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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back in Star Trek The Next Generation for a classic

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episode.

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It's series 4, episode 23.

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It's between Half a Life and the Minds I, and it's the host.

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How do you define a classic episode of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation?

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Well, I think just mostly it's got to be in series three, four

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five, or maybe six.

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But it turns out once again, as with PowerPlay and the masterpiece

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society, that this actually isn't all that good.

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People remember this for the ending more than the episode itself

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you know.

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Or maybe also because it introduces the trill, which obviously

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goes on. sort of, yeah, they do a lot of retooling before they're

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back.

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But it does introduce a major element that goes on to be a big

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part of other Star Trek shows.

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So it's so important for that reason, is weird, you know

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statistically, you and I, how many next generation episodes have

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we done now?

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No, I'm not sure, but it's...

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We've had 2 Dr. Beverly romances in the very few that we've

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covered. don't think she has many.

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No, and she definitely has a type because he has the same kind of

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cheap romance novel hair, doesn't he?

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As, as, um, what's his face?

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I can't even remember what Ronan.

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That's right And it gets lies like, you know, I believe you have a

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earth custom of delivering flowers when you say goodbye

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romantically to some.

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I was like, oh, no one talks like this. not even enough Harper

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Cartland novel anyone talks like that.

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I think there's a sort of weird thing going on here.

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So I think the initial idea is that we have an alien who is a slug

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living inside a person, but it's the slug that's the person and

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the person is just like a host, hence the title.

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And then it gets handed over to Jerry Taylor to write the

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screenplay. bad news.

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Yeah.

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And so it does become a Beverly story.

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And someone in memory Alpha, I can't remember, but gets quoted

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saying it had to be a Beverly story.

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It's not a Star Trek story.

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Otherwise, it has to be about our characters.

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And so it is about Beverly's reaction to all of this.

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But it has a real strong kind of case of not being about anything

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not having anything to say, and not really having a kind of

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coherent approach.

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Like it doesn't, doesn't know what it wants to do with all of this

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high concept stuff, I think.

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Does that sound fair?

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Yeah, the idea at the heart of it.

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It has potential because we know they go on and use that idea in

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lots of interesting ways of the host.

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You know, the one where Jansia has the host taken out of her and

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it goes into John Glover.

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You know, it's the idea of the worm in the belly is really

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interesting.

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You're right, that's not really the focus.

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We don't really learn much about that.

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We're far more interested in, you know, Dr. Beverly's heartbreak.

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Yeah, but we like we never really know why she's feeling what

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she's feeling, even though she spends a lot of time talking about

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it.

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It's a very quick declaration of love, isn't it?

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Well, I think we're assuming that they've spent weeks together.

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Three weeks.

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Three weeks.

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So it's a bit quick.

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I don't know.

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It doesn't seem like a grown-up actual kind of relationship.

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And the one thing that I thought of, and this is sort of super

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weird, is the guy from Counterpoint and Catherine Janeway.

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And they're kind of working together.

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They're burning the midnight oil, they're drinking coffee.

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They're in her quarters.

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They're working together on a problem.

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And they have this sort of frisson. there is a sort of chemistry

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there.

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And that kind of relationship seems to be, even, I think we were

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probably a bit iffy about that as well.

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There's a kind of slightly daggy scene where she says goodbye to

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him in the shuttle bay and it's all a little...

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There was proper chemistry between the actors there.

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But there was chemistry there.

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Yeah, and we were invested in that relationship.

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We love that one.

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I knew this fellow was never going to stick around or this worm

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you know, by the end of the episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No.

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Well, that's the show, and that's part of the problem with all of

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the relationships here, because this is Star Trek, and because

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it's a space problem show, and it isn't about the characters and

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their relationships, those never really change throughout the 7

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years.

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And so she's not going to have a relationship that continues.

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Michael and Book can have a relationship, and that can be a grown

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up relationship because now we write sex in Star Trek. with a

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little bit more of a kind of sophisticated grown-up approach.

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And the status quo can change and relationships can last over a

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long period of time.

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We just saw Penny Johnson Gerald burning Avery Brooks's Peppers in

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the last couple episodes, didn't we?

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And she was sitting on his lap and it was a proper sort of mature

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relationship with people ongoing with issues, but they love each

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other to pieces.

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Yeah, you ain't going to do that here.

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No.

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So any relationship in Next Generation is doomed.

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And if you think about all of the relationships that all of the

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characters have, they're all doomed, like they never worked out.

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Interesting, is they're not allowed to have a relationship until

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they're all back in Picard.

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So Riker and Troy are in a relationship, you know, that works.

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They've got children, Dr. Beverly and Picard have clearly had

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relations.

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Picard series 3, you know.

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But I just wouldn't let them do it here, which is a shame.

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But Picard isn't a Star Trek show.

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It's just a show set in the Star Trek universe. and so it lets us

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do other things.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is a Star Trek show.

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It's not about that at all.

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So the status quo never changes.

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And the funny thing is we were talking a little bit earlier about

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Strange New Worlds, and in this week's episode of Strange New

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Worlds, as in most of them, the previously on montage.

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He's all about the relationships between the characters, because

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that's the one thing it does change.

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It's still not serialised.

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It's still space problem of the week, but the relationships

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between the characters develop and the characters themselves are

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allowed to change a bit.

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That's more sophisticated.

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And it is blissful and far more satisfying than all of the other

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curse because of it.

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Well, I think it is perhaps the best Star Trek series since the

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original, I would say.

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I would disagree with that.

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Not show set within the Star Trek universe, not Star Trek show.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, in Kurtzman Trek, I love discovery because it

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attempts to do things that Star Trek had never done before and

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attempts to push it in directions that it's never been in before

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but I love Strange New Worlds because it embraces everything that

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Star Trek and is prepared to be fun and ridiculous and silly in a

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way that discovery never would be, you know, or Picard never would

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be.

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Here, I just don't think there's enough going on to sustain the 45

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I remember actually starting to watch it.

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Like just now I'm thinking, what the hell even happens for 45

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I know Odan's here.

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What goes on now?

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What they could have achieved here?

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And I was never going to happen because they weren't bold enough

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to do it at this point is they could have given the thumbs up to

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bisexuality in the future.

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And, you know, a lot of people discuss this ending.

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Because halfway through the episode, you know, Jonathan Freke

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starts playing Odan, because the worm is in Riker's belly.

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And, yeah, Dr. Beverly has this, you know, crisis, is Zodan, you

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know, the shell of the person or, you know, the heart of the

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person, which is now inside Riker.

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She determines, you know what?

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He's my friend Will Riker, but I can absolutely see that that is

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Odan and I still love him and so she fucks him.

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And then the worm in a good twist, because I don't think at the

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time, maybe now. at the time, I don't think we thought they would

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go down that route of the worm would go into a woman.

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And then Dr. Beverly has a little singing at the end where she

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says, yeah, we're not ready for this, yeah.

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You know, the human race is not ready for, you know, a woman to

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like a man and a woman.

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So, you know, after change.

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I think there's also a trans kind of allegory thing happening as

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well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like some couples relationships don't survive when one transitions

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and some relationships do.

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And it seems a little bit like that.

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But I think the whole tone of the way that she plays that scene is

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just utterly wrong and weird.

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And like I just don't think that anyone has a coherent idea of

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what this episode's supposed to be saying.

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You could just be talking about Gates McFadden's acting style

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there.

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That's really strange and weird.

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But I mean, I've got a quote here, though.

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If you allow me.

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I usually hit these before we go into the episode because it's

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something that people have talked about.

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So Marvin Rush, who directed this episode, um, who's normally a

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you know, a director of photography, but he did go on to direct

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you know, the Thor, that weird one in Voyager.

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You know, he's a good director, he's lumber with this bullshit

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script.

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Marvin Wash says, most people that I've talked to thought the show

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worked pretty well were entertained.

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So that's, we were wrong there.

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Some commented that they were unhappy with the ending because it

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was left a question.

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There was or could have been a sort of homosexual aspect to it, and

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we chose not to go down that route with it.

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I felt that it was more about the nature of love, why we love and

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what presents us from loving.

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To me, the best analogy is if your beloved turned into a

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cockroach.

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Could you love a cockroach?

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It's the same person.

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If the person is the personality and the call within, but can you

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get past the outside?

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We as humans are affected by the whole package, including the

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outside shell, and gates in her last scene talks about maybe

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someday, our ability to love, and the fact that it won't be so

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limited.

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She says mankind may one day be able to deal with this, but I

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can't.

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To me, that is about the nature of love.

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And I think it's an interesting worthy discussion.

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Rather than deal with the fact that it was because of any kind of

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homosexual bent per se.

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I mean, the way this is phrased.

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It tells you everything you need to know.

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It's just that in our culture and our society, People who are

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heterosexual, who want the companionship of a male because they

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are female, wouldn't be able to deal with that opposite

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situation.

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This is somebody that has never had a dialogue with a gay or by or

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trans person in his life.

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I mean, like the analogy is what happens if your partner turns

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into a cockroach.

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I mean, so how do you play that?

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How are we supposed to feel about that?

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I mean, that's just such a stupid thing because none of it is like

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anything.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, for now, like, you're doing a trans episode.

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And someone made that comparison.

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Well, you know, it's like if you turned into a cockroach.

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I mean, it would be so bad.

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But I don't know how to feel about any of this.

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Like, what is it analogous to, what's it about?

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Like, it doesn't resonate because it's not like anything.

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Like, how am I supposed to feel about this?

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You know, it's ridiculous, I think.

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And what they choose to do eventually with the trill is they move

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so this is all about the body, really.

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What they choose to do is to sort of lean into the psychology of

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it.

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Are you the sum of your parts or are you the person you are now

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you know, or, you know, Dax's serial killer, ex-host, you know

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turning her violent nowadays?

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stuff that's quite interesting to deal with. you know, psychology

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is interesting.

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But this is all about the biology of the worm going from person to

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person or Dr. Bev trying to figure out, is this the person I fell

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in love with in 3 weeks?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's a mess.

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I actually think there are some bits that are slightly successful

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and gesture towards something, but just basically, I don't know

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what to make of it.

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To say that, you know, when I was watching it, I did really enjoy

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the cheese.

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I think I may, yeah, I've been watching a lot of soap lately and

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we've talked about this in DS9 episodes.

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You know, so when you do have these, you know, agonising long

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looks at each other, you know, and, oh, just kiss me now, you

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know.

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I love all that shit.

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It's terrible telling.

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It is really bad. terrible.

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This is all like murder she wrote, level TV.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, let's go watch something, shall we?

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Yeah, that's it with that ringing endorsement in our ears.

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I'm going to count us in.

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I will say I'm still unconvinced that Star Trek the Next

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Generation is a good television show, all right?

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Well, no, fair enough.

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All right.

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I don't get kerosine.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Just hoping one day it all just clicks into place and I'm like, oh

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yes, this is just show I fell in love with.

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Okay, so this is Beverly's log.

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And she has 3 things, none of which are particularly interesting.

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Wesley is still around.

304
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Uh, why is, where's Wesley?

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No, no, no, he's off for the Academy.

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But he's finally writing her letters.

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And meanwhile, I've been boning this guy.

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Now, I have to say, I have to say that higher definition does the

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makeup absolutely no favours at all.

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Oh, no.

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We get a latex alien later who rags very high on the Beaumont

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scale.

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And I was like, I wish I couldn't see that hideous makeup quite so

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clearly.

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So, so, so the thing that, um, that Odan has, and I wonder whether

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they tone it down in later scenes, but he's got this thing under

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his nose, which is maybe meant to make his nose a little bit more

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like uh, like Bem's nose, a little bit more like a dog's nose or

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something.

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And it's really distracting because you can see the edge of the

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latex in close up really very clearly.

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And then he's got this forehead thing.

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And it is this sort of leonine look that Ronan has as well with

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the sort of slightly long hair and the high forehead and stuff.

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So that's Beverly's type, I've decided.

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She's into the new romantics, you know.

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Have you noticed that there's no spots?

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There's none of the trill spots that we get later.

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No, nothing.

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And they did try and fit that hideous makeup to Terry Farrell

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where because there are pictures of her with that horrible sort of

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forehead makeup and then they just looked at her and went, why

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have you made this stunningly beautiful woman that we brought in

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to play this role looks so hideous.

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And obviously we get rid of the the stomach protruding the way it

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does in this as well because we can't be having that every week.

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No.

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So it's only doing that here for the end of the teaser effect

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isn't it?

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What's wrong with Beverly Squeeze?

341
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Well, that's right.

342
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You know how I always say the big thing that look at the latest

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stomach as well.

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Like, look how bad.

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Look at the latex belly button and like you can see the sort of

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seam where his trousers are as if it's stitched on.

347
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It's really terrible.

348
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It must have looked great.

349
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You know what I thought?

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I thought...

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Not at the time, but I thought, do you know what?

352
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If someone might watch this and think, it's the return of those

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aliens from series one.

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Because they, directly, their tummies protruded like that. and

355
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they play it kind of like horror.

356
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He's a nice hairy chest, though, this guy.

357
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Yeah, I miss you and said there is some very strange sort of

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horror music running throughout the 1st half of this episode where

359
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I'm like, are we supposed to fear this man?

360
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Yeah, yeah, but that's what it looks like. isn't it?

361
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What we didn't mention is the way that data was inadvertently cock

362
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blocking them and the way that Beverly tries to get rid of him.

363
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Yeah. and yeah, because they clearly want a bone and he's he wants

364
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to do analysis or something.

365
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They are very good at those scenes in the next generation, you

366
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know, because I can remember in later seasons where Picard's

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trying to get out of things, you know, and they're all thinking up

368
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to dreadful excuses so he doesn't have to see Admiral Nachev or go

369
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to Captain Picard's day and things like this.

370
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Yeah.

371
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But I kind of think, do you think that, so when Picard, sorry.

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So when data kind of comes back in Picard, he suddenly realises

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hey, you were just kind of trying to divert me because he wanted

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to root all those times, do you think like he kind of realised how

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they were kind of manipulating him all this time?

376
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I think it's his naivety that is appealing.

377
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You know, that sort of childlike nature of data.

378
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So that's what we love doing in the 1st place.

379
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Yeah, yeah.

380
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Yeah, it is kind of cute, but it's very boring now.

381
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Compared to what we're getting. boring.

382
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The same shit of shit. shit.

383
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The same ship.

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Oh my god.

385
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The same shot of the enterprise zooming past the credits.

386
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Yeah, well, that's what we got in the 60s and now we have what we

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get in Strange New Worlds with the same speech, you know, and some

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Mount Doom speech. one of those amazing Kurtzman credits that we

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get.

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Oh, beautiful.

391
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Okay.

392
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So here we are.

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It's the host.

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It looks like a the opening shot of an episode of Lower Decks.

395
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Now, we do need to point out that Gates McFadden is heavily

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pregnant in this episode.

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And there are some glorious moments where people stand in front of

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her to disguise the fact that she is.

399
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So she's, see, I can't see that thing on his nose in this scene.

400
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Like I think it's there.

401
00:18:36.539 --> 00:18:38.039
No, no, no, I think it's gone.

402
00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:38.940
It's not as obvious.

403
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I don't know.

404
00:18:39.539 --> 00:18:40.019
I don't know.

405
00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:44.940
So she's massively, massively pregnant with her son James, who is

406
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now 32 or something like that, and we've already talked about now

407
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our visitor's pregnancy bump, who is now a very attractive young

408
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man as well.

409
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So oh, 10 days ago, they met 10 days ago.

410
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Very quick to have fallen in love, isn't it?

411
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But like it, I don't know, maybe I think it took you and me at

412
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least a month, you know.

413
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That's right.

414
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Do you know, there's a quote from Gates McFadden, you know, our

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memory alpha where she wishes that Crusher's 1st romantic episode

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would have been put off until after her pregnancy.

417
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She's sweaty and pregnant and she...

418
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She just sort of got a nice glow about it, isn't she?

419
00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:27.779
Yeah.

420
00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.240
They actually say that in the dialogue as well?

421
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Doesn't doesn't Deanna say that...

422
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It's the astringent.

423
00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.200
It's astringent.

424
00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:37.680
That's right.

425
00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.920
That's actually a line that's really kind of funny.

426
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I actually quite like that where Troy realises, oh, what's going

427
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on there?

428
00:19:45.779 --> 00:19:50.819
See, and this is, this is kind of okay because, like, it's over

429
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the top and it's cheesy and absurd and, like, kissing the inside.

430
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Do you remember Deanna on that boring fella from the masterpiece

431
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society?

432
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

433
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I mean, this is hot as hell in comparison.

434
00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.819
Yeah, but she just gets her leg over one night sort of thing.

435
00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.500
I don't know, we talked about that relationship.

436
00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.079
This guy's quite charming.

437
00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:10.740
He's quite funny.

438
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You know, he's, he's, he's clearly enjoying life a bit.

439
00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.099
That fellow from the masterpiece society did not enjoy life.

440
00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:18.480
No, no.

441
00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:19.140
Yeah.

442
00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.960
So, oh, dear.

443
00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:22.980
So here we are.

444
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I'm watching that high def, personally, are you watching all

445
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that?

446
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There are 3 beautifully rendered planets there.

447
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One that looks very like the earth, I must say.

448
00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:33.720
Well, and the one of the moons looks a bit like the earth.

449
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Here she is.

450
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This is the planet.

451
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Yeah.

452
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.519
So what I think is really funny.

453
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You watch Deanna, because these 2 come in from opposite, you know

454
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they deliberately come in from opposite doors of the observation

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lounge.

456
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They kind of talk.

457
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Then everyone sits down and Deanna's clearly kind of going, those

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2 have been fucking.

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I can just sense it from their emotions.

460
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And she does a little reaction, which I just think is super fun.

461
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You watch her when she sits down.

462
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I love those ships on the walls in season one. didn't they after

463
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four?

464
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Seriously.

465
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Yeah, yeah, they're not in.

466
00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.039
Yeah, look, there's Diana.

467
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She knows what's going on.

468
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You know, I feel sorry for this address.

469
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Not only because she's been given that strange hat that looks like

470
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an enormous penis on her head.

471
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She's got an extra nose.

472
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Above her other nose.

473
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Just hideous makeup that makes her look horrible.

474
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And then she's stuck.

475
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Scale 7.

476
00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:34.500
I think.

477
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Oh, you think?

478
00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:37.019
I think that might be 85.

479
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Eight, eight, five, five, at least.

480
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She's also playing this, you know, deathly serious role with space

481
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dialogue.

482
00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:47.579
And so she has no fun in this role at all.

483
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.480
No.

484
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I think, so there is something about this that I kind of like.

485
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There are a few Star Trek, the Next Generation episodes that are

486
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about taking ambassadors places.

487
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Aren't they, where our job is to take ambassadors' places, and we

488
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were talking about loud as a whisper in series 2 just before we

489
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started recording.

490
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But I think this one is so fabulously generic.

491
00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:14.700
It is generic.

492
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It's it's like Cupid's errant arrow and the people have mixed us 2

493
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and mixed us three.

494
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Remember arguing about the environmental things on the moons.

495
00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:29.519
That's all I can think of that that's what this is making fun of.

496
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You couldn't generate any interest in this at all.

497
00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:33.240
No.

498
00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:36.000
I was like, please, take me back to the cheese.

499
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:38.039
Yeah.

500
00:22:38.099 --> 00:22:42.960
So in the price where, which is another romance episode where

501
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Deanna's boning that car...

502
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.839
Oh, recently.

503
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:50.160
By accident, and that is about something interesting, you know

504
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.619
it's about an interesting space thing.

505
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.880
It's not just about a sort of They're negotiating.

506
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:58.980
They're negotiating for this wormhole, aren't they?

507
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:04.319
And you've got the guy that Troy is boning and Riker trying to

508
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:05.160
outdo each other.

509
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.400
And then Troy's in the mix because Riker still clearly fancies

510
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:08.640
it.

511
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.559
So there's so much interest going on there.

512
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:13.319
I don't think this is, apart from the fact that he is the

513
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.480
ambassador that's going to go along and sort all their problems

514
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:15.839
out.

515
00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.460
That's the only link, isn't it?

516
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:23.759
Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing is the that that job makes him

517
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.299
necessary.

518
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.220
But it's the thing you text me earlier today.

519
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.619
Why don't they send the team?

520
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:30.299
Yeah.

521
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.599
Something always happens to the ambassador, doesn't it?

522
00:23:33.660 --> 00:23:34.019
Yes.

523
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:37.799
They have a sort of great man of history thing about ambassadors

524
00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.220
you know, before revun, there was no Klingon word for peacemaker

525
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:41.759
remember?

526
00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.519
It's like they're rock star ambassadors.

527
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:48.059
I don't think there's enough scenes between Dr. Beverly and

528
00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:51.599
Counsellor Troy, just having downtime, you know, because even

529
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.099
though the dialogue is pretty ripe.

530
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:58.319
I believe the relationship, I actually have a really good

531
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.279
relationship, you know?

532
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:02.099
But I think Gates is pretty great in this too.

533
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:07.859
So, because there's a subtext of this conversation about, um, her

534
00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:12.960
being in love, it's a thing, like, she, she, I don't, I don't, at

535
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.480
least not very often, you know, she says, oh, you should treat

536
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.319
yourself sometimes.

537
00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.319
And it's clearly about you should have sex occasionally.

538
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.259
You know, especially when you haven't done so in a while.

539
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.400
Do you know what I mean?

540
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:26.640
Like, that's the subtext, which I think is sort of cute and a

541
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.380
little bit unlike Star Trek.

542
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.079
It doesn't really do subtext during this era.

543
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:33.539
But I'll tell you how far we've sort of come on, because Dr

544
00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:35.460
Beverly is a bit embarrassed by the fact that they're talking

545
00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:37.380
about boning, isn't she?

546
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.740
Whereas yeah, you skip forward away in a warrior and Dax is like

547
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.099
come on.

548
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.259
We're going to go on the holiday and we're going to fuck these

549
00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:46.740
amazing looking men and Kira's like, right, let's go.

550
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.720
So this was your glowing.

551
00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:51.480
And there was that little moment where Deanna says, I don't think

552
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.059
it's a secret that you're in love and she goes, what?

553
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.059
And I was kind of expecting the 7 of 9 thing, you know, everyone

554
00:24:57.059 --> 00:25:00.960
on deck 34 knows that you're boning, you know, oh, done or

555
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.799
whatever. 7 up 9 can make a passive aggression, sexual reference

556
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:05.700
on a dime.

557
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.339
Yeah.

558
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.619
But when was the last time we saw this?

559
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:11.819
It was in...

560
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:13.859
Oh, no, they had us.

561
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.059
Did they have a scene in Genesis?

562
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:17.339
Or was it in...

563
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.140
We haven't seen.

564
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.119
Oh, did they have a scene inside Broso?

565
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:24.119
Yeah, I think they were in their leotards and she was saying to

566
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:24.420
her.

567
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:25.319
That's in the prize.

568
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.180
I'm having the most erotic dreams.

569
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.279
Oh, yeah. my grandmother's novels.

570
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:30.599
Yeah, yuck.

571
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.980
My grandmother's diaries.

572
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:34.799
Oh, dear.

573
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.599
Well, and we've discussed this, haven't we?

574
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:39.960
The one shot romances and just why this doesn't work.

575
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.660
No, we can't work in this show just because they're not going to

576
00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:45.359
begin. are uninvestable because of the nature of the show.

577
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:46.319
Yeah.

578
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:50.819
But I think Gates, like this is Gates more like Gates.

579
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:51.359
Look at that.

580
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:52.140
Look at her smile.

581
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.460
She's beautiful.

582
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.880
You know, and she's kind of boring as the doctor, but when she's

583
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:57.900
given something else to do.

584
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.559
She's actually pretty great and that's what we saw in Picard.

585
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:04.079
When she has to chill out, that's when she's fun.

586
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.900
Yeah, she's teaching data to dance and stuff like that.

587
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.480
Yeah, that's the problem with this whole show.

588
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.059
Everyone has a massive stick up there, Bart.

589
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.240
And it's, you know, we don't have that on Strange New Worlds.

590
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:16.500
Everyone's chilled and relaxed.

591
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.559
We don't really have it on Deep Space 9, even though it's from the

592
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.640
same era as this.

593
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:23.339
Stocking of stick up butts.

594
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.359
Here's Captain Picard.

595
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:25.259
Yeah.

596
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:28.019
Although he has a sort of weird moment here.

597
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.099
Yeah, yeah.

598
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.240
Yeah.

599
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:33.900
And like even when Riker is playing Odarn.

600
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.500
Like Odarn is more relaxed than the Starfleet crew.

601
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:42.420
And Riker's kind of body language, which is, you know, he's very

602
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:46.500
upright and stuff, but he also, you know, is always putting his

603
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:48.539
foot on the chair and all of that sort of stuff.

604
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.200
But he really relaxes when he's playing Odarn.

605
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.980
I thought that was, I mean, I thought that was a pretty good

606
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:56.279
turn.

607
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.900
I could see a difference between how he characterises Rikers.

608
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:01.319
Yes.

609
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:05.759
But what I couldn't see was the theme that makes O'Darn.

610
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:11.160
You see, the thing is that for this to work, Riker and Odarn have

611
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.079
to visibly be the same person.

612
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.059
And I don't think they are at all.

613
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.460
It's just Riker plays it different.

614
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:21.660
When the woman comes in in the last scene and she sort of walks

615
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:21.839
away.

616
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.680
I'm seeing the same moton from the beginning there, isn't that the

617
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.400
language?

618
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:31.680
Yeah, I think she does a better job of being this guy than Riker

619
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:31.920
does.

620
00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:36.119
It would be so much more interesting if instead of Riker, it had

621
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:37.980
been the woman during that segment of the episode.

622
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.460
And Dr. Beverly choosing to be with the woman.

623
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.079
That would have been just amazing.

624
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:47.160
Yeah, I mean, they were too cowardly to do that, you know, and

625
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.519
it's network TV in the 1990s. and I was going to look this up.

626
00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:53.519
There were gay characters in fucking network television in the

627
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.000
19th.

628
00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:55.019
They just didn't want to...

629
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.240
There is a quote on memory alpha, that the merest hint of

630
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.819
homosexuality and, you know, there were complaints.

631
00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.859
Rick Burman was, yeah, after...

632
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:03.359
It's a kiss on the hand, you know?

633
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:04.200
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:07.559
But then again, you know, you skip forward to rejoins, they can do

635
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.640
it in 90s trek.

636
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.279
Yeah, but again, that's pretty low stakes.

637
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:13.559
It's 2 beautiful women kissing and stuff like that.

638
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:18.119
It's like the least offensive Kind of homosexuality you can do on

639
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:18.660
television.

640
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.819
Judging at Dax and the poor queen.

641
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.900
Yeah, yeah.

642
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.940
So Do you know the HD does no favour to Data's foundation?

643
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.339
No, I can see it flaky.

644
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.500
He's got lots of blocked paws.

645
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.640
So I'm wondering maybe we should keep DS line away from HD.

646
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:36.839
Yeah, yeah.

647
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.819
There's a latex in there.

648
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.299
There's plenty of HD Star Trek to watch, if that's what you want

649
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:42.660
to watch.

650
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:45.359
We could keep this standard definition.

651
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:47.099
Do you remember in Sub Rosa?

652
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.700
Obviously, Bentley Crusher's having the time of her life, you know

653
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.019
all gusting all over the place.

654
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.880
And then you've got scenes with Picard.

655
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.700
It just seems overtly serious and stiff.

656
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.299
I feel like the same thing happens in this episode, every time we

657
00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:01.200
come back to Picard.

658
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:03.660
I'm like, man, you need to chill out a bit in your world.

659
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.700
Yeah, well he's all work here.

660
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.079
I think there is something interesting in the scene that he has

661
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.380
with Beverly in his ready room later.

662
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.200
I think that there's something interesting going on there, I

663
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:16.440
think.

664
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.680
It's like, again, it's not until you get to like Picard.

665
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:21.240
And I know we're 20 years later.

666
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.900
TV's come on. and they've nurtured their relationships offscreen

667
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:25.859
in the interim.

668
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.359
But it's just so relaxed between the pool and believable, you

669
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:30.539
know?

670
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:36.180
But remember these people are their jobs in this show and in

671
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:37.319
Picard, their people.

672
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.640
They're not their jobs.

673
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:39.839
Absolutely not.

674
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:43.319
That's why I had a strange reaction to series 3 opening up.

675
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:44.519
I was like who are these people?

676
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.019
Yeah, that's right.

677
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:47.279
Yeah, yeah.

678
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:48.539
And you get hints of it.

679
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.559
You do get hints of it.

680
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:51.539
And they do relax towards the end of the run.

681
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.640
So this is the thing that doesn't stay, isn't it?

682
00:29:56.700 --> 00:30:01.380
So trills can't transport here and they have latex stomachs.

683
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.339
Okay, that was clever.

684
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.259
That was a, that was a shot straight up with her, her robe clothes

685
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:08.099
her medical robe.

686
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.140
Yes, that wasn't too bad.

687
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.700
That was that was not too bad.

688
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.339
We missed a bit where Patrick Stewart stands in front of her.

689
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.819
I hope not.

690
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.500
I think it's a bit later.

691
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.640
But she does start wearing this blue jacket over her.

692
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:25.619
Much like Roxanne does when she's pregnant during the Runner

693
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.440
Voyager and she has that jacket with the tools in it.

694
00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:31.259
What side with Roxanne is they do write her out of a lot.

695
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.640
She doesn't get a lot to do in that season.

696
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.920
Well, 7's just come in as well.

697
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:37.440
So they've got a new female character that can sort of give

698
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.619
because heaven forbid we have 2 female characters getting a lot of

699
00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:40.920
attention.

700
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.740
So funny, isn't it?

701
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.220
Think about strangely worlds and the majority female cast.

702
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.079
Except Nurser Gower's face.

703
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.059
She's like, geez, that latex looks shit.

704
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.619
Yeah, yeah.

705
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.160
Well, it's this shot up his nose where you can see like they've

706
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.420
given him kind of wrinkles in the thing above his eye, like below

707
00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:01.019
his eyebrows.

708
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:01.619
It looks terrible.

709
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.000
Do you know that later?

710
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:04.380
My lover stomach did that.

711
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.700
It would put me right off.

712
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.619
Yeah, yeah.

713
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:13.500
Yeah, so, so this is the big reveal.

714
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.460
And it's the 1st use the word joined to describe them. and

715
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:18.599
symbient.

716
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:19.680
Yep, yeah.

717
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:23.640
And they do say at one point, we'll contact the trill.

718
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.900
So they know of the trill.

719
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.980
Yeah, but they only know, they don't know very much about the

720
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:29.640
trill.

721
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.660
So none of them know this.

722
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:37.079
Which makes no sense later on when you learn the curves of Dax was

723
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.460
responsible for, you know, the Klingon peace treaty, the

724
00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:41.880
Federation.

725
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.960
But, you know, like, okay, so maybe they don't know the trill very

727
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.940
well, but there's one rock star trill.

728
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.140
Another rock star ambassador, you know, who can do anything. you

729
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:52.319
know?

730
00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:54.119
Apparently he went around having a lot of sex as well.

731
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.640
Maybe that's just a quirk of the job, you know, you get to go all

732
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.940
these fabulous starships and chat all the ladies and have sex with

733
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:03.119
them.

734
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.779
Yeah, so now that Odar is dead.

735
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:15.000
And I just, again, so there are things that don't survive.

736
00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:16.140
Are there, aren't they?

737
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.839
And so obviously the makeup is different.

738
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.299
The transporter thing is different.

739
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:27.480
And the other thing that's different is that the personality is in

740
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.779
the slug octopus thing.

741
00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:32.819
Yes. and not in the host.

742
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:36.240
And I think they change... do.

743
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:38.940
It's a conjoining of the 2 personalities in the end.

744
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.799
But why do they change it, do you think?

745
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:46.440
I think probably that this is slightly icky, and there's something

746
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.000
a little bit awful about Kareel reporting for duty with that flat

747
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.500
voice in order to just be completely taken over by Odarn.

748
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.359
So it's like the hosts are like slaves or they don't have any

749
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.640
because Riker's completely suppressed when he's when the host, when

750
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:06.779
he's hosting Odarn.

751
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.880
There's no Riker there, it's just Odarn.

752
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:10.680
It's not a, you know.

753
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:14.579
And so there's a kind of slavery thing or something.

754
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.940
Yeah, explicitly stated, is it?

755
00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:19.380
No, no, no, no, no, no.

756
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.579
But there is something like exploiting these people. is very

757
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:24.839
monotonous.

758
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.180
And then all of a sudden she's emoting in the last scene.

759
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.039
Yeah, that's right.

760
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.220
And so, and what's more interesting.

761
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.579
And because as well, this episode wants so done to be the same

762
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:38.220
person all the way along for the 3 hosts.

763
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.700
For this to work, it's like, how is Beverly going to cope having a

764
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.079
relationship with these 3 different people?

765
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.279
Where at?

766
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:46.920
If it was a mixture of the two, then it would be a unique person

767
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:47.640
each time.

768
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.720
Yes, that's right.

769
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.000
And she'd say, well, I'm not in love with you because you're, you

770
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.299
know, William O'Donn or, you know, whatever.

771
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.220
God, look at that puppet.

772
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.140
What they take away eventually is.

773
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.480
You know, it's a bit...

774
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:00.900
What is it?

775
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:03.960
You know, kind of scary way.

776
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:06.960
No, no, I don't need to see a doctor.

777
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:07.380
Don't worry.

778
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.360
Why is it got a blue ring octopus thing happening?

779
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.460
Yeah, they lose all of that as well.

780
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.059
That sort of, you know, that magma effect. at the end there.

781
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.659
It's just a worm come DS9.

782
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.019
Yeah.

783
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:20.699
It doesn't even pulp something.

784
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:25.800
But what they go for in the end is that the host comes in and it

785
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.219
does sort of attempt to dominate, like Jad See, yeah.

786
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.659
And then what it does is it accentuates her positive character

787
00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:34.199
strengths.

788
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.619
So the 2 come together and, you know, she's just, it actually's

789
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:38.099
amazing, you know?

790
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.659
But it's also the opposite.

791
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.380
You know, like only the very best people get to be joined.

792
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.380
Only the very most with how well now I know.

793
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.579
That's the secret, yeah.

794
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:47.880
Yeah.

795
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:48.300
Yeah.

796
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.840
Yeah.

797
00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:51.239
But not everyone does get to be joined.

798
00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:52.440
Yeah.

799
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.239
Asary Dax does, you know.

800
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.699
She doesn't want it, but no.

801
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:02.219
Well, that's a 2nd, um, that's the 1st trill joining that happens

802
00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:06.239
as a result of an accident because of course Adira becomes, um

803
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:11.760
Tal's host through that accident that happens to Gray.

804
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.739
See, that's another thing too, because again, here's the trill in

805
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:22.619
an episode that is about identity and about belonging and about

806
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:27.900
love in a much, much more interesting way than the host is.

807
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.440
That episode, is it, but to connect?

808
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:36.659
Maybe, which had Adira and Gray go to the trill home world, and it

809
00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:41.579
uses the trill in an interesting way to say something.

810
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.960
And the whole episode is about connecting and belonging and

811
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.340
finding a place to be.

812
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.760
And a deer finds a place where they can be where they can belong.

813
00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:55.980
Do you know what I mean, among all of those other hosts?

814
00:35:56.219 --> 00:36:00.480
And it's very beautiful in a way that is very cheesy.

815
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:05.340
Well, then I think rejoined is very moving as well and uses the

816
00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:05.880
premise.

817
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:09.659
And I think a lot of it is down to the acting in rejoice. because

818
00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:12.300
they're just such strong performers and the relationship feels

819
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:12.780
very real.

820
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:18.300
You see, Riker's got the hairy chest that Odan had the previous

821
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.139
Odan.

822
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.579
He's like showing off now, isn't he?

823
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:21.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

824
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.519
He kind of like, I've still got the hairy chase off.

825
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:24.900
This poor woman on the screen.

826
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.760
I do feel for it.

827
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.380
Yeah.

828
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.199
It's the sort of the opposite of, you remember when I said with

829
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.599
Louise Fletcher and she gets that fabulous tea caddy and she's

830
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.340
like, oh, let me wear it.

831
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.239
I'll embody it.

832
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:39.239
This woman's going, oh, I got to wear this hat, honestly.

833
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.760
For it.

834
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:45.780
Your costume's hanging up in the wardrobe just there, you know

835
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:46.679
we'll see you in 10 minutes.

836
00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:48.599
Bless her.

837
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:49.739
Paul Wolf hasn't done anything.

838
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.980
No, this is his turn to get just sort of shout out the occasional

839
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:57.420
line about the shields, I think.

840
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:00.900
And who knows what all those extras are doing on the back

841
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.380
consoles?

842
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.260
Yeah, yeah, they're just pressing for vital work.

843
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.300
The functioning of the enterprise.

844
00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:10.139
So do you not think he's a bit creepy now?

845
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.699
though, the way he just sort of stares at her a lot and he's quite

846
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:15.780
insistent, isn't he?

847
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.380
Well, except that they're just not talking about it.

848
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:20.219
Do you know what I mean?

849
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.460
Like, they've been in this relationship and, you know, it was very

850
00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:25.139
quick and whatever, but it was fun.

851
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.699
They were having fun and stuff like that.

852
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.340
And then suddenly she's not talking to him anymore and he doesn't

853
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:30.539
quite know why.

854
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.880
And he hasn't done anything wrong.

855
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.719
And so she can't be a grown-up about it.

856
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:38.099
Like, he's right.

857
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.000
Why is she not talking to him about this?

858
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:43.800
And he is leering a bit, I guess.

859
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:46.980
You know, like it would have been okay for...

860
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.420
This is new for me.

861
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.920
I don't quite understand.

862
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.199
But he's saying, well, that's new to me. don't get it either.

863
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:58.199
And I think there's some sort of slight bullshit here. where, oh

864
00:37:58.199 --> 00:37:59.460
you didn't mention it to anyone.

865
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.440
He says, well, no, that's normal for me.

866
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:04.559
I'm just a joined thing and that's what all my people are.

867
00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:06.239
It's kind of yeah, but you've met other people.

868
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.460
I mean, like you know that not everyone's joined.

869
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.019
What's why not mention it?

870
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.960
What I would probably do if I was in Odan situation.

871
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:16.619
I can't believe I'm going to say this. is I would probably say to

872
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:19.079
her, 1st of all, like, how do you feel about this?

873
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:22.260
At the start of this scene, he is just leering at her.

874
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.219
Then he tries to, he's trying to touch her hands and it's not the

875
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:28.260
same person she's been having a relationship with, like, you

876
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:28.380
know.

877
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.400
Well, but it is as far as he's concerned, but I think because this

878
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.119
is what, 1991, I want to say, or something around about then.

879
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:39.480
And there is a kind of weirdness.

880
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.320
Like I found myself on edge about how consent was working here.

881
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:44.280
Do you know what I mean?

882
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:49.440
And the thing where, does he, she come into his quarters and stuff

883
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.980
and he says, you, if you're going to leave, you really need to

884
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:55.019
leave. not leaving.

885
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.079
So there's something very cute about this, but I don't know what

886
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:01.559
it's about.

887
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.760
So I'm firstly, I'm absolutely massively distracted by how much

888
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.219
fucking makeup they put Gates in.

889
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.579
She's got so much culture on, isn't she?

890
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.579
Yeah, it's because she looks like death because she's about to

891
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:15.179
give birth.

892
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:16.260
Maybe.

893
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.679
Throw some slap on her, quick, we can't shoot her like this.

894
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:25.079
But she's actually, she's selling this cheesy speech, and I love

895
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.940
the detail of huge breathtaking metal sculptures, and I don't know

896
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:31.679
what the story is.

897
00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:35.280
Part of the problem, I think, is both of these are stories about

898
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:40.440
how they want men to protect them and worship them and stuff.

899
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:41.400
I don't understand.

900
00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.619
It's very kind of...

901
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:44.460
Deanna talks about it.

902
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.880
Yeah, dad put in his arms around her making her feel safe.

903
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:51.900
Yeah, yeah, it does relate to Beverly's story as well.

904
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.639
But yeah, again, it's 1991 and it's a very...

905
00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:00.539
And in fact, I do think that Deanna speech is beautiful because it

906
00:40:00.539 --> 00:40:06.119
is my father died and I never got to experience that from him

907
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.940
again, but that's not happened to you.

908
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.800
Like, Odan's not dead.

909
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:11.940
You can go over there.

910
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.659
He's there.

911
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.659
You know, it's, it's amazing.

912
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.900
This is the only speech, in fact, for the Beverly speech that even

913
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:22.019
approaches what the episode should be about, isn't it?

914
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.179
He's had his face.

915
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:25.320
I see my friend.

916
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.000
Yeah, what did I love?

917
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:28.980
Like, you know?

918
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.960
And that's a good question.

919
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:33.239
If they really examined that in a relationship.

920
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.380
What is it that you love?

921
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.400
Is it how someone looks?

922
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:36.420
Is it how they behave?

923
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:37.619
Yeah.

924
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.460
But because they can't have real proper dialogue between lovers

925
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:43.139
you know, they can't just talk normally.

926
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.440
You know, think about how Book and Michael talk to one another.

927
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.900
Like, they're not constantly talking about their feelings for each

928
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:49.079
other.

929
00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:50.880
No one touches my peppers.

930
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:51.659
Okay.

931
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.400
That says more, that one line than this entire episode.

932
00:40:56.460 --> 00:40:57.360
Yeah.

933
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:05.699
And the weird, creepy way comes in the room now and stares at her

934
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:07.800
for the entire length of this dialogue scene.

935
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:11.159
And then when she turns around, he's just and the camera sort of

936
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.880
slowly goes in on him, just staring at her in a creepy way.

937
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:19.860
So do you know the the Twitter account Riker Googling?

938
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:26.639
where it's various, so, it's just various webs, like, it's, the

939
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.320
thing is, imagine Riker is typing into the Twitter input box by

940
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.639
accident instead of the Google box, instead of the Google input

941
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.059
box.

942
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.340
And so we see all of the things that Riker Googles.

943
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.900
It's really, really funny.

944
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:44.639
And it uses as its avatar that shot of Riker looking yearningly

945
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.500
across 10 foot.

946
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.820
I dreamt of saying what Riker would Google actually, given some of

947
00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:51.900
the stuff he gets so funny.

948
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:58.320
If Twitter is still a going concern when we finish recording, you

949
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.639
should go and have a look for it.

950
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:04.139
The psychological ramifications of being turned into a simian.

951
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.880
It's very funny.

952
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.260
It is very good.

953
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.519
You could have a lot of fun with it, actually.

954
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.659
Like that thing there is almost a good speech.

955
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.900
And again, I can feel the connection between the 2 characters

956
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:19.139
here.

957
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:19.920
Yeah.

958
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.920
But again, like, let's think Bechdel test.

959
00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:25.980
You know, the 2 of them have only ever talked about this man when

960
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.000
they've been together, you know, like, and the Bechdail test is

961
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.780
obviously a sort of blunt instrument for this sort of thing, but

962
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:35.099
it does capture something here.

963
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.920
There are only 2 female characters with names.

964
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:39.179
Close-up.

965
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:40.800
It goes on forever.

966
00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:46.380
And the music is, it swells. traumatic degree. wonderful.

967
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:51.960
It's really funny because I was kind of listening to the music

968
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:57.539
play into the into the ad breaks and stuff and just being sort of

969
00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:58.559
super annoyed by that.

970
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:04.139
But just how cheesy and strings and synth pipe and stuff is what

971
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:04.679
you said.

972
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:08.760
You know, the music is so cheesily romantic.

973
00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:10.679
Send you that scene, you made it on the chat.

974
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.719
Just so you can hear again.

975
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:13.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

976
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:14.400
So funny.

977
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:15.960
The dreadful music.

978
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.400
Oh, yeah.

979
00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:18.239
Do you know what, right?

980
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:20.579
You can't give you a quote from Brannan Bragger.

981
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.500
He's got something to say about this episode, you know.

982
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.820
He characterised the genesis of this episode as the most repulsive

983
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:28.920
story ever pitched to us.

984
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:33.480
It doesn't go into any more detail than that, but he adds, being

985
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.340
in love with somebody is not very fresh.

986
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.420
Having it, the parasite as a host is, it was not originally

987
00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:40.559
pitched as a love story.

988
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.340
It was pitched as a squirmy worm who's really the intelligence.

989
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.260
So this is Jerry Taylor.

990
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.760
Jerry Taylor has added the love story.

991
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:52.079
Yeah, but she's right to do it because there's nothing here

992
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.860
otherwise.

993
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.059
Do you know what I mean?

994
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:54.840
Like who cares?

995
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:58.619
He's an ambassador to people from the planet Zog. to prevent them

996
00:43:58.619 --> 00:43:59.760
from killing one another?

997
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:00.780
We really don't care.

998
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.000
So the love story is the only thing that keeps us going.

999
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:09.119
But Jerry Taylor can't ring anything interesting out of the love

1000
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:09.659
story.

1001
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.559
Can I say the disinterest with which these 2 gentlemen play these

1002
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:14.519
alien characters?

1003
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.760
They may as well be the Beaumont in this scene.

1004
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:22.800
Where, yeah, but it's sort of, it's cheesy and boring and it's the

1005
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.659
usual backstory thing, isn't it?

1006
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.119
The one thing that is interesting is the conceit that they think

1007
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.940
that Odan was his, like the previous ambassador who solved their

1008
00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:39.840
problems was this guy's father when it turns out it was just his

1009
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:40.920
previous host.

1010
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:47.760
And that reinforces the idea that the hosts, like, that Odan's

1011
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.880
hosts are men, you know, that he comes from a series of men.

1012
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:55.019
And so that does help to sell the twist, that it's a woman at the

1013
00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:55.739
end.

1014
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.320
I'm seeing this without, obviously, I'm not hearing the dialogue

1015
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.579
while we're doing the commentary.

1016
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.800
And he is playing it very differently.

1017
00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:05.639
I know there's a relaxedness to Rike it usually, but it doesn't

1018
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.760
normally lean back in his chair like that. with his hair flopping

1019
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:09.239
over his face.

1020
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:11.579
And he's, yeah, his hair's different.

1021
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.119
His legs are more open, like he's just a little bit more kind of

1022
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:15.539
chill.

1023
00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:20.219
And he's also got that sort of terrible sallow makeup because

1024
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:22.619
they're trying to sell that he's unwell.

1025
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:26.460
Costume designers on the Next Generation won awards for their

1026
00:45:26.460 --> 00:45:26.699
work.

1027
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.500
I hope it was in this episode.

1028
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.860
I think it was the Klingon stuff.

1029
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.639
That's what won the awards. hats aren't terrible, aren't they?

1030
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:42.420
Yeah, I actually kind of like the angry guy, like angry guy in the

1031
00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:43.199
green outfit.

1032
00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:43.980
I think he's pretty great.

1033
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:50.280
I am completely obsessed with the trivia that I learn on memory

1034
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:50.820
alpha.

1035
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.719
Do you know, this is the only episode of Next Generation where an

1036
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.300
officer on the bridge asks the computer what the time is.

1037
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.820
Yes, we'll see it later, I think.

1038
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:02.820
I think it might be Picard who does it. can't remember. somebody

1039
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:04.199
has spent time in their life.

1040
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:06.300
Writing out that sentence on memory alpha.

1041
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.139
Yeah, yeah.

1042
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:11.340
No, look, those things that we have to be grateful for the memory

1043
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:12.119
are for people.

1044
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:15.300
This is an entire, we don't have to worry about Star Trek.

1045
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.260
Well, that I would have just never have dreamed possible.

1046
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:25.440
The 1st thing I ever saw on the internet, my friend Matthew showed

1047
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.420
me a Star Trek the Next Generation program guide in postscript

1048
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:35.219
that we were able to print out on a laser printer and I had in a

1049
00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:39.960
binder and it had cast and crew and synopsis and trivia of every

1050
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:40.739
single episode.

1051
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.219
It was the 1st thing that I ever used the internet for way back in

1052
00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:45.960
like 1993 or something.

1053
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.539
You may have peed with the Internet there, you know.

1054
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:49.679
That may have been your opinion.

1055
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:51.480
It might have been.

1056
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:57.360
Now it's just full of tosses talking about science fiction TV

1057
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.820
shows, I think. as you know.

1058
00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:03.780
Oh, there was a great quote from Jonathan Breaks here.

1059
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.719
Look, the episode had to be shot in such a way that we couldn't

1060
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:07.320
see her stomach.

1061
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.440
They would not address the fact that the actress was pregnant.

1062
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.699
It was an interesting problem.

1063
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.179
You really found yourself more concerned with hiding her with

1064
00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:19.199
furniture or with your body and shooting her from the boobs up.

1065
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:23.159
It was very, because it was a very just restrictive way of

1066
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:23.519
directing.

1067
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.019
Yeah, well, he's starting to think like a director, I think, at

1068
00:47:28.019 --> 00:47:28.920
this point, isn't he?

1069
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:33.480
I guess, being in these scenes and having to kind of shoot around

1070
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:33.900
her.

1071
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.320
Yeah, see, that scene was slightly interesting.

1072
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.579
Interesting problem.

1073
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:39.360
Sorry, which scene?

1074
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:43.679
Well, doesn't he say, please let me touch you and she says, no, and

1075
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.300
then leaves, you know, and yeah, like, at least he's asking.

1076
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.739
He's asking.

1077
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.619
It's all kind of consensual and stuff and he is careful.

1078
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:56.820
And, you know, perhaps that's more progressive than other TV at

1079
00:47:56.820 --> 00:48:00.360
the time, but it still comes across as a little bit awkward and

1080
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.940
you know, kind of treading on the line a bit.

1081
00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:07.079
I can't help but notice you and I have talked very little about

1082
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.000
the subplot on the alien planet.

1083
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.360
Yeah, because there's nothing to it, is there?

1084
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.219
Like, it's just there.

1085
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.940
We need a reason to keep Odan alive.

1086
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:22.019
We need a reason to transplant him into Riker, and it's because

1087
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:23.760
this job needs to be done.

1088
00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:29.159
That's got to be the crisis and then the trill get delayed or

1089
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:29.639
whatever.

1090
00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:34.619
And the, that plot allows the crisis to happen by having some

1091
00:48:34.619 --> 00:48:37.079
dissident, you know, fire on the shuttle or whatever.

1092
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.320
So this is the old but she's here, right?

1093
00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:43.739
So we cut between Odan's quarters, where he's thinking about Dr

1094
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:47.760
Beverly and Dr. Beverly's quarters, where she's thinking about...

1095
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:50.519
And then, you know, it sort of ramps up and ramps up, then she

1096
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.719
comes flying through his doors, and he's like, if you're going to

1097
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.559
go, go now, because I really want to kiss you, and she goes, I am

1098
00:48:58.559 --> 00:48:59.219
not leaving.

1099
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.119
I'm going.

1100
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:05.159
I think I've seen that on murder she wrote, you know, a couple of

1101
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:05.460
times.

1102
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.239
Yeah, and the stupid replicator doesn't even make balso, Tommy

1103
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.199
tonic, for God's sake.

1104
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:10.800
What's wrong?

1105
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.739
I do wonder if Jerry Taylor's had a romance, you know, if it's

1106
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.219
been like this.

1107
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.940
But look at the, like, or maybe she reads lots of, like, I read

1108
00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:19.199
romance novels.

1109
00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:21.239
I'll admit it.

1110
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:23.039
But like hot gay ones, I hope.

1111
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:24.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.760
Yeah, I'm not reading heterosexual stuff that's so played.

1113
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:28.679
But...

1114
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:36.719
I tried recently, you know, I got a chapter and I was like, no, I

1115
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:37.139
can't do this.

1116
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:38.280
No, I'm done.

1117
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:38.820
Yeah.

1118
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.079
Yeah.

1119
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.780
Oh here we go.

1120
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.059
And Paul Frakes and McFadden.

1121
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.039
They must have been like, how are we gonna play this?

1122
00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

1123
00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:51.119
Well, I think that's the problem a little bit, isn't it?

1124
00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:53.400
Because this is weird.

1125
00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:57.480
Like, again, it's Star Trek doesn't do subtext.

1126
00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.199
Um, and so there's something really sort of awkward about this.

1127
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:08.699
It's super obvious, you know, it's, I don't know, it's not...

1128
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:10.320
It's not subtle enough.

1129
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:11.340
It's not obvious.

1130
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:13.739
She's doing that sort of zombie thing again where she sort of

1131
00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:14.579
looks off camera.

1132
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:20.280
It's so weird how our acting shifts. depending on whether she's

1133
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.420
comfortable in the scene or not.

1134
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:22.800
Oh, here we go.

1135
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.219
I don't think I don't think that Jonathan's very...

1136
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:27.239
No.

1137
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.099
And then, you know what?

1138
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:33.179
like, um, Renee and Nanal were not comfortable kissing in his

1139
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:33.480
way.

1140
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:35.039
Fuck me, they go for it.

1141
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.500
That scene on the promenade.

1142
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.119
I mean, that snug lasts about 10 minutes.

1143
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.940
Yeah, the half his face comes off.

1144
00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:43.380
It's true.

1145
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.579
She goes, a loose romantic kiss because his rubbery mouth ripped

1146
00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:47.820
off.

1147
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:48.960
I was like, all the way.

1148
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.639
Is this the same you was talking about between Picard and Beverly

1149
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:54.059
Crusher?

1150
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.980
Yeah, because there's something there, you know, like there isn't

1151
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:01.860
very much backstory between the characters, but the 2 characters

1152
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:04.800
that do have the backstory are her and him.

1153
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:11.039
And we will wait until maybe is it season 7 when we get attached

1154
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.280
where we actually kind of chain them to each other and they

1155
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.139
realise their true feelings for one another.

1156
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:17.579
I think it is quite late in the run.

1157
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:18.659
It was very bored.

1158
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.239
Yeah, it is, it's not very good.

1159
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:25.920
But, um, you know, you, if you people go back and listen to our

1160
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.099
last 5 or 10 next generation episodes.

1161
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:30.360
Now you say that a lot.

1162
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:31.500
I've noticed that.

1163
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.400
There's something almost there, but it's not there.

1164
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:37.980
Now, is it the fact that this is being churned out at such a

1165
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:38.940
rate?

1166
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.360
They can't really write these scripts with any sort of depth or

1167
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:42.960
substance.

1168
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:46.860
Yeah, and I also think they're just not very brave.

1169
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.860
I think that they find because is it is it kind of PTSD after

1170
00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:58.320
seasons one and two, which do more weird things, but which fuck up

1171
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.980
on a really spectacularly regular basis?

1172
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.739
I think they're almost more entertaining, though, because of it.

1173
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.940
Yeah, whereas here they've found a groove and they just kind of go

1174
00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:15.960
with it and they do the same thing every week and I just think

1175
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.760
that it's less interesting.

1176
00:52:17.820 --> 00:52:19.619
And then they don't go for it.

1177
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:20.760
They don't take risks.

1178
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.559
It's really very safe, I think.

1179
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:26.099
It's such a weird dilemma to being though, to be far more

1180
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:29.400
comfortable writing, I know, a science fiction puzzle than it is

1181
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.619
just getting basic human emotions, right?

1182
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

1183
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:37.800
So we'll love something like conundrum or frame of mind or like

1184
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:39.719
that, you know, where we've got to think our way out of the

1185
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.139
episode.

1186
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.639
But 45 minutes of Dr. Beverly agonising over her lover.

1187
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.400
Yeah, is super boring.

1188
00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:52.079
See, this, where he actually stops and says, I'm your friend, and

1189
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:57.179
it's whatever else I am, I'm the man who was, you know, intimately

1190
00:52:57.179 --> 00:53:01.500
involved in the death of your husband, and then she hugs him, which

1191
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:04.139
I think is, you know, again so rare.

1192
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.280
And then that look, the look, you know, the over the shoulder look

1193
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.519
where they can't see one another's face, the way he doesn't quite

1194
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:13.320
tentatively brings his arm around as well.

1195
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:17.099
That's something that no one TNG gets right is that sort of

1196
00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:17.639
suggestion.

1197
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:19.980
That there are feelings here.

1198
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.400
And it is almost like that moonlighting thing of like, will they

1199
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:23.880
won't they?

1200
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:24.840
We know they won't.

1201
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:25.860
It's not quite as good as that.

1202
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.900
But it's quite nice that they possibly will.

1203
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.679
Yeah, because there's enough backstory between those 2 characters

1204
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:32.340
they come with that.

1205
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.300
It doesn't develop beyond what we learn in the pilot, really, but

1206
00:53:36.300 --> 00:53:37.079
it is something.

1207
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.940
He does look rough.

1208
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:43.019
Now he's going to come.

1209
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:45.840
I know we talk about the light, we go, 90s track, a lot now, but

1210
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.460
the overhead lighting and all these things.

1211
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.860
It doesn't, there seems no favour whatsoever.

1212
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:51.059
No.

1213
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.420
There's no hint of a shadow in this set anywhere.

1214
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.860
Yeah, there's no texture. hunted them down and killed them.

1215
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.880
I wouldn't have a hope.

1216
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.300
Yeah.

1217
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:07.679
But and then you complain about Picard, you know, because Picard

1218
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:14.219
is so dark. but I think that part of the joy of series 3 of Picard

1219
00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:18.000
was seeing these characters underlit for a change.

1220
00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:20.579
Particular things are also fucking old.

1221
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.679
Dreadful fucking...

1222
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:24.300
But that's the other thing. too.

1223
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:26.519
That's the great fun thing is then we go back.

1224
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:32.639
It's better lit than it is in 90s trek, but it is much more evenly

1225
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.599
lit, and that's the contrast, which is kind of found...

1226
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.719
Oh, very 1st episode where we went to the alternative universe.

1227
00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:42.420
Yesterday's Enterprise and it was really dark and gorgeous.

1228
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.139
Yeah.

1229
00:54:43.139 --> 00:54:45.119
You and me were going hard.

1230
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.079
We could have had this all along.

1231
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:47.099
What's going on?

1232
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.500
I did complain about Picard being in the ready room, you know, with

1233
00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:53.400
all the lights off.

1234
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:56.099
Like he's just sitting there.

1235
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.980
He's just sort of a silhouette. wasn't he?

1236
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1237
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:02.579
His face looming out of the dark.

1238
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.800
Oh, dear, oh dear.

1239
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:07.739
Oh, we have missed a scene where, okay, just for everybody.

1240
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.119
It's about halfway through the episode.

1241
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:11.699
If you watch this, watch the scene where they're all in the ready

1242
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:15.719
room with the alien woman and Dr. Bev's right at the back of the

1243
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.800
scene and Patrick Stewart's in front of her and then she starts to

1244
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.199
move into shot and you can almost see her stomach.

1245
00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:26.280
So Patrick Stewart looks off off camera and has clearly been given

1246
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.400
a note saying, will you move to the right place and cover up us?

1247
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:31.320
So he steps right in front of her.

1248
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:33.360
So you can't see her in the shop.

1249
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:34.800
Okay.

1250
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:39.179
So here is Kareel. and she's turned up and she's speaking in a

1251
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:43.679
real flat monotone because she's going to be the new host and we

1252
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:49.079
can't feel bad about her being taken over by Odan.

1253
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:53.699
Did you notice that ship, the trill ship, is the same ship that

1254
00:55:53.699 --> 00:55:57.420
the packlids have in Samaritan Snare?

1255
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:02.699
And it's the ship that the pack led ship in Lower Decks is based

1256
00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:04.860
on as well.

1257
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.019
And look.

1258
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.579
Yeah, it is.

1259
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.380
But they only have a few models.

1260
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:11.760
You're right.

1261
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:14.820
The way Gates plays this scene, very weird.

1262
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.679
Oh, here's the thing.

1263
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:22.380
She plays it like she's angry with her. you get anger from this?

1264
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.360
Yeah, I, not, not Koreal, not Odan.

1265
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:31.139
Oh, Dan is playing it heaps like the original actor. right?

1266
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.179
I think he's in the lies, though, isn't he?

1267
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:34.500
Oh, you were there, the war.

1268
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:34.980
Well done.

1269
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.820
You know?

1270
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.440
Yeah, she's like she's snippy, you know, like he's done something

1271
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.639
wrong and like she's kind of snippy and tight lipped.

1272
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:46.199
She gives this tight little smile.

1273
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.980
She goes, oh, I've always loved you, but it's like it's really

1274
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:54.599
grudging and there's something slightly homophobic about it as

1275
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:54.780
well.

1276
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.579
It's kind of like, yeah, it just feels different. you know, we're

1277
00:56:59.579 --> 00:57:00.360
not ready for this yet.

1278
00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:02.940
What she's saying is American television is not ready for this

1279
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:03.119
yeah.

1280
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

1281
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.519
But when she says, but look, that tight smile and then she goes

1282
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.179
and when she says perhaps it's a human failing that we can't, you

1283
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:14.159
know, love has its limits or whatever.

1284
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:16.679
And this is stupid.

1285
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:18.719
Now this is stupid, right?

1286
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:22.500
She can't keep up because he's gonna be a different person every

1287
00:57:22.500 --> 00:57:23.460
week or something.

1288
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.340
And it's like, there was a fucking shuttle accident.

1289
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:30.900
You know, like your partner could be anyone's partner could be a

1290
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.880
different person after a traumatic event.

1291
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:36.539
You know, like you, you sign up in sickness and health or

1292
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:36.900
whatever.

1293
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.099
And that's a thing.

1294
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.000
That could happen.

1295
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:41.880
You know, some terrible thing could happen and your partner

1296
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:42.360
changes.

1297
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.719
Your partner gets older as you get older.

1298
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:47.760
Like people change.

1299
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:49.619
This is not unusual.

1300
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:50.639
Do you know what I mean?

1301
00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:55.860
Yeah, if her partner turned out to be trans, that would be it.

1302
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.840
You can handle this, so sorry.

1303
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.579
But, and you know, for some people it is.

1304
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:03.239
Like, yes, for some people it is. and and find whatever, you know

1305
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:04.440
like I don't know what that would be like.

1306
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:06.780
I don't know how I would feel about that either.

1307
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.400
One thing I liked was when she kissed her and there's a flicker of

1308
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.579
emotion on Dr. Bev's face of like, she feels something.

1309
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.079
I don't think it's shocked.

1310
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:17.400
I think you're shock.

1311
00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:21.300
I think it's almost like, okay, I didn't expect to be turned on by

1312
00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:22.500
you getting my hand.

1313
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.960
Only, if only.

1314
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:29.340
But it's an absurd message to go out on, though.

1315
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.860
In a show that's supposed to celebrate diversity.

1316
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:37.079
But if she, like, you know, we've got to find a way of ending the

1317
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:37.980
relationship, right?

1318
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.159
Because Odan can't be in next week's episode.

1319
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:43.260
Then maybe you should be Odan saying to Dr. Bev.

1320
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.760
I'm a different person now because the host is in me and I can't

1321
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:48.360
be with you.

1322
00:58:48.420 --> 00:58:49.199
But that's the point.

1323
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:50.579
He's not a different person, is it?

1324
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:55.019
But that would leave less of a taste in your mouth than Dr

1325
00:58:55.019 --> 00:58:56.579
Beverly's saying you're a woman.

1326
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:57.239
I can't handle this.

1327
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:00.539
What if she was playing it differently?

1328
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.619
And what if...

1329
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.079
Yeah.

1330
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:08.940
You know, at the beginning of the episode where we said, well, we

1331
00:59:08.940 --> 00:59:11.219
don't, we're not convinced anyway, because they've only known each

1332
00:59:11.219 --> 00:59:13.679
other for 10 days and she's desperately in love with this man.

1333
00:59:13.739 --> 00:59:17.400
We're so far removed from anything you and I can buy into now

1334
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.760
because that worm's gone from one person to another person.

1335
00:59:20.940 --> 00:59:25.380
Add on the fact that we don't buy into the relationship at the

1336
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:25.800
beginning.

1337
00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:29.400
It's like, well, I don't understand what I'm supposed to be

1338
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:30.599
feeling now at the end.

1339
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:31.800
No, that's it.

1340
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:34.920
That's exactly it And like I kind of think that you could have

1341
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.519
played that dialogue in a way that was wistful and regretful.

1342
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.960
And she could have kind of said, you know, she could have made it

1343
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.039
clear that she's traumatised by these changes. you know what I

1344
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.219
mean?

1345
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:49.860
These accidents and these things that have happened, that

1346
00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:54.420
something went wrong and the relationship just can't survive, the

1347
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:58.559
the trauma and the change as a result, but not this, you know

1348
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:03.000
we're not ready for homosexuality. the 24th century.

1349
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:06.239
And I know this is a what if and it never would have happened.

1350
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:09.420
What I would have loved was for Odan to have said, do you know

1351
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:09.659
what?

1352
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:10.380
I can't stay.

1353
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:11.400
I've got work to do.

1354
01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:14.699
And for Dr. Bev to say, it would have been really fun to explore

1355
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:14.940
this.

1356
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.300
That would have been a much more positive in it, you know?

1357
01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:22.619
Do you know one other thing, too, that I noticed is that Odan has

1358
01:00:22.619 --> 01:00:26.639
a conversation with Picard, in which he says to Picard, do you

1359
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.980
think Beverly is all that attached to Starfleet?

1360
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.760
It's kind of like what Odan wants is what Ronan wants, which is

1361
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:39.300
for her to stop doing her job and devote herself to him full

1362
01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:39.300
time.

1363
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.320
You know, like it's kind of creepy and terrible, right, from the

1364
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:43.920
get go.

1365
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:50.760
You remember Kira's reaction to Bashir saying that it was taboo

1366
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.519
for Dax and Lenara to be together.

1367
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:55.139
Do you remember that?

1368
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.639
Kira turns around and he goes, you know, it's forbidden for old

1369
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.539
hosts to rekindle relationships and blah, blah, blah, and she goes

1370
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:04.139
straight away.

1371
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:08.340
How can it possibly be unnatural for 2 people that are in love to

1372
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:09.000
be in love?

1373
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:12.300
And so it's literally stating the opposite of this.

1374
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.119
Yeah, you know, and all right, they do go out of their way to not

1375
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:16.980
mention it's the same sexual relationship.

1376
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.980
But it's almost like no same-sex relationships on the show.

1377
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.860
But it's almost like that isn't a problem. you know?

1378
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.539
It's not even a factor.

1379
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.639
And that's a better message.

1380
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:28.679
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1381
01:01:28.739 --> 01:01:32.039
And look, when this series does homosexuality in the outcast, I

1382
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.980
remember at the time being like hugely thrilled by the fact that

1383
01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:35.579
it came up.

1384
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.840
But now I'm just kind of annoyed that it's an issue episode and

1385
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.500
it's an episode of the evil lesbians who persecute people for

1386
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:47.159
being heterosexual, you know, like it's kind of like, oh, come on

1387
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:48.480
you know, like you did this.

1388
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:51.239
Don't blame lesbians for homophobia.

1389
01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:53.579
You know what's doing it.

1390
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.179
Ira Bear over on DS9 in that documentary.

1391
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.420
They're like, yes, you know, you had a gay character, Garak, tick

1392
01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:02.460
and Arabeg goes, no, no, no, you take that tick away.

1393
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.719
He goes, you rub that out.

1394
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:05.579
We could have done better.

1395
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.260
We should have run with that.

1396
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:11.039
Like, we were weak to not do it and to listen to the studio

1397
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:11.820
execs.

1398
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:15.059
And, you know, they flirt with it and they have, you know, Jesus, I

1399
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:18.900
love those scenes between Terry Farrell and, um, oh, what's

1400
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:20.820
someone that's name, you know, and let he who is without seeing

1401
01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:22.619
Vanessa Williams.

1402
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.440
Yeah, where they're doing the pottery together and they've got

1403
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.019
their arms around each other in the swimming costumes and stuff.

1404
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:30.000
And Wolf walks in appalled.

1405
01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:31.199
Like, what is going on?

1406
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:35.039
So they do flirt with it.

1407
01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:36.900
But it's still it's not good enough.

1408
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.219
No.

1409
01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:41.940
And I think the reaction, the sort of, oh, Star Trek is so woke

1410
01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:45.960
reaction to Kurtzman trick, which is getting it right, you know

1411
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.480
displaying full diversity.

1412
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:52.980
It's those people that watched this and thought this was good

1413
01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:54.840
enough and it wasn't good enough.

1414
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:56.579
No, no.

1415
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.940
And again, we've said before that this is Star Trek.

1416
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.519
90 Star Trek is generally embarrassed about, for all of the kind

1417
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.000
of talk, is a bit embarrassed about this sort of socialist utopia

1418
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.219
thing, about federation morality.

1419
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:16.380
And Kurtzman Trek, you know, despite what people feared in series

1420
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:22.679
one of discovery. wholeheartedly embraces it, I think. and uses

1421
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:26.099
Star Trek as a vehicle for telling stories about queer people for

1422
01:03:26.099 --> 01:03:26.880
the 1st time ever.

1423
01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:31.260
What's sad is, I say to you, it's not in flirting with it, and it

1424
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.739
did, but by the time you get to Voyager, I can't think of a single

1425
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:38.579
same-sex moment in Voyager, and I can't think of a single same-sex

1426
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:39.719
moment in Enterprise.

1427
01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:45.000
So when Bragger and Berman are completely in charge of 2 shows

1428
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.280
it's a, it's a gay wash.

1429
01:03:47.340 --> 01:03:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

1430
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.719
Oh, and I think too, they are conservative.

1431
01:03:51.780 --> 01:03:54.420
I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that voyagers

1432
01:03:54.420 --> 01:03:59.400
politics are inherently xenophobic and conservative and the same

1433
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.659
with enterprise and we've talked about both of those things.

1434
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.659
And, you know, like I still love both of those shows, even

1435
01:04:06.659 --> 01:04:07.800
Enterprise.

1436
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:13.199
But I don't love them because they're into that utopian vision

1437
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.500
that somehow has become associated with Star Trek.

1438
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.800
No, you love them because they're silly Star Trek shows.

1439
01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:22.079
Yeah, exactly.

1440
01:04:22.139 --> 01:04:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah.

1441
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.860
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1442
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:36.780
work out what we're going to watch next.

1443
01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:40.380
It's my go on the randomiser.

1444
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.800
Could you possibly find an episode with a gay character in it

1445
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:43.920
please?

1446
01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:48.420
Uh, I doubt it because we are going to watch Star Trek

1447
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:49.440
Enterprise.

1448
01:04:51.059 --> 01:04:55.199
We've got no opening. absolutely no chance at all.

1449
01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:57.420
Why Enterprise now?

1450
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:02.880
It is slightly underrepresented in untitled Star Trek Project, and

1451
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:10.139
this week we saw an episode of Strange New World that ended with

1452
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:15.119
what was a little bit of a love letter to Star Trek Enterprise.

1453
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:19.019
And one of the things that we've always said about Kurtzman Trek

1454
01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:24.780
is that it loves and embraces all of Trek and Enterprise is no

1455
01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:25.320
exception.

1456
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:30.539
And so having the crew of the Enterprise, the original Enterprise

1457
01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:36.179
from Strange New Worlds, geeking out about the crew of the NXO one

1458
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:39.599
having Ahura, about admiration for Hoshi.

1459
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:41.400
She talked 30 languages, you know.

1460
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:42.599
Yeah, yeah.

1461
01:05:42.659 --> 01:05:48.119
Like all of that was really lovely and warm and it was kind of a

1462
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:52.380
fun way of showing that they were the same as Boimler and Mariner

1463
01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:53.760
who geek out about them.

1464
01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:56.280
You know, it's it was very cute.

1465
01:05:56.340 --> 01:05:58.079
So wonderful that episode.

1466
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.739
And honestly, those two, Tawny Newsome and Dennis...

1467
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:05.699
Sorry, tennis Quane.

1468
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.280
Effortless.

1469
01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:11.280
Just, yeah, skipping into life action.

1470
01:06:11.340 --> 01:06:12.780
And his boy...

1471
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.239
I mean, I thought she was good. he was excellent.

1472
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

1473
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.400
The way was, was just like boy blur, the way he ran down the

1474
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.460
corridor away from number one was just like, boy, blah, blah.

1475
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.460
I'm like, how are they possibly going to pull off these comic

1476
01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:28.500
characters in this show?

1477
01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:29.940
And it works.

1478
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.880
And they did it without distorting the characters at all.

1479
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:34.500
They were still those comic characters.

1480
01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:37.440
They were still the same. sequence done in animation.

1481
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.280
Oh my god.

1482
01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:41.460
Oh, that thing that's...

1483
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:44.099
The thing that sucks on the Cerritos thing?

1484
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:45.360
I thought of you immediately.

1485
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:47.820
Oh, it was just heaven.

1486
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:48.539
It was wonderful.

1487
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:49.980
So good. wonderful.

1488
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.199
So we're not watching that unfortunately.

1489
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:53.400
No, we're not watching that.

1490
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:56.159
We're going to watch it on the randomiser.

1491
01:06:56.219 --> 01:06:58.079
Inferior iteration of stuff.

1492
01:06:58.139 --> 01:06:59.159
We are.

1493
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:05.099
But we were reminded by Strangely Worlds that Star Trek Enterprise

1494
01:07:05.099 --> 01:07:07.079
was something that was worth our love as well.

1495
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:08.579
So let's give it a go.

1496
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:09.960
Sometimes.

1497
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:10.559
Yeah.

1498
01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:11.519
All right.

1499
01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:13.980
Okay, so here goes pressing the button.

1500
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.900
Okay, season one, episode 16, shuttlepod one.

1501
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.400
Oh Christ.

1502
01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:23.280
Off you, you might have a lot of issues with that one, because

1503
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:29.219
it's the one where Tripp and Reed are trapped on this shuttle pod

1504
01:07:29.219 --> 01:07:32.219
and they think they're going to die, and it's the most

1505
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:34.980
heterosexual because they're losing oxygen.

1506
01:07:34.980 --> 01:07:38.940
So they start to get very masculine and they're talking about this

1507
01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:45.420
woman who works in the Briggs tits, and it's all very, all the

1508
01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:47.280
things you were going to hate about Enterprise.

1509
01:07:47.340 --> 01:07:48.480
Maybe choose another one.

1510
01:07:48.539 --> 01:07:53.460
It's that strip down series one thing that Enterprise does where

1511
01:07:53.460 --> 01:07:55.199
it's just like have very simple premises.

1512
01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:57.900
But that's the one that's one of the ones that Bragger talked

1513
01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:01.679
about in that interview with all the cars, you know, 15 years

1514
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:02.099
later.

1515
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.659
He thought he was doing character stuff.

1516
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:05.159
This is where we were doing something different.

1517
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:06.480
It was different, yeah.

1518
01:08:06.539 --> 01:08:07.320
It wasn't good.

1519
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:12.000
Because it's overtly heterosexual and a bit creepy.

1520
01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:13.559
Yeah, okay.

1521
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:18.779
All right. let's try something else Season two, episode 25

1522
01:08:18.779 --> 01:08:19.500
Bounty.

1523
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.420
Episode 25.

1524
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.920
Oh God, that's no.

1525
01:08:22.979 --> 01:08:23.939
What are you doing?

1526
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.119
That's the one where DePaul goes for a pomfire.

1527
01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:30.000
She's stalking down all the men. in horror sequences.

1528
01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:31.560
Oh, you keep talking about that.

1529
01:08:31.619 --> 01:08:32.460
We should have to watch it.

1530
01:08:32.579 --> 01:08:34.920
And I can't even remember what.

1531
01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:37.319
I think there's something about Orions in there as well.

1532
01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:38.340
You know, the green guys.

1533
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.319
Is it racist about Orions?

1534
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:41.520
Does it think they're all pirates?

1535
01:08:41.579 --> 01:08:42.720
Are they all pirates?

1536
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:43.800
I can't remember.

1537
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:47.819
All I remember is these amazing, it's terrible because of what it

1538
01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:49.199
says about women and sexuality.

1539
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.760
She's going around and there's horror music and flashlight in and

1540
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:55.560
she's trying to have sex with every man.

1541
01:08:55.619 --> 01:08:57.000
There's all cowering in the shadows.

1542
01:08:57.060 --> 01:08:58.739
That sounds great.

1543
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.199
I haven't mentioned it before a couple of times.

1544
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:04.079
I think we have to do it I really want you to watch a really good

1545
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:05.460
enterprise one.

1546
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.079
Yeah, they're all good ones.

1547
01:09:07.140 --> 01:09:09.180
Okay, all right. try again.

1548
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.279
We would have had fun with that, though.

1549
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:17.279
Uh, fight or flight season one, episode three. too early.

1550
01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:18.420
We're in trouble there.

1551
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.060
Okay, North Star.

1552
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:22.920
Season three, episode nine.

1553
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.140
He's a little boring as well.

1554
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:26.100
Cowboy one.

1555
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.199
It's one of the weaker ones from free.

1556
01:09:28.260 --> 01:09:28.800
Yeah.

1557
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:31.680
They do a Western... in the middle of the Zoom.

1558
01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:34.380
Yeah, no, that seems like an odd thing to do.

1559
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.659
Shuttle pod one again.

1560
01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:40.439
Shockwave.

1561
01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:44.279
I'm not doing a two-parter, so this is Shockwave season one

1562
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:45.060
episode 26.

1563
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.619
We're not doing shockwave part two, so let's move quickly.

1564
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:50.819
I think Shaw wave's a bit muddled.

1565
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.079
A lot of people jam a bit 4 styles and it's very confusing.

1566
01:09:55.260 --> 01:09:56.819
All right.

1567
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.199
Here's what we might do.

1568
01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:02.220
Season three, episode 12, Chosen Realm.

1569
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:05.220
Have no idea.

1570
01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:07.920
Oh, should we look it up quickly?

1571
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:09.479
Okay.

1572
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:16.020
Okay, so according to Wikipedia, it is Enterprise has taken over

1573
01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:19.619
by a group of religious zealots called Triannons, and Archer must

1574
01:10:19.619 --> 01:10:21.060
retake it before it's too late.

1575
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.420
Does it have interesting things to say about religion?

1576
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:25.920
Oh, I doubt it.

1577
01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:26.880
I can't remember at all.

1578
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.920
I do remember a lot of Siri, sorry.

1579
01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:30.600
Come on, one more time.

1580
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:31.859
Okay, one more time.

1581
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.239
This is the one.

1582
01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:34.800
Whatever it is, this is the one.

1583
01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:38.880
No, it's unexpected, which we did in episode 69.

1584
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.340
So fight or flight.

1585
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.739
Why is it rolling the same thing over and over again?

1586
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:47.640
Okay, season two, episode 15 ceasefire.

1587
01:10:47.699 --> 01:10:49.140
No idea.

1588
01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:51.720
All right.

1589
01:10:51.779 --> 01:10:54.960
Terra Prime, which we've done before.

1590
01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:56.819
The Randomiser is killing me today.

1591
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:58.439
All right, let's try again.

1592
01:10:58.500 --> 01:11:00.359
So that's the longest one ever.

1593
01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:02.520
Season two, episode 10.

1594
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.199
I think we've done worse than this.

1595
01:11:04.260 --> 01:11:06.600
Season two, episode 10, vanishing point.

1596
01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:12.060
Oh, is that the one with Hoshi and the transporter?

1597
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:17.760
She's got a fair of the transporter and it's a very quiet...

1598
01:11:17.819 --> 01:11:18.479
Go on one more time.

1599
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:19.619
Okay.

1600
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.000
Come on, find a sign good.

1601
01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:25.079
Okay, season three, episode 13 proving ground.

1602
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.479
No clue.

1603
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:27.960
Hang on.

1604
01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:29.340
It's in the Zindia.

1605
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.300
This is getting embarrassing.

1606
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.560
That's the that's the point at which it ends.

1607
01:11:34.619 --> 01:11:37.260
The rule is once we're too embarrassed to roll again.

1608
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.859
The whole thing ends. breathing ground.

1609
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:41.880
Now that's more like it.

1610
01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:43.859
Three stars out of four.

1611
01:11:43.859 --> 01:11:46.199
Jeffrey Coombs, isn't it?

1612
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.420
It's sort of big Zindi story arc.

1613
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:55.500
The Enterprise, Enterprise has found the location of the testing

1614
01:11:55.500 --> 01:11:58.920
side of the Zindi weapon and get some rather unexpected help.

1615
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:00.720
Let's do it Come on.

1616
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:05.159
And we haven't really done a sort of dense series 3 middle of the

1617
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:06.239
arc episode, have we?

1618
01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:10.439
Well, I don't think we've done a proper Zindi Arc episode at all

1619
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:11.520
have we?

1620
01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:13.079
We're certain about done.

1621
01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:16.079
Yeah, we've never done an episode with Zindy characters or

1622
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:16.979
dialogue or anything.

1623
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.460
I think you and me, we are going for different directions when it

1624
01:12:20.460 --> 01:12:22.020
comes to series 3 events prize.

1625
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:27.239
Yes, I go in the same direction as John Billingsley.

1626
01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:31.260
And I go in the same direction of the direction. and Rick Burman.

1627
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.560
So which of us could possibly be right?

1628
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.760
Alright.

1629
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:37.920
Okay.

1630
01:12:37.979 --> 01:12:40.260
So, bring your answer to that question.

1631
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.520
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1632
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:54.720
and Nathan Bottomley.

1633
01:12:54.779 --> 01:12:58.020
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1634
01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:01.500
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1635
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:04.800
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1636
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.359
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1637
01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:10.680
This episode was recorded on the 25th of July, 2023 and released

1638
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:12.060
on the 28th of July.

1639
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.960
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Moving Ground.

1640
01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:35.340
Got it there.

1641
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:36.300
We're cute off.

1642
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:36.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1643
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.920
That's great.

1644
01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:38.880
Oh, God.

1645
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.579
Oh, that was embarrassing, advertised for tomorrow.

1646
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.779
But I mean, I rolled 2 of them like 3 times and I rolled 2 other

1647
01:13:45.779 --> 01:13:47.100
episodes that we've already done.

1648
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:54.180
I am going to have to institute the secret randomiser that skipped

1649
01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:55.739
episodes that we've done already.

1650
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.140
Oh, well, it does that now.

1651
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.359
No, I haven't written it yet.

1652
01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:01.800
Well I'll have the right one.

1653
01:14:01.859 --> 01:14:03.899
Oh, okay, yeah, that's probably...

1654
01:14:03.899 --> 01:14:05.760
It's easy to get to that point, aren't we?

1655
01:14:05.819 --> 01:14:07.020
We are getting to that point where.

1656
01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:09.479
Yeah, done that, done that.

1657
01:14:09.539 --> 01:14:12.659
And actually, one of the things that I was going to do, and I

1658
01:14:12.659 --> 01:14:14.579
might do it after I go off the call.

1659
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.880
I probably just need to write a couple of lines of code to get it

1660
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.420
to do, because we, you know, the percentages for individual shows

1661
01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:26.100
but I haven't got an overall percent to how far we are through, and

1662
01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:27.479
I think that'd be a fun thing to have.

1663
01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:28.979
Don't you think?

1664
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.199
Well, I mean, I'm assuming we're quite low.

1665
01:14:31.260 --> 01:14:33.239
We're about 10%.

1666
01:14:33.300 --> 01:14:34.439
Oh, really?

1667
01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:38.460
Well, this is episode 75.

1668
01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:43.380
Star Trek is around about 890 episodes at this point.

1669
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.779
Oh, a little way to go, yeah, then.

1670
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.819
A little way to go.

1671
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:49.500
Because it's still coming.

1672
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.060
And you saw the trailer.

1673
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:52.800
I haven't actually seen that trailer.

1674
01:14:52.859 --> 01:14:54.359
Well, low decks one.

1675
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.920
But Brandon did send me the photo.

1676
01:14:58.979 --> 01:15:05.279
He sent me a photo of Shacks and Ransom doing the thing in doing

1677
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:12.060
the like in the leotards that Beverly and Deanna doing the price

1678
01:15:12.060 --> 01:15:15.359
in exactly the same leotards that they're wearing.

1679
01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:16.560
And the same colours and everything.

1680
01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:18.479
Yeah, same colour, like the whole thing.

1681
01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:20.159
But I haven't seen the trailer.

1682
01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:24.359
I was just looking at September the 27th or something, it's back.

1683
01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:26.460
Yeah, that'll watch every week.

1684
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.960
I'm going to binge all of, um, Strangely Wales.

1685
01:15:31.020 --> 01:15:32.039
Yeah, as a year.

1686
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.840
Well, I'll rewatch the Boiling One.

1687
01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:35.100
Why wouldn't I?

1688
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.220
Oh, I was thinking of rewatching it tonight, actually, later

1689
01:15:38.220 --> 01:15:39.600
because I just think it's so great.

1690
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:44.819
I thought it was so well done And the last time they sort of did

1691
01:15:44.819 --> 01:15:48.840
something that well. with that much care was trials and

1692
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:49.380
tribulations.

1693
01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:54.359
Yeah, I I thought it was like trials and tribulations as well, but

1694
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.100
I actually thought...

1695
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:03.119
Like, trials and tribulations is astonishing and, you know, but I

1696
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:06.420
thought this, like, this was really something else because they

1697
01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:08.279
were playing on hard mode with this.

1698
01:16:08.340 --> 01:16:09.659
Like, how do they do it?

1699
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:11.880
Their characters from a cartoon show.

1700
01:16:11.939 --> 01:16:15.600
Do we have them turn up and behave normal and just pretend they're

1701
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.399
exaggerated because it's a cartoon?

1702
01:16:17.460 --> 01:16:20.279
Well, that's not having the characters from the cartoon, you

1703
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:20.579
know?

1704
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:22.380
Like that's, that's punting.

1705
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.260
How do these characters work with the other characters?

1706
01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:27.600
Brakes directed it, didn't he?

1707
01:16:27.659 --> 01:16:28.619
It gauge shit.

1708
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:29.159
Yeah, yeah.

1709
01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:30.779
He got it. absolutely right.

1710
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:36.659
And, you know, because the, that scene in the turbo lift with

1711
01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:43.199
Christine and boy, and where she realises what we always should

1712
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:48.180
have realised that because this is a prequel and because we know

1713
01:16:48.180 --> 01:16:52.800
what Spock ends up being, this relationship can't last, they're in

1714
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:53.399
a relationship.

1715
01:16:53.460 --> 01:16:56.939
They've been in it for an episode or something like that.

1716
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.600
It's like at the end of, you know, like an earlier episode.

1717
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:04.319
I think it's at the end of the comedy, the set, you know, the

1718
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:08.819
comedy episode where like Spock turns into a human being and then

1719
01:17:08.819 --> 01:17:09.779
has to turn up.

1720
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.680
Yeah, he has to turn up at his engagement party and impress his

1721
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.640
future mother-in-law and he has fake ears on it.

1722
01:17:17.699 --> 01:17:22.079
It's just it's like they're ludicrous high concept, comedy

1723
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:22.859
episode.

1724
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:24.000
And it's at the end of that.

1725
01:17:24.060 --> 01:17:25.920
So that was episode like 6 or something.

1726
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:27.899
So they have only just been in the relationship together.

1727
01:17:27.899 --> 01:17:31.140
And just seeing how heartbroken she is, like she properly plays it

1728
01:17:31.140 --> 01:17:34.920
properly and then he's upset because he's kind of fucked up, not

1729
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:38.220
just by telling future things, but by saying this to her and

1730
01:17:38.220 --> 01:17:39.779
hurting her feelings and stuff.

1731
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.060
I like her being the poster child.

1732
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:42.779
I love that.

1733
01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:44.159
Then...

1734
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:44.939
Yeah.

1735
01:17:44.939 --> 01:17:49.979
You know that, like, you know that she, like, the actor who plays

1736
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:53.340
Una is married to the actor who plays.

1737
01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:55.199
Yeah, it's Jerry O'Connell.

1738
01:17:55.260 --> 01:17:58.319
So he gets to say that she's the hottest 1st officer in

1739
01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:58.979
Starfleet.

1740
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.380
But like, it was all really well judged.

1741
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.500
I just think the MVP was Jack White.

1742
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:06.479
I just thought, oh, yeah, incredible.

1743
01:18:06.539 --> 01:18:10.500
That could have sunk the episode because he had so much to do.

1744
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:14.340
And it was absolutely the animated boiler.

1745
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:15.479
Yeah.

1746
01:18:15.539 --> 01:18:20.939
What about the bit too, where he says...

1747
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:22.020
Where...

1748
01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:26.039
Like where the captain says that he's going to spend some time on

1749
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.800
his own drinking whiskey, I'm thinking about his father who's died

1750
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:32.220
and just wishing I could spend one more day with him, and then

1751
01:18:32.220 --> 01:18:36.539
bonelesses, but these people on the ship will wish that they could

1752
01:18:36.539 --> 01:18:38.399
spend one more day with you.

1753
01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:40.079
And that was great.

1754
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:44.579
It did lean into that whole pike nose's future again as well.

1755
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:48.779
But we but we knew that, of course, because the thing you know

1756
01:18:48.779 --> 01:18:51.420
about Pike, even if, do you know what I mean?

1757
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:55.079
The thing that we always knew about Pike is that he has this

1758
01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:56.340
terrible future ahead of him.

1759
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.039
That's, you know, we've known that since the 60s.

1760
01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:03.720
And of course, Boemer knows it, and this, the show has not shied

1761
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.060
away from it, hasn't found a way of getting him out of it.

1762
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.279
I think the biggest endorsement of the episode was.

1763
01:19:08.340 --> 01:19:09.539
I didn't want him to go back at the end.

1764
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.840
Oh, and I really thought when you could hear their voices through

1765
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:13.380
the portal.

1766
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.220
I was like, I'll come through just for a 2nd come through.

1767
01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:21.659
Yeah, they're not going to do that.

1768
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.340
I was like, that would have been amazing.

1769
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.159
I was so glad they were in it.

1770
01:19:26.220 --> 01:19:27.180
That was what I predicted.

1771
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:29.819
When I heard that they were going to do some animation, there

1772
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:30.899
would be some animation in it.

1773
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.720
I knew that that would be how they would get Tandy and Rutherford

1774
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:34.319
in the episode.

1775
01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:38.399
They would just, you know, like have the thing open on the

1776
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:40.140
Cerritos being animated.

1777
01:19:40.140 --> 01:19:44.220
And like having, and because the great thing too, you know, like

1778
01:19:44.220 --> 01:19:49.739
because the Enterprise, the Strangely World's opening credits are

1779
01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:55.859
every bit as animated as the lower decks opening credits.

1780
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:56.640
Do you know what I mean?

1781
01:19:56.699 --> 01:19:57.420
They're just animated.

1782
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:58.260
They both animation.

1783
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.180
It's just the animation style.

1784
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:00.779
It's different.

1785
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.319
And the same with the planet. took me a 2nd on it.

1786
01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:05.460
It took me a 2nd.

1787
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.119
I was watching it, watching those lights coming on.

1788
01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:11.699
No, the lights were too...

1789
01:20:11.699 --> 01:20:12.960
They were details enough.

1790
01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:14.220
No, it happened.

1791
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.439
Maybe I'm just used to not paying attention.

1792
01:20:17.100 --> 01:20:19.439
And then I was like, yeah.

1793
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.199
It was so good.

1794
01:20:22.260 --> 01:20:24.000
Just the best thing ever.

1795
01:20:24.060 --> 01:20:25.619
Wave for that musical episode.

1796
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.560
But like, you know, that...

1797
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.640
It's a shame, but I, you know, there are people saying, oh, it's

1798
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:33.359
sold out already.

1799
01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:34.140
Things like this.

1800
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.680
Oh, fuck off and go watch something else then, you know?

1801
01:20:37.739 --> 01:20:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

1802
01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:40.979
But I mean, the thing is that it can be funny.

1803
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:42.899
But one of the things that Star Trek.

1804
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.460
Yes, it's fine.

1805
01:20:44.460 --> 01:20:46.500
Like it's 5 songs in it.

1806
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.479
Yeah, you know?

1807
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:49.199
Yeah.

1808
01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:50.100
Yeah.

1809
01:20:50.100 --> 01:20:51.300
That where I'm done singing.

1810
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.600
The doctor sang about 30 songs. across Voyager.

1811
01:20:54.659 --> 01:20:56.100
Yeah, yeah.

1812
01:20:56.159 --> 01:21:01.800
That's superb, like it, that superb episode of Picard in series 2

1813
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:04.859
where Agnes wears the red dress, 2 of one.

1814
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.579
I think it is, and she's sort of taken over by the Borg and she

1815
01:21:08.579 --> 01:21:10.319
does this incredible musical number.

1816
01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:13.380
They just wanted to be one sort of thing, didn't they?

1817
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:13.979
Yeah.

1818
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.159
They want it to be, they want it to be space.

1819
01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:19.439
The next generation, sort of straightforward space thing.

1820
01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:23.880
But I, I want, maybe, but I think, you know, I think they want it

1821
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.359
to be balance of terror and the Corva might maneuver.

1822
01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:30.180
There's some of that in there, though.

1823
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:31.380
Of course there is.

1824
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:32.939
Of course there is.

1825
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1826
01:21:34.859 --> 01:21:37.560
No, it's it does the things that Star Trek can do.

1827
01:21:37.619 --> 01:21:39.239
Nobody's looking at that.

1828
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.819
For one episode and going, oh. they've sold out, you know.

1829
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:42.899
No, no.

1830
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:44.460
Better that's what people want.

1831
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:46.979
And I thought, but that was good. you know, and I thought children

1832
01:21:46.979 --> 01:21:48.180
of the comet was good as well.

1833
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:53.460
It's like what Star Trek should be, you know, and high concept and

1834
01:21:53.460 --> 01:21:57.180
beautiful and weird looking and saying things about religion and

1835
01:21:57.180 --> 01:21:58.800
doing character stuff.

1836
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:02.039
Obviously, we have mixed reviews from Jama this year, though.

1837
01:22:02.100 --> 01:22:03.539
Obviously.

1838
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.720
There's 2 he wasn't so keen on, hang on, let's see.

1839
01:22:06.779 --> 01:22:10.680
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow only got 2 out of 4 stars.

1840
01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:15.899
Yeah, and to be fair, remember he gave 2.5 stars to Bem.

1841
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.239
Yeah, that is true.

1842
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.779
Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow is a wonderful Laan episode.

1843
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:25.680
She's superb in it.

1844
01:22:25.739 --> 01:22:27.000
He hasn't been thrilled by anything.

1845
01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:29.159
He's given 3 stars, 3 stars, 2 stars.

1846
01:22:29.220 --> 01:22:31.079
2.5 stars, 3 stars.

1847
01:22:31.140 --> 01:22:32.220
Has he 2.5?

1848
01:22:32.340 --> 01:22:32.699
Has he does?

1849
01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:34.680
Has he done those old scientists yet?

1850
01:22:34.739 --> 01:22:37.979
But you look at the you look at the comment thread because I went

1851
01:22:37.979 --> 01:22:41.159
there yesterday at the comment. is full of people just saying, yeah

1852
01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:41.939
I had a blast.

1853
01:22:42.060 --> 01:22:42.720
This was incredible.

1854
01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:46.199
But it was like a night in sick, babe.

1855
01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.279
Was it annoying, Sick Bay?

1856
01:22:47.340 --> 01:22:49.260
It's one where it's like, oh, this is a guilty pleasure.

1857
01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:50.220
I think this is really fun.

1858
01:22:50.340 --> 01:22:53.039
You know, like, and jam is saying how terrible it is, and everyone

1859
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.020
on the 3 is saying, actually, I think this is kind of fun.

1860
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:57.000
In that case, he was correct.

1861
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:58.979
No, it's really good.

1862
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.659
Remember, I'm doing that ritual at the end.

1863
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:08.100
With his shirt off with those weird aliens on the plane.

1864
01:23:08.100 --> 01:23:09.479
We had to apologise by doing that.

1865
01:23:09.539 --> 01:23:11.760
And we have no clue what was going on.

1866
01:23:11.819 --> 01:23:13.859
No, that was so bizarre.

1867
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:15.720
Just make it up, right?

1868
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1869
01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.460
The fans will be pouring over for years, you know.

1870
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:26.399
Well, I can think of is Uncle Arthur teaching Darren Stevens to

1871
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:28.020
say Yagazuzi Zim.

1872
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.500
Yeah, TJ.

1873
01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:35.640
Oh, goodness.

1874
01:23:35.699 --> 01:23:37.319
We have watched some shit, haven't we?

1875
01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:38.279
We watched some good stuff.

1876
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.880
Yeah, it's a bit more sheep than I expected.

1877
01:23:41.939 --> 01:23:44.880
It's a pity about Star Trek the Next Generation, isn't it?

1878
01:23:44.939 --> 01:23:47.520
Even the ones that I, the beloved ones, PowerPlay.

1879
01:23:47.579 --> 01:23:49.680
I mean, I knew we were going to have some issues with this one

1880
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:50.819
because I remember the ending.

1881
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:54.180
Um, but it's sort of boring all the way through.

1882
01:23:54.239 --> 01:24:00.000
We haven't got to the stuff like the game and the rascals and

1883
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.340
stuff like that, you know, well, we can literally just have a

1884
01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:02.760
blast.

1885
01:24:02.819 --> 01:24:06.060
Yeah, the one disaster.

1886
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:08.159
You know, we haven't done any of those type of episodes.

1887
01:24:08.220 --> 01:24:08.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1888
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.340
Maybe I'll keep rolling till I get a fun one, you know?

1889
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:13.020
Who watches the watchers?

1890
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:14.520
Watches the watches.

1891
01:24:14.579 --> 01:24:14.760
Yeah.

1892
01:24:14.819 --> 01:24:17.819
I like Dejah Q. As a brilliant one.

1893
01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.020
Even, you know, the goddess of empathy and all of that.

1894
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:23.159
We have a good giggle at that.

1895
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.939
Instead, we just keep rolling season 7 episodes.

1896
01:24:27.060 --> 01:24:28.020
Most toys.

1897
01:24:28.500 --> 01:24:31.140
Mm, no stores I like.

1898
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.159
And then all the classics, you know, mind's eye, best of both

1899
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:35.579
worlds.

1900
01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there is good stuff.

1901
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:39.000
Redemption.

1902
01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:41.279
This is Carmichael.

1903
01:24:41.340 --> 01:24:42.539
Yeah.

1904
01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:43.920
Types era.

1905
01:24:43.979 --> 01:24:44.699
Does that pick it?

1906
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:46.079
Best of pickets.

1907
01:24:47.699 --> 01:24:49.439
Oh, God.

1908
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:50.100
What is it?

1909
01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:50.760
What?

1910
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:52.739
Jealous Auberold.

1911
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:54.060
Fairest, skip hence.

1912
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:54.960
Oh my god.

1913
01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:56.399
So bad.

1914
01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:59.819
That was truly superb, Mrs. Carmichael.

1915
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.260
So you can relax.

1916
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:07.800
Oh, what about Captain's Holiday?

1917
01:25:07.859 --> 01:25:12.180
Oh, Max Roddenchick.

1918
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:13.979
And God, he was given a character.

1919
01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:14.819
See the bad guy.

1920
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.079
Oh my god, have you seen that?

1921
01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:17.100
Oh no, you haven't seen it.

1922
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:18.840
What?

1923
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:23.220
Um, Rom and Lisa are in the trailer for Lower Decks.

1924
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:24.420
Oh really?

1925
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:27.960
Oh, my God, I have to watch it.

1926
01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:29.220
Oh, he's a great...

1927
01:25:29.220 --> 01:25:31.079
I'm like drawn now with massive jugs.

1928
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:32.520
I got it just right.

1929
01:25:32.579 --> 01:25:35.760
It's just sort of going to the side.

1930
01:25:35.819 --> 01:25:37.020
That's brilliant.

1931
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:39.000
Oh, really?

1932
01:25:39.060 --> 01:25:40.020
Please.

1933
01:25:40.020 --> 01:25:41.340
Wrong later.

1934
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:42.720
That would be amazing.