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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back on Star Trek, the original series, and it is series two, episode 15, I want to say.

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It's Wolf in the Fold, the beloved Star Trek classic Wolf in the Fold.

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You just, of course.

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Yeah, I thought this was really quite extraordinarily terrible, actually. like a barely competent piece of television.

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But I don't think that's a universally held view.

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I do think that this is beloved by some people.

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So if any of those people are listening.

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Sorry.

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I don't think I'm going to be very kind to this.

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I always thought perhaps giving James Duhan an episode of his own. of Star Trek might be a mistake.

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And I'm pleased to say that my theory is absolutely spot on. is correct.

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Yeah, although he, but like, even though it's about him and he's the subject of it, he doesn't have as big a role as, you know, Kirk and McCoy, and I think there are some great Kirk moments here, and I think that this is, you know, they're still fun to be had from time to time here, but I do think like it's a bad basic premise and it's executed really badly as well.

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Like they don't find anything to do with it, I think.

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I think James Duhan is very good at being funny and charming. which is why I think he's at his best in the movies where he just gets nice. like, you know, I know this ship like the back of my hand. bonk, you know, and things like that.

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That's what he does really well, but sort of putting him in at the centre of a murder mystery where suddenly Scotty's got all this irrational hatred of women and it's the one that's discovered holding the bloody knife and suddenly he's got to emote a lot.

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It doesn't really work, does it?

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It's not really good.

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And he does seem to stab a lot of people.

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Like I'm surprised that again.

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Scotty, stop stabbing the people.

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Um, it's, like, it's kind of... ridiculous.

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If it's not you.

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It's a fucking amazing coincidence that every time the lights come on you're holding a bloody knife.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, we've often had fun with original Trek, and I think we've been really lucky in the ones that we've got.

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But, you know, this is still the 60s.

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And although there is a lot of brilliant television being made in the 60s, there's also kind of bad television being made too.

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And this, some good ideas come up here, just sort of by the bye, and we might mention them as they come along, but this is them kind of working out what they're doing or trying to work out what they're doing and not really succeeding, I think.

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And there's a heap here that just never, ever gets attempted again.

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What definitely is worth talking about, especially some of the technology that's in play in this.

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I mean, I think this can be considered enough of a success that, you know, skip forward to TNG, lonely among us, we have another malevolent, gaseous entity entering the computer and causing a lot of trouble.

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I mean, that's not exactly a classic.

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I did like that idea.

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I like the idea of this weird evil force taking over the shit, but they just don't do anything with it.

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No, that's the problem, isn't it?

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And the way that they defeated is, doesn't it, in a psychotic way?

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and that's that's all you get.

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Yeah.

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I think there was a novelisation of it that made it do more interesting things over the screen, but all they can do is that sort of gas shape thing and then poor old, is it John Feidler or John Fiedler?

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I don't know how to say his name.

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But he's a definite that guy and he's perhaps one of the biggest guests does that we've ever had, a man who has been on literally everything on television for over 50 years and he's kind of doing the sort of scary voices, but I imagine that most of the American audience were reminded of his breakout role as piglet in Winnie the Pooh.

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And so Piglet is menacing the ship.

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Unforgettable.

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I mean, I thought he was pretty wooden in this and the obvious 1st suspects when he's so appalled at all the murders that are going on.

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Agatha Christie.

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This is not.

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No.

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And for me, though, I'm a huge fan of bewitched.

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I absolutely adore bewitched, and one of the fun things about bewitched is that it has a sort of rotating cast of guest characters.

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So, you know, the person who runs the business that Darren's advertising company has an account for, you know, is the same person week to week quite often as is his wife.

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And so this guy is in bewitched 6 times as 6 completely different people, which I just think is hilarious and kind of adorable.

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I was reading in Captain's Logs.

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For some reason, I skipped straight to the 3rd season because I wanted to see what all the interviewees had to say about, you know, this much derided season of Star Trek.

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And Walter Kadig is there saying, you know, Fred Freiburger, you know, destroyed the integrity of Star Trek by daring to bring in, you know, guest actors from the time, you know, popular guest actors.

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But actually, that's already happening here.

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And it was certainly, we said in progress, don't we?

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It would go on to become a bit of a staple, 90s trek and beyond.

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And something that works well, I think, you know, very frequently.

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I mean, what's the name of the politician that just turned up in discovery?

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Yeah, so Stacy Abram.

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Talk about a bit of stunt casting.

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President.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I mean, it's a thing that happens.

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We did an episode of Discovery, called the examples, which was based very strongly on the performance of a guest actor, the guy who played Felix was, you know, a huge deal.

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And so it is a thing that happens all the time.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

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And I think getting a big name to star in your show works over and over again.

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And we mentioned heaps of examples of it a couple of weeks ago.

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I think, generally speaking, when Star Trek does do this, they give those actors, you know, at Gene Simmons, they give them a good role to play.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but let's consider this sort of baby steps.

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Yeah, it's all right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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I have to say, as your messages came in, as you were watching this episode, I was having a delightful time reading those, and you came at me straight away with the synopsis, which is on Netflix that just says, Scotty is accused of murdering a belly dancer.

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I think you just hurt.

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Oh, God.

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You can't say it.

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It's not doing what it says on a tin, can you?

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It absolutely is doing that.

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Okay, look.

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All right, let's do it.

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I think, well, let's see the belly dancer in action.

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You know, I think I think you're right.

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We have been very lucky with the, you know, doomsday machine, travel with Tribbles.

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A long time, you know?

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We've had some absolute bangers.

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I kind of was holding out for not an absolute sort of clanger like Spock's brain, you know, universally reviled.

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There's something that's sort of reasonably competently made, but just a bit terrible.

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And that's this.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that it is reasonably competently made, but we'll get there.

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We're talking about Scorpion again.

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All right.

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Right, yeah.

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Okay, I'm going to count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So you'll notice this belly dancer did her own choreography according to memory alpha, which, you know, woo hoo.

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And belly dances are a bit of a thing, you might remember the man with the golden gun, Roger Moore.

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There are 2 belly dancers, I think, in from Russia with love or like on one of the early Connery films as well.

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One of the title sequences, like a load of belly dancers.

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Yeah, so it's definitely a thing.

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It's definitely in the zeitgeist.

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And so this is the sexy planet.

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This is pre-riser, and it's called Argelius, I think.

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I don't think they drop it, you know, because I seem to recall an episode of Discovery with a load of Orion girls doing belly dancing.

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But I think there was a guy there as well.

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Okay, so yeah.

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So one of the hilarious things that you can spot here is that she has a little flower covering up her belly button because you couldn't show a belly button on TV during this period.

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And that's the reason, because you never see Jeannie's belly button as well, you know, I Dream of Jeannie.

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So it's literally TV censorship that thought showing her actual belly button would be too sexy.

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Look at her though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's it.

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That's the other thing too, is there are things here that we just sort of think it's ridiculous that this is, you know, even a thing.

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But then there are things here where we think, how the hell is this allowed on television?

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Like, what are they doing?

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So the backstory appears to be that there's been an explosion.

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Scotty's been thrown against a bulkhead, but because a woman was responsible for the explosion.

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He has an irrational hatred of women now.

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We're worried that he might develop an irrational hatred for women.

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And so we bring him down to this plan.

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Are they on this planet?

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Well, to pick a woman for him to have sex with so that he starts liking women again or something.

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Like, it's something super dumb.

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And he's behaving like an absolute moron here.

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Like, look at him.

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He's like, he's like he's had a blow.

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Well, he has had a blow to the head.

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That's the backstory.

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But like he's just sort of staring at this woman like he's never seen a woman before.

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It's super, super embarrassing.

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Bad lesson.

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All of how this is.

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It's a load of men lounging around and then women sort of catering to their every whim and stroking them and, you know.

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We complained about justice, you know.

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But at least there was a bit of the sort of gender equality going on in that lack of sexiness.

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That's right.

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It was, however, all white people.

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Oh, yeah, sorry, yeah.

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So we ticked we were doing a race.

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And then we crossed another.

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Oh, this fella, isn't he?

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Ugly.

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Oh, yeah, he's gone now.

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Yeah, so there's 2 people and they're going to appear later and they're really desperately, terrible thing about it is, one is her father and the other one is her boyfriend and or her ex-boyfriend.

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And none of them, no one is particularly distressed at the fact that she's been killed.

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And none of the murders have any weight at all.

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So we kill this woman here, then we kill a crew member of the Enterprise, and then we kill the wife of the prefect of the city or whatever.

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And no one really seems to mind.

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Someone is entirely, is Scotty, you'll see.

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Yeah, not, oh, dear, these people have dies.

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Yeah, which is very open.

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When he comes back in relics and he says, oh, I, this reminds me of my hotel room on Argelius, I sure had a wee bit of trouble back then.

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You know, it's just like a wee bit of trouble.

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You murdered 3 people.

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You should have said, you know, the one of 2 times when I got a bit of focus back in the original series.

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I had a bit of...

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You know the line he just had there about, if someone came at me right and said, oh, there's nothing like having a stroll down a mysterious, foggy night.

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I'll be like, you know, you're right. on your own.

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Okay?

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I actually we missed the kirk.

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Kirk has a funny line there about his job never being done or something.

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You know, he's he's clearly like pimping for Scotty or whatever.

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And that's Shadow. wonderful.

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Have you know it?

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Yeah, yeah, it's all carpet.

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Oh, I did like this because even though this is in the studio, they've sort of gone to town with a dry ice here.

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Yeah, it's a nice foggy location.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they're going off to pick up chicks, are they, somewhere else, but they hear this sudden scream.

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Here we go.

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What is it with these sex planets?

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Yeah, yeah.

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They go off to...

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Turns out the wolf was right.

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They're awful.

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Yeah, he had his famous line there, didn't he?

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She's dead, Jim.

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She's dead, Jim.

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And he does get to say she's dead, Jim, again a little bit later and possibly a 3rd time, but I didn't, I may have lost count.

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But they do get some top quality.

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They get points for the acting. da, da, da, da, da, da.

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So ridiculously melodramatic.

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All stock.

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There's no music specially written for this episode which is a bit tragic.

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And there is that sort of ooh, sort of ethereal music when we have the seance, which I thought was actually pretty good. started doing the stings on this, you know?

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What's even better if those listening will know exactly what we're talking about.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think maybe they looked across the season and went, well, what's the series?

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episode where we just don't want to do any fresh music?

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Oh, wolf in the film?

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That'll do.

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Yeah, we won't put any more effort into that one.

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Is this a particularly disliked episode?

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I think this is a sort of forgotten episode where we got this on the randomiser.

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You and I did not have a problem what this was about.

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And I genuinely think I had never seen it before.

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Like I had no memories.

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Like often I remember visuals and stuff from original trek, but I don't think I ever saw this at all.

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The one sort of scintilla of knowledge that I had about this was Jack the Ripper.

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I remember that.

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I think I've read the Jammer review, which I'm sure we'll talk about at some point.

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Three stars jam up, really.

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He may want to go back and revisit that.

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That's a baffling assessment of the quality of this program.

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Have you seen the new CGI effects here or you've got the I am.

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Yeah, no, I'm watching the new effects. look really good.

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So here is Mr. Hengist, and he is our guy from Bewitched.

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Actually, to remember, it's clearly our murderer.

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Yeah, yeah. he's in it lots of times When you said bewitched earlier, you know that sort of cheeky humour that they've got, that sort of winking at buildings all the time.

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Like the best of TOS does that as well.

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I don't think there's not parallels there with how they play their shows.

219
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No, but the thing about bewitched is that it's really feminist, like really properly feminist and it's about feminism as well.

220
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And so... a woman called.

221
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Endora.

222
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Oh, gosh, she's won the voice.

223
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Oh, superb.

224
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It's one of my favourite shows and I've got I could go on about it at great length, but it is really kind of progressive and it is about, you know, her decision.

225
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She belongs to a sort of very modern, progressive European style family and she chooses to give it up to become a, you know, housewife and it's all about that decision.

226
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That's not a show that's not at all in progressive in any way, shape or form.

227
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No.

228
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Well, you see, so the basic idea is that Jack the Ripper is an alien or, you know, uh, has an alien entity that inspires uh, people to murder women.

229
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And.

230
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Well, he came in contact with Jackson.

231
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So I don't think it started a shot, did it?

232
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It's somewhere along his timeline of jumping from person to person.

233
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He influenced Jack the Ripper.

234
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Yeah.

235
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Yeah.

236
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And so part of the problem with that is, of course, that men murdering women is a thing that is distressingly common.

237
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And, you know, they behave as if it's like a super rare thing.

238
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But the other thing is they kind of think that it would be entertaining to have Jake the Repast, take over the ship.

239
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And I just don't think it is because like there's even that quote, did you said it where block, I can't remember the name of the writer of the episode.

240
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But he was tasked with riding a Jack the Ripper in space thing where it wasn't Jack going through the fog with a knife.

241
00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:07.019
But essentially that's the only interesting thing about Jack the Reaper is that kind of iconography of the, you know, the dark Victorian streets of fog and stuff.

242
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Yeah.

243
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And they're leading inside.

244
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In the 1st half of this, they're leaning in, so yeah, who's the one?

245
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It's a murder mystery, isn't it?

246
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Yeah, but it's a kind of shitty murder mystery, isn't it?

247
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Because there's no actual suspects.

248
00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:27.420
Well, it should have been. is that this weird gaseous, this malevolent entity. inspired by Jack the Ripper is going into Scotty.

249
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And then maybe that should have been the episode.

250
00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.640
Well, then do we prosecute Scotty or do we prosecute the malevolent, you know, but that's a bit more interesting in what we get?

251
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Yeah, yeah, I think like I just don't know what's so great about Jack the Ripper as an idea here.

252
00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.779
I think they're leaning into sort of visually as well.

253
00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.799
Like, or wouldn't it be great to have a, you know, foggy streets and yeah.

254
00:17:52.859 --> 00:17:53.940
Yeah.

255
00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.480
And I have to say that I don't hate this bit either.

256
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So there is an interaction with this society and they are a society that's given over to pleasure and we get that thing where jealousy is forbidden because it causes violence.

257
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And particularly in a world where everyone's fucking everyone else, you know.

258
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But also like she, so this is Sibo, who is the wife of the sort of prefect of the city or whatever, and she's an ancient priestess.

259
00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:33.000
And when they contact the ship, Spock says, yes, you know, it's a thing.

260
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This is a real thing that they're able to do.

261
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And, you know, like I wouldn't want to hang a man on just that evidence, but it's real and interesting and something's happening.

262
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I thought that was all really quite good.

263
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I miss all of this when I was watching it the 1st time.

264
00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.500
Maybe I was looking at my phone a lot more than I thought, you know.

265
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I think I looked up and thought, oh, the set dressing is quite nice.

266
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Have you not?

267
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But it doesn't go anywhere.

268
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That's the problem.

269
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It just doesn't go anywhere.

270
00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.779
I think there's sort of germs of ideas all over the place.

271
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None of them are really, are they?

272
00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:13.920
No, because the only reason that she's there, like she doesn't learn.

273
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Oh, she does actually, that's not true.

274
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She actually does learn that it is like more than just a person, that it is an age old murderous entity.

275
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So she actually successfully discovers that.

276
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But she's also killed.

277
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And in fact, that's perhaps the most interesting delivery of exposition about the premise that we get.

278
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Certainly not the 15 minute sequence where they chat to the computer, which is just unforgivably boring and linear, like an...

279
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.059
But I think there absolutely is a way of doing a 15 minute sequence that could be really interesting.

280
00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:58.440
That's just having a robotic voice intoning droning on for 10 minutes.

281
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That's not how you do it.

282
00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:10.019
So we were thinking of 2 episodes before in 90s trek that have something similar and those are a matter, is it a matter of perspective?

283
00:20:10.859 --> 00:20:12.779
A matter of perspective?

284
00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.000
That's the one where Riker's accused of murder.

285
00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:29.519
Yeah, so he's accused of murdering a man, because he's having an affair with the wife, and it gets played out in the holodeck and they've got the holodeck so they can reenact the thing.

286
00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:31.680
See, I just thought this was so bad.

287
00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:33.240
This poor woman comes down.

288
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This is Lieutenant Tracy just to be killed.

289
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Just to be murdered.

290
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She's Lieutenant Tracy.

291
00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:45.359
And she is able to operate the she has 2 female names like Captain Janeway.

292
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And she, she's Karen.

293
00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.960
So Karen operates the psycho tricorder.

294
00:20:52.019 --> 00:21:07.380
And the psychotricorder can read someone's memory for the last 24 hours and it's a piece of kit that will never get mentioned again because it would actually ruin a whole heap of episodes and make them impossible. 900 episodes that follow this.

295
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.940
There are many occasions where the psycho tricorder would be instrumental.

296
00:21:11.940 --> 00:21:12.839
It would have been very useful.

297
00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:13.740
Yeah.

298
00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:18.539
Maybe someone's written a book, I reckon, that they were banned for some reason.

299
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:23.579
No, no, Lieutenant Tracy was the only one who knew how to work it, and then she gets stabbed.

300
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.579
So that's why no one else uses it again.

301
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.460
Yeah, that's what that's what I'm going with.

302
00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:34.500
Well, and it's very unfortunate that she's about to be brutally murdered.

303
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.000
Yeah, that's right.

304
00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:36.779
That's right.

305
00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.279
It's so stupid.

306
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:44.940
And you even know when she comes down, you know, that she's coming here to be murdered and she'll get 3 lines and then be stabbed.

307
00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:48.059
Look at this fella that they've hired in for this role.

308
00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.819
He's got the sort of demonic beard, doesn't he?

309
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.059
I think he's really striking looking.

310
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:57.180
He's got really bad kind of bald hair.

311
00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:06.240
But I think he's actually quite striking and, you know, like he, I'm buying him as the sleazy prefect of a city based on pleasure.

312
00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:16.140
They were trying too hard to point the finger at anyone but the person who turned out to be the murderer, but it was so obvious he was the murderer, you know?

313
00:22:16.259 --> 00:22:17.640
So here we are.

314
00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:18.900
Here's our 2nd murder.

315
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:30.180
There is Tracy, who has been stabbed, but doesn't seem to be bleeding, and he's she's dead, Jim, for the 2nd time, and it's...

316
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.440
Okay, so is this malevolent entity is going into that fella and he's the one doing the murders, yeah?

317
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.079
So, or is it Scotty doing?

318
00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:37.619
Where is he?

319
00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:40.140
No, I don't think Scotty's doing that.

320
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.220
Why is he not murdering Scotty?

321
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:47.099
Because women are more scared of being murdered than men.

322
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:48.779
And so, yeah.

323
00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.279
And so it enjoys murdering women more than it would enjoy murdering men.

324
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.380
I'm pretty scared of being mad. you know.

325
00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.180
I am as well.

326
00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:02.519
Well, not normally, not generally, but it'd be bad, let's just say.

327
00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:10.500
But it is, it is some, like that's literally said in dialogue later in that interminable scene up on the ship.

328
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:19.799
Remember, this is coming from the same pool of writers that gave us, you know, the finale where women are not allowed to be in positions of authority on a starship.

329
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:21.059
Yeah.

330
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:21.839
Yeah.

331
00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:30.119
And there are hints that it's not always like that or it didn't have to be like that, but this is pretty miserable as far as sexism goes.

332
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.900
And it isn't. think about what we watched last week.

333
00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:36.119
Scorpion.

334
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:41.460
And how we were celebrating Jerry Ryan and Kate Mulgrew in these incredible roles.

335
00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:42.900
Yeah.

336
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.279
Things things change.

337
00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:46.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did.

338
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:46.980
They did.

339
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.339
And this, but original Star Trek isn't always like this.

340
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.380
There are competent women in it.

341
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.039
But this is a miserable and they're not giving enough.

342
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.660
No, no, sure.

343
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:58.259
Yeah.

344
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:58.920
Yeah.

345
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:18.059
So the one thing that I like is, and it's going to come in because the captain's going to contact Spock, who's on the bridge, and he's going to explain to Spock that we need to follow the laws of this society while we're here.

346
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.400
While we're here, we're bound by their laws and we have to, we can help them.

347
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:29.039
You know, if, and if they agree to it, that's fine, but we can't override their justice system.

348
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.839
And there's no question.

349
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:33.599
That sounds very similar to something you and I watched together in person.

350
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:36.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

351
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:38.640
But I think that's good.

352
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:46.680
That's something that Star Trek does run with, and I think it's being established here because Bach doesn't seem to have any idea that those are the rules.

353
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:52.859
So should they ultimately decide that Scotty is guilty, then they would have to leave him behind to be punished.

354
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:53.640
Yeah.

355
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.579
But they don't go down that route, do they?

356
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.700
And maybe after watching Justice, we should be glad that they didn't.

357
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:12.059
Yeah, I mean, the thing with justice is the problem that we have is not adhering to a rule, like a rule that comes from an alien society.

358
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.960
It's adhering to an absurd unjust rule.

359
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:18.119
Like they object to the rule here.

360
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.259
You know, he's had a, you know, like he's done some stabbing.

361
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.640
I mean, do you know what I mean?

362
00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:40.859
Like, like, it's, it wouldn't be that implausible for them to decide actually he did stab those women and uh, we're going to actually they, the rule is here on this planet, death by slow torture, which... be great.

363
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.440
That's how I've always wanted to go, you know.

364
00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.180
So this guy, this guy.

365
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:54.599
They just bring in these 2 randomers and say, right, well, yeah, so these 2 men were hanging about, you know, where your lieutenant was out there.

366
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:58.740
So we actually saw him storm off in scene one.

367
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:03.480
We saw the guy with the moustache, the guy with the moustache who's her father.

368
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.960
We saw him with the band.

369
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.180
This guy who's really striking looking.

370
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:14.339
He got beautiful blue eyes, but seems to have had a horrific sort of broken nose at some point.

371
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:18.119
But he's striking looking and I think he's okay.

372
00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:20.220
He's about how they nice it.

373
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.500
All the ice pop in original...

374
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.640
What it is.

375
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:24.900
Well, so does his.

376
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.220
You know the father?

377
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.019
He looks like he stepped straight out of Aladdin.

378
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.220
I mean, what have they put him in?

379
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.539
Well, and they're using all this like it's Turkish or do you know what I mean?

380
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.559
Like slightly Islamic kind of architecture and stuff?

381
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.480
It's sort of shorthanded.

382
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:40.980
Exotic, isn't it?

383
00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:42.000
Yeah, I think so.

384
00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:42.480
Yeah.

385
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.319
Yeah, yeah.

386
00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:45.779
And let's not pretend night is trek is above that as well.

387
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.400
No, no.

388
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah, that's right.

389
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:52.859
So, like this, I think this is a reasonable conversation.

390
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.319
I think it's actually, you know, not bad.

391
00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:04.440
And I think that, that, um, the way that he interacts here, you know, that he agrees to do this weird seance.

392
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.539
Oh, I love this scene.

393
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:07.019
Yeah.

394
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:12.480
When I just like how this scene was executed, how when the camera starts moving around, the lights start going down.

395
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:18.059
Then it goes pitch black and then you hear the scream and that was sort of the scariest bit in the whole episode, I thought.

396
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.200
Yeah, yeah.

397
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:24.000
And I can imagine you know, someone remembering that and finding it really striking.

398
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:37.680
It's something I've heard, um, pointed at both 60s, Doctor Who, and 60s Star Trek by you is that it does weird really well. in a way they're sort of abandoned a bit later on.

399
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:39.960
Yeah, this scene was weird.

400
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.119
I couldn't really figure out what was happening.

401
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:44.400
No, but I mean, I kind of like this.

402
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:47.819
See, this is Spock saying that it's an interesting phenomenon.

403
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:54.960
Uh, you know, uh, it's something real is happening here in this empathic technique thing. not just mumbo jumbo.

404
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:55.799
It's not just made up.

405
00:27:55.859 --> 00:28:02.039
And this is where Scotty says, oh, this is where Spock says, let's beam Scotty up and he's told that that can't happen.

406
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:12.599
And, you know, later on, we know that those are the rules, but this is those rules being established in Star Trek, I think, don't you?

407
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.619
It sounds like it.

408
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.839
Is this the 1st time this has happened then?

409
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:21.660
Well, they've been bound. by another side. doesn't seem to Yeah, Spock doesn't seem to know anything about that.

410
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.519
Look at that shot from above.

411
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:27.420
Yeah, it looks really good, doesn't it?

412
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.640
Yeah, look at the shadows on the floor.

413
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:31.140
The light is terrific too.

414
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.099
She's great too.

415
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.119
I really like this one.

416
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:38.579
She will, of course, spoilers get stabbed.

417
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:40.980
She's a woman in this episode.

418
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.920
She's a woman who talks in this episode, so...

419
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.319
You've got to be punished, right?

420
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.400
If you've got the dialogue.

421
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.500
You're going to be a question.

422
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.000
Dreadful.

423
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:52.259
Oh, yeah.

424
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:55.740
Anger feeds the flame.

425
00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:00.839
And sort of the weird priestess thing and stuff is something that Star Trek does.

426
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:04.980
But I just love Spock, who is so rational, saying, yes, this is a thing.

427
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:12.420
It's real. you know, um, But there was, there was a, there was a lot of sort of weird camera movement here and things like this, you know.

428
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.359
We weren't getting that sort of imagination in Scorpion.

429
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:16.920
No.

430
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:22.799
I like hatred of everything that lives, hatred of women, power, actually say that.

431
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.720
An ancient terror, Nathan.

432
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:25.500
Yeah.

433
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.079
Well, all of that's super interesting.

434
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:28.980
Do you know what I mean?

435
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.500
And it does exonerate Scotty, doesn't it?

436
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.259
Because he's not an ancient terror as far as we can tell.

437
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.819
Look at that lighting now.

438
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:36.539
That's so movie.

439
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.119
And then the lights just cut and you hear the scream.

440
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.359
And there she is and he's holding her and she's dead.

441
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:51.059
I am not. not entirely sure how that fella, you know, the murderer managed to get around that table, kill her, and get back to his seat that quickly. very small.

442
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.339
And why has Scotty always got the knife?

443
00:29:56.460 --> 00:30:02.940
Yeah, he's just unlucky, it turns out. when the lights were out, someone handed it to me.

444
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:03.480
All right?

445
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:07.619
Yeah, but I'm expecting Kirk, look, he's standing there with his hands on his hips.

446
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:08.220
I'm expecting.

447
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.079
We go Scotty, stop murdering people.

448
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:11.339
Stop stabbing people.

449
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.180
You're not doing your case any favour, Scotty, right?

450
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:22.619
We actually never find out why he doesn't remember the what happened during the 1st 2 incidents either.

451
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:30.000
That's never established. whilst you sort of had some moments of interest in the 1st sort of 20 minutes.

452
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:33.299
And do you think when we go onto the enterprise, that's when this all falls apart?

453
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:42.359
Well, I still think the premise is basically misguided, but them the very, very, long scene on the Enterprise is so wearing.

454
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.559
It's so bad.

455
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:48.839
If there was any pace for this, which there wasn't, it flattered during that scene.

456
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.319
Yeah.

457
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:50.039
Yeah, yeah.

458
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:55.259
Well, you're sort of getting sort of the momentum's coming from the murders. that's coming.

459
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.019
But then that just stops for a long exposition scene.

460
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.079
Yeah, so the murders are stupid.

461
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

462
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:07.019
Like, like, it's just a woman turns up, then she's stabbed and Scotty has the knife as usual.

463
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:08.339
But you know what I mean?

464
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:09.660
That's why we watch procedure.

465
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.579
We like we do like that sort of stuff, you know?

466
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:16.259
That's why we watch Colombo and Poiro and things like that.

467
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:21.660
But there's no real mystery here because it's all space nonsense.

468
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:23.099
Do you know what I mean?

469
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:28.920
And, and, well, the thing is, like, those other shows, those sort of procedural murder mystery shows.

470
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.420
There'll be plausible suspects and stuff.

471
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.599
And there's also, there's always a bit of interesting psychology going on.

472
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:38.339
You usually, it's not just one person who's been cast from other shows that's popular.

473
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.420
They just get a whole reef of people in, you know, Shatner turns up in a Colombo, doesn't he?

474
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:43.680
Yeah, course.

475
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.400
But, yes, we're going to slowly torture Scotty to death.

476
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.500
That'll be fun.

477
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.779
That will never not be funny.

478
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.980
I prefer fast torture, you know.

479
00:31:59.039 --> 00:31:59.579
Yeah.

480
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.099
So here we go.

481
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.359
This is the ad break.

482
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:09.660
And now we're we'll come back for a quick captain's log before we go to the ship.

483
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:19.019
And so we're on the ship and it is just a scene that is dedicated to spelling out this premise.

484
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:23.039
And there's no stakes.

485
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:24.180
Do you know what I mean?

486
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.599
Like there's just no, like there's just nothing kind of happening.

487
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:33.779
Like we know that nothing's going to happen to Scotty, but it never seems like Scotty gives an answer that's going to condemn him.

488
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:39.539
Like there's never a moment where we kind of go, oh my god, you know, things are going badly for Scotty right now.

489
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.160
Like that never happens.

490
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:44.220
All that happened is up to the task, however.

491
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:52.079
No, but I mean, like everyone else could look worried, you know, like, we could just do that. that never happens.

492
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:54.240
Well, there was rather table.

493
00:32:54.299 --> 00:33:00.059
You know, you were those comforter scenes in next generation, where they're all just round the table doing a fact finding exercise.

494
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:08.579
So the one thing that I really like about this scene, though, is the computer with the flashing coloured lights.

495
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:10.980
No, the flashing coloured lights on the computer.

496
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.720
And I'm so disappointed.

497
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:17.640
Like I've got like 3 or 4 computers on the desk around me in my pocket on my list.

498
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:23.339
Not a single one of them has those flashing coloured lights and they look fucking fantastic.

499
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.779
They just look amazing.

500
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:25.440
Look at it.

501
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:32.160
And of course it's Major Barrett, you know, doing her computer voice, as always, delightfully.

502
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:39.900
Let's not forget, you know, the collective orgasm that everybody had when they heard her voice in that Picard series 3 episode.

503
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.339
So good.

504
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:42.299
Missed that one.

505
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.819
She played computer voices for a long, long time.

506
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:52.319
I'd say this is humble beginning, though, because she's sort of doing cod monotone computer here, isn't she?

507
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

508
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.440
But I guess they had no way of knowing.

509
00:33:55.500 --> 00:34:02.519
And that's the other thing here too, is that, of course, no one here has the slightest idea of what a computer is or how it works.

510
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:12.480
And so we will get this ridiculous way that they overcome the computer, which is kind of funny and cheesy, but also just kind of massively stupid as well.

511
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.019
Like, why do we, why don't we care?

512
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.400
Do we not care about Scotty?

513
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:19.320
I just, you're right.

514
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:22.679
It didn't feel like there were any states and yet he is up for murder here.

515
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.280
Yeah, I think it's just because it's so stupid.

516
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:35.639
It's just like 3 stabby murders in quick succession and every single time he's holding a knife or has blood on him, just sort of thing.

517
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.480
Come on.

518
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:38.760
I'm usually guilty.

519
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:41.519
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

520
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:43.260
What did that get into my hand, honestly.

521
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:52.619
But is it that, you know, if the backstory wasn't so stupid, do you know what I mean?

522
00:34:52.679 --> 00:35:12.239
Like, if the backstory, you know, because clearly it's meant to be possible that he's guilty because he's developed a resentment towards women because of the explosion that, you know, Yeoman, something, Yeoman Rand caused or something, you know, and he was injured.

523
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.380
And maybe he's had concussion from that explosion and that's why his memory is affected.

524
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:23.460
So there's all these plausible reasons which leave open the possibility that he's doing the stabbing.

525
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:25.980
But because those that aren't really plausible.

526
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:30.300
If they were going to do this nowadays, and please God, don't do this nowadays.

527
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:46.800
But if they were going to do this nowadays, what you would have done is, you know, the half season where you'd develop that he's got a hatred for whatever reason or women or a particular race, and then you'd be on that planet where it's women or a particular race, and it would have a lot of sort of build up.

528
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:50.639
Instead, it's just like a one line at the beginning of the episode.

529
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:53.340
Well, he hates women because he, you know, that explosion happened.

530
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.880
It's just so it's like, I'll tell you what it's like.

531
00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:02.460
It's like that episode where Dr. McCoy is told at the beginning of the episode in one line, Dr. McCoy, you're going to die.

532
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:05.699
And the whole episode...

533
00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:08.099
It's not character development, is it?

534
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.519
It's not, and it's all, we've been packaged away in this one episode.

535
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.760
It's very, I mean, stupid episode.

536
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.320
That's right.

537
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:20.519
What are they talking about?

538
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:27.059
So we're arguing about, like, I actually quite like this.

539
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:33.780
They're talking about what needs to be discovered for them to be satisfied that Scotty isn't the murderer.

540
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:46.679
And, you know, both Angus and Jaris kind of agree, but their tentative, you know, we, um, And I kind of like it.

541
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.019
You know, like Jaris is actually very sensible.

542
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:58.380
He says, all right, we're going to just say that Captain Kirk's machine works the way that he says it does and will cooperate with this investigation.

543
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:02.099
We think this is good, but I reserve the right to make the final decision.

544
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.980
And all of that seems sort of reasonable and kind of sensible and stuff, but just everything else that's happening here is really stupid.

545
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:19.619
And presumably this guy, Morlo, or whatever his name is, he is another suspect, but you know, we're just about to eliminate him as a suspect.

546
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.179
Do you know what I mean?

547
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:29.159
How come the end of this agonisingly long sequence, all suspects are blown out of the water because the thing just puffs into the air, doesn't it?

548
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:30.000
and straight into the computer.

549
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:30.539
Yeah.

550
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:38.820
Yeah, but I mean, we get him telling his story while he's attached to a lie detector and the lie detector immediately says, no, yep, he's fine.

551
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.179
You know, like, so what was the point of him?

552
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.039
It's not really much about red herring, is it?

553
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:45.119
Yeah, that's right.

554
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:56.639
I've never seen an Agatha Christie story, you know, where you've had this whole reef of suspects and then all of a sudden this magical cloud appears and that's all, you know, look, you have to cede into the story.

555
00:37:56.699 --> 00:38:02.699
For it to be satisfying, what the answer is, and yet it's like, no, no, we're doing this story.

556
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.980
Oh no, wait, we're doing this story instead.

557
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.639
Yeah.

558
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:08.039
No, this, well, and, you know, maybe that's okay.

559
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.440
Like maybe that's something Star Trek can do.

560
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:14.519
It can start somewhere and then go somewhere surprising as things get out of hand.

561
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:19.199
Well, neither of the things are working, though.

562
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:20.280
That's the problem.

563
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:21.719
This doesn't work as a mystery.

564
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:29.340
And the, you know, piglet takes over the starship plot doesn't work either.

565
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.320
Like...

566
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.099
I did love it.

567
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.940
When he was revealed to be the killer and he can finally play psychotic for a second.

568
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty funny.

569
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.039
Performers comes alive in a spectacular way.

570
00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:45.599
Oh, they're still talking, look.

571
00:38:45.659 --> 00:38:47.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:48.719
This is all that happens.

573
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:56.280
We're all just sitting around talking and you said at 15 minutes, over 15 minutes, this is the longest scene, I think.

574
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:57.599
In original trick, certainly.

575
00:38:57.659 --> 00:38:58.619
I can't think of one in.

576
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.559
In later Trek, where...

577
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.179
Or much television, if I'm honest.

578
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.039
Yeah.

579
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:05.579
Yeah.

580
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.519
And this is just, it's all just info dump.

581
00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:09.599
There is no character thing.

582
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:11.159
No one's winning at any point.

583
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.360
Do you know what I mean?

584
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:15.599
Like, it's just information being dumped.

585
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.280
And that's the problem.

586
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.239
There's no stakes.

587
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:24.599
It doesn't feel like anyone's under threat or anyone's striving to do anything.

588
00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:26.940
Red Jack.

589
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.420
Wouldn't it be great if he discovered that Red Jack was a frozen dessert on, you know...

590
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:38.760
But like, effectively, this is a trial scene, isn't it?

591
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:44.820
Like people are giving statements, people are being exonerated, people are being questioned.

592
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:47.340
Yeah, but it's all very genial, isn't it?

593
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.800
Like, think about the trial, think about the trial, trial of Andra or the trial in Metal of Man.

594
00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:54.599
Don't you bring up ultra.

595
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:54.960
All right.

596
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:56.340
I love art.

597
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.760
That's much better than music.

598
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:00.780
Oh, we got on troll.

599
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.480
She could just pop into a lot of smoke and vanish.

600
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:08.460
No, but okay, think about the sharlin measure of a man or the drum hits and things like that.

601
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.360
Yeah.

602
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:10.920
Yeah.

603
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.760
Yeah.

604
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:14.639
So they have.

605
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:27.599
So the purpose of this trial is to discover the premise of the episode, which is that Jack the Ripper was really an alien who is now here killing women, you know, 100s of years later. that you were saying?

606
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.219
Things that only Star Trek could do.

607
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:35.400
Yeah, yeah, but this is a particularly boring and stupid thing that Star Trek can do, unfortunately.

608
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.579
You know, so see, that's the problem here.

609
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.599
There's no stakes.

610
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:41.340
None of the characters is under threat.

611
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.559
Even though Scotty's, you know, brutally stabbed 3 women, probably.

612
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:59.519
I mean, imagine then, like, instead of him just popping into the computer and the mad cackling that we hear, you had this sort of top hat and tails with a nice shadow stalking women through the...

613
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:02.519
Yeah, I'm reaching a bit, but it would be a bit more interesting.

614
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.739
Well, in fact, that's it.

615
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:15.539
It's the thing where we kind of decide we're going to do Jack the Ripper because we like the violence against women, but we're not going to do any of the kind of Victorian stuff.

616
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.860
But do you know what I mean?

617
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.019
It's like we're not going to do this Victorian stuff.

618
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.260
But I think there is there is something unpleasant about.

619
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:28.739
So this, this is the bit where we're having the conversation about, about why it targets women.

620
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.320
It targets women because women are scaredy cats.

621
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.280
But women are more scared than men.

622
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.559
And so it targets women.

623
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:41.039
And I think Spock's going to say it in a way that makes me want to smack him in the face.

624
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:42.059
Do you know what I mean?

625
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.219
Even Peck would never say that.

626
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.699
Oh, women fear death more than men?

627
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:48.960
Well, I don't know.

628
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:53.400
Maybe that's what we thought in the 1960s or what men thought anyway. you know what I mean?

629
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:56.159
Brought to you by the same people that brought you the Bible.

630
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.059
Yeah, well, look, we've got have we got a woman here?

631
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.559
I think we've got I think we might have yeoman Tankeras somewhere in the background.

632
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:06.900
No, and she, basically, it's all men.

633
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.159
She comes in purely for when he goes psychotic, but he's got someone to go after.

634
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:11.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

635
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:12.719
That sort of soul film.

636
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:13.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

637
00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:14.280
Yeah.

638
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:22.139
She doesn't say anything The one female we really have contributing anything to this sequence is Majel Barrett as the computer voice.

639
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:22.440
Yeah.

640
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:37.500
The other thing that I like here, which is kind of interesting is that we're also learning a little bit about what sort of World Star Trek operates in because we've got Spock asking the computer, like, and this is sort of boring.

641
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.820
I'm trying to eke out some interest here.

642
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:40.500
We ask, well done.

643
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:49.320
Can an entity feed on emotion, and we have an example of aliens who live on the emotion of love?

644
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:50.699
So yes, we can do that.

645
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.500
And can an entity be like a ghost clown thing?

646
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.440
And we kind of go, yes, that's the sort of thing that can happen.

647
00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:17.159
And given that Star Trek does have those things, you know, I mean, Star Trek does have aliens that feed on emotions, see, for instance, um, uh, sub-rosa, um, so aliens that do feed on emotions and stuff or fear, you know.

648
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:19.320
Well, that's both again, isn't it?

649
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:23.579
Roden both fed on Beverly's emotions and was a gaseous cloud.

650
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

651
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:25.320
Yeah.

652
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:29.820
What was Michael McCean, apart from a clown called for you?

653
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.599
Yeah.

654
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:34.079
He was sort of in artificial reality, wasn't he?

655
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.340
Yeah, that's right.

656
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:35.880
That's right.

657
00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:47.940
Yeah, so one of the things they're doing is exploring the limits of the show, but given that the limits of the show are just being made up to make this possible at this point. again, there's nothing really here.

658
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:58.980
I mean, if the result of this episode is to give us further gems like Subrosa and Lonely Among Us, I don't think this is a great service to Star Trek.

659
00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:02.460
I would watch either of those in a heartbeat over these.

660
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.239
Yeah, me too.

661
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.199
Seriously.

662
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:09.480
I mean, it ain't much of a conclusion to draw after 15 minutes of exposition, though, is it?

663
00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:10.500
No, that's right.

664
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:11.159
That's it.

665
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:14.460
We literally finding out what the premise is.

666
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:21.300
And then what do we do with the premise in the in the time that remains, like in the 15 minutes that remains.

667
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.199
Here we go.

668
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:28.440
Spock, you prick. saying you're saying that women are more scared than men.

669
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.159
Less Leonard Nemoy for saying it was such conviction as well.

670
00:44:32.219 --> 00:44:33.659
Yeah, awful.

671
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.980
But then there's a woman here.

672
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.900
We get a woman here who's just sort of sitting, and he's some previous famous women murderers.

673
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:40.739
Yeah, that's right.

674
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.159
That's right.

675
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:50.460
They're doing, there's another cliche that they're embedding here that they use many times, especially in 90s trek, and that is, you know, what planets has the murderer been on?

676
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.059
Oh, it just happens to be the same planets that you've been on. you know?

677
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:54.900
Yeah.

678
00:44:54.900 --> 00:44:56.519
So you're clearly a murderer.

679
00:44:56.579 --> 00:45:00.239
I think suspicions, you know, the one where...

680
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:02.159
Yeah, they do this exactly.

681
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:02.460
Yeah.

682
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.960
So wait, it can't have been him or her because they weren't on that 3rd planet.

683
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:07.619
It must be you.

684
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:19.079
Now, it's for you, and we had no way of knowing any of that. that we're just pulling that information out of our arse now to convict Hengus.

685
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:20.880
Suspicions is better than this as well.

686
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:21.900
Oh, not suspicions.

687
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:22.679
What am I talking about?

688
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:23.820
It's the one with the mind rape.

689
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.219
Oh, violation.

690
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.179
Violations.

691
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.139
That's better than this.

692
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.400
Oh, Nathan, they're still fucking talking.

693
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.519
I know, it's incredible, isn't it?

694
00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:36.960
It's really bad.

695
00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:42.539
And we're just again learning the backstory of this fucking thing, you know?

696
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.739
It's, it's incredibly tedious.

697
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.840
Like, it's a really nothing premise.

698
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.880
They absolutely draw out, you know, kind of explaining it to us.

699
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:55.619
They go to so much effort.

700
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.019
And the episode just holds.

701
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:05.280
I do quite like the look of horror on the killer's face now as he's like, oh shit, those are all the planets that I've been on.

702
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

703
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.340
Yeah.

704
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.780
So he's not going to take the stand.

705
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:16.440
And then I think this speed is actually, there's actually quite a great bit of violence here, like a bit of punching.

706
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:24.059
And we've said before, one of the great things about Star Trek is that if we can have a fist fight, that's action that's quite cheap to do.

707
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.380
Do you know what I mean?

708
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.239
Like it's not, you know, hugely expensive.

709
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:35.579
There's a much better version of the idea that they do now because Spock says to him, you know, you're the, you're responsible for law and and civility on this planet.

710
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.739
So I realise you're in a bit of a sticky problem here.

711
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.500
When Odo is the murderer in the alternate, they do exactly the same thing.

712
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:44.880
But that's one of our regulars.

713
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.860
So we've got an automatic reason to give a shit.

714
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.880
Not this fella.

715
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.719
Yeah.

716
00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:49.800
No, that's right.

717
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:50.639
That's right.

718
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:55.139
Yeah, that's another one where one of our people gets...

719
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:57.539
Yes, gets the title.

720
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:00.539
All right.

721
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.579
So are you going to do something now, Hengus, or are you just going to stare looking blue-eyed?

722
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.320
I'm just doing something.

723
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:11.880
I mean, I would never say I'm there saying I want a woman to be murdered, but I'm glad something's about to happen.

724
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:17.639
Oh, no, we're about to see again, we're about to find out what the fucking knife is made out of.

725
00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:22.260
No stone is left unturned in this episode.

726
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:23.699
Jesus Christ.

727
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.639
Guess what?

728
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:35.280
It just comes, point of origin is the cutlery shop, the kitchen appliances shop down the road from where Mr. Hengist lives.

729
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.699
So boring.

730
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:39.360
Here he goes.

731
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:39.900
Here he goes.

732
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.639
He's going to snap any second.

733
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.500
Look at how it goes.

734
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.019
Look, look at that stamen.

735
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.320
He's like, he's a foot taller.

736
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.960
His head his head is twice tall.

737
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.239
He's got a bald wig on.

738
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.539
He just leaps up and kicks Kirk in the chest, which is pretty great.

739
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.039
He's got a lot shorter again.

740
00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:04.559
Yeah, that's right.

741
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:08.639
So now he's escaped into the computer and we have...

742
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.019
I did like this, Nathan.

743
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:10.500
No, no.

744
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.800
Wait, because I like the weird voice that they used and the lights are going down.

745
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:16.139
And again I'm like, what the fuck is happening here?

746
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.840
But this is 10 minutes.

747
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:24.000
So we've got 10 minutes ago and we've run out of things to do with this premise.

748
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:29.579
And so the premises now that Jack the Ripper has control of the Enterprise computer.

749
00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:34.980
And he says a bunch of dumb things that aren't really scary and it ends up not being very atmospheric.

750
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:40.559
Well, you feel like, you know, if Jack the Ripper had control of a starship, I can't believe I just said those words.

751
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:41.940
But if he did.

752
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:42.659
Yeah, yeah.

753
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:44.099
Well, you could do some...

754
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:47.880
You could do some really probably some things, you know?

755
00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:48.659
Yeah.

756
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:53.820
So we've, I mean, we've had the crew scared, haven't we?

757
00:48:54.900 --> 00:49:05.519
And tents and stuff and fighting among themselves and hearing voices over the scanner and not knowing what it is and being afraid for their lives and stuff.

758
00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:10.320
We've had real tension and stuff on the show before, but there's none of that here.

759
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:17.099
And particularly since the way that they decide to solve the fear problem is so fucking stupid.

760
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:20.760
We're just going to take a bunch of drugs.

761
00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.260
We're going to take a bunch of drugs.

762
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:28.199
And this line actually made me laugh out loud, which is I've got enough drugs to tranquillise an active volcano.

763
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:30.179
What is this?

764
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:31.320
Yeah, that's right.

765
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.880
That's, yeah, yeah.

766
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.139
Jesus Christ.

767
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:39.360
So now they're just going to take a fucking bunch of...

768
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:49.019
Whilst the computer's cackling and you're just like, well, I said I like original Star Trek to be weird, but within reason.

769
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:50.639
No, and it's so stupid.

770
00:49:50.639 --> 00:50:05.519
And there's rule one of drugs on television, which is everyone on television has better drugs than you because like the way these people behave on drugs is well and truly beyond the way that anyone I know or have ever seen has behaved on drugs.

771
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.380
Oh, here's a moment where the lift is falling.

772
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:08.880
Sure, you've got the rippers in.

773
00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:11.820
It should be trying to kill them all in various spectacular ways.

774
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:22.800
But, you know, like the lift's going to move and then he's going to yell and then he's turning the live support off, but he's not going to do that because he wants to make us scared 1st and blah, blah, blah.

776
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.519
Do you know what I mean?

777
00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:26.519
It's all very... imagination here, isn't it?

778
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:27.300
Yeah.

779
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:27.900
Yeah.

780
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:33.300
In both parts of the plot, in the procedural murder mystery and in this.

781
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:36.300
Yeah, I mean, just I just think this is bad.

782
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:41.880
So the 2 ways that they deal with this deal with the situation, oh, you're all going to die.

783
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:50.099
You know, um, so we all take a bunch of drugs so that we don't care that we're going to be killed is step one.

784
00:50:50.159 --> 00:51:02.820
And then the other step they have is they trick, they get the computer to concentrate on calculating the last digit of pi.

785
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:14.159
And any, like, like there, Yeah, like the computer doesn't know what any rational number is.

786
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:20.340
And so it sets about trying to calculate the last digit of pi rather than saying it's an irrational number.

787
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.559
Look it up on Wikipedia, you stupid person.

788
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:24.539
There is no last digit of pi.

789
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.699
And so it's like, and that sort of stuff is kind of cute.

790
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:36.539
You know, the logical paradox, you know, Spock tells a logical paradox to the computer and the computer blows up or whatever.

791
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.420
So there's something cute and Star Trek about it.

792
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.500
Yeah, we've been heading too.

793
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.739
No, they're missing where women are being killed.

794
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:47.820
Yeah, it's got nothing to do. with Jack the Ripper.

795
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:58.260
They literally distract the computer by getting it to do something spectacularly dumb while they all get off their tits on fucking whatever the hell.

796
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:04.260
I think Bones uses to tranquillise an active volcano. that's the end of the episode.

797
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:09.960
Common complaint that you could have at Star Trek or bad Star Trek is they think the idea is enough.

798
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:17.099
Yes, that's the problem. they think, oh, such an entire Jack the Ripper is in charge of the enterprise, you know?

799
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.840
And he's going, you will all die horribly in searing pain.

800
00:52:21.900 --> 00:52:28.199
And then you've got spot gang, he is attempting to generate terror, captain, and you can cut off the option.

801
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.659
Just fucking do it.

802
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.760
Stop talking to us.

803
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.300
And Sully's been to a lot of dance parties.

804
00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:36.840
Look at it.

805
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.039
He's kicking in right now.

806
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.579
Oh, this is taking me back, Nathan.

807
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:47.340
I think there was a few Asian blokes involved as well, you know.

808
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.440
God, it's so bad.

809
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:57.780
So this is a class A compulsory directive, and it's just so dumb.

810
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.000
Compute to the last edge of the value of pi.

811
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.800
It's ridiculous.

812
00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:05.340
I mean, at least you could say this is not a predictable episode.

813
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:09.659
Because you can never predict this is where we'd end up.

814
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.519
Yeah, that's exactly right.

815
00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:18.179
And that could have been good if anything in the episode had been good, but because everything's sort of terrible.

816
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.739
Do you think there's a lot of original series Star Trek like this, you know?

817
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:26.880
Have we just been extraordinarily lucky?

818
00:53:27.659 --> 00:53:37.619
Look, I think we have been lucky and I think there are episodes where you kind of go. actually they have worked out what they're doing yet and that's the problem with what's happening.

819
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.780
But I mean, look at how stupid this is.

820
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.059
Like everyone's kind of greening and stuff.

821
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.840
It's just ridiculous. funny or is it scary?

822
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.619
No?

823
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.000
Well, I, no, I think it's stupid.

824
00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:49.199
I mean, it's annoying.

825
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:50.039
I don't think it's scary.

826
00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:52.019
But it's going for both, you know?

827
00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:58.920
Because like when Jack the Reaper gets hold of the computer, all he does is say, you will die horribly in searing pain.

828
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.860
Like, you know, like it doesn't do anything.

829
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.099
You see the fellow's back there with one. hands behind his head.

830
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.900
He can't even be bothered to act drunk.

831
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.800
Oh, yeah, wow.

832
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.059
It might take up knitting.

833
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:18.719
Oh, dear.

834
00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:21.659
It's so bad, isn't it?

835
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:22.800
It's just super bad.

836
00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:28.739
Well, you see, do you remember, do you remember the end of the doomsday machine where we had that incredibly intense situation?

837
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:34.380
And then the comedy of Kirk going, hello, get me out of here now.

838
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.619
Yeah, gentlemen, beam me out, you know.

839
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.179
It was scary and it was funny.

840
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:40.079
They can do it.

841
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:40.980
They can do it.

842
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:41.940
Yeah.

843
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:49.679
And I think there were moments there that kind of fell flat that weren't perfect that weren't what you would do now, but it was one hell of a better, oh, like this.

844
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:51.659
This is so bad.

845
00:54:51.719 --> 00:55:01.019
Now he's back in hand, and then, wait, wait, there is the stuntman again, and there's him back.

846
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.019
Like, you can't object to that.

847
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.300
That's just stupid and that's TV production and stuff, but it is kind of fun. the lights down, great. you know.

848
00:55:12.059 --> 00:55:13.619
Die, die, die, everyone.

849
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.099
Look at these things that the scary thing is thinking of saying.

850
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.480
Everybody to die.

851
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:20.699
Yeah, kill you all.

852
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.679
Like, they're so bad.

853
00:55:22.739 --> 00:55:25.079
It's so low effort, isn't it?

854
00:55:25.139 --> 00:55:26.519
It's just so shit.

855
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.679
There's no effort drug acting going on in the corridor.

856
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.539
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:50.699
So now this guy who's at the at the transporter controls is Lieutenant, Kyle, and he is in more than one of these episodes, but the new Lieutenant, Kyle, in Strange New Worlds, who is the transporter chief, who flirts with, yeah, yeah.

858
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.559
Yeah, flirts with that guy.

859
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.579
That should be different, doesn't he?

860
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:55.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

861
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.019
He's much younger and much prettier and not blonde.

862
00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:05.400
So now, now, um, now fucking Bones is raided the medicine cupboard and he's off his face as well.

863
00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:11.579
So, and we've just, you know, pressed the, the, it dispersed it into space button.

864
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:12.599
Like, that's it.

865
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:13.139
We're done.

866
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:14.039
Do you know what I mean?

867
00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:19.619
It's boring. pre-programmed laughter at the end of this one because they're all high as fuck, you know?

868
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

869
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:26.940
Oh, and it even has that terrible kind of crap joke music.

870
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.400
Like it has the standard shitty.

871
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:32.340
We're doing a joke music at the end of a Star Trek episode.

872
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:44.639
So, so the conclusion here is we need to get it inside somebody, and then we need to beam that person out into space, that person will die, but the force will live, but not on the ship.

873
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.380
Yeah, and we're not very clear about whether he's the guy or not.

874
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:50.639
Like, do you know what I mean?

875
00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:56.519
Like, he seems to be the guy in a way that Scotty wasn't the guy.

876
00:56:56.579 --> 00:57:01.920
But none of that is very clear because no one gives a shit, you know, in the episode.

877
00:57:01.980 --> 00:57:04.019
Oh, no, this.

878
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:07.320
We're going to go and sleaze onto some unfortunate women.

879
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.400
And then they decide not to for no reason and that's funny.

880
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:14.099
Yeah, don't. fucking sober down.

881
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:15.840
Spock's giving him a look.

882
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:17.099
Just like I would be.

883
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:17.760
Yeah.

884
00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:20.760
Yeah, no, it's just super embarrassing.

885
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:22.500
Oh, that woman walked past off a face.

886
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:22.980
Look at that.

887
00:57:23.940 --> 00:57:27.420
Oh, no, just saying she was paused waiting outside the door.

888
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:28.920
Go, go, go, go.

889
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.239
Oh, God.

890
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:34.679
Thank God that's over.

891
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.000
Enough for adventure.

892
00:57:36.059 --> 00:57:38.579
I thought that was...

893
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.059
Yeah, terrible.

894
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.159
I don't think I've had so little to say about an episode since we did dramatist persona.

895
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.260
Yeah, yeah.

896
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:52.619
Well, I think it's because it is so bad, you know, like it just fails to do anything at all.

897
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.760
And I think it's both premises are flawed.

898
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:00.960
The murder mystery and Jack the Ripper in charge of the ship.

899
00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:02.219
Yeah.

900
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.260
But I think maybe with a lot of tweaking, like, could work.

901
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.119
Oh, look, yeah, I think if you wrote an episode, do you know what I mean?

902
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:36.719
If you didn't just come up with an idea and then run that idea for 50 minutes until we all lost the will to live and had to take a bunch of drugs, I guess, you know, but you have to write an episode that has turns and that, you know, things change, people learn things, not just having stuff coughed up to them, not just having the premise explained to them.

903
00:58:36.780 --> 00:58:38.460
But yeah, that, that, you know what?

904
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:42.360
When we were going through those 15 minutes, you were absolutely right.

905
00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:45.300
They were just literally covering all bases of the premise.

906
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.239
So spelling out the idea for 15 minutes.

907
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:49.139
Exactly.

908
00:58:49.139 --> 00:58:51.119
There's no time to deal with it.

909
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:52.559
No.

910
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.380
Yeah, then we've got 10 minutes of it going die, die, die, kill, kill, until we make it start.

911
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:02.460
If you are going to do a storyline about a malevolent gaseous entity.

912
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.619
At least have...

913
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.739
Gates McFadden masturbating to it or something like that, you know?

914
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

915
00:59:09.179 --> 00:59:14.639
Yeah, no, I still think lonely among us where the captain beams off the ship in order to go fucking nebula.

916
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:19.860
Like, I, you know, like neither of those episodes are successful.

917
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.719
You know, neither...

918
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:22.559
Lonely Among Us.

919
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.780
It's got that amazing subplot with the Sele and the Anton Bellibus that are hunting each other through the ship.

920
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.739
It's like, yeah.

921
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:34.619
But both of them are functional bits of television in a way that this just isn't at all.

922
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.139
That this one doesn't have a plot.

923
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:47.159
And so I think it's a failure in the League of Manhunt, which is also just spinning out the running time until we hit the closing credits.

924
00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:49.739
And I think that this is what that's doing.

925
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:55.079
It's got maybe 2 ideas, but they never develop a plot around those ideas.

926
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:58.260
They just beat the ideas to death.

927
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.059
Unlike manhunt, though.

928
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.980
I think this could have had potential.

929
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.619
Yeah, they just fudged it.

930
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.980
And you know, I think this might be, and we talked about this.

931
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.159
You know, these nowadays, they do how long's the season now?

932
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:14.519
Oh, like 10 episodes, right?

933
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:21.179
You're pretty sure on the whole, you're going to get 10 competent bits of television, you know, which they're putting a lot of love in.

934
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:26.039
You know, in original series adding 90s, they're churning out 25 odd episodes a year.

935
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:31.199
And so the eye's got to be off the ball at some and this is one of those times, I think.

936
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:40.860
But it's also a thing that I sort of say a lot that we get better at making and consuming television as time goes on. you know.

937
01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:44.639
And in my lifetime, that's clearly happened.

938
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:47.280
The things that were, this was made before I was born.

939
01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:49.860
But only just before I was born.

940
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:57.900
And in my lifetime television has got better at telling stories and we've got better at consuming TV stories.

941
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:11.099
And I think that this is an incompetent hour of television, that, you know, I don't think it compares to anything quite in 90s trek because they've come up with a premise and they've done nothing at all with it.

942
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.539
All they've done is waste our time.

943
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.239
I don't think the premise is all that good.

944
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:23.579
I think it's borderline offensive, but it could have been made to work, but no one seems to have felt the necessity of doing that.

945
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.440
But I think it's bad.

946
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:32.159
Well, say, compared to all in artist trek, except manhunt, which is has exactly the same problem.

947
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.380
Yeah, well, yeah.

948
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:46.079
I mean, something like threshold, again, part of the problem with that is it has an idea and it's unpleasant to watch and the ending is stupid and maybe what's the one?

949
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:49.920
Is it, um, course oblivion, which again is sort of similar.

950
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:50.880
They have one idea.

951
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:54.000
It produces ridiculous visuals.

952
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:56.940
It's unpleasant to watch and it goes precisely.

953
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:58.739
But it's like a camp bit of schlock.

954
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.699
You can watch those episodes, you know, as I sort of so bad, it's good.

955
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:08.699
Well, and this is maybe that, and there are probably people who can enjoy that.

956
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:09.360
Do you know what I mean?

957
01:02:09.420 --> 01:02:11.880
Like I can see it is camp and sort of ridiculous and stuff.

958
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:16.559
But I just think that the stabbing women to death elements of it.

959
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.360
Kind of, isn't it?

960
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:22.079
Yeah, just unpleasant. you know what's the biggest insult of all?

961
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:22.920
Do you know what's next?

962
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:24.840
you know what the next episode is after this?

963
01:02:24.900 --> 01:02:25.739
No.

964
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:27.239
It's the trouble with Tribbles.

965
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:29.460
Wow.

966
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:30.780
Yeah, yeah.

967
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.239
They knew how to make good TV, but they didn't always succeed at doing it, I think, is the problem.

968
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:56.820
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next, and you had the randomiser last time Joe, so it's my turn now, and we're going to pick a random 90s trek episode.

969
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.059
That's a super boring premise, but let's just go with that.

970
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.860
Well, 2 things.

971
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:07.320
One is I'm angry because I don't get to press the button, but two, I'm happy that fucking episode is over.

972
01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:08.519
Press the button.

973
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:08.940
Yeah.

974
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:09.719
Okay.

975
01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:11.099
Oh, dear.

976
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:18.119
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is Cathexus from season one.

977
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:19.739
Do you know what that one is?

978
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:24.300
Is it Chakotay becomes a disembodied deadly floating around the ship?

979
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.960
In series one. churning out that nonsense in the 1st year.

980
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:29.579
Press it, okay.

981
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.300
Ridiculous.

982
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:30.780
Okay.

983
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:34.739
Oh, this is kind of terrible as well.

984
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:43.980
This is part of the Star Trek, the Next Generation, the season 7 festival of finding and or losing family members.

985
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.619
It could be anyone in the regulars then.

986
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:47.340
Yeah.

987
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:48.900
So it's interface.

988
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.780
So we get Geordie loses his mum.

989
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:56.039
It has some interesting visuals and stuff, but it is kind of boring. incredibly boring.

990
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:57.420
And this was boring.

991
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.519
So I don't think we should do 2 boring ones on the troll.

992
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:01.199
No, let's try another one.

993
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.360
Ooh.

994
01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:04.920
Oh, okay.

995
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:11.579
This is an important one to both of us for very strange reason.

996
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.000
Here we go.

997
01:04:12.059 --> 01:04:19.860
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season two, episode six, Melora.

998
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.780
Oh my god.

999
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:25.019
It's Daphne Ashbrook.

1000
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:29.400
Yeah, Daphne Ashbrook is in it. whom I haven't met.

1001
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:30.840
Have you met Daphne Ashbrook?

1002
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:35.880
Well, no, but I've been made to listen to autobiography, which went on for 8 hours, so I feel as if I have.

1003
01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:36.480
Yeah.

1004
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.380
Yeah.

1005
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:38.639
Has Mark met her?

1006
01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:46.800
Uh, no, but I did do a um, a cameo video for him where she, I was declaring my love to him.

1007
01:04:46.860 --> 01:04:55.619
And so she's going, well, Mark, I thought I was going to write you a love song or a love poem for Joe, but instead I'm just going to declare his love for you.

1008
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.780
It's sorry.

1009
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:03.059
So you paid Daphne Ashbrook as part of the seduction process.

1010
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.199
Is that what you're saying?

1011
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:05.400
Yes.

1012
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.420
Okay, that's awesome.

1013
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.320
Guess what?

1014
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:08.579
We're still together a year later.

1015
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:10.559
It worked.

1016
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:15.719
Do you know, I will just I just say one thing about Melora, though, because because we're not going to do it.

1017
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:21.059
It has the all-time most stupidest design of alien creature.

1018
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:26.219
I don't know if you recall, but his nose and his mouth are connected, right?

1019
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.400
With like a, you know, a bit of flesh.

1020
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:32.460
And then they force him to do an eating scene.

1021
01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:38.639
It's literally 100% Beaumont.

1022
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:41.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah. is pretty bad.

1023
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:42.059
All right.

1024
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:43.260
Okay, let's try another one.

1025
01:05:43.739 --> 01:05:49.980
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season five, episode 21.

1026
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.500
Soldiers of the Empire.

1027
01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:56.940
Oh, that was Ron Moore trying to do his Klingon spinoff.

1028
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.099
It was basically like a backdoor pilot.

1029
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.300
Oh, wow.

1030
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.179
Or a Kling hospital, but we have done a lot of DS9 lately.

1031
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:04.679
Okay.

1032
01:06:04.739 --> 01:06:05.280
All right.

1033
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:06.840
Should I take DS9 off the table?

1034
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:08.400
Possibly, yeah, maybe just for this one.

1035
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:09.000
Yeah.

1036
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:10.199
Okay, all right.

1037
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:11.219
Let's try again.

1038
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.119
It is a shame because Dax is brilliant in that episode.

1039
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.820
Oh, you're smiling.

1040
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:18.960
So you're smiling.

1041
01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:20.400
Yeah.

1042
01:06:20.460 --> 01:06:24.000
This is kind of a terrible episode, but I sort of like it.

1043
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:30.119
So it's your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is the masterpiece society.

1044
01:06:30.179 --> 01:06:31.619
What's that?

1045
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:39.300
That's Deanna has sex with the leader of a planet and gets in trouble.

1046
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:40.739
Is it that one?

1047
01:06:40.739 --> 01:06:43.679
No, no, no, no. as a whisper from season two.

1048
01:06:43.739 --> 01:06:59.099
So this is a planet that's a very planned planet where everyone has their role and assigned genetic, you know, partners and stuff like that. and Deanna goes down there and is having sex with the leader of the planet and wrecking the whole thing.

1049
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.199
Really well characterising this.

1050
01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:04.739
I seem to remember when I was watching through and I'm like, ooh, they're getting her right.

1051
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.400
I think this is where we 1st learn about chocolate, that she's a bit of a kinky bitch.

1052
01:07:08.579 --> 01:07:10.260
Yeah, yeah.

1053
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.760
Yeah, I think maybe we should do that one.

1054
01:07:11.820 --> 01:07:12.480
Yeah, why not?

1055
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:13.800
Okay, that sounds like fun.

1056
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:17.159
I seem to remember the fella that she's fucking is pretty hot as well.

1057
01:07:17.219 --> 01:07:19.380
Yeah, I think he is good looking.

1058
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:19.980
Yeah.

1059
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.420
Yeah, I think that'd be fun.

1060
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.480
And at last, a Troy episode.

1061
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:26.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1062
01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:27.480
Brilliant.

1063
01:07:36.539 --> 01:07:40.800
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek with Joe Fawn and Nathan Bottomley.

1064
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:47.099
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook and YouTube channel.

1065
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:52.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1066
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:57.960
This episode was recorded on the 9th of May 2023 and released on the 19th of May.

1067
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:02.820
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the Masterpiece Society.

1068
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:21.899
Wow.

1069
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:24.300
I think we should start on that line.

1070
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:25.859
And you have to make good TV.

1071
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:26.159
Yeah.

1072
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.079
I always have the out.

1073
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:28.979
You have the out.

1074
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:30.359
Okay, I'll have the out.

1075
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.140
You have more interesting things to say about that bit of nonsense than I did.

1076
01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:38.640
I got so angry about it and I think that...

1077
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:39.720
That's always a good movie.

1078
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:43.680
Oh, so bad.

1079
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:44.460
It's your turn.

1080
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:45.720
Oh, is that?

1081
01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:46.199
Yeah.

1082
01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:47.760
I have to think.

1083
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:54.420
God, whatever it is, it ain't gonna be as much of a struggle as that was.

1084
01:08:54.539 --> 01:08:55.979
No.

1085
01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:13.800
I said, so this Friday, it's a very important day.

1086
01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:17.760
Um, Go on.

1087
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:24.420
So this Friday, it's a very important day, obviously, because uh...

1088
01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:27.899
Is your birthday, isn't it?

1089
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:28.800
Is it this Friday?

1090
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:29.760
Friday is my birthday.

1091
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:31.500
I was trying to forget about it, but yeah, thank you.

1092
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:32.579
That's what I thought.

1093
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:33.180
Sorry.

1094
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:34.920
Why are you trying to forget about it?

1095
01:09:34.979 --> 01:09:36.779
Oh, we free?

1096
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.560
I don't want to celebrate getting older anymore.

1097
01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:43.260
Yeah, well, what's the option?

1098
01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:44.880
We're going away and that's going to be not.

1099
01:09:44.939 --> 01:09:46.319
I still don't know what...

1100
01:09:46.380 --> 01:09:46.800
No clue.

1101
01:09:46.859 --> 01:10:02.399
So, breath, the next Zelda game, which is called Tears of the Kingdom. comes out and I literally spent 100s of hours playing Breath of the Wild and exploring this massive space and stuff and it's a really engaging game and it's fun.

1102
01:10:02.460 --> 01:10:03.300
The music's beautiful.

1103
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:04.380
It's beautifully designed.

1104
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:05.760
It's really engrossing.

1105
01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:06.899
It's coming out.

1106
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.659
It's been delayed, it's coming up this Friday.

1107
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:15.659
And um, So I said, oh, well, I'm, I'm, and the exams are happening.

1108
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.539
And so I said, I know we'll just do a short trek.

1109
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.220
I'm like, wait.

1110
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:23.640
But I'm not going to do that.

1111
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.340
Although we have only done one short.

1112
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:27.539
I hate that, aren't we?

1113
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.039
Yeah that's right.

1114
01:10:29.100 --> 01:10:30.119
Oh, I see.

1115
01:10:30.180 --> 01:10:31.680
So you'd have to make it scorpion.

1116
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:40.739
No, no, I'm editing Scorpion tomorrow and the night after, and then I'll edit this one for the following week, and so it doesn't matter.

1117
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:41.579
I'm joking.

1118
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:42.539
We won ahead.

1119
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:43.739
What should we do?

1120
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.439
Let's not do original or animated or a film.