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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, it's Christmas, and we are doing what I think is probably Star Trek's only Christmas movie, and that is Star Trek Generation.

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Why Christmas movie?

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Well, there's that Christmas tree in it and all of that sort of thing a bit later on in a bit that we will undoubtedly talk about when we get there.

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Oh, we will fucking talk about that bit.

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I'm telling you.

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Well, and also the fact that I thought in the future there was no religion.

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Why do we have a Christmas sequence?

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Well, Christmas isn't that religious anymore.

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Star Trek famously shies away from Christmas, you know.

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I dont know if you notice this.

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There's no Christmas specials or anything like that, is there?

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That's true.

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No, but I'm desperately excited because it is our 1st Star Trek movie.

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It's basically the only area of the franchise that we haven't got our grubby little fingers on yet.

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Yep.

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And we've started with an absolute zinger.

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So this is a pivotal moment though, isn't it?

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This is the transition from television to movies for the next generation, and the impossible has happened.

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A 2nd Star Trek crew has gone on voyages all around the galaxy and have proven to be even more popular than the original series, I would say, you know.

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And at this point, Post Series 7 of Next Generation and before this is the zenith, I would say, of popularity in Star Trek.

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So this movie had a lot riding on its shoulders.

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Can this crew successfully make this leap from television to movies?

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What do you think the answer is?

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Yeah, not really.

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What do you think the problem is?

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I think the problem is that we just have the same creatives doing this and we're starting to shoot at just weeks after finishing all good things.

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And so it's not.

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On the same set?

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Yeah, it's not sufficiently different.

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And it is just a little bit too much like a big episode.

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And it's not just the production that makes it that way, but just the way that it's written and the way that it's shot.

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I just think it's not as interesting as it should have been for the 1st movie.

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What was um, what was your birth episode of TOS?

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was Turn about Intruder, wasn't it?

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So yeah, so I, the turnabout intruder is the only episode of TOS that was released during my lifetime.

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So I was born just before it came out.

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So that was the last episode of the original series.

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Yeah.

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And then you skipped to the emotion picture.

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And I'm telling you now, there's a fair chasm between the two.

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But you go from all good things to generations.

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And I'll tell you what, it's only a tiny little leap from one to the other.

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Yeah.

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And so the motion picture is about a thing.

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It's about the crew coming back together, being brought back together to confront something that was sort of ripped off an original Star Trek episode.

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But, but it's an event.

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It's a huge event and the crew coming together is interesting.

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We get to see where they've been and we get to see them meet one another again and board the Enterprise.

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We get to be excited about Star Trek in this new medium for the 1st time.

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This one is to be introduced to that sexy new enterprise in a prolonged sequence that takes 15.5 minutes. very prolonged.

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But here it's just the following week, you know, we did all good things and now it's, you know, Stardate 48, something or other and, you know, it's business as usual, I think.

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I think the only massive difference is the budget.

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That's it.

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I think in some places you can see that and in upper places, not so much.

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And I think the problem is, is because we are on the stand, it says.

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I think if you think of this movie, As a TV movie that's bridging the gap between because this is where they destroy those sets and that enterprise goes down and then we do get what I consider to be a movie in inverted commas in 1st contact with the new enterprise and it feels incredibly cinematic and epic and all the things this probably should have been.

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If you sort of think of this as a bridge between the two.

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But that really wasn't what this was supposed to be.

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No.

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No.

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And it is the problem, which is going to be increasingly a problem with the franchise going forward, is that we just have the same creatives doing everything from now on.

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And that will sort of peter out in series 4 of enterprise.

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And, you know, like I think they try and get new people in to do nemesis, but by then it's too late and we've all stopped caring, I think.

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Well, this is written by Ronald D. Moore of TNG and DS9 and Brandon Braga of TNG Voyager and Enterprise.

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So in terms of like 90s TV.

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This is, you know, this is your pedigree, isn't it?

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These are the ones.

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These are big creatives.

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Yeah.

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And it's directed by David Carson, who impressed with yesterday's Enterprise.

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Our 1st episode is incredibly well directed.

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Yeah, for a television episode.

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And when we talked about how well lit that was.

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Yes, yeah, yeah.

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We'll come back to that in this movie, all right?

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Yeah, I think we mentioned it at the time, actually, that he goes on to do generations and that he uses some of the tricks he's learned about lighting these sets in generations and clearly he's allowed to do that.

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I mean, if you were just, you know, Rick Colby, who was coming in to do an episode for a month, he wasn't going to be allowed to change the way the standing sets were lit.

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His creative freedom as a director required him to still adhere to the house style.

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And because we had a sort of parallel universe thing or an alternate timeline thing in yesterday's enterprise, that gave Carson the chance to do something a little bit more interesting.

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And here he's allowed to do something more interesting, but it is still the same sets that we're used to seeing.

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So distracting.

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We'll talk about that because I'm so used to seeing the sort of beige bland overhead lighting on all these sets.

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There's something to see them that shot in interesting ways with interesting lighting. really, really weird.

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But also, as well, Carson impressed with emissary.

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He directed emissary for DS9.

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And that actually, and think about this, that had a 3rd of the budget of this movie that had nearly 20000000 thrown at it.

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And I think visually, emissary is actually a lot more interesting than generations.

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But like Carson had basically said, Stall, and they knew he was, you know, a good pair of hands, and if you throw a bit of money at him, can deliver the goods.

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So they think they've got, you know, their best writers.

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They think they've got one of their best directors.

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They throw £60000000 at this movie.

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Let's see what you can do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, let's see.

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Well, I have to say, I have been I've watched this nearly 3 times now this week.

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Thank you for yourself.

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I know.

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Thank you, thank you.

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Well, I wanted to listen to the commentaries.

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I wanted to watch it and then I listened to the commentary with Moore and Braga, then I wanted to listen to the commentary with David Carson just to see everybody's different opinions.

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Obviously, I watched it the 1st time myself and thought it was fucking dreary.

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The 2nd time I watched it, it's more at Braga and there, it's way after this was like they've left the franchise.

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So they can be honest, then they basically spent 2 hours going, well, what went wrong, Ron?

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What went wrong, Brannan, you know?

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But they're doing a lot of interesting things to say.

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And I will drop a lot of the trivia that they talk about.

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And Carson talks with Manny Koto, who went on to show run Enterprise season four.

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And that's a massive love in because Carson's obviously justifiably proud of what he did here.

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And Manicoto is a huge Star Trek fan.

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So, but the tone of the 2 commentaries.

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It's so different.

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It is worth listening to it.

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It does mean you have to experience the film a couple of times though, unfortunately.

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As a result.

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Look, I mean, I don't think it's a good film and I think it makes a lot of mistakes, but I would be lying if I said that I hated it or that I didn't have some kind of sentimental attachment to it.

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And the one saving grace of watching it this time was getting to spend time with the next generation crew, who I acknowledge are not necessarily the best Star Trek crew overassembled, but they were my 1st Star Trek crew and I kind of love them.

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And I know, you know, they, we're going to see them next year in Star Trek, Picard, and all of that sort of thing, like I'm excited to see them in this.

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And, yeah, like they're not always as good as they could be, but they're still fun to be had just hanging out with them, I think.

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I mean, I do hope that next year in series 3 and Star Trek, Picard, that is their last outing.

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I mean, they do have one foot in the grave now this bunch.

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Well, I mean, they're older, but that's all right, and I think they look pretty good.

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I tell you what, I think Michael Dawn's looking pretty fine in the Klingon makeup with the white beard.

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He's looking pretty great.

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You're going to say, XC.

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You know, like watching Picard recently and then going back and watching this movie where they're sort of a lot younger and vibrant and up for the movie and things like that, you know.

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Yeah.

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It is nice.

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But I think, and we'll get there.

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I do think when the next gen crew hits this movie. that unfortunately, that is where it takes a dramatic downturning quality.

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I would pick its dramatic downturn in quality a bit later than that, but I do think that they make mistakes. by any chance?

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Yeah, yeah, that's just dismal.

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That's so boring. thinking.

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Well, look, should we start this thing?

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Yeah, I think we should.

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I'll um...

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We've got too long hours to get through.

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As ever, I will say, the pain is somewhat numbed by the fact that you are holding my hand doing this with me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, and the listeners are suffering everyone with us.

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So there's that too.

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Oh, that always has an extra layer of enjoyment.

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All right. count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Here we go.

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Okay.

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Paramount logo.

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Yeah, just in case we ever forget where this came from.

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Yes.

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Not Paramount anymore, is it?

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Is it?

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Well, it's CBS, but it's Paramount.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's screens on CBS.

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It's Paramount because it's on Paramount Park.

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Oh, this is on Param Plus.

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Yeah, okay.

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Okay.

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So I have to say that I did say this off my, but I'm going to say it again on my, because it's a point worth making, that most Star Trek movies do start with a fantastic, you know, creative hook, like the probe coming in at the beginning of Star Trek Voyager, something like that.

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This could be a probe.

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We don't know that yet.

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It's a fucking bottle of champagne.

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And it flies through space for what feels like 10 minutes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it's a kind of gag though, isn't it?

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I mean, it sort of works as a visual gag.

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Normally, your expectation is that, I mean, like in a Star Wars film, it always starts with a Starfield and a spaceship coming in.

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Um, and here, I think we expect a probe or something like that.

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And so it is a gag.

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I mean, at this point, I'm just seeing Gates as credit in opening things and you can just see the, um, you can just see that it's a bottle, I think, probably if you already know that at this point.

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Malcolm McDowell.

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I would like to say that the music in this movie, the theme I thought was particularly good, but I thought the music was really strong throughout, and they've used one of the TV musicians, I think.

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So it's Dennis McCarthy is doing the music.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He did a lot of TV trek in the 90s.

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Well, he also wrote the Deep Space 9 theme, which he basically just shamelessly reuses as the theme for this.

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So this introductory music is very kind of nondescript.

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But when he comes in for the big theme, it's just the deep.

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Space 9 theme, essentially.

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And I feel a bit sad that he didn't use the opportunity to do the original theme that he did for Star Trek, the next generation.

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Do you remember?

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Do you remember that?

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Oh, God, we were going to use that on this podcast.

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Yeah, yeah.

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When I edited the 1st few episodes to see whether it would work.

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No, don't...

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Let's be honest.

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We both fell in love with that dreadful music.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But partly because it was super terrible.

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Thank goodness, we fell in love with the piece of music that was created for us because I would hate for that to be...

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, that's really terrific, but goodness me, the Dennis McCarthy theme is really quite terrible.

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Did you notice that that champagne dates from just before the Enterprise's 1st, you know, the 1st five-year mission?

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It's 2265.

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And so, yeah.

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Star Trek has sped about a 100 years after it's broadcast.

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And so that's why that...

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It's finally smashed into the hull of that ship.

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Yes.

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Oh, so that's a glacial beginning, I'm afraid, right?

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So we have a lot of people here and a lot of people who are sort of very familiar.

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And this is our 1st sort of view of journalists and Kurtzman Trek continues to have journalists and we've seen them in sort of various contexts, but that's actually quite a new thing here.

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Yeah, I can only think of Jake. in DS 9.

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I mean, like, generally, so I can think of.

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Yeah, but remember there's the Federation News Network and stuff showing the Attack on Mars in that short Treks episode that we did, for instance.

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Ah, yeah.

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And in the 1st episode of Picard as well.

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You know, he's interviewed by a journalist and stuff.

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So we do still have journalism in the future.

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But there are some very familiar faces here because Tim Russ is up the back somewhere.

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We've got some lines later on.

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Jerry turns up in a couple of episodes, you know, before he was on Voyager.

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I think they're just like using him.

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Yeah, well he's very good.

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He's in Starship Mine, where he's the kind of chief villain, I think.

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He really great.

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And he's just the chief Klingon villain in DS9's innovasive procedures and he's brilliant Klingon.

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So, um, Jeanette Goldstein, who played, um, John Connor's kind of foster mother in Terminator 2 and who played Vazquez in Aliens, uh, who sort of is a redhead.

221
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She is at one of the stations and she gets a few lines as well.

222
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Well, that's a bit of a, given a pedigree.

223
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That's a bit of a waste, isn't it?

224
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Yeah, yeah, it's around about the time that she's appearing in lots of films, in lots of sort of genre films and stuff.

225
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I mean, the shocking thing is her last name's Goldstein and she's playing the kind of aggressively Latina Vazquez in aliens, which is pretty great.

226
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One thing that Moore says during the commentary is that what annoyed him about TNG on the television was that they just never were allowed enough extras.

227
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Whenever there was a meeting about cutting money, they would always cut extras and they would always want it to be like thriving the Enterprise 10 forward or the planets that they go to.

228
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And what you end up with is about 5 people in the corner and say, you know.

229
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Whereas throughout this movie, there's just lots of people in every scene, in this scene in particular.

230
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Yeah, well, remember that we noticed that in yesterday's enterprise, that in yesterday's enterprise, the ship is very, very full of people.

231
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And I guess they're not doing any other sets and they're saving up money and stuff in order to do it.

232
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Tim Ross in the background of that shot.

233
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I like how both Harriman and Kirk kind of fondle the captain's chair one after the other before he goes to Singapore.

234
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Oh, we've been in the presence of the great William Shatner this long, and we haven't mentioned him yet.

235
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Well, he's only doing a couple of lines.

236
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He's actually pretty great, I think, in this part of the film.

237
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And he's very shatnery.

238
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He's very much more like Shatner than he is like Kirk, and I guess he's turned into a bit of a blowhard, you know, like he has in real life at this point.

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I love the fact that he's constantly having to restrain himself because he's so used to calling the shots and he's being respectful of the new captain at the Enterprise.

240
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And even when the shit hits the fan, he's still like keeping himself under, and the 2nd he goes, look, I could do with some help here.

241
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He's out of that chair and doing his thing, you know?

242
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I really like this Excelsior class design.

243
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It looks really hefty.

244
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I'm like, see, but if I say, I don't really notice the different styles of spaceship.

245
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They just all look the same to me.

246
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So that had been in maybe Star Trek five, I think, was the USSXLsior that had the Transwarp engine that they, um, I can't even remember now.

247
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But I think it might have been Star Trek 5 and we do see it from time to time in Next Generation.

248
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So they're still around then.

249
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This fella here playing the captain.

250
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Have I seen him in other movies?

251
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He's a very familiar face.

252
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He is in Ferris Bueller's day off, which I have never seen.

253
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Of course he is.

254
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Yes, yes.

255
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Oh, I have.

256
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It was a lot of fun.

257
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Yeah.

258
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And I think he's really great.

259
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And there is some proper comedy to be had with the Tuesday thing.

260
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You know, like he goes, oh, you've come out of space doc without a transporter beam.

261
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And he says, yeah, well, it's being installed next Tuesday and that becomes a kind of running gag in that scene, which I think is nice.

262
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I, so this is Demora Sulu as well, we see at the helm, right?

263
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And in Star Trek beyond, remember in Star Trek beyond the Yorktown is being threatened, you know, and so, um, Sulu's husband is on the Yorktown with their baby daughter.

264
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And so I just thought, is that her name?

265
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They don't give her name, but I'm just assuming that they've got a baby daughter because it's Demorris Sulu.

266
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I know, because I figured the inference here was that Sulu was straight and had a wife and they'd had a child.

267
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I think, I think that was probably what, what, more and black it was.

268
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

269
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Yeah.

270
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And in fact, Sully reacted reasonably badly to having John Cho.

271
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Is it John Cho who plays solo in the films, to having that version of Sulu be gay?

272
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He didn't actually like that.

273
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George Decay.

274
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Yeah.

275
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What did I say?

276
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Yeah, George, she just called him Sulu.

277
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You called him Sue.

278
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Okay.

279
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

280
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Yeah, yeah.

281
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The lines are blurring here some.

282
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Well, in fact, Sulu ship, I think, is an Excelsior class ship in Star Trek 6.

283
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Don't you remember when he comes into Voyager in flashback in series three?

284
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Yeah.

285
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He looks straight to the camera and goes, oh my God. doesn't he?

286
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Great.

287
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Can I make a direct comparison between this movie and the Doctor Who television movie that was filmed out in Vancouver?

288
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Ah yeah, yeah, okay.

289
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I think it is a problem in the Doc 2 TV movie that instead of just giving the new Dr. Paul McGann. his own movie that they chose to do a transitionary movie between Sylvester McCoy and Paul McGann.

290
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I think it is a problem in generations that they chose to do a transitionary movie between the original series and the next generation.

291
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And I think that they probably would have got off on a better foot had they gone straight in for something like 1st contact and just said, we're here.

292
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We're the show.

293
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We're a movie.

294
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Yeah, we're just going to go.

295
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Because do you know what?

296
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This is the best part of this movie for me.

297
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Yeah, I mean, the problem...

298
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The original series.

299
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Yeah, but the problem is that it's just basically the 3 people who are willing to do it come back and you don't get Spock or Bones, who are obviously the 2 other important crew apart from Kirk.

300
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And Spock didn't want to do it.

301
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They toyed with the idea of getting him to direct it, didn't they?

302
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And he didn't want to do that.

303
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They do.

304
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Apparently, more Ambracco were both coming through the car park after Nemoy had had his conversation with Rick Berman, and he wouldn't even look him in the eye because he basically said, I do not want a bit part in this movie, and I won't direct it if I don't have any creative control over the movie.

305
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I don't just want to be given a script.

306
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Like, I think he had a firm creative hand in the ones he directed before.

307
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So yeah, he just washed his hands of it completely.

308
00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:57.420
And so this is a kind of a bit of a sad, like, I think there's a, there's a very cute moment where um, Chekhov 1st sees Dimora and goes, I was never that young and, and the, you know, Kirk puts his hand on his shoulder and says, oh, you were younger.

309
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And all of that stuff, I think, is lovely.

310
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Like, it is lovely to see them again.

311
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But I just think like this, this film is thematically muddy.

312
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I don't know what it's about.

313
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It's probably about ageing and stuff like that.

314
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You know, Kirk's retired and he's dissatisfied and he, you know, we've got the Kirk doesn't have a family.

315
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Which isn't it, in the movie?

316
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Yeah. isn't it?

317
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Sort of after TOS after the five-year mission.

318
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He's getting older.

319
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They kind of wanted to have a bit of a desk job at this point, don't they?

320
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Yeah, stop, you know. marauding around the galaxy.

321
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And they give him reading glasses, remember?

322
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and stuff like that.

323
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Like they tried.

324
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I love that.

325
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So good.

326
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So terrific.

327
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Well, I think the problem with the motion picture is.

328
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I think that feels like, well, okay, you know, we're still in TOS land and we're going off an adventure and it don't quite work because everyone's a bit older and it's all very different.

329
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In the 2nd movie, they're like, okay, let's play into the fact that they are all a bit older.

330
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And the nostalgia of going off on another great adventure and that works a lot better.

331
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.299
Well, and the films are solid.

332
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.460
Like I'm people don't rate three.

333
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I think 3 is okay, 2 and 4, obviously, great. where they where they steal the ship.

334
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Yeah.

335
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:21.660
Well, that trilogy is really, really terrifically strong and those characters are so wonderful together.

336
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And, you know, it's not business as usual.

337
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I can't think of a more of an endorsement of that crew than them all coming together, to defy Starfleet orders, to steal the ship, to go and say Spark.

338
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It's wonderful.

339
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Yeah.

340
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We're about to have the tie here between the two, which is Guynan. who's in both the original series scenes and Malcolm McDonald.

341
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The nation rich ones.

342
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Yeah.

343
00:23:46.740 --> 00:23:51.779
Yeah, Malcolm McDowell, which I think is a solid choice.

344
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Because he's a good actor and also uncle to city girl for deal.

345
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Yeah, I must say. strange.

346
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Apparently they have Christmas together.

347
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

348
00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:10.019
But something goes, we'll talk a bit more about sorry later on, I'm sure, because there isn't a lot of this movie.

349
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:11.880
Something don't quite...

350
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I think they're going for a con and it ain't no con.

351
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No.

352
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:20.279
And I think that the films tend to go for these villains, don't they?

353
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:28.380
So Star Trek 3 has, um, Christopher Watts's face, um, you know, the Doc Brown from...

354
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:29.460
Oh, Christopher Plummer, isn't it?

355
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:30.000
No, no, no.

356
00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:31.619
Christopher Plummer is in Star Trek six.

357
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.019
Christopher Lloyd is in Star Trek 3.

358
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Oh, yeah.

359
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.319
Do you know what?

360
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:39.779
He does everything but say, great Scott, doesn't he?

361
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:40.740
He's so good.

362
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.240
And, and, you know, you've got Ricardo Montalban, obviously, in Star Trek 2.

363
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:48.779
And so you do have these big villains in the Star Trek films.

364
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And of these films do we have, there are 3, uh, there are 3 next, 4 next generation films, 3 of which have big villains.

365
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:03.240
So you've got Or do they two?

366
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:04.200
I guess two.

367
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:06.180
Well, no, no, no, they do.

368
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.079
I mean, you get the ball queen in 1st contact, you get the fellow with the stretchy face.

369
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:11.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

370
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.900
Abraham, I mean, all.

371
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.339
He's a great actor.

372
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah I know, but the character is so forgettable.

373
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Yeah.

374
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.599
And then you get Australia's Eric Banner in Nemesis.

375
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Who's that?

376
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:27.960
He's Nero, the Romulan guy with the big shit.

377
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.299
No, I'm thinking of the guy who plays the young Picard.

378
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:31.559
You know, the really famous actor.

379
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:33.480
Oh, yeah, no, maybe that's the next film.

380
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:34.859
Maybe that's not nemesis.

381
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.680
Oh, it's pretty Tom Hardy, my celebrity boyfriend.

382
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.079
Oh, beautiful.

383
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:40.500
Yeah.

384
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.359
Well, he's too skinny in that film.

385
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:42.900
But you know what?

386
00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:43.619
Bulks up later.

387
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.619
None of them are as memorable, though.

388
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.380
I don't think. something just doesn't quite click.

389
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.700
You get old Cumberbatch, don't you, in the 2nd of the winter movies?

390
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.779
Yeah, yeah.

391
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:55.500
Shocking.

392
00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:05.039
But it's not really, I mean, it sort of works with, it works with Montalban, and that's a shame because it's not really how Star Trek works.

393
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:13.559
And so the films end up being like just big, dumb adventure films and that's fun and it's fun seeing the accrue to it.

394
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:18.720
But Star Trek 4 isn't a big, dumb adventure film, Star Trek 6 isn't a big, dumb adventure film.

395
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:23.099
You know, occasionally they remember that it's supposed to be a Mount Star Trek.

396
00:26:23.339 --> 00:26:25.079
But you know what?

397
00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:32.579
I think half the problem as well with this being a next generation movie is, you go back and watch TOS and it's often poorly staged.

398
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.680
There is a lot of action in TOS.

399
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:39.900
But they don't hold back from, you know, fight sequences and things like, remember, the doomsday machine.

400
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.319
It was just full of, you know, shuttles being eaten and things like this.

401
00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:51.240
Next generation, it was attempting to be a bit more cerebral and talking. wasn't it, you know, character drama and things like that.

402
00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:55.319
So suddenly they've got this massive stage that they can do on this big budget.

403
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.359
They don't feel very next gen.

404
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.160
No, no.

405
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:13.200
And I think the thing with NextGen too is that NextGen was a successful TV series in its own lifetime, whereas the original series becomes successful in syndication, which is why it only lasts for 3 years.

406
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:21.299
Um, And, you know, we're just used to a certain level of kind of boredom watching.

407
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.519
It just seems kind of, it does seem weird to have so much action and it's kind of nice.

408
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:39.240
Although I've got to say, you know, in in the 2nd off of this movie, which does attempt to get a little bit more thoughtful and symbolic and characterful and henceforth is extremely boring.

409
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:48.539
The bit that I absolutely love is when the enterprise crashes, which is the most un TNG like sequence I can think of, but it's absolutely incredible.

410
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:49.619
Yeah.

411
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:50.339
Yeah.

412
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.400
Yeah, it's it is funny, isn't it?

413
00:27:53.460 --> 00:28:00.240
It is, I think this film really, really suffers from not allowing the show to have a rest and then come back.

414
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:15.480
And, you know, I think you said to me before, or I must have read on memory alpha, that, that, um, more and Braga actually think that all good things went better. say that.

415
00:28:15.539 --> 00:28:16.619
They said that, yeah.

416
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:18.779
But they said, why didn't we make that as the movie?

417
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.599
That's more sophisticated storytelling than we do here.

418
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:26.339
Like, well, I think the reason is that it's such fun, wank.

419
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:32.460
You know, like what is a normal person going to even make of that when they go to see it?

420
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.660
It's about the next generation.

421
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.940
August Things is about the next generation.

422
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.619
It's a celebration of the next generation.

423
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.099
I know, it needs to be the final episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

424
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.539
They do need to do something different.

425
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.700
They need to go off because this is the 1st film in a series in a way.

426
00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:52.740
And I think there is a problem with, so we've killed Kirk, by the way.

427
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:58.140
Well, so this would have been an incredibly unsatisfying depth because we didn't even see it.

428
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:02.220
It was off camera and it's just their reactions to it.

429
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.900
I think it is a better day.

430
00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:04.380
Somehow.

431
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:10.259
Well, I was about to say, somehow, the death that we actually see later in the movie is even worse.

432
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.619
Whereas, I mean, this one kind of works, doesn't it?

433
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:26.460
Because they're doing it to save people and Captain Kirk, who is feeling unhappy about not being a captain anymore, gets to be a captain for one last heroic time.

434
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.599
All right.

435
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:31.440
So here we are on the Enterprise. 78 years later.

436
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:36.960
Now, I always feel like they just wanted a jolly on a ship for 5 days.

437
00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.839
I was, oh, less than amount on a boat, you know, we'll film something.

438
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:52.079
Well, I think that this is a very clear statement that this isn't a TV show now because we could never, ever have afforded to do this in a 1000000 years on the sort of budget that Star Trek, the Next Generation, had.

439
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:59.339
So they're very, very definitely showing us these characters for the 1st time in an environment that they could never, ever have afforded to realise.

440
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.140
And it's impressive.

441
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.759
I think the scene is shocking.

442
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.400
Like, Jesus is horrible.

443
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:08.279
But like, like, okay, fine. if that's your statement.

444
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:14.759
We want to show something visually that we can never do on our original budget, but then find a creative reason to do it.

445
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:16.019
No, that's right.

446
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.119
But instead they're just hazing wharf.

447
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:22.079
And this thing, this sort of bullshit thing with Riker reading out this proclamation.

448
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:30.059
And it's the usual Star Trek thing of, you know, you are the finest crew that it's ever been my honour to serve with and all of that sort of bullshit.

449
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.539
And it's so crap and it's so kind of...

450
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.079
Oh my god, get that, get the plank out, computer, remove the plank.

451
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.539
It's like you always said, every time TNG tries to be funny or 90s track tries to be funny.

452
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.160
It's fairly agonising.

453
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:48.779
And may I say they make that leap over to the movies with spectacular success.

454
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.619
Right.

455
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:58.440
These starters you mean to go on, everything that thinks it's going to be funny in this movie is instead going to be butt clenchingly embarrassing.

456
00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:06.660
Do you know what I think is the only funny moment in all of these TNG movies is the bit where they left.

457
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:07.980
No.

458
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.460
It's the bit where they left the camera, Marina, in 1st contact.

459
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.700
She had a few gins and they said, oh, quick, she's pissed.

460
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:15.539
Keep filming her.

461
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.700
She's so funny.

462
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:19.559
It's just her absolutely rat-assed.

463
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:21.059
And she's hitting.

464
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.859
She's hitting Riker.

465
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:25.319
Oh, it's brilliant.

466
00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:30.299
But any other comedy, especially in this movie, especially anything featuring data.

467
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.180
Oh, yeah, it was pretty agonising.

468
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:42.779
Although there are 2 bits that Data does that I secretly really like, even though I don't think either the writing or Brent's performance are very good.

469
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.460
Are we supposed to be just enjoying the fact that they're having a bit of fun here?

470
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.420
Is that the idea of this?

471
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:56.279
Yeah, yeah, but they're having fun in the world's most miserable and kind of, well, I don't know, just such a, I don't know.

472
00:31:56.339 --> 00:31:57.900
Why can't they have fun in a farm?

473
00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:02.400
I'm about to contradict myself because I think Anson Tilly runs at the party.

474
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.000
When Gates McFadden's pushed in sort of water.

475
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.519
Lick on earth face. hilarious.

476
00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:09.779
It's pretty great.

477
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.079
She deserves it anyway.

478
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:13.740
Fuck off.

479
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.539
She's laughing when Worf gets.

480
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:16.319
Why is it not funny?

481
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:21.480
It's funny when Wolf gets knocked pushed off the thing, but not funny when Gates gets pushed off the thing.

482
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:22.680
I think.

483
00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:25.079
Why couldn't a wharf have just gone, computer, delete the boat?

484
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:26.880
Then they would all be in the water.

485
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:28.140
They'd all fall in the water.

486
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:28.980
That would have been great.

487
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:33.900
I think I think that it's retract the plank, not remove the plank.

488
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.220
Can that ease him trying to breathe some life into that deadline?

489
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:45.299
you know, by camping it up slightly, which I think is sort of, you know, I do find it baffling though, because you know what?

490
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.039
You and me have done a couple of comedies written by Ronald D. Moore, and he can be very funny.

491
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:52.019
He can rotate fun.

492
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.400
He wrote the house of pork, looking football market in all the wrong places, in the cards.

493
00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:57.960
He's a funny writer.

494
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:03.059
Yeah, I think there's just the whole next gen thing here making it not funny.

495
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:09.960
I mean, you can clearly... clearly see that that was not Gates McFadden for you.

496
00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:10.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:17.160
Marina, when she looks, when she looks at data, they're all looking at data, but the look on Marina's face is pretty great.

498
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:21.000
I'll give her that That was not funny.

499
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:25.619
By all accounts, those weren't actors on the boat.

500
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.700
That was the crew of the ship.

501
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:27.960
Oh wow.

502
00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:28.440
Okay.

503
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:30.059
Starstream for the day.

504
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.140
That's pretty awesome.

505
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:31.980
Just save a bit of money.

506
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:33.180
They didn't want to take any extras.

507
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.400
I mean, it all looks...

508
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:39.720
I mean it does all look very impressive.

509
00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:41.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

510
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:42.180
But what is it?

511
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.019
What is it about?

512
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.920
And so there's this too.

513
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:54.240
Like, that speech here about, because, what, it's comparing the Enterprise Our Enterprise to this ship.

514
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:58.619
And he's just finished saying how wonderful it would be to not be contactable.

515
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:03.900
You know, you can't be reached when you're on this ship and then he gets this message.

516
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:08.460
And I think this message, again, is a terrible mistake.

517
00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:12.119
And I don't know why they...

518
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.500
I'm getting the message about his family.

519
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.400
Oh, it's awful.

520
00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:22.500
No, I'm telling you what, they do it because they need a reason when he goes in the nexus to want something so he'll stay there.

521
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:22.800
Yeah.

522
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.840
But it just feels so manipulative.

523
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:25.980
Yeah.

524
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.920
And I think I think he's terrible in it.

525
00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:31.800
Like, I think that Stuart's performance is...

526
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:32.340
Yeah, do you know what?

527
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:41.400
That Patrick Stewart, and they actually say in the commentary, I can't believe he cried in this thing, like, we never wrote for him to be crying in this scene.

528
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:42.119
Why did he go this far?

529
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:42.960
Yeah.

530
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:47.699
I think he's like, well, I'm in a movie now. you know, I got to show some serious emotion.

531
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:51.840
I like I like Deanna's reaction here too.

532
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:56.400
Marina's reaction because and we don't need to be told why she notices something.

533
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:15.300
You know, that's just a little reminder and it is her successfully using her empathic abilities instead of just saying, I'm sorry, Captain, I'm afraid I can't, you know, read them at this distance or whatever, they seem to be being deceptive or they seem to be being very angry or something, you know, like she's actually properly detecting something.

534
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.239
She plays it well, but the fact that he's there staring off camera looking like he's about to fall to pieces.

535
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:29.699
I mean, I think anyone could pick up on the fact that he's just... but I think she notices it from a distance in a way that I think kind of just reinforces that she can do that.

536
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.480
And I did quite like that because it's so rarely acknowledged in the show properly.

537
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:38.940
We're about to head on to, uh, the end of going for a 2nd now.

538
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:45.960
And I've got to say, I do think it was a massive mistake for them to just keep using the standing sets at Paramount.

539
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.760
It really was.

540
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:57.000
I really think they should have, they should have started this movie with a brand new like a cinematic enterprise with, you know, cinema style lighting.

541
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.760
This, they've made a few adjustments to this.

542
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:02.099
But they light it in such a strange way.

543
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:10.920
Yeah, if you're trying to recapture that feeling of the series and bridge the gap, then lighting it in this very kind of moody way.

544
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:13.500
Well, it doesn't feel anything like the next generation.

545
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:26.880
Well, and also the trouble is that it's not a very good set and from where, like when you look at it from above, whenever they do a high shot on the bridge, you can see all of the space that's purely there to wheel the cameras around.

546
00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:34.380
And so here he's put some additional consoles and things in there and there's more extras and stuff.

547
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:40.980
I mean, I think, look, the problem is, that's how the TV series should always have been there.

548
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.239
It should always work like that.

549
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:42.480
Yeah.

550
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:44.219
Yeah, but it didn't.

551
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.619
So it feels jarring, you know?

552
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.820
And especially like the lighting in the 10 forward sequences, which I think is really good.

553
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.360
It just doesn't feel like 10 forwards to me because it never looked like that.

554
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:04.440
No, but it's the same kind of lighting that you still get on discovery where you actually get sort of sunlight streaming in through the windows and stuff. lighting coming in through the window.

555
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:05.159
It's gorgeous.

556
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:05.639
Yeah.

557
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.139
See, it doesn't matter here on this ship because we've never been here before.

558
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:11.340
They can like how they like it.

559
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.239
And it's just the same old set that they've been using for 7 years as well.

560
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:19.019
You know, they just move a few flats around and stuff and it's just the same as everything else.

561
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:24.840
It's just a bit of a minute where they have a phase of fire because, you know, they do that thing where they duck beyond a console, someone's shoes.

562
00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:26.579
They don't be on a console.

563
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.760
And I thought, they're even doing the action fucking sequences like the TV show.

564
00:37:29.820 --> 00:37:32.159
Yeah, no, that's a little bit later, isn't it?

565
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.460
When they come to rescue, you, when they come to rescue Geordian Data.

566
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.800
I think they just come across dead bodies here.

567
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:49.500
But, you know, that big girder thing we've seen 100s of times before, like all of these sort of bits and pieces are hugely familiar.

568
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:54.300
And so even though they do have a big budget, they're, I've just done.

569
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:58.139
I just did 1st aid, just to interrupt myself.

570
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:05.639
I did a 1st aid course, just a week ago, and it just worried me that that guy was pinned down and that they just picked the thing up off him.

571
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:08.760
That is the one doing. you should never do.

572
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:10.199
That's right.

573
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:11.940
Don't do that, kids at home.

574
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.059
I mean, I guess you've got a doctor there, so maybe it's okay.

575
00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:20.460
And may I say, she gets so, so little to do in this episode.

576
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.239
Thank goodness she's around, just milling about of a tricorder in this thing.

577
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:28.079
There's a few of these enterprise crew, you know, that don't get any screen time at all.

578
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:29.280
No.

579
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:30.960
And that's the other thing too.

580
00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:48.719
Why this show even more than original Trek is a bad fit for movies because you've got this giant cast and ordinarily you would just feature one or 2 of them or, you know, you'd have a Geordie centric episode or a wharf centric episode or whatever.

581
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:50.820
You're not used to me before.

582
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.739
You're not ever gonna get that again, are you?

583
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:53.820
No.

584
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:54.539
That's right.

585
00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:01.860
And they kind of settle on, obviously, Picard, because it's Patrick Stewart, and they settle on giving him a big role and data.

586
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.019
Yeah, that's that's the 2 biggies in the movies.

587
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.659
And everyone else is called sort of peripheral.

588
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.000
Weirdly enough, is everybody else that gets all the best scenes.

589
00:39:09.780 --> 00:39:16.619
So this, so we're picking up on something that was originally in Brothers, wasn't it?

590
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.280
And then that became a thing in dissent.

591
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:22.440
So I think all the emotion.

592
00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:27.420
Yeah, so I think we watched them retrieve the emotion chip from law, didn't we, in dissent?

593
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.239
And so this is a different emotion chip.

594
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:33.780
This is a movie design emotion ship.

595
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.480
Um, and I think...

596
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:45.780
Oh, they so enamoured with data, though, that, like, because when we watched descent, we kind of acknowledged that that didn't work and spinal performance didn't work when he was there.

597
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.880
I'm like, stop it, stop it, stop it.

598
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:50.880
You know, it was all very camping over the top and a bit ridiculous.

599
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.219
I'm wondering if they're just so enamoured with data and Brent Spider.

600
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:02.280
They think and they say in the commentary, you know, you can always rely on Spiner, whatever you give him, he's going to do something interesting with it.

601
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:05.159
Well, I think this movie actually belies that point.

602
00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:06.360
Yeah, I agree.

603
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.659
I think look, I mean, he's a beloved character.

604
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.579
He's the breakout character, isn't he?

605
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:13.619
Like he's the one that I would say, yes.

606
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:13.980
Yeah.

607
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:20.099
And he's not, I don't think he's the best performer. do you know what I mean by any stretch?

608
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.480
But, you know, like he does do a lot of things and he is a super interesting character.

609
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:28.260
But what they do here. you know why he's so likeable?

610
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.460
He's so likeable because he's so childlike. so innocent.

611
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:46.380
And like, you know, the humour that comes out of it is often inadvertent and he doesn't understand things and things like, suddenly he's very knowing and sarcastic and condescending and just all of those things that you hate in people.

612
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.239
And I'm like, oh, I think you would take a character.

613
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:49.860
I think he's amazing.

614
00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:54.480
You take a character who is so likeable and make him so unlikeable.

615
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:57.659
It's like the Scott Bacular effect in Star Trek Enterprise.

616
00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:02.219
He's really obnoxious and that is not what we're here for.

617
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.559
And so it wrecks state his character.

618
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:13.800
And one of my favourite things is the way that they deal with the emotion chip. in 1st contact where I can't even remember.

619
00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:15.420
Is it when Alice Creek's coming onto him?

620
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:29.699
No, no, so data says something to Picard about how he's scared and Picardo Riker and the response is why don't you consider deactivating your emotion ship?

621
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.579
And so he just tilts his head very briefly to one side.

622
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.380
We hear an electronic noise.

623
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:37.320
He's turning off.

624
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:42.239
That's them acknowledging the fact that this is, in fact, doing stupid.

625
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:43.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:55.500
And like, I think there is a way of him playing it where he discovers emotions and stuff, but it's that big camp thing that he does here and that he's called upon to do, which is just obnoxious.

627
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:04.679
You know, I think that having data confront emotions in a childlike and amazed way. incredible.

628
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.599
Imagine him having his 1st stiffy.

629
00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:07.380
Like, that would be amazing.

630
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.340
You know, he doesn't know.

631
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:11.760
No, he had sex with Tashi R.

632
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:15.539
He wasn't in fact pushing ropes and that, as we know.

633
00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:24.840
Oh, do you know, they say this is 10 forwards about how many, this is how many extras they would have liked.

634
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:25.860
Yeah.

635
00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.199
So this is actually kind of cute.

636
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:31.679
And I think he overplays the I hate this thing.

637
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:35.519
But what's funny... is I'm just dreadful.

638
00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:42.480
But what I think is cute is when he just turns to her and in his normal voice says, you know, yes, another one please.

639
00:42:42.539 --> 00:42:44.340
Like, he actually dials it down.

640
00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:46.019
And I think that's really funny.

641
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.179
He overplays it in a way that's obnoxious.

642
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.079
But you know what as well?

643
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.559
They still need him to deliver the exposition in this movie, right?

644
00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:57.599
So there are sequences where he's being sarcastic and stupid and silly and playing with tricorders.

645
00:42:57.659 --> 00:42:59.639
And then he just suddenly turns into normal data.

646
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:00.960
All of a sudden.

647
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:02.820
And even that's even more weird.

648
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.940
You know, it's like he's got split personality syndrome.

649
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.559
Yeah, no, no, no.

650
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:08.340
It doesn't work at all.

651
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.059
But I do like the way he says please there in his normal data voice.

652
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.880
You know, he does want another one because he wants to experience something terrible.

653
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:28.980
So this is, this scene is actually not as oddly lit as I thought, but the yellow lighting that is coming in, and particularly in the, the, inter, you know, the, the conversation between numb Soren and Picard.

654
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.360
See, everything's very yellow.

655
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:31.500
And Soren's...

656
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.659
Do you remember where the light came from in the series?

657
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:35.460
It was all from the tables. wasn't it?

658
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.940
They were all white and it was always lit from below.

659
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.039
Oh no, but there's heaps of key lighting.

660
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:51.059
Part of the problem with Star Trek, the next generation, is there's such strong key lighting that everything looks really flat and there's very rarely the shadows in the shot that you're getting here.

661
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.219
And so I think this looks better.

662
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.739
Yeah, oh, this looks a million.

663
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.000
This is lit brilliantly.

664
00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:58.920
It just doesn't feel like the next generation.

665
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:02.519
Yeah, but like, you know, the...

666
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.460
Do you see what I'm saying about, sort of the confused nature of this film, though.

667
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.599
Like, it's confusing in that even down to the uniforms.

668
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.699
Some people are wearing next generation uniforms.

669
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.039
Some people are wearing deep space 9 uniforms.

670
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:15.300
Well, and they swap.

671
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:23.460
I mean, like eventually we get a scene with both Picard and Data in the Deep Space 9 uniforms as well.

672
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:24.539
And is this way?

673
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:30.840
It's a movie that can't quite let go of original series and yet wants to focus on the next generation.

674
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:36.719
It's serious that wants to do a transition between the old sets and the new, and it's just, it's just weird.

675
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:43.380
It's a weird amalgam of, and I just feel like having a more solid mission statement of, let's just do a movie.

676
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:46.440
Yeah, which is what they do the 2nd time and it works very well.

677
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:52.260
And that manages to be an action movie and also to be about Star Trek too.

678
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:56.880
So I think that's pretty good and manages to have like a genuine threat.

679
00:44:56.940 --> 00:45:04.320
It manages to have impressive action set pieces, a decent villain, you know, and actually some pretty good humour.

680
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:05.820
I remember when Robert Picardo turns up.

681
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.960
That's quite a funny scene.

682
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:11.099
Stealing Beverly's only scene.

683
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.280
Whoopi was a given in this movie, though, wasn't she?

684
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.199
given that she was the one sort of big movie star that appeared in the next generation?

685
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:20.460
She's not credited.

686
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:25.559
So she isn't credited in this movie at all, not in the opening or the closing credits.

687
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:31.860
And I gather that they had a choice between her in series 7 or in this movie.

688
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.440
So she doesn't appear in series 7 at all.

689
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.880
I think her last episode might be suspicions, I want to say.

690
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:40.019
It is suspicions.

691
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.699
Yeah, where she goes to advise Dr. Bev on a murder mystery.

692
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.760
Yeah, just a shockingly bad episode.

693
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:49.079
Yeah.

694
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:50.280
And so this is her back.

695
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:56.340
Yeah, look, you've got Riker in at the F9 uniform here, a wolf in the next generation.

696
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:03.719
Well, now, now I think we're going to have Geordie is in, um, yeah, and there's data.

698
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:05.400
Look, data's in a deep, so...

699
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.059
I'm so pleased that Geordie is unamused by data.

700
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.860
It's sort of larking about, you know.

701
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.619
He is basically the audience identification figure in this scene.

702
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:19.920
So it's the shitty joke that he's finally got, the but the Ferengi and the gorilla suit has to go joke.

703
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.860
Is that actually in encounter at Farm Point?

704
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.539
I don't remember.

705
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:26.940
I can tell you this now.

706
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
If there was a joke in a counterpart, it was going to be fairly agonising.

707
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:34.019
Well, we would only have heard that as the punchline, I think, and that's what he says.

708
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:36.539
And this is the 7 year later payoff.

709
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.380
Yeah.

710
00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:38.039
Yeah.

711
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:39.659
Well, we don't find out what the joke is.

712
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.480
We only hear the punchline and he's he's really unpleasant to watch.

713
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:47.579
Why is he overplaying every line so much?

714
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.980
Well, I think it's in the theatre right now, and he's trying to get to the back of the audience, you know?

715
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:56.219
But don't you think the script wants him to do that?

716
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.199
Like the script wants him to overplay it?

717
00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:00.300
Just the kind of love.

718
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:08.340
I will say in, um, in Birmingham Braggart's defence, they were told they had to put in a big data subplot.

719
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.619
That wasn't what they were originally going to do.

720
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:18.179
In fact, a lot of what they originally were going to do is nothing like how this, because a lot, they basically said, here's a list of things we needed in this movie.

721
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.119
We want you to pass the battle on between dirt and dirt.

722
00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:22.800
We need a big subplot for data.

723
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:25.019
We need emotional moments for Patrick Stewart.

724
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.440
So like, oh, well, you best have just told us what we got to write then, haven't you?

725
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:32.760
I actually think this thing here too, when he says Open Sesame.

726
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:38.519
I mean, if he didn't laugh at his sort of crappy joke and then mug at the camera about it, that that would actually be kind of funny.

727
00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:48.539
Like, you would expect him to be clever and playful because he's a smart man, and now he has a sense of humour, you would expect him to be good at it.

728
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:59.760
But because he's being written by, you know, Brandon Praga, the lines aren't funny and nothing that goes on is funny and his laughter. just seems embarrassing, I think.

729
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:02.280
Like, giving him the emotionship as well.

730
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:07.619
Again, it feels like a bit of a perverse reimagining of the next generation, doesn't it?

731
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.539
It doesn't feel quite right.

732
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:17.280
Yeah, yeah, it's a strange thing to do in the 1st outing because you're going to have him behaving differently from how he's ever behaved before.

733
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:20.099
I actually like Mr. Tricorder secretly.

734
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:33.780
Because he turns to Mr. Tricorder and then just talks to him in his normal data voice and then both of them turn to camera like Mr. Tricorder and he both turn to camera at the same time and then he ruins it by mugging it.

735
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.900
But I do think it's actually sort of slightly.

736
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.800
I think, Mr. Tricorder, might get more screen time than Dr. Bev, you know, in this movie.

737
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:41.880
That's a tricor, am I?

738
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:51.539
There was one scene where I thought days with the emotions did work and that's the scene in Stellar cartography, which is played seriously.

739
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.039
It's not all done for laughs.

740
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.920
And I think he's seen about being properly afraid.

741
00:48:55.980 --> 00:48:58.860
It's a scene about the car, too.

742
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:10.440
Because you have Picard, who is doing precisely what data is not able to do yet, which is to continue his work despite having suffered a devastating loss.

743
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:19.500
And, you know, Picard's state of mind is much worse than data. has been a, you need a prick and has been embarrassed and has let Geordie get captured.

744
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.059
Did you notice that?

745
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:22.380
He was literally girding to the camera.

746
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.760
Oh, it's dreadful.

747
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:26.219
Like, I don't even know, like his mouth is so big.

748
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.000
It's like bigger than kind of a normal human would be able to achieve.

749
00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:32.400
It's sort of, it's just unpleasant to watch.

750
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:33.360
You know what, though?

751
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:35.340
when he's playing the role like this.

752
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:42.780
It does actually make me realise the skill that he's put into those 7 years of the next generation of making data so damn light.

753
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:43.920
Because it could have been like this.

754
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:44.579
Yeah.

755
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:46.440
Do you know what's really funny?

756
00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:58.380
Remembering, do you remember in all good things when we go back to season one and Brent recaptures his season one performance, which is quite different from very childlike.

757
00:49:58.500 --> 00:49:59.280
Yeah.

758
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:00.059
Yeah, yeah.

759
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.440
Well, it comes series 70 years, just an exposition machine, isn't he?

760
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:07.380
An occasional surreal episode about dreams and bad dreams.

761
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.699
Yes.

762
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:20.159
So here's Picard looking at his fucking space photo album where instead of having white borders, all of the photographs have these absurd holographic borders.

763
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:25.019
You've been spoiled by all those holograms in the air in Kursman Trek, you know.

764
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.619
There is still a pace for the old-fashioned photo album.

765
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:33.059
But it's not old-fashioned. holographic borders on all of the photos.

766
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.239
It's like, why is it a space photo album?

767
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.599
It's so bullshit So the people that have died.

768
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:41.820
Is it the family that we meet in family?

769
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:42.900
And that's the other thing about it.

770
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.239
I love that episode.

771
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:46.559
I love those characters.

772
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:47.699
What the hell?

773
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:50.039
Yeah, why do they do that?

774
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:50.760
It's awful.

775
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:51.719
It's just awful.

776
00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:53.219
And they liked the kid.

777
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.440
So the kid who plays...

778
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.019
Oh, he comes back in rascals, doesn't he?

779
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.219
Comes back in rascals to play a young Jean-Luc Picardo does a pretty good job.

780
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.199
I really quite like it.

781
00:51:04.260 --> 00:51:07.260
He's my number one dad. so funny.

782
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.599
That's it is actually properly funny.

783
00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:15.420
That's, and, you know, like, Riker looks hugely embarrassed and the whole thing is actually really great.

784
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:18.239
Picard's hugging him isn't he?

785
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.599
That's really great.

786
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.619
So this is sort of watching that instead, honestly.

787
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:26.760
That's right.

788
00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:31.380
And again, it's the thing where it's like, well, now we don't have to turn the fucking lights on.

789
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.659
But at least here the light is coming from somewhere, you know, and there's shadows.

790
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:42.119
Like if we were in his quarters in an episode, there would be no shadows anywhere. would be just dark.

791
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:44.159
He's crying his eyes out, eh?

792
00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:45.539
Yeah.

793
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:53.699
They did say as well, um, I think it's, I can't remember if it's more or bragger, but they say the reason why the tears don't work.

794
00:51:53.699 --> 00:52:01.320
Like, we've got this new movie with this, with this crew that we love and he should be as heroic as possible and getting out there.

795
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:07.500
They said we've got him in a dark room in tears because it's not a great it's a confusing mission statement, you know?

796
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.059
Yeah, that's right.

797
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:13.920
And like you know, like in a normal situation, he would take a week off.

798
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:22.679
And I quite like, actually, there's that moment where Riker kind of objects to being given this thing, you know, like, why am I doing this?

799
00:52:22.739 --> 00:52:28.679
And he just tells him to get it done and storms off into his ready room, which I thought was actually pretty good.

800
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:33.119
Um, But yeah, I just hate this subplot.

801
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:35.699
And like, I don't know what it's in aid of.

802
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:41.340
Like he's suddenly realised that he isn't going to have children and stuff and neither is Kirk.

803
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.219
Neither of them are going to have children.

804
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:48.719
And so when their jobs end, they no longer serve a purpose.

805
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.960
And the only thing that they do is make a difference.

806
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:55.199
And that's how he persuades Kirk to come back, isn't it?

807
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.960
You know, like you, retirement isn't you.

808
00:52:58.019 --> 00:53:06.599
You need to be out there doing something and making a difference, which is what we saw in the very 1st scene on the Enterprise B. But as well, do you know?

809
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:11.099
We haven't seen a bit of action since the beginning of the movie.

810
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:12.360
Yeah, yeah.

811
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:17.639
You know, and I'm not, you know, and I'm not saying I need action all the time, but I'm watching a fucking movie.

812
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:23.280
And I'm basically watching an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, that's particularly well lit right now.

813
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.760
Yeah, I think that's a huge problem, isn't it?

814
00:53:26.820 --> 00:53:28.679
We haven't had anything.

815
00:53:28.739 --> 00:53:30.300
We had.

816
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.559
Yeah, we haven't had anything.

817
00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:33.719
This is the most dramatic thing that's happened.

818
00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:36.000
Um, yeah.

819
00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:37.559
Like, I think...

820
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:44.579
And it does feel like 2 fingers up at the TV series as well. just to arbitrarily kill off important characters.

821
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.500
And Moore says that they wanted like a hook for this movie.

822
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:55.260
Like, you know, like they wanted it to have a big event in it and what they actually landed on was the death of Kirk.

823
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.440
Like this would be the movie that is the death of Kirk.

824
00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:00.000
Well, news flash.

825
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:01.980
This is the 1st Next Generation movie.

826
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:03.239
You know, like?

827
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:05.340
It's not a bad thing.

828
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:23.099
And also, fuck that, you know, like, I don't know that I want to go to a movie to see my, like, if I want to go to a movie to see my childhood heroes die, I'll watch the sequel, the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, you know, where each film kills off yet.

829
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.199
Excuse me, I ain't seen the last one yet.

830
00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:27.000
It's really bad.

831
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.659
And and that's kind of miserable.

832
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:40.019
That's kind of miserable. where they bring back Emperor Palpatine in the school of text at the beginning and it doesn't actually happen as a dramatic reveal.

833
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.980
Robot carry because of course she died between films.

834
00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:46.380
Oh, do you know what?

835
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:57.719
I'm going completely off piece here, but there is one bit where I think this set actually does work in this movie and that is when they crashed up on the planet and he looks out the window and sees the sky up from the skylight.

836
00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:57.960
Yeah.

837
00:54:58.019 --> 00:54:59.039
That's great.

838
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:00.420
That is pretty good.

839
00:55:00.539 --> 00:55:02.699
Well that is the only bit.

840
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:04.559
I also think the thing.

841
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:05.400
They're all sitting down.

842
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.079
Yeah, he's got a chair now.

843
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.739
Again, it's sticking 2 fingers up on the next generation.

844
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.340
He always stood up for that. for 7 years and now he's got to see me.

845
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.059
Here's your reward for coming into the movies.

846
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:18.840
You've got to see.

847
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:19.380
Well done.

848
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:20.400
Yeah.

849
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:21.840
So here we go, here we go.

850
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:22.619
Here's some action.

851
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:23.400
Do you know what I mean?

852
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:28.019
Like, the thing's going to explode. his Lurser and Bator, like for some reason.

853
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.699
Actually, because they're great.

854
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.340
They are great.

855
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:32.880
But you know what?

856
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.280
Did you ever read the story of when they were showing off to Robert O'Reilly, who plays Gowron?

857
00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:44.159
They were going, we're in the next generation movie, like, and he's like, you know what that means, don't you?

858
00:55:44.219 --> 00:55:47.340
If you're in the movies, you're going to be killed off.

859
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:48.900
Well, they hadn't got the script at this point.

860
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:51.599
And then they've got the script and they were like, oh, fuck.

861
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:58.019
Because they do, do they do a series one, DS9 episode?

862
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.820
They do, yeah.

863
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.099
Before this, I think it was before this, yeah.

864
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:03.780
Well, of course it was.

865
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:04.440
They're killed in this.

866
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:05.400
Yeah, they killed in this.

867
00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:06.360
And I won't lie.

868
00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:11.699
The bit where they do that very 60s dramatic zoom on their faces as they die was absolutely hilarious.

869
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:21.539
Well, I love their kind of when they're looking through Geordie's visor at Beverly and they're pulling faces and going. looks absolutely stunning in that scene.

870
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:22.440
She does.

871
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:23.519
And they're pulling...

872
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:24.360
She's never looked more beautiful.

873
00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:29.519
Were they pulling hilarious faces saying how revolting Earth women look, which is really funny.

874
00:56:29.699 --> 00:56:31.980
You said this was a Christmas movie.

875
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:33.960
That's the most pantomime moment in the whole movie.

876
00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:35.219
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:38.280
But, you know, that's an amazing...

878
00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:40.980
We cut back to them about 5 times.

879
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:42.840
Yeah, we get it.

880
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:44.400
You think she's ugly.

881
00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:45.239
We get it.

882
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.980
So this is the 1st wow.

883
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:50.880
Wow, that looks pretty good.

884
00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:52.500
This is the 1st movie.

885
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:57.659
Is this the 1st time that the Enterprise is ever realised as a computer?

886
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.480
They talk about this in the commentary.

887
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:04.679
Basically, it is a mixture of model work and CGI.

888
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.519
Yeah.

889
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.139
And you can't really tell the difference.

890
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.039
So that's quite impressive.

891
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:14.159
But there is, like, there's some pieces of stock footage, aren't there, in this?

892
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:29.639
So the, we do see like in the middle of the film we get to see a captain's log, which is being delivered against just one of the most reused pieces of stock footage of the enterprise, you know, in the show's history.

893
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:32.400
And I think when Lurser and Batour ship blows up.

894
00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:34.139
It's from the previous film.

895
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:42.300
Like, well, at least it spares, I was you saying, again, well, here's that same footage from encounter a far boy.

896
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:47.760
I think for the 1st time since Encounter of Farpoint, they've shot the Enterprise in a new way again.

897
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:48.719
Yeah, yeah.

898
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:51.840
Do you know a bit just there, where he punched.

899
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.000
Is it Betel or Lerser, one of them?

900
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:55.380
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember.

901
00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:55.920
We punched it.

902
00:57:55.980 --> 00:58:00.719
And then she goes, I hope you're initiating a mating ritual and puts the blood on his lips.

903
00:58:00.780 --> 00:58:02.219
But do you know what?

904
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.639
Do you know how this was originally conceived and it was written in the script as well?

905
00:58:05.699 --> 00:58:10.739
And when they wrote it, they even said to each other, they're going to take this out, they'll never, ever.

906
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:11.880
Were they fucking?

907
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:13.440
No, they were supposed to materialise.

908
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:25.800
And it was supposed to be like this like Roman orgy going on on the Klingon ship and everyone's a bit sexed up and they're all eating grapes and it's all and and like both the Rick Burman took one look at that and went, no, get rid of it.

909
00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:26.820
We're not having that.

910
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:27.900
That's right.

911
00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:29.280
We can save ourselves a lot.

912
00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:34.079
It was supposed to be overtly sexualised because they figured they could do that with a movie, you know?

913
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:36.599
And Berman was like, no.

914
00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:38.820
This is still the next generation.

915
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:39.840
We're not having any sex.

916
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:41.099
There's no sex.

917
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:50.039
So what is it about Malcolm McDowell and sorry that doesn't really work.

918
00:58:50.820 --> 00:58:57.300
Um, I don't think his motive is well defined.

919
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.960
It just comes across as somebody who's a bit powerful.

920
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:01.679
Has he lost somebody?

921
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:06.780
Is he going into the nexus because he's his wife and children were killed by the Borg.

922
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:17.400
So we know already that Gynon's people like their home planet was assimilated by the Borg, which is why Gyner knows about them and Picard doesn't.

923
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.639
And so, so it's that reason.

924
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:31.559
It's the same kind of motivation that Kurt would Smith has in the year from hell or whatever, you know, he's, he's kind of just done a 1000000 times more effectively.

925
00:59:31.619 --> 00:59:32.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

926
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:39.840
There's some, uh, very quickly, there's some fabulous uh, practical lighting in guidance quarters. the candles.

927
00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:41.760
They could have done that in the next generation.

928
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:42.960
Not sure why they didn't.

929
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:43.679
No.

930
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:47.699
Yeah, no, it's all lit like a very boring TV show, I think.

931
00:59:48.300 --> 01:00:00.059
But even though, okay, so he's got a tragic backstory, and he's going into the Nexus, because he wants to be, you know, reunited, fantasy version of his wife and children and whatever.

932
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.820
I mean, that comes across very strongly.

933
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.539
What he comes across as is a bit of a one note, panto villain.

934
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:07.139
Yeah.

935
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.099
Yeah.

936
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:17.519
And he, but there is something there, like, again, he's responding differently to the passage of time.

937
01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:19.320
Isn't he?

938
01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:26.340
Because there's that scene, you know, the line that he says, they say that time is the fire in which we all burn.

939
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:37.619
And at the end of the film, Picard recalls that line and says, no, you know, time is a reminder that we should enjoy every moment while it lasts.

940
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:43.320
And it's super kind of, like, like, it's not very, Yeah, that's right.

941
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:44.699
It's really ripe.

942
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.900
It's not very interesting.

943
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:56.219
And so thematically, this isn't really about anything very much, in a way that's not always true of Star Trek films, but seems to be true of the next generation films.

944
01:00:56.280 --> 01:01:06.420
There's something about age and like it's called Star Trek Generations and neither Kirk nor Picard have children and we are concerned about generations in that sense.

945
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.320
It's not just called generations because it's, you know, Star Trek, the Next Generation movie.

946
01:01:10.380 --> 01:01:13.559
Don't ever have that conversation, though, do they?

947
01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:14.460
That's the theme of this.

948
01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:18.239
Maybe they should have had that conversation in the nexus when they meet.

949
01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:29.760
Yeah, so, so, so, Kirk has that conversation with Chekov when he meets Tamora and and Picardo has that conversation with Deanna.

950
01:01:29.820 --> 01:01:30.780
Yeah, yeah.

951
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.880
So maybe they should have had that conversation together and reached some kind of a conclusion that...

952
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.980
It's all very undercooked, like, who gives a shit?

953
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:41.159
Popping around the universe is actually more exciting than bringing up a family.

954
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:44.400
Well, you could bring up a family on the enterprise because there's kids on there anyway.

955
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:46.139
Yeah, yeah. for some reason.

956
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:47.760
For the last time, actually.

957
01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:50.699
O'Brien and Keiko and lovely Molly.

958
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:59.699
But as well, like they're going, they are going for this sort of grandiose villain, because they've got him in this fabulous sort of chasm later on this bridge.

959
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:05.039
Yeah, he's got all electricity, you know, coming across him and it's also hugely cinematic.

960
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:07.739
He's actually underplaying the role quite a lot.

961
01:02:07.860 --> 01:02:08.820
Yeah.

962
01:02:08.820 --> 01:02:11.219
So that's not very fun.

963
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.280
I mean, Monterban doesn't do that in Star Trek too, does he?

964
01:02:14.340 --> 01:02:15.659
He just goes for it.

965
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:17.159
And that's fun.

966
01:02:17.219 --> 01:02:18.360
Yeah.

967
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:21.300
Yeah, it's it isn't an undercooked villain, isn't it?

968
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:26.400
You just get him on to have that sort of crisp accent and, and um, I don't know.

969
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:29.159
They approached him, you know, and they didn't think they were going to get him.

970
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:36.179
And then they told him that this was going to be the movie where he was going to kill him and he was going to kill Kirk and he was like, I'm there.

971
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:41.099
He goes, because I think he said, what is it?

972
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:51.179
One day, what's the quote, one day, I'll be a trivial pursuit question where which movie and which character was the feature of the death of Captain Kerr.

973
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:58.800
So this is stock footage, this shot of the Enterprise.. shot from TNG.

974
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:01.440
They haven't done another one of just using that again.

975
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:05.460
Can I say as well that more in Brogra?

976
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:10.739
Oh, very honest about the deficiencies of the next generation because I have left the franchise at this point.

977
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.000
They talk a bit about Roddenbury's original conception for the show, things like that.

978
01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:19.260
One of the things they talk about is that model shot of the enterprise and they say, you know what?

979
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.760
It looks unwieldy.

980
01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:23.460
It's top heavy with the saucer.

981
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.260
So from certain angles.

982
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:32.460
That's why they don't do a lot of action in the movies because in the enterprise, because it just doesn't suit an action scene very well.

983
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.280
No, but I think the new enterprise does.

984
01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:37.320
Like, I think they're sovereign class when I'm looks great.

985
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:39.300
It's designed for a movie, isn't it?

986
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:40.139
Yeah, yeah.

987
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:47.039
But, you know, discovery, which looks weird and is very geometrical also looks great in sort of action shots too.

988
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:53.519
Herman Zimmerman, uh, who costume designed, much...

989
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:55.139
No, he's the set designer.

990
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:55.860
Oh, is he?

991
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:57.119
Who's the costume?

992
01:03:57.179 --> 01:03:57.780
costumes.

993
01:03:59.099 --> 01:03:59.400
Good idea.

994
01:03:59.460 --> 01:04:02.280
But basically he did all the sets for TNG.

995
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.840
He did all the sets for DS 9.

996
01:04:03.900 --> 01:04:13.920
And um, Marina Assertis says in the insurrection commentary and just a note that you have to go and listen to that because she's wonderfully vague in it.

997
01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:15.659
She spends the entire commentary gang.

998
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.719
Johnny, Johnny, what's going on here?

999
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:20.940
Johnny, why am I doing that?

1000
01:04:21.059 --> 01:04:22.619
She goes at one point.

1001
01:04:22.739 --> 01:04:24.840
Johnny, why is my name last on the credits?

1002
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.300
Is that's why I'm in this movie so little?

1003
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.119
Oh, that's terrible, mirroring, so expression.

1004
01:04:30.179 --> 01:04:30.659
I'm so sorry.

1005
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:33.000
Where was I going with that?

1006
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:35.340
Thank you very much.

1007
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:36.000
Oh, sorry.

1008
01:04:36.059 --> 01:04:40.500
She says in insurrection, that Zimmerman was there from day one.

1009
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.280
So it was only right that he took sort of the leap to the movies.

1010
01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:45.300
Right.

1011
01:04:45.300 --> 01:04:48.900
But again, he wasn't a movie designer.

1012
01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:56.159
But I do think there's still a cartography set, and I think it inspires a similar set in Voyager later on.

1013
01:04:56.219 --> 01:04:58.320
A much cheater said in Voyager, though.

1014
01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:00.960
Well, of course, it's done on a TV budget.

1015
01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:02.820
They don't have 60000000 to play with, did they?

1016
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:03.599
No, I know.

1017
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:18.239
I don't like this scene at all because it is that thing that we talked about, was it, um, Billingsley, who complained about this, where you would have this conversation, which was half about space nonsense.

1018
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:24.719
Oh, it's Tim Ross, saying half of this conversation's about space nonsense, and then the other half is about our emotions.

1019
01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:37.260
And we stop the, because we can't do, we're not skilled enough to do a scene that is just purely about characters discussing how they're feeling, without them just, do you know what I mean?

1020
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:46.440
Without them just blurting it out at each other, we have to intersperse it with exposition and sort of special effects and stuff to get it happening.

1021
01:05:46.500 --> 01:05:59.099
I think this had the potential to be good, but what we don't get is we don't get reminded that, um, Picard is feeling worse.

1022
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.780
Maybe it's in Picard's performance.

1023
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:02.039
Maybe it's in Stuart's performance.

1024
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:05.400
Picard is feeling much worse than data in this, you know.

1025
01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:13.380
Yeah, I do like the fact that he says to him, look, data, you just, just people do your fucking job, but and still do their jobs.

1026
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.840
Yes, that's right. advantage all these years.

1027
01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:17.400
And this is what you're looking for.

1028
01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:20.639
It doesn't quite get to any of those moments though, does it?

1029
01:06:20.699 --> 01:06:26.460
Instead, it's more like, you know, Picard's going, you know, I'm agonising over the death of my family.

1030
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:29.039
And how long is it till we get to the veridian system?

1031
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:41.400
that's right He does back down from just ordering him to sit down and do his job, which I think is kind of good, but, you know, it's all just terribly undercooked.

1032
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:42.420
And this is...

1033
01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:45.239
Morgan Braga say that they think this is the best scene in the movie.

1034
01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:49.260
Yeah, but it's the scene that they've done so many times before.

1035
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:52.320
It's the trick that they perform all the time.

1036
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.780
And it's...

1037
01:06:54.780 --> 01:07:01.920
The problem is that I don't give a shit about the people on Veridian four.

1038
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:03.659
You have mentioned this one source wise.

1039
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:05.579
Yes, I just don't care.

1040
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:07.559
We don't see them.

1041
01:07:07.619 --> 01:07:10.559
We don't, they're just words.

1042
01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:22.079
And so, and I don't think that the film properly sells the fact that the entire crew of the enterprise is killed when the sun goes out.

1043
01:07:22.139 --> 01:07:25.380
Oh, I don't think I don't think it sells that at all.

1044
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.599
No, I don't think it does. either.

1045
01:07:27.659 --> 01:07:29.039
And so there's no stakes.

1046
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:30.599
You're telling me that now.

1047
01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:31.860
It's the 1st time I've realised it.

1048
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.420
Yeah, that's exactly it.

1049
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:40.139
They're all killed when the shockwave goes through, but somehow we never notice it or mention it.

1050
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:41.519
Picard doesn't mention it.

1051
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:43.079
Like he's not worried about.

1052
01:07:43.139 --> 01:07:46.920
He doesn't even mention what's happened to his crew when he's in the nexus or when he's.

1053
01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:48.780
They kind of want to have their cake and eat it, don't they?

1054
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.820
They want to raise the stakes.

1055
01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:53.579
But this is still next generation.

1056
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
01:07:55.440 --> 01:08:01.440
But it's like, it's like when you watch best for both whales and it's like, you know, oh, the Borg are heading to Earth.

1058
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:02.519
Well, we can care about her.

1059
01:08:02.579 --> 01:08:03.360
We're from Earth.

1060
01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:04.800
Half our characters from Earth, you know.

1061
01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:06.239
Where it's like, you're right.

1062
01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:08.219
The veridian system, well, we've never been there before.

1063
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.760
We never go there again and we don't know anyone on that planet.

1064
01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:13.139
We've never seen it.

1065
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.619
Like it's not even like it's vulcan or something we might possibly do.

1066
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:18.720
Do you remember when they say what the population of the planet is?

1067
01:08:18.779 --> 01:08:19.920
They say the number.

1068
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:23.699
We're supposed to be like, oh, yeah, 1000000s of people.

1069
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:27.420
Yeah, they're just space people that don't exist.

1070
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:33.420
Yeah, exactly. 230 million, not 320. sorry. got that wrong.

1071
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:37.020
I overreacted by 900000 people.

1072
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:39.300
Yeah, so we're going to...

1073
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:40.739
And that is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

1074
01:08:40.859 --> 01:08:43.800
If the stakes are forgettable, Why do we care?

1075
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.180
No, that's right.

1076
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:56.640
And, and, you know, 2 of the original Star Trek films have, you know, things directly, you know, like big space things coming along to threaten Earth.

1077
01:08:56.699 --> 01:09:04.859
You know, like it's about Earth and and and the next Star Trek, the Next Generation film, attack, you know, just about to say that.

1078
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:06.359
It's a threat to the earth.

1079
01:09:06.420 --> 01:09:07.800
It's a threat to the timeline.

1080
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.399
They may prevent 1st contact and we'll never have Star Trek.

1081
01:09:11.460 --> 01:09:13.319
Those are things we can get. about.

1082
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:33.119
I think that there's a scene that's been deleted here and thank God it's been deleted because when something gets said about Geordie and Soren says, oh, his heart wasn't in it, and I think that that has to be a reference to him like doing something like putting a probe in his heart or doing something.

1083
01:09:33.180 --> 01:09:38.340
Like, I think that that's a remnant of a scene that has been caught of him torturing him.

1084
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:44.039
I did get a bit of fun from these scenes, you know, with Lers from baseball.

1085
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:47.460
It's just because the performances are really fun, you know?

1086
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:48.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1087
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:49.920
Oh, that's from the tour are terrific.

1088
01:09:49.979 --> 01:09:50.699
They're great.

1089
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:56.460
They basically just stop short of turning into camera raising their eyebrows, you know, how arch they are.

1090
01:09:57.060 --> 01:09:59.939
But, you know, that's more fun than soaring.

1091
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1092
01:10:02.819 --> 01:10:05.520
Yeah, so are you going to say that?

1093
01:10:05.579 --> 01:10:06.239
No, okay.

1094
01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:07.079
Oh, yeah, no.

1095
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:13.140
And the whole sequence where where Geordie's walking around the ship and we're looking for his visor and we've done that before as well.

1096
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:17.279
Let's remembering the mind's eye and my mind's eye.

1097
01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:22.619
Yeah, that's a good one. just get to that wonderful bit where they're like, 0 my god, we've got the shield frequency.

1098
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:23.460
Fire.

1099
01:10:24.180 --> 01:10:27.479
Finally, there's something fucking happening in this movie.

1100
01:10:27.539 --> 01:10:29.100
That's right.

1101
01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:37.380
I really like them. complaining that he's the only engineer in Starfleet that never goes anywhere in near engineering.

1102
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.479
That's sort of like...

1103
01:10:39.539 --> 01:10:40.199
Are you kidding me?

1104
01:10:40.260 --> 01:10:41.819
That's where he spent the last 4 seasons.

1105
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:45.119
Yeah, yeah, but he's just wandering around the ship.

1106
01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:50.520
What the hell is going on on the side of the bridge with all these consoles and tactical displays?

1107
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:51.359
They weren't there before.

1108
01:10:51.420 --> 01:10:54.180
Well, because well, because you have a wide screen shot.

1109
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.680
I think the version that we're watching is not. don't know.

1110
01:10:58.739 --> 01:11:10.920
It looked pan and scanned, but I think it's so that there's things on the edge of the screen happening when we have a normal shot of the bridge, in widescreen, you know, because that set is so sparse.

1111
01:11:10.979 --> 01:11:12.479
There's so little in it.

1112
01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:19.979
You know what I think is really telling about this movie is, like, you can tell which were the big moments, right?

1113
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:38.939
Because, uh, about 90% of this movie is forgotten about in the trailer, but there's about 3 scenes, and in the trailer, all those movies, it's Picard meeting Kirk, it's Picard and Whoopi Goldberg having the scene in the quarters, and it's the Enterprise crashing.

1114
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:40.859
That's basically the whole triangler.

1115
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.859
So Lurser and Batour's breasts don't make it into the trailer.

1116
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.560
They should.

1117
01:11:46.619 --> 01:11:50.159
A few more people would have got a watch. such great.

1118
01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:52.439
Somehow, they're sexy as hell.

1119
01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:53.279
I don't know how they do that.

1120
01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:54.300
Oh, they're tremendous.

1121
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:55.920
I just love them. really, really good.

1122
01:11:55.979 --> 01:11:57.479
That was a terrific choice.

1123
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:06.420
And they're pure next gen villains, and they're comprehensible to a film audience who you haven't seen next gen, but maybe have seen the films because they're Klingon women.

1124
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:07.859
We know what Klingons are like.

1125
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:13.140
I think it's... was a massive celebration of them last year because one of the actresses died last year.

1126
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:13.800
Oh, okay.

1127
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:18.840
So there was this great celebration of Lerser and Bait, all these 2 sexy Klingons.

1128
01:12:19.380 --> 01:12:21.060
They're great.

1129
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:23.520
Klingon women in the original series.

1130
01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:24.600
I don't think we did, do we?

1131
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:26.939
No, I don't know.

1132
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.539
I don't know.

1133
01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:31.140
Oh, are they the 1st Klingon women?

1134
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.699
Don't know.

1135
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:33.659
Don't know.

1136
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:35.399
Like in substantial roles.

1137
01:12:35.460 --> 01:12:37.199
Oh my god.

1138
01:12:37.260 --> 01:12:38.159
Dr. Bev.

1139
01:12:38.220 --> 01:12:39.840
I'm now into the movie.

1140
01:12:39.899 --> 01:12:48.539
I was wondering why she was here, but she's here, obviously, to treat Geordie, and there's no cigar there, but she doesn't get any lines, but she's at least there.

1141
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.479
Oh, I love Nurser Gow. too.

1142
01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:54.180
Alyssa, as she's known as her friends. you know?

1143
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:55.079
Yeah.

1144
01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:56.220
After lower decks.

1145
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:04.319
Now, I did like this location, which I believe is filmed in Las Vegas or somewhere nice in America.

1146
01:13:04.380 --> 01:13:11.460
Again, I think that they had intended to go further afield and stuff, but ended up not being able to afford that.

1147
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.979
But I think this looks pretty good.

1148
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.920
It does look good, but we're here.

1149
01:13:16.979 --> 01:13:25.020
There's too much footage, and after a while, it gets a bit dull on the eye because it is, it's always sort of Mac colours, isn't it?

1150
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:26.279
It's not very striking colours.

1151
01:13:26.460 --> 01:13:28.800
Well, I think, yeah.

1152
01:13:28.859 --> 01:13:38.579
So this is before a period of time where they can make alien planets look actually alien, like we can't actually do that at this and we will do it later.

1153
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:40.380
And we can do it on TV.

1154
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:49.380
See, this is the other thing that's becoming really kind of apparent is, you know, the boundary now between TV and movies has collapsed a bit.

1155
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:55.500
And now we have TV shows that are very, very expensive and that look as good as movies.

1156
01:13:55.560 --> 01:14:03.119
And because we have huge ass televisions in our home, we can kind of enjoy them without, you know, sitting next to someone on their phone.

1157
01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:07.260
Well, we probably do enjoy them with someone sitting next to us. on their phone.

1158
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:10.800
But whatever, you know, like, um, whereas here...

1159
01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:16.199
I think the boundary is obviously there, but I don't think it's as big as it should be here.

1160
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:19.199
Because like you go back and watch Arena, fine.

1161
01:14:19.260 --> 01:14:23.520
It's not done on the wide lenses and things like that, but they are in a similar sort of landscape.

1162
01:14:23.579 --> 01:14:24.600
Yeah, yeah.

1163
01:14:24.659 --> 01:14:25.739
Yeah, it's a fairly cheap.

1164
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.479
It's very achievable, honestly.

1165
01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:28.859
Yeah, yeah.

1166
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:29.819
Oh, here we go.

1167
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:36.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think they made Beverly look particularly gorgeous to make this joke land.

1168
01:14:36.779 --> 01:14:42.180
But also just the looks on the women's faces like that's properly funny.

1169
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:42.659
Bless.

1170
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:43.439
Oh, there you go.

1171
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:44.460
Did we get a line?

1172
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.140
No, we just got Alyssa smiling at him.

1173
01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:48.600
Yeah.

1174
01:14:48.659 --> 01:14:50.159
Yeah, no, I know.

1175
01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:51.359
Yeah, yeah.

1176
01:14:51.420 --> 01:15:11.039
There's that really hilarious moment where Picard goes into 10 forward and asks that bowling character where Soren is and the bowling points and just sort of mouths something because he's not being paid to deliver his life. one of the most sort of obvious kind of, you know...

1177
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.659
Did you see that?

1178
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:16.319
Did you see that force field a minute ago when Picard tried to go to war sorid.

1179
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.159
Apparently they wrote in the script, we want the biggest sports field. we've ever had.

1180
01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:22.439
May I say they succeeded?

1181
01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:26.520
Yeah, it just looks like a It does look a bit odd, though, on a planet. crap.

1182
01:15:26.579 --> 01:15:35.159
Well, if it had been kind of like a hemisphere or something, you know, like it would have sold it a bit better, but it's just a big ass blur.

1183
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:38.039
Do you know what's weird is this is was probably very expensive.

1184
01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:39.420
But I don't think it looks it.

1185
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:43.260
No, it looks like it's some random bridge that they found on a location.

1186
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:45.359
They've just gone and acted on it.

1187
01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:57.060
Also, like that thing just looks like a Star Trek that X Generation prop, like the big thing with its kind of, you know, like it's painted this...

1188
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.300
Yeah, the rocket looks like it was on Deep Space 9 or something.

1189
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:05.819
And like it's got that same kind of semi-gloss, non-reflective surfaces thing.

1190
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:06.359
Do you know what I mean?

1191
01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:10.319
Like it just looks like every other fucking prop. are you talking about?

1192
01:16:10.380 --> 01:16:11.819
It was on the DS9 set last week.

1193
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:13.020
They just picked it.

1194
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:15.119
But that's what it looks like.

1195
01:16:15.180 --> 01:16:16.800
That is absolutely what it looks.

1196
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:23.760
I just feel like they're going for something a bit more like dramatic than what they're achieving.

1197
01:16:23.819 --> 01:16:25.739
And it's the same...

1198
01:16:25.739 --> 01:16:29.279
Here are the same... huge...

1199
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:34.739
Techlobabble ribbon of energy. that's tearing towards the planet, but there's a rocket that's waiting to go up.

1200
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:39.060
The octagonal crates, the octagonal crates that have been in it.

1201
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.180
You know, like it's just the same old shit.

1202
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.479
Look, there's that pal, but fell a wolf that time.

1203
01:16:45.539 --> 01:16:46.319
Do you remember?

1204
01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:48.180
that's right That's exactly right.

1205
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.619
This thing in the cage is a bit better.

1206
01:16:52.619 --> 01:16:53.520
British actors here.

1207
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.460
Like, and so this should absolutely pop.

1208
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:59.399
It doesn't.

1209
01:16:59.460 --> 01:17:07.260
No, it's because the dialogue is really tried and we're having a philosophical conversation that's just very boring, you know.

1210
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:11.640
It's our morality that defines us so...

1211
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:12.180
You know.

1212
01:17:14.699 --> 01:17:18.300
What if I told you I found a new truth, Nathan?

1213
01:17:18.420 --> 01:17:21.060
It's just a nexus. soaring.

1214
01:17:21.420 --> 01:17:23.279
Oh, here we are.

1215
01:17:23.340 --> 01:17:24.180
Very odd.

1216
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:25.920
We're back on that.

1217
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:27.300
Yeah, see this sort of comedy scene.

1218
01:17:27.539 --> 01:17:29.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1219
01:17:29.579 --> 01:17:31.619
They're just tracking Geordie around the ship.

1220
01:17:32.340 --> 01:17:34.619
Oh, but you know what, right?

1221
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:35.520
These POV shots.

1222
01:17:35.579 --> 01:17:37.380
I swear we've had shorts like that in the next generation.

1223
01:17:37.380 --> 01:17:38.819
I'm walking around the ship like that.

1224
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:40.500
No, no, no. isn't that?

1225
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.079
I think you've spotted it, it is the mind's eye, isn't it?

1226
01:17:43.140 --> 01:17:44.039
Oh, you see.

1227
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:50.100
Now these again, I don't think this comes off at all, but I secretly kind of like it.

1228
01:17:50.220 --> 01:17:53.220
And I do love the...

1229
01:17:53.340 --> 01:17:58.800
Yeah, but I do also like his line, I love scanning for life forms, which I think is really great.

1230
01:17:58.859 --> 01:18:07.439
And if they've been playing data as not an asshole when he gets his emotion chip, He's discovery that he loves doing this important part of his job.

1231
01:18:07.500 --> 01:18:09.119
I think he's terribly sweet.

1232
01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:18.420
But I don't I don't mind a little... everybody in the set is looking over and gathering and it's like every joke in this swing is fucking laboured.

1233
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:20.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1234
01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:26.579
The one joke I thought landed brilliantly, was, and you love a bit of swearing in Star Trek is when you go there.

1235
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.539
Oh, shit.

1236
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.060
I know, I thought that's something a bit different.

1237
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:30.779
Yeah.

1238
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.939
Yeah. that works quite well.

1239
01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:36.539
But what is this whole subplot with Lusser and Beta?

1240
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:37.319
Is it just killing time?

1241
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.619
Um, yeah, I don't know.

1242
01:18:41.100 --> 01:18:43.260
Are they trying to achieve?

1243
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.899
Well, I think they want the weapon, don't they?

1244
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:50.100
So Soren's developed a weapon that can destroy stars and they want it.

1245
01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:58.079
So they can destroy stars and take over the Klingon Empire again, I suppose.

1246
01:18:58.140 --> 01:18:59.460
Oh, right, okay.

1247
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:03.300
Yeah, they were always up to that in the next generation, weren't they?

1248
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:06.119
Well, they were always trying to take over the Klingon Empire, weren't they?

1249
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:09.060
Because they were the sisters of Duras and he was trying to do it.

1250
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:13.500
I can love that periscope that they pulled down on. is it?

1251
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty great.

1252
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:16.199
Here we go.

1253
01:19:16.260 --> 01:19:17.819
Now we get some action.

1254
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:19.920
Do you know, one fella in a minute?

1255
01:19:19.979 --> 01:19:23.640
He literally, in slow motion, goes straight over the tactical console.

1256
01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:26.100
Yeah, fuck, I hate that.

1257
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:27.720
Why are we doing so emotion for that?

1258
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:32.399
I just saw rocks come out of that console.

1259
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:33.600
I know.

1260
01:19:33.659 --> 01:19:47.760
And I'm there the whole time thinking about what I said about how it is just a shitty, cheap way of portraying peril during a space battle is that they're still doing it in the movies.

1261
01:19:47.819 --> 01:19:54.899
Yeah, it turns out we're all doing our jobs next to things that will just explode. you know, like.

1262
01:19:55.380 --> 01:19:55.859
But you know why?

1263
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.380
David Carson directed yesterday's Enterprise.

1264
01:19:58.439 --> 01:19:59.819
That was the 1st appearance of the rocks.

1265
01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:02.279
You can't quite get out of the mindset, you know.

1266
01:20:02.340 --> 01:20:03.420
Honestly.

1267
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:08.640
But it's like, if a console's going to explode, you're going to have half a quarry in your face.

1268
01:20:08.699 --> 01:20:11.279
But yeah, it just makes no sense.

1269
01:20:11.340 --> 01:20:15.420
They stuff them full of knives and rocks and then make them explosive.

1270
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:16.739
Like they're not properly insulated.

1271
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:17.760
It's very crab.

1272
01:20:18.539 --> 01:20:27.960
Do we do we cut away from the action for a bit and have some scenes in the nexus and then we go back to that or does this whole action sequence play out with the Enterprise crashing?

1273
01:20:28.020 --> 01:20:29.039
Yeah, no, no.

1274
01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:41.760
Remember that the ship crashes and then the nexus hits, the nexus hits the planet, then we're in the nexus, and then we leave the nexus and the ship crashes again.

1275
01:20:41.819 --> 01:20:43.319
So we get to see that twice.

1276
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.600
So this scene is finished.

1277
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:48.000
We're going to crash as a result of what happens here.

1278
01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:51.659
Um, but, Yeah.

1279
01:20:51.840 --> 01:21:01.319
No, there was there was something a little moving about them blowing the shit out of the sets, and it's weird that I say that's the most moving thing about this movie.

1280
01:21:01.380 --> 01:21:04.560
Is your tactical guy going in slow motion, little thing?

1281
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.300
And Moore and Braga say, look, that's the sort of thing we could never do on TV.

1282
01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:13.199
But may I say I saw some slow motion rocks flying out as well.

1283
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.260
Bravo, David Carlson.

1284
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:17.100
Bravo.

1285
01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:17.939
Okay, we're going to kill them.

1286
01:21:18.060 --> 01:21:18.659
We going to kill them.

1287
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:19.140
Fire.

1288
01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:21.420
He really made that happen.

1289
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:24.000
I love the torpedo effect too.

1290
01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:27.960
Looks really good. the close-ups on their faces.

1291
01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:32.579
I bet it probably explodes everyone, doesn't it?

1292
01:21:32.699 --> 01:21:37.439
It leaves this in absolutely no doubt and there's that footage from Star Trek 6.

1293
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:39.960
Why does it keep using that?

1294
01:21:40.020 --> 01:21:41.399
They even use that in what you leave behind.

1295
01:21:41.460 --> 01:21:42.720
Do they?

1296
01:21:43.140 --> 01:21:47.699
It's the only sequence of a Klingon ship blowing up, so they've got to keep...

1297
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:55.020
See, this asshole's pretty excited in the background, like data is as well, but, you know, like all of these people have just been exploded.

1298
01:21:55.140 --> 01:21:55.800
More than crack I say.

1299
01:21:55.859 --> 01:21:56.699
This was a massive thing.

1300
01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:03.840
That brick Durban was pissed because that fellow goes, yes, before Data said, yes, so it draws your eye.

1301
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:07.199
And they were talking about going back and reshooting, that thing.

1302
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.680
Because the extra did that.

1303
01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:12.060
It stole the moment.

1304
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:14.220
He's like, I'm going to take this moment from Brent Spiner.

1305
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:17.340
I might be a day player, but I'll be remembered.

1306
01:22:21.060 --> 01:22:25.199
Nathan, we're having to find joy in this movie, you know, wherever we can.

1307
01:22:25.260 --> 01:22:38.760
No, no, you know, like it's still, like, I'm, you know, it is kind of boring and it obviously doesn't work in any sort of sensible way, but it's still Star Trek and I love Star Trek, so I've got a podcast.

1308
01:22:38.939 --> 01:22:44.939
I would like to sort of compare it to six, which had political entry.

1309
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.819
We spanned the entire galaxy.

1310
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:49.140
We went to ice planets.

1311
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:50.939
We had...

1312
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.399
This is a step down from that.

1313
01:22:53.460 --> 01:22:54.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1314
01:22:55.020 --> 01:22:58.079
I went and saw that in the cinema and it was like Boxing Day.

1315
01:22:58.140 --> 01:23:01.920
It was released here in Australia, so we were just all kind of what we do.

1316
01:23:01.979 --> 01:23:03.720
Let's go and watch the next Star Trek film.

1317
01:23:03.779 --> 01:23:06.359
And I think I was into Star Trek The Next Generation at that point.

1318
01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:09.479
So I told everyone, let's go and watch the new Star Trek film.

1319
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.399
And it's a properly good, enjoyable film, you know, in a way that doesn't require a lot of good stuff.

1320
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:19.739
I cannot remember a bloody line from this, but I can't believe I kiss myself.

1321
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:21.300
It must have been your lifelong ambition.

1322
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:21.899
You know?

1323
01:23:23.819 --> 01:23:27.840
So much fun Oh, you know what?

1324
01:23:27.899 --> 01:23:29.640
Geordie La Forge gets to do that. fabulous.

1325
01:23:29.699 --> 01:23:33.060
You know, when the shield comes down in engineering, he gets to do the roles under it.

1326
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:34.800
Just as it all blows up.

1327
01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:40.020
This isn't the 1st time he says, cool and leak, we've got to call it leak.

1328
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:44.159
You know, is it, like, I'm sure that he's called out about a coolant leak before.

1329
01:23:44.220 --> 01:23:45.300
Bless him.

1330
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:46.920
I think they've redone that.

1331
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.260
He's been rolling under those shields for 7 seasons.

1332
01:23:49.380 --> 01:23:51.000
So great.

1333
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:53.340
They're basically doing...

1334
01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:56.819
I hate to say it, they are doing all the same tricks and, aren't they?

1335
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.460
Okay, so this kid, I think, has a tribble.

1336
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:04.920
One of the kids is walking along and he's got a white fluffy ball, which I think can only be a triple.

1337
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:20.279
You know, Brandon Bracko really criticises the factable. that there are kids on the ship and he says, you know, I never quite understood why Gene Roddenbury chose to have families on the ship when, you know, every time we have an action sequence.

1338
01:24:20.340 --> 01:24:21.359
It doesn't make any bloody sense.

1339
01:24:21.420 --> 01:24:22.739
No.

1340
01:24:22.739 --> 01:24:24.899
He goes, but do you know what?

1341
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:29.699
We spectacularly managed to forget that every week. until it became relevant again.

1342
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.680
Yeah, and they have to do it here.

1343
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:37.619
But there's a little girl here and she's got a teddy and it just shits me that no one goes to pick up the teddy after.

1344
01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.939
Like, come on, they're sort of strolling in this leisurely way through these corridors.

1345
01:24:41.939 --> 01:24:44.399
Um, where it's coming, it's coming.

1346
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:51.539
Yeah, drop the teddy and then they just all walk over the teddy and the kid's crying and he wants, she wants to know where a teddy is. bless her.

1347
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:53.939
I've got her name here, that child.

1348
01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:04.020
She's probably 30 by now and she is Brittany Parker. domestic angle to the show, the sort of the desperation of getting the kids out and all of that.

1349
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:07.260
And they never ever touched on that in Next Generation, did they?

1350
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.680
Do you remember the opening sequence of emissary in Do Space Nine?

1351
01:25:10.739 --> 01:25:20.760
where they're on that ship and you have those sequences, play out on the ship, of the families milling about, people clutching their kids, and it felt so fresh and different from the next generation.

1352
01:25:20.819 --> 01:25:23.819
It feels a bit weird in the next generation, you know.

1353
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:25.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1354
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.539
Even though it's the premise of that show.

1355
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:32.340
So the next Enterprise, the Enterprise A, he doesn't have families on it and they don't do that again.

1356
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:45.600
And I think it was because it was going to be a TV show and they were going to have to do 26 episodes a year and they would have to kind of have, you know, it was another opportunity to tell stories about the characters lives, I guess.

1357
01:25:45.659 --> 01:25:46.500
Oh, Nathan.

1358
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.119
Sorry to interrupt, but you know what?

1359
01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:51.239
Did you see him take those rocks out of that wall a 2nd ago, Picard?

1360
01:25:51.300 --> 01:25:55.079
That has so clearly been assembled for him to crawl through.

1361
01:25:55.260 --> 01:25:57.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1362
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.479
And Berman and Bragger go, why didn't we cut this shot?

1363
01:26:00.539 --> 01:26:01.380
Look at that.

1364
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.979
They've just put a load of rocks for him to crawl through the hole.

1365
01:26:05.819 --> 01:26:15.420
So this source of separation sequences from a counter at FarPoint, or the very beginning of it, I don't think that shot is, but the very beginning of it is from an encounter at FarPoint.

1366
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:23.039
And the thing is that they made such a huge fucking deal about it in Encounter at FarPoint, that you always kind of wanted it to happen.

1367
01:26:23.100 --> 01:26:24.060
Didn't you?

1368
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:25.800
You kind of think, well, where did they separate us?

1369
01:26:25.859 --> 01:26:27.180
It happens once again, doesn't it?

1370
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:28.920
Season one episode.

1371
01:26:28.979 --> 01:26:29.579
Yeah, yeah.

1372
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:30.840
But then they never kind of do it.

1373
01:26:30.899 --> 01:26:33.420
But then after that, they never ever bothered.

1374
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:40.079
Oh man, this whole, now look, they even make the joke on the commentary about Troy being at the console, you know, as the ship crashes.

1375
01:26:40.140 --> 01:26:42.420
This terrible woman's women's.

1376
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:44.220
I mean, I'm glad no one says it in the actual film.

1377
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:46.739
No, because she's not it's not her fault.

1378
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:52.680
Like, it's like the glass cliff, you know, like when a party's about to be voted out of office.

1379
01:26:52.739 --> 01:26:57.899
They say, oh, we'll let a woman have a go at running things for a while so they can be voted.

1380
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.119
Ironically, she's never been at that console before.

1381
01:27:00.180 --> 01:27:01.260
The 2nd she's at it.

1382
01:27:01.380 --> 01:27:04.260
Well, the ship crashes and is destroyed.

1383
01:27:04.979 --> 01:27:08.520
But the ship's crashed because they got shot at by Lurser and Bitor.

1384
01:27:08.579 --> 01:27:11.220
Oh, you mean... and the people are stupid.

1385
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:12.779
People are stupid.

1386
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:17.819
They'll make they'll make the link between her and the console and the ship going down and say, well, it's all Troy's fault.

1387
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:18.840
Yeah, no.

1388
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:26.699
I've got to say that, the the model work that they do of the the saucer section crashing into the planet.

1389
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:31.800
I mean, I can't tell it's modern work, but it is spectacularly good.

1390
01:27:31.859 --> 01:27:32.880
It looks terrific.

1391
01:27:32.939 --> 01:27:39.659
And this is... sorry. since from the beginning of the movie, the Kirk scenes, this is the best part of the movie.

1392
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:40.500
Yeah.

1393
01:27:40.500 --> 01:27:41.640
Yeah.

1394
01:27:41.699 --> 01:27:43.020
Yeah, well, there's some action.

1395
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.420
I mean, there's no stakes. everyone's gonna be fine.

1396
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:49.140
But, um, like it looks so good, doesn't it?

1397
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:50.640
And so they're actually.

1398
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:55.619
Well, this actually does play out like those scenes in emissary, just obviously with a bigger budget, you know.

1399
01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:56.279
Yeah.

1400
01:27:56.340 --> 01:28:04.739
So this shot here, that's a model and they're on location.

1401
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:06.720
They're outside, so the sky is real.

1402
01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:11.279
And this is a little model forest thing.

1403
01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:12.840
Yeah, but it's real.

1404
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.659
It's real funny.

1405
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:16.380
Yeah.

1406
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:24.000
I think that the shots that we see on the enterprise screen are just, you know, helicopter shots over an actual forest to help sell it.

1407
01:28:24.060 --> 01:28:26.520
But it looks great.

1408
01:28:26.579 --> 01:28:32.579
I was going to say in this because I know you can do spectacular things of CGI. and we've seen it in Kersman Trek.

1409
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:37.800
But there is just something very tangible about model work, you know?

1410
01:28:38.220 --> 01:28:41.579
Oh, look at that as it crashes into.

1411
01:28:41.579 --> 01:28:45.420
And all the mud lifts up in slow motion.

1412
01:28:45.539 --> 01:28:47.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1413
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:50.520
It takes such a long time to come to rest, doesn't it?

1414
01:28:50.699 --> 01:28:52.920
Yeah, I think it's great.

1415
01:28:52.979 --> 01:28:54.659
Man, 0 man.

1416
01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:59.100
If they did this in the actual series, it would just would have been the best set piece ever, wouldn't it?

1417
01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:00.600
Yeah.

1418
01:29:02.100 --> 01:29:04.140
And it is great.

1419
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:07.619
I love the fact we cut to Sick Bay.

1420
01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:09.300
We cut to engineering.

1421
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.880
We cut to people, things exploding.

1422
01:29:13.260 --> 01:29:15.960
Yeah, and we're trashing them.

1423
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:20.460
Whenever there was an action sequence on the Enterprise in the TV series.

1424
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:22.140
We never thought about that stuff, did we?

1425
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:22.800
We never.

1426
01:29:22.859 --> 01:29:24.600
It was always on the bridge.

1427
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:31.140
I also like how data seems to be hugging Marina and Marina's a bit distressed.

1428
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:35.159
But you kind of think, well, she could have, he could have been hugging Wharf.

1429
01:29:35.220 --> 01:29:36.060
That would have been.

1430
01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:37.619
Oh, she thinks she's going to be out of work.

1431
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:38.159
That's why.

1432
01:29:38.220 --> 01:29:39.239
The ship's good.

1433
01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:41.399
Completely destroyed.

1434
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:51.779
I've got to say, you know, there is a sequence in the Blake 7 episode, Blake, where the final episode crashes down into a fire.

1435
01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:58.020
And it's actually, okay, of course it looks shit compared to this. much techniques.

1436
01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:00.420
The techniques that they're using though are pretty similar.

1437
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:01.140
Yeah.

1438
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:01.800
Yeah.

1439
01:30:02.100 --> 01:30:04.800
Yeah, it does look much shiter though.

1440
01:30:04.979 --> 01:30:13.199
So in generations, you don't have part of the deck springing up in the air with someone sliding down into the guts of the ship.

1441
01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:15.119
What the hell is that?

1442
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:21.180
So, all right, we're all coming too.

1443
01:30:22.260 --> 01:30:30.539
But I think this is the point of the movie where actually I was like, oh shit, they've done something different here. things are not going to be the same again.

1444
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.100
Yeah, yeah.

1445
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:33.300
And that's what you should be doing.

1446
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:34.020
There's that shot.

1447
01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:35.640
Yeah, it's wonderful.

1448
01:30:35.640 --> 01:30:43.859
And then, and then there's a, there's a pan up over the saucer here with all of the, um, people around the saucer.

1449
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:46.020
Yeah, it's fabulous.

1450
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:47.460
Now this feels like a movie.

1451
01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:48.779
Yeah.

1452
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:49.380
That's right.

1453
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:49.800
Yep.

1454
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:57.180
But for me to have to say that, an hour and a half into the movie, you know, how far we are in.

1455
01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:05.880
But it's also, like, part of the problem is too, like, remember they've done it already in Star Trek 3.

1456
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:07.500
Right?

1457
01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:16.020
So they've already destroyed the enterprise and they lure the Klingons on and they self-destruct the ship.

1458
01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:18.899
Yeah.

1459
01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:20.460
And so that's how they solve the problem.

1460
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:21.119
It a big thing.

1461
01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:27.420
Here it's just like a very well aimed space torpedo and the ship just comes down.

1462
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:32.939
And so it doesn't, it's not super earned, you know, like it's not earned.

1463
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:35.579
And I think that's the problem with all of this.

1464
01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:38.039
So, like...

1465
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:41.819
Like, there's a fist.

1466
01:31:41.819 --> 01:31:42.960
I see what you're saying.

1467
01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:43.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1468
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:45.300
So we've got this fist.

1469
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:47.340
Nothing's a payoff to stuff that's been set up.

1470
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:48.000
That's right.

1471
01:31:48.060 --> 01:31:48.539
That's right.

1472
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:49.319
That's right.

1473
01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:55.739
We've already said here that the threat is to people that we aren't going to see that we've never seen, that we don't care about.

1474
01:31:55.800 --> 01:32:01.619
We're just supposed to be impressed by this big number, and that makes us think this matters.

1475
01:32:01.619 --> 01:32:10.859
In a 2nd, we're going to see a shot of the sourcer section with people milling around on it and then it's destroyed.

1476
01:32:12.300 --> 01:32:20.760
But that doesn't seem to land or matter, and certainly no one in the film seems to be aware that it's happened.

1477
01:32:20.819 --> 01:32:23.460
And of course, it'll be reversed and that's fine.

1478
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:24.720
Like, I'm okay with that.

1479
01:32:24.779 --> 01:32:37.800
Um, And and just this guy, it's just one asshole, you know, who's firing a missile and we need 2 people to kind of successfully punch him unconscious or something.

1480
01:32:37.859 --> 01:32:42.239
Like I just, you know, like, it's just not a big enough deal.

1481
01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:54.000
You've got 2 very uh, conflicting visuals here as well because they're using cheap ass, day for night filters on the cameras to suggest that the sun's gone out and that's very TV.

1482
01:32:54.060 --> 01:33:01.020
But then you've got this spectacular sequence of the ribbon coming towards Soren, and that feels like it's slept out of a movie.

1483
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:04.380
Again, it's that very, it's a weird mix this, isn't it?

1484
01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:05.399
Yeah, yeah.

1485
01:33:05.460 --> 01:33:11.100
Well, see, this shot is like the, there, look, look, there are the people on top of the, on the source section, they're destroyed.

1486
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:19.380
We get this shot of the planet being destroyed, which looks like the Genesis device special effect from Star Trek 3 only better.

1487
01:33:19.500 --> 01:33:26.760
I couldn't see, but I think it was Nurse O'Gower and Mr. Mott on top of the source section.

1488
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:27.899
There are a few people.

1489
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:29.220
No.

1490
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.199
Nurse O'Gower's gone off with the kids.

1491
01:33:31.260 --> 01:33:32.220
She's a nurse.

1492
01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:32.939
Yeah.

1493
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:34.619
Oh, no.

1494
01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:35.939
Oh Nathan.

1495
01:33:36.180 --> 01:33:41.220
Now, please tell me your story about when you mentioned watching this movie with your friends.

1496
01:33:41.340 --> 01:34:02.760
So when I spoke to some of my fellow podcasters, my fellow FTE hosts, and said that we were recording this, they all started to do impressions of, they all started to say, you know, we love you, father, and stuff like that, doing impressions of these horrific moppets that he imagines himself to be the father of.

1497
01:34:03.659 --> 01:34:12.180
It is a weird thing about 90s trek that every time they do children, especially British children, they're so fucking grotesque.

1498
01:34:12.180 --> 01:34:13.140
Awful.

1499
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:14.880
Like, terror dress.

1500
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:23.100
Like, these little princess frocks and stuff and she's dressed in this sort of weird Victorian outfit for, like, known reasons.

1501
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:24.600
It's dreadful.

1502
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:30.300
Is this what Picard longs for, sort of Dickensian Christmas?

1503
01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:35.159
No, because he takes a hog on and goes and lies on the beach at Riser.

1504
01:34:35.220 --> 01:34:37.319
He's DTF, Picard.

1505
01:34:37.380 --> 01:34:39.300
Why is his biggest fantasy?

1506
01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:46.859
that he has these horrible children. and there's, there's like 5 of them. and that's Renee, isn't it?

1507
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:52.739
But it's weird because I think what they're going for is like sort of idealised and picturesque, you know, picture perfect.

1508
01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.260
And yet it's just really disturbing to watch.

1509
01:34:55.380 --> 01:34:56.760
Yeah, it's gross.

1510
01:34:56.819 --> 01:34:58.739
The children are awful.

1511
01:34:58.800 --> 01:34:59.460
They're horrible.

1512
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:01.319
I I, do you know what?

1513
01:35:01.380 --> 01:35:09.840
I like the doctor's family in real life better than this horrible pretend family.

1514
01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:15.479
You know, even the perfect version of the doctor's children in real life is better than this.

1515
01:35:15.539 --> 01:35:16.560
This is gross.

1516
01:35:16.619 --> 01:35:17.699
This is hell.

1517
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:20.939
This is what, and, and, and he's drinking.

1518
01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:21.659
What's he drinking?

1519
01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:23.220
He's drinking a DJ stif or something?

1520
01:35:23.279 --> 01:35:26.520
He drinking a brandy after dinner, but he's going to have a cup of tea in a second.

1521
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:28.560
Like, no one's...

1522
01:35:28.619 --> 01:35:35.039
I feel like we know Picard pretty well by now, and we know that this is not his fantasy life.

1523
01:35:35.100 --> 01:35:42.600
No, it's so unimaginative. so gross and it, it, like he's deliberately chosen not to have a life like this.

1524
01:35:42.659 --> 01:35:45.779
He's chosen to go out and go on adventures.

1525
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:47.699
Why is his fantasy?

1526
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:54.720
So does the nexus sort of like try and make you stay by offering you, you know, so what thought?

1527
01:35:54.779 --> 01:35:56.520
So it's so weird.

1528
01:35:56.579 --> 01:35:59.880
I mean, the thing is right.

1529
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:04.319
We're told by Guynan in this interminable. sequence.

1530
01:36:04.380 --> 01:36:07.800
So is that that special Christmas order?

1531
01:36:07.859 --> 01:36:09.300
There's that weird Christmas bubble.

1532
01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:15.119
So is it meant to remind him that the star has just exploded?

1533
01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:17.340
No idea.

1534
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:17.880
Yeah.

1535
01:36:17.939 --> 01:36:18.720
No idea.

1536
01:36:18.779 --> 01:36:22.739
At this point in the movie, I was like, what is going on now?

1537
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:23.399
Oh, shoot.

1538
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.420
But as well, because it rings so untrue to the characters as well.

1539
01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:29.100
You've got no investment in this.

1540
01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:35.159
No, in fact, I think they do a better job of what Kirk's fantasy might be like.

1541
01:36:35.220 --> 01:36:36.600
Actually I buy that.

1542
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:47.819
I don't just him on the horse in a, in a big, lovely house in the country with an attractive woman upstairs and, you know, like I buy that.

1543
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:57.479
It's made a bit more, um, a bit more realistic because we have those lovely sequences in the Strange New Worlds pilot where Captain Pike's down on the planet, in the house, in the middle of nowhere.

1544
01:36:57.479 --> 01:36:57.960
And yeah.

1545
01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:06.600
Actually, if you've been travelling around space or you, you know, that is that, remember Cisco, you wanted that house on Bayshore that you wanted to build, just a nice, quiet life with nobody around.

1546
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:14.399
Well, in fact, I think that the pike thing takes some micronography from this film, doesn't it?

1547
01:37:14.460 --> 01:37:21.359
Like the reason that Pike lives in Montana or something, rural Montana is because of where Kirk lived.

1548
01:37:21.659 --> 01:37:23.760
Why is Gynan here?

1549
01:37:23.819 --> 01:37:31.739
Because she needs to deliver some important exposition, which we already need.

1550
01:37:32.460 --> 01:37:33.300
Guidance, is it?

1551
01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:35.699
No, it's an effort.

1552
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:43.260
No, because Guynan is in some sense here because she used to long for this place or something.

1553
01:37:43.260 --> 01:37:46.500
She's an exposition echo.

1554
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:48.180
Yes, exactly right.

1555
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:49.800
She's an exposition echo.

1556
01:37:49.859 --> 01:37:52.560
But I mean, we don't need this exposition.

1557
01:37:52.619 --> 01:37:53.699
We know what's going on.

1558
01:37:53.760 --> 01:38:01.800
I mean, if it needs this must, that, that little moppet there, that little blonde kid, I'm sure that I've seen him.

1559
01:38:01.859 --> 01:38:09.960
Is he the little blonde kid in the holodeck program in in Early Voyager?

1560
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:15.659
Oh my god, it's not the kid from the Lord Burleigh Man. think it might be.

1561
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.300
You're not our governess.

1562
01:38:18.420 --> 01:38:24.000
And I shall not be doing my Latin or my Greek. think that is.

1563
01:38:24.060 --> 01:38:37.920
And I think too, one of these kids as well goes on to play Cindy in the Brady Bunch movie, which you won't understand because you're English and you didn't have the Brady Bunch on at 530 every night, every week.

1564
01:38:37.979 --> 01:38:38.399
Excuse me.

1565
01:38:38.460 --> 01:38:39.539
I have seen the Brady Budge.

1566
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:40.020
Thank you very much.

1567
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:44.939
I've also seen the X-Files in X-Files in 5 Brave Brunch. 2nd last episode.

1568
01:38:45.060 --> 01:38:45.659
That's it.

1569
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:46.439
Yeah, I've seen that.

1570
01:38:46.500 --> 01:38:47.039
It's great.

1571
01:38:47.100 --> 01:38:48.479
Do you know what, right?

1572
01:38:48.539 --> 01:38:53.039
You know how they say about the odd-numbered Star Trek movies, you know, avoid like the play?

1573
01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:53.520
good.

1574
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:53.880
Yeah.

1575
01:38:53.939 --> 01:38:54.960
Well, I'm telling you now.

1576
01:38:55.020 --> 01:38:56.880
Star Trek one, three, and five.

1577
01:38:56.939 --> 01:38:57.180
Yeah.

1578
01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:58.859
They have some questionable moments in it.

1579
01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:01.859
But there's nothing fucking torturous at this scene, are there?

1580
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:02.880
No this is dreadful.

1581
01:39:02.939 --> 01:39:04.619
I mean, this is just dreadful.

1582
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:07.979
Where do they get these horrid looking children from?

1583
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:10.800
Ugly, ugly children.

1584
01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.199
Do they have a book?

1585
01:39:13.260 --> 01:39:14.699
You know, do they look through?

1586
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.760
These ones look suitably quartesque.

1587
01:39:17.819 --> 01:39:18.479
Well, bring him in.

1588
01:39:21.300 --> 01:39:24.119
I don't understand the period setting.

1589
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:24.899
What is no?

1590
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:25.619
I don't either.

1591
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:26.220
What's going on?

1592
01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:40.500
So he now knows that he can exit the nexus at any point in time in space and instead of exiting the nexus and going into 10 forward and putting Soren under arrest before he does any of this stuff.

1593
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:53.220
He decides that he has to go back to after when the enterprise has crashed into the planet so that he has only a limited time to stop him. there just seems to be absolutely no reason for that.

1594
01:39:53.279 --> 01:40:02.100
Guy and on a fairground ride. what is going on Oh, yeah, no, but that weird thing where we couldn't quite make out what was happening.

1595
01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:06.239
Isn't that him on that merry-go-round?

1596
01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:10.319
That why he's going around and around and around at the beginning when he 1st turns up in the Nexus.

1597
01:40:10.380 --> 01:40:12.359
Yeah, see, I'd rather be here.

1598
01:40:12.420 --> 01:40:14.579
I don't know that I'd want. to be shocked.

1599
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.039
I just got to go back to seeing the Enterprise blown to shit.

1600
01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:25.739
Well, it'll come again. you'll get that soon I mean, I never thought I'd say this, but you know, I'd rather be back watching a Klingon's tits.

1601
01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:29.640
Yeah, yeah. than Picard's lurid fantasy life.

1602
01:40:29.699 --> 01:40:31.920
Awful, dreadful fantasy life.

1603
01:40:31.979 --> 01:40:34.319
See at least Kirk's got a better fantasy, I think.

1604
01:40:34.619 --> 01:40:36.840
Oh, but no, you know what?

1605
01:40:36.899 --> 01:40:38.220
Like Shatter's in these scenes.

1606
01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:42.960
So automatically the quality of this film has just raised a little bit, isn't it?

1607
01:40:43.020 --> 01:40:43.560
Yeah.

1608
01:40:43.619 --> 01:40:44.460
Yeah.

1609
01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:49.319
Well, he just has such a easy charm about it. that's right.

1610
01:40:49.380 --> 01:40:52.920
In a way that Stuart doesn't, like, and that character isn't designed to be like that.

1611
01:40:52.979 --> 01:40:58.560
He's designed to be, you know, like he's softened a bit from how kind of obnoxious he was in series one.

1612
01:40:58.619 --> 01:41:02.460
Um, but he's a little bit more kind of driven.

1613
01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:08.939
I do like how that is contrasted here because it's that wonderful bit where he says, you know, you're a Starfleet officer.

1614
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.600
And Kirk goes, you know, don't quote rules and regulations to me.

1615
01:41:12.659 --> 01:41:15.779
I was saving the universe when you were still out in diapers.

1616
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

1617
01:41:16.619 --> 01:41:18.060
That's a really good line too.

1618
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:26.520
I quickly use this moment to drop the moment where Braga and Moore met William Shatner for the one and only time.

1619
01:41:26.579 --> 01:41:28.680
Oh, what did he say?

1620
01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:43.500
He manages to literally take control of the entire meeting. with 3 words as they walked in and they knew the 2nd they walked in, okay, whatever is the outcome of this, we're basically making the movie that Bill Shatner wants to make.

1621
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:44.340
Yeah.

1622
01:41:44.340 --> 01:41:46.739
They walked in and he just went.

1623
01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:48.300
They're so young.

1624
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:50.880
And that's it.

1625
01:41:50.939 --> 01:41:52.920
He was in charge from that point on.

1626
01:41:53.220 --> 01:42:03.119
So, Stuart is 9 or 10 years younger than, um, Other than Shatner.

1627
01:42:03.779 --> 01:42:07.079
I feel like Shatner just has a youthfulness about it.

1628
01:42:07.140 --> 01:42:08.880
Yeah, you could never tell that.

1629
01:42:08.939 --> 01:42:15.000
But look at the big dog, and that is heaven is where you go and your dog is alive again.

1630
01:42:15.060 --> 01:42:22.560
You know, like, that's a better fantasy than those fucking ugly children in their edges.

1631
01:42:22.619 --> 01:42:23.880
I can buy into that more.

1632
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:28.079
Yeah, yeah, Butler's still... in the country with a dog.

1633
01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:36.300
With a dog, you know, someone beautiful upstairs. rather than, it does expose, you know, that Picard is the inferior character here.

1634
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:38.460
That is his fantasy life in comparison.

1635
01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.279
Yeah, but it doesn't ring true to the character at all.

1636
01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:46.560
It's just, I think it's like, is it Americans trying to write an English person?

1637
01:42:46.619 --> 01:42:48.060
Like, I just don't understand it.

1638
01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:49.079
It's very bad.

1639
01:42:49.140 --> 01:42:55.079
No, I'm going to ask you something now and I never normally do this and I can't believe I'm boiling it down to this.

1640
01:42:55.140 --> 01:42:56.880
But it's a question that's asked a lot.

1641
01:42:57.359 --> 01:42:59.340
Kirk or Picard.

1642
01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:07.079
Yeah, well, you see, I would always have said Picard, but I think it's Kirk.

1643
01:43:07.140 --> 01:43:09.479
He's more fun, isn't he?

1644
01:43:09.539 --> 01:43:10.020
Yeah.

1645
01:43:10.020 --> 01:43:10.619
Yeah.

1646
01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:15.359
Like, Picard's a bit more thoughtful, but I think Kirk is just so much fun to watch.

1647
01:43:15.420 --> 01:43:16.800
Yeah.

1648
01:43:16.859 --> 01:43:17.939
Yeah.

1649
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.659
No, they're not just eggs, mate, friend. they're Qatarian eggs.

1650
01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:25.140
Of course they are, and they're weird space looking eggs, which is pretty great.

1651
01:43:25.380 --> 01:43:42.659
So, you know, um, Sorry, uh, Braga and Moore said about this scene where he's cooking breakfast. you know, people would expect us to bring the 2 captains together and for it to be this massive climactic sequence, you know, on a staff ship, that would be off fame in the galaxy.

1652
01:43:43.020 --> 01:43:47.699
No, we decided to push against all of that and give them something that they never expected.

1653
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:56.520
Captain Kirk making scrambled eggs and Picard going to get the ingredients and then they both look, look, oh, I don't know if they're looking at each other.

1654
01:43:56.579 --> 01:43:57.359
I'm assuming they are.

1655
01:43:57.420 --> 01:43:59.159
They go, what were we thinking?

1656
01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:00.659
Yeah.

1657
01:44:00.659 --> 01:44:04.619
I mean, that's the thing acknowledge that this approach was not the right approach.

1658
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:05.340
Yeah, yeah.

1659
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:18.479
So they're given $5000000 to go away and shoot the ending of this, and they, so they're given additional money from the studio to go and fix the ending.

1660
01:44:18.539 --> 01:44:24.239
So at the beginning, like the original plan was to have Soren shoot Kirk.

1661
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:30.840
So he shoots him in the back and they did a test screening with an audience and they're all there.

1662
01:44:30.899 --> 01:44:32.279
All the creative team are there as well.

1663
01:44:32.340 --> 01:44:35.579
And apparently the 1st half of the movie, people are enjoying it.

1664
01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:37.439
They're laughing at data's terrible jokes.

1665
01:44:37.500 --> 01:44:43.020
They're, you know, crying and whooping as the enterprise is destroyed for some bizarre reason.

1666
01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:44.579
And then the ending hits.

1667
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:49.079
Kirk shot in the back and apparently you could hear a pin drop in there.

1668
01:44:49.140 --> 01:44:55.140
And then the movie ended and nobody was satisfied and they basically went, it was good until the point where Ko died.

1669
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:55.680
That was terrible.

1670
01:44:55.739 --> 01:45:07.020
And the woman that was responsible for bringing this all to life, it was Berman's boss or something like that, from the studio, said, there's £5000000 changed.

1671
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:10.920
You got a good picture, but you got a terrible ending to go and change the ending.

1672
01:45:10.979 --> 01:45:17.760
And so they they actually, this is a repaired version of the sequence in the nexus.

1673
01:45:17.819 --> 01:45:21.659
Like they try and make it more coherent and clearly fail.

1674
01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.899
Um, and then the whole idea.

1675
01:45:24.899 --> 01:45:26.039
No, I think they've done all these bits.

1676
01:45:26.100 --> 01:45:28.079
Yeah, but I think that's in the camp.

1677
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:33.420
They tied it up. reshoot here, but they do re, they give the, the whole thing.

1678
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:34.439
But you know what they did instead?

1679
01:45:34.500 --> 01:45:41.159
Do you remember caretaker and that aconizing sequence at the end where they're going up that bloody staircase that's falling apart?

1680
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.159
Oh, okay, yeah.

1681
01:45:44.220 --> 01:45:44.579
You remember?

1682
01:45:44.579 --> 01:45:53.699
They're trying to escape out of the camping place, and Chakotay and Tom Paris are going up that, and it takes 10 minutes, and the staircase starts falling away from the mountain.

1683
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:55.380
Well, that's this.

1684
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:56.819
Yeah, yeah.

1685
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:01.739
And it's, may I say, it's as undramatic and unclimactic as it is here?

1686
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:03.060
Yeah.

1687
01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:21.539
So presumably in theory, he's saving the crew, although no one's mentioned that in the film, he's saving the Enterprise crew by preventing Soren from shooting the missile, and he's saving the people of Meridian 4, who we also don't care about in any way.

1688
01:46:21.539 --> 01:46:26.640
And I have just vacationed on Meridian 4.

1689
01:46:26.819 --> 01:46:29.880
And I have to say, I spoke to the political leaders.

1690
01:46:29.939 --> 01:46:33.899
They are appalled at your lack of care for their safety.

1691
01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:34.920
Yeah.

1692
01:46:34.979 --> 01:46:36.420
Well, tell them they can get fucked.

1693
01:46:39.180 --> 01:46:49.500
So all he does is he gets the box so that he can de-cloak the thing and press the button so Picard can go up and do the things.

1694
01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:53.460
So it's actually not much better than having him shot.

1695
01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:55.500
In fact, it might be a bit worse.

1696
01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:57.779
But at least he has agency.

1697
01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:59.159
You know, he gets to leap.

1698
01:46:59.220 --> 01:47:02.340
He gets to do a brave thing and leap from one side of the bridge to the other.

1699
01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:03.539
All of that, you know.

1700
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:05.100
No, no, no.

1701
01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:06.960
That's captain fucking car.

1702
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:07.680
Yeah, I know.

1703
01:47:07.739 --> 01:47:13.020
It's miserable He should go out saving the entire galaxy. some spectacular way.

1704
01:47:13.140 --> 01:47:16.979
Instead, we're down on some miserable looking planet on his own.

1705
01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:19.020
He's not even saving his crew.

1706
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:21.960
No, he's going up a staircase.

1707
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:27.479
He just falls down into a canyon and I mean, it's it is spectacularly ill judged.

1708
01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:29.579
Yeah, it's bad, isn't it?

1709
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:37.260
And I think it is because they're not used to riding at the scale that a feature film requires.

1710
01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:40.800
No, I think they're doing what they said that they were doing.

1711
01:47:40.859 --> 01:47:43.079
They were trying to push against expectations.

1712
01:47:43.140 --> 01:47:47.579
You're never going to think Captain Kirk's going to go out in this way and some quarry would...

1713
01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:51.180
Yeah, and the reason you're not going to think that is because it's a fucking terrible idea.

1714
01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:53.399
Like, it's just a bad idea.

1715
01:47:53.460 --> 01:47:54.960
It's a bad approach.

1716
01:47:55.020 --> 01:47:59.159
And if you're going to have, if you've got Duhan and Chekhov.

1717
01:47:59.220 --> 01:48:05.460
I mean, if they're going to be in this movie for a couple of scenes, yeah, make that the climax, him saving them at least.

1718
01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:10.920
I also think too, this is the moment at which he decides actually no, I'm going to go back.

1719
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:17.340
And he explains it's because he's taken that jump before and he's always been scared when he does it.

1720
01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:17.880
There it is again.

1721
01:48:17.939 --> 01:48:18.779
We get it done twice.

1722
01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:32.699
But because it's so poorly directed, we don't see what that jump is like, we don't see him while he's doing the jump, so we don't see what he's feeling, which is what it's a film.

1723
01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:35.100
You know, we should be able to see how someone feels.

1724
01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:37.319
Instead, he goes back and explains that.

1725
01:48:37.319 --> 01:48:41.520
And here we're getting that line of dialogue where he explains it.

1726
01:48:41.579 --> 01:48:43.020
It's all just so...

1727
01:48:43.020 --> 01:48:47.640
I can actually remember that. watching this movie in the cinema and during these sequences.

1728
01:48:47.699 --> 01:48:49.260
I was just so confused.

1729
01:48:49.319 --> 01:48:50.640
I think I was a bit drunk, actually.

1730
01:48:50.699 --> 01:48:52.319
I was so confused though.

1731
01:48:52.380 --> 01:48:53.640
I'm like, you should have tried that.

1732
01:48:53.699 --> 01:48:55.920
Why are we just watching them horse riding?

1733
01:48:55.979 --> 01:48:56.880
I don't get it.

1734
01:48:56.939 --> 01:48:58.199
Yeah, yeah.

1735
01:48:58.260 --> 01:48:59.579
Yeah.

1736
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:00.060
Then there we go.

1737
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:01.739
And maybe...

1738
01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:02.340
Nothing here is real.

1739
01:49:02.399 --> 01:49:03.539
Nothing matters.

1740
01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:07.800
As a TNG story.

1741
01:49:07.859 --> 01:49:13.739
Maybe we should be a little less cerebral and a little more impact, you know?

1742
01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:16.140
Which again is what they go for in the next movie.

1743
01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:17.640
There's not much thought in that movie.

1744
01:49:17.699 --> 01:49:19.439
But boy, it's exciting to watch.

1745
01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:33.539
No, I think there is, I think, the B plot on earth where they're trying to ensure that 1st contact happens on schedule is exactly what they should be doing and it is about what Star Trek is by establishing that importance.

1746
01:49:33.779 --> 01:49:35.579
They gauge the emotion world, don't they?

1747
01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:40.859
Do you remember the bit where it finally happens and the Vulcans come out and they meet for the 1st time and it's really beautiful.

1748
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:41.819
Yeah.

1749
01:49:41.819 --> 01:49:42.420
Yeah.

1750
01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:48.899
And that's a huge moment and they say what it leads to. is exactly what this should be between Kirk and Picard.

1751
01:49:49.020 --> 01:49:53.520
But the thing that's, well, I've said that there's lots of things about this movie that are very confusing.

1752
01:49:53.579 --> 01:49:56.460
But they don't need to pass the baton on.

1753
01:49:56.520 --> 01:50:02.399
No, original series ended in a spectacular failure in season three.

1754
01:50:02.460 --> 01:50:09.659
TNG came along in a spectacular success in a vertical series one, but they built up their own audience.

1755
01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:11.340
They've already passed the battle on.

1756
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:12.720
They've already proven themselves.

1757
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.300
So what is this all about then?

1758
01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:16.560
is this all about?

1759
01:50:16.619 --> 01:50:17.399
Yeah, I know.

1760
01:50:17.460 --> 01:50:25.020
And the 6th film, like Star Trek 6 ends in a wonderful way, if that's the last time we ever saw them, that would be spectacular.

1761
01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:28.380
You know, the 1st day on the right for Australia. morning?

1762
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:29.579
That's why he didn't come back.

1763
01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:31.439
That's why he didn't come back.

1764
01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:33.000
He said, I had such a great ending in six.

1765
01:50:33.060 --> 01:50:47.579
I don't want to spoil that It's a beautiful ending, and I think they do spoil it by doing this by having sort of half the crew and kind of its kirk and 22 of the lesser kind of secondary characters come through, having Kirk die in this sort of futile way.

1766
01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:50.100
Like, I just think it spoiled.

1767
01:50:50.939 --> 01:50:54.960
For 5 minutes now, we have been watching them horse riding and fucking about in fields.

1768
01:50:55.020 --> 01:50:57.479
Like the pacing of this movie is very odd.

1769
01:50:57.539 --> 01:50:59.460
This is the climax, right?

1770
01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:10.439
This is the climax of the movie and we take some time off to celebrate Christmas with Picard's ugly children and then to ride around with horse. just miserable.

1771
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:13.079
Oh, dear.

1772
01:51:13.140 --> 01:51:16.859
Maybe this is the point where Picard finally jumps the shark.

1773
01:51:18.060 --> 01:51:21.899
If that's his fantasy life, he's irredeemable, you know?

1774
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:25.859
Yeah, but the 2nd film gets it exactly right. doesn't it?

1775
01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:35.220
So it still has the big kind of thing, like it's got a character arc for Picard, which is not groundbreaking, but it's coherent.

1776
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:41.039
It's got the B plot about what the what the federation is and why it's important.

1777
01:51:41.100 --> 01:51:44.520
And that's a peculiarly next generation thing, isn't it?

1778
01:51:44.579 --> 01:51:46.979
Because we didn't have that backstory in original track.

1779
01:51:47.460 --> 01:51:53.819
His big active moment in this is probably supposed to be the bit where he cries over the photo album, isn't it?

1780
01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:58.439
His big active moment in 1st contact is the line must be drawn here.

1781
01:51:58.500 --> 01:52:00.600
There's far and no further.

1782
01:52:00.659 --> 01:52:01.380
No, don't get me wrong.

1783
01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:04.680
I think it's just as badly acted, but it's far more memorable.

1784
01:52:04.739 --> 01:52:06.180
And it's fun.

1785
01:52:06.239 --> 01:52:07.800
Like, it's a fun line.

1786
01:52:07.859 --> 01:52:09.239
It's not like that miserable.

1787
01:52:09.300 --> 01:52:11.880
When they took the piss out of it, DS 9. with cork.

1788
01:52:11.939 --> 01:52:14.159
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:52:14.579 --> 01:52:15.840
Yeah, he gets that set.

1790
01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:19.140
I refuse to bring civilisation end.

1791
01:52:19.260 --> 01:52:20.819
The line must be drawn here.

1792
01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:26.760
Oh, why are we watching DS9 instead of this bullshit?

1793
01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:29.880
Yeah, it's hard to say, isn't it?

1794
01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:35.220
Okay, so Kirk now is going to be a hero and take on Soren, I think.

1795
01:52:35.699 --> 01:52:37.260
Yeah.

1796
01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:38.520
No.

1797
01:52:38.579 --> 01:52:44.039
No, he dies getting a box, which gets dropped by accident.

1798
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:51.960
So, you know, in the in the beginning sequence where he goes missing from the enterprise.

1799
01:52:52.020 --> 01:52:53.159
Yeah.

1800
01:52:53.220 --> 01:52:55.800
Did he just get sort of sucked into the nexus?

1801
01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:56.340
Yeah.

1802
01:52:56.699 --> 01:52:58.199
Oh.

1803
01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:02.699
And because that's that's where those guys were pulled out of.

1804
01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:18.600
They were rescuing them from the Nexus, but they were going to end up in the Nexus, so that all of those refugees, all of those refugees whom they rescue were actually all on their way to heaven, and then they got killed and sort of pulled out of there and stuff.

1805
01:53:19.020 --> 01:53:24.659
Oh, that's quite a nice stump there with not Malcolm McDowell hanging off the mountain off the thing.

1806
01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:24.960
Yeah.

1807
01:53:25.020 --> 01:53:28.920
Yeah, someone with Malcolm approximately Malcolm McDowell's hair.

1808
01:53:28.979 --> 01:53:32.819
I don't know why all the stuff around this one like staircase.

1809
01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:33.960
It just feels so cheap.

1810
01:53:34.020 --> 01:53:36.420
I don't know. and there's his remote.

1811
01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:38.640
So he's cloaked it.

1812
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.920
Is he cloaked it?

1813
01:53:40.979 --> 01:53:41.640
So what happens?

1814
01:53:41.699 --> 01:53:47.579
That means Picard can't stop it because he can't see what buttons to press because it's invisible.

1815
01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:49.859
Now we've dropped the box by accident.

1816
01:53:50.220 --> 01:53:52.140
We're following...

1817
01:53:52.140 --> 01:53:58.439
Instead of having Picard and Kirk in a prolonged and rather dull and uninvolving action sequence.

1818
01:53:58.500 --> 01:54:11.520
I would have been far more excited had the pair of them, you know, had this been about an evil supercomputer, and the pair of them had to be witty and bring down the computer, because both Picard and Kirk would have different ways of doing that, and it'd be really into that driftful old cliche.

1819
01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:13.079
It'll be really...

1820
01:54:13.619 --> 01:54:17.100
Just nearly anything would have been better than this.

1821
01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:19.319
Just anything. anything.

1822
01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:22.560
And I can, like, what's happening here?

1823
01:54:22.619 --> 01:54:26.819
So this is all the new footage now, isn't it, of a clerk hanging off the bridge?

1824
01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:28.680
Yeah, and all of that.

1825
01:54:28.739 --> 01:54:31.800
But it isn't much of an improvement, I think.

1826
01:54:31.859 --> 01:54:38.520
No, I mean, what is it Indiana Jones where he's on the rope bridge and it falls down the canyon and he's hanging.

1827
01:54:38.579 --> 01:54:39.840
I mean, that's way more exciting than this.

1828
01:54:39.899 --> 01:54:41.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah. isn't it?

1829
01:54:41.939 --> 01:54:45.239
That's really properly suspenseful in a sort of literal sense.

1830
01:54:45.300 --> 01:54:49.859
Like it is possible to direct, just Carson's not up to it.

1831
01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:53.819
It's... so tacky.

1832
01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:55.619
It looks a bit like model work.

1833
01:54:57.720 --> 01:54:59.939
Yeah, it's not good, is it?

1834
01:55:00.060 --> 01:55:03.420
Like, it's not well directed at all, this action sequence.

1835
01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:05.939
Like, oh, there are those back.

1836
01:55:05.939 --> 01:55:12.239
You know, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that maybe Carson is about 70% on the problem here.

1837
01:55:12.300 --> 01:55:13.800
I mean, the script is problematic.

1838
01:55:13.859 --> 01:55:14.460
Yeah.

1839
01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:20.699
No, but it is the incomplete transition from TV to film.

1840
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:21.899
That's probably the problem.

1841
01:55:22.020 --> 01:55:27.539
And what's strange is that Frakes, you know, learnt his trade in TV?

1842
01:55:27.659 --> 01:55:31.979
And yet he has the balls in 1st contact to say, no, bigger, bigger.

1843
01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1844
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:40.260
We will have sequences of people walking, walking over the saucer section in spacesuits, you know, quite in the ball.

1845
01:55:40.319 --> 01:55:43.560
But it's why he's directing Star Trek more than 20 years later.

1846
01:55:43.619 --> 01:55:46.380
You know, he's because he's good.

1847
01:55:46.439 --> 01:55:48.060
Don't even, right?

1848
01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:51.600
He's the one that has all those drones zooming around the set.

1849
01:55:51.659 --> 01:55:53.159
Yeah, that's what you want.

1850
01:55:53.220 --> 01:55:55.500
See, he's...

1851
01:55:55.500 --> 01:55:56.159
I'm like you.

1852
01:55:56.220 --> 01:55:59.340
He's learned what TV and these...

1853
01:55:59.340 --> 01:56:00.180
It's to look like.

1854
01:56:05.220 --> 01:56:10.619
Oh, God, will the remote control fall or won't it?

1855
01:56:11.279 --> 01:56:14.399
Even that chain snapping looked really cheap.

1856
01:56:14.460 --> 01:56:15.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1857
01:56:15.779 --> 01:56:21.899
But it's also like, it's also poor old fat build, you know, like... to another.

1858
01:56:21.899 --> 01:56:23.520
Oh, no.

1859
01:56:23.579 --> 01:56:25.739
Oh, not very dignified.

1860
01:56:27.779 --> 01:56:31.920
Do you know when he heard that Captain Kirk was going to be killed in this movie?

1861
01:56:31.979 --> 01:56:34.800
he fully endorsed it I think he'd had enough at this point.

1862
01:56:34.859 --> 01:56:38.159
I don't think even he thought it would be this dull.

1863
01:56:38.220 --> 01:56:48.779
No, because he had every right to go... so that's embarrassing that shot where the bridge is skiing down the side of the thing and then turning over.

1864
01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.119
That's a shitty, shitty shot.

1865
01:56:51.180 --> 01:56:53.640
He's still clinging on though, isn't he?

1866
01:56:53.699 --> 01:56:57.180
Picard goes over to that dreadful DS9 prop.

1867
01:56:57.239 --> 01:56:59.579
It's like, right, we're going to get the line into space.

1868
01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:00.420
Yeah.

1869
01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:02.159
He's gonna switch it.

1870
01:57:02.220 --> 01:57:04.439
Oh no, he's puts the locking clamps on.

1871
01:57:04.500 --> 01:57:05.100
That's right.

1872
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:06.960
So it just explodes in place.

1873
01:57:07.079 --> 01:57:12.899
Do you know, I don't even think even insurrection, which I insurrection again does feel like a two-part.

1874
01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:13.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1875
01:57:13.859 --> 01:57:15.779
Yeah, TNG, just with a huge budget.

1876
01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:22.800
I don't think any part of insurrection feels as cheap as this or as terribly executed as this.

1877
01:57:22.979 --> 01:57:29.220
Yeah, I think it has more of a coherent theme to it as well.

1878
01:57:29.340 --> 01:57:34.500
It's got a few ideas coalescing around old age and stuff that I think sort of work.

1879
01:57:35.100 --> 01:57:37.680
It is just astonishing though, isn't it?

1880
01:57:37.739 --> 01:57:39.359
You think those 6 movies came before this?

1881
01:57:39.420 --> 01:57:43.020
With real ambition, real scales.

1882
01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:43.619
Yeah, yeah.

1883
01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:44.579
Yeah.

1884
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:55.859
But, I mean, just, yeah, Star Trek just is in a movie series, and I always sort of greet the news that they're going to try and revive the movie series or do more Star Trek movies and stuff.

1885
01:57:55.920 --> 01:57:58.079
I just sort of think, no, it's television.

1886
01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:01.500
And it's television for the same reason the Doctor Who is television.

1887
01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:06.479
It's because you can do something different every week And so this is never like that.

1888
01:58:06.539 --> 01:58:09.659
This is never like having Star Trek the Next Generation on air.

1889
01:58:10.260 --> 01:58:12.960
Had Nemoy directed this.

1890
01:58:13.020 --> 01:58:15.000
I think it would be a very different movie.

1891
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:17.159
Yeah, yeah.

1892
01:58:17.220 --> 01:58:18.720
Well, he's good.

1893
01:58:18.779 --> 01:58:23.460
Yeah, he direct... he would have said, what is this shitty ending on the bridge?

1894
01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:25.319
Right, let's rewrite that.

1895
01:58:25.380 --> 01:58:26.279
Yep.

1896
01:58:26.340 --> 01:58:27.000
Yeah.

1897
01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:34.619
Even if they'd had Captain Kirk, I don't know, deactivating a ticking bomb or something like that.

1898
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:36.600
He confronts Soren.

1899
01:58:36.659 --> 01:58:38.220
He confronts Soren.

1900
01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:41.640
They have a philosophical difference about what's important.

1901
01:58:41.699 --> 01:58:42.359
What matters?

1902
01:58:42.420 --> 01:58:51.359
Soren has decided that human mortality means that nothing matters and it's okay to kill the people of Ridian 4 because they're going to die anyway.

1903
01:58:51.420 --> 01:58:54.239
And so it makes life pointless, right?

1904
01:58:54.300 --> 01:58:58.079
Kirk is, you know, retired.

1905
01:58:58.140 --> 01:59:00.180
He's struggling to find life meaningful.

1906
01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:07.380
You know, why doesn't he confront the villain and like get killed in that confrontation?

1907
01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:14.159
Why is he fucking trying to get the TV remote from under the couch and then he falls off to his death?

1908
01:59:14.220 --> 01:59:15.899
Like, it's terrible.

1909
01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:21.600
And the way this is shot through the girl, it's so undramatic. awkward.

1910
01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:25.680
It's just awkward Oh, and apparently they're a big fight.

1911
01:59:25.739 --> 01:59:28.439
You know, he says, my god, or something like that at the end.

1912
01:59:28.500 --> 01:59:30.119
No, it's 0 my.

1913
01:59:30.180 --> 01:59:33.420
Oh my. insisted.

1914
01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:38.279
He goes, and that nobody else wanted it, and he said, I'm going to say, oh, my, whether you want it or not.

1915
01:59:38.340 --> 01:59:40.079
And they were like, why?

1916
01:59:40.140 --> 01:59:41.579
And he said, because he's seeing something.

1917
01:59:41.699 --> 01:59:42.720
Yeah.

1918
01:59:42.779 --> 01:59:43.859
And that's it.

1919
01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:45.300
It was ambiguous about what it was.

1920
01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:47.279
And he would not budge.

1921
01:59:47.340 --> 01:59:59.279
But like there's something about death in this film that never pays off and never really works properly, but he's kind of at least recognised that that's a thing that's happening.

1922
01:59:59.340 --> 02:00:09.420
And if he's a voyager, if he's someone who whose whole life has been travelling from place to place and stuff that this is an entirely new journey.

1923
02:00:09.479 --> 02:00:11.340
I think his instinct's right.

1924
02:00:11.340 --> 02:00:16.260
He's off to seek out new life and new civilisation.

1925
02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:22.199
But, but, you know, that's a much more interesting take than not doing it.

1926
02:00:22.260 --> 02:00:23.880
Jesus Christ.

1927
02:00:23.939 --> 02:00:28.319
Is this supposed to be a take on that sequence in Star Wars, you know, where he sets the pyre alive.

1928
02:00:28.380 --> 02:00:31.680
You've got a card standing there with a bunch of rocks.

1929
02:00:31.739 --> 02:00:34.800
I mean, he shoved a bunch of rocks on top of William Shatner.

1930
02:00:34.859 --> 02:00:37.260
Well, how is he going to bury him in that landscape?

1931
02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:41.880
I just don't think that pile of rocks should have to cover Shatner.

1932
02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.180
Or his ego anyway.

1933
02:00:48.300 --> 02:00:50.760
Oh, dear, oh, dear, oh dear.

1934
02:00:53.819 --> 02:00:56.579
Oh, now we'll get another cat rooms alive, I think.

1935
02:00:56.640 --> 02:01:10.739
If you've got, if you've got like a, an ill-defined threat, the next test, and you've got 0 stakes, the people of Meridian 4, and then you've got no kind of character conclusions.

1936
02:01:10.859 --> 02:01:11.760
No.

1937
02:01:11.819 --> 02:01:13.680
What was the point of any of this?

1938
02:01:13.739 --> 02:01:15.180
Yeah, that's right.

1939
02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:24.539
I mean, you know, like, and it was spectacle and it was a bit of extra time to spend with the people that we had fun with for 7 years and stuff, but it doesn't really amount to anything.

1940
02:01:24.600 --> 02:01:27.960
Um, whereas I think...

1941
02:01:28.020 --> 02:01:31.380
I feel like this should just be it should have just been a lot more fun than it is.

1942
02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.619
Now this makes no fucking sense either, right?

1943
02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:38.399
Here is data and he's talking about how he's overcome his emotions.

1944
02:01:38.460 --> 02:01:40.439
He's going through the ship.

1945
02:01:40.500 --> 02:01:44.819
He either knows or doesn't know that his cat has been found or not.

1946
02:01:46.020 --> 02:01:51.239
Why does it come as a surprise to him that the cat is there?

1947
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:55.739
And only when the cat is there, does it even occur to him that that's a problem?

1948
02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:57.479
Why isn't he worried about his cat?

1949
02:01:57.539 --> 02:01:59.819
Like, this makes no sense.

1950
02:01:59.880 --> 02:02:02.939
He like pulls the thing out and goes, oh, that's right.

1951
02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:06.840
I had a cat and then he starts to feel upset about it.

1952
02:02:06.899 --> 02:02:08.100
It makes no sense.

1953
02:02:08.939 --> 02:02:15.539
And by all accounts, yeah, Spoiler hated this scene, he was like anything but the cat.

1954
02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:17.159
Let me find Geordie.

1955
02:02:17.220 --> 02:02:19.920
Let me find any ensign under there.

1956
02:02:19.979 --> 02:02:21.300
But not the cat.

1957
02:02:21.359 --> 02:02:23.880
And they were like, no, people love the cat.

1958
02:02:23.939 --> 02:02:24.779
It's going to be the cat.

1959
02:02:25.140 --> 02:02:28.560
I think it's adorable on the cat's cool spot.

1960
02:02:28.619 --> 02:02:32.699
I don't think that the genius of that name is properly appreciated.

1961
02:02:32.760 --> 02:02:33.960
It's a dog's name.

1962
02:02:34.020 --> 02:02:37.800
Oh, I think it looks standing like the neighbours doesn't have a...

1963
02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:40.319
Yeah, I've seen that.

1964
02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:41.640
He spends half his life in my house.

1965
02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:42.779
I tell you.

1966
02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:47.279
I would just be sneezing.

1967
02:02:47.340 --> 02:02:53.579
But maybe that's maybe that is a very good indication of the sort of character disconnect that they don't.

1968
02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:55.199
Yeah, but they don't know, like, that makes no sense.

1969
02:02:55.260 --> 02:02:56.880
Does that make any sense at all?

1970
02:02:56.939 --> 02:02:59.699
Like, because if I had a cat?

1971
02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:01.140
And there was a wreckage at my house.

1972
02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:03.479
You'd be looking for the fucking cat.

1973
02:03:03.539 --> 02:03:08.279
He's talking quite calmly as if everything's fine and all my emotions are under control.

1974
02:03:08.340 --> 02:03:14.220
And then he sort of remembers that he has a cat because he sees it and it's still alive and then he's upset.

1975
02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:15.060
It just makes no sense.

1976
02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:16.800
Poor old Professor Gael.

1977
02:03:16.859 --> 02:03:18.000
See what he just picks up there.

1978
02:03:18.060 --> 02:03:24.720
He picked up the thing that Professor Galen gave him at the beginning of Gambit part one, was it?

1979
02:03:24.779 --> 02:03:27.659
that thing. and then he throws it away.

1980
02:03:27.720 --> 02:03:32.100
So, you know, that was a priceless archeological piece, but fuck it.

1981
02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:37.079
At least he's got his space photo album full of pictures.

1982
02:03:37.140 --> 02:03:38.520
This was the only thing I felt anything about.

1983
02:03:38.579 --> 02:03:41.760
Was these destroyed, gutted TNG sets?

1984
02:03:41.819 --> 02:03:43.020
Yeah, sets, yeah.

1985
02:03:43.079 --> 02:03:43.680
Yeah.

1986
02:03:43.739 --> 02:03:44.880
And what about his?

1987
02:03:44.939 --> 02:03:47.220
It kind of feels like the journey's over now, doesn't it?

1988
02:03:47.279 --> 02:03:48.000
Yeah, yeah.

1989
02:03:48.060 --> 02:03:50.340
Well, that's hot, the fish.

1990
02:03:50.460 --> 02:03:51.659
What was the fish called?

1991
02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:52.260
Livingstone.

1992
02:03:52.380 --> 02:03:53.520
They're all counting.

1993
02:03:53.579 --> 02:03:54.000
They all dead.

1994
02:03:54.060 --> 02:03:55.739
Yeah, fish is gone.

1995
02:03:55.800 --> 02:03:59.699
No, it was a lionfish, remember, in the in the little ball in the ready room.

1996
02:03:59.819 --> 02:04:02.220
Can I not say like, has anyone died?

1997
02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:05.579
Yeah, well, yeah, some people had to be here.

1998
02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:06.659
The entire ship crash.

1999
02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:07.920
Is an Earth O'Gower okay?

2000
02:04:07.979 --> 02:04:09.899
Yeah, Mr. Mott.

2001
02:04:11.460 --> 02:04:13.079
That's right.

2002
02:04:13.500 --> 02:04:15.060
All right.

2003
02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:16.439
Two to beam up, come on.

2004
02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.319
I see this bridge in the darkness like this.

2005
02:04:19.380 --> 02:04:21.479
This is the most atmospheric...

2006
02:04:21.479 --> 02:04:22.140
It's overlooked.

2007
02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:24.359
Well, apart from earlier on in this film, I guess.

2008
02:04:25.020 --> 02:04:28.859
No, I think I think you can actually feel something about that scene.

2009
02:04:28.920 --> 02:04:31.920
I know it's pretty long, but you actually can feel something about that.

2010
02:04:31.979 --> 02:04:33.359
And the 2 of them walking around.

2011
02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:36.960
Yeah, I don't know.

2012
02:04:37.020 --> 02:04:37.979
I probably felt a bit more.

2013
02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:40.560
Do you remember when the defiant was blown up in changing face of evil?

2014
02:04:40.619 --> 02:04:42.600
Yeah, but then they bring it back.

2015
02:04:42.659 --> 02:04:45.840
I think I probably felt, oh, yeah, I felt a bit more then, to be honest.

2016
02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:49.260
Okay, so all off beaming away now.

2017
02:04:49.319 --> 02:04:49.859
Is that the end?

2018
02:04:49.979 --> 02:04:50.880
It is.

2019
02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:51.539
To the end.

2020
02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:52.079
Yep.

2021
02:04:52.140 --> 02:04:52.920
Merry Christmas.

2022
02:04:53.460 --> 02:04:58.199
Do you know, I think Dr. Beverly Crusher appeared in about 2.5 minutes in that movie?

2023
02:04:58.260 --> 02:04:59.039
Yeah, yeah.

2024
02:04:59.100 --> 02:05:00.659
Even Marina got more to do.

2025
02:05:00.899 --> 02:05:08.100
So you and I were quite on board for about 20 minutes of that.

2026
02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:08.880
Yeah.

2027
02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:09.479
Yeah.

2028
02:05:09.539 --> 02:05:11.579
And then we were very confused about the rest.

2029
02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:13.500
Oh, Miguel Barrett.

2030
02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:14.340
Oh, the computer voice.

2031
02:05:14.460 --> 02:05:16.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2032
02:05:16.439 --> 02:05:18.420
Oh no, here we go.

2033
02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:23.760
Picard's kids, Matthew Collins, Olivia Hack, you hideous examples of humanity.

2034
02:05:24.420 --> 02:05:28.920
I don't know which one of them is Cindy in the film, but one of them is.

2035
02:05:28.979 --> 02:05:31.380
I think I'm told. don't know.

2036
02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:34.800
All I know is my nightmares will be plagued by those Victorian children.

2037
02:05:34.859 --> 02:05:37.260
Yeah, yeah, just terrible.

2038
02:05:37.319 --> 02:05:38.880
Absolutely terrible.

2039
02:05:38.939 --> 02:05:42.000
Oh, visual effects supervisor Ronald B more.

2040
02:05:42.060 --> 02:05:42.720
Yeah.

2041
02:05:42.779 --> 02:05:43.680
Yeah.

2042
02:05:43.739 --> 02:05:50.039
That's a bit unusual. not his immediate older brother, but his other older brother, just slightly older than him.

2043
02:05:50.460 --> 02:05:54.779
So, well, can I ask you to sort of summarise your thoughts of that movie?

2044
02:05:54.899 --> 02:05:56.279
This is the 1st movie we've done.

2045
02:05:56.340 --> 02:05:58.380
I feel like we've shut all over it from a great height.

2046
02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:05.340
I think that they should have given us some time to miss the next generation crew before bringing them back.

2047
02:06:05.399 --> 02:06:07.500
I know why they didn't.

2048
02:06:07.560 --> 02:06:17.279
You know, like, I think that they wanted to kind of launch this into a new series of movies and wanted to make sure that everyone was still under contract for the 1st one at least.

2049
02:06:17.399 --> 02:06:33.300
And I think it's unambitious and all of the, like all of the faults that we found, the inclusion of the crew from TOS was unnecessary and unbalanced the film, the climax makes no sense.

2050
02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:34.319
There's no stakes.

2051
02:06:34.380 --> 02:06:36.539
It's not clearly about anything.

2052
02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:39.239
Um, and it's a bit of a problem.

2053
02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:39.899
I think.

2054
02:06:39.960 --> 02:06:47.460
And the B plot with data is ill advised and. makes him behave in a way that's obnoxious and that undermines his character.

2055
02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:49.439
It's not what what you want to see Brent doing.

2056
02:06:49.800 --> 02:07:00.539
It's not as Zillas vised as the B plot with data in nemesis, you know, with that 2nd data that comes along and takes its place at the end.

2057
02:07:00.600 --> 02:07:02.640
But, um, do you remember as well?

2058
02:07:02.699 --> 02:07:10.500
Like, when we did the commentary for all good things, and, you know, you had some interesting criticism about that because a lot of people will find out.

2059
02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:16.560
But we were both supremely moved by that final scene where they're playing poker.

2060
02:07:16.619 --> 02:07:17.579
Picard comes in.

2061
02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:25.500
And like in that one scene, I felt more than anything at all in this movie, anything.

2062
02:07:25.619 --> 02:07:32.520
And, and, and, you know, that just shows you can do it with 6 actors, a camera, and a tiny set, you know?

2063
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:33.779
Yeah.

2064
02:07:33.779 --> 02:07:34.920
It's baffling.

2065
02:07:34.979 --> 02:07:38.760
I think it's a baffling transition from TV.

2066
02:07:38.819 --> 02:07:40.260
No, I don't, it's not a transition.

2067
02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:50.159
I think it is, this feels like a made for TV, Next Generation movie, and I think the 1st movie is 1st contact.

2068
02:07:50.220 --> 02:07:51.420
Yeah.

2069
02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:51.960
Yeah.

2070
02:07:52.020 --> 02:08:02.579
But I mean, you know, insurrection is also basically, you know, it's a bit like birthright, parts one and 2 or something. like a late mid-season 2 parter as well.

2071
02:08:02.640 --> 02:08:07.739
And it does all sorts of, uh, sort of ill advised things too.

2072
02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:12.720
But I think it's better and it's more coherent and it's a little bit more forgivable.

2073
02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:16.319
And then just nemesis is awful, isn't it?

2074
02:08:16.380 --> 02:08:18.720
It's just sort of super upsettingly bad.

2075
02:08:18.779 --> 02:08:20.100
Yeah.

2076
02:08:20.220 --> 02:08:36.720
Do you know, I think sort of my summary of this is when TOS finished and then the movies picked up the story, there were still more stories to tell, we'd only had 3 seasons, half those episodes have been terrible.

2077
02:08:36.779 --> 02:08:42.420
Like, you know, those movies did lots of different, interesting, entertaining things.

2078
02:08:42.479 --> 02:08:45.899
We've had 7 seasons of the next generation.

2079
02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:52.680
And they've been churning out all kinds of stories and they've done fresh, interesting, like original things.

2080
02:08:52.739 --> 02:08:58.500
They've also done very tedious sort of things and repetitive space problems.

2081
02:08:59.100 --> 02:09:04.500
But I don't think there were any more stories to tell, really, were they?

2082
02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:09.479
And like even 1st contact, which is a really great movie, it's the more threatening the earth.

2083
02:09:09.539 --> 02:09:13.500
It's going back to Zefron Cocker, and it's all stuff they've done before.

2084
02:09:13.560 --> 02:09:16.859
I don't think there's an original thing in any of these movies.

2085
02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:26.579
But it's clear that they haven't exhausted all of the possibilities that Star Trek affords because we're still successfully making Star Trek over 20 years later.

2086
02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:36.060
I think there's creative exhaustion at this and it was very visible in series 7 of Star Trek the Next Generation.

2087
02:09:36.119 --> 02:09:47.399
You know, they couldn't think of anything new to do, and it becomes clear in Voyager where they're kind of recombining and reheating old TNG plots and stuff.

2088
02:09:47.399 --> 02:09:50.939
And they're doing more than that in Voyager.

2089
02:09:51.000 --> 02:10:01.319
The only original angle that the franchise can take at this point is that static setting of DS9 and consequences and long form storytelling.

2090
02:10:01.380 --> 02:10:03.239
Yeah, doing that, let's not forget.

2091
02:10:03.300 --> 02:10:04.500
No one wanted to do that.

2092
02:10:04.560 --> 02:10:07.079
The studios were like, oh, you know, what are you doing?

2093
02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:08.819
This original storytelling.

2094
02:10:08.880 --> 02:10:26.819
And it is kind of sad because at this point, sort of the interest in Next Generation waned with each movie to the point where Nemesis came along and was considered the film that killed the franchise, you know, until it was picked up by Kurtzman.

2095
02:10:26.880 --> 02:10:27.840
How long later?

2096
02:10:27.899 --> 02:10:28.920
15 years, a long time.

2097
02:10:28.979 --> 02:10:29.880
No, no, no.

2098
02:10:29.939 --> 02:10:36.119
I think until 2009, the Star Trek movies, the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies.

2099
02:10:36.659 --> 02:10:39.960
Which was such a departure from what I'd been before, wasn't it?

2100
02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:41.760
certainly in how it was executed.

2101
02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:45.420
Yeah, I think that those are pretty successful.

2102
02:10:45.479 --> 02:10:46.979
I don't like the middle one very much.

2103
02:10:47.039 --> 02:10:49.979
I like the 1st one and the 3rd one quite a lot.

2104
02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:52.979
I think they're sort of enjoyable and they get the spirit of it.

2105
02:10:53.039 --> 02:10:55.260
They're well cast, you know, they're fun.

2106
02:10:55.319 --> 02:10:57.420
Like they kind of know to be fun.

2107
02:10:57.479 --> 02:10:59.520
Do you think this is the worst?

2108
02:10:59.520 --> 02:11:02.699
Next Generation movie, or do you think that's nemesis?

2109
02:11:02.760 --> 02:11:05.340
I think maybe nemesis, but it has been a long while.

2110
02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:15.779
So this is a film that I have gone back and rewatched from time to time. whereas I don't believe that I've ever gone back and watched Nemesis after seeing it in the cinema.

2111
02:11:15.899 --> 02:11:19.739
I could be wrong but it's just possible that I've seen it only once.

2112
02:11:19.800 --> 02:11:22.439
So I might be wrong.

2113
02:11:22.500 --> 02:11:28.500
I might watch it and discover that it's aged like fine wine in the last 20 years.

2114
02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:29.640
I doubt it.

2115
02:11:29.760 --> 02:11:32.399
I think there's a spectacle to nemesis.

2116
02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:36.720
Yeah, obviously, because it's made after this that far surpasses this movie.

2117
02:11:36.779 --> 02:11:40.260
There's a sequence where 2 ships collide, that is extraordinary.

2118
02:11:40.319 --> 02:11:44.939
But there's a darkness to it as well that feels like a total betrayal.

2119
02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:46.680
Oh, next generation.

2120
02:11:46.739 --> 02:11:47.279
Yeah.

2121
02:11:47.340 --> 02:11:54.479
There was a deliberate choice there, wasn't there, to get someone new in and to get a different look happening and there was an awareness.

2122
02:11:54.539 --> 02:12:03.180
Like insurrection look so much like a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode because you've got the same people doing all of the same sort of stuff.

2123
02:12:03.239 --> 02:12:07.739
And so they decide to get a new director and get a new look happening and stuff.

2124
02:12:07.739 --> 02:12:09.180
And it just...

2125
02:12:09.239 --> 02:12:10.800
Which wasn't a terrible idea.

2126
02:12:10.859 --> 02:12:12.060
No, absolutely not.

2127
02:12:12.060 --> 02:12:13.199
It didn't work.

2128
02:12:13.260 --> 02:12:18.960
And I think the crew, the axes really hated the director.

2129
02:12:19.020 --> 02:12:24.659
And you can you can almost tell they are begrudgingly making this movie with him.

2130
02:12:25.619 --> 02:12:29.279
But like, okay, let's let's very quickly then.

2131
02:12:29.340 --> 02:12:33.899
I just want to show the 1st 10 minutes with Kirk, the crash of the Enterprise.

2132
02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:38.039
This movie is not without, it's Lurser of Betel.

2133
02:12:38.100 --> 02:12:39.720
Not without his highlights.

2134
02:12:39.779 --> 02:12:44.520
As a whole though, I think it is a bit of a failure.

2135
02:12:44.579 --> 02:12:46.800
Yeah, I'd agree with that.

2136
02:12:46.859 --> 02:12:49.979
I had some fun. here and there and it's Star Trek.

2137
02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:50.880
I love Star Trek.

2138
02:12:50.939 --> 02:12:52.739
But yeah, I think it is a failure.

2139
02:12:57.300 --> 02:13:05.039
All right, it's the end of the episode, and we are now going to choose what we're going to look at next time.

2140
02:13:05.100 --> 02:13:07.739
It's my turn to hit the button on the randomiser.

2141
02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:11.159
So Joe, ask me what series we're going to be choosing from.

2142
02:13:11.220 --> 02:13:13.920
Nathan, what series are we going to be choosing from?

2143
02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:25.079
We are going to choose a Kurtzman Trek, so a modern Trek episode from any of the 6 series that that comprises.

2144
02:13:25.140 --> 02:13:31.199
So Discovery, Short Treks, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds.

2145
02:13:31.260 --> 02:13:32.880
It's wide open.

2146
02:13:32.939 --> 02:13:38.340
Eclectic bunch of TV shows. is quite a variety there.

2147
02:13:38.460 --> 02:13:39.659
All right, here goes.

2148
02:13:40.619 --> 02:13:50.699
Ooh, so it's Star Trek Lower Decks. series 3, episode one, grounded.

2149
02:13:51.180 --> 02:13:53.159
Oh.

2150
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:55.979
Tented, you know?

2151
02:13:56.039 --> 02:13:56.699
No.

2152
02:13:56.760 --> 02:14:01.680
So series 2 ends with a cliffhanger, which you're probably not even aware of.

2153
02:14:01.739 --> 02:14:09.239
And so episode one of series 3 resolves the cliffhanger or is mostly about Mariner trying to resolve the cliffhanger.

2154
02:14:09.300 --> 02:14:15.479
And so she's grounded in both senses in the sense that, you know, she's not allowed to do things.

2155
02:14:15.479 --> 02:14:21.180
She has to behave, but also, you know, the captain's gone and blah, blah, blah.

2156
02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:21.840
What do you reckon?

2157
02:14:21.899 --> 02:14:23.880
No, I'm going to press it again.

2158
02:14:23.939 --> 02:14:25.680
Oh, balls.

2159
02:14:25.739 --> 02:14:27.000
I really want us to do lower decks.

2160
02:14:27.060 --> 02:14:27.359
Go on.

2161
02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:32.460
Okay, series two, episode 10, the Red Angel.

2162
02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:35.819
This is Discovery, Star Trek Discovery, series two, episode 10.

2163
02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:37.079
The Red Angel.

2164
02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:43.260
That's tempting as well because I know that's the one season of discovery that you are a little on the fence with.

2165
02:14:43.319 --> 02:14:45.779
Yeah, and it's quite near the end as well.

2166
02:14:45.840 --> 02:14:50.100
I think they might be the big revelation or something about Michael's mother there.

2167
02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:52.319
Isn't she the red angel?

2168
02:14:52.380 --> 02:14:54.119
I can't really remember.

2169
02:14:54.180 --> 02:14:57.840
I just remember she does a lot of crying about it, whatever it is.

2170
02:14:57.899 --> 02:14:58.800
Yeah she does.

2171
02:14:58.859 --> 02:14:59.399
She does.

2172
02:14:59.460 --> 02:15:01.859
I'm going to give it another go.

2173
02:15:02.039 --> 02:15:03.479
Okay.

2174
02:15:06.659 --> 02:15:08.880
It's one we've done already.

2175
02:15:08.939 --> 02:15:12.300
Time of Mark Star Trek prodigy series, season one, episode eight.

2176
02:15:12.420 --> 02:15:14.819
Oh, that's a fun show.

2177
02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:16.500
Yeah, it is.

2178
02:15:16.560 --> 02:15:21.779
Okay, lower decks, Star Trek Lower Deck, series 3, episode 4 room for growth.

2179
02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:23.939
Series 3 episode four.

2180
02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:25.680
That's not the DS9 one. is it?

2181
02:15:25.739 --> 02:15:26.880
No.

2182
02:15:26.939 --> 02:15:29.340
Oh, what a shame.

2183
02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:32.340
Yeah, so this is a little bit of a strange one.

2184
02:15:32.399 --> 02:15:34.260
It is a little bit of a strange one.

2185
02:15:34.319 --> 02:15:35.760
It is funny.

2186
02:15:35.819 --> 02:15:36.899
Obviously they all are.

2187
02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:43.979
But it's stuff about the engineering crew being overworked and going to a spa and all sorts of stuff like that.

2188
02:15:44.039 --> 02:15:45.479
It's uh, it's fun.

2189
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:47.699
They're all fun.

2190
02:15:48.239 --> 02:15:50.579
I'm going to press another button.

2191
02:15:50.699 --> 02:15:51.239
One more time.

2192
02:15:51.600 --> 02:15:54.000
Oh, okay, it's this.

2193
02:15:54.060 --> 02:16:02.460
So this is Star Trek, Lower Decks, season two, episode four, Mugato Gumato.

2194
02:16:02.520 --> 02:16:08.279
So it is... this is really great.

2195
02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:12.479
Do you know what the Megato are?

2196
02:16:12.539 --> 02:16:21.420
They're sort of white furred alien gorillas with a big horn at the top of their head?

2197
02:16:21.479 --> 02:16:25.199
Yeah, and the reason it's called Legato.

2198
02:16:25.260 --> 02:16:35.579
It's called Megato Gomato because everyone pronounces the name of those aliens in that Star Trek episode incorrectly in various different ways.

2199
02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.040
And so this.

2200
02:16:38.100 --> 02:16:49.440
This is about, this is about people who are, they have to sort of deal with people who are smuggling and illegally trading in these Gumatos or Megatos or whatever they're called.

2201
02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:51.780
And it's really, really properly funny.

2202
02:16:51.840 --> 02:16:52.920
I really like it.

2203
02:16:52.979 --> 02:16:54.600
So I think we're going with that.

2204
02:16:54.659 --> 02:16:55.200
What do you reckon?

2205
02:16:55.260 --> 02:16:57.000
That sounds amazing.

2206
02:16:57.059 --> 02:17:06.719
I'm almost certain that this will have the charm, character development, and set pieces that Star Trek generations fail to deliver.

2207
02:17:06.780 --> 02:17:08.100
I can guarantee it.

2208
02:17:24.600 --> 02:17:29.520
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

2209
02:17:29.579 --> 02:17:34.799
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

2210
02:17:34.860 --> 02:17:39.780
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

2211
02:17:39.899 --> 02:17:44.760
This episode was recorded on the 12th of December 2022 and released on the 23rd of December.

2212
02:17:44.819 --> 02:17:49.139
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, Mugato Gumato.

2213
02:18:22.200 --> 02:18:24.059
Guess whose go it is on the randomiser?

2214
02:18:24.120 --> 02:18:25.979
Yours.

2215
02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:26.760
Mm hmm.

2216
02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:31.379
I haven't had any thoughts.

2217
02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:37.860
Jesus Christ, I must go to the loop. clock. to the end. you dare for that in at the end.

2218
02:18:38.459 --> 02:18:40.500
Me talking about Tom.

2219
02:18:40.979 --> 02:18:44.040
We've been recording for 2 hours and 33 minutes.

2220
02:18:44.219 --> 02:18:45.840
I know.

2221
02:18:48.899 --> 02:18:50.219
Fair criticism is about that, though.

2222
02:18:50.340 --> 02:18:51.899
Yeah, yeah.

2223
02:18:51.959 --> 02:18:52.920
Look, it's all right.

2224
02:18:52.979 --> 02:18:53.579
It's okay.

2225
02:18:53.639 --> 02:18:56.100
Like, it's just, like, no one died.

2226
02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:57.120
It's a Star Trek movie.

2227
02:18:57.180 --> 02:18:59.760
It's fine, but, um, just not very good.

2228
02:18:59.819 --> 02:19:04.620
I just think people love us when we're, We don't enjoy things, so...

2229
02:19:05.459 --> 02:19:08.340
We get more comments about those episodes.

2230
02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:13.379
Ah, what do I want to do?

2231
02:19:13.440 --> 02:19:14.940
What do I want to do?

2232
02:19:15.659 --> 02:19:18.239
Not Star Trek.

2233
02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:19.020
Do is do it.

2234
02:19:19.020 --> 02:19:20.040
What those guys?

2235
02:19:20.100 --> 02:19:21.180
Zika, Zika.

2236
02:19:22.860 --> 02:19:25.139
No, we've done a bit of that now.

2237
02:19:25.200 --> 02:19:26.280
We've done a bit of DS9.

2238
02:19:26.459 --> 02:19:27.780
We did a bit too well.

2239
02:19:27.840 --> 02:19:29.219
We haven't gone to Curtsment for ages.

2240
02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:30.239
We probably should, you know.

2241
02:19:30.899 --> 02:19:32.819
Maybe discovery.

2242
02:19:33.540 --> 02:19:35.819
Maybe strange new else.

2243
02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:39.180
Okay, I'm going to put that in as well.

2244
02:19:40.500 --> 02:19:45.059
We've only done ever done 2 Picard, so that's...

2245
02:19:45.059 --> 02:19:46.739
We've only done any lower decks.

2246
02:19:46.799 --> 02:19:48.059
Can't you just put elsewhere?

2247
02:19:48.120 --> 02:19:49.319
Put it all in.

2248
02:19:49.379 --> 02:19:52.379
Sorry, I hate to manipulate you like this.

2249
02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:53.100
No, that's good.

2250
02:19:54.180 --> 02:19:57.239
All right, it's the end of the episode.