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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're watching an episode of Lower Decks, which we haven't touched for a little while, and it is, what, series 2, episode something?

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I don't even know, actually, series 2 though.

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And it is called Mugato Gumato.

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Do you know why?

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I'm glad you've said that because I know the joke's on me when I can't pronounce the title of this episode.

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I think it's got something to do with the fact that in the original series episode that these creatures appeared in. nobody could pronounce the name of them properly.

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Well, I think it was D. I think it was De Forrest Kelly, who couldn't pronounce, who couldn't pronounce the name.

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I think it was originally Gumato, and he kept saying Mugato, so they just changed it and decided that's how it was pronounced.

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But he also comes out with Mugatu as well at some point.

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So he really, to say, I did watch that.

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That's called a private little war.

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That's from series 2.

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It's really terrible.

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It looks quite promising for a bit.

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And of course, the Megato's, there's just one, and it appears at the beginning and at the end, and it's just a guy in a white gorilla suit with kind of horns and stuff like that.

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So it's a pretty low effort.

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Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

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And it bites...

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This isn't like a, this isn't like a William Shatner's sort of sabotage.

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No, no, no, no, situation.

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This isn't Shatna's fault.

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This is just a stupid space name that De Forrest Kelly can't say properly.

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Couldn't pronounce.

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And it's not that hard.

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And so they hang a hat on that really quite early on.

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I mean, I mean, it's not above Kurtzman tricks.

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I look over their shoulder at the original series and see someone mispronouncing somebody, saying, well, we'll do an entire episode about that, should we?

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Yeah, and I mean, it isn't quite that.

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So it's what have we got?

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We've got an A-plot, which is that Rutherford and Boemler think that Mariner is a like a special Black Ops.

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Yeah, Starfleet intelligence agent.

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And then the B plot is Tandy has to do a job for Tana, which is to go around and scan everyone who's reluctant to be scanned.

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That reminded me so much of those old DS9 subplots in like series 2 and 3 that don't think about anything but are so kind of amiable.

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They're just they're not the best part of the episode sometimes.

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That was wonderful.

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It's a little bit unusual to kind of hive Tandy off onto her B plot because often it's Boimler and Mariner and Tandy and Rutherford who work really well together.

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And so this is sort of kind of fun.

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And it is very cartoony.

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Like they're both really lied and they all happen in the context of this, the Ferengia sort of cutting horns off the mugatos or sometimes gumatos and then selling them to people and they have to be persuaded to stop doing that.

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And then there's another sort of alien plot as well.

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Well, I had like a one overriding 4 as I was watching this.

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And that is.

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I wasn't sure how you were going to fall with this because I know, obviously, the last outpost for own gear are agonisingly terrible.

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So that they're in here.

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And then you've also, and you've got a bit of an issue with, you know, Starfleet, you know, secret ops, you know, section 31 style of things.

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And that's in era as well.

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And I thought to myself, this is curse and cherry picking, all the things Nathan don't like, and making them palatable.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I mean, you know, the black ops thing ends up not being true and they do mention a couple of incidents like Tuvok get to mention being in Starfleet intelligence and pretending to be on the ship and being somewhere else.

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Wonderful moment where she just suddenly like the camera zooms in on mariner's eyes, looking at sinister.

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The lighting goes really harsh, and it reminds me of a scene in season 5 of DS9, but sure, it was a changeling, is going up in a turbo lift, looking all evil and sinister, and then steps out of the turbo lift.

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Oh, I've just brought you some sandwiches. you know, like.

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No, I mean, we talked about this before.

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I love how this show takes the cliches of Star Trek, you know, the absurd cliches of Star Trek and spins it into something really, really fun.

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And I do think they did this here.

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I thought for lower decks.

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This was a, it was fun and I enjoyed it, and I want to say that straight away.

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And I think there's no lower decks episode I'm not going to enjoy just because I think it is, it's trying to be funny and it is funny.

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But this felt a little bit more middle of the road compared to some of the ones we've watched before and a little bit more relaxed.

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Whereas the ones we've watched before would be like relentless gags hitting you one after another until you submit.

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Whereas this felt like a, this almost felt like a 90s Star Trek episode, you know, it was quite nicely paced, some nice character moments, an A, a BSC plot.

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And it's mid-season.

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So yeah, you know, they are going to do episodes that aren't always, you know, big hitters.

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It was really, really fun.

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I just.

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It wasn't as...

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What am I trying to say?

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It doesn't have a big idea the way that some of them do.

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There's some of them that kind of edge their way into actually being kind of like proper Star Trek episodes in that they have a big idea and you think this would have worked in one of the other shows.

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And this one doesn't quite do that.

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It is structured like a comedy cartoon, which is what it is.

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And I think that lower decks does alternate between those modes.

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And so even in the most recent season, which I don't think you've seen any of.

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There are some really, really weird high concept ones, like mathematically perfect redemption, for instance, which is an incredible episode about peanut hamper, the 1st exocomp to join Starfleet.

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And that's really, really strange and different from anything you've ever seen.

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And then there's just sort of, you know, run of the mill episodes where there's an A plot and a B plot and everyone's being silly and having fun.

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I think, like, the 2 that we've done so far, one was the, you know, outrageous sex comedy where everyone was fucking, and they just threw every gag you can about the naked now, the naked time and all of that.

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And the other one we did was the one where Boyman had a girlfriend and they were going through every single Star Trek cliche.

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So those episodes were like furiously funny.

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This felt gently mocking.

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Which is also quite nice.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I hadn't really realised that connection, but the Cupid's errant arrow is the one that just burns through all of those different plots. absolutely inspired.

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And then so does the other one whose name I can't remember, but the other one where the person comes on board and sets up those little holodecks and everyone is sort of replaying plots and things from previous episodes.

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So they're very, very centred on making fun of a huge amount of Star Trek.

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Whereas this is a little bit more business as usual.

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And so, you know, all the Star Trek elements are mocked, but there aren't quite as many of them perhaps.

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And some of the humour was a little bit overt times as well. like Monach gets, you know, oh, you're the last outpost for Engi.

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Have you never heard of cork?

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And I'm like, yeah, it's funny, but that's very blatant.

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You might as well just look straight out of the camera at the audience, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The sort of the conclusion I'm going to with Lower Decks is, is obviously, was it, 13, 10, 13 episodes per season?

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They're 20 minute, 25 minute episodes, so they're never around long enough to annoy you.

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They're super confident with their characters.

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They've got some genuinely funny writers in there.

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This show is always good.

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And if this is a kind of a lacking episode of Lower Decks.

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Well, that's still good.

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Yeah, I'm I watch the hell out of it.

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It's the Star Trek.

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I think that I watch most and I think the running time is a big selling point for me and just my familiarity with it and I love those characters and because they're cartoon characters who behave in this sort of exaggerated way.

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I think they're really terribly fun.

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But I like all 4 of the lower deckers.

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Oh, now feel like in all the live action Star Trek, you know, that everyone's talking a bit too slow, you know, everyone talks super paced in comedy in costumes.

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They're all talking really fast and it's all that sort of quickfire buffy dialogue going on.

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No, no, go and watch a DS9.

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I feel like everyone's in half speed, you know?

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That's it.

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Maybe that's what we do.

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We'll just turn up all of the other episodes to twice speed and comment on them that way.

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This PS5 episode is particularly pacy.

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There's reason for that.

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It's right.

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We could do Star Trek the Motion Picture under those conditions. would be excellent.

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Imagine.

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If you if you doubled the speed of some of those Nightrex episode, it would be like the camera work in Nightrek episode.

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Yeah, zooming about them.

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No, it'd still be more stayed than it.

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All right.

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I think we should go in.

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What do you reckon?

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I think so too.

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Let's do it.

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I love talking lower decks.

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Okay, I'll count a scene.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Here we go.

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Oh, I've just had a warning that there's sexual content and violence in this episode.

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Yeah, there isn't that much.

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Oh, yeah, there is actually.

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I've just thought about it.

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All right, so we're in the gym.

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Oh, God, we're playing Ambo Jetsu.

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Oh, yes.

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So this is incredibly violent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that's from the Pegasus, isn't it?

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Like Riker and his father, not the Pegasus.

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I can remember what that's called.

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It's a season 2 episode where Pulaski's banging Riker's dad.

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Well, has banged Riker's dad.

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And it's really like, this is brilliant.

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And the animation makes it look like a genuine martial art, but in the TNG episode, they were in this dreadful plastic armour.

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It's embarrassing.

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Well, isn't it, it's like Riker and his father playing ambo jitsu to kind of resolve some issue. each other up to get out of their emotional issues out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Troy's a poll.

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She's like, why can't you just sit down and talk instead of, you know, fighting?

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But look, she's just absolutely and look poemless vomiting and stuff.

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Now I just think this is adorable.

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And this, not this bit because she's, this, look at Shacks.

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He wanders in.

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He's got a little crop top, he's ready to do some working out, and I just think he's ridiculously hot.

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He's a dill.

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He's really hot, is he?

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I love the fact that...

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Oh, just let me know when you're done.

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Yeah, yeah, she's just...

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She's there.

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A pair of them.

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Yeah, that's right.

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It's the security officer and the vomit.

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I was getting like rick and mortivibes from that.

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Yeah, well, this is my good man.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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He's been involved in Rick and Morty.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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May I say, this is the title sequence.

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I never fast forward.

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Only for the of the aliens sucking on the arse of the Cerritos, which is my favourite bit.

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So you can tell that it's series 2 because we have the pack leads and the Borg and the Romulans there. and it just goes actually, no, we're going to fuck off.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then we get some silicon avatars in the series 3 opening titles because of course we do.

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What's so great about this?

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Well, do you know what?

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I've been in a few uncompromising positions like this where I've had to look to the side of that.

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I've been sucking on someone's arse.

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So, you know, like, yeah, yeah, no, it's relatable.

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But it's great because the ship goes across very stately and you think, oh, this is a lovely shot.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So here we have, so we're on the planet, which I don't know what it is.

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And these are denobulins, and I hadn't realised this, and I don't think I've seen Dr. Fox do this face thing before.

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Yeah, he gets it quite early on in Enterprise.

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This is the 1st appearance of Nobulance since Enterprise.

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Since Enterprise.

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Yeah, which I think is lovely.

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No, they've got a cherry pick.

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They should cherry pick everything.

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Oh yeah, no, I agree.

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I think they should absolutely be.

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Nathan, look at this, sitting around the conference table looking at that non-reflective wall bit.

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I mean, this has given me some serious 90s vibes here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The thing on the wall behind Freeman looks exactly like the one from series 5, 6, and 7 of, you know, Star Trek the Next Generation.

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What's the security officer's name?

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Um, Shacks.

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Kira. in the DS9 episode.

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They're like busy mates, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're all they're trying to outdo each other on who owes who a life-saving rescue because they rescued one another constantly during the occupation.

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Which spaceboard game are they playing here?

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Kaoto?

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No, they're playing a game where they have to compromise.

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Their goal is to get a compromise happening.

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So it's a super boring card game where they have to learn how to compromise.

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And of course, these are the skills that they're going to bring to the table at the end, which solve the episode.

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And so she's really great at violence in a crackhand, sort of, you know, beating the crap out of them, and they're playing a card, a very gentle board game where they're, you know, compromising and talking tax and stuff.

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Who's just fellow behind the bars, spreading gossip about everybody.

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Yeah, so he is a bar guy.

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I can't remember his name. his honus, I think.

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And I can't remember if he's been in it before, but we get another scene as well with him at the end, obviously bookending it, which is pretty great.

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I love this where they go up onto people's faces and do the dramatic light when they're saying something very menacing.

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It's, I don't know if you ever watched Alias.

219
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Did you ever watch that No, I never watched aliens.

220
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Seriously, this character called...

221
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Yeah, this character, Francine, and she's doing it again.

222
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She's killed and replaced by a duplicate and she's like lovely in a scene.

223
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And at the end of the scene, the camera swings round on her because she's a duplicate and she's got that lighting on her face looking really evil.

224
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Yeah, that's great.

225
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And that, look, now she's in a, she's in a light as well.

226
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It did make me think, you know, when someone drops a bit of information like this.

227
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You never realised about this person.

228
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Then you suddenly start looking and you see it, you know?

229
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Yeah.

230
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Yeah.

231
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So his exposition has been rudely interrupted by Billups, the ship's engineer who wants a daiquiri, I think, or something.

232
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That looks like a great bar, you know, much nicer than temple words.

233
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I know.

234
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

235
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I like the bar on discovery, I think.

236
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Oh, and on, and the one on, um, Strangely Worlds. they both look magnificent Quarks will always be my favourite though.

237
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Yeah, yeah.

238
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Well, it's a franchise now.

239
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It's cool.

240
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Oh, I just like a door... subplot.

241
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Although I happen to go around getting everyone to do their medical.

242
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Because this is a bit of a thing on his trek.

243
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You haven't been for your medical yet, you know?

244
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And I mean, Tendi is so adorable.

245
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She's so lovely.

246
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And so this is Dr. Tana trying to get her to be more assertive.

247
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And so, um, she has to chase up everyone who refuses.

248
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But then the fact that the last person on the list is bloody Dr. Tiana is out.

249
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Yeah, it's so great.

250
00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:10.860
So here we've been reading about these...

251
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So this is the bit, this is the bit about the pronunciation of the name.

252
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So he's been reading up.

253
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Boem has been reading up about them and discovers that they're both Gumato's, Megatos, and Mugatos as well.

254
00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:29.879
Now I explicitly referencing Paul De Forrest Kelly.

255
00:16:29.940 --> 00:16:32.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

256
00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:33.240
Yep, exactly.

257
00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:39.419
Sorry, just to say what I was going to say there, the bit where she chased her around the ship.

258
00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:45.419
The thing that made me laugh most about this episode was she just kept going, the cat every time.

259
00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.279
It's so great.

260
00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.620
She's so terrific.

261
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I was like, wow.

262
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And another reference.

263
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Good.

264
00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:58.080
Yeah, well, there's another reference to her fucking shacks as well, or 2 of them are on together.

265
00:16:58.139 --> 00:17:01.799
Oh, yeah, it wasn't just a very flirtatious line, doesn't she?

266
00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:02.039
Yeah.

267
00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:03.960
Come to my quarters later, Nathan.

268
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You can scratch your back.

269
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So, see, I haven't watched a lot of these.

270
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So do we spend a lot of time with the bridge crew in series 2 and series three?

271
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Well, I mean, the bridge crew, I mean, it focusses on those four, but the bridge crew are in the opening credits and you've got, what have you got?

272
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You've got Freeman Ransom, Taana, and Shacks basically are the main ones, aren't they?

273
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Have I forgotten anyone?

274
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I was just like in the 1st place.

275
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I just remember like they obviously they were always cutting away from the action and we were just hanging out with them, you know, behind the scenes, which I thought was the joke.

276
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But I think what inadvertently happened is, is they created fantastic bridge crew characters. we want to be with these people as well.

277
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Yeah, yeah.

278
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And they are really good. they're awesome.

279
00:17:53.220 --> 00:18:03.839
They should have gone all out with this planetary landscape, you know, and gone full the last outpost and just had some dreadful, you know, looking like an old studio, but there's far too much depth to it, you know?

280
00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:05.160
Yeah.

281
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So Shax is tracking the Megato by tasting its dung much to everyone.

282
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Of course.

283
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Oh, look at these 48 because he's...

284
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Do you know what they would have made?

285
00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:17.940
Why did they ever get rid of those?

286
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electric whips. amazing.

287
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Whips.

288
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Is this the 1st time we've seen them with whips since the last outpost?

289
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Yeah there's a reason for that.

290
00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:27.480
It didn't work, did it?

291
00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:30.059
They were supposed to be the big bad of the trek universe.

292
00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

293
00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:37.200
And then they went, oh, so we go back to the drawing board and we'll create the ball.

294
00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.799
Yeah, who are slightly better, aren't they, really?

295
00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:43.259
Well, as big bads anyway.

296
00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:44.700
They're much better.

297
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Yeah.

298
00:18:48.660 --> 00:18:50.940
Look, I'm all just running in.

299
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Yeah, yeah.

300
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So, So, oh, here we go.

301
00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:13.680
So we kind of primed, I mean, I think this is kind of cute in a way, because there are 2 there are 2 Megatos in a very private little war, and they both get killed.

302
00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:18.420
They both get phased to death by Kirk, I think, both times, actually.

303
00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.019
And, you know, they're just sort of threatening and stuff.

304
00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:37.740
And so having them sympathetic, because they're now endangered, and we kind of care about them and they're being poached, because they're covered in horns and stuff, I think that's sort of delightful, and we do get lots of fabulous comedy with the Megatas in here, I think.

305
00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:41.099
Wow, it's kind of like that. like you were saying before about the corn, wasn't it?

306
00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:46.859
like they took the corn, which was absolutely ridiculous. and made it absolutely terrifying.

307
00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.000
Yeah.

308
00:19:48.059 --> 00:20:00.000
So we had that sort of terrifying shot where it looks like Mariner is stabbing shacks and then she turns to look at them and she's got blood dripping out of her mouth and it's because the Megatos are poisonous.

309
00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:07.980
And in fact, Kirk gets poisoned by one in that Star Trek episode and she's just sucking the poison out.

310
00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:08.880
We'll discover later.

311
00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:11.640
It's got a pair of furry. scholarship.

312
00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:12.599
Yeah, yeah.

313
00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:15.299
Glowing fairy dice. space fairy nice.

314
00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.059
So this is another plot.

315
00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:31.980
The guy who was buying the horns is now is now trying to pull a con on the on the crew and successfully does that just about by... characters.

316
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It happened every now and again, and not it's track, and there were always a lot of fun.

317
00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:37.200
Do you remember the fella from in the Power Moonlight?

318
00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:39.779
Okay, one or 2 arrives?

319
00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:43.140
Oh, yeah, girls, you know, he's that sort of character, isn't he?

320
00:20:43.259 --> 00:20:45.720
Well, that's...

321
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.279
When they're trying to disarm the bomb.

322
00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:51.000
It's starship down and he's and he's pretending he's not a criminal.

323
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It says how he is all along.

324
00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:54.599
Oh no.

325
00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:56.099
Is this the bit where they're fucking?

326
00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.200
Because I'll tell you what, I had to turn away at that point.

327
00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:01.380
It's so funny.

328
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.700
So that is coming up.

329
00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.000
So the Megato's, what's happened?

330
00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:08.940
Oh, no, no, this is where they come across Steve Irwin or something.

331
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.119
So this seems to be a sort of guest star.

332
00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:13.980
Was he Australian?

333
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His name.

334
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.539
Is it explicit?

335
00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.220
I think he's got an English accent.

336
00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.079
It's a bad Australia accent.

337
00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.980
So he's what, he must be a Tellerite, right?

338
00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.319
And his name's Patingi.

339
00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:31.140
I think he must be, I think he must be English. anyway, but he gets killed, much like Steve Irwin.

340
00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.799
It's a whole thing.

341
00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:39.359
So he says that he's got 5 books on the Megatos, but then it turns out that he's just read 5 books on the Megatos rather than written them.

342
00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:53.339
Okay, so this is Lieutenant Stevens, who is weirdly in love with ransom in a couple of episodes, like he's idolises ransom and he's sort of super pathetic.

343
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.380
He's a bit of a beater, that guy.

344
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.160
What makes all these characters so likeable in it?

345
00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.440
There's kind of an innocence about them all, isn't there?

346
00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:01.920
Yeah.

347
00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.380
It's like a childlike innocence about them all.

348
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.559
And that's a cartoon character thing, isn't it?

349
00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:10.920
They have a child...

350
00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:11.759
Rick and Morty.

351
00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:16.500
I think I don't think anyone's that innocent in that, but I don't know, these are people that are lovely.

352
00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:18.299
Oh, gosh.

353
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:19.740
Super violent, isn't it?

354
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.539
So they hide away.

355
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.000
And then these 2 McGasso's?

356
00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:24.599
that how you say it?

357
00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:26.880
Yeah, yeah, Magutu.

358
00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:29.339
They start having incredible sex.

359
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.819
And then another one comes along.

360
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:33.839
You think he's going to join in?

361
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:35.160
He starts having a wank.

362
00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.440
I was like, that's terrific.

363
00:22:37.859 --> 00:22:42.180
I just kept thinking, please don't walk in at this point to my raw.

364
00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:45.180
That's why not?

365
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:46.680
That's really funny, that bit.

366
00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:48.960
Okay, that's about to happen now, isn't it?

367
00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:57.000
So they're doing a little bit of conversation about having to out Mariner as a black ops security person.

368
00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:57.599
Here you go.

369
00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:59.039
Here are 2 Magados.

370
00:22:59.099 --> 00:23:00.059
They're about to have sex.

371
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:06.720
And so they hide in a hollow log and that's where what the Mogados decide to have sex on. he's taking her from behind.

372
00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:08.519
Like, it's a whole...

373
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.220
It's so grim. really very animated.

374
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.200
Oh, it's safe, though.

375
00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:17.160
You know, in like nature documentaries when they show you this stuff and I'm like, I want to see that.

376
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.259
She's really into it.

377
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.259
Like, she's lying back there with a big smile on her face.

378
00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:23.940
Like, she's...

379
00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:24.779
Jesus Christ.

380
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:33.660
But then, so the, that's the thing, then another Megado comes along and they just assume that he's going to try and steal the other one's mate.

381
00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:38.160
And then look at the look at the expression that this guy gives.

382
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:41.579
He scratches his head and then he just goes, off you go.

383
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.140
Like, he gives you a little off you go, hands and go, and he's rubbing his horn.

384
00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:47.640
Robbing his torn.

385
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.240
God's so...

386
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.859
Oh, so ridiculous.

387
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.559
I think we always end up watching sex on these cartoons, you know.

388
00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:56.700
Yeah.

389
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:04.920
Oh, look, there's pretty Jet, who has presumably, oh, no, he's been caught and Kayshon has just punched him in the face.

390
00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:06.299
So there you go.

391
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:07.440
She's got another one.

392
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:09.000
Yeah, this is it.

393
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:15.119
It's just these tiny little vignettes of her popping in to everybody's lives and doing this medical.

394
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.640
It's just never around long enough to be annoying, is it?

395
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:18.839
It's so cute, this one.

396
00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:22.079
Oh, well, she's done, she's done Counsellor Maglimo.

397
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:40.740
I noticed his name on the, on the, on the list, and he's the bird, you know, who's the ship's counsellor, who isn't in this episode because his actor is playing the alien who has had his ship blown up. booby trap then.

398
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.779
They are a couple episodes.

399
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.319
Yeah.

400
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:44.400
Yep.

401
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.140
It's quite a good boob trap.

402
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.759
It's like a bear trap, isn't it?

403
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:49.140
Only a space bear trap.

404
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.480
She's absolutely appalled, isn't she?

405
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:53.460
When they're like, we're for a secret spy.

406
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.779
Why?

407
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.759
Because I just happened to catch something one day.

408
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.559
Yeah, yeah.

409
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:07.680
No, they're both being idiots and it is a cartoon, so it's kind of forgivable, but in a way, they're a bit beyond this, I think, you know.

410
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.259
And I think...

411
00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.000
I've got to fill the episodes up with something, okay?

412
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:13.440
Well, that's right.

413
00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:34.319
And I think the thing that's kind of really adorable is that Mariner is so cool and those guys are such dogs and that's why they believe that she's a secret agent because why would someone as cool as her want to be friends with them when they're such dogs. the way that that resolves itself at the end is beautiful, I think.

414
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:42.779
Well, I might, I'll say this story about the comedy in this episode, yeah, and this subplot, they might be behaving like idiots to believe all of this, yeah.

415
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:49.799
But the last 2 comedies that we saw were data in generations, and Mrs. Troy and Manhunt.

416
00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:51.839
And I'll take this over that any day of the week.

417
00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:53.160
Oh, no.

418
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:57.599
I mean, this this goes to show that comedy does work in a Star Trek context, and I think...

419
00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:58.619
The whole show does, doesn't it?

420
00:25:58.740 --> 00:25:59.759
Yeah, yeah.

421
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:00.660
Oh, absolutely.

422
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.099
And it's a good place for comedy.

423
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:07.920
And I think, you know, trouble with tribble shows that it works and I think it works on Deep Space 9 and stuff as well.

424
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:14.640
The thing that you always say about Star Trek is, you know, it's like whenever they take it too seriously, we were CGVR 558 and things like that.

425
00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:17.160
And you're like, no, this show's absurd.

426
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.660
Like, stop taking it so seriously.

427
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:23.940
Is this custom bill for you, this, to lean into all the absurdities of the Star Trek.

428
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.220
Oh, I love that hall on that Ferenki's hit.

429
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.380
He's got a massive ball on his head.

430
00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.079
So he's called kink.

431
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.539
Just to prove that he's in charge, you know?

432
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:34.500
Yeah.

433
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.319
But there's not really an environmental.

434
00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:41.220
I'm wondering if they were going to go down that route with this episode, you know, and sort of...

435
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.180
Well, it is a little bit because they...

436
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:53.519
Yeah, well, we know that they're villains because they're they're hunting and like they rip the baby Megato out of the mother's arms and stuff.

437
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:55.200
Like, they're really properly horrible.

438
00:26:55.259 --> 00:27:01.859
But then they discover it's more profitable to, you know, run it as a tourist business and look after the Magata.

439
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:03.299
Isn't that sort of very sweet, I think.

440
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:09.720
I get why they kind of go down that route, but we did a so much salvation of the Ferengi in DS9.

441
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.720
Like they're not always portrayed like this in low decks, are they?

442
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:14.819
No, no, no.

443
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:22.319
And she has a Ferengi friend in an episode who, you know, she's, um, she tricks Boimla with and stuff like that.

444
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.319
Like it's a, yeah, they're not They're not always like this.

445
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.279
It's an obviously scientist friend that Beverly Crusher had into suspicions.

446
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:33.059
Oh, he's very straight.

447
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.720
It's becoming a habit of us discussing suspicions, you know?

448
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:37.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

449
00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:38.759
We should do it.

450
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:40.380
We should just go away.

451
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.640
Bad doctor.

452
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.319
Bad Dr. Talana.

453
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.619
She's cowsing around the ship.

454
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.599
Miaowing like a madman.

455
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:50.940
It's so brilliant.

456
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.299
And to think that they just didn't invent Dr. Tahana.

457
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.039
They said, oh, we can have a cat alien.

458
00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:58.559
It's kind of like, no, we have cat aliens in Star Trek.

459
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:01.500
We'll just have one of those and she's going to be the doctor and she's so good.

460
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.839
And you know what I love as well?

461
00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:10.559
It's the fact that they make this massive show about chasing it all around the ship. when she does it, she just scans her and she goes, oh, it weren't as bad as a fool.

462
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.000
That's nice, but it's only when she breaks her arm.

463
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:24.900
Like she, like she, she breaks her own arm deliberately and it's super horrible and then she goes, oh yeah, no. the fact that she just goes off...

464
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.720
That was a bit of an overreaction, wasn't it?

465
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.059
What are these weird, slimy aliens?

466
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.240
Yeah, there's just one of him.

467
00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:43.200
I don't know what he is. you know, we can't really do anything on the bow Moscow, you know, because they're all realised really well.

468
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:47.460
Yeah, they all look pretty good, I think. some of them look amazing.

469
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.119
Yeah, I do like the occasional Beaumari-ish alien.

470
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

471
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:58.019
So this, so the 2 boys, they, she's encouraged them.

472
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.900
She's told them she's not black ops.

473
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:07.980
She said that they have to be the heroes now. and so they go off and do it and they do it in the same way as their stupid board game.

474
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:08.519
Here we go.

475
00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:12.720
This is a tendee about to scan in the in the Jefferson.

476
00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:15.599
That's funny, though, is that there are 3 plots here.

477
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:20.220
Her being a spy, the Franklin and the planet, and her doing all of the medicals.

478
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.440
They're not really tied up thematically, are they?

479
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.480
No, no, no.

480
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:28.140
But they, yeah, and in fact, the tandy plot has nothing at all.

481
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.180
Well, I guess, I don't know.

482
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.079
No, not really.

483
00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:33.240
But it feels very long, she's true.

484
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.319
A way of talking together.

485
00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:36.119
Because that's what they're doing here.

486
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:43.259
But like, usually, one of my joys with Kurtzman Shrek is how, you know, you will tie it all together intellectually, thematically.

487
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.259
And as I was watching it, I was going, well, good luck.

488
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.599
Yeah, there's nothing here.

489
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:58.980
And I mean, they get the, they get the, um, alien who is involved in the blowing up his own ship plot to have just been here and bought some horns or whatever.

490
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.680
But basically that plots distinct from this as well.

491
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:18.000
Yeah, and they bring out the big gun and the big gun just shows a 3D Kurtzman style PowerPoint presentation, you know, on how it's much more profitable to look after and breed the Megatos than it is to kill them and take their horns.

492
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.319
Did you see those weird ass Ferengi that were in discovery series three?

493
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.480
They had it really strange, didn't they?

494
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.819
I know it was in the future. so fair enough.

495
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.220
I don't know.

496
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.039
I like me a bit of cartoon latex, so we're getting in.

497
00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:32.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

498
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:33.240
Yeah.

499
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:33.900
Yeah.

500
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.380
Yeah, these 2 beautiful nerdy men are negotiating our way to safety using the power of maths.

501
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.140
You know, like...

502
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:43.619
It is.

503
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.460
It's adorable.

504
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:45.599
It's just so sweet.

505
00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.640
And it's very Star Treky as well.

506
00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:51.059
It isn't doing anything revolutionary, this episode, is it?

507
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.079
But it is very amiable.

508
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.460
Yeah.

509
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.440
I've just walked away from going, well, that was nice.

510
00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:55.980
That was lovely.

511
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.579
Yeah.

512
00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:09.660
Well, I think too, that solving the problem not by being a black ops person, but by being good at maths and being able to convince people with your PowerPoint presentation, there you go.

513
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.519
She's gonna heal him all night.

514
00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:13.019
She's...

515
00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:14.460
Yeah, I've been...

516
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.779
It's like Bajoran and a cat.

517
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.980
I bet they're filthy.

518
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.619
No, they are.

519
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.240
And they're both a bit older too.

520
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:22.440
So they're super filthy.

521
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.220
They know.

522
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.500
Oh, see, now Tendee's being assertive, isn't she?

523
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.460
So like, get away from my patient.

524
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:27.900
Yeah, except it's not her patient.

525
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.200
Look, and she says, so get the fuck out of the way.

526
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.660
This is my patient.

527
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:40.140
I don't want to drive this point on too much, you know, but we did watch Generations of Manhub.

528
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.480
This is a fabulous palate cleanser, you know, from that.

529
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:43.440
Yeah, yeah.

530
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:46.559
A nice reminder that Star Trek can in fact be good.

531
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:48.599
Yep.

532
00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:54.960
So here, this is how, so she's talking to her husband, Carol Freeman's talking to Admiral Freeman.

533
00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:55.740
She is, he?

534
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

535
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:57.900
Yeah.

536
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:58.380
Yeah.

537
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:14.640
Um, and he tips her off that that guy Hyde um, was actually pulling a con and had stolen, you know, like had tricked her into giving her, giving him a shuttle and all of the stuff in her office.

538
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:25.440
And so she's dragging him back and now he'll get a, uh, the same kind of punishment as um, Cyrano Jones gets in trouble with tribbles.

539
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:30.240
I could literally, the way she's standing there on that bridge pulling it back like that, I could see Janeway doing that.

540
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.079
Absolutely.

541
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:32.759
She's great.

542
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:34.140
I love Captain Freeman.

543
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:34.859
She really awesome.

544
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.519
There you go.

545
00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:43.619
There's just not like, I think the mother and the baby are reunited and they're happy. you know that's brilliant.

546
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:50.759
There's more efforts done in those 3.5 seconds than you're adding that entire original series episode to make those aliens convincing.

547
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.019
Oh, yeah, yeah.

548
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.519
So this is adorable.

549
00:32:53.579 --> 00:33:03.480
So she, there, she's joined in on their sort of compromise game where they have to, you know, negotiate a compromise and it's not that no one wins.

550
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.259
Do you know what I mean?

551
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.220
Everyone is a little bit unhappy with the outcome and that's how compromises work.

552
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.220
And, you know, Boim was going, do you understand this?

553
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.019
And she goes, oh, no, I don't.

554
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:14.819
And then she goes to the bar.

555
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:18.359
And then they say, oh my god, she's kicking our ass in this as well.

556
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:24.900
So she's better at this there thing than they are, which I think is pretty great.

557
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.920
And now she's telling a lie about what great.

558
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.640
The lights going dramatic superheroes they are.

559
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:39.240
Just so that honours will tell that to the next person who comes along, which is her little gift to them, which is kind of adorable.

560
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.799
Spreading disinformation, you know, is one of my great joys at work.

561
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:46.380
I managed to convince people last week I've got a twin brother.

562
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.480
Oh, really?

563
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.660
Jamie, by all accounts.

564
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.039
Oh, okay.

565
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:55.259
Does he look like you, identical or fraternal?

566
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.940
Wow, that was terrible.

567
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.460
I literally convinced somebody that I was downstairs.

568
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:05.339
My twin brother was down, I ran downstairs, put on a fleece, started playing music.

569
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.500
That person came down the stairs, looked at me very strange.

570
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.239
I was like, you're right, you see my brother?

571
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.920
Very easy to do, you know, you should do her work.

572
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.360
That was only for too quickly.

573
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:17.219
I was really enjoying that.

574
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.019
Yeah, it's really fun.

575
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.619
I just think that's a complete... generations, which went on forever.

576
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.440
Yeah, yeah, God.

577
00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:28.920
Yeah, like it just never seemed to end. is really fun.

578
00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:36.300
I'm actually finding too, like as we're recording, prodigy is on at the moment, and it's been really good.

579
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:41.400
Like it's it's showing the 2nd half of series one, the next sort of 10 episodes.

580
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:54.960
And they're short and they're lovely and they are like a kid's cartoon in that there's a very sort of simple arc. you know, it has to have a proper character arc or it doesn't work and there's some great action and the plot is developing.

581
00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:55.920
It's been really good.

582
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:58.260
So, so there's that.

583
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.860
You think there's an ideal link for a Star Trek episode?

584
00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:04.500
Because obviously they're all sort of 25 minutes.

585
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:10.440
Um, original series comes in between 50 and sort of 55 minutes sometimes.

586
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:11.820
Yeah, sometimes a bit longer.

587
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:17.099
And 90 straight generally comes in at about 40 minutes, but they can feel a bit padded, can't they?

588
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:17.760
No worries, actually.

589
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:26.159
Like Kurzman Trek is, is, uh, it varies in length and, you know, because it doesn't have to occupy a time slot because it's purely on streaming.

590
00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:31.380
We've had sort of 35 minute episodes and they've been episodes much, much longer than that.

591
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:39.599
And I think, you know, they generally tend to justify their length, I think, because they aren't having to do anything to pad out.

592
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:45.599
Well, one of the things I love about Kersman trick is they don't give a toss about sticking to a certain length, do they?

593
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:47.579
how long does the story need to be?

594
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.500
That's how long this episode will be.

595
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:55.440
Yeah, whereas, you know, we've seen, or I've seen 90s trick episodes with free plots in it like this.

596
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:59.099
And honestly, it feels like they're about 5 hours long.

597
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.019
This just goes to show you can do an AB and C in 22 minutes.

598
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.579
Yeah.

599
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:06.179
Yeah.

600
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:16.679
And I think it is a skill and I have a very short attention span and so I'm always happy to watch something that lasts for sort of 25 minutes.

601
00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.800
So, mission accomplished, I think.

602
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:23.460
Well, I hate to tell you this, but whatever we're going to watch next is probably going to be a bit longer.

603
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.739
Yeah, imagine it will be.

604
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.900
Oh well, I'm ready for it.

605
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:28.619
Me too.

606
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:38.579
It's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out what we're going to watch next.

607
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:45.000
And, Joe, you have control of the button, so tell me how you're going to approach it this time.

608
00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:49.320
Well, we did a marvellous original series episode, Trouble Drawals.

609
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:57.840
We did a dreadful Star Trek, the Next Generation movie, Generations, and even more dreadful Star Trek, the Next Generation episode, Manhunt.

610
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.059
And then we dipped our toes into Kurtzman Trek.

611
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.739
So there's only one way we can possibly go next.

612
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.679
I'll just put everything in Anime series.

613
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:05.280
I know.

614
00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:06.179
I'll just pay it for you.

615
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.219
I like doing that.

616
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.260
I like it because then it bounces back too.

617
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.519
Anyway, shall I press it?

618
00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:12.780
Okay, all right.

619
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.739
Here goes.

620
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.440
Well, we ain't going here, that's for sure.

621
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:18.480
It's Star Trek Voyager.

622
00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:20.460
Season five, episode five.

623
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.619
Once upon a time.

624
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.320
Oh, I don't even know what that is.

625
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:31.320
It's a Neelix and Naomi Wildman episode. where they head into the holodeck and meet.

626
00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:33.059
It's basically an editorium tree.

627
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:35.219
It's the inferior version of cost of living.

628
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.139
Yeah, okay.

629
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:37.619
All right.

630
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.119
Agonisingly terrible.

631
00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:39.960
Let's not do that.

632
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:41.460
Oh, dear.

633
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.900
Oh, bugger it.

634
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:54.420
Okay, your random subject, D Space 9 episode is series four, episode three, the visitor. have to do that.

635
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.599
We've just done a big role, right?

636
00:37:57.659 --> 00:38:00.000
We just want to yell at us.

637
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.320
We just want the CGI.

638
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.400
Oh, it is amazing.

639
00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:06.480
Yeah, but that was terrible.

640
00:38:06.539 --> 00:38:07.079
This is good.

641
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.800
It's so good.

642
00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:12.360
Okay, all right, okay.

643
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.559
We could never roll it again.

644
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:16.320
There's like 870 episodes out there.

645
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:18.300
No, like it's, uh...

646
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:22.559
No, like that never... dramatis persona and things like that, isn't it?

647
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.420
That's right.

648
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.619
That's right.

649
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.179
Getting a good episode is a statistical rarity.

650
00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.039
Do you imagine this?

651
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:33.179
Well, one is going to be a visitor.

652
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.039
Star Trek, these based on episode?

653
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.500
It could be.

654
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.019
It has been a while since I've seen it.

655
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:51.179
Um, but I do remember being massively affected by it, and you've got Tony Todd as old Jake, and it is that thing.

656
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:53.400
It's one of those things.

657
00:38:53.400 --> 00:39:08.340
Star Trek Discovery does an episode like that, the name of which I can't remember in series 4, where they take a character's grief and they make it real by inventing a complicated science fiction thing to make it happen.

658
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:20.460
And so you've got this kind of time thing which is all explained through hand waving and is specifically designed to show you what grief is like.

659
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.239
And I think that's really something.

660
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:33.179
And so, you know, I think it's just a terribly affecting episode with some great performances, like 3 central great performances.

661
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.739
I've always found it very moving.

662
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:49.860
I lost my mum 3 years ago, 3 years ago, yesterday, funnily enough, and um, I watched it for the 1st time this year since I lost my mum and it works on a whole different level.

663
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:56.400
Like the grief that he goes through and oh, and it takes a lot for television to make me cry.

664
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:59.099
Like, I'm a bit hard when it comes to watching television.

665
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:06.300
And I, that last scene between the older Jake and Cisco, where you realise he's committing suicide.

666
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.880
I was absolute, I was in pieces.

667
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.780
Yeah.

668
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.699
Yeah.

669
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:18.480
I think I may have been in a similar situation to you when I 1st watched this when it 1st came out.

670
00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:24.000
Um, and Unlike you, I cried all sorts of things.

671
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:29.820
I listened to an audio documentary about the music for Star Wars and or and I was in tears for most of that.

672
00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:42.300
So like I, you know, I cry at the drop of a hat, but the grief thing, you know, like, like when it's particularly present, I think, you know, that sort of thing is hugely affecting.

673
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:48.360
And I think it's absolutely worth doing an episode at this point of DS 9.

674
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:56.460
This is right at the start of series 4 and this is where it basically stepped up a notch. and became a lot of people's favourites.

675
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.679
You know, this is where it was at its most confident.

676
00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:00.539
Yeah, okay, let's do it.

677
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.340
Yeah, okay, brilliant.

678
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:02.820
Let's do that.

679
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.039
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

680
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We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cavern Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 19th of December 2022 and released on the 30th of December.

683
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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, the visitor.

684
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Jesus Christ.

685
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How are you going for once upon a time?

686
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to the visitor.

687
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That's what we that's Star Trek.

688
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Do you know what I mean?

689
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It goes wildly.

690
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Let's do an animated series one after that.

691
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Interestingly, the 2nd the 2nd episode of Voyages.

692
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4 Season, the Gift.

693
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I really like as well.

694
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I don't like them as much as the visitor of.

695
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I think it's really, and I think they're in a similar situation where they kind of hit a point where they suddenly are very confident.

696
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They do Scorpion, then they do the gift and then 4 and 5 are generally speaking, really good.

697
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The gift is strange, isn't it?

698
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Because it is that sort of letting her go. thing, like there's an urgency about her departure.

699
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There's a scene between her and Janeway and her quarters, where Janeway can just, she can't even hold back the tears because she knows the case of saying, I've got to go and I've got to explore this.

700
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That's really good.

701
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But yeah, visitors really heavy heating though, isn't it?

702
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Yeah, and it probably lets us talk about Avery and Sirok as well, that relationship.

703
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Aaron Eisenberg is brilliant, isn't it?

704
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That's great well building.

705
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Yeah, it's good.

706
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Yeah.

707
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You're right, you're right.

708
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I was going to press it again.

709
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You've convinced me.

710
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You'd be convincing me to do a DS9 episode.

711
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
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No, no, that's fine.

713
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And I didn't I didn't like AR 558.

714
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We have done a lot of deep say so lately, but I mean, who's going to complain about us doing the visitor?

715
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It's hugely important.

716
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Yeah.

717
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All right.

718
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So I'll tell you what I'm going to do. stop recording.

719
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Yeah.

720
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Yeah.