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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back.

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We're back on opposite sides of the world and we...

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That was so much fun, but we're resuming our random amble through

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the Star Trek franchise, and as we rolled much earlier this year

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we are doing episode 8 of Strange New Worlds, which is called the

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Elysian Kingdom.

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And to my delight, we got to watch episodes 8 and 9 together when

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you were here in England.

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And boy, what a pair of episodes they were.

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That's pretty good.

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If people ever suggest that Strange New Worlds is a bit one note

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and just a love letter to TOS.

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It certainly is not.

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This is, you know, madcap fantasy with a touch of tragedy.

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And the annoying was the scariest fucking thing I've ever seen. in

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Star Trek.

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I reckon in series one of Discovery, when they were kind of trying

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to distinguish themselves and say this is what Star Trek's like

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now, they did have an episode a bit like that.

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Remember where they went to Discovery Sistership and the Tartar

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Grade was tearing people to pieces and it was like incredibly gory

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and gruesome?

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But that was, that was great.

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And I think what they do really well in Strange New Worlds is they

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stake out the area that Star Trek's going to operate in and that

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they make it very clear what sort of show it is.

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And that area is just a lot like original Star Trek.

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And I think that's so good.

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I love its simplicity.

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I love the fact that these are standalone episodes for the most

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part.

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There's some loose arcs running through the year, but it's not

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it's not heavy.

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Like, I don't know, series one of Picard or Discovery, which were

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you know, big, big novels being told over a season.

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So to me, this feels absolutely original and 90s trek as well.

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I sent a message to you earlier because I watched this again this

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morning and watching this episode back.

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I think it's one of the strongest of that 1st year, but it's not

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doing anything especially original. i.e. we've, you know, tarted

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up the sets before we've had a storybook come to life before.

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We've had people acting out of character before, and we've had, you

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know, lonely entities.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, we've had about 15 of those episodes, if you

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look backwards.

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What's great about this is it's sort of playing in that sandbox

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with these new characters and this entire cast of characters is

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fantastic.

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So it's doing all those Star Trek cliches, but in a really fun.

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There's the whole new energy to it because it's with these

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characters.

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Yeah.

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And the thing is, too, like we said this about dramatis persona.

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There was no energy at all, Matt.

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And everyone says this about the naked now that that was too early

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in the run to be doing an episode where everyone acts wildly out

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of character.

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Plenty of sexual energy in that one.

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You, horny, rod and b-sexual air and energy.

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Not now, doctor.

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But these characters are so well-drawn, so well-drawn immediately

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and so likeable.

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And it's not just that it's those characters who we've known for a

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long time.

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It is just these actors and this writing that managed to produce a

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group of really likeable, really well-drawn people.

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And in fact, perhaps the person who has had the least kind of

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character work by this point is Dr. Mabengo.

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He's perhaps the one that we know the least, although he has had

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this kind of running plot for quite a while, I think.

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And certainly last week, I don't know that you've seen episode

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seven, have you?

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It's called...

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No, there's 2 I haven't seen 7 and 10.

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Yeah. 7 is very, very good, and he does have a subplot about Rukia

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and Dr. Mabengo, and so it does lead sort of very well into this.

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And I think what they said at the time, when they were making it

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it was going to have character arcs, but not plot arcs was the

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plan.

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So refreshing.

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Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

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So the characters do move, things happen.

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Like things like chapel and Spock's relationship, um, you know

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Spock, uh, and to bring, um, we get a mention of Pike's eventual

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fate quite early on, and then that's dealt with at the end of the

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series.

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Like all of those sorts of things do happen.

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And so they make us feel like we are in a world where things

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happen, but they don't have kind of long term products.

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I think that works really well.

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I really like, I've not seen this sort of configuration of a crew

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before.

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So you've got a captain who hogs the limelight, the least of any

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captain I've ever seen, and it's so generous as an actor and some

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mouth, that he gives so much space to all the other actor, but

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he's very charming and laid back and you want to watch him

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anyway.

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You've got like Uhura reimagined as somebody with massive agency

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and smarts and who gets involved in the plots in a, you know

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really proper way.

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Unlike, you know, I like old Ahura, don't get me wrong.

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She was groundbreaking, but she was very often stuck there with

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her finger on her ear, saying, Captain, something's coming

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through.

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Um, you've got, uh, like, you say, Dr. MaBenge?

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you say it?

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You say, but this is the episode where he gets his character

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development.

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And beautifully so as well because he's so understated as an

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actor.

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Giving him this madcap comedy episode for the 1st 2 thirds.

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It's almost unthinkable, but then it hits in the last 3rd where he

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shows more emotion than pretty much any other character in this

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show to this point.

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Like he's so moving towards, you know, and I think as a

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performance piece, this shows what he can do, the actor.

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What's the femme's name?

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Let's get this now.

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Yeah, no, it's I haven't never heard it said aloud.

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So it's Babs or Loosen McCoon, but I've never heard.

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I've never heard anyone say it aloud, so I may well have stuffed

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it up.

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And he is a character from original track.

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He does appear in a few episodes.

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You've also got fabulous Nurse Chapel, you know, no longer weeping

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over Spock every 2 minutes and it's actually just very charming

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and cute and, you know, doing a lot as well.

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And, you know, my, what we did strange new worlds, the pilot, I

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said the one character I was a bit uncertain about was, you know

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angry, tough as boots, la arm.

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I was like, oh, good grief, she's a bit much, isn't she?

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What come the end of the season?

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I think she might be my favourite character in the show.

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She goes on a hell of a journey and may I say her performance in

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this episode. something else.

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She's incredible in this.

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What's the actress's name?

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It's Christina Chong, who was, of course, in Doctor Who's, uh, good

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man goes to.

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No, is it a good man goes to war?

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A good man goes to war, but we will not hold that against her.

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All right?

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I quite like that.

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But she is.

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She's fantastic in this, and I thought she was really good in

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episode one, but she's great here.

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Yeah, but then in the next episode, you know, it's a gore episode

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and, you know, that her backstory is the gore one has torn through

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you know, pretty much everyone she's ever known.

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And she's angry and she's like, you know, military.

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And in this, she's a cutesy wootsy princess with her little

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doggy.

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You know, my little popsicle, you know. so funny.

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It's actual.

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Yeah, you can tell it's licking her.

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It's licking her everywhere.

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It's okay.

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It's so funny.

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But you know what?

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Like, what I really loved about this particular episode as well

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beyond the fact that it does do something very unusual, and that

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is turn the comedy into tragedy in that last third, which I think

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it does, exceptionally.

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And to change tones like that.

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Yeah.

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It's not easy, especially when what you've had before is so far.

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But what I think is funny is that the area that it stakes out as

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one of the kinds of things this version of Star Trek can do isn't

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an episode that Discovery could ever do.

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Discovery couldn't do an episode like this at all.

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And series one of Discovery has Harry Mudd, in 2 episodes, it's

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got a time loop episode.

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It's got a mirror universe thing, it's very definitely saying that

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we do crazy, crappy 60s Star Trek as well, but it doesn't go as

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far as this.

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It's got an edge to it, though.

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All of those episodes had a bit of an edge to them, the discovery

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ones.

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This is just really charming and silly.

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And a bit childish.

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I don't think discovery would ever go there.

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No, I don't either.

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The closest it gets is when Harry Mudd meets his, you know, his

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girlfriend and her father.

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It's kind of like crappy 60s trek comes in and claims Harry Mudd

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because that's where he really belongs.

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The Discovery characters are looking at each other like what is

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going on there?

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This is not the show we're normally in.

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That's it.

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That's exactly it Whereas everyone in this embraces it and, you

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know, everyone's getting a chance to play out of character.

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So we're getting to see what they can do away from their usual

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characters and they're all just brilliant.

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I think the weakest was probably.

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Oh, good grief.

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I was so terrible with the names.

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The helmsman.

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Oh, um, so that's Erica.

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No, I don't think she's terrible.

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I just think I just think she's great.

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She's not a 1000000 miles away from what she normally plays

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whereas everybody else is completely... well, I don't know.

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Well, Ethan Pike has the brooding Lords of the Rings-esque fellow

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with a big sword.

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And he's smoking hot in this, isn't he?

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He really is.

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I think that what they do, how she's playing against type, is that

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her and Pike, have, you know, like Erica and Pike, have this kind

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of sexy flirty thing going on in the bridge, and because she's

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coded as queer, it doesn't matter. you know, like it's not creepy

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or anything, but he'll say something sort of super relaxed about

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getting the ship in, you know, hit it and then she'll say

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something, you know, and they have that sort of comedy flirty

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relationship.

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And so to make the antagonist in the in the story as well, it's

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fun, I think, and that's how she's playing against type.

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Also, the trouble is.

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We've, we've adds.

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Yeah, of course.

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We've had some mouth as this obsequious, cowardy leash.

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She hasn't got a hope because all you're just looking at him.

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And I've got to say, again, very selfless because you would

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imagine, if this was Shatner, he'd be playing the Warrior King

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with the big sword, you know?

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He wouldn't be the one on his knees going, oh, oh, you know, I'll

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obey anybody, you know, just don't kill me.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Shannon can do comedy.

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Shatner can be funny, but I don't think he's a generous actor

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always to the service of his ego.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, that's a mouth. don't know.

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I just don't think he needs it pampered.

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He's just happy to be there.

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And he's really great in this, I think is great.

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So what do you reckon?

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should probably watch it.

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We should, I think.

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We've discussed plenty of it already, but there's more to say.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so we've got our...

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Star Trek logo.

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Did I do this appropriate show now?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's their big, this is a big franchise thing they're doing.

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Oh, I wonder...

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Yeah, we get that.

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Do you know what?

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Do you know what I especially liked about this, you know, was how

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it reminded me of those, you know, 90s trek episodes like Masked

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where they just turned the shit.

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They put a few drapes up and a few popcorns. and then pretend

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pretend we're in, you know, some magical kingdom.

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So this is introducing us to that plot from an episode earlier in

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the season.

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But it has this thing where he says something about the ending.

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It doesn't mean this story's ending can't miraculously change.

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And in fact, I think the one weakness that this script has is that

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the, the plot of the fantasy thing is really undercooked, but

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there is an attempt to kind of link the 2 plots together, the

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fantasy plot and the Mabenga plot, and it doesn't quite land.

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But in this conversation where he is speaking to his daughter, to

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Rakia, there is a kind of thing about, can we change the ending of

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the story?

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Like this story is heading towards her death.

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We need to get a better ending and the thing where he discovers

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that it's her that the story is being taken from is when she

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changes the ending.

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Yeah.

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So...

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Well, for me, I was like, are we going around in circles quite a

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lot just talking about this?

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What is it they're all looking for?

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All the characters?

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The magical crystal... stone?

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Is it there?

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There's something stone.

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They're all after this amazing thing. it turns out it is the

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little girl.

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But we have to go through him experiencing all of those characters

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together in order for him to realise, actually, the story is not

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coming from the book.

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It's coming from the girl.

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Because I was like, okay, where's this going?

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And then I was like, okay, we're going for all of this so he can

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make that realisation.

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And he too, that's kind of cool that what she wants to change

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about the story is she wants 2 of the characters to come

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together.

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You know, 2 characters who ordinarily wouldn't meet come together

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and then they, the problem is solved and that's what happens at

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the end. you know, like so that, but all of that is just not quite

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there.

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But it is very realistic because I remember reading books as a kid

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you know, and I'd be like, oh, I want to get to the Daleks, you

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know, this is boring.

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Let's skip ahead.

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Yeah.

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So this story, the Elysian Kingdom is written by Benny Russell.

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It is on the front.

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I think you know Russell...

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Yeah.

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I was going to say there's 2 influen- 2 DS9 influencers here.

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One is obviously Benny Russell is Cisco's alter ego in the car

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race infused alternative timeline there, but also as well, I was

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like, you know, this is a, they're showing a black man being very

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sensitive with a child, which is something that DS9 kind of

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brought to the trick universe in a massive way.

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I think their mother, like her mother is dead.

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I think Deborah is dead and that's the idea, isn't it?

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Like, it's not a divorce.

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Like she names the entity Deborah after her mother.

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So her mother's dead.

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So he's a single father and looking after this girl sort of

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secretly.

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And, and, There's something as well.

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He's African.

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Remember how, remember how Ahura's African, right, in in the 60s

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but she's obviously played by an African-American woman, you know

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um, and I always thought that her being African made her more

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acceptable possibly to a potentially um, racist audience, you know

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because she's not one of the, she's African, you know, she's, she

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speaks Swahili and so on.

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Um, and and so our, you know, Celia Gooding, I keep wanting to

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call her Celia Gooding, Jr.

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Um, Celia Gooding is um, is, you know, also African, even though

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she reads like an African-American.

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This guy gets to do his own accent.

334
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Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

335
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Like, because the show has been too American.

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Like if you think about Star Trek, the next generation, everyone's

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American, aren't they?

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except for Marina and Patrick...

339
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Well, I think it was, again, it was DS Night. because do you

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remember that episode where Cisco's unpacking all of his African

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art?

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and he says, you know, I'm going to put this up around my

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quarters.

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That's how I know this is my home now.

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And it's a massive strength rather than something that the

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audience can use to sort of attack that character with.

347
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And he's African-American, isn't he?

348
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That character is actually from America.

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His father lives in New Orleans and so on, but he's...

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You see the clothes he wears?

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Jeez, yeah, he's conscious of his his African heritage.

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I think, I mean, he's his accent, he's got that really soft voice

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like, um, I think he's sexy as hell, Nathan, you know. so good.

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There's just something... like a quiet strength about him that I

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really like.

356
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Yeah.

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But like, it's interesting.

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Compare him.

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Compare his performance to Avery Brooks.

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If we're saying there, effectively got like the same backstory.

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Like he, I'm not sure this guy could front a show because he is

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too, is a little too uncharismatic.

363
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Yeah, I think that makes him perfect for the role of the doctor.

364
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Yeah, he's really withdrawn and really uncertain and I think he

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plays that really amazingly well.

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Look at this beautiful set.

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I know, it was so funny is when they when they redress it, you

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know, it looks super cheap, but in a wonderful sort of original

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trek way.

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Well, I actually thought, you know, part of the, it's a weird

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decision, isn't it?

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Because, you know, Cupid, I think is the closest that, this is the

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closest analogue, isn't it?

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It's Cupid.

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In terms of them sort of having a laugh has different characters.

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Yeah, putting the period dress on and all of that sort of thing.

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But in terms of redressing the ship is masks, for sure.

378
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Oh yeah, I guess so.

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I guess so.

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I love those curtains though.

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I think I think it looks great.

382
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Well, what's different is the masks?

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Yeah.

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You get all these long shots and everything just looks a bit

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boring, but redressed.

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Whereas here, when all the all the corridors are like forest and

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the cameras sort of going in and out of the trees and doing sort

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of clever things to make you feel like they're outside and the

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lighting's really good.

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But I like the throne room, you know, the fact that this is all in

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these sort of thick green curtains.

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So good.

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I was getting mad intendant vibes from her, you know, we'll get

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there when she's on it later.

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I loved all of this.

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So I loved all of this, how relaxed it was on the bridge and how

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just sort of hanging, hanging out.

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There's nothing going on.

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There's no plot happening.

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And they're just sort of talking and I was like, I could do with a

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bit more of this in Star Trek, you know?

402
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
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Well, that's it.

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Just part of the mechanics of being on the ship.

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And I think, I think, you know, we talk about early, um, Star Trek

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the Next Generation, but series 2 of Star Trek the Next Generation

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has stacks of that just hanging around because they haven't got

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any writers, you know, to make any action happen.

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Manhunt was literally that for an entire episode, wasn't it?

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It was intolerable, wasn't it?

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But I love the relationship between Pike and Erica.

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Holy crap, it's good.

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It's so great.

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Here we go.

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Oh, here we go.

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Right.

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So we are now in the Elysian kingdom, folks.

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Yes.

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And the doctor is dressed up in the most resplendent way.

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You've got the sort of red robes and a fabulous crown on the

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crown.

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I think the crown looks incredible.

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Oh my god.

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Pikes.

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Pikes.

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Pike's got oiled curtains.

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They look amazing.

428
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Well, no, because that hair, that massive wall of hair that sticks

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up all the time and then sort of oiled it so that it's sitting

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flat against his head.

431
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It's so funny and he's what the hell response.

432
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And some of the like a lot of the comedy.

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Oh boy, this theme tune.

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So good.

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I'll say it every time, the bit where it goes, dun, dun, dun, dun

436
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dun, dun.

437
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I love that bit.

438
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Um, I was going to say, yeah, there are a lot of comedy comes from

439
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the fact that he's so understated in his reactions to all of this

440
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insanity that's going on around him.

441
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That's really funny.

442
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It's that sort of area of comedy of, if you don't react to it.

443
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It's funnier than if you do.

444
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Yeah.

445
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

446
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If he'd boggled for that last line, that would...

447
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By finding nothing at all amazing.

448
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It's the funniest thing in the world, you know?

449
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He does get a couple of lines like that throughout the thing.

450
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Gosh, these titles are beautiful as well, aren't they?

451
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It's when it's when the characters that we expect to be very

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serious are outrageous in this.

453
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So that's when the comedy flies.

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Yeah.

455
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Yeah.

456
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Yeah.

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Even the engineer, the engineer gets at least wonderful.

458
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He's so good.

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What's his name?

460
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Uh, um, Hammer.

461
00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.420
Yeah, yeah, Bruce Horror.

462
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What a great little RK ad.

463
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Yeah, yeah.

464
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And I think I think that he was originally not going to be, I

465
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think he was not going to be as big a role initially, but I think

466
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when they decided to kill him in episode nine, They went back and

467
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beefed him up in other things because he's not in every episode.

468
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But he is in the opening titles.

469
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And so...

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Do you know that?

471
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I think I said to you when you were here, that's how you do it.

472
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Like, I remember being appalled by Angels series one where they

473
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introduced a very small core set of regulars and then just

474
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murdered off one of the regulars in episode 6 of a 25 episode

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season.

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And it just felt really, I don't know.

477
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It felt as if the series was getting going and then it was just a

478
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shock to like, are you paid?

479
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Whereas here, you have a 10 episode season.

480
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You introduce a character, you let him get to know everybody else

481
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and then he sort of warms up a little bit, especially in this, and

482
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then you murder him horribly in the penultimate episode.

483
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That's how you do it.

484
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Yeah.

485
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And and I wonder whether they'll keep the core cast all the way

486
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through because one of the things Discovery does is that people

487
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come and go from the ship.

488
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And one of the least realistic things about original Trek is that

489
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everyone is in the same job for 7 years.

490
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And, you know, no one, like that's basically it.

491
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But we love that, don't we?

492
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.720
You know, when I win, yeah.

493
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When they took out Jadzia in series 6, we were appalled.

494
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I mean, we've got history, but yeah, but basically everyone just

495
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sort of sits there for the same amount of time. and they

496
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eventually have to address the fact that it's ludicrous, for

497
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instance, that Rikert doesn't get a promotion, you know.

498
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.000
It should be a joke in lower deck, shouldn't it?

499
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There'd be some really dangerous situation.

500
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And someone should just go, well, don't worry, we'll still be here

501
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in 3 years time.

502
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.200
So we'll be all right, right.

503
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:38.759
Well, Hammer could come back, just like Shacks did or, you know

504
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:39.299
if...

505
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:40.859
That was so funny.

506
00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:43.980
Bring Captain Shaw back in...

507
00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:45.299
How did you come back, Shacks?

508
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.619
You can't know.

509
00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:48.660
Great.

510
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.460
A whole B plot about it.

511
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.220
That was so good.

512
00:23:54.539 --> 00:24:00.059
I think it's great that Erica is now like that character's a man.

513
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.259
I mean, it's, sir, and, sir, and, yeah.

514
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.200
It's that sort of weird thing where Americans think sir, is like

515
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.960
mister, and it goes in front of people's last names instead of

516
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:10.740
their 1st names.

517
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.700
It's very odd.

518
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:16.140
But she's Saradya, who is a man, I think, originally, but it

519
00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:16.740
isn't.

520
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:18.779
Is it specified?

521
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:19.740
I can't remember.

522
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.359
No, I didn't even pick up on it.

523
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.880
I wasn't sure she was playing a man actually until you just sit

524
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:24.660
there, so thank you.

525
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:26.039
Oh, I'm not sure either.

526
00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:30.900
You know, but because the kind of cute relationship that, um, she

527
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:32.519
has with Una.

528
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.160
Last one.

529
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.079
We know each other intimately.

530
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:38.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.359
Quite well.

532
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:42.480
Now, look at, listen to me, Justice, all right?

533
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:43.440
That how you do it, all right?

534
00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.579
Yeah, but that's the other fun thing about Strange New Worlds, is

535
00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:52.140
that Discovery was there, and it was incredibly queer, and it had

536
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:54.779
trans characters and gay characters and so on.

537
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.660
And then they announced Strange New Worlds and said it was going

538
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:58.440
to be more Trad.

539
00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:01.559
And I thought, oh, okay, so is this the version of Star Trek so

540
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.180
that racists can enjoy it?

541
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.339
They were never going to take a backstaff.

542
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:06.359
Of course, they weren't.

543
00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:11.519
And so here's his fabulous Melissa Navia, and I don't know what

544
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.480
her sexuality is.

545
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:15.420
I think she had a husband at some point, but she's definitely

546
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.119
coded as queer, she's definitely playing it that way here.

547
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:21.599
Fabulous characters that are people of colour.

548
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.200
Fabulous.

549
00:25:22.259 --> 00:25:23.160
Like Uhura.

550
00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.200
It's just rock, so good.

551
00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:29.160
Nathan, I still think, you know, I still think that 2nd episode

552
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:30.480
might be the best of the year.

553
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:31.380
Really great.

554
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.240
It's so good, isn't it?

555
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:34.920
It's a beautiful piece of Star Trek.

556
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.220
Yeah, told me, you know, I'll be saying that about the Yahura

557
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.380
episode. in your face.

558
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.980
But, like, it's not just a good episode of Star Trek.

559
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.740
It's not just a good episode of Strangely Worlds.

560
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.599
I think it's a top tier Star Trek episode.

561
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:52.140
Like, I think it's up with getting there with Darmok nearly.

562
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.759
Yeah, in terms of communication, yeah, absolutely.

563
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.640
I'm sorry, if you squint just a little bit here.

564
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:01.319
This could be a next generation episode now.

565
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:04.920
We've got a little bit of miss, bronze coming down, hexagonal

566
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:05.460
corridors.

567
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.839
The way you can tell it's not generation and next generation is

568
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.640
because it's so sophisticatedly lit.

569
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.579
Yeah, yeah, the light is really great, isn't it?

570
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.819
I love how she's now like a hippie chick of some kind.

571
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.440
I'd be a bit annoyed if I was her, though, because everyone else

572
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.059
is having a lot more fun than her.

573
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.500
Yeah, yeah.

574
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:31.680
So they've made Jess, who's Christina Chapel play, sort of, she's

575
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.059
a witch lady, isn't she?

576
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.339
Or something like that, but she sort of downplays it a bit.

577
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.980
She said, and she's a little bit of a hippie.

578
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.799
And I kind of like that because it does work with her, you know.

579
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.839
She's got a contrast again, isn't it?

580
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:47.700
Because normally she's sort of quite energetic and Full on, whereas

581
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:52.920
here she's very restrained and I do like her reaction to being

582
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.059
scared and she does have a funny line about Christina Chong's

583
00:26:57.059 --> 00:27:00.299
dopamine level that ends this scene, which I think is pretty

584
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:00.660
good.

585
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.880
Well, like in all intents and purposes, this is probably the

586
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.799
cheapy of the year, isn't it?

587
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.500
All the standard sets minimally redressed.

588
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.160
Yeah.

589
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.440
With just the R.

590
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.519
Oh, my gosh.

591
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:15.900
Oh, here she is.

592
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:16.619
Look at that frog.

593
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.799
The fact the fact that she comes in through that mist with that

594
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.039
dress.

595
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:22.380
Look at it.

596
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.960
It's so great. so funny.

597
00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:26.400
Oh my god.

598
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.259
They give the dog things to do.

599
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.279
Like, the dog actually gets 2 lines, like 2 kind of laugh lines.

600
00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:36.960
And you have to think that Christina has just said, you know, I

601
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.440
want to, I think my dog would be perfect in this.

602
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:45.240
And obviously, in the rehearsal was going, I'm going to play this

603
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:46.619
to the hill, you know?

604
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.819
Because she's such, it's exactly what you said about your reaction

605
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.420
to her after episode one, how she was sort of hard bitten and

606
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:58.140
stuff and she had this heartbreaking backstory about her family

607
00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:02.099
being eaten by rubber lizards in cocktail dresses.

608
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.380
And it was all very serious and she was very hard bitten and

609
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:07.920
tough.

610
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:12.539
And so having her play this so silly and so adorable.

611
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.440
And she said, oh, you know, I've got a cavoodle who'd be perfect.

612
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.660
I'm going to get my dog in here.

613
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.359
He's scared to the dog.

614
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:25.259
The dog reacts to be concerned, you know, that this is what

615
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:27.839
Americans think the British aristocracy is like.

616
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.220
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.299
Yeah, yeah.

618
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.180
They think it's Julie Andrews, don't they?

619
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:34.079
Oh, God.

620
00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:35.460
She does a little twirl.

621
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.599
Her dress pops out.

622
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:38.099
Oh, it's so and do you know what?

623
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:38.940
Look at her possums.

624
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:39.900
Yeah, yeah.

625
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.640
You can't see them at all in that unit.

626
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.279
Look, the dog's applauding.

627
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:48.420
I know there's a bit of a, I want to throw a compliment at the

628
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:52.619
costume designer as well in this, who is really, like, these

629
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:56.160
costumes are really rich and colourful and memorable for

630
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:56.519
everybody.

631
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:58.920
I mean, just look at the stuff in her hair here.

632
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:05.339
Oh, I was really, really admiring, um, seeing as an outfit.

634
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.559
Sorry, the dog's looking at tits.

635
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:08.759
He's licking her tits.

636
00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:10.799
That's got to be her dog.

637
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:12.240
You know what it is.

638
00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:15.599
It's the studio lights and so she's sweating and the dog is

639
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.859
licking sweat off her skin.

640
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.299
That's the thing that they do.

641
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:19.980
And she does actually notice it.

642
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.400
You can see the actor noticing that it's happening and just kind

643
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:24.599
of going, all right, whatever.

644
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:25.319
I'll keep going.

645
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.660
The reaction there. from Dr. Mabenga, where he just widens his

646
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:34.680
eyes slightly.

647
00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:41.640
Essentially, any scene that she is in is gold. and the bit later

648
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.640
on where she sings the opera. is so funny.

649
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:48.779
And so who Emma?

650
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.700
His hammer.

651
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:55.680
And he, he's not affected because he's telepathic.

652
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.460
Is that it?

653
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.079
That's right.

654
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:58.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:29:58.799 --> 00:29:59.039
Yeah.

656
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:04.140
Then he's, unlike the doctor, he really, really gets involved when

657
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:05.160
he can, you know?

658
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:07.740
I think he's a bit of a ham at heart.

659
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

660
00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:10.740
And he's so good.

661
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:12.299
Holy crap, he's great.

662
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.920
He's a handsome man as well.

663
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:16.980
I don't know if you've seen him out of costume, but out of the

664
00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:17.880
makeup.

665
00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:19.019
He's a good looking man.

666
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.059
And he is actually blind.

667
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.799
So this is a, you know, we had a disabled character in Star Trek

668
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.140
the Next Generation played by an able body character.

669
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.819
Here we have a blind alien played by a blind human.

670
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.740
I think that's, you know, superb.

671
00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:39.720
No, it is worth noting, but this is this sort of episode that my

672
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.779
other half would consider agonising in Star Trek.

673
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.000
Basically, when anyone's having fun, you know.

674
00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:48.900
But I want to say as well, like, obviously, we talk about jammer

675
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:52.500
quite a lot, jammer's reviews online. he really didn't like this.

676
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.460
So where's the division here?

677
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.799
Like, why don't people like fun in Star Trek?

678
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:06.660
I think, like, I think that he, what he thought was all of this

679
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:09.599
was a waste of time because...

680
00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:15.960
No, he found the plot of the book uninvolving.

681
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:17.099
Do you know what I mean?

682
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.160
And I don't think you're meant to be involved in the plot.

683
00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:24.299
What you are meant to be involved in is him trying to work out

684
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:25.500
what to do.

685
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.940
Like we're in this situation.

686
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.799
He and Hammer aren't affected.

687
00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:31.559
How does, like what is he even supposed to do?

688
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.180
How does he get out of this?

689
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:39.000
And so, but, and also we're just having fun with them being silly

690
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.259
hurry, sir.

691
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.539
Yeah. this is the 1st time they've had a chance to do this.

692
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.680
But the thing, the telling thing was that he said that in a 10

693
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:51.900
episode series, 3 of the episodes were comedies, and I guess the 3

694
00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:59.400
comedies are Spocker Mark, the um...

695
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.440
Vokamok, the one where they had the...

696
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.099
The body swap?

697
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.819
and number one were trying to go around the ship and do the

698
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:06.839
Enterprise big gun.

699
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:07.440
Is that in that?

700
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:08.160
Is that in that?

701
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.660
Maybe it is wonderful.

702
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:13.259
Well, that was great, but it's the body swap episode with Tapring

703
00:32:13.259 --> 00:32:15.420
and Spock, which I just thought was awesome.

704
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.740
Like, I just thought that was really great.

705
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.180
This is funnier than that though.

706
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:23.640
This and the Serene Squall, I think he said, I thought that was

707
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.960
the weakest comedy of the three.

708
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:29.339
But I think it was less wholeheartedly accommodated.

709
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.359
It was just overtly comic.

710
00:32:30.539 --> 00:32:33.599
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't just being fun and silly.

711
00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:36.119
There was a sort of worthwhile plot going on there.

712
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.980
This is original trek.

713
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.380
This is the... original trek was a shame.

714
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:42.839
Yeah, he's saying that's a waste of time.

715
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:47.339
That's 3 out of 10 episodes wasted on being funny.

716
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.680
And I kind of think, no, no, no, no, no, no.

717
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:51.420
This isn't Battlestar Galactica.

718
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.180
This is Star Trek. silly.

719
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.900
They have to establish that it can be silly.

720
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.559
And he, I don't know whether he wants to tune in every week and

721
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.539
watch The Siege of AR 558.

722
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:06.180
Oh, we got that one. 4 miles.

723
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.240
You know, I absolutely don't want to do that.

724
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.119
I want Star Trek to do all of the things it can do.

725
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:19.619
And I'm happy about this because Discovery didn't do this in quite

726
00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:20.700
the same way.

727
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.559
And so now we have a photo of Star Trek that can.

728
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.259
But this is obviously a massive love.

729
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.480
I know it's doing its own thing, but it's a massive love level to

730
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.619
the original Star Trek.

731
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.460
And that's the show that gave us the gangster planet and the bunny

732
00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:33.900
from Alice in Wonderland.

733
00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:36.660
And things like this.

734
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.460
And so of course it's going to have fun.

735
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:39.599
Yeah.

736
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.099
I'm again at all.

737
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:45.119
No, and this is not, I mean, eventually Star Trek, the Next

738
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:51.000
Generation, which we, oh, look how, Ethan Peckard, the thoughts

739
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.619
that are going through my head right now.

740
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.000
Do you know what?

741
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.859
You can really grab his air as well, couldn't you?

742
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.079
So pretty.

743
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:58.740
And he's smiling.

744
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:00.359
When he comes in, he's smiling.

745
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:03.240
I mean this is a deliberately hot look.

746
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.180
Somehow he manages to make that spot look.

747
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.500
Hot, hot.

748
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:09.000
It's amazing.

749
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:09.960
It's an attractive man.

750
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:14.039
But look at him smiling here, you know, it was something that they

751
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.400
you know, once or twice got an emoy to do and it was striking

752
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.000
too.

753
00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:20.820
Do you see the light coming in through the trees?

754
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.179
And here, I know I keep talking about the lighting, but I never

755
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:25.619
get a chance to it, 90s track.

756
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.579
So it's quite refreshing.

757
00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:32.159
Yeah, no, it's beautifully done.

758
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:33.179
Some practical lighting.

759
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.920
I like all the flames, yeah.

760
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.500
Sick Bay had lots of candles in it.

761
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.679
They got sort of flaming Brazzi, is that what they're called?

762
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:41.699
Braziers.

763
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.800
Thank you very much, I swear.

764
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.559
Flaming bras all over the place.

765
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:52.440
Because the light in this ship is so like the walls are gleaming

766
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:52.980
white.

767
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.760
It's blueish, white and gleaming white.

768
00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:59.460
And so in the Elysian kingdom, it's mostly yellow.

769
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:02.340
Astonishing engine room.

770
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.199
That goes back.

771
00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:06.300
It's fast, isn't it?

772
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.320
Yeah, yeah.

773
00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:09.719
Well, that's the effects wall, isn't it?

774
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.360
That special affects wall.

775
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.059
I think I'm training myself to notice it.

776
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:15.780
But look at that.

777
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:16.320
Look at that.

778
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:19.980
Well, that shot up the Jeffreys tube, which seemed to go on

779
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:20.760
forever as well.

780
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.280
What I did like as well.

781
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:28.079
Like it plays out with predictable sort of storybook twists, but

782
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:28.980
they've done really well.

783
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
I loved um the spot character.

784
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.260
What's his character's name in the Elysian Kingdom?

785
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.760
Um, Pollux.

786
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:38.219
I like the fact that he comes along and I'm the hero.

787
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.840
I love the brooding hero.

788
00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:43.260
And in fact, no, he's going to sell them out, so evil Ahura.

789
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.340
Yeah, yeah.

790
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.000
Yeah, you see, I was barely paying attention to that because I

791
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.519
just don't think that's what this is about.

792
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.139
Um, particularly.

793
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:52.800
Look at this.

794
00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:56.039
And I'm such a Now you talk about costume design.

795
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:58.559
Her as, oh, I know.

796
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:01.980
Look at the stuff around her de colletage, you know, like the

797
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:06.000
details of around her, uh, you know, neckline.

798
00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:08.880
The thing that sort of straps across and then goes around her

799
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.119
waist, and she's so little and elfin.

800
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:14.519
Like she's such a tiny person, isn't she?

801
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:18.239
And just making her the villain is so good.

802
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.559
It's such a great choice.

803
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.460
Well, I remember in episode 2 where she was a bit nervous about

804
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:25.500
going to Pike's dinner.

805
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:26.099
Do you remember?

806
00:36:26.219 --> 00:36:29.940
And then later on in this. on his knees in front of her.

807
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:30.780
She's in command.

808
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.900
You know, I like how the dynamics are very different.

809
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.280
Oh, God, Pike's so funny.

810
00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:36.659
Just see him just sl himself.

811
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:42.179
And look, they're shooting her from below so that she looms over

813
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:42.719
everyone.

814
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.739
With that huge symbol behind her all lit up, you know?

815
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.860
This is where this is where I'm getting sort of intendant vibes

816
00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:52.079
because I used to shoot her like this from below.

817
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.059
Yeah, you know, looking very menacing.

818
00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:58.139
I mean, they do the thing where his colour is green and her colour

819
00:36:58.139 --> 00:36:59.579
is red.

820
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.320
And so they, you know, make the sets match them.

821
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.860
Like they're both in the 2 biggest sets in the ones in the bridge

822
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:12.599
ones in engineering, you know, like it's, I think they do a good

823
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:12.780
job.

824
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.659
She is literally a panto villain as well.

825
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.219
She is the ice queen.

826
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.500
She has icicles coming off of everything.

827
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.920
Those things on her fingers too are gray. too.

828
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:25.559
And this, I just...

829
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.420
I can't take it anymore, I tell you.

830
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:32.760
Look at the bars look so great around the transporter.

831
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:33.599
It's so good.

832
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.579
It's so different.

833
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.500
The walls are closing in on me.

834
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:38.880
So funny.

835
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.659
Honey, they're having the conversation.

836
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.579
Look, do you know why people are acting strangely?

837
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

838
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:51.719
Yeah, and so I hadn't really properly realised it until last time

839
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.679
but the thing is that he thinks that it's being taken from his

840
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.760
head, doesn't he?

841
00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:02.219
He thinks that the reason, because he's special, he, he, um, it's

842
00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:05.039
being done for him, but he thinks it's being done by him in some

843
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.280
way.

844
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:05.880
Yeah.

845
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:09.179
And then it's when he realises it's his daughter. when the whole

846
00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:10.500
episode shifts gear, isn't it?

847
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.400
Yeah, that's right.

848
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:11.940
That's right.

849
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:14.699
And it's doing it's doing that thing that we've done a lot in Star

850
00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:15.059
Trek.

851
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.380
But it always really works.

852
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.199
That was the episode with Riker, you remember, Future Imperfect

853
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.079
and that's all about that lonely little alien on the planet or

854
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:26.039
Sarjenka in series 2 with data. pen pals.

855
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:31.980
Yeah, and sort of the anomaly that they're in is an equivalent of

856
00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:32.579
that, isn't it?

857
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.019
It's a lonely lost being that wants company.

858
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.619
The way they explain it is really interesting too.

859
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:47.400
So he's be, you know, um, the doctor is asking Hammer where a

860
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.579
godlike alien entity comes from.

861
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:53.880
And maybe this is the 1st one that we discover in Star Trek.

862
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.139
Do you know what I mean?

863
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.599
Like maybe this is our 1st god-like alien entity.

864
00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:02.760
And Hammer suggests that the universe produces them spontaneously

865
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.219
and that's how they come.

866
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.280
And that explains all the others.

867
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:10.079
And that's exactly right.

868
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.280
And he uses a term which I think was called Boltzmann's brain.

869
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:15.599
And I looked it up.

870
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:19.980
It's actually a real thing. where cosmologists used to suggest

871
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.940
that if their, and I may misunderstand this, because I read it

872
00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:27.960
very briefly, is that their models of how the universe works, if

873
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.820
they're sufficiently complicated, then they allow this sort of

874
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:34.679
thing to happen spontaneously.

875
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:38.280
You know, if you think, well, this universe can just invent itself

876
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.699
then why kind of brain just, you know, find itself here.

877
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.119
And it's a thought experiment is very 19th century for

878
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.639
cosmologists and I don't quite know that I've understood it

879
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.539
perfectly.

880
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.039
But yes.

881
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:56.280
So it's as if we're creating a theory for where all these alien

882
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.079
entities come from in Star Trek.

883
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:03.119
If you like it, you won't be disappointed if you watch the run

884
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.280
through chronology because you will see plenty of them.

885
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:05.820
That's right.

886
00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:07.920
Because what was Lonely among Us?

887
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.300
Wasn't there a...

888
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.860
That was a lonely electric cloud.

889
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

890
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.239
Picard beams off the ship so he can fucking nebula.

891
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:18.000
We could probably find one a season in every show.

892
00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:18.599
Oh, you can.

893
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.260
Yeah.

894
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.340
Every anomaly.

895
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.219
Well, um, there was a couple of Voyager as well.

896
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.139
I think the episode blissed in series five.

897
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.360
Lonely Cloud.

898
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.260
Okay.

899
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.059
Oh, look, he blows his gum.

900
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:33.840
He's loving it.

901
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.780
He's using science.

902
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:40.260
But when he was 1st introduced, you remember those scenes with

903
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.559
Ahura early in the season and he was so serious, wasn't he?

904
00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:45.179
And very rude as well.

905
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.300
And she earned his respect and he started to sort of warm up

906
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:48.539
there.

907
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:55.619
Oh, no, the 2 of them have a really, like, and in fact, that's the

908
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:58.980
most heartbreaking reaction, I think, to him is death in episode 9

909
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:04.380
is her reaction, because they have been so close, and because he

910
00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:09.300
encourages her to find a place to belong after the loss of her

911
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.000
family and things, like, that's a proper good relationship that

912
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:12.360
they have.

913
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:16.079
I still can't quite get over that scene of those baby gaunts

914
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.400
coming out of that fella, you know.

915
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:18.300
Oh my god.

916
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:19.320
So good.

917
00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:22.380
That's insane.

918
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:26.460
That alien looked great though, Mr. Watts's face.

919
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:27.840
The realisation of that.

920
00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:31.500
I mean, I think I think, like I said this was the cheapie, but

921
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:34.260
they're basically saying, well, we need a lot of money for this.

922
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.159
We're on a nice planet. you know, we've got CGI Gaunts, prosthetics

923
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:38.940
all sorts going on.

924
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

925
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.659
But just because this is cheap.

926
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.039
I don't mean it ain't good.

927
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.960
No, no, I think it's really fun.

928
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:51.000
And this to me, this feels more like Star Trek than anything else

929
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.420
this year because, like I said, all these different elements have

930
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:55.619
been done elsewhere, you know?

931
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:56.099
Yeah.

932
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:59.340
But it's just, it's kind of almost done to perfection here.

933
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:04.380
Well, it's kind of like, you remember enterprise, like originally

934
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:06.599
kind of duck tells very simple story.

935
00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:10.980
It's like here they go on an away mission and someone's racist and

936
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:11.579
nothing happens.

937
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.460
And, you know, like we're boiling it down.

938
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.139
But this does that as well.

939
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.800
I think this is saying, this is saying what Star Trek is now in

940
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.420
the way that Enterprise is as well, but it's doing a good job of

941
00:42:24.420 --> 00:42:24.719
it.

942
00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:26.400
I like enterprise series as well.

943
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:27.360
I think.

944
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.199
You see pike then.

945
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:31.320
It goes, I think I probably best serve you from the safety of the

946
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:31.679
castle.

947
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:32.940
Yeah, and he does.

948
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.219
And he's already run, you've ever seen.

949
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:35.760
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:38.880
Before the king says, yes, all right.

951
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:39.900
He's already running.

952
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:47.820
I got slightly distracted by that hot guy, one of Mitchell's

953
00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:51.000
little Yeah, that the shaved hair.

954
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:54.179
I don't think it would work with any other captain, that role.

955
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.239
I just don't I couldn't see any other captain playing that.

956
00:42:58.980 --> 00:42:59.880
And his Una.

957
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.699
It's so it's such a weird choice as well, isn't it?

958
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.699
It is, but I believe the eyeliner budget went through the roof for

959
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:09.420
this one, you know?

960
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.400
Because she's so straight laced, isn't she?

961
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.260
And serious.

962
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.840
What's great is the doctor and the engineer are having so much fun

963
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.500
at this point.

964
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.820
That's why they just looked at each other like...

965
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.599
There you go.

966
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:29.519
Well, no, now they're together.

967
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.599
So what are you saying about there being a lack of queerness in

968
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.679
Strange New World?

969
00:43:34.739 --> 00:43:35.460
Yeah, well that's right.

970
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.300
No, no, exactly.

971
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.300
There is queerness in Stranger Worlds.

972
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.599
And, of course, we had...

973
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:44.579
It was gone on all the time in original Trek.

974
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.380
Just off from where the camera was.

975
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:47.460
Yeah, that's right.

976
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.139
Oh, here's that set.

977
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.639
Here's the engineer.

978
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.739
So some of it's the wall.

979
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.679
Some of it's the special effects wall, I think.

980
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:57.480
See, I can see the wall now.

981
00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.179
But I think my brain allows me to be tricked.

982
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.219
Which is a very strange relationship to have with a television

984
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:06.239
production.

985
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

986
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.000
But I was sort of doing it with a Mandalorian.

987
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:11.579
I think by the time the Mandalorian got to series 2, it was like

988
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:12.420
oh, I could see the wall.

989
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.360
They have a circular wall.

990
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:16.260
They call it the volume.

991
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.539
No, no.

992
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.739
And I mean, because we always knew that it was like they would key

993
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:25.440
the background in.

994
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.559
You and I have been trained on the CSO, you know, back in the 2nd

995
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:28.920
season.

996
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:32.519
Whereas that is actual genuinely happening in the camera, you know

997
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.559
like the actors can see it.

998
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:38.699
The camera picks it up, a little bit like back projection only

999
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:46.199
just, you know, more effective and, you know, it's just terribly

1000
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:46.679
well done.

1001
00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:48.000
I think it works really well.

1002
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:55.440
Yeah, so now, now we're kind of working out.

1003
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.980
Are we trying to work out why it's those 2 that are unaffected and

1004
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:05.460
we know that it's Emma because he is has psychic powers and we can

1005
00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:08.699
we're going, oh, actually, the entity's reading it from you.

1006
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.099
That's what's him is saying here.

1007
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.360
The entity's reading it from you.

1008
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:17.519
And he hasn't quite worked it out yet, that obviously this version

1009
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.840
of the story with the 2 of them, with Una and Erica together, can't

1010
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.739
come from him because he rejected that version of the story in the

1011
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:26.579
early episode.

1012
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.380
Is that what she said at the beginning?

1013
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.460
I wanted them to get together.

1014
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.260
Yeah, no, that's not what happens.

1015
00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:35.699
She wanted the huntress to come in and help Suraja to save the

1016
00:45:35.699 --> 00:45:36.000
king.

1017
00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:39.480
So I thought we were heading towards an ending of like, you know

1018
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.000
well, you're dying and we can't change the ending, you know.

1019
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:44.219
Actually, yes, we can.

1020
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.559
Yeah, and I think that is sort of there.

1021
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:48.900
But like I said, I think it is a little bit undercooked.

1022
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:53.820
I think that this would be a better episode if the fantasy plot

1023
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:58.980
and the and the main plot were more clearly linked together

1024
00:45:58.980 --> 00:45:59.880
because there's another...

1025
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:01.800
The curse and trait, you've detailed this in a lot of other

1026
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:02.280
episodes.

1027
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:03.239
They do this very well.

1028
00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:06.239
They're like the A and B. Not like 90s trait, where it's just 2

1029
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.739
random things going on in one episode.

1030
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.000
Yeah, that's right.

1031
00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1032
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.360
Keiko's bored and...

1033
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.699
We need to give her an arboretum.

1034
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:20.280
But the, I think the, like, because there's another point later on

1035
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:27.360
where the doctor, um, explains to Rukia that the king had to give

1036
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:32.099
up the mercury stone because the mercury stone had a soul, and so

1037
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:33.480
he had to let it go.

1038
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:38.880
And because that only turns up in that scene, do you know what I

1039
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.039
mean, we haven't had that anywhere else?

1040
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:44.880
It's not, it's not quite as good as it could be, I think.

1041
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:47.340
I wonder if things are cut.

1042
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.119
I don't know.

1043
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:49.380
It might be.

1044
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.239
I think, I think, yeah.

1045
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.099
Yeah.

1046
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.099
But I don't think it matters. think it's still really enjoyable

1047
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:57.539
but I do think it would have been better.

1048
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.139
I know there's one thing you really rate in Kurtzman Trek, and

1049
00:47:01.139 --> 00:47:02.460
that is the music.

1050
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.880
And I think it's a little bit bombastic at times.

1051
00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:11.280
And I know that it's a nice contrast to the wallpaper music, latter

1052
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.280
day TNG, 90s track, and DS Night of Voyager and all of that.

1053
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:18.300
I thought the music in this was extraordinary and it really sold

1054
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:19.380
the emotion.

1055
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.820
During this scene, some very delicate strings came in, but really

1056
00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:24.420
memorable.

1057
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:27.480
Yeah, I thought the music was great in this.

1058
00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:29.460
Hmm, yeah.

1059
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.519
It could have gone a bit crazy because, you know, it's a comedy

1060
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.619
episode and it could have done that.

1061
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:35.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1062
00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:37.739
They could have been all blinky and telling us to learn it off.

1063
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.340
Yeah.

1064
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.820
There's music sort of, until this point it's sort of going into

1065
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.699
that heroic nature of the thing, you know, it's all...

1066
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.039
But now it comes right down.

1067
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.179
And yeah, it doesn't it doesn't step on the performance, which I

1068
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:51.599
really liked.

1069
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:54.360
Oh, look at him.

1070
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:54.900
He back.

1071
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.219
He's, you know.

1072
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.880
Isn't he good?

1073
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:01.440
He's so good at this.

1074
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:04.019
I think I said to you when we watched this was that he's so

1075
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:07.199
restrained throughout the entire episode and then the scene where

1076
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.300
he chooses to let her go in the quarters and then he really lets

1077
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:13.440
the emotional come out.

1078
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:17.519
And sometimes that restraint can then lead to a very powerful

1079
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:18.900
reaction to the audience.

1080
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:19.800
I really moved me.

1081
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.840
Yeah, yeah.

1082
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.500
I think he does a really good job and it's a strange one as well.

1083
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.920
Like, because it's a space thing that's happening.

1084
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:34.260
Like, but we still know how to think about it.

1085
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.460
We've laughed our heads off at scenes such as the Edo want to

1086
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:41.219
execute my son and come on, B'lana.

1087
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.179
Talk to me.

1088
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.519
That's where hysteria gets you.

1089
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.199
When it's subtle, it can be really moving.

1090
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.980
Oh, speaking of subtle, here's Anson Mount begging.

1091
00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:58.019
He goes, how could I serve you?

1092
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.880
So great.

1093
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:06.000
Oh no, sorry.

1094
00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:07.199
What do you want from me?

1095
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:09.659
But he doesn't, that's really whiny voice.

1096
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.820
When she goes, I want you to obey me.

1097
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.920
And he's like, oh, well, I can do that.

1098
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:19.079
Oh, look at that shark.

1099
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:23.280
Look at that shot where he bends down out of shot and she's

1100
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.619
standing there looking triumphant.

1101
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.619
Because she's got all that sort of fabulous stuff on her nails.

1102
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.860
She plays about with her hands like an evil villainess.

1103
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:34.260
So good.

1104
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:39.420
All right.

1105
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.039
So, yeah, poor old lady Audrey doesn't get to do very much.

1106
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:44.760
What she doing here?

1107
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.179
She's just doing some witch stuff in the background that we don't

1108
00:49:48.179 --> 00:49:48.659
know what it is.

1109
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.179
And like, Jesus Christ, you think Gemma will be all over this

1110
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:54.420
shit.

1111
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.380
Hanging around just sort of having a lark is what 90s tracks did

1112
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.659
for about half its half its seasons, you know?

1113
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1114
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.820
But I think that he's conscious that we only get 10 episodes and

1115
00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:08.219
why aren't we doing serious business in all of them?

1116
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.440
And I think that we shouldn't be doing serious business in all of

1117
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.539
them that that's not what Star Trek ever was.

1118
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:16.139
Yeah.

1119
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.659
Not everything is late Deep Space 9.

1120
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.460
And like Deep Space 9 is good.

1121
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.880
Deep Space 9 had take me out to the hollow suite and batter being

1122
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:24.420
out of bang.

1123
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:25.019
Exactly.

1124
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:26.039
Of course it did.

1125
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.679
And the magnificent Ferengi...

1126
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. had a laugh as well.

1127
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.460
Yeah, but I think he's saying we're having a few laughs in a 26

1128
00:50:35.460 --> 00:50:36.420
episode season.

1129
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.219
We have 3 episodes that are funny.

1130
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:42.960
He doesn't want 3 episodes that are funny in 10 episode season, and

1131
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.860
I think that it's super important that in this 1st season, they

1132
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:48.059
stake out the area.

1133
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.260
You know?

1134
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:51.900
I know, but you know what?

1135
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.199
My preference is probably to the locks now, because I remember, you

1136
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.900
know, when I go back and watch the X-Files, season 6 was basically

1137
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:03.239
a 25 episode season and about 15 of them are comedies and that's

1138
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:03.840
my favourite year.

1139
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:05.219
Yeah, yeah.

1140
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:05.880
Yeah.

1141
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:08.820
Well, once that discovers it can do comedy, it just absolutely

1142
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:10.019
flies.

1143
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:10.860
Yeah, so good.

1144
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:12.300
Right.

1145
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:13.500
The whole cast here now.

1146
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.639
Everyone be fair.

1147
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:21.119
But Hammer is using his science to resolve this...

1148
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:22.920
Fucking hilarious.

1149
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.559
I was going, ooh, guy, ooh, guy.

1150
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:27.119
Abracadabra.

1151
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:33.000
He does have a great outfit.

1152
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.880
Oh yeah, he does have a very good outfit.

1153
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:38.699
We get some great Andorian antenna action later too.

1154
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.320
Which I can never get enough of because their antennas were so

1155
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.820
shitty in the 1960s.

1156
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:51.000
And he's got proper enterprise style, Andorian, and tennis, doesn't

1157
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:51.119
he?

1158
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.320
I don't know.

1159
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:54.960
All I wanted to see is the outtakes from this scene, right?

1160
00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:56.400
dressed up like this.

1161
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.579
Right, folks, let's go for lunch.

1162
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.440
She's so great.

1163
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.739
Oh my god, seniors. in.

1164
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.019
Are we fucking being paid to do this, really?

1165
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:11.340
Have this much fun.

1166
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.940
This is absurd.

1167
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.719
I'll tell you what, though, yeah, look at him.

1168
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:20.400
Look at him being fierce now.

1169
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.199
You absolutely buy that too.

1170
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:24.539
The cob officer.

1171
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.320
What's her name again?

1172
00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:26.159
I keep forgetting.

1173
00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:28.320
Oh, Erica Ortega.

1174
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:29.340
Do you know what?

1175
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.480
Do you see her social media?

1176
00:52:30.539 --> 00:52:32.099
She markets this show brilliantly.

1177
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:32.820
Oh, yeah.

1178
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:33.719
I think she's wonderful.

1179
00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:35.639
I think she's really, really great.

1180
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:39.960
She's clearly, it's a bit like, oh, that tragic, uh, the ball

1181
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.900
queen from series 2, uh, Star Trek Picard.

1182
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:43.559
What was her name?

1183
00:52:43.619 --> 00:52:46.500
I can't remember, but obviously she died of cancer.

1184
00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.480
She was all over social media.

1185
00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:50.880
She was clearly having the best time in the world.

1186
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.000
And she's like, I want to tell everybody how good this is.

1187
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.800
And it's the same with her in this.

1188
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.059
Yeah, she's wonderful.

1189
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:58.380
I think she's really great.

1190
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:02.880
Emma's doing some great wizard shit here.

1191
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.599
You sort of prostrate in with his hands, you know?

1192
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:08.760
Ah, brocadabra.

1193
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:13.019
You saw the gesture that he did to the doctor?

1194
00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:16.260
back off a 2nd I'm doing wizard acting.

1195
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.139
And it's the best use of a communicator. forever.

1196
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.800
It just pulls it out and then stabs his finger in. presses the

1197
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:23.039
button.

1198
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.179
Oh it's joyful.

1199
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.980
And that smile.

1200
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.679
I don't think you see him smile like that very much in that season

1201
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:33.119
if he does that big.

1202
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.000
Once again, the magic of science prevails.

1203
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:40.860
Oh it's terrific.

1204
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:46.619
Oh, okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be, going to say this

1205
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:47.099
very quickly.

1206
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.260
I'm not going to shit on discovery.

1207
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.239
But it ain't never as fun as this.

1208
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:52.679
No. for me.

1209
00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:54.539
Oh, it's charming.

1210
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:55.139
I don't know.

1211
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:56.099
There's just something about this.

1212
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.179
It's a bit magic.

1213
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.219
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

1214
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.480
I think this, you know, they had a, I think their original

1215
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:08.760
intention with discovery is to do new Star Trek, like do Star Trek

1216
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.380
but they didn't do Star Trek.

1217
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.360
They went a long way, you know, by serialising it and so on.

1218
00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:18.780
It's not enough like Star Trek, I think.

1219
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.780
It's a little bit too tied to its premise.

1220
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.480
Whereas this is just Star Trek, isn't it?

1221
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:26.519
But I admire them because they've done their own thing.

1222
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:29.940
They absolutely, you know, set their store to say, right, this is

1223
00:54:29.940 --> 00:54:30.539
what we're going to do.

1224
00:54:30.780 --> 00:54:34.679
But yeah, this is this just this gives me the feels, you know?

1225
00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:37.500
No, especially this scene especially does.

1226
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:42.480
It sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think this is a

1227
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.500
better redo of Star Trek than Star Trek than Next Generation ever

1228
00:54:46.500 --> 00:54:46.860
was.

1229
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.179
Like, this is like easily a lot better than that.

1230
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.800
There is more development of these characters in this season than

1231
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.619
you add in 7 fucking years of TNG.

1232
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.679
But it's also the production values as well.

1233
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:04.079
You know, like...

1234
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:05.940
Remember, it's been 30 years, you know.

1235
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.619
Oh, no, no, I know, but other shows went outside. you know what I

1236
00:55:10.619 --> 00:55:10.800
mean?

1237
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.239
You're never going to let that drop, are you?

1238
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.820
You know what?

1239
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.980
When I push the button next, there's going to be only episodes

1240
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:26.099
where they go outside. 90s trek. might be pressing for a while.

1241
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.699
I knew you were going to say that.

1242
00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:37.260
Oh, this is all his performance here where he says goodbye to

1243
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:37.559
her.

1244
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:39.119
Yeah, yeah.

1245
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:40.679
Oh my god.

1246
00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:44.699
And his performance when she comes back as an older version

1247
00:55:44.699 --> 00:55:45.239
straight away.

1248
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:50.039
And he plays it, like, the character just, he can't comprehend...

1249
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:56.219
Like losing all of that time with her and her being back.

1250
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.599
It's really beautifully done.

1251
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:59.760
He's he's really good.

1252
00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:06.960
And this is like, I guess every parent eventually has to let their

1253
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.739
child go.

1254
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:11.639
You know, there's someone put it so beautifully in something I

1255
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:15.780
read this week or last week that there's the last time that you

1256
00:56:15.780 --> 00:56:16.860
picked that child up.

1257
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.199
Like at one point you pick the child up, you put the child down

1258
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.239
and you never, ever pick them up again.

1259
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:29.519
You know, there's that parenthood is about eventually about

1260
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.780
letting go.

1261
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.300
And maybe that's what makes this real or something?

1262
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.300
I don't know, because it is a very sort of science fiction-y

1263
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:39.539
thing.

1264
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.420
You know, she has to go off with a space thing and he has to be

1265
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:43.619
happy to let it happen.

1266
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:49.019
But it's also as well, the whole idea of her, she did get to go

1267
00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:52.199
out there, have an amazing life, experience these wonderful

1268
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:52.619
things.

1269
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:53.099
Yeah.

1270
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:54.840
He actually was going to die, you know?

1271
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:58.679
But it's not only that, that she starts, she's in the pattern

1272
00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:59.340
buffer.

1273
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.420
Like she's in the most constrained space possible.

1274
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:08.219
She only ever experiences anything in that little room where her

1275
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:09.539
father's reading to her.

1276
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.320
And then, remember she says at the beginning of the thing, will

1277
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.639
you take me to your quarters?

1278
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:19.380
And that's how he knows where to find her once she's, you know

1279
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:24.300
once he knows that she is the source of this story.

1280
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.099
He knows that he can find her in his quarters.

1281
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.460
And then eventually, you know, he says, I'll show you the whole

1282
00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:35.699
ship, but in fact, Deborah comes along and chose her the whole

1283
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:36.360
universe.

1284
00:57:36.780 --> 00:57:40.440
And you know, all the characters in Star Trek, you know, this is

1285
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:40.920
the fate.

1286
00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:43.860
I think perhaps that I would want to have, going out there

1287
00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:46.199
exploring all your fantasies with your best mate.

1288
00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:47.219
Yes, please.

1289
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:47.820
Yeah.

1290
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.719
It is um, it's, yeah, it's sort of strange.

1291
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:52.800
I think...

1292
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:55.920
So maybe maybe if the 2 plots aren't tied together as well as they

1293
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:56.280
could be.

1294
00:57:56.340 --> 00:58:00.300
Maybe if it's not making its point as strong as it could.

1295
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.519
The emotional moments.

1296
00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:04.619
Yeah, exactly as they should.

1297
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.980
And you know me, that's more important to me than plot logic.

1298
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.860
Oh yeah, I don't care about plot logic so much.

1299
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.440
And thinking I'm thinking story logic a little bit.

1300
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:16.019
You know, that every part of the story needs to be working

1301
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:17.039
together in some way.

1302
00:58:17.099 --> 00:58:22.500
And I think what sells it is just this magnificent performance.

1303
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:23.699
He is so good.

1304
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.840
And he's not our character, even though he's usually not very

1305
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:32.039
emotional and he's very emotional here, but it's still a sort of

1306
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:33.360
it's so, so sweet.

1307
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:36.900
He's very restrained, I think, is the thing.

1308
00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:38.639
You know, like...

1309
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:39.780
I've said cheese before, isn't it?

1310
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.760
But that sometimes that is more powerful.

1311
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:42.840
Yeah.

1312
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:46.619
Yeah, but look at the just the way he's looking at her face, you

1313
00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:49.139
know, like he's touching her arms, he's touching her face.

1314
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.860
He's looking at every part of her face as if to kind of memorise

1315
00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:56.820
it because he's decided to allow her to go.

1316
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.059
And like a fairy tale.

1317
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.559
It has such a happy ending.

1318
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:07.440
And it wouldn't work without that, you know, like we, you know

1319
00:59:08.219 --> 00:59:13.380
Like he's making a big decision to allow, he allows her to make

1320
00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:14.460
the decision for a start.

1321
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.139
He doesn't make the decision for her.

1322
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:20.219
Um, And it turns out right.

1323
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.860
She had to come back and say that was the right decision.

1324
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.599
If you're a savvy person or even if you're not like me, when you

1325
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.179
said at the beginning of the episode, you know, the king had to

1326
00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:31.260
sacrifice.

1327
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.599
Well, then I think you might know where this is going.

1328
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.679
Yeah, yeah.

1329
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:37.260
And if you do, it still lands.

1330
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.940
Yeah, yeah.

1331
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:42.360
It tickles.

1332
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:43.320
Oh, there's more.

1333
00:59:44.219 --> 00:59:48.599
Yeah, that's a, that is just a little bit cheesy, I think.

1334
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:51.960
This does remind me at the end of the doctor episode Voyager Dam

1335
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.380
you know, where Kylie Minogue becomes pixie dust and goes off on

1336
00:59:55.380 --> 00:59:56.039
her adventures.

1337
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:57.599
Yeah, yeah.

1338
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:00.780
Yeah, that is slightly cheesy.

1339
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.639
I have to say that she's okay.

1340
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:03.960
Do you know what I mean?

1341
01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.119
Like, it's relying on him.

1342
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:07.139
She's a child actor.

1343
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.820
She doesn't ruin the scene.

1344
01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:13.800
I hate to tell you this, but Star Trek can't be incredibly cheesy

1345
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:14.099
you know.

1346
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.500
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1347
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:21.239
But like his reaction to her disappearance is so good.

1348
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:22.920
Like, it's so good.

1349
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:28.440
Like, he doesn't, he can't even bring himself to move forward to

1350
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.059
he tries to take a step but can't.

1351
01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:35.099
And then giving him that little gift of coming back and saying he

1352
01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:37.320
made the right choice, you know.

1353
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.900
Otherwise, he'd just been wondering, well, that's right.

1354
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.619
That's right.

1355
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:45.300
It wouldn't have been a good ending for us either, I think.

1356
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.960
And it means, you know, you and I always say, well, you know, they

1357
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.000
go through these terrible things and then next week they're fine

1358
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:51.420
again.

1359
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.860
Well, this means he can kind of close the book on this and move

1360
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:56.159
on.

1361
01:00:56.219 --> 01:01:03.539
In fact, one of the things that I think works really well too, is

1362
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:07.800
that she makes him promise to be happy, right?

1363
01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:10.739
And is this death?

1364
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:19.260
Like she goes away with Deborah who has stopped, who is an like an

1365
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:26.760
idea or an incorporeal entity and she goes where Deborah went, you

1366
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.980
know, is this...

1367
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.920
I never gave it that reading, but I could imagine if you were that

1368
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.260
way inclined, you absolutely could give it that way.

1369
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.300
But it's a possibility, isn't it?

1370
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.099
Like it's a way of thinking about.

1371
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.079
But yes.

1372
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:49.800
Because she tells him to be happy because they lost her mother, you

1373
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.780
know, like, and he's now alone.

1374
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:54.659
She said to him, create your own stories.

1375
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.559
Is she the same thing?

1376
01:01:55.619 --> 01:01:56.760
Well, I mean, a Star Trek series.

1377
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:57.420
Of course I will.

1378
01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.980
Promise you'll be happy.

1379
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.199
Promise, you know, promise you'll be happy.

1380
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:03.420
And look at him.

1381
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.340
Yeah, what a beautiful man.

1382
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:11.400
And, you know, like, you just wouldn't be watching an original

1383
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:15.420
Star Trek, a person of colour, a man crying like that.

1384
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

1385
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:17.820
Do you know what I mean?

1386
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:19.019
Some people would say we haven't come on.

1387
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:20.280
We have come on.

1388
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:25.679
I think I think what's really great is this is so nothing.

1389
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:30.059
But the special effects was reflected in his eyes, you know, he's

1390
01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:34.860
got very deep, dark eyes, obviously, but in that scene, as he was

1391
01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:38.099
saying goodbye and weeping, his eyes were reflecting the gold of

1392
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:40.260
the special effect somehow.

1393
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.219
Maybe that's the biggest difference between Kursman Trek.

1394
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.400
I don't think they came before, if they just have the ability now

1395
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.380
to sort of capture the magic visually in a way that they never did

1396
01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:52.739
before.

1397
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:58.320
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that I think that original Star Trek

1398
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:02.579
looks weird and 90 Star Trek doesn't.

1399
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.880
But you know, that's sort of the sort of, you've mentioned it in

1400
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.599
other Cuzman episodes. sort of the beauty of the universe, you

1401
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.480
know, in a way that's sort of a bit overpowering and emotional.

1402
01:03:12.539 --> 01:03:15.179
I don't think they ever had the ability to do that before.

1403
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:19.619
But I think there's a rejection of that as a as a goal, as an

1404
01:03:19.619 --> 01:03:22.559
aesthetic goal by 90s trek, and I think it's a big mistake.

1405
01:03:22.619 --> 01:03:24.480
Yeah, we're all winning conference rooms, aren't we?

1406
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:25.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1407
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.860
Enterprise episode where everything was so gray.

1408
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:30.719
Do you remember?

1409
01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:31.739
What was it, stigma?

1410
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.179
Yeah.

1411
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.360
Well, I mean, that's why I think that this version.

1412
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:41.340
Like, I love 90s trek, and it's been part of my life for 30 years

1413
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:42.000
or whatever.

1414
01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:46.139
Um, I can't do the maths more than that.

1415
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:52.260
Um, but, But I think this is a superior iteration of Star Trek.

1416
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:58.019
And I think it is partly because it's determined to be beautiful

1417
01:03:58.019 --> 01:04:00.539
and weird looking and it can be.

1418
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.320
Yeah, that was good.

1419
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:05.099
That was lovely.

1420
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.219
And the way they put mark, the episode with 2 scenes with the

1421
01:04:08.219 --> 01:04:09.599
doctor and number one as well.

1422
01:04:09.659 --> 01:04:10.139
Yep.

1423
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:10.980
Yep.

1424
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:11.760
Yeah.

1425
01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:14.340
And there's no grandstanding at the end of that as well.

1426
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.079
Like it just ends very calmly.

1427
01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:20.280
Like to see a bit more of her in series two, actually, to get a

1428
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:20.940
bit more prominence.

1429
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:26.760
Have you seen the final episode of series 2 of Lower Decks?

1430
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.400
I think so.

1431
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:30.059
Probably not.

1432
01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:35.400
Anyway, I'm not going to spoil it because you need to watch

1433
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.559
episode 10, obviously, of this.

1434
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:40.260
Isn't that the one where the captain's banged up?

1435
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:44.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she gets arrested. seen that one.

1436
01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:45.659
Okay.

1437
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.760
Well, wait until you watch episode 10 of this.

1438
01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:48.659
Okay.

1439
01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:52.320
And I think episodes, is it six?

1440
01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:54.480
No, this is, I think it's episode seven.

1441
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:58.320
The lift us where suffering doesn't reach.

1442
01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:01.800
I've got the number wrong, but those 2 are both very good, I

1443
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:02.039
think.

1444
01:05:02.099 --> 01:05:06.539
I think the fact that they are daring to do a strange new world's

1445
01:05:06.539 --> 01:05:08.579
lower decks crossover.

1446
01:05:08.579 --> 01:05:14.760
Possibly the balmiest and best premise for an episode of Star

1447
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:15.179
Trek.

1448
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.260
So good.

1449
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:17.880
How are they doing?

1450
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:18.539
I don't know.

1451
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.579
It's gonna be, it's gonna be...

1452
01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:24.059
I think it's going to be in Strangely World, and I think it'll be

1453
01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:26.639
Boheemler and Mariner.

1454
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:31.619
And I think because they look like they're characters more than

1455
01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:33.780
Tandy and Rutherford do.

1456
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:38.400
I mean, we know Rutherford from, uh, um, we know him from the Good

1457
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:39.960
Place, his Pillboy.

1458
01:05:40.019 --> 01:05:44.579
He's um, and he's in um, uh, crazy ex-girlfriend as well.

1459
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.679
So I think it'll be those two.

1460
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:51.300
And Tawney Newsom, I think, has a writing role in Kurtzman Train?

1461
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.260
And I'm not sure what series it is, but she's someone else.

1462
01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:00.179
She's someone else who on social media is absolutely, hugely into

1463
01:06:00.179 --> 01:06:03.719
being involved in Star Trek and is really enthusiastic about it.

1464
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:08.400
I want them to totally animate the Strange New Worlds crew as

1465
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:08.579
well.

1466
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:09.960
Please, just for a little bit.

1467
01:06:10.019 --> 01:06:14.280
I mean, you know those, you know, those TAS versions of all the

1468
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:15.480
later age.

1469
01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:19.980
Recently, someone's done a strange new worlds, TAS.

1470
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:20.579
Oh, have they?

1471
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:22.679
It's just as glorious as all the others.

1472
01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.800
I mean, the best one is still the Voyager one with the lizards.

1473
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. so great.

1474
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.139
Nathan, I thought that was exceptionally good.

1475
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.019
Yeah, I did too. that was really great.

1476
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.860
This is the Star Trek series that we've actually covered most of

1477
01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:42.599
because we've done 30% of the episode. at this point.

1478
01:06:42.659 --> 01:06:43.800
What's that?

1479
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.460
2 episodes?

1480
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:45.539
Oh, no, three.

1481
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.139
So we may need to give it a bit of a rest later this year, June

1482
01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:49.739
the 15th.

1483
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.099
June the 15th, we get a whole new series of it.

1484
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:55.619
I suppose we should have to wait too long.

1485
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.139
We should head back to somewhere that's got, you know, 900

1486
01:06:58.139 --> 01:06:58.679
episodes.

1487
01:07:01.019 --> 01:07:06.179
But in terms of comedy in terms of tragedy.

1488
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.039
That really hit me.

1489
01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:10.559
Like, I don't care about story logic, really.

1490
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:15.179
I care if I feel something when I'm watching a TV program and this

1491
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:18.659
really made me laugh and it really made me sad at the end and then

1492
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:20.099
sort of a bit hopeful too.

1493
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.579
So I think it, I think this scores.

1494
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.219
This is, this is one of the better episodes of, or one of the best

1495
01:07:26.219 --> 01:07:28.320
episodes of series one, Australia.

1496
01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:33.360
I think series one has just done a great job of being Star Trek

1497
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:37.079
and being really entertaining to watch and I think that's great.

1498
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:42.960
Like, I think the Gorn episode is probably a better episode of

1499
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:47.340
Star Trek, but that is doing very predictable things with horror

1500
01:07:47.340 --> 01:07:50.760
cliches, whereas I just think this is a more enjoyable watch.

1501
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:52.139
You know?

1502
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:57.480
And, you know, jammer, Marvara, anyone else that might care to not

1503
01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:58.260
be listening to this.

1504
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.179
Star Trek should be fun.

1505
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:01.619
It should be fun.

1506
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.099
Well, it's the end of our episode and it is time for us to work

1507
01:08:11.099 --> 01:08:12.780
out what we're going to watch next.

1508
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:18.000
And so Joe is at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1509
01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:20.520
Tell us which series we're choosing from.

1510
01:08:20.699 --> 01:08:23.760
I am going to tell you which series I'm choosing from.

1511
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:26.399
But 1st of all, I'm going to say, it's marvellous to be back, you

1512
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:26.640
know.

1513
01:08:26.699 --> 01:08:30.539
We haven't talked about Star Trek for how long?

1514
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:31.619
Yeah, months.

1515
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.060
Two months?

1516
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:34.439
It's been a long time anyway.

1517
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.000
It's great to be back baby.

1518
01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:37.260
Right.

1519
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:39.239
So I've chosen...

1520
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.460
We've just signed Kurtzman.

1521
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:48.420
And Kurtzman Trek has recently been celebrating 90s Trek in a very

1522
01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:50.279
big way with Picard series 3.

1523
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:53.039
Talk about a deep dive.

1524
01:08:53.100 --> 01:08:55.920
Oh, no, I was about to make some spoilers then.

1525
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.840
I better just shut up.

1526
01:08:57.899 --> 01:09:04.140
So I have put every 90s trek into the randomiser, even

1527
01:09:04.140 --> 01:09:04.920
enterprise.

1528
01:09:04.979 --> 01:09:10.020
Even Enterprise, which did get a big shout out in Picard Series

1529
01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:10.260
3.

1530
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:15.659
So let's find out precisely what Star Trek Picard series 3 is

1531
01:09:15.659 --> 01:09:16.199
celebrating.

1532
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:18.119
Okay, press the button then.

1533
01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:22.920
Okay, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season seven

1534
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:25.619
episode five, critical care.

1535
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:27.359
That's the one.

1536
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.960
That's the one with the doctor, isn't it?

1537
01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:35.460
Um, and it's a very classic political one where they sort of set

1538
01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:40.500
up a system that resembles what passes for a healthcare system in

1539
01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:41.880
the United States.

1540
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:46.680
And it even predates people setting up GoFundMes in order to pay

1541
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:48.359
for their basic medical bills.

1542
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.600
But it's making a lot of those about Nathan at the moment.

1543
01:09:51.659 --> 01:09:52.619
Yeah, 0 yeah.

1544
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:53.039
Yeah.

1545
01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:55.500
Please fund me having a pizza tonight.

1546
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:56.460
Yeah.

1547
01:09:56.460 --> 01:09:59.939
But, But I mean, a lot of people, that's how they fund their

1548
01:09:59.939 --> 01:10:02.279
medical care because it's so bad in America.

1549
01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:03.600
What do you think?

1550
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:04.619
No, no, I get it.

1551
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.359
I've already pressed it again, I'm afraid.

1552
01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:06.779
Sorry.

1553
01:10:06.779 --> 01:10:08.579
It was never going to be the 1st time.

1554
01:10:08.579 --> 01:10:10.020
No. 1st episode back.

1555
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.720
But it's not going to be this episode either, because I just don't

1556
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:13.380
fancy watching it.

1557
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:13.800
What is it?

1558
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:14.939
It's Deep Space 9.

1559
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.640
Season three, episode six, the abandoned.

1560
01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:20.640
Oh, I don't even know what that is.

1561
01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:22.079
So that's Odo.

1562
01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:25.979
It gets handed a Jim Haddar child by...

1563
01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:27.600
Oh, it's a Gemini.

1564
01:10:27.659 --> 01:10:29.699
Yeah, and he thinks that he can.

1565
01:10:30.180 --> 01:10:32.819
Yeah, there is an episode later where he's handed a changeling

1566
01:10:32.819 --> 01:10:33.060
child.

1567
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:34.439
Oh, okay.

1568
01:10:34.500 --> 01:10:37.380
Never let it say they don't throw away a good idea.

1569
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.880
The Forsaken is the one with Odo and Luaxana Troy in the Turkey.

1570
01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:43.979
So that's different from the abandoned.

1571
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:45.359
The abandoned, yeah.

1572
01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:47.460
He thinks he's going to turn the Gemadar around.

1573
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:47.939
Okay.

1574
01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:49.680
You know, by giving by being a good pair.

1575
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:50.699
By being nice to him.

1576
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:51.899
Yeah, okay.

1577
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:53.100
Spoiler, he doesn't.

1578
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:53.880
It doesn't work.

1579
01:10:53.939 --> 01:10:56.039
Anyway, pressed it again.

1580
01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:59.399
Oh, ooh, I see.

1581
01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:03.479
I quite fancy doing this because I've seen someone write not

1582
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.779
pleasing things about this on social media recently and I love

1583
01:11:06.779 --> 01:11:06.960
it.

1584
01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:13.319
Your random Star Trek, Deep Space 9 episode is season one, episode

1585
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.420
15, Progress.

1586
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.199
I love this episode.

1587
01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:22.020
I love this one. absolutely one of my favourites.

1588
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:26.220
It's so good. 2nd best episode of the 1st season.

1589
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.380
You think duet is the best one?

1590
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:29.399
Yeah.

1591
01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:33.119
So they're both here episodes. and guest star.

1592
01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:36.300
What you and I were saying there about restrained emotion.

1593
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.220
This is such a quiet episode.

1594
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:40.859
It's so interesting, isn't it?

1595
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:42.539
It's really properly good.

1596
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.079
Nathan. this big, ugly tree.

1597
01:11:47.340 --> 01:11:49.380
For God's sake.

1598
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.239
That's so Star Trek, isn't it?

1599
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:54.359
It's a classic 90s Star Trek obvious.

1600
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:58.319
It's the fact that she tells the story and he listens to it and

1601
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.319
then Cisco turns up and goes, he goes, oh, why don't you tell him

1602
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:02.100
the story about your tree?

1603
01:12:04.859 --> 01:12:08.100
It's really good properly good.

1604
01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:11.159
Do you know, and I know it's been a break.

1605
01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:15.119
We did do a fair amount of DS9 just before we went off air, but

1606
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.899
that is a goodie.

1607
01:12:16.020 --> 01:12:17.460
Yeah, no, let's do it.

1608
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:19.260
What if we never do that one?

1609
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:20.279
What if we never roll it again?

1610
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:23.579
Well, I guess you have a chance to wax lyrical about then our

1611
01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:24.300
visitor as well.

1612
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:25.439
I love doing that.

1613
01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:27.000
Progress.

1614
01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:28.079
Here we count, Chris.

1615
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:28.739
Brilliant.

1616
01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:39.960
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1617
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.979
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1618
01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:46.920
com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook

1619
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:47.880
and YouTube channel.

1620
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:52.079
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

1621
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:53.460
by Cameron Lamb.

1622
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.840
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of April 2023 and released

1623
01:12:57.840 --> 01:12:59.220
on the 28th of April.

1624
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:03.659
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Ogress.

1625
01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:25.680
So, yeah, like, we take months off and literally everything

1626
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.920
happens in Star Trek and we've, like, missed all of it.

1627
01:13:28.979 --> 01:13:33.720
So we had all of Series 3 of Picard.

1628
01:13:33.899 --> 01:13:36.899
And we had the discovery announcement.

1629
01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:39.060
Mm-hmm.

1630
01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:41.340
And did I...

1631
01:13:41.340 --> 01:13:42.720
And section 31 announcement.

1632
01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:46.979
And section 31 announcement. and did I dream Star Trek Romulus?

1633
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.140
Or was that, was that real?

1634
01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:52.199
I might have been an April Fools joke, you know?

1635
01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:54.119
Yeah, might have been an April Fools show.

1636
01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:56.819
They're muting this Star Trek legacy, aren't they?

1637
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.100
And what about Starfleet Academy?

1638
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.359
Was that an April fools joke as well?

1639
01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:02.399
Yeah, I'm not sure anymore.

1640
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:04.199
Yeah, I don't know.

1641
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:05.880
We've got so many Star Trek shows coming out.

1642
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:07.140
We're Braveling Star Wars.

1643
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:09.239
Ross TV, we better hurry up, you know.

1644
01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:10.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1645
01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:11.159
Yeah.

1646
01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:12.359
Are we killing off?

1647
01:14:12.420 --> 01:14:14.699
I mean, because we've had our last Picard.

1648
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:18.180
We're going to have our last season of Discovery next year.

1649
01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:21.420
So there's holes in the...

1650
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:24.119
I said I was going to watch all series 4 discovery before we came

1651
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:25.199
back and I haven't.

1652
01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:27.840
You said you were going to watch all of Enterprise.

1653
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:29.640
Series 4 of Enterprise, so that's good.

1654
01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:33.720
I watched I watched up to the augments thing or is that the 1st

1655
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:33.840
thing?

1656
01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:35.399
How does it start?

1657
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.119
I think I didn't see the final augment.

1658
01:14:39.180 --> 01:14:42.239
I think you stopped watching halfway for episode 2 because you

1659
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.779
didn't get to the bit where the man was murdered horribly, did

1660
01:14:45.779 --> 01:14:45.960
you?

1661
01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:48.779
I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1662
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.119
In the tube, in the tube and all the blood's coming out

1663
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:51.420
everywhere.

1664
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.460
Oh, I can't remember.

1665
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.359
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1666
01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:55.319
No I definitely saw that.

1667
01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:56.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1668
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:56.699
Yeah.

1669
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:58.020
That was another thing.

1670
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.840
It was that like, I'm going to kill one of you every 10 minutes

1671
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.739
until you agree to do the thing and then clearly Vatic watched

1672
01:15:04.739 --> 01:15:07.199
that episode of Enterprise and do the same thing.

1673
01:15:07.619 --> 01:15:10.500
Oh, she was good as well, yeah.

1674
01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.399
I do think she was good.

1675
01:15:11.460 --> 01:15:12.779
But to go on a bit.

1676
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:16.920
I was like, this, and in the end it was all about a bit about

1677
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:17.220
nothing.

1678
01:15:17.220 --> 01:15:18.479
I was like, okay.

1679
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:23.699
So the incredible thing for me was that it took me like 5 or 6

1680
01:15:23.699 --> 01:15:26.939
episodes before I realised that she was a 2nd generation Star Trek

1681
01:15:26.939 --> 01:15:30.899
villain, because of course her father played General Chang in the

1682
01:15:30.899 --> 01:15:32.220
undiscovered country.

1683
01:15:32.220 --> 01:15:36.479
And I think she's better than him, and he's pretty amazing, but I

1684
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:37.859
think she's probably the best one.

1685
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:40.439
I think she's better than Ricardo.

1686
01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:44.100
Nobody will ever top salome gens for me.

1687
01:15:44.340 --> 01:15:47.520
I want the Cardassians executed.

1688
01:15:47.579 --> 01:15:51.119
But you remember that. population.

1689
01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:53.460
You remember crisis point?

1690
01:15:53.460 --> 01:15:54.479
Is it crisis point?

1691
01:15:54.539 --> 01:15:57.239
The episode of, oh, I've gone all fuzzy.

1692
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.020
The episode of, why have I gone fuzzy?

1693
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:01.380
Okay.

1694
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:06.720
Uh, the episode of um, Lower Decks, where, uh, Boimer, like

1695
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:09.659
Mariner writes a film and then she's the villain.

1696
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.100
She's the she's the villain, she's got Tendee and Rutherford and

1697
01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:16.140
stuff in her spaceship and things.

1698
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:24.180
So obviously, obviously, um, Obviously, uh, Mariner is is also the

1699
01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:26.340
best Star Trek movie villain.

1700
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:27.960
But after that.

1701
01:16:28.020 --> 01:16:31.199
After that, after that, it's Vatic.

1702
01:16:31.260 --> 01:16:32.640
I think she was so great.

1703
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:33.779
She was so great.

1704
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:34.380
She was right.

1705
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.560
I just liked just how weird she was.

1706
01:16:37.619 --> 01:16:37.979
Yeah.

1707
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:41.520
She had no intention of playing that role naturalistically in any

1708
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:42.779
way, shape.

1709
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:44.100
Well, it was very...

1710
01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:46.439
Bushing against what everybody else is doing, you know?

1711
01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:47.399
Yeah, yeah.

1712
01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:48.420
So good.

1713
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:53.279
And like she smoked and she was kind of slimy and stuff.

1714
01:16:53.340 --> 01:16:54.659
She was great.

1715
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:56.760
I was like, don't they?

1716
01:16:56.819 --> 01:16:59.699
These founders, although she did look a bit like a founder.

1717
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.420
Yeah, I mean, that was part of the thing, wasn't it, that they

1718
01:17:03.420 --> 01:17:07.319
couldn't be detected and stuff?

1719
01:17:07.380 --> 01:17:08.159
Yeah.

1720
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:09.359
Yeah.

1721
01:17:09.420 --> 01:17:11.039
That no, well, but even...

1722
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.680
No, I do think they do a cheap job better at that.

1723
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:19.680
I did a good job of celebrating all of 90s trek in one way or

1724
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:20.100
another.

1725
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:21.659
Yeah.

1726
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.699
Yeah, I just thought of just one character.

1727
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:27.899
I'd like just one character.

1728
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:28.979
That's one show.

1729
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.939
Do you know, I was super glad that they didn't kill anyone.

1730
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.899
Like, I just thought that's miserable and, you know, Star Wars.

1731
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:37.979
What are you talking about?

1732
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:39.119
They killed a lot of people.

1733
01:17:39.180 --> 01:17:41.460
They didn't kill any of the main 7 though.

1734
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.319
You know, like they didn't kill...

1735
01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:44.159
Oh, I see what you mean.

1736
01:17:44.220 --> 01:17:45.119
Yeah, yeah, no.

1737
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:46.260
Is that what I normally do?

1738
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.220
miserable.

1739
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:48.960
That would have been just, yeah, that's right.

1740
01:17:49.020 --> 01:17:51.960
E-Cheb and Hugh.

1741
01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:53.640
Or each other.

1742
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.159
Who else?

1743
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:57.180
That was terrible.

1744
01:17:57.180 --> 01:17:57.779
Anson Rose.

1745
01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:58.560
That was pretty great.

1746
01:17:58.619 --> 01:18:00.840
And Shelby.

1747
01:18:00.899 --> 01:18:01.560
I didn't like that.

1748
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.720
Yeah, I didn't like that.

1749
01:18:03.779 --> 01:18:05.159
Let them have lives.

1750
01:18:05.220 --> 01:18:07.319
Oh, well, they're made up.

1751
01:18:07.380 --> 01:18:07.859
It's fine.

1752
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:11.100
And we did get to see her again and she was pretty great.

1753
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.180
That was actually a really, really good scene with her and him

1754
01:18:15.180 --> 01:18:16.739
wasn't it, in the bar?

1755
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.359
Like you broke my heart.

1756
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.300
I just thought...

1757
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:23.460
I thought that whole episode was great until the end.

1758
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.760
And then I was just like, don't kill her.

1759
01:18:26.819 --> 01:18:29.100
For God's sake, I know I'm glad they killed her.

1760
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:30.119
Yeah, yeah.

1761
01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:32.760
That raises the stakes and it doesn't matter whether she dies or

1762
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:34.859
not because it's not like there was ever going to be anything with

1763
01:18:34.859 --> 01:18:36.119
Row in it again, ever.

1764
01:18:36.180 --> 01:18:38.340
You know, like she was done.

1765
01:18:38.699 --> 01:18:42.539
You can always go back and watch Battlestar Galactica episodes.

1766
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:44.159
Oh, that's true, yeah.

1767
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:45.539
She's endorsing rape.

1768
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.119
She's really good in that too.

1769
01:18:48.180 --> 01:18:50.100
She's terrifying in that.

1770
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:53.939
Gets that job on the strength of her performance in Star Trek, I

1771
01:18:53.939 --> 01:18:54.180
think.

1772
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:55.140
She's so good.

1773
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:57.239
Yeah.

1774
01:18:57.239 --> 01:19:00.600
And I think maybe I re-imagining in Picard might be on the

1775
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.760
strength of a performance in Boustard Galactica.

1776
01:19:02.819 --> 01:19:06.119
Yeah, yeah. feeding each other there.

1777
01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:07.680
It was good.

1778
01:19:07.739 --> 01:19:08.579
It was probably good.

1779
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.220
We're going to have a big preamble, we better get going.

1780
01:19:11.220 --> 01:19:14.699
I think this might be a long, it might be a long episode.

1781
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:16.920
Yeah, yeah.

1782
01:19:16.979 --> 01:19:17.399
Okay.

1783
01:19:17.460 --> 01:19:18.119
All right.

1784
01:19:18.180 --> 01:19:20.819
Oh, well, I've got another thing to talk about as well, but I'll

1785
01:19:20.819 --> 01:19:22.920
put that in just before we go into the episode, all right?

1786
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:23.880
All right, cool.

1787
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:29.460
In fact, no, you because my thing is so insignificant, yeah.

1788
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.399
You say about all of the, oh, no, hang on.

1789
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:35.279
We're doing the taggers, all the other stuff.

1790
01:19:35.340 --> 01:19:37.439
Oh, okay, so I'll put it in the tag then.

1791
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:38.640
This is the show.

1792
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.500
Okay.

1793
01:19:40.619 --> 01:19:42.720
Yeah, this is the tag.

1794
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:44.880
Well, right now.

1795
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:46.140
Yeah.

1796
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:47.699
Oh okay.

1797
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:49.020
Yeah we're doing the tag.

1798
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:49.859
That why we're talking.

1799
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:51.239
Well, this whole time.

1800
01:19:51.300 --> 01:19:53.579
Well, since it's cold.

1801
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:54.239
I'm off guard.

1802
01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:55.859
I didn't even realise.

1803
01:19:55.920 --> 01:20:00.060
I could have said anything. pants on now when.

1804
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.420
I'll never do that Well, then may I add then.

1805
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:07.380
Yeah.

1806
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:09.060
The longest tag we've ever done.

1807
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:09.840
Oh, yeah.

1808
01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:11.340
Well, we've been off.

1809
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:12.539
We've been off.

1810
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:13.619
People need to know why.

1811
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:15.899
I can't believe I didn't realise we've been, this has been part of

1812
01:20:15.899 --> 01:20:18.000
the episode for the last sort of 10 minutes or so.

1813
01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:21.420
Anything could be, the moment you press record, anything could

1814
01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:21.720
be.

1815
01:20:21.899 --> 01:20:23.460
That's true.

1816
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:24.899
And you've already done that a few times.

1817
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.579
I've done that to you.

1818
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:30.600
Suddenly I'm going to adopt my podcasting voice all of a sudden.

1819
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:31.140
Okay.

1820
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:35.819
And may I may I introduce you to, Yeah, I told you I occasionally

1821
01:20:35.819 --> 01:20:39.300
peruse 2nd hour bookshops, you know, and this one.

1822
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:40.500
Oh, you sent me this photo?

1823
01:20:40.619 --> 01:20:44.220
Every now and again, I find an absolute gem, which is Star Trek

1824
01:20:44.220 --> 01:20:48.600
related, but never before has been anything so amazing as the Star

1825
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.340
Trek cookbook, as written by Ethan Phillips from Star Trek.

1826
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:54.420
Oh, my God.

1827
01:20:54.539 --> 01:21:00.119
So when we when I was staying with you, we watched Toby Hadoke

1828
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:06.180
friend of your other podcast, Toby Hadoke, um, doing the Doctor

1829
01:21:06.180 --> 01:21:10.800
Who cookbook, Gary Downey's terrible cookbook from the 1980s, and

1830
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:14.520
all of the food was just fucking horrendous, like absolutely

1831
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:15.840
disgusting.

1832
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:19.560
What do you think about, what do you think about Ethan?

1833
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:23.220
What joy of this is he's taken genuine recipes that have appeared

1834
01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:27.539
throughout the Star Trek franchise from the original series all

1835
01:21:27.539 --> 01:21:28.739
the way through to Voyager.

1836
01:21:29.100 --> 01:21:32.399
I was trying to...

1837
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.979
The official cookbook from Star Trek's 1st chef.

1838
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:39.359
An exploration of Star Trek cuisine or the earthbound.

1839
01:21:39.420 --> 01:21:43.079
So he's taken these, you know, things like, you know, frangi puffs

1840
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.060
and things like this that they eat in episodes.

1841
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:46.920
I just don't do any random page.

1842
01:21:46.979 --> 01:21:49.020
Andorian tuba root.

1843
01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:51.899
Is there...

1844
01:21:51.899 --> 01:21:52.739
It gives them...

1845
01:21:52.739 --> 01:21:53.520
Of course.

1846
01:21:53.579 --> 01:21:59.579
Okay, gives them earth... ingredients.

1847
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:01.739
Sweet potatoes, butter, milk.

1848
01:22:01.859 --> 01:22:04.199
Is there a Tronya?

1849
01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:08.100
There is a Tronya drink.

1850
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:09.119
Yes, it is fruit juice.

1851
01:22:09.180 --> 01:22:13.260
But the best thing ever is just like the Doctor Who cookbook, he

1852
01:22:13.260 --> 01:22:18.659
has got contributors to Star Trek to their own recipes.

1853
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:23.220
So I present to you marina services, eggplant casserole.

1854
01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:30.659
I thought she would just say, well, just put the football on and

1855
01:22:30.659 --> 01:22:32.159
open some beers.

1856
01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:34.020
Get the old machine in.

1857
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:34.979
Cut it in off.

1858
01:22:35.100 --> 01:22:36.779
Twisted on a bit of oil.

1859
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:38.880
She sounds a bit like Jamie Oliver now, doesn't she?

1860
01:22:38.939 --> 01:22:41.340
She serve.

1861
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:42.539
And that's your dinner, all right.

1862
01:22:42.779 --> 01:22:47.279
And any of the any of the Roberts to any of the Roberts contribute

1863
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:47.760
the recipe?

1864
01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:50.939
Pretty much every one, a couple of people from every iteration of

1865
01:22:50.939 --> 01:22:52.739
Star Trek up to Voyager.

1866
01:22:52.859 --> 01:22:56.699
I think an Enterprise, I think there's there's some, it's an

1867
01:22:56.699 --> 01:22:57.239
absolute sure.

1868
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:59.579
Anyway, I thought every now and again I'll regale you or I'll just

1869
01:22:59.579 --> 01:23:01.079
turn up eating something.

1870
01:23:01.140 --> 01:23:02.520
Cook, the funniest.

1871
01:23:02.579 --> 01:23:03.899
The funniest thing in the world is.

1872
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:05.220
Obviously, I bought this book.

1873
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:06.180
I was with Mark at the time.

1874
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:09.659
I sent him a message in a week saying, oh, I'm going to make

1875
01:23:09.659 --> 01:23:10.199
dinner tonight.

1876
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.260
And then when he got in, he was like, oh, I thought we were having

1877
01:23:13.260 --> 01:23:14.760
something from the Star Trek cookbook.

1878
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.180
Did he end up watching any more of series one?

1879
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:19.260
Did you make it all the way through?

1880
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.880
We've watched we've watched the 1st 10 episodes of series one.

1881
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.119
He's enjoying them way more than I am.

1882
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:29.939
It's still Star Trek.

1883
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.779
I mean, it's shitty, but you know, no one died, well, apart from

1884
01:23:33.779 --> 01:23:35.100
Tashi Yar.

1885
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:39.659
And it's, you know, it's a shitty Star Trek season, but you know

1886
01:23:39.659 --> 01:23:40.560
we love Star Trek.

1887
01:23:40.619 --> 01:23:43.979
Hey, we can say with some certainty that this is the only time

1888
01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:48.239
that justice has prompted somebody to do a rewatch of the next

1889
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:48.720
generation.

1890
01:23:48.779 --> 01:23:50.880
That's funny.

1891
01:23:50.939 --> 01:23:51.720
Holy shit.

1892
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:53.880
Right.

1893
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.319
Now we've been going 15 minutes.

1894
01:23:55.380 --> 01:23:58.140
We've got to start the actual...

1895
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.500
Oh no, we have been going 11 minutes.

1896
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:02.100
All right, good.

1897
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:02.760
That's good, train.

1898
01:24:02.819 --> 01:24:03.420
That's good length.

1899
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:05.159
It would have missed us, I'm sure.

1900
01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:05.819
Yeah.

1901
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.659
They're just talking this, talking about this episode.

1902
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:12.420
Jesus, I wish you'd have told me this was the tag.

1903
01:24:13.380 --> 01:24:17.100
You have thrown in more jokes. right.

1904
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:17.880
I would have done.

1905
01:24:17.939 --> 01:24:19.199
Here goes.

1906
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.779
This is how I charismatic he normally is.

1907
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.399
Why am I out of focus?

1908
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:24.960
Is it the microphone?

1909
01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:26.100
focussing on the microphone.

1910
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:26.520
Okay.

1911
01:24:27.659 --> 01:24:29.340
Hey, Joe.