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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are at the very end of Star Trek, the Next Generation, it's

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the end of series 7, and we are mere weeks away from all good

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things, and we are watching Genesis, 4 episodes from the end, isn't

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it?

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It's pretty close.

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So it's episode 19, and of course, the end is a two-parter.

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So we're very, very close to the end of 7 years.

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And we've spoken about series 7 of Star Trek, the next generation

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show, aren't we?

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So I think that what's happened is that we've decided instead of

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discovering that data has a long lost auntie or something this

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week.

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We are going to just go all out sort of balls to the wall, be

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movie schlock.

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And that is something that Star Trek has in its DNA.

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And I think, you know, one of the, or at least sort of encoded in

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some of its introns probably.

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But if you watch sort of a random episode of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, you aren't probably going to get sophisticated science

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fiction or even tense, interesting science fiction like the Corba

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might maneuver or spectra of the gun or stuff that we've done.

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And very frequently, you'll just get sort of B movie stuff.

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And that's our kind of dark secret.

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There's a lot of B movie DNA in Star Trek, and we kind of backport

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all the politics and the utopian socialism and stuff to it.

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And so here, it's proper B movie, Star Trek, and it's not very

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popular, I think.

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Not with me anyway, given the 200 messages I'll send you whilst I

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was watching this episode.

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I personally think that the next generation has given up at this

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point at attempting to give us anything.

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There's even reasonable television at this point.

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I mean, I said to you.

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I said, they're stupid and then there's this.

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And the trouble is, is I know, I know you say that they're trying

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to be stupid, right?

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But I can't tell the difference between the next generation trying

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to be stupid and just really fucking stupid.

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So what I think is what I think is happening here is Star Trek the

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Next Generation and original Star Trek are the only shows that can

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do this because they're super light on premise.

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They're just Star Trek.

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And so the backdrop to Star Trek for the next generation is the

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24th century, and all the characters are just their jobs.

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And so turning them all into monsters for a week, while it's

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stupid, doesn't ruin the characters.

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And we can see that because they're still functional 30 years

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later in Picard Series 3.

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How the hell did I not have serious trauma after this episode?

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But that's the point, though, isn't it?

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Because Geordie didn't have massive trauma the week after identity

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crisis.

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And the week after Pulaski got turned into an old lady and then

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got better at the end of the episode, she didn't have trauma after

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that.

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And Picard had a bit of light trauma after becoming a Borg and

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then not being a Borg.

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And Deanna didn't have any trauma also about becoming an old lady

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and then dying and then getting better.

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And we come to a point where we don't believe these characters are

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in any danger whatsoever.

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And I think that's why we had a reaction with the next spinoff.

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That's why we have the reaction that we did.

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Let's set them in a single location and have fucking

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consequences.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that's more interesting than this bollocks, but the same, but

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but, except that in a way, Star Trek actually functions as an

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anthology show, because it's unbelievable that this stuff happens

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to people on a weekly basis or like every fortnight, and it's the

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thing that lower decks makes fun of, isn't it?

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You know, like it's hard work to be on the Titan or the Enterprise

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because every week you're sucked into a parallel universe or

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you're travelling back in time to meet God or something really

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ludicrous is happening.

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And that's what lower decks is making fun of.

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It's making fun of trying to treat what is essentially an

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anthology series, as if it's serious drama about a group of people

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who live in the 24th century.

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This would have made a brilliant lower decks episode.

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What you need is when Barclay pops up is for Maronets to go, oh my

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god, it's a great big spider thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And in fact, you've got Picard and Data walking around like it's a

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serious bit of drama.

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But I don't think they are walking around like it's a serious

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drama at all.

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You can see Patrick Stewart thinking, my career.

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Well, I'll never work again.

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You see, I actually think this plays very differently with normies

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than it does with fans because I think that this is memorable high

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concept schlock and that people find it fun.

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And the people who are put off by it, other people who think that

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these are functional characters, the people who think that this is

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a kind of serious science fiction drama about issues and

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continuity and stuff, whereas what Brannan Braga, is doing is just

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saying, let's do some B movie schlock and everyone will really

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remember it.

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And it's...

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Probably so, is that we've had sub-Rosa in this season.

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We've had masks in this season.

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Yeah, we've had phantasms in this season.

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And we're going to have, you know, emergence with the magical

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brick in the holodeck this season.

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And it's just too much. parallel enough.

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They're not doing enough preemptive strikes or lower decks or

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things like that.

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They are literally just going, all right, well let's just have

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some fun with these characters for a week and get this season out

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of the way and then we can make them. do something else.

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I think that's a fair criticism.

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And because it's either this or it's Data's mother turns up from

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the past.

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You know, they're the 2 things that they've got going for them in

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series 7.

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But like my big issue with this.

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I just don't think I've seen some B movies in my time.

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I just don't think this is a very good B movie.

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It's really quite boring.

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They just wander around the ship, find each monster.

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And then it ends.

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There's no narrative to this at all.

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And I feel the performances of the, well, God, every time you ask

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an ensemble in Star Trek, to start acting out a character, you're

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in trouble.

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And you've got some pretty dodgy, you've got Barclay doing some

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weird twitchy spider thing, but I just couldn't watch.

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And Reich, I forget in his lines or not.

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And Troy, desperate for a glass of water.

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I mean, all these people are acting bizarrely out of character and

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no one's going.

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Do you think something's going on here?

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You know, like...

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We've been doing this for 7 years, you know?

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Yeah, but everyone's too busy turning into a fish themselves.

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Do you know what I mean?

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To notice anyone else turning into a lemur or whatever.

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Real joy I could get out of this was what weird thing are we going

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to see next?

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and it's few and far between.

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You had a couple of good shock moments, the occasional good makeup

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job.

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But other than that, it's just walking around the Dark Enterprise

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the end.

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And that's just not fun to watch.

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Yeah, I like the people compare this to threshold.

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And I think threshold is genuinely a slog and genuinely a bad

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piece of television and it's incompetently done.

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And it's partly...

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But it's worth it, you know, for that animated serious Voyager, a

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thing they did with the lizards.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That was amazing.

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No, but the, I mean, the thing, the thing about it, though, is

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that it centres the worst, Robert.

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It tries to make a point about his relationship with his father

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which is just kind of grotesque, given the context.

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Whereas this is just, we're going to do a big monster film.

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And I think it's well directed by Gates McFadden.

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I think it's actually...

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Yeah, no, I think I think that there's some...

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She gets her shop moments, right?

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There's too much moments where you could literally jump out of

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your seat.

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Yep, I think there's 2 goods very scary.

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I think she does decent atmosphere as well.

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Like they turn the lights down, at least.

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Yeah, well, there you go.

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That's better than 80% of Star Trek.

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Sorry, can I return us to a point I made in a previous episode.

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I believe it was power play.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure Star Trek, the Next Generation, is actually any

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good.

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Or I certainly don't think it is the all conquering classic of

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repute.

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We've done quite a lot of these now, and I know there's some good

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stuff in there.

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I know there is.

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I don't think it's aged particularly well.

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It's just that it was huge at the time.

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And it was the thing that normal people watched.

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I remember going to like gay bars in the 1990s and people were

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watching Star Trek, the next generation on the big screen at the

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bar.

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You know, this was huge in a way that no other Star Trek really

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has been apart from the original.

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And even the stuff that we love, things like Deep Space 9 and

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Voyager, things like Strange New Worlds, don't have a fraction of

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the audience that Star Trek the Next Generation had.

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But it's much...

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No, no.

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And like Star Trek has a dodgy 1st season, a dodgy 2nd season, and

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then it peters out in season.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's free of four, you know?

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Exactly.

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And so on the whole, if you kind of go to the randomiser and pick

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a Star Trek episode, you've got an even chance of getting

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something that's a dud, I think.

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But this was so important and this created the world that the

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other things come from.

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And we're still celebrating this show in 2023 with...

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Which is great, but I do think it is trading on a reputation

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rather than a very good television show.

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And I think if a lot of people go back and watch this, it's that

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glow of nostalgia that engages them, not the fact that this is

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really good television.

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Yeah, but I think we've kind of told ourselves, this is great

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television, but actually, I just, I think at least half of the

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next generation is pretty goddamn dreary.

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I'm not sure that I would call Star Trek great television.

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But I think it's pretty fun and I have very fond memories of it.

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I'm still on board with this one.

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I think there are some funny scenes and funny performances in the

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1st half.

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I think there's some genuine creepiness in the 2nd half and I

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think it has a massive joke at its own expense at the very end in

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the final scene.

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So I think, because there's a type of skin, you're asking the

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audience to swallow a law to say, for one week, we've just de

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evolved the crew, and then between scenes.

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We've reevolved them all again and everyone's having a jolly

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laugh.

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No, in fact, there's a hilarious scene where data is speeding up

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the, like, the cellular substitution or the, like, the ribosome

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substitution or whatever the hell it is.

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And like the things are going even faster and they're changing

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Alyssa back even quicker.

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It's preposterous.

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But the thing is that it was aiming for that.

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And there's always... when they did this better.

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They did this better with raw schools, all right?

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When they...

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Rascals is hilarious and it's fun and it's engaging and it's

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silly.

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Yep.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is not a lot.

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No, I think that Rascals is better than this, but I don't think

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that this is the disaster that everyone says it is.

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And I don't think it was shooting for serious, plausible science

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fiction and just missing an accident.

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No, of course it wasn't.

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One of my mates came at me, you know.

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I'm talking about this.

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I'm afraid and it's proven to be very divisive.

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You know, one person loves it.

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One person hates it.

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One of them said, I think they genuinely thought they were making

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a piece of drama.

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I was like, well, if that is the case, then...

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I mean, you know that they weren't.

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You know that they weren't.

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I mean, you know.

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I mean, you know, I was always sort of on board.

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I know, okay, a second.

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I was almost on board with this. an amiable couple of scenes and

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then everyone's signed tracks a bit weird and then they're dodgy

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acting here.

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But then that bit where Troy comes jumping out of that mouth.

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The frog.

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Paul Marina, so to say, going, I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, the

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laws.

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I mean, I don't think at any point, any of these actors are asked

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to do anything more ridiculous than this.

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Yeah, yeah, sometimes they are.

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Um, I think they're really, I think really the telling thing is

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that I went to Jama, because I knew that he would just give it one

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because of course he would.

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He gave it half star, didn't he?

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No, I think he gave it one.

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I gave it a half star one. reviewed it on my side.

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Well, that's madness.

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But I, um, he actually says lots of good things about the

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beginning of the episode, and it's kind of like he feels like he

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has to give it one star because it's not proper serious Star Trek

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which is very important to him.

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And then the comments thread is full of people going, actually, I

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really quite like this or this is a guilty pleasure or this is

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kind of fun.

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And I think that's what it's going for.

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Please, me no end, you know, when I went on memory alpha, and I

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was like, yeah, this appears on this media critiques top 10 list.

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I need appears on this.

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Star Trek ever.

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No, no, no, no. of best.

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Best episodes.

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The best episodes of the next show. then it appears on this media

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critics list of the what.

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So this is like, you know, this is the divisive one, I think, of

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this season.

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You're either totally on board with this, you or...

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Well, I'm not totally on board with it.

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It's not Dharmok, right?

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It's disposable.

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I mean...

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What is he trying to say?

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No, it's absolutely not trying to say anything.

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Any more than some bro.

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Brush your DNA, all right.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

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You know, it is like some rosa.

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It is just absurd and grotesque and incredibly memorable and

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they'll be...

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No, stop, Rosa.

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Beverly Crusher masturbate into a ghost.

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I know, it's pretty great.

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Oh, it's Brad and Broker as well, wouldn't it?

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You know, it's just a piss this season isn't he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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He did Deanna Troy as the birthday cake.

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Do you remember when Data's trying to cut over the noise?

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Trying to sell you a peptide cake.

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He's like, Ralph, ideas. just gonna have fun.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no that's exactly it.

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And I think there is some fun to be had.

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All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So here we are in a day in the life of Dr. Beverly Crusher.

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So I really like this scene.

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I think it's there's funny stuff.

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We're doing the camera thing.

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Riker's talking about trying to get it on with a new tactical

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officer in the arboretum and then he rolls over and we see the

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spines in his back immediately.

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She starts picking them out.

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A total hyperchondract.

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The camera is roving around.

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It's really good.

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So this is games McFadden.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and it's funny, it's enjoyable.

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And Beverly's performance is really good.

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Yeah, she should be directing herself every week.

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Because it's not just, like, she's she's a little bit

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exasperated.

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She's given some funny stuff about Reg, you know, self-diagnosing

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using WebMD and stuff.

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Oh, look at this.

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This ain't Dr. Boo.

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This is good.

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It's much more like Gates.

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I love Barclay picking up the medical tricorder backwards and

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scanning himself and then handing it to her.

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But you know, every other time we go to Sick Bay, there's never

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anyone in there.

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No, it has to be a very busy day that we're dropping out.

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Actually, no, they could have done a whole episode, couldn't

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they?

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Just like day as day.

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Yeah, yeah, Bev's day.

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Yeah.

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No, I think she's good.

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And I loved, so I think data comes in now with spot.

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Is that happening?

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And the way that she is with Jada.

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But look at her put her arm around data and walk him in.

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It's so warm.

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It's got a lot of chemistry between the legs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, haven't we?

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Yeah.

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Look, this was a good scene.

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This was a good scene.

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I think that's great.

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This ain't nothing to do with the plot, is it?

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Well, no, but this is this is where the thing happens.

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This is where the thing happens.

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My capillaries are shrinking.

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Do you know he's only in 5 episodes of Star Trek the Next

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Generation.

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Yeah.

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I think one about before HR.

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I think he is in as many episodes of Voyager. as Voyager.

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And yeah, he's a legacy character.

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Like, you don't forget him.

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No, he's great.

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And it's Dwight Schultz, you know, like he is a proper TV actor.

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He's a get, you know, and he's funny.

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I think he performs.

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He's very funny.

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Do you remember when he started doing that weird sort of, uh, style

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of acting in Voyager?

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You know, It's very strange.

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I don't know, he just, I think he slips in here because he's

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supposed to be the one dysfunctional member of the crew, isn't

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he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And there's a, like the last joke is at his expense and at the

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show's expense, I think.

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So that's kind of cool.

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So remember he's someone who was a genius and his brain spilled

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out into the holodeck and it was a huge giant thing.

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Yeah, I love that one.

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We had all those beans all week is just okay.

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That's right And yeah, that wonderful one where he was scared of

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transport.

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And you finally got to see the transporter from the POV of the

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person experiencing.

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Yeah, that was very strange.

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Realm of fear, I think.

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Oh, and this, I think, like, look, look, look at Beverly.

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Look at that warmth.

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You know, Alyssa O'Gower is pregnant here.

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Doesn't she lose the baby?

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In, yeah, awfully in, um, all good things.

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Yeah, that's...

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So they travel back in time, that's awful.

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But that's the other thing too, that they're doing here that they

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should have been doing all along and that their idea that, you

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know, this was just a show about these people and these people

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were their jobs.

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So we basically have the 7 main people and no one else ever does

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or says anything.

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In this, we get Barclay and Alyssa, and Alyssa gets some

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development, we mention Andrew, who gets them mention in the

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episode lower day.

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I think we meet him, but he does.

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We get lots of mentions.

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No, no, she's the one who encourages Alyssa to go on the date with

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him as well in another episode.

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Yeah, that's right.

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So that's a kind of running thing and there could have been more

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of that.

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And we get this weird kind of approach towards the Deanna wharf

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relationship.

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Don't get me started on that.

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Like, I think that could have worked, but the fact is, yeah

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because they're opposite to each other and that's kind of fun.

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There's no chemistry there.

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Ain't going to worry about chemistry.

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Well, I think they do a good job of their scene together in this

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but I also think that they would be funny because she would be

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able to kind of mock him a little bit the way that Dax does.

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I think that now you're talking chemistry.

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Yeah, that's right.

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There was so much chemistry and they weren't even going to write

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that romance and they were like, no, look, we've got something.

444
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Yeah, we have to do it.

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Put it in, like you said about reacting to things.

446
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Yeah, yeah.

447
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But they're all doing it because it's series 7 and they don't have

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to worry about any consequences of it and in this...

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Imagine what we could have been in series 7.

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If this was happening in 2 and 3 where they were building up this

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incredible array of secondary characters.

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Yeah, they're just not doing it, you know, Voyagers doesn't

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successfully do it either.

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You remember when Death Night ends and they have to have 10

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episodes just to tick off every character. that's right.

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Can I ask you then, is every other director, you know, who's not

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gays move better than saying to Gates McFadden, look, you'll be a

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bit too naturalistic, all right?

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Can you be more robotic?

460
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Yeah, I don't know what it is.

461
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It's weird, isn't it?

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I think that she relaxes as the show is ending.

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And in fact, I read a great article today in which Frakes and

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Stuart both talked about what it was like watching themselves do

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the early episodes and how awkward and...

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Yeah, yeah. especially Stuart.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, Frakes as well.

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And Frank says that he felt awkward, you know, doing it and they

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you know, they were wearing spandex and stuff.

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I actually like what's happening here too, because what's

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happening isn't in the script, maybe it is.

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But both Picard and and Riker are massively bored by this and

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they're doing it because Worf wants to show it off and they're

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super bored.

476
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Oh, sorry, we're not talking about the episode, are you?

477
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You're talking about it.

478
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No, no.

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I mean, look at look at how Stewart's playing it and it's because

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he's so bored with all of this nonsense that he goes off to chase

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the torpedoes.

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So he doesn't listen to wharf.

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One excuse. for him to let, like, they don't usually ever let the

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captain leave the ship.

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He's just like, no, I'm off, right?

486
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But it's actually quite well played because he just says, I'm the

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captain.

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I'm not needed for this.

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I'm going.

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I'm quite a good pilot myself, he says.

491
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Like, I think that exchange actually sells it enough.

492
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And just the fact that they're absolutely bored, rigid by this.

493
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Yeah.

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Even for your newly adapted phases, Mr. Wolf.

495
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Oh, and then Data tries to give him a way out and goes, no, the

496
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asteroid field is unusually denser.

497
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So they can.

498
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So you know what?

499
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Actually, their banter is a bit better than it's not great, but it

500
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is a bit better than the voyage band, so.

501
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Wait, it's not actually banter because it is just kind of

502
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dialogue.

503
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It's functional dialogue, but because they're relaxed with each

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other and because they've been doing it for ages.

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I mean, look at Riker.

506
00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.319
He's absolutely indicating with that smile, I know what you're

507
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:23.279
doing and that's fine.

508
00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:24.180
Okay?

509
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.819
Like ordinarily I wouldn't let you go. establishing a day in the

510
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:27.839
life of Dr. Bev.

511
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:29.579
A day in the life of the bridge, you know, normal things

512
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:30.119
occurring.

513
00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:30.599
Yeah.

514
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.440
And now everyone starts behaving in a very peculiar way.

515
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:40.859
No, because we have this other really sweet scene where Barclay is

516
00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:42.240
given spot to look after.

517
00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:46.140
Oh, I do like the reference that the spot has been mauling certain

518
00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:47.279
members of the crew.

519
00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:48.480
That's right.

520
00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:52.380
There have been injuries and I think it's delightful that Barclay

521
00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:56.819
is the one person, the, you know, the inept, the sort of socially

522
00:22:56.819 --> 00:23:01.200
inept Mr. Barclay is good with spot, but the only one who is.

523
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:04.619
Do you think Bram has still got a bit of energy here in Israel?

524
00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:08.160
come the Enterprise days.

525
00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:09.480
Yeah, yeah.

526
00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:10.200
Yeah.

527
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:14.279
I, I, spot, spot changes gender. doesn't he?

528
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:15.000
He changes sex.

529
00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:15.960
He's a he.

530
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.779
I think sometimes. too much attention.

531
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.480
A she for, yeah, yeah, for.

532
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.259
Maybe Data didn't look and then discovered when she was pregnant

533
00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:25.859
she was ashamed.

534
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:27.299
She was not hanging out with the characters.

535
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.019
This is what we like.

536
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:29.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

537
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.740
Not hanging out with them behaving like spider people and

538
00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:32.579
amphibians, though.

539
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.500
Well, you've got to do a story eventually.

540
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.279
Do you know, like we've already determined this with DSL.

541
00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:39.720
You can just hang around for an episode.

542
00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:41.460
It's quite fun. you can't on Star Trek.

543
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:42.240
I love this.

544
00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:46.680
And I remember my friend Kate when the question was, who's the

545
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.000
father saying, I don't know, but we suspect it was Commander

546
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.140
Riker.

547
00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.299
It's come out with a dark beard, you know.

548
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.440
I like the fact that there are 13 male cats roaming about the

549
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:04.619
ship.

550
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:06.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:08.700
But we haven't seen him, McCargo Bay, where they're all just

552
00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:09.720
hanging out together.

553
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.839
They all turn into iguanas.

554
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.180
Do you know, isn't it?

555
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.819
Famously, Brent Spiner hated the cat, didn't he?

556
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:21.240
Didn't he say when he came back, I goes, I just don't want to do

557
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.920
any more scenes with that bloody cat, all right?

558
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.359
I think it's because the cat got more attention than he did.

559
00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:32.339
I like this scene as well because Worf is now starting to lose

560
00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:32.759
it.

561
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:38.579
But I like the, I like the... can you, must you stand so close to

562
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:39.119
me, line?

563
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.299
and then Riker kind of, uh, okay.

564
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.220
And then he pulls himself back.

565
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.140
Like, I think that's actually quite fun.

566
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:51.119
See, this was the point where, where, you know, the, the cliche

567
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.160
officer should be like, hang on a minute.

568
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.900
He's very irritable.

569
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.380
Oh, this scene here, I really dislike this scene.

570
00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.460
Oh no, I like this scene a lot.

571
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:00.359
Stuff in his face.

572
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.960
And then poor old Marina's having to guzzle down as many glasses

573
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.819
of water as possible because she's turning into a fish.

574
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.539
Yep, but what's funny about it is the way that they play it like

575
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:13.440
irritable, irritable married couple, like they're like a married

576
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:13.799
couple.

577
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:16.980
It's as if they've been together forever and they're just shitting

578
00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:17.700
one another now.

579
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.759
It's just like, must you eat caviare at lunch and, you know, do

580
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:21.839
you have to do this and stuff?

581
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:24.240
Like, I just found the interrupt.

582
00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:25.559
Well, it's not.

583
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.339
Oh, no, no.

584
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.279
It was it was in that weird mystery they do together.

585
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.619
Oh, no, that's where you find out they're married or something

586
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:32.220
like that.

587
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.539
Yeah, they do they do a murder mystery episode where they they

588
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:38.400
both work on it and get close in that.

589
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.839
I think that's very happen.

590
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:40.980
I think it might have been just before this.

591
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.059
But it is, they go at it through sort of stupid science fiction

592
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:47.700
things like this because they can't commit to it properly.

593
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:52.440
I just imagine switching on at this point and just kind of, no, I'm

594
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:52.619
out.

595
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.619
Yeah, see, I think that's part of the problem too.

596
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.640
And I think it is the science fiction fans fear that our show is

597
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.480
stupid and what will happen if mum comes in and sees us watching

598
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.380
it and goes, oh, God, this is awful, which is, I have a trauma

599
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:11.279
about from Arc of Infinity, like a terrible doctor episode.

600
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:13.019
That's fear that this show is stupid.

601
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:20.279
But I love how annoyed they are at each other. because it just and

602
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.640
it gives Marina the chance to be just annoying as well and

603
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:24.299
irritating.

604
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:25.019
Do you know what I mean?

605
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.099
It's like, She's not being a good girl for once. some genre of

606
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.380
people acting hideously out of character.

607
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.660
It never really lands for me.

608
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.660
I can't I can't think of many occasions.

609
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.400
Yeah, they're pretty good at playing the roles they play, but then

610
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.819
you ask them to do it all a bit heightened and, you know.

611
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:52.079
Except that except that I actually like when Marina gets the

612
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.859
chance to be naughty, like she does in The Loss, like she does in

613
00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:57.660
Man of the People, and like she does here.

614
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.960
Now, this is a massively shit blow effort scene.

615
00:27:01.019 --> 00:27:02.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

616
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.220
She's like kind of dismissive and impatient and stuff.

617
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.279
Yeah, this scene is just...

618
00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:09.480
I got to say, I don't.

619
00:27:09.539 --> 00:27:11.279
Oh, that's so great shit about that.

620
00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:13.079
Oh yeah, Wolf tearing up his horse.

621
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.000
We had this, didn't we?

622
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.740
There's no one episode where he tear up the bar.

623
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:17.160
Remember?

624
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:20.279
Yeah, yeah, but this is pathetic though.

625
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:21.359
Look at that, look at it.

626
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:23.700
Like it's like, Michael, just run around.

627
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.519
All of those.

628
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.680
Acting classes back at college were worth it, you know. tear up

629
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:32.099
the bed.

630
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.259
And look what's the bed made of?

631
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.519
Like, what's happening there?

632
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:38.039
She's pre-rib.

633
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:43.799
And it's like, oh, just get as much of it as you can grab in one

634
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.240
hand, Michael.

635
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:50.519
He's a wild animal because his hair is falling about all over the

636
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:50.759
place.

637
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:55.259
Actually, his hair looks great, I have to say, but that's a super

638
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:56.579
low effort scene.

639
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.619
Oh, and we go into a commercial break.

640
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:03.240
Dwight Schultz doing his spider acting now.

641
00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.720
So he's saying all of his lines in a very fast or speedy, twitchy

642
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:07.259
sort of way.

643
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.900
But it just comes across as bad acting to me.

644
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:13.500
No, no, it's Dwight being fabulous because Dwight's really good.

645
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.980
And I love, I actually love Riker being dumb.

646
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.400
Like, I just think it's super hilarious, and it's partly because

647
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.880
everyone on Star Trek is so competent and so defined by their

648
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.019
competence.

649
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.380
Having him say lines that are sort of, are the sort of thing that

650
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:33.119
Captain Shaw might say in Picard series 3 is funny, like early.

651
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:36.000
He kind of goes, you know, what about that security thing?

652
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:36.900
Well, you do that?

653
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.480
You know, like the kind of, he just can't keep track of anything.

654
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.339
Yeah.

655
00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:42.599
Yeah.

656
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:46.259
Now, I think they're setting something up and I think that what

657
00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:49.019
might happen is that they run out of time or money and they end up

658
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:50.220
cutting in from the final episode.

659
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.380
Well, I did read on memory Alpha.

660
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.160
They said, if this happened before Christmas. they had the

661
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.839
Christmas break to prepare all the makeup.

662
00:28:57.900 --> 00:28:59.279
They never would have got this done.

663
00:28:59.460 --> 00:29:01.140
Right, right.

664
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.660
Like it probably would have been tossed in the bin and, you know

665
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:04.680
god damn Christmas.

666
00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:09.420
Yeah, see, I didn't quite like this too, because again, it's the 2

667
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:11.160
of them fighting like a married couple.

668
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:15.960
Yeah, in public and they're clearly, clearly there is something

669
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:16.920
wrong with the 2 of them.

670
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:18.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

671
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.559
But it's Star Trek.

672
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.740
See, I like live with it where he says, you know, you cannot keep

673
00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:24.599
saying it's Star Trek, like that's an excuse.

674
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:26.220
It is an excuse.

675
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.839
This is this is very television-y. can be good.

676
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it so often isn't.

677
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.319
And this is...

678
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.579
Choked on my drink.

679
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.640
Why are we doing this podcast then?

680
00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:42.779
Because we love it.

681
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:49.079
I think I think Reg, the thing that Reg is doing with his hands is

682
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.200
already making us think of a spider because he's got these fingers

683
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.539
that are going everywhere, like spider legs.

684
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:55.740
I think that's what's happening here.

685
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.460
The worst bit is in the conference room where he's doing all that

686
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:00.180
weird leaning.

687
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

688
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:03.599
What is going on?

689
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.839
Then you've mentioned the rehearsals for this episode.

690
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:10.619
You've got Riker being really baffled and kind of slow moving and

691
00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:12.539
stuff, which I just think is really funny.

692
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.180
You imagine gates there, just off camera.

693
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.079
Give me a bit more.

694
00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:16.740
Dwight.

695
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:17.220
Come on.

696
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:22.619
Yeah, no, look at him trying to feed him something.

697
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:23.460
I know.

698
00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.980
The whole on the left.

699
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.960
It gets his old chess holiday.

700
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:30.839
I thought that was quite a good scene because the camera just sort

701
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.000
of suddenly glides past him and his chest is smoking and exposed.

702
00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:37.200
Yeah.

703
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.539
Yeah, so do we go to a break here with Riker being a moron?

704
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.339
Like you can't remember anything or can't speak?

705
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.660
No, here we go.

706
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:46.859
We've got Troy in the bowl.

707
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:48.960
In her clothes.

708
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:49.980
Why is she taking her clothes off?

709
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.940
Well, because it's weird because it started, you know, she's...

710
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.720
This scene here, Wolf comes in and is very rapey and starts biting

711
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:58.680
her in the bath.

712
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:00.359
I thought this was very old.

713
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:02.579
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.519
Isn't this a bit weird?

715
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.680
Just looks at him and goes for another glass of water.

716
00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:11.099
And he bites her.

717
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.880
Yeah, that's maybe that was such a great plan.

718
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:15.720
Yeah.

719
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.160
Yeah.

720
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:20.220
Oh, no, now, look, we're coming up to one of the 2 great shop

721
00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:23.819
moments of the episode. where Walscott is poisoned sacks.

722
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.740
Although I think Dr. Bev is a bit stupid.

723
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.240
She goes, 0 my God, what's that?

724
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:29.519
It looks like poison sacks and it goes right in front of his

725
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:29.640
face.

726
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.000
You deserve it, Dr. Bear.

727
00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:35.759
What sort of a doctor are you?

728
00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:40.920
So Dr. Salara is still on board, which I think is pretty great.

729
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:42.779
There she is, name checked in series seven.

730
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.119
No, we don't see her after.

731
00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:46.079
No, that is, don't you?

732
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.799
Susie Paxson.

733
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:47.759
Yeah, yeah.

734
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:53.039
So we never see her again after the schizoid man in series 2 that

735
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.940
she keeps getting mentioned.

736
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.700
That's right out, Dr. bed, so she can direct the episode.

737
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

738
00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:59.220
Well, it's a little bit.

739
00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:02.460
Do you remember Riker's 1st episode is the offspring, the 1st one

740
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:03.240
he directs?

741
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:05.940
The 1st one that freaks directs, and he's really in it.

742
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.859
He picks him up over the comedy scene.

743
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:12.539
He's like, I'll not have anything to do with that.

745
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:13.619
Yeah.

746
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:18.839
But like whilst this is superbly timed, I thought, like when he

747
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.779
suddenly hisses and then she's screaming, you never actually see

748
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:24.180
the effect, they can't be asked to do a makeup job.

749
00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:26.400
No, no, no, no, no, no.

750
00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:27.900
But I think that would have been too horrific.

751
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.319
But I do think earlier about low effort, I think, still stands.

752
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:31.920
There's that.

753
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:36.119
It would have been money, but it's also, like, it's, you know, they

754
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.539
they, they don't show us much of, oh my god.

755
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:42.420
You see the software?

756
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:43.500
She's going, oh, oh.

757
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.480
She's not going, oh, oh.

758
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:46.319
She's screaming at me.

759
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.519
I read just say screaming.

760
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.900
My subtitles say screaming.

761
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.640
Nathan, come on now.

762
00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:52.559
She actually said to him, go on, open your mouth.

763
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.240
But now we get Alissa saying that she's going to need major

764
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.720
reconstructive surgery, which we do during the last commercial

765
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.460
break of the episode so that she can be fine to deliver the final

766
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:05.759
line.

767
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:07.380
We do a lot of that, you know.

768
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.279
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:11.099
But we do a lot of that in Star Trek, to be fair.

770
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.319
Oh, this is agonising.

771
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.240
All of these dreadful acting.

772
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.039
Oh my word.

773
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:22.680
Barclays, like, he's literally twitching around the room like a

774
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:23.279
spider.

775
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:24.599
Pretty rough acting there.

776
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:29.220
I think but I think Dwight Schultz is actually trying to hold it

777
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:29.460
together.

778
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.619
She's like, I'm going to be the one person in this scene.

779
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.839
Yeah, yeah, and then she walks off like a gorilla.

780
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:37.500
Like, look at what she does with her hands on the conference table

781
00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:37.920
room.

782
00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:43.140
But I actually really like Riker being baffled because he's now an

783
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.940
idiot. you know I think that's kind of fun.

784
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.460
Yeah, very odd.

785
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:47.880
Is it?

786
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.140
Jordan just gets written out of this.

787
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:50.039
Yeah.

788
00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:54.720
Yeah, I think that they just ran out of time or makeup or latex or

789
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:54.960
something.

790
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:59.400
Nathan, I did write a message to you making a good point. you know

791
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.660
this is a ship full of children.

792
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.339
What's happening to them right now?

793
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.140
Well, they're not in this episode.

794
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.380
They're all paying into horrible beasts.

795
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.840
I would love to have seen that in this episode.

796
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.579
So that's the thing.

797
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.619
Because this is, do you know what I mean?

798
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.019
This is a monster movie and so it's ignoring the children in the

799
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:19.440
way that so many episodes that don't want to deal with the

800
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.679
children, don't deal with them. for the rest of their lives.

801
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:24.480
There's always a...

802
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.780
Yeah, it was always a stupid idea and that, do you know what I

803
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:27.960
mean?

804
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.360
I actually had the door open and you saw some of those threshold

805
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.440
lizards just walking by.

806
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:32.639
It could be the kids, you know?

807
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.559
I like the fact that he banked some of this.

808
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.860
And then when he was stuck for an episode of Voyager. like, oh, you

809
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:42.239
remember that episode Genesis R did?

810
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:43.800
You know, I could do something like that again.

811
00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:49.019
Yeah, but it's so, it's so much less, it's so much more of a

812
00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:49.260
slot.

813
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.159
Really interesting because he was involved in macrocosm in Voyager

814
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:53.579
series 3.

815
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.579
That's when you've got those dreadful CGI box going around the

816
00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:58.920
ship and Janeway's going to all sort of Ripley in a tank top.

817
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.280
But it has them coming back to the ship at the beginning of the

818
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.739
story and then later on you flashback.

819
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.619
Whereas this is doing it the other way around, isn't it?

820
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:08.519
It's showing you everything.

821
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.280
And now we're going to see the aftermath.

822
00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:12.239
Yeah.

823
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.340
So we get a break, don't we?

824
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.340
But what I think is really good here is something that the show

825
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:20.219
rarely does, which is this thing.

826
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.000
Look at the enterprise, like going around and around.

827
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:27.059
And it's a really, really good way of indicating that it's just

828
00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:31.079
abandoned or has completely lost control, the fact that it's

829
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:31.559
drifting.

830
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:35.340
And then something's wrong, Mr. Data. you sure so?

831
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:36.420
to look at the ship.

832
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.079
Yeah.

833
00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.679
But I think it's a good way of selling. that because, you know

834
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.420
also all too often.

835
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.119
It's just a two-dimensional space with all the ships at the same

836
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.460
level and all kind of facing in the same direction.

837
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.360
And there is that great bit of dialogue, like match attitude and

838
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:51.960
rotation.

839
00:35:52.019 --> 00:35:53.820
And so that's all they have to do.

840
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.340
They change the reframe of reference, so it's the same as the

841
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:58.679
enterprises and so the enterprise isn't rolling anymore.

842
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:01.739
I thought that that was actually pretty good and like a little

843
00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:04.260
science fiction moment there.

844
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.539
Not that practical shuttle, you know, they have in the bay.

845
00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:07.980
Yeah, yeah.

846
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.340
Mind you, they were doing that as far back as TOS, wasn't it?

847
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.780
We saw that in one of those.

848
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:14.579
Yeah, like Galileo 7.

849
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.440
Remember where they had the, yeah.

850
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.320
And now all of a sudden, Patrick Stewart's got to start behaving

851
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.239
in a very sort of sheepish manner, hasn't he?

852
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:22.860
He's suddenly very nervous of everything.

853
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:27.960
I actually like, so he's scared of everything, but he's still

854
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.659
super brave and does the brave thing.

855
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:33.719
I'm sure it is not willing to go to the length of Dwight Schultz

856
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:34.380
and everyone else.

857
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.579
So he's sort of still pitching it in a relatively sort of

858
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:40.440
unembarrassing way.

859
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:46.320
But there are some funny lines here, you know, like things that

860
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:52.139
read a serious just are so absurd because data is saying them, you

861
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.239
know, in this complete deadpan way.

862
00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:56.940
So all of that thing about, you know, where he says what's my

863
00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:00.480
transformation, he says a lemur or some kind of, you know, like

864
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.380
and he's doing it just absolutely straight face despite the fact

865
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:05.699
that it's so ridiculous.

866
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.900
We have walked about a darkened enterprise, a fair amount in the

867
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:11.400
last years, you know.

868
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:11.820
Yeah.

869
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:18.780
But, you know, we talked about like when does this era of Star

870
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:20.099
Trek do a monster movie.

871
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.179
Like when does it have a monster attacking people, like ever.

872
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.219
We've had it in strange new worlds.

873
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.420
We've had it in discovery.

874
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.360
But... serial killer count?

875
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:32.639
No, no, it doesn't.

876
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:35.820
So it's just, yeah, just like a big monster.

877
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.300
Like the guy in the least dangerous game, you know, the guy who's

878
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.400
hunting Boimler in the least dangerous game.

879
00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:44.159
Like we've never had them humped by a monster around.

880
00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.340
She's strangely well, was so good. chilling.

881
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.460
It was so in a way that this just is...

882
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.380
Well, this can't, this can't commit to that.

883
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:55.500
But it's 90s Star Trek.

884
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.139
It's never going to be visually that interesting.

885
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.019
It's never going to be as gory.

886
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.139
It's, you know, it's just never going to commit to it.

887
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.000
Yeah, it is a shame.

888
00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.360
This does go as far as it probably can, I think.

889
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:11.280
Well, I think just in the makeup.

890
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:12.300
Yeah, yeah.

891
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:15.780
Like, I think the spider makeup is pretty goulish, but...

892
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:17.099
And I'm pretty glad everybody else.

893
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.019
Troy just going hilarious. you're on it.

894
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.840
Yeah, Troy is ridiculous. coming up for this bit now.

895
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:24.239
So she's got condensation all over a door.

896
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:26.460
So we know that it's a bit warm in there.

897
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah.

898
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:33.059
Marina says, I feel for her in this scene where she's having to

899
00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:35.159
gasp at the air with these gills flapping.

900
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

901
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.880
It's pretty the makeup is actually pretty incredible.

902
00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:40.679
You think?

903
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.059
Yeah, yeah.

904
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.760
Like, it's pretty good for Star Trek makeup.

905
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:46.559
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:50.280
But then she's doing this sort of gasping frog thing.

907
00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:54.300
And it is, but it is also that because they're not really

908
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:56.699
characters and because this is sort of bizarre.

909
00:38:56.699 --> 00:39:02.099
And again, remember what I said about the show, in essence being

910
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:05.940
an anthology show, that essentially what we have is this week

911
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:07.920
Marinas are dressed as a frog.

912
00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:10.679
You know, it's just like, there she is.

913
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:11.940
You think that's good makeup?

914
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.579
I think that looks like a couple of flaps put on her neck.

915
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.679
What's the, what are the, what some dragon's teeth?

916
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.000
What are those monsters called?

917
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.260
Bombardwir.

918
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.699
Yeah, actually there are.

919
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:26.099
There's a V, all right?

920
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:26.940
a space name.

921
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

922
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:28.980
There's some...

923
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.280
Because I think they could have had another great shock moment

924
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:32.579
there.

925
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.099
She could have come bursting out of that water and get the life

926
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:35.579
out of them.

927
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:37.500
Whereas if they just sort of pull her out.

928
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.860
And then she sort of looks at the ceiling being a frog.

929
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.219
Be a frog trainer. imagine if it's like a frog. really pump that

930
00:39:44.219 --> 00:39:45.300
room full of dry ice.

931
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.059
So it was really steamy and it just comes out of this mist, you

932
00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:48.300
know.

933
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:56.579
I I laughed out loud when the tricorder comes into shot.

934
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.260
So you've got Patrick there.

935
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.219
You've got Marina being a frog and then you've got Dana shoving a

936
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:04.019
tricorder into the shop.

937
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.699
Only on Star Trek.

938
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.500
Because honestly, if I was confronted with that situation, I'd

939
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:14.579
probably laugh my head off.

940
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

941
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:18.960
But I mean, you know, like he's turned into a frog, you know?

942
00:40:19.019 --> 00:40:20.820
It's ridiculous.

943
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:22.739
Oh yeah, look at this fella.

944
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:23.760
Yeah, yeah.

945
00:40:23.820 --> 00:40:24.719
Both of them are dead.

946
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:25.440
Both are pretty ones.

947
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:26.519
Look at the console.

948
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:27.599
It's been smashed above, right?

949
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.539
Oh, no, wait, it's only the pretty one on the left.

950
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.659
Yeah, see, I think that's about as far as they go here.

951
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.199
He's got like these slash marks right across his chest.

952
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:41.340
Yeah, it's a little bit like Rachel Garrett and the big shard of

953
00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:42.420
the big knife in her head.

954
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.719
I'm not sure why he's doing that sort of boss-eyed acting though.

955
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:48.840
Oh, at least he's pretty.

956
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:50.579
He was quite pretty, wasn't he?

957
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:53.099
At least it wasn't Ensign Gates.

958
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:55.559
No, she's great.

959
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:56.400
We love her.

960
00:40:56.460 --> 00:40:59.039
And the security woman who's in this one as well.

961
00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:01.380
Look what they've done to the chairs here.

962
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:03.480
He's been whipping up the chairs.

963
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:09.480
It's astonishing how most atmosphere you can get out of this set

964
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.679
you know, when they turn the lights off.

965
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.719
Yeah, all you need to do is turn the lights off and move the

966
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.599
camera around. yesterday's Enterprise all of a sudden.

967
00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:23.219
So I'm, when he says, I'm picking up... a 1011 life forms.

968
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.219
Does that include the 12 male cats?

969
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.880
Oh, I imagine so, yeah.

970
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.300
Yeah.

971
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.539
So it's a bit less than a 1000 people on board at this point.

972
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:34.199
Oh, there you go.

973
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:35.519
He's accounted for all the families there.

974
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:37.320
They've all gone to the arboretum.

975
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:39.300
They all hanging out in Keiko's little play area.

976
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.840
Yeah, yeah, but they're all a bit like Council of Troy.

977
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:43.739
Monkeys or something.

978
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.480
He said they were all aquatic, didn't they?

979
00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:46.500
Oh, okay.

980
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:49.980
I told you this, they'll turn into those salamanders.

981
00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:52.619
Start fucking.

982
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.280
What's happening here?

983
00:41:56.340 --> 00:41:57.659
This is where we see Riker, is it?

984
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

985
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.059
Which again is one of the high points of Johnny's career as an

986
00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:05.639
actor. very similar to his season one acting, isn't it?

987
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.340
Alpha male.

988
00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:11.159
Well, I mean, climbing all over the chairs.

989
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:12.840
He does do a bit of that in season one.

990
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.739
Oh that's quite good.

991
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:17.400
Look at that.

992
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:25.679
So good, you know, they turn the entire enterprise, you know, the

993
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.860
original enterprise, crew into monkeys in one episode as well.

994
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.780
No, they don't.

995
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.159
Yeah, they never forgot about it.

996
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:32.940
Yeah, series three.

997
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.940
They all get turned into primates, yeah.

998
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.019
Oh my god.

999
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.360
He never forgets an idea, you know.

1000
00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:45.659
Oh my god, Patrick Stewart's face when he jumps on.

1001
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:48.900
Oh my god.

1002
00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:52.500
Oh, that is that Frank's yet is.

1003
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.159
It is.

1004
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.039
Yeah, they just can't quite stage action at this point.

1005
00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:57.119
No.

1006
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.880
It's like a long shot.

1007
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:00.900
It's a long shot.

1008
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.460
I mean jumping over the desk.

1009
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.199
That's reasonably good for 90 Star Trek.

1010
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.219
That's the singer.

1011
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.679
Captain, I believe the crew is de- evolving.

1012
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.860
This is so fucking stupid.

1013
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:24.420
So there is an explanation given and it is, it makes no sense

1014
00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:24.780
right?

1015
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.900
So, there...

1016
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.159
Yeah, no, like it's just absolute gobbledy-goo, and there is some

1017
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.019
real sort of science involved.

1018
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.920
Like introns are kind of like regions of a gene that aren't

1019
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.840
expressed that don't seem to code anything.

1020
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:41.579
How do you know that?

1021
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.920
Oh, I looked it up on Wikipedia beforehand.

1022
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:45.780
And so they were kind of...

1023
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:48.539
I just wrote the script and then just put insert medical babble

1024
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:48.780
here.

1025
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:55.260
No, I actually suspect that he is reacting to something that would

1026
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:59.159
he would have heard about DNA, that not all of our genes are

1027
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.619
expressed and that some things, some things in our genome date

1028
00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:06.360
from earlier or something.

1029
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:10.019
But, you know, and there was always that sort of weird idea that

1030
00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:16.139
people sort of moved through various transitional evolutionary

1031
00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:18.719
stages as part of embryology and stuff.

1032
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.679
But so there is a thing here, but of course, what's said is makes

1033
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:27.780
no sense, but nothing that is ever said about DNA in Star Trek

1034
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:29.940
ever makes any sense at all.

1035
00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:32.400
And so it sounds magical.

1036
00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:34.920
If you're going to do this, if you're going to do a B movie

1037
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.820
schlocky, we're turning into monster story. absurd science.

1038
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:39.780
No, no, no, no, no, no.

1039
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:40.440
Just have the line.

1040
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.460
They've been de-evolved.

1041
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:41.940
It's enough.

1042
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.320
Yeah, yeah.

1043
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:49.380
I know... the science in inverted comments to back it up.

1044
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.260
But, you know, yeah.

1045
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.420
But I mean, they're always going to do that.

1046
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.960
When Star Trek talks about DNA, they talk about whatever it is

1047
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:03.420
that's essential to making us who we are, it's like our essence

1048
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.260
and if your essence changes, then you change into an animal or an

1049
00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:08.219
alien or a...

1050
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:08.940
Don't show that.

1051
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:10.619
I'm quite going for that here though, are they?

1052
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:11.460
No.

1053
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:12.659
Well I think that's what it is.

1054
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.420
I think, you know, it's just all magic words at this point.

1055
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.219
See, I love.

1056
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.320
I love Picard's reaction.

1057
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.579
He likes Stewart's reaction.

1058
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.079
You've been infected too.

1059
00:45:22.139 --> 00:45:23.820
And he goes, ah, okay.

1060
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.739
And what am I going to change into?

1061
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:31.320
And then just having data deliver this in the in this sort of

1062
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:32.460
deadpan way.

1063
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.260
And it's like, what am I going to turn into?

1064
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.420
I believe, sir, you will evolve into an earlier form of primate.

1065
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.539
Possibly a lemur or a pig, pig, pig, pig, pig.

1066
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.119
It's such a great chance of words.

1067
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:50.039
And then the clothes up of his face.

1068
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:55.559
Oh, so this has left to be all together for it.

1069
00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:56.820
It's so funny.

1070
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.400
Like, that is absolutely brilliant.

1071
00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:03.239
And then he kind of creates a joke well before I start swinging

1072
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:04.860
through the corridors.

1073
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:10.860
And when he's in the lift and wharf's attacking immediately in the

1074
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:16.500
turbo lift, he uses his mama said abilities to climb up the walls

1075
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:18.179
and up the roof of the thing.

1076
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.340
Like, it's so absurd.

1077
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.300
It's so ridiculous.

1078
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.539
And he just, he's just decided this is just going to sell.

1079
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.480
My issue is because it's all being played so straight and it is

1080
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:28.380
being played straight.

1081
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.780
Rascals was played for laughs, you know?

1082
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:32.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.159
I think I might have had more fun with this if it was just camped

1084
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:35.820
up a bit.

1085
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.920
I think that's possibly true, but I do think that it's the right

1086
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.940
choice for Spiner and Stuart to play it straight.

1087
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.559
Oh, the little keys.

1088
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:50.940
So the one thing that irritated me about this episode is those

1089
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:56.880
kittens have been without feeding for 12 hours and they don't feed

1090
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:57.239
them.

1091
00:46:57.300 --> 00:47:02.519
Like replicate some fucking milk, you monsters, and then go and do

1092
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:02.760
the thing.

1093
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:03.960
Sports collar.

1094
00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:10.800
German's review was, there's no reason, there seems to be no

1095
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.699
reason why he turns, she turns into a lizard except that they had

1096
00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:18.239
a lizard around that the collar would fit and you kind of go, well

1097
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:18.780
yes.

1098
00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:24.480
No, I'll tell you what, that's my best laugh for the whole episode

1099
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.980
is wearing this pink collar.

1100
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.199
Yeah, yeah, that's tremendous, isn't it?

1101
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:32.219
Oh, because you know what it is, right?

1102
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:32.639
It is.

1103
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:34.019
We've done 7 years of this now.

1104
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:35.460
They know they can get away with anything.

1105
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.019
They know we love these characters.

1106
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.599
They'll just do anything and no, we'll take it.

1107
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:41.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1108
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:43.320
And I think too.

1109
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:47.579
No, and I think that just going big, like if they had kind of kind

1110
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:54.480
of backpedalled it a bit or been a bit half-hearted, then, um, it

1111
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.019
wouldn't have worked.

1112
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:59.820
Well, the one thing that I think is the problem is that this

1113
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:04.019
version of Star Trek is never really properly funny.

1114
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.719
Like very memorable, funny lines.

1115
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:09.480
There's, you know, I am not a man.

1116
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:11.039
I'm the goddess of empathy.

1117
00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:13.440
That was very funny. was pretty good.

1118
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.440
And the cellular peptide cake, obviously.

1119
00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:22.380
But, um, But so they can't actually make it as funny as it needs

1120
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:22.860
to be.

1121
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:26.400
And you have someone as funny as Dwight Schultz in that scene. and

1122
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.679
Frank's can be funny as well.

1123
00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:30.960
Like Franks can be properly funny.

1124
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:35.219
That scene could have been punched up a bit and made more funny.

1125
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.480
And I think I think Frakes does a pretty good job with his...

1126
00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:42.719
I can't remember things and I'm not sure what's going on lines.

1127
00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:44.460
Like, I think that that's pretty good.

1128
00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:46.380
And I did get a couple of laughs out of that.

1129
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.320
Well, the weird thing is, isn't as funny as it could be.

1130
00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:52.739
I think, so, this masks and sub-roser.

1131
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.579
They're like the 3 recognised duds of this year, yeah.

1132
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.900
And they're all insane.

1133
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.880
But they're all played for real.

1134
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.980
This is actually occurring and no one was going, well, this is

1136
00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:05.639
absurd.

1137
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:11.159
I think the least memorable one of those is masks, but I do think

1138
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:15.719
that it's telling that there is a whole episode of lower decks

1139
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.400
that starts with another mask related incident and Captain Freeman

1140
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.400
going through the corridors of the ship with her mask.

1141
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.099
That's great.

1142
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.920
Okay, so Barclay jumping up as the spider.

1143
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:31.320
Yeah, a genuinely good shock.

1144
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.099
Yeah.

1145
00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:35.099
And the camera don't hold on him for too long either.

1146
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.139
I thought you can't really get a sense of what he looks like.

1147
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:38.340
Yeah, yeah.

1148
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:38.940
Then he goes.

1149
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.679
And I think that that's good.

1150
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:43.739
Like, I would have not liked to have seen much more of that.

1151
00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:47.340
See, unlike Deanna Troy's quarters, I would have gone far crazier

1152
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:50.400
with these spider webs everywhere, all around engineering, you

1153
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:50.639
know?

1154
00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:53.880
have them having to claw their way through them.

1155
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.719
Through them.

1156
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:55.320
Yeah.

1157
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:57.059
Yeah.

1158
00:49:57.059 --> 00:49:58.139
But no, this is the problem.

1159
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:00.539
I think this is half the problem with what we said before about

1160
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.760
having to churn out 26 episodes.

1161
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:04.679
They got a certain amount of time to do it, you know?

1162
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:05.280
right.

1163
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:09.420
Nowadays, could you imagine this nowadays if they were doing it?

1164
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.880
Well, I think this is one of the episodes that we would have

1165
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.179
decided not to make if we had a budget of 10 episodes.

1166
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:18.780
I think we could probably do without the D evolution one.

1167
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.159
I would respect them more if they had.

1168
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:25.739
But I can't imagine this being made in any other version of Star

1169
00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:26.219
Trek.

1170
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:27.780
Do you know what I mean?

1171
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.380
They, well, they, no, they may not even a more half-hearted

1172
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:33.840
attempt to do this in Voyager when they had them all turn into

1173
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.980
creatures in series four.

1174
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.820
There was an episode where they were being experimented on and

1175
00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:41.820
things and they were turning, one of them had spots, one of them

1176
00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:45.239
had scales, and it was all, it was all played as just sort of like

1177
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:46.500
another day in the office episode.

1178
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.579
It was very weird.

1179
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:52.380
At least at least they made a bit of a party of this one.

1180
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1181
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:57.000
So they've gone, how about we do genesis and cross it with

1182
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:57.659
schisms?

1183
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.340
Is that what's happening there or?

1184
00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:01.739
But without any of the atmosphere of either.

1185
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.260
Either on... is quite creepy, you know?

1186
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:05.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1187
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:06.539
It's weird.

1188
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:08.460
Nicky aliens.

1189
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.420
Yeah, yeah, they're good.

1190
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.159
Not sure that impression was good, but yeah, you get the idea.

1191
00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:16.019
Yeah.

1192
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:16.559
Oh, no.

1193
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.619
No, I think we talked about this on the thread, but I think wharf

1194
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:21.300
is the worst monster of all.

1195
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.300
Oh, I think he's because I think he just looks a bit like a big

1196
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:24.599
rock.

1197
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:29.699
Yeah, but what it looks like is, you know, that forehead, like

1198
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:33.539
he's got a Klingon forehead pretty much unlike any other Klingon

1199
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:37.679
that we ever see in the show, but it's kind of like you can

1200
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.460
imagine he's like a primitive form of Klingon that had a giant

1201
00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:42.659
exoskeleton.

1202
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:44.280
So it does kind of look like him.

1203
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.420
And I think Michael does some great vocalisations as that sort of

1204
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:49.440
scary monster.

1205
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:51.480
I think he kind of sells it.

1206
00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:53.280
He's not required to do that much acting.

1207
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:54.719
It's mostly the costume.

1208
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:59.460
Um, I quite like the, like, Picard here.

1209
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.980
Like, he is doing some weird guy acting.

1210
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.619
But, um...

1211
00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:05.820
I love Data's line.

1212
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.460
It's like, well, you know, like it would just be easier for him to

1213
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:10.619
go off and consume one of the people walking through the

1214
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:11.340
corridors.

1215
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.719
Do you see it?

1216
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:14.280
I think that's Troy's hands.

1217
00:52:14.340 --> 00:52:15.780
That's supposed to be underneath that blanket there.

1218
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.280
Marina's not there today, so she's under a fag.

1219
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:21.719
It's yeah, that's right.

1220
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:23.099
It's a body dog.

1221
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:24.780
You don't need me today, Gatesy, do you?

1222
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.519
No, I'm not getting that makeup again.

1223
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:32.039
You made me look fucking stupid, all right?

1224
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.480
I didn't go through Rada for this.

1225
00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:39.539
I would love to hear them talking about doing this.

1226
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:42.719
I commentary of this episode would be the best thing ever.

1227
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.519
Well, aside from ours, of course.

1228
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:45.900
Yeah, yeah.

1229
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:47.219
But there you go.

1230
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.019
See, we don't even get, Oh, no, there she is.

1231
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:49.679
Look, she's there.

1232
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:50.400
She's on set.

1233
00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:52.920
Really, gangsy?

1234
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:53.219
Really?

1235
00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:56.880
I haven't even got any lines.

1236
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:59.760
Oh bless that.

1237
00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:03.300
Oh, look, those gills are...

1238
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:03.719
Yeah.

1239
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:04.019
Yeah.

1240
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.380
Yeah, I think there's this is a bit of a problem with this

1241
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:08.639
episodic television, you know.

1242
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:11.699
We've got 7 minutes left and everyone's still a monster at this

1243
00:53:11.699 --> 00:53:11.880
point.

1244
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:15.000
So we've got to do some pretty quick wrap up on this.

1245
00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:19.980
And they absolutely hang a hat on how stupid that is, I think, in

1246
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:20.820
that final line.

1247
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.619
And it's a thing that they do all the time.

1248
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:28.260
You know, like man of the people. like whatever that, what's the

1249
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:33.300
old person, one in series 2, where Pulaski becomes old on the USS

1250
00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:34.980
percane, unnatural selection.

1251
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:35.340
That it.

1252
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:39.659
See, another motion. the most offensive old age makeup we've ever

1253
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:40.619
seen, but it's pretty bad.

1254
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:41.820
It's pretty bad.

1255
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:42.539
It is pretty good.

1256
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:43.860
It's Diana Moldar, so often.

1257
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:45.719
She's already old.

1258
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.659
Ever since she got pushed down that lift shaft.

1259
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.260
Oh my god. in love with her I saw it happen.

1260
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:58.739
Oh, Jesus Christ.

1261
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.000
Yeah, so he's being brave.

1262
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:03.179
We're going to go around with this magical piper spray now and

1263
00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:05.340
we're going to re-evolve everybody.

1264
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.340
Yeah. all the time we're back from the ad break.

1265
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.239
Everything's going to be all right.

1266
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:10.559
Everything's gonna be fine.

1267
00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:11.579
So he's just luring.

1268
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.760
He's just luring warf away with her pheromones.

1269
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:17.159
I mean, how the facts?

1270
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:18.960
How the fuck is there no after effects?

1271
00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:20.940
And no physical after effects on anybody.

1272
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.960
No, because like I said, Star Trek gets an anthology show and this

1273
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:25.559
always happens.

1274
00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.960
Someone turns into an alien and then they're back at work next

1275
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:28.199
week.

1276
00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:28.980
It's the thing.

1277
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.039
That lower deck makes fun of it for. for everything.

1278
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:32.820
This is Star Trek.

1279
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:33.420
That's right.

1280
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.940
Well, but that's what Star Trek does. all the time.

1281
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.500
Not just this week.

1282
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.000
I'm going to make a caveat for discovery, which has consequences.

1283
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.500
Oh, yeah.

1284
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.360
They're the only two. you know everyone else.

1285
00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:50.699
I think that they would, I think that they would shy away from

1286
00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:51.539
some of this stuff.

1287
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.320
This is not the sort of thing that they would do even on Strangely

1288
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.119
Worlds, which does do high concept stuff.

1289
00:54:57.179 --> 00:55:01.260
Well, DSI did a horror story, but it was a serial killer story.

1290
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.659
It was Garak as a serial killer, killing a load of red shirts, you

1291
00:55:03.659 --> 00:55:03.840
know.

1292
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:06.420
So it was still sort of within the realms of plausibility.

1293
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.099
It was a psychological horror more than anything.

1294
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:08.699
Yeah.

1295
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.039
Um, why did I like some of this?

1296
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:15.059
Picard running around the turbolifts and wharf trying to break

1297
00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:15.300
in.

1298
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.860
This was this was a bit tense.

1299
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:17.280
Yeah.

1300
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:19.800
But watch him watch him sort of climb the walls.

1301
00:55:19.860 --> 00:55:24.539
I think they do a good job with Wharf too, like keeping him in the

1302
00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:27.719
dark, so we don't get to see that costume too much.

1303
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:31.500
It's only when he's unconscious in the Jeffries tube that we get

1304
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.420
really any side of it and his face down.

1305
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.579
But it looks like he has mandibles or something.

1306
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.559
There's something really weird going on the front of his face.

1307
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:42.420
I generally do make these turbo lists seem quite terrifying at

1308
00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:43.199
times. you know.

1309
00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:46.199
There's one way Picard walks out and it's just a starscape and

1310
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.539
there's another one where the ceiling's coming in on him.

1311
00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:52.559
He's doing his pygmy marmoset climbing up to the roof.

1312
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:57.480
All those years at Royal Shakespeare were not wasted, Patrick.

1313
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:01.980
Oh, poor, not so coward, the monkey.

1314
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.139
Yeah, that's not a great look for her, is it?

1315
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.880
I wonder if it is actually her.

1316
00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:12.059
Oh, Jesus Christ, I can feel more IQ going down with her for

1317
00:56:12.059 --> 00:56:12.360
seconds.

1318
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.900
And they weren't much there to start off with.

1319
00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:20.280
That's awesome.

1320
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.539
Yeah, that's not enough gloop, is there in Star Trek?

1321
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:25.619
No, but that was pretty good.

1322
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.719
That was a pretty good moment of gloop there.

1323
00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:29.519
Again, though, it wasn't quiet.

1324
00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:31.679
It didn't make me jump the way the other 2 bits did.

1325
00:56:31.739 --> 00:56:34.800
No, I think we had some opportunities, gate, so we didn't take

1326
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:34.980
them.

1327
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.820
Yeah.

1328
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.820
But look, there's also a computer animation on the screen that

1329
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:43.739
shows her DNA being kind of rewritten back to normal and he just

1330
00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:46.500
says, speed it up and then it speeds up.

1331
00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:51.239
The outbreak's coming.

1332
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.119
That's great too.

1333
00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:59.519
That is kind of like when Michael is is loping down the corridor

1334
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.139
on all 4s towards him.

1335
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:06.239
That is very like a shot from Alien. trouble with his makeup is it

1336
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.519
looks like he's just got a helmet on and you know why that is?

1337
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.619
Because I think she's just got a helmet on.

1338
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.940
Isn't Nurse Agawa, like Patty is so beautiful.

1339
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.320
Like in, you know, in that bed where she's looking, like she's not

1340
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.920
on and stuff, she's a great round, you know, instead of just being

1341
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.179
past me to hyperspray.

1342
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:25.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1343
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:27.360
I mean, she's in lower decks.

1344
00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:29.880
They do give her a thing to do, which is pretty great.

1345
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.579
So good.

1346
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.619
I can't believe that is in the same season as this.

1347
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.960
Yeah. is really good, isn't it?

1348
00:57:37.019 --> 00:57:40.800
It looks definitely swinging. at this point Yeah.

1349
00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:44.519
But it is, it's doing a thing that we've never done before.

1350
00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:45.059
There we go.

1351
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.619
The duck...

1352
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:52.980
Here's our, here is our, um, our... all the crew back to normal.

1353
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.360
Yeah, that's right.

1354
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:58.500
He's the captain's log, and the problems are all solved, and we're

1355
00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:01.860
back to normal with the same camera movements in Sik Bay.

1356
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.179
The same group of people.

1357
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.019
She's doing her, but doctor, there's just one thing I don't

1358
00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:07.500
understand.

1359
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.500
And I adore this.

1360
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.460
I love his reaction to being told that the disease is named after

1361
00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:14.760
him.

1362
00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:18.900
Uh, you know, like we normally name the 1st person who gets the

1363
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:19.320
disease.

1364
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:20.639
That's what we call the disease.

1365
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:24.599
And so it's like, we're going to call it Barclay's Protomorphosis

1366
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:25.800
Syndrome.

1367
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:29.519
And he goes, oh, I like the sound of that, which I just think is

1368
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:30.179
adorable.

1369
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:35.639
Look, we're back to where we were when we started, when it was

1370
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:35.820
good.

1371
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1372
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.780
Yeah, but look, and again, Gates has had massive reconstructed

1373
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:45.300
reconstructive surgery in the brake.

1374
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:46.320
It's the whole thing.

1375
00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:48.599
I don't know what they're doing You know, the next episode is

1376
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.119
Journeys In. the one where Wesley Cruscher goes off with the

1377
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:51.539
travellers.

1378
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:56.699
We're doing that whole Native American thing. as a robot going, oh

1379
00:58:56.699 --> 00:58:57.300
my Wesley.

1380
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:58.380
Where's it going?

1381
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:03.719
So I love this too, where she says I better clear my calendar for

1382
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.659
the next few weeks and pulls her kind of, oh my God, I'm going to

1383
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:09.960
have to spend a lot of time dealing with Barclay, whereas everyone

1384
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.539
else is just going to go back to normal next week.

1385
00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:16.380
I'll clear my schedule. involved.

1386
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:17.099
Yeah, that's right.

1387
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.559
Because I'll have to deal with Barclay, who is the only one who

1388
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:24.659
weirdly can't cope with being turned into an animal and then

1389
00:59:24.659 --> 00:59:25.260
turned back.

1390
00:59:26.460 --> 00:59:28.320
A reasonable reaction to this.

1391
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.059
Yeah, that's right.

1392
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:33.659
It is very odd kind of, it's hanging a hat on the fact that

1393
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:37.619
normally if you're turned into an alien in Star Trek, you are back

1394
00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:40.860
to normal and fine to go back to work by the end of the episode

1395
00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:42.420
which is clearly what's happened here.

1396
00:59:42.539 --> 00:59:47.159
I do think there is a certain amount of everything's back to

1397
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.460
normal that you can take in Star Trek.

1398
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.380
And then I think it goes a bit too far.

1399
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.300
And you're like, I just, I just do not believe in you people at

1400
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:57.719
all.

1401
00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:02.219
No, but the trouble with that is then it doesn't allow you to

1402
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:04.019
really go properly high concept.

1403
01:00:04.139 --> 01:00:06.179
So think about frame of mind, right?

1404
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.500
Like, Riker has the shit scan out of him and he's sort of

1405
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:15.179
tormented and it's a hugely weird psychological thing.

1406
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.840
It's very unsettling and very creepy and and he does some pretty

1407
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.739
good acting and, you know, it's a it's a great high concept

1408
01:00:22.739 --> 01:00:25.619
episode and that he's fine the week after that.

1409
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.980
And I think that we just have to be fine with that.

1410
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.260
That's what I think I mean by it's an anthology series because the

1411
01:00:34.260 --> 01:00:38.219
show isn't equipped to explore that and doesn't want to

1412
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.380
essentially.

1413
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.239
I mean, I was trying to think, okay, so, you know, my comparison

1414
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:46.139
is always DS9.

1415
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:46.500
Yep.

1416
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.659
What kind of concepts did they do?

1417
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.460
Children of Time, where they met their descendants?

1418
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:54.239
They pulled that off with without, and they do deal with the

1419
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:55.139
consequences of that.

1420
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.780
What's the one with O'Brien serving last sentence?

1421
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and they never talk about that again.

1422
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:05.159
No, we never mention it again.

1423
01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:08.280
And like, you know, Kira gets changed into a crystal in there.

1424
01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:10.500
I love that one.

1425
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:12.179
Yeah, but do you know what I mean?

1426
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:13.199
Like all Star Trek.

1427
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:15.179
You've got to remember, that's not Kira, right?

1428
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:15.900
That a changeling.

1429
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:16.679
Okay.

1430
01:01:16.739 --> 01:01:18.119
It's a twist.

1431
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:23.099
They're trying to make Odo confesses love, you know, for Kira

1432
01:01:23.099 --> 01:01:25.559
right. by putting her in a dangerous situation.

1433
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:26.940
Okay, fair.

1434
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:28.199
What about one little ship?

1435
01:01:28.260 --> 01:01:30.360
Actually, yeah, you would be, you would have some consequences

1436
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:30.599
there.

1437
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:32.280
Oh no, they do deal with that.

1438
01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:35.280
They shrink them down. make them big again and then have a scene

1439
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.159
where Odo's and Cork are going, you sure you've gone back to the

1440
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:38.579
right size?

1441
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.400
You've seen a few inches, should you work?

1442
01:01:41.460 --> 01:01:43.199
It's really funny.

1443
01:01:43.260 --> 01:01:48.960
But you know, like I said, this is not a show that is doing a

1444
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:50.219
level of realism at all.

1445
01:01:50.460 --> 01:01:52.860
Just wish somebody had laughed about it.

1446
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:57.179
Yeah, I think that that's probably the biggest flaw, that in fact

1447
01:01:57.179 --> 01:01:58.440
it doesn't take it far enough.

1448
01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:05.159
And because this show can't actually do funny very well and only

1449
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.059
rarely does, there are scenes that are a bit boring or a little

1450
01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:13.139
bit that are a bit embarrassing at times in it, that could have

1451
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:13.920
been more entertaining.

1452
01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:17.699
Oh, mate, the contrast again, you know, talking about people

1453
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:19.619
laughing because in one little ship.

1454
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.860
I don't know if you remember, in the 1st scene, Cisco goes to

1455
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:23.340
Kira.

1456
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.219
Major, are you laughing at our scientific experiment?

1457
01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:29.820
And she goes, look, just because we're reducing people down for

1458
01:02:29.820 --> 01:02:32.699
the size of coffee cups and then just falls into laughter

1459
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.480
basically they're getting out of the way that the high concept is

1460
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.320
absurd, you know?

1461
01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:37.980
Yeah.

1462
01:02:37.980 --> 01:02:38.639
Yeah.

1463
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:39.840
Yeah. and then they do it.

1464
01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:42.599
They do a wacky high concept thing and that's superb.

1465
01:02:42.659 --> 01:02:46.679
So, you know, I don't like any sort of thing which says we need to

1466
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:47.519
pull it back.

1467
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:49.079
It needs to be more sensible.

1468
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:53.340
You've got to let them do something sort of crazy and potentially

1469
01:02:53.340 --> 01:02:54.059
showbreaking.

1470
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:57.300
Well, I think there are levels of stupid, you know?

1471
01:02:57.300 --> 01:03:01.679
And I think we have determined on this episode that your, how much

1472
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.840
of it you can take is far more than making.

1473
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:04.739
Yeah, I think so.

1474
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:08.159
But I think I think it's because I'm regarding this show

1475
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:14.219
differently and I think a show, like I think if Strange New Worlds

1476
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:17.940
did that episode, I think I would think less of it.

1477
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.280
I think it would do a better job of it for a start because it's

1478
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.139
generally better made.

1479
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:28.619
But this is a show that has consequences for the characters.

1480
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:37.139
And so we see Laan go at the end of episode 9 and she's away, you

1481
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:38.760
know, for a break.

1482
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:41.579
We, you know, there are things that happen to the characters that

1483
01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:44.699
actually matter from episode to episode.

1484
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.099
Well, they they do that horror episode, don't they?

1485
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.679
But then they kill off the engineer in that episode.

1486
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.920
You know, there's massive consequences for the show.

1487
01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:53.820
Yeah.

1488
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:59.159
Whereas this, well, I mean, I mean, other some roses are saying

1489
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.460
this is the dying days of Star Trek, the next generation, you

1490
01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:02.699
know.

1491
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:07.019
And instead of going out with intellectual treats, you know

1492
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:09.960
riveting drama, we're turning Troy into a fish.

1493
01:04:10.019 --> 01:04:11.039
Yeah.

1494
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:14.340
But, you know, like the 2nd last episode, preemptive strike is

1495
01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:17.400
what everyone wants, and I don't think it's all that good.

1496
01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:21.179
You know, it's flatly directed as the trouble, I think that one.

1497
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:21.900
Yeah.

1498
01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:25.079
And the same journey's end, you know, like Journey's end gives us

1499
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:25.860
a...

1500
01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:27.000
Yeah, it's boring.

1501
01:04:27.059 --> 01:04:29.460
You like emergence and often that's tedious.

1502
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:33.659
Yeah, I think, look, I think I like emergence as an idea and as a

1503
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:36.059
high concept thing, you know, like I'm happy about that.

1504
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.219
I do think in practice it's a bit boring.

1505
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.059
But it is kind of weird in places in a good way, which is

1506
01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:45.659
something that Star Trek the Next Generation doesn't do anywhere

1507
01:04:45.659 --> 01:04:46.260
near enough.

1508
01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:50.280
What is baffling, though, is that TNG did get to a point where it

1509
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.260
was consistently excellent.

1510
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.860
Yeah, and it isn't doing that anymore.

1511
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.820
No.

1512
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:58.679
And that's strange.

1513
01:04:58.739 --> 01:05:01.980
I think it gets a heyday of about 3 years.

1514
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.960
I think things start to go pear shaped in six, but 6 is still

1515
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.420
pretty good. has quite a lot of good episodes.

1516
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:10.860
Somewhat annoyingly.

1517
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.019
Whenever we dive into those seasons.

1518
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.000
We get episodes like the masterpiece society.

1519
01:05:15.059 --> 01:05:16.920
Yeah, that's right.

1520
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:18.960
Oh, come on, we've had Dharmok.

1521
01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:21.239
We had yesterday's Enterprise on our 1st outing.

1522
01:05:21.300 --> 01:05:23.400
It's all good How many years have we done?

1523
01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:24.539
That's 2 of them.

1524
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.360
Look, next time I'd get it and I choose next gen, I'm genuinely

1525
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:33.000
going to keep pressing until something good happens.

1526
01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:35.159
I think I need convincing now.

1527
01:05:35.219 --> 01:05:38.159
I've gone past the point where I'm questioning whether this show

1528
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:38.579
is good.

1529
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:43.139
I actually need proof that the next generation is as good as

1530
01:05:43.139 --> 01:05:44.400
everybody remembers it being.

1531
01:05:51.179 --> 01:05:55.500
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1532
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:57.239
choose what we're going to watch next time.

1533
01:05:57.300 --> 01:05:59.760
It's my turn on the Randomiser.

1534
01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:03.300
Could you just please make sure it is an episode with at least one

1535
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.199
brain cell.

1536
01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:04.559
Thank you.

1537
01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:05.099
Okay.

1538
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:09.900
I can't guarantee that because we are going to do Star Trek

1539
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:10.500
Voyager.

1540
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:13.619
If we get threshold.

1541
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:15.239
Oh, the 1st God.

1542
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.739
We have to do it.

1543
01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:17.699
We're gonna get it.

1544
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.659
That's the rule.

1545
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.539
I should add it as a rule if we have a roll threshold.

1546
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:22.260
We have to pick it.

1547
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.239
It was sub-roser for TNG.

1548
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:24.659
Yeah.

1549
01:06:24.659 --> 01:06:26.159
And threshold for...

1550
01:06:26.219 --> 01:06:27.119
I kept saying so, bro.

1551
01:06:27.179 --> 01:06:28.199
I spoke brain for TOS.

1552
01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:29.460
We kind of. we've done that.

1553
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.199
Done well with these shitty episodes, yeah.

1554
01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:37.500
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season seven, episode six

1555
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.400
Inside Man.

1556
01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:42.360
No idea what that is.

1557
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.940
We've done a couple of 7s though, haven't we?

1558
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.019
Yeah, we have a bit.

1559
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:52.260
Inside Man is the one where Deanna Troy and Barclay, Foyle, a

1560
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:55.500
Ferengi plot, and Voyager barely appears.

1561
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:58.260
But it's desperately unfunny.

1562
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:02.519
I remember it being really sort of miserable voyager comedy.

1563
01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:07.800
I love those 2 though, I have to say, and that's Marina when she's

1564
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:08.699
chilled a bit.

1565
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:10.260
She's literally great.

1566
01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:11.460
And they they go outside.

1567
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:12.659
They're filming on a beach.

1568
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:14.219
Wow, that's pretty cool.

1569
01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:15.059
A beach in California.

1570
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:16.380
Awesome.

1571
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.059
All right, let's try again.

1572
01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:25.800
Star Trek Voyager, season four, episode four, Nemesis.

1573
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:28.559
Ooh, it's a Jacose episode.

1574
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.699
It's the one where is with all those kids that speak that weird

1575
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:34.500
language, it's Joe Manosky.

1576
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:39.420
Oh, okay, that's sort of trying to be Dharmok, but not...

1577
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.780
But we've got a week's break ahead of us here.

1578
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.000
No, people don't know this, but I don't want to wait a week to

1579
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:46.139
watch a Chakotay episode.

1580
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:47.039
Spin it.

1581
01:07:47.099 --> 01:07:50.820
We are still putting it out week by week, but we have a week's

1582
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:51.599
break recording.

1583
01:07:51.659 --> 01:07:54.539
Okay, so let me try again.

1584
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:55.920
End game.

1585
01:07:56.579 --> 01:07:58.679
Yeah, we've done that.

1586
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.300
The gift, season four, episode two.

1587
01:08:04.019 --> 01:08:06.179
We could do the game.

1588
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:07.380
We have just done Scorpion.

1589
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.420
I know, but it is so good.

1590
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:10.739
And what if we don't roll it again?

1591
01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:15.300
I'm going to roll again.

1592
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.819
Oh my god, no, we're not doing this.

1593
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:19.560
Unimatrix 0 part two.

1594
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:22.079
Series 7, episode one.

1595
01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:24.060
We're just talking about that one.

1596
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.619
Yeah, we've already done a two-part season finale.

1597
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:32.699
Okay, season two, episode 19, life signs.

1598
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:37.199
That's the one where the doctor and the video have a romance.

1599
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:38.880
Ooh.

1600
01:08:43.619 --> 01:08:47.279
Oh, I don't think we can do this.

1601
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.039
I really want to do it.

1602
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:56.159
It's season six, episode 17 spirit folk.

1603
01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:57.659
Yes.

1604
01:08:57.720 --> 01:08:59.159
Let's do it.

1605
01:08:59.220 --> 01:09:00.659
Oh, no, wait, we can't.

1606
01:09:00.659 --> 01:09:02.279
No, we're just...

1607
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:03.539
Star Trek for weeks.

1608
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.500
Everyone hates Genesis.

1609
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.680
It's got to be... competence.

1610
01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:11.520
Okay, all right.

1611
01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:12.060
One more.

1612
01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:12.600
This is one.

1613
01:09:12.659 --> 01:09:14.220
This is so embarrassing.

1614
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:14.760
All right.

1615
01:09:14.819 --> 01:09:17.819
Alliances series two, episode 14.

1616
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.380
Is that the one with the tribe?

1617
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.520
Yeah.

1618
01:09:20.579 --> 01:09:22.619
I really like that episode.

1619
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:23.340
I do too.

1620
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.020
I think we should do that for sure.

1621
01:09:25.020 --> 01:09:29.819
I think it's sort of the most arc heavy Voyager ever got that

1622
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:30.300
episode.

1623
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:31.920
Yeah, yeah.

1624
01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:35.100
And it's a good arc and it's an interesting backstory for the

1625
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:39.539
Kazon, which I really like. manipulating everything.

1626
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:41.460
Yes, Marj.

1627
01:09:41.460 --> 01:09:42.779
Absolutely.

1628
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:43.680
Let's do it.

1629
01:09:43.739 --> 01:09:44.460
That's brilliant.

1630
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:49.560
And I guess there's a chance to contrast the Kazon from... from

1631
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:50.220
Prodigy.

1632
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:51.239
Yes, exactly.

1633
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.060
Hey let's do it.

1634
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:55.140
All right, you're on.

1635
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.020
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1636
01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:11.039
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1637
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:13.800
com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook

1638
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:14.819
and YouTube channel.

1639
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.359
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1640
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.220
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1641
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:24.420
This episode was recorded on the 20th of June 2023 and released on

1642
01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:25.380
the 30th of June.

1643
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:29.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Alliances.

1644
01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:49.859
What a miserable place to win.

1645
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:51.119
At least we lost.

1646
01:10:51.180 --> 01:10:54.779
No, no, no, but I think...

1647
01:10:54.779 --> 01:10:58.619
Like, I don't have any rants with that one.

1648
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:03.659
I've got a, from some things, but like, and I basically on board

1649
01:11:03.659 --> 01:11:07.079
with Braga just going, oh, fuck it, let's do the one where they

1650
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:08.159
all turn into monsters.

1651
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:10.079
I don't give a shit, like whatever.

1652
01:11:10.140 --> 01:11:13.560
I think I'd not have fun because the commentary was great fun.

1653
01:11:13.619 --> 01:11:14.159
You know?

1654
01:11:14.220 --> 01:11:14.640
Yeah, yeah.

1655
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.920
I was just watching the thing going on.

1656
01:11:16.979 --> 01:11:17.460
Oh, God.

1657
01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:23.520
But I always suppose you could consider a success.

1658
01:11:23.939 --> 01:11:28.500
But I kind of always thought that it was a shame that gays didn't

1659
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:33.180
get more credit for doing a pretty good job of a pretty

1660
01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:35.039
complicated episode on her 1st outing.

1661
01:11:35.100 --> 01:11:37.920
I think it's a shame she didn't direct earlier and do more.

1662
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.979
Yeah, because I'd like to see what she could have done with like a

1663
01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:41.399
drama.

1664
01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:43.979
Because she never does any, again, does she?

1665
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.220
Like LaVar Burton continues to direct.

1666
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.140
Yeah, Frekes are still doing it.

1667
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.239
Renee, Revision Wive, with Brooks.

1668
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:55.140
Yeah, City Alpha Dale, Roxanne Dawson.

1669
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:56.100
Yeah.

1670
01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:57.000
Tim Ruffs.

1671
01:11:57.060 --> 01:12:00.239
Tim Russ directs one of the best episodes of Voyager.

1672
01:12:00.300 --> 01:12:00.840
Oh, does he?

1673
01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:01.319
What one?

1674
01:12:01.380 --> 01:12:04.020
Yeah, he directs...

1675
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:05.399
Yeah, the one with the doctor in the future.

1676
01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:07.079
Where they're all evil.

1677
01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:08.819
A living witness.

1678
01:12:08.819 --> 01:12:09.420
A living witness.

1679
01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:09.840
Yeah.

1680
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:10.800
Far enough.

1681
01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.300
It's the only Tony Drex.

1682
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.079
They get a black man to direct that one too. which is pretty good.