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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back on Star Trek, the original series, and it is series

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two, episode 15, I want to say.

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It's Wolf in the Fold, the beloved Star Trek classic Wolf in the

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Fold.

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You just, of course.

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Yeah, I thought this was really quite extraordinarily terrible

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actually. like a barely competent piece of television.

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But I don't think that's a universally held view.

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I do think that this is beloved by some people.

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So if any of those people are listening.

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Sorry.

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I don't think I'm going to be very kind to this.

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I always thought perhaps giving James Duhan an episode of his own

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of Star Trek might be a mistake.

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And I'm pleased to say that my theory is absolutely spot on. is

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correct.

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Yeah, although he, but like, even though it's about him and he's

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the subject of it, he doesn't have as big a role as, you know, Kirk

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and McCoy, and I think there are some great Kirk moments here, and

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I think that this is, you know, they're still fun to be had from

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time to time here, but I do think like it's a bad basic premise

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and it's executed really badly as well.

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Like they don't find anything to do with it, I think.

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I think James Duhan is very good at being funny and charming. which

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is why I think he's at his best in the movies where he just gets

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nice. like, you know, I know this ship like the back of my hand

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bonk, you know, and things like that.

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That's what he does really well, but sort of putting him in at the

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centre of a murder mystery where suddenly Scotty's got all this

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irrational hatred of women and it's the one that's discovered

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holding the bloody knife and suddenly he's got to emote a lot.

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It doesn't really work, does it?

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It's not really good.

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And he does seem to stab a lot of people.

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Like I'm surprised that again.

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Scotty, stop stabbing the people.

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Um, it's, like, it's kind of... ridiculous.

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If it's not you.

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It's a fucking amazing coincidence that every time the lights come

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on you're holding a bloody knife.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, we've often had fun with original Trek, and I think

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we've been really lucky in the ones that we've got.

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But, you know, this is still the 60s.

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And although there is a lot of brilliant television being made in

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the 60s, there's also kind of bad television being made too.

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And this, some good ideas come up here, just sort of by the bye

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and we might mention them as they come along, but this is them

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kind of working out what they're doing or trying to work out what

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they're doing and not really succeeding, I think.

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And there's a heap here that just never, ever gets attempted

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again.

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What definitely is worth talking about, especially some of the

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technology that's in play in this.

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I mean, I think this can be considered enough of a success that

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you know, skip forward to TNG, lonely among us, we have another

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malevolent, gaseous entity entering the computer and causing a lot

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of trouble.

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I mean, that's not exactly a classic.

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I did like that idea.

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I like the idea of this weird evil force taking over the shit, but

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they just don't do anything with it.

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No, that's the problem, isn't it?

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And the way that they defeated is, doesn't it, in a psychotic

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way?

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and that's that's all you get.

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I think there was a novelisation of it that made it do more

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interesting things over the screen, but all they can do is that

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sort of gas shape thing and then poor old, is it John Feidler or

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John Fiedler?

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I don't know how to say his name.

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But he's a definite that guy and he's perhaps one of the biggest

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guests does that we've ever had, a man who has been on literally

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everything on television for over 50 years and he's kind of doing

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the sort of scary voices, but I imagine that most of the American

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audience were reminded of his breakout role as piglet in Winnie

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the Pooh.

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And so Piglet is menacing the ship.

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Unforgettable.

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I mean, I thought he was pretty wooden in this and the obvious 1st

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suspects when he's so appalled at all the murders that are going

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on.

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Agatha Christie.

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This is not.

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No.

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And for me, though, I'm a huge fan of bewitched.

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I absolutely adore bewitched, and one of the fun things about

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bewitched is that it has a sort of rotating cast of guest

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characters.

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So, you know, the person who runs the business that Darren's

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advertising company has an account for, you know, is the same

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person week to week quite often as is his wife.

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And so this guy is in bewitched 6 times as 6 completely different

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people, which I just think is hilarious and kind of adorable.

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I was reading in Captain's Logs.

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For some reason, I skipped straight to the 3rd season because I

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wanted to see what all the interviewees had to say about, you know

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this much derided season of Star Trek.

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And Walter Kadig is there saying, you know, Fred Freiburger, you

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know, destroyed the integrity of Star Trek by daring to bring in

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you know, guest actors from the time, you know, popular guest

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actors.

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But actually, that's already happening here.

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And it was certainly, we said in progress, don't we?

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It would go on to become a bit of a staple, 90s trek and beyond.

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And something that works well, I think, you know, very

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frequently.

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I mean, what's the name of the politician that just turned up in

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discovery?

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Yeah, so Stacy Abram.

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Talk about a bit of stunt casting.

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President.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I mean, it's a thing that happens.

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We did an episode of Discovery, called the examples, which was

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based very strongly on the performance of a guest actor, the guy

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who played Felix was, you know, a huge deal.

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And so it is a thing that happens all the time.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

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And I think getting a big name to star in your show works over and

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over again.

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And we mentioned heaps of examples of it a couple of weeks ago.

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I think, generally speaking, when Star Trek does do this, they

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give those actors, you know, at Gene Simmons, they give them a

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good role to play.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but let's consider this sort of baby steps.

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Yeah, it's all right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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I have to say, as your messages came in, as you were watching this

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episode, I was having a delightful time reading those, and you

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came at me straight away with the synopsis, which is on Netflix

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that just says, Scotty is accused of murdering a belly dancer.

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I think you just hurt.

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Oh, God.

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You can't say it.

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It's not doing what it says on a tin, can you?

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It absolutely is doing that.

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Okay, look.

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All right, let's do it.

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I think, well, let's see the belly dancer in action.

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You know, I think I think you're right.

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We have been very lucky with the, you know, doomsday machine

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travel with Tribbles.

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A long time, you know?

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We've had some absolute bangers.

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I kind of was holding out for not an absolute sort of clanger like

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Spock's brain, you know, universally reviled.

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There's something that's sort of reasonably competently made, but

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just a bit terrible.

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And that's this.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that it is reasonably competently made, but

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we'll get there.

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We're talking about Scorpion again.

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All right.

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Right, yeah.

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Okay, I'm going to count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So you'll notice this belly dancer did her own choreography

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according to memory alpha, which, you know, woo hoo.

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And belly dances are a bit of a thing, you might remember the man

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with the golden gun, Roger Moore.

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There are 2 belly dancers, I think, in from Russia with love or

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like on one of the early Connery films as well.

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One of the title sequences, like a load of belly dancers.

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Yeah, so it's definitely a thing.

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It's definitely in the zeitgeist.

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And so this is the sexy planet.

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This is pre-riser, and it's called Argelius, I think.

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I don't think they drop it, you know, because I seem to recall an

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episode of Discovery with a load of Orion girls doing belly

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dancing.

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But I think there was a guy there as well.

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Okay, so yeah.

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So one of the hilarious things that you can spot here is that she

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has a little flower covering up her belly button because you

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couldn't show a belly button on TV during this period.

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And that's the reason, because you never see Jeannie's belly

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button as well, you know, I Dream of Jeannie.

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So it's literally TV censorship that thought showing her actual

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belly button would be too sexy.

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Look at her though.

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Yeah, that's it.

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That's the other thing too, is there are things here that we just

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sort of think it's ridiculous that this is, you know, even a

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thing.

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But then there are things here where we think, how the hell is

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this allowed on television?

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Like, what are they doing?

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So the backstory appears to be that there's been an explosion.

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Scotty's been thrown against a bulkhead, but because a woman was

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responsible for the explosion.

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He has an irrational hatred of women now.

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We're worried that he might develop an irrational hatred for

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women.

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And so we bring him down to this plan.

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Are they on this planet?

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Well, to pick a woman for him to have sex with so that he starts

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liking women again or something.

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Like, it's something super dumb.

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And he's behaving like an absolute moron here.

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Like, look at him.

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He's like, he's like he's had a blow.

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Well, he has had a blow to the head.

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That's the backstory.

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But like he's just sort of staring at this woman like he's never

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seen a woman before.

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It's super, super embarrassing.

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Bad lesson.

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All of how this is.

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It's a load of men lounging around and then women sort of catering

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to their every whim and stroking them and, you know.

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We complained about justice, you know.

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But at least there was a bit of the sort of gender equality going

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on in that lack of sexiness.

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That's right.

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It was, however, all white people.

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Oh, yeah, sorry, yeah.

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So we ticked we were doing a race.

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And then we crossed another.

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Oh, this fella, isn't he?

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Ugly.

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Oh, yeah, he's gone now.

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Yeah, so there's 2 people and they're going to appear later and

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they're really desperately, terrible thing about it is, one is her

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father and the other one is her boyfriend and or her ex

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boyfriend.

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And none of them, no one is particularly distressed at the fact

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that she's been killed.

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And none of the murders have any weight at all.

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So we kill this woman here, then we kill a crew member of the

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Enterprise, and then we kill the wife of the prefect of the city

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or whatever.

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And no one really seems to mind.

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Someone is entirely, is Scotty, you'll see.

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Yeah, not, oh, dear, these people have dies.

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Yeah, which is very open.

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When he comes back in relics and he says, oh, I, this reminds me

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of my hotel room on Argelius, I sure had a wee bit of trouble back

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then.

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You know, it's just like a wee bit of trouble.

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You murdered 3 people.

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You should have said, you know, the one of 2 times when I got a

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bit of focus back in the original series.

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I had a bit of...

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You know the line he just had there about, if someone came at me

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right and said, oh, there's nothing like having a stroll down a

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mysterious, foggy night.

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I'll be like, you know, you're right. on your own.

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Okay?

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I actually we missed the kirk.

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Kirk has a funny line there about his job never being done or

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something.

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You know, he's he's clearly like pimping for Scotty or whatever.

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And that's Shadow. wonderful.

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Have you know it?

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Yeah, yeah, it's all carpet.

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Oh, I did like this because even though this is in the studio

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they've sort of gone to town with a dry ice here.

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Yeah, it's a nice foggy location.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they're going off to pick up chicks, are they, somewhere else

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but they hear this sudden scream.

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Here we go.

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What is it with these sex planets?

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Yeah, yeah.

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They go off to...

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Turns out the wolf was right.

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They're awful.

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Yeah, he had his famous line there, didn't he?

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She's dead, Jim.

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She's dead, Jim.

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And he does get to say she's dead, Jim, again a little bit later

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and possibly a 3rd time, but I didn't, I may have lost count.

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But they do get some top quality.

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They get points for the acting. da, da, da, da, da, da.

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So ridiculously melodramatic.

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All stock.

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There's no music specially written for this episode which is a bit

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tragic.

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And there is that sort of ooh, sort of ethereal music when we have

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the seance, which I thought was actually pretty good. started

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doing the stings on this, you know?

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What's even better if those listening will know exactly what we're

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talking about.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think maybe they looked across the season and went, well

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what's the series?

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episode where we just don't want to do any fresh music?

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Oh, wolf in the film?

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That'll do.

300
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Yeah, we won't put any more effort into that one.

301
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Is this a particularly disliked episode?

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I think this is a sort of forgotten episode where we got this on

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the randomiser.

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You and I did not have a problem what this was about.

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And I genuinely think I had never seen it before.

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Like I had no memories.

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Like often I remember visuals and stuff from original trek, but I

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don't think I ever saw this at all.

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The one sort of scintilla of knowledge that I had about this was

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Jack the Ripper.

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I remember that.

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I think I've read the Jammer review, which I'm sure we'll talk

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about at some point.

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Three stars jam up, really.

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He may want to go back and revisit that.

316
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That's a baffling assessment of the quality of this program.

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Have you seen the new CGI effects here or you've got the I am.

318
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Yeah, no, I'm watching the new effects. look really good.

319
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So here is Mr. Hengist, and he is our guy from Bewitched.

320
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Actually, to remember, it's clearly our murderer.

321
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Yeah, yeah. he's in it lots of times When you said bewitched

322
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earlier, you know that sort of cheeky humour that they've got, that

323
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sort of winking at buildings all the time.

324
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Like the best of TOS does that as well.

325
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I don't think there's not parallels there with how they play their

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shows.

327
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No, but the thing about bewitched is that it's really feminist

328
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like really properly feminist and it's about feminism as well.

329
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And so... a woman called.

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Endora.

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Oh, gosh, she's won the voice.

332
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Oh, superb.

333
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It's one of my favourite shows and I've got I could go on about it

334
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at great length, but it is really kind of progressive and it is

335
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about, you know, her decision.

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She belongs to a sort of very modern, progressive European style

337
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family and she chooses to give it up to become a, you know

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housewife and it's all about that decision.

339
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That's not a show that's not at all in progressive in any way

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shape or form.

341
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No.

342
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Well, you see, so the basic idea is that Jack the Ripper is an

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alien or, you know, uh, has an alien entity that inspires uh

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people to murder women.

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And.

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Well, he came in contact with Jackson.

347
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So I don't think it started a shot, did it?

348
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It's somewhere along his timeline of jumping from person to

349
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person.

350
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He influenced Jack the Ripper.

351
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Yeah.

352
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Yeah.

353
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And so part of the problem with that is, of course, that men

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murdering women is a thing that is distressingly common.

355
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And, you know, they behave as if it's like a super rare thing.

356
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But the other thing is they kind of think that it would be

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entertaining to have Jake the Repast, take over the ship.

358
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And I just don't think it is because like there's even that quote

359
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did you said it where block, I can't remember the name of the

360
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writer of the episode.

361
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But he was tasked with riding a Jack the Ripper in space thing

362
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where it wasn't Jack going through the fog with a knife.

363
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But essentially that's the only interesting thing about Jack the

364
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Reaper is that kind of iconography of the, you know, the dark

365
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Victorian streets of fog and stuff.

366
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Yeah.

367
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And they're leading inside.

368
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In the 1st half of this, they're leaning in, so yeah, who's the

369
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one?

370
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It's a murder mystery, isn't it?

371
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Yeah, but it's a kind of shitty murder mystery, isn't it?

372
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Because there's no actual suspects.

373
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Well, it should have been. is that this weird gaseous, this

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malevolent entity. inspired by Jack the Ripper is going into

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Scotty.

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And then maybe that should have been the episode.

377
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Well, then do we prosecute Scotty or do we prosecute the

378
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malevolent, you know, but that's a bit more interesting in what we

379
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get?

380
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Yeah, yeah, I think like I just don't know what's so great about

381
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Jack the Ripper as an idea here.

382
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I think they're leaning into sort of visually as well.

383
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Like, or wouldn't it be great to have a, you know, foggy streets

384
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and yeah.

385
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Yeah.

386
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And I have to say that I don't hate this bit either.

387
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So there is an interaction with this society and they are a

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society that's given over to pleasure and we get that thing where

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jealousy is forbidden because it causes violence.

390
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And particularly in a world where everyone's fucking everyone else

391
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you know.

392
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But also like she, so this is Sibo, who is the wife of the sort of

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prefect of the city or whatever, and she's an ancient priestess.

394
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And when they contact the ship, Spock says, yes, you know, it's a

395
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thing.

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This is a real thing that they're able to do.

397
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And, you know, like I wouldn't want to hang a man on just that

398
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evidence, but it's real and interesting and something's

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happening.

400
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I thought that was all really quite good.

401
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I miss all of this when I was watching it the 1st time.

402
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Maybe I was looking at my phone a lot more than I thought, you

403
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know.

404
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I think I looked up and thought, oh, the set dressing is quite

405
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nice.

406
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Have you not?

407
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But it doesn't go anywhere.

408
00:19:01.619 --> 00:19:02.640
That's the problem.

409
00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:03.779
It just doesn't go anywhere.

410
00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.779
I think there's sort of germs of ideas all over the place.

411
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None of them are really, are they?

412
00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:13.440
No, because the only reason that she's there, like she doesn't

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learn.

414
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.539
Oh, she does actually, that's not true.

415
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She actually does learn that it is like more than just a person

416
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that it is an age old murderous entity.

417
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So she actually successfully discovers that.

418
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But she's also killed.

419
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And in fact, that's perhaps the most interesting delivery of

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exposition about the premise that we get.

421
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Certainly not the 15 minute sequence where they chat to the

422
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computer, which is just unforgivably boring and linear, like

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an...

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But I think there absolutely is a way of doing a 15 minute

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sequence that could be really interesting.

426
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That's just having a robotic voice intoning droning on for 10

427
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minutes.

428
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That's not how you do it.

429
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So we were thinking of 2 episodes before in 90s trek that have

430
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something similar and those are a matter, is it a matter of

431
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perspective?

432
00:20:10.859 --> 00:20:12.779
A matter of perspective?

433
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That's the one where Riker's accused of murder.

434
00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:21.720
Yeah, so he's accused of murdering a man, because he's having an

435
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affair with the wife, and it gets played out in the holodeck and

436
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they've got the holodeck so they can reenact the thing.

437
00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:31.680
See, I just thought this was so bad.

438
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This poor woman comes down.

439
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This is Lieutenant Tracy just to be killed.

440
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Just to be murdered.

441
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She's Lieutenant Tracy.

442
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And she is able to operate the she has 2 female names like Captain

443
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Janeway.

444
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And she, she's Karen.

445
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So Karen operates the psycho tricorder.

446
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And the psychotricorder can read someone's memory for the last 24

447
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hours and it's a piece of kit that will never get mentioned again

448
00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.559
because it would actually ruin a whole heap of episodes and make

449
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them impossible. 900 episodes that follow this.

450
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.859
There are many occasions where the psycho tricorder would be

451
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instrumental.

452
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It would have been very useful.

453
00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:13.740
Yeah.

454
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Maybe someone's written a book, I reckon, that they were banned

455
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for some reason.

456
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.619
No, no, Lieutenant Tracy was the only one who knew how to work it

457
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and then she gets stabbed.

458
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So that's why no one else uses it again.

459
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.460
Yeah, that's what that's what I'm going with.

460
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Well, and it's very unfortunate that she's about to be brutally

461
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murdered.

462
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.000
Yeah, that's right.

463
00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:36.779
That's right.

464
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It's so stupid.

465
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And you even know when she comes down, you know, that she's coming

466
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here to be murdered and she'll get 3 lines and then be stabbed.

467
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Look at this fella that they've hired in for this role.

468
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He's got the sort of demonic beard, doesn't he?

469
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I think he's really striking looking.

470
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He's got really bad kind of bald hair.

471
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But I think he's actually quite striking and, you know, like he

472
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I'm buying him as the sleazy prefect of a city based on pleasure.

473
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They were trying too hard to point the finger at anyone but the

474
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person who turned out to be the murderer, but it was so obvious he

475
00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:16.140
was the murderer, you know?

476
00:22:16.259 --> 00:22:17.640
So here we are.

477
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Here's our 2nd murder.

478
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There is Tracy, who has been stabbed, but doesn't seem to be

479
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bleeding, and he's she's dead, Jim, for the 2nd time, and it's...

480
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.180
Okay, so is this malevolent entity is going into that fella and

481
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he's the one doing the murders, yeah?

482
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.079
So, or is it Scotty doing?

483
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Where is he?

484
00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:40.140
No, I don't think Scotty's doing that.

485
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.220
Why is he not murdering Scotty?

486
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Because women are more scared of being murdered than men.

487
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And so, yeah.

488
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And so it enjoys murdering women more than it would enjoy

489
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murdering men.

490
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.380
I'm pretty scared of being mad. you know.

491
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I am as well.

492
00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:02.160
Well, not normally, not generally, but it'd be bad, let's just

493
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say.

494
00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:07.019
But it is, it is some, like that's literally said in dialogue

495
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later in that interminable scene up on the ship.

496
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:14.039
Remember, this is coming from the same pool of writers that gave

497
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us, you know, the finale where women are not allowed to be in

498
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positions of authority on a starship.

499
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:21.059
Yeah.

500
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Yeah.

501
00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:25.680
And there are hints that it's not always like that or it didn't

502
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have to be like that, but this is pretty miserable as far as

503
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sexism goes.

504
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.900
And it isn't. think about what we watched last week.

505
00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:36.119
Scorpion.

506
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:40.559
And how we were celebrating Jerry Ryan and Kate Mulgrew in these

507
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:41.460
incredible roles.

508
00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:42.900
Yeah.

509
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.279
Things things change.

510
00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:46.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did.

511
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:46.980
They did.

512
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.339
And this, but original Star Trek isn't always like this.

513
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.380
There are competent women in it.

514
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.039
But this is a miserable and they're not giving enough.

515
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.660
No, no, sure.

516
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:58.259
Yeah.

517
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:58.920
Yeah.

518
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:04.980
So the one thing that I like is, and it's going to come in because

519
00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:09.299
the captain's going to contact Spock, who's on the bridge, and

520
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:15.420
he's going to explain to Spock that we need to follow the laws of

521
00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:18.059
this society while we're here.

522
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.799
While we're here, we're bound by their laws and we have to, we can

523
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:23.400
help them.

524
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:27.180
You know, if, and if they agree to it, that's fine, but we can't

525
00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:29.039
override their justice system.

526
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.839
And there's no question.

527
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:33.000
That sounds very similar to something you and I watched together

528
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:33.599
in person.

529
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:36.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

530
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:38.640
But I think that's good.

531
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.660
That's something that Star Trek does run with, and I think it's

532
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:45.539
being established here because Bach doesn't seem to have any idea

533
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:46.680
that those are the rules.

534
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:51.359
So should they ultimately decide that Scotty is guilty, then they

535
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.859
would have to leave him behind to be punished.

536
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:53.640
Yeah.

537
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.579
But they don't go down that route, do they?

538
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.400
And maybe after watching Justice, we should be glad that they

539
00:24:59.400 --> 00:24:59.700
didn't.

540
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:04.440
Yeah, I mean, the thing with justice is the problem that we have

541
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:11.579
is not adhering to a rule, like a rule that comes from an alien

542
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:12.059
society.

543
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.960
It's adhering to an absurd unjust rule.

544
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:18.119
Like they object to the rule here.

545
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.259
You know, he's had a, you know, like he's done some stabbing.

546
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.640
I mean, do you know what I mean?

547
00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:27.000
Like, like, it's, it wouldn't be that implausible for them to

548
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.960
decide actually he did stab those women and uh, we're going to

549
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.500
actually they, the rule is here on this planet, death by slow

550
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.859
torture, which... be great.

551
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.440
That's how I've always wanted to go, you know.

552
00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.180
So this guy, this guy.

553
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:51.660
They just bring in these 2 randomers and say, right, well, yeah, so

554
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:53.940
these 2 men were hanging about, you know, where your lieutenant

555
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:54.599
was out there.

556
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:58.740
So we actually saw him storm off in scene one.

557
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:02.519
We saw the guy with the moustache, the guy with the moustache

558
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:03.480
who's her father.

559
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.960
We saw him with the band.

560
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.180
This guy who's really striking looking.

561
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.299
He got beautiful blue eyes, but seems to have had a horrific sort

562
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:14.339
of broken nose at some point.

563
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:18.119
But he's striking looking and I think he's okay.

564
00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:20.220
He's about how they nice it.

565
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.500
All the ice pop in original...

566
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.640
What it is.

567
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:24.900
Well, so does his.

568
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.220
You know the father?

569
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.019
He looks like he stepped straight out of Aladdin.

570
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.220
I mean, what have they put him in?

571
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.180
Well, and they're using all this like it's Turkish or do you know

572
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:33.539
what I mean?

573
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.559
Like slightly Islamic kind of architecture and stuff?

574
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.480
It's sort of shorthanded.

575
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:40.980
Exotic, isn't it?

576
00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:42.000
Yeah, I think so.

577
00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:42.480
Yeah.

578
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.319
Yeah, yeah.

579
00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:45.779
And let's not pretend night is trek is above that as well.

580
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.400
No, no.

581
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah, that's right.

582
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:52.859
So, like this, I think this is a reasonable conversation.

583
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.319
I think it's actually, you know, not bad.

584
00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:01.859
And I think that, that, um, the way that he interacts here, you

585
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:04.440
know, that he agrees to do this weird seance.

586
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.539
Oh, I love this scene.

587
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:07.019
Yeah.

588
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.440
When I just like how this scene was executed, how when the camera

589
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.480
starts moving around, the lights start going down.

590
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:16.019
Then it goes pitch black and then you hear the scream and that was

591
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:18.059
sort of the scariest bit in the whole episode, I thought.

592
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.200
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:23.160
And I can imagine you know, someone remembering that and finding

594
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:24.000
it really striking.

595
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:30.660
It's something I've heard, um, pointed at both 60s, Doctor Who, and

596
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:36.000
60s Star Trek by you is that it does weird really well. in a way

597
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.680
they're sort of abandoned a bit later on.

598
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:39.960
Yeah, this scene was weird.

599
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.119
I couldn't really figure out what was happening.

600
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:44.400
No, but I mean, I kind of like this.

601
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:47.819
See, this is Spock saying that it's an interesting phenomenon.

602
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.019
Uh, you know, uh, it's something real is happening here in this

603
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:54.960
empathic technique thing. not just mumbo jumbo.

604
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:55.799
It's not just made up.

605
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:59.039
And this is where Scotty says, oh, this is where Spock says, let's

606
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.039
beam Scotty up and he's told that that can't happen.

607
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.440
And, you know, later on, we know that those are the rules, but

608
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:12.420
this is those rules being established in Star Trek, I think, don't

609
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:12.599
you?

610
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.619
It sounds like it.

611
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.839
Is this the 1st time this has happened then?

612
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.680
Well, they've been bound. by another side. doesn't seem to Yeah

613
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.660
Spock doesn't seem to know anything about that.

614
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.519
Look at that shot from above.

615
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:27.420
Yeah, it looks really good, doesn't it?

616
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.640
Yeah, look at the shadows on the floor.

617
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:31.140
The light is terrific too.

618
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.099
She's great too.

619
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.119
I really like this one.

620
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:38.579
She will, of course, spoilers get stabbed.

621
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:40.980
She's a woman in this episode.

622
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.920
She's a woman who talks in this episode, so...

623
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.319
You've got to be punished, right?

624
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.400
If you've got the dialogue.

625
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.500
You're going to be a question.

626
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.000
Dreadful.

627
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:52.259
Oh, yeah.

628
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:55.740
Anger feeds the flame.

629
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.819
And sort of the weird priestess thing and stuff is something that

630
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:00.839
Star Trek does.

631
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:04.680
But I just love Spock, who is so rational, saying, yes, this is a

632
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:04.980
thing.

633
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.779
It's real. you know, um, But there was, there was a, there was a

634
00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:12.180
lot of sort of weird camera movement here and things like this, you

635
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:12.420
know.

636
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.359
We weren't getting that sort of imagination in Scorpion.

637
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:16.920
No.

638
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:21.779
I like hatred of everything that lives, hatred of women, power

639
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:22.799
actually say that.

640
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.720
An ancient terror, Nathan.

641
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:25.500
Yeah.

642
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.079
Well, all of that's super interesting.

643
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:28.980
Do you know what I mean?

644
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.500
And it does exonerate Scotty, doesn't it?

645
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.259
Because he's not an ancient terror as far as we can tell.

646
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.819
Look at that lighting now.

647
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:36.539
That's so movie.

648
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.119
And then the lights just cut and you hear the scream.

649
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.359
And there she is and he's holding her and she's dead.

650
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:45.960
I am not. not entirely sure how that fella, you know, the murderer

651
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.660
managed to get around that table, kill her, and get back to his

652
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:51.059
seat that quickly. very small.

653
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.339
And why has Scotty always got the knife?

654
00:29:56.460 --> 00:30:02.099
Yeah, he's just unlucky, it turns out. when the lights were out

655
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:02.940
someone handed it to me.

656
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:03.480
All right?

657
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:06.900
Yeah, but I'm expecting Kirk, look, he's standing there with his

658
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:07.619
hands on his hips.

659
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:08.220
I'm expecting.

660
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.079
We go Scotty, stop murdering people.

661
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:11.339
Stop stabbing people.

662
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.180
You're not doing your case any favour, Scotty, right?

663
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.279
We actually never find out why he doesn't remember the what

664
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.619
happened during the 1st 2 incidents either.

665
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:28.140
That's never established. whilst you sort of had some moments of

666
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.000
interest in the 1st sort of 20 minutes.

667
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:32.460
And do you think when we go onto the enterprise, that's when this

668
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:33.299
all falls apart?

669
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.799
Well, I still think the premise is basically misguided, but them

670
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.359
the very, very, long scene on the Enterprise is so wearing.

671
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.559
It's so bad.

672
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:47.759
If there was any pace for this, which there wasn't, it flattered

673
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:48.839
during that scene.

674
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.319
Yeah.

675
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:50.039
Yeah, yeah.

676
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.759
Well, you're sort of getting sort of the momentum's coming from

677
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.259
the murders. that's coming.

678
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.019
But then that just stops for a long exposition scene.

679
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.079
Yeah, so the murders are stupid.

680
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

681
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:05.279
Like, like, it's just a woman turns up, then she's stabbed and

682
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.019
Scotty has the knife as usual.

683
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:08.339
But you know what I mean?

684
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:09.660
That's why we watch procedure.

685
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.579
We like we do like that sort of stuff, you know?

686
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:16.259
That's why we watch Colombo and Poiro and things like that.

687
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:21.660
But there's no real mystery here because it's all space nonsense.

688
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:23.099
Do you know what I mean?

689
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.599
And, and, well, the thing is, like, those other shows, those sort

690
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.920
of procedural murder mystery shows.

691
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.420
There'll be plausible suspects and stuff.

692
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.180
And there's also, there's always a bit of interesting psychology

693
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:33.599
going on.

694
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:37.140
You usually, it's not just one person who's been cast from other

695
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:38.339
shows that's popular.

696
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.339
They just get a whole reef of people in, you know, Shatner turns

697
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:42.420
up in a Colombo, doesn't he?

698
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:43.680
Yeah, course.

699
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.400
But, yes, we're going to slowly torture Scotty to death.

700
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.500
That'll be fun.

701
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.779
That will never not be funny.

702
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.980
I prefer fast torture, you know.

703
00:31:59.039 --> 00:31:59.579
Yeah.

704
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.099
So here we go.

705
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.359
This is the ad break.

706
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:08.579
And now we're we'll come back for a quick captain's log before we

707
00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:09.660
go to the ship.

708
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:15.180
And so we're on the ship and it is just a scene that is dedicated

709
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:19.019
to spelling out this premise.

710
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:23.039
And there's no stakes.

711
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:24.180
Do you know what I mean?

712
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.119
Like there's just no, like there's just nothing kind of

713
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:27.599
happening.

714
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.779
Like we know that nothing's going to happen to Scotty, but it

715
00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:33.539
never seems like Scotty gives an answer that's going to condemn

716
00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:33.779
him.

717
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.839
Like there's never a moment where we kind of go, oh my god, you

718
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.539
know, things are going badly for Scotty right now.

719
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.160
Like that never happens.

720
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:44.220
All that happened is up to the task, however.

721
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.660
No, but I mean, like everyone else could look worried, you know

722
00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:52.079
like, we could just do that. that never happens.

723
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:54.240
Well, there was rather table.

724
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:57.660
You know, you were those comforter scenes in next generation, where

725
00:32:57.660 --> 00:33:00.059
they're all just round the table doing a fact finding exercise.

726
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.519
So the one thing that I really like about this scene, though, is

727
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.579
the computer with the flashing coloured lights.

728
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:10.980
No, the flashing coloured lights on the computer.

729
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.720
And I'm so disappointed.

730
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:16.680
Like I've got like 3 or 4 computers on the desk around me in my

731
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.640
pocket on my list.

732
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:21.660
Not a single one of them has those flashing coloured lights and

733
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:23.339
they look fucking fantastic.

734
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.779
They just look amazing.

735
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:25.440
Look at it.

736
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.339
And of course it's Major Barrett, you know, doing her computer

737
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.160
voice, as always, delightfully.

738
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:35.460
Let's not forget, you know, the collective orgasm that everybody

739
00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:39.900
had when they heard her voice in that Picard series 3 episode.

740
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.339
So good.

741
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:42.299
Missed that one.

742
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.819
She played computer voices for a long, long time.

743
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:48.960
I'd say this is humble beginning, though, because she's sort of

744
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.319
doing cod monotone computer here, isn't she?

745
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

746
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.440
But I guess they had no way of knowing.

747
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.559
And that's the other thing here too, is that, of course, no one

748
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.799
here has the slightest idea of what a computer is or how it

749
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:02.519
works.

750
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:07.140
And so we will get this ridiculous way that they overcome the

751
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:11.099
computer, which is kind of funny and cheesy, but also just kind of

752
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:12.480
massively stupid as well.

753
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.019
Like, why do we, why don't we care?

754
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.400
Do we not care about Scotty?

755
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:19.320
I just, you're right.

756
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:22.139
It didn't feel like there were any states and yet he is up for

757
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:22.679
murder here.

758
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.280
Yeah, I think it's just because it's so stupid.

759
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:30.539
It's just like 3 stabby murders in quick succession and every

760
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:35.400
single time he's holding a knife or has blood on him, just sort of

761
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:35.639
thing.

762
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.480
Come on.

763
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:38.760
I'm usually guilty.

764
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:41.519
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

765
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:43.260
What did that get into my hand, honestly.

766
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:51.900
But is it that, you know, if the backstory wasn't so stupid, do

767
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:52.619
you know what I mean?

768
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.460
Like, if the backstory, you know, because clearly it's meant to be

769
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:00.360
possible that he's guilty because he's developed a resentment

770
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.119
towards women because of the explosion that, you know, Yeoman

771
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:11.460
something, Yeoman Rand caused or something, you know, and he was

772
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:12.239
injured.

773
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.300
And maybe he's had concussion from that explosion and that's why

774
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:16.380
his memory is affected.

775
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.360
So there's all these plausible reasons which leave open the

776
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.460
possibility that he's doing the stabbing.

777
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:25.980
But because those that aren't really plausible.

778
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.460
If they were going to do this nowadays, and please God, don't do

779
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.300
this nowadays.

780
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.760
But if they were going to do this nowadays, what you would have

781
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.000
done is, you know, the half season where you'd develop that he's

782
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.219
got a hatred for whatever reason or women or a particular race, and

783
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:44.519
then you'd be on that planet where it's women or a particular race

784
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.800
and it would have a lot of sort of build up.

785
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:50.159
Instead, it's just like a one line at the beginning of the

786
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:50.639
episode.

787
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:53.039
Well, he hates women because he, you know, that explosion

788
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:53.340
happened.

789
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.880
It's just so it's like, I'll tell you what it's like.

790
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.639
It's like that episode where Dr. McCoy is told at the beginning of

791
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.460
the episode in one line, Dr. McCoy, you're going to die.

792
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:05.699
And the whole episode...

793
00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:08.099
It's not character development, is it?

794
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.159
It's not, and it's all, we've been packaged away in this one

795
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:11.519
episode.

796
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.760
It's very, I mean, stupid episode.

797
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.320
That's right.

798
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:20.519
What are they talking about?

799
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:27.059
So we're arguing about, like, I actually quite like this.

800
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.539
They're talking about what needs to be discovered for them to be

801
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:33.780
satisfied that Scotty isn't the murderer.

802
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:42.119
And, you know, both Angus and Jaris kind of agree, but their

803
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:46.679
tentative, you know, we, um, And I kind of like it.

804
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.019
You know, like Jaris is actually very sensible.

805
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.860
He says, all right, we're going to just say that Captain Kirk's

806
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:57.599
machine works the way that he says it does and will cooperate with

807
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:58.380
this investigation.

808
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.440
We think this is good, but I reserve the right to make the final

809
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:02.099
decision.

810
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.860
And all of that seems sort of reasonable and kind of sensible and

811
00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:07.559
stuff, but just everything else that's happening here is really

812
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:07.980
stupid.

813
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.000
And presumably this guy, Morlo, or whatever his name is, he is

814
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:18.960
another suspect, but you know, we're just about to eliminate him

815
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:19.619
as a suspect.

816
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.179
Do you know what I mean?

817
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.800
How come the end of this agonisingly long sequence, all suspects

818
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.440
are blown out of the water because the thing just puffs into the

819
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:29.159
air, doesn't it?

820
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:30.000
and straight into the computer.

821
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:30.539
Yeah.

822
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.219
Yeah, but I mean, we get him telling his story while he's attached

823
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:38.400
to a lie detector and the lie detector immediately says, no, yep

824
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:38.820
he's fine.

825
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.179
You know, like, so what was the point of him?

826
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.039
It's not really much about red herring, is it?

827
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:45.119
Yeah, that's right.

828
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:48.539
I've never seen an Agatha Christie story, you know, where you've

829
00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.360
had this whole reef of suspects and then all of a sudden this

830
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.380
magical cloud appears and that's all, you know, look, you have to

831
00:37:55.380 --> 00:37:56.639
cede into the story.

832
00:37:56.699 --> 00:38:01.679
For it to be satisfying, what the answer is, and yet it's like, no

833
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:02.699
no, we're doing this story.

834
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.980
Oh no, wait, we're doing this story instead.

835
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.639
Yeah.

836
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:08.039
No, this, well, and, you know, maybe that's okay.

837
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.440
Like maybe that's something Star Trek can do.

838
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:13.920
It can start somewhere and then go somewhere surprising as things

839
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:14.519
get out of hand.

840
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:19.199
Well, neither of the things are working, though.

841
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:20.280
That's the problem.

842
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:21.719
This doesn't work as a mystery.

843
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:28.559
And the, you know, piglet takes over the starship plot doesn't

844
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:29.340
work either.

845
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.320
Like...

846
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.099
I did love it.

847
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.679
When he was revealed to be the killer and he can finally play

848
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:35.940
psychotic for a second.

849
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty funny.

850
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.039
Performers comes alive in a spectacular way.

851
00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:45.599
Oh, they're still talking, look.

852
00:38:45.659 --> 00:38:47.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:48.719
This is all that happens.

854
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:52.619
We're all just sitting around talking and you said at 15 minutes

855
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:56.280
over 15 minutes, this is the longest scene, I think.

856
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:57.599
In original trick, certainly.

857
00:38:57.659 --> 00:38:58.619
I can't think of one in.

858
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.559
In later Trek, where...

859
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.179
Or much television, if I'm honest.

860
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.039
Yeah.

861
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:05.579
Yeah.

862
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.519
And this is just, it's all just info dump.

863
00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:09.599
There is no character thing.

864
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:11.159
No one's winning at any point.

865
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.360
Do you know what I mean?

866
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:15.599
Like, it's just information being dumped.

867
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.280
And that's the problem.

868
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.239
There's no stakes.

869
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:23.820
It doesn't feel like anyone's under threat or anyone's striving to

870
00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:24.599
do anything.

871
00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:26.940
Red Jack.

872
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.579
Wouldn't it be great if he discovered that Red Jack was a frozen

873
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:33.420
dessert on, you know...

874
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:38.760
But like, effectively, this is a trial scene, isn't it?

875
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:43.619
Like people are giving statements, people are being exonerated

876
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:44.820
people are being questioned.

877
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:47.340
Yeah, but it's all very genial, isn't it?

878
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.119
Like, think about the trial, think about the trial, trial of Andra

879
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.800
or the trial in Metal of Man.

880
00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:54.599
Don't you bring up ultra.

881
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:54.960
All right.

882
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:56.340
I love art.

883
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.760
That's much better than music.

884
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:00.780
Oh, we got on troll.

885
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.480
She could just pop into a lot of smoke and vanish.

886
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.440
No, but okay, think about the sharlin measure of a man or the drum

887
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:08.460
hits and things like that.

888
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.360
Yeah.

889
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:10.920
Yeah.

890
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.760
Yeah.

891
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:14.639
So they have.

892
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.719
So the purpose of this trial is to discover the premise of the

893
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.380
episode, which is that Jack the Ripper was really an alien who is

894
00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:26.940
now here killing women, you know, 100s of years later. that you

895
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:27.599
were saying?

896
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.219
Things that only Star Trek could do.

897
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:33.360
Yeah, yeah, but this is a particularly boring and stupid thing

898
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.400
that Star Trek can do, unfortunately.

899
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.579
You know, so see, that's the problem here.

900
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.599
There's no stakes.

901
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:41.340
None of the characters is under threat.

902
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.139
Even though Scotty's, you know, brutally stabbed 3 women

903
00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:46.559
probably.

904
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.039
I mean, imagine then, like, instead of him just popping into the

905
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.400
computer and the mad cackling that we hear, you had this sort of

906
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.739
top hat and tails with a nice shadow stalking women through

907
00:40:58.739 --> 00:40:59.519
the...

908
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:02.519
Yeah, I'm reaching a bit, but it would be a bit more interesting.

909
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.739
Well, in fact, that's it.

910
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.400
It's the thing where we kind of decide we're going to do Jack the

911
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.340
Ripper because we like the violence against women, but we're not

912
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:15.539
going to do any of the kind of Victorian stuff.

913
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.860
But do you know what I mean?

914
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.019
It's like we're not going to do this Victorian stuff.

915
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.260
But I think there is there is something unpleasant about.

916
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.119
So this, this is the bit where we're having the conversation about

917
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.739
about why it targets women.

918
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.320
It targets women because women are scaredy cats.

919
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.280
But women are more scared than men.

920
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.559
And so it targets women.

921
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:40.320
And I think Spock's going to say it in a way that makes me want to

922
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:41.039
smack him in the face.

923
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:42.059
Do you know what I mean?

924
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.219
Even Peck would never say that.

925
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.699
Oh, women fear death more than men?

926
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:48.960
Well, I don't know.

927
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:51.960
Maybe that's what we thought in the 1960s or what men thought

928
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.400
anyway. you know what I mean?

929
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:56.159
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Bible.

930
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.059
Yeah, well, look, we've got have we got a woman here?

931
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.659
I think we've got I think we might have yeoman Tankeras somewhere

932
00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:04.559
in the background.

933
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:06.900
No, and she, basically, it's all men.

934
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.500
She comes in purely for when he goes psychotic, but he's got

935
00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:11.159
someone to go after.

936
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:11.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

937
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:12.719
That sort of soul film.

938
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:13.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:14.280
Yeah.

940
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:16.920
She doesn't say anything The one female we really have

941
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.880
contributing anything to this sequence is Majel Barrett as the

942
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.139
computer voice.

943
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:22.440
Yeah.

944
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:26.159
The other thing that I like here, which is kind of interesting is

945
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.940
that we're also learning a little bit about what sort of World

946
00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:35.820
Star Trek operates in because we've got Spock asking the computer

947
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:37.500
like, and this is sort of boring.

948
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.820
I'm trying to eke out some interest here.

949
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:40.500
We ask, well done.

950
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:47.699
Can an entity feed on emotion, and we have an example of aliens

951
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:49.320
who live on the emotion of love?

952
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:50.699
So yes, we can do that.

953
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.500
And can an entity be like a ghost clown thing?

954
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.440
And we kind of go, yes, that's the sort of thing that can happen.

955
00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:02.579
And given that Star Trek does have those things, you know, I mean

956
00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:06.360
Star Trek does have aliens that feed on emotions, see, for

957
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:14.880
instance, um, uh, sub-rosa, um, so aliens that do feed on emotions

958
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.159
and stuff or fear, you know.

959
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:19.320
Well, that's both again, isn't it?

960
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:23.579
Roden both fed on Beverly's emotions and was a gaseous cloud.

961
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

962
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:25.320
Yeah.

963
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:29.820
What was Michael McCean, apart from a clown called for you?

964
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.599
Yeah.

965
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:34.079
He was sort of in artificial reality, wasn't he?

966
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.340
Yeah, that's right.

967
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:35.880
That's right.

968
00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:40.139
Yeah, so one of the things they're doing is exploring the limits

969
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:42.300
of the show, but given that the limits of the show are just being

970
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:46.800
made up to make this possible at this point. again, there's

971
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:47.940
nothing really here.

972
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.679
I mean, if the result of this episode is to give us further gems

973
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.139
like Subrosa and Lonely Among Us, I don't think this is a great

974
00:43:58.139 --> 00:43:58.980
service to Star Trek.

975
00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:02.460
I would watch either of those in a heartbeat over these.

976
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.239
Yeah, me too.

977
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.199
Seriously.

978
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:08.340
I mean, it ain't much of a conclusion to draw after 15 minutes of

979
00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:09.480
exposition, though, is it?

980
00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:10.500
No, that's right.

981
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:11.159
That's it.

982
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:14.460
We literally finding out what the premise is.

983
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.539
And then what do we do with the premise in the in the time that

984
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:21.300
remains, like in the 15 minutes that remains.

985
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.199
Here we go.

986
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:27.900
Spock, you prick. saying you're saying that women are more scared

987
00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:28.440
than men.

988
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.159
Less Leonard Nemoy for saying it was such conviction as well.

989
00:44:32.219 --> 00:44:33.659
Yeah, awful.

990
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.980
But then there's a woman here.

991
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.800
We get a woman here who's just sort of sitting, and he's some

992
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.900
previous famous women murderers.

993
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:40.739
Yeah, that's right.

994
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.159
That's right.

995
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:44.280
They're doing, there's another cliche that they're embedding here

996
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.579
that they use many times, especially in 90s trek, and that is, you

997
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:50.460
know, what planets has the murderer been on?

998
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.820
Oh, it just happens to be the same planets that you've been on. you

999
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:54.059
know?

1000
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:54.900
Yeah.

1001
00:44:54.900 --> 00:44:56.519
So you're clearly a murderer.

1002
00:44:56.579 --> 00:45:00.239
I think suspicions, you know, the one where...

1003
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:02.159
Yeah, they do this exactly.

1004
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:02.460
Yeah.

1005
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.119
So wait, it can't have been him or her because they weren't on

1006
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:06.960
that 3rd planet.

1007
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:07.619
It must be you.

1008
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:12.840
Now, it's for you, and we had no way of knowing any of that. that

1009
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:18.539
we're just pulling that information out of our arse now to convict

1010
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:19.079
Hengus.

1011
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:20.880
Suspicions is better than this as well.

1012
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:21.900
Oh, not suspicions.

1013
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:22.679
What am I talking about?

1014
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:23.820
It's the one with the mind rape.

1015
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.219
Oh, violation.

1016
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.179
Violations.

1017
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.139
That's better than this.

1018
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.400
Oh, Nathan, they're still fucking talking.

1019
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.519
I know, it's incredible, isn't it?

1020
00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:36.960
It's really bad.

1021
00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:42.059
And we're just again learning the backstory of this fucking thing

1022
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:42.539
you know?

1023
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.739
It's, it's incredibly tedious.

1024
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.840
Like, it's a really nothing premise.

1025
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.880
They absolutely draw out, you know, kind of explaining it to us.

1026
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:55.619
They go to so much effort.

1027
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.019
And the episode just holds.

1028
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.159
I do quite like the look of horror on the killer's face now as

1029
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.280
he's like, oh shit, those are all the planets that I've been on.

1030
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.340
Yeah.

1032
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.780
So he's not going to take the stand.

1033
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.900
And then I think this speed is actually, there's actually quite a

1034
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:16.440
great bit of violence here, like a bit of punching.

1035
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:19.320
And we've said before, one of the great things about Star Trek is

1036
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.219
that if we can have a fist fight, that's action that's quite cheap

1037
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:24.059
to do.

1038
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.380
Do you know what I mean?

1039
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.239
Like it's not, you know, hugely expensive.

1040
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:30.420
There's a much better version of the idea that they do now because

1041
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:32.760
Spock says to him, you know, you're the, you're responsible for

1042
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.579
law and and civility on this planet.

1043
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.739
So I realise you're in a bit of a sticky problem here.

1044
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.260
When Odo is the murderer in the alternate, they do exactly the

1045
00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:43.500
same thing.

1046
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:44.880
But that's one of our regulars.

1047
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.860
So we've got an automatic reason to give a shit.

1048
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.880
Not this fella.

1049
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.719
Yeah.

1050
00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:49.800
No, that's right.

1051
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:50.639
That's right.

1052
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:55.139
Yeah, that's another one where one of our people gets...

1053
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:57.539
Yes, gets the title.

1054
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:00.539
All right.

1055
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.719
So are you going to do something now, Hengus, or are you just

1056
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:05.579
going to stare looking blue-eyed?

1057
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.320
I'm just doing something.

1058
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:09.960
I mean, I would never say I'm there saying I want a woman to be

1059
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.880
murdered, but I'm glad something's about to happen.

1060
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.840
Oh, no, we're about to see again, we're about to find out what the

1061
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.639
fucking knife is made out of.

1062
00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:22.260
No stone is left unturned in this episode.

1063
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:23.699
Jesus Christ.

1064
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.639
Guess what?

1065
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:30.840
It just comes, point of origin is the cutlery shop, the kitchen

1066
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.280
appliances shop down the road from where Mr. Hengist lives.

1067
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.699
So boring.

1068
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:39.360
Here he goes.

1069
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:39.900
Here he goes.

1070
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.639
He's going to snap any second.

1071
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.500
Look at how it goes.

1072
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.019
Look, look at that stamen.

1073
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.320
He's like, he's a foot taller.

1074
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.960
His head his head is twice tall.

1075
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.239
He's got a bald wig on.

1076
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.360
He just leaps up and kicks Kirk in the chest, which is pretty

1077
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:00.539
great.

1078
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.039
He's got a lot shorter again.

1079
00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:04.559
Yeah, that's right.

1080
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:08.639
So now he's escaped into the computer and we have...

1081
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.019
I did like this, Nathan.

1082
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:10.500
No, no.

1083
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.079
Wait, because I like the weird voice that they used and the lights

1084
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:13.800
are going down.

1085
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:16.139
And again I'm like, what the fuck is happening here?

1086
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.840
But this is 10 minutes.

1087
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:23.400
So we've got 10 minutes ago and we've run out of things to do with

1088
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.000
this premise.

1089
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:28.440
And so the premises now that Jack the Ripper has control of the

1090
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.579
Enterprise computer.

1091
00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:33.000
And he says a bunch of dumb things that aren't really scary and it

1092
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.980
ends up not being very atmospheric.

1093
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.519
Well, you feel like, you know, if Jack the Ripper had control of a

1094
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.559
starship, I can't believe I just said those words.

1095
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:41.940
But if he did.

1096
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:42.659
Yeah, yeah.

1097
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:44.099
Well, you could do some...

1098
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:47.880
You could do some really probably some things, you know?

1099
00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:48.659
Yeah.

1100
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:53.820
So we've, I mean, we've had the crew scared, haven't we?

1101
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:59.880
And tents and stuff and fighting among themselves and hearing

1102
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:03.480
voices over the scanner and not knowing what it is and being

1103
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.519
afraid for their lives and stuff.

1104
00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:09.300
We've had real tension and stuff on the show before, but there's

1105
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:10.320
none of that here.

1106
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:14.460
And particularly since the way that they decide to solve the fear

1107
00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:17.099
problem is so fucking stupid.

1108
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:20.760
We're just going to take a bunch of drugs.

1109
00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.260
We're going to take a bunch of drugs.

1110
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.679
And this line actually made me laugh out loud, which is I've got

1111
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.199
enough drugs to tranquillise an active volcano.

1112
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:30.179
What is this?

1113
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:31.320
Yeah, that's right.

1114
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.880
That's, yeah, yeah.

1115
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.139
Jesus Christ.

1116
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:39.360
So now they're just going to take a fucking bunch of...

1117
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.400
Whilst the computer's cackling and you're just like, well, I said

1118
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:49.019
I like original Star Trek to be weird, but within reason.

1119
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:50.639
No, and it's so stupid.

1120
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.659
And there's rule one of drugs on television, which is everyone on

1121
00:49:54.659 --> 00:49:58.440
television has better drugs than you because like the way these

1122
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.460
people behave on drugs is well and truly beyond the way that

1123
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:05.519
anyone I know or have ever seen has behaved on drugs.

1124
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.380
Oh, here's a moment where the lift is falling.

1125
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:08.880
Sure, you've got the rippers in.

1126
00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:11.820
It should be trying to kill them all in various spectacular ways.

1127
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.900
But, you know, like the lift's going to move and then he's going

1129
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:18.719
to yell and then he's turning the live support off, but he's not

1130
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.320
going to do that because he wants to make us scared 1st and blah

1131
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:22.800
blah, blah.

1132
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.519
Do you know what I mean?

1133
00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:26.519
It's all very... imagination here, isn't it?

1134
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:27.300
Yeah.

1135
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:27.900
Yeah.

1136
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.579
In both parts of the plot, in the procedural murder mystery and in

1137
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:33.300
this.

1138
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:36.300
Yeah, I mean, just I just think this is bad.

1139
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.559
So the 2 ways that they deal with this deal with the situation, oh

1140
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:41.880
you're all going to die.

1141
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:47.460
You know, um, so we all take a bunch of drugs so that we don't

1142
00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:50.099
care that we're going to be killed is step one.

1143
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:56.519
And then the other step they have is they trick, they get the

1144
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:02.820
computer to concentrate on calculating the last digit of pi.

1145
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:12.780
And any, like, like there, Yeah, like the computer doesn't know

1146
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:14.159
what any rational number is.

1147
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:17.699
And so it sets about trying to calculate the last digit of pi

1148
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:20.340
rather than saying it's an irrational number.

1149
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.559
Look it up on Wikipedia, you stupid person.

1150
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:24.539
There is no last digit of pi.

1151
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.699
And so it's like, and that sort of stuff is kind of cute.

1152
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.960
You know, the logical paradox, you know, Spock tells a logical

1153
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.539
paradox to the computer and the computer blows up or whatever.

1154
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.420
So there's something cute and Star Trek about it.

1155
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.500
Yeah, we've been heading too.

1156
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.739
No, they're missing where women are being killed.

1157
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:47.820
Yeah, it's got nothing to do. with Jack the Ripper.

1158
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.500
They literally distract the computer by getting it to do something

1159
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:56.760
spectacularly dumb while they all get off their tits on fucking

1160
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.260
whatever the hell.

1161
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:03.719
I think Bones uses to tranquillise an active volcano. that's the

1162
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:04.260
end of the episode.

1163
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.280
Common complaint that you could have at Star Trek or bad Star Trek

1164
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:09.960
is they think the idea is enough.

1165
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:15.179
Yes, that's the problem. they think, oh, such an entire Jack the

1166
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:17.099
Ripper is in charge of the enterprise, you know?

1167
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.840
And he's going, you will all die horribly in searing pain.

1168
00:52:21.900 --> 00:52:25.500
And then you've got spot gang, he is attempting to generate terror

1169
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:28.199
captain, and you can cut off the option.

1170
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.659
Just fucking do it.

1171
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.760
Stop talking to us.

1172
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.300
And Sully's been to a lot of dance parties.

1173
00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:36.840
Look at it.

1174
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.039
He's kicking in right now.

1175
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.579
Oh, this is taking me back, Nathan.

1176
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:47.340
I think there was a few Asian blokes involved as well, you know.

1177
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.440
God, it's so bad.

1178
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:57.780
So this is a class A compulsory directive, and it's just so dumb.

1179
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.000
Compute to the last edge of the value of pi.

1180
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.800
It's ridiculous.

1181
00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:05.340
I mean, at least you could say this is not a predictable episode.

1182
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:09.659
Because you can never predict this is where we'd end up.

1183
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.519
Yeah, that's exactly right.

1184
00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:15.300
And that could have been good if anything in the episode had been

1185
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:18.179
good, but because everything's sort of terrible.

1186
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.440
Do you think there's a lot of original series Star Trek like this

1187
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:22.739
you know?

1188
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:26.880
Have we just been extraordinarily lucky?

1189
00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:31.920
Look, I think we have been lucky and I think there are episodes

1190
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.679
where you kind of go. actually they have worked out what they're

1191
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.619
doing yet and that's the problem with what's happening.

1192
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.780
But I mean, look at how stupid this is.

1193
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.059
Like everyone's kind of greening and stuff.

1194
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.840
It's just ridiculous. funny or is it scary?

1195
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.619
No?

1196
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.000
Well, I, no, I think it's stupid.

1197
00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:49.199
I mean, it's annoying.

1198
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:50.039
I don't think it's scary.

1199
00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:52.019
But it's going for both, you know?

1200
00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:55.619
Because like when Jack the Reaper gets hold of the computer, all

1201
00:53:55.619 --> 00:53:58.920
he does is say, you will die horribly in searing pain.

1202
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.860
Like, you know, like it doesn't do anything.

1203
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.099
You see the fellow's back there with one. hands behind his head.

1204
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.900
He can't even be bothered to act drunk.

1205
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.800
Oh, yeah, wow.

1206
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.059
It might take up knitting.

1207
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:18.719
Oh, dear.

1208
00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:21.659
It's so bad, isn't it?

1209
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:22.800
It's just super bad.

1210
00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:25.260
Well, you see, do you remember, do you remember the end of the

1211
00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:28.739
doomsday machine where we had that incredibly intense situation?

1212
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:34.380
And then the comedy of Kirk going, hello, get me out of here now.

1213
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.619
Yeah, gentlemen, beam me out, you know.

1214
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.179
It was scary and it was funny.

1215
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:40.079
They can do it.

1216
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:40.980
They can do it.

1217
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:41.940
Yeah.

1218
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.820
And I think there were moments there that kind of fell flat that

1219
00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:47.639
weren't perfect that weren't what you would do now, but it was one

1220
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.679
hell of a better, oh, like this.

1221
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:51.659
This is so bad.

1222
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:58.380
Now he's back in hand, and then, wait, wait, there is the stuntman

1223
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:01.019
again, and there's him back.

1224
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.019
Like, you can't object to that.

1225
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.780
That's just stupid and that's TV production and stuff, but it is

1226
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:09.300
kind of fun. the lights down, great. you know.

1227
00:55:12.059 --> 00:55:13.619
Die, die, die, everyone.

1228
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.099
Look at these things that the scary thing is thinking of saying.

1229
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.480
Everybody to die.

1230
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:20.699
Yeah, kill you all.

1231
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.679
Like, they're so bad.

1232
00:55:22.739 --> 00:55:25.079
It's so low effort, isn't it?

1233
00:55:25.139 --> 00:55:26.519
It's just so shit.

1234
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.679
There's no effort drug acting going on in the corridor.

1235
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.539
Yeah, yeah.

1236
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:35.340
So now this guy who's at the at the transporter controls is

1237
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:41.400
Lieutenant, Kyle, and he is in more than one of these episodes, but

1238
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:45.480
the new Lieutenant, Kyle, in Strange New Worlds, who is the

1239
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.699
transporter chief, who flirts with, yeah, yeah.

1240
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.559
Yeah, flirts with that guy.

1241
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.579
That should be different, doesn't he?

1242
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:55.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1243
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.019
He's much younger and much prettier and not blonde.

1244
00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:04.199
So now, now, um, now fucking Bones is raided the medicine cupboard

1245
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.400
and he's off his face as well.

1246
00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:10.320
So, and we've just, you know, pressed the, the, it dispersed it

1247
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.579
into space button.

1248
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:12.599
Like, that's it.

1249
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:13.139
We're done.

1250
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:14.039
Do you know what I mean?

1251
00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:17.639
It's boring. pre-programmed laughter at the end of this one

1252
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.619
because they're all high as fuck, you know?

1253
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:26.940
Oh, and it even has that terrible kind of crap joke music.

1255
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.400
Like it has the standard shitty.

1256
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:32.340
We're doing a joke music at the end of a Star Trek episode.

1257
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:37.679
So, so the conclusion here is we need to get it inside somebody

1258
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.500
and then we need to beam that person out into space, that person

1259
00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:44.639
will die, but the force will live, but not on the ship.

1260
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.380
Yeah, and we're not very clear about whether he's the guy or not.

1261
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:50.639
Like, do you know what I mean?

1262
00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:56.519
Like, he seems to be the guy in a way that Scotty wasn't the guy.

1263
00:56:56.579 --> 00:57:00.599
But none of that is very clear because no one gives a shit, you

1264
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:01.920
know, in the episode.

1265
00:57:01.980 --> 00:57:04.019
Oh, no, this.

1266
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:07.320
We're going to go and sleaze onto some unfortunate women.

1267
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.400
And then they decide not to for no reason and that's funny.

1268
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:14.099
Yeah, don't. fucking sober down.

1269
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:15.840
Spock's giving him a look.

1270
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:17.099
Just like I would be.

1271
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:17.760
Yeah.

1272
00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:20.760
Yeah, no, it's just super embarrassing.

1273
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:22.500
Oh, that woman walked past off a face.

1274
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:22.980
Look at that.

1275
00:57:23.940 --> 00:57:27.420
Oh, no, just saying she was paused waiting outside the door.

1276
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:28.920
Go, go, go, go.

1277
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.239
Oh, God.

1278
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:34.679
Thank God that's over.

1279
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.000
Enough for adventure.

1280
00:57:36.059 --> 00:57:38.579
I thought that was...

1281
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.059
Yeah, terrible.

1282
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:42.780
I don't think I've had so little to say about an episode since we

1283
00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:44.159
did dramatist persona.

1284
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.260
Yeah, yeah.

1285
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.039
Well, I think it's because it is so bad, you know, like it just

1286
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.619
fails to do anything at all.

1287
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.760
And I think it's both premises are flawed.

1288
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:00.960
The murder mystery and Jack the Ripper in charge of the ship.

1289
00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:02.219
Yeah.

1290
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.260
But I think maybe with a lot of tweaking, like, could work.

1291
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.820
Oh, look, yeah, I think if you wrote an episode, do you know what

1292
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:12.119
I mean?

1293
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:15.840
If you didn't just come up with an idea and then run that idea for

1294
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.559
50 minutes until we all lost the will to live and had to take a

1295
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.360
bunch of drugs, I guess, you know, but you have to write an

1296
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:30.480
episode that has turns and that, you know, things change, people

1297
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.159
learn things, not just having stuff coughed up to them, not just

1298
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.719
having the premise explained to them.

1299
00:58:36.780 --> 00:58:38.460
But yeah, that, that, you know what?

1300
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:41.880
When we were going through those 15 minutes, you were absolutely

1301
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:42.360
right.

1302
00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:45.300
They were just literally covering all bases of the premise.

1303
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.239
So spelling out the idea for 15 minutes.

1304
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:49.139
Exactly.

1305
00:58:49.139 --> 00:58:51.119
There's no time to deal with it.

1306
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:52.559
No.

1307
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.920
Yeah, then we've got 10 minutes of it going die, die, die, kill

1308
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.380
kill, until we make it start.

1309
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:01.920
If you are going to do a storyline about a malevolent gaseous

1310
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:02.460
entity.

1311
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.619
At least have...

1312
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.500
Gates McFadden masturbating to it or something like that, you

1313
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:07.739
know?

1314
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1315
00:59:09.179 --> 00:59:12.780
Yeah, no, I still think lonely among us where the captain beams

1316
00:59:12.780 --> 00:59:14.639
off the ship in order to go fucking nebula.

1317
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:19.860
Like, I, you know, like neither of those episodes are successful.

1318
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.719
You know, neither...

1319
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:22.559
Lonely Among Us.

1320
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.739
It's got that amazing subplot with the Sele and the Anton Bellibus

1321
00:59:25.739 --> 00:59:27.780
that are hunting each other through the ship.

1322
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.739
It's like, yeah.

1323
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.940
But both of them are functional bits of television in a way that

1324
00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:34.619
this just isn't at all.

1325
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.139
That this one doesn't have a plot.

1326
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:41.519
And so I think it's a failure in the League of Manhunt, which is

1327
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:46.739
also just spinning out the running time until we hit the closing

1328
00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:47.159
credits.

1329
00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:49.739
And I think that this is what that's doing.

1330
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:54.539
It's got maybe 2 ideas, but they never develop a plot around those

1331
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:55.079
ideas.

1332
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:58.260
They just beat the ideas to death.

1333
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.059
Unlike manhunt, though.

1334
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.980
I think this could have had potential.

1335
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.619
Yeah, they just fudged it.

1336
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.980
And you know, I think this might be, and we talked about this.

1337
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.159
You know, these nowadays, they do how long's the season now?

1338
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:14.519
Oh, like 10 episodes, right?

1339
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:17.880
You're pretty sure on the whole, you're going to get 10 competent

1340
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.519
bits of television, you know, which they're putting a lot of love

1341
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:21.179
in.

1342
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:25.079
You know, in original series adding 90s, they're churning out 25

1343
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:26.039
odd episodes a year.

1344
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:30.179
And so the eye's got to be off the ball at some and this is one of

1345
01:00:30.179 --> 01:00:31.199
those times, I think.

1346
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:35.699
But it's also a thing that I sort of say a lot that we get better

1347
01:00:35.699 --> 01:00:40.860
at making and consuming television as time goes on. you know.

1348
01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:44.639
And in my lifetime, that's clearly happened.

1349
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:47.280
The things that were, this was made before I was born.

1350
01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:49.860
But only just before I was born.

1351
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.519
And in my lifetime television has got better at telling stories

1352
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:57.900
and we've got better at consuming TV stories.

1353
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:02.519
And I think that this is an incompetent hour of television, that

1354
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.480
you know, I don't think it compares to anything quite in 90s trek

1355
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.840
because they've come up with a premise and they've done nothing at

1356
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.099
all with it.

1357
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.539
All they've done is waste our time.

1358
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.239
I don't think the premise is all that good.

1359
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:19.440
I think it's borderline offensive, but it could have been made to

1360
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.579
work, but no one seems to have felt the necessity of doing that.

1361
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.440
But I think it's bad.

1362
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.599
Well, say, compared to all in artist trek, except manhunt, which

1363
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:32.159
is has exactly the same problem.

1364
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.380
Yeah, well, yeah.

1365
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.440
I mean, something like threshold, again, part of the problem with

1366
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.000
that is it has an idea and it's unpleasant to watch and the ending

1367
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:46.079
is stupid and maybe what's the one?

1368
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:49.920
Is it, um, course oblivion, which again is sort of similar.

1369
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:50.880
They have one idea.

1370
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:54.000
It produces ridiculous visuals.

1371
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:56.940
It's unpleasant to watch and it goes precisely.

1372
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:58.739
But it's like a camp bit of schlock.

1373
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.519
You can watch those episodes, you know, as I sort of so bad, it's

1374
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:02.699
good.

1375
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.599
Well, and this is maybe that, and there are probably people who

1376
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:08.699
can enjoy that.

1377
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:09.360
Do you know what I mean?

1378
01:02:09.420 --> 01:02:11.880
Like I can see it is camp and sort of ridiculous and stuff.

1379
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:16.559
But I just think that the stabbing women to death elements of it.

1380
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.360
Kind of, isn't it?

1381
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:22.079
Yeah, just unpleasant. you know what's the biggest insult of all?

1382
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:22.920
Do you know what's next?

1383
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:24.840
you know what the next episode is after this?

1384
01:02:24.900 --> 01:02:25.739
No.

1385
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:27.239
It's the trouble with Tribbles.

1386
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:29.460
Wow.

1387
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:30.780
Yeah, yeah.

1388
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.380
They knew how to make good TV, but they didn't always succeed at

1389
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:36.239
doing it, I think, is the problem.

1390
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:45.840
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1391
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.079
work out what we're going to watch next, and you had the

1392
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:54.599
randomiser last time Joe, so it's my turn now, and we're going to

1393
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:56.820
pick a random 90s trek episode.

1394
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.059
That's a super boring premise, but let's just go with that.

1395
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.860
Well, 2 things.

1396
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.039
One is I'm angry because I don't get to press the button, but two

1397
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.320
I'm happy that fucking episode is over.

1398
01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:08.519
Press the button.

1399
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:08.940
Yeah.

1400
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:09.719
Okay.

1401
01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:11.099
Oh, dear.

1402
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:17.820
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is Cathexus from season

1403
01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:18.119
one.

1404
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:19.739
Do you know what that one is?

1405
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:24.119
Is it Chakotay becomes a disembodied deadly floating around the

1406
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:24.300
ship?

1407
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.960
In series one. churning out that nonsense in the 1st year.

1408
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:29.579
Press it, okay.

1409
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.300
Ridiculous.

1410
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:30.780
Okay.

1411
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:34.739
Oh, this is kind of terrible as well.

1412
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.760
This is part of the Star Trek, the Next Generation, the season 7

1413
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.980
festival of finding and or losing family members.

1414
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.619
It could be anyone in the regulars then.

1415
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:47.340
Yeah.

1416
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:48.900
So it's interface.

1417
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.780
So we get Geordie loses his mum.

1418
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.480
It has some interesting visuals and stuff, but it is kind of

1419
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.039
boring. incredibly boring.

1420
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:57.420
And this was boring.

1421
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.519
So I don't think we should do 2 boring ones on the troll.

1422
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:01.199
No, let's try another one.

1423
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.360
Ooh.

1424
01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:04.920
Oh, okay.

1425
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:11.579
This is an important one to both of us for very strange reason.

1426
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.000
Here we go.

1427
01:04:12.059 --> 01:04:17.400
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season two, episode

1428
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.860
six, Melora.

1429
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.780
Oh my god.

1430
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:25.019
It's Daphne Ashbrook.

1431
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:29.400
Yeah, Daphne Ashbrook is in it. whom I haven't met.

1432
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:30.840
Have you met Daphne Ashbrook?

1433
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.900
Well, no, but I've been made to listen to autobiography, which

1434
01:04:33.900 --> 01:04:35.880
went on for 8 hours, so I feel as if I have.

1435
01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:36.480
Yeah.

1436
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.380
Yeah.

1437
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:38.639
Has Mark met her?

1438
01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:45.599
Uh, no, but I did do a um, a cameo video for him where she, I was

1439
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:46.800
declaring my love to him.

1440
01:04:46.860 --> 01:04:50.340
And so she's going, well, Mark, I thought I was going to write you

1441
01:04:50.340 --> 01:04:54.059
a love song or a love poem for Joe, but instead I'm just going to

1442
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:55.619
declare his love for you.

1443
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.780
It's sorry.

1444
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:03.059
So you paid Daphne Ashbrook as part of the seduction process.

1445
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.199
Is that what you're saying?

1446
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:05.400
Yes.

1447
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.420
Okay, that's awesome.

1448
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.320
Guess what?

1449
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:08.579
We're still together a year later.

1450
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:10.559
It worked.

1451
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.559
Do you know, I will just I just say one thing about Melora, though

1452
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.719
because because we're not going to do it.

1453
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:21.059
It has the all-time most stupidest design of alien creature.

1454
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.840
I don't know if you recall, but his nose and his mouth are

1455
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.219
connected, right?

1456
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.400
With like a, you know, a bit of flesh.

1457
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:32.460
And then they force him to do an eating scene.

1458
01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:38.639
It's literally 100% Beaumont.

1459
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:41.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah. is pretty bad.

1460
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:42.059
All right.

1461
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:43.260
Okay, let's try another one.

1462
01:05:43.739 --> 01:05:49.199
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season five, episode

1463
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:49.980
21.

1464
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.500
Soldiers of the Empire.

1465
01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:56.940
Oh, that was Ron Moore trying to do his Klingon spinoff.

1466
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.099
It was basically like a backdoor pilot.

1467
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.300
Oh, wow.

1468
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.179
Or a Kling hospital, but we have done a lot of DS9 lately.

1469
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:04.679
Okay.

1470
01:06:04.739 --> 01:06:05.280
All right.

1471
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:06.840
Should I take DS9 off the table?

1472
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:08.400
Possibly, yeah, maybe just for this one.

1473
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:09.000
Yeah.

1474
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:10.199
Okay, all right.

1475
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:11.219
Let's try again.

1476
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.119
It is a shame because Dax is brilliant in that episode.

1477
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.820
Oh, you're smiling.

1478
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:18.960
So you're smiling.

1479
01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:20.400
Yeah.

1480
01:06:20.460 --> 01:06:24.000
This is kind of a terrible episode, but I sort of like it.

1481
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:28.500
So it's your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is the

1482
01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:30.119
masterpiece society.

1483
01:06:30.179 --> 01:06:31.619
What's that?

1484
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:39.119
That's Deanna has sex with the leader of a planet and gets in

1485
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:39.300
trouble.

1486
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:40.739
Is it that one?

1487
01:06:40.739 --> 01:06:43.679
No, no, no, no. as a whisper from season two.

1488
01:06:43.739 --> 01:06:48.179
So this is a planet that's a very planned planet where everyone

1489
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:52.980
has their role and assigned genetic, you know, partners and stuff

1490
01:06:52.980 --> 01:06:56.760
like that. and Deanna goes down there and is having sex with the

1491
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.099
leader of the planet and wrecking the whole thing.

1492
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.199
Really well characterising this.

1493
01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:03.960
I seem to remember when I was watching through and I'm like, ooh

1494
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:04.739
they're getting her right.

1495
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.440
I think this is where we 1st learn about chocolate, that she's a

1496
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:08.400
bit of a kinky bitch.

1497
01:07:08.579 --> 01:07:10.260
Yeah, yeah.

1498
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.760
Yeah, I think maybe we should do that one.

1499
01:07:11.820 --> 01:07:12.480
Yeah, why not?

1500
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:13.800
Okay, that sounds like fun.

1501
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.980
I seem to remember the fella that she's fucking is pretty hot as

1502
01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:17.159
well.

1503
01:07:17.219 --> 01:07:19.380
Yeah, I think he is good looking.

1504
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:19.980
Yeah.

1505
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.420
Yeah, I think that'd be fun.

1506
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.480
And at last, a Troy episode.

1507
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:26.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1508
01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:27.480
Brilliant.

1509
01:07:36.539 --> 01:07:39.900
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek with Joe Fawn and

1510
01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:40.800
Nathan Bottomley.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citrin, and the theme was composed

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by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 9th of May 2023 and released on

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the 19th of May.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

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Masterpiece Society.

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Wow.

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I think we should start on that line.

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And you have to make good TV.

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Yeah.

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I always have the out.

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You have the out.

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Okay, I'll have the out.

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You have more interesting things to say about that bit of nonsense

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than I did.

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I got so angry about it and I think that...

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That's always a good movie.

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Oh, so bad.

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It's your turn.

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Oh, is that?

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Yeah.

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I have to think.

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God, whatever it is, it ain't gonna be as much of a struggle as

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that was.

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No.

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I said, so this Friday, it's a very important day.

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Um, Go on.

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So this Friday, it's a very important day, obviously, because

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uh...

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Is your birthday, isn't it?

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Is it this Friday?

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Friday is my birthday.

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I was trying to forget about it, but yeah, thank you.

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That's what I thought.

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Sorry.

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Why are you trying to forget about it?

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Oh, we free?

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I don't want to celebrate getting older anymore.

1551
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Yeah, well, what's the option?

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We're going away and that's going to be not.

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I still don't know what...

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No clue.

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So, breath, the next Zelda game, which is called Tears of the

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Kingdom. comes out and I literally spent 100s of hours playing

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Breath of the Wild and exploring this massive space and stuff and

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it's a really engaging game and it's fun.

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The music's beautiful.

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It's beautifully designed.

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It's really engrossing.

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It's coming out.

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It's been delayed, it's coming up this Friday.

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And um, So I said, oh, well, I'm, I'm, and the exams are

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happening.

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And so I said, I know we'll just do a short trek.

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I'm like, wait.

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But I'm not going to do that.

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Although we have only done one short.

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I hate that, aren't we?

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Yeah that's right.

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Oh, I see.

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So you'd have to make it scorpion.

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No, no, I'm editing Scorpion tomorrow and the night after, and

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then I'll edit this one for the following week, and so it doesn't

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matter.

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I'm joking.

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We won ahead.

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What should we do?

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Let's not do original or animated or a film.