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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are in pretty grim territory right now in the Delta Quadrant.

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We are just after the middle of season six.

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This is the only Star Trek game in town you told us at the end of last week's episode.

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And how do we think things are going?

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You and I have a bit of a fan, you know, in Tom Selinski.

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He's doing these marvellous trek a day tweets and blog.

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He's up to this point, isn't he, poor bastard?

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He's about where we are now, yeah.

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And bless him.

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His 5 star reviews are a thing of the past. you know.

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Well, yeah.

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Okay, so here's what's happening in series six, season six.

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Sorry, I would say serious. is that we kickstart season 6 with a 4 episode run, which is about as strong as Voyage has ever been.

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Ron Moore's on board and he's like, right, let's go.

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We're going to do some serious storytelling, you know, amazing characterisation.

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He does one episode and says, I, doing this shit anymore.

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He's in the writer's room and he's going, well, why is Jay Wade behaving like a psychotic?

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What's the reason?

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And they're like, well, it's just good telly.

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Okay.

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Oh my god.

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I'm going to go and write Battlestar Galactica.

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See you later.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Thank God he didn't stick around.

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We may never have got that.

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But then it does mean that Braga is still in charge.

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Right.

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And what happens as a result after those 4 episodes is we're in absolute concept of the week episodes right through to the end of the season.

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And it veers between being genuinely very good, stuff like Blink of an eye and Pathfinder.

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And I think the Muse is another really strong episode.

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And memorial and things like that. and just the worst Star Trek we have ever seen.

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And that's stuff like Alice featuring Tom Paris's very own version of Christine.

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Yes.

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Virtuoso, where we go down to the planet of the small people who are obsessed with the doctor singing, spirit folk where Janeway creates an electronic dildo to have sex with.

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I quite like that bit.

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And Harry kisses a cow.

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Don't forget that.

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And, you know, love it or hate it.

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Self would have 9 fights the rock.

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That could be the point where Voyager sort of sold out completely.

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No, that's glamorous.

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I'm up for that That's superb.

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Get the rock in, you know, before he's famous. somewhere in the midst of all of this.

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We have collective.

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Yeah.

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And this is on the back of many, many Borg episodes of Star Trek Voyager, where they have been neutered to the point of insignificance.

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Where we're bringing in a bunch of little kitty winks for the series.

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Yeah.

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So, like, I don't think that this has to be a bad episode.

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But I have to say...

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Yeah.

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I had to say it kind of is.

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And I think part of the problem is like, you know, we go on board the Borg cube and it's just somewhere we've been so many times before.

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And remember how I said, when we did Scorpion, I actually thought that the Borg cube, even then, even though it was the 1st time that Voyager had done it, that it was kind of a boring, it was like a sort of boring environment.

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It's something that had been done and it had been sort of recently done in a film.

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It was done incredibly well in Qhu, where they had babies in drawers, which I think, woo, more of that later.

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So I don't think this had to be terrible, but I don't know why it's quite so boring.

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And I think partly is there's no atmosphere, there's no pace, there's no tension.

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It's just a lot of people standing around and, you know, even the action sequences, you know, Voyager always does this thing where they're sort of shouting and dramatic light on the bridge and stuff and we're having a fight for some reason or whatever. boring.

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Yeah, yeah, they can normally do that Well, but this is so stately.

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It's not stately.

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It just plodding in the way it's directed.

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I think.

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I watched this on the 1st 10 minutes.

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I remember messaging you going.

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Do you know what?

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This isn't awful.

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It's not great, yeah.

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But I'm intrigued to see how this is going to pan out.

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This is before the kids arrive.

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I'm like, you know, the shit's being driven in a strange way.

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You know, the Borg are behaving in an unusual way.

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What could possibly be the cause of all this?

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Then the kids arrived, and then we're in sort of very lame, very lame moral dilemma territory.

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Because it's not even played out like a moral dilemma, weirdly enough.

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No, well it doesn't go anywhere.

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There is something that looks like... are long past, aren't they?

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Well, no, it's the days of I boil, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And again, it doesn't tend to go anywhere.

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There is a sort of very dramatic scene where Janeway looks like she's going to do something and then she just doesn't and nothing really happens.

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And like a whole heap of things happen, but they're completely weightless and they don't have any consequences.

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And then we kill off the bad guy because obviously that has to happen and we take the kids on board.

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And I'm just not sure what they thought they were doing with the kids.

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I figured they were giving 7 or 9 a family on Voyager.

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Like, that's what it appears to be at the end, where she goes into the room, says good night, turns the light out.

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I'm like, okay, they're going to sort of play this out and I'll give them the credit that they allow for consequences.

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Yeah.

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Which is a very unvoyagery sort of thing to do.

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Yeah, I mean, the other thing is that they kind of want to gesture at being a generational ship, you know, that was always the idea, but we know they're going to get 7 seasons, and so there isn't really time for it to be a generational ship.

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And they have the Naomi Wildman thing where Ensign Wildman gives birth and then, you know, a couple of months later, the child's 10, you know, like Alexander or whatever, and that just seems ridiculous.

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Like that's daytime soap opera kind of territory.

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And then we get some kids on board some other way.

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And like, I think, you know, just basically having echeb at the end of all this is not a bad thing, you know, I don't think that's a terrible thing.

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I think they've kind of fudged the consequences because 2 or 3 episodes later, they jettison 3 of the children and go, well, we just come to passing your planet.

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So there you go, off you go.

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And then they keep Egypt.

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But then they do a stunning episode where each of is almost written out, featuring one of the best rug pools forger ever managed to do within an episode.

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And then sort of each app's role in the last episode then is to be like the Wesley Crusher of the ship, isn't it?

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Right.

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Sort of the, the, the kid who's learning all the rules of the Federation and, you know, has a few moments where he is a bit of a rebel with Q's son and, you know, it's all that stuff going on.

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I'll tell you the problem with this, is it's execution.

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More than anything, and it's a massive problem with Voyager in series 6, because I'll tell you what, there are some other fun premises around this time.

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There's an episode coming up called Live Fast and Prosper, which has the astonishing premise of 3 people posing as Janeway, Chevok, and I think it's Milix.

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And going around pulling comms on people, saying we're going to save your planet if you give us, I don't know, a $1000000 or whatever it is.

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It's so boring.

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It's so lead leadenly directed and weakly plossed.

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And I just think there is a... a relaxed feeling amongst the Voyager production crew at the moment that they know they're the only trick on the air and they can sort of churn it out for the next 2 years because they know Enterprise is coming as well.

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Okay.

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And it really isn't good enough.

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Because some of this stuff is good.

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But I think some of it could have been extremely good if the people behind the scenes were, I don't know, given a bit of energy.

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It's sad.

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It's really sad.

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And it's sad because this was always just time to shine.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's out from under the kind of.

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Well, I mean, it was always sort of a bigger deal, I guess, than Deep Space 9, you know, like it had launched this new network, all of that sort of thing.

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And it was the sort of Star Trek thing while Deep Space 9 was off doing its own thing over here.

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But, I don't know.

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What's odd is 44 and 5 is where I think Voyages at is best, where the storytelling is pretty strong and where the execution is at its best as well.

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And then it just feels like 6 stars in a really strong place.

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And then everyone just sort of gives up the rest of the rum.

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Sorry, folks.

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So this one is directed by someone who doesn't come back. you know, and there's nearly no information about it on memory alpha, so we don't know why that person doesn't come back, but perhaps it's because even, even for that production crew, this was just not very well done or not good enough.

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It's legend, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm excited.

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Should we go?

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As ever, you know, I'll say this every time we approach a particularly dreary episode of Star Trek. the fact that you're as miserable as I am watching it makes it all the more tolerable.

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That's exactly right.

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Okay.

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All right, I'm going to count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You know, as if to make it even worse, you know, we open with the sequence featuring...

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The worst rubber and the other terrible Robert, who's recently outed as a complete homophobe, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Too bad Roberts.

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The 2 worst Roberts, Harry and Neelix.

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And Neelix, I think, is doing the best job here, but this is some really, really shitty Voyager banter.

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And like it's so bad.

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And like you kind of want Neelix to be playing them, don't you?

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Because Neelix is smart and he survived and he was always a little bit more dodgy than he led on like early on in the show.

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You know, like he was a little bit more of a sort of, you know, shadowy, not shadowy figure, but a bit of a con man, a little bit, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And a past and stuff like that.

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No, no, no.

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And because he's played by Ethan Phillips, who can't help being lovely and cuddly sort of thing.

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And so, but none of that lands, like none of that, like all of this is so boring.

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No one's funny.

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No one's saying anything interesting.

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Well, you open Q-Hoo with a poker game among some great characters and then you have sequences on a Borg ship featuring children.

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We've done all this before.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I know you think Harry Kim is pretty, but...

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He's not a great actor, though, Nathan.

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No, but he, I think he's better, I'd sooner watch him than the worst Robert.

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Like this line and I had a full house.

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That's supposed to be a funny line.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, and Neelix has gone, oh, I've got a flush.

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Does that beat, you know, DuPair or whatever?

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And all of this is, like, who gives a shit, honestly.

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This is so boring.

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Back about, you know, Bunter, we were had a change of face of evil, you know, that's what happens when you share your toys.

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You know what, really fun stuff?

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That's how you do it.

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Well, also, like there was a, like, you know, some understanding that the poker games in Star Trek, the Next Generation were, like, had something to do with the character.

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They had a point every time they did it.

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There was a point.

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And it was usually geared into the plot of the episode.

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Yeah, that's right in the episode, you know?

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Yeah, and sometimes it's a little bit obvious or whatever.

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Like, it's not always the most sort of subtle or clever thing because it's Star Trek, the next generation.

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But this was nothing.

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This was wasting time.

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But the joy of those scenes as well in the next generation was that it was downtime for all those characters. where they all got to be a little bit relaxed in a way they never are on the bridge, you know?

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Whereas this bunch practically slouch around on the bridge.

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There's no difference.

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Well, they're doing that miserable band that they do, which is just absolutely butt clinchingly terrible.

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It's so bad.

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Like, it's like the writers have never met people before.

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Like, how do people interact?

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I don't know.

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You know.

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And it's like because they're from the future and they've all got a salary.

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Yeah that's because they're... people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And if they've just been normal.

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If they've just been like the people on discovery or on strange new worlds, you know, that we just don't do the space people thing anymore in Star Trek and I'm so relieved because it's so terrible.

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What's the most obvious thing they could do at the end of that pre-title sequence?

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Oh, our ball cubes come along. okay?

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Well, we haven't done that 15 times this season already.

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So has one been this season?

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Well, we seen a cube?

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No one, the episode.

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Oh no, that's season four.

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Is that season?

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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So that's a while back.

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Yeah, so what's happening here?

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Oh, yeah, so this, like this is super boring.

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And like no one reacts to the fact.

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So Harry's, there's an explosion down there, like Shields, like the camera is super static and really boring.

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There's no handheld, there's no nothing.

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Doesn't Harry Kim end up stuck in that Jeffrey Street for about half an hour?

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Most of the episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For ages. to show how essential he is to the story.

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Well, he goes unconscious and then no one seems to notice.

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Like, he goes unconscious and they kind of dismiss it.

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Yeah, see, this is fun, isn't it?

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Look at that.

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It is a bit of a cartoon though.

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No, I'm going to say something not kind, but I'm going to try and find an excuse for Robert Belgium.

223
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And that is because he's doing this secret, but he's done this a 100 times already.

224
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Yeah.

225
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Oh, fire photons, you know, evasive actions.

226
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How many exciting ways can you play that?

227
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So, Harry, Harry, we go, Harry, Harry, and then we forget about him and continue with what we're doing, like, no one, do you know what I mean?

228
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Like that's nothing, no consequences.

229
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Now we're about to be...

230
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I know this is an episode of origination.

231
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They know he's going to be all right.

232
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

233
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And so, and again, like we're about to be, I'm like that shot, though, going inside the queue there.

234
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It doesn't look it does look epic, I think.

235
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Yeah, it looks a bit cartoony though, doesn't it?

236
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Now, look, this is a dream sequence. objected to in Scorpion when the camera was heading around the ball cube.

237
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No, you see, at least that that's starting to look like 1st contact, that thing where we do have handheld and we do have a fish eye lens and a little bit of distortion.

238
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And it turns out, no, in fact, we're in a much more boringly directed version of the Borg cube, the Neelix's dream was depicting.

239
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You know, what's especially galling about that little sequence there is, you know, Chakotay's there in Borg, Regalia turns around and it's supposed to be like a bit of a shock.

240
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It's not.

241
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That's exactly where we end at the end of the season.

242
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Oh, it's so shit too.

243
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That final shot of them all looking.

244
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You want to talk about... making it dog makeup.

245
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There's no drama there at all.

246
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Bulgrew sort of turns around.

247
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Obviously, she's got a bull cap on and everything.

248
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She turns around as if to say, I've done 5 hours and it's fucking makeup for this light.

249
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To be continued.

250
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And the yellow is really bad.

251
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What a bad idea. holy crap.

252
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One thing that astonishes me, this is written by this teddy bear is written by Michael Taylor, okay?

253
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He did the 1st pass on in the Pale Moonlight, the visitor.point.

254
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He wrote counterpoint.

255
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Like he wrote some of the best of 90s Trek.

256
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What happened?

257
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Yeah, oh, look it.

258
00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:54.960
What's but what's with B'lana's hair?

259
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Is this her season 6 hair?

260
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Is that what's happening here?

261
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Oh, she's got one of those things that gives you volume and they had a power surge on Voyage.

262
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It's sort of very shaggy.

263
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It's really bad. but I do think K-Moll cruise hair looks astonishingly good.

264
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No, I will always like her longer hair when it's tied back or when she has a French curl or something like that.

265
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I think that she just looks like a normal American lady that's American lady hair and I just think it's super boring.

266
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It's worth poisoning out as well.

267
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Like, you and I did Scorpion and we did the Raven, and there was a point in this show where they were giving Jerry Ryan consistently excellent material to do.

268
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They realised what a fantastic actress they'd had and they they actually they delivered on the promise of that pandemic by giving her good stuff to do.

269
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We have passed that point now.

270
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Well, in fact, look how boring and staid this is.

271
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This is the thing I was talking about before, the standard low lighting voyager, you know, we're attacking people kind of thing and it happens all the time.

272
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But it just is people standing around talking about a space battle.

273
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Like there's no space battle hafting here.

274
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And there's no feeling of anything.

275
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There's no pace that like the music is nothing.

276
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Like the music is so nothing in this episode. made a point of that, didn't I?

277
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Because I feel like you get towards the clothes.

278
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I feel like the, the music is trying to be pacy, but it's so quiet.

279
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And it's so, so lazy.

280
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You know what, Nathan?

281
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There isn't even any rocks coming out of consoles.

282
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A lot of things, Kate.

283
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Like, here's Kate, at least, giving, you know, giving us some muscular threats, which I just absolutely adore.

284
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That's pretty great.

285
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I think we've got to the point.

286
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Going back to my point about 7 to nine.

287
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I think that we got to the point where they know she's popular, so they think if they give her screen time, no matter what they give it to do, people are going to be invested.

288
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Yeah, so like, why is Bilana, why is Bilana on the bridge?

289
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No, well, because she ain't got much to do since Stefan's coming.

290
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

291
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She's contractually obliged to be on the bridge this week because otherwise she wouldn't be in it.

292
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In fact, I'll tell you what, the tide is turning because Bilana gets barge of the Dead and the Muse in series 6 and that's 2 of the strongest episodes.

293
00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.279
So it's almost like they remember after a couple of seasons.

294
00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:25.559
Oh, yeah, we've got Roxanne Dawson here as well.

295
00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:27.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

296
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She's pretty good.

297
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We'll give her sights.

298
00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:30.660
So now everyone's born of 7 of nine.

299
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And, you know, think about that for a second.

300
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Seven of 9 in Picard.

301
00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:37.740
How could we ever be bored of 7 of nine?

302
00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:39.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

303
00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:53.640
Well, look, one thing about this saying that I couldn't stop looking at was those 3 people standing with their backs to us, at the consoles, just, they're not even, they're not even reacting to being in this space battle.

304
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There's pork here.

305
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They're just sort of standing around pressing buttons.

306
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It's fine.

307
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They're scenery, like whatever.

308
00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.839
It looks very bored, saying it is console, but that's just too rough.

309
00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:05.400
Yeah, that's right.

310
00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:06.779
Well, yeah, yeah.

311
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:07.619
Do you know what?

312
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There was at one point where you had to give a tactical line reading.

313
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Okay.

314
00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:12.900
And he delivered it in a very unusual way.

315
00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:16.079
And I just thought maybe that's just Tim Russ going, I'm going to have some fun.

316
00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:16.859
I got one line in this.

317
00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:28.440
Yeah, see, again, this should be scary and creepy, but it isn't because it's just the same old corridors.

318
00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:32.519
Everything's, you know, like there's no sort of particular close-ups and stuff.

319
00:20:32.579 --> 00:20:36.059
That yellow light is fucking ugly as hell.

320
00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:37.559
Awful.

321
00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:40.019
Do you know, when we did this in a scorpion.

322
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:45.059
Because you remember that was a dead cube that they were going around. yeah But it was almost in darkness.

323
00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.579
There was a strobe light going off.

324
00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:51.180
And there was at least a ball sort of reaching out at them and stuff like that.

325
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:52.799
There was stuff in it.

326
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Nothing.

327
00:20:54.480 --> 00:21:01.980
So I think I've said on Untitled Star Trek Project at one point that I liked it when the Borg used to keep babies in drawers.

328
00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:09.119
Do you remember that you remember where they open the drawer and there's a baby in there and they go, ooh, and then they close the drawer again?

329
00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:12.240
So now we have a baby that they've shoved in a drawer.

330
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:17.460
Yeah, like a literal baby that they've put in sort of Borg rompers or whatever.

331
00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.420
Okay.

332
00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.859
Now, whose choice was it to make the children be naked?

333
00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:29.460
And who put Mazotti in like, like, these pants?

334
00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.180
Like, as if they were trying to kind of make, like, sex are up or something?

335
00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:34.980
and she's like a fucking 10 year old.

336
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.440
Like she's got one leg completely bare.

337
00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:38.759
The boys?

338
00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:40.559
Why are they half naked?

339
00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.940
I don't know, because we've never seen ball this naked before.

340
00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.380
Yeah, yeah.

341
00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:50.220
But like it's because they're, you know, not out of their mat.

342
00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.700
So the clothes is the last thing that comes in in the maturation. chamber.

343
00:21:53.759 --> 00:22:05.640
Like, it's such a bad choice. in order for the sort of ill choices that they made from season 6 of Voyager to season 4 of Enterprise.

344
00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:07.559
This may have been one of the most still judged.

345
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.980
Jesus Christ.

346
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.160
So I'm just going to try and find out.

347
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:19.019
I don't think I have anything positive to say about any of these actors.

348
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:24.779
So I may avoid that topic because I spend far too much time criticising children actors.

349
00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:40.259
So I think the kids, like, I think it's cute that they have these twin boys, like, but were they ever going to do anything, they must have known when they cast them that they were basically doing...

350
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:41.579
Did they do haunting of date?

351
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:44.160
No.

352
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:45.119
Oh, yeah.

353
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.900
Yeah.

354
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.660
So they they're being told that story, aren't they?

355
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.019
Are they?

356
00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:50.819
That's at the end of the season.

357
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.559
They must have stuck around longer than I thought.

358
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:54.000
Oh, okay.

359
00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:55.680
Okay, but they just weren't in it.

360
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:56.819
They would be off doing something.

361
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.339
But sorry to throw in a Doctor Who reference.

362
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:05.880
It's the twin dilemma effect, where they've insisted that they have a pair of twins, whether they can act or not, and they can't.

363
00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:06.359
Yeah.

364
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.059
So, so it's a bit interminable.

365
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:14.220
And I said this to you off, Mike, there are a couple of sequences where Jerry Ryan's given it a rule.

366
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:19.799
Then the camera swings round onto the kids, sort of standing there looking like they need a bit of direction.

367
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.680
And stays on them for about 10 seconds.

368
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:27.359
Like, come on, we'll get a reaction shot out of them eventually, and it's just never forthcoming.

369
00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:29.039
It's very...

370
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.019
You know, they say never...

371
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.539
They never work with kids and animals.

372
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.619
There's a reason for that.

373
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:44.220
Yeah, look, I mean, I don't think, like, the children aren't really required to do much, and it is just the 1st an e-cheb that, uh, sort of interesting.

374
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:45.720
The kid who plays.

375
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:51.359
Actually, one thing that I did like was this weird thing that they do with Icheb's voice.

376
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:55.140
Oh, the sort of distorted...

377
00:23:55.140 --> 00:24:00.240
Yeah, like just moments of distortion and stuff when he's saying sort of vows and things.

378
00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:03.960
And it goes unremarked for a little bit and then we have to mention it.

379
00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:05.819
And I kind of liked it.

380
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.500
Like, I thought it was sort of interesting.

381
00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:10.920
But in a story...

382
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:12.660
Yeah.

383
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:21.180
In a series which has taken a ball character and over several seasons allowed her to become a human being again.

384
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:29.099
In a series that has done all of these weird things with the Borg, now to just bring in a bunch of kids.

385
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.460
It's like, will the Borg ever be scary again?

386
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:35.819
And we can't, they, they, they almost make it in Picard.

387
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.259
I not sure they're entirely successful.

388
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:42.000
Because they make them the ultimate good guys on the university.

389
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:42.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

390
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:44.099
Yeah, it's very hard.

391
00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:52.680
It just feels, you know what I said to you before, I was sort of detailing the path of how badly they were done over time.

392
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:56.579
I just think this is another step in that direction of neutering them completely.

393
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.539
Yeah.

394
00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:04.200
Is it that you can only do them a couple of times that there aren't that many things you can do with the Borg?

395
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:05.400
That can't be right.

396
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:07.140
I don't think so.

397
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.019
I think you can overuse them and that's the problem.

398
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.519
So they're trying to find interesting things to do with them and not much of its landing.

399
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.680
No, but I mean, I mean, part of the problem is that the kids just look stupid.

400
00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.519
Like it's the costumes just look ridiculous.

401
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:35.579
And, and they can't do the bald cat thing with the kids, like they do it a bit with the elder, like the older boys, but they don't do it with young boys and they don't do it, you know, with Marley.

402
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.259
Like she's just got her hair.

403
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.900
Like, I don't know.

404
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.240
Like the Borg stopped being horrifying.

405
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.740
Don't they?

406
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.839
And they're not even that kind of physically gross.

407
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:58.319
Because remember, one of the things I think that that 1st contact does with the Borg is that it makes them into zombies, like, and and so they're more cadaverous.

408
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:03.359
Remember, they're just kind of white skinned, like pale white in their 1st experience.

409
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.220
Wow, that would be kind of horrific here.

410
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:14.880
Because the concept that these are children that have been torn from their homes and turned into these, you know, emotionless automatons, it's a scarier idea.

411
00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:16.380
So why is none of this scary?

412
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.720
Yeah, and they don't even touch on it.

413
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:22.200
They don't want to touch on it and maybe just having the children thing.

414
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:28.140
Like, they've done it by having seven, you know, assimilated when she's a little girl.

415
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.599
Yes, that was terrifying.

416
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:36.839
That scene where she's in the shuttlecraft and they take the parents and then she's under the console and they come for her.

417
00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:42.900
The implication of what is going to happen to her is far scarier than anything you've seen. anything.

418
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.039
Yeah.

419
00:26:44.099 --> 00:26:50.519
And so now we're doing so they caught a virus, a spaceborne virus, which we can now reactivate.

420
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.279
And remember what the virus was.

421
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:57.059
Like, the great thing about I Borg.

422
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:58.799
That's what it's called, isn't it?

423
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:17.099
That then gets fucked up by descent is that they intend to infect hue with a three-dimensional image that has a weird flaw in it that is going to cause some computational problem.

424
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.220
And like that's visually in, like I don't even know what that means.

425
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:26.579
It's visually interesting and it's like the diagram that Geordie shows and then just how he describes it.

426
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.660
That's super interesting.

427
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:31.259
And then it turns out what they infect you with is individuality.

428
00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:33.960
And that's going to go back and change the Borg.

429
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:35.460
And that's super interesting as well.

430
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.539
The drama in that episode is how everybody reacts to using that.

431
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.240
Some people are appalled, but they would be thinking about doing it.

432
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:47.759
You know, and then you've got the consequences of best of both world in there as well, that seems hard and human.

433
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:49.859
See, between Picard and Gynan as well.

434
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:50.640
What about?

435
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:57.420
Honestly. and it is high drama in terms of the, of the, highest quality.

436
00:27:57.420 --> 00:28:07.140
And then there's this, which has got the same idea because they do have a sequence where they, where J-Wo's holding the baby later and more on that baby later.

437
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:09.660
Yeah, yeah.

438
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.160
And they're talking and she's got like the poison in one hand and the baby in the other.

439
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:21.420
She looks like she's going to go full Ahab, you know, and then she kind of goes, ah, yeah, no, maybe we won't use that like in the next scene or something.

440
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.160
It's just like, dramatised.

441
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:23.759
Is it at all?

442
00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:24.359
No, no.

443
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:25.140
Yeah.

444
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:27.960
So Harry's awake.

445
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.700
Looking pretty.

446
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:36.119
He's just very decorously, like a couple of little burns, but otherwise, thankfully, on Mars.

447
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:40.500
He's got to stay looking for a see because he hit that top 100 of sexiest men.

448
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.519
Yeah, wow.

449
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.900
But I can't ever have him looking too, too.

450
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.559
Pretty man.

451
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.900
It's the only reason he's still in the fucking show.

452
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.339
That's right.

453
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.160
They just take it out on him by never promoting him.

454
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:58.859
Please, please, can they just put it in a line somewhere in Kurt's control that he's still an ensign?

455
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:05.160
You know that he's a captain, though, in the final episode, which never happened.

456
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.319
The beats of the episode that never happened.

457
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:09.240
I say, I'll pretend that never happened then.

458
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:09.900
Yeah.

459
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.799
I can.

460
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.180
Yeah.

461
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.480
So I want to make a proposal negotiating with the ball.

462
00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:21.839
We've done all this in Scorpion, like...

463
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:26.640
The only thing that's different is a bunch of kids, which makes it, you know, completely less interesting.

464
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:29.400
And so the deflector array.

465
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:45.720
Like they take, they, they're supposed to give them the deflector array, because that's what happens in 1st contact where the Borg use the deflector array, and we have those scenes on the deflector array, which are so cool, uh, but which we couldn't afford for this.

466
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:50.039
It makes me really sad because the last Borg episode we watched War Scorpion.

467
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.460
And I just think they were handled so brilliantly in that.

468
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.519
Oh, I'm not sure in the space of 2.5 seasons.

469
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.259
We've got from there to here.

470
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.160
To this.

471
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:06.180
Well, and it is literally because Scorpion saw a spiking ratings.

472
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.740
This is popular.

473
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:08.819
Keep doing it.

474
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.799
Keep milking the Borg.

475
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:12.660
Ooh, Nathan.

476
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:13.079
Yeah.

477
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:16.680
Look, look at this.

478
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:19.859
This actor here playing, you know, the villain of the piece.

479
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:20.460
The first.

480
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.200
He's particularly bad, isn't he?

481
00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:25.319
Well, yeah, like I think he's okay.

482
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:29.460
He's very babyfaced, which is actually kind of what we're going for.

483
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.460
And they do sort of ugly him up a little bit more.

484
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:41.339
Like he is looking a little bit more cadaverous and a bit more borgish. you know, with things in his head and all of that and the mottled skin, you know.

485
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.640
No, he's just shoved Kate Mulgar up against the set there.

486
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:45.599
Yeah, yeah.

487
00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:49.200
As we've discussed on other episodes, you know, she's got quite a temper.

488
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.559
When they said car, you imagine what she said to him.

489
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:54.480
You do that to me again.

490
00:30:55.619 --> 00:31:01.319
I just like the idea that she was this fabulous diva on the set, you know, horrible to everyone.

491
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:02.519
I know she wasn't.

492
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:04.740
I like to pretend she was.

493
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:15.660
I think I think this is long past the point as well, where she has beef with Jerry Ryan, because that's fitted into the show and it did help to make the show popping.

494
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:21.420
And I think somewhere along the line, Mulgrew got over herself and Jeremy Ryan started dating Brennan Bragger.

495
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.440
It was a producer.

496
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right.

497
00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:25.500
So she couldn't be mean to her anymore.

498
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.160
It was never his looks.

499
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.039
It was always his role and the shield that he offered.

500
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:34.859
Actually, it's quite a pretty guy, right, right?

501
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.019
Oh, so what is happening here?

502
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.319
Like they're just standing around describing the Borg to each other.

503
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.700
As you know, Bob, the Borg are very predictable.

504
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.819
Oh, no, it's so boring.

505
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.319
We could save Harry.

506
00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:59.220
I'll have to say, Kate Malkra's acting ability to look concerned for Garrett Wag is astonishing.

507
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.200
No, he's doing good here.

508
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:02.400
There he is.

509
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:04.440
Look, saying lines, looking pretty.

510
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:05.880
That's what you're paying for.

511
00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:10.380
I'm doing a lot of comparing it, but I do just want to show sort of how the show's gone downhill.

512
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:17.940
Remember when we watched the killing game and he was all bloody and sweated up and he was in the guts of the ship and he was...

513
00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. explosions.

514
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.940
Yeah, so there's no physicality to this, is there?

515
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.140
You know, there's no, like there are no explosions on the bridge.

516
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.759
You know, there's a few lights going off and stuff, but there's no urgency.

517
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:33.960
There's no physicality.

518
00:32:34.019 --> 00:32:34.740
There's nothing.

519
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.799
Sorry. lots going off.

520
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.660
That's the best we can do folks.

521
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.220
Someone on the light switch.

522
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:45.180
Nathan, I'm going to say it again, though.

523
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.980
It's because enterprise is coming and they know it and they know they've just got to ride out the next 2 years.

524
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:50.819
Right.

525
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.119
This doesn't have to be a success anymore.

526
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:56.039
It's got the channel up and running.

527
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.019
It's had its moment in the sun.

528
00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:02.519
They can just literally dash off some of the shows.

529
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:04.799
Yeah.

530
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:10.140
It's almost accidental that they achieve as many good episodes as they do in those last couple of years.

531
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.000
And there ain't, you know, in terms of classics.

532
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:21.000
I'd say there's 2 or 3 in terms of very good, 10 maybe, and the rest of you are middling to very poor.

533
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.500
Yeah, okay.

534
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.200
Yeah, yeah.

535
00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:33.420
I mean, I watched one because I couldn't remember it and because he, you know, it's the Nazi, you know, plays the drone.

536
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.920
Is it one or drone?

537
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.079
Are you forget a drone?

538
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:37.619
Yeah, drone.

539
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.759
Maybe I'm thinking of drone.

540
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:39.599
What's one then?

541
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.640
One is the one...

542
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.359
That's her on her own.

543
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.519
It's a walking around the ship all your own.

544
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.880
It's basically Jerry Ryan just acting in empty sets.

545
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:51.180
Solid gold, as far as I'm concerned.

546
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.200
Yeah.

547
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.619
You've got none of the boring extraneous regular surrounder.

548
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.119
That's it.

549
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.160
Only the best Roberts involved.

550
00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:03.180
Jake May gets a scene at the beginning and the end.

551
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:13.500
And in fact, when she sits down at the beginning of the episode, she don't want to be around anybody and at the end of the episode, she sits down with her friends. sits down with them and eats or something.

552
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.940
So she's got a point down.

553
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:15.719
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:19.079
Yeah, okay.

555
00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:21.179
But like...

556
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:26.219
So are we supposed to think we're going to go on the same journey with all these kids that we did with 7 of nine?

557
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.960
because they've all got individuality, haven't they?

558
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, because they haven't been properly matured or something they haven't been fully assimilated.

559
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:51.960
And in fact, there is some interesting, there's a sort of intriguing thing that that she says that 7 says about how her experiences are Borg and the striving towards perfection or whatever, that there's something that she's taken from that, that, like it's a source of strength for her.

560
00:34:52.079 --> 00:35:00.780
Like, and and, um, the kids don't have that, you know, because they've never properly been part of a collective.

561
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.360
Yeah, here's the Voyager crew, ready for them to join.

562
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:08.400
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.679
Like, I don't know.

564
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:13.619
It just seems like a dumb idea because you've already done seven.

565
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:25.619
You don't want to put 7 in a maternal role because one of the things that's interesting thing about her is that she's not just someone's mum, you know, or someone's girlfriend, like so many women on television.

566
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:33.360
Um, And that she's got this sort of strong, interesting primary relationship with another woman on the show.

567
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:37.139
You know, the, you know, not a sexual relationship.

568
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:47.099
I mean these two, you know, acting together, you know, they're 2 of the best performance, performers on the show, they can kind of nearly make everything work. don't know.

569
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:53.579
There was a time in series 4 and 5 where scenes between these 2 sizzled.

570
00:35:53.639 --> 00:36:03.659
Like, you didn't know if they were going to snuck each other, whether she was going to throw 7 of 9 out of an airlock, like, they were tense and it crackled.

571
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.699
This is so boring.

572
00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:06.780
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.659
But this is the scene where she says something interesting.

574
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.519
This is the scene that I was talking about.

575
00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:18.119
So she talks about what happens in Dark Frontier and the Raven, because we see 2 versions of those, don't we?

576
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:35.699
And then she has the experience in the maturation chamber or whatever, and then she finds it as, like, it's a source of, of strength now, that her what she got from the Borg is something that she depends on.

577
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.980
And like, I think that's a bit of a recon.

578
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.699
It's like not a very clever speech because we've never seen any sign of it.

579
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:49.199
And it doesn't, it doesn't explain anything that we've seen about her, but it is odd.

580
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:54.480
It is them going back and thinking about, you know, how is she going to be different from these kids?

581
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.599
Yes.

582
00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:58.320
Yeah.

583
00:36:58.380 --> 00:36:59.519
Yeah, I don't know.

584
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:07.380
I'm not sure, I'm not sure what's about that, because I was sort of looking at the dialogue there as that played out, and I was like, there's nothing here we haven't actually seen already.

585
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.119
Why are we talking about this again?

586
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:10.199
Yeah.

587
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:16.559
And I know it's because it leans into the issue of the week, this week, but I don't know.

588
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:21.599
I just feel like I just feel like we're on a merry-go-round, you know, we're going round and round with this thing.

589
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:25.320
And the more we go around, the less interesting it gets.

590
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.760
Yeah, yeah.

591
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:34.559
Certainly, you know, I don't think, you know, like technically, oh, here we are in what's it called?

592
00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:39.239
not stalocostometry, astromatrics, where the big PowerPoint presentations happen.

593
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.000
Oh, look, he's using the playing cards to mark his room.

594
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:45.780
Oh, I'm like, what?

595
00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:46.199
What's that?

596
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.380
It's being used literally.

597
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.800
But but what even is it?

598
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:54.300
Like, who does that?

599
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.059
And why are we saying what cancer?

600
00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:57.360
What?

601
00:37:57.420 --> 00:37:59.760
Like, this is not, like, that makes no sense.

602
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:01.920
Like, it just makes no sense.

603
00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:12.659
And like, I actually like the scene where Mazzotti, you know, has been collecting the cards behind him and she holds up the queen and says, I like her.

604
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.219
I think that's good.

605
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:24.179
That's a little good moment, you know, but, like, to get there, we have to go through this stupid thing where Harry, like, is just sticking cards in the wall.

606
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:24.900
Like, what?

607
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:25.380
What's happening?

608
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:26.760
A head of a line.

609
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:28.079
They just gave tube out there as well.

610
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:34.320
You know, he goes, all cubes may have a sense of menace, and, but they're not haunted houses or they're not haunted.

611
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.380
I'm like, yeah, but these scenes don't have a sense of menace.

612
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.159
That's the problem.

613
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:38.699
They don't.

614
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.800
They absolutely don't have a sense of menace.

615
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:42.780
Yeah, and I know you mentioned it.

616
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.639
It's this yellow light they use everywhere.

617
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:47.460
It means the whole thing is just overlit, you know?

618
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:48.840
Yeah.

619
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.920
You can see a bit too much that it's a tiny set rather than a vast space.

620
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:57.539
And that the kids' outfits are just ridiculous.

621
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.579
Like the kids look stupid.

622
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:04.739
Like, and that's the, that's probably another sort of offbeat reference there.

623
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.059
It's the most inappropriate costuming since Torch was cyberwoman.

624
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.380
And anyone who hasn't heard of that, use Star Trek fans, go and Google it.

625
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.260
Yeah, Google it or don't.

626
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.440
As inappropriate as this.

627
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.900
No, she's of age, so it's less inappropriate, I guess.

628
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.980
Yeah.

629
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:26.940
Now, in a second, the baby is coming back.

630
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:30.179
So the baby's sick and it's it's a dolly.

631
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:49.739
It's clearly a dolly because the head sort of shifts about quite alarmingly and it does remind me of the wonderful tale that Marco Lame Motels when he had the baby in covenant and the circuits went crazy and it started spasming and he was trying to act the scene out with the baby going through.

632
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:54.780
And I think it has a little wobble when Janeway holds it later, isn't it?

633
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.139
It's really bad and hideous.

634
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.019
Not as bad as that CGI though, aren't you?

635
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:02.940
Oh my god.

636
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.320
Oh my god.

637
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:05.579
And so here it is.

638
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.860
The animatronic baby.

639
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:20.820
Surely there's someone on the production crew that was willing to loan them their newborn or someone on the production crew who had actually seen a baby before and would be able to say, actually, that doesn't look very much like a baby.

640
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.059
I mean, top boy, she sells it.

641
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.219
Oh, poor Marley.

642
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.980
Look at Marlene, girl, trying to...

643
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:34.679
Oh, it's so miserable, a poor kid.

644
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.659
And the other 2 coming behind her.

645
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.380
The twins looking astonished, but without any astonishment as well.

646
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.300
No, the one, they're looking concerned or and maybe, or maybe it's wind.

647
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.300
The baby.

648
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.360
And so the baby literally disappears.

649
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:57.539
So we never mentioned the baby again.

650
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.519
It never appears in another episode.

651
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:01.320
It doesn't stop moving.

652
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:03.480
It's not...

653
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.460
And not Elaine as well.

654
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.900
They had to redub the whole scene because the servos were literally like...

655
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:11.340
We're making it a grinding noise.

656
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.079
But the baby disappears.

657
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:18.119
Just completely disappears is never mentioned again.

658
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:20.219
Yeah, of course.

659
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:21.960
Yeah, no, never once.

660
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:28.619
And and like Braga says, oh, we it left in an offscreen scene.

661
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:32.699
And it's just like, well, like this is a TV show.

662
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.920
There are no offscreen scenes.

663
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.380
You just didn't, they didn't leave.

664
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.400
It's still there.

665
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:42.179
Just never mentioned again.

666
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.300
Wow, maybe it comes back for revenge or something.

667
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.440
Yeah, see, I think these, the kid meets Harry and goes, you left these.

668
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:49.980
I like her.

669
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.659
I think that's really...

670
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:56.519
I don't know whether that's meant to be menacing or what, but it's kind of sweet, I think.

671
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:57.239
I like her.

672
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:58.500
She looks like 7 of nine.

673
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:03.119
Offer, you've got more taste for this cloying children's stuff than I do.

674
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:06.840
You know, like, but like I think she's doing okay.

675
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:17.579
Like, you know, I can women be okay. in detail, watching Once Upon a Time, featuring Neelix and Naomi Wildman and their fairy tale adventures in the Holodeck.

676
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.039
Oh, Trebus and Flodder.

677
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:21.119
Right.

678
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:25.679
And, you know, all those scenes of Alexander in TNG season six.

679
00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:28.739
Oh yeah, but there's that great episode, isn't there?

680
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:29.820
What's the one?

681
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.139
Well, cost of living.

682
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.960
That's the one that I feel was on a time is trying to do.

683
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:37.139
Yeah, yeah, oh, I definitely think that's what's happening for sure.

684
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.500
And of course, the most cloying of all, Molly O'Brien.

685
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.440
And in my room.

686
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:48.539
Rump off, Phil, Kim. that's so cute.

687
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.940
She's so adorable.

688
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:52.440
With that tiny voice.

689
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:53.639
It's so funny.

690
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:57.360
It's so wonderful Now, look, watch the baby now. honestly.

691
00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:59.820
The head, the head sort of jarringly.

692
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.880
Oh, no, it's awful.

693
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:04.260
It's gross.

694
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.940
It's not quite as bad as that dog.

695
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.980
Do you remember that dog they added a night in sick bass?

696
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.280
and you're in the balls. a dog.

697
00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:14.039
With a hole in its head.

698
00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:18.239
You know, did you did you see that?

699
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.400
Actually, it feels appropriate to mention this as well.

700
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:34.199
That thing that was posted on Twitter this week about someone talking about 90s trek, saying, you know, Star Trek nowadays has a cinematic look about it, and it's not the sort of wobbly treked Star Trek of old.

701
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:36.179
And I think they're not talking about the original series.

702
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.380
No, I don't think they are.

703
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:39.119
They're talking about the us.

704
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:44.099
Well, I'm watching it now, and I can tell you, there's a little bit of rusty in what they're saying.

705
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:47.159
No, no, absolutely.

706
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:49.019
I've been saying that for ages.

707
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:50.400
This looks boring.

708
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:52.800
And I like that, though.

709
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:54.300
I like that.

710
00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.780
Like that weird thing where he's kind of got foil on his neck or something or there's foil under his skin, you know, like they've done something.

711
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.300
But again... scorpion.

712
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:08.760
Yes, and it's really weightless because it never really goes anywhere, but I think visually that looks interesting.

713
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:13.619
That's more interesting than just giving him sort of Borg things all over him.

714
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:14.699
That's something new and different.

715
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:17.880
Like, I, you know, I'm going to mention...

716
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:24.300
But yes, quickly because DSI was doing entirely original things in this last couple of years.

717
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:30.539
And they are just churning out the same bollocks that we've seen over and over again, and I just don't think it's good enough.

718
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.739
Yeah.

719
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:43.139
And but what I also wanted to say was I just came down hard on 90s, visually, but actually, some of Last Day Voyager, stuff like that, Frontier, killing game, things like that.

720
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.300
They could put the money on the screen as well.

721
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:44:46.440 --> 00:45:03.480
Yeah, and even if it was, you know, like it's always going to be period CGI, it always is, you know, I reckon there are things on Strange New World, where it's kind of like, I'm going to let that pass, but essentially that's a kind of very clearly obvious special effect or that's not that great or like whatever.

723
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:04.559
That's Star Trek.

724
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:06.059
I think that was...

725
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:11.940
Remember me last week and were those wonderful sequences of gates flying through the air towards that vortex.

726
00:45:12.539 --> 00:45:14.400
And even today, that looks pretty good, isn't it?

727
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

728
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:16.260
Yeah, I agree.

729
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:20.280
Okay, what's happening now?

730
00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:24.059
Look, the camera is literally just in the corner of this. just...

731
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.800
Yeah, yeah, it's just standing there looking at the fact that this boy has no pants on.

732
00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:31.860
I wonder if they got the rushes in them just for like, what's she doing?

733
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.860
Yeah, she's just this is so boring.

734
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:35.940
Look at that shot.

735
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.559
Look at that shot.

736
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:39.239
They're all just standing around.

737
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:42.119
That is how 80s Doctor Who was sure.

738
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:46.139
Very theatrically with everybody in the shot in a line.

739
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.320
One big shot with like, you know, how or everyone in it standing around.

740
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:57.659
It looks so cheesy and so shit. like 50 science fiction?

741
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.360
If it's a...

742
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.820
An older director, just using older... don't know.

743
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.900
Yeah, I don't know.

744
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:04.679
Don't know.

745
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.659
Or maybe she thinks sci-fi is looks crap and stagey.

746
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.840
Like you and I, we have talked a lot about direction in 90s Street, but we have mentioned that it can be very good at times as well.

747
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:19.679
So this isn't the norm. this bad.

748
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:25.260
No, I think this is much worse than like that was the thing that struck me more than anything else last night.

749
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:30.659
I've obviously seen this before, but this is me seeing it for the 1st time in ages.

750
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.980
And look at that.

751
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.380
That's really cartoony, the CGI too.

752
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.199
Can I ask you then, because I'm boring.

753
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.159
It looks boring.

754
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:43.980
You might have been at the pub with your friend Peter yesterday mentioning that he really likes this episode.

755
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:44.760
Did he say why?

756
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:46.440
No, I don't know.

757
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:47.099
I don't know.

758
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.719
He says, I can't remember, but he had some good things to say about it.

759
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:56.699
But I was just struck by how how plotting it is.

760
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.619
It's boring, I think.

761
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.659
I might ask him, you know, when this comes out.

762
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:01.679
Maybe it gives me.

763
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:02.699
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:06.360
We demand and explain yourself. why you like this?

765
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:10.260
Oh, there's an over the shoulder shot there.

766
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.280
Yes.

767
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:12.179
Whoa.

768
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:17.579
But like we're not going to see the the viewscreen because that'll cost us money.

769
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.880
Look, look, right to the corner of the set there, in that sort of alcove.

770
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.579
No, what's happening?

771
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.420
Is there a guy there?

772
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.940
to the side of the bridge.

773
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.579
There's an alcove where someone's sitting in it pressing buttons.

774
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:34.079
Because we, that's how often shoot on at the regulars where they're sitting.

775
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:36.000
We don't often see that, man.

776
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:38.579
He must feel a little bit underrepresented.

777
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:43.320
Oh dear.

778
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:46.500
Oh, that was so shit.

779
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.539
They're wobbling.

780
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.719
They're wobbling acting now, the camera's wobbling.

781
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.239
Oh, overloading the shield matrix.

782
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:56.579
Oh, not the shield matrix.

783
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.320
Look, the girl seems very upset about the shield matrix.

784
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:06.539
Tim Ross just went, the shield fluctuations are dropping.

785
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.539
Oh, he's dying inside.

786
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.880
Boosting the confinement beam.

787
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000
He really deserves an award for this.

788
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:18.000
This is so it's so miserable.

789
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:19.860
Poor old Tim.

790
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:20.760
Holy shit.

791
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:24.539
Even Janeway got in on it, then amplify the shield pulse.

792
00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:29.760
I bet Bilana was like, I do the techna babble.

793
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:30.179
All right.

794
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.340
Oh, dear idea.

795
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.000
So we're just, so this, we're all just standing around.

796
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:40.619
We're all just standing around.

797
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:46.079
Oh my god, like, say someone, yes, lower the shield.

798
00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:48.719
I reckon there hasn't been a line for about 3 minutes.

799
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:50.280
It hasn't been about the shields.

800
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:51.719
It's so boring.

801
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:59.820
So we're kind of acknowledging that the lack of drama is in both the direction and the script.

802
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.519
Oh, this is really bad too.

803
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.019
Like, what's the kid doing?

804
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.360
So this is the...

805
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.039
To try and draw a positive out of this.

806
00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:14.639
I do think that Manu, how do you say his surname?

807
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:15.960
I don't know.

808
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:16.860
Interiorami?

809
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.239
I don't know.

810
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:27.599
But actually, he does go on to deliver... some good performances in series 7 and his relationship with 7.

811
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:35.760
It does carry some emotional weight because in imperfection, which is the 2nd episode of series 7. and they're doing another, Oh, 7 and 9 is going to die.

812
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:39.659
And then it's like, oh, no, wait, each Eb's going to die.

813
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.699
And she says to him, stop it, you're hurting me. 1st is dead.

814
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.039
In a way that...

815
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.800
The 1st is dead. actually gives some weight to their relationship.

816
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:52.920
So I remember that does come out of this.

817
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:53.280
Yeah.

818
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.179
It wasn't.

819
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:54.960
I don't.

820
00:49:55.019 --> 00:49:56.219
Yeah, I don't think he's bad.

821
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:08.820
And in fact, I remember thinking that it's a shame because the 1st character is their big kind of antagonist and it would have been good to have a strong actor as the first.

822
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:22.320
I kept, you know, obviously we keep Icheb and he's a better performer, but it, you know, it did seem a shame that he wasn't given something more interesting to do and that the kid is not that great.

823
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.480
And like, what is this?

824
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:27.179
There's a whole thing about abandonment here.

825
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:43.739
You know, the kids never properly feel or understand that they're abandoned and in a way, what Ryan's character, what the 1st wants is for his parents to come back and start looking after him again.

826
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.239
Do you know what I mean?

827
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.820
Like there's something that they could make of this?

828
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.920
These people have lost their parents.

829
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:57.059
And now they've been abandoned by the Borg, but it all doesn't mean anything to them and they're not even aware of it.

830
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.219
Like there's something that you could do here.

831
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.800
There's just not analogous to anything.

832
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:03.239
No, no.

833
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:07.559
But I've never been surgically ordered to be a Borg and then a band...

834
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:08.099
No, no, no.

835
00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:09.360
But that's okay.

836
00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:21.119
That doesn't have to be that, but like you get the kids to play it and they're tough and stuff, but what's really happening is they're scared because they suspect they've been abandoned.

837
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:30.420
And that's something that you could play and that you could understand as an audience member and it's right there, but they don't do it, you know.

838
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:43.320
Well, I believe you see the kids again when they think Egypt's going, and now you've reminded me, they're in those very cute scenes in the haunting of deck 12 where Neelix is telling them that a story around the plasma fire, whatever it is.

839
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.719
Yeah, about whatever's going on that week.

840
00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:47.219
And then they're abandoned.

841
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:52.320
I did just notice then they did drop in a line where she said, we've contacted the ships of their races.

842
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:54.480
Yes, and we've had no responses yet.

843
00:51:54.539 --> 00:51:55.679
So that's their get out clause.

844
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:56.699
Should they turn up?

845
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.519
Yeah, yeah, or if they decide never to do them again.

846
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:03.300
Oh, thank God, they're in close. will never mention them.

847
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:08.219
Yes, yes, they've been put in terrible, terrible 90s trek casuals.

848
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.940
Been back to the gap and bought in a job load of pretty clothes.

849
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.500
Is Egypt wearing a wig?

850
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:17.820
Or is his hair grown back?

851
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.780
I mean, I hate to say this, but after all those miserable scenes on the ball cube.

852
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.380
I'm so pleased we're back in the cargo bay, I've just seen some of those gray containers.

853
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.960
I like the head taken ones.

854
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:40.920
Do you know, those costumes truly do accentuate Jerry Ryan's breasts, don't they?

855
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:42.480
I mean, that is...

856
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:45.420
They're functioning as intended, I think.

857
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.599
Do you know what?

858
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.219
This was my favourite scene in the whole episode.

859
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.139
The way she plays this for quite warmly.

860
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.000
Off you go to bed now, can you?

861
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:54.480
You know?

862
00:52:54.539 --> 00:53:00.239
But I'm glad that that's not what they decide to do with her because I think that's a little bit kind of...

863
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:02.219
We can't have the fucking Brady Bunch on Voyager.

864
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

865
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:05.880
Well, no, that'd be great.

866
00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:08.340
But these are not the Brady Bunch.

867
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.940
I mean, you think they would alert their lesson.

868
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:17.639
All those scenes of Naomi Wildman going up to aliens going, you know, I am the ambassador of Voyager.

869
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:18.000
Hello?

870
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:19.320
And I was like, oh, my God.

871
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:22.500
We're going to do that.

872
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.639
Jerry's doing a little bit of acting there as the thing closes.

873
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:39.059
Like, there's, she's, it's like, you know, the end of Scorpion, part 2, where it's just a shot of, is it part 2, where it's just a shot of her, and it's kind of like, what the fuck happens now?

874
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:40.440
Or is that the end of part?

875
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:40.739
Yeah.

876
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.119
Yeah, it's the end of part two.

877
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:44.280
And it's just kind of like, well, now what happens?

878
00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:45.000
Holy shit.

879
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:54.300
And for a 2nd she's there and she feels a little moment of apprehension about whether she can be a parent or not, and obviously it's not going to pay off because the show doesn't do that sort of thing.

880
00:53:54.360 --> 00:54:00.539
Nathan, I'm happy to report that this, the next episode did start immediately.

881
00:54:00.659 --> 00:54:02.340
It is spirit folk.

882
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:11.460
Spirit folk, and it is Tom Paris in an out of control automobile on the Paramount batlog going around like toad of total going, poop, poop.

883
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:12.960
It's really different.

884
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:13.500
Oh my god.

885
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.119
I have to turn it off quickly.

886
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.880
I'll say the season 6 of Star Trek Borger was not Trek's finest hour.

887
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:22.860
No, clearly not.

888
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.559
And this was, yeah, yeah.

889
00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.900
I think this fails in all sorts of ways.

890
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:29.940
And it just fails because it's not really about anything.

891
00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:35.099
It's about getting some children on Voyager and is that a good idea anyway?

892
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:36.840
You know, like I don't know.

893
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:42.840
Does this go down as the most boring episode we've done yet, or is that still dramatis persona?

894
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:48.780
No, I actually think Manhunt is the most boring episode because it's just got nothing going for it.

895
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:50.699
Like it's just nothing's happening.

896
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.559
It's incredibly boring.

897
00:54:52.679 --> 00:55:03.480
I think that this could have been something with a better director and just a little bit more thought, like just a little bit more effort to make anything land.

898
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:14.099
You know, there's that revelation that the 1st has deliberately not allowed e-cheb's voice modulator or whatever it is to be fixed.

899
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.760
Like he's aware that it could be fixed, but he's not doing it.

900
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.880
And he's said to E-Cheb.

901
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:25.739
When the collective come back for us they'll fix your voice then.

902
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:27.599
So he's manipulating him.

903
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:36.000
You know, but that, then nothing ever gets said of it again, it doesn't have any weight, it doesn't change Echeb's attitude to the first.

904
00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:38.699
You know, like nothing lands.

905
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.420
So it's a bunch of things that happen, but they don't happen to anyone.

906
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:47.159
They're not afraid to turn Janeway into a one-dimensional psychotic this season.

907
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:48.659
It happened a few times already.

908
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:57.119
But what I should have done was just like, had a, on the sly, injected those kids with the toxin and then said, right, we'll send them back to the Borg.

909
00:55:57.179 --> 00:55:58.500
They're beyond redemption, you know?

910
00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:07.980
See, there is, again, that's that thing where she's got the poison in one hand and the baby in the other hand and she's looking like a maniac and then nothing happens.

911
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:08.820
Would not be boring.

912
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:16.260
But like, you know, I'm like, I'll bring up tubics again because it's an ending that people still debate and disagree on now.

913
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.260
But, you know, nobody forgets.

914
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.219
No one's going to remember this.

915
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:21.539
No.

916
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:22.079
Yeah.

917
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:23.639
Including us.

918
00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:25.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

919
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:28.559
Yeah, next week, we'll have no idea what we were talking about, I think.

920
00:56:28.619 --> 00:56:30.239
What's the episode that we covered this week?

921
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.500
I don't know.

922
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.300
It had Borg children with no pants on.

923
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:48.840
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out what on earth we're going to be watching next.

924
00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:55.679
I chose I chose Voyager last week, uh, which turned out okay.

925
00:56:55.739 --> 00:57:01.500
And now it's your turn to pick Joe. So what series are we choosing from?

926
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:05.099
It means you are entirely responsible for the Yawn Fest we just watched.

927
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.840
I'll try and do better.

928
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.800
Exactly if I can.

929
00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:21.659
Well, look, I feel as if we've done a lot of 90s trek lately, so I can't believe I'm saying this, but I've taken all of the 90s trek out of the randomiser and we're left with the original series, animated series and Kurtzman trek.

930
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:22.980
Okay.

931
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:27.719
And to be fair, we've done a nice broad spectrum of quality as well.

932
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:34.019
Because we did Change of Face of Evil, that we loved, remember me, that we loved, but then also collective.

933
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.619
The episode of Enterprise from series 3, Proving Grounds.

934
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:38.519
Proving ground.

935
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.000
Okay.

936
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:40.679
No, yeah, yeah.

937
00:57:40.739 --> 00:57:41.639
Yeah, I thought it was okay.

938
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:43.260
There was stuff to talk about anyway.

939
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.800
So let's see where we get with everybody else.

940
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:55.260
Okay, your random Star Trek, the original series episode is season two, episode seven.

941
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.280
Cats Paw.

942
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:03.239
I've heard of that, but I'm not quite sure what it is. don't have a clue what that's about.

943
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.199
No, it's the 1st episode with Chekhov.

944
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.840
And it has magical people.

945
00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.179
Our castle and magical people.

946
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.739
I think I've seen this and I think it's probably garbage.

947
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.840
But I could be wrong.

948
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:20.699
It could be absolutely suburb.

949
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:24.179
Let's press it again. although that does magical people.

950
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.800
That does sound great.

951
00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:32.400
With your random Star Trek Lower Decks episode is season three, episode four.

952
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:33.900
Room for growth.

953
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.500
We've actually rolled this before and I quite like it.

954
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.780
And it has 2 plots.

955
00:58:39.840 --> 00:59:02.820
There's one where the lower deckers are trying to get an upgrade to the room that they, you know, an upgrade to their quarters because they live in that corridor and stuff and they're competing with Delta Shift or something to try and get this new room in the room lottery when they learn that it's available.

956
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:11.340
It's the one where a masks type incident has just happened on board. on the Cerritos.

957
00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:13.980
See, that's smart enough to have the Apple off screen.

958
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.860
No, it doesn't happen offscreen, you do see it.

959
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:31.199
And then so the engineering crew have to go to a sort of rest cure in a spa and they kind of refuse to rest and the captain gets more and more tense.

960
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:32.280
It is pretty funny.

961
00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:36.360
I have watched it recently and I do like it quite a lot, but, uh...

962
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.659
I would like to do that, but I have just pressed the button one more time.

963
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:40.260
Okay, good.

964
00:59:40.260 --> 00:59:40.500
Yep.

965
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.960
And it's landed on something quite interesting.

966
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:44.280
Oh, what?

967
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:44.699
All right.

968
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:48.179
Because it's a back door pilot for something else, I think.

969
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.119
Oh, a random star.

970
00:59:51.179 --> 00:59:55.980
The original series episode is season two, episode 26, Assignment Earth.

971
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.000
Yeah.

972
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.019
I love that.

973
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.639
I've never watched. seen that episode.

974
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:01.440
I have seen it.

975
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:06.059
And obviously it gets referenced in series 2 of Picard.

976
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:09.659
Mm. as a thing.

977
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.059
I think we should.

978
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

979
01:00:13.019 --> 01:00:17.460
It's the original series, even when it's Scotty on murdering a load of people.

980
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:18.179
Stabbing people.

981
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:18.840
Yeah.

982
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.500
We have fun, whatever it is.

983
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:23.099
Yeah.

984
01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:23.460
Yeah.

985
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:24.719
What you think?

986
01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:26.460
Yep, I say do it.

987
01:00:34.019 --> 01:00:39.000
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

988
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:45.539
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

989
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:51.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Siserran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

990
01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:57.179
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of August 2023, and released on the 25th of August.

991
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:02.340
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, Assignment Earth.

992
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:21.059
Okay, assignment Earth, here we come.

993
01:01:22.019 --> 01:01:24.239
All right, brilliant.

994
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:27.539
Ah...

995
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:28.440
I really fancy...

996
01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:29.940
We rolled that before, actually.

997
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.460
We've rolled room for growth before, but we've got something against it.

998
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:51.239
Well, except it, let me just tell you that at the moment, we are well overrepresented in Lartex, we have done 4 out of 24 episodes.

999
01:01:51.300 --> 01:02:00.300
So that's 16.67% compared to original series where we've done 10%.

1000
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.199
Oh, okay.

1001
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:02.039
That's fair then.

1002
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:02.579
Yeah.

1003
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.260
And we have overall done 9.51%.

1004
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.579
So...

1005
01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:10.320
Nearly at 10%.

1006
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:12.239
We're nearly a 10% overall.

1007
01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:20.219
Underrepresented, uh, enterprise, Voyager, would you believe?

1008
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:26.639
And because there's a lot of Voyager, you know, and we've done some of it and the films, which we should do at some point.

1009
01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:28.679
Well, Christmas is coming, you know.

1010
01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:33.780
We did one a year. special special special.

1011
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.880
Well, it takes us a special.

1012
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:40.019
If it takes us, you know, a year and a half to 10%, what a year is about, right?

1013
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1014
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:42.539
Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

1015
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.739
That's kind fair enough.

1016
01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:49.320
Yeah, prodigy actually is 15.79% because we've done 3 hours of 19.

1017
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:54.840
I know, but I think we just choose it, like, who knows what comes along next?

1018
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:57.239
I will be choosing Strange New Worlds fairly soon.

1019
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.760
Yeah, that's 15%.

1020
01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:02.340
That's still slightly below lower date.

1021
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:03.300
Where's DF 4 in that?

1022
01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:06.900
18 out of 173.

1023
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:08.579
Marvel, I think.

1024
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:15.900
No, but we've done 14 next gen and 13 Voyager. you know, they're comparable runs.

1025
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:17.400
You know what I mean?

1026
01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:20.519
So, yeah. anyway, that's kind of a fun thing.

1027
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:23.519
I wasn't gonna, we can't let that make us decide.

1028
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:24.539
Do you know what I mean?

1029
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:25.800
That's just more information.

1030
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:26.820
It doesn't matter, you know.

1031
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:28.199
It's so weird.

1032
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:33.420
The more the more we're doing, boy, the more I realise, you know, a lot of people just say, oh, it's just a lot of the same.

1033
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:35.820
There are specific periods of the show.

1034
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:38.820
The 1st so the pill of 2 years.

1035
01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.380
Yeah.

1036
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:47.699
Where they're trying to do something DS9 and lie, then the Jerry Taylor season where it's all...

1037
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:58.619
Then the Brannenbraga, Berman, 4 and 5, where they're trying to jazz it up a bit and make it a bit more exciting.

1038
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.139
And then the last 2 years, which are...

1039
01:04:01.139 --> 01:04:04.980
It's kind of like they're just churning the shit out, waiting out the clock.

1040
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.300
Yeah, it's a bit depressing, isn't it?

1041
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.159
We can't do them all.

1042
01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:13.019
Yeah, yeah.