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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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This is a bit of an exciting moment for us because we are actually watching a two-part enterprise story from series four.

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It's the 1st time we've strayed out of series one and series two, and it's the 1st time I've ever watched any series 4 of Enterprise at all.

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And I actually thought it was pretty good.

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I think this is for enterprise.

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And that is a big caveat there.

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Very good.

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Yeah.

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I think I think it where sort of putting it in comparison to the rest of Star Trek.

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It's just good.

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Yeah, I think it's just good.

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I think it does do things that only enterprise can do.

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And it does cover some ground that we might have had before, but we'll talk about that as we sort of go in.

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But, you know, we actually rolled these are the voyages at the end of last episode, didn't we, and decided not to do it, and then got this instead.

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And I'm kind of glad of that because I think this does actually form a fairly solid final episode and it sort of says what we've been doing all this time and why we're here in a way that I think is reasonably satisfying, if not sort of technically brilliant.

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Oh, you know, I thought it was okay.

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Like you said to me on the chart.

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This is uniquely enterprise as well.

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Like only Enterprise could tell this story.

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I'm pretty pleased we didn't roll, these are the voyages because I watched that after this.

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And I'm not sure you could possibly be prepared for the profanity that I would express if we were doing a commentary for that one, but can I drop a tiny bit of trivia, always, a quote from Manicoso about these 2 episodes?

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Because I think there's a bit of a discussion about whether this is the enterprise finale or whether these are the voyages or the enterprise finale.

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And as far as I can tell, the production team considered demons and Terra Prime to be the enterprise finale and these are the voyages to be the sort of the 90s trek. finale.

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So Koto says, I really like those episodes.

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My heart was really in that because I felt it was a fitting end for the series.

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The show ended up coming back to the earth, and to our solar system, and the idea that humanity still had one hurdle to go through, and that was a part of humanity, was not accepting of aliens and aliens in our world because some people felt we were being corrupted.

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We had to exercise our last vestige of xenophobia.

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I thought it was a really fitting end for enterprise because one of the basic tenets of Star Trek is infinite diversity in infinite combinations.

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This was a way to address that idea that we not quite reach there yet.

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You had a character played by Peter Weller, who wanted aliens to leave the earth and was against comingling with aliens.

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And we ended up with a wonderful speech by Captain Archer, and a wonderful performance by Scott Bacula in front of the Nascent Federation, which kind of laid down the idea for Star Trek.

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Yeah.

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So that's what they were going for here.

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Then he's asked about these are the voyages.

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And he says not to deride these are the voyages.

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We, Brandon, Rick and I always looked at Demons and Terra Prime as the finale for Enterprise.

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And these are the voyages was intended to be a finale for the entire 18 year run of Star Trek, starting with NextGen, and all the ways to Enterprise.

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So this is it.

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This is, this is, Enterprises, what you leave behind, Endgame, you know, this is, this is their ending.

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Yeah, and I think, you know, one of the things that I like about modern trek is that it foregrounds, those principles.

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And in fact, you know, this makes me think of, you know, not just the Terran Empire, who is kind of suggested by Tara Prime.

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That's where we end up if the Terra Prime.

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People win.

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I know that's not true because the timeline diverges before 1st contact, according to this show, but the Terran Empire is xenophobic and so on.

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We had that as the major theme of Picard series 2.

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You know, there was a big choice that was going to take place in 2024 and are we going to reject aliens and regard them as enemies?

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Are we going to be the Confederation or the Federation?

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And so that's what's being addressed here.

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And given the kind of discomfort that Braga and Berman had with those ideas and how little they seem to enjoy kind of centring them, I thought it was really refreshing for Enterprise to do this.

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And I think it did it reasonably well.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Interestingly, there's the two part Mirror Universe episode directly before this.

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Oh, it shows you, it kind of shows you the direction we could have gone in in a very crazy comic book way with a runaround on the original series defiant with a gone and things like that.

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So I've also got a quote here from Rick Berman.

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Okay.

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I want to sort of dig into a little bit about why he thought the...

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Yeah.

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And he says, it's kind of something you said to me before as well.

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The fact that we've done 624 hours of Star Trek over the last 18 years.

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There's a point where you can reach a sense of overkill.

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It's probably a good idea to lay fallow for a while and rejuvenate.

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Franchise fatigue is how he describes it.

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Yeah.

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You could kind of point at enterprise and save franchise for city, couldn't you?

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Oh yeah, I think so.

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And I think we've made that point before.

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And when we did generations, we could see it in evidence too, that it was in desperate need of some new blood.

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And one of the ways that, you know, again, Kurtzman Trek has dealt with that is by having different creative teams on all of the different shows and giving the shows each a sort of distinct identity.

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So it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you can run out of.

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And, of course, just in a few weeks' time, maybe just over a month.

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We're going to get the final season, probably, of Picard, which means that they're happy to end things before they get tired rather than long, long afterwards.

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I don't mean to be improper.

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But before, you know, we start losing some of the cast.

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Well, yeah, there's that too.

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That's that too.

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Yeah, I mean, enterprise has always been a bit touch and go, hasn't it?

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You know, like they clearly do the Zindiak in series 3 because they're worried that the show isn't working and there's talk about it. cancellation and maybe it's going to be cancelled at the end of series 3, but then they ended on a califhanger.

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You know, they're surprised, are they not, to get a 4th year?

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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I think they thought at the end of three, that was kind of going to be it.

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So they're like, well screw it.

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We're going to do what we always wanted to do, which is a season-long arc and just throw everything at it.

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And I think, you know, I often praise DS Knight, but I think one of the reasons that 90s trick had that kind of 18 year run was because they did run off in another direction and do something a bit different.

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And I think they've creatively, they kept it quite interesting.

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Whereas Voyager and Enterprise were just sort of towing the next generation line, weren't they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, in a way that was kind of disappointing and perhaps not what was intended.

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And one of the things that I like about this is that it's set in the solar system and on earth.

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And like it does that with sort of varying degrees of success, but I like that as a backdrop.

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That's interesting.

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I know you're going to have a few things to say about the CGI in this.

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I actually thought they did a fairly decent job of realising, fairly decent.

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Yeah, some of it's really terribly good.

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I mean, it's 20 years old now, isn't it?

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no, no, no.

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I know, I know.

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But I guess the thing with Star Trek is there is something a bit cheap about just having a ship and it goes to completely different places every week.

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And it's not until Star Trek, the Next Generation comes along that we start to build up a world.

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And then that's obviously gets filled into by Deep Space Nine, which really does that job more than any other Star Trek show.

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And so we have different places and staff.

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And Deep Space 9 is the 1st Star Trek to go back and set like a two-part story on Earth unless I'm mistaken.

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And we have family in series 4 of Star Trek, the Next Generation, which is set more or less entirely on Earth.

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And I love that.

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It gives it a feel that the films have, you know, that the original series films have of not just being set in space, but being set in our future and I liked that.

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That was maybe the thing I liked about this the most.

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And because it's the end, things happen that make a difference.

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We don't just go back to the status quo at the beginning and I think that's pretty good too.

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Well, you know, before we head into the episode.

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I'd like to set you a challenge.

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Okay.

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At some point.

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Well, you got a bit of time coming in the future.

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And my challenge to you is this, is to watch the bulk of, if not all, of series 4 of Enterprise, because I think you'll probably be pleasantly surprised.

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I think they've learned a lot of lessons.

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And I don't think Demons and Terror Prime are peak series 4, but they are good.

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They've sort of established the characters.

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They've realised Archer's a prick and they're doing some repair work on that.

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They've tried the season-long arc and tried to be massively ambitious.

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And so they've kind of in four, they do these condensed arcs of 3 episodes.

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They're truly leaning into trek continuity in a way that Kursman Trek does and they're establishing a lot of things that we would come to see in the original series of Next Generation.

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Their production values improved.

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I think you might be pleasantly surprised, you know, if you watch the whole of four.

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All right.

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Well, I'm probably sort of duty bound to do it, given that I'm on a Star Trek podcast.

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It seems a bit embarrassing to admit that I haven't seen some of it and that's much of enterprise is...

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And naturally, you know, as you can imagine, there's still some absolute shockers in there as well.

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Oh, good.

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Just for your... prime enjoyment.

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Should we watch those?

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Yeah, all right.

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I will count us in in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I can't believe you have to tell me that was Robocop, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Peter Weller.

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And this doctor, he's not going to last very long into the episode.

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Peter Weller, I think, does an amazingly good job of this.

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So they were always wearing just suits and ties.

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So were they wearing spacesuits and ties in series one?

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Were they just wearing contemporary?

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I thought they were wearing a lot.

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The boiler suits and things?

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You know, they're all, yeah, they're all in Star Trek-y style.

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Maybe this is another innovation.

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Yeah, maybe.

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I do seem to remember suits and ties or at least collars and ties in series one, like in Broken Bow.

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Um, So these 2 men are in a room and we are panning down to see that there's a baby with CGI pointed ears.

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Indeed.

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I thought that was quite effective, though, because I think we're all expecting it to be, I don't know, some, I don't know, I was expecting something hideous, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I thought that was a nice a nice little surprise.

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Well, it's a good way of selling that he's a villain or at least a massive weirdo because it's like a cute baby with non-slight, slightest possible non-human features and he's horrified by it or, you know, super apprehensive about it.

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Like I said to you, uh, before, they've ceded in season 4 up to this finale.

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So there's been mentions of like, there's not so many aliens on earth these days.

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There's been some attacks on people in other episodes, and Terra Prime has been mentioned a couple of times.

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So it's a bit like a Rusty Davis arc in the early days of the Doctor Who revival, you know, just a few hints and whispers, but enough to give this a bit of substance when it finally comes around.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's funny too, isn't it?

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Because they do their big post 911 thing where all bets are off and we don't have to care about anyone and we can just steal their warp core and run off and do whatever it takes.

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And now we have something that's the opposite of that.

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No, I think it's a huge moral failure.

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It's disgraceful.

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Is that your new favourite episode of Enterprise?

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It's yeah, yeah.

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Well, so far, it's one of my favourites.

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Terrible.

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Oh, here we go.

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CGI Starfleet headquarters.

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Yeah, so this is the thing about this is we've seen Starfleet headquarters before in Star Trek, the Next Generation, but this is different because it's, you know, a couple of 100 years earlier.

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I think there's something about the CGI that I dislike and I think it has to do with the texture.

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Everything's just sort of uniformly dirty gray, which I just think looks...

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I thought that a bit black.

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There's no need for that.

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And they always feel like, I don't know if you noticed.

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Remember we were stigma and we had the sort of establishing shot of the hospital complex or wherever it was?

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And they sort of sweeps across the CGI and they always do the same movement.

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It's not a sort of dynamic, is it?

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It's a bit like the old mat shots in 90s trek.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, they were good though.

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So we are actually on location.

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That is actually genuinely outside that sunlight you're seeing through the doors.

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It is a little bit of a pity that this is all we can afford, though.

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And the only audience is them standing on the stairs, you know?

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Yeah, but did you not, is it in the 2nd part of this?

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No, it's in these are the voyages where they put in the CGI crowd.

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Archer walks out.

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Oh, it's terrible.

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Maybe it is for the best.

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Now, look, the entire enterprise crew is assembled here and, you know, I'm going to say something.

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No, just the regulars.

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No, it's not all 80s.

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That is in a prize crew.

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That's right.

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Everybody gets a car of the pie in this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hoshi and and Travis, who are the ones that we haven't actually really talked about because they've barely been in the episodes we've covered.

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Both get great scenes, I thought.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So here's Harry Groner, who we know from Buffy.

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Yeah, it was so much more charming in Buffy, wasn't he?

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He is Tin Man in Tin Man alongside Deanna Troy.

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So he plays a betas...

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And he was more eccentric in Tin Man.

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In fact, he was more fun than all of his other appearances I've seen him in.

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Here is just sort of a standard politician who turns out to have had previous racist leanings in his past.

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Yes, yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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But he's a good actor, isn't he?

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Yeah, no, and he's doing the thing.

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I mean, he works as a politician.

216
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He was the mayor in Buffy, I guess.

217
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And so he is the unfortunately named Gannet.

218
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Jesus Christ.

219
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That's her 1st name.

220
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She's called Gannet.

221
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She's like a filthy thing about black men.

222
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Oh, no.

223
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Don't say that.

224
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That's such a, such a terrible, terrible, that's such a terrible name.

225
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Just super super upsetting.

226
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You know, and I did, I did really like these things.

227
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What just won just because is it Meriweather or Mayweather?

228
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Mayweather.

229
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I still can't decide.

230
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Just because he actually finally had a chance to do some acting 4 years into this show.

231
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I don't know if this is the most sizzling chemistry I've ever seen between 2 actors.

232
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No, no.

233
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It's a bit of a shame, but it is actually nice to see him get something to do.

234
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She's not particularly likeable and she's also called Gannet.

235
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So, you know, that's a problem as well, I think.

236
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I do think this was this woman coming along.

237
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Yes.

238
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So she just walks into the conference room.

239
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Her name is Couri, and she's been phased or stabbed or something, is that what's happening?

240
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It looks like the shittiest conference centre room.

241
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Like a bad 90s hotel.

242
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Look at how it's all kind of all the interior decoration.

243
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It is nice to see all these aliens about though, isn't it?

244
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Because like we said before, there's a bit of a whitewash on Enterprise, isn't there?

245
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when it comes to aliens.

246
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So we've got Tellerites and we've got some Andorians.

247
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Oh, that's a nasty one.

248
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That's going to sting.

249
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Those animated antennae on the Andorians make me laugh.

250
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Every time you've got Jeffrey Coombs there, usually, giving this like fantastic performance, but all I hang up to...

251
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Okay, wiggling tent.

252
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That's so great Now I think they've done something to the ship.

253
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Am I crazy or have all of the computer displays been updated to be more interesting and colourful?

254
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They're a bit brighter, aren't they?

255
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It's almost like we're heading towards TOS a little bit.

256
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Yeah, because the bridge, I think, looks more interesting as well.

257
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And it does look more Star Treky.

258
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In the previous story, they rebuild the Defiant set from TOS, which is essentially the enterprise there.

259
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Maybe the designer was going, well, this is a lot more fun than the usual boring sets we do.

260
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Well, let's start these ones up.

261
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Because apparently there was some sort of plan if we'd gone onto series 5, we would have had the Enterprise.

262
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Enterprise would have been refitted and maybe even remodelled a bit, I think, but obviously.

263
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No, I do I do think they were hitting their stride here.

264
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And I think it is a crying shame.

265
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They didn't have a season five.

266
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Even if that was the last season.

267
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Because I think it probably could have been like the ininverted commerce enterprise season, you know?

268
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It was sort of a strange thing.

269
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I don't know where they thought they were originally going.

270
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So I think series one is set in 2150 or something or 2151 maybe.

271
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Um, And the Enterprise.

272
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I mean, the Enterprise, sorry.

273
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The Federation starts in 2161.

274
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And the only reason we know that is that Deanna mentions it in a poker game.

275
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She says, you know, today's variation is Federation Day and 2s ones and 6s are wild or something.

276
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Like she's explaining the rules and that's the only way that we know.

277
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So we're 10 years out from the foundation of the federation.

278
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So we were never going to reach that in the show because Star Trek always does, you know, one season is a year, like they always do that.

279
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And I guess they could have decided that they were heading in that direction.

280
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But obviously they had no sort of real long-term plan for what they were going to do.

281
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Well, you and I have already detailed, haven't we?

282
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In the season one episodes that we've done, the sort of long list of complaints that we have about their creative decisions, everything from, you know, the incredibly dull, uh, central cast of characters, the appalling way they characterise the Vulcans, you know, like just the board, the very slight storytelling archer.

283
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Yeah.

284
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Whereas I think had they started here with a bit more substantive storytelling, actually leaning into Star Trek continuity and having lots of Easter eggs and things like that.

285
00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.539
So had they started there, I, they could have gone somewhere extraordinary, I think.

286
00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:23.640
I think it's uh, it's intended as a sequel to 1st contact rather than a prequel to um, Star Trek, the original series, don't you?

287
00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:32.339
Well, that's what, but then Manikoto comes in and basically says, but, you know, Burman and Bragger are essentially demoted, I was reading.

288
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They were said, she's like, this isn't working.

289
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You ain't getting the ratings in.

290
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You're off because they started off.

291
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I think they started off around 6000000 per episode and come the end of series three.

292
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They were getting sort of 2.5 million.

293
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They lost over half their audience.

294
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So manic character has come in to sort of give it a drive in the last season.

295
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And um and I think he succeeded.

296
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Right.

297
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Yeah, okay.

298
00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:01.259
Well, I'll tell you once I've finished watching series 4, I'll definitely do that.

299
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I do have time.

300
00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:11.940
So we've got this whole plot here of, um, Trip and Tapol and their baby that Tapol never conceived.

301
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Yes, she's never been pregnant.

302
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:22.740
So, um, I don't know what's happened, like they've just taken both their handkerchiefs or something and got DNA or something.

303
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.960
Someone stole into Paul's comb.

304
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It's a way to bring them into the story, isn't it?

305
00:21:28.019 --> 00:21:29.759
But apart from that.

306
00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:32.759
Is there any reason at all why it has to be tripping to poll?

307
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:38.220
Um, well, I mean, are they in a relationship at this point?

308
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.619
Yeah, I think so.

309
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Yes.

310
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Yeah.

311
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I think so.

312
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Yeah.

313
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Because it's not like we've certainly been exploring that in the last few seasons.

314
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Okay.

315
00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:49.500
They have certainly had sex lately.

316
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I telling you.

317
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Well, this boy.

318
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:54.420
So we had an establishing shot of some city.

319
00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.579
I'm not quite sure what city it was.

320
00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.319
You're talking about this backdrop here, aren't you?

321
00:21:58.380 --> 00:22:06.599
Shitty, shitty backdrop, and it is better than that photo, the blown up photograph in stigma, which was almost impossible to read as the city.

322
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:10.799
This is also almost impossible to read as a city, but at least they're sort of trying, I guess.

323
00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.539
It almost works.

324
00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.059
Look, when they're away from it and it's far in the distance.

325
00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:19.920
But at the beginning of the scene, he's right in front of this cardboard backdrop.

326
00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.460
I'm like, why are you showing this for what it is?

327
00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:25.319
Like, there are rooftops.

328
00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.279
This is the thing.

329
00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:27.720
This is the 90 straight thing.

330
00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:36.900
We're shooting this with all the production values of a daytime soap opera, and we can't even go onto the roof of the fucking building we're in and shoot it.

331
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:37.799
Do you know what I mean?

332
00:22:37.859 --> 00:22:39.119
Like, why aren't we doing that?

333
00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:40.680
It's outrageous.

334
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:41.400
It's so bad.

335
00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:51.720
So this is section 31 and it turns out that Malcolm has had some relationship with them, this guy is called, what's he called?

336
00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:52.559
operative.

337
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:55.140
I believe that's that's dropped earlier. as well.

338
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.039
Okay.

339
00:22:56.339 --> 00:23:00.240
So I'm guessing I'm guessing DSNI has made a bit of an impact somewhere.

340
00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.359
Yeah, so is section 31 in this?

341
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:05.880
Or is it just this?

342
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:12.900
So I think in in Maniko's desire to stretch out and sort of, you know, pay lip service.

343
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.279
He's looking in every direction.

344
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:15.599
A bit like Kurtzman Trick.

345
00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:17.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, no, that's good.

346
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:20.339
But you're not so keen on that, are you?

347
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.799
You're not so keen on section 31 and...

348
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:23.759
No, I think section.

349
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:43.500
No, not, I think, I think that it undermines the message of Star Trek, but I understand in the 90s where they want to kind of, you know, critique, critique the Federation, and the Federation's kind of America, you know, in all sorts of ways.

350
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:49.380
And so that's a legitimate thing to do, and there's the FBI and the CIA and stuff.

351
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.160
So section 31 You know, it seems like the right thing to do.

352
00:23:53.220 --> 00:24:10.319
I think with Kurtzman Trek, though, given that it's trying to position itself against, you know, being opportunistic and and lacking kind of any sort of principles, it can't really afford to have Section 31.

353
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:19.440
And so if they do do the section 31 with cousin Michelle, it'll be interesting to see how they do that, given how they generally present the federation in other shows.

354
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:23.700
I feel like it justifies its existence just because she's going to be in it.

355
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:25.920
Well, if they're going to do a show with Cousin Michelle.

356
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.480
She may be too big for a spy now, I think.

357
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.579
It's just possible that we don't get her back.

358
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:33.119
I don't know.

359
00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.480
Okay. you know, I was on, I was on, sorry, very quickly.

360
00:24:36.539 --> 00:24:41.759
I was on Facebook the other day and that Star Trek game popped up an advert for it.

361
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:45.599
You know where they're bringing all the actors and they're playing the Star Trek game against each other?

362
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:50.819
And there's Michelle fucking Yo. doing an ad for the...

363
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:52.440
With the fellow who played Harry Mudd.

364
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.759
No, Michelle, you can't royal dialogue against me.

365
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.559
And she goes, die.

366
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:00.180
It's not...

367
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.259
That's great.

368
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:04.319
See, that's a massive movie style.

369
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:11.400
This is actually quite good because we had CG and then we had the Golden Gate Bridge, which is really great.

370
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.700
Look at that. weird alien.

371
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:15.240
I don't know.

372
00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:17.640
We do get a cretassin later on.

373
00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:25.680
The race of people that Archer had to apologise to in Nighting Sick Bay.

374
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:36.059
The shame is, is like they've kind of learned that they can go beyond doing the humanoid alien in series 3 when they have, and you remember like the turtles and things like that.

375
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:36.539
Oh, yeah.

376
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:39.180
And the insect toys.

377
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.519
No, but they're trying to do something different, you know?

378
00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:47.640
Yeah, but they can't do it outside and moving the camera and stuff like in the, you know, outside of the studio.

379
00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:50.099
They just don't have enough control of the environment would be my guess.

380
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:57.119
I don't think they could drop an alien, a CG alien, a Zindi insectoid in the background of this shot and make...

381
00:25:57.180 --> 00:26:00.059
My favourite alien in Star Trek now is that blob from Prodigy.

382
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.539
Oh, wait, you don't know what's happened with Murph.

383
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.299
No, if he's died, then I'll never forget.

384
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.319
No, of course he hasn't.

385
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:09.900
It's a kid's show and he's a he's a baby.

386
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:10.920
He's a toddler.

387
00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:12.960
I also like the blobbing...

388
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.819
Oh, good grief.

389
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.559
What was that show called with Penny Johnson and Gerald?

390
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:17.759
Oh, yeah.

391
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.839
Well, yeah, he died.

392
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:21.420
Norman McDonald, yeah, for...

393
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.039
Yeah, yeah.

394
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.200
The Orville.

395
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:26.519
Thank you.

396
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:27.299
Yeah.

397
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.940
Now we're confronting now we can confronting Harry with his weird Nazi background.

398
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:40.019
He obviously was a member of the Republican Party or something sometime earlier in the 22nd century and he's super embarrassed about it.

399
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.920
So he's learned, you know, I don't know.

400
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.359
Like, I'm not quite sure.

401
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.359
We didn't get a chance to do anything but sort of stand there.

402
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:51.539
Yeah, in a sort of beige way.

403
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:57.240
No, think about the mayor in, who was just so funny, so charming.

404
00:26:57.299 --> 00:27:00.720
And he's the villain of the piece and you just wanted him to win the whole time.

405
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:01.259
Yeah.

406
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:07.259
Well, I think that the thing that this doesn't manage is to be much fun.

407
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.420
Like it is very serious.

408
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.299
I said that you didn't know that there wasn't much human in this.

409
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:12.839
Yeah.

410
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:23.759
Which is a shame because, again, that two-par Mirror Universe episode they've just done, which had Hoshi as like the villain of the piece, murder everybody.

411
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:25.259
It was great fun. yeah.

412
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.539
It's kind of hot, you know, Anthony Montgomery.

413
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:35.220
In a minute, he's in the bed with his top off and I was very jealous of this woman.

414
00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:39.539
Yeah, so he's young, isn't he?

415
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.160
He's kind of, oh, it's him and Troop.

416
00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:42.779
I get something eye candy in this show.

417
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:52.500
I wonder if anyone's actually engaged Bourbon and Bracker to ask the question as to why he had so few opportunities because I don't think he's the best actor in the world, but he's got a bit of charm about him.

418
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.960
I mean, it's Star Trek, you know, not being the best actor in the world has never got in the way of any of the regular...

419
00:27:58.019 --> 00:27:58.920
That's not true.

420
00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:00.299
That's true.

421
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:03.000
There's a couple of Roberts and...

422
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:03.900
Gates McFadden.

423
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.680
Yeah, yeah.

424
00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:09.900
But Bart, you know, like I think he's perfectly charming and he's sort of young and good looking.

425
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:16.140
I don't see any reason why he, you know, he couldn't have been given more to do.

426
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.859
No, they're doing the 3 who rule, aren't they, Enterprise?

427
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.940
They're focussing on a trip to Paul and Archer.

428
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.559
That's basically where the focus is.

429
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:26.880
Look at this.

430
00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:27.599
This is so funny.

431
00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:33.059
This is the 2 of them explaining the status of their relationship to each other.

432
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.480
It's just the most kind of terrible life.

433
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:37.980
Are we are we still in the 90s here?

434
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:39.420
Can I still call this 90s trek?

435
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.259
Are we in the 2000s?

436
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:42.660
Yeah, we're not in the 90s, but yes, UK.

437
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.079
Okay.

438
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:48.420
All of that relationship dialogue. and there's a lot of it.

439
00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:51.299
Well, they still don't do some text.

440
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:52.380
So, you know what?

441
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.539
I'm not sure if I like you anymore, but you want to fuck?

442
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.400
That's right.

443
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:57.299
But no, no.

444
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.200
I mean, they can't do that.

445
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:00.299
It's still Star Trek is still PG rated.

446
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:01.859
They can't do anything much like that.

447
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:05.099
And they don't do some text.

448
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:12.420
It is absolutely, it is like it's more and more I'm realising daytime soap opera much more than anything else.

449
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.039
This is what this is like.

450
00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:26.460
The characters always say what they're thinking of flocks in this two-polter, in that he kind of has to develop an emotional attachment to this baby that he's trying to save.

451
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.980
And there's no real context for it all.

452
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:35.519
But he absolutely in that the moment in the 2nd episode, where he says it's like losing one of his own children. really sells it.

453
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:37.200
Oh, I think he does too.

454
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:41.160
But it's all down to the acting and not at all down to the writing.

455
00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:42.240
No.

456
00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:45.779
And is it the way they're lighting him or is it the way they're making him up?

457
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:55.619
He just looks like he's got into the rouge a bit, you know, like he's, he seems to, it, it looks like makeup rather than a handcuff.

458
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:56.880
I always look a bit...

459
00:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.099
I mean, it's like they're trying to make him sort of sexy flocks, you know?

460
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.519
No, it's certainly very weird.

461
00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:08.460
I mean, he, I think, is the best one in the crew, isn't he, the best one in the in the car.

462
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:09.720
He's the most interesting character.

463
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:10.440
Yeah.

464
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:12.539
And that maybe the best actor.

465
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:18.660
Something you said about Paul Werner's character is that you have to be like utterly uncharismatic.

466
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.000
Um, in the role.

467
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:23.579
And he succeeds very well.

468
00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:26.640
Without it being a bad performance.

469
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:27.900
No.

470
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:31.920
So so he is playing basically a white supremacist.

471
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:42.299
I actually think it's a little bit like I, there are 2 major roles in this sort of Terra Prime thing that are played by black actors, right?

472
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.119
So there's this guy, Daniel.

473
00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:50.819
And later on, we're going to get someone called Josiah, who's working in the mines on the moon.

474
00:30:51.000 --> 00:31:00.480
And they're black and it's kind of like, no, we've moved beyond worrying about colour, but what we worry about is different species.

475
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:04.259
And so that's something that's sort of worth saying.

476
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:15.299
But also, like I just kind of think that sometimes, you know, in this, it might have been better if just white people owned their shit and realised that we were the people doing the racism all along.

477
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:29.880
And so making the black people be racist, you know, seems very inclusive and stuff, but it also kind of allies the fact that it's basically something that white people do, you know, like at least in the in the American context of the European context and stuff.

478
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:37.740
When we were going, when we go down to the mining facility, the fella gets up and makes the speech and he's a black guy.

479
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.299
And I was like, I was really wondering what it was saying about me, that I was a little bit awkward.

480
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:49.440
I felt a bit awkward because it was a black man making that speech about xenophobia.

481
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:56.339
And it's not, it's not that I think the black people should know better, like they should know their own history and how, you know, how can they be?

482
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.980
how could they be racist that's outrageous?

483
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:04.019
Like, I think, like, for the science fiction, they want to make it human beings versus others.

484
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.079
But, like, it's a white person thing.

485
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:10.500
You know, it's something that white people have done.

486
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.119
And it just seems a bit weird.

487
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:13.680
Whereas Peter Weller.

488
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:16.440
So Peter Weller is a white supremacist and he's a villain.

489
00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:24.480
And so he can't be fun and he can't be camping it up and he doesn't do that at all. absence of a sense of humour, does he?

490
00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:25.380
Oh, look at this.

491
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:31.500
He's just injected himself with something, but he's not killing himself, sadly, like Jake, it was in the previous episode.

492
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.720
So yes, he can't be fun.

493
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:35.759
He can't be an enjoyable performance.

494
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:37.259
He can't be a fun villain.

495
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.039
And so he's just a thick, uncharismatic asshole.

496
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:49.380
I do think that's the right decision, but it does mean this is incredibly sort of worthy rather than a lot of fun.

497
00:32:49.440 --> 00:33:00.059
Like, you and me watched the Serene Squall where that fabulous woman pirate was capping it up to, and it was the most delightful thing ever, but you can't really do that with this subject matter.

498
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.559
No, that's right.

499
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:06.359
But I mean, it needs to, like, it needs to be that serious.

500
00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:10.259
Like, I don't think it's, oh, it's not sombre. you know what?

501
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.519
Oh, DS Long goes it right.

502
00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:19.140
You have the female shapeshifter who's utterly without humour, the same lines like, you know, I want the Cardassians exterminated.

503
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:24.599
And then you've got Weyer and camping it up to the side going, oh, how many of them, you know?

504
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.579
So Deep Space 9 sort of does this, doesn't it?

505
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:37.079
So there is a two-part episode, and I want to say homefront.

506
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:38.640
Paradise Lost.

507
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.539
Yeah.

508
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.119
And so it does a similar thing, doesn't it?

509
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:48.599
So the human beings start to become isolationist because there are shapeshifters around or something.

510
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:55.259
There, yeah, they're, he's basically the admiral, the evil admiral of the week is absolutely petrified.

511
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.960
So he wants the illusion.

512
00:33:58.019 --> 00:34:02.940
So he creates the illusion that the shapeshifters are attacking Earth.

513
00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:04.740
So he can militarise the planet.

514
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.599
So it's all about paranoia.

515
00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:10.440
So it's not, and it's really, really effective as well.

516
00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:14.760
But it's kind of done on a smaller scale than this because they just don't have the money for it.

517
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:15.840
Yeah.

518
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.440
But again, I think there's something about earth, like setting it on earth.

519
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.579
And I mean, a lot of these scenes are said on enterprise, which is understandable.

520
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.800
But, you know, like, what might have been nice.

521
00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:29.880
Hey, we're back on Earth.

522
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:33.239
If some of these people caught up with their families and things, you know?

523
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:35.219
Like in that, you've got fame.

524
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:40.679
Jake Cisco saying, you know, grandpa, take your medicine and then you got, oh, grandpa, Cisco, go in.

525
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:44.460
Look, I've got a half a dozen bags of clams out there that need cleaning.

526
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.599
Don't you start with me, all right?

527
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:47.519
You know, like, it's really fun.

528
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:50.280
This kiss is not doing it for me at all.

529
00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.059
No, in a minute, though, he's got his beautiful arms around her.

530
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.539
Oh, man.

531
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.639
Sorry, I'm going to stop going on about that, but he did.

532
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.340
I'm a bit hot and hot under the collar, you know, at 5 in the morning.

533
00:35:00.539 --> 00:35:04.500
Yeah, look brightly coloured, brightly coloured displays.

534
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.059
And look at this, right?

535
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:12.239
They're all, you talk to me about them, you know, people working together competently to solve a problem.

536
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:16.500
This is this crew, all working together, all pulling in the same direction.

537
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:20.219
We didn't get a lot of that in enterprise, you know. someone behaving like an asshole.

538
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:21.059
Yeah.

539
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:35.820
So, so, on the on the display on the side of the room, you can see the figure, like there's an anatomical diagram of what's happened to Couri or something, you know, how she's been shot or whatever, but it's a man silhouette, it's like even in the future.

540
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.139
Men.

541
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:46.619
It's like there's men and then there's women who are just sort of unlike men as far as medicine's concerned that still happens.

542
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.219
And...

543
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.619
May I say as this crew assemble around a lit up table with a diagram on the wall?

544
00:35:52.679 --> 00:36:00.360
We are heading ever closer towards the next generation. yeah Oh, can I say, right, I'm sorry.

545
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:04.320
I've said a bit about I quite like the CGI. like the scale of all of this.

546
00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:07.380
Now here we are, back down in Stockcave 7, 58.

547
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.659
Stockcave set number one.

548
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:09.900
Yep.

549
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.860
Straight away.

550
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:16.079
And all they've done is screwed a few rock, a few polystyrene rocks about.

551
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:18.659
I mean, those sets look so cheap.

552
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:23.340
So that doctor, he's dead, obviously.

553
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.420
So the doctor from the 1st scene has been killed and buried in the thing.

554
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.340
Look at all this, honestly.

555
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.500
Yeah, I think that looks pretty good.

556
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.639
Do you think I feel, I thought when we were, I mean, it's 20 years in the future.

557
00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:40.500
We went off to a prison, didn't we, on a planet in Discovery fairly recently.

558
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:42.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. which looked incredible.

559
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:43.800
Yeah.

560
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:45.599
No, this is sort of boring.

561
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:55.139
And I think that the moon surface looks particularly kind of a texture over a sort of softly undulating surface, like there's no real weight to it.

562
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.059
But there was some detail of the buildings and stuff in that shot, which I thought looked...

563
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:06.000
Maybe just like an establishing CGI shot of the scale of it, but it just feels very contained.

564
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:08.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:12.960
And of course, like, this is bizarre as well, sending, sending trip into par.

566
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:14.099
I know it's their baby.

567
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.380
They've got such a personal involvement in this.

568
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.679
But there's only 7 people in the cast.

569
00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:21.300
I mean, it has to be them, doesn't it?

570
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.159
Well, maybe send the security officer like this is a clandestine vision.

571
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:27.840
Well, he's done his thing.

572
00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:31.500
He went and met that guy in front of a cardboard cityscape.

573
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:32.579
Oh, I love this.

574
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.300
They literally just go around the corner to have their like sly conversation.

575
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.699
It's still an earshot of everybody though.

576
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.079
Yeah.

577
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:49.800
I think there's a there's a relaxed feeling between this pair, like Conor Trinier and Jolene...

578
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:50.219
Thank you.

579
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.940
She certainly softened her performance in series one.

580
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.019
Yeah.

581
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.280
Yeah, I actually, I actually quite, I actually quite like it too.

582
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:00.719
And I did enjoy that.

583
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:06.000
I do think that they're that the 2 of them are pretty great and he's wonderful.

584
00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:07.260
I just think he's terrific.

585
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:20.219
Well, they managed to do in series 3 is something they spectacularly failed to do in series one and two, and that is to add an element of sex to the show that was actually a little bit sexy.

586
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:26.519
Yeah, yeah. vomit inducing, like, um, rubbing shampoo into the dog.

587
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.760
That was a different joke.

588
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:30.780
I don't know.

589
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.880
People who didn't understand that that was a joke.

590
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:34.199
Yeah, he's a bit built.

591
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:35.400
Why are you looking at me right now?

592
00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:36.960
Honestly, I'm not looking at you.

593
00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:39.000
I'm looking, Travis.

594
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.139
Yeah, see, like he's an attractive young man.

595
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.599
He could have been on the screen a bit more.

596
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.900
I mean, I do think it was a bit obvious that she was up to no good.

597
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.780
This this rando coming onto the ship.

598
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:56.340
Yeah, but she's not up to no good.

599
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:57.539
Isn't there another twist?

600
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.260
The other twist is actually she really does work for Starfleet intelligence.

601
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.699
Oh, is there?

602
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.519
I must have completely chipped out and that was revealed.

603
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:06.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.940
No, that's the that's the other twist.

605
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:19.559
The very obvious twist is that she's an evil journalist who is perhaps a spy for Tara Prime, but then it turns out she's with Starfleet intelligence.

606
00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:25.800
So I don't know, do we assume that they go off and make pretty children, probably.

607
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.300
Well, no.

608
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:32.159
No, but we know that he's, he must be in the, in the final episode.

609
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:46.139
So as usual, everyone has no career mobility on this show, or on any Star Trek show, except maybe Discovery, where people join the crew and leave the crew and stuff like that.

610
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.880
So they've all been on board Enterprise for 10 years, haven't they?

611
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.780
Yeah.

612
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:52.739
Yeah.

613
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.559
Oh, certainly come, come, these are the voyages they have, yeah.

614
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:56.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

615
00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:58.079
Yeah, that's what I mean.

616
00:39:58.139 --> 00:39:59.820
The weird thing is right.

617
00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:10.079
I know we spend 3 more seasons with TNG, DS9 and the Voyager crew, yeah, but if you pointed out, if you just mentioned any one of the regulars, yeah.

618
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:14.760
I could tell you 10 facts and a handful of episodes where they're highlighted.

619
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:18.059
Yeah, that was sending them. can't tell you anything about these people.

620
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.659
No, I mean, there are some calls callbacks, aren't there?

621
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:28.800
Remember, you know, like I got far enough into Enterprise series one to remember that Hoshi was very nervous about travelling.

622
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:33.900
Um, you know, uh, um, I believe that's the 1st episode.

623
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.260
Well, yes, yeah, but there's a whole episode about that, isn't there?

624
00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:39.900
with her little pet slug, yeah.

625
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:46.320
Yeah. and they do a callback to that, you know, yeah, he's the other racist black guy.

626
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:50.340
So, but they know he's not Turner.

627
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.239
They know he's trip.

628
00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:53.340
He's, he's, come on, the soccer, don't they?

629
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.800
Because he's exposed during the speech.

630
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:57.480
And I thought that was quite a good moment of media.

631
00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:59.940
Because I thought immediately, oh, really?

632
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.099
buying this and then, no, they didn't buy it at all.

633
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:03.179
They know exactly who he is.

634
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:04.679
Yeah.

635
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:06.719
Yeah, no, he's super racist.

636
00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:08.099
He's like one of these horrible people.

637
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.239
You know, who just assumed that everyone they talk to is going to agree with them.

638
00:41:12.300 --> 00:41:22.199
You know, like someone you just meet and who then says something devastatingly racist and then you think, what made you think that I would want to hear that?

639
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:27.900
You know, that dreadful dialogue he had there about, you know, oh, we're going to become 2nd class citizens on our own world.

640
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.260
I have actually heard people in England.

641
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.139
Oh, no, of course. say that about...

642
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:35.699
It's just a bowling, isn't it?

643
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.179
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:36.780
Yeah.

645
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:48.539
Now, I was on a train and this sort of glamorous French lady was sat opposite me wearing furs and we were talking for a bit and stuff and she was just glamorous and fabulous and was telling me all about her life.

646
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:54.300
And then we were about to get off in Lyon or something and she warned me about the black people.

647
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:03.300
Just went, oh, no, we were having such a nice conversation. have to turn out to be so awful.

648
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:10.199
It's when it's people like that you work with that you see all the time. you have no idea until you get onto that.

649
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:12.960
So you have this sort of sort of basic relationship with these people.

650
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:21.599
And then suddenly they'll say something like that it's incredibly racist and you're like, oh, I've got you all wrong the whole time, you know?

651
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:23.039
Oh, yuck.

652
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:32.159
So here, here, um, here they're complaining that Bazindi never apologised for nuking Florida.

653
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.699
I did quite like that. like the callback.

654
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.139
I mean, that was quite a big thing that happened, you know.

656
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:46.380
And so, and the fact that that terrorist act is basically the impetus for Terra Prime to come into exist.

657
00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:47.940
Yeah, yeah.

658
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.940
Yeah, although we've always been kind of like this, I guess.

659
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:55.500
And but yes, so that that is a thing.

660
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:07.019
And, um, I think I was actually a bit moved by, um, by Tapol's decision to call the baby Elizabeth, too.

661
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:11.159
I thought that was really, you know, that was quite a nice callback.

662
00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:30.300
And particularly since, you know, series 3, um, trip spends a lot of time just being a proud arsehole because he can just be as horrible as he wants because he suffered this loss, you know, so he can, you know, agree to behave in whatever way he likes because he's been, you know, bereaved.

663
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.059
And that it became an awful thing, you know, like it became a thing to make trip awful.

664
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:43.860
And particularly when Tripp had been like super nice and understanding and, you know, interesting.

665
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:46.380
Yeah, he was wonderful in coach.

666
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.639
He was the only person on the ship who wasn't just a massive fucking asshole.

667
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:56.579
It is really annoying though, because they really go to great lengths to make that relationship horror book.

668
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.840
Well, no, no, no.

669
00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:02.460
But in season four, to make the relationship between to Pol and Tripp work.

670
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:07.019
And to really soften that character and you really like him.

671
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:18.300
And then the fucking stab you in the back in the last episode to just arbitrarily killing him off. to try and drive some emotion out of that horrendous episode.

672
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:28.079
So I think that there are comic books or tie-in media or something where it turns out his death was faked and he's gone off undercover to hunt Romulans.

673
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:29.219
Oh, please.

674
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:30.059
Which is.

675
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.800
And everyone's reaction for 4 years of these characters.

676
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.260
It's so muted and so undramatic.

677
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.519
And I was like, what was the point?

678
00:44:38.579 --> 00:44:44.340
I remember Brian Braggerstage. remember in Voyager that, he felt that in order for the finale to work, someone had to be sacrificed.

679
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.119
And I think this actually shows how that might not be a good idea.

680
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:52.619
No, I think it's a dumb idea and it's a bad instinct on his part.

681
00:44:52.679 --> 00:45:05.579
Like, I think that someone had to be sacrifice because they cheat their way out of it, but they also cheat their way out of the sacrifice by making it, by having a spare Janeway, you know, but like it, she sacrifices herself.

682
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:24.119
If you're going to do it, do it like, I don't know, Damar and what you leave behind, where you almost drives home is revolution, or make it Weyune, where that's just a satisfying payoff to his character, or, you know, Louise Fletcher going off in a in a hail of flames, screaming her head off, because we all wanted to see that for 7 years.

683
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:29.219
I was a bit sad that Peter Weller actually made it to the end of episode 2 alive.

684
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:36.360
He doesn't get sort of sucked out the airlock or the window or whatever when it breaks.

685
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:41.519
And, you know, like, I guess it's probably the right thing to put him in prison or whatever.

686
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:47.039
But, but, and again, you don't want to martyr him either, you know, like he's just not exciting enough.

687
00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:53.760
He's not, he's not even Soren, you know, like he's, he's just an asshole.

688
00:45:53.820 --> 00:46:05.400
Like, obviously, I think everything he's saying here is appalling, but I think it is just convincing enough that you are of the right leaning that you would go along with.

689
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:06.539
Well, slightly exaggerated.

690
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:24.840
And, you know, it's funny, but in 2000, you know, this is pre the return of Nazis, you know, like the rise of fascism in, you know, Brazil and America and and, you know, Italy and all of these places that have these sort of crazed ridiculous right wing governments.

691
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:29.760
And this sort of thing being normalised on social media and stuff.

692
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:32.219
You know, this is, this is before then.

693
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.280
So, of course, there are people who are going to buy this shit.

694
00:46:35.340 --> 00:46:40.260
And so I think it's a good villain because it is plausible.

695
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.519
Glint in his eye.

696
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:43.079
There's no smile.

697
00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:48.179
He says everything so functionally and so as if this is just a natural way to think, you know?

698
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:48.960
Yeah.

699
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.280
Yeah, no, like this.

700
00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:51.659
Did you like this PGI?

701
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.699
Oh, look, he just smiled.

702
00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:55.380
Oh, yes.

703
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.519
Here we go.

704
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.460
Yeah, look, see, that's recently detailed, isn't it?

705
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.599
It looks like a stupid fucking jellyfish or something.

706
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:06.300
It is like it's boxes of things.

707
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.440
I guess that's what they're going.

708
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.219
But I did like this.

709
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.599
The whole mining facility.

710
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.760
That's quite a fun idea. takes off.

711
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:18.840
And then where it lands and shooting at the moon and I thought, okay, they're trying to, trying to give this a bit of scale in the solar system here.

712
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.840
Yeah, and also it's not like a starship.

713
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:28.679
So the whole thing is just shaking because they're in motion because they're a, you know, a base, not a ship taking off.

714
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:30.900
Oh, I don't know about the flames.

715
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.519
The biggest problem though, you know, is I never quite thought, well, this is never going to succeed.

716
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:36.599
Not because I know that.

717
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.420
I just was never convinced by the threat, I don't think.

718
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:50.219
Well, I think part of the problem too is that you don't have any people, you know, like we just have people telling us what's happening about people leaving.

719
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.780
We don't really see anything.

720
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.219
We don't see any riots.

721
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:54.420
We don't see any protests.

722
00:47:54.480 --> 00:48:02.639
We're told, remember, by the Andorians, that there are people having these mass demonstrations outside their embassy or something.

723
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:07.800
You know, like there's all of this stuff that we get told about, but we don't get to see it because we can't afford it.

724
00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:17.820
And whilst there are sort of franchise steaks. involved here, i.e. if this fails, we won't have the federation and we won't have TOS and blah, blah, blah.

725
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.400
There's no character stakes for this, was it?

726
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:26.940
Beyond the baby, which is a very artificial character state because where's that baby come from?

727
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.920
We're not going to keep that baby around and it's very manipulative at the end where they murder it off.

728
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:36.840
So like, yeah, there's no, like, the thing that DS9 always got right.

729
00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:44.820
And the thing that Voyager TNG often got right was it did, uh, the episodes were character late. was there?

730
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:46.380
I don't think there's much of that going on here.

731
00:48:46.440 --> 00:49:01.679
No, so there's no, so even the instinct to have trips sister killed in the Zindi attack makes, like brings it home and makes it immediately important to one of our characters, right?

732
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:06.059
Um, And here, you're right.

733
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.420
I think the, you asked the question before, why is the baby there?

734
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:17.159
And I think the baby is there so that this matters to trip and to polls so that they have some stake and it's outcome?

735
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:24.300
And I did think that the death of the baby while inevitable was a bit of a cheat.

736
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.340
Okay, they knew they were heading here.

737
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.639
Like I said, they ceded this two-parter throughout the season.

738
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:30.780
If they knew they were headed here.

739
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.119
Why didn't they have a child at the beginning of the season?

740
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:37.860
And then the child was taken off them and this plot occurred at the end?

741
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.599
Oh, because I don't think that that wouldn't at least have had some real stakes, you know?

742
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:43.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:48.960
Rather than just someone's found some of their used hankies and have made a baby out of the DNA or whatever.

744
00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:55.500
Like, fair enough, but I don't think the show could have survived them having an actual baby that was kidnapped.

745
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:56.280
Do you know what I mean?

746
00:49:56.340 --> 00:49:57.780
Like, why would you do anything else?

747
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:03.300
I'll just go off and explore Rygel 10 and maybe someone will tell me what happened to the baby.

748
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:04.199
Do you know what I mean?

749
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:06.000
Like, no, that's just not going to happen.

750
00:50:06.059 --> 00:50:07.019
You can't do that.

751
00:50:08.579 --> 00:50:12.059
Oh, here we go now. heading down to where are we going?

752
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.760
I think we're going to Mars, aren't we?

753
00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:18.119
I think horses all looks quite nice, you know?

754
00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:23.579
Again, it is that sort of washed out CGI, unfortunately, but yeah, yeah.

755
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:29.880
Like, I think I feel like in Kurtzman trick, they're really good, they use lots of vivid colours, don't they?

756
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:31.139
sort of make it artistic.

757
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:32.519
This looks pretty good.

758
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:38.579
I do think this looks pretty good and I think that Verderon array thing with the big basket on the end of it looks pretty great.

759
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.800
I like the way that the legs come down and it lands, you know, a bit like Voyager on a planet.

760
00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:44.699
Yeah.

761
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.920
Oh, that's a bit shit actually.

762
00:50:48.539 --> 00:50:51.960
Well, because she looks like an enormous toilet bowl.

763
00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:54.300
It looks like an enormous toilet bowl on a planet.

764
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.000
No, I meant that, the thing lands.

765
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:58.019
There's no real weight to it.

766
00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:01.500
Oh, I like the arms. also a cartoon.

767
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.179
Like all of this.

768
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:03.840
That's a problem.

769
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.800
It just looks like a.

770
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:06.179
It is a cartoon note.

771
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.039
Yeah, no, but it looks like a cartoon.

772
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.800
It's like Babylon 5, which I've never heard of.

773
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:17.219
It's just I'll have to educate you about that one day.

774
00:51:18.059 --> 00:51:19.920
Life's too long.

775
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:22.440
We've watched DS9, right?

776
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:24.000
Yeah, yeah, basically.

777
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:33.960
But even now, when he delivers his speech about, you know, you either get rid of all the aliens or, you know, we're going to attack, you can use this array.

778
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:35.280
San Francisco.

779
00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:38.579
I've just said it went way brawls in San Francisco.

780
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:48.179
But I've just said that speech with way more passion than he does because he's just like, oh, well, you know, this is going to happen.

781
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.380
So just do it, all right?

782
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:50.760
No, it's great.

783
00:51:50.820 --> 00:52:01.679
It's like a giant villain speech that he completely throws away because he rightly decides that he just has to seem pathetic rather than charismatic and he does.

784
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:02.940
Are we drilling a hole in the moon?

785
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.539
Yeah, I thought, I could, I thought for a 2nd there.

786
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:07.079
I can't remember.

787
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.039
It was quite a big hole.

788
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:09.719
Blowing up in this?

789
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:11.099
Yeah, that's right.

790
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:12.599
The moon's there in the future, isn't it?

791
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:13.980
I thought it was an egg.

792
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.960
Oh, dear.

793
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:19.920
Yeah.

794
00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:20.579
Yeah.

795
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.739
This is a big cliffhanger, is it?

796
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.380
We've had like across 90s track.

798
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.840
We've had way more impressive cliffhangers than this.

799
00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:31.619
Yeah.

800
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.659
You know, this is how we're going out.

801
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.780
Maybe it should have been the ultimate cliffhanger, you know?

802
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:51.900
But, you know, like to discover that this is what Earth is like, that there is a significant kind of fascist minority who are going to prevent us from being involved in the wider world.

803
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.360
You know, like, I think that's a very real thing.

804
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:57.360
I mean, it's you just had Brexit, for God's sake.

805
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:59.820
Like it's a very, very real thing.

806
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:02.039
You had a job, didn't you?

807
00:53:02.099 --> 00:53:03.719
Yeah, well, yeah. you know.

808
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.840
I thought that was quite enjoyable, you know?

809
00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:19.679
Yeah, I think that is pretty, that's pretty reasonable, I think, you know, and I do think the stakes are great and I do like the fact that we are in the solar system and that we're spending our time on earth and worrying about what's happening on earth.

810
00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:30.420
And I think maybe enterprise is the show that could have done that all along that could have used Earth as a base and told an ongoing story.

811
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.619
It's clear that that's what they wanted to do originally and what allowed to do.

812
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:50.940
So, or they just go, oh, well, we'll go off and tell Star Trek stories or whatever, but they could have been talking about Earth all along rather than just leaving it to Manny in series 4 to sort of seed the seeds and then finally do it at the end.

813
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.840
You know, we could have been heading in this direction. all along, I think.

814
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.960
All right, what do you reckon?

815
00:53:58.019 --> 00:53:59.159
Should we go into the 2nd one?

816
00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:03.840
Yes, into the finale of enterprise.

817
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:07.260
Finale Enterprise, the penultimate episode.

818
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:11.579
All right, so queue up Terra Prime, and I'll count it in.

819
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:17.460
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

820
00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:20.280
We are off.

821
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:20.699
Here we go.

822
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.139
Previously on Enterprise.

823
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:23.400
Yeah.

824
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.980
Yeah, you see, I think I'm right about those buildings.

825
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:32.400
They look just like horribly concrete and dull, the CG buildings, and then, you know, the service.

826
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.820
Come to a CGI landscape. and it looks exactly as gray and dull.

827
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:45.780
The baby CGIE is that just about move at the same rate as the baby's head does, which is quite good, but not completely there.

828
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

829
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.920
I mean, I don't understand.

830
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:50.940
So all right.

831
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.340
So she's never been pregnant, right?

832
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.320
And so she doesn't know where the baby comes from.

833
00:54:55.380 --> 00:55:06.059
But last episode, I think Tripp was suspicious of her and thought, didn't really understand that, you know, that she, like, didn't believe her or something, like she has to tell him?

834
00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:07.500
No, he actually says that.

835
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:08.460
He goes to Flocks, doesn't he?

836
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:10.739
And say, oh, I don't know, she's telling me the truth or not, you know.

837
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.420
Yeah, yeah, but it's like you work together.

838
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:13.860
You see it, like if you...

839
00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:14.940
Are you in a relationship?

840
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.019
Do you share a bed?

841
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:21.900
Maybe she was just she was just wearing a big floaty coat with like tools in it.

842
00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:26.579
There was a handy console to hide behind.

843
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.599
That's right for a few months before she gave birth.

844
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:35.940
Now, look, I think that sort of montage of clips at the beginning of that.

845
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.480
You know, it gives a fair idea of what's happening in series one.

846
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:48.539
Had you left the series at some point in series one because it was just so tedious to keep watching and then came back just for the end just to see what's been going on in the meantime?

847
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:54.059
I don't know if you'd be that enticed, you know, like you'd be like, okay, this is better, but it's...

848
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:56.219
It's still a bit mundane, just a bit.

849
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.320
Yeah, I mean, it's earth.

850
00:55:58.380 --> 00:56:01.860
I think that bigs the stakes up in a way that that's what I liked about this.

851
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.719
It wasn't just a space thing that was happening.

852
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:19.260
There was sort of, like, sort of limp and rudimentary politics involved, you know, but it was about Earth, and it was about our crew and it was about the future and all of that, you know, and what humanity is.

853
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.880
Like it's got some sort of ambition beyond just this week's space problem.

854
00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:25.500
And I guess that's what I liked.

855
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:46.139
And I thought that that gave it the sort of scale that the movies have, you know, like because we're at the end, We can change the status quo and enterprise, like Deep Space 9, because they've reinvented themselves, do have episodes that change the status quo in interesting ways.

856
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.800
They're certainly not going to change the status quo with the franchise, though, are they?

857
00:56:49.860 --> 00:56:50.940
No, no, no, no.

858
00:56:51.059 --> 00:56:52.019
Last goals.

859
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.940
No, no, no.

860
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:01.679
And here it is just very much, oh, just give us a bit more time and the racists will get over it within 5 years and then we'll found the Federation after that, if that's okay.

861
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:05.159
You know, like, it's not that great. conclusion.

862
00:57:05.219 --> 00:57:11.519
I can buy it, though, because they're suggesting that this Terra Prime is a fairly sizeable operation.

863
00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:13.559
And so what?

864
00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:17.280
Just because they're defeated at the end of this, all that racism just goes away.

865
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:18.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

866
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.559
In 5 years.

867
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.320
Not entirely sure that's how psychology works, you know?

868
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.380
A plot, a plot convenience and everyone suddenly drops their xenophobia.

869
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.760
No, I'll have to do it.

870
00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:31.800
Oh, the baby is cute though.

871
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:33.659
The baby is really cute.

872
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.579
And it's sort of bizarre, isn't it?

873
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:49.619
Because this guy is such a fucking nutcase that he just thinks we're all going to be super threatened by this baby with slightly weird ears, you know, like, like, and everyone's sort of there in horror thinking, what is wrong with this guy?

874
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:58.500
And, you know, like you've got a room full of blue people and people with things grafted into their heads and stuff and they're kind of going, well, what is, wants this planner?

875
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:03.300
You know, you and I, in sort of nearly 60 episodes of on top, it's not a project.

876
00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:09.420
Now, we suffered through, you know, a lot of tortured backstory of these 90 Star Trek characters.

877
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:10.380
What's his again?

878
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.179
There is a story there, isn't there?

879
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.699
As to why he's so terribly racist.

880
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.159
No, I just think he's an asshole, isn't he?

881
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:18.840
he was on Mars or something?

882
00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:19.800
I can't remember, actually.

883
00:58:19.860 --> 00:58:20.820
Does he have a backstory?

884
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:25.559
Maybe because like, you know, I would never stop going on about that.

885
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.760
Fabulous woman from the Serene Squall, taking Mickey out of the backstories.

886
00:58:29.820 --> 00:58:34.079
But because her backstory was so over the top and the fact that's right.

887
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:37.860
We forget about it is because it's a bit dull, you know?

888
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:39.300
Yeah, I think that might be it.

889
00:58:39.420 --> 00:58:41.400
Oh, look, he's got a logo.

890
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:44.699
It's a very shitty graphic designers on staff.

891
00:58:47.219 --> 00:58:52.199
They've had meetings about meetings about just finding that logo.

892
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:53.460
Yeah, that's right.

893
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:54.780
Oh, hang on a minute.

894
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.739
Now, look, we're about to head out at 90s treking, and we've got a few explosions that are carrying on the bridge.

895
00:58:58.800 --> 00:58:59.340
Any rocks?

896
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:07.619
No, no rocks, but we did have the verder on array, like hit them, which was kind of exciting.

897
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:09.840
Would you look at that wall there?

898
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.920
That dreary arse wall with the stars on it. you see it?

899
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:24.480
I reckon the production, like that's some set dressing that they've done to this incredibly cheap hotel conference room that they're all meeting in.

901
00:59:24.539 --> 00:59:27.960
Oh, I've been to some Doctor Who conventions where they made more of an effort than that, you know?

902
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:32.760
Yeah, it does look like the location for a Doctor Who convention, actually.

903
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:42.780
Like that's the room where everyone set up the tables to get signed photographs of Sarah Sutton or something. absolutely obsessed about those Andorian appendages.

904
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:43.739
What did they do?

905
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:44.760
What did they do?

906
00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:46.679
The antennae.

907
00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:48.360
They're antennae.

908
00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:49.980
Well, they...

909
00:59:49.980 --> 00:59:54.300
No, they detect something that they probably smell...

910
00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:55.619
I'd love what that was like.

911
00:59:55.619 --> 00:59:57.179
Insects do with their antennas?

912
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:59.880
When they're turned on, they just wiggle a bit more or something like that.

913
00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:00.780
It probably happens.

914
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.960
He's probably got the hots for Harry Groner there, that guy.

915
01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.780
There was that young fella, that Vulcan man, isn't it?

916
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:08.099
been in it right from the 1st episode.

917
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:09.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:16.139
I think that's a good callback too, because he gets to see Archer being not an asshole. you know, like being a citizen of the galaxy.

919
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.059
I think that's a good kind of...

920
01:00:18.059 --> 01:00:20.940
I mean, being a non-veteran of enterprise, as you are.

921
01:00:21.059 --> 01:00:30.239
He actually does appear, I think, in a good sort of 1020 episodes throughout the run and develops quite a relationship with Captain Archer over time.

922
01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:30.900
Okay, yeah.

923
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.539
Because it's adversarial at the beginning, isn't it?

924
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:35.280
Because they're...

925
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:38.159
That's one of the my big turnoffs.

926
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:41.039
Well, I think they repair the Falcons, don't they?

927
01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:45.780
Like they try and tell the story of how they came from being sort of obnoxious.

928
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.940
Yeah, they're doing it. your word peril, aren't they?

929
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.420
Yeah, you could have attacked all the domed cities and all that.

930
01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:55.380
Yes, on Mars.

931
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:57.719
We don't even see a domed city on Mars.

932
01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:07.500
We see, we see um, that little Carl Sagan monument to the 1st tractor on Mars or whatever, um, which I think is a cute callback.

933
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.300
You just missed the one line of dialogue there where they said the array could even reach Meridian free.

934
01:01:12.659 --> 01:01:14.579
Yeah, that's right.

935
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.199
My God.

936
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.400
Poor farmers or whatever the fuck they were.

937
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:23.460
All 230000000 of them.

938
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:24.599
Oh, no.

939
01:01:24.659 --> 01:01:26.940
See, this is where he talks about how they actually made the boat.

940
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:27.780
Like, we don't care.

941
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.639
Don't explain it.

942
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:37.860
Yeah, they just got one of Tripp's socks from under his bed and I don't know how they got...

943
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.519
How did they get her eggs?

944
01:01:41.579 --> 01:01:42.360
I don't really know.

945
01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:46.019
But maybe they just, they caused biosis down.

946
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:48.420
I don't believe you just said that.

947
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.880
Oh, Jesus.

948
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.559
Oh, I don't know.

949
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:53.880
I don't know how you do this.

950
01:01:56.820 --> 01:02:00.360
Oh, sorry, I thought you were calling the soccer wank rack.

951
01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:02.219
Yeah, I know that's what I was doing.

952
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.480
Oh, well, yeah, you were.

953
01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:05.579
No, you got it, my subtle joke.

954
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.780
Wow, dear, dear.

955
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:10.440
Right now.

956
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:16.199
There's a bit of sort of running around now, you know, there's a bit of hanging around before that.

957
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.179
So here's the real city and now he's our fake city as well.

958
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.559
They have one meeting place.

959
01:02:22.619 --> 01:02:24.420
Like, they can't meet at a bar.

960
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:25.199
Like what are they doing?

961
01:02:25.260 --> 01:02:26.940
No, no, what is it with this?

962
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:28.920
And X-Miles isn't immune to this.

963
01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:32.039
Whenever you go meet somewhere for a clandestine meeting.

964
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:33.119
There's a lot of smoke.

965
01:02:33.179 --> 01:02:43.559
There's a lot of dry ice pumping in, you know, it's the most disturbingly menacing looking place imaginable. street meeting, meeting deep throat in the car park.

966
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:45.840
You know, the Nixon investigation.

967
01:02:45.900 --> 01:02:46.679
Is that what that is?

968
01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:51.179
It would seem, it would be less obvious. they just met in a cafe?

969
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.559
Not a conversation, right?

970
01:02:52.619 --> 01:02:58.019
Anyone sees them, it's like, you know, this guy's in black leather and this other guy's looking a bit sketchy.

971
01:02:58.019 --> 01:03:00.539
Well, they could be thinking something else is going on.

972
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:01.500
They could be, actually.

973
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:02.579
Yeah.

974
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.800
Actually, that would be funny, wouldn't it?

975
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:05.940
Imagine a posh accent.

976
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:07.980
You just have to throw him against the wall and snog him.

977
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:16.920
Although may I say that Malcolm Reed has not become any more interesting.

978
01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:19.320
And this is all he gets to do, isn't it?

979
01:03:19.380 --> 01:03:24.360
He gets these 2 scenes with Harris, and it's basically exposition.

980
01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:26.880
Like Harris gives him some much needed exposition.

981
01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:40.679
I don't know how much of series 3 that you explored, but those sequences where the, well, they called Macos, the military men come on board, and then Malcolm Reid's truly jealous of the Maco leader.

982
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.940
And then they have a whole episode where they're beating the shit out of each other, like in practice.

983
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:50.280
Oh God, it's just a appallingly macho characterisation.

984
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.539
It's terrible.

985
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.480
Stephen Culp, though, he's a guy, isn't he?

986
01:03:54.539 --> 01:03:55.739
Like he's a that guy.

987
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.860
He's seen everything, that head Maco guy.

988
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:03.599
Yeah, like they put soldiers on the Enterprise on Enterprise.

989
01:04:03.659 --> 01:04:04.619
It's crappy.

990
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.440
Very live series free.

991
01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:08.280
Yeah.

992
01:04:09.059 --> 01:04:10.139
Dear idea.

993
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:14.099
I like the, I just like that they're a bit bolder with it, you know, they're...

994
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:17.159
Yeah, yeah, but there's bold and there's bold.

995
01:04:17.219 --> 01:04:23.880
I just don't think that's a, you know, like they, like just having them do terrible things and then not get punished for it.

996
01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:25.079
I think what's the point of that?

997
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:26.099
What are we doing?

998
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:32.039
Well, I think then your reaction for this goes to show that you're far more intuitive, more money, Koto's doing with the show.

999
01:04:32.099 --> 01:04:32.519
Yeah, yeah.

1000
01:04:32.579 --> 01:04:33.300
Yeah, yeah.

1001
01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:47.099
Yeah, well, like I said, what's at stake is the very ethics, you know, it's like the series one finale of discovery, which is all about, do we decide to do the bad thing, or do we adhere to our ideals?

1002
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:56.340
Now she's put a beanie on the baby so that we don't have to do its ears in post-production.

1003
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:02.219
But remember that Spock wears the beanie and I don't even know which episode it is.

1004
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:03.539
So he goes down to it.

1005
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:04.139
Yeah, yeah.

1006
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:04.739
Yeah.

1007
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.119
That's the biggie, isn't it?

1008
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:07.679
So your major friend, though, isn't that one?

1009
01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:08.280
Is it?

1010
01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:09.480
Is it, maybe it is.

1011
01:05:09.539 --> 01:05:10.199
Maybe it is.

1012
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:16.860
There's a fabulous sequence in a minute, though, where to poll is left with the baby, and she tries to have a conversation with it.

1013
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.320
She could have been more awkward.

1014
01:05:19.380 --> 01:05:19.920
Could she?

1015
01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:21.599
It's really good.

1016
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:23.519
I think that's actually really good.

1017
01:05:23.579 --> 01:05:26.699
And there is like she's, I think she makes some good choices.

1018
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:27.300
I like it.

1019
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.159
I think it's it's pretty great.

1020
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:31.860
Baby.

1021
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:33.179
Baby's not going to do anything.

1022
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:34.440
Chill the fuck out, dude.

1023
01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:36.360
It's shitting itself as you speak.

1024
01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:40.139
Like, come on. you represents so much.

1025
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:41.280
It's what the baby represents.

1026
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.039
That's right. misogynation.

1027
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:46.380
Yeah.

1028
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:50.400
It's always bad news, you know, when you start talking about having babies on Star Trek.

1029
01:05:50.460 --> 01:05:51.719
Yeah.

1030
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.539
Dax died 10 minutes later, didn't she?

1031
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:55.800
Yeah, that's right.

1032
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:57.539
And their babies would have been so beautiful.

1033
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.599
I just think I know.

1034
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:04.380
Excuse me.

1035
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.920
You mock that, but that's the sort of melodrama we could do in this show, right?

1036
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:11.820
No, no, no. mocking it, but only because it's really super great.

1037
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:14.519
Well, I mean, they kill Lalov, don't they?

1038
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:30.059
Like they give Data a baby and then they have that really kind of, it is a somewhat meretricious, but nevertheless, completely effective scene where, you know, the bad admiral guy comes out crying or whatever because they haven't been able to save the baby or something.

1039
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:36.420
So they do that in Star Trek because it's just episodic.

1040
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.639
But here it's their last regular episode.

1041
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:41.340
You think they could have done something else.

1042
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.719
We could have just kept it.

1043
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:44.099
Just keep it.

1044
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:50.159
I think I think that was a bit distasteful at the end of the cage.

1045
01:06:50.219 --> 01:06:51.059
You know?

1046
01:06:51.059 --> 01:06:51.599
Yeah.

1047
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:52.679
Yeah, it's cheap.

1048
01:06:52.739 --> 01:06:53.099
I think.

1049
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:55.739
Well, it's the same cheapness as Trip Steph in the last one.

1050
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:57.179
You know, yeah, yeah.

1051
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:01.860
Trying to inject a moment of emotion that feels entirely manufactured.

1052
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:14.639
The only thing that I really liked was them saying that was Flock saying that it turns out that human and Vulcan DNA aren't compatible and that you aren't able to have a hybrid.

1053
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:27.420
And I think that's so great because the one thing that everyone, like literally everyone, people who haven't seen Star Trek, if you know one thing about Vulcans, is you know that Spock is half human, half Falcon.

1054
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:28.559
And I think that's really good.

1055
01:07:28.619 --> 01:07:31.320
And I remember kind of thinking, wow, okay.

1056
01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:36.119
And then I, you know, like you work at, obviously, that it was a cloning process and stuff like that was there.

1057
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:39.659
The obvious way they were going to get out of it and I wasn't surprised by that.

1058
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.500
But, um, Oh my God, imagine they'd have dropped that, you know.

1059
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.079
The baby was Spock, all of them.

1060
01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:47.940
That's not human.

1061
01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:51.900
Oh, no, it's what he is.

1062
01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:53.159
No, we love his parent.

1063
01:07:53.219 --> 01:07:53.880
I love his mother.

1064
01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:55.199
Yeah, yeah.

1065
01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:55.980
Yeah.

1066
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.179
Well, that's another thing as well. actually, do you know what?

1067
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:05.820
We meet a lot of family of all the other crew members of 90s trek.

1068
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:06.659
I don't remember it.

1069
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.420
Anyone's family in maybe Flux's wife.

1070
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:10.260
That's about it.

1071
01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:11.760
Yeah, Fox's wife.

1072
01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:17.100
We obviously, um, Tripp's sister gets killed.

1073
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:23.279
You know, do you remember Wolf's fabulous parents and...

1074
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:26.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great.

1075
01:08:26.220 --> 01:08:28.020
Dr. Maura.

1076
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:32.100
What, um, oh, yeah, he's good too.

1077
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:33.359
He said that guy.

1078
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:40.800
Travis does have an episode where he meets his family or something, does he or not?

1079
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.119
There is an episode where he meets boomers or whatever the hell they are.

1080
01:08:45.180 --> 01:08:46.140
Oh, yeah, no, no.

1081
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.300
Is his family...

1082
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.000
No, no, it's somebody he used to know, but something he used to work with.

1083
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.279
But yeah, I don't know.

1084
01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:56.939
I feel like they, like you said, they're trying to do a departure from the norm.

1085
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.579
Unfortunately, the norm works.

1086
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.199
So what they're departing from, I don't know.

1087
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:05.279
Do you know, I love this scene and it's trip.

1088
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:07.199
It's so good.

1089
01:09:07.260 --> 01:09:12.239
And it's that sort of thing, like he's talking about how he didn't like Vulcans.

1090
01:09:12.300 --> 01:09:16.859
He didn't bring up Strange New World where he was just a massive fucking race.

1091
01:09:16.979 --> 01:09:19.319
I was going to say that. you remember that when he went there?

1092
01:09:19.380 --> 01:09:20.100
It was awful.

1093
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.039
Just drinking. hurt her or something like that?

1094
01:09:23.100 --> 01:09:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1095
01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:25.739
Yeah, it was really unpleasant.

1096
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:40.140
And, and then this, like, this guy whose name I said last time he's Daniel, Daniel, he, like, he's like an evil fascist and stuff.

1097
01:09:40.140 --> 01:09:43.920
And, and this is so good.

1098
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:50.039
Like, there's there's a moment where you think, oh, he's going to punch him.

1099
01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:54.539
He's going to punch him in the face, but he's going to be prevented. but he isn't.

1100
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.899
Like they just let him punch the fascist in the face in the show.

1101
01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:59.220
Like, it's so good.

1102
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.199
It was one of my favourite moments in the episode.

1103
01:10:01.260 --> 01:10:02.100
Yeah, that's right.

1104
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:03.659
Calls it a half human thing.

1105
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:05.760
The baby's a half human thing.

1106
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:10.199
And it looks like he's going to be, he's going to back down.

1107
01:10:10.260 --> 01:10:12.539
He's not going to, see, he turns away.

1108
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.779
He looks like he's going to back down, then he goes, no, fuck it. punching the guy in the face.

1109
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:28.380
It's awesome Maybe the journey we've gone on with these characters and it's not to get them, no, get to know them better, is to, for them to drop their, because they are the regular cast of enterprise in series one.

1110
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:36.359
There is a heavy level of racism. inherent in their characters and come series four.

1111
01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:37.560
That's kind of fallen away.

1112
01:10:37.619 --> 01:10:38.579
They've seen the universe.

1113
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:39.840
They've seen what it's got to offer.

1114
01:10:39.899 --> 01:10:40.979
They gotten to know Tapal.

1115
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.520
They've made, you know, connections with Vulcans and Andorians and all of this.

1116
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.100
And the last episode.

1117
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:47.520
You know what?

1118
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:57.720
The move me most, and these are the voyages, it was the moment where just before he gives his speech, Archer goes up to Nepal, and he gives her a hug, and she holds it really tight.

1119
01:10:57.779 --> 01:11:02.039
And when you think where they started in episode one, that is unfinkable.

1120
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:02.880
Yeah, cereal.

1121
01:11:02.939 --> 01:11:03.239
Yeah.

1122
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:04.380
Well, yeah.

1123
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:10.560
Yeah, and I get, I get, I guess Flocks gets to do that in this episode.

1124
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:16.079
Like, I don't know what he does in these are the voyages, but he does get to say, no, this is fine.

1125
01:11:16.140 --> 01:11:17.819
I love this too.

1126
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:19.739
Like Flux is handing him a bath bag.

1127
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:21.180
I like it.

1128
01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:25.380
Just a reminder.

1129
01:11:25.380 --> 01:11:26.520
He has the funniest character.

1130
01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:29.460
He hands it back to him in the next seed.

1131
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.239
Like, we've cut away for another scene with sort of tedious Peter Weller being a brick.

1132
01:11:33.300 --> 01:11:37.020
And then I think he hands it back, doesn't he, in the next scene?

1133
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.159
Yeah, we could have done it with a bit more flock here, couldn't we, in this?

1134
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:45.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:45.840
Yeah.

1136
01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:47.699
Yeah.

1137
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.039
So what do you think this keyboard does behind his hand?

1138
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:54.600
This guy's like, EE, B, B, 13?

1139
01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:56.100
I don't think that's a real...

1140
01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:56.640
No, I know.

1141
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.100
Yeah, I think they're just decorative.

1142
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.739
Yes.

1143
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.380
This old-fashioned push buttons, though, you know, not those.

1144
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:05.039
Yes.

1145
01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:05.640
Oh, I agree.

1146
01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:06.420
I agree.

1147
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:07.739
And clearly they wanted that.

1148
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:13.920
They do that with the Delta Flyer, even though it makes no sense. because they're sort of more physical.

1149
01:12:13.979 --> 01:12:16.500
And because the touchscreens are boring.

1150
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:26.100
And I think, um, like they were the best thing ever when I was watching this when it was 1st on, the touchscreens, but now we all have them in our pockets all the time, you know.

1151
01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:29.399
There's so much word peril in this episode.

1152
01:12:29.460 --> 01:12:31.680
There's so much talk about what could happen.

1153
01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:33.180
Yes, yeah.

1154
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:34.619
Get on with it already.

1155
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:40.619
I mean, it's the same thing with the protests.

1156
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:51.840
Remembering Strangely Worlds, the pilot where there are protests and we see them, but we see them, you know, like somehow.

1157
01:12:51.899 --> 01:13:01.619
Like they, like, they managed to give it scale without having like a movie budget, they managed to give it scale, but they don't manage to.

1158
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:04.619
Somehow TV has changed in 20 years.

1159
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:06.539
And here it was Tell Don't Show.

1160
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:12.779
Now there's enough money usually to show without having to tell.

1161
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:14.279
Oh, here we go.

1162
01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:15.659
Who's that same word to po on the baby?

1163
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.239
It's so adorable, isn't it?

1164
01:13:18.300 --> 01:13:21.600
Like, she just doesn't have to talk to your father about this.

1165
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:24.539
I thought that was beautiful.

1166
01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:27.659
I actually thought that that wasn't that wasn't going for a gag.

1167
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:30.899
It was like, we should talk about giving you some kind of name.

1168
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.859
I guess I should talk to your father and I thought that was actually quite sweet.

1169
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:40.260
And it is like, you know, Vulcan's, yeah, look, he's vomited.

1170
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:42.899
He's handing the full bag back to flocks there.

1171
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.840
He's zipped the bag up.

1172
01:13:45.899 --> 01:13:48.119
No, no, he just vomited during the thing.

1173
01:13:48.659 --> 01:13:51.840
Does the Martian ice cap look like that?

1174
01:13:51.899 --> 01:13:53.760
don't know I don't know, but there was a nicer.

1175
01:13:53.819 --> 01:13:54.180
I think sure.

1176
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:54.720
A minute there goes.

1177
01:13:54.779 --> 01:13:58.199
They head towards that rock and all the sort of fragments were coming towards the camera.

1178
01:13:58.260 --> 01:13:59.100
That was quite long.

1179
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.060
Oh, yeah, that was okay.

1180
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.000
But basically that comet looks incredibly shit.

1181
01:14:03.060 --> 01:14:05.760
Like the bit where they're going.

1182
01:14:05.819 --> 01:14:06.659
Yeah, exactly.

1183
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:08.220
Just shockingly bad.

1184
01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:10.439
Yeah, there we go.

1185
01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:12.180
Wee, look at those rocks.

1186
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's not too bad.

1187
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:15.420
There's a big rock.

1188
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:21.539
What is happening here?

1189
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:22.800
That's just bullshit.

1190
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:23.220
Come on.

1191
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:24.600
Oh, no.

1192
01:14:24.659 --> 01:14:28.500
Look, just to show, we're still in Nighty Street, they're wobbling about the set.

1193
01:14:28.859 --> 01:14:31.619
Yes, yeah, yeah, really badly too, aren't they?

1194
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:33.119
They're doing a really shit job of it.

1195
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:36.720
Well, they've only had 4 years' work. when we saw the last time.

1196
01:14:36.779 --> 01:14:38.760
They had an extra free seasons practice.

1197
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:44.039
Why are they making the shuttle pod go round and round?

1198
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.439
Because they can. such a bad idea.

1199
01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:49.500
Oh, no, look at this sort of dust bowl eruption here.

1200
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:50.279
That's a bit...

1201
01:14:50.579 --> 01:14:51.239
This is so good.

1202
01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:52.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1203
01:14:52.619 --> 01:14:54.779
Oh, dear, dear, it's bad, isn't it?

1204
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:55.319
Yeah.

1205
01:14:55.380 --> 01:14:55.920
Yeah.

1206
01:14:55.979 --> 01:15:01.739
And things like things like smoke and stuff took a while before we could get them right.

1207
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.939
So that's a little bit sort of primitive CG because they couldn't do smoke very well.

1208
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:12.479
Look, I don't want to shit on this too much, but like they kind of land, take over, get the baby back.

1209
01:15:12.539 --> 01:15:13.260
That's the end.

1210
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:15.899
It's a bit simple, isn't it, the resolution?

1211
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:16.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:16.920
Yeah.

1213
01:15:16.979 --> 01:15:18.119
Yeah.

1214
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.800
I mean, it's usually that though, isn't it?

1215
01:15:22.859 --> 01:15:24.239
There's a bit of peril at the end.

1216
01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:31.979
I mean, you've got the window blowing out and you do have a confrontation between Archer and the villain, which I think you want, you know, and then he beats.

1217
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:35.159
That's still incredibly uncharismatic characters facing off.

1218
01:15:35.579 --> 01:15:42.659
But then he gets to defeat the villain and then he gets to go and give his speech about what the correct principles are.

1219
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.079
The payoff to the episode is that bit at the end, isn't it?

1220
01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:49.920
Where you can see the formation, the slow formation of the Federation.

1221
01:15:49.979 --> 01:15:50.340
Yeah.

1222
01:15:50.340 --> 01:15:50.939
Yeah.

1223
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:55.199
Yeah, it's funny.

1224
01:15:55.260 --> 01:16:11.460
There must have been a better way of doing the finale and showing that like they've got this thing where because they haven't worked towards it, they suddenly just have to kind of make it so that in the last 3 episodes of the show, these people have an important role in history.

1225
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:12.779
Do you know what I mean?

1226
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.239
where like, you know, I don't know.

1227
01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:20.880
Like they sort of manage it, but it does seem like it's cheating a bit, I think.

1228
01:16:20.939 --> 01:16:23.640
A Cole Sagan Memorial Station.

1229
01:16:23.699 --> 01:16:31.680
Yeah, so it's the, see, there's a tractor that we landed a tractor on Mars, like curiosity or whatever.

1230
01:16:31.739 --> 01:16:35.039
I don't know exactly what thing it is, but yes, that's pretty great.

1231
01:16:35.819 --> 01:16:43.739
And this is nice because this is, again, using Merriweather or Mayweather's skills here.

1232
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:47.159
Yes, obviously, I don't think he's ever had a better couple of episodes.

1233
01:16:47.220 --> 01:16:48.180
No.

1234
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:49.079
Well, I don't know.

1235
01:16:49.140 --> 01:16:51.539
Maybe he's in every other episode of City...

1236
01:16:51.539 --> 01:16:52.739
Oh, he went up to Manico.

1237
01:16:52.739 --> 01:16:54.359
I've been with this show 4 years.

1238
01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:56.579
I've done nothing Give me some lines.

1239
01:16:57.300 --> 01:16:59.220
Please let me do something.

1240
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:01.020
And isn't isn't Hoshi up on the show?

1241
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:01.680
That is.

1242
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:02.760
Look how bad that is.

1243
01:17:03.060 --> 01:17:04.979
Like you can see...

1244
01:17:04.979 --> 01:17:06.359
Mandalorian. are you talking about?

1245
01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:09.300
No, no, you can see where the painting of the rocks.

1246
01:17:09.420 --> 01:17:12.119
Like you can see where the sky meets the land.

1247
01:17:12.300 --> 01:17:17.880
I mean, the where the corner of the studio is. lighting's reasonable.

1248
01:17:17.939 --> 01:17:19.140
Look, I'm they're trying.

1249
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.840
And like I appreciate my...

1250
01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:25.859
I do appreciate Mars because I just think that's super interesting.

1251
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:27.479
You know what they could have done?

1252
01:17:27.539 --> 01:17:34.560
They could have done, you know, right back to TNG series one and just had some terrible old studio with a lighted backdrop.

1253
01:17:34.619 --> 01:17:36.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
01:17:36.300 --> 01:17:43.199
Yeah, look, I think it's it is an attempt and we have come somewhere in the last 18 years, I guess. if this is where we reach.

1255
01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:45.300
You know, it does.

1256
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:55.439
So very weird with 90s trek is in some episodes, they really learn how to make those planetary in studio or not really effective.

1257
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.199
And then at other times, they just completely forget how to do it.

1258
01:17:58.260 --> 01:18:08.399
I think, you know, like I think some of the computer stuff in late Voyager is more successful than what they're doing here.

1259
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:15.779
And I don't know whether it's because they're more ambitious here, but, you know, like the moonscape and the Marscape and all of that sort of thing.

1260
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:21.180
Like, I thought those things tended to look better on Voyager late in its run.

1261
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:35.579
In the beginning of workforce. a sequence where we go across a CGI sort of factory landscape and then the camera lands on people coming down from the stairs and that's a practical shop that's been inlaid in.

1262
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:37.439
And it's seamless.

1263
01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:45.659
Yeah, I reckon, you know, like timeless when they find the Voyager frozen under a glacier or whatever.

1264
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.340
Like, I think that looks amazing.

1265
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:50.279
I do think that these look rough.

1266
01:18:50.340 --> 01:18:53.279
Um, I mean, there's one shot.

1267
01:18:53.340 --> 01:19:00.960
Do you remember rocks and shoals when they're coming out of the water on that desert landscape and then they superimpose the Gemini ship going under the water behind.

1268
01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:01.920
Yeah, yeah.

1269
01:19:01.979 --> 01:19:03.600
Yeah, that's for this as well.

1270
01:19:03.659 --> 01:19:05.579
I think I don't know.

1271
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:11.220
I guess it's the director and the resources at the time and...

1272
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:23.279
Yeah, but I think it is just an over, like an overarching failure to realise that your job is to put something weird and interesting on screen.

1273
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:30.840
And so we have had, I guess we had that action sequence just then in shuttle pod 2 or whatever.

1274
01:19:30.899 --> 01:19:36.659
Uh, and otherwise we've just had establishing shots, haven't we?

1275
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:37.319
Yeah.

1276
01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:38.220
Yeah.

1277
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:39.720
Which is kind of what they're doing now.

1278
01:19:39.779 --> 01:19:47.579
Yeah, well, no, that, that's the fucking Verderon array painted on the wall of the studio, you know.

1279
01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:50.520
Nathan, I loved Hoshi on the ship.

1280
01:19:50.579 --> 01:19:52.199
Yes, politician.

1281
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.000
Fucking back down.

1282
01:19:54.060 --> 01:19:55.319
I'm in charge, you know?

1283
01:19:55.380 --> 01:19:58.560
Yeah, she's cool as a cucumber as well.

1284
01:19:58.619 --> 01:20:02.939
She's cool with this scene as she was picking that bat out of the air and I can sit mate, you know?

1285
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:04.560
That's great.

1286
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.180
That's great in that.

1287
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.739
I actually think I actually think she probably could have been given a lot more to do, you know, though.

1288
01:20:10.739 --> 01:20:11.399
Yeah, I think so too.

1289
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:12.960
Yeah.

1290
01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:18.600
Oh, who's that lady on the bridge looking giving dagger eyes to Harry Grown-up?

1291
01:20:18.659 --> 01:20:19.500
He famous, you know.

1292
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:23.159
Yeah, she's killing it, isn't she?

1293
01:20:23.220 --> 01:20:23.880
Whoa hoo.

1294
01:20:23.939 --> 01:20:25.619
You can't relieve me, you asshole.

1295
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:30.720
Um, Look at, she's just standing there.

1296
01:20:30.779 --> 01:20:33.779
She's not grandstanding either and she's quite small.

1297
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:39.359
She's just standing there quite relaxed with her arms crossed and she's good.

1298
01:20:39.420 --> 01:20:41.039
Why can't they?

1299
01:20:41.100 --> 01:20:42.600
Does she get to do more?

1300
01:20:42.659 --> 01:20:48.300
sort of, that's the sort of scene that, sorry, I could constantly bringing up the terrible acting of Gauge McFadden.

1301
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.060
But it's a sort of thing, you know, games were fading would fudge completely.

1302
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:57.420
She just sort of look a bit confused and whereas what's Hoshi's, what's the actress's name?

1303
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.000
Linda Park.

1304
01:21:00.060 --> 01:21:01.199
Yeah, she's.

1305
01:21:01.260 --> 01:21:02.100
Yeah.

1306
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:03.000
She sells it.

1307
01:21:03.060 --> 01:21:04.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1308
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:05.760
Here we go.

1309
01:21:05.819 --> 01:21:07.199
Look, they were just meeting in a corner.

1310
01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:07.859
Oh there you are.

1311
01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:08.939
Right, you're here.

1312
01:21:08.939 --> 01:21:09.899
Yep.

1313
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:10.800
Oh, that was easy.

1314
01:21:11.819 --> 01:21:18.779
They just can't let go of some of these. like obviously TV's coming on a bit, but they can't let go of some of these 90s trek.

1315
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:20.880
Yeah, we see it.

1316
01:21:20.939 --> 01:21:22.319
I think that that is the problem.

1317
01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:28.140
I can't remember, but by now is this starting to look a bit cheap?

1318
01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:30.300
Compared to everything else?

1319
01:21:30.300 --> 01:21:33.479
What's happening in 2003 or whatever?

1320
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:46.260
But weirdly enough, you know, I think the last 2 or 3 episodes of series 3 where the weapon is heading towards the earth and they're doing massive, spectacular set pieces.

1321
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:47.939
I'm going to say the word spectacular.

1322
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.279
Yeah, when you eventually see them.

1323
01:21:50.340 --> 01:21:52.079
I'm sure you'll disagree with me.

1324
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.560
Yeah, but maybe, yeah.

1325
01:21:55.619 --> 01:21:57.539
And it's because they just can't.

1326
01:21:57.659 --> 01:22:13.260
They've been, like I said, they've been churning out 600 odd episodes for donkeys years, and they've got into a certain pattern of doing things, and it took, it took something like those, those bloody movies, orange, Chris Pine, to come in and really shake it up and shake it up.

1327
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1328
01:22:15.420 --> 01:22:17.159
Yeah, that's exactly it.

1329
01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:19.020
And I think that that's when it hits, isn't it?

1330
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:22.439
And I think, you know, something like Discovery, they don't even attempt.

1331
01:22:22.500 --> 01:22:28.140
You know, no one would do a show like Star Trek for 26 episodes a year.

1332
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:32.939
Like you would just never do that because you'd end up with something that just didn't look very interesting.

1333
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.300
And it would be able to press the randomiser on Kurtzman Trek more often.

1334
01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:43.199
Well, but, I mean, Curse and Trek is basically doing nearly 50 episodes of Star Trek a year.

1335
01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:46.260
It's just that they're spread across different shows.

1336
01:22:47.220 --> 01:22:51.600
And so, you know, like this is they're creating more...

1337
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:53.159
Different production teams as well.

1338
01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:55.020
So they've all got very different looks.

1339
01:22:55.140 --> 01:22:56.340
Oh, exactly.

1340
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:57.960
Different castes, the whole thing.

1341
01:22:58.319 --> 01:22:59.699
Yeah.

1342
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:02.579
I'm hoping it's coming for Doctor Who, you know, the same sort of thing.

1343
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:08.640
I am reasonably sure that it is. is my guess.

1344
01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:10.739
Oh no, it's tripping shot.

1345
01:23:11.340 --> 01:23:13.439
No, just fallen over.

1346
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:15.659
Yeah, no, plasma grid.

1347
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:17.640
Oh, no, it was an exploring control panel.

1348
01:23:17.699 --> 01:23:18.420
No, no.

1349
01:23:18.539 --> 01:23:19.140
Captain Archer.

1350
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.300
You turn... he's got a humanity, isn't he?

1351
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:22.560
He did get shot, didn't he?

1352
01:23:22.619 --> 01:23:24.420
I thought he was going to lie down.

1353
01:23:25.859 --> 01:23:31.439
See, you say they're having a confrontation, but one's hiding behind a grid and the other one's behind a console.

1354
01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:32.340
So it's not really.

1355
01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.220
No, no, they come out and properly confront one another in a minute.

1356
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:36.539
And the window's cracking.

1357
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:40.439
So, you know, the vacuum is about to...

1358
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:43.619
But somehow they manage to not make it exciting or visceral.

1359
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:45.960
It just looks like someone drawing lines across the screen.

1360
01:23:46.079 --> 01:24:01.979
Do you remember in the 2nd Jurassic Park movie where they're on the window, on the rear windscreen of the bus, and it's cracking and you hear it crack and you feel like there's a real reality to it where this...

1361
01:24:01.979 --> 01:24:03.060
Yeah, that's right.

1362
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.819
Just, you know, like...

1363
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:10.920
Yeah, you also, you want some fantastic foley here, don't you?

1364
01:24:10.979 --> 01:24:12.359
That's really...

1365
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.020
Well, it's just a tiny room, isn't it?

1366
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:19.140
So...

1367
01:24:19.140 --> 01:24:22.260
Now Archie's having a lie down.

1368
01:24:25.739 --> 01:24:28.920
Oh, no, Nathan is like great.

1369
01:24:28.979 --> 01:24:29.460
I'm sorry.

1370
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.439
It's confrontationally.

1371
01:24:31.500 --> 01:24:31.920
It's not.

1372
01:24:31.979 --> 01:24:34.380
No, no, no, it's not automatic.

1373
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:38.340
Plus, like, these 2 they don't have any kind of a relationship either.

1374
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.859
So it's not like a Khan kirk sort of thing, is it?

1375
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:42.000
No, that's right.

1376
01:24:42.060 --> 01:24:43.020
Yeah.

1377
01:24:43.140 --> 01:24:46.140
Yes, that's the thing that you have to do, isn't it?

1378
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:51.000
I guess that's why Soren doesn't work because he's just some asshole who wants to blow up people we don't care about.

1379
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:53.220
Do you remember that?

1380
01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:54.060
I reckon.

1381
01:24:54.180 --> 01:25:01.800
That final confrontation between like Odo and the female shapeshifter and what you leave behind, it means something because they've got a relationship.

1382
01:25:02.699 --> 01:25:06.239
Or any scene between Major Kira and Dukat.

1383
01:25:06.659 --> 01:25:08.699
Oh, so that's right.

1384
01:25:08.819 --> 01:25:16.739
And you sort of think, 0 my god, that's actually quite good because it looks like he doesn't manage to stop it, but we then discover the trips already.

1385
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:20.340
I like this effect shot of the beam going into the water.

1386
01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:23.939
It's just landing in the ocean to just kill some fucking whales probably.

1387
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:34.140
Oh, yeah. into all that trouble and now Paxton's killed all the whales again.

1388
01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:34.979
Defeated him.

1389
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:37.500
Can't we just say in the episode here instead of watching this baby die?

1390
01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:39.300
I mean, yeah, I agree.

1391
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.100
Yeah, I agree.

1392
01:25:41.699 --> 01:25:46.739
Oh, look, there was, oh, there's some proper acting there from Tapol.

1393
01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:49.260
And we get some decent actual break.

1394
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.000
John Billingsley now as well.

1395
01:25:51.060 --> 01:25:52.380
Yeah.

1396
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:53.340
Yeah.

1397
01:25:53.340 --> 01:25:56.460
And gold, because otherwise I'd just be like, what is the point of this?

1398
01:25:59.579 --> 01:26:05.399
Yeah, again, all of this sort of emotional hev they're giving to this relationship between these two.

1399
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.239
It adds more insult to that decision in that last episode.

1400
01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:11.760
I know I keep saying it, but...

1401
01:26:11.819 --> 01:26:15.779
No, it's actually my best character. such a bizarre choice.

1402
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:20.699
Well, yeah, but I think they know it's the best character and that's why they think it's going to land. yeah.

1403
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:21.420
Yeah.

1404
01:26:22.140 --> 01:26:25.560
It's almost like they go, oh, well, he's dead.

1405
01:26:25.619 --> 01:26:28.199
I've got to go give a speech now for the formation of the Federation.

1406
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:38.880
And then, and then it's all, all just sort of distracting because you've got Riker and Troy. in the background of every scene, reminding you that none of this is actually happening.

1407
01:26:38.939 --> 01:26:39.960
Yeah.

1408
01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:41.460
Well, it is happening.

1409
01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.039
It's on telly Any very bizarre.

1410
01:26:44.100 --> 01:26:46.560
And now I can't watch the Pegasus in the same way either.

1411
01:26:46.619 --> 01:26:47.640
So it's ruined that.

1412
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:48.840
Oh, you're just imagined.

1413
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:57.720
You're imagining Johnny and Marina disappearing into the very odd because he's put on a lot of weight, you know, between scenes.

1414
01:26:59.699 --> 01:27:04.079
Well, I mean, it's 11, 12 years or something, isn't it?

1415
01:27:04.140 --> 01:27:05.819
Like Pegasus is series seven.

1416
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:10.560
And Marina Service has suddenly become extremely relaxed within our performance.

1417
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:12.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1418
01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:13.380
That's it.

1419
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:17.399
She's actually she's great in the last episode of Enterprise.

1420
01:27:17.460 --> 01:27:19.260
She's she's the best thing in it, aren't they?

1421
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:20.699
I bet.

1422
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:25.800
I mean, I think she's terrific when she's in Voyager as well. you know, love her in Voyager.

1423
01:27:25.859 --> 01:27:28.920
I hope in series 3 of Picard.

1424
01:27:28.979 --> 01:27:30.659
She's full on like in that interview.

1425
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:31.680
Yeah, gate seat.

1426
01:27:31.739 --> 01:27:32.340
Gate seat.

1427
01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.199
Cockney Marina, you know?

1428
01:27:37.260 --> 01:27:38.220
So wonderful.

1429
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:42.119
I don't know what they'll do about the daughter, though.

1430
01:27:42.180 --> 01:27:45.000
Like she'll be off somewhere.

1431
01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:45.720
Yeah.

1432
01:27:45.779 --> 01:27:48.600
Or please make a reference to Mrs. Troy as well.

1433
01:27:48.659 --> 01:27:49.500
Come on.

1434
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.840
She'd be dead by now.

1435
01:27:51.899 --> 01:27:55.500
Or was she on Beta Z when the Dominion destroyed it?

1436
01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:58.500
They just took over. didn't destroy it.

1437
01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:02.340
That was such a great thing. was a good choice.

1438
01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.039
The hell was this all about?

1439
01:28:05.100 --> 01:28:08.279
Oh, yeah, so this weird random plot.

1440
01:28:08.340 --> 01:28:14.100
So, so, we can confront that guy because there's someone on the ship.

1441
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:17.819
Is that why Gannet is on board?

1442
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:22.560
Because they've got a...

1443
01:28:22.619 --> 01:28:24.899
Why not musical we're a greedy gannet, you know?

1444
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.939
A greedy gobble gannet.

1445
01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:30.119
I'm doing an English accent then.

1446
01:28:30.180 --> 01:28:32.939
I think you were I was.

1447
01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:36.060
A greedy gobble get it.

1448
01:28:37.260 --> 01:28:39.359
Yeah, so what?

1449
01:28:39.420 --> 01:28:41.399
He was the real...

1450
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:43.800
He was the villain for long, although I don't know what he was doing.

1451
01:28:43.859 --> 01:28:46.140
Like, we didn't notice.

1452
01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:48.180
Was he in any scenes before this one?

1453
01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:48.720
No.

1454
01:28:48.779 --> 01:28:49.619
No, no, no.

1455
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:52.500
He's apparently been doing bad things, but we don't know what they are.

1456
01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.319
Then we have this massive emotional scene.

1457
01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:56.100
He's like...

1458
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:57.000
This pretty boy.

1459
01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:59.760
Don't tell my parents I was a racist.

1460
01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:07.020
Oh, he's really neither of them are doing very good job, are they?

1461
01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:15.840
Like, this is clearly his 1st role on telly because he's 12 and he's having a bit of a cry and he's really trying to do some proper acting.

1462
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:22.619
Imagine, okay, imagine Enterprise, actually had like discovery, Denver, characters like that.

1463
01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.859
And it was a character like that that we established.

1464
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:26.819
Yeah, yeah.

1465
01:29:27.420 --> 01:29:29.579
Yeah, oh, and...

1466
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:37.380
Well, no, do you remember, do you remember in, um, in the hands of the prophets when old, uh, O'Brien's assistant goes to assassinate Barral.

1467
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:45.359
Yeah, but they establish her in the previous episode or Ashley Judd's character in the game. and she's in the previous episode.

1468
01:29:45.420 --> 01:29:46.020
Yeah.

1469
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:46.739
Yeah.

1470
01:29:46.739 --> 01:29:48.119
Yeah.

1471
01:29:48.180 --> 01:29:50.159
You've learned these lessons, like...

1472
01:29:50.460 --> 01:29:52.319
But I just think that's unpleasant.

1473
01:29:52.380 --> 01:29:59.760
Like, and so Archer has to watch this kid shoot himself in the head and then what it now is off in the next scene doing something else.

1474
01:29:59.819 --> 01:30:02.939
It just doesn't, like, it's so weightless.

1475
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:09.239
I think it's supposed to be like as visceral as that Battlestar Galactica where D shot herself in the head.

1476
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:25.199
But it's absolutely consequence free and bloodless in the usual Star Trek way that I always complain about. is holding a sort of big bulbous, police of plastic to his head that looks vaguely like a gun, and then we cut away from anything and say, you know, nothing really bad happens.

1477
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:31.739
But the reason why the D suicide is so effective is because we are full of that character for 4 seasons.

1478
01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:33.239
Yeah, yeah, it's a big shock.

1479
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:35.460
Gosh, unbelievable that scene, isn't it?

1480
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:36.840
Yeah, yeah.

1481
01:30:36.899 --> 01:30:37.680
Yeah.

1482
01:30:37.739 --> 01:30:39.119
Oh, no.

1483
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.779
Look, they do give them real focus on that terrible confidence backdrop.

1484
01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:43.619
Oh yeah.

1485
01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:46.439
It's really bad, isn't it?

1486
01:30:46.500 --> 01:30:47.340
What is it?

1487
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:49.859
It's like a comedy slander on something.

1488
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:50.819
The polls close.

1489
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.220
Why do they give them those terrible jumpsuits to wait?

1490
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:54.600
I know it's velour.

1491
01:30:54.659 --> 01:30:56.760
Like it's a pink velour jumpsuit.

1492
01:30:56.819 --> 01:30:59.100
It's so much worse than what 7 wears, I think.

1493
01:30:59.460 --> 01:31:07.439
See, and I like I like the sentiment of this scene and what he's saying and what it represents and that they are unified.

1494
01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:08.699
There was another danobulin.

1495
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:10.739
Look, we're going to get the crotassin.

1496
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.760
The Andorians antennae are wiggling excitedly.

1497
01:31:14.819 --> 01:31:16.079
They're good though.

1498
01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:21.539
I mean, they look so incredibly crap in original series Star Trek.

1499
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:23.579
It does sell them a little bit.

1500
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:28.079
What was it you said that time about Dr. Flux's costumes made him look like...

1501
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.720
Oh, he just looks like a swinger, doesn't he?

1502
01:31:30.779 --> 01:31:39.060
Like he's, he's very, he's like a really hep kind of dude in the 60s, you know, in his... yeah, yeah.

1503
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:40.020
Like I think...

1504
01:31:40.140 --> 01:31:43.380
You know, the the Vulcan guy there, you know, a terrible conflict with Archer.

1505
01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:46.619
He's looking at him there admirably now with such respect.

1506
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:46.979
Yeah.

1507
01:31:46.979 --> 01:31:48.239
Yeah, and that's...

1508
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:49.260
We come a long way.

1509
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:51.300
No, please, no.

1510
01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:56.399
This speech is really badly delivered.

1511
01:31:56.460 --> 01:31:58.020
It's so bad.

1512
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:16.140
Like, you know, he's no, like, there are times when I just sort of think that Patrick Stewart's slumming it, not bothering and taking 7 years off acting or whatever. you know, and just having a relax, you know, cashing in the paycheques.

1513
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:22.079
But he would give this speech, you know, he would just absolutely knock this speech out of part.

1514
01:32:22.140 --> 01:32:22.920
Oh, we would as well.

1515
01:32:22.979 --> 01:32:25.199
Yeah, she would nail it.

1516
01:32:25.260 --> 01:32:26.399
She would absolutely nail it.

1517
01:32:26.460 --> 01:32:29.699
Avery Bruce would be grinning to a point where you're weak at the knees.

1518
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.020
Yeah, yeah.

1519
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:48.420
I mean, this is the sentiment at the end too, isn't it, of the end of Star Trek, the Next Generation, that, you know, we're going to boldly go places, but the real adventure is getting to know each other sort of thing.

1520
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:53.399
And that connection thing that becomes the that big deal in discovery as well.

1521
01:32:53.460 --> 01:32:59.159
Yeah, the final frontier begins. as terribly executed as it may be.

1522
01:32:59.220 --> 01:33:05.819
I do appreciate them trying to bring this show to some kind of a conclusion and an optimistic one of that.

1523
01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:07.079
Yeah, yeah.

1524
01:33:07.260 --> 01:33:09.300
Yeah, I think so too.

1525
01:33:09.539 --> 01:33:14.279
I mean, it certainly would have been better had it ended in series three.

1526
01:33:14.340 --> 01:33:18.000
It would have ended with that Nazi appearing out of nowhere.

1527
01:33:18.060 --> 01:33:19.619
But even, that would have been the end.

1528
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.960
That would have been great.

1529
01:33:22.020 --> 01:33:23.279
Imagine that.

1530
01:33:23.460 --> 01:33:25.560
Oh, now what are we doing?

1531
01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:27.180
We're having dead baby conversation.

1532
01:33:27.300 --> 01:33:33.180
No, we're having the... the...

1533
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:34.140
Yes.

1534
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.479
And you should have backed up on that transport as well.

1535
01:33:39.539 --> 01:33:41.340
Yeah, some kids.

1536
01:33:41.340 --> 01:33:43.199
TV show set.

1537
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.960
It does look bad, doesn't it?

1538
01:33:46.020 --> 01:33:47.279
It's terrible.

1539
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:50.460
Oh, they learn some lessons in discovery.

1540
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:52.260
They probably looked at 90s trek and said, right.

1541
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.359
Whatever we're going to do, we're just not going to do that.

1542
01:33:54.420 --> 01:33:56.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1543
01:33:56.159 --> 01:34:12.420
So there was a hilarious thing that I read that said that the original model, you know, you know, Enterprise NX 01 is completely computer generated. like it's there's no model, but it was going to be bronze, you know, like the starships are in discovery.

1544
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:20.699
Um, and somehow it just turned out being a sort of terribly boring, um, you know, oh, it looks all right.

1545
01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:22.020
Looks like metal, I guess.

1546
01:34:22.140 --> 01:34:25.680
This is the last scene now, is there, between trip and power?

1547
01:34:25.739 --> 01:34:27.000
And it's very melancholic.

1548
01:34:27.060 --> 01:34:29.399
So I'm kind of glad they didn't end the series on this note.

1549
01:34:29.819 --> 01:34:36.060
No, it is an odd thing to do, but it does, what it does do though.

1550
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:43.140
These 2 characters were antagonistic when it 1st started, weren't they?

1551
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:44.159
Yes.

1552
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.020
Yeah, definitely.

1553
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:47.220
Well, Strangely World.

1554
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:48.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1555
01:34:48.420 --> 01:34:52.380
But, I mean, even before then, isn't there like her refusing to shake his in or something like that?

1556
01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:55.079
There's a very awkward dinner scene in the 1st episode.

1557
01:34:55.140 --> 01:34:55.439
Yeah.

1558
01:34:55.500 --> 01:34:57.539
Yeah, so right from the beginning.

1559
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:06.960
And so the show ends, like, you know, the last thing that we see in the normal enterprise timeline, isn't it a close-up of them holding hands?

1560
01:35:07.020 --> 01:35:08.279
Yeah.

1561
01:35:08.340 --> 01:35:10.140
And...

1562
01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:14.460
And I think that Conor Triner does a really good job of this.

1563
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:16.979
I mean, he's, you know, he's covered in glycerine and stuff like that.

1564
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:21.840
Like, I'm not buying those tears, but I think he sells this really well.

1565
01:35:21.899 --> 01:35:24.300
And he has to do it, of course, doesn't he?

1566
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:29.279
He has to do all of that because she has to downplay it because she's a Vulcan.

1567
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:34.560
And, of course, the final scene is, yes, we can have a Spock in future as well.

1568
01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:36.899
So that's another link, isn't it?

1569
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.000
to the future that it is possible.

1570
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:41.100
And we will try again.

1571
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:41.819
That's the other thing.

1572
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:42.600
Let's try again.

1573
01:35:42.659 --> 01:35:44.819
Let's, I think that's pretty good.

1574
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:46.800
The sentiment is like optimistic.

1575
01:35:46.859 --> 01:35:49.500
But the tone is very downbeat.

1576
01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:51.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1577
01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:54.539
Well, if they decide to kill a baby in the final episode, It's not a good thing.

1578
01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:55.560
This is Conor Trenier.

1579
01:35:55.619 --> 01:35:56.520
No, they're realties.

1580
01:35:56.579 --> 01:35:57.720
He just found out they've been cancelled.

1581
01:35:57.779 --> 01:36:00.300
You know, he's out of work next week, you know?

1582
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:01.260
might have known.

1583
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:07.920
Apparently they were all appalled, weren't they, when that script came in for the last episode.

1584
01:36:07.979 --> 01:36:09.779
Yeah, yeah. called it an insult.

1585
01:36:09.899 --> 01:36:10.859
Yeah.

1586
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:15.060
Like you said, they should have been more worried about the last 4 years worth of scripts.

1587
01:36:18.659 --> 01:36:33.539
Oh, I don't really know what else to say about Demons and Terra Prime, beyond the fact that it is a competent story, it uses everybody pretty well, apart from flocks maybe.

1588
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.720
It's reasonably well executed.

1589
01:36:36.779 --> 01:36:40.319
It's probably where Enterprise should have begun rather than ended.

1590
01:36:40.380 --> 01:36:41.220
Yeah.

1591
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:52.140
Yeah, I think, and it's about, it's about the values that underpin Star Trek and, um, you know, presents a future where those need to be fought for.

1592
01:36:52.199 --> 01:37:02.039
I think that's worth doing and a good place to end on, I guess, given that that's not what they would have had planned, I suppose.

1593
01:37:02.100 --> 01:37:06.840
I suppose the sentiment I would like to end this on. is there's nothing to be embarrassed by here.

1594
01:37:06.899 --> 01:37:11.220
No, well, mostly nothing in Star Trek.

1595
01:37:12.899 --> 01:37:21.060
But perhaps like the one bigger mission that we both said is it isn't really silly or funny.

1596
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:21.779
It's not much fun.

1597
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.239
No, but still watchable.

1598
01:37:30.300 --> 01:37:37.380
All right, it's time for us to work out what we're going to watch next, and Joe, it's your turn on the randomiser.

1599
01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:39.060
So tell us what we're choosing.

1600
01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:44.460
I've decided we've watched too many important episodes of Star Trek lately.

1601
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:45.779
We've watched The Visitor.

1602
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:51.600
You know, we've watched In the Power Moonlight, we've watched all good things, generations.

1603
01:37:51.659 --> 01:37:54.420
Yeah, this is technically the finale of Enterprise.

1604
01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:57.779
So I'm going to keep rolling till I get something truly middle of the road.

1605
01:37:57.840 --> 01:37:58.260
Trivial.

1606
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:00.000
Yes, nothing.

1607
01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.039
Meat and potatoes trick, you know?

1608
01:38:02.100 --> 01:38:02.699
All right.

1609
01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:03.180
Okay.

1610
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:04.739
All right, go for it now.

1611
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:07.020
Uh, okay.

1612
01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:08.640
Oh, no, this is really goody.

1613
01:38:08.699 --> 01:38:10.319
Actually, sorry, we're not having this.

1614
01:38:10.380 --> 01:38:13.319
Your random Star Trek Next Generation episode is 1st contact.

1615
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.239
Season four, episode 15.

1616
01:38:15.539 --> 01:38:16.920
It is really good.

1617
01:38:16.979 --> 01:38:18.539
It's really fun.

1618
01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:19.380
Okay.

1619
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:24.720
Uh, Your random Star Trek Nation Nation episode is future imperfect.

1620
01:38:24.779 --> 01:38:26.579
No, that's too good as well.

1621
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:27.840
I don't think that's that good.

1622
01:38:27.899 --> 01:38:29.159
That's all right.

1623
01:38:29.220 --> 01:38:31.020
That's that's middle, middle of the road.

1624
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:32.640
That's meat and potatoes I think.

1625
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:33.899
Are you mad?

1626
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:34.859
Oh, okay.

1627
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:36.600
I've already pressed that. so sorry.

1628
01:38:37.020 --> 01:38:42.300
Your random Star Trek original series episode is Operation Annihilate.

1629
01:38:42.420 --> 01:38:46.199
Ooh, okay, I'm sure that's terrible, but I can't remember.

1630
01:38:46.260 --> 01:38:46.920
Right.

1631
01:38:46.979 --> 01:38:48.000
I have seen it.

1632
01:38:48.060 --> 01:38:51.180
Season one, episode 29.

1633
01:38:51.420 --> 01:38:52.680
Is that the finale?

1634
01:38:52.739 --> 01:38:55.260
No, no, they didn't have finale.

1635
01:38:55.319 --> 01:38:57.539
You can barely tell when one season begins or ends.

1636
01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.520
It's just another episode that comes along.

1637
01:38:59.579 --> 01:39:02.279
I think that might be a bit good actually.

1638
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.079
I'm gonna press it one more time.

1639
01:39:04.140 --> 01:39:06.420
Oh, it's a Voyager episode.

1640
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:07.859
Oh, yeah, this is perfect.

1641
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.720
This is absolutely perfect.

1642
01:39:09.779 --> 01:39:10.739
All right.

1643
01:39:10.800 --> 01:39:18.000
A miserable season 3 episode of Star Wars, season three, episode 18, Darkling.

1644
01:39:18.060 --> 01:39:20.699
Oh, I can't even remember what that is.

1645
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:28.380
Massively cab episode. where the doctor has like a Frankenstein transformation and he's evil.

1646
01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:31.619
Kidnaps cares, takes her over a ravine.

1647
01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:33.659
That sounds great.

1648
01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:35.640
That sounds too good to watch.

1649
01:39:35.699 --> 01:39:37.920
All right. that's awesome Let's do that.

1650
01:39:37.979 --> 01:39:40.920
It's abysmally terrible but great fun.

1651
01:39:42.899 --> 01:39:44.880
Oh, let's do it.

1652
01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:59.159
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1653
01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:04.800
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1654
01:40:04.859 --> 01:40:10.319
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1655
01:40:10.380 --> 01:40:15.960
This episode was recorded on the 10th of January 2023 and released on the 13th of January.

1656
01:40:16.020 --> 01:40:19.800
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Darkly.

1657
01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.000
Okay, I'm talking, and that's working.

1658
01:40:39.060 --> 01:40:39.779
Say something.

1659
01:40:40.739 --> 01:40:42.239
Hello.

1660
01:40:42.300 --> 01:40:43.500
Hello, hello.

1661
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:44.819
Okay, that's brilliant.

1662
01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:46.380
It's been a long road.

1663
01:40:46.500 --> 01:40:48.960
Getting from out of here.

1664
01:40:49.020 --> 01:40:52.739
It's a long time.

1665
01:40:53.100 --> 01:40:57.539
Now, my time is finally, it's finally here.

1666
01:40:57.779 --> 01:41:00.239
And I can see, what's the next bit?

1667
01:41:00.300 --> 01:41:02.760
See my dreams come alive at last.

1668
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:05.159
I will touch the sky.

1669
01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:06.600
I can touch the sky.

1670
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:11.460
And I'm not gonna...

1671
01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:15.000
I'm not gonna change my mind.

1672
01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:20.880
Because I've got things. of the heart. of the heart.

1673
01:41:20.939 --> 01:41:22.020
It so great.

1674
01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:23.100
I sing it.

1675
01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:23.579
I do.

1676
01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:26.819
I like absolutely sing it when it's on.

1677
01:41:27.060 --> 01:41:30.359
Nathan, you know that's got to be the tag now, right?

1678
01:41:30.420 --> 01:41:31.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1679
01:41:31.859 --> 01:41:34.140
It's the...

1680
01:41:34.140 --> 01:41:37.199
It's the...

1681
01:41:37.260 --> 01:41:38.279
It had to happen at some point.

1682
01:41:40.619 --> 01:41:42.239
I've got...

1683
01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:44.819
That's a very oil lover.

1684
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:48.659
It's just, it couldn't get any chooses.

1685
01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:49.560
It's so bad.

1686
01:41:49.619 --> 01:41:51.180
And they peep it up.

1687
01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:53.399
They do what they do in deep say sign, don't they?

1688
01:41:53.460 --> 01:41:54.720
They peep it up for series three.

1689
01:41:54.779 --> 01:41:58.500
They kind of go, actually, there's this needs to be even more exciting.

1690
01:42:04.020 --> 01:42:06.420
So, so cheesy.

1691
01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:16.619
I did love the original music when they when they launched Space Station Archer or whatever it was in Discovery.

1692
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.659
Well, yeah, you can rip it now.

1693
01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:20.699
I mean, that's that's...

1694
01:42:20.699 --> 01:42:27.479
That thing.

1695
01:42:27.539 --> 01:42:28.680
At the end.

1696
01:42:28.739 --> 01:42:31.560
Even that's, even that's, that's an illeration.

1697
01:42:31.739 --> 01:42:38.819
I've I've watched 2 episodes of prodigy yesterday and like my eyes start to prickle at the music.

1698
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.520
I just think the music is so fucking great.

1699
01:42:41.579 --> 01:42:46.260
Like just astonishingly great for like a kid's cartoon.

1700
01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:47.460
It's so good.

1701
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:49.380
And yeah, do you know what?

1702
01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:50.460
Jay Chataway.

1703
01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:53.819
This was his last score, the Star Trek. this episode.

1704
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:56.159
Oh, the music was so dreary in this.

1705
01:42:56.220 --> 01:42:57.359
I was like, Jay, come on.

1706
01:42:57.420 --> 01:43:13.500
Did you see the, like, there's all this stuff on memory alpha, like he, he, he created a drawing of the enterprise out of riffs from the score that he'd written, like, and he, he gave copies to everyone and stuff, like it was like this thing.

1707
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:18.539
It looked like it's the, you know, the NX one shape but made out of musical notation.

1708
01:43:19.619 --> 01:43:23.579
I think that, actually, no, I'm going to say this in the episode.

1709
01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:25.619
It's worth saying in the episode.

1710
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:28.020
Okay.

1711
01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:31.020
Shall we do it?

1712
01:43:31.380 --> 01:43:34.439
No, wait, I don't know whether I've heard the demons.

1713
01:43:34.500 --> 01:43:35.220
This isn't demons.

1714
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:36.239
This is Terra Prime.

1715
01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:38.039
Yeah, this is demons.

1716
01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:38.760
Episode 20.

1717
01:43:39.300 --> 01:43:40.800
Okay.

1718
01:43:40.859 --> 01:43:51.359
It's actually quite nice for ones to be, to have a, you know, and yeah, it's actually quite nice because there are a lot of positives in it, whilst I don't think it's...

1719
01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:52.079
It's a lot of bread.

1720
01:43:52.140 --> 01:43:52.920
Not bad.

1721
01:43:52.979 --> 01:43:54.479
It didn't, yeah.

1722
01:43:54.539 --> 01:43:55.739
Not as good as.

1723
01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:57.899
If it started here, yeah, yeah.

1724
01:43:57.899 --> 01:43:58.859
It's not as good as well.

1725
01:43:58.859 --> 01:44:00.960
There's a night in Sick Bay, but it is pretty good.

1726
01:44:04.020 --> 01:44:09.239
The most entertaining episode of Enterprise I've ever watched.

1727
01:44:09.300 --> 01:44:11.220
It's got a puppet dog.

1728
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:14.520
Are you feeling are you sexually frustrated?

1729
01:44:14.579 --> 01:44:17.100
It's got it's got Archer.

1730
01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:18.359
Yeah, true.

1731
01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:20.460
Flocks catching a bat.

1732
01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:22.619
This doesn't have enough flocks in it.

1733
01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:23.399
It's too serious.

1734
01:44:23.460 --> 01:44:26.760
No, I, that was, that, I thought that was a bit of an amazing.

1735
01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:27.840
That's why.

1736
01:44:27.899 --> 01:44:29.880
That's why it's so boring because he's not enough.

1737
01:44:32.939 --> 01:44:33.539
Right.

1738
01:44:34.140 --> 01:44:37.979
Hey, Joe. Why?