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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are in pretty grim territory right now in the Delta

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Quadrant.

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We are just after the middle of season six.

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This is the only Star Trek game in town you told us at the end of

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last week's episode.

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And how do we think things are going?

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You and I have a bit of a fan, you know, in Tom Selinski.

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He's doing these marvellous trek a day tweets and blog.

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He's up to this point, isn't he, poor bastard?

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He's about where we are now, yeah.

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And bless him.

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His 5 star reviews are a thing of the past. you know.

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Well, yeah.

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Okay, so here's what's happening in series six, season six.

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Sorry, I would say serious. is that we kickstart season 6 with a 4

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episode run, which is about as strong as Voyage has ever been.

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Ron Moore's on board and he's like, right, let's go.

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We're going to do some serious storytelling, you know, amazing

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characterisation.

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He does one episode and says, I, doing this shit anymore.

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He's in the writer's room and he's going, well, why is Jay Wade

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behaving like a psychotic?

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What's the reason?

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And they're like, well, it's just good telly.

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Okay.

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Oh my god.

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I'm going to go and write Battlestar Galactica.

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See you later.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Thank God he didn't stick around.

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We may never have got that.

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But then it does mean that Braga is still in charge.

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Right.

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And what happens as a result after those 4 episodes is we're in

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absolute concept of the week episodes right through to the end of

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the season.

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And it veers between being genuinely very good, stuff like Blink

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of an eye and Pathfinder.

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And I think the Muse is another really strong episode.

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And memorial and things like that. and just the worst Star Trek we

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have ever seen.

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And that's stuff like Alice featuring Tom Paris's very own version

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of Christine.

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Yes.

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Virtuoso, where we go down to the planet of the small people who

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are obsessed with the doctor singing, spirit folk where Janeway

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creates an electronic dildo to have sex with.

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I quite like that bit.

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And Harry kisses a cow.

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Don't forget that.

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And, you know, love it or hate it.

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Self would have 9 fights the rock.

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That could be the point where Voyager sort of sold out

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completely.

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No, that's glamorous.

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I'm up for that That's superb.

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Get the rock in, you know, before he's famous. somewhere in the

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midst of all of this.

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We have collective.

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Yeah.

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And this is on the back of many, many Borg episodes of Star Trek

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Voyager, where they have been neutered to the point of

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insignificance.

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Where we're bringing in a bunch of little kitty winks for the

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series.

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Yeah.

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So, like, I don't think that this has to be a bad episode.

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But I have to say...

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Yeah.

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I had to say it kind of is.

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And I think part of the problem is like, you know, we go on board

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the Borg cube and it's just somewhere we've been so many times

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before.

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And remember how I said, when we did Scorpion, I actually thought

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that the Borg cube, even then, even though it was the 1st time

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that Voyager had done it, that it was kind of a boring, it was

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like a sort of boring environment.

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It's something that had been done and it had been sort of recently

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done in a film.

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It was done incredibly well in Qhu, where they had babies in

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drawers, which I think, woo, more of that later.

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So I don't think this had to be terrible, but I don't know why

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it's quite so boring.

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And I think partly is there's no atmosphere, there's no pace

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there's no tension.

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It's just a lot of people standing around and, you know, even the

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action sequences, you know, Voyager always does this thing where

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they're sort of shouting and dramatic light on the bridge and

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stuff and we're having a fight for some reason or whatever

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boring.

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Yeah, yeah, they can normally do that Well, but this is so

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stately.

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It's not stately.

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It just plodding in the way it's directed.

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I think.

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I watched this on the 1st 10 minutes.

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I remember messaging you going.

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Do you know what?

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This isn't awful.

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It's not great, yeah.

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But I'm intrigued to see how this is going to pan out.

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This is before the kids arrive.

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I'm like, you know, the shit's being driven in a strange way.

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You know, the Borg are behaving in an unusual way.

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What could possibly be the cause of all this?

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Then the kids arrived, and then we're in sort of very lame, very

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lame moral dilemma territory.

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Because it's not even played out like a moral dilemma, weirdly

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enough.

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No, well it doesn't go anywhere.

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There is something that looks like... are long past, aren't they?

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Well, no, it's the days of I boil, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And again, it doesn't tend to go anywhere.

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There is a sort of very dramatic scene where Janeway looks like

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she's going to do something and then she just doesn't and nothing

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really happens.

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And like a whole heap of things happen, but they're completely

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weightless and they don't have any consequences.

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And then we kill off the bad guy because obviously that has to

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happen and we take the kids on board.

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And I'm just not sure what they thought they were doing with the

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kids.

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I figured they were giving 7 or 9 a family on Voyager.

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Like, that's what it appears to be at the end, where she goes into

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the room, says good night, turns the light out.

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I'm like, okay, they're going to sort of play this out and I'll

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give them the credit that they allow for consequences.

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Yeah.

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Which is a very unvoyagery sort of thing to do.

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Yeah, I mean, the other thing is that they kind of want to gesture

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at being a generational ship, you know, that was always the idea

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but we know they're going to get 7 seasons, and so there isn't

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really time for it to be a generational ship.

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And they have the Naomi Wildman thing where Ensign Wildman gives

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birth and then, you know, a couple of months later, the child's 10

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you know, like Alexander or whatever, and that just seems

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ridiculous.

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Like that's daytime soap opera kind of territory.

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And then we get some kids on board some other way.

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And like, I think, you know, just basically having echeb at the

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end of all this is not a bad thing, you know, I don't think that's

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a terrible thing.

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I think they've kind of fudged the consequences because 2 or 3

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episodes later, they jettison 3 of the children and go, well, we

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just come to passing your planet.

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So there you go, off you go.

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And then they keep Egypt.

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But then they do a stunning episode where each of is almost

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written out, featuring one of the best rug pools forger ever

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managed to do within an episode.

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And then sort of each app's role in the last episode then is to be

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like the Wesley Crusher of the ship, isn't it?

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Right.

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Sort of the, the, the kid who's learning all the rules of the

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Federation and, you know, has a few moments where he is a bit of a

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rebel with Q's son and, you know, it's all that stuff going on.

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I'll tell you the problem with this, is it's execution.

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More than anything, and it's a massive problem with Voyager in

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series 6, because I'll tell you what, there are some other fun

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premises around this time.

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There's an episode coming up called Live Fast and Prosper, which

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has the astonishing premise of 3 people posing as Janeway, Chevok

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and I think it's Milix.

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And going around pulling comms on people, saying we're going to

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save your planet if you give us, I don't know, a $1000000 or

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whatever it is.

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It's so boring.

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It's so lead leadenly directed and weakly plossed.

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And I just think there is a... a relaxed feeling amongst the

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Voyager production crew at the moment that they know they're the

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only trick on the air and they can sort of churn it out for the

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next 2 years because they know Enterprise is coming as well.

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Okay.

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And it really isn't good enough.

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Because some of this stuff is good.

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But I think some of it could have been extremely good if the

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people behind the scenes were, I don't know, given a bit of

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energy.

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It's sad.

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It's really sad.

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And it's sad because this was always just time to shine.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's out from under the kind of.

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Well, I mean, it was always sort of a bigger deal, I guess, than

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Deep Space 9, you know, like it had launched this new network, all

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of that sort of thing.

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And it was the sort of Star Trek thing while Deep Space 9 was off

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doing its own thing over here.

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But, I don't know.

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What's odd is 44 and 5 is where I think Voyages at is best, where

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the storytelling is pretty strong and where the execution is at

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its best as well.

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And then it just feels like 6 stars in a really strong place.

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And then everyone just sort of gives up the rest of the rum.

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Sorry, folks.

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So this one is directed by someone who doesn't come back. you know

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and there's nearly no information about it on memory alpha, so we

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don't know why that person doesn't come back, but perhaps it's

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because even, even for that production crew, this was just not

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very well done or not good enough.

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It's legend, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm excited.

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Should we go?

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As ever, you know, I'll say this every time we approach a

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particularly dreary episode of Star Trek. the fact that you're as

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miserable as I am watching it makes it all the more tolerable.

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That's exactly right.

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Okay.

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All right, I'm going to count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You know, as if to make it even worse, you know, we open with the

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sequence featuring...

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The worst rubber and the other terrible Robert, who's recently

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outed as a complete homophobe, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Too bad Roberts.

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The 2 worst Roberts, Harry and Neelix.

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And Neelix, I think, is doing the best job here, but this is some

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really, really shitty Voyager banter.

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And like it's so bad.

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And like you kind of want Neelix to be playing them, don't you?

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Because Neelix is smart and he survived and he was always a little

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bit more dodgy than he led on like early on in the show.

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You know, like he was a little bit more of a sort of, you know

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shadowy, not shadowy figure, but a bit of a con man, a little bit

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you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And a past and stuff like that.

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No, no, no.

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And because he's played by Ethan Phillips, who can't help being

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lovely and cuddly sort of thing.

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And so, but none of that lands, like none of that, like all of

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this is so boring.

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No one's funny.

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No one's saying anything interesting.

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Well, you open Q-Hoo with a poker game among some great characters

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and then you have sequences on a Borg ship featuring children.

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We've done all this before.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I know you think Harry Kim is pretty, but...

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He's not a great actor, though, Nathan.

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No, but he, I think he's better, I'd sooner watch him than the

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worst Robert.

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Like this line and I had a full house.

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That's supposed to be a funny line.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, and Neelix has gone, oh, I've got a flush.

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Does that beat, you know, DuPair or whatever?

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And all of this is, like, who gives a shit, honestly.

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This is so boring.

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Back about, you know, Bunter, we were had a change of face of evil

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you know, that's what happens when you share your toys.

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You know what, really fun stuff?

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That's how you do it.

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Well, also, like there was a, like, you know, some understanding

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that the poker games in Star Trek, the Next Generation were, like

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had something to do with the character.

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They had a point every time they did it.

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There was a point.

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And it was usually geared into the plot of the episode.

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Yeah, that's right in the episode, you know?

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Yeah, and sometimes it's a little bit obvious or whatever.

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Like, it's not always the most sort of subtle or clever thing

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because it's Star Trek, the next generation.

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But this was nothing.

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This was wasting time.

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But the joy of those scenes as well in the next generation was

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that it was downtime for all those characters. where they all got

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to be a little bit relaxed in a way they never are on the bridge

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you know?

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Whereas this bunch practically slouch around on the bridge.

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There's no difference.

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Well, they're doing that miserable band that they do, which is

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just absolutely butt clinchingly terrible.

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It's so bad.

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Like, it's like the writers have never met people before.

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Like, how do people interact?

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I don't know.

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You know.

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And it's like because they're from the future and they've all got

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a salary.

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Yeah that's because they're... people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And if they've just been normal.

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If they've just been like the people on discovery or on strange

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new worlds, you know, that we just don't do the space people thing

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anymore in Star Trek and I'm so relieved because it's so

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terrible.

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What's the most obvious thing they could do at the end of that pre

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title sequence?

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Oh, our ball cubes come along. okay?

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Well, we haven't done that 15 times this season already.

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So has one been this season?

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Well, we seen a cube?

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No one, the episode.

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Oh no, that's season four.

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Is that season?

305
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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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So that's a while back.

308
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Yeah, so what's happening here?

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Oh, yeah, so this, like this is super boring.

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And like no one reacts to the fact.

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So Harry's, there's an explosion down there, like Shields, like

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the camera is super static and really boring.

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There's no handheld, there's no nothing.

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Doesn't Harry Kim end up stuck in that Jeffrey Street for about

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half an hour?

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Most of the episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For ages. to show how essential he is to the story.

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Well, he goes unconscious and then no one seems to notice.

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Like, he goes unconscious and they kind of dismiss it.

321
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Yeah, see, this is fun, isn't it?

322
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Look at that.

323
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It is a bit of a cartoon though.

324
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No, I'm going to say something not kind, but I'm going to try and

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find an excuse for Robert Belgium.

326
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And that is because he's doing this secret, but he's done this a

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100 times already.

328
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Yeah.

329
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Oh, fire photons, you know, evasive actions.

330
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How many exciting ways can you play that?

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So, Harry, Harry, we go, Harry, Harry, and then we forget about

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him and continue with what we're doing, like, no one, do you know

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what I mean?

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Like that's nothing, no consequences.

335
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Now we're about to be...

336
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I know this is an episode of origination.

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They know he's going to be all right.

338
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so, and again, like we're about to be, I'm like that shot

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though, going inside the queue there.

341
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It doesn't look it does look epic, I think.

342
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Yeah, it looks a bit cartoony though, doesn't it?

343
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Now, look, this is a dream sequence. objected to in Scorpion when

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the camera was heading around the ball cube.

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No, you see, at least that that's starting to look like 1st

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contact, that thing where we do have handheld and we do have a

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fish eye lens and a little bit of distortion.

348
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And it turns out, no, in fact, we're in a much more boringly

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directed version of the Borg cube, the Neelix's dream was

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depicting.

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You know, what's especially galling about that little sequence

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there is, you know, Chakotay's there in Borg, Regalia turns around

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and it's supposed to be like a bit of a shock.

354
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It's not.

355
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That's exactly where we end at the end of the season.

356
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Oh, it's so shit too.

357
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That final shot of them all looking.

358
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You want to talk about... making it dog makeup.

359
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There's no drama there at all.

360
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Bulgrew sort of turns around.

361
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Obviously, she's got a bull cap on and everything.

362
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She turns around as if to say, I've done 5 hours and it's fucking

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makeup for this light.

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To be continued.

365
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And the yellow is really bad.

366
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What a bad idea. holy crap.

367
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One thing that astonishes me, this is written by this teddy bear

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is written by Michael Taylor, okay?

369
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He did the 1st pass on in the Pale Moonlight, the visitor.point.

370
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He wrote counterpoint.

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Like he wrote some of the best of 90s Trek.

372
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What happened?

373
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Yeah, oh, look it.

374
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What's but what's with B'lana's hair?

375
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Is this her season 6 hair?

376
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Is that what's happening here?

377
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Oh, she's got one of those things that gives you volume and they

378
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had a power surge on Voyage.

379
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It's sort of very shaggy.

380
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It's really bad. but I do think K-Moll cruise hair looks

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astonishingly good.

382
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No, I will always like her longer hair when it's tied back or when

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she has a French curl or something like that.

384
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I think that she just looks like a normal American lady that's

385
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American lady hair and I just think it's super boring.

386
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It's worth poisoning out as well.

387
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Like, you and I did Scorpion and we did the Raven, and there was a

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point in this show where they were giving Jerry Ryan consistently

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excellent material to do.

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They realised what a fantastic actress they'd had and they they

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actually they delivered on the promise of that pandemic by giving

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her good stuff to do.

393
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We have passed that point now.

394
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Well, in fact, look how boring and staid this is.

395
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This is the thing I was talking about before, the standard low

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lighting voyager, you know, we're attacking people kind of thing

397
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and it happens all the time.

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But it just is people standing around talking about a space

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battle.

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Like there's no space battle hafting here.

401
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And there's no feeling of anything.

402
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There's no pace that like the music is nothing.

403
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Like the music is so nothing in this episode. made a point of that

404
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didn't I?

405
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Because I feel like you get towards the clothes.

406
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I feel like the, the music is trying to be pacy, but it's so

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quiet.

408
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And it's so, so lazy.

409
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You know what, Nathan?

410
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There isn't even any rocks coming out of consoles.

411
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A lot of things, Kate.

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Like, here's Kate, at least, giving, you know, giving us some

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muscular threats, which I just absolutely adore.

414
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That's pretty great.

415
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I think we've got to the point.

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Going back to my point about 7 to nine.

417
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I think that we got to the point where they know she's popular, so

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they think if they give her screen time, no matter what they give

419
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it to do, people are going to be invested.

420
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Yeah, so like, why is Bilana, why is Bilana on the bridge?

421
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No, well, because she ain't got much to do since Stefan's coming.

422
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

423
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She's contractually obliged to be on the bridge this week because

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otherwise she wouldn't be in it.

425
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In fact, I'll tell you what, the tide is turning because Bilana

426
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gets barge of the Dead and the Muse in series 6 and that's 2 of

427
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the strongest episodes.

428
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So it's almost like they remember after a couple of seasons.

429
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Oh, yeah, we've got Roxanne Dawson here as well.

430
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
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She's pretty good.

432
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We'll give her sights.

433
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So now everyone's born of 7 of nine.

434
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And, you know, think about that for a second.

435
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Seven of 9 in Picard.

436
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How could we ever be bored of 7 of nine?

437
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

438
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Well, look, one thing about this saying that I couldn't stop

439
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looking at was those 3 people standing with their backs to us, at

440
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the consoles, just, they're not even, they're not even reacting to

441
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being in this space battle.

442
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There's pork here.

443
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They're just sort of standing around pressing buttons.

444
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It's fine.

445
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They're scenery, like whatever.

446
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It looks very bored, saying it is console, but that's just too

447
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rough.

448
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Yeah, that's right.

449
00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:06.779
Well, yeah, yeah.

450
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Do you know what?

451
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There was at one point where you had to give a tactical line

452
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reading.

453
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Okay.

454
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And he delivered it in a very unusual way.

455
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And I just thought maybe that's just Tim Russ going, I'm going to

456
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have some fun.

457
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I got one line in this.

458
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Yeah, see, again, this should be scary and creepy, but it isn't

459
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because it's just the same old corridors.

460
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Everything's, you know, like there's no sort of particular close

461
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ups and stuff.

462
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That yellow light is fucking ugly as hell.

463
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Awful.

464
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Do you know, when we did this in a scorpion.

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Because you remember that was a dead cube that they were going

466
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around. yeah But it was almost in darkness.

467
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There was a strobe light going off.

468
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And there was at least a ball sort of reaching out at them and

469
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stuff like that.

470
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There was stuff in it.

471
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Nothing.

472
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So I think I've said on Untitled Star Trek Project at one point

473
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that I liked it when the Borg used to keep babies in drawers.

474
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Do you remember that you remember where they open the drawer and

475
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there's a baby in there and they go, ooh, and then they close the

476
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drawer again?

477
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So now we have a baby that they've shoved in a drawer.

478
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.980
Yeah, like a literal baby that they've put in sort of Borg rompers

479
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or whatever.

480
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Okay.

481
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Now, whose choice was it to make the children be naked?

482
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And who put Mazotti in like, like, these pants?

483
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Like, as if they were trying to kind of make, like, sex are up or

484
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something?

485
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and she's like a fucking 10 year old.

486
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Like she's got one leg completely bare.

487
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The boys?

488
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Why are they half naked?

489
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I don't know, because we've never seen ball this naked before.

490
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Yeah, yeah.

491
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But like it's because they're, you know, not out of their mat.

492
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So the clothes is the last thing that comes in in the maturation

493
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chamber.

494
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Like, it's such a bad choice. in order for the sort of ill choices

495
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that they made from season 6 of Voyager to season 4 of

496
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Enterprise.

497
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This may have been one of the most still judged.

498
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Jesus Christ.

499
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So I'm just going to try and find out.

500
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I don't think I have anything positive to say about any of these

501
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actors.

502
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So I may avoid that topic because I spend far too much time

503
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criticising children actors.

504
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So I think the kids, like, I think it's cute that they have these

505
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twin boys, like, but were they ever going to do anything, they

506
00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:38.579
must have known when they cast them that they were basically

507
00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:40.259
doing...

508
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:41.579
Did they do haunting of date?

509
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:44.160
No.

510
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:45.119
Oh, yeah.

511
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.900
Yeah.

512
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.660
So they they're being told that story, aren't they?

513
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.019
Are they?

514
00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:50.819
That's at the end of the season.

515
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.559
They must have stuck around longer than I thought.

516
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:54.000
Oh, okay.

517
00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:55.680
Okay, but they just weren't in it.

518
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:56.819
They would be off doing something.

519
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.339
But sorry to throw in a Doctor Who reference.

520
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.279
It's the twin dilemma effect, where they've insisted that they

521
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.519
have a pair of twins, whether they can act or not, and they

522
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:05.880
can't.

523
00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:06.359
Yeah.

524
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.059
So, so it's a bit interminable.

525
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.119
And I said this to you off, Mike, there are a couple of sequences

526
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:14.220
where Jerry Ryan's given it a rule.

527
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.119
Then the camera swings round onto the kids, sort of standing there

528
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:19.799
looking like they need a bit of direction.

529
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.680
And stays on them for about 10 seconds.

530
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.559
Like, come on, we'll get a reaction shot out of them eventually

531
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.359
and it's just never forthcoming.

532
00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:29.039
It's very...

533
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.019
You know, they say never...

534
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.539
They never work with kids and animals.

535
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.619
There's a reason for that.

536
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:39.180
Yeah, look, I mean, I don't think, like, the children aren't

537
00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:42.599
really required to do much, and it is just the 1st an e-cheb that

538
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:44.220
uh, sort of interesting.

539
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:45.720
The kid who plays.

540
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.920
Actually, one thing that I did like was this weird thing that they

541
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.359
do with Icheb's voice.

542
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:55.140
Oh, the sort of distorted...

543
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:58.200
Yeah, like just moments of distortion and stuff when he's saying

544
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.240
sort of vows and things.

545
00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:03.299
And it goes unremarked for a little bit and then we have to

546
00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:03.960
mention it.

547
00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:05.819
And I kind of liked it.

548
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.500
Like, I thought it was sort of interesting.

549
00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:10.920
But in a story...

550
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:12.660
Yeah.

551
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.400
In a series which has taken a ball character and over several

552
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.180
seasons allowed her to become a human being again.

553
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:27.299
In a series that has done all of these weird things with the Borg

554
00:24:27.299 --> 00:24:29.099
now to just bring in a bunch of kids.

555
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.460
It's like, will the Borg ever be scary again?

556
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:35.819
And we can't, they, they, they almost make it in Picard.

557
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.259
I not sure they're entirely successful.

558
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:42.000
Because they make them the ultimate good guys on the university.

559
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:42.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

560
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:44.099
Yeah, it's very hard.

561
00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:47.279
It just feels, you know what I said to you before, I was sort of

562
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:52.680
detailing the path of how badly they were done over time.

563
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:55.920
I just think this is another step in that direction of neutering

564
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.579
them completely.

565
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.539
Yeah.

566
00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:02.160
Is it that you can only do them a couple of times that there

567
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.200
aren't that many things you can do with the Borg?

568
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:05.400
That can't be right.

569
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:07.140
I don't think so.

570
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.019
I think you can overuse them and that's the problem.

571
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.319
So they're trying to find interesting things to do with them and

572
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:14.519
not much of its landing.

573
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.779
No, but I mean, I mean, part of the problem is that the kids just

574
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:19.680
look stupid.

575
00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.519
Like it's the costumes just look ridiculous.

576
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:28.500
And, and they can't do the bald cat thing with the kids, like they

577
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.859
do it a bit with the elder, like the older boys, but they don't do

578
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:35.579
it with young boys and they don't do it, you know, with Marley.

579
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.259
Like she's just got her hair.

580
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.900
Like, I don't know.

581
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.240
Like the Borg stopped being horrifying.

582
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.740
Don't they?

583
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.839
And they're not even that kind of physically gross.

584
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:52.619
Because remember, one of the things I think that that 1st contact

585
00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.920
does with the Borg is that it makes them into zombies, like, and

586
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.319
and so they're more cadaverous.

587
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:02.759
Remember, they're just kind of white skinned, like pale white in

588
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:03.359
their 1st experience.

589
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.220
Wow, that would be kind of horrific here.

590
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:09.299
Because the concept that these are children that have been torn

591
00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:12.420
from their homes and turned into these, you know, emotionless

592
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:14.880
automatons, it's a scarier idea.

593
00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:16.380
So why is none of this scary?

594
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.720
Yeah, and they don't even touch on it.

595
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:21.420
They don't want to touch on it and maybe just having the children

596
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:22.200
thing.

597
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:27.119
Like, they've done it by having seven, you know, assimilated when

598
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.140
she's a little girl.

599
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.599
Yes, that was terrifying.

600
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:34.259
That scene where she's in the shuttlecraft and they take the

601
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:36.839
parents and then she's under the console and they come for her.

602
00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:41.039
The implication of what is going to happen to her is far scarier

603
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.900
than anything you've seen. anything.

604
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.039
Yeah.

605
00:26:44.099 --> 00:26:48.599
And so now we're doing so they caught a virus, a spaceborne virus

606
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.519
which we can now reactivate.

607
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.279
And remember what the virus was.

608
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:57.059
Like, the great thing about I Borg.

609
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:58.799
That's what it's called, isn't it?

610
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:06.299
That then gets fucked up by descent is that they intend to infect

611
00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:14.339
hue with a three-dimensional image that has a weird flaw in it

612
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:17.099
that is going to cause some computational problem.

613
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.980
And like that's visually in, like I don't even know what that

614
00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:20.220
means.

615
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.940
It's visually interesting and it's like the diagram that Geordie

616
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.579
shows and then just how he describes it.

617
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.660
That's super interesting.

618
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:31.259
And then it turns out what they infect you with is individuality.

619
00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:33.960
And that's going to go back and change the Borg.

620
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:35.460
And that's super interesting as well.

621
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.539
The drama in that episode is how everybody reacts to using that.

622
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.940
Some people are appalled, but they would be thinking about doing

623
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:42.240
it.

624
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:45.299
You know, and then you've got the consequences of best of both

625
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:47.759
world in there as well, that seems hard and human.

626
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:49.859
See, between Picard and Gynan as well.

627
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:50.640
What about?

628
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:56.880
Honestly. and it is high drama in terms of the, of the, highest

629
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:57.420
quality.

630
00:27:57.420 --> 00:28:02.759
And then there's this, which has got the same idea because they do

631
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.400
have a sequence where they, where J-Wo's holding the baby later

632
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.140
and more on that baby later.

633
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:09.660
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.500
And they're talking and she's got like the poison in one hand and

635
00:28:13.500 --> 00:28:14.160
the baby in the other.

636
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.579
She looks like she's going to go full Ahab, you know, and then she

637
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:20.400
kind of goes, ah, yeah, no, maybe we won't use that like in the

638
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.420
next scene or something.

639
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.160
It's just like, dramatised.

640
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:23.759
Is it at all?

641
00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:24.359
No, no.

642
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:25.140
Yeah.

643
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:27.960
So Harry's awake.

644
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.700
Looking pretty.

645
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.819
He's just very decorously, like a couple of little burns, but

646
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:36.119
otherwise, thankfully, on Mars.

647
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:39.359
He's got to stay looking for a see because he hit that top 100 of

648
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.500
sexiest men.

649
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.519
Yeah, wow.

650
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.900
But I can't ever have him looking too, too.

651
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.559
Pretty man.

652
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.900
It's the only reason he's still in the fucking show.

653
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.339
That's right.

654
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.160
They just take it out on him by never promoting him.

655
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:57.539
Please, please, can they just put it in a line somewhere in Kurt's

656
00:28:57.539 --> 00:28:58.859
control that he's still an ensign?

657
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:04.619
You know that he's a captain, though, in the final episode, which

658
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:05.160
never happened.

659
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.319
The beats of the episode that never happened.

660
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:09.240
I say, I'll pretend that never happened then.

661
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:09.900
Yeah.

662
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.799
I can.

663
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.180
Yeah.

664
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.480
So I want to make a proposal negotiating with the ball.

665
00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:21.839
We've done all this in Scorpion, like...

666
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:25.019
The only thing that's different is a bunch of kids, which makes it

667
00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:26.640
you know, completely less interesting.

668
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:29.400
And so the deflector array.

669
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:32.519
Like they take, they, they're supposed to give them the deflector

670
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.900
array, because that's what happens in 1st contact where the Borg

671
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:41.160
use the deflector array, and we have those scenes on the deflector

672
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.359
array, which are so cool, uh, but which we couldn't afford for

673
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:45.720
this.

674
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:49.019
It makes me really sad because the last Borg episode we watched

675
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:50.039
War Scorpion.

676
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.460
And I just think they were handled so brilliantly in that.

677
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.519
Oh, I'm not sure in the space of 2.5 seasons.

678
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.259
We've got from there to here.

679
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.160
To this.

680
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:06.180
Well, and it is literally because Scorpion saw a spiking ratings.

681
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.740
This is popular.

682
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:08.819
Keep doing it.

683
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.799
Keep milking the Borg.

684
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:12.660
Ooh, Nathan.

685
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:13.079
Yeah.

686
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:16.680
Look, look at this.

687
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:19.859
This actor here playing, you know, the villain of the piece.

688
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:20.460
The first.

689
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.200
He's particularly bad, isn't he?

690
00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:25.319
Well, yeah, like I think he's okay.

691
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:29.039
He's very babyfaced, which is actually kind of what we're going

692
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:29.460
for.

693
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.460
And they do sort of ugly him up a little bit more.

694
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.579
Like he is looking a little bit more cadaverous and a bit more

695
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:39.900
borgish. you know, with things in his head and all of that and the

696
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:41.339
mottled skin, you know.

697
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.640
No, he's just shoved Kate Mulgar up against the set there.

698
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:45.599
Yeah, yeah.

699
00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.839
As we've discussed on other episodes, you know, she's got quite a

700
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.200
temper.

701
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.559
When they said car, you imagine what she said to him.

702
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:54.480
You do that to me again.

703
00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:59.880
I just like the idea that she was this fabulous diva on the set

704
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:01.319
you know, horrible to everyone.

705
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:02.519
I know she wasn't.

706
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:04.740
I like to pretend she was.

707
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:10.559
I think I think this is long past the point as well, where she has

708
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.279
beef with Jerry Ryan, because that's fitted into the show and it

709
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:15.660
did help to make the show popping.

710
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.319
And I think somewhere along the line, Mulgrew got over herself and

711
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.420
Jeremy Ryan started dating Brennan Bragger.

712
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.440
It was a producer.

713
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right.

714
00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:25.500
So she couldn't be mean to her anymore.

715
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.160
It was never his looks.

716
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.039
It was always his role and the shield that he offered.

717
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:34.859
Actually, it's quite a pretty guy, right, right?

718
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.019
Oh, so what is happening here?

719
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.019
Like they're just standing around describing the Borg to each

720
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:40.319
other.

721
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.700
As you know, Bob, the Borg are very predictable.

722
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.819
Oh, no, it's so boring.

723
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.319
We could save Harry.

724
00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:56.460
I'll have to say, Kate Malkra's acting ability to look concerned

725
00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:59.220
for Garrett Wag is astonishing.

726
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.200
No, he's doing good here.

727
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:02.400
There he is.

728
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:04.440
Look, saying lines, looking pretty.

729
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:05.880
That's what you're paying for.

730
00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:08.759
I'm doing a lot of comparing it, but I do just want to show sort

731
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.380
of how the show's gone downhill.

732
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.799
Remember when we watched the killing game and he was all bloody

733
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.940
and sweated up and he was in the guts of the ship and he was...

734
00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. explosions.

735
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.940
Yeah, so there's no physicality to this, is there?

736
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.140
You know, there's no, like there are no explosions on the bridge.

737
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.920
You know, there's a few lights going off and stuff, but there's no

738
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:32.759
urgency.

739
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:33.960
There's no physicality.

740
00:32:34.019 --> 00:32:34.740
There's nothing.

741
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.799
Sorry. lots going off.

742
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.660
That's the best we can do folks.

743
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.220
Someone on the light switch.

744
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:45.180
Nathan, I'm going to say it again, though.

745
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.180
It's because enterprise is coming and they know it and they know

746
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:49.980
they've just got to ride out the next 2 years.

747
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:50.819
Right.

748
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.119
This doesn't have to be a success anymore.

749
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:56.039
It's got the channel up and running.

750
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.019
It's had its moment in the sun.

751
00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:02.519
They can just literally dash off some of the shows.

752
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:04.799
Yeah.

753
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:08.819
It's almost accidental that they achieve as many good episodes as

754
00:33:08.819 --> 00:33:10.140
they do in those last couple of years.

755
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.000
And there ain't, you know, in terms of classics.

756
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:17.880
I'd say there's 2 or 3 in terms of very good, 10 maybe, and the

757
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.000
rest of you are middling to very poor.

758
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.500
Yeah, okay.

759
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.200
Yeah, yeah.

760
00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:29.220
I mean, I watched one because I couldn't remember it and because

761
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:33.420
he, you know, it's the Nazi, you know, plays the drone.

762
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.920
Is it one or drone?

763
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.079
Are you forget a drone?

764
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:37.619
Yeah, drone.

765
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.759
Maybe I'm thinking of drone.

766
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:39.599
What's one then?

767
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.640
One is the one...

768
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.359
That's her on her own.

769
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.519
It's a walking around the ship all your own.

770
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.880
It's basically Jerry Ryan just acting in empty sets.

771
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:51.180
Solid gold, as far as I'm concerned.

772
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.200
Yeah.

773
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.619
You've got none of the boring extraneous regular surrounder.

774
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.119
That's it.

775
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.160
Only the best Roberts involved.

776
00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:03.180
Jake May gets a scene at the beginning and the end.

777
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.559
And in fact, when she sits down at the beginning of the episode

778
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.719
she don't want to be around anybody and at the end of the episode

779
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.320
she sits down with her friends. sits down with them and eats or

780
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:13.500
something.

781
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.940
So she's got a point down.

782
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:15.719
Yeah, yeah.

783
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:19.079
Yeah, okay.

784
00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:21.179
But like...

785
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:23.039
So are we supposed to think we're going to go on the same journey

786
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.219
with all these kids that we did with 7 of nine?

787
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.960
because they've all got individuality, haven't they?

788
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.440
Yeah, because they haven't been properly matured or something they

789
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.880
haven't been fully assimilated.

790
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:35.340
And in fact, there is some interesting, there's a sort of

791
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:41.340
intriguing thing that that she says that 7 says about how her

792
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:44.460
experiences are Borg and the striving towards perfection or

793
00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:50.280
whatever, that there's something that she's taken from that, that

794
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.960
like it's a source of strength for her.

795
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:58.260
Like, and and, um, the kids don't have that, you know, because

796
00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:00.780
they've never properly been part of a collective.

797
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.360
Yeah, here's the Voyager crew, ready for them to join.

798
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:08.400
Yeah, yeah.

799
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.679
Like, I don't know.

800
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:13.619
It just seems like a dumb idea because you've already done seven.

801
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.039
You don't want to put 7 in a maternal role because one of the

802
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.460
things that's interesting thing about her is that she's not just

803
00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:24.599
someone's mum, you know, or someone's girlfriend, like so many

804
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:25.619
women on television.

805
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.480
Um, And that she's got this sort of strong, interesting primary

806
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.360
relationship with another woman on the show.

807
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:37.139
You know, the, you know, not a sexual relationship.

808
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.460
I mean these two, you know, acting together, you know, they're 2

809
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:44.880
of the best performance, performers on the show, they can kind of

810
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.099
nearly make everything work. don't know.

811
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.199
There was a time in series 4 and 5 where scenes between these 2

812
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:53.579
sizzled.

813
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.239
Like, you didn't know if they were going to snuck each other

814
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.800
whether she was going to throw 7 of 9 out of an airlock, like, they

815
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.659
were tense and it crackled.

816
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.699
This is so boring.

817
00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:06.780
Yeah, yeah.

818
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.659
But this is the scene where she says something interesting.

819
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.519
This is the scene that I was talking about.

820
00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:15.960
So she talks about what happens in Dark Frontier and the Raven

821
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.119
because we see 2 versions of those, don't we?

822
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:22.199
And then she has the experience in the maturation chamber or

823
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:28.019
whatever, and then she finds it as, like, it's a source of, of

824
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:34.320
strength now, that her what she got from the Borg is something

825
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.699
that she depends on.

826
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.980
And like, I think that's a bit of a recon.

827
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.039
It's like not a very clever speech because we've never seen any

828
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:41.699
sign of it.

829
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.320
And it doesn't, it doesn't explain anything that we've seen about

830
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.199
her, but it is odd.

831
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:52.920
It is them going back and thinking about, you know, how is she

832
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.480
going to be different from these kids?

833
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.599
Yes.

834
00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:58.320
Yeah.

835
00:36:58.380 --> 00:36:59.519
Yeah, I don't know.

836
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:02.340
I'm not sure, I'm not sure what's about that, because I was sort

837
00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:05.099
of looking at the dialogue there as that played out, and I was

838
00:37:05.099 --> 00:37:07.380
like, there's nothing here we haven't actually seen already.

839
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.119
Why are we talking about this again?

840
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:10.199
Yeah.

841
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.760
And I know it's because it leans into the issue of the week, this

842
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.559
week, but I don't know.

843
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:19.679
I just feel like I just feel like we're on a merry-go-round, you

844
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.599
know, we're going round and round with this thing.

845
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:25.320
And the more we go around, the less interesting it gets.

846
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.760
Yeah, yeah.

847
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:32.519
Certainly, you know, I don't think, you know, like technically, oh

848
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.559
here we are in what's it called?

849
00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:38.280
not stalocostometry, astromatrics, where the big PowerPoint

850
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.239
presentations happen.

851
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.000
Oh, look, he's using the playing cards to mark his room.

852
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:45.780
Oh, I'm like, what?

853
00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:46.199
What's that?

854
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.380
It's being used literally.

855
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.800
But but what even is it?

856
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:54.300
Like, who does that?

857
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.059
And why are we saying what cancer?

858
00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:57.360
What?

859
00:37:57.420 --> 00:37:59.760
Like, this is not, like, that makes no sense.

860
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:01.920
Like, it just makes no sense.

861
00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:07.139
And like, I actually like the scene where Mazzotti, you know, has

862
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:11.039
been collecting the cards behind him and she holds up the queen

863
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:12.659
and says, I like her.

864
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.219
I think that's good.

865
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:19.739
That's a little good moment, you know, but, like, to get there, we

866
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:22.679
have to go through this stupid thing where Harry, like, is just

867
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.179
sticking cards in the wall.

868
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:24.900
Like, what?

869
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:25.380
What's happening?

870
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:26.760
A head of a line.

871
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:28.079
They just gave tube out there as well.

872
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:31.920
You know, he goes, all cubes may have a sense of menace, and, but

873
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.320
they're not haunted houses or they're not haunted.

874
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.380
I'm like, yeah, but these scenes don't have a sense of menace.

875
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.159
That's the problem.

876
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:38.699
They don't.

877
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.800
They absolutely don't have a sense of menace.

878
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:42.780
Yeah, and I know you mentioned it.

879
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.639
It's this yellow light they use everywhere.

880
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:47.460
It means the whole thing is just overlit, you know?

881
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:48.840
Yeah.

882
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.559
You can see a bit too much that it's a tiny set rather than a vast

883
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:52.920
space.

884
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:57.539
And that the kids' outfits are just ridiculous.

885
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.579
Like the kids look stupid.

886
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:04.079
Like, and that's the, that's probably another sort of offbeat

887
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:04.739
reference there.

888
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.059
It's the most inappropriate costuming since Torch was cyberwoman.

889
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.780
And anyone who hasn't heard of that, use Star Trek fans, go and

890
00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:13.380
Google it.

891
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.260
Yeah, Google it or don't.

892
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.440
As inappropriate as this.

893
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.900
No, she's of age, so it's less inappropriate, I guess.

894
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.980
Yeah.

895
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:26.940
Now, in a second, the baby is coming back.

896
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:30.179
So the baby's sick and it's it's a dolly.

897
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.380
It's clearly a dolly because the head sort of shifts about quite

898
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:37.679
alarmingly and it does remind me of the wonderful tale that Marco

899
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.179
Lame Motels when he had the baby in covenant and the circuits went

900
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:47.460
crazy and it started spasming and he was trying to act the scene

901
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:49.739
out with the baby going through.

902
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:54.300
And I think it has a little wobble when Janeway holds it later

903
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:54.780
isn't it?

904
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.139
It's really bad and hideous.

905
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.019
Not as bad as that CGI though, aren't you?

906
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:02.940
Oh my god.

907
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.320
Oh my god.

908
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:05.579
And so here it is.

909
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.860
The animatronic baby.

910
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.739
Surely there's someone on the production crew that was willing to

911
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:14.820
loan them their newborn or someone on the production crew who had

912
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:19.320
actually seen a baby before and would be able to say, actually

913
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.820
that doesn't look very much like a baby.

914
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.059
I mean, top boy, she sells it.

915
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.219
Oh, poor Marley.

916
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.980
Look at Marlene, girl, trying to...

917
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:34.679
Oh, it's so miserable, a poor kid.

918
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.659
And the other 2 coming behind her.

919
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.199
The twins looking astonished, but without any astonishment as

920
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:40.380
well.

921
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.880
No, the one, they're looking concerned or and maybe, or maybe it's

922
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:45.300
wind.

923
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.300
The baby.

924
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.360
And so the baby literally disappears.

925
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:57.539
So we never mentioned the baby again.

926
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.519
It never appears in another episode.

927
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:01.320
It doesn't stop moving.

928
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:03.480
It's not...

929
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.460
And not Elaine as well.

930
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.179
They had to redub the whole scene because the servos were

931
00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:09.900
literally like...

932
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:11.340
We're making it a grinding noise.

933
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.079
But the baby disappears.

934
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:18.119
Just completely disappears is never mentioned again.

935
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:20.219
Yeah, of course.

936
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:21.960
Yeah, no, never once.

937
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:28.619
And and like Braga says, oh, we it left in an offscreen scene.

938
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:32.699
And it's just like, well, like this is a TV show.

939
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.920
There are no offscreen scenes.

940
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.380
You just didn't, they didn't leave.

941
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.400
It's still there.

942
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:42.179
Just never mentioned again.

943
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.300
Wow, maybe it comes back for revenge or something.

944
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.139
Yeah, see, I think these, the kid meets Harry and goes, you left

945
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:49.440
these.

946
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:49.980
I like her.

947
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.659
I think that's really...

948
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.900
I don't know whether that's meant to be menacing or what, but it's

949
00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.519
kind of sweet, I think.

950
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:57.239
I like her.

951
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:58.500
She looks like 7 of nine.

952
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.460
Offer, you've got more taste for this cloying children's stuff

953
00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:03.119
than I do.

954
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:06.840
You know, like, but like I think she's doing okay.

955
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:11.940
Like, you know, I can women be okay. in detail, watching Once Upon

956
00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:16.079
a Time, featuring Neelix and Naomi Wildman and their fairy tale

957
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.579
adventures in the Holodeck.

958
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.039
Oh, Trebus and Flodder.

959
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:21.119
Right.

960
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:25.679
And, you know, all those scenes of Alexander in TNG season six.

961
00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:28.739
Oh yeah, but there's that great episode, isn't there?

962
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:29.820
What's the one?

963
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.139
Well, cost of living.

964
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.960
That's the one that I feel was on a time is trying to do.

965
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:36.900
Yeah, yeah, oh, I definitely think that's what's happening for

966
00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:37.139
sure.

967
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.500
And of course, the most cloying of all, Molly O'Brien.

968
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.440
And in my room.

969
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:48.539
Rump off, Phil, Kim. that's so cute.

970
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.940
She's so adorable.

971
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:52.440
With that tiny voice.

972
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:53.639
It's so funny.

973
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:57.360
It's so wonderful Now, look, watch the baby now. honestly.

974
00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:59.820
The head, the head sort of jarringly.

975
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.880
Oh, no, it's awful.

976
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:04.260
It's gross.

977
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.940
It's not quite as bad as that dog.

978
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.980
Do you remember that dog they added a night in sick bass?

979
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.280
and you're in the balls. a dog.

980
00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:14.039
With a hole in its head.

981
00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:18.239
You know, did you did you see that?

982
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.400
Actually, it feels appropriate to mention this as well.

983
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:24.119
That thing that was posted on Twitter this week about someone

984
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:29.219
talking about 90s trek, saying, you know, Star Trek nowadays has a

985
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:32.820
cinematic look about it, and it's not the sort of wobbly treked

986
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:34.199
Star Trek of old.

987
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:36.179
And I think they're not talking about the original series.

988
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.380
No, I don't think they are.

989
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:39.119
They're talking about the us.

990
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:42.179
Well, I'm watching it now, and I can tell you, there's a little

991
00:43:42.179 --> 00:43:44.099
bit of rusty in what they're saying.

992
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:47.159
No, no, absolutely.

993
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:49.019
I've been saying that for ages.

994
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:50.400
This looks boring.

995
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:52.800
And I like that, though.

996
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:54.300
I like that.

997
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.599
Like that weird thing where he's kind of got foil on his neck or

998
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.300
something or there's foil under his skin, you know, like they've

999
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:00.780
done something.

1000
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.300
But again... scorpion.

1001
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.480
Yes, and it's really weightless because it never really goes

1002
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.760
anywhere, but I think visually that looks interesting.

1003
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:12.480
That's more interesting than just giving him sort of Borg things

1004
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.619
all over him.

1005
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:14.699
That's something new and different.

1006
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:17.880
Like, I, you know, I'm going to mention...

1007
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:23.400
But yes, quickly because DSI was doing entirely original things in

1008
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:24.300
this last couple of years.

1009
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:28.079
And they are just churning out the same bollocks that we've seen

1010
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.539
over and over again, and I just don't think it's good enough.

1011
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.739
Yeah.

1012
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:37.260
And but what I also wanted to say was I just came down hard on 90s

1013
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:41.519
visually, but actually, some of Last Day Voyager, stuff like that

1014
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.139
Frontier, killing game, things like that.

1015
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.300
They could put the money on the screen as well.

1016
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1017
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.260
Yeah, and even if it was, you know, like it's always going to be

1018
00:44:49.260 --> 00:44:52.980
period CGI, it always is, you know, I reckon there are things on

1019
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:56.639
Strange New World, where it's kind of like, I'm going to let that

1020
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.599
pass, but essentially that's a kind of very clearly obvious

1021
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.480
special effect or that's not that great or like whatever.

1022
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:04.559
That's Star Trek.

1023
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:06.059
I think that was...

1024
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.719
Remember me last week and were those wonderful sequences of gates

1025
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.940
flying through the air towards that vortex.

1026
00:45:12.539 --> 00:45:14.400
And even today, that looks pretty good, isn't it?

1027
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1028
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:16.260
Yeah, I agree.

1029
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:20.280
Okay, what's happening now?

1030
00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:24.059
Look, the camera is literally just in the corner of this. just...

1031
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.599
Yeah, yeah, it's just standing there looking at the fact that this

1032
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:28.800
boy has no pants on.

1033
00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:31.619
I wonder if they got the rushes in them just for like, what's she

1034
00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:31.860
doing?

1035
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.860
Yeah, she's just this is so boring.

1036
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:35.940
Look at that shot.

1037
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.559
Look at that shot.

1038
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:39.239
They're all just standing around.

1039
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:42.119
That is how 80s Doctor Who was sure.

1040
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:46.139
Very theatrically with everybody in the shot in a line.

1041
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.659
One big shot with like, you know, how or everyone in it standing

1042
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:52.320
around.

1043
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:57.659
It looks so cheesy and so shit. like 50 science fiction?

1044
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.360
If it's a...

1045
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.820
An older director, just using older... don't know.

1046
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.900
Yeah, I don't know.

1047
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:04.679
Don't know.

1048
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.659
Or maybe she thinks sci-fi is looks crap and stagey.

1049
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.079
Like you and I, we have talked a lot about direction in 90s Street

1050
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.840
but we have mentioned that it can be very good at times as well.

1051
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:19.679
So this isn't the norm. this bad.

1052
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:23.340
No, I think this is much worse than like that was the thing that

1053
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:25.260
struck me more than anything else last night.

1054
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:29.400
I've obviously seen this before, but this is me seeing it for the

1055
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:30.659
1st time in ages.

1056
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.980
And look at that.

1057
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.380
That's really cartoony, the CGI too.

1058
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.199
Can I ask you then, because I'm boring.

1059
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.159
It looks boring.

1060
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:41.099
You might have been at the pub with your friend Peter yesterday

1061
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:43.980
mentioning that he really likes this episode.

1062
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:44.760
Did he say why?

1063
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:46.440
No, I don't know.

1064
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:47.099
I don't know.

1065
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.179
He says, I can't remember, but he had some good things to say

1066
00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:51.719
about it.

1067
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:56.699
But I was just struck by how how plotting it is.

1068
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.619
It's boring, I think.

1069
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.659
I might ask him, you know, when this comes out.

1070
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:01.679
Maybe it gives me.

1071
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:02.699
Yeah, yeah.

1072
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:06.360
We demand and explain yourself. why you like this?

1073
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:10.260
Oh, there's an over the shoulder shot there.

1074
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.280
Yes.

1075
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:12.179
Whoa.

1076
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:17.039
But like we're not going to see the the viewscreen because that'll

1077
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.579
cost us money.

1078
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.340
Look, look, right to the corner of the set there, in that sort of

1079
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:20.880
alcove.

1080
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.579
No, what's happening?

1081
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.420
Is there a guy there?

1082
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.940
to the side of the bridge.

1083
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.579
There's an alcove where someone's sitting in it pressing buttons.

1084
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.659
Because we, that's how often shoot on at the regulars where

1085
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:34.079
they're sitting.

1086
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:36.000
We don't often see that, man.

1087
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:38.579
He must feel a little bit underrepresented.

1088
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:43.320
Oh dear.

1089
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:46.500
Oh, that was so shit.

1090
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.539
They're wobbling.

1091
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.719
They're wobbling acting now, the camera's wobbling.

1092
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.239
Oh, overloading the shield matrix.

1093
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:56.579
Oh, not the shield matrix.

1094
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.320
Look, the girl seems very upset about the shield matrix.

1095
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:06.539
Tim Ross just went, the shield fluctuations are dropping.

1096
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.539
Oh, he's dying inside.

1097
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.880
Boosting the confinement beam.

1098
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000
He really deserves an award for this.

1099
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:18.000
This is so it's so miserable.

1100
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:19.860
Poor old Tim.

1101
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:20.760
Holy shit.

1102
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:24.539
Even Janeway got in on it, then amplify the shield pulse.

1103
00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:29.760
I bet Bilana was like, I do the techna babble.

1104
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:30.179
All right.

1105
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.340
Oh, dear idea.

1106
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.000
So we're just, so this, we're all just standing around.

1107
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:40.619
We're all just standing around.

1108
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:46.079
Oh my god, like, say someone, yes, lower the shield.

1109
00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:48.719
I reckon there hasn't been a line for about 3 minutes.

1110
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:50.280
It hasn't been about the shields.

1111
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:51.719
It's so boring.

1112
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:58.320
So we're kind of acknowledging that the lack of drama is in both

1113
00:48:58.320 --> 00:48:59.820
the direction and the script.

1114
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.519
Oh, this is really bad too.

1115
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.019
Like, what's the kid doing?

1116
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.360
So this is the...

1117
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.039
To try and draw a positive out of this.

1118
00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:14.639
I do think that Manu, how do you say his surname?

1119
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:15.960
I don't know.

1120
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:16.860
Interiorami?

1121
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.239
I don't know.

1122
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:25.019
But actually, he does go on to deliver... some good performances

1123
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:27.599
in series 7 and his relationship with 7.

1124
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.019
It does carry some emotional weight because in imperfection, which

1125
00:49:31.019 --> 00:49:34.800
is the 2nd episode of series 7. and they're doing another, Oh, 7

1126
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.760
and 9 is going to die.

1127
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:39.659
And then it's like, oh, no, wait, each Eb's going to die.

1128
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.699
And she says to him, stop it, you're hurting me. 1st is dead.

1129
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.039
In a way that...

1130
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.320
The 1st is dead. actually gives some weight to their

1131
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:49.800
relationship.

1132
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:52.920
So I remember that does come out of this.

1133
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:53.280
Yeah.

1134
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.179
It wasn't.

1135
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:54.960
I don't.

1136
00:49:55.019 --> 00:49:56.219
Yeah, I don't think he's bad.

1137
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:01.619
And in fact, I remember thinking that it's a shame because the 1st

1138
00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:06.539
character is their big kind of antagonist and it would have been

1139
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:08.820
good to have a strong actor as the first.

1140
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.719
I kept, you know, obviously we keep Icheb and he's a better

1141
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.159
performer, but it, you know, it did seem a shame that he wasn't

1142
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.880
given something more interesting to do and that the kid is not

1143
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.320
that great.

1144
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.480
And like, what is this?

1145
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:27.179
There's a whole thing about abandonment here.

1146
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:33.960
You know, the kids never properly feel or understand that they're

1147
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:38.940
abandoned and in a way, what Ryan's character, what the 1st wants

1148
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:43.380
is for his parents to come back and start looking after him

1149
00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:43.739
again.

1150
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.239
Do you know what I mean?

1151
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.820
Like there's something that they could make of this?

1152
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.920
These people have lost their parents.

1153
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.659
And now they've been abandoned by the Borg, but it all doesn't

1154
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:57.059
mean anything to them and they're not even aware of it.

1155
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.219
Like there's something that you could do here.

1156
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.800
There's just not analogous to anything.

1157
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:03.239
No, no.

1158
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:06.900
But I've never been surgically ordered to be a Borg and then a

1159
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:07.559
band...

1160
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:08.099
No, no, no.

1161
00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:09.360
But that's okay.

1162
00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:13.619
That doesn't have to be that, but like you get the kids to play it

1163
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:18.119
and they're tough and stuff, but what's really happening is

1164
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.119
they're scared because they suspect they've been abandoned.

1165
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:25.320
And that's something that you could play and that you could

1166
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.219
understand as an audience member and it's right there, but they

1167
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:30.420
don't do it, you know.

1168
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.019
Well, I believe you see the kids again when they think Egypt's

1169
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:36.780
going, and now you've reminded me, they're in those very cute

1170
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:39.840
scenes in the haunting of deck 12 where Neelix is telling them

1171
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.320
that a story around the plasma fire, whatever it is.

1172
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.719
Yeah, about whatever's going on that week.

1173
00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:47.219
And then they're abandoned.

1174
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:50.039
I did just notice then they did drop in a line where she said

1175
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.320
we've contacted the ships of their races.

1176
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:54.480
Yes, and we've had no responses yet.

1177
00:51:54.539 --> 00:51:55.679
So that's their get out clause.

1178
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:56.699
Should they turn up?

1179
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.519
Yeah, yeah, or if they decide never to do them again.

1180
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:03.300
Oh, thank God, they're in close. will never mention them.

1181
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.500
Yes, yes, they've been put in terrible, terrible 90s trek

1182
00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:08.219
casuals.

1183
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.940
Been back to the gap and bought in a job load of pretty clothes.

1184
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.500
Is Egypt wearing a wig?

1185
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:17.820
Or is his hair grown back?

1186
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.940
I mean, I hate to say this, but after all those miserable scenes

1187
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:21.780
on the ball cube.

1188
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.360
I'm so pleased we're back in the cargo bay, I've just seen some of

1189
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.380
those gray containers.

1190
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.960
I like the head taken ones.

1191
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:40.139
Do you know, those costumes truly do accentuate Jerry Ryan's

1192
00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:40.920
breasts, don't they?

1193
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:42.480
I mean, that is...

1194
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:45.420
They're functioning as intended, I think.

1195
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.599
Do you know what?

1196
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.219
This was my favourite scene in the whole episode.

1197
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.139
The way she plays this for quite warmly.

1198
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.000
Off you go to bed now, can you?

1199
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:54.480
You know?

1200
00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.119
But I'm glad that that's not what they decide to do with her

1201
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.239
because I think that's a little bit kind of...

1202
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:02.219
We can't have the fucking Brady Bunch on Voyager.

1203
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1204
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:05.880
Well, no, that'd be great.

1205
00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:08.340
But these are not the Brady Bunch.

1206
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.940
I mean, you think they would alert their lesson.

1207
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.539
All those scenes of Naomi Wildman going up to aliens going, you

1208
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:17.639
know, I am the ambassador of Voyager.

1209
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:18.000
Hello?

1210
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:19.320
And I was like, oh, my God.

1211
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:22.500
We're going to do that.

1212
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.639
Jerry's doing a little bit of acting there as the thing closes.

1213
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:31.320
Like, there's, she's, it's like, you know, the end of Scorpion

1214
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:37.019
part 2, where it's just a shot of, is it part 2, where it's just a

1215
00:53:37.019 --> 00:53:39.059
shot of her, and it's kind of like, what the fuck happens now?

1216
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:40.440
Or is that the end of part?

1217
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:40.739
Yeah.

1218
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.119
Yeah, it's the end of part two.

1219
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:44.280
And it's just kind of like, well, now what happens?

1220
00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:45.000
Holy shit.

1221
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:48.360
And for a 2nd she's there and she feels a little moment of

1222
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.300
apprehension about whether she can be a parent or not, and

1223
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:53.699
obviously it's not going to pay off because the show doesn't do

1224
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:54.300
that sort of thing.

1225
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:59.579
Nathan, I'm happy to report that this, the next episode did start

1226
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:00.539
immediately.

1227
00:54:00.659 --> 00:54:02.340
It is spirit folk.

1228
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:07.139
Spirit folk, and it is Tom Paris in an out of control automobile

1229
00:54:07.139 --> 00:54:11.219
on the Paramount batlog going around like toad of total going, poop

1230
00:54:11.219 --> 00:54:11.460
poop.

1231
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:12.960
It's really different.

1232
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:13.500
Oh my god.

1233
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.119
I have to turn it off quickly.

1234
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.639
I'll say the season 6 of Star Trek Borger was not Trek's finest

1235
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:20.880
hour.

1236
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:22.860
No, clearly not.

1237
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.559
And this was, yeah, yeah.

1238
00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.900
I think this fails in all sorts of ways.

1239
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:29.940
And it just fails because it's not really about anything.

1240
00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:34.199
It's about getting some children on Voyager and is that a good

1241
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:35.099
idea anyway?

1242
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:36.840
You know, like I don't know.

1243
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.219
Does this go down as the most boring episode we've done yet, or is

1244
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:42.840
that still dramatis persona?

1245
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:46.860
No, I actually think Manhunt is the most boring episode because

1246
00:54:46.860 --> 00:54:48.780
it's just got nothing going for it.

1247
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:50.699
Like it's just nothing's happening.

1248
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.559
It's incredibly boring.

1249
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:58.019
I think that this could have been something with a better director

1250
00:54:58.019 --> 00:55:01.860
and just a little bit more thought, like just a little bit more

1251
00:55:01.860 --> 00:55:03.480
effort to make anything land.

1252
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:07.380
You know, there's that revelation that the 1st has deliberately

1253
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:13.440
not allowed e-cheb's voice modulator or whatever it is to be

1254
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:14.099
fixed.

1255
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.760
Like he's aware that it could be fixed, but he's not doing it.

1256
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.880
And he's said to E-Cheb.

1257
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:25.739
When the collective come back for us they'll fix your voice then.

1258
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:27.599
So he's manipulating him.

1259
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:32.159
You know, but that, then nothing ever gets said of it again, it

1260
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.699
doesn't have any weight, it doesn't change Echeb's attitude to the

1261
00:55:35.699 --> 00:55:36.000
first.

1262
00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:38.699
You know, like nothing lands.

1263
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.059
So it's a bunch of things that happen, but they don't happen to

1264
00:55:42.059 --> 00:55:42.420
anyone.

1265
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.960
They're not afraid to turn Janeway into a one-dimensional

1266
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:47.159
psychotic this season.

1267
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:48.659
It happened a few times already.

1268
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.380
But what I should have done was just like, had a, on the sly

1269
00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:56.340
injected those kids with the toxin and then said, right, we'll

1270
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.119
send them back to the Borg.

1271
00:55:57.179 --> 00:55:58.500
They're beyond redemption, you know?

1272
00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:03.659
See, there is, again, that's that thing where she's got the poison

1273
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:06.179
in one hand and the baby in the other hand and she's looking like

1274
00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:07.980
a maniac and then nothing happens.

1275
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:08.820
Would not be boring.

1276
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.119
But like, you know, I'm like, I'll bring up tubics again because

1277
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:16.260
it's an ending that people still debate and disagree on now.

1278
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.260
But, you know, nobody forgets.

1279
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.219
No one's going to remember this.

1280
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:21.539
No.

1281
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:22.079
Yeah.

1282
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:23.639
Including us.

1283
00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:25.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1284
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:28.440
Yeah, next week, we'll have no idea what we were talking about, I

1285
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:28.559
think.

1286
00:56:28.619 --> 00:56:30.239
What's the episode that we covered this week?

1287
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.500
I don't know.

1288
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.300
It had Borg children with no pants on.

1289
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:46.440
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1290
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.840
work out what on earth we're going to be watching next.

1291
00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:55.679
I chose I chose Voyager last week, uh, which turned out okay.

1292
00:56:55.739 --> 00:57:00.480
And now it's your turn to pick Joe. So what series are we choosing

1293
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.500
from?

1294
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:04.739
It means you are entirely responsible for the Yawn Fest we just

1295
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.099
watched.

1296
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.840
I'll try and do better.

1297
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.800
Exactly if I can.

1298
00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:10.920
Well, look, I feel as if we've done a lot of 90s trek lately, so I

1299
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.760
can't believe I'm saying this, but I've taken all of the 90s trek

1300
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.260
out of the randomiser and we're left with the original series

1301
00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.659
animated series and Kurtzman trek.

1302
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:22.980
Okay.

1303
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:27.480
And to be fair, we've done a nice broad spectrum of quality as

1304
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:27.719
well.

1305
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:31.500
Because we did Change of Face of Evil, that we loved, remember me

1306
00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:34.019
that we loved, but then also collective.

1307
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.619
The episode of Enterprise from series 3, Proving Grounds.

1308
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:38.519
Proving ground.

1309
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.000
Okay.

1310
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:40.679
No, yeah, yeah.

1311
00:57:40.739 --> 00:57:41.639
Yeah, I thought it was okay.

1312
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:43.260
There was stuff to talk about anyway.

1313
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.800
So let's see where we get with everybody else.

1314
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:52.980
Okay, your random Star Trek, the original series episode is season

1315
00:57:52.980 --> 00:57:55.260
two, episode seven.

1316
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.280
Cats Paw.

1317
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:02.219
I've heard of that, but I'm not quite sure what it is. don't have

1318
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:03.239
a clue what that's about.

1319
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.199
No, it's the 1st episode with Chekhov.

1320
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.840
And it has magical people.

1321
00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.179
Our castle and magical people.

1322
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.739
I think I've seen this and I think it's probably garbage.

1323
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.840
But I could be wrong.

1324
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:20.699
It could be absolutely suburb.

1325
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:24.179
Let's press it again. although that does magical people.

1326
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.800
That does sound great.

1327
00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:31.559
With your random Star Trek Lower Decks episode is season three

1328
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:32.400
episode four.

1329
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:33.900
Room for growth.

1330
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.500
We've actually rolled this before and I quite like it.

1331
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.780
And it has 2 plots.

1332
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:47.400
There's one where the lower deckers are trying to get an upgrade

1333
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.840
to the room that they, you know, an upgrade to their quarters

1334
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:56.219
because they live in that corridor and stuff and they're competing

1335
00:58:56.219 --> 00:59:00.780
with Delta Shift or something to try and get this new room in the

1336
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:02.820
room lottery when they learn that it's available.

1337
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:08.340
It's the one where a masks type incident has just happened on

1338
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:11.340
board. on the Cerritos.

1339
00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:13.980
See, that's smart enough to have the Apple off screen.

1340
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.860
No, it doesn't happen offscreen, you do see it.

1341
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:25.019
And then so the engineering crew have to go to a sort of rest cure

1342
00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:30.539
in a spa and they kind of refuse to rest and the captain gets more

1343
00:59:30.539 --> 00:59:31.199
and more tense.

1344
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:32.280
It is pretty funny.

1345
00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:35.400
I have watched it recently and I do like it quite a lot, but

1346
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:36.360
uh...

1347
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.239
I would like to do that, but I have just pressed the button one

1348
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:39.659
more time.

1349
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:40.260
Okay, good.

1350
00:59:40.260 --> 00:59:40.500
Yep.

1351
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.960
And it's landed on something quite interesting.

1352
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:44.280
Oh, what?

1353
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:44.699
All right.

1354
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:48.179
Because it's a back door pilot for something else, I think.

1355
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.119
Oh, a random star.

1356
00:59:51.179 --> 00:59:55.440
The original series episode is season two, episode 26, Assignment

1357
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:55.980
Earth.

1358
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.000
Yeah.

1359
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.019
I love that.

1360
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.639
I've never watched. seen that episode.

1361
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:01.440
I have seen it.

1362
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:06.059
And obviously it gets referenced in series 2 of Picard.

1363
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:09.659
Mm. as a thing.

1364
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.059
I think we should.

1365
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1366
01:00:13.019 --> 01:00:16.980
It's the original series, even when it's Scotty on murdering a

1367
01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:17.460
load of people.

1368
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:18.179
Stabbing people.

1369
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:18.840
Yeah.

1370
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.500
We have fun, whatever it is.

1371
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:23.099
Yeah.

1372
01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:23.460
Yeah.

1373
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:24.719
What you think?

1374
01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:26.460
Yep, I say do it.

1375
01:00:34.019 --> 01:00:37.860
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1376
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:39.000
and Nathan Bottomley.

1377
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:42.480
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1378
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.539
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1379
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.559
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Siserran, and the theme was

1380
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.239
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1381
01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:55.860
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of August 2023, and released

1382
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:57.179
on the 25th of August.

1383
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.719
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series

1384
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.340
Assignment Earth.

1385
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:21.059
Okay, assignment Earth, here we come.

1386
01:01:22.019 --> 01:01:24.239
All right, brilliant.

1387
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:27.539
Ah...

1388
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:28.440
I really fancy...

1389
01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:29.940
We rolled that before, actually.

1390
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.039
We've rolled room for growth before, but we've got something

1391
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:35.460
against it.

1392
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:42.960
Well, except it, let me just tell you that at the moment, we are

1393
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:50.639
well overrepresented in Lartex, we have done 4 out of 24

1394
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:51.239
episodes.

1395
01:01:51.300 --> 01:01:59.639
So that's 16.67% compared to original series where we've done

1396
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:00.300
10%.

1397
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:01.199
Oh, okay.

1398
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:02.039
That's fair then.

1399
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:02.579
Yeah.

1400
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.260
And we have overall done 9.51%.

1401
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.579
So...

1402
01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:10.320
Nearly at 10%.

1403
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:12.239
We're nearly a 10% overall.

1404
01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:20.219
Underrepresented, uh, enterprise, Voyager, would you believe?

1405
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:24.059
And because there's a lot of Voyager, you know, and we've done

1406
01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:26.639
some of it and the films, which we should do at some point.

1407
01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:28.679
Well, Christmas is coming, you know.

1408
01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:33.780
We did one a year. special special special.

1409
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.880
Well, it takes us a special.

1410
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:39.059
If it takes us, you know, a year and a half to 10%, what a year is

1411
01:02:39.059 --> 01:02:40.019
about, right?

1412
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1413
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:42.539
Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

1414
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.739
That's kind fair enough.

1415
01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:48.900
Yeah, prodigy actually is 15.79% because we've done 3 hours of

1416
01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:49.320
19.

1417
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:54.179
I know, but I think we just choose it, like, who knows what comes

1418
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:54.840
along next?

1419
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:57.239
I will be choosing Strange New Worlds fairly soon.

1420
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.760
Yeah, that's 15%.

1421
01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:02.340
That's still slightly below lower date.

1422
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:03.300
Where's DF 4 in that?

1423
01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:06.900
18 out of 173.

1424
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:08.579
Marvel, I think.

1425
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:15.000
No, but we've done 14 next gen and 13 Voyager. you know, they're

1426
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:15.900
comparable runs.

1427
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:17.400
You know what I mean?

1428
01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:20.519
So, yeah. anyway, that's kind of a fun thing.

1429
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:23.519
I wasn't gonna, we can't let that make us decide.

1430
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:24.539
Do you know what I mean?

1431
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:25.800
That's just more information.

1432
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:26.820
It doesn't matter, you know.

1433
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:28.199
It's so weird.

1434
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:31.500
The more the more we're doing, boy, the more I realise, you know, a

1435
01:03:31.500 --> 01:03:33.420
lot of people just say, oh, it's just a lot of the same.

1436
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:35.820
There are specific periods of the show.

1437
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:38.820
The 1st so the pill of 2 years.

1438
01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.380
Yeah.

1439
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.159
Where they're trying to do something DS9 and lie, then the Jerry

1440
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.699
Taylor season where it's all...

1441
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:55.199
Then the Brannenbraga, Berman, 4 and 5, where they're trying to

1442
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:58.619
jazz it up a bit and make it a bit more exciting.

1443
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.139
And then the last 2 years, which are...

1444
01:04:01.139 --> 01:04:04.679
It's kind of like they're just churning the shit out, waiting out

1445
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:04.980
the clock.

1446
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.300
Yeah, it's a bit depressing, isn't it?

1447
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.159
We can't do them all.

1448
01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:13.019
Yeah, yeah.