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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So tonight, again, we're doing a completely different series that

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we haven't covered before, and I'm very excited.

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Are you excited, Joe?

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Well, I said to you at the end of our last recording that I had

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absolute faith of the heart going into this.

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Well, I shall have to tell you after watching this episode one. 5

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times, I no longer have faith of the heart. don't have any faith

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whatsoever.

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It's not great.

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I'm just going to put this out before we even start talking about

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enterprise.

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This is our 1st dud, okay?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't think we've done a really crappy episode before.

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I guess, what, the previous, maybe the previous contender is

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lineage, which has lots of sort of crummy bits in it.

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Tons of positives in there, it's like doctor, 7 of 9, Janeway, you

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know, loads of good stuff happening.

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But you know what?

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This wasn't even like bad.

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It was just competently, dreadfully boring.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I put on the website Bio, the Enterprise series one was when I

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actually stopped kind of watching 90s trek or new 90s trek.

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Well, I was trying to think about that today, and it's like 2001

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or whenever it came out to Australia, it may have been a little

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bit later, and it just wasn't that possible to kind of, you know

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catch up.

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If I decided I wasn't going to watch it one week or whatever, then

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I was kind of out.

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With Voyager, I had actually bought it on videotapes, like when it

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1st showed.

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Like I bought all of the videotapes.

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Is that when they were coming out like 2 per tape?

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Two?

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Yep.

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I mean, they're all landfill.

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Think about it in this day and age.

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Two per tape.

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But even when Star Trek, the Next Generation came out on DVD.

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I remember paying like 3 or $400 for one season of it.

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I mean, it was crazy.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, I just didn't really have the opportunity, I just

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wasn't that inclined.

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And I may have said before I have tried to watch series one again

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and just never kind of got into it.

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And I think there's fun to be had eventually, am I right?

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Yeah, well, I said to you last time that I found Enterprise to be

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a tailor 2 halves.

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No get wrong, there's still some duds in the 2nd half of

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Enterprise, but it's more ambitious in its 2nd half and it's more

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fun.

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Like the 1st 2 seasons are just dreary television.

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No, I'm sure you've got some fears.

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I don't know what they were going for with this series.

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I don't know what they were thinking.

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And I said to you before we press record.

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It's like, they disregarded everything they learned from the 1st

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300 odd episodes of Star Trek.

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Like they took none of that knowledge with them and were like, how

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can we make this as vanilla as it can possibly be?

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And then they created series one of Enterprise.

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Yeah, I do have some theories about what's going on and I might

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need your help. to tell me a little bit about the sort of key

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players involved as well.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So I am, as always, kind of queued up on the very 1st frame, ready

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to press play.

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Are you ready to go, Joe?

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I generally say that I am salivating to get going.

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I'll say I am, I'm ready.

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Okay, well, in that case, I will count us in, 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and

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we're off, and it's the termites of Larakas Prime.

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No, what is it?

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Is it Laraka's Prime?

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Oh, Vulcan.

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I have literally no idea.

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I'm assuming it's another planet.

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Yeah.

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Well, no, because she's, she's, um, learning about Vulcans, isn't

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she?

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Because of the part, and she's eating Vulcan food.

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So I figured this was all about her trying to reach out.

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Unless the poll has a sort of termite thing going as well and

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she's trying to impress her that way.

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So this is Cutler and Novokovich, and Cutler will be in 2 more

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episodes before her untimely death, the actress's untimely death

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in 2003.

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So the character doesn't come back.

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I didn't know.

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Yeah.

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And Novokovic was originally going to be killed in this episode

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but they decided against it, but he never comes back anyway.

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So it might have brightened things up a little bit if he had

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been.

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Yeah, we'll talk about that when it comes because they certainly

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play it like he's dead and there's a reason for that.

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So this is kind of Star Trek back to its absolute bare bones, isn't

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it?

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There's a real attempt to kind of shed all of the Star Trekness

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that's accumulated.

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So it's not that they've forgotten the lessons that they've

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learned.

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I think they're actively rejecting them And so this is a version

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of...

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Why would you do that?

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I think that what they're trying to do is be more accessible.

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And I think they're trying to be a bit less I think they're trying

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to have a bit less latex in the regular cast.

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They're literally trying to take the Star Trek out of this because

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they take it out of the time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, that's more evidence.

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Like they call it enterprise for series one and two.

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And, you know, that's a reasonable title for a Star Trek series

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but it's the 1st time that they've taken Star Trek out of the

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title.

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So there's a real attempt.

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Look at these uniforms.

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You know, part of the fun of Star Trek is it's a bunch of people

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travelling around the galaxy in their pyjamas and we adore that

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you know, like that's delightful.

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These people look like plumbers, don't they?

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They're like these bizarre own rules.

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That's it.

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Like, do you know what the most interesting thing about Star Trek

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is generally, and the best characters are is are generally the

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alien characters, right?

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And they take that out of this and have a primarily human crew

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most of whom are incredibly tedious.

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Yeah, and the return of white men to the centre of the action as

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well.

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Well, we were definitely going to talk about that, Nathan.

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But before we do that, it's been a long time getting from there to

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here.

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I absolutely...

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I have to admit.

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No, my time is fun.

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All right, I think it's obscene that the Skip intro button is on

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Netflix.

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And you're not allowed to go.

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This is the one this is the one time.

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I'm very pleased it's there.

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Well, I sing.

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I sing every time I watch Enterprise, which is not often, but I do

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sing it.

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And it is, you know, again, it's a rejection of what we've done in

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Star Trek before with the sort of big orchestral sort of things.

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And what we have instead is this sort of dad core, you know, kind

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of soft.

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They have chosen a more dull song.

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It's so fucking easy listening.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it...

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It was a terrible thing.

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It's like, it's like the song itself is terrible, but then the bit

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at the end where it's like, oh, God.

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Oh my word, it's not beautiful.

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But then the other thing is this right.

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That there's the HMS Enterprise, which is presumably a colonial

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English ship that is being sent out to kind of beat the hell out

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of some natives and take their stuff and they're like.

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What was doing in series one of next generation?

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And then there's a series, I think there's Amelia Earhart, but I'm

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not quite sure.

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But otherwise it's just all white men doing heroic things in our

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history.

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And so there's a real proper attempt, I think, to centre them

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after having a black man and a white woman as the captains in the

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last series, last 2 series.

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This is all like pre-federation, isn't it?

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Because the whole series was supposed to lead up to the founding

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at the Federation.

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Because in the last episode, you see Riker and Troy watching

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Archer at that ceremony.

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So that's where this series was heading like eventually.

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And they scale back on all the technology as well, isn't it?

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It's like all of this stuff is being like used for the very 1st

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time.

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Yeah.

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They're in space for the 1st time.

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So, so it's them kind of trying to adjust to that.

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Like, those aren't bad ideas.

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But just how it's all executed is.

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Well, but maybe they are bad ideas and maybe the reason is that we

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have at this point seen no less than 1258 away missions on Star

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Trek, which is a number that I just made up.

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And so...

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I counted them all.

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Oh, Porthos, I love Porthos.

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No, excuse me, hang on.

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We need to talk about that dog.

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All right.

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I know you're a dog. going where no dog has gone before.

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That's my favourite joke.

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But you know what, all right?

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I'm just sorry, I just can't bear this because they put the dog in

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there, right?

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Because that's like Archer's one likeable trait.

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He's a dog owner, you know?

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So automatically we're supposed to think he's a nice guy and he's

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just horrid.

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Don't you think he's the Neelix of this series?

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Poor fox?

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Who Archer?

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Of course.

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The dog's quite cute, but then it's not doing episodes about the

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about the bloody dog.

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So, but again, he's like a man and his dog, and here they all are

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wearing fucking baseball caps and stuff, and it's trying its best

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to be...

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Yeah.

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This is our first.

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This is our 1st example of the space racism that we're gonna see

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in this story.

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And that's the other thing as well.

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So, Topol is positioned as being sort of no fun and, you know

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she's not relaxed and they're all men and, you know, they won't be

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told and she's constantly being belittled and put down and she's

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absolutely right literally all of the time.

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And I developed a theory while I was watching this.

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That this script would be massively improved if every single one

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of her lines ended with the words, you fucking idiot.

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And you just wait when she's talking to these mediocre white man

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how well it fits.

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It's incredible.

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Oh, they are mediocre, aren't they?

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I can't even tell you.

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Okay, I've seen half of the Enterprise episodes, okay?

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At least half of them, yeah?

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I can't tell you what the con officer's name is.

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That's Travis Mayweather.

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Mate, see, I always call it Merryweather.

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See, I don't even know what his name is.

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This is how old these people are.

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I've forgotten Malcolm's last name until today.

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So I'm innocent.

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When I watch...

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When I watch Broken Bow.

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Yeah, how they treated the Vulcans and how aggressive they were

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towards them.

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And then into the 1st cup of episodes on the ship whipped a pile, I

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was like, this is actively unpleasant to watch.

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Like, I am not going to watch this show.

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And that was the reason why.

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Well, I don't think that the writers...

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Like, they're not criticising it.

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They're actually promoting.

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Yeah, I don't think that they think that's bad.

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They think that Tapol is uptight and overly cautious.

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And even though this episode proves that Tapol was right all along

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and that they were foolish to go down here without surveying it

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properly because things go wrong, there is never a moment where

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Archer acknowledges that and apologises, and there is a scene

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we'll get to it, but there's basically nearly no apology from

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Tripp. either.

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And so it's not here to critique their behaviour at all.

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We're supposed to be on their side.

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And like this.

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Look, this is the same set where B'Elana and her racist father

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when camping in that form... went on their mission in DS9, this is

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standard stock forest at number five.

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And that's the other thing too, because there's nothing going on

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in this episode.

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It's incredibly thin, but like they don't do anything to make it

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visually impressive, you know, they wander around some places in

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Southern California.

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Which I, you know, I wouldn't even object to that if they were

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doing interesting things with the characters or really getting us

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to understand the characters.

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But they do that thing.

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They do all the time in Star Trek.

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They did it in DS9.

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They did it in the next generation, of them behaving out of

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character before we've gotten to know them.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Which again, I think is a very bizarre creative choice.

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This could be a nice, intimate character tale where they kind of

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you know, where they are at loggerheads with Tabal.

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And by the end of it, they've kind of figured out how to work

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together.

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And, and you know, they're developing those kinds.

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There's none of that going on here.

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This is about this boring away mission and, you know, like the

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atmospherics that happen and someone being possessed.

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You know, it's like stock standard cliches number one, 2, and 3.

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And it's not even very high concept either.

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I mean, it is just they get drugged on hallucinogenic pollen.

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You know, like it's not that interesting.

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Have you done that before?

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I think we've definitely done that before.

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We did it in Doctor Who one time, I think.

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But, I mean, this, you know, it's so visually uninteresting.

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And one of the things that they had the opportunity to do, I think

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is, you know, if they're going to scale everything back.

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And if they're going to change, you know, if they're moving away

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from the 24th century world that they've been in for what, 21

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seasons at this point, to do something about the way the show is

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produced, but it still looks just like Star Trek.

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And we're not going to feel a sense of awe at an away mission that

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just looks the same as the away missions we've seen before. that's

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the problem.

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I think if it had looked visually spectacular, if this planet had

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been weird.

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You know, like they're just on the planet Southern California.

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It's just not that interesting.

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You know why?

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No, I have a theory why.

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Now, this series is the love child of Rick Berman and Bragger, in

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series one to three.

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They wrote like a prestigious amount of the scripts, 2 of them.

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I think it's over half. and that's a lot.

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That's like Terry Nation in Blake 7 series one, you know, a lot.

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Um, and they've been working on Star Trek since early TNG.

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And they're creatively exhausted.

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Like they don't have anything else to give, and that really does

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show in series one and 2, where they're just knocking out the same

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old cliches, and like even when they try and do things, they start

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bringing in the Borg and things like that, and it's like, oh, guys

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you know, you've been doing this for 21 seasons, you know, like...

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I think maybe after Voyager, Trek should have been rested at that

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point.

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Yeah.

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Look, I mean, there are people who love enterprise and and, you

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know, eventually some good comes of it, I think.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think so.

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And and I think, you know, there's been references to enterprising

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Kurtzman track. and there are more to come.

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No, but I know that they've, well, I mean, there's even a

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reference.

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I mean, they shoot scenes on the bridge in Star Trek beyond.

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There's a character from an Andorian subspecies who's introduced

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in Enterprise who is going to be a regular in Strange New Worlds.

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So they do reference it.

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So it is, you know, it's still Star Trek.

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It is still Star Trek, but let's be honest, it is it is like the

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back end of, you know, probably the most successful iteration of

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Star Trek.

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And people kind of talk about it apologetically now, don't they?

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They don't, nobody really goes, oh, yeah, enterprise, you know, one

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of meteoric success at the end of Berman Trek.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It does fizzle out.

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Enterprise, yeah, that happens.

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I didn't know before that series 3 they thought they were being

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cancelled.

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Yeah, you told me this.

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Which is why they went for like this mad season-long arc, which is

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hugely one of the most ambitious things, I'd say, that Trek's ever

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done.

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Maybe until Discovery came along, that 1st season of Discovery.

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Um, and they figured that was going to be the end and then they

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had a reprieve and a full series.

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Um, but like you said to me before, it's like they've forgotten

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how to pay Star Trek as well.

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Like so many of these season one episodes, and including this one

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they're so slow.

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It makes original trek look pacy.

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Well, I mean, can I just comment here on the blokiness of this, and

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the sort of pathetic failure to be blokey as well, because...

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This is that Malcolm Reed, the weapons dude guy?

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isn't he a terrible character?

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Yeah, I know.

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He shockingly bad, but there's nothing to him.

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But just the sort of sports metaphor thing.

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Like he comes in and says something jolly about sports ball and

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it's water polo, for God's sake.

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Like, you're not playing rugby, so shut up.

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And yeah, you're not that much of a man.

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Um, and, and just...

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Oh, great rugby show, you know. bet you do.

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It just seems like a sort of gross bloakey kind of hostile work

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environment.

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It really is super unpleasant.

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Like, I do think everyone's massively unlikeable and

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increasingly...

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But I think, like, what happened with enterprise, and you're right

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is you've got 2 white middle-aged men writing this show.

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Yeah, like the creative thoughts behind it.

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Now, over at like DS9, even on Voyager, it was there was a lot

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more people involved with plotting out the series and there was

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like a proper writer's route for both those series.

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Whereas this was too, this is like, well, kind of their vision.

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And it's their voice, you know?

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This is what we're hearing.

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It's kind of very heterosexual, very masculine way of exploring

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the universe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's I think that that's it.

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And I think the reason that we go back to, you know, the 22nd

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century is because the 24th century has been established to be

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kind of diverse and peaceful and cosmopolitan.

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And we want a sort of George W.

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Bush era version of Star Trek at this point.

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And so we cast Scott Bacula to look puzzled, you know, like the

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the, the, even that is obscene because Scott Bacula is the most

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charismatic man.

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You go watch him on William Shatner's, the captains.

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And he is so he's riding his horse and he's personable and he's

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funny and he's got a guitar and he's singing.

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And I'm like, well, well, who the hell is this?

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Because that's not who we saw an enterprise.

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All we saw at Enterprise was this very tedious lecturing bully, you

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know?

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Yeah.

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There's a really, really unpleasant scene, which I'm going to

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point out in a minute where I think he's just fucking horrible.

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Did you watch Quantum Leap?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not like, how likeable, how likeable he wasn't that?

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Like, like, how can you make Scott Bacula unlikeable?

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Yeah, yeah.

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With some effort is the answer.

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Well, yeah, and it's a deliberate creative choice, I think, you

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know, it's very strange.

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I'm going to say something positive now though.

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Oh, I can do that.

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I do, I do, no, I don't like him here.

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I don't like him early on, but I do quite like who Tripp becomes.

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Right, okay.

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And the romance that he has with Tapal is really nicely done.

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Right.

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Right.

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And we'll get to some of those episodes later on.

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I think I think your your bites and and there's like a warmth that

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develops between them, which is really, really lovely.

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Like, maybe they were going for that.

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Maybe they were going for all this antagonism at the start.

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So then that's the development is that they, you know, they they

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develop friendships, relationships, blah, blah.

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You know, we go on that sort of journey with them.

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But it's so unlikeable at the start.

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I know just tons of people that just flew away from the show

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saying, no, I don't want to watch this.

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Well, look, I mean, to be fair, if we were watching episode 3 or 4

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depending on how you counted of Star Trek, the next generation

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we'd be yelling at it as well.

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But...

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Are you kidding me?

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We were watching episodes 23 or 24, the next generation.

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We'd be wanting to check out that.

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See, this CG is not pretty good, is it?

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This rock people.

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It's so, oh, excuse me.

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It's so been done before, isn't it?

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All of it.

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It just looks crummy as well.

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It looks really crummy.

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They're not quite up to doing it yet.

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And even though it's sort of...

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Do you remember we watched, we watched, forget me not, um, a

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couple of episodes back and we were down on true and how visually

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engaging that was?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, they had the, they had the effects at this point to not, you

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know, it wouldn't be as crisp as it was in forgets or not.

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But they, they, if they had the imagination.

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You know, the palate to do it, then it could be that exciting to

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watch.

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There is some sort of computer generated landscapes in this

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episode and they look terrible.

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Like they look so appallingly fake and we'll laugh at one of them

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in a minute.

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I mean, even this cliff.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, what could be more dull than this?

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They go wandering in the night in the storm and suddenly there's a

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cliff.

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I think this is the cave, you know, that no, I mean, I could list

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20 episodes where they feel in this cave.

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Are we hiding from the silicon, the silicon entity?

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What's it called?

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Crystalline entity.

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And when, remember when Kira was turning into a massive crystal?

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Jesus Christ.

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I think that was in this cave.

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Heart of Stone?

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that what that's called?

483
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Oh, I love that episode. love it.

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So ridiculous.

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But yeah, so it's just in the same sets that they've been doing

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this shit in for like 10 years or whatever or 20 years. like 20

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years, 15 years, whatever.

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It's just tedious.

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You remember we were earlier when we were talking about how

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appalling they are towards Tapau.

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Yeah. to Paul, to Paul. to Paul.

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Yeah, to Paul.

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What's even more annoying, yeah, is she is hideously unlikeable at

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this point.

495
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It's like lose lose on both sides.

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Yeah, yeah, but I sympathise with her because they're such

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assholes that that's the demeanour that I would be taking as

498
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well.

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I think I have a lot of sympathy for her.

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I think I actually kind of like the way she shuts Cutler down when

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in that early scene.

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She says, oh, I've been drinking plough meat soup or whatever, and

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she says, go and phase the oscillators or some damn thing.

504
00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:33.119
I don't want to know you.

505
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.700
You stupid people.

506
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.640
But it's so important because do you remember in the 2nd episode

507
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.319
right, where they're deep doing?

508
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:43.799
It might have even been in Broken Bow, where they're doing the

509
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.619
decontamination chamber scenes and they have it all get down to

510
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:50.160
their underwear and they're all massaging gel into each other in

511
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.440
the most unerotic way possible.

512
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:55.680
Like, it's like, you know, like people rubbing KY jelly

513
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:56.099
interview.

514
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.660
I mean, it's just obscene.

515
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.059
They're trying to sexualise her from the off, you know?

516
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:05.460
Yeah, but I mean, the show had been like massively sexless since

517
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.400
sort of Roddenbury started to stand back from it.

518
00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:12.240
And it was always sort of sexy in a sort of incredibly creepy

519
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.420
rotten-bury way when it was sexy, like the naked now.

520
00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:17.759
DS9, you know, on DS9.

521
00:25:17.940 --> 00:25:21.900
They had an episode where everyone turned up at the infirmary and

522
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:23.339
Bashir kept saying, what happened?

523
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.039
Oh, I'm going to stop asking that question because they've all

524
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.420
been at it and they've all got injuries.

525
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.640
Oh my god, that sounds terrible.

526
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.500
Oh no, it's hilarious.

527
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.440
Dax and Wolf come in. covered in bruises.

528
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.359
Oh, dear idea.

529
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:40.380
Well, we did have Keiko and Miles banging in the episode that we

530
00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:40.619
did.

531
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.599
No, I can't wait.

532
00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:47.279
They dissolved, crossfaded to avoid it.

533
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:52.740
So again, now, you know, like we're all in the sets talking and

534
00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:56.579
stuff like that and this brave new era of Star Trek is looking

535
00:25:56.579 --> 00:26:00.420
very much like the most boring bits of the previous era, I think.

536
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.980
But also as well, do you not think it's just fundamentally flawed

537
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:08.339
to have a prequel series set at this point?

538
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.019
what can they do with this?

539
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.319
But you see, I don't think it matters.

540
00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:16.380
And one of the reasons for that is that I think discovery works

541
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:20.759
even though it's set 10 years before Star Trek, and they get out

542
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.519
of it, but I think that that series...

543
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.940
They absolutely jumped away from it being a prequel series, didn't

544
00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:27.059
they?

545
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:28.079
They went into the future.

546
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:31.200
And in this, they went into the expanse in series three.

547
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:31.740
Yeah.

548
00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:34.740
I think in both series, they were like, well, we're going to rock

549
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:36.240
the boat too much if we keep doing this.

550
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:40.500
Well, you see, I think part of the problem, too, is that it's

551
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:48.539
cheaper to have a ship-based show and it's sort of promised in a

552
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:52.920
way a little bit that it would kind of tell us about the 22nd

553
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.880
century and how humanity joins the Federation and stuff.

554
00:26:56.940 --> 00:27:00.539
And it can't deliver on that, can it?

555
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.839
Because we're just a ship travelling through space having

556
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.519
adventures and solving problems.

557
00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:08.220
It's just never, ever going to lead to that.

558
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.559
And so kind of what's the point?

559
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:16.619
I mean, discovery is using a known time period to comment on the

560
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:23.700
period in American history kind of starting at 2001 when this goes

561
00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:28.200
out up to the sort of Trump era, but it's doing that in the

562
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.859
context of a war that we know about from Star Trek law.

563
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.059
So that's why it's set there.

564
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.559
I mean, this is set around events that we know happened, but it

565
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.119
turns out that they're not very interesting.

566
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:40.740
I mean, how do you get a federation together?

567
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:46.200
A lot of people talking in rooms with, you know, yeah, Star Trek

568
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.220
for you, isn't he?

569
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.240
No, but I mean like conferences and you know, and all of that sort

570
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:51.599
of thing.

571
00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:55.500
Like it's not fun TV. and they're never going to do that.

572
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.299
Literally, in season four.

573
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.079
It literally comes to that where you've got, what's his name?

574
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:07.079
The mayor, Harry Gronick from Buffy, as this politician who's

575
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.960
bringing together all these people into this big chamber, and it

576
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.339
is literally just a load of meetings.

577
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.900
So you're like, oh.

578
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.339
That's it.

579
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.319
It's always gonna be that, isn't it?

580
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:21.539
The most interesting thing they did away from season three. which

581
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:25.559
is was completely outside of Enterprise's own kind of mythology

582
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.779
that it was building because it was in another region of space.

583
00:28:27.779 --> 00:28:33.480
In season four, they had um a group of extremists that were

584
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.259
systematically trying to remove all aliens from Earth.

585
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.279
They were like xenophobes and they were trying to make, you know

586
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.400
of, I don't know what they were called now, earthists or something

587
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:44.700
like that.

588
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.160
And but it, but...

589
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.640
It was, and it was done over the season.

590
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:55.440
So very subtly, they were, you realise that there were less and

591
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.460
less aliens on earth.

592
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.539
And then in the end, obviously, they take down this extremist

593
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:00.960
group.

594
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.440
And then that's supposed to lead into, you know, we're now we're

595
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:08.400
going to embrace alien life, create this federation, and, you know

596
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.640
and it was just, and then the, then the act came down and they

597
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.940
said, no, we're not making any more and we're going to end it on a

598
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:15.960
TNG episode instead.

599
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:20.460
Yeah, as a farewell to Berman Trek rather than a farewell to

600
00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:21.599
enterprise itself.

601
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:23.819
Did not go down well, did it?

602
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.579
No, and I can kind of understand that. guess.

603
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.579
Nathan, I can't help but notice we're commenting very little on

604
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:30.660
the content episode.

605
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:34.859
So this is a thing that they've done where we don't really have

606
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:35.940
the transporter.

607
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:41.339
And so we're transporting Novokovich back up to Enterprise with no

608
00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:42.420
definite article.

609
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:45.660
And he is, he's covered implants.

610
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.180
They're embedded in him, which I think is actually kind of pretty

611
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:48.420
cool.

612
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:55.559
Okay, so this is super unpleasant because now Tucker is under the

613
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.500
influence of the hallucinogenic thing.

614
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:06.059
And he is absolutely openly racist to Tapol. and he's also as

615
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:06.299
well.

616
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.700
Look at how this is acted and shot.

617
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.880
Like, I'm watching this with the sound down and he looks like a

618
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.619
like a drunken man.

619
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:19.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. in an abusive way.

620
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:22.559
He threatens to split her in half at one point.

621
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:25.380
Like, he does threaten to get violent with her.

622
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:30.059
He is pointing a gun at her and it's really, really unpleasant to

623
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:30.359
watch.

624
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.920
And at this point, Tapol doesn't seem to realise that there's a

625
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:39.960
drug involved and just sort of thinks that he's, you know, just a

626
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.319
massive asshole, I think at this point.

627
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:47.400
And then just look at the sort of inept way these other 2

628
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.259
characters are sidelined.

629
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:56.099
So like Travis and Cutler are just sitting against the, the, you

630
00:30:56.099 --> 00:31:00.480
know, the Jabelite wall, going to sleep or something.

631
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:02.759
They're overcome with something. his name again?

632
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.359
Meriweather.

633
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.980
Yeah, Travis Merriweather.

634
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.380
Not Mayweather.

635
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:07.980
Mayweather.

636
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.059
Mayweather, not Mayweather.

637
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:09.359
See?

638
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.220
You've got me doing it.

639
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:12.299
You've got me doing it.

640
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:15.720
It's in it right, but we'll see.

641
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:18.299
No, we won't, because he never gets to do anything.

642
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.039
This is the most I think he does.

643
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.579
Yeah, they completely sideline him and he's got some backstory.

644
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.539
He's a boomer, which doesn't mean what it means now, but that's

645
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:29.220
not very interesting character.

646
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:31.920
I think in the 4 years, you know, he gets one episode, which is

647
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:32.339
about him.

648
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.420
One episode, which is, whereas, you know, to poll, you know, the 3

649
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.319
who rule, to poll, archer and who's the other trip.

650
00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:41.460
They get tons.

651
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.960
Do you think this scene is kind of considered acceptable because

652
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:50.579
she's not scared because she's, you know, stony faced and

653
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:54.299
completely not not bothered by how he's doing.

654
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:54.900
Yeah, yeah.

655
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.960
I think if she was frightened, it would be worse, but it still

656
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.980
doesn't stop, one of our main characters and the 2nd most

657
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:07.859
important character on the show, probably, from appearing just

658
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:11.579
like an absolute, horrible racist asshole.

659
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.619
Now, let's talk about Dr. Flowers.

660
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.279
Well, can I just say a moment for Dr. Fox, who is absolutely the

661
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.319
MVP of Enterprise.

662
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:20.759
He's really good, isn't he?

663
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:21.839
He's really great.

664
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:23.460
Everything he touches.

665
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.160
Every scene he touches is just gold.

666
00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:31.619
Don Billingsley is is charming in a way that none of the other

667
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.400
regulars are.

668
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.200
And guess what?

669
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:35.880
He's the alien character.

670
00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:36.900
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.319
Well, the other alien character, I guess, but he's someone that

672
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:41.400
we've never seen before.

673
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:45.480
And again, you know, he is over against the kind of white

674
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:50.039
heterosexuality of the kind of crew because he has, does he have

675
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:51.240
wives and husbands and things?

676
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:53.339
No, they're like polygamous, doesn't he?

677
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:54.539
He's got a wife and a husband.

678
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:54.900
Yeah.

679
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:55.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

680
00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:59.039
And his wife, in one brilliant episode, his wife comes onto the

681
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.519
ship, right?

682
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:02.880
And she comes on, she comes on to trip and he's like, 0 my God.

683
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.920
And he's like, I'm going to have to tell Dr. Fox.

684
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.740
And so he goes and tells him and he's like, yes, well, did you

685
00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:08.160
enjoy her?

686
00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:10.319
He's like, right.

687
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:16.740
Any of his tongue and spice coming out of his head and they just

688
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:19.740
having they're having fun with that character in a way they don't

689
00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:20.700
with the others, you know?

690
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.200
No, and he's really good.

691
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.440
And there's a there's a scene where he has to do some like proper

692
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.500
serious acting in a minute, which I think is the most interesting

693
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:31.980
scene there because you can actually see bacula.

694
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.599
You can visibly see Bacula struggling against the script and

695
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.660
trying to make Archer not an asshole.

696
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.140
And, you know, like, it's it's a thing.

697
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.880
Even this scene, right?

698
00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:51.539
Where, where, um, where, uh, Flux has identified the name of the

699
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:58.140
chemical and Archer can't say it, like, Flux says it, and Archer

700
00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:01.140
like, tries to say it and then has to get flocks to help him.

701
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.940
And that's because he's stupid and that's, do you know what I

702
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:06.119
mean?

703
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:08.519
It's kind of like we don't want him to be a threat.

704
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:12.719
We don't want him to be not relatable because he's very smart.

705
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:17.579
And so we'll make him like this sort of schlubby half wit.

706
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.880
And, you know, like, I'm sure that this is not the direction the

707
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.960
show, you know, eventually settles on, but it is kind of

708
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.340
disappointing, I think.

709
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.739
Well, do you think of think of DS9?

710
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.860
Think of Voyager, yeah, Cisco and Janeway.

711
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.860
Now, I'm not saying they're perfect characters, but they were

712
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:36.539
hugely likeable, weren't they?

713
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.960
They were like you wanted to watch them and you wanted to watch

714
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.340
their interactions with the crew.

715
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.860
I don't really want to watch Archer.

716
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.420
And that's a problem.

717
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.579
He's the main character on this show.

718
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:48.539
Yeah.

719
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.480
I just want to say 2 things about trip.

720
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:55.800
One, unfortunately, he does make me weak, because I think he's

721
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:56.579
super hot.

722
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.000
And two, he is acting these, seems really well.

723
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:01.800
He's a terrific actor, Conor Trinick.

724
00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:06.480
And he generally gets, um, like the big emotional episodes.

725
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:09.539
Like, do you remember the, did you ever see the one where he

726
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:10.559
there's a clone of him?

727
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:16.559
No, who's grown and and falls in love with and it's a really

728
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.199
fantastic episode and basically down to his acting.

729
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:23.760
So I think I think he is, he becomes a good character, but these

730
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.079
are very humble beginnings for him.

731
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:25.920
Yeah, yeah.

732
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:26.280
Yeah.

733
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.260
So it takes them a while, I think.

734
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.099
But all of this, you can see it reacting against the previous 21

735
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:34.860
series of new trek.

736
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:35.639
I think.

737
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.320
You know what it reminds me?

738
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:42.840
It reminds me of Stargate Universe where they did exactly the same

739
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.079
thing.

740
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:48.420
So you had Atlantis and you had SG1, which were great big camp, fun

741
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.780
Stargate shows. and then they decided to make Stargate human.

742
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.500
So we went off into another region of space where were mostly

743
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:56.280
human cars.

744
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:59.340
The pace slowed right down and it was supposed to be without the

745
00:35:59.340 --> 00:35:59.760
characters.

746
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:00.360
And guess what?

747
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:04.380
They took out all the fun of Stargame and it was really boring.

748
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:11.460
I mean, one of the things this show does, though, is that it

749
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:17.519
embraces original trek in a way that the others hadn't quite done

750
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:17.760
that.

751
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.920
Eventually it does.

752
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:20.880
Yeah, it does.

753
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:24.960
It takes until series 4, I think, truly a base to US.

754
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:29.219
Yeah, I guess at this point it's just a sort of sequel to 1st

755
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:30.960
contact or something, you know.

756
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.760
But don't you think as well, the technology looks really boring.

757
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:40.019
Like, like if we could discovery and and, you know, the spore

758
00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:44.280
drive and the weird, you know, frisbee ship that flips around and

759
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.619
things like that, you know, like super, super fun to watch.

760
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.619
I would say be sexy. so boring.

761
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:56.699
I think this scene here between Archer and Flocks is really good.

762
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:02.820
And you can see, look, flocks is almost on the verge of tears.

763
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.159
You can just see that in his performance.

764
00:37:05.219 --> 00:37:07.019
He's really, really upset.

765
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:14.519
And he's blaming himself because Novokovic, who died in the

766
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.019
original draft, looks like he's going to die, right?

767
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.320
And so he's super abashed.

768
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:24.059
He can't look Archer in the eye.

769
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.039
He's clearly clearly upset and blaming himself.

770
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.460
And Archer does absolutely nothing about it.

771
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.059
Archer doesn't say there was no way you could have known.

772
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:43.079
He yells, and now here Archer looks back and just thinks, oh, you

773
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.079
know, maybe I'm a bit of a prick and, you know, he feels, he looks

774
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.760
sad, but then he walks off because, because, and I think that that

775
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:56.519
is bacular, trying to soften the blow, you know, like, flux is

776
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.719
upset, um, Archer's yelling about his stranded crew people, then

777
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.139
he walks out, looks across, looks kind of slightly regretful and

778
00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:04.980
then walks off.

779
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.900
It's...

780
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:07.739
What an asshole.

781
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.840
Yeah, he's really horrible.

782
00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:13.320
I don't think it was scheduling issues that stopped you from

783
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:14.099
watching this, you know.

784
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.400
I mean, you took you took one look at some of these characters and

785
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:18.239
thought, no, I'm out.

786
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.019
Yeah.

787
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:19.739
Yeah.

788
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.039
In fact, I was a little bit annoyed to Paul because I thought she

789
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.659
was probably just a sort of 7 of 9 knockoff, which essentially

790
00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:28.019
was.

791
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.699
She could have is at this point.

792
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:32.159
Again, she, again, she does do that.

793
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:36.420
And in series three, they do what could have been an agonising.

794
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.260
She's like addicted to drugs in series three.

795
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:44.699
So she experiences a whole range of emotions, which opens out the

796
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:46.500
performance of, was it Jolene?

797
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:48.300
Blake Laylock?

798
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.599
Yeah, in innate Blish.

799
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.119
And now that's Shronya.

800
00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:57.960
No, that's not saying that.

801
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:05.400
But I, again, I just think she's incredibly like mundane to watch

802
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.019
in the 1st couple of years.

803
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.539
I do love that we've got to the point where Tripp now doesn't want

804
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:15.179
to take an injection because it's not going to do any good and

805
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.719
there's a conspiracy around trying to get him to have an injection

806
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:23.039
which works really well for a kind of, you know, from a modern

807
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:23.639
point of view.

808
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:24.659
It's very timely.

809
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.940
Wouldn't it?

810
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.860
Um, this is completely away from me.

811
00:39:28.980 --> 00:39:32.760
Wouldn't this would have been the ideal trek show to have had a

812
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.079
gay male character in?

813
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:37.860
But with all these men in the cast, you know?

814
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.000
But that's the point.

815
00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:43.260
The point is it's reacting against the kind of diversity that we

816
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:43.679
had.

817
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:47.579
And remember it was a diversity that didn't include gay and

818
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:51.119
lesbian people because I think that he wants to make the show more

819
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.260
accessible.

820
00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:55.019
They want to make the show more accessible and they want to do it

821
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:58.739
by making it a bit more all American and a bit less cosmopolitan.

822
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.719
I don't want a French guy as the captain.

823
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:03.119
They don't want someone who likes classical music.

824
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:04.980
They want some...

825
00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:08.340
I think they're making it accessible to the wrong people and it is

826
00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:11.519
kind of diametrically opposed to what Star Trek is supposed to be

827
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:12.599
about. that's right.

828
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:17.340
And I don't think it sticks and it absolutely doesn't work because

829
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:20.639
3 years in and they're going to be cancelled because no one's

830
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:20.880
watching.

831
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:24.659
Holy crap, that's terrible. looks so shit, don't they?

832
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.519
Sure, they don't lie.

833
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:28.860
They look like, do you remember that episode where Abraham

834
00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:30.960
Lincoln's floating in space in front of you?

835
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.360
And there's that massive turd monster.

836
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.699
Except the turd monster smoked and had glowing eyes and was

837
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:39.179
amazing.

838
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:48.420
The other thing too. is that Star Trek is normally done, I said

839
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:53.159
before, Star Trek doesn't do sort of German expressionism, what we

840
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.559
see on screen is supposed to be what's happening.

841
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.400
And certainly, you know, that some episodes play with that and

842
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.519
modern track has got completely away from that.

843
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:07.739
But here, you know, we're supposed to kind of, it's sort of, our

844
00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:10.500
the default setting is if trips these rock monsters, they're

845
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.679
really there, because that's the way stories are normally told on

846
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:14.519
Star Trek.

847
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.380
And so to discover that they're not real.

848
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.840
I don't know whether that's interesting or not, but it is a

849
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:19.139
thing.

850
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.599
Do you know as well, right?

851
00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:25.679
Aesthetically, yeah, we watched the Corbin Corbinite maneuver

852
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.360
before this, didn't we?

853
00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:31.079
Which had that like weird floating object in the sky and that

854
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.920
crazy set at the end and that bizarre bald kid with the huge

855
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.059
eyebrows.

856
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:39.360
And just like weird, fun, crazy stuff, right?

857
00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:41.219
And this is supposed to be set just before that.

858
00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:43.380
And it's enough.

859
00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:45.119
It could look more plain.

860
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.260
Yeah, yeah.

861
00:41:46.260 --> 00:41:47.159
In comparison.

862
00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:51.539
Well, and I think there's a level of embarrassment about just the

863
00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:55.019
nonsense that Star Trek eventually becomes, you know, like if you

864
00:41:55.019 --> 00:41:59.219
think about the way that lower decks looks affectionately at how

865
00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:03.840
silly the whole kind of idea of Star Trek is and and, you know

866
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.840
makes fun of all the sort of crazy crap that goes on.

867
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:08.400
But that's why we're watching it.

868
00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:10.440
You know, like if you're embarrassed by that.

869
00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:13.920
If you want a show that's more realistic or whatever, I think

870
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.300
you're just watching the wrong thing.

871
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.460
For you and me, right?

872
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.880
I think, like, remember we talked about your list of DS9 episodes

873
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.480
and you went for a lot of like the fun ones, the comedy ones, the

874
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.159
ones where they're a bit silly, yeah?

875
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:29.280
So I think that's absolutely like you're in for some of Star

876
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:29.820
Trek.

877
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.559
And there's none of that hits.

878
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.059
So you're going to struggle with this.

879
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:38.760
My into Star Trek is interesting characters. and their

880
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.940
relationships. and there's really none of that here as well.

881
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.380
And you and I, okay, we're both white, but we're not heterosexual

882
00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:47.039
men, are we?

883
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:47.820
Yeah.

884
00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:50.639
Like, no wonder we struggle with this.

885
00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:51.960
Do you think there's an audience for this?

886
00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.760
Well, it turns out no.

887
00:42:53.820 --> 00:43:01.199
I mean, look, I mean, we're still watching it, and it is Star Trek

888
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.539
and we're interested in Star Trek, not just as a fun thing to

889
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:04.920
watch.

890
00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:07.860
We are watching this because our randomiser forces to do it.

891
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.599
Well, yeah, okay.

892
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:16.380
But also, you know, like we love Star Trek and we're interested in

893
00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:17.099
where it goes.

894
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.559
And so it's the same way that you and I watch Doctor Who, like we

895
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.139
love Doctor Who, but there are bits of it we like more than

896
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:25.500
others.

897
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.059
But also, we're interested in how the show gets made and what's

898
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:33.480
happening at the time and what it's reacting to and kind of what's

899
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:33.900
going on.

900
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.900
And I think, you know, this episode has at least given us that to

901
00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:37.380
talk about.

902
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:43.739
What is interesting is in series 3 where they suddenly go all out

903
00:43:43.739 --> 00:43:47.400
ambitious is they're basically acknowledging that this isn't

904
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:47.639
working.

905
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:52.980
They push, and in series 4, when we go back to, you know, Earth

907
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:54.840
and the alpha quadrant.

908
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.099
They don't start doing this again, they are doing, you know, big

909
00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:02.579
three-part arc, they're setting up continuity for TOS in a big

910
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:02.760
way.

911
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.699
It's a weird blind alley series one or 2 of enterprise.

912
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.739
Well, I mean, I think Deep Space 9 reinvents itself sort of fairly

913
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:18.719
regularly, but I, you know... building blocks with it.

914
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:19.980
Yeah, that's right.

915
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:20.519
That's right.

916
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:21.960
It doesn't sort of throw stuff out.

917
00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:25.019
And I think it does it more skilfully, perhaps, than this.

918
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.420
But and also we've got the benefit of hindsight and looking at the

919
00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:35.219
whole 7 years and seeing how successful those various reinventions

920
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:36.239
are.

921
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.119
So, you know, like...

922
00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:41.159
Sorry, I didn't even see how that resolved then.

923
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:42.719
How did they shoot?

924
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:43.619
with a gun.

925
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.119
And that's it.

926
00:44:45.179 --> 00:44:50.039
Well, um, so Captain Archer tells him a lie and persuades him to

927
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.280
put his weapon down to trust him and put his weapon down and then

928
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.880
he shoots, she shoots him with a gun and then she...

929
00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.760
I mean, I do keep using that word.

931
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:02.760
But this is like the 1st away mission, isn't it?

932
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:04.019
Yeah, I think so.

933
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.820
And so again, look, here we are.

934
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.659
Southern California.

935
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:07.739
Super boring looking.

936
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.780
Now back in the standing cave set. that is just, you know, in one

937
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:13.679
of the hangers.

938
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:18.780
And so this scene too.

939
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.079
So noticed that he rejected the water that she brought before

940
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.579
because he thought it was poisoned.

941
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:26.760
Now he's drinking the water to indicate that he's okay.

942
00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:31.260
There's a cute line, which could have been actually played

943
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:34.260
slightly better, where he says you didn't shoot me last night and

944
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:37.800
she says, I'm afraid I did, which is kind of fun.

945
00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:42.659
And and like this is the scene where we need some kind of

946
00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:45.960
acknowledgement that she was writing. along.

947
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:50.039
And also an apology for the racism.

948
00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:53.579
We didn't mention the thing where she's speaking in Vulcan and

949
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:56.519
Tripp starts threatening her for speaking in Vulcan.

950
00:45:56.579 --> 00:46:01.079
Like some asshole on a bus yelling at, you know, it's like the

951
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.199
woman wearing the hijab or something, you know, like those YouTube

952
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.699
videos of people being racist people speaking Spanish on the train

953
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:09.300
or something.

954
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.599
You know, it's super horribly uncomfortable to watch.

955
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:16.980
What's interesting about what happens with her character is it's

956
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:20.280
she basically goes over to the other side.

957
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:24.659
She starts behaving like them and rejecting Vulcan culture.

958
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.739
So she's like, she's assimulated into their racism, you know?

959
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.639
Right.

960
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:36.000
But here, so here Tripp tells her a story about the biology

961
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:42.780
teacher who was a Vulcan, whom he hallucinated before, and who

962
00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:48.780
scared him when he was a kid at school, and who told him he should

963
00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:55.980
challenge his, you know, uh, his, um, kind of prejudices or

964
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.400
whatever.

965
00:46:56.460 --> 00:47:02.639
And and the 2 actors are playing it as if it was the scene that

966
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:03.599
needed to be written.

967
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:07.739
You know, and but it's not that scene.

968
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.179
It's not an apology.

969
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:10.380
It's nothing.

970
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:11.639
No one's learned anything.

971
00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:15.719
But and this shocking...

972
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.039
Oh, so bad.

973
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.360
Like, they've done better than that, you know?

974
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:23.039
They know better than that.

975
00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:24.539
They have done better than that.

976
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:28.800
That scene of Cutler with the sun on her face is actually quite

977
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.000
nice, bless her.

978
00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:32.039
And then the episode just fizzles out.

979
00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:35.940
We haven't learnt anything, and we're still massive space

980
00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:36.960
racists.

981
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.019
I'm wondering if at this point, because the 2nd episode was a bit

982
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:41.340
of a nothing episode as well.

983
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.699
I think that was Hoshi learning alien languages and weird stuff

984
00:47:44.699 --> 00:47:45.179
happening there.

985
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.199
Oh, wow.

986
00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:48.599
The 3rd episode has started and arches in the shower.

987
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:53.460
Immediately my interest has picked up, but that's a different

988
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:54.420
episode entirely.

989
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.840
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

990
00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:02.159
The end of that episode there, it reaches no conclusions about

991
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:03.300
anyone's behaviour.

992
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.500
So what was the point of it?

993
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:06.119
Yeah, what's it about?

994
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:08.039
It's not about anything.

995
00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:12.960
It's just about the 1st away mission, and it's not that

996
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.900
interesting and away mission, and it's not solved in a clever

997
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:16.139
way.

998
00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:21.960
They're not even learning about like any culture on the planet or

999
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:22.619
anything like that.

1000
00:48:22.739 --> 00:48:26.880
So is this the most insubstantial Star Trek episode?

1001
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.940
It's certainly, it's certainly one of them.

1002
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.960
It is it's puzzling how little areas to it, I think.

1003
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:35.159
Yeah.

1004
00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:39.119
And what there is is often a bit unpleasant.

1005
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:45.300
Well, what I can tell you is this. is I have seen a lot more

1006
00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:48.840
enterprise than you, and there are way better episodes of this to

1007
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:49.139
come.

1008
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:54.539
Now, I know we have chats on this episode and the series from a

1009
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.860
great height for the last hour.

1010
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.699
And if you're a massive enterprise fan, you know, apologies. you're

1011
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:00.239
not still listening.

1012
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I will reiterate.

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00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:07.619
It does get better than this, you know, and they do learn how to

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00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:08.880
make good telly.

1015
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.699
It just takes 2 years.

1016
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.019
You know?

1017
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:21.659
So, we are currently on untitled Star Trek project.com slash

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00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:25.559
randomiser to pick out next Star Trek episode.

1019
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:30.300
And I've come up with the principle that we're going to use to

1020
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:34.920
choose which series we're going to do, but can you explain it to

1021
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:36.239
the listeners at home, Joe?

1022
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:45.000
We have decided that we want to do a 2nd episode of a series that

1023
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:45.840
we've already covered.

1024
00:49:45.900 --> 00:49:50.219
Yeah, it's not just that we are trying to avoid Star Trek, the

1025
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.239
animated series, is it?

1026
00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.940
It's not a...

1027
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.300
No.

1028
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.900
I haven't seen any of that, so I'm intrigued by Star Trek the

1029
00:49:57.900 --> 00:49:58.619
animated series.

1030
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.659
We'll have to do one soon.

1031
00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:03.780
It's really terrible All right.

1032
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.960
I reckon as well what we should do for once.

1033
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:09.719
Right, just for once is whatever we get.

1034
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:14.760
Whatever we get. the 1st time. time around is what we do.

1035
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:15.780
Yeah.

1036
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.579
Well, let's do that this time.

1037
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:18.539
Well, maybe.

1038
00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:25.019
So yeah, the selected series are the all of the Berman tracks.

1039
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:32.400
So TNG DS9 Voyager and Enterprise, the original series and

1040
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.059
Discovery, which we've all done an episode of.

1041
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.000
Before I push the gun, I've got a question for you.

1042
00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:39.840
Yeah.

1043
00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:43.559
What's been your favourite series to talk about so far?

1044
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:51.900
Um, I have to say that I enjoyed the Voyager episode because I

1045
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:55.500
thought it was a bit of a crummy episode initially, but it turned

1046
00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:58.260
out to be more interesting than I initially thought.

1047
00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:01.199
And I think that was kind of fun.

1048
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:05.159
But the episode that we've done that I've enjoyed the most has

1049
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.000
been forget me not.

1050
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:09.840
I think it's the best episode of Star Trek that we've done.

1051
00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:12.659
Even beating out yesterday's enterprise, I think.

1052
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.320
I've been completely thrown because I figured talking about the

1053
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.980
original series was going to be a bit of a challenge and I just

1054
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:22.380
adored talking about the court of my maneuver.

1055
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.079
That was so, yeah, Kurt with his shirt off and Latronia.

1056
00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:29.639
You know, so glorious.

1057
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:31.559
Okay, all right.

1058
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:34.380
So my finger is hovering over the button, if you are ready.

1059
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.119
Off you go.

1060
00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:36.960
Press the button.

1061
00:51:40.019 --> 00:51:41.639
Oh my word.

1062
00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:43.440
Oh, what is it?

1063
00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:44.280
Is it good?

1064
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:46.619
It's yesterday's Enterprise again.

1065
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.800
This was on your top 10 DS9 list.

1066
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:50.820
Oh, what is it?

1067
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:54.659
It's take me out to the hola suite.

1068
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.460
Can we do that?

1069
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.340
Let's do that. recently, I watched this week.

1070
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.019
What do you think?

1071
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.000
Oh my god, that was sad.

1072
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:05.460
Wow, how fun would that be to talk about?

1073
00:52:05.579 --> 00:52:07.500
I think we do it.

1074
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.360
Okay, yeah, let's do it.

1075
00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:10.739
Let's do it.

1076
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.239
Let's not fool about.

1077
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.559
We both on the door.

1078
00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:15.960
Just in case anyone isn't aware of what that's about.

1079
00:52:16.019 --> 00:52:21.239
That is the DS9 episode that during a long bloody war.

1080
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:24.179
They decide to take time out to play a game of baseball.

1081
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:25.139
Yeah.

1082
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.119
Is there racism against the Vulcans again?

1083
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:28.920
Maybe.

1084
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:31.679
Do you know, I think there is, you know.

1085
00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:35.099
But they do, they try and give it some context in that.

1086
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.619
It's a bit laboured, but...

1087
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. a very TV backstory, isn't it?

1088
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.539
So it's series 7, is it?

1089
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:48.960
series 7, episode three. and it's our 2nd no, our 3rd episode

1090
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.659
written by room more.

1091
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.059
Yesterday's Enterprise, he was involved in...

1092
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:58.500
House of War, and this is Rob Moore, you know, completely going

1093
00:52:58.500 --> 00:52:59.820
for the comedy jugger.

1094
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:00.599
Brilliant.

1095
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:04.260
And another episode three, which seems to be our pattern as well.

1096
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.659
Oh, and it has Cassidy Yates in it as well.

1097
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.400
Oh, we love her.

1098
00:53:08.460 --> 00:53:09.239
Yeah.

1099
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You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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and Nathan Bottomley.

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You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where

1102
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you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:29.639
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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composed by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 12th of November 2021 and

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released on the 10th of December.

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We'll see you next time for Deep Space 9's Take Me Out to the

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Hollosweed.