WEBVTT

NOTE
This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 21:51:39

1
00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.320
Hey, Joe. Hi.

2
00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:31.260
So, we are in series 2 of the original series.

3
00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:38.579
It's the final episode, episode 26, and it is a backdoor pilot

4
00:00:38.579 --> 00:00:42.240
isn't it, for another Gene Roddenbury show?

5
00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:44.700
And I have to say that this is pretty great.

6
00:00:45.179 --> 00:00:46.799
So fun.

7
00:00:46.859 --> 00:00:48.659
I've got a feeling.

8
00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:52.740
Had Assignment Earth made it to the schedules in the 60s and we

9
00:00:52.740 --> 00:00:56.159
were just talking off Mike about the exciting adventures of Gary 7

10
00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.700
popping about history with his glamorous secretary and his cat on

11
00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:01.920
his shoulder and his sonic screwdriver.

12
00:01:01.979 --> 00:01:03.299
I mean, yeah.

13
00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.459
I think that idea might take off, you know.

14
00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.159
Yeah, oh, no, I would have watched the shit out of it for sure.

15
00:01:08.219 --> 00:01:10.379
Well, you kind of did, didn't you?

16
00:01:10.379 --> 00:01:10.920
For many years.

17
00:01:10.980 --> 00:01:12.180
Yeah, that's true.

18
00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:13.439
That is true.

19
00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:17.280
There's something about 1968, I think.

20
00:01:17.340 --> 00:01:19.859
That is what makes it fun.

21
00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.459
And I'm on another podcast called Bondfinger.

22
00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:26.819
And when we ran out of Bond films to watch, we just started

23
00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:33.540
watching what I call 60s Spy-fi shit, which is exactly what this

24
00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:34.260
would have been.

25
00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:39.959
This is like the champions, I think, maybe more than anything else

26
00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:40.799
that I've seen.

27
00:01:40.859 --> 00:01:43.439
And the Champions has a bunch of people who get sort of special

28
00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:47.219
magical powers by going to Tibet or some nonsense and then they

29
00:01:47.219 --> 00:01:49.620
come back and solve sort of crimes and things.

30
00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:54.840
But spy-fi was the big thing in the 60s and it benefits from just

31
00:01:54.840 --> 00:02:00.060
everything being as stylish as hell and gadgets and computers and

32
00:02:00.060 --> 00:02:02.519
all of that sort of stuff and the space program.

33
00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.780
I bet you were so sad when Bombfinger left the 60s and went in the

34
00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:09.659
70s, you know, because the designs all changed after that, didn't

35
00:02:09.659 --> 00:02:09.780
they?

36
00:02:09.900 --> 00:02:14.280
Yeah, it lost that fabulous sort of primary colours, very exotic

37
00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.280
look, but all those 60s. wonderful 60s.

38
00:02:17.340 --> 00:02:20.460
You say spi-fi, you say the champions, but I do detect a bit of

39
00:02:20.460 --> 00:02:21.539
bewitched in here as well.

40
00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:22.319
Yes.

41
00:02:22.379 --> 00:02:22.800
Yeah.

42
00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:26.280
At one point, I sort of blurred my eyes and said, am I watching

43
00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:26.759
Bewitched?

44
00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:28.020
cat on that woman's shoulder.

45
00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.460
Yeah, yeah.

46
00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.180
Yeah.

47
00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:35.159
I'll look and like, I think, I think that this is probably pretty

48
00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:37.860
unpopular, and I did check.

49
00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:38.639
Why?

50
00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:39.599
Well, I don't know.

51
00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:43.919
But I think because it's not really a Star Trek episode and it is

52
00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.780
a backdoor pilot for something else.

53
00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.680
This is a time travel story with a message.

54
00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:50.699
This is the voyage home.

55
00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:51.960
This is Picard series 2.

56
00:02:52.139 --> 00:02:53.460
This is absolutely Star Trek.

57
00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:57.120
Well, in fact, it's absolutely Picard series 2, and that was the

58
00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:58.259
thing that struck me more than anything.

59
00:02:58.319 --> 00:02:59.819
It's almost embarrassing.

60
00:03:00.539 --> 00:03:02.580
And I had no idea.

61
00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.439
Look, so I knew.

62
00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:09.360
So in Picard series 2, we had all of Brady, who is a supervisor

63
00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.919
which is what Gary 7 is, and she has the same teleport effect, the

64
00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:18.240
same transporter effect, which is the sort of cloud of smoke in a

65
00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:18.659
box.

66
00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:23.879
And so it's very definitely actually referring to this, even

67
00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.139
though this is kind of marginal as a Star Trek episode.

68
00:03:28.379 --> 00:03:33.659
But it's the idea that something is said in the present day that

69
00:03:33.659 --> 00:03:38.939
it absolutely is expressing contemporary concerns.

70
00:03:39.900 --> 00:03:42.360
So we're at the height of the Cold War.

71
00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:48.659
It's 1968, and the space race may well be heading in the

72
00:03:48.659 --> 00:03:49.020
direction.

73
00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.599
It was certainly a thing that people were worried about the

74
00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:56.340
prospect of, which is the sort of spaceborne nuclear missiles that

75
00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:59.159
could just be directed to sort of crash onto a target at any

76
00:03:59.159 --> 00:03:59.580
time.

77
00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.840
And so this is kind of, it is 68, but it's also sort of 5 minutes

78
00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.479
into the future where that's a prospect.

79
00:04:06.539 --> 00:04:10.680
And so our guys don't go back in time to avert it.

80
00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:18.540
That's not what's happening, but Gary 7 is in the present day, he's

81
00:04:18.540 --> 00:04:19.920
you know, he hasn't travelled in time.

82
00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:22.079
He's just been brought up by aliens or something and we

83
00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:23.339
presumably...

84
00:04:23.339 --> 00:04:24.120
Unnamed planet.

85
00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.639
Which I believe they didn't name him Picard either.

86
00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:28.079
No, no, they wouldn't say that.

87
00:04:28.139 --> 00:04:28.500
I like that.

88
00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:29.579
I like the mystery of that.

89
00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:30.540
That's right.

90
00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.279
And, you know, for us, it was it was climate change, wasn't it?

91
00:04:35.339 --> 00:04:38.759
That was the problem, but there were also additional problems of

92
00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.120
racism and the rise of fascism in the United States and all of

93
00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:42.839
that sort of thing.

94
00:04:42.899 --> 00:04:45.779
Like all of those contemporary concerns were addressed, and they

95
00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:49.019
get to be addressed really well by just going, oh, fuck it, we'll

96
00:04:49.019 --> 00:04:50.040
set it in the present day.

97
00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.459
And say, this is really good, but the additional thing that's

98
00:04:53.459 --> 00:05:00.300
extra good is that Gary Seven's job is to stop the Americans from

99
00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:03.420
launching a spaceborne nuclear weapon.

100
00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:07.019
And so he has to stop the Americans from doing it and we're on his

101
00:05:07.019 --> 00:05:07.500
side.

102
00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.199
You know, Gary 7's a good guy.

103
00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:13.800
He's the protagonist of this new show and he's stopping America

104
00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.500
from escalating the Cold War.

105
00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:17.759
And I think that's amazing.

106
00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:19.680
Like, it's quite astounding, I think.

107
00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:22.079
Still relevant today, I think.

108
00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:27.600
And the joy of the randomiser is that we got the last episode of

109
00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.199
Picard's series 2. where fucking seen for scene.

110
00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.620
These 2 episodes play out in the same way. where they're in

111
00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:38.459
mission control, where this rocket is going up, where there's

112
00:05:38.459 --> 00:05:41.160
people trying to stop it happening, where we're running around a

113
00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:41.819
bit.

114
00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:43.980
I was going, Jesus, were they taking notes?

115
00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.680
Did they watch assignment Earth and go, right, we'll put that in.

116
00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.680
But that's what Kurtzman Drake does.

117
00:05:49.740 --> 00:05:54.120
I think it's incredibly irresponsible of the original series to

118
00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.759
rip off Picard series 2 like this, you know?

119
00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.680
It's, it is just typical of Kurtzman Trek, isn't it, to take

120
00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.699
something that's marginal or unloved or, you know, you would never

121
00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:11.579
have had a reference to Gary 7 and ISIS and stuff in 90s Trek

122
00:06:11.579 --> 00:06:14.699
because we were all kind of a little bit embarrassed about that

123
00:06:14.699 --> 00:06:17.579
sort of thread through original drag.

124
00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.779
People that brought you masks, the sequel, and them the sequel.

125
00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:28.079
Well, also spend an entire season doing the plot...

126
00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:29.399
Operation align, eh?

127
00:06:29.459 --> 00:06:30.240
I saw that, is it?

128
00:06:30.300 --> 00:06:31.139
Simon Earth.

129
00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:31.800
Yeah, yeah.

130
00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:38.100
But just as a pilot, I think the success of a pilot is, do you

131
00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:39.420
want to watch more?

132
00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:39.720
Yeah.

133
00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.300
I would watch the hell out of this.

134
00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:43.079
Yeah.

135
00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:43.439
You know?

136
00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:46.199
and I think Gary Severn comes into it and he's very stony-faced.

137
00:06:46.259 --> 00:06:48.480
And I said to you, you're sort of playing it a bit Nemoy, a bit

138
00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:48.959
icy.

139
00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:52.920
And then they throw in this ditsy secretary character.

140
00:06:52.980 --> 00:06:55.740
And so then suddenly you've got these 2 contrasts playing comedy

141
00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:56.339
together.

142
00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:57.959
The cat's in there as well.

143
00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:01.379
There's this crazy plot going on around them and I'm like, man

144
00:07:01.379 --> 00:07:02.459
give me more of this.

145
00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:03.240
I want more.

146
00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.079
Yeah.

147
00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:07.560
Yeah, it's a little bit, you know how in the Mandalorian, like the

148
00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.620
Mandalorians a very serious sort of proper series, character.

149
00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.540
Oh, what was character, all of that sort of?

150
00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.160
Yeah, yeah.

151
00:07:14.220 --> 00:07:15.480
But he's accompanied by a puppet.

152
00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:19.319
You know, he like undermines him and behaves like a toddler and

153
00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.120
does all sorts of fun things the whole time.

154
00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:27.060
And I think Gary 7, even before Terry Garr, for God's sake, because

155
00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:28.500
Roberta Lincoln comes along.

156
00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.600
He's being undermined by the cat and so the cat makes him

157
00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.220
impossible to take completely seriously.

158
00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.019
And I make our pun and say today, I think my favourite single

159
00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:44.100
scene that we've watched in the entire run of Untitled Star Trek

160
00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:47.519
project is Gary 7 climbing across that gantry.

161
00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:51.720
Clearly on his stomach, just like they're doing Batman, trying to

162
00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.600
sabotage this rocket from going up with the cat.

163
00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:57.420
Stop going.

164
00:07:57.420 --> 00:07:58.259
Miaow.

165
00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.740
I mean, it's just absurd, but I love absurd.

166
00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:02.399
Let me start.

167
00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:04.560
We discussed it, stuff. mad, isn't it?

168
00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:05.339
Yep.

169
00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:06.600
Oh, it's just great.

170
00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:11.220
Can I regale you with a quote, please, from Lisa Aunt Wallace, who

171
00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.500
I believe was hoping this would make it the series?

172
00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.620
And was probably a little disappointed though, it wasn't.

173
00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:21.060
He says, assignment Earth is interesting in a sense because I'd

174
00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:24.060
gone to Paramount and pitched a series of ideas for them, but they

175
00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:27.060
said that Gene Robinbury had come up with a very similar idea.

176
00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.899
So I saw Jean and we decided to pull the idea, which was about a

177
00:08:30.899 --> 00:08:34.980
man from tomorrow, who takes care of the present on earth.

178
00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.220
That was intended to be the pilot, although it was never made into

179
00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:38.700
a series.

180
00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.299
It was a very good pilot, and it's a shame because I think if they

181
00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:45.299
have done it as a series with just Gary 7, it would have been a

182
00:08:45.299 --> 00:08:46.379
very successful show.

183
00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.960
I believe Gene and I split the credit on that one.

184
00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:49.860
Right.

185
00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:53.039
So it was actually written as a script, minus Star Trek.

186
00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:54.360
Yeah, yeah.

187
00:08:54.419 --> 00:08:55.139
Yeah.

188
00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.159
Yeah.

189
00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:59.039
And like there are other back door pilots that we're kind of aware

190
00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.860
of and stuff and it always sort of seems slightly dodgy.

191
00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:07.080
It kind of betrays the show's status as just a TV program, you

192
00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.779
know, launching another TV program.

193
00:09:09.899 --> 00:09:13.799
And so, and and I think there are some things in the premise that

194
00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.460
it's kind of impossible to take seriously if you're a particular

195
00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:18.840
kind of Star Trek fan.

196
00:09:18.899 --> 00:09:21.120
So suddenly we can travel back in time.

197
00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:24.480
I like the fact that's just done in a line, you know, we don't

198
00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:27.480
have a complicated effect sequence with a load of buses or the

199
00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:28.500
cars coming out of us.

200
00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.360
It's just, no, we've gone back in time.

201
00:09:30.419 --> 00:09:32.519
We're here. going to do a bit of observation.

202
00:09:33.179 --> 00:09:34.559
Yeah.

203
00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:35.340
It's great.

204
00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.580
Yeah, so that's their mission this week, which is sort of very

205
00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:38.879
strange.

206
00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:42.960
It's like that, um, that in TAS, where we had that ejector button

207
00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.360
you know, it's just never mentioned again, but you've got you've

208
00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.519
got the console that can take you back in time.

209
00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:48.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

210
00:09:48.779 --> 00:09:54.179
You know, I actually think that that ejection panel thing, if they

211
00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:56.759
have those on Voyager, that might explain what happened to the

212
00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.500
Borg baby from last week.

213
00:09:58.559 --> 00:09:59.340
Terrible.

214
00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.399
I think that might be what happened to that cheese.

215
00:10:02.460 --> 00:10:05.220
Remember that cheese that Nilix brought on the ship that nearly

216
00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:05.580
brought it down?

217
00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.620
Ah, yeah.

218
00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:08.879
Oh, no, it goes funny.

219
00:10:08.940 --> 00:10:10.139
Get the cheese to Sick Bay.

220
00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:10.799
That's the line.

221
00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:16.139
Why do we watch this show?

222
00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.840
baffling sometimes, but not when we're watching this.

223
00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:22.500
My last point to you is this, though, is this is the end of season

224
00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:23.039
two.

225
00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.279
Yeah, and this is a delightful adventure that we're on here.

226
00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:30.419
Somehow we go from this to Spock's brain at the beginning of

227
00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:30.960
Series 3.

228
00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.860
And I don't think we will ever see such a jarring shifting quality

229
00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:37.139
between 2 seasons of Star Trek.

230
00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.159
And we can only put the blame on Fred Freiburger, really, can't

231
00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:41.340
we?

232
00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:43.080
Yeah, yeah, we can.

233
00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:44.879
Roddenbury's still in charge at this point.

234
00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:47.759
So he's keeping it thumb. let's have some fun.

235
00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:49.259
I think we should.

236
00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:49.799
All right.

237
00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:50.820
I'll count it in.

238
00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:57.299
Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

239
00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:01.799
I did notice this episode was 50 minutes long.

240
00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:04.379
Is that the standard length of an original series episode?

241
00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:05.100
Oh, okay.

242
00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:06.419
Well, I think it was 45.

243
00:11:06.659 --> 00:11:09.480
Now No, no, no.

244
00:11:09.539 --> 00:11:15.960
So, I, I watched this originally with the, like the original

245
00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.360
version without the new special effects, and I'm currently

246
00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.259
watching the version with the new special effects, and the most

247
00:11:22.259 --> 00:11:28.200
striking difference is that the Enterprise is orbiting Earth, but

248
00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.240
no one on the production team has ever seen proper photographs of

249
00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.580
what the Earth looks like from space.

250
00:11:35.700 --> 00:11:40.919
And it will only be a few months from now that they will see.

251
00:11:40.980 --> 00:11:41.639
What did it look like, though?

252
00:11:42.899 --> 00:11:45.600
So there's no cloud cover.

253
00:11:45.659 --> 00:11:53.460
And the landmasses are very brown, like light brown rather than

254
00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:58.440
sort of green and darker, you know, like it's just clearly written

255
00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.580
by someone who's never seen the earth from space, but it's so just

256
00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:04.080
so few months before.

257
00:12:04.139 --> 00:12:06.480
It's almost like a valuable document. space, isn't it?

258
00:12:06.539 --> 00:12:08.759
of what we thought was of there.

259
00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:10.259
Before it happened.

260
00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:11.820
It's almost a shame to change it.

261
00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.200
Isn't it wild?

262
00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:14.940
It does a little bit.

263
00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.240
I mean, the other versions still exist. so that's fine.

264
00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.519
And you can see why they would change it.

265
00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:24.059
We do have a lot of episodes of Star Trek, don't we?

266
00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.580
Where someone eccentric beams onto the ship like this.

267
00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.120
But this might be one of my favourites.

268
00:12:30.179 --> 00:12:33.299
Yeah, and the fact that the cat goes for Scotty.

269
00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:40.620
And I'm going to say, you know, because you know Mark isn't a

270
00:12:40.620 --> 00:12:43.679
massive fan of Star Trek, but the 2nd he heard of miaow, he was in

271
00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.720
that room watching this episode with me.

272
00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:49.559
What did he say about?

273
00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:52.080
He only watched it for a minute and went, oh, this is terrible.

274
00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:53.039
Walks out again.

275
00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.759
Look at the cat.

276
00:12:57.539 --> 00:13:03.600
Look at Shatner curls his lip in reaction to it as well.

277
00:13:03.659 --> 00:13:05.399
Who do you think they knew?

278
00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:08.100
Do you think the actors knew, you know, Shatner or that lot, that

279
00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:11.340
this was a backdoor pilot, or this was just the latest Star Trek?

280
00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:12.240
Surely.

281
00:13:12.299 --> 00:13:14.100
Because the action is...

282
00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:15.659
It desperate work as a Star Trek.

283
00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.519
The 2 sets of people, isn't it?

284
00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:18.120
Yeah.

285
00:13:18.179 --> 00:13:19.320
Yeah.

286
00:13:19.379 --> 00:13:26.279
But in fact, the Enterprise crew do really take a backseat, like

287
00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.620
they're in it a bit, um, but it is mostly about Gary 7.

288
00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.919
And basically all they have to do is decide whether to prevent

289
00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.960
Gary 7 from saving the day or not.

290
00:13:37.019 --> 00:13:39.299
And it is he saves the...

291
00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.139
I noticed in the last or 3rd, Shatner and Nemoy were just being

292
00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.440
held at gunpoint for long stretches in a corner of a room.

293
00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.860
Chapters going, excuse me. mosh up, right?

294
00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.360
He steps forward every now and again to get the light, but they

295
00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:55.559
just keep pointing a gun at him.

296
00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:57.059
Listen.

297
00:13:57.179 --> 00:13:58.679
Oh my.

298
00:13:58.740 --> 00:14:00.720
You know, I always skip the music.

299
00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.460
Whenever I do TOS.

300
00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.200
I don't really like the original series music.

301
00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:05.879
I know it's iconic.

302
00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.379
I think it's, yeah, it is iconic and cheesy, so I do listen to it

303
00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:11.279
I have to say.

304
00:14:11.340 --> 00:14:18.539
So, Mr. 7 or Gary 7, I think, oh, there's Art Wallace's credit.

305
00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.580
I think he's playing it a bit like Patrick McGuin, and it does

306
00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:29.100
seem like a very period performance. like he's Nimo, yes, but he's

307
00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:31.080
just very, very serious.

308
00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:34.679
And I think there's only one point in the episode where he's

309
00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.240
amused, maybe by the computer, I can't remember, but he's nearly

310
00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:40.440
unreadable, isn't he?

311
00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.440
And he's very kind of on very...

312
00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:45.899
But the fact that he is so stony faced is what makes those comedy

313
00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:47.279
sequences with the woman.

314
00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:49.679
So funny, you know, you need the straight man there.

315
00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:52.500
And he fulfils that brilliantly.

316
00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.000
This is definitely post-prisoner, isn't it?

317
00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:54.360
absolutely.

318
00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:55.799
Like McGoon's a name at this point.

319
00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.340
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

320
00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:01.860
Well, I think so, yes.

321
00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:03.779
Yeah, I love I love this as well.

322
00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.899
The fact that he's a modern day guy. just happens to have all

323
00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:09.120
these powers and they skip over that with a line.

324
00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:10.620
The economy of this script.

325
00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:11.879
We've gone back in time.

326
00:15:11.940 --> 00:15:14.820
There's this fella, we've spent a bit of time on another planet

327
00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:16.500
and he's got all these powers now.

328
00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:17.399
That's it.

329
00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:17.639
Right.

330
00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:18.539
Let's go and have some fun.

331
00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.139
No, but imagine if this was the next generation.

332
00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.960
I mean, we'd be going through the mechanics of going back in

333
00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:25.559
time.

334
00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:27.899
We'd probably be exploring the world that he came from.

335
00:15:31.019 --> 00:15:33.299
Yeah, so what's his story?

336
00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.039
Is he brought up as a child?

337
00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.240
He's abducted as a child or something like that?

338
00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:42.299
He says he's a man from the 20th century, but we don't get a full

339
00:15:42.299 --> 00:15:44.759
kind of backstory.

340
00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:47.580
And so that kind of works, I guess.

341
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:51.120
The inscrutability that makes him so interesting though, isn't

342
00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:51.299
it?

343
00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.440
Yeah, yeah.

344
00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:53.039
Yeah.

345
00:15:53.100 --> 00:15:55.799
I think it's sort of what we felt about Spock in series one, before

346
00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.980
we knew, like, all the background, detail, it made it, that's what

347
00:15:58.980 --> 00:16:01.799
drew people to that character, that he was alien and interesting.

348
00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:02.460
Yeah.

349
00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:03.960
Yeah.

350
00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.379
Oh, and it's, you know what, Nathan, there's a wonderful chance

351
00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:10.559
for Leonard Nimo is put on an array of hats in this episode as

352
00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:10.799
well.

353
00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:13.320
Oh, so good.

354
00:16:13.379 --> 00:16:14.879
So great.

355
00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:16.500
It is so terrific.

356
00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:18.600
The costume department had a field day on.

357
00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:21.000
Normally, you know, we're doing the gap costumes, you know, these

358
00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.299
awful primary colours, but they're doing 60s pop fashions now.

359
00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.340
Great.

360
00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:27.360
Yeah.

361
00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:30.179
You know, this is directed by Mark Daniels.

362
00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:31.620
He did spot sprain after this.

363
00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.740
Mm, yeah, I noticed.

364
00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.500
And then he did Spock's brain and we said, I think he never worked

365
00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:38.279
on the show again.

366
00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:39.720
He was so horrified.

367
00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:44.159
But I mean, this would have been really fun to do because, you

368
00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:49.019
know, rather than just trying to create a planet in a tiny room.

369
00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.679
They just go outside where there's a whole planet and then they

370
00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:53.820
can just shoot that.

371
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.100
And that really opens...

372
00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.740
I was thinking of you the whole time they were outside, you know?

373
00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:02.100
And it looks so stylish.

374
00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:04.559
It's because it's film work as well.

375
00:17:04.619 --> 00:17:05.940
So it just adds a sheen.

376
00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.480
But there's a mass space that they put on the screen.

377
00:17:09.539 --> 00:17:12.180
Yeah, it just feels like there's some money here.

378
00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:13.619
And it's the end of the season as well.

379
00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:14.880
You think they would have run out at this point.

380
00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:20.759
Yeah, but also I think maybe like maybe there's some assignment

381
00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.240
earth, money sloshing around, but also going outside doesn't

382
00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:25.740
necessarily have to be that expensive.

383
00:17:25.859 --> 00:17:30.599
It does seem to be a thing that 90 Star Trek avoids, but, you know

384
00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.039
you do get it a bit in, in, uh, in original track.

385
00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:38.940
And just going outside where there are people actually is not that

386
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:39.599
expensive.

387
00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:42.180
I think what happened on shows like Design, they said every time

388
00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:43.079
they went on location.

389
00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:46.019
It was arduous because the sun was beaten down.

390
00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.859
The latex was dripping. all covered in latex.

391
00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.740
Everyone's shoes was full of sweat, you know?

392
00:17:52.859 --> 00:17:55.019
And it made a pretty miserable voice.

393
00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.720
Can we just talk about the MVP of this episode again, please?

394
00:17:57.779 --> 00:18:01.500
The cat, the Spock is currently stroking or was a 2nd ago.

395
00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:04.200
He's got, oh, he likes it.

396
00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:05.279
It's like a triple.

397
00:18:05.339 --> 00:18:06.480
It's like him, isn't it?

398
00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:09.359
It's completely disinteresting, a bit emotionless, you know?

399
00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:11.279
Scrutinising everybody.

400
00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:17.339
It's got these weird sort of quirky purrs and miaow that it does

401
00:18:17.339 --> 00:18:17.700
as well.

402
00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:19.259
Oh, it's wonderful.

403
00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.019
And did you notice when it jumped on that fella on the transporter

404
00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:22.380
pad?

405
00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.480
That wasn't a toy cat they threw at him.

406
00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:26.160
The cat literally left on.

407
00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:27.000
That was him.

408
00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:31.380
I reckon they threw the cap from off camera, some stage.

409
00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.240
It's very comfortable in Nemoy's hands right now.

410
00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:33.839
Yeah.

411
00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:35.279
Yeah.

412
00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:38.400
So this is interesting too.

413
00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:42.839
There'll be an assassination today, but it's the launching of an

414
00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:48.000
orbital nuclear warhead platform by the United States, and it's, so

415
00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.480
we're not stopping the other powers who are Russia, but we're not

416
00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:52.140
going to mention them.

417
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.259
Uh, yeah, yeah.

418
00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.359
And so this is the thing that...

419
00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:58.680
It's almost telling the kids, do you know what?

420
00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:00.299
There's a lot going on out there, all right?

421
00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.819
Stop watching the TV and pay attention.

422
00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:04.380
Yeah, but I'm...

423
00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:09.420
But it is, it's doing what Picard does, you know, Picard series 2

424
00:19:09.420 --> 00:19:12.539
is really, really contemporary and it's concerns.

425
00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:18.180
And it's, but I think it's space emission doesn't really land

426
00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:19.019
huh?

427
00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:23.220
Because it's, you know, they find a chemical on Europa that's used

428
00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:26.400
to find a technological solution for, you know, like a stupid

429
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.079
space.

430
00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:28.920
Yeah.

431
00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:29.819
This.

432
00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.259
Well, you know, there weren't orbiting nuclear plants, but they

433
00:19:34.259 --> 00:19:36.119
were certainly a thing that was being discussed.

434
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.440
Do you know what I mean?

435
00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:39.299
Like people were speculating about them.

436
00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.420
So, yes, look, there it is.

437
00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.319
The Sonic.

438
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:45.119
The consequence is feasible, is that what you're saying?

439
00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.180
Yeah, yeah.

440
00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:48.839
Yeah.

441
00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:53.220
And, you know, like the Cold War was dangerous and terrifying in

442
00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:54.779
all sorts of ways, you know.

443
00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:58.200
God, that guy's hideous, isn't he?

444
00:19:58.259 --> 00:19:59.460
The blonde...

445
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.980
She has a shame, you know, because very often the red shirts were

446
00:20:01.980 --> 00:20:02.400
very cute.

447
00:20:02.460 --> 00:20:04.200
They're often pretty.

448
00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:08.519
But again, I think that that's kind of a fun thing, that extra

449
00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:13.980
fucked it up, but the idea that he has this special pan, but it

450
00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:15.539
doesn't, he doesn't shoot people or anything.

451
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.420
He just makes them slightly loopy, like they're a little bit drug

452
00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:21.900
fucked and kind of happy and, you know, the policeman that he

453
00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:26.039
overpowers later, who has this sort of goofy grin on his face.

454
00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.039
We just say the elephant. basically the doctor, isn't he?

455
00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:30.180
Doctor Who.

456
00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.319
Well, yeah.

457
00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:38.819
Well, except though, that he's not funny and the, you know, like

458
00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:40.380
not deliberately funny.

459
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.140
I thought it was very funny when he was climbing up that gantry.

460
00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.759
It was a circumstance.

462
00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.140
It was making me laugh more than anything.

463
00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.180
Yeah, look at those guys.

464
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:52.019
Look at those guys.

465
00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.940
It's like the massive drug party they had at the end of...

466
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.640
The door opens and the cat walks through and then the door shuts.

467
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.140
They know this is absurd, right?

468
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.759
Yeah, no, yeah, of course they do. you know, I'm not going to

469
00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.480
invite too many criticisms of Picard series too, because I think

470
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.720
obviously the characterisation is more layered and it's more

471
00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.660
spectacularly executed and things like that. more smart.

472
00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:24.720
I think that this probably works better as a single episode than

473
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:26.940
protracted across an entire season.

474
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:31.079
Even though they did manage to drag some good things out of that.

475
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:35.039
I think I think a lot of people were a bit tired in those sort of

476
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.200
mid to late episodes of series 2 when they were going.

477
00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:39.539
Okay, let's move along now. you know, like we know how this is

478
00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:39.900
going to end.

479
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:46.259
So I think that this office is giving you definite bewitched vibes

480
00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:47.579
and maybe...

481
00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:49.799
The door just opened on its own.

482
00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:53.700
And then that's it. and there's the cloud.

483
00:21:54.539 --> 00:22:01.019
So what if the card series 2 is really assignment Earth and it's

484
00:22:01.019 --> 00:22:05.579
finally been greenlit as a series after all this?

485
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:07.559
And all up Brady is the sort of thing they would do.

486
00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:09.660
Yeah.

487
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:10.619
I mean, look at that.

488
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:11.940
Did you see that drink's covering it?

489
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.980
Just slide shut to hide the portal.

490
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.880
I know, I know, with those hilarious glasses on it as well.

491
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:23.099
And I've, let's shout out to the 60s when people had drinks

492
00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:25.319
cabinets in their offices.

493
00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:29.279
Somehow they just magically just zoomed out of halls and things

494
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:30.059
like this, you know?

495
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.119
God, I wish I was alive in the 60s.

496
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.799
No, but think about those secret panels and stuff, even in Doctor

497
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.980
Who, I'm thinking the invasion, you know, the door in Tobias

498
00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:45.359
Vaughan's office that also slides open to reveal a space thing.

499
00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:46.619
Do you know what I mean?

500
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.799
Like this is the era for that, I think, the 60s.

501
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:51.119
Okay, just slit aside.

502
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:53.279
Look at the bookcase opens as well.

503
00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:57.000
That is a massive computer and even better.

504
00:22:57.059 --> 00:23:00.000
It's got a really snippy woman's voice, isn't it?

505
00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:03.420
It's a clip, sarky computer.

506
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.759
Well, and he's got the shits with it, doesn't he, for being a sort

507
00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.460
of arrogant, you know, something computer.

508
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:12.779
I can't even remember what he calls it.

509
00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.240
He does look like a lead as well, doesn't he?

510
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.480
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

511
00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:21.119
Like, I don't think he's massively good looking or anything like

512
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.319
that, but he's interesting.

513
00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:23.099
It's quite smart, though.

514
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.000
He's got sorry either.

515
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:25.019
He's got it.

516
00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:26.519
Whatever it is, he's got it.

517
00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:30.299
Yeah, he does have something and the outfit, I mean, look at the

518
00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:30.660
suit.

519
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.480
Look at the colours, he just looks magnificent.

520
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:37.440
I love the sort of coloured lights for the computers as well.

521
00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:38.640
Just all of it.

522
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.099
Everything about this room. is amazing.

523
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.579
In fact, I think not who did a bit of nicking, you know, because

524
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:48.539
you remember Shada in season 17 when Professor Kronosis study

525
00:23:48.539 --> 00:23:49.980
becomes a spaceship.

526
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.200
That's all very similar to this, isn't it?

527
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.980
And in fact, do you remember an old man Bashir, where, I mean

528
00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:59.759
after in James Bond, But where, which is...

529
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:00.900
A woman presses the bar.

530
00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:04.920
The wall slides aside and then it's massive array of weapons just

531
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.299
appears out of no way.

532
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.039
But again, it is 60 Spotify, isn't it?

533
00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:13.140
It's all that sort of. yeah.

534
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

535
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.680
And it is just visually sumptuous.

536
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:18.059
That's what I love.

537
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:18.420
Yeah.

538
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.119
Because, you know, like we said about Scott Spray.

539
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:23.099
There was just no set dressing at all.

540
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.400
It was it was empty rooms with coloured gerols on the walls, you

541
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:26.640
know?

542
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:32.039
Whereas this has got just an all they have to do is like period

544
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.940
furniture, like the stuff that they would have been like create a

545
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:38.819
contemporary office turns out in 1968.

546
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:39.839
That looks stylish.

547
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.039
I do all this wacky stuff.

548
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:43.319
This is why they go to, Alice in Wonderland, because you can do

549
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.359
the tea party, you know, and go to town with it.

550
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:49.500
You're not doing like, you know, just the studio, the terrible

551
00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:52.799
studio with the rocks in the background and then the lit sky.

552
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.900
Yeah.

553
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.440
Yeah.

554
00:24:55.500 --> 00:25:02.039
So in, in, um, series 2 of Strange New Worlds, there's an episode

555
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.759
where Captain Pike goes to visit someone on another planet and we

556
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.660
actually get to go outside and realise the planet like that.

557
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.319
And that's a thing that strangely worlds has made a point of

558
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:13.559
doing.

559
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:18.059
It says it can realise planets by going on location, and it can

560
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:20.700
afford to do that, and that's an expensive thing to do.

561
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.119
But you can't do that in the 60s or the 90s.

562
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.880
You can very rarely go to a place unless it's, you know, the

563
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.319
wilderness or something.

564
00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:30.900
It can't be...

565
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.299
That episode with Boheemler in it.

566
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.019
What was that called?

567
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.859
You know, you know where the sort of the gateway was on that

568
00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:38.220
planet?

569
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.299
That had a look at one of those old studios sets about it.

570
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.180
The light in was just, and I was like, they're doing it.

571
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.460
It's like one of those sheep out shit.

572
00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:48.000
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.559
It's city on the edge of forever.

574
00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.140
He's left the city on the edge of forever.

575
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.960
Only, it's a time portal created by New weekend.

576
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:57.960
We're not doing it... doing it lovingly, you know?

577
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.359
Yeah, yeah exactly right.

578
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.920
There we go.

579
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.660
Gary 7 on his sofa with the cat.

580
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:05.940
Has he got a dime Monte collar?

581
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.059
Shit, yeah, I think she does.

582
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.799
Now look at this.

583
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:18.359
These women there, Hamp, we've got a diverse group of extras.

584
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.839
Look how handsome Shatner looks in that outfit.

585
00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:24.240
And it's the 1st of all.

586
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.680
Lemoy's amazing bubble hat.

587
00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:26.640
Yeah, whatever that is.

588
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.380
Yeah, yeah.

589
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.299
Well, when do they do that joke?

590
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.900
The joke, like, there is another joke where do we go back into?

591
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.319
no, no.

592
00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:35.819
He takes the hat off later on, doesn't he?

593
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.559
She turns around and his ears are on the show.

594
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.599
I really thought she was.

595
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.339
Yeah, but I mean, he's worn a hat before.

596
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:41.700
Yeah.

597
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:43.799
Well, in the boy's home.

598
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:45.779
The belt around his ears, doesn't he?

599
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.460
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.380
But in in track.

601
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.000
So, so he's got a thing that will, uh, that's his equivalent of

602
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:54.539
the psyche.

603
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:56.160
A slightly psychic.

604
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.240
Homicide squad.

605
00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.019
He works for everyone.

606
00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:58.619
Yep.

607
00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:03.779
And all you need is a piece of paper to prove that you're one of

608
00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:05.880
those people. to think, you know, Doctor Who was paying

609
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:06.119
attention.

610
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.220
Yeah.

611
00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:12.539
Oh, this woman, this woman's costume, honestly.

612
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.000
It's like bright orange and pink.

613
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:16.619
You'd only have it in the 60s.

614
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:21.900
So this is Terry Garr who gets nominated for best supporting

615
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:23.460
actress in Tootsie.

616
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:29.339
So she is a thing, but not at this point, I think.

617
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.799
Like, and she was very familiar.

618
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:34.500
Like, I didn't recognise her immediately, but I just knew that I'd

619
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:35.819
seen her in something.

620
00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:37.619
And I think she's...

621
00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:38.519
Yeah, I saw that.

622
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.759
A review on Jammers, where someone was saying, you know, she was a

623
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.779
useless airhead.

624
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.420
That's kind of the idea, isn't it?

625
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:46.799
It's supposed to be fun.

626
00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:47.940
Do you know what?

627
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:58.380
She saves the day because she believes Gary and she helps convince

628
00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.900
Spock and Kirk to let him do the thing.

629
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.420
You know, like she gets to save the day.

630
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.859
She learns to trust him and and they get to work together and it's

631
00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:12.420
like a weird, like this sort of weird office where the computer

632
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:16.140
like the typewriter does dictation and stuff.

633
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.420
Like, I just...

634
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:21.240
I really want to watch the rest of the show. series one.

635
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.819
And we'll have a bit of moonlighting, will they, won't they, going

636
00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:24.539
on with this pair?

637
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:27.180
Yeah, yeah, maybe.

638
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.200
But maybe she's just sort of sweet and kind of funny and stuff and

639
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.539
that doesn't go there because maybe that's not the sort of thing

640
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.680
that this show would ever have been.

641
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:36.059
Have we gone to series, you know.

642
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.700
I'll be desperate to know what that filing cabinet's going to turn

643
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:40.200
into and that picture on the wall.

644
00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:43.019
I just want everything in this room to have another function.

645
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.259
Everything slides out and then another thing's behind it.

646
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:47.579
The magic typewriter.

647
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.140
Just dictates.

648
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.059
That's it.

649
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:55.440
It's dragon.

650
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.279
I like the fact as well.

651
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.259
I really explore it and she just keeps going.

652
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.740
It's still doing it. still doing what I'm saying. incredible.

653
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.279
Stop it, stop it.

654
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:11.940
Even doing punctuation, capitals, everything.

655
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.740
But you just think, like, your regular, your average Star Trek

656
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:18.359
viewer just doesn't like this sort of thing.

657
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.920
I just, it's so fun.

658
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.240
What's the objection?

659
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.480
Oh, I don't know.

660
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:28.440
I think it's because, I think it's because for some people, Star

661
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.440
Trek is a serious thing and because everything that happens on

662
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.680
Star Trek happens really happens in a future that we're

663
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.339
imagining.

664
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:40.799
And so they fear making the universe ridiculous.

665
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.920
And we, like we, Doctor Who fans do that as well.

666
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:47.519
They're frightened that the world that the show takes place in

667
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.559
becomes preposterous.

668
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:52.859
But the thing is that it just does...

669
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:55.799
I mean, if they really truly die against those universes, When

670
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.400
they stumble across episodes like masks and Genesis, they must

671
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.359
have a lot of trouble.

672
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:05.039
Yeah, yeah, where things just happen basically for the logical

673
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.359
reasons. reality.

674
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.779
Yeah, it's very good.

675
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.799
Yeah.

676
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:16.500
Yeah, and then, you know, Kurtzman, Star Trek comes along and it's

677
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:20.220
in some kind of conversation with previous Star Trek.

678
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.940
Do you know what I mean?

679
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:25.740
Like it's it's taking what's best of them and reefing on it, taking

680
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:30.000
what's overlooked. to highlight again. what's been, like, lower

681
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.559
decks does that so brilliantly.

682
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:33.240
But celebrate at the same time.

683
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:35.220
And that, that's a fine line.

684
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.519
They do it really well Yeah, they really do.

685
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.700
It's sort of like the Galaxy Quest effect, isn't it?

686
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.480
You know, of being a pastiche, taking a piss and saying this is

687
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.200
great anyway.

688
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.420
Yeah, that's right.

689
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.019
So these two, like, I think they are.

690
00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:54.420
Look at her.

691
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.099
You know what's sad, though?

692
00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:57.119
Are they?

693
00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:58.019
You know what's really sad?

694
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.240
Isn't this pilot series for Simon Earth?

695
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:05.339
We've got a better... representation, a female representation than

696
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.660
we ever do in Star Trek.

697
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

698
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:08.579
You know?

699
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.619
She's got she's got agency.

700
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.700
She's got a personality.

701
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.019
Yeah, and she's a colleague.

702
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.599
Like Ahura's literally just pushing buttons in this episode.

703
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.140
Yeah, she's barely in this one, isn't she?

704
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:20.819
I think she gets one line possibly.

705
00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:23.220
I was going to say something really awful then.

706
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.160
I was going to say, is it because she's white, but I don't think

707
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:26.700
that's the case.

708
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.680
Well, no, I don't know.

709
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:33.960
I mean, it's still like there's who's the main white woman on

710
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.099
original?

711
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.019
It's Yeoman Rand?

712
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.240
Yeah, or Christine Chapel.

713
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.019
Oh, yeah, who's just a weeping, you know, lovesick puppy.

714
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.519
They're very minor characters, you know, so there isn't a female

715
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.000
lead.

716
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:49.980
I'm going to assume that...

717
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:51.420
What's her name, Miss?

718
00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.500
the sectary?

719
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.039
What was her name?

720
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:54.539
Miss Lincoln.

721
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.859
I'm assuming she's got like great martial arts skills, a bit like

722
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:01.500
the Avengers. that she's got a...

723
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.640
I hope she doesn't.

724
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:06.660
I heard she's kind of like a bit hapless and kind of she's found

725
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:10.440
herself in this thing, but she's plucky and is willing to try.

726
00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:12.960
And so she does it by being And what she does is in comedy

727
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:13.619
sequences.

728
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.019
She just picks up a vase and smashes it out of someone's head or

729
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:17.700
something like that, you know, a change right.

730
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.140
Yeah, she's bringing in the table.

731
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:22.319
She's over Gary's head, by mistake, you know, like...

732
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.119
He's being held up by the latest aliens.

733
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:27.119
She brings in the tea and then just smashes the tray over the reds

734
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:27.359
you know?

735
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:27.960
Yeah, yeah.

736
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:29.400
This stuff writes itself.

737
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.059
Yeah, I think I think she would be she would be a really funny

738
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:33.720
foil.

739
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.299
Imagine the periods of history they could visit as well.

740
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:37.619
I mean, it's ripe.

741
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:40.920
I don't really want them to do that.

742
00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:44.880
I want them to stay here in the 60s and thwart the Americans from

743
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.299
for what the American military industrial complex.

744
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.339
Every single episode in the 60s, so you'll have a bit of glamour

745
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.299
every week.

746
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:56.579
Yeah.

747
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.960
Paul Shatner and Nemo.

748
00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:58.619
Like a bit lost.

749
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.900
Oh, are we still... are we still in this?

750
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:07.079
Let's remember this could potentially have been the last episode

751
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.619
of TOS, because the 3rd series was on a given, was it?

752
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.539
No.

753
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:13.140
Yeah.

754
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:15.779
Yeah, it's a funny way to think about it.

755
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.960
I was watching it, thinking, wow, and Scotty gets 2 lines and

756
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.220
Chekhov gets 2 lines and no one's really celebrated in this last

757
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.059
episode.

758
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:32.400
No, although Jimmy Dewan does get a bigger role than just Scotty

759
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:32.880
in this episode.

760
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.220
Oh, does he?

761
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:35.880
What does he do?

762
00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.279
He's not that he's not that female computer voice, is he?

763
00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:39.960
No, yeah, that's right.

764
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:44.039
No, he's the mission control voice in the scenes towards the end

765
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:44.579
of a thing.

766
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.160
He's the guy doing all the announcements on mission control

767
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.119
because he is a consummate voice.

768
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:53.339
Yeah, I still remember the Scottish accent.

769
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.940
It's just nature of his voice in Bem when he played every alien

770
00:33:56.940 --> 00:33:57.480
going.

771
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.779
He played Arax and Bam himself.

772
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.839
Hello, Captain K. Oh, it was amazing.

773
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:08.639
Wow, she's really going for it.

774
00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:09.719
Man.

775
00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:13.320
I mean, that's way cooler than transporter beams, just walking

776
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.820
through that misty portal.

777
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.360
Yeah.

778
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.920
And they recreate it. what we did, remember?

780
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.139
What was that episode called in the Western place with all the

781
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:23.219
signs hanging up from nowhere?

782
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.780
Do you remember?

783
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.360
Yeah, they walked through a misty portal, didn't they?

784
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:29.519
Remember that that worked last season.

785
00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:30.539
We can have a bit of that.

786
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.460
Yeah.

787
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.079
Oh I loved all of this.

788
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:35.579
I thought those guys were...

789
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:40.800
And there's a long shot, a 2nd of this setting with the rocket

790
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.579
matted in.

791
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.360
And you know, it's a bit awkward because you can see the line, but

792
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.380
the scale of it is great.

793
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.980
Oh, yeah, no, I think that works really well and that's an

794
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:51.659
original thing, isn't it, clearly, because it's just a

795
00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:52.739
photograph.

796
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.300
I thought the way they used the stock.

797
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.400
And that's a photograph. was really well done as well.

798
00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:59.280
Obviously, you can tell when they're in mission control and when

799
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.500
they're in the corner of a studio with one console.

800
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.059
Yeah, yeah.

801
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:03.900
But it was very well done.

802
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:08.400
But they go outside and they have establishing shots and stuff and

803
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.260
they can use normal TV tricks to kind of sell the world much more

804
00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.800
easily and more cheaply than they can in a normal Star Trek.

805
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.800
I don't think that Nemo and Chapman I should ever take those coats

806
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:19.980
off.

807
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.639
You know, they should never get back into their uniforms again.

808
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.820
Shatner particularly looks great.

809
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.239
Shannon looks so good in that, in that...

810
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.460
Spock's being very handsy with Miss Lincoln, isn't he?

811
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.800
Yeah, so that was the one thing about it that I didn't like very

812
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.880
much.

813
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.420
I...

814
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.280
Oh, this useless woman, she's going to give us away.

815
00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:42.420
I'm going to cover her mouth.

816
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:48.900
Well, it's 1968 and look at what Emma Peel is doing at the same

817
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:50.940
time. try to get me hot, honestly.

818
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.239
She's so good.

819
00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:55.500
I love this.

820
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.099
I love they accidentally beam the policeman up.

821
00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.420
And then they just be in the back.

822
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:05.940
So great.

823
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.440
You don't even mind me, doesn't it?

824
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.159
Sequence in the 2 TV movie where that policeman on a bike goes

825
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.559
straight into the TARDIS and then comes straight out again.

826
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.000
And then go straight out again.

827
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.460
And look, there they are back in the office.

828
00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:22.079
I should have just gone, strike me pink.

829
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.119
Yeah, look at all this stuff.

830
00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:31.500
And it works as well because the stock shots, they're doing the

831
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:33.239
announcements over it as well.

832
00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:35.579
And it's marrying with the studio shots.

833
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.360
So it's it's adequate enough for what they're trying to tell.

834
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.280
Yeah, I mean, this is a small set.

835
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.579
It's all they're ever going to be able to afford and I guess we

836
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:47.820
imagine we're looking out through that window over mission

837
00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:48.239
control.

838
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:50.460
So I buy that.

839
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.079
Tells the story.

840
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

841
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:54.900
Yeah.

842
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:58.260
Oh, why is there always a sassy guard?

843
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.039
Uh, this guy.

844
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:06.119
But again, so he's just going to use his special Sonic screwdriver

845
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.719
too.

846
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.639
He's literally psychic paper, isn't he?

847
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:09.239
Let me in.

848
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:10.500
It's my ID.

849
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

850
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.019
He got his psyche paper.

851
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:19.019
And I'm getting a good look here of what Doctor Who would look

852
00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:20.639
like on film, you know, and I'm loving it.

853
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.300
I mean, you know, the doctor's a little bit more ramshackle and a

855
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:29.699
little bit less authoritative.

856
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.780
John Pertwee?

857
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.860
Maybe it's a pertwee.

858
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.599
Yeah, maybe it's per twee.

859
00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:34.980
That pen.

860
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:36.780
The security guy.

861
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.639
She distracts him.

862
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.500
He gets shot by the happiness gun.

863
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.840
And now he's doing some acting.

864
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.559
Look at him.

865
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:44.280
He's suddenly happy.

866
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:45.420
I could be doing it.

867
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.219
Stop making these parallels.

868
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.099
But I think there was a happiness gun in underworld in doctor as

869
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.280
well.

870
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:53.460
I think they might. everyone's looking at this episode.

871
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:59.460
But I think what's really funny. is that he's super serious.

872
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.539
And when he's doing his things, he just leaves trails have sort of

873
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:05.340
blisted out guards and stuff.

874
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.559
That's what we want, isn't it?

875
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:09.119
We don't, like...

876
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:10.320
Suddenly down sleeves.

877
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.960
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it's fun.

878
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:14.099
That's exactly right.

879
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.780
There's something really fun about it.

880
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.340
And so now we're doing all this sort of race against time. to our

881
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:23.280
favourite shuttle. which, you know, it doesn't, but it's, it's

882
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:23.699
well done.

883
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.519
I think it's well, especially the bit where he's climbing up the

884
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.079
gantry. stop talking about it.

885
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:29.280
Oh, it's so funny.

886
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.820
I feel like more shows nowadays should be climbing up walls, you

887
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:33.239
know, like that.

888
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:34.980
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:36.000
Well, sorry, yeah, yeah.

890
00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:37.500
Climbing up the floor.

891
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.579
Along the thing.

892
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.500
I can't wait to see that again.

893
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:41.519
That's going to be pretty great.

894
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:43.440
Although it's probably just the floor.

895
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:45.360
No, it's definitely...

896
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:51.300
Those shots in Batman when they're going up roads.

897
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

898
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.099
It so true.

899
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:53.820
I'm not sure.

900
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.340
I think the feeding has ever been better.

901
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:00.239
But the great thing about it is that everyone knows how it's done

902
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.000
and that that's part of the fun of it.

903
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:06.900
Like part of the fun is seeing them play it as if they're walking

904
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:07.559
up the wall.

905
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:10.260
And we're all in on the joke.

906
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.320
Well, they've just got their hand, like one hand on a window ledge

907
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:14.340
or something like that.

908
00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:18.420
And they hold on and have a dialogue scene for about 5 minutes.

909
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.000
Yeah.

910
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:27.840
And here's our stock footage of the, you know, like Apollo thing

911
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:28.500
or whatever.

912
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.519
Like, what is it?

913
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:30.780
Satin 5 rocket?

914
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.380
I don't know.

915
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.719
But that's pretty awesome.

916
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:37.559
This is, for me, this is just what Star Trek should be doing.

917
00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:38.519
Look at the suits.

918
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:39.780
Look at them in their suits.

919
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:42.900
Look at Shatner in that suit.

920
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.000
They both look magnificent, don't they?

921
00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:47.639
stock shot looked a bit like Starfleet headquarters from the 90s

922
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.119
just then.

923
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:56.460
Yeah, I was getting vibes of before and after. from Voyager series

924
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:56.760
one.

925
00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:59.400
Talking about a Star Trek universe where everyone takes things

926
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.360
very seriously.

927
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:00.659
Yeah.

928
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:04.500
Do you know what, though?

929
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.880
We did agree, didn't we?

930
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:06.360
The other week.

931
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:09.059
I said to you, I used to think DS9 was this incredibly serious

932
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:10.199
greatest show.

933
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.000
And then we watched an episode in the height of the war arc, which

934
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.000
was the biggest fucking soap opera we've ever seen, the pair of

935
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:18.300
that.

936
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.239
As it should be.

937
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.300
Yeah, that's what's great about it.

938
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.260
That's not a failure.

939
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.500
That's it. absolutely doing the right. sort of force of nature and

940
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:32.280
things like that when it's taken itself incredibly seriously that

941
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.059
it's very tedious.

942
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:39.539
Well, I think if it's good, it can afford to take itself seriously

943
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:39.960
I think.

944
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:43.619
But I mean, there's an inherent ridiculousness to the premise

945
00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:44.579
isn't there, I guess?

946
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.380
Yeah, isn't he fun?

947
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.920
Oh, God, I was going to make more parallel stops here.

948
00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:52.679
This is the one time I can do it because I feel like this is

949
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.099
basically a doctor's story posing as a Star Trek story.

950
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.679
But, you know, Leopolis, where you got the guards going up the

951
00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.820
gantry after the doctor.

952
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.139
We just had a bit of that there as well.

953
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.800
Yeah.

954
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:04.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

955
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:08.039
So we're launching from the Canary Islands.

956
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:08.579
Wait, what?

957
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.260
No, we're not.

958
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.059
Oh, they're tracking it or something?

959
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:13.619
Okay.

960
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.380
I think he's gone up now.

961
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.880
We're heading for that sequence.

962
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.400
We are heading up for the scene.

963
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.440
Oh, yeah, for sure.

964
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:23.400
That's a stock shot.

965
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:24.239
That works well.

966
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.400
It must have sort of done a bit of dick in first.

968
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:29.940
It looks really good.

969
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.079
What stock shots have we got?

970
00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:33.119
I will write this...

971
00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:37.079
Yeah, either that or there is a thing.

972
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.980
Do you know what I mean?

973
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.679
They go to a building with a thing on it and shoot that.

974
00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:41.400
I don't know.

975
00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.420
I mean, where are they here?

976
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:43.739
Just a car park.

977
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.619
Oh, now we're in the set. photographic background.

978
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.780
Oh yeah, I do too.

979
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:49.619
I do.

980
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.559
And now yet we're doing a slow sedate pan up the rocket.

981
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:54.900
Yeah.

982
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:58.860
It feels like it's got some scale, doesn't it?

984
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.900
Yeah.

985
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.239
Yeah, that is great.

986
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:06.119
But then we are reminded of the artificial television in the

987
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:06.480
second.

988
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.079
Oh, look at Nimoy's hat now.

989
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:12.300
Nemoy's new hat.

990
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.039
He's got, why is he wearing a different hat?

991
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.320
Are they still wearing the same suit?

992
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:16.679
They are.

993
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.380
Someone stole in the studio between scenes, the other one.

994
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:20.760
So they're like, oh, bugger it.

995
00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:23.400
Doris, give us your app. makes sense.

996
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.000
Look short from the distance.

997
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:28.980
I know that's a stock shop, but that's fabulous.

998
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

999
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.820
Yeah, film.

1000
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.119
This works, oh, this, there, there's our...

1001
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.260
They do this in future.

1002
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:39.059
Is that...?

1003
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.539
What's that?

1004
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.619
No, that's real.

1005
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.860
I think that's that's, yeah, a helicopter getting past them. that's

1006
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.059
real. holy crap.

1007
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.519
I keep calling it a rocket. a shuttle, isn't it?

1008
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.280
No, no, it's a rocket. shuttle.

1009
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:54.420
So the shuttles don't really start happening until the 80s, I

1010
00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:54.599
think.

1011
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:57.420
Do you like the fact that they've got that red light on the

1012
00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:58.139
console there?

1013
00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.579
Like an old policeman's love.

1014
00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:01.739
Yep, yep.

1015
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:03.239
Well, it's the flashing red line.

1016
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:05.159
It's an alert, you need an alert.

1017
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.980
Oh, come on, missy.

1018
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:09.719
It's time to save the day.

1019
00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:10.860
Roberta.

1020
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.780
I'm so useless.

1021
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.860
She's so sweet.

1022
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:20.460
Bless her.

1023
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.260
Oh, what's happening?

1024
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.039
Is Gary coming back?

1025
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:24.179
No he can't be coming back.

1026
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.400
She figured out that the door works by...

1027
00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:29.519
Oh, she's figured out how to open the thing using the pen.

1028
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:32.400
I used to be so obsessed.

1029
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:39.480
So I am born like a year after this as, well, thereabouts, right?

1030
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:44.880
And so I remember as a child, like a very small child going to my

1031
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.460
father's office and it being decorated like this and the desk set

1032
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:51.659
you know, like with the pens.

1033
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.539
Like that stuff just fascinated the hell out of me.

1034
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.780
I just think the designer must have just been like, oh, here we

1035
00:43:57.780 --> 00:43:58.139
go.

1036
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.340
Here we go.

1037
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.780
Here it is.

1038
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.239
That's a good cat.

1039
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.099
I'll tell you what, for climbing over him like that.

1040
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.539
Just as they need him.

1041
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:07.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1042
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.440
No, he's got some salmon in his pocket or something.

1043
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:17.039
So you've got this tiny bit of rocket set with some dry ice

1044
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:18.119
pumping out.

1045
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:18.900
Yeah.

1046
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.860
It's great.

1047
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.199
And he's kind of...

1048
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.280
The fact's so great.

1049
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.559
She's a fur... cat's gone.

1050
00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:26.820
The photographic backdrop as well.

1051
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:28.920
I just think they're really trying.

1052
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:30.840
It really works.

1053
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.239
I think the photographic backdrop really, really bad.

1054
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:36.539
I mean, I'm going to remind you of TNG series one and all those

1055
00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:37.500
terrible studios says.

1056
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.420
They're putting far more effort into this.

1057
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:40.800
Yeah, yeah.

1058
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:41.579
Oh, yeah.

1059
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:42.119
Yeah.

1060
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:45.179
And effectively, that's where this is where Gene Roddenbury

1061
00:44:45.179 --> 00:44:48.059
stopped and TNG one is where he picked it up again, is it?

1062
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:48.659
on television.

1063
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.820
Yeah, I guess so.

1064
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.380
Yeah, it's forgotten.

1065
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.579
He's forgotten how good he was.

1066
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.739
Yeah, exactly.

1067
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.960
Oh, yeah.

1068
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.820
I think, you know, like the distance...

1069
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.320
What is it?

1070
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.480
It's 20 years distanced.

1071
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:07.500
Do you know what I mean?

1072
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.340
And I think that I think that he's not in a position to realise

1073
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:14.159
what really worked the 1st time around and there are things

1074
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:18.900
probably that were good, but that he was kind of embarrassed about

1075
00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:20.159
you know.

1076
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:24.900
What I would have liked to have seen was had they realised what

1077
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:28.679
they had, which they realised in the early 70s when the reruns

1078
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.159
were going out.

1079
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:32.159
And they just said, you know, we would make this, but the sets

1080
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.480
would be too expensive to make again.

1081
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.559
So tough shit.

1082
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:35.820
You've got the animated series.

1083
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.179
I would like to have seen how it would have transformed into the

1084
00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:39.780
70s.

1085
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.599
Like phase two.

1086
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:47.699
Because that was the original plan that then gets turned into into

1087
00:45:47.699 --> 00:45:49.380
the motionless picture, isn't it?

1088
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.000
Have you seen some of those phase two?

1089
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:53.400
I mean, the child was one of those scripts, wasn't it?

1090
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:55.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1091
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.039
Maybe maybe Roddenbury really had gone off the boy or come TNG.

1092
00:45:59.099 --> 00:45:59.940
The child.

1093
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:04.860
So Space 1999 does the child.

1094
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.360
Only the child is Julian Glover and ends up being evil. wonderful.

1095
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.219
It's so good.

1096
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.119
Oh, that.

1097
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:15.780
Look at that.

1098
00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:19.619
Wait, are they going to beam him out of there?

1099
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:20.159
They are.

1100
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.539
They're going to beam him out of there.

1101
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.380
So he...

1102
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.280
Oh, yes, okay.

1103
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:26.460
So we don't prevent the launch, do we?

1104
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.519
And so instead we have to crash a nuclear form into the surface of

1105
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.000
the planet.

1106
00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:33.780
It's just what we want. is a spectacular ending.

1107
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.760
It'd be a hot country.

1108
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:38.699
It won't be like anywhere where there are people, I guess.

1109
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.639
Oh, I love that she's figuring out how to use the room, how to get

1110
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:45.179
to him.

1111
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:45.900
Yep.

1112
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.880
Will she learn how to beam?

1113
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.659
Yeah.

1114
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.719
Yeah, here we go.

1115
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:52.500
They're getting him.

1116
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:53.280
They're getting him.

1117
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:54.599
In fact, Nathan, I'm gonna do it again.

1118
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:58.619
I'm getting scenes from Lagopolis here of Tom Baker on the gantry

1119
00:46:58.619 --> 00:46:58.860
you know.

1120
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:06.480
Any story that ends with a climax of someone poking into a console

1121
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.619
like that to save the day.

1122
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.559
Well, that sounds... science fiction for you, isn't it?

1123
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:13.019
Oh, so she gets him back.

1124
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.599
She gets him back from the enterprise.

1125
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:17.579
It does seem to be accidental, though.

1126
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:18.900
She's just twiddling a few knobs.

1127
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.900
Oh, no, no, no, because she's super surprised that it happens.

1129
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.500
But she does help save the day and she does bond with him, I

1130
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:28.800
think.

1131
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:34.079
This is our lead, you know, of our new fabulous show.

1132
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:35.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1133
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.199
Oh, this computer.

1134
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:39.119
Do you know what?

1135
00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:42.480
It's going to be my mission in life now to have a house where the

1136
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.380
bookcase slides out.

1137
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.659
It gives me fucking lip every time it talks to me.

1138
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.320
Oh, look at look at the monitor.

1139
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.639
I wish I had a round one.

1140
00:47:56.699 --> 00:47:58.679
I do feel a bit sorry for Spock and Kirk.

1141
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:00.059
They hadn't do it much, I...

1142
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.559
No.

1143
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.800
Yeah, they're having an easy week this week.

1144
00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:06.239
I'm sure they're still getting paid.

1145
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:06.719
They're fine.

1146
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:10.139
I mean, we've had what, 40, nearly 50 episodes of a pair of them

1147
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:10.440
now.

1148
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.699
They've done a lot, you know?

1149
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.960
Yeah, magnanimous enough to let the backtop pilots slip in.

1150
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.119
But like that whole conversation that they had was just about how

1151
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.539
they can't do anything, you know, like we're standing here.

1152
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.300
I, afraid we can't do it. just reminding us that they, you know?

1153
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.619
Yeah, yeah.

1154
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.920
Well, just let Gary and Roberta do the plot while we stand here.

1155
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.519
I'm surprised I should.

1156
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.920
It would have been nice if they had to pop up, again, in series

1157
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:38.219
3.

1158
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:42.599
Yeah, it's not the sort of thing that they did, I think.

1159
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:45.119
And I think they stopped having, didn't they?

1160
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.760
I think we're a bit embarrassed by this.

1161
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:51.840
Like, you know, even though it's really fun.

1162
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.440
I think.

1163
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:53.760
Are you embarrassed by this?

1164
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:55.440
No, not at all.

1165
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:56.159
I think it's awesome.

1166
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:59.400
Well, I mean, this is basically a template for the other show that

1167
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.539
you and I obsess about.

1168
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.039
You know?

1169
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:05.880
Well, it's well, it once really funny though.

1170
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:10.260
Like, if you think about it right, when 90 Star Trek says, let's

1171
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:14.519
do a spinoff, they go, I know, let's make it the same, but it's

1172
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.119
set on a space station, and you can think, okay, that's super

1173
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.079
imaginative.

1174
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:22.440
And then the next spinoff is, let's do it, but it's another

1175
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.340
spaceship.

1176
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:26.760
And then the other spinoff after that is, let's do that, but it's

1177
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.239
another spaceship, and that's really all they ever come up with

1178
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:30.900
somewhere else.

1179
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.460
This is like, yeah, yeah, this is like aliens, you know, have

1180
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:40.260
taken people from Earth, train them up to prevent the American

1181
00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:42.659
military industrial complex.

1182
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.820
And then send them back.

1183
00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:46.199
A different show, isn't it?

1184
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:47.880
a completely different show.

1185
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:50.039
And it would have had a different sci-fi.

1186
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:51.420
Yeah, it would have been wonderful.

1187
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.139
Yeah, yeah.

1188
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.519
Although, you know, you know what I mean?

1189
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.699
I'll never resist the temptation to defend DS9.

1190
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.420
What I will say is they decided to set it on the space station, but

1191
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:02.340
then make it in a massive soap opera.

1192
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.139
And that's what they did that was different, you know?

1193
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.980
No, but like when they're coming up with the idea, it's basically

1194
00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:11.519
just we're all on a space station and then every week 2 people go

1195
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.559
on a runabout and go and do an adventure.

1196
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:15.659
You know, like they know what they're doing.

1197
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:19.199
The pillar pitch was, it's on a space station with consequences.

1198
00:50:19.739 --> 00:50:23.460
That was that was that was the gold there.

1199
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.780
But I don't think they discover that until they certainly don't

1200
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:30.119
discover it in the series one, where are the consequences?

1201
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:31.139
Do you know what I mean?

1202
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.119
No sequels to other things or anything.

1203
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:36.960
Like, it takes a while for them to work out why they're different

1204
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.139
from Star Trek and it is, oh, look at that.

1205
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.119
Oh, she ringing the cops.

1206
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:43.440
Roberta, come on.

1207
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:49.079
But Star Trek 2 assignment Earth, as 2 separate shows had it, come

1208
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:54.599
to fruition, is like, um, 60 stock 2 into 70s, Doctor Who.

1209
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:56.760
It is a completely different.

1210
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.900
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1211
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.619
A whole different thing.

1212
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:01.139
And I think that's good, isn't it?

1213
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:01.679
That's healthy.

1214
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:03.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1215
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:06.719
And this is a kind of road not travelled for Star Trek.

1216
00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:10.199
And so although we have come back and looked at it again in Picard

1217
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:15.719
series 2, you can't imagine calling a thing a Star Trek spinoff

1218
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.579
and having it be anything like this.

1219
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:20.760
Imagine, Nathan, right, with the Kurtzman money.

1220
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:23.639
Yeah, they were like, right, we're finally got to do assignment

1221
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.679
Earth and we're going to set it in the...

1222
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.440
And we're going to have all that square.

1223
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.360
Fabulous design from back in the day.

1224
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.159
You and me would love it.

1225
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.719
It would be great.

1226
00:51:33.780 --> 00:51:36.659
Everybody else would be cringing.

1227
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.539
We want a season two, right?

1228
00:51:40.019 --> 00:51:44.340
But you're absolutely right about the use of stock footage because

1229
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.840
it's set around a launch, and because there is all that news

1230
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.300
footage of all of the launches and stuff.

1231
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:56.519
I mean, the moon landing is just over a year away.

1232
00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:59.820
I think this is like March 1968.

1233
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:00.599
I can't remember.

1234
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:06.539
But, you know, we've had rockets and stuff like that and footage

1235
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:07.619
on them, you know.

1236
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.059
So they use it really effectively and it makes it look very

1237
00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:17.099
science fiction-y and I guess that's why this is the Spy-fi era. in

1238
00:52:17.099 --> 00:52:18.179
the air as well, wasn't it?

1239
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.079
Send in.

1240
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:19.980
Yeah, yeah.

1241
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:21.659
Oh, rocket up to the moon.

1242
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.579
So it is cutting edge this.

1243
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:27.179
We're looking at it now, we think it's a bit quaint, but back in

1244
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:27.539
the day.

1245
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:31.619
Like, that's it.

1246
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.980
Like, I'm, I, it's, it maybe 10 years after this, I go to Cape

1247
00:52:37.980 --> 00:52:43.559
Canaveral in, in Florida as a child and I saw the, you know, the, I

1248
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:44.280
must have seen them.

1249
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:46.320
Must have been the enterprise.

1250
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:48.900
It was a definitely sort of space shuttle in any case.

1251
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:53.099
You know, um, And that's kind of the death of it.

1252
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.159
You know, once the space shuttles come in, then it all sort of

1253
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.039
goes to hell and it's no longer exciting and stuff, but it's so

1254
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:00.420
exciting in the 60s.

1255
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.820
We've lost that buzz about it, isn't it?

1256
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.800
Of exploring the unknown.

1257
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:06.480
Yeah.

1258
00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:10.980
I don't feel we have in terms of fiction and the enticing

1259
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:11.519
possibilities.

1260
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.320
I do think we have in terms of reality.

1261
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.300
Yeah.

1262
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.679
Well, it's just incredible to think that 50 years ago, there were

1263
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.460
people walking around on the moon, were more than that now, but

1264
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:27.119
that's... shared sense of excitement of everyone watching it on

1265
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.320
the TV.

1266
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:29.400
Oh, yeah.

1267
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.579
See, that did happen within my lifetime.

1268
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:38.460
Like, I think I was maybe 2 or 3 months old.

1269
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.980
And your love of science fiction began there.

1270
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:42.420
That's it.

1271
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.699
I think I was propped up in front of the television.

1272
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.800
Oh, look, she's got the she's got the Sonic screwdriver now.

1273
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:51.059
She pointing it at Gary 7.

1274
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.519
Yeah, is she going to make him happy?

1275
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.840
See this is great, isn't it?

1276
00:53:57.900 --> 00:53:58.679
Oh my god.

1277
00:53:58.739 --> 00:54:00.179
This is bewitched.

1278
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.460
This is bloody bewitched Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1279
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:03.960
There's absolutely.

1280
00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:05.280
It's the look of the thing.

1281
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:10.079
But what is really good about this scene is that she thinks he's

1282
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:14.760
an enemy agent because she knows that he tried to stop an American

1283
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:16.800
rocket launch, right?

1284
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.820
And so it's like, you're my enemy, I'm going to point, you know

1285
00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:23.820
point this gum thing at you, and she comes around.

1286
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.059
She believes him by the end of the episode in just a few minutes.

1287
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:31.739
She will, uh, she'll show that she believes him and actually helps

1288
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:35.579
to convince uh, Kirk and Spock to let him do the thing.

1289
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.860
Yeah, it's a great end.

1290
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.340
Yes.

1291
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.199
It means the 2 characters do go on a little journey together as

1292
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:43.860
well, don't they?

1293
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.239
So then she loves to trust him.

1294
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:47.159
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1295
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.659
Ah, there we go.

1296
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.360
There's our Vulcan neck pinch.

1297
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.099
Wipe it out of the action for 20 minutes now.

1298
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:55.260
Finally, they're in the plot again.

1299
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1300
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.780
Just get peeped out.

1301
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.280
These guys don't notice.

1302
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:06.719
I wonder what happened to those 2 policemen.

1303
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:08.880
I think they've gone for a bit of a lie down, the ones that got

1304
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:10.019
beamed up to the Enterprise.

1305
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.639
Yeah, I think so.

1306
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:15.360
They're drinking at 70s. 60s. day drinking now.

1307
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.539
It's after lunch.

1308
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:19.440
It's time to have drink.

1309
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.119
There could be a little club.

1310
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:25.860
You know those homeless people when the ship comes down in voyage

1311
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.099
home?

1312
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.340
There's like a club of people every time they come back in time

1313
00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:30.239
with a spaceship or something.

1314
00:55:30.300 --> 00:55:32.460
It's just like, 0 my god, another spaceship.

1315
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.239
The society of, you know, spaceship sightings or something.

1316
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:40.980
So here's Gary explaining the premise to her.

1317
00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:43.320
I know this world needs help.

1318
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:46.559
That's why some of my generation are kind of crazy rebels.

1319
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:53.099
Yeah, that's terribly cheesy, um, you know, dialogue and stuff, but

1320
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:54.300
what about that?

1321
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.480
They wonder whether they're going to be alive by the time we're

1322
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:57.719
30.

1323
00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:00.539
You know, because of the Cold War.

1324
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:08.039
And like in Picard, like Picard series 2 goes out to a world where

1325
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.119
children, you know, are right to fear.

1326
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:16.619
And perhaps, you know, we know how the Cold War turned out, but

1327
00:56:16.619 --> 00:56:20.099
they're right to fear the future, I think, in the same way.

1328
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.860
And it is, like, the climate change thing.

1329
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:24.900
It is another tangible thing, isn't it?

1330
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.579
That we know, it's going to, well, we're heading in a unfortunate

1331
00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:30.000
direction.

1332
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.199
Well, do you remember, like they look up, Raffian 7, look up to

1333
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.579
the hills above.

1334
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:36.960
Where are we in LA?

1335
00:56:37.019 --> 00:56:40.019
I can't remember and we look up at those hills and see them on

1336
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:45.239
fire and you know, like the news from Hawaii and stuff just a

1337
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:46.320
couple of weeks ago.

1338
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:51.300
I almost love Kursman Trek for taking this episode and showing

1339
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:53.639
it's got legs, you know?

1340
00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:54.780
Yeah, absolutely.

1341
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.099
That's what they do.

1342
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:57.840
That's absolutely what they do.

1343
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.800
I just wish they would have gone to the 60s as well.

1344
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:06.300
Never mind.

1345
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.960
All that, all that location work in series Tory Picard is great.

1346
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:12.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1347
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:19.679
Oh, what's the, is Spock saying trust your guard?

1348
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.199
Look at them looking at each other.

1349
00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:24.059
All 3 of them in close-up.

1350
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.199
These men, manning and being men at each other.

1351
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:29.579
Talk about human intuition.

1352
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.980
We're leaning into some of the things we normally explore in this

1353
00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:32.280
show.

1354
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:33.599
Yeah, yeah, delicately.

1355
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:36.239
Yeah, it's just like it would give Spock a spotline.

1356
00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:38.940
Yeah, this could be one of his last line.

1357
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.559
We better make him say something.

1358
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.039
Yeah, and...

1359
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:48.059
Yeah, so Spock and her convince him to do it.

1360
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.619
And just his own intuition.

1361
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:54.420
I think he recognises the fellow, like another lead of another TV

1362
00:57:54.420 --> 00:57:57.059
show, and so he should let him do his thing.

1363
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.539
I think they said to Shatner, you know, look, if you want to do a

1364
00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:02.760
play this month, go ahead, all right?

1365
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:03.599
We'll just fill you in.

1366
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:05.519
A couple of location shots. you'll be fine.

1367
00:58:08.699 --> 00:58:10.320
Boom.

1368
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.579
So where are we who do we find out where we're blowing up?

1369
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.940
No, some Antarctica somewhere.

1370
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.039
It's a remote land with no people on it.

1371
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:22.199
With no people on it.

1372
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:24.960
Everything's fine and the nuclear fallout is all good.

1373
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:25.800
Oh, Jesus.

1374
00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:26.340
No.

1375
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.059
No problem.

1376
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.059
This is the cause of the climate problem that we're seeing in

1377
00:58:30.059 --> 00:58:31.079
Picard series 2?

1378
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:32.519
Cause and effect.

1379
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.099
They did actually blow up quite a few nuclear bombs in testing and

1380
00:58:38.099 --> 00:58:38.460
stuff.

1381
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.800
So, you know, I guess it's okay.

1382
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.219
Yeah, even into the 80s and stuff.

1383
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.199
I mean, this bewitched stuff here.

1384
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:48.300
The typewriter's tight in itself.

1385
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:49.619
There's a close-up on the cat.

1386
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.059
The fabulous woman.

1387
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.199
He's there in his suit.

1388
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:53.699
He's relaxing on the thing.

1389
00:58:53.760 --> 00:59:00.539
I actually, the one thing that I think is just fantastic is this.

1390
00:59:00.539 --> 00:59:05.760
She looks across and the cat is suddenly a beautiful woman and for

1391
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.659
no reason at all.

1392
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.880
And then like, what's that?

1393
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.900
But after talking, we would explore the backstory.

1394
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:16.019
He's been talking about to that cat like it is, you know, his

1395
00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:17.400
lover of the episodes.

1396
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:22.679
She's pissy.

1397
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.000
She's a little bit jealous.

1398
00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:28.320
You just wanted to turn to the camera and do that thing with her

1399
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:28.679
nose.

1400
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:32.940
Simply my cat.

1401
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.460
And then back to the cat.

1402
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.320
There we go. looking a little bit embarrassed.

1403
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:38.039
I don't know.

1404
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.179
Terry Carr's reaction.

1405
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:43.139
So funny.

1406
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:47.280
Oh, I know who you've got now, Shatner, effortlessly charming as

1407
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.059
he's going to go now.

1408
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:51.840
So, you know, he's got that lovely smile on his face and he's like

1409
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:52.679
right, well, we're done here.

1410
00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:53.639
Enjoy your show.

1411
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:54.780
David, look at this.

1412
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.280
Like, we can say we can't tell you about the future, but we can

1413
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.920
say that Gary 7 and Mrs. Lincoln, Miss Lincoln, have exciting

1414
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:06.780
adventures in store for them.

1415
01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:11.519
It's like the it's like the Emma Peel Tara King crossing on the

1416
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:11.820
stairs.

1417
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:13.380
It's like the golden handshake.

1418
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:14.519
Enjoy your series.

1419
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:21.420
No, I just think about the Simpsons in the Simpsons show, spinoff

1420
01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:25.139
showcase, you know, where they're setting up Ralph Wigam and Chief

1421
01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:29.639
Wigam in, you know, I've watched that as well.

1422
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.019
So funny.

1423
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:32.519
Yeah, I'd watch that.

1424
01:00:32.579 --> 01:00:36.719
What this really does show as well is how Star Trek can absorb

1425
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.380
other genres from the time and make it work because you've got

1426
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.719
that sort of comedy from bewitchedness.

1427
01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:45.840
You've got that spy-fi stuff from the champions and all of that.

1428
01:00:45.900 --> 01:00:49.079
And maybe people find it embarrassing.

1429
01:00:49.139 --> 01:00:52.619
I think it worked as a fun adventure romp.

1430
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.960
I think it works brilliantly.

1431
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.119
Yeah, I do too.

1432
01:00:57.179 --> 01:00:59.519
I think it's a really enjoyable 50 minutes of TV.

1433
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:04.920
And, you know, Scott McNulty says that a TOS episode tends to be

1434
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:06.960
on average about 10 minutes too long.

1435
01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:09.000
But I didn't feel that way about this.

1436
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:11.099
I was entertained the whole time.

1437
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:15.239
And just the fact that it, like we said, it skips over enormous

1438
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.300
gaps in logic, like the time travel with one line.

1439
01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:19.800
You know, it's doing it.

1440
01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:21.000
Oh, no, no.

1441
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:24.300
It's just we do the minimum that we need to do to just kind of get

1442
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:27.239
everyone in the position to have this episode.

1443
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:27.539
Yeah.

1444
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.780
And you know, the only trouble is, is they kept looking at other

1445
01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:33.480
genres and, you know, they looked at Westerns and we had that fun

1446
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.619
episode in series three.

1447
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.400
But they also looked at zombie episodes and we got Spot's brain

1448
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:38.699
you know.

1449
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.599
It's hit and missed depending on which genre they're looking at.

1450
01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:43.739
Oh, yeah.

1451
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.039
I don't know what genre they were looking at when it was the way

1452
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.780
to Eden, those hippies that came along.

1453
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, God, series 3 is rough, isn't it?

1454
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.820
I think there's more in there than we think there might be

1455
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:57.179
though.

1456
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:58.980
We'll unearth it as we go along.

1457
01:01:59.039 --> 01:01:59.820
Yeah.

1458
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.019
Yeah, yeah.

1459
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.719
I think we've had good experiences in series 3 already, haven't

1460
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:03.900
we?

1461
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.820
Ah, yeah, the ones we've done.

1462
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.739
I mean, I even enjoyed Scott's brain.

1463
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.980
What I think we should do now is, though, is you and I start a

1464
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:15.420
brand new podcast, as you named at the beginning, untitled

1465
01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:16.980
Assignment Earth projects.

1466
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:21.360
Well, I, yeah, I suspect that the show would have been called

1467
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:25.500
Assignment Earth, but given that we don't know, I'd be tempted to

1468
01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:29.639
call it untitled Gary 7 Project, because I think that's a, that's

1469
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:30.840
a pretty awesome title.

1470
01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:36.000
We could just pretend they went on to make a whole 30 episode

1471
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:36.960
season of it.

1472
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.019
I believe there was 890 odd episodes of that, you know.

1473
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.059
Imagine that.

1474
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.820
They still making it now. get renewed.

1475
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:45.599
Yes.

1476
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:47.219
Star Trek doesn't get renewed.

1477
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:48.539
Something happens.

1478
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:50.880
Someone goes back in time.

1479
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:55.260
Probably Bones goes back in time by mistake because he's on drugs

1480
01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:55.860
or whatever.

1481
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:01.440
And, uh, you know, he knocks over Gene Roddenby's tea lady or

1482
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.920
something and Star Trek gets cancelled at the end of series two

1483
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.119
but they go on to make 894 episodes of uh, Gary 7.

1484
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:10.679
Not a terrible outcome.

1485
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:15.599
It's a glorious parody cartoon. they're making of the Gary 7

1486
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.280
project right now with a great voice artist that can do it.

1487
01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:25.139
They've got a kids show of all these Gary 7-esque little kids, a

1488
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:25.679
prequel.

1489
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.500
And the movies.

1490
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:29.639
Don't get restarted.

1491
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:31.380
I'll tell you what right?

1492
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.900
The even ones are terrible, but the odd ones are great.

1493
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:35.880
Yeah, magnificent.

1494
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:47.880
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1495
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.460
work out what we're going to be watching next.

1496
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:56.280
This was your excellent choice, assignment Earth, and so it's my

1497
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:57.780
turn to ruin all.

1498
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.900
You gave us collective, and I gave us assignment.

1499
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.360
No, you're ahead on points for sure.

1500
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.760
So let's see what I can do.

1501
01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:09.300
Will I fall further behind because we are going to choose an

1502
01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:11.579
episode of Star Trek Discovery?

1503
01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:14.039
Okay.

1504
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.320
We haven't done it for a long time.

1505
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:18.780
We haven't done it for a very long time.

1506
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.719
So let's see what we get.

1507
01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:24.780
But you know, the only reason I have that reaction is because of

1508
01:04:24.780 --> 01:04:27.179
all the Kursman treks, you know that's my least favourite.

1509
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.739
Yeah, yeah, but I, you know, like you haven't seen the best of it

1510
01:04:31.739 --> 01:04:34.739
I think, is part of the problem.

1511
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.199
I've seen 2.5 seasons of it.

1512
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.179
That's a fair bulk of it.

1513
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.280
That is, but I think it gets better.

1514
01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:45.179
And it is a flawed show in all sorts of ways, but I think, you

1515
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:48.119
know, if we didn't have discovery, we wouldn't have everything

1516
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:48.539
else.

1517
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.880
Yeah, that's very true.

1518
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:55.260
Thankful for discovery, for giving us prodigy, lower decks, strange

1519
01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:55.980
new worlds.

1520
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.340
All of it. wonderful stuff.

1521
01:04:59.460 --> 01:05:01.920
So this...

1522
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.400
This is really interesting.

1523
01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:07.079
I don't know if we'll do this.

1524
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:13.980
This is called all in, and it is the episode, I think, after the

1525
01:05:13.980 --> 01:05:16.980
one that we've already done in series 4.

1526
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.039
And so Book and Michael have kind of pardoned way.

1527
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.679
He went off at the end, yeah.

1528
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1529
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.400
She says shit. which I think is pretty great.

1530
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:31.380
I love it when they swear in Star Trek.

1531
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.719
And so I think she shows after him.

1532
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:36.599
And then she looked off camera longingly, as she has, I want to

1533
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:36.719
do.

1534
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1535
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.179
But then the 2 of them meet in a place and they play a high stakes

1536
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:47.820
poker game, which is an extremely weird kind of scary for the show

1537
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:48.239
to take.

1538
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:52.980
But it gives them a chance to kind of, you know, we get to play

1539
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:55.679
out the conflict between them, which has been sort of simmering

1540
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:58.739
and which is obviously spilled over at the end of that

1541
01:05:58.739 --> 01:05:59.519
cliffhanger.

1542
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:00.480
It's actually pretty good.

1543
01:06:00.539 --> 01:06:02.280
And I do think that series four.

1544
01:06:02.340 --> 01:06:06.000
As I've said many times, the end of series 4 is pretty great Star

1545
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:07.800
Trek, but I am going to press it again.

1546
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:12.000
And this might be actually, this is actually what might be a bit

1547
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:12.480
interesting.

1548
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:20.099
So what we've rolled is season two, episode eight, uh, and it is

1549
01:06:20.099 --> 01:06:28.920
called if memory serves, and it has, um, Pike, who is captain of

1550
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:30.960
the Enterprise, obviously, in series two.

1551
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.880
Ah, well, no, don't you remember?

1552
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:40.019
It's like, where is Spock for the whole 1st part of series 2?

1553
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.699
It's kind of where's Spock?

1554
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:42.719
We haven't seen Spock.

1555
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:46.800
This is Spock and Burnham going to the planet Talos 4, which is

1556
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.260
where the cage takes place.

1557
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.039
Let's do this.

1558
01:06:50.099 --> 01:06:51.239
Let's do this.

1559
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:52.199
I think we should.

1560
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:59.519
Because this is this is kind of the genesis of Strange New World

1561
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:05.159
because what they do is they recreate Talos 4, but they obviously

1562
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:10.440
recreate it with modern production sensibilities and on a modern

1563
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:16.500
TV budget while still being true to what we all remember from that

1564
01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:17.039
episode.

1565
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:19.559
And so in a way, if memory serves.

1566
01:07:19.619 --> 01:07:23.760
I can't remember what it means in the context of the show, but for

1567
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.480
us, it's kind of like, can we do 10 years before original Star

1568
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:29.940
Trek and can we do it convincingly and can it work now?

1569
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.500
And it will be fun to see Anson Mount again, uh, because we've

1570
01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:38.579
kind of overdosed a bit on, on straight you worlds, given how few

1571
01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:40.800
episodes there are, so we get to see him again.

1572
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:43.199
We get to see him with Michael and we get to see Telos 4.

1573
01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:46.320
Well, I mean, it's not just the Genesis of Strangely Wells, but

1574
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:50.460
it's leaning right back to the genesis of Star Trek with the the

1575
01:07:50.460 --> 01:07:52.619
original pilot episodes, and it gives us a chance to talk about

1576
01:07:52.619 --> 01:07:52.860
that.

1577
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.940
It gives us a chance to talk about series 2 of discovery, which I

1578
01:07:56.940 --> 01:08:00.960
think we both agree is probably the weakest season, but gave us

1579
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:07.019
all those wonderful gifts to go on and spearhead strange new

1580
01:08:07.019 --> 01:08:07.380
worlds.

1581
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.119
Yeah, that's a great choice, I think.

1582
01:08:09.179 --> 01:08:13.619
And I do remember it being visually arresting as well.

1583
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1584
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:15.719
Really great.

1585
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.380
Doesn't it have like a title pre-title sequ or like a previously

1586
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:19.739
on?

1587
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:22.260
Aware of that.

1588
01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:24.720
It shows you fame from that original part of episode.

1589
01:08:24.899 --> 01:08:26.399
Maybe.

1590
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:27.000
Yeah.

1591
01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:31.920
So it might be the most sort of Star Trekie discovery episode that

1592
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.699
there is.

1593
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.680
Yeah, maybe that's right.

1594
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:36.060
Maybe that's absolutely right.

1595
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:37.199
All right, let's do it.

1596
01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:38.100
Fantastic.

1597
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:49.500
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1598
01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:50.640
and Nathan Bottomley.

1599
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:54.420
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1600
01:08:54.420 --> 01:08:57.239
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1601
01:08:57.300 --> 01:09:01.439
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1602
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.239
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1603
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:08.039
This episode was recorded on the 29th of August 2023 and released

1604
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.180
on the 1st of September.

1605
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:13.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery, if memory

1606
01:09:13.619 --> 01:09:14.220
serves.

1607
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.460
Ah, OK. All right.

1608
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.159
Oh, hang on, I'm not able to get the reps already.

1609
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:37.560
Um, I've got it.

1610
01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:46.079
Like I know they've juiced up somebody effects here.

1611
01:09:46.140 --> 01:09:48.239
I just don't think this would have looked bad, though, back in the

1612
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:48.420
day.

1613
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:50.159
Do you know the?

1614
01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:52.739
I watched it with the original effects.

1615
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.920
And I am now going to watch it with the new effects.

1616
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:57.600
Oh, interesting.

1617
01:09:57.659 --> 01:09:59.279
Okay, well, you tell me what's different.

1618
01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:00.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1619
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.180
There's one thing that is really different in a really interesting

1620
01:10:03.180 --> 01:10:05.399
way for an amazing reason.

1621
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:06.479
Yeah.

1622
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.279
All right.

1623
01:10:08.340 --> 01:10:11.039
You should open this and it's like, right, we've got a new podcast

1624
01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:11.760
in the works.

1625
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:14.399
It's called Gary 7 and we're going to do the pilot episode now.

1626
01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:17.279
Untitled Dinner.

1627
01:10:17.699 --> 01:10:19.619
Oh, yeah, great.

1628
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.859
But it's called, it's definitely called a Simon Earth, isn't it?

1629
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.779
Like, it's definitely called the Simon Earth.

1630
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.659
Which would be a great name for a 60s series.

1631
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:28.739
Yeah, of course.

1632
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.060
Where's he going this time?

1633
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:31.260
The Roman times.

1634
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.020
The cat's being hailed as a god, yeah.

1635
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.000
Oh, amazing.

1636
01:10:36.779 --> 01:10:41.039
There are 2 other episodes with colons in them.

1637
01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:43.800
Course oblivion.

1638
01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:45.840
Oh, and...

1639
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:48.300
What's the other one?

1640
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.199
Operation annihilate.

1641
01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:54.000
Is that it?

1642
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:54.600
Of the whole run.

1643
01:10:54.659 --> 01:10:56.039
I think so.

1644
01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:58.260
Wait a sec.

1645
01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.640
I can probably find this out.

1646
01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:01.680
Of course oblivion.

1647
01:11:01.739 --> 01:11:03.300
It's so bad.

1648
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:04.619
It's so bad.

1649
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.039
Oh, laughing so much when I was listening back to that

1650
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:08.460
collective.

1651
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.939
I do think we're funny as when we're being really mean, you know?

1652
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:20.340
Oh, because we talk about how shitty Janeway looks in, um, Course

1653
01:11:20.340 --> 01:11:25.979
oblivion, 1159, because it's 1129.

1654
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah.

1655
01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:28.560
Is that it?

1656
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.960
No, it's just a Simon Earth and Course Oblivion.

1657
01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:33.659
Operation annihilate doesn't have one.

1658
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:39.899
Anyway, that's just a punctuation thing. that I can...

1659
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:44.399
I'd rather have a Simon Earth than wrongs darker than deaf and

1660
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:45.300
knight.

1661
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:46.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1662
01:11:46.739 --> 01:11:47.579
No, I agree.

1663
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.680
One promise is excitement.

1664
01:11:49.739 --> 01:11:52.680
The other one promises...

1665
01:11:52.739 --> 01:11:53.579
Just misery.

1666
01:11:55.859 --> 01:11:57.840
Guess what, Kira?

1667
01:11:57.899 --> 01:11:58.560
I fucked your mother.

1668
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:00.539
Is it that one?

1669
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:02.579
And you're going to try and kill her, yeah.

1670
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:03.960
Is that one?

1671
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:07.560
Although it's worth it, just for your mama joke.

1672
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.140
The bit where he drops the news and he's fucking loving it at that

1673
01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:13.859
moment, you know?

1674
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.500
You're a mother and I, we're lovers.

1675
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.039
Oh, for God's sake. soap opera.

1676
01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:24.479
It's so funny And then she goes to Ops and she's fucking horrible

1677
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.159
to everybody.

1678
01:12:26.699 --> 01:12:29.939
Bashir and Abra are talking about the hollow switch.

1679
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.680
She's like, when are you people going to go back to work?

1680
01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:32.279
Come on.

1681
01:12:32.340 --> 01:12:34.140
For God's sake.

1682
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.500
That's great.

1683
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:37.319
She won't have any banter, no ops banter.

1684
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.479
She goes, I've watched enough Voyager.

1685
01:12:39.539 --> 01:12:41.279
I mean, any of that.

1686
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.260
For God's sake.

1687
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:45.779
All right.

1688
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.100
Okay.

1689
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:50.220
I have realised, is you and I definitely can talk about Star Trek

1690
01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:50.579
aren't we?

1691
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:51.060
Oh, yeah.

1692
01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:51.659
You definitely can.

1693
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:53.039
We have opinions.

1694
01:12:53.100 --> 01:12:55.439
But with detail as well.

1695
01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:59.760
I have been exploring a few other podcasts and it's more opinion

1696
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:05.039
and less fact, and they reach for facts all the time as well, which

1697
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.420
are, they don't come having sort of absorbed it.

1698
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:10.500
Yeah, yeah.

1699
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.359
Well, I think we know stuff.

1700
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:15.239
I mean, like we're embarrassing on.

1701
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:19.500
Uh, you know, original series, but fuck.

1702
01:13:19.500 --> 01:13:25.199
I, I, I, I, 4 episodes of this shit, like how, you know, that's

1703
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:26.220
where we have the most thumb though.

1704
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:27.899
When we're discovering stuff like this.

1705
01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:29.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1706
01:13:29.939 --> 01:13:30.779
Far out.

1707
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:31.500
So good.

1708
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:32.880
It's really good.

1709
01:13:33.659 --> 01:13:35.220
All right.

1710
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:36.479
So I do the thing?

1711
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:40.920
You haven't done a disinterested Hey, Joe for a while, you know?

1712
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:44.220
No, I've been, I've been, you know, taking drugs.

1713
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.279
No, I mean, paying careful attention.

1714
01:13:48.779 --> 01:13:51.539
And getting sleep anyway.

1715
01:13:51.659 --> 01:13:53.819
Oh, no, look at this.

1716
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:54.779
Oh sorry.

1717
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:59.220
So I, I, yeah, I gotten a bit less than 7 hours, but I'll do

1718
01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:01.800
better because I've been trying to get in really early and do

1719
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:02.399
stuff before.

1720
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:04.500
I'll put the lights on.

1721
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:05.340
You might as well go to bed.

1722
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:07.859
Yeah, I may as well go into work, you see, where I can turn the

1723
01:14:07.859 --> 01:14:08.220
lights on.

1724
01:14:08.460 --> 01:14:09.899
Okay.

1725
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.119
Hey, Joe. Hi.