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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back at my 1st love when it comes to Star Trek, which is Star Trek the Next Generation, and we're in series 4, and I was looking at the list and they're all episodes that I know really well.

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And while they're not all absolute bangers, they are solidly competent and entertaining all the way through.

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And I think this is the part of Star Trek, the Next Generation that is kind of fondly remembered by people.

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You know, the kind of one off high concept episodes.

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It's where they've got the standalones just right, you know?

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The characters are confident enough to hold up the episodes well, more on that later.

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And they're playing about with fun ideas.

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You know, they're throwing in, well, we're gonna turn the regulars into children and have them, you know, the Ferengi take over the ship and stuff like that.

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We're going to throw Dr. Beverly Crusher in a subspace bubble and make everyone else in the universe vanish.

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Ideas that are just so fun.

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And, you know what?

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I do need to make a statement is my pleasure to finally announce to the untitled Star Trek project audience.

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I finally found an episode of Star Trek, the next generation, which I can fully endorse.

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And that is remember me.

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We have done Darmok and yesterday's Enterprise.

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But that feels like a long time ago now.

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And we've done quite a few in between.

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We've done Genesis and we've done...

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Oh, what was the one Justice.

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Masterpiece society, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we haven't done it.

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Not all ones from series 7 and series one.

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There's also ones we've done in the middle that have been pretty dull as well.

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Whereas this is just solid.

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I had a I mean, I watched this not long before we started this recording and I was laughing all the way through.

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Sometimes at Gates McFadden's performance, but mostly at the story, which was quirky and really fun.

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Yeah, I think it's really good and it seems almost like it was a bit accidental as well.

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You know, there was a version of the script where we woke up and it was all a dream, which, for God's sake, and...

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The funniest bit of trivia is that this was originally going to be a part of the episode family.

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Yeah.

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After best of both was, because obviously they couldn't do over a whole episode to character bees, you know, in the wake of the best.

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We need some kind of jeopardy plot in there.

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So in the midst of Picard dealing with PTSD and, you know, Wesley Crusher finding out about his dad and all this, we were going to have a subplot about people vanishing into a subspace bubble or whatever this is.

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Thank God they made this call.

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Because they said that there was too much plot going on in family.

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So they sort of extracted that and gave it its own episode.

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And I think it runs to 45 minutes.

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There's just enough plot in how this is structured to last, you know, the running time, which is not always the way with next generation and high cost.

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I think it's actually really, really cleverly structured and they fail to make some kind of obvious mistakes that they could have made.

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And I think the not revealing too early what is going on while not cheating either.

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Like you have all of the information. available to you.

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So you can guess what the mystery is.

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It's very clear and it's very definitely put there in the script.

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And then to go for 3 acts with just this thing happening and only then to switch to outside the bubble and to the discovery that it's not Dalenquist in the bubble.

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It's not people in the bubble.

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It's her in the bubble.

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And that gets just a...

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I love them making the suggestion that it was quace in the bubble.

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So then the idea is there that someone can be in the bubble and vanish.

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But because the whole story is taking place from Dr. Beverly's point of view.

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We don't really click for maybe an act and a half.

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And then when we do, that's when she clicks as well.

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So we're not ahead of her, we're sort of discovering it alongside her.

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But we could have been ahead of her because the information was all there.

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And so they play fair with us, I think, which is a pretty good plan.

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And I think there's some really sort of fun, odd direction as well. which, yeah, yeah, that helps to sell that story very well, I think.

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Cliff Bowl, and he's fresh off of directing the best of both worlds part one.

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So he's like our director to go to at the moment.

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He's delivered the goods time and again.

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And, you know, he's done.

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He does. 40 episodes, maybe more and across... a whole alien race named after him.

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He certainly does DS9 as well.

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And he's sort of like the definition of a safe pair of hands.

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Yeah.

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But within that, and, you know, you look at best of the both worlds, there are some really tense sequences there.

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I thought, you're right.

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There's some really, the bit where Picard vanishes and this and the camera pulls away from Dr. Beverly, she's all alone on the bridge.

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You know, there's some, there's, we don't often say there's a nice direction in...

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No, there's some clever stuff too.

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And some shots that look unlike anything else that you've seen in Star Trek, which is something that I'm always here for, particularly when, you know, next gen has such a strong house style and doesn't sort of stray into, you know, what, on flight through entirety, we call German expressionism.

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You know, it is very literal and and here it just shifts away from that a little bit and I like that a lot.

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Well, the joy of this as well is it's a bottle show, and it's the cheapest bottle show they could do, because from sort of halfway through the episode, it's basically Gates McFadden and the standing sets, they haven't even got or employ any extras at that point.

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But they really lean into that well because very often with these things.

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And certainly when you get to Voyager, when they're trying to do a bottle episode, they'll have all the regulars in there and they're just wandering around the ship like in something like Twisted.

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Whereas here they just use them, oh, you've got to save money, how do we do that?

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Let's do something really imaginative with it.

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I think there were one or 2 scenes early on that I thought, wow, this is actually really quite visibly cheap.

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And there's some early stuff where I think the sets are a bit underpopulated and things move a little bit slowly.

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That would be my only criticism, I think.

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But otherwise, I just thought this was marvellous stuff.

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And I thought too, one of the things we're getting the traveller back.

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And the traveller introduces this idea that there's some kind of subjectivity to space, that space and time and things like that are, um, you know, not quite manipulable by the human mind, but, you know, subjectivity, I guess, is it.

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You know, that they are affected in some way by the human mind.

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And so we get this little reflection at the beginning, which I think is really nice about loss.

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And she comes with a loss like in the 1st episode, you know, the their backstory, they don't really evolve much beyond their backstory in Star Trek, the Next Generation, because that's not what the show is about.

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And so she comes to us as a widow, a single parent with a child and she's kind of defined by the death of her husband, which also plays into her relationship with Picard too.

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And she's also about to lose her son again, you know, because he's going to leave in a few episodes time.

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I noticed the one true injection of emotion that Gates McFadden and more on her later that she injected into this was the moment where she figured Wesley was going to vanish and she suddenly like madly panicked and runs to find him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think like all of that is really good and that thing that, so her thoughts of loss create this world where everything is sort of disappearing where what Dalen Quay says about his life as an old man, where all of these people who are important to him are now gone.

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And, you know, his wife has just died.

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Like, I thought that was perfectly done.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Remember I told you that I used to do befriending for age concern?

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I used to go around and visit a man who said those exact words to me, all of my contemporaries are dead.

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You know, my family don't want to know.

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He was literally daily and Quace.

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It's really really sad.

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Yeah, yeah, I felt all of that was really good.

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It was just sort of well judged, and it added, like it just added, like there's nothing that it has to say about grief and loss, and it's not really about those things.

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I saw another reading in there as well.

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And I want to talk about that when we get there.

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Well, there was parts of this that reminded me of dementia. which is a topic as close to my heart, where from the point of view of the person suffering from dementia.

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Everything else is acting strangely.

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Yeah, and there's scenes where Dr. Beverly is just literally going, why can't you see what?

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Like, this is not right.

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And it reminded me of how, basically, some people will react into my nan when she was suffering direction.

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And the things that she was saying made no sense.

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And you just sort of had to go with it.

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And I know that reading, it's not in there and it's not, but it did give it another layer for me as I was watching it.

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Sort of like, those things were really fun because you had the enterprise crew saying absurd things like, I've said it a 1000000 times, you and me, Dr. Beverly, we're the only 2 people in the entire universe.

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We've never needed a crew before.

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Or like, you know, who on earth is Lieutenant Worf?

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And she's like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The angry man who never smiles or whatever. you know, those scenes were really, really fun.

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But it did it did remind me of the sort of the madness shown up as normality in someone that's suffering from dementia.

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Yeah, okay. think that's interesting.

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So what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we probably should.

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So I will count us in then in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Oh, this is beautiful.

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Oh, that's...

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I can't help but notice, though.

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I think they may have CGI some people walking along a walkway in the new version.

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Because I that certainly wasn't there in the original.

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No.

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And this is footage that they used before, I think, probably in the Binars episode in series one.

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And why not?

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No, no.

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Look at how warm, like, I think Gates is beautiful in this scene.

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Like, she's really happy to see him.

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She's gracious.

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Gates has the most stunning smile.

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Like, it's really, really very sweet.

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And like this conversation, I'm sold.

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I couldn't help but no.

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So she said to Chief O'Brien, thank you so much.

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Like he pressed a button.

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That's his job.

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But remember, though, it's nice to be nice.

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But remember though, then it gets renarrated by him later where she comes in, looks around and then says, thank you very much and leave.

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Oh, there you go.

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So it is, okay, I miss that.

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I miss that.

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That must have been the most fucking boring job standing there.

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Yeah, you do, like, just take the water pails off.

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Poke around and...

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No wonder he was more excited when he went to DS 9. all those problems to solve.

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Okay, is it too early for me to talk about Gates McFadden's performance?

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Well, like wait wait until she's given something really hard to do and it doesn't really land, I think, because I think she's quite good here.

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And like, look at the look on her face.

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Like that does look weird robotic, but I think it is also wistful because he has awakened something in her and she's got to convey that.

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She's starting to think about Jack.

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She mentioned it.

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And see that shot where she just goes out of shot and she is thinking about something.

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I think that's actually quite well done.

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Those people, those people that walk along that window there.

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No, that was always there.

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That was what I said.

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I think so.

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Imagine, imagine like, right, this is my big break.

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I'm the person walking past the window in Star Trek.

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That's it.

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Yeah, just a few pixels in the distance.

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I thought George was a bit... so angry in this episode.

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He's really got the shack.

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Captain wants to go to war.

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You're going to have to explain it to him.

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And this is the whole reason it all goes wrong because he's rushing him.

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Yes, yes, that's actually important.

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I look, look at this.

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See, when she smiles.

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This is her just sort of playing it naturalistically and she's mom and she's looking at Wesley doing his sort of science experiment.

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And what I think is really interesting is after that shot, she doesn't appear again in this scene.

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And it's almost as if the director has forgotten to do any coverage of her.

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Like, she disappears from this scene completely.

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So we just had her smiling.

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I actually missed the flash of light because it's not visible to us.

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What we see is the flash of light kind of on the monitor, like we, the camera's on the monitor, and we see the flash of light just on the monitor.

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And so she's disappeared from this scene.

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And they they sort of talk Technobabble for a bit, so we forget about it.

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And then he goes, Mum?

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Yes, that's right.

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So she's disappeared from the scene, but it just looks like he just concludes that she's gone.

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Yeah, she now now listen to that interminable bloody technobabble.

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So he doesn't think anything of it because he thinks she's just walked off.

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But this is the point at which she disappears.

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And now we won't be back here for the rest of the episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah?

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And none of that's acknowledged.

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It's very ugly.

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No, TNG.

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Because normally they spell everything out.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And now she's in now, this isn't quite a long opening act, isn't it?

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Isn't this quite a long chase?

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Do you think it's like...

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Over 5 over 5 minutes.

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And this is the sort of thing they do now, isn't it?

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They'll do the length of the pre-credits to whatever the story needs.

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Whereas back then it was often sort of a minute or so, wasn't it?

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A minute and a half .

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Yeah.

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And there's lots of lovely shots of these empty sets.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm always reminded just how cheap they all.

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I mean, back in the day, I thought this was the most luxurious lavish.

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If I went to a hotel like this, I would have been absolutely thrilled.

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And it does look like a hotel that you might go to. instead of 1990 as well.

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R on the walls.

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But compare it to the sort of standard cabin set on strangely worlds, which is just massive, you know, and fabulously overdecorated and all of that.

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Okay, I've got to do it now.

217
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Okay, whilst the credits playing out because I've never seen a performance as eccentric as Gates McFadden.

218
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Who, you're right.

219
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When she's a mother and a friend, she's perfectly naturalistic and there's humour in her performance and she visibly relaxes on the screen.

220
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Yeah, yeah.

221
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And when she's a doctor or a professional, and in a Star Trek episode where she's having to deliver techno babble or exposition.

222
00:16:05.460 --> 00:16:13.500
This glazed look comes over her face, like she's been taken over by someone, which is the possibility it's next generation after all.

223
00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:18.779
But it's not the case, where she delivers every line monotonously.

224
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Yeah.

225
00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:25.559
Like a robot and she swings between those two, sometimes in the same scene.

226
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And I just, I don't get it.

227
00:16:27.659 --> 00:16:32.519
Like, we've talked about Avery Bruce's performance in the past and where I've said he's a bit of a dangerous actor.

228
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Sometimes he'll deliver so much emotion.

229
00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:39.000
It goes over an edge a bit and it's a bit embarrassing.

230
00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:42.419
But there's always a consistency to how he's playing the part.

231
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Whereas it literally feels like she's playing 2 parts.

232
00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.580
Yeah.

233
00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.440
Yeah, she does seem super uncomfortable with all the all the sort of Star Trekness.

234
00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:58.379
Because like in Picard series 3, she's great, but she's not being the doctor, she's not she's being a mother.

235
00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.639
In fact, they put her back in that role of being a mother to...

236
00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:07.380
There was a few moments or so where she got to deliver some Star Trek exposition and that glazed look came back.

237
00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:08.579
I was like, oh, yes.

238
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We're back in the 90s.

239
00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:17.579
You know, I don't want to shit all over it because I think this is a fun episode and she gets a brilliant role.

240
00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:22.440
Um, but she does she does sabotage some scenes.

241
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Yeah.

242
00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:29.279
Well, so I think this is quite good because again, it's just her kind of being normal.

243
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He's, uh...

244
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Look at her eyes.

245
00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:33.900
There's a deadness to her eyes.

246
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It's like a fish that's just been caught.

247
00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:44.099
So what do we think we're supposed to think?

248
00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.720
So it looks like some kind of weird conspiracy, doesn't it?

249
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not unusual in a next generation episode.

250
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And it's going, it goes for like quite a considerable amount of time before it starts to get ridiculous, you know, before massive numbers of people start disappearing and stuff like that.

251
00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:18.900
I think initially when I watched this, I wondered if this was Quace, that he committed suicide or that he was involved in something or he'd been kidnapped or something like that.

252
00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:19.559
Yeah.

253
00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:26.759
And I think the fingers pointing in that direction for the 1st act, that something that he's involved in, that's what he's got missing.

254
00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:29.880
Because the whole 1st act is given over to the fact that he's gone.

255
00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:37.619
Yeah, do you know what I think is a mistake is that we never see him again, that he doesn't come back at the end of the year.

256
00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.599
Terrible makeup as usual, but then they can't do old Asia makeup.

257
00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:45.359
No, but do you know what I meant?

258
00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:46.200
Do you know what I mean?

259
00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:48.359
That where's Quace at the end?

260
00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:50.700
He clearly didn't disappear but we never see it.

261
00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.440
He was literally a day player.

262
00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:54.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

263
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He just did that one scene.

264
00:18:55.500 --> 00:19:07.440
Do you know, my friend Peter had to write 12,000, 1200 words, 12,000, that would have been something. 1200 words about Dr. Dalen Quest for the Star Trek Fact files when he was working for it?

265
00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.079
And, you know, like he's on screen for like 4 minutes.

266
00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:17.039
He wasn't allowed to make anything up because it was the fact file, so only facts were allowed.

267
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Oh, shit.

268
00:19:18.299 --> 00:19:21.720
Because what you did in yours with Edson McKnight or what was her name?

269
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I just, yeah, yeah, yeah.

270
00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:27.960
No, he had to write an article about Dale and Quest just based on that one scene.

271
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Wow.

272
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And he managed to have about 12,000 words. 1200, 1200 words.

273
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Oh, okay.

274
00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.440
But still. that's something I'll go looking for it.

275
00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:39.420
I'll regale the next episode.

276
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I loved all of this.

277
00:19:42.059 --> 00:19:44.519
You know, you know the procedure, Dr. Beverly.

278
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If you're going to have somebody on the ship.

279
00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:47.339
She's kind of in trouble now.

280
00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:54.779
But even so, there's still, there's still sort of a flirtation that says something wrong.

281
00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:57.299
Whereas, you know, very quickly we realise something big is wrong.

282
00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

283
00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.299
So it looks like it looks like some weird conspiracy is happening.

284
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.440
But I do like, like I actually like her disbelief.

285
00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:09.720
I'm buying her disbelief at all of this.

286
00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:16.319
Later on, she gets a line where she's like, you know, people are telling me that babies that I delivered.

287
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Do not exist.

288
00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.740
She delivered those lines brilliantly.

289
00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:20.759
Yeah.

290
00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:23.279
But these two, do you know what I mean?

291
00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:25.380
it is, I think she's really great.

292
00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.240
She must have got this one for her.

293
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.200
Gates McFatten have been like, oh, finally.

294
00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:32.400
It'd be fun to do.

295
00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.700
Oh, and actually, you know what?

296
00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.400
We said they were using that coat when she when she fell pregnant.

297
00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:42.420
She doesn't know she's pretty at this point. she's still using it She's, yeah, yeah.

298
00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:44.880
So her pregnancy plays into this episode as well.

299
00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:48.059
So here's Colm.

300
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:49.920
He's so young, doesn't he?

301
00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.460
He's never looked young.

302
00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:55.740
Do you know, he's wonderful.

303
00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.480
When I saw him in an interview recently, you know, he's a grizzled old Irishman now, you know, too much Guinness.

304
00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:09.539
But the way he talks about the behind the scenes crew on Star Trek and the admiration that he had for the hours they did and things like that.

305
00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:11.579
He thanks the right people.

306
00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.380
Right.

307
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:14.339
Bless him.

308
00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.420
That's pretty great.

309
00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.299
Because, I mean, he, you know, he is a potentially a bigger deal in Star Trek.

310
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:27.839
And obviously, Star Trek had to work around him a bit because of his availability because of other projects at the time, right?

311
00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:29.759
Weird enough, you know, in terms of movies.

312
00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:31.140
It's him and his wife, isn't it?

313
00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.039
Rost and Chow as well.

314
00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:35.460
Those 2 are vanishing from the show to get movies.

315
00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:35.880
Yeah.

316
00:21:35.940 --> 00:21:36.420
Yeah.

317
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.220
Do you know what?

318
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:49.319
It is lovely as well, to have an episode where we're entirely on the enterprise. and we just get to enjoy the sets because you and I both have a love for these incredibly cheap but nostalgic sets.

319
00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.359
Yeah, I think they're beautiful.

320
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:52.980
Like, I do think that they're beautiful.

321
00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:54.240
I think the bridge is terrible.

322
00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:56.339
I love the...

323
00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:58.920
I've only just noticed there's carpet on the walls in the turbo.

324
00:21:58.980 --> 00:22:00.599
I put on the walls on the turbo lift.

325
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.980
One of the turbo lift goes the wrong way.

326
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.180
It appears to be going up out of the bridge a bit later on.

327
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:10.980
So they don't always quite get that right.

328
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.660
But I think that's...

329
00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:13.740
How do you notice things like that?

330
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:15.299
Oh, you'll see.

331
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:15.960
I'll show you.

332
00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:17.700
Just like what's happening here?

333
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:22.799
Okay, so Dr. Beverly is like, something is wrong here.

334
00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:24.839
I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

335
00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:30.180
And she doesn't even do the, she doesn't even do the thing on him.

336
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:30.960
Does she?

337
00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:34.559
She never does the examination because what?

338
00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:36.599
I think he vanishes, doesn't he?

339
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.640
No, no, no, no, no, no.

340
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:39.180
No, no, no.

341
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:40.200
I think it's something interesting.

342
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:40.680
What is it?

343
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:42.779
Oh, making up the story as I go now.

344
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.960
Oh, Dr. Hill and Dr. Salah aren't there.

345
00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:47.759
Oh, that's right.

346
00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:49.799
She calls for Dr. Hill.

347
00:22:50.099 --> 00:23:04.380
So there was a scene with Dr. Hill's spouse that was cut, um, where the spouse didn't remember Dr. Hill at all or something.

348
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:10.380
So like some weird thing, like they were on the ship and they didn't recognise, but then that was cut.

349
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.980
Dr. Salah is said to have been on the ship for months.

350
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.180
They mentioned her all the time.

351
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:16.859
I wish it. if Susie Paxton.

352
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:17.700
I wish they'd have her back.

353
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

354
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

355
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.859
Well, I mean, they do have her back, but not as Dr. Salah, obviously.

356
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:28.019
Do you remember the bit where she comes storming on the bridge and goes, where's my sick bay crew, you know?

357
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:38.940
There should be 4 people on duty at all times and they're all looking at her, sconced, like, you're the only, you're the only doctor on the, the way they play, though, all of those scenes.

358
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:39.960
I love.

359
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:44.460
As if she is completely bloody bonkers.

360
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:50.460
So look at that scene is also selling it because Beverly's not present in that scene.

361
00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:55.799
So that's not the real Geordie and Wesley in that scene.

362
00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:03.180
But we just very briefly, just for one moment to sell it, because most of the time, she's in every scene.

363
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

364
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:12.480
Remember, she's in a meeting that they have in the observation lounge, I think.

365
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:20.160
And then they have a conversation in the corridor after, I think she persuades them to go back to...

366
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.180
Empathic abilities and this, like, something's not right, you know, I don't think we will.

367
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

368
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.720
I don't think it works like that.

369
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:30.359
Well, it probably would have been a bit of a giveaway as well.

370
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.619
A very sweet animation there of the bubble.

371
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.599
Yeah, yeah, cheap.

372
00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.880
Yeah, very cheap animation.

373
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.299
Is that the new high definition effects, it might be.

374
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.680
Oh, is it?

375
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:44.759
Is that the best they can do?

376
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:46.140
Yeah, I can't tell.

377
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:51.720
Well, they don't want to kind of completely, you know, ride over it, I guess.

378
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:56.819
I don't know if I can't ever quite get over the fact of how much I fancied it will be when I was younger.

379
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.880
So when I see him now, sort of of age, thank God.

380
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:07.920
And um, with his fabulous haircut, which I'm still mimicking, as you can see, uh, It's not too just similar, isn't it?

381
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.480
No, no, that's true.

382
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:11.579
I think he's beautiful.

383
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:21.480
So I was a bit too old for that, I think, when this came out because I'm thinking this is 1990 and I'm kind of 21 and so he's a bit young for me, I think.

384
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:23.819
Perfect age for me though.

385
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:28.740
Remember I took my copy of the book contagion to the hairdresser and said, make me look like him.

386
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:30.299
Give me the will wheat.

387
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.640
I thought it was because I was just a fan of his.

388
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.980
I didn't quite the hairdresser probably fall.

389
00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:36.660
I see.

390
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.319
Give you the gayest haircut, go in.

391
00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:40.680
All right.

392
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:59.519
So like coming in here and having this completely deserted would have been more, like we could have read this scene a little bit more readily if there had been a lot of people in there before, but they weren't because we're not paying for many extras this week.

393
00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:00.839
No, it's a shame.

394
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.380
Do you remember the scene at the beginning of Genesis when it was all that, that's all going on.

395
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:05.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

396
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:10.200
I want to say a word for, I think, I think this might be a J Chataway.

397
00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:11.880
Yes, it is.

398
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:22.799
And he brings in a lot of sort of psycho-es strings during the weird scenes and I was very aware of the music in a way that I'm not often aware of the music in that.

399
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:25.319
No, I think the music is pretty good in this episode.

400
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:27.000
I have to say, it is pretty cool.

401
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:36.539
He was on form at this point because he does that sort of da, da, da, da, da, you know, when, when the, she's clinging onto the chair and being sucked into the vortex and stuff like that.

402
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:53.940
So this is where it now goes to hell because it can't just be a conspiracy to delete Dalen Quace's information from the files or, you know, something, but now there's now 230 people on the ship and everyone thinks that's normal and thinks that she's weird.

403
00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:01.500
And one of the things I like in this scene is where Picard says, look, you know, I, your word has always been enough for me.

404
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.519
I will go back.

405
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:04.259
You know, I'm going to believe you.

406
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:11.460
And then, but there's the scene later where he says, I've indulged you enough now. to Beverly. yeah yeah.

407
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.339
That's what really reminded me of dementia because I heard people talking to my nan like that, saying, we've got along with this enough, you know.

408
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:24.119
But then that is nice because it is accelerating then and we've got to a point where the disappearances are so absurd.

409
00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.160
I think half the crew Spanish at that point.

410
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:29.640
Oh, no, by this point already 900 people have vanished.

411
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:33.660
Like the crew compliment is 230 according to them.

412
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:37.980
But she goes, why would we need this vast shit just for us?

413
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.559
And data, doesn't data give an explanation?

414
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.940
Colonists, diplomatic people.

415
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.559
I don't have a crew.

416
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:47.400
Clue wrote this one.

417
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.539
Who is the writer?

418
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.940
No, I can't remember.

419
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.900
I did have a look.

420
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.119
Uh, but it was...

421
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.019
I recognise.

422
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.240
What were those lines around the disappearance?

423
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:58.619
They are zingers.

424
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.539
Well, they have to get it. particularly by the point.

425
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.119
So we don't know what's going on yet, do we?

426
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.059
Uh, no, we're not there.

427
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.680
It's not been spelt out to us yet, no.

428
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.640
Yeah.

429
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:13.740
So we did have that scene.

430
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:23.160
We had the scene down in engineering where they talked about Quase's disappearance and the fact that someone could disappear in a bubble.

431
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:24.059
Yeah.

432
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:32.700
So we've got enough information now if we've got our wits about us to know what's going on, but we haven't been told yet.

433
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.200
And to confess, I don't have any memory of actually working it out.

434
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:38.880
I suspect I probably didn't.

435
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:41.940
But it was certainly possible, I think.

436
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.940
But this, the warmth between the 2 of them is quite nice here.

437
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.299
This episode was written by Lee Sheldon. okay?

438
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.599
It's the only script he wrote for Star Trek.

439
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:58.259
And he was a producer on the 1st 8 episodes of the 4th season, and that's the only part of Star Trek contouch.

440
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.119
That's a solid run of episodes.

441
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:02.220
Maybe Lee Sheldon should have stuck around a bit longer.

442
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.619
Oh this is great.

443
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.019
This is so Twilight Zone, this isn't it?

444
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:07.619
Yeah.

445
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.839
Well, this is a Twilight episode.

446
00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.740
Yeah.

447
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.700
Yeah.

448
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.559
And it's a weird thing.

449
00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:17.759
It's like another weird thing that doesn't seem to have any connection with what's been going on.

450
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:21.480
Like, what's the effects of the next generation?

451
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:26.220
But the way that light sort of peaks out of the door, sporadically, I think so too.

452
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:27.059
It's really great.

453
00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:32.640
Okay, you can't just get, you know, fire up a computer and do it in after effects or anything like that.

454
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:37.980
You have to shoot some physical thing and then kind of mad it in there or whatever.

455
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.119
I think it's really good.

456
00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:43.980
Yeah, so this is, this is where um, Deanna is.

457
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.559
She's in this scene and then after it.

458
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:55.980
You've said to me before, like half of the joy of watching the next generation was seeing competent people at work doing their jobs.

459
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:04.440
We have done a number of episodes where that's been boring as hell, like the masterpiece society, where there just wasn't enough character to keep us in.

460
00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:09.839
But it's so great here because they're always taking a piss out of it, how all of them are misremembering things all the time.

461
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:14.099
But they're still going for all the usual routines of tech, all that we love.

462
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

463
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.200
But we, I mean, we still don't know what's going on.

464
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:41.460
But yeah, I think because this space problem is so interesting, like it's just so much fun and because of the misdirect, because of the way this story has been told, where Beverly's actually disappeared from the real ship and has been on a fake ship ever since that final scene in the in the teaser where she goes to Das's quarters.

465
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:46.559
I'll show you how... how clever they've gotten in the 4th season.

466
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:48.059
Can you imagine it's in season one?

467
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.799
It would be so ham fisted.

468
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:52.380
Yeah, the structure of it would be terrible.

469
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.299
Yeah.

470
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:59.099
Yeah, so he's the sort of stupid explanation for why all the rooms are empty.

471
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.680
And now it's 114 people.

472
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:06.059
Transportation of colonists, diplomatic missions, diplomatic missions, emergency evacuations.

473
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.160
Yes, thank you, metadata.

474
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:08.700
That'll do.

475
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.619
Yeah, yeah.

476
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.519
And so they're still trading, they're still trading her seriously.

477
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.319
This line.

478
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:17.640
I want Mr. Watson.

479
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:18.420
I'm sorry.

480
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.859
Who did you say?

481
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.279
And her delivery. on this line where she goes.

482
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:26.039
What is it she says?

483
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:27.720
The big guy who never smiles.

484
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:31.500
But isn't it?

485
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:32.940
They're doing it kind of weird.

486
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:37.619
That is that weird twilight zone where we get shots of people kind of looking sceptical about her.

487
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:45.960
And like to that moment, I know what you mean because there is that thing where people who are dement who are dementing.

488
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:52.799
Like people have dementia, get these sort of strange ideas and you just...

489
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.079
Everyone in that home was trying to poison her, you know.

490
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:55.680
Yeah.

491
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.779
Initially, we went, no, they're not.

492
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.920
And they went, just go with it because you're never going to convince her otherwise. that's right.

493
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:08.640
And so there is that moment where Picard stops data from explaining what all of the things are.

494
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:19.980
And then we all kind of, so we're all sort of believing her until she refers to Mr. Worf, and then they all go, no, actually she's really lost it at this point.

495
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:31.140
I love this scene between Troy and Oz Beverly because Troy doesn't, she doesn't understand what Dr. Beverly's talking about, but she goes, look, let's just, let's just investigate it.

496
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.339
If it slows us down a bit.

497
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.119
Who cares?

498
00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:37.019
We've just got there a little slower, but we'll put your mind at rest.

499
00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:40.200
But also the way she delivers So what?

500
00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:43.619
You know, like it's, she's, it's her being a good girl.

501
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.059
It's her good girl performance.

502
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.799
And then she says, so what?

503
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:47.519
We'll be late.

504
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.299
Who cares?

505
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.980
It'll be all right, you know?

506
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:57.720
The more we watch the next generation, the more I think they missed a trick by not giving these 2 more scenes together.

507
00:32:57.779 --> 00:33:00.720
Because when they are together, the chemistry is real, you know?

508
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:06.779
But also making Marina be such a good girl when she's not that at all.

509
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.940
And she could have been a funnier, you know, sassier counsellor.

510
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.660
Yeah, where she runs in, she's scared about where he's going to be missing.

511
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.420
It looks like he has vanished and he just goes, Mom?

512
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.740
He just walks in.

513
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:25.380
But the way he leaves the shot as well, because it would spoil it if we ever saw anyone disappear.

514
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.740
And so he just doesn't make it into the next shot.

515
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.839
So she comes around the corner.

516
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:40.140
There's a new camera angle, like a new shot, and he doesn't make it from the previous shot into the new shot as she's leaving engineering, which I think is just well done.

517
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:56.819
Do you remember the other episode that it's not this premise, but it's the same idea that the one person is behaving in an unusual way and thinks he, so your Brian episode whispers of DS9, where the twist is, he's a dupe.

518
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.619
We don't know that, obviously.

519
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:08.639
And so he thinks that everyone's been possessed and is behaving weird because they're all acting weird around him the whole episode. and that actually drops its twist in the very last scene.

520
00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:13.320
And I think that's probably the only the only time they've done this again, but bested it.

521
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.820
Yeah.

522
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.300
But I love I love all this. you don't believe me, do you?

523
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.159
And he's trying very hard to be gentle with her.

524
00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:23.039
Like he's like, no, I don't, you know?

525
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.760
Yes, this look, here we go.

526
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.920
Because the joy of it.

527
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:33.059
And there she goes, and now he doesn't make it into that shot.

528
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.539
Oh, no, did you say a bunch of fists and Wesley?

529
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

530
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.320
But the joy of it is they're both right.

531
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.639
The universe is contracting.

532
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:46.139
So from their point of view, they're right and she's the outsider looking in and she's right as well.

533
00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.900
It means you can constantly have these absurd conversations where everyone's right.

534
00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:57.539
I think it's good that both of them come up with a Tao Alpha C thing.

535
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.460
Oh, this is the best.

536
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.059
Do you know what I mean?

537
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.260
The whole episode, Nathan.

538
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:02.820
It's so funny, isn't it?

539
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.420
It's my most quoted line of Star Trek, the next.

540
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:12.480
Captain, why have we got this enormous ship, just you and me.

541
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.219
Oh, she's smiling.

542
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.619
I think she's just giving it to the man.

543
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.480
Yeah, I think that that's what's happening.

544
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.800
I think that that's what's happening.

545
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:24.659
She should have just said, oh, give up.

546
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.019
Well, she's learned the rules now.

547
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:31.739
Let me guess.

548
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:32.820
She has learned the rules.

549
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.079
You never heard of any of them.

550
00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.340
And yeah.

552
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:42.179
Like, what does he remember then at that point of everything.

553
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.139
Do you know what I mean?

554
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.519
Because he's not real, it's fine.

555
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:46.860
Um, yeah.

556
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.239
And this, like, I think this is a bit overwritten, but she is really good in it.

557
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:51.900
Yeah.

558
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.519
Yeah.

559
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:59.099
I think that this speech actually is terrible at BM though.

560
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.599
Why, what does she say?

561
00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:04.739
Oh, you know, they deserve better than to have their lives pinched out.

562
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.019
You know, I will remember them, blah, blah, blah.

563
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:11.460
And also, like it's so cheesy and sort of shockingly bad.

564
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.559
Wesley, my son.

565
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:14.880
I want to execute myself.

566
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.019
I've been peddling that line out for the last 4 years.

567
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.699
When he got zapped off the ship and when the bowel breaks, They've taken my son.

568
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.239
Yeah, it's just a little bit cheesy because we know they're not gone as well.

569
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:31.260
They deserve so much more.

570
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.099
That's a bit crap.

571
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.960
The worst thing is when she's got no one to talk to, and she's having to figure it all out on her own.

572
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.780
She can't deliver any of that naturalistically.

573
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.539
Well, no one can because you don't do that.

574
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.960
If you're on your own, you don't narrate your thought processes.

575
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:49.739
She has to sort of prostrate to her son who's not there.

576
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.179
Wesley.

577
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.500
What do I do?

578
00:36:53.519 --> 00:37:01.619
No, but like she's, we see her thought processes and that is the thing, which is fun, is she's working it out and she's right.

579
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.420
She's sort of clever.

580
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.780
We've never needed a crew before, Dr Beverly?

581
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.699
Yeah.

582
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:15.780
I really actually like how she's delivering this, the disbelief and the he's pretty great.

583
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.079
I really like the tempoles with the traveller.

584
00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:21.960
So that he's there in season one.

585
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.679
He's there in season 4 and then he's there in season seven.

586
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:26.219
Yeah.

587
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:26.940
Yeah.

588
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:32.880
And that's the joy of having a 7 year series where you can play those things out.

589
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:37.980
And even I don't like Journey's End, which is Wesley's last episode.

590
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.880
I do like the fact that his character goes on that journey and then goes off with him at the end.

591
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:43.260
Yeah, yep.

592
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:48.420
And then only to reappear in the final episode.

593
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:49.260
Will Wheaton's close.

594
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.900
Series 2. in his own clothes.

595
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:53.039
Not out of shave.

596
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:54.119
Star Trek Picard.

597
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:57.360
You've forgotten how to deliver dialogue.

598
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:59.159
So cute.

599
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.980
Oh, did you see Patrick Stewart that?

600
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.880
He folded his little funny face. cheeky look on his face.

601
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:08.880
All right, I'll indulge you.

603
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:17.940
So we sit here for a while and we hear, what is it, say his blood pressure and stuff and making sort of wibbly noises in the background and things.

604
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.099
You know what?

605
00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:26.579
I can see the rushes coming in from this episode and the producers and the accountants going, rubbing their hands together going.

606
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.440
This is great stuff, you know.

607
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:29.940
Cheap stuff.

608
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800
Let's get this writer in again.

609
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:33.480
Yeah.

610
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:35.760
He actually went on to this other shows.

611
00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:37.139
He went on to do more important things.

612
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.699
Well, right.

613
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.980
So there he goes.

614
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.619
And have we Dewey tease this?

615
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.079
She has some, that's a great shot, isn't it?

616
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:47.340
Oh, fuck off.

617
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.380
The 2nd he vanishes, she goes like, Jean-Luc, you and I, she's going to say how she feels about it.

618
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. show.

619
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.000
Why can't they ever admit how they feel?

620
00:38:57.059 --> 00:39:04.440
Well, they do in Series 7, but they don't want to upset... dealing with the consequence.

621
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.400
No, it's exactly right.

622
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:07.739
They don't upset the status quo.

623
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:15.420
The one paragraph treatment of the character in the series Bible is true all the way through and that's deliberate.

624
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.219
Now this is the scene.

625
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.119
This is the day.

626
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.059
So she's this is her doing this.

627
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.079
Like rolling around.

628
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:23.940
It's literally being dragged along the floor.

629
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:24.960
Yep.

630
00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:35.099
When, when, there's a fantastic shot where they've put the chair on the roof on a wall or something and she's dangling from it there.

631
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.460
So that chair's on the wall and she's dangling from it.

632
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.280
And then she go home and discover she's pregnant.

633
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:43.679
The doctor, she...

634
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:48.719
No, I don't want you to do anything too strenuous on the Star Trek, the next generation because you're having a baby.

635
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:54.599
And then she says, oh, actually, did I tell you what I got up to today?

636
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.460
And so this.

637
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:01.320
So this shot, that shot is like nothing that you ever see in Star Trek.

638
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:07.739
The lighting. the way it's directed, all of that sort of thing is super weird, and that's the real world.

639
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:13.679
And that's the moment that we see the real world, that the narrative now split between.

640
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

641
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.480
It's really good.

642
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.699
The director gets the moment right as well.

643
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:18.659
Yeah.

644
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.500
Yeah.

645
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.719
Like, I have seen twist drop in the next generation, where it's just a reaction shot of someone going, oh, yeah.

646
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:28.139
No, that probably lands, doesn't it?

647
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.039
And here's the trifler. bless him. very ill-fitting gray costume.

648
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.820
Yeah, he's tucked again because...

649
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:38.039
You always notice that.

650
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.139
We don't want visible dick on the show.

651
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.780
If we can avoid it.

652
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:48.599
And so he's very carefully tucked and he has those big gloves on.

653
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:53.219
Yes, wonder, you know, people watch back these episodes and go, what happened to my dick?

654
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:59.400
I mean, I don't think Jonathan Frank's ever said that.

656
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.500
No, I don't think so.

657
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.340
Yes.

658
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.559
So he is, I think he's, so this is where no one has gone before.

659
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:15.900
And so Kazinski, remember, was sort of a charlatan, that sort of things that he says were nonsense.

660
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.880
Yeah, yeah.

661
00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:21.539
I don't think we ever meet a character as arrogant as that again.

662
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:22.920
Yeah.

663
00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:26.760
Yeah, he's super, super arrogant and it turns out he's not really doing any of it.

664
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:28.380
It's the traveller that's doing it.

665
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.119
And in contrast.

666
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:33.059
The traveler's performance is subtle and gentle.

667
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.320
He's softly spoken.

668
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.300
Actually, I think it's a great performance.

669
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:41.039
Yeah, it's a pretty great character and I do love that idea.

670
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:44.639
You know, I like his funky fingers.

671
00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:45.239
Do you see that?

672
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.480
He's got 3 fingers on each hand. all he's got.

674
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:49.139
Yeah.

675
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:57.599
So Wesley, with his, you know, because obviously he's the star child of the Rottenberry universe.

676
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.719
He's the only one that can get Dr. Beverly back.

677
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.860
Yeah, but he doesn't stop saying that.

678
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.579
I know.

679
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.139
That's it.

680
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.179
That's because you're in love with her, just like...

681
00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:11.099
I think I might be secretly okay.

682
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.880
The thing is, is while we're talking over this, right?

683
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.760
I can't hear her insanely robotic delivery.

684
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.820
So actually, our acting seems pretty good.

685
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:28.980
This, like, I quite like that, you know, like, well, let's start with the assumption that I'm not crazy because if I am, then it doesn't really matter anyway.

686
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:35.099
So, and now she tries to trap the computer in some kind of logical thing.

687
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.019
And that's quite good.

688
00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:40.440
I do like if this is a bad dream, would you tell me that's not a valid question.

689
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:44.639
Like hell, it's not.

690
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:53.460
It's those throwaway lines where I sent you to know, the scene later on where she's delivering all this exposition terribly and then she just goes, I wasn't talking to you, all right?

691
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, to the human being again.

692
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:56.519
Yeah.

693
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:57.300
Yeah.

694
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:10.619
Well, I still think that her, you know, her most classic real person moment is her listening to the man injustice and they're just going, shut up and then leave.

695
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:14.519
There they go.

696
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:15.179
There we go.

697
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.079
She's got it right.

698
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.039
She's got it right.

699
00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:18.420
Why am I the only crew member?

700
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:24.300
Like, so got you there good on her and he...

701
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:25.500
I like that?

702
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:26.880
Did you see what she did then?

703
00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:29.460
So the computer says that information's not available.

704
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.760
She just sort of waves her hand dismissively as she walks along.

705
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:33.960
It's pretty good.

706
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:34.739
Oh, shut up.

707
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.360
She's got no one to impress anymore.

708
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.219
She can behave how...

709
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:40.199
In fact, I would have been a bit naughtier if it was me.

710
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:42.480
I stuck my fingers up like that.

711
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:44.639
I'd have taken my pants off.

712
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.079
I think I'd be walking around.

713
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:46.679
Don't you think?

714
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:56.039
Absolutely. in that Stargate episode when he realises he's in a time loop and he can get away with whatever he was, he starts snogging people and playing golf into the Stargate and stuff like that.

715
00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:57.480
She should have been a bit naughty.

716
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.880
It's the women of TNG.

717
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.139
They're all that naughty, are they?

718
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.760
Well, no, not.

719
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.139
The worst she'll do is fuck a ghost.

720
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.000
Yeah, yeah.

721
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:07.500
Or some guy.

722
00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:09.179
Okay.

723
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.199
So what are we doing?

724
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:11.159
We're going back to.

725
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:16.619
Oh, yes, we're going back to Stardate Star Base 133, but now the universe has disappeared.

726
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.780
Are we going to towel Alpha C?

727
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:19.019
Okay.

728
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:29.219
Do you think in terms of like the one shot premise, in how this is structured, how the information is delivered, how she figured this out as we go along?

729
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.699
Do you think it's like one of the best?

730
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.019
I think it might be.

731
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.539
Yeah, I think it is really good.

732
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.940
Like, I think it's it's solidly good.

733
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.519
Like, this is the next generation I remember.

734
00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:47.159
The standalone ones with a really funky premise that they really get their teeth into, you know?

735
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:51.059
And it's the sort of thing that DS9 doesn't do.

736
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:53.519
No, you know, that's right.

737
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:54.539
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.900
Like, well, this is what this show is for, and I think this is what people remember.

739
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:08.639
And I think, you know, even, you know, it fails sometimes, but, you know, this is very odd, like it is very weird.

740
00:45:08.699 --> 00:45:11.880
It is a very Twilight's own premise, isn't it?

741
00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:16.019
And it relies on like a weird alternate reality in order to happen.

742
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:23.099
And I got the impression you read the memory alpha article where they seem to be a bit kind of mare about it.

743
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:30.239
Like everyone seemed to be a little bit kind of, this isn't our best episode or maybe this is confusing. impressed with this script.

744
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:30.599
Yeah.

745
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.880
Apparently, Cliff Bold didn't thought it was a bit complicated and people wouldn't be able to get their eds around it.

746
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:38.460
I had much faith in the audience back then, you know.

747
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:39.719
No, that's right.

748
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:44.940
Well, he's the man who decided to use the big subtitles for the insectoids indie last week.

749
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:48.119
We're just not spelling things out enough for people.

750
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.199
Just in case you have to read too many words. bigger, please.

751
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:52.800
Yeah.

752
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.739
It's wonderful.

753
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.500
I think he's really sweet, isn't he?

754
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.039
The traveller.

755
00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:03.119
There something kind of sweet about it.

756
00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:07.559
The director has the opportunity because there's no one else in the set to shoot these in.

757
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:12.900
It's not particularly dynamic, but he's getting some wonderful angles of like the whole set around her.

758
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.860
He just shot there between the 2 chairs, but he was on the floor.

759
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.280
The camera was on the floor, looking up at her at the security station.

760
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.019
But that shot.

761
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:24.780
That's awesome, isn't it?

763
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:29.400
But the shot of just those chairs in the foreground is another one of those.

764
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:31.920
Fuck, this is a weird looking set.

765
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:33.840
It's laid out in such a strange way.

766
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:40.800
What's worth remembering is all the time we spend in these sets for 7 years.

767
00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:44.940
Yeah, even though they were pretty terribly designed for the most part.

768
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.880
That's what embedded in our heads.

769
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.840
Yeah.

770
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.139
So when they turn those lights on in Picard series 3.

771
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.820
It's magic.

772
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.099
And everyone got the chills, you know, it took everyone back to the 90s where we were watching this.

773
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.739
It's so funny because I just never expected them to do it.

774
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:10.619
Like it never occurred to me that we would get them back on the Enterprise D. And it's kind of like, oh, of course they had to do this, that this was inevitable.

775
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:11.820
So great.

776
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:18.179
Yes, the universe is a spheroid region 705 metres in diameter. is so good.

777
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:19.619
It's so great.

778
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:24.960
And so the ship is too big to fit in it is kind of what's happening because it's contracting.

779
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.219
That I don't.

780
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:28.980
She doesn't really figure a way out, does she?

781
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.059
Wesley does it for her.

782
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:31.199
Yeah.

783
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:34.320
It would have been quite nice if she could sort of unlock the puzzle.

784
00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:36.239
But I know that's another part of his journey.

785
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:39.300
It's not really about this episode, is it?

786
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:40.079
No.

787
00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:46.019
She does work out that they must be trying to do it.

788
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.539
Like, so she works out what the vortex is.

789
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:55.199
And given that the ship's contracting, she works out that she has to go to engineering and she works out that that's where the bubble is.

790
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:58.619
She has to go to engineering so he can save.

791
00:47:58.619 --> 00:48:02.460
Because remember, I think the traveller says she has to decide to come out.

792
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.260
Doesn't he?

793
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.340
And so it has to be her choice to leave this reality that she's created.

794
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.579
And so I think she contributes to her own rescue.

795
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.320
That was me stuck in the bubble.

796
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:17.039
I probably would have just sat down and went, oh, well, that's the end.

797
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.539
I can't help it. notice how much my hair looks like Wesley Brushes.

798
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.159
I know I brought it up earlier.

799
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.340
He's got really bad skin in this episode.

800
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.440
I think he really has enough sense on me.

801
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.940
Clean his face.

802
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.320
I just kept saying, why is he, why does his boy have such a dirty face?

803
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:35.159
He's on television.

804
00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:35.820
What's going on?

805
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:43.559
This is the same now that, oh, this is some dreadful acting in a minute where she has to look to the camera or just off camera.

806
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:46.559
Yeah, they fail.

807
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:48.960
And you're right.

808
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:50.760
She's she's a beautiful woman.

809
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.960
She's lovely to look at.

810
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.679
But she is a variable actress.

811
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:48:57.780 --> 00:49:06.900
But she is doing something that's pretty difficult here, I think, because we don't, like, she gets to talk to the computer and that's how we get dialogue out of her.

813
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.340
But having her verbalise all of the steps that now he is, see this thing, right?

814
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.900
Bulkhead 342.

815
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:16.440
That part of the ship isn't accessible because the thing's contracting, right?

816
00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:27.119
Now, look at how close the edge of that bubble is to the bridge in this shot. should be gone into the top of the saucer.

817
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:33.119
And yeah, and like it's shrinking at like 15 metres per 2nd or something.

818
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:36.300
And it's just like, why is it still here then?

819
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.000
It's like they don't know where the bridge is.

820
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.079
Like we go back to the bridge.

821
00:49:40.139 --> 00:49:40.920
Oh, it's nearly there.

822
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:41.400
Nope.

823
00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:45.059
We could have cleaned that up in the HD restoration, couldn't we?

824
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.840
Made it a bit slower.

825
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.059
If that's our only complaint in the whole episode.

827
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.940
No, no, but it just sort of is pretty silly.

828
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:07.860
Yeah, so, yeah, so although he's using his magical space powers, you know, to influence subspace or whatever, she does, she does the decision.

829
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.960
So I think that she doesn't...

830
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.639
At this point, though. like most Star Trek episodes, I was like, I don't really care how this ends.

831
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:15.900
This has been such a ride.

832
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

833
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.340
Fire, tie it up, you know. throw her into the light.

834
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.019
She's back.

835
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.460
I do, I did Wonderland.

836
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.880
You right.

837
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.380
The fact that we don't see Quace again.

838
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.699
It feels very quick.

839
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.880
She sort of steps through the light and they go, oh, I'm back.

840
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.659
How many are on the ship?

841
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.260
A 1000?

842
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:32.940
We're back when we go.

843
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.860
That sort of should be end credits.

844
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.840
It's very perfect.

845
00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:38.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.119
That's right.

847
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:40.739
Remember me in future and perfect.

848
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.000
It's so weird though, because it's 2 back to back where they're fundamentally changing.

849
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.539
Yeah.

850
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.860
The crime of the show.

851
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.760
It's almost like they're acknowledging, I'm not sure this is working, you know.

852
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:51.960
Let's have some fun with this.

853
00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:56.340
Well, it's the, it's, it is a similar thing, isn't it?

854
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:09.420
It's the mystery of what is this apparent weird thing that's happening to me, what's behind it, and next week, the solution will be, a big alien holodeck, which is the 1st thing that Mariner would have guessed, I would think.

855
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:12.900
Oh, shit about a field day in this, was she?

856
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:16.860
She'd be listening off every episode.

857
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:17.400
Right.

858
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:20.280
Well, it's just like the conspiracy in that one and that one.

859
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:25.079
So she's getting it, right?

860
00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:26.699
She's absolutely getting it here.

861
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:28.320
That's when I started losing everybody.

862
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:34.199
She's like, and again, this is super hard to act because she is just telling us the staff.

863
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:35.460
I think it might be.

864
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:36.300
She gets it all right.

865
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.460
Oh, she's talking to the computer.

866
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:49.739
I'm not talking to you. my ambition to find a scene in Star Trek now where somebody has to talk to themselves, but delivers it in a very powerful way.

867
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:52.199
Oh, no, wait.

868
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.599
What about Avery Brooks in the Pal Moonlight?

869
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:56.699
He was talking to himself throughout the whole episode.

870
00:51:56.820 --> 00:51:58.320
No, he's talking about us.

871
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.659
He's talking, he's dictating a log.

872
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:17.940
That thing, click my heels 3 times together and I'm back in Kansas, is such an unusual thing for them to do because they don't do pop culture references at all in Star Trek, the next generation, really.

873
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:19.260
No, they don't.

874
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:19.860
And do you know what?

875
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:25.019
It's the 2nd they do it twice as well because when Harry Kim is strapped down to the table in the Thor.

876
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.980
The clown says to him, why don't you try clicking your heels together 3 times, right?

877
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:29.460
Oh, okay.

878
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:31.679
Your legs are restrained, aren't they?

879
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:35.699
I can't wait till we get that one.

880
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:37.199
Oh, yeah.

881
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.019
Well, Michael McKean is just absolutely superb.

882
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.420
And this.

883
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:43.800
Oh, this is the bit.

884
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:47.400
This is this is the scene I sent Nathan on our chat, Fred.

885
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.940
How do I find it?

886
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.239
Wesley, you know, where do I go?

887
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.000
Look at her face.

888
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.019
Yeah, it's very strange, isn't it?

889
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.260
I love this scene too.

890
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.179
When she's going to the bridge.

891
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:23.340
No, to engineering, she runs to engineering, and that sort of purple mist that's outside the ship, that is the region of space, you know, full of electromagnetic charge or whatever, like is chasing her down the corridor and erasing the corridor behind her as she runs.

892
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:24.840
And I think that's really good.

893
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.159
Don't you think?

894
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:27.480
Now watch the lift go up.

895
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.380
Watch lift go up.

896
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.679
Take me anywhere on deck 36.

897
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:32.639
Deck 36.

898
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.059
Oh, yeah.

899
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:34.260
We're on deck one.

900
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:35.280
Look, look.

901
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.059
Are we going up?

902
00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:42.480
We haven't got time to reshoot that, all right?

903
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:44.639
It's supposed to be in a cheap episode.

904
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:46.500
Yeah, look, look, look.

905
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:47.099
This is great.

906
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.940
And it is just everything turns purple and it's chasing her down the corridor.

907
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:56.400
You can't hear it, but Jay Chataway's doing his best. da, da, da, you know, music.

908
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:01.500
And this light, you know, like this lighting is super effective.

909
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:06.840
And them disappearing in that shot. like they're silhouettes with the light shining through.

910
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:08.460
I can always make good.

911
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:13.380
Rick Berman sitting there as a rush is coming in going, this is all a bit visually interesting for me, you know.

912
00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:16.559
This is all a bit dramatically staged.

913
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:18.300
Whoa.

914
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.639
Go for it, Gates. was great.

915
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:22.260
She really threw herself across.

916
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.639
She is a pregnant woman.

917
00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:26.699
She should not be throwing herself around a thing like that.

918
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.679
She's very early in a pregnancy.

919
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:33.539
So this is the pregnancy that made the host such an unsexy experience for her.

920
00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:38.519
And of course, I'm sweaty. huge.

921
00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:40.500
Don't give me a romance episode.

922
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:47.519
Say, this is and her son James, who's now in his 30s, of course. comes of it.

923
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:58.800
That's how space on Wesley. calls him that in every one of our podcast episodes, Gates McFadden investigates, which I have mentioned before, and I would recommend again.

924
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:05.219
Should you wish to delve into the extraneous lives of Star Trek actors, because I don't really talk about Star Trek match.

925
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.440
But the rest of their life is nice, isn't it?

926
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:08.579
Yeah.

927
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.820
I think this is nice Well, suddenly she's a mother again, so she's very natural.

928
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

929
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.539
I'm not sure what Wesley Crush is doing.

930
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:16.440
He's not holding it.

931
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:22.440
I think he's supposed to be conveying relief, but he's not quite managing at all.

932
00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:24.119
Oh, course.

933
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.219
It's like I nearly lost her.

934
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:33.719
I've come to the conclusion, you know, that although it is glorious that we discuss the entirety of Star Trek.

935
00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:37.019
I'm not sure we ever have more fun than when we're in the 90s.

936
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

937
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:41.280
Well, there's good things and bad things.

938
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:46.260
It's uh, just what we want and it's uh, distant enough in the past now.

939
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:53.639
It's obviously more distant to us now than Star Trek, the original series was to it.

940
00:55:53.699 --> 00:55:55.079
Right?

941
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.239
Yeah, so this is sort of cheesy old TV for us now.

942
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:01.199
Wow, which is fun.

943
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.940
As cheesy old TV.

944
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.860
Oh, I thought that was so much fun.

945
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.179
Really good.

946
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:12.179
Like that, that is doing what Next Generation did better than all the other shows.

947
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.820
Oh, I really want to say that very often.

948
00:56:14.940 --> 00:56:18.599
I think TOS, what did TOS do better than all the other shows?

949
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:22.320
Do you think it's like the 3 regulars and those dynamics?

950
00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:25.739
Next Generation did the premise episode.

952
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:27.719
DS9 did the politicking.

953
00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:28.800
Boy, Jack.

954
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:32.039
Who knows what it did?

955
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:35.519
It did a bunch of things sometimes very well, sometimes shockingly.

956
00:56:35.579 --> 00:56:37.920
But mostly stuff that the other shows had already done.

957
00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:38.699
Yeah that's right.

958
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.420
And enterprise was its own thing. was what it was pissing off.

959
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.559
People like you and betraying the values of the Star Trek universe.

960
00:56:46.619 --> 00:57:01.679
But this was, for me, this was next generation that is high, because I don't really want them to be earnest or lecturing me, you know, or stuff like the Masterpiece Society where it's a vaguely interesting premise, but they do nothing with it.

961
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:02.280
Yeah.

962
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.139
I wanted to just take out one big juicy idea and just wring it for all it's worth.

963
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

964
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.719
And they do it really well.

965
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:18.420
That was just the solid, fun, high concept Twilight Zone episode, which is also the thing that Lower Decks makes fun of, isn't it?

966
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:24.719
Like just that some ludicrously preposterous space thing happens to them every week on the ship.

967
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.280
And that's a thing.

968
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:36.780
I think I prefer it even more when they take like uh, absurd premise. like this, this was a, this was like vaguely plausible.

969
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:52.260
But when they take someone like, like, like the game. you know, this game that takes over everybody and gives them an orgasm and spreads amongst the ship to the point where this woman in a tiny ship can come along and take over the enterprise because they will be hypnotised by this.

970
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

971
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.260
But plays it out for real.

972
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.820
Like it's a drama.

973
00:57:56.940 --> 00:57:58.199
It's really good.

974
00:57:58.260 --> 00:57:59.760
All of that stuff is great.

975
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:01.440
The game is superb, I think.

976
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:03.000
You know, I don't know.

977
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.440
We're talking about rascals a lot as well.

978
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:07.079
That's another stupid promise taken to you.

979
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:07.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

980
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:10.260
That they just sell it. entertaining degree.

981
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:15.719
And I think that's probably Dr. Beverly's best episode in the run.

982
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:17.639
Yeah, I think it is too.

983
00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:18.539
For sure.

984
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:31.860
So it is the end of the episode, and it is time for us, as always, to work out what we're going to watch next.

985
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:39.360
I think you chose Remember Me last week, Joe. Oh, wait a minute, I chose as the next generation episode that we'll enjoy.

986
00:58:39.539 --> 00:58:42.960
We often gave the promise that we were going to enjoy.

987
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.039
Yeah, that's right.

988
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.340
We will just roll until a good one turns up.

989
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:53.219
It's become a bit of a cliche in untitled Star Trek project, you know, that I'll say, God, this is a great episode.

990
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:54.059
And then we watch it.

991
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.340
It's terrible.

992
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:04.440
So I think we will still do another 90 Star Trek, but I want to do Voyager.

993
00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:05.880
Oh, yes, let's do it.

994
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:07.380
Yeah.

995
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.079
I just feel hankering for some Voyager, I think, and maybe something that I'm not super familiar with yet.

996
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:14.820
So, I have...

997
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:15.960
Can't we just do a voyager?

998
00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:16.679
That's really terrible.

999
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:20.039
Well, probably.

1000
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:23.340
Well, we got spirit, we wrote spirit folk once, but when you chose not to do it.

1001
00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:25.980
Yeah, I was close.

1002
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.599
I kind of nearly wanted to do it.

1003
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:28.800
All right, here goes.

1004
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:36.840
Oh, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is the shoot, series three, episode three.

1005
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:40.440
So that's the episode where Tom Harris...

1006
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.400
They go down a slippery dude.

1007
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:43.079
And Harry Potter...

1008
00:59:43.139 --> 00:59:46.800
Well, no, they're just on the prison for the sort of the 1st half of the episode.

1009
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:57.539
We don't even see Voyager and it all gets a bit homoerotic between them because they're in an extreme situation and one of them gets stabbed and yeah, they're getting the other one's tending to them.

1010
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.219
We get some hurt comfort happening.

1011
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.079
But it's a lot of Tom Paris.

1012
01:00:01.139 --> 01:00:02.699
So I don't know how much we're going to enjoy that.

1013
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:09.659
Yeah, he is still the worst, Robert, despite Robert Beltran's online behaviour in the last couple of weeks.

1014
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:14.639
You know, I told my other half about Robert Belgian's behaviour and the things that he said on Twitter.

1015
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:15.360
He didn't believe me.

1016
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:18.840
He says, there's no way anybody would say that on Twitter nowadays.

1017
01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:20.460
I'm like, I will show you the tweets.

1018
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:26.039
He effectively said that if you are straight Star Trek fan, you're a real fan.

1019
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:27.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1020
01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:28.980
Yeah, crazy stuff.

1021
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.800
All right, so let's try another one.

1022
01:00:31.860 --> 01:00:34.139
This is just a few episodes later.

1023
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.340
Season three, episode 7, sacred ground.

1024
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.619
Oh boy, that is very boring.

1025
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.039
It's um of ceremony of some kind.

1026
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:50.460
Yeah, it's all, it's about science and religion.

1027
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.039
And Janeway's relationship with the two.

1028
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:56.039
It has some thoughtful moments in it.

1029
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.380
It's the 1st one that the worst Robert Drex.

1030
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.940
Oh, okay.

1031
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.639
He was very proud because he got to do a lot of work with Kate Mulgrew.

1032
01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:06.000
You were probably contrarian enough to like it, you know.

1033
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:09.840
But oh, can't we do something more fun than that?

1034
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:11.099
let's do something else.

1035
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.860
I do remember actually seeing it recently for some reason.

1036
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.179
I'm not quite sure why.

1037
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.840
Nemesis.

1038
01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:23.159
Season four, episode four. spat out my water.

1039
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:29.280
Now, that's the Chakotay one on the planet with, we'd have to talk about Robert Beltran for an episode.

1040
01:01:29.340 --> 01:01:31.559
Yeah, let's give that a miss.

1041
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.980
Okay, season 6, episode 16, collective.

1042
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.619
Oh, yes.

1043
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:38.880
Let's do that one.

1044
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:40.980
Does it have the baby Borg?

1045
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.539
Does it have a board baby in it?

1046
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:43.199
It's the one.

1047
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.420
It's the one where all the ball children come along.

1048
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:46.980
Oh, yeah.

1049
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:51.960
So it's kind of like it's kind of like the point where we've just lost all hope with the ball.

1050
01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:59.940
We've decided that we're going to cast Robbie Rist as cousin Oliver and just wait out the end of the show.

1052
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.780
It's sort of like the best of both worlds 90210.

1053
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.219
Only really terrible.

1054
01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah.

1055
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:14.820
So this is Echeb, who will later be seen having his eye torn out. in Picard series one, so that's fun.

1056
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:21.360
I feel for that. you know, because I feel that that is the best role he's ever been given on television.

1057
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:21.960
Certainly.

1058
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:29.219
Right, okay. in how he talks on social media and that he feels a bit neglected, given that they brought back.

1059
01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:32.340
Just to be murdered and they recast him.

1060
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1061
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:43.739
It's also one of 2 seasons where this was the only Star Trek series of the, well, obviously Enterprise afterwards.

1062
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:49.079
But in that sort of period of next gen, DS9, in between.

1063
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:51.000
Because this is February 2000.

1064
01:02:51.179 --> 01:02:51.840
This goes out.

1065
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:58.199
So at this point, this was the only time for a long time that there was one Star Trek.

1066
01:02:58.260 --> 01:03:01.440
Yeah, and with very variable results.

1067
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.940
Right.

1068
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.420
Right.

1069
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:04.380
Yeah, let's do that.

1070
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:16.019
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1071
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:22.320
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1072
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.900
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1073
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:33.659
This episode was recorded on the 15th of August 2023 and released on the 18th of August.

1074
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:37.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Collective.

1075
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.639
That's right.

1076
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:57.780
Collective.

1077
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.500
I think I gave it a 4 or something when I reviewed it.

1078
01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:03.119
Okay.

1079
01:04:03.179 --> 01:04:04.079
Okay.

1080
01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:05.699
What did Gemma give it?

1081
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.699
He probably gave it 2.5 stars, like like Bem.

1082
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:10.380
Hang on.

1083
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.980
I bet what he does.

1084
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:15.719
I bet you he gives it 2.5 stars.

1085
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:22.019
It was quite kind on Stranger Worlds this season.

1086
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:23.340
I noticed.

1087
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:23.760
Oh, was he?

1088
01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:27.599
Hegemony here today gone tomorrow.

1089
01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:38.940
But that, because that new English way of saying gone, gone, like the people on television say gone.

1090
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:44.219
I just kept thinking, so Laan says they're gone, and it's just like, no, no, we know they're gone.

1091
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:44.880
What are you doing?

1092
01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:47.880
I saw a picture of the redesign.

1093
01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:48.840
That's quite fun.

1094
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:54.239
Where are we, boys?

1095
01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:55.920
You don't see anything that you haven't seen before.

1096
01:04:55.980 --> 01:05:07.260
So it's teenage gone again, so it just looks like that it's gone from whatever it is, Memento, not Memento Mori, the season nine, episode 9 series one.

1097
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:08.699
Me, Nathan.

1098
01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:10.079
She wanted to know what the run is, yeah.

1099
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:13.019
It's gone from Sankartsy.

1100
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:15.360
That's 79 versus Baroccan Rock.

1101
01:05:15.420 --> 01:05:17.940
Then it's collecting and then it's spirit folk.

1102
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.219
And then it's a Harry King romance.

1103
01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.380
Oh, this was a bad one.

1104
01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:23.219
Is it the disease?

1105
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.440
No, ashes to ashes.

1106
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:30.000
He gives in 2 stars.

1107
01:05:30.059 --> 01:05:33.539
There's groundwork here for some potentially intriguing future material.

1108
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.300
The episode itself is lacklustre.

1109
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:40.440
So just half a star worse than Ben.

1110
01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:45.840
You're literally going to do every... every rating around that one.

1111
01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:47.639
M. I am.