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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are very early on in Star Trek Enterprise this week, and in

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fact...

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Dangerous Waters.

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Yeah, yeah, we are one episode after Strange New World, which is

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the 1st episode of Enterprise we ever did. did we find that a

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absolute...

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And now I remember.

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In fact, that was the point where I was like, no one's going to

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listen to this anymore because we are slagging off star.

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I mean, honestly, we did not have one good word to say during that

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episode.

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Not one.

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Just you saying one of my favourites.

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That was it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this, I think, is actually quite a bit better.

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And I imagine this is one that people hate and rightly so in all

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sorts of ways, but I have to say that I thought it was sort of

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reasonably amiable and sort of inoffensive.

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I, you know, well, mildly offensive a little bit later on, but it

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certainly begins amiable, which is actually your word.

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I don't think it ever gets offensive to the levels that we've been

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offended by enterprise before.

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Oh, no, I was expecting much worse.

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Yeah.

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I still think that's fame praise.

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I think a lot of people consider this to be one of, if not the

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worst episode of the season, and I don't think that's the case at

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all.

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I struggled with this, didn't I?

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Because I watched it and I said, gee, that was quite fun.

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And then about an hour later, I messaged you and I said, I cannot

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remember a thing about that episode.

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I don't know what I'm going to.

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So I had to watch it again today, sort of about an hour ago, just

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to remind myself of, and I think there are definitely things to

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say about this and about how they are forming this show.

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Yeah.

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But insubstantial is what I would say about this.

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Like, I'm not sure what point it's trying to make.

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I don't think it's making a point.

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I think it is just, it does just have no ambitions beyond being a

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Star Trek episode and it manages that.

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I think that baffles me the most is that Bourbon and Bragger have

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been churning out Star Trek for over a decade at this point, yeah?

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Yep.

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And everything from, you know, terrible to absolute classics. and

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they've both been involved with both.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So they should have a really good grasp on how to make Star Trek

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at this point.

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So why in this 1st season does it feel like this is 2 people that

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have just come together and decided to make Star Trek that I've

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never touched it before and they're making one stupid mistake

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after another?

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What, why is that?

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I think it's because they think that Star Trek is too nerdy and

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that it doesn't have the ability to appeal to a mass audience.

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And so they're trying to make it less, you know, just less like

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you have to have read lots of memory alpha pages to understand

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what's going on.

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So they bring it into a new setting, you know, like the 24th

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century is kind of a bit overplayed at this point.

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So we're bringing it down.

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We're having much, much less kind of backstory, and we're making

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the story simpler.

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But I think the whole thing is kind of undermined by the fact that

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they try not to write space people from the 24th century and they

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fail.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like these are not like chilled, relaxed people.

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Although with some exceptions, I think, in the cast, but generally

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speaking, they're still Star Trek people.

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And I think that it gives them license to forget everything that

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we've seen for the last 14 years.

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And so here, for instance, we're supposed to get tremendously

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excited by the holodeck because our characters have... can they?

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No.

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But we 1st saw one 14 years ago and we've seen any number of

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holodeck episodes and we've made jokes about it.

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If there were memes back then we would have made them.

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And so it flops.

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You know, it's just like last week when we had the away mission.

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It's kind of like, well, this is our 478th away mission in Star

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Trek so far because it's there 1st doesn't make it exciting to

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us.

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I mean, did they think just because they're making a new Star Trek

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show that there was going to be a whole new audience watching it?

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Because the pattern was, TNG was enormously popular, had great

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numbers.

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They started dwindling with DS9.

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They dwindled even further with Voyager.

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And now here we are in Enterprise in the death bros of our viewing

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audience.

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Yeah.

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But they must have known that it was Star Trek fans that were

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going to watch this.

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Star Trek fans that had seen the last 15 years.

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Yeah, but I think that they wanted to get a broader audience in

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and I think they fail.

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And I think they fail surprisingly in a way that, for instance

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strange new worlds succeeds.

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You know, Stranger Worlds is trying to be a new Star Trek show.

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And because, like, its stories are sort of reasonably simple and

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Star Trek-y.

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You know, they've been sort of fairly straightforward.

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I was thinking about episode two, which I think is called Children

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of the Comet, that beautiful overall one.

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Astonishing.

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Yeah, but the thing that Strange New Worlds got so right.

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The Enterprise got so wrong.

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And I don't think it's the car's fault is that these characters

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are just so boring.

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You know, that's right.

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I think that's it.

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How they react to things.

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It just isn't exciting to watch in a way that like I talked about

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the characters in DS9 a couple of weeks back.

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They were so vivid and the personalities were so big and all the

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different combinations.

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It just, the characters are absolutely the strongest thing there.

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They're the weakest thing here.

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So you have weak characters and you're doing the same old going

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through the motions with the plots.

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What is there to grab hold of?

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And that thing you were saying about sort of pushing away from

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Star Trek a bit and giving it a bit more human interest, yeah.

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That only works.

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If those human characters are really vivid and interesting.

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I don't know if you were in the Stargate universe. you remember

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that?

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So that's what happened when they when they took hold of this camp

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ridiculous sci-fi fantasy show?

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put it somewhere out in the universe and just made it about human

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beings and suddenly it lost all of its campness and its silliness

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and it's fun and it was boring as hell to watch and it killed off

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the franchise.

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Well, guess what?

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They've done the same thing here with Star Trek and it killed off

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the franchise.

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Yeah, but in spite of that, there are, in this episode, I think, 2

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characters who come off well, and that's because of the actor's

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performances, and I think it's, Jen Archer came off very well when

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he started floating around naked in the shower, you know?

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It's the one time I've been really happy to see it.

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But I think Tripp is as charming as hell, and I think that this

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mostly plays to his strengths.

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You know, like I think he's generally sweet.

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There's some scenes towards the end where he's a bit obnoxious.

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And of course, the doctor.

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Trip is the best character, I think, in this show, potentially.

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And I still think he is worse than the worst character in DS 9.

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It's less interesting.

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Strange New Worlds.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If you put him in DS9 or in Strange New Worlds, he'd be the most

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boring character in it, you know?

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Well, I think that that's the other thing too.

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I think that there is a pushback against the diversity.

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Yeah, you still do Star Trek here.

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Yeah. and I I think that's I think it's hard to...

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It's very interesting to know that Anthony Montgomery, who is one

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of the main cast.

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He just gets nothing to do in those 4 years.

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They ignore the character completely.

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And he's clearly an actor.

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He's got some chops, you know, when they do give him something to

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do, he's pretty good.

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And yet instead they just go. the trio again, isn't it?

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It's Archipol and Tripp.

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And so and Hoshi as well.

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You know, like, and the...

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She usually gets one... throw her a bone and give her one episode

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in here, you know.

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But, you know, like this is the 1st 90 Star Trek to be helmed by a

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wide American male, you know, that's the 1st time it's happened.

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And I think that that's what they're trying to do here.

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And I think that's a problem as well.

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Like, I think, you know, and also just the kind of weird racism

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that they're doing.

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You know, there was kind of racism against Spock, wasn't there, in

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the original series and they're trying to bring it back. very

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unpleasant.

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People talk about the McCoy spot relationship.

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But it is tinged with a level of sort of awkwardness as well.

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Yeah.

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But here I think Tapole's horrible.

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Like, I think Tapol's awful, this episode.

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I like her.

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She had wonderful, great one line about sticking his fingers in

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where they don't belong or something.

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I did like that live.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You fucking...

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Do you remember when we selected Enterprise?

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That was my choice on the Random Myers.

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I said, I wanted to talk about when the cast assembled with

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Brandon Braga to basically execute him with words, which they did

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with some alacrity, I have to say.

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I very quickly just wanted to talk about the cast members and what

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they had to say because everyone sort of agree this 1st season was

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an absolute turkey.

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Who shall I start with?

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Okay, so Anthony Montgomery, yeah.

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Who doesn't ever say, he seems like the most amiable guy out of

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all of them basically just says what I got out of this show was

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being around these actors.

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But he couldn't talk about his character or the plots or anything

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because there was nothing there for him.

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And I thought actually that was a bit of a miss because it would

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have been interesting for him to say, well, why didn't you give me

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anything to do?

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Dominic Keating, who, weirdly enough, is even more annoying than

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the character he plays, Malcolm Reed.

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Keeps interrupting everybody throughout the thing. he's that sort

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of accident wants to be the centre of attention all the time or

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starts taking over the interview.

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I got the feeling this was the biggest job that he'd ever had and

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would ever have.

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Scott Bacula is very thoughtful about the whole thing and he does

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take brag of the task quite a few times and he's the one that says

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categorically, our 1st season was a failure.

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We lost our audience then.

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Wow, wow.

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But he then says, look, halfway through the 2nd season, I knew we

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were starting to do good work and then in 3 and four, he goes

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whatever you think.

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Because, um, John Billingsley comes in and says, you know, the

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politics of season 3 were appalling.

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And Scott Bacular turns around and says, yeah, but I do think we

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made some good telly, regardless.

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We made some exciting TV.

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They keep trying to throw the spotlight on Jolene Blaylock.

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I am not going to say Baylock.

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Jolian Blaylock.

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And she's really shy.

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Like, she's really reluctant to sort of talk and she talks, she

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kind of admits very shyly that she's been to a few conventions and

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didn't enjoy it very much.

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So I think she's the sort of actor, the opposite of Dominic Gating

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doesn't like the spotlight in her face.

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And Brandon Brockov says to her, you know, did you enjoy what we

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wrote for you?

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We really wanted to challenge you.

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And she's very, positive about the whole experience.

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Right.

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What really shocked me was she's, I think she's one of the most

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able actors of the bunch.

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But she just sort of sits there with her, adds to her mouth, like

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really meek.

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And but the most interesting is Conor Trinier.

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And he says, you gave me wonderful opportunities throughout this

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show.

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And you can see Anthony Montgomery looking at Conor Tornillo, as

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he's going, the fantastic opportunities you gave me throughout

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this show.

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What's the difference between us, do you think?

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He's probably wondering.

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Yeah, nobody says that.

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But it's really interesting.

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They all kind of come away with a lot of regret.

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And like someone says, you know, we didn't make it to a 100.

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We nearly made it to 100 episodes.

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We're the only series during that period that didn't do 7

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seasons.

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We're the only series that ended with a TNG episode instead of an

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Enterprise episode and everyone's got something to say about

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that.

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It's really sad because I think ultimately, yeah, the show is a

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blob.

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And they're kind of scratching through the debris to find nice

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things to say.

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But it's a really interesting interview, and certainly Brandon

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Braggart is there, like, you know, like the Hangman has got his

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noose, or they're all putting gums at him. shoot him any minute

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you know.

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And he's just full of apologies for everybody.

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And it's very, very clear that from the start, there was massive

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studio problems. they were involving themselves on every level of

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the show.

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So what we got on the screen, it might say written by Brandon

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Bragger and Rick Berman, but there were decisions being made about

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the look of the show, the ideas in the show, like they didn't even

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want to do a prequel.

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But that was the studio's idea, you know?

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They had to do the temporal Cold War because they wouldn't have

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them just telling human interest stories.

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No, no, there's got to be something big, big, exciting science

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fiction idea in there.

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And they were like, we didn't know what we would do with it.

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We just threw it in there because that's what they wanted.

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Yeah.

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So the sad thing is about enterprise is that nobody's very

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impressed with it.

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Not even the people making it.

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Yeah, but I would be lying if I denied having any fun watching

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it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like sometimes I find it exasperating.

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There are times that really irritates me.

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And there's times that I'm kind of bored and it's not one that I

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willingly put on.

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I mean, I mostly only watch it because of untitled Star Trek

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project.

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But I wasn't bored this afternoon when I watched it.

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I had fun, you know, like it's still Star Trek, but it's a shame

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it's not good Star Trek.

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I think, I think the thing is, I, whenever we roll enterprise, and

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all the time it's me choosing it, I sort of go in thinking, okay

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this is going to be the, this is going to be the time where I'm

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turning into an enterprise fan, you know?

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And I'm finally, you know, years after the event going to watch

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the run through.

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And it's just, I don't think it's ever going to happen, you know?

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No.

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That's a really sad way to start this episode.

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And I'm sure one day we're going to find an enterprise episode

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that we both agree is absolutely, you know, is probably

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brilliant.

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I don't think we've done one yet really.

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We've done one that sort of touched on being very good. but still

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made you very angry.

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Yeah, co-jenitor.

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Terrible. very angry.

330
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Yeah.

331
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All right.

332
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Well, I think we should go in.

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What do you reckon?

334
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I think I've turned everybody off enough.

335
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Yeah, let's go.

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All right, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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This was the best... as far as I'm concerned.

340
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So again, so we don't have Sonic showers, do we?

341
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Oh look at him.

342
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Look, that reminds me so much of that Star Trek 6, you know, when

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the blood goes flying.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they've got the money to do this.

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Like, the shower is sort of intensely impractical on a spaceship

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but like whatever.

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But I kind of like that because it puts him in a space and so much

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of this show is just us standing around in studios.

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And so to have someone who's physically wet, I know that sounds

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dumb, but that's actually a thing, you know, that's mildly

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entertaining.

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Studios at that, Nathan.

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And I've got to say, I think Scott falls out.

355
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That must have hurt the bottom of his arse so badly.

356
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I think he's been working out, you know.

357
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Well, he's like, you know, anyone who looked like him who took

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their shirt off in an American TV program, these days would be

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shot dead immediately, but I think he looks great.

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Like, I think he looks great.

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You forget Captain Kirk, you know, walking through the corridors

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with his belly out.

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Certainly, certainly he's trimmer than Captain Kirk.

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I think he looks really good.

365
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I think it's a great shame.

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I think, you know, Bacula has every right to be irritated because

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you take an actor as charming as Bacula and make him play an

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arsehole for so long.

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And when she's nice.

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It's actually fun to watch him.

371
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Yeah, you know.

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I mean, beyond that, oh, there's a few bits in this.

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There's a bit where he orders trip to bed.

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I quite like that bit.

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But, you know, it's slim pickings.

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He's nice to the dog this time.

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You know how we said he had no proper relationship with the dog. in

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a night in Sick Bay, you know, like he just thought the dog was

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something he could whinge about.

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I've just remembered something else from the interview.

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If someone brought up the song.

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Did anybody like the song?

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I like the song.

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John Billingsley, it's one...

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He goes, well, you know, it's very plain.

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He goes, he goes, I did like the bit, though, really.

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They jumped in at the end going, I've got, I've got, when the

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chorus jumps in.

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And I was like, that's exactly what I saw on, I'm sorry.

390
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Yeah, yeah.

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No, well, it's it's a very, very middle of the road, like I said

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before, I think dad core kind of choice.

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I think of now, whenever I hear it, you say dad call, you know.

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We're having play meat soup.

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Are we having plum meat soup?

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She had plum meat soup for breakfast. right.

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So I think she's fairly racist in this scene, though.

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Yeah, I think she's obnoxious in this scene.

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And in fact, one of the, one of the ways that people are racist is

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by expressing disgust for the other culture's food.

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And if you think about the history of, you know, English people

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calling French people frogs because they sometimes eat frogs, do

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you know what I mean?

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Like, we do that all the time with other cultures and we say their

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food stinks and that's how we race a story.

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I do not object to classic way of doing it.

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But I don't like the taste of them, but I just don't like the fact

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that they get so little meat. on our frogs.

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Yeah, it's a lot of effort.

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But you know, I think I think throughout the 1st season, their

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plan is to thaw her out, you know, she doesn't want to go in the

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1st episode and come the last episode she's choosing to stay and

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they do take her on that path in the 1st season.

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Yeah, bloody how everyone's horrible at the beginning.

415
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Yeah, well that's right.

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It's just not fun to watch.

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And she is super obnoxious here.

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I actually have to say that I am starting to like this set.

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I love this set.

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We said before, we like the fact that they sort of practically

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climb all over it.

422
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You know, there's a lot to do.

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So there's a lot of what sort of ways they can shoot it as well.

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Yeah, well, because remember the warp core was horizontal in

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original track and these horizontally and strategy worlds, and

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then they had those vertical ones, which are great, because that

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was unusual and stuff.

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But having this long sort of space and like here where they get

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out fire extinguishes, like it gives it a real...

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Did you notice that?

431
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So it's got a line.

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So he walks across the bridge as if he's doing something important

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than a trip site.

434
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No, no, no, we need you to go back that way and go and sort that

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thing out, yeah.

436
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The extras on, especially 90s trek, you know, they have a bit of a

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problem.

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Not doing anything convincingly.

439
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And so I think this is sort of vaguely interesting, isn't it?

440
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So they're they're awake and it's causing these malfunctions.

441
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And I did like where the sort of black tar comes into into Tapol's

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drink.

443
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You know, she's ordered carbonated water for breakfast and she

444
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gets black tongue.

445
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But we did that in the triple episode, you know?

446
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We've been doing this for decades and decades.

447
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We've been doing cloak ships for decades.

448
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Like, this is your child?

449
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You want to do something fresh and original.

450
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Bloody do it, you know?

451
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Yeah, but that's the problem.

452
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What they're doing instead is they've created what they think is a

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place where the same tide old things will be fresh and original.

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It turns out they're not because it's new to them because it's the

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1st time.

456
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Do you know what I mean?

457
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They're only just learning to use the...

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That is genuinely what Bragger and Berman Thor.

459
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I think that is what they thought.

460
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They should never have been running a show.

461
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No, that's just because it's the 1st time we've done this, that

462
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the audience will forget that we've done this 100 times.

463
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We've done it for 14 years already.

464
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That's right. isn't it?

465
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Yeah.

466
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But I'm pretty sure that that's what was in their hands.

467
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Well, then, like Bragger says, you know, come season three.

468
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We knew we literally knew we'd shot the franchise in the leg and

469
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it was dying.

470
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They basically said season 3 was going to be their last season.

471
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So that's why he said, right, fine.

472
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Fuck the studio.

473
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We're going to do a season-long arc because it's the sort of thing

474
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we wanted to do right from season one.

475
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And we're going to do it whether you want us to do it or not

476
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because you're going to kill us off anyway.

477
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And I know you don't like season three.

478
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No, it is ambitious. in a way that this is not ambitious.

479
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No, that's true, but that's the other thing too.

480
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They're so uncomfortable making Star Trek and, you know, some of

481
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the choices that we've already discussed.

482
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Uh, you know, the lack of diversity, all of that sort of thing.

483
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They're so uncomfortable about the values of Star Trek that when

484
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they kind of do their final fuck you season in series three, they

485
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just throw them out the window.

486
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Like, and they don't critique them, they don't examine them.

487
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They don't, you know, they're not saying something about what they

488
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are and unwittingly is saying America is right after 911 to do

489
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whatever the fuck it wants on the world stage because it's angry.

490
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And I think that's irresponsible.

491
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He says that almost word for word is exactly what they were doing

492
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in series three.

493
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That's what Billingsley said.

494
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No, that's what Braga says.

495
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That's what Braga says.

496
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Yeah, yeah, fuck that.

497
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You know, that's outrageous.

498
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And that's not why we watch Star Trek.

499
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What's interesting is this is why we watch Star Trek.

500
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It's Connor Trinier in a single.

501
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.839
No, it's Dr. Flock.

502
00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:37.319
Oh, did I say Tripp was the best character?

503
00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:39.779
I think Flux is the only character that could jump into one of the

504
00:22:39.779 --> 00:22:42.480
other shows and actually, he would be great.

505
00:22:42.539 --> 00:22:43.799
He's really good Yeah.

506
00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:46.680
And it's it's not just the conception of the character.

507
00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:47.460
It's Billingsley.

508
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.460
What's wonderful in that interview is Billingsley is so relaxed.

509
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:55.019
You know, he's just done work, you know, job after job and he

510
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:55.619
doesn't need this.

511
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.839
He chose to do this for a couple of years, you know.

512
00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:03.000
And he's got a lot to say, but he he's talking like you

513
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.059
unfortunately, saying that a night in sick bay and episodes like

514
00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:08.940
smaller sort of dramas where they're having a bit of fun.

515
00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:13.140
The characters are hanging out together are sort of the Star Trek

516
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.039
that he wanted to tell.

517
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.680
And boys, he got something to say about series 3 as well.

518
00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:19.740
Yeah, yeah, with similar things, I would think.

519
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.960
I think you are exactly on the same line as you two.

520
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.000
Yeah, I think that's right.

521
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:27.420
So this actually manages to be that, though.

522
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.779
This is a smaller story that doesn't really go anywhere, but like

523
00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:34.799
it doesn't really have anything to say, but because Tripp is

524
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.400
mostly like fairly genial, it's actually quite nice.

525
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:42.000
And I do think I get a real sense of this being episode five.

526
00:23:42.059 --> 00:23:44.400
It's maybe the 4th episode, I think, maybe in production.

527
00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:46.859
Like it's very early on.

528
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.220
And so we're just getting these details of the ship and how it

529
00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:50.579
works.

530
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.960
And although we've seen starships ever since the 1960s, there's

531
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.380
enough sort of difference and, you know, just the physicality of

532
00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:02.700
it, you know, a shower, you know, clambering over the warp this

533
00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:03.000
detail.

534
00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.440
Why?

535
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.200
I get what they went for the gray because it's supposed to be sort

536
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.740
of, you know, a sort of, like a sub, yeah, like a submarine.

537
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.079
But it is a very boring colour to look at.

538
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.799
Yeah, and it's Matte as well.

539
00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:17.759
Do you know what I mean?

540
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:19.500
It doesn't look like painted metal.

541
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.660
It doesn't really look like a Sab.

542
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:22.500
They don't really...

543
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:24.960
No, it is sort of painted in boring colours, but they use

544
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.559
interesting coloured lights all over the place. shapes as well

545
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.339
weird shapes.

546
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.839
So, we're on board the...

547
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.859
The space name ship.

548
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:35.279
Yep.

549
00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:38.819
The Zerrillian Shot with an X. So you know, you know.

550
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.240
Yep, you know, they are in space. an X and a Y.

551
00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:46.200
And this is a proper attempt to be weird.

552
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.960
This is the bare, the episode awful, actually.

553
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.980
In its direction worked rather well. you know who directed this?

554
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:58.019
No, it's Michael who has been directing Star Trek throughout the

555
00:24:58.019 --> 00:25:00.480
90s and some of the best ever episodes as well.

556
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:04.980
He did change the face of evil and tacking into the wind in the

557
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:06.240
final DS9 rum.

558
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:09.359
He's, um, I think he did one of the killing game.

559
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:12.000
I think he did the killing game part one. you know?

560
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.299
Like, they usually give him the big sort of epic stories to do.

561
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.880
Um, not so here.

562
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.220
I like the line.

563
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.839
I like the line, I prefer air.

564
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.619
I can't see.

565
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.240
That's pretty good.

566
00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:28.440
The way he goes in and it's all in sort of slow motion.

567
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.319
I thought I thought it's like going through water, isn't it?

568
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:33.839
And that was done extremely well.

569
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:38.759
Look, good boy, good Porthos look. like he likes Porthos.

570
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:40.079
He makes him give a thing.

571
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:41.940
He likes the guy.

572
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.740
No, he's got dogs, right?

573
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.299
It doesn't make him a likeable character.

574
00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:48.000
No, no, but that was kind of cute.

575
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:50.099
That was a cute Porthos moment, I think.

576
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.880
So again, I think this is sort of weird.

577
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.880
You know, like, there's this display with lights.

578
00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:58.140
I know it's basic.

579
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.460
I know it's basic, but 90s Star Trek so rarely attempts to make

580
00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:04.079
the aliens seem weird.

581
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.960
And here, like this is a boring sound.

582
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:07.920
Look at that.

583
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.799
Look at the cheap plastic tubing everywhere.

584
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

585
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.380
Yeah, as usual, it's as cheap as anything.

586
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:21.599
But the aliens look, like, again, Vajar is going on really close

587
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:23.519
on Trinier's face.

588
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.640
And the dialogue is moving very gently.

589
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:27.420
Look at this.

590
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.140
Like, look at the when we're looking at what's his face, his name

591
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:37.980
is Tranal with a random... has a genuinely disorienting effect

592
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:38.819
this sequence.

593
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:39.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:43.440
And like they've got big giant eyes like they're coked off their

595
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.279
brains, so that adds kind of the idea, you know, big pupils, like

596
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.240
giant pupils like they're really off their face on something.

597
00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:54.480
They seem to be wearing bin bags, though, as you know.

598
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:58.259
I mean, the ladies is so tight, it reminds me of 7 of 9 when she

599
00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:01.380
was unveiled in her uniform in season four, Voyager.

600
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:03.839
Yeah, see, look at that.

601
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:05.880
I quite like that with the person running their hand over that

602
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.359
weird concept. slug creatures going past the window.

603
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.599
Yeah, now we're just walking past walking past a tank full of

604
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.079
eels.

605
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.640
Do you know what I love about that reason and there's no

606
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.299
dialogue?

607
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.880
Yeah, that's right.

608
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.519
We brought the eels with us. know, it's a thing.

609
00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.619
We're going to do this amazing specialist.

610
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:23.279
Well, not amazing.

611
00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:25.559
This is reasonable, especially the next shot, and we're not going

612
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:26.339
to explain it at all.

613
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:27.900
Yeah.

614
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.079
Yeah, so this does look really cheap.

615
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:35.759
But it is an attempt to be weird and to make the alien weird.

616
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.920
Yeah, untitled Star Trek project, we like weird.

617
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.200
Star Trek can deal with it.

618
00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.019
It makes a, it really makes a change.

619
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.039
And I quite like how he's losing his shit here.

620
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:50.640
But they keep telling him, go and lie down and you'll feel

621
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:50.880
better.

622
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.619
We've done this a lot of times.

623
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.740
We're good with guests, like, and he's just like, no, no, I'm

624
00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:56.279
going to keep going.

625
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.420
And it takes Archer to order him to go to bed before he finally

626
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:00.960
listens.

627
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.759
Yeah, I'm not quite sure that what that is, is that just sort of

628
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.059
matcho bullshit and you don't pay attention to what the

629
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:09.839
instructions are?

630
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.079
Yeah, the week when you were talking about... map, how amazing the

631
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.000
Romulan ship design is.

632
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.460
Not Romulans. sorry, the was it Romulan?

633
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:17.700
Yeah.

634
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Warbur.

635
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.000
Yeah, not so here though, eh?

636
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.259
I actually don't mind that little weird looking ship, that little

637
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.140
slightly yellow, sort of slightly molten looking ship.

638
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.059
I mean, they've done so many at this.

639
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.500
So many alien ships.

640
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.059
How do you do something original now?

641
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.039
But like the way he's playing it, he's playing it like he's sort

642
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:43.259
of drug fucked as well, like I'm, you know, that 60s Star Trek in

643
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:43.559
a way.

644
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:48.359
And I think they will use more sort of 60s style stuff.

645
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:52.079
Like when he comes to and everything's is acclimated.

646
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:56.819
By the time we get to season four, you know, we're basically in

647
00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.019
60s trek by that point.

648
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.299
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.940
It doesn't always look like 60s trek, though.

650
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:03.660
I think.

651
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.680
Yeah, here we go.

652
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:09.660
I was just telling himself.

653
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.019
Yeah.

654
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, just just to not be a dick, you know, not be a, yeah.

655
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:19.380
And it's a rare moment of archer not being a, you know, stubborn

656
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:20.700
half wit and.

657
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:24.779
Where exactly, do you think these lizards scale on the bow mask

658
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:25.140
scale?

659
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.619
I think they look okay, actually.

660
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.240
I don't think they're too bad.

661
00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:33.539
Um, you know, they're, I don't know.

662
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.539
They're lizard people. they pull it off.

663
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.299
It's totally something you can say in a Star Trek pop.

664
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.039
Yeah, they're lizard people, you know.

665
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.960
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:44.339
She's quite sexy.

667
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.700
Like I kind of buy the relationship that they have, you know, sexy

668
00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:48.960
lizard lady.

669
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:49.859
I think that's all right.

670
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.920
The same sort of makeup they use when they burn people's faces

671
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.819
though, as well, you know?

672
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.319
Well, yeah.

673
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.500
It's good to know that the latex industry is still in work

674
00:29:58.500 --> 00:29:58.680
though.

675
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.119
Now DS9 is.

676
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.799
Exactly.

677
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:03.599
Yeah, they're still managing to do something.

678
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:06.720
Yeah, and he wakes up and suddenly the director has calmed down a

679
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:06.960
bit.

680
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:08.519
She's still very oily.

681
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:09.900
There's that red thing.

682
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.900
See the red thing that he's sleeping in, which again seems like a

683
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:17.160
very 1960s. but it's cheap but it is like a very 1960s design.

684
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.859
It sort of feels like, you remember the sets in the Thor?

685
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:21.539
It sort of feels a bit like that, you know.

686
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:22.740
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.779
But that's also very 60s I think.

688
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.519
It's also very studio bound as well.

689
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.079
Yeah, yeah.

690
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.759
Well, we'll get...

691
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:32.759
The thing that confused me most about this episode is I figured

692
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.960
that the, the, the premise when they started was trip gets

693
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:37.740
pregnant, yeah?

694
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.559
Well, that doesn't occur till halfway through the episode.

695
00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:43.440
The 1st half of the episode is like 1st contact, yeah?

696
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.940
The 2nd half of the episode is tripping.

697
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.019
And it's actually quite agreeable.

698
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.059
I think that maybe they're just a run with this.

699
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.460
All right, it would not be one that we remember still.

700
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:55.140
But I think you then avoid all that sort of hideous pregnancy

701
00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:57.539
sitcom nonsense we get in the 2nd half of the episode.

702
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.500
But you see, I think this is quite sexy, isn't it?

703
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.339
Enterprise when they start feeding the crew. with the cheese in

704
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.420
that other episode.

705
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.759
Yeah, yeah.

706
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.400
I'm starting to figure out what your parents are doing this.

707
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:15.960
He's kind of getting into it and he has this sort of cute thing.

708
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:16.980
Yeah, it's kind of nice.

709
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:22.259
It's just like the physical touch of this species of aliens is

710
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:23.519
kind of pleasurable.

711
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:26.220
As you say at the end of the scene, I think I'm still a little bit

712
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:26.640
thirsty.

713
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.779
Yeah, yeah, it's just like, oh, I've been very dehydrated.

714
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.420
I'm gonna need to be fed a lot more of those water things.

715
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:34.319
This is it.

716
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:36.299
A man needs a lot of fluids when he's under the weather.

717
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.099
So he's really getting into it.

718
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:41.400
And look, like he's really enjoying the kind of centralness of and

719
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.180
she's touching his lips and stuff and he's sort of finding her hot

720
00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:46.559
and she's a lizard lady.

721
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:47.279
I think that's awesome.

722
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.019
This sort of geniality would have been brilliant.

723
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.839
Was it if it was in Broken Bow in the 1st episode?

724
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:56.880
You needed some of this, you know?

725
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

726
00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:00.059
He's so charming.

727
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.079
He's so charming.

728
00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:03.420
Oh, here we go on the bridge centre.

729
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:05.160
This boring...

730
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:06.359
It's very dull, isn't it?

731
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.599
Yeah, it is boring. don't know.

732
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:14.519
I'm trying to make a comparison with another one, but it's...

733
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.740
I mean, Voyager's gray, isn't it?

734
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:17.519
I don't know.

735
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.240
I don't know.

736
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:20.940
I mean, they were right to move away from the design language that

737
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:23.519
they had in in next gen and Voyager.

738
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:28.019
You know, they, I think it was time for a freshen up, but it's

739
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:31.019
still the same non-reflective surfaces.

740
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:32.099
It's just the problem.

741
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.880
But then look at those starships they designed in, oh, no, I said

742
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:36.720
in a different time period.

743
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.240
Sorry, I was about to say the Starships they designed in Picard

744
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.619
Series 3, which just, they looked very 90s trek, but sort of

745
00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:44.160
updated.

746
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:46.319
But they're literally differently.

747
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.819
Yeah, that's the problem.

748
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.500
It's these flat, boring lines.

749
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:52.079
It was when the Enterprise came back in the last couple of

750
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.539
episodes and it was that boring hotel lighting again.

751
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.279
I'm like, oh, yes, they got it back again.

752
00:32:56.700 --> 00:33:00.059
But I think they actually managed to make the lighting a bit

753
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:00.420
better.

754
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.940
Like without completely violating the whole idea.

755
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.039
A bit of effort here. switching the lights on and off.

756
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:06.779
There's different coloured gels at work.

757
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.359
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.819
Oh, here we are in the holodeck.

759
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.200
Do you know what?

760
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:14.940
There's a shop down the road for me, right?

761
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.059
It sells gift wrapping that looks just like the inside of that.

762
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:18.599
Yeah.

763
00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:23.039
That's so 60s trend. don't you think it's really 60s?

764
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:25.500
Well, there's a set, isn't it, with a big wall without that exact

765
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:25.740
effect?

766
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:29.039
So here's the problem, right?

767
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.539
This is the problem.

768
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:36.839
So we have this thing, which you're really standing in a room, but

769
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:41.160
the technology is so superb that you think you're outside and you

770
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.160
can't tell the difference between being in the room and being

771
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:44.700
outside.

772
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:50.039
And do you know what would have been a absolutely fantastic way of

773
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.420
selling that?

774
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:56.579
It would have been going outside and shooting this scene where

775
00:33:56.579 --> 00:34:01.019
they're in the fucking holodeck, whereas what it looks like is a

776
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:05.339
room that's made up to look roughly like it's outside.

777
00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:11.039
You know, like it, they have gotten better at doing this sort of

778
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:11.219
thing.

779
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.300
Why is it so short?

780
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.739
Why is it so bad?

781
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:14.699
They went to a lake.

782
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.380
What if they went to a lake?

783
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.360
I mean Jesus Christ.

784
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.739
Where are they, California?

785
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.840
There must be a lake in California.

786
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:22.980
Yeah.

787
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.380
Yeah, like there's that, look, that that painted sky is probably 3

788
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:30.300
or 4 feet away from them at this point.

789
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.840
Like that's it's pathetic. think.

790
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:36.480
Connor Trenier looks so handsome there, though, with the wind

791
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.039
ruffling his hair. so hot.

792
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.840
But yeah, I see what you're saying.

793
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.900
It's supposed to be, you know, defying the fact that it's

794
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:45.539
artificial, but it looks so artificial.

795
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:46.619
Yeah, that's right.

796
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.599
How is he convinced by any of this?

797
00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:49.860
Yeah.

798
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.639
Remember the 1st time we saw the holiday in Star Trek the Next

799
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.000
Generation?

800
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:56.280
They did location shooting.

801
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:57.179
Exactly.

802
00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:58.139
They did.

803
00:34:58.260 --> 00:34:59.460
They can't get so excited.

804
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.860
I even saw automobiles working.

805
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:05.639
No, no, but what about, well, I mean, that's a backlot thing.

806
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.619
But in, in, in, in...

807
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.719
Yeah, they're outdoors.

808
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.239
See, this is so sexy.

809
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.820
Look, he's having he's smiling.

810
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.159
He's sort of just, it's just cute.

811
00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:19.679
There's something terribly sweet about it.

812
00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:22.380
I've not seen sexier Star Trek, if I'm honest, but they do have

813
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:23.880
some, it's sweet.

814
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:24.840
We say it's sweet.

815
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.880
Yeah, it's sexy for Star Trek, I think.

816
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:29.699
I don't think this is...

817
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:33.719
Except that she has that funny line, like what are the rules?

818
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.139
and he says, well, the rules are, no, she says, yeah, the rules

819
00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.139
are, it doesn't work unless it is for hands involved, so he puts

820
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:40.800
his other hand in.

821
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:42.239
I think that's sort of huge.

822
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.159
Is this what makes him pregnant then, putting his hands in his

823
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:44.579
crystals?

824
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.059
Yeah.

825
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.340
A strange way of procreating, you know?

826
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:53.460
Yeah, but I mean, they also like the touch is pleasurable and they

827
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:55.260
can hear each other's thoughts.

828
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.119
Yeah, look, it takes more hands to work.

829
00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:58.320
Look, and he's smiles.

830
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.940
Like, they're really hitting it off.

831
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.739
Tell you my problem with this scene.

832
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.360
What's that?

833
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:07.079
They just can't leave the fucking holodeck alone, can they?

834
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.099
Yeah.

835
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:11.579
So it's another cliche in an episode that's full of cliches in

836
00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:13.980
this bold new direction that Star Trek's taking.

837
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.659
And to give Reed the line later where he goes, you know, imagine

838
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.300
if we had one of these on the ship and what we could do with it.

839
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.880
Oh, I could not believe it.

840
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.320
Yeah, it's so bad.

841
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:30.179
Doesn't someone, doesn't, isn't the sort of thing, imagine what we

842
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:30.719
could do with it?

843
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:33.420
And then Trinier says, I don't think you can make people.

844
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.199
So clearly they were both thinking we could use it to fuck.

845
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:38.460
Don't you think?

846
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.519
Like, like, well, yeah, isn't they?

847
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.579
You can rely on, DS9, to just be doing sex gags left, right, the

848
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:45.539
centre of the holiday, you know?

849
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.460
It's not this sort of chased one-liners.

850
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:52.139
Don't you remember Mariner has to clean out the whole deck?

851
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:56.159
In lower days.

852
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.900
You know what people do in there?

853
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.920
Just don't go in there with, you know, one of those purple lights

854
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:05.340
all right?

855
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:06.360
You're having a lot of trouble.

856
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:16.920
So we, so we just had that a very cute thing where he, he said, oh

857
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.300
you find me attractive to her and she replied, you really like it

858
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:24.900
when people find you attractive and then he sort of blushes and

859
00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:25.980
he's sort of very cute about it.

860
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.139
You know, I think they hit it off.

861
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.039
And that is quite a fun exchange, but like I said to you, off Mike

862
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:36.840
Wild Ralph, who is very aware of all the cliches of Star Trek, what

863
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.800
is this human thing you call love, walked in at exactly that point

864
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.260
where she went, you find me attractive.

865
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.780
I went, oh, God.

866
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.860
I just walked out the room again.

867
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:48.239
He said that to her.

868
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.880
He said that he said that she found him attractive.

869
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:53.820
I think it would have been better if he had been forced to admit

870
00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:55.079
that he was attracted to her too.

871
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:58.559
I know I know it's quite amiable.

872
00:37:58.619 --> 00:37:59.519
I know it's quite sweet.

873
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:01.679
But even that, an alien and a human.

874
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.820
But she's like a lizard. like a white guy.

875
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.260
I know I don't know.

876
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:10.079
It just isn't a hint of originality, is there?

877
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:16.079
Yeah, no, but it is that sort of thing where, um, where he can go

878
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.960
over and meet these aliens and they can sort of hit it off in this

879
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.360
sort of way and that they have a little bit of chemistry and

880
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:21.599
stuff.

881
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:23.159
I think that's kind of cute.

882
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:27.719
I can imagine people switching on to this show that they're sort

883
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.900
of advertising as this fresh new Star Trek, watching the 1st

884
00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:34.260
couple of strange new worlds with this and just going, oh, no

885
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:34.559
thank you.

886
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:35.820
This is the same old shit.

887
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.599
Just worse.

888
00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:37.920
I'm gonna turn it off.

889
00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:38.820
Yeah, yeah.

890
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

891
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.960
Yeah, I think the holiday thing, like that's ridiculous, but I am

892
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.739
convinced that they think that because our characters are

893
00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.380
encountering a holiday for the 1st time, then somehow that's more

894
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:52.800
interesting.

895
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:54.059
Do you know why I'm angry?

896
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.900
I'm angry because I sat there and watched Brandon Bragger, you

897
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.719
know, with his head in his hands and I don't think this is his

898
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:01.019
fault.

899
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.480
This isn't the, this isn't what they want.

900
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:05.699
They didn't want the 1st season on a starship.

901
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.579
They didn't want all the usual cliches, but they were told they

902
00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:09.179
had to do it.

903
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.199
So effectively, the studio shot themselves in the head.

904
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:17.280
Well, they would say that for a start, wouldn't they?

905
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:20.159
Like, if it had been successful, I just, I don't want anything

906
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:20.579
about it.

907
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:23.280
I had to go there to face them and have that conversation and

908
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:24.179
apologise.

909
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:27.059
Because he's got the studio to blame.

910
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:32.219
And like, I have to say that if that 1st season of enterprise had

911
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:35.820
just been them building the ship, that that would have been well

912
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:39.300
beyond what they were able to do because all they can do is

913
00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:41.159
produce episodic Star Trek.

914
00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:42.599
And so it would have been shit.

915
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.119
Like they've never...

916
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.199
I just think it would have been terrible.

917
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.519
Star Trek.

918
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.960
We've not seen them do anything else.

919
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:50.880
So maybe maybe they could have.

920
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.659
I don't know.

921
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.460
Yeah, but I mean, like even series 3 is still a starship goes

922
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:59.099
somewhere and a thing happens and they resolve it and then they go

923
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:00.119
on to the next thing.

924
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:01.980
But like, here we go.

925
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.380
I'm like, I'm going to drop this in a second.

926
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.000
Unlike DS9, where I had a Paul of writers, I just went, fuck the

927
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:09.420
studio.

928
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.360
Let's just make the show we want to make and let's make it really

929
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:12.659
really good.

930
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.880
This was so tied up in bureaucracy and ill choices and people

931
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.619
leaning on the show in the wrong ways.

932
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.139
I don't know if they ever had a chance.

933
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:26.159
No, but I think that there was some fundamental mistakes that

934
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:27.539
Birmingham Braga made.

935
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.300
I might have Burma and Braga's fingerprints all over it and

936
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:32.340
whatever they say about studio interference.

937
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.519
It doesn't exonerate them for making a bit of a bad show.

938
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.800
I think it's largely their fault.

939
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.679
I suppose we'll never know, will we?

940
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:46.619
No, but I think all of that stuff about dumbing it down. you know

941
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:50.699
having characters that are not threateningly intelligent, you

942
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:50.940
know?

943
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.440
Do you remember that scene where I'll try to book and a ball in

944
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.820
his hands at the same time?

945
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:57.780
Yeah, yeah.

946
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.239
Just to keep it relatable to the American man.

947
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:05.099
Or, you know, when Andreas Katsulis asks him what play of

948
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:08.519
Sophocles would be good to read next and he kind of goes, I think

949
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.079
you could work that out for yourself.

950
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:11.519
I just think. yeah you're pathetic.

951
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:13.380
I don't know if you saw that impressive size.

952
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.480
I'm kind of Trinier's bulge in his underwear then.

953
00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.380
I did.

954
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.820
I was actually looking at it.

955
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.079
There it is.

956
00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:20.039
Yeah, there it is.

957
00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:20.699
You can see it.

958
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.440
Excuse me, I'm just gonna...

959
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:26.519
I'm hiring up as Dr. Fox's medical assistant.

960
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:27.119
Okay?

961
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:31.139
Well, you can see why the lizard lady got so excited.

962
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.159
So, so here's another...

963
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.000
I know.

964
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:40.559
I can't think about the dialogue anymore. blushing a little bit.

965
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.239
He is so handsome.

966
00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:47.639
Suddenly, it's showing very relatable, you know?

967
00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

968
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:52.380
It's but it's not it's not just that he's attractive.

969
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.219
Like, he's a little bit kind of white bred.

970
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.059
You know, he's a little bit more clean cut than I normally like.

971
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.300
I think he's terribly attractive, but I think he's charming as

972
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:03.659
hell.

973
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.840
Like, I just think he's absolutely as charming as hell.

974
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.420
What really works about his character is he is.

975
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.119
I think it racist to start off with. you know he's got all these

976
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.019
preconceptions.

977
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.199
And actually, as we go through the series, a lot of them are

978
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.780
confronted and he comes out a better person as a result.

979
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.559
Well, even in this episode, he says, this is why I joined

980
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.340
Starfleet.

981
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.179
I went over there.

982
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.559
I met these aliens.

983
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:27.000
I had a really interesting time.

984
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:27.960
I learned from them.

985
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:29.760
I did a thing I helped out.

986
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.420
I came back.

987
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.840
This is why I joined or the service or whatever it is, not

988
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.320
Starfleet.

989
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:35.400
But do you know what I mean?

990
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:41.280
Like, this is a very Star Trek premise and it was, it was executed

991
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:42.659
in a very Star Trek way.

992
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.659
And then I think this is all a bit stupid.

993
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.940
And I think part of the reason is this, right?

994
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.400
That they dismiss in a line, the possibility of destroying the

995
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.099
blast acist because it's in his pericardium or something.

996
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:01.260
So it's, it's, it's in a place where it can't be removed safely by

997
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:01.739
them.

998
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.699
Okay.

999
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.300
So there's no chance of aborting it because this is American

1000
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.840
television and you know, we can't depict people having abortions

1001
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.539
because we're absolute religious maniacs.

1002
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:21.840
And, and then, Then there's this shame about being impregnated and

1003
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.780
the Klingon laughs at him about being impregnated and he's kind of

1004
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:25.980
embarrassed by it.

1005
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:30.059
And there are women on the ship and women get impregnated and why

1006
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:31.320
is that humiliating?

1007
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:34.260
You get impregnated and that's humiliating because women get

1008
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:34.980
impregnated?

1009
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.820
Fuck that.

1010
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.460
That I, that's dreadful.

1011
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:39.719
I think that's dreadful.

1012
00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:43.619
And, you know, obviously there's all sorts of trans issues that

1013
00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:46.260
are just completely, we're completely unaware.

1014
00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:48.300
Or even thinking about, whatever.

1015
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:49.440
They're not in thinking.

1016
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.039
No, that's right.

1017
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:52.619
This is a very, very cis heterosexual shock.

1018
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.320
Oh, I don't even think a lot of that was in the ether back then

1019
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.760
you know, not like it's discussed now.

1020
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.079
No, no, no.

1021
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.340
Of course people were.

1022
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:01.739
But it wasn't in the public's consciousness like it has been in

1023
00:44:01.739 --> 00:44:02.579
the last sort of 5 years.

1024
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:02.940
Sure.

1025
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.440
That's true.

1026
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:10.980
But I just kind of, that annoys me.

1027
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.039
The thing that annoys me even more is it could have been worse.

1028
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:17.760
Like, I think it's it's gently mocking, whereas it could have been

1029
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.780
profit and lace, you know?

1030
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:22.260
Yeah, but it is that thing.

1032
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:26.639
It's humiliating to be put in the position of a woman who gets

1033
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.320
impregnated who gets pregnant.

1034
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.940
That's humiliating for a man, even though, like, in straight

1035
00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:33.599
couples.

1036
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:34.679
Do you know what I mean?

1037
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:39.179
Like women get pregnant and that's not embarrassing or humiliating

1038
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:42.719
but you, you know, because men are better than women or

1039
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:42.960
something.

1040
00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:44.099
Like it's so...

1041
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.400
I don't think I've ever seen the male pregnancy and it's happened

1042
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:48.840
in a couple of shows I've watched.

1043
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:50.760
It's never been done well.

1044
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.119
No, because it is, isn't it funny?

1045
00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:57.960
Women are kind of a bit crap and he's a man being humiliated by

1046
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.579
being put into that position.

1047
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:01.739
And like he's worrying about.

1048
00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:05.159
They were obviously going to lean into the cliches, you know, so

1049
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:06.960
suddenly he's irrational and emotional.

1050
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:08.280
So his emotion.

1051
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:09.659
Yeah, yeah.

1052
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.539
And here he's worried about what happens if a little kid, you know

1053
00:45:12.539 --> 00:45:14.760
is in this...

1054
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.139
Yeah, yeah.

1055
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.820
Like, for goodness sake.

1056
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.880
They should have made him carry it to town. you. worried about

1057
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:21.119
that.

1058
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:22.199
Like, what the fuck?

1059
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.880
And why are they designing a handwriter like that?

1060
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:25.559
At least we were...

1061
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:28.079
We didn't have to watch the, you know, the birth sequence.

1062
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.639
Although the end of this plot where she just goes, oh, yeah, we

1064
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.159
can take it out. don't worry I was like, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:35.699
Okay.

1066
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:37.559
Yeah, yeah.

1067
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:39.000
But what else are they going to do?

1068
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:40.380
Like, they've got to be back.

1069
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.119
He's got to be back on board next week.

1070
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:43.920
Well, I was trying to figure a through line for this.

1071
00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:47.340
So like from the beginning of the episode to the end, what trip is

1072
00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:47.699
learning?

1073
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.480
And what we are learning as an audience about this whole

1074
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.019
audience.

1075
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.340
No, I don't think we're learning anything.

1076
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.860
No, no, I don't think that's wearing baggy clothes now.

1077
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.159
Look.

1078
00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:58.019
It's got his maternity shirt.

1079
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.059
Yeah, that's right.

1080
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:05.820
And it's this tiny thing. like those are not very tight fitting

1081
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:06.599
uniforms.

1082
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:09.119
I think you could conceal that little bump.

1083
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:12.780
Even these things, you often have these sequences where Archer

1084
00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:15.179
invites people over for dinner and they have, you know, nice

1085
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:16.380
conversation around the table.

1086
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.460
Ah, I prefer the DSR approach where you get some round and they're

1087
00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:22.679
all sort of making the dinner together, you know, and it's, it

1088
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:23.579
feels so much...

1089
00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:24.900
The strange new worlds approach.

1090
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.179
Yeah, well, that's but they did it in GS9 first.

1091
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.659
And they do it brilliantly as well, where it feels like a family

1092
00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:32.699
whereas it just feels like a formal dinner, you know?

1093
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.019
Yeah, yeah.

1094
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:36.719
Yeah, yeah.

1095
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:39.900
And like now he's like, I was just waiting for him to order ice

1096
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.039
cream with pickles on it.

1097
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:42.179
Do you know what I mean?

1098
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.940
Like I just thought it was going to be just every cliche of every

1099
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.800
sitcom pregnancy.

1100
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:50.940
Like, I just don't know what the point of this is. you know, it

1101
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:52.019
was bound to be offensive.

1102
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.679
Um, and, oh, Jesus Christ, the nipples on his...

1103
00:46:58.739 --> 00:47:00.960
I mean, you did say to me, didn't you, when I said this, you

1104
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.320
started quoting those lines from insurrection about boobs being

1105
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.420
firmer.

1106
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.639
I mean, that is sort of cute and funny.

1107
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:11.099
But like, that or insurrection?

1108
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.539
No, the, like the, like that could have been funny.

1109
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.119
That's a weird Star Treky thing to happen.

1110
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:21.840
That's not sort of, you know, but it doesn't work.

1111
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:25.800
And because the whole tone of the thing is sort of horribly wrong

1112
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.460
at this point.

1113
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.519
Like, what is delivering the baby?

1114
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:31.860
And he's got looks like a little... like he's just swallowed down

1115
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:32.519
shit or something.

1116
00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:34.139
Like, that's so cool.

1117
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.000
Women go through that all the time, mate.

1118
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:36.420
All right.

1119
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.380
Yeah, yeah.

1120
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
And it would have actually been better.

1121
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.099
It hints at it.

1122
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.699
He's less distressed by it than he could have been.

1123
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.079
This could have been worse.

1124
00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:50.880
But if this was just, oh, wow, whoops, this is a thing that can

1125
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.900
happen with aliens and if no one is like, it's not funny that

1126
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:56.579
they're losing their shit over it.

1127
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.639
It's not funny that it's 3 men.

1128
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:02.579
Well, I don't know.

1129
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:08.699
I think I think it would have been more, I don't know.

1130
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.420
Did you see that?

1131
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:11.820
How's he going to be able to hide his bulge?

1132
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.019
We weren't doing that earlier.

1133
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:15.599
No, that's right.

1134
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:19.380
Oh, and then we're talking, then we're doing the dialogue.

1135
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.579
He's saying that as the guy comes in as the the servant, the

1136
00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:26.940
yeoman comes in to bring in their breadsticks or whatever.

1137
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.000
I just say, because I have been very hard on surprise in this

1138
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.360
episode.

1139
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:32.940
It's one thing I really like about it. and it's not just because

1140
00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:35.099
I'm a gay man who fancies men.

1141
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.179
But the way they objectify the men on this show in the way that

1142
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.679
original series did with women.

1143
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.900
I actually think that's quite nice.

1144
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.139
Uh, but I don't think they do it.

1145
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.420
Like, I don't think they have the men that pretty.

1146
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:48.960
I don't know.

1147
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:50.820
Conish is very pretty.

1148
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.219
Connor Tranier is, yeah.

1149
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.059
But certainly current Star Trek, Kurtzman Trek has prettier man.

1150
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:57.900
That's very true.

1151
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.820
There's not, didn't too bad, you know.

1152
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.099
Cisco?

1153
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:02.880
Come on, maybe.

1154
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:04.920
Sorry, quick, get us back on track.

1155
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:11.340
Anthony Montgomery is a very handsome man. there you go Yes, that's

1156
00:49:11.340 --> 00:49:11.519
true.

1157
00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:12.059
That's true.

1158
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.820
Oh my God, it's a poles in your chair already, Kira, to wait 4

1159
00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:15.179
seasons.

1160
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.780
Well, she's 2nd in command.

1161
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.260
Okay, so this...

1162
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.460
Now the Klingons come along to add a bit of false jeopardy and

1163
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:27.960
none of that works, either.

1164
00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:28.500
I don't think.

1165
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.280
No, they're just like the intransigent aliens of the week, but it

1166
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.460
is also our 1st sort of proper encounter with the Klingons, isn't

1167
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:35.579
it?

1168
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.300
Or we've, it sounds like we've had a Klingon on the Earth, isn't

1169
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:40.019
it, in the 1st episode?

1170
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:42.239
Yes, they capture.

1171
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:44.699
Yeah, that's right.

1172
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:45.420
That's right.

1173
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:46.559
Klingon lands on Earth.

1174
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.679
Yes, and there is a reference to that here.

1175
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:50.880
I was wondering where it is.

1176
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:55.079
I do think, again, this is going back to original trade.

1177
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.820
There's primitive Klingon ship designs.

1178
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.900
Yeah, great.

1179
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:58.320
Yeah.

1180
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.360
And that ship design is kind of used.

1181
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.300
Like they have the bird of prey, but they also have this shaped

1182
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:04.320
theme.

1183
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:05.519
That actually not the close-up.

1184
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.320
The nice CGI shot as well, I think.

1185
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.320
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it was a cartoon, but yeah, it's quite

1186
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:10.800
detailed.

1187
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:11.400
Yeah.

1188
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:15.900
But this sequence, like, you brought up earlier, where they start

1189
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:18.420
laughing the Red Soft about the fact that he's pregnant.

1190
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:19.500
It's so distasteful.

1191
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.239
Yeah, it's great.

1192
00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:23.039
Are we supposed be laughing along with them?

1193
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.400
Yeah, is it funny that he's been...

1194
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.159
All these men are laughing at the fact that a man is pregnant?

1195
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.139
Yeah, yeah.

1196
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.920
Okay, you know, I just, I did just try and make a defence of Braga

1197
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.820
and Burman, but I think, you know, there's also this.

1198
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:43.380
Yeah, look, there's less of it than I expected, but there is still

1199
00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:45.539
enough of it to annoy the hell out of me, though.

1200
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:49.800
Well, because sort of the pregnancy thing is sort of a 10 minutes

1201
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.059
towards the end of the episode.

1202
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.880
You do wonder, what's the point of that?

1203
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.860
It's the title.

1204
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.480
Like, it's more than 10 minutes.

1205
00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:59.760
It's like nearly half the episode.

1206
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:01.980
Um, but yeah.

1207
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.940
But of course, as well, we had to have a bit of action, didn't

1208
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:06.179
we?

1209
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.519
I shot fired and yeah, yeah, yeah.

1210
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:11.039
It's like the, that's okay. like have action.

1211
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:13.619
You remember all those sort of sitcom episodes of DSNI we watched

1212
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:14.460
where there's none of that?

1213
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:16.679
And it's just perfectly agreeable to watch.

1214
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.960
But I bet if you went and watched every Enterprise episode, I bet

1215
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.780
there is an action sequence in every single episode, whether it's

1216
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:25.260
needed or not.

1217
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.179
I'm not against action.

1218
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.980
No.

1219
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:33.059
But I have to say that anyone who complains about discoveries

1220
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:39.360
Klingons or um, Star Trek beyond like the, um, other Star Trek

1221
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:45.119
films, Klingons should have to watch this because it's like it's

1222
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:50.699
now year 15 of these fucking Klingons and they're so played and

1223
00:51:50.699 --> 00:51:54.780
they're so tired and there's nothing alien or interesting about

1224
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.139
them anymore because we've just done them to death.

1225
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:02.219
You know, we have to do them now and they're just super boring.

1226
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.659
Like they're just.

1227
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.179
Well, you sort of have the Klingons turning up here and it is just

1228
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:08.099
like this, these sort of random characters.

1229
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.099
You had them turning up in Voyager in prophecy when they thought

1230
00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:15.059
Belana Torres's baby was the sacred prophet of the Klingons.

1231
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.380
What are you doing with this?

1232
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.679
The last time they were interesting was when we talked about it in

1233
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.440
the Purpatory Shadow was when you had Wharf and Martog.

1234
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:27.119
And it was about the relationship rather than the race, you know?

1235
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:31.199
No, it's just this sort of boring crap, you know.

1236
00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:35.340
And like he says something about Stovacor as well, and I kind of

1237
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:37.139
think, oh, come on, fuck off.

1238
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.960
And I hate to say this, but this is now a cliche number, you know

1239
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.519
what, five, 6 in this episode?

1240
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.860
Yeah, yeah, there we go.

1241
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.420
There's Stoker.

1242
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.300
Oh, and there's Hoshi explaining that it means the afterlife.

1243
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:49.139
Like, really, go away.

1244
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.699
Well, it's nice that you got a life.

1245
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.500
Yeah, that's true.

1246
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.019
I don't think Andy Montgomery said a thing, yeah.

1247
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.659
Apart from, you know, what for, sir?

1248
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1249
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.579
No, both of them have just said functional dialogue and that's

1250
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:03.000
all.

1251
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:06.900
He should have said exactly what Tim Ross said in that interview

1252
00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:10.019
you know, is that the one where I said, they're approaching us on

1253
00:53:10.019 --> 00:53:11.159
a course, captain.

1254
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.840
I love that episode, you know?

1255
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:19.980
So is, is it in Broken Bow Part 2 that um, Archer goes to the

1256
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:20.880
Klingon home world?

1257
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.199
Yeah, it is.

1258
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:27.059
Yeah, to take that. spectacular CGI shot, as you saw earlier.

1259
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:29.519
Right, brilliant.

1260
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:33.960
Like, I don't, I don't want to piss anymore, but that is, hey

1261
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:35.159
really terrible pilot.

1262
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:36.000
Broken bow.

1263
00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:36.719
Is it?

1264
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:37.079
Yeah.

1265
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.159
I have seen it.

1266
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:38.760
I have seen it.

1267
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:42.840
I think I think the levels of races have displayed in that would

1268
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.219
really turn anybody off.

1269
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.019
Unfortunately, show.

1270
00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:48.360
Yeah.

1271
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.820
Oh, here we go now. thought that was a good idea.

1272
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.079
I did find out he's pregnant.

1273
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:53.639
Laughter and shoes.

1274
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:54.659
Ah.

1275
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:58.019
Like, this is the climax of the bloody story.

1276
00:53:58.139 --> 00:53:59.460
Yeah, yeah.

1277
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.119
Yeah.

1278
00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:05.880
So, and it's the holography thing.

1279
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:13.619
Like, so so human beings encounter the holodeck in 2151, and yet

1280
00:54:13.619 --> 00:54:18.360
Picard is super surprised by it in like 23, whatever.

1281
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:22.559
And like, that doesn't matter. like whatever, but it doesn't

1282
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:26.699
really make a great deal of sense and it's sort of super boring.

1283
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.960
Like it actually makes a holodeck even more boring because it's a

1284
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.900
thrilling news technological development in series one of Star

1285
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:37.679
Trek, but it turns out that it's already existed for 100s of years

1286
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:41.880
and like whatever, you know, we gave it to some Klingons so that

1287
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:43.380
they could look at their house.

1288
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.480
There's that stupid line where, um, what's his name?

1289
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.239
Vorox says, oh, I can see my house from here.

1290
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:56.519
Well, the shame is, um, do you remember we watched the masterpiece

1291
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:57.420
society recently?

1292
00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:01.500
And we were sort of bemoaning the lack of chemistry between Troy

1293
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:03.059
and what was his name?

1294
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:03.960
Kevin Darren.

1295
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:05.760
It was some...

1296
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.119
Thank you.

1297
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.000
I knew it was a very plain name.

1298
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:10.739
Sorry to any hours listening.

1299
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:17.099
But what you had here was 2 actors with genuine chemistry at the

1300
00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:19.679
beginning of the episode and we've abandoned that for this.

1301
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1302
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.900
Look, there's, like, it doesn't even look like he's pregnant.

1303
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:25.800
Showing off his abs.

1304
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:27.360
What's he being what's he being ashamed of?

1305
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.400
It's so chaste, isn't it?

1306
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:31.199
Yeah.

1307
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:34.559
They should have given a massive stomach, yeah.

1308
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.360
Yeah.

1309
00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.280
Like they're so timid about it.

1310
00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:41.159
It's supposed to be funny and it's supposed to be humiliating for

1311
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.079
him and stuff, but like what?

1312
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.739
Okay, I could just genuinely, what I want to do is have a peek

1313
00:55:49.739 --> 00:55:52.980
into the room of somebody, you know, new to enterprise back in the

1314
00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:56.219
day when this 1st came out watching this and seeing their reaction

1315
00:55:56.219 --> 00:55:56.579
to it.

1316
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:58.980
What the hell is going on here?

1317
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:03.900
And so there's a failure to be about anything. isn't there?

1318
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.519
Like, they bring the Klingons back in.

1319
00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:09.960
And at this point, the show is mostly invested in just being Star

1320
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:10.500
Trek.

1321
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:12.239
Like it doesn't have anything.

1322
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:16.079
I'm going to say something that you're really going to dislike.

1323
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:21.000
At least, and I know this a 1000000 problems with this episode, at

1324
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:27.000
least profit and lace, came to a conclusion where he says, I've

1325
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.019
learned to be more empathetic.

1326
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:28.739
I've learned this.

1327
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.679
She says, well, you made a terrible son, but a wonderful

1328
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:32.280
daughter.

1329
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:35.699
Like, but they do try and tie it up.

1330
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.260
There's no Apple.

1331
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:37.860
Yeah, yeah.

1332
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.960
But this isn't about anything.

1333
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:42.599
And you know, of course, the profit and lace doesn't go anywhere

1334
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.960
because he never actually genuinely shows anymore empathy or

1335
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.039
anything afterwards.

1336
00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:49.739
False sequences in that episode.

1337
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.340
Yeah.

1338
00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:50.579
Yeah.

1339
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.920
That's Ira Bear, you know, what was going on there?

1340
00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:55.500
Yeah, dreadful.

1341
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:56.880
We did let heal about it as well.

1342
00:56:56.940 --> 00:56:58.980
We had his moments, Captain's holiday.

1343
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.659
Oh my god.

1344
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.440
Look at this. in a amazing city in the far distance.

1345
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.280
In the far distance, just predicted on the wall behind us.

1346
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:11.039
I've seen backcloths in the 60s Doctor Who that look more

1347
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:12.059
convincing than that shot.

1348
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:17.940
No, like that is a nice CG shot with like with real practical

1349
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:18.360
moments.

1350
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.900
No, it's a it's a nicely designed shop, but they're just matted

1351
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:22.320
into it.

1352
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:27.360
Like, you know, like they're standing in front of a... renders the

1353
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:28.019
shock.

1354
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:29.820
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1355
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.639
No, no, it's a pretty design, but it's just a shitty shot.

1356
00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:37.260
And the whole point of it is let's show how realistic holography

1357
00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:42.179
is and it just looks like a cheap scene from a sort of crappy 90s

1358
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:43.860
Star Trek show, you know?

1359
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.579
You see that?

1360
00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:47.039
We have no interesting meeting you again, humans.

1361
00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:48.360
Yeah, you know.

1362
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:53.699
The only thing worse than spending 3 hours in a decompression bay

1363
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:56.880
is watching this episode twice in a day.

1364
00:57:56.940 --> 00:57:59.760
I did watch this episode twice.

1365
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:03.179
This is the 3rd time I've done it a week.

1366
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.840
The things I do for the podcast.

1367
00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:08.400
Oh my god.

1368
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:14.460
And I quite like this too, where Archer is about to, like, he

1369
00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:17.940
thinks that he's very highly regarded in the Klingon Empire.

1370
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:23.519
And Paul says, no, I was just bullshitting.

1371
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:29.159
You know, I forgot to mention my favourite line in the whole

1372
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:29.519
episode.

1373
00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:33.239
The one bit that made me laugh was when Tapol says to Tripp, and

1374
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:37.500
she's still being a prick, but she goes, you should, um, oh, what

1375
00:58:37.500 --> 00:58:38.099
is it she says?

1376
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.739
You should be careful where you stick your hands or something. you

1377
00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:41.400
put stick hands?

1378
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:43.440
No, you said that before we pressed by.

1379
00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:47.639
And I said, because it's one of her lines that should end with the

1380
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:49.079
words, you fucking idiot.

1381
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1382
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.900
Off they go into the distance, having...

1383
00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:55.739
Not exciting adventures.

1384
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.099
Nothing.

1385
00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:00.840
We've just mashed together a whole bunch of Star Treky things. from

1386
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:05.699
the future of the program and we've managed to be less offensive

1387
00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:08.519
than you might have expected about trips pregnancy.

1388
00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:10.019
I'm sorry.

1389
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.440
I love it when you deliver fake breaks.

1390
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.460
We've managed to be less offensive than you feared we would be.

1391
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.500
Yeah, that's right.

1392
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:20.940
Well, there you go.

1393
00:59:21.179 --> 00:59:23.579
What an achievement.

1394
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:29.460
But I genuinely think maybe the 1st 15 minutes of that or maybe

1395
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:32.880
the 1st half of it is substantially better.

1396
00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:36.000
And then the whole thing just goes to hell because essentially

1397
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.199
there's nowhere to go.

1398
00:59:37.260 --> 00:59:42.719
The pregnancy thing is just stupid and like, what are we going to

1399
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:43.199
do with that?

1400
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:46.739
And so it turns out we just bring Klingons in for some jeopardy

1401
00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:48.000
and like what?

1402
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:48.960
I don't know.

1403
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:52.019
I suggest the 1st 15 minutes were inoffensive.

1404
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.760
And I think that's being kind.

1405
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:57.119
Whereas the last half an hour was just a bit tedious.

1406
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:03.659
But it did some things that I like, which was it showed us why

1407
01:00:03.659 --> 01:00:07.500
we're out here, you know, that this is why we're here and what our

1408
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:11.639
mission is, and it showed Connor's character really enjoying

1409
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:11.940
that.

1410
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:13.800
For the 1st time as well.

1411
01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:17.340
Yeah, it had some really attempts at weird visuals.

1412
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.239
There was chemistry between him and the guest actor, you know, I

1413
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:21.659
thought that was good.

1414
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.559
You're right about the facts that we're only just exploring these

1415
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:26.639
sets for the 1st time.

1416
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:31.440
Like, we're not watching this our order, but at this point in the

1417
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:32.099
show's run.

1418
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.679
If you're watching them in order, then we're like, okay, we want

1419
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:36.599
to see the ship and we want to...

1420
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:37.079
Yeah, yeah.

1421
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:38.159
So there is that.

1422
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:38.699
And I like that.

1423
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:42.900
But I'm telling you now, we'll stop this recording and I won't

1424
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.519
remember this in half an hour's time.

1425
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:47.699
No, I think I'm faded to remember it.

1426
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:51.719
I think I'll be thinking about this episode on my deathbed.

1427
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:54.360
Can I ask you, we never do this sort of thing, and I know you

1428
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:55.800
don't like doing this sort of thing.

1429
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:58.739
But like, where does this one fall in the sort of enterprises that

1430
01:00:58.739 --> 01:00:59.219
we've done?

1431
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:04.380
cogenitor, Strange New World, the two-parter Terra Prime.

1432
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.260
Yeah, I mean, Terra Prime is a better.

1433
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.480
You know, they've learned how to make enterprise at that point.

1434
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:10.739
It's boring in some way.

1435
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.019
But it's cough, but I thought it was, you know, substantially

1436
01:01:13.019 --> 01:01:13.320
better.

1437
01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:14.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1438
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.239
I think it's competent.

1439
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:17.460
Cogenitor's more interesting. things going for.

1440
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:23.099
Cogenitor is a better hour of television that has a clear idea of

1441
01:01:23.099 --> 01:01:26.099
what it wants to do, but what it wants to do is absolutely fucked

1442
01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:29.579
and it's a, it's a disgrace.

1443
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.699
I think it's, say, a night in Sick Bay is still the best

1444
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:33.780
enterprise we've watched.

1445
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.780
I think a night in Sick Bay is the best enterprise.

1446
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.699
You are so contrary, I swear.

1447
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.440
It's really fun.

1448
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:41.880
They chase a bat.

1449
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:44.760
Hoshi gets to do something. like there's all sorts of functions

1450
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.699
light in it. and I know they acknowledge that a lot.

1451
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1452
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.599
It's an episode about what an asshole archery.

1453
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:52.559
So I thought it was really good.

1454
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:53.880
About time somebody said it.

1455
01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:57.659
Yeah, but I think cogenitor is good, but I think cogenitor is so

1456
01:01:57.659 --> 01:01:59.460
unstar treky and so gross.

1457
01:01:59.579 --> 01:02:04.260
Like the politics of it are so bad that I just can't like it.

1458
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:05.340
It made me furious.

1459
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:10.679
What's frustrating is we haven't had an out and out win, I don't

1460
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:11.159
think. yeah.

1461
01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:11.820
No.

1462
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.159
And I think there are a couple in there.

1463
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:16.079
So I'm hoping we do at some point.

1464
01:02:16.139 --> 01:02:19.019
It would be real nice to just fully endorse this show.

1465
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:20.280
It's like, you know what?

1466
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.059
This is a good example.

1467
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.739
Have they all been as good as this?

1468
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.420
We might have had a winner on our ass.

1469
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:25.320
Yeah.

1470
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:27.900
Look, like, I don't know.

1471
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.739
It was all right.

1472
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.000
Like nobody died.

1473
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:32.340
Stop it.

1474
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.800
Half-heart compliments.

1475
01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:44.579
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1476
01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:48.719
work out what we're going to watch next time, and it's my go on

1477
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:52.619
the button, so I'm here at Untitled Star Trek Project.com slash

1478
01:02:52.619 --> 01:02:56.519
Randomiser, and I want you to ask me what we're doing.

1479
01:02:56.579 --> 01:02:59.820
Oh, Nathan, what are we going to be doing next week?

1480
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.019
Which shows are we covering?

1481
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.599
So I have done this before.

1482
01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:08.519
We are going to watch an animated episode of Star Trek.

1483
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.519
Does that include prodigy?

1484
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:13.980
So animated series.

1485
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:18.179
Short Treks has 2 or 3 animated things, so I've included that.

1486
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.000
Star Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek Prodigy.

1487
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:22.019
Okay.

1488
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:22.860
Yeah.

1489
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.639
So it'll be one of those. whether it's good or not, who can say?

1490
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.820
I mean, by a law of odds, we'll get an animated series episode

1491
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:31.920
because there's more of those than the others put together.

1492
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:33.420
Let's go.

1493
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.260
We've only ever done one animated series one, and this is episode

1494
01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:37.920
69.

1495
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.380
Star Trek project, I think.

1496
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.539
I gave that free stars, you know.

1497
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:47.760
Oh, God, but he gave Wolf in the fold 3 stars as well. right.

1498
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:54.659
Okay, your random Star Trek prodigy episode is Dreamcatcher, which

1499
01:03:54.659 --> 01:03:57.179
is season one, episode four.

1500
01:03:57.300 --> 01:04:00.059
I have no idea what happened.

1501
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:02.760
We've done 2 projects, we've done 2 of 10, haven't we?

1502
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:04.500
Yeah, no, there's 20.

1503
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:06.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1504
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:09.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah. they did the 2nd half of the season.

1505
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So they did a split 1st season of 10 episodes each.

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And it comes to a conclusion and a really lovely conclusion

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01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:17.219
actually.

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I'm looking forward to seeing what they do next, but it was pretty

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01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:20.699
good.

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01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:22.679
I haven't watched it through.

1511
01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:26.099
I probably should have, but I really liked what I saw or why I've

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01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:26.579
seen so far.

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01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.960
Well, I won't rule out prodigy, but it might be nice to do one

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01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.199
from the 2nd half of the season where things have shaken up a

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01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:34.619
bit.

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01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:38.039
Things change a little bit in that 2nd half and I think that'll be

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01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:38.880
interesting to talk about.

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01:04:38.940 --> 01:04:40.800
Okay, so press the button again.

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01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:45.420
Uh, time amuck, uh, which we've done?

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01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.019
We did Untitle Star Trek Project, episode 22.

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01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:53.099
I do love the fact that a randomiser tells you that as well.

1522
01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:56.880
Yes, yeah, I like to advertise our show.

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01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:00.300
So this one's called Preludes, and I think we'll do this.

1524
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.780
This is season one, episode 16 of Prodigy.

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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:09.119
So this is in the 2nd half of the 1st season in the in the split.

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01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.920
So things have moved on a little bit.

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01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:12.360
You'll get it.

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01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.800
You know, it's a kids' show.

1529
01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:15.119
It's not going to be hard to follow.

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01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:19.980
But I think it takes an interesting tack and we're nearing the

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01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:20.280
end.

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01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.559
So it ends in episode 20.

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01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:26.820
What are the odds of putting all of those in and getting 3

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01:05:26.820 --> 01:05:28.199
prodigies coming up?

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01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:29.039
back to back.

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01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:30.059
I'll show you.

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01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:30.840
I swear.

1538
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.460
I don't know. you a liar.

1539
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:33.420
I've collected them.

1540
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.780
Yeah, it's just luck, you know. what are you going to do?

1541
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.880
Or JavaScript, pseudo.

1542
01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:40.500
Oh, they got sub rose at once, you know?

1543
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.480
The randomiser is eclectic.

1544
01:05:42.539 --> 01:05:44.280
Yeah, it loves us.

1545
01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:46.079
All right, so let's do that.

1546
01:05:46.139 --> 01:05:49.980
I mean, it's more Janeway, more hologram, hologrammatic Janeway.

1547
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.780
Much more Jane...

1548
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.639
I can't remember.

1549
01:05:53.699 --> 01:05:58.320
He isn't in it in person, but he might be in it in flashback or as

1550
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.980
a hologram at some point, but he's not in any major way, I don't

1551
01:06:01.980 --> 01:06:05.099
think, but Janeway is...

1552
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.920
Murth episode, you know, going into all of his backstory.

1553
01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:08.940
He's my favourite.

1554
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:09.840
I love it.

1555
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:11.099
He's so good.

1556
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:11.940
He's so good.

1557
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.420
That amazing bit, the pilot where they're trying to escape the

1558
01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:18.659
mining colony or wherever it was, and they had the ship's blowing

1559
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:21.780
up, and, you know, they're in terrible danger, and Murph just

1560
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:22.800
slides across the bridge.

1561
01:06:22.860 --> 01:06:25.440
It was so funny. so great.

1562
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:26.639
So much.

1563
01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:29.280
Okay, well, I can't wait because we barely touch this.

1564
01:06:29.340 --> 01:06:31.260
So I think there's plenty to talk about.

1565
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:32.820
Brilliant.

1566
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:33.300
Excellent.

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01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:44.699
Let's do it You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project

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01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:46.500
with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1569
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.739
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1570
01:06:49.739 --> 01:06:52.980
links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook and YouTube channel.

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01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.760
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisserin, and the theme was

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01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:58.380
composed by Cameron Lamb.

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01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.639
This episode was recorded on the 5th of June 2023 and released on

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01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:04.079
the 16th of June.

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01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:08.400
We'll see you next time for Star Trek prodigy and news.

1576
01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:27.960
You know, the next episode, you know, it's all about Anthony

1577
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:29.099
Montgomery's character.

1578
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:31.559
It's the one episode he got in the four year rum.

1579
01:07:31.619 --> 01:07:33.119
Oh, okay.

1580
01:07:33.179 --> 01:07:34.380
Does he have a brother or something?

1581
01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:38.280
He's, what was he, a boomer?

1582
01:07:38.340 --> 01:07:41.039
I think it's a fella, a fella boomer comes along or something.

1583
01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:41.519
Yeah, okay.

1584
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:42.300
It's very boring.

1585
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:45.239
Yeah, okay, it's season one of Enterprise.

1586
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:46.079
I don't remember.

1587
01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:46.860
Yeah.

1588
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.860
Let's see.

1589
01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:52.500
All right.

1590
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.519
Do you know what?

1591
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:57.719
The more I think about it, the more the half-hearted compliments

1592
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.159
you throw at terrible episodes.

1593
01:07:59.219 --> 01:08:02.400
I think they're the funniest moments of this podcast.

1594
01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:07.019
A bit in dramatic persona where you went, yeah, well, you wanted

1595
01:08:07.019 --> 01:08:08.519
to learn how to tell the time.

1596
01:08:08.579 --> 01:08:09.719
Sorry, made a...

1597
01:08:09.900 --> 01:08:15.599
He didn't know what time it was. and he really would quite like to

1598
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:15.900
know.

1599
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.300
Oh, dear, oh, dear.

1600
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:21.960
Yeah, you are right.

1601
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.399
It could have been a lot worse.

1602
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.939
Yeah, I thought it was gonna be much more offensive than that.

1603
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.300
Wait till you watch the wrong wet. goes through Pomphar.

1604
01:08:30.539 --> 01:08:33.359
He like wants to fuck everyone on the show.

1605
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:34.920
But it's all filmed like a horror movie.

1606
01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:40.859
Like a sexually voracist woman is something to fear.

1607
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.060
Oh, dear.

1608
01:08:45.180 --> 01:08:45.659
Okay.

1609
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:46.800
What are we gonna do?

1610
01:08:49.979 --> 01:08:52.500
I should look at what we've done.

1611
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.420
What did we do last week?

1612
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.760
we did Picard. last week.

1613
01:08:56.819 --> 01:09:00.180
We did this now the week before, but a bit of a run of 90s.

1614
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:01.739
Oh, no, we did TOS the week before, sorry.

1615
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.800
Yeah, we have actually mixed it up a bit, aren't we, the last

1616
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.039
couple?

1617
01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:07.979
I've got one.

1618
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.640
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

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01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.380
work out what we're going to watch next.