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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back in Star Trek, the original series, and it's series one, and I'm going to say episode 16, although maybe it's 13.

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One more, 17.

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17.

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It depends on how we counted, I think.

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But we haven't done much series one before.

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And so this is interesting.

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This is kind of from the 1st run of Star Trek, and I imagine it's from a time where they don't know what their reception is yet.

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And so this is very definitely the Spock episode that they've decided to do.

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You know, I think that in that respect it succeeds quite well and it does such a good job that it becomes, I think, a template for some later episodes in the franchise, but in other respects.

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It's kind of a bit of a failure.

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Some later episodes.

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The shuttle crash becomes a Star Trek cliche, doesn't it?

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There's a bit of a joke on.

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Well, no, it's not a joke.

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That's the problem on Voyager, that a shuttle crashes sort of twice a year.

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They lose a shuttle, but they keep going, we've got a full complement of shuttles.

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You know?

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The sort of thing lower decks should be taking their Mickey out.

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You know, I figured after creating a ton of moral complexity that didn't exist in the equinox that we would skip back to TOS and have a rip roaring adventure because the last one we did was assignment Earth, where we effectively just laugh for 50 minutes, solid.

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Yeah, had a great time.

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This was a little less adventurous and colourful and exciting than I like my TOS.

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Like, I'm not going to say I wasn't bored throughout this.

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And the Scott McNulty, every TOS episode is 10 minutes long.

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Two minutes too long.

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I mean, I said to you, I think it's about 25 minutes too long.

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This would make a good animated series episode, I think.

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Just enough to get him down on the planet, have him sort of go into his logical dilemma, find a way out of it and we're back on the ship again.

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Cut out all those interminable scenes on the Enterprise where they're like, wow, have we found him yet?

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No, okay.

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So I actually don't mind some of that stuff, because that's the sort of procedural stuff, and this is the 1st time we get to see them searching a planet for people or whatever, or maybe it's not.

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We certainly see it later.

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But this episode reminded me more than anything else of Redemption 2.

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And there's a B plot in redemption too, where remember all the senior officers on the enterprise are assigned to other ships and they're, I don't know, they're doing something with the Romulans or something and and data gets assigned to the Sutherland and there's a guy there called Lieutenant Hobson who questions his ability to command because he's a robot who doesn't experience human emotions.

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And I think that that is very likely taken from this where you've got Boma, um, the handsome, uh, is he a lieutenant?

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I don't know, but the handsome Starfleet officer who is on the Galileo constantly questioning, and in fact, the other characters as well, questioning Spock's fitness to command because he's not a proper person who experiences human emotions.

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That's, uh, that's Beaumont without the apostrophe for anyone who's paying attention.

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Well, that stuff was actually pretty good.

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And it's Led Nemoy.

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So he make this is his 1st big shining a light on Spock episode.

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He's quoted as saying, actually, that he didn't think he did a great job in this on memory alpha.

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And that because Shatner wasn't there, he felt a little nervous, sort of taking this much of the limelight.

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So Shatner's gotten them all so scared at this point, you know.

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How dare you take the focus?

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But I do think we sort of do the same set piece over and over again, you know, the monster attacks.

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Spock for acts in a certain way that ain't working out.

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They all condemn him because he's not feeling the emotions.

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And we do that about 3 times before he finally figures away off the planet.

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Yeah.

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It's good.

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I see what they're doing.

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And what you said there about when this came out.

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I think 2 episodes are transmitted at this point.

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So from creating the episodes to them going out, it was about 15 episodes apart.

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Right.

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They knew Spot was instantly popular and this was commissioned quickly because they wanted to give him the limelight because there's been such a great reaction to him in those first too.

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And, you know, as we go along, they will keep giving Spock lots of work because he is the most interesting character on this show.

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I think.

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One thing I did like about this was it gives a chance to have lots of scenes between Spock and McCoy, where McCoy wasn't coming across as an incredible racist for once, but actually, it was sort of gentle criticism rather than some of the pointy ear bollocks that we get usually.

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He seems to be on Spock's side a bit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. it's nice What was a shame was that all those other subsidiary characters on the shuttle apart from Beaumar.

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But Ma, whatever it is.

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They didn't really get much focus at all.

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I said, you, what was the woman there for?

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And you were like, well, she's a section, she's taking notes. they literally say that.

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She's there to record everything.

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She's literally doing stenography.

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Fucking hell on her. on the ship is just there at her console every now and again saying something technical.

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Yeah.

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No, she's doing the phones and then this lady is, is, uh, her name's Phyllis Douglas as Yeoman Mears and she's hit me here to take notes about the, uh, away mission.

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But, as you said, this is a template for a lot of episodes to come, that's for a reason because it works.

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Yeah.

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I know if it works spectacularly here, but the potential is there.

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And, you know, you get episodes like DS9's waltz, when Cisco and you can't crash the shuttlecraft on the planet and you can't see all those crazy visions and things, like you get some great stuff out of this premise.

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So, yeah, I'm pleased I did it.

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Yeah, well, I think the most recent season of Discovery had an episode called All is Possible, which was Tilly's last regular episode, and she and a deer crash on a moon with a group of cadets, you know, in a very similar sort of circumstance, there's a monster outside as well, and they have to kind of work out how to deal with a monster when they're cadets that have all kinds of possible, you know, into species conflicts and historical beefs and stuff.

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And it sounds properly an interesting episode.

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What about battle lines?

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Do you remember battle lines when they take the kai through the wormhole and the shuttlecraft crashes on that planet where nobody can die and she's stuck in that perpetual cycle of violence?

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That's another good.

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So they're all, and all those episodes are doing more interesting things than a man in a monkey suit, a 2nd than with a spear.

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It's so bad We'll get there, but that monster is so bad.

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And I had kind of forgotten how incredibly low effort it is.

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It's really bad.

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I can't wait to make fun of it.

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One thing you said in the thread.

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I will go in in a sec.

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But one thing that really stood out to me when we were talking about this beforehand was when you said how TOS veers between being surprisingly very good television.

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That's really enjoyable and just being the deer of what they were bringing out in the 60s.

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And I think this episode's somewhere in the middle.

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It's got a bit of both.

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It's got some great character work.

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And I think some of the production value is, oh, okay, you know, you're going to say the production value is terrible.

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I know you are.

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Okay.

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Some of the acting is very good.

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Yeah, but it is a bit boring.

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It is a bit long and the monster is shockingly shit.

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I think there's one bit, you know, where the monsters attacking a man and they haven't even bothered to put the head on him.

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I don't think there's a head.

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I don't even know what it is Like, I think it's just like a bean guide.

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You know, like a huge fur coat.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it's men in fur coats.

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Giant 12 foot man in fur coats inhabit this planet, apparently.

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Pretty crap.

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So I won't say this is a sort of topple TOS because I always think this is the most fun shows to talk about on Star Trek project, but it is probably the most boring one we've done of the lot so far.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't think Spock's brain is as much fun as everyone else thinks it is.

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You're mad.

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I was pretty bored by that Brain, brain.

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What a brain.

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I know, I know.

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All right, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I want to watch Spock's brain.

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Yeah, Discovery.

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All right.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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You said to me that you originally watched this with the special effects of the time, and I watched this with the new effects.

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So perhaps you can give me a little insight as to how this nebula looked originally.

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Yeah, it just looked like cigarette smoke.

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Essentially someone has taken a photo of some cigarette smoke and put a bit of a green tint on it.

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We're still preserving the green, but it just doesn't look like anything.

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I actually did see this version that you're watching with the new special effects, but then I went back and looked at what the original special effects look like.

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You know, if you go to memory alpha, they do a wonderful contrail.

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So all special effects in pictures, which is, you know, they're doing their duty for us.

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Yeah.

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So this guy, so this is what is he?

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His name is something.

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Commander, Commissioner Ferris, and he is really not very good, and the relationship here is in no way believable.

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Oh, isn't it?

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It's really boring.

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This is a stock Star Trek character, this.

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The person that comes on the ship and is going, I'm not having any delays, you know, we've got to get to where we're going.

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And then obviously the plot takes us off and there are plenty of delays.

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Yeah, I didn't get anything from him at all. not from the performance.

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And usually, you know, we had the intransient person in trouble with triples.

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Do you remember?

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And he was great fun.

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Yeah, well, because Shatner is making...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's great.

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Yes.

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Look at these special effects in the shuttle bay.

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Yeah, they look pretty good.

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They're tasty.

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Yeah.

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I like the fact that they've made the exterior shuttlecraft. say it as well on the planet.

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Yeah, well, I think that's a big thing.

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And you might remember that the reason that we have transporters is that we didn't think we'd be able to afford this.

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And it turns out that all of the footage, and I only know this from memory alpha, so I couldn't vouch for this personally.

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But all of the footage of the shuttlecraft going from place to place comes from this episode and is then just reused later episodes whenever they need a shuttlecraft.

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But they build a full-size shuttlecraft.

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A bit like the Enterprise shots from encounter a foul point. make it through all 7 seasons of Star Trek, the Nation, right?

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Oh, look at this shot of how they're all lined up in the shuttle. 3 this side, 3 this side, camera in the middle.

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Yeah.

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And the and the thing is that they can't afford to realise the windows, so we can't see space out the front window.

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And so that's why the camera's there.

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And it actually makes the scene look surprisingly boring.

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I see that Yeoman Mears has still been... got her filter. you notice that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Second week up to her.

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There's like a mist.

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There's some Vaseline on the field, on the lens.

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Do you know how short they are of sort of looking at them all head on?

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It reminded me very much of the Enterprise D bridge set, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So designers were paying attention.

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We're meeting Don Marshall as Boehmer and he is very pretty.

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And he does spoiler alert survive the entire episode.

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I was absolutely convinced as an attractive black man in 60s television that he was going to die.

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So that was my one.

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I love that, the fact that he's not.

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Yeah, yeah. he was talking back to the white people in the show.

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It was kind of hard to imagine that he wasn't going to be punished for it.

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But it turns out in a later book, in a later book, uh, we learned that uh, Mr. Scott does report him for insubordination and he is stripped of his uh, commission.

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Well, of course, you know.

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The 2nd he started arguing against Spock.

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I'm like, well, the episode's never, ever going to be against Spock, you know, he's our popular character.

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What's a how occurring here?

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By the way, did you hear what the name of the colony was?

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They are just taking the...

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No, it's called Mockus 3, the planet.

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Mock, yeah.

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Taking a piss.

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They're not even trying.

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Look, this weird shot too.

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This is such a weird shot.

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It's just to get a shell in, isn't it?

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We just sort of wanted to get our legs in the shot, you know?

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Yeah, why is he blowing the frame?

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Yeah, that's it.

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I still maintain, though, that there is more ambition and imagination in the camera work of original Star Trek than there was in 90s Trek.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, 90s, you know, has a house style, and I remember being impressed by it at the time.

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It looked modern to me, but like I probably wasn't watching any other 90s television.

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So I wouldn't have really.

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The thing is, when we're watching 90s trek, you and I point out when there is a shot that is different from the norm, which goes to show just how dull it normally is.

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Yeah that's right.

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Well, I was very pleased about in this episode was that they bring in the studio planetary set. which we haven't seen in Untitled Star Trek Project for at least 20 episodes.

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I'm starting to worry if it was all a myth because we've been on out of location about 3 times in the last 5 episodes.

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When I can't think of Spectre of the Gun, maybe.

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It was a long time ago.

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Yeah, and that was that...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, a mock time, that would be it.

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I think that's definitely it.

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Um, Yes.

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So.

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Like, I kind of, I mean, I kind of like some of these procedural stuff on the ship.

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I think it's the least interesting thing.

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So, you know, we have an A plot and a B plot.

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The A plot is the Galileo 7 stranded on the um, planet having to survive and perhaps having to make their, oh, look, she's brought the coffee, brilliant drinks for everybody.

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Oh, for the man. so awful.

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But anyway.

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It's so embarrassing, isn't it?

219
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That they can't picture, like people can be on spaceships and stuff, but we can't imagine anything for the women to do other than bring drinks, answer the phones or taste stenography.

220
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That's right.

221
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Oh, look at Nichelle though.

222
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She's doing a job.

223
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She's bringing them the readings and stuff.

224
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The day we get the very last episode, you know, the body swap episode with the crazy woman and I really want to see how they depict.

225
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I woman that wants to be in command in the original series.

226
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She says that women can't be Starfleet Starship captains in that episode.

227
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So this is great, isn't it?

228
00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:30.779
Like that, that, that's a full size shuttle that they've built and that they've put on the, on the stupid, um, set and that's where all the money's gone because the planet looks lamentably bad.

229
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It is, and there's no sort of dry ice.

230
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It's too bright.

231
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Everything's too bright.

232
00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.500
So, and the sky has no depth to it at all, you know?

233
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they can, they can do these perspective sets, but there's no effort to do that here at all.

234
00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:50.820
So it just, it feels like they're in quite a small room on location.

235
00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.220
They can't do convincing blood on Boehmer's face.

236
00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:56.279
Yeah, it's sort of purple, isn't it?

237
00:16:56.340 --> 00:16:56.940
Yeah, yeah.

238
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He must be Klingon.

239
00:16:58.019 --> 00:17:00.059
What are they trying to suggest?

240
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I'm not going there.

241
00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:04.200
I'm not sure why Scotty's in this area.

242
00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:05.160
He don't do an awful lot.

243
00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:09.960
No, he's here to lag on Boma later on when we go back.

244
00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:13.019
In fact, it's kind of funny because you have the two.

245
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I think you have the 2 other main leads on the show supporting Spock here.

246
00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:25.799
And I guess that's why Nichelle gets to do a little bit more on the bridge because there's really no one else there.

247
00:17:25.859 --> 00:17:29.519
Is that there's Sulu at this point, but that's all.

248
00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.819
Sulu barely gets aligned, does he?

249
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in this?

250
00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

251
00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:41.940
I mean, the focus is on Nemo, and I can see why, because I can't take my eyes off him whenever he's on the screen.

252
00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:46.380
And there's certain sequences in the middle of this episode where he's losing his shit.

253
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He's getting a bit angry where I'm really south and started paying attention.

254
00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:58.500
It reminded me a bit of the Nemoy in the original pilot, you know, where he was a bit more emotional before they decided to tone him down a bit.

255
00:17:58.559 --> 00:17:59.339
Yeah.

256
00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.539
It's nice though.

257
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Chance to do some proper acting.

258
00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.119
But I do like it.

259
00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:09.599
I do like because he is being sort of annoying.

260
00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:20.940
So, you know, um, McCoy has these sort of homely ways of talking about the the atmosphere and stuff and comparing it to, you know, it would make a great summer resort or whatever.

261
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And he's kind of trying to get him to stick to the fact.

262
00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:26.519
So we're bringing that conflict in really early.

263
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And I don't mind the conflict.

264
00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:34.319
Like I think, you know, it's a pity.

265
00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:34.680
I'm sorry.

266
00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:36.599
I'm just seeing the yeoman there.

267
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She's just got the thing and she's twiddling the knob and she's gone to it.

268
00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.000
You're taking this all down, aren't you?

269
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She goes of course, sir.

270
00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.059
And then she looks so bored, the actress.

271
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She's just sitting there twiddling Miss North.

272
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Playing with the tricorder bra.

273
00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:50.519
Whilst the boys will go off to have fun, you know?

274
00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:52.859
Oh, it's terrible.

275
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.400
So the boys are kind of terrible though, aren't they?

276
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So we have Latimer.

277
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And we have uh, who else?

278
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We've got Gaetano, and they're both kind of terrible.

279
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Oh, we go.

280
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I think, like, because he's just said that we might be here for a long time, doctor, but they are going to be stranded on this planet for the rest of their lives.

281
00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:16.200
Is that what they're trying to convince us?

282
00:19:16.259 --> 00:19:18.900
No, I don't know.

283
00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:26.819
I mean, we've already established that it's a hard place to locate because of the green nebula thing.

284
00:19:27.299 --> 00:19:29.579
Oh, they can't even beam people.

285
00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:32.279
See this?

286
00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:35.220
They beam down some practice stuff and it came up looking weird.

287
00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.240
Michelle's trying to do some accent air beyond.

288
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She's pushing a few buttons.

289
00:19:40.619 --> 00:19:44.039
She's touching her ear every now and again as she's getting a signal coming in.

290
00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:48.420
See, Celia has so many more buttons to play with on Strange New Worlds.

291
00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:55.500
I don't see, I don't, women don't usually sit at a desk like that though, with their legs out for us all to look at.

292
00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.099
But there's no space under that desk.

293
00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:01.500
See how, do you know what I mean?

294
00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:03.299
Like, it's absolutely designed.

295
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.400
You usually face the desk.

296
00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:06.420
But you can't.

297
00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.200
Do you see what I mean?

298
00:20:07.259 --> 00:20:13.140
Like that desk is like it doesn't, it's so badly designed that you can't swing around and put your legs under it.

299
00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:22.980
I always love the ones, those ridiculous ones on the Enterprise D, where they seem to have like pull out chairs that you can sit at the panels with.

300
00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:23.880
Have you seen them?

301
00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:25.920
At least they thought of their kung fu.

302
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:35.460
I like, you know, with a recently discovered alcove at the side in Voyager. you know, where someone's sort of tucked away in there. sitting there, pressing buttons.

303
00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:40.859
It probably feels like it's the safest person in the ship because it's like, well, none of the rocks are going to get in here, are they?

304
00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:41.819
I'm in very small space.

305
00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.799
Oh, here we go.

306
00:20:43.859 --> 00:20:45.359
Right. they're sending out another shuttle?

307
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.160
Yeah, the Columbus.

308
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.059
That is fantastic.

309
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:52.799
I love that shuttle set.

310
00:20:52.859 --> 00:20:56.759
And in fact, it's obscuring the terrible planet set at the moment as well.

311
00:20:56.819 --> 00:21:00.720
So it's doing a double job, which is just sort of chicken wire, isn't it?

312
00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:04.859
And sort of papier mesh, you know, like it's really not very good.

313
00:21:05.819 --> 00:21:17.940
I just wonder what Deforest Kelly and let it need my fault as they're standing there on this planetary landscape, trying to make a, or jumpstart, a space shuttle, where their careers had gone.

314
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.460
Like, you know, he was doing Westerns before this, wasn't he?

315
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:21.299
Defra Kelly.

316
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:26.460
I mean, this is Western, you know, like they must have just been pinching themselves going, we're getting paid to do this.

317
00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:28.019
It's great.

318
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:29.160
This look pretty great.

319
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:47.160
I mean, I really like, like Spock is such an interesting character and like here, we're getting him talking about his attitude towards command and him thinking that making logical decisions is the best way of, you know, exercising your authority.

320
00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:50.759
And he's right quite a lot of the time, I think.

321
00:21:50.819 --> 00:22:00.059
And I think, you know, the episode tries to prove him wrong at the end by having him with that lamentable final joke.

322
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:01.200
Well, it's not even a joke.

323
00:22:01.259 --> 00:22:01.859
No.

324
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:03.180
Yeah, yeah, no, that's terrible.

325
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:09.900
But I mean, I mean, at the end where he kind of goes, oh, screw it, I'm just going to vent all the plasma because we're going to be dead anyway, so let's just do that.

326
00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:17.400
Um, and that's, so he takes a gamble and wins and that scene is not being particularly logical.

327
00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:18.779
Although in a sense, I think it is.

328
00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.380
They try and give it an emotional reading, don't they, at the end?

329
00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:25.980
In a way that feels like sort of school ground bullying.

330
00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:34.619
They're sort of whispering amongst themselves and then they go over to Spock and saying, oh, Spock, you know, at that logical decision that you made. you sure it wasn't an emotional one.

331
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.299
I'm like, what are we doing?

332
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:43.440
So here we're talking about the fact that we've got to lose some people, uh, if we, if we want to take off again.

333
00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:46.799
We don't have, you know, we've got to lose 3 people.

334
00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.940
And Spock's saying, well, I will have to choose then in that case.

335
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.640
And like, I don't think that's any different from anyone else in that situation.

336
00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:57.839
Do you know what I mean?

337
00:22:57.900 --> 00:22:59.700
Like, I don't know quite what they're expecting.

338
00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.440
I mean, obviously the right thing to do is to find another way of doing it.

339
00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:05.700
Do you know what I mean?

340
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.980
But I don't know that Spock's not open to that.

341
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:24.059
And I think the best bit of this whole conflict is when he gets angry at them for going out to rescue him. because he's logical, which means that he's not favouring his own survival over theirs.

342
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:25.680
There's no reason to do that.

343
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:28.500
And so he'll be logical even when it costs him.

344
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:47.099
Whereas everyone else is saying, oh, you won't let us bury little Billy, whatever his name is, Latimer, this kid here, the blonde kid, you know, you won't let us bury him, and Boemer actually, and he, like when Boemer says we need to go out and bury it, it might even be, does Gaetana get killed as well?

345
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:47.640
Yeah, he does.

346
00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:52.680
Um, I think we, you know, we go out to bury Gitano and Spot goes with him eventually.

347
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:56.640
He can't dissuade him, and so he goes with him, and he's prepared to put himself at risk.

348
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:58.380
You know, he's saying there's a great risk here.

349
00:23:58.440 --> 00:23:59.700
I don't think we should do it.

350
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.579
He says I'm going to do it anyway, and Spot goes out with him.

351
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.859
You know, like, I think that Spock actually comes off pretty well here.

352
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:08.880
Oh, for out.

353
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:09.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

354
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:12.299
I thought I thought he was the character with integrity throughout this.

355
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:19.559
That premise then of exploring Spock's logic and everybody else's reactions to it in this sort of situation of jeopardy.

356
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:22.380
Does that have 50 minutes worth of material in it?

357
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.779
Well, no, I don't think it does.

358
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.759
Oh, no.

359
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:27.839
Here we go.

360
00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:32.759
Jesus Christ, so there goes...

361
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.660
Who suddenly turns into the stunt performer and then falls off the cliff.

362
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:42.839
I thought for a 2nd because that spear was so enormous that we were in sort of planet of the giants territory, you know?

363
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:46.740
that everyone was very small and the monster was massive.

364
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:52.920
So the dialogue says that they're sort of 12 feet tall, but obviously it's just some big guy.

365
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.559
Like, I don't even know who plays the monster.

366
00:24:56.099 --> 00:24:59.400
But, um, he's just shooting into the myth there.

367
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:00.119
Did you say?

368
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:00.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

369
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:02.700
Open to randomly hit this creature.

370
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:22.079
But the, I mean, the thing is, right, they've got these massive spears, and like a spear travels really very quickly, and that's why it goes through you because it has a lot of force, but all I have is like stage hands listlessly tossing the thing into shot.

371
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:23.880
There's a bit later, right?

372
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.880
where there's about 6 spears being thrown.

373
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:30.900
But there's only supposed to be one creature, but they're coming from about 8 directions.

374
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.660
No, no, no, there's more than one creature, I think, at that point.

375
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:43.740
But, like, the way that they throw the spears is so limp, like, look how lightweight it looks.

376
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.599
It looks like a fountain pen, doesn't it?

377
00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:53.039
Oh, remarkable, says Spock.

378
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.660
The old world calendar is very strange, isn't it?

379
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.220
Because, yeah.

380
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.119
It's because we have space star dates now, I guess.

381
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.960
Because we go back in the past so often, it's fresh in their minds.

382
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.900
And every time I see that name Beaumont, you know.

383
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.180
Yeah, he's doing a good job.

384
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.140
See, I liked all of this.

385
00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:16.920
When he's going, there's a man dead there and spot's going, well, that's not going to help our situation, is it?

386
00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:17.339
Come on.

387
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.359
Yeah.

388
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.799
Yeah, like and he's being reasonable.

389
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:29.160
Like, I think, I think too, there's something a little bit odd about their insistence on burying the 2 men.

390
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.579
It seems to me.

391
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.839
Star Trek, do we?

392
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:37.500
No, it seems like.

393
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.019
It does seem like an old-fashioned way of thinking.

394
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:53.819
I mean, we do bury people and it's important that the bodies of our dead loved ones are treated properly and we're horrified to learn that, you know, when they're being eaten by wild beasts or whatever, cut up by medical students and brought to a party.

395
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:59.819
I thought most for the most part, people were just sent off in like torpedo tubes and things.

396
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.460
Yeah, that comes, that's from Star Trek 3, isn't it?

397
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:03.960
Two, Star Trek two.

398
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:05.279
Oh, no, wait.

399
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:09.059
Do you remember in Endgame, when Janeway buries Chakotay.

400
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.380
That's a grave side, isn't it?

401
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.400
Yeah, yeah.

402
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:26.220
So, so, like, the bearing the dead is a thing, but it just seems to be a little bit more like, like mid 20th century, a little bit a little bit more kind of religious than we are now.

404
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.559
And I think that we'd be less shocked in a military situation or a survival situation.

405
00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:34.440
If someone said, actually, no, you can't go outside to bathe the dead.

406
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:37.200
I know it's terrible, but it's too dangerous, you know.

407
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:44.700
It seems a very unusual thing to insist on doing in a situation of peril.

408
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:49.500
So it's literally just there in the script to highlight that Spock seems a bit cold.

409
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.920
Yeah, but to us, he seems reasonable.

410
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:58.019
Well, we determined this last week, you know, I'm a bit of a git.

411
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.299
I always did.

412
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:01.680
Let's get on with it.

413
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:02.819
I love this too.

414
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:09.960
So this thing is, why does it make any difference if we start skipping bits on the planet surface?

415
00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:19.019
Because we, like if we just search one contiguous area, or if we skip, we go 2 degrees and we skip bits in between our passes.

416
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.539
What difference does that make?

417
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.880
Like, we're still discovering the same amount?

418
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:25.079
I don't know what's happening there.

419
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:34.559
I would have preferred if they had taken the walks approach with those scenes, where it's not so much the procedure of what they're doing, because that's kind of boring.

420
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:37.500
It's just a load of technobabble, but it was actually character scenes.

421
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.900
So in Walsh, you get conflict because they're having to go off to go to the next war thing or whatever.

422
00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:47.880
And so they've got 3 more planets they can go to before they got our abandoned Cisco.

423
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.740
And there's lots of character conflicts.

424
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.259
There's none of that going on on the bridge at all.

425
00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:52.859
Well, there is.

426
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.180
Ferris and and and Kirk is supposed to be having that conflict.

427
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:59.819
But it's so kind of...

428
00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:02.400
I don't think we care too much about Mr. Ferris though, do we?

429
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:07.140
But what about the people of new Paris who are suffering from the play?

430
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.099
Oh, that's another great Star Trek cliche, isn't it?

431
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:11.460
You know.

432
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:13.440
Beverly Crusher running in.

433
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:15.119
The terrible plague on this plane.

434
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.380
We don't get there, Jean-Luc.

435
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:17.460
They're all going to die.

436
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.220
Yeah, it's absolute word parallel.

437
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:25.319
It's completely fake urgency and they need it for some reason.

438
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:33.180
So of like TOS, you know, setting the staff down and the other show's all picking it up and running with it.

439
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.599
You know, the template was here.

440
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:38.099
They did a good job.

441
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.180
I just think, like, it's super inept, isn't it?

443
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:53.759
That the conversations between Ferris, and you're right to compare it to Trouble with Tribbles, where you've got another intransigent guy, where that relationship is funny, and Shatner's enjoying it.

444
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.220
They don't seem to like you, Mr. Barris.

445
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:56.819
I wonder why.

446
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:01.619
You don't get any conclusion like that, Ian.

447
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:02.940
No.

448
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.640
I've got guards around the green.

449
00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:07.319
I've got guards around the tribbles.

450
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.440
Chat that's not having any fun.

451
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:12.720
That's another big sticking point, you know.

452
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.200
Yeah, oh, Spock's having all the fun in it.

453
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:20.460
Maybe he's got the shits because he's not the focus of the episode.

454
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.140
That's entirely possible.

455
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.420
Oh that's sad.

456
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:24.900
Look at it.

457
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.339
Look at the wrong.

458
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.500
And the painted rock?

459
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.299
Yeah, the rocks are terrible.

460
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.200
Oh, there is an attempt at a perspective shot there.

461
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:38.519
There's a small bit at the bottom of the backstrop where you can see something in the.

462
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.319
Yeah, they've painted a rock on there.

463
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:40.920
Yeah.

464
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:45.900
I think this is a true testament to the actors, you know, to convince us that they're on an alien planet.

465
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:50.640
Oh, at least they're lovely ladies come out of the shit.

466
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.359
She's gone outside.

467
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:52.019
Does she get a gun?

468
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.160
Did she get a gun?

469
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.779
I hope so.

470
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.079
She can't be sitting there twiddling that knob for the entirety of the episode.

471
00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:05.640
So so this is the bit where he gets it wrong.

472
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.299
Is that right?

473
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.099
I'm frequently appalled by the low regard you have for other life forms.

474
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.259
Yes, me too, Mr. Spong.

475
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:14.039
Me too.

476
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:14.759
That's really good.

477
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.900
Don't you think?

478
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:16.920
I think that's a great line.

479
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.599
And it's still a sort of restrained anger.

480
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.480
But you can tell when he's ready to go, you know, any minute.

481
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:29.940
But to take its life indiscriminately.

482
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.319
Yeah, exactly.

483
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:32.640
It's really good, isn't he?

484
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:34.319
And this, it's not a democracy.

485
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:35.339
Do you know what I mean?

486
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.019
I'm not interested in what you think.

487
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.339
We're going to do what I say.

488
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.380
We have duties to these life forms.

489
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.279
It's really...

490
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.359
If he was limping his way through the Delta Quadrant, he would have been murdering those slimers, would he?

491
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:46.380
No way.

492
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:52.200
That's always going to be my moral gauge now, you know.

493
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.420
She does have a gun.

494
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.319
Look, look, look, look.

495
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.299
You have a very short skirt.

496
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.980
Bustle dirt back off to the ship.

497
00:31:59.039 --> 00:31:59.579
Come on that.

498
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.359
You've had your moment.

499
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.440
You've had your moment in the sun.

500
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.880
You're trying to frighten.

501
00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:08.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:14.400
But he, he's wrong in a sense because that doesn't scare them off.

503
00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:20.640
Yeah, and they do come back and kill Gaetano, who is a bit of a dick anyway, so whatever.

504
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:24.180
Trouble is not conflicted because he's wrong, but he's pre, you know.

505
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.279
No, Bowman will survive.

506
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:26.880
He's fine.

507
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:30.900
Oh, now they've got a bit of dry ice in there, like, yeah.

508
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.339
Yeah, I know.

509
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.660
That sort of misty place.

510
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.859
Maybe it all should have been a bit.

511
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.460
Oh, here we go.

512
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.680
What the hell is that in the mist?

513
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:38.759
Is that one of those creatures?

514
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

515
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:44.819
Because it looks so shit that they're like...

516
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:46.019
Remember Alpha says, right?

517
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.700
Apparently the production team, they refused to shoot the face in close-up because it was so horrific.

518
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.059
I'm not sure it was dreadful.

519
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.180
I mean, like, oh, God, don't speak.

520
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.720
It's wearing a sort of jacket as well, isn't it, the monster?

521
00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:07.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

522
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:08.279
Yeah.

523
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.140
They're like, I'm saying monsters in jackets.

524
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.539
I'm sort of judging on their appearances here.

525
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.640
It could be a very nice fella.

526
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.079
Yeah, it could be.

527
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:19.619
He does seem to be gently throwing spears at them though.

528
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.559
This really is the upper end of the production value from Assignment Earth.

529
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:28.380
Remember when we was out on location in all the normal streets and that?

530
00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:28.920
It looks amazing.

531
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:38.819
Oh, well, remember how they used the planet set in Spectre of the Gun, which we just thought looked magnificent?

532
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:47.099
Well, it was that weird, the objects hanging in the air, and, yeah, they were they were doing British, trying to freak us out, but it worked.

533
00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:57.660
But I mean, the thing is that he's kind of upsetting is that they still think, you know, 30 years later that it's acceptable to realise an alien planet in this way.

534
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.240
For several...

535
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:07.140
In fact, wolves, which is season 6 of DS9 has one of these dreadful sets.

536
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.340
Oh, really?

537
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:11.519
Now, what they do in that is they fill it full of wind and lightning.

538
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:15.900
They've got the strobe light going to try and distract you, but you look at the backdrop.

539
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:17.340
It is just flame red, you know?

540
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.239
But you remember, you remember, um, was it the enemy?

541
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:34.199
Where that, do you remember it's the, um, the guy who we were unimpressed by in the masterpiece society, but this time he's a pretty injured Romulan who makes strange.

542
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:34.619
Yeah.

543
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.880
I can still see there's a huge sort of cliff face water and they're throwing in lots of water.

544
00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:40.739
So there's a storm going.

545
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.980
And so it's all running down and glistening. looks really impressive.

546
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:49.920
So Stockcave said one actually had a name during next gen, a, like the next one.

547
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.239
They called it Planet Hell, and, um, yeah, yeah.

548
00:34:54.300 --> 00:35:01.860
And it was mostly because, you know, like Marina would get sand in her contact lenses and everyone would get the shits and stuff like it was hell to shoot on it.

549
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.679
But, you know, like they did manage sometimes to make that look acceptable, I think.

550
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:16.440
I'm not sure we've seen a planetary set aside for inspector with a gun in TOS that they've, they've put too much of an effort into.

551
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:22.260
But I feel like they go they do go out on location more in the original series.

552
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:22.800
Yeah, I think they do.

553
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:23.460
Yep.

554
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.019
Yeah, for sure.

555
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:29.579
I'm wondering if in terms of budget, you know, if you sort of I know they were made in different times.

556
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.320
I wonder if TOS had a larger budget than the average 90s trek episode.

557
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.119
No, I don't know.

558
00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:37.019
I don't know.

559
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.239
I mean, they have a very definite kind of, I, you know, they're shooting 26 of these.

560
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:43.380
I don't know, I don't know.

561
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:51.599
Like other dramas at the time are outside all the time, but they're trying to realise alien planets outside and maybe that's what's expensive.

562
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:58.559
There was a bit of an issue here, you know, the way they were all sort of sitting around quite casually talking about the problems.

563
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:03.480
I'm like, we're not really getting the drama of this situation because everyone is very relaxed on the shuttle right now.

564
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.199
I do like the idea.

565
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:09.179
I mean, the phases thing is stupid.

566
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:16.500
Like they've all got enough power if you put our phases together to be our alternative power source, but it is actually quite a good idea, isn't it?

567
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.599
We have to use the phases so we can't use them to attack the whatever the hell those guys are.

568
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:25.920
It puts us in another disadvantageous position on this planet.

569
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:31.619
Which then means that we need the enterprise to find them all the more urgently.

570
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.760
Yeah.

571
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.460
So here we're beaming up some boxes and shearing.

572
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:41.039
Do you know, you can buy gift boxes just like that now, you know, those sort of silver ones that shine.

573
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.860
They look like space gift boxes, though.

574
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.559
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.

575
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:50.219
I didn't really find much interest at all in these enterprise scenes.

576
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:55.260
I guess if it's the kind of 1st time that we do it.

577
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.820
Like I've got...

578
00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:05.340
I've got a sort of soft spot for, you know, the people going to work for, you know, during the day on a starship and seeing what they do.

579
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.320
I think that is kind of fun.

580
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:13.079
Um, but it's, you know, something that's now been done 100 times since.

581
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:17.639
The thing is, is when we come back to the planet...

582
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.500
We come back to that planet.

583
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:24.000
We've got the stage ads throwing every bit of set, they can at these people, and that's much more fun.

584
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:27.900
What is he trying to do crawling up that rock face?

585
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.199
No, he's going to be menaced by...

586
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:32.519
Is this a clear shot of the guy?

587
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:36.539
This is the bit where the camera is literally following the creature.

588
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.900
So it looks like a man in a gets a costume. how bad that is.

589
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:41.699
That like, what is it?

590
00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.940
Well, you cut to a POV shop because it is so terrible.

591
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.460
But the fella actually looks like he's having quite a lot of fun.

592
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.599
The victim.

593
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.539
That's so better.

594
00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:59.039
The actor brings his hands down in a very unanimalistic like way.

595
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:02.460
Yeah, he's going roar.

596
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:06.420
You actually, you're not even wrong.

597
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.119
The noise is wrong.

598
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.000
That's so bad.

599
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.820
They couldn't have found an animal noise they could have treated.

600
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.719
It's clearly a person.

601
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:16.920
Yeah, yeah.

602
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.179
It's just...

603
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.920
It's so bad.

604
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:21.659
It's astoundingly bad.

605
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:28.079
I think the last time we saw a lazier creature on a planet was those primitives, remember?

606
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.760
Fox's brain down in the caves.

607
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.980
Yeah.

608
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.059
Remember?

609
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.840
Yeah.

610
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:45.179
But, I mean, there's a lot of B movie in Star Trek's DNA, and so, you know, I like it so much.

611
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.019
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:52.079
But I mean, that's pretty poor, even, I mean, we've had the Mugato or the Gamato or whatever they're called.

613
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:57.059
And they also look terrible, but nowhere near as terrible as that.

614
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.340
Sometimes they really surprise us.

615
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.039
I don't remember nomad floating about and things like that.

616
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.099
It's just, it's, I don't know.

618
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.119
Is it entirely dependent on the creativity of the designers that week?

619
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:13.199
Well, and what the directors feel I can do as well.

620
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:16.860
Like, you know, I don't know.

621
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:17.460
I don't know.

622
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:24.059
I don't know why you saw that the full body shot from behind if that thing advancing on Gaetana was so bad.

623
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:30.360
What you got to remember as well is we're now just over halfway through that 1st season.

624
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:34.019
So they're, we're in the sort of churning it out stage now.

625
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:34.860
Yeah.

626
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:45.659
So, and I think if you look at the sort of the 1st run of episodes, a lot of the production value is quite impressive, maybe a little bit of complacency is, is heading in.

627
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.159
Yeah, yeah.

628
00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:53.820
I, like, I think they're probably in a weird position where they can't work out yet quite what they can get away with as well.

629
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.400
And you say that on next gen too.

630
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.139
Sorry to interrupt you there.

631
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.159
No, it was nice before the, but you've got the rocks here.

632
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:09.719
It's being shot as if we're looking through lots of rocks and then there's loads of myths in the background to obscure the background of the scene.

633
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.920
Yeah, that's true.

634
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.239
I'm looking for something here.

635
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:13.440
No, no, no.

636
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:15.659
But those spears, like a...

637
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:25.199
It's just spears coming out from behind the things. because we can't afford to realise the monsters and the spears are just being gently tossed.

638
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:26.579
It's so bad.

639
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:27.960
Terrible.

640
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:28.920
Oh, I see.

641
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:30.239
There was a window in the show.

642
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.199
It was at the front there.

643
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:31.559
Look.

644
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:33.239
No, they've just opened it.

645
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:38.760
We did actually see that picture before and it, those were blank.

646
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:45.059
And so now they've now in these shots, they've been opened up, but we did see it from that viewpoint before.

647
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.539
Did I ever tell you about my mum watching the original series?

648
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:54.480
She used to go around her best friend's house because my mum only, they only had a black and white set and they had a colour set.

649
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:56.639
So she used to go...

650
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:02.699
Yeah, they literally would sit and cram around this massive TV and watch these TOS episodes.

651
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.340
I love to think of her doing that as a kitchen.

652
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:06.179
She loved it.

653
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.559
She absolutely loved it.

654
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:14.159
This. you know, when it came back in the 90s, there was no question that she was going to watch a lot.

655
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:14.579
Yeah.

656
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:14.880
Yeah.

657
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:27.960
I don't think, like, in terms of science fiction, they weren't saying anything like, you know, well, we rip this now and say this looks shocking, but we'd never seen, but they had never seen anything like this at the time.

658
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:28.860
Yeah.

659
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:29.099
Yeah.

660
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.619
And like what's, is there anything comparable?

661
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:33.360
is like in space comparable.

662
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:38.880
It's a little bit more of a family drama and stuff and has even worse special effects.

663
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:46.380
Well, and in the UK, sort of, the only comparison is Doctor Who, which had just had its 6 black and white season.

664
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:48.599
Look at this.

665
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:49.980
What's Scottie doing?

666
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.480
No, no.

667
00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:59.639
Scottie's looking in the ground, but they've actually got one of the things facing us with a big polystyrene rock.

668
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:09.179
He's standing behind the shuttle and he's lifting the polystyrene rock above his head and smashing it onto the shuttle, which is making the cameras shutter inside the shuttle.

669
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:10.980
But it was just so bad.

670
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.719
Oh, no.

671
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:18.840
That rob looks so light, doesn't it?

672
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.780
I believe it's a rare form of mineral called Jabalite.

673
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.000
Yes, exactly.

674
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.960
How much longer do we have, Mr. Scott?

675
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.739
Oh, but Spock's made a mistake, hasn't he?

676
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.400
At least as far as they're concerned, he's made a mistake because he didn't hit them.

677
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:42.059
Here we go again.

678
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.179
He didn't hit them hard enough earlier.

679
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.760
And so that's why they're all cross at him.

680
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:53.400
There was a, there was a TV documentary series in the 90s calls.

681
00:42:53.460 --> 00:43:00.960
They didn't, they don't make it like they did in the dot, dot, dot, and they do one for each 60s, 70s, 80s.

682
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:03.900
Man, 0 man, that shot of him with the rock there.

683
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.699
That was ripe for that documentary.

684
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.880
Great.

685
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:10.559
Oh my.

686
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.059
It's still more fun than these scenes on the Enterprise, though.

687
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.099
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

688
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.559
Ahura's got her space pencil now.

689
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:20.820
She's got her space pencil.

690
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:21.840
She's got an iPad.

691
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.059
She's got an Apple Apple Pencil there.

692
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:32.519
There's you and I have talked before about how impressively they can shoot this set sometimes.

693
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.820
It has none of that going on here either.

694
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.440
It's very point and shoot.

695
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:46.920
Yeah, I don't know who directed this, but I think that they're probably partly to blame for how limp the how bad the production looks generally, I think.

696
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:51.780
And there's a kind of lack of tension here as well.

697
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.079
Like, and we've seen them create proper tension on the bridge.

698
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.260
And there's great music at different points in this as well.

699
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.820
Like, you know, quite um, noticeable atmospheric music and things.

700
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.820
But it is the, I did notice it is a lot.

701
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:06.360
Stop music.

702
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:07.380
It's the music you hear.

703
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:13.440
Now, look, see, there's the sign on the wall behind Kirk's head.

705
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:16.139
You know, we were talking about the sign on the equinox.

706
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.539
That's the Enterprises commissioning plaque.

707
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.800
It's been there ever since the original series, so that all the ships have them.

708
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.059
Now, see, things are getting very tense now.

709
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.599
Yeah, it's been shaken. the actual set.

710
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.840
People are contributing as well.

711
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:39.719
The, you know, yeoman, whatever face is doing a pretty great job at being shaken in a Star Trek way.

712
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.440
Nathan, this episode is directed by Robert Gist.

713
00:44:43.980 --> 00:44:46.019
Yeah, that is, I think.

714
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.739
See, this is great.

715
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.519
I love this.

716
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:54.239
Like they're now they're just kind of electrifying the shuttle and the guy's not liking it very much.

717
00:44:54.539 --> 00:45:02.820
That's pretty good. flashing lights and sparks and shit. come on You're okay, desperate, you're okay, desperate now.

718
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:13.079
I regret to inform you that Robert just only directed this episode. know why. just have to watch it.

719
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:23.880
And and you see, now Spock has learned from the previous interaction and he can successfully guess at their behaviour.

720
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:32.400
He's surprised by how unpredictable they are and kind of blames them for not doing what he thought they would do, but now he can, do you know what I mean?

721
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:42.659
Like, they're seeing, they're seeing his logic as a liability, but in fact, Yeah, look, look at this.

722
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.039
I'm sick of tired of this machine.

723
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:50.280
I would have insisted on a barrier, even if you was out there, even if you, yeah, terribly.

724
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:51.480
And then he calls him a machine.

725
00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:52.619
He's getting very racist now.

726
00:45:52.679 --> 00:46:01.019
Yeah, so that's why Scott shops him, you know, like, tells on him, so he loses his commission in one of the books.

727
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:09.239
I'm not sure, you know, that James Duhan has the LeVar Burton skill of making this technical stuff seem realistic.

728
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:14.340
It sort of, he was, he was struggling with a box on the wall there, whereas LeVar Burton was there.

729
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.679
He'd make it all very smoother effortless.

730
00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:17.579
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.019
No, but he mostly had little.

732
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.760
Oh, I like this too, this bit.

733
00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:21.360
Look at that.

734
00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:22.980
Those screens actually work.

735
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.719
They don't just show random pictures of things.

736
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.039
There's a guy being...

737
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.380
Talking to them.

738
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.099
Well, I don't know why he's.

739
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.480
Oh, I took her earpiece off.

740
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:35.820
Like she suddenly was paying a lot of attention to this man.

741
00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:41.219
He got a spear for his body.

742
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.199
He must have been standing very still.

743
00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:47.400
Maybe he ran into it.

744
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:51.000
He was running in that direction and there was enough momentum.

745
00:46:51.059 --> 00:46:55.260
I mean, I think we both know, this is supposed to be a lot tenser.

746
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.219
And scarier than it actually is.

747
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.260
If the monster was scarier, if the direction was tighter, this would work.

748
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.480
Like gangbusters, I think.

749
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.199
I mean, even if you darkened it, even if can you do that now?

750
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.500
Like there's a really strong key, like they don't...

751
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.699
Can they turn the lights off?

752
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:26.699
Well, we have seen scenes in original series, Trek, where there has been a lot of, um, like practical shadow, like dark in the frame.

753
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:34.079
You know how Star Trek, the Next Generation, has a really very even way of lighting and, you know, yeah.

754
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:35.460
In the doomsday machine.

755
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.400
It was incredibly well lit.

756
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:46.739
Like, that's how they sold the difference between using the Enterprise set for, you know, Decker's ship and using it as the Enterprise set.

757
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.539
They're lit very differently.

758
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.920
I mean, you know, like even just these normal shots on the Enterprise.

759
00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:56.519
There's there's light and shade, but somehow down on the planet.

760
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.500
It's all kind of lit to buggery.

761
00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.099
It looks terrible.

762
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:05.039
I see, I see to remember shots as well, where there was just lots of shadows on people's faces as well.

763
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.980
It just increased the drama, no end.

764
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:08.400
Yeah.

765
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.440
So, I mean, these shots are unnecessarily beautiful, aren't they?

766
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:24.059
And when we, when, in the original show, we just have a green planet, that's all, and we don't have this green nebula background, that's just a green planet in space.

767
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:25.739
Did you see that?

768
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.539
That was an attempt at dynamism there.

769
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:35.519
We pulled away from Ahura, across the Kirk, and then we swung very fast, ran on Zulu, and then pulled right back.

770
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.619
I'm surprised you didn't get dizzy.

771
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:43.320
No, she stopped going on about those drones again, all right?

772
00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:48.840
That's about as much I can handle. 60s camera work.

773
00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:50.880
I'm such an old fart.

774
00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:57.780
That's what I. Look, she still looks terribly bored, doesn't she, looking at that?

775
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.800
No, she's looking at her.

776
00:48:58.800 --> 00:48:59.639
She's on the phone.

777
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:01.739
She's just sort of scrolling through.

778
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.900
Look, she's so pretty.

779
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:04.920
She's taking selfies.

780
00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:06.420
This could be my last chance.

781
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.800
That's it.

782
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:10.079
Feeling cute might delete later.

783
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:15.239
I don't think it helps as well, but this shuttle set is a bit dull as well.

784
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:16.619
You know, it's very flat.

785
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:17.880
It's boring colours.

786
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.860
Well, I mean, we consistent talks about... of the enterprise.

787
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:31.440
That's true, but the Enterprise has those fabulous corridors with all the jails and things, you know, making a bit, yeah. very exciting.

788
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:36.360
We often talk about the colour palette in TOS and how it appeals to us.

789
00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:39.059
Well this doesn't rank, I'm afraid.

790
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.019
No.

791
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:41.639
Oh, there's a bit of colour.

792
00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:42.420
Ahura.

793
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.599
Bright red.

794
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:48.119
Oh, look at I love her earrings too.

795
00:49:48.179 --> 00:49:49.800
Gosh, she's stunning.

796
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.179
Oh, Michelle.

797
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:56.820
You know, though, if she, if she, well, I was about to say, if she was in a Star Trek series now, what am I saying?

798
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.500
She is.

799
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:04.739
But she's been given all the opportunities now that Michelle Nichols should have had back then.

800
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:05.519
Yeah.

801
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:06.239
Yeah.

802
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:08.099
What's the new actress's name?

803
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.699
The newer home.

804
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:09.480
Gooding.

805
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.820
Oh, she's... so good.

806
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:12.420
Yeah.

807
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.480
Look at that.

808
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:16.679
Who is that gonna kill?

809
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.780
Like, hold that rock.

810
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.599
That rock almost pinned Leonard Nemo.

811
00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:23.039
Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no.

812
00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:25.260
The rock. the rock.

813
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:26.280
This is great.

814
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:26.880
Go back.

815
00:50:26.940 --> 00:50:30.300
You're going to stop us from getting off the planet.

816
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.159
So his logic.

817
00:50:32.219 --> 00:50:33.179
Do you know what I mean?

818
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.159
Like, and he's sort of cross with them.

819
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:36.360
Good for him.

820
00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:37.320
I really like that.

821
00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:43.199
But I can't concentrate on the logic when enormous polystyrene boulders are being thrown about the place, you know?

822
00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:45.179
Well, it's some action.

823
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:45.480
Come on.

824
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.260
Oh, finally, some action.

825
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.519
This is the bit in a minute where you see like 8 spears coming at the shoal.

826
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:58.619
No, but they're outside holding the shuttle down, right?

827
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:08.519
That's why I can't take off, but we're not going to see it because they look so shit. here we go Also, are they literally hanging from the bottom right now because the shuttle's going up.

828
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:10.079
I don't know, actually.

829
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.119
Well, yeah, we just got up above the rocks.

830
00:51:12.179 --> 00:51:13.440
We are above the rocks.

831
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.000
No, I think they must have just stopped.

832
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:16.679
I think we were still shaking ourselves loose.

833
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:18.840
We go a little wobbles as we go into the action.

834
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:19.980
We need to get in a chair.

835
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.420
Like, I don't know why.

836
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:26.519
No, did you see those 2 CGI people in the front of the special effect there?

837
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.980
Very funny.

838
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.500
We've made it.

839
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.380
And yet, look, no one looks sweaty or concerned in any way.

840
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.099
Oh, no, we're just getting shots of everyone being concerned.

841
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.719
Boehmer's concerned for sure.

842
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.199
Well, Deforest Kelly looks like he's thinking about what he's going to have for dinner.

843
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:51.599
Oh my.

844
00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.599
Look, that's Jimmy Dewan having a bad head, eh?

845
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:59.460
Look, he's got a kind of coiffe thing happening there.

846
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:02.400
I'm sorry, the way she delivered that line.

847
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:03.000
I'm sorry.

848
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:04.800
I do not want to die up here.

849
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.199
I'll be there, can you get me out of here?

850
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.159
All right, Spock.

851
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:14.039
But I mean, why is he being a prick about that?

852
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:17.340
Like, that seemed like a reasonable thing to say?

853
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:20.820
So maybe that's it.

854
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.400
Maybe this exchange is really good.

855
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:24.659
I love that.

856
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:34.679
Where, um, Scott says, um, you said there were always alternatives.

857
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.980
And and Spock looks genuinely puzzled.

858
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.300
Kind of, did I say that?

859
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.840
You know, and I must have been mistaken.

860
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:49.260
And then, uh, De Forrest Kelly comes straight in with, oh, well, at least I live to see that, that was great.

861
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:51.119
That was a proper interaction.

862
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:51.659
There we go.

863
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.119
Scotty just said, we've got another 45 minutes.

864
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:55.260
I bloody hope not.

865
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:56.940
No, we don't.

866
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.639
The last 45 minutes has been tricky enough.

867
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:05.460
I think actually that you just hit the nail on the head there about the objections.

868
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.880
There's too much false tension in this, I think.

869
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:10.320
Characters have to behave in ways.

870
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:16.500
Yeah, yeah. that don't feel natural in order to highlight what the episode is about.

871
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.980
Yeah. and so the the major tension.

872
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:37.860
So between everyone and and Spock all just seem fake or like just kind of just they don't ring true and and the same with the conflict between, um, you know, Ferris and and Kirk.

873
00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:42.300
Like the conversations are bad, the dialogue is bad.

874
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.739
Interestingly, I think in the future, they decide, you know what?

875
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:57.360
So we'll have Spock in this row again where the logic's been questioned, but we'll always make it McCoy, because he's a character we know and care about, and that's more interesting to see those 2 going at each other.

876
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

877
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:07.679
Well, that's a sort of weird, like the 3 of them, you know, like uh, 3 sort of different aspects of the way human beings make decisions.

878
00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.139
Like there's something like, I don't know.

879
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:21.179
It's going... reason why every single 90s trek series had the Spock McCoy dynamic, Odour and Quark, Melix and Chewvok.

880
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.340
Oh, who was the TNG one?

881
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.320
Data and...

882
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.079
Yeah, I don't think they quite... have it, no.

883
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:30.659
Because they all got on to far too well.

884
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:54.719
But I don't think I don't think you ever quite get the the Spock and McCoy thing because McCoy makes decisions with his heart and and Spock makes them with his brain and and that's a really sort of sort of basic fundamental thing and then you've got the ruling principle in the middle who has to decide between those 2 things.

885
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:57.420
And I think that's so well judged.

886
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.519
And I think, I don't think it can have been intentional.

887
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:04.199
I think it's just developed out of the way they find the characters interact and work together.

888
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:12.420
Um, and it's, you've got to remember, the execs, the execs wanted Spock gone, this demonic character.

889
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.099
They didn't want him to have focus.

890
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:15.900
It's only because the audience went.

891
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:17.099
This is amazing, you know?

892
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.840
Yeah, it's alien character.

893
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.579
Yeah.

894
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.500
I don't think it was good.

895
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:23.880
That sort of trio.

896
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:26.820
I think that trio was in the show's DNA, really.

897
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.559
No, no, I think it develops.

898
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:28.860
Yeah.

899
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:29.820
Yeah for sure.

900
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.940
And you love a bit of that, don't you?

901
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.679
Seeing how these things develop.

902
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:38.340
But this, and this is quite nice.

903
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.440
The 2 of them talking about this plan, so they burn up, they're going to die anyway.

904
00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:53.400
So why don't we just sort of vent all the plasma and try and get seen, you know, and this is the shot that they disappear in, isn't it?

905
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:54.840
Like we're filling the thing with smoke.

906
00:55:54.900 --> 00:56:00.300
Oh, it's getting hot, she explained to the audience, even though they're all sweating.

907
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.340
And so...

908
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.260
So this is just a lock of their chances is this.

909
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:12.059
Bach had no clue that they are going to get seen, but since they're all going to die anyway, there's a remote chance that we might get seen.

910
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.800
Which is better than none.

911
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.440
So it's a completely logical decision to make.

912
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.059
And I've got to say, the special effects on the new version are a lot of fun.

913
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.400
The sort of the trail of plasma and all that.

914
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:24.719
That's nice to look at.

915
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.739
After an episode where there hasn't been too much to look at.

916
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:29.940
No.

917
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.079
Yeah.

918
00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:33.179
What does that look like originally then?

919
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:33.719
Did you see that?

920
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:38.519
It's really, it's, yeah, there's nothing to it.

921
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:44.400
I did see the green planet with a little line across it was even that was not particularly impressive.

922
00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.800
Look at the look on Shatler's face.

923
00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:47.579
He's like, right.

924
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:49.980
As soon as Nemoy gets back on this ship.

925
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.360
I'm going to tell him this is my show.

926
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.860
Why did they have to call it mockus 3?

927
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.380
That's such a main name, isn't it?

928
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.460
I don't know what that is.

929
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:05.940
Oh, see, this is the thing.

930
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.380
I don't like this scene at all.

931
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.460
You've got...

932
00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:14.519
Kirk and McCoy sort of talking amongst themselves going, right, when can we pull this prank on, Spock?

933
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:16.920
Yeah.

934
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:19.019
Oh no, so we're going to ask Spock a question.

935
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:20.579
Ahura knows.

936
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.300
Because she's at the side of the set with a smirk on her face, so she knows what's coming.

937
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.059
There's just one thing I don't understand, Spock.

938
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:34.500
Yeah, you knew there was virtually no chance. seems to me to be an act of desperation, Mrs. Buck.

939
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.360
That just doesn't make any sense.

940
00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:38.340
Like, it doesn't make any sense.

941
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.199
You knew there was nearly no chance.

942
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:44.219
And I had he had a choice between no chance and nearly no chance.

943
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.579
So why wouldn't you choose nearly no chance?

944
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.780
Oh, I would have just said to him, Captain, you would have done exactly the same thing in my situation.

945
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.519
Yeah, look at shut up.

946
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:54.900
That's basically what he says.

947
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.820
Look, it was plainly hopeless.

948
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:09.360
Logic informed me that the only possible course of action was doing something desperate, good for you, and he's right and don't mock him because he was the star of the show this week.

949
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:15.659
But the non-punchline of this is, oh, Spock, you're, you know, you're such an unreasonable man, aren't you?

950
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:16.320
Yeah.

951
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:18.300
Is he stubborn?

952
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.699
Yeah, are you a stubborn...

953
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.980
It's an absolute non-joke, isn't it?

954
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:26.400
Like, it's absolutely not funny. at all.

955
00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:27.599
It's a crap joke.

956
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.159
But it just weirdly feels like a gentle form of bullying as well.

957
00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:34.559
Yeah, it's the episode on...

958
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.500
Ahura thinks it's hilarious, though.

959
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.920
Oh, yeah, Nichelle is absolutely going for it.

960
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:42.719
God, Shatner.

961
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:45.780
It's the 1st emotion she's been allowed to show it in the whole episode.

962
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:50.639
Yeah, she's so into it.

963
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:52.679
It's the funniest thing she's ever heard.

964
00:58:52.739 --> 00:58:53.460
Look at that.

965
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.760
Forrest Kelly looks like he's going to fall over.

966
00:58:56.820 --> 00:58:58.199
He blasts it so much.

967
00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:03.360
And look, it goes on for about 15 seconds.

968
00:59:03.420 --> 00:59:05.820
Keep going, keep going, keep going.

969
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.800
Okay, all right. stand down.

970
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:15.780
I mean, I would say that that is a typically TOS problem, but we have watched take me out to the holosuite, if you recall.

971
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.300
They do laugh for a long time at the end of that.

972
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:23.699
A very similar joke about a Vulcan being irrational as well.

973
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:28.380
Well, I'll tell you what, right?

974
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:29.579
There was something to that.

975
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.699
Yeah, but there was a lot to that.

976
00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:39.780
And there certainly wasn't enough for you and I to have complex conversations like we did last week.

977
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.780
Yeah, it's funny.

978
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:50.099
It is that thing where sometimes Star Trek is just brilliant and then sometimes you kind of think this is barely competent.

979
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.059
Like, what the hell?

980
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.320
How did this even go out?

981
00:59:52.380 --> 01:00:00.539
Like, you know, it's kind of like clearly this went out because it was either that or the test pattern. you know what I mean?

982
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.860
Like it, like, you know, it's just not very good.

983
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:12.000
I'll compare this to probably the other worst episode we've done so far, Wolf in the Fold.

984
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:12.719
Okay.

985
01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:22.440
And I think that's probably our worst episode because it was very dull and it didn't take its concept anywhere and there was no decent character work in it.

986
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.880
And there was good character working.

987
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.679
But Wolf and the Fold was more visually interesting.

988
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:29.519
I thought that weird planet, the floppy streets and all of that.

989
01:00:29.579 --> 01:00:34.800
So it does go to show you even if TOS isn't firing on all cylinders, there is something.

990
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.900
There's always something good.

991
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.159
I think, yeah, absolutely.

992
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:45.960
And I think that there is a reason that this becomes a template for so many later episodes because it's a good idea.

993
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:52.139
It's just that they can't do the realistic dialogue really to kind of support it.

994
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:53.880
And that never really works.

995
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.480
Does it?

996
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:59.639
Do you ever think it rings true when people call Spock kind of racial things?

997
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:01.380
It just seems super bizarre.

998
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:07.500
Sometimes it really does push over into being... like unpleasant.

999
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:11.099
So it makes McCoy, especially a really unlikeable character.

1000
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.559
And Deforest Kelly, it's so charming.

1001
01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:14.219
Why would you do that?

1002
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:15.780
Yeah, exactly.

1003
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.940
The movies get it right, I think.

1004
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.980
They say they've had time to think about it.

1005
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:24.719
I mean, you know, they push push away from the classic series.

1006
01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:28.440
And then it's all about the warmth that's between them.

1007
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.820
But it's just like a grumpy old man, isn't he, McCoy?

1008
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.239
Yeah.

1009
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:39.480
But the movies move away from the idea that these are all space people as well, don't you think?

1010
01:01:39.539 --> 01:02:01.260
Like, that's the fun thing about the movies is that these people who, they're more chill than they are in next generation, but they're still space people, and then they're in movies, but they're in movies after we've known the characters for a long time. so they're much, much more comfortable and much, much more relaxed and much more fun to watch.

1011
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:10.679
First time I knew we were in sort of different ballpark was in Star Trek 2 when Shatner needs to read that book and he goes, oh, for God's sakes.

1012
01:02:10.739 --> 01:02:13.079
And he has to put on a pair of glasses. like an old man.

1013
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:14.940
And I'm like, oh, okay.

1014
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.980
So Shatner of the original series.

1015
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.159
I don't think we would ever even...

1016
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.300
He has a flaw.

1017
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:23.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1018
01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:26.280
It's wandering around the ship with his shirt off, for God's sake.

1019
01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:37.079
I mean, I'll also say the greatest enjoyment of that episode, the Galileo 7 was the terrible creatures in it because they were highly amusing to watch.

1020
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:43.260
Yeah, if only they'd been more of them and they hadn't wisely tried to keep them off screen.

1021
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:51.539
I think, again, some stiff competition, they may be the shittest creatures we've seen yet in untitled Star Trek project. think they might be.

1022
01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:04.800
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next time.

1023
01:03:05.099 --> 01:03:11.760
I was the one with the excellent taste last week to choose the Galileo 7.

1024
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:18.480
And so I'm going to let Joe make the decision this week and see if he can't do any better.

1025
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.079
On average, you know, your choices of the last 10.

1026
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:22.920
Yeah.

1027
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:23.340
Yeah.

1028
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:24.420
Yeah.

1029
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:31.139
Although, although in within some of those episodes, there was a lot of fun in them being. yeah, yeah, yeah.

1030
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:35.219
I am taking us back to 90s Strek again.

1032
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.079
You know, I always will.

1033
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:42.300
But it's just because the 3 shows I've chosen are underrepresented.

1034
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:47.099
They're the lowest percentages in simply because there's so fucking much of them.

1035
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:53.400
So we are going to be either doing Star Trek, The Next Generation, Voyager or Enterprise.

1036
01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:54.840
Excellent.

1037
01:03:54.900 --> 01:03:55.920
All good choices.

1038
01:03:57.059 --> 01:04:00.480
I've done guarantee a good episode, but yeah.

1039
01:04:00.539 --> 01:04:09.300
Okay, your ra- Oh, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season two, episode 25, resolutions.

1040
01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:20.880
Ooh, that's the one where we've mentioned a strong hint of a romance developing between Captain Janeway and Commander...

1041
01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:22.920
We have actually mentioned it on the podcast.

1042
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:23.519
I think.

1043
01:04:23.579 --> 01:04:25.380
And are they in a shuttle crash as well?

1044
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.440
A sexy shuttle crash, unlike the one we just watched.

1045
01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:31.019
They basically, they go down in these pods.

1046
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:32.820
They haven't got... have they got a shuttle?

1047
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.079
No, they do.

1048
01:04:34.139 --> 01:04:34.440
They do.

1049
01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:41.099
Yeah, it is it's not a crash, but they have to go down because they've been infected with some poison or something. that's right.

1050
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.659
Some reason why they can no longer travel in space and they have to set up shop.

1051
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.079
Janeway gets obsessed by this pet monkey that's visiting all the time.

1052
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:55.139
And Chakotay makes a beeline for, well, he's he's interested.

1053
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:55.920
I'll say that.

1054
01:04:55.980 --> 01:04:56.820
Okay.

1055
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:12.539
It's got the funniest, one of the funniest convention anecdotes of all time when Kate Moker goes, do you remember that time when they suggested a romance between Janeway and Chakotay, but Janeway was far more interested in the monkey that kept coming to visit than she ever was in Chicago.

1056
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.599
Robert Belgium's like, what was that all about?

1057
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:17.280
She's like, well, look at you.

1058
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:17.699
Come on.

1059
01:05:18.059 --> 01:05:21.480
She's savage in conventions, you know, it's great.

1060
01:05:21.539 --> 01:05:22.139
Brilliant.

1061
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:25.320
I'm actually quite tempted to watch that.

1062
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:26.820
What do you think?

1063
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.980
We have mentioned it.

1064
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.639
It is a kind of, there are things to say, it's an important episode.

1065
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:33.300
What do you reckon?

1066
01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:36.000
And it's got, it's Chewbok on the ship.

1067
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:37.980
Oh, he gets lost.

1068
01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:39.659
Taking the ship, taking the ship away from them.

1069
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:46.679
He's in command now and Harry Kim has strong objections about leaving Mummy behind on the planet.

1070
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:48.539
So that's the tension on the ship.

1071
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:49.440
Oh, let's do it.

1072
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.519
It sounds really fun.

1073
01:05:50.579 --> 01:05:52.199
All right, you're on.

1074
01:05:52.260 --> 01:06:02.340
All I want to see is your reaction to how lame, the complete lack of fucking that goes on on that planet is...

1075
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:09.480
They touch at one point, and that's supposed to be enough to suggest that they've had it off.

1076
01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.460
Oh, it's great.

1077
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:12.179
All right.

1078
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.039
Wow, let's find a resolution, shall we?

1079
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:15.360
Let's do that.

1080
01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:35.519
He's been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. where online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1081
01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:41.519
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Larm.

1082
01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:47.039
This episode was recorded on the 3rd of October 2023 and released on the 6th of October.

1083
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:51.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Resolutions.

1084
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.519
Okay.

1085
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.320
Another boy show.

1086
01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:11.519
Another boy show.

1087
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.619
It's weird enough.

1088
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:23.820
It's a great quote from Jerry Taylor about this episode about how she wanted to put to bed any suggestion of Janeway and Shakotay having a romance.

1089
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.800
And that's how she did it.

1090
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:26.940
That's the episode she did it in.

1091
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.440
Yeah. to say.

1092
01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:29.940
Because it doesn't really end it.

1093
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.320
We should like, or am I thinking of attached?

1094
01:07:34.380 --> 01:07:41.639
There's some sort of line where they talk about whether they should think about exploring a relationship or not or what something.

1095
01:07:41.699 --> 01:07:49.679
So, you'll be pleased to know, Chakotay couches it all in one of his metaphors.

1096
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:50.099
Yeah.

1097
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:55.260
Instead of just saying, I really have feelings for you and I'd like to be in a relationship with you.

1098
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.199
But he does confess that.

1099
01:07:58.260 --> 01:08:01.559
He does say I want to, I want to be in a relationship with you.

1100
01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:03.300
He doesn't say it in those sort of words.

1101
01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:14.039
And then the implication is that something's happened and then they save them and they basically just sort of straighten their uniforms on the bridge and it's never spoken about.

1102
01:08:14.099 --> 01:08:15.059
I never speak of this again.

1103
01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:20.640
So it might give you a great chance to run.

1104
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:21.659
Excellent.

1105
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.779
But you do get some good 2 box scenes.

1106
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.520
Yeah, well that would be nice.

1107
01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:28.020
That makes it change.

1108
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:32.819
I'm going to send you the website image for the episode we've just watched.

1109
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.600
It's going to be that creature in it somehow.

1110
01:08:38.340 --> 01:08:40.260
Yes, that's perfect.

1111
01:08:40.380 --> 01:08:41.819
Yeah.

1112
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:45.539
It's got the word Galileo on it.

1113
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:51.119
So, like, it's Galileo, and it's a guy with the Polystyron rock.

1114
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.220
I can see why they didn't do a close-up.

1115
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:59.100
It's absolutely chilling I did actually, there is actually quite a good shot.

1116
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:10.739
Like if I was being more sensible uh, of them sitting in the in the ship and everyone's just looking at Spock and Spock's kind of making a decision like it's a sort of group shot, which is actually quite good.

1117
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.199
But I thought I'd go for stupid instead.

1118
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.020
It's perfect.

1119
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.000
Yeah, it's just brilliant.

1120
01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:20.699
Oh, okay, back to Voyager again.

1121
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:21.420
All right.

1122
01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:24.060
Yeah, I'm up for that. maybe I'll wash that in a minute.

1123
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:25.800
If I order some food.

1124
01:09:25.859 --> 01:09:27.119
I might order some food and stick it on.