Hey, Joe. Hi.
So this is a very special episode indeed, isn't it?
And I want you to tell the people at home why.
It was a very special episode for several reasons.
Yeah.
One is it is a special in itself because it's justice.
It's amazingly good.
The other reason is because you travel 10,000 miles across the
world to watch this slice of Star Trek.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, the moment I roll justice, I booked a file.
There was no intention of you doing that beforehand.
No, because...
We have got to watch this man's legs being oiled up together.
So we did watch this together last night, which is the 1st time
that we've not the 1st time we've watched Star Trek together, but
the 1st time we've ever watched it together in the same room, in
person.
So that's been pretty great.
As I said before, I'm taking a bit of a break.
This will be the only episode that we release while I'm away, but
we didn't want to forego the opportunity of releasing an untitled
Star Trek episode that we recorded in person together.
The experience of watching Star Trek with you, especially an
episode of this quality.
I always figured, you know, you laugh more at TV than I did.
And may I say you laughed an awful lot.
We were also watching it with Mark, who didn't laugh all that much
occasionally punctuated the episode with, oh, God.
And I feel like that's a pretty solid description of the episode
as a whole.
So this is kind of a famously terrible episode.
And in fact, last episode when we watched the least dangerous
game.
We mentioned that it refers pretty explicitly to justice.
Remember, they go to the planet where instead of shaking hands
they kiss hello with tongues.
Yes, and they were all sort of tanned skinned.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're white skim pickle students. obsessed with health.
Yeah, and it's been mentioned before, I think, on lower decks
too.
Like, I think probably the Wesley crashing into a flower bed and
stuff has been...
I think Lloydex would be the only Star Trek series brave enough to
reference it.
It'd be great if they did it again.
I think if, you know, if Strange New Worlds went back to the Edo
planet, that would be pretty something.
Well, they become this tyrannical order.
There's still a load of sex involved.
Yeah, yeah.
So series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation is obviously not
the sort of show that it ends up being.
And one of the things that series one has is that it's really
horny in a way that is really unsexy and unattractive.
Gene Robin Berry is casting his eye over these scripts and going
I'm sorry, these aren't sexy enough.
Can we please have some scenes of dry humping in the background?
Oh, that bit, the bit.
I mean, we'll get there.
But where the camera pans across the room and there's this chase
kissing and legs being waxed and oh, gosh.
It's proper like fully clothed rooting, but they're not, you know
wearing all that march.
And the costumes are just horrific.
And it, because it's like 1987.
You have a thing about this poor chap in this episode.
Oh my gosh, Jimmy.
The nappy that he has to wear.
Yeah, so I've put him on the website and he's really upsettingly
tugged.
He's got Deanna level comel toe.
I know, just very much there, you know.
Oh, it's really, really not very attractive.
And, you know, nowadays, if you had to get undressed on American
television.
You know, if you had body fat of more than about, you know, 2.5%.
No, that's it.
You'd be whole...
We said that about Shatler in the original series.
Yeah, he was walking around looking very impressive, you know, with
his thumb out.
Yeah, that just wouldn't happen.
No, would it?
Picard was buff as hell.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was climbing the raft.
Exactly right.
But these people are not that.
Although there are one or 2 exceptions who will probably mention
it as we'd go through. sort of hairy twink in there, you know?
I think he may be 12, so I better... one of the children that
Wesley gets sent off to play with is a very hairy child played by
a 25-year-old, I think, probably.
I recognised the bit where Wesley Crusher sort of going, oh, there
are some games I don't actually play yet, where Mark was just
going, oh, please make this end, you know?
Well, again, it's super kind of horny, but it is still American
TV.
So the idea that a 15 year old would have sex is impossible to, you
know, countenance.
There's horny and then there's, there's like sleazy.
It's really, and then they're sexy.
Discovery is sexy.
Yeah.
You know, you've got... book.
Yeah, yeah. and Michael.
That is a hot couple.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, even the two, the gay couple.
Yeah.
Super hot.
But this is not hot.
This is absolutely an aphrodisiac.
It is, yeah.
I'm also going to make a statement, a bold statement about an
acting choice in this episode.
Because I think... going to be thrilled again.
I am.
I think this contains one of the worst from any regular in Star
Trek.
And actually, people, you know, point at Maurice Hurley and saying
how dare they get rid of Gatesman fan, you know, Dr. Bibley
Crusher.
I mean, he could have just watched this episode and said, cut her
out.
Yeah, but she's more of a robot than data.
Yeah, I think part of the problem, though, is that it's a role
that's kind of impossible to play. you know, and with the line
she's got.
Oh, they're dreadful and she's got to kind of play someone whose
son is going to be executed or might be going to be executed and
no one's doing anything about it.
And there are all sorts of scenes.
Like there's one scene in particular that we'll mention where
she's just standing there. waiting for everyone else talks. and
it's kind of like, what is she to do?
Like, what is she to do?
In fact, I noticed with this, there was a couple of scenes and
we've talked about blocking in 90s track.
I think it does get better.
Like getting better.
Yeah, they go along.
But at this point, they're like, they're literally lining up all
the regulars in one shot and they've all got a line rather than
doing cuts.
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's it's a miserable piece of work.
But I want to say as well, like this, by all accounts, was the 2nd
script to be commissioned after Encounter of PowerPoint.
So they're on a great run here, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
They're simple.
And then there's this.
This is, I mean, you don't even need a brain to watch this, you
know?
Like there's an attempt.
I mean, the episode's called justice and we do have that sort of
thing at the end where we say, you know, justice can't be real if
laws aren't absolute or, you know, like a, it's just stupid.
It's not an argument.
It's not like, it's not examining the idea of the justice system
basically just saying, well, there's an exception to every rule.
We're off.
Yeah, yeah.
I think, though, you know, the one thing that it does do in an
American context, which is reasonably brave, where, you know, for
a little while, capital punishment was illegal in the United
States, because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and then it
was found not to be unconstitutional.
And so America executes more people than any other sort of
civilised country, civilised western country, you know, like, um
you're suggesting the Americans are civilised now.
Well, yeah, there's that.
There's a veneer.
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, there's a lot of execution takes place in the United
States in a way that just doesn't happen in European countries or
in my country or anything like that.
So they very, very clearly state that in the future, we will have
decided that that's not a fair deterrent.
You know, that it comes out anti-capital punishment, but it's not
an anti-capital punishment episode, really, because the moral
dilemma is about, do we make the exception?
And then there's this weird problem with the prime directive where
I don't know what it is.
You know, if they're allowed to go down there and interact with
people.
Well, technically, if they are going to obey the prime directive
have to let him die.
Well, I don't know.
What is the prime directive?
That's the moral complexity of this, isn't it?
Is that they're not supposed to interfere with the laws of a
planet.
I think that states.
No, it's like pre-warp civilisation, is it?
Yeah, this is, yeah.
Yeah.
But why how can they be down there then having sure leave?
That's, I mean, yeah, yeah.
I don't even question that.
No, that's right.
So the pro nobody's thinking at this point.
No, that's right.
So the prime directive is something super vague and super
ridiculous.
And I guess, like the Prime Break is important because they don't
want the job of Star Trek to be cultural imperialism.
Right.
But it comes off that way.
Series one.
Several times.
Yeah, the drug episode where they're like, well, we're taking that
and so, ta-rah. good luck.
No, but we know that that turns out all right, remember, because
of...
Only because Alex... gives a shit about those.
So it was 30 years where they were worrying about that planet.
That's right.
You know, Picard didn't care.
Certainly the comedown is pretty rough for them, but then they're
fine. sort of went away from the bridge and said, I'll be in my
comfortable quarters now.
Yeah, forgetting about those people.
But it is, like, the very fact that it is him falling in some
flowers, playing a game of ball, where the conclusion is just the
most trite homily.
And then they just beam out arrogantly.
I was just like, what the fuck was that about?
Like, I think too, that there is a kind of sort of moral
relativism that they want to do and kind of fair enough.
They get better at.
Yeah, yeah, this society is fucked. you know what I mean?
Like they just sort of randomly kill people for doing trivial
things.
And like no one says at any point.
Actually...
You guys are fucked and we're not going along with this sea.
Like, I think that would have been a reasonable...
Immediately, they're just like, well, Wesley's are fucking in
trouble. like, let's find him.
Oh, and poor Wesley. like Will Wheaton eventually kind of is quite
good and he's great before this in standby me.
But this material...
Yeah, yeah.
But this material is so dreadful.
He really struggles to land it.
And a bit where she's like, I don't understand.
You're accustomed towards love. and he's like, oh, yeah.
I guess whatever you normally do.
But he was so naturalistic in stand by me.
Like, he made me cry several times in that, you know?
Yeah, he's really properly good.
And he does get better as well.
Yeah, but this material is so terrible that he struggles.
And of course, he's fighting an uphill battle because nerds hate
other nerds and so...
Yeah, that's right.
Because we hate ourselves.
Exactly.
So I'm going to pour one out for Will Wheaton in this episode he's
given a really, really tough job to do and he does it very badly
but I'm prepared to say it's not his fault.
This was filmed 8th because of the location work.
This is the 1st episode to get location work after the pilot.
So they couldn't film it immediately.
Originally it was supposed to go out second.
So, you know, the naked now wouldn't have been off.
Yeah, yeah, which is a bad choice.
Amazing sophomore episode of the acceleration.
If you will indulge me as ever, in person now, I would like to
read to you a small synopsis, because John D.F. Black, who his
name is on this script, his original version of this story is very
different.
It sounds just as dreadful.
I have just added the sex and really toned down like they've made
it a lot simpler than it was.
So, it goes as this.
Yeah, the colony of little good grief, how do you say that?
Laroff installed punishment for all backwards.
It's double L. Yeah, so it's for all backwards, isn't it?
Oh, good grief.
I thought there was a Welsh.
Yeah, Welsh planet.
Lulala.
Well, they installed punishment zones to fight anarchy.
However, the zones are now enforced to abide the law, but for only
those who are deemed not immune to them.
As the Enterprise D security officer, Officer Tenson, whatever
that might be, um, protecting 2 children while on shore leave
happens upon a crime scene and is shot dead by the policeman.
I mean, already this sounds a beautiful...
Yeah, does sound pretty good.
Um, who is also killed by his partner.
Oh, how do you say that?
Or tap.
OTAP on the spot for misinterpreting his duty.
In his 1st draft, Picard decides not to help the rebels, led by
Renig, as a space name.
Yeah, who fight against this system of council member Treebore.
Robert backwards. and also the name of a mint.
Finally, it turns out the rebels install a similarly totalitarian
regime when they gain power, but in the 2nd draft, a rebel leader
called Renig.
Terrible name. is put on trial and executed for treason.
I mean, it sounds a little bit more serious than what we get.
This is super simple.
It is just the crew of the Enterprise, you know, fall foul of an
unjust law and have to decide what to do about it.
The one element that I did kind of like, and I only kind of like
it is God.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And so God is like a weird spaceship and he's up there.
Well, they call it it, which I think works really well in the
dialogue.
So God, it is up there enforcing these moral principles and
things.
And they don't phasing in and out.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is a bit weird and I think data says at one point that it's
in several places at once. things like that.
So it's sort of omnipotent.
Yeah.
And it looks weird as well.
That's what I like.
We've been watching the HD version with the better special
effects.
The Edo still looked reasonably good originally, I think. people
watching this at the time and being sort of knocked out by the by
the spaceship.
The last thing I want to talk about, though, before we go in
because now 15 minutes, like preamble.
Well, we knew we would say a lot in Boston. is how stilted all the
performances were in this.
Like, this is a crew that has not jailed yet.
It's not Voyager.
I think they knocked it out of the park.
And DS9 took a little while, but there was the access was so
strong that when they were given the decent material series one
they were amazingly good.
But nobody seems very sorry of what they're doing here, especially
Patrick Stewart.
Yeah, Patrick Stewart is, he gives a bad performance, I think.
But it's also a bit shocking.
You know, I've said before that I think LaVar Burton is amazingly
good in Star Trek, the Next Generation, and doesn't get credit for
being as good as he actually is.
And here he's really wooden as well.
And so everyone is kind of terrible.
No one quite knows what to do.
And it does take a while for them to chill out.
And I think maybe even the 1st couple of years there's an
awkwardness to everyone's performance.
I don't, well, I don't think anybody thinks that this and can you
blame them after reading this script, it's going to be a success
no that's right.
Patrick Stewart, you know, as we've said many times, still has
another...
Using a suitcase as it's still, you know, like, oh, well, I'll get
the check and rub.
Yeah, I'll be back doing BBC Shakespeare.
Yeah, any day now.
Oh, bless them.
Well, I should.
I think we should.
Yeah we should.
So I'm going to count as eaten.
Five, four, three, two, one, and wear off.
Okay, so this is a beautiful new planet, because the planet was
just a big kind of ball of polycyren that they would project
patterns onto and have the have the model fly pass.
Is that a new effect then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That last look really tasty.
No, because the planets never look like planets with sort of
continents and cloud and stuff on them.
They just couldn't afford it.
Did you just see that shot then looking up at Picard with the star
ceiling?
Yeah, it's quite nice, you know?
Well, that's the other thing too.
They haven't really properly developed the house style at this
point.
So you see things that you would never normally see.
And the music, which is a little overbearing at times, but I'll
take that over the wallpaper from season 4 onwards.
But I mean, look at this shot.
There's a lot of lot more shadows.
It's much less evenly lit than later episodes and there's more
dark in the frame.
I remember a couple of scenes later on.
I was like, is there light from a window coming in?
Yeah, it's not practical lighting, but it is just a different
choice that they make.
And I remember thinking when I 1st saw like series 3, how
incredibly filming it looked.
But now when I see it, I think it's just very boring lately
especially compared to the lace trek.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So now we're discussing the Edo planet.
They've been down and had a bit of sex and Geordie La Forge even
says something, they make love at the drop of a hat.
He's saying it now.
And there's, and there's horny fucking Tasha Yanko anyhow.
So I didn't get when we were watching last night.
Mark is not a big fan of Tasha Yar, is that right?
He seems to think that every episode he watches, she's responsible
for the problem.
Well, she is in this isn't she?
Yeah, she hasn't read the briefing or hasn't kind of, you know
there's a line later where they say, oh, we knew about the laws
but we didn't know what the penalty was.
And you kind of think, well, she's seen on the byline that they're
ready to fuck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Skim read this.
I'm sure it is.
I need to get down there and drop a hat.
I've been through the enterprise through twice.
Oh, look at this shot.
From the point of view of the viewscreen of everyone in the show.
Yeah, yeah.
And we've got the lovely reclining chairs of season one and two
just so the camera can get everybody in.
It just looks like everyone's having a kip.
It does.
They look like beach lounges or whatever.
Oh, here we go.
We're talking about the theme tune yesterday, weren't we?
I think we really discussed that too much on untitled Star Trek
project.
What we didn't discuss when we did Manhunt was these opening
credits, which I actually kind of like, because the ones that
appear later are just like weird shapes, like you don't really
know what you're seeing.
But the idea that we started Earth and then head off into the
distance, I think, is actually pretty good.
I don't like it, though, in season 5 when they do the Star Trek
the Next Generation, with sort of trails of fire.
I mean, coming off it.
I mean, it jazzes up a bit.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's musical.
But now you've said it and you keep doing this to me, is you point
things out and then I can't unsee them.
It spoils every time I watch it, but I now can see those shots
from encounter a far point throughout the entire run.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, I don't think there's an original shot.
They do get a smaller model that's more detailed around about
halfway through the show's runner a little bit earlier.
And so you can tell the difference between, I guess, it's the 6
foot model and the 5 foot model and it does look different.
And in fact, I think it's the original model that has, you know
like slightly coloured things, like in the close-up.
You can see little coloured squares on there.
Well, I know, it's this time, didn't I?
And on the top. you could see people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, here in this shot, yeah. which I have never seen before.
That's the observation lounge.
I swear that's a new effect.
No, no, I don't think it is.
I've watched these 100s of times.
I refuse to believe there's a new detail to catch.
Although, you know, the bit where the enterprise just zooms. as
everyone's name appears.
Yeah, it's very funny, isn't it?
Well, that's what happens in the original, though.
That's true.
Oh, here we go.
So here we go.
So we're outside, which is refreshing.
Oh yeah.
Oh, look at those 2 kissing in front of the waterwork.
Stop it.
So, and it is a great location, I think.
I double check.
It is the same location where they film Starvly Headquarters.
Okay.
So this is where Boothby does his garden.
Oh, of course.
And so it's beautifully lush, like very green lawns.
I'm sure they're fake.
Oh, now he's our guy.
Beautiful park they go into later.
When Wes is playing ball.
Yeah.
No, you know what?
I'm going to be critical of this, but I didn't mind this so much.
I did like Troy, who's a bit chased when the guy tries to give her
a hug.
Yeah.
Yeah, she sort of thinks it's, oh, yuck.
And look at her.
No, she's virtually rolling her eyes and they cut away from her as
the guy.
She's having a bit of father.
Yeah, yeah.
That wig on Rivan.
Oh, that's terrible.
I can see her dark hair underneath.
And something happens to it during transport and it looks
completely different on in the studio.
Yeah, actually, I, see, that reaction from, from Marina.
She sort taps him, doesn't she?
Yeah, she pets him on the shoulder as if she's...
Tash is straight in.
What do you, whatever, man came up to me on an away mission
started nibbling on my neck.
I'll be like what are you doing?
Well, it depends on the man.
But if that, man, I would be punching him in the face.
He's horrible.
Oh, I love what she says to wharf, I welcome this huge one.
A huge one.
That's because she's already been down once.
Yeah, she knows he's well endowed.
Well, they virtually say that later.
I have to restrain myself. are too fragile.
I mean, they'd never have that dialogue in later suit.
No, they do.
Do they?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, with Gynon.
Kind of the war.
The very 1st episode that we watched on Untitled Star Trek
Project.
Yeah, he says.
I would need a human female for companionship.
Oh, she gives Wesley a sort of more matronly hard.
Why if you're going down to this gorgeous sunny planet, would you
wear that big woolly jumper?
Yeah, yeah. casual clothes are not good.
I mean, okay, you and I are Doctor Who fans.
We have seen some pretty terrible costuming overall. you know
shower curtains and...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why this must be some of the worst costumes I've ever seen.
They dreadful.
It's not just like aesthetically.
It doesn't flatter anybody.
No, no.
And particularly not this guy.
And that's the other thing that I thought about this planet is
because it's the 1980s and all of these people are white and
blonde.
It's like a fucking clan rally.
I put on, didn't I?
The 1st scene of Code of Honour after this, because we were trying
to compare whether this...
Which one is more racist?
And I think you came down on justice. didn't you I think justice
is super racist because, you know, these people, Yeah, Code of
Honour is shockingly bad.
I mean, it has actual black people in it that it can make fun of.
It's super terrible.
But like this, I just think this is yucky.
And and he is dreadful, that lead guy, because everyone's got
blonded hair.
Do you remember everyone blonded their hair in the 80s?
So even the people who aren't blonde.
And crimson, just like Rivan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like a crimpy, like, and it's the worst look she ever had.
I'm telling you.
And this guy, too, has to do a lot of running.
We've decided ill advisedly that there's an old woman there.
Well this is beyond shit.
They were all just running around being happy.
Yeah.
But I, are they running sort of their tits and bits and pieces
flop up and down?
you know what I think this is.
I think this is a poor man's version of the original. looking back
and they're going, this is what we think it was like with people
with, you know, scantily clad running around in the sun.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
It wasn't like this.
We've done the original series.
There's the sort of 25-year-old hairy child.
I wouldn't say no to me.
The other one looks about tense.
Yeah, yeah, and his skinny arms and stuff.
And that poor, that lovely looking girl.
Yeah.
She's so sad though.
No, wealth.
Okay, now we're in the studio.
And there are people doing, oh, Jesus, like what?
It's sort of an interpretive dog.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, everyone's blonde.
These people drinking champagne.
He's grabbed her tits.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, they do it.
I don't know, but it's this, that one looks like Kath from Kath
and Kidd over there.
This is the least sensual massage you can imagine.
This woman absolutely hates this guy.
Look at that guy. his dick.
Look at him.
He doesn't have a dick.
We're like, no, he's got camel toe.
It's all sort of tucked up.
It's really gross.
It's weird.
It sort of exposes the belly button, but hides the chest.
It's such a weird costume.
Well, remember the belly button fetish that the people had in the
least dangerous game?
That's exactly what they're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Yeah, because remember that Rutherford and Billips got in trouble
for going into their sacred temple without exposing their button
brilliant.
The god, which is what, part computer, part baby.
Psychic baby.
A volcano as well.
And I did notice as well last night when we were watching this
when you go from the location work, back to the Enterprise, sort
of how dreary the light is.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's...
Like, I think that shooting a science fiction show on location is
difficult because you have to find particular locations and you
have to kind of create the world.
And eventually, I think it becomes possible because people are
better at CGCGI and so you can, you know, erase things and stuff
in post-production.
Well, they still do location work, are they in Kursman Trade?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, they do well.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're the one we watched where they were in an American
wouldn't it?
Contemporary America.
And it's amazing.
Oh, and the one in trill, you know, like the one...
Oh, no, that's...
That was in a park like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's so much better because I've said before that 90s trek
has the production values of a daytime soap opera because they
never go outside.
I believe I just saw Joe Carey there from Star Trek Voyager.
Yeah, so he's backup Geordie guy.
So when Geordie's not sitting in the chair.
So in this scene, for instance.
Geordie's not sitting in the chair.
So that's where Joe Carey sort of turns off.
It's such a weird character.
It turns out he's got quite a pivotal role in series one of
Voyager.
And then he vanishes halfway through series 2.
And then he turns up in series five?
No, seven, seven, and then they kill him. and they murder him.
Yeah, yeah.
We haven't seen him for 6 years.
Yeah, that is weird.
Did you see, just that?
There was a shot and I did mention this to you last night.
Um, where Jordan La Forge is going into a room and the camera
can't follow him into the room.
So they've taken out the wall.
And just the camera's gone past, through the wall, from the
exterior to the internet.
Now they would never do that later on.
No.
But I like that.
I do too.
Yeah.
Oh, do you know what?
I was watching Mark when this bit was going on and the ball was
coming out of the Edo ship and heading into the Enterprise and he
was looking quite interested at this.
He's getting into this now.
Yeah, I confess something to you.
What's that?
He said to me before bed last night.
I think we should watch all of series one of Star of the First
Generation.
So justice won him over.
But it may just be like rubbernecking in a car crash. don't you
think Like it's just like, well, that's why we watch reality TV
most of the time, isn't it?
Where, I mean, the only thing to watch you.
Are there good episodes in series one, the battle's okay?
The battle, I like conspiracy.
Yeah, it's very gross at the end.
I think that might be it.
It might be it.
I think, and seriously.
But the worst is very funny.
Some of it, like the Arsenal freedom and things like that.
Yeah, very funny.
Oh, that one with a fellow gets older and older, too short a
season's face just gets bigger and bigger.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, right, when the Edo got talks.
Not only, they've gone down the, you know, it's got a distinct
British act.
No, no, he's an American, but he's got that American...
Yeah, yeah.
Mysterious voice.
Yeah, he sounds like, like, um, Baylock.
His voice is so dramatic.
Yeah, that shakes the ship.
That's great But again, he's God.
And so, of course, God, you know, when God speaks the earth
shakes.
Oh, it's a lazy man's version of God, though.
No, but I actually think that that's because, you know, like
America is less and less religious every day, but it's still much
more religious than Britain or Australia.
And so having God as a kind of problem, you know, God and God's
role is protecting the Edo, but it's also making sure that
everyone follows them.
No, that's okay.
I don't want to hear any of that.
I know it's going to be an agonising backstory.
Yeah, it just feels a bit...
No, no, it's just, well, because I think in a way, it's that sort
of Star Trek thing where this society doesn't work on its own
terms, and it merely exists to serve the kind of political point
that they want to make, except they're too cowardly and kind of
inept to make a proper political point.
And so having God who's a spaceship.
So God is real and he's a force that not only makes the Edo obey
the law, but also should make them obey the law.
They must have done that in the original series, surely.
Like a technological God.
Yeah, like Landrew.
Ah, yeah.
Do you know, there was a bit there, right?
Talk about simplicity.
So we've been at the very 1st scene of this episode.
They're talking about the colony.
They put it on.
We all need some shore leave now.
We found this great sex planet.
Pre-riser, of course.
And then the ball comes out of the Edo ship and it's like, you
know, why did you leave people there?
Because I can really confuse.
And Data steps up and goes, oh, the colony, sir.
The colony was just from before.
Fuck me.
Are these people stupid?
Well, it was a much needed exposition for our purposes.
Oh, no, Wesley Cross is doing...
That's his double.
It's really, really bad.
I think they're supposed to be backflips, but it doesn't quite...
No, we can't.
Oh, this is where the young lady says to me, I want to do
something too, with you.
Yeah, there's something I want you to teach me. he kind of goes, I
don't quite know some games.
I mean, this was lower decks.
They'd be like, right, let's go.
Yeah, yeah.
Except it's original TNG.
Well, you see, he's teaching them baseball, like a ball. just
ball.
But he wants a bat.
Like I kind of, you know, and they're going to get a stick and hit
the ball.
So I wonder if he's teaching him. anything a bit more complex than
that, couldn't it?
Yeah, it's sort of dismal and there goes hairy, 25-year-old
teenager.
Oh boy.
Now, this is snugging each other.
Yeah, this is... particularly gross this scene.
So we in front of a painting of some... playing a game, right?
They're playing a game.
What looks like dice.
They put the dice behind their backs and then they all present...
Do you think it's a sex game?
It's kind of like, oh, who's going to be in them with who or what
they're going to do?
Are we going to do the reverse cowgirl?
Were they present the dice?
They all start laughing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right Oh, you've rolled.
She's licking her out tonight, then.
You've rolled dirty Sanchez.
Oh, and Troy.
And trying sat behind, like, she's just, they're trying to
persuade her to do a FFM three.
But it's the oldest couple with poor Troy.
Everyone else hanging out with these young, you know, supposed to
be hot people.
Now, here is some wharf bragging about the size of his dick and I
think it's ribbed.
Wow.
Yeah, it's ridged for her pleasure.
Oh, give it a go.
Yeah, so here we go.
Bragging, sir.
He's got weird sort of stilted dialogue here, though, as well
where he goes, you know, are females, too fragile, and he doesn't
talk in actual sentences.
No.
I think too, in series one, like, even though Wharf's in the
opening credits and stuff, they're a bit tentative about whether
he was a regular or not.
Um, and same with Deanna, Deanna disappears for a bunch of
episodes towards the end.
It's when they learn to have fun with both of them.
Yeah.
You know, they realise wharf's actually very, you know, I don't
even kill him, you know, it's very funny.
Well, I am not a merry man.
But it's not just the funny lines.
It is also that role that I've said that when they're debating a
course of action.
He's the one who says what's wrong.
He's the one whose opinion is almost always wrong.
And there's always been something to counter against, isn't
there?
You know?
Oh, I need to. need to bring up this terrible backdrop.
Oh, yeah.
They've done this colony set here.
And then they put some potlants just behind the actors.
From the production office.
Behind them, they've got a painting of more trees.
It is awful.
I mean, I've seen some terrible sort of, you know, studio planets
in TNG series one.
But that Doctor Who would have done better than that, you know?
Maybe not in the 60s, but yes.
But when this was going out.
Young, yeah.
Well, they just go outside.
They learned that lesson by then, yeah.
TNG, they go outside, what, 3 times a year, maybe?
Yeah, in series two, there's one scene shot on location and
everything else.
So it's it's Picard on a horse.
Oh, I remember.
Yeah.
Is that it?
It's the only thing in series 2.
Yeah.
Wow.
So it's very refreshing then in the survivors in series free.
Do you remember?
Yeah, yeah.
And that's another great location because it's like a big modern
space house.
Great episode.
Wow.
You know?
That would have been worth coming 10,000 miles across the world to
watch.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Oh, this is still a good reason to hop on a plane.
That's why Tasha asked. like, yeah, I did read the rules, but, you
know, I learned nothing about punishment. would have gone there
first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this is where they're explaining to them the legal system and
everyone's kind of suddenly scared about Wesley and they all sort
of run off.
So the equivalent is, say, in my town of Eastbourne, right now, is
that, and, like, they just choose a suburb.
Yeah.
And if you do anything wrong in that suburb, then you're gonna be
killed.
Yeah, and presumably you don't know beforehand.
So everyone just behaves themselves.
Yeah, yeah, because they might be in the punishment zone. that
would work, you know.
Well, yeah, maybe, maybe.
I suppose if everyone was told they didn't have to go to work and
they could just all have sex all day and behave yourself.
And yeah, yeah, avoid the punishment zones.
And so the punishment zones, though, apart from that seem to be
clearly marked, don't they?
Like, you think if you're...
It's a white waller fence.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's this sort of white barrier that we're gonna see.
Oh, this bit now.
No, Wes.
It's forbidden to disturb.
No way.
We ow.
Oh, those lovely flowers there, though, you know?
They're really brightly coloured, aren't they?
They're great. why I don't like cut flowers.
Keep them in the ground.
Yeah.
The corpses.
Can you just see the fences?
It's for new plants.
Oh boy.
But I said to you last night.
When I 1st watched this, aged 7 years old.
Was it 87, this came out.
Plus, this was the most gripping drama academic.
I remember watching, I had this tape.
It was Lonely Among Us and Justice.
Lonely Among Us had Picard doing a fabulous sort of electricity.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. about that, I think.
Follow that up with all of this sort of, well, for a seven-year
old.
This was very sexy.
TV doesn't get better than this.
Look at the ugly guy on the right with the horrible blonde
highlights.
Not entirely sure.
No, that's true. are pretty horrific.
But I do think the most simplistic line hits in a minute where it
pulls out is needle and Tashiago, well, it's a kind of syringe.
No, but what about the famous we've just missed at the I'm from
Starfleet.
We don't lie.
Did they want us to like Wesley Crusher?
That's the sort of thing they parody in Valiant.
Yeah.
When they're like, we're red squad and we can do anything.
And then they killed a lot of them.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that was sort of a little bit hinted at in like, um
the 1st duty, wasn't it?
Where the worst Robert was in charge of some squadron.
That's who I thought in that.
Yeah, yeah, he's good in that.
The funny bit here is, right?
They about to kill him.
Yeah.
So there's like, you know, just accept your punishment and be
killed.
And then when they stop him, they go, well, look, we were just
going to kill him.
Now you've really upset him. now he's frightened.
No, no, I'd rather be frightened than dead, you know?
And yeah, the syringe line is coming up.
Yeah, there you go.
Do you imagine there was like a, like a boardroom of people.
These scripts were going around there at the time.
It wasn't, I don't think so. no, no, of course.
No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they're literally all just chipping in.
Oh, well, let's make it sexy.
It's throwing us a syringe.
So I, this is, this is, it's a kind of syringe.
Well done, Tasha.
I love those tiny little portable phases, which disappear from the
show.
This season.
Come the Arsenal of Freedom.
They've got these enormous phases.
Yeah.
But they're also weird in that they don't have like the grip, you
know, the dustbusters.
So I like the phase of rifles they have later on.
Yeah, except they look like they're made out of balsa wood
though.
Well, you would say that, would you?
There's no recoil, there's no half to them, you know, they're kind
of terrible.
I still cannot believe that, I think this is the only episode in
series one directed by James Elconway, where he went on to direct
some of the best way of the Warrior.
You've directed Way of the Warrior, Shattered Mirror, which has
some brilliant special effect sequences in it.
I think he did all Matt Bashir as well.
Right.
Like, this was humble beginning.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, there's plenty of, you know, one of the weird things about
watching series one is you look at the opening credits and the, you
know, the credits over the beginning and all these production
people who never appear.
Yeah, especially the writers.
Yeah, a lot of writers in one and two.
Yeah, Michael Peeler comes in and goes, right.
Getting rid of those people.
Well, I don't know if this guy wrote anything else.
He's got a fabulous name, but I can't remember what it is.
But what's interesting is like, obviously, enough, it really works
here.
But the premise, the characters, the ship, like it's all made to
work.
Yeah.
So like there was a germ of something here.
I just didn't realise it for some time.
I had the same experience as you with series one because in
Australia series one was released except for 2 shorter season and
home soil.
It was released on home video.
Home soil.
I did this.
Bags of mostly water.
And it was released only for rental.
So I cycled around all of the neighbouring suburbs to, because I
was like in university by the time it sort of comes out.
To get this?
Yeah, to get this.
And I remember they released like Qhu and maybe it was Measure of
a Man.
It was suddenly it was like, oh, holy crap, this does get good
eventually.
But I was sort of fascinated by this and I, you know, I'm a sucker
for shows about people on spaceships doing things, like that sort
of awesome.
You say that you were paying, you know, exorbitant amounts for box
sets.
Oh, yeah.
Well, eventually when they came out on DVD in sort of box sets
they were like $350 for a season or whatever.
Australian dollars.
They were super expensive.
I think the most insulting thing about justices, which is really
really bad, is I don't think it's the worst episode of series
one.
No.
No, but the sex thing.
I think it's just a weird sex thing is so horrible and
uncomfortable.
And everybody...
Who is watching this along with us?
Please, please take a good look at the woman behind Ravan, who
never gets a line of dialogue, but expresses more emotion than
anyone else.
She's only expressing emotion because someone's been a bit too
enthusiastic with the eyebrow tweezers and so she's in a permanent
state of surprise.
She looks short.
And now that you could just see her eyes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Her enormous wig relax.
There's a lot of tit shots here.
Yeah, yeah.
But yucky.
Yucky.
This is where I was talking about where they were trying to get
everyone in shock because everyone's got a line.
Yeah. putting all the regulars in one shot and then all the Edo
people in another.
So here we're getting a sort of background and this is a very sort
of standard Star Trek thing, isn't it?
Before we were terribly evil and, you know, society was very
disordered and stuff and we introduced this stupid law and now
everyone kind of behaves themselves.
And this is the one too, where Picard says, here it is, capital
punishment in our world is no longer considered a justifiable
deterrent.
And that's a political position that's controversial in America
and they've just absolutely landed on the kind of left side of
it.
But they bring it up. where they don't explore it.
They lift the rock.
Yeah.
And then they put the rock back there.
Like it doesn't end up being about capital punishment being unjust
at all.
Later on, they would do that.
Yeah, yeah.
No, yeah, we got 45 minutes, not particularly.
No, but they would absolutely do that.
Yeah, so here the rule, what's the problem?
The problem is that their law is too, um, it's too simplistic.
Like it's just a blanket rule that applies.
And like, that doesn't, it standing against a law that's too
simplistic or too blunt, doesn't seem like a particularly brave
political stance to be taking.
It kind of like what's the point of that?
He does all, but give him the finger when he beams away.
Like, well, we're going.
No, no, no.
I think that it's worth saying that this is a grossly unjust
system and because the guy starts getting all pissy. say, well
what the fuck?
Did you come here then?
Well, but we didn't know.
We gave you a list of rules.
We're just here for the fucking.
And so, like you said, Tasha R should have been executed.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, you know, one scene we watched in Code of Honour, she
tossed the security.
Lutan security man across the cargo bank.
She was responsible for that episode as well.
But here... like, yeah, he God, this is super interesting.
And again, like they don't, they're not brave enough.
Like, they're brave enough to depict a god who is arbitrary in the
way that he enforces laws.
So there's a, there's a way of sort of thinking about ethics that
some people who believe in God do, which is that God defines
what's right and wrong.
And so what's right is what God commands and what's wrong is what
God forbids.
Now that's not a tenable system of ethics and Plato knows that
right from the.
It's usually made up by a butcher.
Well, because A god is made up.
Yeah, but also because why do we have to, you know, if it's all
that's happening is a particular person's telling us to do it, then
why does that person tell us to do it?
Like, you know, in what sense does just some being's commands, how
can that constitute being good?
What if I said, well, I'm going to ignore that commander just try
and do what's right?
You know?
And so, so, or if the commands are something that we would
consider?
Yeah, unjust.
That's right.
And that's what's happening here. you know?
And this god isn't...
Yeah, they're depicted of being so pure, aren't they?
They're sort of virginal when they're... beautiful.
Well, no, and all of the rooting and stuff.
Remember we get that at the very beginning, don't we?
We get a Geordie saying they seem weirdly puritanical in some
ways.
Well, they've given us the heads up then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do, but I do also think as well. sort of the last sort of couple
of minutes of you discussing that is, you know, vastly more
intelligent than what we're actually watching on the screen.
So, but this god doesn't seem to command, does he?
But he does punish people we think for not obeying their own
rules.
Oh, how do they, what does God get out of that?
don't know. moving the markers.
Yeah, but remember the, remember the thing that they're worried
about is that because they're breaking the prime directive, which
you said, is super ill defined and makes no sense in this
context.
Um, you know, if they're a pretty warp civilisation, why are we
even there?
When we explore that idea later on as well.
That is who watches the watches, isn't it?
And but that engages with everything you're saying.
Yeah, you know, the Picard, bring him back Picard from the dead.
It's so great.
It's the idea that these people... this scene where Rivan is
brought into orbit to look at our planet.
It happens in who watches the watches.
So she thinks she's sharing all been with God, which is Captain
Picard.
And then when someone's on their deathbed, she's like, save him
you know, after, we think Picard has gotten through to her to say
look, we're just another civilisation.
It's so clever.
I think you better this.
Well, and that's an astounding episode actually.
It's in series 3.
Do you remember Patrick Stewart's Angry Rant in that?
He's like, yeah, you want me to send them back to the, the Times
of the Stone Age?
No, you know.
That's what's so great about it.
The cultural contamination that they reek is they invent
religion.
Suddenly religion is back and that's an absolute disaster that
they need. behaving in violent ways, aren't they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to kill right?
No, they're going to kill Picard.
Yeah, no, with the arrow.
They do shoot him, don't they?
And he bleeds and that makes them...
He's just a person.
Whereas this, wow.
I mean, they just beam away with Wesley.
Oh, I did like this with the Edo godship coming back towards
that's a headbutt the enterprise.
Oh, no, here's the line.
Yes, do that, but hurry.
I don't, we were talking there, but we didn't notice Gate McFans
are marvellous acting in the background there.
They're going down the corridor.
She's looking concerned because she's been told about Wesley.
But honestly, she looks like such a fucking robot.
Well, it's so, I mean, it's just unactable, I think.
You know, they have the camera on her so much and she's in the
background not doing anything and she's supposed to look
overwrought about her son's in bed.
What is she to do?
She's in the background of this scene in a minute between Picard
and Data and she just has to look more concerned.
Yeah, yeah.
But without a line of diet right at the end.
Yeah.
Oh it's terrible.
And because we can't do anything where she actually takes the law
into her own hands or anything like that.
She just has to kind of impotently fume and look kind of anxious
and I will quote the lines of course.
Oh, no, no, they're coming.
But my least favourite is your favourite of that scene.
Oh no, I think it's wonderful.
I think it's absolutely, that's actually her best acting because
it's a reaction that makes sense that a real human being would do
where she just goes, shut up and then storms off.
But she does it as Gates McFadden.
So it's more like, shut up.
No, no, I think it's angry American woman. absolutely buy it.
I've seen something like that in the real house.
It's awesome, but here, look where she's just kind of...
Swallowing. is in Sick Bay here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a strange feel grammar there, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, so data, data got brain sucked by the Edo or something.
And like data is fun, but you said to me last night, there's a
sequence in a minute where he's like apologising for babbling, and
then he starts talking about the Edo Godship, and at the end of it
you went, that was so boring.
What the hell were they talking about?
I said, well, they just needed to fill 5 minutes before the
climax.
Yeah.
So yeah, isn't this scene or is it another one?
Because all of this.
It's another one in Data's quarters or because...
Oh, that's where he goes to apologise.
Because Beverly's not there then, so we're not distracted by her
in the background.
But I mean, all of this stuff is stuff that we know if we're
paying even the slightest bit of attention to the episode.
But the thing that reminds me so much of the original series in
this is the bit where he says to Beverly, you know, I promise you
Beverly, I will not let your son die.
And she goes, oh, thank you, Jean-Luc.
And then there's a violin going, in the background.
I'm like, oh really?
And they're not even in the 80s was TV.
That's terrible.
The Don't Babble is rude, isn't it?
But they, they like, they're in Lonely Among Us.
Do you remember where he says, um, ah, it's a bit like Sherlock
Holmes and then Data's obsessed.
He's got a pipe in a sense and suddenly dressing up in his in his
costume.
Do you remember the beard in schizoid man?
Oh, you can be a lot of fun.
In fact, I think they have some fun with daydream series one.
He's the one character they actually mixing up a bit.
Well, I think, I mean, I can understand why people warm to data
straight away even here. you know, because he's super calm and he
you know, like he doesn't seem to be rancorous or annoyed by being
told that he babbles or whatever.
Mark was distracted, wasn't he, in a scene where he's like, oh my
god, he's got red eye because of his contacts.
Yeah, you can tell he's really, he's always really irritating.
I think they're bad in series one.
It might take him while to get used to they get better contact
places.
I love that scene in that last episode of the car series one, but
his face has filled out so much.
Now.
It's like, there wasn't a lie about that. was there?
No way. suddenly so.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, we're getting up to it now.
Gasement's building up.
Yeah.
Because at one point she just goes, ah.
Oh, so look at that.
It's so poor thing.
What has happened?
And she goes, the eater want to execute my son.
I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.
Dana's response is great.
The emotion of motherhood.
And then he just goes, shut up.
It storms off.
She's so great.
I think that's absolutely the right.
That is the worst actor I've ever seen.
No, I love that.
The storming off is her best acting of the episode.
Like, she does.
I mean, by, you know, five, 6, and 7, she loosens up a lot.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, her best bit in series one is where they're going to Dixon
Hill and the man gets killed and she's going, woo-hoo.
She doesn't realise the safety's wrong. doesn't she swallow gum?
Yeah, she's a gum.
She's swallowed.
Her best scene ever.
I've maintained day to day.
This dancing scene.
Yeah.
Because she's a tart.
Yeah, yeah.
But she's teaching it as well.
It's wonderful Oh, this is insane.
Listen to the dog.
Oh, it's so boring.
What the hell is that?
And it doesn't inform the climax.
So it is pointless.
Yeah.
Because, you know, the decision he has to make is, well, I was
just like, go, fuck yourselves.
Yeah, there's just nothing here.
This scene is just, you know, using up running time.
I don't know, what do we learn from this?
I mean, it's early enough.
Does it tell us something about the relationship between Riker and
not Rai, I say.
Picard between Picard and Data.
I mean, he apologises to him, but yeah.
Yeah, but all of this is just rehashing the stuff from the
previous scene in Sick Bay.
Yeah, he's saying that the Ito God has learned of the prime
directive.
Yeah.
So him.
So I'm guessing he read those rules better than Tashi R read.
The rules of the Edo world.
Oh, the Crusher boy.
Yeah, I know.
Well, again, I said today, he keeps calling him Riker instead of
command eyes.
Well, they don't settle down on any of that stuff, do they?
Deanna calls William will write a bill at one point in a series
one episode.
I don't know, Haven or something.
Yeah.
Oh, I can't always see him back in Picard.
Yeah, they were so good in Nepenthe.
Word though.
They were just tremendous.
It was like, I mean, that was it was basically Marina Circus and
Jonathan Frakes hanging out with...
They're all 3 of them are great.
It was wonderful.
Why did I do this all along?
Yeah, yeah, it's from series one.
Imagine where we become the Benthe, you know?
Well, again, the thing with the Penthe.
The thing with Nepenthe is that they've had, you know, just ages
to kind of get to know one another and stuff and so it just seems
like a reunion for people who work together for, you know, 8 to 10
years and we love those characters.
Yeah, just love those scenes.
We are talking about Picard now because the sequence is so boring
and nothing. adding anything to the drama at all.
Perhaps the Edo or a child race by comparison.
What does that even mean?
No, none of their dialogues.
Yeah, yeah.
I think I think maybe if you're a four-year-old.
This might seem a little complex, but beyond that, oh, here she
comes again.
Well, in fact, there's a bit of stuff here where they're
theorising about who the Edo are and how they got here, but
they're not going to answer that.
I don't even notice, but as Beverly Frusher came in, a woman
walked past the door.
Honestly, she's just waiting that entire scene. to suggest that
the enterprises are full of people.
Yeah.
I don't do that very often, do they?
We were shocked in yesterday's enterprise.
Well, yeah, no, there's like 5 times the number of extras.
It's like a bad, but they have a line about that, don't they?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Again we're talking about another episode.
Because this scene is still going on.
So what are we doing?
We're gonna go down to the planet now.
Try and, you know, reason with the Edo and Edo God.
Meanwhile, you please stop showing that.
Yeah, Riker's looking at the painting of trees.
Everybody sits down this evening, man.
It genuinely looks like a nappy.
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's awful.
There's a bit of trivia about the harp that's played at one
point.
I'll add this now because I feel like we've just run out of things
they believe it may be the harp from what episode is it called?
The hippie episode of Way to Eden.
Yeah, of TOS.
I mean, even this, you shared the arbit with God.
You must be guards.
Yeah, no, we not gods, but we are the people who are going to just
tell you to fuck off. while we take our...
You know how the British Empire are headed out into the world and
civilised, ruined stuff, other places.
Well, um, you don't think, okay, I know they're not going for that
here with the enterprise, but it does sort of end up that way in
Series one. and they put a British actor in there, just to make
the imperialism cell, where it feels like it sometimes, doesn't
it?
America's imperialist as well.
American can do that.
And French, he's French as well.
They do it too.
Is anyone immune?
What's happening now?
Yeah, so this, do you know what I mean?
They're sort of saying don't violate our law.
Do they fear reprisals?
Well, no, they just think that they're being disrespected.
You know, that their law is important to them and they see it as a
thing.
It's fucking open.
Talk about disrespect, you know?
But it's so hard to care.
You know, because their legal system is so stupid.
The thing is what, the difference between this and who watches the
watches is we get very close to those guest characters from that
story.
And there's a family in there as well that you can sort of feel
for by the end of it, the daughter's begging the father, you know
don't kill him.
Yeah.
And so there's actual drama. character drama.
Isn't it funny?
I had never sort of drawn a parallel between justice and who
watches the watches, but they are really quite similar, aren't
they?
Maybe me, Michael Piller watched this and went, oh, God, awful
episode. do it again.
Do it properly.
Yeah, we've got so many episodes to feel.
We can do that, you know, 26 again.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
You're not involved in this decision, boy.
I'm sorry, sir, but it seems like I am.
I mean nobody could get that line out well.
I think I may have done it a little bit better than Will Wheaton
there, but...
Look, his dick might be coming out of its tucking...
That's what you've got to grab older, isn't it?
There's so little of substance.
Yeah.
What of justice to Wesley?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Does Wesley do much in the next 4 seasons?
Yeah, he saves the ship in...
A couple of times.
Yeah.
Wow.
Oh okay.
They all step back now, so they're all in shot.
Well, no, they be off.
They're all standing so they all turned up in the right place on
the transporter on the transporter pad, but then they, yeah, then
they could.
Although, yeah, I will say in their defence, they may have
perfected that, you know, like, well, we know we're going to
last.
Yeah, yeah.
You need to be in a certain position.
But I think I could see the markings on the floor.
Oh, the camera.
We get a high angle shot.
Because he's talking to God.
So now he's talking to God.
He talks to God for just like about 30 seconds.
It's the most dumb point.
There could be no justice while laws themselves are absolute.
Even life itself is an exercise and exception.
And then Reich has been reading his fucking desk calendar with
that line.
You know, when has justice ever been the question of following a
rule book?
And that's it.
God's persuaded.
Ooh, you say hello, ship going.
Ah, good point.
I never thought of that.
That's it, we're done.
Zap off, doesn't he?
He goes, oh, I would have liked to have studied that edo ship a
bit more.
But anyway, off to Pacifica now, off somewhere else.
Yeah, I was off to Pacifica or coming from Pacific.
I can't make it, you know.
There's always something.
Admiral Cache of nose and she goes, right, I'm going to get a
touch now.
Give him a mission.
They'll enjoy Pacifica too much.
Send them somewhere.
No, she loves torturing Picard.
I think that's what she did.
Only joy in life, the JF.
How can I get Jean-Loup today?
Maybe it spurned her at one point.
I'm hoping Nashay is still alive and as she turns up in an episode
of Prodigy.
No, no, but she's in series 3 of Picard.
Oh, God.
That'd be great.
You thought that admiral who told him to fuck off or whatever in
series.
What was bad, bad.
She's allowed to swear on Picard.
I wanted to say this for you for a long time, Jean-Luc.
You're a cunt.
Oh, everyone's positioned perfectly here on the bridge.
I can see that.
It's weird shot, though.
Very weird shot.
Off we go. other adventures.
What was next again?
I don't know.
I think it was the battle.
Yeah, I think it was.
We moved on to the battle.
In fact, it's about to do that now.
So good when Patrick Stewart was asked in Serial 7.
Are there any, you know, plot threads?
We've got no ideas.
We've given data a long lost mother.
We're out of family.
Like, we've done the magical brick on the holodeck.
Like, is there anything you want to do?
He's like, yeah, who were Damon Bock in series one?
That was great.
The battle.
Actually, this episode is directed by Rob Bowman.
Right, and that's some good things with the lighting.
There's a sequence later on where he's on the Bridge of the
Stargazer.
We're talking about another.
Yeah, sorry.
Well, it's better than justice.
Um, and all the ghosts of the old office.
Yeah, that's right.
Oh, I think he's, he thinks he's on, he thinks he's in the battle
like the, yeah, yeah.
It's actually, I think it is probably the best episode in series
one.
It is pretty good.
And he's acting as well.
He's actually acting.
But going back to justice for a second.
Well, what else is that to say?
No, that's it. over.
I think it's over.
Well, I'm glad that I um, I did make the uh, 10,000 mile journey
to watch Justice with you.
That was awesome.
I'll say this for justice, yeah.
The fact that that is the 1st piece of television that you and I
ever watch together in person means is unforgettable.
That's it.
It'll always have a place an hour.
We'll always have justice.
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to
pick what we're going to watch next time.
We'll be doing it remotely, but we'll still try and have fun.
And it's my turn on the randomiser.
And so I've decided that we are going to do some live action
Kurtzman track.
Exciting.
Because we've done a...
This is my sort of mystery era.
Yeah.
It's potluck where I've actually seen the episode or not.
Well, that's right.
And when I roll it on the randomiser, I won't recognise it from
the title because they don't have onscreen titles.
The weird thing about, you know, new ones coming out, is it?
You just don't have the knowledge.
The old ones, I could probably name the writers and the
directors.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I think I probably, when does justice come out?
It's like 30 something years ago, 35 years ago and we saw it at
the time and, you know, like remember much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this is all kind of new.
All right.
Okay, I'm going to press the button.
Siwis Parkem Parabellum, series one, episode eight.
It means if you want peace, prepare war.
Which series is it?
Oh, Discovery Series one?
We have done the late Discovery Series one, you know.
We did the alternative universe one, didn't we?
Yeah, so this is before then.
I think there was a break in the middle of series one of
discovery.
And I think this is the episode before the mid-season break.
Now, I could be wrong.
The break might be different, but this is them going to a planet
and it might be the 1st time we go down to a planet on an away
mission in discovery in quite this way.
And so it's Ash, Saru, and Michael going down to a planet and the
planet starts to affect Saru and he gets sort of super scary and
stuff.
Um, we've done one episode of Discovery series one and it was a
mirror episode one.
No, we did the time loop episode as well.
Oh, we did too. episode of Discovery Zero as well.
What do you think?
I think you should press it again.
It's not a bad thing.
We're together.
You got to press it a few times.
Yeah, that's right. be wasted opportunity.
I'm half tempted to just press it myself.
Okay, go on, go on.
Okay.
The only time I get to do this.
The Olivia Kingdom.
Strangely wild?
Yes.
You haven't seen that, and we're going to watch the rest of
Strange New Worlds.
It's um, it, yes, I think it is really, really good.
It's very odd and it's very original trek.
It's very odd. like original Shrek.
And Laan is absolutely hilarious.
I love her so much.
It is a very strange episode and I can imagine it being a divisive
one, but it does the sort of thing that original Trek does and
that Star Trek does a little bit like, you know, Cupid or
something like that.
Oh, so it's like a quirky comedy.
Yes, but it has a real proper.
It resolves one of the long-running plot arcs in series one
involving Dr. Mabenga, and it's really, really properly moving in
a way.
I really like I should definitely do that.
Do you know what?
All right.
I was a bit uncertain, wasn't I?
When we watched Impala for Strangely World, it was about Laon.
I've seen, what, 5 or 6 now?
She's my favourite.
The episode where her and number one were doing the Enterprise
bingo. to try and prove they were hip.
Yeah, they could have fun.
That was some of the funniest comedy, I've seen Star Trek, for
donkeys. honestly.
She's magnificent in this, and you'll know why when you see it
because they absolutely adore one aspect of what she does, but
she's hilarious.
What is the Elysian kingdom in reference to?
So the Elysian Kingdom is a storybook. that Dr. Ma Benge is
reading his daughter, and you remember his daughter is terminally
ill, and he's keeping her transporter patent in the patent buffer
to keep her alive, and then he materialises and he reads her this
story, the Elysian kingdom by Benny Russell.
And, um...
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not gonna tell you how that relates to the story as a whole
but that's what it's based on.
Oh, I can't wait.
It's going to be good.
Let's do it.
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Elysian Kingdom.
Man, I can't believe we want to talk about that for an hour.
Oh my god.
Oh, yeah, I can see you doing it.
Oh, that's sucking.
What are we?
Oh my, it's my topic.
I'm hungry.
So I'm in my pyjamas.
And I'm in a dressing gown.
Yeah.
But I frequently am, you know, these things.
Yeah, I know.
At least wearing pants.
God knows what I'm wearing in the other ones.
So we've done this.
That's Demons, the visitor.
Oh, God.
There's 2 wanking his horn.
Notice that there's 2 episodes on this 10 10 episodes per...
I think it's 10.
No, maybe it's...
Maybe it's, yeah, but 2 of them have, uh, product, uh, lower
decks.
I think we have to do a Kurtzman track.
Because we've only done lower decks.
Oh yeah, there he is.
Yeah, that's not max and that's not Alban, is it?
No, who is that?
Okay, let's do a live action, Kurtzman.
Even weirder, you know, is not just going back from the battle to
that episode in series 7.
Yes, those 2 Ferengi in Menage a Trois, who then turn up in
Voyager, in Series 3.
It's the same 2 actors.
Yeah, it's just, they're going from the Bazan wormhole and then
they're all...
Okay.
I mean, I hate that episode.
I just know you're gonna love it when we watch it.
Discovery.
Oh, we're doing Kurtz.
Okay.
Oh, you want to take the 1st 3 away?
We just do strange new worlds.
No, you just keep doing.
Because there's only 10 Strange New Worlds episodes.
And we've done 2 of them.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, we have some time.
Okay. those odds will be another 15 years before we get to do
another one.
Okay.
All right, it's the end of the episode.