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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back in Star Trek, the Next Generation territory, and this is its imperial stage, isn't it?

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It's season three. and we're about a 3rd of the way through with episode eight.

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It's the price and it's...

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I've seen this recently, you know.

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Yes.

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So what was the one?

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It was the masterpiece society when we were doing the masterpiece society, which was super boring.

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And then you got another Deanna romance episode.

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And one of the things that struck me all the way through this is that it's super weird to give these characters romance episodes because we just know it's not going to go anywhere.

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And you think about the romance episodes and they're all kind of a bit awful.

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They're all dreadful in all sorts of ways, aren't they?

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The only time they dare to give them romances that could potentially have consequences is when the show is ending in 5 episodes time.

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And like you said, they don't have to deal with it.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, and that's too regulars.

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That's not just this person who comes on for the week and who we know won't be there next week and so we know from the outset that this is doomed.

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And so it's kind of hard to know what's going on.

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I think the successful one for me is lessons with Australia's Wendy Hughes falling in love with Picard.

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I think that's not too bad, but probably in retrospect if I watch it now, I would decide it was terrible.

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Yeah, I was really trying very hard because I did name a couple, didn't I?

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And then you were going, yeah, but then all next gen.

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Yeah, I'm really, really hard to think of next gen romances that actually work.

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I don't think...

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I mean, don't you remember the dolphin from season two?

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Oh, God.

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Wesley Crusher and Seleo.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she turns into some various nylon monsters and stuff.

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It's really shockingly bad.

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I think the real romance in that story is between Wharf and Anya.

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Yes.

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She's being great, actually.

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Oh, do you know what?

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I've just thought of one that actually, it's not really kind of done as a big romance, but they've got great chemistry and that's Wesley and Robin Leffler.

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Yeah, Ashley Judd.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That is pretty good, actually.

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But again, that's not the focus of the episode, is it?

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Is it true what they say about your birthmark?

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She gets great, Mark.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but I don't know.

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I mean, I think the guy in this episode, so his name is Raal is such a creep.

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I know.

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And I really think that, you know, he should be punched in the face all the time.

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And there's this sort of obsession with the idea that the women shouldn't have jobs if they have relationships.

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So we've seen both Ronan and Odan express the wish for Beverly to quit her job and kind of run off with them.

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And then here there's this sort of weird thing about Deanna's job.

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But I don't know.

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I don't know what it is.

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Why do the men get attractive people to sleep within their romance episodes?

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I want to talk about the horrific, the perfect mate, which has at least Famke Yansen in it for Picard to kind of moon over and she's beautiful?

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But this guy's a massive creeper.

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And he just reminds me of Adam Scott in the good place.

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The demon called Trevor, who kept telling women that they weren't smiling enough and stuff.

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You know, he's such a creep.

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He's so awful.

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You think they think he's smooth?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, then there's something going very wrong here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I don't know what it is.

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It looks like like the script credit, is the script credit go to a woman?

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I think we should keep an eye out for it, but I got the impression that this was written by a woman.

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I mean, I did like the fact that Troy cuts loose a little bit in this episode.

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Because like you say, she's normally such a good girl.

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And here she's throwing shade at Captain Picard.

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She's ordering up as many chocolate ghettoes as she can get her hands on, ignoring her mother's hails and oiling up a man in her free time.

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I mean, she's having some fun.

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But I think she does learn a valuable lesson about not to do that is probably the problem with it, I think.

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The other thing is that I think that this flirts with being funny, but absolutely kind of shies away from it.

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On the page.

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I think this is quite funny in places.

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I think in execution.

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And you're right.

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You said to me off my, it's in the performance half the time, that they just, they're not relaxed enough to let the laughs go, you know?

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And a few years later, I think they would be.

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You know, this is series three.

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This is the 1st time the show is really kind of consistently getting it right.

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And they're still so stiff.

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They're such space people.

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And like compare this to the annual Spock sex comedy on Strange New Worlds, where they use Star Trek's high concept stuff to create ludicrous premises to embarrass Spock with.

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And both of those episodes work really well and are genuinely properly funny in all sorts of ways.

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But this only just kind of goes up to the brink of being funny and then shies away from it.

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But you know what the trouble is here is obviously TNG's come along and it is trying to push away from, you know, the ridiculousness of the original series, why they would feel the need to do that.

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I have no idea.

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And then they put out 2 seasons of the next generation, which are, in many ways, far more ridiculous than the original series, ever was, because they're trying to be very serious about things that are completely absurd.

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And now we're in series three.

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Michael Piller's coming in and Berman as well. and they're, and they are trying to smooth out the show, but they've still got this incredible bug up their bar about not having fun.

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Yeah.

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So even when they're trying to have fun, they're sort of pushing against having fun.

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So that's a weird mix.

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Because, I mean, this kind of works as a romantic comedy in a way because you've got this guy going around and he's kind of pulling all these quick ones on all of the other delegates and stuff.

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But everything is so kind of serious.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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We'll see as it goes I think.

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At what point did we get to, I don't know, I'll choose a lineup of a hat.

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Garak, an old man Bashir.

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If I was you, doctor, I'd grab a bottle of champagne and shoot me, you know, at what point did they start to just relax and let themselves have fun?

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Well, I don't think it ever really properly happens on Star Trek the Next Generation, although it's getting a bit more relaxed and a little bit more kind of normal by the end of the show's run.

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I think Marina, you know, what the trouble with Voyager is, is they get so relaxing. moves on into cringe.

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Yeah, oh, no, I think Voyagers always create into all of that sort of dialogue is just hugely embarrassing.

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I can't wait till we get one of those, you know, absolute duds.

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But I think Marina really kind of lands it in 1st contact when she gets drunk.

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Yeah, and from then on, they kind of go, actually, Marina's really fun and funny.

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Why don't we let Deanna just be more like her.

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And that really works.

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Unfortunately, there's not more...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, but that's good.

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Let's just let Marina go on the set and make up her lines.

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Look, she's pissed.

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Now, get a get a filmer now.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I reckon that there are lines here that she could have played like that.

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And she never does.

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Like there's the lure of being a good girl.

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She has to be a good girl for the show.

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And so she doesn't get to be naughty.

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And even that final line of hers.

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So the guy says, oh, you could be my conscience and I'm a bad man and I need reforming and blah, blah, blah.

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And she says, actually, I already have a job as a ship's counsellor, you know, but she doesn't make that land, you know, that she doesn't make that gag land.

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And it could be funny.

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She never.

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We've always been saying about these people are their job.

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So to give her the line, she just goes, you know, sort of proud.

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I'm a counsellor.

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You know, whereas what you bother to say to him is, oh, fuck off.

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Go on.

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Yeah, but what she is saying is, you're asking me to be your counsellor.

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Like I've already got a job as a counsellor.

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Thanks.

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You know, like I'm not going to have a relationship with a man who I have to counsel all the time.

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You can just get sassy enough.

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No, shame that.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm trying to think what Dax would have said to this fella.

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Yeah, yeah.

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See, I think romances are things that the show should do.

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And I think for a show that has had a kind of male following and romance is, you know, has historically overwhelmingly been a female interest, I think it's important that that sort of stuff gets done.

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But I do think it's embarrassing the way that Star Trek, the Next Generation, does it with the women being kind of a bit passive and the men being incredible creeps.

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And I say one thing positive, though, before we go in.

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Yeah, and that is, even though it doesn't quite land, I really appreciate the spotlight on Marina Surtis and Troy, because that's something that TNG don't get right a lot of the time, you know, there's some, a lot of episodes where she gets 2 lines or it doesn't feature, you know, Counsellor Troy has gone off in a shuttlecraft or something for the episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So just having an episode centred on Troy and just letting her relax a little bit is a massive positive.

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But also, I said to you off bike, this is so tricked by the numbers.

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We've got a wormhole over here. crazy looking little bomarian alien occurring over here.

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There's negotiations, the Ferengia being sleeves bags, you know, and it's so comfortable to watch this.

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I don't really very good.

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Okay, a great deal.

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No, but it's fun.

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Enjoyable next generation, just because we had so much of this and we loved it at the time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it's an easy watch, despite the fact a lot of it is cringe.

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Yeah, I don't think we were wrong to love it.

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I think it is really fun and it does all the Star Trek things and it has, you know, it's not funny, but it does have a kind of lower decks vibe.

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This is the version of Star Trek that Lower Decks is making fun of most of the time.

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I think it's I really like it.

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Well, you know what?

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I also, I love lower decks making fun of it because that's hilarious.

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But then I love the material they're making fun of as well.

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It's win-win.

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Yeah.

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No, well, they they feel the same way, I think.

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Well, let's go and win. should we?

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Yeah, we should.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Do you know what, right?

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I was so excited to watch this, the time you told me we had to watch the masterpiece society.

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I was like I cannot wait to talk about this episode.

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Okay, so this is her coming in.

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She's had a long day offering counselling services to the crew.

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Yeah, so I'm trying to work out what her through line is.

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Is her through line here that she's a bit sick of her job, or she's a bit sick of everyone.

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She feels a bit beleaguered and it's kind of funny.

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She's got these letters from her mother and that reaction is really funny and kind of her being a bit naughty.

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You got to remember, right?

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These people on the Enterprise have to spend their entire day pretending like they're happy with these boring jobs that they've got.

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So this is the one chance they've got to whinge about it and she's listened to that all day.

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Yeah, and now she wants a chocolate sundae and the computer's telling her, no, that's unhealthy.

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You can't have it, which I think is pretty great.

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And like Deanna wants chocolate is like the most kind of basic character trait.

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Do you know what I mean?

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This is...

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That's the only character trait that she's got.

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That's exactly it.

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We returned to it.

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Mind you, there is that sequence. in the episode where she's eating the one in 10 forward and she's almost having orgasm over it.

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She's describing the ritual of eating the chocolate.

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Well, then doesn't Riker say, should I leave the 2 of you alone?

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You know?

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No, he goes, he goes, it sounds almost romantic and she looks at him, goes in the eye, goes, Chocolate is a very serious business.

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But I love this.

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I love this thing where she says, I'm not really dressed for a reception.

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And Picard's line is so hilariously uncharacteristic. just throw anything on.

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That's funny.

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Like, what is he saying?

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It's sexist line number one.

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It's so...

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It's so not him.

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Oh, counsellor, just throw any out.

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But I also really like Riker and her together as they walk in.

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Like this episode needs to establish that they're close friends and that like 10 seconds really sells it, I think.

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I think I think actually this does some nice things with their relationship because she's with this dreadful bloke.

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But also, like, I was...

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Watching this, I was thinking about Kursman Trek and where they end up and all of this run of Next Generation now gives context to that relationship and where it comes up.

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So thank you, Kurtzman Trek, for taking these crumbs that we had for these 7 years and making something of it.

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You made a cake out of it.

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Well done.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this guy, so here is Raal. and he has most incredible eyes.

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I know.

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It's the most amazing thing about it, Mike.

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Yeah.

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And I kind of like, because remember, so is this your Beaumarian guy?

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Both of them, both of them.

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One's got an enormous head that looks like a butt.

224
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And the woman's got a hair that has been crimped within an inch of its life.

225
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So she's a barzan and they, uh, you know, so none, obviously from Discovery, uh, series 2, we actually saw her in the episode that we did recently recently.

226
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Oh here we go.

227
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What's that fellow at Barzan in series one, you know, where he's at the academy with Wesley?

228
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No, no, no, because he's got that he's got that blue head, doesn't he?

229
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He's got... that he's...

230
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Whiskey smoke coming out of his thing.

231
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Yeah, yeah.

232
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So she has that because she can't breathe air, like normal air because her planet is, and that's why they need someone else to run the wormhole.

233
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So all of that sort of setup.

234
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Like, I think that setup is actually quite good.

235
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And so clearly do the people who are spinning off Deep Space 9 because from this, we get the idea of a stable wormhole and of the Gamma Quadrant and the Delta Quadrant.

236
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This is the 1st time we've actually properly talked about quadrants.

237
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They go through, don't they?

238
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And he goes, no, this isn't the gamma quadrant.

239
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This is the Del Quadrant.

240
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And I don't think anybody expected there to be a sequel to this episode. in series 3 of Voyager, False Prophets.

241
00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:53.279
Yeah. set up on some ditsy alien planet and they're gods placing the life out of them.

242
00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:54.600
I mean, it's quite fun.

243
00:15:54.659 --> 00:15:56.820
It is like an old TOS episode, actually.

244
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Right, right.

245
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I have seen it, obviously, but I can't remember it all that well.

246
00:16:00.779 --> 00:16:02.700
But it is the same actors, is it?

247
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They get Dr. Arador and what's his face?

248
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Yes, okay.

249
00:16:07.019 --> 00:16:13.320
And Ethan Philip gets a chance to don Ferengi makeup again and pretend to be...

250
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The grand proxy.

251
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That's it.

252
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Oh, I'm just such a ridiculous franchise.

253
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I love it.

254
00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:27.000
But I mean, that like all of that stuff is incredibly fun.

255
00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:38.039
And so we have the enterprise is this place where all of these different groups are trying to kind of, what bid for the right to, oh, they're buying it, aren't they?

256
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They're bidding for the right to kind of run it.

257
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I just don't think the negotiations themselves and the games that Ra is playing are particularly interesting.

258
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That's the trouble.

259
00:16:48.179 --> 00:16:54.000
Well, they all seem to suggest he's just great psychologist and he's done amazing moves.

260
00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:55.379
And I was like, no, really.

261
00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.720
He just said to him, well, you know, I'll offer you a bit of money.

262
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You give me your things and then I'll, you know, win over Riker.

263
00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:10.440
Yeah, I mean, each time he manages to discover something about them that informs the way that he approaches it.

264
00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:11.279
I think.

265
00:17:11.339 --> 00:17:16.680
So there is something there, but it's just not very interesting and you have to be clever.

266
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I think, to write a clever person and we perhaps don't have that here.

267
00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:23.700
Since we have 2 aliens here on the bow moss scale.

268
00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.859
I'm going to ask you now, please, if you can break them both.

269
00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:32.339
Okay, so I think that the Barzan is probably a 6 or a 7.

270
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It's pretty standard.

271
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And in fact, it's only the crimping hair, which isn't a particularly alien thing.

272
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It's just a period thing.

273
00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:41.940
It is pretty shockingly bad.

274
00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.980
But I think she's just a seven.

275
00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.039
Oh, look, I think he's a solid 9.8, that guy.

276
00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:49.500
That whore...

277
00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:58.799
Like he, I'm going to knock off about .3 because he has 3 fingers on each hand, but he has massive rings on the fingers, I think.

278
00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.660
That enormous head.

279
00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.640
It's a huge butt head.

280
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I mean, do you think he had to sort of bend down to get through those low doors?

281
00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:06.839
I don't know.

282
00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:07.680
It is pretty terrible.

283
00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:11.339
The writer of this episode is Hannah Louise Shearer.

284
00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.700
So the sexist lions came from a woman.

285
00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:15.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

286
00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:18.119
Oh, so in here, the Frankie.

287
00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:22.200
And this, actually, see this, I actually think this is funny.

288
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And Western chairs.

289
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Star Trek funny.

290
00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

291
00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:28.200
Star Trek the Next Generation funny.

292
00:18:28.259 --> 00:18:36.000
But their obsession with chairs, and then the way that Picard diffuses it is kind of funny, and you can have my chair.

293
00:18:36.059 --> 00:18:37.619
Like I think that's pretty great.

294
00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:39.779
Do you know what the trouble is?

295
00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:45.180
We were talking about humour earlier. is they don't trust you to get the joke the 1st time.

296
00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.480
So we do this chair thing 3 times and then there's the punchline.

297
00:18:48.539 --> 00:18:58.500
Later on, there's a scene between, and it is quite funny between Geordie and data when they're in a shuttlecraft and Geordie goes, oh, Jesus Christ, I could end up stuck in here for the rest of my life.

298
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And that's the funny part.

299
00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.480
And then Data has to say, oh, don't worry, Geordie.

300
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I'll be here with you as well.

301
00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:08.759
And I'm like, you couldn't have trusted us to get that, you know?

302
00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:09.720
No, that's it.

303
00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:15.539
I think that they're not comic writers, so they're not very good at writing funny material.

304
00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:17.519
And they're not very good at directing it either.

305
00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:26.640
And I think there are some cuts between scenes that are supposed to be funny, but they don't they don't last comedies for TNG is raw more. raw more tapestry.

306
00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:28.140
And that's a very funny episode.

307
00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.039
Yeah, yeah.

308
00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:31.680
Is there a gene luck picket here?

309
00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:37.140
Actually, can I say about the Ferengi in the next generation?

310
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:47.700
Because I think DSI did come along and completely revolutionised the race, but and very often the Ferengi are utterly one, though, they're not funny in the next generation.

311
00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.000
No, I think these guys actually do work.

312
00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:52.140
Oh, yeah.

313
00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:53.700
Yeah, I think so too.

314
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.019
I love this too.

315
00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.400
This is so TV, isn't it?

316
00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:03.359
It's kind of like, oh, I thought you were thinking about me and she goes, oh, no, not really, but of course she was, you know, Googling him just before he walked in.

317
00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:06.599
She was Facebook stalking robles and shit, you know.

318
00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:09.000
Ambassadorial Facebook.

319
00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.700
Look terrible, isn't it?

320
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.220
non-confrontational counsellor said.

321
00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.259
It's got sort of pink pastels on a screen, isn't it?

322
00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:20.759
Yeah, but then green.

323
00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:22.259
I just sort of think, what are we doing?

324
00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:23.519
What are you doing?

325
00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.059
I think the most exciting colour in this set is Rao's eyes.

326
00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:36.240
Yeah, although I am giving, I think it's pretty close between that and Deanna's lipstick in this scene is pretty great.

327
00:20:36.299 --> 00:20:38.339
Circular sort of plate on the wall there.

328
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.960
That's a decoration.

329
00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:41.460
That's a picture. don't know.

330
00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:45.839
It looks like, you know, you know those pictures you used to have when you could sort of scrape sand across some ink?

331
00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:49.980
Yeah, but I think there's other ones of those on the Enterprise.

332
00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:51.119
I think that's not the only one.

333
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.059
The thing is, it's supposed to be this luxury shit, right?

334
00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.400
Honest to God, the materials that they've made this out.

335
00:20:56.460 --> 00:20:59.279
It looks like a good sneeze would set it all off, doesn't it?

336
00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:00.839
I thought it was impressive at the time.

337
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:02.579
So...

338
00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:07.440
This is super creepy and weird.

339
00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:08.519
Like, what's this?

340
00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:10.680
And like, look how tense she is.

341
00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:13.200
Like, it's really unpleasant.

342
00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:15.180
Like, she's not...

343
00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:19.200
Once upon a time, I was sitting in a cafe in Brian, yeah.

344
00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:22.619
And a fella popped up on Grinder and went, can you feel this?

345
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:23.819
And he blew on my back.

346
00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.079
He was literally behind me.

347
00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:28.200
He was blowing in my ear in the middle of a cafe.

348
00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:31.680
So I was a bit like Troy at the scene, very tense, but very turned on.

349
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.779
So I kind of get it, all right?

350
00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.779
So yeah, no, this is like, this is incredibly creepy.

351
00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.039
And and he is doing the thing that he does with all the other delegates as well.

352
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:42.059
Do you know what I mean?

353
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:54.839
We saw in the 1st scene that Deanna feels like she never escapes the responsibilities of being counselorant like it's a mum and it's the wormhole and she can't have any ice cream because the computer tells her not to and all of that.

354
00:21:54.900 --> 00:21:58.799
And so that's what he goes straight for in order to get to her.

355
00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:03.420
And so like, is he kind of, is he creeping on her?

356
00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:09.059
Is he just like, is this some gross kind of seduction community thing happening?

357
00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:14.640
Watching that scene there where he was sort of messing up her hair in a really obscene way.

358
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:21.059
Without the dialogue or without hearing them saying the words, it really looked like quite unpleasant.

359
00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:26.759
Like she was going through something unpleasant, even though I think at the dialogue, she's going, hmm, you know, really enjoying it.

360
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:27.779
Yeah, yeah.

361
00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.359
The body language is suggesting something else.

362
00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:32.339
Yeah, yeah.

363
00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:45.779
I mean, part of the problem is that, uh, you know, Star Trek, as I've said before, doesn't do subtext and people just come out and say exactly how they're feeling about things and they don't talk like normal people.

364
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:47.220
They talk like space people.

365
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.859
And so he just comes across as a kind of creeper.

366
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.119
I think.

367
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:54.180
Do you remember when, sorry, anyway, I jump about the place.

368
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:58.980
Do you remember when Dax got sick to death of Wolf, not noticing her?

369
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.680
So she goes to him, look, Grooker and Quark.

370
00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:06.059
They're on the same page and at least he notices her and he looks at her like, what are you talking about?

371
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.200
And then she just goes, oh, computer, give me a bat lift and beats the shit out of him.

372
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:14.160
And I'm like, finally, you know, we're diving it all completely spelled out.

373
00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:17.220
Sometimes they do stop text.

374
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.059
Not often.

375
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.039
It's worth celebrating when they do.

376
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:23.519
Not in next gen, though, particularly, you know.

377
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:26.640
Is it a case of finding their feet, though, sort of?

378
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.460
Or is it just... they haven't bothered?

379
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.420
Yeah, I think so.

380
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.339
But I actually like this too.

381
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:43.200
I know it's shitty, but the captain says, you know, the Federation could find themselves buying a proverbial lemon and data just turns and says a proverbial lemon because you just think that's what's that?

382
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:49.140
And he goes later data, which I just think like we characterised data that way.

383
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:53.099
I think that that's a kind of funny and very efficient way of just doing that.

384
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.420
I think it's true.

385
00:23:54.539 --> 00:24:00.059
That absolutely is a trope of next gen of someone saying something a data saying, well, what does that mean?

386
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:00.420
You know?

387
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:09.240
But then usually the episode, like, in series one, he would be walking around with a lemon, you know, going, I'm really trying to figure out what's proverbial about it.

388
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:19.559
Also, the other thing is too, because Pecan's a space person, he can't actually say the Federation could end up buying a lemon. you know what I mean?

389
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:21.420
Because that's what people say.

390
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.299
And so he has to say a proverbial lemon as well.

391
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.160
And so I like data hanging a hat on that.

392
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:30.779
So here are the... baffling is how...

393
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.619
Ferengi are always characterised as being incredibly misogynistic.

394
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:47.279
And It's commented on all the time by the regulars of various shows who are also behaving, you know, generally misogynistic way.

395
00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:50.519
As exemplified by this episode.

396
00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:52.380
Meanwhile, he is Raal.

397
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:57.180
Counsellor Troy, just throw any old thing on is a very sexist line, you know?

398
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.200
Yeah, yeah.

399
00:24:58.259 --> 00:24:59.819
Look, where is?

400
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:00.779
What is he wearing?

401
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.339
Is it?

402
00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:02.940
Very 91.

403
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.640
It's really bad. isn't it?

404
00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:09.900
And you, hers isn't too much, but she's got this sort of blue cocktail dress going here.

405
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.339
Very strange.

406
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.420
Yeah.

407
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:13.920
I mean, I don't know.

408
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:15.299
I don't mind.

409
00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:18.420
But I'll just say something very weird.

410
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:19.799
What's that?

411
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.259
You don't like seeing straight people kiss on telly?

412
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.779
I definitely don't like seeing that.

413
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.079
No.

414
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.599
I don't realise seeing gay people go. not seeing much kissing, if I'm honest.

415
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:34.140
There's too much hair going on here.

416
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.819
I realise we're just out of the 80s.

417
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:37.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

418
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.559
And she's letting her hair down as well because normally it's art for the job.

419
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:43.740
I don't know who is drinking champagne out of those glasses.

420
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.579
That an atrocity.

421
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.960
They're clearly plastic goblets.

422
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:55.380
Oh, I did like this line where she says, no, it's moving too fast for me.

423
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.539
I'm moving too fast for me.

424
00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:59.279
Oh, that's it, yeah, sorry.

425
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.480
Yeah, I'm moving, trust me.

426
00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:00.720
Yeah.

427
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:01.259
Yeah.

428
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.819
So she's acknowledging, but this is not her usual pattern of behaviour.

429
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.880
Like, it would be fun if we thought this was fun.

430
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:09.900
Do you know what I mean?

431
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:21.420
If like he was having his end away and it didn't kind of matter and she was too and like she's been exhausted by work and she thinks he's hot and she goes, yeah, let's fucking we'll then get on with our lives.

432
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.700
But this Star Trek can't do that.

433
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.859
And although it wants to, do you know what I mean?

434
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:31.079
And where it hints at it, I think, is Riker's lack of jealousy about Raal.

435
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:37.140
Well, I mean, it's clearly sort of bubbling under, but it's never explicitly stated, yeah.

436
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:46.200
No, I think there's that one moment where he just smiles and says, you know, if you, you know, like, and he's honest.

437
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:56.819
I think that it is the fact that he's he's absolutely lacking in jealousy about this because he trusts her to do what's right for her and he's known her for long enough.

438
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.079
And I thought that was good.

439
00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:01.259
Yeah, we go. doing some acting.

440
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.720
Mendoza's doing some poison acting.

441
00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:15.839
But you know what, where I figured this episode was going when I watched it when we did the masterpiece society, was that he was using Troy as a way of diverting Riker.

442
00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:17.400
I figured that was all part of his plan.

443
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:19.200
And what it turned out was it?

444
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.799
No, he just he has fallen for her and he wants to drag her around the universe with him.

445
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.000
Yeah, yeah.

446
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:27.900
And well, I mean, he's he's come on to Troy in the last scene.

447
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.940
Riker's only being made one of the ambassadors in this scene.

448
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.160
So it's clearly not a ploy.

449
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:37.380
But they're happy to make him an asshole.

450
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.900
That would have been like the ultimate arshole move, wouldn't it?

451
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:40.980
Yeah, yeah.

452
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:46.619
Is he doing it so that she doesn't spring him?

453
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.779
I think he's doing it because he's horny.

454
00:27:48.839 --> 00:28:02.279
Well, I think he is too, but there is that sort of cute line about, oh, I think, you know, maybe my human side overwhelmed, my human desires overwhelmed my beta Zoid instincts, and they both say that at different times in the episode.

455
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.200
I don't know.

456
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:06.299
So you look at the walls here.

457
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.960
I have actually recently been installing carpet on my walls.

458
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.299
I sort of walk past and stroke it, you know?

459
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.180
It's classic 24th century design.

460
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:23.279
So classic, it's been seen recently in 2023.

461
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:27.900
Oh, was that?

462
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.400
Dr. Bev's only seen there.

463
00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:31.619
Just sort of looking over a bit worrying.

464
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.579
Taking out by a mysterious ailment number one.

465
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.220
Who could possibly be behind this?

466
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.180
Who could?

467
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.819
Well, he just is the Fringi for the Fringi immediately.

468
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:56.940
And so, Riker, this is Riker. standing in for an indisposed ambassador before he does it again in the host. way he carries himself.

469
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.039
I mean, he's all man, isn't he?

470
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:01.619
Look at his swagger as he walks down this corridor.

471
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.359
His shoulders back, his arms swing, his limbs are all very loose.

472
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:09.000
He's really something.

473
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:11.220
I mean, I love frakes.

474
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:18.420
I love Jonathan Frakes so much and we still have him and he, you know, like he's like a grandfather to the franchise now.

475
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.380
He's still directing.

476
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.299
Sorry to interrupt you.

477
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.400
Did you see at the back of the bridge set there?

478
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:25.619
Somebody was wearing one of the old series 2 uniforms?

479
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

480
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.380
They're still doing that in series three.

481
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:34.440
So it takes a while to rotate those uniforms off and so there are a few of those on bit players.

482
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:39.599
And in fact, it seems to be that in, because those uniforms are just from last year, aren't they?

483
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:42.539
So they don't replace them all straight away.

484
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:43.680
It does take a little while.

485
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:45.240
They're a vast improvement, I think.

486
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:50.160
No one can act in Spandex. tiny little shuttle set that they're a.

487
00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:55.019
I mean, by the time we get to DS night, It's like a house, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah.

488
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.519
So they've built that, though.

489
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.259
Like that sets the little...

490
00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:59.880
I love the little Ferengi pod.

491
00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:00.839
I think it's adorable.

492
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:07.140
I can't help but notice that the bars are wormhole looks like one of their stock planets with a hole in the middle.

493
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.039
With a hole in the middle.

494
00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:11.279
But look at the look at the wibbly things inside it.

495
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:15.240
You know, this is a forerunner of what we're going to see on Deep Space Nine.

496
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:26.640
This just goes to show you the difference between your standard Star Trek budget, which is what this episode has, and the £18000000 that they had, sorry, dollars, for emissary when they did the worm role in that.

497
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:30.480
And I mean, they use that effect over and over again, don't they?

498
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:32.819
I mean, once they realise it in the computer, they've got it.

499
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.319
I mean, it is pretty good.

500
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:35.339
Oh it's great.

501
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:35.880
It should.

502
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.500
Yeah.

503
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.279
This stuff just look like they are going sort of through a gay disco.

504
00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:42.599
There's lots of sort of sporty lights.

505
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:46.380
It is very heavily made up in this scene, I think, Raal.

506
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:51.299
But yes, they are really going for one another, aren't they?

507
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.099
And so this is the thing too.

508
00:30:53.160 --> 00:31:00.420
So he's detected that she is anxious about, oh my god, look at her makeup.

509
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.779
Okay, look at the chrysalians, mate.

510
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.740
I know.

511
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:05.460
I know.

512
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:15.000
That is exactly the sort of makeup, but when Kate Mulgrove said they were testing us, all right, our acting abilities to act alongside these people.

513
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:16.859
Yeah, yeah.

514
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:18.599
Yeah, holy crap.

515
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:19.680
I love this too.

516
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:26.099
So the proposal, benefits to the people of Barsan Planetary Republic, the Barsanian planet.

517
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:37.079
So this is the Federation proposal, and they've stayed up all night producing these sort of 7 bullet points under 2 headings, one, two, oh, no, it's, it's, uh, it's 8 under that 1st hand.

518
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:38.160
I can't bear this scene.

519
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:40.019
Oh, there is.

520
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:43.380
You don't like feed, and I don't, you know, like I don't mind.

521
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.880
I don't mind my feet being touched, but I don't want to see some woman having a feet all gross.

522
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.319
It could be the 1st thing we've seen, you know, in our run so far.

523
00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:56.519
Well, we did see Dr. Fox cutting his own toenails, though.

524
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.039
I don't know, though.

525
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.779
It was gross.

526
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.759
I didn't think that was a particularly gross.

527
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:10.619
Like, like, I'm not, you know, like I'm not, it was squeamish or anything, but I thought that was absolutely unsexy and utterly gross.

528
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.500
They are being sensual with each other here.

529
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.819
Why isn't this sexy?

530
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.400
Because it's he's horrible.

531
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.720
I don't know.

532
00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:24.420
She picks up the bottle in a minute and starts moving it, all the oil over his chest, you know?

533
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.940
It's as gross as anything.

534
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.200
Why is it so gross?

535
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:29.339
I can't get over.

536
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.079
But can I say one thing to you?

537
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:31.920
Yeah.

538
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:39.180
La, la, la, la, la, la, la.

539
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:41.039
What is going on?

540
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.799
It's dreadful, bad.

541
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:46.319
The music is so cheesy.

542
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:49.440
I hear if ever I'm reading a Mills and Boone, you know?

543
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:55.380
Yeah, no, but like I, you know, like I am someone who actually likes romance.

544
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:56.279
Do you know what I mean?

545
00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:57.900
Like, obviously not straight romance.

546
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.039
We've had more than enough of that.

547
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:02.339
But, like, I...

548
00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:05.640
But, you know, like, I'd like it as a genre.

549
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.819
I think it's fun and like I think romantic comedy is really fun.

550
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:17.579
And I wish that this version of Star Trek could do it, but all of the sex it does, like, fuck me, why is she doing that on my show?

551
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.339
And like, like...

552
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.180
Oh, horrible.

553
00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:28.500
It's it's even worse than the weird creepy horniness of Gene Roddenbury in series one and two.

554
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:37.140
And it's now strange because this is too consenting adults not behaving in a bad way in wearing a lot of makeup.

555
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.079
Neither of them are looking at their most attractive.

556
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:48.119
When I 1st saw you, I felt I had been waiting for you. my whole life.

557
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:50.819
It is trying.

558
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.279
Yeah, Beth Bart.

559
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:57.299
Like, they're just having a fuck, you know, like, why does it have to be like this?

560
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.700
Well, you just shove it in already.

561
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:00.900
Let's just get rid of it.

562
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.319
Come on.

563
00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:06.180
Let's eat some more chocolate and then watch telly and then have more sex.

564
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.140
Do you know what I mean?

565
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.280
Like, it's just nothing really like anything that anyone has actually enjoyed, I think.

566
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:12.599
In fact, you know what?

567
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.460
Sorry to keep bringing in my personal life.

568
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.480
Every time I've tried doing this, you know, candles and oil and things like that.

569
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.300
It's just never as good as just having sex.

570
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.199
Just have sex.

571
00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:22.920
Ridiculous.

572
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.599
It's just ridiculous.

573
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.699
It's not about his family.

574
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:27.780
Do you know what I mean?

575
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:29.880
Well, she's like, don't do that.

576
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.440
She must be frothing.

577
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.980
I was like, I'm so sorry.

578
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.679
It's really gross.

579
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.119
Yeah.

580
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.940
I've learned to live with my telepathy as you have.

581
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.659
And the music is playing throughout this entire season.

582
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:46.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.159
Lots of knowing, sort of longing looks at each other.

584
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.280
I mean, ooh, look at her cushions as well.

585
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.179
I don't look comfortable.

586
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.440
They don't.

587
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:57.059
No, they really don't.

588
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.139
They're space portions.

589
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.320
Nothing's worse than those triangular cushions in DS9.

590
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.820
They look so uncomfortable.

591
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.760
You'd need about 15 just to get your head locked up.

592
00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:12.659
Oh god, I wasn't realising I needed my telepathy until I met you, Deanna.

593
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.739
Oh, God.

594
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:14.639
Oh, God.

595
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:15.480
Oh, God.

596
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:18.059
She's getting on top.

597
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:18.900
Do you remember that shit?

598
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:19.860
straddling him.

599
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.139
No, she's moving over and decorously.

600
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.340
They're just going in for the hug.

601
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.139
Oh, thank God, a wormhole.

602
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:27.239
I've never been so grateful.

603
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:31.920
I've never been so grateful for techno babble in Star Trek.

604
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.380
That's why it's the tiny set because it's on gimbals.

605
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.280
Like they're actually literally moving the set around rather than moving the cameras around.

606
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:39.239
That's adorable.

607
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.199
Look at that.

608
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.920
The crazy coloured lights that were going on as well.

609
00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:45.599
Yeah, it's really fun.

610
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:46.320
That's awesome.

611
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.039
You know what?

612
00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:52.679
I bet LeVar Burton and Brett Spider looked at each other whilst this was all going on going, how did our careers come to this?

613
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:55.139
No, I reckon they're going, this is so much fun.

614
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.260
We get to ride in this thing. paid for this.

615
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.260
It's adorable.

616
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:03.840
Oh, shy.

617
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:05.280
Oh, this is where that line is.

618
00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:06.960
Yeah, I could be stuck here forever.

619
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:08.579
Oh, don't worry, Geordie.

620
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.019
I'll be here with you.

621
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.539
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

622
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.320
Yeah.

623
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:16.800
So, and even the 70 years thing in Voyager.

624
00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:17.699
Do you know what I mean?

625
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:19.679
Like at 70 or 80 years before?

626
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:24.719
those Ferengi are going to, you know, they're going to run into those Ferengi and stuff.

627
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:33.840
So even having that a galaxy of that scale, like this is the scale of the galaxy, it takes 70 years to get from one quadrant to another.

628
00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:44.219
Well, I do have to say that during a Deanna Troy romance episode, I never really thought that Data and Geordie were going to be stranded across the universe.

629
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.380
Like I always knew they would get home.

630
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.219
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

631
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:47.940
Oh, yeah, yeah.

632
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.739
But I kind of like...

633
00:36:49.739 --> 00:36:51.239
Nathan, here we go.

634
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:52.380
Oh, here we go.

635
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:53.159
Ad break.

636
00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:54.659
Oh, see.

637
00:36:55.019 --> 00:36:57.360
That, oh, look at that.

638
00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:58.920
Her bum.

639
00:36:58.980 --> 00:36:59.579
Okay.

640
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.920
So this scene, is this the scene that was famously written because the 2 women were not getting on?

641
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.380
Oh, that right?

642
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.460
Well, I thought I remembered that there was one of these scenes.

643
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.460
So these scenes are not that common in Star Trek.

644
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:15.780
The Next Generation.

645
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.840
But a scene where they both talk about their love lives.

646
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.059
Oh, Nathan.

647
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:21.420
Yeah.

648
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:33.360
So I said last week it was episode one, but it's episode 2 of series 4 of Lower Decks, where Shacks and Ransom are doing this set of exercises in these outfits.

649
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.460
It is on board the Sarita.

650
00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:42.179
Including this thing where they're kind of facing one another with their legs out, kind of stretching each other.

651
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.159
It's just like, what, you do with a child?

652
00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.340
You know, when you do sort of row, row?

653
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:48.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

654
00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:49.739
Back and forth, what is this?

655
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.300
What sort of exercising is this?

656
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.699
I don't know.

657
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.199
Can I say something really, really bad?

658
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:56.760
What's that?

659
00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:58.619
Well, that is so tight.

660
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.619
I can see that Gates McFadden has not shaved for this episode.

661
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.139
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. camel toe here, but I actually like...

662
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:08.820
I actually like this.

663
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:14.460
The thing that Gate says, the thing that Beverly says, which is, oh, I had a relationship like that.

664
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.980
I fell in love immediately, it lasted a week.

665
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.760
It was really hot.

666
00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:20.099
And I just sort of think, yep, okay, that's what we want.

667
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.780
Oh, Frankie, that long?

668
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.239
And then, did you see it?

669
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:25.380
Yeah, I did.

670
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:26.340
And then the woman walks off.

671
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.840
I mean, once again, I'm like, thank God we're doing dick jokes.

672
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.000
And then he goes up to her and tries the same thing.

673
00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:36.059
The next woman comes along and he's about to do the same thing.

674
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:40.500
I mean, there's nothing sophisticated about that humour, but it's not really like Star Trek, is it?

675
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.320
Well, that's what I think that's what's funny about it.

676
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:46.920
I think that the reason that that's funny is that it's so un Star Trek.

677
00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:52.980
You know, just watching this as a series of images.

678
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.519
This may be the most scariest episode I've watched here.

679
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.480
That leotard was going straight up.

680
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.420
I don't even want to say.

681
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:04.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:06.059
They just don't care, do they?

683
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.739
terrible, isn't it?

684
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.440
So again, see, he goes right for the thing we start to see it.

685
00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:15.059
And look, the camera moves on him.

686
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.519
He's looking like an all-American boy.

687
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.380
He looks sounds sympathetic.

688
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.900
You know, the cameras are moving close in.

689
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:27.000
Like all of that stuff that could actually have been kind of funny and that cut.

690
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:34.260
That sudden cut away from that speech into this guy saying he doesn't want to buy the wormhole anymore.

691
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.380
And that's clearly a comedy jump card, isn't it?

692
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.980
in the script?

693
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.179
That's surely what it is.

694
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.340
But they can't commit to it.

695
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.139
No, because they can't commit to it.

696
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.980
And it's...

697
00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:47.639
No, I can't help but notice you and I are generally laughing at all the things they're getting wrong here.

698
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

699
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:49.800
Yeah.

700
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:54.840
But I just don't think I just I think that this could have been funnier.

701
00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:59.340
I think like I said earlier, on the page, it kind of works.

702
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.360
Yeah.

703
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.659
They're just not relaxed enough to...

704
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.039
I think that it as it should.

705
00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:11.699
I refuse to believe that any species would develop with that cranium.

706
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.599
Big head.

707
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:18.420
Maybe they run into one another or something is part of a mating ritual.

708
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.340
They just kind of smash heads together.

709
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.639
So that's it. has now taken out the chrysanthemums or whatever they're called.

710
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:27.119
Yes.

711
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:34.619
Um, and so it's just, it's just Riker left now to, to bid for, crimp hairs.

712
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.000
I'm getting desperate now.

713
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.860
She's a the Bazan wormhole.

714
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.719
Crim hair's wormhole, yeah.

715
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:40.079
Yeah.

716
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:45.300
Those shuttles do look a little like eggboxes at this point.

717
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.760
Yeah, yeah, they're tiny, aren't they?

718
00:40:47.820 --> 00:41:00.420
There are bigger shuttles in series one and two, but I think the fact, I think the reason this is a shuttle pod rather than a shuttle craft is because they're mounting it on gimbals and so they're really doing the thing.

719
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.679
Savvy movie this episode is having 3 things happening.

720
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:13.079
The Troy romance, the negotiations, and this, the other father, the worm up, you know. of them up, particularly Stella.

721
00:41:13.139 --> 00:41:17.460
But it means we're going we're constantly distracted as we're going from story.

722
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:25.260
And, you know, like series 2 of Star Trek fails, I think, because most of the episodes are shit.

723
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.300
But series 2 of Star Trek, Star Trek, the Next Generation.

724
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:30.960
Yeah.

725
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:42.300
But it, um, like it does this, it does the, a thing is happening and we're just basically spending time with the crew while the thing happens.

726
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.239
And so this isn't a particularly urgent thing.

727
00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:47.280
Like there's no crisis in this.

728
00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:55.980
The closest that we get to any danger is that we might be stranded on the other side of the galaxy and that happens to the Ferengi and that's basically why they're here.

729
00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:04.320
And it's kind of a fun comedy kind of ending or would be if anyone involved in this knew how to make things funny.

730
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:11.460
Like, even that reaction, do you know, Dr. Arador's reaction to the wormhole disappearing is supposed to be a thing.

731
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.699
Yeah, so now what's happening in this in this scene?

732
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.139
What's happening here?

733
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.659
Again, it's too obvious, isn't it?

734
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:27.119
He's going, oh, there's the wormhole, just where I expected it to be, and then we just sit on his face for ages while she does some comedy shock.

735
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:28.019
Oh no, it's gone.

736
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.199
Yeah, because we can't we can't really be properly funny.

737
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.920
It looks like he's been to a spa now.

738
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:36.480
He's got a sort of white robe.

739
00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:38.940
Yeah, with his hairy chest out.

740
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:39.599
Yeah.

741
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.159
I mean, I like that.

742
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.000
What was she wearing?

743
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:43.139
It's not that but he's gross.

744
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.820
Yeah, but she's kind of wearing a sort of, I'm not going to let you touch my breasts again dress.

745
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:49.739
Don't you think?

746
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.500
It's a little bit.

747
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:56.099
It's a little bit, it's a little, she's kind of gone off him already.

748
00:42:56.699 --> 00:43:07.199
And so she's wearing the, she's not wearing a sort of, he's my giant col- day colitage sort of dress, but she's wearing, like, and she's being a bit, I don't know.

749
00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:12.179
I just don't know how to read this because it doesn't work with glassware and candles.

750
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:13.320
I know, what's that as well?

751
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:16.019
is to suggest a sense of sort of sensuality.

752
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.400
I don't know.

753
00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:18.719
It's just weird.

754
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:23.760
No, but they're all, like, why are they sitting like 6 metres away from one another and stuff?

755
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.739
You know, like they're across this table.

756
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:30.599
You know, this, like, I actually think that he makes a reasonable point.

757
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:32.460
Like, I'm a negotiator.

758
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.099
I work out what people want.

759
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.139
I sense an advantage, I go in and do it.

760
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:38.099
I'm just doing that.

761
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.179
Do you know what I mean?

762
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.619
It doesn't seem that bad.

763
00:43:40.739 --> 00:43:50.519
Um, and then so this seems like a kind of manufactured argument, like a manufactured thing.

764
00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:52.019
And the other thing that I like about.

765
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:54.059
He is a telepath, yeah.

766
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.460
And he's using it to an advantage within the role that he's, what is wrong with that?

767
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.900
She's condemning him because...

768
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.500
Oh, she's wrong.

769
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.920
Because he doesn't declare that he's a telegraph telegraph.

770
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:08.880
I meant to say that.

771
00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.960
A telepath.

772
00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:14.159
She, he won't admit it, so he thinks she thinks it's an unfair advantage.

773
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:15.960
But then his point lands.

774
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.000
It's like, oh so do you tell the Romulan?

775
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:18.840
Do you know what I mean?

776
00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:20.460
That it's an unfair advantage?

777
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.219
And it's watching... next to the captain on the bridge.

778
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.360
Yeah, that's right.

779
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:28.500
But, you know, she kind of makes the point, well, this is life and death and the other one's money.

780
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.280
Do you know what I mean?

781
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:32.039
I'm keeping my crew safe and you're just trying to make more money.

782
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:38.639
And I guess, okay, maybe that land, so maybe this conversation does actually work, but from a character point of view, it's like super weird.

783
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:41.340
Like now they're all pissing with each other for no reason.

784
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:51.179
Because they keep coming back to this well of her being a bit uncomfortable with her telepathic side and the fact that she's half human, half-based side.

785
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:52.860
Do they?

786
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:53.460
No, no, they do.

787
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:54.480
They never mention that.

788
00:44:54.539 --> 00:45:01.139
Whenever the waxana Troy comes along, she's talking to her telepathically, and she goes, you know, talk with your human voice, mother, you know.

789
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:01.920
Yeah, yeah.

790
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.900
But none of it coheres.

791
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.679
It never goes anywhere and we never land on what her issue is.

792
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:12.000
But I mean, it's just something they bring up to make her a bit more interesting every now and again.

793
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.559
Like this conversation here.

794
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:22.500
Part of the problem is that this conversation needs to be about their relationship under the guise of them having a disagreement about work, doesn't it?

795
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:23.880
Yes.

796
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.019
Like, they're, yeah.

797
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:25.739
Do you know what I mean?

798
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:31.739
But instead they're having a conversation about work that doesn't work out, like so it's not a romance.

799
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.699
Like it's not working.

800
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.099
We don't know why they're suddenly shitty with one another.

801
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:39.059
Like she's there when, like, I don't know.

802
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:39.840
Like, I don't know.

803
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:47.400
I just don't, she's not been listening to the, to the, was she in the observation lounge when the negotiations were happening?

804
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:49.019
So like I just don't get it.

805
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:49.920
I don't get it.

806
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.239
I think we needed a moment of tension in the episode.

807
00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:56.099
That's the entire reason why.

808
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.380
And that's why it feels false because it comes out of nothing.

809
00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:01.619
Yeah, but we have to break them up as well.

810
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:02.639
Do you know what I mean?

811
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:11.460
Like she now has to be in the position where she's going to out him, you know, and be prepared to out him.

812
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.820
So she's already got the sheets with him and she thinks he's not playing fair.

813
00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:26.039
And then we get him actually doing, you know, staging this stupid thing and her revealing it and potentially ruining his career, although that doesn't happen, apparently.

814
00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.380
You know, I don't know.

815
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:37.920
I want is for Dr. Beverly in that sequence where they were in those fabulous leotards to say to her, is Deanna, you are in an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

816
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:40.019
He is not hanging to go anywhere.

817
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:46.800
He's not hanging around and you're going to be miserable at the end, so just fuck him a lot for the next 45 minutes, all right?

818
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:47.699
Yeah, yeah.

819
00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:50.519
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it?

820
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:55.320
They can't do that for all of their talk about being modern in 24th century.

821
00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:58.980
They can't portray people just having sex for recreation.

822
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.019
That was a good line.

823
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:01.800
Sorry to interrupt.

824
00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:02.820
What was that?

825
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.760
My relationship with Deanna is doing pretty well on its own.

826
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:06.360
Thank you very much.

827
00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:09.300
It's just basically saying butt out of that.

828
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.480
You enjoy it all you want, but I've got my own relationship with her.

829
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:15.300
But I love his smile.

830
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.880
Like the thing where he says the thing.

831
00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:18.659
Do you know what I mean?

832
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:29.400
And the whole idea is that he's good at negotiating and this is part of his thing, he's actually trying to get some edge in the negotiation and then he smiles and says, that's the 1st bad play I've seen you make.

833
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:37.619
And it's kind of like, I'm not jealous of her because, you know, we loved one another and now we're friends and that's how things are.

834
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:40.019
So, didn't we?

835
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:41.760
Do you remember where she was at it?

836
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.400
Was it the masterpiece society where he's just given her a look?

837
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:46.139
And smile, yeah, yeah.

838
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

839
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.139
I think he plays it as pissy in one beat, one shot, I think.

840
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:53.340
But I like this.

841
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.360
I like this.

842
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:57.059
And it's like he wins.

843
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:02.039
He wins this thing and we've only ever seen Raal win and I think that's really good too.

844
00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:04.440
And he's not the folks. the scene.

845
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:08.280
In our new Kurtzman trick where they bring back everyone and anyone.

846
00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:11.579
You know, even that punk from Star Trek 4 of making that appearance.

847
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.300
Bring back Ra for series 3 of Picard.

848
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:21.480
And just because he just said to him there, you could have had Deanna, you know, if you'd only given her enough attention and got in for the kill, you know.

849
00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:27.840
And just bring back Raw and Riker goes to him, you know, I got her in here.

850
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:28.500
That's right.

851
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.199
You smug arsehole, you know.

852
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.360
Oh, there's Michael Dorm in his makeup for his one line at the security console.

853
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:37.920
Yeah, yeah, poor bastard.

854
00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:40.679
Five hours of makeup for this.

855
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:42.360
Oh my god.

856
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:47.519
You got to wonder, you know, when they 1st have the fringy makeup put on, what those actors think.

857
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:51.780
I mean, I think it's good makeup.

858
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.159
It's great.

859
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:55.800
They must be like, what's happened to me?

860
00:48:55.860 --> 00:48:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

861
00:48:57.659 --> 00:48:59.099
It is very strange, isn't it?

862
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.960
I'm just a wasting Star Trek Strange.

863
00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:02.940
I'm claustrophobic.

864
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.599
So I cannot imagine being encased in that much latex.

865
00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:10.980
No, and not be, because, no, I'm assuming that says that they can't hear properly, you know?

866
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:11.579
Right, right.

867
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.099
Very, very weird.

868
00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:22.019
It was it was certainly a choice in 90s trek to put that much latex on the screen, wasn't it?

869
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:24.900
And there's not as much in Kurtzman Trek, is there?

870
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:25.559
Is there?

871
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:26.880
It's different.

872
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:28.739
The makeup is sort of quite different.

873
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:31.800
They brought in all of these very sexy actors.

874
00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:33.239
They're not going to hide them away.

875
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:33.719
No.

876
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:34.320
Yeah.

877
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:41.219
And I think bringing back people like the Andorians and the like people who are just blue or like the Orians, they're just green, but people.

878
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.659
Like, I think that's a good choice.

879
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:49.139
I did just this week, pick up the Buffy Monster book, and it does detail in a series of 10 pictures.

880
00:49:49.199 --> 00:50:00.000
Doug Jones having his gentleman mace up. from beginning to end because I recognise his face straight away and I consider that a sort of rehearsal for his time of Saru in Discovery.

881
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:03.420
I mean, that is a lot of latex on Saru, isn't it?

882
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.800
It's good makeup, though.

883
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.199
I think it's really good makeup.

884
00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:09.480
I like him. jacket mouth.

885
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:10.679
Yeah, yeah.

886
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:11.400
Yeah.

887
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:12.420
But it works really well.

888
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.159
You still get the actor's performance properly.

889
00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:17.219
It doesn't hamper him, even though hardly any of them is visible.

890
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.179
It's pretty great.

891
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.300
Oh my god, did you see the subtitles then?

892
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.980
It said door whoosh is open.

893
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:27.599
Someone's earning their money there.

894
00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:36.719
I watched the episode on Paramount Plus last night and like they were getting all of the subtitles wrong.

895
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:38.940
They kept saying betazoid wrong and stuff.

896
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.179
They seem to be doing a better job here on whatever it is I'm watching now.

897
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:43.199
I can't even tell.

898
00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:45.059
I'm watching on Netflix currently.

899
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.099
I'm surprised you're still on Netflix.

900
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:48.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

901
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:50.579
Oh, here we go.

902
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.679
Here's our big climax to the episode.

903
00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:54.539
Yeah, but they're all just sort of standing around.

904
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.559
Do you know what I mean?

905
00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:56.880
It's really not that exciting.

906
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:03.900
Do you remember when the Ferengi 1st appeared and it's just like half the guy's face in the, is it Armin Shimmerman?

907
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.019
The 1st big Ferengi thing?

908
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:07.860
No.

909
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.179
The last Outpost.

910
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.019
Yeah.

911
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.340
Yeah, it is yeah.

912
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:11.940
Yeah, yeah, okay.

913
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:12.179
Yeah.

914
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.280
Because he says in he says in the interviews.

915
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:16.139
That's why I was desperate to do cork.

916
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.059
I was so embarrassed by that performance.

917
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:19.320
I want to redeem myself.

918
00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:28.500
But he does the good job of the Bajoran gift box thing in Haven, which is him as well. you say that dialogue there?

919
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:34.619
I mean, he goes on behalf of the chrysanthemums. to do business with the Ferengi for the Bartam wormhole.

920
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.119
Lines that you're only ever going to hear on Star Trek.

921
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:40.679
Yeah now here we see.

922
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:46.019
And like, I, again, she's playing it weird as well.

923
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:47.820
Like, I...

924
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.940
She's sort of angry.

925
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:58.199
Look at this staging as well, where they've got everyone in everyone's in the shot in a perfectly positioned place.

926
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.360
Like it's a stage, you know?

927
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:01.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:04.980
But again, this could have been funny.

929
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:05.820
Do you know what I mean?

930
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:15.539
Like then you've got the Ferengi who is absolutely doing his best to undermine Riles, like accidentally undermine Riles protestations of innocence and stuff.

931
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.340
You know, like it's just kind of ineptly made in all sorts of ways.

932
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.980
I feel like DeGana's pulling the rug enough, you know?

933
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:23.639
No.

934
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:25.500
He's not embarrassed by that.

935
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.539
Why isn't she triumphant?

936
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:29.340
She's winning, do you know what I mean?

937
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:37.320
Like, she's sort of, she's very in control, but I just wanted a bit more sort of bitchy triumph from her.

938
00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:41.280
Yeah, it's a shame.

939
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.940
It's a shame that they can't relax enough to make this.

940
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.219
Yeah, I think that's the problem, isn't it?

941
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.179
That is the problem.

942
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:49.199
They're just not relaxed enough.

943
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:51.179
They're still trying to present this.

944
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.239
You remember I said, I thought PS9 was a serious drama.

945
00:52:54.300 --> 00:52:55.860
They're still trying to present it as well.

946
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.639
That's right.

947
00:52:56.699 --> 00:52:58.619
That poor Barzan woman in that shot.

948
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:04.380
The more I see her makeup, every time I see her makeup, she goes up about .5 on the Beaumont scale.

949
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:05.880
It's a bit rough.

950
00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:09.780
This is my charts on American television.

951
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:11.579
I've got a big row in Star Trek.

952
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.139
Oh, dear.

953
00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:22.619
It is, I'll tell you what, it is nice that there are consequences to this episode, though.

954
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:23.400
You know?

955
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:29.760
And it's nice that those consequences are completely comic because in that episode, false profits.

956
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:38.219
They have to go down, um, pretend to be the primitives on this planet and try and bring down this religion that they've created, you know, even Janeway's in on the fun.

957
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:45.119
So, if this isn't quite as fun as it should be, The consequences of this episode are more fun, man.

958
00:53:45.179 --> 00:53:57.360
So maybe someone is recognising that this is supposed to be a comedy on paper and they just fail at it being funny because they're too busy being Star Trek.

959
00:53:57.420 --> 00:54:01.980
And then they realise, well, we can be a bit more relaxed and we can be funny.

960
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:09.659
I mean, Voyager series 3 is not, you know, peopled by huge numbers of actors at the height of their powers or anything like that.

961
00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:13.380
Maybe 3 actors.

962
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.159
Well, yeah, yeah.

963
00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:19.260
I think Ethan Phillips is actually pretty great. sort of comedy he's called upon to do.

964
00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:28.079
I think most of the comedy in this sort of era of trek lands, when it's the performance, you know?

965
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:31.500
Do you remember Whoopi Goldberg and the Dolphin when she goes, shut up, kid.

966
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.539
Tell me more about my eyes.

967
00:54:34.139 --> 00:54:37.559
And it's funny because she delivers the line brilliantly.

968
00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:41.519
And that's super cheesy, that dialogue, but like deliberately cheesy.

969
00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:44.760
It's making fun of itself and the actors are both kind of leaning into it.

970
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.159
Maybe it's the skill of the actor then.

971
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:49.019
Yeah, and even wherever it lands.

972
00:54:49.139 --> 00:54:52.500
Because Whoopi Goldberg's a great actress, and Marina Surtis...

973
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.559
Which becomes better.

974
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:56.579
Do you know what it means?

975
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.340
She gets better and better the longer she gets better acting.

976
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.099
I think she gives up the acting and just brings herself.

977
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:08.039
Well, that's one way of going back. very funny. send you the link to that convention appearance, you know?

978
00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:10.320
Yeah, she is funny.

979
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.619
She's really great and I think she's so much charm.

980
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.480
She goes, is anyone here deaf?

981
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:17.820
Is this woman just waving around about for nothing?

982
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.619
You know, she says on that convention stage.

983
00:55:19.739 --> 00:55:22.380
So funny. so inappropriate.

984
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.119
It's terrible.

985
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:25.199
Terrifying.

986
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:32.159
But I mean, I think she's super fun in Voyager when she comes back in Voyager for the Pathfinder...

987
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:33.179
Oh, God, I can't talk.

988
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.980
Pathfinder episodes, yeah.

989
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:36.719
Yeah.

990
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.260
Well, that's, she's mostly patronising Regoline, those episodes for sure.

991
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:40.860
That's fun too.

992
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.659
Yeah, ooh, kissing.

993
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:46.920
No, that was really a particularly unsexy kiss too.

994
00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:51.239
And like that line is delivered wrong.

995
00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:52.619
We said it right from the start.

996
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.360
She says, I already have a job as counsellor, and she should be making fun of him.

997
00:55:57.420 --> 00:56:01.199
You know, like there's no lightness or anything like that.

998
00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:06.119
She's there absolutely rigid, and it's just like, come on, you sleazy dick.

999
00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:07.619
And that's part of the thing too.

1000
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:08.340
Do you know what I mean?

1001
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.880
It's kind of like he's doing he's pulling his usual crap.

1002
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:14.280
It's like Deanna wants to look after people.

1003
00:56:14.340 --> 00:56:15.300
She's a counsellor.

1004
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:16.320
She cares about people.

1005
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:29.519
I'm going to be a person who needs help and needs to be kind of managed and stuff, and I'm going to call upon her for help, and she's kind of going, like, instead of just going, you can't still be pulling this shit after all this time.

1006
00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:32.519
You can't still be doing that with me again.

1007
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:38.460
She delivers the line in complete seriousness and just stands there rigidly while he walks off.

1008
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.239
So it feels like he has learned nothing from this episode.

1009
00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:46.320
He's going to go to the next ship and he'll do it all.

1010
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:47.280
And that's okay.

1011
00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:48.360
Do you know what I mean?

1012
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:50.460
But she should score some things off him.

1013
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.059
She needs to win and she needs to win that last conversation.

1014
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.079
I don't think she does.

1015
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.179
And I just, you know, like they won't let her be steely enough to win.

1016
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.860
Do you know what?

1017
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:02.639
The more I think about it.

1018
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:05.219
Remember I brought up the game earlier in the episode?

1019
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:05.460
Yeah.

1020
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:11.579
Sexy Ashley Child, does Ensign Robin Leffler. and a marvellous romance with Wesley Crusher.

1021
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:17.639
Well, I mean, that's an episode where they do remember that it's supposed to be absurd and they make it as fun as possible.

1022
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:20.699
And then they put in this couple with great chemistry.

1023
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:28.679
And then in the last scene, which is also in the quarters, they're sort of kissing and hugging and cracking jokes at each other.

1024
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:33.239
So, yeah, I think they can get it right, you know, but a couple of years time.

1025
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:36.480
It takes a while to land it and the right people too.

1026
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:44.219
I think, you know, it's Ashley Judge. not sure that they could ever pull off a Councillor Troy romance that is going to land.

1027
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:53.820
But, I mean, look at many, many years later, but look at that episode of Picard series one that we did with her and Ryan.

1028
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:54.420
Independent.

1029
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.159
It wasn't a romantic...

1030
00:57:56.219 --> 00:57:57.179
It was just a drama.

1031
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:03.179
But she sells the relationship between her and Riker because the 2 of them have been friends for so long.

1032
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:08.820
She acts beautifully, like she really conveys the loss of her son.

1033
00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:13.619
Yeah, all of that stuff and how scared she is now and old and stuff.

1034
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.420
Like I just, like that was beautiful.

1035
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.860
That was such a good thing.

1036
00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:19.500
I did appreciate it, though, come series 3 of Picard.

1037
00:58:19.619 --> 00:58:34.199
You know, you've not only got Dr. Bev delivering medical babble in a particularly robotic way, but you've also got Councillor Troy, you know, counselling Beverly's son about what's behind that door and being very serious and a bit dull.

1038
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:34.860
Do you remember?

1039
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:46.980
So do you remember the stuff where the changeling, the changeling comes and the changing Riker comes and Riker's talking about what the change thing was like and she says, oh, you know, he was very good in bed, but very bad at pizza or whatever.

1040
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:50.039
That's how I knew.

1041
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:55.320
That's how I knew And like they're just kind of making fun of one another.

1042
00:58:55.380 --> 00:59:00.840
Like all of that stuff is just wonderful and delightful, but I guess you only get that 30 years later.

1043
00:59:01.139 --> 00:59:03.480
It's the opposite.

1044
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.659
When that changeling turned up, you know, and slept with me.

1045
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.860
And then he made me a beautiful meal afterwards and I was like, there's no way that's my mark.

1046
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:12.780
You know, he cooks terribly.

1047
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.059
The complete opposite.

1048
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.860
Do you know what?

1049
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.659
I didn't not enjoy that.

1050
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:19.920
No, no, me either.

1051
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:22.440
Well, I think it fails in many many ways.

1052
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:23.219
Yeah.

1053
00:59:23.219 --> 00:59:25.619
It fails in the standard Star Trek ways.

1054
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:27.420
It's full of space people.

1055
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.320
They can't commit to being funny and there's a lot of latex on screen.

1056
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:32.760
The romance is icky.

1057
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:34.079
It's just gross.

1058
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:35.820
You know, you say it fails in Star Trek ways.

1059
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:40.440
I think it fails in, I think this episode, particularly generation ways.

1060
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. what I mean.

1061
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:46.980
But, I mean, you and I sat through some pretty agonising episodes of TNG.

1062
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:52.079
And I enjoyed watching it twice. once when I shouldn't have, once when I should have.

1063
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:54.360
And now a 3rd time along with you.

1064
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:56.340
So I'm giving the price a thumbs up.

1065
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:57.659
Yeah, me too.

1066
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:59.340
Despite being terrible.

1067
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:00.539
It is terrible.

1068
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.860
So it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out what we're going to watch next time.

1069
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:16.139
I was responsible for, was I, was I really responsible?

1070
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.719
You were responsible for the price and for once in your run of duds.

1071
01:00:21.780 --> 01:00:23.099
You've got as a winner.

1072
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:23.579
That tip.

1073
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.360
Yeah, that's it.

1074
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:30.000
I've actually managed to choose a winner after a very, very long streak of sort of bad stuff.

1075
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:35.579
So you have chosen a series for us to watch next time, is that right?

1076
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.619
A single series as well.

1077
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:42.599
I believe it is a little bit underrepresented in untitled Star Trek project.

1078
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:46.019
At least you mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

1079
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.179
It is.

1080
01:00:48.179 --> 01:00:50.639
It's 90 straight, but it's Voyager.

1081
01:00:50.699 --> 01:00:53.519
I think Voyager was still a little bit underrepresented.

1082
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:58.199
And I just love talking about 90s trek so much.

1083
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.960
So I'm gonna push the button and hopefully we'll get a goodie.

1084
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.460
Okay, brilliant.

1085
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:05.880
Do that.

1086
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:07.559
We've not got a goodie.

1087
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:08.699
No, okay.

1088
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.800
The chances were high.

1089
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:12.119
What is it?

1090
01:01:12.179 --> 01:01:15.300
Season 2, episode 6 twisted.

1091
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.199
Oh, dear, that's really bad, isn't it?

1092
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:29.519
That's the one that's so bad that in the convention, Robert Picardo goes, do you remember that episode where we were just wandering around the sets and the geography of the ship?

1093
01:01:29.579 --> 01:01:31.920
He goes, they'd run out of money of anything.

1094
01:01:31.980 --> 01:01:35.400
We were just wandering around the sets. like making it up.

1095
01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:38.579
Yep, no, that's terrible. and not in a good way.

1096
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:39.480
Alright.

1097
01:01:39.539 --> 01:01:40.920
Ooh, okay.

1098
01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:42.239
Is it 2 parter?

1099
01:01:42.539 --> 01:01:47.159
It is a two-parter and it is a good two-parter.

1100
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.139
At least the 1st half is very good.

1101
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:50.880
I should never say that.

1102
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:52.079
I'm always wrong.

1103
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.719
Season five, episode 26 equinox.

1104
01:01:57.780 --> 01:02:01.019
Ooh, I would love to watch that.

1105
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.639
I would really like to watch.

1106
01:02:02.699 --> 01:02:03.420
What do you think?

1107
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.360
The path that Voyager should have taken.

1108
01:02:06.420 --> 01:02:07.619
Yeah.

1109
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.179
And that's the TV show.

1110
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:09.960
Not the ship.

1111
01:02:10.019 --> 01:02:12.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. do you think?

1112
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:13.920
I think I think we should do that.

1113
01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:14.280
Yeah.

1114
01:02:14.340 --> 01:02:15.599
And you know what?

1115
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:28.440
There are some problems and in the 2nd episode, obviously you've got Romor's involvement and I'm going to pull up the quotes where it's talking about the writer's room and yeah, you've just satisfied it is. yeah You've got a living like this.

1116
01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:32.460
Well, because fandom, when it when he decided to chip out after 4 episodes.

1117
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:35.820
So he wrote he wrote this huge back when there were forums.

1118
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.980
He wrote this huge forum post saying, this is why.

1119
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.280
I can't write for this show because none of it makes any sense.

1120
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.400
All right, that sounds perfect then.

1121
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.059
So equinox and equinox part two, right?

1122
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.820
Both of them. let's do it Excellent.

1123
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:51.360
Let's do it.

1124
01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:02.639
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Porter, Nathan Bottomley.

1125
01:03:02.699 --> 01:03:08.940
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1126
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:14.460
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1127
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:20.400
This episode was recorded on the 19th of September 2023 and released on the 22nd of September.

1128
01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:45.179
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Equinox and Equinox Part 2. really good choice.

1129
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.079
So do you have time?

1130
01:03:46.139 --> 01:03:47.760
Are you like this time next week?

1131
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:49.139
I'm off next week.

1132
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:50.699
But when are you in London?

1133
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.719
Oh, not till I think we're going Thursday, Friday.

1134
01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:57.179
There's a train strike on Saturday, so we're going to go Thursday, Friday.

1135
01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:58.440
Wednesday, Thursday.

1136
01:03:58.500 --> 01:03:59.460
Okay.

1137
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.159
Well, in that case I can do it because I'm off school. school.

1138
01:04:02.219 --> 01:04:03.900
Yeah, I can do it for sure.

1139
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.480
And I'll make sure, like, I'll Tuesday evening.

1140
01:04:06.539 --> 01:04:08.280
Wait, let me say it before I say that.

1141
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.900
Tuesday the 26th.

1142
01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:14.159
Yep.

1143
01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:15.659
No events.

1144
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:17.639
I can absolutely do that.

1145
01:04:17.699 --> 01:04:19.679
I like doing 2 hours, you know.

1146
01:04:19.739 --> 01:04:21.059
Yeah, I do too.

1147
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:23.639
Well, usually because one part just fails.

1148
01:04:23.699 --> 01:04:27.059
So you get talking about the great stuff. terrible stuff.

1149
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.400
But I actually don't really remember equinox all that well.

1150
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:31.500
I remember hope and fear.

1151
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:38.639
Which is... 4 and 5, is it?

1152
01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:39.659
Is it 4 and five?

1153
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.980
Yeah, no, equinox is 5 and six. 5 and six.

1154
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:45.420
What's 4 and five?

1155
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.099
That's hope for fear.

1156
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:48.239
And then no, I opened up.

1157
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:49.380
So it's 2 single episodes.

1158
01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:50.280
Yeah, yeah.

1159
01:04:50.340 --> 01:04:50.820
Yeah.

1160
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:52.260
It's the only time they did that, I think.

1161
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.199
So basics part one and 2 is two, isn't it?

1162
01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:56.579
Season two, three.

1163
01:04:56.579 --> 01:05:00.300
Three to 4 Scorpion. 45 is, yeah.

1164
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:01.920
Yeah, yeah, okay.

1165
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:04.559
And then Unimatrix 0, obviously.

1166
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:10.800
Yeah, DSY was a show that didn't do 2 pilos at the end of the season.

1167
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:17.039
It just always did a season cliffhanger and then another standalone to open the season afterwards.

1168
01:05:17.099 --> 01:05:17.699
Yeah.

1169
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:20.880
Yeah, but that's because they're serialised.

1170
01:05:20.940 --> 01:05:22.619
So it doesn't make any difference.

1171
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.000
Yeah, that's right.

1172
01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:26.159
You know, they usually did the 2 posters.

1173
01:05:26.219 --> 01:05:27.900
At the beginning of the season, didn't they?

1174
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:28.860
Yeah.

1175
01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:30.840
Imaging the sand, shadows and symbols.

1176
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:31.500
Yeah.

1177
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:32.639
Yeah.

1178
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:34.980
Yeah, the thing was...

1179
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.480
The search part one. search one and two, the 3 powder at the beginning of series two.

1180
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:42.239
That was a mission statement, I think.

1181
01:05:42.300 --> 01:05:43.199
Yeah, but that's it.

1182
01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:46.260
That's setting up the new thing, what we're doing that's new.

1183
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.840
I think that's actually a good approach.

1184
01:05:48.900 --> 01:06:01.860
What's great about equinox. part one is you've got the equinox crew coming in. so much more interesting than the Voyager crew because they're all they're all on the edge and slightly psychotic.

1185
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:08.820
And then you've got, I remember Harry Kim comes out of a line because Balana's ex-boyfriend obviously is on the equinox.

1186
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:13.500
So he's going, oh, yeah, I always used to call you BLT.

1187
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:15.900
Like, because that was your favourite.

1188
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:16.500
No way.

1189
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:21.480
And then Harry Kim goes, oh, Tom, I'm going to call you Turkey Platter.

1190
01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:24.599
Oh, no, that's right.

1191
01:06:24.659 --> 01:06:26.219
Jesus Christ.

1192
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:27.780
What is that?

1193
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:29.579
What is that?

1194
01:06:29.699 --> 01:06:31.380
We will have fun with it though.

1195
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.639
Oh my goodness.

1196
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.139
Okay, that'll be fun.

1197
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:35.219
I have time to watch it too.

1198
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.679
So all of that is extremely good.

1199
01:06:37.739 --> 01:06:45.719
That's yeah, that's perfect for that. over the weekend because I think today, which is my 1st day off. of the week.

1200
01:06:45.780 --> 01:06:47.460
I think I've got anything on Saturday.

1201
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:48.719
So that'll be nice.

1202
01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:49.260
Yeah.

1203
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:57.360
Well, I'll just, I'll load them onto my iPad or whatever and watch them while we're away, you know, like, because I think we're going to do lots of lying about and stuff.

1204
01:06:57.420 --> 01:07:00.659
And then I get back on Monday in the middle of the day.

1205
01:07:00.659 --> 01:07:03.780
If I haven't watch it by then, I'll watch it by then. anyway.

1206
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.559
Let me save this in a minute.

1207
01:07:07.619 --> 01:07:09.000
So I can send it to you now.

1208
01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:13.199
If you're going to do it tonight, I'm starting in full week.

1209
01:07:13.260 --> 01:07:13.800
Yeah.

1210
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:14.159
Yeah.

1211
01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:20.760
I'll make a start tonight because some, yeah, I, um, I need to get everything done before I go away.

1212
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.119
A lot of it's you and me going, ooh.

1213
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.539
I think were we too cruel about straight people?

1214
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:29.940
Not cruel enough, I don't think.

1215
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.500
Yeah, I think so. those guys.

1216
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.199
Weirdos.