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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, tonight we are watching an episode of Lower Decks, it's the

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least dangerous game, which is series 3, episode two, I want to

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say.

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And this is the culmination of your trek through Lower Decks.

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Oh boy, have I been?

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Yeah, I don't know why.

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Just randomly, one day, I was like, right, fine.

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Today's the day.

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I had a day off and I was like, I'm going to watch every lower

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decks episodes I haven't seen.

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And I watched, essentially, the bulk of season two, apart from

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what we had done commentaries on and the bulk.

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I don't know, Adam, we had done a commentary on anything from

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season three.

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And I watched up until the Deep Space 91 all in one day.

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Like, I just kept going.

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And they weren't a duffer there.

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I mean, it was blissfully good.

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And may I say I have a new favourite episode of Kurtzman Trek?

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Can you guess what that is?

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No.

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Oh, is it the Deep Space 9 episode?

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I really like that one.

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No, it wasn't that one.

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It was an embarrassment of duplers.

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Oh, God, that's good.

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He's so great.

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I remember.

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Who's playing that duplo?

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Because who's...

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I know.

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Well, it was a recognisable voice.

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And that Joe, where they multiply when they're socially

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embarrassed.

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It just got, but it was basically the triple gang, but to such an

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extreme.

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It was so funny.

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Some of the people from Futurama.

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Names like Phil Lamar and Morris Lamarsh and stuff are kind of

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familiar. so it's possible that it's them, but they're proper sort

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of cartoon actors.

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And one of the things that I love about the Deep Space 9 episode

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is how and our visitor absolutely just plays her character like a

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cartoon character rather than, uh, like, you know, and the, that

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the thing between her and Shaq's trying to sort of outbajor each

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other about. so good.

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So treendous.

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I think what I learned to appreciate as well.

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Far more watching it in order is the character relationships and

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how much you've come to care about these people as you go through

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the season.

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Because when season 2 ended, it has Mariner's mother, what's her

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name?

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Captain Freeman.

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Thank you very much, you're much better with these names than me

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being arrested.

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And then the whole of series 3, episode one is them attempting in

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a terrible way to try and free her.

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But I realised, man, I got royal emotional involvement with these

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cartoon characters.

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It's astonishing.

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Yeah, no, really, really fun.

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Oh, and may I say, also mathematically precise?

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Perfect redemption.

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That was such a brilliant episode of Star Trek.

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Like taking something so daft, an evil exocomp, essentially. and

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doing something just completely...

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I thought we were out of original ideas in Star Trek, that was

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completely original.

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And the ending where the X-Con still turned out to be a complete

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fucking asshole.

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It's amazing.

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So great.

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She's going to team up with evil computer Wayune in series four, I

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hope.

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Oh, no, try and get her revenge.

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So who is your favourite of the 4 kind of leads, the 4 lower

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deckers?

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I can't help how this, like, extreme amount of empathy for

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Boimla.

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He tries so hard.

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Like, like Mariner's really cool and Tendee and what's the other

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one?

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Rothers?

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Rutherford.

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Yeah, they're really, really sweet.

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But boiler man is such a useless geek, isn't it?

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I love him so much.

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It's great, isn't it?

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I have a massive soft spot for Tendee just because she's so

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enthusiastic.

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She loves everything so much and she is sort of sweet and funny

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but I love all of them.

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What about the um, the 4 kind of bridge officers?

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Oh, I think I said in the previous episode, the caps, the vocal

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performance.

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Who plays the captain?

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I can't remember her name actually.

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And I saw a photo of her sort of reasonably recently.

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And I think she is sort of terrifically cool.

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I can't remember.

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We'll see... such a good performance because it tows that line

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between sort of cartoon character and like Star Trek captain

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really well and grounds of show brilliantly.

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But I think Shacks is my favourite of the brew room.

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And they are saying the scene where he runs through the ship

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because he finally gets to, is it set?

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No, eject the warp cord.

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Eject the warp core.

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So happy, isn't he?

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This is my moment.

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Yes.

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And they're all going, what?

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So great.

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He has a habit of calling Rutherford Baby Bear, which I just think

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is absolutely adorable and just a little bit hot, actually.

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But none of the characters are... a cut under. like they're all

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really likeable and really fun to watch.

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So no matter who you're following in an episode, you're kind of

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guaranteed a win.

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And I've got to say the consistency on this show to just purely

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entertain.

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I actually think it probably, in terms of hit rate, it puts, I'm

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gonna say so bold now, every other Star Trek show in the shade.

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I don't think anyone was expecting that with lower decks, but...

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No, not every episode is revolutionary.

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Some of them are better than others, but they're all really fun

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and they're all really watchable.

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And you can't say that about every Star Trek show.

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No, no, and certainly not the previous animated show, which is

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consistent.

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No, but I think it's worth mentioning.

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We've done some pretty dough Voyager DS9, TNG episodes on this

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podcast already, you know.

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We haven't done a Duff Lower Decks.

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No, and I think that I think the thing too that shines through is

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just how much they love Star Trek, like just how well they know it

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and how much they adore it and even the stupid bits.

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And like this episode, I think that we're about to watch, you know

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has elements of rise.

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Yeah, I mean, come on. about leaning into the shittiest parts of

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the franchise.

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That's right.

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But also there's elements of justice.

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There's, you know, lots of original series, kind of stuff down on

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the planet.

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It is really, really, absolutely delighted by how stupid Star Trek

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can be, and it leans into it.

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Do you remember what I said to you when we did darkling about how

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if Rice had had like 50 times the budget, then maybe it would have

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worked.

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Well, I'm telling you now, the sequence where she skydives off the

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platform at the top of this planet and the sort of, I keep saying

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the camera in animation.

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But you know what?

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When the camera goes from the interior, um, what's the thing

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called a platform out into space?

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and it's like a vertical shot down in animation.

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No, it's incredible.

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I was so impressed.

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Yeah, amazing.

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And then we have the um, then we have the A plot or the B plot, one

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of those.

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It gets the title, I think, the least dangerous game, which is

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Bohemler and Tendi.

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And that's a different pairing from what we normally get.

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We normally get Mariner and Boimler and Tendian, Rutherford.

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But I quite like Boimler and Tendi.

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And this plot about Boimler deciding to change his approach to

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becoming a captain is so great.

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The thing that struck me was both plots. had character payoff.

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Like big character payoff.

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The, the, let's say the A plot is the boymer plot, because that's

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the title.

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Um, you know, is him learning to seize opportunities and stop

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being such a big, you know, shy crybaby and actually embrace new

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challenges and look where it gets you.

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And the B plot is Mariner and oh, good grief.

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Help me out.

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Mariner and Rutherford.

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Oh, ransom.

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Marin Ransom.

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No, Mariner Ransom, actually learning a bit of self-respect for

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each other.

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And him then admitting at the end, yeah, I don't like it when you

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talk back to me and you don't respect me.

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And they both had carrot and payoff.

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So it's not just a load of fluff, you know, this material does

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have a point.

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Yeah, it's surprisingly.

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Fantastic, lower dicks.

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I'm surprised it doesn't get more acclaimed.

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And I think people like it.

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But I think people considering sort of what the less around of

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Cosmetric.

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Yeah, as if it's disposable.

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But I think maybe the best thing about Kurtzman Trek is that each

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show has its own identity, 90s trek is a bit of a piece, certainly

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in the look of it, and the way that it's produced and the way that

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it's directed, even if the approach is a little bit different on

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Deep Space 9 at least, they all kind of look the same.

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These shows are all set in different time periods.

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They all have different kind of genres and different approaches to

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serialisation.

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They all look incredible, but they all look vastly different.

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And I think that's really fun.

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That's the thing that I've liked most about this new golden age.

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Star Trek that we're experiencing.

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The best thing about lower decks is.

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This is nice trek with a budget, you know?

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Yeah.

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And although I did notice in that DS9 episode, you know, apart

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from that piss tape where they're going around the pylons in a

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nice sedate pace.

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They were actually shooting that episode.

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Sorry, they were doing the animation in the style of DS9.

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So they weren't trying to make it to the camera the camera work in

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inverted commas. wasn't too exciting or pacy.

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They were kind of doing a bit of and shoot down the promenade.

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And I thought, yeah, that's quite nice.

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Yeah, it's it's kind of very respectful for the of the past.

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But it also is very aware it's being made now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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Let's do it.

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Oh, wait.

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Do you know what?

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I think this may be now my 2nd show.

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You know, I told you that TOS is when we roll a TOS.

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That's the one I get most excited about doing now.

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Because I'm discovering a lot about TOS that I just adore

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especially when I'm talking about it with you.

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I mean, boy, I've heard back, I'll travel a triple episode too

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many times now.

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But this is my 2nd favourite, I think now, when we get lower

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decks.

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Okay, as excited.

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It's really great.

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All right.

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Here goes.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this itent that they do for all the new Star Trek shows, it's

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the Enterprise, like the original Enterprise from Strange New

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Worlds, normally, but for this show, it's the Cerritos.

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It's a, it's a, I've also been watching cartoon.

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Stranger movies as well.

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But we'll get into that another time.

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Yeah.

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So he is J.G. Hertzler.

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It's Marvel.

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Yes.

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And you know what?

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He's going. he's going full on Martok, isn't he?

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Well, you remember these games?

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Like you used to get like a videotape or something and it would be

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so they're kind of playing a role-playing game being Klingons and

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it's a sort of dice and board game, but it's got a video element

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as well.

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And look at that.

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They're all cosplaying, which is kind of delightful.

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And that's that just leading into the fact that Star Trek people

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are nerds, yeah.

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They are a bunch of geeks for them.

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That's what we love them. because they're us.

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Yeah exactly.

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You know what, right?

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I watched this episode with Marlborough.

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And apart from saying at the end, well, what the hell are you

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going to talk about that for 25 minutes?

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So the bit that made him laugh the most was at the end where

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Martok goes, if you want to keep playing this game, download the

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expansion pack.

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Yeah, pay extra.

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Oh, here we go.

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A strong contender for my favourite title sequence.

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Mm, I, my current favourite title sequence is Prodigy because the

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music is so amazing.

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Well, and all of the sort of the carrotal innings in that type of

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sequence as well.

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But I just love, I just, this has got like the sedate, um, you

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know, ship going across beautiful landscapes, but taking the piss

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out of it brilliantly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So in series 3, we've added a crystalline entity to that show.

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We did have crystalline entities appear at the end of series two

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remember?

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No, it was in the episode that we did, isn't it?

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The one where that the assessment that woman comes on board and

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puts them all through the holodeck?

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Oh, go about.

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What about that alien sucking on the ass of the Sarita?

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What is it?

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I don't know.

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Oh, has there never been an episode with it?

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No, no.

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No, no, no.

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Look at that figure.

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The little figure in front of a computer holding the bat left up

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those little figures in the hex things.

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A Klingon woman holding her bat left aloft.

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Awesome.

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And they've got their D20 and everything.

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It's so great.

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I love the fact that um, boilers used to be a coward in the game

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and Martoc basically kills him.

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And then at the end of it, he chooses to be bold and say, wow, I've

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learned a lesson to be bold now.

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And he kills him anyway.

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Yeah, but he doesn't get like it's none of that sort of he ends up

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being a dentist or something.

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You know, like it's like it's not an honourable deaf in at the

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beginning because he tries to coward his way out of it.

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Because this is, I mean, this is where the plots come together

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isn't it?

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Like this intro kind of talks about the character issues.

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So Mariner has been put on probation and is being kind of ridden

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by ransom as a result of last week's episode, which was called

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grounded.

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And that's an ongoing plot here.

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And then bold Boimla.

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His decision to actually decide to do things rather than be a

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coward about them.

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That goes on for the rest of the series. and they're both

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introduced here Well, that drawing on the wall was all about.

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Can you see that?

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Of the 4 of them?

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No.

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No, the sequoia thing at the back?

335
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Yeah, I don't know what that is one of those things still previous

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episode.

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I think that's Tendi.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. is them, isn't it?

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Because it's 2 red shirts and tandy is green with a blue shirt.

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I currently has got a dreadful, like, Klingon headpiece and wig on

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and may I say, I have seen worse cosplay in conventions.

342
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Yeah, it is terrible, it is terrible cosplay.

343
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So this is the thing that gets Boimler going.

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One of the minor characters from series one and two, who is a sort

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of pudgy Bolian, who is silly and gets into sort of like he's a

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sort of butt of comedy jokes and stuff.

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He's now been promoted to captain after his captain, was hit by a

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time thing and regressed into being a baby, which is just a normal

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thing that happens on Star Trek.

350
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That's every other board, isn't it?

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that's right.

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So now he's a now he's a captain.

353
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Oh, this way, it's a small caveat.

354
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The way they do that, they throw away these plots of dreadful 90s

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trailer episodes in one liners.

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Just makes me howl every time.

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So good.

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But it's always that thing too, that you sort of think, well, you

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know, like an individual Star Trek episode kind of makes sense in

360
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it on its own, but when you think about the fact that this is

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happening to them every week, you know, like or every 2 weeks

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something just preposterous and high concept happens, it's

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ridiculous and this absolutely plays into that.

364
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In the in the Voyager episode rise, that phenomenal classic that

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one day will get to.

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Um, the orbital weapon platform is uh, realised by a dodgy piece

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of CGI.

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And then when they're outside, it's them standing on a studio

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platform with this appalling cloud sky behind them, I mean, it

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looks so fake.

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We've come a long way, haven't we?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I actually have to say that I didn't think rise was quite

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as bad as I expected when I watched it recently.

375
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Well, you take that with Jerry Ryan then, all right?

376
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Yeah, yeah, it is terrible, but it has a sort of plot thing about

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how everyone is being mean to Neelix or how Tuvok in particular is

378
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being mean to Neelix and that's a...

379
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It's too late in the relationship for that to come.

380
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That should have been resolved by now.

381
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There, there's...

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Oh, my God.

383
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Don't you remember?

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They send these 2 down to the planet, don't they, to make contact

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with these people that are absolutely obsessed with health and

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well-being.

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And they worship a baby, a computer and a volcano.

388
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, because there's a there's a line.

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It's like we think it's a, uh, you know, a sentient computer or a

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baby, like a psychic baby.

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It turns out it's both.

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Look at this hot guy who's off to play.

394
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Is that, what's that game?

395
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Is that spring ball?

396
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Oh, yeah, that's from Big Space.

397
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Bashir and O'Brien play it. episode about it.

398
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Oh, it's really boring.

399
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Have you seen it?

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Rivals?

401
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and you've got Cole Meaney in that kind of spandex?

402
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Yeah.

403
00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.359
Well, this guy looks better in that spandex.

404
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Oh, he does.

405
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So this is him being bold, boimless.

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So he immediately rejects the idea of going because they're sort

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of big and muscular and he's going to get beaten up.

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Here he is absolutely lying on the floor completely spent and

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beaten up and he impresses shacks.

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But you know what we love is how they managed to get him from one

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thing to another.

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So here is him screaming like a massive baby.

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So he goes, oh, we do these appalling Bajoran dirges.

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Why don't you come and join the choir.

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As a soprano.

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Jesus Christ.

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You hear it when they're all going, oh, my God.

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It's so funny.

419
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But you know what?

420
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weeping as well.

421
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Yeah, they're weeping and making that.

422
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Dreary noise.

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Do you know why?

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They're taking a piss out of all those dreary DS9 episodes.

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Bajor, aren't they?

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But the other thing too, did you see on the on the door of that

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room?

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It's designated choir room 3, which indicates that there's at

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least 2 other choir rooms.

430
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It's always that thing where, you know, on Star Trek, the next

431
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generation, they're having a string quartet because of course they

432
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are.

433
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Oh, he's Lundy, who's a creepy girl.

434
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Comes out of shadows.

435
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And what does he want him to do?

436
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can't remember.

437
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He says, what have you ever been painted in oil, wasn't he?

438
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Oh, yes.

439
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We need a skeletal boy.

440
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Doesn't he say we need a skeletal boy to model friend?

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I love the fact that in all of these Israel, every point where

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they're complimenting him, or basically want him on board.

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Everyone still insults him.

444
00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.779
Oh, you seem like a baby.

445
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Oh, you're a skinny kid, you know?

446
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That's right.

447
00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.240
Look at his arse.

448
00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

449
00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:53.220
Well, he actually resolves the episode by taking off his shirt and

450
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they're so impressed by how ripped he is.

451
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Is he wrong?

452
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Did he turned on by cartoon?

453
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Nope, nope.

454
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Oh, I don't want to be right.

455
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Because I had strange falls at this episode.

456
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And look, so they kiss with tongue rather than shaking hands, which

457
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is just a reference to justice, isn't it?

458
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Like we, they say hello on the justice planet.

459
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It is justice, but there's also a race. in TNG where they're all

460
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coloured a bit orange.

461
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Do you remember?

462
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With white wig.

463
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So they're kind of they're kind of taken a piss out of every.

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And do you know what they're called?

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The Chualans.

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Yeah.

467
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So there is an episode.

468
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Did you see the episode where Billips's mother comes on board and

469
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tries to get him laid?

470
00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.519
That was hilariously good.

471
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She's got a spaceship.

472
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There's like an old-fashioned castle, wasn't she?

473
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Yeah, yeah.

474
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They're like mediaeval and it's run by sort of dragon energy.

475
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It was all stars.

476
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She sounds like this, wasn't she?

477
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I will I will make you have sex.

478
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She is someone really big, I think.

479
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I seem to remember that.

480
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It was so funny.

481
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Because there's a reference to that here because it's like, you

482
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know, don't get yourself made into a king Billips, because if

483
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Billips has sex, he has to take over the throne of his planet.

484
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And so he's down there with all of these hot people and he has to

485
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not have sex.

486
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I have to say, too, that the, she tries to get him laid by having

487
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a hot guy and a hot girl in his quarters. and they're both

488
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ridiculously hot and it's kind of like, wow, that's...

489
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I just, all I want to play above with is a warp core.

490
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:26.700
So great.

491
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All right.

492
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So this guy, just saying, he goes, look, being in Starfleet isn't

493
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all about being fed exotic fruit by people with weirdly...

494
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Slightly different nose ridges.

495
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Even they've noticed, not his trek, but the latex is just a little

496
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bit different every week.

497
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Well, do you remember last time when we did Darkling, they were

498
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like Bajorans only with slightly different nose ridges?

499
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Like, it's absolutely that.

500
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You watched Warlord, where they had the extra nostril.

501
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Lots of extra nostrils.

502
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So this guy is great.

503
00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:03.779
So we have had races that exist for the hunt and I think, you know

504
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the Hirogen, the kind of main ones.

505
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.900
And I think we may have seen Hirogen in Kurtzman Trekken, maybe

506
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even in this, but Cranch, who is much scarier.

507
00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:15.420
Isn't that great animation?

508
00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.299
I just think it's so simple. what it reminds me of.

509
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.039
It reminds me of a character from Tron.

510
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:24.240
He's got those sort of, you know, those neon bars all over him.

511
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:25.500
Yeah, yeah.

512
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But he's so witty as well.

513
00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:30.960
I love the bit where it is chasing her through the corridor and

514
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.140
the captain goes, oh, yeah, I had a marvellous brunch with him

515
00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:34.440
earlier.

516
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.119
He's quite a charmer, you know.

517
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.240
But they made up, remember?

518
00:22:39.420 --> 00:22:42.839
She actually, while he's being hunted.

519
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:45.779
She runs into him and has a chat with him about brunch and stuff.

520
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.799
It's just adorable.

521
00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:50.160
So and then it turns out he's even more terrifying.

522
00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:54.359
The whole thing is basically the move-along home twist, isn't it?

523
00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:56.759
It's like no one, he wasn't in danger at all.

524
00:22:56.819 --> 00:23:02.160
Although he does get stabbed and he does suffer permanent nerve

525
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.299
damage in his shoulder from being stabbed, but it was all worth

526
00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:06.420
it.

527
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.640
She said my shoulder might never be the same again, but...

528
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:14.579
Do you notice that the people who serve in the Cerrito spa are

529
00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:19.380
wearing the outfit that that guy wears in lower decks, the Star

530
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:22.019
Trek, the Next Generation episode?

531
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:23.880
Didn't, but I can see it now.

532
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:24.599
Yes.

533
00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.099
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:26.759
Do you know what?

535
00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:27.779
I always forget about that.

536
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:31.019
I always forget that was the basically the progenitor of this show

537
00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:31.500
wasn't it?

538
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:32.279
Yeah.

539
00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:35.099
Well, it's again, it's 4 characters, isn't it?

540
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:40.019
Yeah, so Gower, the Bajoran, the dreadful one is trying to suck up

541
00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:43.380
to Riker all the time and then the barkeeper guy, yeah.

542
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.180
No, no, no, no.

543
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.700
There's a, the barkeeper is the 5th one.

544
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.859
The other ones are Vulcan, remember?

545
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:50.819
Oh, yeah.

546
00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:51.839
Oh, very serious.

547
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:54.660
He's played by the same guy who plays Vorrick in Vorrick.

548
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.380
Voyager.

549
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.420
It's not Vorrick, but it's the same actor.

550
00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:59.400
Gosh, it's good.

551
00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:00.539
It's really good episode.

552
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:01.200
Oh, look.

553
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:05.339
So what happened is they went into the temple or something, but

554
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:09.539
they weren't showing their belly buttons, and so now they're

555
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:10.859
trying to get out of it.

556
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.779
They literally holding up their uniform, aren't they?

557
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:13.380
Yeah, yeah.

558
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.160
But I think, I think one of them has an outie that really upsets

559
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.000
them, uh, upsets the Du Orleans or whatever.

560
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:24.960
So, and all of this is just really terrific, isn't it?

561
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:29.940
Because just to make a point, ransom hasn't allowed her to go down

562
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:33.480
and, you know, she would solve the problem and even ransom.

563
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.740
I mean, when they do go down, they do solve the problem and

564
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.819
they're doing the things that obviously Billips and Rutherford

565
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:42.599
should be doing.

566
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:43.980
Look at this guy.

567
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.839
So he's sleeping hanging from the seat.

568
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:46.559
No, he's not.

569
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:48.240
He looks so terrifying.

570
00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:49.140
He's really good.

571
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:54.420
And now he's smearing his face with blood or red paint or

572
00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:54.720
something.

573
00:24:57.779 --> 00:24:59.160
This was the other time.

574
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.779
I've laughed in the episode.

575
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.480
It was a bit where he came it was going across the ceiling.

576
00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:04.440
He just came.

577
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.519
And I thought you couldn't have an original corridor scene in Star

578
00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:11.279
Trek anymore, but no, there's lower decks.

579
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.299
They can afford to have them go on the ceiling in a way that they

580
00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:18.119
couldn't in a minute for this piece of animation where she dives

581
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.059
off the platform. is extraordinary.

582
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:25.559
Like I was like, there must be there must have been like some

583
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:26.220
computer.

584
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.599
Yeah, I know they're always CGI as well, don't they, in this?

585
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.140
Yeah.

586
00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:33.779
Do you know what?

587
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.319
His vocal performance is so funny, even when he screams, he makes

588
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.380
me laugh. hilarious.

589
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.900
Yeah, that's it going along the ceiling.

590
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.819
And I love...

591
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:47.339
Oh yeah, that woman who opens the door and then she just shuts it

592
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:48.059
again.

593
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.920
Fuck me.

594
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.119
Get involved.

595
00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:57.720
And did you see the original one then with the um, with the

596
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.099
dolphins?

597
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.079
I think it's towards the end of series one.

598
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.839
And it's super weird.

599
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:07.079
It's a little bit like having the Tardigrade in early discovery

600
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.099
but they've got a whole system of things that is run by dolphins

601
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:11.880
which is hilarious.

602
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:12.240
Here we go.

603
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.140
Dolphins.

604
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.359
That guy is such a drama magnet.

605
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:22.319
When the episode ended, Mahock turned to me and he went, what were

606
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.220
the dolphins all about?

607
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:29.220
No, but you know me and you know I like I like it when Star Trek

608
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.480
does non-humanoid characters.

609
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:31.380
Yeah.

610
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:34.079
Even when they didn't get it quite right in Enterprise.

611
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.720
When they tried the turtles, I do really like that in series 3

612
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.200
events.

613
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:39.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:42.180
Yeah, no in the insectoids and stuff.

615
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.720
Imagine her having dinner with that hulking great monster.

616
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:48.480
No, but look, look, look how genial.

617
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:49.980
Look at the conversation that they have now.

618
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.599
Thanks again for the mimosas.

619
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:59.099
And then he's like, wow.

620
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.140
Yeah, here we go.

621
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.900
So Lieutenant Billips is the one who had an outie and that's

622
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:04.859
really upset them.

623
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.519
And so now he's being dragged off to be thrown into a volcano.

624
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.519
And even that, you know, when we go down, when we're on the planet

625
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.220
and we actually see them like atop the volcano.

626
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.519
The animation there as well was visually stunning.

627
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.500
Like, this is not a fair budget, right?

628
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:23.099
Lower days.

629
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.079
Yeah, I mean, it's good.

630
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:27.539
The animation is really sort of properly good.

631
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.339
I mean, I expect it does.

632
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.779
I mean, you and I, you know, Doctor Who's been animated, the lost

633
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:34.920
episodes have been animated.

634
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.319
And boy, 0 boy, I mean, nothing like this, does it?

635
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:37.980
They're rough.

636
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:39.900
Yeah, they don't have much of a budget.

637
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.039
Oh, here we go.

638
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:41.460
Here we go.

639
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

640
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.319
She's going over the edge.

641
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.400
Oh, and it's so funny because she gets halfway down and then he

642
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.799
says to her, right, I'm sorry.

643
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:51.839
I should have we should have gone down to the planet to help

644
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.140
them.

645
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.420
She's already halfway down in her sky suit.

646
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.480
So I just got to climb up the bloody...

647
00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:00.059
It's so exciting, isn't it?

648
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.660
Here we go.

649
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.920
Yeah, she has to climb up. climb up the entire bloody tower just

650
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.660
to pretend as if she hasn't jumped off.

651
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.339
It's so funny.

652
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.420
It's really good character stuff too, isn't it?

653
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:17.039
Because the thing with Mariner is she's so competent, she's so

654
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.519
incredibly good at everything and usually much better at

655
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:25.019
everything than the person who's giving her orders.

656
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.920
And so her, you know, what she's always tempted to do is just take

657
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.319
it into her own hands and she's constantly getting trouble for

658
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:31.500
that.

659
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.359
And she's done that.

660
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.380
Ooh, ow.

661
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.779
You know, people that made me laugh, though. made me laugh out

662
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:40.019
loud.

663
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:43.019
It wasn't so much her climbing back up, although it was funny.

664
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.920
It was the gag where it's like, right, come on, we're going, you

665
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:48.900
know, we can't, the platform's not working.

666
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.519
We're gonna have to use the suits.

667
00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:53.579
And then when she's going down, she's she's snoring because she's

668
00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:54.059
knackered.

669
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:55.740
Yeah, calming back out.

670
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.319
And then it wakes her up because the parachute shoots her up in

671
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:01.559
the air.

672
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.640
Yeah, yeah.

673
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.619
So good.

674
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.420
And I said to you before, you know, I don't know.

675
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.460
I don't know if I said it to you when we were doing a 90s trek

676
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.980
episode or when we were doing a lower decks episode.

677
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.220
How much they pack into 22.5 minutes.

678
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.079
Oh, yeah, yeah.

679
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.180
That's what I really love about it.

680
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.839
You know, like I love show going for 20 something minutes.

681
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:28.440
I just watched all of the end of Prodigy and just, you know, like

682
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:33.539
it's just in and out and lots of things happen and you can't get

683
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:34.079
bored.

684
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:34.859
I think it's a good time.

685
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.440
A good 90s trek episode.

686
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:42.420
You know, it will use its time extremely well and intelligently to

687
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.259
explore its ideas, but we've watched enough where we're like, yeah

688
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:48.180
this could do with being 22.5 in this long.

689
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.079
Quite a few we've done on this, you know.

690
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.740
So the hunter has become the hunted.

691
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:56.460
No, the hunter.

692
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.720
Yeah, that's right. as usual.

693
00:29:57.779 --> 00:29:58.440
Oh, God.

694
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.000
And that's the other thing about this.

695
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.099
It's so violent, isn't it?

696
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:04.079
It's like amazingly violent.

697
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.299
It's spectacularly violent sometimes. very graphic.

698
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.299
Like, we keep coming back to him, but blood just keeps spurting

699
00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:09.839
out of the wound.

700
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:11.220
Yeah, I know.

701
00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:13.200
It's not gonna make me die here.

702
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:16.859
Not only was him taking the selfie for the boys back home.

703
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.140
Yeah, yeah.

704
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.779
But it was when he goes, I've got some notes for you.

705
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:27.599
It's that the thing where he's holding out this thing which we

706
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.900
think he's going to use to finish him off with, but in fact, it's

707
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:32.519
just his selfie stick.

708
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:37.500
Like, I think that's...

709
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.220
You know, if you're going to become the hunter, you know, don't do

710
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.500
it too much or at least do something in opposite with it, you

711
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:43.680
know?

712
00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:49.440
But again, look, now he does get in with a cat.

713
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:52.079
Oh, look at that, the one more for the boys back home, which is

714
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.960
him taking a photo of himself and Boheem unconscious, stabbed by

715
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.180
just...

716
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:03.000
So that's that plot effectively done, isn't it?

717
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:04.859
So we've got some time now with the other.

718
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.880
And that's the other thing.

719
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.380
They pace these things brilliantly.

720
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.799
I think they know when enough is enough, you know?

721
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:11.700
Yeah.

722
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.380
Well, this is very near the end.

723
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:17.099
Like, I know there's a lot to do, but basically it's just the

724
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:21.599
climactic scene, um, you know, down on the planet in front of the

725
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:22.259
volcano.

726
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.119
Yeah, here we go.

727
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.240
He's skydiving down again.

728
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.579
Yeah, sorry.

729
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:33.599
Sorry, it took me so long.

730
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.799
I had to pop to the little boys' room.

731
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:36.480
Yeah, yeah.

732
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.779
It's so funny too, and it's that usual cartoon thing where she's

733
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:43.140
sweating and clearly exhausted and he doesn't notice, of course

734
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.160
because, you know, that's kind of the whole point. where she's

735
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:47.519
snoring.

736
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:52.380
And you're right.

737
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.259
Look, so actually, it's not her as competent this time, is it?

738
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.680
He realises this is the one time he can be massively competent

739
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.480
because he's so ripped, you know?

740
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

741
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:03.420
So they respect his wellness.

742
00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:05.220
So all he has to do is he show.

743
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.660
Look how beautiful he is.

744
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:08.460
Yeah.

745
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:09.359
Yeah.

746
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:12.000
The psychic baby.

747
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:13.440
The baby's got the voice.

748
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.920
Like the evil computers from original Star Trek.

749
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

750
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.359
There was some, was it ransom criticising them for just it being

751
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.140
too much, like it's a censured baby and, did you notice?

752
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.019
you think that's overkill or something?

753
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.559
Yeah, yeah.

754
00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:36.539
See the sun thing?

755
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.420
So there's a sun symbol that appears on all of the things.

756
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:40.500
It's on the computer.

757
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.779
It's everywhere on the thing.

758
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.180
And that's a belly button, it turns out.

759
00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:46.680
Like that's...

760
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.500
Well, no, even the sort of the hole of the altar there.

761
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.000
It was like a big fan as well.

762
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:56.579
Yeah, they've got their belly buttons painted.

763
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.420
There's ransom.

764
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.420
We get a shot just up his sweaty pocket.

765
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.279
Oh my god.

766
00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.680
He can bounce me like a baseball any day.

767
00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:05.759
I'm telling you now.

768
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.099
Jerry O'Connell, honestly.

769
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.960
Move over Captain Archer.

770
00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:11.700
There's a new alpha male in town.

771
00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:13.799
Yeah, absolutely.

772
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.519
I really like ransom because he's also kind of an idiot.

773
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:21.359
Well, do you know what's a joy as well, is because these are short

774
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.660
episodes, yeah, is that they can just do these like blinking your

775
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:27.660
missing climaxes. like, you know, just throw away climaxes.

776
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.900
Yeah, well, you know, we kind of be going, oh, really?

777
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.819
We've done 45 minutes for that.

778
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.299
No, actually here we've done what, maybe 8.5 minutes on this

779
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:36.599
plot.

780
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.140
That's fine.

781
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.460
Yeah, yeah.

782
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:38.940
Yeah.

783
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.900
Yeah.

784
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:44.099
Oh, save it for your personal log, man.

785
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.319
You were you were really impressive down there.

786
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:48.000
That's nice Yeah.

787
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:49.740
Yeah, that is kind of nice.

788
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.799
But yes, he's being a dick about it and she's, there we go.

789
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:54.599
So ransom's a dick and I hate him.

790
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.099
She says that she walks back in.

791
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.519
He's flicking, his muscles going, yeah, I was pretty impressive

792
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.000
wasn't I?

793
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.920
Oh, see, now look, we've got a bookend scene, which is where we

794
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.059
started with them playing the game.

795
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:10.199
Yeah, yeah. kids what we learned this week.

796
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:10.619
Yeah.

797
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.800
Well, exactly that, but that is literally it.

798
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:19.440
Um, that they are careful because this is a cartoon.

799
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:23.519
I think because it's part of a kind of genre that you have to have

800
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:25.980
learned something through an episode and they're careful to do

801
00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:26.519
that every week.

802
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:29.400
I think that might have been a comment on J.G. Hearst's

803
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.280
performance, you know, where she said, they've really programmed

804
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:34.800
this with full intense Martoc mode, haven't they?

805
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

806
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:39.780
He didn't tend to nauseous teeth quite a lot, didn't he?

807
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.119
He's so great.

808
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.099
I don't do a bad Martok, you know.

809
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:50.519
So, oh, no, it's so he does die dishonourably as he walks into the

810
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.139
bar and demands blood wine.

811
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.079
He gets killed and it's a dishonourable death, but he doesn't

812
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:55.380
care.

813
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.820
It's a dishonourable death because you died by your own hand

814
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:01.679
because it's been ripped off and strangled you.

815
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:08.340
So is the Sequoia must be there, um, shuttle.

816
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.460
They're like, they've drawn on the actual shuttle.

817
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:12.659
I do have a bit of a scrub up.

818
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.980
Yeah, yeah.

819
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.000
So, concerts, I love it a bit, isn't he?

820
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:19.500
Hertz was in it a few times.

821
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.039
So he plays one of the aliens in a mathematically perfect

822
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.179
redemption as well.

823
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.280
So he's not just playing Martoc.

824
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.559
They do get him back to do other staff.

825
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.000
So good.

826
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:31.199
I just know it's fun.

827
00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:32.880
I'm gonna say something that's not about the episode at all.

828
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:33.960
Do you remember that beginning, right?

829
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:36.480
I think it sums up lower decks beautifully, where they're standing

830
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.179
outside the ship in space suits.

831
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.699
And then they zoom off without...

832
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.539
It goes off without them.

833
00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:44.219
They'll never go off without us.

834
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:44.639
Yeah.

835
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:48.119
And then it says, oh, well, Kendi, Kendi, ever the optimist goes

836
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.880
well, I'm sure they'll be back in 5 minutes, isn't it?

837
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.639
6.5 hours later. and they've all nearly died of oxygen

838
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:54.420
starvation.

839
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.039
Yeah, yeah. all in Sick Bay.

840
00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:59.880
You know, I think it really, truly...

841
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.300
It does something really exceptional in that it...

842
00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:07.800
It takes all of that madness from 90s trick and so much.

843
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.099
I look at darkling, the Jekyll and Hyde episode, which was, you

844
00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:16.380
know, fucking absurd, but nobody's laughing at how absurd is, you

845
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:16.619
know?

846
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:22.860
And it's almost easy to cherry pick absurd things from 90s trick

847
00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:25.019
and bring them into this show.

848
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.000
And they're just running with it.

849
00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:28.860
I mean, I think it's gone from a strength to strength.

850
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.920
One was good, 2 was better from what I've seen of free.

851
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.940
It's the best so far.

852
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.679
I've not seen to the end of three.

853
00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:37.260
So I don't know what the 2nd half of that season's like yet.

854
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.539
Yeah. well, I mean, it's great.

855
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.219
It is, of course, just superb.

856
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.340
So, yeah, yeah, very exciting.

857
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.579
Does it surprise you that I prefer this to something like

858
00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:53.460
discovery, which is technically like the Star Trek, the flagship.

859
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.840
No, not really.

860
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:56.820
I mean, I watched this.

861
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.059
I've certainly rewatched this more than I rewatched Discovery, and

862
00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:02.940
Discovery's a little bit of an investment, and it's hard to dip in

863
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:07.920
and out because it's so serialised, and the stakes are high, and

864
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.219
sometimes it veers into being a bit overwrought.

865
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.179
But it looks fantastic and, you know, the cast are really

866
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:18.000
incredible and like I think it has done some incredible

867
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.159
storytelling, particularly in the last couple of years.

868
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:23.699
But this is so watchable and so bingeable.

869
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:29.880
It's the Star Trek more than any other Star Trek that I just go

870
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.099
back and watch because it's so much fun.

871
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.780
Like just comfort viewing.

872
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.380
Yeah.

873
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.280
I mean, I always pondered the question because I've got 2 massive

874
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.920
loves and that's Doctor Who and Star Trek.

875
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.460
And I prefer Doctor Who.

876
00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:46.199
And I've been thinking about that lately.

877
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:48.300
Why do I prefer Doctor Who Star Trek?

878
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.579
And I think it's the humour.

879
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.000
I think it's the fact that it has a sense of humour, like not

880
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.079
always, but mostly, and it does take the Mickey out of out of its

881
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:59.460
kind of crazier ideas.

882
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.500
So this version of Star Trek is just custom built for me, because

883
00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:07.139
it is all the wonderful stuff I love about it, character

884
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:10.559
development, and I, you know, I love the characters, there's very

885
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.780
little technobabble in this, so hurrah, um, all the madness and

886
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:19.260
fucking insanity of people turning into lizards and things like

887
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:20.579
that from 90s trick.

888
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.039
And a massive dollar perfumer.

889
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.440
I mean, yeah, yeah, it's paid for me.

890
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.159
And just some great characters and great performances too.

891
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:30.719
Yeah, it's a winner.

892
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:31.260
Yeah.

893
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:32.880
It's a whatever.

894
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:43.320
All right, it's time for us to pick what we're going to do next

895
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:49.500
time, and next time is going to be a very special episode, I

896
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.940
think.

897
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.519
And do you want to tell everyone why that is?

898
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.380
First time ever, since you and I have come into contact with each

899
00:38:58.380 --> 00:38:58.800
other.

900
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:03.360
We will be recording together as you win your way all the way over

901
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.900
from Australia to, I can't believe I was saying these words out

902
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.639
loud, Eastbourne in England.

903
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:12.840
Yep, my gender tourist destination East.

904
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:17.940
Oh, you are, you are well excited about coming here.

905
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.199
Don't you pretend numberwise?

906
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:19.980
I really am.

907
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:20.940
Yeah.

908
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.260
We'll be together.

909
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:23.099
We'll be together.

910
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:24.059
Yeah.

911
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.039
Yeah, for the 1st time ever.

912
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.599
So that's going to be just amazing.

913
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:30.360
And we are going to take a bit of a break because I'm going to be

914
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.099
away for about 3 months, but we will record while we're together

915
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:39.780
and put one out then and I'm really looking forward to that.

916
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.940
So this will be sitting on the same couch watching an episode of

917
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.199
goodness knows what.

918
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.579
What have you chosen for us?

919
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.119
Well, I'm sorry, as ever, I've gone down in the easy room, just

920
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:51.840
put it on.

921
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:52.920
Because I like that.

922
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:53.219
Okay.

923
00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:56.820
I like the fact that when the choices come up, that's so diverse.

924
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.559
Yeah, okay.

925
00:39:58.619 --> 00:39:59.039
All right.

926
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:00.360
Well, let's let's go.

927
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:03.239
Let's see what we're going to watch and pass on. you ready?

928
00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:07.139
Oh, dear God.

929
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.000
It might have to be this one.

930
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:09.719
Oh my god.

931
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:10.619
Oh, goodness.

932
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.179
Where we'll end up with that so far.

933
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:13.440
I don't know after watching this.

934
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.659
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season one

935
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:19.860
episode eight.

936
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.519
Justice.

937
00:40:20.579 --> 00:40:22.679
Oh, yes, absolutely.

938
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:29.639
That'll be 2 episodes in a row where we meet aliens who kiss you

939
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:30.960
instead of saying hello.

940
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:32.880
Well, I think we should cosplay.

941
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:35.099
We should get some Kleenex out and dress up.

942
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.659
Oh, bring the baby oil.

943
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:37.739
Don't worry.

944
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.039
I shall put a nappy on for the occasion.

945
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:43.559
Holy crap.

946
00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:44.820
That's brilliant.

947
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.000
We absolutely have to do it, you know, with deadly nightshade.

948
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:48.599
I can use.

949
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:49.559
Okay, good.

950
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.420
Honestly, we could perfect. whole episode.

951
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.079
Yeah, yeah.

952
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:54.960
And do any of your neighbours have a greenhouse or anything that

953
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.280
we can sort of crash into?

954
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:56.880
I do.

955
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:57.659
Yes, they do.

956
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:58.079
Yep.

957
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.199
I think they're growing weed and not plants, but you know, never

958
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.679
mind.

959
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:03.599
Okay, well, we'll get high while we're doing it.

960
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:07.440
Oh, Nathan, can you think of a more perfectly awful episode to

961
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:08.039
watch together?

962
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:15.059
We've been longing for a series one episode of Star Trek The Next

963
00:41:15.059 --> 00:41:15.539
Generation.

964
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.559
We've done series two, which was a terribly boring episode Manhunt

965
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:24.239
but this, I mean, obviously, they mentioned this episode, every

966
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.059
other week on lower decks, it's so iconically terrible.

967
00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:31.679
I mean, everybody's like bottom five, TNGs, doesn't it?

968
00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:34.019
Oh, God.

969
00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:35.639
I can't have watched it for decades.

970
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.019
That's brilliant.

971
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.059
Out us with the quote then from Beverly Crusher.

972
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:40.559
Yeah, oh yes, go on.

973
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.980
The eater want to execute my son.

974
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.519
I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

975
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:53.400
She is the worst before. you're ever going to say in the Star Trek

976
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.000
episode.

977
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.260
This is going to be great.

978
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.519
Oh, I cannot wait. in person. amazing.

979
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:12.239
I've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

980
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:13.380
and Nathan Bottomley.

981
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.559
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

982
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.900
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

983
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.619
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

984
00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.239
composed by Cameron Lamb.

985
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:28.559
This episode was recorded on the 30th of January 2023 and released

986
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.119
on the 30th of January.

987
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:34.380
We'll see you next time in person for Star Trek the Next

988
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:36.119
Generation, Justice.

989
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:57.119
I didn't watch any more strange new whales, but I did... really

990
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.019
like...

991
00:42:58.019 --> 00:42:59.699
I really like the 1st gall one.

992
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.679
I thought that was good, isn't it?

993
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:03.599
It's a bit like...

994
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:06.900
The fact is, you know, about fuck, no, fuck what happens in it.

995
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.340
Like they're just chased by the ship.

996
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.619
It's like, it's nothing we ain't seen a 1000000 times before.

997
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.780
It's just so well done.

998
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:17.820
Oh, and the transporter, pretty transported Chief Kyle lost his

999
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:20.280
the guy who was hitting on him, got killed, remember?

1000
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:20.760
Oh, yeah.

1001
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.739
And Spock and Mock was good, but I thought the best part of Spock

1002
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.780
and Mock was those 2 on the ship trying to do that.

1003
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.820
Bingo was just...

1004
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.500
Oh, it was so fun.

1005
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:31.860
Amazing.

1006
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.099
The names who don't know how to have fun.

1007
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:37.920
But I love Spock and Mark.

1008
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:41.039
Like, I just thought, oh, shit, we can do body swap stories

1009
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.920
because heard about intruder is canon, so it's a thing that can

1010
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.480
happen in the Star Trek universe.

1011
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.739
And just that thing where one of them says to the captain, oh

1012
00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:53.099
you'll be able to tell from my completely different demeanour that

1013
00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:54.840
I'm not really Spock or whatever.

1014
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.900
Yeah, it was it was really fun.

1015
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.219
That was really fun as well.

1016
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.460
Um, man, that virus one was so boring.

1017
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.019
I turned it off 2 thirds of the way through.

1018
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.300
I can't even remember what happened.

1019
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:08.460
It's really a good B plot.

1020
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:09.960
It's...

1021
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.039
Oh, I can't remember.

1022
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:13.980
I just, I remember, there was a lot of, it reminded me of the

1023
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:18.239
worst excess of 90s track, that one. like babble or something like

1024
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:18.480
that.

1025
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:19.079
Yeah.

1026
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.860
But it seems like for me, it's just like, let's do that with these

1027
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:27.960
production values and on these sets and I just think that's enough

1028
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:28.320
for me.

1029
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.679
I wouldn't want to do that. pretty sheen over a very dreary

1030
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:32.039
episode.

1031
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:33.840
Pretty is good though.

1032
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:35.519
Freddy's important.

1033
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:37.079
Yeah, yeah.

1034
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:37.800
No, it was good.

1035
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:38.340
It was good.

1036
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.300
All right, let's get going because I have to rush.

1037
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.340
Okay.

1038
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.840
This is going to go.

1039
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:48.960
So did you all start with Amazon original, yeah?

1040
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:49.380
Or no?

1041
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:50.699
Paramount original?

1042
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.440
Yeah, it starts with the ID.

1043
00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:56.099
Okay, so...

1044
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:57.780
Yeah, yeah.

1045
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:58.739
Yep, yeah.

1046
00:44:58.800 --> 00:44:59.820
Let me just go back a little bit.

1047
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.800
Okay, yes, obviously, yeah, I'm also the idea.

1048
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:05.639
Brilliant.

1049
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:07.260
Okay.

1050
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.880
Whose son is it to press the button?

1051
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:09.480
Yours.

1052
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.820
It's been so long, I've forgotten.

1053
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:15.840
Okay, great. is it mine?

1054
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:17.460
When you're here.

1055
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:18.360
All right, all right.

1056
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.920
I will tell people that too at the end.

1057
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:21.539
Let's talk about the end.

1058
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:21.780
Yeah.

1059
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.860
All right.

1060
00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:25.079
Am I recording?

1061
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:27.900
Definitely getting better signal.

1062
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.079
I mean, I mean, it's a little fuzzy at times. it's not pausing.

1063
00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:33.599
Yeah, and it will get better. that's the important thing, isn't

1064
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:33.719
it?

1065
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:35.219
It'll get better, I think, too.

1066
00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:37.559
Like sometimes when it starts, it's fuzzy and then it gets

1067
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:37.860
better.

1068
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.119
All right.

1069
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.460
Hey, Joe. Hi.