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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this isn't our first Pandronian-based episode of Star Trek, is

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it?

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Only on the Star Trek podcast, could you just stole there?

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So, so we're doing the animated series and we're doing series 2

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which seems to be like 4 episodes that they had left lying around

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or something and it's called BEM, and it has a Pandronian alien

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called BEM, the eponymous BEM.

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You do his full name.

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His name is Ari Bin Bam.

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The reason I know this. is that in I excretis, which is an episode

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of Lower Decks, we did some time ago.

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There was another Pandronian character and her name was Shari Yin

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Yem, is he?

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The reason why that episode is because they're just taking our

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piss out of this shit.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But what they do, which I think is really terrific, is that they

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gradually make all of the most ludicrous things in the animated

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series canonical.

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So as well as having a pandronian.

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This episode has an Adocian Arax.

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And Aryx is on the bridge and he is in the time trap, but he

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doesn't get any dialogue. curious as to whether he had any lines

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at all.

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I think he did, but I wish he hadn't because his weird voice.

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Yeah, so that's Jimmy Dewan.

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So it turns out that...

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Yeah.

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So the original cast.

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So it's not the best he could do.

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So this is it.

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Jimmy Dewan does everyone's voice.

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So he's Bam and his ARX. in this episode as well as playing

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Scotty.

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I don't know that.

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I don't remember.

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Yeah, it's doing with doing the law.

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So, Jimmy doing play a paper alien.

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Yeah.

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So, because Chehov's not even this, although he may write an

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episode, I think.

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So he's not in this yet.

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Yeah.

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No, you remember, there was that big spat, wasn't it?

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Nemoy saying, I ain't doing it.

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If you're writing out all the ethnic characters, making Star Trek

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or whitewash.

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White show.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is perhaps the most low effort episode of anything that

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we've ever watched.

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Oh, by a mile.

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Maybe even more than Manhunt, which I think is our previous winner

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for just not giving a shit.

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I mean, they had to knock together the sets for Manheim. you know

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things like that.

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That's true.

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I don't think there was any original artwork in this.

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I swear, the jungle appeared in about 15 other TAS episodes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think this got something like the same score.

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So Jama, who obviously reviewed these ages ago, gave this 2.5 out

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of 4 stars.

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And just for context, the most recent Strange New Worlds episode

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that we did got 2 stars, the Elysian Kingdom.

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And he did give 2.5 stars to the like not this week's episode.

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I mean, just a couple of episodes ago, the Among the Lotus Eaters

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episode of Strange New Worlds.

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Now, I suspect that his calibration has shifted over the years and

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that he might not be quite so willing to make the same mistake

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again. in the light of recent trek.

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Although, I've got to say, if Laan turned up in this episode in

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that fabulous princess dress.

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Yeah.

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You know, that dog.

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I wouldn't think...

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Nathan, do you know I fell asleep 3 times watching this?

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Yeah, and it's 25.

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I said to you.

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I have to keep rewinding it to see what I've missed and not a lot

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because nothing happens in this.

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No.

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See, this is a story that had been kicking around and had been

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considered for the 3rd series.

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And obviously, the character's called Bem because Bug Eyed Monster

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BEM was a sort of term of art in early science fiction.

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And we're Doctor Who fans, we know that the original remit for

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Doctor Who was not to have any bug-eyed monsters, and then the

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Daleks came along.

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So he's called Bem, and he's sort of non-human, and the idea had

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always been that he could detach bits of himself, like he was a

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colony creature.

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And so they were considering it for the 3rd series and, you know

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he was going to have his hands come off.

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They would have realised that.

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You've been terrible.

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Oh no, I just don't think they could ever have done it.

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And then I think we get the godlike alien entity at the end, and

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that was Gene.

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Gene Roddenbury insisting that they go in.

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So this...

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Really?

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You surprise me, you know.

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So this script's my David...

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I've never used that trick before.

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That's right.

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It's like, I'm sure we've never done a godlike alien entity.

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We need to have one at the end of this.

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So that was his idea.

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The original script by David Gerald, who did trouble with Tribbles

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who can genuinely write good, interesting Star Trek.

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And he's only right in his, remember, because there's a writer

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strike on, so he can't write television.

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But you can't write animation.

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Ah, okay.

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Oh, you know, we're drawing on all of his skills and genius as a

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writer here and pouring it into the animated set of what went

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wrong.

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Yeah.

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So I think, look, also, like, I'm a little bit young for this

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because this, I was born when this was broadcast, but I was, you

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know, 4 or something like that.

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But there was an early Saturday morning cartoon thing that was on

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you know, where it was like incredibly cheap, incredibly low

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effort.

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And I still remember some of them?

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Well, like this.

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I mean, this was what was given to kids as entertainment.

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And when you look at something like prodigy, which is beautiful

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and smart and well cut off in its 2nd season.

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Well, maybe, maybe, but, um, you know, like it, it just seems

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extraordinary that this was what Star Trek ended up being, that

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after its cancellation, to compare it to this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because someone cares about prodigy and lots of effort goes into

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it.

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Well, what's baffling is that, you remember I said to you, DC

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Fontana considered this?

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the next season of Star Trek.

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Yeah.

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Like, this is what she aspired, Star Trek.

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I think DC Fontana made some great choices.

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She wrote some brilliant episodes.

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And she skipped into 90s track as well.

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You know, she was talented enough that they brought her in and

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said, right, you know, she did Dax in DS9 and things like that.

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Okay.

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But this has not got one iota of the charm or the drama.

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Oh, the brains.

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There are no brains here.

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Like, no.

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Essentially, what happens in this episode?

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I'm gonna cut, you know, let's just break it down.

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It's like go down on this planet with this new crew member, BIM.

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They all get put in a cage.

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Because Bim's an idiot.

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And he wants to study them and see how they get him out of a

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cage.

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Then they get out of the cages.

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A godlike entity comes down and says, you know, all right, guys.

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And then Ben goes, oh, I should never have done all of this.

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I will disembody myself and the godlike entity goes, no, no, no

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you're all right.

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And then they all leave.

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Yeah, that's the episode.

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We learn a valuable lesson about learning from our mistakes, but

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they do put out another episode of this the following week.

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So certainly not everyone has managed to learn from their

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mistakes.

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There is one amazing moment, though, right?

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where all the lizards won't run in.

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They'll go, oh, right, and go running scared.

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That did make me laugh, that one bit.

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But apart from that, I don't think my brain engaged at one point

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in this.

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No, it is it is pretty terrible.

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All right.

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What do you reckon?

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I think we should...

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I think we're going to run out of things to say.

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There's 23 minutes with nothing happening.

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We'll get to talk about the tilty animation, you know, impressive

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high angle animated shot of the bridge that's in there.

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I didn't want to say that, you know what, right?

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I consider you to be the most intelligent person.

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I know, brainless art of a planet, teaching a dead language to

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rich children and all of this.

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Oh, I really want to apologise, you know, because I feel as if I

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sent us on this path to you eventually, spending your valuable

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time, watching episodes of this.

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I'm really about to see more.

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I really want to see more of it because it is astoundingly

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terrible.

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It's like a car crash and I love seeing like Shatner kind of

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putting no effort into it and it's just, it is a very, very

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strange thing because this is what passed for Star Trek in the

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early 70s.

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And I just can't help imagining how crushed.

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I remember when I was a kid.

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Tuning in to Space 1999 during the school holidays.

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It would be fun.

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The 1st few episodes of that were very exciting.

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But when the 2nd series came along with Freddie Freiberger and a

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whole heap of production changes and stuff were made, even as a

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primary school kid, even as a 10 year old, I knew that this was

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disappointingly crap compared to what we'd had the previous year.

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You were that young.

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It took me to learn, I was at least sort of 11 or 12. to recognise

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that any television could be better.

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Could be terrible.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I remember being just awfully disappointed that lots of the things

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I loved about the 1st series weren't in the 2nd series.

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And just think about the way that Star Trek captured the heart of

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so many nerdy children, you know, when it was 1st on.

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And then they're a little bit older and it comes back in this

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form.

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It's kind of miserable.

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Oh, well. you know.

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Let's watch it, shall we?

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All right.

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Well, you know, what is really interesting is I think we have done

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some TNG episodes, you know, that are almost on this level.

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You think Star Trek would learn from its mistakes, but actually

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we've watched, we've watched Justice and Manhunt as well, and

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Genesis, you know, which are Genesis.

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Yeah, I think Genesis is leagues ahead of this.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You know what is funny is, I don't think, um, oh, good grief

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random trek, you know, I don't think they've got TAS in the mix.

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So we might be the only podcast doing, you know, ciques on the

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animated series.

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Well, we regard it as canon.

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We think that this happened every bit as much as measure of a

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man.

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I just don't care about cannon, you know, like, no, it all exists

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to me.

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Oh, so it's like really funny about this elevation, right?

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So when the ship is going through space, yeah.

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You know how, you know, when they've got the money, they can do

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the stars kind of, sort of zooping off.

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But here, they just have 3 or 4 stars going into the middle of the

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screen.

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Just suggest it's going very fast.

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The shocking animation when it turns around the corner.

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Like most of the time it just goes in a straight line so they

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don't have to change the shape.

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It's so bad shot there.

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So miserable.

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And the way it goes to one side of the screen to the other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Is it going sideways?

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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It's going directly.

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Oh, you go, bam.

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Here's a shock.

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It was directed this.

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Yeah, someone directed it.

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Bill, Bill Reed.

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I actually quite like this opening shot.

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I have to say, for some reason.

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What astonishes me is William Shatler's performance, right?

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I really want to talk about that because I think even at his most

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low effort in other shows.

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He always adds some charm and humour to it.

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And it's just so flat.

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He delivers every line. and he's not written with any charm

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washing either.

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He's just like this sort of officious man.

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It's very strange.

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The use of the word aboriginal is super embarrassing as well, but

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I guess that was the 60s, but like, yeah, just...

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These men sitting around the table, we can't, you know, bother the

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women for this important talk.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, I was watching Straight Shoe Worlds last week.

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And in the opening credits of Strange New Worlds, there are 5

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women and 3 men.

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It's so right direction.

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So much better.

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We could just say there, though, Lieutenant Huro will be tracking

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us the whole time we're down on the planet doing this episode.

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So here's them.

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And Bem calls himself this one, which is what Yem did, actually, in

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I excretis as well.

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So that's something that happens.

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And I guess it's an effort to make him sound alien.

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So he doesn't call himself I or me.

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He calls himself this one.

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And there seems to be some gesture at making, because he's a

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colony entity or a sort of aggregation of bits and pieces.

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And remember he's going to disassemble and, you know, all of his

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limbs are going to join other people.

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Yeah, it's all very stupid.

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But it's something, like, it's an attempt to...

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The best bit is when they're in the water and his legs go walking

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so funny.

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And it's got to have been deliberately funny.

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Come on.

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Like, I think there are moments here which are laugh out loud

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funny because they're stupid and I think they're deliberately

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funny.

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Like, I don't think they're aiming at sensible and missing.

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I figured that that was where we were going.

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So that I did like that, whereas his body is still visible, but

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his legs are off walking under the water and nicking their faces

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and communicators.

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And I figured the end of this would be because they're all in

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prison.

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We'll say they use Ben's amazing powers to escape and that was

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going to be just a follow.

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He uses them to escape, though.

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Look at this transporter chief's moustache.

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Not Scotty.

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Scotty hasn't got his moustache yet.

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That reminds me of someone, you know.

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Sort of that red hair.

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I can't think who is.

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He's someone famous.

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Is it fat bastard from Boston Towers?

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No, I don't know.

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So this is suspicious because they've been on 6 missions already

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since Yes, and he's been in his quarters.

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Now, Bem set the transporter coordinates which saw Kirk and Spock

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land in the water.

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And then he's come, look, he's got look at his hand.

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He's got, he's got little hands that come out the top of his

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body.

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He's... come up the top of the water and they don't know this

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today.

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It's like he's going...

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Behind you.

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But the great thing is, he picks their pockets.

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So he steals their phases and communicators and replaces them with

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like cheap plastic imitation phases and communicators and they

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don't notice.

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And when they go to detect the phases and communicators on board

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the Enterprise, they try and detect where they are, they can't

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detect them anymore.

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So I don't know if he breaks them or what's there or but extreme

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way to go in it because he's only testing them.

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He wants to see how they will rescue him if he gets himself into a

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tricky situation, isn't he?

348
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That's the point of all this.

349
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I guess so.

350
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Now he's Arex speaking.

351
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Um, We said before, it is quite nice because you're in the

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animated series.

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You can't, you know, it's not prosthetics, it's animation.

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So you can have sort of weird and wonderful creatures, which led

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to us having that fabulous theme in the time track with all those

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aliens. lady with no nose.

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The weird cat alien, you know.

358
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Well, so the weird cat alien location, which is what Dr. Tahana is

359
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in lower decks, and we've seen them in prodigy as well.

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And I think there's an Admiral, Acacian Admiral, in one of the

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films.

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So that's come from this series, and then Arax Theodosian has come

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from, um, has come from this.

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And there are 2 Odosians in 2 separate episodes of lower decks.

365
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They've used the character, again.

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I love this.

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I don't like that artwork of jungle.

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It's sort of striking.

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It's lots of bold colours like they do in the original series, you

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know.

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That's quite nice.

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And you just had them as little shadows in the distance, go

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through the jungle.

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But I mean, just the animation is so cheap, isn't it?

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Like, it's so dreadfully cheap.

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Well, like I said, they're doing no close opposite, not to animate

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anything else, and yeah.

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Although I am very pleased in case anyone's been living in

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suspense since the 1st TAFs episode we did.

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Look, his head and his arm.

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Look, his torso just goes off by itself in the background.

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What's his torso going to do?

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It's got nothing attached to it.

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I think for kids like, that's enough, you know.

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That's quite, yeah, all those disembodied parts.

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It's quite fun.

387
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But it's fabulously stupid, I think, is and deliberately so.

388
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Sorry, go back to that point very quickly.

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I just wanted to report that since our 1st TAS episode, they have

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in fact, drawn on Ahura's 2nd breast.

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Because in the 1st one we did, she only had one boob, but now

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she's got two.

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Just in case anyone was wondering.

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Okay?

395
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So the other thing is, of course, Michelle gets to play another

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role in this episode.

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She's the godlike voice.

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She's the godlike voice.

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And you can hear it.

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Yeah, it is a good performance.

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And, and I actually think, and I was saying this to you, um

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earlier on, I think that this episode has something in common and

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may well have inspired to some degree, uh, Children of the Comet

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which is the 2nd episode of Strange New World, which is that

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beautiful episode.

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Well, because remember that that opens with us seeing primitive

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people, like people living in tents, in the desert, and it's 2

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women, like it's a mother and a daughter, and they don't, I can't

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remember where they speak, but we don't, they didn't say anything

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intelligible.

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And then we see them at the end, and the comet is there to guard

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those people, and the, do you remember the shepherds, the aliens

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are called the shepherds, and they worship the comet, and they try

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and prevent the enterprise from interfering with the children of

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the, of the comet.

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And the comet looks after the children and actually ends up

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leaving them with a fertile planet to live in.

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And the end of the episode sees it raining on that planet.

419
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So I forgot all the details.

420
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Why I remember is her communicating with the music.

421
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It's beautiful and how that's realised and how it is tied into her

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character as a communicator.

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It was brilliantly done.

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It's a very, very good episode. like maybe one of the best of that

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season.

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So here they've discovered.

427
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And look at the phases.

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So did original Trek, I should know this, but did original Trek

429
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have those little phases, like Next Gen does?

430
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Remember how next gen had the dust bust?

431
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.579
We have still enough episodes of original Trek, haven't we?

432
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Because I always liked them.

433
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Like in Star Trek, they have the Dustbuster ones in the 1st season

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which look a bit crap, and then they trim them down later for

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other seasons, but they also had like tiny little handheld ones

436
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which I thought really cute.

437
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I like the phaser rifles, you know.

438
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They are so pathetic.

439
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They're made of balsa wood.

440
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There's no recoil.

441
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They render any scene, any battle scene they're used in completely

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weightless.

443
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You're mad.

444
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So, we probably couldn't have realised there's this long shot here

445
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of all these lizard creatures.

446
00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:37.019
Well, we can't realise that there.

447
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Look, is just a painting of the lizard creatures.

448
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The only thing that is moving is the lizard's tail.

449
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That's it.

450
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And they're wearing nappies as well.

451
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So you just said to them, shut up.

452
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So he calls them Kirk captain and spot commander as well, and I

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now want to go back and watch IX Cretus to see where the yam pulls

454
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that trick as well, whether she refers to people that way

455
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creativity, yeah, and imagination.

456
00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:10.259
Well, it's lizard creatures on a jungle planet.

457
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Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Super dull.

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And then a godlike entity comes along at the end. it's the Apple

460
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isn't it?

461
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We've done this so much already, an original series, you know?

462
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Yeah that's right.

463
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They've got the opportunity with this series to go anywhere and do

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anything.

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We're just pulling the same old shit and it looks worse than it

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did when it was live action.

467
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I do actually like where Shatner goes, why do we always end up

468
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like this?

469
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Why are we always end up in cages?

470
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Maybe, you know, it's fate.

471
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Oh, yeah.

472
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He goes, fate, Spock?

473
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I can't believe it.

474
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Maybe because we can't see Shatner's facial expressions.

475
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I think he brings a lot to the role in his body language as well.

476
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Yeah.

477
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Because we've just got this shitty animation to look at.

478
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Yeah.

479
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But I also think maybe they're not in the same room recording it

480
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and stuff too, so there's no chemistry.

481
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They're not bouncing off one another.

482
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I told you, didn't I?

483
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He was like, you know, on a break from his theatre show.

484
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All right, let's do the lines quick.

485
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So, Yeah.

486
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No, no, no.

487
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I just wondering why they scrabbling here. the hell are we talking

488
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about?

489
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So he's stolen their phases and communicated, which are in his

490
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pocket, but somehow they couldn't detect them on the enterprise

491
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even though Bem had them in his pocket the whole time.

492
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So there was never any sort of suggestion that Ben was going to

493
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hang around, you know, and become a regular.

494
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It was only...

495
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No, no, no. no, no.

496
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The idea was originally, I think, that he was very, very unhuman

497
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like very unlike a human being to the point where even Spock was

498
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going to find him odd.

499
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So what's this?

500
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So, like his bottom half can get out of the fucking cage when it

501
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disembodies itself.

502
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Couldn't he just bend over and get out of a cage?

503
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Like, how does he know?

504
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Like, just doesn't make any sense.

505
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The holes in those bars are so big.

506
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All of them just climb out.

507
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:11.759
That's right.

508
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This is being fucking drawn.

509
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Make the whole smaller.

510
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This is a hostile planet, not really, actually.

511
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:23.940
You've been worse.

512
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:29.700
But so is there something, is there a hint of something here, Bam

513
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:33.180
wants to experiment on and observe them.

514
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.039
Why are they here?

515
00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.380
Like, why are...

516
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:38.819
Yes, never established, is it?

517
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.559
And are we sort of critiquing what they're doing?

518
00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:48.539
Like, No, you are given this a reading.

519
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.920
Well, except that it's being written by someone and produced by

520
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.319
people who have made good television.

521
00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:56.519
Do you know what I mean?

522
00:23:56.579 --> 00:24:00.900
So the Enterprise is here to investigate and report on this

523
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:02.700
indigenous life form.

524
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.380
That one seemed to have a bong.

525
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.740
I actually had to go back and sort of rewind it to see if he was

526
00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:10.680
like smoking weed in the...

527
00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:11.759
I thought they were loud.

528
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:16.259
Oh, there we go.

529
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:17.039
Here we go.

530
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:17.819
Here's Ahura.

531
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:18.960
But isn't that it?

532
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:24.720
Like, they're supposed to be, and then it happens to them, like

533
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.920
Bam is doing the same thing to them that they were going to do to

534
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:29.819
the indigenous people.

535
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.240
If the twist of what Ben was doing is sort of hit at the end.

536
00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:34.859
Oh, I was studying you all along.

537
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.859
Instead, 5 minutes into the episode.

538
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.440
He goes well, I'm here to observe how you rescue me.

539
00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:43.799
No, that was about halfway through the episode, to be fair.

540
00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:44.819
I mean, is it early?

541
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:45.420
very short.

542
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:46.500
That is 5 minutes long.

543
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:47.519
That is true, thank God.

544
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:53.339
So this is Nichelle playing this godlike alien entity. presented

545
00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:55.440
in sort of coloured lights on the screen.

546
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:56.460
Yeah, yeah.

547
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.920
And like, you know, whatever.

548
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:02.759
And we have had that before, but it is, again, it's sort of

549
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.019
strange, isn't it?

550
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:08.039
Because they even suggest that it's like God, you know, that like

551
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:13.079
in the dialogue here, like these people have a God and that God is

552
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:17.099
real and that God's looking after them and that's what happens in

553
00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:18.119
Children of the Comet.

554
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:20.819
And remember, children of the comet is interesting because when

555
00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:25.200
the, when the um, shepherds come on the screen and start making

556
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:29.339
these claims about the comet and looking after its children on the

557
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:33.359
planet, they scoff, you know, they just kind of assume that that's

558
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.200
just all bullshit because it's a religious guy saying religious

559
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.640
nutcase stuff.

560
00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:43.500
And then it turns out that it's true and that the comet is

561
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:46.440
actually able even to kind of tell the future in some way.

562
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:54.779
And, and like, I think that idea is interesting, but this is

563
00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:57.359
obviously a vast...

564
00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:58.680
Keep a reading like that.

565
00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:00.180
Nothing off episode, you know?

566
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.579
No, you can't because it's just not there.

567
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.339
Because it's just, you know, what are we going to do?

568
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.319
I will have an alien entity and stuff.

569
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:12.420
And I don't know, the alien entity judges like...

570
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.960
Like, this is to appeal to kids and it is, isn't it, right?

571
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:20.339
This has been geared at children rather than, I hope, slow-witted

572
00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:22.200
children.

573
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:28.019
So I think the idea is that Bem's a little scamp that can, you

574
00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:31.140
know, pull himself apart is a bit of a naughty kid and they're

575
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:32.400
having to deal with his antics.

576
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.099
And I don't even think that really works.

577
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.500
Because it's not fun enough.

578
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:38.880
Yeah, yeah.

579
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:41.640
Well, there's one or 2 lines that are kind of funny.

580
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:47.339
But, yeah, like he's, he thinks they're, I don't know.

581
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.759
Because he's experimenting on them more.

582
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:55.259
Jesus Christ, its head just went off with his shot where it's like

583
00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:56.039
detached.

584
00:26:56.099 --> 00:26:59.700
Like 3 parts of him having a conversation with Captain Kirk.

585
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.099
It's so, it's so stupid.

586
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.440
But do you know what I mean?

587
00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:10.019
Like, they're observing the alien, the indigenous aliens.

588
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.779
Bams of observing and judging them.

589
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:19.740
And then Nichelle is godlike Nichelle is judging Bam.

590
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.140
Like Bam says, oh, you know, I've been terrible.

591
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.619
I should disassemble myself because I've done a bad job.

592
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:31.799
And her job is, you know, observing other aliens or something.

593
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:32.640
I don't know.

594
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:36.420
But she she tells him to kind of chill out and he's learned a

595
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:37.619
valuable lesson or something.

596
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.460
There's something, there's something that they could have been

597
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:45.180
attempting to do that just hasn't survived the failing to give a

598
00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:47.880
shit element of the process of producing it, I think.

599
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:49.920
I do I do genuinely think.

600
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:52.019
What's the, what, they call pandronians.

601
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:52.619
Yeah.

602
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.200
I do think that you could have had a regular.

603
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:57.960
If you give them an actual character, you know, and you could have

604
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.539
wonderful situations where they're in deadly danger and the head

605
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:03.420
goes floating off to tell someone, you know, we need some help.

606
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:04.319
You know?

607
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.660
Before the legs go running off in a bank heist or something like

608
00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:10.140
that, you know.

609
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.880
It could be great.

610
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:14.279
And that is a bit annoying.

611
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:16.559
I think it's what George DeKay said, wasn't it?

612
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.859
When he looked at this, it was like, we had the opportunity to

613
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:25.079
tell, you know, vastly imaginative stories in animation, you just

614
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.180
did the same old shit, but worse.

615
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:28.440
Yes, yeah.

616
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:29.220
Yeah.

617
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:33.420
Well, and in fact, you know, like producing good animation does

618
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:37.799
cost money and they clearly don't have enough money to do that.

619
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:41.519
This is really, really kind of perfunctory and shit.

620
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:43.680
But when we watch the time trap.

621
00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:45.720
And I know we were similarly scathing about that.

622
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:49.619
At least had a mystery to it, you know, this Bermuda triangle that

623
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.680
they had to, and then the great year, loads of spaceships.

624
00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:55.140
Well, it was like where all the spaceships gone, weren't they?

625
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.039
They were looking...

626
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.359
They went into this thing and then we got out by doing a thing and

627
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.779
then we have... bomb into the ejector tube.

628
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:10.079
No, didn't they join the warp cores together or do some just

629
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.880
random shit and get out of it.

630
00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:12.599
It was so bad.

631
00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:14.700
You know, I'm going to post it.

632
00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:17.519
I'm going out now. to anyone who's listening, yeah. contact us on

633
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.940
the socials and tell us what's the really good episode of the

634
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:21.660
animated series.

635
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.640
I will watch it as an extra.

636
00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:27.599
Oh, it's just like we can say something.

637
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.440
We can fucking roll. like we'll sit there and roll it until it

638
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:31.799
comes out.

639
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.480
However long it takes. early on, I did notice, you know, that one

640
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.819
of those lizard creatures was very well muscled.

641
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:39.779
Oh, really?

642
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:41.940
You know, if I sort of shut my little creatures.

643
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.740
I mean, we're 4 minutes to the end here.

644
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

645
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:48.599
Thank God.

646
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:51.539
Oh, so now Beam is appalled of how he's behaved, you know?

647
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:52.140
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:29:52.140 --> 00:29:54.059
One has failed in its judgement.

649
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.839
Yeah, no, and he's going to disassemble himself, isn't he?

650
00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:02.940
And he's going to go off and join other Pandronians, like his arms

651
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:03.359
and legs.

652
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.119
We did that prodigy episode the other day, yeah, you know

653
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:06.660
preludes.

654
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.619
And it fitted in all of those backstories for all the characters

656
00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:12.420
and pushed on the arm.

657
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.019
In 22 minutes. in the same amount of time as this bullshit.

658
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:16.799
Yeah.

659
00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:18.960
Yeah.

660
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.500
Is it that the audience is more sophisticated now?

661
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.119
Is it that we expect more?

662
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:27.480
Well, I think television, yeah, I think one of the things that

663
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.000
happens with television as time goes on is it gets more

664
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.259
complicated and the audience gets better at reading it, you know

665
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:40.859
like I think that I think that television from now would be

666
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:44.640
bafflingly incomprehensible to people, do you know what I mean?

667
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:49.920
Like 50 years ago or something or would seem experimental or odd

668
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.259
or something. lovely experiment to run though, wouldn't it?

669
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.420
We could time travel and just hand them, you know?

670
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.240
An episode of lower decks and say, what do you think of this?

671
00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.539
But remember, you hear a little bit of that with people my age

672
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:02.940
going, oh, you know, like I couldn't watch the thick of it because

673
00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:06.119
the camera never stopped moving and you kind of go, okay, grandad

674
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:06.839
like we'll...

675
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.160
You wait till discovery comes along.

676
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:10.440
That drone's going to be flying around that shit.

677
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.039
That's you.

678
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:12.480
Your reaction to discovery.

679
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:16.740
You know, like, but just stretch it out over decades.

680
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.160
I took vertical tablets towards the Jonathan Frakes directed

681
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:20.400
ones.

682
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:21.900
You know, well done.

683
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.519
Yeah.

684
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.559
Yes.

685
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:28.380
Alternatively, it would be fascinating to put something like this

686
00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:28.980
on now.

687
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:36.660
But like, and now we're getting a valuable lesson at the end, but

688
00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:37.920
demand recognition.

689
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.059
Yeah, so she's not going to demand punishment even though she's a

690
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:46.140
godlike alien entity and she actually can't see what the point of

691
00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:50.519
punishment is, which is interesting-ish.

692
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:51.240
I don't know.

693
00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:52.680
I don't know.

694
00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:54.539
Context is a problem here.

695
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.019
We learn, fuck all about the god godlike alien. where you learn

696
00:31:58.019 --> 00:31:58.980
fuck all about Ben.

697
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.480
We don't know why they're here.

698
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:02.700
All we've learned is the lesson.

699
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:06.240
And this is that sort of Saturday morning moral, isn't it?

700
00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:09.359
Where they sort of look out the screen and go, you know, this was

701
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:10.740
all about this kids, all right?

702
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.539
Yeah, but in a way, it is a sort of weirdly Star Trek-y moral

703
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:20.160
which is punishment is not rational or intelligent. and taking

704
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.960
revenge isn't intelligent and that when we make an error we should

705
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.619
learn from it.

706
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.500
Like, I think that's a, that's sort of odd.

707
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:31.920
Like, it's, I'd like it, you know, but it's odd.

708
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.220
Isn't it time to grapple with that idea, though, is there?

709
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:40.200
No, but there's no, there would have been time if, you know, TV

710
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.819
was a bit quicker and you could fit more stuff in, you know, in 23

711
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:46.200
minutes like you can now.

712
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:47.519
I don't know.

713
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:51.599
Fascinating, captain, highly advanced alien entity using this

714
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.420
particular system for guiding another race to intelligence.

715
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

716
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.200
Almost a guard you might say.

717
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:03.839
Well, but that is sort of almost interesting, is that Star Trek

718
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:08.759
leaves in a world where there's God, and that's kind of true in

719
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.579
this episode and in children of the comet.

720
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.940
But the way you sort of boil that down to something interesting is

721
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:18.299
having a character like Q, having a relationship with a character

722
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:19.619
like Captain Picard.

723
00:33:20.339 --> 00:33:22.559
And that's how you sort of play about with that, you know?

724
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:23.880
Yeah, yeah.

725
00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:27.119
Not just having a load of colour lights coming along and saying

726
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:27.900
listen to me.

727
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.220
This is the lesson of the week.

728
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.119
Oh, Michelle got to do the final line saying, oh, well, you've

729
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.140
learned an important lesson.

730
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.839
It's just like, oh, I'm feeling morally improved.

731
00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:38.400
Thank Christ, that's over.

732
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:39.420
That was so bad.

733
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:42.359
We said at the beginning now.

734
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.880
We could talk about anything. but we might be a bit stuck in

735
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.180
that.

736
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.299
But, like, it's not even, like, there's so little of substances.

737
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.680
There's nothing to grab hold of, you know?

738
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:50.099
No.

739
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:50.880
No.

740
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.819
Yeah, and it's not like anything.

741
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.279
Like, it's not about anything, really.

742
00:33:56.339 --> 00:33:59.759
Like, I'm trying to work out what they must have been thinking

743
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.920
because, like, there's all these people here.

744
00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:06.539
No one deliberately sets out to write something shit and you just

745
00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:09.719
sort of wonder how this ends up happening.

746
00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:14.639
I would say that the next episode has started playing on Netflix.

747
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:16.739
It's called the Practical Joker.

748
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.420
And already there are free Klingon birds of prey firing on the

749
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:22.139
Enterprise.

750
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.599
It looks way better. sounds a lot better.

751
00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.900
I feel we might have rolled that one, you know.

752
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:29.940
There is a Harry Mud episode. too.

753
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.500
And there's a triple one as well.

754
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:32.760
Yeah, yeah.

755
00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:33.840
I have seen that one.

756
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:35.280
Yeah, I've seen that one too.

757
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:36.059
That's terrible.

758
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.019
So do you agree then in sort of Gene Roddenberry's assertion that

759
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:45.179
this is all best forgotten?

760
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:48.599
Or do you think that actually this is this is something that was

761
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.199
created.

762
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.820
Let's acknowledge it.

763
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.860
Let's celebrate it.

764
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.900
And let's do it all the ideas a bit better.

765
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.800
Yeah, well, I think that that's what this version of Star Trek

766
00:34:58.800 --> 00:34:59.639
does.

767
00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:03.480
I think this version of Star Trek that we have now, you know, it's

768
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.139
the one that's taken that low effort Star Trek helmet that was

769
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:10.559
like the worst piece of Star Trek merchandise that had nothing to

770
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.199
do with the show and it's made at Canon.

771
00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.619
And I think it may accidentally have made it cannon twice in 2

772
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:17.280
different ways.

773
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:23.880
And the Pandronians have now been back, you know, decades later, we

774
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.159
have another Pantronium character.

775
00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:28.019
Yeah, mental.

776
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.980
But that episode worked perfectly well if you didn't know what a

777
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:33.239
Pandronian was.

778
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:37.739
And so they, you know, there's just this rich vein of things.

779
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.219
And I think the lower decks people, because they're the 2nd

780
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:46.679
animated version of the show, like animated in that particular way

781
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.400
they see this as their predecessor.

782
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:53.760
And so they are constantly referencing things from it.

783
00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:57.780
There was the giant Spock skeleton in one of the episodes, which

784
00:35:57.780 --> 00:35:59.099
is a reference to it.

785
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.380
We've had a dosians on the show.

786
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:06.480
You know, like this is uh, something that uh, that it seizes its

787
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.519
sort of uh, predecessor.

788
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:09.659
And I think that's great.

789
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.679
And it's sort of fun and generous and weird and wonderful, I

790
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:13.860
think.

791
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:19.559
Pretty much every criticism I throw at the animated series is

792
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:23.340
addressed and rectified in Prodigy.

793
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.320
Yeah, you know, which is like, you know, you've got weird and

794
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.699
unusual regulars that you could never realise on a regular budget

795
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:37.019
a rock bolster, and the robot eyeball, you know, and the, the, the

796
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:41.460
slime creature, Murph, you know, you've got astonishing visuals

797
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:45.780
that they could never pull off and in live action Star Trek, and

798
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:48.840
you've got madly creative stories taking place as well.

799
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:50.159
You know.

800
00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:52.800
Maybe they looked at this and said, right, let's just do the

801
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.460
opposite of this.

802
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.659
You know?

803
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.199
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, like, I think Roddenbury himself

804
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.760
said that this didn't count as canon, and I'm kind of glad to see

805
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:08.099
that being sort of flatly reversed because it is part of our sort

806
00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:09.960
of shared experience of Star Trek.

807
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:15.480
But it's an improvement, isn't it, that something like this is so

808
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.360
low effort that no one would attempt anything as just half assed

809
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.320
as this anymore.

810
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.420
And so when they do make the very 1st Star Trek series directly

811
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:31.800
aimed at children, they cast Kate Mulgrew.

812
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:34.559
They, you know, get proper writers in.

813
00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:38.940
They make it look spectacular and they give it a proper, proper

814
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:40.320
purpose as well.

815
00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.739
It's not just doing more of that shit that they did back in the

816
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:44.400
60s.

817
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:48.599
It has a sort of proper political and moral purpose.

818
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:54.179
I think, you know, it's so superior to what this show is, you know

819
00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:58.500
and I think we're lucky that we live in a world where TV is good

820
00:37:58.500 --> 00:37:59.880
on the whole.

821
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:02.699
Yeah, about 2 final points, yeah.

822
00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:05.940
And I'm going to stop criticising animated series and that's only

823
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:07.199
because the episode will be over.

824
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.960
The 1st is, thank goodness for the movies. the original series

825
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.500
movies because this would have been the last work that many of

826
00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:20.880
these actors did in the Star Trek universe and that just cannot be

827
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.780
allowed to happen.

828
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.880
And secondly, is this.

829
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.079
I'm pleased this exists.

830
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.860
Not because it's only good, because it allows us to go back and

831
00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:32.760
look at series 3 of the original series and go, I said, you know

832
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:32.940
what?

833
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.500
That wasn't too bad after all.

834
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:39.539
We did Spectra of the gun, you know, we thoroughly enjoyed that.

835
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:40.500
It's very good.

836
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.099
Yeah, works on a 1000000 ways better than this did.

837
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.420
So, um, so yeah.

838
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.139
So this dreadful iteration of Star Trek allows us to look at Fred

839
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:53.519
Freiburgers attempts and give them a thumbs up.

840
00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:55.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

841
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.519
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

842
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.500
work out what we're going to watch next.

843
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:14.820
I was the one who rolled Bem last week, so it's Joe's turn now.

844
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.000
And so what series are we going to roll from?

845
00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:21.179
Oh, I would like to thank you for rolling Ben though, because I

846
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:23.219
did get a couple of good naps in during that episode.

847
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:24.420
Oh, thank you.

848
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:25.800
I needed the rest.

849
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.320
So, going back to what we talked about last week, which was the

850
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.099
percentages of episodes that we've covered, I would like to inch

851
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.739
up a show that's quite low.

852
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:41.099
Or even though I feel like we've done quite a few, um, and that is

853
00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:42.239
Star Trek, the Next Generation.

854
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.360
Oh, because I haven't had a good word to say about that now for

855
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.679
about 5 or 6 seconds.

856
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:47.099
A long time.

857
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:50.760
I'm starting to question why I am a Star Trek fan.

858
00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:52.920
Given that's kind of where I started.

859
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:54.599
Yeah, me too.

860
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:58.260
So, um, so we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna join Captain Picard

861
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:01.559
again on a, hopefully very exciting adventure.

862
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.639
If you're ready.

863
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.619
All right, I'm ready.

864
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.940
Rest the button.

865
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:11.579
Your random Star Trek Next Generation episode is season 5, episode

866
00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:12.000
12.

867
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.980
Oh, violations.

868
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:15.840
You don't really like that one do you?

869
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:18.659
I don't really like that one because I just think that the rapey

870
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:23.940
thing is a bit of a thing, but, you know, it's solid series 5 Star

871
00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:24.719
Trek, I think.

872
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:29.099
I rather do like that one, but unfortunately, I've already pressed

873
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:29.400
it again.

874
00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:30.239
Okay, good.

875
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.019
Okay.

876
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:32.219
Oh, all good things.

877
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.000
Okay, we've done that. covered that one.

878
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.320
Your random Star Trek Next Generation episode is season one

879
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.360
episode 11, Haven.

880
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:46.260
Oh, cracking. starring Rick Astley and Bonnie Tyler.

881
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:46.920
Do you remember?

882
00:40:46.980 --> 00:40:49.320
Yeah, and Arman Schimmerman as a box.

883
00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.480
Oh, is he the box in that?

884
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.320
Oh wow.

885
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.239
Let's try again.

886
00:40:57.300 --> 00:40:58.980
Oh, God, come on.

887
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.099
When the bowel breaks.

888
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:04.860
No, it's the one way they kidnap all the children in season.

889
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:05.639
Oh, dear.

890
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.579
Do you think the randomizer's got something against me when I

891
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:10.260
select Star Trek the next generation?

892
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.219
Try it again.

893
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.599
I'm fine.

894
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.360
Journeys end from series 7.

895
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:17.099
No, that's so weird, dull.

896
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.179
Season one, episode 22. symbiosis.

897
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.260
Which they just dealt with.

898
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.320
They just went back to those planets in lower text.

899
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:29.880
Oh, no, okay.

900
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:31.860
I press it one more time, and I want to do this one.

901
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:36.179
Because it is one I've got issues with, but I think we should talk

902
00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:36.659
about the issues.

903
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:37.800
Oh okay.

904
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:41.880
Season four, episode 23, the host.

905
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:44.159
Oh, wow.

906
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:44.820
Okay.

907
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.219
Yes, a Dr. Ben. episode.

908
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.119
Yep.

909
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:53.219
Her annual fucking an alien episode. which is pretty interesting.

910
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.159
They get a chance to sort of examine Gates McFadden's performance

911
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:56.639
again.

912
00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:59.400
But also it has some very interesting things to say about

913
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:04.320
bisexuality in the future. very stupid things to say about

914
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:05.579
bisexuality in the future.

915
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.320
Yeah, okay, the host.

916
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.659
If you dropped her in the middle of discovery, she wouldn't know

917
00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:11.400
what was going on, which is right.

918
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.719
The host, yeah. yeah that would be a good one to talk about.

919
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:17.039
All right, good plan.

920
00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:17.579
Excellent.

921
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:18.599
And it's season four.

922
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:19.920
I don't think we've been there for a while.

923
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:21.059
Yeah it's good.

924
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:22.019
Let's do it.

925
00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:32.940
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

926
00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:37.500
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

927
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.719
com, where you can find links to our Twitter, mastered on Facebook

928
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:41.099
and YouTube channel.

929
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

930
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:46.260
by Cameron Lam.

931
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.059
This episode was recorded on the 17th of July 2023 and released on

932
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:52.260
the 21st of July.

933
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:56.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

934
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:56.699
host.

935
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.360
Yeah, that's a good...

936
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.099
That's a good E. Yeah.

937
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.280
It's funny, the trill thing, isn't it?

938
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:24.659
Because the trill really take off, but obviously that stupid head

939
00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:25.679
makeup thing.

940
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:28.980
Well, there's types of things that are different. did it, didn't

941
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:29.099
they?

942
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:29.639
They did it.

943
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.760
And then the producers came in and said, why have you made this

944
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.679
beautiful woman we brought in look like that?

945
00:43:34.739 --> 00:43:35.579
Look like that.

946
00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:37.440
Just give up the spots.

947
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.880
But the spots were just that, weren't they?

948
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:44.940
And now, like there's trills in it all of the seasons, we had

949
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:46.619
trilling discovery.

950
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.019
Um, Yeah.

951
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:57.420
We had a sense here, you know, um, Jim, what's her name?

952
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.539
Tahani from Jameila Jamal.

953
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:01.980
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

954
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.000
But also, you know, the, the, the, uh, gray. as well.

955
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:07.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

956
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:09.659
That stuff was beautiful, actually. was really good.

957
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.280
Would you remember when um, uh, I can't remember their name.

958
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:23.039
The other trill, the actual trill host, the tile host, Adira.

959
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:24.420
Yeah, yeah.

960
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.719
Yeah, we covered that episode, didn't we?

962
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:31.559
Yeah, and that had all sorts of interesting things to say about

963
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.559
identity and stuff and love.

964
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:35.519
It was really good.

965
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:41.579
Like, and they leave doing trills until they get to the future.

966
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:43.860
Do you know what I mean?

967
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.480
is if they're discovered sometime in the in the 24th century or

968
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.679
something by, you know, 1st content. that romance in there, though

969
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.400
because the actual trail characters are all a bit. sort of Star

970
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.199
Trek aliens, you know, very serious.

971
00:44:58.260 --> 00:44:58.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

972
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.659
I was like, come on, your episode though.

973
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.480
Look back to Chad Zia, you know, she was a good time girl.

974
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:04.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:05.760
Having a bit of fun.

976
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:09.000
Those hot trill men in the holodeck that she had.

977
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:12.780
Right, everyone else, you know, as Wolf said.

978
00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:16.440
I don't believe there's anyone on T-space and I, you have not had

979
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:17.460
revolutions with.

980
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.500
Yeah, good for her. like that.

981
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.460
I like it when she talks to Kira and wise her up about all the

982
00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:24.659
weird people she fancies.

983
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.199
He goes, I went on a date with that Captain Bodet.

984
00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:28.980
She goes, really?

985
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.719
The one with the transparent skull.

986
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:31.440
Skull.

987
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:33.719
Great.

988
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:37.440
So the mourn conversation as well. remember that?

989
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:38.699
The little bristles.

990
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:45.900
Yeah, but that's like that's, I like that in a way.

991
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.659
Oh, you know, the horrible, horny horniness in series one or 2 of

992
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:55.199
Star Trek Next Generation, which is sort of gross. sort of leaves

993
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:57.900
your keys in this bowl by the door.

994
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:04.019
You know, like, uh, um, but that, you know, that's, and it's a

995
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:06.659
grown-up attitude to sex that you don't ever get on Voyager.

996
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:12.420
Yeah, you know, or Enterprise. times we've talked about enterprise

997
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.679
and how shit...

998
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:14.280
How can we live?

999
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:17.099
into the holiday, you know.

1000
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:17.820
Yuck.

1001
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:18.900
Yuck, yuck.

1002
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:23.699
Although 7 does have some great lines about Sex on Voyager, you

1003
00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:24.059
know.

1004
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.340
Yeah, why doesn't she tell, tell him.

1005
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:30.179
I don't keep it taking his clothes off. on deck deck 16 that

1006
00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:31.860
doesn't know when you're having relations.

1007
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.280
No, but doesn't she tell, doesn't she tell Harry him to remove his

1008
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:35.699
clothes?

1009
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.019
Oh, just like that as well.

1010
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.280
You may remove your clothes.

1011
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:40.079
He's like, oh, no, what?

1012
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:45.000
She goes, there is unacceptable illumination in here.

1013
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:47.099
He goes, no, but it's quite relaxing, don't you think?

1014
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:48.960
She's only realising, yeah.

1015
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:51.360
Oh dear.

1016
00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:53.820
It's like it's like straight panic, yes.

1017
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.699
There was some really funny sex stuff in this week's Drain Shoe

1018
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:04.199
Worlds because it was like the annual Spock to Pring comedy

1019
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.300
episode.

1020
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:11.099
And like, it was good, like, and really funny, ridiculous stuff.

1021
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:16.019
There's a scene between Spock and Laan suddenly realises what's

1022
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:18.960
going on and puts a stop to it.

1023
00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:23.340
Like, it's very funny and, you know, like properly good.

1024
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.699
I think I'm going to binge the whole, when it's out, I'm going to

1025
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:27.300
do all of them.

1026
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.380
You did watch the Spock to bring body swap episode from series.

1027
00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:32.519
Yeah, yeah.

1028
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.900
I watched the order of one.

1029
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.239
Yeah, I don't think you watched the last episode.

1030
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:36.960
Did you?

1031
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:39.000
And you didn't want to...

1032
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.039
Lift us where suffering cannot reach, which Gemma hated, and I

1033
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:44.699
thought was really good.

1034
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.139
That's good.

1035
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.219
It was a good episode.

1036
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.360
The weird non-urgency tonight to have to watch new stuff.

1037
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:52.800
It's very strange.

1038
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:55.260
And you've got the crossover.

1039
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.079
So the episode, so when this episode goes out, they'll, they'll

1040
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.780
have done episode 6 and then episode 7 is the crossover episode.

1041
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.019
You have to remember how much media I'm consuming, though, all

1042
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:07.320
right?

1043
00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:10.019
Yeah, this is all I watch.

1044
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:10.920
Yeah, yeah.

1045
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:14.880
Books, audios, television.

1046
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:15.659
It is true.

1047
00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:20.639
I'm going to press stop. do you reckon?