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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back in the realms of Kurtzman Trek, and given the huge

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event that was Star Trek Picard series 3, just a few weeks ago, it

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turns out we're doing the episode of Picard that comes in just

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before that, the final episode of series 2, which everyone has

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forgotten.

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It was broadcast about a year ago, maybe just slightly more than

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that, and it's called Farewell.

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Do you remember when you were pushing the button about 500 times

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last week?

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And every time we got Picard, you were going, no, it's not series

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3.

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We were desperate to talk about that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I'm really keen to do series 3 and we obviously will go

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there and we've talked a little bit about it on the podcast

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because it's hard to avoid.

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But this actually is farewell because it is goodbye to a version

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of Picard that doesn't come back this year, that what we get this

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year is completely different.

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Even to the point where, you know, you don't have the titles, you

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don't have the opening music.

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It's a completely different show.

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So, Terry, I don't know how to say his name.

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I think?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so he is a producer on this version of the show.

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He doesn't sort of come in and take over in series 3 or anything

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like that.

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But it is very much his thing series three.

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And I think he did a magnificent job.

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He did exactly what we wanted, perhaps, as fans, and I think what

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the original cast of Star Trek, The Next Generation, wanted to do

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too.

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The fact that they all came back for it quite happily.

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But I think it is worth remembering that you don't get Patrick

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Stewart back for that, you know, originally.

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And what brings him back, I think, is the chance to star in a

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different kind of Star Trek show and a show that has ambitions to

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say something.

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I think it was important to Stuart that the show have some

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political purpose.

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And I think both of those 1st 2 series do that.

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I'm less convinced about Picard Serious 3 than you are, and that's

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why I want to talk about it, because I think it started with an

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awful lot of promise, and essentially became a massive blank job

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to TNG by the end of the series.

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That's not really what I was there for.

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Well, I think that that's what everyone else was there for.

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And I think that that's actually what it promised.

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And I think I remember the moment where the Enterprise D appears.

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And it turns out that they're going to save the day in the

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Enterprise D together.

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And I thought, holy shit.

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How did I not realise that that was where we were going to go all

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along?

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Well, I don't think that's where we were going all along.

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I think in that last series, they said, right, well, here's our

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opportunity to really delve into nostalgia.

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But if that's where they were going, why did they do series one

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and series 2 of Picardo in a completely different direction?

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Interestingly, watching this.

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You know, the trade-off is you lose fantastic characters like

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Agnes and Rios, who I think by the end of their 1st series, this

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ensemble came together in a pretty spectacular way.

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And those 1st couple of episodes of series 2.

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I was so on board with Picard at that point.

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I didn't watch all the two.

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So I'm guessing I was less convinced as it went along.

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And instead you, you know, you kick out those characters and bring

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back Dr. Bev and Counsellor Troy.

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I mean, come on, you think that's an upgrade?

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Well, yeah, in a way, because I think this is the last chance to

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get that.

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And I think because these guys had a pretty crummy run in the

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films.

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This felt to me like a proper Star Trek, the Next Generation film

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where we'd had time to miss them like we did with the original

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crew.

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So where it was a real reunion.

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It wasn't just, you know, next week at the office, we're shooting

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Star Trek generations and no time has passed.

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So we've had sort of a proper time to miss them, proper time to

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kind of appreciate them.

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And rather than it just being Burman producing the films of the

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show that he had produced, it's a whole new group of producers

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with a completely different aesthetic, uh, with, you know

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different types of dialogue, with different types of TV writing

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and serialisation.

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And so it's great seeing all of those people in that context.

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So I really liked series three.

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I think it was an achievement.

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But I can only imagine the actors who were playing these roles in

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Picard felt a bit like the actors who played roles for 4 years in

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Enterprise when TNG came along in the last episode and went

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actually, we're what this is all about.

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Oh, you know, overall, was what I think is those characters, this

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ensemble, had massive potential.

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I don't think it was entirely realised, but the potential was

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definitely there.

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So I think, like, I suspect that the reason that we get rid of

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Rios and Agnes, and I think we get rid of Agnes last week, actually

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in last week's episode. was going to ask about that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, my memory of it's not very strong, but I think that last

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week she's off to the Delta Quadrant.

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So we get rid of Rios and her at the end of this series because

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we're anticipating doing Picard series 3 with all of the next

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generation cast, perhaps.

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So, you know, they kind of reach the natural end.

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Rios, I think, has a good ending in this episode.

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Well, that character could sparehead a Star Trek show.

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He is so good.

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He is so charismatic and such an interesting character as well.

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Yeah, no, we were imagining Star Trek Rios sort of carrying on.

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Frequently. contractual obligation shower scene.

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Yeah, yeah, as well.

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So, like, he was really great.

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We did keep Raffi and we did keep 7 and I think that they were

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both spectacular and they were well served in series three.

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So I was really glad about that.

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And there were attempts to do other things, like I think they were

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going to bring Soji perhaps back, but they never ended up being

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able to do it.

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You know, I thought it was a shame that Eleanor kind of vanishes

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after barely being in this season.

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You know, he gets to be alive at the end. when you said, oh, well

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Noel came back.

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I was like, who?

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I don't think he didn't make too much of an impact on me.

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Little Bromulant Truth Ninja.

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He was adorable.

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He was so cute in series one.

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You know what's shocking about this episode. is kind of how muted

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it is.

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Now, I don't know what, I did quite like this.

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And I thought, sort of, soon to seeing it worked fairly well, but

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when it was over, I was like, well, like a, this is technically a

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series finale or the card as it was originally envisioned.

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It was so quiet and a little bit underwhelming.

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Well, I mean, series 3 of Picard was careful to kind of end the

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plot to end the kind of conflict and things quite early in that

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final episode, and about half of the final episode was kind of

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devoted to us doing stuff with the characters and seeing where

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they went.

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So I guess this does that as well.

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I think the problem with this. is there's a big mystery setup

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which is that something is about to happen over the next few days

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that will be the inflection point between the future that brings

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us Star Trek and the future that brings us the confederation.

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And I don't think that that's strongly emphasised.

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And maybe it's made clear to us in part 9 exactly what that's

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going to be, but I doubt it.

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And so here it's very muted.

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Well, I said to you, I was watching the previously on Picard, thick

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figuring, you know what?

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It's the season finale. going to catch me up with the whole

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season.

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Actually, it gave me a couple of clips from the last few episodes

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and didn't explain really what was going on.

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So I was like, okay, I went into this going, okay, I get the fact

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that if that rocket doesn't go up, that, you know, then that is

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going to bring that other timeline to be for what, for some reason

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I just couldn't figure it out.

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And it isn't detailed within the episode.

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Well, I think it is, I think it is eventually made clear in the

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episode and I think the show has something to say, but I do think

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it's a bit undercooked.

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And I think that, you know, this season story is a story that kind

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of peters out a little bit and needed a little bit more of a

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bang.

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Another thing that surprised me was where I chipped out of the

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season, which was sort of episode 4 or five. and then where this

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starts, there's not like between that and that, there's not a

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great deal of plot.

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So what happened in those 5 episodes?

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Yeah, I think he missed a lot of sort of fun stuff with the Borg

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Queen and Agnes.

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There is sort of terrible inside Picard's head episode, which is

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best forgotten.

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Is it a bit sexy?

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No, no, no, no.

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It's kind of like, you know, like a, you know, how they do one of

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these episodes where we're in the character's head and everyone

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play, you know, they do it on Deep Space 9 every couple of seasons

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where in Julian's head with a lady who... with terrible old age

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latex.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So there's that sort of stuff.

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And there's more stuff about talent, uh, who is the spiritual kind

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of um, successor to Gary 7 from, I don't even remember what that's

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called.

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Is it called Assignment Earth?

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More on her departure later.

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Okay?

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Yes.

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Yeah, I thought that was very strange. very old.

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Yeah.

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But, um, you know, like I think it worked really well.

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I thought there were some really good bits.

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I certainly thought that the bit with Rios and Teresa and Rios and

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Ricardo and stuff and all of that introduction in the medical

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centre and the fact that, you know, Ice is the villain and all of

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that kind of thing.

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Like I thought that stuff immediately after assimilation.

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I think we watched it, didn't we?

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We watched an episode called Assimilation together for untitled

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Star Trek Project.

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And what happened immediately after that, I thought, was really

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really good.

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So I think there's some great stuff in this season.

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And this is a kind of interesting, but you're right, a sort of

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muted finale to the whole enterprise, I think.

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Because I went in and 1st of all, I spent the 1st 10 minutes going

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okay, where is every character?

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What's going on, you know?

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And we are completely in this period of television now, whereas if

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you don't watch it all, you sometimes you don't catch up.

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You know?

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And I was a bit irritating.

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And then they're all sort of doing fun things trying to stop this

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rocket from not going up.

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So I was like, okay, this feels like I'm getting heavy Star Trek 4

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vibes here. contemporary times. everyone's sort of working

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together to stop this catastrophe from happening.

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And I was really involved.

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And then you're right, the whole 2nd half.

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It was a lot of quiet character moments.

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Yeah.

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Look, kind of worked because the, I think the characters are

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formed now and a lot of them are saying goodbye and that's really

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sad.

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Yeah, quiet.

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For a season finale in modern day television. extremely quiet.

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Yeah.

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Watch it, don't you think?

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I think we should.

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I will count us in then. 543, two, one, and we're off.

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Like, what was the reaction to this season?

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Do you know?

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Um, I have never really met anyone who's sort of wholeheartedly

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into Star Trek, Picard, have to say, in a way that...

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I was, like, I liked both seasons.

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I think series 2 is better than one.

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I love the politics of both series. like their attempts to be

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political.

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I like the fact that it's not a spaceship-based show necessarily

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which I think is interesting.

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It's funny, you know.

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I think the thing I like about it now, those 1st few years, is it

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dares to be different.

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Yeah.

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And it's a bit darker as well.

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It's sort of Star Trek with an age.

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We're still allowed to say fuck on this version of Star Trek, but

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we aren't understood.

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Every now and again.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Well, Picard says it in series three.

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Who the hell is Renee Picard?

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This is another thing I was trying to figure out.

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So she's the astronaut on board the Europa mission.

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So she is obviously an ancestor of Pecans or someone related to

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the car.

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We've never heard about before.

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Well, he's got lots of ancestors we've never heard about.

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That's okay.

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So she is the one who's sort of making this decision.

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And so here is Agnes as the Borg queen explaining what's at

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stake.

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She has come to yet another song.

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This is Adam Song, um, who is a sort of tech billionaire and has

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convinced him that if he, if he stops the Europa launch or stops

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Renee getting on the Europa launch, then it'll be his technology

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that's used to mitigate the problems of climate change.

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Right?

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And so all of those hexagonal shields that we saw in the

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atmosphere in the Confederation episode that was keeping people

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alive, even though climate change, that was all originally his

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technology.

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And so there's a statue of him. in the future.

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And so that's why he agrees.

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So the Agnes Borg Queen comes and explains that's the situation.

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Because what's going to happen is she's going to find a compound

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on Europa that is important.

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Right.

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I promise I won't do this too much.

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But why is not Laris?

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Who is this person?

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Yes, and now, okay, so...

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I'm like, is this Laris, what's going on?

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No, it's not Lara.

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So this character's called Talon.

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And she is a supervisor.

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And there's an episode called The Watch It.

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We actually think that Guynan is the watcher, probably in 2022 or

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2024, I think this is set.

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But it turns out it's her.

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And she is exactly like Gary 7 in, I want to say a Simon Earth.

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Do you remember that weird thing?

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The guy with the cat.

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Yeah.

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And so that's why, for instance, the transporter effect, her

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transporter effect is, and I think we're about to see it.

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It's those clouds in the doorway, that's from that episode.

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So again, it's one of these things where Kurt's a nice touch.

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Yes, I think so too. slightly silly.

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That, I don't think it's ever exploded.

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You know what it is?

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They know, but she's going to be written out in three.

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Well, we need to give her a part.

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We need to give her something to do before we get rid of her.

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All of Brady.

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We have all of Brady and she's fantastic.

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And she always has terrific chemistry with Patrick Stewart.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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A bit annoyed, you know, in series, season three.

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A lot of things annoyed me, didn't they?

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But that annoyed me where he was like, 0 yeah, we're having this

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relationship now.

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And then Dr. Bev comes along with his son and he's like, Laris

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who?

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Well, yeah, and again, I think that that's something that they

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should perhaps have had more time for in the final episode is

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reuniting them, given that this episode, that this series is so

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much about getting that relationship going.

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Isn't this beautiful?

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Like, and the music, Jeff Russell's music.

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This is possibly my, the 2nd version of this score is my favourite

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title music.

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Or, uh, yeah, for Kurtzman Tray.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, I still love the discovery theme with all of the

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cellos and stuff, but this is so spectacular.

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It's got sort of all the beauty of the series one, isn't it?

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But it's got a bit of a pulse as well.

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Yeah, they use, they do use quite a bit of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation music in this, like the theme, and there's hints of the

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1st contact music as well, which is what they eventually go with

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for Star Trek, Picard 3. sort of looking back on Star Trek Picard

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now it's over.

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And I think sort of in 10 years time, it's going to feel like this

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very strange anomaly, isn't it?

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of like 2 seasons of attempting something new and then a massive

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love in or basically TNG series 8.

348
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Well, no, maybe a film, like a film sequel to Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, I think.

350
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Yeah, there's some of our films, you know.

351
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Yeah, but it's not anything like, um, it's not anything like a TV

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series, is it?

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Because it's...

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It doesn't usually when you say it's like Kursman Trek imagining

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what the TNG cars would be like if they genuinely were

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characters.

357
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Yeah, yeah.

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If they had a good film.

359
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First contact.

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That's a whole thing to suggest. is pretty good.

361
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Yeah, it's fun.

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It is fun.

363
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Yeah, yeah.

364
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Yeah, I thought I was going to see that fabulous ball queen in

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this.

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Yes, no, she has already.

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So there's an episode called Two of One, which is where her and

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Agnes go off kind of together and they're sort of the same person

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or they're sort of combined.

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Um, and it has a musical number in it, which Agnes sings in a

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beautiful red dress.

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I had a lot of that's pretty awesome.

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See, this is the opening titles to Star Trek series one and 2 to

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Next Generation series one and 2 as we fly past past the planets

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of the solar system.

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That's absolutely recreating that.

377
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Well, but with decent special effects.

378
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

379
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But boy, that, that, um, shit down along the, I keep saying rocket

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rocket, is it?

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Well, I think the shuttle, isn't it?

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Shuttle.

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There we go.

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I'm so 9050s.

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And I did think, um, you know, I do think Brett Sparker can be a

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bit overused in these things in multiple roles.

387
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I thought he was rather good in this, you know, as they.

388
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Yeah, yeah.

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It's such a prick to that poorly unlikeable.

390
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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's fantastic.

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And I do love that that Corey, who is sort of Soji, she was Soji

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in series one.

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I do really like how that scene where she deletes all his shit.

395
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I think that's pretty awesome where she gets her revenge in the

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library.

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Oh, I did like this.

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This here where they're talking about Agnes.

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And he goes, of course, I don't trust her.

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She's Borg and then she goes, well, actually, is she more your

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friend?

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Yeah.

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And then that gets picked up at the end.

404
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Remember, she says that she's come back because she needs a friend

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you know.

406
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So help me get my head around this because Obviously, at the

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beginning of the series, the Borg appears on the ship.

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That was always Agnes as a result of them going back in time and

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doing all of this.

410
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Yeah, which is why she just keeps her hat on.

411
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So that she doesn't spoil surprise.

412
00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:55.799
That might have muted the season. there, wouldn't it?

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That's right.

414
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This is where we're headed.

415
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But it's because the Borg are sending a message and the message is

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Edith Piaf singing nausea and regretory. and that's what gets

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Picard to...

418
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That was a great moment, wasn't it?

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In the 1st episode.

420
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

421
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So that's pretty awesome.

422
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Because he's French, you know, were pretty special.

423
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Yeah.

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I think episode 3 is really great as well.

425
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Like, I love it when they turn up in the present day.

426
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It's proper, you know, Star Trek 4.

427
00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:27.480
I've only done that twice before.

428
00:20:27.539 --> 00:20:30.539
I don't think anyone expected them to hang around in the present

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day for like 6 or 7 episodes.

430
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No, yeah.

431
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But I'm glad they did.

432
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I thought it was good.

433
00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:36.960
Again, this is more like a film.

434
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Do you know what I mean?

435
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Like this is what this is a novel or an extended film.

436
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Why does 7 of 9 have an enormous bloodstain on her show?

437
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I can't remember.

438
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Oh okay.

439
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I think she's okay.

440
00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:53.460
But the continuity is definitely earning his money.

441
00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:54.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

442
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So, yeah.

443
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Yeah.

444
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See, the other thing that's a set, you know, I think they've gone

445
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to some fabulous songs. spicy building, yeah.

446
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:06.839
Yeah, yeah.

447
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But also, I mean, this is a set, but the exterior of the building

448
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looks fantastic.

449
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And I actually quite like this sort of crappy sequence with the

450
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drones as well.

451
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It's just about the only thing Rios gets to do this episode is fly

452
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those drones.

453
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And I did think, you know what?

454
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Like, those drones go mad.

455
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I looked like nomads.

456
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So he attempts to kill Renee Picard with the sort of hand thing

457
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the poison, doesn't he?

458
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Yeah.

459
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And then he sends the drones out.

460
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And I thought, that's a pretty lame plan, you know, to take down

461
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that shuttle.

462
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With a drone.

463
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It's not very climactive, though, is it?

464
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No.

465
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They should have planted a massive bomb or something, you know?

466
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So her job, Talon's job, she's like Gary 7.

467
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She's a supervisor, and we learn later that the travellers appoint

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the supervisors.

469
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So we, that's Will Wheaton's job is to give her a bit of back.

470
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Wesley effectively sent Gary 7 into TOS.

471
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Because, you know, time means nothing to them.

472
00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:10.259
Exactly right.

473
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Oh, I can't wait to talk about that, obviously.

474
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.660
So funny, isn't it?

475
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.960
Ah, poor old Rios.

476
00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:22.079
See, these 2 are great together all the way through too, and the 2

477
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of them in the present day.

478
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

479
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But remember when, like, there's that fantastic scene where they

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appear and then he plummets off that, like, in a comedy scene, then

481
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he plummets off the balcony and is horribly injured and the whole

482
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thing kind of gets sort of pulled up quite shockingly.

483
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Are we, I don't want to ask this question, I'm going to, are we

484
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not doing more Picard just because Patrick Stewart is a very old

485
00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:47.099
man now?

486
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And so, you know, like, he's like, I need to give TV a rest.

487
00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.579
Like he had a lot to do in TNG series 3.

488
00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:56.039
Yeah, sorry, TNG, Picard series, right?

489
00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:56.880
Picard series, right?

490
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I knackered by the end of that.

491
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Yeah.

492
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Yeah, I think so.

493
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I think that he was in it for 3 series and you know, we were lucky

494
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to have him.

495
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And I think that whatever Kurtzman's plans had been for Star Trek

496
00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:14.460
the 2nd that he hears that Patrick Stewart's willing to do some, he

497
00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:17.880
just has to say, we'll just do that, you know, we have to do

498
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that.

499
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:20.519
And that's a good instinct, I think.

500
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:24.720
Yeah, we just miss Brent Spinder's 1st attempt there to be an

501
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:25.740
obnoxious prat.

502
00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.019
Yeah, yeah, he's really horrible.

503
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:29.700
It's fantastic, how horrible.

504
00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.400
Poor woman does not know what she's done wrong, does she?

505
00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

506
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:35.579
But yeah, it's really brutal.

507
00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:38.759
Do we know much about this actress playing Renee Picard?

508
00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:39.900
I don't really recognise her.

509
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:46.079
Uh, no, her name's Penelope Mitchell, but I don't know anything

510
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:46.680
about her.

511
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:52.380
So we've had to kind of keep her safe.

512
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.640
She's been worried about whether to do this and has been touch and

513
00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.900
go whether she's going to do it.

514
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.519
And the big scene at the reception for those astronauts, you know

515
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:05.460
is to try and make sure that she's not diverted from doing this

516
00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:08.220
because we know it's important, but at that time, we don't know

517
00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:08.579
why.

518
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.700
Yeah, look, here he is being a massive prick again.

519
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.440
What a terrible...

520
00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:14.759
I know, he's so great.

521
00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:17.220
I never thought we'd make it.

522
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:17.700
Wow.

523
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.019
You are hopeless. she is going to say dumb things, to be fair.

524
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.319
It's a bit contrived, isn't it, to get him off?

525
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:26.519
Never mind.

526
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:27.000
Yeah.

527
00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:31.440
But the thing is that he gets access to the astronauts, even

528
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.680
though they're in quarantine because he's a rich asshole who's

529
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.099
paid a lot of money towards this thing in order to stop it in

530
00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:39.480
order to have the opportunity to stop it.

531
00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:46.200
The twist in a minute where Talon is it, is posing as Renee, and

532
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.960
she's the one that gets poisoned instead of Renee, so she can go

533
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:49.980
up in the shuttle.

534
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.319
Well, I mean, this is my fault for not watching the rest of the

535
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.480
season because I'm like, oh, I didn't know she could do that.

536
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:57.359
That was that was more my shock rather than the fact that it

537
00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:58.200
wasn't Renee.

538
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.619
Yeah, although I quite like how they just, you know, like it's

539
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:04.380
established that it's some kind of perceptual shield or hologram

540
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:07.259
or something like that, by the way, that like I don't think she's

541
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.779
shapeshifted into her or anything like that.

542
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.059
It was a good moment all the same.

543
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:12.599
Yeah.

544
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.640
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:20.880
And I guess what they do here is they have a version of that

546
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:21.720
looked Tormay.

547
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:24.180
It's a book by...

548
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:25.019
Tracy Tormay.

549
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:26.940
Manheart of Fame.

550
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.920
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

551
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:33.119
I believe she also did the one at the hotel.

552
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:33.779
What's it called?

553
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:34.380
The Royale.

554
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.119
Yes, that's right.

555
00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:37.680
All those TNG classets.

556
00:25:37.740 --> 00:25:38.759
I think it's a he.

557
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:41.819
I think Tracy's a man's name bizarrely in that case.

558
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.259
Okay.

559
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:44.759
I feel like Kim Friedman.

560
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.200
I always think that's a woman and that's a man.

561
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:46.980
Okay, it's a man.

562
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:47.339
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:48.960
But you know what?

564
00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:53.460
I've really got a tangible sense. of fun from this cast and all of

565
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.259
this going on in the 1st half of the episode.

566
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:57.599
I'm like, oh, you know, I was like, there's something here.

567
00:25:57.660 --> 00:25:59.519
There's something really good here.

568
00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:03.539
I'm not sure they've quite got it to how amazing it could be, but

569
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:05.640
there's definitely something in the air and we're just about to

570
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:06.119
close the book.

571
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.319
Well, I think too, like they kind of realise what they had in all

572
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.039
of Brady.

573
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:15.119
You know, she maybe she had a husband in that 1st in the 1st

574
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:15.539
season.

575
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.500
Like she was just, it was the 2 of them who looked after Picard in

576
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:20.220
the vineyard.

577
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.740
And look at that special effect.

578
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:23.460
It's so great.

579
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.299
It's like a real practical building with a fake hatch in the

580
00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:27.539
roof.

581
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:28.920
Very thumbbirds, yeah.

582
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:30.960
Yeah, yeah. really fun, isn't it?

583
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:32.339
And look what I love.

584
00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:34.140
All the drones going out across the beach there.

585
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.900
You'd never know you were watching Star Trek, would you?

586
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.359
So good.

587
00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:43.500
So, futures, is it futures end?

588
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.019
What's the name of the one on the beach?

589
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:50.220
So that's, yeah, that's there, Star Trek 4, isn't it?

590
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.480
And I really like that as well.

591
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.039
I think that's really enjoyable.

592
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.700
Well, I mean, that has huge voyage home vibes as well to it.

593
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:58.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:58.500
Yeah.

595
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.980
I think it's a thing that works and they've only done it 3 times

596
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:06.180
now in 60 years or whatever, so that's okay.

597
00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:09.839
And I like this too.

598
00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:13.440
Because I don't remember this all that well, but I do remember

599
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.900
that, of course, she goes up.

600
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.160
And so when she storms out of here saying there's a crazy woman

601
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.119
who says she's my guardian angel from space, like I kind of knew

602
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.740
that this had to be talent.

603
00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:27.119
Oh, see, I did it.

604
00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:33.660
It's like we've made an agreement we've organised doing this.

605
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.279
I thought that that was pretty great.

606
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.980
So this is effectively the climax, isn't it?

607
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:39.240
is them stopping the drones.

608
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.799
Yeah, them stopping the drones and talons stopping, Adam.

609
00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:44.759
Yeah.

610
00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:45.599
Yeah.

611
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.660
It's kind of exciting.

612
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.099
I didn't think this one's terrible.

613
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.559
I thought I thought this had a good pace to it, you know.

614
00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:57.180
And even though I couldn't, I couldn't figure out why, you know

615
00:27:57.180 --> 00:28:00.839
stopping the launch was such a problem, it was still exciting.

616
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:01.799
Yeah.

617
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.019
Yes.

618
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.140
So, so here's what I think happens right?

619
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:13.380
I think there's a problem in that I don't think that we can really

620
00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:17.579
really imagine a satisfying ending to this plot.

621
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.660
I can't, and clearly the writers of this show can't.

622
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:26.160
So the idea is that there's one big event that happens in 2024

623
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.900
that is the difference between spiralling into kind of fascism and

624
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:36.960
ecological disaster and the exciting socialist utopia of, you know

625
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.680
the federation.

626
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.000
Sliding doors moment, isn't it?

627
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:39.599
Yeah.

628
00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:40.980
And so what is that going to be?

629
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.059
What is that decision?

630
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:48.059
And so when we learn that it's a dumb space thing, like she goes

631
00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:54.480
to Europa, which is one of the moons of Jupiter, and discovers a

632
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.200
thing, a compound, and I just sort of think, oh, really?

633
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:01.680
Come on, you know, like, what are we to take away from that?

634
00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:06.720
So how do we avoid the imminent sort of spiral into fascism that

635
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.140
appears to face us right now, even as we're sitting here?

636
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.400
But I do think the show sort of goes some way to answering it, but

637
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.900
I would I would have liked it to have perhaps put more effort into

638
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:19.079
that.

639
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:21.059
The thing is, the cards outfit.

640
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.680
The alternative timeline that we see is so extreme. isn't it?

641
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:26.460
It's fun.

642
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.380
I'm like, oh, how do we get from here to there?

643
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:32.099
That's, that's, you know, but here's what I think, right?

644
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:38.460
This version of Star Trek that we have now, um, we like, but the

645
00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:41.819
alt-right hates because they hate diversity.

646
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.519
They hate, you know, gender representation.

647
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:45.660
It's too woke.

648
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:50.279
And so what we get to see is not the future if they prevail, but

649
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.400
it's the version of Star Trek that they would like.

650
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.099
This is what you wanted.

651
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.900
I was going to say, Nathan.

652
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.259
I'm the wokest man alive, you know, all for diversity.

653
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.359
Boy, boy, I love that alternative.

654
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:04.019
That was our action.

655
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.160
It was great.

656
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:06.839
Yeah, that's right.

657
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.359
It kind of was like sadist, wasn't it?

658
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:10.380
Yeah, yeah.

659
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.460
Where, where, they're just basically killing aliens and being sort

660
00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:15.900
of like super evil and stuff.

661
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:18.779
God of gold to cut and that on the, on the mantlepiece.

662
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Martoch.

663
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.920
I'm going to double a few more episodes there, if I'm honest.

664
00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:24.240
It was pretty great.

665
00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:27.299
I want that to be our prime timeline, you know.

666
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.819
No, but that's, I mean, that's the idea.

667
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:34.380
I think that that's those values embodied in Star Trek rather than

668
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:37.500
the woke values that Star Trek in fact embodies.

669
00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:40.440
I love this too.

670
00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:43.920
Gosh, let's give all of Brady a fantastic acting moment as well.

671
00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:45.660
She's so good.

672
00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:47.700
So brilliant.

673
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.759
I liked the bit when it was Renee and he said, look up.

674
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.339
Yeah, just before she turned.

675
00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:57.900
I was I was so on board that that actually was, right?

676
00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:00.119
Oh, she's dying.

677
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:03.359
She's not going to get to see space first, just to come up at the

678
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:03.660
very least.

679
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.099
Yeah, oh, that's nice too.

680
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.900
And, of course, it's one of the things that convinces him to

681
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:18.000
pursue the relationship with Laris later.

682
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:20.220
We're 19 minutes into this 48 minute episode.

683
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:21.480
That's the plot over and done with.

684
00:31:21.539 --> 00:31:24.420
Well, yes, kind of.

685
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.779
So there's still some tidying up to do.

686
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.119
So here's an Adam song.

687
00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:30.960
Yeah, yeah.

688
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.079
No, this is but this is Adam's song, you know, back in his place.

689
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:38.039
His daughter, his genetically engineered daughter has escaped him

690
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.539
after being basically kept prisoner, and she has discovered that

691
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:48.539
in fact, she's one of a long series of aborted experiments.

692
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.420
So experiments who grow up and then he has to kill them because

693
00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.380
they fail.

694
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.779
And she escapes.

695
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:57.539
Did I see a folder that said Project Khan?

696
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:58.799
Yes.

697
00:31:58.859 --> 00:31:59.279
Yeah.

698
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:04.319
So he is what leads to...

699
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:05.460
Who's this song?

700
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.339
Who's the song in Enterprise, Alton song or something?

701
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.839
There's a few different songs.

702
00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:12.960
There's a different song in series one of Picard as well.

703
00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:13.920
It's really nice.

704
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.779
Within this sort of...

705
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:20.640
Arax song. fresh sort of trek that they're trying to do, that

706
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.099
we're also, we're explaining where calm came from.

707
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.799
We're killing off the queue, technically.

708
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:30.359
We're explaining why Gary 7 can pop through his mirrors in TOS.

709
00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:33.299
You know, we're we're having some fun with law as well.

710
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.460
I love this too.

711
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.500
Like there she is just completely wiping out all of his beloved

712
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:41.099
files.

713
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.400
Well, he had to have his downfall, didn't he?

714
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.480
Yeah, but at her hands, it had to be at her hands, I think.

715
00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:52.079
So, like I'm not quite sure what happened here.

716
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:58.380
Like, it makes sense that his daughter looks like her looks like

717
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:03.299
Soji, because, of course, Soji's date is daughter, right?

718
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.119
So all of that makes sense.

719
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:10.680
But, and we do we see, do we see Soji in episode one?

720
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:11.339
I think we do.

721
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.519
I think episode one, there's Soji and Agnes, and they're meeting

722
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:20.279
the Deltons, like who are the incredibly hot people that Persis

723
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.240
Kambata plays in Star Trek, the motion picture, you know, the bald

724
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:24.660
woman.

725
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:25.980
The whole bald woman.

726
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.700
And so there's hot bald people, you know, and Agnes is being sort

727
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:32.579
of tragic and trashy and drunk and wondering about whether she's

728
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:35.220
ever going to, you know, meet anyone or whatever.

729
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:37.319
And Soji is there too.

730
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.200
So I think we see her very briefly in episode one.

731
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:42.960
But thereafter. nice.

732
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:44.759
It was a bit like Elmo, isn't it?

733
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:48.720
It is a character that, unfortunately, sort of had a fair role in

734
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.140
series one and then it's sort of incised from series two.

735
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.740
That's right.

736
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.039
Although the actor still gets a reasonable amount to do here in

737
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:56.819
these episodes.

738
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:57.900
And she's great as well.

739
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.519
Oh, hang on.

740
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:02.460
All conversation must go. because we're about to see the return.

741
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:03.480
Can I talk to you about this?

742
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:07.740
Because apparently all of the Kurtzman Treks were vying to get

743
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:08.699
Will Wheaton, right?

744
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.099
They all wanted to do Wesley Crusher, okay?

745
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:15.300
So I figured that this was going to be a big scene, you know, a

746
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.579
big moment because this Picard won out.

747
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.000
No, this is it's basically the spiritual successor to TNG.

748
00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:22.860
So we're the one that are going to do Wesley Question.

749
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:23.579
Naturally.

750
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.639
Wheaton just walks on as if he's just walked wandered on the set

751
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.079
and said, well, can I do a scene, please?

752
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.860
He's not even bothering to ask. his own clothes.

753
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.119
Probably.

754
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.239
He hasn't even had a fucking shave.

755
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.039
No, that's right.

756
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.480
Well, that's what he looks like nowadays.

757
00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:41.699
He has had his teeth dumb, though.

758
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:46.019
No, I never thought he was the best actor in the world in TNG, but

759
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:47.579
this was phoning it in and then some.

760
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:53.159
Well, but I think that he's a fairly genial person, like we see

761
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.940
him, we don't get to see this, but he does the Ready Room or

762
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.199
whatever it is, is at the Ready Room.

763
00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:01.980
It's like the show where afterwards on the after show. for

764
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:02.820
Kurtzman Shrek, yes.

765
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:03.420
Yeah, yeah.

766
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.400
And like he's likeable.

767
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.139
I think there's something charming about him.

768
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.059
I just, I just couldn't believe how quiet a scene was.

769
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:12.360
Yeah.

770
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.920
And they just sort of go off together.

771
00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:14.940
Yeah.

772
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.739
I think that's I don't know.

773
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.380
I was just expecting, and Kurtzman track is not afraid to shy away

774
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:20.340
from the big emotion.

775
00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:21.780
Yeah.

776
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.199
And yeah, this was just like, well, Wesley wanders in, takes her

777
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.039
off, and they walk off.

778
00:35:26.099 --> 00:35:32.039
Yeah, cleans up this plant thread, but it's nice to see him all

779
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:32.340
the same.

780
00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:37.320
But it's the choice that's being presented to her is pretty

781
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.239
central to what Star Trek's about.

782
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.199
Do you know what I mean?

783
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:43.079
She gets to make the choice of a perfectly normal life.

784
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:48.239
It's like Achilles, you know, a long, normal life or a short life

785
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.260
with glory.

786
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:54.539
And the choice that she gets to make is either live a perfectly

787
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.820
normal life, which she's never had because she's just lived with

788
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.679
her father in that weird house.

789
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:06.179
Um, and... the choice to protect people and help people and, um

790
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:09.539
you know, boldly go, which is potentially dangerous.

791
00:36:09.539 --> 00:36:12.420
And so that's obviously the choice that has to be made.

792
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:17.820
And I think too, we're interrogating why Picard makes that choice

793
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:21.179
as well this season is largely about that.

794
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.260
And I think the answer this season gives us is not very good

795
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.980
unfortunately, but yes, there is.

796
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.340
Just please, that Wesley Crushing's final moment in the track

797
00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:36.599
franchise was not an excise scene from, what was it, 1st context?

798
00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:37.320
Journeys end.

799
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.820
Oh, first.

800
00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:40.079
I think, does it?

801
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.900
Interrection. up in he turns up in Nemesis.

802
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.059
There's a shot of him in nemesis at the wedding, I think.

803
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.360
Yeah, that would have been a very, I mean, this was, you know, a

804
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.059
little quiet, as I said, but it's not as quiet as that.

805
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.320
One shot at a party.

806
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:53.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.800
And you know what?

808
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:59.940
I can imagine that that just had fanboys squeeing, you know, that

809
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:00.599
was...

810
00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:01.139
Oh yeah.

811
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.960
I was pretty excited It's like a holy crap. didn't know this was

812
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.320
gonna happen.

813
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:07.679
And yeah, Jesus Christ, Nathan, Journey's end is such a tedious

814
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:08.039
episode.

815
00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:09.960
I'm pleased that wasn't his last hour as well.

816
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:11.159
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:14.400
Well, I'm quite surprised then that he didn't he didn't pop in for

818
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.840
series three.

819
00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:16.500
Yes.

820
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:17.400
Yeah, yeah.

821
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:21.599
I think they got him out of the way. and in a single scene

822
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:21.960
though.

823
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:23.340
Yeah, that's right.

824
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.780
That's it he's dealt with.

825
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.219
Oh, here we go.

826
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.139
The hottest couple win Kurtzman Trick.

827
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:29.940
Seven and Raffi.

828
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:30.960
Adorable.

829
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.880
I actually really, really like this scene.

830
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.360
In fact, in fact, I was a little bit disappointed when coming back

831
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:45.360
from series 3, they didn't seem to be together, but I look at

832
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.780
that.

833
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.380
Here we go.

834
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.519
Oh, look at, look at Sam. not in that sort of thing, but that is

835
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.059
hot, you know.

836
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:51.780
Goodness.

837
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:53.880
But look at her smiling.

838
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:55.019
Look at her feeling it.

839
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:55.920
She's so good.

840
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:57.840
And it's still that character.

841
00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:00.000
It's still our 7 from Voyager.

842
00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:02.940
It's absolutely her years later.

843
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:03.840
It's so good.

844
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:07.619
It is, but it's a much more relaxed performance.

845
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:08.280
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.219
But that's, you know, like she's learned to use contractions.

847
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.260
You know, it's been 20 years or whatever.

848
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.159
She's, she's um, changed, but it's definitely the same character.

849
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:21.480
She can do the comedy look now, you know, which she just did to

850
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.260
Raffi just then.

851
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.360
I think she's terrific in this.

852
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:25.440
I do too.

853
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.239
And I really, in fact, you know what?

854
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:31.139
In the 1st couple of episodes of series three, I thought her

855
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:35.039
Picard and Riker in those 1st 2 episodes were brilliant together.

856
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:37.800
I'm going, oh, I'm seeing potential again.

857
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:44.340
So this, right, this does exactly what I think 90s trek does badly

858
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:46.440
all the time and this does it as well.

859
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:47.340
It shits me.

860
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:53.760
So, little baby Picard. we see, finds his mother hanging in the

861
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.679
conservatory because she has, um, some mental health issues and

862
00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.699
ends up...

863
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:00.239
When do we learn?

864
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.059
by suicide during the run of the thing.

865
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:10.920
And he, the way he gets into there is, he finds that skeleton key

866
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.659
in behind that brick.

867
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:18.059
And that, you know, that kind of shatters his life when he sees

868
00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:21.000
his mother who he loves and tries to protect and stuff and she's

869
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.980
hanging and he does it because he finds that key.

870
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.159
And so there we have Picard putting the key back where it was

871
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:31.079
because he's accepting that that's, you know, the future and

872
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.059
that's, do you know what I mean?

873
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.860
Because this is the house in 2024, He'll see the thing again in

874
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.380
the 24th century and blah, blah, blah, right?

875
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:46.260
And so then we have John DeLancey explaining that to us.

876
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.840
In case you haven't been paying attention. happened 30 seconds

877
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:52.260
ago.

878
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:58.559
In case you are not open to subtext in television, here he is

879
00:39:58.559 --> 00:39:59.340
explaining.

880
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.300
A little bit cleaner, though.

881
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.880
Do you remember Times Arrow when Data's head's found in that

882
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:03.360
cave?

883
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.440
And at the end, Patrick Stewart is lumbered with a bit where he

884
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.079
goes, right, can you pay off Mrs. Carmichael's bill?

885
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.659
Can you move that head about 40 centimetres to the left?

886
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:13.920
And can you da da da?

887
00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:15.000
Right, all the plots tied up?

888
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:15.420
Let's go.

889
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:16.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

890
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:17.820
That is a big crap.

891
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.619
Now I think this is really great.

892
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:26.460
And I think what's great about it is that these are 2 old men.

893
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:31.199
One of them is facing his mortality in the show, and that's Q, who

894
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.960
is going to die, and we just told that and it doesn't matter.

895
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:34.800
Do you know what I mean?

896
00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:35.699
Like whatever, who cares?

897
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:39.780
But, you know, Patrick Stewart is old.

898
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.000
John DeLancey is old.

899
00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:44.219
This is not about the characters, Nathan.

900
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.659
No, these 2 actors.

901
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.699
And the 2 of them have been together.

902
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.599
They've known each other for so long, you know, from the very 30

903
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.019
years.

904
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:52.739
Yeah.

905
00:40:52.800 --> 00:41:00.119
And, and, and I just think, you know, this episode ends with the

906
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.119
Borg becoming part of the Federation and that's always what should

907
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:03.599
happen.

908
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:06.000
Our enemies should become our friends.

909
00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:10.079
Our enemies should be people that we end up making connections

910
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.019
with and finding common ground with.

911
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.639
And this, they're doing it with Q. You know, Q was a trickster and

912
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.179
a goblin who did terrible things who caused, you know, people to

913
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:24.599
die in Qhu, people, members of the, of the crew.

914
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:29.519
You know, who caused proper harm, who, but who had this thing for

915
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:30.360
Picard.

916
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:34.260
And, and what I, what I like is that when they explain it, there's

917
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:39.179
no sort of space reasons, it's not, you know, even gods have their

918
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:39.900
favourites.

919
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.460
That's a great line.

920
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.260
It's a better explanation.

921
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:49.320
And look, look how gentle and beautiful John Delancey's face has

922
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.539
got over the years.

923
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:57.059
You know, there's something really terribly sweet about how both

924
00:41:57.059 --> 00:41:58.320
of them are playing this.

925
00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:00.539
And I don't know, oh, God.

926
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.340
I'm not going to compare anything, everything.

927
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.840
I'm favourably to the next series.

928
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:05.639
There was a poignancy to this, though.

929
00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:08.159
I did not find in Series 3.

930
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.360
I think it's the fact that they both look so old, you know?

931
00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:17.340
But yeah, I was not watching the characters in this scene.

932
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:20.639
I was watching the actors and their relationship that's developed

933
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:25.139
over 30 years and as payoff for the hard work that they've done.

934
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.559
I've seen to remember Patrick Stewart saying that John DeLarsi got

935
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.940
a round of applause after this scene.

936
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.280
Look at you touching his face.

937
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.619
Look at the way he touches his face.

938
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.159
I've got one last surprise. store.

939
00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:39.960
If you didn't think you were getting back to the future.

940
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:40.860
Well, off we go.

941
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:41.940
Yeah, yeah.

942
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.579
Well, because he started all this nonsense.

943
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:45.900
I mean, this is a cute episode.

944
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.880
Why was he so angry?

945
00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:50.460
Was he angry because he's dying in that 2nd action?

946
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.500
He slapped the car around the face, didn't he?

947
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.599
Yeah, but also it turns out, you know, like he wanted him to, you

948
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.400
know, he, this is him taking him back to his past to learn that

949
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.480
his past was okay in a way and to get him to make a better

950
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:07.619
decision about the future.

951
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:11.699
So he's pulling the same trick that he pulled in tapestry, isn't

952
00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:11.880
he?

953
00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:16.079
You know, like tapestry was all about him getting to accept what

954
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.980
he had been like as a young man and that actually perhaps he

955
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.579
hadn't been, you know, quite so worthless as he thought he was.

956
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.739
And so he gives him that back.

957
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:32.699
And um, and he doesn't even... of how far we've come then, that

958
00:43:32.699 --> 00:43:35.579
tapestry was a single episode and now we'll play out over an

959
00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:36.239
entire season.

960
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:39.900
Yeah, I mean, tapestry is a beautiful, incredible high concept

961
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:40.440
episode.

962
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:43.980
It's really terrific, one of the highlights of the show, I think.

963
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.980
I do love real staying here and choosing.

964
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:47.460
Do you know what?

965
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:48.840
I want a normal life.

966
00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:50.219
I want to be with these people.

967
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.159
I've absolutely fallen ahead over here. really nice.

968
00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:56.880
Again, it's so quiet all modern day television.

969
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:58.679
And I quite like that.

970
00:43:58.739 --> 00:44:02.159
I'm like, okay, you know, it hasn't got to be bangs and whistles

971
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.980
and people sacrificing themselves and, you know, tears everywhere

972
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:05.820
and.

973
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:10.440
Well, I mean, part of the thing was that you felt when you came

974
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.619
back in episode one to find that he was the captain of the

975
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:19.019
Stargazer and that he was wearing a Starfleet uniform and stuff.

976
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.900
You kind of felt that you'd lost something, that that wasn't

977
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:26.579
really quite Rios. shitty ship and he was chomping on his cigar

978
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.400
and chatting to 5 versions of himself with different accents.

979
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.539
It was amazing.

980
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.039
Well, that was hard. super hard.

981
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.079
That scene where Raffi goes into the holodeck with all of the 5

982
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:37.920
Rioses.

983
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.940
The thing I said to you in a message and I was watching it, the

984
00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:45.300
thing that irritated me about this was, I just wish he had just

985
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:46.860
had a normal life.

986
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:50.639
Instead, we go to the future and, you know, they've done these

987
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.400
incredible things that have changed the shape of humanity forever

988
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.539
and I'm like, okay.

989
00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.179
Of course, but because I think that that's where they turn the

990
00:45:00.179 --> 00:45:07.440
space solution where Renee finds a new compound on Europa to an

991
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.360
actual human solution to the problem.

992
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:16.980
And the solutions to the problem are these two.

993
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:24.840
Okay, so Teresa and Chris, raising Ricardo and then Ricardo

994
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:30.539
growing up up and using the compound that Renee discovers to solve

995
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:31.980
the climate crisis.

996
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:41.280
And so the world is fixed by people doing things like what Rios

997
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:46.860
and Teresa end up doing, that they end up spending their lives

998
00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:51.960
working for the betterment of other people and raising a son who

999
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.460
will do the same thing.

1000
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.280
And so I like that a lot.

1001
00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:57.719
Oh, this hard.

1002
00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:00.659
Look at the look on John Delancey's face.

1003
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:05.519
I just, it just irritates me, you can't his reaction.

1004
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:07.559
You cannot just be an ordinary person.

1005
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:16.619
No, no, but that's, but, but that's, you know, it's aspirational.

1006
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:17.880
Do you know what I mean?

1007
00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:19.800
They've got to be extraordinary.

1008
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:25.260
Being extraordinary. giving your life, spending your life in the

1009
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:29.460
service of other people. like that's exactly the choice that that

1010
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:30.900
Core just got given.

1011
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.699
It's the choice that Picard made when he took Starfleet as a

1012
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:36.000
career.

1013
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:39.840
That's what the show is about, is deciding to do that.

1014
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.159
I think that's great.

1015
00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:44.219
Oh, I hope that... that picture.

1016
00:46:45.300 --> 00:46:49.800
So here we are now, back in the future, and we're having to tie up

1017
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.960
everything that we left in episode one.

1018
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:55.139
Yeah, which we can hardly remember because it was sort of 10 weeks

1019
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:55.500
ago.

1020
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:02.880
So we're on the Stargazer, which again is a bit less memorable.

1021
00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:06.960
It's actually funny watching this after seeing Picard series 3 and

1022
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:11.460
looking at how well lit everything is and how colourful everyone's

1023
00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:15.900
uniforms are after the really kind of...

1024
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:19.380
It really felt like we were back in TNG territory in Picard series

1025
00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:20.159
free, didn't it?

1026
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:23.639
Yeah, no, except the way the way that everything was dramatically

1027
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.539
underlit, you know, which is completely the opposite of the end.

1028
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.019
The lights came on the bridge of the Enterprise B. I was like, oh

1029
00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:31.559
here we go.

1030
00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:34.320
It was flat studio lighting again.

1031
00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:35.280
We're back.

1032
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.719
It is actually better than that.

1033
00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:40.260
It did seem like that, but it was better lighting than his Agnes

1034
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:40.679
of course.

1035
00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:42.300
Of course, it was...

1036
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:43.860
Yep, the carpet.

1037
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.400
That line about the car. such a strange shot of her hair when the

1038
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:48.780
helmet comes off, isn't it?

1039
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.360
from sort of... sort of straight on like that.

1040
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:52.980
It's very undramatic.

1041
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:54.420
Yeah, yeah.

1042
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.659
Given, you know, it's sort of the linchpin of the episode.

1043
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.039
So Raffi's back, and then Agnes, who was on board the ship before

1044
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.519
is now the Borg queen, so they were both on board originally.

1045
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.760
Yeah, strange makeup as well.

1046
00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:13.679
Yeah, yeah, it is, isn't it?

1047
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:18.000
Like, like the earlier makeup for the Boar Queen, that was

1048
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:18.539
amazing.

1049
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:23.159
Yeah, but that, that, that Borg queen, that woman, that wonderful

1050
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.340
incredible woman, like she was superb, I think.

1051
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:31.679
I think she absolutely gives, um, what's her face, a run for her

1052
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:31.860
money?

1053
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.679
don't think we ever sort of figured this is where Agnes was

1054
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.019
heading after series one of...

1055
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.980
Yeah, yeah.

1056
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.539
And I think, you know, that the character is a little bit derailed

1057
00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:45.480
because, you know, she kills her boyfriend.

1058
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:46.019
She kills.

1059
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:48.780
That episode that we watch.

1060
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.179
Remember, she vomited 3 times in the one episode.

1061
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.139
She was forced to swallow that pill, do you remember, by the

1062
00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:56.400
section 31 woman.

1063
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:57.480
She was treated horribly.

1064
00:48:57.539 --> 00:48:59.039
And yet the actress is so likeable.

1065
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:00.840
Yeah, she really is.

1066
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:02.159
She's sort of super charming.

1067
00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:05.460
But here she was a little bit drifty and loser-ish in the opening

1068
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:06.900
scene and didn't have friends.

1069
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.940
And so there's a sort of building towards this where it's the

1070
00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:15.960
event casual, casualty rate's going to kill everyone.

1071
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:18.119
I don't know what the hell this is.

1072
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.860
This is...

1073
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:21.900
There's a nice swipply thing in space.

1074
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.039
Yeah, that's right.

1075
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:26.639
Swirly thing alert. territory now.

1076
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.440
Just with a ton of ships going against it, you know?

1077
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.380
So the thing that I don't understand, right, is that in Picard

1078
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:43.019
series 3, Riker says in an episode that the Borg haven't contacted

1079
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:47.760
us for over 10 years, but there isn't 10 years between this and

1080
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.320
Picard series 3.

1081
00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:56.639
So, and they must have known, like they wrote that line knowing

1082
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.860
that the Borg had been in the series too.

1083
00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:00.780
So I don't know what's going on there.

1084
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.119
I meant to look it up on memory alpha.

1085
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:04.619
Are they part of the Federation series?

1086
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.119
Well, see, I don't understand that.

1087
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:08.400
And I thought that that was a really good thing because like I

1088
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.699
said, you know, we've had one Borg become part of the Federation.

1089
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.000
We've had the Klingons become our allies.

1090
00:50:15.059 --> 00:50:20.880
Having the Borg work with us as well, is, you know, the sort of

1091
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:21.599
humane thing.

1092
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.360
You know, when we were talking about Scorpion, and I was talking

1093
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.139
about the slow sort of degeneration of the Borg as a threat.

1094
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.960
Well, this is the ultimate now. joining the Federation.

1095
00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:31.800
We're here to help.

1096
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:32.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1097
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.440
They're now the good guys.

1098
00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.119
Yeah, but that's good.

1099
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:38.880
But then they're back to being evil like immediately afterwards

1100
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.880
next season because of course they have to be the villains in

1101
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:42.900
Picard series 3.

1102
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.260
Because effectively we're just doing the best of both worlds

1103
00:50:46.260 --> 00:50:47.039
again.

1104
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:48.119
Yeah.

1105
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.380
Well, not quite.

1106
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.980
I mean, it isn't quite the best of both worlds, but like the Borg

1107
00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:57.119
is the big villain, that Star Trek, the Next Generation creates.

1108
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.119
Not entirely sure what's going on here.

1109
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:03.000
We've got a load of sort of ships in formation, a massive shield

1110
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:04.380
and the wibbly thing in space.

1111
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.840
I'm not sure what's going on, but it looks epic.

1112
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1113
00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:09.840
I think that's the, I think that's the point.

1114
00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:12.599
And then here...

1115
00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:13.739
Did you hear what she just said?

1116
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.019
The shield needs to be recalibrated.

1117
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.300
We're definitely back in TNG territory.

1118
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:18.840
Yeah.

1119
00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:21.000
Oh, sweetie.

1120
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:22.019
Who's this man then?

1121
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.320
So he's a stranger.

1122
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:29.760
He's adorable and he's a Romulan truth ninja.

1123
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:31.800
So that's all you need to know.

1124
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:34.619
I think he's so cute He's so sweet.

1125
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.719
I just, I don't think he's very memorable though.

1126
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:41.760
Well, I, see, I liked, I've, he, I think it's a high point for me

1127
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.639
in Star Trek, Picard series one.

1128
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:47.880
And the reason is that you've got this character, this sort of

1129
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.559
elfin Romulan Truth Ninja, who they just play for comedy.

1130
00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:53.699
Do you know what I mean?

1131
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:55.079
They play it for comedy.

1132
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:59.099
And I just think, but sort of sincerity ninja.

1133
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.800
He, like, it's just played for laughs and he does it so well.

1134
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:07.260
Like he's always baffled and everyone's kind of making fun of

1135
00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:07.559
him.

1136
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:11.760
And the bit where Raffi hugs him after Picard dies in that final

1137
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.159
episode is just so heartbreaking.

1138
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.079
He's so, because he's just a kid.

1139
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:17.940
He's this sort of vulnerable kid.

1140
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.719
It's very sweet.

1141
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:20.639
I'm glad they didn't kill him off.

1142
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:22.139
The hell is going on here?

1143
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.340
I don't know.

1144
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:24.420
Where are we?

1145
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:25.500
There's Andorians there.

1146
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:26.820
There's an Andorian watching the thing.

1147
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.880
Do they not trust us to sort of keep watching unless there is some

1148
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.400
sort of escalated for it?

1149
00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:33.599
Yeah, I don't know.

1150
00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:35.460
Look, you know, it looks pretty great.

1151
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.820
I'm happy that they're doing it, but I'm not quite sure what's

1152
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:39.179
going on.

1153
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.820
Maybe I was more sure when I 1st watched it and the rest of the

1154
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:46.320
series was a more recent memory.

1155
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:48.599
Oh, there you go.

1156
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:49.199
We've done it.

1157
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:51.179
Yeah, we saved the day.

1158
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.539
That was the idea of mister.

1159
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.400
So what's happening now?

1160
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:02.760
I thought Wesley Crusher was going to pop back again, you know, and

1161
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:04.500
be like, right, I'm going to sub this for you.

1162
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.599
Well, we don't need the travellers.

1163
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:10.800
We've got the Borg, we've got Agnes, and we've got this bizarre

1164
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:11.460
thing.

1165
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:17.820
So, like this is the, like, is it the same year as, I think it

1166
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:19.079
might be last year.

1167
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:20.880
So it's 2022.

1168
00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:26.099
Is it the same year that Star Trek Discovery has a big, you know

1169
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:29.760
universe ending giant anomaly roaming around the quadrant

1170
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:30.960
destroying planets?

1171
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:34.739
I think that seems to be what we're doing in 2022.

1172
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.179
Very strange.

1173
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.480
You know, I just haven't had a flashback there, typical series one

1174
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.699
finale, which I actually think it was really strong.

1175
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:43.500
I like that last episode.

1176
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. big space battle with the huge flowers in

1177
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:47.760
space.

1178
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.920
With a giant devil tentacles, like it's hell opening up. weird as

1179
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:53.400
fuck.

1180
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:58.559
And you had wonderful scenes with card and data, saying goodbye.

1181
00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:00.000
It was sort of genuinely red.

1182
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:01.079
Oh, no, wait, here's Gynan.

1183
00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:02.579
I'm back in the room.

1184
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:03.840
Yeah, yeah.

1185
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:07.679
So what I think is really funny is this is a bar that he's been

1186
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:08.699
going to.

1187
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.679
Uh, you know, that...

1188
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.300
You never know, it's the picture of Rios on the wall.

1189
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.940
I've never noticed the picture of Rios and Teresa on the wall

1190
00:54:14.940 --> 00:54:16.500
which is pretty great.

1191
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.860
You've always been more clever than you clever than an observer.

1192
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:20.880
It's brilliant.

1193
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:21.840
There he is.

1194
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:25.019
Oh, just, we should have seen the closet.

1195
00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:27.119
Signing and Picard together gives me all the fans.

1196
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:29.940
And you know what?

1197
00:54:29.940 --> 00:54:32.760
The fact that this came about from him going on a chat show and

1198
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.639
saying to her, look, I'm inviting you off because series two.

1199
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:36.179
Of course.

1200
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.820
You've got the writers going, oh, Jesus Christ.

1201
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:39.719
We've got right now.

1202
00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:42.659
Surely you've got the writers going, holy shit, that's fantastic.

1203
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.099
Let's do whatever we can.

1204
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.820
And they do get someone else to play her in the past, obviously.

1205
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.000
But so adorably.

1206
00:54:51.059 --> 00:54:54.059
The medical movement that they create is called the Mariposas, the

1207
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:58.739
butterfly, and they've been using butterfly, you know, from the

1208
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:03.719
short story, the sound of thunder, where someone treads on a

1209
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.719
butterfly in the past and changes the present.

1210
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:11.940
And so, you know, the way they say, you know, don't accidentally

1211
00:55:11.940 --> 00:55:14.940
change the present while you're in the past is, you know, don't

1212
00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:16.199
tread on any butterflies.

1213
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:19.019
And so the medical movement is called the butterflies, which I

1214
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:19.980
think is kind of adorable.

1215
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.699
The line I did like was they were such good people.

1216
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:24.960
I really like that.

1217
00:55:25.019 --> 00:55:26.039
Yeah.

1218
00:55:26.099 --> 00:55:27.059
Well, that's it.

1219
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:31.079
And that's what that's what defeats the fascism, isn't it?

1220
00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:33.179
They're good people.

1221
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.820
And I'm assuming I've watched it, but I'm assuming we've seen that

1222
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.699
relationship build throughout the season between...

1223
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:39.539
It's so good.

1224
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:42.420
But you saw it in the episode that we did when we did

1225
00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:43.199
assimilation.

1226
00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:44.280
It was so funny.

1227
00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:45.059
She was so great.

1228
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:47.820
His last breath was into a cigar.

1229
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:49.500
Oh yeah, that's so cheesy.

1230
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:56.880
Okay, this is all sort of like exposition plot tying up here, isn't

1231
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:57.059
it?

1232
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.340
I've been showing up, just hearing it all.

1233
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.860
At least we get to see little Eleanor back.

1234
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.400
Look at him.

1235
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:03.059
He' so cute.

1236
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.579
Yeah, I'm not sure who that is.

1237
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:06.239
Sorry.

1238
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.639
This is nice, though. is all nice.

1239
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.500
Yeah, yeah.

1240
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.380
And we did get to see the bar again in series 3 even if it was the

1241
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:20.760
holodeck, although I think it was also in the final episode.

1242
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:22.440
Oh, it's where they go to play cards.

1243
00:56:23.099 --> 00:56:26.039
Is that the bar where you have that fabulous showdown between

1244
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.380
Riker and Picard and what's his name?

1245
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:28.679
Sean?

1246
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:29.460
And Shaw.

1247
00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:30.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1248
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.300
But it's also the bar where the final scene happens where they're

1249
00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:35.880
all playing poker together and they're playing poker properly, not

1250
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.079
in a sort of 90s TV way, but in a chilly, chilled, relaxed way.

1251
00:56:40.139 --> 00:56:42.900
I think that was the best episode of that last year, you know.

1252
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.079
That was so well written episode. it was just them hanging

1253
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:46.320
around.

1254
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:47.940
Yeah, yeah.

1255
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.940
Well that was the great thing about that whole season.

1256
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:55.559
Like, I was expecting it to keep moving, but it's just them on the

1257
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:01.380
Titan for episode after episode, you know, doing the sort of Star

1258
00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:04.619
Trek 2 thing with the evil ship.

1259
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.320
Oh, an amazing team. rat air wharf.

1260
00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:08.519
Yeah, yeah.

1261
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.159
Oh, we're not getting really free.

1262
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.139
No, we'll do it.

1263
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:14.219
Yeah, series two.

1264
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:21.900
So we're back to fix up our horrible mistake that we made in

1265
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:25.980
episode one of not pursuing a relationship with Laris, and he is

1266
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:28.739
going to pursue a relationship with Laris, which will get

1267
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.639
referenced, so all of Brady will be back for one more scene.

1268
00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:33.599
So weird.

1269
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:36.599
And then she's just forgotten. about it.

1270
00:57:36.659 --> 00:57:39.659
You know, I think the Writers of Series 3. were like, right.

1271
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:41.639
I know we did this at the end of series two.

1272
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:44.039
We kind of acknowledge they're in a relationship and the ball go

1273
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:45.719
good now, but we don't want to do that anymore.

1274
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:46.739
So let's just run.

1275
00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:47.699
Yeah, I think that's exactly it.

1276
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:49.860
And again, that tag scene.

1277
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:50.519
Do you know what I mean?

1278
00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:51.780
The tag scene happens at the end.

1279
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.280
Oh, the cue scene.

1280
00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:57.000
Yeah, and it's kind of like, yes, we killed Q and it was all very

1281
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:57.239
sad.

1282
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.480
And just Brenda series 2 completely moved.

1283
00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:01.920
Kind of.

1284
00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:05.039
I did I did actually think that at the time it was kind of like

1285
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.579
we're not being sufficiently respect for Lucieres too, but you can

1286
00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:09.480
absolutely understand.

1287
00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:12.000
Fad boys weren't in a right old tears.

1288
00:58:12.059 --> 00:58:14.280
They don't usually like these sort of inconsistencies.

1289
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.840
No, no.

1290
00:58:15.900 --> 00:58:20.039
And like, I have to say that I found myself irritated by early

1291
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:27.360
series 2, Picard, the fact that Picard and Guine and Meat for the

1292
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.920
1st time in 2024 and they don't seem to know each other, even

1293
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.639
though Times Arrow indicates that they'd actually met, you know

1294
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.400
over a 100 years earlier.

1295
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:41.579
But... a young woman in this as well.

1296
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:42.539
Yeah, yeah.

1297
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.639
Well, that's, I mean, that's, that's all right.

1298
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:48.780
But, but it was pointed out that because the Confederation

1299
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:52.320
happened, uh, that meant Times arrow never happened, so they

1300
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.340
hadn't actually met.

1301
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.179
This is a great shot pulling away. series ended here.

1302
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.059
I don't think that would have been a terrible place to end it.

1303
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:00.599
He's happy.

1304
00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:02.280
He's decided to be in love.

1305
00:59:02.340 --> 00:59:03.300
Yeah, you know.

1306
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.360
Yeah, I think that's right.

1307
00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:10.079
And then there's the galaxy and a shooting star off we go.

1308
00:59:10.139 --> 00:59:13.019
That was a very nice finale for Picard, I thought.

1309
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.519
Yeah, I think so too.

1310
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:17.340
And I think that what they do when they come back is a different

1311
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:22.500
show in all sorts of ways, but I think if you've got them, we're

1312
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:24.119
not going to have those people forever.

1313
00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:25.019
I get it.

1314
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.559
I do get it Yeah, you know, once you have the opportunity to bring

1315
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:29.639
them all back, do it.

1316
00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:32.099
It's and it's...

1317
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:34.500
No, I'm going to wait till we do three.

1318
00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:37.019
Can you see that credit there?

1319
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.000
Lullaby number 2 by J.

1320
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:39.539
Chataway.

1321
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:40.739
Was it?

1322
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:41.820
Yeah, yeah.

1323
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:43.440
Like in the closing credits.

1324
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:43.980
How about that?

1325
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:47.400
He's still doing his wallpaper music, even in curse track.

1326
00:59:47.460 --> 00:59:48.300
No, he is the one.

1327
00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:53.760
He's the one whose music is the least wallpapery in 90s trek, I

1328
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:53.940
think.

1329
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.820
Oh, God, COVID-19 logistics.

1330
00:59:57.059 --> 00:59:58.860
A whole different world.

1331
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.000
Look all these names.

1332
01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:02.340
I dread to think how much this cost to make, you know.

1333
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.159
Yeah, yeah, but you know, that's all right.

1334
01:00:05.219 --> 01:00:06.659
I'm glad they're spending money on it.

1335
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.699
They could spend money on much worse things.

1336
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:10.260
Hey, kid.

1337
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:11.460
Oh, well that was good.

1338
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:12.780
Yeah, I thought that was fun.

1339
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:14.940
It was it was good.

1340
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.219
I don't know, it wasn't great.

1341
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.599
No, I think we've sort of talked about, you know, not stopping and

1342
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.940
starting and just how quiet the whole thing was.

1343
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.179
But like I said, scene to scene, it seemed to work.

1344
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:28.679
I was watching it.

1345
01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:32.219
It's only when I thought about it afterwards, I was like, yeah, as

1346
01:00:32.219 --> 01:00:34.800
a series finale, which effectively is what this is.

1347
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.960
Yes, it's it's like a whisper.

1348
01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:38.099
Yeah.

1349
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:42.059
I just have to think that they knew what they were going to do the

1350
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:46.019
final year and so they wanted to give this version of the show an

1351
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:48.780
ending a time to breathe sort of thing.

1352
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:53.280
And so we basically lose Agnes early on, like in the previous

1353
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.159
episode, then we lose Rios, you know.

1354
01:00:56.219 --> 01:00:58.079
No, like I think that's fun.

1355
01:00:58.139 --> 01:00:59.820
I thought that that series was pretty good.

1356
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.320
You do realise something.

1357
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:04.320
Now Picard is over and it's what, a total of 30 episodes?

1358
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:04.860
Is that right?

1359
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:10.320
So it's going to be probably the shortest run of all the...

1360
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:10.800
Star Trek.

1361
01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:11.820
Yeah.

1362
01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:16.019
So, like, in terms of the percentage that we've done of the

1363
01:01:16.019 --> 01:01:16.739
overall series.

1364
01:01:16.860 --> 01:01:19.320
We've done a fair amount, so far.

1365
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.719
I think we've still done more strange new worlds than as of today

1366
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.599
in sort of a few weeks time, that'll be different, but we have

1367
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.719
done 30% of all strange new worlds episodes.

1368
01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:33.840
Don't you think the 2nd that comes back on?

1369
01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:37.559
I'm not going to choose that series to push the button.

1370
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:39.239
Oh, it's so exciting.

1371
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:40.860
I'm really, really excited.

1372
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:45.780
And particularly excited about the upcoming crossover as well

1373
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:48.480
which is melting a lot of fanboy brains too.

1374
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:50.760
Gosh, so much.

1375
01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:53.519
I want to see if they play the characters in that same sort of

1376
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:54.960
heightened cartoony way.

1377
01:01:55.019 --> 01:01:58.619
Or if they bring it right down, you know, to Strange New Worlds

1378
01:01:58.619 --> 01:02:01.800
level, sort of naturally. doubt it. doubt it.

1379
01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:04.860
Look at what Strachue Worlds is capable of last year.

1380
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.940
We, you know, there's 3 solid fantastic comedy episodes that work

1381
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:12.360
really well, even though Star Trek comedy tends to be kind of

1382
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:16.380
terrible with the exception of Deep Space 9.

1383
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.420
So I, you know, I think it's going to be great.

1384
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.739
I think it's going to be superb.

1385
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:22.860
Before we out this episode and choose the next.

1386
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.599
Because this is the finale of season two, how do you think it

1387
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:28.559
fares as a whole?

1388
01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:31.739
Is this one of Star Trek's better seasons?

1389
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:39.599
No, like, I guess Star Trek comes back with Discovery.

1390
01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:43.860
Is Picard the 1st spinoff that weekend?

1391
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.159
It's like the Deep Space 9 of...

1392
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.099
Yeah, it's the only live action spinoff and it does do something

1393
01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:51.059
quite different.

1394
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:52.199
It's not spaceship.

1395
01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:54.179
It's not a spaceship-based show.

1396
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:56.460
It's said in the world of the Federation.

1397
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.440
It does basically one year of that and then one year of Star Trek

1398
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:02.280
a voyage home.

1399
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.179
I think you're right.

1400
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:06.599
What you said before is we'll look back on this and this will be a

1401
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.400
strange piece of television.

1402
01:03:08.460 --> 01:03:14.039
But like, I think there's too much to do, so...

1403
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.679
Like, I don't think you can dismiss Star Trek Picard.

1404
01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:18.599
I think the 1st series is bold.

1405
01:03:18.659 --> 01:03:22.920
The 2nd series, from what I've seen of it is very fun and the 3rd

1406
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.739
series is essentially what everyone wanted all along.

1407
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:26.699
Yeah, yeah.

1408
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.780
Yeah, I think it's darker and stranger than what everyone wanted

1409
01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:34.920
all along, but I do think it is pretty great that 3rd series.

1410
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:40.019
What's fascinating. is the only reason this exists is because

1411
01:03:40.019 --> 01:03:41.940
Patrick Stewart was interested in doing it.

1412
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:46.559
And I think it's the only occasion of an actor basically having

1413
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:50.940
the chops to be able to have a whole series created just because

1414
01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:51.900
he said, you know what?

1415
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:52.980
I quite fancy doing this again.

1416
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:58.079
But the story that he tells is that he wasn't immediately on board

1417
01:03:58.079 --> 01:03:59.280
and had to be convinced.

1418
01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:00.239
Okay.

1419
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.500
And when they said what they wanted to do.

1420
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.480
He wanted to do something a bit more political.

1421
01:04:06.539 --> 01:04:09.659
So there's that thing in series one where Earth has become

1422
01:04:09.659 --> 01:04:14.039
isolationist and Picard is in conflict with Starfleet because he

1423
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:19.739
thinks we should be helping Romulan refugees, but after space 9

1424
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:19.739
11.

1425
01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:23.159
They've decided that they don't want to do that anymore.

1426
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:25.920
So that's political and that's interesting.

1427
01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:27.539
And I think that that's what brings him back.

1428
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.659
And then, of course, series 2 is more political.

1429
01:04:30.659 --> 01:04:31.500
Had he said no?

1430
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:33.239
Yeah, that wouldn't have happened.

1431
01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:34.380
Yeah, yeah.

1432
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:36.719
And then we wouldn't have had Rios and we wouldn't have had Agnes

1433
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.019
and we wouldn't have had Raffi and 7 of 9 wouldn't have had this

1434
01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:41.460
glorious reinvention.

1435
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.980
We wouldn't have had Captain Shaw.

1436
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:45.300
Oh, he's amazing.

1437
01:04:45.420 --> 01:04:51.900
I do think this is a very flawed series as a whole. and not

1438
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:53.820
entirely what I want from Star Trek.

1439
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.940
But for all those innovations, I'm really pleased it exists.

1440
01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.920
Yeah, I think it's fun to watch.

1441
01:04:58.980 --> 01:04:59.760
It's Star Trek.

1442
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:00.480
It's fun to watch.

1443
01:05:00.539 --> 01:05:01.619
There's spaceships and shit.

1444
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:02.519
That what I'm here for.

1445
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:06.360
And it has something positive to say as well, which I think is

1446
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:11.460
pretty good and not what Star Trek always does. 7 of 9 in the

1447
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:12.119
captain's chair.

1448
01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:13.500
What more do you need?

1449
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:22.739
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is, as always, time

1450
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:24.960
for us to work out what we're going to watch next.

1451
01:05:25.019 --> 01:05:27.960
It's Joe's turn on the randomiser.

1452
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:30.840
So Joe, tell us what we're going to be watching.

1453
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:36.900
Been a long road, getting from there to here.

1454
01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:38.940
I can't wait.

1455
01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:42.239
We're going to recovering Star Trek Enterprise.

1456
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:48.480
And it's purely for the reason that I have gleamed an enormous

1457
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.480
amount of trivia about Enterprise this week.

1458
01:05:51.539 --> 01:05:58.079
Ooh, there is a fantastic video on YouTube and I suggest everyone

1459
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:02.940
goes out there and watches it, where in 2014, They brought

1460
01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:08.340
together the entire enterprise cast and Branan Bragger, and it was

1461
01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:12.659
their chance to ask him what the fuck he was thinking.

1462
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:13.860
What happened?

1463
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.599
Why were we cancelled?

1464
01:06:15.659 --> 01:06:20.760
And it's over an hour long and they address everything that we've

1465
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.940
talked about before and Brana gives context.

1466
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:28.679
He explains where the studio got involved, like Scott Bakula, who

1467
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:33.420
is quite, he's surprisingly positive about like the latter half of

1468
01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:35.579
the run, and he goes, and I do think a lot of people consider the

1469
01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:37.500
latter half hour run to be quite good.

1470
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:41.519
He goes, but our 1st year, there was just so many problems. he

1471
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.360
goes, and Brannan, what the hell happened with that finale?

1472
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:47.039
And they talk about that quite a bit.

1473
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:50.219
It's the best interview I've seen.

1474
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:53.940
Like, I've watched a lot of convention panels and things like that

1475
01:06:53.940 --> 01:06:57.000
but that's just a lot of actors vamping up and playing in the

1476
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:57.719
audience and all of this.

1477
01:06:57.780 --> 01:07:01.679
This is serious critique about the show from the people making the

1478
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:01.920
show.

1479
01:07:01.980 --> 01:07:03.239
Wow.

1480
01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:05.820
So let's see what we're going to watch.

1481
01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:07.440
Okay, awesome.

1482
01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:08.639
All right.

1483
01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:10.139
Off you go.

1484
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:17.219
Okay, so your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is Daedalus

1485
01:07:17.219 --> 01:07:19.320
season four, episode 10.

1486
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.500
I think that might be okay.

1487
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.480
It's like a series 41.

1488
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:29.460
So it is part of that ongoing serialised plot that they have in

1489
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:34.019
series 4, but it is a one-off episode about transporter technology

1490
01:07:34.019 --> 01:07:37.860
but it's also about the family and it's about, you know, it's got

1491
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:41.699
various soap plots going on, including with Tapol and stuff.

1492
01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:43.559
Look at my face.

1493
01:07:43.619 --> 01:07:45.119
I'm convinced.

1494
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:48.000
Come on, I'm going to roll it again.

1495
01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:51.119
Although I would really, I mean, I mean, now I've said that about

1496
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.679
2 halves of the show.

1497
01:07:52.739 --> 01:07:54.599
I'm not sure which half I want to talk about more.

1498
01:07:54.659 --> 01:07:56.639
The travelling half or the good half.

1499
01:07:56.699 --> 01:08:00.000
I didn't make it very far into series four, but one of the things

1500
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.699
that I did like about it was the serialised approach to

1501
01:08:02.699 --> 01:08:03.360
storytelling.

1502
01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:06.179
It wasn't just that there were these 3 part stories or four-part

1503
01:08:06.179 --> 01:08:06.539
stories.

1504
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.559
It was actually an ongoing plot that had one big thing happening

1505
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:12.719
in it that would change every few episodes.

1506
01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:13.679
I liked that.

1507
01:08:13.739 --> 01:08:19.140
And Bragger does say that Manikoto comes in in series 4 and

1508
01:08:19.140 --> 01:08:20.520
effectively gives us a show.

1509
01:08:20.579 --> 01:08:21.539
It should have been all along.

1510
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.380
Yeah.

1511
01:08:22.380 --> 01:08:23.760
So, yeah.

1512
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:28.079
But you'll be surprised how often their hands were tied when we

1513
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:28.859
talk about it.

1514
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.439
Okay, I'm going to press it again.

1515
01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:31.800
All right?

1516
01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:38.819
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is series 3, episode 10

1517
01:08:38.819 --> 01:08:40.500
similitude.

1518
01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:42.840
Now, I do know what that episode is.

1519
01:08:43.140 --> 01:08:45.239
So what's that?

1520
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:47.220
They're in the Delphic expanse.

1521
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:49.319
It is a standalone episode.

1522
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:53.760
It's the one where there's a 2nd trip. that they have to grow for

1523
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.180
some reason.

1524
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:59.340
And it's a bit like Chubix and he ends up falling in love with

1525
01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:03.239
Tapal and it's it's all a bit rushy and now I'm going to press it

1526
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:03.479
again.

1527
01:09:03.539 --> 01:09:04.439
Yeah, okay.

1528
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.479
It's quite a popular episode, I think, that one.

1529
01:09:06.539 --> 01:09:07.260
Okay.

1530
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:12.000
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season four, episode

1531
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.800
two, Stormfront part two.

1532
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:16.920
Yeah, we'd have to watch Stormfront part one.

1533
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:18.779
Okay, fair enough.

1534
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.899
Season four, episode eight.

1535
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:23.340
Awakening.

1536
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.199
Oh, do you know that is?

1537
01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:26.399
No, not a clue.

1538
01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:29.520
I'm gonna press it one more time.

1539
01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:33.420
Yeah, I happen to know that this is a Vulcan one.

1540
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:37.020
I happen to know that just for no particular reason that this is a

1541
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:37.979
Vulcan one.

1542
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:41.520
One of my least, you know, my most distasteful things about

1543
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.680
enterprises, their treatment of the Vulcans.

1544
01:09:43.739 --> 01:09:48.239
How racist they are towards Vulcans and how racist their Vulcans

1545
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:48.479
are.

1546
01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:49.619
Oh, my God, what's this?

1547
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:50.880
No, this is the one we've got to do.

1548
01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:52.140
It's seasonal one.

1549
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.420
Episode 5 unexpected.

1550
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.720
It's the episode where Trip falls pregnant.

1551
01:09:57.779 --> 01:09:59.100
Oh, no.

1552
01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:01.079
Oh, come on.

1553
01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:02.220
This is enterprising.

1554
01:10:02.220 --> 01:10:02.760
We have to do it.

1555
01:10:02.819 --> 01:10:03.659
Failure mode.

1556
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:05.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1557
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.140
This will make people realise that a night in Sick Bay is better

1558
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:13.680
not only than cogenitor, but than unexpected.

1559
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:16.380
Is it your favourite episode we've done so far?

1560
01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:17.100
En surprise.

1561
01:10:17.220 --> 01:10:18.359
Yeah, it's up there.

1562
01:10:18.420 --> 01:10:21.840
I think it's pretty crazy. because you're insane.

1563
01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:23.340
Oh, wait.

1564
01:10:23.340 --> 01:10:25.859
They talk about...

1565
01:10:25.859 --> 01:10:27.479
Oh, good, okay. interview.

1566
01:10:27.539 --> 01:10:29.939
And his feelings will you say how great it is?

1567
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.199
He goes, he goes, it was absurd, he goes, but I did like the fact

1568
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:37.140
that, you know, the captain and the doctor got to hang out

1569
01:10:37.140 --> 01:10:39.779
together and have some fun together, you know.

1570
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.380
And then back in it goes, I think the fans hated that episode. and

1571
01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:45.720
yeah, Billings he goes, what do the fans know?

1572
01:10:45.779 --> 01:10:48.000
Yes, there you go.

1573
01:10:48.060 --> 01:10:49.560
He's a man after my own heart.

1574
01:10:49.619 --> 01:10:50.699
Wow.

1575
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:55.140
Let's see how Bragger and Rick Berman managed to write a man

1576
01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:55.680
pregnant.

1577
01:10:55.739 --> 01:10:59.039
Yeah, it's going to be awful. can't wait.

1578
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:54.060
Oh, Joy.

1579
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:56.760
Yeah, that's a good show.

1580
01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:57.420
Oh my god.

1581
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.119
Is it going to be sort of super offensive to women as well?

1582
01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:03.659
Does he crave ice cream and shit?

1583
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:05.279
like ice cream and pickles.

1584
01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:07.260
Does he eat ice cream and pickles because he's pregnant?

1585
01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:08.939
What did Gemma say about this one?

1586
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:10.619
Oh, God.

1587
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.920
He's the person who gave Wolf in the fold 3 out of 4 stars.

1588
01:12:14.939 --> 01:12:17.699
Oh, you never let that one go.

1589
01:12:17.819 --> 01:12:18.960
Oh my god.

1590
01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:21.000
He did give him the calls.

1591
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.640
Oh, Mark.

1592
01:12:23.699 --> 01:12:26.939
Yeah, well, it's great, but Jesus Christ.

1593
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.359
Wolf in the Folds barely a functional piece of television.

1594
01:12:31.979 --> 01:12:33.600
Here we go.

1595
01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:34.079
Right.

1596
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.739
Damn.

1597
01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:40.560
They do talk about they talk about it in that interview as well.

1598
01:12:40.619 --> 01:12:43.859
He's like, we genuinely, we really wanted to say the 1st series

1599
01:12:43.859 --> 01:12:47.159
all on earth with this crew assembling over a year.

1600
01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:48.779
It's so boring though.

1601
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:55.560
But the serialising thing that Koto does is basically that, isn't

1602
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:55.739
it?

1603
01:12:55.800 --> 01:13:02.579
You know, they come back from that trip to the expanse and then we

1604
01:13:02.579 --> 01:13:05.340
get that episode, which is like family.

1605
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:06.479
I can't remember what it's called.

1606
01:13:06.539 --> 01:13:08.640
Yeah, which is good.

1607
01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:12.180
Um, you know, and then they go out again and like interesting

1608
01:13:12.180 --> 01:13:12.659
things.

1609
01:13:12.659 --> 01:13:16.619
Like, I think I kind of liked that setup, that version of this.

1610
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.800
This is all I need to say to you, is this line of this...

1611
01:13:19.859 --> 01:13:22.920
Not long after the trip, not long after trip returns to the

1612
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:27.539
Enterprise, and the Zyrillians, with a big edge. head on their way

1613
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:29.880
trip notices that he's growing nipples.

1614
01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:32.880
Oh, no.

1615
01:13:32.939 --> 01:13:33.960
Oh no.

1616
01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:36.659
Don't you find it makes your boobs firm up?

1617
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.039
You get that line?

1618
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.119
Frequently.

1619
01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:43.079
Jesus Christ.

1620
01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:45.300
Oh God.

1621
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:46.859
Oh, amazing.

1622
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:50.399
Yeah, that's just going to be fucking dreadful, isn't it?

1623
01:13:50.460 --> 01:13:54.300
One day, we'll find it, the Enterprise Classic, but...

1624
01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:55.319
We haven't yet.

1625
01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:57.479
No, no.

1626
01:13:58.500 --> 01:14:01.380
So Star Trek Legacy, right?

1627
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:05.880
With Raffi and and 7.

1628
01:14:05.939 --> 01:14:12.720
Yeah. and little Jack Crusher as their special ops guy or whatever

1629
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:14.279
their advisor.

1630
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:18.600
And... and Elnor.

1631
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.000
Well, has it been green there?

1632
01:14:21.060 --> 01:14:23.640
No, I'm just planning it in my head.

1633
01:14:23.699 --> 01:14:25.199
Oh, okay.

1634
01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:26.399
Yeah, it'd be great.

1635
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.020
And how about this?

1636
01:14:28.619 --> 01:14:34.020
Something happens that resurrects sure from the dead just like

1637
01:14:34.020 --> 01:14:38.699
happens happened to shacks in lower decks, and no one knows why

1638
01:14:38.699 --> 01:14:40.560
but he's just back to life again.

1639
01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:43.619
Because he's so great.

1640
01:14:43.739 --> 01:14:46.020
I was so disappointed they killed him.

1641
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.619
Obviously, they were going to, but holy shit, that was so superb

1642
01:14:49.619 --> 01:14:51.239
and that was such a great before.

1643
01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:53.220
You could have had real scenera as well, you know.

1644
01:14:53.220 --> 01:14:55.979
Just find their way for him to come back to the future.

1645
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:59.340
Oh, come on. he's so good So pretty, isn't he?

1646
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:00.060
He's so good.

1647
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:01.439
But yeah, nope.

1648
01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:05.579
But I'm definitely on board for...

1649
01:15:05.579 --> 01:15:08.579
Well, that's a massive fan. campaign for legacies, isn't it?

1650
01:15:09.180 --> 01:15:13.979
I think it got enough of a response for them to have discussions.

1651
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:19.859
Well, think about how, I mean, they must have been considering

1652
01:15:19.859 --> 01:15:22.020
strange new worlds.

1653
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:24.479
Do you know what I mean?

1654
01:15:24.539 --> 01:15:28.199
With the cast that they assembled for series 2.

1655
01:15:28.380 --> 01:15:29.760
Yeah.

1656
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:34.319
Um, I don't think you've seen all of that trailer, that strangely

1657
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.500
world's trailer, because when you said, uh, are they going to play

1658
01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:42.060
a vegan cartoon, you did see the end of it where Picard goes, uh

1659
01:15:42.060 --> 01:15:47.699
leave log and prosper, Mr. Boimler, and Boimler goes, uh, you, like

1660
01:15:47.699 --> 01:15:52.560
live, uh, thing, like, he just can't, like, he gets, like

1661
01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:56.159
ridiculously tongue tied in response.

1662
01:15:56.220 --> 01:15:57.420
You have to watch it.

1663
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:58.979
It's the end of the trailer.

1664
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:02.640
Like, it's, like, tawny nuisance comes in, goes, surprise, here we

1665
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:02.819
are.

1666
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:07.680
And then at the end, it's livelong and prosper, Mr. Boemler, and

1667
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:12.239
Boemler just absolutely flubs his line on the, like he can't even

1668
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:13.739
speak because it's Spock.

1669
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.779
Oh, I can't wait for that episode.

1670
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:17.100
It's...

1671
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:18.239
But you have to watch the trailer.

1672
01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:18.960
He's really funny.

1673
01:16:19.020 --> 01:16:21.180
Like, he absolutely sells it as boemire.

1674
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:22.260
And I think they'll do a big.

1675
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:26.279
How, like, don't bar into that season is that episode going to

1676
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:26.460
be?

1677
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:26.880
Do we know?

1678
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:27.720
Who knows?

1679
01:16:27.779 --> 01:16:28.260
We don't know.

1680
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.479
Hang on, let me see if I can see it now.

1681
01:16:30.539 --> 01:16:32.100
Yeah, slow.

1682
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:34.920
Oh, it's so exciting.

1683
01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:36.000
It's like 2 weeks.

1684
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:41.159
So great, that show.

1685
01:16:41.220 --> 01:16:43.199
I'll try and watch that finale before then.

1686
01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:43.859
Oh, here we go.

1687
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.539
Yeah, you should.

1688
01:16:45.539 --> 01:16:46.739
Skip to the end, dear.

1689
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:48.840
There's a cliffhanger.

1690
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.220
You also live and...

1691
01:16:53.220 --> 01:16:56.159
Yeah, yeah, it's so great.

1692
01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:57.840
He just fucks it up completely.

1693
01:16:57.899 --> 01:16:58.979
It's so boiler.

1694
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:00.359
It's just absolutely him.

1695
01:17:00.420 --> 01:17:01.979
His hair is even slightly purple.

1696
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.340
Oh, the special effects look amazing.

1697
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:07.560
Yeah, it doesn't look great.

1698
01:17:07.619 --> 01:17:10.079
And stuff in the present day on earth as well.

1699
01:17:10.140 --> 01:17:11.640
Or something?

1700
01:17:14.699 --> 01:17:16.979
So season 2 has 10 episodes.

1701
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:23.039
Do you think there's going to be people crying out for more live

1702
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:24.720
action lower decks though after this?

1703
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.720
No, it really works well.

1704
01:17:27.779 --> 01:17:32.460
I've heard rumours that that episode's partly animated.

1705
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.260
Oh, I hope so.

1706
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:35.699
I hope so.

1707
01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:36.659
Oh, half and half.

1708
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:38.100
I'll be all over that shit.

1709
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:38.819
Great.

1710
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:46.439
So if we saw, like, um, if we saw, like, maybe we see Rutherford

1711
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.159
and Tandy at the beginning and then those 2 go over to the

1712
01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:53.579
Enterprise and their live action, but then we get to see the

1713
01:17:53.579 --> 01:17:56.640
animated version of the Enterprise crew at the end of the episode

1714
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.739
because, of course.

1715
01:18:00.180 --> 01:18:04.979
Because, like, people are kind of going, oh, that's not Canon, but

1716
01:18:04.979 --> 01:18:08.159
then if it's in Strangely Wells and it's Canon, because...

1717
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:10.500
I dare them to do it like TAS animation.

1718
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.380
With the face like that.

1719
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.479
Don't you remember?

1720
01:18:15.539 --> 01:18:19.079
Do you remember when, like, like, one of them is looking at a

1721
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:23.699
picture of Spock and Kirk on their, on their pad in, in lower

1722
01:18:23.699 --> 01:18:26.939
decks, and it is just animated Spock and Kirk from the animated

1723
01:18:26.939 --> 01:18:27.420
series?

1724
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:28.920
Like, it's not them.

1725
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.260
And, like, looking like the character sort of thing.

1726
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:32.880
It just them from the animated series.

1727
01:18:32.939 --> 01:18:35.640
I could watch that through again as well, you know?

1728
01:18:35.699 --> 01:18:37.500
Oh, it's great.

1729
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.680
It's so good It's probably the best Kursman series.

1730
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:42.600
Stranger Worlds is great.

1731
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.199
Discovery is ambitious and looks incredible.

1732
01:18:46.260 --> 01:18:50.880
But just love it. in terms of just pure entertainment.

1733
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:51.840
Yeah, yeah.

1734
01:18:51.899 --> 01:18:53.880
And it's great Star Trek as well.

1735
01:18:53.939 --> 01:18:55.199
It's proper.

1736
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:56.520
The one with the search.

1737
01:18:56.579 --> 01:18:57.659
It's just so pretty.

1738
01:18:57.659 --> 01:19:00.539
That's so great, isn't it?

1739
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.760
Mathematically perfect redemption.

1740
01:19:02.819 --> 01:19:03.600
It's so...

1741
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:07.319
Genuinely do it in something completely original. and new, yeah.