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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this is a very special episode indeed, isn't it?

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And I want you to tell the people at home why.

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It was a very special episode for several reasons.

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Yeah.

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One is it is a special in itself because it's justice.

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It's amazingly good.

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The other reason is because you travel 10,000 miles across the

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world to watch this slice of Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, the moment I roll justice, I booked a file.

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There was no intention of you doing that beforehand.

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No, because...

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We have got to watch this man's legs being oiled up together.

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So we did watch this together last night, which is the 1st time

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that we've not the 1st time we've watched Star Trek together, but

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the 1st time we've ever watched it together in the same room, in

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person.

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So that's been pretty great.

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As I said before, I'm taking a bit of a break.

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This will be the only episode that we release while I'm away, but

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we didn't want to forego the opportunity of releasing an untitled

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Star Trek episode that we recorded in person together.

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The experience of watching Star Trek with you, especially an

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episode of this quality.

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I always figured, you know, you laugh more at TV than I did.

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And may I say you laughed an awful lot.

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We were also watching it with Mark, who didn't laugh all that much

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occasionally punctuated the episode with, oh, God.

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And I feel like that's a pretty solid description of the episode

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as a whole.

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So this is kind of a famously terrible episode.

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And in fact, last episode when we watched the least dangerous

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game.

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We mentioned that it refers pretty explicitly to justice.

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Remember, they go to the planet where instead of shaking hands

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they kiss hello with tongues.

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Yes, and they were all sort of tanned skinned.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're white skim pickle students. obsessed with health.

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Yeah, and it's been mentioned before, I think, on lower decks

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too.

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Like, I think probably the Wesley crashing into a flower bed and

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stuff has been...

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I think Lloydex would be the only Star Trek series brave enough to

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reference it.

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It'd be great if they did it again.

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I think if, you know, if Strange New Worlds went back to the Edo

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planet, that would be pretty something.

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Well, they become this tyrannical order.

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There's still a load of sex involved.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation is obviously not

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the sort of show that it ends up being.

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And one of the things that series one has is that it's really

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horny in a way that is really unsexy and unattractive.

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Gene Robin Berry is casting his eye over these scripts and going

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I'm sorry, these aren't sexy enough.

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Can we please have some scenes of dry humping in the background?

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Oh, that bit, the bit.

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I mean, we'll get there.

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But where the camera pans across the room and there's this chase

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kissing and legs being waxed and oh, gosh.

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It's proper like fully clothed rooting, but they're not, you know

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wearing all that march.

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And the costumes are just horrific.

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And it, because it's like 1987.

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You have a thing about this poor chap in this episode.

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Oh my gosh, Jimmy.

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The nappy that he has to wear.

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Yeah, so I've put him on the website and he's really upsettingly

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tugged.

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He's got Deanna level comel toe.

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I know, just very much there, you know.

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Oh, it's really, really not very attractive.

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And, you know, nowadays, if you had to get undressed on American

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television.

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You know, if you had body fat of more than about, you know, 2.5%.

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No, that's it.

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You'd be whole...

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We said that about Shatler in the original series.

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Yeah, he was walking around looking very impressive, you know, with

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his thumb out.

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Yeah, that just wouldn't happen.

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No, would it?

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Picard was buff as hell.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was climbing the raft.

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Exactly right.

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But these people are not that.

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Although there are one or 2 exceptions who will probably mention

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it as we'd go through. sort of hairy twink in there, you know?

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I think he may be 12, so I better... one of the children that

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Wesley gets sent off to play with is a very hairy child played by

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a 25-year-old, I think, probably.

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I recognised the bit where Wesley Crusher sort of going, oh, there

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are some games I don't actually play yet, where Mark was just

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going, oh, please make this end, you know?

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Well, again, it's super kind of horny, but it is still American

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TV.

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So the idea that a 15 year old would have sex is impossible to, you

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know, countenance.

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There's horny and then there's, there's like sleazy.

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It's really, and then they're sexy.

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Discovery is sexy.

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Yeah.

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You know, you've got... book.

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Yeah, yeah. and Michael.

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That is a hot couple.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, even the two, the gay couple.

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Yeah.

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Super hot.

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But this is not hot.

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This is absolutely an aphrodisiac.

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It is, yeah.

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I'm also going to make a statement, a bold statement about an

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acting choice in this episode.

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Because I think... going to be thrilled again.

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I am.

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I think this contains one of the worst from any regular in Star

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Trek.

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And actually, people, you know, point at Maurice Hurley and saying

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how dare they get rid of Gatesman fan, you know, Dr. Bibley

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Crusher.

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I mean, he could have just watched this episode and said, cut her

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out.

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Yeah, but she's more of a robot than data.

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Yeah, I think part of the problem, though, is that it's a role

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that's kind of impossible to play. you know, and with the line

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she's got.

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Oh, they're dreadful and she's got to kind of play someone whose

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son is going to be executed or might be going to be executed and

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no one's doing anything about it.

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And there are all sorts of scenes.

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Like there's one scene in particular that we'll mention where

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she's just standing there. waiting for everyone else talks. and

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it's kind of like, what is she to do?

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Like, what is she to do?

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In fact, I noticed with this, there was a couple of scenes and

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we've talked about blocking in 90s track.

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I think it does get better.

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Like getting better.

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Yeah, they go along.

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But at this point, they're like, they're literally lining up all

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the regulars in one shot and they've all got a line rather than

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doing cuts.

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No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's it's a miserable piece of work.

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But I want to say as well, like this, by all accounts, was the 2nd

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script to be commissioned after Encounter of PowerPoint.

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So they're on a great run here, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They're simple.

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And then there's this.

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This is, I mean, you don't even need a brain to watch this, you

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know?

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Like there's an attempt.

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I mean, the episode's called justice and we do have that sort of

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thing at the end where we say, you know, justice can't be real if

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laws aren't absolute or, you know, like a, it's just stupid.

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It's not an argument.

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It's not like, it's not examining the idea of the justice system

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basically just saying, well, there's an exception to every rule.

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We're off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think, though, you know, the one thing that it does do in an

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American context, which is reasonably brave, where, you know, for

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a little while, capital punishment was illegal in the United

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States, because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and then it

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was found not to be unconstitutional.

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And so America executes more people than any other sort of

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civilised country, civilised western country, you know, like, um

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you're suggesting the Americans are civilised now.

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Well, yeah, there's that.

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There's a veneer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, there's a lot of execution takes place in the United

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States in a way that just doesn't happen in European countries or

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in my country or anything like that.

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So they very, very clearly state that in the future, we will have

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decided that that's not a fair deterrent.

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You know, that it comes out anti-capital punishment, but it's not

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an anti-capital punishment episode, really, because the moral

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dilemma is about, do we make the exception?

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And then there's this weird problem with the prime directive where

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I don't know what it is.

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You know, if they're allowed to go down there and interact with

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people.

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Well, technically, if they are going to obey the prime directive

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have to let him die.

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Well, I don't know.

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What is the prime directive?

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That's the moral complexity of this, isn't it?

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Is that they're not supposed to interfere with the laws of a

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planet.

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I think that states.

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No, it's like pre-warp civilisation, is it?

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Yeah, this is, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But why how can they be down there then having sure leave?

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That's, I mean, yeah, yeah.

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I don't even question that.

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No, that's right.

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So the pro nobody's thinking at this point.

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No, that's right.

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So the prime directive is something super vague and super

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ridiculous.

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And I guess, like the Prime Break is important because they don't

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want the job of Star Trek to be cultural imperialism.

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Right.

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But it comes off that way.

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Series one.

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Several times.

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Yeah, the drug episode where they're like, well, we're taking that

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and so, ta-rah. good luck.

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No, but we know that that turns out all right, remember, because

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of...

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Only because Alex... gives a shit about those.

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So it was 30 years where they were worrying about that planet.

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That's right.

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You know, Picard didn't care.

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Certainly the comedown is pretty rough for them, but then they're

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fine. sort of went away from the bridge and said, I'll be in my

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comfortable quarters now.

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Yeah, forgetting about those people.

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But it is, like, the very fact that it is him falling in some

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flowers, playing a game of ball, where the conclusion is just the

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most trite homily.

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And then they just beam out arrogantly.

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I was just like, what the fuck was that about?

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Like, I think too, that there is a kind of sort of moral

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relativism that they want to do and kind of fair enough.

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They get better at.

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Yeah, yeah, this society is fucked. you know what I mean?

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Like they just sort of randomly kill people for doing trivial

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things.

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And like no one says at any point.

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Actually...

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You guys are fucked and we're not going along with this sea.

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Like, I think that would have been a reasonable...

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Immediately, they're just like, well, Wesley's are fucking in

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trouble. like, let's find him.

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Oh, and poor Wesley. like Will Wheaton eventually kind of is quite

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good and he's great before this in standby me.

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But this material...

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Yeah, yeah.

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But this material is so dreadful.

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He really struggles to land it.

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And a bit where she's like, I don't understand.

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You're accustomed towards love. and he's like, oh, yeah.

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I guess whatever you normally do.

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But he was so naturalistic in stand by me.

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Like, he made me cry several times in that, you know?

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Yeah, he's really properly good.

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And he does get better as well.

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Yeah, but this material is so terrible that he struggles.

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And of course, he's fighting an uphill battle because nerds hate

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other nerds and so...

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Yeah, that's right.

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Because we hate ourselves.

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Exactly.

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So I'm going to pour one out for Will Wheaton in this episode he's

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given a really, really tough job to do and he does it very badly

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but I'm prepared to say it's not his fault.

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This was filmed 8th because of the location work.

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This is the 1st episode to get location work after the pilot.

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So they couldn't film it immediately.

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Originally it was supposed to go out second.

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So, you know, the naked now wouldn't have been off.

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Yeah, yeah, which is a bad choice.

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Amazing sophomore episode of the acceleration.

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If you will indulge me as ever, in person now, I would like to

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read to you a small synopsis, because John D.F. Black, who his

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name is on this script, his original version of this story is very

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different.

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It sounds just as dreadful.

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I have just added the sex and really toned down like they've made

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it a lot simpler than it was.

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So, it goes as this.

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Yeah, the colony of little good grief, how do you say that?

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Laroff installed punishment for all backwards.

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It's double L. Yeah, so it's for all backwards, isn't it?

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Oh, good grief.

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I thought there was a Welsh.

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Yeah, Welsh planet.

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Lulala.

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Well, they installed punishment zones to fight anarchy.

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However, the zones are now enforced to abide the law, but for only

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those who are deemed not immune to them.

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As the Enterprise D security officer, Officer Tenson, whatever

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that might be, um, protecting 2 children while on shore leave

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happens upon a crime scene and is shot dead by the policeman.

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I mean, already this sounds a beautiful...

295
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Yeah, does sound pretty good.

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Um, who is also killed by his partner.

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Oh, how do you say that?

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Or tap.

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OTAP on the spot for misinterpreting his duty.

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In his 1st draft, Picard decides not to help the rebels, led by

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Renig, as a space name.

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Yeah, who fight against this system of council member Treebore.

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Robert backwards. and also the name of a mint.

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Finally, it turns out the rebels install a similarly totalitarian

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regime when they gain power, but in the 2nd draft, a rebel leader

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called Renig.

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Terrible name. is put on trial and executed for treason.

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I mean, it sounds a little bit more serious than what we get.

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This is super simple.

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It is just the crew of the Enterprise, you know, fall foul of an

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unjust law and have to decide what to do about it.

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The one element that I did kind of like, and I only kind of like

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it is God.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so God is like a weird spaceship and he's up there.

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Well, they call it it, which I think works really well in the

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dialogue.

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So God, it is up there enforcing these moral principles and

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things.

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And they don't phasing in and out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Which is a bit weird and I think data says at one point that it's

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in several places at once. things like that.

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So it's sort of omnipotent.

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Yeah.

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And it looks weird as well.

328
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That's what I like.

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We've been watching the HD version with the better special

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effects.

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The Edo still looked reasonably good originally, I think. people

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watching this at the time and being sort of knocked out by the by

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the spaceship.

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The last thing I want to talk about, though, before we go in

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because now 15 minutes, like preamble.

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Well, we knew we would say a lot in Boston. is how stilted all the

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performances were in this.

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Like, this is a crew that has not jailed yet.

339
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It's not Voyager.

340
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I think they knocked it out of the park.

341
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And DS9 took a little while, but there was the access was so

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strong that when they were given the decent material series one

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they were amazingly good.

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But nobody seems very sorry of what they're doing here, especially

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Patrick Stewart.

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Yeah, Patrick Stewart is, he gives a bad performance, I think.

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But it's also a bit shocking.

348
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You know, I've said before that I think LaVar Burton is amazingly

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good in Star Trek, the Next Generation, and doesn't get credit for

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being as good as he actually is.

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And here he's really wooden as well.

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And so everyone is kind of terrible.

353
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No one quite knows what to do.

354
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And it does take a while for them to chill out.

355
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And I think maybe even the 1st couple of years there's an

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awkwardness to everyone's performance.

357
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I don't, well, I don't think anybody thinks that this and can you

358
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blame them after reading this script, it's going to be a success

359
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no that's right.

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Patrick Stewart, you know, as we've said many times, still has

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another...

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Using a suitcase as it's still, you know, like, oh, well, I'll get

363
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the check and rub.

364
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Yeah, I'll be back doing BBC Shakespeare.

365
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Yeah, any day now.

366
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Oh, bless them.

367
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Well, I should.

368
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I think we should.

369
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Yeah we should.

370
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So I'm going to count as eaten.

371
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Five, four, three, two, one, and wear off.

372
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Okay, so this is a beautiful new planet, because the planet was

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just a big kind of ball of polycyren that they would project

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patterns onto and have the have the model fly pass.

375
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Is that a new effect then?

376
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

377
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That last look really tasty.

378
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No, because the planets never look like planets with sort of

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continents and cloud and stuff on them.

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They just couldn't afford it.

381
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Did you just see that shot then looking up at Picard with the star

382
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ceiling?

383
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Yeah, it's quite nice, you know?

384
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Well, that's the other thing too.

385
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They haven't really properly developed the house style at this

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point.

387
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So you see things that you would never normally see.

388
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And the music, which is a little overbearing at times, but I'll

389
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take that over the wallpaper from season 4 onwards.

390
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But I mean, look at this shot.

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There's a lot of lot more shadows.

392
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It's much less evenly lit than later episodes and there's more

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dark in the frame.

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I remember a couple of scenes later on.

395
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I was like, is there light from a window coming in?

396
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Yeah, it's not practical lighting, but it is just a different

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choice that they make.

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And I remember thinking when I 1st saw like series 3, how

399
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incredibly filming it looked.

400
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But now when I see it, I think it's just very boring lately

401
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especially compared to the lace trek.

402
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Yeah, yeah.

403
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Yeah.

404
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Yeah.

405
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So now we're discussing the Edo planet.

406
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They've been down and had a bit of sex and Geordie La Forge even

407
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says something, they make love at the drop of a hat.

408
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He's saying it now.

409
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And there's, and there's horny fucking Tasha Yanko anyhow.

410
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So I didn't get when we were watching last night.

411
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Mark is not a big fan of Tasha Yar, is that right?

412
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He seems to think that every episode he watches, she's responsible

413
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for the problem.

414
00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.039
Well, she is in this isn't she?

415
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Yeah, she hasn't read the briefing or hasn't kind of, you know

416
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there's a line later where they say, oh, we knew about the laws

417
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but we didn't know what the penalty was.

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And you kind of think, well, she's seen on the byline that they're

419
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ready to fuck.

420
00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

421
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Skim read this.

422
00:18:50.339 --> 00:18:52.440
I'm sure it is.

423
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I need to get down there and drop a hat.

424
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I've been through the enterprise through twice.

425
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Oh, look at this shot.

426
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From the point of view of the viewscreen of everyone in the show.

427
00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

428
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And we've got the lovely reclining chairs of season one and two

429
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just so the camera can get everybody in.

430
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It just looks like everyone's having a kip.

431
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It does.

432
00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:16.680
They look like beach lounges or whatever.

433
00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:18.960
Oh, here we go.

434
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We're talking about the theme tune yesterday, weren't we?

435
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I think we really discussed that too much on untitled Star Trek

436
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project.

437
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What we didn't discuss when we did Manhunt was these opening

438
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credits, which I actually kind of like, because the ones that

439
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appear later are just like weird shapes, like you don't really

440
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know what you're seeing.

441
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But the idea that we started Earth and then head off into the

442
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distance, I think, is actually pretty good.

443
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I don't like it, though, in season 5 when they do the Star Trek

444
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the Next Generation, with sort of trails of fire.

445
00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:51.000
I mean, coming off it.

446
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I mean, it jazzes up a bit.

447
00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:54.779
Yeah, yeah, no, that's musical.

448
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But now you've said it and you keep doing this to me, is you point

449
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things out and then I can't unsee them.

450
00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:05.519
It spoils every time I watch it, but I now can see those shots

451
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from encounter a far point throughout the entire run.

452
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

453
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I'm like, I don't think there's an original shot.

454
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They do get a smaller model that's more detailed around about

455
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halfway through the show's runner a little bit earlier.

456
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And so you can tell the difference between, I guess, it's the 6

457
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foot model and the 5 foot model and it does look different.

458
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And in fact, I think it's the original model that has, you know

459
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like slightly coloured things, like in the close-up.

460
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You can see little coloured squares on there.

461
00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.359
Well, I know, it's this time, didn't I?

462
00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:40.980
And on the top. you could see people.

463
00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:42.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:45.660
Yeah, here in this shot, yeah. which I have never seen before.

465
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That's the observation lounge.

466
00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.720
I swear that's a new effect.

467
00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:50.160
No, no, I don't think it is.

468
00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:52.920
I've watched these 100s of times.

469
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I refuse to believe there's a new detail to catch.

470
00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.480
Although, you know, the bit where the enterprise just zooms. as

471
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everyone's name appears.

472
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.119
Yeah, it's very funny, isn't it?

473
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.220
Well, that's what happens in the original, though.

474
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That's true.

475
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.319
Oh, here we go.

476
00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:08.220
So here we go.

477
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So we're outside, which is refreshing.

478
00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.059
Oh yeah.

479
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:14.579
Oh, look at those 2 kissing in front of the waterwork.

480
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Stop it.

481
00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.839
So, and it is a great location, I think.

482
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I double check.

483
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It is the same location where they film Starvly Headquarters.

484
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:24.900
Okay.

485
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.940
So this is where Boothby does his garden.

486
00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:27.720
Oh, of course.

487
00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:30.779
And so it's beautifully lush, like very green lawns.

488
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I'm sure they're fake.

489
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.480
Oh, now he's our guy.

490
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.279
Beautiful park they go into later.

491
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When Wes is playing ball.

492
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Yeah.

493
00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:39.660
No, you know what?

494
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.299
I'm going to be critical of this, but I didn't mind this so much.

495
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I did like Troy, who's a bit chased when the guy tries to give her

496
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a hug.

497
00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:48.660
Yeah.

498
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.539
Yeah, she sort of thinks it's, oh, yuck.

499
00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.059
And look at her.

500
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No, she's virtually rolling her eyes and they cut away from her as

501
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the guy.

502
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She's having a bit of father.

503
00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:00.420
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:01.920
That wig on Rivan.

505
00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:03.660
Oh, that's terrible.

506
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:05.759
I can see her dark hair underneath.

507
00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:09.119
And something happens to it during transport and it looks

508
00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.539
completely different on in the studio.

509
00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:16.619
Yeah, actually, I, see, that reaction from, from Marina.

510
00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:18.180
She sort taps him, doesn't she?

511
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.359
Yeah, she pets him on the shoulder as if she's...

512
00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:23.339
Tash is straight in.

513
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.519
What do you, whatever, man came up to me on an away mission

514
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:27.900
started nibbling on my neck.

515
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:29.099
I'll be like what are you doing?

516
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:30.599
Well, it depends on the man.

517
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:33.960
But if that, man, I would be punching him in the face.

518
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.480
He's horrible.

519
00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:40.559
Oh, I love what she says to wharf, I welcome this huge one.

520
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:41.220
A huge one.

521
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.079
That's because she's already been down once.

522
00:22:43.140 --> 00:22:45.420
Yeah, she knows he's well endowed.

523
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.759
Well, they virtually say that later.

524
00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:53.579
I have to restrain myself. are too fragile.

525
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.160
I mean, they'd never have that dialogue in later suit.

526
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:56.759
No, they do.

527
00:22:56.819 --> 00:22:57.480
Do they?

528
00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:58.680
Yeah, yeah.

529
00:22:58.740 --> 00:22:59.640
Oh, with Gynon.

530
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:00.539
Kind of the war.

531
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.440
The very 1st episode that we watched on Untitled Star Trek

532
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:04.799
Project.

533
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:06.180
Yeah, he says.

534
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.880
I would need a human female for companionship.

535
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:15.720
Oh, she gives Wesley a sort of more matronly hard.

536
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.079
Why if you're going down to this gorgeous sunny planet, would you

537
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:20.160
wear that big woolly jumper?

538
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:23.400
Yeah, yeah. casual clothes are not good.

539
00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:25.980
I mean, okay, you and I are Doctor Who fans.

540
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.519
We have seen some pretty terrible costuming overall. you know

541
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.599
shower curtains and...

542
00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.259
Why this must be some of the worst costumes I've ever seen.

544
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:35.039
They dreadful.

545
00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.859
It's not just like aesthetically.

546
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.359
It doesn't flatter anybody.

547
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.380
No, no.

548
00:23:40.380 --> 00:23:42.359
And particularly not this guy.

549
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:46.380
And that's the other thing that I thought about this planet is

550
00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:51.960
because it's the 1980s and all of these people are white and

551
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:52.980
blonde.

552
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.980
It's like a fucking clan rally.

553
00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:59.220
I put on, didn't I?

554
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.000
The 1st scene of Code of Honour after this, because we were trying

555
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.319
to compare whether this...

556
00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:05.579
Which one is more racist?

557
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.759
And I think you came down on justice. didn't you I think justice

558
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.720
is super racist because, you know, these people, Yeah, Code of

559
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:13.619
Honour is shockingly bad.

560
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.740
I mean, it has actual black people in it that it can make fun of.

561
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:17.819
It's super terrible.

562
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:23.099
But like this, I just think this is yucky.

563
00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:27.599
And and he is dreadful, that lead guy, because everyone's got

564
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.500
blonded hair.

565
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.259
Do you remember everyone blonded their hair in the 80s?

566
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:32.700
So even the people who aren't blonde.

567
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:34.440
And crimson, just like Rivan.

568
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:35.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

569
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.400
I'm like a crimpy, like, and it's the worst look she ever had.

570
00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:38.940
I'm telling you.

571
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.220
And this guy, too, has to do a lot of running.

572
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.240
We've decided ill advisedly that there's an old woman there.

573
00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:47.160
Well this is beyond shit.

574
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.960
They were all just running around being happy.

575
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:49.859
Yeah.

576
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:54.539
But I, are they running sort of their tits and bits and pieces

577
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:55.559
flop up and down?

578
00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:56.940
you know what I think this is.

579
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.259
I think this is a poor man's version of the original. looking back

580
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:04.559
and they're going, this is what we think it was like with people

581
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.920
with, you know, scantily clad running around in the sun.

582
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.240
Yeah, yeah, you know.

583
00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:10.440
It wasn't like this.

584
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.819
We've done the original series.

585
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.460
There's the sort of 25-year-old hairy child.

586
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.680
I wouldn't say no to me.

587
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.359
The other one looks about tense.

588
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.279
Yeah, yeah, and his skinny arms and stuff.

589
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.380
And that poor, that lovely looking girl.

590
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:22.980
Yeah.

591
00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.319
She's so sad though.

592
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.059
No, wealth.

593
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:28.680
Okay, now we're in the studio.

594
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:33.420
And there are people doing, oh, Jesus, like what?

595
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:34.980
It's sort of an interpretive dog.

596
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.759
Yeah, yeah.

597
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:37.140
Yeah, everyone's blonde.

598
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.180
These people drinking champagne.

599
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.859
He's grabbed her tits.

600
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:41.880
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:43.380
Now, they do it.

602
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.640
I don't know, but it's this, that one looks like Kath from Kath

603
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.480
and Kidd over there.

604
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:52.859
This is the least sensual massage you can imagine.

605
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.359
This woman absolutely hates this guy.

606
00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:00.180
Look at that guy. his dick.

607
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.259
Look at him.

608
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.220
He doesn't have a dick.

609
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:03.960
We're like, no, he's got camel toe.

610
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:05.099
It's all sort of tucked up.

611
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:06.839
It's really gross.

612
00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:07.799
It's weird.

613
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.279
It sort of exposes the belly button, but hides the chest.

614
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:12.660
It's such a weird costume.

615
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:17.160
Well, remember the belly button fetish that the people had in the

616
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.660
least dangerous game?

617
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:20.700
That's exactly what they're talking about.

618
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:21.779
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

619
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.200
Yeah, because remember that Rutherford and Billips got in trouble

620
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.220
for going into their sacred temple without exposing their button

621
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:29.819
brilliant.

622
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.420
The god, which is what, part computer, part baby.

623
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:36.059
Psychic baby.

624
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:37.859
A volcano as well.

625
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.220
And I did notice as well last night when we were watching this

626
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.299
when you go from the location work, back to the Enterprise, sort

627
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:47.039
of how dreary the light is.

628
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah.

629
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.400
Well, I mean, it's...

630
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:57.180
Like, I think that shooting a science fiction show on location is

631
00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:00.240
difficult because you have to find particular locations and you

632
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:01.319
have to kind of create the world.

633
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.980
And eventually, I think it becomes possible because people are

634
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:09.839
better at CGCGI and so you can, you know, erase things and stuff

635
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:10.920
in post-production.

636
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.339
Well, they still do location work, are they in Kursman Trade?

637
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:14.880
Yeah, yeah.

638
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:15.539
Well, they do well.

639
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

640
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.480
Well, you're the one we watched where they were in an American

641
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:18.839
wouldn't it?

642
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:19.559
Contemporary America.

643
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:20.579
And it's amazing.

644
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.579
Oh, and the one in trill, you know, like the one...

645
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:25.440
Oh, no, that's...

646
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.819
That was in a park like that.

647
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:27.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

648
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:31.440
And that's so much better because I've said before that 90s trek

649
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.460
has the production values of a daytime soap opera because they

650
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:36.359
never go outside.

651
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:40.799
I believe I just saw Joe Carey there from Star Trek Voyager.

652
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:44.279
Yeah, so he's backup Geordie guy.

653
00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:47.039
So when Geordie's not sitting in the chair.

654
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.019
So in this scene, for instance.

655
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:50.700
Geordie's not sitting in the chair.

656
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.579
So that's where Joe Carey sort of turns off.

657
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.079
It's such a weird character.

658
00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:58.140
It turns out he's got quite a pivotal role in series one of

659
00:27:58.140 --> 00:27:59.160
Voyager.

660
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.200
And then he vanishes halfway through series 2.

661
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.880
And then he turns up in series five?

662
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:06.420
No, seven, seven, and then they kill him. and they murder him.

663
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:06.960
Yeah, yeah.

664
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.099
We haven't seen him for 6 years.

665
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:09.660
Yeah, that is weird.

666
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.920
Did you see, just that?

667
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.839
There was a shot and I did mention this to you last night.

668
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.740
Um, where Jordan La Forge is going into a room and the camera

669
00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:18.480
can't follow him into the room.

670
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:19.380
So they've taken out the wall.

671
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.740
And just the camera's gone past, through the wall, from the

672
00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:23.640
exterior to the internet.

673
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.259
Now they would never do that later on.

674
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:25.740
No.

675
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:26.519
But I like that.

676
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.240
I do too.

677
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:27.900
Yeah.

678
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.700
Oh, do you know what?

679
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.160
I was watching Mark when this bit was going on and the ball was

680
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.460
coming out of the Edo ship and heading into the Enterprise and he

681
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:36.900
was looking quite interested at this.

682
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.819
He's getting into this now.

683
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.619
Yeah, I confess something to you.

684
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.220
What's that?

685
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.720
He said to me before bed last night.

686
00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:46.799
I think we should watch all of series one of Star of the First

687
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:47.460
Generation.

688
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.500
So justice won him over.

689
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:57.779
But it may just be like rubbernecking in a car crash. don't you

690
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:00.599
think Like it's just like, well, that's why we watch reality TV

691
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:01.980
most of the time, isn't it?

692
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.019
Where, I mean, the only thing to watch you.

693
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.960
Are there good episodes in series one, the battle's okay?

694
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:08.819
The battle, I like conspiracy.

695
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.619
Yeah, it's very gross at the end.

696
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:12.660
I think that might be it.

697
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.859
It might be it.

698
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.240
I think, and seriously.

699
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:16.259
But the worst is very funny.

700
00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:19.319
Some of it, like the Arsenal freedom and things like that.

701
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.180
Yeah, very funny.

702
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.000
Oh, that one with a fellow gets older and older, too short a

703
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.099
season's face just gets bigger and bigger.

704
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.119
Oh, yeah.

705
00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:29.400
Oh, right, when the Edo got talks.

706
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:32.519
Not only, they've gone down the, you know, it's got a distinct

707
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:33.299
British act.

708
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.839
No, no, he's an American, but he's got that American...

709
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:37.259
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:38.640
Mysterious voice.

711
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.000
Yeah, he sounds like, like, um, Baylock.

712
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:43.920
His voice is so dramatic.

713
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:46.559
Yeah, that shakes the ship.

714
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:49.500
That's great But again, he's God.

715
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.859
And so, of course, God, you know, when God speaks the earth

716
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:53.579
shakes.

717
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:56.700
Oh, it's a lazy man's version of God, though.

718
00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.700
No, but I actually think that that's because, you know, like

719
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:03.720
America is less and less religious every day, but it's still much

720
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.720
more religious than Britain or Australia.

721
00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:13.019
And so having God as a kind of problem, you know, God and God's

722
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:16.079
role is protecting the Edo, but it's also making sure that

723
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:17.400
everyone follows them.

724
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.359
No, that's okay.

725
00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:20.400
I don't want to hear any of that.

726
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.859
I know it's going to be an agonising backstory.

727
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.420
Yeah, it just feels a bit...

728
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:29.220
No, no, it's just, well, because I think in a way, it's that sort

729
00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:32.579
of Star Trek thing where this society doesn't work on its own

730
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:37.440
terms, and it merely exists to serve the kind of political point

731
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.799
that they want to make, except they're too cowardly and kind of

732
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.839
inept to make a proper political point.

733
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:45.299
And so having God who's a spaceship.

734
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:50.819
So God is real and he's a force that not only makes the Edo obey

735
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.279
the law, but also should make them obey the law.

736
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:55.920
They must have done that in the original series, surely.

737
00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:58.740
Like a technological God.

738
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.420
Yeah, like Landrew.

739
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.799
Ah, yeah.

740
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.519
Do you know, there was a bit there, right?

741
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.380
Talk about simplicity.

742
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.500
So we've been at the very 1st scene of this episode.

743
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.000
They're talking about the colony.

744
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:12.660
They put it on.

745
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.519
We all need some shore leave now.

746
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.799
We found this great sex planet.

747
00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:18.839
Pre-riser, of course.

748
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:24.059
And then the ball comes out of the Edo ship and it's like, you

749
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:26.339
know, why did you leave people there?

750
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.779
Because I can really confuse.

751
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.480
And Data steps up and goes, oh, the colony, sir.

752
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:32.220
The colony was just from before.

753
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:33.299
Fuck me.

754
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.319
Are these people stupid?

755
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.380
Well, it was a much needed exposition for our purposes.

756
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.380
Oh, no, Wesley Cross is doing...

757
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.160
That's his double.

758
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:43.019
It's really, really bad.

759
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.740
I think they're supposed to be backflips, but it doesn't quite...

760
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:47.519
No, we can't.

761
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:50.819
Oh, this is where the young lady says to me, I want to do

762
00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.380
something too, with you.

763
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.279
Yeah, there's something I want you to teach me. he kind of goes, I

764
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.359
don't quite know some games.

765
00:31:57.420 --> 00:31:59.099
I mean, this was lower decks.

766
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.480
They'd be like, right, let's go.

767
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.559
Yeah, yeah.

768
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.940
Except it's original TNG.

769
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.420
Well, you see, he's teaching them baseball, like a ball. just

770
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:09.900
ball.

771
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.099
But he wants a bat.

772
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.480
Like I kind of, you know, and they're going to get a stick and hit

773
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.839
the ball.

774
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:19.440
So I wonder if he's teaching him. anything a bit more complex than

775
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:20.220
that, couldn't it?

776
00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:26.039
Yeah, it's sort of dismal and there goes hairy, 25-year-old

777
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:27.000
teenager.

778
00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:27.779
Oh boy.

779
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.240
Now, this is snugging each other.

780
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.980
Yeah, this is... particularly gross this scene.

781
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.420
So we in front of a painting of some... playing a game, right?

782
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.259
They're playing a game.

783
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.000
What looks like dice.

784
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.779
They put the dice behind their backs and then they all present...

785
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.980
Do you think it's a sex game?

786
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.799
It's kind of like, oh, who's going to be in them with who or what

787
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.279
they're going to do?

788
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:49.380
Are we going to do the reverse cowgirl?

789
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.519
Were they present the dice?

790
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:51.480
They all start laughing.

791
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right Oh, you've rolled.

792
00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:55.259
She's licking her out tonight, then.

793
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.359
You've rolled dirty Sanchez.

794
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.559
Oh, and Troy.

795
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:05.460
And trying sat behind, like, she's just, they're trying to

796
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:08.160
persuade her to do a FFM three.

797
00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:11.339
But it's the oldest couple with poor Troy.

798
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.119
Everyone else hanging out with these young, you know, supposed to

799
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:15.599
be hot people.

800
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:20.700
Now, here is some wharf bragging about the size of his dick and I

801
00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:21.299
think it's ribbed.

802
00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:22.920
Wow.

803
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.019
Yeah, it's ridged for her pleasure.

804
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.779
Oh, give it a go.

805
00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:28.680
Yeah, so here we go.

806
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:30.119
Bragging, sir.

807
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:35.220
He's got weird sort of stilted dialogue here, though, as well

808
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:38.579
where he goes, you know, are females, too fragile, and he doesn't

809
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:40.019
talk in actual sentences.

810
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.559
No.

811
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:45.420
I think too, in series one, like, even though Wharf's in the

812
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:47.880
opening credits and stuff, they're a bit tentative about whether

813
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:49.019
he was a regular or not.

814
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:53.400
Um, and same with Deanna, Deanna disappears for a bunch of

815
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:54.779
episodes towards the end.

816
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.000
It's when they learn to have fun with both of them.

817
00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:57.539
Yeah.

818
00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:00.660
You know, they realise wharf's actually very, you know, I don't

819
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.220
even kill him, you know, it's very funny.

820
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.900
Well, I am not a merry man.

821
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.119
But it's not just the funny lines.

822
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:09.300
It is also that role that I've said that when they're debating a

823
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:09.960
course of action.

824
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:11.519
He's the one who says what's wrong.

825
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.519
He's the one whose opinion is almost always wrong.

826
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:16.800
And there's always been something to counter against, isn't

827
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:16.920
there?

828
00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:17.280
You know?

829
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.119
Oh, I need to. need to bring up this terrible backdrop.

830
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:22.800
Oh, yeah.

831
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.599
They've done this colony set here.

832
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:29.880
And then they put some potlants just behind the actors.

833
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.659
From the production office.

834
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:33.780
Behind them, they've got a painting of more trees.

835
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.119
It is awful.

836
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:39.360
I mean, I've seen some terrible sort of, you know, studio planets

837
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.400
in TNG series one.

838
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:44.460
But that Doctor Who would have done better than that, you know?

839
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.679
Maybe not in the 60s, but yes.

840
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:48.300
But when this was going out.

841
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:49.800
Young, yeah.

842
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.539
Well, they just go outside.

843
00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:55.440
They learned that lesson by then, yeah.

844
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:59.340
TNG, they go outside, what, 3 times a year, maybe?

845
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:04.440
Yeah, in series two, there's one scene shot on location and

846
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.099
everything else.

847
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.280
So it's it's Picard on a horse.

848
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.239
Oh, I remember.

849
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:09.659
Yeah.

850
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:10.920
Is that it?

851
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.300
It's the only thing in series 2.

852
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.960
Yeah.

853
00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:13.619
Wow.

854
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.500
So it's very refreshing then in the survivors in series free.

855
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.340
Do you remember?

856
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:17.760
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:20.699
And that's another great location because it's like a big modern

858
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.360
space house.

859
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:22.619
Great episode.

860
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.159
Wow.

861
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:23.579
You know?

862
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:27.179
That would have been worth coming 10,000 miles across the world to

863
00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:27.780
watch.

864
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:28.380
Yeah, exactly.

865
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:28.980
Exactly.

866
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.239
Oh, this is still a good reason to hop on a plane.

867
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:39.119
That's why Tasha asked. like, yeah, I did read the rules, but, you

868
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.460
know, I learned nothing about punishment. would have gone there

869
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:41.760
first.

870
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:47.880
So this is where they're explaining to them the legal system and

872
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.619
everyone's kind of suddenly scared about Wesley and they all sort

873
00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:53.159
of run off.

874
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:57.599
So the equivalent is, say, in my town of Eastbourne, right now, is

875
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.880
that, and, like, they just choose a suburb.

876
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:00.539
Yeah.

877
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.599
And if you do anything wrong in that suburb, then you're gonna be

878
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:03.840
killed.

879
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:06.539
Yeah, and presumably you don't know beforehand.

880
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.460
So everyone just behaves themselves.

881
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:12.179
Yeah, yeah, because they might be in the punishment zone. that

882
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:12.780
would work, you know.

883
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.539
Well, yeah, maybe, maybe.

884
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.119
I suppose if everyone was told they didn't have to go to work and

885
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.239
they could just all have sex all day and behave yourself.

886
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:23.639
And yeah, yeah, avoid the punishment zones.

887
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:26.880
And so the punishment zones, though, apart from that seem to be

888
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.320
clearly marked, don't they?

889
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.179
Like, you think if you're...

890
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:31.139
It's a white waller fence.

891
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:32.039
Yeah, yeah.

892
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:34.500
So it's this sort of white barrier that we're gonna see.

893
00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:35.880
Oh, this bit now.

894
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.019
No, Wes.

895
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.519
It's forbidden to disturb.

896
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.739
No way.

897
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:44.699
We ow.

898
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.400
Oh, those lovely flowers there, though, you know?

899
00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:49.440
They're really brightly coloured, aren't they?

900
00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:52.260
They're great. why I don't like cut flowers.

901
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.980
Keep them in the ground.

902
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.519
Yeah.

903
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.739
The corpses.

904
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.059
Can you just see the fences?

905
00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:57.960
It's for new plants.

906
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.840
Oh boy.

907
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.400
But I said to you last night.

908
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.639
When I 1st watched this, aged 7 years old.

909
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:07.500
Was it 87, this came out.

910
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.960
Plus, this was the most gripping drama academic.

911
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.059
I remember watching, I had this tape.

912
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.000
It was Lonely Among Us and Justice.

913
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:18.840
Lonely Among Us had Picard doing a fabulous sort of electricity.

914
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. about that, I think.

915
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.000
Follow that up with all of this sort of, well, for a seven-year

916
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.000
old.

917
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:24.780
This was very sexy.

918
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.019
TV doesn't get better than this.

919
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.340
Look at the ugly guy on the right with the horrible blonde

920
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:32.880
highlights.

921
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:33.960
Not entirely sure.

922
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:36.000
No, that's true. are pretty horrific.

923
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:41.039
But I do think the most simplistic line hits in a minute where it

924
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.179
pulls out is needle and Tashiago, well, it's a kind of syringe.

925
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.659
No, but what about the famous we've just missed at the I'm from

926
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:49.559
Starfleet.

927
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:50.340
We don't lie.

928
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.900
Did they want us to like Wesley Crusher?

929
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:58.320
That's the sort of thing they parody in Valiant.

930
00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.219
Yeah.

931
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.320
When they're like, we're red squad and we can do anything.

932
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.639
And then they killed a lot of them.

933
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:03.239
Yeah.

934
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.079
Well, I mean, that was sort of a little bit hinted at in like, um

935
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.000
the 1st duty, wasn't it?

936
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:13.980
Where the worst Robert was in charge of some squadron.

937
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.000
That's who I thought in that.

938
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.019
Yeah, yeah, he's good in that.

939
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.300
The funny bit here is, right?

940
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.139
They about to kill him.

941
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:19.619
Yeah.

942
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.099
So there's like, you know, just accept your punishment and be

943
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:23.460
killed.

944
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.400
And then when they stop him, they go, well, look, we were just

945
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:26.940
going to kill him.

946
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.519
Now you've really upset him. now he's frightened.

947
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:32.639
No, no, I'd rather be frightened than dead, you know?

948
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:39.420
And yeah, the syringe line is coming up.

949
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.260
Yeah, there you go.

950
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.800
Do you imagine there was like a, like a boardroom of people.

951
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:46.079
These scripts were going around there at the time.

952
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:48.480
It wasn't, I don't think so. no, no, of course.

953
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.440
No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

954
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.239
And they're literally all just chipping in.

955
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:52.679
Oh, well, let's make it sexy.

956
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:54.480
It's throwing us a syringe.

957
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.019
So I, this is, this is, it's a kind of syringe.

958
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.460
Well done, Tasha.

959
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.860
I love those tiny little portable phases, which disappear from the

960
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.400
show.

961
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.059
This season.

962
00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:07.739
Come the Arsenal of Freedom.

963
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.300
They've got these enormous phases.

964
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:09.840
Yeah.

965
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.099
But they're also weird in that they don't have like the grip, you

966
00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:15.780
know, the dustbusters.

967
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.780
So I like the phase of rifles they have later on.

968
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.239
Yeah, except they look like they're made out of balsa wood

969
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:21.659
though.

970
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.159
Well, you would say that, would you?

971
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.360
There's no recoil, there's no half to them, you know, they're kind

972
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:27.840
of terrible.

973
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:31.260
I still cannot believe that, I think this is the only episode in

974
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:35.039
series one directed by James Elconway, where he went on to direct

975
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.320
some of the best way of the Warrior.

976
00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:40.079
You've directed Way of the Warrior, Shattered Mirror, which has

977
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.260
some brilliant special effect sequences in it.

978
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.780
I think he did all Matt Bashir as well.

979
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.260
Right.

980
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.239
Like, this was humble beginning.

981
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

982
00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:52.559
Like, there's plenty of, you know, one of the weird things about

983
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.460
watching series one is you look at the opening credits and the, you

984
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:59.820
know, the credits over the beginning and all these production

985
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.619
people who never appear.

986
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.059
Yeah, especially the writers.

987
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:04.800
Yeah, a lot of writers in one and two.

988
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.780
Yeah, Michael Peeler comes in and goes, right.

989
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:08.579
Getting rid of those people.

990
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.159
Well, I don't know if this guy wrote anything else.

991
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:13.440
He's got a fabulous name, but I can't remember what it is.

992
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:18.179
But what's interesting is like, obviously, enough, it really works

993
00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:18.960
here.

994
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:24.300
But the premise, the characters, the ship, like it's all made to

995
00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:24.539
work.

996
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.139
Yeah.

997
00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:27.059
So like there was a germ of something here.

998
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.980
I just didn't realise it for some time.

999
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.280
I had the same experience as you with series one because in

1000
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.980
Australia series one was released except for 2 shorter season and

1001
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:38.820
home soil.

1002
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.099
It was released on home video.

1003
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:42.300
Home soil.

1004
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:42.840
I did this.

1005
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.059
Bags of mostly water.

1006
00:40:45.539 --> 00:40:49.440
And it was released only for rental.

1007
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:55.800
So I cycled around all of the neighbouring suburbs to, because I

1008
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.960
was like in university by the time it sort of comes out.

1009
00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:58.739
To get this?

1010
00:40:58.739 --> 00:40:59.880
Yeah, to get this.

1011
00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:06.840
And I remember they released like Qhu and maybe it was Measure of

1012
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:07.139
a Man.

1013
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.860
It was suddenly it was like, oh, holy crap, this does get good

1014
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.579
eventually.

1015
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.300
But I was sort of fascinated by this and I, you know, I'm a sucker

1016
00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:18.900
for shows about people on spaceships doing things, like that sort

1017
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:19.679
of awesome.

1018
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.159
You say that you were paying, you know, exorbitant amounts for box

1019
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:23.699
sets.

1020
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.420
Oh, yeah.

1021
00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:30.840
Well, eventually when they came out on DVD in sort of box sets

1022
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.139
they were like $350 for a season or whatever.

1023
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.579
Australian dollars.

1024
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.780
They were super expensive.

1025
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.159
I think the most insulting thing about justices, which is really

1026
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.639
really bad, is I don't think it's the worst episode of series

1027
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:45.119
one.

1028
00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:45.900
No.

1029
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.820
No, but the sex thing.

1030
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.420
I think it's just a weird sex thing is so horrible and

1031
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:51.900
uncomfortable.

1032
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.059
And everybody...

1033
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:56.400
Who is watching this along with us?

1034
00:41:56.460 --> 00:42:00.300
Please, please take a good look at the woman behind Ravan, who

1035
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:03.539
never gets a line of dialogue, but expresses more emotion than

1036
00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:04.380
anyone else.

1037
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.500
She's only expressing emotion because someone's been a bit too

1038
00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:11.820
enthusiastic with the eyebrow tweezers and so she's in a permanent

1039
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:12.480
state of surprise.

1040
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:13.679
She looks short.

1041
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.639
And now that you could just see her eyes.

1042
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:21.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah Her enormous wig relax.

1043
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:24.659
There's a lot of tit shots here.

1044
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:25.619
Yeah, yeah.

1045
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:26.699
But yucky.

1046
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.599
Yucky.

1047
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:30.360
This is where I was talking about where they were trying to get

1048
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.099
everyone in shock because everyone's got a line.

1049
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.599
Yeah. putting all the regulars in one shot and then all the Edo

1050
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:37.619
people in another.

1051
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.980
So here we're getting a sort of background and this is a very sort

1052
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:42.900
of standard Star Trek thing, isn't it?

1053
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.039
Before we were terribly evil and, you know, society was very

1054
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.420
disordered and stuff and we introduced this stupid law and now

1055
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.300
everyone kind of behaves themselves.

1056
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.739
And this is the one too, where Picard says, here it is, capital

1057
00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:01.739
punishment in our world is no longer considered a justifiable

1058
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:02.519
deterrent.

1059
00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:05.760
And that's a political position that's controversial in America

1060
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.940
and they've just absolutely landed on the kind of left side of

1061
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:09.179
it.

1062
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.420
But they bring it up. where they don't explore it.

1063
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.159
They lift the rock.

1064
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:14.699
Yeah.

1065
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:16.019
And then they put the rock back there.

1066
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:20.039
Like it doesn't end up being about capital punishment being unjust

1067
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:20.460
at all.

1068
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.139
Later on, they would do that.

1069
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:23.099
Yeah, yeah.

1070
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.559
No, yeah, we got 45 minutes, not particularly.

1071
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:27.719
No, but they would absolutely do that.

1072
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.179
Yeah, so here the rule, what's the problem?

1073
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:36.539
The problem is that their law is too, um, it's too simplistic.

1074
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.139
Like it's just a blanket rule that applies.

1075
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.340
And like, that doesn't, it standing against a law that's too

1076
00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:47.940
simplistic or too blunt, doesn't seem like a particularly brave

1077
00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:50.400
political stance to be taking.

1078
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:51.719
It kind of like what's the point of that?

1079
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:54.780
He does all, but give him the finger when he beams away.

1080
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.099
Like, well, we're going.

1081
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.480
No, no, no.

1082
00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.719
I think that it's worth saying that this is a grossly unjust

1083
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.280
system and because the guy starts getting all pissy. say, well

1084
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:05.639
what the fuck?

1085
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:06.300
Did you come here then?

1086
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:07.800
Well, but we didn't know.

1087
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:09.300
We gave you a list of rules.

1088
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.460
We're just here for the fucking.

1089
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.059
And so, like you said, Tasha R should have been executed.

1090
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:15.960
Yeah, that's right.

1091
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:19.380
I mean, you know, one scene we watched in Code of Honour, she

1092
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:20.400
tossed the security.

1093
00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.280
Lutan security man across the cargo bank.

1094
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.559
She was responsible for that episode as well.

1095
00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:32.219
But here... like, yeah, he God, this is super interesting.

1096
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.840
And again, like they don't, they're not brave enough.

1097
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:42.239
Like, they're brave enough to depict a god who is arbitrary in the

1098
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.820
way that he enforces laws.

1099
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.500
So there's a, there's a way of sort of thinking about ethics that

1100
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.559
some people who believe in God do, which is that God defines

1101
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:53.760
what's right and wrong.

1102
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:58.500
And so what's right is what God commands and what's wrong is what

1103
00:44:58.500 --> 00:44:59.579
God forbids.

1104
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.539
Now that's not a tenable system of ethics and Plato knows that

1105
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:04.559
right from the.

1106
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.940
It's usually made up by a butcher.

1107
00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:08.099
Well, because A god is made up.

1108
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.860
Yeah, but also because why do we have to, you know, if it's all

1109
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:17.099
that's happening is a particular person's telling us to do it, then

1110
00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.079
why does that person tell us to do it?

1111
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:26.760
Like, you know, in what sense does just some being's commands, how

1112
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.079
can that constitute being good?

1113
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.300
What if I said, well, I'm going to ignore that commander just try

1114
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:31.079
and do what's right?

1115
00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:31.980
You know?

1116
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.400
And so, so, or if the commands are something that we would

1117
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:36.239
consider?

1118
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.139
Yeah, unjust.

1119
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.099
That's right.

1120
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.019
And that's what's happening here. you know?

1121
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.300
And this god isn't...

1122
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:45.360
Yeah, they're depicted of being so pure, aren't they?

1123
00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:48.300
They're sort of virginal when they're... beautiful.

1124
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.940
Well, no, and all of the rooting and stuff.

1125
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.099
Remember we get that at the very beginning, don't we?

1126
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.440
We get a Geordie saying they seem weirdly puritanical in some

1127
00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:58.739
ways.

1128
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:01.440
Well, they've given us the heads up then.

1129
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1130
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.460
I do, but I do also think as well. sort of the last sort of couple

1131
00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:09.179
of minutes of you discussing that is, you know, vastly more

1132
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:12.179
intelligent than what we're actually watching on the screen.

1133
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.780
So, but this god doesn't seem to command, does he?

1134
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:21.000
But he does punish people we think for not obeying their own

1135
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.719
rules.

1136
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:24.840
Oh, how do they, what does God get out of that?

1137
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:26.820
don't know. moving the markers.

1138
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.760
Yeah, but remember the, remember the thing that they're worried

1139
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.719
about is that because they're breaking the prime directive, which

1140
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.139
you said, is super ill defined and makes no sense in this

1141
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:37.679
context.

1142
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:41.400
Um, you know, if they're a pretty warp civilisation, why are we

1143
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:41.880
even there?

1144
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.360
When we explore that idea later on as well.

1145
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:47.460
That is who watches the watches, isn't it?

1146
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.519
And but that engages with everything you're saying.

1147
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.380
Yeah, you know, the Picard, bring him back Picard from the dead.

1148
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.039
It's so great.

1149
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:00.179
It's the idea that these people... this scene where Rivan is

1150
00:47:00.179 --> 00:47:01.980
brought into orbit to look at our planet.

1151
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:03.539
It happens in who watches the watches.

1152
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.559
So she thinks she's sharing all been with God, which is Captain

1153
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.280
Picard.

1154
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:12.480
And then when someone's on their deathbed, she's like, save him

1155
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:17.039
you know, after, we think Picard has gotten through to her to say

1156
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:18.539
look, we're just another civilisation.

1157
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.280
It's so clever.

1158
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:21.780
I think you better this.

1159
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.199
Well, and that's an astounding episode actually.

1160
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:26.159
It's in series 3.

1161
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.920
Do you remember Patrick Stewart's Angry Rant in that?

1162
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:32.940
He's like, yeah, you want me to send them back to the, the Times

1163
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:33.840
of the Stone Age?

1164
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.739
No, you know.

1165
00:47:34.739 --> 00:47:36.179
That's what's so great about it.

1166
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:41.940
The cultural contamination that they reek is they invent

1167
00:47:41.940 --> 00:47:42.900
religion.

1168
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.699
Suddenly religion is back and that's an absolute disaster that

1169
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:50.219
they need. behaving in violent ways, aren't they?

1170
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to kill right?

1171
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:53.280
No, they're going to kill Picard.

1172
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.179
Yeah, no, with the arrow.

1173
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:55.320
They do shoot him, don't they?

1174
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:58.619
And he bleeds and that makes them...

1175
00:47:58.619 --> 00:47:59.159
He's just a person.

1176
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.880
Whereas this, wow.

1177
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:05.579
I mean, they just beam away with Wesley.

1178
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:10.559
Oh, I did like this with the Edo godship coming back towards

1179
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.300
that's a headbutt the enterprise.

1180
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:13.199
Oh, no, here's the line.

1181
00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:14.460
Yes, do that, but hurry.

1182
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.840
I don't, we were talking there, but we didn't notice Gate McFans

1183
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.059
are marvellous acting in the background there.

1184
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.260
They're going down the corridor.

1185
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.840
She's looking concerned because she's been told about Wesley.

1186
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:26.940
But honestly, she looks like such a fucking robot.

1187
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.059
Well, it's so, I mean, it's just unactable, I think.

1188
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.420
You know, they have the camera on her so much and she's in the

1189
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:36.239
background not doing anything and she's supposed to look

1190
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.300
overwrought about her son's in bed.

1191
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:40.920
What is she to do?

1192
00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:43.800
She's in the background of this scene in a minute between Picard

1193
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.199
and Data and she just has to look more concerned.

1194
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:46.800
Yeah, yeah.

1195
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.780
But without a line of diet right at the end.

1196
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:49.559
Yeah.

1197
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:50.639
Oh it's terrible.

1198
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:56.519
And because we can't do anything where she actually takes the law

1199
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.500
into her own hands or anything like that.

1200
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.059
She just has to kind of impotently fume and look kind of anxious

1201
00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:05.820
and I will quote the lines of course.

1202
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.019
Oh, no, no, they're coming.

1203
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.260
But my least favourite is your favourite of that scene.

1204
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.000
Oh no, I think it's wonderful.

1205
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:15.659
I think it's absolutely, that's actually her best acting because

1206
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:19.800
it's a reaction that makes sense that a real human being would do

1207
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.340
where she just goes, shut up and then storms off.

1208
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.079
But she does it as Gates McFadden.

1209
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.179
So it's more like, shut up.

1210
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.199
No, no, I think it's angry American woman. absolutely buy it.

1211
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:35.219
I've seen something like that in the real house.

1212
00:49:35.219 --> 00:49:37.860
It's awesome, but here, look where she's just kind of...

1213
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:41.579
Swallowing. is in Sick Bay here.

1214
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1215
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:44.880
That's a strange feel grammar there, isn't it?

1216
00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:45.360
Yeah, yeah.

1217
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:50.099
Oh, so data, data got brain sucked by the Edo or something.

1218
00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:54.360
And like data is fun, but you said to me last night, there's a

1219
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.019
sequence in a minute where he's like apologising for babbling, and

1220
00:49:58.019 --> 00:50:02.579
then he starts talking about the Edo Godship, and at the end of it

1221
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:03.840
you went, that was so boring.

1222
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.179
What the hell were they talking about?

1223
00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:10.320
I said, well, they just needed to fill 5 minutes before the

1224
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:10.920
climax.

1225
00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:11.639
Yeah.

1226
00:50:11.699 --> 00:50:14.760
So yeah, isn't this scene or is it another one?

1227
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:15.599
Because all of this.

1228
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.659
It's another one in Data's quarters or because...

1229
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.980
Oh, that's where he goes to apologise.

1230
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.500
Because Beverly's not there then, so we're not distracted by her

1231
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:23.219
in the background.

1232
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.460
But I mean, all of this stuff is stuff that we know if we're

1233
00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:29.400
paying even the slightest bit of attention to the episode.

1234
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:33.360
But the thing that reminds me so much of the original series in

1235
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:38.219
this is the bit where he says to Beverly, you know, I promise you

1236
00:50:38.219 --> 00:50:40.440
Beverly, I will not let your son die.

1237
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:43.079
And she goes, oh, thank you, Jean-Luc.

1238
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.139
And then there's a violin going, in the background.

1239
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.639
I'm like, oh really?

1240
00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:49.679
And they're not even in the 80s was TV.

1241
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.219
That's terrible.

1242
00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.579
The Don't Babble is rude, isn't it?

1243
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.820
But they, they like, they're in Lonely Among Us.

1244
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.579
Do you remember where he says, um, ah, it's a bit like Sherlock

1245
00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:01.199
Holmes and then Data's obsessed.

1246
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:05.280
He's got a pipe in a sense and suddenly dressing up in his in his

1247
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:05.579
costume.

1248
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.739
Do you remember the beard in schizoid man?

1249
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.539
Oh, you can be a lot of fun.

1250
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.900
In fact, I think they have some fun with daydream series one.

1251
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.179
He's the one character they actually mixing up a bit.

1252
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.239
Well, I think, I mean, I can understand why people warm to data

1253
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:26.099
straight away even here. you know, because he's super calm and he

1254
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:30.119
you know, like he doesn't seem to be rancorous or annoyed by being

1255
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.800
told that he babbles or whatever.

1256
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:35.099
Mark was distracted, wasn't he, in a scene where he's like, oh my

1257
00:51:35.099 --> 00:51:36.539
god, he's got red eye because of his contacts.

1258
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.420
Yeah, you can tell he's really, he's always really irritating.

1259
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.219
I think they're bad in series one.

1260
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.260
It might take him while to get used to they get better contact

1261
00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:43.920
places.

1262
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:47.099
I love that scene in that last episode of the car series one, but

1263
00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:48.599
his face has filled out so much.

1264
00:51:48.659 --> 00:51:49.980
Now.

1265
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.199
It's like, there wasn't a lie about that. was there?

1266
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:53.639
No way. suddenly so.

1267
00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

1268
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.460
Oh, we're getting up to it now.

1269
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.199
Gasement's building up.

1270
00:51:58.260 --> 00:51:58.739
Yeah.

1271
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:02.400
Because at one point she just goes, ah.

1272
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.940
Oh, so look at that.

1273
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.679
It's so poor thing.

1274
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:09.719
What has happened?

1275
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.679
And she goes, the eater want to execute my son.

1276
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.980
I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

1277
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:20.159
Dana's response is great.

1278
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:21.719
The emotion of motherhood.

1279
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:23.460
And then he just goes, shut up.

1280
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.079
It storms off.

1281
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:25.920
She's so great.

1282
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:28.079
I think that's absolutely the right.

1283
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:30.719
That is the worst actor I've ever seen.

1284
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.980
No, I love that.

1285
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.920
The storming off is her best acting of the episode.

1286
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.019
Like, she does.

1287
00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:40.559
I mean, by, you know, five, 6, and 7, she loosens up a lot.

1288
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:41.099
Yeah, yeah.

1289
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.280
I mean, her best bit in series one is where they're going to Dixon

1290
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.739
Hill and the man gets killed and she's going, woo-hoo.

1291
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.860
She doesn't realise the safety's wrong. doesn't she swallow gum?

1292
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.659
Yeah, she's a gum.

1293
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.619
She's swallowed.

1294
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.059
Her best scene ever.

1295
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:55.860
I've maintained day to day.

1296
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.579
This dancing scene.

1297
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:57.000
Yeah.

1298
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.260
Because she's a tart.

1299
00:52:58.320 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah, yeah.

1300
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.599
But she's teaching it as well.

1301
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.820
It's wonderful Oh, this is insane.

1302
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.559
Listen to the dog.

1303
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:05.760
Oh, it's so boring.

1304
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.079
What the hell is that?

1305
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:09.119
And it doesn't inform the climax.

1306
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:10.320
So it is pointless.

1307
00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:10.860
Yeah.

1308
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.639
Because, you know, the decision he has to make is, well, I was

1309
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:15.719
just like, go, fuck yourselves.

1310
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:18.900
Yeah, there's just nothing here.

1311
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:22.139
This scene is just, you know, using up running time.

1312
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.179
I don't know, what do we learn from this?

1313
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:28.860
I mean, it's early enough.

1314
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.860
Does it tell us something about the relationship between Riker and

1315
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:36.480
not Rai, I say.

1316
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.280
Picard between Picard and Data.

1317
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:41.099
I mean, he apologises to him, but yeah.

1318
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.400
Yeah, but all of this is just rehashing the stuff from the

1319
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.659
previous scene in Sick Bay.

1320
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.139
Yeah, he's saying that the Ito God has learned of the prime

1321
00:53:49.139 --> 00:53:49.739
directive.

1322
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:50.219
Yeah.

1323
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:51.420
So him.

1324
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.320
So I'm guessing he read those rules better than Tashi R read.

1325
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:57.059
The rules of the Edo world.

1326
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.519
Oh, the Crusher boy.

1327
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:00.480
Yeah, I know.

1328
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:05.159
Well, again, I said today, he keeps calling him Riker instead of

1329
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:05.880
command eyes.

1330
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:09.059
Well, they don't settle down on any of that stuff, do they?

1331
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:14.820
Deanna calls William will write a bill at one point in a series

1332
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:15.539
one episode.

1333
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.099
I don't know, Haven or something.

1334
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:18.000
Yeah.

1335
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:23.940
Oh, I can't always see him back in Picard.

1336
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.000
Yeah, they were so good in Nepenthe.

1337
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:28.019
Word though.

1338
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:28.800
They were just tremendous.

1339
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:32.280
It was like, I mean, that was it was basically Marina Circus and

1340
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.039
Jonathan Frakes hanging out with...

1341
00:54:35.099 --> 00:54:36.239
They're all 3 of them are great.

1342
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:36.960
It was wonderful.

1343
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:38.039
Why did I do this all along?

1344
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:39.300
Yeah, yeah, it's from series one.

1345
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.400
Imagine where we become the Benthe, you know?

1346
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:43.980
Well, again, the thing with the Penthe.

1347
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:48.599
The thing with Nepenthe is that they've had, you know, just ages

1348
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.539
to kind of get to know one another and stuff and so it just seems

1349
00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:55.260
like a reunion for people who work together for, you know, 8 to 10

1350
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:57.840
years and we love those characters.

1351
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:59.880
Yeah, just love those scenes.

1352
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:04.800
We are talking about Picard now because the sequence is so boring

1353
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.079
and nothing. adding anything to the drama at all.

1354
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:10.500
Perhaps the Edo or a child race by comparison.

1355
00:55:10.619 --> 00:55:11.280
What does that even mean?

1356
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:12.780
No, none of their dialogues.

1357
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:13.320
Yeah, yeah.

1358
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.860
I think I think maybe if you're a four-year-old.

1359
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.300
This might seem a little complex, but beyond that, oh, here she

1360
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:21.719
comes again.

1361
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:23.699
Well, in fact, there's a bit of stuff here where they're

1362
00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:26.760
theorising about who the Edo are and how they got here, but

1363
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:28.260
they're not going to answer that.

1364
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.920
I don't even notice, but as Beverly Frusher came in, a woman

1365
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:33.179
walked past the door.

1366
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:38.159
Honestly, she's just waiting that entire scene. to suggest that

1367
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:39.840
the enterprises are full of people.

1368
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:40.260
Yeah.

1369
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.059
I don't do that very often, do they?

1370
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.679
We were shocked in yesterday's enterprise.

1371
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.559
Well, yeah, no, there's like 5 times the number of extras.

1372
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.079
It's like a bad, but they have a line about that, don't they?

1373
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:51.659
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1374
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1375
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.659
Again we're talking about another episode.

1376
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.239
Because this scene is still going on.

1377
00:55:57.300 --> 00:55:58.619
So what are we doing?

1378
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.420
We're gonna go down to the planet now.

1379
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.099
Try and, you know, reason with the Edo and Edo God.

1380
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.380
Meanwhile, you please stop showing that.

1381
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.579
Yeah, Riker's looking at the painting of trees.

1382
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:16.500
Everybody sits down this evening, man.

1383
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.059
It genuinely looks like a nappy.

1384
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.960
Yeah, yeah.

1385
00:56:19.019 --> 00:56:19.800
No, it's awful.

1386
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:23.820
There's a bit of trivia about the harp that's played at one

1387
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:24.119
point.

1388
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:27.780
I'll add this now because I feel like we've just run out of things

1389
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.460
they believe it may be the harp from what episode is it called?

1390
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.039
The hippie episode of Way to Eden.

1391
00:56:35.099 --> 00:56:36.360
Yeah, of TOS.

1392
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.260
I mean, even this, you shared the arbit with God.

1393
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.300
You must be guards.

1394
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.900
Yeah, no, we not gods, but we are the people who are going to just

1395
00:56:45.900 --> 00:56:51.900
tell you to fuck off. while we take our...

1396
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:56.219
You know how the British Empire are headed out into the world and

1397
00:56:56.219 --> 00:57:00.420
civilised, ruined stuff, other places.

1398
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.079
Well, um, you don't think, okay, I know they're not going for that

1399
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.840
here with the enterprise, but it does sort of end up that way in

1400
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:11.400
Series one. and they put a British actor in there, just to make

1401
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.699
the imperialism cell, where it feels like it sometimes, doesn't

1402
00:57:14.699 --> 00:57:14.820
it?

1403
00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:16.079
America's imperialist as well.

1404
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:17.639
American can do that.

1405
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:20.159
And French, he's French as well.

1406
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.239
They do it too.

1407
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.639
Is anyone immune?

1408
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.820
What's happening now?

1409
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.159
Yeah, so this, do you know what I mean?

1410
00:57:29.219 --> 00:57:33.480
They're sort of saying don't violate our law.

1411
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.460
Do they fear reprisals?

1412
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:39.000
Well, no, they just think that they're being disrespected.

1413
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:42.780
You know, that their law is important to them and they see it as a

1414
00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:43.139
thing.

1415
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:44.280
It's fucking open.

1416
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:46.079
Talk about disrespect, you know?

1417
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.239
But it's so hard to care.

1418
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:51.599
You know, because their legal system is so stupid.

1419
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:54.659
The thing is what, the difference between this and who watches the

1420
00:57:54.659 --> 00:57:57.840
watches is we get very close to those guest characters from that

1421
00:57:57.840 --> 00:57:58.079
story.

1422
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.380
And there's a family in there as well that you can sort of feel

1423
00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:05.519
for by the end of it, the daughter's begging the father, you know

1424
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:06.119
don't kill him.

1425
00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:06.719
Yeah.

1426
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.900
And so there's actual drama. character drama.

1427
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.820
Isn't it funny?

1428
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.760
I had never sort of drawn a parallel between justice and who

1429
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.579
watches the watches, but they are really quite similar, aren't

1430
00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:17.760
they?

1431
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.659
Maybe me, Michael Piller watched this and went, oh, God, awful

1432
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:22.860
episode. do it again.

1433
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:23.880
Do it properly.

1434
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:27.599
Yeah, we've got so many episodes to feel.

1435
00:58:27.659 --> 00:58:30.059
We can do that, you know, 26 again.

1436
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:30.420
Yeah.

1437
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:32.820
Oh, no.

1438
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.860
You're not involved in this decision, boy.

1439
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:37.619
I'm sorry, sir, but it seems like I am.

1440
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.920
I mean nobody could get that line out well.

1441
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:44.639
I think I may have done it a little bit better than Will Wheaton

1442
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:45.900
there, but...

1443
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.559
Look, his dick might be coming out of its tucking...

1444
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.579
That's what you've got to grab older, isn't it?

1445
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.500
There's so little of substance.

1446
00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:56.940
Yeah.

1447
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.980
What of justice to Wesley?

1448
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1449
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.920
Does Wesley do much in the next 4 seasons?

1450
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:08.639
Yeah, he saves the ship in...

1451
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.179
A couple of times.

1452
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:09.539
Yeah.

1453
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:10.920
Wow.

1454
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:11.639
Oh okay.

1455
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.820
They all step back now, so they're all in shot.

1456
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.679
Well, no, they be off.

1457
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:19.199
They're all standing so they all turned up in the right place on

1458
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.800
the transporter on the transporter pad, but then they, yeah, then

1459
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:23.159
they could.

1460
00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:25.500
Although, yeah, I will say in their defence, they may have

1461
00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:28.199
perfected that, you know, like, well, we know we're going to

1462
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:28.440
last.

1463
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:28.980
Yeah, yeah.

1464
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:30.179
You need to be in a certain position.

1465
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.880
But I think I could see the markings on the floor.

1466
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.000
Oh, the camera.

1467
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.500
We get a high angle shot.

1468
00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:39.059
Because he's talking to God.

1469
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.619
So now he's talking to God.

1470
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.039
He talks to God for just like about 30 seconds.

1471
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:46.800
It's the most dumb point.

1472
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:50.460
There could be no justice while laws themselves are absolute.

1473
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.460
Even life itself is an exercise and exception.

1474
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:57.119
And then Reich has been reading his fucking desk calendar with

1475
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.139
that line.

1476
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.079
You know, when has justice ever been the question of following a

1477
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:01.739
rule book?

1478
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:02.940
And that's it.

1479
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.280
God's persuaded.

1480
01:00:05.340 --> 01:00:07.980
Ooh, you say hello, ship going.

1481
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:09.480
Ah, good point.

1482
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:10.739
I never thought of that.

1483
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.300
That's it, we're done.

1484
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:16.619
Zap off, doesn't he?

1485
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.099
He goes, oh, I would have liked to have studied that edo ship a

1486
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:20.579
bit more.

1487
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.699
But anyway, off to Pacifica now, off somewhere else.

1488
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.460
Yeah, I was off to Pacifica or coming from Pacific.

1489
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.539
I can't make it, you know.

1490
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:28.320
There's always something.

1491
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:31.920
Admiral Cache of nose and she goes, right, I'm going to get a

1492
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:32.280
touch now.

1493
01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:33.000
Give him a mission.

1494
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.500
They'll enjoy Pacifica too much.

1495
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:35.460
Send them somewhere.

1496
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.320
No, she loves torturing Picard.

1497
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.119
I think that's what she did.

1498
01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:41.940
Only joy in life, the JF.

1499
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:44.639
How can I get Jean-Loup today?

1500
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:46.739
Maybe it spurned her at one point.

1501
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.280
I'm hoping Nashay is still alive and as she turns up in an episode

1502
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:51.539
of Prodigy.

1503
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.880
No, no, but she's in series 3 of Picard.

1504
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:55.079
Oh, God.

1505
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:56.159
That'd be great.

1506
01:00:56.219 --> 01:01:00.000
You thought that admiral who told him to fuck off or whatever in

1507
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:00.420
series.

1508
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.920
What was bad, bad.

1509
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.900
She's allowed to swear on Picard.

1510
01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:09.659
I wanted to say this for you for a long time, Jean-Luc.

1511
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:10.500
You're a cunt.

1512
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:17.880
Oh, everyone's positioned perfectly here on the bridge.

1513
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:18.719
I can see that.

1514
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.219
It's weird shot, though.

1515
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.119
Very weird shot.

1516
01:01:21.179 --> 01:01:23.519
Off we go. other adventures.

1517
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:25.019
What was next again?

1518
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:25.980
I don't know.

1519
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:27.239
I think it was the battle.

1520
01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:28.980
Yeah, I think it was.

1521
01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:30.780
We moved on to the battle.

1522
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:31.800
In fact, it's about to do that now.

1523
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:35.519
So good when Patrick Stewart was asked in Serial 7.

1524
01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:38.639
Are there any, you know, plot threads?

1525
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:39.900
We've got no ideas.

1526
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.900
We've given data a long lost mother.

1527
01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:45.480
We're out of family.

1528
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.599
Like, we've done the magical brick on the holodeck.

1529
01:01:48.659 --> 01:01:49.980
Like, is there anything you want to do?

1530
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.619
He's like, yeah, who were Damon Bock in series one?

1531
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:53.460
That was great.

1532
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:54.119
The battle.

1533
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:57.360
Actually, this episode is directed by Rob Bowman.

1534
01:01:57.659 --> 01:01:59.880
Right, and that's some good things with the lighting.

1535
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:02.940
There's a sequence later on where he's on the Bridge of the

1536
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:03.719
Stargazer.

1537
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:05.159
We're talking about another.

1538
01:02:05.219 --> 01:02:05.820
Yeah, sorry.

1539
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:07.139
Well, it's better than justice.

1540
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.380
Um, and all the ghosts of the old office.

1541
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:11.519
Yeah, that's right.

1542
01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:15.059
Oh, I think he's, he thinks he's on, he thinks he's in the battle

1543
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:16.320
like the, yeah, yeah.

1544
01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:19.260
It's actually, I think it is probably the best episode in series

1545
01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:19.800
one.

1546
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:20.519
It is pretty good.

1547
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:21.599
And he's acting as well.

1548
01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:22.860
He's actually acting.

1549
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.079
But going back to justice for a second.

1550
01:02:25.139 --> 01:02:27.420
Well, what else is that to say?

1551
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:28.860
No, that's it. over.

1552
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.539
I think it's over.

1553
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:38.699
Well, I'm glad that I um, I did make the uh, 10,000 mile journey

1554
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:40.139
to watch Justice with you.

1555
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.679
That was awesome.

1556
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:43.320
I'll say this for justice, yeah.

1557
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:47.099
The fact that that is the 1st piece of television that you and I

1558
01:02:47.099 --> 01:02:51.780
ever watch together in person means is unforgettable.

1559
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:52.380
That's it.

1560
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.019
It'll always have a place an hour.

1561
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.579
We'll always have justice.

1562
01:03:02.699 --> 01:03:06.719
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1563
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.139
pick what we're going to watch next time.

1564
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.559
We'll be doing it remotely, but we'll still try and have fun.

1565
01:03:13.619 --> 01:03:16.380
And it's my turn on the randomiser.

1566
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:20.940
And so I've decided that we are going to do some live action

1567
01:03:20.940 --> 01:03:23.039
Kurtzman track.

1568
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:24.059
Exciting.

1569
01:03:24.059 --> 01:03:25.260
Because we've done a...

1570
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.179
This is my sort of mystery era.

1571
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:27.659
Yeah.

1572
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:29.699
It's potluck where I've actually seen the episode or not.

1573
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:30.599
Well, that's right.

1574
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:33.179
And when I roll it on the randomiser, I won't recognise it from

1575
01:03:33.179 --> 01:03:35.519
the title because they don't have onscreen titles.

1576
01:03:35.579 --> 01:03:38.460
The weird thing about, you know, new ones coming out, is it?

1577
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:39.300
You just don't have the knowledge.

1578
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.059
The old ones, I could probably name the writers and the

1579
01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:42.780
directors.

1580
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.500
Yeah, exactly.

1581
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.500
I mean, I think I probably, when does justice come out?

1582
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:51.840
It's like 30 something years ago, 35 years ago and we saw it at

1583
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:53.880
the time and, you know, like remember much.

1584
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:55.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1585
01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:56.699
So this is all kind of new.

1586
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:57.719
All right.

1587
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:59.099
Okay, I'm going to press the button.

1588
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:04.260
Siwis Parkem Parabellum, series one, episode eight.

1589
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.360
It means if you want peace, prepare war.

1590
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:08.219
Which series is it?

1591
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.300
Oh, Discovery Series one?

1592
01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:13.019
We have done the late Discovery Series one, you know.

1593
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.000
We did the alternative universe one, didn't we?

1594
01:04:15.059 --> 01:04:16.739
Yeah, so this is before then.

1595
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.639
I think there was a break in the middle of series one of

1596
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:21.239
discovery.

1597
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.760
And I think this is the episode before the mid-season break.

1598
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.380
Now, I could be wrong.

1599
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.159
The break might be different, but this is them going to a planet

1600
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.760
and it might be the 1st time we go down to a planet on an away

1601
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.460
mission in discovery in quite this way.

1602
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:43.380
And so it's Ash, Saru, and Michael going down to a planet and the

1603
01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:46.739
planet starts to affect Saru and he gets sort of super scary and

1604
01:04:46.739 --> 01:04:47.099
stuff.

1605
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:52.739
Um, we've done one episode of Discovery series one and it was a

1606
01:04:52.739 --> 01:04:54.000
mirror episode one.

1607
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:56.519
No, we did the time loop episode as well.

1608
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:59.699
Oh, we did too. episode of Discovery Zero as well.

1609
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:00.480
What do you think?

1610
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.340
I think you should press it again.

1611
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.119
It's not a bad thing.

1612
01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:03.659
We're together.

1613
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:04.739
You got to press it a few times.

1614
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.599
Yeah, that's right. be wasted opportunity.

1615
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:09.900
I'm half tempted to just press it myself.

1616
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.099
Okay, go on, go on.

1617
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:11.400
Okay.

1618
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:13.079
The only time I get to do this.

1619
01:05:13.139 --> 01:05:14.699
The Olivia Kingdom.

1620
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.679
Strangely wild?

1621
01:05:16.739 --> 01:05:17.159
Yes.

1622
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:19.920
You haven't seen that, and we're going to watch the rest of

1623
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:20.940
Strange New Worlds.

1624
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.139
It's um, it, yes, I think it is really, really good.

1625
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:29.519
It's very odd and it's very original trek.

1626
01:05:29.579 --> 01:05:31.739
It's very odd. like original Shrek.

1627
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.739
And Laan is absolutely hilarious.

1628
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:37.079
I love her so much.

1629
01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:41.159
It is a very strange episode and I can imagine it being a divisive

1630
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.519
one, but it does the sort of thing that original Trek does and

1631
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.699
that Star Trek does a little bit like, you know, Cupid or

1632
01:05:47.699 --> 01:05:48.239
something like that.

1633
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.059
Oh, so it's like a quirky comedy.

1634
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.300
Yes, but it has a real proper.

1635
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:58.739
It resolves one of the long-running plot arcs in series one

1636
01:05:58.739 --> 01:06:04.619
involving Dr. Mabenga, and it's really, really properly moving in

1637
01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:04.980
a way.

1638
01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:07.559
I really like I should definitely do that.

1639
01:06:07.619 --> 01:06:08.519
Do you know what?

1640
01:06:08.579 --> 01:06:09.119
All right.

1641
01:06:09.179 --> 01:06:10.739
I was a bit uncertain, wasn't I?

1642
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.380
When we watched Impala for Strangely World, it was about Laon.

1643
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.780
I've seen, what, 5 or 6 now?

1644
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:16.739
She's my favourite.

1645
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.639
The episode where her and number one were doing the Enterprise

1646
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.340
bingo. to try and prove they were hip.

1647
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.420
Yeah, they could have fun.

1648
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.219
That was some of the funniest comedy, I've seen Star Trek, for

1649
01:06:29.219 --> 01:06:30.420
donkeys. honestly.

1650
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.019
She's magnificent in this, and you'll know why when you see it

1651
01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:37.500
because they absolutely adore one aspect of what she does, but

1652
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.159
she's hilarious.

1653
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:40.920
What is the Elysian kingdom in reference to?

1654
01:06:40.980 --> 01:06:47.159
So the Elysian Kingdom is a storybook. that Dr. Ma Benge is

1655
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:50.699
reading his daughter, and you remember his daughter is terminally

1656
01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:54.059
ill, and he's keeping her transporter patent in the patent buffer

1657
01:06:54.059 --> 01:06:58.500
to keep her alive, and then he materialises and he reads her this

1658
01:06:58.500 --> 01:07:01.619
story, the Elysian kingdom by Benny Russell.

1659
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:05.699
And, um...

1660
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:06.179
Yeah, yeah.

1661
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.360
I'm not gonna tell you how that relates to the story as a whole

1662
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.619
but that's what it's based on.

1663
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.960
Oh, I can't wait.

1664
01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:13.739
It's going to be good.

1665
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:14.519
Let's do it.

1666
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.980
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1667
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:29.880
and Nathan Bottomley. where online at untitled Star Trek project

1668
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.039
com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and

1669
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:32.820
YouTube channel.

1670
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.659
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1671
01:07:36.659 --> 01:07:38.400
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1672
01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:42.840
This episode was recorded on the 6th of February 2023 and released

1673
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:43.860
on the 10th of February.

1674
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.400
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Strange New Worlds, the

1675
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:48.300
Elysian Kingdom.

1676
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:11.639
Man, I can't believe we want to talk about that for an hour.

1677
01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:12.420
Oh my god.

1678
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.500
Oh, yeah, I can see you doing it.

1679
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:20.340
Oh, that's sucking.

1680
01:08:20.340 --> 01:08:21.060
What are we?

1681
01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:27.359
Oh my, it's my topic.

1682
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:27.899
I'm hungry.

1683
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:34.439
So I'm in my pyjamas.

1684
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.119
And I'm in a dressing gown.

1685
01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:36.539
Yeah.

1686
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:39.659
But I frequently am, you know, these things.

1687
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:40.979
Yeah, I know.

1688
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.199
At least wearing pants.

1689
01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:44.880
God knows what I'm wearing in the other ones.

1690
01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:46.680
So we've done this.

1691
01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:50.760
That's Demons, the visitor.

1692
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:51.840
Oh, God.

1693
01:08:52.859 --> 01:08:55.079
There's 2 wanking his horn.

1694
01:08:55.140 --> 01:09:00.899
Notice that there's 2 episodes on this 10 10 episodes per...

1695
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:01.560
I think it's 10.

1696
01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:03.420
No, maybe it's...

1697
01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:09.479
Maybe it's, yeah, but 2 of them have, uh, product, uh, lower

1698
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:10.079
decks.

1699
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.560
I think we have to do a Kurtzman track.

1700
01:09:13.619 --> 01:09:15.659
Because we've only done lower decks.

1701
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.380
Oh yeah, there he is.

1702
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.539
Yeah, that's not max and that's not Alban, is it?

1703
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.159
No, who is that?

1704
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:27.180
Okay, let's do a live action, Kurtzman.

1705
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:30.600
Even weirder, you know, is not just going back from the battle to

1706
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:32.039
that episode in series 7.

1707
01:09:32.100 --> 01:09:36.180
Yes, those 2 Ferengi in Menage a Trois, who then turn up in

1708
01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:38.220
Voyager, in Series 3.

1709
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:39.899
It's the same 2 actors.

1710
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.439
Yeah, it's just, they're going from the Bazan wormhole and then

1711
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:44.279
they're all...

1712
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.439
Okay.

1713
01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:48.659
I mean, I hate that episode.

1714
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:50.699
I just know you're gonna love it when we watch it.

1715
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:51.539
Discovery.

1716
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.859
Oh, we're doing Kurtz.

1717
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:54.300
Okay.

1718
01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:57.300
Oh, you want to take the 1st 3 away?

1719
01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:58.380
We just do strange new worlds.

1720
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.779
No, you just keep doing.

1721
01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:03.359
Because there's only 10 Strange New Worlds episodes.

1722
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:04.859
And we've done 2 of them.

1723
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:05.399
Oh, okay.

1724
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:07.319
Oh, yeah, we have some time.

1725
01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:11.579
Okay. those odds will be another 15 years before we get to do

1726
01:10:11.579 --> 01:10:11.939
another one.

1727
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:12.960
Okay.

1728
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.267
All right, it's the end of the episode.