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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back in Star Trek The Next Generation for a classic episode.

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It's series 4, episode 23.

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It's between Half a Life and the Minds I, and it's the host.

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How do you define a classic episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation?

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Well, I think just mostly it's got to be in series three, four, five, or maybe six.

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But it turns out once again, as with PowerPlay and the masterpiece society, that this actually isn't all that good.

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People remember this for the ending more than the episode itself, you know.

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Or maybe also because it introduces the trill, which obviously goes on. sort of, yeah, they do a lot of retooling before they're back.

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But it does introduce a major element that goes on to be a big part of other Star Trek shows.

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So it's so important for that reason, is weird, you know, statistically, you and I, how many next generation episodes have we done now?

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No, I'm not sure, but it's...

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We've had 2 Dr. Beverly romances in the very few that we've covered. don't think she has many.

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No, and she definitely has a type because he has the same kind of cheap romance novel hair, doesn't he?

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As, as, um, what's his face?

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I can't even remember what Ronan.

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That's right And it gets lies like, you know, I believe you have a earth custom of delivering flowers when you say goodbye romantically to some.

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I was like, oh, no one talks like this. not even enough Harper Cartland novel anyone talks like that.

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I think there's a sort of weird thing going on here.

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So I think the initial idea is that we have an alien who is a slug living inside a person, but it's the slug that's the person and the person is just like a host, hence the title.

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And then it gets handed over to Jerry Taylor to write the screenplay. bad news.

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Yeah.

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And so it does become a Beverly story.

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And someone in memory Alpha, I can't remember, but gets quoted saying it had to be a Beverly story.

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It's not a Star Trek story.

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Otherwise, it has to be about our characters.

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And so it is about Beverly's reaction to all of this.

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But it has a real strong kind of case of not being about anything, not having anything to say, and not really having a kind of coherent approach.

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Like it doesn't, doesn't know what it wants to do with all of this high concept stuff, I think.

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Does that sound fair?

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Yeah, the idea at the heart of it.

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It has potential because we know they go on and use that idea in lots of interesting ways of the host.

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You know, the one where Jansia has the host taken out of her and it goes into John Glover.

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You know, it's the idea of the worm in the belly is really interesting.

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You're right, that's not really the focus.

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We don't really learn much about that.

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We're far more interested in, you know, Dr. Beverly's heartbreak.

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Yeah, but we like we never really know why she's feeling what she's feeling, even though she spends a lot of time talking about it.

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It's a very quick declaration of love, isn't it?

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Well, I think we're assuming that they've spent weeks together.

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Three weeks.

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Three weeks.

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Yeah.

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So it's a bit quick.

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I don't know.

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It doesn't seem like a grown-up actual kind of relationship.

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And the one thing that I thought of, and this is sort of super weird, is the guy from Counterpoint and Catherine Janeway.

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And they're kind of working together.

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They're burning the midnight oil, they're drinking coffee.

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They're in her quarters.

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They're working together on a problem.

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And they have this sort of frisson. there is a sort of chemistry there.

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And that kind of relationship seems to be, even, I think we were probably a bit iffy about that as well.

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There's a kind of slightly daggy scene where she says goodbye to him in the shuttle bay and it's all a little...

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There was proper chemistry between the actors there.

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But there was chemistry there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and we were invested in that relationship.

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We love that one.

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Yeah.

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I knew this fellow was never going to stick around or this worm, you know, by the end of the episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No.

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Well, that's the show, and that's part of the problem with all of the relationships here, because this is Star Trek, and because it's a space problem show, and it isn't about the characters and their relationships, those never really change throughout the 7 years.

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And so she's not going to have a relationship that continues.

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Michael and Book can have a relationship, and that can be a grown-up relationship because now we write sex in Star Trek. with a little bit more of a kind of sophisticated grown-up approach.

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And the status quo can change and relationships can last over a long period of time.

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We just saw Penny Johnson Gerald burning Avery Brooks's Peppers in the last couple episodes, didn't we?

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And she was sitting on his lap and it was a proper sort of mature relationship with people ongoing with issues, but they love each other to pieces.

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Yeah, you ain't going to do that here.

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No.

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So any relationship in Next Generation is doomed.

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And if you think about all of the relationships that all of the characters have, they're all doomed, like they never worked out.

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Interesting, is they're not allowed to have a relationship until they're all back in Picard.

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So Riker and Troy are in a relationship, you know, that works.

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They've got children, Dr. Beverly and Picard have clearly had relations.

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Yeah.

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Picard series 3, you know.

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But I just wouldn't let them do it here, which is a shame.

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But Picard isn't a Star Trek show.

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It's just a show set in the Star Trek universe. and so it lets us do other things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is a Star Trek show.

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It's not about that at all.

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So the status quo never changes.

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And the funny thing is we were talking a little bit earlier about Strange New Worlds, and in this week's episode of Strange New Worlds, as in most of them, the previously on montage.

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He's all about the relationships between the characters, because that's the one thing it does change.

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It's still not serialised.

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It's still space problem of the week, but the relationships between the characters develop and the characters themselves are allowed to change a bit.

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That's more sophisticated.

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And it is blissful and far more satisfying than all of the other curse because of it.

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Well, I think it is perhaps the best Star Trek series since the original, I would say.

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I would disagree with that.

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Not show set within the Star Trek universe, not Star Trek show.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, in Kurtzman Trek, I love discovery because it attempts to do things that Star Trek had never done before and attempts to push it in directions that it's never been in before, but I love Strange New Worlds because it embraces everything that Star Trek and is prepared to be fun and ridiculous and silly in a way that discovery never would be, you know, or Picard never would be.

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Here, I just don't think there's enough going on to sustain the 45 minutes.

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I remember actually starting to watch it.

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Like just now I'm thinking, what the hell even happens for 45 minutes.

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I know Odan's here.

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What goes on now?

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What they could have achieved here?

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And I was never going to happen because they weren't bold enough to do it at this point is they could have given the thumbs up to bisexuality in the future.

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And, you know, a lot of people discuss this ending.

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Because halfway through the episode, you know, Jonathan Freke starts playing Odan, because the worm is in Riker's belly.

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And, yeah, Dr. Beverly has this, you know, crisis, is Zodan, you know, the shell of the person or, you know, the heart of the person, which is now inside Riker.

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She determines, you know what?

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He's my friend Will Riker, but I can absolutely see that that is Odan and I still love him and so she fucks him.

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And then the worm in a good twist, because I don't think at the time, maybe now. at the time, I don't think we thought they would go down that route of the worm would go into a woman.

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And then Dr. Beverly has a little singing at the end where she says, yeah, we're not ready for this, yeah.

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You know, the human race is not ready for, you know, a woman to like a man and a woman.

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So, you know, after change.

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I think there's also a trans kind of allegory thing happening as well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like some couples relationships don't survive when one transitions and some relationships do.

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And it seems a little bit like that.

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But I think the whole tone of the way that she plays that scene is just utterly wrong and weird.

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And like I just don't think that anyone has a coherent idea of what this episode's supposed to be saying.

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You could just be talking about Gates McFadden's acting style there.

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That's really strange and weird.

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But I mean, I've got a quote here, though.

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If you allow me.

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I usually hit these before we go into the episode because it's something that people have talked about.

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So Marvin Rush, who directed this episode, um, who's normally a, you know, a director of photography, but he did go on to direct, you know, the Thor, that weird one in Voyager.

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You know, he's a good director, he's lumber with this bullshit script.

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Marvin Wash says, most people that I've talked to thought the show worked pretty well were entertained.

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So that's, we were wrong there.

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Some commented that they were unhappy with the ending because it was left a question.

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There was or could have been a sort of homosexual aspect to it, and we chose not to go down that route with it.

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I felt that it was more about the nature of love, why we love and what presents us from loving.

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To me, the best analogy is if your beloved turned into a cockroach.

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Could you love a cockroach?

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It's the same person.

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If the person is the personality and the call within, but can you get past the outside?

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We as humans are affected by the whole package, including the outside shell, and gates in her last scene talks about maybe someday, our ability to love, and the fact that it won't be so limited.

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She says mankind may one day be able to deal with this, but I can't.

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To me, that is about the nature of love.

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And I think it's an interesting worthy discussion.

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Rather than deal with the fact that it was because of any kind of homosexual bent per se.

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I mean, the way this is phrased.

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It tells you everything you need to know.

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It's just that in our culture and our society, People who are heterosexual, who want the companionship of a male because they are female, wouldn't be able to deal with that opposite situation.

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This is somebody that has never had a dialogue with a gay or by or trans person in his life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like the analogy is what happens if your partner turns into a cockroach.

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I mean, so how do you play that?

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How are we supposed to feel about that?

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I mean, that's just such a stupid thing because none of it is like anything.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, for now, like, you're doing a trans episode.

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And someone made that comparison.

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Well, you know, it's like if you turned into a cockroach.

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I mean, it would be so bad.

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But I don't know how to feel about any of this.

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Like, what is it analogous to, what's it about?

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Like, it doesn't resonate because it's not like anything.

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Like, how am I supposed to feel about this?

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You know, it's ridiculous, I think.

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And what they choose to do eventually with the trill is they move, so this is all about the body, really.

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What they choose to do is to sort of lean into the psychology of it.

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Are you the sum of your parts or are you the person you are now, you know, or, you know, Dax's serial killer, ex-host, you know, turning her violent nowadays?

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stuff that's quite interesting to deal with. you know, psychology is interesting.

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But this is all about the biology of the worm going from person to person or Dr. Bev trying to figure out, is this the person I fell in love with in 3 weeks?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's a mess.

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I actually think there are some bits that are slightly successful and gesture towards something, but just basically, I don't know what to make of it.

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To say that, you know, when I was watching it, I did really enjoy the cheese.

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I think I may, yeah, I've been watching a lot of soap lately and we've talked about this in DS9 episodes.

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You know, so when you do have these, you know, agonising long looks at each other, you know, and, oh, just kiss me now, you know.

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I love all that shit.

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It's terrible telling.

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It is really bad. terrible.

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This is all like murder she wrote, level TV.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, let's go watch something, shall we?

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Yeah, that's it with that ringing endorsement in our ears.

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I'm going to count us in.

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I will say I'm still unconvinced that Star Trek the Next Generation is a good television show, all right?

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Well, no, fair enough.

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All right.

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I don't get kerosine.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Just hoping one day it all just clicks into place and I'm like, oh, yes, this is just show I fell in love with.

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Okay, so this is Beverly's log.

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And she has 3 things, none of which are particularly interesting.

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Wesley is still around.

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Uh, why is, where's Wesley?

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No, no, no, he's off for the Academy.

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But he's finally writing her letters.

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And meanwhile, I've been boning this guy.

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Now, I have to say, I have to say that higher definition does the makeup absolutely no favours at all.

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Oh, no.

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We get a latex alien later who rags very high on the Beaumont scale.

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And I was like, I wish I couldn't see that hideous makeup quite so clearly.

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So, so, so the thing that, um, that Odan has, and I wonder whether they tone it down in later scenes, but he's got this thing under his nose, which is maybe meant to make his nose a little bit more like uh, like Bem's nose, a little bit more like a dog's nose or something.

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And it's really distracting because you can see the edge of the latex in close up really very clearly.

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And then he's got this forehead thing.

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And it is this sort of leonine look that Ronan has as well with the sort of slightly long hair and the high forehead and stuff.

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So that's Beverly's type, I've decided.

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She's into the new romantics, you know.

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Have you noticed that there's no spots?

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There's none of the trill spots that we get later.

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No, nothing.

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And they did try and fit that hideous makeup to Terry Farrell where because there are pictures of her with that horrible sort of forehead makeup and then they just looked at her and went, why have you made this stunningly beautiful woman that we brought in to play this role looks so hideous.

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And obviously we get rid of the the stomach protruding the way it does in this as well because we can't be having that every week.

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No.

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So it's only doing that here for the end of the teaser effect, isn't it?

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What's wrong with Beverly Squeeze?

214
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Well, that's right.

215
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You know how I always say the big thing that look at the latest stomach as well.

216
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Like, look how bad.

217
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Look at the latex belly button and like you can see the sort of seam where his trousers are as if it's stitched on.

218
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It's really terrible.

219
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It must have looked great.

220
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You know what I thought?

221
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I thought...

222
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Not at the time, but I thought, do you know what?

223
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If someone might watch this and think, it's the return of those aliens from series one.

224
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Because they, directly, their tummies protruded like that. and they play it kind of like horror.

225
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He's a nice hairy chest, though, this guy.

226
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Yeah, I miss you and said there is some very strange sort of horror music running throughout the 1st half of this episode where I'm like, are we supposed to fear this man?

227
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Yeah, yeah, but that's what it looks like. isn't it?

228
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What we didn't mention is the way that data was inadvertently cock blocking them and the way that Beverly tries to get rid of him.

229
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Yeah. and yeah, because they clearly want a bone and he's he wants to do analysis or something.

230
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They are very good at those scenes in the next generation, you know, because I can remember in later seasons where Picard's trying to get out of things, you know, and they're all thinking up to dreadful excuses so he doesn't have to see Admiral Nachev or go to Captain Picard's day and things like this.

231
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Yeah.

232
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But I kind of think, do you think that, so when Picard, sorry.

233
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So when data kind of comes back in Picard, he suddenly realises, hey, you were just kind of trying to divert me because he wanted to root all those times, do you think like he kind of realised how they were kind of manipulating him all this time?

234
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I think it's his naivety that is appealing.

235
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You know, that sort of childlike nature of data.

236
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So that's what we love doing in the 1st place.

237
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Yeah, yeah.

238
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Yeah, it is kind of cute, but it's very boring now.

239
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Compared to what we're getting. boring.

240
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The same shit of shit. shit.

241
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The same ship.

242
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Oh my god.

243
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The same shot of the enterprise zooming past the credits.

244
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Yeah, well, that's what we got in the 60s and now we have what we get in Strange New Worlds with the same speech, you know, and some Mount Doom speech. one of those amazing Kurtzman credits that we get.

245
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Oh, beautiful.

246
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Okay.

247
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So here we are.

248
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It's the host.

249
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It looks like a the opening shot of an episode of Lower Decks.

250
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Now, we do need to point out that Gates McFadden is heavily pregnant in this episode.

251
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And there are some glorious moments where people stand in front of her to disguise the fact that she is.

252
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So she's, see, I can't see that thing on his nose in this scene.

253
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Like I think it's there.

254
00:18:36.539 --> 00:18:38.039
No, no, no, I think it's gone.

255
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It's not as obvious.

256
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I don't know.

257
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I don't know.

258
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So she's massively, massively pregnant with her son James, who is now 32 or something like that, and we've already talked about now our visitor's pregnancy bump, who is now a very attractive young man as well.

259
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So oh, 10 days ago, they met 10 days ago.

260
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Very quick to have fallen in love, isn't it?

261
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But like it, I don't know, maybe I think it took you and me at least a month, you know.

262
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That's right.

263
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Do you know, there's a quote from Gates McFadden, you know, our memory alpha where she wishes that Crusher's 1st romantic episode would have been put off until after her pregnancy.

264
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She's sweaty and pregnant and she...

265
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She just sort of got a nice glow about it, isn't she?

266
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Yeah.

267
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They actually say that in the dialogue as well?

268
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Doesn't doesn't Deanna say that...

269
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It's the astringent.

270
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It's astringent.

271
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That's right.

272
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That's actually a line that's really kind of funny.

273
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I actually quite like that where Troy realises, oh, what's going on there?

274
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See, and this is, this is kind of okay because, like, it's over the top and it's cheesy and absurd and, like, kissing the inside.

275
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Do you remember Deanna on that boring fella from the masterpiece society?

276
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

277
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I mean, this is hot as hell in comparison.

278
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Yeah, but she just gets her leg over one night sort of thing.

279
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I don't know, we talked about that relationship.

280
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This guy's quite charming.

281
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He's quite funny.

282
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You know, he's, he's, he's clearly enjoying life a bit.

283
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That fellow from the masterpiece society did not enjoy life.

284
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No, no.

285
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Yeah.

286
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So, oh, dear.

287
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So here we are.

288
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I'm watching that high def, personally, are you watching all that?

289
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There are 3 beautifully rendered planets there.

290
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One that looks very like the earth, I must say.

291
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Well, and the one of the moons looks a bit like the earth.

292
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Here she is.

293
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This is the planet.

294
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Yeah.

295
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.519
So what I think is really funny.

296
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You watch Deanna, because these 2 come in from opposite, you know, they deliberately come in from opposite doors of the observation lounge.

297
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They kind of talk.

298
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Then everyone sits down and Deanna's clearly kind of going, those 2 have been fucking.

299
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I can just sense it from their emotions.

300
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And she does a little reaction, which I just think is super fun.

301
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You watch her when she sits down.

302
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I love those ships on the walls in season one. didn't they after four?

303
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Seriously.

304
00:21:11.339 --> 00:21:12.839
Yeah, yeah, they're not in.

305
00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.039
Yeah, look, there's Diana.

306
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She knows what's going on.

307
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You know, I feel sorry for this address.

308
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Not only because she's been given that strange hat that looks like an enormous penis on her head.

309
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She's got an extra nose.

310
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Above her other nose.

311
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Just hideous makeup that makes her look horrible.

312
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And then she's stuck.

313
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Scale 7.

314
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I think.

315
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Oh, you think?

316
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I think that might be 85.

317
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Eight, eight, five, five, at least.

318
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She's also playing this, you know, deathly serious role with space dialogue.

319
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And so she has no fun in this role at all.

320
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No.

321
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I think, so there is something about this that I kind of like.

322
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There are a few Star Trek, the Next Generation episodes that are about taking ambassadors places.

323
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Aren't they, where our job is to take ambassadors' places, and we were talking about loud as a whisper in series 2 just before we started recording.

324
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But I think this one is so fabulously generic.

325
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It is generic.

326
00:22:14.819 --> 00:22:21.180
It's it's like Cupid's errant arrow and the people have mixed us 2 and mixed us three.

327
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Remember arguing about the environmental things on the moons.

328
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That's all I can think of that that's what this is making fun of.

329
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You couldn't generate any interest in this at all.

330
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No.

331
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I was like, please, take me back to the cheese.

332
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Yeah.

333
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So in the price where, which is another romance episode where Deanna's boning that car...

334
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Oh, recently.

335
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:52.619
By accident, and that is about something interesting, you know, it's about an interesting space thing.

336
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.880
It's not just about a sort of They're negotiating.

337
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:58.980
They're negotiating for this wormhole, aren't they?

338
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And you've got the guy that Troy is boning and Riker trying to outdo each other.

339
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.640
And then Troy's in the mix because Riker still clearly fancies it.

340
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.559
So there's so much interest going on there.

341
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:15.839
I don't think this is, apart from the fact that he is the ambassador that's going to go along and sort all their problems out.

342
00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.460
That's the only link, isn't it?

343
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:24.299
Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing is the that that job makes him necessary.

344
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But it's the thing you text me earlier today.

345
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.619
Why don't they send the team?

346
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:30.299
Yeah.

347
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.599
Something always happens to the ambassador, doesn't it?

348
00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:34.019
Yes.

349
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:41.759
They have a sort of great man of history thing about ambassadors, you know, before revun, there was no Klingon word for peacemaker, remember?

350
00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.519
It's like they're rock star ambassadors.

351
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:53.099
I don't think there's enough scenes between Dr. Beverly and Counsellor Troy, just having downtime, you know, because even though the dialogue is pretty ripe.

352
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:59.279
I believe the relationship, I actually have a really good relationship, you know?

353
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:02.099
But I think Gates is pretty great in this too.

354
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:16.319
So, because there's a subtext of this conversation about, um, her being in love, it's a thing, like, she, she, I don't, I don't, at least not very often, you know, she says, oh, you should treat yourself sometimes.

355
00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.319
And it's clearly about you should have sex occasionally.

356
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.259
You know, especially when you haven't done so in a while.

357
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.400
Do you know what I mean?

358
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:28.380
Like, that's the subtext, which I think is sort of cute and a little bit unlike Star Trek.

359
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.079
It doesn't really do subtext during this era.

360
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:37.380
But I'll tell you how far we've sort of come on, because Dr. Beverly is a bit embarrassed by the fact that they're talking about boning, isn't she?

361
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.099
Whereas yeah, you skip forward away in a warrior and Dax is like, come on.

362
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:46.740
We're going to go on the holiday and we're going to fuck these amazing looking men and Kira's like, right, let's go.

363
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.720
So this was your glowing.

364
00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:54.059
And there was that little moment where Deanna says, I don't think it's a secret that you're in love and she goes, what?

365
00:24:54.119 --> 00:25:05.700
And I was kind of expecting the 7 of 9 thing, you know, everyone on deck 34 knows that you're boning, you know, oh, done or whatever. 7 up 9 can make a passive aggression, sexual reference on a dime.

366
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.339
Yeah.

367
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.619
But when was the last time we saw this?

368
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:11.819
It was in...

369
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:13.859
Oh, no, they had us.

370
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.059
Did they have a scene in Genesis?

371
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:17.339
Or was it in...

372
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.140
We haven't seen.

373
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.119
Oh, did they have a scene inside Broso?

374
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:24.420
Yeah, I think they were in their leotards and she was saying to her.

375
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:25.319
That's in the prize.

376
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.180
I'm having the most erotic dreams.

377
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.279
Oh, yeah. my grandmother's novels.

378
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:30.599
Yeah, yuck.

379
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.980
My grandmother's diaries.

380
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:34.799
Oh, dear.

381
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.599
Well, and we've discussed this, haven't we?

382
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:39.960
The one shot romances and just why this doesn't work.

383
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:45.359
No, we can't work in this show just because they're not going to begin. are uninvestable because of the nature of the show.

384
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:46.319
Yeah.

385
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:50.819
But I think Gates, like this is Gates more like Gates.

386
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:51.359
Look at that.

387
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:52.140
Look at her smile.

388
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.460
She's beautiful.

389
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.900
You know, and she's kind of boring as the doctor, but when she's given something else to do.

390
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.559
She's actually pretty great and that's what we saw in Picard.

391
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:04.079
When she has to chill out, that's when she's fun.

392
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.900
Yeah, she's teaching data to dance and stuff like that.

393
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.480
Yeah, that's the problem with this whole show.

394
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.059
Everyone has a massive stick up there, Bart.

395
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.240
And it's, you know, we don't have that on Strange New Worlds.

396
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:16.500
Everyone's chilled and relaxed.

397
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.640
We don't really have it on Deep Space 9, even though it's from the same era as this.

398
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:23.339
Stocking of stick up butts.

399
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.359
Here's Captain Picard.

400
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:25.259
Yeah.

401
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:28.019
Although he has a sort of weird moment here.

402
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.099
Yeah, yeah.

403
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.240
Yeah.

404
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:33.900
And like even when Riker is playing Odarn.

405
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.500
Like Odarn is more relaxed than the Starfleet crew.

406
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:48.539
And Riker's kind of body language, which is, you know, he's very upright and stuff, but he also, you know, is always putting his foot on the chair and all of that sort of stuff.

407
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.200
But he really relaxes when he's playing Odarn.

408
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.279
I thought that was, I mean, I thought that was a pretty good turn.

409
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.900
I could see a difference between how he characterises Rikers.

410
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:01.319
Yes.

411
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:05.759
But what I couldn't see was the theme that makes O'Darn.

412
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:13.079
You see, the thing is that for this to work, Riker and Odarn have to visibly be the same person.

413
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.059
And I don't think they are at all.

414
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.460
It's just Riker plays it different.

415
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:21.839
When the woman comes in in the last scene and she sort of walks away.

416
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.400
I'm seeing the same moton from the beginning there, isn't that the language?

417
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:31.920
Yeah, I think she does a better job of being this guy than Riker does.

418
00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:37.980
It would be so much more interesting if instead of Riker, it had been the woman during that segment of the episode.

419
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.460
And Dr. Beverly choosing to be with the woman.

420
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.079
That would have been just amazing.

421
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:50.519
Yeah, I mean, they were too cowardly to do that, you know, and it's network TV in the 1990s. and I was going to look this up.

422
00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:54.000
There were gay characters in fucking network television in the 19th.

423
00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:55.019
They just didn't want to...

424
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.819
There is a quote on memory alpha, that the merest hint of homosexuality and, you know, there were complaints.

425
00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.859
Rick Burman was, yeah, after...

426
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:03.359
It's a kiss on the hand, you know?

427
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:04.200
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:08.640
But then again, you know, you skip forward to rejoins, they can do it in 90s trek.

429
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.279
Yeah, but again, that's pretty low stakes.

430
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:13.559
It's 2 beautiful women kissing and stuff like that.

431
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:18.660
It's like the least offensive Kind of homosexuality you can do on television.

432
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.819
Judging at Dax and the poor queen.

433
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.900
Yeah, yeah.

434
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.940
So Do you know the HD does no favour to Data's foundation?

435
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.339
No, I can see it flaky.

436
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.500
He's got lots of blocked paws.

437
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.640
So I'm wondering maybe we should keep DS line away from HD.

438
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:36.839
Yeah, yeah.

439
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.819
There's a latex in there.

440
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.660
There's plenty of HD Star Trek to watch, if that's what you want to watch.

441
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:45.359
We could keep this standard definition.

442
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:47.099
Do you remember in Sub Rosa?

443
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:52.019
Obviously, Bentley Crusher's having the time of her life, you know, all gusting all over the place.

444
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.880
And then you've got scenes with Picard.

445
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.700
It just seems overtly serious and stiff.

446
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.200
I feel like the same thing happens in this episode, every time we come back to Picard.

447
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:03.660
I'm like, man, you need to chill out a bit in your world.

448
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.700
Yeah, well he's all work here.

449
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:13.380
I think there is something interesting in the scene that he has with Beverly in his ready room later.

450
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.440
I think that there's something interesting going on there, I think.

451
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.680
It's like, again, it's not until you get to like Picard.

452
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:21.240
And I know we're 20 years later.

453
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:25.859
TV's come on. and they've nurtured their relationships offscreen in the interim.

454
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.539
But it's just so relaxed between the pool and believable, you know?

455
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:37.319
But remember these people are their jobs in this show and in Picard, their people.

456
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.640
They're not their jobs.

457
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:39.839
Absolutely not.

458
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:43.319
That's why I had a strange reaction to series 3 opening up.

459
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:44.519
I was like who are these people?

460
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.019
Yeah, that's right.

461
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:47.279
Yeah, yeah.

462
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:48.539
And you get hints of it.

463
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.559
You do get hints of it.

464
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:51.539
And they do relax towards the end of the run.

465
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.640
So this is the thing that doesn't stay, isn't it?

466
00:29:56.700 --> 00:30:01.380
So trills can't transport here and they have latex stomachs.

467
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.339
Okay, that was clever.

468
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:08.099
That was a, that was a shot straight up with her, her robe clothes, her medical robe.

469
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.140
Yes, that wasn't too bad.

470
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.700
That was that was not too bad.

471
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.339
We missed a bit where Patrick Stewart stands in front of her.

472
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.819
I hope not.

473
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.500
I think it's a bit later.

474
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.640
But she does start wearing this blue jacket over her.

475
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:28.440
Much like Roxanne does when she's pregnant during the Runner Voyager and she has that jacket with the tools in it.

476
00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:31.259
What side with Roxanne is they do write her out of a lot.

477
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.640
She doesn't get a lot to do in that season.

478
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.920
Well, 7's just come in as well.

479
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:40.920
So they've got a new female character that can sort of give, because heaven forbid we have 2 female characters getting a lot of attention.

480
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.740
So funny, isn't it?

481
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.220
Think about strangely worlds and the majority female cast.

482
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.079
Except Nurser Gower's face.

483
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.059
She's like, geez, that latex looks shit.

484
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.619
Yeah, yeah.

485
00:30:52.680 --> 00:31:01.019
Well, it's this shot up his nose where you can see like they've given him kind of wrinkles in the thing above his eye, like below his eyebrows.

486
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:01.619
It looks terrible.

487
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.000
Do you know that later?

488
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:04.380
My lover stomach did that.

489
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.700
It would put me right off.

490
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.619
Yeah, yeah.

491
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:13.500
Yeah, so, so this is the big reveal.

492
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:18.599
And it's the 1st use the word joined to describe them. and symbient.

493
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:19.680
Yep, yeah.

494
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:23.640
And they do say at one point, we'll contact the trill.

495
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.900
So they know of the trill.

496
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:29.640
Yeah, but they only know, they don't know very much about the trill.

497
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.660
So none of them know this.

498
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:41.880
Which makes no sense later on when you learn the curves of Dax was responsible for, you know, the Klingon peace treaty, the Federation.

499
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

500
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.940
But, you know, like, okay, so maybe they don't know the trill very well, but there's one rock star trill.

501
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.319
Another rock star ambassador, you know, who can do anything. you know?

502
00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:54.119
Apparently he went around having a lot of sex as well.

503
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:03.119
Maybe that's just a quirk of the job, you know, you get to go all these fabulous starships and chat all the ladies and have sex with them.

504
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.779
Yeah, so now that Odar is dead.

505
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:15.000
And I just, again, so there are things that don't survive.

506
00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:16.140
Are there, aren't they?

507
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.839
And so obviously the makeup is different.

508
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.299
The transporter thing is different.

509
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:30.779
And the other thing that's different is that the personality is in the slug octopus thing.

510
00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:32.819
Yes. and not in the host.

511
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:36.240
And I think they change... do.

512
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:38.940
It's a conjoining of the 2 personalities in the end.

513
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.799
But why do they change it, do you think?

514
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:55.500
I think probably that this is slightly icky, and there's something a little bit awful about Kareel reporting for duty with that flat voice in order to just be completely taken over by Odarn.

515
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:06.779
So it's like the hosts are like slaves or they don't have any because Riker's completely suppressed when he's when the host, when he's hosting Odarn.

516
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.880
There's no Riker there, it's just Odarn.

517
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:10.680
It's not a, you know.

518
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:14.579
And so there's a kind of slavery thing or something.

519
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.940
Yeah, explicitly stated, is it?

520
00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:19.380
No, no, no, no, no, no.

521
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:24.839
But there is something like exploiting these people. is very monotonous.

522
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.180
And then all of a sudden she's emoting in the last scene.

523
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.039
Yeah, that's right.

524
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.220
And so, and what's more interesting.

525
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:38.220
And because as well, this episode wants so done to be the same person all the way along for the 3 hosts.

526
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.079
For this to work, it's like, how is Beverly going to cope having a relationship with these 3 different people?

527
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.279
Where at?

528
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:47.640
If it was a mixture of the two, then it would be a unique person each time.

529
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.720
Yes, that's right.

530
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:54.299
And she'd say, well, I'm not in love with you because you're, you know, William O'Donn or, you know, whatever.

531
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.220
God, look at that puppet.

532
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.140
What they take away eventually is.

533
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.480
You know, it's a bit...

534
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:00.900
What is it?

535
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:03.960
You know, kind of scary way.

536
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:06.960
No, no, I don't need to see a doctor.

537
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:07.380
Don't worry.

538
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.360
Why is it got a blue ring octopus thing happening?

539
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.460
Yeah, they lose all of that as well.

540
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.059
That sort of, you know, that magma effect. at the end there.

541
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.659
It's just a worm come DS9.

542
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.019
Yeah.

543
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:20.699
It doesn't even pulp something.

544
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:29.219
But what they go for in the end is that the host comes in and it does sort of attempt to dominate, like Jad See, yeah.

545
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:34.199
And then what it does is it accentuates her positive character strengths.

546
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:38.099
So the 2 come together and, you know, she's just, it actually's amazing, you know?

547
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.659
But it's also the opposite.

548
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.380
You know, like only the very best people get to be joined.

549
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.380
Only the very most with how well now I know.

550
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.579
That's the secret, yeah.

551
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:47.880
Yeah.

552
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:48.300
Yeah.

553
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.840
Yeah.

554
00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:51.239
But not everyone does get to be joined.

555
00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:52.440
Yeah.

556
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.239
Asary Dax does, you know.

557
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.699
She doesn't want it, but no.

558
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:11.760
Well, that's a 2nd, um, that's the 1st trill joining that happens as a result of an accident because of course Adira becomes, um, Tal's host through that accident that happens to Gray.

559
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:27.900
See, that's another thing too, because again, here's the trill in an episode that is about identity and about belonging and about love in a much, much more interesting way than the host is.

560
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.440
That episode, is it, but to connect?

561
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:41.579
Maybe, which had Adira and Gray go to the trill home world, and it uses the trill in an interesting way to say something.

562
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:47.340
And the whole episode is about connecting and belonging and finding a place to be.

563
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.760
And a deer finds a place where they can be where they can belong.

564
00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:55.980
Do you know what I mean, among all of those other hosts?

565
00:35:56.219 --> 00:36:00.480
And it's very beautiful in a way that is very cheesy.

566
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:05.880
Well, then I think rejoined is very moving as well and uses the premise.

567
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:12.780
And I think a lot of it is down to the acting in rejoice. because they're just such strong performers and the relationship feels very real.

568
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:19.139
You see, Riker's got the hairy chest that Odan had the previous Odan.

569
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.579
He's like showing off now, isn't he?

570
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:21.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

571
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.519
He kind of like, I've still got the hairy chase off.

572
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:24.900
This poor woman on the screen.

573
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.760
I do feel for it.

574
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.380
Yeah.

575
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:35.340
It's the sort of the opposite of, you remember when I said with Louise Fletcher and she gets that fabulous tea caddy and she's like, oh, let me wear it.

576
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.239
I'll embody it.

577
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:39.239
This woman's going, oh, I got to wear this hat, honestly.

578
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.760
For it.

579
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:46.679
Your costume's hanging up in the wardrobe just there, you know, we'll see you in 10 minutes.

580
00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:48.599
Bless her.

581
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:49.739
Paul Wolf hasn't done anything.

582
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:57.420
No, this is his turn to get just sort of shout out the occasional line about the shields, I think.

583
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:01.380
And who knows what all those extras are doing on the back consoles?

584
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.260
Yeah, yeah, they're just pressing for vital work.

585
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.300
The functioning of the enterprise.

586
00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:10.139
So do you not think he's a bit creepy now?

587
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.780
though, the way he just sort of stares at her a lot and he's quite insistent, isn't he?

588
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.380
Well, except that they're just not talking about it.

589
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:20.219
Do you know what I mean?

590
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:25.139
Like, they've been in this relationship and, you know, it was very quick and whatever, but it was fun.

591
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.699
They were having fun and stuff like that.

592
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.539
And then suddenly she's not talking to him anymore and he doesn't quite know why.

593
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.880
And he hasn't done anything wrong.

594
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.719
And so she can't be a grown-up about it.

595
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:38.099
Like, he's right.

596
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.000
Why is she not talking to him about this?

597
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:43.800
And he is leering a bit, I guess.

598
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:46.980
You know, like it would have been okay for...

599
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.420
This is new for me.

600
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.920
I don't quite understand.

601
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.199
But he's saying, well, that's new to me. don't get it either.

602
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:59.460
And I think there's some sort of slight bullshit here. where, oh, you didn't mention it to anyone.

603
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.440
He says, well, no, that's normal for me.

604
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:04.559
I'm just a joined thing and that's what all my people are.

605
00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:06.239
It's kind of yeah, but you've met other people.

606
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.460
I mean, like you know that not everyone's joined.

607
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.019
What's why not mention it?

608
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.960
What I would probably do if I was in Odan situation.

609
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:19.079
I can't believe I'm going to say this. is I would probably say to her, 1st of all, like, how do you feel about this?

610
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:22.260
At the start of this scene, he is just leering at her.

611
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.380
Then he tries to, he's trying to touch her hands and it's not the same person she's been having a relationship with, like, you know.

612
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:36.119
Well, but it is as far as he's concerned, but I think because this is what, 1991, I want to say, or something around about then.

613
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:39.480
And there is a kind of weirdness.

614
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.320
Like I found myself on edge about how consent was working here.

615
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:44.280
Do you know what I mean?

616
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:55.019
And the thing where, does he, she come into his quarters and stuff and he says, you, if you're going to leave, you really need to leave. not leaving.

617
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.559
So there's something very cute about this, but I don't know what it's about.

618
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:08.219
So I'm firstly, I'm absolutely massively distracted by how much fucking makeup they put Gates in.

619
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.579
She's got so much culture on, isn't she?

620
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.179
Yeah, it's because she looks like death because she's about to give birth.

621
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:16.260
Maybe.

622
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.679
Throw some slap on her, quick, we can't shoot her like this.

623
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:31.679
But she's actually, she's selling this cheesy speech, and I love the detail of huge breathtaking metal sculptures, and I don't know what the story is.

624
00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:40.440
Part of the problem, I think, is both of these are stories about how they want men to protect them and worship them and stuff.

625
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:41.400
I don't understand.

626
00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.619
It's very kind of...

627
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:44.460
Deanna talks about it.

628
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.880
Yeah, dad put in his arms around her making her feel safe.

629
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:51.900
Yeah, yeah, it does relate to Beverly's story as well.

630
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.639
But yeah, again, it's 1991 and it's a very...

631
00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:08.940
And in fact, I do think that Deanna speech is beautiful because it is my father died and I never got to experience that from him again, but that's not happened to you.

632
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.800
Like, Odan's not dead.

633
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:11.940
You can go over there.

634
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.659
He's there.

635
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.659
You know, it's, it's amazing.

636
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:22.019
This is the only speech, in fact, for the Beverly speech that even approaches what the episode should be about, isn't it?

637
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.179
He's had his face.

638
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:25.320
I see my friend.

639
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.000
Yeah, what did I love?

640
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:28.980
Like, you know?

641
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.960
And that's a good question.

642
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:33.239
If they really examined that in a relationship.

643
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.380
What is it that you love?

644
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.400
Is it how someone looks?

645
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:36.420
Is it how they behave?

646
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:37.619
Yeah.

647
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.139
But because they can't have real proper dialogue between lovers, you know, they can't just talk normally.

648
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.440
You know, think about how Book and Michael talk to one another.

649
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:49.079
Like, they're not constantly talking about their feelings for each other.

650
00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:50.880
No one touches my peppers.

651
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:51.659
Okay.

652
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.400
That says more, that one line than this entire episode.

653
00:40:56.460 --> 00:40:57.360
Yeah.

654
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:07.800
And the weird, creepy way comes in the room now and stares at her for the entire length of this dialogue scene.

655
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:14.880
And then when she turns around, he's just and the camera sort of slowly goes in on him, just staring at her in a creepy way.

656
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:19.860
So do you know the the Twitter account Riker Googling?

657
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:36.059
where it's various, so, it's just various webs, like, it's, the thing is, imagine Riker is typing into the Twitter input box by accident instead of the Google box, instead of the Google input box.

658
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.340
And so we see all of the things that Riker Googles.

659
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.900
It's really, really funny.

660
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:46.500
And it uses as its avatar that shot of Riker looking yearningly across 10 foot.

661
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.900
I dreamt of saying what Riker would Google actually, given some of the stuff he gets so funny.

662
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:59.639
If Twitter is still a going concern when we finish recording, you should go and have a look for it.

663
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:04.139
The psychological ramifications of being turned into a simian.

664
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.880
It's very funny.

665
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.260
It is very good.

666
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.519
You could have a lot of fun with it, actually.

667
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.659
Like that thing there is almost a good speech.

668
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.139
And again, I can feel the connection between the 2 characters here.

669
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:19.920
Yeah.

670
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.920
But again, like, let's think Bechdel test.

671
00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:35.099
You know, the 2 of them have only ever talked about this man when they've been together, you know, like, and the Bechdail test is obviously a sort of blunt instrument for this sort of thing, but it does capture something here.

672
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.920
There are only 2 female characters with names.

673
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:39.179
Close-up.

674
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:40.800
It goes on forever.

675
00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:46.380
And the music is, it swells. traumatic degree. wonderful.

676
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:58.559
It's really funny because I was kind of listening to the music play into the into the ad breaks and stuff and just being sort of super annoyed by that.

677
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:04.679
But just how cheesy and strings and synth pipe and stuff is what you said.

678
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:08.760
You know, the music is so cheesily romantic.

679
00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:10.679
Send you that scene, you made it on the chat.

680
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.719
Just so you can hear again.

681
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:13.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:14.400
So funny.

683
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:15.960
The dreadful music.

684
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.400
Oh, yeah.

685
00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:18.239
Do you know what, right?

686
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:20.579
You can't give you a quote from Brannan Bragger.

687
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.500
He's got something to say about this episode, you know.

688
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:28.920
He characterised the genesis of this episode as the most repulsive story ever pitched to us.

689
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:35.340
It doesn't go into any more detail than that, but he adds, being in love with somebody is not very fresh.

690
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:40.559
Having it, the parasite as a host is, it was not originally pitched as a love story.

691
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.340
It was pitched as a squirmy worm who's really the intelligence.

692
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.260
So this is Jerry Taylor.

693
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.760
Jerry Taylor has added the love story.

694
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:52.860
Yeah, but she's right to do it because there's nothing here otherwise.

695
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.059
Do you know what I mean?

696
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:54.840
Like who cares?

697
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:59.760
He's an ambassador to people from the planet Zog. to prevent them from killing one another?

698
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:00.780
We really don't care.

699
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.000
So the love story is the only thing that keeps us going.

700
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:09.659
But Jerry Taylor can't ring anything interesting out of the love story.

701
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.519
Can I say the disinterest with which these 2 gentlemen play these alien characters?

702
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.760
They may as well be the Beaumont in this scene.

703
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:24.659
Where, yeah, but it's sort of, it's cheesy and boring and it's the usual backstory thing, isn't it?

704
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:40.920
The one thing that is interesting is the conceit that they think that Odan was his, like the previous ambassador who solved their problems was this guy's father when it turns out it was just his previous host.

705
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:50.880
And that reinforces the idea that the hosts, like, that Odan's hosts are men, you know, that he comes from a series of men.

706
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:55.739
And so that does help to sell the twist, that it's a woman at the end.

707
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.579
I'm seeing this without, obviously, I'm not hearing the dialogue while we're doing the commentary.

708
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.800
And he is playing it very differently.

709
00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:09.239
I know there's a relaxedness to Rike it usually, but it doesn't normally lean back in his chair like that. with his hair flopping over his face.

710
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:11.579
And he's, yeah, his hair's different.

711
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.539
His legs are more open, like he's just a little bit more kind of chill.

712
00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:22.619
And he's also got that sort of terrible sallow makeup because they're trying to sell that he's unwell.

713
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:26.699
Costume designers on the Next Generation won awards for their work.

714
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.500
I hope it was in this episode.

715
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.860
I think it was the Klingon stuff.

716
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.639
That's what won the awards. hats aren't terrible, aren't they?

717
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:43.199
Yeah, I actually kind of like the angry guy, like angry guy in the green outfit.

718
00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:43.980
I think he's pretty great.

719
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:50.820
I am completely obsessed with the trivia that I learn on memory alpha.

720
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:57.300
Do you know, this is the only episode of Next Generation where an officer on the bridge asks the computer what the time is.

721
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.820
Yes, we'll see it later, I think.

722
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:04.199
I think it might be Picard who does it. can't remember. somebody has spent time in their life.

723
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:06.300
Writing out that sentence on memory alpha.

724
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.139
Yeah, yeah.

725
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.119
No, look, those things that we have to be grateful for the memory are for people.

726
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:15.300
This is an entire, we don't have to worry about Star Trek.

727
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.260
Well, that I would have just never have dreamed possible.

728
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:40.739
The 1st thing I ever saw on the internet, my friend Matthew showed me a Star Trek the Next Generation program guide in postscript that we were able to print out on a laser printer and I had in a binder and it had cast and crew and synopsis and trivia of every single episode.

729
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.960
It was the 1st thing that I ever used the internet for way back in like 1993 or something.

730
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.539
You may have peed with the Internet there, you know.

731
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:49.679
That may have been your opinion.

732
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:51.480
It might have been.

733
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:59.820
Now it's just full of tosses talking about science fiction TV shows, I think. as you know.

734
00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:03.780
Oh, there was a great quote from Jonathan Breaks here.

735
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.320
Look, the episode had to be shot in such a way that we couldn't see her stomach.

736
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.440
They would not address the fact that the actress was pregnant.

737
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.699
It was an interesting problem.

738
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:19.199
You really found yourself more concerned with hiding her with furniture or with your body and shooting her from the boobs up.

739
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:23.519
It was very, because it was a very just restrictive way of directing.

740
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.920
Yeah, well, he's starting to think like a director, I think, at this point, isn't he?

741
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:33.900
I guess, being in these scenes and having to kind of shoot around her.

742
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.320
Yeah, see, that scene was slightly interesting.

743
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.579
Interesting problem.

744
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:39.360
Sorry, which scene?

745
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:48.300
Well, doesn't he say, please let me touch you and she says, no, and then leaves, you know, and yeah, like, at least he's asking.

746
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.739
He's asking.

747
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.619
It's all kind of consensual and stuff and he is careful.

748
00:47:52.679 --> 00:48:02.940
And, you know, perhaps that's more progressive than other TV at the time, but it still comes across as a little bit awkward and, you know, kind of treading on the line a bit.

749
00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:09.000
I can't help but notice you and I have talked very little about the subplot on the alien planet.

750
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.360
Yeah, because there's nothing to it, is there?

751
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.219
Like, it's just there.

752
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.940
We need a reason to keep Odan alive.

753
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:23.760
We need a reason to transplant him into Riker, and it's because this job needs to be done.

754
00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:29.639
That's got to be the crisis and then the trill get delayed or whatever.

755
00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:37.079
And the, that plot allows the crisis to happen by having some dissident, you know, fire on the shuttle or whatever.

756
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.320
So this is the old but she's here, right?

757
00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:47.760
So we cut between Odan's quarters, where he's thinking about Dr. Beverly and Dr. Beverly's quarters, where she's thinking about...

758
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:59.219
And then, you know, it sort of ramps up and ramps up, then she comes flying through his doors, and he's like, if you're going to go, go now, because I really want to kiss you, and she goes, I am not leaving.

759
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.119
I'm going.

760
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:05.460
I think I've seen that on murder she wrote, you know, a couple of times.

761
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:10.199
Yeah, and the stupid replicator doesn't even make balso, Tommy, tonic, for God's sake.

762
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:10.800
What's wrong?

763
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:14.219
I do wonder if Jerry Taylor's had a romance, you know, if it's been like this.

764
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:19.199
But look at the, like, or maybe she reads lots of, like, I read romance novels.

765
00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:21.239
I'll admit it.

766
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:23.039
But like hot gay ones, I hope.

767
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:24.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.760
Yeah, I'm not reading heterosexual stuff that's so played.

769
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:28.679
But...

770
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:37.139
I tried recently, you know, I got a chapter and I was like, no, I can't do this.

771
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:38.280
No, I'm done.

772
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:38.820
Yeah.

773
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.079
Yeah.

774
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.780
Oh here we go.

775
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.059
And Paul Frakes and McFadden.

776
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.039
They must have been like, how are we gonna play this?

777
00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

778
00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:51.119
Well, I think that's the problem a little bit, isn't it?

779
00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:53.400
Because this is weird.

780
00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:57.480
Like, again, it's Star Trek doesn't do subtext.

781
00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.199
Um, and so there's something really sort of awkward about this.

782
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:08.699
It's super obvious, you know, it's, I don't know, it's not...

783
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:10.320
It's not subtle enough.

784
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:11.340
It's not obvious.

785
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:14.579
She's doing that sort of zombie thing again where she sort of looks off camera.

786
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:21.420
It's so weird how our acting shifts. depending on whether she's comfortable in the scene or not.

787
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:22.800
Oh, here we go.

788
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.219
I don't think I don't think that Jonathan's very...

789
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:27.239
No.

790
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.099
And then, you know what?

791
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:33.480
like, um, Renee and Nanal were not comfortable kissing in his way.

792
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:35.039
Fuck me, they go for it.

793
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.500
That scene on the promenade.

794
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.119
I mean, that snug lasts about 10 minutes.

795
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.940
Yeah, the half his face comes off.

796
00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:43.380
It's true.

797
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.820
She goes, a loose romantic kiss because his rubbery mouth ripped off.

798
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:48.960
I was like, all the way.

799
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.059
Is this the same you was talking about between Picard and Beverly Crusher?

800
00:50:54.119 --> 00:51:04.800
Yeah, because there's something there, you know, like there isn't very much backstory between the characters, but the 2 characters that do have the backstory are her and him.

801
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:16.139
And we will wait until maybe is it season 7 when we get attached where we actually kind of chain them to each other and they realise their true feelings for one another.

802
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:17.579
I think it is quite late in the run.

803
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:18.659
It was very bored.

804
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.239
Yeah, it is, it's not very good.

805
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:29.099
But, um, you know, you, if you people go back and listen to our last 5 or 10 next generation episodes.

806
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:30.360
Now you say that a lot.

807
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:31.500
I've noticed that.

808
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.400
There's something almost there, but it's not there.

809
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:38.940
Now, is it the fact that this is being churned out at such a rate?

810
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.960
They can't really write these scripts with any sort of depth or substance.

811
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:46.860
Yeah, and I also think they're just not very brave.

812
00:51:46.920 --> 00:52:01.980
I think that they find because is it is it kind of PTSD after seasons one and two, which do more weird things, but which fuck up on a really spectacularly regular basis?

813
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.739
I think they're almost more entertaining, though, because of it.

814
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:17.760
Yeah, whereas here they've found a groove and they just kind of go with it and they do the same thing every week and I just think that it's less interesting.

815
00:52:17.820 --> 00:52:19.619
And then they don't go for it.

816
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:20.760
They don't take risks.

817
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.559
It's really very safe, I think.

818
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:31.619
It's such a weird dilemma to being though, to be far more comfortable writing, I know, a science fiction puzzle than it is just getting basic human emotions, right?

819
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

820
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:40.139
So we'll love something like conundrum or frame of mind or like that, you know, where we've got to think our way out of the episode.

821
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.639
But 45 minutes of Dr. Beverly agonising over her lover.

822
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.400
Yeah, is super boring.

823
00:52:47.460 --> 00:53:04.139
See, this, where he actually stops and says, I'm your friend, and it's whatever else I am, I'm the man who was, you know, intimately involved in the death of your husband, and then she hugs him, which I think is, you know, again so rare.

824
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:13.320
And then that look, the look, you know, the over the shoulder look where they can't see one another's face, the way he doesn't quite tentatively brings his arm around as well.

825
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:17.639
That's something that no one TNG gets right is that sort of suggestion.

826
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:19.980
That there are feelings here.

827
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.880
And it is almost like that moonlighting thing of like, will they won't they?

828
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:24.840
We know they won't.

829
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:25.860
It's not quite as good as that.

830
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.900
But it's quite nice that they possibly will.

831
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.340
Yeah, because there's enough backstory between those 2 characters. they come with that.

832
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.079
It doesn't develop beyond what we learn in the pilot, really, but it is something.

833
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.940
He does look rough.

834
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:43.019
Now he's going to come.

835
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:47.460
I know we talk about the light, we go, 90s track, a lot now, but the overhead lighting and all these things.

836
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.860
It doesn't, there seems no favour whatsoever.

837
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:51.059
No.

838
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.420
There's no hint of a shadow in this set anywhere.

839
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.860
Yeah, there's no texture. hunted them down and killed them.

840
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.880
I wouldn't have a hope.

841
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.300
Yeah.

842
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:18.000
But and then you complain about Picard, you know, because Picard is so dark. but I think that part of the joy of series 3 of Picard was seeing these characters underlit for a change.

843
00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:20.579
Particular things are also fucking old.

844
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.679
Dreadful fucking...

845
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:24.300
But that's the other thing. too.

846
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:26.519
That's the great fun thing is then we go back.

847
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:36.599
It's better lit than it is in 90s trek, but it is much more evenly lit, and that's the contrast, which is kind of found...

848
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.719
Oh, very 1st episode where we went to the alternative universe.

849
00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:42.420
Yesterday's Enterprise and it was really dark and gorgeous.

850
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.139
Yeah.

851
00:54:43.139 --> 00:54:45.119
You and me were going hard.

852
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.079
We could have had this all along.

853
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:47.099
What's going on?

854
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:53.400
I did complain about Picard being in the ready room, you know, with all the lights off.

855
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:56.099
Like he's just sitting there.

856
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.980
He's just sort of a silhouette. wasn't he?

857
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

858
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:02.579
His face looming out of the dark.

859
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.800
Oh, dear, oh dear.

860
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:07.739
Oh, we have missed a scene where, okay, just for everybody.

861
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.119
It's about halfway through the episode.

862
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:22.199
If you watch this, watch the scene where they're all in the ready room with the alien woman and Dr. Bev's right at the back of the scene and Patrick Stewart's in front of her and then she starts to move into shot and you can almost see her stomach.

863
00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:29.400
So Patrick Stewart looks off off camera and has clearly been given a note saying, will you move to the right place and cover up us?

864
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:31.320
So he steps right in front of her.

865
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:33.360
So you can't see her in the shop.

866
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:34.800
Okay.

867
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:49.079
So here is Kareel. and she's turned up and she's speaking in a real flat monotone because she's going to be the new host and we can't feel bad about her being taken over by Odan.

868
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:57.420
Did you notice that ship, the trill ship, is the same ship that the packlids have in Samaritan Snare?

869
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:04.860
And it's the ship that the pack led ship in Lower Decks is based on as well.

870
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.019
And look.

871
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.579
Yeah, it is.

872
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.380
But they only have a few models.

873
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:11.760
You're right.

874
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:14.820
The way Gates plays this scene, very weird.

875
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.679
Oh, here's the thing.

876
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:22.380
She plays it like she's angry with her. you get anger from this?

877
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.360
Yeah, I, not, not Koreal, not Odan.

878
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:31.139
Oh, Dan is playing it heaps like the original actor. right?

879
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.179
I think he's in the lies, though, isn't he?

880
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:34.500
Oh, you were there, the war.

881
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:34.980
Well done.

882
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.820
You know?

883
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:44.639
Yeah, she's like she's snippy, you know, like he's done something wrong and like she's kind of snippy and tight lipped.

884
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:46.199
She gives this tight little smile.

885
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:54.780
She goes, oh, I've always loved you, but it's like it's really grudging and there's something slightly homophobic about it as well.

886
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.360
It's kind of like, yeah, it just feels different. you know, we're not ready for this yet.

887
00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:03.119
What she's saying is American television is not ready for this, yeah.

888
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:14.159
But when she says, but look, that tight smile and then she goes, and when she says perhaps it's a human failing that we can't, you know, love has its limits or whatever.

890
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:16.679
And this is stupid.

891
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:18.719
Now this is stupid, right?

892
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:23.460
She can't keep up because he's gonna be a different person every week or something.

893
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.340
And it's like, there was a fucking shuttle accident.

894
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:32.880
You know, like your partner could be anyone's partner could be a different person after a traumatic event.

895
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:36.900
You know, like you, you sign up in sickness and health or whatever.

896
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.099
And that's a thing.

897
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.000
That could happen.

898
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:42.360
You know, some terrible thing could happen and your partner changes.

899
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.719
Your partner gets older as you get older.

900
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:47.760
Like people change.

901
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:49.619
This is not unusual.

902
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:50.639
Do you know what I mean?

903
00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:55.860
Yeah, if her partner turned out to be trans, that would be it.

904
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.840
You can handle this, so sorry.

905
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.579
But, and you know, for some people it is.

906
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.440
Like, yes, for some people it is. and and find whatever, you know, like I don't know what that would be like.

907
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:06.780
I don't know how I would feel about that either.

908
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:14.579
One thing I liked was when she kissed her and there's a flicker of emotion on Dr. Bev's face of like, she feels something.

909
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.079
I don't think it's shocked.

910
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:17.400
I think you're shock.

911
00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:22.500
I think it's almost like, okay, I didn't expect to be turned on by you getting my hand.

912
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.960
Only, if only.

913
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:29.340
But it's an absurd message to go out on, though.

914
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.860
In a show that's supposed to celebrate diversity.

915
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:37.980
But if she, like, you know, we've got to find a way of ending the relationship, right?

916
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.159
Because Odan can't be in next week's episode.

917
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:43.260
Then maybe you should be Odan saying to Dr. Bev.

918
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:48.360
I'm a different person now because the host is in me and I can't be with you.

919
00:58:48.420 --> 00:58:49.199
But that's the point.

920
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:50.579
He's not a different person, is it?

921
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:56.579
But that would leave less of a taste in your mouth than Dr. Beverly's saying you're a woman.

922
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:57.239
I can't handle this.

923
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:00.539
What if she was playing it differently?

924
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.619
And what if...

925
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.079
Yeah.

926
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:13.679
You know, at the beginning of the episode where we said, well, we don't, we're not convinced anyway, because they've only known each other for 10 days and she's desperately in love with this man.

927
00:59:13.739 --> 00:59:20.760
We're so far removed from anything you and I can buy into now. because that worm's gone from one person to another person.

928
00:59:20.940 --> 00:59:25.800
Add on the fact that we don't buy into the relationship at the beginning.

929
00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:30.599
It's like, well, I don't understand what I'm supposed to be feeling now at the end.

930
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:31.800
No, that's it.

931
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:38.519
That's exactly it And like I kind of think that you could have played that dialogue in a way that was wistful and regretful.

932
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:47.219
And she could have kind of said, you know, she could have made it clear that she's traumatised by these changes. you know what I mean?

933
00:59:47.280 --> 01:00:03.000
These accidents and these things that have happened, that something went wrong and the relationship just can't survive, the the trauma and the change as a result, but not this, you know, we're not ready for homosexuality. the 24th century.

934
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:06.239
And I know this is a what if and it never would have happened.

935
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:09.659
What I would have loved was for Odan to have said, do you know what?

936
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:10.380
I can't stay.

937
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:11.400
I've got work to do.

938
01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:14.940
And for Dr. Bev to say, it would have been really fun to explore this.

939
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.300
That would have been a much more positive in it, you know?

940
01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:28.980
Do you know one other thing, too, that I noticed is that Odan has a conversation with Picard, in which he says to Picard, do you think Beverly is all that attached to Starfleet?

941
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:39.300
It's kind of like what Odan wants is what Ronan wants, which is for her to stop doing her job and devote herself to him full-time.

942
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.920
You know, like it's kind of creepy and terrible, right, from the get go.

943
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:53.519
You remember Kira's reaction to Bashir saying that it was taboo for Dax and Lenara to be together.

944
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:55.139
Do you remember that?

945
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:04.139
Kira turns around and he goes, you know, it's forbidden for old hosts to rekindle relationships and blah, blah, blah, and she goes straight away.

946
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:09.000
How can it possibly be unnatural for 2 people that are in love to be in love?

947
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:12.300
And so it's literally stating the opposite of this.

948
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:16.980
Yeah, you know, and all right, they do go out of their way to not mention it's the same sexual relationship.

949
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.980
But it's almost like no same-sex relationships on the show.

950
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.860
But it's almost like that isn't a problem. you know?

951
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.539
It's not even a factor.

952
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.639
And that's a better message.

953
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:28.679
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

954
01:01:28.739 --> 01:01:35.579
And look, when this series does homosexuality in the outcast, I remember at the time being like hugely thrilled by the fact that it came up.

955
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:48.480
But now I'm just kind of annoyed that it's an issue episode and it's an episode of the evil lesbians who persecute people for being heterosexual, you know, like it's kind of like, oh, come on, you know, like you did this.

956
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:51.239
Don't blame lesbians for homophobia.

957
01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:53.579
You know what's doing it.

958
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.179
Ira Bear over on DS9 in that documentary.

959
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:02.460
They're like, yes, you know, you had a gay character, Garak, tick, and Arabeg goes, no, no, no, you take that tick away.

960
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.719
He goes, you rub that out.

961
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:05.579
We could have done better.

962
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.260
We should have run with that.

963
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:11.820
Like, we were weak to not do it and to listen to the studio execs.

964
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:22.619
And, you know, they flirt with it and they have, you know, Jesus, I love those scenes between Terry Farrell and, um, oh, what's someone that's name, you know, and let he who is without seeing Vanessa Williams.

965
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:28.019
Yeah, where they're doing the pottery together and they've got their arms around each other in the swimming costumes and stuff.

966
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:30.000
And Wolf walks in appalled.

967
01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:31.199
Like, what is going on?

968
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:35.039
So they do flirt with it.

969
01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:36.900
But it's still it's not good enough.

970
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.219
No.

971
01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:48.480
And I think the reaction, the sort of, oh, Star Trek is so woke reaction to Kurtzman trick, which is getting it right, you know, displaying full diversity.

972
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:54.840
It's those people that watched this and thought this was good enough and it wasn't good enough.

973
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:56.579
No, no.

974
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.940
And again, we've said before that this is Star Trek.

975
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:11.219
90 Star Trek is generally embarrassed about, for all of the kind of talk, is a bit embarrassed about this sort of socialist utopia thing, about federation morality.

976
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:26.880
And Kurtzman Trek, you know, despite what people feared in series one of discovery. wholeheartedly embraces it, I think. and uses Star Trek as a vehicle for telling stories about queer people for the 1st time ever.

977
01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:39.719
What's sad is, I say to you, it's not in flirting with it, and it did, but by the time you get to Voyager, I can't think of a single same-sex moment in Voyager, and I can't think of a single same-sex moment in Enterprise.

978
01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:47.280
So when Bragger and Berman are completely in charge of 2 shows, it's a, it's a gay wash.

979
01:03:47.340 --> 01:03:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

980
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.719
Oh, and I think too, they are conservative.

981
01:03:51.780 --> 01:04:03.659
I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that voyagers politics are inherently xenophobic and conservative and the same with enterprise and we've talked about both of those things.

982
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:07.800
And, you know, like I still love both of those shows, even Enterprise.

983
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:16.500
But I don't love them because they're into that utopian vision that somehow has become associated with Star Trek.

984
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.800
No, you love them because they're silly Star Trek shows.

985
01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:22.079
Yeah, exactly.

986
01:04:22.139 --> 01:04:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah.

987
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:36.780
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next.

988
01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:40.380
It's my go on the randomiser.

989
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.920
Could you possibly find an episode with a gay character in it, please?

990
01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:49.440
Uh, I doubt it because we are going to watch Star Trek Enterprise.

991
01:04:51.059 --> 01:04:55.199
We've got no opening. absolutely no chance at all.

992
01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:57.420
Why Enterprise now?

993
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:15.119
It is slightly underrepresented in untitled Star Trek Project, and this week we saw an episode of Strange New World that ended with what was a little bit of a love letter to Star Trek Enterprise.

994
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:25.320
And one of the things that we've always said about Kurtzman Trek is that it loves and embraces all of Trek and Enterprise is no exception.

995
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:39.599
And so having the crew of the Enterprise, the original Enterprise from Strange New Worlds, geeking out about the crew of the NXO one, having Ahura, about admiration for Hoshi.

996
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.400
She talked 30 languages, you know.

997
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:42.599
Yeah, yeah.

998
01:05:42.659 --> 01:05:53.760
Like all of that was really lovely and warm and it was kind of a fun way of showing that they were the same as Boimler and Mariner, who geek out about them.

999
01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:56.280
You know, it's it was very cute.

1000
01:05:56.340 --> 01:05:58.079
So wonderful that episode.

1001
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.739
And honestly, those two, Tawny Newsome and Dennis...

1002
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:05.699
Sorry, tennis Quane.

1003
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.280
Effortless.

1004
01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:11.280
Just, yeah, skipping into life action.

1005
01:06:11.340 --> 01:06:12.780
And his boy...

1006
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.239
I mean, I thought she was good. he was excellent.

1007
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

1008
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:23.460
The way was, was just like boy blur, the way he ran down the corridor away from number one was just like, boy, blah, blah.

1009
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:28.500
I'm like, how are they possibly going to pull off these comic characters in this show?

1010
01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:29.940
And it works.

1011
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.880
And they did it without distorting the characters at all.

1012
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:34.500
They were still those comic characters.

1013
01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:37.440
They were still the same. sequence done in animation.

1014
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.280
Oh my god.

1015
01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:41.460
Oh, that thing that's...

1016
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:44.099
The thing that sucks on the Cerritos thing?

1017
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:45.360
I thought of you immediately.

1018
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:47.820
Oh, it was just heaven.

1019
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:48.539
It was wonderful.

1020
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:49.980
So good. wonderful.

1021
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.199
So we're not watching that unfortunately.

1022
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:53.400
No, we're not watching that.

1023
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:56.159
We're going to watch it on the randomiser.

1024
01:06:56.219 --> 01:06:58.079
Inferior iteration of stuff.

1025
01:06:58.139 --> 01:06:59.159
We are.

1026
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:07.079
But we were reminded by Strangely Worlds that Star Trek Enterprise was something that was worth our love as well.

1027
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:08.579
So let's give it a go.

1028
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:09.960
Sometimes.

1029
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:10.559
Yeah.

1030
01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:11.519
All right.

1031
01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:13.980
Okay, so here goes pressing the button.

1032
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.900
Okay, season one, episode 16, shuttlepod one.

1033
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.400
Oh Christ.

1034
01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:34.980
Off you, you might have a lot of issues with that one, because it's the one where Tripp and Reed are trapped on this shuttle pod, and they think they're going to die, and it's the most heterosexual because they're losing oxygen.

1035
01:07:34.980 --> 01:07:47.280
So they start to get very masculine and they're talking about this woman who works in the Briggs tits, and it's all very, all the things you were going to hate about Enterprise.

1036
01:07:47.340 --> 01:07:48.480
Maybe choose another one.

1037
01:07:48.539 --> 01:07:55.199
It's that strip down series one thing that Enterprise does where it's just like have very simple premises.

1038
01:07:55.260 --> 01:08:02.099
But that's the one that's one of the ones that Bragger talked about in that interview with all the cars, you know, 15 years later.

1039
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.659
He thought he was doing character stuff.

1040
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:05.159
This is where we were doing something different.

1041
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:06.480
It was different, yeah.

1042
01:08:06.539 --> 01:08:07.320
It wasn't good.

1043
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:12.000
Because it's overtly heterosexual and a bit creepy.

1044
01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:13.559
Yeah, okay.

1045
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:19.500
All right. let's try something else Season two, episode 25, Bounty.

1046
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.420
Episode 25.

1047
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.920
Oh God, that's no.

1048
01:08:22.979 --> 01:08:23.939
What are you doing?

1049
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.119
That's the one where DePaul goes for a pomfire.

1050
01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:30.000
She's stalking down all the men. in horror sequences.

1051
01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:31.560
Oh, you keep talking about that.

1052
01:08:31.619 --> 01:08:32.460
We should have to watch it.

1053
01:08:32.579 --> 01:08:34.920
And I can't even remember what.

1054
01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:37.319
I think there's something about Orions in there as well.

1055
01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:38.340
You know, the green guys.

1056
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.319
Is it racist about Orions?

1057
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:41.520
Does it think they're all pirates?

1058
01:08:41.579 --> 01:08:42.720
Are they all pirates?

1059
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:43.800
I can't remember.

1060
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:49.199
All I remember is these amazing, it's terrible because of what it says about women and sexuality.

1061
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:55.560
She's going around and there's horror music and flashlight in and she's trying to have sex with every man.

1062
01:08:55.619 --> 01:08:57.000
There's all cowering in the shadows.

1063
01:08:57.060 --> 01:08:58.739
That sounds great.

1064
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.199
I haven't mentioned it before a couple of times.

1065
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:05.460
I think we have to do it I really want you to watch a really good enterprise one.

1066
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.079
Yeah, they're all good ones.

1067
01:09:07.140 --> 01:09:09.180
Okay, all right. try again.

1068
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.279
We would have had fun with that, though.

1069
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:17.279
Uh, fight or flight season one, episode three. too early.

1070
01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:18.420
We're in trouble there.

1071
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.060
Okay, North Star.

1072
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:22.920
Season three, episode nine.

1073
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.140
He's a little boring as well.

1074
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:26.100
Cowboy one.

1075
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.199
It's one of the weaker ones from free.

1076
01:09:28.260 --> 01:09:28.800
Yeah.

1077
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:31.680
They do a Western... in the middle of the Zoom.

1078
01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:34.380
Yeah, no, that seems like an odd thing to do.

1079
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.659
Shuttle pod one again.

1080
01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:40.439
Shockwave.

1081
01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:45.060
I'm not doing a two-parter, so this is Shockwave season one, episode 26.

1082
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.619
We're not doing shockwave part two, so let's move quickly.

1083
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:50.819
I think Shaw wave's a bit muddled.

1084
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.079
A lot of people jam a bit 4 styles and it's very confusing.

1085
01:09:55.260 --> 01:09:56.819
All right.

1086
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.199
Here's what we might do.

1087
01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:02.220
Season three, episode 12, Chosen Realm.

1088
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:05.220
Have no idea.

1089
01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:07.920
Oh, should we look it up quickly?

1090
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:09.479
Okay.

1091
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:21.060
Okay, so according to Wikipedia, it is Enterprise has taken over by a group of religious zealots called Triannons, and Archer must retake it before it's too late.

1092
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.420
Does it have interesting things to say about religion?

1093
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:25.920
Oh, I doubt it.

1094
01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:26.880
I can't remember at all.

1095
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.920
I do remember a lot of Siri, sorry.

1096
01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:30.600
Come on, one more time.

1097
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:31.859
Okay, one more time.

1098
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.239
This is the one.

1099
01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:34.800
Whatever it is, this is the one.

1100
01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:38.880
No, it's unexpected, which we did in episode 69.

1101
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.340
So fight or flight.

1102
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.739
Why is it rolling the same thing over and over again?

1103
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:47.640
Okay, season two, episode 15 ceasefire.

1104
01:10:47.699 --> 01:10:49.140
No idea.

1105
01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:51.720
All right.

1106
01:10:51.779 --> 01:10:54.960
Terra Prime, which we've done before.

1107
01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:56.819
The Randomiser is killing me today.

1108
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:58.439
All right, let's try again.

1109
01:10:58.500 --> 01:11:00.359
So that's the longest one ever.

1110
01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:02.520
Season two, episode 10.

1111
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.199
I think we've done worse than this.

1112
01:11:04.260 --> 01:11:06.600
Season two, episode 10, vanishing point.

1113
01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:12.060
Oh, is that the one with Hoshi and the transporter?

1114
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:17.760
She's got a fair of the transporter and it's a very quiet...

1115
01:11:17.819 --> 01:11:18.479
Go on one more time.

1116
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:19.619
Okay.

1117
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.000
Come on, find a sign good.

1118
01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:25.079
Okay, season three, episode 13 proving ground.

1119
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.479
No clue.

1120
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:27.960
Hang on.

1121
01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:29.340
It's in the Zindia.

1122
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.300
This is getting embarrassing.

1123
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.560
That's the that's the point at which it ends.

1124
01:11:34.619 --> 01:11:37.260
The rule is once we're too embarrassed to roll again.

1125
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.859
The whole thing ends. breathing ground.

1126
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:41.880
Now that's more like it.

1127
01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:43.859
Three stars out of four.

1128
01:11:43.859 --> 01:11:46.199
Jeffrey Coombs, isn't it?

1129
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.420
It's sort of big Zindi story arc.

1130
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:58.920
The Enterprise, Enterprise has found the location of the testing side of the Zindi weapon and get some rather unexpected help.

1131
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:00.720
Let's do it Come on.

1132
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:06.239
And we haven't really done a sort of dense series 3 middle of the arc episode, have we?

1133
01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:11.520
Well, I don't think we've done a proper Zindi Arc episode at all, have we?

1134
01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:13.079
We're certain about done.

1135
01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:16.979
Yeah, we've never done an episode with Zindy characters or dialogue or anything.

1136
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:22.020
I think you and me, we are going for different directions when it comes to series 3 events prize.

1137
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:27.239
Yes, I go in the same direction as John Billingsley.

1138
01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:31.260
And I go in the same direction of the direction. and Rick Burman.

1139
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.560
So which of us could possibly be right?

1140
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.760
Alright.

1141
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:37.920
Okay.

1142
01:12:37.979 --> 01:12:40.260
So, bring your answer to that question.

1143
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.720
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1144
01:12:54.779 --> 01:13:01.500
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1145
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:06.359
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1146
01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:12.060
This episode was recorded on the 25th of July, 2023 and released on the 28th of July.

1147
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.960
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Moving Ground.

1148
01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:35.340
Got it there.

1149
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:36.300
We're cute off.

1150
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:36.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1151
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.920
That's great.

1152
01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:38.880
Oh, God.

1153
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.579
Oh, that was embarrassing, advertised for tomorrow.

1154
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:47.100
But I mean, I rolled 2 of them like 3 times and I rolled 2 other episodes that we've already done.

1155
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:55.739
I am going to have to institute the secret randomiser that skipped episodes that we've done already.

1156
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.140
Oh, well, it does that now.

1157
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.359
No, I haven't written it yet.

1158
01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:01.800
Well I'll have the right one.

1159
01:14:01.859 --> 01:14:03.899
Oh, okay, yeah, that's probably...

1160
01:14:03.899 --> 01:14:05.760
It's easy to get to that point, aren't we?

1161
01:14:05.819 --> 01:14:07.020
We are getting to that point where.

1162
01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:09.479
Yeah, done that, done that.

1163
01:14:09.539 --> 01:14:14.579
And actually, one of the things that I was going to do, and I might do it after I go off the call.

1164
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:27.479
I probably just need to write a couple of lines of code to get it to do, because we, you know, the percentages for individual shows, but I haven't got an overall percent to how far we are through, and I think that'd be a fun thing to have.

1165
01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:28.979
Don't you think?

1166
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.199
Well, I mean, I'm assuming we're quite low.

1167
01:14:31.260 --> 01:14:33.239
We're about 10%.

1168
01:14:33.300 --> 01:14:34.439
Oh, really?

1169
01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:38.460
Well, this is episode 75.

1170
01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:43.380
Star Trek is around about 890 episodes at this point.

1171
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.779
Oh, a little way to go, yeah, then.

1172
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.819
A little way to go.

1173
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:49.500
Because it's still coming.

1174
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.060
And you saw the trailer.

1175
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:52.800
I haven't actually seen that trailer.

1176
01:14:52.859 --> 01:14:54.359
Well, low decks one.

1177
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.920
But Brandon did send me the photo.

1178
01:14:58.979 --> 01:15:15.359
He sent me a photo of Shacks and Ransom doing the thing in doing the like in the leotards that Beverly and Deanna doing the price in exactly the same leotards that they're wearing.

1179
01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:16.560
And the same colours and everything.

1180
01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:18.479
Yeah, same colour, like the whole thing.

1181
01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:20.159
But I haven't seen the trailer.

1182
01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:24.359
I was just looking at September the 27th or something, it's back.

1183
01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:26.460
Yeah, that'll watch every week.

1184
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.960
I'm going to binge all of, um, Strangely Wales.

1185
01:15:31.020 --> 01:15:32.039
Yeah, as a year.

1186
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.840
Well, I'll rewatch the Boiling One.

1187
01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:35.100
Why wouldn't I?

1188
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:39.600
Oh, I was thinking of rewatching it tonight, actually, later, because I just think it's so great.

1189
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:49.380
I thought it was so well done And the last time they sort of did something that well. with that much care was trials and tribulations.

1190
01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:56.100
Yeah, I I thought it was like trials and tribulations as well, but I actually thought...

1191
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:08.279
Like, trials and tribulations is astonishing and, you know, but I thought this, like, this was really something else because they were playing on hard mode with this.

1192
01:16:08.340 --> 01:16:09.659
Like, how do they do it?

1193
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:11.880
Their characters from a cartoon show.

1194
01:16:11.939 --> 01:16:17.399
Do we have them turn up and behave normal and just pretend they're exaggerated because it's a cartoon?

1195
01:16:17.460 --> 01:16:20.579
Well, that's not having the characters from the cartoon, you know?

1196
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:22.380
Like that's, that's punting.

1197
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.260
How do these characters work with the other characters?

1198
01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:27.600
Brakes directed it, didn't he?

1199
01:16:27.659 --> 01:16:28.619
It gauge shit.

1200
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:29.159
Yeah, yeah.

1201
01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:30.779
He got it. absolutely right.

1202
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:53.399
And, you know, because the, that scene in the turbo lift with Christine and boy, and where she realises what we always should have realised that because this is a prequel and because we know what Spock ends up being, this relationship can't last, they're in a relationship.

1203
01:16:53.460 --> 01:16:56.939
They've been in it for an episode or something like that.

1204
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.600
It's like at the end of, you know, like an earlier episode.

1205
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:09.779
I think it's at the end of the comedy, the set, you know, the comedy episode where like Spock turns into a human being and then has to turn up.

1206
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:17.640
Yeah, he has to turn up at his engagement party and impress his future mother-in-law and he has fake ears on it.

1207
01:17:17.699 --> 01:17:22.859
It's just it's like they're ludicrous high concept, comedy episode.

1208
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:24.000
And it's at the end of that.

1209
01:17:24.060 --> 01:17:25.920
So that was episode like 6 or something.

1210
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:27.899
So they have only just been in the relationship together.

1211
01:17:27.899 --> 01:17:39.779
And just seeing how heartbroken she is, like she properly plays it properly and then he's upset because he's kind of fucked up, not just by telling future things, but by saying this to her and hurting her feelings and stuff.

1212
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.060
I like her being the poster child.

1213
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:42.779
I love that.

1214
01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:44.159
Then...

1215
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:44.939
Yeah.

1216
01:17:44.939 --> 01:17:53.340
You know that, like, you know that she, like, the actor who plays Una is married to the actor who plays.

1217
01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:55.199
Yeah, it's Jerry O'Connell.

1218
01:17:55.260 --> 01:17:58.979
So he gets to say that she's the hottest 1st officer in Starfleet.

1219
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.380
But like, it was all really well judged.

1220
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.500
I just think the MVP was Jack White.

1221
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:06.479
I just thought, oh, yeah, incredible.

1222
01:18:06.539 --> 01:18:10.500
That could have sunk the episode because he had so much to do.

1223
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:14.340
And it was absolutely the animated boiler.

1224
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:15.479
Yeah.

1225
01:18:15.539 --> 01:18:20.939
What about the bit too, where he says...

1226
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:22.020
Where...

1227
01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:38.399
Like where the captain says that he's going to spend some time on his own drinking whiskey, I'm thinking about his father who's died and just wishing I could spend one more day with him, and then bonelesses, but these people on the ship will wish that they could spend one more day with you.

1228
01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:40.079
And that was great.

1229
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:44.579
It did lean into that whole pike nose's future again as well.

1230
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:51.420
But we but we knew that, of course, because the thing you know about Pike, even if, do you know what I mean?

1231
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:56.340
The thing that we always knew about Pike is that he has this terrible future ahead of him.

1232
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.039
That's, you know, we've known that since the 60s.

1233
01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:06.060
And of course, Boemer knows it, and this, the show has not shied away from it, hasn't found a way of getting him out of it.

1234
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.279
I think the biggest endorsement of the episode was.

1235
01:19:08.340 --> 01:19:09.539
I didn't want him to go back at the end.

1236
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:13.380
Oh, and I really thought when you could hear their voices through the portal.

1237
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.220
I was like, I'll come through just for a 2nd come through.

1238
01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:21.659
Yeah, they're not going to do that.

1239
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.340
I was like, that would have been amazing.

1240
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.159
I was so glad they were in it.

1241
01:19:26.220 --> 01:19:27.180
That was what I predicted.

1242
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.899
When I heard that they were going to do some animation, there would be some animation in it.

1243
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.319
I knew that that would be how they would get Tandy and Rutherford in the episode.

1244
01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:40.140
They would just, you know, like have the thing open on the Cerritos being animated.

1245
01:19:40.140 --> 01:19:55.859
And like having, and because the great thing too, you know, like because the Enterprise, the Strangely World's opening credits are every bit as animated as the lower decks opening credits.

1246
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:56.640
Do you know what I mean?

1247
01:19:56.699 --> 01:19:57.420
They're just animated.

1248
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:58.260
They both animation.

1249
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.180
It's just the animation style.

1250
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:00.779
It's different.

1251
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.319
And the same with the planet. took me a 2nd on it.

1252
01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:05.460
It took me a 2nd.

1253
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.119
I was watching it, watching those lights coming on.

1254
01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:11.699
No, the lights were too...

1255
01:20:11.699 --> 01:20:12.960
They were details enough.

1256
01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:14.220
No, it happened.

1257
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.439
Maybe I'm just used to not paying attention.

1258
01:20:17.100 --> 01:20:19.439
And then I was like, yeah.

1259
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.199
It was so good.

1260
01:20:22.260 --> 01:20:24.000
Just the best thing ever.

1261
01:20:24.060 --> 01:20:25.619
Wave for that musical episode.

1262
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.560
But like, you know, that...

1263
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:33.359
It's a shame, but I, you know, there are people saying, oh, it's sold out already.

1264
01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:34.140
Things like this.

1265
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.680
Oh, fuck off and go watch something else then, you know?

1266
01:20:37.739 --> 01:20:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

1267
01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:40.979
But I mean, the thing is that it can be funny.

1268
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:42.899
But one of the things that Star Trek.

1269
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.460
Yes, it's fine.

1270
01:20:44.460 --> 01:20:46.500
Like it's 5 songs in it.

1271
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.479
Yeah, you know?

1272
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:49.199
Yeah.

1273
01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:50.100
Yeah.

1274
01:20:50.100 --> 01:20:51.300
That where I'm done singing.

1275
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.600
The doctor sang about 30 songs. across Voyager.

1276
01:20:54.659 --> 01:20:56.100
Yeah, yeah.

1277
01:20:56.159 --> 01:21:04.859
That's superb, like it, that superb episode of Picard in series 2, where Agnes wears the red dress, 2 of one.

1278
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:10.319
I think it is, and she's sort of taken over by the Borg and she does this incredible musical number.

1279
01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:13.380
They just wanted to be one sort of thing, didn't they?

1280
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:13.979
Yeah.

1281
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.159
They want it to be, they want it to be space.

1282
01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:19.439
The next generation, sort of straightforward space thing.

1283
01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:27.359
But I, I want, maybe, but I think, you know, I think they want it to be balance of terror and the Corva might maneuver.

1284
01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:30.180
There's some of that in there, though.

1285
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:31.380
Of course there is.

1286
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:32.939
Of course there is.

1287
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1288
01:21:34.859 --> 01:21:37.560
No, it's it does the things that Star Trek can do.

1289
01:21:37.619 --> 01:21:39.239
Nobody's looking at that.

1290
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.819
For one episode and going, oh. they've sold out, you know.

1291
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:42.899
No, no.

1292
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:44.460
Better that's what people want.

1293
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:48.180
And I thought, but that was good. you know, and I thought children of the comet was good as well.

1294
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:58.800
It's like what Star Trek should be, you know, and high concept and beautiful and weird looking and saying things about religion and doing character stuff.

1295
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:02.039
Obviously, we have mixed reviews from Jama this year, though.

1296
01:22:02.100 --> 01:22:03.539
Obviously.

1297
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.720
There's 2 he wasn't so keen on, hang on, let's see.

1298
01:22:06.779 --> 01:22:10.680
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow only got 2 out of 4 stars.

1299
01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:15.899
Yeah, and to be fair, remember he gave 2.5 stars to Bem.

1300
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.239
Yeah, that is true.

1301
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.779
Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow is a wonderful Laan episode.

1302
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:25.680
She's superb in it.

1303
01:22:25.739 --> 01:22:27.000
He hasn't been thrilled by anything.

1304
01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:29.159
He's given 3 stars, 3 stars, 2 stars.

1305
01:22:29.220 --> 01:22:31.079
2.5 stars, 3 stars.

1306
01:22:31.140 --> 01:22:32.220
Has he 2.5?

1307
01:22:32.340 --> 01:22:32.699
Has he does?

1308
01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:34.680
Has he done those old scientists yet?

1309
01:22:34.739 --> 01:22:41.939
But you look at the you look at the comment thread because I went there yesterday at the comment. is full of people just saying, yeah, I had a blast.

1310
01:22:42.060 --> 01:22:42.720
This was incredible.

1311
01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:46.199
But it was like a night in sick, babe.

1312
01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.279
Was it annoying, Sick Bay?

1313
01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:49.260
It's one where it's like, oh, this is a guilty pleasure.

1314
01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:50.220
I think this is really fun.

1315
01:22:50.340 --> 01:22:55.020
You know, like, and jam is saying how terrible it is, and everyone on the 3 is saying, actually, I think this is kind of fun.

1316
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:57.000
In that case, he was correct.

1317
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:58.979
No, it's really good.

1318
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.659
Remember, I'm doing that ritual at the end.

1319
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:08.100
With his shirt off with those weird aliens on the plane.

1320
01:23:08.100 --> 01:23:09.479
We had to apologise by doing that.

1321
01:23:09.539 --> 01:23:11.760
And we have no clue what was going on.

1322
01:23:11.819 --> 01:23:13.859
No, that was so bizarre.

1323
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:15.720
Just make it up, right?

1324
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1325
01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.460
The fans will be pouring over for years, you know.

1326
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:28.020
Well, I can think of is Uncle Arthur teaching Darren Stevens to say Yagazuzi Zim.

1327
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.500
Yeah, TJ.

1328
01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:35.640
Oh, goodness.

1329
01:23:35.699 --> 01:23:37.319
We have watched some shit, haven't we?

1330
01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:38.279
We watched some good stuff.

1331
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.880
Yeah, it's a bit more sheep than I expected.

1332
01:23:41.939 --> 01:23:44.880
It's a pity about Star Trek the Next Generation, isn't it?

1333
01:23:44.939 --> 01:23:47.520
Even the ones that I, the beloved ones, PowerPlay.

1334
01:23:47.579 --> 01:23:50.819
I mean, I knew we were going to have some issues with this one because I remember the ending.

1335
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:54.180
Um, but it's sort of boring all the way through.

1336
01:23:54.239 --> 01:24:02.760
We haven't got to the stuff like the game and the rascals and stuff like that, you know, well, we can literally just have a blast.

1337
01:24:02.819 --> 01:24:06.060
Yeah, the one disaster.

1338
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:08.159
You know, we haven't done any of those type of episodes.

1339
01:24:08.220 --> 01:24:08.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1340
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.340
Maybe I'll keep rolling till I get a fun one, you know?

1341
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:13.020
Who watches the watchers?

1342
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:14.520
Watches the watches.

1343
01:24:14.579 --> 01:24:14.760
Yeah.

1344
01:24:14.819 --> 01:24:17.819
I like Dejah Q. As a brilliant one.

1345
01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.020
Even, you know, the goddess of empathy and all of that.

1346
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:23.159
We have a good giggle at that.

1347
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.939
Instead, we just keep rolling season 7 episodes.

1348
01:24:27.060 --> 01:24:28.020
Most toys.

1349
01:24:28.500 --> 01:24:31.140
Mm, no stores I like.

1350
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.579
And then all the classics, you know, mind's eye, best of both worlds.

1351
01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there is good stuff.

1352
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:39.000
Redemption.

1353
01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:41.279
This is Carmichael.

1354
01:24:41.340 --> 01:24:42.539
Yeah.

1355
01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:43.920
Types era.

1356
01:24:43.979 --> 01:24:44.699
Does that pick it?

1357
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:46.079
Best of pickets.

1358
01:24:47.699 --> 01:24:49.439
Oh, God.

1359
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:50.100
What is it?

1360
01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:50.760
What?

1361
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:52.739
Jealous Auberold.

1362
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:54.060
Fairest, skip hence.

1363
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:54.960
Oh my god.

1364
01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:56.399
So bad.

1365
01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:59.819
That was truly superb, Mrs. Carmichael.

1366
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.260
So you can relax.

1367
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:07.800
Oh, what about Captain's Holiday?

1368
01:25:07.859 --> 01:25:12.180
Oh, Max Roddenchick.

1369
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:13.979
And God, he was given a character.

1370
01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:14.819
See the bad guy.

1371
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.079
Oh my god, have you seen that?

1372
01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:17.100
Oh no, you haven't seen it.

1373
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:18.840
What?

1374
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:23.220
Um, Rom and Lisa are in the trailer for Lower Decks.

1375
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:24.420
Oh really?

1376
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:27.960
Oh, my God, I have to watch it.

1377
01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:29.220
Oh, he's a great...

1378
01:25:29.220 --> 01:25:31.079
I'm like drawn now with massive jugs.

1379
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:32.520
I got it just right.

1380
01:25:32.579 --> 01:25:35.760
It's just sort of going to the side.

1381
01:25:35.819 --> 01:25:37.020
That's brilliant.

1382
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:39.000
Oh, really?

1383
01:25:39.060 --> 01:25:40.020
Please.

1384
01:25:40.020 --> 01:25:41.340
Wrong later.

1385
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:42.720
That would be amazing.