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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back in Star Trek, the original series, and it's series

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one, and I'm going to say episode 16, although maybe it's 13.

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One more, 17.

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17.

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It depends on how we counted, I think.

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But we haven't done much series one before.

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And so this is interesting.

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This is kind of from the 1st run of Star Trek, and I imagine it's

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from a time where they don't know what their reception is yet.

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And so this is very definitely the Spock episode that they've

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decided to do.

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You know, I think that in that respect it succeeds quite well and

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it does such a good job that it becomes, I think, a template for

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some later episodes in the franchise, but in other respects.

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It's kind of a bit of a failure.

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Some later episodes.

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The shuttle crash becomes a Star Trek cliche, doesn't it?

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There's a bit of a joke on.

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Well, no, it's not a joke.

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That's the problem on Voyager, that a shuttle crashes sort of

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twice a year.

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They lose a shuttle, but they keep going, we've got a full

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complement of shuttles.

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You know?

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The sort of thing lower decks should be taking their Mickey out.

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You know, I figured after creating a ton of moral complexity that

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didn't exist in the equinox that we would skip back to TOS and

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have a rip roaring adventure because the last one we did was

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assignment Earth, where we effectively just laugh for 50 minutes

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solid.

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Yeah, had a great time.

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This was a little less adventurous and colourful and exciting than

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I like my TOS.

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Like, I'm not going to say I wasn't bored throughout this.

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And the Scott McNulty, every TOS episode is 10 minutes long.

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Two minutes too long.

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I mean, I said to you, I think it's about 25 minutes too long.

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This would make a good animated series episode, I think.

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Just enough to get him down on the planet, have him sort of go

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into his logical dilemma, find a way out of it and we're back on

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the ship again.

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Cut out all those interminable scenes on the Enterprise where

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they're like, wow, have we found him yet?

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No, okay.

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So I actually don't mind some of that stuff, because that's the

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sort of procedural stuff, and this is the 1st time we get to see

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them searching a planet for people or whatever, or maybe it's

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not.

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We certainly see it later.

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But this episode reminded me more than anything else of Redemption

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2.

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And there's a B plot in redemption too, where remember all the

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senior officers on the enterprise are assigned to other ships and

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they're, I don't know, they're doing something with the Romulans

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or something and and data gets assigned to the Sutherland and

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there's a guy there called Lieutenant Hobson who questions his

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ability to command because he's a robot who doesn't experience

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human emotions.

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And I think that that is very likely taken from this where you've

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got Boma, um, the handsome, uh, is he a lieutenant?

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I don't know, but the handsome Starfleet officer who is on the

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Galileo constantly questioning, and in fact, the other characters

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as well, questioning Spock's fitness to command because he's not a

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proper person who experiences human emotions.

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That's, uh, that's Beaumont without the apostrophe for anyone

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who's paying attention.

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Well, that stuff was actually pretty good.

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And it's Led Nemoy.

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So he make this is his 1st big shining a light on Spock episode.

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He's quoted as saying, actually, that he didn't think he did a

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great job in this on memory alpha.

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And that because Shatner wasn't there, he felt a little nervous

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sort of taking this much of the limelight.

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So Shatner's gotten them all so scared at this point, you know.

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How dare you take the focus?

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But I do think we sort of do the same set piece over and over

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again, you know, the monster attacks.

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Spock for acts in a certain way that ain't working out.

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They all condemn him because he's not feeling the emotions.

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And we do that about 3 times before he finally figures away off

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the planet.

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Yeah.

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It's good.

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I see what they're doing.

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And what you said there about when this came out.

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I think 2 episodes are transmitted at this point.

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So from creating the episodes to them going out, it was about 15

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episodes apart.

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Right.

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They knew Spot was instantly popular and this was commissioned

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quickly because they wanted to give him the limelight because

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there's been such a great reaction to him in those first too.

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And, you know, as we go along, they will keep giving Spock lots of

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work because he is the most interesting character on this show.

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I think.

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One thing I did like about this was it gives a chance to have lots

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of scenes between Spock and McCoy, where McCoy wasn't coming

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across as an incredible racist for once, but actually, it was sort

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of gentle criticism rather than some of the pointy ear bollocks

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that we get usually.

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He seems to be on Spock's side a bit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. it's nice What was a shame was that all those other

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subsidiary characters on the shuttle apart from Beaumar.

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But Ma, whatever it is.

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They didn't really get much focus at all.

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I said, you, what was the woman there for?

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And you were like, well, she's a section, she's taking notes. they

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literally say that.

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She's there to record everything.

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She's literally doing stenography.

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Fucking hell on her. on the ship is just there at her console

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every now and again saying something technical.

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Yeah.

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No, she's doing the phones and then this lady is, is, uh, her

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name's Phyllis Douglas as Yeoman Mears and she's hit me here to

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take notes about the, uh, away mission.

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But, as you said, this is a template for a lot of episodes to come

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that's for a reason because it works.

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Yeah.

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I know if it works spectacularly here, but the potential is

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there.

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And, you know, you get episodes like DS9's waltz, when Cisco and

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you can't crash the shuttlecraft on the planet and you can't see

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all those crazy visions and things, like you get some great stuff

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out of this premise.

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So, yeah, I'm pleased I did it.

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Yeah, well, I think the most recent season of Discovery had an

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episode called All is Possible, which was Tilly's last regular

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episode, and she and a deer crash on a moon with a group of cadets

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you know, in a very similar sort of circumstance, there's a

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monster outside as well, and they have to kind of work out how to

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deal with a monster when they're cadets that have all kinds of

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possible, you know, into species conflicts and historical beefs

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and stuff.

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And it sounds properly an interesting episode.

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What about battle lines?

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Do you remember battle lines when they take the kai through the

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wormhole and the shuttlecraft crashes on that planet where nobody

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can die and she's stuck in that perpetual cycle of violence?

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That's another good.

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So they're all, and all those episodes are doing more interesting

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things than a man in a monkey suit, a 2nd than with a spear.

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It's so bad We'll get there, but that monster is so bad.

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And I had kind of forgotten how incredibly low effort it is.

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It's really bad.

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I can't wait to make fun of it.

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One thing you said in the thread.

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I will go in in a sec.

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But one thing that really stood out to me when we were talking

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about this beforehand was when you said how TOS veers between

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being surprisingly very good television.

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That's really enjoyable and just being the deer of what they were

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bringing out in the 60s.

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And I think this episode's somewhere in the middle.

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It's got a bit of both.

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It's got some great character work.

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And I think some of the production value is, oh, okay, you know

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you're going to say the production value is terrible.

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I know you are.

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Okay.

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Some of the acting is very good.

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Yeah, but it is a bit boring.

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It is a bit long and the monster is shockingly shit.

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I think there's one bit, you know, where the monsters attacking a

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man and they haven't even bothered to put the head on him.

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I don't think there's a head.

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I don't even know what it is Like, I think it's just like a bean

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guide.

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You know, like a huge fur coat.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it's men in fur coats.

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Giant 12 foot man in fur coats inhabit this planet, apparently.

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Pretty crap.

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So I won't say this is a sort of topple TOS because I always think

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this is the most fun shows to talk about on Star Trek project, but

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it is probably the most boring one we've done of the lot so far.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't think Spock's brain is as much fun as

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everyone else thinks it is.

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You're mad.

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I was pretty bored by that Brain, brain.

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What a brain.

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I know, I know.

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All right, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I want to watch Spock's brain.

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Yeah, Discovery.

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All right.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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You said to me that you originally watched this with the special

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effects of the time, and I watched this with the new effects.

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So perhaps you can give me a little insight as to how this nebula

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looked originally.

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Yeah, it just looked like cigarette smoke.

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Essentially someone has taken a photo of some cigarette smoke and

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put a bit of a green tint on it.

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We're still preserving the green, but it just doesn't look like

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anything.

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I actually did see this version that you're watching with the new

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special effects, but then I went back and looked at what the

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original special effects look like.

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You know, if you go to memory alpha, they do a wonderful

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contrail.

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So all special effects in pictures, which is, you know, they're

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doing their duty for us.

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Yeah.

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So this guy, so this is what is he?

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His name is something.

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Commander, Commissioner Ferris, and he is really not very good, and

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the relationship here is in no way believable.

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Oh, isn't it?

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It's really boring.

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This is a stock Star Trek character, this.

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The person that comes on the ship and is going, I'm not having any

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delays, you know, we've got to get to where we're going.

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And then obviously the plot takes us off and there are plenty of

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delays.

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Yeah, I didn't get anything from him at all. not from the

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performance.

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And usually, you know, we had the intransient person in trouble

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with triples.

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Do you remember?

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And he was great fun.

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Yeah, well, because Shatner is making...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's great.

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Yes.

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Look at these special effects in the shuttle bay.

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Yeah, they look pretty good.

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They're tasty.

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Yeah.

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I like the fact that they've made the exterior shuttlecraft. say

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it as well on the planet.

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Yeah, well, I think that's a big thing.

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And you might remember that the reason that we have transporters

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is that we didn't think we'd be able to afford this.

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And it turns out that all of the footage, and I only know this

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from memory alpha, so I couldn't vouch for this personally.

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But all of the footage of the shuttlecraft going from place to

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place comes from this episode and is then just reused later

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episodes whenever they need a shuttlecraft.

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But they build a full-size shuttlecraft.

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A bit like the Enterprise shots from encounter a foul point. make

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it through all 7 seasons of Star Trek, the Nation, right?

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Oh, look at this shot of how they're all lined up in the shuttle. 3

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this side, 3 this side, camera in the middle.

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Yeah.

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And the and the thing is that they can't afford to realise the

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windows, so we can't see space out the front window.

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And so that's why the camera's there.

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And it actually makes the scene look surprisingly boring.

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I see that Yeoman Mears has still been... got her filter. you

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notice that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Second week up to her.

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There's like a mist.

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There's some Vaseline on the field, on the lens.

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Do you know how short they are of sort of looking at them all head

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on?

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It reminded me very much of the Enterprise D bridge set, you

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know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So designers were paying attention.

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We're meeting Don Marshall as Boehmer and he is very pretty.

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And he does spoiler alert survive the entire episode.

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I was absolutely convinced as an attractive black man in 60s

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television that he was going to die.

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So that was my one.

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I love that, the fact that he's not.

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Yeah, yeah. he was talking back to the white people in the show.

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It was kind of hard to imagine that he wasn't going to be punished

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for it.

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But it turns out in a later book, in a later book, uh, we learned

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that uh, Mr. Scott does report him for insubordination and he is

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stripped of his uh, commission.

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Well, of course, you know.

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The 2nd he started arguing against Spock.

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I'm like, well, the episode's never, ever going to be against

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Spock, you know, he's our popular character.

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What's a how occurring here?

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By the way, did you hear what the name of the colony was?

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They are just taking the...

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No, it's called Mockus 3, the planet.

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Mock, yeah.

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Taking a piss.

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They're not even trying.

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Look, this weird shot too.

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This is such a weird shot.

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It's just to get a shell in, isn't it?

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We just sort of wanted to get our legs in the shot, you know?

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Yeah, why is he blowing the frame?

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Yeah, that's it.

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I still maintain, though, that there is more ambition and

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imagination in the camera work of original Star Trek than there

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was in 90s Trek.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, 90s, you know, has a house style, and I remember being

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impressed by it at the time.

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It looked modern to me, but like I probably wasn't watching any

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other 90s television.

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So I wouldn't have really.

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The thing is, when we're watching 90s trek, you and I point out

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when there is a shot that is different from the norm, which goes

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to show just how dull it normally is.

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Yeah that's right.

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Well, I was very pleased about in this episode was that they bring

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in the studio planetary set. which we haven't seen in Untitled

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Star Trek Project for at least 20 episodes.

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I'm starting to worry if it was all a myth because we've been on

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out of location about 3 times in the last 5 episodes.

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When I can't think of Spectre of the Gun, maybe.

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It was a long time ago.

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Yeah, and that was that...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, a mock time, that would be it.

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I think that's definitely it.

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Um, Yes.

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So.

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Like, I kind of, I mean, I kind of like some of these procedural

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stuff on the ship.

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I think it's the least interesting thing.

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So, you know, we have an A plot and a B plot.

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The A plot is the Galileo 7 stranded on the um, planet having to

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survive and perhaps having to make their, oh, look, she's brought

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the coffee, brilliant drinks for everybody.

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Oh, for the man. so awful.

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But anyway.

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It's so embarrassing, isn't it?

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That they can't picture, like people can be on spaceships and

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stuff, but we can't imagine anything for the women to do other

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than bring drinks, answer the phones or taste stenography.

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That's right.

335
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Oh, look at Nichelle though.

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She's doing a job.

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She's bringing them the readings and stuff.

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The day we get the very last episode, you know, the body swap

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episode with the crazy woman and I really want to see how they

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depict.

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I woman that wants to be in command in the original series.

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She says that women can't be Starfleet Starship captains in that

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episode.

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So this is great, isn't it?

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Like that, that, that's a full size shuttle that they've built and

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that they've put on the, on the stupid, um, set and that's where

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all the money's gone because the planet looks lamentably bad.

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It is, and there's no sort of dry ice.

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It's too bright.

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Everything's too bright.

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So, and the sky has no depth to it at all, you know?

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they can, they can do these perspective sets, but there's no

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effort to do that here at all.

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So it just, it feels like they're in quite a small room on

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location.

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They can't do convincing blood on Boehmer's face.

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Yeah, it's sort of purple, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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He must be Klingon.

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What are they trying to suggest?

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I'm not going there.

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I'm not sure why Scotty's in this area.

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He don't do an awful lot.

364
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No, he's here to lag on Boma later on when we go back.

365
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In fact, it's kind of funny because you have the two.

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I think you have the 2 other main leads on the show supporting

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Spock here.

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And I guess that's why Nichelle gets to do a little bit more on

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the bridge because there's really no one else there.

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Is that there's Sulu at this point, but that's all.

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Sulu barely gets aligned, does he?

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in this?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, the focus is on Nemo, and I can see why, because I can't

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take my eyes off him whenever he's on the screen.

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And there's certain sequences in the middle of this episode where

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he's losing his shit.

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He's getting a bit angry where I'm really south and started paying

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attention.

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It reminded me a bit of the Nemoy in the original pilot, you know

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where he was a bit more emotional before they decided to tone him

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down a bit.

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Yeah.

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It's nice though.

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Chance to do some proper acting.

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But I do like it.

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I do like because he is being sort of annoying.

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So, you know, um, McCoy has these sort of homely ways of talking

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about the the atmosphere and stuff and comparing it to, you know

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it would make a great summer resort or whatever.

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And he's kind of trying to get him to stick to the fact.

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So we're bringing that conflict in really early.

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And I don't mind the conflict.

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Like I think, you know, it's a pity.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm just seeing the yeoman there.

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She's just got the thing and she's twiddling the knob and she's

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gone to it.

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You're taking this all down, aren't you?

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She goes of course, sir.

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And then she looks so bored, the actress.

402
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She's just sitting there twiddling Miss North.

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Playing with the tricorder bra.

404
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Whilst the boys will go off to have fun, you know?

405
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Oh, it's terrible.

406
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So the boys are kind of terrible though, aren't they?

407
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So we have Latimer.

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And we have uh, who else?

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We've got Gaetano, and they're both kind of terrible.

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Oh, we go.

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I think, like, because he's just said that we might be here for a

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long time, doctor, but they are going to be stranded on this

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planet for the rest of their lives.

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Is that what they're trying to convince us?

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No, I don't know.

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I mean, we've already established that it's a hard place to locate

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because of the green nebula thing.

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Oh, they can't even beam people.

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See this?

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They beam down some practice stuff and it came up looking weird.

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Michelle's trying to do some accent air beyond.

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She's pushing a few buttons.

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She's touching her ear every now and again as she's getting a

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signal coming in.

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See, Celia has so many more buttons to play with on Strange New

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Worlds.

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I don't see, I don't, women don't usually sit at a desk like that

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though, with their legs out for us all to look at.

429
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But there's no space under that desk.

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See how, do you know what I mean?

431
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Like, it's absolutely designed.

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You usually face the desk.

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But you can't.

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Do you see what I mean?

435
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Like that desk is like it doesn't, it's so badly designed that you

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can't swing around and put your legs under it.

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I always love the ones, those ridiculous ones on the Enterprise D

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where they seem to have like pull out chairs that you can sit at

439
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the panels with.

440
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Have you seen them?

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At least they thought of their kung fu.

442
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I like, you know, with a recently discovered alcove at the side in

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Voyager. you know, where someone's sort of tucked away in there

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sitting there, pressing buttons.

445
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It probably feels like it's the safest person in the ship because

446
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it's like, well, none of the rocks are going to get in here, are

447
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they?

448
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I'm in very small space.

449
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Oh, here we go.

450
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Right. they're sending out another shuttle?

451
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Yeah, the Columbus.

452
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That is fantastic.

453
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I love that shuttle set.

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And in fact, it's obscuring the terrible planet set at the moment

455
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as well.

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So it's doing a double job, which is just sort of chicken wire

457
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isn't it?

458
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And sort of papier mesh, you know, like it's really not very

459
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good.

460
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I just wonder what Deforest Kelly and let it need my fault as

461
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they're standing there on this planetary landscape, trying to make

462
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a, or jumpstart, a space shuttle, where their careers had gone.

463
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Like, you know, he was doing Westerns before this, wasn't he?

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Defra Kelly.

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I mean, this is Western, you know, like they must have just been

466
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pinching themselves going, we're getting paid to do this.

467
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It's great.

468
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This look pretty great.

469
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I mean, I really like, like Spock is such an interesting character

470
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and like here, we're getting him talking about his attitude

471
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towards command and him thinking that making logical decisions is

472
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the best way of, you know, exercising your authority.

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And he's right quite a lot of the time, I think.

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And I think, you know, the episode tries to prove him wrong at the

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end by having him with that lamentable final joke.

476
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Well, it's not even a joke.

477
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No.

478
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Yeah, yeah, no, that's terrible.

479
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But I mean, I mean, at the end where he kind of goes, oh, screw it

480
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I'm just going to vent all the plasma because we're going to be

481
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dead anyway, so let's just do that.

482
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Um, and that's, so he takes a gamble and wins and that scene is

483
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not being particularly logical.

484
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Although in a sense, I think it is.

485
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They try and give it an emotional reading, don't they, at the

486
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end?

487
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In a way that feels like sort of school ground bullying.

488
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They're sort of whispering amongst themselves and then they go

489
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over to Spock and saying, oh, Spock, you know, at that logical

490
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decision that you made. you sure it wasn't an emotional one.

491
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I'm like, what are we doing?

492
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So here we're talking about the fact that we've got to lose some

493
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people, uh, if we, if we want to take off again.

494
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We don't have, you know, we've got to lose 3 people.

495
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And Spock's saying, well, I will have to choose then in that

496
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case.

497
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And like, I don't think that's any different from anyone else in

498
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that situation.

499
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Do you know what I mean?

500
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Like, I don't know quite what they're expecting.

501
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I mean, obviously the right thing to do is to find another way of

502
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doing it.

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Do you know what I mean?

504
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.980
But I don't know that Spock's not open to that.

505
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:13.440
And I think the best bit of this whole conflict is when he gets

506
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:20.279
angry at them for going out to rescue him. because he's logical

507
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:24.059
which means that he's not favouring his own survival over theirs.

508
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:25.680
There's no reason to do that.

509
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:28.500
And so he'll be logical even when it costs him.

510
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.619
Whereas everyone else is saying, oh, you won't let us bury little

511
00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:37.259
Billy, whatever his name is, Latimer, this kid here, the blonde

512
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:41.279
kid, you know, you won't let us bury him, and Boemer actually, and

513
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.420
he, like when Boemer says we need to go out and bury it, it might

514
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:47.099
even be, does Gaetana get killed as well?

515
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:47.640
Yeah, he does.

516
00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:51.779
Um, I think we, you know, we go out to bury Gitano and Spot goes

517
00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:52.680
with him eventually.

518
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.680
He can't dissuade him, and so he goes with him, and he's prepared

519
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:56.640
to put himself at risk.

520
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:58.380
You know, he's saying there's a great risk here.

521
00:23:58.440 --> 00:23:59.700
I don't think we should do it.

522
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.579
He says I'm going to do it anyway, and Spot goes out with him.

523
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.019
You know, like, I think that Spock actually comes off pretty well

524
00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:07.859
here.

525
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:08.880
Oh, for out.

526
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:09.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

527
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:12.059
I thought I thought he was the character with integrity throughout

528
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:12.299
this.

529
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:16.259
That premise then of exploring Spock's logic and everybody else's

530
00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:19.559
reactions to it in this sort of situation of jeopardy.

531
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:22.380
Does that have 50 minutes worth of material in it?

532
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.779
Well, no, I don't think it does.

533
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.759
Oh, no.

534
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:27.839
Here we go.

535
00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:32.759
Jesus Christ, so there goes...

536
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.299
Who suddenly turns into the stunt performer and then falls off the

537
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:36.660
cliff.

538
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.259
I thought for a 2nd because that spear was so enormous that we

539
00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:42.839
were in sort of planet of the giants territory, you know?

540
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:46.740
that everyone was very small and the monster was massive.

541
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:51.119
So the dialogue says that they're sort of 12 feet tall, but

542
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:52.920
obviously it's just some big guy.

543
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.559
Like, I don't even know who plays the monster.

544
00:24:56.099 --> 00:24:59.400
But, um, he's just shooting into the myth there.

545
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:00.119
Did you say?

546
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:00.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:02.700
Open to randomly hit this creature.

548
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.660
But the, I mean, the thing is, right, they've got these massive

549
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:13.740
spears, and like a spear travels really very quickly, and that's

550
00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:16.920
why it goes through you because it has a lot of force, but all I

551
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:22.079
have is like stage hands listlessly tossing the thing into shot.

552
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:23.880
There's a bit later, right?

553
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.880
where there's about 6 spears being thrown.

554
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:29.279
But there's only supposed to be one creature, but they're coming

555
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:30.900
from about 8 directions.

556
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.480
No, no, no, there's more than one creature, I think, at that

557
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:33.660
point.

558
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:40.019
But, like, the way that they throw the spears is so limp, like

559
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:43.740
look how lightweight it looks.

560
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.599
It looks like a fountain pen, doesn't it?

561
00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:53.039
Oh, remarkable, says Spock.

562
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.660
The old world calendar is very strange, isn't it?

563
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.220
Because, yeah.

564
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.119
It's because we have space star dates now, I guess.

565
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.480
Because we go back in the past so often, it's fresh in their

566
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:06.960
minds.

567
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.900
And every time I see that name Beaumont, you know.

568
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.180
Yeah, he's doing a good job.

569
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.140
See, I liked all of this.

570
00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:15.539
When he's going, there's a man dead there and spot's going, well

571
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:16.920
that's not going to help our situation, is it?

572
00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:17.339
Come on.

573
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.359
Yeah.

574
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.799
Yeah, like and he's being reasonable.

575
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:26.519
Like, I think, I think too, there's something a little bit odd

576
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.160
about their insistence on burying the 2 men.

577
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.579
It seems to me.

578
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.839
Star Trek, do we?

579
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:37.500
No, it seems like.

580
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.019
It does seem like an old-fashioned way of thinking.

581
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:44.339
I mean, we do bury people and it's important that the bodies of

582
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:47.819
our dead loved ones are treated properly and we're horrified to

583
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:50.519
learn that, you know, when they're being eaten by wild beasts or

584
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.819
whatever, cut up by medical students and brought to a party.

585
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.480
I thought most for the most part, people were just sent off in

586
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.819
like torpedo tubes and things.

587
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.460
Yeah, that comes, that's from Star Trek 3, isn't it?

588
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:03.960
Two, Star Trek two.

589
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:05.279
Oh, no, wait.

590
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:09.059
Do you remember in Endgame, when Janeway buries Chakotay.

591
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.380
That's a grave side, isn't it?

592
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.400
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:16.559
So, so, like, the bearing the dead is a thing, but it just seems

595
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:22.380
to be a little bit more like, like mid 20th century, a little bit

596
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:26.220
a little bit more kind of religious than we are now.

597
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.420
And I think that we'd be less shocked in a military situation or a

598
00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:31.559
survival situation.

599
00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:34.259
If someone said, actually, no, you can't go outside to bathe the

600
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:34.440
dead.

601
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:37.200
I know it's terrible, but it's too dangerous, you know.

602
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:44.279
It seems a very unusual thing to insist on doing in a situation of

603
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:44.700
peril.

604
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.720
So it's literally just there in the script to highlight that Spock

605
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.500
seems a bit cold.

606
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.920
Yeah, but to us, he seems reasonable.

607
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:58.019
Well, we determined this last week, you know, I'm a bit of a git.

608
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.299
I always did.

609
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:01.680
Let's get on with it.

610
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:02.819
I love this too.

611
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.440
So this thing is, why does it make any difference if we start

612
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.960
skipping bits on the planet surface?

613
00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:15.420
Because we, like if we just search one contiguous area, or if we

614
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:19.019
skip, we go 2 degrees and we skip bits in between our passes.

615
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.539
What difference does that make?

616
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.880
Like, we're still discovering the same amount?

617
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:25.079
I don't know what's happening there.

618
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:29.160
I would have preferred if they had taken the walks approach with

619
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.819
those scenes, where it's not so much the procedure of what they're

620
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:34.559
doing, because that's kind of boring.

621
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:36.900
It's just a load of technobabble, but it was actually character

622
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:37.500
scenes.

623
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.400
So in Walsh, you get conflict because they're having to go off to

624
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.900
go to the next war thing or whatever.

625
00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:46.680
And so they've got 3 more planets they can go to before they got

626
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.880
our abandoned Cisco.

627
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.740
And there's lots of character conflicts.

628
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.259
There's none of that going on on the bridge at all.

629
00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:52.859
Well, there is.

630
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.180
Ferris and and and Kirk is supposed to be having that conflict.

631
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:59.819
But it's so kind of...

632
00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:02.400
I don't think we care too much about Mr. Ferris though, do we?

633
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:06.720
But what about the people of new Paris who are suffering from the

634
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.140
play?

635
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.099
Oh, that's another great Star Trek cliche, isn't it?

636
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:11.460
You know.

637
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:13.440
Beverly Crusher running in.

638
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:15.119
The terrible plague on this plane.

639
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.380
We don't get there, Jean-Luc.

640
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:17.460
They're all going to die.

641
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.220
Yeah, it's absolute word parallel.

642
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:25.319
It's completely fake urgency and they need it for some reason.

643
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:30.660
So of like TOS, you know, setting the staff down and the other

644
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:33.180
show's all picking it up and running with it.

645
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.599
You know, the template was here.

646
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:38.099
They did a good job.

647
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

648
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.180
I just think, like, it's super inept, isn't it?

649
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.900
That the conversations between Ferris, and you're right to compare

650
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.660
it to Trouble with Tribbles, where you've got another intransigent

651
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.759
guy, where that relationship is funny, and Shatner's enjoying it.

652
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.220
They don't seem to like you, Mr. Barris.

653
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:56.819
I wonder why.

654
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:01.619
You don't get any conclusion like that, Ian.

655
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:02.940
No.

656
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.640
I've got guards around the green.

657
00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:07.319
I've got guards around the tribbles.

658
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.440
Chat that's not having any fun.

659
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:12.720
That's another big sticking point, you know.

660
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.200
Yeah, oh, Spock's having all the fun in it.

661
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:20.099
Maybe he's got the shits because he's not the focus of the

662
00:30:20.099 --> 00:30:20.460
episode.

663
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.140
That's entirely possible.

664
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.420
Oh that's sad.

665
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:24.900
Look at it.

666
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.339
Look at the wrong.

667
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.500
And the painted rock?

668
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.299
Yeah, the rocks are terrible.

669
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.200
Oh, there is an attempt at a perspective shot there.

670
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:37.380
There's a small bit at the bottom of the backstrop where you can

671
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:38.519
see something in the.

672
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.319
Yeah, they've painted a rock on there.

673
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:40.920
Yeah.

674
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:44.099
I think this is a true testament to the actors, you know, to

675
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:45.900
convince us that they're on an alien planet.

676
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:50.640
Oh, at least they're lovely ladies come out of the shit.

677
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.359
She's gone outside.

678
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:52.019
Does she get a gun?

679
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.160
Did she get a gun?

680
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.779
I hope so.

681
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.599
She can't be sitting there twiddling that knob for the entirety of

682
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.079
the episode.

683
00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:05.640
So so this is the bit where he gets it wrong.

684
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.299
Is that right?

685
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.619
I'm frequently appalled by the low regard you have for other life

686
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:11.099
forms.

687
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.259
Yes, me too, Mr. Spong.

688
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:14.039
Me too.

689
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:14.759
That's really good.

690
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.900
Don't you think?

691
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:16.920
I think that's a great line.

692
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.599
And it's still a sort of restrained anger.

693
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.480
But you can tell when he's ready to go, you know, any minute.

694
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:29.940
But to take its life indiscriminately.

695
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.319
Yeah, exactly.

696
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:32.640
It's really good, isn't he?

697
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:34.319
And this, it's not a democracy.

698
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:35.339
Do you know what I mean?

699
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.019
I'm not interested in what you think.

700
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.339
We're going to do what I say.

701
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.380
We have duties to these life forms.

702
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.279
It's really...

703
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.799
If he was limping his way through the Delta Quadrant, he would

704
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:45.359
have been murdering those slimers, would he?

705
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:46.380
No way.

706
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:52.200
That's always going to be my moral gauge now, you know.

707
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.420
She does have a gun.

708
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.319
Look, look, look, look.

709
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.299
You have a very short skirt.

710
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.980
Bustle dirt back off to the ship.

711
00:31:59.039 --> 00:31:59.579
Come on that.

712
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.359
You've had your moment.

713
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.440
You've had your moment in the sun.

714
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.880
You're trying to frighten.

715
00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:08.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

716
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.980
But he, he's wrong in a sense because that doesn't scare them

717
00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:14.400
off.

718
00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:19.559
Yeah, and they do come back and kill Gaetano, who is a bit of a

719
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.640
dick anyway, so whatever.

720
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.940
Trouble is not conflicted because he's wrong, but he's pre, you

721
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:24.180
know.

722
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.279
No, Bowman will survive.

723
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:26.880
He's fine.

724
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:30.900
Oh, now they've got a bit of dry ice in there, like, yeah.

725
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.339
Yeah, I know.

726
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.660
That sort of misty place.

727
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.859
Maybe it all should have been a bit.

728
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.460
Oh, here we go.

729
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.680
What the hell is that in the mist?

730
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:38.759
Is that one of those creatures?

731
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

732
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:44.819
Because it looks so shit that they're like...

733
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:46.019
Remember Alpha says, right?

734
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.140
Apparently the production team, they refused to shoot the face in

735
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:50.700
close-up because it was so horrific.

736
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.059
I'm not sure it was dreadful.

737
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.180
I mean, like, oh, God, don't speak.

738
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.720
It's wearing a sort of jacket as well, isn't it, the monster?

739
00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:07.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:08.279
Yeah.

741
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.140
They're like, I'm saying monsters in jackets.

742
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.539
I'm sort of judging on their appearances here.

743
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.640
It could be a very nice fella.

744
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.079
Yeah, it could be.

745
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:19.619
He does seem to be gently throwing spears at them though.

746
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.779
This really is the upper end of the production value from

747
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:25.559
Assignment Earth.

748
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:28.079
Remember when we was out on location in all the normal streets and

749
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:28.380
that?

750
00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:28.920
It looks amazing.

751
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:36.539
Oh, well, remember how they used the planet set in Spectre of the

752
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.819
Gun, which we just thought looked magnificent?

753
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.220
Well, it was that weird, the objects hanging in the air, and, yeah

754
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.859
they were they were doing British, trying to freak us out, but it

755
00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:47.099
worked.

756
00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:51.420
But I mean, the thing is that he's kind of upsetting is that they

757
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.660
still think, you know, 30 years later that it's acceptable to

758
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:57.660
realise an alien planet in this way.

759
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.240
For several...

760
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:06.240
In fact, wolves, which is season 6 of DS9 has one of these

761
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.140
dreadful sets.

762
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.340
Oh, really?

763
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:11.159
Now, what they do in that is they fill it full of wind and

764
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:11.519
lightning.

765
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.880
They've got the strobe light going to try and distract you, but

766
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.900
you look at the backdrop.

767
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:17.340
It is just flame red, you know?

768
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.239
But you remember, you remember, um, was it the enemy?

769
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:26.820
Where that, do you remember it's the, um, the guy who we were

770
00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:30.599
unimpressed by in the masterpiece society, but this time he's a

771
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.199
pretty injured Romulan who makes strange.

772
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:34.619
Yeah.

773
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.739
I can still see there's a huge sort of cliff face water and

774
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:38.880
they're throwing in lots of water.

775
00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:40.739
So there's a storm going.

776
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.500
And so it's all running down and glistening. looks really

777
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:43.980
impressive.

778
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:49.019
So Stockcave said one actually had a name during next gen, a, like

779
00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:49.920
the next one.

780
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.239
They called it Planet Hell, and, um, yeah, yeah.

781
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:57.179
And it was mostly because, you know, like Marina would get sand in

782
00:34:57.179 --> 00:35:00.119
her contact lenses and everyone would get the shits and stuff like

783
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.860
it was hell to shoot on it.

784
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.719
But, you know, like they did manage sometimes to make that look

785
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:07.679
acceptable, I think.

786
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:13.320
I'm not sure we've seen a planetary set aside for inspector with a

787
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.440
gun in TOS that they've, they've put too much of an effort into.

788
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:20.099
But I feel like they go they do go out on location more in the

789
00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:22.260
original series.

790
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:22.800
Yeah, I think they do.

791
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:23.460
Yep.

792
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.019
Yeah, for sure.

793
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:28.559
I'm wondering if in terms of budget, you know, if you sort of I

794
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.579
know they were made in different times.

795
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.019
I wonder if TOS had a larger budget than the average 90s trek

796
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:34.320
episode.

797
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.119
No, I don't know.

798
00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:37.019
I don't know.

799
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.039
I mean, they have a very definite kind of, I, you know, they're

800
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.239
shooting 26 of these.

801
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:43.380
I don't know, I don't know.

802
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.079
Like other dramas at the time are outside all the time, but

803
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.940
they're trying to realise alien planets outside and maybe that's

804
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:51.599
what's expensive.

805
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:55.380
There was a bit of an issue here, you know, the way they were all

806
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:58.559
sort of sitting around quite casually talking about the problems.

807
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:00.840
I'm like, we're not really getting the drama of this situation

808
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.480
because everyone is very relaxed on the shuttle right now.

809
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.199
I do like the idea.

810
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:09.179
I mean, the phases thing is stupid.

811
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.940
Like they've all got enough power if you put our phases together

812
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:15.539
to be our alternative power source, but it is actually quite a

813
00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:16.500
good idea, isn't it?

814
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.900
We have to use the phases so we can't use them to attack the

815
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:21.599
whatever the hell those guys are.

816
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:25.920
It puts us in another disadvantageous position on this planet.

817
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:30.960
Which then means that we need the enterprise to find them all the

818
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:31.619
more urgently.

819
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.760
Yeah.

820
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.460
So here we're beaming up some boxes and shearing.

821
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.239
Do you know, you can buy gift boxes just like that now, you know

822
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.039
those sort of silver ones that shine.

823
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.860
They look like space gift boxes, though.

824
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.559
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.

825
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:49.800
I didn't really find much interest at all in these enterprise

826
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.219
scenes.

827
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:55.260
I guess if it's the kind of 1st time that we do it.

828
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.820
Like I've got...

829
00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:01.559
I've got a sort of soft spot for, you know, the people going to

830
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.980
work for, you know, during the day on a starship and seeing what

831
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.340
they do.

832
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.320
I think that is kind of fun.

833
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.719
Um, but it's, you know, something that's now been done 100 times

834
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:13.079
since.

835
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:17.639
The thing is, is when we come back to the planet...

836
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.500
We come back to that planet.

837
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.679
We've got the stage ads throwing every bit of set, they can at

838
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.000
these people, and that's much more fun.

839
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:27.900
What is he trying to do crawling up that rock face?

840
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.199
No, he's going to be menaced by...

841
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:32.519
Is this a clear shot of the guy?

842
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:36.059
This is the bit where the camera is literally following the

843
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:36.539
creature.

844
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.900
So it looks like a man in a gets a costume. how bad that is.

845
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:41.699
That like, what is it?

846
00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.940
Well, you cut to a POV shop because it is so terrible.

847
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.460
But the fella actually looks like he's having quite a lot of fun.

848
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.599
The victim.

849
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.539
That's so better.

850
00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:59.039
The actor brings his hands down in a very unanimalistic like way.

851
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:02.460
Yeah, he's going roar.

852
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:06.420
You actually, you're not even wrong.

853
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.119
The noise is wrong.

854
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.000
That's so bad.

855
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.820
They couldn't have found an animal noise they could have treated.

856
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.719
It's clearly a person.

857
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:16.920
Yeah, yeah.

858
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.179
It's just...

859
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.920
It's so bad.

860
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:21.659
It's astoundingly bad.

861
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:26.280
I think the last time we saw a lazier creature on a planet was

862
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.079
those primitives, remember?

863
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.760
Fox's brain down in the caves.

864
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.980
Yeah.

865
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.059
Remember?

866
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.840
Yeah.

867
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:43.320
But, I mean, there's a lot of B movie in Star Trek's DNA, and so

868
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.179
you know, I like it so much.

869
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:46.019
Yeah, yeah.

870
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.099
But I mean, that's pretty poor, even, I mean, we've had the Mugato

871
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:52.079
or the Gamato or whatever they're called.

872
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:56.820
And they also look terrible, but nowhere near as terrible as

873
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:57.059
that.

874
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.340
Sometimes they really surprise us.

875
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.039
I don't remember nomad floating about and things like that.

876
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.099
It's just, it's, I don't know.

878
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.880
Is it entirely dependent on the creativity of the designers that

879
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:09.119
week?

880
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:13.199
Well, and what the directors feel I can do as well.

881
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:16.860
Like, you know, I don't know.

882
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:17.460
I don't know.

883
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:21.840
I don't know why you saw that the full body shot from behind if

884
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.059
that thing advancing on Gaetana was so bad.

885
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:28.559
What you got to remember as well is we're now just over halfway

886
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.360
through that 1st season.

887
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:34.019
So they're, we're in the sort of churning it out stage now.

888
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:34.860
Yeah.

889
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:38.820
So, and I think if you look at the sort of the 1st run of episodes

890
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:42.780
a lot of the production value is quite impressive, maybe a little

891
00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:45.659
bit of complacency is, is heading in.

892
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.159
Yeah, yeah.

893
00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:50.159
I, like, I think they're probably in a weird position where they

894
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.820
can't work out yet quite what they can get away with as well.

895
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.400
And you say that on next gen too.

896
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.139
Sorry to interrupt you there.

897
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.159
No, it was nice before the, but you've got the rocks here.

898
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:06.719
It's being shot as if we're looking through lots of rocks and then

899
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.059
there's loads of myths in the background to obscure the background

900
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:09.719
of the scene.

901
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.920
Yeah, that's true.

902
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.239
I'm looking for something here.

903
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:13.440
No, no, no.

904
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:15.659
But those spears, like a...

905
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.800
It's just spears coming out from behind the things. because we

906
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.940
can't afford to realise the monsters and the spears are just being

907
00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:25.199
gently tossed.

908
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:26.579
It's so bad.

909
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:27.960
Terrible.

910
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:28.920
Oh, I see.

911
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:30.239
There was a window in the show.

912
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.199
It was at the front there.

913
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:31.559
Look.

914
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:33.239
No, they've just opened it.

915
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:38.760
We did actually see that picture before and it, those were blank.

916
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:42.900
And so now they've now in these shots, they've been opened up, but

917
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.059
we did see it from that viewpoint before.

918
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.539
Did I ever tell you about my mum watching the original series?

919
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:52.320
She used to go around her best friend's house because my mum only

920
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.480
they only had a black and white set and they had a colour set.

921
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:56.639
So she used to go...

922
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:01.199
Yeah, they literally would sit and cram around this massive TV and

923
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.699
watch these TOS episodes.

924
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.340
I love to think of her doing that as a kitchen.

925
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:06.179
She loved it.

926
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.559
She absolutely loved it.

927
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.760
This. you know, when it came back in the 90s, there was no

928
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.159
question that she was going to watch a lot.

929
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:14.579
Yeah.

930
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:14.880
Yeah.

931
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:20.280
I don't think, like, in terms of science fiction, they weren't

932
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.699
saying anything like, you know, well, we rip this now and say this

933
00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:26.280
looks shocking, but we'd never seen, but they had never seen

934
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.960
anything like this at the time.

935
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:28.860
Yeah.

936
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:29.099
Yeah.

937
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.619
And like what's, is there anything comparable?

938
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:33.360
is like in space comparable.

939
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:37.260
It's a little bit more of a family drama and stuff and has even

940
00:41:37.260 --> 00:41:38.880
worse special effects.

941
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:43.800
Well, and in the UK, sort of, the only comparison is Doctor Who

942
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.380
which had just had its 6 black and white season.

943
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:48.599
Look at this.

944
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:49.980
What's Scottie doing?

945
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.480
No, no.

946
00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:55.139
Scottie's looking in the ground, but they've actually got one of

947
00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:59.639
the things facing us with a big polystyrene rock.

948
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:03.780
He's standing behind the shuttle and he's lifting the polystyrene

949
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.119
rock above his head and smashing it onto the shuttle, which is

950
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.179
making the cameras shutter inside the shuttle.

951
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:10.980
But it was just so bad.

952
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.719
Oh, no.

953
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:18.840
That rob looks so light, doesn't it?

954
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.780
I believe it's a rare form of mineral called Jabalite.

955
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.000
Yes, exactly.

956
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.960
How much longer do we have, Mr. Scott?

957
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.739
Oh, but Spock's made a mistake, hasn't he?

958
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.440
At least as far as they're concerned, he's made a mistake because

959
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.400
he didn't hit them.

960
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:42.059
Here we go again.

961
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.179
He didn't hit them hard enough earlier.

962
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.760
And so that's why they're all cross at him.

963
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:53.400
There was a, there was a TV documentary series in the 90s calls.

964
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:57.420
They didn't, they don't make it like they did in the dot, dot, dot

965
00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:00.960
and they do one for each 60s, 70s, 80s.

966
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:03.900
Man, 0 man, that shot of him with the rock there.

967
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.699
That was ripe for that documentary.

968
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.880
Great.

969
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:10.559
Oh my.

970
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.059
It's still more fun than these scenes on the Enterprise, though.

971
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.099
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

972
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.559
Ahura's got her space pencil now.

973
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:20.820
She's got her space pencil.

974
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:21.840
She's got an iPad.

975
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.059
She's got an Apple Apple Pencil there.

976
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.079
There's you and I have talked before about how impressively they

977
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.519
can shoot this set sometimes.

978
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.820
It has none of that going on here either.

979
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.440
It's very point and shoot.

980
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.559
Yeah, I don't know who directed this, but I think that they're

981
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.360
probably partly to blame for how limp the how bad the production

982
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.920
looks generally, I think.

983
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:51.780
And there's a kind of lack of tension here as well.

984
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.079
Like, and we've seen them create proper tension on the bridge.

985
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.260
And there's great music at different points in this as well.

986
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.579
Like, you know, quite um, noticeable atmospheric music and

987
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:02.820
things.

988
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.820
But it is the, I did notice it is a lot.

989
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:06.360
Stop music.

990
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:07.380
It's the music you hear.

991
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:13.440
Now, look, see, there's the sign on the wall behind Kirk's head.

993
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:16.139
You know, we were talking about the sign on the equinox.

994
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.539
That's the Enterprises commissioning plaque.

995
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.199
It's been there ever since the original series, so that all the

996
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:22.800
ships have them.

997
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.059
Now, see, things are getting very tense now.

998
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.599
Yeah, it's been shaken. the actual set.

999
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.840
People are contributing as well.

1000
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:37.380
The, you know, yeoman, whatever face is doing a pretty great job

1001
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:39.719
at being shaken in a Star Trek way.

1002
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.440
Nathan, this episode is directed by Robert Gist.

1003
00:44:43.980 --> 00:44:46.019
Yeah, that is, I think.

1004
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.739
See, this is great.

1005
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.519
I love this.

1006
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:51.719
Like they're now they're just kind of electrifying the shuttle and

1007
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.239
the guy's not liking it very much.

1008
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:59.400
That's pretty good. flashing lights and sparks and shit. come on

1009
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:02.820
You're okay, desperate, you're okay, desperate now.

1010
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:08.460
I regret to inform you that Robert just only directed this episode

1011
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:13.079
know why. just have to watch it.

1012
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.940
And and you see, now Spock has learned from the previous

1013
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:23.880
interaction and he can successfully guess at their behaviour.

1014
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.539
He's surprised by how unpredictable they are and kind of blames

1015
00:45:27.539 --> 00:45:31.739
them for not doing what he thought they would do, but now he can

1016
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:32.400
do you know what I mean?

1017
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:38.940
Like, they're seeing, they're seeing his logic as a liability, but

1018
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:42.659
in fact, Yeah, look, look at this.

1019
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.039
I'm sick of tired of this machine.

1020
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:47.760
I would have insisted on a barrier, even if you was out there, even

1021
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.280
if you, yeah, terribly.

1022
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:51.480
And then he calls him a machine.

1023
00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:52.619
He's getting very racist now.

1024
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.260
Yeah, so that's why Scott shops him, you know, like, tells on him

1025
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.019
so he loses his commission in one of the books.

1026
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.400
I'm not sure, you know, that James Duhan has the LeVar Burton

1027
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.239
skill of making this technical stuff seem realistic.

1028
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:12.780
It sort of, he was, he was struggling with a box on the wall there

1029
00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:14.340
whereas LeVar Burton was there.

1030
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.679
He'd make it all very smoother effortless.

1031
00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:17.579
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1032
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.019
No, but he mostly had little.

1033
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.760
Oh, I like this too, this bit.

1034
00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:21.360
Look at that.

1035
00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:22.980
Those screens actually work.

1036
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.719
They don't just show random pictures of things.

1037
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.039
There's a guy being...

1038
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.380
Talking to them.

1039
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.099
Well, I don't know why he's.

1040
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.480
Oh, I took her earpiece off.

1041
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:35.820
Like she suddenly was paying a lot of attention to this man.

1042
00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:41.219
He got a spear for his body.

1043
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.199
He must have been standing very still.

1044
00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:47.400
Maybe he ran into it.

1045
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:51.000
He was running in that direction and there was enough momentum.

1046
00:46:51.059 --> 00:46:54.420
I mean, I think we both know, this is supposed to be a lot

1047
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.260
tenser.

1048
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.219
And scarier than it actually is.

1049
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:03.599
If the monster was scarier, if the direction was tighter, this

1050
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:04.260
would work.

1051
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.480
Like gangbusters, I think.

1052
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.199
I mean, even if you darkened it, even if can you do that now?

1053
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.500
Like there's a really strong key, like they don't...

1054
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.699
Can they turn the lights off?

1055
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:21.000
Well, we have seen scenes in original series, Trek, where there

1056
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:26.340
has been a lot of, um, like practical shadow, like dark in the

1057
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:26.699
frame.

1058
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.119
You know how Star Trek, the Next Generation, has a really very

1059
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.079
even way of lighting and, you know, yeah.

1060
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:35.460
In the doomsday machine.

1061
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.400
It was incredibly well lit.

1062
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:41.039
Like, that's how they sold the difference between using the

1063
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:45.599
Enterprise set for, you know, Decker's ship and using it as the

1064
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:46.739
Enterprise set.

1065
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.539
They're lit very differently.

1066
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.139
I mean, you know, like even just these normal shots on the

1067
00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:52.920
Enterprise.

1068
00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:56.519
There's there's light and shade, but somehow down on the planet.

1069
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.500
It's all kind of lit to buggery.

1070
00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.099
It looks terrible.

1071
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:03.360
I see, I see to remember shots as well, where there was just lots

1072
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.039
of shadows on people's faces as well.

1073
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.980
It just increased the drama, no end.

1074
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:08.400
Yeah.

1075
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.440
So, I mean, these shots are unnecessarily beautiful, aren't they?

1076
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:18.420
And when we, when, in the original show, we just have a green

1077
00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:22.500
planet, that's all, and we don't have this green nebula background

1078
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.059
that's just a green planet in space.

1079
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:25.739
Did you see that?

1080
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.539
That was an attempt at dynamism there.

1081
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:32.820
We pulled away from Ahura, across the Kirk, and then we swung very

1082
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:35.519
fast, ran on Zulu, and then pulled right back.

1083
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.619
I'm surprised you didn't get dizzy.

1084
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:43.320
No, she stopped going on about those drones again, all right?

1085
00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:48.840
That's about as much I can handle. 60s camera work.

1086
00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:50.880
I'm such an old fart.

1087
00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:57.300
That's what I. Look, she still looks terribly bored, doesn't she

1088
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:57.780
looking at that?

1089
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.800
No, she's looking at her.

1090
00:48:58.800 --> 00:48:59.639
She's on the phone.

1091
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:01.739
She's just sort of scrolling through.

1092
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.900
Look, she's so pretty.

1093
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:04.920
She's taking selfies.

1094
00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:06.420
This could be my last chance.

1095
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.800
That's it.

1096
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:10.079
Feeling cute might delete later.

1097
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:14.760
I don't think it helps as well, but this shuttle set is a bit dull

1098
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:15.239
as well.

1099
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:16.619
You know, it's very flat.

1100
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:17.880
It's boring colours.

1101
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.860
Well, I mean, we consistent talks about... of the enterprise.

1102
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:27.420
That's true, but the Enterprise has those fabulous corridors with

1103
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:30.900
all the jails and things, you know, making a bit, yeah. very

1104
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:31.440
exciting.

1105
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:36.179
We often talk about the colour palette in TOS and how it appeals

1106
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:36.360
to us.

1107
00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:39.059
Well this doesn't rank, I'm afraid.

1108
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.019
No.

1109
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:41.639
Oh, there's a bit of colour.

1110
00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:42.420
Ahura.

1111
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.599
Bright red.

1112
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:48.119
Oh, look at I love her earrings too.

1113
00:49:48.179 --> 00:49:49.800
Gosh, she's stunning.

1114
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.179
Oh, Michelle.

1115
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.599
You know, though, if she, if she, well, I was about to say, if she

1116
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.820
was in a Star Trek series now, what am I saying?

1117
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.500
She is.

1118
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:03.539
But she's been given all the opportunities now that Michelle

1119
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:04.739
Nichols should have had back then.

1120
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:05.519
Yeah.

1121
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:06.239
Yeah.

1122
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:08.099
What's the new actress's name?

1123
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.699
The newer home.

1124
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:09.480
Gooding.

1125
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.820
Oh, she's... so good.

1126
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:12.420
Yeah.

1127
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.480
Look at that.

1128
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:16.679
Who is that gonna kill?

1129
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.780
Like, hold that rock.

1130
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.599
That rock almost pinned Leonard Nemo.

1131
00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:23.039
Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no.

1132
00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:25.260
The rock. the rock.

1133
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:26.280
This is great.

1134
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:26.880
Go back.

1135
00:50:26.940 --> 00:50:30.300
You're going to stop us from getting off the planet.

1136
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.159
So his logic.

1137
00:50:32.219 --> 00:50:33.179
Do you know what I mean?

1138
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.159
Like, and he's sort of cross with them.

1139
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:36.360
Good for him.

1140
00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:37.320
I really like that.

1141
00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:40.800
But I can't concentrate on the logic when enormous polystyrene

1142
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.199
boulders are being thrown about the place, you know?

1143
00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:45.179
Well, it's some action.

1144
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:45.480
Come on.

1145
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.260
Oh, finally, some action.

1146
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.039
This is the bit in a minute where you see like 8 spears coming at

1147
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:53.519
the shoal.

1148
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:58.619
No, but they're outside holding the shuttle down, right?

1149
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.860
That's why I can't take off, but we're not going to see it because

1150
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:06.539
they look so shit. here we go Also, are they literally hanging

1151
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:08.519
from the bottom right now because the shuttle's going up.

1152
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:10.079
I don't know, actually.

1153
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.119
Well, yeah, we just got up above the rocks.

1154
00:51:12.179 --> 00:51:13.440
We are above the rocks.

1155
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.000
No, I think they must have just stopped.

1156
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:16.679
I think we were still shaking ourselves loose.

1157
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:18.840
We go a little wobbles as we go into the action.

1158
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:19.980
We need to get in a chair.

1159
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.420
Like, I don't know why.

1160
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:25.980
No, did you see those 2 CGI people in the front of the special

1161
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:26.519
effect there?

1162
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.980
Very funny.

1163
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.500
We've made it.

1164
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.380
And yet, look, no one looks sweaty or concerned in any way.

1165
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.099
Oh, no, we're just getting shots of everyone being concerned.

1166
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.719
Boehmer's concerned for sure.

1167
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.659
Well, Deforest Kelly looks like he's thinking about what he's

1168
00:51:42.659 --> 00:51:43.199
going to have for dinner.

1169
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:51.599
Oh my.

1170
00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.599
Look, that's Jimmy Dewan having a bad head, eh?

1171
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:59.460
Look, he's got a kind of coiffe thing happening there.

1172
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:02.400
I'm sorry, the way she delivered that line.

1173
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:03.000
I'm sorry.

1174
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:04.800
I do not want to die up here.

1175
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.199
I'll be there, can you get me out of here?

1176
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.159
All right, Spock.

1177
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:14.039
But I mean, why is he being a prick about that?

1178
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:17.340
Like, that seemed like a reasonable thing to say?

1179
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:20.820
So maybe that's it.

1180
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.400
Maybe this exchange is really good.

1181
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:24.659
I love that.

1182
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:33.780
Where, um, Scott says, um, you said there were always

1183
00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:34.679
alternatives.

1184
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.980
And and Spock looks genuinely puzzled.

1185
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.300
Kind of, did I say that?

1186
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.840
You know, and I must have been mistaken.

1187
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:46.079
And then, uh, De Forrest Kelly comes straight in with, oh, well, at

1188
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.260
least I live to see that, that was great.

1189
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:51.119
That was a proper interaction.

1190
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:51.659
There we go.

1191
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.119
Scotty just said, we've got another 45 minutes.

1192
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:55.260
I bloody hope not.

1193
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:56.940
No, we don't.

1194
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.639
The last 45 minutes has been tricky enough.

1195
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:03.599
I think actually that you just hit the nail on the head there

1196
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.460
about the objections.

1197
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.880
There's too much false tension in this, I think.

1198
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:10.320
Characters have to behave in ways.

1199
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.840
Yeah, yeah. that don't feel natural in order to highlight what the

1200
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:16.500
episode is about.

1201
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.980
Yeah. and so the the major tension.

1202
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:28.980
So between everyone and and Spock all just seem fake or like just

1203
00:53:28.980 --> 00:53:33.659
kind of just they don't ring true and and the same with the

1204
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:37.860
conflict between, um, you know, Ferris and and Kirk.

1205
00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:42.300
Like the conversations are bad, the dialogue is bad.

1206
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.739
Interestingly, I think in the future, they decide, you know what?

1207
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.559
So we'll have Spock in this row again where the logic's been

1208
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.380
questioned, but we'll always make it McCoy, because he's a

1209
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:55.980
character we know and care about, and that's more interesting to

1210
00:53:55.980 --> 00:53:57.360
see those 2 going at each other.

1211
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:02.760
Well, that's a sort of weird, like the 3 of them, you know, like

1213
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.079
uh, 3 sort of different aspects of the way human beings make

1214
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:07.679
decisions.

1215
00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.139
Like there's something like, I don't know.

1216
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:16.800
It's going... reason why every single 90s trek series had the

1217
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:21.179
Spock McCoy dynamic, Odour and Quark, Melix and Chewvok.

1218
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.340
Oh, who was the TNG one?

1219
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.320
Data and...

1220
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.079
Yeah, I don't think they quite... have it, no.

1221
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:30.659
Because they all got on to far too well.

1222
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.599
But I don't think I don't think you ever quite get the the Spock

1223
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:42.059
and McCoy thing because McCoy makes decisions with his heart and

1224
00:54:42.059 --> 00:54:48.000
and Spock makes them with his brain and and that's a really sort

1225
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:51.239
of sort of basic fundamental thing and then you've got the ruling

1226
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.719
principle in the middle who has to decide between those 2 things.

1227
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:57.420
And I think that's so well judged.

1228
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.519
And I think, I don't think it can have been intentional.

1229
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:01.739
I think it's just developed out of the way they find the

1230
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:04.199
characters interact and work together.

1231
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:08.699
Um, and it's, you've got to remember, the execs, the execs wanted

1232
00:55:08.699 --> 00:55:12.420
Spock gone, this demonic character.

1233
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.099
They didn't want him to have focus.

1234
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:15.900
It's only because the audience went.

1235
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:17.099
This is amazing, you know?

1236
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.840
Yeah, it's alien character.

1237
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.579
Yeah.

1238
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.500
I don't think it was good.

1239
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:23.880
That sort of trio.

1240
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:26.820
I think that trio was in the show's DNA, really.

1241
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.559
No, no, I think it develops.

1242
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:28.860
Yeah.

1243
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:29.820
Yeah for sure.

1244
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.940
And you love a bit of that, don't you?

1245
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.679
Seeing how these things develop.

1246
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:38.340
But this, and this is quite nice.

1247
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.539
The 2 of them talking about this plan, so they burn up, they're

1248
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:43.440
going to die anyway.

1249
00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:47.699
So why don't we just sort of vent all the plasma and try and get

1250
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:53.219
seen, you know, and this is the shot that they disappear in, isn't

1251
00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:53.400
it?

1252
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:54.840
Like we're filling the thing with smoke.

1253
00:55:54.900 --> 00:55:59.280
Oh, it's getting hot, she explained to the audience, even though

1254
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.300
they're all sweating.

1255
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.340
And so...

1256
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.260
So this is just a lock of their chances is this.

1257
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.980
Bach had no clue that they are going to get seen, but since

1258
00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:11.400
they're all going to die anyway, there's a remote chance that we

1259
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:12.059
might get seen.

1260
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.800
Which is better than none.

1261
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.440
So it's a completely logical decision to make.

1262
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.519
And I've got to say, the special effects on the new version are a

1263
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:21.059
lot of fun.

1264
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.400
The sort of the trail of plasma and all that.

1265
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:24.719
That's nice to look at.

1266
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.739
After an episode where there hasn't been too much to look at.

1267
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:29.940
No.

1268
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.079
Yeah.

1269
00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:33.179
What does that look like originally then?

1270
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:33.719
Did you see that?

1271
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:38.519
It's really, it's, yeah, there's nothing to it.

1272
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:42.960
I did see the green planet with a little line across it was even

1273
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.400
that was not particularly impressive.

1274
00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.800
Look at the look on Shatler's face.

1275
00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:47.579
He's like, right.

1276
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:49.980
As soon as Nemoy gets back on this ship.

1277
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.360
I'm going to tell him this is my show.

1278
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.860
Why did they have to call it mockus 3?

1279
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.380
That's such a main name, isn't it?

1280
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.460
I don't know what that is.

1281
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:05.940
Oh, see, this is the thing.

1282
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.380
I don't like this scene at all.

1283
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.460
You've got...

1284
00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:12.840
Kirk and McCoy sort of talking amongst themselves going, right

1285
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.519
when can we pull this prank on, Spock?

1286
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:16.920
Yeah.

1287
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:19.019
Oh no, so we're going to ask Spock a question.

1288
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:20.579
Ahura knows.

1289
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.579
Because she's at the side of the set with a smirk on her face, so

1290
00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:24.300
she knows what's coming.

1291
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:27.059
There's just one thing I don't understand, Spock.

1292
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:32.280
Yeah, you knew there was virtually no chance. seems to me to be an

1293
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.500
act of desperation, Mrs. Buck.

1294
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.360
That just doesn't make any sense.

1295
00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:38.340
Like, it doesn't make any sense.

1296
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.199
You knew there was nearly no chance.

1297
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:44.219
And I had he had a choice between no chance and nearly no chance.

1298
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.579
So why wouldn't you choose nearly no chance?

1299
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.280
Oh, I would have just said to him, Captain, you would have done

1300
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:51.780
exactly the same thing in my situation.

1301
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.519
Yeah, look at shut up.

1302
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:54.900
That's basically what he says.

1303
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.820
Look, it was plainly hopeless.

1304
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.659
Logic informed me that the only possible course of action was

1305
00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:06.360
doing something desperate, good for you, and he's right and don't

1306
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.360
mock him because he was the star of the show this week.

1307
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:13.860
But the non-punchline of this is, oh, Spock, you're, you know

1308
00:58:13.860 --> 00:58:15.659
you're such an unreasonable man, aren't you?

1309
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:16.320
Yeah.

1310
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:18.300
Is he stubborn?

1311
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.699
Yeah, are you a stubborn...

1312
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.980
It's an absolute non-joke, isn't it?

1313
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:26.400
Like, it's absolutely not funny. at all.

1314
00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:27.599
It's a crap joke.

1315
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.159
But it just weirdly feels like a gentle form of bullying as well.

1316
00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:34.559
Yeah, it's the episode on...

1317
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.500
Ahura thinks it's hilarious, though.

1318
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.920
Oh, yeah, Nichelle is absolutely going for it.

1319
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:42.719
God, Shatner.

1320
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:45.420
It's the 1st emotion she's been allowed to show it in the whole

1321
00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:45.780
episode.

1322
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:50.639
Yeah, she's so into it.

1323
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:52.679
It's the funniest thing she's ever heard.

1324
00:58:52.739 --> 00:58:53.460
Look at that.

1325
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.760
Forrest Kelly looks like he's going to fall over.

1326
00:58:56.820 --> 00:58:58.199
He blasts it so much.

1327
00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:03.360
And look, it goes on for about 15 seconds.

1328
00:59:03.420 --> 00:59:05.820
Keep going, keep going, keep going.

1329
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.800
Okay, all right. stand down.

1330
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.599
I mean, I would say that that is a typically TOS problem, but we

1331
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.780
have watched take me out to the holosuite, if you recall.

1332
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.300
They do laugh for a long time at the end of that.

1333
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:23.699
A very similar joke about a Vulcan being irrational as well.

1334
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:28.380
Well, I'll tell you what, right?

1335
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:29.579
There was something to that.

1336
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.699
Yeah, but there was a lot to that.

1337
00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:37.800
And there certainly wasn't enough for you and I to have complex

1338
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.780
conversations like we did last week.

1339
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.780
Yeah, it's funny.

1340
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.860
It is that thing where sometimes Star Trek is just brilliant and

1341
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:50.099
then sometimes you kind of think this is barely competent.

1342
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.059
Like, what the hell?

1343
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.320
How did this even go out?

1344
00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:57.900
Like, you know, it's kind of like clearly this went out because it

1345
00:59:57.900 --> 01:00:00.539
was either that or the test pattern. you know what I mean?

1346
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.860
Like it, like, you know, it's just not very good.

1347
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:10.380
I'll compare this to probably the other worst episode we've done

1348
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:12.000
so far, Wolf in the Fold.

1349
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:12.719
Okay.

1350
01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:17.099
And I think that's probably our worst episode because it was very

1351
01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:21.360
dull and it didn't take its concept anywhere and there was no

1352
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:22.440
decent character work in it.

1353
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.880
And there was good character working.

1354
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.679
But Wolf and the Fold was more visually interesting.

1355
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:29.519
I thought that weird planet, the floppy streets and all of that.

1356
01:00:29.579 --> 01:00:33.539
So it does go to show you even if TOS isn't firing on all

1357
01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:34.800
cylinders, there is something.

1358
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.900
There's always something good.

1359
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.159
I think, yeah, absolutely.

1360
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:42.780
And I think that there is a reason that this becomes a template

1361
01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:45.960
for so many later episodes because it's a good idea.

1362
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:50.519
It's just that they can't do the realistic dialogue really to kind

1363
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.139
of support it.

1364
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:53.880
And that never really works.

1365
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.480
Does it?

1366
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:58.500
Do you ever think it rings true when people call Spock kind of

1367
01:00:58.500 --> 01:00:59.639
racial things?

1368
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:01.380
It just seems super bizarre.

1369
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:07.500
Sometimes it really does push over into being... like unpleasant.

1370
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:11.099
So it makes McCoy, especially a really unlikeable character.

1371
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.559
And Deforest Kelly, it's so charming.

1372
01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:14.219
Why would you do that?

1373
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:15.780
Yeah, exactly.

1374
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.940
The movies get it right, I think.

1375
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.980
They say they've had time to think about it.

1376
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:24.719
I mean, you know, they push push away from the classic series.

1377
01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:28.440
And then it's all about the warmth that's between them.

1378
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.820
But it's just like a grumpy old man, isn't he, McCoy?

1379
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.239
Yeah.

1380
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:37.980
But the movies move away from the idea that these are all space

1381
01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:39.480
people as well, don't you think?

1382
01:01:39.539 --> 01:01:43.980
Like, that's the fun thing about the movies is that these people

1383
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:48.360
who, they're more chill than they are in next generation, but

1384
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:52.619
they're still space people, and then they're in movies, but

1385
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:56.400
they're in movies after we've known the characters for a long time

1386
01:01:56.699 --> 01:02:00.360
so they're much, much more comfortable and much, much more relaxed

1387
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.260
and much more fun to watch.

1388
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.559
First time I knew we were in sort of different ballpark was in

1389
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:10.079
Star Trek 2 when Shatner needs to read that book and he goes, oh

1390
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:10.679
for God's sakes.

1391
01:02:10.739 --> 01:02:13.079
And he has to put on a pair of glasses. like an old man.

1392
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:14.940
And I'm like, oh, okay.

1393
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.980
So Shatner of the original series.

1394
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.159
I don't think we would ever even...

1395
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.300
He has a flaw.

1396
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:23.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1397
01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:25.980
It's wandering around the ship with his shirt off, for God's

1398
01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:26.280
sake.

1399
01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:30.780
I mean, I'll also say the greatest enjoyment of that episode, the

1400
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:35.820
Galileo 7 was the terrible creatures in it because they were

1401
01:02:35.820 --> 01:02:37.079
highly amusing to watch.

1402
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:40.980
Yeah, if only they'd been more of them and they hadn't wisely

1403
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:43.260
tried to keep them off screen.

1404
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.340
I think, again, some stiff competition, they may be the shittest

1405
01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:51.239
creatures we've seen yet in untitled Star Trek project. think they

1406
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:51.539
might be.

1407
01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:02.159
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1408
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.800
work out what we're going to watch next time.

1409
01:03:05.099 --> 01:03:10.679
I was the one with the excellent taste last week to choose the

1410
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:11.760
Galileo 7.

1411
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:17.340
And so I'm going to let Joe make the decision this week and see if

1412
01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:18.480
he can't do any better.

1413
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:22.079
On average, you know, your choices of the last 10.

1414
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:22.920
Yeah.

1415
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:23.340
Yeah.

1416
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:24.420
Yeah.

1417
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.980
Although, although in within some of those episodes, there was a

1418
01:03:28.980 --> 01:03:31.139
lot of fun in them being. yeah, yeah, yeah.

1419
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1420
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:35.219
I am taking us back to 90s Strek again.

1421
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.079
You know, I always will.

1422
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:41.219
But it's just because the 3 shows I've chosen are

1423
01:03:41.219 --> 01:03:42.300
underrepresented.

1424
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:46.320
They're the lowest percentages in simply because there's so

1425
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:47.099
fucking much of them.

1426
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.659
So we are going to be either doing Star Trek, The Next Generation

1427
01:03:51.659 --> 01:03:53.400
Voyager or Enterprise.

1428
01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:54.840
Excellent.

1429
01:03:54.900 --> 01:03:55.920
All good choices.

1430
01:03:57.059 --> 01:04:00.480
I've done guarantee a good episode, but yeah.

1431
01:04:00.539 --> 01:04:04.920
Okay, your ra- Oh, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season

1432
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:09.300
two, episode 25, resolutions.

1433
01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:15.780
Ooh, that's the one where we've mentioned a strong hint of a

1434
01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:20.880
romance developing between Captain Janeway and Commander...

1435
01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:22.920
We have actually mentioned it on the podcast.

1436
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:23.519
I think.

1437
01:04:23.579 --> 01:04:25.380
And are they in a shuttle crash as well?

1438
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.440
A sexy shuttle crash, unlike the one we just watched.

1439
01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:31.019
They basically, they go down in these pods.

1440
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:32.820
They haven't got... have they got a shuttle?

1441
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.079
No, they do.

1442
01:04:34.139 --> 01:04:34.440
They do.

1443
01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:37.860
Yeah, it is it's not a crash, but they have to go down because

1444
01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:40.920
they've been infected with some poison or something. that's

1445
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:41.099
right.

1446
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.820
Some reason why they can no longer travel in space and they have

1447
01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:45.659
to set up shop.

1448
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.900
Janeway gets obsessed by this pet monkey that's visiting all the

1449
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:49.079
time.

1450
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:55.139
And Chakotay makes a beeline for, well, he's he's interested.

1451
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:55.920
I'll say that.

1452
01:04:55.980 --> 01:04:56.820
Okay.

1453
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.059
It's got the funniest, one of the funniest convention anecdotes of

1454
01:05:00.059 --> 01:05:03.539
all time when Kate Moker goes, do you remember that time when they

1455
01:05:03.539 --> 01:05:07.860
suggested a romance between Janeway and Chakotay, but Janeway was

1456
01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:10.860
far more interested in the monkey that kept coming to visit than

1457
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:12.539
she ever was in Chicago.

1458
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.599
Robert Belgium's like, what was that all about?

1459
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:17.280
She's like, well, look at you.

1460
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:17.699
Come on.

1461
01:05:18.059 --> 01:05:21.480
She's savage in conventions, you know, it's great.

1462
01:05:21.539 --> 01:05:22.139
Brilliant.

1463
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:25.320
I'm actually quite tempted to watch that.

1464
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:26.820
What do you think?

1465
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.980
We have mentioned it.

1466
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.219
It is a kind of, there are things to say, it's an important

1467
01:05:32.219 --> 01:05:32.639
episode.

1468
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:33.300
What do you reckon?

1469
01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:36.000
And it's got, it's Chewbok on the ship.

1470
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:37.980
Oh, he gets lost.

1471
01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:39.659
Taking the ship, taking the ship away from them.

1472
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:44.699
He's in command now and Harry Kim has strong objections about

1473
01:05:44.699 --> 01:05:46.679
leaving Mummy behind on the planet.

1474
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:48.539
So that's the tension on the ship.

1475
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:49.440
Oh, let's do it.

1476
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.519
It sounds really fun.

1477
01:05:50.579 --> 01:05:52.199
All right, you're on.

1478
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:58.440
All I want to see is your reaction to how lame, the complete lack

1479
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.340
of fucking that goes on on that planet is...

1480
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:07.320
They touch at one point, and that's supposed to be enough to

1481
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:09.480
suggest that they've had it off.

1482
01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.460
Oh, it's great.

1483
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:12.179
All right.

1484
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.039
Wow, let's find a resolution, shall we?

1485
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:15.360
Let's do that.

1486
01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:27.900
He's been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1487
01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:31.920
and Nathan Bottomley. where online at untitled Star Trek project

1488
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.619
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1489
01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:35.519
media accounts.

1490
01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:39.659
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1491
01:06:39.659 --> 01:06:41.519
composed by Cameron Larm.

1492
01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:45.719
This episode was recorded on the 3rd of October 2023 and released

1493
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.039
on the 6th of October.

1494
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:51.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Resolutions.

1495
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.519
Okay.

1496
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.320
Another boy show.

1497
01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:11.519
Another boy show.

1498
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.619
It's weird enough.

1499
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:18.000
It's a great quote from Jerry Taylor about this episode about how

1500
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:23.099
she wanted to put to bed any suggestion of Janeway and Shakotay

1501
01:07:23.099 --> 01:07:23.820
having a romance.

1502
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.800
And that's how she did it.

1503
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:26.940
That's the episode she did it in.

1504
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.440
Yeah. to say.

1505
01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:29.940
Because it doesn't really end it.

1506
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.320
We should like, or am I thinking of attached?

1507
01:07:34.380 --> 01:07:37.500
There's some sort of line where they talk about whether they

1508
01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:41.340
should think about exploring a relationship or not or what

1509
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:41.639
something.

1510
01:07:41.699 --> 01:07:46.679
So, you'll be pleased to know, Chakotay couches it all in one of

1511
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.679
his metaphors.

1512
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:50.099
Yeah.

1513
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:54.059
Instead of just saying, I really have feelings for you and I'd

1514
01:07:54.059 --> 01:07:55.260
like to be in a relationship with you.

1515
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.199
But he does confess that.

1516
01:07:58.260 --> 01:08:01.559
He does say I want to, I want to be in a relationship with you.

1517
01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:03.300
He doesn't say it in those sort of words.

1518
01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:08.340
And then the implication is that something's happened and then

1519
01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:11.940
they save them and they basically just sort of straighten their

1520
01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:14.039
uniforms on the bridge and it's never spoken about.

1521
01:08:14.099 --> 01:08:15.059
I never speak of this again.

1522
01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:20.640
So it might give you a great chance to run.

1523
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:21.659
Excellent.

1524
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.779
But you do get some good 2 box scenes.

1525
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:26.520
Yeah, well that would be nice.

1526
01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:28.020
That makes it change.

1527
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:32.399
I'm going to send you the website image for the episode we've just

1528
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:32.819
watched.

1529
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.600
It's going to be that creature in it somehow.

1530
01:08:38.340 --> 01:08:40.260
Yes, that's perfect.

1531
01:08:40.380 --> 01:08:41.819
Yeah.

1532
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:45.539
It's got the word Galileo on it.

1533
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:51.119
So, like, it's Galileo, and it's a guy with the Polystyron rock.

1534
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.220
I can see why they didn't do a close-up.

1535
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:58.439
It's absolutely chilling I did actually, there is actually quite a

1536
01:08:58.439 --> 01:08:59.100
good shot.

1537
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:04.140
Like if I was being more sensible uh, of them sitting in the in

1538
01:09:04.140 --> 01:09:07.079
the ship and everyone's just looking at Spock and Spock's kind of

1539
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:10.020
making a decision like it's a sort of group shot, which is

1540
01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:10.739
actually quite good.

1541
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.199
But I thought I'd go for stupid instead.

1542
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.020
It's perfect.

1543
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.000
Yeah, it's just brilliant.

1544
01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:20.699
Oh, okay, back to Voyager again.

1545
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:21.420
All right.

1546
01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:24.060
Yeah, I'm up for that. maybe I'll wash that in a minute.

1547
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:25.800
If I order some food.

1548
01:09:25.859 --> 01:09:27.119
I might order some food and stick it on.