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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back at my 1st love when it comes to Star Trek, which

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is Star Trek the Next Generation, and we're in series 4, and I was

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looking at the list and they're all episodes that I know really

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well.

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And while they're not all absolute bangers, they are solidly

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competent and entertaining all the way through.

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And I think this is the part of Star Trek, the Next Generation

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that is kind of fondly remembered by people.

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You know, the kind of one off high concept episodes.

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It's where they've got the standalones just right, you know?

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The characters are confident enough to hold up the episodes well

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more on that later.

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And they're playing about with fun ideas.

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You know, they're throwing in, well, we're gonna turn the regulars

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into children and have them, you know, the Ferengi take over the

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ship and stuff like that.

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We're going to throw Dr. Beverly Crusher in a subspace bubble and

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make everyone else in the universe vanish.

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Ideas that are just so fun.

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And, you know what?

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I do need to make a statement is my pleasure to finally announce

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to the untitled Star Trek project audience.

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I finally found an episode of Star Trek, the next generation, which

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I can fully endorse.

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And that is remember me.

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We have done Darmok and yesterday's Enterprise.

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But that feels like a long time ago now.

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And we've done quite a few in between.

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We've done Genesis and we've done...

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Oh, what was the one Justice.

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Masterpiece society, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we haven't done it.

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Not all ones from series 7 and series one.

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There's also ones we've done in the middle that have been pretty

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dull as well.

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Whereas this is just solid.

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I had a I mean, I watched this not long before we started this

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recording and I was laughing all the way through.

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Sometimes at Gates McFadden's performance, but mostly at the story

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which was quirky and really fun.

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Yeah, I think it's really good and it seems almost like it was a

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bit accidental as well.

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You know, there was a version of the script where we woke up and

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it was all a dream, which, for God's sake, and...

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The funniest bit of trivia is that this was originally going to be

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a part of the episode family.

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Yeah.

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After best of both was, because obviously they couldn't do over a

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whole episode to character bees, you know, in the wake of the

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best.

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We need some kind of jeopardy plot in there.

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So in the midst of Picard dealing with PTSD and, you know, Wesley

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Crusher finding out about his dad and all this, we were going to

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have a subplot about people vanishing into a subspace bubble or

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whatever this is.

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Thank God they made this call.

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Because they said that there was too much plot going on in

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family.

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So they sort of extracted that and gave it its own episode.

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And I think it runs to 45 minutes.

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There's just enough plot in how this is structured to last, you

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know, the running time, which is not always the way with next

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generation and high cost.

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I think it's actually really, really cleverly structured and they

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fail to make some kind of obvious mistakes that they could have

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made.

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And I think the not revealing too early what is going on while not

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cheating either.

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Like you have all of the information. available to you.

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So you can guess what the mystery is.

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It's very clear and it's very definitely put there in the script.

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And then to go for 3 acts with just this thing happening and only

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then to switch to outside the bubble and to the discovery that

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it's not Dalenquist in the bubble.

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It's not people in the bubble.

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It's her in the bubble.

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And that gets just a...

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I love them making the suggestion that it was quace in the

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bubble.

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So then the idea is there that someone can be in the bubble and

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vanish.

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But because the whole story is taking place from Dr. Beverly's

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point of view.

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We don't really click for maybe an act and a half.

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And then when we do, that's when she clicks as well.

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So we're not ahead of her, we're sort of discovering it alongside

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her.

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But we could have been ahead of her because the information was

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all there.

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And so they play fair with us, I think, which is a pretty good

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plan.

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And I think there's some really sort of fun, odd direction as well

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which, yeah, yeah, that helps to sell that story very well, I

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think.

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Cliff Bowl, and he's fresh off of directing the best of both

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worlds part one.

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So he's like our director to go to at the moment.

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He's delivered the goods time and again.

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And, you know, he's done.

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He does. 40 episodes, maybe more and across... a whole alien race

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named after him.

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He certainly does DS9 as well.

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And he's sort of like the definition of a safe pair of hands.

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Yeah.

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But within that, and, you know, you look at best of the both

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worlds, there are some really tense sequences there.

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I thought, you're right.

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There's some really, the bit where Picard vanishes and this and

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the camera pulls away from Dr. Beverly, she's all alone on the

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bridge.

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You know, there's some, there's, we don't often say there's a nice

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direction in...

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No, there's some clever stuff too.

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And some shots that look unlike anything else that you've seen in

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Star Trek, which is something that I'm always here for

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particularly when, you know, next gen has such a strong house

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style and doesn't sort of stray into, you know, what, on flight

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through entirety, we call German expressionism.

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You know, it is very literal and and here it just shifts away from

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that a little bit and I like that a lot.

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Well, the joy of this as well is it's a bottle show, and it's the

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cheapest bottle show they could do, because from sort of halfway

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through the episode, it's basically Gates McFadden and the

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standing sets, they haven't even got or employ any extras at that

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point.

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But they really lean into that well because very often with these

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things.

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And certainly when you get to Voyager, when they're trying to do a

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bottle episode, they'll have all the regulars in there and they're

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just wandering around the ship like in something like Twisted.

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Whereas here they just use them, oh, you've got to save money, how

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do we do that?

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Let's do something really imaginative with it.

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I think there were one or 2 scenes early on that I thought, wow

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this is actually really quite visibly cheap.

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And there's some early stuff where I think the sets are a bit

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underpopulated and things move a little bit slowly.

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That would be my only criticism, I think.

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But otherwise, I just thought this was marvellous stuff.

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And I thought too, one of the things we're getting the traveller

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back.

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And the traveller introduces this idea that there's some kind of

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subjectivity to space, that space and time and things like that

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are, um, you know, not quite manipulable by the human mind, but

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you know, subjectivity, I guess, is it.

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You know, that they are affected in some way by the human mind.

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And so we get this little reflection at the beginning, which I

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think is really nice about loss.

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And she comes with a loss like in the 1st episode, you know, the

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their backstory, they don't really evolve much beyond their

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backstory in Star Trek, the Next Generation, because that's not

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what the show is about.

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And so she comes to us as a widow, a single parent with a child

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and she's kind of defined by the death of her husband, which also

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plays into her relationship with Picard too.

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And she's also about to lose her son again, you know, because he's

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going to leave in a few episodes time.

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I noticed the one true injection of emotion that Gates McFadden

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and more on her later that she injected into this was the moment

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where she figured Wesley was going to vanish and she suddenly like

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madly panicked and runs to find him.

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Yeah, I think like all of that is really good and that thing that

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so her thoughts of loss create this world where everything is sort

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of disappearing where what Dalen Quay says about his life as an

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old man, where all of these people who are important to him are

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now gone.

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And, you know, his wife has just died.

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Like, I thought that was perfectly done.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Remember I told you that I used to do befriending for age

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concern?

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I used to go around and visit a man who said those exact words to

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me, all of my contemporaries are dead.

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You know, my family don't want to know.

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He was literally daily and Quace.

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It's really really sad.

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Yeah, yeah, I felt all of that was really good.

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It was just sort of well judged, and it added, like it just added

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like there's nothing that it has to say about grief and loss, and

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it's not really about those things.

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I saw another reading in there as well.

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And I want to talk about that when we get there.

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Well, there was parts of this that reminded me of dementia. which

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is a topic as close to my heart, where from the point of view of

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the person suffering from dementia.

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Everything else is acting strangely.

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Yeah, and there's scenes where Dr. Beverly is just literally going

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why can't you see what?

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Like, this is not right.

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And it reminded me of how, basically, some people will react into

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my nan when she was suffering direction.

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And the things that she was saying made no sense.

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And you just sort of had to go with it.

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And I know that reading, it's not in there and it's not, but it

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did give it another layer for me as I was watching it.

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Sort of like, those things were really fun because you had the

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enterprise crew saying absurd things like, I've said it a 1000000

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times, you and me, Dr. Beverly, we're the only 2 people in the

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entire universe.

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We've never needed a crew before.

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Or like, you know, who on earth is Lieutenant Worf?

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And she's like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The angry man who never smiles or whatever. you know, those scenes

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were really, really fun.

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But it did it did remind me of the sort of the madness shown up as

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normality in someone that's suffering from dementia.

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Yeah, okay. think that's interesting.

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So what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we probably should.

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So I will count us in then in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Oh, this is beautiful.

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Oh, that's...

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I can't help but notice, though.

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I think they may have CGI some people walking along a walkway in

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the new version.

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Because I that certainly wasn't there in the original.

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No.

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And this is footage that they used before, I think, probably in

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the Binars episode in series one.

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And why not?

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No, no.

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Look at how warm, like, I think Gates is beautiful in this scene.

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Like, she's really happy to see him.

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She's gracious.

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Gates has the most stunning smile.

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Like, it's really, really very sweet.

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And like this conversation, I'm sold.

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I couldn't help but no.

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So she said to Chief O'Brien, thank you so much.

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Like he pressed a button.

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That's his job.

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But remember, though, it's nice to be nice.

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But remember though, then it gets renarrated by him later where

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she comes in, looks around and then says, thank you very much and

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leave.

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Oh, there you go.

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So it is, okay, I miss that.

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I miss that.

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That must have been the most fucking boring job standing there.

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Yeah, you do, like, just take the water pails off.

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Poke around and...

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No wonder he was more excited when he went to DS 9. all those

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problems to solve.

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Okay, is it too early for me to talk about Gates McFadden's

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performance?

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Well, like wait wait until she's given something really hard to do

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and it doesn't really land, I think, because I think she's quite

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good here.

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And like, look at the look on her face.

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Like that does look weird robotic, but I think it is also wistful

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because he has awakened something in her and she's got to convey

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that.

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She's starting to think about Jack.

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She mentioned it.

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And see that shot where she just goes out of shot and she is

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thinking about something.

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I think that's actually quite well done.

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Those people, those people that walk along that window there.

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No, that was always there.

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That was what I said.

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I think so.

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Imagine, imagine like, right, this is my big break.

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I'm the person walking past the window in Star Trek.

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That's it.

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Yeah, just a few pixels in the distance.

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I thought George was a bit... so angry in this episode.

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He's really got the shack.

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Captain wants to go to war.

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You're going to have to explain it to him.

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And this is the whole reason it all goes wrong because he's

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rushing him.

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Yes, yes, that's actually important.

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I look, look at this.

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See, when she smiles.

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This is her just sort of playing it naturalistically and she's mom

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and she's looking at Wesley doing his sort of science experiment.

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And what I think is really interesting is after that shot, she

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doesn't appear again in this scene.

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And it's almost as if the director has forgotten to do any

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coverage of her.

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Like, she disappears from this scene completely.

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So we just had her smiling.

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I actually missed the flash of light because it's not visible to

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us.

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What we see is the flash of light kind of on the monitor, like we

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the camera's on the monitor, and we see the flash of light just on

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the monitor.

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And so she's disappeared from this scene.

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And they they sort of talk Technobabble for a bit, so we forget

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about it.

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And then he goes, Mum?

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Yes, that's right.

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So she's disappeared from the scene, but it just looks like he

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just concludes that she's gone.

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Yeah, she now now listen to that interminable bloody

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technobabble.

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So he doesn't think anything of it because he thinks she's just

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walked off.

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But this is the point at which she disappears.

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And now we won't be back here for the rest of the episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah?

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And none of that's acknowledged.

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It's very ugly.

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No, TNG.

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Because normally they spell everything out.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And now she's in now, this isn't quite a long opening act, isn't

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it?

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Isn't this quite a long chase?

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Do you think it's like...

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Over 5 over 5 minutes.

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And this is the sort of thing they do now, isn't it?

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They'll do the length of the pre-credits to whatever the story

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needs.

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Whereas back then it was often sort of a minute or so, wasn't it?

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A minute and a half .

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Yeah.

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And there's lots of lovely shots of these empty sets.

325
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Yeah, I mean, I'm always reminded just how cheap they all.

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I mean, back in the day, I thought this was the most luxurious

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lavish.

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If I went to a hotel like this, I would have been absolutely

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thrilled.

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And it does look like a hotel that you might go to. instead of

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1990 as well.

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R on the walls.

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But compare it to the sort of standard cabin set on strangely

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worlds, which is just massive, you know, and fabulously

335
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overdecorated and all of that.

336
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Okay, I've got to do it now.

337
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Okay, whilst the credits playing out because I've never seen a

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performance as eccentric as Gates McFadden.

339
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Who, you're right.

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When she's a mother and a friend, she's perfectly naturalistic and

341
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there's humour in her performance and she visibly relaxes on the

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screen.

343
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Yeah, yeah.

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And when she's a doctor or a professional, and in a Star Trek

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episode where she's having to deliver techno babble or

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exposition.

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This glazed look comes over her face, like she's been taken over

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by someone, which is the possibility it's next generation after

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all.

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But it's not the case, where she delivers every line

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monotonously.

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Yeah.

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Like a robot and she swings between those two, sometimes in the

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same scene.

355
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And I just, I don't get it.

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Like, we've talked about Avery Bruce's performance in the past and

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where I've said he's a bit of a dangerous actor.

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Sometimes he'll deliver so much emotion.

359
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It goes over an edge a bit and it's a bit embarrassing.

360
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But there's always a consistency to how he's playing the part.

361
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Whereas it literally feels like she's playing 2 parts.

362
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Yeah.

363
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Yeah, she does seem super uncomfortable with all the all the sort

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of Star Trekness.

365
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Because like in Picard series 3, she's great, but she's not being

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the doctor, she's not she's being a mother.

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In fact, they put her back in that role of being a mother to...

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There was a few moments or so where she got to deliver some Star

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Trek exposition and that glazed look came back.

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I was like, oh, yes.

371
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We're back in the 90s.

372
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You know, I don't want to shit all over it because I think this is

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a fun episode and she gets a brilliant role.

374
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Um, but she does she does sabotage some scenes.

375
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Yeah.

376
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Well, so I think this is quite good because again, it's just her

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kind of being normal.

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He's, uh...

379
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Look at her eyes.

380
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There's a deadness to her eyes.

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It's like a fish that's just been caught.

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So what do we think we're supposed to think?

383
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So it looks like some kind of weird conspiracy, doesn't it?

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not unusual in a next generation episode.

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And it's going, it goes for like quite a considerable amount of

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time before it starts to get ridiculous, you know, before massive

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numbers of people start disappearing and stuff like that.

388
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I think initially when I watched this, I wondered if this was

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Quace, that he committed suicide or that he was involved in

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something or he'd been kidnapped or something like that.

391
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Yeah.

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And I think the fingers pointing in that direction for the 1st act

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that something that he's involved in, that's what he's got

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missing.

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Because the whole 1st act is given over to the fact that he's

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gone.

397
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Yeah, do you know what I think is a mistake is that we never see

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him again, that he doesn't come back at the end of the year.

399
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Terrible makeup as usual, but then they can't do old Asia makeup.

400
00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:45.359
No, but do you know what I meant?

401
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Do you know what I mean?

402
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That where's Quace at the end?

403
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He clearly didn't disappear but we never see it.

404
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He was literally a day player.

405
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

406
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He just did that one scene.

407
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Do you know, my friend Peter had to write 12,000, 1200 words

408
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12,000, that would have been something. 1200 words about Dr. Dalen

409
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Quest for the Star Trek Fact files when he was working for it?

410
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And, you know, like he's on screen for like 4 minutes.

411
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He wasn't allowed to make anything up because it was the fact file

412
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so only facts were allowed.

413
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Oh, shit.

414
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Because what you did in yours with Edson McKnight or what was her

415
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name?

416
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I just, yeah, yeah, yeah.

417
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No, he had to write an article about Dale and Quest just based on

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that one scene.

419
00:19:28.019 --> 00:19:28.559
Wow.

420
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And he managed to have about 12,000 words. 1200, 1200 words.

421
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Oh, okay.

422
00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.440
But still. that's something I'll go looking for it.

423
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I'll regale the next episode.

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I loved all of this.

425
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You know, you know the procedure, Dr. Beverly.

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If you're going to have somebody on the ship.

427
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She's kind of in trouble now.

428
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But even so, there's still, there's still sort of a flirtation

429
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that says something wrong.

430
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Whereas, you know, very quickly we realise something big is

431
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wrong.

432
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

433
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So it looks like it looks like some weird conspiracy is

434
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happening.

435
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But I do like, like I actually like her disbelief.

436
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I'm buying her disbelief at all of this.

437
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Later on, she gets a line where she's like, you know, people are

438
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telling me that babies that I delivered.

439
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Do not exist.

440
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She delivered those lines brilliantly.

441
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Yeah.

442
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But these two, do you know what I mean?

443
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it is, I think she's really great.

444
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She must have got this one for her.

445
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Gates McFatten have been like, oh, finally.

446
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It'd be fun to do.

447
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Oh, and actually, you know what?

448
00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.799
We said they were using that coat when she when she fell

449
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pregnant.

450
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She doesn't know she's pretty at this point. she's still using it

451
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She's, yeah, yeah.

452
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So her pregnancy plays into this episode as well.

453
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So here's Colm.

454
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He's so young, doesn't he?

455
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He's never looked young.

456
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Do you know, he's wonderful.

457
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When I saw him in an interview recently, you know, he's a grizzled

458
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old Irishman now, you know, too much Guinness.

459
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But the way he talks about the behind the scenes crew on Star Trek

460
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and the admiration that he had for the hours they did and things

461
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like that.

462
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He thanks the right people.

463
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Right.

464
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Bless him.

465
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That's pretty great.

466
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Because, I mean, he, you know, he is a potentially a bigger deal

467
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in Star Trek.

468
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.019
And obviously, Star Trek had to work around him a bit because of

469
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his availability because of other projects at the time, right?

470
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Weird enough, you know, in terms of movies.

471
00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:31.140
It's him and his wife, isn't it?

472
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Rost and Chow as well.

473
00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:35.460
Those 2 are vanishing from the show to get movies.

474
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Yeah.

475
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Yeah.

476
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Do you know what?

477
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It is lovely as well, to have an episode where we're entirely on

478
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the enterprise. and we just get to enjoy the sets because you and

479
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I both have a love for these incredibly cheap but nostalgic sets.

480
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Yeah, I think they're beautiful.

481
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Like, I do think that they're beautiful.

482
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I think the bridge is terrible.

483
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I love the...

484
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I've only just noticed there's carpet on the walls in the turbo.

485
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I put on the walls on the turbo lift.

486
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.980
One of the turbo lift goes the wrong way.

487
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.180
It appears to be going up out of the bridge a bit later on.

488
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:10.980
So they don't always quite get that right.

489
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But I think that's...

490
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How do you notice things like that?

491
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Oh, you'll see.

492
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:15.960
I'll show you.

493
00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:17.700
Just like what's happening here?

494
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:22.799
Okay, so Dr. Beverly is like, something is wrong here.

495
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I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

496
00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:29.640
And she doesn't even do the, she doesn't even do the thing on

497
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him.

498
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:30.960
Does she?

499
00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:34.559
She never does the examination because what?

500
00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:36.599
I think he vanishes, doesn't he?

501
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.640
No, no, no, no, no, no.

502
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:39.180
No, no, no.

503
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:40.200
I think it's something interesting.

504
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:40.680
What is it?

505
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:42.779
Oh, making up the story as I go now.

506
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.960
Oh, Dr. Hill and Dr. Salah aren't there.

507
00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:47.759
Oh, that's right.

508
00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:49.799
She calls for Dr. Hill.

509
00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:57.119
So there was a scene with Dr. Hill's spouse that was cut, um, where

510
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:04.380
the spouse didn't remember Dr. Hill at all or something.

511
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.160
So like some weird thing, like they were on the ship and they

512
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.380
didn't recognise, but then that was cut.

513
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.980
Dr. Salah is said to have been on the ship for months.

514
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.180
They mentioned her all the time.

515
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:16.859
I wish it. if Susie Paxton.

516
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:17.700
I wish they'd have her back.

517
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

519
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.619
Well, I mean, they do have her back, but not as Dr. Salah

520
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:22.859
obviously.

521
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.680
Do you remember the bit where she comes storming on the bridge and

522
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.019
goes, where's my sick bay crew, you know?

523
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.440
There should be 4 people on duty at all times and they're all

524
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.339
looking at her, sconced, like, you're the only, you're the only

525
00:23:35.339 --> 00:23:38.940
doctor on the, the way they play, though, all of those scenes.

526
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:39.960
I love.

527
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:44.460
As if she is completely bloody bonkers.

528
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:49.140
So look at that scene is also selling it because Beverly's not

529
00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:50.460
present in that scene.

530
00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:55.799
So that's not the real Geordie and Wesley in that scene.

531
00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:00.839
But we just very briefly, just for one moment to sell it, because

532
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.180
most of the time, she's in every scene.

533
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:11.759
Remember, she's in a meeting that they have in the observation

535
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:12.480
lounge, I think.

536
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:16.740
And then they have a conversation in the corridor after, I think

537
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:20.160
she persuades them to go back to...

538
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.859
Empathic abilities and this, like, something's not right, you know

539
00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:24.180
I don't think we will.

540
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.720
I don't think it works like that.

542
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:30.359
Well, it probably would have been a bit of a giveaway as well.

543
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.619
A very sweet animation there of the bubble.

544
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.599
Yeah, yeah, cheap.

545
00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.880
Yeah, very cheap animation.

546
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.299
Is that the new high definition effects, it might be.

547
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.680
Oh, is it?

548
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:44.759
Is that the best they can do?

549
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:46.140
Yeah, I can't tell.

550
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.940
Well, they don't want to kind of completely, you know, ride over

551
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:51.720
it, I guess.

552
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:55.140
I don't know if I can't ever quite get over the fact of how much I

553
00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:56.819
fancied it will be when I was younger.

554
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.880
So when I see him now, sort of of age, thank God.

555
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:03.960
And um, with his fabulous haircut, which I'm still mimicking, as

556
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.920
you can see, uh, It's not too just similar, isn't it?

557
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.480
No, no, that's true.

558
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:11.579
I think he's beautiful.

559
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:16.140
So I was a bit too old for that, I think, when this came out

560
00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:20.339
because I'm thinking this is 1990 and I'm kind of 21 and so he's a

561
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:21.480
bit young for me, I think.

562
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:23.819
Perfect age for me though.

563
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.359
Remember I took my copy of the book contagion to the hairdresser

564
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:28.740
and said, make me look like him.

565
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:30.299
Give me the will wheat.

566
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.640
I thought it was because I was just a fan of his.

567
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.980
I didn't quite the hairdresser probably fall.

568
00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:36.660
I see.

569
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.319
Give you the gayest haircut, go in.

570
00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:40.680
All right.

571
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:46.980
So like coming in here and having this completely deserted would

572
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:53.640
have been more, like we could have read this scene a little bit

573
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.819
more readily if there had been a lot of people in there before, but

574
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.519
they weren't because we're not paying for many extras this week.

575
00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:00.839
No, it's a shame.

576
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:02.640
Do you remember the scene at the beginning of Genesis when it was

577
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.380
all that, that's all going on.

578
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:05.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

579
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:09.240
I want to say a word for, I think, I think this might be a J

580
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.200
Chataway.

581
00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:11.880
Yes, it is.

582
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:17.160
And he brings in a lot of sort of psycho-es strings during the

583
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.940
weird scenes and I was very aware of the music in a way that I'm

584
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.799
not often aware of the music in that.

585
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:25.319
No, I think the music is pretty good in this episode.

586
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:27.000
I have to say, it is pretty cool.

587
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:30.480
He was on form at this point because he does that sort of da, da

588
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.140
da, da, da, you know, when, when the, she's clinging onto the

589
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.539
chair and being sucked into the vortex and stuff like that.

590
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.579
So this is where it now goes to hell because it can't just be a

591
00:26:41.579 --> 00:26:46.440
conspiracy to delete Dalen Quace's information from the files or

592
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:51.059
you know, something, but now there's now 230 people on the ship

593
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.940
and everyone thinks that's normal and thinks that she's weird.

594
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:58.380
And one of the things I like in this scene is where Picard says

595
00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:01.500
look, you know, I, your word has always been enough for me.

596
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.519
I will go back.

597
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:04.259
You know, I'm going to believe you.

598
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:09.000
And then, but there's the scene later where he says, I've indulged

599
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.460
you enough now. to Beverly. yeah yeah.

600
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.980
That's what really reminded me of dementia because I heard people

601
00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:16.259
talking to my nan like that, saying, we've got along with this

602
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:17.339
enough, you know.

603
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:21.779
But then that is nice because it is accelerating then and we've

604
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.119
got to a point where the disappearances are so absurd.

605
00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.160
I think half the crew Spanish at that point.

606
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:29.640
Oh, no, by this point already 900 people have vanished.

607
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:33.660
Like the crew compliment is 230 according to them.

608
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:37.980
But she goes, why would we need this vast shit just for us?

609
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.559
And data, doesn't data give an explanation?

610
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.940
Colonists, diplomatic people.

611
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.559
I don't have a crew.

612
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:47.400
Clue wrote this one.

613
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.539
Who is the writer?

614
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.940
No, I can't remember.

615
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.900
I did have a look.

616
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.119
Uh, but it was...

617
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.019
I recognise.

618
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.240
What were those lines around the disappearance?

619
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:58.619
They are zingers.

620
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.539
Well, they have to get it. particularly by the point.

621
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.119
So we don't know what's going on yet, do we?

622
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.059
Uh, no, we're not there.

623
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:10.680
It's not been spelt out to us yet, no.

624
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.640
Yeah.

625
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:13.740
So we did have that scene.

626
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:18.960
We had the scene down in engineering where they talked about

627
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.380
Quase's disappearance and the fact that someone could disappear in

628
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:23.160
a bubble.

629
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:24.059
Yeah.

630
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:28.200
So we've got enough information now if we've got our wits about us

631
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.700
to know what's going on, but we haven't been told yet.

632
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.019
And to confess, I don't have any memory of actually working it

633
00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:37.200
out.

634
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:38.880
I suspect I probably didn't.

635
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:41.940
But it was certainly possible, I think.

636
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.940
But this, the warmth between the 2 of them is quite nice here.

637
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.299
This episode was written by Lee Sheldon. okay?

638
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.599
It's the only script he wrote for Star Trek.

639
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:56.220
And he was a producer on the 1st 8 episodes of the 4th season, and

640
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.259
that's the only part of Star Trek contouch.

641
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.119
That's a solid run of episodes.

642
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:02.220
Maybe Lee Sheldon should have stuck around a bit longer.

643
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.619
Oh this is great.

644
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.019
This is so Twilight Zone, this isn't it?

645
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:07.619
Yeah.

646
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.839
Well, this is a Twilight episode.

647
00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.740
Yeah.

648
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.700
Yeah.

649
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.559
And it's a weird thing.

650
00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:16.259
It's like another weird thing that doesn't seem to have any

651
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:17.759
connection with what's been going on.

652
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:21.480
Like, what's the effects of the next generation?

653
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:25.740
But the way that light sort of peaks out of the door, sporadically

654
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:26.220
I think so too.

655
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:27.059
It's really great.

656
00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:30.599
Okay, you can't just get, you know, fire up a computer and do it

657
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.640
in after effects or anything like that.

658
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:36.900
You have to shoot some physical thing and then kind of mad it in

659
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:37.980
there or whatever.

660
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.119
I think it's really good.

661
00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:43.980
Yeah, so this is, this is where um, Deanna is.

662
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.559
She's in this scene and then after it.

663
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:51.660
You've said to me before, like half of the joy of watching the

664
00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:55.559
next generation was seeing competent people at work doing their

665
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:55.980
jobs.

666
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.759
We have done a number of episodes where that's been boring as hell

667
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.460
like the masterpiece society, where there just wasn't enough

668
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:04.440
character to keep us in.

669
00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.140
But it's so great here because they're always taking a piss out of

670
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:09.839
it, how all of them are misremembering things all the time.

671
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:13.680
But they're still going for all the usual routines of tech, all

672
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.099
that we love.

673
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

674
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.200
But we, I mean, we still don't know what's going on.

675
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:24.119
But yeah, I think because this space problem is so interesting

676
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.660
like it's just so much fun and because of the misdirect, because

677
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:32.940
of the way this story has been told, where Beverly's actually

678
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:36.000
disappeared from the real ship and has been on a fake ship ever

679
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.559
since that final scene in the in the teaser where she goes to

680
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.460
Das's quarters.

681
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:46.559
I'll show you how... how clever they've gotten in the 4th season.

682
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:48.059
Can you imagine it's in season one?

683
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.799
It would be so ham fisted.

684
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:52.380
Yeah, the structure of it would be terrible.

685
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.299
Yeah.

686
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.319
Yeah, so he's the sort of stupid explanation for why all the rooms

687
00:30:58.319 --> 00:30:59.099
are empty.

688
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.680
And now it's 114 people.

689
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:04.200
Transportation of colonists, diplomatic missions, diplomatic

690
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.059
missions, emergency evacuations.

691
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.160
Yes, thank you, metadata.

692
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:08.700
That'll do.

693
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.619
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.039
And so they're still trading, they're still trading her

695
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.519
seriously.

696
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.319
This line.

697
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:17.640
I want Mr. Watson.

698
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:18.420
I'm sorry.

699
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.859
Who did you say?

700
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.279
And her delivery. on this line where she goes.

701
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:26.039
What is it she says?

702
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:27.720
The big guy who never smiles.

703
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:31.500
But isn't it?

704
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:32.940
They're doing it kind of weird.

705
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:36.000
That is that weird twilight zone where we get shots of people kind

706
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.619
of looking sceptical about her.

707
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:41.160
And like to that moment, I know what you mean because there is

708
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.960
that thing where people who are dement who are dementing.

709
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:51.059
Like people have dementia, get these sort of strange ideas and you

710
00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:52.799
just...

711
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.079
Everyone in that home was trying to poison her, you know.

712
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:55.680
Yeah.

713
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.779
Initially, we went, no, they're not.

714
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.059
And they went, just go with it because you're never going to

715
00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:01.920
convince her otherwise. that's right.

716
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:05.759
And so there is that moment where Picard stops data from

717
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.640
explaining what all of the things are.

718
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:14.400
And then we all kind of, so we're all sort of believing her until

719
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.420
she refers to Mr. Worf, and then they all go, no, actually she's

720
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:19.980
really lost it at this point.

721
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:25.920
I love this scene between Troy and Oz Beverly because Troy doesn't

722
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.680
she doesn't understand what Dr. Beverly's talking about, but she

723
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.140
goes, look, let's just, let's just investigate it.

724
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.339
If it slows us down a bit.

725
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.119
Who cares?

726
00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:36.779
We've just got there a little slower, but we'll put your mind at

727
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:37.019
rest.

728
00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:40.200
But also the way she delivers So what?

729
00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:43.619
You know, like it's, she's, it's her being a good girl.

730
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.059
It's her good girl performance.

731
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.799
And then she says, so what?

732
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:47.519
We'll be late.

733
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.299
Who cares?

734
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.980
It'll be all right, you know?

735
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:53.880
The more we watch the next generation, the more I think they

736
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.720
missed a trick by not giving these 2 more scenes together.

737
00:32:57.779 --> 00:33:00.720
Because when they are together, the chemistry is real, you know?

738
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:06.480
But also making Marina be such a good girl when she's not that at

739
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:06.779
all.

740
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.940
And she could have been a funnier, you know, sassier counsellor.

741
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.420
Yeah, where she runs in, she's scared about where he's going to be

742
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:15.660
missing.

743
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.420
It looks like he has vanished and he just goes, Mom?

744
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.740
He just walks in.

745
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.339
But the way he leaves the shot as well, because it would spoil it

746
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:25.380
if we ever saw anyone disappear.

747
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.740
And so he just doesn't make it into the next shot.

748
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.839
So she comes around the corner.

749
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:34.980
There's a new camera angle, like a new shot, and he doesn't make

750
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:37.680
it from the previous shot into the new shot as she's leaving

751
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.140
engineering, which I think is just well done.

752
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.559
Do you remember the other episode that it's not this premise, but

753
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:48.839
it's the same idea that the one person is behaving in an unusual

754
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:53.519
way and thinks he, so your Brian episode whispers of DS9, where

755
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.819
the twist is, he's a dupe.

756
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.619
We don't know that, obviously.

757
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.740
And so he thinks that everyone's been possessed and is behaving

758
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:04.200
weird because they're all acting weird around him the whole

759
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.039
episode. and that actually drops its twist in the very last

760
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:08.639
scene.

761
00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:11.579
And I think that's probably the only the only time they've done

762
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:13.320
this again, but bested it.

763
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.820
Yeah.

764
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.300
But I love I love all this. you don't believe me, do you?

765
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.159
And he's trying very hard to be gentle with her.

766
00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:23.039
Like he's like, no, I don't, you know?

767
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.760
Yes, this look, here we go.

768
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.920
Because the joy of it.

769
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:33.059
And there she goes, and now he doesn't make it into that shot.

770
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.539
Oh, no, did you say a bunch of fists and Wesley?

771
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.320
But the joy of it is they're both right.

773
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.639
The universe is contracting.

774
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:44.519
So from their point of view, they're right and she's the outsider

775
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.139
looking in and she's right as well.

776
00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.179
It means you can constantly have these absurd conversations where

777
00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:51.900
everyone's right.

778
00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:57.179
I think it's good that both of them come up with a Tao Alpha C

779
00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:57.539
thing.

780
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.460
Oh, this is the best.

781
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.059
Do you know what I mean?

782
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.260
The whole episode, Nathan.

783
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:02.820
It's so funny, isn't it?

784
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.420
It's my most quoted line of Star Trek, the next.

785
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:12.480
Captain, why have we got this enormous ship, just you and me.

786
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.219
Oh, she's smiling.

787
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.619
I think she's just giving it to the man.

788
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.480
Yeah, I think that that's what's happening.

789
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.800
I think that that's what's happening.

790
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:24.659
She should have just said, oh, give up.

791
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.019
Well, she's learned the rules now.

792
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:31.739
Let me guess.

793
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:32.820
She has learned the rules.

794
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.079
You never heard of any of them.

795
00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

796
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.340
And yeah.

797
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:42.179
Like, what does he remember then at that point of everything.

798
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.139
Do you know what I mean?

799
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.519
Because he's not real, it's fine.

800
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:46.860
Um, yeah.

801
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.579
And this, like, I think this is a bit overwritten, but she is

802
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:51.239
really good in it.

803
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:51.900
Yeah.

804
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.519
Yeah.

805
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:59.099
I think that this speech actually is terrible at BM though.

806
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.599
Why, what does she say?

807
00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:04.380
Oh, you know, they deserve better than to have their lives pinched

808
00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:04.739
out.

809
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.019
You know, I will remember them, blah, blah, blah.

810
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:11.460
And also, like it's so cheesy and sort of shockingly bad.

811
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.559
Wesley, my son.

812
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:14.880
I want to execute myself.

813
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.019
I've been peddling that line out for the last 4 years.

814
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.800
When he got zapped off the ship and when the bowel breaks, They've

815
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.699
taken my son.

816
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.460
Yeah, it's just a little bit cheesy because we know they're not

817
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:30.239
gone as well.

818
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:31.260
They deserve so much more.

819
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.099
That's a bit crap.

820
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.699
The worst thing is when she's got no one to talk to, and she's

821
00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:36.960
having to figure it all out on her own.

822
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.780
She can't deliver any of that naturalistically.

823
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.539
Well, no one can because you don't do that.

824
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.960
If you're on your own, you don't narrate your thought processes.

825
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:49.739
She has to sort of prostrate to her son who's not there.

826
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.179
Wesley.

827
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.500
What do I do?

828
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:58.260
No, but like she's, we see her thought processes and that is the

829
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:01.619
thing, which is fun, is she's working it out and she's right.

830
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.420
She's sort of clever.

831
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.780
We've never needed a crew before, Dr Beverly?

832
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.699
Yeah.

833
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.800
I really actually like how she's delivering this, the disbelief

834
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.780
and the he's pretty great.

835
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.079
I really like the tempoles with the traveller.

836
00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:21.960
So that he's there in season one.

837
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.679
He's there in season 4 and then he's there in season seven.

838
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:26.219
Yeah.

839
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:26.940
Yeah.

840
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:32.159
And that's the joy of having a 7 year series where you can play

841
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:32.880
those things out.

842
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.659
And even I don't like Journey's End, which is Wesley's last

843
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:37.980
episode.

844
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.559
I do like the fact that his character goes on that journey and

845
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:41.880
then goes off with him at the end.

846
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:43.260
Yeah, yep.

847
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:48.420
And then only to reappear in the final episode.

848
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:49.260
Will Wheaton's close.

849
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.900
Series 2. in his own clothes.

850
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:53.039
Not out of shave.

851
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:54.119
Star Trek Picard.

852
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:57.360
You've forgotten how to deliver dialogue.

853
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:59.159
So cute.

854
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.980
Oh, did you see Patrick Stewart that?

855
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.880
He folded his little funny face. cheeky look on his face.

856
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:08.880
All right, I'll indulge you.

858
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:14.519
So we sit here for a while and we hear, what is it, say his blood

859
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.039
pressure and stuff and making sort of wibbly noises in the

860
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.940
background and things.

861
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.099
You know what?

862
00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:23.579
I can see the rushes coming in from this episode and the producers

863
00:38:23.579 --> 00:38:26.579
and the accountants going, rubbing their hands together going.

864
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.440
This is great stuff, you know.

865
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:29.940
Cheap stuff.

866
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800
Let's get this writer in again.

867
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:33.480
Yeah.

868
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:35.760
He actually went on to this other shows.

869
00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:37.139
He went on to do more important things.

870
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.699
Well, right.

871
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.980
So there he goes.

872
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.619
And have we Dewey tease this?

873
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.079
She has some, that's a great shot, isn't it?

874
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:47.340
Oh, fuck off.

875
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.179
The 2nd he vanishes, she goes like, Jean-Luc, you and I, she's

876
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.380
going to say how she feels about it.

877
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. show.

878
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.000
Why can't they ever admit how they feel?

879
00:38:57.059 --> 00:39:03.840
Well, they do in Series 7, but they don't want to upset... dealing

880
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:04.440
with the consequence.

881
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.400
No, it's exactly right.

882
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:07.739
They don't upset the status quo.

883
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.639
The one paragraph treatment of the character in the series Bible

884
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.420
is true all the way through and that's deliberate.

885
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.219
Now this is the scene.

886
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.119
This is the day.

887
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.059
So she's this is her doing this.

888
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.079
Like rolling around.

889
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:23.940
It's literally being dragged along the floor.

890
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:24.960
Yep.

891
00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:30.000
When, when, there's a fantastic shot where they've put the chair

892
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.739
on the roof on a wall or something and she's dangling from it

893
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:35.099
there.

894
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.460
So that chair's on the wall and she's dangling from it.

895
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.280
And then she go home and discover she's pregnant.

896
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:43.679
The doctor, she...

897
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:46.440
No, I don't want you to do anything too strenuous on the Star Trek

898
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.719
the next generation because you're having a baby.

899
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:54.119
And then she says, oh, actually, did I tell you what I got up to

900
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:54.599
today?

901
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.460
And so this.

902
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.960
So this shot, that shot is like nothing that you ever see in Star

903
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:01.320
Trek.

904
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:04.679
The lighting. the way it's directed, all of that sort of thing is

905
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.739
super weird, and that's the real world.

906
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.280
And that's the moment that we see the real world, that the

907
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.679
narrative now split between.

908
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.480
It's really good.

910
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.699
The director gets the moment right as well.

911
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:18.659
Yeah.

912
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.500
Yeah.

913
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.619
Like, I have seen twist drop in the next generation, where it's

914
00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:24.719
just a reaction shot of someone going, oh, yeah.

915
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:28.139
No, that probably lands, doesn't it?

916
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.039
And here's the trifler. bless him. very ill-fitting gray costume.

917
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.820
Yeah, he's tucked again because...

918
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:38.039
You always notice that.

919
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.139
We don't want visible dick on the show.

920
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.780
If we can avoid it.

921
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:48.599
And so he's very carefully tucked and he has those big gloves on.

922
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.320
Yes, wonder, you know, people watch back these episodes and go

923
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:53.219
what happened to my dick?

924
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

925
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:59.400
I mean, I don't think Jonathan Frank's ever said that.

926
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.500
No, I don't think so.

927
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.340
Yes.

928
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.559
So he is, I think he's, so this is where no one has gone before.

929
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:13.380
And so Kazinski, remember, was sort of a charlatan, that sort of

930
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.900
things that he says were nonsense.

931
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.880
Yeah, yeah.

932
00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:21.539
I don't think we ever meet a character as arrogant as that again.

933
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:22.920
Yeah.

934
00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.980
Yeah, he's super, super arrogant and it turns out he's not really

935
00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:26.760
doing any of it.

936
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:28.380
It's the traveller that's doing it.

937
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.119
And in contrast.

938
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:33.059
The traveler's performance is subtle and gentle.

939
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.320
He's softly spoken.

940
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.300
Actually, I think it's a great performance.

941
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:41.039
Yeah, it's a pretty great character and I do love that idea.

942
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:44.639
You know, I like his funky fingers.

943
00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:45.239
Do you see that?

944
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

945
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.480
He's got 3 fingers on each hand. all he's got.

946
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:49.139
Yeah.

947
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:55.619
So Wesley, with his, you know, because obviously he's the star

948
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:57.599
child of the Rottenberry universe.

949
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.719
He's the only one that can get Dr. Beverly back.

950
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.860
Yeah, but he doesn't stop saying that.

951
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.579
I know.

952
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.139
That's it.

953
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.179
That's because you're in love with her, just like...

954
00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:11.099
I think I might be secretly okay.

955
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.880
The thing is, is while we're talking over this, right?

956
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.760
I can't hear her insanely robotic delivery.

957
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.820
So actually, our acting seems pretty good.

958
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.659
This, like, I quite like that, you know, like, well, let's start

959
00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:27.900
with the assumption that I'm not crazy because if I am, then it

960
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:28.980
doesn't really matter anyway.

961
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:33.840
So, and now she tries to trap the computer in some kind of logical

962
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.099
thing.

963
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.019
And that's quite good.

964
00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:39.780
I do like if this is a bad dream, would you tell me that's not a

965
00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:40.440
valid question.

966
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:44.639
Like hell, it's not.

967
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:47.699
It's those throwaway lines where I sent you to know, the scene

968
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:51.179
later on where she's delivering all this exposition terribly and

969
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:53.460
then she just goes, I wasn't talking to you, all right?

970
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, to the human being again.

971
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:56.519
Yeah.

972
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:57.300
Yeah.

973
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.739
Well, I still think that her, you know, her most classic real

974
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:07.679
person moment is her listening to the man injustice and they're

975
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.619
just going, shut up and then leave.

976
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:14.519
There they go.

977
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:15.179
There we go.

978
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.079
She's got it right.

979
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.039
She's got it right.

980
00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:18.420
Why am I the only crew member?

981
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:24.300
Like, so got you there good on her and he...

982
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:25.500
I like that?

983
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:26.880
Did you see what she did then?

984
00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:29.460
So the computer says that information's not available.

985
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.760
She just sort of waves her hand dismissively as she walks along.

986
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:33.960
It's pretty good.

987
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:34.739
Oh, shut up.

988
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.360
She's got no one to impress anymore.

989
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.219
She can behave how...

990
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:40.199
In fact, I would have been a bit naughtier if it was me.

991
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:42.480
I stuck my fingers up like that.

992
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:44.639
I'd have taken my pants off.

993
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.079
I think I'd be walking around.

994
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:46.679
Don't you think?

995
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:50.760
Absolutely. in that Stargate episode when he realises he's in a

996
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.980
time loop and he can get away with whatever he was, he starts

997
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:55.860
snogging people and playing golf into the Stargate and stuff like

998
00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:56.039
that.

999
00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:57.480
She should have been a bit naughty.

1000
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.880
It's the women of TNG.

1001
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.139
They're all that naughty, are they?

1002
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.760
Well, no, not.

1003
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.139
The worst she'll do is fuck a ghost.

1004
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.000
Yeah, yeah.

1005
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:07.500
Or some guy.

1006
00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:09.179
Okay.

1007
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.199
So what are we doing?

1008
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:11.159
We're going back to.

1009
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:15.360
Oh, yes, we're going back to Stardate Star Base 133, but now the

1010
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.619
universe has disappeared.

1011
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.780
Are we going to towel Alpha C?

1012
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:19.019
Okay.

1013
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:23.760
Do you think in terms of like the one shot premise, in how this is

1014
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.199
structured, how the information is delivered, how she figured this

1015
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.219
out as we go along?

1016
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.699
Do you think it's like one of the best?

1017
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.019
I think it might be.

1018
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.539
Yeah, I think it is really good.

1019
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.940
Like, I think it's it's solidly good.

1020
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.519
Like, this is the next generation I remember.

1021
00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:45.719
The standalone ones with a really funky premise that they really

1022
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.159
get their teeth into, you know?

1023
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:51.059
And it's the sort of thing that DS9 doesn't do.

1024
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:53.519
No, you know, that's right.

1025
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:54.539
Yeah, yeah.

1026
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.940
Like, well, this is what this show is for, and I think this is

1027
00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:57.900
what people remember.

1028
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:04.980
And I think, you know, even, you know, it fails sometimes, but, you

1029
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:08.639
know, this is very odd, like it is very weird.

1030
00:45:08.699 --> 00:45:11.880
It is a very Twilight's own premise, isn't it?

1031
00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:15.599
And it relies on like a weird alternate reality in order to

1032
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:16.019
happen.

1033
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.159
And I got the impression you read the memory alpha article where

1034
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.099
they seem to be a bit kind of mare about it.

1035
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.940
Like everyone seemed to be a little bit kind of, this isn't our

1036
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:29.940
best episode or maybe this is confusing. impressed with this

1037
00:45:29.940 --> 00:45:30.239
script.

1038
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:30.599
Yeah.

1039
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.199
Apparently, Cliff Bold didn't thought it was a bit complicated and

1040
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:35.880
people wouldn't be able to get their eds around it.

1041
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:38.460
I had much faith in the audience back then, you know.

1042
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:39.719
No, that's right.

1043
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:43.079
Well, he's the man who decided to use the big subtitles for the

1044
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:44.940
insectoids indie last week.

1045
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:48.119
We're just not spelling things out enough for people.

1046
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.199
Just in case you have to read too many words. bigger, please.

1047
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:52.800
Yeah.

1048
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.739
It's wonderful.

1049
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.500
I think he's really sweet, isn't he?

1050
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.039
The traveller.

1051
00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:03.119
There something kind of sweet about it.

1052
00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:05.940
The director has the opportunity because there's no one else in

1053
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:07.559
the set to shoot these in.

1054
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:10.440
It's not particularly dynamic, but he's getting some wonderful

1055
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.900
angles of like the whole set around her.

1056
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.860
He just shot there between the 2 chairs, but he was on the floor.

1057
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.619
The camera was on the floor, looking up at her at the security

1058
00:46:19.619 --> 00:46:20.280
station.

1059
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.019
But that shot.

1060
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1061
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:24.780
That's awesome, isn't it?

1062
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:28.920
But the shot of just those chairs in the foreground is another one

1063
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.400
of those.

1064
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:31.920
Fuck, this is a weird looking set.

1065
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:33.840
It's laid out in such a strange way.

1066
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:40.019
What's worth remembering is all the time we spend in these sets

1067
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:40.800
for 7 years.

1068
00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:44.639
Yeah, even though they were pretty terribly designed for the most

1069
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:44.940
part.

1070
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.880
That's what embedded in our heads.

1071
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.840
Yeah.

1072
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.139
So when they turn those lights on in Picard series 3.

1073
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.820
It's magic.

1074
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.420
And everyone got the chills, you know, it took everyone back to

1075
00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:59.099
the 90s where we were watching this.

1076
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.739
It's so funny because I just never expected them to do it.

1077
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.260
Like it never occurred to me that we would get them back on the

1078
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:08.699
Enterprise D. And it's kind of like, oh, of course they had to do

1079
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:10.619
this, that this was inevitable.

1080
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:11.820
So great.

1081
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:17.159
Yes, the universe is a spheroid region 705 metres in diameter. is

1082
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:18.179
so good.

1083
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:19.619
It's so great.

1084
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.519
And so the ship is too big to fit in it is kind of what's

1085
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:24.960
happening because it's contracting.

1086
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.219
That I don't.

1087
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:28.980
She doesn't really figure a way out, does she?

1088
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.059
Wesley does it for her.

1089
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:31.199
Yeah.

1090
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:33.900
It would have been quite nice if she could sort of unlock the

1091
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.320
puzzle.

1092
00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:36.239
But I know that's another part of his journey.

1093
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:39.300
It's not really about this episode, is it?

1094
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:40.079
No.

1095
00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:46.019
She does work out that they must be trying to do it.

1096
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.539
Like, so she works out what the vortex is.

1097
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.079
And given that the ship's contracting, she works out that she has

1098
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.659
to go to engineering and she works out that that's where the

1099
00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:55.199
bubble is.

1100
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:58.619
She has to go to engineering so he can save.

1101
00:47:58.619 --> 00:48:01.920
Because remember, I think the traveller says she has to decide to

1102
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:02.460
come out.

1103
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.260
Doesn't he?

1104
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.920
And so it has to be her choice to leave this reality that she's

1105
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:08.340
created.

1106
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.579
And so I think she contributes to her own rescue.

1107
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.320
That was me stuck in the bubble.

1108
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.860
I probably would have just sat down and went, oh, well, that's the

1109
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:17.039
end.

1110
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.059
I can't help it. notice how much my hair looks like Wesley

1111
00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:21.539
Brushes.

1112
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.159
I know I brought it up earlier.

1113
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.340
He's got really bad skin in this episode.

1114
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.440
I think he really has enough sense on me.

1115
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.940
Clean his face.

1116
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.840
I just kept saying, why is he, why does his boy have such a dirty

1117
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.320
face?

1118
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:35.159
He's on television.

1119
00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:35.820
What's going on?

1120
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:41.099
This is the same now that, oh, this is some dreadful acting in a

1121
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:43.559
minute where she has to look to the camera or just off camera.

1122
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:46.559
Yeah, they fail.

1123
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:48.960
And you're right.

1124
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:50.760
She's she's a beautiful woman.

1125
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.960
She's lovely to look at.

1126
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.679
But she is a variable actress.

1127
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
00:48:57.780 --> 00:49:01.500
But she is doing something that's pretty difficult here, I think

1129
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:05.340
because we don't, like, she gets to talk to the computer and

1130
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:06.900
that's how we get dialogue out of her.

1131
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.800
But having her verbalise all of the steps that now he is, see this

1132
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:11.340
thing, right?

1133
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.900
Bulkhead 342.

1134
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:15.659
That part of the ship isn't accessible because the thing's

1135
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:16.440
contracting, right?

1136
00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:23.280
Now, look at how close the edge of that bubble is to the bridge in

1137
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:27.119
this shot. should be gone into the top of the saucer.

1138
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:32.820
And yeah, and like it's shrinking at like 15 metres per 2nd or

1139
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:33.119
something.

1140
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:36.300
And it's just like, why is it still here then?

1141
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.000
It's like they don't know where the bridge is.

1142
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.079
Like we go back to the bridge.

1143
00:49:40.139 --> 00:49:40.920
Oh, it's nearly there.

1144
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:41.400
Nope.

1145
00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:45.059
We could have cleaned that up in the HD restoration, couldn't we?

1146
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.840
Made it a bit slower.

1147
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1148
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.059
If that's our only complaint in the whole episode.

1149
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.940
No, no, but it just sort of is pretty silly.

1150
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:02.460
Yeah, so, yeah, so although he's using his magical space powers

1151
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:07.199
you know, to influence subspace or whatever, she does, she does

1152
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:07.860
the decision.

1153
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.960
So I think that she doesn't...

1154
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.440
At this point, though. like most Star Trek episodes, I was like, I

1155
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:14.639
don't really care how this ends.

1156
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:15.900
This has been such a ride.

1157
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1158
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.340
Fire, tie it up, you know. throw her into the light.

1159
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.019
She's back.

1160
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.460
I do, I did Wonderland.

1161
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.880
You right.

1162
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.380
The fact that we don't see Quace again.

1163
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.699
It feels very quick.

1164
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.880
She sort of steps through the light and they go, oh, I'm back.

1165
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.659
How many are on the ship?

1166
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.260
A 1000?

1167
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:32.940
We're back when we go.

1168
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.860
That sort of should be end credits.

1169
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.840
It's very perfect.

1170
00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:38.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1171
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.119
That's right.

1172
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:40.739
Remember me in future and perfect.

1173
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.500
It's so weird though, because it's 2 back to back where they're

1174
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.000
fundamentally changing.

1175
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.539
Yeah.

1176
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.860
The crime of the show.

1177
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.159
It's almost like they're acknowledging, I'm not sure this is

1178
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:50.760
working, you know.

1179
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:51.960
Let's have some fun with this.

1180
00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:56.340
Well, it's the, it's, it is a similar thing, isn't it?

1181
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.880
It's the mystery of what is this apparent weird thing that's

1182
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:03.360
happening to me, what's behind it, and next week, the solution

1183
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:08.039
will be, a big alien holodeck, which is the 1st thing that Mariner

1184
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:09.420
would have guessed, I would think.

1185
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:12.900
Oh, shit about a field day in this, was she?

1186
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:16.860
She'd be listening off every episode.

1187
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:17.400
Right.

1188
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:20.280
Well, it's just like the conspiracy in that one and that one.

1189
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:25.079
So she's getting it, right?

1190
00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:26.699
She's absolutely getting it here.

1191
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:28.320
That's when I started losing everybody.

1192
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:32.219
She's like, and again, this is super hard to act because she is

1193
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:34.199
just telling us the staff.

1194
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:35.460
I think it might be.

1195
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:36.300
She gets it all right.

1196
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.460
Oh, she's talking to the computer.

1197
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:44.880
I'm not talking to you. my ambition to find a scene in Star Trek

1198
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:48.840
now where somebody has to talk to themselves, but delivers it in a

1199
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:49.739
very powerful way.

1200
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:52.199
Oh, no, wait.

1201
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.599
What about Avery Brooks in the Pal Moonlight?

1202
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:56.699
He was talking to himself throughout the whole episode.

1203
00:51:56.820 --> 00:51:58.320
No, he's talking about us.

1204
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.659
He's talking, he's dictating a log.

1205
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:07.199
That thing, click my heels 3 times together and I'm back in Kansas

1206
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:13.019
is such an unusual thing for them to do because they don't do pop

1207
00:52:13.019 --> 00:52:17.760
culture references at all in Star Trek, the next generation

1208
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:17.940
really.

1209
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:19.260
No, they don't.

1210
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:19.860
And do you know what?

1211
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.980
It's the 2nd they do it twice as well because when Harry Kim is

1212
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.019
strapped down to the table in the Thor.

1213
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.659
The clown says to him, why don't you try clicking your heels

1214
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:28.980
together 3 times, right?

1215
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:29.460
Oh, okay.

1216
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:31.679
Your legs are restrained, aren't they?

1217
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:35.699
I can't wait till we get that one.

1218
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:37.199
Oh, yeah.

1219
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.019
Well, Michael McKean is just absolutely superb.

1220
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.420
And this.

1221
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:43.800
Oh, this is the bit.

1222
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:47.400
This is this is the scene I sent Nathan on our chat, Fred.

1223
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.940
How do I find it?

1224
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.239
Wesley, you know, where do I go?

1225
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.000
Look at her face.

1226
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.019
Yeah, it's very strange, isn't it?

1227
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.260
I love this scene too.

1228
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.179
When she's going to the bridge.

1229
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:11.039
No, to engineering, she runs to engineering, and that sort of

1230
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:15.000
purple mist that's outside the ship, that is the region of space

1231
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.260
you know, full of electromagnetic charge or whatever, like is

1232
00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:22.619
chasing her down the corridor and erasing the corridor behind her

1233
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:23.340
as she runs.

1234
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:24.840
And I think that's really good.

1235
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.159
Don't you think?

1236
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:27.480
Now watch the lift go up.

1237
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.380
Watch lift go up.

1238
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.679
Take me anywhere on deck 36.

1239
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:32.639
Deck 36.

1240
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.059
Oh, yeah.

1241
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:34.260
We're on deck one.

1242
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:35.280
Look, look.

1243
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.059
Are we going up?

1244
00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:42.480
We haven't got time to reshoot that, all right?

1245
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:44.639
It's supposed to be in a cheap episode.

1246
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:46.500
Yeah, look, look, look.

1247
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:47.099
This is great.

1248
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.340
And it is just everything turns purple and it's chasing her down

1249
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:50.940
the corridor.

1250
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:55.860
You can't hear it, but Jay Chataway's doing his best. da, da, da

1251
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:56.400
you know, music.

1252
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:01.500
And this light, you know, like this lighting is super effective.

1253
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:06.000
And them disappearing in that shot. like they're silhouettes with

1254
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.840
the light shining through.

1255
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:08.460
I can always make good.

1256
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.519
Rick Berman sitting there as a rush is coming in going, this is

1257
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.380
all a bit visually interesting for me, you know.

1258
00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:16.559
This is all a bit dramatically staged.

1259
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:18.300
Whoa.

1260
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.639
Go for it, Gates. was great.

1261
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:22.260
She really threw herself across.

1262
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.639
She is a pregnant woman.

1263
00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:26.699
She should not be throwing herself around a thing like that.

1264
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.679
She's very early in a pregnancy.

1265
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:32.159
So this is the pregnancy that made the host such an unsexy

1266
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.539
experience for her.

1267
00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:38.519
And of course, I'm sweaty. huge.

1268
00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:40.500
Don't give me a romance episode.

1269
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:45.599
Say, this is and her son James, who's now in his 30s, of course

1270
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.519
comes of it.

1271
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:52.980
That's how space on Wesley. calls him that in every one of our

1272
00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:56.639
podcast episodes, Gates McFadden investigates, which I have

1273
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:58.800
mentioned before, and I would recommend again.

1274
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:03.239
Should you wish to delve into the extraneous lives of Star Trek

1275
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:05.219
actors, because I don't really talk about Star Trek match.

1276
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.440
But the rest of their life is nice, isn't it?

1277
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:08.579
Yeah.

1278
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.400
I think this is nice Well, suddenly she's a mother again, so she's

1279
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:11.820
very natural.

1280
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1281
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.539
I'm not sure what Wesley Crush is doing.

1282
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:16.440
He's not holding it.

1283
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:21.420
I think he's supposed to be conveying relief, but he's not quite

1284
00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:22.440
managing at all.

1285
00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:24.119
Oh, course.

1286
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.219
It's like I nearly lost her.

1287
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:30.059
I've come to the conclusion, you know, that although it is

1288
00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:33.719
glorious that we discuss the entirety of Star Trek.

1289
00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:37.019
I'm not sure we ever have more fun than when we're in the 90s.

1290
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1291
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:41.280
Well, there's good things and bad things.

1292
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:45.719
It's uh, just what we want and it's uh, distant enough in the past

1293
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:46.260
now.

1294
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:51.900
It's obviously more distant to us now than Star Trek, the original

1295
00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:53.639
series was to it.

1296
00:55:53.699 --> 00:55:55.079
Right?

1297
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.239
Yeah, so this is sort of cheesy old TV for us now.

1298
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:01.199
Wow, which is fun.

1299
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.940
As cheesy old TV.

1300
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.860
Oh, I thought that was so much fun.

1301
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.179
Really good.

1302
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:11.579
Like that, that is doing what Next Generation did better than all

1303
00:56:11.579 --> 00:56:12.179
the other shows.

1304
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.820
Oh, I really want to say that very often.

1305
00:56:14.940 --> 00:56:18.599
I think TOS, what did TOS do better than all the other shows?

1306
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:22.320
Do you think it's like the 3 regulars and those dynamics?

1307
00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1308
00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:25.739
Next Generation did the premise episode.

1309
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:27.719
DS9 did the politicking.

1310
00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:28.800
Boy, Jack.

1311
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:32.039
Who knows what it did?

1312
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:34.260
It did a bunch of things sometimes very well, sometimes

1313
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:35.519
shockingly.

1314
00:56:35.579 --> 00:56:37.920
But mostly stuff that the other shows had already done.

1315
00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:38.699
Yeah that's right.

1316
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.420
And enterprise was its own thing. was what it was pissing off.

1317
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.019
People like you and betraying the values of the Star Trek

1318
00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:46.559
universe.

1319
00:56:46.619 --> 00:56:50.579
But this was, for me, this was next generation that is high

1320
00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:55.440
because I don't really want them to be earnest or lecturing me, you

1321
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.460
know, or stuff like the Masterpiece Society where it's a vaguely

1322
00:56:59.460 --> 00:57:01.679
interesting premise, but they do nothing with it.

1323
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:02.280
Yeah.

1324
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.539
I wanted to just take out one big juicy idea and just wring it for

1325
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:07.139
all it's worth.

1326
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1327
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.719
And they do it really well.

1328
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:15.300
That was just the solid, fun, high concept Twilight Zone episode

1329
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:18.420
which is also the thing that Lower Decks makes fun of, isn't it?

1330
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:22.860
Like just that some ludicrously preposterous space thing happens

1331
00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.719
to them every week on the ship.

1332
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.280
And that's a thing.

1333
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:32.880
I think I prefer it even more when they take like uh, absurd

1334
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.780
premise. like this, this was a, this was like vaguely plausible.

1335
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.199
But when they take someone like, like, like the game. you know

1336
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.760
this game that takes over everybody and gives them an orgasm and

1337
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.239
spreads amongst the ship to the point where this woman in a tiny

1338
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.880
ship can come along and take over the enterprise because they will

1339
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.260
be hypnotised by this.

1340
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1341
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.260
But plays it out for real.

1342
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.820
Like it's a drama.

1343
00:57:56.940 --> 00:57:58.199
It's really good.

1344
00:57:58.260 --> 00:57:59.760
All of that stuff is great.

1345
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:01.440
The game is superb, I think.

1346
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:03.000
You know, I don't know.

1347
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.440
We're talking about rascals a lot as well.

1348
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:07.079
That's another stupid promise taken to you.

1349
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:07.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1350
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:10.260
That they just sell it. entertaining degree.

1351
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:15.480
And I think that's probably Dr. Beverly's best episode in the

1352
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:15.719
run.

1353
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:17.639
Yeah, I think it is too.

1354
00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:18.539
For sure.

1355
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:29.940
So it is the end of the episode, and it is time for us, as always

1356
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:31.860
to work out what we're going to watch next.

1357
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:37.199
I think you chose Remember Me last week, Joe. Oh, wait a minute, I

1358
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.360
chose as the next generation episode that we'll enjoy.

1359
00:58:39.539 --> 00:58:42.960
We often gave the promise that we were going to enjoy.

1360
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.039
Yeah, that's right.

1361
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.340
We will just roll until a good one turns up.

1362
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:51.420
It's become a bit of a cliche in untitled Star Trek project, you

1363
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.219
know, that I'll say, God, this is a great episode.

1364
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:54.059
And then we watch it.

1365
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.340
It's terrible.

1366
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:02.699
So I think we will still do another 90 Star Trek, but I want to do

1367
00:59:02.699 --> 00:59:04.440
Voyager.

1368
00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:05.880
Oh, yes, let's do it.

1369
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:07.380
Yeah.

1370
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.860
I just feel hankering for some Voyager, I think, and maybe

1371
00:59:10.860 --> 00:59:13.079
something that I'm not super familiar with yet.

1372
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:14.820
So, I have...

1373
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:15.960
Can't we just do a voyager?

1374
00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:16.679
That's really terrible.

1375
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:20.039
Well, probably.

1376
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:22.860
Well, we got spirit, we wrote spirit folk once, but when you chose

1377
00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:23.340
not to do it.

1378
00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:25.980
Yeah, I was close.

1379
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.599
I kind of nearly wanted to do it.

1380
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:28.800
All right, here goes.

1381
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:35.400
Oh, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is the shoot, series

1382
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:36.840
three, episode three.

1383
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:40.440
So that's the episode where Tom Harris...

1384
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.400
They go down a slippery dude.

1385
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:43.079
And Harry Potter...

1386
00:59:43.139 --> 00:59:46.079
Well, no, they're just on the prison for the sort of the 1st half

1387
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:46.800
of the episode.

1388
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:50.219
We don't even see Voyager and it all gets a bit homoerotic between

1389
00:59:50.219 --> 00:59:53.699
them because they're in an extreme situation and one of them gets

1390
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:57.300
stabbed and yeah, they're getting the other one's tending to

1391
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:57.539
them.

1392
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.219
We get some hurt comfort happening.

1393
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.079
But it's a lot of Tom Paris.

1394
01:00:01.139 --> 01:00:02.699
So I don't know how much we're going to enjoy that.

1395
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.920
Yeah, he is still the worst, Robert, despite Robert Beltran's

1396
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.659
online behaviour in the last couple of weeks.

1397
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.900
You know, I told my other half about Robert Belgian's behaviour

1398
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:14.639
and the things that he said on Twitter.

1399
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:15.360
He didn't believe me.

1400
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:18.239
He says, there's no way anybody would say that on Twitter

1401
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:18.840
nowadays.

1402
01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:20.460
I'm like, I will show you the tweets.

1403
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.619
He effectively said that if you are straight Star Trek fan, you're

1404
01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:26.039
a real fan.

1405
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:27.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1406
01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:28.980
Yeah, crazy stuff.

1407
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.800
All right, so let's try another one.

1408
01:00:31.860 --> 01:00:34.139
This is just a few episodes later.

1409
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.340
Season three, episode 7, sacred ground.

1410
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.619
Oh boy, that is very boring.

1411
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.039
It's um of ceremony of some kind.

1412
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:50.460
Yeah, it's all, it's about science and religion.

1413
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.039
And Janeway's relationship with the two.

1414
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:56.039
It has some thoughtful moments in it.

1415
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.380
It's the 1st one that the worst Robert Drex.

1416
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.940
Oh, okay.

1417
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.980
He was very proud because he got to do a lot of work with Kate

1418
01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:02.639
Mulgrew.

1419
01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:06.000
You were probably contrarian enough to like it, you know.

1420
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:09.840
But oh, can't we do something more fun than that?

1421
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:11.099
let's do something else.

1422
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.860
I do remember actually seeing it recently for some reason.

1423
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.179
I'm not quite sure why.

1424
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.840
Nemesis.

1425
01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:23.159
Season four, episode four. spat out my water.

1426
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:27.900
Now, that's the Chakotay one on the planet with, we'd have to talk

1427
01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:29.280
about Robert Beltran for an episode.

1428
01:01:29.340 --> 01:01:31.559
Yeah, let's give that a miss.

1429
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.980
Okay, season 6, episode 16, collective.

1430
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.619
Oh, yes.

1431
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:38.880
Let's do that one.

1432
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:40.980
Does it have the baby Borg?

1433
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.539
Does it have a board baby in it?

1434
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:43.199
It's the one.

1435
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.420
It's the one where all the ball children come along.

1436
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:46.980
Oh, yeah.

1437
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:49.559
So it's kind of like it's kind of like the point where we've just

1438
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.960
lost all hope with the ball.

1439
01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1440
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:55.559
We've decided that we're going to cast Robbie Rist as cousin

1441
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.940
Oliver and just wait out the end of the show.

1442
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.780
It's sort of like the best of both worlds 90210.

1443
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:05.219
Only really terrible.

1444
01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah.

1445
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:11.579
So this is Echeb, who will later be seen having his eye torn out

1446
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:14.820
in Picard series one, so that's fun.

1447
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.320
I feel for that. you know, because I feel that that is the best

1448
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.360
role he's ever been given on television.

1449
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:21.960
Certainly.

1450
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:26.519
Right, okay. in how he talks on social media and that he feels a

1451
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:29.219
bit neglected, given that they brought back.

1452
01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:32.340
Just to be murdered and they recast him.

1453
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1454
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:40.260
It's also one of 2 seasons where this was the only Star Trek

1455
01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:43.739
series of the, well, obviously Enterprise afterwards.

1456
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:49.079
But in that sort of period of next gen, DS9, in between.

1457
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:51.000
Because this is February 2000.

1458
01:02:51.179 --> 01:02:51.840
This goes out.

1459
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.880
So at this point, this was the only time for a long time that

1460
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:58.199
there was one Star Trek.

1461
01:02:58.260 --> 01:03:01.440
Yeah, and with very variable results.

1462
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.940
Right.

1463
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.420
Right.

1464
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:04.380
Yeah, let's do that.

1465
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:14.880
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1466
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:16.019
and Nathan Bottomley.

1467
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:19.500
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1468
01:03:19.500 --> 01:03:22.320
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1469
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.579
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

1470
01:03:26.579 --> 01:03:27.900
by Cameron Lamb.

1471
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:32.219
This episode was recorded on the 15th of August 2023 and released

1472
01:03:32.219 --> 01:03:33.659
on the 18th of August.

1473
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:37.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Collective.

1474
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.639
That's right.

1475
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:57.780
Collective.

1476
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.500
I think I gave it a 4 or something when I reviewed it.

1477
01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:03.119
Okay.

1478
01:04:03.179 --> 01:04:04.079
Okay.

1479
01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:05.699
What did Gemma give it?

1480
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.699
He probably gave it 2.5 stars, like like Bem.

1481
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:10.380
Hang on.

1482
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.980
I bet what he does.

1483
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:15.719
I bet you he gives it 2.5 stars.

1484
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:22.019
It was quite kind on Stranger Worlds this season.

1485
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:23.340
I noticed.

1486
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:23.760
Oh, was he?

1487
01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:27.599
Hegemony here today gone tomorrow.

1488
01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:36.059
But that, because that new English way of saying gone, gone, like

1489
01:04:36.059 --> 01:04:38.940
the people on television say gone.

1490
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.659
I just kept thinking, so Laan says they're gone, and it's just

1491
01:04:42.659 --> 01:04:44.219
like, no, no, we know they're gone.

1492
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:44.880
What are you doing?

1493
01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:47.880
I saw a picture of the redesign.

1494
01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:48.840
That's quite fun.

1495
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:54.239
Where are we, boys?

1496
01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:55.920
You don't see anything that you haven't seen before.

1497
01:04:55.980 --> 01:05:00.360
So it's teenage gone again, so it just looks like that it's gone

1498
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:06.000
from whatever it is, Memento, not Memento Mori, the season nine

1499
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:07.260
episode 9 series one.

1500
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:08.699
Me, Nathan.

1501
01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:10.079
She wanted to know what the run is, yeah.

1502
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:13.019
It's gone from Sankartsy.

1503
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:15.360
That's 79 versus Baroccan Rock.

1504
01:05:15.420 --> 01:05:17.940
Then it's collecting and then it's spirit folk.

1505
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.219
And then it's a Harry King romance.

1506
01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.380
Oh, this was a bad one.

1507
01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:23.219
Is it the disease?

1508
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.440
No, ashes to ashes.

1509
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:30.000
He gives in 2 stars.

1510
01:05:30.059 --> 01:05:32.940
There's groundwork here for some potentially intriguing future

1511
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:33.539
material.

1512
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.300
The episode itself is lacklustre.

1513
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:40.440
So just half a star worse than Ben.

1514
01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:45.659
You're literally going to do every... every rating around that

1515
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:45.840
one.

1516
01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:47.639
M. I am.