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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are in Voyager series two, which we actually quite like, and

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we're doing an episode that comes immediately after an episode

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we've already done.

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This is the episode that comes after alliances, which we had some

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good things to say about.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

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And this is threshold.

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Famously the Nadir of Star Trek Voyager.

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I wanted going into this, whether we would watch this and, you

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know, come away with a new reading of it.

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No, we won't.

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It's shit.

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It's so bad.

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And I think it's bad.

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Yeah, I think it's bad not for the reasons that most people think

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it's bad. and not for the reason that Brannan Braga thinks it's

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not very good.

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I think the problem with it is it's really boring.

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It's not about anything and it's actively unpleasant to watch.

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It's the last part that sentence that really got me.

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This was gross for no reason whatsoever.

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I've not even, not even Genesis, which is trying to be a horror

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movie.

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So I understand why it's trying to be very gross.

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This was like actively...

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What did you say last week?

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Repellent to watch it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's just a bad hour of TV.

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And it doesn't really do anything to justify what it's doing.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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It doesn't seem to go anywhere.

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And it, it attempts to, in a, in like 2 scenes where he talks to

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Jane Williams.

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I have to break the warp 10 barrier, I have to make my mark on

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history, and then they try and tie that into some daddy issues

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that he has that he's trying to impress his father.

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And none of it goes anywhere.

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And we don't do all of any of this down the line.

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So it's not setting anything up.

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No, and in fact, it just makes that worse.

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Having Robert Duncan McNeil in those prosthetics whining about his

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daddy issues is just gross.

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I don't want to see that.

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It's terrible.

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That might be the worst scenes in Star Trek ever, those things.

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I think there are some pretty astoundingly bad scenes even before

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it goes to hell and starts covering the worst Robert in sort of

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latex.

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Um, and we'll talk about them as we go through, but there are

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whole scenes that just don't do anything or go anywhere.

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There's scene after scene after scene of just technobabble and

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those are scenes that don't have characters who want anything or

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who are trying to discuss anything beyond just the kind of made-up

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technology that they're talking about.

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You know what I mean?

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My eyes just drop off the seat.

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Whenever Tenababble was mentioned.

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So those 1st the 1st thought, 15 minutes, I was barely paying

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attention.

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But I actually don't mind the technobabble in scenes that are

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otherwise about something, you know, to make it look like these

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are experts in some kind of 24th century technology.

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We have some technical terms that we don't understand and that's

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fine, provided we understand what's happening and who's doing what

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and who wants, what, and what the issues are that are at stake, but

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there are whole scenes here that are just about the technobabble

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and I think they're terrible.

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And I just think that we are right about Robert Duncan McNeil.

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He is the worst Robert.

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And, you know, this was given to him partly in order to kind of

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redress the balance.

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There wasn't enough focus on him according to the people who were

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making the show.

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But maybe their instincts were correct, I think.

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Basically, every time we go to the Robert Duncan McNeil, well, we

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end up with something like this or Alice, you know, high points of

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the Star Trek franchise.

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Can we talk for a 2nd about lower decks, please?

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Something much more fun.

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Because I watched an episode called Two Vics yesterday, which I

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thought was a very funny celebration of Star Trek Voyager's most

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incompetent moments.

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And that's what makes me sad about that episode, is the only way

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we can possibly celebrate Voyager is to pull out the most absurd

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and that's what the most terrible moments that they did and pull

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them into a comedy episode, which work brilliantly for lower decks

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because it is taking a piss out of all of that.

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You've got Chaotica and Michael Sullivan from Fairhaven and the

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lizards from Threshold, you know all trying to take over the

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ship.

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Macro viruses.

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Yeah, and the sad thing about it is I think people look back at

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Voyager and they don't think about, I don't know, a nuanced

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performance from Kate Mullgrew or Jerry Ryan a 7 of nine.

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They think about these absurd, terrible episodes that stand out

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one, because of their frequency and 2, just because they're so

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fucking stupid.

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And this is how we remember Voyager.

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This is how we celebrate it.

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Stuff like this.

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We celebrate it also by referencing fear and by referencing... a

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popular episode.

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We are we are fans of that episode.

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That is considered a low point of Voyager by a lot.

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Yeah, that's baffling. microphone in it, like, show up.

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So, but I think that it's celebrating Voyager doing weird high

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concept stuff.

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And I think, for instance, what's the episode with the macrovirus

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called, is it called macrovirus?

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Is it called?

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macrocosomy?

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Dreadful. macrocosm.

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And it is a dreadful episode.

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Did high concept episodes that were very good as well?

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Yeah, which could have been celebrated.

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We could have said, oh, yeah, look at all those are made blink of

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an eye, you know, that we did.

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Yeah, yeah. you're saying?

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Stuff like that, you know.

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Living Witness.

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No, no, no.

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We go to threshold macrocosm and Fairhaven.

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Because that show was a bit shit and let's tell everybody that, but

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have a bit of fun with it.

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It's kind of, when Lower Decks celebrated DS9, it went to the

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station, it brought in some of its best characters.

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It had fun with them.

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There was a little bit of politicking going on.

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You know, it was celebrating the best of it.

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I just think it's kind of sad that the episodes like threshold.

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This is kind of what we remember about this show.

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Yeah.

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I mean, let's talk about what prodigy does, which is a lot more

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loving, I think.

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You know, like, I think, I think the lower decks people love

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Voyager, because Star Trek is ridiculous and has always been

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ridiculous, and I don't think the ridiculous things in this are

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the problem, I think the boring things are the problem and the

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unpleasant things are the problem.

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And I liked Genesis.

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I thought it was really funny.

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There was that sort of cute line hanging a lantern on the fact

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that everyone had been turned into an animal and, you know, you

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have Deanna clearing her schedule so that Barclay can, you know

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offload to her next week.

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All of that's funny in making fun of the premise in the way that

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Lower Deck stars.

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This, though, is really boring and really unpleasant, and its lead

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character is an asshole, and I just can't think why I would want

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to watch it.

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And like having them turn into lizards or salamanders or whatever

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at the end is a dumb idea, but that's not the problem.

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That's affecting what people remember about this, though, isn't

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it?

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Because when they did that fabulous animated series animation of

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threshold.

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Of course they chose this episode to do it on.

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Don't you remember that when Tom Paris goes, like when Tom Paris

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turns up on the Seritos for the 1st time, Mariner's 1st thing is

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is he still a salamander?

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Never forgot.

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Paul Brader Braga.

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He's like, well, people just forget that episode.

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Yes.

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Yeah, he does say that, too.

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What's the quote?

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I had an off day.

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Yeah, you did, you did.

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But like, how could you possibly make an episode where someone

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turns into a lizard?

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Boring.

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Like that's almost inconceivable.

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Yeah, I mean, think about identity crisis, for instance, where

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you've got Geordie turning into a sort of luminescent alien and

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stuff.

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It's creepy and it's doing a sort of interesting procedural.

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There's some nice visuals.

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Like, I'm sure that if I went back and watched it now, you know, if

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we rolled it, I would kind of decide it was actually really rather

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boring.

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But I have fond memories of it and I don't think it's dumb in the

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way that I think this is just dumb.

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I remember Laval Burton, he's got all that sort of weird makeup on

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his face, that sort of front axial projection with all the blue

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veins and that, it's properly scary.

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Not like that weird prosthetics they put Robert Duncan McNeil in

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in this with all the skin flaking off.

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And the takeaway I was eating when I was watching that.

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And I put the food to one side and I was no longer hungry.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I just think this has absolutely nothing going for it.

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It's super miserable.

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It's just not fun or enjoyable and it's visually incredibly

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boring.

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And if you compare this to Lonely Among Us, or where no one has

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gone before, where something strange and spacey is happening, and

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series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation, which doesn't have

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the budget or the skill of this, actually puts weird stuff on

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screen.

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The weirdest thing is that scene where Janeway wakes up in the

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shuttle and and like weird prosthetic Tom Paris is flying the

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shuttle and there's swirly things in the window and we get that

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for about 3 seconds.

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Everything else is as boring looking or unpleasant looking as

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possible.

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I said to you before, the Braga said he wanted to bring sort of

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some X-Files creepiness and grotesqueness to Star Trek.

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And like, so he wrote the phage, he brought in the Vedians.

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And so that sort of was his angle with this show that we can make

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it a bit twilight is only a bit strange, you know?

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I feel like this is that just taken to such an extreme for no

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purpose, but to be weird and grotesque and strange, that it just

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misses it by a mile, doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And look, that's a reasonable, that's a reasonable aesthetic goal

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is to be weird and strange, but, you know, the phase is a more

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successful episode than this.

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And it's a bit yuppier looking.

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Nothing's taken away from us.

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It's still pretty stupid.

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Before we go in, can we can we just aside a little bit of blame

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here?

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I've got a few quotes from our famous favourite memory alpha

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page.

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Brandon Braga himself has things to say about threshold.

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Yeah, he says.

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I wrote the episode or at least the teleplay, so he's not taking

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any responsibility for the ideas.

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No.

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And it had some good intentions behind it.

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It had a good premise about breaking the warped 10 barrier.

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I don't know where this whole de evolving into a lizard thing came

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from.

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I think I was trying to make a statement about evolution, not

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necessarily being evolving towards higher organisms, that

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evolution may also be devolution.

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Well, I didn't get that at all from the episode, did you?

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No.

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So what he says is that there was a speech about that which was

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cut from the episode and it was, I think, justifiably cut because

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it's just another fucking technobabble speech in an episode that's

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full of it.

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But he's appalled, isn't it?

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He says that, no, that he says that that ruined it.

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He says that ruined.

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That is what ruined this episode.

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No.

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And his point about devolution doesn't make any sense because

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evolution doesn't work like this in any way.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Well, we evolve because of our surroundings.

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Exactly.

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In our DNA that we just happen to turn into lizards later on.

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That's right.

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There's variation and the environment acts upon it in such a way

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that certain variations are more successful than others.

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And so the environment carves creatures into new shapes.

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You know, it's not just your DNA will eventually turn into a

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lizard or your program so that, you know, a few generations down

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the track, you'll all be lizards.

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Like, that just makes sense.

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The doctor has that line, doesn't he?

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He actually says, oh, well, this is obviously something that

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humans are going to evolve into down the line.

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Okay, how does that even work?

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You know, he was sitting in Sick Bay.

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I'm glad I won't be around.

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But there's very definitely, you know, this is magic DNA.

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And because in Star Trek, your DNA is your essence and your

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identity, and so it works along magical lines, and so someone

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turns into a different thing and then you recover their DNA and

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they're normal again, and none of that makes any sense or it all

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works at all.

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And that's fine.

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I don't care.

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Like, it's magic, it's all fine.

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But if he thinks he's making a point about evolution, then what

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might get, like, then it matters.

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Yeah, he's made up a thing that he thinks is evolution and he's

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going to make a point about it.

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It's just like, well, why are we here?

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What are you talking?

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You remember those people I was talking about last week, the Star

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Trek fans that go to McDonald's dressed up as clay masks?

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I don't want them to watch this episode and think this is how DNA

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works. you know?

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No, but I mean, the other thing is, if he's saying that we don't

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inevitably get better, then why is Star Trek the venue for making

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that point?

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Because the whole point of Star Trek is that we can get better

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that we can aspire to something.

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I just I don't get it.

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I believe that they are, in fact, morally enlightened lizards.

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Yeah maybe that's it.

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They're super chill.

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Well that makes sense.

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I just got a couple more quotes.

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I come from Robert Duncan McNeil. just love.

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When I 1st read the script, I couldn't believe they were going to

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shoot it.

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Which is, um, it basically says it all, really, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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After, you know, the dust had settled on threshold and people have

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declared it, the worst bit of Star Trek since Spock's brain.

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It was sort of being spoken, you know, in those sort of terms.

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Jerry Taylor remarks.

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We're taking a lot of flack for that.

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There's been a real lashing out.

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I recognise that people who are on the internet and who write as

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letters are a tiny portion of our audience, but when it is as

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overwhelming as it was in this episode, you begin to take notice.

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Wow.

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I think this is vastly worse than Spock's brain.

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And I think it's worse than shades of gray.

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Shades of Grey is bad for all sorts of reasons, but I think this

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is a less enjoyable 45 minutes of television.

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I've got I've got one last quote, but I've got to save it for the

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end of the episode.

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And once we've watched it, I also want to ask you, is this the

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worst episode that we have watched so far?

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But let's watch it 1st and find out.

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Okay, all right.

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I'm ready?

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Well, I'll count it in then in that case.

328
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Oh my god.

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This is my 2nd time today watching this.

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Can I just say?

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Bless you.

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We'll just say what we always say to each other, at least we're

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enduring it together.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

338
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Oh, we're already off to a bad start. is the worst, Robert.

339
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Yeah, he's the worst Robert.

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So I think that the structure here is not bad.

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So we have a scene to lead us into the credits where we see a test

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fail and we're not kind of given the hint that it's on the

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holodeck, but it turns out that it's on the holodeck.

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And so, um, so we know what we're trying to do just from McNeil's

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dialogue and we get to see the test fail.

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Then we get a very boring scene where they make a breakthrough, a

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really inept piece of TV, which comes in after the opening

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credits.

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And then you get...

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Yeah, then we get the passing test.

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And so I think this economically sets it up.

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It does a reasonable job.

353
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I mean, Brack has been right in Star Trek for some time now.

354
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He can structure an episode.

355
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Yeah.

356
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I don't necessarily mean it's going to be a good episode, but you

357
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know.

358
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The nuts and bolts of it are efficient.

359
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Yeah, and he does great high concept episodes. you know, things

360
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like timescape and stuff, like just weird stuff.

361
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The Anna Troy is the birthday cake. remember that one?

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Fantasms.

363
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Yes, fantastic.

364
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Right.

365
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Yeah, well, he but he writes fabulous forager episodes as well.

366
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Yeah, yeah.

367
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But he is a problem, isn't he?

368
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And we've said that before.

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Well, I always feel like he's a bit like the Chris Carter. of the

370
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Star Trek universe, you know, it's like Miss Muffet.

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When he was good, he was very, very good, and when he was bad, he

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was awful.

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You know, Chris Carter has that problem in the X-Files and Brennan

374
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Brum, that's that problem.

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Is it Braga or Braga?

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It's Braga, I think.

377
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Okay.

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I've been saying it, right?

379
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All this time.

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I there was someone at who I worked with who had the same last

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name.

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The bit where they revealed Voyager in 2 Vics, in the lower decks

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episode, right?

384
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Yeah, great.

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And the camera was swimming, and the music started playing.

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I was like, god that's gorgeous.

387
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Again, it's animation's so good.

388
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It just looks like live action model work.

389
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Yeah, yeah.

390
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It's really good, isn't it?

391
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Yeah, there's a real love for Voyager in that show, even where

392
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they're taking the piss and I love it too.

393
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You know, that's one of the great things about prodigy is how it

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foregrounds Kate and Voyager and puts the medium Robert in it and

395
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all of that.

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I'm there for it.

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The thing that has surprised me most about Voyager doing it for

398
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Untartled Star Trek project is not the big event episodes.

399
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It's not the shitty episodes.

400
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It's the quiet episodes, like resolutions and muse. where that are

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completely forgotten.

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No one remembers them and they're quietly very good.

403
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Yeah.

404
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And I think there's more of that. actually.

405
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We'll discover more of that as we go along.

406
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Yeah.

407
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Well, just remember, I say that the cast is great.

408
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You know, the worst thing that Voyager does is it gets a fantastic

409
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cast and completely wastes them.

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But they can be fantastic.

411
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I thought it's exemplified mostly with Tim Ross of anybody.

412
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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, you know, like Robert Beltran was never going to be

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particularly great.

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No matter what they get.

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No, I mean he can be good when he's bothering.

417
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I mean, so this scene here, I think, is really boring.

418
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There's nearly nothing that isn't technobabble.

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I didn't write any of this bit.

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It just put insert...

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And it tries to be a functional scene by having Neelix come along

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and immediately kind of get dismissed and then he's the one who

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comes up with the idea.

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And that's kind of that's it.

425
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That's that's the scene.

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Everything else is just technobabble.

427
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I don't know if you recall, but in resolutions and muse and this.

428
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So the last 3 vorder episodes we watched.

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Basically, the only scene Neelix had was I'm going to pour you

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some coffee and try and help you with the problem you've got this

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week.

432
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Yeah.

433
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They really waste him.

434
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So why is the woman have to go and get their cookies as well at

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the table?

436
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Like, she's the one.

437
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She's the chief engineer.

438
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She's going off to get the cookies.

439
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And then he solves the problem while she's gone and then she comes

440
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back.

441
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And like I maintain that that Ethan Phillips is great, you know

442
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like, and I think he's great in this in a character that is not

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very interesting or likeable in all sorts of ways. i.e. is in 2

444
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directions.

445
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I think sometimes you can be unexpectedly, like if a quite a

446
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mature performance.

447
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It's really surprising.

448
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And sometimes it's just very juvenile.

449
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The writing is so juvenile.

450
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Yeah, it's just irritating, you know?

451
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Like nobody could play and not be irritating.

452
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But he's got sort of solid sitcom instincts, I reckon.

453
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There's a very good reason.

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We're not talking about any of this dialogue in this stuff.

455
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No, because it's super boring.

456
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And so it does tell us what warp 10 is and therefore what's at

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stake.

458
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And obviously it tells us, you know, if we achieve this, we could

459
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get home with a push of a button.

460
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So we are tying it into the Voyager premise.

461
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
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And but all I can think about is Kazinski and where no one has

463
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gone before.

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And do you remember where they end up in that weird galaxy of

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life?

466
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

467
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Yeah, seeing people do ballet in the cargo bay and weird shit

468
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going on.

469
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Yeah.

470
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But just the beautiful, you know, but this show doesn't bother to

471
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do any of that.

472
00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:12.779
Well, it's centring it all on Paris, isn't it?

473
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Yeah, but so you get a messenger speech from Paris.

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So he comes back and says, I experienced everything everywhere all

475
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at once, but we don't get to see anything like that because we

476
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just stay with the ship because that's cheaper.

477
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I blew all the money on the latex.

478
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That's why.

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I couldn't afford to do that.

480
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I can't believe this is directed by Alexander Singer, you know

481
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because I don't think there's one inventive shot in this.

482
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And he's generally a very reliable director.

483
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We've done a couple by Alex Anderson where we've praised the

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direction.

485
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I think maybe he read the script and went, oh, let's just get it

486
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done.

487
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Yeah, I think that's it.

488
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There's a very sort of definite sense of, for fuck's sake.

489
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That was weird.

490
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You said to sit along with their life.

491
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Exactly the same time.

492
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Tom Paris said that's it at the end.

493
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Yeah.

494
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Yeah.

495
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It's really boring isn't it?

496
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have no idea what they just said.

497
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Now, that's a funny line.

498
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Yeah, yeah, that's pretty great.

499
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Basically, that's exactly what I was feeling.

500
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Yeah And that little bit of business as well, where he walks past

501
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and takes the cookie, you know, and she's sort of standing there

502
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going, what the hell's going on?

503
00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:13.799
Like, that's a little tiny bit of comic business, which is kind of

504
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hard.

505
00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:17.220
Yeah, well, I could do with a bit more of that in forgery, you

506
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know?

507
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Yeah, yeah.

508
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:23.400
Well, just remember when Janeway says goodbye to them all in

509
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.339
resolutions and says the thing I remember most of all is the

510
00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:26.819
laughter.

511
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:29.579
And you kind of think, really, I hate the laughter.

512
00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.680
You're all so unfunny.

513
00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:32.640
I don't know.

514
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.940
We did love that bit of Muse when Harriet B'lana were back

515
00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:36.900
together again, don't we?

516
00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:38.099
They were laughing the res off.

517
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:38.880
Yeah.

518
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.119
Okay, I can't believe this fabulous actress has got a terrible

519
00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:45.599
episode.

520
00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:48.420
She was pulling 16 hour days to shoot this.

521
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.980
Oh my god.

522
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:55.019
There are some really good moments, some shitty weird lines that

523
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:56.460
she absolutely lands.

524
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.279
And I think at the end where they're all a little bit shell

525
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:02.099
shocked by how ludicrously high concept it's been.

526
00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.460
There is like she's she's actually pretty good.

527
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.099
Did you watch Chakotay said that?

528
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.400
To be honest, it's almost frightening that we might break the war

529
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:12.240
10 barrier.

530
00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:14.640
Up until now it's only been a frightening.

531
00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.019
That's a very strange.

532
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.740
It's not as bad as drastic research, I have to say.

533
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.720
They've got a gift for hyperbole.

534
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:26.519
Before district writers, don't they?

535
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.880
But look how exciting Kate is.

536
00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:30.839
Far out, she's great.

537
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:32.339
I could just watch her do anything.

538
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.099
Whenever they lean into her passion for science.

539
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:37.500
Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

540
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.380
And Caitlin... nice up, yeah.

541
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.759
It's wonderful.

542
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.740
I thought you might.

543
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.839
And if, like, fuck, for Christ's sake.

544
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:50.460
Like if he was any good.

545
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:55.200
And if you got that sense, again, it's this wasted opportunity, you

546
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:58.980
know, you've got this relationship between Tuvok and Kate, you've

547
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:02.279
got this relationship between him, he's like someone that she's

548
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:08.039
brought on board and, you know, rescued from prison, all of that

549
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.779
sort of thing, and you just get nothing.

550
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.140
Now this is an actively ugly scene, I think.

551
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:17.579
Because he's such a massive prick in it, you know.

552
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:21.539
It's weird as well, because they're just about to do this.

553
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.099
Tom Paris arc, aren't they?

554
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.440
Where he's supposedly going Rome.

555
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:30.180
And it's all a trick to uncover Michael Jonas, which is quite

556
00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:31.019
clear. done.

557
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.700
Um, But apart from that, they never, ever go back.

558
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.220
You know, you said that about her taking him from the penal colony

559
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:41.339
and caretaker. and that sort of redemption art.

560
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.839
It's just like he took puts on the uniform and laser, upstanding

561
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:47.220
Starfleet officer from that point on.

562
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.319
I mean, they gesture at that here.

563
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:53.039
Like there is some attempt in one of the scenes that like just

564
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.880
that terrible scene where Mutant Paris and Janeway talk.

565
00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:01.079
They talk about, you know, how all of the, you know, high opinion

566
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:04.259
everyone has of him is a lie and blah, blah, blah.

567
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.740
Like, and but just all of that's so whiny and weird and ugly.

568
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:10.559
It just all comes across as ego, though, doesn't it?

569
00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:12.660
Yeah, this, no, that's exactly what it is.

570
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.299
Well, that's why it comes across like that because it's all ego.

571
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.319
This is my flight.

572
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.299
I'm a massive asshole.

573
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.000
It all scoffs, doesn't he?

574
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:21.480
2%?

575
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:22.619
Oh, I'll take my chance.

576
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:23.579
Ah, 2%.

577
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:24.960
Yeah, yeah. off.

578
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.619
My father used to tell me I was...

579
00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:30.599
Oh, God, you're an adult.

580
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:33.059
Who gives a shit what your father thought?

581
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.720
Grow up.

582
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:36.539
My teacher's so boring, kids.

583
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.599
They all used to say Tom Paris is going to do something special

584
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.500
when he grows up.

585
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.960
Oh, so pathetic.

586
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:44.700
It's so bad.

587
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.220
And all of that dialogue.

588
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:53.160
There's like acts 3 and 4 are just that. him whining self

589
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.160
pityingly.

590
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:56.700
It's so unattractive. personal redemption, as you just said to

591
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:56.940
him.

592
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.640
You can trust Jane Way to get to the heart, the matter.

593
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:01.920
Yeah, it's a terrible scene.

594
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.400
You're right.

595
00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:04.619
Are we supposed to like him here?

596
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.359
I think we're supposed to...

597
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:08.160
But he's horrible.

598
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.480
And that's the thing.

599
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:14.880
I think that the Voyager writing stuff think he's likeable. but I

600
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.779
think he's a massive egotist and a prick.

601
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.319
Like, he comes off as just an absolute asshole in this scene.

602
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:26.640
More often than not, as you explore the Tom Bellano relationship

603
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:26.880
yeah.

604
00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:29.880
And I vividly remember this when I watched the series through as a

605
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.059
whole.

606
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.740
It's always about him just putting her to one side and saying, oh

607
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:38.519
my latest thing, you know, the TV, the cartoons, the shuttle, Alice

608
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.640
whatever, and her just going, oh, will you please look at me?

609
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:42.779
throughout the entire...

610
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:44.940
I think at any point they make him likeable.

611
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.220
But this really exemplifies the flaws with this character.

612
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:58.319
And I do think that that redemption thing of, you know, him being

613
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:02.339
a criminal, her taking him along, they really could have lent into

614
00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:04.680
that and made that a really interesting arc.

615
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:05.940
But there is no arc.

616
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.559
No, no.

617
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:10.799
Oh, here we go.

618
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:15.420
So this is the 3rd time we've done this now in the episode.

619
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:15.779
Yeah.

620
00:27:15.779 --> 00:27:19.859
So we've had unsuccessful test, which was quite short, to be fair

621
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:23.160
that we had the successful test, which was on the screen.

622
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.799
So it wasn't, we weren't there directly.

623
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:27.180
We were watching it on the screen.

624
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:28.619
And now we have it here.

625
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:35.339
But again, and one of the things that the, leads them to introduce

626
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:41.700
the Delta Flyer is that that set is boring and flying the ship

627
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:44.640
involves sitting and pressing touchscreen buttons.

628
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:50.339
So you never get a real sense of flying anything and it's, it's

629
00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:50.819
like this.

630
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.559
Like the camera's not shaking.

631
00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:54.720
He's bouncing up and down.

632
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.220
Why is the camera not shaking?

633
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:58.619
I saw going on a bit.

634
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:00.779
Yeah, the lights are going in and off.

635
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.779
Someone's offscreen to flicking the lights on and off, like the

636
00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.500
light switch and like the singer's keeping the camera steady on

637
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:07.680
him.

638
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.339
Why is that?

639
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.180
But one thing that works in this scene is you cut to Michael Jonas

640
00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:15.420
looking evil at his console.

641
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.059
I'm going to contact the caseon about this. and let them know

642
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:18.900
about walked in.

643
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:24.000
That's, that is the, you know, it's the only time Voyager does

644
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.019
this and it's rum.

645
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.299
It's how many sort of running plot lines going on.

646
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:32.220
And it certainly doesn't redeem threshold, but it's a, it's an

647
00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:35.640
enticing moment, shall we say, of about 5 seconds.

648
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:41.640
But so we, we stay with the crew because they're all in standing

649
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.119
sets and they're all just standing around talking and so that's

650
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.420
cheap to shoot. you know, and then he comes back.

651
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.559
We don't stay with him and we just let him tell us how marvellous

652
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.839
it is and we don't get to see it.

653
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.099
Like, look, oh, look, see, that is as weird as we get.

654
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.599
It appears in a slightly weird way in the in the, you know, the

655
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.980
shot, the model shot.

656
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.160
Did they not mention?

657
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:10.440
I swear there was a mention of stellar cartography in this.

658
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, there was.

659
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.059
And we don't actually get to see it until series 5 when they've

660
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.500
got the budget to make the set, you know?

661
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.440
Yeah, but that's not that's Astramatrics, remember?

662
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.940
Oh, yeah, photography.

663
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.039
Do we ever see Stella cartography then?

664
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.779
In Star Trek, the Next Generation.

665
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.920
It's the big giant set in generation. generations.

666
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.059
Yeah.

667
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:31.559
So there's one of those on this ship.

668
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:32.279
We just never see it.

669
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.420
See, I love this.

670
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.619
I actually really love that, where...

671
00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:40.380
Wake up, Latana, wake him up, and he just shouts to wake up, we

672
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:43.259
turn it, and then Janeway's reaction is really great, and the

673
00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:44.279
doctor is really great.

674
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.880
Like, that's dumb, but that's more enjoyable than just about

675
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.619
anything else that happens in this episode.

676
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.519
Picardo is basically the one person who's trying to put their

677
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:54.660
comedy into this, isn't he?

678
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.500
He has a couple of lines.

679
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.000
I think he has a really good moment as well, and I don't know if

680
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.160
it was his choice or not, but I thought it was really great.

681
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.559
But yes, I think he is pretty good.

682
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.980
But again, they make him boring in this because he's just talking

683
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:12.119
about, you know, cell membranes and blah, blah, blah, you know

684
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:13.259
it's all just grab.

685
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.799
I meant to tell you, I do think there is a single worst piece of

686
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.720
direction ever in Star Trek in there.

687
00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:22.140
Oh, certainly, so far on this run, I can't wait to get to that

688
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:22.559
point.

689
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:23.220
Oh, okay.

690
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:23.819
Excellent.

691
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:29.880
It's so fucking limp. it's untrue I was everywhere, captain, and I

692
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.200
mean...

693
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.460
Everywhere, show.

694
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.259
It's not a radio play.

695
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.940
Go on, show us.

696
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.099
Far out.

697
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.660
No, I don't think one of this episode has going for it.

698
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.279
It wouldn't have cost a fortune.

699
00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:44.880
No, no, no.

700
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:49.140
I know, just like what they do with Cisco in that white set or

701
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:49.799
something like that.

702
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:51.539
Anything. anything.

703
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.079
Yeah.

704
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:52.980
Yeah.

705
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:59.460
Yeah, because Instead, it ends up being boring and ugly.

706
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:00.839
Yeah?

707
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.259
And this whole thing, sorry, I know you were going to say it don't

708
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:07.019
really matter, but this whole thing about being everywhere, all at

709
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:07.259
once.

710
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.180
Well, I, that seems to make sense to me because, like, if it's a

711
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:12.599
limit.

712
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:13.440
Do you know what I mean?

713
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.960
part of the problem is that it's the round number 10.

714
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:16.920
Do you know what I mean?

715
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.400
And they've also done sort of fun references to Warp 13 and stuff

716
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:20.940
in the future.

717
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.799
Like, I think all good things, you know, the, um, you know, Beverly

718
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.519
ship travels, the pasta travels at Warp 13 because of that, the

719
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:29.759
future.

720
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:32.039
But the idea that 10 is the limit.

721
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:35.819
Like a real limit, the way that the speed of light is a limit.

722
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.980
What's the nature about that as well?

723
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.700
wasn't force of nature about breaking the warp 10 barrier.

724
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.900
No, no, it's about the way that subspace is being degraded by

725
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:48.000
travelling through it.

726
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:53.099
And they've got a limit of warp 5 at the end of that, yeah. at the

727
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:53.700
beginning of this.

728
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.819
Yeah, yeah, just a few episodes. just forgot about it.

729
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.859
I, there was a, I think there was a good Picardo line as well, but

730
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:04.619
I hope we missed it, and I can't remember what it was, but there

731
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.819
was another one in that scene.

732
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.599
I cannot believe how boring this is to look at.

733
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.440
There's just no inventiveness in the shooting of this.

734
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.980
No, they're all just standing around talking techno babble like

735
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:19.619
that. lots of shots of planets and stuff.

736
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.660
How much?

737
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:22.740
You know what they could have done?

738
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.339
They could have just to suggest, you know, he's everywhere at

739
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:26.700
once.

740
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.420
Just cut to very quick shots of old episodes on different planets

741
00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:34.319
and some news reports of the past and things like that, you know

742
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:35.880
just very quickly for like 30 seconds.

743
00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:41.039
Yeah, anything, just weird space looking, you know, swirly things

744
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.000
would have done it.

745
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.380
Nathan, it could change the very nature of our existence.

746
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.339
Look at her.

747
00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:51.180
There would be nothing beyond our reach.

748
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.440
And look at her little bit of data and stuff.

749
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:56.039
She's so good.

750
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.980
She's a bit of a god complex now, isn't she?

751
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.579
Yeah.

752
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.680
But I mean, that is the interesting thing about it.

753
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:03.960
And if it was going to be about that, that would have been

754
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:05.519
interesting, but obviously it's not.

755
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:09.539
It's going to be about him whining self-pityingly in Sick Bay for

756
00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:10.380
ages and ages.

757
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:13.859
I don't think there's any great surprise that Neelix's coffee has

758
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:17.160
a detrimental effect on Tom Paris's health.

759
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:18.420
Yeah, he's allergic to the water.

760
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.200
Yeah.

761
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.960
See, B'lana likes Neelix.

762
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:22.980
I love B'lana.

763
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:23.819
She's so great.

764
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.200
Look at that.

765
00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:27.539
Why did they forget about her for 3 seasons?

766
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.440
I know.

767
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:29.400
It's crazy, isn't it?

768
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.119
She's so good.

769
00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:31.259
She's so good.

770
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.880
You know, right?

771
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:35.279
Just very quickly back to 2 weeks again.

772
00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.519
The ending with all that cheese coming out of all the consoles.

773
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.460
I mean, it's another shit episode.

774
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.339
They're making fun.

776
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:46.619
It was very funny. much funnier than this.

777
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.019
Oh my god, this is not funny.

778
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.940
This is not fun.

779
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.200
Oh, this Tetla babble.

780
00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.480
Like, like, the techno babble was bad enough for me.

781
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:57.180
Then you get the daddy issue stuff and I'm like, please, can we go

782
00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:58.319
back to the techno babble.

783
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:01.440
Then we get the then we get him turning into a lizard and puke out

784
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.299
his tongue and I'm like, please, can we go back to the daddy

785
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:03.720
issues?

786
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.619
Well, at least at least when it's a lizard is not delivering

787
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:08.519
dialogue, though.

788
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.380
Like, that's there's that, you know?

789
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:12.719
Do you think that?

790
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.760
Do I think he's a good actor then?

791
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:17.639
I don't know. given him a lot to do.

792
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:19.019
Yeah, yeah.

793
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.139
Well, they must think he's a good actor. cast him.

794
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.980
I think because the 1st duty went down so well.

795
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:26.280
Yeah.

796
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:28.019
It has a lot to ask for.

797
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:31.860
He does a great scene in the 1st year.

798
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.760
I no, no, no.

799
00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:33.719
He is pretty good in that one.

800
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:35.579
So what happened?

801
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.900
I don't know.

802
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.280
It might be the writing.

803
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:41.400
I think the 1st duty is an extraordinarily well-written episode of

804
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.880
Star Trek.

805
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:43.260
Ramore, isn't it?

806
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:43.980
Yeah.

807
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.820
Well, one thing that Voyager didn't have only for one episode at

808
00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:48.059
least.

809
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:48.480
Yeah.

810
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.199
Yeah.

811
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.659
Yeah, it was just very well written.

812
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.139
And so Nick Lacano's character was really super, like

813
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.099
charismatic.

814
00:34:56.099 --> 00:35:01.320
And, you know, Duncan, like, the worst Robert was able to kind of

815
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:02.280
make that happen.

816
00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.900
Well, like, is this stuff being made, you know, it's also being

817
00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:07.500
factory made?

818
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.820
26 episodes a year.

819
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:09.840
They're churning it out.

820
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.639
To a point where, you know, somebody, a good writer like Brana

821
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.119
Braga gets a synopsis like this with that he's got to turn into a

822
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.119
teleplay where he can't just go, look, let's not make this.

823
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.760
I'll I'll think something up.

824
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:25.199
I'm not going to write this.

825
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:29.639
But we don't have time to do that and he can't necessarily come

826
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:30.000
up.

827
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.699
You know, you see him once he's run out of ideas.

828
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:37.559
You're like, well, this, like this acting that we're getting from

829
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.059
Robert here.

830
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:40.260
Can I do it?

831
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:42.059
Because I always do it when he does it.

832
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.159
He just goes, no.

833
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.019
You can't say no.

834
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:55.800
It's so bad. and look, he's just more and more technobabble.

835
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:59.760
It's so boring. processing oxygen. can only hope.

836
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.139
Oh, yeah.

837
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.500
Oh yeah.

838
00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:07.440
Oh, these isolation feels...

839
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.219
Do you know what, right?

840
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.019
I told you last week.

841
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:12.840
One side of this, you've got alliances.

842
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.300
The other side of this, you've got meld and death wish.

843
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.820
Like there's 3 of the best episodes of Voyager.

844
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.260
How is this nestled in the middle?

845
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.719
I know, and we like series two.

846
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:24.599
I mean, that's the thing we like series 2 of Voyager on the...

847
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:28.199
I do think the 1st half of 2 really struggles and I'm wondering if

848
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:29.460
this is pitched around that time.

849
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.420
Right.

850
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:34.079
You know, to the point where the production team did say, we've

851
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.960
got to pull up our socks and do something more excited than this.

852
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:37.800
Right, right.

853
00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:42.480
I mean, this is the cardinal scene of it, isn't it?

854
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:43.199
It's boring.

855
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.280
So he's dying.

856
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:47.159
Do we go to an ad break with him dying and then he just gets

857
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:47.699
better?

858
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.300
Like, like, because nothing is happening at the moment, except

859
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:52.800
they're all standing around talking.

860
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:57.539
We have to invent a reason to go to the ad break that is just made

861
00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:57.900
up.

862
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.500
Well, I think they're underestimating their audience if they think

863
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.380
we're going to get any suspense in the idea of Tom Paris dying.

864
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:05.880
Yeah, that's true.

865
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:06.599
That's true.

866
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.119
That would be a course of celebration.

867
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:10.440
Oh, poor Jennifer Lee.

868
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:11.280
Oh, look at him.

869
00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:12.059
He looks ghastly.

870
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.559
Yeah, it does.

871
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.119
We've barely begun.

872
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:16.739
Yeah, I know.

873
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.539
I actually really like, so there's a thing that where he says kiss

874
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:21.960
me.

875
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:24.719
Like he does this sort of thing imagining his funeral and how

876
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.260
they'll be all beautiful women there crying and just think, fuck

877
00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:29.820
dream on.

878
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.980
A latex factor for this.

879
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.239
Like, it's like, it's gross.

880
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:40.860
But he says kiss me and the doctor goes, I can't remember.

881
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.239
It's kind of like, I don't know.

882
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.219
I don't feel that way about you.

883
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.400
He doesn't say that, but he does say, he does kind of rebuff it.

884
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:50.159
And then when he dies, she goes over and kisses him on the cheek

885
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.840
and like I thought that was nice.

886
00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:53.460
Looking like that.

887
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.460
I know, but that was actually what was kind of nice about it.

888
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.079
She's just sweet, you know?

889
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.480
Well, you've got to remember, in the 1st half of the season, we've

890
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.980
had this whole Neelix, Tom Paris, Kez triangle going on to the

891
00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:05.159
point.

892
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:07.619
Do you remember where they were throwing spaghetti dinners at each

893
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:11.579
other and then going down on the planet and birthing Muppet babies

894
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:12.119
or something?

895
00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.139
Oh my god.

896
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:15.000
Is that parturition?

897
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.559
Yeah, terrible.

898
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.880
You got to remember the puppet babies in this.

899
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.480
Twisted is Twisted is in the 1st half series 2 as well.

900
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:26.280
I mean, there was some tricky times.

901
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.079
Yeah, for sure.

902
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:30.599
This was however, the trickiest of times.

903
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:33.480
This is so boring.

904
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:36.900
Like, this is him talking about his childhood bedroom and how he

905
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:40.500
would go then to masturbate and read comics and like, oh, yeah.

906
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:46.440
Picardo's reaction to hearing about him losing his virginity and

907
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.360
he does this. note that in your medical file.

908
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:51.599
And you know, like, that's not a super funny line, but he's

909
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.139
great.

910
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.900
That, you know, he can make that stuff work.

911
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.579
And this.

912
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.880
Oh god, pepperoni, fuck off.

913
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.820
This is so boring and bad.

914
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.599
But I think it's appeared into a certain type of Americanness

915
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.139
isn't it?

916
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.519
Pepperoni pizza, losing your virginity, having a truck, you know

917
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.179
all that sort of stuff.

918
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.599
I think this pepperoni pizza and losing my virginity.

919
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.280
That's those are both good things.

920
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.599
I'm not American.

921
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:21.960
Like, I don't understand what's, but like, I just don't want to

922
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.679
hear the worst, Robert, banging on and on about it for whole

923
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.039
scenes.

924
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:29.519
I didn't want to say the word jock, but I think like that's the

925
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:29.760
idea.

926
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.219
I think that's the idea.

927
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.199
Yeah, but he's not because he's made by Robert Duncan McNeil.

928
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:40.860
If it was beefy, you know, it might work.

929
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.699
Until my dad that I did it.

931
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.659
He said...

932
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.920
Oh, far out.

933
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:48.000
It's so bad.

934
00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:51.900
Just die. come on And do you remember?

935
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.239
Drew, actually, do you remember when you finally sees his dad?

936
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:56.159
Yeah, exactly.

937
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.440
It's that inoffensive old Admiral.

938
00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:59.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.860
But it's a lovely moment. really touching.

940
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:07.800
But there's no hint of the the the tension that they're going for

941
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:08.099
yeah.

942
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.920
Like, it's just the most generic thing imaginable.

943
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.820
Do you know what I mean?

944
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:13.019
He disappointed his father.

945
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.480
Like, that is so dull.

946
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.099
Who cares, you know?

947
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:21.480
No, so we're not going to revive him.

948
00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:22.139
Thank God.

949
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.019
Nathan his cell membranes have degraded.

950
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.340
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:30.780
It's like when, yeah, that's bad, because they keep your, the

952
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:31.320
stuff in the sound.

953
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:36.539
Remove the acid chloride gas from the, oh, fuck, this dialogue.

954
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:37.079
All of it.

955
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.880
It's so boring.

956
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:39.780
It's so boring.

957
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:46.679
And this, here's the bit that I like that I, that Picardo does

958
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.980
which I think is really good, because he's doing a good job.

959
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.760
Look at this.

960
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.440
He goes to put his hand on her.

961
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.860
Shoulder and then decides not to.

962
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.179
And it's kind of like all, you know, there's that he, you know

963
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:05.699
when he shouts in, in um, Paris's ear to wake him up and Janeway

964
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:06.119
reacts.

965
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:07.320
It's kind of like, yeah, that's right.

966
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.380
He's a bit of an asshole, but he's just a computer program.

967
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.980
You know, there is that problem about the doctors, bedside manner

968
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:16.380
and that was just a little moment of humanity, which I thought was

969
00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:16.920
really good.

970
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:20.039
Like, I hope it was in the script, but if it wasn't, it was a

971
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.699
great, you know, that was Picardo doing a really good thing.

972
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.800
And I think she's...

973
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:30.239
The benefit of having an ensemble cast that we're in week in, week

974
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.980
out because we did another episode recently.

975
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.679
I can't remember which one it was, where it was pretty dreamable.

976
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:38.280
We cut to Janeway, getting news that we're never going to see

977
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.780
Harry Kim again or something like that.

978
00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:42.900
And it was a really lovely moment where she sort of looks off

979
00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:46.320
screen, sort of loggingly that she'll never see it again.

980
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.179
Well, that was in news, remember?

981
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:49.380
We're coming up to it now.

982
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:49.800
Okay.

983
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:51.300
I think it's this thing.

984
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.260
No, it's not quite yet.

985
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.639
No, sorry, not going to shut up.

986
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.260
This is where Tom Paris is dead alive, isn't it?

987
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.940
Yeah, yeah.

988
00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:03.179
Which, uh, why?

989
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.000
Why did his body die and then come to life again?

990
00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:09.300
Because we needed some jeopardy.

991
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.619
We needed something to happen.

992
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.719
These scenes couldn't just be people talking.

993
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.679
I thought it was a relief that the episode was over when he died.

994
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.019
Yeah, no, look, he's still alive.

995
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.480
Oh my god.

996
00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:27.059
And so what happened to his he pulls his hair out?

997
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.960
Oh, this is where it just all starts to get icky and horrid.

998
00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:33.360
Yeah, so we're doing the fly.

999
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.860
That's been neatly cut off.

1000
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.000
We can see that.

1001
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:37.559
Like what's happening there?

1002
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.000
He hasn't pulled any hair out.

1003
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:40.380
That's neatly cut off someone.

1004
00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:44.099
And he just doesn't have the chops to do any of this.

1005
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.340
No, and so the fly is when.

1006
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.780
Is it the 80s?

1007
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:53.400
It's like Gina Davis and Jeff Goldblum, and it's directed by Star

1008
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.699
Trek's very own David Cronenberg.

1009
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.940
Unforgettably grotesque, isn't it?

1010
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.139
Yeah, fantastic.

1011
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.659
This is a sort of PG version of this.

1012
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.480
Where we do it for a scene.

1013
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.159
And it we just keep cutting to him in various stages, don't we?

1014
00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:13.019
So there's no transformation at any point.

1015
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:16.019
No, we don't get to see anything like that.

1016
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:18.059
We're in a sinister way.

1017
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.380
The weird thing is right.

1018
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.199
Every time we cut to him, I swear they did all of these shots in a

1019
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:23.579
day for all the episodes.

1020
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:27.480
Because it's always this angle with the pad, just there in front

1021
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:27.840
of the camera.

1022
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:31.440
And it's always the same case on...

1023
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.099
It's the same case on who we who was in alliances, I think, we saw

1024
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.880
him in alliances.

1025
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.639
Imagine if we just had Cesca pop up here for us.

1026
00:43:38.699 --> 00:43:39.659
Hello, Jonas.

1027
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:43.800
She would have, she would have let up this episode.

1028
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.340
I do like that though, that this is a running thing.

1029
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.300
Let's do that.

1030
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:48.900
Yeah, it's great.

1031
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.699
But this is the pillar effect.

1032
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.840
Yeah.

1033
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.340
Yes.

1034
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:00.480
So here we have a scene which I'm embarrassed, you know, that Kate

1035
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.280
had to participate in.

1036
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:06.840
Like, I just feel I'm cringing the entire time that Kate Mulgrew

1037
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:07.619
is having to do this.

1038
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.940
In a way, like I should be cringing that Robert Picardo is having

1039
00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:12.719
to do it as well.

1040
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:18.059
Um, and he's doing a great job of, you know, selling this crap.

1041
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.199
Um, but Janeway, like how do you even react to this?

1042
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:26.519
And, you know, again, we get a messenger speech from the doctor

1043
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.599
where he just says he's behaving oddly, you know, he's deranged at

1044
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:30.960
times.

1045
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:34.260
He knows who we are, but, you know, sometimes he says very odd

1046
00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:37.139
things and he warns her and all of that.

1047
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.760
That's what's happening here And then it's just self-pitying

1048
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.619
moaning that he's doing for ages and ages, which is just just

1049
00:44:46.619 --> 00:44:50.880
unpleasant to watch, and she's having to find a way to react to

1050
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.059
it.

1051
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:56.159
I don't know if you remember in Mailed, which is the next episode

1052
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.460
I think.

1053
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.079
We're doing exactly the same thing.

1054
00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:02.039
We turned deranged in that one, but there's a sequence in his

1055
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.579
quarters where he's in the silhouette and Janeway is too scared to

1056
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:09.480
come in because he's been shown to be violent and there's an

1057
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.800
intensity to it and Russ plays it in a formidable way.

1058
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:16.679
And it's just electrifying to watch.

1059
00:45:16.739 --> 00:45:18.900
It's the antithesis of this, you know?

1060
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

1061
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:24.000
Like, it's awful, like, it's really bright lighting as well.

1062
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:25.800
Well, so you look...

1063
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.360
Oh, it's just awful.

1064
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.940
I think we really win an award for that.

1065
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.860
Yeah, it's just so bad.

1066
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:36.840
And, and doesn't, um, she says you've looked better, which I think

1067
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.659
is a well-delivered line, and look at her looking concern.

1068
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.659
But I mean, all of this moaning and character stuff, like it's so

1069
00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:48.300
bad. don't want to look at him right now.

1070
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:54.059
No, it's, So there's something inflating the latex bag that his

1071
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:54.659
head's in.

1072
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:55.980
Do you know what I mean?

1073
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.340
They're blowing air into it in order to make a...

1074
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:01.079
I'm going to make a bit of an obscure reference.

1075
00:46:01.139 --> 00:46:06.780
But revelation of the Daleks, a 1980s Doctor Who story, did a

1076
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:10.440
mutant with a pulsating head covered in organs, which was

1077
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.719
genuinely grotesque and looked miles better than this on one 10th

1078
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.380
of the budget.

1079
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.760
Oh, the budget, Eve that.

1080
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:21.659
They've just slapped more and more...

1081
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.340
It's really unimaginative.

1082
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:29.880
It is trying to look a bit like Brundlefly, I guess, but this, fuck

1083
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.780
shut up.

1084
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.039
Like, it, like, doesn't he have some kind of hypo spray that can

1085
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.500
make him lie down and stop saying this dialogue?

1086
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.300
Because this is unpleasant.

1087
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:40.679
He's doing his sort of...

1088
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:41.820
Why can't you just say it?

1089
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.500
Nobody loves me.

1090
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.360
I need to transform me.

1091
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:47.940
Barry, you dead, captain, you know.

1092
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:50.039
It's ugly.

1093
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.719
It's better than in a minute when he's lying on the chair and he's

1094
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.420
like, he's kind of doing his all of his dialogue like that.

1095
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.000
Like, why don't you feel sorry for me?

1096
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:02.760
Very old.

1097
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:04.380
Yeah, it's awful.

1098
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.719
Look at her trying.

1099
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:09.000
Look at her trying to make it work.

1100
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.739
Proof conclusive that sometimes even K mole grew.

1101
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.780
No, no, because this is shit.

1102
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.940
Oh, yeah.

1103
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:18.840
Fuck off.

1104
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.719
Like, can we flood the thing with something else?

1105
00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:26.039
They do that exact moment in meld, right?

1106
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:30.719
Where the force builds up and Tuvoxgone Evil, and he lashes out of

1107
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.420
the force field at Janeway.

1108
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:34.920
It's amazing.

1109
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:37.380
It's like he stabbed a knife at her or something.

1110
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.940
It's really what that is just shit.

1111
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:40.500
I'm sorry Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.760
Oh, he's the tongue thing.

1113
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.159
Jesus Christ. thought this was a good idea.

1114
00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:49.500
I mean, this really is the flaw on a budget this.

1115
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.179
We're just going to be bobbing out his tongue.

1116
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:57.059
Yeah, yeah, but it's so they're looking for Jennifer having to

1117
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.139
react to that as well.

1118
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.079
Maybe this was the scene that he was talking about when he was

1119
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.340
like, I can't believe they're going to shoot this.

1120
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.539
They're going to shoot that.

1121
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.920
It's so bad.

1122
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:09.539
Is that the worst of the episode?

1123
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.579
I think it might be Yeah.

1124
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:12.119
Oh, yeah.

1125
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:15.420
It's the self-pity and the just the sheer boringness of it.

1126
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.280
It lifts a bit when the, the, you know, their salamander is

1127
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.739
fucking on an unconvincing alien planet.

1128
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.480
That's actually quite good by comparison.

1129
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:27.239
Oh, is all anyone remembers?

1130
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:31.079
This, like, oh, fucking shut him up.

1131
00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:34.679
Like, and now he's sitting on the ground in his pyjamas.

1132
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:40.019
He doesn't, like, you know, he's coughed up his tongue, but

1133
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:43.440
somehow he's managing to out of consonants that require it.

1134
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:45.119
Like, it's really boring.

1135
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.699
And he's sort of going blue.

1136
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:49.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1137
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.400
Like what's that?

1138
00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:51.960
What is that?

1139
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:56.460
It's so awful If someone, a non-trek person walked into the room

1140
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:59.159
and I was watching this, oh, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:01.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1142
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.559
I'll be like, yes, it's sophisticated science fiction.

1143
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.820
Intelligence themes.

1144
00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:07.380
That's exactly it.

1145
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:10.139
Oh, yuck.

1146
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.900
Oh, he looks grim, doesn't he?

1147
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.900
Mind you, you know when he sort of, it all goes a bit shiny in his

1148
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:16.139
face.

1149
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.539
And he's got that weird sort of beaky mouth.

1150
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:21.719
No, he pretty much looks like this in series 7, I think.

1151
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:30.960
They've ironed it all out in lower deck when they bring it back.

1152
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.579
The chores of animation.

1153
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.780
Like, what, what, what, what do we think the appeal of this here?

1154
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:40.920
Do you know what I mean?

1155
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:44.159
If we like Tom Paris as a character, this is unpleasant to watch.

1156
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:47.820
We all know that it's not going to go anywhere, so why are they

1157
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:48.900
making us watch this?

1158
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:50.579
Like, what is it?

1159
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.559
And it goes on for fucking ever.

1160
00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:55.260
It's indefensible.

1161
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:56.099
It's so bad.

1162
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.659
Oh, here's some techno babble. which is quite nice. makes a change

1163
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:01.260
of bass.

1164
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.440
No, that's not a better thing. sadly, it is a better thing.

1165
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:09.539
For once, I look great.

1166
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:11.699
Yeah, you're right.

1167
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.199
Who is this supposed to appeal to?

1168
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:15.780
Yeah, like, what are those scenes for?

1169
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.639
They're not character stuff.

1170
00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:18.840
They're not entertaining.

1171
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:22.679
They're, like, the wine is so basic.

1172
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.760
No, the reset's gonna be...

1173
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:30.059
I mean, even I, when I 1st watched this, didn't realise that they

1174
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.760
were going to go quite this far to where the climax of this story

1175
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:33.239
goes.

1176
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.920
Because I remember I remember watching it going, well, how the

1178
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.179
hell are they going to reset this?

1179
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.500
Yeah, it's just like, the doctor has repaired it with his usual

1180
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:43.800
skill.

1181
00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:45.480
Okay, exactly right.

1182
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1183
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.320
Yeah, but at least in Genesis, they make a joke out of that.

1184
00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:51.179
Like I said before, that's funny.

1185
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.320
Oh my god.

1186
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:53.579
Like, what's this?

1187
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.320
Yeah, like that's... what?

1188
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.260
I was going to say something really horrible then.

1189
00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:04.440
It's awful.

1190
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.820
Where does it go on the Bo Mars scale?

1191
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.940
I once looked in my toilet once and I saw something that looked

1192
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:09.780
very like that, you know.

1193
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.699
Yeah, no, it's unpleasant.

1194
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.079
On the bow mask scale.

1195
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:14.219
Oh no, it doesn't work.

1196
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.199
You think it's crossing the threshold, the Boba threshold?

1197
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:20.519
too disgusting.

1198
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.719
Oh, look at her.

1199
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.119
Oh, this is about our first techna babble.

1200
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1201
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:31.739
But him breathing through that latex mask and opening and closing

1202
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:32.460
his mouth and stuff.

1203
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:33.659
Oh, this is it.

1204
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:34.920
This is the moment of direction.

1205
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:35.699
Okay, so watch.

1206
00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:40.800
And his escape is all done on a screen and all you see is the

1207
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.099
engineering set and these 2 themes of the phaser.

1208
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.599
I actually quite like that.

1209
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:47.400
It's so terrible.

1210
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:49.739
It's the lady, I feel like, look at it.

1211
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.539
I don't have to look at Robert.

1212
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.599
Like, it's kind of fun because it all happens.

1213
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:56.099
The camera's just there.

1214
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.159
We can't, we know that something's happening, but we can't see

1215
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.280
it.

1216
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:01.800
Everyone runs on beams.

1217
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.340
Everyone's sort of right and it's like...

1218
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.380
Oh, it's so cheap.

1219
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.260
He's really cheap, isn't it?

1220
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.480
We can't be bothered doing that scene at all.

1221
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.800
There was a there was a Doctor Who story was where they managed to

1222
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.800
do a revolution by just having 2 laser sound effects in the

1223
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.139
distance and they went, oh, listen, that's the revolution.

1224
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.659
That's the Voyager, equivalent of that.

1225
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.699
Yeah, so cheap.

1226
00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:28.920
Oh, God.

1227
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:32.820
And so he just shot our thing and now everything's not working

1228
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:37.079
properly so he can escape and take Kate with him.

1229
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:39.360
Power failures.

1230
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:40.320
We can't track him.

1231
00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:42.599
No sensors. are so boring.

1232
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:45.719
So we're doing the back of Kate's neck, which means that we know

1233
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:48.719
that she's going to be attacked and she senses it, which I think

1234
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:49.260
is pretty great.

1235
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:53.579
Like that's, and then this. was knock her to the floor, though.

1236
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:55.199
I don't think she could hear her head.

1237
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.420
No, that's bullshit.

1238
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.000
It's cold, but you, for God's sakes.

1239
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:01.139
Yeah.

1240
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:06.659
It annoys me that people on Star Trek who are writing Star Trek

1241
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:10.500
don't know that localised means confined to a small area and not

1242
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:12.119
locate.

1243
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:15.360
It's not just a fancy word for locate.

1244
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:16.320
Localise it.

1245
00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:17.820
Just crazy.

1246
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.159
I don't think that's the biggest problem with the dog.

1247
00:53:20.219 --> 00:53:21.119
No, it probably is.

1248
00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:21.659
I'm honest.

1249
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.099
Yeah, no that's fair.

1250
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:24.780
It is, it is.

1251
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.380
Yeah, terrible, but Oh, here we go.

1252
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.360
That looks stupid.

1253
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:35.940
Oh my god.

1254
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.219
He does look like a massive turd.

1255
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:40.679
So ridiculous.

1256
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.480
A massive turn with a mouth.

1257
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:43.980
Yeah, yeah.

1258
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:44.940
Okay.

1259
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.659
All right.

1260
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.519
Go into hyperspace, like whatever.

1261
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:48.420
Transform.

1262
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.699
Yeah, but even then we only see the transition.

1263
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.059
We don't see what they see No, I'll show you.

1264
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.780
This is the this is the weird effect that they think conveys it.

1265
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.179
You look, we're about to be in the shuttle.

1266
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.099
Basically, fade to why?

1267
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.079
Yeah, it's so boring.

1268
00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:08.099
It's so boring Well, there's sort of a bit of a swirly pattern on

1269
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:09.360
Bulgrew's face, I think.

1270
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:14.940
Eight years ago, we do a better job in Star Trek series one, which

1271
00:54:14.940 --> 00:54:19.199
is universally panned for being dreadful, but at least it still

1272
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.960
knows that it's got to try and look interesting.

1273
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.139
Oh no, he goes, quick, no, structural failure in 45 seconds. that

1274
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:29.219
means they can't keep up with them.

1275
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:34.500
No, because they can't go at warp thing, warp above warp 9 point

1276
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:34.920
something.

1277
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:39.119
And I know, I know you're saying like the lizard stuff is kind of

1278
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.719
fun in a really, really stupid way.

1279
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:43.679
It's dumb.

1280
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:45.599
But it's like, that's it.

1281
00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:47.219
That's as weird as we can manage.

1282
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.179
Like that's that's supposed to make us, we're supposed to be happy

1283
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:51.539
with that.

1284
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.440
Somebody must have looked at that synopsis. this part of the

1285
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.840
episode and gone, why are we doing this?

1286
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.039
Yeah.

1287
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.840
Like, this has lost all reason and good taste.

1288
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1289
00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:09.599
But it just manages to be in no way entertaining at all.

1290
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:14.219
Like, no one read that script and thought, this is really boring.

1291
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.320
And why is he saying boring?

1292
00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.539
Like, why is he telling us about his childhood bedroom?

1293
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.639
Like, why are we hearing this?

1294
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.940
And then this speech.

1295
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.539
So we're sort of getting this talk about evolution.

1296
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.360
We're going to learn something about evolution from this.

1297
00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:31.920
Just terrible.

1298
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.099
I have said that a lot.

1299
00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:37.739
It's terrible.

1300
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:38.760
No, I know.

1301
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:43.920
Yeah. accelerated the natural human evolutionary process by

1302
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:44.880
1000000s of years.

1303
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.440
Like that makes no sense.

1304
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:51.599
After something, in all DNA, know, what environmental changes are

1305
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:52.079
going to happen.

1306
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.460
You're going to possibly know that.

1307
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.059
That's right.

1308
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:55.440
And we know that.

1309
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.760
I mean that's okay.

1310
00:55:56.820 --> 00:56:01.559
And, you know, like we, the only reason we have Genesis is because

1311
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:06.059
some ludicrous DNA nonsense happens and that's all fine, but that

1312
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:08.219
happens in an episode that has something going for it.

1313
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:10.679
But it doesn't even need to be that.

1314
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:14.760
It could just be, oh, this happens to be the mutation that happens

1315
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.800
when you go to warp 10, you know?

1316
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:17.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1317
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.780
Just reputations in DNA, but what they think is that if you change

1318
00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:25.380
your DNA, you change your body, that doesn't happen. we go.

1319
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.099
These are the most infamous scenes in Voyager now, the lizards.

1320
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:29.940
You're right.

1321
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:31.619
I thought they were toysed.

1322
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:32.579
They're massive.

1323
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. people in them.

1324
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.159
No, no, no, please don't tell me there's an actor in there.

1325
00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:39.599
I hope there is.

1326
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:41.219
Are they big?

1327
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:42.719
Surely they're big puppets.

1328
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:44.460
Okay, maybe they're big puppets.

1329
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.320
Are they big puppets with people?

1330
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:48.780
When they shoot them, they sort of wobble about.

1331
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:51.539
They go, and they just sort of fall to the ground.

1332
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:53.940
The babies are adorable.

1333
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.440
Yeah, they're cool.

1334
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:58.500
Oh, one of the babies because they're... the sort of CGI for the

1335
00:56:58.500 --> 00:56:58.679
time.

1336
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:00.059
I thought that's not terrible.

1337
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:00.840
There's people in them.

1338
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:01.500
I think there's people.

1339
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.940
Look, look, he's walking on his hands.

1340
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.320
He's adorable.

1341
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.440
What did you do today, darling?

1342
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:10.139
I made your dinner.

1343
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:11.039
Tell me about your day.

1344
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:12.780
How was work on the boys to say?

1345
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:13.440
fun.

1346
00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:14.219
This is fun.

1347
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.659
Again, super boring.

1348
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.239
The most low effort alien planet we've ever seen.

1349
00:57:18.300 --> 00:57:23.519
We've got raided the production officer from some ferns and we put

1350
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:24.719
some sand on the ground.

1351
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.659
It's stock jungle set one.

1352
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:29.940
It's so boring.

1353
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:33.059
Which one is it?

1354
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:34.500
The female, of course.

1355
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:35.699
That's a funny line.

1356
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:36.599
That is a funny line.

1357
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.039
That's so adorable.

1358
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.239
There they go.

1359
00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:41.579
They've had a bit of practice with that episode.

1360
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:42.599
Oh, there's CG babies.

1361
00:57:42.659 --> 00:57:43.079
There you go.

1362
00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:43.619
There you go.

1363
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:44.699
Yeah, I know though.

1364
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.219
So I think they look fun. was pretty good.

1365
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.440
I like his line.

1366
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:52.440
I don't know how I'm going to enter this into the log and then he

1367
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.000
says, I look forward to reading it.

1368
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:55.260
That's pretty great.

1369
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.139
The chewbot line where he goes, which one's the captain?

1370
00:57:58.199 --> 00:57:59.460
Well, the female. of course.

1371
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.199
That's quite funny.

1372
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.380
Oh, my God. dear.

1373
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.199
I don't think I've ever seen anything quite as stupid as that

1374
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:08.760
though, on any other show.

1375
00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:14.280
Look at Kate. giving side eye to Tom who's clearly off camera.

1376
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.780
I'm the direction.

1377
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.139
Kate, we want you to, the beginning of the scene, and you've just

1378
00:58:19.139 --> 00:58:23.099
been reevolved, and you just need to convey all of that with a

1379
00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:23.340
look.

1380
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:24.420
Off you go.

1381
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.179
She manages it because she's Kate Mulgrew.

1382
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:31.860
Oh, this line, which she goes, I never imagined having children.

1383
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.860
But I certainly didn't imagine having them with you.

1384
00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:41.760
It's so well delivered.

1385
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:45.599
It's so shit and she absolutely lands that stupid line.

1386
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:46.139
It's wonderful.

1387
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:50.400
This is why we need prestige actors as regulars in Star Trek

1388
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:50.820
shows.

1389
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:51.599
Oh, crap.

1390
00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:53.400
Gosh.

1391
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:58.440
And then, like, so there was something in memory, Alfred, and I'm

1392
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:04.019
not quite sure where, like, as if Robert Duncan McNeil had some

1393
00:59:04.019 --> 00:59:09.239
say in how this scene went as if some of the dialogue was his.

1394
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:16.320
And this is a bad scene because, again, it's trying to salvage

1395
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.400
something out of this just giant mess that hasn't managed to be

1396
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:21.179
about anything.

1397
00:59:21.179 --> 00:59:24.659
And it brings us back to the daddy issue staff, you know.

1398
00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:26.760
So what happens now?

1399
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.820
It goes in the log that he achieved it so that we don't explore

1400
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:32.219
this anymore because you're going to turn into a lizard.

1401
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.400
So is there a band now on research into warp 10.

1402
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:36.900
Yeah, I think so.

1403
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.980
But the thing that I like, which is really great, because she says

1404
00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:43.920
and I'm putting accommodation on your record, he says, why?

1405
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:47.760
And I just wanted to say, because you were a pretty good lay, you

1406
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:48.059
know?

1407
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:54.900
And I also like her thing where she says, actually, what makes you

1408
00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:56.039
think you initiated it?

1409
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:57.719
Yeah, okay.

1410
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:58.619
That's a good line.

1411
00:59:58.619 --> 01:00:02.340
I feel that that's where Bragg is on firmer ground. where we can

1412
01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:03.900
have some fun with...

1413
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.559
But I like it when it goes about, you know, turning into a lizard

1414
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.679
having babies, and then Janeway goes, you've broken more than one

1415
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:12.179
record today.

1416
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.840
Oh, fuck me.

1417
01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:18.539
I look at you with such admiration.

1418
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.039
Oh, yeah.

1419
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.380
It's so bad.

1420
01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:25.619
Yeah, it's really super bad.

1421
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.559
And then that terrible final line.

1422
01:00:28.619 --> 01:00:31.500
I just hope they're not theoretical impossibilities. and she goes

1423
01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:33.659
somehow, I think they won't be.

1424
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:35.159
Just say fuck off.

1425
01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:37.800
I'll tell you how good Kate Mulgrew is, right?

1426
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:41.039
She has, throughout these 7 years, she has all these scenes with

1427
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.719
Robert Duncan McNeil and Garrett Wang, 2 dreadful actors, and she

1428
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.280
manages to sell those relationships.

1429
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:54.000
On her own for 7 years. getting nothing back at all from the other

1430
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:54.480
actors.

1431
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:58.079
Yeah, and increasingly getting nothing back from the medium, Robert

1432
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.260
either, who kind of checks out at some point quite early on, I

1433
01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:01.440
think.

1434
01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:05.760
Mel to started, and we're in Sandrines.

1435
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.280
Now, someone's about to be murdered in the warp coil.

1436
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:10.199
Oh, that's fabulous episode.

1437
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:11.699
Why the hell didn't we watch that?

1438
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.739
Brad Dorov's in it?

1439
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:15.840
Oh, it's terrific in it as well.

1440
01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:17.519
Regular character semi-regular.

1441
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.440
Yeah, that's pretty amazing, isn't it?

1442
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:19.980
Pretty good.

1443
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.219
I did say to you, I was going to give you one more quote at the

1444
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:28.320
end of that riveting episode of Star Trek Voyager. and it's back

1445
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:29.579
to Brannan Braga again.

1446
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:35.760
Who, after a few years of thinking about it, is now quoted in 2003

1447
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.280
of saying, it's a terrible episode.

1448
01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:41.820
People are very unforgiving about that episode.

1449
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.460
I've written well over a 100 episodes of Star Trek.

1450
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.380
100 Yeah, yeah.

1451
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:47.280
Amazing.

1452
01:01:47.340 --> 01:01:49.920
Did you see that what the average of good to bad is?

1453
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.780
Yet it seems to be the only episode anyone brings up, you know?

1454
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:00.840
Brannan Braga who wrote threshold out of 100 and some episodes.

1455
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.280
You've got to have some stinkers.

1456
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:06.179
Unfortunately, that was a royal steaming stinker.

1457
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.239
Oh, good for him for at least admitting it.

1458
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:13.139
Not trying to blame anyone else, although there is a lot of blame

1459
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:13.679
to go around.

1460
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:17.519
There is just a tiny bit of trivia that is worth mentioning here

1461
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:17.880
as well.

1462
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:22.500
Despite its lack of popularity, this episode of Star Trek Voyager

1463
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:26.579
was one of the only few episodes commemorated by Playmates toys

1464
01:02:26.579 --> 01:02:30.599
with the launch of an episode-specific Voyager action figure

1465
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:31.260
release.

1466
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:35.760
In this case, the release was an action figure of the episode's

1467
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:40.739
hyper-evolved Tom Paris, complete with a phaser and his 3 mutant

1468
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:41.219
offspring.

1469
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.539
Wow.

1470
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.880
What if there'd been a Paris and a Janeway and you could have

1471
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:46.559
rubbed them against one another and stuff?

1472
01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:48.960
I don't know, I know what you're getting for Christmas.

1473
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.460
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1474
01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:05.699
discover what we're going to be doing next week.

1475
01:03:05.820 --> 01:03:08.340
Threshold was your choice.

1476
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.559
The only way is up.

1477
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:13.559
Yeah, and we're not ever doing Voyager again.

1478
01:03:13.619 --> 01:03:14.159
That's it.

1479
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:16.199
I've just declared that unilaterally.

1480
01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.300
We've had far, far too much Voyager.

1481
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.239
Hardly enough, I feel as if that was what happened when people

1482
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.159
watched this on the original rub.

1483
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:24.900
I'm never watching this show again.

1484
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.860
Do you know what?

1485
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.760
Can I just say one last scene?

1486
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:30.239
Yeah, and I realise this is completely off topic given this is the

1487
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.380
moment we choose.

1488
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.000
This was the 3rd highest rated episode of series two.

1489
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:37.800
That's upsetting.

1490
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.599
No wonder no one came back.

1491
01:03:39.659 --> 01:03:42.960
A lot of people were exposed to it. right.

1492
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:43.619
All right.

1493
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.039
So we're going to choose an episode of Star Trek, the original

1494
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:48.960
series as a...

1495
01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:49.739
Oh, yes.

1496
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:54.659
And that's all we have. on the Randomiser, which is, of course, at

1497
01:03:54.659 --> 01:03:57.659
untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1498
01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:01.260
I'm going to have to bring up a website because every time we do

1499
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:04.019
this, I'm going to let people know they're behind scenes now.

1500
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:07.019
Every time we do this, we'd be doing original series episodes.

1501
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.179
We're like, we've got no idea, well, that's good.

1502
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:09.719
Yeah, yeah.

1503
01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:10.320
Yeah.

1504
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:11.940
Okay, that is a thing.

1505
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:13.019
All right.

1506
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:17.280
So, I'm pressing the button and it is your random Star Trek, the

1507
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:21.539
original series episode, is season two, episode 19, a Private

1508
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:22.260
Little War.

1509
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.480
Right, Little War.

1510
01:04:24.539 --> 01:04:26.159
I'm going to read you the synopsis, okay?

1511
01:04:26.219 --> 01:04:26.579
Okay.

1512
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.679
Private little war.

1513
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:31.320
When the Klingons are on the aggressing side of a primitive

1514
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:35.219
culture with firearms, Kirk takes it upon himself to arm the other

1515
01:04:35.219 --> 01:04:37.980
side in the effort to level the playing field.

1516
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:47.880
I think that I have watched that reasonably recently, it is

1517
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.239
terrible, but it is the episode that the Megato are from.

1518
01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:54.179
It sounds like it could be quite interesting.

1519
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.239
It's not good, like it isn't good.

1520
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.760
And so if we want to do something good, we should do it.

1521
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:03.119
I mean, you know, the Megato we've seen, we did that episode of

1522
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.340
Lower Decks that featured them.

1523
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.719
Let's try something good.

1524
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.079
We've done too many 1st roles recently. think so.

1525
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:11.880
I think that's absolutely.

1526
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.159
We've been sticking to the premise of this podcast far too long.

1527
01:05:14.219 --> 01:05:15.119
A little bit too hard.

1528
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:15.840
Okay.

1529
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:21.239
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is, it's like

1530
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.300
the next one or the one really nearby.

1531
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:28.679
The Gamesters of Triskelion, season two, episodes 16.

1532
01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:31.860
Okay, so Jama gives this one star.

1533
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:33.780
So it's probably going to be really good, which would be great.

1534
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:37.619
Um, Kirk, Ahura, and Chekhov are kidnapped to the planet

1535
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:41.340
Triskellion, and forced to engage in arena games to the amusement

1536
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:45.539
of 3 powerful aliens who bet on the outcomes of the fights.

1537
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:46.920
I mean, it sounds ghastly.

1538
01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.659
Yeah, it does sound pretty terrible.

1539
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:49.559
Roll it again.

1540
01:05:49.619 --> 01:05:50.639
I'm going to roll again.

1541
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:58.199
So Jammer gave threshold some score, and then he went back and

1542
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.360
revised it down to 0 stars.

1543
01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:01.679
Okay.

1544
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.699
He says that he admits it in his review that he originally gave it

1545
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:09.480
maybe a very generous half a star or one star.

1546
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.639
And then fall down to that.

1547
01:06:11.699 --> 01:06:12.900
What the hell was I thinking?

1548
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.400
Yeah, yeah.

1549
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:15.480
All right, here goes.

1550
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:21.179
Season three, episode 14, whom gods destroy.

1551
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:26.820
While delivering medicine to a pedal colony for the insane, Kirk

1552
01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:30.360
and Spock are taken prisoner by a megalomaniac bent on unleashing

1553
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:31.800
his wrath upon the universe.

1554
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.000
That sounds fun.

1555
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.400
Yeah, back in the day, we joked about a Star Trek episode, which I

1556
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.500
have watched, and I think it's this one.

1557
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.860
I'm pretty sure it's this one that had an exploding green woman in

1558
01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:44.039
it.

1559
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:48.900
And obviously, obviously that's an Orion.

1560
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.760
So it's an Orion girl called Martyr, and she explodes in this

1561
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.159
episode, and that was a thing that we thought was sort of super

1562
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.000
hilarious.

1563
01:06:57.059 --> 01:07:03.179
Um, so that's... in one particularly cruel scene, Marta is blown

1564
01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:03.420
up.

1565
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:04.619
It sounds amazing.

1566
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:09.780
He also says most of the episode is hopelessly cooly and

1567
01:07:09.780 --> 01:07:12.059
overplayed, so I really want to watch it now.

1568
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:13.559
Yeah, I think it could be pretty good.

1569
01:07:13.619 --> 01:07:14.460
It could be fun.

1570
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.260
It could also be ghastly.

1571
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:20.579
We haven't really dipped our toast too much into season 3 and it's

1572
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:21.900
the Freiburger year, isn't it?

1573
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.139
would be interesting to discover a bit more about that.

1574
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.260
All right, let's do that. whom gods destroy.

1575
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.940
Let's do it.

1576
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:25.380
Oh, it's ghastly, isn't it?

1577
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:25.859
Yeah.

1578
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:27.119
Oh, no, that was miserable.

1579
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:31.439
I reckon I reckon we go out on the Christmas.

1580
01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:33.000
Oh okay. you think?

1581
01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:34.680
Yeah, that's a good place to it.

1582
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:37.140
Oh, Jesus Christ.

1583
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:38.579
So bad.

1584
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.159
I chose... chose that one.

1585
01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:43.260
No, technically you chose that one because I would have skipped

1586
01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:43.439
it.

1587
01:08:43.500 --> 01:08:44.880
And you said, no, we had to do it.

1588
01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:46.199
We've got to do it.

1589
01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:47.579
Yeah, how can we not do it?

1590
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:52.020
Oh, God, it looks like you're being eaten by that lizard then.

1591
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.899
It looked like you were being eaten by that lizard.

1592
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.340
You literally went, right, in its mouth.

1593
01:08:57.659 --> 01:08:59.279
So stupid.

1594
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:06.600
So the peak charm. show me that I'm gonna use and I'm gonna

1595
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.920
sometimes I cheat slightly by just improving the lighting if it's

1596
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:11.340
a bit rough.

1597
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:14.399
Sending it on there on the chat.

1598
01:09:14.939 --> 01:09:17.159
Yeah, I've just got to find it.

1599
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:18.779
So.

1600
01:09:25.739 --> 01:09:27.359
Where is it?

1601
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.880
It's really dark.

1602
01:09:29.939 --> 01:09:31.680
So you can't see anything, but I can fix that.

1603
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:37.800
The little puppity guy.

1604
01:09:37.859 --> 01:09:39.960
They little puppets, they say it all.

1605
01:09:40.020 --> 01:09:41.880
The best part of the episode.

1606
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:43.800
Yeah.

1607
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.100
Oh my god, I can't believe I can't believe there's a toy of that.

1608
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:48.539
I wonder how much that sales for.

1609
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:53.460
Look, I won't do it quite as bad as this, but I'm going to export

1610
01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:58.920
that and show you parish threshold toy.

1611
01:09:58.979 --> 01:10:01.079
I want to see if anyone's selling it.

1612
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:03.899
Oh yeah.

1613
01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:05.819
Oh really?

1614
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.119
Quite a say.

1615
01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:13.920
Look at that.

1616
01:10:13.979 --> 01:10:16.800
Oh, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me.

1617
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:17.220
Wait a sec.

1618
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.020
It's on the screen.

1619
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.979
Oh no, I thought it'd be the lizard.

1620
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:24.420
Why can't it be the little?

1621
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.220
I would love a little.

1622
01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:27.420
Where are the little babies?

1623
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:29.220
Wait.

1624
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.939
It's in the in the chat, but you can barely see them, but I've got

1625
01:10:32.939 --> 01:10:34.560
a better picture.

1626
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:41.640
Oh, it's only £57. it could be worth it Here you go.

1627
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:42.420
This is...

1628
01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:44.760
Oh no, that's so good.

1629
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:51.060
Oh, there's a YouTube video. 2 minutes unboxing. embarrassed

1630
01:10:51.060 --> 01:10:52.199
mutating in French.

1631
01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:52.920
Oh, no.

1632
01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:54.779
Oh no, that's awesome.

1633
01:10:55.500 --> 01:10:57.479
Oh, how wonderful.

1634
01:10:57.659 --> 01:11:00.060
I love Star Trek fans.

1635
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:02.880
Wow.

1636
01:11:02.939 --> 01:11:05.220
All right, it's my go.

1637
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:06.479
It's nearly 10.

1638
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:07.380
I should, um.

1639
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:09.180
I would just like to hang on.

1640
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:14.579
That's what comes with it.

1641
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.779
You get 3 of those.

1642
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.060
Oh, no, that's so shit.

1643
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.520
I actually do just look like turds, don't I?

1644
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:21.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1645
01:11:21.539 --> 01:11:22.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1646
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:23.279
Ugh.

1647
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.640
I'll be a fun listen, though, you know?

1648
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.760
So it's here.

1649
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.159
Nathan.

1650
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.500
Oh yeah, here you go.

1651
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.180
I'll send you this.

1652
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.539
I'm not it's not going to be as extreme as this.

1653
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:42.720
But that is clearer.

1654
01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:47.579
Oh, that's yeah, that's the last bit.

1655
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.260
Oh, it's a lot clearer, isn't it?

1656
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.680
Look at the 2 the 2 adults either side. as well.

1657
01:11:52.739 --> 01:11:56.640
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna, um, like I'll bring it down so it's not

1658
01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.119
quite so obviously done as that, but I sometimes do that.

1659
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.359
Well, if we've got a podcast on this show.

1660
01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:05.760
Yeah, it's so bad, isn't it?

1661
01:12:05.819 --> 01:12:06.899
All right, it's my guy.

1662
01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:09.539
Just so we get to the thing.

1663
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:14.279
It's so stupid.

1664
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:17.279
It's so boring and yucky.

1665
01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:20.699
It's a yucky. and have something good next week.

1666
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:24.180
We should always try and keep the balance, you know?

1667
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:26.579
Okay, let's do it.

1668
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:27.720
You know where you're going?

1669
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:28.739
Yeah.