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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are very early on in Star Trek Enterprise this week, and in fact...

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Dangerous Waters.

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Yeah, yeah, we are one episode after Strange New World, which is the 1st episode of Enterprise we ever did. did we find that a absolute...

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And now I remember.

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In fact, that was the point where I was like, no one's going to listen to this anymore because we are slagging off star.

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I mean, honestly, we did not have one good word to say during that episode.

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Not one.

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Just you saying one of my favourites.

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That was it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this, I think, is actually quite a bit better.

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And I imagine this is one that people hate and rightly so in all sorts of ways, but I have to say that I thought it was sort of reasonably amiable and sort of inoffensive.

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I, you know, well, mildly offensive a little bit later on, but it certainly begins amiable, which is actually your word.

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I don't think it ever gets offensive to the levels that we've been offended by enterprise before.

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Oh, no, I was expecting much worse.

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Yeah.

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I still think that's fame praise.

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I think a lot of people consider this to be one of, if not the worst episode of the season, and I don't think that's the case at all.

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I struggled with this, didn't I?

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Because I watched it and I said, gee, that was quite fun.

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And then about an hour later, I messaged you and I said, I cannot remember a thing about that episode.

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I don't know what I'm going to.

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So I had to watch it again today, sort of about an hour ago, just to remind myself of, and I think there are definitely things to say about this and about how they are forming this show.

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Yeah.

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But insubstantial is what I would say about this.

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Like, I'm not sure what point it's trying to make.

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I don't think it's making a point.

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I think it is just, it does just have no ambitions beyond being a Star Trek episode and it manages that.

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I think that baffles me the most is that Bourbon and Bragger have been churning out Star Trek for over a decade at this point, yeah?

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Yep.

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And everything from, you know, terrible to absolute classics. and they've both been involved with both.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So they should have a really good grasp on how to make Star Trek at this point.

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So why in this 1st season does it feel like this is 2 people that have just come together and decided to make Star Trek that I've never touched it before and they're making one stupid mistake after another?

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What, why is that?

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I think it's because they think that Star Trek is too nerdy and that it doesn't have the ability to appeal to a mass audience.

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And so they're trying to make it less, you know, just less like, you have to have read lots of memory alpha pages to understand what's going on.

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So they bring it into a new setting, you know, like the 24th century is kind of a bit overplayed at this point.

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So we're bringing it down.

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We're having much, much less kind of backstory, and we're making the story simpler.

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But I think the whole thing is kind of undermined by the fact that they try not to write space people from the 24th century and they fail.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like these are not like chilled, relaxed people.

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Although with some exceptions, I think, in the cast, but generally speaking, they're still Star Trek people.

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And I think that it gives them license to forget everything that we've seen for the last 14 years.

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And so here, for instance, we're supposed to get tremendously excited by the holodeck because our characters have... can they?

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No.

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But we 1st saw one 14 years ago and we've seen any number of holodeck episodes and we've made jokes about it.

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If there were memes back then we would have made them.

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And so it flops.

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You know, it's just like last week when we had the away mission.

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It's kind of like, well, this is our 478th away mission in Star Trek so far because it's there 1st doesn't make it exciting to us.

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I mean, did they think just because they're making a new Star Trek show that there was going to be a whole new audience watching it?

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Because the pattern was, TNG was enormously popular, had great numbers.

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They started dwindling with DS9.

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They dwindled even further with Voyager.

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And now here we are in Enterprise in the death bros of our viewing audience.

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Yeah.

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But they must have known that it was Star Trek fans that were going to watch this.

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Star Trek fans that had seen the last 15 years.

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Yeah, but I think that they wanted to get a broader audience in and I think they fail.

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And I think they fail surprisingly in a way that, for instance, strange new worlds succeeds.

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You know, Stranger Worlds is trying to be a new Star Trek show.

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And because, like, its stories are sort of reasonably simple and Star Trek-y.

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You know, they've been sort of fairly straightforward.

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I was thinking about episode two, which I think is called Children of the Comet, that beautiful overall one.

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Astonishing.

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Yeah, but the thing that Strange New Worlds got so right.

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The Enterprise got so wrong.

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And I don't think it's the car's fault is that these characters are just so boring.

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You know, that's right.

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I think that's it.

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How they react to things.

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It just isn't exciting to watch in a way that like I talked about the characters in DS9 a couple of weeks back.

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They were so vivid and the personalities were so big and all the different combinations.

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It just, the characters are absolutely the strongest thing there.

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They're the weakest thing here.

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So you have weak characters and you're doing the same old going through the motions with the plots.

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What is there to grab hold of?

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And that thing you were saying about sort of pushing away from Star Trek a bit and giving it a bit more human interest, yeah.

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That only works.

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If those human characters are really vivid and interesting.

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I don't know if you were in the Stargate universe. you remember that?

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So that's what happened when they when they took hold of this camp, ridiculous sci-fi fantasy show?

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put it somewhere out in the universe and just made it about human beings and suddenly it lost all of its campness and its silliness and it's fun and it was boring as hell to watch and it killed off the franchise.

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Well, guess what?

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They've done the same thing here with Star Trek and it killed off the franchise.

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Yeah, but in spite of that, there are, in this episode, I think, 2 characters who come off well, and that's because of the actor's performances, and I think it's, Jen Archer came off very well when he started floating around naked in the shower, you know?

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It's the one time I've been really happy to see it.

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But I think Tripp is as charming as hell, and I think that this mostly plays to his strengths.

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You know, like I think he's generally sweet.

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There's some scenes towards the end where he's a bit obnoxious.

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And of course, the doctor.

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Trip is the best character, I think, in this show, potentially.

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And I still think he is worse than the worst character in DS 9.

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It's less interesting.

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Strange New Worlds.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If you put him in DS9 or in Strange New Worlds, he'd be the most boring character in it, you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, I think that that's the other thing too.

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I think that there is a pushback against the diversity.

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Yeah, you still do Star Trek here.

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Yeah. and I I think that's I think it's hard to...

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It's very interesting to know that Anthony Montgomery, who is one of the main cast.

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He just gets nothing to do in those 4 years.

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They ignore the character completely.

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And he's clearly an actor.

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He's got some chops, you know, when they do give him something to do, he's pretty good.

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And yet instead they just go. the trio again, isn't it?

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It's Archipol and Tripp.

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Yeah.

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And so and Hoshi as well.

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You know, like, and the...

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She usually gets one... throw her a bone and give her one episode in here, you know.

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But, you know, like this is the 1st 90 Star Trek to be helmed by a wide American male, you know, that's the 1st time it's happened.

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And I think that that's what they're trying to do here.

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And I think that's a problem as well.

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Like, I think, you know, and also just the kind of weird racism that they're doing.

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You know, there was kind of racism against Spock, wasn't there, in the original series and they're trying to bring it back. very unpleasant.

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Yeah.

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People talk about the McCoy spot relationship.

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But it is tinged with a level of sort of awkwardness as well.

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Yeah.

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But here I think Tapole's horrible.

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Like, I think Tapol's awful, this episode.

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I like her.

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She had wonderful, great one line about sticking his fingers in where they don't belong or something.

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I did like that live.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You fucking...

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Do you remember when we selected Enterprise?

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That was my choice on the Random Myers.

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I said, I wanted to talk about when the cast assembled with Brandon Braga to basically execute him with words, which they did with some alacrity, I have to say.

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I very quickly just wanted to talk about the cast members and what they had to say because everyone sort of agree this 1st season was an absolute turkey.

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Who shall I start with?

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Okay, so Anthony Montgomery, yeah.

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Who doesn't ever say, he seems like the most amiable guy out of all of them basically just says what I got out of this show was being around these actors.

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But he couldn't talk about his character or the plots or anything. because there was nothing there for him.

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And I thought actually that was a bit of a miss because it would have been interesting for him to say, well, why didn't you give me anything to do?

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Dominic Keating, who, weirdly enough, is even more annoying than the character he plays, Malcolm Reed.

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Keeps interrupting everybody throughout the thing. he's that sort of accident wants to be the centre of attention all the time or starts taking over the interview.

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I got the feeling this was the biggest job that he'd ever had and would ever have.

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Scott Bacula is very thoughtful about the whole thing and he does take brag of the task quite a few times and he's the one that says categorically, our 1st season was a failure.

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We lost our audience then.

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Wow, wow.

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But he then says, look, halfway through the 2nd season, I knew we were starting to do good work and then in 3 and four, he goes, whatever you think.

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Because, um, John Billingsley comes in and says, you know, the politics of season 3 were appalling.

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And Scott Bacular turns around and says, yeah, but I do think we made some good telly, regardless.

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We made some exciting TV.

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They keep trying to throw the spotlight on Jolene Blaylock.

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I am not going to say Baylock.

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Jolian Blaylock.

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And she's really shy.

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Like, she's really reluctant to sort of talk and she talks, she kind of admits very shyly that she's been to a few conventions and didn't enjoy it very much.

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So I think she's the sort of actor, the opposite of Dominic Gating, doesn't like the spotlight in her face.

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And Brandon Brockov says to her, you know, did you enjoy what we wrote for you?

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We really wanted to challenge you.

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And she's very, positive about the whole experience.

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Right.

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What really shocked me was she's, I think she's one of the most able actors of the bunch.

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But she just sort of sits there with her, adds to her mouth, like really meek.

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And but the most interesting is Conor Trinier.

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And he says, you gave me wonderful opportunities throughout this show.

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And you can see Anthony Montgomery looking at Conor Tornillo, as he's going, the fantastic opportunities you gave me throughout this show.

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What's the difference between us, do you think?

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He's probably wondering.

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Yeah, nobody says that.

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But it's really interesting.

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They all kind of come away with a lot of regret.

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And like someone says, you know, we didn't make it to a 100.

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We nearly made it to 100 episodes.

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We're the only series during that period that didn't do 7 seasons.

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We're the only series that ended with a TNG episode instead of an Enterprise episode and everyone's got something to say about that.

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It's really sad because I think ultimately, yeah, the show is a blob.

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And they're kind of scratching through the debris to find nice things to say.

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But it's a really interesting interview, and certainly Brandon Braggart is there, like, you know, like the Hangman has got his noose, or they're all putting gums at him. shoot him any minute. you know.

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And he's just full of apologies for everybody.

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And it's very, very clear that from the start, there was massive studio problems. they were involving themselves on every level of the show.

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So what we got on the screen, it might say written by Brandon Bragger and Rick Berman, but there were decisions being made about the look of the show, the ideas in the show, like they didn't even want to do a prequel.

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But that was the studio's idea, you know?

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They had to do the temporal Cold War because they wouldn't have them just telling human interest stories.

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No, no, there's got to be something big, big, exciting science fiction idea in there.

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And they were like, we didn't know what we would do with it.

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We just threw it in there because that's what they wanted.

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Yeah.

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So the sad thing is about enterprise is that nobody's very impressed with it.

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Not even the people making it.

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Yeah, but I would be lying if I denied having any fun watching it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like sometimes I find it exasperating.

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There are times that really irritates me.

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And there's times that I'm kind of bored and it's not one that I willingly put on.

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I mean, I mostly only watch it because of untitled Star Trek project.

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But I wasn't bored this afternoon when I watched it.

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I had fun, you know, like it's still Star Trek, but it's a shame it's not good Star Trek.

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I think, I think the thing is, I, whenever we roll enterprise, and all the time it's me choosing it, I sort of go in thinking, okay, this is going to be the, this is going to be the time where I'm turning into an enterprise fan, you know?

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And I'm finally, you know, years after the event going to watch the run through.

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And it's just, I don't think it's ever going to happen, you know?

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No.

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That's a really sad way to start this episode.

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And I'm sure one day we're going to find an enterprise episode that we both agree is absolutely, you know, is probably brilliant.

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I don't think we've done one yet really.

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We've done one that sort of touched on being very good. but still made you very angry.

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Yeah, co-jenitor.

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Terrible. very angry.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I think we should go in.

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What do you reckon?

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I think I've turned everybody off enough.

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Yeah, let's go.

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All right, I'll count us in.

216
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Five, four, three, two, one.

217
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And we're off.

218
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This was the best... as far as I'm concerned.

219
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So again, so we don't have Sonic showers, do we?

220
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Oh look at him.

221
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Look, that reminds me so much of that Star Trek 6, you know, when the blood goes flying.

222
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

223
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So they've got the money to do this.

224
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Like, the shower is sort of intensely impractical on a spaceship, but like whatever.

225
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But I kind of like that because it puts him in a space and so much of this show is just us standing around in studios.

226
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And so to have someone who's physically wet, I know that sounds dumb, but that's actually a thing, you know, that's mildly entertaining.

227
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Studios at that, Nathan.

228
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And I've got to say, I think Scott falls out.

229
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That must have hurt the bottom of his arse so badly.

230
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I think he's been working out, you know.

231
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Well, he's like, you know, anyone who looked like him who took their shirt off in an American TV program, these days would be shot dead immediately, but I think he looks great.

232
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Like, I think he looks great.

233
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You forget Captain Kirk, you know, walking through the corridors with his belly out.

234
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Certainly, certainly he's trimmer than Captain Kirk.

235
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I think he looks really good.

236
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I think it's a great shame.

237
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I think, you know, Bacula has every right to be irritated because you take an actor as charming as Bacula and make him play an arsehole for so long.

238
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And when she's nice.

239
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It's actually fun to watch him.

240
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Yeah, you know.

241
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I mean, beyond that, oh, there's a few bits in this.

242
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There's a bit where he orders trip to bed.

243
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I quite like that bit.

244
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But, you know, it's slim pickings.

245
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He's nice to the dog this time.

246
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You know how we said he had no proper relationship with the dog. in a night in Sick Bay, you know, like he just thought the dog was something he could whinge about.

247
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I've just remembered something else from the interview.

248
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If someone brought up the song.

249
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Did anybody like the song?

250
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I like the song.

251
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John Billingsley, it's one...

252
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He goes, well, you know, it's very plain.

253
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He goes, he goes, I did like the bit, though, really.

254
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They jumped in at the end going, I've got, I've got, when the chorus jumps in.

255
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And I was like, that's exactly what I saw on, I'm sorry.

256
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:39.539
Yeah, yeah.

257
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No, well, it's it's a very, very middle of the road, like I said before, I think dad core kind of choice.

258
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I think of now, whenever I hear it, you say dad call, you know.

259
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We're having play meat soup.

260
00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:54.240
Are we having plum meat soup?

261
00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:56.099
She had plum meat soup for breakfast. right.

262
00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.220
So I think she's fairly racist in this scene, though.

263
00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.940
Yeah, I think she's obnoxious in this scene.

264
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And in fact, one of the, one of the ways that people are racist is by expressing disgust for the other culture's food.

265
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And if you think about the history of, you know, English people calling French people frogs because they sometimes eat frogs, do you know what I mean?

266
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Like, we do that all the time with other cultures and we say their food stinks and that's how we race a story.

267
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I do not object to classic way of doing it.

268
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But I don't like the taste of them, but I just don't like the fact that they get so little meat. on our frogs.

269
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Yeah, it's a lot of effort.

270
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But you know, I think I think throughout the 1st season, their plan is to thaw her out, you know, she doesn't want to go in the 1st episode and come the last episode she's choosing to stay and they do take her on that path in the 1st season.

271
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Yeah, bloody how everyone's horrible at the beginning.

272
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Yeah, well that's right.

273
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It's just not fun to watch.

274
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And she is super obnoxious here.

275
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I actually have to say that I am starting to like this set.

276
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I love this set.

277
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We said before, we like the fact that they sort of practically climb all over it.

278
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You know, there's a lot to do.

279
00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:09.960
So there's a lot of what sort of ways they can shoot it as well.

280
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Yeah, well, because remember the warp core was horizontal in original track and these horizontally and strategy worlds, and then they had those vertical ones, which are great, because that was unusual and stuff.

281
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But having this long sort of space and like here where they get out fire extinguishes, like it gives it a real...

282
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Did you notice that?

283
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So it's got a line.

284
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So he walks across the bridge as if he's doing something important than a trip site.

285
00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.640
No, no, no, we need you to go back that way and go and sort that thing out, yeah.

286
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The extras on, especially 90s trek, you know, they have a bit of a problem.

287
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Not doing anything convincingly.

288
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And so I think this is sort of vaguely interesting, isn't it?

289
00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:58.799
So they're they're awake and it's causing these malfunctions.

290
00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:04.619
And I did like where the sort of black tar comes into into Tapol's drink.

291
00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:09.720
You know, she's ordered carbonated water for breakfast and she gets black tongue.

292
00:20:09.779 --> 00:20:11.579
But we did that in the triple episode, you know?

293
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We've been doing this for decades and decades.

294
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We've been doing cloak ships for decades.

295
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Like, this is your child?

296
00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:19.140
You want to do something fresh and original.

297
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Bloody do it, you know?

298
00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.740
Yeah, but that's the problem.

299
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:31.859
What they're doing instead is they've created what they think is a place where the same tide old things will be fresh and original.

300
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:37.380
It turns out they're not because it's new to them because it's the 1st time.

301
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Do you know what I mean?

302
00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:41.819
They're only just learning to use the...

303
00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:43.920
That is genuinely what Bragger and Berman Thor.

304
00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:45.299
I think that is what they thought.

305
00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.940
They should never have been running a show.

306
00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:54.480
No, that's just because it's the 1st time we've done this, that the audience will forget that we've done this 100 times.

307
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We've done it for 14 years already.

308
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That's right. isn't it?

309
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Yeah.

310
00:21:00.299 --> 00:21:03.059
But I'm pretty sure that that's what was in their hands.

311
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.319
Well, then, like Bragger says, you know, come season three.

312
00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:11.339
We knew we literally knew we'd shot the franchise in the leg and it was dying.

313
00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.420
They basically said season 3 was going to be their last season.

314
00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:17.519
So that's why he said, right, fine.

315
00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:19.259
Fuck the studio.

316
00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.640
We're going to do a season-long arc because it's the sort of thing we wanted to do right from season one.

317
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.819
And we're going to do it whether you want us to do it or not because you're going to kill us off anyway.

318
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.180
And I know you don't like season three.

319
00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:34.440
No, it is ambitious. in a way that this is not ambitious.

320
00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:38.220
No, that's true, but that's the other thing too.

321
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:43.380
They're so uncomfortable making Star Trek and, you know, some of the choices that we've already discussed.

322
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.779
Uh, you know, the lack of diversity, all of that sort of thing.

323
00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:56.880
They're so uncomfortable about the values of Star Trek that when they kind of do their final fuck you season in series three, they just throw them out the window.

324
00:21:56.940 --> 00:22:00.180
Like, and they don't critique them, they don't examine them.

325
00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:10.619
They don't, you know, they're not saying something about what they are and unwittingly is saying America is right after 911 to do whatever the fuck it wants on the world stage because it's angry.

326
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.380
And I think that's irresponsible.

327
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:20.099
He says that almost word for word is exactly what they were doing in series three.

328
00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:21.539
That's what Billingsley said.

329
00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:22.740
No, that's what Braga says.

330
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:24.359
That's what Braga says.

331
00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:25.680
Yeah, yeah, fuck that.

332
00:22:25.740 --> 00:22:27.119
You know, that's outrageous.

333
00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:28.740
And that's not why we watch Star Trek.

334
00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:31.079
What's interesting is this is why we watch Star Trek.

335
00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:32.519
It's Connor Trinier in a single.

336
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.839
No, it's Dr. Flock.

337
00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:37.319
Oh, did I say Tripp was the best character?

338
00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:42.480
I think Flux is the only character that could jump into one of the other shows and actually, he would be great.

339
00:22:42.539 --> 00:22:43.799
He's really good Yeah.

340
00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:46.680
And it's it's not just the conception of the character.

341
00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:47.460
It's Billingsley.

342
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.460
What's wonderful in that interview is Billingsley is so relaxed.

343
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:55.619
You know, he's just done work, you know, job after job and he doesn't need this.

344
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.839
He chose to do this for a couple of years, you know.

345
00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:08.940
And he's got a lot to say, but he he's talking like you, unfortunately, saying that a night in sick bay and episodes like smaller sort of dramas where they're having a bit of fun.

346
00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:14.039
The characters are hanging out together are sort of the Star Trek that he wanted to tell.

347
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.680
And boys, he got something to say about series 3 as well.

348
00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:19.740
Yeah, yeah, with similar things, I would think.

349
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.960
I think you are exactly on the same line as you two.

350
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.000
Yeah, I think that's right.

351
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:27.420
So this actually manages to be that, though.

352
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:38.400
This is a smaller story that doesn't really go anywhere, but like it doesn't really have anything to say, but because Tripp is mostly like fairly genial, it's actually quite nice.

353
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:42.000
And I do think I get a real sense of this being episode five.

354
00:23:42.059 --> 00:23:44.400
It's maybe the 4th episode, I think, maybe in production.

355
00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:46.859
Like it's very early on.

356
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.579
And so we're just getting these details of the ship and how it works.

357
00:23:50.640 --> 00:24:03.000
And although we've seen starships ever since the 1960s, there's enough sort of difference and, you know, just the physicality of it, you know, a shower, you know, clambering over the warp this detail.

358
00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.440
Why?

359
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:10.740
I get what they went for the gray because it's supposed to be sort of, you know, a sort of, like a sub, yeah, like a submarine.

360
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.079
But it is a very boring colour to look at.

361
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.799
Yeah, and it's Matte as well.

362
00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:17.759
Do you know what I mean?

363
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:19.500
It doesn't look like painted metal.

364
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.660
It doesn't really look like a Sab.

365
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:22.500
They don't really...

366
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:29.339
No, it is sort of painted in boring colours, but they use interesting coloured lights all over the place. shapes as well. weird shapes.

367
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.839
So, we're on board the...

368
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.859
The space name ship.

369
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:35.279
Yep.

370
00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:38.819
The Zerrillian Shot with an X. So you know, you know.

371
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.240
Yep, you know, they are in space. an X and a Y.

372
00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:46.200
And this is a proper attempt to be weird.

373
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.960
This is the bare, the episode awful, actually.

374
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.980
In its direction worked rather well. you know who directed this?

375
00:24:53.039 --> 00:25:00.480
No, it's Michael who has been directing Star Trek throughout the 90s and some of the best ever episodes as well.

376
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:06.240
He did change the face of evil and tacking into the wind in the final DS9 rum.

377
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:09.359
He's, um, I think he did one of the killing game.

378
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:12.000
I think he did the killing game part one. you know?

379
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.299
Like, they usually give him the big sort of epic stories to do.

380
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.880
Um, not so here.

381
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.220
I like the line.

382
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.839
I like the line, I prefer air.

383
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.619
I can't see.

384
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.240
That's pretty good.

385
00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:28.440
The way he goes in and it's all in sort of slow motion.

386
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.319
I thought I thought it's like going through water, isn't it?

387
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:33.839
And that was done extremely well.

388
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:38.759
Look, good boy, good Porthos look. like he likes Porthos.

389
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:40.079
He makes him give a thing.

390
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:41.940
He likes the guy.

391
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.740
No, he's got dogs, right?

392
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.299
It doesn't make him a likeable character.

393
00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:48.000
No, no, but that was kind of cute.

394
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:50.099
That was a cute Porthos moment, I think.

395
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.880
So again, I think this is sort of weird.

396
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.880
You know, like, there's this display with lights.

397
00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:58.140
I know it's basic.

398
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:04.079
I know it's basic, but 90s Star Trek so rarely attempts to make the aliens seem weird.

399
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.960
And here, like this is a boring sound.

400
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:07.920
Look at that.

401
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.799
Look at the cheap plastic tubing everywhere.

402
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.380
Yeah, as usual, it's as cheap as anything.

404
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:23.519
But the aliens look, like, again, Vajar is going on really close on Trinier's face.

405
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.640
And the dialogue is moving very gently.

406
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:27.420
Look at this.

407
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:38.819
Like, look at the when we're looking at what's his face, his name is Tranal with a random... has a genuinely disorienting effect, this sequence.

408
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:39.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

409
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:51.240
And like they've got big giant eyes like they're coked off their brains, so that adds kind of the idea, you know, big pupils, like giant pupils like they're really off their face on something.

410
00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:54.480
They seem to be wearing bin bags, though, as you know.

411
00:26:54.539 --> 00:27:01.380
I mean, the ladies is so tight, it reminds me of 7 of 9 when she was unveiled in her uniform in season four, Voyager.

412
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:03.839
Yeah, see, look at that.

413
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:09.359
I quite like that with the person running their hand over that weird concept. slug creatures going past the window.

414
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:13.079
Yeah, now we're just walking past walking past a tank full of eels.

415
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:15.299
Do you know what I love about that reason and there's no dialogue?

416
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.880
Yeah, that's right.

417
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.519
We brought the eels with us. know, it's a thing.

418
00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.619
We're going to do this amazing specialist.

419
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:23.279
Well, not amazing.

420
00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:26.339
This is reasonable, especially the next shot, and we're not going to explain it at all.

421
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:27.900
Yeah.

422
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.079
Yeah, so this does look really cheap.

423
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:35.759
But it is an attempt to be weird and to make the alien weird.

424
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.920
Yeah, untitled Star Trek project, we like weird.

425
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.200
Star Trek can deal with it.

426
00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.019
It makes a, it really makes a change.

427
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.039
And I quite like how he's losing his shit here.

428
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:50.880
But they keep telling him, go and lie down and you'll feel better.

429
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.619
We've done this a lot of times.

430
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.279
We're good with guests, like, and he's just like, no, no, I'm going to keep going.

431
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.960
And it takes Archer to order him to go to bed before he finally listens.

432
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:09.839
Yeah, I'm not quite sure that what that is, is that just sort of matcho bullshit and you don't pay attention to what the instructions are?

433
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:15.000
Yeah, the week when you were talking about... map, how amazing the Romulan ship design is.

434
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.460
Not Romulans. sorry, the was it Romulan?

435
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:17.700
Yeah.

436
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Warbur.

437
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.000
Yeah, not so here though, eh?

438
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:28.140
I actually don't mind that little weird looking ship, that little slightly yellow, sort of slightly molten looking ship.

439
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.059
I mean, they've done so many at this.

440
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.500
So many alien ships.

441
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.059
How do you do something original now?

442
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:43.559
But like the way he's playing it, he's playing it like he's sort of drug fucked as well, like I'm, you know, that 60s Star Trek in a way.

443
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:48.359
And I think they will use more sort of 60s style stuff.

444
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:52.079
Like when he comes to and everything's is acclimated.

445
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:58.019
By the time we get to season four, you know, we're basically in 60s trek by that point.

446
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.299
Yeah, yeah.

447
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.940
It doesn't always look like 60s trek, though.

448
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:03.660
I think.

449
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.680
Yeah, here we go.

450
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:09.660
I was just telling himself.

451
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.019
Yeah.

452
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, just just to not be a dick, you know, not be a, yeah.

453
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:20.700
And it's a rare moment of archer not being a, you know, stubborn half wit and.

454
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:25.140
Where exactly, do you think these lizards scale on the bow mask scale?

455
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.619
I think they look okay, actually.

456
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.240
I don't think they're too bad.

457
00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:33.539
Um, you know, they're, I don't know.

458
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.539
They're lizard people. they pull it off.

459
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.299
It's totally something you can say in a Star Trek pop.

460
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.039
Yeah, they're lizard people, you know.

461
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.960
Yeah, yeah.

462
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:44.339
She's quite sexy.

463
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.960
Like I kind of buy the relationship that they have, you know, sexy lizard lady.

464
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:49.859
I think that's all right.

465
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.819
The same sort of makeup they use when they burn people's faces, though, as well, you know?

466
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.319
Well, yeah.

467
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.680
It's good to know that the latex industry is still in work, though.

468
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.119
Now DS9 is.

469
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.799
Exactly.

470
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:03.599
Yeah, they're still managing to do something.

471
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:06.960
Yeah, and he wakes up and suddenly the director has calmed down a bit.

472
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:08.519
She's still very oily.

473
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:09.900
There's that red thing.

474
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:17.160
See the red thing that he's sleeping in, which again seems like a very 1960s. but it's cheap but it is like a very 1960s design.

475
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.859
It sort of feels like, you remember the sets in the Thor?

476
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:21.539
It sort of feels a bit like that, you know.

477
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:22.740
Yeah, yeah.

478
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.779
But that's also very 60s I think.

479
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.519
It's also very studio bound as well.

480
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.079
Yeah, yeah.

481
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.759
Well, we'll get...

482
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:37.740
The thing that confused me most about this episode is I figured that the, the, the premise when they started was trip gets pregnant, yeah?

483
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.559
Well, that doesn't occur till halfway through the episode.

484
00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:43.440
The 1st half of the episode is like 1st contact, yeah?

485
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.940
The 2nd half of the episode is tripping.

486
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.019
And it's actually quite agreeable.

487
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.059
I think that maybe they're just a run with this.

488
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.460
All right, it would not be one that we remember still.

489
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:57.539
But I think you then avoid all that sort of hideous pregnancy sitcom nonsense we get in the 2nd half of the episode.

490
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.500
But you see, I think this is quite sexy, isn't it?

491
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:06.420
Enterprise when they start feeding the crew. with the cheese in that other episode.

492
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.759
Yeah, yeah.

493
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.400
I'm starting to figure out what your parents are doing this.

494
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:15.960
He's kind of getting into it and he has this sort of cute thing.

495
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:16.980
Yeah, it's kind of nice.

496
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:23.519
It's just like the physical touch of this species of aliens is kind of pleasurable.

497
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:26.640
As you say at the end of the scene, I think I'm still a little bit thirsty.

498
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.779
Yeah, yeah, it's just like, oh, I've been very dehydrated.

499
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.420
I'm gonna need to be fed a lot more of those water things.

500
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:34.319
This is it.

501
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:36.299
A man needs a lot of fluids when he's under the weather.

502
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.099
So he's really getting into it.

503
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:46.559
And look, like he's really enjoying the kind of centralness of and she's touching his lips and stuff and he's sort of finding her hot and she's a lizard lady.

504
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:47.279
I think that's awesome.

505
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.019
This sort of geniality would have been brilliant.

506
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.839
Was it if it was in Broken Bow in the 1st episode?

507
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:56.880
You needed some of this, you know?

508
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:00.059
He's so charming.

510
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.079
He's so charming.

511
00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:03.420
Oh, here we go on the bridge centre.

512
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:05.160
This boring...

513
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:06.359
It's very dull, isn't it?

514
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.599
Yeah, it is boring. don't know.

515
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:14.519
I'm trying to make a comparison with another one, but it's...

516
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.740
I mean, Voyager's gray, isn't it?

517
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:17.519
I don't know.

518
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.240
I don't know.

519
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:23.519
I mean, they were right to move away from the design language that they had in in next gen and Voyager.

520
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:31.019
You know, they, I think it was time for a freshen up, but it's still the same non-reflective surfaces.

521
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:32.099
It's just the problem.

522
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.720
But then look at those starships they designed in, oh, no, I said, in a different time period.

523
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:44.160
Sorry, I was about to say the Starships they designed in Picard Series 3, which just, they looked very 90s trek, but sort of updated.

524
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:46.319
But they're literally differently.

525
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.819
Yeah, that's the problem.

526
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.500
It's these flat, boring lines.

527
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:54.539
It was when the Enterprise came back in the last couple of episodes and it was that boring hotel lighting again.

528
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.279
I'm like, oh, yes, they got it back again.

529
00:32:56.700 --> 00:33:00.420
But I think they actually managed to make the lighting a bit better.

530
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.940
Like without completely violating the whole idea.

531
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.039
A bit of effort here. switching the lights on and off.

532
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:06.779
There's different coloured gels at work.

533
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.359
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.819
Oh, here we are in the holodeck.

535
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.200
Do you know what?

536
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:14.940
There's a shop down the road for me, right?

537
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.059
It sells gift wrapping that looks just like the inside of that.

538
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:18.599
Yeah.

539
00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:23.039
That's so 60s trend. don't you think it's really 60s?

540
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:25.740
Well, there's a set, isn't it, with a big wall without that exact effect?

541
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:29.039
So here's the problem, right?

542
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.539
This is the problem.

543
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:44.700
So we have this thing, which you're really standing in a room, but the technology is so superb that you think you're outside and you can't tell the difference between being in the room and being outside.

544
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:51.420
And do you know what would have been a absolutely fantastic way of selling that?

545
00:33:51.480 --> 00:34:05.339
It would have been going outside and shooting this scene where they're in the fucking holodeck, whereas what it looks like is a room that's made up to look roughly like it's outside.

546
00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:11.219
You know, like it, they have gotten better at doing this sort of thing.

547
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.300
Why is it so short?

548
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.739
Why is it so bad?

549
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:14.699
They went to a lake.

550
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.380
What if they went to a lake?

551
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.360
I mean Jesus Christ.

552
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.739
Where are they, California?

553
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.840
There must be a lake in California.

554
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:22.980
Yeah.

555
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:30.300
Yeah, like there's that, look, that that painted sky is probably 3 or 4 feet away from them at this point.

556
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.840
Like that's it's pathetic. think.

557
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:38.039
Connor Trenier looks so handsome there, though, with the wind ruffling his hair. so hot.

558
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.840
But yeah, I see what you're saying.

559
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:45.539
It's supposed to be, you know, defying the fact that it's artificial, but it looks so artificial.

560
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:46.619
Yeah, that's right.

561
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.599
How is he convinced by any of this?

562
00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:49.860
Yeah.

563
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.000
Remember the 1st time we saw the holiday in Star Trek the Next Generation?

564
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:56.280
They did location shooting.

565
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:57.179
Exactly.

566
00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:58.139
They did.

567
00:34:58.260 --> 00:34:59.460
They can't get so excited.

568
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.860
I even saw automobiles working.

569
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:05.639
No, no, but what about, well, I mean, that's a backlot thing.

570
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.619
But in, in, in, in...

571
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.719
Yeah, they're outdoors.

572
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.239
See, this is so sexy.

573
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.820
Look, he's having he's smiling.

574
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.159
He's sort of just, it's just cute.

575
00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:19.679
There's something terribly sweet about it.

576
00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:23.880
I've not seen sexier Star Trek, if I'm honest, but they do have some, it's sweet.

577
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:24.840
We say it's sweet.

578
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.880
Yeah, it's sexy for Star Trek, I think.

579
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:29.699
I don't think this is...

580
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:33.719
Except that she has that funny line, like what are the rules?

581
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:40.800
and he says, well, the rules are, no, she says, yeah, the rules are, it doesn't work unless it is for hands involved, so he puts his other hand in.

582
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:42.239
I think that's sort of huge.

583
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.579
Is this what makes him pregnant then, putting his hands in his crystals?

584
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.059
Yeah.

585
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.340
A strange way of procreating, you know?

586
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:55.260
Yeah, but I mean, they also like the touch is pleasurable and they can hear each other's thoughts.

587
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.119
Yeah, look, it takes more hands to work.

588
00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:58.320
Look, and he's smiles.

589
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.940
Like, they're really hitting it off.

590
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.739
Tell you my problem with this scene.

591
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.360
What's that?

592
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:07.079
They just can't leave the fucking holodeck alone, can they?

593
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.099
Yeah.

594
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:13.980
So it's another cliche in an episode that's full of cliches in this bold new direction that Star Trek's taking.

595
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:21.300
And to give Reed the line later where he goes, you know, imagine if we had one of these on the ship and what we could do with it.

596
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.880
Oh, I could not believe it.

597
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.320
Yeah, it's so bad.

598
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:30.719
Doesn't someone, doesn't, isn't the sort of thing, imagine what we could do with it?

599
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:33.420
And then Trinier says, I don't think you can make people.

600
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.199
So clearly they were both thinking we could use it to fuck.

601
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:38.460
Don't you think?

602
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.519
Like, like, well, yeah, isn't they?

603
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.539
You can rely on, DS9, to just be doing sex gags left, right, the centre of the holiday, you know?

604
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.460
It's not this sort of chased one-liners.

605
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:52.139
Don't you remember Mariner has to clean out the whole deck?

606
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:56.159
In lower days.

607
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.900
You know what people do in there?

608
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.340
Just don't go in there with, you know, one of those purple lights, all right?

609
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:06.360
You're having a lot of trouble.

610
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:25.980
So we, so we just had that a very cute thing where he, he said, oh, you find me attractive to her and she replied, you really like it when people find you attractive and then he sort of blushes and he's sort of very cute about it.

611
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.139
You know, I think they hit it off.

612
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:43.260
And that is quite a fun exchange, but like I said to you, off Mike, Wild Ralph, who is very aware of all the cliches of Star Trek, what is this human thing you call love, walked in at exactly that point, where she went, you find me attractive.

613
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.780
I went, oh, God.

614
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.860
I just walked out the room again.

615
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:48.239
He said that to her.

616
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.880
He said that he said that she found him attractive.

617
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:55.079
I think it would have been better if he had been forced to admit that he was attracted to her too.

618
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:58.559
I know I know it's quite amiable.

619
00:37:58.619 --> 00:37:59.519
I know it's quite sweet.

620
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:01.679
But even that, an alien and a human.

621
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.820
But she's like a lizard. like a white guy.

622
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.260
I know I don't know.

623
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:10.079
It just isn't a hint of originality, is there?

624
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:21.599
Yeah, no, but it is that sort of thing where, um, where he can go over and meet these aliens and they can sort of hit it off in this sort of way and that they have a little bit of chemistry and stuff.

625
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:23.159
I think that's kind of cute.

626
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:34.559
I can imagine people switching on to this show that they're sort of advertising as this fresh new Star Trek, watching the 1st couple of strange new worlds with this and just going, oh, no, thank you.

627
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:35.820
This is the same old shit.

628
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.599
Just worse.

629
00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:37.920
I'm gonna turn it off.

630
00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:38.820
Yeah, yeah.

631
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

632
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:52.800
Yeah, I think the holiday thing, like that's ridiculous, but I am convinced that they think that because our characters are encountering a holiday for the 1st time, then somehow that's more interesting.

633
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:54.059
Do you know why I'm angry?

634
00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:01.019
I'm angry because I sat there and watched Brandon Bragger, you know, with his head in his hands and I don't think this is his fault.

635
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.480
This isn't the, this isn't what they want.

636
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:05.699
They didn't want the 1st season on a starship.

637
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.179
They didn't want all the usual cliches, but they were told they had to do it.

638
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.199
So effectively, the studio shot themselves in the head.

639
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:17.280
Well, they would say that for a start, wouldn't they?

640
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:20.579
Like, if it had been successful, I just, I don't want anything about it.

641
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:24.179
I had to go there to face them and have that conversation and apologise.

642
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:27.059
Because he's got the studio to blame.

643
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:41.159
And like, I have to say that if that 1st season of enterprise had just been them building the ship, that that would have been well beyond what they were able to do because all they can do is produce episodic Star Trek.

644
00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:42.599
And so it would have been shit.

645
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.119
Like they've never...

646
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.199
I just think it would have been terrible.

647
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.519
Star Trek.

648
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.960
We've not seen them do anything else.

649
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:50.880
So maybe maybe they could have.

650
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.659
I don't know.

651
00:39:51.719 --> 00:40:00.119
Yeah, but I mean, like even series 3 is still a starship goes somewhere and a thing happens and they resolve it and then they go on to the next thing.

652
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:01.980
But like, here we go.

653
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.380
I'm like, I'm going to drop this in a second.

654
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.420
Unlike DS9, where I had a Paul of writers, I just went, fuck the studio.

655
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.659
Let's just make the show we want to make and let's make it really, really good.

656
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:19.619
This was so tied up in bureaucracy and ill choices and people leaning on the show in the wrong ways.

657
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.139
I don't know if they ever had a chance.

658
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:27.539
No, but I think that there was some fundamental mistakes that Birmingham Braga made.

659
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:32.340
I might have Burma and Braga's fingerprints all over it and whatever they say about studio interference.

660
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.519
It doesn't exonerate them for making a bit of a bad show.

661
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.800
I think it's largely their fault.

662
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.679
I suppose we'll never know, will we?

663
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:50.940
No, but I think all of that stuff about dumbing it down. you know, having characters that are not threateningly intelligent, you know?

664
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:56.820
Do you remember that scene where I'll try to book and a ball in his hands at the same time?

665
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:57.780
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.239
Just to keep it relatable to the American man.

667
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:10.079
Or, you know, when Andreas Katsulis asks him what play of Sophocles would be good to read next and he kind of goes, I think you could work that out for yourself.

668
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:11.519
I just think. yeah you're pathetic.

669
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:13.380
I don't know if you saw that impressive size.

670
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.480
I'm kind of Trinier's bulge in his underwear then.

671
00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.380
I did.

672
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.820
I was actually looking at it.

673
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.079
There it is.

674
00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:20.039
Yeah, there it is.

675
00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:20.699
You can see it.

676
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.440
Excuse me, I'm just gonna...

677
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:26.519
I'm hiring up as Dr. Fox's medical assistant.

678
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:27.119
Okay?

679
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:31.139
Well, you can see why the lizard lady got so excited.

680
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.159
So, so here's another...

681
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.000
I know.

682
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:40.559
I can't think about the dialogue anymore. blushing a little bit.

683
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.239
He is so handsome.

684
00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:47.639
Suddenly, it's showing very relatable, you know?

685
00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

686
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:52.380
It's but it's not it's not just that he's attractive.

687
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.219
Like, he's a little bit kind of white bred.

688
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.059
You know, he's a little bit more clean cut than I normally like.

689
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.659
I think he's terribly attractive, but I think he's charming as hell.

690
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.840
Like, I just think he's absolutely as charming as hell.

691
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.420
What really works about his character is he is.

692
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.019
I think it racist to start off with. you know he's got all these preconceptions.

693
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:18.780
And actually, as we go through the series, a lot of them are confronted and he comes out a better person as a result.

694
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:23.340
Well, even in this episode, he says, this is why I joined Starfleet.

695
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.179
I went over there.

696
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.559
I met these aliens.

697
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:27.000
I had a really interesting time.

698
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:27.960
I learned from them.

699
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:29.760
I did a thing I helped out.

700
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.420
I came back.

701
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.320
This is why I joined or the service or whatever it is, not Starfleet.

702
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:35.400
But do you know what I mean?

703
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:42.659
Like, this is a very Star Trek premise and it was, it was executed in a very Star Trek way.

704
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.659
And then I think this is all a bit stupid.

705
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.940
And I think part of the reason is this, right?

706
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:56.099
That they dismiss in a line, the possibility of destroying the blast acist because it's in his pericardium or something.

707
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:01.739
So it's, it's, it's in a place where it can't be removed safely by them.

708
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.699
Okay.

709
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:12.539
So there's no chance of aborting it because this is American television and you know, we can't depict people having abortions because we're absolute religious maniacs.

710
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:25.980
And, and then, Then there's this shame about being impregnated and the Klingon laughs at him about being impregnated and he's kind of embarrassed by it.

711
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:31.320
And there are women on the ship and women get impregnated and why is that humiliating?

712
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:34.980
You get impregnated and that's humiliating because women get impregnated?

713
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.820
Fuck that.

714
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.460
That I, that's dreadful.

715
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:39.719
I think that's dreadful.

716
00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:46.260
And, you know, obviously there's all sorts of trans issues that are just completely, we're completely unaware.

717
00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:48.300
Or even thinking about, whatever.

718
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:49.440
They're not in thinking.

719
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.039
No, that's right.

720
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:52.619
This is a very, very cis heterosexual shock.

721
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.760
Oh, I don't even think a lot of that was in the ether back then, you know, not like it's discussed now.

722
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.079
No, no, no.

723
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.340
Of course people were.

724
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:02.579
But it wasn't in the public's consciousness like it has been in the last sort of 5 years.

725
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:02.940
Sure.

726
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.440
That's true.

727
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:10.980
But I just kind of, that annoys me.

728
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.039
The thing that annoys me even more is it could have been worse.

729
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:18.780
Like, I think it's it's gently mocking, whereas it could have been profit and lace, you know?

730
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:22.260
Yeah, but it is that thing.

732
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.320
It's humiliating to be put in the position of a woman who gets impregnated who gets pregnant.

733
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:33.599
That's humiliating for a man, even though, like, in straight couples.

734
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:34.679
Do you know what I mean?

735
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:42.960
Like women get pregnant and that's not embarrassing or humiliating, but you, you know, because men are better than women or something.

736
00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:44.099
Like it's so...

737
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.840
I don't think I've ever seen the male pregnancy and it's happened in a couple of shows I've watched.

738
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:50.760
It's never been done well.

739
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.119
No, because it is, isn't it funny?

740
00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:59.579
Women are kind of a bit crap and he's a man being humiliated by being put into that position.

741
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.739
And like he's worrying about.

742
00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:06.960
They were obviously going to lean into the cliches, you know, so suddenly he's irrational and emotional.

743
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:08.280
So his emotion.

744
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:09.659
Yeah, yeah.

745
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.760
And here he's worried about what happens if a little kid, you know, is in this...

746
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.139
Yeah, yeah.

747
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.820
Like, for goodness sake.

748
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.119
They should have made him carry it to town. you. worried about that.

749
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:22.199
Like, what the fuck?

750
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.880
And why are they designing a handwriter like that?

751
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:25.559
At least we were...

752
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:28.079
We didn't have to watch the, you know, the birth sequence.

753
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

754
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:35.159
Although the end of this plot where she just goes, oh, yeah, we can take it out. don't worry I was like, yeah, yeah.

755
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:35.699
Okay.

756
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:37.559
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:39.000
But what else are they going to do?

758
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:40.380
Like, they've got to be back.

759
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.119
He's got to be back on board next week.

760
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:43.920
Well, I was trying to figure a through line for this.

761
00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:47.699
So like from the beginning of the episode to the end, what trip is learning?

762
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.019
And what we are learning as an audience about this whole audience.

763
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.340
No, I don't think we're learning anything.

764
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.860
No, no, I don't think that's wearing baggy clothes now.

765
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.159
Look.

766
00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:58.019
It's got his maternity shirt.

767
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.059
Yeah, that's right.

768
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.599
And it's this tiny thing. like those are not very tight fitting uniforms.

769
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:09.119
I think you could conceal that little bump.

770
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:16.380
Even these things, you often have these sequences where Archer invites people over for dinner and they have, you know, nice conversation around the table.

771
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:23.579
Ah, I prefer the DSR approach where you get some round and they're all sort of making the dinner together, you know, and it's, it feels so much...

772
00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:24.900
The strange new worlds approach.

773
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.179
Yeah, well, that's but they did it in GS9 first.

774
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:32.699
And they do it brilliantly as well, where it feels like a family, whereas it just feels like a formal dinner, you know?

775
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.019
Yeah, yeah.

776
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:36.719
Yeah, yeah.

777
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:41.039
And like now he's like, I was just waiting for him to order ice cream with pickles on it.

778
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:42.179
Do you know what I mean?

779
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.800
Like I just thought it was going to be just every cliche of every sitcom pregnancy.

780
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:52.019
Like, I just don't know what the point of this is. you know, it was bound to be offensive.

781
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.679
Um, and, oh, Jesus Christ, the nipples on his...

782
00:46:58.739 --> 00:47:06.420
I mean, you did say to me, didn't you, when I said this, you started quoting those lines from insurrection about boobs being firmer.

783
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.639
I mean, that is sort of cute and funny.

784
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:11.099
But like, that or insurrection?

785
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.539
No, the, like the, like that could have been funny.

786
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.119
That's a weird Star Treky thing to happen.

787
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:21.840
That's not sort of, you know, but it doesn't work.

788
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:26.460
And because the whole tone of the thing is sort of horribly wrong at this point.

789
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.519
Like, what is delivering the baby?

790
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:32.519
And he's got looks like a little... like he's just swallowed down shit or something.

791
00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:34.139
Like, that's so cool.

792
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.000
Women go through that all the time, mate.

793
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:36.420
All right.

794
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.380
Yeah, yeah.

795
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
And it would have actually been better.

796
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.099
It hints at it.

797
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.699
He's less distressed by it than he could have been.

798
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.079
This could have been worse.

799
00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:56.579
But if this was just, oh, wow, whoops, this is a thing that can happen with aliens and if no one is like, it's not funny that they're losing their shit over it.

800
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.639
It's not funny that it's 3 men.

801
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:02.579
Well, I don't know.

802
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:08.699
I think I think it would have been more, I don't know.

803
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.420
Did you see that?

804
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:11.820
How's he going to be able to hide his bulge?

805
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.019
We weren't doing that earlier.

806
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:15.599
No, that's right.

807
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:19.380
Oh, and then we're talking, then we're doing the dialogue.

808
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:26.940
He's saying that as the guy comes in as the the servant, the yeoman comes in to bring in their breadsticks or whatever.

809
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.360
I just say, because I have been very hard on surprise in this episode.

810
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:35.099
It's one thing I really like about it. and it's not just because I'm a gay man who fancies men.

811
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.679
But the way they objectify the men on this show in the way that original series did with women.

812
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.900
I actually think that's quite nice.

813
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.139
Uh, but I don't think they do it.

814
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.420
Like, I don't think they have the men that pretty.

815
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:48.960
I don't know.

816
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:50.820
Conish is very pretty.

817
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.219
Connor Tranier is, yeah.

818
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.059
But certainly current Star Trek, Kurtzman Trek has prettier man.

819
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:57.900
That's very true.

820
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.820
There's not, didn't too bad, you know.

821
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.099
Cisco?

822
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:02.880
Come on, maybe.

823
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:04.920
Sorry, quick, get us back on track.

824
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:11.519
Anthony Montgomery is a very handsome man. there you go Yes, that's true.

825
00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:12.059
That's true.

826
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.179
Oh my God, it's a poles in your chair already, Kira, to wait 4 seasons.

827
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.780
Well, she's 2nd in command.

828
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.260
Okay, so this...

829
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:27.960
Now the Klingons come along to add a bit of false jeopardy and none of that works, either.

830
00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:28.500
I don't think.

831
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:35.579
No, they're just like the intransigent aliens of the week, but it is also our 1st sort of proper encounter with the Klingons, isn't it?

832
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:40.019
Or we've, it sounds like we've had a Klingon on the Earth, isn't it, in the 1st episode?

833
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:42.239
Yes, they capture.

834
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:44.699
Yeah, that's right.

835
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:45.420
That's right.

836
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:46.559
Klingon lands on Earth.

837
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.679
Yes, and there is a reference to that here.

838
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:50.880
I was wondering where it is.

839
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:55.079
I do think, again, this is going back to original trade.

840
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.820
There's primitive Klingon ship designs.

841
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.900
Yeah, great.

842
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:58.320
Yeah.

843
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.360
And that ship design is kind of used.

844
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:04.320
Like they have the bird of prey, but they also have this shaped theme.

845
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:05.519
That actually not the close-up.

846
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.320
The nice CGI shot as well, I think.

847
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.800
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it was a cartoon, but yeah, it's quite detailed.

848
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:11.400
Yeah.

849
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:18.420
But this sequence, like, you brought up earlier, where they start laughing the Red Soft about the fact that he's pregnant.

850
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:19.500
It's so distasteful.

851
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.239
Yeah, it's great.

852
00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:23.039
Are we supposed be laughing along with them?

853
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.400
Yeah, is it funny that he's been...

854
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.159
All these men are laughing at the fact that a man is pregnant?

855
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.139
Yeah, yeah.

856
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:38.820
Okay, you know, I just, I did just try and make a defence of Braga and Burman, but I think, you know, there's also this.

857
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:45.539
Yeah, look, there's less of it than I expected, but there is still enough of it to annoy the hell out of me, though.

858
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:51.059
Well, because sort of the pregnancy thing is sort of a 10 minutes towards the end of the episode.

859
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.880
You do wonder, what's the point of that?

860
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.860
It's the title.

861
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.480
Like, it's more than 10 minutes.

862
00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:59.760
It's like nearly half the episode.

863
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:01.980
Um, but yeah.

864
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.179
But of course, as well, we had to have a bit of action, didn't we?

865
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.519
I shot fired and yeah, yeah, yeah.

866
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:11.039
It's like the, that's okay. like have action.

867
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:14.460
You remember all those sort of sitcom episodes of DSNI we watched where there's none of that?

868
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:16.679
And it's just perfectly agreeable to watch.

869
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:25.260
But I bet if you went and watched every Enterprise episode, I bet there is an action sequence in every single episode, whether it's needed or not.

870
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.179
I'm not against action.

871
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.980
No.

872
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:58.139
But I have to say that anyone who complains about discoveries, Klingons or um, Star Trek beyond like the, um, other Star Trek films, Klingons should have to watch this because it's like it's now year 15 of these fucking Klingons and they're so played and they're so tired and there's nothing alien or interesting about them anymore because we've just done them to death.

873
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:02.219
You know, we have to do them now and they're just super boring.

874
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.659
Like they're just.

875
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:08.099
Well, you sort of have the Klingons turning up here and it is just like this, these sort of random characters.

876
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:15.059
You had them turning up in Voyager in prophecy when they thought Belana Torres's baby was the sacred prophet of the Klingons.

877
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.380
What are you doing with this?

878
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:22.440
The last time they were interesting was when we talked about it in the Purpatory Shadow was when you had Wharf and Martog.

879
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:27.119
And it was about the relationship rather than the race, you know?

880
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:31.199
No, it's just this sort of boring crap, you know.

881
00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:37.139
And like he says something about Stovacor as well, and I kind of think, oh, come on, fuck off.

882
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.519
And I hate to say this, but this is now a cliche number, you know, what, five, 6 in this episode?

883
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.860
Yeah, yeah, there we go.

884
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.420
There's Stoker.

885
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.300
Oh, and there's Hoshi explaining that it means the afterlife.

886
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:49.139
Like, really, go away.

887
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.699
Well, it's nice that you got a life.

888
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.500
Yeah, that's true.

889
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.019
I don't think Andy Montgomery said a thing, yeah.

890
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.659
Apart from, you know, what for, sir?

891
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

892
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.000
No, both of them have just said functional dialogue and that's all.

893
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:11.159
He should have said exactly what Tim Ross said in that interview, you know, is that the one where I said, they're approaching us on a course, captain.

894
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.840
I love that episode, you know?

895
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:20.880
So is, is it in Broken Bow Part 2 that um, Archer goes to the Klingon home world?

896
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.199
Yeah, it is.

897
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:27.059
Yeah, to take that. spectacular CGI shot, as you saw earlier.

898
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:29.519
Right, brilliant.

899
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:35.159
Like, I don't, I don't want to piss anymore, but that is, hey, really terrible pilot.

900
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:36.000
Broken bow.

901
00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:36.719
Is it?

902
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:37.079
Yeah.

903
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.159
I have seen it.

904
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:38.760
I have seen it.

905
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:44.219
I think I think the levels of races have displayed in that would really turn anybody off.

906
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.019
Unfortunately, show.

907
00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:48.360
Yeah.

908
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.820
Oh, here we go now. thought that was a good idea.

909
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.079
I did find out he's pregnant.

910
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:53.639
Laughter and shoes.

911
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:54.659
Ah.

912
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:58.019
Like, this is the climax of the bloody story.

913
00:53:58.139 --> 00:53:59.460
Yeah, yeah.

914
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.119
Yeah.

915
00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:05.880
So, and it's the holography thing.

916
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:18.360
Like, so so human beings encounter the holodeck in 2151, and yet Picard is super surprised by it in like 23, whatever.

917
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:26.699
And like, that doesn't matter. like whatever, but it doesn't really make a great deal of sense and it's sort of super boring.

918
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:43.380
Like it actually makes a holodeck even more boring because it's a thrilling news technological development in series one of Star Trek, but it turns out that it's already existed for 100s of years and like whatever, you know, we gave it to some Klingons so that they could look at their house.

919
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.480
There's that stupid line where, um, what's his name?

920
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.239
Vorox says, oh, I can see my house from here.

921
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:57.420
Well, the shame is, um, do you remember we watched the masterpiece society recently?

922
00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:03.059
And we were sort of bemoaning the lack of chemistry between Troy and what was his name?

923
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:03.960
Kevin Darren.

924
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:05.760
It was some...

925
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.119
Thank you.

926
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.000
I knew it was a very plain name.

927
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:10.739
Sorry to any hours listening.

928
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:19.679
But what you had here was 2 actors with genuine chemistry at the beginning of the episode and we've abandoned that for this.

929
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.900
Look, there's, like, it doesn't even look like he's pregnant.

931
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:25.800
Showing off his abs.

932
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:27.360
What's he being what's he being ashamed of?

933
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.400
It's so chaste, isn't it?

934
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:31.199
Yeah.

935
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:34.559
They should have given a massive stomach, yeah.

936
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.360
Yeah.

937
00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.280
Like they're so timid about it.

938
00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:43.079
It's supposed to be funny and it's supposed to be humiliating for him and stuff, but like what?

939
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:56.579
Okay, I could just genuinely, what I want to do is have a peek into the room of somebody, you know, new to enterprise back in the day when this 1st came out watching this and seeing their reaction to it.

940
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:58.980
What the hell is going on here?

941
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:03.900
And so there's a failure to be about anything. isn't there?

942
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.519
Like, they bring the Klingons back in.

943
00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:10.500
And at this point, the show is mostly invested in just being Star Trek.

944
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:12.239
Like it doesn't have anything.

945
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:16.079
I'm going to say something that you're really going to dislike.

946
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:28.019
At least, and I know this a 1000000 problems with this episode, at least profit and lace, came to a conclusion where he says, I've learned to be more empathetic.

947
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:28.739
I've learned this.

948
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.280
She says, well, you made a terrible son, but a wonderful daughter.

949
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:35.699
Like, but they do try and tie it up.

950
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.260
There's no Apple.

951
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:37.860
Yeah, yeah.

952
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.960
But this isn't about anything.

953
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:47.039
And you know, of course, the profit and lace doesn't go anywhere because he never actually genuinely shows anymore empathy or anything afterwards.

954
00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:49.739
False sequences in that episode.

955
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.340
Yeah.

956
00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:50.579
Yeah.

957
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.920
That's Ira Bear, you know, what was going on there?

958
00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:55.500
Yeah, dreadful.

959
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:56.880
We did let heal about it as well.

960
00:56:56.940 --> 00:56:58.980
We had his moments, Captain's holiday.

961
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.659
Oh my god.

962
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.440
Look at this. in a amazing city in the far distance.

963
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.280
In the far distance, just predicted on the wall behind us.

964
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:12.059
I've seen backcloths in the 60s Doctor Who that look more convincing than that shot.

965
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:18.360
No, like that is a nice CG shot with like with real practical moments.

966
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:22.320
No, it's a it's a nicely designed shop, but they're just matted into it.

967
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:28.019
Like, you know, like they're standing in front of a... renders the shock.

968
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:29.820
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

969
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.639
No, no, it's a pretty design, but it's just a shitty shot.

970
00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:43.860
And the whole point of it is let's show how realistic holography is and it just looks like a cheap scene from a sort of crappy 90s Star Trek show, you know?

971
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.579
You see that?

972
00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:47.039
We have no interesting meeting you again, humans.

973
00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:48.360
Yeah, you know.

974
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:56.880
The only thing worse than spending 3 hours in a decompression bay is watching this episode twice in a day.

975
00:57:56.940 --> 00:57:59.760
I did watch this episode twice.

976
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:03.179
This is the 3rd time I've done it a week.

977
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.840
The things I do for the podcast.

978
00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:08.400
Oh my god.

979
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:17.940
And I quite like this too, where Archer is about to, like, he thinks that he's very highly regarded in the Klingon Empire.

980
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:23.519
And Paul says, no, I was just bullshitting.

981
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:29.519
You know, I forgot to mention my favourite line in the whole episode.

982
00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:38.099
The one bit that made me laugh was when Tapol says to Tripp, and she's still being a prick, but she goes, you should, um, oh, what is it she says?

983
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.400
You should be careful where you stick your hands or something. you put stick hands?

984
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:43.440
No, you said that before we pressed by.

985
00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:49.079
And I said, because it's one of her lines that should end with the words, you fucking idiot.

986
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

987
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.900
Off they go into the distance, having...

988
00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:55.739
Not exciting adventures.

989
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.099
Nothing.

990
00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:08.519
We've just mashed together a whole bunch of Star Treky things. from the future of the program and we've managed to be less offensive than you might have expected about trips pregnancy.

991
00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:10.019
I'm sorry.

992
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.440
I love it when you deliver fake breaks.

993
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.460
We've managed to be less offensive than you feared we would be.

994
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.500
Yeah, that's right.

995
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:20.940
Well, there you go.

996
00:59:21.179 --> 00:59:23.579
What an achievement.

997
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:32.880
But I genuinely think maybe the 1st 15 minutes of that or maybe the 1st half of it is substantially better.

998
00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:37.199
And then the whole thing just goes to hell because essentially there's nowhere to go.

999
00:59:37.260 --> 00:59:43.199
The pregnancy thing is just stupid and like, what are we going to do with that?

1000
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:48.000
And so it turns out we just bring Klingons in for some jeopardy and like what?

1001
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:48.960
I don't know.

1002
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:52.019
I suggest the 1st 15 minutes were inoffensive.

1003
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.760
And I think that's being kind.

1004
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:57.119
Whereas the last half an hour was just a bit tedious.

1005
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:11.940
But it did some things that I like, which was it showed us why we're out here, you know, that this is why we're here and what our mission is, and it showed Connor's character really enjoying that.

1006
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:13.800
For the 1st time as well.

1007
01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:17.340
Yeah, it had some really attempts at weird visuals.

1008
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.659
There was chemistry between him and the guest actor, you know, I thought that was good.

1009
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:26.639
You're right about the facts that we're only just exploring these sets for the 1st time.

1010
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:32.099
Like, we're not watching this our order, but at this point in the show's run.

1011
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.599
If you're watching them in order, then we're like, okay, we want to see the ship and we want to...

1012
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:37.079
Yeah, yeah.

1013
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:38.159
So there is that.

1014
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:38.699
And I like that.

1015
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:44.519
But I'm telling you now, we'll stop this recording and I won't remember this in half an hour's time.

1016
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:47.699
No, I think I'm faded to remember it.

1017
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:51.719
I think I'll be thinking about this episode on my deathbed.

1018
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:55.800
Can I ask you, we never do this sort of thing, and I know you don't like doing this sort of thing.

1019
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:59.219
But like, where does this one fall in the sort of enterprises that we've done?

1020
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:04.380
cogenitor, Strange New World, the two-parter Terra Prime.

1021
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.260
Yeah, I mean, Terra Prime is a better.

1022
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.480
You know, they've learned how to make enterprise at that point.

1023
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:10.739
It's boring in some way.

1024
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.320
But it's cough, but I thought it was, you know, substantially better.

1025
01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:14.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1026
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.239
I think it's competent.

1027
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:17.460
Cogenitor's more interesting. things going for.

1028
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:29.579
Cogenitor is a better hour of television that has a clear idea of what it wants to do, but what it wants to do is absolutely fucked and it's a, it's a disgrace.

1029
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.780
I think it's, say, a night in Sick Bay is still the best enterprise we've watched.

1030
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.780
I think a night in Sick Bay is the best enterprise.

1031
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.699
You are so contrary, I swear.

1032
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.440
It's really fun.

1033
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:41.880
They chase a bat.

1034
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:47.699
Hoshi gets to do something. like there's all sorts of functions. light in it. and I know they acknowledge that a lot.

1035
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.599
It's an episode about what an asshole archery.

1037
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:52.559
So I thought it was really good.

1038
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:53.880
About time somebody said it.

1039
01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:59.460
Yeah, but I think cogenitor is good, but I think cogenitor is so unstar treky and so gross.

1040
01:01:59.579 --> 01:02:04.260
Like the politics of it are so bad that I just can't like it.

1041
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:05.340
It made me furious.

1042
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:11.159
What's frustrating is we haven't had an out and out win, I don't think. yeah.

1043
01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:11.820
No.

1044
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.159
And I think there are a couple in there.

1045
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:16.079
So I'm hoping we do at some point.

1046
01:02:16.139 --> 01:02:19.019
It would be real nice to just fully endorse this show.

1047
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:20.280
It's like, you know what?

1048
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.059
This is a good example.

1049
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.739
Have they all been as good as this?

1050
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.420
We might have had a winner on our ass.

1051
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:25.320
Yeah.

1052
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:27.900
Look, like, I don't know.

1053
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.739
It was all right.

1054
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.000
Like nobody died.

1055
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:32.340
Stop it.

1056
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.800
Half-heart compliments.

1057
01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:56.519
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next time, and it's my go on the button, so I'm here at Untitled Star Trek Project.com slash Randomiser, and I want you to ask me what we're doing.

1058
01:02:56.579 --> 01:02:59.820
Oh, Nathan, what are we going to be doing next week?

1059
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.019
Which shows are we covering?

1060
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.599
So I have done this before.

1061
01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:08.519
We are going to watch an animated episode of Star Trek.

1062
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.519
Does that include prodigy?

1063
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:13.980
So animated series.

1064
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:18.179
Short Treks has 2 or 3 animated things, so I've included that.

1065
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.000
Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek Prodigy.

1066
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:22.019
Okay.

1067
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:22.860
Yeah.

1068
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.639
So it'll be one of those. whether it's good or not, who can say?

1069
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.920
I mean, by a law of odds, we'll get an animated series episode because there's more of those than the others put together.

1070
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:33.420
Let's go.

1071
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.920
We've only ever done one animated series one, and this is episode 69.

1072
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.380
Star Trek project, I think.

1073
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.539
I gave that free stars, you know.

1074
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:47.760
Oh, God, but he gave Wolf in the fold 3 stars as well. right.

1075
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:57.179
Okay, your random Star Trek prodigy episode is Dreamcatcher, which is season one, episode four.

1076
01:03:57.300 --> 01:04:00.059
I have no idea what happened.

1077
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:02.760
We've done 2 projects, we've done 2 of 10, haven't we?

1078
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:04.500
Yeah, no, there's 20.

1079
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:06.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:09.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah. they did the 2nd half of the season.

1081
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.380
So they did a split 1st season of 10 episodes each.

1082
01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:17.219
And it comes to a conclusion and a really lovely conclusion. actually.

1083
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.699
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do next, but it was pretty good.

1084
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:22.679
I haven't watched it through.

1085
01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:26.579
I probably should have, but I really liked what I saw or why I've seen so far.

1086
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:34.619
Well, I won't rule out prodigy, but it might be nice to do one from the 2nd half of the season where things have shaken up a bit.

1087
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:38.880
Things change a little bit in that 2nd half and I think that'll be interesting to talk about.

1088
01:04:38.940 --> 01:04:40.800
Okay, so press the button again.

1089
01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:45.420
Uh, time amuck, uh, which we've done?

1090
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.019
We did Untitle Star Trek Project, episode 22.

1091
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:53.099
I do love the fact that a randomiser tells you that as well.

1092
01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:56.880
Yes, yeah, I like to advertise our show.

1093
01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:00.300
So this one's called Preludes, and I think we'll do this.

1094
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.780
This is season one, episode 16 of Prodigy.

1095
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:09.119
So this is in the 2nd half of the 1st season in the in the split.

1096
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.920
So things have moved on a little bit.

1097
01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:12.360
You'll get it.

1098
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.800
You know, it's a kids' show.

1099
01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:15.119
It's not going to be hard to follow.

1100
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:20.280
But I think it takes an interesting tack and we're nearing the end.

1101
01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.559
So it ends in episode 20.

1102
01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:28.199
What are the odds of putting all of those in and getting 3 prodigies coming up?

1103
01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:29.039
back to back.

1104
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:30.059
I'll show you.

1105
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:30.840
I swear.

1106
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.460
I don't know. you a liar.

1107
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:33.420
I've collected them.

1108
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.780
Yeah, it's just luck, you know. what are you going to do?

1109
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.880
Or JavaScript, pseudo.

1110
01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:40.500
Oh, they got sub rose at once, you know?

1111
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.480
The randomiser is eclectic.

1112
01:05:42.539 --> 01:05:44.280
Yeah, it loves us.

1113
01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:46.079
All right, so let's do that.

1114
01:05:46.139 --> 01:05:49.980
I mean, it's more Janeway, more hologram, hologrammatic Janeway.

1115
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.780
Much more Jane...

1116
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.639
I can't remember.

1117
01:05:53.699 --> 01:06:05.099
He isn't in it in person, but he might be in it in flashback or as a hologram at some point, but he's not in any major way, I don't think, but Janeway is...

1118
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.920
Murth episode, you know, going into all of his backstory.

1119
01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:08.940
He's my favourite.

1120
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:09.840
I love it.

1121
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:11.099
He's so good.

1122
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:11.940
He's so good.

1123
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:22.800
That amazing bit, the pilot where they're trying to escape the mining colony or wherever it was, and they had the ship's blowing up, and, you know, they're in terrible danger, and Murph just slides across the bridge.

1124
01:06:22.860 --> 01:06:25.440
It was so funny. so great.

1125
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:26.639
So much.

1126
01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:29.280
Okay, well, I can't wait because we barely touch this.

1127
01:06:29.340 --> 01:06:31.260
So I think there's plenty to talk about.

1128
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:32.820
Brilliant.

1129
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:33.300
Excellent.

1130
01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:46.500
Let's do it You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1131
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:52.980
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook and YouTube channel.

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01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:58.380
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisserin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

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01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:04.079
This episode was recorded on the 5th of June 2023 and released on the 16th of June.

1134
01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:08.400
We'll see you next time for Star Trek prodigy and news.

1135
01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:29.099
You know, the next episode, you know, it's all about Anthony Montgomery's character.

1136
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.559
It's the one episode he got in the four year rum.

1137
01:07:31.619 --> 01:07:33.119
Oh, okay.

1138
01:07:33.179 --> 01:07:34.380
Does he have a brother or something?

1139
01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:38.280
He's, what was he, a boomer?

1140
01:07:38.340 --> 01:07:41.039
I think it's a fella, a fella boomer comes along or something.

1141
01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:41.519
Yeah, okay.

1142
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:42.300
It's very boring.

1143
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:45.239
Yeah, okay, it's season one of Enterprise.

1144
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:46.079
I don't remember.

1145
01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:46.860
Yeah.

1146
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.860
Let's see.

1147
01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:52.500
All right.

1148
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.519
Do you know what?

1149
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:59.159
The more I think about it, the more the half-hearted compliments you throw at terrible episodes.

1150
01:07:59.219 --> 01:08:02.400
I think they're the funniest moments of this podcast.

1151
01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:08.519
A bit in dramatic persona where you went, yeah, well, you wanted to learn how to tell the time.

1152
01:08:08.579 --> 01:08:09.719
Sorry, made a...

1153
01:08:09.900 --> 01:08:15.900
He didn't know what time it was. and he really would quite like to know.

1154
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.300
Oh, dear, oh, dear.

1155
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:21.960
Yeah, you are right.

1156
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.399
It could have been a lot worse.

1157
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.939
Yeah, I thought it was gonna be much more offensive than that.

1158
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.300
Wait till you watch the wrong wet. goes through Pomphar.

1159
01:08:30.539 --> 01:08:33.359
He like wants to fuck everyone on the show.

1160
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:34.920
But it's all filmed like a horror movie.

1161
01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:40.859
Like a sexually voracist woman is something to fear.

1162
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.060
Oh, dear.

1163
01:08:45.180 --> 01:08:45.659
Okay.

1164
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:46.800
What are we gonna do?

1165
01:08:49.979 --> 01:08:52.500
I should look at what we've done.

1166
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.420
What did we do last week?

1167
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.760
we did Picard. last week.

1168
01:08:56.819 --> 01:09:00.180
We did this now the week before, but a bit of a run of 90s.

1169
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:01.739
Oh, no, we did TOS the week before, sorry.

1170
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.039
Yeah, we have actually mixed it up a bit, aren't we, the last couple?

1171
01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:07.979
I've got one.

1172
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:16.380
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next.