I like the bit where Garth suggests...

1076
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.860
No, go on.

1077
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.059
The what?

1078
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:22.920
I'll just see RuPaul wear something like that.

1079
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.599
It's so bad.

1080
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.960
Gar suggests that that Kirk could be a human sacrifice and he goes

1081
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.059
no, I wouldn't enjoy that at all.

1082
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:36.840
Do you know what's the trouble is?

1083
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.519
You and me, yeah, we love camp.

1084
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1085
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1086
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:42.960
So this should be chiming with us.

1087
00:46:43.019 --> 00:46:44.280
No, but it's too boring.

1088
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:45.539
Like nothing's kind of happening.

1089
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.300
And I love a good megalomania villain.

1090
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.599
Like, you know, like I said before, very earnestly that, you know

1091
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.420
villains shouldn't, you know, we should be demonising the mentally

1092
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:54.840
ill.

1093
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:58.199
But, you know, like a camp grand moustache twelling villain is

1094
00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:59.579
great, a really good thing.

1095
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.599
But this guy, like he's like, I don't know, what's happening?

1096
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:05.099
He's mad and I don't care.

1097
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.579
Maybe if it, if it played by a woman, it would have been more fun

1098
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:09.719
golf.

1099
00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:10.559
Yeah, probably.

1100
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:11.880
Probably.

1101
00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:18.119
Okay, so this is the thing because he's not just someone who's

1102
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:18.539
mad.

1103
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:25.500
He's someone who's mad who can change his form to look like anyone

1104
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:28.320
which he...

1105
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.480
From the people of Antos 4 or whatever.

1106
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:36.000
The ones who signed their own death warrants.

1107
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:37.199
Those guys.

1108
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:42.840
And he's also been able to invent the most powerful explosion in

1109
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:48.780
the galaxy. explosive, the most powerful explosive in history.

1110
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:50.880
And there's just also a genius.

1111
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:51.539
Yep.

1112
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.780
There's a little grain of it in that necklace that he just gave

1113
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:55.500
martyr.

1114
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.719
But what's weird is, right?

1115
00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:00.900
I know he's sort of mistreated Martyr throughout this, but right

1116
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:02.219
up until the point of her death.

1117
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:06.840
There's no indication that he wants to kill her or get rid of

1118
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:07.260
her.

1119
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.239
I'll kill you with my bare hands and stuff.

1120
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:11.099
He said all sorts of horrible things to her.

1121
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.900
No, no, but I didn't, I don't know.

1122
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:14.880
I just didn't see it coming.

1123
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:16.199
I don't think that was going to happen.

1124
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:16.739
No.

1125
00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:17.159
Yeah.

1126
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.360
Like, you know, usually a lot of this stuff is signposted in Star

1127
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:21.840
Trek.

1128
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:23.340
Yeah, especially the original series.

1129
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.659
Oh, that bloody costume.

1130
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:29.280
Can you get me one for Christmas, please?

1131
00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:31.199
And I'll wear it for an episode.

1132
00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:34.679
I reckon you can get them on Amazon for sure.

1133
00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:36.539
You can make it.

1134
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.980
It's just a feather bar.

1135
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:42.360
I think that the Tellerite costume must have been used before.

1136
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:47.460
There is a lot of apparent gaffer tape on it, I think.

1137
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.420
There is, but there's also a lot of hair on his fingers.

1138
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.920
Have you know his?

1139
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:55.739
No, yeah, no, the king's fingers there, though, really?

1140
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.059
Oh, yeah, he's got really hairy hands.

1141
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.460
Oh, he's got 3 fingers to tell the rights have 3 fingers.

1142
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.079
I guess they do now.

1143
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:02.159
They do in this one.

1144
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:03.780
Because they're...

1145
00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:04.440
What we doing now?

1146
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:06.480
Oh, now he's got to watch her die out. are going to it?

1147
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:07.980
Now we're going to explore.

1148
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.980
I know we're quite near the end of the episode now, so relax

1149
00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:11.219
okay?

1150
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1151
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.039
It's almost, almost.

1152
00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:14.820
Wow.

1153
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.300
The most powerful one in history.

1154
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.860
If I was to drop this flask, the resulting explosion. drop it for

1155
00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:23.940
fuck's sake, drop it.

1156
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.320
Aporizer planet.

1157
00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:26.699
Yeah, whoa.

1158
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.099
You see, all of that's so stupid.

1159
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.000
It's just like, and he's got a big explosive thing, which we're

1160
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.900
only mentioning just now for the sake of exploding martar.

1161
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.539
I do like that planet surface, though.

1162
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1163
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.280
I mean, it's just the usual rocks, but they've done a bit of

1164
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:44.699
atmosphere.

1165
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1166
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.780
There's a bit of smoke and a bit of like the lighting's a bit

1167
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:49.079
dark.

1168
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.880
The smoke boring.

1169
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:52.679
Do you know what this reminded me of?

1170
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:54.360
This is a bit of a Doctor Who reference.

1171
00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:58.139
It reminded me of Mind Warp when Perry Brown gets taken out to the

1172
00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:01.199
Sea of Sorrows and chained to all...

1173
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:03.059
She's murdered at the end of that as well.

1174
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:03.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1175
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:06.119
So things weren't improving in the 80s.

1176
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:06.780
No, that's right.

1177
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.179
Okay, that's 20 years later. you know this is 20 years earlier

1178
00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:09.659
than that.

1179
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.940
And so this is just unpleasant.

1180
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.039
And what's supposed to be happening.

1181
00:50:14.099 --> 00:50:16.920
Like plot wise, what's what's happening here.

1182
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:19.079
He's trying to make...

1183
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.099
I'm going to say it's you now.

1184
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.139
He's killing her because he's mad.

1185
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.219
Ah, there we go.

1186
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.960
But I mean, what about the writers?

1187
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:27.000
Like what are the writers think this scene is doing?

1188
00:50:27.059 --> 00:50:29.039
You think this was written?

1189
00:50:29.099 --> 00:50:30.900
Yeah. that's the problem.

1190
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.760
Like, what do they think this scene is for?

1191
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:36.420
Is it to show us what an evil guy Garth is?

1192
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.019
Like, we sort of got that.

1193
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.539
You know, it's not fun to watch her.

1194
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:44.579
That's awful.

1195
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.380
That shot was really awful.

1196
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:48.360
And there we go.

1197
00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:55.800
I had a draft once and I went up, yeah, yeah.

1198
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:58.800
So a tuna Madras.

1199
00:50:58.860 --> 00:50:59.760
Oh my god.

1200
00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:05.820
Yeah, now now Kirk's really angry because he's killed someone.

1201
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:09.719
That explosion in her necklace was so vast that they could

1202
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.579
detect...

1203
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.539
Truly.

1204
00:51:15.539 --> 00:51:16.380
Here they are.

1205
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.860
It's another fucking scene where they're just explaining why they

1206
00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:20.400
can't do anything.

1207
00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:22.980
That's all that happens in these scenes, yeah.

1208
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:24.360
Mr. McCoy doing anything.

1209
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:25.619
I can't do anything, does he?

1210
00:51:26.579 --> 00:51:31.619
Deforest has given it is all with the stairs, but nothing is going

1211
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:31.800
on.

1212
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:33.239
Oh, God.

1213
00:51:33.300 --> 00:51:37.199
I feel really so, because we've done a couple recently of TS's

1214
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.019
where porn show, Nichols has done absolutely nothing.

1215
00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:42.480
Nothing at all.

1216
00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:43.800
She's just sat at that console.

1217
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:45.900
No wonder she said I've had enough.

1218
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.920
I don't want to do this.

1219
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.159
Yeah, but at least everyone has nothing to do in these scenes

1220
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:51.300
democratised it.

1221
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.800
That makes it all right.

1222
00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:55.019
Yeah, no one has anything to do.

1223
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:56.699
Oh, wait, we're going to fire the fan.

1224
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.320
It's just you this week, alright?

1225
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.460
everybody.

1226
00:51:59.579 --> 00:52:02.699
And we're going to fire the phases, but we're going to do it

1227
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:06.360
really cheaply using stock footage that is taken from a previous

1228
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:06.840
episode.

1229
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:08.760
Oh, is that what you're watching?

1230
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:11.940
No, I'm watching the new one, but I do happen to know that this is

1231
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:13.739
just reused footage.

1232
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.179
It did baffle the question.

1233
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:16.619
I was like, why didn't they do this earlier?

1234
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.079
They knew where the weak point was and they could get through the

1235
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:19.380
phases.

1236
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.360
Well, why didn't we do this half hour ago?

1237
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:22.260
Well, it doesn't matter.

1238
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:22.800
It doesn't work.

1239
00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:24.780
I mean, the force field still holding?

1240
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.699
So literally that was all nothing.

1241
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.340
So that scene was literally just wasting time.

1242
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.619
I do that a lot in this notch.

1243
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.500
Remember that episode we were TNG we were watching where they were

1244
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:37.679
at war 5 and he goes, well, we, you know, we need to catch up with

1245
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:38.039
them now.

1246
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:38.940
Go to warp nine.

1247
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.400
And I said to you, well, why the fuck were they going to walk on

1248
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.119
in the 1st place?

1249
00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:42.719
That's it.

1250
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.760
They were saving thing.

1251
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:45.599
Who knows?

1252
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:49.739
Saving gas.

1253
00:52:49.980 --> 00:52:52.679
At this point, he needs to die, don't he?

1254
00:52:52.739 --> 00:52:53.940
Oh, can I let you into a little secret?

1255
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.239
Both times I watched this episode, yeah.

1256
00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:59.760
I had to turn it off before the end.

1257
00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:01.920
So I don't know what happens in the last 5 minutes.

1258
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:02.699
Oh, really?

1259
00:53:03.539 --> 00:53:07.679
So I'm quite excited to learn how golf is defeated.

1260
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:09.000
I've not seen him defeated yet.

1261
00:53:09.059 --> 00:53:12.119
Oh, yeah, okay. you'll be super impressed.

1262
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:13.559
It's very clever.

1263
00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.139
Oh, it's a bit where Spock touching before.

1264
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.099
Yeah, this, this.

1265
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.460
He looks so good.

1266
00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:22.920
I refuse to believe he's been beyond that for that long and he

1267
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:23.519
hasn't touched it.

1268
00:53:23.579 --> 00:53:27.480
No, but that's just Nemoy going, fucking hell. am I doing?

1269
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:34.380
Here comes the glitzy Andorian. pimp.

1270
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:35.340
They're both.

1271
00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:38.699
I love the fact that he shows no sign of embarrassment wearing it

1272
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:39.000
either.

1273
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:40.440
Yeah, good.

1274
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:41.159
Yeah.

1275
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.219
Oh, do you know what?

1276
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.079
I'm a bit bored of all these sets now as well.

1277
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:48.300
You know, we've been up and down the same corridors a lot.

1278
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.460
Oh, go on, Spock.

1279
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.380
He knocked them both out, though, with one bridge.

1280
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:53.820
Yeah, woo hoo.

1281
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.400
Finally, this is coming to an end.

1282
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:57.239
Yay.

1283
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:58.380
Oh, he takes a gun.

1284
00:53:58.440 --> 00:53:59.219
What else he do?

1285
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.119
Just walks off.

1286
00:54:00.179 --> 00:54:03.360
He's so bored He doesn't even run.

1287
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:09.480
Meanwhile, back in this room, Garth is still prostrating to

1288
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.800
Captain Kirk and...

1289
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:19.079
The thing that this reminds us of, of course, is that scene in the

1290
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.820
undiscovered country, isn't it?

1291
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:26.940
Where David Bowie's girlfriend is a shapeshifting alien and it, oh

1292
00:54:26.940 --> 00:54:29.880
but that was amazing. is really good to remember.

1293
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:30.420
Nathan.

1294
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.679
I can't believe I kissed you.

1295
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:33.599
Yeah, it must have been a lifelong ambition.

1296
00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:36.840
So good.

1297
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:39.659
But one exchange is more fun than this.

1298
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that whole Yeah, well, that's a brilliant film

1299
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.980
so good Oh, this is fun.

1300
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.000
The 2 terms, yeah.

1301
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:46.559
I've not seen it from this point.

1302
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:47.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1303
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:48.420
So this is pretty good.

1304
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.019
Okay.

1305
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.900
So now Spock's got to decide which Kirk is Kirk.

1306
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:52.800
Yeah, yeah.

1307
00:54:52.860 --> 00:54:57.000
And of course, the obvious thing to do is you've got a phaser set

1308
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.460
to stun, so just stun both of them and then call up.

1309
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:00.719
I'll do.

1310
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:01.199
Yeah.

1311
00:55:01.980 --> 00:55:05.159
There was 2 of you in front of me, I'd stun you both.

1312
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:06.360
Yep, yep.

1313
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:08.699
You'd both wake up in very uncompromising positions.

1314
00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:13.320
Oh dear, here we go.

1315
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:18.179
And so we're doing the same thing with the Queen of Knights Rook 5

1316
00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:18.719
or whatever.

1317
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:21.000
He did a good eyebrow race there.

1318
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:21.539
Yep.

1319
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.699
I'm going for anything I can get now.

1320
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.559
I think that's what you have to do.

1321
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:27.599
Fascinating.

1322
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:28.380
Come on.

1323
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:29.460
Shoe and both.

1324
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:34.320
Yeah, so we're asking a question that only Spock would know.

1325
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:35.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1326
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.460
We do this a couple of times in 90s track as well, you know, where

1327
00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:39.719
you've got 2 of the same people.

1328
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:40.739
Yeah.

1329
00:55:40.739 --> 00:55:41.159
Yeah.

1330
00:55:41.699 --> 00:55:47.159
There's a scene in the adversary, which 2 Odos, uh, where it goes

1331
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.019
anyone could have known that information.

1332
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:50.519
Well, that was exactly what we have here.

1333
00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:53.099
The cockrain maneuver. everyone does that all the time.

1334
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.699
And so he just goes, oh, yeah, okay.

1335
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.199
Yeah.

1336
00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:02.280
So, I just feel more relaxed that Nemoy's on the screen somehow.

1337
00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:04.980
Yeah, yeah, and that he's in charge of the of the scene.

1338
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.659
So we do a sort of wisdom of Solomon thing, right?

1339
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.800
You know, the story about the the 2 women bring the baby to

1340
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:14.460
Solomon.

1341
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:15.179
Oh, here we go.

1342
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:16.079
They're fighting each other.

1343
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:17.639
Look at the terrible double.

1344
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.920
Look at the stunt double. his visible face.

1345
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:24.179
There is one great cup though, where we cut from the stump double

1346
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:28.260
falling to a close-up of Shatton to doing the same maneuver, which

1347
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:28.739
is pretty good.

1348
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.480
There is nothing like that.

1349
00:56:30.539 --> 00:56:31.079
It's no.

1350
00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:33.960
And there's one thing where Shatner puts his hand over the stunt

1351
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:37.860
doubles face as he's fighting so that we can't see that it's him.

1352
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.599
It's so bad.

1353
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.099
It's so bad.

1354
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.719
Oh my god.

1355
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:46.260
I mean, they've done, they've done doubles in TOS way better than

1356
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:46.980
this in the NBA.

1357
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.940
But they did worse ones.

1358
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.119
Remember the tiny little guy with the high voice who became 6 foot

1359
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.119
tall when he was the stunt dubble in the wolf in the fold?

1360
00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:57.539
That was our favourite pole.

1361
00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:58.380
That was awesome.

1362
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:01.920
Yeah, so now he just goes standing there the whole time watching

1363
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:02.340
this fire.

1364
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:03.239
Yeah, yeah.

1365
00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:05.460
He's just going, yeah fuck it. shoot shoot him.

1366
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.579
Yeah, and why didn't you do this at the start?

1367
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.980
Oh, no, he has he shot the right one, though?

1368
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.199
No, he shoots.

1369
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.179
No, because the real Shatner.

1370
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:16.199
Oh no, he just shoots one.

1371
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:19.860
The real Shatner says you should shoot both of us for the sake of

1372
00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:23.219
the Enterprise, and then he knows it's the real Shatner.

1373
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.260
And then later on, the real Kirk.

1374
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.019
And then later on the crap joke at the end is a conversation

1375
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:32.820
between the 2 of them where Kirk goes, how come it took you so

1376
00:57:32.820 --> 00:57:36.059
long to work out, which of us was Garth?

1377
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.960
And he said, he says, oh, I was just going to wait till the

1378
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.739
physical conflict was over and then shoot the winner because they

1379
00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:44.820
use a Garth would win.

1380
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.300
Because of your depleted condition, Captain.

1381
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:50.400
That's actually a pretty good choice.

1382
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:51.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1383
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:52.860
Yeah, that is really, very low.

1384
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:53.880
Does they do the music, though, though?

1385
00:57:53.940 --> 00:57:55.679
I can't remember, probably.

1386
00:57:55.739 --> 00:58:00.960
But they're curing the Andorian of his mental illness and now

1387
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:06.179
they've cured Gar. and he's just sitting there and everything's

1388
00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:09.300
fine and there are no consequences for anything.

1389
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:11.159
And we don't mention that.

1390
00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:13.380
He's just got to go in that machine and he's fine now.

1391
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.780
No, well, I don't think so, because the machine just causes you

1392
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:16.139
pain.

1393
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:18.780
I think he's just relaxing in the machine after being given the

1394
00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:20.099
injection of the medicine.

1395
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.920
Have you seen he's got different coloured boots on?

1396
00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:24.420
He's got one green and one blue boot.

1397
00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:25.260
It will.

1398
00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.099
It was mad.

1399
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.000
He was mad.

1400
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:28.739
Yeah, true, man.

1401
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:29.460
Yeah.

1402
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:30.840
But he's not mad anymore.

1403
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:31.440
He's cured.

1404
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.900
He doesn't remember who Kirk is.

1405
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:36.000
Oh, that's so terrible.

1406
00:58:36.059 --> 00:58:38.280
What's so boring, isn't it?

1407
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:39.119
Yeah, yeah.

1408
00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:43.619
Like the ending of statistical probabilities is they're all still

1409
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:45.000
got their problems at the end.

1410
00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:45.719
Yeah, yep.

1411
00:58:45.780 --> 00:58:48.300
And they've like taken terrible. the community.

1412
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:48.840
That's it.

1413
00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:50.460
You know, that's that's the nice thing about it.

1414
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.500
Oh Jesus Christ.

1415
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:53.940
Yep, so that's it.

1416
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:54.539
He goes off.

1417
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.039
Off, he goes.

1418
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.800
I wondered why Captain Garth hadn't ever been mentioned in Lower

1419
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.420
Decks, but he doesn't seem to have been.

1420
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:04.079
I did check.

1421
00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:06.840
I'm wondering why he hasn't appeared in those days.

1422
00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:07.980
He'd be perfect for it.

1423
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:11.519
My God, he's lost his mind again.

1424
00:59:11.579 --> 00:59:13.079
We've got to get after Captain golf.

1425
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.500
So apparently there was some discourse around Star Trek into

1426
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:20.400
Darkness and who the character John Harrison was going to be.

1427
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:24.300
Like, you remember Bernadette Cumberbond.

1428
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:25.619
What's his name?

1429
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:27.840
Benedict Cumberbatch.

1430
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.679
Bernard Cumberbond. whatever.

1431
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.039
So he played John Harrison and people thought he had a secret

1432
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.320
identity and of course he ended up being kind.

1433
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:41.099
No, please don't tell me that anyone thought he was going to be

1434
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:42.239
Captain Garth's mad.

1435
00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:44.340
Mad Captain Garth.

1436
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.440
Wouldn't that be...

1437
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.119
Talk about starting up and going.

1438
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:50.159
Lord God.

1439
00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:52.619
I mean, awesome.

1440
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:53.760
Come on.

1441
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:55.019
Yeah, so here it is.

1442
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:58.139
This is where he admits to how he was just going to wait.

1443
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.099
He was just gonna wait.

1444
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.880
And Shatner's really not very impressed.

1445
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.119
Nemoy, look, handsome.

1446
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:07.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1447
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.219
Yep.

1448
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:10.199
He's got such a dramatic profile.

1449
01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:11.400
I think he's very handsome man.

1450
01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:12.539
There we go.

1451
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.300
We've done our crap joke and it's time to be...

1452
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:18.059
We've got an eyebrow there and that's the end of it.

1453
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:19.380
Which is by Fred Freiburger.

1454
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:19.739
We know.

1455
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:21.239
Yeah, we could tell.

1456
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:21.840
Thanks, Fred.

1457
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.480
What did you glean from that about mental illness, then, Nathan?

1458
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:25.500
Nothing really.

1459
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:25.860
No.

1460
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.599
It can be cured with an intra Venus injection is what I've learned

1461
01:00:30.659 --> 01:00:34.079
makes you want to murder people spectacularly for no reason

1462
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:34.800
whatsoever.

1463
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:37.199
Oh, it makes you wear very cam clothes.

1464
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:39.659
Yeah, that's an upside, I think.

1465
01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:41.340
Yeah.

1466
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:44.400
And it provokes the wheelbarrow dance.

1467
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:48.059
Yeah, Jesus Christ, that was boring.

1468
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:51.119
That was so amazingly boring, wasn't it?

1469
01:00:51.179 --> 01:00:52.079
Oh my god.

1470
01:00:52.139 --> 01:00:56.820
I'll tell you what, that wasn't much of a struggle to do a

1471
01:00:56.820 --> 01:00:59.039
commentary on as wolf in the fold, if I want.

1472
01:00:59.099 --> 01:01:01.559
That interminable 15 minute scene in the middle.

1473
01:01:01.619 --> 01:01:03.539
We really struggled during that.

1474
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:06.599
Yeah, I think the wolf in the fold because it goes from place to

1475
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:07.440
place.

1476
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:09.840
It is a better episode than this.

1477
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:11.219
It's still very bad.

1478
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.039
It was way more atmospheric than this.

1479
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.480
It was better directed and designed.

1480
01:01:15.539 --> 01:01:18.840
Yeah, and just more interesting because even though we did have

1481
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.920
that complete dead zone in the middle where nothing interesting is

1482
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:23.219
happening.

1483
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.260
Yeah, just to prove that season 3 is going to forge ahead now with

1484
01:01:28.260 --> 01:01:32.099
more issue-based drama, let that be your battlefield is the next

1485
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:32.400
episode.

1486
01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:37.320
Enterprising Council's 2 duochromatic and mutually belligerent

1487
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:38.039
aliens.

1488
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:38.579
Do you remember?

1489
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:44.039
Yes, I think it's just possible that it's an extremely subtle

1490
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.079
allegory for racism.

1491
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:48.900
Extremely, yes.

1492
01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:52.139
Isn't he, isn't it Frank Gautian?

1493
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:53.579
isn't it the Riddler is one of them?

1494
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.079
It's a 2nd Batman person.

1495
01:01:55.139 --> 01:01:58.320
They're literally...

1496
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.380
Freiburg was like, who's popular elsewhere?

1497
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.119
What are people watching?

1498
01:02:03.179 --> 01:02:03.900
What's good?

1499
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.519
Oh, madness.

1500
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.840
Well, I have to say that, yeah, usually we head to the original

1501
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.239
series and we're delighted because we're going to have a lot of

1502
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:12.539
fun.

1503
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.880
We didn't have a lot of fun with that, did we?

1504
01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:17.880
It's that thing with the original series, and I think I said it

1505
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.000
when we did Galileo 7 because it's also true of that, although

1506
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:26.460
that is a vastly better episode than this one, that sometimes it

1507
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:29.820
just seems astonishingly amateurish.

1508
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:35.579
And this one with its sort of cartoon crayon depiction of mental

1509
01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:40.199
illness, it just seemed, it's just like, do you people know

1510
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:41.880
nothing about anything at all?

1511
01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:43.380
Is that the issue here?

1512
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.239
Well, you say cartoon.

1513
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.480
Well, I think if the cartoon iteration on, I'm not talking about

1514
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:49.860
the anime series...

1515
01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:50.099
Yeah.

1516
01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:54.179
Did something on mental illness, it would have way more Thorn

1517
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:55.139
Death Twitter, yes.

1518
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:55.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1519
01:02:55.860 --> 01:02:56.099
Yeah.

1520
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.639
And I think they would kind of realise that probably it might be

1521
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.460
too big a thing for them to deal with.

1522
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:07.260
But, you know, like, I mean, this was just stupid, I think.

1523
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.880
And it was exploitative.

1524
01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:12.179
I think that the Avon Craig thing was particularly unfortunate and

1525
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:13.800
kind of unpleasant to watch.

1526
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:20.760
When Voyager did a rare sort of step into mental illness with

1527
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.579
Sudar, who was psychotic.

1528
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.000
It was really well done.

1529
01:03:27.059 --> 01:03:30.719
I remember Chewvox trying to find a logical motive as to why he'll

1530
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.260
kill somebody and pseudo goes, I didn't like the way he looked at

1531
01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:34.440
me.

1532
01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:37.079
And Chuvo was like, that's not enough.

1533
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:40.079
That is not enough for a reason for you to want to murder

1534
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:40.500
something.

1535
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.039
And they sort of go into how how you can be triggered in

1536
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:44.940
unexpected ways.

1537
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:51.179
I think, though, that like Suda is just Hannibal Lecter a few

1538
01:03:51.179 --> 01:03:54.539
years later, and it said, let's have our version of Hannibal

1539
01:03:54.539 --> 01:03:57.300
Lecter and he's a Betazoid, and he can be on Voyager.

1540
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.960
And what if we had to deal with someone that we couldn't ship them

1541
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.039
off to a penal colony or to Elba 2 and get them dealt with?

1542
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.559
But it's more interesting than this.

1543
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:08.760
Yeah, it's more interesting.

1544
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:12.360
I mean, you know, like that sort of thing was very popular at the

1545
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:17.760
time and doesn't necessarily reflect what actual psychopaths are.

1546
01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:23.219
But somehow it seems less offensive than what we had here.

1547
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:27.000
And it seemed a little bit more kind of grown up.

1548
01:04:27.059 --> 01:04:28.920
But again, it is just a trope.

1549
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:34.860
Like the consulting psychopath that we have in Science of the

1550
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:39.059
Lambs was very effective and hugely important. soon it becomes

1551
01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:39.480
isn't it?

1552
01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:40.739
It's a bit of a trope, though.

1553
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.139
Someone's behaving in a psychotic way.

1554
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:44.579
Right, let's go and talk to Sudo.

1555
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:45.059
Yeah, exactly.

1556
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.099
Yeah.

1557
01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:49.679
The influence seems to be a 90s strike, isn't it?

1558
01:04:49.739 --> 01:04:53.039
If you're not an upstanding member of the Federation, you know

1559
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.400
holding all the morals, that there is some mental health issues

1560
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.659
going on there, you know?

1561
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.059
Yeah, because everybody's perfect in the future.

1562
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.000
Well, no, but they've cured mental illness, so that can't be

1563
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:03.179
true.

1564
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:04.019
We have a medicine.

1565
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:05.579
It's an intravenous injection.

1566
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:07.500
It starts working almost immediately.

1567
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.659
I wonder what went wrong with Barclay then.

1568
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.880
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1569
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.340
work out what we're going to watch next.

1570
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:28.199
I chose this one with my usual skill.

1571
01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:33.960
And so it's your turn, Joe, and I think we have something special

1572
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:35.820
coming up for Christmas, is that right?

1573
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:37.619
We do.

1574
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:40.380
Can you also de- evolve people with your usual skill?

1575
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:41.280
I can, yeah.

1576
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.039
Yeah, yeah, re evolve. is what I tend to do.

1577
01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:46.739
I've always, sorry, but yeah.

1578
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.659
It's very exciting.

1579
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:53.219
We are heading to a well that we have not drained too often.

1580
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:59.099
In fact, only once before where we spent almost 2.5 hours

1581
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:03.000
destroying the reputation of Star Trek generations.

1582
01:06:03.059 --> 01:06:04.079
We're doing the movies.

1583
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:05.880
Yeah, that's fun.

1584
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:07.019
It's well past time.

1585
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:10.199
Well, we kind of said once a year, didn't we?

1586
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:11.099
Yeah, yeah.

1587
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:13.860
I think it can be a thing like towards Christmas, it can be our

1588
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:15.179
sort of seasonal special.

1589
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:17.039
We'll do one of the movies.

1590
01:06:17.099 --> 01:06:20.219
So this is our 2nd one.

1591
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:21.000
Hot luck.

1592
01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:24.480
We know with Star Trek movies, you know, it's hit and miss all odd

1593
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:25.019
and even.

1594
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:26.340
Yep.

1595
01:06:26.340 --> 01:06:28.260
Let's see what gets on the button.

1596
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:29.639
All right, you ready for this?

1597
01:06:29.699 --> 01:06:30.000
Yep.

1598
01:06:30.059 --> 01:06:30.539
Okay.

1599
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:36.780
Your random Star Trek film is good Star Trek generations.

1600
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.880
Well, we have to do it again.

1601
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:39.900
Nope, roll again.

1602
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.159
What are the oats?

1603
01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:43.079
Can you work out the odds, please?

1604
01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:44.639
How many movies are there?

1605
01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:46.500
12, 13, I don't know.

1606
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.920
Oh, oh, oh, you said you wanted a goodie.

1607
01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:51.000
Oh, what is it?

1608
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.699
Star Trek's favourite Star Trek?

1609
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.300
Star Trek two.

1610
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:55.380
Star Trek four.

1611
01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:57.599
Star Trek 4, the Voyager.

1612
01:06:57.719 --> 01:06:58.800
I love Star Trek four.

1613
01:06:58.860 --> 01:07:01.559
Oh, my God, I love it so much.

1614
01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:02.760
I'm cute.

1615
01:07:02.820 --> 01:07:03.300
I'm cute.

1616
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.760
He gave me a pill when I've got a new kidney.

1617
01:07:06.539 --> 01:07:08.340
I can't wait.

1618
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:08.820
That's awesome.

1619
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:10.500
That's one of my favourites too.

1620
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.500
Cleoid, West Adels.

1621
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:17.039
But where is Alameda?

1622
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:18.300
It's so good.

1623
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:19.920
Oh, man.

1624
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:23.639
Yeah, and, well, we watched Star Trek Picant season two, which was

1625
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:24.960
just full of references to it.

1626
01:07:25.019 --> 01:07:29.340
And we've since, you know, we've also seen Futures End where we

1627
01:07:29.340 --> 01:07:30.300
kind of do the same thing.

1628
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.099
It's something that Star Trek goes back to every decade or so.

1629
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.559
But this is the 1st time and it's magnificent, I think.

1630
01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:42.059
There is an entire episode of the centre seat about the voyage

1631
01:07:42.059 --> 01:07:47.519
home. packed full of trivia and quotes from the actors, Nemoy

1632
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:48.539
loads of people.

1633
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:52.019
There's a, oh, I can't just sort of spoil one thing now, where

1634
01:07:52.019 --> 01:07:53.519
lovely Dr. Gillian.

1635
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:58.380
Captain Kirk's bow in this episode is literally quoted as saying, I

1636
01:07:58.380 --> 01:07:59.639
said, cut.

1637
01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:03.840
Leonard, will you get William Shatner out of my life?

1638
01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:05.820
I'm not getting any shots.

1639
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.960
Get him away from me.

1640
01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:10.920
And you know what?

1641
01:08:10.980 --> 01:08:14.219
It is, when were you randomised, Star Trek stories?

1642
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:18.060
It is hit and miss as to what I say about whether I'm going to

1643
01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:22.079
like it or not because sometimes we go back and it's dreadful and

1644
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:23.819
other times we go back and we're surprised.

1645
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:28.979
I can guarantee that we will enjoy this film.

1646
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:30.720
I'm pretty confident about that too.

1647
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:31.739
It is pretty great.

1648
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:33.300
All right.

1649
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:34.140
Oh, wonderful.

1650
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.079
And it'll be, it's the 1st time that that punk appeared in Star

1651
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:38.159
Trek as well, isn't it?

1652
01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:40.380
But not the last. not the last time.

1653
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:40.739
Excellent.

1654
01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:51.659
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1655
01:08:51.659 --> 01:08:52.800
and Nathan Bottomley.

1656
01:08:52.859 --> 01:08:56.340
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1657
01:08:56.340 --> 01:08:59.220
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1658
01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:03.060
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1659
01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:04.619
composed by Cameron Lann.

1660
01:09:04.739 --> 01:09:09.000
This episode was recorded on the 28th of November 2023 and

1661
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:10.260
released on the 1st of December.

1662
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:14.939
We'll see you next time for Star Trek 4, The Voyage Home.

1663
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.279
Ah, yeah, good choice.

1664
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:35.819
Good choice.

1665
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:36.840
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

1666
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:39.479
I was hoping for start five.

1667
01:09:39.539 --> 01:09:40.260
Fuck's sake.

1668
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.600
Oh well, we'll get it one day.

1669
01:09:42.659 --> 01:09:46.079
Well, there's nothing to talk about why it went wrong, William

1670
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:46.859
Shatner.

1671
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.979
Also that thing, you know, because we get to talk about two, three

1672
01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:54.060
and four, don't we?

1673
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:58.260
Like a bit in Star Trek 4 because it's a trilogy.

1674
01:09:58.500 --> 01:10:00.659
Yeah, it pays off loads.

1675
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:01.260
Yeah.

1676
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:02.279
It's really good.

1677
01:10:02.460 --> 01:10:04.380
Where are they at the beginning?

1678
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:05.159
They're on...

1679
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:11.819
They're on... been, is the Enterprise just, so two.

1680
01:10:12.420 --> 01:10:15.420
Oh, they're on the Klingon, the Klingon ship on Vulcan.

1681
01:10:15.539 --> 01:10:18.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah. the beginning, you know, how do you feel?

1682
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:22.619
Yeah, because he's been re-bodied or whatever.

1683
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:25.140
I do not understand the question.

1684
01:10:25.260 --> 01:10:26.699
Oh, I know so many questions.

1685
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.840
And it's really fabulously 80s as well.

1686
01:10:30.899 --> 01:10:32.039
It's so period.

1687
01:10:32.100 --> 01:10:36.060
Like it just, it, you know, just fits in with all of the films of

1688
01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:38.039
that era, all the films of my childhood.

1689
01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:38.880
So good.

1690
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.579
He's talking to that man.

1691
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.560
What about Scotty talking into the mouse as well?

1692
01:10:46.619 --> 01:10:50.100
And like, oh, hello, computer.

1693
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:53.819
People didn't even know what a mouse was back then.

1694
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:55.199
Like it's like 1984.

1695
01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:56.460
That's when the Mac comes out.

1696
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.819
No one had used a mouse before then and at least at home.

1697
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:00.779
It was so great.

1698
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:01.560
So good.

1699
01:11:01.619 --> 01:11:05.579
I laughed a bit when they were all on the street and he's like, oh

1700
01:11:05.579 --> 01:11:06.359
blend in.

1701
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:08.100
They just look more awkward.

1702
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:11.460
They're such nerds.

1703
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.199
Oh, it's so great.

1704
01:11:13.260 --> 01:11:15.539
And everyone gets a slice of the pie as well, which I really

1705
01:11:15.539 --> 01:11:15.779
like.

1706
01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:17.399
Yeah.

1707
01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:20.699
It's almost like Nimwa's got no bill. not all going to be about

1708
01:11:20.699 --> 01:11:20.939
you.

1709
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:22.979
This once.

1710
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:29.340
Oh, the whole bit in the hospital where they take her in.

1711
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.800
Hasn't she got like a baseball up at top?

1712
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:33.779
Remember?

1713
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:34.439
No.

1714
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:39.659
And then they bring Chekov out and they went, he?

1715
01:11:39.779 --> 01:11:41.159
You went in with a she.

1716
01:11:42.180 --> 01:11:43.859
That's great.

1717
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:44.939
Name?

1718
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.140
No, my name.

1719
01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:47.399
I do not know your name.

1720
01:11:48.779 --> 01:11:50.939
It's such a great movie.

1721
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:54.479
It's the one, isn't it?

1722
01:11:54.539 --> 01:11:55.319
It is the one.

1723
01:11:55.380 --> 01:12:02.819
I think aside from 1st contact that really chimed with everybody

1724
01:12:02.819 --> 01:12:04.079
not just the Trek fans.

1725
01:12:04.140 --> 01:12:05.100
Yeah, yeah.

1726
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:05.819
Yeah.

1727
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:10.979
I mean, I think I think those Star Trek films were popular despite

1728
01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:13.140
that weird false start.

1729
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:17.220
Like, I think that weird false start, where they never go to that

1730
01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:17.640
again.

1731
01:12:17.699 --> 01:12:18.659
Do you know what I mean?

1732
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:19.979
They become action adventure.

1733
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:23.460
They're not trying to be Kubrick the 2nd time through.

1734
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.859
And so I remember them being fun.

1735
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.779
I remember, like, I'm sure that I went.

1736
01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:33.659
I think I saw 6 in the cinema after I'd kind of started to get

1737
01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:35.760
into Star Trek and I just took everyone.

1738
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.819
Like, I just said, all right, like, to all my friends, we're going

1739
01:12:38.819 --> 01:12:40.979
to walk down to the monthly plates and watch Star Trek, and they

1740
01:12:40.979 --> 01:12:43.439
all did, and it was like boxing day or something.

1741
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.039
Yeah, like I just, I remember it really well.

1742
01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:47.699
Six.

1743
01:12:47.819 --> 01:12:51.060
I remember watching generations in the cinema and going, well, what

1744
01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:51.960
the fuck?

1745
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:56.340
generations and my father saw generations and drunk for some

1746
01:12:56.340 --> 01:12:56.699
reason.

1747
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:58.020
I think I would be drunk.

1748
01:12:58.079 --> 01:12:58.739
It didn't help.

1749
01:12:58.800 --> 01:12:59.460
No.

1750
01:12:59.460 --> 01:13:02.460
Well, I remember my father saying he'd seen it and he says that

1751
01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:04.979
and we're on the ship and then we're on a sailing ship for some

1752
01:13:04.979 --> 01:13:08.159
reason and I don't know why and it's kind of like, yeah, you know

1753
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.500
like who the hell is going to be able to understand this at all.

1754
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.979
They just don't, that's so dumb, isn't it?

1755
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:18.000
Like, we didn't even talk about how dumb that was at the time, but

1756
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.460
it's like, who are these people on the sailing ship now?

1757
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:22.260
Do you know what I mean?

1758
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:26.520
I mean, we truly brutalised that in our commentary.

1759
01:13:26.579 --> 01:13:30.899
You will try to find the goods that I just went to town on that

1760
01:13:30.899 --> 01:13:31.140
one.

1761
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.600
Oh, just people of Veridium 3.

1762
01:13:33.779 --> 01:13:35.279
Who gives a fuck about them?

1763
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:36.359
Yeah, no.

1764
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:37.380
Just goes to show.

1765
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:38.460
Everyone else are off days.

1766
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.920
Well, Bran Bragg will row it with him, didn't he?

1767
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:42.840
Yeah, yeah, let's blame him.

1768
01:13:42.899 --> 01:13:44.340
He gets the blame for everything.

1769
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:45.899
Right or a threshold.

1770
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:46.380
Oh, sorry.

1771
01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:48.000
He did do 100 off scripts.

1772
01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:49.619
Yeah, we should never mention that.

1773
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:50.220
It's not fair.

1774
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.460
X what does it all day?

1775
01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:55.380
Yeah.