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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, tonight we are watching an episode of Lower Decks, it's the least dangerous game, which is series 3, episode two, I want to say.

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And this is the culmination of your trek through Lower Decks.

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Oh boy, have I been?

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Yeah, I don't know why.

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Just randomly, one day, I was like, right, fine.

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Today's the day.

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I had a day off and I was like, I'm going to watch every lower decks episodes I haven't seen.

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And I watched, essentially, the bulk of season two, apart from what we had done commentaries on and the bulk.

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I don't know, Adam, we had done a commentary on anything from season three.

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And I watched up until the Deep Space 91 all in one day.

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Like, I just kept going.

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And they weren't a duffer there.

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I mean, it was blissfully good.

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And may I say I have a new favourite episode of Kurtzman Trek?

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Can you guess what that is?

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No.

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Oh, is it the Deep Space 9 episode?

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I really like that one.

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No, it wasn't that one.

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It was an embarrassment of duplers.

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Oh, God, that's good.

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He's so great.

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I remember.

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Who's playing that duplo?

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Because who's...

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I know.

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Well, it was a recognisable voice.

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And that Joe, where they multiply when they're socially embarrassed.

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It just got, but it was basically the triple gang, but to such an extreme.

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It was so funny.

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Some of the people from Futurama.

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Names like Phil Lamar and Morris Lamarsh and stuff are kind of familiar. so it's possible that it's them, but they're proper sort of cartoon actors.

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And one of the things that I love about the Deep Space 9 episode is how and our visitor absolutely just plays her character like a cartoon character rather than, uh, like, you know, and the, that the thing between her and Shaq's trying to sort of outbajor each other about. so good.

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So treendous.

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I think what I learned to appreciate as well.

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Far more watching it in order is the character relationships and how much you've come to care about these people as you go through the season.

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Because when season 2 ended, it has Mariner's mother, what's her name?

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Captain Freeman.

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Thank you very much, you're much better with these names than me, being arrested.

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And then the whole of series 3, episode one is them attempting in a terrible way to try and free her.

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But I realised, man, I got royal emotional involvement with these cartoon characters.

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It's astonishing.

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Yeah, no, really, really fun.

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Oh, and may I say, also mathematically precise?

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Perfect redemption.

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That was such a brilliant episode of Star Trek.

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Like taking something so daft, an evil exocomp, essentially. and doing something just completely...

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I thought we were out of original ideas in Star Trek, that was completely original.

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And the ending where the X-Con still turned out to be a complete fucking asshole.

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It's amazing.

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So great.

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She's going to team up with evil computer Wayune in series four, I hope.

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Oh, no, try and get her revenge.

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So who is your favourite of the 4 kind of leads, the 4 lower deckers?

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I can't help how this, like, extreme amount of empathy for Boimla.

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He tries so hard.

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Like, like Mariner's really cool and Tendee and what's the other one?

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Rothers?

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Rutherford.

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Yeah, they're really, really sweet.

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But boiler man is such a useless geek, isn't it?

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I love him so much.

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It's great, isn't it?

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I have a massive soft spot for Tendee just because she's so enthusiastic.

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She loves everything so much and she is sort of sweet and funny, but I love all of them.

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What about the um, the 4 kind of bridge officers?

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Oh, I think I said in the previous episode, the caps, the vocal performance.

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Who plays the captain?

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I can't remember her name actually.

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And I saw a photo of her sort of reasonably recently.

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And I think she is sort of terrifically cool.

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I can't remember.

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We'll see... such a good performance because it tows that line between sort of cartoon character and like Star Trek captain really well and grounds of show brilliantly.

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But I think Shacks is my favourite of the brew room.

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And they are saying the scene where he runs through the ship because he finally gets to, is it set?

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No, eject the warp cord.

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Eject the warp core.

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So happy, isn't he?

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This is my moment.

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Yes.

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And they're all going, what?

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So great.

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He has a habit of calling Rutherford Baby Bear, which I just think is absolutely adorable and just a little bit hot, actually.

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But none of the characters are... a cut under. like they're all really likeable and really fun to watch.

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So no matter who you're following in an episode, you're kind of guaranteed a win.

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And I've got to say the consistency on this show to just purely entertain.

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I actually think it probably, in terms of hit rate, it puts, I'm gonna say so bold now, every other Star Trek show in the shade.

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I don't think anyone was expecting that with lower decks, but...

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No, not every episode is revolutionary.

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Some of them are better than others, but they're all really fun and they're all really watchable.

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And you can't say that about every Star Trek show.

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No, no, and certainly not the previous animated show, which is consistent.

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No, but I think it's worth mentioning.

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We've done some pretty dough Voyager DS9, TNG episodes on this podcast already, you know.

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We haven't done a Duff Lower Decks.

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No, and I think that I think the thing too that shines through is just how much they love Star Trek, like just how well they know it and how much they adore it and even the stupid bits.

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And like this episode, I think that we're about to watch, you know, has elements of rise.

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Yeah, I mean, come on. about leaning into the shittiest parts of the franchise.

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That's right.

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But also there's elements of justice.

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There's, you know, lots of original series, kind of stuff down on the planet.

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It is really, really, absolutely delighted by how stupid Star Trek can be, and it leans into it.

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Do you remember what I said to you when we did darkling about how if Rice had had like 50 times the budget, then maybe it would have worked.

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Well, I'm telling you now, the sequence where she skydives off the platform at the top of this planet and the sort of, I keep saying the camera in animation.

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But you know what?

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When the camera goes from the interior, um, what's the thing called a platform out into space?

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and it's like a vertical shot down in animation.

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No, it's incredible.

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I was so impressed.

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Yeah, amazing.

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And then we have the um, then we have the A plot or the B plot, one of those.

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It gets the title, I think, the least dangerous game, which is Bohemler and Tendi.

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And that's a different pairing from what we normally get.

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We normally get Mariner and Boimler and Tendian, Rutherford.

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But I quite like Boimler and Tendi.

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And this plot about Boimler deciding to change his approach to becoming a captain is so great.

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The thing that struck me was both plots. had character payoff.

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Like big character payoff.

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The, the, let's say the A plot is the boymer plot, because that's the title.

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Um, you know, is him learning to seize opportunities and stop being such a big, you know, shy crybaby and actually embrace new challenges and look where it gets you.

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And the B plot is Mariner and oh, good grief.

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Help me out.

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Mariner and Rutherford.

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Oh, ransom.

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Marin Ransom.

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No, Mariner Ransom, actually learning a bit of self-respect for each other.

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And him then admitting at the end, yeah, I don't like it when you talk back to me and you don't respect me.

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And they both had carrot and payoff.

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So it's not just a load of fluff, you know, this material does have a point.

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Yeah, it's surprisingly.

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Fantastic, lower dicks.

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I'm surprised it doesn't get more acclaimed.

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And I think people like it.

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But I think people considering sort of what the less around of Cosmetric.

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Yeah, as if it's disposable.

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But I think maybe the best thing about Kurtzman Trek is that each show has its own identity, 90s trek is a bit of a piece, certainly in the look of it, and the way that it's produced and the way that it's directed, even if the approach is a little bit different on Deep Space 9 at least, they all kind of look the same.

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These shows are all set in different time periods.

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They all have different kind of genres and different approaches to serialisation.

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They all look incredible, but they all look vastly different.

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And I think that's really fun.

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That's the thing that I've liked most about this new golden age.

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Star Trek that we're experiencing.

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The best thing about lower decks is.

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This is nice trek with a budget, you know?

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Yeah.

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And although I did notice in that DS9 episode, you know, apart from that piss tape where they're going around the pylons in a nice sedate pace.

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They were actually shooting that episode.

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Sorry, they were doing the animation in the style of DS9.

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So they weren't trying to make it to the camera the camera work in inverted commas. wasn't too exciting or pacy.

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They were kind of doing a bit of and shoot down the promenade.

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And I thought, yeah, that's quite nice.

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Yeah, it's it's kind of very respectful for the of the past.

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But it also is very aware it's being made now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we should.

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Let's do it.

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Oh, wait.

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Do you know what?

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I think this may be now my 2nd show.

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You know, I told you that TOS is when we roll a TOS.

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That's the one I get most excited about doing now.

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Because I'm discovering a lot about TOS that I just adore, especially when I'm talking about it with you.

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I mean, boy, I've heard back, I'll travel a triple episode too many times now.

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But this is my 2nd favourite, I think now, when we get lower decks.

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Okay, as excited.

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It's really great.

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All right.

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Here goes.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this itent that they do for all the new Star Trek shows, it's the Enterprise, like the original Enterprise from Strange New Worlds, normally, but for this show, it's the Cerritos.

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It's a, it's a, I've also been watching cartoon.

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Stranger movies as well.

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But we'll get into that another time.

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Yeah.

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So he is J.G. Hertzler.

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It's Marvel.

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Yes.

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And you know what?

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He's going. he's going full on Martok, isn't he?

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Well, you remember these games?

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Like you used to get like a videotape or something and it would be, so they're kind of playing a role-playing game being Klingons and it's a sort of dice and board game, but it's got a video element as well.

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And look at that.

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They're all cosplaying, which is kind of delightful.

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And that's that just leading into the fact that Star Trek people are nerds, yeah.

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They are a bunch of geeks for them.

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That's what we love them. because they're us.

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Yeah exactly.

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You know what, right?

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I watched this episode with Marlborough.

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And apart from saying at the end, well, what the hell are you going to talk about that for 25 minutes?

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So the bit that made him laugh the most was at the end where Martok goes, if you want to keep playing this game, download the expansion pack.

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Yeah, pay extra.

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Oh, here we go.

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A strong contender for my favourite title sequence.

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Mm, I, my current favourite title sequence is Prodigy because the music is so amazing.

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Well, and all of the sort of the carrotal innings in that type of sequence as well.

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But I just love, I just, this has got like the sedate, um, you know, ship going across beautiful landscapes, but taking the piss out of it brilliantly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So in series 3, we've added a crystalline entity to that show.

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We did have crystalline entities appear at the end of series two, remember?

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No, it was in the episode that we did, isn't it?

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The one where that the assessment that woman comes on board and puts them all through the holodeck?

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Oh, go about.

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What about that alien sucking on the ass of the Sarita?

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What is it?

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I don't know.

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Oh, has there never been an episode with it?

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No, no.

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No, no, no.

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Look at that figure.

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The little figure in front of a computer holding the bat left up, those little figures in the hex things.

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A Klingon woman holding her bat left aloft.

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Awesome.

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And they've got their D20 and everything.

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It's so great.

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I love the fact that um, boilers used to be a coward in the game and Martoc basically kills him.

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And then at the end of it, he chooses to be bold and say, wow, I've learned a lesson to be bold now.

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And he kills him anyway.

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Yeah, but he doesn't get like it's none of that sort of he ends up being a dentist or something.

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You know, like it's like it's not an honourable deaf in at the beginning because he tries to coward his way out of it.

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Because this is, I mean, this is where the plots come together, isn't it?

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Like this intro kind of talks about the character issues.

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So Mariner has been put on probation and is being kind of ridden by ransom as a result of last week's episode, which was called grounded.

230
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And that's an ongoing plot here.

231
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And then bold Boimla.

232
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His decision to actually decide to do things rather than be a coward about them.

233
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That goes on for the rest of the series. and they're both introduced here Well, that drawing on the wall was all about.

234
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Can you see that?

235
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Of the 4 of them?

236
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No.

237
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No, the sequoia thing at the back?

238
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Yeah, I don't know what that is one of those things still previous episode.

239
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I think that's Tendi.

240
00:14:55.139 --> 00:14:57.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah. is them, isn't it?

241
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Because it's 2 red shirts and tandy is green with a blue shirt.

242
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I currently has got a dreadful, like, Klingon headpiece and wig on, and may I say, I have seen worse cosplay in conventions.

243
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Yeah, it is terrible, it is terrible cosplay.

244
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So this is the thing that gets Boimler going.

245
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One of the minor characters from series one and two, who is a sort of pudgy Bolian, who is silly and gets into sort of like he's a sort of butt of comedy jokes and stuff.

246
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He's now been promoted to captain after his captain, was hit by a time thing and regressed into being a baby, which is just a normal thing that happens on Star Trek.

247
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That's every other board, isn't it?

248
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that's right.

249
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So now he's a now he's a captain.

250
00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.159
Oh, this way, it's a small caveat.

251
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The way they do that, they throw away these plots of dreadful 90s trailer episodes in one liners.

252
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Just makes me howl every time.

253
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So good.

254
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But it's always that thing too, that you sort of think, well, you know, like an individual Star Trek episode kind of makes sense in it on its own, but when you think about the fact that this is happening to them every week, you know, like or every 2 weeks, something just preposterous and high concept happens, it's ridiculous and this absolutely plays into that.

255
00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:24.960
In the in the Voyager episode rise, that phenomenal classic that one day will get to.

256
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Um, the orbital weapon platform is uh, realised by a dodgy piece of CGI.

257
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And then when they're outside, it's them standing on a studio platform with this appalling cloud sky behind them, I mean, it looks so fake.

258
00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.779
We've come a long way, haven't we?

259
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Yeah.

260
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I mean, I actually have to say that I didn't think rise was quite as bad as I expected when I watched it recently.

261
00:16:52.019 --> 00:16:54.539
Well, you take that with Jerry Ryan then, all right?

262
00:16:54.600 --> 00:17:07.440
Yeah, yeah, it is terrible, but it has a sort of plot thing about how everyone is being mean to Neelix or how Tuvok in particular is being mean to Neelix and that's a...

263
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It's too late in the relationship for that to come.

264
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That should have been resolved by now.

265
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There, there's...

266
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Oh, my God.

267
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Don't you remember?

268
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They send these 2 down to the planet, don't they, to make contact with these people that are absolutely obsessed with health and well-being.

269
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And they worship a baby, a computer and a volcano.

270
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

271
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No, because there's a there's a line.

272
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It's like we think it's a, uh, you know, a sentient computer or a baby, like a psychic baby.

273
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It turns out it's both.

274
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Look at this hot guy who's off to play.

275
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Is that, what's that game?

276
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Is that spring ball?

277
00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:49.500
Oh, yeah, that's from Big Space.

278
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Bashir and O'Brien play it. episode about it.

279
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Oh, it's really boring.

280
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Have you seen it?

281
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Rivals?

282
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and you've got Cole Meaney in that kind of spandex?

283
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Yeah.

284
00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.359
Well, this guy looks better in that spandex.

285
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Oh, he does.

286
00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:07.680
So this is him being bold, boimless.

287
00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:13.319
So he immediately rejects the idea of going because they're sort of big and muscular and he's going to get beaten up.

288
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Here he is absolutely lying on the floor completely spent and beaten up and he impresses shacks.

289
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But you know what we love is how they managed to get him from one thing to another.

290
00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.819
So here is him screaming like a massive baby.

291
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So he goes, oh, we do these appalling Bajoran dirges.

292
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Why don't you come and join the choir.

293
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As a soprano.

294
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Jesus Christ.

295
00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.900
You hear it when they're all going, oh, my God.

296
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It's so funny.

297
00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:43.200
But you know what?

298
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weeping as well.

299
00:18:44.579 --> 00:18:46.980
Yeah, they're weeping and making that.

300
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Dreary noise.

301
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Do you know why?

302
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They're taking a piss out of all those dreary DS9 episodes.

303
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Bajor, aren't they?

304
00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:56.940
But the other thing too, did you see on the on the door of that room?

305
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It's designated choir room 3, which indicates that there's at least 2 other choir rooms.

306
00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:10.079
It's always that thing where, you know, on Star Trek, the next generation, they're having a string quartet because of course they are.

307
00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:12.660
Oh, he's Lundy, who's a creepy girl.

308
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Comes out of shadows.

309
00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.140
And what does he want him to do?

310
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can't remember.

311
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He says, what have you ever been painted in oil, wasn't he?

312
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Oh, yes.

313
00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:27.119
We need a skeletal boy.

314
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Doesn't he say we need a skeletal boy to model friend?

315
00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:36.059
I love the fact that in all of these Israel, every point where they're complimenting him, or basically want him on board.

316
00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.920
Everyone still insults him.

317
00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.779
Oh, you seem like a baby.

318
00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:41.940
Oh, you're a skinny kid, you know?

319
00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.680
That's right.

320
00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.240
Look at his arse.

321
00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

322
00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:55.319
Well, he actually resolves the episode by taking off his shirt and they're so impressed by how ripped he is.

323
00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:57.180
Is he wrong?

324
00:19:57.180 --> 00:19:58.619
Did he turned on by cartoon?

325
00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:00.240
Nope, nope.

326
00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:01.619
Oh, I don't want to be right.

327
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.079
Because I had strange falls at this episode.

328
00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:10.680
And look, so they kiss with tongue rather than shaking hands, which is just a reference to justice, isn't it?

329
00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.740
Like we, they say hello on the justice planet.

330
00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.400
It is justice, but there's also a race. in TNG where they're all coloured a bit orange.

331
00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:17.940
Do you remember?

332
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.319
With white wig.

333
00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:21.900
So they're kind of they're kind of taken a piss out of every.

334
00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:22.740
And do you know what they're called?

335
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:23.940
The Chualans.

336
00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:25.140
Yeah.

337
00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:27.779
So there is an episode.

338
00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.359
Did you see the episode where Billips's mother comes on board and tries to get him laid?

339
00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.519
That was hilariously good.

340
00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:37.319
She's got a spaceship.

341
00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:39.539
There's like an old-fashioned castle, wasn't she?

342
00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:40.380
Yeah, yeah.

343
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.099
They're like mediaeval and it's run by sort of dragon energy.

344
00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:44.579
It was all stars.

345
00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:46.500
She sounds like this, wasn't she?

346
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:48.299
I will I will make you have sex.

347
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:51.359
She is someone really big, I think.

348
00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:52.500
I seem to remember that.

349
00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:55.259
It was so funny.

350
00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:04.799
Because there's a reference to that here because it's like, you know, don't get yourself made into a king Billips, because if Billips has sex, he has to take over the throne of his planet.

351
00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:08.940
And so he's down there with all of these hot people and he has to not have sex.

352
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:21.480
I have to say, too, that the, she tries to get him laid by having a hot guy and a hot girl in his quarters. and they're both ridiculously hot and it's kind of like, wow, that's...

353
00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:23.880
I just, all I want to play above with is a warp core.

354
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:26.700
So great.

355
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.299
All right.

356
00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:35.940
So this guy, just saying, he goes, look, being in Starfleet isn't all about being fed exotic fruit by people with weirdly...

357
00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:37.440
Slightly different nose ridges.

358
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:43.980
Even they've noticed, not his trek, but the latex is just a little bit different every week.

359
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:51.480
Well, do you remember last time when we did Darkling, they were like Bajorans only with slightly different nose ridges?

360
00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:52.559
Like, it's absolutely that.

361
00:21:52.619 --> 00:21:54.960
You watched Warlord, where they had the extra nostril.

362
00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:57.539
Lots of extra nostrils.

363
00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.400
So this guy is great.

364
00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:06.539
So we have had races that exist for the hunt and I think, you know, the Hirogen, the kind of main ones.

365
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:13.680
And I think we may have seen Hirogen in Kurtzman Trekken, maybe even in this, but Cranch, who is much scarier.

366
00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:15.420
Isn't that great animation?

367
00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.299
I just think it's so simple. what it reminds me of.

368
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.039
It reminds me of a character from Tron.

369
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:24.240
He's got those sort of, you know, those neon bars all over him.

370
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:25.500
Yeah, yeah.

371
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.079
But he's so witty as well.

372
00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:34.440
I love the bit where it is chasing her through the corridor and the captain goes, oh, yeah, I had a marvellous brunch with him earlier.

373
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.119
He's quite a charmer, you know.

374
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.240
But they made up, remember?

375
00:22:39.420 --> 00:22:42.839
She actually, while he's being hunted.

376
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:45.779
She runs into him and has a chat with him about brunch and stuff.

377
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.799
It's just adorable.

378
00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:50.160
So and then it turns out he's even more terrifying.

379
00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:54.359
The whole thing is basically the move-along home twist, isn't it?

380
00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:56.759
It's like no one, he wasn't in danger at all.

381
00:22:56.819 --> 00:23:06.420
Although he does get stabbed and he does suffer permanent nerve damage in his shoulder from being stabbed, but it was all worth it.

382
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.640
She said my shoulder might never be the same again, but...

383
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:22.019
Do you notice that the people who serve in the Cerrito spa are wearing the outfit that that guy wears in lower decks, the Star Trek, the Next Generation episode?

384
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:23.880
Didn't, but I can see it now.

385
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:24.599
Yes.

386
00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.099
Yeah, yeah.

387
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:26.759
Do you know what?

388
00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:27.779
I always forget about that.

389
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:31.500
I always forget that was the basically the progenitor of this show, wasn't it?

390
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:32.279
Yeah.

391
00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:35.099
Well, it's again, it's 4 characters, isn't it?

392
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:43.380
Yeah, so Gower, the Bajoran, the dreadful one is trying to suck up to Riker all the time and then the barkeeper guy, yeah.

393
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.180
No, no, no, no.

394
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.700
There's a, the barkeeper is the 5th one.

395
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.859
The other ones are Vulcan, remember?

396
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:50.819
Oh, yeah.

397
00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:51.839
Oh, very serious.

398
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:54.660
He's played by the same guy who plays Vorrick in Vorrick.

399
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.380
Voyager.

400
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.420
It's not Vorrick, but it's the same actor.

401
00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:59.400
Gosh, it's good.

402
00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:00.539
It's really good episode.

403
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:01.200
Oh, look.

404
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:10.859
So what happened is they went into the temple or something, but they weren't showing their belly buttons, and so now they're trying to get out of it.

405
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.779
They literally holding up their uniform, aren't they?

406
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:13.380
Yeah, yeah.

407
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:21.000
But I think, I think one of them has an outie that really upsets them, uh, upsets the Du Orleans or whatever.

408
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:24.960
So, and all of this is just really terrific, isn't it?

409
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:33.480
Because just to make a point, ransom hasn't allowed her to go down and, you know, she would solve the problem and even ransom.

410
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:42.599
I mean, when they do go down, they do solve the problem and they're doing the things that obviously Billips and Rutherford should be doing.

411
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:43.980
Look at this guy.

412
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.839
So he's sleeping hanging from the seat.

413
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:46.559
No, he's not.

414
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:48.240
He looks so terrifying.

415
00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:49.140
He's really good.

416
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:54.720
And now he's smearing his face with blood or red paint or something.

417
00:24:57.779 --> 00:24:59.160
This was the other time.

418
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.779
I've laughed in the episode.

419
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.480
It was a bit where he came it was going across the ceiling.

420
00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:04.440
He just came.

421
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:11.279
And I thought you couldn't have an original corridor scene in Star Trek anymore, but no, there's lower decks.

422
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:21.059
They can afford to have them go on the ceiling in a way that they couldn't in a minute for this piece of animation where she dives off the platform. is extraordinary.

423
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:26.220
Like I was like, there must be there must have been like some computer.

424
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.599
Yeah, I know they're always CGI as well, don't they, in this?

425
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.140
Yeah.

426
00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:33.779
Do you know what?

427
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:40.380
His vocal performance is so funny, even when he screams, he makes me laugh. hilarious.

428
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.900
Yeah, that's it going along the ceiling.

429
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.819
And I love...

430
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:48.059
Oh yeah, that woman who opens the door and then she just shuts it again.

431
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.920
Fuck me.

432
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.119
Get involved.

433
00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:59.099
And did you see the original one then with the um, with the dolphins?

434
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.079
I think it's towards the end of series one.

435
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.839
And it's super weird.

436
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:11.880
It's a little bit like having the Tardigrade in early discovery, but they've got a whole system of things that is run by dolphins, which is hilarious.

437
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:12.240
Here we go.

438
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.140
Dolphins.

439
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.359
That guy is such a drama magnet.

440
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:23.220
When the episode ended, Mahock turned to me and he went, what were the dolphins all about?

441
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:30.480
No, but you know me and you know I like I like it when Star Trek does non-humanoid characters.

442
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:31.380
Yeah.

443
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:34.079
Even when they didn't get it quite right in Enterprise.

444
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:37.200
When they tried the turtles, I do really like that in series 3 events.

445
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:39.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

446
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:42.180
Yeah, no in the insectoids and stuff.

447
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.720
Imagine her having dinner with that hulking great monster.

448
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:48.480
No, but look, look, look how genial.

449
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:49.980
Look at the conversation that they have now.

450
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.599
Thanks again for the mimosas.

451
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:59.099
And then he's like, wow.

452
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.140
Yeah, here we go.

453
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.859
So Lieutenant Billips is the one who had an outie and that's really upset them.

454
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.519
And so now he's being dragged off to be thrown into a volcano.

455
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:14.220
And even that, you know, when we go down, when we're on the planet and we actually see them like atop the volcano.

456
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.519
The animation there as well was visually stunning.

457
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.500
Like, this is not a fair budget, right?

458
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:23.099
Lower days.

459
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.079
Yeah, I mean, it's good.

460
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:27.539
The animation is really sort of properly good.

461
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.339
I mean, I expect it does.

462
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:34.920
I mean, you and I, you know, Doctor Who's been animated, the lost episodes have been animated.

463
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.319
And boy, 0 boy, I mean, nothing like this, does it?

464
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:37.980
They're rough.

465
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:39.900
Yeah, they don't have much of a budget.

466
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.039
Oh, here we go.

467
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:41.460
Here we go.

468
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

469
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.319
She's going over the edge.

470
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:49.799
Oh, and it's so funny because she gets halfway down and then he says to her, right, I'm sorry.

471
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:52.140
I should have we should have gone down to the planet to help them.

472
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.420
She's already halfway down in her sky suit.

473
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.480
So I just got to climb up the bloody...

474
00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:00.059
It's so exciting, isn't it?

475
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.660
Here we go.

476
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.660
Yeah, she has to climb up. climb up the entire bloody tower just to pretend as if she hasn't jumped off.

477
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.339
It's so funny.

478
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.420
It's really good character stuff too, isn't it?

479
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:25.019
Because the thing with Mariner is she's so competent, she's so incredibly good at everything and usually much better at everything than the person who's giving her orders.

480
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:31.500
And so her, you know, what she's always tempted to do is just take it into her own hands and she's constantly getting trouble for that.

481
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.359
And she's done that.

482
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.380
Ooh, ow.

483
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.019
You know, people that made me laugh, though. made me laugh out loud.

484
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:43.019
It wasn't so much her climbing back up, although it was funny.

485
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:48.900
It was the gag where it's like, right, come on, we're going, you know, we can't, the platform's not working.

486
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.519
We're gonna have to use the suits.

487
00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:54.059
And then when she's going down, she's she's snoring because she's knackered.

488
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:55.740
Yeah, calming back out.

489
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.559
And then it wakes her up because the parachute shoots her up in the air.

490
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.640
Yeah, yeah.

491
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.619
So good.

492
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.420
And I said to you before, you know, I don't know.

493
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.980
I don't know if I said it to you when we were doing a 90s trek episode or when we were doing a lower decks episode.

494
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.220
How much they pack into 22.5 minutes.

495
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.079
Oh, yeah, yeah.

496
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.180
That's what I really love about it.

497
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.839
You know, like I love show going for 20 something minutes.

498
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:34.079
I just watched all of the end of Prodigy and just, you know, like it's just in and out and lots of things happen and you can't get bored.

499
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:34.859
I think it's a good time.

500
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.440
A good 90s trek episode.

501
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:48.180
You know, it will use its time extremely well and intelligently to explore its ideas, but we've watched enough where we're like, yeah, this could do with being 22.5 in this long.

502
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.079
Quite a few we've done on this, you know.

503
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.740
So the hunter has become the hunted.

504
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:56.460
No, the hunter.

505
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.720
Yeah, that's right. as usual.

506
00:29:57.779 --> 00:29:58.440
Oh, God.

507
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.000
And that's the other thing about this.

508
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.099
It's so violent, isn't it?

509
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:04.079
It's like amazingly violent.

510
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.299
It's spectacularly violent sometimes. very graphic.

511
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.839
Like, we keep coming back to him, but blood just keeps spurting out of the wound.

512
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:11.220
Yeah, I know.

513
00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:13.200
It's not gonna make me die here.

514
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:16.859
Not only was him taking the selfie for the boys back home.

515
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:19.140
Yeah, yeah.

516
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.779
But it was when he goes, I've got some notes for you.

517
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:32.519
It's that the thing where he's holding out this thing which we think he's going to use to finish him off with, but in fact, it's just his selfie stick.

518
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:37.500
Like, I think that's...

519
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:43.680
You know, if you're going to become the hunter, you know, don't do it too much or at least do something in opposite with it, you know?

520
00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:49.440
But again, look, now he does get in with a cat.

521
00:30:49.500 --> 00:31:00.180
Oh, look at that, the one more for the boys back home, which is him taking a photo of himself and Boheem unconscious, stabbed by just...

522
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:03.000
So that's that plot effectively done, isn't it?

523
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:04.859
So we've got some time now with the other.

524
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.880
And that's the other thing.

525
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.380
They pace these things brilliantly.

526
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.799
I think they know when enough is enough, you know?

527
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:11.700
Yeah.

528
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.380
Well, this is very near the end.

529
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:22.259
Like, I know there's a lot to do, but basically it's just the climactic scene, um, you know, down on the planet in front of the volcano.

530
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.119
Yeah, here we go.

531
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.240
He's skydiving down again.

532
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.579
Yeah, sorry.

533
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:33.599
Sorry, it took me so long.

534
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.799
I had to pop to the little boys' room.

535
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:36.480
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:47.519
It's so funny too, and it's that usual cartoon thing where she's sweating and clearly exhausted and he doesn't notice, of course, because, you know, that's kind of the whole point. where she's snoring.

537
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:52.380
And you're right.

538
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.259
Look, so actually, it's not her as competent this time, is it?

539
00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.480
He realises this is the one time he can be massively competent because he's so ripped, you know?

540
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:03.420
So they respect his wellness.

542
00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:05.220
So all he has to do is he show.

543
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.660
Look how beautiful he is.

544
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:08.460
Yeah.

545
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:09.359
Yeah.

546
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:12.000
The psychic baby.

547
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:13.440
The baby's got the voice.

548
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.920
Like the evil computers from original Star Trek.

549
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:31.140
There was some, was it ransom criticising them for just it being too much, like it's a censured baby and, did you notice?

551
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.019
you think that's overkill or something?

552
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.559
Yeah, yeah.

553
00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:36.539
See the sun thing?

554
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.420
So there's a sun symbol that appears on all of the things.

555
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:40.500
It's on the computer.

556
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.779
It's everywhere on the thing.

557
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.180
And that's a belly button, it turns out.

558
00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:46.680
Like that's...

559
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.500
Well, no, even the sort of the hole of the altar there.

560
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.000
It was like a big fan as well.

561
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:56.579
Yeah, they've got their belly buttons painted.

562
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.420
There's ransom.

563
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.420
We get a shot just up his sweaty pocket.

564
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.279
Oh my god.

565
00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.680
He can bounce me like a baseball any day.

566
00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:05.759
I'm telling you now.

567
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.099
Jerry O'Connell, honestly.

568
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.960
Move over Captain Archer.

569
00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:11.700
There's a new alpha male in town.

570
00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:13.799
Yeah, absolutely.

571
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.519
I really like ransom because he's also kind of an idiot.

572
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:27.660
Well, do you know what's a joy as well, is because these are short episodes, yeah, is that they can just do these like blinking your missing climaxes. like, you know, just throw away climaxes.

573
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.900
Yeah, well, you know, we kind of be going, oh, really?

574
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.819
We've done 45 minutes for that.

575
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.599
No, actually here we've done what, maybe 8.5 minutes on this plot.

576
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.140
That's fine.

577
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.460
Yeah, yeah.

578
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:38.940
Yeah.

579
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.900
Yeah.

580
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:44.099
Oh, save it for your personal log, man.

581
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.319
You were you were really impressive down there.

582
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:48.000
That's nice Yeah.

583
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:49.740
Yeah, that is kind of nice.

584
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.799
But yes, he's being a dick about it and she's, there we go.

585
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:54.599
So ransom's a dick and I hate him.

586
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.099
She says that she walks back in.

587
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.000
He's flicking, his muscles going, yeah, I was pretty impressive, wasn't I?

588
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.059
Oh, see, now look, we've got a bookend scene, which is where we started with them playing the game.

589
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:10.199
Yeah, yeah. kids what we learned this week.

590
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:10.619
Yeah.

591
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.800
Well, exactly that, but that is literally it.

592
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:19.440
Um, that they are careful because this is a cartoon.

593
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:26.519
I think because it's part of a kind of genre that you have to have learned something through an episode and they're careful to do that every week.

594
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:34.800
I think that might have been a comment on J.G. Hearst's performance, you know, where she said, they've really programmed this with full intense Martoc mode, haven't they?

595
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

596
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:39.780
He didn't tend to nauseous teeth quite a lot, didn't he?

597
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.119
He's so great.

598
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.099
I don't do a bad Martok, you know.

599
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:52.139
So, oh, no, it's so he does die dishonourably as he walks into the bar and demands blood wine.

600
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.380
He gets killed and it's a dishonourable death, but he doesn't care.

601
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:01.679
It's a dishonourable death because you died by your own hand because it's been ripped off and strangled you.

602
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:08.340
So is the Sequoia must be there, um, shuttle.

603
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.460
They're like, they've drawn on the actual shuttle.

604
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:12.659
I do have a bit of a scrub up.

605
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.980
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.000
So, concerts, I love it a bit, isn't he?

607
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:19.500
Hertz was in it a few times.

608
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.179
So he plays one of the aliens in a mathematically perfect redemption as well.

609
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.280
So he's not just playing Martoc.

610
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.559
They do get him back to do other staff.

611
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.000
So good.

612
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:31.199
I just know it's fun.

613
00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:32.880
I'm gonna say something that's not about the episode at all.

614
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:33.960
Do you remember that beginning, right?

615
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:39.179
I think it sums up lower decks beautifully, where they're standing outside the ship in space suits.

616
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.699
And then they zoom off without...

617
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.539
It goes off without them.

618
00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:44.219
They'll never go off without us.

619
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:44.639
Yeah.

620
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:50.880
And then it says, oh, well, Kendi, Kendi, ever the optimist goes, well, I'm sure they'll be back in 5 minutes, isn't it?

621
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.420
6.5 hours later. and they've all nearly died of oxygen starvation.

622
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.039
Yeah, yeah. all in Sick Bay.

623
00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:59.880
You know, I think it really, truly...

624
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.300
It does something really exceptional in that it...

625
00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:07.800
It takes all of that madness from 90s trick and so much.

626
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:16.619
I look at darkling, the Jekyll and Hyde episode, which was, you know, fucking absurd, but nobody's laughing at how absurd is, you know?

627
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:25.019
And it's almost easy to cherry pick absurd things from 90s trick and bring them into this show.

628
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.000
And they're just running with it.

629
00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:28.860
I mean, I think it's gone from a strength to strength.

630
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.920
One was good, 2 was better from what I've seen of free.

631
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.940
It's the best so far.

632
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.679
I've not seen to the end of three.

633
00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:37.260
So I don't know what the 2nd half of that season's like yet.

634
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.539
Yeah. well, I mean, it's great.

635
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.219
It is, of course, just superb.

636
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.340
So, yeah, yeah, very exciting.

637
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:53.460
Does it surprise you that I prefer this to something like discovery, which is technically like the Star Trek, the flagship.

638
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.840
No, not really.

639
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:56.820
I mean, I watched this.

640
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:11.219
I've certainly rewatched this more than I rewatched Discovery, and Discovery's a little bit of an investment, and it's hard to dip in and out because it's so serialised, and the stakes are high, and sometimes it veers into being a bit overwrought.

641
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:20.159
But it looks fantastic and, you know, the cast are really incredible and like I think it has done some incredible storytelling, particularly in the last couple of years.

642
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:23.699
But this is so watchable and so bingeable.

643
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:32.099
It's the Star Trek more than any other Star Trek that I just go back and watch because it's so much fun.

644
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.780
Like just comfort viewing.

645
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.380
Yeah.

646
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:40.920
I mean, I always pondered the question because I've got 2 massive loves and that's Doctor Who and Star Trek.

647
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.460
And I prefer Doctor Who.

648
00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:46.199
And I've been thinking about that lately.

649
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:48.300
Why do I prefer Doctor Who Star Trek?

650
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.579
And I think it's the humour.

651
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:59.460
I think it's the fact that it has a sense of humour, like not always, but mostly, and it does take the Mickey out of out of its kind of crazier ideas.

652
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:20.579
So this version of Star Trek is just custom built for me, because it is all the wonderful stuff I love about it, character development, and I, you know, I love the characters, there's very little technobabble in this, so hurrah, um, all the madness and fucking insanity of people turning into lizards and things like that from 90s trick.

653
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.039
And a massive dollar perfumer.

654
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.440
I mean, yeah, yeah, it's paid for me.

655
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.159
And just some great characters and great performances too.

656
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:30.719
Yeah, it's a winner.

657
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:31.260
Yeah.

658
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:32.880
It's a whatever.

659
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:50.940
All right, it's time for us to pick what we're going to do next time, and next time is going to be a very special episode, I think.

660
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.519
And do you want to tell everyone why that is?

661
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.800
First time ever, since you and I have come into contact with each other.

662
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:08.639
We will be recording together as you win your way all the way over from Australia to, I can't believe I was saying these words out loud, Eastbourne in England.

663
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:12.840
Yep, my gender tourist destination East.

664
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:17.940
Oh, you are, you are well excited about coming here.

665
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.199
Don't you pretend numberwise?

666
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:19.980
I really am.

667
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:20.940
Yeah.

668
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.260
We'll be together.

669
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:23.099
We'll be together.

670
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:24.059
Yeah.

671
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.039
Yeah, for the 1st time ever.

672
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.599
So that's going to be just amazing.

673
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:39.780
And we are going to take a bit of a break because I'm going to be away for about 3 months, but we will record while we're together and put one out then and I'm really looking forward to that.

674
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:46.199
So this will be sitting on the same couch watching an episode of goodness knows what.

675
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.579
What have you chosen for us?

676
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.840
Well, I'm sorry, as ever, I've gone down in the easy room, just put it on.

677
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:52.920
Because I like that.

678
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:53.219
Okay.

679
00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:56.820
I like the fact that when the choices come up, that's so diverse.

680
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.559
Yeah, okay.

681
00:39:58.619 --> 00:39:59.039
All right.

682
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:00.360
Well, let's let's go.

683
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:03.239
Let's see what we're going to watch and pass on. you ready?

684
00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:07.139
Oh, dear God.

685
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.000
It might have to be this one.

686
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:09.719
Oh my god.

687
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:10.619
Oh, goodness.

688
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.179
Where we'll end up with that so far.

689
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:13.440
I don't know after watching this.

690
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.860
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season one, episode eight.

691
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.519
Justice.

692
00:40:20.579 --> 00:40:22.679
Oh, yes, absolutely.

693
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:30.960
That'll be 2 episodes in a row where we meet aliens who kiss you instead of saying hello.

694
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:32.880
Well, I think we should cosplay.

695
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:35.099
We should get some Kleenex out and dress up.

696
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.659
Oh, bring the baby oil.

697
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:37.739
Don't worry.

698
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.039
I shall put a nappy on for the occasion.

699
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:43.559
Holy crap.

700
00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:44.820
That's brilliant.

701
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.000
We absolutely have to do it, you know, with deadly nightshade.

702
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:48.599
I can use.

703
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:49.559
Okay, good.

704
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.420
Honestly, we could perfect. whole episode.

705
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.079
Yeah, yeah.

706
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:56.280
And do any of your neighbours have a greenhouse or anything that we can sort of crash into?

707
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:56.880
I do.

708
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:57.659
Yes, they do.

709
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:58.079
Yep.

710
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.679
I think they're growing weed and not plants, but you know, never mind.

711
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:03.599
Okay, well, we'll get high while we're doing it.

712
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:08.039
Oh, Nathan, can you think of a more perfectly awful episode to watch together?

713
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:15.539
We've been longing for a series one episode of Star Trek The Next Generation.

714
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:27.059
We've done series two, which was a terribly boring episode Manhunt, but this, I mean, obviously, they mentioned this episode, every other week on lower decks, it's so iconically terrible.

715
00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:31.679
I mean, everybody's like bottom five, TNGs, doesn't it?

716
00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:34.019
Oh, God.

717
00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:35.639
I can't have watched it for decades.

718
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.019
That's brilliant.

719
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.059
Out us with the quote then from Beverly Crusher.

720
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:40.559
Yeah, oh yes, go on.

721
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.980
The eater want to execute my son.

722
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.519
I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

723
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:54.000
She is the worst before. you're ever going to say in the Star Trek episode.

724
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.260
This is going to be great.

725
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.519
Oh, I cannot wait. in person. amazing.

726
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:13.380
I've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

727
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.900
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728
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:24.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

729
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:30.119
This episode was recorded on the 30th of January 2023 and released on the 30th of January.

730
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:36.119
We'll see you next time in person for Star Trek the Next Generation, Justice.

731
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:58.019
I didn't watch any more strange new whales, but I did... really like...

732
00:42:58.019 --> 00:42:59.699
I really like the 1st gall one.

733
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.679
I thought that was good, isn't it?

734
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:03.599
It's a bit like...

735
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:06.900
The fact is, you know, about fuck, no, fuck what happens in it.

736
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.340
Like they're just chased by the ship.

737
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.619
It's like, it's nothing we ain't seen a 1000000 times before.

738
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.780
It's just so well done.

739
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:20.280
Oh, and the transporter, pretty transported Chief Kyle lost his, the guy who was hitting on him, got killed, remember?

740
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:20.760
Oh, yeah.

741
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.780
And Spock and Mock was good, but I thought the best part of Spock and Mock was those 2 on the ship trying to do that.

742
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.820
Bingo was just...

743
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.500
Oh, it was so fun.

744
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:31.860
Amazing.

745
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.099
The names who don't know how to have fun.

746
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:37.920
But I love Spock and Mark.

747
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:45.480
Like, I just thought, oh, shit, we can do body swap stories because heard about intruder is canon, so it's a thing that can happen in the Star Trek universe.

748
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:54.840
And just that thing where one of them says to the captain, oh, you'll be able to tell from my completely different demeanour that I'm not really Spock or whatever.

749
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.900
Yeah, it was it was really fun.

750
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.219
That was really fun as well.

751
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.460
Um, man, that virus one was so boring.

752
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.019
I turned it off 2 thirds of the way through.

753
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.300
I can't even remember what happened.

754
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:08.460
It's really a good B plot.

755
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:09.960
It's...

756
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.039
Oh, I can't remember.

757
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:18.480
I just, I remember, there was a lot of, it reminded me of the worst excess of 90s track, that one. like babble or something like that.

758
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:19.079
Yeah.

759
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:28.320
But it seems like for me, it's just like, let's do that with these production values and on these sets and I just think that's enough for me.

760
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.039
I wouldn't want to do that. pretty sheen over a very dreary episode.

761
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:33.840
Pretty is good though.

762
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:35.519
Freddy's important.

763
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:37.079
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:37.800
No, it was good.

765
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:38.340
It was good.

766
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.300
All right, let's get going because I have to rush.

767
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.340
Okay.

768
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.840
This is going to go.

769
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:48.960
So did you all start with Amazon original, yeah?

770
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:49.380
Or no?

771
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:50.699
Paramount original?

772
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.440
Yeah, it starts with the ID.

773
00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:56.099
Okay, so...

774
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:57.780
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:58.739
Yep, yeah.

776
00:44:58.800 --> 00:44:59.820
Let me just go back a little bit.

777
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.800
Okay, yes, obviously, yeah, I'm also the idea.

778
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:05.639
Brilliant.

779
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:07.260
Okay.

780
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.880
Whose son is it to press the button?

781
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:09.480
Yours.

782
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.820
It's been so long, I've forgotten.

783
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:15.840
Okay, great. is it mine?

784
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:17.460
When you're here.

785
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:18.360
All right, all right.

786
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.920
I will tell people that too at the end.

787
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:21.539
Let's talk about the end.

788
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:21.780
Yeah.

789
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.860
All right.

790
00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:25.079
Am I recording?

791
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:27.900
Definitely getting better signal.

792
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.079
I mean, I mean, it's a little fuzzy at times. it's not pausing.

793
00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:33.719
Yeah, and it will get better. that's the important thing, isn't it?

794
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:35.219
It'll get better, I think, too.

795
00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:37.860
Like sometimes when it starts, it's fuzzy and then it gets better.

796
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.119
All right.

797
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.460
Hey, Joe. Hi.