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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Perhaps you'd like to tell the listener what it is we're doing

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today.

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Well, today, Nathan, we will not be watching Star Trek at all, but

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we're heading into sports.

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We're going to watch a baseball game.

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We're both hugely into sport, obviously.

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Oh man.

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My dad tried very hard when I was younger.

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It's the biggest failure of his life that not one of them stuck

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definitely not baseball.

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So this is baseball, which is the one with the sticks.

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And what episode of what show are we watching?

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We are watching Deep Space 9, season seven, episode four.

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Take me out to the holosuite.

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And I'm going to say just off the top of my head because I'm

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encyclopaedic when it comes to this sort of stuff.

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This is written by Ronald D. Moore and directed by Chip Chalmers.

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Chip Chalmers, who only directed 2 episodes of Star Trek, both of

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them DS9.

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Both of them comedies.

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Really?

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What's the other one?

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It's another fantastic episode.

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Magnificent Ferengi from season six.

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You know, it's really funny because when I saw his name on the

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opening credits, I thought, I'm very familiar with that name, I

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wonder where I know it from.

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It's kind of like, well, no, I've clearly just made that up.

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You know, it's been one of those directions that kind of bounces

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around different shows.

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Maybe did a lot of X-Files or something.

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He has a particularly light touch and it's very apparent in both

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of these 2 episodes.

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Unusual for DS9, I would say.

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And so this comes at a point in Deep Say 9, which is, you know

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where things have been a bit overwrought for a while.

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So we just have the death of a like a regular cast, not a regular

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cast member, a regular, you know, one of the regular characters at

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the end of the previous year and then the fallout from that.

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And there's other stuff going on.

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Well, yeah, obviously, Wharf dealing with that, and Cisco, he

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heads to Earth.

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He's found out about his mother being part profit.

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Ezri's joined the crew and she's very confused.

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Like, there's been, you know, Garak's just had a nervous

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breakdown.

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It's been very, very heavy and interesting.

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I was reading this week that I, this was originally supposed to

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take place at the tail end of season six.

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That's where it was originally placed.

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I think the the like the penultimate episode of the season

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completely the wrong tone for the tail end of season six, which is

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like the episode that's there is the sound of her voice.

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Do you remember that one?

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Lisa Kusack.

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It's beautiful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I do remember that.

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And it's all very, how is how is everybody dealing with the war

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which is, you know, good place for that before Tears of the

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Prophets hits.

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They'd have done a comedy about baseball.

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It would have felt tonally a bit jarring, I think.

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So this is kind of like one of a couple of episodes this season

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which are almost like kind of hangout episodes.

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You know, like this, the fun to be had here and then sort of later

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on in the season with better being better bang, is that we're

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hanging out with these characters that we've got to know for a

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long period of time and it's fun and they're relaxed and kind of

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comfortable.

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And, you know, it doesn't matter that there aren't massive space

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things.

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I think maybe maybe more than any other Star Trek series, do you

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say 9, can do an episode, which isn't centred on sort of space

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things.

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I mean, this is our 2nd DS9 episode and there's been no anomalies

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hasn't it?

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No possession.

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No space battles.

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And weirdly enough, a show that was considered to be quite dark.

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They've both been comedies that we've watched.

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I think DS9 is a lot lighter than people suggest.

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I do very quickly want to talk about Babylon 5 before we go in.

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No, I don't know what that is.

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Oh well, let me educate you.

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So it's a show which a lot of people would say DS9 in its early

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years looked over its shoulder, saw what Babylon 5 was doing

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copied it, and I think most people would agree in its latter

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seasons, perhaps best in it.

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Yeah, certainly in terms of production value and acting.

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Perhaps they're so in terms of writing.

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I'm not too sure.

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But the thing I love about DS9 and the thing I don't like about

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Babylon 5 is DS9 will do crazy episodes about a baseball game and

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you know, like a heist and a James Bond episode.

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It has some diversity to it.

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It has shades of light and dark.

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And it makes it a much more unpredictable.

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I never quite know what I'm going to get with DS Knighton from one

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week to next.

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And I said to you that this season.

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You know, you've had the massive opening 2 parter, then a very

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quiet episode about Isari and Garag, then a comedy about baseball

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that's followed up by Chrysalis, which is like this very sweet

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romance story with like a musical number in the middle of it, which

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is followed up with Treasury Faith in the Great River, which is

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this treatise on like religious and being considered a religious

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figure against your will, with suicide at the end and things like

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that.

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And Babylon 5, you absolutely know what you're going to get from

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week to week.

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It has a, it's like very like Battlestar Galactic.

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It has a tone to it.

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It has running storylines.

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That's the show.

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I think a massive strength of DS9 is that it can pause for 45

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minutes and play baseball.

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Yeah, and I think, you know, like, I think probably the fact that

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it comes from the tradition of sort of the original series in the

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next generation, which are at times kind of camp and at times kind

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of silly in a way that very serious fans might find embarrassing

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kind of gives it license, you know, the world of Star Trek is not

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as serious as the world of Babylon 5 or as serious as the world of

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Battlestar Galactica.

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And, you know, Deep Space Nine has shown that they can have proper

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stakes and do important things and make us care about stuff and

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make us care about sort of galactic geopolitics and all sorts of

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things.

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But we never kind of forget that there's a sort of fundamental

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ridiculousness to it.

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And that the characters are fun.

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Like, at the end of season five, you've got call to arms, which is

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this incredible dramatic where they lose the station, massive

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space battles, the most brilliant villains you're ever going to

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see on TV.

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I've got a sneaky feeling that you prefer in the cards, which is

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the penultimate episode, and it's a very gentle character comedy

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about Jake and Nog trying to find a baseball card for his father.

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I think that's a beautiful episode, though.

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And it has profound things to say as well.

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Like about narrative...

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Yeah. and be both.

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And I really, really love that.

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And the other thing I want to talk about before we go in is

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baseball itself because I think a lot of people would probably

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consider this episode to be pretty frivolous.

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Like, you know, you're in the middle of a war arc and you're off

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playing baseball.

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But baseball has been one of the founding building blocks of this

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show, from emissary going on.

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It's, you know, massively important thing to Cisco.

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It's the thing that allowed him to explain the concept of time in

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emissary.

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It's the thing that brought him and Cassidy Yates together.

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Her brother's team is called the Pike City Pioneers.

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And they go off to listen to an audio recording. of that in her

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bedroom.

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Yeah.

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It's the thing that brings him and Kira close together when he

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realises that she just sees him as a riddish icon.

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He takes her to a baseball match and that's how they break down

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that barrier.

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It's the thing that he leaves the baseball for Dukat at the end of

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call to arms to let him know he's coming back and then Dukat gives

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him the baseball back when he reclaims the station.

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Like it's really important to this show.

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And Interestingly, Ira Bear says that Michael Piller, in an

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episode, Michael Piller is the biggest baseball fan in the world

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and he brought baseball to DS9.

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In the next generation, he wiped baseball from existence.

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I know what episode it is.

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He creatively chose to make it a thing of the past.

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It doesn't exist anymore.

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It's not important anymore.

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And this episode is basically a massive love letter to Michael

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Pillar.

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And I think that's glorious as well. have to look that up.

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I, that sounds, that does sound credible that they were talking

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about baseball is a thing that never happens.

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But what it does, I think, is it takes the edge off because

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sometimes when we observed this in our enterprise episode, that

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the sports stuff was kind of blokey and almost intentionally a way

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of excluding people.

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You know, the... softball?

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No, it was water polo, for God's sake.

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And so making this a niche interest because it's a sport that's

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obsolete.

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And it's worth remembering too, that baseball is something that is

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also massively beloved by stats nerds.

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And like, we'll see the way that the scoreboard, like neither of

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our countries have baseball as a thing, right?

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So, you know, any Americans listening to this can point and laugh

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if they like.

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But that little grid of numbers, which tells the story of how the

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game's been playing, which is presented on screen as if we are

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going to understand how the game's going.

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Like they used to publish that grid of numbers as the results of a

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game and like people can tell how the game went.

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And so and baseball is all a game of stats and nerdy and stuff.

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And so it's not a 1000000 miles away from, you know, writing

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memory alpha articles or having a Star Trek podcast.

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One of the best jokes in an episode that's full of great jokes is

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the sequence where they're having to learn a whole new wave of

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techna babble.

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It's basically, you know, sports technobab, and they're all going

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oh, God, what's a bunt?

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What's those fancy Dan?

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You know, like, I think it's brilliant.

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Shall we crack out and watch it?

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Probably.

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But, you know, it's interesting, isn't it?

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It is interesting that an episode this potentially sly.

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Actually, there's probably quite a fair bit of substance to talk

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about.

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Yeah, I think it's about something really properly solid too.

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There's a proper character arc in it, which I think is really

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good.

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And as you said to me, the most lower deck style explanation as to

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why this rivalry started in the 1st place.

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It's so good.

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But we'll get there. as you keep saying.

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All right.

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So I am on the 1st frame.

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I'm paused with my finger hovering over the play button and I'll

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count us in five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I'm going to be a big nerd here because this is a nebula class

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ship.

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And I think they're as cute as hell.

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So that's the...

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How do you know that's a nebula class ship?

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I am a bit of a Star Trek nerd.

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I have a podcast, you know.

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Do you have, do you have like the technical manual?

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No, but I do know what Nambula class ships?

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It's like, and it's the Tacumbra.

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So it's, you know, crude by Vulcans like the Intrepidies in an

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original series.

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But I just thought the nebula class ships, and we'll see it again

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later.

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It's cute as hell.

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You know in that, I don't know if I've ever fancied you more than

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I do at the 2nd joke.

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Okay, so this reminds me of a scene between Cisco and Kai Wynn.

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The immediate hostility between them is wonderful.

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This, he is like immediately a massive prick.

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So this is Captain Sokol.

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Soloc.

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See, I do anagrams.

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Captain Solo.

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Captain Space Name.

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Yeah, Captain Space name.

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And, um, you know, he's kind of doing this sort of dick measuring

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contest in this sort of, oh, I've got 2 Christopher Pike medals

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medals of valour.

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You know.

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I'm just reminded here of how far Avery Brooks has come as Cisco

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and it's, you remember in those 1st seasons where he's really

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quite muted in a lot of ways.

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And we talked, you know, the last time we watched Way the Warrior

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together, we talked about, we talked about how different he is

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immediately.

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You know, when you sort of, you know, as gay men come out of the

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closet, I mean, he exploded out because in Way of the Warrior

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didn't he?

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He's so much sexier and so much more dangerous and it's almost

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like he was muting his performance so that as the sort of 1st

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black lead of a Star Trek program, he wasn't going to scare anyone

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at home.

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I think they wanted him to do that.

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I think they wanted him a little muted.

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And, you know, it got to a point where he was like, Raba said, no

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we're shaving his hair off.

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He's cutting loose, like enough now.

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And you've got Avery Brooks.

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Why do you not do that?

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you know and he's so charismatic.

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He's so, so great.

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He's beautiful.

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He's beautiful, isn't he?

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And I love it.

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When he gets angry.

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Well, the way he's playing this scene, just the way he's

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underplaying it, he's clearly furious.

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But there's just a little bit of tightness of the jaw.

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He's absolutely refusing to give anything away.

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He has to be a professional.

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Because, you know, he also can't let himself look rattled in front

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of Soloc.

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You know he can't do that because that was the problem before.

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Yeah, look at that.

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But his 1st line is him going, have a seat.

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And so this scene here, right, this is the wardroom, which is, you

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know, the observation lounge of Deep Space 9.

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We're here to talk about a serious space issue.

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You know, we're all sat around the table.

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We're all the senior staff, you know, he's giving a problem, you

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know, some...

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The latest report of the Dominion War.

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No, no, no.

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We're going to play a game of baseball.

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Yeah, and it's this inspirational speech.

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And I do love the fact that that 1st scene ends before Solok says

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that it's baseball, like he doesn't say what the game is.

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Cisco asks.

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Did you hear that?

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He's like, we will destroy them.

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The day they realised, and it took them a while that Michael Dawn

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could deliver comic lines, like in TNG and DS9, man, that's when

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that character started flying.

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Sir, I am not a merry man.

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Yeah, they discovered in, in, and, and I think it's the minute

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that they're, that they're comfortable making fun of the Klingons

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as well, you know, like making them funny.

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He gets the best line in this.

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Find him and kill him.

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Yeah, yeah, it's so good.

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So I always say that the final shot or the final moment of the

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teaser has to tell you what the episode's going to be about.

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And here, it's the shot of the base.

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Yeah, it's the baseball on the table, right?

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There's no ambiguity there, isn't there?

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No, this is a show of our baseball.

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Have a look at what the final shot of the episode is later on

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people at home because gorgeous.

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Oh my word.

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Yep.

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It's almost like they've designed DS9. to be like a baseball.

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Okay, so we're in we're in the new the new music now. last time

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when we watched the House of War.

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It was the old slower version.

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This is the more up-tempo one with the fabulous shot of the man

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repairing the upper pylon floating through space, which I

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remember.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And there's a pack led ship docked there.

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Is that a pack led ship?

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I'm gonna say it is.

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They've just tried to make it look a bit busier, haven't they?

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There's a few more ships around.

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Yeah, yeah, look, here's the guys welding the thing and a guy

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pushing a thing.

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Oh, and the defiant replaces a runabout, obviously, from the, yeah

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I was thinking about that today. so much.

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Yeah, well, this thing where the defiant flies over the model

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looks really good.

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I mean, you know, it's still stately and stuff, and I'm still

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inclined to like the original version of the music a little bit

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better because it's a little bit more melancholic, a little bit

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more allergic.

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Um, but I don't dislike this version.

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Yeah.

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Going back to Avery Brooks very quickly.

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Yeah.

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One of the, one of the most glorious thing, of many glorious

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things about Penny Johnson, who is absolutely the MVP of this

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episode.

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Um, is that she fancies the art of Avery Brooks and she's not

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afraid to say it.

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So in interviews, she goes, oh, you know, they paired me out with

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this incredibly sexy.

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I got to touch his head and kiss him.

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She goes when, and she goes, my husband used to get very jealous

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because when I was looking in his eyes, there was no acting

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involved at all.

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So what's brilliant about this pair of scenes, right?

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Here we have 3 aliens discussing the rules of baseball and it may

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hear it clear how ridiculous and complicated they are.

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Like just...

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It'll be you and me.

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Well, that's it.

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And so it's a woman and you've got 2 people with like huge amounts

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of latex on their head and they're kind of discussing this weird

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ass earth thing.

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And then we have this great, great cart from this scene, which she

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says what's a bunt.

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And then Julian in the next scene answers the question.

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But here we don't have 3 aliens.

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We've got we've got Ansri, who is a young woman. you know, um, and

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a trill, and then we get 2 people from, uh, you know, an Irish

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person and an English person.

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So non-Americans, you know, people from countries that don't have

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baseball.

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And, you know, like America famously has the World Series baseball

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but basically it's them and Japan playing it and no one else gives

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a shit.

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Maybe, does South Korea play baseball, probably.

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But it's not something that any of us are interested.

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And it just looks super weird.

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The only kind of American non-alien characters.

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It's just Cisco and Jake, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And they're the 2 that understand baseball.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Do you know what?

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We said before about, um, I said to sue in, uh, in our Messenger

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chat about, you know, hanging out with characters that you love.

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I don't give a shit about baseball.

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I don't care.

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I love these characters.

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I don't want to see them having fun and just the energy already.

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And you said that, the transition from one scene to another.

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It's effortlessly done, you know, and this episode flows with that

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kind of energy throughout.

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Oh, it's ramen litre.

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Oh, Lita is so great.

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She is so good in this as well.

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Like her confident declaration that you don't kick the ball in

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baseball, you idiot.

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And then she has to go to Air Street.

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Do you don't do you?

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And the 2 of them are quite cute.

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You know, like they're quite cute together.

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Chase Masterson has become something of an ambassador for the

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show.

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She does a lot of conventions.

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And, you know, obviously she's not like the most vivid Star Trek

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character there ever was.

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I think she's a charismatic and engaging character, though.

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I just think that's great, that she's kind of taken the bat and

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then said, no, this is a fantastic show I worked on and she's, yeah

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really proud to advertise that.

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Oh, do you know what's really refreshing?

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is we're going outside.

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So much of DS9 is set inside space rooms.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In fact, it's really properly enjoyable, but I did spend a lot of

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time thinking about how all of the actors in latex heads must be

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so incredibly comfortable.

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And so this is the 1st time that Rome gets seen.

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You know how the Ferengi have, like, from their very 1st

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introduction, they have that thing on the back of their head and

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it's clearly there to save the makeup artist's time so they don't

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have to blend the back of the prosthetic into the back of the neck

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and they can afford to do it with Quark, but they can't afford to

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do it with anyone else.

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But here...

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Time to turn the back of their heads into a massive arse.

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Because that's what it looks like.

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But, you know, like it covers the join between the prosthetic and

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the back of the neck.

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And so, but Rom here is seen without his for the 1st time

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apparently.

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What's just so refreshing is we're out in the sunshine, everyone's

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relaxed.

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Like this is about as far from what people consider DS 9 to B as

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you can get.

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Yeah.

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And this is the captain giving the crew like an inspiring speech.

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And the way that Avery Brooks does this with that sort of tenor

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voice and just the incredible kind of oratorical sort of skill.

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Like he's so animated and so passionate and so good.

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Like he's really, really properly good. really sexy as well.

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I know, I will keep saying that because...

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No, I'm with you.

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But you know what?

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I mean, I'm gonna say this as well.

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So's Jake.

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Like, Jake's matured into a very handsome, he is young man, you

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know?

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Yeah, he's so tall.

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He's such a bean pole.

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It's so funny.

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And we've talked about this before off the podcast that clearly

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they cast Aaron Eisenberg because he's a short man.

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And then you've got Jake who's a little kid.

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And so they both act, you know, like read the same age in the

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early seasons.

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And then Jake shoots up to the point where it's impossible to have

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the 2 of them in the same shot and they play that for comic effect

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I think.

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You see them throwing this ball back and forth.

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Oh, my God.

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This is literally me throwing ball.

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I can just see my dad with his head in his hands like, oh, God.

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What have I birthed, you know?

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I want to very quickly talk about Ezri.

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Yeah.

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Because this is Nicole DeBoa's 3rd episode.

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And I don't think there's any sign that this is her 3rd episode.

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Like she's gailed into this cast already.

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Seamlessly.

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And that's that was a tough ask because Jazir was a beloved

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character.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She, I think she's really good in this and I think she is very

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charming and she's quite different from Jazeer.

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I was a little bit worried at the original, you know, originally

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they're casting another white woman who's a brunette and stuff and

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like, you know, whatever, but she's physically sort of different

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and she has a very different kind of energy, I think.

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And she's got the most adorable lisp.

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It's adorable.

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They would have cast a bloke to follow Jessia.

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But boy that would have been brave.

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It would have, but the thing is, I think that then you lose a

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regular female cast member.

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What's interesting as we head into it later into the season.

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She develops a fantastic chemistry with Michael Dawn. especially

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in the last arc where they have all their sitcom, you know, they

503
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:22.259
have wonderful scenes and we're like, you know, he's like

504
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:24.839
considering how many men you have stuck with, that is quite a

505
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.200
statement.

506
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:29.039
She's like, yes, I've slept with every single person on Deep Space

507
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.500
now, you know, like, oh, man, they're just brilliant together.

508
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.859
But very different from Michael Dorn and Terry Farrell, which was

509
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:35.759
just sort of kind of sexy.

510
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:40.200
So this is absolutely brilliant, this scene.

511
00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:46.259
And it's the beginning of, I think, the kind of degeneration of

512
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:47.339
Cisco's character.

513
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.019
So everyone's horribly injured.

514
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.160
This exchange about, you know, oh, knitting together a couple of

515
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.079
bones isn't major surgery, Quark.

516
00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:57.839
It is if the bones are in the back of your skull.

517
00:24:57.900 --> 00:25:01.680
That's a really properly, properly funny exchange.

518
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:05.759
The funniest line is at the end where you realise Rob's literally

519
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:06.480
taken out everybody.

520
00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:07.980
Yeah, I'm sorry.

521
00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:10.799
And it's Worf's head as well.

522
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:14.400
It's like the it's the bone in his cheek.

523
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.339
So he's clearly smacked Warf in the face with it.

524
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:20.099
If only we could have seen that.

525
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:25.140
But it actually ends up being terrifically funny just a little one

526
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:29.339
line, one word line at the end of the scene that makes it clear

527
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:32.400
that Rom's hit more than one person with the bat.

528
00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:33.000
He's great.

529
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:35.160
But what's happening to Cisco?

530
00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:40.380
And what happens to him in this in this episode is that he proves

531
00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:47.640
Solok rights that that he becomes an absolute irrational asshole

532
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.839
in this story.

533
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:54.299
And it starts here where he doesn't care about, or you know, all

534
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.440
of the injured people.

535
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.519
And he's slightly pissed off with O'Brien, because he is too

536
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.200
injured to continue playing, you know, and and it's just very, tell

537
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:04.500
him.

538
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:04.980
I'm sorry.

539
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.140
It just gets worse and worse, doesn't it?

540
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.079
It gets more irrational and more emotional as the episode goes

541
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:10.619
on.

542
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.980
However, like you and I both have passion projects and you know

543
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:17.519
what, you know, when you're invested in something like he is in

544
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.619
this, you can be a complete...

545
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.140
I'm not saying you personally, but, you know, if you have a

546
00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:24.779
passion, you can be a complete asshole, you know.

547
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.519
And so this as well.

548
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:27.900
So this too.

549
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.400
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:32.279
So there's 2 really great gags here.

551
00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:39.059
And one is that, um, she kind of goes, oh, I don't know why the

552
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:43.440
bureaucrats have, you know, reassigned my next few missions and he

553
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.819
goes, who knows?

554
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.960
And that's it.

555
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.599
It never goes any further, so it's just sort of strongly implied

556
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.920
that he's the one who's done it.

557
00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:54.119
And then she thinks he's down to fuck, you know, that he's missed

558
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.759
her and now we're going to go and have sex.

559
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.940
And then he asks how's your throwing arm, you know?

560
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:05.880
So again, he's kind of becoming manipulative and obsessed.

561
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:07.980
It's really...

562
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:11.099
Did you see how that scene was lit and the colourful flowers and

563
00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:13.559
their smiles and it's just gorgeous.

564
00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:15.059
Yeah, chemistry.

565
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.440
I think is extraordinary.

566
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.539
And I think she's magnificent.

567
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.140
I mean, I think she's terrific in the Orville as well, but she's

568
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:23.099
wonderful here.

569
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:24.359
She's really really good.

570
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:28.200
Like they, they, they wrote her out because Penny Johnson had

571
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.079
other work to do, but they realised that they had to write her

572
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:31.559
back in.

573
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.259
And one of the massive strengths of Sirius 7 is, she gets so much

574
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:35.460
to do in Sirius 7.

575
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:35.880
Right, okay.

576
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:38.160
Yeah, no she's really good.

577
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:42.539
Oh, do you know, seeing and seeing Aaron Eisenberg and Renee

578
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.380
Obaganoi.

579
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.279
It shouldn't have like a touch of sadness to it, but it does.

580
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:52.799
In fact, that, the one moment that I was reminded that Aaron

581
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:59.099
Eisenberger died is this scene because, you know, Rom is such a

582
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:02.940
big kind of comedy doofus character with the voice and all of that

583
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:04.200
sort of thing in the teeth.

584
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:08.880
And Nog actually, you know, despite wearing all that latex is

585
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.359
often giving a kind of understated performance and he is there.

586
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:16.019
Like that sort of, oh, you know, he's missed it 10 times today or

587
00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:19.140
whatever, you know, like it was just delivered so well.

588
00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:21.359
So pleasing.

589
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:22.980
What's interesting about Aaron Eisenberg?

590
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.039
I don't think anyone expected much of him in series one. and then

591
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.799
in series 7, they gave him It was only a paper moon, the scene

592
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:30.539
where he breaks down at the end of that episode.

593
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.240
It's one of the best pieces of acting you're ever going to see in

594
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:33.720
Star Trek.

595
00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:35.400
He is in emissary, isn't he?

596
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:37.319
He's in the 1st episode, but he gets no lines.

597
00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:40.859
It's like a petty thief just going, come on, come on. you know.

598
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:46.500
Okay, so this is really interesting because Max Grotonchick is by

599
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:50.579
far apparently the most prolific baseball player that there is.

600
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:55.440
He almost chose to play professionally and actually changed his

601
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.759
mind and went into acting instead.

602
00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:02.400
So he had to play with his left hand because he had no way of even

603
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.579
acting that he couldn't play baseball with his right hand.

604
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:10.980
I think he does a great job because he does look like staggeringly

605
00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:11.579
inept.

606
00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:16.380
This, doesn't he, that fall?

607
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.359
He's so game.

608
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:20.759
That fall is really great.

609
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:24.299
It's kind of, like, always really going for a go for it, Max.

610
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:24.839
Come on.

611
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.779
Yeah. then he throws the back.

612
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:28.259
You know, right?

613
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.359
I just get the sentence as well with all these.

614
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:34.319
They love making this show, you know, like it beams off the sky.

615
00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:35.039
Oh, look away.

616
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:35.579
Do you see that?

617
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.960
I've had someone throw a ball like that at me. kind of under arm.

618
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:42.900
Well, and I think that that's it too.

619
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:49.980
Like, there is a sense in which this crew are fun and colourful

620
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.359
and diverse and weird.

621
00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:56.039
And Star Trek is a show that is often about the competence of the

622
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.920
characters, particularly like Star Trek, the Next Generation, where

623
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.680
they're solving space problems and everyone has a particular

624
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.319
competency and all their competencies come together.

625
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:07.619
And competence is hugely important and we're always being told

626
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:09.240
this is the best crew in the fleet.

627
00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:11.819
This is the best ship in the fleet, you know, all of that sort of

628
00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:12.059
thing.

629
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:16.740
And so to have this essentially be about their incompetence, how

630
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.180
shit they are all are.

631
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.940
You know how shit they all are at playing baseball.

632
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.539
That's a big change for Star Trek and a big kind of commentary

633
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.480
like it undermines what Star Trek has been about.

634
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.259
I just love how they celebrate their fucking incompetence at the

635
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:32.220
end of the episode, you know.

636
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.599
We scored one.

637
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:34.799
Oh, we'll get that.

638
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:35.400
We'll go.

639
00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:37.380
And this is great as well.

640
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:43.019
I think this, I remember, like, I was texting you when I was

641
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:46.079
watching this through before, and this is beautiful.

642
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:48.420
You know, they're all going to mutiny against the captain.

643
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.819
You know, this is a mutiny.

644
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.700
They're organising a mutant over a baseball game.

645
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.859
So they won't be court-martialled or anything.

646
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.859
And it's reasonable because Cisco's being a prick, you know, is

647
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.380
throwing him off the thing, you know, like and he's throwing him

648
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:01.859
off the thing.

649
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.279
Why?

650
00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:05.579
Because Solok got up his nose.

651
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:06.359
Yeah, that's right.

652
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:09.660
And so it's exactly what we're going to find out.

653
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.059
You know, we're finding out the Solok's right.

654
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:12.720
Right.

655
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:17.519
Um, there's a, there's a sequence and a 2nd apologies for...

656
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:22.079
There's, well, there's a montage of scenes of them all preparing

657
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.819
which is just so much fun and shows you like, you know, Bashir and

658
00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:30.900
O'Brien, they've got their Scotch gum, Ezri and Bashir are

659
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:31.799
fighting over the ball.

660
00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:32.819
And it's interesting.

661
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.480
The 2 comedy episodes this season, this embellishing, but both

662
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.400
have a montage in the middle of the episode.

663
00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:44.880
It just shows this ensemble at their brilliant best, you know, like

664
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.200
being super fun.

665
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.299
Oh, I couldn't love it more.

666
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:49.440
It's so good.

667
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:51.599
And that so that there's that line.

668
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:56.220
I think where she says now I remember where Lita says of ROM, when

669
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.640
ROM says, no, no, don't don't throw the game, don't make it about

670
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.480
a big fight.

671
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.259
It doesn't matter.

672
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.700
I wasn't good enough to be on the team.

673
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.119
She says, now I know why you married, why I married.

674
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:07.319
I mean, you just can't.

675
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.539
That's what I was thinking possible to...

676
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.640
Yeah, it's not possible to not like Rome.

677
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.019
He's adorable.

678
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.039
He's so sweet.

679
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:17.519
And he puts up with all his shit from Quark for sort of 7 years

680
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.259
and, you know.

681
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:19.920
Absolutely.

682
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:24.660
One of the one of the things with DS9 is, is you've got a bunch of

683
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:27.299
characters here that are essentially like rejects from their own

684
00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:31.980
cultures that have all come together to create like a family.

685
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.740
And it's episodes like this that really stress that.

686
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.299
Yeah, I love that.

687
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.099
Oh, come on, Julian.

688
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.940
Oh, no, look, Rom's been at it again.

689
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.079
Jake's damaged.

690
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.640
Oh, this Kira's reaction to Odo during the umpire movie.

691
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:49.619
And it is another one.

692
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:51.720
It's like, now I remember why I love you.

693
00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:52.980
You know, like...

694
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:53.579
Yeah, but you know what?

695
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:54.539
We've all had those moments.

696
00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.940
We've looked at someone and been like, you're acting like a

697
00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:57.839
complete twat.

698
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:01.859
I love you so much Get that smile and nothing is more glorious

699
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.019
than none of his is a smile.

700
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.640
I think she's so beautiful.

701
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:10.740
So here we go with Cisco. and the reason why he hates Solok so

702
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:10.859
much.

703
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.220
Now, we talked about racism in Enterprise, didn't we?

704
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.980
And it was very one-sided, i.e. to poll was just, you know, being

705
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:23.579
a bit uptight, but they were being really terrible towards us

706
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.140
really, really bullying her.

707
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.059
Whereas I think this episode, there is an element of racism, but

708
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:30.660
on both sides.

709
00:33:30.779 --> 00:33:33.000
And so the emphasis is completely different.

710
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:35.160
So, like, it is a complete arse, is it?

711
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:35.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:42.420
I think that, see, what's great about this is that she says it's

713
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.099
time for me to get the backstory.

714
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.500
Almost as if she's the narrator.

715
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.319
You know, it's like we're this far into the episode, we need the

716
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.599
backstory and you're going to tell me.

717
00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:53.640
You cannot proceed without this information.

718
00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:55.200
Please tell me now.

719
00:33:55.259 --> 00:33:59.880
And it's the day before it's the day before the match, right?

720
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.660
And so we'd better have the backstory.

721
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.440
So we know what?

722
00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:05.519
The stakes are.

723
00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:08.820
I reckon she's been watching inspirational baseball movies.

724
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.619
She's like, right, this is the point.

725
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.599
Oh, she said we need the context.

726
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.880
She's watched some Deep Space 9 episodes.

727
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.159
We're getting the and this is a, you know, this is a classic Star

728
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.099
Trek thing, isn't it, where we get the captain kind of explaining

729
00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:23.760
the thing?

730
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:28.500
And the, like the original story is sort of pretty reasonable, he's

731
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:32.940
drunk, he's a cadet, you know, he challenges Solo to a fight and

732
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:34.320
gets his ass handed to him.

733
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.739
And you kind of think, oh, well, you know, like whatever.

734
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.340
But then it just goes mental, like the story.

735
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.219
Excuse me, if somebody had highlighted, you know, the most

736
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:47.519
embarrassingly emotional moment in your life, again and again and

737
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:48.599
again throughout your life.

738
00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:50.880
No, but it's like a little bit pissed, right?

739
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:57.420
It's riding passive aggressive, you know, psychology treatises. you

740
00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:02.280
know, and like essays and stuff, like going on and on about it in

741
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.239
a sort of academic but utterly Vulcan, passive, aggressive way.

742
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:09.659
Bronmore has written a lot of Star Trek at this point.

743
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.820
So he knows how these explanations have to work.

744
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.579
And it almost feels like he's taking that PSL a little bit.

745
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:15.780
Oh, I think it's a joke.

746
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.019
I think it's absolutely hilarious and they're playing it straight

747
00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:20.639
but it's so stupid.

748
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:25.260
Like he just writes a series of psychology, you know, articles and

749
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.800
gets them published and all of them talk about what a massive

750
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.840
dickhead captain says.

751
00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:32.039
I mean, what, a massive dickhead.

752
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:32.880
Benjamin Cisco.

753
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:36.420
You love the fact that basically this whole explanation just turns

754
00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:37.920
him into a petulant child.

755
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.039
Yeah, that's had his that's had his ego bruise.

756
00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:44.699
Because you wouldn't have that in like early TNG, you know, they're

757
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:46.920
all supposed to be morally superior and perfect people.

758
00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:48.719
Except though, right?

759
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:53.400
That there's a point where, like, I got my arse handed to me.

760
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:57.000
I got beaten up, you know, like, and fair enough, you know, I was

761
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.139
an idiot.

762
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.940
But then Soloc took it further and then Soloc kept going on and on

763
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.800
in this sort of passive aggressive way.

764
00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:07.320
And we just kind of getting to it now.

765
00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:09.179
And I think it's ridiculous.

766
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:10.800
And it gets increasingly ridiculous.

767
00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:13.199
Like there's a moment where you think that this part of the

768
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.960
explanation is going to end and then it continues.

769
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:17.820
He's still writing treatises.

770
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.980
You know you know what makes it work. is the brilliant gag at the

771
00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:26.340
end where he's like kissing her face going. you can't tell them.

772
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.460
You know, I just want them to, and she's like, I promise, I

773
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:29.880
promise.

774
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.059
And it comes to her going, okay, so he made me promise not to tell

775
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:33.300
you.

776
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.440
And this is, like, in, I made a joke of it in the Voyager episode

777
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.480
we watched that, you know, you can't tell when I want nothing

778
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.300
because the gossip spreads around, but they literally make a

779
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:43.619
fantastic joke out of it here.

780
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.719
But it's also, too, that she is the grown up and he's being a

781
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.500
fucking idiot.

782
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.699
And so she has to kind of take control and she's better at

783
00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:54.539
baseball than him.

784
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.039
She's telling him what he's doing wrong.

785
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:57.059
He's really annoyed.

786
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:02.760
She, you know, knows that telling them the stakes is important, but

787
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.820
he doesn't want to do it because he's, and because he is what

788
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:07.380
Solok says he is.

789
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:08.940
He's irrational.

790
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.219
He's, um, you know, being an asshole to everyone and he's being

791
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:18.360
emotional in a way that means that solo can get him.

792
00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:19.500
Like, he's absolutely.

793
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.460
He showed by throwing Romoff the team, that Solok gets under his

794
00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:27.420
skin, that Solok can manipulate him solo can wrongfoot him all the

795
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:27.599
time.

796
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.760
That's one of the wonderful things about Casti as a character is

797
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.940
that, like, at this point, Cisco is built up as, like, you know

798
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.599
the saviour of the Alpha Quadrant, you know, the head of the

799
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.900
Dominion War, chief strategist, is the most important man in the

800
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.739
entire quadrant.

801
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.900
She don't care about none of that.

802
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.739
There's several episodes in this like where he tries to like

803
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:53.519
reassign her cargo runs again to protect her from, you know, space

804
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:54.179
about things.

805
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.480
She's like, I'll tell you what, you go and tell them to put me

806
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.400
back on that road up because I'm not having none of this.

807
00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:03.239
And in another episode, he expects her to do religious ceremonies

808
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.119
because he's the emissary and she goes, no.

809
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:07.800
She goes, I didn't convert.

810
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.719
I'm not going to suddenly pretend I started believing.

811
00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:12.840
Like, I really like that about her, that she knows her own mind

812
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.139
you know?

813
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

814
00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:16.380
And she's not kind of cowed by him.

815
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.360
And she's kind of charming with it though.

816
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:19.739
Yeah.

817
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:20.699
Yeah.

818
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:23.340
Oh, this bit, this is so cheesy.

819
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:24.539
Niners.

820
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.539
I mean, I love a bit of cheese.

821
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.119
I'm Disney mad, mate, so I love all this stuff.

822
00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:38.099
But it's also the sort of the sports film as well, you know, like

823
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:42.780
where a sort of crappy team of misfits and stuff gets together and

824
00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:44.159
kind of beats the opposition.

825
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:47.039
And of course, that's not how it ends. cliche, isn't it?

826
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:47.940
That they win.

827
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.099
But just, you watch this match with an increasing sense of, oh, my

829
00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:55.380
God. terrible.

830
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.579
So this is the Federation anthem, which was composed especially

831
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:00.420
for this episode.

832
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.820
So we had...

833
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:03.480
No.

834
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:07.139
So it was composed for this episode. and I knew that already.

835
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.840
It wasn't just recent memory alpha stuff like everything else.

836
00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:10.980
I've said this evening.

837
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:12.480
I actually happen to know that already.

838
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:16.260
And look at look at Clark's reaction to the Federation anthem.

839
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.239
I think it's really impressed.

840
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:21.960
I think the music is absolutely spectacularly good.

841
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:23.159
Yeah.

842
00:39:23.579 --> 00:39:25.860
But then that is, that has been.

843
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.019
And then in fact, that's leaning into Ward's character because

844
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:28.619
throughout.

845
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:33.360
Walk has been, you know, a staunch criticizer of the Federation

846
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.679
and everything it stands for.

847
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.159
And one of the ways that the show has critiqued the Federation as

848
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:38.400
well.

849
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.179
Yeah.

850
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.360
I want to take a quick moment as we head into the game to talk

851
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:43.679
about David Bell's score.

852
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:46.559
One, because he says, oh, memory, that absolutely was his

853
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.199
favourite score that he wrote, because he just got to cut loose

854
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:49.860
and have some fun.

855
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.119
But I love the fact there's a scored like the most, you know

856
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:59.159
dramatic space battle. dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. you know, like

857
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.659
it's it's super dramatic.

858
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.119
That makes me laugh more than anything.

859
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:06.840
Because he also got to do sort of comedy haplessness during the

860
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.599
training and stuff like that, you know, like just comedy music

861
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.019
underlying how shit everyone was at everything, but this is played

862
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.460
like a massive space battle.

863
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:18.780
That special effects shop there of the spectators vanishing behind

864
00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:19.679
Odo.

865
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.260
That's taken some time and some money to get that right.

866
00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:23.460
It looks really good.

867
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.980
And of course, we know that the reason, the real reason that we

868
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:31.800
don't have, we're deleting the crowd for budgetary reasons.

869
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.880
Yeah.

870
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.340
They'll be back later.

871
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.679
Maybe they filmed some bits without it.

872
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:38.820
I already got old balls.

873
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:40.199
We need to get rid of that.

874
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.840
I reckon it's just like, no, we can't have them here for two, 3

875
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:43.199
days.

876
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:46.440
We'll get them in for a few hours to it at the beginning of the

877
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:47.460
end and then get rid of them all.

878
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.199
That whole...

879
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:50.400
Hey, bada, bada, bada.

880
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:51.300
Spiderman kill him.

881
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.159
That's so great.

882
00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:58.800
Like Wolf doesn't do an awful lot in this, and in fact, they just

883
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.500
spent him entirely at the last scene and bring in Fake Wolf.

884
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.760
We'll talk about that when we get there.

885
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:04.559
Fake Odo is in that scene.

886
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:05.760
We'll get there.

887
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:07.019
Is there a fake odour as well?

888
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:07.920
Apparently.

889
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.400
Just shove anyone in the makeup.

890
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:13.139
No one's going to know.

891
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:13.440
Yeah.

892
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.480
Oh, here we go.

893
00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.739
So yeah, here's the scoreboard.

894
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.420
I have no idea what will this mean?

895
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.559
No, I don't either.

896
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.400
But you can tell that, you know, Ron's are up there and you can

897
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.019
tell who's winning and who's losing.

898
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:30.179
Um, special uh, props for the design department for using the um

899
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:35.760
the Star Trek Deep Space 9 logo font for their names on the back

900
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.400
and the...

901
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.699
Oh, no, and the opening credits font for Niners on the front.

902
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:46.860
Can I just say, right now, the, the, the agony that Nathan went

903
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:49.980
through it to find the right font for the untitled Star Trek

904
00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:50.400
project?

905
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:51.780
website.

906
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:54.300
It's a disease.

907
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:55.800
It's a labour of love, isn't it?

908
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.920
Oh man, Cisco's going to lose his shit in a minute in the most

909
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.639
spectacular way.

910
00:42:02.699 --> 00:42:04.260
Yeah, yeah.

911
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:09.119
And I, this is the thing that, I mean, we'll get there because the

912
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.739
way this is resolved is so good because right now, he's playing

913
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:15.179
into Solok's hands.

914
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.559
You know, there's no way they're going to win. even in a TV show

915
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:20.460
they're not going to win.

916
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:25.500
You mentioned very quickly, just how brilliantly?

917
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.800
Odo is using this as well. because he's a stickler for the rules.

918
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:30.659
That role is perfect for him.

919
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.199
And he gets to do what not many people would have the guts to do

920
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.659
and that would stand up to Avery Brooks when you're talking about

921
00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:37.500
punch you in the face.

922
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.639
Yeah, yeah.

923
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.860
He's he's and he's properly funny.

924
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:43.800
Like he's properly funny in this with his moves because he just

925
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:45.300
gets so into the role.

926
00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:50.820
Did you know the only explosion that ever went off between 2

927
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:54.360
actors in DS9 and the whole seven-year run was between Avery

928
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.840
Brooks and Renier between the one and that was in far beyond the

929
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.139
stars.

930
00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.400
Oh wow.

931
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:01.440
Which, yeah, yeah, apparently it was.

932
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:02.940
I can imagine.

933
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:03.599
Blue.

934
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:07.320
Yeah, I can imagine because everything is sort of super heightened

935
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.380
as well, you know, like...

936
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:13.440
I mean, Kira, so Kira, former terrorist, you know, athletic.

937
00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:16.920
She's pretty good at this, you know, although apparently famously

938
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.860
Nana Vista was the worst player on the team, the cast.

939
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.900
Oh, there's another terrific line in a minute as well where he

940
00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:25.920
goes, what were you doing?

941
00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:26.880
Regenerating?

942
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

943
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:35.159
And we get some, like, yeah.

944
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:36.840
Like, I don't know why.

945
00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:39.179
Like, this shouldn't be as fun as it is.

946
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.760
I really don't care about baseball, but it's so fun.

947
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:45.000
No, but I mean, it is always about the characters, you know, like

948
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.559
in baseball, the thing about sport is that there are no stakes.

949
00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:50.579
It doesn't matter.

950
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.320
I mean, professional sports, different.

951
00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:56.340
But like a game of football, you know, it doesn't matter who wins

952
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:01.679
but it, you know, like it does matter in a way, it's like a safe

953
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.579
way of experiencing success and, you know, like I think that's why

954
00:44:05.579 --> 00:44:08.639
horrible teachers say, you know, it's character building because

955
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.400
it's like, well, you get to experience success and failure and

956
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.699
stuff in a way, a safe way. matter. my work, I'll tell you.

957
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.780
It's...

958
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.239
But in stark contrast to enterprise that we watched last week, that

959
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.599
was potentially a really interesting situation with just the most

960
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.179
mediocre characters imaginable.

961
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.079
So it was so boring.

962
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.199
Whereas this is a situation where I'm not really that invested.

963
00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:32.699
I love characters.

964
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.480
Well, except that I don't want Cisco to be humiliated and I'm

965
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:41.820
angry at Cisco for being such a prick to everyone, essentially, and

966
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:47.820
wrong, the most defenceless and loveable character on the show. you

967
00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:48.599
know, in particular.

968
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:49.920
That's the stakes.

969
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.059
You know, the stakes is that Cisco is being a prick.

970
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.099
He's letting Solot get to him.

971
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.579
You know, he's absolutely losing his shit here in this scene with

972
00:44:59.579 --> 00:45:00.059
Odo.

973
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.519
And...

974
00:45:02.579 --> 00:45:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:04.260
Yeah.

976
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.420
And that where he just taps him.

977
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.940
Yeah.

978
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:14.519
Oh, great. is loving it.

979
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:18.480
But then the 2nd joke there is when he gets to do it to solo, and

980
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.119
he's got a massive smile on his face.

981
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:22.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

982
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:26.699
And that's that's good too, because Solok needs to be brought down

983
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:32.039
a peg, you know, because not because he, you know, exceeds a run

984
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.239
because he doesn't care about that.

985
00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:34.139
He wins the game.

986
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:37.500
But because he loses control to the degree.

987
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.260
Because, you know, here he is tipping his hand to see his scope.

988
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:44.519
Yeah, because Cisco's lost his shit and this is what I've said

989
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:48.719
about you humans and you in particular ever since we were at the

990
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:49.500
academy.

991
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.860
And so having him lose it is particularly humiliating.

992
00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:53.460
I think.

993
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:56.880
Because what's really nice then in the end is, I mean, it's super

994
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:57.539
cheesy.

995
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.860
But it's like they prove that, you know, having emotions is a

996
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:03.119
massive strength, you know?

997
00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:05.159
Yeah, yeah, and that's it.

998
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:09.119
The the thing is, the the being irrational thing is right.

999
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:13.679
They're being irrational because they care about getting a run.

1000
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:20.039
And the reason that they care is because they love ROM.

1001
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:26.400
And they are happy that ROM gets to enjoy himself.

1002
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:29.280
And rom is such a kind of kicked puppy sometimes.

1003
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.179
And it's why Cisco seems like such a...

1004
00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:35.039
I was going to say how much...

1005
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:37.559
This is Cisco side eye.

1006
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:39.960
It's so awkward, isn't it?

1007
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:43.260
Because Cisco is being such a bloke-y shithead.

1008
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.059
And like poor little, you know, Rom is kind of sitting there

1009
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:49.860
feeling embarrassed.

1010
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.480
Oh, Estrin.

1011
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:53.099
Emily's back.

1012
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.599
Yeah.

1013
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:59.940
Just a quick moment for, um, is it Renee Aubergonnois?

1014
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:00.599
that how you say it?

1015
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:04.380
I don't think he can give a bad line reading.

1016
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.300
And when he said a minute ago, what was it?

1017
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.159
Look it up, but do it in the stands?

1018
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:10.019
You're...

1019
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:14.880
That man can deliver any Donald. so good.

1020
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:19.260
It's the way his voice crescendos on just one big trajectory, you

1021
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.960
know, like he's in the middle of that sentence but he's going to

1022
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.039
stop and say that's wonderful.

1023
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.780
And I think we realise at this point that the best they can hope

1024
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:29.699
for is a rum, isn't it?

1025
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.320
Like, this is the best they can have got.

1026
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:33.719
And the joy of it is that it's an accident.

1027
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:38.880
Yeah, but it's not just, it's not just a run because essentially

1028
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.500
the game doesn't matter at this point.

1029
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:48.780
What matters is that ROM's humiliation gets reversed, that Cisco

1030
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:53.699
stops being a prick, and that Solok loses, and all of those things

1031
00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:56.820
happen at the same time, like they're all resolved by the same

1032
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:57.119
thing.

1033
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.139
But pushing against what you would expect in this type of story

1034
00:48:01.139 --> 00:48:04.380
because in a baseball movie, they would just win, wouldn't they?

1035
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:05.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:08.039
Oh, no, this bit.

1037
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.179
The racist bit?

1038
00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:12.480
Oh, they all look the same.

1039
00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:14.340
You can't tell.

1040
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.760
Even though one of them was black earlier on in the scene with the

1041
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.659
national anthem, he must be on the field or something, I don't

1042
00:48:21.659 --> 00:48:22.619
know how baseball works.

1043
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:28.860
This is, um, this is directly influenced by an episode of Fame, the

1044
00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:32.639
Iris Stephen Bear rope, which is about baseball, and this scene

1045
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.320
plays out in that.

1046
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.960
And I'm not sure I think it might be Asian characters.

1047
00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:40.019
And so it's even it's even more problematic.

1048
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:41.219
Yeah, well, yeah.

1049
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:45.780
But apparently there are scenes that are directly lifted from that

1050
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:47.699
fame episode straight into this.

1051
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.619
I used to love fame.

1052
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.760
Oh, see this.

1053
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:56.159
So Cisco is talking to him and it's so awkward because he hasn't

1054
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.840
acknowledged what a prick he's been.

1055
00:48:57.900 --> 00:48:59.880
And then...

1056
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:04.260
But then he just goes, he goes, ram. come here Yeah, no, it looks

1057
00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:07.559
like it looks like it would have been a lot of fun.

1058
00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:13.320
And he's sort of not manipulating him, but he sort of is because

1059
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.659
he looks to see how Cisco reacts to that.

1060
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.719
And then we get this and it's just glorious.

1061
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:21.780
It's just the best thing ever. whole sequence now where they're

1062
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:23.940
tapping their arms, trying to give the bump signal.

1063
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.679
It's like, what?

1064
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:26.340
What?

1065
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:34.079
But but it's also like we bring the we bring the crowd back so

1066
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.059
they can cheer him.

1067
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.059
You know, we're all...

1068
00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:39.780
So what are you saying?

1069
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.159
This isn't a celebration of baseball.

1070
00:49:41.219 --> 00:49:42.480
This is a celebration of role.

1071
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:43.559
Yeah, yeah.

1072
00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:45.480
At this stage, that's what we needed.

1073
00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:48.960
But that's it.

1074
00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:52.380
It's a celebration of how much they love each other and how they

1075
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.940
all kind of work together to ensure ROM accidentally receive some

1076
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:57.420
success.

1077
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.099
They're all rooting for him.

1078
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.920
You know, even though he's really shit at the game.

1079
00:50:01.980 --> 00:50:04.380
Did you ever know, you know the bit of the end where they all pick

1080
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:04.679
him up?

1081
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:05.639
Yeah, yeah.

1082
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.920
And someone goes to tussle his hair.

1083
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.480
And he ain't got an offset.

1084
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.340
So they're just tussling the top of his head.

1085
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:12.659
It's so, so cute.

1086
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:14.880
And you know what?

1087
00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:15.360
you know what?

1088
00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:18.000
It is like super cheesy, isn't it?

1089
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:19.739
Like it's really cheesy.

1090
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:20.820
Yeah, yeah.

1091
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.159
I think they've earned it at this point.

1092
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:26.820
Like, we've had some pretty dark storytelling lately. like, yeah

1093
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:27.179
you know.

1094
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:33.179
But also, you know, we love these characters, you know, by these

1095
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:33.480
times.

1096
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:38.760
You remember, I said in House of Cork, that Max Rogenchik has a

1097
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.500
way of looking dents with nuance.

1098
00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:44.519
I think this sequence exemplifies that.

1099
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.719
Come on, dad, you can do it, I hope.

1100
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:52.980
But again, it is, you know, like Nog doesn't want him to be

1101
00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:53.460
embarrassed.

1102
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.519
Nog cares about him and doesn't want him to humiliate himself in

1103
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:57.119
front of everyone.

1104
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:58.679
And we've stopped...

1105
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:01.139
Are you saying there's no other character that could play this

1106
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:01.500
role?

1107
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:02.460
Like we love ROM so much.

1108
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.760
Oh, yeah, the high stakes come from the fact that we leave...

1109
00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:06.360
You don't want it.

1110
00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:07.260
You cannot ask.

1111
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.000
And the focus has moved off.

1112
00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:13.679
Is Cisco going to be embarrassed by losing to Solok?

1113
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:14.760
We're not thinking about that at all.

1114
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:18.059
It is is Rom going to be humiliated here.

1115
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.579
Is he going to make a fool of himself because he was, you know

1116
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:22.500
like he's smacked people about the head.

1117
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:23.940
He's thrown the bat at people.

1118
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.500
He's been kind of embarrassed. and they're all rooting for him.

1119
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:34.980
And by not caring about what Solok thinks, that's how Ben defeats

1120
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:35.280
him.

1121
00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:37.380
You know, it's a rational bit in a good way.

1122
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:38.760
We care.

1123
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.079
We don't care about winning, not because, you know, like the

1124
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.420
irrational thing was to care so much about winning that you are

1125
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:47.519
going to be mean to Nog, wrong.

1126
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:48.420
Not at all.

1127
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:49.920
Lofton is.

1128
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.860
He's somewhere in the atmosphere, isn't he?

1129
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:55.320
Have you seen him now?

1130
00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:56.280
Have you seen him lately?

1131
00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:58.860
He looks like Avery Brooks is terrifying.

1132
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.539
He's really handsome.

1133
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:01.980
He's such a good looking young man.

1134
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.559
Oh, yeah, I think he was.

1135
00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:05.219
Oh, here we go.

1136
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:06.119
Slow motion.

1137
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:07.619
No, just to throw the point home.

1138
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:11.099
Keep going wrong.

1139
00:52:14.340 --> 00:52:15.480
Oh I love it.

1140
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.880
Oh, look and he's number 13.

1141
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.739
From number 13, which is terribly bad luck.

1142
00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:26.519
Oh, look, now Aaron Eisenberg's throwing himself into it.

1143
00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

1144
00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:32.579
And that's it.

1145
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:33.300
Yeah.

1146
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.400
We're all shit at this Woo!

1147
00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:36.900
But no, the game's over.

1148
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.159
It's not that we're all shit at this.

1149
00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:42.059
It's that ROM, it let there be a home run or something.

1150
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.820
You know, like, it was great.

1151
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.380
You know, it just wouldn't have rung true had he like taken the

1152
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:50.940
swing and hit it properly.

1153
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.440
But the fact that he's distracted and it taps the back.

1154
00:52:55.500 --> 00:53:00.360
There would go, this, this, Renee. throwing you off.

1155
00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:01.619
And that's it.

1156
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.179
That's where solo gets defeated.

1157
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:04.440
He is irrrational.

1158
00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:06.119
You know, he gets angry.

1159
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:10.619
Ira Bear says that structurally, he thinks that they kind of lost

1160
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:12.360
so lost character throughout this.

1161
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:14.400
He has a strong scene at the beginning.

1162
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:18.000
And then he just sort of hangs around and he wishes they'd kind of

1163
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.440
given him a bit more substance.

1164
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:22.320
Yeah, I don't want to less...

1165
00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:25.559
I don't want a thing where he learns a valuable lesson at the end

1166
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:25.739
though.

1167
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:26.940
That would have been tedious.

1168
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.019
And I think that I think that this ending is actually the worst

1169
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:31.440
bit.

1170
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:33.539
About it.

1171
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:34.679
You don't like this scene?

1172
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:36.179
Well, I do like the scene.

1173
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.219
I like the scene because of the apology.

1174
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.500
I think that's just absolutely beautiful.

1175
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.880
And having ROM say, oh, you know, if you want to apologise, you

1176
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:48.840
know, like, even better is when he's like, oh, what's a bump?

1177
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1178
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.460
And that's when she starts goes in for a kiss.

1179
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:55.380
Oh, you're adorable.

1180
00:53:58.260 --> 00:54:02.340
We've seen some we've seen some kisses in this show so far in this

1181
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:02.820
podcast.

1182
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.199
I think that might be my favourite one yet.

1183
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:05.400
Yeah, yeah.

1184
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:06.960
Where's fake Odo then?

1185
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.599
Apparently he's in this scene.

1186
00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:11.880
Fate Wharf is so obvious.

1187
00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:14.400
They try and put Bashir in front of him, but he keeps moving.

1188
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:18.780
No, apparently Renee wasn't available here or didn't, you know

1189
00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:19.800
they used his stand in.

1190
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.000
Oh, okay.

1191
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:23.699
Yeah, but this... you know what?

1192
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:24.539
I been doing this for 70 years.

1193
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.000
I'm not getting up in makeup for one line in the last season.

1194
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:27.960
I don't even have a line.

1195
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:28.440
That's it.

1196
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:39.599
I, I don't like this mocking him, you know, because I think the

1197
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.260
important lesson they learned is that we don't give a shit what

1198
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:44.219
Solok thinks.

1199
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:50.880
And trying to beat Solok is what turned Ben into a prick.

1200
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.460
And so now having them crow.

1201
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.340
I just...

1202
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:58.199
Yeah, I just think it's a bit unpleasant.

1203
00:54:58.260 --> 00:55:02.639
And and this, where we end the episode on the most appalling

1204
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:03.539
force.

1205
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:07.079
It's like the end of a dreadful Blake 7 episode.

1206
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:07.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1207
00:55:07.619 --> 00:55:13.199
Well, this is this is untitled Star Trek Project's 2nd episode

1208
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:18.480
that ends on like an incredibly shit forced laugh because Lineage

1209
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.960
did as well. like just super embarrassing.

1210
00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:24.420
But this is the only time DS9 does this.

1211
00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:29.460
Oh, look, look at Kira really going for an embarrassing way.

1212
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.659
And then we throw them...

1213
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.420
At least there is an ugly CGI baby to laugh at.

1214
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.199
Yeah, that's true.

1215
00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:35.760
Oh, the ball.

1216
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.039
And, um, it's, they've all signed it.

1217
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.159
Cork signed it, but he's got his ears on the camera.

1218
00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:41.880
Get on the queue.

1219
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:43.800
You know what?

1220
00:55:43.860 --> 00:55:45.840
There's only one thing that could have possibly made that better.

1221
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:48.179
If Morn had been on this team.

1222
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:49.679
Yeah.

1223
00:55:49.739 --> 00:55:51.179
Did we say more?

1224
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.260
I saw a benz on.

1225
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.159
He was in that last scene.

1226
00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:55.500
He was hanging out in the last, he's always, he's always at that

1227
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.159
bar, isn't he?

1228
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.059
Oh, Nathan, that was so much fun.

1229
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.039
I love that episode so much.

1230
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.019
I really properly enjoyed it.

1231
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.599
And even when it's being light and being disposable.

1232
00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:08.579
It's about something, you know.

1233
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.159
I mean, I've kind of okay, so I've kind of got a question for you

1234
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:11.760
going out then.

1235
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:15.539
Could you understand why people would object to that episode?

1236
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.480
Yeah, but terrible people, I think.

1237
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:25.079
You know, like, because I I was going to name a name then, a

1238
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.420
mutual friend of ours, but I'm not going to do it now.

1239
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:33.300
It's because it's because I don't want Star Trek to be

1240
00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:34.500
relentlessly gone.

1241
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:38.760
I want it to be fun and silly as well, and I want it to remember

1242
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:43.440
that its primary job isn't to depict historical events in the

1243
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.679
future that aren't going to happen so that we can write up memory

1244
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.000
alpha articles about them.

1245
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.340
It's to be entertaining.

1246
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.099
And there's no way that that didn't do that.

1247
00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:56.039
You know, and it's why it's one of my top 10.

1248
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:01.019
I mean, we've we've watched 2 DS9 episodes now, and I don't think

1249
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:05.400
either of them are entirely representative of the series as a

1250
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:05.579
whole.

1251
00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:09.659
Because it is, it is, you know, I'm not going to say it's dark, but

1252
00:57:09.659 --> 00:57:13.440
it is darker than your average Star Trek.

1253
00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:17.820
Yeah, it's probably not as dark as Discovery season one, but it

1254
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is...

1255
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.119
Nothing is as dark as Discovery season one.

1256
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:26.039
But it, like, but there's texture to it and there's character

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00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:31.139
stuff and there's comedy and there's, you know, silliness and and

1258
00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:34.559
interplay between the actors and stuff, you know, and that's what

1259
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:35.099
I'm here for.

1260
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:40.199
I can only say again, I love those characters and I will pretty

1261
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:41.460
much watch them doing it.

1262
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.099
Anything at all if they're having that much fun.

1263
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:48.119
But what they are having, like while they're having fun there

1264
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.719
that's a properly good episode that's actually about something.

1265
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:57.599
And it is also nice hangout time for us because there's only a

1266
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.480
limited amount of time we have left with these people at this

1267
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:00.659
point.

1268
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.739
Well, I mean, there's a very specific thing that they do in the

1269
00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:07.920
middle of the season, and that is, they do better, being better

1270
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:13.860
bang, directly before the last 10 episode arc, as a breather, as

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00:58:13.860 --> 00:58:16.139
you know, you've got that fabulous slow motion sequence where

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00:58:16.139 --> 00:58:18.480
they're all dressed up, ready for the highest going down the

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00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:22.860
promenade, and then Cisco sings the best is yet to come. at the

1274
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:26.579
end of the episode. one of the best scenes ever in Star Trek.

1275
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:31.320
But, you know, you're right, it is absolutely a pause to hang out

1276
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.159
with them one last time before, you know, things this shit hits

1277
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:35.519
the fan.

1278
00:58:38.820 --> 00:58:44.880
All right, Joe, it's time for us to pick our episode for next

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00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.420
week.

1280
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And can you tell the listener at home what the principal is that

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underlies our choice of series this time.

1282
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:03.000
The only option I think we have failed to take advantage of is to

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00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.639
select everything that's left.

1284
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:11.099
Uh, which I believe is the animated series that I've never seen.

1285
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:12.239
I know about you.

1286
00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:16.079
Um, Picard, which I've watched through once.

1287
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:19.860
Lower decks, which we both adore.

1288
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.260
And prodigy.

1289
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:22.739
Is that right?

1290
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:23.639
Yeah.

1291
00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:26.340
Now, I'm actually going to take prodigy off the table for one

1292
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:32.159
reason, which is that I've only put episode one in, and there have

1293
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:33.300
been 3 episodes by now.

1294
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.519
So I'm going to take that off the table, but I am going to add

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00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.960
short tracks to the table.

1296
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:38.219
So your short tracks.

1297
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:41.039
There's 2 series of short tracks that were made alongside

1298
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:45.659
Discovery and leading up to Picard, and they're sort of 10 minute

1299
00:59:45.659 --> 00:59:48.059
they're short, hence the name.

1300
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.260
But I think there's some really good stuff in there and I'd be

1301
00:59:52.260 --> 00:59:56.219
super interested if we got one of those, some of them, I think, are

1302
00:59:56.219 --> 00:59:56.579
great.

1303
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:00.840
And often, often they introduce sort of ideas and themes that end

1304
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.860
up in discovery, there's one that introduces the main theme of

1305
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:08.820
Picard, and I think they're sort of interesting and a bit

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01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:09.780
experimental.

1307
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:10.800
So that would be kind of fun.

1308
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:14.159
So that Star Trek, the animated series, Short Treks, Star Trek

1309
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.719
Picard, and Star Trek Lower Decks.

1310
01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:18.659
I think it's worth mentioning that we're not going to just allow

1311
01:00:18.659 --> 01:00:20.219
the films to happen.

1312
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:21.179
Do you know what I mean?

1313
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.699
Like we're not including the films in this because we don't

1314
01:00:23.699 --> 01:00:27.420
suddenly want to discover that we're doing a 3 hour episode next

1315
01:00:27.420 --> 01:00:29.760
week and sort of kind of know why.

1316
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:31.800
Let's let's make it clear.

1317
01:00:31.860 --> 01:00:33.300
We are gonna cover the films.

1318
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:34.260
Yeah, absolutely.

1319
01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:38.880
We'll do that at specific times and like perhaps festive specials

1320
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.320
and things like that, you know.

1321
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.539
Yeah, I wouldn't mind a Christmas special.

1322
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.360
Because I've got some things to say about some of those films, I'm

1323
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:45.780
telling you.

1324
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:47.760
Some of them are great though.

1325
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:51.000
Anyway, the crap ones are great.

1326
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:52.679
All right, okay.

1327
01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:55.139
So I am on the randomiser now.

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01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.940
I have Star Trek, the animated series, Short Trek, Star Trek, Lower

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01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:01.619
Decks, and I'm pressing the button.

1330
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:03.119
Push it.

1331
01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:09.840
Your random Star Trek lower decks episode is I excretus.

1332
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.000
What the hell is that?

1333
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:16.679
Series two, series two, episode eight.

1334
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.260
Okay, so I've not seen any of series two.

1335
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:20.820
So that's...

1336
01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:22.260
I...

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01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:23.099
Check.

1338
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.059
I think I think this is pretty good.

1339
01:01:27.659 --> 01:01:30.119
I mean, they're all pretty good.

1340
01:01:30.179 --> 01:01:33.659
It's going to be a sort of challenge doing one of these, but I

1341
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:35.820
guess we'll be spotting like lots of things.

1342
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.840
I absolutely adore Star Trek lower decks and sometimes it's my

1343
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:40.800
favourite one.

1344
01:01:40.860 --> 01:01:45.659
Actually, I excretency is a particularly good episode for us to

1345
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:45.780
do.

1346
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:51.000
The thing that worries me is in a condensed period of time, there's

1347
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.300
a lot of Easter eggs in lower decks.

1348
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.719
So there might have to be a little bit of discussion even before

1349
01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:59.159
or afterwards.

1350
01:01:59.219 --> 01:02:01.260
Otherwise, we will miss out quite a lot.

1351
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.980
But I really enjoyed this episode this run through.

1352
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:09.119
I think it is really properly funny and. tell me the premise.

1353
01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:15.719
So, um, there's an alien comes on board and she's a consultant who

1354
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:21.000
is training the lower deck people and the bridge crew to kind of

1355
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.659
handle each other's kind of situations and stuff.

1356
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.199
So she's there to sort of help them and she exposes them to these

1357
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.119
simulated situations and stuff.

1358
01:02:30.179 --> 01:02:34.079
And I don't want to... sort of like Councillor Troy psychobabble.

1359
01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:35.099
No, just you wait.

1360
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:36.480
Just you wait.

1361
01:02:36.539 --> 01:02:38.099
Oh, wait.

1362
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.059
I cannot wait.

1363
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:39.659
Yeah.

1364
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.780
So, I know, I've not met another next episode, I haven't enjoyed.

1365
01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:44.579
I think it's really fun.

1366
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.239
And I think it's something Star Trek really needs and will talk

1367
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:49.619
more about that next week, I think.

1368
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.780
I mean, I'm gonna let you into a little secret.

1369
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.380
That's my favourite of the Kursman tricks. by a mile.

1370
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.360
Yeah, sometimes it's my favourite as well.

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You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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01:03:09.300 --> 01:03:10.619
and Nathan Bottomley.

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You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where

1374
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:17.039
you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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01:03:17.099 --> 01:03:20.639
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.260
composed by Cameron Lann.

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01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.699
This episode was recorded on the 24th of November 2021 and

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01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:28.500
released on the 17th of December.

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We'll see you next time for Lower Decks, I excretis.