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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week we are back to Star Trek prodigy, which is kind of, I

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don't know, it doesn't seem to get anywhere near as attention as

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the other Star Trek that are on at the moment.

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But I still really love it.

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It's been a while. since they finished that 1st 20 episode season

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and this is the 1st time we've been in the sort of back half of

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those 20 episodes, which aired a bit later than the 1st set.

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What did you think?

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I'm wondering if those sort of keyboard warriors that write for

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memory alpha are a little bit embarrassed by prodigy because as I

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went looking for some trivia around the 2nd half of the season.

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There was very little to be found, just a few scant details about

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uniforms and ships, but no sort of behind the scenes information

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at all.

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No.

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Which is a shame because I think this is really incredibly good

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Star Trek.

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Yeah, I do too.

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I don't just think this is great TV for kids.

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I think this is good Star Trek.

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Like, the episode that we're going to talk about today.

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It's pretty dense.

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There's a lot going on in this episode.

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I think for a young, young child, they'll be going, what the

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hell?

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But there's lots of sort of pretty images and there's some real

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emotion in there as well that you can get involved in.

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But they aren't just gearing this at what preschoolers.

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This is this is a properly a proper arc in this season.

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Yeah, I mean, I always thought that sort of Star Trek.

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Well, like original Star Trek, when I was a kid, I was told that

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original Star Trek would be scary and that it would give me

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nightmares.

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And so I didn't watch it for a long time.

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But that sort of, it's a little bit like Doctor Who, where it's

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the sort of thing that boys 10 to 12 would start watching and then

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it would be their kind of lifelong obsession.

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So original Star Trek, because it's sort of spaceships and aliens

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and it's a bit camp and stuff like that is for kids as well, but

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it doesn't kind of make any concessions to kids particularly, I

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think.

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Whereas this is directed at kids in the sense that the main

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characters are all kids.

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All kind of likeable because of it.

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You know, they had one of that main ensemble, though, I'm not

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behind.

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Yeah, me too.

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But you know, I was I was watching this and I was thinking about

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the next generation, which I think is kind of geared at older

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children and adults and sort of narratively speaking, this is more

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complex than your average TNG episode.

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Yeah, I mean, there is an ongoing story, and it is sort of split

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into 2 halves, but there's a through line here, and this is just

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an episode in what is a continuing ongoing story.

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And so it doesn't talk down to kids.

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And certainly they're sort of casting proper people in it.

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You know, like it's a show that they're putting a lot of effort

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and care into.

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Yeah, well, that's right.

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And we have the medium Robert here guesting in this episode.

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I'm not sure he said March actually.

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No, but he does get to be in it.

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And then 2 of the crew of the Dauntless, one of them is David

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Diggs from Hamilton and he plays the Andorian guy who is on the

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crew.

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He might be Janeway 2nd in command.

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And then there's Jameila Jamil. is the other person that belongs

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to the diviners race, who has been disguised as a trill for the

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1st half of the 2nd half of season one and then has revealed

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herself really to be one of the divinest people.

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Is that Tahani from...

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I recognise her accent.

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I'm like, that clip British accent, where do I know that from?

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I could hear her name dropping, you know, all these fabulous stars

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that she's met in the good place.

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Yep, yep.

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David Diggs probably.

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So it is pretty, you know, like they're proper people in this.

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They're putting effort in.

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Of course, Jason Mansukas, who is one of the regulars, Janken Pog

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was also a semi-regular in the Good Place.

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God, and he gets the best subplot in this one.

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I'm telling you, it's that was the press part of the episode.

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But as well.

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It annoyed me in so far as this reminded me of what voyager could

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have been.

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You had 2 plots taken place, one in the Delta Quadrant, and one in

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the Alpha Quadrant, and they were sort of tied in together.

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And when Voyager sort of got in contact with the alpha quadra in

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their life.

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Well, then we just sort of said hello to them every now and

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again.

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There wasn't really much going on.

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Whereas this is all, as you say, there's 2 narratives in 2

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quadrants taking place side by side, one informing the other.

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And I'm like, yeah, they're redressing some of the mistakes that

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Rick Berman and Branan Braga made back in the days.

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Yeah, so, I mean, what this does is it's long form narrative, which

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they did attempt eventually in the Burman era, obviously, with

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varying degrees of success, but there's there's a commitment here

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to put weird things on screen.

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And, you know, Strange New Worlds does that.

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It's in the name of the show, but this did it first, I think.

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Well, weird and sort of, um, pretty, pretty, I'm just sort of like

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captured by the wonder of what Star Trek could show me.

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Now, you and I talked about in progress recently where that was 2

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people on a terrible set, you know, just chatting away for an hour

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and there's, we're doing none of that, are we?

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None of the spectacle.

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Whereas this is the other extreme, where it's all animated, so

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they kind of got their money to throw some magic at you.

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And there's like a bit in this and we'll get there where um, oh

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good grief, what are the, what's the light man called in the big

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ball?

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zero.

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Z thank you.

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I'm going to be doing that a bit as well.

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When him and all of his people, It's a load of sort of lights

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dancing about.

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It's a fabulous planet.

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And I was like, oh, this is really well Star Trek can show us, you

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know.

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Yeah.

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It's glorious.

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Like, I don't know.

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I just can't see.

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I have not seen a bad episode of Prodigy yet, and I know I've only

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done sort of 3 or four.

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I'm getting the impression that actually it's a pretty consistent

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show in what it's doing.

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Are there doves?

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No, it's hard to tell.

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There's some funny choices and things. and there's some great

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things like the outrageous O'Connor that is in more than one

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episode.

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He's not fucking around like he was in TNG.

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No, no, he's very well behaved.

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She's a lot older.

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Terry Hutchster with him.

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No, no. dumped her almost immediately.

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But it's just solidly fun and it's great kids entertainment.

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And I have always been someone who has watched children's

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television as an adult.

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Like, I'm not put off by the fact that it's directed at children

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at all.

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And I think this is solid, worthwhile stuff that I'd be happy if I

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had kids, which I don't.

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I'd be happy for them to watch it, my imaginary kids.

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Having explored some of, I mean, Marv is basically a child.

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So he loves watching sort of the CBBC channel.

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And so having explore some children's television in the last

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year.

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It kind of goes one or 2 ways.

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There's even a dreadful sort of pantomimic television where

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they're talking down to you and it's just madly over the top

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performances and no subtlety in it.

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Or it's something like the Sarah Jane Adventures or prodigy or

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press gang, as you and I have talked about recently, which is

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quite mature and it's sort of dealing with themes that kids are

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going to start thinking about as they're getting older, you know

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with good production value.

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And this is definitely an example of the latter.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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What do you think?

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Should we go in?

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History.

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Oh, actually, before we go in, you know, can I just say what a

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brilliant idea it was. to not have us have individual episodes for

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all of these backstories, you know, and have them told over half

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an hour and just give us these wonderful snapshots.

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This one, this 25 minutes went by in a lick.

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Yeah.

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If you look, just keep an eye out for the writing credit, like who

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it's by, because it's a massive list.

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It's a Magna Carta is what it is.

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Yeah, and I wonder whether these were sort of based on ideas that

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they had, but had to be cut from the pilot, and, you know, they

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decide, well, we'll concentrate on Gwen and Dowl, and we get

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Dowl's backstory a little bit earlier on in the season.

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But here, like these are underserved characters who didn't get

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time for much of a backstory.

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And that's really fun.

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But we also get the backstory of the proto star, and we get the

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backstory of the diviner and his planet, and we get the backstory

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of, um, is she Ensin Asencia?

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We get the backstory of how Chakotay wound up time travelling as

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well, you know.

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Yeah, I figure there's some mysteries in the series that are

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unexplained that actually this provides some explanations for.

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Yeah, and then next season we go back to the action with Janeway

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knowing who the kids are in charge of the proto star and them

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trying to kind of make contact because the one thing it's made

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clear in this episode, I think, but on board the proto star is a

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thing called the construct and the construct is designed to make

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federation ships fight one another.

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Like it's a big super weapon that turns the federation against

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itself.

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And we see at the beginning of the 2nd half of the season that

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that happens to an outpost.

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It's the outpost that sends that information through to Janeway.

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She's got, you know, on her iPad.

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She's got pictures of all of them and stuff like that.

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It's that that outpost destroys itself because the construct gets

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in touch with it.

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And so they can't contact.

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They, you know, they want to become part of Starfleet.

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They've learned from hologram Janeway and stuff and they they

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arrive and they can't communicate with them.

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And to top that off earlier on this season, Dal has discovered

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that he is genetically engineered.

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And so he won't be able to be in Starfleet either.

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And he's the one, you know, for whom this was a really important

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dream.

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So those are all obviously resolved by the end of the season, but

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they're things that come up in this episode.

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I just thought it was really clever to let us get to know these

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people then later on because this is quite near the end of the 2nd

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series, tell their backstories, but in a way that informs us even

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more about them, you know, and makes sense of how they've sort of

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behaved to this point as well.

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It's just really, really smart writing.

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Yeah, I think so too.

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Alright. let's go in Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Off we go.

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I'm going to be a little bit bedazzled, you know, because I'm not

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usually when we were in 90s trick, you know, I'm not fixed glued

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to the screen waiting for the next exciting visual.

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So last week, I think, or the week before, maybe, you said that

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the Picard theme was your favourite Kurtzman theme.

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Yeah, I think so, yeah.

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This is pretty incredible.

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And so this is Michael Giacchino.

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I think we might have said this before.

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He's the one who did the Star Trek 2009 theme.

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He did the music for that.

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I think it's stunningly great.

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And it's such an inventive title sequence.

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Yeah, as you said for me, it's the only title sequence, which is

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leaning into every character. you know, and doing something

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visually interesting to do with each of the regulars. which is

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great, isn't it?

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And if you want to know if this show is going to be sort of

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gorgeous to look at.

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Well, you just have to watch this title secret, you know?

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beautiful, isn't it?

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I look at this Janeway hologram that made up of all those pixels.

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And all of those like Starfleet L cars panels, you know, like the

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user interface.

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It's very cleverly done.

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I don't want you to tell me anything, but I'm just assuming

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there's going to be some more Janeway in series too, because she's

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fabulous in this.

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Yeah, well, I, you know, we see how it ends, and I haven't heard

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anything about what's happening in series 2, but I hope they do it

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because...

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Maybe it's going to be their, their, um, Star Trek Academy, you

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know, with all of them. see where they end up.

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Look, she's got a cup of coffee and around.

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Yeah, so this is this is real Janeway, who we discovered at the

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end of the season. the mid-season.

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Great streak in her hair.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So she was like it was the middle of the season, the mid-season

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break where we discovered she was after the proto star.

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And this is obviously David Diggs playing the Andorian 2nd in

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command, which is pretty great.

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Or maybe he's the captain.

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How many pips has he got?

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He seems to have three.

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He's got three. come on.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Neva, they did the Tao Shia, Nathan.

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So we're in the neutral zone. like we're in the neutral zone and

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it's a standoff and they can't communicate.

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They can't break the standoff.

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And in fact, next week has the most fantastically thrilling action

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sequence of Janeway and Dal.

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Oh my god, Janeway and Dal swap bodies.

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It's so...

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Oh, they don't do a body swap episode.

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And Kate does the most superb version of Dal.

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It's really great.

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She absolutely nails the character.

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It's so much fun The trouble with just being PG-13 with a man

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turning into a woman.

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You can't do all the obvious gags, can you?

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Well, did we do that?

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We didn't do that in Spock a Mark.

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So they're all attempting to repair the ship.

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I'm assuming something has had just happened.

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Yeah, I can't remember it.

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It's not just the ship, it's the proto-star drive, you know, like

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the big special drive that it has that will let them escape.

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Okay, why is Murph in the shape of a humanoid now?

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Yeah, I don't like this version of Murph quite as much as the

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original one, but fucking this blob that slid all about the

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place.

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So there's a cliffhanger early on where he kind of turns into a

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pupa or something, like he's like this sort of horrible sticky

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thing on the wall.

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He's like a big, and then he emerges from it looking like that.

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And he will eventually become, and I'm not sure whether it's

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happened at this point, the security chief.

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He's going to be their security officer because he's basically

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indestructible and because rock talk is the is the obvious

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choice.

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And because she doesn't want to do it because she's a scientist

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and she hates the idea of fighting. you know so this is what we're

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going into now.

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This is her backstory here.

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So it's basically the premise of this character is she looks like

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a monster.

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So everyone treats her like a monster, but actually she's just a

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little girl who, you know, just wants to do science, did you say?

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Yeah, well, do you remember, it's the episode that we did call

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Time of Mark from the 1st half of the season where she spends a

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long time by herself on the ship studying and learning science.

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And by the end of it, she's basically got a degree, you know?

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Yeah, that's right.

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And so that's what she wants to do.

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And it is this sort of strange, like, I don't quite know what to

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make of this, but she has a very strange gender presentation.

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You know, she's massive and scary looking and all of that, but

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she's really a little girl and she has to deal with being kind of

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misjudged by everyone who sees her.

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Instantly tragic.

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You instantly fall in love with that character for that very

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reason And look, that's the gloop, that gloop that she was eating

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which is the horrible gloop that she was by herself eating earlier

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on in the season.

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And look, he's occasion, a little location, so a cat person just

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like, um, Dr. Tana.

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I like this as well, though, within this situation that she's

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found herself in.

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She's the monster in the arena and the fellas, you know

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vanquishing her.

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But they build a relationship between them, you know, and they

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kind of enjoy it.

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She likes little animals, like having her, having the little cat

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run away from her.

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Like that's horrible for her.

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Do you know what, though?

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You know, must it you in the 1st couple of the 1st episode we

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watched?

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I was getting strong Star Trek vibes.

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Again, here.

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I'm like an arena.

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Star Wars?

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Star Wars Lots of, lots of alien creatures, all in sort of, this

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reminds me of some of the Star Wars movies.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Even his armour reminds me a bit of Star Wars.

359
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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I think it has a very big Star Wars vibe.

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And I think, you know, Star Wars informs live action Star Trek a

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bit, you see it a bit in Picard, I think.

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I don't know why I figure more with the show, though.

364
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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, there is that this is the same kind of animation that you

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get in sort of clone wars and stuff like that.

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Rebels.

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Notice up, among the audience are some Kazon and some Klingons

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together at last.

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The rehabilitation of the Caison is by phone. one of our greatest

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achievements.

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Yeah, yeah, they're really trying to make the Kazon happen and I

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love it.

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I think it sounds good.

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I don't mind the case on in series one or 2 avoid.

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No, I like the fact that actually we had an arc running for 2

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years with them, even though we should have been out of their

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space a long time ago.

379
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Well, that's right.

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Prodigy is determined to make them like the villains of the

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universe, aren't they?

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Well, they're kind of like the prominent, you know, background

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artists. doing dodgy deals.

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Because we're in the delta.

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Yeah, look, look, see, there's 2Ks on a Klingon.

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They're laughing.

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Like, and she tries to do something which is funny rather than

388
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pretending to beat the shit out of this guy and then they don't

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get fed and everything kind of goes wrong.

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And I think this is where she gets given away.

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She gets sent, sent away.

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And this is why we love the fact that she's found her family now

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you know, people that look after her.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, look, so we saw Kazon delivering people, delivering a little

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cation to, um, I don't know if you noticed, you know, the case on

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this have got much better hair than they did on Voyager.

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They had a sort of rocks on their head in Voyager.

399
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Yeah, yeah. decided not to go for that.

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Oh, look at this Murph cuddling up to us.

401
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It's got little murph.

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She really likes Murph. such a funny little toddler.

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He's a horse.

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But like this is this is something that they probably have the

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ability to do in Picard and Discovery, but I still sort of lean

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away from it a bit and that is just to have some really weird

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looking regulars.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's expensive.

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This world looking regulars.

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I love that about this, though.

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A giant rock monster, a big eyeball with a light in size, you

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know?

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Yeah.

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So we're about to get his backstory.

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Yeah, fabulous.

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So he's a Medusan, and they are from the original, the original

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series episode.

419
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Is there in Truth, No Beauty?

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What did they look like in that?

421
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Are you see them in the box that these are about to be captured?

422
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Is it just a lie in a box?

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A lied in that box.

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But the box that they're about to capture him in.

425
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And, um, the character, that's the one which has Diana Muldar in

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it.

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She's in 2 original Star Trek episodes, I think.

428
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But she's in that one. terrific then.

429
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Oh, look at this.

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All the lights are dancing around the quarry.

431
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And we can't hear it, but the music in this scene.

432
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No, it's wonderful. gorgeous.

433
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And I mean, this scene really simply exists to be beautiful.

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Like that's beautiful.

435
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This is the, it's very short.

436
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And that justifies the call.

437
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Just there, just to give me something beautiful to look at.

438
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And there's 0 going into the box before he's prisoner 0?

439
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And there's the case, though.

440
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And so those visors that the Kazon are wearing are the visors that

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the people in the original series episode where, because they've

442
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got an eye for decent, aren't they?

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they love that stuff.

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And this ship, so the Medusans have a ship and you don't see it in

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the original.

446
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This is all memory alpha.

447
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You don't see it in the original, but in the updated special

448
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effects version, that ship also appears as the Medusan ship.

449
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Do you remember we said in in Purgatory Shadow when the Jem'Adar

450
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punched the audience?

451
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Well, they did exactly the same thing there.

452
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It was a POV shot. us.

453
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We went into the thing was being captured.

454
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Yeah, yeah. like that.

455
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Really nice.

456
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Why she there?

457
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She was there, wasn't she?

458
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Was she?

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Because she's the daughter of the diviner, remember, in the 1st

460
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episode she was doing...

461
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Oh, why was she offoul?

462
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Oh, because she was working with the diviner.

463
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So she was she wasn't capturing that she was there when he was

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delivered.

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And there is a thing where she has to cope with the fact that

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people were torturing these people who are now her friends and she

467
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didn't do anything about it because it was her father.

468
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This is her father.

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He's lost his memory.

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He lost his memory.

471
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And this woman here, this is Tahani El Jamel from the Good Place.

472
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Yeah.

473
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Oh, yeah, fabulous.

474
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So in the early...

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Sorry, the way this was told for a series of still images.

476
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Wonderful.

477
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This is how you do backstory.

478
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We've been going on backstory for a long time now.

479
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But it looks really mid-20th century, doesn't it?

480
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Like it looks, it's beautiful.

481
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Well, it's a little stunningly 3D. Yes, exactly.

482
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Primary colours.

484
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It's wonderful.

485
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But like, instead of just having 2 actors and some 11 actors

486
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emoting terribly and telling their tragic backstory.

487
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Yeah, this does it in a far more effective and a pullout from his

488
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eye as well.

489
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Yeah.

490
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It's and it's a little bit complicated to the backstory, isn't

491
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it?

492
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So these 2 are the same age and they were sent out at the same

493
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time, but a sense here only arrived 3 years ago, whereas the

494
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diviner arrived 20 something years ago, um, and has a daughter and

495
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staff.

496
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And so...

497
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Oh, he's got some dialogue.

498
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Is he Is he good in this?

499
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Look, look at the bird guy in the background.

500
00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:32.759
There's a bird person in the background.

501
00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:35.519
He looks like he's from...

502
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.619
Look at this, whatever they are.

503
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.759
Well, these things...

504
00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:40.680
That looks so Star Wars.

505
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:41.160
Come on.

506
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.180
Yeah, yeah.

507
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.339
Dreadlock always looked really Star Wars, I think.

508
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.660
To be sent back in time to destroy Starfleet before they could

509
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:49.740
ever make 1st contact.

510
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.059
Yeah.

511
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:51.779
Yeah.

512
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:53.279
We've done that before, you know.

513
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.720
Yes, but I think this is sort of super interesting because it yeah

514
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:58.140
look at that guy.

515
00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:59.819
It saves his bird friend.

516
00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:01.380
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:07.740
I think we're a bird, because we had other bird people in lower

518
00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:08.579
decks, didn't we?

519
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.160
Oh, I only...

520
00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:12.180
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.519
But no, I think there are bird people canonically, I think.

522
00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:17.099
Can I ask Chakotay sent the pro to star off?

523
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:17.940
Yeah.

524
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.279
He travelled, yes, by itself.

525
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:24.119
And this is why it's abandoned in the 1st episode when they

526
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:28.920
discover it because it goes back in time through the time anomaly

527
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:29.279
thing.

528
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.859
It's complicated, isn't it?

529
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:33.299
Yeah, yeah.

530
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:34.440
But I think they sell it here.

531
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:36.779
And in a sense, it doesn't matter a great deal.

532
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:42.000
What matters is the relationship between these 2 and what it is

533
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:46.440
that the diviner wants to do, like what they're motivated by and

534
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:47.400
why is super important.

535
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.539
I love this bit too.

536
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.259
These ships, like that, look at that.

537
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.819
Look at that ship.

538
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.980
That's so well realised, isn't it?

539
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:56.940
And so odd.

540
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.059
So unlike what we would normally see on Star Trek.

541
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.480
Look, obviously, as we said, this show is kind of geared.

542
00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:06.660
It's primary audience is for children, but there's none of that

543
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:09.599
sort of that'll do approach to the animation, isn't it?

544
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:10.319
Exactly.

545
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:11.759
No, no, exactly.

546
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.059
In fact, it's after you when we did previous episodes, I think

547
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:19.920
this one might be one of the best looking or the best looking Star

548
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:20.759
Trek episodes.

549
00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:21.240
Yeah.

550
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.339
Oh, yeah, sorry. series, yeah.

551
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.299
Maybe maybe it is.

552
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:28.019
I think Strangely Worlds is doing a pretty great job of looking

553
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:28.559
amazing.

554
00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:31.019
I mean, as we go along, they're going to get better and better on

555
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.660
that, of course, of course. special effects improve.

556
00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:36.480
Yeah.

557
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:40.619
So so that's their flashback, you know, like and it's sort of

558
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:40.920
weird.

559
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:44.160
I hadn't really noticed at the time because we get, you know, we

560
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.779
get rock talk's backstory and we get, um, we get Zero's backstory

561
00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:50.759
and we're about to get Pog's backstory.

562
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:52.859
But we get this backstory as well.

563
00:25:53.220 --> 00:26:00.480
And isn't there a scene where Janeway is, was it the 1st scene or

564
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.420
is it later where she's listening to Chopin?

565
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:06.059
and yeah, the 1st scene, yeah.

566
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.799
It's the preludes.

567
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:09.480
I like it.

568
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:10.680
She's listening to it.

569
00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:13.920
When she says, well, they say, come on, Janeway, hologram.

570
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:15.119
What's your backstory?

571
00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:18.900
I was waiting to hear some some dreadful recount of caretaker.

572
00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:22.200
No, but did you hear what she did say?

573
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:23.640
She talked about Molly.

574
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:24.539
The dog.

575
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:26.460
Love me, love my dog.

576
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.180
And it was quite nice as well for the other regulars to get quite

577
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.180
a bit of focus because I'm used to the, is it Dow?

578
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.980
I used to him sort being.

579
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.119
And he's had holiday episodes about his backstory already.

580
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:45.240
Like we met the woman who brought him up and stuff like that.

581
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:47.640
So that's already been a thing.

582
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:51.119
I quite liked as well, not only were they sort of visually very

583
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.519
different all the backstories, but tonally as well.

584
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:56.460
So this next one, it's very funny.

585
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:59.099
And then when it makes a sacrifice at the end.

586
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:00.539
It's really sweet.

587
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.619
It's very poignant.

588
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.740
Yeah, he's great.

589
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.279
It's not a quirk of his species then that they refer to their own

590
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:09.240
name in every centres.

591
00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:12.779
It's explained here that basically he has to keep repeating his

592
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:13.980
name to this bloody robot.

593
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.039
Yeah, that's why he does it.

594
00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:19.440
That's why he does it all the time, which I think is kind of

595
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:19.680
cute.

596
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:21.660
No, it was always only something that he did.

597
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.920
Like he always refers to himself as Janko Pogg, which is kind of

598
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:26.880
hilarious and weird.

599
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:28.500
It's not a particularly tell-rite thing.

600
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.240
We haven't seen that many Tellerites, have we?

601
00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:32.039
We've seen Sam.

602
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.279
They're usually rendered as you say in a very embarrassing way.

603
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:36.000
Shit.

604
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:41.579
Even in Kertzman track, like even in Discovery, series one, I

605
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:43.319
think they're in series one of Discovery.

606
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:44.339
YouTube animation, you know.

607
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:45.779
Yeah they look great.

608
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.559
And of course, this is Jason Mansukas, who is, you know, he's

609
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:50.160
probably...

610
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.019
Such an engaging turn, isn't it?

611
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:55.980
He's so funny.

613
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:57.000
I love him so much.

614
00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:00.720
He's great in Brooklyn 99 and he's brilliant in the good place as

615
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:00.960
well.

616
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.539
I think he's got such a distinctive voice.

617
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.000
Yeah, glorious.

618
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:07.680
But the character is really fun as well.

619
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.579
Yeah.

620
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.400
Doesn't this robot look amazing too?

621
00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:15.059
I mean, we could literally spend this whole episode, doesn't this

622
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:15.539
look amazing?

623
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.640
So it is very Star Wars.

624
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:22.799
Is he like the probe droid on Hoff at the beginning of...

625
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.619
Their inspiration is more wars and trek in this show.

626
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:30.240
I think in the design and I kind of think...

627
00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:32.700
Star Wars does a lot of great stuff.

628
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.259
I think so too.

629
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:38.940
And I think, and it's that sort of old Star Wars kind of thing

630
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:42.119
where everything's a bit run down and everything's a bit sort of

631
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.220
rough and industrial looking.

632
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.180
I mean, this section looks incredible. you know.

633
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.359
There's a whole sequence where it's just one, we've had a sequence

634
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.640
like this with Miles O'Brien, you know, where things kept breaking

635
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.740
down, then he had to go from one thing to another.

636
00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:01.380
But, um, The fact is the toilet and things like that, you know.

637
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:06.660
I'm not repairing the toilet and then he's there with a bloody

638
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:07.200
plunger.

639
00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:08.279
You want to sort it out?

640
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:17.220
So she, so the woman who is playing this robot, I think, is also

641
00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:21.180
the woman who plays the voice of the computer on the proto star

642
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.519
all the time.

643
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:27.180
So and she's not the voice of a computer in the other shows.

644
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.339
It's just so like Jesus Grace.

645
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:30.359
The design of the...

646
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:31.500
Crisis in the Arboretum.

647
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.519
Yeah, they can do all of these designs where, you know, you

648
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.640
couldn't put a fitter person inside. that's what I love about it

649
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:38.880
you know?

650
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.740
Back in back in original trek, every robot was sort of man shaped

651
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:44.039
you know.

652
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:48.240
No, no, what about nomad hanging by a string?

653
00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:52.200
Well, we could see the string where you could see the string.

654
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:53.579
Well, we could do that with this.

655
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.099
We could hang hang this by a string.

656
00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:58.440
That was very funny, you know, if they put a visible string on

657
00:29:58.440 --> 00:29:59.039
them.

658
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.339
They would.

659
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.920
That's just the sort of thing they would.

660
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.680
The way he's like, well, there's not enough oxygen for everybody.

661
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:10.559
Yeah, just let me go.

662
00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:11.940
Yeah, bless him.

663
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:16.799
And I like it when they take comedy characters and give them

664
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.220
moments of unexpected depth like this.

665
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.099
They do it with Quark every now and again in DS9 as well.

666
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.160
And it always hits because they're usually funny.

667
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:29.160
Oh, blessedly.

668
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:30.960
He thinks he's going to have a lie down now.

669
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:32.940
Yeah, that's right.

670
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.940
I actually thought that he'd somehow got too fat to fit in the

671
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:37.740
sleeper tube, but that's not what's happening.

672
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.119
Oh, yeah.

673
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:44.160
So they're all about to run out of oxygen.

674
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:46.500
Look how expressive that robot is.

675
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.400
It's so good.

676
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.700
Oh, look.

677
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.940
Little pog with his tiny beady eyes.

678
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:58.079
Whilst there's a lot going on in this episode.

679
00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:02.460
I don't think it's I don't think a child couldn't watch this

680
00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:05.460
because the emotion is always delivered in quite a simple way, you

681
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:05.759
know?

682
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:06.960
Yeah, yeah.

683
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:09.420
Oh yeah, I think it's super straightforward.

684
00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:13.559
And it is, you know, we had that one scene, that one rather

685
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.819
exposition heavy scene, which managed to be visually spectacular.

686
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.299
And if you didn't get it all, it was pretty clear what everyone's

687
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:23.640
feeling about things was at the end of it.

688
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.759
That was the best joke and the whole thing where he's done all

689
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.259
that repair work.

690
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.400
She goes, state your name.

691
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.339
He comes out, why do I bother?

692
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.259
She's waving goodbye to him though. through the winter. so happy.

693
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:38.579
Junken Punk fixed it.

694
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.140
You get to sleep, yeah.

695
00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:41.400
Now, you get to sleep.

696
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.339
That robot boxy. boxy, yeah.

697
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.779
So here he is being picked up.

698
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:49.440
Yeah.

699
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:53.819
See, he's a proper grease monkey. our true, you know, lower deck

700
00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:54.299
hero.

701
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.579
He's a proper engineer, isn't he?

702
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:57.059
Bless him.

703
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:58.079
He's very sweet.

704
00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:01.619
You'll never know your noble act.

705
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:03.059
Yeah.

706
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.359
Oh, they, yeah, they give him a hug.

707
00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:08.579
Oh, that's adorable, isn't it?

708
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:09.720
That is so sweet.

709
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:16.500
I guess we all have a past and together a brighter future.

710
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.180
See, it's delivered very simply.

711
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:22.559
Yeah, it's that's kind of cheesy, but that's absolutely right.

712
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:29.640
Oh, Murph. crawls up to Murph who wants to hear his story and he

713
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.799
gives a big burp because he's a 2 year old.

714
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:39.240
I mean, look at this lift going down into the pro style.

715
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.839
Yeah, well, we talked about that, just the fact that the spaces in

716
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.339
the proto star are so massive.

717
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.019
It could at least Judda be a larger lift coming up into a list in

718
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:49.799
all...

719
00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:54.720
Like we still have sliders in the future.

720
00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.359
That's pretty awesome See, that looks amazing, doesn't it?

721
00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:58.200
So beautiful.

722
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.259
And so our jolly team.

723
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:02.579
Where are they off to now then?

724
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.339
I don't know, actually.

725
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.099
I think they're just heading off, but they need to escape the

726
00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:10.920
dauntless because they're just staring at one another across the

727
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:11.700
neutral zone.

728
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.700
And the dauntless is much bigger than the proto star, I think.

729
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.200
Oh yeah, here we go.

730
00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:17.759
He is Molly, the big dog.

731
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:22.079
Do you recall how last week we watched Star Trek Enterprise?

732
00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:23.940
Yeah, yeah.

733
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.920
I don't want to hang out with none of those people.

734
00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:28.859
I'd be very happy to hang out with these people every day of the

735
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.039
week.

736
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:31.200
Yeah, I'd hang out with Troop.

737
00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:33.299
Only because he's pretty.

738
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:35.160
He really is pretty.

739
00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:37.380
But this crew.

740
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:40.140
I think that's half your battle.

741
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.339
It's the regulars because you, you're going to have off plot

742
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:45.299
episodes, aren't you?

743
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.680
But if the characters are great.

744
00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:47.519
I've been there.

745
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:48.599
I said it about DS 9.

746
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.500
The characters are great.

747
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.700
Then you're just happy to go along with it.

748
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:52.380
Yeah.

749
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:53.940
Yeah, so okay.

750
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.880
She's noticed that Gwen looks like the diviner and she met them

751
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:03.900
before on the planet with the outrageous O'Connor.

752
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.420
So that's the thing that's already happened.

753
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:11.760
That's just the joy of cherry picking the worst, the caisson, the

754
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:12.840
outrageous.

755
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:16.320
Well, the outrageous O'Connor has also been on lower decks and he

756
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.579
was...

757
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:18.480
Is he still outrageous?

758
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:24.599
No, but someone says the word outrageous, like it's O'Connor is

759
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.460
DJing and someone says that's outrageous.

760
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.719
I love the fact as well.

761
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:31.079
You can still chop someone very gently and they fall unconscious.

762
00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:32.280
Exactly.

763
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.639
Well, Jay, what happens then?

764
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:42.059
So next week, I think, is where they actually communicate with

765
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:44.579
each other for the 1st time, I think.

766
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.360
I've seen a lot of genre TV.

767
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.980
And I've seen a lot of series do these episodes with these sort of

768
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:56.519
little vignettes and clip shows and things like that.

769
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.280
And you might think that this is a skippable episode because it is

770
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.039
just telling little short stories with the backstory.

771
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:06.659
But like you said, it's telling backstories of the main plot of

772
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:07.800
this series as well.

773
00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:10.619
So it's absolutely essential that you watch this episode.

774
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.059
Well, that's right.

775
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.239
You don't understand what's going on with Asencia and the diviner

776
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:16.440
without this episode.

777
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:21.300
So it is important sort of exposition, but it's done in an episode

778
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:25.860
that's all about everyone sort of thinking about their past.

779
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.420
And it's not a hugely sort of strong story. like they just learn

780
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.960
oh, you know, we all had a past, you know, there's no real kind of

781
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.239
incredible discovery or anything.

782
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:41.159
And the vineyards only work in the context of the characters as

783
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.780
they're established.

784
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.760
But they work really well.

785
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:45.539
They're really cute.

786
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.219
And Jacobs one is lovely.

787
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.940
Oh, lovely to say to this writing stuff as well.

788
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.900
Like, okay, everyone take one character and write a story around

789
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:55.139
them.

790
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:56.699
It's just lovely.

791
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.300
And but the thing that I think this show gets right more than

792
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:02.340
anything, and I think it's got is regulars right.

793
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.440
It's certainly getting its visuals right.

794
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:09.000
And in terms of like, I mean, you said to me, the overall story is

795
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:09.780
really interesting.

796
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.880
I've only seen glimpses.

797
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:14.039
But the thing it really gets right is the emotion.

798
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:15.179
Yeah.

799
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.360
And, you know, you care about those people and you care about what

800
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.280
they're going through and you feel for them.

801
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:23.940
And for me, that's sort of like my biggest in, you know?

802
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:29.519
Like, spoilers, but it ends beautifully, the 1st season just ends

803
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.920
absolutely perfectly, and I was so happy, you know, that they

804
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.000
stuck the landing, and I'm really looking forward to hearing news

805
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:39.780
of series 2.

806
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:49.619
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work

807
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:54.900
out what we're going to be doing next, and it's Joe's turn on the

808
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:55.260
button.

809
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.119
So tell us what series we're going to be watching.

810
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:02.340
Well, 2 of the 3 episodes that we have watched recently have been

811
00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:03.659
Kurtzman Trek.

812
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.760
So I feel as if we've had too much visual interest.

813
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:10.619
So now we're going to head back into a period of where... the

814
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:11.880
dullest looking stuff.

815
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:14.099
The direction and the visuals are...

816
00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:16.019
Also, a little primitive.

817
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:23.219
But I'm going to a specific series in 90s trek because I feel as

818
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:27.239
if we've watched some pretty dreary TNGs lately.

819
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:32.639
We've complained about generations, we've complained about the

820
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.159
masterpiece society, although you like that woman in it.

821
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:39.000
Um, yeah, even like power play, justice.

822
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:39.420
I know.

823
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:40.619
I mean, we have not...

824
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:43.679
But there is some really strong TNG and I feel as if we should

825
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.579
explore some of it.

826
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.880
So let's hope that the randomiser is feeling kind.

827
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:50.400
Okay, fingers crossed.

828
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:52.920
It is not feeling kind.

829
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:58.260
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode, is season one

830
00:37:58.260 --> 00:38:00.719
episode 21, the Arsenal of Freedom.

831
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:02.639
Oh, my God.

832
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:03.780
Yeah.

833
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.000
Got John Lovett's in it.

834
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.360
Oh, Jesus Christ, this might be even worse.

835
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:12.840
Your random Star Trek next generation episode is Galaxy's child.

836
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.300
Season four, episode 16.

837
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:16.980
That's the Leah Brahms episode.

838
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.719
Yeah, yeah.

839
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:19.800
It's awful.

840
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:21.119
Geordie Romance stories.

841
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.320
Oh, really?

842
00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:23.280
Yeah, that's embarrassing.

843
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.179
Affective.

844
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.800
It's the 2nd one, isn't it?

845
00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:28.079
Is the booby traps, the 1st one?

846
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:32.880
And Ghost is where I'm still using the hologram and then the real

847
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.760
one walks in and walks in while he's having sex with her.

848
00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:37.199
No, that's not happening.

849
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:40.679
Let's see what else we've got here.

850
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:41.820
Whole season, ah.

851
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.579
Season six, episode 22 suspicions.

852
00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:50.039
Do you think the random I've got something against the next

853
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:50.639
generation?

854
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:52.139
Oh my god.

855
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.699
I pressed it again, listen to this.

856
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.260
Season 6, episode 13.

857
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.159
Aquiel.

858
00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:58.800
Yeah, that's super boring, isn't it?

859
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.420
Come on now.

860
00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:02.519
Oh my god.

861
00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:04.500
Oh, you're going to do this.

862
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.760
It's so terrible.

863
00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:06.659
You love it.

864
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.159
I hate it Oh, come on.

865
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.599
Oh, come on, tell me, tell me, tell me.

866
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:11.639
Season seven, episode 19.

867
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.079
Genesis.

868
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.760
Oh, yeah.

869
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.840
It's so great.

870
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.760
It's so good.

871
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.019
Without a break.

872
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.539
The only episode directed by Gates McFadden.

873
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:25.019
Yeah.

874
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:25.559
Oh, God.

875
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.760
Yeah, she nails it.

876
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:28.199
She's so good.

877
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:29.639
Yeah. pretty sure.

878
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:32.579
Or maybe I'm not sure I can go past that one.

879
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.920
No, I don't think you can.

880
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:35.699
I think we have to do.

881
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.019
I wanted a good episode.

882
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.539
Well, it's good in subway.

883
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:46.320
I mean, and you had like a subgenre of like Star Trek schlock.

884
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:47.579
This is number one.

885
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:49.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

886
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.659
It's it's ridiculous.

887
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.400
It's beyond ridiculous.

888
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.059
You think I'll be all over this shit because I love B movies.

889
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

890
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:03.239
No, I think it's it does have things going for it, but it is just

891
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:03.960
ridiculous.

892
00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:05.579
Yeah, let's do it.

893
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.019
Spider Barkley.

894
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:08.340
It's got Spider Barkley.

895
00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:09.539
That's Pip and Troy.

896
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.199
Oh my god.

897
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:12.599
Sex with Worf, you know.

898
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:15.599
I think he goes to it and does something terrible to it.

899
00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:16.739
Yeah, bites her.

900
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.699
Oh, it's awful.

901
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.360
And you get some ensign at the console with all of their chest

902
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:21.900
ripped out.

903
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.639
Yeah, cool.

904
00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:25.860
It's like proper, proper horror.

905
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

906
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.800
Okay, all right.

907
00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:32.280
Although, I reserve judgement on whether it's good or not, okay?

908
00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:33.119
it's not.

909
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:27.300
Oh, such a good show.

910
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.980
It's really cute.

911
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.940
I really, the sad thing about these cuts when shows that I really

912
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:35.519
really like, is there's not enough of them for us to go back to

913
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:36.179
them very often.

914
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

915
00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:40.139
It's like a 90s trick, which we love.

916
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.099
It just means 1st love. funny you should say that.

917
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.739
Oh, let's do 90s track.

918
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.400
Oh, no, we did.

919
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.719
No, we did do Enterprise last week.

920
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:54.360
I don't say we did Picard last week, but no, we did Enterprise

921
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:54.780
last week.

922
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:55.920
Yeah.

923
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:57.239
Okay, hang on.

924
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:58.559
I'm going to the randomiser.

925
00:41:58.619 --> 00:42:02.400
I think you need to do Star Trek the Next Generation, don't you?

926
00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:07.019
So that we can have a 2nd series that goes on to a 2nd page on the

927
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:07.260
website?

928
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.599
But also, as well, is, I want to watch a good episode.

929
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:13.559
That's not true.

930
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.420
Because we watch some shitty ones.

931
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.900
Bad average is not strong.

932
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.019
No, but that's the trouble with Star Trek, the next generation.

933
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.039
It's really good towards the end, but there's fucking 50 episodes

934
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.340
of just shit at the beginning, you know.

935
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.260
I don't know, season 7 as well.

936
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.900
Three of 4 seasons, three of seven.

937
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:39.900
Yeah, 7 is 7's competent. but not very interesting.

938
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:42.000
I'd rather watch one than seven.

939
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:45.179
Because one is so embarrassingly terrible.

940
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:46.679
Hilarious to watch the show.

941
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:48.539
Well let's see what we get.

942
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:49.980
Okay.

943
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:52.500
That's your turn.

944
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.659
But you have to try it.

945
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.139
I'm ready.

946
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.699
Oh, okay, you're ready.

947
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:57.239
Okay, right.

948
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.719
All right, it's the end of the episode.