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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are right at the end of Deep Space 9 this week.

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We're in the final 10 episode run that Vic Fontaine was singing about with Ben Sisco just a few episodes earlier.

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So this is the changing face of evil, and I want to say it's like episode 20 or something of series 7.

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The whole sort of last 10 episodes was advertised as the final chapter.

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Big Space and I, the final chapter.

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Um, yeah, and change phase.

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I think it is the 20th, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And what do you think?

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Oh, what do I think?

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Come on.

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People at home want to know.

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I think that they played season 7. brilliantly.

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I do think there are some weaknesses in the 1st half of season seven.

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You've got stuff like Prodigal Daughter, the Emperor's new cloak, that weird one where the genetic mutant comes along and Bashir tries to seduce her, despite the fact that he's her doctor and she's his patient.

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But it does also have, you know, we did image in the sand and shout out some symbols, take me out to the hollow suite, had a being better bang.

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But it is essentially sort of marking time because they know that they're going to do this whopping gray arc at the end of the series.

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And what's been interesting is I watched this, adored it, of course I did.

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Then I went back and watched the 3 episodes that led up to this, and now I'm watching the episodes that follow on from this.

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Because this is terrific stuff, I think.

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I think back in the day, I was convinced this was like hard science fiction, you know, like very serious Star Trek, you know, on a war footing and due to many conversations with you.

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Now I'm aware this is just an enormous soap opera.

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And I just have a huge taste for soap opera.

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I thought it was just magnificent and it was precisely because it was soap opera.

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And I think we did an episode of Discovery a while back, right?

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And it was part of the Mirror Universe arc, which is about 5 episodes long, and it was like the worst episode of the Mirror Universe.

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Yeah, yeah, not bad.

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No, no, but just everyone's plot is inched along just sort of slightly and nothing very big happens and so it ends up being sort of fairly disposable.

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Here, it's the opposite, where you have several really kind of massive events. happen.

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Like pretty seriously massive events.

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But the plots just sort of keep being inched along and stuff.

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And I have a theory about what happens, right?

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Or why this happens.

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And I think what it is.

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They've got a lot of threads that they want to close.

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They've got a lot of characters that they want to do the right thing by.

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But because contractually they're kind of obliged to have everyone, in every episode, they can't do the Ducart Kai-win episode, they can't do the DeMar episode.

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So what they have to do instead is just serialise all of them all the way through. so that everyone gets a go all the time.

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You know, the doctor is bizarrely on board the Defiant for this big battle, for instance, for no other reason, except that he has a plot that needs to keep going.

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I mean he often is.

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It's worth remembering every time they go off in the defiant, he's there.

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Just in case there's a casualty, you know. right.

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That's Okawa's sisters back at the station, you know, looking after it.

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Okay.

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The infirmary.

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But the soap opera thing is so much fun.

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I mean, it's so enjoyable.

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Well, can I give you a quote from Ira Stephen Bear?

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There's something to say about this as well.

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Okay.

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He says he was a big fan of how this episode mixes the larger war stories with the trivial domestic stories.

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So he says, we like the idea of showing the domestic life.

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In the midst of all the pressures that Cisco is under.

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He still has issues at home.

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He's still a human being.

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Cassidy still burns his peppers and that hurts.

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Life is hard.

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You should not have your peppers burnt under any circumstances.

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No, you mean something else.

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But that subplot is great.

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The Cassidy Ben subplot, it builds upon something that we've already seen before, and then the other subplot, which is like Miles and Julian, and war.

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Something going on there, right?

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Yeah, and Wharf and Esri as well.

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Like, that's really great.

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It's not massive.

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You know, it doesn't take up a lot of time, but it's really enjoyable and it's what we want.

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Like, I don't think we want just endless space battles and war and seriousness and stuff because that's not what the show has been for 7 years.

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The show has been about these characters that we really like, that we know well, that work well in various sort of groupings and stuff.

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And we want to see stuff happening to them, not just stuff happening.

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And so I think it's terrific.

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What's astonishing is how much ground they cover in these 10 episodes.

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And I did sort of read an interview where they said they really wanted to do it over a season, but that was just never going to happen.

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I think for them to get 10 episodes.

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At this point is a miracle.

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But like, you know, so far in this 10 episode arc.

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You've had the whole Ezri goes looking for wharf and they've had a bit of a fling and then decided for a series of fabulous sitcom moments where he, you know, points out she's the biggest slut of Deep Space 9. that they're not going to be in a relationship and they're actually going to be friends.

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You've had Kai Wynn coming to the station to officiate Cisco's wedding because perhaps he thought she wasn't available.

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Um, and um, you know, being surgically ordered in fabulous soap opera fashion and seducing her.

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And that's done over a couple of episodes.

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And then in the same breath, you've got Demar sick of Weyune constantly niggling out here and realising he's actually a 2nd class citizen on his own planet and they're being totally manipulated and used as cannon fodder, giving up the booze.

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That's a very important moment in a couple of episodes before this, where he throws the canara, the mirror, and decides to turn a corner.

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That's bubbling along.

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Cisco got married to Cassidy in the last couple of episodes.

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That's bubbling a lot.

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And you're right, all of these plots are inching along.

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None of it feels rushed, I don't think.

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No.

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And the best part of all is all of it is being buoyed by just this phenomenal cast that they've assembled.

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So the acting is amazing in these 10 episodes.

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So it means if it's when you hit with, you know, the change of face of evil, it sort of plays like day in the life of all these people for about 30 minutes, with things sort of inching along and a bit of suspense and things like that.

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But then in the last 10 minutes, it's like, we're going to destroy the defiant winds finally going over to the dark side for good and demand defecting from the Dominion.

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And because we understand the characters, because we're so invested in the characters.

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It's their reactions to those events that gives you the chills in those moments that really makes those moments impact.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think that that's, you know, why it ends in a surprising place, I think, for an episode that has an attack on Earth, for an episode that has the destruction of the defiant.

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It actually ends in a different place from what you expect, and I think that's a good choice.

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I have to say though, that I don't think that this version of the show would have worked for much longer than this.

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I think it is a thing that you can do in the lead up to the end, but I think you still do for Star Trek need to tune in for a particular thing to happen.

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So the kind of serialisation that, say, discovery does, which is each episode coheres around an idea, and it's the same people then experiencing the next step on.

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They're all linked, but they are single individual episodes.

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Certainly that's how Discovery Series 3 and 4 worked at least.

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That's not what we have here.

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That's the sort of serialisation.

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I think that's introduced by enterprise in series 3 and four, for instance.

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I think it's worth remembering with this. you know, we're building up to the end of the series.

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So they can afford to be as bold as they want exactly.

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And, you know, this is exactly the same point in DS9 that Genesis was in the next generation.

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And they are like chalk and cheese in terms of substance and content.

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Now, I'm not going to say which one's better.

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Oh, you know which one, I think it's better, but this is where Star Trek's come along since, you know, season 7 of the next generation.

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Actually, I don't know if you watched the what they left behind DS9 documentary.

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No, but I should.

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I really should.

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It's it's got some great trivia in there.

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But they get all the writers together for one day.

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They've all got busy lives now.

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You know, Ron Moore went off and did Battle Cycle out to get RS Stephen Beers done a ton of shows.

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Like they're all really, you know, they're doing work.

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And they all come together in the old writer's room where they wrote DS9 on the whiteboard that they use.

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It's still there and they pitch season eight, episode one.

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And you can see how they were sort, like, we've said before, how they're literally making it up and going, oh, my God, wouldn't it be cool with, oh, and do you remember when we did that?

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So let's lead that to this.

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And so you actually get an insight into how they were creating this at the time.

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They don't just do the same thing.

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You're right.

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Like, this would have come to a conclusion here.

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And I think if there was a serious eight.

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They weren't obvious to keep going doing the same thing.

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They would have gone off in another direction and done something really exciting.

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Yeah.

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Because this is the one Star Trek maybe apart from the big change between Discovery series 2 and series 3 that fundamentally changes its premise.

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But unlike Discovery, it does it over and over again.

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Nearly every season the premise changes.

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And I think that's amazingly interesting.

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And so it's the one that's allowed to do a big soap opera in the lead up to the end of it because it is going to create a whole new status quo for the end.

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When you've got Louise Fletcher, saying these soap opera lines and Mark Alamo and people, and then our visitor going, you know, that's what happens when you share your toys.

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So cute.

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Oh, that's glorious.

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And Penny Johnson.

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So great.

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So superb.

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I just wanted to say to you, Nathan.

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I'm going to go speak to your boss and say, please don't turn my husband on any more dangerous missions.

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Just as that hits as well.

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Oh, it's great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She's really good Yeah, and you know, what a savviest moves they did in the last season.

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They've highlighted the regulars for 6 years previous to this.

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They chose to pit select several of the secondary cars.

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Cassidy gets a ton of material in seven.

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DeMar does, Wayoon does, Kai Wynn and Ducat.

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You know, they've sort of cherry picked, one of our best secondary characters, and let's just give them some great material.

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Yeah, no, I think they've done a really, really good job and this is a really fun hour of TV, I reckon.

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Whatever you and me talk about a Star Trek soap, it's just the best thing ever.

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So that's going to have some fun.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Well, I will count us in.

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Let's go 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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Really, not a typical Star Trek episode because we're picking up without a previously on.

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Yeah.

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They're arriving back on the station because they've been away for 3 episodes.

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This is very much a previously on because they're all explaining things to each other. you know, this is sort of classic exposition scene.

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They manage to crack a joke about Morn.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I do feel like the banter, the dialogue in this episode. they kind of they're getting there.

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If they're not completely there.

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No, they're very fun.

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And Ezrie, doesn't Ezrie just feel like she just fits in now?

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's so cute.

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She's adorable.

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I said this before, but I think she is adorable.

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And I love how he, you know, isn't cross.

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He calls her old man immediately rather than rousing on her for sort of leaving without permission sort of thing.

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It's, it's, again, I found that this actually helped me get into sort of position to find out where they were.

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This actually worked.

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It did the job because I hadn't watched the previous episode for a while.

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This got me in there.

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I think it does quite a good job and it's reasonably entertaining, you know.

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Well, they've gone down this route because all the other episodes of these 10 have a previously on, which tells you exactly where they've been.

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So just for one episode, they've decided to have this scene at the beginning.

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Oh, look, here's Bashir, given her moon eyes.

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Yeah, so...

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Oh, for a plot number one.

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Well, I actually really like this.

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So Wharf is having to be a grown-up now.

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You know, Jed Z is gone.

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Here Nazri have had a thing, but I've decided it doesn't work.

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And so he is a confidant, isn't he?

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Her confidante.

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I'm discussing...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think that works really well for Worf, too, because he gets to be sort of slightly snarky and stuff.

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He's really fun.

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He plays with toys.

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Yeah, yeah. over and over again.

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Well, you've got to remember is, Do you know how the, do you remember how the, the Ezri Bashir, you know, the fact that she's got feelings for him was revealed. is the most soap opera thing they ever did.

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So she's been tortured by the Breen energy weapons, yeah?

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So she's in a sort of day state on the bed and she's going, oh, no, no.

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Kiss me, Julian.

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It's an exposition coma.

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And they're the close-up on wharf, looking absolutely horrified because I just had sex.

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Oh my god, it's so funny.

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Oh, God.

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And then he gets to those wonderful lines where he goes, you know, considering how many men you have slept with.

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That is quite a statement.

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I think he's great when he's a bit of a bitch, you know, wolf.

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Yeah, yeah. they're just writing funny. you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

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Because that character had a completely different role, the being wrong role on Star Trek, the Next Generation, as I've observed.

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But here he's just part of the ensemble and he gets to be funny.

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I don't know if you remember, but in 2 episodes time, is when Gowron comes along, takes away command from Martok and starts fucking up the war completely, sending out the...

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Yeah, and then Edgerie sits wharf down and says, do you know what?

219
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I think the going on Empire is on the verge of extinction and I think it deserves to die.

220
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It doesn't work here anymore.

221
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And, you know, to say that to Warf, who's initially horrified and then acknowledges that she's right and then goes and does something about it, even murders Garon in the moment.

222
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I think on way possible.

223
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But that relationship, it's really, it's wreaking like rewards now.

224
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So we heard about the attack.

225
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That was how we went into the credits.

226
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So we, that entire pre-credit sequence was just a conversation in one of the corridors, the space corridors.

227
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And then we hear about the attack on Earth.

228
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We come and we see the attack on Earth on their tiny screen.

229
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That's about...

230
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CGI is not fisticated enough. how much we need to see.

231
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We don't need any more than that.

232
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Look, it was okay.

233
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It's not bad.

234
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You've got like lots of people running around Starfleet headquarters in a panic.

235
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Yeah, yeah, it's not too bad.

236
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But it's made the point, isn't it, is that they basically made a massive, you know, the Earth's always considered like, you know, the beacon of hope for the Federation.

237
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Yeah, yeah.

238
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Yeah.

239
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Yeah.

240
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And because it's sort of central, it's not on the outskirts.

241
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It's not on a border, you know.

242
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Um, yeah.

243
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Yeah.

244
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But you know what?

245
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I do have one complaint about this episode.

246
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And I always really like Avery Brooks.

247
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I thought he was very underplayed throughout this entire episode.

248
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He's doing that sort of soft menacing purr throughout.

249
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Oh, no.

250
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The brain.

251
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So I think at this point in the series, they've decided that they need the brain and the brain are good and are a good addition, but they don't want to add any new characters and possibly they don't want to pay any additional actors.

252
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And so the brain can just be people standing around in suits, making that sort of weird electronic thing, which, you know, they're weird and inscrutable.

253
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We never see their faces and stuff, but it is a budgetary issue as well.

254
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I love in a strange bedfellows.

255
00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.960
So that's too previous to this when, you know, that's exposed to breed dominionized.

256
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There's a scene that starts with the breeding game, blah, blah, you know, that weird burly noise.

257
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And then Wayun just cracks into laughter and goes, oh, what a funny joke.

258
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We don't even need to make up the jokes anymore.

259
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Yeah.

260
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No, but isn't that isn't that the joke?

261
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The joke is them playing with the fact that they're not riding lines for the brain and that even happens in this scene.

262
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The, the, um, they look a lot like, you know, at the beginning of Return of the Jedi when Leia turns up in Jabber's Palace, dress as a bounty hunter, and that's what they remind me of.

263
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That's the same sort of helmet, I think.

264
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Damar.

265
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Let's talk about...

266
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God, he's good in this scene and he's really good.

267
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Like, he was good before, but seeing him on the front foot and seeing him be, you know, be a bit less pathetic, watching him grow a pair.

268
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He's so great.

269
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He's really good.

270
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And the sort of the amount of time they gave him throughout these 10 episodes to turn that corner.

271
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Oh, hang on.

272
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We'll come back to tomorrow.

273
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No one touches my peppers.

274
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Okay.

275
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I love the stove prop.

276
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Look at the prop. that they're using for the style.

277
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Well, it's like you said about Strange New World.

278
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They have scenes where the whole cruise in there and he's whipping up an omelet and things like that, you know, that sort of nice sort of physical social encounter that you don't really have anywhere else.

279
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And I suppose you do with Neelix, don't you, in the mess hole?

280
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Yeah, yeah.

281
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Yeah.

282
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But like having the command crew, you know, come together. can actually cook.

283
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That's the difference.

284
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Yeah, hideous, you know.

285
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Leola root stew and things like that.

286
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Oh, I love, I, look, they're just so naturally intimate with each other as well.

287
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She is so good.

288
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I mean, I think the sad thing is, like, we don't get any Cisco, this episode, and the relationship between Eddie Cisco, any Jake. this episode.

289
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And the relationship between Ben and Jake does take a back seat, I think, to the relationship between Ben and Cassidy towards the end of the series, which I think is a bit of a shame.

290
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People were appalled, weren't they, when he says goodbye to Cassidy in the last episode and then not to Jake?

291
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But then that does leave you with that really sort of melancholic final scene where he's staring out at the wormhole.

292
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I thought that was a really, it's almost like, you know, it's not quite over.

293
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He'll be back.

294
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Yeah.

295
00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:19.619
Also, I like I like this character of Rassat a lot because that's who Demar used to be. before he fell under Weighing's thumb.

296
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I was saying that Demar has a demand now. like he has his own demand.

297
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He's got so good.

298
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And, and I have to say too, that I, I actually think that we lose something in the change in um, Ducart's character and in the changing wind's character.

299
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But having demand now as the guy in charge of the Cardassians, which kind of makes sense, he's so good.

300
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It's... and that's what's interesting about it.

301
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From the 2nd he took control or not, because he was way of hopeless.

302
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He was hopeless.

303
00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.220
Yeah, and they knew that and they exploited that.

304
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And suddenly 1000000s of Cardassians are dying because he's not strong enough to say, well, he is now, but he wasn't then to say, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to use them like that.

305
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.079
Rasot goes on to be so interesting.

306
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He's got 2 more episodes after this.

307
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Okay. before Damara is the one.

308
00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:31.079
So basically, Kira, in a very savvy move from the writers, has to join the Cardassian resistance and help them overthrow.

309
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It's the ultimate irony Yeah, the best plot thread of the entire last 10.

310
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Um, and DeMar, I was going to have to choose between either killing Kira or killing Rassart.

311
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So basically the new Cardassia or the old Cardassia.

312
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Yeah, yeah.

313
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And it's such a brilliant scene because you know, for a 2nd you don't quite know which way he's going to go.

314
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It's wonderful.

315
00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.480
The other thing too is that Casey Bigs is sort of handsome. isn't he?

316
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Like he's a good looking man, even under all the lizard makeup.

317
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He's got sort of subtle charisma as well.

318
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Yes, yeah, I think so too.

319
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So speaking about the under the lizard makeup, this scene is absolutely hilarious.

320
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So we have Soulbore and...

321
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She's cancelling all of her appointments. because she doesn't want to do anything with anyone and she's saying I'm going to do a lot of meditation and stuff.

322
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So just piss off and leave me alone.

323
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:39.240
And then, and then, like, in a normal drama, that entrance there of gull, you can't would have been him wrapped in a towel kind of drink.

324
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Because he comes out and starts ordering breakfast from Soulbore and like clearly they've been fucking and, you know, and Soulbore goes, Ah, yes, I see.

325
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You know, like that's the conclusion that he comes to as well.

326
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No day for he goes.

327
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I see.

328
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He's so, he's literally, he spends his whole, this whole episode just appalled at everything that's going on.

329
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And so I do agree with you.

330
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I do think Win and Ducat are sort of more comic book villains now than the very multifaceted villains they were before.

331
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Yeah.

332
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But, and it's a big thing.

333
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:24.900
What you get is massively funny, high camp scenes with 2 amazing acts.

334
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:32.759
It's the slimiest romance you're ever going to see on television between Gold Ducat and Kai Wynn and I just love both actors.

335
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.259
Yeah, yeah.

336
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.779
Well, they just turn a line, can't let both of them.

337
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:37.380
Yeah.

338
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.920
But like the interesting thing about her character.

339
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Like we have Kia Parker in series one and then she goes away and Kai Wynn turns up and her 1st big thing is insisting that creationism gets taught in the school, you know, um, uh, and I think that her kind of she's devious and manipulative and has this sort of um, surface kind of piety which you can't buy and which is also, which you can't really buy and which is really slappable well.

340
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.519
She's so low.

341
00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:15.900
I've heard her cool, you know?

342
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.880
Yeah, but I think it's better than that.

343
00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:19.980
And I think she's so loathsome.

344
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:24.539
Like she's, you really, really want her to get her comeuppance and she never does.

345
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:26.400
She was great.

346
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:28.680
She's always loathsome with a smile, you know?

347
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:31.500
Yeah, yeah. sort of self-satisfied smile.

348
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:33.299
Yeah, it's wonderful.

349
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:35.640
It's a great religious leader.

350
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.599
That's what they like.

351
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.559
They're all like that.

352
00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:47.880
But you know, I will I'll make a defence of the 1st couple of episodes of this art, though, where she thinks she's been contacted by the prophets in Till Death to Us part.

353
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.680
Then Dukart comes in and it's a massive manipulation by the power raves.

354
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:59.339
Then she realises it's a power ride. appalled and she actually, there's a sequence where she just begs to one of the orbs.

355
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Please talk to me, oh, renounce them, you know, and all of that.

356
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:05.519
So it's not like it's something that happens very quickly.

357
00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:08.039
You do see the transition from.

358
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:10.440
But I think it's at this point, change your face of evil.

359
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.740
She's just evil now, you know, and that loses all the subtlety.

360
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:21.900
Well, in fact, she's not quite evil yet, and it is because she doesn't know that this is Duquart.

361
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.920
And, of course, she's going to stab softball.

362
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.660
You recognise the face of your enemy.

363
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.440
Oh, okay.

364
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.359
So this Alamo toy.

365
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:39.299
I mean, what was it about the Alamo in the last season and this pair?

366
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.819
Yeah, so what are they doing?

367
00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:48.839
So this is what they're doing to disguise the fact that they're kind of shagging like rabbits when everyone else is out of the room.

368
00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:56.579
It is kind of acknowledged in one of the episodes coming up where Bashir says, you know, I love Ezri, but I like you a bit more.

369
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.539
So it's all I'm heading in that direction.

370
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.480
And then Miles just goes, well, I love my wife, all right?

371
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:04.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

372
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.119
Straight panic.

373
00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:11.940
What I was thinking about this, I was like, this is just like people playing Warhammer and those sort of games, isn't it?

374
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in the shops.

375
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You know, there's something to take their mind off the fact that terrible things are going on.

376
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:20.039
And it's a famous loss, isn't it?

377
00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.740
Like it's a famous catastrophic loss.

378
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.119
Remember the Alamo.

379
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:37.500
And so I think that having them play with an Alamo thing, I mean, we know that everything's going to be fine, but I do think that there's an edge to that being the thing that they're playing with at the moment.

380
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.779
I like cork's nerves as well.

381
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.740
Like, for once, he's just not the comedy character in the scene.

382
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.839
He's like, I think we should build a moat around the station.

383
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah, you know Yeah.

384
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.000
He can't believe that they're just playing.

385
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.180
Oh, this is even better with toys.

386
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:54.839
He is a child.

387
00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:01.019
When it says later on, with little figures and she goes, it's a model, okay?

388
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:05.759
But she deliberately misunderstands him and he says he calls her on it.

389
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:07.799
You know, I was talking about Bashir and you know it.

390
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:15.420
You know, like they're actually working really, really well together. he looks over the balcony, doesn't he?

391
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:21.180
And he goes, you know, I could defend that four, you know, and she goes, well, look, if you want to go and play with them, off you go, you know.

392
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.180
All boys together.

393
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.740
And she is being a bit defensive.

394
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.640
Like she is kind of a bit like she sees his point.

395
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:34.019
It's cute.

396
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.160
I think it is cute.

397
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:43.680
Do you remember the sequence where Bashir, it actually finally get together when they're going up in the turbo lift together and then it comes up into ops.

398
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:45.420
By the time they get there, they're snogging.

399
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.660
And everyone can see, and Wolf goes, oh, God.

400
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.539
And he presses the button to get the lift to go back down.

401
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.279
It's complete a total soap operato.

402
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:01.079
That's why we love it Yes, okay.

403
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:03.359
So this is the beat where he says it's not defendable.

404
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:12.539
I really want to, I would like to talk about how they visually differentiate the 3 locations in this as well because, okay, yeah.

405
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.140
I think we've got a lot of different sets in play here, don't you?

406
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:24.420
You've got the defiant, the station, Cardassia, Bajor, and I think they're doing more so than design, although design's involved.

407
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.460
It's the lighting in all the different places and they're doing lots of establishing shots as well.

408
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:35.759
So you keep getting that shot of Bajor with the temples and the waterfalls, that all Willian shot of Cardassia.

409
00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:38.880
It feels like we're on a big stage now.

410
00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:46.559
This scene, like, um, Casey Biggs is so good in this scene with Wayoon.

411
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:47.460
Look at him.

412
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.980
He's like absolutely in control.

413
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:54.660
He's holding back. you know, there's none of the sort of patheticness.

414
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:59.099
And and Wayoon is actually a little bit on the back foot as well.

415
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.519
And he's a total gossip as well about the brain, isn't he?

416
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:12.839
I wondered whether this was actually doing a funny retcon of something about the brain because the brain do get mentioned in TNG, I think.

417
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:17.640
And then that's just a name that they use, you know, for this.

418
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.599
But I kind of like the idea they just wear the refrigeration suits for no reason.

419
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:22.799
Like, why do they do that?

420
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:43.980
Oh, I don't know if you noticed that they, throughout the episode, it's an interesting directional choice, they often have a Cardassian behind Wayoon when he's in seats and they're setting up that last scene where the Cardassians have turned and he's got one bit and he gives him like a look like, 0 God, I've got to watch my back now, you know?

421
00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:46.079
Look at that.

422
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.059
Look how good looking he is.

423
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.420
Look, even despite the lizard maker. lips as well, isn't it?

424
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:52.680
He's got nice lips.

425
00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:53.640
Yeah, yeah.

426
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:58.440
You know, like talking about actors that can turn a line, Jeffrey Combs.

427
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:04.019
There's something different about you today, DeMar.

428
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.519
Is he the campus character in Star Trek?

429
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.079
It's pretty great, isn't he?

430
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:14.460
He is very canned. stepped out into the light once again.

431
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:33.480
And the thing is that he is completely wrong. and Damar isn't really giving him anything or, you know, like he's, he's kind of, and you know me so well because he's completely misanalyzed exactly what's going on.

432
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:45.779
And then, uh, then, uh, um, why in says, oh, you know, um, isn't it nice when we, when we agree, you know, like he's completely...

433
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.819
Yes, I like it so much better when we agree.

434
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:52.680
I totally misread the entire sequence.

435
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.140
It's a little tight smile from demand.

436
00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:56.099
Well, we haven't seen before.

437
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.500
One big happy family, aren't we?

438
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.200
So I think we know.

439
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:02.460
We do know, don't we?

440
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.220
Because we had the conversation with, what's his name, Resant or something.

441
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.059
Yeah.

442
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:07.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

443
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:08.039
Yeah.

444
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:21.180
So again, you know, she was teaching creationism and she was joining, you know, like doing treaties and and having barile killed, which is, you know, fair enough.

445
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:24.900
But here it's magic books.

446
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.940
She has to find a magic book.

447
00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:33.180
And it's so like, no, it's a magic book that after you've murdered somebody and spilled our blood on it.

448
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.200
The words appear.

449
00:31:34.259 --> 00:31:35.339
Yeah, then the words appear.

450
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.680
And she even pretended to me. don't like that shit, right?

451
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:38.640
No, I love it.

452
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.359
It's wonderful.

453
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:42.299
And it's so not science fiction at all.

454
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:52.980
And all I can think about, like, I've never watched Days of our Lives, but my friend, my very close friend, Robert Watches, watches it all the time.

455
00:31:53.039 --> 00:32:02.880
And it's a soap, daytime soap opera, American daytime soap opera, but like the lead is sometimes possessed by the devil and they go and they look for magic artefacts and stuff.

456
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:09.299
It's not, like it's, it's, you know, supposed to be sort of an everyday thing, but there's supernatural stuff that happens in it.

457
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:10.559
And that's what this is.

458
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:12.779
Like this is a soap opera.

459
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:25.319
And, you know, even the fact that outside the window, there's a painted backdrop, a pretty great painted backdrop, but still, you know, reminded me of Dante's Cove, you know, which is a gay soap opera, a really dreadful one.

460
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:28.500
But it's a gay soap opera with like witchcraft leanings to it.

461
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.900
Yes, it was very often spells and magical books and, you know, in between all the anal sex as well.

462
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.440
Yeah, well, it was a great, a great watch, obviously.

463
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:40.859
Well, it's the same period, isn't it?

464
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.880
It's 90s, isn't it?

465
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:42.960
Dante's Cove?

466
00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:43.319
yeah.

467
00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:43.740
Yeah.

468
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:51.000
I do like as well that throughout these scenes, Soulboy is constantly trying to claw her back, you know, someone's on her side.

469
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah, yeah.

470
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:55.140
The guy punches him in the face, the poor fella.

471
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.160
That's so great.

472
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:57.119
That's pretty good.

473
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.119
And he sort of goes, yeah, wow, I haven't punched people in the face for a while.

474
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:03.720
That was great.

475
00:33:03.779 --> 00:33:06.420
You know, he's got his fist, isn't he?

476
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.319
He gets his hand and sort of like goes, yeah, that was that was good.

477
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.640
That felt good. doing that.

478
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:17.519
But then when he comes back in the room and she's asleep and he sort of gives her a look like a snake approaching it, cry.

479
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:19.920
And then sort of goes, wake up, my love.

480
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.160
It's so funny.

481
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:29.579
The other thing that he's just absurd is that she doesn't recognise him, like, whoa, or anybody.

482
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.279
He was walking around the station, you know, like that.

483
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:34.019
No one recognises it.

484
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:37.619
I think like a soap opera, when people are recast, you just have to go with it.

485
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.240
Yeah, well that's it.

486
00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:45.839
But I mean, the fact is that, you know, everyone can just look like everyone else that's completely well established.

487
00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:49.440
We've seen it before, that we did 2nd skin, for God's sake.

488
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:50.940
So we know that it's possible.

489
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.319
Genesis, where people can be evolved into monsters and then be back to normal.

490
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.160
And then be back next week.

491
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.119
By the... the last that break. implausible, you know?

492
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:04.980
But the fact, but again, it's very so proper-ish, isn't it?

493
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:15.420
that that can see that, you know, he has to be played, um, he has to be played, uh, by Mark Elamo because that's who plays, you can't.

494
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.559
But, you know, for you recognise his voice, you know.

495
00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:28.320
There was a line earlier where I really wish they'd just added one extra bit to it, which goes, you know, I can't keep pretending these robes, you know, this office.

496
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:33.659
And what I wanted that to say was this shitty backdrop behind me. baiting.

497
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.159
Oh it's terrible, isn't it?

498
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:36.119
It is really bad.

499
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:41.579
And the weird thing is the lighting's good because you're going throughout a single day in these sequences.

500
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:45.659
So the sunlight starts creeping in and going down and that's really effective.

501
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:46.920
But that backdrop.

502
00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:52.019
I mean, I have to say the paper on the book doesn't look like old paper.

503
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.900
It looks like butcher's paper that they've kind of distressed.

504
00:34:57.659 --> 00:34:59.820
Oh, dear.

505
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:04.980
But I think the idea is, obviously, her office is in some glorious position in the mountains, isn't it?

506
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:05.760
you know, high up.

507
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:11.099
Yeah, I think it looks really good and I like the, I mean, I love the establishing shots of Bajor.

508
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.300
I think they look really terrific.

509
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:17.219
See, like, none of the plots are moving, really, are they at the moment?

510
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:25.380
We're sort of getting a hint that they're going to. with every successive scene, but now we get another sitcom moment between Cisco and Cassidy Yates.

511
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like they're fighting.

512
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:32.340
We go outside and don't actually hear, do we?

513
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.300
He starts.

514
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.900
Oh, it's so good this scene, isn't it?

515
00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:41.099
Because he's pulled this shit before and she didn't know last time.

516
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.000
She didn't find out.

517
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:43.679
We went off about it last time.

518
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:44.820
Yeah, yeah.

519
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:45.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.440
She goes, oh, my shifts have been rerouted somewhere.

521
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:51.360
Sometimes he knows he's fancy that.

522
00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.139
Who, yeah.

523
00:35:52.860 --> 00:36:01.019
The thing is, I understand his motive, but the fact that he's taking control from and the choice is entirely wrong.

524
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.300
And they've actually just calls him out on his bullshit, you know?

525
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:10.679
It's really good I mean, I think they did this in strange bedfallows as well, where, you know, what's his name?

526
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:11.460
Wharf's mate.

527
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.480
What's the Klingons name?

528
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:13.260
Why can't I remember?

529
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.760
Who, Martok?

530
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:15.719
Martin, thank you.

531
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:22.260
He has the same Cisco and he goes, you know, you may win the battle, but she will always win the war.

532
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.239
And he's like, nah, we're never going to fight.

533
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:30.360
And then they have a secret where he's like, I really want you to officiate. christening, you know, can you do that for me?

534
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:32.039
And she goes, no, I'm not going to stop.

535
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:35.099
I believe in the profits just because we got married.

536
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:44.219
I like that she knows her own mind and she's a strong character, but she's not like a federation character or a military officer or anything like that.

537
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:50.940
Well, of course, you know, Penny Johnson goes on to be on the Orville and is one of the best things about it.

538
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.719
Like she's a really, really excellent actor, I think.

539
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:59.880
I think we were, they wrote out Penny Johnson in series 4 because she had other work to do.

540
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:00.840
She was always in work.

541
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.880
But she came to them.

542
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:05.400
Yeah, she because she was working for the marquee.

543
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:08.760
But she came back to them and she goes, look, when you're going to write me back in, I love doing this.

544
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:12.719
You give me a sexy lead, Avery Brooks, so I can touch his head all the time.

545
00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:14.159
You know, like, give me more...

546
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.420
That's why she's always touching him, you know, because she loves it.

547
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.340
Yeah, well, you would.

548
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.239
Look at him.

549
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.579
Nathan, why do you need to consult so many of these dark texts?

550
00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:29.340
magic books.

551
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.559
My magic religious books.

552
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:34.860
Every interview she ever came about playing Kai Wynn.

553
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.559
She went, oh, my marvellous hat, my tea caddy.

554
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:38.340
That was on my head.

555
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.239
He goes, I'll say the lives as long as I'm wearing the hat.

556
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.900
It's so good.

557
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.099
It's great, isn't it?

558
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.639
Because she doesn't wear a space outfit, even though she's in a science fiction show.

559
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:54.840
Like she wears a sort of kind of religious leader outfit, I guess.

560
00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:59.219
At least she doesn't wear that weird Sydney Opera house thing that Kyo Parker wore.

561
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.440
It was very strange.

562
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:04.440
She, the thing about when and do kind of things like that.

563
00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:09.239
Even people I know that don't like DS9, they love those characters, though.

564
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:11.760
Those characters almost transcend the show.

565
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.599
I love this.

566
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:22.800
I love that he brings her flowers and that he fixes it where he fixes it.

567
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:29.699
And then she says that, you know, good for you for being man enough to kind of apologise and recognise you were wrong.

568
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.239
It's good.

569
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:39.659
But yes, I think that's properly funny where he goes to the door and says, oh, that'll be Quark with the necklace in case the flowers didn't work.

570
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.039
I thought that was very cute.

571
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:47.760
Wait, this is as entrenched in the Dominion War as, say, like the siege of AR 558 was.

572
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:52.739
Is this more palatable to you because of the soap elements?

573
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:53.280
Because, yeah.

574
00:38:54.059 --> 00:38:54.840
Because it's fun.

575
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:57.059
Because it still isn't very Star Trek, is it?

576
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.380
None of that.

577
00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.280
No.

578
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.719
There's no space problem.

579
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:14.219
There's no technobabble. not Well, the thing that Star Trek doesn't, well, it sort of does, but modern Star Trek isn't quite so much about there's evil enemy aliens out to defeat us.

580
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.179
Do you know what I mean?

581
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.440
Like it's about building coalitions and stuff, a federation, you know.

582
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.119
Um, I don't know.

583
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:28.920
So decision they made in series 6, to have as many scenes behind the enemy lines as you do with our heroes.

584
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.260
I'm such a savvy move.

585
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:31.679
So good.

586
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:32.340
Yeah.

587
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:32.880
Yeah.

588
00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:35.699
So, so what I don't get.

589
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:42.780
So we've just discovered that we might lose the Chintaka system, which we saw them take in...

590
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:43.559
Yep.

591
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:46.380
Without those fatest weapons platforms.

592
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.280
Yes, that came alive at the right moment and defeated the Federation fleet.

593
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.900
Oh, no.

594
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.760
They defeated them, didn't they?

595
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.340
that's right Yeah, but they were taken back in the beginning of the next.

596
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.500
Yeah, they take it back to the beginning of the season.

597
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.460
That's the thing they do to honour Jadzia's memory. that right?

598
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.820
No, that's when they destroyed the shipyard. that's how much this shows in blocks.

599
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.320
There's all these battles and things going on.

600
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:15.659
So this line, trouble in paradise, talking about the boys' relationship, the relationship between miles and trouble in paradise.

601
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.480
What's this They've started making the perfect love affairs.

602
00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:25.440
Do you not remember in Chimaera where Quark said to Odo, this is no time for a changeling pride demonstration on the promenade.

603
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:26.940
We're at war to people, okay?

604
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.480
Wow, it's as close as they ever get.

605
00:40:30.539 --> 00:40:34.980
Now we get to actually have it happen. a mild flirtation rather than yeah.

606
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.139
Certainly the more we get later.

607
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:49.139
So again, this is banter, which would be just toe curlingly embarrassing on board Voyager, but it's actually quite good here because I think it's better written for a start.

608
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:57.780
And it proceeds from the characters who are more defined, you know, and better active.

609
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:10.619
But also, I like, I like how they're going from getting the shit, the shit ready for war. to having a conversation about Bashir and O'Brien, and they keep coming back and forth.

610
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:18.780
So everyone's doing something to do with the plot or to do with the ship and they're all given an opinion about this, you know, totally irrelevant.

611
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:19.619
Which is also a plot.

612
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.460
No, it's not.

613
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:24.960
We had a, we had a scene about it earlier on in Quarks. you know, it's one of the some plots.

614
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:26.820
I guess the best odds.

615
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.199
I love that one about the toys.

616
00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:29.880
Like, she's the most fun of all.

617
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.400
I mean, now she's loosened up in 7 years.

618
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:33.780
Yeah.

619
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.199
So I want to ask you something because I can't remember.

620
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:46.739
How long does the Defiance stay exploded for next week?

621
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.079
No, it's 3 episodes time.

622
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:50.400
Right okay.

623
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:51.539
Just 3 episodes.

624
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.420
And it forces, because we haven't got the define anymore.

625
00:41:54.480 --> 00:42:01.320
It forces us onto the Kira Cardassian resistance plot, which is actually really, really interesting.

626
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:09.840
But yeah, it's such a shame, you know, that they felt the, I get they wanted, well they wanted to reuse footage from previous battles in the finale.

627
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:11.280
That's probably why they brought it back.

628
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.320
And it's kind of cute when they do.

629
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:22.500
Well, punch a soul bar. takes the books back. good for him I do like this lighting in this scene, this sort of golden lighting.

630
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.599
I think Beijo is probably a very beautiful planet.

631
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.340
It's very yellow.

632
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:27.539
Yeah.

633
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:31.440
Somebody to look out the window and go, oh, isn't it gorgeous?

634
00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:32.639
We're never going to see it, you know.

635
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.099
There he is.

636
00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.900
Exercising his fist.

637
00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:38.039
Now he comes in.

638
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:39.480
Watch him asleep.

639
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.599
Watch him as he approaches her now and goes...

640
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.219
Like a snake.

641
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:50.579
Yeah, there's just one weird moment there. weird moment where he bares his teeth for a second.

642
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.500
It's very odd.

643
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.400
It's a great choice.

644
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.000
And that sort of subtle purring, you know?

645
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:58.980
There's work to be done, my love.

646
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.360
Oh, please don't have sex apparently.

647
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:03.960
I can't watch it.

648
00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:05.340
No, well I did it.

649
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.460
They did it before the episode began fortunately.

650
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.079
Until Death Deal's part.

651
00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:12.659
She's in her 90 and he just grabs hold of her in the room.

652
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.519
And thank God, we cut to an ad break.

653
00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:18.840
I've never been more grateful for a fade out.

654
00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:21.239
Yeah.

655
00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:23.219
Yeah, we don't need to see any of that.

656
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:28.619
It's the same way that we're spared Miles and Keiko having sex as well, I think.

657
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:30.599
So very tasteful.

658
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:35.579
Renee Echivaria says on the memory alpha.

659
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.000
This episode was a deliberate culmination of the 1st 4 episodes.

660
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:47.280
They wanted to leave, you know, and then start sort of the next chapter off the final chapter when it rains.

661
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:58.679
So what we have now is 3 sort of definitive conclusions to the Kaiwin, Dukat, the Chintaka system, and Damar, and his revolution.

662
00:43:58.739 --> 00:44:04.260
But then with lots of opportunities to go on and explore, you know, the developments here as well.

663
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:31.320
So the thing is that this, which is a scene where we're watching Demar and Resot talking about what their plans are, we never see the thing, obviously, because they can't afford to do it, but We do actually, though, get to see a proper space battle action sequence, which is pretty good.

664
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.000
Yeah, really good.

665
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:36.900
I think the final shot of the defiant coming into view and then being torn apart.

666
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:38.280
Torn to peace pieces.

667
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:39.179
It's really good.

668
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.840
There's something I don't feel it myself, but there is something.

669
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:46.380
Star Trek fans that pour over technical manuals or things like that.

670
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:54.780
They have an affinity with these starships and it is something akin to loss of a character when you lose, you know, a famous starship.

671
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.159
I think it's probably how people felt in search for Spock, you know, when they...

672
00:44:59.280 --> 00:44:59.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:01.139
Oh no, that was a huge deal.

674
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.099
Don't you think?

675
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.320
Because they'd never brought the Enterprise back before.

676
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:11.639
Like, you know, we we used to being up to the Enterprise G or H or whatever by now, but...

677
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:20.400
Well, they're doing in this episode for one. saying, don't get comfortable, folks, because the breed have attacked Earth and we've lost the stars before we go, you know, our warship.

678
00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:22.860
Yeah. which will be back in 3 weeks.

679
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.559
And sort of the suggestion right up until the finale is actually the Dominion could win this.

680
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:29.699
Yeah.

681
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:38.159
Well, we know that they won't, though, but they have to take it as close. you know, about there being the next iteration of Star Trek called Star Trek Dominion.

682
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:39.960
Set on Dominion Occupied Earth.

683
00:45:40.019 --> 00:45:42.300
That would be good. do that.

684
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.639
No, they probably could pull it off either.

685
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:55.920
What sort of impressed me and frightened me a little bit about this sequence was just how adept. they were at war at this point, you know?

686
00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:57.480
Cisco, so casual about it.

687
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:09.300
Look how great when those ships, like the Gemitar ships get, again, they get torn apart as well and you see sort of struts and stuff like that.

688
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.519
You you see the inside of them.

689
00:46:11.579 --> 00:46:12.780
They're really detailed.

690
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:13.980
It's properly good.

691
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:14.579
Yeah, defined.

692
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:15.960
Let's say it's torpedoes like that.

693
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:18.659
It gets me a little bit hot, you know.

694
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.280
But this is great as well, aren't they?

696
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:29.699
What you have is every single character starts explaining how every element of the ship is shutting down.

697
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.920
Stop working very quickly, you know?

698
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:35.219
And in the same time you got, obviously, consoles exploding.

699
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:36.960
The bastards console exploded.

700
00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:39.480
He fell over very slowly to the ground.

701
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.519
In true melodramatic fashion.

702
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:45.239
Kira explodes in slow motion as she falls to the floor.

703
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:51.420
But, like, why does Julian have a have a station on the previous cheese?

704
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.059
Just in case lines to deliver.

705
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.920
I love that too, where the torpedo just grazes the top of the defiant.

706
00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:02.099
Like you actually get to see the sort of damage it does.

707
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:02.760
It's really good.

708
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:04.320
That's a great battle.

709
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:07.139
These sets, they blow the shit out of these sets, don't they?

710
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:10.980
They're slightly different.

711
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.599
They're slightly different.

712
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:14.519
They change the carpet because they mention it.

713
00:47:14.579 --> 00:47:16.500
Yes, that's right.

714
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.579
The carpet.

715
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:25.079
And I did, I did like the bit as, well, he says, abandoned ship and everyone looks at him like, for real?

716
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:26.880
Yeah, there he is.

717
00:47:26.940 --> 00:47:29.820
He's doing it now Yep, that's him doing it now.

718
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:36.119
What I really liked was when he just turned around to look at the bridge last time before he went on, as if he was saying goodbye to an old friend, you know?

719
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:37.260
Yeah.

720
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.079
I mean, that's a sort of standard Star Trek thing, isn't it?

721
00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:40.980
At this point.

722
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:55.320
And in a way, this, like, the defiant is cheating a little bit, I always thought, it's kind of like, well, you know, yes, it's set on a station, but we kind of also want, you know, the runabouts are shit.

723
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.780
And it's so cool, Nathan.

724
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.159
Yeah, it's cool.

725
00:47:59.219 --> 00:47:59.940
Yeah, yeah.

726
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:00.719
It is pretty good.

727
00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:02.219
Yeah, did you see the state of it there?

728
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.599
Oh, this shot now.

729
00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:05.699
So the escape pods come out.

730
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:10.079
We follow the escape pod to the battle where there's a ton of ships.

731
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:17.880
Like that warbird all blown up and there's the defiant drifts into Sean before getting hit and just exploding.

732
00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:18.840
That's it.

733
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:21.539
Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

734
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.340
Trust way Captain Cisco.

735
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.400
I believe he was quite fond of that ship.

736
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.079
It's so good.

737
00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:33.960
The only pair I was like, really, was when she goes, you know, no, let the escape pots go.

738
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:36.059
They're full of frightened demoralised troops.

739
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.760
I reckon she's sold it.

740
00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:41.880
It's such bullshit and they didn't need to say anything.

741
00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:50.699
And I actually think that that works as a character beat because like her, she wants the Federation demoralised.

742
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:57.659
I didn't, you know, it's obviously we're not going to blow up the things, but we didn't have to mention it.

743
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.579
We could have just glossed over it and just assumed that once you're in the escape pods you escape.

744
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:11.760
Come the finale, she has become the best villain of the show and she gets lines like, I want the Kardassians exterminated.

745
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:14.280
All of them, the entire population.

746
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:16.920
You know, she's a mad destiny.

747
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.380
She's she's holding on too long.

748
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.719
Like it's been, is that her thing?

749
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:22.559
Why is she all?

750
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:24.599
why is her face all peeling off?

751
00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:26.340
So that's a big plot in the final.

752
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:26.940
No, no, no.

753
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.840
That's section 31.

754
00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:30.480
When Odo...

755
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.260
Yeah.

756
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:40.619
When Odo went to the Earth in season four, they infected him, section 31, So this all sort of reconed.

757
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:46.920
And then he linked with her at the end of season 4 when they took his hours away.

758
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:51.719
It's been a slow burn since then and it started coming out.

759
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:57.900
And Amanda Plummer comes back to take revenge on like for that.

760
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:09.539
And there's a wonderful sequence in the 2nd to last episode where Odo says, you know, it's funny how the Federation will condemn the Dominion for doing all these terrible things and what they've done.

761
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.039
They've tried to commit genocide.

762
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:12.000
Yeah.

763
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:13.739
It's, you know.

764
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.239
It's really interesting stuff happening.

765
00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:16.619
Yeah.

766
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:17.280
Yeah.

767
00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:22.559
And it's like you said, they're looking at the old plots and going, well, you know, how can we add layers to this?

768
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:24.179
You know, we had him go to earth.

769
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:25.079
Let's do something with that.

770
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

771
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.139
It's just so clever.

772
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:36.420
And it's exactly what Ron Moore does in Battlestar Galactica as well, because we got to hear that creative process as...

773
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.760
This might be my favourite scene in the whole episode.

774
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:42.300
He lied to you. used you.

775
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:43.920
It can't be.

776
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.820
It's so cheesy.

777
00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:49.619
Look at him.

778
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.699
Look at him.

779
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.219
Kywin, it's Ducant.

780
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.480
Haven't you been watching the show?

781
00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:59.760
He doesn't understand the love of the par rapes.

782
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:05.039
So I really, I like this too.

783
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:17.099
So he's pretending to be someone that actually Ducart had killed, like he was a Bajoran prisoner, and Ducart was responsible for his death, and then he comes back.

784
00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:18.659
Do you know how he was?

785
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.400
Yeah, by telling that story.

786
00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:22.320
Yeah, the...

787
00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:30.059
No, there was a 100 people that she saved from being executed by sleeping with a Cardassian and he's pretending to be that person.

788
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:31.559
Right, right.

789
00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:34.320
And I love that.

790
00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:37.079
He dies right in front of the camera, doesn't he?

791
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:38.519
really good, isn't it?

792
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:44.820
And I love that too.

793
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:48.719
This could just be, like, this is the bit where she's on the knife edge.

794
00:51:48.780 --> 00:51:50.099
She still feels guilt.

795
00:51:50.219 --> 00:51:59.460
She still thinks that she's been manipulated into doing something really bad and this is the end for her and he manages to bring it round.

796
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.420
It's really good.

797
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.400
Oh, it's the book, isn't it?

798
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:07.320
Yeah, the blood going on the boat. so cheesy.

799
00:52:07.380 --> 00:52:08.940
It's absurd, isn't it?

800
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.260
It's wonderful.

801
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.820
The magic book.

802
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.239
It's like reveals the power they're offering you.

803
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.119
And do you remember where this goes?

804
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:21.659
Where, you know, she's the only one that's allowed to read that book.

805
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.280
She's the only one that's got access to it.

806
00:52:23.340 --> 00:52:27.900
Dukat tries to read it in the next episode and the bolt comes out of the book and blinds him.

807
00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:31.380
And then she sends him out on the streets as a blind beggar.

808
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:34.619
I'm sure the Bajorans will elicit sympathy.

809
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:35.280
Be kind.

810
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:36.000
Yeah, yeah.

811
00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:38.820
You know, it's not subtle, but it is fun.

812
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.780
She's really selling it too.

813
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.699
Is she great?

814
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:46.679
She's so, look, both of them.

815
00:52:46.739 --> 00:52:48.599
They're absolutely killing it.

816
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:49.380
It's so fun.

817
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.659
It's when she goes, what about soulborn?

818
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.400
He's like, I'll take care of the body.

819
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:56.460
And then she's just so gently not.

820
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:57.179
She nods.

821
00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:58.679
It's terrific, isn't it?

822
00:52:58.739 --> 00:52:59.820
That's really good.

823
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:06.059
And then her 1st scene in the next episode is her going, it's so unlike Sobor to go missing like this.

824
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.260
Please.

825
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.380
All the resources into finding him.

826
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.800
She's such a bitch.

827
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:17.400
Now, he's Barry Jesus Christ, he's terrible.

828
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:18.539
You know what?

829
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.519
They get a joke out of him in the next one.

830
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:26.460
They're doing the Klingon ceremony and Cisco goes, you know, oh, they're all cutting their hands.

831
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.800
And Barry Jenner goes, oh, you're joking.

832
00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:30.960
And then they go...

833
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.760
I love this.

834
00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:37.320
And it's because he's not Ducart.

835
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:38.940
There's something a little bit awkward about the speech.

836
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:40.440
Yeah, yeah.

837
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:41.519
But he's good.

838
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:42.960
He's got a great voice as well.

839
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:47.159
I think, so this is where we end, isn't it?

840
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:49.920
We end on this speech and the reaction to this speech.

841
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:52.679
We begin with the destruction of Earth.

842
00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:53.579
She's so beautiful.

843
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:54.960
Look at her. gorgeous.

844
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:57.179
That's all she's thinking of.

845
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:58.079
You want to know what she's thinking of?

846
00:53:58.139 --> 00:54:00.300
Actually, you find out what she's thinking in the next couple weeks.

847
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.460
This is going to be one hell of a gorgeous close-up is what she's thinking.

848
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.840
Sounds Renee, though, as the camera lingers on his body.

849
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:11.039
Yep.

850
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:33.420
Yeah, so this is where it ends because, of course, the big thing is in DeepSace 9, despite all of the character stuff, which was great, just as important is the shifting kind of status quo of the Alpha Quadrant, which is the Sandbox, the Deep Space 9 uniquely gets to play in.

851
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:34.139
It's so good.

852
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:36.239
Big thing in the 1st couple of episodes.

853
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:43.440
Sorry, 1st couple of seasons was that the Bajorans were occupied. they're now not and we're dealing with that.

854
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.239
And now we've come full circle.

855
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:53.579
And we've watched the Kardashians go from, you know, meteoric success in the quadrant and now down really low again and now they're fighting for their free days.

856
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:54.300
Great stuff.

857
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.639
And and demand nails to the very end of that speech.

858
00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:03.719
And Casey, like Casey Biggs is almost tearing up.

859
00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:06.840
It's such, you know, just proper oratory.

860
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:08.039
He really sells it.

861
00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:11.639
It's a great thing to...

862
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:12.300
Soon.

863
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.159
That's all he's thinking of.

864
00:55:14.579 --> 00:55:17.159
I could be the last Weyune.

865
00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:18.840
That's why you picked that target.

866
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:21.719
Does he not like me or something?

867
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:25.619
I said to you.

868
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:31.260
It's like they've had it off together once and to Mars now determined to bring him down because Wayne's cast him aside.

869
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.659
I thought we were friends.

870
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:45.179
And this very subtle shot of way you're looking at the Kardashian over his shoulder. makes me die. better watch my back.

871
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.219
It's great, isn't it?

872
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:57.780
I know, I love how we end as well with one of those very dramatics, and you know, Legga Demar could be the key to saving the alpha quadrants.

873
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.320
Okay.

874
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:04.559
And this is where we lead into the next thing.

875
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:10.019
So we've had a 2 tremendous losses and then we get hope at the end.

876
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:19.800
So I think it works as an individual episode because it has a shape and it brings important plots forward.

877
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:27.780
But I guess the episodes on either side of it are roughly similar feeling as well because we are just... don't quite have the sort of triple whammy here at the end.

878
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.300
You know, they are more sort of, they just sort of stop.

879
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.820
It's the story continuing and they just sort of stop.

880
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:34.920
This feels like a conclusion.

881
00:56:35.099 --> 00:56:38.940
And then we pick up a whole bunch of new plots in the next one.

882
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.840
Kira going off, the section 31 plot, all of that, you know.

883
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:47.880
There's even time, you know, to turn Roman to the new Grand Nagus in those last few episodes.

884
00:56:47.940 --> 00:56:49.619
Yes, of course, that had to be done.

885
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.280
And knock into a lieutenant as well.

886
00:56:53.340 --> 00:57:00.420
There's one person we didn't mention throughout the entire episode, and I would like to, because it's his last contribution to D-space 9.

887
00:57:00.420 --> 00:57:02.159
And that's Jay Chataway.

888
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:05.760
And I thought he did really great music, especially during the battle.

889
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:12.000
You know, he puts a bit of bombast into 90s trek where there really is none whatsoever.

890
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:20.699
I just remember when he started appearing on Star Trek the Next Generation and just how beautiful some of his scores were.

891
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:31.500
He's really properly good and we make a lot of fun of Star Trek music and it is a bit crappy in the 90s. should we say some?

892
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.500
Well, yeah, you know, here's the ad break.

893
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:42.900
But Jay Chataway is, I think, maybe the best one, the best composer they had.

894
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:44.579
So does he continue?

895
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.440
Will he be in Voyager and...

896
00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:49.320
I think he, I think he does, Voyager.

897
00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:49.679
Yeah.

898
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:51.659
But this was just his last DS 9.

899
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:57.900
And what's wonderful is his music for the Chintaka Battle sequence on this is on the Star Trek D Space 9 album.

900
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.820
And I know you're going to be rushing out to buy that.

901
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.139
I've got it, of course.

902
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.000
At the end of the track.

903
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:05.400
It's the recording, the live recording.

904
00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:10.739
He turns around to the orchestra and says, thank you very much. amazing work.

905
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.780
I've had so much fun working on this show.

906
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:13.440
Yeah.

907
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:14.460
Wow.

908
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:15.539
That's awesome.

909
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.559
It's a nice touch.

910
00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:20.760
I mean I can't really find much to complain in that at all.

911
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:22.500
You know, it's good characters.

912
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.119
There's interesting things going on.

913
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:25.199
It's funny.

914
00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.280
It's absurd.

915
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.440
It's everything we love.

916
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:30.480
It's absolutely perfect.

917
00:58:30.539 --> 00:58:31.679
I think it is really great.

918
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:46.559
It's very un Star Trek like, but this is a different thing that we discover Star Trek can be, like giant, weird political space battle things intermixed with, you know, who is going to be Asry's next boyfriend and stuff.

919
00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:54.119
I think all of that stuff is exactly what I want from a show like this and I think it was a pretty great episode.

920
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.059
What I think those 10 episodes do.

921
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.300
It's basically DS9 in a microcosm.

922
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:03.420
I said to you, I think the show gets better and better as it goes along.

923
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:09.059
Those episodes keep building, you know, and you get a big hitter here with change of face of evil.

924
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.059
You get an even bigger hitter with tacking into the wind.

925
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.219
I think that's probably the best of the last 10.

926
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:23.099
But then I do think the finale, perhaps Milus the par rave stuff, is a stonkingly good conclusion.

927
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:29.519
It's almost got an impossible task to try and wrap up all of these plot threads, all of these characters.

928
00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:33.000
And for the most part, it does succeed at doing that.

929
00:59:42.059 --> 01:00:06.239
So, we've reached the end of the episode, and now it's time for us to decide what we're going to watch next week, and it's my go on the randomiser, and I've done a little bit of statistical work during the day, and I've got the website bill process to calculate the percentage of episodes that we have done.

930
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:07.139
It is.

931
01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:09.719
Just divining a few numbers together.

932
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:10.380
It's all fine.

933
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:21.480
But it turns out that the most underserved series is the animated series where we've done one out of 22 episodes.

934
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:22.980
The reason for that.

935
01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:25.500
Yeah, there is a reason for that.

936
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:36.719
And then the one that we've done the most of is Strange New Worlds, because we've done 3 episodes of series one of that, which is a series of 10, and we're currently halfway through series 2.

937
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.420
I was going to do Strange New Wells next week, you know.

938
01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:41.760
I don't care what you say, the percentages.

939
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:42.659
I'm still going to do it.

940
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.780
But actually, now I've seen the numbers. think I'll rethink it.

941
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.300
Well, run out of Strangely Worlds.

942
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:49.679
That'd be the sad thing.

943
01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:52.260
It's been really fun too.

944
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:58.440
So I'm on the randomiser and I've just got the animated series selected.

945
01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:03.780
Now, the problem is that neither of us knows anything about this.

946
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.719
The good thing is they're only about 20 minutes long.

947
01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

948
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.619
But we have to do it.

949
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.739
We have to do it sometime and we've clearly been avoiding it.

950
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:18.719
The last time we did it, well, the only time we did it, and it was considered a really good one.

951
01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:21.599
That was trap. appalling.

952
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.659
That lady had no nose.

953
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:25.980
Oh yeah.

954
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:28.320
Weird.

955
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:34.139
That weird group of aliens around that table. terrible in the game Klingons.

956
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.619
You remember Spock running through the ship trying to find the ejection hatch?

957
01:01:37.739 --> 01:01:38.760
to put the bomb in.

958
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:43.980
That's right injection hatch. the ejection hatch.

959
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:44.820
All right.

960
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.199
So more of this stuff.

961
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:47.579
I'm going to press the button.

962
01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:54.420
And your random Star Trek, the animated series episode is Albatross.

963
01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:56.340
Series two, episode four.

964
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:58.139
I have literally no idea what that is.

965
01:01:58.260 --> 01:01:59.940
How do we decide?

966
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.219
I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.

967
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:10.800
I'm going to go on to Jammer's reviews and select the animated series just so we've got a little summary of what the episode is about.

968
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:12.179
So what was that called again?

969
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.099
Albatross.

970
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.380
And oh, that's right near the end.

971
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:17.039
Yep.

972
01:02:17.099 --> 01:02:25.260
McCoy is arrested by an alien government and accused of causing a deadly plague during a visit nearly 2 decades earlier.

973
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.800
Does he stab anyone?

974
01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:32.099
I mean, jam has given it 2.5 stars out of four.

975
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.320
I don't have any...

976
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:36.900
It's worth it.

977
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:37.800
It could be anything.

978
01:02:37.860 --> 01:02:39.599
Well, I'm gonna give it another go.

979
01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah, why not?

980
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:40.980
Yeah.

981
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:43.320
Oh, okay.

982
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:48.659
I've heard of this one Series one, episode 15 The Eye of the Beholder.

983
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:56.340
The Enterprise investigates the mysterious disappearance of a science team on a mysterious world.

984
01:02:57.539 --> 01:03:01.739
Is the word mysterious used twice in that summary?

985
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.659
No, I just used it once.

986
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:04.679
Oh, okay.

987
01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:06.360
It's just once.

988
01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:09.420
Okay. a bit disappointing.

989
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.000
Two stars by Gemma.

990
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:14.099
Again, it could be anything.

991
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.460
Spock and the script go to great lengths to explain how advanced and superintelligent these aliens are.

993
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:21.659
Pressing once more.

994
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:22.019
Come on.

995
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:25.559
That sounds like any random Star Trek episode that, doesn't it?

996
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:28.260
Okay, this is the one we're definitely doing.

997
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.659
So this is Bem.

998
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:33.840
And it's series 2, episode two.

999
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:40.199
And you remember that we had that episode of Lower Decks.

1000
01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:45.960
I excretus, where the alien came on. that could disembody himself.

1001
01:03:46.019 --> 01:03:47.280
There was a lady.

1002
01:03:47.340 --> 01:03:51.360
No, it was a lady and she had a detachable head and detachable other beards.

1003
01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:59.400
And she was brought back, obviously, by the lower decks people who like to make fun of our ridiculous Star Trek ears.

1004
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.039
And I have actually seen this one.

1005
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.039
No, it's terrible.

1006
01:04:05.579 --> 01:04:07.559
They're all terrible.

1007
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:17.280
But I've watched this one as research when we did an eye excretus, so I have actually seen this.

1008
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.079
Can I read you the summary of this one, right?

1009
01:04:19.139 --> 01:04:21.599
This literally could be any Star Trek episode.

1010
01:04:21.659 --> 01:04:22.800
Any Star Trek episode?

1011
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:31.920
The Enterprise takes on an independent observer from an alien world who insists on accompanying the landing party on a research mission of a primitive alien civilisation.

1012
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.079
Yep.

1013
01:04:34.139 --> 01:04:36.960
We've seen that in every iteration of Star Trek.

1014
01:04:37.019 --> 01:04:40.260
So now we're going to see a really bad iteration of it.

1015
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:42.480
So it's bam.

1016
01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:47.880
I want to know if William Shatner's still literally phoning in his performance as Captain Kirk.

1017
01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:50.219
I'm sure he is, from the green room of something else completely.

1018
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:58.019
And those fantastic sort of off kilter angle close-ups that they do, just so they don't have to animate anything else on the screen.

1019
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:59.159
Yeah.

1020
01:04:59.159 --> 01:04:59.760
Yeah.

1021
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:01.019
All right.

1022
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:02.579
I think we're ready to go. do you think?

1023
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.380
Oh, it's going to be a giggle.

1024
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:16.199
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1025
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:22.679
We're online at untitled Star Trekproject.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1026
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:28.139
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Sizeran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1027
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:33.960
This episode was recorded on the 11th of July 2023 and released on the 14th of July.

1028
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:59.579
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series M. We just laughed all the way through.

1029
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:00.659
It's so much fun.

1030
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:01.559
It's so good.

1031
01:06:01.619 --> 01:06:02.460
It's so good.

1032
01:06:02.579 --> 01:06:06.360
He listens to our DS9 episodes, you know, he absolutely loves them.

1033
01:06:06.420 --> 01:06:07.139
You see?

1034
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:08.699
The only Star Trek you really like.

1035
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:09.900
You don't really like much of the rest.

1036
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.679
But I think that, I mean, that was perfect.

1037
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.599
I mean, you know, like, again, it's not a thing that other Star Trek can do.

1038
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:22.260
It's not anything that anyone attempts, but geez, it's fun.

1039
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:23.519
And it is that sort of thing.

1040
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.900
We have enough characters to do a proper full scale daytime soap opera.

1041
01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:33.659
And that's how we can present like in that kind of mode in that genre.

1042
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:40.199
We're going to massively change the status quo, because we've got this big thing that's happening that we have to bring to an end.

1043
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:51.300
And either what we do is what's impossible, you know, we do a Damar episode, we do a, a Kai-win episode, we do, you know, a Gower on episode and so on.

1044
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:52.440
They can't do that.

1045
01:06:52.500 --> 01:07:01.079
Um, because deep space 9 episodes happen one after the other, you know, like they couldn't do different events from different points of view.

1046
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:06.539
And you have to have everyone being given a go, like all of the main characters.

1047
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.820
So I just think it has to be done. them all together.

1048
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.239
It means structurally. so much more interesting to talk about.

1049
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:19.739
Yeah, because it's, yeah, yeah, because it's like, but it's exactly what like last night's home and away, dude, as well.

1050
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:28.559
Like, that I was sat on the couch watching with Calvin, you know, that now we're going to do the band plot and now we're going to do the kid plot and, you know, like all of that.

1051
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:31.320
It's a soap bonus.

1052
01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:32.039
It's a soap.

1053
01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:33.599
Yeah, soaps are great though.

1054
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:34.619
Good soap.

1055
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.000
With really good actors.

1056
01:07:36.059 --> 01:07:37.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:38.820
But that's the thing.

1058
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.559
And it is Louise Lecher in a daytime soap popper up where she gets to stab someone.

1059
01:07:43.619 --> 01:07:47.760
As you keep saying to me, Oscar winner, Louise Fletcher.

1060
01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:49.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah. holy shit.

1061
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:55.500
Well, she, like, that thing about her being untouchable that I said, like, that's what Nurse Ratchet is like.

1062
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:56.219
Do you know what I mean?

1063
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.039
Like Nurse Ratchet, like you hate her.

1064
01:07:59.099 --> 01:08:00.659
She's horrible.

1065
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.940
She's really super evil and she's absolutely... can touch her.

1066
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:22.920
And so this is the perfect character for the religious leader because she still, you know, does the sort of superficial looking, caring and, you know, mild and, you know, she doesn't get angry and public and any of those sorts of things.

1067
01:08:22.979 --> 01:08:31.739
You know, everything's very bland and she's very pious and stuff, but she's like super, super evil and you hate her and nothing bad ever happens to her.

1068
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:35.100
And, uh, so I'm moaning to you recently.

1069
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:37.439
I was like, we've not done anything with Kai winning it yet.

1070
01:08:37.500 --> 01:08:40.079
She's so great whenever she appears.

1071
01:08:40.140 --> 01:08:46.979
See, I just assumed that we had because we did that in the cards episode that, um, and it is, it's the four, you know.

1072
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.159
It's Win, Dukart, Wei Yun, Garak.

1073
01:08:50.220 --> 01:08:51.960
I'm just guaranteed a good time.

1074
01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:53.939
Yeah, the episode is.

1075
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:55.979
Yeah, they're all good, aren't they, Garrick, in that one?

1076
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.979
Yeah, no, no, he gets loads coming up, though.

1077
01:08:59.039 --> 01:08:59.399
Okay.

1078
01:08:59.460 --> 01:08:59.880
Cool.

1079
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:00.779
All right.

1080
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.819
Okay, so I've got to...

1081
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.079
I've got to go somewhere, have I?

1082
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:06.119
No, go.

1083
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.680
I've just sent you something in the Facebook chat.

1084
01:09:13.739 --> 01:09:18.899
Oh, wow, is this the percentage of episodes that we've done of the respective shows?

1085
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:20.699
Yeah, it's the most sense.

1086
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:22.199
Strange new worlds.

1087
01:09:22.260 --> 01:09:23.159
20%.

1088
01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:33.300
That's only if we count this week's episode because this week, the one that screened like screens on Thursday, which is the day before we release this.

1089
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:34.560
That makes it 15.

1090
01:09:34.859 --> 01:09:37.619
So we've done 20%. coming in as the tag, Nathan.

1091
01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:45.840
I would like to let everybody know that you could listen to us for 3 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes, and 6.623 seconds.

1092
01:09:45.899 --> 01:09:48.420
Not counting the episode you're listening to now.

1093
01:09:48.420 --> 01:09:50.460
Even more of us.

1094
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:51.600
Yeah.

1095
01:09:51.659 --> 01:09:53.460
What's the 2nd nice?

1096
01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:54.239
Let's have a look here.

1097
01:09:54.300 --> 01:09:55.439
So the 2nd half...

1098
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:56.640
I thought it would be DS 9.

1099
01:09:56.699 --> 01:09:57.899
It's not. lower decks.

1100
01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:59.220
Is it?

1101
01:09:59.220 --> 01:10:00.119
Yeah.

1102
01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:02.279
No, lower decks is the next one.

1103
01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:03.239
I think.

1104
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:04.380
Where's Zardex coming?

1105
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:06.479
Lodex is 16.67%.

1106
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:10.560
Then it's prodigy, which is only, well, there's only one season of that.

1107
01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:14.819
Yeah, 20 episodes, so 1912 parter.

1108
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:16.560
So we've done 15%.

1109
01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:30.840
But the 2 lowest ones are the animated series at 4.55%, because we've done one out of 22 episodes, and Star Trek, the Next Generation.

1110
01:10:30.899 --> 01:10:36.539
So roughly, we're looking at 10% overall, I think, probably, roughly Star Trek.

1111
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:38.819
I feel like we've talked about loads of TNG.

1112
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:39.899
How unusual?

1113
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:44.880
Yeah, we've only done 12, but we've done 18 Deep Space 9.

1114
01:10:44.939 --> 01:10:45.899
And of the 12.

1115
01:10:45.899 --> 01:10:46.920
This is really good.

1116
01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:48.239
Yeah, that's right.

1117
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:49.500
That's right.

1118
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:52.800
I can't keep having episodes where I'm saying everything is shit.

1119
01:10:52.859 --> 01:10:54.600
Every now and again, I've got to say...

1120
01:10:54.659 --> 01:10:57.300
Yeah, we're going to have like, why are we doing a Star Trek thing?

1121
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:03.000
So in order to solve the Star Trek is a really good problem, we're going to do, I'll tell you.

1122
01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:12.479
So we've reached the end of the episode and now it's time for us to decide what we're going to watch next week.