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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are, for the first time, in series three of Enterprise, and

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we're racing against the clock to stop another weapon or something

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and it's all very urgent and very important and highly serialised

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and how do you think it's going?

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What, in terms of this episode or the season today?

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Well, let's say both.

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Okay.

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I knew you were going to try and get my opinion on season 31st

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before you come in with yours.

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I know your tactics by now.

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I've come to a conclusion that season 3 of Enterprise is my

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favourite season of the show.

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More than four.

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More than four.

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Yes, because I think 4 ends appallingly, whereas 3 ends in a

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really fun way.

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And I think it's the most ambitious Star Trek's been since Dick's

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most 9 went off the air.

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I think it's it's kind of the most operatic.

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Maybe not operatic enough because they're all a little bit muted

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and embarrassed over in the Enterprise corner.

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Yeah, but they're trying, you know, with crazy cartoon aliens.

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It's telling long form storytelling across a year about an idea

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which has dramatic worth, and that is that a weapon is being built

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which is going to effectively destroy the earth.

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And it goes about telling that story in lots of interesting ways.

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So we get to meet the builders of the weapon.

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We get to go on a long journey with one of them who eventually

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sort of joins the heroes and tries to stop it from happening.

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Yeah.

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Degra, yeah.

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Yeah.

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From the next episode onwards.

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Okay.

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It's introducing a load of wacky crazy aliens.

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I'm over there incredibly effective, but visually they're quite

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interesting and they're doing new things there.

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It affords a more sort of psychological and intense look at the

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characters who behave in unusual and ugly ways.

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And I know you don't like that, but I do.

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I do like it when characters in Star Trek shows behave in a way

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that isn't entirely the Starfleet way.

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I just think it makes good drama.

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And, you know, like you and I have absolutely opposing viewpoints

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on the episode anomaly, which I know you think is the ultimate

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betrayal of the Star Trek.

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That's a good episode anomaly from series 4 of Discovery, but the

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episode anomaly.

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It's the only one where they've reused an episode title.

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Just like the CG of AR 5 or 8.

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I love that one because it paints Archer in a terrible light.

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But for once, I'm like, okay, well, he was being an asshole last

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year, but he didn't have any great reasons to do so.

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This year, he's being an arsehole and he feels like he's got a

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court.

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I know it's worrying.

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It's uncomfortable. and I like it.

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I think the season is structured well.

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It gains momentum as it goes along.

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You then have 4 episodes towards the end of the season where

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enterprises blasted to buggery and it looks like all hope is lost

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and visually the show's never been better than those 4 episodes.

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I watched that sequence this morning and I was like, whoa, you

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could put this on.

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Now, This looks great.

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That literally blows the sets to shit.

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And they also managed to bring in secondary characters that

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they've had from other seasons like Shran, they'll get involved.

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I'm going to call it DS9 Light, because I think DS9 did it better

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with better characters and more interesting storytelling, but for

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once, I'm paying attention to sort of the direction enterprise is

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going in.

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And I'm intrigued to see how it pans out.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that I haven't watched it all the way

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through ever, and there are episodes of it that I haven't actually

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seen.

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I thought that this episode was pretty enjoyable, but I think

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still there's a political problem, which is, of course, that it's

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really trying to justify America's response to 9-11 and the way

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America behaved in the Middle East and kind of just to say, well

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we got hit, we can now do whatever we like and whatever it takes.

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And I don't think it does that wholeheartedly.

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And there's even quite a good moment, I think.

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I think it's between Shran and trip.

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Um, is it, is it Shran or is it Talas?

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I can't remember.

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But in any case, Tripp is talking to one of the Andorians and he

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makes it clear that this is not about getting revenge, that

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whatever he feels about the people who created and deployed the

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weapon.

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We're here just to stop the next one.

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And we're, you know, we're not here for avenge or anything like

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that.

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But I still think too, that this is generic space show rather than

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Star Trek, and it does a little bit what I sort of fear Voyager

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does sometimes as well, where the default position is that aliens

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are treacherous and can't be trusted, that basically they're our

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enemy, and we're kind of more or less justified in doing whatever

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we need to do in order to kind of best them.

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And I think, you know, that's fine in certain shows and stuff like

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that, but I just don't think that that's what Star Trek is about.

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That's not what makes Star Trek interesting.

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And even Strange New Worlds has just done an episode where we're

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responding to bad guys that said in the Klingon war that starts in

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episode one of Discovery and that precedes Strangely Worlds.

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And it deals with that sort of thing.

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But this is a whole season where it's all about that.

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And Voyager is an entire show where in many ways it's largely

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about that as well.

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And I think a Star Trek that has hope and is into making

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coalitions and reaching out and connecting and being the best that

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we can be, doesn't have to be dull, doesn't have to be boring.

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I don't think it can be dull, but anything can be dull.

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I mean, a version of Star Trek where we hate the aliens and stuff

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and we're going all out to get revenge could also be dull.

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It's not that the premise is dull because I don't think prodigy

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for instance, is dull at all, and it's absolutely got villains, but

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it's essentially hopeful.

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And I think that this is ugly.

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And in particular, I think this episode rewards the arsehole

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tendencies of Captain Archer.

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Like, he is quite reasonable for most of it, and then at the very

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end, he just goes full arsehole, and that's how he wins.

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I mean, that's a problem with season 3 though.

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I think that's a problem with Enterprise.

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They frequently reward Archer for being a complete arsehole.

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But, you know, do you know what is dull?

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Season one and 2 eventually?

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Yeah, I agree.

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And what they've done here is they've tried to make it more

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interesting.

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I think they succeeded.

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I feel like there's an injection of budget because this season is

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punctuated by a lot more set pieces, a lot more action.

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They've improved the music.

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The characters are afforded the chance to give sort of heightened

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performances and show a bit of emotion.

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And because it's all a bit desperate, you know?

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That's far more interesting than them just sailing around the

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universe, civilising people like they normally do.

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Yeah, but I, you know, like I think it just goes to show how

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absolutely out of sympathy Berman and Braga are with the kind of

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Star Trek project.

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And so when they try and do Star Trek, you know, the thrill of

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discovery, you know, Malcolm talks about being on an exploration

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ship.

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Um, and there's a character in Strange New Worlds last week who

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says he joined Starfleet to explore, but he hasn't got to do any

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of that stuff lately because we're at war.

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You know, there's stuff about the, that being on a ship where

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we're meeting new people where we're exploring strange new

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worlds.

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That's not boring.

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That's really interesting, but Birmingham Braga can't make it

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interesting.

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And so they have to do a sort of revenge fantasy season where they

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tastelessly recreate 911 only on a massive scale.

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And it's great, isn't it?

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They'd go out for revenge, which is just, it's kind of miserable, I

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think.

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It also shows as well how, like, the Zindi, you know, the various

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creatures that are involved in that cabal, the sea turtles that

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talk and the insect always and the big monsters.

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I forget what they're called now, and digress people and all of

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that.

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It works to a point because I do, like I keep saying, I think it's

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visually interesting.

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They're trying to do something a bit different with the monsters.

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But it just goes to show you how sophisticated it was on DS9 when

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they brought in the Dominion, Gemadar, the water, there's power

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struggles there.

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There's genuine characters there, you know, there's people we want

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to be around because the performances are so fun there.

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Whereas this is generally just people sitting around a table going

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you know, what's happening with the weapon?

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Is it ready to go?

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What's 25 episodes?

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I think it's really, really bad.

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I think they're embarrassing.

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And one of the things about the Dominion is that it grows

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organically as the show goes on.

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And so things like the Vorta being clones, I don't think, was the

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idea originally until they wanted to get Jeff Coombs back.

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You know.

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Originally, she had like that water woman had beams that came out

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of her chest.

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That soon got forgotten when they didn't want to do that anymore.

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So you have the vorta, you know, we've introduced the changelings

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and then we just, you know, we introduced the change things in the

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season opener.

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Where's Odo from?

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We don't know, but, you know, he's an alien from the Gamma

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Quadrant, probably.

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So all of that just gets built up out of material that exists and

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grows organically and then is given these incredible actors to

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perform the scenes, whereas they kind of go, that worked very well

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on Deep Space 9, which is the only time where you've had scenes

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where people who aren't our regulars are there talking about their

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evil plans.

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And I just thought these were laughable.

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And I was just super embarrassed by the fact that Rick Worthy gets

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cast as a like an ape.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's just like you have to get the black guy to play an

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ape.

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Like, what the hell is wrong with you?

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Well, the trouble is, is I could list all the races in the

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Dominion and then I can list most of the individual characters

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that appeared over 6 seasons.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whereas I was just proven to you that I can't name the races in

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the city.

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I certainly can't name any of the characters and I only watch

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this.

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Yes, they didn't even give them names.

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Like, there's primates arboreals...

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Whale guys.

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Like, flies, like reptile guys with spiky heads.

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And I just think that like that's the kind of thing where your mum

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walks in while you're watching it, goes, what the hell do you have

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on television?

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When the insect's talking, all you hear is like, that's right

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really big subtitles for people who aren't used to reading very

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quickly.

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It's really bad.

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And some dreadful new age whale song every time that's all...

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I know, I know.

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Yeah, that's not great.

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But I really enjoyed this episode.

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Oh, I did too.

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I think all that.

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Well, I think it lent into the season well as well.

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I think we go to the proving ground where they're creating the

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weapon and testing it, and that's appalling, what they do in this

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episode, but it also allows us to take an established relationship

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which is archers and strands and actually do something fun with

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it.

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He comes along or, oh, Captain Archer, my lovely pink skin, you

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know, and all along, he's behaving like a sinister swine because

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he's just after the weapon, you know, and you're just waiting for

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the moment where he's going to play his hands.

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Yeah, which is super boring, isn't it?

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We'll get there.

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What knows Jeffrey Coombs?

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I know, no, no.

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He terrific.

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I think he is terrific.

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Yeah, I do have things to say because I do have some other

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objections to the episode, but broadly speaking, I did have fun.

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Not quite a night in Sick Bay fun, but fun nevertheless.

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I'll be really interesting to see if you did the whole season.

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I know you still wouldn't like the fundamental premise, you know

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and how people are behaving, but just how you feel about the story

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overall, especially in that last third.

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Where I think, do you know what?

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They actually, and because there are some standalones in series 3

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that are super weird.

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North Star. connected to the main part, North Star, Carpenter

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Street, the one where they all turn into apes.

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You know, the one where Captain Archer turns into an insect, you

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know.

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All very odd.

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But they save the sort of the juicy stuff for that last third.

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And I think that's a bolt, that's the right decision to make, you

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know, go out on a high.

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And then the last episode is just some mad 0 hour is a mad sort of

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Hollywood blockbuster and they throw a ton of money at it.

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So you got Archer in there, that massive weapons going crazy

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around in that big ball and he's there, you know, fighting the

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Zindi on there and it is genuinely as cinematic as they could make

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Star Trek at the time.

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Right. and quite impressive.

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Okay.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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All right.

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I knew we were going to disagree on this one.

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Okay, 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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See my imagination. or has the CGI come on a little bit at this

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point.

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So I was reading more ambitious.

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Yeah, no.

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See, I love this anomaly stuff, like the weird warpy anomaly stuff

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that comes back in this episode.

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I think that's really effective where the sort of wibbly thing

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goes through the corridors.

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That's excellent.

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It's much better than, say, twisted.

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And I love...

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I like the wall.

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It looks so good.

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It's got all that sort of weird things going on around there, isn't

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it?

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It's like an orrery or something.

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Like it's like a weird mediaeval kind of, you know, model of the

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sky and it's got 3 or 4 layers that you see moving within one

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another and stuff.

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It's really good.

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Previously on Enterprise, a lot of shooting shit.

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They basically said when they kickstarted series 3 and that is, do

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you know what?

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essentially we're cancelled at the end of this season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So we let's just let's just go for it, you know?

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Yeah, so they did have more money this season and they were sort

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of aware that they could create some pretty great visuals.

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And I think they do do that.

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I mean, it's still sort of hampered by the usual kind of 90s, 90s

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Star Trek production style and everything's indoors in this

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episode, I think.

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I can't follow what's going on in this previously.

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That's not occurring here.

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Yeah.

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I did notice that how she got a line then for a second, which

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during the recap.

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I think that's more that she gets in the episode, you know?

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Yeah I've got something to say about that.

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So I love this opening too.

321
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So we haven't seen Shran.

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Is Shan introduced in series two?

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Series one.

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There is one, actually.

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I've been around for a little while, yeah.

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And so he's turning up here.

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I do think that high definition and this makeup don't get on very

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well.

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I knew you were going to say that.

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I was waiting.

331
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Because you can sort of see it flaking.

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Yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of foundation on, it looks.

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And SD, it would look amazing.

334
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Well, not amazing, but you know, adequate.

335
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Well, see, the Andorians were something that was absolutely

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avoided in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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And I think that the only time we see an Andorian on screen is in

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the offspring where Lal is choosing her gender and species and we

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you know, we see a hologram Andorian.

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And I think again, it's them being embarrassed about original Star

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Trek and anything that's too cheesy.

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Probably sue them then for given them such a big row in this

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show.

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Because this is quite a serious Star Trek show, you know?

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Yeah, but so they've kind of lent into the idea that it's the

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Andorians, the Vulcans, and the Tellorites that create the

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Federation, and that's hinted at in the things like Journey to

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Babel, isn't it?

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The original Star Trek episode that kind of is the sort of place

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where we go.

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Should we stop and sing the song?

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been a long time.

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Now my time is finally here.

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I love it so much.

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So I think they're great.

356
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I think getting Jeffrey Coombs to play, you know, I mean, he's so

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good.

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He is really great at Shran.

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And I really liked Talas, the woman in this episode, I think, is

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really good.

361
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And she's got a very 60s look, too.

362
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I think she comes back as well.

363
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What's really sad is, you remember that big industry I told you

364
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about when Bran Bragger's brought to task by the cast of

365
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Enterprise, special guest star Jeffrey Coombs is brought in.

366
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Oh, wow.

367
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At one point. and joins the chat.

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And, you know, he's having a great time sitting there with all of

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his mates.

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And he goes, you know what?

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He goes, I was really disappointed.

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He goes because I'd done my time.

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I played all these weird aliens on DS9 and Voyager.

374
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Um, then you gave me brunt.

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Then I was given way in.

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You know, and I did my time playing a semi-regular.

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And then when you called me for Shran, I genuinely thought you

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were going to ask me to be a part of an ensemble, finally, because

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I'd done so much work for you and had proven that I could do it.

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And he goes, and I was really upset for a long time.

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He goes, I would never turn down the work because, you know, like

382
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but he wanted to have a bigger role in Star Trek.

383
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Yeah, so right.

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Here we are with the Zindi, right?

385
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And so we've got Degra here.

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We've got poor old Rick Worthy dressed as a Lima.

387
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Um, and typical humanoid.

388
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Well, and because they've all got such dumb names.

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Do you know what I mean?

390
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And they call each other that?

391
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Like they call them the cetaceans or whatever.

392
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What are the water ones called?

393
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Whale guys, the whale ones?

394
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Like conquatic, aren't they?

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They're this India aquatic, aquatic.

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I mean, it's so so crap.

397
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And so and they're all just standing around talking space dialogue

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at each other.

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It's miserably dull.

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When these things deemed to get interesting is later on when

401
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Degra's been turned by Archer.

402
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Right.

403
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And then he has to go back undercover amongst these people and

404
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they're figuring out that he's not, you know, and that's that's

405
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far more interesting than this.

406
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Yeah.

407
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I like the eyes on the on the reptilians like they've got... almost

408
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really sad.

409
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You know, the big crazy one that looks like the fella from Galaxy

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Quest.

411
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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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That monster.

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That's Scott McDonald.

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He played Tosk in DS9 and he played the Gemadar in Rocks and

415
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Shoals.

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He's been given some seriously sophisticated Star Trek roles

417
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compared to this bullshit.

418
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So they've lost their database or something like that?

419
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Is that something that's happened and we're picking up on that the

420
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following week or something?

421
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Yeah, so it is serialising in that way in the every story leads

422
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into the next.

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In fact, so much so, you know.

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This is the greatest endorsement.

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I can probably give this episode.

426
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I watched the next one afterwards.

427
00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:03.480
Right.

428
00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:04.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

429
00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:06.720
And actually, it was way better than this.

430
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Right, right.

431
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I actually think that this does a very, very good job of balancing

432
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the arc and being about something, like having, like, I guess

433
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tying it together by having the guest star turn up and then leave

434
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you know, so it becomes an episode rather than just, you know, like

435
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a soap opera episode.

436
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What I loved about this particular episode.

437
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I don't know, I can't praise Jeffrey Coombs enough.

438
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But just any chance he gets to come in and schmooze, like when he

439
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did it as Wei Yoon, you know, and here as Shran, when he comes in

440
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and he's charming as hell.

441
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Travis just said something.

442
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I think it might have been yes, sir.

443
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I think you imagined it.

444
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Okay.

445
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No, he doesn't talk.

446
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He just pushes buttons.

447
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Do you think that there's a problem with giving the Andorians, the

448
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nickname for humans, which is pink skins?

449
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I did wonder.

450
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I just think, yes, everyone who talks on enterprise is white, but

451
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like that's not a good reason to call them pink skins.

452
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Yeah, that's a bit awkward.

453
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It's really bad, isn't it?

454
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And why aren't they calling the Vulcans pink skins?

455
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because they're all white people as well.

456
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I mean, I think if we examine the dialogue, he generally calls

457
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Archer...

458
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But still, it does seem to be the name for us.

459
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You know what's sad about that is I don't think it's deliberately

460
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racist.

461
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I think it's just thoughtless dialogue.

462
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Yeah that's right.

463
00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:42.539
Wouldn't that be quirky?

464
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Yeah, we got the pink skin.

465
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Like, because we think they're blue.

466
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See, I think this is really good.

467
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And this is just like another boring shot where some, you know

468
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like a console explodes in some guy's face.

469
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But just it's this effect going through the corridors, I think, is

470
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really good.

471
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Well, you see, the reason why I went forward and watched the set

472
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piece from Azati Prime, where it looks like Enterprise is finally

473
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going to be destroyed, is because there was a few sparks flying in

474
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this, but I couldn't see any rocks about the place.

475
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But I'm pleased to report in a zati prime, there's rocks on dirt

476
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everywhere.

477
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Coming out of the ship.

478
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Great.

479
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Great stuff.

480
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Enterprise is packed full of them, especially when the ceiling

481
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comes down.

482
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Oh my god.

483
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There's Travis again being seen.

484
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Hoshi.

485
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Oh, that's wonderful.

486
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That is a really funny...

487
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And then the antenna.

488
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That's really funny.

489
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And then he just slides out of shot as the camera moves around

490
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slightly.

491
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I think that's very cute So, like, you know, we're halfway through

492
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the season, and this is the point where Jeffrey turns up and I'm

493
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already sold.

494
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

495
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Yeah.

496
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But he is like, like, for him to say, I'm a reliable actor.

497
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He's not, that's not ego.

498
00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.339
No, no, no.

499
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He is right. genuinely brilliant.

500
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

501
00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.099
And think of, think of those roles.

502
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Think of Brum.

503
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Think of way you.

504
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Think of shrine.

505
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They're just, I know, I know, crazy quirky characters. very

506
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distinct.

507
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Different.

508
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Yeah.

509
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:13.680
Yeah.

510
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.200
Yeah.

511
00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:22.200
So, the Andorians are here, and what we really need to be seeing

512
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:32.279
for this show to be about, it's increasing trust between them, and

513
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.819
they start off a bit wary of one another.

514
00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:38.819
And, you know, there's that scene where archers says, look, I'm

515
00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:40.079
not going to post guards.

516
00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:42.720
I'm going to have pet men with guns following them around the ship

517
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:46.500
like we just can't do that because we're trying to have a

518
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.819
relationship sort of thing.

519
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:52.740
And I think what's boring is the, oh, it turns out they just want

520
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:56.339
the weapon twist and now we have to fight them to get the weapon

521
00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:56.759
off them.

522
00:23:56.819 --> 00:24:02.759
And there's no, and the one way, the one kind of saving grace is

523
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.180
the bit at the end where someone sends them all of the

524
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:07.740
information.

525
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:12.180
And what I'm hoping is that when they're back later in the season

526
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:15.420
that it's Shran or Talas, who did that.

527
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.700
I don't think you see them again this year.

528
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.019
Ah, you see that?

529
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:20.279
They are back in four.

530
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:21.059
Okay.

531
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:21.660
Okay.

532
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.119
You see, I just sort of think, well, what's that?

533
00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:27.180
You know, like, how does it become about anything?

534
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.819
And see, we've had this before, haven't we?

535
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.480
Two of the episodes of Enterprise we've done, we've had people

536
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:40.859
come along and work alongside the Enterprise crew and that was

537
00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:43.019
cogenitor and unexpected.

538
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.259
And in each of those, that's great.

539
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.059
Like, that's really interesting.

540
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.480
That's the best part of those episodes, respectively.

541
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:55.200
And those are weird in interesting ways.

542
00:24:55.259 --> 00:25:00.180
Whereas the Andorians are just blue rather than kind of weird in

543
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:01.140
interesting ways.

544
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.400
Don't you?

545
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:06.180
I think it's a triumph for anyone to act with those twitching

546
00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:07.079
antennae.

547
00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:12.059
Okay, I think there's... to emote in that makeup.

548
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.740
Yeah, yeah. extraordinary.

549
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.839
I do really like Strand's grudging respect of Tapalm.

550
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.960
Despite the fact that, you know, he hates Falcons.

551
00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:25.559
That was quite nice because he admits it later on, doesn't he?

552
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.319
And so he sort of coughs into his hand and says, you know, she's

553
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:28.799
adequate.

554
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:33.000
Yeah, no, he says that to the general that he speaks to on the

555
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:34.140
telly a bit later on.

556
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.660
I like all of this.

557
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.599
I like the physical effects of them repairing the show.

558
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.420
And trust me, they do it a lot this season because their ship is

559
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:43.619
always falling apart this year.

560
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.480
Yeah, just the physicality of it. not just sort of waving beams

561
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:50.940
and stuff, but you've got proper welding and stuff happening in

562
00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:51.420
the background.

563
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:56.339
I was quite shocked by Jolene Blaylock's performance in this as

564
00:25:56.339 --> 00:26:00.299
well because she's more relaxed than she was in series one.

565
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.740
She's come quite a long way.

566
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:05.460
She's still sort of given that icy Vulcan performance, but...

567
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.920
She's quite at this point, hasn't she too?

568
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.019
Has she?

569
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.000
So not the show.

570
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.900
She's quit the she's quit Vulcan science theme or something.

571
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.099
Yeah, okay.

572
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.200
Oh, end of season one.

573
00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:21.240
So she's she's on board.

574
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.759
This is her tribe now, you know, Right, okay.

575
00:26:23.819 --> 00:26:24.299
Yeah.

576
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.640
She's here to stop the weapon like everybody else.

577
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.319
But there was a warmth to her.

578
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:29.940
Like, do you remember when we watched her in?

579
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.140
Was it unexpected?

580
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:33.119
and she was just a cow, was she?

581
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:34.140
Yeah.

582
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:34.680
Yeah.

583
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:35.940
This is nice.

584
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.680
I actually like this shot too.

585
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:39.660
You know, there's activity going on in the ship.

586
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:44.160
It's not, you know, like they could be standing around talking and

587
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.400
it could be much more static than this and it's not.

588
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:51.299
And I, that's the element of this show that I like is whenever

589
00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:54.000
it's showing us what it's like to just kind of live on this ship

590
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.599
because it's, you know, such a new thing for all of them.

591
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.259
Yeah, anyway.

592
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:03.359
So, as well.

593
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:05.400
I like that sandwich too.

594
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.220
I would eat the hell, like he's got the sandwich as well in the

595
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:08.579
background.

596
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.599
I want his sandwich.

597
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:14.099
So this woman is great. isn't she?

598
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.000
Yeah, I thought so.

599
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.440
I was waiting.

600
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.380
I was constantly waiting for her to be sabotaging things.

601
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:21.299
Actually, the relationship she has with Reed.

602
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.640
Yeah, it's really nice.

603
00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:25.440
She does sabotage things.

604
00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:29.640
She does do something about their senses or like taps into them or

605
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.000
something.

606
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:33.240
So she is also kind of bad, but she's got this.

607
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:37.799
She has a real 60 Star Trek look to her, not the jumpsuit or

608
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.839
anything, but I know what you mean.

609
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.339
The hair, yeah.

610
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:45.059
And the makeup, you know, the slightly like the dark blue, darker

611
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:48.000
blue lipstick and things and the, I'm the eye shadow.

612
00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:50.400
Like just the way her hair and makeup are done.

613
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.799
Make her look 60, which is glorious because that's where the

614
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:53.880
Andorians are from.

615
00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:58.380
You know, it takes a lot for me to find Malcolm Reed tolerable

616
00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:01.319
because I do think he is and this season.

617
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.819
Do you know what they did with him this season?

618
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.039
They brought on those Macos, didn't they?

619
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:06.779
These sort of military unit.

620
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.940
You're going to need proper soldiers.

621
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.500
And so he's got a huge problem with the macco leader.

622
00:28:13.500 --> 00:28:16.559
And there's a whole episode where they're slugging it out and

623
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:20.880
beating the shit out of each other and you're just like, oh, Reed

624
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.779
grow a pair, will you?

625
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.460
And just he's here to help you out.

626
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:28.019
So whenever they make him sort of sweet and funny, and you

627
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:30.960
remember when we were in congenitor when they were feeding cheese

628
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.559
to each other?

629
00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

630
00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:35.279
I felt like, you know, whatever they do things like that with

631
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:35.460
him.

632
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.759
Well, I think he and her, that subplot is really great.

633
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:40.740
And again, that's the problem.

634
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.640
I wish that I wish that there'd been some pushback against the

635
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.720
general's commands.

636
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:51.299
I wish, you know, if we're going to do this story, you need to see

637
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.039
them grow.

638
00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:58.259
You don't, you know, it undermines all of this nice stuff to have

639
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:01.380
them just turn up here because they're stealing a weapon and no

640
00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:01.980
one cares.

641
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.599
Like no one has kind of decided that it's, like, it's just

642
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:07.079
crappy.

643
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:07.980
And the same thing.

644
00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:12.000
I think Sharan should have been smart enough to sort of obey the

645
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.640
orders and help out Archer on the slide at the same time, you

646
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:17.880
know?

647
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.880
And and then you've got the same thing too, where there's this

648
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.759
problem between the Andorians and the Vulcans, and we know that

649
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.700
they're part of the founding races of the Federation, and we know

650
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:30.960
that the, you know, the humans and the Vulcans have problems as

651
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:31.259
well.

652
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:32.880
But quite serious.

653
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:38.880
It doesn't, um, doesn't tell us say that her uncle or her milkman

654
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.720
or something, her primary school teacher was killed in a, in, like

655
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:46.019
in some kind of uh, conflict with the Vulcan.

656
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:47.220
So it's a proper conflict.

657
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.180
How do we get to the from that to the federation?

658
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.200
We just... unfortunate side effect of the show being cancelled

659
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.319
after 4 years because we were heading in that direction and we

660
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.099
were going to see it.

661
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.119
Well, they said they said the ultimate endgame for the show was to

662
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.900
see that formation.

663
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.640
So they could have done that.

664
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:10.319
Yeah, yeah, but I guess we need to go like something needs to

665
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.640
happen sooner than this.

666
00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:17.099
You know, like what you set up the, this, I just love how chill

667
00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:18.059
trip is here.

668
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.019
Um, you know, they set up, you know, they set up this conflict, but

669
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:24.299
it never goes anywhere. you know.

670
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.940
I love this.

671
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:31.619
I love her reaction where he says hand me the spanner and she says

672
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:35.579
like, doesn't she later say, can I get you a coffee and stuff?

673
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:36.539
Yeah, there we go.

674
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.220
Like...

675
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.680
And he says, yeah, that'd be nice.

676
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.220
Cheers.

677
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.880
Thanks for the hospitality.

678
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:49.799
But I don't know if you remember, jump back to the pair of us

679
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:54.480
doing strange new world in series one, which was a nothing episode

680
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.220
with 0 substance.

681
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.400
It was a standalone with no consequences at all.

682
00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:03.180
Nobody was learning anything, you know, and there was no character

683
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:03.839
development.

684
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.599
This is a completely different show to that.

685
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.279
This is a lot better than that. agree.

686
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:09.539
So they've learned some lessons.

687
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:10.799
Yeah, yeah.

688
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:11.819
Oh, no.

689
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.059
Like I say, I've got real reservations about where this is going

690
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:18.779
and the whole premise, but the fact that they've decided to junk

691
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:23.640
their previous premise, do something interesting, change the

692
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.720
premise of the show up the stakes, all of that, since they're

693
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:34.380
clearly incapable of creating just a Star Trek series, you know, I

694
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:36.480
like the fact that Reed is willing to apologise.

695
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.619
I've been rude as well.

696
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.619
Yeah, because I met on this show, I generally just, assholes

697
00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:40.920
yeah.

698
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.079
Yeah.

699
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:45.539
Yeah, I mean, I love that relationship.

700
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.859
I love that ship too.

701
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.140
The Andorian ship looks great.

702
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:49.980
I know.

703
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.779
I think that enterprise is so boring.

704
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.559
Look at that.

705
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.980
Well, again, they were gonna do more with it, weren't they?

706
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.140
They were eventually going to add the thing.

707
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.700
I thought there was like, there was like a bigness to the guy, the

708
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.440
next generation surprise, you know?

709
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:08.640
And there was a sort of a magic about the TOS one.

710
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:11.640
This one just it just feels like a little tinker toy flying about

711
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.680
yeah, It's funny, isn't it?

712
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:16.740
Maybe it's just the absence of that secondary pull thing.

713
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.440
Yeah.

714
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.720
I don't know Oh, Hoshi?

715
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:22.259
coming in.

716
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.099
There you go.

717
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:23.579
Oh, there you go.

718
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.299
She got a line.

719
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.500
Good on you, Hoshi.

720
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.019
I wonder what, um, Australian culture.

721
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Go back to what you were saying earlier.

722
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.019
What's the alternative?

723
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.079
Saying pink plus...

724
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.920
Dot, dot, dot skin.

725
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:39.779
I just think maybe it would just, it's not a good enough gag to be

726
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:44.819
cluelessly racist for, you know.

727
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.299
Do you remember what they went for with DS9?

728
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:48.960
Solids.

729
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, I was thinking...

730
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.000
Toasters and skin jobs on Battlestar Galactica.

731
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.680
You know, I mean, that's kind of racist, isn't it?

732
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:06.059
But still, you know, it's not racist about human beings and the

733
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.940
default skin colour be pink, for God's sake.

734
00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:10.920
Yeah, yeah.

735
00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:12.299
Only on enterprise.

736
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:13.200
Very bad.

737
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.420
Ill, you know, they're just not thinking.

738
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:24.000
I do think, um, Scott Bacular, whilst he does some morally, sort

739
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.359
of catching Archer does some morally uncomfortable things.

740
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:31.619
He is afforded way more opportunity to show what he's made of in

741
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:32.220
this season.

742
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:39.119
Yeah, yeah, I just think here where the climax is him just turning

743
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.660
up on the ship issuing threats and being a massive asshole, that's

744
00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:43.740
boring.

745
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.180
You know, like we joke that, you know, Captain Picard might give a

746
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.539
big pompous speech or something like that, but he does that

747
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:56.640
because he values diplomacy and thinks things can be solved by, you

748
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.440
know, without conflict and Archer doesn't get a chance to do that

749
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.000
at all, you know.

750
00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.460
He doesn't get to make an appeal.

751
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.039
He doesn't get to do anything. just says, I'll blow you up unless

752
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.320
you do what I say. and that's super boring.

753
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:16.380
Sorry to bring this down to a me level, but Connor Trini is so

754
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:16.860
pretty.

755
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.360
So pretty beautiful.

756
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:18.960
Isn't he?

757
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:19.500
Yeah.

758
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.800
Yeah, see, I think this scene is very good.

759
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:28.019
And I was worried that they were ruining his character by giving

760
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:32.099
him, you know, by killing his sister off and then making him super

761
00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:36.119
angry about aliens, you know, that so he gets to become the racist

762
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.219
that he appeared to be in strange new world.

763
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:44.159
Um, but this, like he's got a kind of grown up response to this

764
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:50.460
you know, he's lost someone very dear to him, um, yeah, all of

765
00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:54.000
that sort of stuff, but he won't take revenge even if he kind of

766
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.300
feels like he would quite like to, you know.

767
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.840
In the episode that comes after, as Assy Private.

768
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.820
So the Enterprise is literally just stuck in space because it has

769
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:07.260
been taking such a beating.

770
00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:10.320
And it's called damage the next episode.

771
00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:12.300
So they're basically repairing the shit throughout the whole

772
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.039
episode and all hope is lost.

773
00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:19.199
And one of his engineer crew has died and he has to write the

774
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.119
letter to the family.

775
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:22.920
It's a woman, isn't it?

776
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:24.119
Yeah.

777
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:28.739
And, you know, and he really struggles and has a bit of a

778
00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:33.840
breakdown over it because it's essentially his sister.

779
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:35.880
Yeah, and it's really well done.

780
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.179
Yeah, look at him.

781
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.119
He's saying ideally love to get hold of the people who who did

782
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.480
this, but, um, you know, I'm not going to.

783
00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:47.340
We're here to just stop it from happening again.

784
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.679
I do like it when you get those occasional moments between both

785
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:53.219
sides.

786
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:53.940
Yeah.

787
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.380
Where there's common ground, you know?

788
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.099
That's right.

789
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.920
Even the thing here too, where he does agree to share the

790
00:35:58.920 --> 00:35:59.519
injector.

791
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:03.000
He's reluctant to share the antimatter injector, but he'll do it

792
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:07.199
because he's been convinced and just this, that relationship

793
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.400
building stuff isn't nothing and just making that all a waste of

794
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.820
time or, you know, we've been duped because we were participating

795
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:15.239
in that.

796
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:16.260
That's miserable.

797
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:17.519
Fuck, that thing looks great.

798
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:19.139
Doesn't it?

799
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.579
It looks so good.

800
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.360
I wasn't entirely convinced about the planet blowing up, but later

801
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.019
on when they return to the planet and it's just in fragments, I

802
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:29.699
was like, ooh, that looks...

803
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.360
It looks really good.

804
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.920
Just the design of it.

805
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.820
Like nothing.

806
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.500
It's like nothing in Star Trek.

807
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.699
Can you sort of think of sphere?

808
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.079
Oh, look, it's an angry insect.

809
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.780
And those insects, yeah.

810
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.460
But, you know, it's just a sphere, like the Borgs.

811
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.059
It's just like, you know, like another, another solid.

812
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:49.860
But I think that looks magnificent.

813
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.400
So good.

814
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.059
Degra's hair is so stupid.

815
00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:57.059
Here we are again amongst the, the, the Zindi.

816
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.400
Yeah, yeah, they're so boring.

817
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.619
Why do they have hair?

818
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.400
God, I love this.

819
00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:04.980
This bit where Schwan turns up and says, hello.

820
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.739
I'm from the Andorian minding Corporation.

821
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.480
He's so genial.

822
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.460
And he does archer, right?

823
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.280
He talks about archright and then just looks, looks off camera.

824
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:21.179
And he plays it with this sort of wistful tone, doesn't he?

825
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.679
Oh, I have no idea.

826
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:24.059
What was going on?

827
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:25.199
Very jolly.

828
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:26.760
He's being super genial.

829
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:30.900
And then he, then he pretends to get angry at the end and he's not

830
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:34.380
going to share any of the archery with the, with the Cindy.

831
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.079
But do you remember when we were watching the change in face of

832
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:37.500
evil?

833
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:38.159
Yeah.

834
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:41.820
And where every single performance was as fun as this.

835
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.360
This is the problem here is you've got this very dour, boring cast

836
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:46.980
of characters.

837
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.019
And every now and again, a colourful character.

838
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.159
Look how much fun he's having.

839
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:55.559
Standing long shot. doing band motion motions.

840
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:59.159
I think they're a bit embarrassed about this sort of thing.

841
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:04.679
You know, this this sort of very broad, very colourful characters

842
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.380
but you and I know, that's some of the most entertaining Star

843
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:07.800
Trek.

844
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.179
Yeah, absolutely it is.

845
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.059
They're trying to be gone, you know, like they're trying to be

846
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:12.599
serious.

847
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:14.219
And they don't really.

848
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.679
I mean, they still do preposterous high concept things.

849
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.159
You remember, you know, soul bore.

850
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:23.460
Don't you recognise the face of your enemy?

851
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.539
That's what we want.

852
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

853
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.579
No, these aliens are super boring, I'm afraid.

854
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.780
Do they get better?

855
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.539
I was reading about them and apparently, you know, they start to

856
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:38.699
take different, you know, they start to have different attitudes

857
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.820
towards the humans and the plan and all of that sort of thing.

858
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.360
Because the individual characters aren't distinct enough and the

859
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.519
relationships aren't fun enough to sort of buy into none of it

860
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:50.820
matters.

861
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:51.239
Yeah.

862
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:52.079
No.

863
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:55.500
No, no, no, again, like you, we were watching Damar and Wayoon.

864
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.159
Yeah.

865
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.039
Change the face of evil and that sort of back and forth they were

866
00:38:59.039 --> 00:38:59.219
doing.

867
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.719
You can't get any out of here.

868
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.099
No, okay.

869
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.619
I mean yeah, we can't even name them.

870
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:05.099
Can we?

871
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.079
Can you name anyone other than Degra?

872
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:08.219
I mean...

873
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.420
Yeah, Tucker Smallwood is playing a character called Zindi Primate

874
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:15.480
Counsellor. you know, and.

875
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:16.500
Is this like useless, isn't it?

876
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.679
they've looked over their shoulder at DSI and God, that works, but

877
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.800
not taken the time to see why it works.

878
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:23.219
Yeah.

879
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.320
Having a thing made up out of whole bunch of crazy aliens that

880
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.920
worked really well on Deep Space Nine, we'll do that here, but

881
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.239
that's not what it was.

882
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:35.880
Gosh, she's good.

883
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:38.039
She's kind of sexy, isn't she?

884
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:41.579
Yeah, I liked that too, and there is a little bit of a fresh song

885
00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:43.079
between them, which is kind of nice.

886
00:39:43.139 --> 00:39:44.760
I think that's really cool.

887
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:47.519
Your sometimes will worry me, you know, the more we do this

888
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:48.900
sometimes, Star Trek Project.

889
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.940
You're admiring the ladies more than the men, you know?

890
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.579
No, I don't think I am, but I...

891
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.199
Do you remember Hammer in the Masterpiece Society?

892
00:39:55.260 --> 00:40:00.179
Yeah, she was pretty great, but, um, you know, there's still

893
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:02.280
Connor Trinier is the prettiest person in this car.

894
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.559
She's got like purple lipstick on as well.

895
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.519
Yeah, it's blue.

896
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.400
Like, it's just slightly darker blue. it looks terrific.

897
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:09.659
She looks so good.

898
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:16.800
I think her best bit of this is when Archie goes, okay, fine. take

899
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.420
us out of here and she just stares at the console because she

900
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.820
knows what's about the portrayals about it.

901
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:26.219
And the camera goes right in on her.

903
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.579
Like, oh, I'm not going to do what you tell me because this isn't

904
00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:30.239
how it's going down.

905
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.500
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.219
But and again, there's some things that don't make sense there, I

907
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.539
think, and we'll get there.

908
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.840
But this is nice, isn't it?

909
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.920
Like that thing where she says your father is probably very

910
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.059
disappointed in you.

911
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.179
And I thought for a second, oh, she's really kind of blown it

912
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:51.480
that's a terrible thing to say, but she's right.

913
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.920
And he agrees.

914
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:57.000
He says, yeah, you know, like I'm on an exploration ship instead

915
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.219
of a warship and the Royal Navy was his life.

916
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.420
Like, I think that was good.

917
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.480
That was actually like a good piece of dialogue.

918
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.739
See, she's doing something here.

919
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:08.820
That's her fiddling with the senses, which we find out later.

920
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.300
We're back on the bridge now.

921
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.679
So there's a good chance that Hoshi or the other fellow whose name

922
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:17.519
I can't even remember.

923
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:18.599
Yeah, Travis.

924
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.239
May get to say, oh, no, you got a close-up.

925
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.260
You got a close-up.

926
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.119
It's very pretty, isn't he?

927
00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah.

929
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:28.739
Here we go, dude.

930
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.460
The weapon is now.

931
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.840
And look how it aims.

932
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:33.059
All of those sort of rings and things on the surface come

933
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:33.360
together.

934
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:34.320
That looks great.

935
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:37.320
Actually, no, that does look good. yeah.

936
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:41.760
Some of the stuff in, like, in the that two-part finale near

937
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.219
finale that we did, Tara Prime.

938
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.119
You remember the thing taking off and then landing on the...

939
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:51.659
Yeah, but it looks a bit like a cartoon. and I think V looks

940
00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:52.199
better than that.

941
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Oh my god, look at the big, big subtitles.

942
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.619
Like, you're watching it with subtitles.

943
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.340
But whenever the insects speak or the whale people, they have big

944
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:05.820
subtitles because we can't read very quickly or something.

945
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.480
It's that, you know, I do like the...

946
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.159
I do like the whale people.

947
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:14.460
No, I do, but I like the idea that...

948
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

949
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:16.320
Yeah.

950
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.380
Like, why are aliens always just Americans?

951
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.800
Yeah, we're always just covered in latex and we're not doing, yeah

952
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.400
they're all...

953
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:28.559
But I mean, look at the look at poor old Rick Worthy there or

954
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.280
whoever it is.

955
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.380
Rick Worthy, yeah.

956
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.420
Yes, very upsetting.

957
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.280
In the next episode, right?

958
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:37.559
They kidnap Degra.

959
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:43.019
And the whole 1st act is Degra and Archer on this shuttle that we

960
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:43.860
don't recognise.

961
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:46.980
And he's like, you know, we got away.

962
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.340
You're all right, your memory's gone a little bit and it turns out

963
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:52.139
the whole thing is a massive con.

964
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.039
They've built this shuttle in their shuttle bay and they're

965
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.820
pretending and then he comes out and the whole episode is about

966
00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:02.340
trying to con him into giving the information about the weapon.

967
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.380
It's really well done.

968
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.119
And when he starts figuring it all out, just constantly having to

969
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.559
like improvise and think on his feet.

970
00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:12.360
Yeah, okay.

971
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:13.500
Oh that sounds really good.

972
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:18.119
I think that's where Degra starts to sort of land on his feet and

973
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.260
become a bit more interesting.

974
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.519
And so this character.

975
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:26.639
Like there's payoff from a previous episode about the chemist site

976
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:32.280
being interfered with by an arboreal Zindi or something, like

977
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.019
Zindi, Lemur guy.

978
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.119
Yeah, I don't remember that too much.

979
00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:39.179
You know, every time I hear the word chema site, though, you know

980
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:42.300
I don't know if you recall in little green men, it's the chema

981
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.539
site in the hole that Rom has to eject, which sends them back in

982
00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:46.800
time to the Roswell.

983
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:50.639
And they do this whole speech about chemosite, which is full of

984
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.960
Star Trek Technobabble.

985
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:55.860
And Rom just goes on and on and on and Nog and Quark look at each

986
00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:57.900
other like, what the fuck is he saying?

987
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.119
Every time I hear the word human side, I just think of it.

988
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:06.059
It must be from original trek, though, isn't it?

989
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.400
Like, surely, it must be from original track.

990
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:12.719
Rom Moore, Brannan Bragger, they love cherry picking those

991
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:13.260
records.

992
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:13.980
That starts, you know.

993
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

994
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.900
The Pike City pioneers, you know, that's what I think.

995
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.320
Yeah.

996
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.480
Yeah, with all of that stuff's great.

997
00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:23.940
You know, that is a thing that enterprise does.

998
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.440
Like it, it is really, strictly speaking, a sequel to 1st contact

999
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:33.059
but they make it very Star Trek-y, you know, with the, Andorians

1000
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:36.659
and the, and the, um, Vulcans and stuff.

1001
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.320
Do you wonder if these 2 shouldn't have had a little kiss?

1002
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.320
No, actually, I just like the fact that they're working together.

1003
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:45.659
You know, they're aliens, they're very different from one

1004
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:46.139
another.

1005
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:53.159
They find some common ground, you know, and like it has an effect

1006
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.239
even though I don't like it. you know, it's a, it's kind of a bit

1007
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.420
sad that it's all a ploy, you know.

1008
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.079
Like, but as you're watching it, you realise that it's got to be a

1009
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.920
ploy because I was here waiting for, you know, like there's no way

1010
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.480
that that's the trouble.

1011
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.280
The twist is so obvious.

1012
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.599
Like, what else could it be?

1013
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:18.000
Well, remember like in in the best sort of early DS9 episodes

1014
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.579
where, you know, you had like Kai Winn arranging that whole thing

1015
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:23.820
with the school, just so she could assassinate Vedic Barra. you

1016
00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:24.539
know, that was clever.

1017
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:25.320
Yeah.

1018
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.440
Or, you know, to cut in Kardassians when he's trying to bring down

1019
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.179
Garak, that, yeah, you're right.

1020
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.099
You're just literally waiting for the inevitable.

1021
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:32.820
Yeah, yeah.

1022
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.340
If it's called like a sleight of hand somehow.

1023
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.099
I just had a sinking feeling about it.

1024
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.500
Like I just sort of thought, oh, this stuff's nice.

1025
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.940
This is them.

1026
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.659
It's the same.

1027
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.280
Do you remember when they're, it's Andreas Katsulis or whatever

1028
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.579
the guy from, um, cogenitor.

1029
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.280
And, you know, like they're getting on together and all of that

1030
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.800
and all of that's sort of really fun and nice and then it goes to

1031
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.820
hell because it turns out they have, you know, the enslavers and

1032
00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:00.360
staff.

1033
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.199
Oh my god, we still can't get the eyelines right in these video

1034
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:05.460
conferences, can we?

1035
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.300
What's he looking at?

1036
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.340
In somewhere off camera.

1037
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.260
This poor actor, he's just a face on a screen.

1038
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.619
Yeah, yeah. 4 hours in makeup for that.

1039
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.480
Staticy screen at that, yeah.

1040
00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

1041
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.900
Yeah, he's someone but I don't quite know who.

1042
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.099
I like this shot.

1043
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:24.179
Did you know what, right?

1044
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.119
Can I tell you, I, nothing to do with this, but I picked up the

1045
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.619
Star Trek Voyager season 2 DVD box set for a pound the other day.

1046
00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:32.099
Oh, okay.

1047
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.300
And on it was a day in the life of Ethan Phillips on the set of

1048
00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:37.440
Star Trek Voyager.

1049
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:41.400
And we see him at 3 o'clock in the morning going into his trailer

1050
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.000
and then it sort of does a fast forward bit where you see all the

1051
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:45.840
makeup going on.

1052
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:48.179
He's all right, this is 5 hours later and I'm ready to go.

1053
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:51.599
So that fella's gone through all of that.

1054
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.940
Neelix's makeup is a little bit more elaborate than the Andorian

1055
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.800
makeup, I think, but yes.

1056
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:03.059
Well, the funniest thing is, the day they chose, he went, well, I

1057
00:47:03.059 --> 00:47:04.079
had 3 lines that day.

1058
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:06.900
Crap.

1059
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:07.860
Wow.

1060
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.199
God, the more I'm looking at this woman, they're all beautiful.

1061
00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:13.920
She's looking.

1062
00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:16.019
Luscious locks.

1064
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.039
But she just sort of made the, made the, a bit fuzzier and puts

1065
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:20.579
some volume.

1066
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:22.019
A bit like original Star Trek.

1067
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.639
It could be 60s track.

1068
00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:26.579
But don't you think it's a shame that all of that is just a ploy

1069
00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:27.780
to get a weapon?

1070
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.980
It's so boring.

1071
00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:32.760
It's much more fun if there was any pushback.

1072
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:37.260
If there was anything that indicated that that Tran didn't like

1073
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:42.119
this idea or was being forced to do or found a way of doing it

1074
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.480
that satisfied the general that didn't ruin the relationship

1075
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.699
because like...

1076
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:49.320
Trouble is, it makes it all pointless.

1077
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:54.119
Like you said, it undermines all of that, all of those, um, the

1078
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.000
progression of the relationships that we're seeing and it's just

1079
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.039
for our benefit just to trick us.

1080
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:00.179
So the twist works.

1081
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah.

1083
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:03.599
It's a great shame, I think.

1084
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.760
And yeah.

1085
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.480
Yeah.

1086
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:09.599
It doesn't mean the scenes themselves are fun to watch.

1087
00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:11.820
No, but I think the episode is flawed.

1088
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.340
Like, I think that's the problem with the episode. that the twist

1089
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:18.420
is super boring, that it ruins everything that came beforehand and

1090
00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:20.219
that that it was nice.

1091
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.960
It doesn't all have to be terrible.

1092
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:25.380
You know, like they're under pressure, they're, you know, bad

1093
00:48:25.380 --> 00:48:26.820
things are happening to them.

1094
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:32.039
And can't we get out of it by having allies and stuff?

1095
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:35.400
You know, like, do we always have to be yelling at the station

1096
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:36.420
recently, have we?

1097
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.940
They frown upon this sort of thing.

1098
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.039
Oh no, their federation is not a thing yet, is it?

1099
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:45.900
No, no, but, uh, you know, staff in the captain's share.

1100
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.280
Yeah, I always love that.

1101
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.239
Yeah, look at the planet.

1102
00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:52.139
Look at the planet with the shit blown out. of the... grab the

1103
00:48:52.139 --> 00:48:52.440
weapon.

1104
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:56.940
Yeah, I think that the reptilians have great ships too, like, or

1105
00:48:56.940 --> 00:49:00.360
whatever the fuck they are, the, you know, those ships look really

1106
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:01.860
good. we go.

1107
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.460
I think even if the technology wasn't always there.

1108
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.340
The people doing the CGI, the imagination.

1109
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.179
You know, there are times when I think Voyager, CGI looks really

1110
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:14.639
good, but maybe it's just not quite as ambitious.

1111
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.500
They certainly do things like Planetscapes and stuff like that in

1112
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.059
Voyager that look magnificent.

1113
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.840
I can't help but notice, you know, this bit where she knows he's

1114
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.920
going to turn on him now.

1115
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:27.420
Her antenna is not going crazy.

1116
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:28.320
Yeah, yeah.

1117
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.480
And there's a bit of a tale with the Andorans.

1118
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.619
There is one thing where I laughed out loud where, um, where

1119
00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:38.880
Strans antennae just went suddenly erect for some reason when he

1120
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.420
was surprised.

1121
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.699
They just like, that sucks. when he drinks the ale.

1122
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:43.920
And then suddenly he goes, ooh.

1123
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.860
So now, yeah, like you said, well, that wolf is gone and Archer

1124
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:55.380
just gets to be a ranting sort of bully again.

1125
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1126
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:57.360
That's right.

1127
00:49:57.420 --> 00:49:59.699
I don't even know why he has to go on their ship and order them

1128
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:00.000
around.

1129
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:02.760
Like, it's kind of like we're going to go. he says Oh, we'll go

1130
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.659
and help you.

1131
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.340
And he said, oh, do you mind if I come and look?

1132
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.320
No, no, no, he has to come and be in charge.

1133
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:08.280
Like, why is that?

1134
00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:12.780
Well, I can't trust them, Nathan. not a respectable white man, you

1135
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:13.019
know?

1136
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:14.579
Yeah.

1137
00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:20.460
Yeah, so see this, the shouting and the bullshit, like it's so

1138
00:50:20.460 --> 00:50:21.420
crap.

1139
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.380
It is very crap, and here's the word pink skin again.

1140
00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:27.539
Yeah.

1141
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.380
Yeah.

1142
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:29.820
So what are we going to do?

1143
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.579
We're going to have an all out war between these 2 ships in the

1144
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:35.340
middle of, no, I think we both know it's going to end quite

1145
00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:35.940
tidily.

1146
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1147
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.699
And you know, like we don't get to see it, but their ship is

1148
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:46.380
disabled and they can't get anywhere and so presumably they're

1149
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:48.420
fuming and frantically repairing the ship.

1150
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.099
But and we don't see that.

1151
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.780
But like, fuck off.

1152
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.840
You know, like punching people in the face. want a prick.

1153
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:57.179
You know, I just think.

1154
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:00.300
And I did, I did say earlier, you know, causing the fact this, this

1155
00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:03.119
is a season with consequences, but actually none of this.

1156
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.679
Really?

1157
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:05.880
Faxes into anything.

1158
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:09.239
Again, when we watch Change of Face of Evil, all of that stuff

1159
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.380
Windkilling, Soulbore, Demar, defecting from the Dominion, it all

1160
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:14.039
meant something.

1161
00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:15.900
Oh, yeah, that's a soap opera.

1162
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:16.800
That was...

1163
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:19.320
That's why it was exciting because we were like, shit, well

1164
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.099
where's this going?

1165
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.820
Yeah, yeah.

1166
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.800
Yeah, and this could have gone somewhere.

1167
00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:25.380
This could have gone somewhere, but they chose not to, but it is

1168
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:32.400
just that like the cheap twist and a fist fight seems like too

1169
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.500
little, like that's a shitty payoff for something that could have

1170
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:38.940
been more interesting than that.

1171
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.539
There's not enough focus on Reed either.

1172
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.039
The episode has devoted about 10 minutes to the 2 of them and

1173
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:50.280
they're... what happens when he's betrayed, you know, and he's

1174
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.099
discovered that she has interfered with the senses, which they've

1175
00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:53.760
just noticed.

1176
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:57.539
I mean, maybe we get a reaction show or something.

1177
00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:02.099
But here too, like here, Shran, has he been drinking?

1178
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.780
He's got the things on the table.

1179
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.719
He's a bit kind of thing with the general.

1180
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:10.739
Is he going over there?

1181
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.820
Like, what's he doing?

1182
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.099
I want him to transmit the thing?

1183
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.260
Like someone transmits the thing.

1184
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.960
So there's no price to pay for Archer being an aggressive shithead

1185
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.079
at this point because they get the information anyway.

1186
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:27.000
But who sends it?

1187
00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:29.579
You know, like that matters, I think, in a way.

1188
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.119
It can't just be, you know, someone who cared enough to send this

1189
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.300
and maybe there is hope for our relationship after all because

1190
00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:37.380
they don't do any of that.

1191
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.519
But there is sort of a suggestion that he feels bad about it.

1192
00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:44.699
He's sitting there in his room looking a bit forlorn a 2nd ago

1193
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:45.119
wasn't he?

1194
00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:46.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1195
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:50.940
I think he's basically doing it because those are his orders, but

1196
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:55.260
He does have a friendship with Archer at this point.

1197
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:56.760
What about this?

1198
00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:02.159
This is Archer thanking him for sending the censor to Lemetry, only

1199
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.059
to say, and we know the activation codes as a result, and so we're

1200
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:06.780
going to blow you up.

1201
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:07.800
Do you know what I mean?

1202
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:08.579
Like, it's fucked.

1203
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:09.719
I just, you know.

1204
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.019
I think this is supposed to be an incredibly tense moment now, but

1205
00:53:13.019 --> 00:53:15.420
it's like, Willie, release the weapon or not.

1206
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.980
Oh, yes, who cares?

1207
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.880
Like, I just think this spoils it, and it's a shame because it was

1208
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.460
a pretty great episode until now I was having fun.

1209
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.260
And I think that that's the problem here generally with this

1210
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.599
season is that aliens are the enemy.

1211
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:34.920
And they've gone down that route of, yeah, at whatever cost.

1212
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.900
Yeah, stop this thing.

1213
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.960
And as you said, you know, we did that in anomaly.

1214
00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:40.500
We've done it.

1215
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:41.340
We do it a couple of times.

1216
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:45.900
And, you know, he deems to look a bit sad about it for 5 seconds

1217
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:47.519
and then moves on to the next episode.

1218
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:52.619
But what about the drama that's created when you don't say and

1219
00:53:52.619 --> 00:53:53.760
whatever cost?

1220
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:59.219
And you have something that you can't do because your principles

1221
00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:03.420
forget, you know, prevent you from doing it, even if it's the

1222
00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:06.360
thing that you have to do to save Earth?

1223
00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:12.119
And that's what they do in Discovery season one finale.

1224
00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:15.599
They have the choice to blow up the Klingon home world and put a

1225
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:20.579
stop to the war and instead they say, no, we find another way of

1226
00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:21.000
doing it.

1227
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.000
And they find another way of doing it, which eventually leads to

1228
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.179
friendship between the Klingons and the Federation, you know.

1229
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:31.380
Well, that's basically what they do, what you leave behind, is

1230
00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:34.679
when they go to Cardassia, and it's like, right, we're going to

1231
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.960
take them all on, and Odo goes, no, I'm going to go down there and

1232
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.800
talk to her.

1233
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:39.659
There's a better way of doing this.

1234
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:43.440
And then she straight away says after that talk, which I think is

1235
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.880
2 seconds in screen time, about 15 hours in founder's time.

1236
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:50.760
No, you know, disarm the ships.

1237
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:51.900
Yeah.

1238
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:52.500
Yeah.

1239
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.320
Yeah, here we go.

1240
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:55.920
Oh, what?

1241
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:56.699
Is he going to gloat?

1242
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.760
I like this is this is the other problem of enterprises.

1243
00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:02.880
They do feel the need to put in an action sequence in every

1244
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:04.739
episode, whether it needs it or not.

1245
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.139
And maybe this would have worked better as a character piece.

1246
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:11.699
It was, you know, going along quite nicely, just as character

1247
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:12.179
seems.

1248
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.440
Yeah, yeah.

1249
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:16.079
I mean, you know, there's enough stuff to do with the weapon and

1250
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.719
things, you know, you could give them an exciting space problem

1251
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:23.340
that was there, you know, was the action sequence.

1252
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:27.119
It doesn't have to be conflict between Andorians and Earth people

1253
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:33.239
that, you know, that motivates the action sequence.

1254
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:33.900
It can be something else.

1255
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.059
Yeah, see these.

1256
00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:39.300
I do I do like, you know, they've got the data now, so it's

1257
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:42.300
another piece of the puzzle. is inching it along. like all of

1258
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:42.480
that.

1259
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:46.800
But they don't get the data by being clever or by being kind or

1260
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.920
anything like that, you know, just someone, for some reason, sends

1261
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.599
it to them or we never know who or why.

1262
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.679
Because that's what the season needs to progress.

1263
00:55:58.739 --> 00:55:59.579
That's why.

1264
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:03.539
Yeah, what if someone felt that the relationship between humans

1265
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:07.860
and Andorians was important and that they wanted to further it and

1266
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:10.619
maybe we're supposed to conclude that from this, but it's not

1267
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:12.059
really quite enough, I think.

1268
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:18.480
So, essentially then, may I do think there are some very strong

1269
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:25.079
episodes in season three, but I think the sort of the whole is

1270
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:29.400
more exciting than the individual pieces for the most part, which

1271
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.860
is not usually the way in Star Trek.

1272
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:32.699
No, no.

1273
00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:35.699
And like I'm with Billingsley.

1274
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.820
I think that this is a misstep and I think it's a betrayal of the

1275
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:40.619
politics of Star Trek.

1276
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.059
I think it's a bad thing.

1277
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:46.320
I think Voyager is often a bad thing for the same reason, you know

1278
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.639
Star Trek hasn't universally followed those principles and in a

1279
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:55.380
way, the only era of Star Trek that really cares about them is the

1280
00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:56.280
current era.

1281
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.119
Um, you know, there's there's gestures towards it all throughout

1282
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.300
Star Trek, the Next Generation, but it's pretty quickly abandoned

1283
00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:07.619
and uh, maybe genes, the one who is responsible for, for it

1284
00:57:07.619 --> 00:57:10.920
although there's not massive amounts of evidence for it in

1285
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.679
original track. necessarily.

1286
00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:17.159
But, I don't know.

1287
00:57:17.219 --> 00:57:17.820
I don't know.

1288
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:18.480
I don't know.

1289
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:23.460
I think that the whole thing is misconceived, but the advantage of

1290
00:57:23.460 --> 00:57:25.500
it is, it makes the show more interesting.

1291
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:26.639
It gives it stakes.

1292
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:29.880
It does things that could have been cleverly done some other way

1293
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.920
but the things it does are pretty good, I think.

1294
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:38.280
I think it makes the show better television, even if it is more

1295
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.000
troubling.

1296
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:46.440
And it does lead to some of the best enterprise episodes and the

1297
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:52.500
few episodes where you can say this ranks amongst some of the

1298
00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:55.019
better episodes of the other series.

1299
00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:59.099
And this show doesn't, you know, it doesn't get that high very

1300
00:57:59.099 --> 00:57:59.820
often, you know?

1301
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:00.599
Yeah.

1302
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.960
Well, we've covered some pretty dreary enterprise episodes so

1303
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:04.260
far.

1304
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:04.860
Oh, sure.

1305
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.260
But like I think all of the ones that we've done are kind of

1306
00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:07.739
memorable.

1307
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.039
I think there's a lot to be said for cogenitor, I think, unexpected

1308
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.480
has a lot to be said for it as well.

1309
00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:16.079
You know, they're not perfect and they're stupid in places and

1310
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.360
whatever, but that's kind of Star Trek anyway.

1311
00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:22.559
And Strange New World was memorable by just how unmemorable it

1312
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:22.739
was.

1313
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.320
Yeah, no, that was right at the beginning of the road.

1314
00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:27.360
Yeah, that was properly dreadful.

1315
00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:31.320
Does this encourage you to go ahead and watch any more of season

1316
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:31.619
three?

1317
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.400
Yeah, I think that series, I think that season 3 is probably the

1318
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.719
one that I feel worst about not having seen all of.

1319
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:44.039
And I did have a, you know, like I binged a whole bunch of it one

1320
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.940
time, but I was, I don't know, drinking red wine and doing web

1321
00:58:47.940 --> 00:58:49.199
development at the same time.

1322
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:51.360
Oh, right off. proper attention.

1323
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.639
Amazing messages to me at the time.

1324
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.840
This is a complete betrayal of the rotten game.

1325
00:58:58.619 --> 00:59:03.239
But I, you know, like I think I probably should watch, I think I

1326
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:04.920
probably should watch more of it, to be honest.

1327
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:05.280
Yeah.

1328
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.320
I think one day I've just got...

1329
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:08.219
I hate this.

1330
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:12.420
I think it might have been anomaly.

1331
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.800
I think it might have been anomaly.

1332
00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:14.940
Yeah, yeah.

1333
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.760
That might be our greatest diversion, is that one?

1334
00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:22.260
Yeah, I like one episode called Anomaly and you like the other

1335
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:22.500
one.

1336
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.980
Well, it's the end of the episode and it is time, of course, for

1337
00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:37.260
us to work out what we're going to be watching next time.

1338
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:43.320
I was the one who chose Enterprise last week and that means it's

1339
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:46.800
your turn, Joe, to pick one or more series for us to choose from.

1340
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.780
Hmm.

1341
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.199
Well, it's been a long time.

1342
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:56.639
Oh, we do another end.

1343
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.139
Surprise episode. brilliant. do that.

1344
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.219
No, no, no, no, no.

1345
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.860
Since I last chose every series on the round.

1346
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:02.940
Oh, okay, all right.

1347
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:03.780
Yep, you can do that then.

1348
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.420
So I am going to put them all in.

1349
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.099
There's a lot of taps now, isn't there?

1350
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.800
Original series, animated series.

1351
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.699
Films, Next Generation, Deep Space 9 Voyage, Enterprise, Discovery

1352
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:18.719
Short Treks, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, or Strange New Worlds.

1353
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.219
Okay.

1354
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:20.940
Here we go.

1355
01:00:21.059 --> 01:00:22.920
It's exciting.

1356
01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:24.539
Oh, bloody hell.

1357
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:25.199
It's a film.

1358
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:26.519
Oh, what is it?

1359
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.280
You busy next week?

1360
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:32.820
I'll have to read that fucking book I bought as well.

1361
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.639
It's Star Trek 5, the final frontier.

1362
01:00:35.699 --> 01:00:39.059
I would so love to do that, but I don't know whether...

1363
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:40.739
I'm not sure what have the time, you know.

1364
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.539
Let's keep that to a special occasion when we've got a little bit

1365
01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:45.840
more time.

1366
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.380
Oh, it is an enterprise episode.

1367
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:54.059
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season one, episodes

1368
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:55.980
one and two, Broken Bow.

1369
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:57.059
Bo.

1370
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:57.780
Bo?

1371
01:00:57.780 --> 01:00:58.500
Broken bow.

1372
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.260
I'm not sure I want to watch Star Trek again after that.

1373
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:03.960
Super boring, isn't it?

1374
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:07.500
We will have to do it at some point, but yes, I think you're

1375
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:07.679
right.

1376
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.579
Oh my god, yes, this is the one.

1377
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.320
Easy threshold.

1378
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.760
No, but it is a star of the next generation episode that I can

1379
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.920
guarantee that we're going to love.

1380
01:01:20.099 --> 01:01:24.179
Uh, is it yesterday's enterprise because we've done that already?

1381
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.880
And this is the shocking part.

1382
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:30.480
It's a Dr. Beverly episode of Star Trek the Next Generation that

1383
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.019
we're going to love.

1384
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:32.639
Oh, is it Remember Me?

1385
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:34.380
It's Remember Me.

1386
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:35.460
Season.

1387
01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:36.780
Episode five.

1388
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.079
Well, not Beverly, you and I are the only people in the universe.

1389
01:01:40.139 --> 01:01:40.559
You know that.

1390
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.239
So brilliant.

1391
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.380
It's terribly good.

1392
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.280
Wow.

1393
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:45.059
Well, that's exciting.

1394
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:45.900
I know.

1395
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.780
Oh, okay, we have done a lot of nightish trek lately.

1396
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.659
If you're going to pick all of the series, that's going to happen

1397
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:56.099
almost certainly, but I think that Remember Me is an absolute

1398
01:01:56.099 --> 01:01:56.460
classic.

1399
01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:00.719
Desperate to watch our next generation episode that reminds me why

1400
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.880
I ever like the show in the 1st place.

1401
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:08.699
The only downside of this is, is we now would have done three

1402
01:02:08.699 --> 01:02:12.179
three of Beverly Crusher's, 6 episodes in the runway are going to

1403
01:02:12.179 --> 01:02:13.260
get many more, you know.

1404
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.760
She didn't get a lot to do.

1405
01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:17.460
No, let's do it. so fun.

1406
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:18.539
Brilliant.

1407
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:19.019
Perfect.

1408
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.980
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1409
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:33.059
and Nathan Bottomley.

1410
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.480
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1411
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.659
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1412
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1413
01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:45.000
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1414
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:49.320
This episode was recorded on the 8th of August 2023 and released

1415
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.940
on the 11th of August.

1416
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.880
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation.

1417
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:55.139
Remember me.

1418
01:03:11.219 --> 01:03:13.199
Should I get a prompt?

1419
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:15.179
No, you never do.

1420
01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:19.380
It's not actually recording.

1421
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:20.340
Let me run it.

1422
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.139
No that's not the right one.

1423
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.960
Oh yeah, no, it is recording.

1424
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:28.619
Okay, I'll have to make it show the thing.

1425
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.239
Oh, add some more stuff.

1426
01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:31.679
No, that did actually work.

1427
01:03:31.739 --> 01:03:32.400
Say something.

1428
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.460
Um, yeah.

1429
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:41.519
Season 3 of Star Trek Enterprise is dot dot adult.

1430
01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:45.179
A betrayal of everything the franchise stands for.

1431
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:54.119
Oh, you would have liked episode eight. of Stranger Worlds.

1432
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.519
Which is...

1433
01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:57.480
Well, I'm going to binge it soon.

1434
01:03:57.539 --> 01:03:58.679
I'm gonna binge a lot soon.

1435
01:03:58.739 --> 01:04:03.480
It's very much the siege of AR 558, only, you know.

1436
01:04:03.539 --> 01:04:04.199
Yes I heard that.

1437
01:04:04.260 --> 01:04:05.219
I heard that.

1438
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.460
It's a bit, yeah, but... excuse me.

1439
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:13.019
It looks beautiful, you know, and it's just sort of well told and

1440
01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:17.699
stuff and it gives my Benga a great role and he's the best thing

1441
01:04:17.699 --> 01:04:18.300
in the show.

1442
01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:24.239
I'm perfectly sure that that musical episode was excellent, but

1443
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.199
that scene with the Klingons was just awful.

1444
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.780
No, then you have to see it in context.

1445
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:31.380
It's so great.

1446
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:34.139
I was like, this cannot be it.

1447
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.019
Everyone at work and watched it just went, oh my god.

1448
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:40.380
Look, I think the big problem is, we talk about this.

1449
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.460
Yeah.

1450
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.900
The big problem is that there's always the Buffy musical.

1451
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:47.039
Do you know what I mean?

1452
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:50.219
And the Buffy musical is the thing against which it gets

1453
01:04:50.219 --> 01:04:50.760
compared.

1454
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.639
And I think the songs aren't... aren't strong enough for that.

1455
01:04:56.699 --> 01:05:00.360
So I thought it was really good, but it's not the Buffy musical.

1456
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.980
I do think some of the numbers are great.

1457
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.539
I think fucking Celia Gooding, Junior, as I'll think, always think

1458
01:05:06.539 --> 01:05:07.619
of her, is incredible.

1459
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.099
The reason why the Buffy musical works so well is because we were

1460
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:14.760
6 seasons in, we knew those characters so well, and every song

1461
01:05:15.300 --> 01:05:17.579
through new light on those characters.

1462
01:05:17.699 --> 01:05:23.460
Yeah, and and like, although, you know, we observe before that the

1463
01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:26.699
next time trailer is always about relationships between the

1464
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:29.219
characters are not about space things that are happening.

1465
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.519
So there are relationships happening between the characters, but

1466
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.780
the fact that these are sort of young adults that, you know, the

1467
01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:40.199
whole of Buffy is about the relationships between the characters

1468
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.739
and the emotional fallout, that's the centre of the show.

1469
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:44.940
I love it.

1470
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:46.199
Yeah, yeah, I do too.

1471
01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:50.159
And when you're young, you're all of that stuff is super operatic

1472
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.500
and, you know, you burst into song and stuff.

1473
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:53.280
I love it.

1474
01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:54.420
Yeah, exactly.

1475
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.119
Whereas Star Trek isn't quite that.

1476
01:05:57.179 --> 01:06:00.659
And so there are, you know, there's enough there to have songs

1477
01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:04.800
about, but I don't just don't think the songs are quite as good as

1478
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.500
the, as the buffy ones.

1479
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:10.739
But I just thought it was really fun.

1480
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.239
And I'm so glad they did it.

1481
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:18.000
Um, you know, 2 episodes after the, after the crossover with our

1482
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.940
decks. like they're just absolutely...

1483
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.500
This is fine.

1484
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.900
And Jammer gave it 3.5 stars.

1485
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.460
How about that?

1486
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:27.360
Yeah.

1487
01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:31.440
He does like the old and he gave Bem comedy episode.

1488
01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:39.119
Which shows who's got a scintilla of taste.

1489
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:42.360
Terrified.

1490
01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:46.679
I checked in too before he wrote his review, you know, because he

1491
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:50.280
opens the thread up and just everyone there was super positive.

1492
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:54.960
And the 2 people at work who liked Star Trek and like Strange New

1493
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.440
Worlds were raving about it, including one person who was really

1494
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.719
worried that it would break the show.

1495
01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:03.539
And I said, look, you know, there'll be some bullshit space

1496
01:07:03.539 --> 01:07:05.880
reasons for them to be all singing.

1497
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.019
And of course, there were.

1498
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.820
And he was fine with that.

1499
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.639
And so he thought it was really, like, it's really funny.

1500
01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:15.599
Fraser's just found it and he's such a compreri bugger.

1501
01:07:15.659 --> 01:07:16.860
It's not as popular.

1502
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:18.420
It'll find a reason not to like it.

1503
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.119
If something's unpopular, it'll find a reason to like it.

1504
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:26.460
And he started talking about Strange New Worlds and He said

1505
01:07:26.460 --> 01:07:32.280
something uncomplimentary on our thread and I just went, don't, all

1506
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:32.639
right?

1507
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:33.840
Just don't.

1508
01:07:33.900 --> 01:07:34.860
I know what you're doing.

1509
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:38.880
I said, and just enjoy it because it's a really fun show to be

1510
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:39.480
enjoyed.

1511
01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:42.420
And then somewhere in mid-season one, he just fell in love with

1512
01:07:42.420 --> 01:07:42.780
it.

1513
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:50.219
I'm really serious when I say I think it might be the best.

1514
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:51.179
Star Trek.

1515
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.699
Oh, I wouldn't go that far.

1516
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.400
Oh, I'm pretty close to go that far.

1517
01:07:56.460 --> 01:07:58.980
I think, you know, deep say sign's a different thing.

1518
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:03.900
But I just think the characters are so relaxed.

1519
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:05.820
It's so beautiful.

1520
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.719
It so accomplished.

1521
01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:10.199
There's such a great variety of stuff going on every season.

1522
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.179
My shoes, there ain't enough of it.

1523
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.800
I ain't got to be enough of it.

1524
01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:15.119
Yeah, that's right.

1525
01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:15.659
That's right.

1526
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.060
But, you know, that's how you get quality, I guess.

1527
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:25.079
I do like that sort of those 3 shows where we add 179 episodes.

1528
01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:29.039
And, you know, there's so much of it that you can live with the

1529
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:29.279
shit.

1530
01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:30.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1531
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:32.220
Oh, no, no, I agree.

1532
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.000
And the shit stuff is fun, but also it is the theme.

1533
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:39.239
No, like, it's the thing.

1534
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:46.079
Like, I think, you know, the whole 90 strike thing has PTSD after

1535
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:51.000
series one and 2 are so appalling and they kind of just go, we're

1536
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.779
just doing this and they raise the floor, but they don't raise the

1537
01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:55.260
ceiling.

1538
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:56.399
Have I said this before?

1539
01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:02.159
And so it never really reaches, you know, there's best of both

1540
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:02.579
worlds.

1541
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:07.739
There's there's stuff in 90 Streak, which is incredible, but here

1542
01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:11.819
like I think they're braver than they ever were in the 90s and

1543
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:13.140
that's fun as well.

1544
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:17.340
And so you get things like the Elysian Kingdom and subspace

1545
01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:18.180
Rhapsody and stuff.

1546
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:22.979
Sad thing about it is because it's like streaming.

1547
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.800
It's just getting a fraction of the audience, so those 90 shows

1548
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:26.520
we're getting.

1549
01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:29.819
And so it doesn't have the, the, and it's competing with so many

1550
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:31.739
other genre shows now.

1551
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.460
Everything that it can't have the cultural impact that next

1552
01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:36.960
generation had in the 90s.

1553
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:40.380
Yeah, I think maybe that's right, but it's hard to tell long term

1554
01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:40.979
now.

1555
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.340
Like what happens now that there is so much TV, because if it was

1556
01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:48.359
on CBS on, I don't know, when was Star Trek, like Saturday night

1557
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:49.079
at 7.30?

1558
01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:50.460
I literally have no idea.

1559
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.340
Sometimes it was during the week, I seem to remember from looking

1560
01:09:53.340 --> 01:09:55.079
at the air days on...

1561
01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:55.800
Do you know what I mean?

1562
01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:58.260
Like if it was there, it would be drowned amongst all of that

1563
01:09:58.260 --> 01:09:58.859
stuff as well.

1564
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.159
There's no surefire way of getting a TV to be an event anymore

1565
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:06.720
except it's good and, you know, popular and on a streaming thing.

1566
01:10:06.779 --> 01:10:09.960
I don't know, you know, I'm saying like 20 years time.

1567
01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:14.579
People will say, oh, yeah, Star Trek, the Next Generation, and all

1568
01:10:14.579 --> 01:10:16.680
those other Star Trek shows that came after.

1569
01:10:16.739 --> 01:10:17.819
You know?

1570
01:10:17.939 --> 01:10:19.260
Yeah, maybe.

1571
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.020
I wonder if people will remember Strange New Worlds.

1572
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:22.800
You know.

1573
01:10:23.699 --> 01:10:25.500
Time will tail.

1574
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:25.859
Yeah.

1575
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:27.300
Yeah.

1576
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:28.920
But it is great.

1577
01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:30.300
It's the only one I really get.

1578
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.579
The only live action one I get excited about.

1579
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:33.720
Yeah.

1580
01:10:33.779 --> 01:10:37.140
I mean, I love discovery and discovery is in lots of ways more

1581
01:10:37.140 --> 01:10:41.100
adventurous and strangely worlds, but in lots of ways it's safer

1582
01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:41.399
too.

1583
01:10:41.460 --> 01:10:45.600
It would never do an Elysian kingdom or a subspace rhapsody in a

1584
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.100
1000000 years.

1585
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:48.899
Like that's absolutely not what it does.

1586
01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:50.279
It is very serious.

1587
01:10:50.460 --> 01:10:55.020
Um, but it also does sort of strange wacky things as well.

1588
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:55.800
I don't know.

1589
01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:57.479
Not enough.

1590
01:10:58.260 --> 01:11:00.000
Not as much.

1591
01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:00.659
Yeah.

1592
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.020
I thought that, you know, I'm quite looking forward to saying

1593
01:11:04.020 --> 01:11:06.720
goodbye to it because I think the final season's going to be

1594
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:07.020
pretty great.

1595
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.600
I was going to say something terrible then.

1596
01:11:09.659 --> 01:11:10.800
I won't.

1597
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.260
Instead, let's talk about Star Trek and DeBrian.

1598
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:17.579
All right.

1599
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:22.020
All right, here goes.

1600
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:27.060
Hey, Joe. Hi.

1601
01:11:27.180 --> 01:11:30.720
So we are for the 1st time in series.