WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 21:25:52 1 00:00:22.260 --> 00:00:25.019 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:30.000 So, this week, we're watching an episode of Lower Decks, which we 3 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.619 haven't touched for a little while, and it is, what, series 2 4 00:00:34.619 --> 00:00:35.640 episode something? 5 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:38.219 I don't even know, actually, series 2 though. 6 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.340 And it is called Mugato Gumato. 7 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:42.840 Do you know why? 8 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:47.399 I'm glad you've said that because I know the joke's on me when I 9 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:49.020 can't pronounce the title of this episode. 10 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:54.659 I think it's got something to do with the fact that in the 11 00:00:54.659 --> 00:00:59.039 original series episode that these creatures appeared in. nobody 12 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.200 could pronounce the name of them properly. 13 00:01:01.259 --> 00:01:04.799 Well, I think it was D. I think it was De Forrest Kelly, who 14 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.439 couldn't pronounce, who couldn't pronounce the name. 15 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:11.219 I think it was originally Gumato, and he kept saying Mugato, so 16 00:01:11.219 --> 00:01:14.219 they just changed it and decided that's how it was pronounced. 17 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.420 But he also comes out with Mugatu as well at some point. 18 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.959 So he really, to say, I did watch that. 19 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:23.700 That's called a private little war. 20 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:24.959 That's from series 2. 21 00:01:25.260 --> 00:01:26.819 It's really terrible. 22 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:28.980 It looks quite promising for a bit. 23 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.420 And of course, the Megato's, there's just one, and it appears at 24 00:01:33.420 --> 00:01:36.959 the beginning and at the end, and it's just a guy in a white 25 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.900 gorilla suit with kind of horns and stuff like that. 26 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:41.579 So it's a pretty low effort. 27 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:42.959 Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. 28 00:01:43.019 --> 00:01:44.579 And it bites... 29 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.340 This isn't like a, this isn't like a William Shatner's sort of 30 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:48.120 sabotage. 31 00:01:48.180 --> 00:01:50.159 No, no, no, no, situation. 32 00:01:50.219 --> 00:01:51.239 This isn't Shatna's fault. 33 00:01:51.299 --> 00:01:54.060 This is just a stupid space name that De Forrest Kelly can't say 34 00:01:54.060 --> 00:01:54.420 properly. 35 00:01:54.420 --> 00:01:55.140 Couldn't pronounce. 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.640 And it's not that hard. 37 00:01:56.700 --> 00:02:00.120 And so they hang a hat on that really quite early on. 38 00:02:00.299 --> 00:02:04.319 I mean, I mean, it's not above Kurtzman tricks. 39 00:02:04.379 --> 00:02:06.840 I look over their shoulder at the original series and see someone 40 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.360 mispronouncing somebody, saying, well, we'll do an entire episode 41 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:10.620 about that, should we? 42 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.360 Yeah, and I mean, it isn't quite that. 43 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:14.759 So it's what have we got? 44 00:02:14.819 --> 00:02:21.120 We've got an A-plot, which is that Rutherford and Boemler think 45 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:26.699 that Mariner is a like a special Black Ops. 46 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:28.860 Yeah, Starfleet intelligence agent. 47 00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:35.460 And then the B plot is Tandy has to do a job for Tana, which is to 48 00:02:35.460 --> 00:02:38.340 go around and scan everyone who's reluctant to be scanned. 49 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.960 That reminded me so much of those old DS9 subplots in like series 50 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.020 2 and 3 that don't think about anything but are so kind of 51 00:02:46.020 --> 00:02:46.680 amiable. 52 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:49.620 They're just they're not the best part of the episode sometimes. 53 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:51.060 That was wonderful. 54 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.960 It's a little bit unusual to kind of hive Tandy off onto her B 55 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.520 plot because often it's Boimler and Mariner and Tandy and 56 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.379 Rutherford who work really well together. 57 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.199 And so this is sort of kind of fun. 58 00:03:04.259 --> 00:03:06.120 And it is very cartoony. 59 00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:09.539 Like they're both really lied and they all happen in the context 60 00:03:09.539 --> 00:03:14.159 of this, the Ferengia sort of cutting horns off the mugatos or 61 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:19.979 sometimes gumatos and then selling them to people and they have to 62 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:21.479 be persuaded to stop doing that. 63 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:24.240 And then there's another sort of alien plot as well. 64 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:28.199 Well, I had like a one overriding 4 as I was watching this. 65 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:29.159 And that is. 66 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:33.120 I wasn't sure how you were going to fall with this because I know 67 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.000 obviously, the last outpost for own gear are agonisingly 68 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:36.360 terrible. 69 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:38.939 So that they're in here. 70 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:41.879 And then you've also, and you've got a bit of an issue with, you 71 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:46.800 know, Starfleet, you know, secret ops, you know, section 31 style 72 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:47.219 of things. 73 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.659 And that's in era as well. 74 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.719 And I thought to myself, this is curse and cherry picking, all the 75 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.599 things Nathan don't like, and making them palatable. 76 00:03:54.659 --> 00:03:56.280 Yeah, yeah. 77 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:59.039 Well, I mean, you know, the black ops thing ends up not being true 78 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:03.419 and they do mention a couple of incidents like Tuvok get to 79 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:06.960 mention being in Starfleet intelligence and pretending to be on 80 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.400 the ship and being somewhere else. 81 00:04:08.460 --> 00:04:12.419 Wonderful moment where she just suddenly like the camera zooms in 82 00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:15.479 on mariner's eyes, looking at sinister. 83 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:18.660 The lighting goes really harsh, and it reminds me of a scene in 84 00:04:18.660 --> 00:04:22.980 season 5 of DS9, but sure, it was a changeling, is going up in a 85 00:04:22.980 --> 00:04:25.920 turbo lift, looking all evil and sinister, and then steps out of 86 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:26.639 the turbo lift. 87 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:29.279 Oh, I've just brought you some sandwiches. you know, like. 88 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:33.720 No, I mean, we talked about this before. 89 00:04:33.779 --> 00:04:38.220 I love how this show takes the cliches of Star Trek, you know, the 90 00:04:38.220 --> 00:04:41.579 absurd cliches of Star Trek and spins it into something really 91 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:42.000 really fun. 92 00:04:42.060 --> 00:04:44.220 And I do think they did this here. 93 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.740 I thought for lower decks. 94 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.699 This was a, it was fun and I enjoyed it, and I want to say that 95 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:51.300 straight away. 96 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.839 And I think there's no lower decks episode I'm not going to enjoy 97 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.860 just because I think it is, it's trying to be funny and it is 98 00:04:58.860 --> 00:04:59.100 funny. 99 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.519 But this felt a little bit more middle of the road compared to 100 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.639 some of the ones we've watched before and a little bit more 101 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:06.420 relaxed. 102 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.000 Whereas the ones we've watched before would be like relentless 103 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.899 gags hitting you one after another until you submit. 104 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:17.639 Whereas this felt like a, this almost felt like a 90s Star Trek 105 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.579 episode, you know, it was quite nicely paced, some nice character 106 00:05:20.579 --> 00:05:22.620 moments, an A, a BSC plot. 107 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.899 And it's mid-season. 108 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.540 So yeah, you know, they are going to do episodes that aren't 109 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:28.680 always, you know, big hitters. 110 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:30.420 It was really, really fun. 111 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:30.899 I just. 112 00:05:31.259 --> 00:05:33.360 It wasn't as... 113 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:35.339 What am I trying to say? 114 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:40.379 It doesn't have a big idea the way that some of them do. 115 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.319 There's some of them that kind of edge their way into actually 116 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:47.279 being kind of like proper Star Trek episodes in that they have a 117 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.759 big idea and you think this would have worked in one of the other 118 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:51.180 shows. 119 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.339 And this one doesn't quite do that. 120 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.240 It is structured like a comedy cartoon, which is what it is. 121 00:05:57.300 --> 00:06:01.379 And I think that lower decks does alternate between those modes. 122 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.620 And so even in the most recent season, which I don't think you've 123 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:05.220 seen any of. 124 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:08.220 There are some really, really weird high concept ones, like 125 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:12.660 mathematically perfect redemption, for instance, which is an 126 00:06:12.660 --> 00:06:17.220 incredible episode about peanut hamper, the 1st exocomp to join 127 00:06:17.220 --> 00:06:18.240 Starfleet. 128 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:21.420 And that's really, really strange and different from anything 129 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:22.259 you've ever seen. 130 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.560 And then there's just sort of, you know, run of the mill episodes 131 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.259 where there's an A plot and a B plot and everyone's being silly 132 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:28.800 and having fun. 133 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:34.379 I think, like, the 2 that we've done so far, one was the, you know 134 00:06:34.379 --> 00:06:38.699 outrageous sex comedy where everyone was fucking, and they just 135 00:06:38.699 --> 00:06:42.540 threw every gag you can about the naked now, the naked time and 136 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:43.019 all of that. 137 00:06:43.019 --> 00:06:45.540 And the other one we did was the one where Boyman had a girlfriend 138 00:06:45.540 --> 00:06:49.079 and they were going through every single Star Trek cliche. 139 00:06:49.139 --> 00:06:51.660 So those episodes were like furiously funny. 140 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.720 This felt gently mocking. 141 00:06:54.779 --> 00:06:56.220 Which is also quite nice. 142 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:57.600 Yeah, that's right. 143 00:06:57.660 --> 00:07:01.620 I hadn't really realised that connection, but the Cupid's errant 144 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:04.800 arrow is the one that just burns through all of those different 145 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.139 plots. absolutely inspired. 146 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.120 And then so does the other one whose name I can't remember, but 147 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.040 the other one where the person comes on board and sets up those 148 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:22.199 little holodecks and everyone is sort of replaying plots and 149 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:23.579 things from previous episodes. 150 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:28.079 So they're very, very centred on making fun of a huge amount of 151 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:29.339 Star Trek. 152 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.199 Whereas this is a little bit more business as usual. 153 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:34.680 And so, you know, all the Star Trek elements are mocked, but there 154 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.420 aren't quite as many of them perhaps. 155 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:40.139 And some of the humour was a little bit overt times as well. like 156 00:07:40.139 --> 00:07:43.560 Monach gets, you know, oh, you're the last outpost for Engi. 157 00:07:43.620 --> 00:07:45.180 Have you never heard of cork? 158 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.480 And I'm like, yeah, it's funny, but that's very blatant. 159 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.279 You might as well just look straight out of the camera at the 160 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:50.939 audience, you know? 161 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 162 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:55.980 The sort of the conclusion I'm going to with Lower Decks is, is 163 00:07:55.980 --> 00:07:59.339 obviously, was it, 13, 10, 13 episodes per season? 164 00:08:00.060 --> 00:08:04.079 They're 20 minute, 25 minute episodes, so they're never around 165 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:05.220 long enough to annoy you. 166 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.800 They're super confident with their characters. 167 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:10.740 They've got some genuinely funny writers in there. 168 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.600 This show is always good. 169 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:17.040 And if this is a kind of a lacking episode of Lower Decks. 170 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:17.879 Well, that's still good. 171 00:08:17.939 --> 00:08:20.639 Yeah, I'm I watch the hell out of it. 172 00:08:20.699 --> 00:08:21.839 It's the Star Trek. 173 00:08:21.899 --> 00:08:24.779 I think that I watch most and I think the running time is a big 174 00:08:24.779 --> 00:08:29.339 selling point for me and just my familiarity with it and I love 175 00:08:29.339 --> 00:08:33.480 those characters and because they're cartoon characters who behave 176 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.159 in this sort of exaggerated way. 177 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:37.620 I think they're really terribly fun. 178 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.779 But I like all 4 of the lower deckers. 179 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:43.440 Oh, now feel like in all the live action Star Trek, you know, that 180 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.539 everyone's talking a bit too slow, you know, everyone talks super 181 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:48.600 paced in comedy in costumes. 182 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:51.299 They're all talking really fast and it's all that sort of 183 00:08:51.299 --> 00:08:52.799 quickfire buffy dialogue going on. 184 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:54.539 No, no, go and watch a DS9. 185 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.460 I feel like everyone's in half speed, you know? 186 00:08:57.059 --> 00:08:58.860 That's it. 187 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:00.240 Maybe that's what we do. 188 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.720 We'll just turn up all of the other episodes to twice speed and 189 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:04.919 comment on them that way. 190 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:07.200 This PS5 episode is particularly pacy. 191 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:08.700 There's reason for that. 192 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:09.480 It's right. 193 00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:13.379 We could do Star Trek the Motion Picture under those conditions 194 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:14.159 would be excellent. 195 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:15.419 Imagine. 196 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.840 If you if you doubled the speed of some of those Nightrex episode 197 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.179 it would be like the camera work in Nightrek episode. 198 00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:23.700 Yeah, zooming about them. 199 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:28.379 No, it'd still be more stayed than it. 200 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:29.700 All right. 201 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:31.019 I think we should go in. 202 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:31.799 What do you reckon? 203 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:32.940 I think so too. 204 00:09:33.059 --> 00:09:33.600 Let's do it. 205 00:09:33.779 --> 00:09:36.360 I love talking lower decks. 206 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:38.340 Okay, I'll count a scene. 207 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:43.740 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 208 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:45.659 Here we go. 209 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:49.259 Oh, I've just had a warning that there's sexual content and 210 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:50.220 violence in this episode. 211 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:52.799 Yeah, there isn't that much. 212 00:09:52.860 --> 00:09:53.700 Oh, yeah, there is actually. 213 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:54.600 I've just thought about it. 214 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:55.980 All right, so we're in the gym. 215 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.860 Oh, God, we're playing Ambo Jetsu. 216 00:09:58.919 --> 00:09:59.639 Oh, yes. 217 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.240 So this is incredibly violent. 218 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:04.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 219 00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:06.179 So that's from the Pegasus, isn't it? 220 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.360 Like Riker and his father, not the Pegasus. 221 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:10.259 I can remember what that's called. 222 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:14.100 It's a season 2 episode where Pulaski's banging Riker's dad. 223 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.860 Well, has banged Riker's dad. 224 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.320 And it's really like, this is brilliant. 225 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.639 And the animation makes it look like a genuine martial art, but in 226 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.879 the TNG episode, they were in this dreadful plastic armour. 227 00:10:26.940 --> 00:10:28.620 It's embarrassing. 228 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.539 Well, isn't it, it's like Riker and his father playing ambo jitsu 229 00:10:33.539 --> 00:10:37.740 to kind of resolve some issue. each other up to get out of their 230 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:38.519 emotional issues out. 231 00:10:38.580 --> 00:10:38.940 Yeah. 232 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:39.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 233 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:40.980 And Troy's a poll. 234 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:44.100 She's like, why can't you just sit down and talk instead of, you 235 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:44.759 know, fighting? 236 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:50.940 But look, she's just absolutely and look poemless vomiting and 237 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:51.179 stuff. 238 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.279 Now I just think this is adorable. 239 00:10:53.340 --> 00:10:57.720 And this, not this bit because she's, this, look at Shacks. 240 00:10:57.779 --> 00:10:58.679 He wanders in. 241 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:02.519 He's got a little crop top, he's ready to do some working out, and 242 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.500 I just think he's ridiculously hot. 243 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.399 He's a dill. 244 00:11:05.460 --> 00:11:06.419 He's really hot, is he? 245 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.039 I love the fact that... 246 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:09.659 Oh, just let me know when you're done. 247 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:11.399 Yeah, yeah, she's just... 248 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:11.940 She's there. 249 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:12.840 A pair of them. 250 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:14.220 Yeah, that's right. 251 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.679 It's the security officer and the vomit. 252 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:18.779 I was getting like rick and mortivibes from that. 253 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:20.879 Yeah, well, this is my good man. 254 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:21.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 255 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:22.799 No, no, no. 256 00:11:22.860 --> 00:11:24.600 He's been involved in Rick and Morty. 257 00:11:24.659 --> 00:11:25.139 Yeah, absolutely. 258 00:11:25.259 --> 00:11:26.940 May I say, this is the title sequence. 259 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.080 I never fast forward. 260 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:34.200 Only for the of the aliens sucking on the arse of the Cerritos 261 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.340 which is my favourite bit. 262 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:41.820 So you can tell that it's series 2 because we have the pack leads 263 00:11:41.820 --> 00:11:46.919 and the Borg and the Romulans there. and it just goes actually, no 264 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:47.759 we're going to fuck off. 265 00:11:47.820 --> 00:11:49.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 266 00:11:49.620 --> 00:11:53.700 And then we get some silicon avatars in the series 3 opening 267 00:11:53.700 --> 00:11:55.860 titles because of course we do. 268 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:57.179 What's so great about this? 269 00:11:58.500 --> 00:11:59.220 Well, do you know what? 270 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.220 I've been in a few uncompromising positions like this where I've 271 00:12:02.220 --> 00:12:03.179 had to look to the side of that. 272 00:12:03.179 --> 00:12:04.740 I've been sucking on someone's arse. 273 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.799 So, you know, like, yeah, yeah, no, it's relatable. 274 00:12:07.860 --> 00:12:12.480 But it's great because the ship goes across very stately and you 275 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:13.799 think, oh, this is a lovely shot. 276 00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:15.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 277 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:15.960 Yeah. 278 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:20.220 So here we have, so we're on the planet, which I don't know what 279 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:20.580 it is. 280 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:25.379 And these are denobulins, and I hadn't realised this, and I don't 281 00:12:25.379 --> 00:12:27.840 think I've seen Dr. Fox do this face thing before. 282 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.620 Yeah, he gets it quite early on in Enterprise. 283 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.879 This is the 1st appearance of Nobulance since Enterprise. 284 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:37.500 Since Enterprise. 285 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:38.820 Yeah, which I think is lovely. 286 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:41.700 No, they've got a cherry pick. 287 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:42.899 They should cherry pick everything. 288 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.240 Oh yeah, no, I agree. 289 00:12:45.299 --> 00:12:46.679 I think they should absolutely be. 290 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:49.259 Nathan, look at this, sitting around the conference table looking 291 00:12:49.259 --> 00:12:50.879 at that non-reflective wall bit. 292 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:54.120 I mean, this has given me some serious 90s vibes here. 293 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:55.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 294 00:12:55.860 --> 00:12:59.159 The thing on the wall behind Freeman looks exactly like the one 295 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:03.840 from series 5, 6, and 7 of, you know, Star Trek the Next 296 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:04.200 Generation. 297 00:13:04.259 --> 00:13:06.539 What's the security officer's name? 298 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.879 Um, Shacks. 299 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.419 Kira. in the DS9 episode. 300 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.159 They're like busy mates, aren't they? 301 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:16.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 302 00:13:16.139 --> 00:13:20.340 They're all they're trying to outdo each other on who owes who a 303 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:24.480 life-saving rescue because they rescued one another constantly 304 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.100 during the occupation. 305 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.799 Which spaceboard game are they playing here? 306 00:13:28.860 --> 00:13:29.399 Kaoto? 307 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:33.000 No, they're playing a game where they have to compromise. 308 00:13:33.059 --> 00:13:35.279 Their goal is to get a compromise happening. 309 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:39.360 So it's a super boring card game where they have to learn how to 310 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.019 compromise. 311 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.259 And of course, these are the skills that they're going to bring to 312 00:13:43.259 --> 00:13:45.960 the table at the end, which solve the episode. 313 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:49.980 And so she's really great at violence in a crackhand, sort of, you 314 00:13:49.980 --> 00:13:52.799 know, beating the crap out of them, and they're playing a card, a 315 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.519 very gentle board game where they're, you know, compromising and 316 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:57.419 talking tax and stuff. 317 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.480 Who's just fellow behind the bars, spreading gossip about 318 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:00.899 everybody. 319 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.159 Yeah, so he is a bar guy. 320 00:14:05.220 --> 00:14:07.620 I can't remember his name. his honus, I think. 321 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.700 And I can't remember if he's been in it before, but we get another 322 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:16.019 scene as well with him at the end, obviously bookending it, which 323 00:14:16.019 --> 00:14:16.559 is pretty great. 324 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:19.620 I love this where they go up onto people's faces and do the 325 00:14:19.620 --> 00:14:21.960 dramatic light when they're saying something very menacing. 326 00:14:22.019 --> 00:14:24.720 It's, I don't know if you ever watched Alias. 327 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:28.200 Did you ever watch that No, I never watched aliens. 328 00:14:28.259 --> 00:14:30.179 Seriously, this character called... 329 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.960 Yeah, this character, Francine, and she's doing it again. 330 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:38.639 She's killed and replaced by a duplicate and she's like lovely in 331 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:39.059 a scene. 332 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:40.919 And at the end of the scene, the camera swings round on her 333 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.159 because she's a duplicate and she's got that lighting on her face 334 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:45.360 looking really evil. 335 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:47.340 Yeah, that's great. 336 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.980 And that, look, now she's in a, she's in a light as well. 337 00:14:53.700 --> 00:14:57.240 It did make me think, you know, when someone drops a bit of 338 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:57.899 information like this. 339 00:14:57.960 --> 00:14:59.820 You never realised about this person. 340 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:02.039 Then you suddenly start looking and you see it, you know? 341 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:03.240 Yeah. 342 00:15:03.299 --> 00:15:04.320 Yeah. 343 00:15:05.580 --> 00:15:09.659 So his exposition has been rudely interrupted by Billups, the 344 00:15:09.659 --> 00:15:12.960 ship's engineer who wants a daiquiri, I think, or something. 345 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.100 That looks like a great bar, you know, much nicer than temple 346 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:17.460 words. 347 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:18.000 I know. 348 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:19.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 349 00:15:19.860 --> 00:15:22.440 I like the bar on discovery, I think. 350 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:27.419 Oh, and on, and the one on, um, Strangely Worlds. they both look 351 00:15:27.419 --> 00:15:29.940 magnificent Quarks will always be my favourite though. 352 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.500 Yeah, yeah. 353 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:32.879 Well, it's a franchise now. 354 00:15:32.940 --> 00:15:34.200 It's cool. 355 00:15:34.259 --> 00:15:36.299 Oh, I just like a door... subplot. 356 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:38.220 Although I happen to go around getting everyone to do their 357 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:38.639 medical. 358 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:41.039 Because this is a bit of a thing on his trek. 359 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:43.019 You haven't been for your medical yet, you know? 360 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:46.919 And I mean, Tendi is so adorable. 361 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:48.539 She's so lovely. 362 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.799 And so this is Dr. Tana trying to get her to be more assertive. 363 00:15:52.860 --> 00:15:58.200 And so, um, she has to chase up everyone who refuses. 364 00:15:58.259 --> 00:16:03.240 But then the fact that the last person on the list is bloody Dr 365 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:04.740 Tiana is out. 366 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:06.600 Yeah, it's so great. 367 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:10.860 So here we've been reading about these... 368 00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:14.159 So this is the bit, this is the bit about the pronunciation of the 369 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:14.580 name. 370 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.919 So he's been reading up. 371 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.740 Boem has been reading up about them and discovers that they're 372 00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:24.240 both Gumato's, Megatos, and Mugatos as well. 373 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:29.879 Now I explicitly referencing Paul De Forrest Kelly. 374 00:16:29.940 --> 00:16:32.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 375 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:33.240 Yep, exactly. 376 00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:37.980 Sorry, just to say what I was going to say there, the bit where 377 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:39.419 she chased her around the ship. 378 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.720 The thing that made me laugh most about this episode was she just 379 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.419 kept going, the cat every time. 380 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.279 It's so great. 381 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.620 She's so terrific. 382 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:50.820 I was like, wow. 383 00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:51.539 And another reference. 384 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.399 Good. 385 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.580 Yeah, well, there's another reference to her fucking shacks as 386 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:58.080 well, or 2 of them are on together. 387 00:16:58.139 --> 00:17:01.799 Oh, yeah, it wasn't just a very flirtatious line, doesn't she? 388 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:02.039 Yeah. 389 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:03.960 Come to my quarters later, Nathan. 390 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:07.259 You can scratch your back. 391 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.700 So, see, I haven't watched a lot of these. 392 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:17.400 So do we spend a lot of time with the bridge crew in series 2 and 393 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:18.000 series three? 394 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:23.339 Well, I mean, the bridge crew, I mean, it focusses on those four 395 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:26.460 but the bridge crew are in the opening credits and you've got, what 396 00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:26.940 have you got? 397 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:31.140 You've got Freeman Ransom, Taana, and Shacks basically are the 398 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:32.339 main ones, aren't they? 399 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.119 Have I forgotten anyone? 400 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:35.160 I was just like in the 1st place. 401 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:37.559 I just remember like they obviously they were always cutting away 402 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.619 from the action and we were just hanging out with them, you know 403 00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:43.380 behind the scenes, which I thought was the joke. 404 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.319 But I think what inadvertently happened is, is they created 405 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.200 fantastic bridge crew characters. we want to be with these people 406 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:49.559 as well. 407 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.000 Yeah, yeah. 408 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:53.160 And they are really good. they're awesome. 409 00:17:53.220 --> 00:17:56.880 They should have gone all out with this planetary landscape, you 410 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.180 know, and gone full the last outpost and just had some dreadful 411 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:03.000 you know, looking like an old studio, but there's far too much 412 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:03.839 depth to it, you know? 413 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:05.160 Yeah. 414 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:09.900 So Shax is tracking the Megato by tasting its dung much to 415 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:10.440 everyone. 416 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:11.579 Of course. 417 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.339 Oh, look at these 48 because he's... 418 00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:16.140 Do you know what they would have made? 419 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:17.940 Why did they ever get rid of those? 420 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.319 electric whips. amazing. 421 00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:20.279 Whips. 422 00:18:20.339 --> 00:18:23.700 Is this the 1st time we've seen them with whips since the last 423 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:24.359 outpost? 424 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:26.279 Yeah there's a reason for that. 425 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:27.480 It didn't work, did it? 426 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:30.059 They were supposed to be the big bad of the trek universe. 427 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 428 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:36.000 And then they went, oh, so we go back to the drawing board and 429 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.200 we'll create the ball. 430 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.799 Yeah, who are slightly better, aren't they, really? 431 00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:43.259 Well, as big bads anyway. 432 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:44.700 They're much better. 433 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:45.359 Yeah. 434 00:18:48.660 --> 00:18:50.940 Look, I'm all just running in. 435 00:18:51.900 --> 00:18:54.000 Yeah, yeah. 436 00:18:54.059 --> 00:18:57.539 So, So, oh, here we go. 437 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:03.240 So we kind of primed, I mean, I think this is kind of cute in a 438 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:09.660 way, because there are 2 there are 2 Megatos in a very private 439 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:13.680 little war, and they both get killed. 440 00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:18.059 They both get phased to death by Kirk, I think, both times 441 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:18.420 actually. 442 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.019 And, you know, they're just sort of threatening and stuff. 443 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.940 And so having them sympathetic, because they're now endangered, and 444 00:19:26.940 --> 00:19:29.579 we kind of care about them and they're being poached, because 445 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:32.400 they're covered in horns and stuff, I think that's sort of 446 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:37.140 delightful, and we do get lots of fabulous comedy with the Megatas 447 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:37.740 in here, I think. 448 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:40.140 Wow, it's kind of like that. like you were saying before about the 449 00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:41.099 corn, wasn't it? 450 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.480 like they took the corn, which was absolutely ridiculous. and made 451 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:46.859 it absolutely terrifying. 452 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.000 Yeah. 453 00:19:48.059 --> 00:19:52.079 So we had that sort of terrifying shot where it looks like Mariner 454 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.619 is stabbing shacks and then she turns to look at them and she's 455 00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:59.160 got blood dripping out of her mouth and it's because the Megatos 456 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.000 are poisonous. 457 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:04.920 And in fact, Kirk gets poisoned by one in that Star Trek episode 458 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.980 and she's just sucking the poison out. 459 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:08.880 We'll discover later. 460 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:11.640 It's got a pair of furry. scholarship. 461 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:12.599 Yeah, yeah. 462 00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:15.299 Glowing fairy dice. space fairy nice. 463 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.059 So this is another plot. 464 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:24.359 The guy who was buying the horns is now is now trying to pull a 465 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:30.960 con on the on the crew and successfully does that just about by 466 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:31.980 characters. 467 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.319 It happened every now and again, and not it's track, and there 468 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:35.039 were always a lot of fun. 469 00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:37.200 Do you remember the fella from in the Power Moonlight? 470 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:39.779 Okay, one or 2 arrives? 471 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:43.140 Oh, yeah, girls, you know, he's that sort of character, isn't he? 472 00:20:43.259 --> 00:20:45.720 Well, that's... 473 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.279 When they're trying to disarm the bomb. 474 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:50.640 It's starship down and he's and he's pretending he's not a 475 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.000 criminal. 476 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.140 It says how he is all along. 477 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:54.599 Oh no. 478 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:56.099 Is this the bit where they're fucking? 479 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.200 Because I'll tell you what, I had to turn away at that point. 480 00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:01.380 It's so funny. 481 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.700 So that is coming up. 482 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.000 So the Megato's, what's happened? 483 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:08.640 Oh, no, no, this is where they come across Steve Irwin or 484 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:08.940 something. 485 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.119 So this seems to be a sort of guest star. 486 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:13.980 Was he Australian? 487 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:14.640 His name. 488 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.539 Is it explicit? 489 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.220 I think he's got an English accent. 490 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.079 It's a bad Australia accent. 491 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.980 So he's what, he must be a Tellerite, right? 492 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:25.319 And his name's Patingi. 493 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:29.279 I think he must be, I think he must be English. anyway, but he 494 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.140 gets killed, much like Steve Irwin. 495 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.799 It's a whole thing. 496 00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:35.819 So he says that he's got 5 books on the Megatos, but then it turns 497 00:21:35.819 --> 00:21:38.940 out that he's just read 5 books on the Megatos rather than written 498 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:39.359 them. 499 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:46.319 Okay, so this is Lieutenant Stevens, who is weirdly in love with 500 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:52.200 ransom in a couple of episodes, like he's idolises ransom and he's 501 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:53.339 sort of super pathetic. 502 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.380 He's a bit of a beater, that guy. 503 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.160 What makes all these characters so likeable in it? 504 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.440 There's kind of an innocence about them all, isn't there? 505 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:01.920 Yeah. 506 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.380 It's like a childlike innocence about them all. 507 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.559 And that's a cartoon character thing, isn't it? 508 00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:10.920 They have a child... 509 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:11.759 Rick and Morty. 510 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:15.240 I think I don't think anyone's that innocent in that, but I don't 511 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:16.500 know, these are people that are lovely. 512 00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:18.299 Oh, gosh. 513 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:19.740 Super violent, isn't it? 514 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.539 So they hide away. 515 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.000 And then these 2 McGasso's? 516 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:24.599 that how you say it? 517 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:26.880 Yeah, yeah, Magutu. 518 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:29.339 They start having incredible sex. 519 00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.819 And then another one comes along. 520 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:33.839 You think he's going to join in? 521 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:35.160 He starts having a wank. 522 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.440 I was like, that's terrific. 523 00:22:37.859 --> 00:22:41.220 I just kept thinking, please don't walk in at this point to my 524 00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:42.180 raw. 525 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:45.180 That's why not? 526 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:46.680 That's really funny, that bit. 527 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:48.960 Okay, that's about to happen now, isn't it? 528 00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:53.579 So they're doing a little bit of conversation about having to out 529 00:22:53.579 --> 00:22:57.000 Mariner as a black ops security person. 530 00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:57.599 Here you go. 531 00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:59.039 Here are 2 Magados. 532 00:22:59.099 --> 00:23:00.059 They're about to have sex. 533 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.079 And so they hide in a hollow log and that's where what the Mogados 534 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.720 decide to have sex on. he's taking her from behind. 535 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:08.519 Like, it's a whole... 536 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.220 It's so grim. really very animated. 537 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.200 Oh, it's safe, though. 538 00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:15.480 You know, in like nature documentaries when they show you this 539 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.160 stuff and I'm like, I want to see that. 540 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.259 She's really into it. 541 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.259 Like, she's lying back there with a big smile on her face. 542 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:23.940 Like, she's... 543 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:24.779 Jesus Christ. 544 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:30.000 But then, so the, that's the thing, then another Megado comes 545 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.640 along and they just assume that he's going to try and steal the 546 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:33.660 other one's mate. 547 00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:38.160 And then look at the look at the expression that this guy gives. 548 00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:41.579 He scratches his head and then he just goes, off you go. 549 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.240 Like, he gives you a little off you go, hands and go, and he's 550 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.140 rubbing his horn. 551 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:47.640 Robbing his torn. 552 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.240 God's so... 553 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.859 Oh, so ridiculous. 554 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.380 I think we always end up watching sex on these cartoons, you 555 00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:55.559 know. 556 00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:56.700 Yeah. 557 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.859 Oh, look, there's pretty Jet, who has presumably, oh, no, he's 558 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:04.920 been caught and Kayshon has just punched him in the face. 559 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:06.299 So there you go. 560 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:07.440 She's got another one. 561 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:09.000 Yeah, this is it. 562 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.480 It's just these tiny little vignettes of her popping in to 563 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.119 everybody's lives and doing this medical. 564 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.640 It's just never around long enough to be annoying, is it? 565 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:18.839 It's so cute, this one. 566 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:22.079 Oh, well, she's done, she's done Counsellor Maglimo. 567 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:27.420 I noticed his name on the, on the, on the list, and he's the bird 568 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:31.259 you know, who's the ship's counsellor, who isn't in this episode 569 00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:36.359 because his actor is playing the alien who has had his ship blown 570 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.740 up. booby trap then. 571 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.779 They are a couple episodes. 572 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.319 Yeah. 573 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:44.400 Yep. 574 00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.140 It's quite a good boob trap. 575 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.759 It's like a bear trap, isn't it? 576 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:49.140 Only a space bear trap. 577 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.480 She's absolutely appalled, isn't she? 578 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:53.460 When they're like, we're for a secret spy. 579 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.779 Why? 580 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.759 Because I just happened to catch something one day. 581 00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.559 Yeah, yeah. 582 00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:01.920 No, they're both being idiots and it is a cartoon, so it's kind of 583 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:07.380 forgivable, but in a way, they're a bit beyond this, I think, you 584 00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:07.680 know. 585 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.259 And I think... 586 00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:12.000 I've got to fill the episodes up with something, okay? 587 00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:13.440 Well, that's right. 588 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:16.019 And I think the thing that's kind of really adorable is that 589 00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:22.380 Mariner is so cool and those guys are such dogs and that's why 590 00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:26.039 they believe that she's a secret agent because why would someone 591 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.839 as cool as her want to be friends with them when they're such dogs 592 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:34.079 the way that that resolves itself at the end is beautiful, I 593 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:34.319 think. 594 00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:37.680 Well, I might, I'll say this story about the comedy in this 595 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.559 episode, yeah, and this subplot, they might be behaving like 596 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.779 idiots to believe all of this, yeah. 597 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.240 But the last 2 comedies that we saw were data in generations, and 598 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.799 Mrs. Troy and Manhunt. 599 00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:51.839 And I'll take this over that any day of the week. 600 00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:53.160 Oh, no. 601 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:56.160 I mean, this this goes to show that comedy does work in a Star 602 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.599 Trek context, and I think... 603 00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:58.619 The whole show does, doesn't it? 604 00:25:58.740 --> 00:25:59.759 Yeah, yeah. 605 00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:00.660 Oh, absolutely. 606 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.099 And it's a good place for comedy. 607 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.039 And I think, you know, trouble with tribble shows that it works 608 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.920 and I think it works on Deep Space 9 and stuff as well. 609 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.980 The thing that you always say about Star Trek is, you know, it's 610 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:14.160 like whenever they take it too seriously, we were CGVR 558 and 611 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:14.640 things like that. 612 00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:17.160 And you're like, no, this show's absurd. 613 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.660 Like, stop taking it so seriously. 614 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.619 Is this custom bill for you, this, to lean into all the 615 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:23.940 absurdities of the Star Trek. 616 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.220 Oh, I love that hall on that Ferenki's hit. 617 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.380 He's got a massive ball on his head. 618 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.079 So he's called kink. 619 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.539 Just to prove that he's in charge, you know? 620 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:34.500 Yeah. 621 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.319 But there's not really an environmental. 622 00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:39.420 I'm wondering if they were going to go down that route with this 623 00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.220 episode, you know, and sort of... 624 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.180 Well, it is a little bit because they... 625 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.420 Yeah, well, we know that they're villains because they're they're 626 00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:53.099 hunting and like they rip the baby Megato out of the mother's arms 627 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:53.519 and stuff. 628 00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:55.200 Like, they're really properly horrible. 629 00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:59.279 But then they discover it's more profitable to, you know, run it 630 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.859 as a tourist business and look after the Magata. 631 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:03.299 Isn't that sort of very sweet, I think. 632 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.359 I get why they kind of go down that route, but we did a so much 633 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.720 salvation of the Ferengi in DS9. 634 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.539 Like they're not always portrayed like this in low decks, are 635 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:12.720 they? 636 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:14.819 No, no, no. 637 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.079 And she has a Ferengi friend in an episode who, you know, she's, um 638 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.319 she tricks Boimla with and stuff like that. 639 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.319 Like it's a, yeah, they're not They're not always like this. 640 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.740 It's an obviously scientist friend that Beverly Crusher had into 641 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:29.279 suspicions. 642 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:33.059 Oh, he's very straight. 643 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.720 It's becoming a habit of us discussing suspicions, you know? 644 00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:37.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 645 00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:38.759 We should do it. 646 00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:40.380 We should just go away. 647 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.640 Bad doctor. 648 00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.319 Bad Dr. Talana. 649 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.619 She's cowsing around the ship. 650 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.599 Miaowing like a madman. 651 00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:50.940 It's so brilliant. 652 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.299 And to think that they just didn't invent Dr. Tahana. 653 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.039 They said, oh, we can have a cat alien. 654 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:58.559 It's kind of like, no, we have cat aliens in Star Trek. 655 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.960 We'll just have one of those and she's going to be the doctor and 656 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:01.500 she's so good. 657 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.839 And you know what I love as well? 658 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.299 It's the fact that they make this massive show about chasing it 659 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:08.940 all around the ship. when she does it, she just scans her and she 660 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:10.559 goes, oh, it weren't as bad as a fool. 661 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.000 That's nice, but it's only when she breaks her arm. 662 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:19.980 Like she, like she, she breaks her own arm deliberately and it's 663 00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:24.059 super horrible and then she goes, oh yeah, no. the fact that she 664 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:24.900 just goes off... 665 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.720 That was a bit of an overreaction, wasn't it? 666 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.059 What are these weird, slimy aliens? 667 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.240 Yeah, there's just one of him. 668 00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:40.079 I don't know what he is. you know, we can't really do anything on 669 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.960 the bow Moscow, you know, because they're all realised really 670 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.200 well. 671 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:47.099 Yeah, they all look pretty good, I think. some of them look 672 00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:47.460 amazing. 673 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.119 Yeah, I do like the occasional Beaumari-ish alien. 674 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 675 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:58.019 So this, so the 2 boys, they, she's encouraged them. 676 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.900 She's told them she's not black ops. 677 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.799 She said that they have to be the heroes now. and so they go off 678 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.559 and do it and they do it in the same way as their stupid board 679 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:07.980 game. 680 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:08.519 Here we go. 681 00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:12.720 This is a tendee about to scan in the in the Jefferson. 682 00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:15.599 That's funny, though, is that there are 3 plots here. 683 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:19.380 Her being a spy, the Franklin and the planet, and her doing all of 684 00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:20.220 the medicals. 685 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.440 They're not really tied up thematically, are they? 686 00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.480 No, no, no. 687 00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:28.140 But they, yeah, and in fact, the tandy plot has nothing at all. 688 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.180 Well, I guess, I don't know. 689 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.079 No, not really. 690 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:33.240 But it feels very long, she's true. 691 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.319 A way of talking together. 692 00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:36.119 Because that's what they're doing here. 693 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:40.019 But like, usually, one of my joys with Kurtzman Shrek is how, you 694 00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:43.259 know, you will tie it all together intellectually, thematically. 695 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.259 And as I was watching it, I was going, well, good luck. 696 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.599 Yeah, there's nothing here. 697 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.700 And I mean, they get the, they get the, um, alien who is involved 698 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:57.420 in the blowing up his own ship plot to have just been here and 699 00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:58.980 bought some horns or whatever. 700 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.680 But basically that plots distinct from this as well. 701 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:05.519 Yeah, and they bring out the big gun and the big gun just shows a 702 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:10.500 3D Kurtzman style PowerPoint presentation, you know, on how it's 703 00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:15.420 much more profitable to look after and breed the Megatos than it 704 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:18.000 is to kill them and take their horns. 705 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.839 Did you see those weird ass Ferengi that were in discovery series 706 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:22.319 three? 707 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.480 They had it really strange, didn't they? 708 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.819 I know it was in the future. so fair enough. 709 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.220 I don't know. 710 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.039 I like me a bit of cartoon latex, so we're getting in. 711 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:32.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 712 00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:33.240 Yeah. 713 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:33.900 Yeah. 714 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.759 Yeah, these 2 beautiful nerdy men are negotiating our way to 715 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:40.380 safety using the power of maths. 716 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.140 You know, like... 717 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:43.619 It is. 718 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.460 It's adorable. 719 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:45.599 It's just so sweet. 720 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.640 And it's very Star Treky as well. 721 00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:51.059 It isn't doing anything revolutionary, this episode, is it? 722 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.079 But it is very amiable. 723 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.460 Yeah. 724 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.440 I've just walked away from going, well, that was nice. 725 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:55.980 That was lovely. 726 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.579 Yeah. 727 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:02.700 Well, I think too, that solving the problem not by being a black 728 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:06.539 ops person, but by being good at maths and being able to convince 729 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:09.660 people with your PowerPoint presentation, there you go. 730 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.519 She's gonna heal him all night. 731 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:13.019 She's... 732 00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:14.460 Yeah, I've been... 733 00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.779 It's like Bajoran and a cat. 734 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.980 I bet they're filthy. 735 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.619 No, they are. 736 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.240 And they're both a bit older too. 737 00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:22.440 So they're super filthy. 738 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.220 They know. 739 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.500 Oh, see, now Tendee's being assertive, isn't she? 740 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.460 So like, get away from my patient. 741 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:27.900 Yeah, except it's not her patient. 742 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.200 Look, and she says, so get the fuck out of the way. 743 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.660 This is my patient. 744 00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:38.579 I don't want to drive this point on too much, you know, but we did 745 00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:40.140 watch Generations of Manhub. 746 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.480 This is a fabulous palate cleanser, you know, from that. 747 00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:43.440 Yeah, yeah. 748 00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:46.559 A nice reminder that Star Trek can in fact be good. 749 00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:48.599 Yep. 750 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:53.339 So here, this is how, so she's talking to her husband, Carol 751 00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:54.960 Freeman's talking to Admiral Freeman. 752 00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:55.740 She is, he? 753 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:57.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 754 00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:57.900 Yeah. 755 00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:58.380 Yeah. 756 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:05.700 Um, and he tips her off that that guy Hyde um, was actually 757 00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:09.480 pulling a con and had stolen, you know, like had tricked her into 758 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:14.160 giving her, giving him a shuttle and all of the stuff in her 759 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:14.640 office. 760 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:20.039 And so she's dragging him back and now he'll get a, uh, the same 761 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.960 kind of punishment as um, Cyrano Jones gets in trouble with 762 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.440 tribbles. 763 00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.599 I could literally, the way she's standing there on that bridge 764 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.240 pulling it back like that, I could see Janeway doing that. 765 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.079 Absolutely. 766 00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:32.759 She's great. 767 00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:34.140 I love Captain Freeman. 768 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:34.859 She really awesome. 769 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.519 There you go. 770 00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:40.920 There's just not like, I think the mother and the baby are 771 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.619 reunited and they're happy. you know that's brilliant. 772 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.579 There's more efforts done in those 3.5 seconds than you're adding 773 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.220 that entire original series episode to make those aliens 774 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.759 convincing. 775 00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.019 Oh, yeah, yeah. 776 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.519 So this is adorable. 777 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.839 So she, there, she's joined in on their sort of compromise game 778 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.339 where they have to, you know, negotiate a compromise and it's not 779 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:03.480 that no one wins. 780 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.259 Do you know what I mean? 781 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.720 Everyone is a little bit unhappy with the outcome and that's how 782 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.220 compromises work. 783 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.220 And, you know, Boim was going, do you understand this? 784 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.019 And she goes, oh, no, I don't. 785 00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:14.819 And then she goes to the bar. 786 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:18.000 And then they say, oh my god, she's kicking our ass in this as 787 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:18.359 well. 788 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:24.240 So she's better at this there thing than they are, which I think 789 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:24.900 is pretty great. 790 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.920 And now she's telling a lie about what great. 791 00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.640 The lights going dramatic superheroes they are. 792 00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:36.059 Just so that honours will tell that to the next person who comes 793 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:38.700 along, which is her little gift to them, which is kind of 794 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.240 adorable. 795 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.440 Spreading disinformation, you know, is one of my great joys at 796 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:43.799 work. 797 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:46.380 I managed to convince people last week I've got a twin brother. 798 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:48.480 Oh, really? 799 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.660 Jamie, by all accounts. 800 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.039 Oh, okay. 801 00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:55.259 Does he look like you, identical or fraternal? 802 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.940 Wow, that was terrible. 803 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.460 I literally convinced somebody that I was downstairs. 804 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.140 My twin brother was down, I ran downstairs, put on a fleece 805 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:05.339 started playing music. 806 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.500 That person came down the stairs, looked at me very strange. 807 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.239 I was like, you're right, you see my brother? 808 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.920 Very easy to do, you know, you should do her work. 809 00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.360 That was only for too quickly. 810 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:17.219 I was really enjoying that. 811 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.019 Yeah, it's really fun. 812 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.320 I just think that's a complete... generations, which went on 813 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:22.619 forever. 814 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.440 Yeah, yeah, God. 815 00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:28.920 Yeah, like it just never seemed to end. is really fun. 816 00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:34.019 I'm actually finding too, like as we're recording, prodigy is on 817 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:36.300 at the moment, and it's been really good. 818 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.260 Like it's it's showing the 2nd half of series one, the next sort 819 00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:41.400 of 10 episodes. 820 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.420 And they're short and they're lovely and they are like a kid's 821 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:49.320 cartoon in that there's a very sort of simple arc. you know, it 822 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.320 has to have a proper character arc or it doesn't work and there's 823 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.960 some great action and the plot is developing. 824 00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:55.920 It's been really good. 825 00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:58.260 So, so there's that. 826 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.860 You think there's an ideal link for a Star Trek episode? 827 00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:04.500 Because obviously they're all sort of 25 minutes. 828 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.659 Um, original series comes in between 50 and sort of 55 minutes 829 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:10.440 sometimes. 830 00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:11.820 Yeah, sometimes a bit longer. 831 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:15.539 And 90 straight generally comes in at about 40 minutes, but they 832 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:17.099 can feel a bit padded, can't they? 833 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:17.760 No worries, actually. 834 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:23.039 Like Kurzman Trek is, is, uh, it varies in length and, you know 835 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.500 because it doesn't have to occupy a time slot because it's purely 836 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.159 on streaming. 837 00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:30.000 We've had sort of 35 minute episodes and they've been episodes 838 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.380 much, much longer than that. 839 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.820 And I think, you know, they generally tend to justify their length 840 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.599 I think, because they aren't having to do anything to pad out. 841 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.659 Well, one of the things I love about Kersman trick is they don't 842 00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:45.599 give a toss about sticking to a certain length, do they? 843 00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:47.579 how long does the story need to be? 844 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.500 That's how long this episode will be. 845 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.699 Yeah, whereas, you know, we've seen, or I've seen 90s trick 846 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:55.440 episodes with free plots in it like this. 847 00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:59.099 And honestly, it feels like they're about 5 hours long. 848 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.019 This just goes to show you can do an AB and C in 22 minutes. 849 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.579 Yeah. 850 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:06.179 Yeah. 851 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:11.820 And I think it is a skill and I have a very short attention span 852 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:15.900 and so I'm always happy to watch something that lasts for sort of 853 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:16.679 25 minutes. 854 00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.800 So, mission accomplished, I think. 855 00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:22.139 Well, I hate to tell you this, but whatever we're going to watch 856 00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:23.460 next is probably going to be a bit longer. 857 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.739 Yeah, imagine it will be. 858 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.900 Oh well, I'm ready for it. 859 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:28.619 Me too. 860 00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:37.139 It's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out what 861 00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:38.579 we're going to watch next. 862 00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:43.980 And, Joe, you have control of the button, so tell me how you're 863 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:45.000 going to approach it this time. 864 00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:48.719 Well, we did a marvellous original series episode, Trouble 865 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.320 Drawals. 866 00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:54.059 We did a dreadful Star Trek, the Next Generation movie, Generations 867 00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:57.179 and even more dreadful Star Trek, the Next Generation episode 868 00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:57.840 Manhunt. 869 00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.059 And then we dipped our toes into Kurtzman Trek. 870 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.739 So there's only one way we can possibly go next. 871 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.679 I'll just put everything in Anime series. 872 00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:05.280 I know. 873 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:06.179 I'll just pay it for you. 874 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.219 I like doing that. 875 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.260 I like it because then it bounces back too. 876 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.519 Anyway, shall I press it? 877 00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:12.780 Okay, all right. 878 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.739 Here goes. 879 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.440 Well, we ain't going here, that's for sure. 880 00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:18.480 It's Star Trek Voyager. 881 00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:20.460 Season five, episode five. 882 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.619 Once upon a time. 883 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.320 Oh, I don't even know what that is. 884 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.000 It's a Neelix and Naomi Wildman episode. where they head into the 885 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.320 holodeck and meet. 886 00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:33.059 It's basically an editorium tree. 887 00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:35.219 It's the inferior version of cost of living. 888 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.139 Yeah, okay. 889 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:37.619 All right. 890 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.119 Agonisingly terrible. 891 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:39.960 Let's not do that. 892 00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:41.460 Oh, dear. 893 00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.900 Oh, bugger it. 894 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:48.179 Okay, your random subject, D Space 9 episode is series four 895 00:37:48.179 --> 00:37:54.420 episode three, the visitor. have to do that. 896 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.599 We've just done a big role, right? 897 00:37:57.659 --> 00:38:00.000 We just want to yell at us. 898 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.320 We just want the CGI. 899 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.400 Oh, it is amazing. 900 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:06.480 Yeah, but that was terrible. 901 00:38:06.539 --> 00:38:07.079 This is good. 902 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.800 It's so good. 903 00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:12.360 Okay, all right, okay. 904 00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.559 We could never roll it again. 905 00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:16.320 There's like 870 episodes out there. 906 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:18.300 No, like it's, uh... 907 00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:22.380 No, like that never... dramatis persona and things like that, isn't 908 00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:22.559 it? 909 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.420 That's right. 910 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.619 That's right. 911 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.179 Getting a good episode is a statistical rarity. 912 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.039 Do you imagine this? 913 00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:33.179 Well, one is going to be a visitor. 914 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.039 Star Trek, these based on episode? 915 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.500 It could be. 916 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.019 It has been a while since I've seen it. 917 00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:45.239 Um, but I do remember being massively affected by it, and you've 918 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:51.179 got Tony Todd as old Jake, and it is that thing. 919 00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:53.400 It's one of those things. 920 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.539 Star Trek Discovery does an episode like that, the name of which I 921 00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:00.900 can't remember in series 4, where they take a character's grief 922 00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:06.420 and they make it real by inventing a complicated science fiction 923 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.340 thing to make it happen. 924 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:13.019 And so you've got this kind of time thing which is all explained 925 00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:19.380 through hand waving and is specifically designed to show you what 926 00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:20.460 grief is like. 927 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.239 And I think that's really something. 928 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.739 And so, you know, I think it's just a terribly affecting episode 929 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:33.179 with some great performances, like 3 central great performances. 930 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.739 I've always found it very moving. 931 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:39.900 I lost my mum 3 years ago, 3 years ago, yesterday, funnily enough 932 00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:47.159 and um, I watched it for the 1st time this year since I lost my 933 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.860 mum and it works on a whole different level. 934 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:55.019 Like the grief that he goes through and oh, and it takes a lot for 935 00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:56.400 television to make me cry. 936 00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:59.099 Like, I'm a bit hard when it comes to watching television. 937 00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:04.860 And I, that last scene between the older Jake and Cisco, where you 938 00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.300 realise he's committing suicide. 939 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.880 I was absolute, I was in pieces. 940 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.780 Yeah. 941 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.699 Yeah. 942 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:16.260 I think I may have been in a similar situation to you when I 1st 943 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:18.480 watched this when it 1st came out. 944 00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:24.000 Um, and Unlike you, I cried all sorts of things. 945 00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:27.780 I listened to an audio documentary about the music for Star Wars 946 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:29.820 and or and I was in tears for most of that. 947 00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:34.800 So like I, you know, I cry at the drop of a hat, but the grief 948 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.880 thing, you know, like, like when it's particularly present, I 949 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.300 think, you know, that sort of thing is hugely affecting. 950 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.159 And I think it's absolutely worth doing an episode at this point 951 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.360 of DS 9. 952 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:51.960 This is right at the start of series 4 and this is where it 953 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.920 basically stepped up a notch. and became a lot of people's 954 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:56.460 favourites. 955 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.679 You know, this is where it was at its most confident. 956 00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:00.539 Yeah, okay, let's do it. 957 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.340 Yeah, okay, brilliant. 958 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:02.820 Let's do that. 959 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.019 You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 960 00:41:13.019 --> 00:41:14.039 and Nathan Bottomley. 961 00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:17.219 We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find 962 00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:19.739 links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel. 963 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.340 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was 964 00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:24.840 composed by Cavern Lamb. 965 00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:28.860 This episode was recorded on the 19th of December 2022 and 966 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:30.599 released on the 30th of December. 967 00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:34.500 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, the visitor. 968 00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.980 Jesus Christ. 969 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.099 How are you going for once upon a time? 970 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.840 to the visitor. 971 00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:02.699 That's what we that's Star Trek. 972 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:03.780 Do you know what I mean? 973 00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:06.840 It goes wildly. 974 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.480 Let's do an animated series one after that. 975 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:14.460 Interestingly, the 2nd the 2nd episode of Voyages. 976 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.519 4 Season, the Gift. 977 00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:18.599 I really like as well. 978 00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:20.039 I don't like them as much as the visitor of. 979 00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:22.679 I think it's really, and I think they're in a similar situation 980 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.380 where they kind of hit a point where they suddenly are very 981 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:25.980 confident. 982 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.820 They do Scorpion, then they do the gift and then 4 and 5 are 983 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.800 generally speaking, really good. 984 00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:34.500 The gift is strange, isn't it? 985 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:38.820 Because it is that sort of letting her go. thing, like there's an 986 00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:41.099 urgency about her departure. 987 00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:45.840 There's a scene between her and Janeway and her quarters, where 988 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.840 Janeway can just, she can't even hold back the tears because she 989 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.179 knows the case of saying, I've got to go and I've got to explore 990 00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:51.420 this. 991 00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:53.579 That's really good. 992 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.900 But yeah, visitors really heavy heating though, isn't it? 993 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.340 Yeah, and it probably lets us talk about Avery and Sirok as well 994 00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:03.659 that relationship. 995 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.420 Aaron Eisenberg is brilliant, isn't it? 996 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.579 That's great well building. 997 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:09.420 Yeah, it's good. 998 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:09.659 Yeah. 999 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.280 You're right, you're right. 1000 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:12.480 I was going to press it again. 1001 00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:13.320 You've convinced me. 1002 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.800 You'd be convincing me to do a DS9 episode. 1003 00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:18.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1004 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:19.380 No, no, that's fine. 1005 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.900 And I didn't I didn't like AR 558. 1006 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.599 We have done a lot of deep say so lately, but I mean, who's going 1007 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.039 to complain about us doing the visitor? 1008 00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:28.320 It's hugely important. 1009 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:29.159 Yeah. 1010 00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:30.119 All right. 1011 00:43:30.179 --> 00:43:34.320 So I'll tell you what I'm going to do. stop recording. 1012 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.039 Yeah. 1013 00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.519 Yeah.