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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are, for the first time, in series three of Enterprise, and we're racing against the clock to stop another weapon or something, and it's all very urgent and very important and highly serialised, and how do you think it's going?

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What, in terms of this episode or the season today?

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Well, let's say both.

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Okay.

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I knew you were going to try and get my opinion on season 31st before you come in with yours.

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I know your tactics by now.

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I've come to a conclusion that season 3 of Enterprise is my favourite season of the show.

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More than four.

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More than four.

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Yes, because I think 4 ends appallingly, whereas 3 ends in a really fun way.

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And I think it's the most ambitious Star Trek's been since Dick's most 9 went off the air.

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I think it's it's kind of the most operatic.

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Maybe not operatic enough because they're all a little bit muted and embarrassed over in the Enterprise corner.

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Yeah, but they're trying, you know, with crazy cartoon aliens.

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It's telling long form storytelling across a year about an idea which has dramatic worth, and that is that a weapon is being built, which is going to effectively destroy the earth.

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And it goes about telling that story in lots of interesting ways.

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So we get to meet the builders of the weapon.

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We get to go on a long journey with one of them who eventually sort of joins the heroes and tries to stop it from happening.

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Yeah.

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Degra, yeah.

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Yeah.

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From the next episode onwards.

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Okay.

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It's introducing a load of wacky crazy aliens.

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I'm over there incredibly effective, but visually they're quite interesting and they're doing new things there.

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It affords a more sort of psychological and intense look at the characters who behave in unusual and ugly ways.

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And I know you don't like that, but I do.

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I do like it when characters in Star Trek shows behave in a way that isn't entirely the Starfleet way.

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I just think it makes good drama.

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And, you know, like you and I have absolutely opposing viewpoints on the episode anomaly, which I know you think is the ultimate betrayal of the Star Trek.

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That's a good episode anomaly from series 4 of Discovery, but the episode anomaly.

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It's the only one where they've reused an episode title.

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Just like the CG of AR 5 or 8.

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I love that one because it paints Archer in a terrible light.

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But for once, I'm like, okay, well, he was being an asshole last year, but he didn't have any great reasons to do so.

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This year, he's being an arsehole and he feels like he's got a court.

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I know it's worrying.

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It's uncomfortable. and I like it.

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I think the season is structured well.

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It gains momentum as it goes along.

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You then have 4 episodes towards the end of the season where enterprises blasted to buggery and it looks like all hope is lost and visually the show's never been better than those 4 episodes.

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I watched that sequence this morning and I was like, whoa, you could put this on.

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Now, This looks great.

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That literally blows the sets to shit.

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And they also managed to bring in secondary characters that they've had from other seasons like Shran, they'll get involved.

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I'm going to call it DS9 Light, because I think DS9 did it better with better characters and more interesting storytelling, but for once, I'm paying attention to sort of the direction enterprise is going in.

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And I'm intrigued to see how it pans out.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that I haven't watched it all the way through ever, and there are episodes of it that I haven't actually seen.

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I thought that this episode was pretty enjoyable, but I think still there's a political problem, which is, of course, that it's really trying to justify America's response to 9-11 and the way America behaved in the Middle East and kind of just to say, well, we got hit, we can now do whatever we like and whatever it takes.

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And I don't think it does that wholeheartedly.

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And there's even quite a good moment, I think.

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I think it's between Shran and trip.

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Um, is it, is it Shran or is it Talas?

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I can't remember.

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But in any case, Tripp is talking to one of the Andorians and he makes it clear that this is not about getting revenge, that whatever he feels about the people who created and deployed the weapon.

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We're here just to stop the next one.

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And we're, you know, we're not here for avenge or anything like that.

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But I still think too, that this is generic space show rather than Star Trek, and it does a little bit what I sort of fear Voyager does sometimes as well, where the default position is that aliens are treacherous and can't be trusted, that basically they're our enemy, and we're kind of more or less justified in doing whatever we need to do in order to kind of best them.

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And I think, you know, that's fine in certain shows and stuff like that, but I just don't think that that's what Star Trek is about.

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That's not what makes Star Trek interesting.

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And even Strange New Worlds has just done an episode where we're responding to bad guys that said in the Klingon war that starts in episode one of Discovery and that precedes Strangely Worlds.

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And it deals with that sort of thing.

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But this is a whole season where it's all about that.

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And Voyager is an entire show where in many ways it's largely about that as well.

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And I think a Star Trek that has hope and is into making coalitions and reaching out and connecting and being the best that we can be, doesn't have to be dull, doesn't have to be boring.

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I don't think it can be dull, but anything can be dull.

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I mean, a version of Star Trek where we hate the aliens and stuff and we're going all out to get revenge could also be dull.

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It's not that the premise is dull because I don't think prodigy, for instance, is dull at all, and it's absolutely got villains, but it's essentially hopeful.

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And I think that this is ugly.

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And in particular, I think this episode rewards the arsehole tendencies of Captain Archer.

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Like, he is quite reasonable for most of it, and then at the very end, he just goes full arsehole, and that's how he wins.

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I mean, that's a problem with season 3 though.

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I think that's a problem with Enterprise.

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They frequently reward Archer for being a complete arsehole.

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But, you know, do you know what is dull?

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Season one and 2 eventually?

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Yeah, I agree.

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And what they've done here is they've tried to make it more interesting.

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I think they succeeded.

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I feel like there's an injection of budget because this season is punctuated by a lot more set pieces, a lot more action.

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They've improved the music.

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The characters are afforded the chance to give sort of heightened performances and show a bit of emotion.

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And because it's all a bit desperate, you know?

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That's far more interesting than them just sailing around the universe, civilising people like they normally do.

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Yeah, but I, you know, like I think it just goes to show how absolutely out of sympathy Berman and Braga are with the kind of Star Trek project.

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And so when they try and do Star Trek, you know, the thrill of discovery, you know, Malcolm talks about being on an exploration ship.

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Um, and there's a character in Strange New Worlds last week who says he joined Starfleet to explore, but he hasn't got to do any of that stuff lately because we're at war.

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You know, there's stuff about the, that being on a ship where we're meeting new people where we're exploring strange new worlds.

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That's not boring.

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That's really interesting, but Birmingham Braga can't make it interesting.

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And so they have to do a sort of revenge fantasy season where they tastelessly recreate 911 only on a massive scale.

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And it's great, isn't it?

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They'd go out for revenge, which is just, it's kind of miserable, I think.

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It also shows as well how, like, the Zindi, you know, the various creatures that are involved in that cabal, the sea turtles that talk and the insect always and the big monsters.

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I forget what they're called now, and digress people and all of that.

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It works to a point because I do, like I keep saying, I think it's visually interesting.

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They're trying to do something a bit different with the monsters.

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But it just goes to show you how sophisticated it was on DS9 when they brought in the Dominion, Gemadar, the water, there's power struggles there.

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There's genuine characters there, you know, there's people we want to be around because the performances are so fun there.

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Whereas this is generally just people sitting around a table going, you know, what's happening with the weapon?

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Is it ready to go?

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What's 25 episodes?

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I think it's really, really bad.

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I think they're embarrassing.

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And one of the things about the Dominion is that it grows organically as the show goes on.

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And so things like the Vorta being clones, I don't think, was the idea originally until they wanted to get Jeff Coombs back.

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You know.

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Originally, she had like that water woman had beams that came out of her chest.

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That soon got forgotten when they didn't want to do that anymore.

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So you have the vorta, you know, we've introduced the changelings and then we just, you know, we introduced the change things in the season opener.

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Where's Odo from?

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We don't know, but, you know, he's an alien from the Gamma Quadrant, probably.

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So all of that just gets built up out of material that exists and grows organically and then is given these incredible actors to perform the scenes, whereas they kind of go, that worked very well on Deep Space 9, which is the only time where you've had scenes where people who aren't our regulars are there talking about their evil plans.

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And I just thought these were laughable.

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And I was just super embarrassed by the fact that Rick Worthy gets cast as a like an ape.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's just like you have to get the black guy to play an ape.

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Like, what the hell is wrong with you?

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Well, the trouble is, is I could list all the races in the Dominion and then I can list most of the individual characters that appeared over 6 seasons.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whereas I was just proven to you that I can't name the races in the city.

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I certainly can't name any of the characters and I only watch this.

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Yes, they didn't even give them names.

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Like, there's primates arboreals...

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Whale guys.

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Like, flies, like reptile guys with spiky heads.

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And I just think that like that's the kind of thing where your mum walks in while you're watching it, goes, what the hell do you have on television?

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When the insect's talking, all you hear is like, that's right. really big subtitles for people who aren't used to reading very quickly.

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It's really bad.

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And some dreadful new age whale song every time that's all...

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I know, I know.

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Yeah, that's not great.

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But I really enjoyed this episode.

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Oh, I did too.

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I think all that.

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Well, I think it lent into the season well as well.

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I think we go to the proving ground where they're creating the weapon and testing it, and that's appalling, what they do in this episode, but it also allows us to take an established relationship, which is archers and strands and actually do something fun with it.

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He comes along or, oh, Captain Archer, my lovely pink skin, you know, and all along, he's behaving like a sinister swine because he's just after the weapon, you know, and you're just waiting for the moment where he's going to play his hands.

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Yeah, which is super boring, isn't it?

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We'll get there.

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What knows Jeffrey Coombs?

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I know, no, no.

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He terrific.

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I think he is terrific.

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Yeah, I do have things to say because I do have some other objections to the episode, but broadly speaking, I did have fun.

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Not quite a night in Sick Bay fun, but fun nevertheless.

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I'll be really interesting to see if you did the whole season.

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I know you still wouldn't like the fundamental premise, you know, and how people are behaving, but just how you feel about the story overall, especially in that last third.

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Where I think, do you know what?

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They actually, and because there are some standalones in series 3 that are super weird.

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North Star. connected to the main part, North Star, Carpenter Street, the one where they all turn into apes.

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You know, the one where Captain Archer turns into an insect, you know.

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All very odd.

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But they save the sort of the juicy stuff for that last third.

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And I think that's a bolt, that's the right decision to make, you know, go out on a high.

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And then the last episode is just some mad 0 hour is a mad sort of Hollywood blockbuster and they throw a ton of money at it.

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So you got Archer in there, that massive weapons going crazy around in that big ball and he's there, you know, fighting the Zindi on there and it is genuinely as cinematic as they could make Star Trek at the time.

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Right. and quite impressive.

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Okay.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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All right.

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I knew we were going to disagree on this one.

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Okay, 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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See my imagination. or has the CGI come on a little bit at this point.

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So I was reading more ambitious.

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Yeah, no.

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See, I love this anomaly stuff, like the weird warpy anomaly stuff that comes back in this episode.

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I think that's really effective where the sort of wibbly thing goes through the corridors.

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That's excellent.

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It's much better than, say, twisted.

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And I love...

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I like the wall.

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It looks so good.

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It's got all that sort of weird things going on around there, isn't it?

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It's like an orrery or something.

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Like it's like a weird mediaeval kind of, you know, model of the sky and it's got 3 or 4 layers that you see moving within one another and stuff.

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It's really good.

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Previously on Enterprise, a lot of shooting shit.

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They basically said when they kickstarted series 3 and that is, do you know what?

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essentially we're cancelled at the end of this season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So we let's just let's just go for it, you know?

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Yeah, so they did have more money this season and they were sort of aware that they could create some pretty great visuals.

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And I think they do do that.

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I mean, it's still sort of hampered by the usual kind of 90s, 90s Star Trek production style and everything's indoors in this episode, I think.

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I can't follow what's going on in this previously.

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That's not occurring here.

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Yeah.

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I did notice that how she got a line then for a second, which during the recap.

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I think that's more that she gets in the episode, you know?

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Yeah I've got something to say about that.

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So I love this opening too.

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So we haven't seen Shran.

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Is Shan introduced in series two?

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Series one.

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There is one, actually.

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I've been around for a little while, yeah.

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And so he's turning up here.

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I do think that high definition and this makeup don't get on very well.

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I knew you were going to say that.

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I was waiting.

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Because you can sort of see it flaking.

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Yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of foundation on, it looks.

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And SD, it would look amazing.

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Well, not amazing, but you know, adequate.

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Well, see, the Andorians were something that was absolutely avoided in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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And I think that the only time we see an Andorian on screen is in the offspring where Lal is choosing her gender and species and we, you know, we see a hologram Andorian.

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And I think again, it's them being embarrassed about original Star Trek and anything that's too cheesy.

212
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Probably sue them then for given them such a big row in this show.

213
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Because this is quite a serious Star Trek show, you know?

214
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Yeah, but so they've kind of lent into the idea that it's the Andorians, the Vulcans, and the Tellorites that create the Federation, and that's hinted at in the things like Journey to Babel, isn't it?

215
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The original Star Trek episode that kind of is the sort of place where we go.

216
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Should we stop and sing the song?

217
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been a long time.

218
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Now my time is finally here.

219
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I love it so much.

220
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So I think they're great.

221
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I think getting Jeffrey Coombs to play, you know, I mean, he's so good.

222
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He is really great at Shran.

223
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And I really liked Talas, the woman in this episode, I think, is really good.

224
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And she's got a very 60s look, too.

225
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I think she comes back as well.

226
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What's really sad is, you remember that big industry I told you about when Bran Bragger's brought to task by the cast of Enterprise, special guest star Jeffrey Coombs is brought in.

227
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Oh, wow.

228
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At one point. and joins the chat.

229
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And, you know, he's having a great time sitting there with all of his mates.

230
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And he goes, you know what?

231
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He goes, I was really disappointed.

232
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He goes because I'd done my time.

233
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I played all these weird aliens on DS9 and Voyager.

234
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Um, then you gave me brunt.

235
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Then I was given way in.

236
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You know, and I did my time playing a semi-regular.

237
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And then when you called me for Shran, I genuinely thought you were going to ask me to be a part of an ensemble, finally, because I'd done so much work for you and had proven that I could do it.

238
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And he goes, and I was really upset for a long time.

239
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He goes, I would never turn down the work because, you know, like, but he wanted to have a bigger role in Star Trek.

240
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Yeah, so right.

241
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Here we are with the Zindi, right?

242
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And so we've got Degra here.

243
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We've got poor old Rick Worthy dressed as a Lima.

244
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Um, and typical humanoid.

245
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Well, and because they've all got such dumb names.

246
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Do you know what I mean?

247
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And they call each other that?

248
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Like they call them the cetaceans or whatever.

249
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What are the water ones called?

250
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Whale guys, the whale ones?

251
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Like conquatic, aren't they?

252
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They're this India aquatic, aquatic.

253
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I mean, it's so so crap.

254
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And so and they're all just standing around talking space dialogue at each other.

255
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It's miserably dull.

256
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When these things deemed to get interesting is later on when Degra's been turned by Archer.

257
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Right.

258
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And then he has to go back undercover amongst these people and they're figuring out that he's not, you know, and that's that's far more interesting than this.

259
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Yeah.

260
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I like the eyes on the on the reptilians like they've got... almost really sad.

261
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You know, the big crazy one that looks like the fella from Galaxy Quest.

262
00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:25.859
Oh, yeah, yeah.

263
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That monster.

264
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That's Scott McDonald.

265
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He played Tosk in DS9 and he played the Gemadar in Rocks and Shoals.

266
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He's been given some seriously sophisticated Star Trek roles compared to this bullshit.

267
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So they've lost their database or something like that?

268
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Is that something that's happened and we're picking up on that the following week or something?

269
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Yeah, so it is serialising in that way in the every story leads into the next.

270
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In fact, so much so, you know.

271
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This is the greatest endorsement.

272
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I can probably give this episode.

273
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I watched the next one afterwards.

274
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Right.

275
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

276
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And actually, it was way better than this.

277
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Right, right.

278
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I actually think that this does a very, very good job of balancing the arc and being about something, like having, like, I guess tying it together by having the guest star turn up and then leave, you know, so it becomes an episode rather than just, you know, like a soap opera episode.

279
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What I loved about this particular episode.

280
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I don't know, I can't praise Jeffrey Coombs enough.

281
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But just any chance he gets to come in and schmooze, like when he did it as Wei Yoon, you know, and here as Shran, when he comes in and he's charming as hell.

282
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Travis just said something.

283
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I think it might have been yes, sir.

284
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I think you imagined it.

285
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Okay.

286
00:20:46.859 --> 00:20:48.779
No, he doesn't talk.

287
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He just pushes buttons.

288
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Do you think that there's a problem with giving the Andorians, the nickname for humans, which is pink skins?

289
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I did wonder.

290
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I just think, yes, everyone who talks on enterprise is white, but like that's not a good reason to call them pink skins.

291
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Yeah, that's a bit awkward.

292
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It's really bad, isn't it?

293
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And why aren't they calling the Vulcans pink skins?

294
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because they're all white people as well.

295
00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:30.359
I mean, I think if we examine the dialogue, he generally calls Archer...

296
00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:34.079
But still, it does seem to be the name for us.

297
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You know what's sad about that is I don't think it's deliberately racist.

298
00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:39.480
I think it's just thoughtless dialogue.

299
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Yeah that's right.

300
00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:42.539
Wouldn't that be quirky?

301
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Yeah, we got the pink skin.

302
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Like, because we think they're blue.

303
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.119
See, I think this is really good.

304
00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:55.079
And this is just like another boring shot where some, you know, like a console explodes in some guy's face.

305
00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:59.460
But just it's this effect going through the corridors, I think, is really good.

306
00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:11.279
Well, you see, the reason why I went forward and watched the set piece from Azati Prime, where it looks like Enterprise is finally going to be destroyed, is because there was a few sparks flying in this, but I couldn't see any rocks about the place.

307
00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:16.619
But I'm pleased to report in a zati prime, there's rocks on dirt everywhere.

308
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Coming out of the ship.

309
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Great.

310
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Great stuff.

311
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:23.519
Enterprise is packed full of them, especially when the ceiling comes down.

312
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Oh my god.

313
00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:29.160
There's Travis again being seen.

314
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Hoshi.

315
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:31.740
Oh, that's wonderful.

316
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That is a really funny...

317
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And then the antenna.

318
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That's really funny.

319
00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:39.960
And then he just slides out of shot as the camera moves around slightly.

320
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:47.819
I think that's very cute So, like, you know, we're halfway through the season, and this is the point where Jeffrey turns up and I'm already sold.

321
00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:49.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

322
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:50.160
Yeah.

323
00:22:50.940 --> 00:22:56.220
But he is like, like, for him to say, I'm a reliable actor.

324
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:58.619
He's not, that's not ego.

325
00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.339
No, no, no.

326
00:22:59.339 --> 00:23:01.200
He is right. genuinely brilliant.

327
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:02.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

328
00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.099
And think of, think of those roles.

329
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.299
Think of Brum.

330
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:07.380
Think of way you.

331
00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:08.400
Think of shrine.

332
00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:12.299
They're just, I know, I know, crazy quirky characters. very distinct.

333
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:12.839
Different.

334
00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:13.079
Yeah.

335
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:13.680
Yeah.

336
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.200
Yeah.

337
00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:35.819
So, the Andorians are here, and what we really need to be seeing for this show to be about, it's increasing trust between them, and they start off a bit wary of one another.

338
00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:40.079
And, you know, there's that scene where archers says, look, I'm not going to post guards.

339
00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:47.819
I'm going to have pet men with guns following them around the ship like we just can't do that because we're trying to have a relationship sort of thing.

340
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:56.759
And I think what's boring is the, oh, it turns out they just want the weapon twist and now we have to fight them to get the weapon off them.

341
00:23:56.819 --> 00:24:07.740
And there's no, and the one way, the one kind of saving grace is the bit at the end where someone sends them all of the information.

342
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:15.420
And what I'm hoping is that when they're back later in the season that it's Shran or Talas, who did that.

343
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.700
I don't think you see them again this year.

344
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.019
Ah, you see that?

345
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:20.279
They are back in four.

346
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:21.059
Okay.

347
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:21.660
Okay.

348
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.119
You see, I just sort of think, well, what's that?

349
00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:27.180
You know, like, how does it become about anything?

350
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.819
And see, we've had this before, haven't we?

351
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:43.019
Two of the episodes of Enterprise we've done, we've had people come along and work alongside the Enterprise crew and that was cogenitor and unexpected.

352
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.259
And in each of those, that's great.

353
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.059
Like, that's really interesting.

354
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.480
That's the best part of those episodes, respectively.

355
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:55.200
And those are weird in interesting ways.

356
00:24:55.259 --> 00:25:01.140
Whereas the Andorians are just blue rather than kind of weird in interesting ways.

357
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.400
Don't you?

358
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:07.079
I think it's a triumph for anyone to act with those twitching antennae.

359
00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:12.059
Okay, I think there's... to emote in that makeup.

360
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.740
Yeah, yeah. extraordinary.

361
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.839
I do really like Strand's grudging respect of Tapalm.

362
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.960
Despite the fact that, you know, he hates Falcons.

363
00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:25.559
That was quite nice because he admits it later on, doesn't he?

364
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.799
And so he sort of coughs into his hand and says, you know, she's adequate.

365
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:34.140
Yeah, no, he says that to the general that he speaks to on the telly a bit later on.

366
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.660
I like all of this.

367
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.599
I like the physical effects of them repairing the show.

368
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.619
And trust me, they do it a lot this season because their ship is always falling apart this year.

369
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:51.420
Yeah, just the physicality of it. not just sort of waving beams and stuff, but you've got proper welding and stuff happening in the background.

370
00:25:51.480 --> 00:26:00.299
I was quite shocked by Jolene Blaylock's performance in this as well because she's more relaxed than she was in series one.

371
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.740
She's come quite a long way.

372
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:05.460
She's still sort of given that icy Vulcan performance, but...

373
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.920
She's quite at this point, hasn't she too?

374
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.019
Has she?

375
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.000
So not the show.

376
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.900
She's quit the she's quit Vulcan science theme or something.

377
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.099
Yeah, okay.

378
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.200
Oh, end of season one.

379
00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:21.240
So she's she's on board.

380
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.759
This is her tribe now, you know, Right, okay.

381
00:26:23.819 --> 00:26:24.299
Yeah.

382
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.640
She's here to stop the weapon like everybody else.

383
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.319
But there was a warmth to her.

384
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:29.940
Like, do you remember when we watched her in?

385
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.140
Was it unexpected?

386
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:33.119
and she was just a cow, was she?

387
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:34.140
Yeah.

388
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:34.680
Yeah.

389
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:35.940
This is nice.

390
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.680
I actually like this shot too.

391
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:39.660
You know, there's activity going on in the ship.

392
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:47.400
It's not, you know, like they could be standing around talking and it could be much more static than this and it's not.

393
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:57.599
And I, that's the element of this show that I like is whenever it's showing us what it's like to just kind of live on this ship because it's, you know, such a new thing for all of them.

394
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.259
Yeah, anyway.

395
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:03.359
So, as well.

396
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:05.400
I like that sandwich too.

397
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.579
I would eat the hell, like he's got the sandwich as well in the background.

398
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.599
I want his sandwich.

399
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:14.099
So this woman is great. isn't she?

400
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.000
Yeah, I thought so.

401
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.440
I was waiting.

402
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.380
I was constantly waiting for her to be sabotaging things.

403
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:21.299
Actually, the relationship she has with Reed.

404
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.640
Yeah, it's really nice.

405
00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:25.440
She does sabotage things.

406
00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:30.000
She does do something about their senses or like taps into them or something.

407
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:33.240
So she is also kind of bad, but she's got this.

408
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:39.839
She has a real 60 Star Trek look to her, not the jumpsuit or anything, but I know what you mean.

409
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.339
The hair, yeah.

410
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:48.000
And the makeup, you know, the slightly like the dark blue, darker blue lipstick and things and the, I'm the eye shadow.

411
00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:50.400
Like just the way her hair and makeup are done.

412
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.880
Make her look 60, which is glorious because that's where the Andorians are from.

413
00:27:54.059 --> 00:28:01.319
You know, it takes a lot for me to find Malcolm Reed tolerable because I do think he is and this season.

414
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.819
Do you know what they did with him this season?

415
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.039
They brought on those Macos, didn't they?

416
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:06.779
These sort of military unit.

417
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.940
You're going to need proper soldiers.

418
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.500
And so he's got a huge problem with the macco leader.

419
00:28:13.500 --> 00:28:21.779
And there's a whole episode where they're slugging it out and beating the shit out of each other and you're just like, oh, Reed, grow a pair, will you?

420
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.460
And just he's here to help you out.

421
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:31.559
So whenever they make him sort of sweet and funny, and you remember when we were in congenitor when they were feeding cheese to each other?

422
00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

423
00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:35.460
I felt like, you know, whatever they do things like that with him.

424
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.759
Well, I think he and her, that subplot is really great.

425
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:40.740
And again, that's the problem.

426
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:45.720
I wish that I wish that there'd been some pushback against the general's commands.

427
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:53.039
I wish, you know, if we're going to do this story, you need to see them grow.

428
00:28:53.099 --> 00:29:01.980
You don't, you know, it undermines all of this nice stuff to have them just turn up here because they're stealing a weapon and no one cares.

429
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:07.079
Like no one has kind of decided that it's, like, it's just crappy.

430
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:07.980
And the same thing.

431
00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:17.880
I think Sharan should have been smart enough to sort of obey the orders and help out Archer on the slide at the same time, you know?

432
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:31.259
And and then you've got the same thing too, where there's this problem between the Andorians and the Vulcans, and we know that they're part of the founding races of the Federation, and we know that the, you know, the humans and the Vulcans have problems as well.

433
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:32.880
But quite serious.

434
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:46.019
It doesn't, um, doesn't tell us say that her uncle or her milkman or something, her primary school teacher was killed in a, in, like in some kind of uh, conflict with the Vulcan.

435
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:47.220
So it's a proper conflict.

436
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.180
How do we get to the from that to the federation?

437
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:59.099
We just... unfortunate side effect of the show being cancelled after 4 years because we were heading in that direction and we were going to see it.

438
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.900
Well, they said they said the ultimate endgame for the show was to see that formation.

439
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.640
So they could have done that.

440
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:11.640
Yeah, yeah, but I guess we need to go like something needs to happen sooner than this.

441
00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:18.059
You know, like what you set up the, this, I just love how chill trip is here.

442
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:24.299
Um, you know, they set up, you know, they set up this conflict, but it never goes anywhere. you know.

443
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.940
I love this.

444
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:35.579
I love her reaction where he says hand me the spanner and she says, like, doesn't she later say, can I get you a coffee and stuff?

445
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:36.539
Yeah, there we go.

446
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.220
Like...

447
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.680
And he says, yeah, that'd be nice.

448
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.220
Cheers.

449
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.880
Thanks for the hospitality.

450
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:56.220
But I don't know if you remember, jump back to the pair of us doing strange new world in series one, which was a nothing episode with 0 substance.

451
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.400
It was a standalone with no consequences at all.

452
00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:03.839
Nobody was learning anything, you know, and there was no character development.

453
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.599
This is a completely different show to that.

454
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.279
This is a lot better than that. agree.

455
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:09.539
So they've learned some lessons.

456
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:10.799
Yeah, yeah.

457
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:11.819
Oh, no.

458
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:36.480
Like I say, I've got real reservations about where this is going and the whole premise, but the fact that they've decided to junk their previous premise, do something interesting, change the premise of the show up the stakes, all of that, since they're clearly incapable of creating just a Star Trek series, you know, I like the fact that Reed is willing to apologise.

459
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.619
I've been rude as well.

460
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.920
Yeah, because I met on this show, I generally just, assholes, yeah.

461
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.079
Yeah.

462
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:45.539
Yeah, I mean, I love that relationship.

463
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.859
I love that ship too.

464
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.140
The Andorian ship looks great.

465
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:49.980
I know.

466
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.779
I think that enterprise is so boring.

467
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.559
Look at that.

468
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.980
Well, again, they were gonna do more with it, weren't they?

469
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.140
They were eventually going to add the thing.

470
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:04.440
I thought there was like, there was like a bigness to the guy, the next generation surprise, you know?

471
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:08.640
And there was a sort of a magic about the TOS one.

472
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:13.680
This one just it just feels like a little tinker toy flying about. yeah, It's funny, isn't it?

473
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:16.740
Maybe it's just the absence of that secondary pull thing.

474
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.440
Yeah.

475
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.720
I don't know Oh, Hoshi?

476
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:22.259
coming in.

477
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.099
There you go.

478
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:23.579
Oh, there you go.

479
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.299
She got a line.

480
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.500
Good on you, Hoshi.

481
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.019
I wonder what, um, Australian culture.

482
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Go back to what you were saying earlier.

483
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.019
What's the alternative?

484
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.079
Saying pink plus...

485
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.920
Dot, dot, dot skin.

486
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:44.819
I just think maybe it would just, it's not a good enough gag to be cluelessly racist for, you know.

487
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.299
Do you remember what they went for with DS9?

488
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:48.960
Solids.

489
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, I was thinking...

490
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.000
Toasters and skin jobs on Battlestar Galactica.

491
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.680
You know, I mean, that's kind of racist, isn't it?

492
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:08.940
But still, you know, it's not racist about human beings and the default skin colour be pink, for God's sake.

493
00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:10.920
Yeah, yeah.

494
00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:12.299
Only on enterprise.

495
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:13.200
Very bad.

496
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.420
Ill, you know, they're just not thinking.

497
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:27.359
I do think, um, Scott Bacular, whilst he does some morally, sort of catching Archer does some morally uncomfortable things.

498
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:32.220
He is afforded way more opportunity to show what he's made of in this season.

499
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:43.740
Yeah, yeah, I just think here where the climax is him just turning up on the ship issuing threats and being a massive asshole, that's boring.

500
00:33:43.799 --> 00:34:03.000
You know, like we joke that, you know, Captain Picard might give a big pompous speech or something like that, but he does that because he values diplomacy and thinks things can be solved by, you know, without conflict and Archer doesn't get a chance to do that at all, you know.

501
00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.460
He doesn't get to make an appeal.

502
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:10.320
He doesn't get to do anything. just says, I'll blow you up unless you do what I say. and that's super boring.

503
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:16.860
Sorry to bring this down to a me level, but Connor Trini is so pretty.

504
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.360
So pretty beautiful.

505
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:18.960
Isn't he?

506
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:19.500
Yeah.

507
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.800
Yeah, see, I think this scene is very good.

508
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:38.219
And I was worried that they were ruining his character by giving him, you know, by killing his sister off and then making him super angry about aliens, you know, that so he gets to become the racist that he appeared to be in strange new world.

509
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:57.300
Um, but this, like he's got a kind of grown up response to this, you know, he's lost someone very dear to him, um, yeah, all of that sort of stuff, but he won't take revenge even if he kind of feels like he would quite like to, you know.

510
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.840
In the episode that comes after, as Assy Private.

511
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:07.260
So the Enterprise is literally just stuck in space because it has been taking such a beating.

512
00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:10.320
And it's called damage the next episode.

513
00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:14.039
So they're basically repairing the shit throughout the whole episode and all hope is lost.

514
00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:21.119
And one of his engineer crew has died and he has to write the letter to the family.

515
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:22.920
It's a woman, isn't it?

516
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:24.119
Yeah.

517
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:33.840
And, you know, and he really struggles and has a bit of a breakdown over it because it's essentially his sister.

518
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:35.880
Yeah, and it's really well done.

519
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.179
Yeah, look at him.

520
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:45.480
He's saying ideally love to get hold of the people who who did this, but, um, you know, I'm not going to.

521
00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:47.340
We're here to just stop it from happening again.

522
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:53.219
I do like it when you get those occasional moments between both sides.

523
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:53.940
Yeah.

524
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.380
Where there's common ground, you know?

525
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.099
That's right.

526
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.519
Even the thing here too, where he does agree to share the injector.

527
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:15.239
He's reluctant to share the antimatter injector, but he'll do it because he's been convinced and just this, that relationship building stuff isn't nothing and just making that all a waste of time or, you know, we've been duped because we were participating in that.

528
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:16.260
That's miserable.

529
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:17.519
Fuck, that thing looks great.

530
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:19.139
Doesn't it?

531
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.579
It looks so good.

532
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:29.699
I wasn't entirely convinced about the planet blowing up, but later on when they return to the planet and it's just in fragments, I was like, ooh, that looks...

533
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.360
It looks really good.

534
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.920
Just the design of it.

535
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.820
Like nothing.

536
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.500
It's like nothing in Star Trek.

537
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.699
Can you sort of think of sphere?

538
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.079
Oh, look, it's an angry insect.

539
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.780
And those insects, yeah.

540
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.460
But, you know, it's just a sphere, like the Borgs.

541
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.059
It's just like, you know, like another, another solid.

542
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:49.860
But I think that looks magnificent.

543
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.400
So good.

544
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.059
Degra's hair is so stupid.

545
00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:57.059
Here we are again amongst the, the, the Zindi.

546
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.400
Yeah, yeah, they're so boring.

547
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.619
Why do they have hair?

548
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.400
God, I love this.

549
00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:04.980
This bit where Schwan turns up and says, hello.

550
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.739
I'm from the Andorian minding Corporation.

551
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.480
He's so genial.

552
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.460
And he does archer, right?

553
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.280
He talks about archright and then just looks, looks off camera.

554
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:21.179
And he plays it with this sort of wistful tone, doesn't he?

555
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.679
Oh, I have no idea.

556
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:24.059
What was going on?

557
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:25.199
Very jolly.

558
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:26.760
He's being super genial.

559
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:34.380
And then he, then he pretends to get angry at the end and he's not going to share any of the archery with the, with the Cindy.

560
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.500
But do you remember when we were watching the change in face of evil?

561
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:38.159
Yeah.

562
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:41.820
And where every single performance was as fun as this.

563
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:46.980
This is the problem here is you've got this very dour, boring cast of characters.

564
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.019
And every now and again, a colourful character.

565
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.159
Look how much fun he's having.

566
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:55.559
Standing long shot. doing band motion motions.

567
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:59.159
I think they're a bit embarrassed about this sort of thing.

568
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:07.800
You know, this this sort of very broad, very colourful characters, but you and I know, that's some of the most entertaining Star Trek.

569
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.179
Yeah, absolutely it is.

570
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.599
They're trying to be gone, you know, like they're trying to be serious.

571
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:14.219
And they don't really.

572
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.679
I mean, they still do preposterous high concept things.

573
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.159
You remember, you know, soul bore.

574
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:23.460
Don't you recognise the face of your enemy?

575
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.539
That's what we want.

576
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

577
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.579
No, these aliens are super boring, I'm afraid.

578
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.780
Do they get better?

579
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:41.820
I was reading about them and apparently, you know, they start to take different, you know, they start to have different attitudes towards the humans and the plan and all of that sort of thing.

580
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:50.820
Because the individual characters aren't distinct enough and the relationships aren't fun enough to sort of buy into none of it matters.

581
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:51.239
Yeah.

582
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:52.079
No.

583
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:55.500
No, no, no, again, like you, we were watching Damar and Wayoon.

584
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.159
Yeah.

585
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.219
Change the face of evil and that sort of back and forth they were doing.

586
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.719
You can't get any out of here.

587
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.099
No, okay.

588
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.619
I mean yeah, we can't even name them.

589
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:05.099
Can we?

590
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.079
Can you name anyone other than Degra?

591
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:08.219
I mean...

592
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:15.480
Yeah, Tucker Smallwood is playing a character called Zindi Primate Counsellor. you know, and.

593
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:16.500
Is this like useless, isn't it?

594
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:22.800
they've looked over their shoulder at DSI and God, that works, but not taken the time to see why it works.

595
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:23.219
Yeah.

596
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:33.239
Having a thing made up out of whole bunch of crazy aliens that worked really well on Deep Space Nine, we'll do that here, but that's not what it was.

597
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:35.880
Gosh, she's good.

598
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:38.039
She's kind of sexy, isn't she?

599
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:43.079
Yeah, I liked that too, and there is a little bit of a fresh song between them, which is kind of nice.

600
00:39:43.139 --> 00:39:44.760
I think that's really cool.

601
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:48.900
Your sometimes will worry me, you know, the more we do this sometimes, Star Trek Project.

602
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.940
You're admiring the ladies more than the men, you know?

603
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.579
No, I don't think I am, but I...

604
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.199
Do you remember Hammer in the Masterpiece Society?

605
00:39:55.260 --> 00:40:02.280
Yeah, she was pretty great, but, um, you know, there's still Connor Trinier is the prettiest person in this car.

606
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.559
She's got like purple lipstick on as well.

607
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.519
Yeah, it's blue.

608
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.400
Like, it's just slightly darker blue. it looks terrific.

609
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:09.659
She looks so good.

610
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:23.820
I think her best bit of this is when Archie goes, okay, fine. take us out of here and she just stares at the console because she knows what's about the portrayals about it.

611
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:26.219
And the camera goes right in on her.

613
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.239
Like, oh, I'm not going to do what you tell me because this isn't how it's going down.

614
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.500
Yeah, yeah.

615
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.539
But and again, there's some things that don't make sense there, I think, and we'll get there.

616
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.840
But this is nice, isn't it?

617
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:45.059
Like that thing where she says your father is probably very disappointed in you.

618
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:51.480
And I thought for a second, oh, she's really kind of blown it, that's a terrible thing to say, but she's right.

619
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.920
And he agrees.

620
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:59.219
He says, yeah, you know, like I'm on an exploration ship instead of a warship and the Royal Navy was his life.

621
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.420
Like, I think that was good.

622
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.480
That was actually like a good piece of dialogue.

623
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.739
See, she's doing something here.

624
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:08.820
That's her fiddling with the senses, which we find out later.

625
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.300
We're back on the bridge now.

626
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:17.519
So there's a good chance that Hoshi or the other fellow whose name I can't even remember.

627
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:18.599
Yeah, Travis.

628
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.239
May get to say, oh, no, you got a close-up.

629
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.260
You got a close-up.

630
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.119
It's very pretty, isn't he?

631
00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

632
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah.

633
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:28.739
Here we go, dude.

634
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.460
The weapon is now.

635
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.840
And look how it aims.

636
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:33.360
All of those sort of rings and things on the surface come together.

637
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:34.320
That looks great.

638
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:37.320
Actually, no, that does look good. yeah.

639
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:44.219
Some of the stuff in, like, in the that two-part finale near finale that we did, Tara Prime.

640
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.119
You remember the thing taking off and then landing on the...

641
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:52.199
Yeah, but it looks a bit like a cartoon. and I think V looks better than that.

642
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Oh my god, look at the big, big subtitles.

643
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.619
Like, you're watching it with subtitles.

644
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:05.820
But whenever the insects speak or the whale people, they have big subtitles because we can't read very quickly or something.

645
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.480
It's that, you know, I do like the...

646
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.159
I do like the whale people.

647
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:14.460
No, I do, but I like the idea that...

648
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:16.320
Yeah.

650
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.380
Like, why are aliens always just Americans?

651
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.400
Yeah, we're always just covered in latex and we're not doing, yeah, they're all...

652
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:29.280
But I mean, look at the look at poor old Rick Worthy there or whoever it is.

653
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.380
Rick Worthy, yeah.

654
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.420
Yes, very upsetting.

655
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.280
In the next episode, right?

656
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:37.559
They kidnap Degra.

657
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:43.860
And the whole 1st act is Degra and Archer on this shuttle that we don't recognise.

658
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:46.980
And he's like, you know, we got away.

659
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.139
You're all right, your memory's gone a little bit and it turns out the whole thing is a massive con.

660
00:42:52.199 --> 00:43:02.340
They've built this shuttle in their shuttle bay and they're pretending and then he comes out and the whole episode is about trying to con him into giving the information about the weapon.

661
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.380
It's really well done.

662
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:10.559
And when he starts figuring it all out, just constantly having to like improvise and think on his feet.

663
00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:12.360
Yeah, okay.

664
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:13.500
Oh that sounds really good.

665
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:19.260
I think that's where Degra starts to sort of land on his feet and become a bit more interesting.

666
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.519
And so this character.

667
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:34.019
Like there's payoff from a previous episode about the chemist site being interfered with by an arboreal Zindi or something, like Zindi, Lemur guy.

668
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.119
Yeah, I don't remember that too much.

669
00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:46.800
You know, every time I hear the word chema site, though, you know, I don't know if you recall in little green men, it's the chema site in the hole that Rom has to eject, which sends them back in time to the Roswell.

670
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:51.960
And they do this whole speech about chemosite, which is full of Star Trek Technobabble.

671
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:57.900
And Rom just goes on and on and on and Nog and Quark look at each other like, what the fuck is he saying?

672
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.119
Every time I hear the word human side, I just think of it.

673
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:06.059
It must be from original trek, though, isn't it?

674
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.400
Like, surely, it must be from original track.

675
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:13.260
Rom Moore, Brannan Bragger, they love cherry picking those records.

676
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:13.980
That starts, you know.

677
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

678
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.900
The Pike City pioneers, you know, that's what I think.

679
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.320
Yeah.

680
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.480
Yeah, with all of that stuff's great.

681
00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:23.940
You know, that is a thing that enterprise does.

682
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:36.659
Like it, it is really, strictly speaking, a sequel to 1st contact, but they make it very Star Trek-y, you know, with the, Andorians and the, and the, um, Vulcans and stuff.

683
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.320
Do you wonder if these 2 shouldn't have had a little kiss?

684
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.320
No, actually, I just like the fact that they're working together.

685
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:46.139
You know, they're aliens, they're very different from one another.

686
00:44:46.199 --> 00:45:00.420
They find some common ground, you know, and like it has an effect, even though I don't like it. you know, it's a, it's kind of a bit sad that it's all a ploy, you know.

687
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:09.480
Like, but as you're watching it, you realise that it's got to be a ploy because I was here waiting for, you know, like there's no way that that's the trouble.

688
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.280
The twist is so obvious.

689
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.599
Like, what else could it be?

690
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:24.539
Well, remember like in in the best sort of early DS9 episodes where, you know, you had like Kai Winn arranging that whole thing with the school, just so she could assassinate Vedic Barra. you know, that was clever.

691
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:25.320
Yeah.

692
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.179
Or, you know, to cut in Kardassians when he's trying to bring down Garak, that, yeah, you're right.

693
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.099
You're just literally waiting for the inevitable.

694
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:32.820
Yeah, yeah.

695
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.340
If it's called like a sleight of hand somehow.

696
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.099
I just had a sinking feeling about it.

697
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.500
Like I just sort of thought, oh, this stuff's nice.

698
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.940
This is them.

699
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.659
It's the same.

700
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:50.579
Do you remember when they're, it's Andreas Katsulis or whatever, the guy from, um, cogenitor.

701
00:45:50.639 --> 00:46:00.360
And, you know, like they're getting on together and all of that and all of that's sort of really fun and nice and then it goes to hell because it turns out they have, you know, the enslavers and staff.

702
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.460
Oh my god, we still can't get the eyelines right in these video conferences, can we?

703
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.300
What's he looking at?

704
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.340
In somewhere off camera.

705
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.260
This poor actor, he's just a face on a screen.

706
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.619
Yeah, yeah. 4 hours in makeup for that.

707
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.480
Staticy screen at that, yeah.

708
00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

709
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.900
Yeah, he's someone but I don't quite know who.

710
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.099
I like this shot.

711
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:24.179
Did you know what, right?

712
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:31.619
Can I tell you, I, nothing to do with this, but I picked up the Star Trek Voyager season 2 DVD box set for a pound the other day.

713
00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:32.099
Oh, okay.

714
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.440
And on it was a day in the life of Ethan Phillips on the set of Star Trek Voyager.

715
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:45.840
And we see him at 3 o'clock in the morning going into his trailer and then it sort of does a fast forward bit where you see all the makeup going on.

716
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:48.179
He's all right, this is 5 hours later and I'm ready to go.

717
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:51.599
So that fella's gone through all of that.

718
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.800
Neelix's makeup is a little bit more elaborate than the Andorian makeup, I think, but yes.

719
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:04.079
Well, the funniest thing is, the day they chose, he went, well, I had 3 lines that day.

720
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:06.900
Crap.

721
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:07.860
Wow.

722
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.199
God, the more I'm looking at this woman, they're all beautiful.

723
00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:13.920
She's looking.

724
00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

725
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:16.019
Luscious locks.

726
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.579
But she just sort of made the, made the, a bit fuzzier and puts some volume.

727
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:22.019
A bit like original Star Trek.

728
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.639
It could be 60s track.

729
00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:27.780
But don't you think it's a shame that all of that is just a ploy to get a weapon?

730
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.980
It's so boring.

731
00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:32.760
It's much more fun if there was any pushback.

732
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:47.699
If there was anything that indicated that that Tran didn't like this idea or was being forced to do or found a way of doing it that satisfied the general that didn't ruin the relationship because like...

733
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:49.320
Trouble is, it makes it all pointless.

734
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:59.039
Like you said, it undermines all of that, all of those, um, the progression of the relationships that we're seeing and it's just for our benefit just to trick us.

735
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:00.179
So the twist works.

736
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah.

738
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:03.599
It's a great shame, I think.

739
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.760
And yeah.

740
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.480
Yeah.

741
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:09.599
It doesn't mean the scenes themselves are fun to watch.

742
00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:11.820
No, but I think the episode is flawed.

743
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:20.219
Like, I think that's the problem with the episode. that the twist is super boring, that it ruins everything that came beforehand and that that it was nice.

744
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.960
It doesn't all have to be terrible.

745
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:26.820
You know, like they're under pressure, they're, you know, bad things are happening to them.

746
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:32.039
And can't we get out of it by having allies and stuff?

747
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:36.420
You know, like, do we always have to be yelling at the station recently, have we?

748
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.940
They frown upon this sort of thing.

749
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.039
Oh no, their federation is not a thing yet, is it?

750
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:45.900
No, no, but, uh, you know, staff in the captain's share.

751
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.280
Yeah, I always love that.

752
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.239
Yeah, look at the planet.

753
00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:52.440
Look at the planet with the shit blown out. of the... grab the weapon.

754
00:48:52.500 --> 00:49:01.860
Yeah, I think that the reptilians have great ships too, like, or whatever the fuck they are, the, you know, those ships look really good. we go.

755
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.460
I think even if the technology wasn't always there.

756
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.340
The people doing the CGI, the imagination.

757
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:14.639
You know, there are times when I think Voyager, CGI looks really good, but maybe it's just not quite as ambitious.

758
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:21.059
They certainly do things like Planetscapes and stuff like that in Voyager that look magnificent.

759
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.920
I can't help but notice, you know, this bit where she knows he's going to turn on him now.

760
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:27.420
Her antenna is not going crazy.

761
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:28.320
Yeah, yeah.

762
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.480
And there's a bit of a tale with the Andorans.

763
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:39.420
There is one thing where I laughed out loud where, um, where Strans antennae just went suddenly erect for some reason when he was surprised.

764
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.699
They just like, that sucks. when he drinks the ale.

765
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:43.920
And then suddenly he goes, ooh.

766
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:55.380
So now, yeah, like you said, well, that wolf is gone and Archer just gets to be a ranting sort of bully again.

767
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:57.360
That's right.

769
00:49:57.420 --> 00:50:00.000
I don't even know why he has to go on their ship and order them around.

770
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:03.659
Like, it's kind of like we're going to go. he says Oh, we'll go and help you.

771
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.340
And he said, oh, do you mind if I come and look?

772
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.320
No, no, no, he has to come and be in charge.

773
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:08.280
Like, why is that?

774
00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:13.019
Well, I can't trust them, Nathan. not a respectable white man, you know?

775
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:14.579
Yeah.

776
00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:21.420
Yeah, so see this, the shouting and the bullshit, like it's so crap.

777
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.380
It is very crap, and here's the word pink skin again.

778
00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:27.539
Yeah.

779
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.380
Yeah.

780
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:29.820
So what are we going to do?

781
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:35.940
We're going to have an all out war between these 2 ships in the middle of, no, I think we both know it's going to end quite tidily.

782
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

783
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:48.420
And you know, like we don't get to see it, but their ship is disabled and they can't get anywhere and so presumably they're fuming and frantically repairing the ship.

784
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.099
But and we don't see that.

785
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.780
But like, fuck off.

786
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.840
You know, like punching people in the face. want a prick.

787
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:57.179
You know, I just think.

788
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:03.119
And I did, I did say earlier, you know, causing the fact this, this is a season with consequences, but actually none of this.

789
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.679
Really?

790
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:05.880
Faxes into anything.

791
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:14.039
Again, when we watch Change of Face of Evil, all of that stuff, Windkilling, Soulbore, Demar, defecting from the Dominion, it all meant something.

792
00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:15.900
Oh, yeah, that's a soap opera.

793
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:16.800
That was...

794
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:20.099
That's why it was exciting because we were like, shit, well, where's this going?

795
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.820
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.800
Yeah, and this could have gone somewhere.

797
00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:38.940
This could have gone somewhere, but they chose not to, but it is just that like the cheap twist and a fist fight seems like too little, like that's a shitty payoff for something that could have been more interesting than that.

798
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.539
There's not enough focus on Reed either.

799
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:53.760
The episode has devoted about 10 minutes to the 2 of them and they're... what happens when he's betrayed, you know, and he's discovered that she has interfered with the senses, which they've just noticed.

800
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:57.539
I mean, maybe we get a reaction show or something.

801
00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:02.099
But here too, like here, Shran, has he been drinking?

802
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.780
He's got the things on the table.

803
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.719
He's a bit kind of thing with the general.

804
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:10.739
Is he going over there?

805
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.820
Like, what's he doing?

806
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.099
I want him to transmit the thing?

807
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.260
Like someone transmits the thing.

808
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:25.079
So there's no price to pay for Archer being an aggressive shithead at this point because they get the information anyway.

809
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:27.000
But who sends it?

810
00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:29.579
You know, like that matters, I think, in a way.

811
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:37.380
It can't just be, you know, someone who cared enough to send this and maybe there is hope for our relationship after all because they don't do any of that.

812
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.519
But there is sort of a suggestion that he feels bad about it.

813
00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:45.119
He's sitting there in his room looking a bit forlorn a 2nd ago, wasn't he?

814
00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:46.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

815
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:55.260
I think he's basically doing it because those are his orders, but He does have a friendship with Archer at this point.

816
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:56.760
What about this?

817
00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:06.780
This is Archer thanking him for sending the censor to Lemetry, only to say, and we know the activation codes as a result, and so we're going to blow you up.

818
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:07.800
Do you know what I mean?

819
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:08.579
Like, it's fucked.

820
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:09.719
I just, you know.

821
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:15.420
I think this is supposed to be an incredibly tense moment now, but it's like, Willie, release the weapon or not.

822
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.980
Oh, yes, who cares?

823
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:23.460
Like, I just think this spoils it, and it's a shame because it was a pretty great episode until now I was having fun.

824
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:30.599
And I think that that's the problem here generally with this season is that aliens are the enemy.

825
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:34.920
And they've gone down that route of, yeah, at whatever cost.

826
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.900
Yeah, stop this thing.

827
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.960
And as you said, you know, we did that in anomaly.

828
00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:40.500
We've done it.

829
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:41.340
We do it a couple of times.

830
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:47.519
And, you know, he deems to look a bit sad about it for 5 seconds and then moves on to the next episode.

831
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:53.760
But what about the drama that's created when you don't say and whatever cost?

832
00:53:53.820 --> 00:54:06.360
And you have something that you can't do because your principles forget, you know, prevent you from doing it, even if it's the thing that you have to do to save Earth?

833
00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:12.119
And that's what they do in Discovery season one finale.

834
00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:21.000
They have the choice to blow up the Klingon home world and put a stop to the war and instead they say, no, we find another way of doing it.

835
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:27.179
And they find another way of doing it, which eventually leads to friendship between the Klingons and the Federation, you know.

836
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:37.800
Well, that's basically what they do, what you leave behind, is when they go to Cardassia, and it's like, right, we're going to take them all on, and Odo goes, no, I'm going to go down there and talk to her.

837
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:39.659
There's a better way of doing this.

838
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:47.880
And then she straight away says after that talk, which I think is 2 seconds in screen time, about 15 hours in founder's time.

839
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:50.760
No, you know, disarm the ships.

840
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:51.900
Yeah.

841
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:52.500
Yeah.

842
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.320
Yeah, here we go.

843
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:55.920
Oh, what?

844
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:56.699
Is he going to gloat?

845
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.760
I like this is this is the other problem of enterprises.

846
00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:04.739
They do feel the need to put in an action sequence in every episode, whether it needs it or not.

847
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.139
And maybe this would have worked better as a character piece.

848
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:12.179
It was, you know, going along quite nicely, just as character seems.

849
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.440
Yeah, yeah.

850
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:23.340
I mean, you know, there's enough stuff to do with the weapon and things, you know, you could give them an exciting space problem that was there, you know, was the action sequence.

851
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:33.239
It doesn't have to be conflict between Andorians and Earth people that, you know, that motivates the action sequence.

852
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:33.900
It can be something else.

853
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.059
Yeah, see these.

854
00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:42.480
I do I do like, you know, they've got the data now, so it's another piece of the puzzle. is inching it along. like all of that.

855
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:54.599
But they don't get the data by being clever or by being kind or anything like that, you know, just someone, for some reason, sends it to them or we never know who or why.

856
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.679
Because that's what the season needs to progress.

857
00:55:58.739 --> 00:55:59.579
That's why.

858
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:12.059
Yeah, what if someone felt that the relationship between humans and Andorians was important and that they wanted to further it and maybe we're supposed to conclude that from this, but it's not really quite enough, I think.

859
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:31.860
So, essentially then, may I do think there are some very strong episodes in season three, but I think the sort of the whole is more exciting than the individual pieces for the most part, which is not usually the way in Star Trek.

860
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:32.699
No, no.

861
00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:35.699
And like I'm with Billingsley.

862
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.619
I think that this is a misstep and I think it's a betrayal of the politics of Star Trek.

863
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.059
I think it's a bad thing.

864
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:56.280
I think Voyager is often a bad thing for the same reason, you know, Star Trek hasn't universally followed those principles and in a way, the only era of Star Trek that really cares about them is the current era.

865
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:13.679
Um, you know, there's there's gestures towards it all throughout Star Trek, the Next Generation, but it's pretty quickly abandoned, and uh, maybe genes, the one who is responsible for, for it, although there's not massive amounts of evidence for it in original track. necessarily.

866
00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:17.159
But, I don't know.

867
00:57:17.219 --> 00:57:17.820
I don't know.

868
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:18.480
I don't know.

869
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:25.500
I think that the whole thing is misconceived, but the advantage of it is, it makes the show more interesting.

870
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:26.639
It gives it stakes.

871
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:31.920
It does things that could have been cleverly done some other way, but the things it does are pretty good, I think.

872
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:39.000
I think it makes the show better television, even if it is more troubling.

873
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:55.019
And it does lead to some of the best enterprise episodes and the few episodes where you can say this ranks amongst some of the better episodes of the other series.

874
00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:59.820
And this show doesn't, you know, it doesn't get that high very often, you know?

875
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:00.599
Yeah.

876
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.260
Well, we've covered some pretty dreary enterprise episodes so far.

877
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:04.860
Oh, sure.

878
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.739
But like I think all of the ones that we've done are kind of memorable.

879
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:12.480
I think there's a lot to be said for cogenitor, I think, unexpected, has a lot to be said for it as well.

880
00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:18.360
You know, they're not perfect and they're stupid in places and whatever, but that's kind of Star Trek anyway.

881
00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:22.739
And Strange New World was memorable by just how unmemorable it was.

882
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.320
Yeah, no, that was right at the beginning of the road.

883
00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:27.360
Yeah, that was properly dreadful.

884
00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:31.619
Does this encourage you to go ahead and watch any more of season three?

885
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:39.719
Yeah, I think that series, I think that season 3 is probably the one that I feel worst about not having seen all of.

886
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:49.199
And I did have a, you know, like I binged a whole bunch of it one time, but I was, I don't know, drinking red wine and doing web development at the same time.

887
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:51.360
Oh, right off. proper attention.

888
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.639
Amazing messages to me at the time.

889
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.840
This is a complete betrayal of the rotten game.

890
00:58:58.619 --> 00:59:04.920
But I, you know, like I think I probably should watch, I think I probably should watch more of it, to be honest.

891
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:05.280
Yeah.

892
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.320
I think one day I've just got...

893
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:08.219
I hate this.

894
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:12.420
I think it might have been anomaly.

895
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.800
I think it might have been anomaly.

896
00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:14.940
Yeah, yeah.

897
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.760
That might be our greatest diversion, is that one?

898
00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:22.500
Yeah, I like one episode called Anomaly and you like the other one.

899
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:37.260
Well, it's the end of the episode and it is time, of course, for us to work out what we're going to be watching next time.

900
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:46.800
I was the one who chose Enterprise last week and that means it's your turn, Joe, to pick one or more series for us to choose from.

901
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.780
Hmm.

902
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.199
Well, it's been a long time.

903
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:56.639
Oh, we do another end.

904
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.139
Surprise episode. brilliant. do that.

905
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.219
No, no, no, no, no.

906
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.860
Since I last chose every series on the round.

907
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:02.940
Oh, okay, all right.

908
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:03.780
Yep, you can do that then.

909
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.420
So I am going to put them all in.

910
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.099
There's a lot of taps now, isn't there?

911
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.800
Original series, animated series.

912
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:18.719
Films, Next Generation, Deep Space 9 Voyage, Enterprise, Discovery, Short Treks, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, or Strange New Worlds.

913
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.219
Okay.

914
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:20.940
Here we go.

915
01:00:21.059 --> 01:00:22.920
It's exciting.

916
01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:24.539
Oh, bloody hell.

917
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:25.199
It's a film.

918
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:26.519
Oh, what is it?

919
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.280
You busy next week?

920
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:32.820
I'll have to read that fucking book I bought as well.

921
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.639
It's Star Trek 5, the final frontier.

922
01:00:35.699 --> 01:00:39.059
I would so love to do that, but I don't know whether...

923
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:40.739
I'm not sure what have the time, you know.

924
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.840
Let's keep that to a special occasion when we've got a little bit more time.

925
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.380
Oh, it is an enterprise episode.

926
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:55.980
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season one, episodes one and two, Broken Bow.

927
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:57.059
Bo.

928
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:57.780
Bo?

929
01:00:57.780 --> 01:00:58.500
Broken bow.

930
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.260
I'm not sure I want to watch Star Trek again after that.

931
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:03.960
Super boring, isn't it?

932
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:07.679
We will have to do it at some point, but yes, I think you're right.

933
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.579
Oh my god, yes, this is the one.

934
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.320
Easy threshold.

935
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:19.920
No, but it is a star of the next generation episode that I can guarantee that we're going to love.

936
01:01:20.099 --> 01:01:24.179
Uh, is it yesterday's enterprise because we've done that already?

937
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.880
And this is the shocking part.

938
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:31.019
It's a Dr. Beverly episode of Star Trek the Next Generation that we're going to love.

939
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:32.639
Oh, is it Remember Me?

940
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:34.380
It's Remember Me.

941
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:35.460
Season.

942
01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:36.780
Episode five.

943
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.079
Well, not Beverly, you and I are the only people in the universe.

944
01:01:40.139 --> 01:01:40.559
You know that.

945
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.239
So brilliant.

946
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.380
It's terribly good.

947
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.280
Wow.

948
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:45.059
Well, that's exciting.

949
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:45.900
I know.

950
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.780
Oh, okay, we have done a lot of nightish trek lately.

951
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:56.460
If you're going to pick all of the series, that's going to happen almost certainly, but I think that Remember Me is an absolute classic.

952
01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:02.880
Desperate to watch our next generation episode that reminds me why I ever like the show in the 1st place.

953
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:13.260
The only downside of this is, is we now would have done three, three of Beverly Crusher's, 6 episodes in the runway are going to get many more, you know.

954
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.760
She didn't get a lot to do.

955
01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:17.460
No, let's do it. so fun.

956
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:18.539
Brilliant.

957
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:19.019
Perfect.

958
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:33.059
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

959
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:39.659
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

960
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:45.000
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lahn.

961
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:50.940
This episode was recorded on the 8th of August 2023 and released on the 11th of August.

962
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.880
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation.

963
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:55.139
Remember me.

964
01:03:11.219 --> 01:03:13.199
Should I get a prompt?

965
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:15.179
No, you never do.

966
01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:19.380
It's not actually recording.

967
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:20.340
Let me run it.

968
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.139
No that's not the right one.

969
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.960
Oh yeah, no, it is recording.

970
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:28.619
Okay, I'll have to make it show the thing.

971
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.239
Oh, add some more stuff.

972
01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:31.679
No, that did actually work.

973
01:03:31.739 --> 01:03:32.400
Say something.

974
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.460
Um, yeah.

975
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:41.519
Season 3 of Star Trek Enterprise is dot dot adult.

976
01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:45.179
A betrayal of everything the franchise stands for.

977
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:54.119
Oh, you would have liked episode eight. of Stranger Worlds.

978
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.519
Which is...

979
01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:57.480
Well, I'm going to binge it soon.

980
01:03:57.539 --> 01:03:58.679
I'm gonna binge a lot soon.

981
01:03:58.739 --> 01:04:03.480
It's very much the siege of AR 558, only, you know.

982
01:04:03.539 --> 01:04:04.199
Yes I heard that.

983
01:04:04.260 --> 01:04:05.219
I heard that.

984
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.460
It's a bit, yeah, but... excuse me.

985
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:18.300
It looks beautiful, you know, and it's just sort of well told and stuff and it gives my Benga a great role and he's the best thing in the show.

986
01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:28.199
I'm perfectly sure that that musical episode was excellent, but that scene with the Klingons was just awful.

987
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.780
No, then you have to see it in context.

988
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:31.380
It's so great.

989
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:34.139
I was like, this cannot be it.

990
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.019
Everyone at work and watched it just went, oh my god.

991
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:40.380
Look, I think the big problem is, we talk about this.

992
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.460
Yeah.

993
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.900
The big problem is that there's always the Buffy musical.

994
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:47.039
Do you know what I mean?

995
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:50.760
And the Buffy musical is the thing against which it gets compared.

996
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.639
And I think the songs aren't... aren't strong enough for that.

997
01:04:56.699 --> 01:05:00.360
So I thought it was really good, but it's not the Buffy musical.

998
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.980
I do think some of the numbers are great.

999
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:07.619
I think fucking Celia Gooding, Junior, as I'll think, always think of her, is incredible.

1000
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:17.579
The reason why the Buffy musical works so well is because we were 6 seasons in, we knew those characters so well, and every song. through new light on those characters.

1001
01:05:17.699 --> 01:05:29.219
Yeah, and and like, although, you know, we observe before that the next time trailer is always about relationships between the characters are not about space things that are happening.

1002
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:43.739
So there are relationships happening between the characters, but the fact that these are sort of young adults that, you know, the whole of Buffy is about the relationships between the characters and the emotional fallout, that's the centre of the show.

1003
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:44.940
I love it.

1004
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:46.199
Yeah, yeah, I do too.

1005
01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:52.500
And when you're young, you're all of that stuff is super operatic and, you know, you burst into song and stuff.

1006
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:53.280
I love it.

1007
01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:54.420
Yeah, exactly.

1008
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.119
Whereas Star Trek isn't quite that.

1009
01:05:57.179 --> 01:06:07.500
And so there are, you know, there's enough there to have songs about, but I don't just don't think the songs are quite as good as the, as the buffy ones.

1010
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:10.739
But I just thought it was really fun.

1011
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.239
And I'm so glad they did it.

1012
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:20.940
Um, you know, 2 episodes after the, after the crossover with our decks. like they're just absolutely...

1013
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.500
This is fine.

1014
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.900
And Jammer gave it 3.5 stars.

1015
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.460
How about that?

1016
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:27.360
Yeah.

1017
01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:31.440
He does like the old and he gave Bem comedy episode.

1018
01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:39.119
Which shows who's got a scintilla of taste.

1019
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:42.360
Terrified.

1020
01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:50.280
I checked in too before he wrote his review, you know, because he opens the thread up and just everyone there was super positive.

1021
01:06:50.340 --> 01:07:00.719
And the 2 people at work who liked Star Trek and like Strange New Worlds were raving about it, including one person who was really worried that it would break the show.

1022
01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:05.880
And I said, look, you know, there'll be some bullshit space reasons for them to be all singing.

1023
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.019
And of course, there were.

1024
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.820
And he was fine with that.

1025
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.639
And so he thought it was really, like, it's really funny.

1026
01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:15.599
Fraser's just found it and he's such a compreri bugger.

1027
01:07:15.659 --> 01:07:16.860
It's not as popular.

1028
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:18.420
It'll find a reason not to like it.

1029
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.119
If something's unpopular, it'll find a reason to like it.

1030
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:32.639
And he started talking about Strange New Worlds and He said something uncomplimentary on our thread and I just went, don't, all right?

1031
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:33.840
Just don't.

1032
01:07:33.900 --> 01:07:34.860
I know what you're doing.

1033
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.480
I said, and just enjoy it because it's a really fun show to be enjoyed.

1034
01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:42.780
And then somewhere in mid-season one, he just fell in love with it.

1035
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:50.219
I'm really serious when I say I think it might be the best.

1036
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:51.179
Star Trek.

1037
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.699
Oh, I wouldn't go that far.

1038
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.400
Oh, I'm pretty close to go that far.

1039
01:07:56.460 --> 01:07:58.980
I think, you know, deep say sign's a different thing.

1040
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:03.900
But I just think the characters are so relaxed.

1041
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:05.820
It's so beautiful.

1042
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.719
It so accomplished.

1043
01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:10.199
There's such a great variety of stuff going on every season.

1044
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.179
My shoes, there ain't enough of it.

1045
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.800
I ain't got to be enough of it.

1046
01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:15.119
Yeah, that's right.

1047
01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:15.659
That's right.

1048
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.060
But, you know, that's how you get quality, I guess.

1049
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:25.079
I do like that sort of those 3 shows where we add 179 episodes.

1050
01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:29.279
And, you know, there's so much of it that you can live with the shit.

1051
01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:30.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:32.220
Oh, no, no, I agree.

1053
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.000
And the shit stuff is fun, but also it is the theme.

1054
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:39.239
No, like, it's the thing.

1055
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:55.260
Like, I think, you know, the whole 90 strike thing has PTSD after series one and 2 are so appalling and they kind of just go, we're just doing this and they raise the floor, but they don't raise the ceiling.

1056
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:56.399
Have I said this before?

1057
01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:02.579
And so it never really reaches, you know, there's best of both worlds.

1058
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:13.140
There's there's stuff in 90 Streak, which is incredible, but here, like I think they're braver than they ever were in the 90s and that's fun as well.

1059
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:18.180
And so you get things like the Elysian Kingdom and subspace Rhapsody and stuff.

1060
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:22.979
Sad thing about it is because it's like streaming.

1061
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:26.520
It's just getting a fraction of the audience, so those 90 shows we're getting.

1062
01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:31.739
And so it doesn't have the, the, and it's competing with so many other genre shows now.

1063
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:36.960
Everything that it can't have the cultural impact that next generation had in the 90s.

1064
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:40.979
Yeah, I think maybe that's right, but it's hard to tell long term now.

1065
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:49.079
Like what happens now that there is so much TV, because if it was on CBS on, I don't know, when was Star Trek, like Saturday night at 7.30?

1066
01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:50.460
I literally have no idea.

1067
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.079
Sometimes it was during the week, I seem to remember from looking at the air days on...

1068
01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:55.800
Do you know what I mean?

1069
01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:58.859
Like if it was there, it would be drowned amongst all of that stuff as well.

1070
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:06.720
There's no surefire way of getting a TV to be an event anymore, except it's good and, you know, popular and on a streaming thing.

1071
01:10:06.779 --> 01:10:09.960
I don't know, you know, I'm saying like 20 years time.

1072
01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:16.680
People will say, oh, yeah, Star Trek, the Next Generation, and all those other Star Trek shows that came after.

1073
01:10:16.739 --> 01:10:17.819
You know?

1074
01:10:17.939 --> 01:10:19.260
Yeah, maybe.

1075
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.020
I wonder if people will remember Strange New Worlds.

1076
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:22.800
You know.

1077
01:10:23.699 --> 01:10:25.500
Time will tail.

1078
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:25.859
Yeah.

1079
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.300
Yeah.

1080
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:28.920
But it is great.

1081
01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:30.300
It's the only one I really get.

1082
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.579
The only live action one I get excited about.

1083
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:33.720
Yeah.

1084
01:10:33.779 --> 01:10:41.399
I mean, I love discovery and discovery is in lots of ways more adventurous and strangely worlds, but in lots of ways it's safer too.

1085
01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:47.100
It would never do an Elysian kingdom or a subspace rhapsody in a 1000000 years.

1086
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:48.899
Like that's absolutely not what it does.

1087
01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:50.279
It is very serious.

1088
01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:55.020
Um, but it also does sort of strange wacky things as well.

1089
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:55.800
I don't know.

1090
01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:57.479
Not enough.

1091
01:10:58.260 --> 01:11:00.000
Not as much.

1092
01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:00.659
Yeah.

1093
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:07.020
I thought that, you know, I'm quite looking forward to saying goodbye to it because I think the final season's going to be pretty great.

1094
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.600
I was going to say something terrible then.

1095
01:11:09.659 --> 01:11:10.800
I won't.

1096
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.260
Instead, let's talk about Star Trek and DeBrian.

1097
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:17.579
All right.

1098
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:22.020
All right, here goes.

1099
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:27.060
Hey, Joe. Hi.

1100
01:11:27.180 --> 01:11:30.720
So we are for the 1st time in series.