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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back.

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We're back on opposite sides of the world and we...

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That was so much fun, but we're resuming our random amble through the Star Trek franchise, and as we rolled much earlier this year, we are doing episode 8 of Strange New Worlds, which is called the Elysian Kingdom.

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And to my delight, we got to watch episodes 8 and 9 together when you were here in England.

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And boy, what a pair of episodes they were.

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That's pretty good.

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If people ever suggest that Strange New Worlds is a bit one note and just a love letter to TOS.

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It certainly is not.

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This is, you know, madcap fantasy with a touch of tragedy.

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And the annoying was the scariest fucking thing I've ever seen. in Star Trek.

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I reckon in series one of Discovery, when they were kind of trying to distinguish themselves and say this is what Star Trek's like now, they did have an episode a bit like that.

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Remember where they went to Discovery Sistership and the Tartar Grade was tearing people to pieces and it was like incredibly gory and gruesome?

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But that was, that was great.

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And I think what they do really well in Strange New Worlds is they stake out the area that Star Trek's going to operate in and that they make it very clear what sort of show it is.

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And that area is just a lot like original Star Trek.

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And I think that's so good.

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I love its simplicity.

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I love the fact that these are standalone episodes for the most part.

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There's some loose arcs running through the year, but it's not it's not heavy.

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Like, I don't know, series one of Picard or Discovery, which were, you know, big, big novels being told over a season.

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So to me, this feels absolutely original and 90s trek as well.

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I sent a message to you earlier because I watched this again this morning and watching this episode back.

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I think it's one of the strongest of that 1st year, but it's not doing anything especially original. i.e. we've, you know, tarted up the sets before we've had a storybook come to life before.

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We've had people acting out of character before, and we've had, you know, lonely entities.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, we've had about 15 of those episodes, if you look backwards.

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What's great about this is it's sort of playing in that sandbox with these new characters and this entire cast of characters is fantastic.

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So it's doing all those Star Trek cliches, but in a really fun.

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There's the whole new energy to it because it's with these characters.

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Yeah.

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And the thing is, too, like we said this about dramatis persona.

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There was no energy at all, Matt.

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And everyone says this about the naked now that that was too early in the run to be doing an episode where everyone acts wildly out of character.

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Plenty of sexual energy in that one.

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You, horny, rod and b-sexual air and energy.

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Not now, doctor.

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But these characters are so well-drawn, so well-drawn immediately and so likeable.

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And it's not just that it's those characters who we've known for a long time.

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It is just these actors and this writing that managed to produce a group of really likeable, really well-drawn people.

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And in fact, perhaps the person who has had the least kind of character work by this point is Dr. Mabengo.

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He's perhaps the one that we know the least, although he has had this kind of running plot for quite a while, I think.

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And certainly last week, I don't know that you've seen episode seven, have you?

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It's called...

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No, there's 2 I haven't seen 7 and 10.

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Yeah. 7 is very, very good, and he does have a subplot about Rukia and Dr. Mabengo, and so it does lead sort of very well into this.

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And I think what they said at the time, when they were making it, it was going to have character arcs, but not plot arcs was the plan.

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So refreshing.

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Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

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So the characters do move, things happen.

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Like things like chapel and Spock's relationship, um, you know, Spock, uh, and to bring, um, we get a mention of Pike's eventual fate quite early on, and then that's dealt with at the end of the series.

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Like all of those sorts of things do happen.

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And so they make us feel like we are in a world where things happen, but they don't have kind of long term products.

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I think that works really well.

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I really like, I've not seen this sort of configuration of a crew before.

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So you've got a captain who hogs the limelight, the least of any captain I've ever seen, and it's so generous as an actor and some mouth, that he gives so much space to all the other actor, but he's very charming and laid back and you want to watch him anyway.

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You've got like Uhura reimagined as somebody with massive agency and smarts and who gets involved in the plots in a, you know, really proper way.

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Unlike, you know, I like old Ahura, don't get me wrong.

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She was groundbreaking, but she was very often stuck there with her finger on her ear, saying, Captain, something's coming through.

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Um, you've got, uh, like, you say, Dr. MaBenge?

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you say it?

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You say, but this is the episode where he gets his character development.

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And beautifully so as well because he's so understated as an actor.

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Giving him this madcap comedy episode for the 1st 2 thirds.

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It's almost unthinkable, but then it hits in the last 3rd where he shows more emotion than pretty much any other character in this show to this point.

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Like he's so moving towards, you know, and I think as a performance piece, this shows what he can do, the actor.

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What's the femme's name?

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Let's get this now.

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Yeah, no, it's I haven't never heard it said aloud.

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So it's Babs or Loosen McCoon, but I've never heard.

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I've never heard anyone say it aloud, so I may well have stuffed it up.

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And he is a character from original track.

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He does appear in a few episodes.

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You've also got fabulous Nurse Chapel, you know, no longer weeping over Spock every 2 minutes and it's actually just very charming and cute and, you know, doing a lot as well.

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And, you know, my, what we did strange new worlds, the pilot, I said the one character I was a bit uncertain about was, you know, angry, tough as boots, la arm.

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I was like, oh, good grief, she's a bit much, isn't she?

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What come the end of the season?

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I think she might be my favourite character in the show.

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She goes on a hell of a journey and may I say her performance in this episode. something else.

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She's incredible in this.

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What's the actress's name?

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It's Christina Chong, who was, of course, in Doctor Who's, uh, good man goes to.

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No, is it a good man goes to war?

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A good man goes to war, but we will not hold that against her.

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All right?

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I quite like that.

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But she is.

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She's fantastic in this, and I thought she was really good in episode one, but she's great here.

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Yeah, but then in the next episode, you know, it's a gore episode and, you know, that her backstory is the gore one has torn through, you know, pretty much everyone she's ever known.

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And she's angry and she's like, you know, military.

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And in this, she's a cutesy wootsy princess with her little doggy.

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You know, my little popsicle, you know. so funny.

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It's actual.

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Yeah, you can tell it's licking her.

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It's licking her everywhere.

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It's okay.

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It's so funny.

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But you know what?

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Like, what I really loved about this particular episode as well, beyond the fact that it does do something very unusual, and that is turn the comedy into tragedy in that last third, which I think it does, exceptionally.

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And to change tones like that.

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Yeah.

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It's not easy, especially when what you've had before is so far.

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But what I think is funny is that the area that it stakes out as one of the kinds of things this version of Star Trek can do isn't an episode that Discovery could ever do.

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Discovery couldn't do an episode like this at all.

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And series one of Discovery has Harry Mudd, in 2 episodes, it's got a time loop episode.

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It's got a mirror universe thing, it's very definitely saying that we do crazy, crappy 60s Star Trek as well, but it doesn't go as far as this.

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It's got an edge to it, though.

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All of those episodes had a bit of an edge to them, the discovery ones.

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This is just really charming and silly.

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And a bit childish.

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I don't think discovery would ever go there.

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No, I don't either.

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The closest it gets is when Harry Mudd meets his, you know, his girlfriend and her father.

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It's kind of like crappy 60s trek comes in and claims Harry Mudd because that's where he really belongs.

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The Discovery characters are looking at each other like what is going on there?

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This is not the show we're normally in.

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That's it.

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That's exactly it Whereas everyone in this embraces it and, you know, everyone's getting a chance to play out of character.

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So we're getting to see what they can do away from their usual characters and they're all just brilliant.

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I think the weakest was probably.

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Oh, good grief.

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I was so terrible with the names.

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The helmsman.

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Oh, um, so that's Erica.

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No, I don't think she's terrible.

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I just think I just think she's great.

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She's not a 1000000 miles away from what she normally plays, whereas everybody else is completely... well, I don't know.

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Well, Ethan Pike has the brooding Lords of the Rings-esque fellow with a big sword.

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And he's smoking hot in this, isn't he?

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He really is.

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I think that what they do, how she's playing against type, is that her and Pike, have, you know, like Erica and Pike, have this kind of sexy flirty thing going on in the bridge, and because she's coded as queer, it doesn't matter. you know, like it's not creepy or anything, but he'll say something sort of super relaxed about getting the ship in, you know, hit it and then she'll say something, you know, and they have that sort of comedy flirty relationship.

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And so to make the antagonist in the in the story as well, it's fun, I think, and that's how she's playing against type.

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Also, the trouble is.

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We've, we've adds.

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Yeah, of course.

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We've had some mouth as this obsequious, cowardy leash.

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She hasn't got a hope because all you're just looking at him.

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And I've got to say, again, very selfless because you would imagine, if this was Shatner, he'd be playing the Warrior King with the big sword, you know?

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He wouldn't be the one on his knees going, oh, oh, you know, I'll obey anybody, you know, just don't kill me.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Shannon can do comedy.

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Shatner can be funny, but I don't think he's a generous actor. always to the service of his ego.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, that's a mouth. don't know.

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I just don't think he needs it pampered.

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He's just happy to be there.

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And he's really great in this, I think is great.

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So what do you reckon?

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should probably watch it.

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We should, I think.

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We've discussed plenty of it already, but there's more to say.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so we've got our...

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Star Trek logo.

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Did I do this appropriate show now?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's their big, this is a big franchise thing they're doing.

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Oh, I wonder...

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Yeah, we get that.

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Do you know what?

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Do you know what I especially liked about this, you know, was how it reminded me of those, you know, 90s trek episodes like Masked, where they just turned the shit.

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They put a few drapes up and a few popcorns. and then pretend, pretend we're in, you know, some magical kingdom.

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So this is introducing us to that plot from an episode earlier in the season.

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But it has this thing where he says something about the ending.

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It doesn't mean this story's ending can't miraculously change.

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And in fact, I think the one weakness that this script has is that the, the plot of the fantasy thing is really undercooked, but there is an attempt to kind of link the 2 plots together, the fantasy plot and the Mabenga plot, and it doesn't quite land.

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But in this conversation where he is speaking to his daughter, to Rakia, there is a kind of thing about, can we change the ending of the story?

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Like this story is heading towards her death.

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We need to get a better ending and the thing where he discovers that it's her that the story is being taken from is when she changes the ending.

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Yeah.

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So...

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Well, for me, I was like, are we going around in circles quite a lot just talking about this?

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What is it they're all looking for?

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All the characters?

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The magical crystal... stone?

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Is it there?

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There's something stone.

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They're all after this amazing thing. it turns out it is the little girl.

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But we have to go through him experiencing all of those characters together in order for him to realise, actually, the story is not coming from the book.

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It's coming from the girl.

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Because I was like, okay, where's this going?

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And then I was like, okay, we're going for all of this so he can make that realisation.

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And he too, that's kind of cool that what she wants to change about the story is she wants 2 of the characters to come together.

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You know, 2 characters who ordinarily wouldn't meet come together and then they, the problem is solved and that's what happens at the end. you know, like so that, but all of that is just not quite there.

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But it is very realistic because I remember reading books as a kid, you know, and I'd be like, oh, I want to get to the Daleks, you know, this is boring.

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Let's skip ahead.

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Yeah.

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So this story, the Elysian Kingdom is written by Benny Russell.

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It is on the front.

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I think you know Russell...

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Yeah.

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I was going to say there's 2 influen- 2 DS9 influencers here.

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One is obviously Benny Russell is Cisco's alter ego in the car race infused alternative timeline there, but also as well, I was like, you know, this is a, they're showing a black man being very sensitive with a child, which is something that DS9 kind of brought to the trick universe in a massive way.

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I think their mother, like her mother is dead.

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I think Deborah is dead and that's the idea, isn't it?

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Like, it's not a divorce.

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Like she names the entity Deborah after her mother.

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So her mother's dead.

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So he's a single father and looking after this girl sort of secretly.

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And, and, There's something as well.

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He's African.

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Remember how, remember how Ahura's African, right, in in the 60s, but she's obviously played by an African-American woman, you know, um, and I always thought that her being African made her more acceptable possibly to a potentially um, racist audience, you know, because she's not one of the, she's African, you know, she's, she speaks Swahili and so on.

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Um, and and so our, you know, Celia Gooding, I keep wanting to call her Celia Gooding, Jr.

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Um, Celia Gooding is um, is, you know, also African, even though she reads like an African-American.

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This guy gets to do his own accent.

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Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

209
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Like, because the show has been too American.

210
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Like if you think about Star Trek, the next generation, everyone's American, aren't they?

211
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except for Marina and Patrick...

212
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Well, I think it was, again, it was DS Night. because do you remember that episode where Cisco's unpacking all of his African art?

213
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and he says, you know, I'm going to put this up around my quarters.

214
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That's how I know this is my home now.

215
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And it's a massive strength rather than something that the audience can use to sort of attack that character with.

216
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And he's African-American, isn't he?

217
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That character is actually from America.

218
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His father lives in New Orleans and so on, but he's...

219
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You see the clothes he wears?

220
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Jeez, yeah, he's conscious of his his African heritage.

221
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I think, I mean, he's his accent, he's got that really soft voice, like, um, I think he's sexy as hell, Nathan, you know. so good.

222
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There's just something... like a quiet strength about him that I really like.

223
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Yeah.

224
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But like, it's interesting.

225
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Compare him.

226
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Compare his performance to Avery Brooks.

227
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If we're saying there, effectively got like the same backstory.

228
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Like he, I'm not sure this guy could front a show because he is too, is a little too uncharismatic.

229
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Yeah, I think that makes him perfect for the role of the doctor.

230
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Yeah, he's really withdrawn and really uncertain and I think he plays that really amazingly well.

231
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Look at this beautiful set.

232
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I know, it was so funny is when they when they redress it, you know, it looks super cheap, but in a wonderful sort of original trek way.

233
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Well, I actually thought, you know, part of the, it's a weird decision, isn't it?

234
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Because, you know, Cupid, I think is the closest that, this is the closest analogue, isn't it?

235
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It's Cupid.

236
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In terms of them sort of having a laugh has different characters.

237
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Yeah, putting the period dress on and all of that sort of thing.

238
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But in terms of redressing the ship is masks, for sure.

239
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Oh yeah, I guess so.

240
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I guess so.

241
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I love those curtains though.

242
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I think I think it looks great.

243
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Well, what's different is the masks?

244
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Yeah.

245
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You get all these long shots and everything just looks a bit boring, but redressed.

246
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Whereas here, when all the all the corridors are like forest and the cameras sort of going in and out of the trees and doing sort of clever things to make you feel like they're outside and the lighting's really good.

247
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But I like the throne room, you know, the fact that this is all in these sort of thick green curtains.

248
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So good.

249
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I was getting mad intendant vibes from her, you know, we'll get there when she's on it later.

250
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I loved all of this.

251
00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:21.420
So I loved all of this, how relaxed it was on the bridge and how, just sort of hanging, hanging out.

252
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There's nothing going on.

253
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There's no plot happening.

254
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And they're just sort of talking and I was like, I could do with a bit more of this in Star Trek, you know?

255
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

256
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Well, that's it.

257
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Just part of the mechanics of being on the ship.

258
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And I think, I think, you know, we talk about early, um, Star Trek the Next Generation, but series 2 of Star Trek the Next Generation has stacks of that just hanging around because they haven't got any writers, you know, to make any action happen.

259
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Manhunt was literally that for an entire episode, wasn't it?

260
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It was intolerable, wasn't it?

261
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But I love the relationship between Pike and Erica.

262
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Holy crap, it's good.

263
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It's so great.

264
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Here we go.

265
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Oh, here we go.

266
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Right.

267
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So we are now in the Elysian kingdom, folks.

268
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Yes.

269
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And the doctor is dressed up in the most resplendent way.

270
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You've got the sort of red robes and a fabulous crown on the crown.

271
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I think the crown looks incredible.

272
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Oh my god.

273
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Pikes.

274
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Pikes.

275
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Pike's got oiled curtains.

276
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They look amazing.

277
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Well, no, because that hair, that massive wall of hair that sticks up all the time and then sort of oiled it so that it's sitting flat against his head.

278
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It's so funny and he's what the hell response.

279
00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:36.839
And some of the like a lot of the comedy.

280
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Oh boy, this theme tune.

281
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So good.

282
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I'll say it every time, the bit where it goes, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

283
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I love that bit.

284
00:20:46.259 --> 00:20:57.420
Um, I was going to say, yeah, there are a lot of comedy comes from the fact that he's so understated in his reactions to all of this insanity that's going on around him.

285
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That's really funny.

286
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It's that sort of area of comedy of, if you don't react to it.

287
00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:04.859
It's funnier than if you do.

288
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Yeah.

289
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

290
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If he'd boggled for that last line, that would...

291
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By finding nothing at all amazing.

292
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It's the funniest thing in the world, you know?

293
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.720
He does get a couple of lines like that throughout the thing.

294
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Gosh, these titles are beautiful as well, aren't they?

295
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It's when it's when the characters that we expect to be very serious are outrageous in this.

296
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So that's when the comedy flies.

297
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Yeah.

298
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Yeah.

299
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Yeah.

300
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Even the engineer, the engineer gets at least wonderful.

301
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He's so good.

302
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What's his name?

303
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Uh, um, Hammer.

304
00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.420
Yeah, yeah, Bruce Horror.

305
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:46.980
What a great little RK ad.

306
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Yeah, yeah.

307
00:21:48.180 --> 00:22:04.859
And I think I think that he was originally not going to be, I think he was not going to be as big a role initially, but I think when they decided to kill him in episode nine, They went back and beefed him up in other things because he's not in every episode.

308
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But he is in the opening titles.

309
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And so...

310
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Do you know that?

311
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:11.519
I think I said to you when you were here, that's how you do it.

312
00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:24.960
Like, I remember being appalled by Angels series one where they introduced a very small core set of regulars and then just murdered off one of the regulars in episode 6 of a 25 episode season.

313
00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:27.420
And it just felt really, I don't know.

314
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.519
It felt as if the series was getting going and then it was just a shock to like, are you paid?

315
00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:34.500
Whereas here, you have a 10 episode season.

316
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You introduce a character, you let him get to know everybody else, and then he sort of warms up a little bit, especially in this, and then you murder him horribly in the penultimate episode.

317
00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:45.539
That's how you do it.

318
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Yeah.

319
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:55.380
And and I wonder whether they'll keep the core cast all the way through because one of the things Discovery does is that people come and go from the ship.

320
00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:03.059
And one of the least realistic things about original Trek is that everyone is in the same job for 7 years.

321
00:23:03.059 --> 00:23:06.779
And, you know, no one, like that's basically it.

322
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:08.460
But we love that, don't we?

323
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.720
You know, when I win, yeah.

324
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:12.660
When they took out Jadzia in series 6, we were appalled.

325
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:24.359
I mean, we've got history, but yeah, but basically everyone just sort of sits there for the same amount of time. and they eventually have to address the fact that it's ludicrous, for instance, that Rikert doesn't get a promotion, you know.

326
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.000
It should be a joke in lower deck, shouldn't it?

327
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:29.579
There'd be some really dangerous situation.

328
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.940
And someone should just go, well, don't worry, we'll still be here in 3 years time.

329
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.200
So we'll be all right, right.

330
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:39.299
Well, Hammer could come back, just like Shacks did or, you know, if...

331
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:40.859
That was so funny.

332
00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:43.980
Bring Captain Shaw back in...

333
00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:45.299
How did you come back, Shacks?

334
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.619
You can't know.

335
00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:48.660
Great.

336
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.460
A whole B plot about it.

337
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.220
That was so good.

338
00:23:54.539 --> 00:24:00.059
I think it's great that Erica is now like that character's a man.

339
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.259
I mean, it's, sir, and, sir, and, yeah.

340
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.740
It's that sort of weird thing where Americans think sir, is like mister, and it goes in front of people's last names instead of their 1st names.

341
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.700
It's very odd.

342
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:16.740
But she's Saradya, who is a man, I think, originally, but it isn't.

343
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:18.779
Is it specified?

344
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:19.740
I can't remember.

345
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.359
No, I didn't even pick up on it.

346
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:24.660
I wasn't sure she was playing a man actually until you just sit there, so thank you.

347
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:26.039
Oh, I'm not sure either.

348
00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:32.519
You know, but because the kind of cute relationship that, um, she has with Una.

349
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.160
Last one.

350
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.079
We know each other intimately.

351
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:38.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

352
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.359
Quite well.

353
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:42.480
Now, look at, listen to me, Justice, all right?

354
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:43.440
That how you do it, all right?

355
00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:54.779
Yeah, but that's the other fun thing about Strange New Worlds, is that Discovery was there, and it was incredibly queer, and it had trans characters and gay characters and so on.

356
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.440
And then they announced Strange New Worlds and said it was going to be more Trad.

357
00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:03.180
And I thought, oh, okay, so is this the version of Star Trek so that racists can enjoy it?

358
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.339
They were never going to take a backstaff.

359
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:06.359
Of course, they weren't.

360
00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:12.480
And so here's his fabulous Melissa Navia, and I don't know what her sexuality is.

361
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:18.119
I think she had a husband at some point, but she's definitely coded as queer, she's definitely playing it that way here.

362
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:21.599
Fabulous characters that are people of colour.

363
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.200
Fabulous.

364
00:25:22.259 --> 00:25:23.160
Like Uhura.

365
00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.200
It's just rock, so good.

366
00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:30.480
Nathan, I still think, you know, I still think that 2nd episode might be the best of the year.

367
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:31.380
Really great.

368
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.240
It's so good, isn't it?

369
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:34.920
It's a beautiful piece of Star Trek.

370
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:40.380
Yeah, told me, you know, I'll be saying that about the Yahura episode. in your face.

371
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.980
But, like, it's not just a good episode of Star Trek.

372
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.740
It's not just a good episode of Strangely Worlds.

373
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.599
I think it's a top tier Star Trek episode.

374
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:52.140
Like, I think it's up with getting there with Darmok nearly.

375
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.759
Yeah, in terms of communication, yeah, absolutely.

376
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.640
I'm sorry, if you squint just a little bit here.

377
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:01.319
This could be a next generation episode now.

378
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:05.460
We've got a little bit of miss, bronze coming down, hexagonal corridors.

379
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:11.640
The way you can tell it's not generation and next generation is because it's so sophisticatedly lit.

380
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.579
Yeah, yeah, the light is really great, isn't it?

381
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.819
I love how she's now like a hippie chick of some kind.

382
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:24.059
I'd be a bit annoyed if I was her, though, because everyone else is having a lot more fun than her.

383
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.500
Yeah, yeah.

384
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:33.059
So they've made Jess, who's Christina Chapel play, sort of, she's a witch lady, isn't she?

385
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.339
Or something like that, but she sort of downplays it a bit.

386
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.980
She said, and she's a little bit of a hippie.

387
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.799
And I kind of like that because it does work with her, you know.

388
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.839
She's got a contrast again, isn't it?

389
00:26:42.900 --> 00:27:00.660
Because normally she's sort of quite energetic and Full on, whereas here she's very restrained and I do like her reaction to being scared and she does have a funny line about Christina Chong's dopamine level that ends this scene, which I think is pretty good.

390
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:07.799
Well, like in all intents and purposes, this is probably the cheapy of the year, isn't it?

391
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.500
All the standard sets minimally redressed.

392
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.160
Yeah.

393
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.440
With just the R.

394
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.519
Oh, my gosh.

395
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:15.900
Oh, here she is.

396
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:16.619
Look at that frog.

397
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.039
The fact the fact that she comes in through that mist with that dress.

398
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:22.380
Look at it.

399
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.960
It's so great. so funny.

400
00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:26.400
Oh my god.

401
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.259
They give the dog things to do.

402
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.279
Like, the dog actually gets 2 lines, like 2 kind of laugh lines.

403
00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:40.440
And you have to think that Christina has just said, you know, I want to, I think my dog would be perfect in this.

404
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:46.619
And obviously, in the rehearsal was going, I'm going to play this to the hill, you know?

405
00:27:46.680 --> 00:28:02.099
Because she's such, it's exactly what you said about your reaction to her after episode one, how she was sort of hard bitten and stuff and she had this heartbreaking backstory about her family being eaten by rubber lizards in cocktail dresses.

406
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.920
And it was all very serious and she was very hard bitten and tough.

407
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:12.539
And so having her play this so silly and so adorable.

408
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.440
And she said, oh, you know, I've got a cavoodle who'd be perfect.

409
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.660
I'm going to get my dog in here.

410
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.359
He's scared to the dog.

411
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:27.839
The dog reacts to be concerned, you know, that this is what Americans think the British aristocracy is like.

412
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.220
Yeah, yeah.

413
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.299
Yeah, yeah.

414
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.180
They think it's Julie Andrews, don't they?

415
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:34.079
Oh, God.

416
00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:35.460
She does a little twirl.

417
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.599
Her dress pops out.

418
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:38.099
Oh, it's so and do you know what?

419
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:38.940
Look at her possums.

420
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:39.900
Yeah, yeah.

421
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.640
You can't see them at all in that unit.

422
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.279
Look, the dog's applauding.

423
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:56.519
I know there's a bit of a, I want to throw a compliment at the costume designer as well in this, who is really, like, these costumes are really rich and colourful and memorable for everybody.

424
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:58.920
I mean, just look at the stuff in her hair here.

425
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

426
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:05.339
Oh, I was really, really admiring, um, seeing as an outfit.

427
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.559
Sorry, the dog's looking at tits.

428
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:08.759
He's licking her tits.

429
00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:10.799
That's got to be her dog.

430
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:12.240
You know what it is.

431
00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:16.859
It's the studio lights and so she's sweating and the dog is licking sweat off her skin.

432
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.299
That's the thing that they do.

433
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:19.980
And she does actually notice it.

434
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:24.599
You can see the actor noticing that it's happening and just kind of going, all right, whatever.

435
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:25.319
I'll keep going.

436
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:34.680
The reaction there. from Dr. Mabenga, where he just widens his eyes slightly.

437
00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:44.640
Essentially, any scene that she is in is gold. and the bit later on where she sings the opera. is so funny.

438
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:48.779
And so who Emma?

439
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.700
His hammer.

440
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:55.680
And he, he's not affected because he's telepathic.

441
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.460
Is that it?

442
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.079
That's right.

443
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:58.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

444
00:29:58.799 --> 00:29:59.039
Yeah.

445
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:05.160
Then he's, unlike the doctor, he really, really gets involved when he can, you know?

446
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:07.740
I think he's a bit of a ham at heart.

447
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

448
00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:10.740
And he's so good.

449
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:12.299
Holy crap, he's great.

450
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.920
He's a handsome man as well.

451
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:17.880
I don't know if you've seen him out of costume, but out of the makeup.

452
00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:19.019
He's a good looking man.

453
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.059
And he is actually blind.

454
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:28.140
So this is a, you know, we had a disabled character in Star Trek the Next Generation played by an able body character.

455
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.819
Here we have a blind alien played by a blind human.

456
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.740
I think that's, you know, superb.

457
00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:42.779
No, it is worth noting, but this is this sort of episode that my other half would consider agonising in Star Trek.

458
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.000
Basically, when anyone's having fun, you know.

459
00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:52.500
But I want to say as well, like, obviously, we talk about jammer quite a lot, jammer's reviews online. he really didn't like this.

460
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.460
So where's the division here?

461
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.799
Like, why don't people like fun in Star Trek?

462
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:09.599
I think, like, I think that he, what he thought was all of this was a waste of time because...

463
00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:15.960
No, he found the plot of the book uninvolving.

464
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:17.099
Do you know what I mean?

465
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.160
And I don't think you're meant to be involved in the plot.

466
00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:25.500
What you are meant to be involved in is him trying to work out what to do.

467
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.940
Like we're in this situation.

468
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.799
He and Hammer aren't affected.

469
00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:31.559
How does, like what is he even supposed to do?

470
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.180
How does he get out of this?

471
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:40.259
And so, but, and also we're just having fun with them being silly. hurry, sir.

472
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.539
Yeah. this is the 1st time they've had a chance to do this.

473
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:59.400
But the thing, the telling thing was that he said that in a 10 episode series, 3 of the episodes were comedies, and I guess the 3 comedies are Spocker Mark, the um...

474
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.440
Vokamok, the one where they had the...

475
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.099
The body swap?

476
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.839
and number one were trying to go around the ship and do the Enterprise big gun.

477
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:07.440
Is that in that?

478
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:08.160
Is that in that?

479
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.660
Maybe it is wonderful.

480
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:15.420
Well, that was great, but it's the body swap episode with Tapring and Spock, which I just thought was awesome.

481
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.740
Like, I just thought that was really great.

482
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.180
This is funnier than that though.

483
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:24.960
This and the Serene Squall, I think he said, I thought that was the weakest comedy of the three.

484
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:29.339
But I think it was less wholeheartedly accommodated.

485
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.359
It was just overtly comic.

486
00:32:30.539 --> 00:32:33.599
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't just being fun and silly.

487
00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:36.119
There was a sort of worthwhile plot going on there.

488
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.980
This is original trek.

489
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.380
This is the... original trek was a shame.

490
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:42.839
Yeah, he's saying that's a waste of time.

491
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:47.339
That's 3 out of 10 episodes wasted on being funny.

492
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.680
And I kind of think, no, no, no, no, no, no.

493
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:51.420
This isn't Battlestar Galactica.

494
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.180
This is Star Trek. silly.

495
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.900
They have to establish that it can be silly.

496
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:03.539
And he, I don't know whether he wants to tune in every week and watch The Siege of AR 558.

497
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:06.180
Oh, we got that one. 4 miles.

498
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.240
You know, I absolutely don't want to do that.

499
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.119
I want Star Trek to do all of the things it can do.

500
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:20.700
And I'm happy about this because Discovery didn't do this in quite the same way.

501
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.559
And so now we have a photo of Star Trek that can.

502
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.259
But this is obviously a massive love.

503
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.619
I know it's doing its own thing, but it's a massive love level to the original Star Trek.

504
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:33.900
And that's the show that gave us the gangster planet and the bunny from Alice in Wonderland.

505
00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:36.660
And things like this.

506
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.460
And so of course it's going to have fun.

507
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:39.599
Yeah.

508
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.099
I'm again at all.

509
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:52.619
No, and this is not, I mean, eventually Star Trek, the Next Generation, which we, oh, look how, Ethan Peckard, the thoughts that are going through my head right now.

510
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.000
Do you know what?

511
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.859
You can really grab his air as well, couldn't you?

512
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.079
So pretty.

513
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:58.740
And he's smiling.

514
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:00.359
When he comes in, he's smiling.

515
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:03.240
I mean this is a deliberately hot look.

516
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.180
Somehow he manages to make that spot look.

517
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.500
Hot, hot.

518
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:09.000
It's amazing.

519
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:09.960
It's an attractive man.

520
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:18.000
But look at him smiling here, you know, it was something that they, you know, once or twice got an emoy to do and it was striking too.

521
00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:20.820
Do you see the light coming in through the trees?

522
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.619
And here, I know I keep talking about the lighting, but I never get a chance to it, 90s track.

523
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.579
So it's quite refreshing.

524
00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:32.159
Yeah, no, it's beautifully done.

525
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:33.179
Some practical lighting.

526
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.920
I like all the flames, yeah.

527
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.500
Sick Bay had lots of candles in it.

528
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.679
They got sort of flaming Brazzi, is that what they're called?

529
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:41.699
Braziers.

530
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.800
Thank you very much, I swear.

531
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.559
Flaming bras all over the place.

532
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:52.980
Because the light in this ship is so like the walls are gleaming white.

533
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.760
It's blueish, white and gleaming white.

534
00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:59.460
And so in the Elysian kingdom, it's mostly yellow.

535
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:02.340
Astonishing engine room.

536
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.199
That goes back.

537
00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:06.300
It's fast, isn't it?

538
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.320
Yeah, yeah.

539
00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:09.719
Well, that's the effects wall, isn't it?

540
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.360
That special affects wall.

541
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.059
I think I'm training myself to notice it.

542
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:15.780
But look at that.

543
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:16.320
Look at that.

544
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:20.760
Well, that shot up the Jeffreys tube, which seemed to go on forever as well.

545
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.280
What I did like as well.

546
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:28.980
Like it plays out with predictable sort of storybook twists, but they've done really well.

547
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
I loved um the spot character.

548
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.260
What's his character's name in the Elysian Kingdom?

549
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.760
Um, Pollux.

550
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:38.219
I like the fact that he comes along and I'm the hero.

551
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.840
I love the brooding hero.

552
00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:43.260
And in fact, no, he's going to sell them out, so evil Ahura.

553
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.340
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:50.519
Yeah, you see, I was barely paying attention to that because I just don't think that's what this is about.

555
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.139
Um, particularly.

556
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:52.800
Look at this.

557
00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:56.039
And I'm such a Now you talk about costume design.

558
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:58.559
Her as, oh, I know.

559
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:06.000
Look at the stuff around her de colletage, you know, like the details of around her, uh, you know, neckline.

560
00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:12.119
The thing that sort of straps across and then goes around her waist, and she's so little and elfin.

561
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:14.519
Like she's such a tiny person, isn't she?

562
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:18.239
And just making her the villain is so good.

563
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.559
It's such a great choice.

564
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:25.500
Well, I remember in episode 2 where she was a bit nervous about going to Pike's dinner.

565
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:26.099
Do you remember?

566
00:36:26.219 --> 00:36:29.940
And then later on in this. on his knees in front of her.

567
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:30.780
She's in command.

568
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.900
You know, I like how the dynamics are very different.

569
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.280
Oh, God, Pike's so funny.

570
00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:36.659
Just see him just sl himself.

571
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:42.719
And look, they're shooting her from below so that she looms over everyone.

573
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.739
With that huge symbol behind her all lit up, you know?

574
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.079
This is where this is where I'm getting sort of intendant vibes because I used to shoot her like this from below.

575
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.059
Yeah, you know, looking very menacing.

576
00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:59.579
I mean, they do the thing where his colour is green and her colour is red.

577
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.320
And so they, you know, make the sets match them.

578
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:12.780
Like they're both in the 2 biggest sets in the ones in the bridge, ones in engineering, you know, like it's, I think they do a good job.

579
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.659
She is literally a panto villain as well.

580
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.219
She is the ice queen.

581
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.500
She has icicles coming off of everything.

582
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.920
Those things on her fingers too are gray. too.

583
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:25.559
And this, I just...

584
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.420
I can't take it anymore, I tell you.

585
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:32.760
Look at the bars look so great around the transporter.

586
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:33.599
It's so good.

587
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.579
It's so different.

588
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.500
The walls are closing in on me.

589
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:38.880
So funny.

590
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.659
Honey, they're having the conversation.

591
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.579
Look, do you know why people are acting strangely?

592
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:56.760
Yeah, and so I hadn't really properly realised it until last time, but the thing is that he thinks that it's being taken from his head, doesn't he?

594
00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:05.280
He thinks that the reason, because he's special, he, he, um, it's being done for him, but he thinks it's being done by him in some way.

595
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:05.880
Yeah.

596
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:10.500
And then it's when he realises it's his daughter. when the whole episode shifts gear, isn't it?

597
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.400
Yeah, that's right.

598
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:11.940
That's right.

599
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:15.059
And it's doing it's doing that thing that we've done a lot in Star Trek.

600
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.380
But it always really works.

601
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:26.039
That was the episode with Riker, you remember, Future Imperfect, and that's all about that lonely little alien on the planet or Sarjenka in series 2 with data. pen pals.

602
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:32.579
Yeah, and sort of the anomaly that they're in is an equivalent of that, isn't it?

603
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.019
It's a lonely lost being that wants company.

604
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.619
The way they explain it is really interesting too.

605
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:50.579
So he's be, you know, um, the doctor is asking Hammer where a godlike alien entity comes from.

606
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:53.880
And maybe this is the 1st one that we discover in Star Trek.

607
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.139
Do you know what I mean?

608
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.599
Like maybe this is our 1st god-like alien entity.

609
00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:05.219
And Hammer suggests that the universe produces them spontaneously and that's how they come.

610
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.280
And that explains all the others.

611
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:10.079
And that's exactly right.

612
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.280
And he uses a term which I think was called Boltzmann's brain.

613
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:15.599
And I looked it up.

614
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:34.679
It's actually a real thing. where cosmologists used to suggest that if their, and I may misunderstand this, because I read it very briefly, is that their models of how the universe works, if they're sufficiently complicated, then they allow this sort of thing to happen spontaneously.

615
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:41.699
You know, if you think, well, this universe can just invent itself, then why kind of brain just, you know, find itself here.

616
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:48.539
And it's a thought experiment is very 19th century for cosmologists and I don't quite know that I've understood it perfectly.

617
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.039
But yes.

618
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:58.079
So it's as if we're creating a theory for where all these alien entities come from in Star Trek.

619
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:05.280
If you like it, you won't be disappointed if you watch the run through chronology because you will see plenty of them.

620
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:05.820
That's right.

621
00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:07.920
Because what was Lonely among Us?

622
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.300
Wasn't there a...

623
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.860
That was a lonely electric cloud.

624
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

625
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.239
Picard beams off the ship so he can fucking nebula.

626
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:18.000
We could probably find one a season in every show.

627
00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:18.599
Oh, you can.

628
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.260
Yeah.

629
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.340
Every anomaly.

630
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.219
Well, um, there was a couple of Voyager as well.

631
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.139
I think the episode blissed in series five.

632
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.360
Lonely Cloud.

633
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.260
Okay.

634
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.059
Oh, look, he blows his gum.

635
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:33.840
He's loving it.

636
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.780
He's using science.

637
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:43.559
But when he was 1st introduced, you remember those scenes with Ahura early in the season and he was so serious, wasn't he?

638
00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:45.179
And very rude as well.

639
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.539
And she earned his respect and he started to sort of warm up there.

640
00:40:48.599 --> 00:41:12.360
Oh, no, the 2 of them have a really, like, and in fact, that's the most heartbreaking reaction, I think, to him is death in episode 9 is her reaction, because they have been so close, and because he encourages her to find a place to belong after the loss of her family and things, like, that's a proper good relationship that they have.

641
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:17.400
I still can't quite get over that scene of those baby gaunts coming out of that fella, you know.

642
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:18.300
Oh my god.

643
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:19.320
So good.

644
00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:22.380
That's insane.

645
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:26.460
That alien looked great though, Mr. Watts's face.

646
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:27.840
The realisation of that.

647
00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:34.260
I mean, I think I think, like I said this was the cheapie, but they're basically saying, well, we need a lot of money for this.

648
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.940
We're on a nice planet. you know, we've got CGI Gaunts, prosthetics, all sorts going on.

649
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

650
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.659
But just because this is cheap.

651
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.039
I don't mean it ain't good.

652
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.960
No, no, I think it's really fun.

653
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:55.619
And this to me, this feels more like Star Trek than anything else this year because, like I said, all these different elements have been done elsewhere, you know?

654
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:56.099
Yeah.

655
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:59.340
But it's just, it's kind of almost done to perfection here.

656
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:06.599
Well, it's kind of like, you remember enterprise, like originally kind of duck tells very simple story.

657
00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:11.579
It's like here they go on an away mission and someone's racist and nothing happens.

658
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.460
And, you know, like we're boiling it down.

659
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.139
But this does that as well.

660
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:24.719
I think this is saying, this is saying what Star Trek is now in the way that Enterprise is as well, but it's doing a good job of it.

661
00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:26.400
I like enterprise series as well.

662
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:27.360
I think.

663
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:28.199
You see pike then.

664
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:31.679
It goes, I think I probably best serve you from the safety of the castle.

665
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:32.940
Yeah, and he does.

666
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.219
And he's already run, you've ever seen.

667
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:35.760
Yeah, yeah.

668
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:38.880
Before the king says, yes, all right.

669
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:39.900
He's already running.

670
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:51.000
I got slightly distracted by that hot guy, one of Mitchell's little Yeah, that the shaved hair.

671
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:54.179
I don't think it would work with any other captain, that role.

672
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.239
I just don't I couldn't see any other captain playing that.

673
00:42:58.980 --> 00:42:59.880
And his Una.

674
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.699
It's so it's such a weird choice as well, isn't it?

675
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.420
It is, but I believe the eyeliner budget went through the roof for this one, you know?

676
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.400
Because she's so straight laced, isn't she?

677
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.260
And serious.

678
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.500
What's great is the doctor and the engineer are having so much fun at this point.

679
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.820
That's why they just looked at each other like...

680
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.599
There you go.

681
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:29.519
Well, no, now they're together.

682
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.679
So what are you saying about there being a lack of queerness in Strange New World?

683
00:43:34.739 --> 00:43:35.460
Yeah, well that's right.

684
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.300
No, no, exactly.

685
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.300
There is queerness in Stranger Worlds.

686
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.599
And, of course, we had...

687
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:44.579
It was gone on all the time in original Trek.

688
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.380
Just off from where the camera was.

689
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:47.460
Yeah, that's right.

690
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.139
Oh, here's that set.

691
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.639
Here's the engineer.

692
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.739
So some of it's the wall.

693
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.679
Some of it's the special effects wall, I think.

694
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:57.480
See, I can see the wall now.

695
00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.179
But I think my brain allows me to be tricked.

696
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:06.239
Which is a very strange relationship to have with a television production.

698
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.000
But I was sort of doing it with a Mandalorian.

700
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:12.420
I think by the time the Mandalorian got to series 2, it was like, oh, I could see the wall.

701
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.360
They have a circular wall.

702
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:16.260
They call it the volume.

703
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.539
No, no.

704
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:25.440
And I mean, because we always knew that it was like they would key the background in.

705
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.920
You and I have been trained on the CSO, you know, back in the 2nd season.

706
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:34.559
Whereas that is actual genuinely happening in the camera, you know, like the actors can see it.

707
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:46.679
The camera picks it up, a little bit like back projection only, just, you know, more effective and, you know, it's just terribly well done.

708
00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:48.000
I think it works really well.

709
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:55.440
Yeah, so now, now we're kind of working out.

710
00:44:55.500 --> 00:45:08.699
Are we trying to work out why it's those 2 that are unaffected and we know that it's Emma because he is has psychic powers and we can, we're going, oh, actually, the entity's reading it from you.

711
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.099
That's what's him is saying here.

712
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.360
The entity's reading it from you.

713
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:26.579
And he hasn't quite worked it out yet, that obviously this version of the story with the 2 of them, with Una and Erica together, can't come from him because he rejected that version of the story in the early episode.

714
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.380
Is that what she said at the beginning?

715
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.460
I wanted them to get together.

716
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.260
Yeah, no, that's not what happens.

717
00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:36.000
She wanted the huntress to come in and help Suraja to save the king.

718
00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:42.000
So I thought we were heading towards an ending of like, you know, well, you're dying and we can't change the ending, you know.

719
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:44.219
Actually, yes, we can.

720
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.559
Yeah, and I think that is sort of there.

721
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:48.900
But like I said, I think it is a little bit undercooked.

722
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:59.880
I think that this would be a better episode if the fantasy plot and the and the main plot were more clearly linked together because there's another...

723
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:02.280
The curse and trait, you've detailed this in a lot of other episodes.

724
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:03.239
They do this very well.

725
00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:07.739
They're like the A and B. Not like 90s trait, where it's just 2 random things going on in one episode.

726
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.000
Yeah, that's right.

727
00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

728
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.360
Keiko's bored and...

729
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.699
We need to give her an arboretum.

730
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:33.480
But the, I think the, like, because there's another point later on, where the doctor, um, explains to Rukia that the king had to give up the mercury stone because the mercury stone had a soul, and so he had to let it go.

731
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:41.039
And because that only turns up in that scene, do you know what I mean, we haven't had that anywhere else?

732
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:44.880
It's not, it's not quite as good as it could be, I think.

733
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:47.340
I wonder if things are cut.

734
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.119
I don't know.

735
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:49.380
It might be.

736
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.239
I think, I think, yeah.

737
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.099
Yeah.

738
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.539
But I don't think it matters. think it's still really enjoyable, but I do think it would have been better.

739
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:02.460
I know there's one thing you really rate in Kurtzman Trek, and that is the music.

740
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.880
And I think it's a little bit bombastic at times.

741
00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:14.280
And I know that it's a nice contrast to the wallpaper music, latter-day TNG, 90s track, and DS Night of Voyager and all of that.

742
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.380
I thought the music in this was extraordinary and it really sold the emotion.

743
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:24.420
During this scene, some very delicate strings came in, but really memorable.

744
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:27.480
Yeah, I thought the music was great in this.

745
00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:29.460
Hmm, yeah.

746
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.619
It could have gone a bit crazy because, you know, it's a comedy episode and it could have done that.

747
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:35.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:37.739
They could have been all blinky and telling us to learn it off.

749
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.340
Yeah.

750
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:44.699
There's music sort of, until this point it's sort of going into that heroic nature of the thing, you know, it's all...

751
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.039
But now it comes right down.

752
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.599
And yeah, it doesn't it doesn't step on the performance, which I really liked.

753
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:54.360
Oh, look at him.

754
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:54.900
He back.

755
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.219
He's, you know.

756
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.880
Isn't he good?

757
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:01.440
He's so good at this.

758
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:13.440
I think I said to you when we watched this was that he's so restrained throughout the entire episode and then the scene where he chooses to let her go in the quarters and then he really lets the emotional come out.

759
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:18.900
And sometimes that restraint can then lead to a very powerful reaction to the audience.

760
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:19.800
I really moved me.

761
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.840
Yeah, yeah.

762
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.500
I think he does a really good job and it's a strange one as well.

763
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.920
Like, because it's a space thing that's happening.

764
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:34.260
Like, but we still know how to think about it.

765
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:41.219
We've laughed our heads off at scenes such as the Edo want to execute my son and come on, B'lana.

766
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.179
Talk to me.

767
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.519
That's where hysteria gets you.

768
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.199
When it's subtle, it can be really moving.

769
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.980
Oh, speaking of subtle, here's Anson Mount begging.

770
00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:58.019
He goes, how could I serve you?

771
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.880
So great.

772
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:06.000
Oh no, sorry.

773
00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:07.199
What do you want from me?

774
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:09.659
But he doesn't, that's really whiny voice.

775
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.820
When she goes, I want you to obey me.

776
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.920
And he's like, oh, well, I can do that.

777
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:19.079
Oh, look at that shark.

778
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:25.619
Look at that shot where he bends down out of shot and she's standing there looking triumphant.

779
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.619
Because she's got all that sort of fabulous stuff on her nails.

780
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.860
She plays about with her hands like an evil villainess.

781
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:34.260
So good.

782
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:39.420
All right.

783
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.039
So, yeah, poor old lady Audrey doesn't get to do very much.

784
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:44.760
What she doing here?

785
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.659
She's just doing some witch stuff in the background that we don't know what it is.

786
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.420
And like, Jesus Christ, you think Gemma will be all over this shit.

787
00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.659
Hanging around just sort of having a lark is what 90s tracks did for about half its half its seasons, you know?

788
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

789
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:08.219
But I think that he's conscious that we only get 10 episodes and why aren't we doing serious business in all of them?

790
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:15.539
And I think that we shouldn't be doing serious business in all of them that that's not what Star Trek ever was.

791
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:16.139
Yeah.

792
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.659
Not everything is late Deep Space 9.

793
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.460
And like Deep Space 9 is good.

794
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.420
Deep Space 9 had take me out to the hollow suite and batter being out of bang.

795
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:25.019
Exactly.

796
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:26.039
Of course it did.

797
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.679
And the magnificent Ferengi...

798
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. had a laugh as well.

799
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.420
Yeah, but I think he's saying we're having a few laughs in a 26 episode season.

800
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.219
We have 3 episodes that are funny.

801
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:48.059
He doesn't want 3 episodes that are funny in 10 episode season, and I think that it's super important that in this 1st season, they stake out the area.

802
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.260
You know?

803
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:51.900
I know, but you know what?

804
00:50:51.960 --> 00:51:03.840
My preference is probably to the locks now, because I remember, you know, when I go back and watch the X-Files, season 6 was basically a 25 episode season and about 15 of them are comedies and that's my favourite year.

805
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:05.219
Yeah, yeah.

806
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:05.880
Yeah.

807
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:10.019
Well, once that discovers it can do comedy, it just absolutely flies.

808
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:10.860
Yeah, so good.

809
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:12.300
Right.

810
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:13.500
The whole cast here now.

811
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.639
Everyone be fair.

812
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:21.119
But Hammer is using his science to resolve this...

813
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:22.920
Fucking hilarious.

814
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.559
I was going, ooh, guy, ooh, guy.

815
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:27.119
Abracadabra.

816
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:33.000
He does have a great outfit.

817
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.880
Oh yeah, he does have a very good outfit.

818
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:38.699
We get some great Andorian antenna action later too.

819
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.820
Which I can never get enough of because their antennas were so shitty in the 1960s.

820
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:51.119
And he's got proper enterprise style, Andorian, and tennis, doesn't he?

821
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.320
I don't know.

822
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:54.960
All I wanted to see is the outtakes from this scene, right?

823
00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:56.400
dressed up like this.

824
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.579
Right, folks, let's go for lunch.

825
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.440
She's so great.

826
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.739
Oh my god, seniors. in.

827
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.019
Are we fucking being paid to do this, really?

828
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:11.340
Have this much fun.

829
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.940
This is absurd.

830
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.719
I'll tell you what, though, yeah, look at him.

831
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:20.400
Look at him being fierce now.

832
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.199
You absolutely buy that too.

833
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:24.539
The cob officer.

834
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.320
What's her name again?

835
00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:26.159
I keep forgetting.

836
00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:28.320
Oh, Erica Ortega.

837
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:29.340
Do you know what?

838
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.480
Do you see her social media?

839
00:52:30.539 --> 00:52:32.099
She markets this show brilliantly.

840
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:32.820
Oh, yeah.

841
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:33.719
I think she's wonderful.

842
00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:35.639
I think she's really, really great.

843
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:42.900
She's clearly, it's a bit like, oh, that tragic, uh, the ball queen from series 2, uh, Star Trek Picard.

844
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:43.559
What was her name?

845
00:52:43.619 --> 00:52:46.500
I can't remember, but obviously she died of cancer.

846
00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.480
She was all over social media.

847
00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:50.880
She was clearly having the best time in the world.

848
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.000
And she's like, I want to tell everybody how good this is.

849
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.800
And it's the same with her in this.

850
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.059
Yeah, she's wonderful.

851
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:58.380
I think she's really great.

852
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:02.880
Emma's doing some great wizard shit here.

853
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.599
You sort of prostrate in with his hands, you know?

854
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:08.760
Ah, brocadabra.

855
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:13.019
You saw the gesture that he did to the doctor?

856
00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:16.260
back off a 2nd I'm doing wizard acting.

857
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.139
And it's the best use of a communicator. forever.

858
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:23.039
It just pulls it out and then stabs his finger in. presses the button.

859
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.179
Oh it's joyful.

860
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.980
And that smile.

861
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:33.119
I don't think you see him smile like that very much in that season if he does that big.

862
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.000
Once again, the magic of science prevails.

863
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:40.860
Oh it's terrific.

864
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:47.099
Oh, okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be, going to say this very quickly.

865
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.260
I'm not going to shit on discovery.

866
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.239
But it ain't never as fun as this.

867
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:52.679
No. for me.

868
00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:54.539
Oh, it's charming.

869
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:55.139
I don't know.

870
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:56.099
There's just something about this.

871
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.179
It's a bit magic.

872
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.219
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

873
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:10.380
I think this, you know, they had a, I think their original intention with discovery is to do new Star Trek, like do Star Trek, but they didn't do Star Trek.

874
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.360
They went a long way, you know, by serialising it and so on.

875
00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:18.780
It's not enough like Star Trek, I think.

876
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.780
It's a little bit too tied to its premise.

877
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.480
Whereas this is just Star Trek, isn't it?

878
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:26.519
But I admire them because they've done their own thing.

879
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:30.539
They absolutely, you know, set their store to say, right, this is what we're going to do.

880
00:54:30.780 --> 00:54:34.679
But yeah, this is this just this gives me the feels, you know?

881
00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:37.500
No, especially this scene especially does.

882
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:46.860
It sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think this is a better redo of Star Trek than Star Trek than Next Generation ever was.

883
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.179
Like, this is like easily a lot better than that.

884
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:58.619
There is more development of these characters in this season than you add in 7 fucking years of TNG.

885
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.679
But it's also the production values as well.

886
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:04.079
You know, like...

887
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:05.940
Remember, it's been 30 years, you know.

888
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.800
Oh, no, no, I know, but other shows went outside. you know what I mean?

889
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.239
You're never going to let that drop, are you?

890
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.820
You know what?

891
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:26.099
When I push the button next, there's going to be only episodes where they go outside. 90s trek. might be pressing for a while.

892
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.699
I knew you were going to say that.

893
00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:37.559
Oh, this is all his performance here where he says goodbye to her.

894
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:39.119
Yeah, yeah.

895
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:40.679
Oh my god.

896
00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:45.239
And his performance when she comes back as an older version, straight away.

897
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:50.039
And he plays it, like, the character just, he can't comprehend...

898
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:56.219
Like losing all of that time with her and her being back.

899
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.599
It's really beautifully done.

900
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:59.760
He's he's really good.

901
00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:07.739
And this is like, I guess every parent eventually has to let their child go.

902
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:16.860
You know, there's someone put it so beautifully in something I read this week or last week that there's the last time that you picked that child up.

903
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:24.239
Like at one point you pick the child up, you put the child down and you never, ever pick them up again.

904
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:30.780
You know, there's that parenthood is about eventually about letting go.

905
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.300
And maybe that's what makes this real or something?

906
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.539
I don't know, because it is a very sort of science fiction-y thing.

907
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:43.619
You know, she has to go off with a space thing and he has to be happy to let it happen.

908
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:52.619
But it's also as well, the whole idea of her, she did get to go out there, have an amazing life, experience these wonderful things.

909
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:53.099
Yeah.

910
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:54.840
He actually was going to die, you know?

911
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:59.340
But it's not only that, that she starts, she's in the pattern buffer.

912
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.420
Like she's in the most constrained space possible.

913
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:09.539
She only ever experiences anything in that little room where her father's reading to her.

914
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.639
And then, remember she says at the beginning of the thing, will you take me to your quarters?

915
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:24.300
And that's how he knows where to find her once she's, you know, once he knows that she is the source of this story.

916
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.099
He knows that he can find her in his quarters.

917
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:36.360
And then eventually, you know, he says, I'll show you the whole ship, but in fact, Deborah comes along and chose her the whole universe.

918
00:57:36.780 --> 00:57:40.920
And you know, all the characters in Star Trek, you know, this is the fate.

919
00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:46.199
I think perhaps that I would want to have, going out there, exploring all your fantasies with your best mate.

920
00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:47.219
Yes, please.

921
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:47.820
Yeah.

922
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.719
It is um, it's, yeah, it's sort of strange.

923
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:52.800
I think...

924
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:56.280
So maybe maybe if the 2 plots aren't tied together as well as they could be.

925
00:57:56.340 --> 00:58:00.300
Maybe if it's not making its point as strong as it could.

926
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.519
The emotional moments.

927
00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:04.619
Yeah, exactly as they should.

928
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.980
And you know me, that's more important to me than plot logic.

929
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.860
Oh yeah, I don't care about plot logic so much.

930
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.440
And thinking I'm thinking story logic a little bit.

931
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:17.039
You know, that every part of the story needs to be working together in some way.

932
00:58:17.099 --> 00:58:22.500
And I think what sells it is just this magnificent performance.

933
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:23.699
He is so good.

934
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:33.360
And he's not our character, even though he's usually not very emotional and he's very emotional here, but it's still a sort of, it's so, so sweet.

935
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:36.900
He's very restrained, I think, is the thing.

936
00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:38.639
You know, like...

937
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:39.780
I've said cheese before, isn't it?

938
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.760
But that sometimes that is more powerful.

939
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:42.840
Yeah.

940
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:49.139
Yeah, but look at the just the way he's looking at her face, you know, like he's touching her arms, he's touching her face.

941
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:56.820
He's looking at every part of her face as if to kind of memorise it because he's decided to allow her to go.

942
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.059
And like a fairy tale.

943
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.559
It has such a happy ending.

944
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:14.460
And it wouldn't work without that, you know, like we, you know, Like he's making a big decision to allow, he allows her to make the decision for a start.

945
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.139
He doesn't make the decision for her.

946
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:20.219
Um, And it turns out right.

947
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.860
She had to come back and say that was the right decision.

948
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:31.260
If you're a savvy person or even if you're not like me, when you said at the beginning of the episode, you know, the king had to sacrifice.

949
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.599
Well, then I think you might know where this is going.

950
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.679
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:37.260
And if you do, it still lands.

952
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.940
Yeah, yeah.

953
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:42.360
It tickles.

954
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:43.320
Oh, there's more.

955
00:59:44.219 --> 00:59:48.599
Yeah, that's a, that is just a little bit cheesy, I think.

956
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:56.039
This does remind me at the end of the doctor episode Voyager Dam, you know, where Kylie Minogue becomes pixie dust and goes off on her adventures.

957
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:57.599
Yeah, yeah.

958
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:00.780
Yeah, that is slightly cheesy.

959
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.639
I have to say that she's okay.

960
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:03.960
Do you know what I mean?

961
01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.119
Like, it's relying on him.

962
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:07.139
She's a child actor.

963
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.820
She doesn't ruin the scene.

964
01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:14.099
I hate to tell you this, but Star Trek can't be incredibly cheesy, you know.

965
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.500
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

966
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:21.239
But like his reaction to her disappearance is so good.

967
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:22.920
Like, it's so good.

968
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:30.059
Like, he doesn't, he can't even bring himself to move forward to, he tries to take a step but can't.

969
01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:37.320
And then giving him that little gift of coming back and saying he made the right choice, you know.

970
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.900
Otherwise, he'd just been wondering, well, that's right.

971
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.619
That's right.

972
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:45.300
It wouldn't have been a good ending for us either, I think.

973
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:51.420
And it means, you know, you and I always say, well, you know, they go through these terrible things and then next week they're fine again.

974
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.159
Well, this means he can kind of close the book on this and move on.

975
01:00:56.219 --> 01:01:07.800
In fact, one of the things that I think works really well too, is that she makes him promise to be happy, right?

976
01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:10.739
And is this death?

977
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:28.980
Like she goes away with Deborah who has stopped, who is an like an idea or an incorporeal entity and she goes where Deborah went, you know, is this...

978
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:34.260
I never gave it that reading, but I could imagine if you were that way inclined, you absolutely could give it that way.

979
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.300
But it's a possibility, isn't it?

980
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.099
Like it's a way of thinking about.

981
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.079
But yes.

982
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:51.780
Because she tells him to be happy because they lost her mother, you know, like, and he's now alone.

983
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:54.659
She said to him, create your own stories.

984
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.559
Is she the same thing?

985
01:01:55.619 --> 01:01:56.760
Well, I mean, a Star Trek series.

986
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:57.420
Of course I will.

987
01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.980
Promise you'll be happy.

988
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.199
Promise, you know, promise you'll be happy.

989
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:03.420
And look at him.

990
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.340
Yeah, what a beautiful man.

991
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:15.420
And, you know, like, you just wouldn't be watching an original Star Trek, a person of colour, a man crying like that.

992
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

993
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:17.820
Do you know what I mean?

994
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:19.019
Some people would say we haven't come on.

995
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:20.280
We have come on.

996
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:25.679
I think I think what's really great is this is so nothing.

997
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:40.260
But the special effects was reflected in his eyes, you know, he's got very deep, dark eyes, obviously, but in that scene, as he was saying goodbye and weeping, his eyes were reflecting the gold of the special effect somehow.

998
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.219
Maybe that's the biggest difference between Kursman Trek.

999
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:52.739
I don't think they came before, if they just have the ability now to sort of capture the magic visually in a way that they never did before.

1000
01:02:53.159 --> 01:03:02.579
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that I think that original Star Trek looks weird and 90 Star Trek doesn't.

1001
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:12.480
But you know, that's sort of the sort of, you've mentioned it in other Cuzman episodes. sort of the beauty of the universe, you know, in a way that's sort of a bit overpowering and emotional.

1002
01:03:12.539 --> 01:03:15.179
I don't think they ever had the ability to do that before.

1003
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:22.559
But I think there's a rejection of that as a as a goal, as an aesthetic goal by 90s trek, and I think it's a big mistake.

1004
01:03:22.619 --> 01:03:24.480
Yeah, we're all winning conference rooms, aren't we?

1005
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:25.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1006
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.860
Enterprise episode where everything was so gray.

1007
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:30.719
Do you remember?

1008
01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:31.739
What was it, stigma?

1009
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.179
Yeah.

1010
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.360
Well, I mean, that's why I think that this version.

1011
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:42.000
Like, I love 90s trek, and it's been part of my life for 30 years or whatever.

1012
01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:46.139
Um, I can't do the maths more than that.

1013
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:52.260
Um, but, But I think this is a superior iteration of Star Trek.

1014
01:03:52.320 --> 01:04:00.539
And I think it is partly because it's determined to be beautiful and weird looking and it can be.

1015
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.320
Yeah, that was good.

1016
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:05.099
That was lovely.

1017
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.599
And the way they put mark, the episode with 2 scenes with the doctor and number one as well.

1018
01:04:09.659 --> 01:04:10.139
Yep.

1019
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:10.980
Yep.

1020
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:11.760
Yeah.

1021
01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:14.340
And there's no grandstanding at the end of that as well.

1022
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.079
Like it just ends very calmly.

1023
01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:20.940
Like to see a bit more of her in series two, actually, to get a bit more prominence.

1024
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:26.760
Have you seen the final episode of series 2 of Lower Decks?

1025
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.400
I think so.

1026
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:30.059
Probably not.

1027
01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:37.559
Anyway, I'm not going to spoil it because you need to watch episode 10, obviously, of this.

1028
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:40.260
Isn't that the one where the captain's banged up?

1029
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:44.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she gets arrested. seen that one.

1030
01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:45.659
Okay.

1031
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.760
Well, wait until you watch episode 10 of this.

1032
01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:48.659
Okay.

1033
01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:52.320
And I think episodes, is it six?

1034
01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:54.480
No, this is, I think it's episode seven.

1035
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:58.320
The lift us where suffering doesn't reach.

1036
01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:02.039
I've got the number wrong, but those 2 are both very good, I think.

1037
01:05:02.099 --> 01:05:08.579
I think the fact that they are daring to do a strange new world's lower decks crossover.

1038
01:05:08.579 --> 01:05:15.179
Possibly the balmiest and best premise for an episode of Star Trek.

1039
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.260
So good.

1040
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:17.880
How are they doing?

1041
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:18.539
I don't know.

1042
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.579
It's gonna be, it's gonna be...

1043
01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:26.639
I think it's going to be in Strangely World, and I think it'll be Boheemler and Mariner.

1044
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:33.780
And I think because they look like they're characters more than Tandy and Rutherford do.

1045
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:39.960
I mean, we know Rutherford from, uh, um, we know him from the Good Place, his Pillboy.

1046
01:05:40.019 --> 01:05:44.579
He's um, and he's in um, uh, crazy ex-girlfriend as well.

1047
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.679
So I think it'll be those two.

1048
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:51.300
And Tawney Newsom, I think, has a writing role in Kurtzman Train?

1049
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.260
And I'm not sure what series it is, but she's someone else.

1050
01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:03.719
She's someone else who on social media is absolutely, hugely into being involved in Star Trek and is really enthusiastic about it.

1051
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:08.579
I want them to totally animate the Strange New Worlds crew as well.

1052
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:09.960
Please, just for a little bit.

1053
01:06:10.019 --> 01:06:15.480
I mean, you know those, you know, those TAS versions of all the later age.

1054
01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:19.980
Recently, someone's done a strange new worlds, TAS.

1055
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:20.579
Oh, have they?

1056
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:22.679
It's just as glorious as all the others.

1057
01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.800
I mean, the best one is still the Voyager one with the lizards.

1058
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. so great.

1059
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.139
Nathan, I thought that was exceptionally good.

1060
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.019
Yeah, I did too. that was really great.

1061
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:42.599
This is the Star Trek series that we've actually covered most of because we've done 30% of the episode. at this point.

1062
01:06:42.659 --> 01:06:43.800
What's that?

1063
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.460
2 episodes?

1064
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:45.539
Oh, no, three.

1065
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.739
So we may need to give it a bit of a rest later this year, June the 15th.

1066
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.099
June the 15th, we get a whole new series of it.

1067
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:55.619
I suppose we should have to wait too long.

1068
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.679
We should head back to somewhere that's got, you know, 900 episodes.

1069
01:07:01.019 --> 01:07:06.179
But in terms of comedy in terms of tragedy.

1070
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.039
That really hit me.

1071
01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:10.559
Like, I don't care about story logic, really.

1072
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:20.099
I care if I feel something when I'm watching a TV program and this really made me laugh and it really made me sad at the end and then sort of a bit hopeful too.

1073
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.579
So I think it, I think this scores.

1074
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:28.320
This is, this is one of the better episodes of, or one of the best episodes of series one, Australia.

1075
01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:37.079
I think series one has just done a great job of being Star Trek and being really entertaining to watch and I think that's great.

1076
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:50.760
Like, I think the Gorn episode is probably a better episode of Star Trek, but that is doing very predictable things with horror cliches, whereas I just think this is a more enjoyable watch.

1077
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:52.139
You know?

1078
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:58.260
And, you know, jammer, Marvara, anyone else that might care to not be listening to this.

1079
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:00.179
Star Trek should be fun.

1080
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:01.619
It should be fun.

1081
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:12.780
Well, it's the end of our episode and it is time for us to work out what we're going to watch next.

1082
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:18.000
And so Joe is at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1083
01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:20.520
Tell us which series we're choosing from.

1084
01:08:20.699 --> 01:08:23.760
I am going to tell you which series I'm choosing from.

1085
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:26.640
But 1st of all, I'm going to say, it's marvellous to be back, you know.

1086
01:08:26.699 --> 01:08:30.539
We haven't talked about Star Trek for how long?

1087
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:31.619
Yeah, months.

1088
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.060
Two months?

1089
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:34.439
It's been a long time anyway.

1090
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.000
It's great to be back baby.

1091
01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:37.260
Right.

1092
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:39.239
So I've chosen...

1093
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:41.460
We've just signed Kurtzman.

1094
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:50.279
And Kurtzman Trek has recently been celebrating 90s Trek in a very big way with Picard series 3.

1095
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:53.039
Talk about a deep dive.

1096
01:08:53.100 --> 01:08:55.920
Oh, no, I was about to make some spoilers then.

1097
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.840
I better just shut up.

1098
01:08:57.899 --> 01:09:04.920
So I have put every 90s trek into the randomiser, even enterprise.

1099
01:09:04.979 --> 01:09:10.260
Even Enterprise, which did get a big shout out in Picard Series 3.

1100
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:16.199
So let's find out precisely what Star Trek Picard series 3 is celebrating.

1101
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:18.119
Okay, press the button then.

1102
01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:25.619
Okay, your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season seven, episode five, critical care.

1103
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:27.359
That's the one.

1104
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.960
That's the one with the doctor, isn't it?

1105
01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:41.880
Um, and it's a very classic political one where they sort of set up a system that resembles what passes for a healthcare system in the United States.

1106
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:48.359
And it even predates people setting up GoFundMes in order to pay for their basic medical bills.

1107
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.600
But it's making a lot of those about Nathan at the moment.

1108
01:09:51.659 --> 01:09:52.619
Yeah, 0 yeah.

1109
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:53.039
Yeah.

1110
01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:55.500
Please fund me having a pizza tonight.

1111
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:56.460
Yeah.

1112
01:09:56.460 --> 01:10:02.279
But, But I mean, a lot of people, that's how they fund their medical care because it's so bad in America.

1113
01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:03.600
What do you think?

1114
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:04.619
No, no, I get it.

1115
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.359
I've already pressed it again, I'm afraid.

1116
01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:06.779
Sorry.

1117
01:10:06.779 --> 01:10:08.579
It was never going to be the 1st time.

1118
01:10:08.579 --> 01:10:10.020
No. 1st episode back.

1119
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:13.380
But it's not going to be this episode either, because I just don't fancy watching it.

1120
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:13.800
What is it?

1121
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:14.939
It's Deep Space 9.

1122
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.640
Season three, episode six, the abandoned.

1123
01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:20.640
Oh, I don't even know what that is.

1124
01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:22.079
So that's Odo.

1125
01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:25.979
It gets handed a Jim Haddar child by...

1126
01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:27.600
Oh, it's a Gemini.

1127
01:10:27.659 --> 01:10:29.699
Yeah, and he thinks that he can.

1128
01:10:30.180 --> 01:10:33.060
Yeah, there is an episode later where he's handed a changeling child.

1129
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:34.439
Oh, okay.

1130
01:10:34.500 --> 01:10:37.380
Never let it say they don't throw away a good idea.

1131
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.880
The Forsaken is the one with Odo and Luaxana Troy in the Turkey.

1132
01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:43.979
So that's different from the abandoned.

1133
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:45.359
The abandoned, yeah.

1134
01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:47.460
He thinks he's going to turn the Gemadar around.

1135
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:47.939
Okay.

1136
01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:49.680
You know, by giving by being a good pair.

1137
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:50.699
By being nice to him.

1138
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:51.899
Yeah, okay.

1139
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:53.100
Spoiler, he doesn't.

1140
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:53.880
It doesn't work.

1141
01:10:53.939 --> 01:10:56.039
Anyway, pressed it again.

1142
01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:59.399
Oh, ooh, I see.

1143
01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:06.960
I quite fancy doing this because I've seen someone write not pleasing things about this on social media recently and I love it.

1144
01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:15.420
Your random Star Trek, Deep Space 9 episode is season one, episode 15, Progress.

1145
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.199
I love this episode.

1146
01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:22.020
I love this one. absolutely one of my favourites.

1147
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:26.220
It's so good. 2nd best episode of the 1st season.

1148
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.380
You think duet is the best one?

1149
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:29.399
Yeah.

1150
01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:33.119
So they're both here episodes. and guest star.

1151
01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:36.300
What you and I were saying there about restrained emotion.

1152
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.220
This is such a quiet episode.

1153
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:40.859
It's so interesting, isn't it?

1154
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:42.539
It's really properly good.

1155
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:46.079
Nathan. this big, ugly tree.

1156
01:11:47.340 --> 01:11:49.380
For God's sake.

1157
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.239
That's so Star Trek, isn't it?

1158
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:54.359
It's a classic 90s Star Trek obvious.

1159
01:11:54.479 --> 01:12:02.100
It's the fact that she tells the story and he listens to it and then Cisco turns up and goes, he goes, oh, why don't you tell him the story about your tree?

1160
01:12:04.859 --> 01:12:08.100
It's really good properly good.

1161
01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:11.159
Do you know, and I know it's been a break.

1162
01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:15.899
We did do a fair amount of DS9 just before we went off air, but that is a goodie.

1163
01:12:16.020 --> 01:12:17.460
Yeah, no, let's do it.

1164
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:19.260
What if we never do that one?

1165
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:20.279
What if we never roll it again?

1166
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.300
Well, I guess you have a chance to wax lyrical about then our visitor as well.

1167
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:25.439
I love doing that.

1168
01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:27.000
Progress.

1169
01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:28.079
Here we count, Chris.

1170
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:28.739
Brilliant.

1171
01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:47.880
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1172
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:53.460
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1173
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:59.220
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of April 2023 and released on the 28th of April.

1174
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:03.659
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Ogress.

1175
01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:28.920
So, yeah, like, we take months off and literally everything happens in Star Trek and we've, like, missed all of it.

1176
01:13:28.979 --> 01:13:33.720
So we had all of Series 3 of Picard.

1177
01:13:33.899 --> 01:13:36.899
And we had the discovery announcement.

1178
01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:39.060
Mm-hmm.

1179
01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:41.340
And did I...

1180
01:13:41.340 --> 01:13:42.720
And section 31 announcement.

1181
01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:46.979
And section 31 announcement. and did I dream Star Trek Romulus?

1182
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.140
Or was that, was that real?

1183
01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:52.199
I might have been an April Fools joke, you know?

1184
01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:54.119
Yeah, might have been an April Fools show.

1185
01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:56.819
They're muting this Star Trek legacy, aren't they?

1186
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.100
And what about Starfleet Academy?

1187
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.359
Was that an April fools joke as well?

1188
01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:02.399
Yeah, I'm not sure anymore.

1189
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:04.199
Yeah, I don't know.

1190
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:05.880
We've got so many Star Trek shows coming out.

1191
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:07.140
We're Braveling Star Wars.

1192
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:09.239
Ross TV, we better hurry up, you know.

1193
01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:10.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1194
01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:11.159
Yeah.

1195
01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:12.359
Are we killing off?

1196
01:14:12.420 --> 01:14:14.699
I mean, because we've had our last Picard.

1197
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:18.180
We're going to have our last season of Discovery next year.

1198
01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:21.420
So there's holes in the...

1199
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:25.199
I said I was going to watch all series 4 discovery before we came back and I haven't.

1200
01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:27.840
You said you were going to watch all of Enterprise.

1201
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:29.640
Series 4 of Enterprise, so that's good.

1202
01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:33.840
I watched I watched up to the augments thing or is that the 1st thing?

1203
01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:35.399
How does it start?

1204
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.119
I think I didn't see the final augment.

1205
01:14:39.180 --> 01:14:45.960
I think you stopped watching halfway for episode 2 because you didn't get to the bit where the man was murdered horribly, did you?

1206
01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:48.779
I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1207
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.420
In the tube, in the tube and all the blood's coming out everywhere.

1208
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.460
Oh, I can't remember.

1209
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.359
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1210
01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:55.319
No I definitely saw that.

1211
01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:56.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:56.699
Yeah.

1213
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:58.020
That was another thing.

1214
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:07.199
It was that like, I'm going to kill one of you every 10 minutes until you agree to do the thing and then clearly Vatic watched that episode of Enterprise and do the same thing.

1215
01:15:07.619 --> 01:15:10.500
Oh, she was good as well, yeah.

1216
01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.399
I do think she was good.

1217
01:15:11.460 --> 01:15:12.779
But to go on a bit.

1218
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:17.220
I was like, this, and in the end it was all about a bit about nothing.

1219
01:15:17.220 --> 01:15:18.479
I was like, okay.

1220
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:32.220
So the incredible thing for me was that it took me like 5 or 6 episodes before I realised that she was a 2nd generation Star Trek villain, because of course her father played General Chang in the undiscovered country.

1221
01:15:32.220 --> 01:15:37.859
And I think she's better than him, and he's pretty amazing, but I think she's probably the best one.

1222
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:40.439
I think she's better than Ricardo.

1223
01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:44.100
Nobody will ever top salome gens for me.

1224
01:15:44.340 --> 01:15:47.520
I want the Cardassians executed.

1225
01:15:47.579 --> 01:15:51.119
But you remember that. population.

1226
01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:53.460
You remember crisis point?

1227
01:15:53.460 --> 01:15:54.479
Is it crisis point?

1228
01:15:54.539 --> 01:15:57.239
The episode of, oh, I've gone all fuzzy.

1229
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.020
The episode of, why have I gone fuzzy?

1230
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:01.380
Okay.

1231
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:09.659
Uh, the episode of um, Lower Decks, where, uh, Boimer, like Mariner writes a film and then she's the villain.

1232
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:16.140
She's the she's the villain, she's got Tendee and Rutherford and stuff in her spaceship and things.

1233
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:26.340
So obviously, obviously, um, Obviously, uh, Mariner is is also the best Star Trek movie villain.

1234
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:27.960
But after that.

1235
01:16:28.020 --> 01:16:31.199
After that, after that, it's Vatic.

1236
01:16:31.260 --> 01:16:32.640
I think she was so great.

1237
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:33.779
She was so great.

1238
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:34.380
She was right.

1239
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.560
I just liked just how weird she was.

1240
01:16:37.619 --> 01:16:37.979
Yeah.

1241
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:42.779
She had no intention of playing that role naturalistically in any way, shape.

1242
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:44.100
Well, it was very...

1243
01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:46.439
Bushing against what everybody else is doing, you know?

1244
01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:47.399
Yeah, yeah.

1245
01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:48.420
So good.

1246
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:53.279
And like she smoked and she was kind of slimy and stuff.

1247
01:16:53.340 --> 01:16:54.659
She was great.

1248
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:56.760
I was like, don't they?

1249
01:16:56.819 --> 01:16:59.699
These founders, although she did look a bit like a founder.

1250
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:07.319
Yeah, I mean, that was part of the thing, wasn't it, that they couldn't be detected and stuff?

1251
01:17:07.380 --> 01:17:08.159
Yeah.

1252
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:09.359
Yeah.

1253
01:17:09.420 --> 01:17:11.039
That no, well, but even...

1254
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.680
No, I do think they do a cheap job better at that.

1255
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:20.100
I did a good job of celebrating all of 90s trek in one way or another.

1256
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:21.659
Yeah.

1257
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.699
Yeah, I just thought of just one character.

1258
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:27.899
I'd like just one character.

1259
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:28.979
That's one show.

1260
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.939
Do you know, I was super glad that they didn't kill anyone.

1261
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.899
Like, I just thought that's miserable and, you know, Star Wars.

1262
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:37.979
What are you talking about?

1263
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:39.119
They killed a lot of people.

1264
01:17:39.180 --> 01:17:41.460
They didn't kill any of the main 7 though.

1265
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.319
You know, like they didn't kill...

1266
01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:44.159
Oh, I see what you mean.

1267
01:17:44.220 --> 01:17:45.119
Yeah, yeah, no.

1268
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:46.260
Is that what I normally do?

1269
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.220
miserable.

1270
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:48.960
That would have been just, yeah, that's right.

1271
01:17:49.020 --> 01:17:51.960
E-Cheb and Hugh.

1272
01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:53.640
Or each other.

1273
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.159
Who else?

1274
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:57.180
That was terrible.

1275
01:17:57.180 --> 01:17:57.779
Anson Rose.

1276
01:17:57.840 --> 01:17:58.560
That was pretty great.

1277
01:17:58.619 --> 01:18:00.840
And Shelby.

1278
01:18:00.899 --> 01:18:01.560
I didn't like that.

1279
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.720
Yeah, I didn't like that.

1280
01:18:03.779 --> 01:18:05.159
Let them have lives.

1281
01:18:05.220 --> 01:18:07.319
Oh, well, they're made up.

1282
01:18:07.380 --> 01:18:07.859
It's fine.

1283
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:11.100
And we did get to see her again and she was pretty great.

1284
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:16.739
That was actually a really, really good scene with her and him, wasn't it, in the bar?

1285
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.359
Like you broke my heart.

1286
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.300
I just thought...

1287
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:23.460
I thought that whole episode was great until the end.

1288
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.760
And then I was just like, don't kill her.

1289
01:18:26.819 --> 01:18:29.100
For God's sake, I know I'm glad they killed her.

1290
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:30.119
Yeah, yeah.

1291
01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:36.119
That raises the stakes and it doesn't matter whether she dies or not because it's not like there was ever going to be anything with Row in it again, ever.

1292
01:18:36.180 --> 01:18:38.340
You know, like she was done.

1293
01:18:38.699 --> 01:18:42.539
You can always go back and watch Battlestar Galactica episodes.

1294
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:44.159
Oh, that's true, yeah.

1295
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:45.539
She's endorsing rape.

1296
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.119
She's really good in that too.

1297
01:18:48.180 --> 01:18:50.100
She's terrifying in that.

1298
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.180
Gets that job on the strength of her performance in Star Trek, I think.

1299
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:55.140
She's so good.

1300
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:57.239
Yeah.

1301
01:18:57.239 --> 01:19:02.760
And I think maybe I re-imagining in Picard might be on the strength of a performance in Boustard Galactica.

1302
01:19:02.819 --> 01:19:06.119
Yeah, yeah. feeding each other there.

1303
01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:07.680
It was good.

1304
01:19:07.739 --> 01:19:08.579
It was probably good.

1305
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.220
We're going to have a big preamble, we better get going.

1306
01:19:11.220 --> 01:19:14.699
I think this might be a long, it might be a long episode.

1307
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:16.920
Yeah, yeah.

1308
01:19:16.979 --> 01:19:17.399
Okay.

1309
01:19:17.460 --> 01:19:18.119
All right.

1310
01:19:18.180 --> 01:19:22.920
Oh, well, I've got another thing to talk about as well, but I'll put that in just before we go into the episode, all right?

1311
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:23.880
All right, cool.

1312
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:29.460
In fact, no, you because my thing is so insignificant, yeah.

1313
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.399
You say about all of the, oh, no, hang on.

1314
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:35.279
We're doing the taggers, all the other stuff.

1315
01:19:35.340 --> 01:19:37.439
Oh, okay, so I'll put it in the tag then.

1316
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:38.640
This is the show.

1317
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.500
Okay.

1318
01:19:40.619 --> 01:19:42.720
Yeah, this is the tag.

1319
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:44.880
Well, right now.

1320
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:46.140
Yeah.

1321
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:47.699
Oh okay.

1322
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:49.020
Yeah we're doing the tag.

1323
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:49.859
That why we're talking.

1324
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:51.239
Well, this whole time.

1325
01:19:51.300 --> 01:19:53.579
Well, since it's cold.

1326
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:54.239
I'm off guard.

1327
01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:55.859
I didn't even realise.

1328
01:19:55.920 --> 01:20:00.060
I could have said anything. pants on now when.

1329
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.420
I'll never do that Well, then may I add then.

1330
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:07.380
Yeah.

1331
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:09.060
The longest tag we've ever done.

1332
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:09.840
Oh, yeah.

1333
01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:11.340
Well, we've been off.

1334
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:12.539
We've been off.

1335
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:13.619
People need to know why.

1336
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:18.000
I can't believe I didn't realise we've been, this has been part of the episode for the last sort of 10 minutes or so.

1337
01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:21.720
Anything could be, the moment you press record, anything could be.

1338
01:20:21.899 --> 01:20:23.460
That's true.

1339
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:24.899
And you've already done that a few times.

1340
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.579
I've done that to you.

1341
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:30.600
Suddenly I'm going to adopt my podcasting voice all of a sudden.

1342
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:31.140
Okay.

1343
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:39.300
And may I may I introduce you to, Yeah, I told you I occasionally peruse 2nd hour bookshops, you know, and this one.

1344
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:40.500
Oh, you sent me this photo?

1345
01:20:40.619 --> 01:20:53.340
Every now and again, I find an absolute gem, which is Star Trek related, but never before has been anything so amazing as the Star Trek cookbook, as written by Ethan Phillips from Star Trek.

1346
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:54.420
Oh, my God.

1347
01:20:54.539 --> 01:21:15.840
So when we when I was staying with you, we watched Toby Hadoke, friend of your other podcast, Toby Hadoke, um, doing the Doctor Who cookbook, Gary Downey's terrible cookbook from the 1980s, and all of the food was just fucking horrendous, like absolutely disgusting.

1348
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:19.560
What do you think about, what do you think about Ethan?

1349
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:28.739
What joy of this is he's taken genuine recipes that have appeared throughout the Star Trek franchise from the original series all the way through to Voyager.

1350
01:21:29.100 --> 01:21:32.399
I was trying to...

1351
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.979
The official cookbook from Star Trek's 1st chef.

1352
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:39.359
An exploration of Star Trek cuisine or the earthbound.

1353
01:21:39.420 --> 01:21:45.060
So he's taken these, you know, things like, you know, frangi puffs and things like this that they eat in episodes.

1354
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:46.920
I just don't do any random page.

1355
01:21:46.979 --> 01:21:49.020
Andorian tuba root.

1356
01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:51.899
Is there...

1357
01:21:51.899 --> 01:21:52.739
It gives them...

1358
01:21:52.739 --> 01:21:53.520
Of course.

1359
01:21:53.579 --> 01:21:59.579
Okay, gives them earth... ingredients.

1360
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:01.739
Sweet potatoes, butter, milk.

1361
01:22:01.859 --> 01:22:04.199
Is there a Tronya?

1362
01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:08.100
There is a Tronya drink.

1363
01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:09.119
Yes, it is fruit juice.

1364
01:22:09.180 --> 01:22:18.659
But the best thing ever is just like the Doctor Who cookbook, he has got contributors to Star Trek to their own recipes.

1365
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:23.220
So I present to you marina services, eggplant casserole.

1366
01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:32.159
I thought she would just say, well, just put the football on and open some beers.

1367
01:22:33.060 --> 01:22:34.020
Get the old machine in.

1368
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:34.979
Cut it in off.

1369
01:22:35.100 --> 01:22:36.779
Twisted on a bit of oil.

1370
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:38.880
She sounds a bit like Jamie Oliver now, doesn't she?

1371
01:22:38.939 --> 01:22:41.340
She serve.

1372
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:42.539
And that's your dinner, all right.

1373
01:22:42.779 --> 01:22:47.760
And any of the any of the Roberts to any of the Roberts contribute the recipe?

1374
01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:52.739
Pretty much every one, a couple of people from every iteration of Star Trek up to Voyager.

1375
01:22:52.859 --> 01:22:57.239
I think an Enterprise, I think there's there's some, it's an absolute sure.

1376
01:22:57.300 --> 01:23:01.079
Anyway, I thought every now and again I'll regale you or I'll just turn up eating something.

1377
01:23:01.140 --> 01:23:02.520
Cook, the funniest.

1378
01:23:02.579 --> 01:23:03.899
The funniest thing in the world is.

1379
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:05.220
Obviously, I bought this book.

1380
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:06.180
I was with Mark at the time.

1381
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:10.199
I sent him a message in a week saying, oh, I'm going to make dinner tonight.

1382
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:14.760
And then when he got in, he was like, oh, I thought we were having something from the Star Trek cookbook.

1383
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.180
Did he end up watching any more of series one?

1384
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:19.260
Did you make it all the way through?

1385
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.880
We've watched we've watched the 1st 10 episodes of series one.

1386
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.119
He's enjoying them way more than I am.

1387
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:29.939
It's still Star Trek.

1388
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.100
I mean, it's shitty, but you know, no one died, well, apart from Tashi Yar.

1389
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:40.560
And it's, you know, it's a shitty Star Trek season, but you know, we love Star Trek.

1390
01:23:40.619 --> 01:23:48.720
Hey, we can say with some certainty that this is the only time that justice has prompted somebody to do a rewatch of the next generation.

1391
01:23:48.779 --> 01:23:50.880
That's funny.

1392
01:23:50.939 --> 01:23:51.720
Holy shit.

1393
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:53.880
Right.

1394
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.319
Now we've been going 15 minutes.

1395
01:23:55.380 --> 01:23:58.140
We've got to start the actual...

1396
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.500
Oh no, we have been going 11 minutes.

1397
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:02.100
All right, good.

1398
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:02.760
That's good, train.

1399
01:24:02.819 --> 01:24:03.420
That's good length.

1400
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:05.159
It would have missed us, I'm sure.

1401
01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:05.819
Yeah.

1402
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.659
They're just talking this, talking about this episode.

1403
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:12.420
Jesus, I wish you'd have told me this was the tag.

1404
01:24:13.380 --> 01:24:17.100
You have thrown in more jokes. right.

1405
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:17.880
I would have done.

1406
01:24:17.939 --> 01:24:19.199
Here goes.

1407
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.779
This is how I charismatic he normally is.

1408
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.399
Why am I out of focus?

1409
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:24.960
Is it the microphone?

1410
01:24:25.020 --> 01:24:26.100
focussing on the microphone.

1411
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:26.520
Okay.

1412
01:24:27.659 --> 01:24:29.340
Hey, Joe.