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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this week we are in what I think is probably a very, very

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normal day at the office for Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Does that seem reasonable?

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I send you a, I sent you a lot of messages while I was watching

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this episode through it. long before you watched it as well?

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And I think I said, this is Star Trek, the Next Generation, as

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written by an AI.

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You know, it's got all the elements in place.

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It's basically the most average written episode of, you know, like

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you said, everyone's defined by their jobs.

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There's a big space problem.

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There's a half decent science fiction idea at the heart of it.

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It's just very tedious.

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It's the trouble.

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I know you like this more than me.

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This is one of the most boring ones we've done so far.

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I think manhunt was boring because it was literally just trying to

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wait out the clock.

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We have no riders.

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We're just going to do some things until the closing credits

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rescue us and we can get on with our lives.

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I think this is a functional piece of television.

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In a way that like last week's Wolf in the Fold wasn't.

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I mean, everyone listening to this knows that we're talking about

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the masterpiece society, which is series 5, and series 5 of Star

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Trek, the next generation is really good, I think, on the whole

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like the level of quality is really good, and some of the episodes

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are great.

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I mean, we did Dharmok, which is obviously pretty incredible, but

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there's heaps of really good things.

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Annoying that the randomiser would choose.

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I'd say this is probably in the bottom 5 episodes of season 5 and

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it couldn't have chosen us, you know, gems such as Ensign Rowe, you

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know, cause and effect, the 1st duty, you know, top dollar drama.

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Well...

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Can I tell you what we were spared, though?

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Because I've got a quote here from Adam Bellenoth, who I believe

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had some input into the writing of this episode.

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And the original notion for the masterpiece society, he goes on to

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say, is not many elements from the perfect human, which is more it

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was originally called, ended up in the masterpiece society.

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But one of the things that did make it was the genetically

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engineered society.

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In the original conception, it was an idyllic community that

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contained essentially a 100 Dolph Lundrens, what's a Dolph

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Lundren?

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That's he's a kind of big muscle bound, um, actor.

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What is he?

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Is he Dutch or something?

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I can't remember.

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He's like a kind of Jean-Claude Van Damme sort of level action

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hero from a period.

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And so he's a sort of big muscle guy.

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I can't even remember what he's in.

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And Paulina.

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I'm going to try and say this, right?

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Porritz Covers, romping around semi-clothed, Adam and Eve-like.

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It was a beautiful blue lagoon colony, which sounds a little bit

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like justice to me.

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It does.

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Planet of the white people, horny white people.

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Yeah, I think that that's terrible.

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And what they do instead is kind of move away from that conception

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to a society that's racially kind of diverse and they definitely

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go out of their way to do that in the casting of the extras.

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And everyone's supposed to be like a Mozart or Feynman or

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something, you know, they're geniuses in their field.

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Do you get that from the actors, though?

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I didn't really get that these people were, you know.

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No, but maybe the society.

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No, but like everyone is sort of super brilliant.

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And so there's no problems and so everyone's super bored.

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The idea, isn't it, isn't it, that it's so perfectly judged, like

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you know, everything sort of slots into place in like a perfect

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society.

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So should somebody beam down from the enterprise, that throws the

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whole thing out of whack.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so what happens is this society falls apart, but it doesn't

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fall apart because anyone is doing anything very wrong.

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Like the enterprise is helping them.

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The enterprise is careful about the amount of contact.

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It lets the leader, Aaron Connor, decide the level of contact.

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I know.

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The leader, you know, lets them decide the level of contact that's

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acceptable.

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Everyone goes out of their way to try and help them in as

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minimally a disruptive way as possible, but it doesn't work and it

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shouldn't work, I think.

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And so, like, the problem is there isn't any analogue to this

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society, a genetically perfect society where everyone's a sort of

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massive genius.

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So like, I don't know how to feel about it.

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I do think that there are things that we can think about, and I do

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think that what happens to Aaron and Hannah, who's the kind of

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lead female guest actor, you know, that there's some sort of

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interest to be had there, and Picard gets a pretty good speech at

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some point during the episode, but there's...

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I think anybody, like, like this is, the potential downfall, this

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perfect society, which could contain some drama, but I think

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everybody's playing it sort of so flat.

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Yeah.

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By the end, they're just going, well, we're leaving.

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All right.

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Ta-ra.

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And it was like, well, where's the drama here?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, and the closest it comes to drama is when Hannah fakes some

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readings in order to try and make them all leave.

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And that's super interesting.

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I cannot say, the camera lingered on her long enough.

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So I was like, something's going on here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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When that tip Geordie off, and so we deal with it instantly and

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it's over.

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So, I don't know.

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It is boring and no one is much fun to be around either.

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And I think that's a problem.

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Like, that romance, like, I think that that romance was sort of

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doomed.

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We'll talk about it as we go, but he isn't very good.

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Did you notice the way they kissed each other?

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I mean, there's chaste kissing and then there's the sort of that

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sort of duck face he gave her as he lent in.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think we can talk about that as it comes up because we've

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left the sort of horny Roddenbury approach to sex, which was kind

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of embarrassing, but perhaps better than the incredibly sort of

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sexless chased Berman version.

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Like, what's the better approach?

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Yeah, is it the ickiness of justice or the just the totally non

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sexiness of this?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And like, there's something, there's something here.

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We will talk about it.

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There's something here, but, you know, Aaron Connor is in theory

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attractive or the script wants him to be attractive.

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And Deanna's definitely attractive.

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So they're 2 sort of attractive young people, but they, they don't

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spark.

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And the only place that the script can think of for them to go is

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one of them falls in love with the other.

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And I just think that's a bit limp, you know, like it's stupid.

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It's a TV romance that blossoms and then is destroyed within the

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space of about 15 minutes.

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I was just waiting for him to say a lot.

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I knew it was coming. where he goes, you know, perhaps it's your

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flaws that makes you so enticing.

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I mean, someone has died.

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Did you a bit wear Troy confesses her, you know, indiscretion to

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Captain Bernard?

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and he's like what is the nature of your relationship now?

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I'm like, nobody talks like this.

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Can I just, can I throw a quote from Ronald D. Moore, who very, you

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know what?

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I like Ronald D. Moore commenting on Star Trek that he was

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involved in because he will be scathing if he needs to be.

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It doesn't work.

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He'll say it doesn't work.

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And he says, this is another example of a show that doesn't really

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work too well.

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We sort of show up a genetically perfect colony, which in of

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itself is starting to bore me.

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And when we get there, it's, gee, Troy falls in love with one of

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the people.

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I mean, you can't wait to get up and get a beer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think that could have been funny.

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I think that could have been fun because we've seen what Marina is

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capable of, and we didn't have to wait until Picard series 3 to

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find that out, and this could have been much more fun had she been

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playing it more interestingly, but the show and the script wants

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her to be a good girl.

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Well, it is the truth, Nathan, that I have very recently seen a

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Troy Romance episode about 5 minutes before I put the masterpiece

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society on it, fact. upsetting.

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Because for some reason, I thought we were doing the price from

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season 3 this week, which features Troy getting down and dirty.

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This seems where she's all in a man's chest up.

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I mean, she's a bit of a sort of good time girl in that episode.

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It's a lot more fun than this.

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I couldn't wait to talk about that.

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It featured the bars and wormhole.

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It was defining the quadrants.

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You know, it was a genuinely sort of funny, sexy romance episode.

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And then 10 minutes from the end.

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I'm sending you these messages about it. 10 minutes in, you go, you

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do know this is not the episode that we're talking about this week

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right?

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I was like, oh God.

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Yeah, I thought you just thrown a random Star Trek on, and then it

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became apparent that you thought that that was what we were doing

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and it was a little bit crushing to say, I'm sorry, but this fun

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episode is not what we're going to be talking about.

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Do you know what?

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I do actually wonder if had I just watched the masterpiece society

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that I might have had a better reaction to it, but because I

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watched the Prime...

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But this, I mean, this is Star Trek the Next Generation's failure

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mode, isn't it?

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It's talky, everyone's standing around delivering speeches at each

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other.

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Everyone's their job, so no one, you know, ever has a laugh.

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Everyone's very stiff.

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Stock colony set number 52.

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Yeah, it's number one, isn't it?

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And even worse than the colonies say, is they try and do it like

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an area of grass and light it as if it's a park.

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I'm like, oh, stop.

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There's a park outside.

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You know what I was thinking the whole time.

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Apparently, apparently the, you know, they wanted to show the sort

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of desolate landscape outside the colony through that window, but

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apparently a sort of special effects terms at the time, that was a

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bit of a nightmare, but they insisted that it was shown on

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screens.

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So I happened to shoot around that bloody window with special

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effects in it.

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And so that was tiny everybody up in knots, production wise.

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I think, I think, um, he races this.

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He raises and he actually is quoted as saying that this is where

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season 5 started to cohere for him.

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So I'm wondering if his instincts are actually not as sharp as I

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perhaps thought.

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Well, I think that Pilla is probably responsible for the best

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relationship between one of the regulars and one of the guest cast

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and that is the scenes between Geordie and Hannah, because Pilla

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always wants to make it about our characters, which is the right

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approach.

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It's the thing that Star Trek learns during its run, that the

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shows have to be not about space things, but about our characters

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reactions to space things.

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And I think that there's actually 2 things that probably Peeler is

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responsible for that I think are a pretty good call.

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So, like, I think that there's things to be said for this, but I

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think there's real problems with the performance, and I think it

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makes Star Trek the Next Generation's problems really apparent

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where if there's a really fun performance or a really interesting

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idea, the show can kind of transcend those just basic problems.

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But here they're really very much on display.

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Do you remember when we watched PowerPlay, which was Troy and Col

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Meaney and Brett Spider, you know, taken over by aliens and

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holding up everybody and 10 forward.

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And I declared, oh, I don't know, maybe Star Trek, the next

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generation, isn't quite as good as I seem to think it was.

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I would kill to watch that rather than this time.

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Yeah, you see, I think that the failure of power play is different

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and I think the failure of power play is not to be Star Trek

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enough, that it's just kind of content to be a police procedural

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for a week, which is kind of boring in which the characters are

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not very good at.

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It does give Marina the chance to do some fabulous acting and

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stuff, which is pretty great.

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Which the philosophy society fails doesn't somehow.

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Yeah.

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Well, we should probably watch the thing, you know.

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We covered it in some, definitely.

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Do you think we've been putting it off?

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I think so.

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I do think I'm not pressing a randomiser this week and my one

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condition is it's an episode I know is good.

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After watching Lissa Wolf in the fold.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I need a firm reminder, Star Trek.

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All right, here goes.

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I'm going to count us in five, four, three, two, one, and we're

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off.

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There we go.

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Okay, so, um, these are new special effects that I have and that

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Netflix has, uh, and I think, you know, they were sort of fairly

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reasonable, the 1st go round.

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Oh, look, there's Ensign Gates.

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Is that the woman from your short story?

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No, no, no.

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No, she does come up, I think, in, in, what is she in?

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She's in clues.

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Every time we cut to the bridge. like, is that the way?

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No, no.

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You're going to have to explain about that someday.

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I will.

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Maybe I'll link to it at some point.

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That's into McKnight.

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Ensign Gates, which I think is pretty great.

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But you know, this very much reminded me of sort of series one

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episode, like when the bowel breaks.

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Do you remember that?

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When they visit Aldea, a perfect society where all your wish all

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justice and things like that, it is a bit of a throwback, isn't

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it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the trouble is, is we're in a season 5 now where, you know, all

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the music has gone down to a dull sort of mute yawn.

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The music is very, very boring, isn't it?

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Yeah, when I watch the prize, I'll tell you what, there was wall

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to-wall music in that.

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Okay, it was doing the cod romance music, but in my...

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So this is the planet.

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I don't think it even has a name, does it?

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And...

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Like, I think this is sort of this is very Star Treky stuff where

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they're just kind of talking about their jobs and things and

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that's kind of what I'm tuning in for when I'm watching this

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originally.

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So this is this is okay, I think.

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This is a hell of a cliche that we keep going back to, isn't it?

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Borgio, it's especially guilty of this.

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Turning up on a planet and saying, look, you've got a natural

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disaster coming.

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We need to help you out and then the planet going, no, we don't

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need your help.

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You know, we don't have strangers here, go away.

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And then throughout the course of the episode, they, you know, save

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the planet.

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See, this is kind of funny this bit too, because Aaron doesn't

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have his own office, so he's just on the set taking his call.

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And in the background...

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So there's Martin.

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He, he, he will actually react to the sorts of things that Aaron

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is saying on the call, which is really, really funny.

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I mean, it's so...

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What is going on with Brett's hair there?

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Yeah, no, it's always like that.

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Are you suggesting to me that on this perfect planet, these people

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are called Aaron and Martin.

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Yeah, well, they're from 200 years ago, Aaron and Martin.

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I mean, look at his zipper.

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Like, look at his outfit, for God's sake.

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Like their clothes are really shockingly bad.

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I mean, that's part of the fun of Star Trek the Next Generation, is

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it's very 90s, isn't it?

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And so everyone has this sort of terrible, terrible.

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Everyone looks like they've kept up from the gap, don't they?

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It's all very bright colours. so bad.

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It's super embarrassing I feel sorry for wrong Canada because

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actually he's a fairly good actor and he's lumbered with the role

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of just having to be in every scene going, we don't want anything

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to do with these people.

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You know, he's he's the guy that's stopping everything from

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happening.

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Yeah. in everything.

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He's the one that's wrong.

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As you usually say about Wolf.

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Yes, that's right.

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He gets to be wrong.

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Look at him like he's reacting to the background of this call.

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It's so funny, he's getting more and more cross.

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Yeah, that is definitely a CG shot of the holiday.

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Yeah, and it would have been one of those really nice kind of mat

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shots, one of those, you know, good match shots, which they can do

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in this period where there's a little bit of CG enhancement and

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things can move.

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So we had Hannah in the front of that shot there.

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So this guy's...

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Look at all their clothes.

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Awful.

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And then Deanna's wearing that thing, like that shocking thing.

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And that set looks just terrible.

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It just looks...

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You think that somebody would point out at some point, you know

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doesn't this look like the colony we went to in the vengeance

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factor and they all look exactly the same?

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They're all the same sort of stone work.

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Well, it's not stone, is it?

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It's cardboard, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But, but, but, like, I just don't understand why they can't go

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outside.

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Like, I can't understand.

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Is it cheaper?

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I guess it is.

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It's cheaper to light a fake garden. in a set, but risk it looking

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terrible.

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You remember in like, um, God, what's the episode?

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The survivors. where they go out onto that, just that house with a

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bit of grass.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's terrific.

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And, you know, like they find a building that looks spacy and

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futury.

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And you, like, that's probably the problem.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like that's probably the problem.

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And what's the episode in series one of Voyager before and after

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where they go to that sort of sewage reclamation plant or

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something like that?

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But even that looks better than just going to a space.

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They're literally walking through a horse race area, just because

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it looks a little bit sort of out of space.

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But, you know, let's appreciate the effort that they did go

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outside.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And like, I don't know why they can't do it here, and it would

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work really well because if they're in a dome, but in, like in

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this sort of dome, making it look like they've got an environment

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that is like an idyllic garden rather than just, you know, like

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you saw the lawn there that they were standing on, it looked like

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a butcher's shop window, like it just wasn't very good.

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Yeah, so like they're kind of, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, look at it.

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The idea is supposed to be, isn't it?

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got idyllic one side of the window and you've got desolation the

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other side of the window.

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That's right.

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But they're idyllic and my idyllic are 2 very different things.

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Well, but look how far away the sky is.

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Like, it's just behind that tree.

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It's really not very good.

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So here's what I think is potentially interesting here, right?

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There's nothing in the world that corresponds to this sort of

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genetic engineering thing.

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And I don't think that it's worth them doing an episode about

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eugenics, right?

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So what I think this is, this is a society whose principles were

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laid down by their ancestors 200 years ago, and for 200 years

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they've been living in accordance with what their ancestors have

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said their society should be like, right?

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And in fact, Martin gets referred to as a judge, right?

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Like, I think Deanna says, you know, is he like a judge, someone

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who judges the intentions of our founders?

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And I think that that sounds like America.

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Or it certainly sounds like conservatism, but in an American

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situation where you have the Supreme Court that rules on the how

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constitutional certain things are and does it, particularly at the

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moment, in a way that is supposed to be, here's what the people

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200 and something years ago, thought our society should be like.

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And so these people live in this way that's been set up for them

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200 years ago and they're stuck with it, right?

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So it's a conservative society that says everyone should have

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their place, everyone needs to behave in this sort of certain

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way.

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And so they do a good job of hiding that by giving that role to a

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black man and by having a racially diverse, a racially diverse

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cast.

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So what we get here, Christ, that looks shit.

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What the hell is that piece of art?

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though, like, you know, yeah.

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What's the blonde woman's name?

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She's very quick to decide, actually, do you know what?

442
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I don't want them.

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Yes.

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And, you know, the fellow that Martin, you know, that Troy has the

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romance with, he's very quick to go. flaws are quite enticing.

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So maybe, you know, our society isn't as perfect as we think it

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is.

448
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Oh no, it's Aaron, isn't it?

449
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Having the relationship, sorry.

450
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's only really, only Martin, that's, you know, he's not for

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200 people.

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Yeah, because these people's kind of, you know, once we smash down

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their walls and they realise that there's, you know, 100s of

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1000000s of human beings, you know, who work together and share

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this culture and stuff.

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I mean, life on the enterprise still has like really cheesy

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concerts where people play Chopin preludes and stuff like that.

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Do you know what I mean?

460
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But on top of that, because no one's a genius in isolation, right?

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Like Hannah here is like a physics genius and she's been

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programmed from birth through her DNA to be a physics genius, but

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that's not how you get a physics genius.

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Physics people interact with one another.

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They bounce off one another.

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They're part of a world, a community of physicists who publish and

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read each other's staff. contrasting with a community of the same

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people.

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That's where you get your genius, the best and the best.

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That's right.

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And so, and so when these people turn up, and you do get this from

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Hannah, when these people turn up, they just outclass her in every

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sense.

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And we see her being brilliant in those scenes with Geordie, but

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she can't compete with Geordie because Geordie has had the

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advantage of the input of 1000s and 1000s of genius.

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Very humbling for them, especially if you have been brought up to

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think you are the best.

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So what about this bit?

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What about this bit, right?

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where she says I'm going to stay behind and Riker kind of gets a

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little bit pissy.

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It's kind of like, you're going to fuck this guy, aren't you?

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And then he comes...

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Like he's playing it.

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Like he thinks that she's going to hit on him now and he's a

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little bit annoyed by it, which is kind of delighted.

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I'm really pleased we got an episode like this because this is the

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perfect example of the one shot romance that fails dismally.

490
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And I think it's partly in the writing, but I think it's mostly in

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the performance.

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They just don't have any chemistry.

493
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No, they don't.

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And like, I'm telling you now, that fellow that she's, she

495
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literally jumps on in on the bed in price.

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It's hot as hell.

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He comes, he comes up to her and he just starts grabbing her hair

498
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:25.019
and pulling her back and it's all a bit sadomasochistic, yeah.

499
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.700
I should watch that after this.

500
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:30.000
So this guy's been in the show before.

501
00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:33.420
He's the pretty Romulan who gets stranded on the planet with

502
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:36.420
Geordie in the enemy and he's really vulnerable.

503
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.279
Much, yes, performance.

504
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.220
I think he's doing his best to try and sound like a leader.

505
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.079
And I think he has some success.

506
00:24:46.140 --> 00:24:49.200
But I don't think he's pretty enough for this role.

507
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:55.980
And I think that she should find him amusing because I think that

508
00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:57.900
because, do you know what I mean?

509
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.339
Do you know what angle they go to?

510
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:00.119
perfect politician.

511
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:03.359
They go for the eggwood and Picard also, you know, this perfect

512
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.140
society.

513
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.000
Is this what you'd want, Deanna?

514
00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:09.839
And she actually stands there and goes, am I, actually?

515
00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:10.079
yeah.

516
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:11.460
And I'm like, no, Deanna.

517
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.839
Yes.

518
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:13.980
Well, that's it.

519
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.400
Like, this is like, it's not super flattering to have this guy

520
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.720
come onto you because you're the 1st person that he hasn't met

521
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.400
before kind of ever.

522
00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:24.240
Right?

523
00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:27.240
And so now he has the chance to have sex with someone who he

524
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.420
hasn't seen every day for several decades, you know.

525
00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:34.799
I think like this is one of those Star Trek societies where

526
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.799
everybody is like giving a very balanced performance, you know, and

527
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.319
because they are supposed to be so enlightened and all of this

528
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:45.420
nobody could be passionate about anything.

529
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.000
And you can't have a romance without fucking passion.

530
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:48.900
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:52.440
But you see, I mean, I quite like these 2 and they're doing

532
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:53.880
they're doing work.

533
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:57.420
So this is Geordie and Hannah, and I like Hannah's performance.

534
00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.619
I think she's the best here.

535
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.039
She comes back twice in Star Trek.

536
00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:04.200
She's in a DS9 and an enterprise.

537
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:09.240
She's one of the very few characters in DS9 that learns just how

538
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.960
big Odo can possibly be because they have a hell of a romance in

539
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:13.380
that story.

540
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:13.740
Yeah.

541
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:14.819
Simple investigation.

542
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:15.299
Check it out.

543
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:15.720
Right.

544
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.960
Is she a sort of femme fatale in that?

545
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:20.339
Uh, no.

546
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.940
Well, she's working for a sort of gang and the Odo's

547
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:24.480
investigating.

548
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:26.519
It's not great, if I'm honest.

549
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:28.619
You know, later on when she's on the Enterprise.

550
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.160
Did you know it?

551
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:31.920
She's in like a, she looks very 80.

552
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:34.140
She's in like a skirt and blouse.

553
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.319
And I'm like, they're not even trying to pretend we're in the

554
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:38.400
future anymore, are they?

555
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:41.400
Look at his look on his face.

556
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:42.240
He looks so weird.

557
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.019
I think she's beautiful and I think that helps as well.

558
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.380
Yeah, so he's Martin again.

559
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.380
Yeah, this violates the intentions of our founders.

560
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.920
And he's got and nobody's got any emotions, but actually, poor Ron

561
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.460
Canada's having to act every scene with this sort of anger, isn't

562
00:26:59.460 --> 00:26:59.640
he?

563
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.160
Yeah, yeah.

564
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:08.220
I think so for me, I think the thing is that this society is

565
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:09.000
stultifying.

566
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:12.900
Like it's it's called the masterpiece society, I think, because of

567
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.259
their conception that everyone here is a genius. everyone hears a

568
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.859
list or a Beethoven or a...

569
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:20.640
How did they come to be?

570
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.940
How did this society appear on this planet?

571
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.599
Is that explained?

572
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.160
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

573
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:28.380
Like they're from 2000 years ago or something, they don't even

574
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:29.519
know what a transporter is.

575
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:32.339
They came here on a ship and built the thing.

576
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:32.940
I don't know.

577
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.380
So it like they just kind of, so they're humans.

578
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.240
And that's the other thing too.

579
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.740
Like they're human beings and the one speech that I really like

580
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:46.799
the one thing that I like is when Picard says, if they want to

581
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.819
leave, I'm going to take them, you know, because they have the

582
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:51.960
right to leave.

583
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.460
And that's the point.

584
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:58.019
This society only functions if everyone does as they're told.

585
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.839
And the moment that people are discontented.

586
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:05.640
And so that's why I think, and there's a dark underbelly to this

587
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.200
scene here.

588
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.900
This scene here with Picard, where...

589
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:12.420
Well, he's appalled, isn't he, by the idea of genetic

590
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:13.019
modification.

591
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.140
And this is the, this is what they run with with Star Trek, because

592
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:20.400
when Bashir turns out to be genetically enhanced in DS9, like he

593
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.160
faces prison sentence, even though that was done against his

594
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:23.460
will.

595
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:29.400
Yeah, but isn't that isn't that the result of Star Trek 2, though

596
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:29.819
isn't it?

597
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.380
The, the, the, whatever wars, the, the, the, the, that doing

598
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:36.000
eugenics.

599
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:37.319
It can work.

600
00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:39.420
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.940
I mean, You mean, you just got to dial up the camp to 11.

602
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:43.500
That's what I thought. right.

603
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.619
Well, they kind of do that in enterprise as well in series four.

604
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.240
But I think that the appalling thing isn't that they're

605
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:52.319
genetically modified.

606
00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:55.980
It is that they're told exactly how they have to live and they're

607
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:58.500
kind of bred so that they're compliant with that.

608
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.420
So they just do that thing.

609
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.880
And so that idea that there's no one who, you know, is a, like

610
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.720
like you don't get to be a bad poet in your spare time, you know

611
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.599
like you just have to do your job and if you happen to love

612
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.119
something else, then that's kind of too bad.

613
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.500
Imagine that.

614
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.920
Can you imagine if every single episode of Untitled Star Trek

615
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:24.000
project that we brought out was a peerless piece of podcast.

616
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:25.079
Well, that's true, it is.

617
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.440
But we wouldn't know what are the best episodes.

618
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.420
Everything you did was perfect.

619
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.559
Yeah.

620
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.859
Yeah, but I think that I think that the issue isn't that everyone

621
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:35.759
here is too perfect.

622
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:40.259
I think that everyone here is too rigidly controlled and isolated

623
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:44.339
and the moment they're given the chance to actually take control

624
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.640
of their destiny, to make their own decisions about what they want

625
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:52.319
to do for the 1st time ever in their lives, they say, fuck this

626
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.619
we're off, you know, and fair enough.

627
00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:00.779
And so one of the things I dislike about this is Picard's final

628
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:06.359
speech, which I think is just dreadful, not quite cogenitor levels

629
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.420
of dreadful, but kind of along the same lines, you know.

630
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.579
Maybe I'd switched off at that point.

631
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.200
So you'll have to remind me at the end.

632
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:17.640
Oh, I really like this scene in a minute, though, where Geordie

633
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.960
says, oh, I'm so tired and then takes off his visor and she can't

634
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.980
help but sort of stare and he says, I suppose in your society, you

635
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.480
know, I would have been killed at birth.

636
00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:28.799
That's basically the inference.

637
00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:30.480
And she just says, yeah you would.

638
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:32.759
Yeah, so it's not killed at birth.

639
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:35.759
It is like when after fertilisation. right?

640
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:39.839
And so there was some talk about whether this is a cogenitor.

641
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:42.960
Whether it's an anti-abortion thing and they very, very clearly

642
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.480
say, no, that's not what we were going for.

643
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:52.859
But what I think is super interesting is that there are 2 solid

644
00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:53.460
hints.

645
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:59.339
One in each of these relationships that this society is ablest and

646
00:30:59.339 --> 00:31:05.640
that by kind of invalidating, disable people's experience, it

647
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.460
actually misses out on something.

648
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:12.720
And the way that's made is that, you know, we discover something

649
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.380
from the visor that's able to help solve the problem, right?

650
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.319
So there's that, I love this though.

651
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:20.700
Like, he's vulnerable.

652
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.859
He hands her the visor she takes it.

653
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah, this is the one sort of beat of character where I really

654
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:26.700
felt something.

655
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.299
Well, see, this is what I think is this is what I think is

656
00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:31.619
probably pillar.

657
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.759
And so there's a whole range of human relationships, human

658
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.779
experiences that they're just invalidating and they want to not

659
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:40.859
happen.

660
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.240
And it's a complicated thing.

661
00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:43.019
Do you know what I mean?

662
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.799
Like people who are disabled, undergo all sorts of difficulties

663
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.880
and hardships and stuff, you know, and their lives can be

664
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.619
constrained in all sorts of ways.

665
00:31:52.680 --> 00:32:00.119
But I like that this society, this conservative society is ablest

666
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.279
and later we're going to find out that they're racist.

667
00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:06.900
And I think that that scene is thrown away, and I think that what

668
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:10.380
Deanna says is really biting in that, and I think it should have

669
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:11.940
been given more teeth.

670
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.660
I think it should have been absolutely telling.

671
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:22.740
If, um, If the conclusion for this episode, which is them saying

672
00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:25.859
no, we don't want any part of this, because we've been shown that

673
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:30.059
there are more interesting, more exciting, and more varied ways of

674
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.539
living your life, if it is a foregone conclusion, is there any

675
00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:34.740
drama in this at all then?

676
00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:38.819
The 2nd they beam down, we kind of know where we're going.

677
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.180
Yeah, maybe, maybe that's the problem.

678
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:44.519
And it is kind of inevitable.

679
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:45.359
It's what they fear.

680
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:46.559
But they do go out of their way.

681
00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:48.779
Like we do see them trying to solve the space problem without

682
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:53.220
intruding too much on the on the society, but we find like there's

683
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.920
that 1st initial thing which looks like it's working where they

684
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.220
move the stellar core fragment out of the way, then we discover

685
00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:02.279
that the buildings aren't reinforced enough, so we have to send 50

686
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:03.059
people down.

687
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.640
They're all really gormless extras though.

688
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.400
Oh, and it's literally, it's 5 people, isn't it?

689
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:09.839
Rather than the five.

690
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:11.039
There's 2 of them.

691
00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:12.240
It reminded me of the picture.

692
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.000
You ever the fit in DS9's home front of Paradise?

693
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.039
Also, they're like, right, we're going to beam down the martial

694
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.220
forces and we're going to have people on the streets of Starfleet

695
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:22.440
and it's 2 people with guns on the street.

696
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:27.900
To be fair, even strange new worlds had difficulty with a big

697
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:29.880
crowd in its 1st episode.

698
00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:33.720
That lady just had their, you know, Geordie about, you know, well

699
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.200
wouldn't it be ironic if the solution to your planet's problem

700
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:41.220
would be a blind man who never would exist in your society.

701
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:43.559
Look at this woman's hair.

702
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.059
She really needs that.

703
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.400
I will have an issue with the Tetna babble that's coming up in a

704
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:47.640
minute.

705
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:51.539
Now, but I will say I very much was paying attention to Lavar

706
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:54.900
Burton, because you're always telling me about how he sells it.

707
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.339
And he does sell it.

708
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.019
But man, it doesn't mean nothing.

709
00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.759
None of it means anything, does it?

710
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:04.680
No, but like you, like it gives the impression that these are

711
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:08.159
futury people who are very good at their space jobs and that's

712
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.079
really the only thing that it's there for.

713
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.480
I actually quite like this scene too.

714
00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:14.280
Look at that kid's hair, Nathan.

715
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:15.719
Yeah, it's terrible, isn't it?

716
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:20.280
I remember back when kids had that hair, like that was...

717
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:21.119
That's, isn't it?

718
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:22.440
Yeah, shockingly bad.

719
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.960
So that kid's playing Chopin.

720
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.500
And the, so is that a green screen?

721
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.880
Because it just...

722
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.079
I think it might just be a...

723
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:31.679
I think it might be.

724
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:39.239
Oh, of course, they go in front of that to have their big sort of

725
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:39.960
romantic kiss.

726
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:43.920
Yeah.

727
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:44.519
Oh, yeah.

728
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:48.539
If he's looking out on that dreadful set going, it's hard to

729
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:50.219
believe we're going to lose all of this.

730
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:52.860
Yeah, this...

731
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:57.539
These few square feet of pot plants.

732
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.559
Oh, no.

733
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:02.760
Do you know what, right?

734
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:05.880
Mark walked in just as this scene came on going on about Humpty

735
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:06.360
Dumpsy.

736
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:07.139
Humpty Dumpty.

737
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.460
And he started going, oh, it's an old earth nursery rhyme.

738
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.340
It's a metaphor for the situation that we're in right now.

739
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.099
I was like, yeah, he's figured out Star Trek already.

740
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.639
Yeah, I have to say that I do like the why do we tell our children

741
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.079
such ghastly stories.

742
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:23.880
I think is actually quite a good line.

743
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:28.199
But I think what's the problem with this is, right?

744
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:31.619
This doesn't need to be the love of his life, but that's all the

745
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.000
script can think of going.

746
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.179
It just needs to be someone he's never met before and then gets to

747
00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:36.900
have sex with.

748
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.940
And it's like, holy crap, why am I here with all of these boring

749
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:42.599
people?

750
00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:43.860
That's what they do have sex then.

751
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.860
I just think they just had a question, eh?

752
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.420
When she's apologising for a kiss.

753
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.380
No, we're, look, so we're going to fade to black for the credits.

754
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:53.760
She obviously had sex.

755
00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:55.559
Why is she admitting to it?

756
00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:00.059
Like fading to black in 90s trek covers a lot of sins, doesn't

757
00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:00.179
it?

758
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.019
Yeah, yeah.

759
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.500
But also there's that talk about her genetic material, and that's

760
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.280
the great line.

761
00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:07.619
It's like, I'm half beta zoid.

762
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.079
What are your founders gonna, you know, what do your founders

763
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:10.559
think of that?

764
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:12.659
Because they're big racists, you know?

765
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:17.340
Like, it's, I think that's good and it only happens, doesn't it?

766
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:18.300
He likes it.

767
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.619
He likes it. a bit naughty.

768
00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:22.320
Does that mean then if he's genetically modified, he is an

769
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.099
incredible lover?

770
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.840
No, don't know.

771
00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:27.780
If it's as boring as its performance.

772
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:28.800
No wonder.

773
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.559
Almost immediately she goes, yeah, we can't do that again.

774
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:32.099
I'm sorry.

775
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.039
I think Martin is an animal in bed though.

776
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.340
Like I, that would be, that would be my feeling.

777
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.659
Not Aaron, though. look at what she's wearing now Yeah, it's great

778
00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:43.139
isn't it?

779
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.460
It looks like she's wonderful. early 90s businesswoman.

780
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.260
She stepped out of a movie, didn't she?

781
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.019
She's got a sort of pink roll neck sweater.

782
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:56.159
LA law is shooting next door and she's just talked about.

783
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:59.820
That's a little bit too colourful, I think, but otherwise, that's

784
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:00.119
a thing.

785
00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:01.559
But that's, I think that's okay.

786
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:04.079
She's not wearing space clothes at least.

787
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:05.880
Oh, here we go.

788
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:09.360
Increase the efficiency at 300%. kind of a bit boring.

789
00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:11.760
Well, you'd be able to move the fragment as far as we'd like to.

790
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:12.960
Oh, you'll.

791
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:18.119
I have to say that I didn't mind the scene, though, where the 2 of

792
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.300
them were working together to get it to move course, you know, and

793
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:23.159
she's been in the reading.

794
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:26.639
I know it's important scene because, you know, at least to a

795
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:26.940
twist.

796
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.800
But the dialogue, it just...

797
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.239
So it's substantial.

798
00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:35.579
But that's what Star Trek is about.

799
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.219
But they don't even write the dialogue in the script.

800
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.039
They just put insert technobabble here.

801
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:44.880
That shows you how utterly disposable the techno babble is.

802
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:48.840
I liked her line where I'm still on enterprise time.

803
00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:53.340
I think that that's, It just makes, gives you a little hint into

804
00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:55.199
what their lives are like, you know.

805
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:59.219
She doesn't strike me. as the woman that's had the right of her

806
00:37:59.219 --> 00:37:59.460
life.

807
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.320
No, but she's, she's had, so she's had sex and I think she's seen

808
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.280
the effect on him, but none of that's in the script, you know.

809
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.380
Like, I don't buy this at all, like any of this.

810
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.980
She says I'm angry with myself, but she's not really playing it

811
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:20.639
angry, is she?

812
00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:21.179
No.

813
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:21.780
Well, she?

814
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:23.400
No, but that's that's Deanna.

815
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:24.300
I think that's reasonable.

816
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.619
Do you know what I mean?

817
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.460
That line there.

818
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:28.920
I could fall so easily.

819
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:30.059
So bad.

820
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:31.260
Yeah.

821
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.260
I think there should be a dictionary, you know, of romantic

822
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:36.000
dialogue from 90s trek.

823
00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:38.880
But why isn't it that they're just 2 young people.

824
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:40.019
She's on a mission.

825
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:41.159
They're attracted to each other.

826
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:41.880
They have sex.

827
00:38:41.940 --> 00:38:45.179
It's the 24th century and we're not sort of fucking, you know

828
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:47.219
prudes about all of that sort of thing.

829
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:53.460
But it's a bad idea because in this, in this episode, so we just

830
00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:58.679
had a fade to the credits and it's on their relationship and I

831
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679
think we understand that that's a thing that's going to break this

832
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.460
society.

833
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.860
The next credits end with Hannah enjoying herself working with

834
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:08.460
Geordie.

835
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.619
And that's, that's what that seems about.

836
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.300
It's not about the technobabble at all.

837
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.960
It's about how much she is enjoying working with another clever

838
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:20.159
person on a space problem, which is what Geordie gets to do every

839
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.519
week, whereas she just gets to sort of stand around in this

840
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.980
fucking set in all of her life, you know?

841
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:32.820
And so 22 like the, the 2 cliffhangers to the 2 ad brakes are the

842
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:36.179
2 things that are going to destroy this society and it's not the

843
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.219
stupid stellar core fragment.

844
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:43.920
And yet they're still not dramatised in a way that I'm paying

845
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:44.880
attention, you know?

846
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:45.840
But do you know what I mean?

847
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.739
Quiet moments.

848
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.179
I get what you're saying.

849
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:50.099
Yeah, I don't care.

850
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:50.820
It's okay.

851
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.719
You know, like it's not it's not what last week was, which was a

852
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:56.460
barely competent piece of television.

853
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:57.599
Like this is boring.

854
00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:58.739
Oh, everything.

855
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.300
But it's complicated.

856
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:02.280
It comes...

857
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.739
The most unenthusiastic.

858
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.119
Oh, we're here to fix the thing.

859
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:08.940
Very cute Asian woman at the front.

860
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.079
She just sort of looks around and goes, oh, a marvellous colony

861
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:13.619
I'm in.

862
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:15.179
That's right.

863
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.139
How could we let this possibly be destroyed, you know?

864
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.400
Oh my goodness.

865
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:22.500
That bit of art there.

866
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.579
It's so bad.

867
00:40:23.820 --> 00:40:25.199
Yeah.

868
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:28.440
It's interesting you should say that about, because it's

869
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.860
absolutely where we've gone with sex in discovery and things like

870
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.460
that, isn't it?

871
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.860
Because that 2 people can just be attracted to each other.

872
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.460
They can fuck and just have a good time.

873
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.880
And actually, I think we even get there in DS9 because Jazia.

874
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.320
Anyone who's visiting the station.

875
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.239
She's very happy to invite them to her club.

876
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.280
So, what happened here?

877
00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:53.159
Well, I think that I think that it's happening kind of outside of

878
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.019
the Berman purview a bit.

879
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:55.739
Do you know what I mean?

880
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.860
It's kind of they're letting things happen. on DS9.

881
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.199
And so Deep Space 9 is allowed to do that.

882
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.119
And that's an interesting grown-up thing.

883
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:07.079
We were talking about, there's a scene in Picard series 3 where

884
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.179
Riker and Troy talk about the changeling that came and, you know

885
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:15.420
impersonated him.

886
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.920
And that's funny, that scene, and they're making jokes about sex

887
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.000
light grownups.

888
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:25.199
You know, the, the, it's, it's terrific to see because it happens

889
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.820
so rarely in Star Trek.

890
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.159
And so, I don't know.

891
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.000
I guess that's just not available to them because that would have

892
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:33.480
been interesting.

893
00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:36.780
That would have been more interesting, is that they fuck.

894
00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:39.900
He kind of goes, actually, this is miserable.

895
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:40.619
I want out of here.

896
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.920
Not, oh, I'm in love with this woman I met a few minutes ago

897
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.360
because that's stupid.

898
00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:50.639
And I'm really pleased that they push away from the idea of

899
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.980
Geordie and what's this woman's name?

900
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:53.880
Hannah.

901
00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:56.280
There's no hint of a romance between those two.

902
00:41:56.340 --> 00:41:59.159
And I'm really pleased about that because I could have very easily

903
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.920
have had 2 dual romances and I think that could have been as

904
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.699
terrible as each other.

905
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.280
You see, I think that this scene works.

906
00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:08.519
I think this scene works not because of the dialogue, but because

907
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:09.719
of her enthusiasm.

908
00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:11.940
Look at her come to life in this scene.

909
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.500
She's so excited.

910
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.139
And Geordie's kind of enjoying seeing that.

911
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.280
So I don't think that that, that scene is about the technobabble

912
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:20.579
at all.

913
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.500
I think it's about how it's being played.

914
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.619
But you know, I just don't care about the society.

915
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.179
So I don't care about the outcome.

916
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:28.320
So I don't care.

917
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:29.400
Yeah, that's fair enough.

918
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:31.500
Yeah, but I love her.

919
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.280
And I'm just kind of, I think she's a beautiful woman probably.

920
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:39.360
So I'm kind of, I'm on her side.

921
00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:41.519
Like I think she's charming.

922
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.300
Patrick Stewart's really founded it in this week, isn't he?

923
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.340
in the ready room, on the bridge.

924
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.659
Oh, no, because he gets that scene with Deanna in the lift, which

925
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.440
is coming up.

926
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:59.280
Yeah, like, like now, I mean, I can't, obviously, I'm listening to

927
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.239
this about the dialogue.

928
00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:02.639
This could be any next generation episode.

929
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:04.380
Yeah, but that's the point, isn't it?

930
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:05.820
Like we tune in for those scenes.

931
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.300
Like we, I love seeing them do space things, you know, like that's

932
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:11.340
part of why we're watching Star Trek.

933
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:12.239
That's what it's for.

934
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:15.539
I don't know if I like the procedural nature of it.

935
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.960
So maybe that's my issue with TNG.

936
00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:20.460
Because I don't really get out with DS9.

937
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.380
I think each DS9 episode is fairly unique.

938
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.139
But the early ones can be a bit like that.

939
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.099
And like, you think about how strange new worlds works, where it

940
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:33.780
is just space people doing space things and solving space problems

941
00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.840
but it manages to be more charming and interesting because they

942
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.820
crack a joke from time to time.

943
00:43:38.820 --> 00:43:42.719
And, you know, they're generally much more kind of, like, they're

944
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:47.039
not space people from the 24th century. personality about them

945
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:47.460
don't they?

946
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:48.059
Yeah, yeah.

947
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.599
You know, it's the way he's staring at that screen there and those

948
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.480
2 people just came into shot and sat down behind him and started

949
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:54.900
chatting.

950
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.000
Still an office, Aaron.

951
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:01.440
Ahead of the colony.

952
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:04.619
We're really trying to suggest this is a thriving community of 5

953
00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:05.099
people.

954
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.900
See, this is her response to having to beam down and it's

955
00:44:09.900 --> 00:44:12.900
overplayed, obviously, but that's what plays us out to the next ad

956
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:13.559
break.

957
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:17.519
It's like, 0 shit, now I have to go home, you know, and she

958
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.380
doesn't want to go home because that was fun.

959
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:22.679
She was having fun in that last scene and I think she sells it.

960
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:26.099
I can't help but notice off the 50 people that were beamed down

961
00:44:26.099 --> 00:44:29.219
onto the planet, we've now just seen the same 5 people we saw

962
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:29.579
earlier.

963
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.239
Be Up again.

964
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:31.980
Are they the same 5 people?

965
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:32.940
They're exactly the same people.

966
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.019
They're all somewhere else than in, yeah, okay, fair enough.

967
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.739
They're just fixing the hot water in this part of the colony, I

968
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:41.519
think, or something like that.

969
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:45.599
He's not got a lot of charisma about him, this guy, is he?

970
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:46.320
Aaron.

971
00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:49.980
No, he's really very good in the enemy, I think.

972
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.539
I think Riker's looking at him like, man, this is no competition

973
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:55.980
to me. asshole.

974
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:56.699
Yeah that's right.

975
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:58.199
I think he's playing like that.

976
00:44:58.260 --> 00:44:59.880
I think that's just us reading it.

977
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:04.920
So this is the scene where, yeah, this is the scene where Hannah

978
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.340
it looks like it might be interesting because Hannah's sabotaging

979
00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:12.059
the place or not sabotaging it, but faking readings to make it

980
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.440
look like they have to leave.

981
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:15.420
And that's credible as well.

982
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.480
Like you can imagine that because we already had the, we've moved

983
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.619
the stellar fragment.

984
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:20.699
Oh, but that's not enough.

985
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.679
Now we have to reinforce the buildings.

986
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:24.719
Oh, that's not, you know, like these things can go wrong.

987
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.519
Like it could be true.

988
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:29.699
I think this is another reason why this reminded me of children at

989
00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:30.000
time.

990
00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:31.619
Exactly the same thing happens in that.

991
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.019
They've got to take off from the planet, and they're going to

992
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:38.460
create 2 defiance, and the DAX from the future on that planet

993
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:40.139
fakes the readings.

994
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.039
So they are, they definitely crash, so they're going to be

995
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.960
stranded there so the company will exist.

996
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:47.460
Yeah, yeah.

997
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.219
But it's got a bit of personality in it.

998
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.679
Yeah, yeah, it was Dax, right?

999
00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:56.760
But yeah, look, look at her.

1000
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:58.800
I think she's she's fantastic.

1001
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:03.960
So this is this is kind of a bit pathetic and...

1002
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.239
Have you noticed they're doing that fabulous thing where they both

1003
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:06.900
talk to the camera?

1004
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.900
We were both facing the same direction she's talking to the back

1005
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:10.320
of his head.

1006
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:13.559
Tell me, Nathan, have you had many conversations like that

1007
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:13.860
recently?

1008
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:15.179
No, none.

1009
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.860
Oh look, they're looking at each other now.

1010
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.139
She wears a bunch of outfits.

1011
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.840
That purple one she was wearing in the other previous scene was

1012
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:22.500
pretty great too.

1013
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.900
Well, they're all just sort of one colour, I've noticed.

1014
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.559
No, yeah, well, the purple one I thought was really good.

1015
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.179
Like, I like her.

1016
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:30.960
I don't know why.

1017
00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:31.980
It's a whole thing.

1018
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.320
Well, I said to you off mic.

1019
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:39.239
This for me is the ultimate planet of the daytime soap opera

1020
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:39.719
actors.

1021
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.119
Like they're all competent.

1022
00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:46.920
They're all good enough actors in the roles, but I just don't

1023
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.440
think anyone's injecting this with a bit of life.

1024
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:53.699
No, but that scene there is really properly good, isn't it?

1025
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:56.579
Like we're so perfect, how come you're so much better?

1026
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.559
Why did we not invent any of these things?

1027
00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:02.880
And the obvious reason is that it's not a genius.

1028
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:03.960
Living in this colony.

1029
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:05.940
Living in the dark ages.

1030
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:10.320
Until you came.

1032
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:13.440
All we could see was to the wall of our biosphere.

1033
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:15.599
I mean, this is top drama, this?

1034
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:20.699
I actually think the we're, it's like we're the parts of a 200

1035
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.800
year-old joke is a pretty good line.

1036
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.000
Yeah.

1037
00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:24.719
Yeah.

1038
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:27.119
And I also like too.

1039
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.840
Their attempt, because for a 2nd I thought maybe that's what we go

1040
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.019
with, because I hadn't seen, I thought, no, surely not.

1041
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.500
But there's just a moment of plausibility with the giver 6 months

1042
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:41.519
and where she says, no, like, let's just pull the plug.

1043
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:42.960
This is bullshit, we're going.

1044
00:47:43.019 --> 00:47:46.980
You know, like there's all these attempts to kind of shore it up.

1045
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.179
Um, And no one here has done anything wrong.

1046
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.260
I think it's good.

1047
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.579
His doctor bed with her one line of the episode. massive hair.

1048
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.300
A contractual appearance.

1049
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.059
But like, right?

1050
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.360
I think it's annoying that Picard rejects this.

1051
00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:10.619
I think it's annoying that the writers can't give him, like he's

1052
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:17.760
expressed his, um, feeling that this wouldn't be a place where he

1053
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.900
would want to live.

1054
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:23.880
It's clearly not a place where a bunch of people want to live once

1055
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.940
they're given any alternative at all.

1056
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.519
And then he says, oh, I think we might have, you know, destroyed

1057
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.420
them in a far more comprehensive way than the core stellar

1058
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:34.619
fragment is going to.

1059
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.760
And the problem with that is it's dumb because it was fun to have

1060
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.719
worked that out for yourself, you know, to have the threat be a

1061
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.860
stellar core fragment, but have the ad brakes be these 2

1062
00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:47.820
relationships.

1063
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:49.260
So it's boring.

1064
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.719
It's like, oh, it's okay, we were watching that.

1065
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.460
The next generation.

1066
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:56.099
No. pointing out what the...

1067
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:58.380
Star Trek generally, actually, to be fair.

1068
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.500
Do you know that sequence there where they were all around the

1069
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:05.099
table and Worf said, you know, oh, we saved them and Picard's

1070
00:49:05.099 --> 00:49:05.760
going, did we?

1071
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.739
Maybe we are great.

1072
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.460
But we've seen those things over and over again about so much more

1073
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:13.260
interesting topics.

1074
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:18.300
Yeah, but I mean, the dumb thing is that the masterpiece society

1075
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:19.079
was shit.

1076
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:20.099
It was terrible.

1077
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.760
Those people were isolated from everyone else.

1078
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:30.480
And, you know, their whole horizon was so small, so close.

1079
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:34.440
And like, I don't know why you would mourn the passing of that

1080
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:35.280
society.

1081
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:39.480
Those people have been liberated from something super terrible.

1082
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.019
We're watching Star Trek The Next Generation, where they'll warp

1083
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:45.420
off into another episode next week and we'll never think about

1084
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:45.659
them.

1085
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.400
And we'll never hear it from the game.

1086
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:52.380
I'm wondering if that might be another bit of a problem with this

1087
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.119
is that we're never going to hear from these people again.

1088
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:54.659
We never go.

1089
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.380
Plan it again.

1090
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.360
But that's Star Trek.

1091
00:49:57.420 --> 00:49:58.739
That's not what Star Trek's doing now.

1092
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:04.019
Well, no, no, but that's what this show is.

1093
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.440
It's on syndication. can be shown in any order.

1094
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:09.480
There's no serialisation.

1095
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:14.519
We just missed that scene between Deanna and Picard and I

1096
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.400
remembered it differently because I thought that Picard was cross

1097
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.539
with her, but she's super cross with herself in a way that I think

1098
00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:23.579
is a bit pathetic.

1099
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:29.460
I, well, she says I made a very bad error of judgement.

1100
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.800
Oh, God, a dialogue in that sex with.

1101
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:33.239
Yeah, yeah.

1102
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.800
Yeah.

1103
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:39.780
And it's it's just kind of, you know, like she's a grown-up.

1104
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.579
She can have sex with who she wants.

1105
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:46.559
And like maybe this was a bad idea, but like she didn't kill

1106
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.860
anyone and it's like, you know...

1107
00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:51.179
Do you remember in, I don't know, in the game.

1108
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:54.599
It starts with Riker on Reiser, you know, bonking that woman in

1109
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.699
the bed and putting the game on him.

1110
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.039
He didn't beam up to the ship afterwards and go, oh, by the way

1111
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.460
captain, you know, I had sex when I was down.

1112
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:03.420
Yeah.

1113
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:05.940
That was his holiday.

1114
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.599
Is it that she feels like she's kind of infected the genetic pool

1115
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.760
of the masterpiece.

1116
00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:16.380
Not the genetic pool, but what, you know, the thing that really is

1117
00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:21.239
the issue, which is that they're tied together not because they're

1118
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:26.099
genetically perfect, but because they've strictly limited any

1119
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:29.340
access to anything resembling the outside world.

1120
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:34.199
And so by having that relationship, I think, you know, Geordie did

1121
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.619
it just by having a kind relationship with Hannah and, you know

1122
00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:39.599
giving her an interesting space problem to solve.

1123
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:41.039
You know what I mean?

1124
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:42.360
Like she didn't do anything like that.

1125
00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:43.920
Cheersnate of the two.

1126
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:47.400
Interesting, but I think so interesting approach.

1127
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:48.659
But yeah.

1128
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.760
Well, I think that I think that that actor has a fair bit of charm

1129
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.460
in a way that this one doesn't really hear.

1130
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.179
Oh, Nathan, just look at their body language.

1131
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.559
Look at the dialogue.

1132
00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:02.940
These things are so flat.

1133
00:52:04.139 --> 00:52:06.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1134
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:07.739
And that's the other thing too.

1135
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.559
Like, I think it, if I had more sympathy with him, if it was a

1136
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.980
better performance than someone a little bit more believable, then

1137
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:21.420
him being left here to run this society.

1138
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.820
That's a miserable outcome for him.

1139
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:25.980
That's a very bad outcome.

1140
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:30.059
And he's just going to do it because he thinks it's the right

1141
00:52:30.059 --> 00:52:34.199
thing, you know, and he's sacrificing what he really wants.

1142
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.019
So they're talking about suppressing human rights now.

1143
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:42.239
Yeah, but and that's it too.

1144
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:45.719
I think that that's that's actually kind of approaching being an

1145
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.559
interesting thing because they say, well, you have to let them

1146
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:50.039
leave.

1147
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:54.840
You have to let them leave because it's it's their right to

1148
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:55.199
leave.

1149
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.840
And he says, what about our right to live in a society where they

1150
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:58.860
do what we say?

1151
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.239
Do you know what I mean?

1152
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:01.199
Like, fuck off.

1153
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:02.940
You don't have that right.

1154
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.239
Just like, but no one's saying that.

1155
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:07.440
Do you know what I mean?

1156
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:08.639
Like no one's saying that.

1157
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:12.539
Oh, listen, we are, which we are witnessing the end of this

1158
00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:13.019
existence.

1159
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.400
Yes, good.

1160
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:15.840
Good, good.

1161
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:16.800
It was dumb.

1162
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:19.079
You know, that's the thing.

1163
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:20.219
It was really dumb.

1164
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.219
And I think that, that, you know, there is something about Star

1165
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:27.360
Trek with a prime directive with the 90s where we are being kind

1166
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.920
of super relativistic and and taking account of people's cultures

1167
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:33.360
and not judging them and stuff.

1168
00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:37.500
But these are, this is just like a bunch of people, you know, like

1169
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:39.780
I don't see why we can't say what you're doing.

1170
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:43.380
We brought together the entire colony of 20 people here, now?

1171
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.119
Yeah, yeah.

1172
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.059
Have you noticed the lighting hasn't changed?

1173
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.679
no matter what time of the day it is.

1174
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.019
No.

1175
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.500
Yeah, and we've been talking about how good that outdoor lighting

1176
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:57.840
is sometimes, but really it's not helping here, is it?

1177
00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:01.079
I know what you said about Picard saying, you know, I won't change

1178
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:01.800
them away.

1179
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.360
If they want to go, I'll take them.

1180
00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:03.900
That's good.

1181
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:09.480
Even him just going, look, I'm not going to force them to go, you

1182
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.739
can't force them to stay.

1183
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.500
We'll all just talk about this and they can make a choice.

1184
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.480
Boring.

1185
00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:19.500
I'm sorry Yeah, because no one's standing up for anything.

1186
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.659
Like no one is standing up for anything.

1187
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:22.619
That's the issue.

1188
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.500
It's all bloodless, isn't it?

1189
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:26.579
It really is.

1190
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:27.659
It's very vanilla.

1191
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:34.619
Yeah, although again, like his Hannah's response for 6 months, to

1192
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:36.239
his suggestion, wait for 6 months.

1193
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:37.019
Why?

1194
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:38.699
Like, what are we, like, it's done.

1195
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.880
I think it's just because that is the hottest person on the

1196
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.119
planet.

1197
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:43.320
They don't want it to go. you know?

1198
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.900
Yeah, maybe that's it.

1199
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.199
She's the smartest and the hottest and she has the nicest range of

1200
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.340
day wear out of anyone on the colony as well.

1201
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.119
Like, that's, that, I'm not suggesting that she should become a

1202
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:57.900
regular on the show.

1203
00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:00.179
But that would have been an interesting thing to play with.

1204
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.360
A character that has been brought up to think that they are the

1205
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.079
best of the best.

1206
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.340
Existing around all the people on the Enterprise.

1207
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.760
Yeah, yeah, basically that's the 7 storyline, isn't it?

1208
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:15.300
Affection, realising you're now thinking. thinking that too.

1209
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.599
I'm not saying this woman is Jared Ryan, but...

1210
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.920
No, but I think she's I think she's the best thing about the

1211
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:23.280
episode.

1212
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:25.800
Oh, even that's bloodless.

1213
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:27.900
We are all in a sense, your family.

1214
00:55:28.980 --> 00:55:30.900
Just stop.

1215
00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:35.280
We're going to stop that sentiment by just sitting putting words

1216
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:40.980
in a sense. that's right We just make the declaration of you being

1217
00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:46.260
our family much less meaningful by pausing and putting that phrase

1218
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:46.800
in there.

1219
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.840
So what happens to the society next end, do you think?

1220
00:55:54.900 --> 00:55:57.360
Next Stellacore fragment. shame.

1221
00:55:57.420 --> 00:55:59.699
There should be there should be a line in lower deck, shouldn't

1222
00:55:59.699 --> 00:55:59.880
there?

1223
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:01.739
Yeah, that's right.

1224
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.119
Actually, this would be a fun one to come or take the piss out

1225
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.400
like, revisit the masterpiece society.

1226
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.320
Oh, dear.

1227
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.420
One last walk around the colony set.

1228
00:56:13.739 --> 00:56:16.260
It's just interminable.

1229
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.519
Call the episode.

1230
00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:19.260
Like they're leaving.

1231
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:19.980
What happening now?

1232
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:24.780
All he's doing is telling us things that anyone watching the

1233
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:27.059
episode attentively would already know.

1234
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.139
It's...

1235
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.460
And it is also an out thing, isn't it?

1236
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.559
Like you said, you've always got one spokesperson.

1237
00:56:31.619 --> 00:56:34.860
So it's just Hannah that's allowed an opinion in the episode.

1238
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.380
Everyone else sort of around it going, yeah, we agree.

1239
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.639
But and you know, the other thing that they're pointing out is a

1240
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:49.260
thing that's interesting but not very good drama, which is that no

1241
00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:50.400
one's actually to blame.

1242
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:53.820
No one's done anything very terrible except for the founders

1243
00:56:53.820 --> 00:56:54.000
really.

1244
00:56:54.059 --> 00:56:57.780
Um, the, no one's to blame.

1245
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.000
The people on the Enterprise were doing the right thing.

1246
00:57:00.059 --> 00:57:01.679
Aaron was doing the right thing.

1247
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:02.940
Martin was doing the right thing.

1248
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.260
Hannah was doing the right thing.

1249
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.699
It just failed.

1250
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.960
Yeah, that's right.

1251
00:57:07.019 --> 00:57:08.639
No one's done anything bad.

1252
00:57:08.699 --> 00:57:11.159
And that's why it's a little bit exciting to have Hannah fake the

1253
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:11.400
reading.

1254
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:13.019
I'm not fucking condemned for anything.

1255
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.900
Yeah, that's right.

1256
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.679
No one did anything wrong and yet it all just falls to pieces.

1257
00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:23.099
And that is that can be an interesting story, that idea.

1258
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.920
Look at that shot. where she's just sort of there.

1259
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:28.739
I don't quite, she's feeling bad.

1260
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:33.119
One last pontificating moment from Captain Picard before we add.

1261
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.119
And a stupid speech from Picard.

1262
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:37.500
Just a stupid speech.

1263
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.980
Like we cause more damage than the stellar core fragment.

1264
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:42.480
Well, it was going to kill everyone.

1265
00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:46.559
These people are off to do something fun and interesting with it

1266
00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:50.639
given him a reality check at this point it went, sir, I don't know

1267
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.039
if this society was working, you know. we did a good thing.

1268
00:57:53.099 --> 00:57:54.360
Yeah, yeah.

1269
00:57:54.420 --> 00:57:56.340
Why does no one say that?

1270
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.500
Like, why does no one say that?

1271
00:57:58.559 --> 00:57:59.760
Only Hannah says it.

1272
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:02.340
Yes, we've destroyed their way of life, but it was stupid and it

1273
00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:05.340
does matter whether their way of life is stupid or not.

1274
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.320
It's not irrelevant.

1275
00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:08.760
It actually matters.

1276
00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:12.480
It turns out bad things are bad and good things are good and

1277
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.460
there's a difference between them.

1278
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:19.079
You know, not everything is all just, you know, like, like, yes

1279
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:23.460
they've destroyed the society and the people who've left are

1280
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:27.719
better off and then the people who experience the society so

1281
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.960
disintegration and decide to leave will also be better off, I

1282
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:31.199
think.

1283
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:34.500
I can't imagine an episode of the next generation, you know, that

1284
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:37.739
would feel more like staring at wallpaper than that.

1285
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:44.639
It's just, well, yeah, it's, it's, there is a tangible idea at his

1286
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:45.059
heart.

1287
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:49.320
But like you said, there is nobody you can blame for things going

1288
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:49.860
wrong in this.

1289
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:53.760
There is nobody injecting the wrong. romance of any passion.

1290
00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:55.440
You know?

1291
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:59.159
So there's no real drama to any of it.

1292
00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:04.800
It's just 45 minutes of people talking and then a decision being

1293
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.260
made and then we're off to the next adventure.

1294
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.659
Yeah, I think maybe the episode is like the story of the episode

1295
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:16.619
where no one's really done anything sort of terribly wrong here

1296
00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:20.039
but it turns out that it's a disaster.

1297
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.500
Oh, could we have watched disaster?

1298
00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:24.659
It's so good.

1299
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.619
I think that I think that's what Star Trek looks like when it

1300
00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:28.980
fails.

1301
00:59:29.099 --> 00:59:31.860
Star Trek the next generation in particular looks like when it

1302
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:34.440
fails, but only in the Burman era.

1303
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:37.619
Like it fails outrageously in all sorts of stupid ways in series

1304
00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:38.519
one and two.

1305
00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:41.760
But this is a particular kind of late Star Trek failure, I think.

1306
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:45.059
It feels like a particularly tedious lecture.

1307
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.360
But a lecture that's not really making a solid point.

1308
00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:55.019
Well, it's like force of nature. worse, I think, than this.

1309
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.219
Yeah, but that's the same sort of thing where we've got a point to

1310
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:02.880
make, but it's basically going to be made by us all sort of

1311
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.480
standing around talking, you know, and I don't know.

1312
01:00:06.539 --> 01:00:09.960
Yeah, that is particularly bloodless, isn't it?

1313
01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:12.539
It's really lacking in any kind of drama.

1314
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.039
Do you know what?

1315
01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:19.079
For once, I am not sure much revision could have been made to make

1316
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.239
this episode work.

1317
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:22.980
I think you're right.

1318
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.360
It is a flawed.

1319
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:31.079
I, a flawed premise, a foregone conclusion, and yeah, I would have

1320
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:36.539
enjoyed it more if Aaron had been better.

1321
01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:40.019
And if Marina had been better, I think I would have enjoyed it

1322
01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:46.619
more if they had validated the decisions that Hannah made because

1323
01:00:46.619 --> 01:00:53.219
we are watching Star Trek and we like people adventuring through

1324
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.920
the galaxy solving exciting space problems.

1325
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:57.539
So we're on her side.

1326
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.440
I think we're having an exciting space problem, is it?

1327
01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:06.840
Well, but because she was selling it in that scene, I think, and

1328
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.099
when it looked like solving that space problem meant saving that

1329
01:01:11.099 --> 01:01:14.099
society, even though by that point in the episode, we knew that it

1330
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:16.019
wasn't going to mean that.

1331
01:01:16.019 --> 01:01:19.440
Because she was solving the space problem, because that's what

1332
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.860
we're tuning in for every week, we are inclined to sympathise with

1333
01:01:22.860 --> 01:01:23.099
her.

1334
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.460
And I don't know why the episode couldn't come down on her side

1335
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:27.659
more.

1336
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:32.579
Well, at least the crew, like that final speech coming up.

1337
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:32.940
Yeah.

1338
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.019
Yeah, yeah.

1339
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.079
Well, because he's basically saying, you know, they had something

1340
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:37.559
good here.

1341
01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:39.179
And we've ruined it.

1342
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:42.599
Yeah, yeah, but that's stupid, you know.

1343
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.079
Do you know what we miss by a hair's breath because Netflix has

1344
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:47.039
started the next episode.

1345
01:01:47.099 --> 01:01:48.179
Conundrum.

1346
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:51.659
Conundrum. boy, boy.

1347
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.360
I hope we get something really fun like that, you know in the

1348
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:54.599
future.

1349
01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:59.039
It's so high concept, isn't it?

1350
01:01:59.099 --> 01:01:59.880
Like, it is a thing.

1351
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:03.420
I mean, they do it literally in basically every genre program

1352
01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:07.320
where everyone in the audience knows that this person isn't the

1353
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.699
main character.

1354
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:10.260
I thinking Jonathan in Buffy.

1355
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.360
I'm thinking, uh, Eugene in random shoes in torchwood, uh, this

1356
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:15.840
guy.

1357
01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:16.860
Like, it is a thing.

1358
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.019
I think there's an X-Files, isn't there?

1359
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:20.940
Like, there is an X-Files.

1360
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

1361
01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:25.260
So every genre thing does that and that's kind of fun.

1362
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:26.639
Like, I think it's pretty fun.

1363
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:29.400
And what's on the other side?

1364
01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:31.920
I can't remember what's the one immediately before this.

1365
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:34.739
Before the Mosspiece Society.

1366
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.360
Yeah. violations.

1367
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:38.219
Yeah.

1368
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.980
I actually have some problems with that because I think in

1369
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:45.900
retrospect, the rape thing is... a bit on the note.

1370
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:47.579
I'll tell you what, there isn't that.

1371
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.920
There is a bit of drama and a bit of suspense.

1372
01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:53.460
And in conundrum, there's a bit of mystery and there's a bit of

1373
01:02:53.460 --> 01:02:53.760
humour.

1374
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:57.420
All of the things that are completely absent from the masterpiece

1375
01:02:57.420 --> 01:02:57.900
society.

1376
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:58.920
Exactly.

1377
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.039
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1378
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.619
work out what we're going to watch next time.

1379
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:15.420
The Masterpiece Society was my random choice.

1380
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:18.960
So it's your turn, Joe, to press the button.

1381
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:21.480
Tell us what series we're choosing from.

1382
01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:25.800
I only have one stipulation this time, and that is that the

1383
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:29.340
episode is in halfway competent after watching Wolf and the Fold

1384
01:03:29.340 --> 01:03:30.360
and the Masterpiece Society.

1385
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.920
I just want to be reminded of why I love Star Trek so much, you

1386
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:35.159
know?

1387
01:03:35.219 --> 01:03:37.559
I want to turn this into a hate podcast.

1388
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:38.219
That sounds like a plan.

1389
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:40.139
Okay, here we go.

1390
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:42.900
I've chosen every single series.

1391
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.659
I'm going to jump about a bit, just for one take.

1392
01:03:46.019 --> 01:03:52.079
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is by Inferno's light.

1393
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:54.719
Season five, episode 15.

1394
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.780
Oh, is that blood?

1395
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:58.980
It's a three-party car as well.

1396
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.559
It's in purgatory shadow and by Inferno's light.

1397
01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:02.099
Yeah.

1398
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.619
It's a big Garrick episode.

1399
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:08.519
It's the one where we find out about Bashir being the changeling.

1400
01:04:08.579 --> 01:04:11.880
It's the one where the Dominion ships come pouring. through the

1401
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:12.360
wormhole.

1402
01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:17.340
It's the one where it's the one where Ducat goes and sells out the

1403
01:04:17.340 --> 01:04:19.980
alpha quadrant to the Dominion, like there's a lot going on in

1404
01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:20.159
it.

1405
01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:22.260
Well, I don't know.

1406
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.059
Why are you pressing the button again?

1407
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:25.019
Why don't we just do that?

1408
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.300
That is what you like about stuff.

1409
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:28.920
That's everything I like about Star Trek.

1410
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:32.099
And it's the 1st episode as well.

1411
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:36.539
It's just like one really great character scene after another.

1412
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:40.559
There's a scene between Wharf and Garak in the runabout where

1413
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.219
Garak basically goes on for about 5 minutes convincing him why he

1414
01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:49.980
wants to join Starfleet. and Wharf eventually relents and goes

1415
01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:50.099
well.

1416
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:51.659
All right, I'll do it for you.

1417
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:55.019
And then he realises and he goes, you've got no intention of

1418
01:04:55.019 --> 01:04:56.280
joining Starfleet, do you?

1419
01:04:56.340 --> 01:04:59.280
And Garrett goes, no, but lying is a skill like any other.

1420
01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:01.800
And if you want it, maintain to a level of excellence.

1421
01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:03.659
You have to practice constantly.

1422
01:05:04.380 --> 01:05:06.300
I'll just do it.

1423
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:07.860
That's a great 2 part out.

1424
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.599
Yeah, I think let's do it.

1425
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:10.679
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1426
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:16.260
And it has that great sort of mid-season deep space 92 parter

1427
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:20.280
where it ups the stakes where the scale is really huge.

1428
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.699
I think that sort of thing is exactly what I want from Star Trek

1429
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:25.260
as well. will do it.

1430
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.059
It'll be very refreshing.

1431
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:27.539
Exactly.

1432
01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:38.099
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1433
01:05:38.099 --> 01:05:39.179
and Nathan Bottomley.

1434
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.599
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1435
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.719
links to our Twitter, mastered on Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1436
01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:49.619
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

1437
01:05:49.619 --> 01:05:50.880
by Cameron Lamb.

1438
01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:54.960
This episode was recorded on the 16th of May 2023 and released on

1439
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:56.219
the 26th of May.

1440
01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:00.539
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9 in Purgatory

1441
01:06:00.539 --> 01:06:03.000
Shadow by Infonos Line.

1442
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.119
Oh, that's a great choice.

1443
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:22.980
That is a great choice.

1444
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:24.780
We're doing lots of two parties.

1445
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.619
We actually do, like, we've done quite a few two-parters over the

1446
01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:29.880
time, which I think is...

1447
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:30.840
There's still loads to do, though.

1448
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:39.360
Like all the sort of... redemption and rest of both worlds.

1449
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:40.079
Yeah, yeah.

1450
01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:41.099
What have we done?

1451
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:42.119
We've done descent.

1452
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:45.000
That's really the only cliffhanger.

1453
01:06:45.059 --> 01:06:47.579
DeSanto's happy another two...

1454
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:48.300
No, not your fan.

1455
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:49.559
Oh God.

1456
01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:51.300
We did the killing game.

1457
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.039
Endgame?

1458
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:53.699
Yeah.

1459
01:06:53.699 --> 01:06:55.079
I'd love to do the year.

1460
01:06:55.139 --> 01:06:56.219
Yeah, we did end game, yeah.

1461
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:57.059
You'd love to do what?

1462
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.960
We did the 1st...

1463
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.539
I'd love to do a year of hell with Kirkwood Smith.

1464
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:04.679
I think it'd be really interesting.

1465
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:07.320
Um, the, a sec.

1466
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:08.219
I forgot to put it on.

1467
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.019
Do not disturb. doesn't matter.

1468
01:07:10.139 --> 01:07:12.659
The...

1469
01:07:12.659 --> 01:07:14.400
Yeah.

1470
01:07:14.460 --> 01:07:16.199
Yeah, anyway.

1471
01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:19.559
Oh, we did we did the 1st 2 episodes of series 7?

1472
01:07:19.619 --> 01:07:21.360
of Deep K sign.

1473
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:24.539
What, just not as well, haven't we done?

1474
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:29.519
Well, I haven't done any of the...

1475
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:31.500
Marquis, I want to 2 past tense.

1476
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:32.099
We haven't done.

1477
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:35.219
Um, Way the Warrior.

1478
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.000
Um, probable cause.

1479
01:07:39.059 --> 01:07:40.500
Is that a two-parter?

1480
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:41.820
Yeah, DS cast.

1481
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:42.300
Yeah.

1482
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.699
This is a great Garrick one, this.

1483
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.480
And we have a really cover Garak sentence in the pale moonlight.

1484
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1485
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.280
This would be better.

1486
01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:58.199
And it feels like, sort of, Series 5 all coheres here.

1487
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:01.199
All the stuff are sort of running.

1488
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:02.400
All the character bits.

1489
01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:03.480
Yeah.

1490
01:08:03.539 --> 01:08:05.820
It all come.

1491
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.239
Yeah, cool.

1492
01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:07.500
Yeah, that'd be a good day.