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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are in series 2 of the original series.

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It's the final episode, episode 26, and it is a backdoor pilot, isn't it, for another Gene Roddenbury show?

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And I have to say that this is pretty great.

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So fun.

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I've got a feeling.

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Had Assignment Earth made it to the schedules in the 60s and we were just talking off Mike about the exciting adventures of Gary 7, popping about history with his glamorous secretary and his cat on his shoulder and his sonic screwdriver.

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I mean, yeah.

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I think that idea might take off, you know.

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Yeah, oh, no, I would have watched the shit out of it for sure.

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Well, you kind of did, didn't you?

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For many years.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That is true.

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There's something about 1968, I think.

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That is what makes it fun.

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And I'm on another podcast called Bondfinger.

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And when we ran out of Bond films to watch, we just started watching what I call 60s Spy-fi shit, which is exactly what this would have been.

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This is like the champions, I think, maybe more than anything else that I've seen.

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And the Champions has a bunch of people who get sort of special magical powers by going to Tibet or some nonsense and then they come back and solve sort of crimes and things.

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But spy-fi was the big thing in the 60s and it benefits from just everything being as stylish as hell and gadgets and computers and all of that sort of stuff and the space program.

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I bet you were so sad when Bombfinger left the 60s and went in the 70s, you know, because the designs all changed after that, didn't they?

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Yeah, it lost that fabulous sort of primary colours, very exotic look, but all those 60s. wonderful 60s.

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You say spi-fi, you say the champions, but I do detect a bit of bewitched in here as well.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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At one point, I sort of blurred my eyes and said, am I watching Bewitched?

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cat on that woman's shoulder.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'll look and like, I think, I think that this is probably pretty unpopular, and I did check.

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Why?

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Well, I don't know.

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But I think because it's not really a Star Trek episode and it is a backdoor pilot for something else.

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This is a time travel story with a message.

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This is the voyage home.

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This is Picard series 2.

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This is absolutely Star Trek.

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Well, in fact, it's absolutely Picard series 2, and that was the thing that struck me more than anything.

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It's almost embarrassing.

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And I had no idea.

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Look, so I knew.

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So in Picard series 2, we had all of Brady, who is a supervisor, which is what Gary 7 is, and she has the same teleport effect, the same transporter effect, which is the sort of cloud of smoke in a box.

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And so it's very definitely actually referring to this, even though this is kind of marginal as a Star Trek episode.

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But it's the idea that something is said in the present day that it absolutely is expressing contemporary concerns.

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So we're at the height of the Cold War.

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It's 1968, and the space race may well be heading in the direction.

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It was certainly a thing that people were worried about the prospect of, which is the sort of spaceborne nuclear missiles that could just be directed to sort of crash onto a target at any time.

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And so this is kind of, it is 68, but it's also sort of 5 minutes into the future where that's a prospect.

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And so our guys don't go back in time to avert it.

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That's not what's happening, but Gary 7 is in the present day, he's, you know, he hasn't travelled in time.

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He's just been brought up by aliens or something and we presumably...

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Unnamed planet.

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Which I believe they didn't name him Picard either.

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No, no, they wouldn't say that.

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I like that.

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I like the mystery of that.

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That's right.

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And, you know, for us, it was it was climate change, wasn't it?

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That was the problem, but there were also additional problems of racism and the rise of fascism in the United States and all of that sort of thing.

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Like all of those contemporary concerns were addressed, and they get to be addressed really well by just going, oh, fuck it, we'll set it in the present day.

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And say, this is really good, but the additional thing that's extra good is that Gary Seven's job is to stop the Americans from launching a spaceborne nuclear weapon.

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And so he has to stop the Americans from doing it and we're on his side.

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You know, Gary 7's a good guy.

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He's the protagonist of this new show and he's stopping America from escalating the Cold War.

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And I think that's amazing.

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Like, it's quite astounding, I think.

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Still relevant today, I think.

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And the joy of the randomiser is that we got the last episode of Picard's series 2. where fucking seen for scene.

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These 2 episodes play out in the same way. where they're in mission control, where this rocket is going up, where there's people trying to stop it happening, where we're running around a bit.

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I was going, Jesus, were they taking notes?

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Did they watch assignment Earth and go, right, we'll put that in.

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But that's what Kurtzman Drake does.

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I think it's incredibly irresponsible of the original series to rip off Picard series 2 like this, you know?

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It's, it is just typical of Kurtzman Trek, isn't it, to take something that's marginal or unloved or, you know, you would never have had a reference to Gary 7 and ISIS and stuff in 90s Trek because we were all kind of a little bit embarrassed about that sort of thread through original drag.

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People that brought you masks, the sequel, and them the sequel.

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Well, also spend an entire season doing the plot...

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Operation align, eh?

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I saw that, is it?

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Simon Earth.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But just as a pilot, I think the success of a pilot is, do you want to watch more?

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Yeah.

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I would watch the hell out of this.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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and I think Gary Severn comes into it and he's very stony-faced.

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And I said to you, you're sort of playing it a bit Nemoy, a bit icy.

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And then they throw in this ditsy secretary character.

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And so then suddenly you've got these 2 contrasts playing comedy together.

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The cat's in there as well.

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There's this crazy plot going on around them and I'm like, man, give me more of this.

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I want more.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a little bit, you know how in the Mandalorian, like the Mandalorians a very serious sort of proper series, character.

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Oh, what was character, all of that sort of?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But he's accompanied by a puppet.

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You know, he like undermines him and behaves like a toddler and does all sorts of fun things the whole time.

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And I think Gary 7, even before Terry Garr, for God's sake, because Roberta Lincoln comes along.

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He's being undermined by the cat and so the cat makes him impossible to take completely seriously.

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And I make our pun and say today, I think my favourite single scene that we've watched in the entire run of Untitled Star Trek project is Gary 7 climbing across that gantry.

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Clearly on his stomach, just like they're doing Batman, trying to sabotage this rocket from going up with the cat.

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Stop going.

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Miaow.

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I mean, it's just absurd, but I love absurd.

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Let me start.

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We discussed it, stuff. mad, isn't it?

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Yep.

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Oh, it's just great.

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Can I regale you with a quote, please, from Lisa Aunt Wallace, who I believe was hoping this would make it the series?

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And was probably a little disappointed though, it wasn't.

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He says, assignment Earth is interesting in a sense because I'd gone to Paramount and pitched a series of ideas for them, but they said that Gene Robinbury had come up with a very similar idea.

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So I saw Jean and we decided to pull the idea, which was about a man from tomorrow, who takes care of the present on earth.

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That was intended to be the pilot, although it was never made into a series.

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It was a very good pilot, and it's a shame because I think if they have done it as a series with just Gary 7, it would have been a very successful show.

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I believe Gene and I split the credit on that one.

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Right.

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So it was actually written as a script, minus Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like there are other back door pilots that we're kind of aware of and stuff and it always sort of seems slightly dodgy.

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It kind of betrays the show's status as just a TV program, you know, launching another TV program.

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And so, and and I think there are some things in the premise that it's kind of impossible to take seriously if you're a particular kind of Star Trek fan.

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So suddenly we can travel back in time.

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I like the fact that's just done in a line, you know, we don't have a complicated effect sequence with a load of buses or the cars coming out of us.

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It's just, no, we've gone back in time.

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We're here. going to do a bit of observation.

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Yeah.

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It's great.

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Yeah, so that's their mission this week, which is sort of very strange.

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It's like that, um, that in TAS, where we had that ejector button, you know, it's just never mentioned again, but you've got you've got the console that can take you back in time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, I actually think that that ejection panel thing, if they have those on Voyager, that might explain what happened to the Borg baby from last week.

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Terrible.

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I think that might be what happened to that cheese.

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Remember that cheese that Nilix brought on the ship that nearly brought it down?

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Ah, yeah.

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Oh, no, it goes funny.

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Get the cheese to Sick Bay.

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That's the line.

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Why do we watch this show?

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baffling sometimes, but not when we're watching this.

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My last point to you is this, though, is this is the end of season two.

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Yeah, and this is a delightful adventure that we're on here.

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Somehow we go from this to Spock's brain at the beginning of Series 3.

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And I don't think we will ever see such a jarring shifting quality between 2 seasons of Star Trek.

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And we can only put the blame on Fred Freiburger, really, can't we?

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Yeah, yeah, we can.

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Roddenbury's still in charge at this point.

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So he's keeping it thumb. let's have some fun.

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I think we should.

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All right.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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I did notice this episode was 50 minutes long.

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Is that the standard length of an original series episode?

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Oh, okay.

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Well, I think it was 45.

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Now No, no, no.

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So, I, I watched this originally with the, like the original version without the new special effects, and I'm currently watching the version with the new special effects, and the most striking difference is that the Enterprise is orbiting Earth, but no one on the production team has ever seen proper photographs of what the Earth looks like from space.

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And it will only be a few months from now that they will see.

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What did it look like, though?

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So there's no cloud cover.

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And the landmasses are very brown, like light brown rather than sort of green and darker, you know, like it's just clearly written by someone who's never seen the earth from space, but it's so just so few months before.

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It's almost like a valuable document. space, isn't it?

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of what we thought was of there.

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Before it happened.

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It's almost a shame to change it.

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Isn't it wild?

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It does a little bit.

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I mean, the other versions still exist. so that's fine.

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And you can see why they would change it.

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We do have a lot of episodes of Star Trek, don't we?

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Where someone eccentric beams onto the ship like this.

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But this might be one of my favourites.

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Yeah, and the fact that the cat goes for Scotty.

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And I'm going to say, you know, because you know Mark isn't a massive fan of Star Trek, but the 2nd he heard of miaow, he was in that room watching this episode with me.

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What did he say about?

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He only watched it for a minute and went, oh, this is terrible.

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Walks out again.

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Look at the cat.

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Look at Shatner curls his lip in reaction to it as well.

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Who do you think they knew?

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Do you think the actors knew, you know, Shatner or that lot, that this was a backdoor pilot, or this was just the latest Star Trek?

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Surely.

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Because the action is...

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It desperate work as a Star Trek.

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The 2 sets of people, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But in fact, the Enterprise crew do really take a backseat, like, they're in it a bit, um, but it is mostly about Gary 7.

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And basically all they have to do is decide whether to prevent Gary 7 from saving the day or not.

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And it is he saves the...

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I noticed in the last or 3rd, Shatner and Nemoy were just being held at gunpoint for long stretches in a corner of a room.

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Chapters going, excuse me. mosh up, right?

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He steps forward every now and again to get the light, but they just keep pointing a gun at him.

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Listen.

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Oh my.

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You know, I always skip the music.

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Whenever I do TOS.

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I don't really like the original series music.

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I know it's iconic.

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I think it's, yeah, it is iconic and cheesy, so I do listen to it, I have to say.

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So, Mr. 7 or Gary 7, I think, oh, there's Art Wallace's credit.

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I think he's playing it a bit like Patrick McGuin, and it does seem like a very period performance. like he's Nimo, yes, but he's just very, very serious.

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And I think there's only one point in the episode where he's amused, maybe by the computer, I can't remember, but he's nearly unreadable, isn't he?

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And he's very kind of on very...

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But the fact that he is so stony faced is what makes those comedy sequences with the woman.

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So funny, you know, you need the straight man there.

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And he fulfils that brilliantly.

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This is definitely post-prisoner, isn't it?

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absolutely.

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Like McGoon's a name at this point.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think so, yes.

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Yeah, I love I love this as well.

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The fact that he's a modern day guy. just happens to have all these powers and they skip over that with a line.

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The economy of this script.

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We've gone back in time.

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There's this fella, we've spent a bit of time on another planet and he's got all these powers now.

223
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That's it.

224
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Right.

225
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Let's go and have some fun.

226
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No, but imagine if this was the next generation.

227
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I mean, we'd be going through the mechanics of going back in time.

228
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We'd probably be exploring the world that he came from.

229
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Yeah, so what's his story?

230
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Is he brought up as a child?

231
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He's abducted as a child or something like that?

232
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He says he's a man from the 20th century, but we don't get a full kind of backstory.

233
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And so that kind of works, I guess.

234
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The inscrutability that makes him so interesting though, isn't it?

235
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Yeah, yeah.

236
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Yeah.

237
00:15:53.100 --> 00:16:01.799
I think it's sort of what we felt about Spock in series one, before we knew, like, all the background, detail, it made it, that's what drew people to that character, that he was alien and interesting.

238
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Yeah.

239
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Yeah.

240
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Oh, and it's, you know what, Nathan, there's a wonderful chance for Leonard Nimo is put on an array of hats in this episode as well.

241
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Oh, so good.

242
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So great.

243
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It is so terrific.

244
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The costume department had a field day on.

245
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Normally, you know, we're doing the gap costumes, you know, these awful primary colours, but they're doing 60s pop fashions now.

246
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Great.

247
00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:27.360
Yeah.

248
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You know, this is directed by Mark Daniels.

249
00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:31.620
He did spot sprain after this.

250
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Mm, yeah, I noticed.

251
00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.279
And then he did Spock's brain and we said, I think he never worked on the show again.

252
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He was so horrified.

253
00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:49.019
But I mean, this would have been really fun to do because, you know, rather than just trying to create a planet in a tiny room.

254
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They just go outside where there's a whole planet and then they can just shoot that.

255
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.100
And that really opens...

256
00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.740
I was thinking of you the whole time they were outside, you know?

257
00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:02.100
And it looks so stylish.

258
00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:04.559
It's because it's film work as well.

259
00:17:04.619 --> 00:17:05.940
So it just adds a sheen.

260
00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.480
But there's a mass space that they put on the screen.

261
00:17:09.539 --> 00:17:12.180
Yeah, it just feels like there's some money here.

262
00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:13.619
And it's the end of the season as well.

263
00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:14.880
You think they would have run out at this point.

264
00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:25.740
Yeah, but also I think maybe like maybe there's some assignment, earth, money sloshing around, but also going outside doesn't necessarily have to be that expensive.

265
00:17:25.859 --> 00:17:35.039
It does seem to be a thing that 90 Star Trek avoids, but, you know, you do get it a bit in, in, uh, in original track.

266
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And just going outside where there are people actually is not that expensive.

267
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I think what happened on shows like Design, they said every time they went on location.

268
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It was arduous because the sun was beaten down.

269
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The latex was dripping. all covered in latex.

270
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Everyone's shoes was full of sweat, you know?

271
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And it made a pretty miserable voice.

272
00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.720
Can we just talk about the MVP of this episode again, please?

273
00:17:57.779 --> 00:18:01.500
The cat, the Spock is currently stroking or was a 2nd ago.

274
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He's got, oh, he likes it.

275
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It's like a triple.

276
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It's like him, isn't it?

277
00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:09.359
It's completely disinteresting, a bit emotionless, you know?

278
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Scrutinising everybody.

279
00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:17.700
It's got these weird sort of quirky purrs and miaow that it does as well.

280
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Oh, it's wonderful.

281
00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.380
And did you notice when it jumped on that fella on the transporter pad?

282
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That wasn't a toy cat they threw at him.

283
00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:26.160
The cat literally left on.

284
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That was him.

285
00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:31.380
I reckon they threw the cap from off camera, some stage.

286
00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.240
It's very comfortable in Nemoy's hands right now.

287
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Yeah.

288
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Yeah.

289
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So this is interesting too.

290
00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:52.140
There'll be an assassination today, but it's the launching of an orbital nuclear warhead platform by the United States, and it's, so we're not stopping the other powers who are Russia, but we're not going to mention them.

291
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.259
Uh, yeah, yeah.

292
00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.359
And so this is the thing that...

293
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It's almost telling the kids, do you know what?

294
00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:00.299
There's a lot going on out there, all right?

295
00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.819
Stop watching the TV and pay attention.

296
00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:04.380
Yeah, but I'm...

297
00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:12.539
But it is, it's doing what Picard does, you know, Picard series 2 is really, really contemporary and it's concerns.

298
00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:19.019
And it's, but I think it's space emission doesn't really land, huh?

299
00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:28.079
Because it's, you know, they find a chemical on Europa that's used to find a technological solution for, you know, like a stupid space.

300
00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:28.920
Yeah.

301
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This.

302
00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:36.119
Well, you know, there weren't orbiting nuclear plants, but they were certainly a thing that was being discussed.

303
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.440
Do you know what I mean?

304
00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:39.299
Like people were speculating about them.

305
00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.420
So, yes, look, there it is.

306
00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.319
The Sonic.

307
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:45.119
The consequence is feasible, is that what you're saying?

308
00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.180
Yeah, yeah.

309
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Yeah.

310
00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:54.779
And, you know, like the Cold War was dangerous and terrifying in all sorts of ways, you know.

311
00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:58.200
God, that guy's hideous, isn't he?

312
00:19:58.259 --> 00:19:59.460
The blonde...

313
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.400
She has a shame, you know, because very often the red shirts were very cute.

314
00:20:02.460 --> 00:20:04.200
They're often pretty.

315
00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:15.539
But again, I think that that's kind of a fun thing, that extra fucked it up, but the idea that he has this special pan, but it doesn't, he doesn't shoot people or anything.

316
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:26.039
He just makes them slightly loopy, like they're a little bit drug fucked and kind of happy and, you know, the policeman that he overpowers later, who has this sort of goofy grin on his face.

317
00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.039
We just say the elephant. basically the doctor, isn't he?

318
00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:30.180
Doctor Who.

319
00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.319
Well, yeah.

320
00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:40.380
Well, except though, that he's not funny and the, you know, like not deliberately funny.

321
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.140
I thought it was very funny when he was climbing up that gantry.

322
00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

323
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.759
It was a circumstance.

324
00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.140
It was making me laugh more than anything.

325
00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.180
Yeah, look at those guys.

326
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:52.019
Look at those guys.

327
00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.940
It's like the massive drug party they had at the end of...

328
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.640
The door opens and the cat walks through and then the door shuts.

329
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.140
They know this is absurd, right?

330
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:18.660
Yeah, no, yeah, of course they do. you know, I'm not going to invite too many criticisms of Picard series too, because I think obviously the characterisation is more layered and it's more spectacularly executed and things like that. more smart.

331
00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:26.940
I think that this probably works better as a single episode than protracted across an entire season.

332
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:31.079
Even though they did manage to drag some good things out of that.

333
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:37.200
I think I think a lot of people were a bit tired in those sort of mid to late episodes of series 2 when they were going.

334
00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:39.900
Okay, let's move along now. you know, like we know how this is going to end.

335
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:47.579
So I think that this office is giving you definite bewitched vibes and maybe...

336
00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:49.799
The door just opened on its own.

337
00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:53.700
And then that's it. and there's the cloud.

338
00:21:54.539 --> 00:22:05.579
So what if the card series 2 is really assignment Earth and it's finally been greenlit as a series after all this?

339
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:07.559
And all up Brady is the sort of thing they would do.

340
00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:09.660
Yeah.

341
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:10.619
I mean, look at that.

342
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:11.940
Did you see that drink's covering it?

343
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.980
Just slide shut to hide the portal.

344
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.880
I know, I know, with those hilarious glasses on it as well.

345
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:25.319
And I've, let's shout out to the 60s when people had drinks, cabinets in their offices.

346
00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:30.059
Somehow they just magically just zoomed out of halls and things like this, you know?

347
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.119
God, I wish I was alive in the 60s.

348
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:45.359
No, but think about those secret panels and stuff, even in Doctor Who, I'm thinking the invasion, you know, the door in Tobias Vaughan's office that also slides open to reveal a space thing.

349
00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:46.619
Do you know what I mean?

350
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.799
Like this is the era for that, I think, the 60s.

351
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:51.119
Okay, just slit aside.

352
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:53.279
Look at the bookcase opens as well.

353
00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:57.000
That is a massive computer and even better.

354
00:22:57.059 --> 00:23:00.000
It's got a really snippy woman's voice, isn't it?

355
00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:03.420
It's a clip, sarky computer.

356
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:11.460
Well, and he's got the shits with it, doesn't he, for being a sort of arrogant, you know, something computer.

357
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:12.779
I can't even remember what he calls it.

358
00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.240
He does look like a lead as well, doesn't he?

359
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.480
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

360
00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:22.319
Like, I don't think he's massively good looking or anything like that, but he's interesting.

361
00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:23.099
It's quite smart, though.

362
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.000
He's got sorry either.

363
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:25.019
He's got it.

364
00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:26.519
Whatever it is, he's got it.

365
00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:30.660
Yeah, he does have something and the outfit, I mean, look at the suit.

366
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.480
Look at the colours, he just looks magnificent.

367
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:37.440
I love the sort of coloured lights for the computers as well.

368
00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:38.640
Just all of it.

369
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.099
Everything about this room. is amazing.

370
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:49.980
In fact, I think not who did a bit of nicking, you know, because you remember Shada in season 17 when Professor Kronosis study becomes a spaceship.

371
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.200
That's all very similar to this, isn't it?

372
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:59.759
And in fact, do you remember an old man Bashir, where, I mean, after in James Bond, But where, which is...

373
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:00.900
A woman presses the bar.

374
00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:06.299
The wall slides aside and then it's massive array of weapons just appears out of no way.

375
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.039
But again, it is 60 Spotify, isn't it?

376
00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:13.140
It's all that sort of. yeah.

377
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

378
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.680
And it is just visually sumptuous.

379
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:18.059
That's what I love.

380
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:18.420
Yeah.

381
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.119
Because, you know, like we said about Scott Spray.

382
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:23.099
There was just no set dressing at all.

383
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.640
It was it was empty rooms with coloured gerols on the walls, you know?

384
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

385
00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:38.819
Whereas this has got just an all they have to do is like period furniture, like the stuff that they would have been like create a contemporary office turns out in 1968.

386
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:39.839
That looks stylish.

387
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.039
I do all this wacky stuff.

388
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:45.359
This is why they go to, Alice in Wonderland, because you can do the tea party, you know, and go to town with it.

389
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:52.799
You're not doing like, you know, just the studio, the terrible studio with the rocks in the background and then the lit sky.

390
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.900
Yeah.

391
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.440
Yeah.

392
00:24:55.500 --> 00:25:09.660
So in, in, um, series 2 of Strange New Worlds, there's an episode where Captain Pike goes to visit someone on another planet and we actually get to go outside and realise the planet like that.

393
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.559
And that's a thing that strangely worlds has made a point of doing.

394
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:20.700
It says it can realise planets by going on location, and it can afford to do that, and that's an expensive thing to do.

395
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.119
But you can't do that in the 60s or the 90s.

396
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.319
You can very rarely go to a place unless it's, you know, the wilderness or something.

397
00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:30.900
It can't be...

398
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.299
That episode with Boheemler in it.

399
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.019
What was that called?

400
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.220
You know, you know where the sort of the gateway was on that planet?

401
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.299
That had a look at one of those old studios sets about it.

402
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.180
The light in was just, and I was like, they're doing it.

403
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.460
It's like one of those sheep out shit.

404
00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:48.000
Yeah, yeah.

405
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.559
It's city on the edge of forever.

406
00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.140
He's left the city on the edge of forever.

407
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.960
Only, it's a time portal created by New weekend.

408
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:57.960
We're not doing it... doing it lovingly, you know?

409
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.359
Yeah, yeah exactly right.

410
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.920
There we go.

411
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.660
Gary 7 on his sofa with the cat.

412
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:05.940
Has he got a dime Monte collar?

413
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.059
Shit, yeah, I think she does.

414
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.799
Now look at this.

415
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:18.359
These women there, Hamp, we've got a diverse group of extras.

416
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.839
Look how handsome Shatner looks in that outfit.

417
00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:24.240
And it's the 1st of all.

418
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.680
Lemoy's amazing bubble hat.

419
00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:26.640
Yeah, whatever that is.

420
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.380
Yeah, yeah.

421
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.299
Well, when do they do that joke?

422
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.900
The joke, like, there is another joke where do we go back into?

423
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.319
no, no.

424
00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:35.819
He takes the hat off later on, doesn't he?

425
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.559
She turns around and his ears are on the show.

426
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.599
I really thought she was.

427
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.339
Yeah, but I mean, he's worn a hat before.

428
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:41.700
Yeah.

429
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:43.799
Well, in the boy's home.

430
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:45.779
The belt around his ears, doesn't he?

431
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.460
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

432
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.380
But in in track.

433
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.539
So, so he's got a thing that will, uh, that's his equivalent of the psyche.

434
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:56.160
A slightly psychic.

435
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.240
Homicide squad.

436
00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.019
He works for everyone.

437
00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:58.619
Yep.

438
00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:06.119
And all you need is a piece of paper to prove that you're one of those people. to think, you know, Doctor Who was paying attention.

439
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.220
Yeah.

440
00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:12.539
Oh, this woman, this woman's costume, honestly.

441
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.000
It's like bright orange and pink.

442
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:16.619
You'd only have it in the 60s.

443
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:23.460
So this is Terry Garr who gets nominated for best supporting actress in Tootsie.

444
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:29.339
So she is a thing, but not at this point, I think.

445
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.799
Like, and she was very familiar.

446
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:35.819
Like, I didn't recognise her immediately, but I just knew that I'd seen her in something.

447
00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:37.619
And I think she's...

448
00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:38.519
Yeah, I saw that.

449
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:42.779
A review on Jammers, where someone was saying, you know, she was a useless airhead.

450
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.420
That's kind of the idea, isn't it?

451
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:46.799
It's supposed to be fun.

452
00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:47.940
Do you know what?

453
00:27:48.000 --> 00:28:00.900
She saves the day because she believes Gary and she helps convince Spock and Kirk to let him do the thing.

454
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.420
You know, like she gets to save the day.

455
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:16.140
She learns to trust him and and they get to work together and it's like a weird, like this sort of weird office where the computer, like the typewriter does dictation and stuff.

456
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.420
Like, I just...

457
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:21.240
I really want to watch the rest of the show. series one.

458
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.539
And we'll have a bit of moonlighting, will they, won't they, going on with this pair?

459
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:27.180
Yeah, yeah, maybe.

460
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:34.680
But maybe she's just sort of sweet and kind of funny and stuff and that doesn't go there because maybe that's not the sort of thing that this show would ever have been.

461
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:36.059
Have we gone to series, you know.

462
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.200
I'll be desperate to know what that filing cabinet's going to turn into and that picture on the wall.

463
00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:43.019
I just want everything in this room to have another function.

464
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.259
Everything slides out and then another thing's behind it.

465
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:47.579
The magic typewriter.

466
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.140
Just dictates.

467
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.059
That's it.

468
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:55.440
It's dragon.

469
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.279
I like the fact as well.

470
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.259
I really explore it and she just keeps going.

471
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.740
It's still doing it. still doing what I'm saying. incredible.

472
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.279
Stop it, stop it.

473
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:11.940
Even doing punctuation, capitals, everything.

474
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.359
But you just think, like, your regular, your average Star Trek viewer just doesn't like this sort of thing.

475
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.920
I just, it's so fun.

476
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.240
What's the objection?

477
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.480
Oh, I don't know.

478
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:35.339
I think it's because, I think it's because for some people, Star Trek is a serious thing and because everything that happens on Star Trek happens really happens in a future that we're imagining.

479
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:40.799
And so they fear making the universe ridiculous.

480
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.920
And we, like we, Doctor Who fans do that as well.

481
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:49.559
They're frightened that the world that the show takes place in becomes preposterous.

482
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:52.859
But the thing is that it just does...

483
00:29:52.859 --> 00:30:00.359
I mean, if they really truly die against those universes, When they stumble across episodes like masks and Genesis, they must have a lot of trouble.

484
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:06.359
Yeah, yeah, where things just happen basically for the logical reasons. reality.

485
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.779
Yeah, it's very good.

486
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.799
Yeah.

487
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:20.220
Yeah, and then, you know, Kurtzman, Star Trek comes along and it's in some kind of conversation with previous Star Trek.

488
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.940
Do you know what I mean?

489
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:31.559
Like it's it's taking what's best of them and reefing on it, taking what's overlooked. to highlight again. what's been, like, lower decks does that so brilliantly.

490
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:33.240
But celebrate at the same time.

491
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:35.220
And that, that's a fine line.

492
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.519
They do it really well Yeah, they really do.

493
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.700
It's sort of like the Galaxy Quest effect, isn't it?

494
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.200
You know, of being a pastiche, taking a piss and saying this is great anyway.

495
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.420
Yeah, that's right.

496
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.019
So these two, like, I think they are.

497
00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:54.420
Look at her.

498
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.099
You know what's sad, though?

499
00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:57.119
Are they?

500
00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:58.019
You know what's really sad?

501
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.240
Isn't this pilot series for Simon Earth?

502
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:06.660
We've got a better... representation, a female representation than we ever do in Star Trek.

503
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:08.579
You know?

505
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.619
She's got she's got agency.

506
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.700
She's got a personality.

507
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.019
Yeah, and she's a colleague.

508
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.599
Like Ahura's literally just pushing buttons in this episode.

509
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.140
Yeah, she's barely in this one, isn't she?

510
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:20.819
I think she gets one line possibly.

511
00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:23.220
I was going to say something really awful then.

512
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.700
I was going to say, is it because she's white, but I don't think that's the case.

513
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.680
Well, no, I don't know.

514
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:35.099
I mean, it's still like there's who's the main white woman on original?

515
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.019
It's Yeoman Rand?

516
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.240
Yeah, or Christine Chapel.

517
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.019
Oh, yeah, who's just a weeping, you know, lovesick puppy.

518
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:48.000
They're very minor characters, you know, so there isn't a female lead.

519
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:49.980
I'm going to assume that...

520
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:51.420
What's her name, Miss?

521
00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.500
the sectary?

522
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.039
What was her name?

523
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:54.539
Miss Lincoln.

524
00:31:54.599 --> 00:32:01.500
I'm assuming she's got like great martial arts skills, a bit like the Avengers. that she's got a...

525
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.640
I hope she doesn't.

526
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:10.440
I heard she's kind of like a bit hapless and kind of she's found herself in this thing, but she's plucky and is willing to try.

527
00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:13.619
And so she does it by being And what she does is in comedy sequences.

528
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.700
She just picks up a vase and smashes it out of someone's head or something like that, you know, a change right.

529
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.140
Yeah, she's bringing in the table.

530
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:22.319
She's over Gary's head, by mistake, you know, like...

531
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.119
He's being held up by the latest aliens.

532
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:27.359
She brings in the tea and then just smashes the tray over the reds, you know?

533
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:27.960
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:29.400
This stuff writes itself.

535
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.720
Yeah, I think I think she would be she would be a really funny foil.

536
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.299
Imagine the periods of history they could visit as well.

537
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:37.619
I mean, it's ripe.

538
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:40.920
I don't really want them to do that.

539
00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:48.299
I want them to stay here in the 60s and thwart the Americans from for what the American military industrial complex.

540
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.299
Every single episode in the 60s, so you'll have a bit of glamour every week.

541
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:56.579
Yeah.

542
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.960
Paul Shatner and Nemo.

543
00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:58.619
Like a bit lost.

544
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.900
Oh, are we still... are we still in this?

545
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:10.619
Let's remember this could potentially have been the last episode of TOS, because the 3rd series was on a given, was it?

546
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.539
No.

547
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:13.140
Yeah.

548
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:15.779
Yeah, it's a funny way to think about it.

549
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:24.059
I was watching it, thinking, wow, and Scotty gets 2 lines and Chekhov gets 2 lines and no one's really celebrated in this last episode.

550
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:32.880
No, although Jimmy Dewan does get a bigger role than just Scotty in this episode.

551
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.220
Oh, does he?

552
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:35.880
What does he do?

553
00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.279
He's not that he's not that female computer voice, is he?

554
00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:39.960
No, yeah, that's right.

555
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:44.579
No, he's the mission control voice in the scenes towards the end of a thing.

556
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:51.119
He's the guy doing all the announcements on mission control because he is a consummate voice.

557
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:53.339
Yeah, I still remember the Scottish accent.

558
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.480
It's just nature of his voice in Bem when he played every alien going.

559
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.779
He played Arax and Bam himself.

560
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.839
Hello, Captain K. Oh, it was amazing.

561
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:08.639
Wow, she's really going for it.

562
00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:09.719
Man.

563
00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:14.820
I mean, that's way cooler than transporter beams, just walking through that misty portal.

564
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.360
Yeah.

565
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

566
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.920
And they recreate it. what we did, remember?

567
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:23.219
What was that episode called in the Western place with all the signs hanging up from nowhere?

568
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.780
Do you remember?

569
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.360
Yeah, they walked through a misty portal, didn't they?

570
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:29.519
Remember that that worked last season.

571
00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:30.539
We can have a bit of that.

572
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.460
Yeah.

573
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.079
Oh I loved all of this.

574
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:35.579
I thought those guys were...

575
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:41.579
And there's a long shot, a 2nd of this setting with the rocket matted in.

576
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:46.380
And you know, it's a bit awkward because you can see the line, but the scale of it is great.

577
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.739
Oh, yeah, no, I think that works really well and that's an original thing, isn't it, clearly, because it's just a photograph.

578
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.300
I thought the way they used the stock.

579
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.400
And that's a photograph. was really well done as well.

580
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:01.500
Obviously, you can tell when they're in mission control and when they're in the corner of a studio with one console.

581
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.059
Yeah, yeah.

582
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:03.900
But it was very well done.

583
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:16.800
But they go outside and they have establishing shots and stuff and they can use normal TV tricks to kind of sell the world much more easily and more cheaply than they can in a normal Star Trek.

584
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.980
I don't think that Nemo and Chapman I should ever take those coats off.

585
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.639
You know, they should never get back into their uniforms again.

586
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.820
Shatner particularly looks great.

587
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.239
Shannon looks so good in that, in that...

588
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.460
Spock's being very handsy with Miss Lincoln, isn't he?

589
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:38.880
Yeah, so that was the one thing about it that I didn't like very much.

590
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.420
I...

591
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.280
Oh, this useless woman, she's going to give us away.

592
00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:42.420
I'm going to cover her mouth.

593
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:50.940
Well, it's 1968 and look at what Emma Peel is doing at the same time. try to get me hot, honestly.

594
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.239
She's so good.

595
00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:55.500
I love this.

596
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.099
I love they accidentally beam the policeman up.

597
00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.420
And then they just be in the back.

598
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:05.940
So great.

599
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.440
You don't even mind me, doesn't it?

600
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.559
Sequence in the 2 TV movie where that policeman on a bike goes straight into the TARDIS and then comes straight out again.

601
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.000
And then go straight out again.

602
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.460
And look, there they are back in the office.

603
00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:22.079
I should have just gone, strike me pink.

604
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.119
Yeah, look at all this stuff.

605
00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:33.239
And it works as well because the stock shots, they're doing the announcements over it as well.

606
00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:35.579
And it's marrying with the studio shots.

607
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.360
So it's it's adequate enough for what they're trying to tell.

608
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.280
Yeah, I mean, this is a small set.

609
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:48.239
It's all they're ever going to be able to afford and I guess we imagine we're looking out through that window over mission control.

610
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:50.460
So I buy that.

611
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.079
Tells the story.

612
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:54.900
Yeah.

614
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:58.260
Oh, why is there always a sassy guard?

615
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.039
Uh, this guy.

616
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:06.719
But again, so he's just going to use his special Sonic screwdriver too.

617
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.639
He's literally psychic paper, isn't he?

618
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:09.239
Let me in.

619
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:10.500
It's my ID.

620
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

621
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.019
He got his psyche paper.

622
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:20.639
And I'm getting a good look here of what Doctor Who would look like on film, you know, and I'm loving it.

623
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:29.699
I mean, you know, the doctor's a little bit more ramshackle and a little bit less authoritative.

625
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.780
John Pertwee?

626
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.860
Maybe it's a pertwee.

627
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.599
Yeah, maybe it's per twee.

628
00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:34.980
That pen.

629
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:36.780
The security guy.

630
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.639
She distracts him.

631
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.500
He gets shot by the happiness gun.

632
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.840
And now he's doing some acting.

633
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.559
Look at him.

634
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:44.280
He's suddenly happy.

635
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:45.420
I could be doing it.

636
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.219
Stop making these parallels.

637
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.280
But I think there was a happiness gun in underworld in doctor as well.

638
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:53.460
I think they might. everyone's looking at this episode.

639
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:59.460
But I think what's really funny. is that he's super serious.

640
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:05.340
And when he's doing his things, he just leaves trails have sort of blisted out guards and stuff.

641
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.559
That's what we want, isn't it?

642
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:09.119
We don't, like...

643
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:10.320
Suddenly down sleeves.

644
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.960
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it's fun.

645
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:14.099
That's exactly right.

646
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.780
There's something really fun about it.

647
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:23.699
And so now we're doing all this sort of race against time. to our favourite shuttle. which, you know, it doesn't, but it's, it's well done.

648
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.079
I think it's well, especially the bit where he's climbing up the gantry. stop talking about it.

649
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:29.280
Oh, it's so funny.

650
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:33.239
I feel like more shows nowadays should be climbing up walls, you know, like that.

651
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:34.980
Yeah, yeah.

652
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:36.000
Well, sorry, yeah, yeah.

653
00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:37.500
Climbing up the floor.

654
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.579
Along the thing.

655
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.500
I can't wait to see that again.

656
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:41.519
That's going to be pretty great.

657
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:43.440
Although it's probably just the floor.

658
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:45.360
No, it's definitely...

659
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:51.300
Those shots in Batman when they're going up roads.

660
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

661
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.099
It so true.

662
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:53.820
I'm not sure.

663
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.340
I think the feeding has ever been better.

664
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:03.000
But the great thing about it is that everyone knows how it's done and that that's part of the fun of it.

665
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:07.559
Like part of the fun is seeing them play it as if they're walking up the wall.

666
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:10.260
And we're all in on the joke.

667
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.340
Well, they've just got their hand, like one hand on a window ledge or something like that.

668
00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:18.420
And they hold on and have a dialogue scene for about 5 minutes.

669
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.000
Yeah.

670
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:28.500
And here's our stock footage of the, you know, like Apollo thing or whatever.

671
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.519
Like, what is it?

672
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:30.780
Satin 5 rocket?

673
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.380
I don't know.

674
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.719
But that's pretty awesome.

675
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:37.559
This is, for me, this is just what Star Trek should be doing.

676
00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:38.519
Look at the suits.

677
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:39.780
Look at them in their suits.

678
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:42.900
Look at Shatner in that suit.

679
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.000
They both look magnificent, don't they?

680
00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:48.119
stock shot looked a bit like Starfleet headquarters from the 90s just then.

681
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:56.760
Yeah, I was getting vibes of before and after. from Voyager series one.

682
00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:00.360
Talking about a Star Trek universe where everyone takes things very seriously.

683
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:00.659
Yeah.

684
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:04.500
Do you know what, though?

685
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.880
We did agree, didn't we?

686
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:06.360
The other week.

687
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:10.199
I said to you, I used to think DS9 was this incredibly serious greatest show.

688
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:18.300
And then we watched an episode in the height of the war arc, which was the biggest fucking soap opera we've ever seen, the pair of that.

689
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.239
As it should be.

690
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.300
Yeah, that's what's great about it.

691
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.260
That's not a failure.

692
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:33.059
That's it. absolutely doing the right. sort of force of nature and things like that when it's taken itself incredibly seriously that it's very tedious.

693
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:39.960
Well, I think if it's good, it can afford to take itself seriously, I think.

694
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:44.579
But I mean, there's an inherent ridiculousness to the premise, isn't there, I guess?

695
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.380
Yeah, isn't he fun?

696
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.920
Oh, God, I was going to make more parallel stops here.

697
00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:56.099
This is the one time I can do it because I feel like this is basically a doctor's story posing as a Star Trek story.

698
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.820
But, you know, Leopolis, where you got the guards going up the gantry after the doctor.

699
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.139
We just had a bit of that there as well.

700
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.800
Yeah.

701
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:04.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

702
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:08.039
So we're launching from the Canary Islands.

703
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:08.579
Wait, what?

704
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.260
No, we're not.

705
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.059
Oh, they're tracking it or something?

706
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:13.619
Okay.

707
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.380
I think he's gone up now.

708
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.880
We're heading for that sequence.

709
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.400
We are heading up for the scene.

710
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.440
Oh, yeah, for sure.

711
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:23.400
That's a stock shot.

712
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:24.239
That works well.

713
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

714
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.400
It must have sort of done a bit of dick in first.

715
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:29.940
It looks really good.

716
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.079
What stock shots have we got?

717
00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:33.119
I will write this...

718
00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:37.079
Yeah, either that or there is a thing.

719
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.980
Do you know what I mean?

720
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.679
They go to a building with a thing on it and shoot that.

721
00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:41.400
I don't know.

722
00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.420
I mean, where are they here?

723
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:43.739
Just a car park.

724
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.619
Oh, now we're in the set. photographic background.

725
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.780
Oh yeah, I do too.

726
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:49.619
I do.

727
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.559
And now yet we're doing a slow sedate pan up the rocket.

728
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:54.900
Yeah.

729
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

730
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:58.860
It feels like it's got some scale, doesn't it?

731
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.900
Yeah.

732
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.239
Yeah, that is great.

733
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:06.480
But then we are reminded of the artificial television in the second.

734
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.079
Oh, look at Nimoy's hat now.

735
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:12.300
Nemoy's new hat.

736
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.039
He's got, why is he wearing a different hat?

737
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.320
Are they still wearing the same suit?

738
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:16.679
They are.

739
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.380
Someone stole in the studio between scenes, the other one.

740
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:20.760
So they're like, oh, bugger it.

741
00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:23.400
Doris, give us your app. makes sense.

742
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.000
Look short from the distance.

743
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:28.980
I know that's a stock shop, but that's fabulous.

744
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.820
Yeah, film.

746
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.119
This works, oh, this, there, there's our...

747
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.260
They do this in future.

748
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:39.059
Is that...?

749
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.539
What's that?

750
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.619
No, that's real.

751
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.059
I think that's that's, yeah, a helicopter getting past them. that's real. holy crap.

752
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.519
I keep calling it a rocket. a shuttle, isn't it?

753
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.280
No, no, it's a rocket. shuttle.

754
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:54.599
So the shuttles don't really start happening until the 80s, I think.

755
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:58.139
Do you like the fact that they've got that red light on the console there?

756
00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.579
Like an old policeman's love.

757
00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:01.739
Yep, yep.

758
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:03.239
Well, it's the flashing red line.

759
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:05.159
It's an alert, you need an alert.

760
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.980
Oh, come on, missy.

761
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:09.719
It's time to save the day.

762
00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:10.860
Roberta.

763
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.780
I'm so useless.

764
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.860
She's so sweet.

765
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:20.460
Bless her.

766
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.260
Oh, what's happening?

767
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.039
Is Gary coming back?

768
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:24.179
No he can't be coming back.

769
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.400
She figured out that the door works by...

770
00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:29.519
Oh, she's figured out how to open the thing using the pen.

771
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:32.400
I used to be so obsessed.

772
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:39.480
So I am born like a year after this as, well, thereabouts, right?

773
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:51.659
And so I remember as a child, like a very small child going to my father's office and it being decorated like this and the desk set, you know, like with the pens.

774
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.539
Like that stuff just fascinated the hell out of me.

775
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.139
I just think the designer must have just been like, oh, here we go.

776
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.340
Here we go.

777
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.780
Here it is.

778
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.239
That's a good cat.

779
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.099
I'll tell you what, for climbing over him like that.

780
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.539
Just as they need him.

781
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:07.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.440
No, he's got some salmon in his pocket or something.

783
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:18.119
So you've got this tiny bit of rocket set with some dry ice pumping out.

784
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:18.900
Yeah.

785
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.860
It's great.

786
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.199
And he's kind of...

787
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.280
The fact's so great.

788
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.559
She's a fur... cat's gone.

789
00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:26.820
The photographic backdrop as well.

790
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:28.920
I just think they're really trying.

791
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:30.840
It really works.

792
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.239
I think the photographic backdrop really, really bad.

793
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:37.500
I mean, I'm going to remind you of TNG series one and all those terrible studios says.

794
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.420
They're putting far more effort into this.

795
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:40.800
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:41.579
Oh, yeah.

797
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:42.119
Yeah.

798
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:48.059
And effectively, that's where this is where Gene Roddenbury stopped and TNG one is where he picked it up again, is it?

799
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:48.659
on television.

800
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.820
Yeah, I guess so.

801
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.380
Yeah, it's forgotten.

802
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.579
He's forgotten how good he was.

803
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.739
Yeah, exactly.

804
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.960
Oh, yeah.

805
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.820
I think, you know, like the distance...

806
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.320
What is it?

807
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.480
It's 20 years distanced.

808
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:07.500
Do you know what I mean?

809
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:20.159
And I think that I think that he's not in a position to realise what really worked the 1st time around and there are things probably that were good, but that he was kind of embarrassed about, you know.

810
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:29.159
What I would have liked to have seen was had they realised what they had, which they realised in the early 70s when the reruns were going out.

811
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:33.480
And they just said, you know, we would make this, but the sets would be too expensive to make again.

812
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.559
So tough shit.

813
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:35.820
You've got the animated series.

814
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.780
I would like to have seen how it would have transformed into the 70s.

815
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.599
Like phase two.

816
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:49.380
Because that was the original plan that then gets turned into into the motionless picture, isn't it?

817
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.000
Have you seen some of those phase two?

818
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:53.400
I mean, the child was one of those scripts, wasn't it?

819
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:55.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

820
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.039
Maybe maybe Roddenbury really had gone off the boy or come TNG.

821
00:45:59.099 --> 00:45:59.940
The child.

822
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:04.860
So Space 1999 does the child.

823
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.360
Only the child is Julian Glover and ends up being evil. wonderful.

824
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.219
It's so good.

825
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.119
Oh, that.

826
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:15.780
Look at that.

827
00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:19.619
Wait, are they going to beam him out of there?

828
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:20.159
They are.

829
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.539
They're going to beam him out of there.

830
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.380
So he...

831
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.280
Oh, yes, okay.

832
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:26.460
So we don't prevent the launch, do we?

833
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.000
And so instead we have to crash a nuclear form into the surface of the planet.

834
00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:33.780
It's just what we want. is a spectacular ending.

835
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.760
It'd be a hot country.

836
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:38.699
It won't be like anywhere where there are people, I guess.

837
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.179
Oh, I love that she's figuring out how to use the room, how to get to him.

838
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:45.900
Yep.

839
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.880
Will she learn how to beam?

840
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.659
Yeah.

841
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.719
Yeah, here we go.

842
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:52.500
They're getting him.

843
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:53.280
They're getting him.

844
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:54.599
In fact, Nathan, I'm gonna do it again.

845
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:58.860
I'm getting scenes from Lagopolis here of Tom Baker on the gantry, you know.

846
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:07.619
Any story that ends with a climax of someone poking into a console like that to save the day.

847
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.559
Well, that sounds... science fiction for you, isn't it?

848
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:13.019
Oh, so she gets him back.

849
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.599
She gets him back from the enterprise.

850
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:17.579
It does seem to be accidental, though.

851
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:18.900
She's just twiddling a few knobs.

852
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.900
Oh, no, no, no, because she's super surprised that it happens.

854
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.800
But she does help save the day and she does bond with him, I think.

855
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:34.079
This is our lead, you know, of our new fabulous show.

856
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:35.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.199
Oh, this computer.

858
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:39.119
Do you know what?

859
00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:46.380
It's going to be my mission in life now to have a house where the bookcase slides out.

860
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.659
It gives me fucking lip every time it talks to me.

861
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.320
Oh, look at look at the monitor.

862
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.639
I wish I had a round one.

863
00:47:56.699 --> 00:47:58.679
I do feel a bit sorry for Spock and Kirk.

864
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:00.059
They hadn't do it much, I...

865
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.559
No.

866
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.800
Yeah, they're having an easy week this week.

867
00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:06.239
I'm sure they're still getting paid.

868
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:06.719
They're fine.

869
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:10.440
I mean, we've had what, 40, nearly 50 episodes of a pair of them now.

870
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.699
They've done a lot, you know?

871
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.960
Yeah, magnanimous enough to let the backtop pilots slip in.

872
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:24.539
But like that whole conversation that they had was just about how they can't do anything, you know, like we're standing here.

873
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.300
I, afraid we can't do it. just reminding us that they, you know?

874
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.619
Yeah, yeah.

875
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.920
Well, just let Gary and Roberta do the plot while we stand here.

876
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.519
I'm surprised I should.

877
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:38.219
It would have been nice if they had to pop up, again, in series 3.

878
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:42.599
Yeah, it's not the sort of thing that they did, I think.

879
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:45.119
And I think they stopped having, didn't they?

880
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.760
I think we're a bit embarrassed by this.

881
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:51.840
Like, you know, even though it's really fun.

882
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.440
I think.

883
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:53.760
Are you embarrassed by this?

884
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:55.440
No, not at all.

885
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:56.159
I think it's awesome.

886
00:48:56.219 --> 00:49:00.539
Well, I mean, this is basically a template for the other show that you and I obsess about.

887
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.039
You know?

888
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:05.880
Well, it's well, it once really funny though.

889
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:19.079
Like, if you think about it right, when 90 Star Trek says, let's do a spinoff, they go, I know, let's make it the same, but it's set on a space station, and you can think, okay, that's super imaginative.

890
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:23.340
And then the next spinoff is, let's do it, but it's another spaceship.

891
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:30.900
And then the other spinoff after that is, let's do that, but it's another spaceship, and that's really all they ever come up with. somewhere else.

892
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:42.659
This is like, yeah, yeah, this is like aliens, you know, have taken people from Earth, train them up to prevent the American military industrial complex.

893
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.820
And then send them back.

894
00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:46.199
A different show, isn't it?

895
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:47.880
a completely different show.

896
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:50.039
And it would have had a different sci-fi.

897
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:51.420
Yeah, it would have been wonderful.

898
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.139
Yeah, yeah.

899
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.519
Although, you know, you know what I mean?

900
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.699
I'll never resist the temptation to defend DS9.

901
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:02.340
What I will say is they decided to set it on the space station, but then make it in a massive soap opera.

902
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.139
And that's what they did that was different, you know?

903
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:13.559
No, but like when they're coming up with the idea, it's basically just we're all on a space station and then every week 2 people go on a runabout and go and do an adventure.

904
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:15.659
You know, like they know what they're doing.

905
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:19.199
The pillar pitch was, it's on a space station with consequences.

906
00:50:19.739 --> 00:50:23.460
That was that was that was the gold there.

907
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:30.119
But I don't think they discover that until they certainly don't discover it in the series one, where are the consequences?

908
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:31.139
Do you know what I mean?

909
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.119
No sequels to other things or anything.

910
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:40.139
Like, it takes a while for them to work out why they're different from Star Trek and it is, oh, look at that.

911
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.119
Oh, she ringing the cops.

912
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:43.440
Roberta, come on.

913
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:54.599
But Star Trek 2 assignment Earth, as 2 separate shows had it, come to fruition, is like, um, 60 stock 2 into 70s, Doctor Who.

914
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:56.760
It is a completely different.

915
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.900
Oh, yeah, yeah.

916
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.619
A whole different thing.

917
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:01.139
And I think that's good, isn't it?

918
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:01.679
That's healthy.

919
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:03.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

920
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:06.719
And this is a kind of road not travelled for Star Trek.

921
00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:17.579
And so although we have come back and looked at it again in Picard series 2, you can't imagine calling a thing a Star Trek spinoff and having it be anything like this.

922
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:20.760
Imagine, Nathan, right, with the Kurtzman money.

923
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:25.679
Yeah, they were like, right, we're finally got to do assignment Earth and we're going to set it in the...

924
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.440
And we're going to have all that square.

925
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.360
Fabulous design from back in the day.

926
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.159
You and me would love it.

927
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.719
It would be great.

928
00:51:33.780 --> 00:51:36.659
Everybody else would be cringing.

929
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.539
We want a season two, right?

930
00:51:40.019 --> 00:51:51.300
But you're absolutely right about the use of stock footage because it's set around a launch, and because there is all that news footage of all of the launches and stuff.

931
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:56.519
I mean, the moon landing is just over a year away.

932
00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:59.820
I think this is like March 1968.

933
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:00.599
I can't remember.

934
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:07.619
But, you know, we've had rockets and stuff like that and footage on them, you know.

935
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:18.179
So they use it really effectively and it makes it look very science fiction-y and I guess that's why this is the Spy-fi era. in the air as well, wasn't it?

936
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.079
Send in.

937
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:19.980
Yeah, yeah.

938
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:21.659
Oh, rocket up to the moon.

939
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.579
So it is cutting edge this.

940
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:27.539
We're looking at it now, we think it's a bit quaint, but back in the day.

941
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:31.619
Like, that's it.

942
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:44.280
Like, I'm, I, it's, it maybe 10 years after this, I go to Cape Canaveral in, in Florida as a child and I saw the, you know, the, I must have seen them.

943
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:46.320
Must have been the enterprise.

944
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:48.900
It was a definitely sort of space shuttle in any case.

945
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:53.099
You know, um, And that's kind of the death of it.

946
00:52:53.159 --> 00:53:00.420
You know, once the space shuttles come in, then it all sort of goes to hell and it's no longer exciting and stuff, but it's so exciting in the 60s.

947
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.820
We've lost that buzz about it, isn't it?

948
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.800
Of exploring the unknown.

949
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:06.480
Yeah.

950
00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:11.519
I don't feel we have in terms of fiction and the enticing possibilities.

951
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.320
I do think we have in terms of reality.

952
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.300
Yeah.

953
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:28.320
Well, it's just incredible to think that 50 years ago, there were people walking around on the moon, were more than that now, but that's... shared sense of excitement of everyone watching it on the TV.

954
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:29.400
Oh, yeah.

955
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.579
See, that did happen within my lifetime.

956
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:38.460
Like, I think I was maybe 2 or 3 months old.

957
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.980
And your love of science fiction began there.

958
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:42.420
That's it.

959
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.699
I think I was propped up in front of the television.

960
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.800
Oh, look, she's got the she's got the Sonic screwdriver now.

961
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:51.059
She pointing it at Gary 7.

962
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.519
Yeah, is she going to make him happy?

963
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.840
See this is great, isn't it?

964
00:53:57.900 --> 00:53:58.679
Oh my god.

965
00:53:58.739 --> 00:54:00.179
This is bewitched.

966
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.460
This is bloody bewitched Yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:03.960
There's absolutely.

968
00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:05.280
It's the look of the thing.

969
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:16.800
But what is really good about this scene is that she thinks he's an enemy agent because she knows that he tried to stop an American rocket launch, right?

970
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:23.820
And so it's like, you're my enemy, I'm going to point, you know, point this gum thing at you, and she comes around.

971
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.059
She believes him by the end of the episode in just a few minutes.

972
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:35.579
She will, uh, she'll show that she believes him and actually helps to convince uh, Kirk and Spock to let him do the thing.

973
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.860
Yeah, it's a great end.

974
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.340
Yes.

975
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.860
It means the 2 characters do go on a little journey together as well, don't they?

976
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.239
So then she loves to trust him.

977
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:47.159
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

978
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.659
Ah, there we go.

979
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.360
There's our Vulcan neck pinch.

980
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.099
Wipe it out of the action for 20 minutes now.

981
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:55.260
Finally, they're in the plot again.

982
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.780
Just get peeped out.

984
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.280
These guys don't notice.

985
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:06.719
I wonder what happened to those 2 policemen.

986
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:10.019
I think they've gone for a bit of a lie down, the ones that got beamed up to the Enterprise.

987
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.639
Yeah, I think so.

988
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:15.360
They're drinking at 70s. 60s. day drinking now.

989
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.539
It's after lunch.

990
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:19.440
It's time to have drink.

991
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.119
There could be a little club.

992
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:26.099
You know those homeless people when the ship comes down in voyage home?

993
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.239
There's like a club of people every time they come back in time with a spaceship or something.

994
00:55:30.300 --> 00:55:32.460
It's just like, 0 my god, another spaceship.

995
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.239
The society of, you know, spaceship sightings or something.

996
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:40.980
So here's Gary explaining the premise to her.

997
00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:43.320
I know this world needs help.

998
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:46.559
That's why some of my generation are kind of crazy rebels.

999
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:54.300
Yeah, that's terribly cheesy, um, you know, dialogue and stuff, but what about that?

1000
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.719
They wonder whether they're going to be alive by the time we're 30.

1001
00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:00.539
You know, because of the Cold War.

1002
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:12.119
And like in Picard, like Picard series 2 goes out to a world where children, you know, are right to fear.

1003
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:20.099
And perhaps, you know, we know how the Cold War turned out, but they're right to fear the future, I think, in the same way.

1004
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.860
And it is, like, the climate change thing.

1005
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:24.900
It is another tangible thing, isn't it?

1006
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:30.000
That we know, it's going to, well, we're heading in a unfortunate direction.

1007
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.579
Well, do you remember, like they look up, Raffian 7, look up to the hills above.

1008
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:36.960
Where are we in LA?

1009
00:56:37.019 --> 00:56:46.320
I can't remember and we look up at those hills and see them on fire and you know, like the news from Hawaii and stuff just a couple of weeks ago.

1010
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:53.639
I almost love Kursman Trek for taking this episode and showing it's got legs, you know?

1011
00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:54.780
Yeah, absolutely.

1012
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.099
That's what they do.

1013
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:57.840
That's absolutely what they do.

1014
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.800
I just wish they would have gone to the 60s as well.

1015
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:06.300
Never mind.

1016
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.960
All that, all that location work in series Tory Picard is great.

1017
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:12.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1018
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:19.679
Oh, what's the, is Spock saying trust your guard?

1019
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.199
Look at them looking at each other.

1020
00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:24.059
All 3 of them in close-up.

1021
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.199
These men, manning and being men at each other.

1022
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:29.579
Talk about human intuition.

1023
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.280
We're leaning into some of the things we normally explore in this show.

1024
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:33.599
Yeah, yeah, delicately.

1025
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:36.239
Yeah, it's just like it would give Spock a spotline.

1026
00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:38.940
Yeah, this could be one of his last line.

1027
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.559
We better make him say something.

1028
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.039
Yeah, and...

1029
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:48.059
Yeah, so Spock and her convince him to do it.

1030
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.619
And just his own intuition.

1031
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:57.059
I think he recognises the fellow, like another lead of another TV show, and so he should let him do his thing.

1032
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:02.760
I think they said to Shatner, you know, look, if you want to do a play this month, go ahead, all right?

1033
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:03.599
We'll just fill you in.

1034
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:05.519
A couple of location shots. you'll be fine.

1035
00:58:08.699 --> 00:58:10.320
Boom.

1036
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.579
So where are we who do we find out where we're blowing up?

1037
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.940
No, some Antarctica somewhere.

1038
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.039
It's a remote land with no people on it.

1039
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:22.199
With no people on it.

1040
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:24.960
Everything's fine and the nuclear fallout is all good.

1041
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:25.800
Oh, Jesus.

1042
00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:26.340
No.

1043
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.059
No problem.

1044
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.079
This is the cause of the climate problem that we're seeing in Picard series 2?

1045
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:32.519
Cause and effect.

1046
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.460
They did actually blow up quite a few nuclear bombs in testing and stuff.

1047
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.800
So, you know, I guess it's okay.

1048
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.219
Yeah, even into the 80s and stuff.

1049
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.199
I mean, this bewitched stuff here.

1050
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:48.300
The typewriter's tight in itself.

1051
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:49.619
There's a close-up on the cat.

1052
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.059
The fabulous woman.

1053
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.199
He's there in his suit.

1054
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:53.699
He's relaxing on the thing.

1055
00:58:53.760 --> 00:59:00.539
I actually, the one thing that I think is just fantastic is this.

1056
00:59:00.539 --> 00:59:06.659
She looks across and the cat is suddenly a beautiful woman and for no reason at all.

1057
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.880
And then like, what's that?

1058
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.900
But after talking, we would explore the backstory.

1059
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:17.400
He's been talking about to that cat like it is, you know, his lover of the episodes.

1060
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:22.679
She's pissy.

1061
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.000
She's a little bit jealous.

1062
00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:28.679
You just wanted to turn to the camera and do that thing with her nose.

1063
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:32.940
Simply my cat.

1064
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.460
And then back to the cat.

1065
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.320
There we go. looking a little bit embarrassed.

1066
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:38.039
I don't know.

1067
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.179
Terry Carr's reaction.

1068
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:43.139
So funny.

1069
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:48.059
Oh, I know who you've got now, Shatner, effortlessly charming as he's going to go now.

1070
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.679
So, you know, he's got that lovely smile on his face and he's like, right, well, we're done here.

1071
00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:53.639
Enjoy your show.

1072
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:54.780
David, look at this.

1073
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:06.780
Like, we can say we can't tell you about the future, but we can say that Gary 7 and Mrs. Lincoln, Miss Lincoln, have exciting adventures in store for them.

1074
01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:11.820
It's like the it's like the Emma Peel Tara King crossing on the stairs.

1075
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:13.380
It's like the golden handshake.

1076
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:14.519
Enjoy your series.

1077
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:29.639
No, I just think about the Simpsons in the Simpsons show, spinoff showcase, you know, where they're setting up Ralph Wigam and Chief Wigam in, you know, I've watched that as well.

1078
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.019
So funny.

1079
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:32.519
Yeah, I'd watch that.

1080
01:00:32.579 --> 01:00:42.719
What this really does show as well is how Star Trek can absorb other genres from the time and make it work because you've got that sort of comedy from bewitchedness.

1081
01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:45.840
You've got that spy-fi stuff from the champions and all of that.

1082
01:00:45.900 --> 01:00:49.079
And maybe people find it embarrassing.

1083
01:00:49.139 --> 01:00:52.619
I think it worked as a fun adventure romp.

1084
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.960
I think it works brilliantly.

1085
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.119
Yeah, I do too.

1086
01:00:57.179 --> 01:00:59.519
I think it's a really enjoyable 50 minutes of TV.

1087
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:06.960
And, you know, Scott McNulty says that a TOS episode tends to be on average about 10 minutes too long.

1088
01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:09.000
But I didn't feel that way about this.

1089
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:11.099
I was entertained the whole time.

1090
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:18.300
And just the fact that it, like we said, it skips over enormous gaps in logic, like the time travel with one line.

1091
01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:19.800
You know, it's doing it.

1092
01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:21.000
Oh, no, no.

1093
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:27.239
It's just we do the minimum that we need to do to just kind of get everyone in the position to have this episode.

1094
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:27.539
Yeah.

1095
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:34.619
And you know, the only trouble is, is they kept looking at other genres and, you know, they looked at Westerns and we had that fun episode in series three.

1096
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.699
But they also looked at zombie episodes and we got Spot's brain, you know.

1097
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.599
It's hit and missed depending on which genre they're looking at.

1098
01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:43.739
Oh, yeah.

1099
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:48.780
I don't know what genre they were looking at when it was the way to Eden, those hippies that came along.

1100
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, God, series 3 is rough, isn't it?

1101
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.179
I think there's more in there than we think there might be, though.

1102
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:58.980
We'll unearth it as we go along.

1103
01:01:59.039 --> 01:01:59.820
Yeah.

1104
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.019
Yeah, yeah.

1105
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.900
I think we've had good experiences in series 3 already, haven't we?

1106
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.820
Ah, yeah, the ones we've done.

1107
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.739
I mean, I even enjoyed Scott's brain.

1108
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:16.980
What I think we should do now is, though, is you and I start a brand new podcast, as you named at the beginning, untitled Assignment Earth projects.

1109
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:30.840
Well, I, yeah, I suspect that the show would have been called Assignment Earth, but given that we don't know, I'd be tempted to call it untitled Gary 7 Project, because I think that's a, that's a pretty awesome title.

1110
01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:36.960
We could just pretend they went on to make a whole 30 episode season of it.

1111
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.019
I believe there was 890 odd episodes of that, you know.

1112
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.059
Imagine that.

1113
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.820
They still making it now. get renewed.

1114
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:45.599
Yes.

1115
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:47.219
Star Trek doesn't get renewed.

1116
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:48.539
Something happens.

1117
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:50.880
Someone goes back in time.

1118
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:55.860
Probably Bones goes back in time by mistake because he's on drugs or whatever.

1119
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:09.119
And, uh, you know, he knocks over Gene Roddenby's tea lady or something and Star Trek gets cancelled at the end of series two, but they go on to make 894 episodes of uh, Gary 7.

1120
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:10.679
Not a terrible outcome.

1121
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:20.280
It's a glorious parody cartoon. they're making of the Gary 7 project right now with a great voice artist that can do it.

1122
01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:25.679
They've got a kids show of all these Gary 7-esque little kids, a prequel.

1123
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.500
And the movies.

1124
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:29.639
Don't get restarted.

1125
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:31.380
I'll tell you what right?

1126
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.900
The even ones are terrible, but the odd ones are great.

1127
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:35.880
Yeah, magnificent.

1128
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:50.460
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out what we're going to be watching next.

1129
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:57.780
This was your excellent choice, assignment Earth, and so it's my turn to ruin all.

1130
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.900
You gave us collective, and I gave us assignment.

1131
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.360
No, you're ahead on points for sure.

1132
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.760
So let's see what I can do.

1133
01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:11.579
Will I fall further behind because we are going to choose an episode of Star Trek Discovery?

1134
01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:14.039
Okay.

1135
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.320
We haven't done it for a long time.

1136
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:18.780
We haven't done it for a very long time.

1137
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.719
So let's see what we get.

1138
01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:27.179
But you know, the only reason I have that reaction is because of all the Kursman treks, you know that's my least favourite.

1139
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:34.739
Yeah, yeah, but I, you know, like you haven't seen the best of it, I think, is part of the problem.

1140
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.199
I've seen 2.5 seasons of it.

1141
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.179
That's a fair bulk of it.

1142
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.280
That is, but I think it gets better.

1143
01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:48.539
And it is a flawed show in all sorts of ways, but I think, you know, if we didn't have discovery, we wouldn't have everything else.

1144
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.880
Yeah, that's very true.

1145
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:55.980
Thankful for discovery, for giving us prodigy, lower decks, strange new worlds.

1146
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.340
All of it. wonderful stuff.

1147
01:04:59.460 --> 01:05:01.920
So this...

1148
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.400
This is really interesting.

1149
01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:07.079
I don't know if we'll do this.

1150
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:16.980
This is called all in, and it is the episode, I think, after the one that we've already done in series 4.

1151
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.039
And so Book and Michael have kind of pardoned way.

1152
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.679
He went off at the end, yeah.

1153
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1154
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.400
She says shit. which I think is pretty great.

1155
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:31.380
I love it when they swear in Star Trek.

1156
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.719
And so I think she shows after him.

1157
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:36.719
And then she looked off camera longingly, as she has, I want to do.

1158
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1159
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:48.239
But then the 2 of them meet in a place and they play a high stakes poker game, which is an extremely weird kind of scary for the show to take.

1160
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:59.519
But it gives them a chance to kind of, you know, we get to play out the conflict between them, which has been sort of simmering and which is obviously spilled over at the end of that cliffhanger.

1161
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:00.480
It's actually pretty good.

1162
01:06:00.539 --> 01:06:02.280
And I do think that series four.

1163
01:06:02.340 --> 01:06:07.800
As I've said many times, the end of series 4 is pretty great Star Trek, but I am going to press it again.

1164
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:12.480
And this might be actually, this is actually what might be a bit interesting.

1165
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:30.960
So what we've rolled is season two, episode eight, uh, and it is called if memory serves, and it has, um, Pike, who is captain of the Enterprise, obviously, in series two.

1166
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.880
Ah, well, no, don't you remember?

1167
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:40.019
It's like, where is Spock for the whole 1st part of series 2?

1168
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.699
It's kind of where's Spock?

1169
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:42.719
We haven't seen Spock.

1170
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:49.260
This is Spock and Burnham going to the planet Talos 4, which is where the cage takes place.

1171
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.039
Let's do this.

1172
01:06:50.099 --> 01:06:51.239
Let's do this.

1173
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:52.199
I think we should.

1174
01:06:52.260 --> 01:07:17.039
Because this is this is kind of the genesis of Strange New World, because what they do is they recreate Talos 4, but they obviously recreate it with modern production sensibilities and on a modern TV budget while still being true to what we all remember from that episode.

1175
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:19.559
And so in a way, if memory serves.

1176
01:07:19.619 --> 01:07:29.940
I can't remember what it means in the context of the show, but for us, it's kind of like, can we do 10 years before original Star Trek and can we do it convincingly and can it work now?

1177
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:40.800
And it will be fun to see Anson Mount again, uh, because we've kind of overdosed a bit on, on straight you worlds, given how few episodes there are, so we get to see him again.

1178
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:43.199
We get to see him with Michael and we get to see Telos 4.

1179
01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:52.860
Well, I mean, it's not just the Genesis of Strangely Wells, but it's leaning right back to the genesis of Star Trek with the the original pilot episodes, and it gives us a chance to talk about that.

1180
01:07:52.920 --> 01:08:07.380
It gives us a chance to talk about series 2 of discovery, which I think we both agree is probably the weakest season, but gave us all those wonderful gifts to go on and spearhead strange new worlds.

1181
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.119
Yeah, that's a great choice, I think.

1182
01:08:09.179 --> 01:08:13.619
And I do remember it being visually arresting as well.

1183
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:15.719
Really great.

1185
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.739
Doesn't it have like a title pre-title sequ or like a previously on?

1186
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:22.260
Aware of that.

1187
01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:24.720
It shows you fame from that original part of episode.

1188
01:08:24.899 --> 01:08:26.399
Maybe.

1189
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:27.000
Yeah.

1190
01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:32.699
So it might be the most sort of Star Trekie discovery episode that there is.

1191
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.680
Yeah, maybe that's right.

1192
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:36.060
Maybe that's absolutely right.

1193
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:37.199
All right, let's do it.

1194
01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:38.100
Fantastic.

1195
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.640
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1196
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:57.239
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1197
01:08:57.300 --> 01:09:03.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1198
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:09.180
This episode was recorded on the 29th of August 2023 and released on the 1st of September.

1199
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:14.220
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery, if memory serves.

1200
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.460
Ah, OK. All right.

1201
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.159
Oh, hang on, I'm not able to get the reps already.

1202
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:37.560
Um, I've got it.

1203
01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:46.079
Like I know they've juiced up somebody effects here.

1204
01:09:46.140 --> 01:09:48.420
I just don't think this would have looked bad, though, back in the day.

1205
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:50.159
Do you know the?

1206
01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:52.739
I watched it with the original effects.

1207
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.920
And I am now going to watch it with the new effects.

1208
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:57.600
Oh, interesting.

1209
01:09:57.659 --> 01:09:59.279
Okay, well, you tell me what's different.

1210
01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:00.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1211
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:05.399
There's one thing that is really different in a really interesting way for an amazing reason.

1212
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:06.479
Yeah.

1213
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.279
All right.

1214
01:10:08.340 --> 01:10:11.760
You should open this and it's like, right, we've got a new podcast in the works.

1215
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:14.399
It's called Gary 7 and we're going to do the pilot episode now.

1216
01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:17.279
Untitled Dinner.

1217
01:10:17.699 --> 01:10:19.619
Oh, yeah, great.

1218
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.859
But it's called, it's definitely called a Simon Earth, isn't it?

1219
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.779
Like, it's definitely called the Simon Earth.

1220
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.659
Which would be a great name for a 60s series.

1221
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:28.739
Yeah, of course.

1222
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.060
Where's he going this time?

1223
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:31.260
The Roman times.

1224
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.020
The cat's being hailed as a god, yeah.

1225
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.000
Oh, amazing.

1226
01:10:36.779 --> 01:10:41.039
There are 2 other episodes with colons in them.

1227
01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:43.800
Course oblivion.

1228
01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:45.840
Oh, and...

1229
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:48.300
What's the other one?

1230
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.199
Operation annihilate.

1231
01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:54.000
Is that it?

1232
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:54.600
Of the whole run.

1233
01:10:54.659 --> 01:10:56.039
I think so.

1234
01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:58.260
Wait a sec.

1235
01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.640
I can probably find this out.

1236
01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:01.680
Of course oblivion.

1237
01:11:01.739 --> 01:11:03.300
It's so bad.

1238
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:04.619
It's so bad.

1239
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.460
Oh, laughing so much when I was listening back to that collective.

1240
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.939
I do think we're funny as when we're being really mean, you know?

1241
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:25.979
Oh, because we talk about how shitty Janeway looks in, um, Course oblivion, 1159, because it's 1129.

1242
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah.

1243
01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:28.560
Is that it?

1244
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.960
No, it's just a Simon Earth and Course Oblivion.

1245
01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:33.659
Operation annihilate doesn't have one.

1246
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:39.899
Anyway, that's just a punctuation thing. that I can...

1247
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:45.300
I'd rather have a Simon Earth than wrongs darker than deaf and knight.

1248
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:46.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1249
01:11:46.739 --> 01:11:47.579
No, I agree.

1250
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.680
One promise is excitement.

1251
01:11:49.739 --> 01:11:52.680
The other one promises...

1252
01:11:52.739 --> 01:11:53.579
Just misery.

1253
01:11:55.859 --> 01:11:57.840
Guess what, Kira?

1254
01:11:57.899 --> 01:11:58.560
I fucked your mother.

1255
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:00.539
Is it that one?

1256
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:02.579
And you're going to try and kill her, yeah.

1257
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:03.960
Is that one?

1258
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:07.560
Although it's worth it, just for your mama joke.

1259
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.859
The bit where he drops the news and he's fucking loving it at that moment, you know?

1260
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.500
You're a mother and I, we're lovers.

1261
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.039
Oh, for God's sake. soap opera.

1262
01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:26.159
It's so funny And then she goes to Ops and she's fucking horrible to everybody.

1263
01:12:26.699 --> 01:12:29.939
Bashir and Abra are talking about the hollow switch.

1264
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.680
She's like, when are you people going to go back to work?

1265
01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:32.279
Come on.

1266
01:12:32.340 --> 01:12:34.140
For God's sake.

1267
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.500
That's great.

1268
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:37.319
She won't have any banter, no ops banter.

1269
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.479
She goes, I've watched enough Voyager.

1270
01:12:39.539 --> 01:12:41.279
I mean, any of that.

1271
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.260
For God's sake.

1272
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:45.779
All right.

1273
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.100
Okay.

1274
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:50.579
I have realised, is you and I definitely can talk about Star Trek, aren't we?

1275
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:51.060
Oh, yeah.

1276
01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:51.659
You definitely can.

1277
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:53.039
We have opinions.

1278
01:12:53.100 --> 01:12:55.439
But with detail as well.

1279
01:12:55.500 --> 01:13:09.420
I have been exploring a few other podcasts and it's more opinion and less fact, and they reach for facts all the time as well, which are, they don't come having sort of absorbed it.

1280
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:10.500
Yeah, yeah.

1281
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.359
Well, I think we know stuff.

1282
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:15.239
I mean, like we're embarrassing on.

1283
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:19.500
Uh, you know, original series, but fuck.

1284
01:13:19.500 --> 01:13:26.220
I, I, I, I, 4 episodes of this shit, like how, you know, that's where we have the most thumb though.

1285
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:27.899
When we're discovering stuff like this.

1286
01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:29.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1287
01:13:29.939 --> 01:13:30.779
Far out.

1288
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:31.500
So good.

1289
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:32.880
It's really good.

1290
01:13:33.659 --> 01:13:35.220
All right.

1291
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:36.479
So I do the thing?

1292
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:40.920
You haven't done a disinterested Hey, Joe for a while, you know?

1293
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:44.220
No, I've been, I've been, you know, taking drugs.

1294
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.279
No, I mean, paying careful attention.

1295
01:13:48.779 --> 01:13:51.539
And getting sleep anyway.

1296
01:13:51.659 --> 01:13:53.819
Oh, no, look at this.

1297
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:54.779
Oh sorry.

1298
01:13:54.840 --> 01:14:02.399
So I, I, yeah, I gotten a bit less than 7 hours, but I'll do better because I've been trying to get in really early and do stuff before.

1299
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:04.500
I'll put the lights on.

1300
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:05.340
You might as well go to bed.

1301
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:08.220
Yeah, I may as well go into work, you see, where I can turn the lights on.

1302
01:14:08.460 --> 01:14:09.899
Okay.

1303
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.119
Hey, Joe. Hi.