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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are in Voyager series two, which we actually quite like, and we're doing an episode that comes immediately after an episode we've already done.

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This is the episode that comes after alliances, which we had some good things to say about.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

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And this is threshold.

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Famously the Nadir of Star Trek Voyager.

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I wanted going into this, whether we would watch this and, you know, come away with a new reading of it.

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No, we won't.

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It's shit.

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It's so bad.

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And I think it's bad.

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Yeah, I think it's bad not for the reasons that most people think it's bad. and not for the reason that Brannan Braga thinks it's not very good.

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I think the problem with it is it's really boring.

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It's not about anything and it's actively unpleasant to watch.

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It's the last part that sentence that really got me.

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This was gross for no reason whatsoever.

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I've not even, not even Genesis, which is trying to be a horror movie.

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So I understand why it's trying to be very gross.

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This was like actively...

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What did you say last week?

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Repellent to watch it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's just a bad hour of TV.

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And it doesn't really do anything to justify what it's doing.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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It doesn't seem to go anywhere.

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And it, it attempts to, in a, in like 2 scenes where he talks to Jane Williams.

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I have to break the warp 10 barrier, I have to make my mark on history, and then they try and tie that into some daddy issues that he has that he's trying to impress his father.

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And none of it goes anywhere.

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And we don't do all of any of this down the line.

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So it's not setting anything up.

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No, and in fact, it just makes that worse.

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Having Robert Duncan McNeil in those prosthetics whining about his daddy issues is just gross.

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I don't want to see that.

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It's terrible.

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That might be the worst scenes in Star Trek ever, those things.

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I think there are some pretty astoundingly bad scenes even before it goes to hell and starts covering the worst Robert in sort of latex.

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Um, and we'll talk about them as we go through, but there are whole scenes that just don't do anything or go anywhere.

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There's scene after scene after scene of just technobabble and those are scenes that don't have characters who want anything or who are trying to discuss anything beyond just the kind of made-up technology that they're talking about.

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You know what I mean?

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My eyes just drop off the seat.

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Whenever Tenababble was mentioned.

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So those 1st the 1st thought, 15 minutes, I was barely paying attention.

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But I actually don't mind the technobabble in scenes that are otherwise about something, you know, to make it look like these are experts in some kind of 24th century technology.

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We have some technical terms that we don't understand and that's fine, provided we understand what's happening and who's doing what and who wants, what, and what the issues are that are at stake, but there are whole scenes here that are just about the technobabble, and I think they're terrible.

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And I just think that we are right about Robert Duncan McNeil.

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He is the worst Robert.

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And, you know, this was given to him partly in order to kind of redress the balance.

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There wasn't enough focus on him according to the people who were making the show.

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But maybe their instincts were correct, I think.

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Basically, every time we go to the Robert Duncan McNeil, well, we end up with something like this or Alice, you know, high points of the Star Trek franchise.

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Can we talk for a 2nd about lower decks, please?

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Something much more fun.

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Because I watched an episode called Two Vics yesterday, which I thought was a very funny celebration of Star Trek Voyager's most incompetent moments.

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And that's what makes me sad about that episode, is the only way we can possibly celebrate Voyager is to pull out the most absurd and that's what the most terrible moments that they did and pull them into a comedy episode, which work brilliantly for lower decks because it is taking a piss out of all of that.

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You've got Chaotica and Michael Sullivan from Fairhaven and the lizards from Threshold, you know all trying to take over the ship.

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Macro viruses.

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Yeah, and the sad thing about it is I think people look back at Voyager and they don't think about, I don't know, a nuanced performance from Kate Mullgrew or Jerry Ryan a 7 of nine.

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They think about these absurd, terrible episodes that stand out, one, because of their frequency and 2, just because they're so fucking stupid.

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And this is how we remember Voyager.

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This is how we celebrate it.

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Stuff like this.

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We celebrate it also by referencing fear and by referencing... a popular episode.

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We are we are fans of that episode.

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That is considered a low point of Voyager by a lot.

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Yeah, that's baffling. microphone in it, like, show up.

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So, but I think that it's celebrating Voyager doing weird high concept stuff.

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And I think, for instance, what's the episode with the macrovirus called, is it called macrovirus?

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Is it called?

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macrocosomy?

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Dreadful. macrocosm.

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And it is a dreadful episode.

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Did high concept episodes that were very good as well?

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Yeah, which could have been celebrated.

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We could have said, oh, yeah, look at all those are made blink of an eye, you know, that we did.

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Yeah, yeah. you're saying?

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Stuff like that, you know.

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Living Witness.

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No, no, no.

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We go to threshold macrocosm and Fairhaven.

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Because that show was a bit shit and let's tell everybody that, but have a bit of fun with it.

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It's kind of, when Lower Decks celebrated DS9, it went to the station, it brought in some of its best characters.

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It had fun with them.

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There was a little bit of politicking going on.

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You know, it was celebrating the best of it.

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I just think it's kind of sad that the episodes like threshold.

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This is kind of what we remember about this show.

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Yeah.

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I mean, let's talk about what prodigy does, which is a lot more loving, I think.

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You know, like, I think, I think the lower decks people love Voyager, because Star Trek is ridiculous and has always been ridiculous, and I don't think the ridiculous things in this are the problem, I think the boring things are the problem and the unpleasant things are the problem.

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And I liked Genesis.

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I thought it was really funny.

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There was that sort of cute line hanging a lantern on the fact that everyone had been turned into an animal and, you know, you have Deanna clearing her schedule so that Barclay can, you know, offload to her next week.

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All of that's funny in making fun of the premise in the way that Lower Deck stars.

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This, though, is really boring and really unpleasant, and its lead character is an asshole, and I just can't think why I would want to watch it.

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And like having them turn into lizards or salamanders or whatever at the end is a dumb idea, but that's not the problem.

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That's affecting what people remember about this, though, isn't it?

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Because when they did that fabulous animated series animation of threshold.

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Of course they chose this episode to do it on.

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Don't you remember that when Tom Paris goes, like when Tom Paris turns up on the Seritos for the 1st time, Mariner's 1st thing is, is he still a salamander?

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Never forgot.

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Paul Brader Braga.

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He's like, well, people just forget that episode.

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Yes.

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Yeah, he does say that, too.

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What's the quote?

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I had an off day.

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Yeah, you did, you did.

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But like, how could you possibly make an episode where someone turns into a lizard?

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Boring.

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Like that's almost inconceivable.

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Yeah, I mean, think about identity crisis, for instance, where you've got Geordie turning into a sort of luminescent alien and stuff.

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It's creepy and it's doing a sort of interesting procedural.

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There's some nice visuals.

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Like, I'm sure that if I went back and watched it now, you know, if we rolled it, I would kind of decide it was actually really rather boring.

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But I have fond memories of it and I don't think it's dumb in the way that I think this is just dumb.

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I remember Laval Burton, he's got all that sort of weird makeup on his face, that sort of front axial projection with all the blue veins and that, it's properly scary.

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Not like that weird prosthetics they put Robert Duncan McNeil in in this with all the skin flaking off.

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And the takeaway I was eating when I was watching that.

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And I put the food to one side and I was no longer hungry.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I just think this has absolutely nothing going for it.

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It's super miserable.

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It's just not fun or enjoyable and it's visually incredibly boring.

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And if you compare this to Lonely Among Us, or where no one has gone before, where something strange and spacey is happening, and series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation, which doesn't have the budget or the skill of this, actually puts weird stuff on screen.

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The weirdest thing is that scene where Janeway wakes up in the shuttle and and like weird prosthetic Tom Paris is flying the shuttle and there's swirly things in the window and we get that for about 3 seconds.

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Everything else is as boring looking or unpleasant looking as possible.

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I said to you before, the Braga said he wanted to bring sort of some X-Files creepiness and grotesqueness to Star Trek.

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And like, so he wrote the phage, he brought in the Vedians.

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And so that sort of was his angle with this show that we can make it a bit twilight is only a bit strange, you know?

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I feel like this is that just taken to such an extreme for no purpose, but to be weird and grotesque and strange, that it just misses it by a mile, doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And look, that's a reasonable, that's a reasonable aesthetic goal is to be weird and strange, but, you know, the phase is a more successful episode than this.

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And it's a bit yuppier looking.

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Nothing's taken away from us.

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It's still pretty stupid.

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Before we go in, can we can we just aside a little bit of blame here?

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I've got a few quotes from our famous favourite memory alpha page.

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Brandon Braga himself has things to say about threshold.

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Yeah, he says.

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I wrote the episode or at least the teleplay, so he's not taking any responsibility for the ideas.

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No.

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And it had some good intentions behind it.

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It had a good premise about breaking the warped 10 barrier.

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I don't know where this whole de evolving into a lizard thing came from.

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I think I was trying to make a statement about evolution, not necessarily being evolving towards higher organisms, that evolution may also be devolution.

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Well, I didn't get that at all from the episode, did you?

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No.

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So what he says is that there was a speech about that which was cut from the episode and it was, I think, justifiably cut because it's just another fucking technobabble speech in an episode that's full of it.

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But he's appalled, isn't it?

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He says that, no, that he says that that ruined it.

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He says that ruined.

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That is what ruined this episode.

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No.

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And his point about devolution doesn't make any sense because evolution doesn't work like this in any way.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Well, we evolve because of our surroundings.

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Exactly.

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In our DNA that we just happen to turn into lizards later on.

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That's right.

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There's variation and the environment acts upon it in such a way that certain variations are more successful than others.

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And so the environment carves creatures into new shapes.

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You know, it's not just your DNA will eventually turn into a lizard or your program so that, you know, a few generations down the track, you'll all be lizards.

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Like, that just makes sense.

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The doctor has that line, doesn't he?

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He actually says, oh, well, this is obviously something that humans are going to evolve into down the line.

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Okay, how does that even work?

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You know, he was sitting in Sick Bay.

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I'm glad I won't be around.

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But there's very definitely, you know, this is magic DNA.

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And because in Star Trek, your DNA is your essence and your identity, and so it works along magical lines, and so someone turns into a different thing and then you recover their DNA and they're normal again, and none of that makes any sense or it all works at all.

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And that's fine.

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I don't care.

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Like, it's magic, it's all fine.

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But if he thinks he's making a point about evolution, then what might get, like, then it matters.

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Yeah, he's made up a thing that he thinks is evolution and he's going to make a point about it.

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It's just like, well, why are we here?

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What are you talking?

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You remember those people I was talking about last week, the Star Trek fans that go to McDonald's dressed up as clay masks?

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I don't want them to watch this episode and think this is how DNA works. you know?

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No, but I mean, the other thing is, if he's saying that we don't inevitably get better, then why is Star Trek the venue for making that point?

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Because the whole point of Star Trek is that we can get better, that we can aspire to something.

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I just I don't get it.

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I believe that they are, in fact, morally enlightened lizards.

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Yeah maybe that's it.

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They're super chill.

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Well that makes sense.

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I just got a couple more quotes.

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I come from Robert Duncan McNeil. just love.

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When I 1st read the script, I couldn't believe they were going to shoot it.

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Which is, um, it basically says it all, really, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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After, you know, the dust had settled on threshold and people have declared it, the worst bit of Star Trek since Spock's brain.

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It was sort of being spoken, you know, in those sort of terms.

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Jerry Taylor remarks.

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We're taking a lot of flack for that.

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There's been a real lashing out.

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I recognise that people who are on the internet and who write as letters are a tiny portion of our audience, but when it is as overwhelming as it was in this episode, you begin to take notice.

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Wow.

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I think this is vastly worse than Spock's brain.

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And I think it's worse than shades of gray.

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Shades of Grey is bad for all sorts of reasons, but I think this is a less enjoyable 45 minutes of television.

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I've got I've got one last quote, but I've got to save it for the end of the episode.

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And once we've watched it, I also want to ask you, is this the worst episode that we have watched so far?

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But let's watch it 1st and find out.

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Okay, all right.

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I'm ready?

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Well, I'll count it in then in that case.

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Oh my god.

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This is my 2nd time today watching this.

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Can I just say?

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Bless you.

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We'll just say what we always say to each other, at least we're enduring it together.

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That's true.

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That's true.

217
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All right, here goes.

218
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

219
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Oh, we're already off to a bad start. is the worst, Robert.

220
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Yeah, he's the worst Robert.

221
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So I think that the structure here is not bad.

222
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So we have a scene to lead us into the credits where we see a test fail and we're not kind of given the hint that it's on the holodeck, but it turns out that it's on the holodeck.

223
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And so, um, so we know what we're trying to do just from McNeil's dialogue and we get to see the test fail.

224
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Then we get a very boring scene where they make a breakthrough, a really inept piece of TV, which comes in after the opening credits.

225
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And then you get...

226
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Yeah, then we get the passing test.

227
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And so I think this economically sets it up.

228
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It does a reasonable job.

229
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I mean, Brack has been right in Star Trek for some time now.

230
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He can structure an episode.

231
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Yeah.

232
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I don't necessarily mean it's going to be a good episode, but you know.

233
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The nuts and bolts of it are efficient.

234
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Yeah, and he does great high concept episodes. you know, things like timescape and stuff, like just weird stuff.

235
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The Anna Troy is the birthday cake. remember that one?

236
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Fantasms.

237
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Yes, fantastic.

238
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Right.

239
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Yeah, well, he but he writes fabulous forager episodes as well.

240
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Yeah, yeah.

241
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But he is a problem, isn't he?

242
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And we've said that before.

243
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Well, I always feel like he's a bit like the Chris Carter. of the Star Trek universe, you know, it's like Miss Muffet.

244
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When he was good, he was very, very good, and when he was bad, he was awful.

245
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You know, Chris Carter has that problem in the X-Files and Brennan Brum, that's that problem.

246
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Is it Braga or Braga?

247
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It's Braga, I think.

248
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Okay.

249
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I've been saying it, right?

250
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All this time.

251
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I there was someone at who I worked with who had the same last name.

252
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The bit where they revealed Voyager in 2 Vics, in the lower decks episode, right?

253
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Yeah, great.

254
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And the camera was swimming, and the music started playing.

255
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I was like, god that's gorgeous.

256
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Again, it's animation's so good.

257
00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:38.759
It just looks like live action model work.

258
00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

259
00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:40.680
It's really good, isn't it?

260
00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:48.839
Yeah, there's a real love for Voyager in that show, even where they're taking the piss and I love it too.

261
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You know, that's one of the great things about prodigy is how it foregrounds Kate and Voyager and puts the medium Robert in it and all of that.

262
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I'm there for it.

263
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The thing that has surprised me most about Voyager doing it for Untartled Star Trek project is not the big event episodes.

264
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It's not the shitty episodes.

265
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It's the quiet episodes, like resolutions and muse. where that are completely forgotten.

266
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No one remembers them and they're quietly very good.

267
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Yeah.

268
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And I think there's more of that. actually.

269
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We'll discover more of that as we go along.

270
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Yeah.

271
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Well, just remember, I say that the cast is great.

272
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You know, the worst thing that Voyager does is it gets a fantastic cast and completely wastes them.

273
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But they can be fantastic.

274
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I thought it's exemplified mostly with Tim Ross of anybody.

275
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Yeah, yeah.

276
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Like, you know, like Robert Beltran was never going to be particularly great.

277
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No matter what they get.

278
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No, I mean he can be good when he's bothering.

279
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I mean, so this scene here, I think, is really boring.

280
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There's nearly nothing that isn't technobabble.

281
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I didn't write any of this bit.

282
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It just put insert...

283
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And it tries to be a functional scene by having Neelix come along and immediately kind of get dismissed and then he's the one who comes up with the idea.

284
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And that's kind of that's it.

285
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That's that's the scene.

286
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Everything else is just technobabble.

287
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I don't know if you recall, but in resolutions and muse and this.

288
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So the last 3 vorder episodes we watched.

289
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Basically, the only scene Neelix had was I'm going to pour you some coffee and try and help you with the problem you've got this week.

290
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Yeah.

291
00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.039
They really waste him.

292
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So why is the woman have to go and get their cookies as well at the table?

293
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Like, she's the one.

294
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She's the chief engineer.

295
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She's going off to get the cookies.

296
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And then he solves the problem while she's gone and then she comes back.

297
00:19:52.920 --> 00:20:07.380
And like I maintain that that Ethan Phillips is great, you know, like, and I think he's great in this in a character that is not very interesting or likeable in all sorts of ways. i.e. is in 2 directions.

298
00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.740
I think sometimes you can be unexpectedly, like if a quite a mature performance.

299
00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.240
It's really surprising.

300
00:20:12.299 --> 00:20:14.700
And sometimes it's just very juvenile.

301
00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.259
The writing is so juvenile.

302
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.240
Yeah, it's just irritating, you know?

303
00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:20.460
Like nobody could play and not be irritating.

304
00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:26.160
But he's got sort of solid sitcom instincts, I reckon.

305
00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:27.960
There's a very good reason.

306
00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:30.000
We're not talking about any of this dialogue in this stuff.

307
00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:31.319
No, because it's super boring.

308
00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:35.519
And so it does tell us what warp 10 is and therefore what's at stake.

309
00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:40.259
And obviously it tells us, you know, if we achieve this, we could get home with a push of a button.

310
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So we are tying it into the Voyager premise.

311
00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:43.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

312
00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:50.460
And but all I can think about is Kazinski and where no one has gone before.

313
00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:56.039
And do you remember where they end up in that weird galaxy of life?

314
00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

315
00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:02.220
Yeah, seeing people do ballet in the cargo bay and weird shit going on.

316
00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:03.119
Yeah.

317
00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:08.700
But just the beautiful, you know, but this show doesn't bother to do any of that.

318
00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:12.779
Well, it's centring it all on Paris, isn't it?

319
00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:16.920
Yeah, but so you get a messenger speech from Paris.

320
00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:26.700
So he comes back and says, I experienced everything everywhere all at once, but we don't get to see anything like that because we just stay with the ship because that's cheaper.

321
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.859
I blew all the money on the latex.

322
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That's why.

323
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I couldn't afford to do that.

324
00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:35.940
I can't believe this is directed by Alexander Singer, you know, because I don't think there's one inventive shot in this.

325
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.240
And he's generally a very reliable director.

326
00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:42.420
We've done a couple by Alex Anderson where we've praised the direction.

327
00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.019
I think maybe he read the script and went, oh, let's just get it done.

328
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.119
Yeah, I think that's it.

329
00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:51.119
There's a very sort of definite sense of, for fuck's sake.

330
00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:51.720
That was weird.

331
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.099
You said to sit along with their life.

332
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Exactly the same time.

333
00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:55.500
Tom Paris said that's it at the end.

334
00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:55.920
Yeah.

335
00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:56.339
Yeah.

336
00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:57.599
It's really boring isn't it?

337
00:21:57.660 --> 00:21:59.160
have no idea what they just said.

338
00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:00.900
Now, that's a funny line.

339
00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:02.220
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty great.

340
00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:04.380
Basically, that's exactly what I was feeling.

341
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:11.279
Yeah And that little bit of business as well, where he walks past and takes the cookie, you know, and she's sort of standing there going, what the hell's going on?

342
00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:15.000
Like, that's a little tiny bit of comic business, which is kind of hard.

343
00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:17.400
Yeah, well, I could do with a bit more of that in forgery, you know?

344
00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:18.119
Yeah, yeah.

345
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:26.819
Well, just remember when Janeway says goodbye to them all in resolutions and says the thing I remember most of all is the laughter.

346
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:29.579
And you kind of think, really, I hate the laughter.

347
00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.680
You're all so unfunny.

348
00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:32.640
I don't know.

349
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:36.900
We did love that bit of Muse when Harriet B'lana were back together again, don't we?

350
00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:38.099
They were laughing the res off.

351
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:38.880
Yeah.

352
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.599
Okay, I can't believe this fabulous actress has got a terrible episode.

353
00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:48.420
She was pulling 16 hour days to shoot this.

354
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.980
Oh my god.

355
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:56.460
There are some really good moments, some shitty weird lines that she absolutely lands.

356
00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:02.099
And I think at the end where they're all a little bit shell shocked by how ludicrously high concept it's been.

357
00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.460
There is like she's she's actually pretty good.

358
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.099
Did you watch Chakotay said that?

359
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.240
To be honest, it's almost frightening that we might break the war 10 barrier.

360
00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:14.640
Up until now it's only been a frightening.

361
00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.019
That's a very strange.

362
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.740
It's not as bad as drastic research, I have to say.

363
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.720
They've got a gift for hyperbole.

364
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:26.519
Before district writers, don't they?

365
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.880
But look how exciting Kate is.

366
00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:30.839
Far out, she's great.

367
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:32.339
I could just watch her do anything.

368
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.099
Whenever they lean into her passion for science.

369
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:37.500
Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

370
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.380
And Caitlin... nice up, yeah.

371
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.759
It's wonderful.

372
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.740
I thought you might.

373
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.839
And if, like, fuck, for Christ's sake.

374
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:50.460
Like if he was any good.

375
00:23:50.519 --> 00:24:09.779
And if you got that sense, again, it's this wasted opportunity, you know, you've got this relationship between Tuvok and Kate, you've got this relationship between him, he's like someone that she's brought on board and, you know, rescued from prison, all of that sort of thing, and you just get nothing.

376
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.140
Now this is an actively ugly scene, I think.

377
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:17.579
Because he's such a massive prick in it, you know.

378
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:21.539
It's weird as well, because they're just about to do this.

379
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.099
Tom Paris arc, aren't they?

380
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.440
Where he's supposedly going Rome.

381
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:31.019
And it's all a trick to uncover Michael Jonas, which is quite clear. done.

382
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.700
Um, But apart from that, they never, ever go back.

383
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:41.339
You know, you said that about her taking him from the penal colony and caretaker. and that sort of redemption art.

384
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:47.220
It's just like he took puts on the uniform and laser, upstanding Starfleet officer from that point on.

385
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.319
I mean, they gesture at that here.

386
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:56.880
Like there is some attempt in one of the scenes that like just that terrible scene where Mutant Paris and Janeway talk.

387
00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:04.259
They talk about, you know, how all of the, you know, high opinion everyone has of him is a lie and blah, blah, blah.

388
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.740
Like, and but just all of that's so whiny and weird and ugly.

389
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:10.559
It just all comes across as ego, though, doesn't it?

390
00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:12.660
Yeah, this, no, that's exactly what it is.

391
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.299
Well, that's why it comes across like that because it's all ego.

392
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.319
This is my flight.

393
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.299
I'm a massive asshole.

394
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.000
It all scoffs, doesn't he?

395
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:21.480
2%?

396
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:22.619
Oh, I'll take my chance.

397
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:23.579
Ah, 2%.

398
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:24.960
Yeah, yeah. off.

399
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.619
My father used to tell me I was...

400
00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:30.599
Oh, God, you're an adult.

401
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:33.059
Who gives a shit what your father thought?

402
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.720
Grow up.

403
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:36.539
My teacher's so boring, kids.

404
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.500
They all used to say Tom Paris is going to do something special when he grows up.

405
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.960
Oh, so pathetic.

406
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:44.700
It's so bad.

407
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.220
And all of that dialogue.

408
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:53.160
There's like acts 3 and 4 are just that. him whining self-pityingly.

409
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:56.940
It's so unattractive. personal redemption, as you just said to him.

410
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.640
You can trust Jane Way to get to the heart, the matter.

411
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:01.920
Yeah, it's a terrible scene.

412
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.400
You're right.

413
00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:04.619
Are we supposed to like him here?

414
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.359
I think we're supposed to...

415
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:08.160
But he's horrible.

416
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.480
And that's the thing.

417
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:18.779
I think that the Voyager writing stuff think he's likeable. but I think he's a massive egotist and a prick.

418
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.319
Like, he comes off as just an absolute asshole in this scene.

419
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:26.880
More often than not, as you explore the Tom Bellano relationship, yeah.

420
00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:30.059
And I vividly remember this when I watched the series through as a whole.

421
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:41.640
It's always about him just putting her to one side and saying, oh, my latest thing, you know, the TV, the cartoons, the shuttle, Alice, whatever, and her just going, oh, will you please look at me?

422
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:42.779
throughout the entire...

423
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:44.940
I think at any point they make him likeable.

424
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.220
But this really exemplifies the flaws with this character.

425
00:26:53.279 --> 00:27:04.680
And I do think that that redemption thing of, you know, him being a criminal, her taking him along, they really could have lent into that and made that a really interesting arc.

426
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:05.940
But there is no arc.

427
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.559
No, no.

428
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:10.799
Oh, here we go.

429
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:15.420
So this is the 3rd time we've done this now in the episode.

430
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:15.779
Yeah.

431
00:27:15.779 --> 00:27:23.160
So we've had unsuccessful test, which was quite short, to be fair, that we had the successful test, which was on the screen.

432
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.799
So it wasn't, we weren't there directly.

433
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:27.180
We were watching it on the screen.

434
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:28.619
And now we have it here.

435
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:44.640
But again, and one of the things that the, leads them to introduce the Delta Flyer is that that set is boring and flying the ship involves sitting and pressing touchscreen buttons.

436
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:50.819
So you never get a real sense of flying anything and it's, it's, like this.

437
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.559
Like the camera's not shaking.

438
00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:54.720
He's bouncing up and down.

439
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.220
Why is the camera not shaking?

440
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:58.619
I saw going on a bit.

441
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:00.779
Yeah, the lights are going in and off.

442
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:07.680
Someone's offscreen to flicking the lights on and off, like the light switch and like the singer's keeping the camera steady on him.

443
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.339
Why is that?

444
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:15.420
But one thing that works in this scene is you cut to Michael Jonas looking evil at his console.

445
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.900
I'm going to contact the caseon about this. and let them know about walked in.

446
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:25.019
That's, that is the, you know, it's the only time Voyager does this and it's rum.

447
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.299
It's how many sort of running plot lines going on.

448
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:35.640
And it certainly doesn't redeem threshold, but it's a, it's an enticing moment, shall we say, of about 5 seconds.

449
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:48.420
But so we, we stay with the crew because they're all in standing sets and they're all just standing around talking and so that's cheap to shoot. you know, and then he comes back.

450
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:54.839
We don't stay with him and we just let him tell us how marvellous it is and we don't get to see it.

451
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.099
Like, look, oh, look, see, that is as weird as we get.

452
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:04.980
It appears in a slightly weird way in the in the, you know, the shot, the model shot.

453
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.160
Did they not mention?

454
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:10.440
I swear there was a mention of stellar cartography in this.

455
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, there was.

456
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:16.500
And we don't actually get to see it until series 5 when they've got the budget to make the set, you know?

457
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.440
Yeah, but that's not that's Astramatrics, remember?

458
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.940
Oh, yeah, photography.

459
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.039
Do we ever see Stella cartography then?

460
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.779
In Star Trek, the Next Generation.

461
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.920
It's the big giant set in generation. generations.

462
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.059
Yeah.

463
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:31.559
So there's one of those on this ship.

464
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:32.279
We just never see it.

465
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.420
See, I love this.

466
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.619
I actually really love that, where...

467
00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:44.279
Wake up, Latana, wake him up, and he just shouts to wake up, we turn it, and then Janeway's reaction is really great, and the doctor is really great.

468
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:49.619
Like, that's dumb, but that's more enjoyable than just about anything else that happens in this episode.

469
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:54.660
Picardo is basically the one person who's trying to put their comedy into this, isn't he?

470
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.500
He has a couple of lines.

471
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:02.160
I think he has a really good moment as well, and I don't know if it was his choice or not, but I thought it was really great.

472
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.559
But yes, I think he is pretty good.

473
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:13.259
But again, they make him boring in this because he's just talking about, you know, cell membranes and blah, blah, blah, you know, it's all just grab.

474
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:18.720
I meant to tell you, I do think there is a single worst piece of direction ever in Star Trek in there.

475
00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:22.559
Oh, certainly, so far on this run, I can't wait to get to that point.

476
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:23.220
Oh, okay.

477
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:23.819
Excellent.

478
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:31.200
It's so fucking limp. it's untrue I was everywhere, captain, and I mean...

479
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.460
Everywhere, show.

480
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.259
It's not a radio play.

481
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.940
Go on, show us.

482
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.099
Far out.

483
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.660
No, I don't think one of this episode has going for it.

484
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.279
It wouldn't have cost a fortune.

485
00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:44.880
No, no, no.

486
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:49.799
I know, just like what they do with Cisco in that white set or something like that.

487
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:51.539
Anything. anything.

488
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.079
Yeah.

489
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:52.980
Yeah.

490
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:59.460
Yeah, because Instead, it ends up being boring and ugly.

491
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:00.839
Yeah?

492
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:07.259
And this whole thing, sorry, I know you were going to say it don't really matter, but this whole thing about being everywhere, all at once.

493
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.599
Well, I, that seems to make sense to me because, like, if it's a limit.

494
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:13.440
Do you know what I mean?

495
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.960
part of the problem is that it's the round number 10.

496
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:16.920
Do you know what I mean?

497
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.940
And they've also done sort of fun references to Warp 13 and stuff in the future.

498
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:29.759
Like, I think all good things, you know, the, um, you know, Beverly ship travels, the pasta travels at Warp 13 because of that, the future.

499
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:32.039
But the idea that 10 is the limit.

500
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:35.819
Like a real limit, the way that the speed of light is a limit.

501
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.980
What's the nature about that as well?

502
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.700
wasn't force of nature about breaking the warp 10 barrier.

503
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:48.000
No, no, it's about the way that subspace is being degraded by travelling through it.

504
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:53.700
And they've got a limit of warp 5 at the end of that, yeah. at the beginning of this.

505
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.819
Yeah, yeah, just a few episodes. just forgot about it.

506
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:05.819
I, there was a, I think there was a good Picardo line as well, but I hope we missed it, and I can't remember what it was, but there was another one in that scene.

507
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.599
I cannot believe how boring this is to look at.

508
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.440
There's just no inventiveness in the shooting of this.

509
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:19.619
No, they're all just standing around talking techno babble like that. lots of shots of planets and stuff.

510
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.660
How much?

511
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:22.740
You know what they could have done?

512
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.700
They could have just to suggest, you know, he's everywhere at once.

513
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:35.880
Just cut to very quick shots of old episodes on different planets and some news reports of the past and things like that, you know, just very quickly for like 30 seconds.

514
00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:42.000
Yeah, anything, just weird space looking, you know, swirly things would have done it.

515
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.380
Nathan, it could change the very nature of our existence.

516
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.339
Look at her.

517
00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:51.180
There would be nothing beyond our reach.

518
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.440
And look at her little bit of data and stuff.

519
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:56.039
She's so good.

520
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.980
She's a bit of a god complex now, isn't she?

521
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.579
Yeah.

522
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.680
But I mean, that is the interesting thing about it.

523
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:05.519
And if it was going to be about that, that would have been interesting, but obviously it's not.

524
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:10.380
It's going to be about him whining self-pityingly in Sick Bay for ages and ages.

525
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:17.160
I don't think there's any great surprise that Neelix's coffee has a detrimental effect on Tom Paris's health.

526
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:18.420
Yeah, he's allergic to the water.

527
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.200
Yeah.

528
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.960
See, B'lana likes Neelix.

529
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:22.980
I love B'lana.

530
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:23.819
She's so great.

531
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.200
Look at that.

532
00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:27.539
Why did they forget about her for 3 seasons?

533
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.440
I know.

534
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:29.400
It's crazy, isn't it?

535
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.119
She's so good.

536
00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:31.259
She's so good.

537
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.880
You know, right?

538
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:35.279
Just very quickly back to 2 weeks again.

539
00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.519
The ending with all that cheese coming out of all the consoles.

540
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.460
I mean, it's another shit episode.

541
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

542
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.339
They're making fun.

543
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:46.619
It was very funny. much funnier than this.

544
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.019
Oh my god, this is not funny.

545
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.940
This is not fun.

546
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.200
Oh, this Tetla babble.

547
00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.480
Like, like, the techno babble was bad enough for me.

548
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:58.319
Then you get the daddy issue stuff and I'm like, please, can we go back to the techno babble.

549
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:03.720
Then we get the then we get him turning into a lizard and puke out his tongue and I'm like, please, can we go back to the daddy issues?

550
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:08.519
Well, at least at least when it's a lizard is not delivering dialogue, though.

551
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.380
Like, that's there's that, you know?

552
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:12.719
Do you think that?

553
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.760
Do I think he's a good actor then?

554
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:17.639
I don't know. given him a lot to do.

555
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:19.019
Yeah, yeah.

556
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.139
Well, they must think he's a good actor. cast him.

557
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.980
I think because the 1st duty went down so well.

558
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:26.280
Yeah.

559
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:28.019
It has a lot to ask for.

560
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:31.860
He does a great scene in the 1st year.

561
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.760
I no, no, no.

562
00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:33.719
He is pretty good in that one.

563
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:35.579
So what happened?

564
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.900
I don't know.

565
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.280
It might be the writing.

566
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:41.880
I think the 1st duty is an extraordinarily well-written episode of Star Trek.

567
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:43.260
Ramore, isn't it?

568
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:43.980
Yeah.

569
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:48.059
Well, one thing that Voyager didn't have only for one episode at least.

570
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:48.480
Yeah.

571
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.199
Yeah.

572
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.659
Yeah, it was just very well written.

573
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:56.099
And so Nick Lacano's character was really super, like, charismatic.

574
00:34:56.099 --> 00:35:02.280
And, you know, Duncan, like, the worst Robert was able to kind of make that happen.

575
00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:07.500
Well, like, is this stuff being made, you know, it's also being factory made?

576
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.820
26 episodes a year.

577
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:09.840
They're churning it out.

578
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:21.119
To a point where, you know, somebody, a good writer like Brana Braga gets a synopsis like this with that he's got to turn into a teleplay where he can't just go, look, let's not make this.

579
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.760
I'll I'll think something up.

580
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:25.199
I'm not going to write this.

581
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:30.000
But we don't have time to do that and he can't necessarily come up.

582
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.699
You know, you see him once he's run out of ideas.

583
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:39.059
You're like, well, this, like this acting that we're getting from Robert here.

584
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:40.260
Can I do it?

585
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:42.059
Because I always do it when he does it.

586
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.159
He just goes, no.

587
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.019
You can't say no.

588
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:55.800
It's so bad. and look, he's just more and more technobabble.

589
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:59.760
It's so boring. processing oxygen. can only hope.

590
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.139
Oh, yeah.

591
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.500
Oh yeah.

592
00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:07.440
Oh, these isolation feels...

593
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.219
Do you know what, right?

594
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.019
I told you last week.

595
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:12.840
One side of this, you've got alliances.

596
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.300
The other side of this, you've got meld and death wish.

597
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.820
Like there's 3 of the best episodes of Voyager.

598
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.260
How is this nestled in the middle?

599
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.719
I know, and we like series two.

600
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:24.599
I mean, that's the thing we like series 2 of Voyager on the...

601
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:29.460
I do think the 1st half of 2 really struggles and I'm wondering if this is pitched around that time.

602
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.420
Right.

603
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:36.960
You know, to the point where the production team did say, we've got to pull up our socks and do something more excited than this.

604
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:37.800
Right, right.

605
00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:42.480
I mean, this is the cardinal scene of it, isn't it?

606
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:43.199
It's boring.

607
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.280
So he's dying.

608
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:47.699
Do we go to an ad break with him dying and then he just gets better?

609
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.800
Like, like, because nothing is happening at the moment, except they're all standing around talking.

610
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:57.900
We have to invent a reason to go to the ad break that is just made up.

611
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:04.380
Well, I think they're underestimating their audience if they think we're going to get any suspense in the idea of Tom Paris dying.

612
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:05.880
Yeah, that's true.

613
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:06.599
That's true.

614
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.119
That would be a course of celebration.

615
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:10.440
Oh, poor Jennifer Lee.

616
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:11.280
Oh, look at him.

617
00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:12.059
He looks ghastly.

618
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.559
Yeah, it does.

619
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.119
We've barely begun.

620
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:16.739
Yeah, I know.

621
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.960
I actually really like, so there's a thing that where he says kiss me.

622
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:29.820
Like he does this sort of thing imagining his funeral and how they'll be all beautiful women there crying and just think, fuck, dream on.

623
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.980
A latex factor for this.

624
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.239
Like, it's like, it's gross.

625
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:40.860
But he says kiss me and the doctor goes, I can't remember.

626
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.239
It's kind of like, I don't know.

627
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.219
I don't feel that way about you.

628
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.400
He doesn't say that, but he does say, he does kind of rebuff it.

629
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:51.840
And then when he dies, she goes over and kisses him on the cheek and like I thought that was nice.

630
00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:53.460
Looking like that.

631
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.460
I know, but that was actually what was kind of nice about it.

632
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.079
She's just sweet, you know?

633
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:05.159
Well, you've got to remember, in the 1st half of the season, we've had this whole Neelix, Tom Paris, Kez triangle going on to the point.

634
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:12.119
Do you remember where they were throwing spaghetti dinners at each other and then going down on the planet and birthing Muppet babies or something?

635
00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.139
Oh my god.

636
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:15.000
Is that parturition?

637
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.559
Yeah, terrible.

638
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.880
You got to remember the puppet babies in this.

639
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.480
Twisted is Twisted is in the 1st half series 2 as well.

640
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:26.280
I mean, there was some tricky times.

641
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.079
Yeah, for sure.

642
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:30.599
This was however, the trickiest of times.

643
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:33.480
This is so boring.

644
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:40.500
Like, this is him talking about his childhood bedroom and how he would go then to masturbate and read comics and like, oh, yeah.

645
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:48.360
Picardo's reaction to hearing about him losing his virginity and he does this. note that in your medical file.

646
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:52.139
And you know, like, that's not a super funny line, but he's great.

647
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.900
That, you know, he can make that stuff work.

648
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.579
And this.

649
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.880
Oh god, pepperoni, fuck off.

650
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.820
This is so boring and bad.

651
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.139
But I think it's appeared into a certain type of Americanness, isn't it?

652
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.179
Pepperoni pizza, losing your virginity, having a truck, you know, all that sort of stuff.

653
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.599
I think this pepperoni pizza and losing my virginity.

654
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.280
That's those are both good things.

655
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.599
I'm not American.

656
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:26.039
Like, I don't understand what's, but like, I just don't want to hear the worst, Robert, banging on and on about it for whole scenes.

657
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:29.760
I didn't want to say the word jock, but I think like that's the idea.

658
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.219
I think that's the idea.

659
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.199
Yeah, but he's not because he's made by Robert Duncan McNeil.

660
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:40.860
If it was beefy, you know, it might work.

661
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.699
Until my dad that I did it.

663
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.659
He said...

664
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.920
Oh, far out.

665
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:48.000
It's so bad.

666
00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:51.900
Just die. come on And do you remember?

667
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.239
Drew, actually, do you remember when you finally sees his dad?

668
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:56.159
Yeah, exactly.

669
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.440
It's that inoffensive old Admiral.

670
00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:59.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

671
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.860
But it's a lovely moment. really touching.

672
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:08.099
But there's no hint of the the the tension that they're going for, yeah.

673
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.920
Like, it's just the most generic thing imaginable.

674
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.820
Do you know what I mean?

675
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:13.019
He disappointed his father.

676
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.480
Like, that is so dull.

677
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.099
Who cares, you know?

678
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:21.480
No, so we're not going to revive him.

679
00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:22.139
Thank God.

680
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.019
Nathan his cell membranes have degraded.

681
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.340
Yeah, yeah.

682
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.320
It's like when, yeah, that's bad, because they keep your, the stuff in the sound.

683
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:36.539
Remove the acid chloride gas from the, oh, fuck, this dialogue.

684
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:37.079
All of it.

685
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.880
It's so boring.

686
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:39.780
It's so boring.

687
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:49.980
And this, here's the bit that I like that I, that Picardo does, which I think is really good, because he's doing a good job.

688
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.760
Look at this.

689
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.440
He goes to put his hand on her.

690
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.860
Shoulder and then decides not to.

691
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:06.119
And it's kind of like all, you know, there's that he, you know, when he shouts in, in um, Paris's ear to wake him up and Janeway reacts.

692
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:07.320
It's kind of like, yeah, that's right.

693
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.380
He's a bit of an asshole, but he's just a computer program.

694
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:16.920
You know, there is that problem about the doctors, bedside manner, and that was just a little moment of humanity, which I thought was really good.

695
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:23.699
Like, I hope it was in the script, but if it wasn't, it was a great, you know, that was Picardo doing a really good thing.

696
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.800
And I think she's...

697
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:31.980
The benefit of having an ensemble cast that we're in week in, week out because we did another episode recently.

698
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.679
I can't remember which one it was, where it was pretty dreamable.

699
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:39.780
We cut to Janeway, getting news that we're never going to see Harry Kim again or something like that.

700
00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:46.320
And it was a really lovely moment where she sort of looks off screen, sort of loggingly that she'll never see it again.

701
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.179
Well, that was in news, remember?

702
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:49.380
We're coming up to it now.

703
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:49.800
Okay.

704
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:51.300
I think it's this thing.

705
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.260
No, it's not quite yet.

706
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.639
No, sorry, not going to shut up.

707
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.260
This is where Tom Paris is dead alive, isn't it?

708
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.940
Yeah, yeah.

709
00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:03.179
Which, uh, why?

710
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.000
Why did his body die and then come to life again?

711
00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:09.300
Because we needed some jeopardy.

712
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.619
We needed something to happen.

713
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.719
These scenes couldn't just be people talking.

714
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.679
I thought it was a relief that the episode was over when he died.

715
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.019
Yeah, no, look, he's still alive.

716
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.480
Oh my god.

717
00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:27.059
And so what happened to his he pulls his hair out?

718
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.960
Oh, this is where it just all starts to get icky and horrid.

719
00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:33.360
Yeah, so we're doing the fly.

720
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.860
That's been neatly cut off.

721
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.000
We can see that.

722
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:37.559
Like what's happening there?

723
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.000
He hasn't pulled any hair out.

724
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:40.380
That's neatly cut off someone.

725
00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:44.099
And he just doesn't have the chops to do any of this.

726
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.340
No, and so the fly is when.

727
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.780
Is it the 80s?

728
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:56.699
It's like Gina Davis and Jeff Goldblum, and it's directed by Star Trek's very own David Cronenberg.

729
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.940
Unforgettably grotesque, isn't it?

730
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.139
Yeah, fantastic.

731
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.659
This is a sort of PG version of this.

732
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.480
Where we do it for a scene.

733
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.159
And it we just keep cutting to him in various stages, don't we?

734
00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:13.019
So there's no transformation at any point.

735
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:16.019
No, we don't get to see anything like that.

736
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:18.059
We're in a sinister way.

737
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.380
The weird thing is right.

738
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.579
Every time we cut to him, I swear they did all of these shots in a day for all the episodes.

739
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:27.840
Because it's always this angle with the pad, just there in front of the camera.

740
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:31.440
And it's always the same case on...

741
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.880
It's the same case on who we who was in alliances, I think, we saw him in alliances.

742
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.639
Imagine if we just had Cesca pop up here for us.

743
00:43:38.699 --> 00:43:39.659
Hello, Jonas.

744
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:43.800
She would have, she would have let up this episode.

745
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.340
I do like that though, that this is a running thing.

746
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.300
Let's do that.

747
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:48.900
Yeah, it's great.

748
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.699
But this is the pillar effect.

749
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.840
Yeah.

750
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.340
Yes.

751
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:02.280
So here we have a scene which I'm embarrassed, you know, that Kate had to participate in.

752
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:07.619
Like, I just feel I'm cringing the entire time that Kate Mulgrew is having to do this.

753
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.719
In a way, like I should be cringing that Robert Picardo is having to do it as well.

754
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:18.059
Um, and he's doing a great job of, you know, selling this crap.

755
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.199
Um, but Janeway, like how do you even react to this?

756
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:30.960
And, you know, again, we get a messenger speech from the doctor where he just says he's behaving oddly, you know, he's deranged at times.

757
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:37.139
He knows who we are, but, you know, sometimes he says very odd things and he warns her and all of that.

758
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:51.059
That's what's happening here And then it's just self-pitying moaning that he's doing for ages and ages, which is just just unpleasant to watch, and she's having to find a way to react to it.

759
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:56.460
I don't know if you remember in Mailed, which is the next episode, I think.

760
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.079
We're doing exactly the same thing.

761
00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:13.800
We turned deranged in that one, but there's a sequence in his quarters where he's in the silhouette and Janeway is too scared to come in because he's been shown to be violent and there's an intensity to it and Russ plays it in a formidable way.

762
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:16.679
And it's just electrifying to watch.

763
00:45:16.739 --> 00:45:18.900
It's the antithesis of this, you know?

764
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

765
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:24.000
Like, it's awful, like, it's really bright lighting as well.

766
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:25.800
Well, so you look...

767
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.360
Oh, it's just awful.

768
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.940
I think we really win an award for that.

769
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.860
Yeah, it's just so bad.

770
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:39.659
And, and doesn't, um, she says you've looked better, which I think is a well-delivered line, and look at her looking concern.

771
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:48.300
But I mean, all of this moaning and character stuff, like it's so bad. don't want to look at him right now.

772
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:54.659
No, it's, So there's something inflating the latex bag that his head's in.

773
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:55.980
Do you know what I mean?

774
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.340
They're blowing air into it in order to make a...

775
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:01.079
I'm going to make a bit of an obscure reference.

776
00:46:01.139 --> 00:46:16.380
But revelation of the Daleks, a 1980s Doctor Who story, did a mutant with a pulsating head covered in organs, which was genuinely grotesque and looked miles better than this on one 10th of the budget.

777
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.760
Oh, the budget, Eve that.

778
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:21.659
They've just slapped more and more...

779
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.340
It's really unimaginative.

780
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:30.780
It is trying to look a bit like Brundlefly, I guess, but this, fuck, shut up.

781
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.500
Like, it, like, doesn't he have some kind of hypo spray that can make him lie down and stop saying this dialogue?

782
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.300
Because this is unpleasant.

783
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:40.679
He's doing his sort of...

784
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:41.820
Why can't you just say it?

785
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.500
Nobody loves me.

786
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.360
I need to transform me.

787
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:47.940
Barry, you dead, captain, you know.

788
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:50.039
It's ugly.

789
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:57.420
It's better than in a minute when he's lying on the chair and he's like, he's kind of doing his all of his dialogue like that.

790
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.000
Like, why don't you feel sorry for me?

791
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:02.760
Very old.

792
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:04.380
Yeah, it's awful.

793
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.719
Look at her trying.

794
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:09.000
Look at her trying to make it work.

795
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.739
Proof conclusive that sometimes even K mole grew.

796
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.780
No, no, because this is shit.

797
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.940
Oh, yeah.

798
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:18.840
Fuck off.

799
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.719
Like, can we flood the thing with something else?

800
00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:26.039
They do that exact moment in meld, right?

801
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:33.420
Where the force builds up and Tuvoxgone Evil, and he lashes out of the force field at Janeway.

802
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:34.920
It's amazing.

803
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:37.380
It's like he stabbed a knife at her or something.

804
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.940
It's really what that is just shit.

805
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:40.500
I'm sorry Yeah, yeah, yeah.

806
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.760
Oh, he's the tongue thing.

807
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.159
Jesus Christ. thought this was a good idea.

808
00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:49.500
I mean, this really is the flaw on a budget this.

809
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.179
We're just going to be bobbing out his tongue.

810
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:58.139
Yeah, yeah, but it's so they're looking for Jennifer having to react to that as well.

811
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.340
Maybe this was the scene that he was talking about when he was like, I can't believe they're going to shoot this.

812
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.539
They're going to shoot that.

813
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.920
It's so bad.

814
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:09.539
Is that the worst of the episode?

815
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.579
I think it might be Yeah.

816
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:12.119
Oh, yeah.

817
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:15.420
It's the self-pity and the just the sheer boringness of it.

818
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.739
It lifts a bit when the, the, you know, their salamander is fucking on an unconvincing alien planet.

819
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.480
That's actually quite good by comparison.

820
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:27.239
Oh, is all anyone remembers?

821
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:31.079
This, like, oh, fucking shut him up.

822
00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:34.679
Like, and now he's sitting on the ground in his pyjamas.

823
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:43.440
He doesn't, like, you know, he's coughed up his tongue, but somehow he's managing to out of consonants that require it.

824
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:45.119
Like, it's really boring.

825
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.699
And he's sort of going blue.

826
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:49.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.400
Like what's that?

828
00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:51.960
What is that?

829
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:59.159
It's so awful If someone, a non-trek person walked into the room and I was watching this, oh, yeah, yeah.

830
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:01.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

831
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.559
I'll be like, yes, it's sophisticated science fiction.

832
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.820
Intelligence themes.

833
00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:07.380
That's exactly it.

834
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:10.139
Oh, yuck.

835
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.900
Oh, he looks grim, doesn't he?

836
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.139
Mind you, you know when he sort of, it all goes a bit shiny in his face.

837
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.539
And he's got that weird sort of beaky mouth.

838
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:21.719
No, he pretty much looks like this in series 7, I think.

839
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:30.960
They've ironed it all out in lower deck when they bring it back.

840
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.579
The chores of animation.

841
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.780
Like, what, what, what, what do we think the appeal of this here?

842
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:40.920
Do you know what I mean?

843
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:44.159
If we like Tom Paris as a character, this is unpleasant to watch.

844
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:48.900
We all know that it's not going to go anywhere, so why are they making us watch this?

845
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:50.579
Like, what is it?

846
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.559
And it goes on for fucking ever.

847
00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:55.260
It's indefensible.

848
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:56.099
It's so bad.

849
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:01.260
Oh, here's some techno babble. which is quite nice. makes a change of bass.

850
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.440
No, that's not a better thing. sadly, it is a better thing.

851
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:09.539
For once, I look great.

852
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:11.699
Yeah, you're right.

853
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.199
Who is this supposed to appeal to?

854
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:15.780
Yeah, like, what are those scenes for?

855
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.639
They're not character stuff.

856
00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:18.840
They're not entertaining.

857
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:22.679
They're, like, the wine is so basic.

858
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.760
No, the reset's gonna be...

859
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:33.239
I mean, even I, when I 1st watched this, didn't realise that they were going to go quite this far to where the climax of this story goes.

860
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

861
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.179
Because I remember I remember watching it going, well, how the hell are they going to reset this?

862
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.800
Yeah, it's just like, the doctor has repaired it with his usual skill.

863
00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:45.480
Okay, exactly right.

864
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

865
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.320
Yeah, but at least in Genesis, they make a joke out of that.

866
00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:51.179
Like I said before, that's funny.

867
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.320
Oh my god.

868
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:53.579
Like, what's this?

869
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.320
Yeah, like that's... what?

870
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.260
I was going to say something really horrible then.

871
00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:04.440
It's awful.

872
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.820
Where does it go on the Bo Mars scale?

873
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.780
I once looked in my toilet once and I saw something that looked very like that, you know.

874
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.699
Yeah, no, it's unpleasant.

875
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.079
On the bow mask scale.

876
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:14.219
Oh no, it doesn't work.

877
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.199
You think it's crossing the threshold, the Boba threshold?

878
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:20.519
too disgusting.

879
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.719
Oh, look at her.

880
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.119
Oh, this is about our first techna babble.

881
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:32.460
But him breathing through that latex mask and opening and closing his mouth and stuff.

883
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:33.659
Oh, this is it.

884
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:34.920
This is the moment of direction.

885
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:35.699
Okay, so watch.

886
00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:44.099
And his escape is all done on a screen and all you see is the engineering set and these 2 themes of the phaser.

887
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.599
I actually quite like that.

888
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:47.400
It's so terrible.

889
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:49.739
It's the lady, I feel like, look at it.

890
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.539
I don't have to look at Robert.

891
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.599
Like, it's kind of fun because it all happens.

892
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:56.099
The camera's just there.

893
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.280
We can't, we know that something's happening, but we can't see it.

894
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:01.800
Everyone runs on beams.

895
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.340
Everyone's sort of right and it's like...

896
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.380
Oh, it's so cheap.

897
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.260
He's really cheap, isn't it?

898
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.480
We can't be bothered doing that scene at all.

899
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:22.139
There was a there was a Doctor Who story was where they managed to do a revolution by just having 2 laser sound effects in the distance and they went, oh, listen, that's the revolution.

900
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.659
That's the Voyager, equivalent of that.

901
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.699
Yeah, so cheap.

902
00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:28.920
Oh, God.

903
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:37.079
And so he just shot our thing and now everything's not working properly so he can escape and take Kate with him.

904
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:39.360
Power failures.

905
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:40.320
We can't track him.

906
00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:42.599
No sensors. are so boring.

907
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:49.260
So we're doing the back of Kate's neck, which means that we know that she's going to be attacked and she senses it, which I think is pretty great.

908
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:53.579
Like that's, and then this. was knock her to the floor, though.

909
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:55.199
I don't think she could hear her head.

910
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.420
No, that's bullshit.

911
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.000
It's cold, but you, for God's sakes.

912
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:01.139
Yeah.

913
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:12.119
It annoys me that people on Star Trek who are writing Star Trek don't know that localised means confined to a small area and not locate.

914
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:15.360
It's not just a fancy word for locate.

915
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:16.320
Localise it.

916
00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:17.820
Just crazy.

917
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.159
I don't think that's the biggest problem with the dog.

918
00:53:20.219 --> 00:53:21.119
No, it probably is.

919
00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:21.659
I'm honest.

920
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.099
Yeah, no that's fair.

921
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:24.780
It is, it is.

922
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.380
Yeah, terrible, but Oh, here we go.

923
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.360
That looks stupid.

924
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:35.940
Oh my god.

925
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.219
He does look like a massive turd.

926
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:40.679
So ridiculous.

927
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.480
A massive turn with a mouth.

928
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:43.980
Yeah, yeah.

929
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:44.940
Okay.

930
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.659
All right.

931
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.519
Go into hyperspace, like whatever.

932
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:48.420
Transform.

933
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.699
Yeah, but even then we only see the transition.

934
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.059
We don't see what they see No, I'll show you.

935
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.780
This is the this is the weird effect that they think conveys it.

936
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.179
You look, we're about to be in the shuttle.

937
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.099
Basically, fade to why?

938
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.079
Yeah, it's so boring.

939
00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:09.360
It's so boring Well, there's sort of a bit of a swirly pattern on Bulgrew's face, I think.

940
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:21.960
Eight years ago, we do a better job in Star Trek series one, which is universally panned for being dreadful, but at least it still knows that it's got to try and look interesting.

941
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:29.219
Oh no, he goes, quick, no, structural failure in 45 seconds. that means they can't keep up with them.

942
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:34.920
No, because they can't go at warp thing, warp above warp 9 point something.

943
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:42.719
And I know, I know you're saying like the lizard stuff is kind of fun in a really, really stupid way.

944
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:43.679
It's dumb.

945
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:45.599
But it's like, that's it.

946
00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:47.219
That's as weird as we can manage.

947
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.539
Like that's that's supposed to make us, we're supposed to be happy with that.

948
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:57.840
Somebody must have looked at that synopsis. this part of the episode and gone, why are we doing this?

949
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.039
Yeah.

950
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.840
Like, this has lost all reason and good taste.

951
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

952
00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:09.599
But it just manages to be in no way entertaining at all.

953
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:14.219
Like, no one read that script and thought, this is really boring.

954
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.320
And why is he saying boring?

955
00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.539
Like, why is he telling us about his childhood bedroom?

956
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.639
Like, why are we hearing this?

957
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.940
And then this speech.

958
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.539
So we're sort of getting this talk about evolution.

959
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.360
We're going to learn something about evolution from this.

960
00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:31.920
Just terrible.

961
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.099
I have said that a lot.

962
00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:37.739
It's terrible.

963
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:38.760
No, I know.

964
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:44.880
Yeah. accelerated the natural human evolutionary process by 1000000s of years.

965
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.440
Like that makes no sense.

966
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.079
After something, in all DNA, know, what environmental changes are going to happen.

967
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.460
You're going to possibly know that.

968
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.059
That's right.

969
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:55.440
And we know that.

970
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.760
I mean that's okay.

971
00:55:56.820 --> 00:56:08.219
And, you know, like we, the only reason we have Genesis is because some ludicrous DNA nonsense happens and that's all fine, but that happens in an episode that has something going for it.

972
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:10.679
But it doesn't even need to be that.

973
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:16.800
It could just be, oh, this happens to be the mutation that happens when you go to warp 10, you know?

974
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:17.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:25.380
Just reputations in DNA, but what they think is that if you change your DNA, you change your body, that doesn't happen. we go.

976
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.099
These are the most infamous scenes in Voyager now, the lizards.

977
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:29.940
You're right.

978
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:31.619
I thought they were toysed.

979
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:32.579
They're massive.

980
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. people in them.

981
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.159
No, no, no, please don't tell me there's an actor in there.

982
00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:39.599
I hope there is.

983
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:41.219
Are they big?

984
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:42.719
Surely they're big puppets.

985
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:44.460
Okay, maybe they're big puppets.

986
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.320
Are they big puppets with people?

987
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:48.780
When they shoot them, they sort of wobble about.

988
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:51.539
They go, and they just sort of fall to the ground.

989
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:53.940
The babies are adorable.

990
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.440
Yeah, they're cool.

991
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:58.679
Oh, one of the babies because they're... the sort of CGI for the time.

992
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:00.059
I thought that's not terrible.

993
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:00.840
There's people in them.

994
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:01.500
I think there's people.

995
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.940
Look, look, he's walking on his hands.

996
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.320
He's adorable.

997
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.440
What did you do today, darling?

998
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:10.139
I made your dinner.

999
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:11.039
Tell me about your day.

1000
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:12.780
How was work on the boys to say?

1001
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:13.440
fun.

1002
00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:14.219
This is fun.

1003
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.659
Again, super boring.

1004
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.239
The most low effort alien planet we've ever seen.

1005
00:57:18.300 --> 00:57:24.719
We've got raided the production officer from some ferns and we put some sand on the ground.

1006
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.659
It's stock jungle set one.

1007
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:29.940
It's so boring.

1008
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:33.059
Which one is it?

1009
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:34.500
The female, of course.

1010
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:35.699
That's a funny line.

1011
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:36.599
That is a funny line.

1012
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.039
That's so adorable.

1013
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.239
There they go.

1014
00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:41.579
They've had a bit of practice with that episode.

1015
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:42.599
Oh, there's CG babies.

1016
00:57:42.659 --> 00:57:43.079
There you go.

1017
00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:43.619
There you go.

1018
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:44.699
Yeah, I know though.

1019
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.219
So I think they look fun. was pretty good.

1020
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.440
I like his line.

1021
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:54.000
I don't know how I'm going to enter this into the log and then he says, I look forward to reading it.

1022
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:55.260
That's pretty great.

1023
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.139
The chewbot line where he goes, which one's the captain?

1024
00:57:58.199 --> 00:57:59.460
Well, the female. of course.

1025
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.199
That's quite funny.

1026
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.380
Oh, my God. dear.

1027
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.760
I don't think I've ever seen anything quite as stupid as that, though, on any other show.

1028
00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:14.280
Look at Kate. giving side eye to Tom who's clearly off camera.

1029
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.780
I'm the direction.

1030
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:23.340
Kate, we want you to, the beginning of the scene, and you've just been reevolved, and you just need to convey all of that with a look.

1031
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:24.420
Off you go.

1032
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.179
She manages it because she's Kate Mulgrew.

1033
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:31.860
Oh, this line, which she goes, I never imagined having children.

1034
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.860
But I certainly didn't imagine having them with you.

1035
00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:41.760
It's so well delivered.

1036
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:45.599
It's so shit and she absolutely lands that stupid line.

1037
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:46.139
It's wonderful.

1038
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:50.820
This is why we need prestige actors as regulars in Star Trek shows.

1039
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:51.599
Oh, crap.

1040
00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:53.400
Gosh.

1041
00:58:53.460 --> 00:59:09.239
And then, like, so there was something in memory, Alfred, and I'm not quite sure where, like, as if Robert Duncan McNeil had some say in how this scene went as if some of the dialogue was his.

1042
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:21.179
And this is a bad scene because, again, it's trying to salvage something out of this just giant mess that hasn't managed to be about anything.

1043
00:59:21.179 --> 00:59:24.659
And it brings us back to the daddy issue staff, you know.

1044
00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:26.760
So what happens now?

1045
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:32.219
It goes in the log that he achieved it so that we don't explore this anymore because you're going to turn into a lizard.

1046
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.400
So is there a band now on research into warp 10.

1047
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:36.900
Yeah, I think so.

1048
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:43.920
But the thing that I like, which is really great, because she says, and I'm putting accommodation on your record, he says, why?

1049
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:48.059
And I just wanted to say, because you were a pretty good lay, you know?

1050
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:56.039
And I also like her thing where she says, actually, what makes you think you initiated it?

1051
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:57.719
Yeah, okay.

1052
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:58.619
That's a good line.

1053
00:59:58.619 --> 01:00:03.900
I feel that that's where Bragg is on firmer ground. where we can have some fun with...

1054
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:12.179
But I like it when it goes about, you know, turning into a lizard, having babies, and then Janeway goes, you've broken more than one record today.

1055
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.840
Oh, fuck me.

1056
01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:18.539
I look at you with such admiration.

1057
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.039
Oh, yeah.

1058
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.380
It's so bad.

1059
01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:25.619
Yeah, it's really super bad.

1060
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.559
And then that terrible final line.

1061
01:00:28.619 --> 01:00:33.659
I just hope they're not theoretical impossibilities. and she goes, somehow, I think they won't be.

1062
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:35.159
Just say fuck off.

1063
01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:37.800
I'll tell you how good Kate Mulgrew is, right?

1064
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:47.280
She has, throughout these 7 years, she has all these scenes with Robert Duncan McNeil and Garrett Wang, 2 dreadful actors, and she manages to sell those relationships.

1065
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:54.480
On her own for 7 years. getting nothing back at all from the other actors.

1066
01:00:54.539 --> 01:01:01.440
Yeah, and increasingly getting nothing back from the medium, Robert, either, who kind of checks out at some point quite early on, I think.

1067
01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:05.760
Mel to started, and we're in Sandrines.

1068
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.280
Now, someone's about to be murdered in the warp coil.

1069
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:10.199
Oh, that's fabulous episode.

1070
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:11.699
Why the hell didn't we watch that?

1071
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.739
Brad Dorov's in it?

1072
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:15.840
Oh, it's terrific in it as well.

1073
01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:17.519
Regular character semi-regular.

1074
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.440
Yeah, that's pretty amazing, isn't it?

1075
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:19.980
Pretty good.

1076
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:29.579
I did say to you, I was going to give you one more quote at the end of that riveting episode of Star Trek Voyager. and it's back to Brannan Braga again.

1077
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:38.280
Who, after a few years of thinking about it, is now quoted in 2003 of saying, it's a terrible episode.

1078
01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:41.820
People are very unforgiving about that episode.

1079
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.460
I've written well over a 100 episodes of Star Trek.

1080
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.380
100 Yeah, yeah.

1081
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:47.280
Amazing.

1082
01:01:47.340 --> 01:01:49.920
Did you see that what the average of good to bad is?

1083
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.780
Yet it seems to be the only episode anyone brings up, you know?

1084
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:00.840
Brannan Braga who wrote threshold out of 100 and some episodes.

1085
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.280
You've got to have some stinkers.

1086
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:06.179
Unfortunately, that was a royal steaming stinker.

1087
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.239
Oh, good for him for at least admitting it.

1088
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:13.679
Not trying to blame anyone else, although there is a lot of blame to go around.

1089
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:17.880
There is just a tiny bit of trivia that is worth mentioning here as well.

1090
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:31.260
Despite its lack of popularity, this episode of Star Trek Voyager was one of the only few episodes commemorated by Playmates toys with the launch of an episode-specific Voyager action figure release.

1091
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:41.219
In this case, the release was an action figure of the episode's hyper-evolved Tom Paris, complete with a phaser and his 3 mutant offspring.

1092
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.539
Wow.

1093
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.559
What if there'd been a Paris and a Janeway and you could have rubbed them against one another and stuff?

1094
01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:48.960
I don't know, I know what you're getting for Christmas.

1095
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:05.699
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to discover what we're going to be doing next week.

1096
01:03:05.820 --> 01:03:08.340
Threshold was your choice.

1097
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.559
The only way is up.

1098
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:13.559
Yeah, and we're not ever doing Voyager again.

1099
01:03:13.619 --> 01:03:14.159
That's it.

1100
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:16.199
I've just declared that unilaterally.

1101
01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.300
We've had far, far too much Voyager.

1102
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:23.159
Hardly enough, I feel as if that was what happened when people watched this on the original rub.

1103
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:24.900
I'm never watching this show again.

1104
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.860
Do you know what?

1105
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.760
Can I just say one last scene?

1106
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:31.380
Yeah, and I realise this is completely off topic given this is the moment we choose.

1107
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.000
This was the 3rd highest rated episode of series two.

1108
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:37.800
That's upsetting.

1109
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.599
No wonder no one came back.

1110
01:03:39.659 --> 01:03:42.960
A lot of people were exposed to it. right.

1111
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:43.619
All right.

1112
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:48.960
So we're going to choose an episode of Star Trek, the original series as a...

1113
01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:49.739
Oh, yes.

1114
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:57.659
And that's all we have. on the Randomiser, which is, of course, at untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1115
01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:04.019
I'm going to have to bring up a website because every time we do this, I'm going to let people know they're behind scenes now.

1116
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:07.019
Every time we do this, we'd be doing original series episodes.

1117
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.179
We're like, we've got no idea, well, that's good.

1118
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:09.719
Yeah, yeah.

1119
01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:10.320
Yeah.

1120
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:11.940
Okay, that is a thing.

1121
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:13.019
All right.

1122
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:22.260
So, I'm pressing the button and it is your random Star Trek, the original series episode, is season two, episode 19, a Private Little War.

1123
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.480
Right, Little War.

1124
01:04:24.539 --> 01:04:26.159
I'm going to read you the synopsis, okay?

1125
01:04:26.219 --> 01:04:26.579
Okay.

1126
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.679
Private little war.

1127
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:37.980
When the Klingons are on the aggressing side of a primitive culture with firearms, Kirk takes it upon himself to arm the other side in the effort to level the playing field.

1128
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:51.239
I think that I have watched that reasonably recently, it is terrible, but it is the episode that the Megato are from.

1129
01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:54.179
It sounds like it could be quite interesting.

1130
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.239
It's not good, like it isn't good.

1131
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.760
And so if we want to do something good, we should do it.

1132
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:05.340
I mean, you know, the Megato we've seen, we did that episode of Lower Decks that featured them.

1133
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.719
Let's try something good.

1134
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.079
We've done too many 1st roles recently. think so.

1135
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:11.880
I think that's absolutely.

1136
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.159
We've been sticking to the premise of this podcast far too long.

1137
01:05:14.219 --> 01:05:15.119
A little bit too hard.

1138
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:15.840
Okay.

1139
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:24.300
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is, it's like the next one or the one really nearby.

1140
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:28.679
The Gamesters of Triskelion, season two, episodes 16.

1141
01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:31.860
Okay, so Jama gives this one star.

1142
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:33.780
So it's probably going to be really good, which would be great.

1143
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:45.539
Um, Kirk, Ahura, and Chekhov are kidnapped to the planet Triskellion, and forced to engage in arena games to the amusement of 3 powerful aliens who bet on the outcomes of the fights.

1144
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:46.920
I mean, it sounds ghastly.

1145
01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.659
Yeah, it does sound pretty terrible.

1146
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:49.559
Roll it again.

1147
01:05:49.619 --> 01:05:50.639
I'm going to roll again.

1148
01:05:51.000 --> 01:06:00.360
So Jammer gave threshold some score, and then he went back and revised it down to 0 stars.

1149
01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:01.679
Okay.

1150
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:09.480
He says that he admits it in his review that he originally gave it maybe a very generous half a star or one star.

1151
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.639
And then fall down to that.

1152
01:06:11.699 --> 01:06:12.900
What the hell was I thinking?

1153
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.400
Yeah, yeah.

1154
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:15.480
All right, here goes.

1155
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:21.179
Season three, episode 14, whom gods destroy.

1156
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:31.800
While delivering medicine to a pedal colony for the insane, Kirk and Spock are taken prisoner by a megalomaniac bent on unleashing his wrath upon the universe.

1157
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.000
That sounds fun.

1158
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:40.500
Yeah, back in the day, we joked about a Star Trek episode, which I have watched, and I think it's this one.

1159
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.039
I'm pretty sure it's this one that had an exploding green woman in it.

1160
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:48.900
And obviously, obviously that's an Orion.

1161
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:57.000
So it's an Orion girl called Martyr, and she explodes in this episode, and that was a thing that we thought was sort of super hilarious.

1162
01:06:57.059 --> 01:07:03.420
Um, so that's... in one particularly cruel scene, Marta is blown up.

1163
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:04.619
It sounds amazing.

1164
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:12.059
He also says most of the episode is hopelessly cooly and overplayed, so I really want to watch it now.

1165
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:13.559
Yeah, I think it could be pretty good.

1166
01:07:13.619 --> 01:07:14.460
It could be fun.

1167
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.260
It could also be ghastly.

1168
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.900
We haven't really dipped our toast too much into season 3 and it's the Freiburger year, isn't it?

1169
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.139
would be interesting to discover a bit more about that.

1170
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.260
All right, let's do that. whom gods destroy.

1171
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.940
Let's do it.

1172
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:25.380
Oh, it's ghastly, isn't it?

1173
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:25.859
Yeah.

1174
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:27.119
Oh, no, that was miserable.

1175
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:31.439
I reckon I reckon we go out on the Christmas.

1176
01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:33.000
Oh okay. you think?

1177
01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:34.680
Yeah, that's a good place to it.

1178
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:37.140
Oh, Jesus Christ.

1179
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:38.579
So bad.

1180
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.159
I chose... chose that one.

1181
01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:43.439
No, technically you chose that one because I would have skipped it.

1182
01:08:43.500 --> 01:08:44.880
And you said, no, we had to do it.

1183
01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:46.199
We've got to do it.

1184
01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:47.579
Yeah, how can we not do it?

1185
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:52.020
Oh, God, it looks like you're being eaten by that lizard then.

1186
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.899
It looked like you were being eaten by that lizard.

1187
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.340
You literally went, right, in its mouth.

1188
01:08:57.659 --> 01:08:59.279
So stupid.

1189
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:11.340
So the peak charm. show me that I'm gonna use and I'm gonna sometimes I cheat slightly by just improving the lighting if it's a bit rough.

1190
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:14.399
Sending it on there on the chat.

1191
01:09:14.939 --> 01:09:17.159
Yeah, I've just got to find it.

1192
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:18.779
So.

1193
01:09:25.739 --> 01:09:27.359
Where is it?

1194
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.880
It's really dark.

1195
01:09:29.939 --> 01:09:31.680
So you can't see anything, but I can fix that.

1196
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:37.800
The little puppity guy.

1197
01:09:37.859 --> 01:09:39.960
They little puppets, they say it all.

1198
01:09:40.020 --> 01:09:41.880
The best part of the episode.

1199
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:43.800
Yeah.

1200
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.100
Oh my god, I can't believe I can't believe there's a toy of that.

1201
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:48.539
I wonder how much that sales for.

1202
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:58.920
Look, I won't do it quite as bad as this, but I'm going to export that and show you parish threshold toy.

1203
01:09:58.979 --> 01:10:01.079
I want to see if anyone's selling it.

1204
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:03.899
Oh yeah.

1205
01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:05.819
Oh really?

1206
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.119
Quite a say.

1207
01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:13.920
Look at that.

1208
01:10:13.979 --> 01:10:16.800
Oh, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me.

1209
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:17.220
Wait a sec.

1210
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.020
It's on the screen.

1211
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.979
Oh no, I thought it'd be the lizard.

1212
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:24.420
Why can't it be the little?

1213
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.220
I would love a little.

1214
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:27.420
Where are the little babies?

1215
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:29.220
Wait.

1216
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:34.560
It's in the in the chat, but you can barely see them, but I've got a better picture.

1217
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:41.640
Oh, it's only £57. it could be worth it Here you go.

1218
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:42.420
This is...

1219
01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:44.760
Oh no, that's so good.

1220
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:52.199
Oh, there's a YouTube video. 2 minutes unboxing. embarrassed mutating in French.

1221
01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:52.920
Oh, no.

1222
01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:54.779
Oh no, that's awesome.

1223
01:10:55.500 --> 01:10:57.479
Oh, how wonderful.

1224
01:10:57.659 --> 01:11:00.060
I love Star Trek fans.

1225
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:02.880
Wow.

1226
01:11:02.939 --> 01:11:05.220
All right, it's my go.

1227
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:06.479
It's nearly 10.

1228
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:07.380
I should, um.

1229
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:09.180
I would just like to hang on.

1230
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:14.579
That's what comes with it.

1231
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.779
You get 3 of those.

1232
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.060
Oh, no, that's so shit.

1233
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.520
I actually do just look like turds, don't I?

1234
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:21.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1235
01:11:21.539 --> 01:11:22.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1236
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:23.279
Ugh.

1237
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.640
I'll be a fun listen, though, you know?

1238
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.760
So it's here.

1239
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.159
Nathan.

1240
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.500
Oh yeah, here you go.

1241
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.180
I'll send you this.

1242
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.539
I'm not it's not going to be as extreme as this.

1243
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:42.720
But that is clearer.

1244
01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:47.579
Oh, that's yeah, that's the last bit.

1245
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.260
Oh, it's a lot clearer, isn't it?

1246
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.680
Look at the 2 the 2 adults either side. as well.

1247
01:11:52.739 --> 01:12:00.119
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna, um, like I'll bring it down so it's not quite so obviously done as that, but I sometimes do that.

1248
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.359
Well, if we've got a podcast on this show.

1249
01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:05.760
Yeah, it's so bad, isn't it?

1250
01:12:05.819 --> 01:12:06.899
All right, it's my guy.

1251
01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:09.539
Just so we get to the thing.

1252
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:14.279
It's so stupid.

1253
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:17.279
It's so boring and yucky.

1254
01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:20.699
It's a yucky. and have something good next week.

1255
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:24.180
We should always try and keep the balance, you know?

1256
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:26.579
Okay, let's do it.

1257
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:27.720
You know where you're going?

1258
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:28.739
Yeah.