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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this is a very special episode indeed, isn't it?

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And I want you to tell the people at home why.

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It was a very special episode for several reasons.

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Yeah.

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One is it is a special in itself because it's justice.

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It's amazingly good.

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The other reason is because you travel 10,000 miles across the world to watch this slice of Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, the moment I roll justice, I booked a file.

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There was no intention of you doing that beforehand.

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No, because...

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We have got to watch this man's legs being oiled up together.

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So we did watch this together last night, which is the 1st time that we've not the 1st time we've watched Star Trek together, but the 1st time we've ever watched it together in the same room, in person.

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So that's been pretty great.

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As I said before, I'm taking a bit of a break.

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This will be the only episode that we release while I'm away, but we didn't want to forego the opportunity of releasing an untitled Star Trek episode that we recorded in person together.

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The experience of watching Star Trek with you, especially an episode of this quality.

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I always figured, you know, you laugh more at TV than I did.

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And may I say you laughed an awful lot.

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We were also watching it with Mark, who didn't laugh all that much. occasionally punctuated the episode with, oh, God.

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And I feel like that's a pretty solid description of the episode as a whole.

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So this is kind of a famously terrible episode.

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And in fact, last episode when we watched the least dangerous game.

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We mentioned that it refers pretty explicitly to justice.

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Remember, they go to the planet where instead of shaking hands, they kiss hello with tongues.

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Yes, and they were all sort of tanned skinned.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're white skim pickle students. obsessed with health.

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Yeah, and it's been mentioned before, I think, on lower decks too.

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Like, I think probably the Wesley crashing into a flower bed and stuff has been...

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I think Lloydex would be the only Star Trek series brave enough to reference it.

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It'd be great if they did it again.

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I think if, you know, if Strange New Worlds went back to the Edo planet, that would be pretty something.

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Well, they become this tyrannical order.

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There's still a load of sex involved.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation is obviously not the sort of show that it ends up being.

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And one of the things that series one has is that it's really horny in a way that is really unsexy and unattractive.

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Gene Robin Berry is casting his eye over these scripts and going, I'm sorry, these aren't sexy enough.

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Can we please have some scenes of dry humping in the background?

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Oh, that bit, the bit.

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I mean, we'll get there.

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But where the camera pans across the room and there's this chase kissing and legs being waxed and oh, gosh.

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It's proper like fully clothed rooting, but they're not, you know, wearing all that march.

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And the costumes are just horrific.

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And it, because it's like 1987.

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You have a thing about this poor chap in this episode.

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Oh my gosh, Jimmy.

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The nappy that he has to wear.

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Yeah, so I've put him on the website and he's really upsettingly tugged.

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He's got Deanna level comel toe.

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I know, just very much there, you know.

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Oh, it's really, really not very attractive.

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And, you know, nowadays, if you had to get undressed on American television.

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You know, if you had body fat of more than about, you know, 2.5%.

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No, that's it.

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You'd be whole...

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We said that about Shatler in the original series.

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Yeah, he was walking around looking very impressive, you know, with his thumb out.

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Yeah, that just wouldn't happen.

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No, would it?

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Picard was buff as hell.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was climbing the raft.

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Exactly right.

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But these people are not that.

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Although there are one or 2 exceptions who will probably mention it as we'd go through. sort of hairy twink in there, you know?

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I think he may be 12, so I better... one of the children that Wesley gets sent off to play with is a very hairy child played by a 25-year-old, I think, probably.

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I recognised the bit where Wesley Crusher sort of going, oh, there are some games I don't actually play yet, where Mark was just going, oh, please make this end, you know?

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Well, again, it's super kind of horny, but it is still American TV.

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So the idea that a 15 year old would have sex is impossible to, you know, countenance.

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There's horny and then there's, there's like sleazy.

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It's really, and then they're sexy.

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Discovery is sexy.

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Yeah.

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You know, you've got... book.

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Yeah, yeah. and Michael.

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That is a hot couple.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, even the two, the gay couple.

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Yeah.

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Super hot.

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But this is not hot.

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This is absolutely an aphrodisiac.

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It is, yeah.

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I'm also going to make a statement, a bold statement about an acting choice in this episode.

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Because I think... going to be thrilled again.

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I am.

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I think this contains one of the worst from any regular in Star Trek.

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And actually, people, you know, point at Maurice Hurley and saying, how dare they get rid of Gatesman fan, you know, Dr. Bibley Crusher.

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I mean, he could have just watched this episode and said, cut her out.

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Yeah, but she's more of a robot than data.

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Yeah, I think part of the problem, though, is that it's a role that's kind of impossible to play. you know, and with the line she's got.

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Oh, they're dreadful and she's got to kind of play someone whose son is going to be executed or might be going to be executed and no one's doing anything about it.

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And there are all sorts of scenes.

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Like there's one scene in particular that we'll mention where she's just standing there. waiting for everyone else talks. and it's kind of like, what is she to do?

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Like, what is she to do?

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In fact, I noticed with this, there was a couple of scenes and we've talked about blocking in 90s track.

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I think it does get better.

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Like getting better.

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Yeah, they go along.

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But at this point, they're like, they're literally lining up all the regulars in one shot and they've all got a line rather than doing cuts.

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No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's it's a miserable piece of work.

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But I want to say as well, like this, by all accounts, was the 2nd script to be commissioned after Encounter of PowerPoint.

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So they're on a great run here, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They're simple.

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And then there's this.

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This is, I mean, you don't even need a brain to watch this, you know?

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Like there's an attempt.

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I mean, the episode's called justice and we do have that sort of thing at the end where we say, you know, justice can't be real if laws aren't absolute or, you know, like a, it's just stupid.

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It's not an argument.

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It's not like, it's not examining the idea of the justice system. basically just saying, well, there's an exception to every rule.

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We're off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think, though, you know, the one thing that it does do in an American context, which is reasonably brave, where, you know, for a little while, capital punishment was illegal in the United States, because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and then it was found not to be unconstitutional.

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And so America executes more people than any other sort of civilised country, civilised western country, you know, like, um, you're suggesting the Americans are civilised now.

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Well, yeah, there's that.

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There's a veneer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, there's a lot of execution takes place in the United States in a way that just doesn't happen in European countries or in my country or anything like that.

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So they very, very clearly state that in the future, we will have decided that that's not a fair deterrent.

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You know, that it comes out anti-capital punishment, but it's not an anti-capital punishment episode, really, because the moral dilemma is about, do we make the exception?

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And then there's this weird problem with the prime directive where I don't know what it is.

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You know, if they're allowed to go down there and interact with people.

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Well, technically, if they are going to obey the prime directive. have to let him die.

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Well, I don't know.

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What is the prime directive?

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That's the moral complexity of this, isn't it?

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Is that they're not supposed to interfere with the laws of a planet.

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I think that states.

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No, it's like pre-warp civilisation, is it?

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Yeah, this is, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But why how can they be down there then having sure leave?

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That's, I mean, yeah, yeah.

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I don't even question that.

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No, that's right.

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So the pro nobody's thinking at this point.

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No, that's right.

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So the prime directive is something super vague and super ridiculous.

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And I guess, like the Prime Break is important because they don't want the job of Star Trek to be cultural imperialism.

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Right.

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But it comes off that way.

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Series one.

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Several times.

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Yeah, the drug episode where they're like, well, we're taking that. and so, ta-rah. good luck.

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No, but we know that that turns out all right, remember, because of...

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Only because Alex... gives a shit about those.

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So it was 30 years where they were worrying about that planet.

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That's right.

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You know, Picard didn't care.

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Certainly the comedown is pretty rough for them, but then they're fine. sort of went away from the bridge and said, I'll be in my comfortable quarters now.

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Yeah, forgetting about those people.

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But it is, like, the very fact that it is him falling in some flowers, playing a game of ball, where the conclusion is just the most trite homily.

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And then they just beam out arrogantly.

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I was just like, what the fuck was that about?

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Like, I think too, that there is a kind of sort of moral relativism that they want to do and kind of fair enough.

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They get better at.

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Yeah, yeah, this society is fucked. you know what I mean?

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Like they just sort of randomly kill people for doing trivial things.

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And like no one says at any point.

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Actually...

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You guys are fucked and we're not going along with this sea.

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Like, I think that would have been a reasonable...

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Immediately, they're just like, well, Wesley's are fucking in trouble. like, let's find him.

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Oh, and poor Wesley. like Will Wheaton eventually kind of is quite good and he's great before this in standby me.

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But this material...

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Yeah, yeah.

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But this material is so dreadful.

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He really struggles to land it.

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And a bit where she's like, I don't understand.

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You're accustomed towards love. and he's like, oh, yeah.

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I guess whatever you normally do.

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But he was so naturalistic in stand by me.

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Like, he made me cry several times in that, you know?

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Yeah, he's really properly good.

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And he does get better as well.

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Yeah, but this material is so terrible that he struggles.

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And of course, he's fighting an uphill battle because nerds hate other nerds and so...

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Yeah, that's right.

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Because we hate ourselves.

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Exactly.

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So I'm going to pour one out for Will Wheaton in this episode he's given a really, really tough job to do and he does it very badly, but I'm prepared to say it's not his fault.

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This was filmed 8th because of the location work.

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This is the 1st episode to get location work after the pilot.

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So they couldn't film it immediately.

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Originally it was supposed to go out second.

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So, you know, the naked now wouldn't have been off.

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Yeah, yeah, which is a bad choice.

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Amazing sophomore episode of the acceleration.

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If you will indulge me as ever, in person now, I would like to read to you a small synopsis, because John D.F. Black, who his name is on this script, his original version of this story is very different.

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It sounds just as dreadful.

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I have just added the sex and really toned down like they've made it a lot simpler than it was.

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So, it goes as this.

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Yeah, the colony of little good grief, how do you say that?

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Laroff installed punishment for all backwards.

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It's double L. Yeah, so it's for all backwards, isn't it?

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Oh, good grief.

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I thought there was a Welsh.

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Yeah, Welsh planet.

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Lulala.

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Well, they installed punishment zones to fight anarchy.

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However, the zones are now enforced to abide the law, but for only those who are deemed not immune to them.

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As the Enterprise D security officer, Officer Tenson, whatever that might be, um, protecting 2 children while on shore leave, happens upon a crime scene and is shot dead by the policeman.

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I mean, already this sounds a beautiful...

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Yeah, does sound pretty good.

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Um, who is also killed by his partner.

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Oh, how do you say that?

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Or tap.

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OTAP on the spot for misinterpreting his duty.

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In his 1st draft, Picard decides not to help the rebels, led by Renig, as a space name.

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Yeah, who fight against this system of council member Treebore.

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Robert backwards. and also the name of a mint.

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Finally, it turns out the rebels install a similarly totalitarian regime when they gain power, but in the 2nd draft, a rebel leader called Renig.

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Terrible name. is put on trial and executed for treason.

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I mean, it sounds a little bit more serious than what we get.

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This is super simple.

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It is just the crew of the Enterprise, you know, fall foul of an unjust law and have to decide what to do about it.

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The one element that I did kind of like, and I only kind of like it is God.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so God is like a weird spaceship and he's up there.

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Well, they call it it, which I think works really well in the dialogue.

227
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So God, it is up there enforcing these moral principles and things.

228
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And they don't phasing in and out.

229
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Yeah, yeah.

230
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Which is a bit weird and I think data says at one point that it's in several places at once. things like that.

231
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So it's sort of omnipotent.

232
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Yeah.

233
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And it looks weird as well.

234
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That's what I like.

235
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We've been watching the HD version with the better special effects.

236
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The Edo still looked reasonably good originally, I think. people watching this at the time and being sort of knocked out by the by the spaceship.

237
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The last thing I want to talk about, though, before we go in, because now 15 minutes, like preamble.

238
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Well, we knew we would say a lot in Boston. is how stilted all the performances were in this.

239
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Like, this is a crew that has not jailed yet.

240
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It's not Voyager.

241
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I think they knocked it out of the park.

242
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And DS9 took a little while, but there was the access was so strong that when they were given the decent material series one, they were amazingly good.

243
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But nobody seems very sorry of what they're doing here, especially Patrick Stewart.

244
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Yeah, Patrick Stewart is, he gives a bad performance, I think.

245
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But it's also a bit shocking.

246
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You know, I've said before that I think LaVar Burton is amazingly good in Star Trek, the Next Generation, and doesn't get credit for being as good as he actually is.

247
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And here he's really wooden as well.

248
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And so everyone is kind of terrible.

249
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No one quite knows what to do.

250
00:16:06.779 --> 00:16:09.480
And it does take a while for them to chill out.

251
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And I think maybe even the 1st couple of years there's an awkwardness to everyone's performance.

252
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I don't, well, I don't think anybody thinks that this and can you blame them after reading this script, it's going to be a success. no that's right.

253
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Patrick Stewart, you know, as we've said many times, still has another...

254
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Using a suitcase as it's still, you know, like, oh, well, I'll get the check and rub.

255
00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:34.440
Yeah, I'll be back doing BBC Shakespeare.

256
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Yeah, any day now.

257
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Oh, bless them.

258
00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:38.279
Well, I should.

259
00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:39.840
I think we should.

260
00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:40.620
Yeah we should.

261
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So I'm going to count as eaten.

262
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Five, four, three, two, one, and wear off.

263
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Okay, so this is a beautiful new planet, because the planet was just a big kind of ball of polycyren that they would project patterns onto and have the have the model fly pass.

264
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Is that a new effect then?

265
00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:03.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

266
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That last look really tasty.

267
00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:09.779
No, because the planets never look like planets with sort of continents and cloud and stuff on them.

268
00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:10.859
They just couldn't afford it.

269
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Did you just see that shot then looking up at Picard with the star ceiling?

270
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Yeah, it's quite nice, you know?

271
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Well, that's the other thing too.

272
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They haven't really properly developed the house style at this point.

273
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So you see things that you would never normally see.

274
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And the music, which is a little overbearing at times, but I'll take that over the wallpaper from season 4 onwards.

275
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But I mean, look at this shot.

276
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There's a lot of lot more shadows.

277
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It's much less evenly lit than later episodes and there's more dark in the frame.

278
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I remember a couple of scenes later on.

279
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I was like, is there light from a window coming in?

280
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Yeah, it's not practical lighting, but it is just a different choice that they make.

281
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And I remember thinking when I 1st saw like series 3, how incredibly filming it looked.

282
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But now when I see it, I think it's just very boring lately. especially compared to the lace trek.

283
00:18:02.819 --> 00:18:03.480
Yeah, yeah.

284
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Yeah.

285
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Yeah.

286
00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.140
So now we're discussing the Edo planet.

287
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They've been down and had a bit of sex and Geordie La Forge even says something, they make love at the drop of a hat.

288
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He's saying it now.

289
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And there's, and there's horny fucking Tasha Yanko anyhow.

290
00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:25.980
So I didn't get when we were watching last night.

291
00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.799
Mark is not a big fan of Tasha Yar, is that right?

292
00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:33.900
He seems to think that every episode he watches, she's responsible for the problem.

293
00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.039
Well, she is in this isn't she?

294
00:18:35.099 --> 00:18:43.500
Yeah, she hasn't read the briefing or hasn't kind of, you know, there's a line later where they say, oh, we knew about the laws, but we didn't know what the penalty was.

295
00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:47.400
And you kind of think, well, she's seen on the byline that they're ready to fuck.

296
00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

297
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Skim read this.

298
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I'm sure it is.

299
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I need to get down there and drop a hat.

300
00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:57.779
I've been through the enterprise through twice.

301
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Oh, look at this shot.

302
00:19:00.420 --> 00:19:03.660
From the point of view of the viewscreen of everyone in the show.

303
00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

304
00:19:04.619 --> 00:19:10.140
And we've got the lovely reclining chairs of season one and two, just so the camera can get everybody in.

305
00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.299
It just looks like everyone's having a kip.

306
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:13.200
It does.

307
00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:16.680
They look like beach lounges or whatever.

308
00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:18.960
Oh, here we go.

309
00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.240
We're talking about the theme tune yesterday, weren't we?

310
00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:24.480
I think we really discussed that too much on untitled Star Trek project.

311
00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:37.440
What we didn't discuss when we did Manhunt was these opening credits, which I actually kind of like, because the ones that appear later are just like weird shapes, like you don't really know what you're seeing.

312
00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:43.019
But the idea that we started Earth and then head off into the distance, I think, is actually pretty good.

313
00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:49.619
I don't like it, though, in season 5 when they do the Star Trek, the Next Generation, with sort of trails of fire.

314
00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:51.000
I mean, coming off it.

315
00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:52.980
I mean, it jazzes up a bit.

316
00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:54.779
Yeah, yeah, no, that's musical.

317
00:19:54.779 --> 00:20:01.019
But now you've said it and you keep doing this to me, is you point things out and then I can't unsee them.

318
00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:09.240
It spoils every time I watch it, but I now can see those shots from encounter a far point throughout the entire run.

319
00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:10.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

320
00:20:10.259 --> 00:20:11.940
I'm like, I don't think there's an original shot.

321
00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:20.819
They do get a smaller model that's more detailed around about halfway through the show's runner a little bit earlier.

322
00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:26.099
And so you can tell the difference between, I guess, it's the 6 foot model and the 5 foot model and it does look different.

323
00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:35.160
And in fact, I think it's the original model that has, you know, like slightly coloured things, like in the close-up.

324
00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:37.380
You can see little coloured squares on there.

325
00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.359
Well, I know, it's this time, didn't I?

326
00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:40.980
And on the top. you could see people.

327
00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:42.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

328
00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:45.660
Yeah, here in this shot, yeah. which I have never seen before.

329
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.220
That's the observation lounge.

330
00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.720
I swear that's a new effect.

331
00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:50.160
No, no, I don't think it is.

332
00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:52.920
I've watched these 100s of times.

333
00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:55.980
I refuse to believe there's a new detail to catch.

334
00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:01.380
Although, you know, the bit where the enterprise just zooms. as everyone's name appears.

335
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.119
Yeah, it's very funny, isn't it?

336
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:05.220
Well, that's what happens in the original, though.

337
00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:05.940
That's true.

338
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.319
Oh, here we go.

339
00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:08.220
So here we go.

340
00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:11.160
So we're outside, which is refreshing.

341
00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.059
Oh yeah.

342
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:14.579
Oh, look at those 2 kissing in front of the waterwork.

343
00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.240
Stop it.

344
00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.839
So, and it is a great location, I think.

345
00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:20.700
I double check.

346
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:24.299
It is the same location where they film Starvly Headquarters.

347
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:24.900
Okay.

348
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.940
So this is where Boothby does his garden.

349
00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:27.720
Oh, of course.

350
00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:30.779
And so it's beautifully lush, like very green lawns.

351
00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:31.680
I'm sure they're fake.

352
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.480
Oh, now he's our guy.

353
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.279
Beautiful park they go into later.

354
00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:37.619
When Wes is playing ball.

355
00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:38.160
Yeah.

356
00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:39.660
No, you know what?

357
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.299
I'm going to be critical of this, but I didn't mind this so much.

358
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:47.099
I did like Troy, who's a bit chased when the guy tries to give her a hug.

359
00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:48.660
Yeah.

360
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.539
Yeah, she sort of thinks it's, oh, yuck.

361
00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.059
And look at her.

362
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:58.019
No, she's virtually rolling her eyes and they cut away from her as the guy.

363
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.000
She's having a bit of father.

364
00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:00.420
Yeah, yeah.

365
00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:01.920
That wig on Rivan.

366
00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:03.660
Oh, that's terrible.

367
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:05.759
I can see her dark hair underneath.

368
00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:12.539
And something happens to it during transport and it looks completely different on in the studio.

369
00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:16.619
Yeah, actually, I, see, that reaction from, from Marina.

370
00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:18.180
She sort taps him, doesn't she?

371
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.359
Yeah, she pets him on the shoulder as if she's...

372
00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:23.339
Tash is straight in.

373
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:27.900
What do you, whatever, man came up to me on an away mission, started nibbling on my neck.

374
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:29.099
I'll be like what are you doing?

375
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:30.599
Well, it depends on the man.

376
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:33.960
But if that, man, I would be punching him in the face.

377
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.480
He's horrible.

378
00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:40.559
Oh, I love what she says to wharf, I welcome this huge one.

379
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:41.220
A huge one.

380
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.079
That's because she's already been down once.

381
00:22:43.140 --> 00:22:45.420
Yeah, she knows he's well endowed.

382
00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.759
Well, they virtually say that later.

383
00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:53.579
I have to restrain myself. are too fragile.

384
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.160
I mean, they'd never have that dialogue in later suit.

385
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:56.759
No, they do.

386
00:22:56.819 --> 00:22:57.480
Do they?

387
00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:58.680
Yeah, yeah.

388
00:22:58.740 --> 00:22:59.640
Oh, with Gynon.

389
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:00.539
Kind of the war.

390
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.799
The very 1st episode that we watched on Untitled Star Trek Project.

391
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:06.180
Yeah, he says.

392
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.880
I would need a human female for companionship.

393
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:15.720
Oh, she gives Wesley a sort of more matronly hard.

394
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:20.160
Why if you're going down to this gorgeous sunny planet, would you wear that big woolly jumper?

395
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:23.400
Yeah, yeah. casual clothes are not good.

396
00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:25.980
I mean, okay, you and I are Doctor Who fans.

397
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.599
We have seen some pretty terrible costuming overall. you know, shower curtains and...

398
00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

399
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.259
Why this must be some of the worst costumes I've ever seen.

400
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:35.039
They dreadful.

401
00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.859
It's not just like aesthetically.

402
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.359
It doesn't flatter anybody.

403
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.380
No, no.

404
00:23:40.380 --> 00:23:42.359
And particularly not this guy.

405
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:52.980
And that's the other thing that I thought about this planet is, because it's the 1980s and all of these people are white and blonde.

406
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.980
It's like a fucking clan rally.

407
00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:59.220
I put on, didn't I?

408
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:04.319
The 1st scene of Code of Honour after this, because we were trying to compare whether this...

409
00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:05.579
Which one is more racist?

410
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:13.619
And I think you came down on justice. didn't you I think justice is super racist because, you know, these people, Yeah, Code of Honour is shockingly bad.

411
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.740
I mean, it has actual black people in it that it can make fun of.

412
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:17.819
It's super terrible.

413
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:23.099
But like this, I just think this is yucky.

414
00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:28.500
And and he is dreadful, that lead guy, because everyone's got blonded hair.

415
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.259
Do you remember everyone blonded their hair in the 80s?

416
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:32.700
So even the people who aren't blonde.

417
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:34.440
And crimson, just like Rivan.

418
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:35.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

419
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.400
I'm like a crimpy, like, and it's the worst look she ever had.

420
00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:38.940
I'm telling you.

421
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.220
And this guy, too, has to do a lot of running.

422
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.240
We've decided ill advisedly that there's an old woman there.

423
00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:47.160
Well this is beyond shit.

424
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.960
They were all just running around being happy.

425
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:49.859
Yeah.

426
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:55.559
But I, are they running sort of their tits and bits and pieces flop up and down?

427
00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:56.940
you know what I think this is.

428
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:07.920
I think this is a poor man's version of the original. looking back and they're going, this is what we think it was like with people with, you know, scantily clad running around in the sun.

429
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.240
Yeah, yeah, you know.

430
00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:10.440
It wasn't like this.

431
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.819
We've done the original series.

432
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.460
There's the sort of 25-year-old hairy child.

433
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.680
I wouldn't say no to me.

434
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.359
The other one looks about tense.

435
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.279
Yeah, yeah, and his skinny arms and stuff.

436
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.380
And that poor, that lovely looking girl.

437
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:22.980
Yeah.

438
00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.319
She's so sad though.

439
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.059
No, wealth.

440
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:28.680
Okay, now we're in the studio.

441
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:33.420
And there are people doing, oh, Jesus, like what?

442
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:34.980
It's sort of an interpretive dog.

443
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.759
Yeah, yeah.

444
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:37.140
Yeah, everyone's blonde.

445
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.180
These people drinking champagne.

446
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.859
He's grabbed her tits.

447
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:41.880
Yeah, yeah.

448
00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:43.380
Now, they do it.

449
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:48.480
I don't know, but it's this, that one looks like Kath from Kath and Kidd over there.

450
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:52.859
This is the least sensual massage you can imagine.

451
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.359
This woman absolutely hates this guy.

452
00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:00.180
Look at that guy. his dick.

453
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.259
Look at him.

454
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.220
He doesn't have a dick.

455
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:03.960
We're like, no, he's got camel toe.

456
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:05.099
It's all sort of tucked up.

457
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:06.839
It's really gross.

458
00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:07.799
It's weird.

459
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.279
It sort of exposes the belly button, but hides the chest.

460
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:12.660
It's such a weird costume.

461
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.660
Well, remember the belly button fetish that the people had in the least dangerous game?

462
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:20.700
That's exactly what they're talking about.

463
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:21.779
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

464
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:29.819
Yeah, because remember that Rutherford and Billips got in trouble for going into their sacred temple without exposing their button. brilliant.

465
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.420
The god, which is what, part computer, part baby.

466
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:36.059
Psychic baby.

467
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:37.859
A volcano as well.

468
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:47.039
And I did notice as well last night when we were watching this, when you go from the location work, back to the Enterprise, sort of how dreary the light is.

469
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah.

470
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.400
Well, I mean, it's...

471
00:26:50.400 --> 00:27:01.319
Like, I think that shooting a science fiction show on location is difficult because you have to find particular locations and you have to kind of create the world.

472
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:10.920
And eventually, I think it becomes possible because people are better at CGCGI and so you can, you know, erase things and stuff in post-production.

473
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.339
Well, they still do location work, are they in Kursman Trade?

474
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:14.880
Yeah, yeah.

475
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:15.539
Well, they do well.

476
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

477
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.839
Well, you're the one we watched where they were in an American, wouldn't it?

478
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:19.559
Contemporary America.

479
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:20.579
And it's amazing.

480
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.579
Oh, and the one in trill, you know, like the one...

481
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:25.440
Oh, no, that's...

482
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.819
That was in a park like that.

483
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:27.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

484
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:36.359
And that's so much better because I've said before that 90s trek has the production values of a daytime soap opera because they never go outside.

485
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:40.799
I believe I just saw Joe Carey there from Star Trek Voyager.

486
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:44.279
Yeah, so he's backup Geordie guy.

487
00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:47.039
So when Geordie's not sitting in the chair.

488
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.019
So in this scene, for instance.

489
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:50.700
Geordie's not sitting in the chair.

490
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.579
So that's where Joe Carey sort of turns off.

491
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.079
It's such a weird character.

492
00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:59.160
It turns out he's got quite a pivotal role in series one of Voyager.

493
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.200
And then he vanishes halfway through series 2.

494
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.880
And then he turns up in series five?

495
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:06.420
No, seven, seven, and then they kill him. and they murder him.

496
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:06.960
Yeah, yeah.

497
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.099
We haven't seen him for 6 years.

498
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:09.660
Yeah, that is weird.

499
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.920
Did you see, just that?

500
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.839
There was a shot and I did mention this to you last night.

501
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.480
Um, where Jordan La Forge is going into a room and the camera can't follow him into the room.

502
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:19.380
So they've taken out the wall.

503
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:23.640
And just the camera's gone past, through the wall, from the exterior to the internet.

504
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.259
Now they would never do that later on.

505
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:25.740
No.

506
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:26.519
But I like that.

507
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.240
I do too.

508
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:27.900
Yeah.

509
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.700
Oh, do you know what?

510
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:36.900
I was watching Mark when this bit was going on and the ball was coming out of the Edo ship and heading into the Enterprise and he was looking quite interested at this.

511
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.819
He's getting into this now.

512
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.619
Yeah, I confess something to you.

513
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.220
What's that?

514
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.720
He said to me before bed last night.

515
00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:47.460
I think we should watch all of series one of Star of the First Generation.

516
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.500
So justice won him over.

517
00:28:52.140 --> 00:29:01.980
But it may just be like rubbernecking in a car crash. don't you think Like it's just like, well, that's why we watch reality TV most of the time, isn't it?

518
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.019
Where, I mean, the only thing to watch you.

519
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.960
Are there good episodes in series one, the battle's okay?

520
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:08.819
The battle, I like conspiracy.

521
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.619
Yeah, it's very gross at the end.

522
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:12.660
I think that might be it.

523
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.859
It might be it.

524
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.240
I think, and seriously.

525
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:16.259
But the worst is very funny.

526
00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:19.319
Some of it, like the Arsenal freedom and things like that.

527
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.180
Yeah, very funny.

528
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:26.099
Oh, that one with a fellow gets older and older, too short a season's face just gets bigger and bigger.

529
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.119
Oh, yeah.

530
00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:29.400
Oh, right, when the Edo got talks.

531
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:33.299
Not only, they've gone down the, you know, it's got a distinct British act.

532
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.839
No, no, he's an American, but he's got that American...

533
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:37.259
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:38.640
Mysterious voice.

535
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.000
Yeah, he sounds like, like, um, Baylock.

536
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:43.920
His voice is so dramatic.

537
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:46.559
Yeah, that shakes the ship.

538
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:49.500
That's great But again, he's God.

539
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.579
And so, of course, God, you know, when God speaks the earth shakes.

540
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:56.700
Oh, it's a lazy man's version of God, though.

541
00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:06.720
No, but I actually think that that's because, you know, like America is less and less religious every day, but it's still much more religious than Britain or Australia.

542
00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:17.400
And so having God as a kind of problem, you know, God and God's role is protecting the Edo, but it's also making sure that everyone follows them.

543
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.359
No, that's okay.

544
00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:20.400
I don't want to hear any of that.

545
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.859
I know it's going to be an agonising backstory.

546
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.420
Yeah, it just feels a bit...

547
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:42.839
No, no, it's just, well, because I think in a way, it's that sort of Star Trek thing where this society doesn't work on its own terms, and it merely exists to serve the kind of political point that they want to make, except they're too cowardly and kind of inept to make a proper political point.

548
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:45.299
And so having God who's a spaceship.

549
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:53.279
So God is real and he's a force that not only makes the Edo obey the law, but also should make them obey the law.

550
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:55.920
They must have done that in the original series, surely.

551
00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:58.740
Like a technological God.

552
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.420
Yeah, like Landrew.

553
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.799
Ah, yeah.

554
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.519
Do you know, there was a bit there, right?

555
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.380
Talk about simplicity.

556
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.500
So we've been at the very 1st scene of this episode.

557
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.000
They're talking about the colony.

558
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:12.660
They put it on.

559
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.519
We all need some shore leave now.

560
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.799
We found this great sex planet.

561
00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:18.839
Pre-riser, of course.

562
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:26.339
And then the ball comes out of the Edo ship and it's like, you know, why did you leave people there?

563
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.779
Because I can really confuse.

564
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.480
And Data steps up and goes, oh, the colony, sir.

565
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:32.220
The colony was just from before.

566
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:33.299
Fuck me.

567
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.319
Are these people stupid?

568
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.380
Well, it was a much needed exposition for our purposes.

569
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.380
Oh, no, Wesley Cross is doing...

570
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.160
That's his double.

571
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:43.019
It's really, really bad.

572
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.740
I think they're supposed to be backflips, but it doesn't quite...

573
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:47.519
No, we can't.

574
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.380
Oh, this is where the young lady says to me, I want to do something too, with you.

575
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:57.359
Yeah, there's something I want you to teach me. he kind of goes, I don't quite know some games.

576
00:31:57.420 --> 00:31:59.099
I mean, this was lower decks.

577
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.480
They'd be like, right, let's go.

578
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.559
Yeah, yeah.

579
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.940
Except it's original TNG.

580
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.900
Well, you see, he's teaching them baseball, like a ball. just ball.

581
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.099
But he wants a bat.

582
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.839
Like I kind of, you know, and they're going to get a stick and hit the ball.

583
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:20.220
So I wonder if he's teaching him. anything a bit more complex than that, couldn't it?

584
00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:27.000
Yeah, it's sort of dismal and there goes hairy, 25-year-old teenager.

585
00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:27.779
Oh boy.

586
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.240
Now, this is snugging each other.

587
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.980
Yeah, this is... particularly gross this scene.

588
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.420
So we in front of a painting of some... playing a game, right?

589
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.259
They're playing a game.

590
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.000
What looks like dice.

591
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.779
They put the dice behind their backs and then they all present...

592
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.980
Do you think it's a sex game?

593
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.279
It's kind of like, oh, who's going to be in them with who or what they're going to do?

594
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:49.380
Are we going to do the reverse cowgirl?

595
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.519
Were they present the dice?

596
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:51.480
They all start laughing.

597
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right Oh, you've rolled.

598
00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:55.259
She's licking her out tonight, then.

599
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.359
You've rolled dirty Sanchez.

600
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.559
Oh, and Troy.

601
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:08.160
And trying sat behind, like, she's just, they're trying to persuade her to do a FFM three.

602
00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:11.339
But it's the oldest couple with poor Troy.

603
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.599
Everyone else hanging out with these young, you know, supposed to be hot people.

604
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:21.299
Now, here is some wharf bragging about the size of his dick and I think it's ribbed.

605
00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:22.920
Wow.

606
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.019
Yeah, it's ridged for her pleasure.

607
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.779
Oh, give it a go.

608
00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:28.680
Yeah, so here we go.

609
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:30.119
Bragging, sir.

610
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:40.019
He's got weird sort of stilted dialogue here, though, as well, where he goes, you know, are females, too fragile, and he doesn't talk in actual sentences.

611
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.559
No.

612
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:49.019
I think too, in series one, like, even though Wharf's in the opening credits and stuff, they're a bit tentative about whether he was a regular or not.

613
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:54.779
Um, and same with Deanna, Deanna disappears for a bunch of episodes towards the end.

614
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.000
It's when they learn to have fun with both of them.

615
00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:57.539
Yeah.

616
00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:02.220
You know, they realise wharf's actually very, you know, I don't even kill him, you know, it's very funny.

617
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.900
Well, I am not a merry man.

618
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.119
But it's not just the funny lines.

619
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:09.960
It is also that role that I've said that when they're debating a course of action.

620
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:11.519
He's the one who says what's wrong.

621
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.519
He's the one whose opinion is almost always wrong.

622
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:16.920
And there's always been something to counter against, isn't there?

623
00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:17.280
You know?

624
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.119
Oh, I need to. need to bring up this terrible backdrop.

625
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:22.800
Oh, yeah.

626
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.599
They've done this colony set here.

627
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:29.880
And then they put some potlants just behind the actors.

628
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.659
From the production office.

629
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:33.780
Behind them, they've got a painting of more trees.

630
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.119
It is awful.

631
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:41.400
I mean, I've seen some terrible sort of, you know, studio planets in TNG series one.

632
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:44.460
But that Doctor Who would have done better than that, you know?

633
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.679
Maybe not in the 60s, but yes.

634
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:48.300
But when this was going out.

635
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:49.800
Young, yeah.

636
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.539
Well, they just go outside.

637
00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:55.440
They learned that lesson by then, yeah.

638
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:59.340
TNG, they go outside, what, 3 times a year, maybe?

639
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:05.099
Yeah, in series two, there's one scene shot on location and everything else.

640
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.280
So it's it's Picard on a horse.

641
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.239
Oh, I remember.

642
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:09.659
Yeah.

643
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:10.920
Is that it?

644
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.300
It's the only thing in series 2.

645
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.960
Yeah.

646
00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:13.619
Wow.

647
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.500
So it's very refreshing then in the survivors in series free.

648
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.340
Do you remember?

649
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:17.760
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:21.360
And that's another great location because it's like a big modern space house.

651
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:22.619
Great episode.

652
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.159
Wow.

653
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:23.579
You know?

654
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:27.780
That would have been worth coming 10,000 miles across the world to watch.

655
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:28.380
Yeah, exactly.

656
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:28.980
Exactly.

657
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.239
Oh, this is still a good reason to hop on a plane.

658
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:41.760
That's why Tasha asked. like, yeah, I did read the rules, but, you know, I learned nothing about punishment. would have gone there first.

659
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

660
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:53.159
So this is where they're explaining to them the legal system and everyone's kind of suddenly scared about Wesley and they all sort of run off.

661
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:59.880
So the equivalent is, say, in my town of Eastbourne, right now, is that, and, like, they just choose a suburb.

662
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:00.539
Yeah.

663
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.840
And if you do anything wrong in that suburb, then you're gonna be killed.

664
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:06.539
Yeah, and presumably you don't know beforehand.

665
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.460
So everyone just behaves themselves.

666
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:12.780
Yeah, yeah, because they might be in the punishment zone. that would work, you know.

667
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.539
Well, yeah, maybe, maybe.

668
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.239
I suppose if everyone was told they didn't have to go to work and they could just all have sex all day and behave yourself.

669
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:23.639
And yeah, yeah, avoid the punishment zones.

670
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:28.320
And so the punishment zones, though, apart from that seem to be clearly marked, don't they?

671
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.179
Like, you think if you're...

672
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:31.139
It's a white waller fence.

673
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:32.039
Yeah, yeah.

674
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:34.500
So it's this sort of white barrier that we're gonna see.

675
00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:35.880
Oh, this bit now.

676
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.019
No, Wes.

677
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.519
It's forbidden to disturb.

678
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.739
No way.

679
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:44.699
We ow.

680
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.400
Oh, those lovely flowers there, though, you know?

681
00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:49.440
They're really brightly coloured, aren't they?

682
00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:52.260
They're great. why I don't like cut flowers.

683
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.980
Keep them in the ground.

684
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.519
Yeah.

685
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.739
The corpses.

686
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.059
Can you just see the fences?

687
00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:57.960
It's for new plants.

688
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.840
Oh boy.

689
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.400
But I said to you last night.

690
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.639
When I 1st watched this, aged 7 years old.

691
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:07.500
Was it 87, this came out.

692
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.960
Plus, this was the most gripping drama academic.

693
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.059
I remember watching, I had this tape.

694
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.000
It was Lonely Among Us and Justice.

695
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:18.840
Lonely Among Us had Picard doing a fabulous sort of electricity.

696
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. about that, I think.

697
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.000
Follow that up with all of this sort of, well, for a seven-year-old.

698
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:24.780
This was very sexy.

699
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.019
TV doesn't get better than this.

700
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.880
Look at the ugly guy on the right with the horrible blonde highlights.

701
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:33.960
Not entirely sure.

702
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:36.000
No, that's true. are pretty horrific.

703
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:45.179
But I do think the most simplistic line hits in a minute where it pulls out is needle and Tashiago, well, it's a kind of syringe.

704
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.559
No, but what about the famous we've just missed at the I'm from Starfleet.

705
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:50.340
We don't lie.

706
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.900
Did they want us to like Wesley Crusher?

707
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:58.320
That's the sort of thing they parody in Valiant.

708
00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.219
Yeah.

709
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.320
When they're like, we're red squad and we can do anything.

710
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.639
And then they killed a lot of them.

711
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:03.239
Yeah.

712
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:09.000
Well, I mean, that was sort of a little bit hinted at in like, um, the 1st duty, wasn't it?

713
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:13.980
Where the worst Robert was in charge of some squadron.

714
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.000
That's who I thought in that.

715
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.019
Yeah, yeah, he's good in that.

716
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.300
The funny bit here is, right?

717
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.139
They about to kill him.

718
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:19.619
Yeah.

719
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.460
So there's like, you know, just accept your punishment and be killed.

720
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.940
And then when they stop him, they go, well, look, we were just going to kill him.

721
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.519
Now you've really upset him. now he's frightened.

722
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:32.639
No, no, I'd rather be frightened than dead, you know?

723
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:39.420
And yeah, the syringe line is coming up.

724
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.260
Yeah, there you go.

725
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.800
Do you imagine there was like a, like a boardroom of people.

726
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:46.079
These scripts were going around there at the time.

727
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:48.480
It wasn't, I don't think so. no, no, of course.

728
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.440
No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

729
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.239
And they're literally all just chipping in.

730
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:52.679
Oh, well, let's make it sexy.

731
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:54.480
It's throwing us a syringe.

732
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.019
So I, this is, this is, it's a kind of syringe.

733
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.460
Well done, Tasha.

734
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:05.400
I love those tiny little portable phases, which disappear from the show.

735
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.059
This season.

736
00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:07.739
Come the Arsenal of Freedom.

737
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.300
They've got these enormous phases.

738
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:09.840
Yeah.

739
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.780
But they're also weird in that they don't have like the grip, you know, the dustbusters.

740
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.780
So I like the phase of rifles they have later on.

741
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.659
Yeah, except they look like they're made out of balsa wood, though.

742
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.159
Well, you would say that, would you?

743
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.840
There's no recoil, there's no half to them, you know, they're kind of terrible.

744
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:37.320
I still cannot believe that, I think this is the only episode in series one directed by James Elconway, where he went on to direct some of the best way of the Warrior.

745
00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:43.260
You've directed Way of the Warrior, Shattered Mirror, which has some brilliant special effect sequences in it.

746
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.780
I think he did all Matt Bashir as well.

747
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.260
Right.

748
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.239
Like, this was humble beginning.

749
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

750
00:39:49.380 --> 00:40:01.619
Like, there's plenty of, you know, one of the weird things about watching series one is you look at the opening credits and the, you know, the credits over the beginning and all these production people who never appear.

751
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.059
Yeah, especially the writers.

752
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:04.800
Yeah, a lot of writers in one and two.

753
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.780
Yeah, Michael Peeler comes in and goes, right.

754
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:08.579
Getting rid of those people.

755
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.159
Well, I don't know if this guy wrote anything else.

756
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:13.440
He's got a fabulous name, but I can't remember what it is.

757
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:18.960
But what's interesting is like, obviously, enough, it really works here.

758
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:24.539
But the premise, the characters, the ship, like it's all made to work.

759
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.139
Yeah.

760
00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:27.059
So like there was a germ of something here.

761
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.980
I just didn't realise it for some time.

762
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:38.820
I had the same experience as you with series one because in Australia series one was released except for 2 shorter season and home soil.

763
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.099
It was released on home video.

764
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:42.300
Home soil.

765
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:42.840
I did this.

766
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.059
Bags of mostly water.

767
00:40:45.539 --> 00:40:49.440
And it was released only for rental.

768
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:57.960
So I cycled around all of the neighbouring suburbs to, because I was like in university by the time it sort of comes out.

769
00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:58.739
To get this?

770
00:40:58.739 --> 00:40:59.880
Yeah, to get this.

771
00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:07.139
And I remember they released like Qhu and maybe it was Measure of a Man.

772
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:11.579
It was suddenly it was like, oh, holy crap, this does get good eventually.

773
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:19.679
But I was sort of fascinated by this and I, you know, I'm a sucker for shows about people on spaceships doing things, like that sort of awesome.

774
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.699
You say that you were paying, you know, exorbitant amounts for box sets.

775
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.420
Oh, yeah.

776
00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:34.139
Well, eventually when they came out on DVD in sort of box sets, they were like $350 for a season or whatever.

777
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.579
Australian dollars.

778
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.780
They were super expensive.

779
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:45.119
I think the most insulting thing about justices, which is really, really bad, is I don't think it's the worst episode of series one.

780
00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:45.900
No.

781
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.820
No, but the sex thing.

782
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.900
I think it's just a weird sex thing is so horrible and uncomfortable.

783
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.059
And everybody...

784
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:56.400
Who is watching this along with us?

785
00:41:56.460 --> 00:42:04.380
Please, please take a good look at the woman behind Ravan, who never gets a line of dialogue, but expresses more emotion than anyone else.

786
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:12.480
She's only expressing emotion because someone's been a bit too enthusiastic with the eyebrow tweezers and so she's in a permanent state of surprise.

787
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:13.679
She looks short.

788
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.639
And now that you could just see her eyes.

789
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:21.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah Her enormous wig relax.

790
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:24.659
There's a lot of tit shots here.

791
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:25.619
Yeah, yeah.

792
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:26.699
But yucky.

793
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.599
Yucky.

794
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:32.099
This is where I was talking about where they were trying to get everyone in shock because everyone's got a line.

795
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.619
Yeah. putting all the regulars in one shot and then all the Edo people in another.

796
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.900
So here we're getting a sort of background and this is a very sort of standard Star Trek thing, isn't it?

797
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:54.300
Before we were terribly evil and, you know, society was very disordered and stuff and we introduced this stupid law and now everyone kind of behaves themselves.

798
00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:02.519
And this is the one too, where Picard says, here it is, capital punishment in our world is no longer considered a justifiable deterrent.

799
00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:09.179
And that's a political position that's controversial in America, and they've just absolutely landed on the kind of left side of it.

800
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.420
But they bring it up. where they don't explore it.

801
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.159
They lift the rock.

802
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:14.699
Yeah.

803
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:16.019
And then they put the rock back there.

804
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:20.460
Like it doesn't end up being about capital punishment being unjust at all.

805
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.139
Later on, they would do that.

806
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:23.099
Yeah, yeah.

807
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.559
No, yeah, we got 45 minutes, not particularly.

808
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:27.719
No, but they would absolutely do that.

809
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.179
Yeah, so here the rule, what's the problem?

810
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:36.539
The problem is that their law is too, um, it's too simplistic.

811
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.139
Like it's just a blanket rule that applies.

812
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:50.400
And like, that doesn't, it standing against a law that's too simplistic or too blunt, doesn't seem like a particularly brave political stance to be taking.

813
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:51.719
It kind of like what's the point of that?

814
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:54.780
He does all, but give him the finger when he beams away.

815
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.099
Like, well, we're going.

816
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.480
No, no, no.

817
00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:05.639
I think that it's worth saying that this is a grossly unjust system and because the guy starts getting all pissy. say, well, what the fuck?

818
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:06.300
Did you come here then?

819
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:07.800
Well, but we didn't know.

820
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:09.300
We gave you a list of rules.

821
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.460
We're just here for the fucking.

822
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.059
And so, like you said, Tasha R should have been executed.

823
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:15.960
Yeah, that's right.

824
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:20.400
I mean, you know, one scene we watched in Code of Honour, she tossed the security.

825
00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.280
Lutan security man across the cargo bank.

826
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.559
She was responsible for that episode as well.

827
00:44:25.619 --> 00:44:32.219
But here... like, yeah, he God, this is super interesting.

828
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.840
And again, like they don't, they're not brave enough.

829
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:44.820
Like, they're brave enough to depict a god who is arbitrary in the way that he enforces laws.

830
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:53.760
So there's a, there's a way of sort of thinking about ethics that some people who believe in God do, which is that God defines what's right and wrong.

831
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:59.579
And so what's right is what God commands and what's wrong is what God forbids.

832
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.559
Now that's not a tenable system of ethics and Plato knows that right from the.

833
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.940
It's usually made up by a butcher.

834
00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:08.099
Well, because A god is made up.

835
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:19.079
Yeah, but also because why do we have to, you know, if it's all that's happening is a particular person's telling us to do it, then why does that person tell us to do it?

836
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:28.079
Like, you know, in what sense does just some being's commands, how can that constitute being good?

837
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:31.079
What if I said, well, I'm going to ignore that commander just try and do what's right?

838
00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:31.980
You know?

839
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.239
And so, so, or if the commands are something that we would consider?

840
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.139
Yeah, unjust.

841
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.099
That's right.

842
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.019
And that's what's happening here. you know?

843
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.300
And this god isn't...

844
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:45.360
Yeah, they're depicted of being so pure, aren't they?

845
00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:48.300
They're sort of virginal when they're... beautiful.

846
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.940
Well, no, and all of the rooting and stuff.

847
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.099
Remember we get that at the very beginning, don't we?

848
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.739
We get a Geordie saying they seem weirdly puritanical in some ways.

849
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:01.440
Well, they've given us the heads up then.

850
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:02.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:12.179
I do, but I do also think as well. sort of the last sort of couple of minutes of you discussing that is, you know, vastly more intelligent than what we're actually watching on the screen.

852
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.780
So, but this god doesn't seem to command, does he?

853
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:21.719
But he does punish people we think for not obeying their own rules.

854
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:24.840
Oh, how do they, what does God get out of that?

855
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:26.820
don't know. moving the markers.

856
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:37.679
Yeah, but remember the, remember the thing that they're worried about is that because they're breaking the prime directive, which you said, is super ill defined and makes no sense in this context.

857
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:41.880
Um, you know, if they're a pretty warp civilisation, why are we even there?

858
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.360
When we explore that idea later on as well.

859
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:47.460
That is who watches the watches, isn't it?

860
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.519
And but that engages with everything you're saying.

861
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.380
Yeah, you know, the Picard, bring him back Picard from the dead.

862
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.039
It's so great.

863
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:01.980
It's the idea that these people... this scene where Rivan is brought into orbit to look at our planet.

864
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:03.539
It happens in who watches the watches.

865
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:08.280
So she thinks she's sharing all been with God, which is Captain Picard.

866
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:18.539
And then when someone's on their deathbed, she's like, save him, you know, after, we think Picard has gotten through to her to say, look, we're just another civilisation.

867
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.280
It's so clever.

868
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:21.780
I think you better this.

869
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.199
Well, and that's an astounding episode actually.

870
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:26.159
It's in series 3.

871
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.920
Do you remember Patrick Stewart's Angry Rant in that?

872
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:33.840
He's like, yeah, you want me to send them back to the, the Times of the Stone Age?

873
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.739
No, you know.

874
00:47:34.739 --> 00:47:36.179
That's what's so great about it.

875
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:42.900
The cultural contamination that they reek is they invent religion.

876
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:50.219
Suddenly religion is back and that's an absolute disaster that they need. behaving in violent ways, aren't they?

877
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to kill right?

878
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:53.280
No, they're going to kill Picard.

879
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.179
Yeah, no, with the arrow.

880
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:55.320
They do shoot him, don't they?

881
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:58.619
And he bleeds and that makes them...

882
00:47:58.619 --> 00:47:59.159
He's just a person.

883
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.880
Whereas this, wow.

884
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:05.579
I mean, they just beam away with Wesley.

885
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:12.300
Oh, I did like this with the Edo godship coming back towards that's a headbutt the enterprise.

886
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:13.199
Oh, no, here's the line.

887
00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:14.460
Yes, do that, but hurry.

888
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:21.059
I don't, we were talking there, but we didn't notice Gate McFans are marvellous acting in the background there.

889
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.260
They're going down the corridor.

890
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.840
She's looking concerned because she's been told about Wesley.

891
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:26.940
But honestly, she looks like such a fucking robot.

892
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.059
Well, it's so, I mean, it's just unactable, I think.

893
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:39.300
You know, they have the camera on her so much and she's in the background not doing anything and she's supposed to look overwrought about her son's in bed.

894
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:40.920
What is she to do?

895
00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:46.199
She's in the background of this scene in a minute between Picard and Data and she just has to look more concerned.

896
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:46.800
Yeah, yeah.

897
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.780
But without a line of diet right at the end.

898
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:49.559
Yeah.

899
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:50.639
Oh it's terrible.

900
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:58.500
And because we can't do anything where she actually takes the law into her own hands or anything like that.

901
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:05.820
She just has to kind of impotently fume and look kind of anxious and I will quote the lines of course.

902
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.019
Oh, no, no, they're coming.

903
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.260
But my least favourite is your favourite of that scene.

904
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.000
Oh no, I think it's wonderful.

905
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:23.340
I think it's absolutely, that's actually her best acting because it's a reaction that makes sense that a real human being would do where she just goes, shut up and then storms off.

906
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.079
But she does it as Gates McFadden.

907
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.179
So it's more like, shut up.

908
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.199
No, no, I think it's angry American woman. absolutely buy it.

909
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:35.219
I've seen something like that in the real house.

910
00:49:35.219 --> 00:49:37.860
It's awesome, but here, look where she's just kind of...

911
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:41.579
Swallowing. is in Sick Bay here.

912
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

913
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:44.880
That's a strange feel grammar there, isn't it?

914
00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:45.360
Yeah, yeah.

915
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:50.099
Oh, so data, data got brain sucked by the Edo or something.

916
00:49:50.340 --> 00:50:03.840
And like data is fun, but you said to me last night, there's a sequence in a minute where he's like apologising for babbling, and then he starts talking about the Edo Godship, and at the end of it, you went, that was so boring.

917
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.179
What the hell were they talking about?

918
00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:10.920
I said, well, they just needed to fill 5 minutes before the climax.

919
00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:11.639
Yeah.

920
00:50:11.699 --> 00:50:14.760
So yeah, isn't this scene or is it another one?

921
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:15.599
Because all of this.

922
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.659
It's another one in Data's quarters or because...

923
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.980
Oh, that's where he goes to apologise.

924
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.219
Because Beverly's not there then, so we're not distracted by her in the background.

925
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.400
But I mean, all of this stuff is stuff that we know if we're paying even the slightest bit of attention to the episode.

926
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:40.440
But the thing that reminds me so much of the original series in this is the bit where he says to Beverly, you know, I promise you, Beverly, I will not let your son die.

927
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:43.079
And she goes, oh, thank you, Jean-Luc.

928
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.139
And then there's a violin going, in the background.

929
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.639
I'm like, oh really?

930
00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:49.679
And they're not even in the 80s was TV.

931
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.219
That's terrible.

932
00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.579
The Don't Babble is rude, isn't it?

933
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.820
But they, they like, they're in Lonely Among Us.

934
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.199
Do you remember where he says, um, ah, it's a bit like Sherlock Holmes and then Data's obsessed.

935
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:05.579
He's got a pipe in a sense and suddenly dressing up in his in his costume.

936
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.739
Do you remember the beard in schizoid man?

937
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.539
Oh, you can be a lot of fun.

938
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.900
In fact, I think they have some fun with daydream series one.

939
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.179
He's the one character they actually mixing up a bit.

940
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:31.800
Well, I think, I mean, I can understand why people warm to data straight away even here. you know, because he's super calm and he, you know, like he doesn't seem to be rancorous or annoyed by being told that he babbles or whatever.

941
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:36.539
Mark was distracted, wasn't he, in a scene where he's like, oh my god, he's got red eye because of his contacts.

942
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.420
Yeah, you can tell he's really, he's always really irritating.

943
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.219
I think they're bad in series one.

944
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.920
It might take him while to get used to they get better contact places.

945
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:48.599
I love that scene in that last episode of the car series one, but his face has filled out so much.

946
00:51:48.659 --> 00:51:49.980
Now.

947
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.199
It's like, there wasn't a lie about that. was there?

948
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:53.639
No way. suddenly so.

949
00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.460
Oh, we're getting up to it now.

951
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.199
Gasement's building up.

952
00:51:58.260 --> 00:51:58.739
Yeah.

953
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:02.400
Because at one point she just goes, ah.

954
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.940
Oh, so look at that.

955
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.679
It's so poor thing.

956
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:09.719
What has happened?

957
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.679
And she goes, the eater want to execute my son.

958
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.980
I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

959
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:20.159
Dana's response is great.

960
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:21.719
The emotion of motherhood.

961
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:23.460
And then he just goes, shut up.

962
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.079
It storms off.

963
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:25.920
She's so great.

964
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:28.079
I think that's absolutely the right.

965
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:30.719
That is the worst actor I've ever seen.

966
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.980
No, I love that.

967
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.920
The storming off is her best acting of the episode.

968
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.019
Like, she does.

969
00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:40.559
I mean, by, you know, five, 6, and 7, she loosens up a lot.

970
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:41.099
Yeah, yeah.

971
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:46.739
I mean, her best bit in series one is where they're going to Dixon Hill and the man gets killed and she's going, woo-hoo.

972
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.860
She doesn't realise the safety's wrong. doesn't she swallow gum?

973
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:51.659
Yeah, she's a gum.

974
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.619
She's swallowed.

975
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.059
Her best scene ever.

976
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:55.860
I've maintained day to day.

977
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.579
This dancing scene.

978
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:57.000
Yeah.

979
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.260
Because she's a tart.

980
00:52:58.320 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.599
But she's teaching it as well.

982
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.820
It's wonderful Oh, this is insane.

983
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.559
Listen to the dog.

984
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:05.760
Oh, it's so boring.

985
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.079
What the hell is that?

986
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:09.119
And it doesn't inform the climax.

987
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:10.320
So it is pointless.

988
00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:10.860
Yeah.

989
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.719
Because, you know, the decision he has to make is, well, I was just like, go, fuck yourselves.

990
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:18.900
Yeah, there's just nothing here.

991
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:22.139
This scene is just, you know, using up running time.

992
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.179
I don't know, what do we learn from this?

993
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:28.860
I mean, it's early enough.

994
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:36.480
Does it tell us something about the relationship between Riker and... not Rai, I say.

995
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.280
Picard between Picard and Data.

996
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:41.099
I mean, he apologises to him, but yeah.

997
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.659
Yeah, but all of this is just rehashing the stuff from the previous scene in Sick Bay.

998
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.739
Yeah, he's saying that the Ito God has learned of the prime directive.

999
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:50.219
Yeah.

1000
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:51.420
So him.

1001
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.320
So I'm guessing he read those rules better than Tashi R read.

1002
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:57.059
The rules of the Edo world.

1003
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.519
Oh, the Crusher boy.

1004
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:00.480
Yeah, I know.

1005
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:05.880
Well, again, I said today, he keeps calling him Riker instead of command eyes.

1006
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:09.059
Well, they don't settle down on any of that stuff, do they?

1007
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:15.539
Deanna calls William will write a bill at one point in a series one episode.

1008
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.099
I don't know, Haven or something.

1009
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:18.000
Yeah.

1010
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:23.940
Oh, I can't always see him back in Picard.

1011
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.000
Yeah, they were so good in Nepenthe.

1012
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:28.019
Word though.

1013
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:28.800
They were just tremendous.

1014
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:35.039
It was like, I mean, that was it was basically Marina Circus and Jonathan Frakes hanging out with...

1015
00:54:35.099 --> 00:54:36.239
They're all 3 of them are great.

1016
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:36.960
It was wonderful.

1017
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:38.039
Why did I do this all along?

1018
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:39.300
Yeah, yeah, it's from series one.

1019
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.400
Imagine where we become the Benthe, you know?

1020
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:43.980
Well, again, the thing with the Penthe.

1021
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:57.840
The thing with Nepenthe is that they've had, you know, just ages to kind of get to know one another and stuff and so it just seems like a reunion for people who work together for, you know, 8 to 10 years and we love those characters.

1022
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:59.880
Yeah, just love those scenes.

1023
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:07.079
We are talking about Picard now because the sequence is so boring and nothing. adding anything to the drama at all.

1024
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:10.500
Perhaps the Edo or a child race by comparison.

1025
00:55:10.619 --> 00:55:11.280
What does that even mean?

1026
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:12.780
No, none of their dialogues.

1027
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:13.320
Yeah, yeah.

1028
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.860
I think I think maybe if you're a four-year-old.

1029
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.719
This might seem a little complex, but beyond that, oh, here she comes again.

1030
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:28.260
Well, in fact, there's a bit of stuff here where they're theorising about who the Edo are and how they got here, but they're not going to answer that.

1031
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:33.179
I don't even notice, but as Beverly Frusher came in, a woman walked past the door.

1032
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:39.840
Honestly, she's just waiting that entire scene. to suggest that the enterprises are full of people.

1033
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:40.260
Yeah.

1034
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.059
I don't do that very often, do they?

1035
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.679
We were shocked in yesterday's enterprise.

1036
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.559
Well, yeah, no, there's like 5 times the number of extras.

1037
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.079
It's like a bad, but they have a line about that, don't they?

1038
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:51.659
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1039
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.659
Again we're talking about another episode.

1041
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.239
Because this scene is still going on.

1042
00:55:57.300 --> 00:55:58.619
So what are we doing?

1043
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.420
We're gonna go down to the planet now.

1044
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.099
Try and, you know, reason with the Edo and Edo God.

1045
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.380
Meanwhile, you please stop showing that.

1046
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.579
Yeah, Riker's looking at the painting of trees.

1047
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:16.500
Everybody sits down this evening, man.

1048
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.059
It genuinely looks like a nappy.

1049
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.960
Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:56:19.019 --> 00:56:19.800
No, it's awful.

1051
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:24.119
There's a bit of trivia about the harp that's played at one point.

1052
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:32.460
I'll add this now because I feel like we've just run out of things. they believe it may be the harp from what episode is it called?

1053
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.039
The hippie episode of Way to Eden.

1054
00:56:35.099 --> 00:56:36.360
Yeah, of TOS.

1055
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.260
I mean, even this, you shared the arbit with God.

1056
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.300
You must be guards.

1057
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:51.900
Yeah, no, we not gods, but we are the people who are going to just tell you to fuck off. while we take our...

1058
00:56:51.960 --> 00:57:00.420
You know how the British Empire are headed out into the world and civilised, ruined stuff, other places.

1059
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:14.820
Well, um, you don't think, okay, I know they're not going for that here with the enterprise, but it does sort of end up that way in Series one. and they put a British actor in there, just to make the imperialism cell, where it feels like it sometimes, doesn't it?

1060
00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:16.079
America's imperialist as well.

1061
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:17.639
American can do that.

1062
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:20.159
And French, he's French as well.

1063
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.239
They do it too.

1064
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.639
Is anyone immune?

1065
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.820
What's happening now?

1066
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.159
Yeah, so this, do you know what I mean?

1067
00:57:29.219 --> 00:57:33.480
They're sort of saying don't violate our law.

1068
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.460
Do they fear reprisals?

1069
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:39.000
Well, no, they just think that they're being disrespected.

1070
00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:43.139
You know, that their law is important to them and they see it as a thing.

1071
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:44.280
It's fucking open.

1072
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:46.079
Talk about disrespect, you know?

1073
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.239
But it's so hard to care.

1074
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:51.599
You know, because their legal system is so stupid.

1075
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:58.079
The thing is what, the difference between this and who watches the watches is we get very close to those guest characters from that story.

1076
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:06.119
And there's a family in there as well that you can sort of feel for by the end of it, the daughter's begging the father, you know, don't kill him.

1077
00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:06.719
Yeah.

1078
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.900
And so there's actual drama. character drama.

1079
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.820
Isn't it funny?

1080
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:17.760
I had never sort of drawn a parallel between justice and who watches the watches, but they are really quite similar, aren't they?

1081
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.860
Maybe me, Michael Piller watched this and went, oh, God, awful episode. do it again.

1082
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:23.880
Do it properly.

1083
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:27.599
Yeah, we've got so many episodes to feel.

1084
00:58:27.659 --> 00:58:30.059
We can do that, you know, 26 again.

1085
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:30.420
Yeah.

1086
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:32.820
Oh, no.

1087
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.860
You're not involved in this decision, boy.

1088
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:37.619
I'm sorry, sir, but it seems like I am.

1089
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.920
I mean nobody could get that line out well.

1090
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:45.900
I think I may have done it a little bit better than Will Wheaton there, but...

1091
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.559
Look, his dick might be coming out of its tucking...

1092
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.579
That's what you've got to grab older, isn't it?

1093
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.500
There's so little of substance.

1094
00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:56.940
Yeah.

1095
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.980
What of justice to Wesley?

1096
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1097
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.920
Does Wesley do much in the next 4 seasons?

1098
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:08.639
Yeah, he saves the ship in...

1099
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.179
A couple of times.

1100
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:09.539
Yeah.

1101
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:10.920
Wow.

1102
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:11.639
Oh okay.

1103
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.820
They all step back now, so they're all in shot.

1104
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.679
Well, no, they be off.

1105
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:23.159
They're all standing so they all turned up in the right place on the transporter on the transporter pad, but then they, yeah, then they could.

1106
00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:28.440
Although, yeah, I will say in their defence, they may have perfected that, you know, like, well, we know we're going to last.

1107
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:28.980
Yeah, yeah.

1108
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:30.179
You need to be in a certain position.

1109
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.880
But I think I could see the markings on the floor.

1110
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.000
Oh, the camera.

1111
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.500
We get a high angle shot.

1112
00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:39.059
Because he's talking to God.

1113
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.619
So now he's talking to God.

1114
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.039
He talks to God for just like about 30 seconds.

1115
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:46.800
It's the most dumb point.

1116
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:50.460
There could be no justice while laws themselves are absolute.

1117
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.460
Even life itself is an exercise and exception.

1118
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.139
And then Reich has been reading his fucking desk calendar with that line.

1119
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.739
You know, when has justice ever been the question of following a rule book?

1120
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:02.940
And that's it.

1121
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.280
God's persuaded.

1122
01:00:05.340 --> 01:00:07.980
Ooh, you say hello, ship going.

1123
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:09.480
Ah, good point.

1124
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:10.739
I never thought of that.

1125
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.300
That's it, we're done.

1126
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:16.619
Zap off, doesn't he?

1127
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.579
He goes, oh, I would have liked to have studied that edo ship a bit more.

1128
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.699
But anyway, off to Pacifica now, off somewhere else.

1129
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.460
Yeah, I was off to Pacifica or coming from Pacific.

1130
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.539
I can't make it, you know.

1131
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:28.320
There's always something.

1132
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:32.280
Admiral Cache of nose and she goes, right, I'm going to get a touch now.

1133
01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:33.000
Give him a mission.

1134
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.500
They'll enjoy Pacifica too much.

1135
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:35.460
Send them somewhere.

1136
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.320
No, she loves torturing Picard.

1137
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.119
I think that's what she did.

1138
01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:41.940
Only joy in life, the JF.

1139
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:44.639
How can I get Jean-Loup today?

1140
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:46.739
Maybe it spurned her at one point.

1141
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.539
I'm hoping Nashay is still alive and as she turns up in an episode of Prodigy.

1142
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.880
No, no, but she's in series 3 of Picard.

1143
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:55.079
Oh, God.

1144
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:56.159
That'd be great.

1145
01:00:56.219 --> 01:01:00.420
You thought that admiral who told him to fuck off or whatever in series.

1146
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.920
What was bad, bad.

1147
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.900
She's allowed to swear on Picard.

1148
01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:09.659
I wanted to say this for you for a long time, Jean-Luc.

1149
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:10.500
You're a cunt.

1150
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:17.880
Oh, everyone's positioned perfectly here on the bridge.

1151
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:18.719
I can see that.

1152
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.219
It's weird shot, though.

1153
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.119
Very weird shot.

1154
01:01:21.179 --> 01:01:23.519
Off we go. other adventures.

1155
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:25.019
What was next again?

1156
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:25.980
I don't know.

1157
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:27.239
I think it was the battle.

1158
01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:28.980
Yeah, I think it was.

1159
01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:30.780
We moved on to the battle.

1160
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:31.800
In fact, it's about to do that now.

1161
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:35.519
So good when Patrick Stewart was asked in Serial 7.

1162
01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:38.639
Are there any, you know, plot threads?

1163
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:39.900
We've got no ideas.

1164
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.900
We've given data a long lost mother.

1165
01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:45.480
We're out of family.

1166
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.599
Like, we've done the magical brick on the holodeck.

1167
01:01:48.659 --> 01:01:49.980
Like, is there anything you want to do?

1168
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.619
He's like, yeah, who were Damon Bock in series one?

1169
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:53.460
That was great.

1170
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:54.119
The battle.

1171
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:57.360
Actually, this episode is directed by Rob Bowman.

1172
01:01:57.659 --> 01:01:59.880
Right, and that's some good things with the lighting.

1173
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:03.719
There's a sequence later on where he's on the Bridge of the Stargazer.

1174
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:05.159
We're talking about another.

1175
01:02:05.219 --> 01:02:05.820
Yeah, sorry.

1176
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:07.139
Well, it's better than justice.

1177
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.380
Um, and all the ghosts of the old office.

1178
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:11.519
Yeah, that's right.

1179
01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:16.320
Oh, I think he's, he thinks he's on, he thinks he's in the battle, like the, yeah, yeah.

1180
01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:19.800
It's actually, I think it is probably the best episode in series one.

1181
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:20.519
It is pretty good.

1182
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:21.599
And he's acting as well.

1183
01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:22.860
He's actually acting.

1184
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.079
But going back to justice for a second.

1185
01:02:25.139 --> 01:02:27.420
Well, what else is that to say?

1186
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:28.860
No, that's it. over.

1187
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.539
I think it's over.

1188
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:40.139
Well, I'm glad that I um, I did make the uh, 10,000 mile journey to watch Justice with you.

1189
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.679
That was awesome.

1190
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:43.320
I'll say this for justice, yeah.

1191
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:51.780
The fact that that is the 1st piece of television that you and I ever watch together in person means is unforgettable.

1192
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:52.380
That's it.

1193
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.019
It'll always have a place an hour.

1194
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.579
We'll always have justice.

1195
01:03:02.699 --> 01:03:10.139
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to pick what we're going to watch next time.

1196
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.559
We'll be doing it remotely, but we'll still try and have fun.

1197
01:03:13.619 --> 01:03:16.380
And it's my turn on the randomiser.

1198
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:23.039
And so I've decided that we are going to do some live action Kurtzman track.

1199
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:24.059
Exciting.

1200
01:03:24.059 --> 01:03:25.260
Because we've done a...

1201
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.179
This is my sort of mystery era.

1202
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:27.659
Yeah.

1203
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:29.699
It's potluck where I've actually seen the episode or not.

1204
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:30.599
Well, that's right.

1205
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:35.519
And when I roll it on the randomiser, I won't recognise it from the title because they don't have onscreen titles.

1206
01:03:35.579 --> 01:03:38.460
The weird thing about, you know, new ones coming out, is it?

1207
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:39.300
You just don't have the knowledge.

1208
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.780
The old ones, I could probably name the writers and the directors.

1209
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.500
Yeah, exactly.

1210
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.500
I mean, I think I probably, when does justice come out?

1211
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:53.880
It's like 30 something years ago, 35 years ago and we saw it at the time and, you know, like remember much.

1212
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:55.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1213
01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:56.699
So this is all kind of new.

1214
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:57.719
All right.

1215
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:59.099
Okay, I'm going to press the button.

1216
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:04.260
Siwis Parkem Parabellum, series one, episode eight.

1217
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.360
It means if you want peace, prepare war.

1218
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:08.219
Which series is it?

1219
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.300
Oh, Discovery Series one?

1220
01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:13.019
We have done the late Discovery Series one, you know.

1221
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.000
We did the alternative universe one, didn't we?

1222
01:04:15.059 --> 01:04:16.739
Yeah, so this is before then.

1223
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:21.239
I think there was a break in the middle of series one of discovery.

1224
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.760
And I think this is the episode before the mid-season break.

1225
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.380
Now, I could be wrong.

1226
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:38.460
The break might be different, but this is them going to a planet and it might be the 1st time we go down to a planet on an away mission in discovery in quite this way.

1227
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:47.099
And so it's Ash, Saru, and Michael going down to a planet and the planet starts to affect Saru and he gets sort of super scary and stuff.

1228
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:54.000
Um, we've done one episode of Discovery series one and it was a mirror episode one.

1229
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:56.519
No, we did the time loop episode as well.

1230
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:59.699
Oh, we did too. episode of Discovery Zero as well.

1231
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:00.480
What do you think?

1232
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.340
I think you should press it again.

1233
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.119
It's not a bad thing.

1234
01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:03.659
We're together.

1235
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:04.739
You got to press it a few times.

1236
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.599
Yeah, that's right. be wasted opportunity.

1237
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:09.900
I'm half tempted to just press it myself.

1238
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.099
Okay, go on, go on.

1239
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:11.400
Okay.

1240
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:13.079
The only time I get to do this.

1241
01:05:13.139 --> 01:05:14.699
The Olivia Kingdom.

1242
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.679
Strangely wild?

1243
01:05:16.739 --> 01:05:17.159
Yes.

1244
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:20.940
You haven't seen that, and we're going to watch the rest of Strange New Worlds.

1245
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.139
It's um, it, yes, I think it is really, really good.

1246
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:29.519
It's very odd and it's very original trek.

1247
01:05:29.579 --> 01:05:31.739
It's very odd. like original Shrek.

1248
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.739
And Laan is absolutely hilarious.

1249
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:37.079
I love her so much.

1250
01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:48.239
It is a very strange episode and I can imagine it being a divisive one, but it does the sort of thing that original Trek does and that Star Trek does a little bit like, you know, Cupid or something like that.

1251
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.059
Oh, so it's like a quirky comedy.

1252
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.300
Yes, but it has a real proper.

1253
01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:04.980
It resolves one of the long-running plot arcs in series one involving Dr. Mabenga, and it's really, really properly moving in a way.

1254
01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:07.559
I really like I should definitely do that.

1255
01:06:07.619 --> 01:06:08.519
Do you know what?

1256
01:06:08.579 --> 01:06:09.119
All right.

1257
01:06:09.179 --> 01:06:10.739
I was a bit uncertain, wasn't I?

1258
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.380
When we watched Impala for Strangely World, it was about Laon.

1259
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.780
I've seen, what, 5 or 6 now?

1260
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:16.739
She's my favourite.

1261
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:23.340
The episode where her and number one were doing the Enterprise bingo. to try and prove they were hip.

1262
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.420
Yeah, they could have fun.

1263
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.420
That was some of the funniest comedy, I've seen Star Trek, for donkeys. honestly.

1264
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:38.159
She's magnificent in this, and you'll know why when you see it because they absolutely adore one aspect of what she does, but she's hilarious.

1265
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:40.920
What is the Elysian kingdom in reference to?

1266
01:06:40.980 --> 01:07:01.619
So the Elysian Kingdom is a storybook. that Dr. Ma Benge is reading his daughter, and you remember his daughter is terminally ill, and he's keeping her transporter patent in the patent buffer to keep her alive, and then he materialises and he reads her this story, the Elysian kingdom by Benny Russell.

1267
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:05.699
And, um...

1268
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:06.179
Yeah, yeah.

1269
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:10.619
I'm not gonna tell you how that relates to the story as a whole, but that's what it's based on.

1270
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.960
Oh, I can't wait.

1271
01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:13.739
It's going to be good.

1272
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:14.519
Let's do it.

1273
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:32.820
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. where online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1274
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:38.400
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1275
01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:43.860
This episode was recorded on the 6th of February 2023 and released on the 10th of February.

1276
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Strange New Worlds, the Elysian Kingdom.

1277
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:11.639
Man, I can't believe we want to talk about that for an hour.

1278
01:08:11.699 --> 01:08:12.420
Oh my god.

1279
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.500
Oh, yeah, I can see you doing it.

1280
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:20.340
Oh, that's sucking.

1281
01:08:20.340 --> 01:08:21.060
What are we?

1282
01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:27.359
Oh my, it's my topic.

1283
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:27.899
I'm hungry.

1284
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:34.439
So I'm in my pyjamas.

1285
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.119
And I'm in a dressing gown.

1286
01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:36.539
Yeah.

1287
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:39.659
But I frequently am, you know, these things.

1288
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:40.979
Yeah, I know.

1289
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.199
At least wearing pants.

1290
01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:44.880
God knows what I'm wearing in the other ones.

1291
01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:46.680
So we've done this.

1292
01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:50.760
That's Demons, the visitor.

1293
01:08:50.819 --> 01:08:51.840
Oh, God.

1294
01:08:52.859 --> 01:08:55.079
There's 2 wanking his horn.

1295
01:08:55.140 --> 01:09:00.899
Notice that there's 2 episodes on this 10 10 episodes per...

1296
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:01.560
I think it's 10.

1297
01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:03.420
No, maybe it's...

1298
01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:10.079
Maybe it's, yeah, but 2 of them have, uh, product, uh, lower decks.

1299
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.560
I think we have to do a Kurtzman track.

1300
01:09:13.619 --> 01:09:15.659
Because we've only done lower decks.

1301
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.380
Oh yeah, there he is.

1302
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.539
Yeah, that's not max and that's not Alban, is it?

1303
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.159
No, who is that?

1304
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:27.180
Okay, let's do a live action, Kurtzman.

1305
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:32.039
Even weirder, you know, is not just going back from the battle to that episode in series 7.

1306
01:09:32.100 --> 01:09:38.220
Yes, those 2 Ferengi in Menage a Trois, who then turn up in Voyager, in Series 3.

1307
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:39.899
It's the same 2 actors.

1308
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:44.279
Yeah, it's just, they're going from the Bazan wormhole and then, they're all...

1309
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.439
Okay.

1310
01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:48.659
I mean, I hate that episode.

1311
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:50.699
I just know you're gonna love it when we watch it.

1312
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:51.539
Discovery.

1313
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.859
Oh, we're doing Kurtz.

1314
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:54.300
Okay.

1315
01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:57.300
Oh, you want to take the 1st 3 away?

1316
01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:58.380
We just do strange new worlds.

1317
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.779
No, you just keep doing.

1318
01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:03.359
Because there's only 10 Strange New Worlds episodes.

1319
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:04.859
And we've done 2 of them.

1320
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:05.399
Oh, okay.

1321
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:07.319
Oh, yeah, we have some time.

1322
01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:11.939
Okay. those odds will be another 15 years before we get to do another one.

1323
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:12.960
Okay.

1324
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.267
All right, it's the end of the episode.