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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So today we are at the end of series one of Lower Decks, we're

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watching the 2nd last episode, which is called Crisis Point.

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And when I spoke to you online a bit earlier, you were basically

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all well done, no notes about this one.

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No, I've got plenty of notes. none of them are critical.

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That's all.

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There wasn't a 2nd of this.

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I didn't think was blissful.

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Yeah, it is pretty great.

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I have one tiny criticism, which is that I don't think that we

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properly set up the inciting incident for Marinaco quite so mad by

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getting quite so cross at her mother.

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And that scene at the beginning before the opening credits is

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great and really properly funny and says something about the

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character, but she seems to be overreacting to just being forced

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to go and see Dr. Miglimo.

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And his food metaphors.

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This is his 1st episode and he is now a semi-regular, of course.

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We seem to be in a bit of a pickle, Nathan.

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Now you're being like a pineapple, right?

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It just gets ridiculous.

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It gets ridiculous.

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I was like, they can't keep throwing out food shows.

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They do.

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Like a lot starts here too.

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I think like a lot of the stuff that happens with Tandy in

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subsequent seasons, including the most recent series that ended

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last week, all the Orion stuff and about her backstory and Orion's

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all of which got touched on in those old scientists as well.

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All of that starts here.

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And it made me realise that the 1st time we see an Orion woman is

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in the pilot, isn't it?

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Where, um, Vina appears to Pike in the guise of an Orion woman.

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She's a green.

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And the Orion women were always sort of people to have sex with

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basically, like that was kind of their role.

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And having Tandy on the ship, who is sweet and innocent and

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absolutely enthused about science and exploration and all of those

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Star Trek things, is just wonderful.

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It's like having wharf on the bridge of the enterprise D. You know

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it's reclaiming this rather silly Star Trek species.

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Even enterprise, which obviously is before TOS, they add a child

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to sort of redeem them a bit. and there's an episode with Orion

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bounty hunters in it, and they're just a bunch of thugs. and then

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in series 4, they go down to an Orion Planet, and it's just

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options.

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It's sex workers, basically, you know.

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So there's nothing positive at all.

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What I really loved was how Tendi played along with the role for a

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bit. like, oh this could be fun.

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And then she realises it's just getting more and more offensive as

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she goes along.

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She just goes, I'm not doing this, all right?

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This isn't who I am.

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Is this how you see me?

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The other side character whose name I always forget with the

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eyepiece?

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Rutherford.

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Rutherford.

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It was absolutely gorgeous.

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He gets a little subplot in this as well, where I couldn't

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remember what his relationship with the engineer was.

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I'm going, is he really going to go and tell him, you're an

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asshole.

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And then of course, the joke is, no, I think you're amazing.

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And the way you tickle the warp coils.

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It's you're the finest engineer and stuff.

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Man, you can love these people more.

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Yeah, both of them have a kind of slightly crazed, hysterical

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thing.

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There's a line in those old scientists.

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Excuse me.

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It's like you and me talking about Star Trek.

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Well, yeah, yeah.

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There's a line in those old scientists where Boimler observes that

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everyone here talks slower and quieter than they do at home.

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And of course, everyone, like Tandy and Rutherford are sweet and

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childlike because they're cartoon characters, and there's always a

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sort of hysterical, slightly hysterical edge to how excited both

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of them get about all of the science stuff.

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That line about the way the dialogue's sped up in cartoons.

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I know that's just taking a piss out of the form of a cartoon.

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But as well, there's so many jokes they pack into a lower X

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episode.

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They've got to talk fast.

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Otherwise we wouldn't get them all in.

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Yeah.

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But it just means they're far enough one after another.

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So I'm just constantly laughing throughout the entire thing.

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And then we go back to 90s trek where everyone does talk very

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softly and I understand, this is a little bit laborious, isn't

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it?

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Yeah, I mean, I really, really like this.

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This is my comfort trek, and I think it is funny and well written

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and I think it manages to be Star Trek.

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And it has ambitions beyond just being about the show or about the

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franchise because I think it does actually do Star Trek, but it

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doesn't get, it rarely gets maudlin.

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It sometimes has heart, though.

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It sometimes does make you feel for the characters, I think.

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Oh, I think it frequently has heart.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm always sympathising with the characters, but I think this

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episode in particular shows the detractors of this show just how

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much you can probe these characters within this format because it

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doesn't slow down, but it's saying a lot. you know, low decks uses

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the cliches all the time.

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But the way it uses the holodeck in this, I think it might be the

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most audacious use of the holodeck since.

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Ah, man, Bashir, possibly, Bada bang, something like that.

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What about that one where Badgie was going after everyone and

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trying to kill them?

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That was great as well.

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Oh, no wonder he is coming back.

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I'll see that badger, you know, every convention I go to.

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They've got badgie merchandise.

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Like, is he that massive in this show?

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can't remember.

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Well, he does come back in series 4 again for another go round in

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an episode that is pretty great.

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But what this appears to be, initially, is a massive rip on Star

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Trek movies and obviously that is something that needs to happen

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because they can be incredibly serious and stupid.

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So they're just ripe for the picking.

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But as the episode continues and suddenly Mariner is going up

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against her mother and then going up against her.

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It's peeling away layers of that character.

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He's telling us really into.

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They suggest that she's worked for her problems at the end of this

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episode.

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How intense things get, our question of whether just one fistfight

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is going to make all those problems go away and we do explore it

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more as series goes along.

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But I don't think anybody was expecting this level of intensity in

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lower decks.

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So when I watched this episode, I really, I mean, you said last

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week, we're doing this one.

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I went, yeah, that was the 1st time on this show.

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I really sort of sat back and forth.

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These are real characters going on real journeys that can

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genuinely surprise me.

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I didn't expect that with this show.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it is really quite amazing.

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You know, Star Trek, Strange New Worlds had 2 episodes that tried

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on hard mode this season and one was the musical and then the

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other one was the crossover with this and it did it so incredibly

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well.

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And it turns out Boimler and Mariner are both functional

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characters who work really, really well within the context of that

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show.

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I almost felt like a gift to the actors.

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I had imbued this series with so much heart for them to be in live

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action trek.

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And yeah, you're right.

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That was just as blissful as this was.

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I can't wait till we do that one as well. wonderful.

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I did say to you off, Michael.

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I am scared though, because there were so many jokes about the

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Star Trek movies in this episode.

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I'm scared we're going to miss it because they go by like our list

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quickly.

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I was like typing to you as I was watching it, trying to get I was

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like, 0 my god, there's another one quick, right, quick.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it's just glorious.

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Do you know, we did talk just a 2nd ago about, you know, how

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divisive lower decks can be and why some people don't really get

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it.

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I think it's because I don't think Star Trek fans like, this is an

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obvious thing to say, but like people poking fun as something that

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they take incredibly seriously.

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Like people embrace Star Trek as a life choice, you know, not just

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as a TV show to watch.

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I've seen that trekkers program.

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People are dressing up like Klingons and going into McDonald's and

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that one fellow's got his entire dentist surgery set up like the

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bridge and things like this and they behave, you know, to the code

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of honour of the captains in their life and things like this and

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go on away missions down the shops.

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And a lot comes lower decks, which is absolutely ripping into all

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of that.

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But doing it in the sort of galaxy quest way where it's taken a

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piss, but it loves it.

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It's doing it affectionately as well.

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But I still think that niggles for some people that take all of

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this incredibly seriously.

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I think the reason why you and I like it is because we don't take

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none of this seriously at all. listen to the last 60 episodes of

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this podcast where we basically laugh our way through every

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episode.

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So some of my friends who don't like it don't like cartoons. and

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so they don't watch it because cartoons aren't for them.

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That's fair But I always suspect that the problem was that lower

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decks makes the world ridiculous.

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And if Star Trek is a history of the future where all of these

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things happened on particular dates and stuff, you don't actually

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need lower decks to make it ridiculous because it's absolutely

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ridiculous just because it's Star Trek and...

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Oh, that's exactly what I was just about.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Oh, I mean, lower tax makes...

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But it does make out more ridiculous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh for sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's Star Trek the sitcom, basically, isn't it?

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Yeah It just warms my heart when I go to memory alpha and look at

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someone's page, some character's page, and I see that character in

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live action, and then I see them on lower decks, and memory alpha

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just treats everything is equally canonical, and I think that

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that's wonderful.

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God bless them.

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It absolutely should.

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Well, and as we've discussed before as well.

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It's a relief that lower decks exists because before this, the

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only animated Star Trek we had was the animated series.

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And, you know, that's so appalling even June Brodenbury tried to

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wash his hands with it.

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Yeah.

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No, well, and it regards itself as a kind of sequel to that series

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as well.

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It frequently refers to it, and it is the sort of previous

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animated series in Star Trek.

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It's part of the whole rich legacy.

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Before we go into episode.

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I just want to say, I have discovered a documentary series on

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Prime called the centre seat, right?

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And it is the greatest amass number of interviews I've ever seen

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for Star Trek.

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Each episode covers one TV show or the movies right up until

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Kurtzman Trek.

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They pulled in writers, directors, showrunners, actors, everybody

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you can think of.

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It's packed full of trivia.

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There's some really interesting stuff about Gene Roddenbury in

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there, which I cannot wait to get into during the appropriate

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episodes.

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So just as I recommend to everybody, go and find the centre seat

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on Prime Video.

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I don't think you'll ever find a greater amassed amount of trivia

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about Star Trek from the mouths of the people that actually were

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making it.

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It's absolutely fascinating.

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I haven't got to lower decks one yet, so I can't add anything to

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this, but I will.

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There is a lower decks one.

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There is, it's right up until Kurtzman Trek, yeah.

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W wonderful.

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Yeah.

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And narrated by Gates McFadden, and she's got great fun with it.

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Because they've given her this very witty script.

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You know, she's doing the sort of reversal gags, which everything

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was going swimmingly until it wasn't, you know, and then we cut to

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the next interview.

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Wonderful.

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All right, shall we go in?

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We should, yeah.

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We should.

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All right, I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this is before we get the, you know, the special trek logo

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before we get the trek cinematic universe logo.

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So this opening scene actually I really like, because what it does

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do is it shows you the difference between Mariner and everyone

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else, and it's very, very clear that Mariner wants to rescue

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people and do the right thing.

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And she's doing it right away in that very 1st episode, remember?

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When she's selling arts, no, giving away art supplies to the kids

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and stuff?

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That's the character we needed in Star Trek the Next Generation

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series one where they were going around ignoring the plight of the

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universe because the prime director said so.

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So I love these, these, the lizards who are really dumb, and so

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they're not that worried about whether they're saved or not, and

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that it kind of doesn't occur to them, that not being eaten would

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be good, because they, they're so.

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Until she points out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is clearly the Sele and the Anticons from...

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They look exactly...

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But look at this.

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Look at this.

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The rat guy when he just thinks about eating the lizards, like he

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licks his lips.

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So good.

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It's so good And then the way it's resolved.

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It's like, can you stop eating the lizards if we give you

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replicators?

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How's your dog going to show that?

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The prime directive, as a story setting device, because whether

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you do get involved or whether you don't, you've got 2 very

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different stories, you can tell there on each planet.

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It works.

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Both are frustrated in different ways though, usually.

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Yeah, and so in this strange position at this point in the show

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where Mariner isn't known by anyone else to be Freeman's daughter

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so no one knows that.

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I wanted to ask you about that.

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Yeah, obviously, obviously they know.

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But there's nobody else in the show know at this point.

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No, no, we know, but they...

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When's that revealed in the next episode?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because boy, I will find out at the end of this episode.

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I'm wondering if he might have aced his interview at the end if he

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if he didn't have this huge secret lock in his head.

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Part of the fun here is, of course, just the massive anti-climax.

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Like, you know, Freeman's been complaining about how much

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difficulty she has and how she'll have to fill in all these forms

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and she's created this big problem and Freeman goes up and says, do

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you want to replicate her?

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Can they produce nutrient pellets?

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Yes.

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And that's it.

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That solved the problem.

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So it's funny watching this scene after watching series four, not

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this shot, but the next one, is it the next one?

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So we're gonna break the icicle off. love this title sequence.

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Yeah, it's so good.

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Look at that.

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The Cerritos goes, fuck this.

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I'm not fighting the Borg.

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I off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But in series 2, they add the Pac-Leds in series 3, they add the

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Silicon Avatar.

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And in series 4 they add the whale thing that, oh, there's your

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guy sucking on the...

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It's the way he looks at me and was on it, yeah.

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And of course...

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He's, he's in the, he's in the opening credits of those old

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scientists, um, sucking on the Nacelle of the Enterprise.

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So good.

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Oh, I love the love that goes.

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Oh here he is.

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It's a veritable fruit salad.

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He's so funny.

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And that character is so great that they just bring him back all

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the time.

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This is literally his 1st time he looks like he's going to be a

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one off character.

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We never saw it, but her reaction to therapy is how I imagine

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every crew member on the Enterprise felt when they said, you're

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going to have to go see Deanna Troy.

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Troy.

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Oh, God.

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Anything but a pathetic psychobabble.

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I'd rather have the food metaphors.

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He does sit up.

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Oh, so this, this, this, I love.

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I love how he says, um, or even there, Citendi.

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But you know, it's so great because it's setting up a gag at the

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end.

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Yeah, yeah, he comes over and shoots them.

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And so that's Gary Cole, who you might remember as Mike Brady from

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the Brady Bunch movie alongside Shelley Long. Or he was also the

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evil sheriff in American Gothic.

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And he gets like about 5 lines in this episode.

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I'm so pleased they created a character, like that fella in the

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lower decks TNG episode that was always trying to sort of suck up

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to Riker.

365
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Yeah, it's just right for humour and for pathos as well.

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Because he's so desperate to impress. he gets there in the air

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doesn't he?

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He gets sent permission.

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But in a sad way.

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So what because what happens is so his name's Lavelle, remember?

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and in the episode lower decks, There's a scene he's been excluded

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all the time from sitting with Riker.

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Riker's not interested in him.

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He thinks Riker doesn't like him.

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After Cito dies, Riker actually asks if he can sit with them.

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You know, wonderful moment.

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Troy goes, it reminds me of you when you were that age.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But then, of course, in this, you get him asking about the

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cookies.

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I'm going to make her some cookies.

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And the fella goes, yeah, that's a good idea after I've done that

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before.

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So, here we go.

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She's taken 20 seconds to write a movie.

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We've done the Star Trek, the Next Generation series 5 opening

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titles with the Wushy Warp thing, and you can almost hear the

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James Horner music.

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I can't, because I can't.

390
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But the horns are going crazy, right?

391
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There's our Zon reference.

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Oh, I forgot.

393
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You are more of a Zon anyway.

394
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You were never going to make the shot.

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So great.

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Which she goes to him, yeah.

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I've got the perfect part of you It's just him, isn't it?

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But with a squeaky voice.

399
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he's he's Shampo.

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Look at, look at...

402
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I just love that visual of this. standing in a movie title

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sequence. all the stars going around them.

404
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Yeah, it's really great isn't it?

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This is some of that, that's just some of the terrific visuals

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that doing a cartoon can afford you.

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And so, and so here, one of the things that they do is the little

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like, bottom left-hand corner where they say where we are, which

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is a thing that the movies had, but the TV shows never used to

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have.

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They do occasionally now, but that used to be a thing.

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And then, you know, this is a bit like the crappy scene in nemesis

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where they're all riding those bikes or whatever.

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But it also is like Star Trek five.

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It's like, you know, the captain climbing El Capitan, so that we

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instead of being inside, you know, all the time we go as outside

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as we possibly can just to show everyone what a budget we've got.

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It was, it's in nemesis, it's just terrible, isn't it?

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Because it's in the middle of like all this serious stuff and then

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they're just sort of laughing and going along the desert planet in

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their buggies.

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Oh, look, it's that space station.

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A gorgeous space station.

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Yep.

425
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Yeah.

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Oh, I like the fact that boiling goes, you know what?

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In real life, it would be the enterprise on this mission.

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We wouldn't send this Areritos for this.

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Fortunately, we've just had a refit so we can do an agonisingly

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long fly.

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So great.

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But I mean, in the story, it's like someone pretending to do 2nd

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contacts with people.

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And so that's why we send the Cerritos because it's about a fake

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2nd contact.

436
00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:10.980
I just love it, though.

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I love thinking now when I watch Next Generation, all this stuff

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with the sort of lesser ships.

439
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Yeah, the shitter plots are going on in the background. you know?

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Notice how this is directed too.

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So it's in widescreen and there's of like the depth of focus is

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different people in the background.

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Oh, and look.

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You know how you get the, you know, when they put it on the cinema

445
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and you get the effect on the screen, they're doing that as well.

446
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

447
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Which is very clever.

448
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Look at all this.

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I mean, it looks as beautiful as it did in the motion picture.

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It's so great It's just the fact we keep cutting to their reaction

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shots like you do recur.

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Yeah.

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And of course, that goes on for about 5 minutes.

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We're not going to waste 5 minutes of this, you know, 30 minute

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episode of lower deck.

456
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But they don't, there's no lines.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it is just the music.

459
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It's the music from Star Trek 2 and the lower decks theme and

460
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these shots and they just keep happening and we, that's the joke

461
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you know.

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A lower decks episode, you know, like we've said, already packed

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so much in for them to just stop for 30 seconds.

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It's the equivalent of doing 5 minutes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's like that shot where we're just going around and around for

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no reason.

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It's so great.

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Everyone's looking at it so dreamy, aren't they?

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Our beautiful ship.

471
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But I mean, they deserve to do that in Star Trek, the Motion

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Picture.

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Like, it is ridiculous. absurd.

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But, you know, we'd seen that those shots of the Enterprise on our

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shitty televisions.

476
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Yeah, look, just everything's widescreen.

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There's a bit of film grain.

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If you look closely, you can see actual film grain.

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Bloody Star Trek film, they're doing the lens flare.

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They're doing the lens flare from the Abrams films.

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They're doing some weird ass, like a new special effect for going

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into warp because it's a movie.

483
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All the jokes they do about because it's a movie.

484
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But none of the rules apply to your normal Star Trek episode.

485
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

486
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Yeah, look at that.

487
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Everyone's out of focus in the background.

488
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Now Boyem was out of focus in the foreground.

489
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Secretly, you know, I think Shaq might be my favourite character.

490
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Yeah, he's adorable, isn't he?

491
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He's so good.

492
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So he'll get killed next episode.

493
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Oh, the polling decision.

494
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But then the jokes for him coming back.

495
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Yeah, it's so good.

496
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So is she supposed to be calm here?

497
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Is this the idea?

498
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But I think she's a crapper one.

499
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She's like Nero.

500
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But do you know what I mean?

501
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They always have villains.

502
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They don't really have single episode villains that much in Star

503
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Trek, and certainly not in 90s trek, but it's like Star Trek the

504
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Next Generation has almost no major villains.

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And then there's just a series of crappy villains.

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F. Murray, Abraham, Eric Banner, like all of these people from the

507
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:12.359
movies.

508
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:15.240
Christopher Lloyd.

509
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:16.500
Christopher Lloyd.

510
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:17.279
Well, he's good.

511
00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:18.839
Like, that's the original movies.

512
00:23:18.900 --> 00:23:19.440
They're great.

513
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:21.180
Tom Halsey.

514
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.099
Let me not forget Tom Hardy.

515
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.539
Yeah.

516
00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:29.400
Oh, she wants she given, uh, Boimler, a podge of face.

517
00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:31.680
Yeah, no, but that's Shampo.

518
00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:33.299
He's just kind of replaced.

519
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.180
He's replaced by him because Boemler didn't want to participate

520
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:40.559
because he's still using the program the way it was designed to

521
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.920
find a way of sucking up to Carol Freeman.

522
00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:47.819
I love the fact that, oh, man, I'm so terrible with the names.

523
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.259
10 D and Rutherford.

524
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:50.220
I think I got it right.

525
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:51.900
So, Shampo.

526
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:53.099
Por Shampo.

527
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.839
She's very upset.

528
00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.180
They're so adorable, but even when they play evil, can't quite do

529
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:00.299
it.

530
00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:04.140
Well, I mean, it's the other thing that this show does, which is

531
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.660
that it is astonishingly violent.

532
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.619
Like much, much more violent than Star Trek has ever been, even

533
00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:14.039
Discovery series one is pretty violent, but this is much more

534
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:15.660
seriously violent.

535
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.460
So watch what happens here to these people, poor old Gabrielle

536
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:24.059
Ruiz, who will be back to play to lean in series 3 and four.

537
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.500
There she is there.

538
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.240
She's about to be squashed.

539
00:24:27.299 --> 00:24:30.539
This was the point where I started thinking, my God.

540
00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:31.799
Whoa, there they go.

541
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.599
Marilyn's got problems.

542
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.000
She literally goes runner, massacres everybody.

543
00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:40.140
Yeah, I I don't think they quite sell it.

544
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:45.660
But I do think that when the big shock is when our Mariner shows

545
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:52.019
up and it's the version of Mariner programmed by Boimler, and

546
00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:56.220
that's our Mariner, and she kind of says, actually, no, you really

547
00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:58.259
love your mother, you get to work with your friends.

548
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.779
You know, this is a great job, you love it.

549
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:03.539
Don't be a dick, you know.

550
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.299
I said that there was no precedence for this episode.

551
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.539
Perhaps, you know, when she goes back into the real world at the

552
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:11.579
end of the episode and they're all just sort of going, oh, well

553
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:12.299
that therapy works.

554
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:13.740
I'm not sure that's enough.

555
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.799
No, they go back to it.

556
00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:18.180
They do go back to it.

557
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:18.779
Yeah.

558
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:19.440
Yeah.

559
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.539
I mean, this is, you know what?

560
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:22.680
This is a computer game.

561
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.039
Let's forget how fun it is to watch her going around murdering

562
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.380
everybody because it's very fun to watch.

563
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.859
Like whenever Voyager did this, you know, holodeck versions of

564
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:34.200
Voyager, they would never go to these extremes.

565
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.599
No, they wouldn't have this much fun.

566
00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:41.579
We've just shot ransom.

567
00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:45.660
She's talking and walking there.

568
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.380
So now he has to find out what sort of, what sort of cookies

569
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:56.640
what's allergic to, what you can say.

570
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:57.420
It will come up.

571
00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:01.259
I baked you some chocolate chip cookies, sir.

572
00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:05.099
So here we are.

573
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.279
Oh, I loved all of this.

574
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:10.200
Yeah, it's adorable, isn't it?

575
00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:11.940
And this is another cliche as well.

576
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.839
The engineer and the lower decker getting stuck in engineering

577
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.599
during a crisis and I have to come up with something together.

578
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.119
So good.

579
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.059
You're the best engineer in the fleet, is it?

580
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.519
So cute, isn't it?

581
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:27.599
It's just so adorable.

582
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.700
Oh yeah, he's such a sweet.

583
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.160
I just love how you program subroutines.

584
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:38.339
Oh my.

585
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:40.440
You know, you could just substitute it before.

586
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:45.960
Geordie La Forge or Blanatores, Chief O'Brien, Edson Gomez.

587
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.319
Oh, yeah, do you remember Geordie and Ensign Gomez?

588
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.759
I do believe they're only in one episode, not they, 2 of them?

589
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:57.720
I think Sonya's in another episode and she is in a lower decks

590
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.160
episode as Captain...

591
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.680
He's the one that feels hot chocolate over Captain Picard, isn't

592
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:01.799
she?

593
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:03.180
Yeah, the 1st time she meets him.

594
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:03.900
So great.

595
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.079
But I did love the fact that, because someone had to say it.

596
00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:08.160
Tend goes to her.

597
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:09.539
This is getting out of hand now.

598
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.039
Yeah, yeah, you are.

599
00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:12.599
That's really good. isn't it?

600
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:13.619
Yeah, it's a great bit.

601
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.119
I love it.

602
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.279
That's like when the borkheads explodes.

603
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:17.759
There we go.

604
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.740
Well, that's shacks.

605
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.339
Oh, no.

606
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.200
You say this is gross.

607
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.119
She goes, here, try on the earring.

608
00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.700
She goes, it's still got some ear on it.

609
00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:28.740
That's right.

610
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:32.460
But she's doing horror Ryan Pirates thing.

611
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:33.660
Yeah.

612
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.980
And look, I love Tendi confiding back as well.

613
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:38.940
Good for her.

614
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.299
I'm confident we're halfway through this already.

615
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.019
It's so sad.

616
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:44.400
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:47.640
My one note was, I wish it was twice as long.

618
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:49.980
Yeah, well, I'm kind of glad it's not.

619
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:51.359
That's the other thing I like about it.

620
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:53.579
It's half an hour of Star Trek and then I can get on with my

621
00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:53.880
life.

622
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:57.960
She said the exact line I was thinking, at the exact point I was

623
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.880
thinking, it goes, this is messed up.

624
00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.740
This is messed up, you know.

625
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:05.339
And then she goes, yeah, look, let's go and murder everyone.

626
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.480
Then we'll grab some tacos.

627
00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:07.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

628
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:08.519
What an after.

629
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.440
Yeah.

630
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.799
Unless she's talking about going to find her mother and she goes

631
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.519
you think this is bad?

632
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:15.839
It's gonna be far worse than that.

633
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:19.680
And look, she walks out of the holodeck and all of the blood

634
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:20.880
evaporates.

635
00:28:21.059 --> 00:28:21.900
It's pretty great.

636
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.920
Although they're really going crazy on the old pop and crackle on

637
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.460
the effect.

638
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:27.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

639
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:29.940
I think there's a hair in the gate in that shot.

640
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.900
Oh my god.

641
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.119
It's just me and you and these guys.

642
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.460
You just wish that was Harry Kim, didn't you?

643
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:46.740
I love how she's in a she's in a Klingon bird of prey because

644
00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:50.460
that's always the best model that they just use the fuck out of in

645
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:50.759
the movies.

646
00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:53.819
Remember, generations when Lerza Betor came along?

647
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.640
Yeah, and of course, Star Trek 3, I think.

648
00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:01.019
And then suddenly they find themselves in this part of the ship

649
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:04.559
which is the most cinematic set, you can imagine, with all these

650
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:05.279
layers and levels.

651
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:10.259
She said that she wanted to fight her on a rickety gantry, like

652
00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:13.799
right at the very beginning, even before she sort of really

653
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.240
started writing the script.

654
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:17.220
This is so great.

655
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.660
Generation?

656
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.619
crushing the ship.

657
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.740
But also, um, Star Trek beyond.

658
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:23.940
I love how it rolls.

659
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:24.720
Isn't that awesome?

660
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:26.640
The source of rules.

661
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:27.359
Oh my god.

662
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:28.859
And the sauce...

663
00:29:28.859 --> 00:29:31.619
That looks so much like the Enterprise D. So also like it's the

664
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:32.759
same design, isn't it?

665
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.019
It's really great.

666
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.960
That sequence in generations is still great.

667
00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.119
Even today when the saucer goes.

668
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.059
Yeah, it's a cartoon version was incredible.

669
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:42.779
So good.

670
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.000
But the version in Star Trek Beyond is pretty great.

671
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.519
Do you remember when the ship gets destroyed in Star Trek Beyond?

672
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:51.119
Oh, by that point, the effects are another one.

673
00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:51.599
Incredible.

674
00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:52.859
Gosh, that's a good movie too.

675
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.380
I really like Star Trek Beyond, massively underrated.

676
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.319
Don't we get one of those, you know, those...

677
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.039
What's the fellow's name?

678
00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:00.180
Yeah, Abrams ones.

679
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:00.900
Thank you.

680
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.980
Yeah, yeah. get one of those.

681
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.059
This captain act.

682
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:06.960
It's not an act.

683
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:09.059
I'm overflowing with love and affection.

684
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.880
So good.

685
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:15.900
Oh, look, and these 2 bond. isn't that adorable?

686
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.539
What were they trying to say about the pair of them at the end

687
00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:22.019
going off to... polish their warp calls together.

688
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:23.099
Yeah, yeah.

689
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.960
So yeah, later on, of course, it's indicated that Billips is a

690
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.059
virgin, remember, because he belongs to that planet, which is the

691
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:35.400
sort of strange.

692
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:36.059
Yeah, yeah.

693
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.400
Where they're all trying to make him have sex.

694
00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:40.440
Yeah, because then he has to become the key.

695
00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:41.640
Yeah.

696
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:45.359
And they get a hot guy and a hot girl to go to his quarters set

697
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.200
half dressed.

698
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.380
Let's forget about the rest of Star Trek.

699
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.519
Let's just do more days.

700
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.880
So much fun. one's amazing.

701
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:59.220
Liming about the set. here we go Yeah, but, you know, it's a great

702
00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.039
It's actually a great hand-to-hand fight that she has.

703
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:03.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:04.319
So what are we doing?

705
00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:10.259
We're doing we're essentially doing Riker and that guy.

706
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:11.579
Oh, and Bu Jitsu.

707
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:12.599
You're not talking about that, are you?

708
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.160
No, no, in the film.

709
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:18.000
Riker Riker gets a rickety gantry fight with someone.

710
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:21.299
Is it 1st contact?

711
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.559
Well, no, I'm thinking it's sort of random asshole in insurrection

712
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:25.920
isn't it?

713
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:26.880
Does he do a fight with him?

714
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:28.619
Does he get a fight with a Rayman as well?

715
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.920
It just seems to be like it's off here having a fist fight.

716
00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:35.220
And it's very, it seems a bit inappropriate by the time we get to

717
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:37.740
nemesis because he's clearly the older man now.

718
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

719
00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.359
But there's all of this.

720
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:47.039
This, um, the intensity between mother and daughter, this is

721
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:47.940
brilliantly.

722
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:50.579
But you see, I like the intensity between the 2 mariners.

723
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:54.240
I think it's really good because our mariners got out of control.

724
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:58.319
And so this mariner who's turned up, who's been programmed, it

725
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.980
feels like our mariner, like much more like our mariner.

726
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.640
And so we have this sort of thing where we get, you know, her

727
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:06.539
making sense.

728
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.299
And in a sense, it doesn't matter because they're both cartoon

729
00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.579
characters, they're both Mariner.

730
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.819
You know, within this show, she's a version of Mariner, but

731
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.460
they're both on our TVs in a cartoon.

732
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.140
So they're equally mariner.

733
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:21.900
And so it's great having them sort of play that out and reminding

734
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:25.200
us what it is about Mariner, who is great, who in that 1st scene

735
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.380
was freeing the lizards from the rat people.

736
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.119
She was doing the right thing.

737
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

738
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.099
I just love all the dialogue about, you know, you play the badass

739
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:38.099
but actually, if you really knuckle down, you would be an amazing

740
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:39.720
officer and you know it.

741
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.759
You deliberately not doing that.

742
00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:45.180
You sabotage yourself so that you don't have to try too hard.

743
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:48.000
Yeah, it's pretty great, isn't it?

744
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:52.619
And what happens wonderfully over the series then is you realise

745
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:56.039
just how effective mother and daughter are together?

746
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:56.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

747
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.759
They play when she goes to rescue her mum in that episode.

748
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:00.660
She's incredible.

749
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.559
So the big thing that happens in series 4 is that they all get

750
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.420
promoted to Lieutenant junior grade.

751
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.220
Oh, I'm kind of in love with Jet.

752
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:09.359
He's hot.

753
00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:10.259
There's Jeff.

754
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.539
She goes, she goes, Jeff, you're the man.

755
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:14.819
I know, boy, I want to be the man.

756
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.559
Can I be the man?

757
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:23.460
How can I be the man?

758
00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:26.759
I've been asking out my whole life.

759
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:33.599
But it's such a, this is such literal therapy now, isn't it?

760
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:35.640
Being the shit out of yourself.

761
00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:37.380
I think it's affecting.

762
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.240
I think it's a great use of the holodeck.

763
00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:40.140
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.740
Well, so it's a, you know, I'd rather that than some Irish town

765
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:46.140
and Janeway making herself a personalised dildo.

766
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.059
I'd rather watch something that means something.

767
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:49.019
Yeah.

768
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.099
Yeah, no, that's it.

769
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.000
The thing that happens to the characters actually plays out and

770
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.900
means something.

771
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:56.640
Like she knows...

772
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.640
You complain about the captain, you complain about her nonstop, and

773
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.420
she goes, yeah, but I love her.

774
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:04.019
Yeah, it's so good, isn't it?

776
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:05.339
If she, that's right.

777
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.740
She keeps me here, even though I'm a pain in the arse because she

778
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:09.840
knows that I'd be done in Starfleet.

779
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:12.059
She wasn't here to watch my back.

780
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.300
And kind of the great thing about it too, is that they both look

781
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:19.440
more like one another as the fight goes on. because they're both

782
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.579
beat up because, you know, you know, vindictor is, you know, like

783
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:25.380
dress dress as a Star Trek villain.

784
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:26.219
And then they were.

785
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.739
They blew themselves up, you know, to save everyone.

786
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.119
Oh, and Paul.

787
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:33.719
I like the fact that the, the, the fake mariners, the clever one

788
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.059
just as our normal one normally is in the episode.

789
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:36.480
Yeah.

790
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.360
But it's distract you just long enough for the self-destruct to go

791
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:39.539
off.

792
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:40.559
Yeah.

793
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.039
Boom.

794
00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:45.599
Yeah, and now here's a realisation in the holodeck. said.

795
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.559
Look at that gorgeous shot of the shit going around the planet.

796
00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:51.420
It's lovely, isn't it?

797
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.780
Just reminding us that you don't have to be a movie to do a just a

798
00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:55.500
beautiful shot.

799
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.380
And look at Billips.

800
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.599
Look, he doesn't want to bother Billips.

801
00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:02.039
He's so lonely.

802
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.440
He's a stone cold badass.

803
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:05.099
Look at him.

804
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.760
Go and say hello to him.

805
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.139
I lost his virginity a bit earlier.

806
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.739
Yeah, and this, again, they make up.

807
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.780
That's a great line, isn't it?

808
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.420
She goes, most of them are terrible capitalists, the Orions, but

809
00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:28.019
this is not this one. up until 5 years ago. you know, like

810
00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:28.500
earlier.

811
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.460
Oh, and they're all going to look at the warp core, which Freeman

812
00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:37.679
catches them all laughing and then she goes straight to the

813
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.059
counsellor going, she's up to something.

814
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:39.780
Something's going wrong.

815
00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:40.800
What does she tell you?

816
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.800
And he straight away makes a food joke.

817
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.019
There was that thing earlier on.

818
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.500
There was that thing earlier on about how she would say how being

819
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:53.400
excited by the warp core is lame and that was the kind of running

820
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:54.719
thing in series one.

821
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:58.139
And in this, she secretly admits that, yes, the warp core is

822
00:35:58.139 --> 00:35:58.440
cool.

823
00:35:58.500 --> 00:35:59.400
It's not lame.

824
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:01.619
It's a real ethical pickle.

825
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:02.760
You put me in there, you know.

826
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:06.480
It's so funny. over the table.

827
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:10.739
Oh, I was saying, this is great.

828
00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:11.400
Yep.

829
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:11.940
Yeah, yeah.

830
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:12.960
This is great.

831
00:36:13.019 --> 00:36:15.960
Well, because this is genuinely shifting the series along now.

832
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:17.760
Yes, yeah, yeah.

833
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:19.619
And the series does do that.

834
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.880
Like it doesn't more than, uh, you know, Star Trek than Next

835
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.019
Generation does.

836
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.280
Things shift, relationships change from series to series.

837
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.440
It would be hard to do it all.

838
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.000
No.

839
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:35.400
I mean, I think Voyager, we've discussed the Voyager kind of

840
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.059
does.

841
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.119
Not as much as it should, but it does.

842
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:44.460
Yeah. now And you know, actually, what I really loved was how the

843
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:47.400
you know, the ultimate joke of this episode is him in the

844
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:47.880
interview.

845
00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:51.599
He walks out after failing the interview and she goes, oh, he

846
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.559
didn't do any preparation.

847
00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:53.940
Prepare enough, yeah.

848
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.440
I didn't prepare at all.

849
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:56.579
It really lands.

850
00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:58.260
Everything we've said.

851
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.619
And in fact, he completely undermines himself because, of course

852
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:05.639
all he can think about is how Mariner is Freeman's daughter.

853
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.659
And he went back in that one time just to get an edge in the

854
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:11.880
interview and completely fucked himself over.

855
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.300
It's one of those things where everything he says, it just gets

856
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:15.599
worse.

857
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:17.099
Mariner is hot.

858
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.019
She's nasty.

859
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.420
But what's so funny about that joke?

860
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.699
She just says it as an off the cuff sort of remark.

861
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.219
It's not looking straight at the screen and going, this is the

862
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:29.940
main joke of the episode.

863
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.920
And so now we're going back to the closing scene of the film where

864
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:40.019
it turns out she's alive, just like Spock, and then...

865
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:41.820
It's the only time it comes back.

866
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:47.099
Vinci from Voyager and the end of the wrath of calm, joining the

867
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:48.360
forces to make a joke.

868
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.780
Here we are doing all the signatures from the regular cast

869
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:53.280
members.

870
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.300
I don't know that we...

871
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:54.900
That was a thing.

872
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.219
I don't think that ever happened in it.

873
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:57.179
Yeah, it does.

874
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.659
It happens at the end of Star Trek 6 because we think that it's

875
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.260
going to end.

876
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.639
That's the end of the film series.

877
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.219
It was huge in the 80s actually.

878
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.820
Do you remember?

879
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.860
But Greece and all of that, they all did this.

880
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:11.760
That was the actors kind of saying goodbye to those roles, which

881
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.019
they'd been doing for ages.

882
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.559
Do you have the season finale now on the season finale of Lower

883
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.059
Decks thing now?

884
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:25.679
So this is obviously kind of the, the fallout where he

885
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.659
accidentally, uh, everyone on the bridge fights out, essentially.

886
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:34.440
Peanut hamper, his peanut hamper, bless her.

887
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.659
Well, best character in lower days.

888
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:37.380
So good.

889
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.760
Obviously, there had to be an Exo-Comp character in the next Star

890
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:42.539
Trek series.

891
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.400
It's so great, so funny.

892
00:38:44.460 --> 00:38:45.659
Just brilliant stuff.

893
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.960
I'm going to say to you what I say at the end of every lower deck

894
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.900
episode we ever do is how can people not enjoy this?

895
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.860
It's so fun yeah, yeah.

896
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.639
The last time we laughed, this March was during that Gary 7

897
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:00.780
episodes of TOS.

898
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.880
Yeah, well, that was fun.

899
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.960
That was like ridiculous as well.

900
00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:04.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

901
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:09.539
I mean, Star Trek is ridiculous, and they accept that, and you can

902
00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:13.500
see 90s Strek trying to hide from it while being ridiculous in its

903
00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:14.099
own way.

904
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.619
And then you see Kurtzman, kind of embracing it, even in discovery

905
00:39:19.619 --> 00:39:22.380
which is very solemn and very serious.

906
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.000
Like Harry Mund is in series one for some reason, you know.

907
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.900
So it does embrace its stupidity right from the get go and I think

908
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:31.320
that's great.

909
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.579
Although we did say during that episode when Harry Potter appeared

910
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:37.800
it was just very odd to have this sort of comedy.

911
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.380
You remember when the women came along at the end, take him away.

912
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:40.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

913
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.139
The people gave a lot of discovery Star Trek.

914
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.920
Yeah, so like, what is going on in our series?

915
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:52.139
But like, you know, recently we've watched stuff like Rox and

916
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:53.579
Shoals, which is incredibly.

917
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.800
You know, it's got someone committing suicide in that episode.

918
00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:57.179
Yeah, yeah, very serious.

919
00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:00.900
You've watched the 1st duty this week, which is an incredibly

920
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:01.800
serious episode as well.

921
00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:06.000
Most of Star Trek is pretty serious in its tone.

922
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.300
Like, these stuff should be celebrated.

923
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

924
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:16.679
I think that Kurtzman Trek has actually successfully done Star

925
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.079
Trek comedy in a way that Deep Space 9 occasionally manages to do

926
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.800
because some of the comedy there falls flat, I think, but some of

927
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:27.119
it's extremely good.

928
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:30.599
Um, but Kurzman Trek has a better hit rate.

929
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:34.320
And I think Strange New Worlds, you know, with the yearly Spock

930
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:38.880
sex comedy and those old scientists and just how relaxed all the

931
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.340
characters are, just how much more kind of normal and yeah, relaxed

932
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:44.820
they are.

933
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.199
The best comedy they ever did was Christina Chong coming along and

934
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.239
that fabulous dress.

935
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.519
The princess and the dog clicking her tits.

936
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.380
So great.

937
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.400
So great.

938
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.519
They understand that the show needs to let his hair down.

939
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:04.139
That does actually show different shades to the characters when

940
00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:05.519
you have fun with them as well.

941
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:09.179
But it also like in that episode, which was hilarious.

942
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:09.780
What was it called?

943
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:10.260
That episode?

944
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.099
The Elysian Kingdom?

945
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:11.639
Yeah.

946
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.179
The ending, which was incredibly emotional, really impacted

947
00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:18.480
because of all the comedy before, it almost sort of relaxes you

948
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.760
and then punches you in the face.

949
00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:23.280
Well, that's exactly what this does, isn't it?

950
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:26.699
It did it with all those digs at the Star Trek movies at the

951
00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:27.059
beginning.

952
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.519
And then at the end when it gets very intense, when they're

953
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.559
fighting, when they're revealing things about the characters

954
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.760
you're sort of off guard.

955
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:34.320
Yeah, it's clever.

956
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.119
Yeah, I think it is.

957
00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:38.340
I think it's really good and I'm happy that we have it.

958
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.420
I feel as if you're turning me to Kurtzman Trek, you know, slowly

959
00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:43.800
for surely, with this podcast.

960
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.019
I was very resistant at the beginning, wasn't I?

961
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.840
Yeah, we have to watch an episode of Discovery at some point.

962
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:50.340
That'll cure you.

963
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.340
The last one we watched, that was very dull, wouldn't it?

964
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.260
Yeah, it wasn't very worthy.

965
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.059
No, I can't wait till we do low.

966
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:57.539
Thanks again.

967
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.019
Unfortunately, we are in this position where there's so much 90s

968
00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:01.320
straight.

969
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:03.300
We've just gotta do more of that than anything else.

970
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.300
And to be fair, that is our 1st love.

971
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.519
That's where we came from.

972
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.139
That's what I get most excited.

973
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.760
Well, usually because it's absolutely 50-50 as to whether it's

974
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.300
going to be reasonable or just terrible.

975
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.059
And either way, we're going to have fun. absolutely.

976
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:32.340
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

977
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:35.400
find out what we're going to be talking about next.

978
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:40.920
This one was my choice, heavily influenced by you, I have to say.

979
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:42.719
But it's your turn now.

980
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:45.659
So tell us which series are we going to be choosing from?

981
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.820
Heavily influenced by me.

982
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:48.539
What are you talking about?

983
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:53.280
I rolled it last time and then it was crisis and then you said, yes

984
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.739
no, we're just doing that because that was an episode that you

985
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:56.219
really like.

986
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.239
I think I had said to you as well, I was going to choose lower

987
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:00.719
decks.

988
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:01.559
Yeah, yeah.

989
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.639
I thought it was me last week.

990
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:03.360
I don't know.

991
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:05.219
I just love...

992
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:06.719
I love pressing the button. why.

993
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:08.760
So I'm going to do it right now.

994
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:13.260
Oh, I've put in every show again because I was just like, I like

995
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:15.420
bouncing around the franchise like this.

996
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:16.079
Okay.

997
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:19.800
Just let me remind people at home that all they need to do is go

998
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.639
to untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser and they too

999
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.039
can experience the simple joy of pressing the button.

1000
00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:27.179
Have you pressed the button?

1001
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.340
Oh, have press the button?

1002
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:32.760
I don't know if we could do this one, no.

1003
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.800
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode.

1004
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:42.000
We have done quite a bit of voyager lately, is season two, episode

1005
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.019
15.

1006
00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:45.239
Threshold.

1007
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:47.639
You're joking.

1008
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:48.360
We're doing it.

1009
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:49.440
Obviously we're doing it.

1010
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.760
Yeah, it's there.

1011
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:51.300
We're doing it.

1012
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.079
We're definitely doing it.

1013
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:53.760
How can we roll that and then not do it?

1014
00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:55.019
You've got to be kidding me.

1015
00:43:55.079 --> 00:44:00.599
It's the scene. worst hour of television in human history.

1016
00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:03.900
It's got so much of the worst Robert in it.

1017
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.639
It's so much worse, Robert.

1018
00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:07.500
It's absolutely unentertaining.

1019
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.920
It's actively appallingly repellent to watch.

1020
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:13.500
Repellent.

1021
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.119
It's just gross.

1022
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:16.139
It's awful.

1023
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.980
There's no not a scintiller of entertainment to be had.

1024
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.139
It's utterly dreadful. makeup.

1025
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.019
The ending that makes no sense for whatsoever.

1026
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.260
How do you de- evolve somebody from a lizard back to...

1027
00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:29.039
Oh my god.

1028
00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:29.760
Yeah.

1029
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:33.239
No, but that's, you know, Beverly Crusher has turned Barkley from

1030
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.500
being a spider.

1031
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.300
Oh, no, what does he use a spider?

1032
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.300
Yeah, he is. is still reasonably Barclay shaped.

1033
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.559
The lizard.

1034
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.400
I could fit in my hands.

1035
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.840
No, they're big.

1036
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:45.239
They're big. anyway, we have to do it.

1037
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:46.980
You can't roll that and then not do it.

1038
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.719
I'm sorry, but that's a rule.

1039
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:50.760
We're going back to Voyager again.

1040
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:51.960
Jesus Christ.

1041
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.320
That's more time than I like to spend with Robert Duncan McNeil

1042
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:55.500
though.

1043
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.760
Much more time.

1044
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:57.659
Yeah.

1045
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.840
Oh, it's all his daddy issues in there as well.

1046
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.699
That's the worst thing about it.

1047
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.239
I've got lots to say already and I haven't even rewatched it.

1048
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.940
Ted Barry, even though we've already seem to have done that in the

1049
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:09.659
next generation.

1050
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:10.980
Oh, my God.

1051
00:45:11.099 --> 00:45:11.639
All right.

1052
00:45:11.699 --> 00:45:15.119
Well, we can't promise that we'll be as positive as we were about

1053
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:15.900
this week's episode.

1054
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:16.679
No.

1055
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.380
I think we can promise you that we won't be.

1056
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:22.739
An entertaining ride of the levels of sub-rosa.

1057
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.000
Yeah, yeah.

1058
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.219
This is much worse than sub Rosa.

1059
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:38.219
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1060
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:42.480
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1061
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.360
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1062
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:46.260
media accounts.

1063
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.400
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1064
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.260
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1065
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.579
This episode was recorded on the 7th of November 2023 and released

1066
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:57.900
on the 10th of November.

1067
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.099
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Threshold.

1068
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:20.579
I don't believe it.

1069
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.960
It's aw.

1070
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:26.639
But remember what was the one where I said, have you rolled, like

1071
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.980
have you, like, what was the previous shit one?

1072
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.360
It was Subway, was it?

1073
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:30.900
subr?

1074
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.000
Yeah, that was the one where I'd say, have you rolled sub rosa?

1075
00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:34.739
And you went, yes, it's sub Rosa.

1076
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.679
Wow.

1077
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.659
There we are.

1078
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.519
It's like the 3rd time in a row or something that we've done the

1079
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.260
1st one that we've rolled as well.

1080
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.719
Did we?

1081
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.460
Yeah, no, I think it is.

1082
00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:52.679
Definitely last week's.

1083
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:54.000
And definitely Muse.

1084
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.980
Yeah, Muse. was our 1st pick as well.

1085
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:56.940
Yeah.

1086
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:59.760
Although then we will have the rest forager for a bit.

1087
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:01.860
We've done like five, I think, in the last 10.

1088
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:04.800
Yeah.

1090
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:06.780
Oh my god.

1091
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:08.460
Ball kids.

1092
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:09.780
Yeah.

1093
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.420
Oh, and actually, this gives us a chance to say that, you know

1094
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:13.559
even though we like series 2.

1095
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:18.119
Um, It can still make some huge mistakes.

1096
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:19.920
I didn't realise it was series too.

1097
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:23.400
So series 2 has shitty high concept, things like twisted and

1098
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:23.699
stuff.

1099
00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:25.260
Is that series 2?

1100
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.199
So it's all the 1st half of series 2?

1101
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.719
This just edges into the 2nd half of series 2.

1102
00:47:30.900 --> 00:47:34.440
You've just had the brilliant one where the case will not attack

1103
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.179
you know, where the shuttle goes into the ship.

1104
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.340
Like a, like a knife in our belly.

1105
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:39.719
That, yeah, that episode.

1106
00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:44.880
Um, and then you get Resistance, which is the Joel Gray episode

1107
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.039
down on the planet, which is really great.

1108
00:47:47.099 --> 00:47:48.360
It's a great Kate episode.

1109
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:49.500
Then you get this.

1110
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.059
And then you get Death Wish, I think, Death Wish.

1111
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:56.880
So we have done in the last 10.

1112
00:47:57.300 --> 00:48:01.500
So not including this one, the ones that are up on the on the

1113
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:06.900
website as we record, collective, assignment Earth, if memory

1114
00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:12.239
serves, rocks and shoals, the price, then we need 2 for one

1115
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.099
equinox and equinox part two.

1116
00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:22.739
The Galileo 7 resolutions, Keshara, and Muse.

1117
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.420
So there is 5 voyages.

1118
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:25.679
So this is a sick Voyager.

1119
00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:30.420
Yeah, in fact, we've done Muse Keshara resolution, so we will have

1120
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:34.619
done 3 voyages out of the last four.

1121
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.500
But Muse and Resolutions were both good.

1122
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.539
Yeah, it's a nice mix, isn't it?

1123
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.360
Your equinox where we, there was a ton of contention.

1124
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:45.059
Collective that was just so boring.

1125
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:45.900
Boring.

1126
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:49.019
This is actively repellent.

1127
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.159
Like, it's so awesome. for you to go to the town on the movie.

1128
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:54.780
Oh my god, I hate it so much.

1129
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.159
Have you watched it recently?

1130
00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:00.420
In the last couple of years, I have, yeah.

1131
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.719
I haven't seen it for probably a decade this one.

1132
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:07.920
I was just shocked by how lacking in entertainment value it was.

1133
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:13.260
Like, there were just no scenes at all where I, and like, like

1134
00:49:13.260 --> 00:49:16.440
obviously the worst Robert is the worst Robert for a reason, he's

1135
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.039
terrible.

1136
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:22.380
But like when he's like...

1137
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.159
Oh, he's got...

1138
00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:25.619
And he's going, he's just going sort of, no.

1139
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:29.400
And daddy, he's having, he's talking about his father and stuff

1140
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.860
which is just like, like, and what's it about?

1141
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.780
Like, I don't even know what it's about.

1142
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.679
You know, and like, like, it's just not about anything.

1143
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.699
You know, like, I think this is this is bragger doing that.

1144
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.460
You know how he said he wanted to do it and make it sort of a bit

1145
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:45.960
ex-file, he's a bit gross.

1146
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:49.679
I think this is like his last ditch attempt to do something like

1147
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:49.920
that.

1148
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:52.380
Yeah, but it's so...

1149
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:55.559
And it's a serialised show where he's going to be fine next week

1150
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.239
and thankfully we'll never speak of it again until Lower Decks

1151
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:00.659
comes along.