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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we chose last week, I'm just contextualising this, because basically we have only ourselves to blame.

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Last week we said we were going to roll and reroll until we got a bad Star Trek, the Next Generation episode and preferably one from series one or series two.

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And I think Mission accomplished.

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I think this might be the worst episode we've ever done.

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To quote you in a previous episode, Mayo, I congratulate us on a spectacular success.

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Yeah, because this was tubious on a level.

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I didn't know existed until I watched it.

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Yeah, and that's the point of it.

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I mean, we've done clunkers.

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We had great fun watching sub rows.

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You had fun watching Spock's brain.

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I mean, we've watched things that are sort of generally regarded as kind of terrible, but I've never been so bored and I really struggle to concentrate all the way through.

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It's really bad.

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The thing that really leapt out at me about this one was, I was going, what the hell am I going to talk about in this episode?

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you know?

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And then it was sort of all the stuff around it that was far more interesting than the episode itself.

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This is Troy and that, you know, the implications of Roddenbury, sex obsession that comes into TNG.

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You know, the season 2 writer strike, that affected this, early TNG, which is a very interesting place to visit.

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Yeah, but the episode itself, there's just nothing to this.

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There's no substance to it.

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There's no sort of, I don't think there's a narrative.

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They suggest at the end of this that there was a plot all along, but the plot doesn't exist until that last scene.

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Yeah.

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And there's not even like a character story going on here, isn't it?

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It's just, Mrs. Troy is horny.

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That's the point.

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Yeah, and you know, it's easy to imagine an episode with that premise that's actually funny and that's not kind of mean-spirited towards Mrs. Troy, but that's not what we get here.

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And partly it's because they're all doing their early performances and Marina in particular needed to be funnier than she's kind of allowing herself to be here.

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There is a world's difference between, I don't know, Nepenthe that we watched in Picard.

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I mean, they could practically be different characters.

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She has got a stick so far up her butt in this episode.

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And like some of these lines, they're not great lines, but if you just said them, like if you relax the little bit and have some fun with them, instead, she's just playing the whole thing up tight.

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I'm like, this just isn't funny.

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No, and I think that has to be how she's been instructed to do it or how the character is conceived, I think.

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And so like that's a problem.

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What, what I think the, the basic problem is, is that there's plot but no story.

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And so it's very clear that the writers are just desperate to come up with 45 minutes of material.

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And so none of it matters.

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It is just using up the time.

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And it's a series 2 problem, I think, because they don't have riders.

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You know, sometimes they're recycling old scripts from Star Trek phase two, like the child.

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And sometimes they're just kind of, well, I mean, it's a short season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is a short season. shade of gray at the end of the season.

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They're like, well we've got no story at all.

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Let's just do some linking narration around clips and put a load of clips out.

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Yeah, I've seen that done pretty well on other shows, but they just fudge it in Shade of Grey.

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This is written by Tracy Tormay, who contributes a fair amount of episodes in series one or two.

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There's actually a sequel to 2 Tracy Tourmet episodes.

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It's a sequel to Haven, which is the 1st Luaxander Troy episode, and it's a sequel to The Big Goodbye, which is the 1st Dixon Hill episode.

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And I don't think Haven's great, but I actually think Mrs. Troy is a lot of fun in that episode and she brings a bit of sort of crass humour to TNG that he desperately needed in season one, which is so bloody po-faced.

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And the Dixon Hill episode in season one is one of the best and they really lean into that sort of noir-ish atmosphere and it's stylish as hell.

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And may I say Gates McFadden looks absolutely bloody gorgeous when she steps onto that holodeck.

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But for some reason, bringing those 2 things together here, well, that just doesn't work at all.

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No, no.

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What's interesting is that this was heavily rewritten by Maurice Hurley, who nobody has a good word to say about, and it sounds like he spent most of that 2nd season pissing everybody off, including the regulars.

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And Tracy Tomay took his name off this because he was so appalled with the rewrites that Maurice Hurley had dumb.

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And originally this was supposed to be a much more leaning into the Dixon Hill and having a plot within the Dixon Hill.

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What happens is, is those 2 plots jam together very awkwardly.

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I was watching this from my other half and he was going, how is this and this, Mrs. Troy?

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and this detective story?

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How is this connected?

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And then it's just her coming on there.

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Like falling in love with one of the holodeck characters for 2 minutes.

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Yes.

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And then the episode ends.

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It's just so awkward.

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No, it's not like, you know, we've had episodes with an A plot and a B plot that haven't been related to one another and don't kind of have any particular resonance.

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And that's kind of a failure mode, but it usually works okay.

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This is worse than that because there's really just nothing.

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I mean, there's really nothing here at all.

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And like there's nothing particularly Star Trek about it either.

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It's kind of a sitcom episode where the horny mother-in-law turns up or something. where none of the gags land.

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No, I thought mind a bit of crass humour, you know.

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I love those 70s, BBC sitcoms, and things like that, but none of this dialogue is witty, and it's all so overplayed.

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I mean, Patrick Stewart is doing everything but looking straight to camera, you know, going, ooh, you know, all the old ones after me, you know.

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What must they have thought of what they'd got themselves in for because series one is bad, but in a different way from this.

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And in a way, this is worse than series one, I think.

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Because series one has all these lapses of taste and it doesn't quite know what it's doing and stuff, but generally speaking, you have a functioning story of some kind at least.

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And I think there's some ambition in the sort of breadth of storytelling they're trying to do in series one.

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They've kind of found their feet in series 2, found a feet as in the story, type of stories they're going to tell, and then they just tell more, but just kind of badly.

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Well, I think that there's probably a roundabout, we were sort of calculating this earlier today.

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I reckon there's probably 5 or 6 that are actual functional stories.

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And even in those, there's a lot of time devoted to just staying alive for 45 minutes so we can run the closing credits.

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And that seems to be kind of the principal motivation for many of the other stories.

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But like this is a season. kinder, aren't I?

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a little bit kind of, and that's only because I think some of the really dreadful episodes this season are actually a lot of fun, like the dolphin and things like that.

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I mean, it's appalling, but it's, you know, wharf clawing around on the floor with a Klingon woman and things like this.

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It's dreadful, but it's very funny.

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I think too, what it does is something that I kind of secretly like.

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And I remember watching the child for the 1st time.

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So the 1st Star Trek, The Next Generation I watched was series one, when it was released on home video here in Australia, and all but 2 of the episodes.

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They didn't do home soil or too shorter season.

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They didn't get released, but the rest of series one was released in random order and stuff and I watched them all and I was kind of interested.

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But when series 2 comes along, it's better looking, there's the set, which we turn forward set is there.

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And and they've moved Geordie.

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Whoopi Goldberg.

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Yeah, yeah, they've moved Geordie into engineering, which is, you know, the party.

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He's slightly less obnoxious and in a better uniform than he was.

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You know, they have made some good innovations.

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They just haven't brought in good writers.

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No.

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And you've got Pulaski, who I think is really great as well.

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We've got to talk about her in this because we haven't got much of a chance.

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She only in this one series before.

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Dr Ben's back.

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Yeah, but what we get is a lot of hang time with the crew, because there's no functioning story.

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And so it is just the crew hanging around doing things.

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And I secretly sort of like that a bit.

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I mean, it doesn't make me think these episodes are good, but it is just sort of spending time on the ship.

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Like in this episode, there's one where, you know how they were very excited in encounter a far point about the flashing lights that would lead you down the corridor if you couldn't find where the thing is and they show them here.

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You know, just remember, we've got flashing lights and it's sort of terrifically exciting.

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So that sort of stuff, I secretly kind of like.

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And so all of those episodes have a little bit more of that.

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Whereas later on when Star Trek becomes properly good and it becomes good immediately, I think, in series 3, where the stories are the focus and that's how it should be.

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There's a little bit less time for that filler.

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And I kind of secretly like the filler a little bit.

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It is awkward about that, is the characters aren't quite formed, yeah.

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Are they?

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Or how as good as they're going to be?

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So we're hanging out with these sort of 2 thirds formed characters.

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Yeah, this weird simulacra of the people we know and love.

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We should probably go in, but before we do, I really quickly want to drop that I listen to a couple of things are a couple of podcasts and a video on YouTube of Michelle Barrett, who is an incredibly erudite, incredibly smart woman, and really, really interesting.

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It's definitely worth seeking out any interview you can get with her.

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And one thing she drops is that like middle-aged women were coming up to her after she started playing Mrs. Troy, saying, thank you so much.

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I am so pleased there is this sexually voracious woman on TV.

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There's, you know, of mature years.

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And that is kind of refreshing.

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It's a shame it doesn't work here.

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There are other points where it does.

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I love her and Renee Oberjohn White in DS9.

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I think that works a tree, especially when they make they do some really poignant stuff with that.

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Well, she has a sort of auntie maime thing going, like in cost of living where she takes Alexander under her wing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then she turns up to the wedding naked.

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Like she's marrying this really straight laced guy and that's how she gets rid of this.

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Are you enjoying your life?

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Like, is the wolf fun?

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It's so good.

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That's really fun. people generally don't regard that episode very highly, but I think it's really good for this.

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Terrific.

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I mean, it's got Bron Bosnell in it.

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Sorry, it's not entirely good, but you know.

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But the other thing that they discover later on, of course, is that she can properly act.

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And so they put her up against David Ogden Spears, which I think is really terrific.

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It's half a life, I think it's called.

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The sequence in the Forth Aken where she takes off that wig in the turbo lift and he melts into her lap and she says, you know, let go. going to take care of you.

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And those moments where she drops the mask and shows that she's really vulnerable.

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Major Barrett is brilliant.

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But the other story that she drops, which I thought this was fantastic, and this showed me, you know, the nuts that she has as an actress in the 60s, because obviously she played number one in the original Star Trek pilot, she watched an amazing part in this incredible show, because she's not married to Jean Robinbury at this point.

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And obviously the studio execs look at the pilot and go, well, look, we're not putting that out.

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But if you make all these revisions and take the woman out of a command position because no one's ever going to buy into that, like the bloody prehistoric dinosaurs that they are.

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Well, I think they thought she was too manish.

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She wasn't womanly enough or something.

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But then they thought the spot character didn't work either.

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I mean, these people didn't.

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I think studio executives through the ages don't really have a clue, you know.

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They're those same people that were in the suits watching Kate Mulgra in the 1st series game.

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Is she going to be any good?

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Anywho, Michelle Barrett is heartbroken because she really wanted this role and she says, she quotes saying, oh, Jim Rumby took the woman out of the show, but brought the woman into its home, so asked her to marry him because he couldn't bear to break her heart.

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And by all accounts, they had a very successful and wonderful marriage.

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And she says, like Star Trek never came into the home.

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So the fact that they were both doing Star Treky things all the time.

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It never ever came.

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It was a very normal domestic life.

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But she wanted a part in this show.

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And she was, because she was with Jean Roberts, she was reading the scripts and then this character of Nurse Chappell turned up and she's like, well, I ain't number one, but it's still a part in this show.

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I'm going to audition for this.

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So she dyed her hair blonde.

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And then she went in to audition for the show.

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Gene Robinbury came into his office, walked past her, smiled at her, said hello, did not recognise her at all, went into his office, came out again.

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He did it 3 times.

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He saw her and did, and then he went, May Joe?

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And he realised it was her.

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And she was like, if I can convince him, I can convince anyone.

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She did the auditions in front of the execs and they had no clue it was the same woman they'd watched in the pilot.

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They changed her name in the pilot credits, so she could slip through the net for that episode, and that's the only reason she got on Star Trek due to this like massive subterfuge.

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I thought it was wonderful.

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What a great story.

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And thus begun her just amazing journey with Star Trek, you know?

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Like, and like Mrs. Troy or Done, she really impacted this show and she is a character that people remember.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit of a shame how she's treated here, though, sadly. and a few other places as well.

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What do you reckon?

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Okay, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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It was nice to say some positive things there, you know, before we...

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So miserable, isn't it?

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The Enterprise gracefully heading past that panic...

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Oh, do you know what?

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These dress uniforms.

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My other wife goes to me.

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Why are they all wearing dresses?

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Yeah.

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I said, it's the future, darling. of course.

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Are people still wearing the scans?

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Are they men wearing the scans?

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I think that doesn't survive past series one.

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It's just series one. yeah.

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Berman's involved at this point is like, no, we're not having women in men in skirts.

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Come on.

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For God's sake.

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So here we have Fleetwood Mac turning up in Star Trek.

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The Mick Fleetwood.

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I think he's probably the front one, but there's no way of telling.

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There's alios are so shit.

210
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They're really bad.

211
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Do you remember the Anticans and the Soleil in series one?

212
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Incredible.

213
00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:43.500
Yeah, the Lion people and the fish people and they're actually not fish people.

214
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They're cobras or something.

215
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Very well designed and realised.

216
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And it's not the sort of thing that Star Trek tends to go back to.

217
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It tends to just be Americans with sort of ridges on them.

218
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But this, like, it's a banned costume.

219
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Well, I don't think like the heads would be so bad if they weren't in those bizarre shower curtains.

220
00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:06.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

221
00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:08.640
No, the heads are still very bad.

222
00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:09.599
There's nothing.

223
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And you can bless Diana Moldarf or try to make them seem convincing, you know?

224
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I think that they are the recipient of the episode's only joke that lands, so we will get there.

225
00:17:20.940 --> 00:17:35.640
But I think that they, you know, the thing that's bad about them isn't just the sort of stupid mouths and stuff and the fact that they have obvious gills in front of the actors' eyes so that they can see where they're going, even though they never go anywhere.

226
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Like, you know, they're just shocking.

227
00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:40.740
Yeah this is it.

228
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This is it, where Worf looks at them and goes water, handsome race.

229
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And then... you know what?

230
00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:46.920
There was one other joke.

231
00:17:46.980 --> 00:17:52.799
I thought work with them was when she went, I still think they'd look better. they'd be better in sauce or something like that.

232
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But the 1st time, like the 1st line is a non-joke, like it attempts to be a joke.

233
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She says something.

234
00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:06.180
She says something like I've, you know, I've seen things like that served at dinner or something.

235
00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.859
It's kind of, come on, that's not a joke.

236
00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:14.099
But it also makes you wonder how Mrs. Troy ever became an ambassador with tact like that.

237
00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:15.960
Yeah, you know, super racist in this.

238
00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:17.519
I love this bit though.

239
00:18:17.579 --> 00:18:27.240
So this is Deanna actually successfully detecting something and she's horrified and then we discover it's her mother, which I think is actually pretty good.

240
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Although it's a little bit unfortunate to have her use the word articulate when she's talking about a black man.

241
00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:43.319
Like that's a particular kind of word that needs to be used with a lot more care than they see and uses it.

242
00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:45.480
And so it's a bit shit, I think.

243
00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:50.759
But the way she pushes him aside, sort of smothers over him and goes right in front of that camera there.

244
00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:54.299
That is a good sign of the subtlety you're going to get in this episode.

245
00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:55.319
You know?

246
00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.000
I love her contacts, you know, black eyes.

247
00:19:00.059 --> 00:19:06.539
Yeah, well, I mean, Marina's got them, but she would have dark eyes anyway, but she's wearing the black context too.

248
00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:13.079
They just look more striking with because Marina's got that sort of, you know, she's Greek background.

249
00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:14.579
She's got that sort of colouring.

250
00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.380
It looks more striking, I think.

251
00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.099
I just feel like, you know, Patrick Stewart, yeah.

252
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.539
I feel like this should be very funny because he's so serious in series one and two.

253
00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.819
So seeing him on the back foot like this.

254
00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:31.259
It should be really quite funny and it's just awkward to watch.

255
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.119
Yeah, no, it's embarrassing to watch.

256
00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:42.599
I just kept thinking, you know, doesn't he have that story about how he sort of didn't unpack his suitcase during...

257
00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:43.440
That's right.

258
00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:48.180
Like you know, he must have been thinking, God, this is going to be over quite quickly, isn't it?

259
00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:49.200
Because it is...

260
00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:55.079
I saw a story where he's like, I'm going to quit in series 5 unless you let me direct more episodes and give me more women.

261
00:19:57.900 --> 00:20:01.019
He knew he was onto a winner at that point, you know?

262
00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

263
00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.680
Well, the show's good at that point, I think.

264
00:20:04.740 --> 00:20:08.339
Could we very quickly talk about Pulaski?

265
00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:13.440
Yeah, because I am a massive fan.

266
00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:27.660
Now, I don't think it always lands well because they're not always writing to character strengths in season two, but the fact that they brought in a character that would deliberately create tension amongst this nicely nice crew.

267
00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.940
I think it's so refreshing.

268
00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.059
When Dr. Bev comes back and I know you like Ace McFadden.

269
00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:36.299
But fuck me, she is a boring character in comparison.

270
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:45.119
I think the problem is that Wesley is now there for literally no reason at all and that's a problem.

271
00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:46.259
Oh, he's not.

272
00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.559
I was too old when I watched this, to be a trader.

273
00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.359
I'm too old now, and I still...

274
00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:58.859
Yeah, so like it's just leaves him kind of hanging with no primary relationship.

275
00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.519
And I think it's just a bit of a shame as well.

276
00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:04.680
You know, they can't keep the regular.

277
00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:06.960
Being mean to data, did they?

278
00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:08.279
Do you remember when she comes home?

279
00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:10.259
She calls him a robot and things like that.

280
00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:15.480
It's absolutely trying to do the De Forrest Kelly thing, isn't it?

281
00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.039
And...

282
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:17.700
Yeah, see this?

283
00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:18.420
Where are my legs?

284
00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:19.079
What's that?

285
00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:19.859
That's not funny.

286
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:28.019
What's, what, like, it's, yeah, she's doing Deforest Kelly here being distrustful of the, of the transporter.

287
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:28.920
It's just not great.

288
00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:30.480
Well, so is Pulaski.

289
00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:32.220
Do you remember Pulaski don't like the transport, either?

290
00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:33.000
The shirt's right.

291
00:21:33.059 --> 00:21:33.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

292
00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:34.259
Yeah.

293
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.200
Last night I saw something like that.

294
00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:39.480
It was being served on a plate. that's not a joke.

295
00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:40.680
That's not a joke.

296
00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:42.000
Do you know what I mean?

297
00:21:42.059 --> 00:21:43.079
It's just rude.

298
00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:46.380
But it, like, it was being served on a plate.

299
00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.240
Like, go to more effort than that.

300
00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:54.240
The source line later is slightly better, but, you know, it's a nothing line.

301
00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:57.839
The joke was... weird obsession with sexy legs as well.

302
00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:58.680
What's that all about?

303
00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:00.000
Yeah, yeah.

304
00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:01.740
I mean, she kind of even see their legs.

305
00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.319
Holy shit, special guest appearance by Mick Fleetwood.

306
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:04.920
There we go.

307
00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:07.380
Oh, I love Mr. Holm.

308
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:07.619
No.

309
00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.880
I do like Mr. Holm.

310
00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:09.779
Yeah, yeah.

311
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:15.299
And he goes on to play what's his face in the Adams family, doesn't he?

312
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.059
Oh, lurch, is it?

313
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.319
Lurch.

314
00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:19.740
That's right.

315
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.279
And the previous lurch had been on Star Trek as well.

316
00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:27.240
Like, had been on a... designed to say that word, you know.

317
00:22:27.299 --> 00:22:28.440
Oh okay.

318
00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:29.940
Which one?

319
00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:40.500
Oh, and this, like, this is, again, that's funny for a second, but then...

320
00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:44.279
And then we have to watch it for 5 minutes as he's taken that. just misery.

321
00:22:44.339 --> 00:22:55.019
So he can't lift the thing and he's doing his best lifting of giant piece of polystyrene acting like he's really kind of going for it, but it's actually not that funny.

322
00:22:55.859 --> 00:23:03.960
I really, the best joke or the one that landed the most for me was, it was because there was no dialogue whatsoever.

323
00:23:04.019 --> 00:23:13.859
It's when Picard goes to the party and Mr. Holm drinks the entire drink in front of him and it's like a minute sequence of Picard just going, oh, that was for us, you know, for everybody.

324
00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:17.400
Oh, this day called Nathan.

325
00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.559
This Enterprise decor in the guest suite.

326
00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:20.819
Yeah.

327
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.660
It's very 1980s sort of...

328
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:26.819
Hotel, isn't it?

329
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.039
It's it's pretty easy.

330
00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:30.720
It's like a terrible hotel.

331
00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:32.279
It really, really.

332
00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:38.519
But, you know, like whatever and they're clearly trying to get away from the primary colours of the original show.

333
00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:39.900
Why?

334
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.700
I'm not sure.

335
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:46.259
We did trouble or tribbles, how vibrant that was.

336
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.339
Yeah, yeah.

337
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:47.880
Yeah.

338
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:50.759
It sort of, it sort of popped off the screen.

339
00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:51.720
This does not pop.

340
00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:54.779
It's just like, you know, visual wallpaper.

341
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.859
Yeah, but, I mean, that's a problem that they never get away from.

342
00:23:58.920 --> 00:23:59.460
Is it?

343
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:08.579
It's the whole non-reflective surfaces problem that we, that plagues 20, how many seasons, 25 seasons of this?

344
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.079
Many, yeah.

345
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:19.259
So the Mrs. Troy and Deanna relationship.

346
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.220
I do believe the chemistry between the 2 actresses.

347
00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:29.759
And occasionally they write it well, but I think it's one of the strongest pairings that Star Trek ever gave us.

348
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:31.259
Yeah.

349
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:42.480
I mean, it's when Marina relaxes and can be more visibly annoyed, but she's such a good girl at this point, she has to be a good girl.

350
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:45.480
And so in this sex comedy thing, it doesn't quite work.

351
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:52.859
I think there's a funny moment where Riker, Riker's reaction to some of this stuff is actually pretty good.

352
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.779
And, like, the whole premise, right?

353
00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.579
So we've had Ponfar, right?

354
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:05.039
which is Spock is so horny that he has to go back to his home planet or he'll die.

355
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:14.339
And so now we have the phase, which is sort of the Bajoran menopause, which makes her finally, suddenly sexual.

356
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.539
And it's just a little bit pathetic.

357
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:24.539
Like, she's a little bit, like, it isn't quite the empowering.

358
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:32.579
It's not quite the empowering sort of portrayal of a middle-aged woman who really enjoys sex and thinks of herself as sexy and stuff.

359
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.019
It's not quite that.

360
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:43.559
It's a little bit pathetic and and they have her fall in love with the holiday guy, you know, in like it's slightly depressing, I think.

361
00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:46.859
Well, it portrays her as being stupid as well.

362
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:57.119
Because then it has to be spelt out that he's not real, that, you know, she's walked into this detective fiction environment and she hasn't realised it's a, it's a holiday.

363
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:59.279
Like, how the hell is this woman an ambassador?

364
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.299
Yeah, that's right.

365
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.779
And she doesn't really understand the technology or anything like that.

366
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.900
So she is portrayed as being a bit stupid.

367
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.359
Oh, so this.

368
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:16.559
So this is the plot where she's in I was sinking into my seat at this point where I'm like, oh, come on, Picard.

369
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:20.880
Will you please realise you're the only person going to this dinner?

370
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:21.599
has been invited?

371
00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:22.859
Have you not worked that out?

372
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.960
She was looking at your bum earlier?

373
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.099
Like, get the message.

374
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:33.660
Although I did think he was quite smart when he pulled data in and was like, absolutely fascinating, Mr. Data.

375
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.859
Please come and join us, you know.

376
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.900
But then data looks like an idiot.

377
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:37.799
There too.

378
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:40.799
And this is before data is properly settled down as well.

379
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.240
Here we go.

380
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:43.259
Here's Mr. Hol.

381
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:44.640
He's drinking.

382
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:47.339
Well, I think it's illegal, but it is blue.

383
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.079
So, possibly.

384
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.180
And it doesn't look like ale.

385
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.980
It always looks like whiskey or something.

386
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.119
So, I don't know.

387
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.160
There he goes.

388
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:59.579
We cut away so that the actor doesn't have to drink it all in one go.

389
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:05.039
But the idea of a mature woman who is horny as hell.

390
00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:06.359
That's not a terrible idea.

391
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:07.259
I know.

392
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.619
I know, and I don't think Star Trek should not do sex comedy.

393
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.359
I don't think it should not do sex comedy.

394
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.019
I think it should do everything.

395
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.339
You know, I know you say.

396
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.200
You've seen fascinations and the naked now.

397
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:22.200
But what about the naked now simulation in the lower debt?

398
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:24.359
That is the...

399
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.220
You can see born as butthole, don't you?

400
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.740
It's the rudest thing I've ever seen.

401
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.259
It's really, I mean, you know, that's fun.

402
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.819
I think Star Trek can do anything.

403
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.880
That's a great thing about it, but this is just bad.

404
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:53.759
And it's, it isn't quite the sophomoric attitude to sex that we get in Voyager, where we sort of constantly sniggering about the fact that beautiful women are beautiful and staff, you know, the Delaney sisters and things is all sort of incredibly depressing.

405
00:27:53.819 --> 00:28:09.660
But this, like, I like, again, the idea that someone who's super stitched up and really kind of proper and stuff like Picard, is threatened by her.

406
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.220
But there's a kind of, I don't know.

407
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:11.819
I don't know.

408
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:31.859
Well, no, I'm going to go back to Mrs. Troy and Odo again, though, because this story plays out again in the Forsaken, where, you know, she's like alone at last when they're trapped in the turbo lift, and she's in his office and how she's always been obsessed with security men and all of this, and she's wearing a glamorous cocktail dresses and coming onto him in extreme ways.

409
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.779
But then it breaks down to being 2 lonely people and it has a point.

410
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.380
It tells us something about the characters. this ain't doing none of that.

411
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.220
No.

412
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:46.319
And I think that they don't quite know what she's capable of until too short a season.

413
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.559
And then they do, is it Dark Page the following year?

414
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:53.099
Is that not a popular episode, but I think it...

415
00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:55.619
No, it is melodramatic.

416
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.440
It's very sort of, you know, middle of the day soap opera.

417
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.900
But she plays it very well.

418
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

419
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:07.019
And, you know, it's been referenced in in Kurtzman Trek.

420
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.819
It's something that we remember.

421
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.079
That's so a sub-Rosa, remember?

422
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:10.859
Yeah, yeah.

423
00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:12.539
Masks.

424
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.599
There ain't nothing.

425
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.559
They won't cherry pick.

426
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.880
Curs, but...

427
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.400
Outrageous O'Connors been in 2 series now.

428
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.799
Why didn't we get that one?

429
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.799
Honestly, why didn't instituce Terry Hatcher?

430
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:26.579
That is gold.

431
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.720
Oh, he's beautiful, isn't he?

432
00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:29.160
So she is amazing.

433
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:33.059
You can play cheesy sax music.

434
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.480
Actually, I think as like a sex comedy, that works far better than this.

435
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

436
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:38.819
Yeah.

437
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.099
And so this is the other thing too, isn't it?

438
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.259
This is sexy, sort of.

439
00:29:43.319 --> 00:30:00.900
I mean, it's not sexy in the sense of actually being kind of sexy, but it's about sex in a way, in a way that we stop doing once we, once series 3 happens and the show gets good and it becomes very kind of sexless.

440
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.240
You know, it's not really a thing anymore.

441
00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:05.819
That's what we call. the Berman effects.

442
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.019
Yeah, yeah.

443
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:07.920
I think that's right.

444
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:13.799
That's why when we leap over to DS9, everyone's at it because Burma's not involved in that at all. that's right.

445
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.339
And they're kind of flying under the radar. they can do whatever they want.

446
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.420
What is that all about?

447
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.740
What that kind of element of it can be a bit sleazier times.

448
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.640
Yeah.

449
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.039
And it's very apparent in the original series.

450
00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:30.720
And it's certainly apparent when Roddenbury had a bit of creative control over TNG.

451
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:40.200
Episodes like justice where they go down and there's people being oiled up and snogging and women off to the side and it's all just very strange.

452
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:50.460
And well, even the naked now, they decided that was the 1st regular episode they wanted to do, was the crew all just get incredibly horny for no readily apparent reason.

453
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.660
Well, do you remember that Irish episode where she's like, up the long ladder?

454
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.640
Will you still respect me in the morning?

455
00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:58.799
She's taking her dress off, you know?

456
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:02.940
Yeah, and, you know, like he wants to do a socialist utopia.

457
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:09.420
And so the idea that we're sort of sexually more liberated than we were in the 20th century.

458
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.500
You know, that's good.

459
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:16.259
That would be interesting, but it never really. sort of, it never really comes to that, does it?

460
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:16.980
We don't get.

461
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:28.380
What is interesting is he was happy to feminise men and he was happy to include gay characters and the studios, it just he knew...

462
00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:37.079
Major Barrett says in that interview, he knew what fights. he could pick and what ones he just shouldn't even bother with, you know.

463
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:43.259
And I think there's like TV execs now like Rusty Davis, who people go, well, why do they make those decisions?

464
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.319
You kind of you're in an environment where it's very controlled.

465
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:56.220
There are people in high positions that don't want certain things on TV and, you know, like you have to accept what you can get away with and what you can't.

466
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:05.519
But I mean, what's happened with Star Trek and sex is that it is generally behind other shows in its portrayal. you know.

467
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:14.579
Um, and it just tends to be like, like there's something depressingly ungrown up about sex in Voyager.

468
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.960
Like it's miserable, I think.

469
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:21.720
So this scene, I think, could have very nearly been funny, right?

470
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:23.339
So this is the 2 of them.

471
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:33.359
It's Pulaski and Troy working out what's happening in the captain's quarters, suggesting that he's being kind of chased around the quarters by a horny Mrs. Troy.

472
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.720
And they both decide, actually, screw it, we're just going to leave him.

473
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:38.279
We're not going to go and rescue him.

474
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:40.920
And because...

475
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.119
The Pulaski that is, all right?

476
00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:46.259
Yeah, but they can't let Deanna be naughty.

477
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.339
You know, and that is a massive shame because.

478
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.400
There should be like the huge sly smiles between them, shouldn't there?

479
00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:54.180
Yeah, you know.

480
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.980
Yeah, but she can't even do that.

481
00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:56.880
Dexterousy is.

482
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:04.859
Okay It was because nobody's really having much fund in this, are they?

483
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:13.140
When we watched Trouble with Tribbles, everyone was having so much fun with that story and I was sort of charmingly very relaxed.

484
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.180
But it's written by someone.

485
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.059
That's the problem that this isn't written by anyone.

486
00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:33.960
So the jokes, like the funny lines aren't funny and we're kind of, you know, I don't know, begging for scratch. the worst joke was in this was when she goes up to Wesley and goes, oh, you're really cute, but you know, a bit too young.

487
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.420
I'm like, what's going on here?

488
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

489
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.299
She's literally going around the ship.

490
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:44.940
And because she's an ambassador, They've got to stand there and take a lost it.

491
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.079
It's, honestly.

492
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.460
Surely there's some kind of training for that role, right?

493
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:58.259
Like some kind of diplomatic training that says you don't beam onto a starship, make an incredibly racist comment and then come onto the captain.

494
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.859
I think there is something in here. isn't.

495
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:02.519
Yeah, that's her.

496
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.440
Look, Dan is saying, why are you on board?

497
00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:05.819
Why are you here?

498
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.500
You have the phase.

499
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.059
You know what's going on.

500
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.400
So why have you come on board the ship?

501
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.199
Like she tells her off for doing that?

502
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.119
Because it's unprofessional.

503
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:16.380
I don't know.

504
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.139
Mr. one joke is that he drinks everything.

505
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:26.159
Maybe he has one line in the 1st episode where he hands someone the glass and says thanks for the drinks and then goes.

506
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:28.920
And so he has actually said something.

507
00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:30.239
But you know what?

508
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:30.659
don't know.

509
00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:33.659
I feel like we should have had an episode where Mr. Hobb and Mayhar do.

510
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.480
That's the Grand Nagus, it's big giant stone.

511
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.099
And that's top, is that the same accent?

512
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.300
No, that's tiny Ron, isn't it?

513
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.019
Tiny Ron.

514
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.880
They should have met, you know?

515
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:45.179
Yeah, in a wordless sequence in a bar.

516
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:45.480
Yeah.

517
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.059
Yeah.

518
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.920
Yeah, look, Deanna's just rolling her eyes looking fed up with all of this.

519
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.239
No, that's right.

520
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:58.440
Oh, so this, I think Riker's reaction here is quite funny.

521
00:34:58.500 --> 00:34:58.980
She said what?

522
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.639
She said that you were horny for her, right?

523
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:15.900
Yeah, so this is we're explaining the phase, and she has told Will about it when they were in a relationship.

524
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:37.199
Um, And but when he hears exactly how sexually voracious Betazoid women become at a particular age, it's kind of like there's a little moment where it's kind of, you like, you sort of smiles to himself, it's kind of, um, you know, I really checked out of this relationship a couple of decades too early.

525
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:43.079
You know, I like to imagine that they, she went through the phase, you know, she's now old, older.

526
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:44.219
You know, she's an old woman.

527
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.079
Well, we know they're back together again.

528
00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:48.179
They are back together when she is mature.

529
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.619
So he's having a great time in that.

530
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.239
Yeah, we're going to come smiling.

531
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:55.260
Look at, like, he's...

532
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.760
He's properly relaxed, isn't he?

533
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.519
I think he's the humour in this.

534
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, we didn't talk about the beard.

535
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.559
But as well.

536
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.260
Oh, the beard, man, it's a much better look.

537
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.780
Yeah, look at him smiling there.

538
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.260
Look at him.

539
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.139
Yeah.

540
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:18.300
So he's actually kind of making a joke at the captain's expense, and he's really enjoying himself.

541
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:23.699
It's almost a shame to cut back to Patrick Stewart with a massive bug of his butt.

542
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:31.679
You know, I was thinking, like, they've mastered now, haven't they, the sort of awkward comedy with things like the Office and peep show?

543
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:36.719
When people are in agonising situations and you're kind of watching through your fingers going, oh, God.

544
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:40.559
This is very humourous, though.

545
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.280
I think that that particular type of humour is very English.

546
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:50.880
And I think, you know, Americans have been exposed to that as English television has become more of a thing, more global.

547
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:52.079
I don't like it at all.

548
00:36:52.139 --> 00:37:00.539
Like, I prefer my comedy to be a bit more crafted and a bit less, oh, my butt cheeks will not uncleenched for half an hour, you know?

549
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.159
I kind of like it.

550
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:07.260
There's a kind of self-hatred in it, which I find very appealing.

551
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.300
You know, you know an Englishman.

552
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.559
You know how that works, all right?

553
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:10.980
Okay.

554
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:15.599
So here we go now into the Dixon Hill program.

555
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.940
And I must say Patrick Stewart looks very dapper.

556
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.420
Yeah, it is in his hand coat.

557
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.280
But these seasons is.

558
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.760
Well, it feels like it's starting to tell a story.

559
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:28.800
He goes in, he gets a case.

560
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.659
He goes to the bar.

561
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:36.059
Let's talk about this villain who's doing the rounds and it doesn't go anywhere.

562
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.179
But in fact, he actually says, no, I don't want to do a story.

563
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.260
Do you know what I mean?

564
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.960
He just says, I'm he's kind of just hit a hide.

565
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:46.920
And so when a story, he comes in, a story starts happening now.

566
00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:53.760
The guy with the newspaper, he's going to try and kill him or whatever, and that's it.

567
00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:56.400
You know, like he says, no, no, I don't want to do a story.

568
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.599
I just want to go to the bar.

569
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:59.219
I'm going to invite, what's her name?

570
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.320
The secretary.

571
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.639
Yeah, the secretary.

572
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.699
He's going to invite her and Madeline.

573
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:11.460
And so like, you know, so they all talk with the same accent now, do I know, yo?

574
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.099
Yeah, but she's great.

575
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.659
I think she is really good.

576
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:19.079
She looks out of the window in a minute, yeah.

577
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.659
Pump in some dreadful movie footage of the 1950s.

578
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.980
But in a big goodbye.

579
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.239
They actually staged an outside sequence outside. outside the window.

580
00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.340
Yeah, so this is the cheaper version.

581
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:41.219
Well, this this season famously has only one scene of location footage in the entire... did not know that.

582
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.420
What's that?

583
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.280
It's Picard on his horse.

584
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.039
I can't even remember what episode it is, but he's on his horse.

585
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:51.900
And the rest is all in the studio.

586
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.800
Yeah, yeah.

587
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:53.820
Wowsers.

588
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.880
The series went outside more often than that.

589
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:58.260
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

590
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:04.380
But basically what you said there about, you know, he says, computer, you know, too much plot. tone it down a bit.

591
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:04.860
Yes, exactly.

592
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.280
That's basically the right of saying, well, we just want to, we want the atmosphere of this.

593
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:10.440
We want to have some nice sets and things like that.

594
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.639
But we don't want to do anything.

595
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:15.480
We can't go to the trouble of coming up with a story.

596
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.599
And so this is just a series of things that's happening.

597
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:25.860
So is there any way that these 2 stories, these very different stories could be married successfully?

598
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.179
Well, no, because I just don't think there's anything there.

599
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.460
Like they've got no characteristics.

600
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.000
It is just, like, this scene is just eating up the running time.

601
00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:37.679
What's happening in that scene?

602
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:45.119
Like he goes into the thing, he talks to Madeline for a bit and then he sits down, like, what, what, what's that?

603
00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:49.619
Like, I just can't see, is there's nothing there that that's contributing to?

604
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:57.300
The see, the story would be identical, you know, without it, if we just... in that detail.

605
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.940
When they go to the bar, it's like, well, what's happening here?

606
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.719
What's happening?

607
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:01.860
What are we doing?

608
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:02.159
Okay.

609
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:06.960
I mean, I know you like hang time, but there's got to be some purpose to it, hasn't there?

610
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:09.059
Yeah, God, that's shit, isn't it?

611
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.440
That scene, looking out the window.

612
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:13.440
Oh, she was coming up in a minute.

613
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:23.039
That truly abysmal bit where she goes on the bridge and goes, and I would like to announce the wedding of myself and Commander Riker, and I'm like, oh, God.

614
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.760
Yeah, yeah.

615
00:40:23.820 --> 00:40:25.260
So she just looks stupid.

616
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.480
Like they make her stupid in this episode.

617
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:39.659
So because she thinks that she's sexually attractive to people, but she's not and, you know, she keeps mistaking their disinterest for interest and stuff.

618
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.400
That just makes her stupid.

619
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:44.219
Like this is an assassination of her character, I think.

620
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.159
Yeah, so right.

621
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.500
And on the 2nd attempt as well.

622
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:50.639
Yeah.

623
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:52.139
Well, the 1st attempt was better.

624
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.940
I think Haven is forgettable and, you know, a fairly nothing episode, but it's a story.

625
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.239
There's actually like a beginning, middle and end.

626
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.940
This is just, you know, how long have we got to go?

627
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.699
You know, like it's...

628
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:06.900
Are you actually asking me that?

629
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.940
Do you know what I mean?

630
00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:11.039
20 minutes, Nathan.

631
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:19.559
We've got 22 hours, 22 hours with commercials to make this year and we're filling it up with things.

632
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.159
Yeah, but there's no stories.

633
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:24.179
Wait a sec.

634
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.079
Look who's here now.

635
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:26.099
Look who's here.

636
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:27.659
Oh, no, someone's coming in.

637
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.219
Oh, it's Robert O'Rrien, isn't it?

638
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:30.599
It is Robert O'Reilly comes in.

639
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:41.699
And even though I didn't initially recognise him in, um, Better Being Better Bang, I absolutely recognise him instantly here as Scarface.

640
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:42.900
That's the whole thing, you know.

641
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.760
Because he's in these these 2 sort of historical holiday programs.

642
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:58.739
And then in Times Arrow, you get Marco Lemo playing a gambler and that, and that bringing, they like bringing back, well, as actors they can trust, I guess.

643
00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.820
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:00.900
They take the makeup off.

645
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:01.679
So they're a different person.

646
00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:02.039
Exactly.

647
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.440
Yeah, they may as well, they may be casting someone different.

648
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.820
So this isn't him, is it?

649
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:06.239
Is it?

650
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:06.780
No.

651
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.800
Yeah, this is him.

652
00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:09.659
But I think, you know what?

653
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.480
Yeah, he's just straight away when the shadow comes off and you see his eyes.

654
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:13.320
Yeah, yeah.

655
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:15.300
It's definitely Gowron.

656
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.920
I thought, actually, this is probably the best performance in the whole thing.

657
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:22.500
But I mean, what did he made of?

658
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.199
you know, Oh, yeah, there he is.

659
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:30.059
Oh, my God. the amount of memes there are around Garon's crazy eyes.

660
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.619
Yes, yeah, yeah.

661
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.119
He's so good.

662
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.800
So wonderful.

663
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.960
You ever had a sip of the famous grouse?

664
00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.059
Whiskey.

665
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.480
Yes.

666
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:41.159
I can't bear whiskey.

667
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.840
But there's a fabulous meme of Gowron going, glory to you and your grouse.

668
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:49.079
So strange.

669
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.340
Yeah.

670
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:51.900
Like, what?

671
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:52.619
What?

672
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.000
What are we doing?

673
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:58.500
We're watching play a video, come in with an enormous machine gun.

674
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:04.380
Yeah, like that's a like you can see that that's trying to be funny, right?

675
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.960
He's trying to have a relaxing drawing, to be funny.

676
00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:07.920
Yeah.

677
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:27.539
So he's trying to have a relaxing time in the holodeck, but because the Dixon Hill program can only do Dixon Hill stories from the shitty detective novels that are made up that it's based on, it only, you know, it just keeps being violent in different ways and I guess it sort of escalates, but so what?

678
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:36.480
Can I ask why war thinks that these bizarre fish aliens are so attractive?

679
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:38.940
Because it's funny.

680
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.639
I think it's fucking hilarious.

681
00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:42.300
I'll tell you.

682
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.719
Well, I think that's maybe the funniest thing in the episode.

683
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:49.019
And it reinforces my theory that wharf's always wrong.

684
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:58.139
Well, do you know what's super interesting about on Star Trek Project and how we dip about all the series is we've just done 2 comedies back to back?

685
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.480
And one was quite successful.

686
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.760
And this is where it all goes wrong.

687
00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:04.619
This is miserable, isn't it?

688
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.340
Just so bad.

689
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.420
Holy crap.

690
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.780
I mean, this whole secret. this is everything that's wrong with this episode, okay?

691
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.940
You got Mrs. Troy being a terrible ambassador.

692
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.039
The appalling fishy aliens.

693
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.139
The terrible sex jokes.

694
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.119
It's a winded scene.

695
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:27.599
See, I still think they look better in source, again, is an attempt to do that joke again and it's slightly better, but it's still bad.

696
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:30.179
Like they can't write a funny line.

697
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:36.420
One day you'll be a big strong man, but I can't wait for you to mature.

698
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.000
Why is he saying I'm not a man?

699
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.519
That's the thing too, that we've settled, isn't it?

700
00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:45.900
That any adult male of any of the races is a man.

701
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.940
So Quark is a man, you know, Um, uh, like that, and I like that.

702
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.019
I think that's good.

703
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.320
You know, there's something about, I don't know. anyway.

704
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:59.099
I believe they gave Walters a Sash in series 2 as well, you know.

705
00:44:59.159 --> 00:44:59.880
I was never.

706
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.719
No, he has.

707
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:11.940
So he wears the red uniform in series one and has a gold sash that isn't made of metal like this one or doesn't look like it's made of metal, but he had the sash from the very beginning.

708
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.059
I, you know, because I'm so used to seeing him in red in DS9.

709
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.920
I actually think he looks a bit bare in the red.

710
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.000
He does.

711
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:21.840
People complain. gray in mustard yellow, do they?

712
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:22.320
No.

713
00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:30.599
With some, I've read people complain that the 2 black actors got taken out of the red costume and put in the yellow costume for series 2.

714
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:31.679
Was there a reason for that?

715
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:33.420
No, I don't know.

716
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.760
I think that they'd established that engineering.

717
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:41.820
So he becomes head of security, which was Yah's job, and so she was wearing mustard.

718
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:48.960
And, um, you know, he's in majority's in engineering and somehow not in this episode, is he?

719
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.280
He's not in this at all.

720
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:55.980
No, I think he's referenced because she's off to engineering to, you know, bore at him a little bit.

721
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:57.119
Yeah.

722
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.159
And who wouldn't give up?

723
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:00.059
No, he's a pretty man.

724
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:00.539
Yeah.

725
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.420
Um, Yeah.

726
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.760
Like, what, like, what's happening now?

727
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.039
I'm going to X's bar.

728
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:11.699
We're going to spot, but we have to take a gun because we're in gangster land.

729
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.039
So someone could come in there any minute now and blow the reds off.

730
00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:18.719
Like, can't he just like conjure up a nightclub from somewhere or something?

731
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:19.980
Like, why is he doing it?

732
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.019
Oh, we did ba bing, ba bang.

733
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.039
And we were in this period.

734
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:25.619
I mean, a fabulous heist plot going on.

735
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.099
Yeah, yeah. tons of energy and genuine jokes.

736
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.800
And this is so grimy as well.

737
00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:32.519
Look at this set.

738
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:36.300
I suppose it's supposed to be noir-ish, which is why we get the shadows of the lights.

739
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:38.880
I quite like this, actually.

740
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:40.619
And I quite like the high angle shot.

741
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.800
There was actually a seconds invention with the direction, you know?

742
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:48.659
Because pretty much this is your, the definition of your and shoot TNG episode.

743
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.219
Yeah, it really is.

744
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:59.159
And look how few extras we've got in the bar, like it's a great shape. spinning fan there that we're seeing establish it.

745
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:03.719
Yeah, it really needs to be casting a shadow over people though, doesn't it?

746
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:06.599
Like, it's not very no-rish in the way it's directed at all.

747
00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:07.139
I guess.

748
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:09.539
Well, it's not a bar I'd want to hang out in, if I'm honest.

749
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:10.619
It's miserable.

750
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.539
Oh, look, what is all this now?

751
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:14.519
Where he's trying to explain...

752
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.159
Yes, but now he's explaining...

753
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:17.699
Like, why?

754
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:22.440
Literally, they've got nothing to write about other than just writing words.

755
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:29.639
But isn't this isn't this the thing where like Data was doing this when he was cock blocking?

756
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:41.219
Like, you know, where Picard called him in to do some cock blocking in the during the date with Mrs. Troy and he's saying boring things and now he's Picard saying boring things to people who aren't real.

757
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:45.539
The trouble with that is, is they realise very early on that they...

758
00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:46.619
Is he going to smoke a cigarette?

759
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:49.320
No, he does hit badly, you know?

760
00:47:50.099 --> 00:47:56.340
I love gates. in the in the previous years. one where she swallows the chewing gum?

761
00:47:56.460 --> 00:48:03.480
No, the bit where the man gets killed and she don't realise the safeties are off and she's going, ah.

762
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:06.300
That is incredibly funny.

763
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:10.800
Yeah, it works in a way that this doesn't.

764
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:11.639
No.

765
00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:14.880
Well, there's no...

766
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:21.000
It's like, had they done bada, bing, bada, bang the sequel, it probably wouldn't have had the same lustre as the 1st one, you know.

767
00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:23.219
Well, but it's not that this is a sequel.

768
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.719
It is explicitly that he's going in here to escape the episode that he's in.

769
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.360
I know how he feels, right?

770
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:31.440
That's right.

771
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:38.699
It's only going to find love staring into your beautiful face that I can endure this another time.

772
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.559
Yeah, it's a whole thing, isn't it?

773
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.760
Like, this is just nothing.

774
00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:47.940
So what's good in series two, right?

775
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.960
What do you think is good?

776
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.440
I think, obviously, a matter of honour, measure of a man.

777
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.179
Q-hoo.

778
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.099
They're probably like 3 big ones.

779
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:57.840
Is schizoid man good?

780
00:48:57.900 --> 00:48:59.099
I think it's schizoid man.

781
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.380
Yeah, that's that's kind of scary.

782
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.380
I quite like penpal, so no, you don't.

783
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.239
Yeah, I don't mind that.

784
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:09.420
But I think that that's one where the it is hang time.

785
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.079
You can see them doing things just to keep the episode on the air.

786
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:15.360
Doesn't this season have the one with the packlets?

787
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:16.860
Yeah.

788
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.599
Yeah, I quite like that one.

789
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:19.440
Yeah.

790
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.900
Oh, no, peak performance is great.

791
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.940
That's the one where the fella comes on to do the computer game with the fingers against data.

792
00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:28.920
Strategy Ma.

793
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:29.760
Strategma?

794
00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:31.679
Thank you very much, honestly.

795
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:34.019
I think they've played that in Kurtzman track.

796
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.539
They've certainly referenced it.

797
00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:40.619
Every time you say this, I have no, there's no element of surprising me, all right?

798
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:44.400
It's just like...

799
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.760
That fabulous thing about pitting Riker against Picard.

800
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:49.679
Do you remember they're in the 2 different ships?

801
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:54.539
And then Wesley goes over to get his school project and ends up sabotaging the ship or something.

802
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:59.099
And it's all, it's quite fun, but it's right at the tail end. the penultimate episode.

803
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.980
It's where they're starting to get their act together, you know?

804
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:06.059
But it is also just a bunch of stuff that happens.

805
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:06.960
Do you know what I mean?

806
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:12.239
Like there's a bit of jeopardy and things, but it is basically, this is the ship doing business as usual.

807
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:14.639
They're not solving a space problem or anything.

808
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:19.739
And I guess the games turn real, like someone turns up who's really threatening them or something.

809
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:20.699
I can't remember now.

810
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.460
Oh, the problem. question like that.

811
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.760
Yeah.

812
00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:24.480
Yeah.

813
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:26.340
I just opened up, didn't it?

814
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.199
It's just a car. been a practical effect.

815
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.239
Oh, possibly.

816
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:33.900
I just love dynamite, though. you know.

817
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.239
She was in the original series a couple of times, wasn't she?

818
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:37.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:37.500
Yeah.

820
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:49.679
And she's in, she's in the episode with the Medusin, you know, the, um, the weird thing in the box that drives you mad if you look at it. and 0 from um prodigy is one of those.

821
00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:51.059
Oh, okay.

822
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:56.579
She's also in a fabulous daytime soap, you know, and her exit was she gets shoved down a...

823
00:50:56.699 --> 00:50:58.260
No, that was...

824
00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.280
That wasn't no.

825
00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:01.380
Yeah, I remember watching that.

826
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:03.000
I actually watched all the time.

827
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:04.380
I never watched LA law.

828
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:05.880
It was big. everyone was watching it.

829
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:06.840
I knew it was a thing.

830
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.699
I knew that she was the sort of bitch character.

831
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.719
I happened to just be tuned into it for literally no reason at all.

832
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:17.519
Just in time for her to just walk into what she thought was a waiting lift.

833
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:22.019
Only the lift wasn't there and she plummeted to her death and it was the most shocking thing.

834
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.699
It was pretty amazing.

835
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.659
It's so funny.

836
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.320
I mean, I've never seen an episode of that show, but I've seen that clip a 100 times.

837
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:30.599
It was huge. was huge back then.

838
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:39.360
Yeah, I think there's a, I think there's a problem in general with how they're portraying women as well in Star Trek at this point.

839
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:43.619
And I think it's something they managed to turn around in DS9.

840
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:48.000
Yeah. where they just let them be feminine.

841
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:51.360
But I think both Dax and Kira are quite masculine as well.

842
00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:53.219
They're just women.

843
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.659
Whereas here, like, yeah, no, Troy is, well, what is Troy?

844
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.119
I mean, well, no, so, yeah.

845
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:04.440
So the 2 women, the 2 women in the cast are the doctor and the counsellor.

846
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:10.199
So they have professional jobs, but their job is basically looking after people in various ways.

847
00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:11.880
And so it's a traditional.

848
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:13.139
She's like crusty, isn't she?

849
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.719
She's a fusty, crusty old woman.

850
00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:16.440
Yeah, yeah.

851
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.800
You've got Mrs. Troy in here who's just a massive hornball.

852
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:24.059
You know. there's no substance to any of them No, no.

853
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:25.380
And he's Madeline.

854
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.960
There's more substance to weather.

855
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:29.280
I was saying, she's not real at all.

856
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.679
Oh, we're supposed to think this is the...

857
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:32.940
Oh, that's the joke, is it?

858
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:34.739
We've gone through this whole rigmarole.

859
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.539
The big villain of the piece is going to turn up.

860
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.980
And then it's date, yeah.

861
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.199
Well, that's just fucking hilarious, isn't it?

862
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:41.039
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:52:41.099 --> 00:52:43.739
Although he's doing a little bit of acting there.

864
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.539
A little bit of Brent acting for a moment.

865
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.599
Patrick Stewart does look quite hot in that hut, you know.

866
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:51.900
Yeah, no, he looks good here, I think.

867
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.420
That's a great outfit, but I mean, what's happening?

868
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.519
Well, now it's time for him to go.

869
00:52:56.579 --> 00:52:57.599
This doesn't go anywhere.

870
00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:01.019
Oh, and is this is where she turns up?

871
00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:11.639
And basically says to Riker, well, I'm so sorry, but I'm not going to marry you now because this man behind the bar is more attractive than you.

872
00:53:11.699 --> 00:53:16.139
And then they had this bizarre conversation where they're sitting on like a side table.

873
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:16.980
Yeah.

874
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:20.159
And it's like, what do you 2 people possibly have in common?

875
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.559
He's not even that pretty.

876
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.480
No, he's all right.

877
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.440
He's all right.

878
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:29.400
He's got a moustache.

879
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:56.639
Oh, and he doesn't have a last name, and the reason he doesn't have a last name is he's never given one in the Dixon Hill novels, and they are kind enough not to spell that out. which I think is very restrained because they could have got a good 30 seconds out of that, you know, if they... eaten a milk tray, chocolate.

880
00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:57.659
Yeah.

881
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:58.440
No way.

882
00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:01.019
Because Mrs. Troy looks very like a milk tray box right now.

883
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:01.920
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:04.260
It does look like a confection in that dress.

885
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.159
It's almost the Cadbury colour too, isn't it?

886
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:17.519
It's a little bit redder than the Canbury purple. supposed to know that Mrs. Troy and the computer voice are the same actress?

887
00:54:17.579 --> 00:54:18.360
Is this a joke?

888
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:19.199
An in joke here?

889
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:21.599
I think it might be.

890
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:25.320
She calls she calls the computer dear, doesn't she?

891
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.179
Like, she calls computer deer.

892
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.960
And she, again, she's a silly old woman who can't work technology.

893
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:32.699
We're all in the 24th century.

894
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:43.800
I mean, the holodeck is introduced and no one has seen one before, remembering a encounter at FarPoint. completely new and it has to be explained to Riker because we need it explained to us.

895
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:47.400
And so she doesn't know about it.

896
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:49.619
So it just about passes.

897
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.980
But again, they're just making her look stupid.

898
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:59.880
Like they just like, this is agonising because you see Roy Picard sort of turns away like, oh shit, I've been cool.

899
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:02.639
Oh, I'll just turn around, she might not see me.

900
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.940
The card looks like a douche as well.

901
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:06.840
Yeah, yeah.

902
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:09.000
No one is coming out of this well, are they?

903
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:15.780
No, the only person who is, I think, is Jonathan Frakes, who has a wry smile on his face the whole time.

904
00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:16.860
Yeah.

905
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:24.539
And is she interested in him because he's a hologram and she can't sense anything?

906
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:25.619
That is what she says.

907
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.340
It's like, yeah, the most fascinating man I've ever met. you know I can't read you.

908
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.960
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:31.920
Yes.

910
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.260
But she is in an entirely new environment.

911
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.719
Like she must realise this is artificial.

912
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:40.860
Yeah.

913
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.300
Yeah, I just don't know what's happening.

914
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.340
I just, like, what are they doing?

915
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.099
you have to make for this to make to be credible.

916
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.500
Yeah, yeah.

917
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:59.219
Like, oh, I, you know, in a minute when we go to the transporter room and she unveils the evil, the evil plot of the fish people.

918
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.619
But who have only said one thing.

919
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:08.460
Haven't they just said food, like they've said food and they've they've shovelled food into their mouths. and that's it.

920
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.539
That's all they've done.

921
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.539
And so like what is that?

922
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.679
Like she saves the day, because they were going to blow up the conference.

923
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:25.920
Remember when the twist in second skin here, and that whole episode had been crafted and full of misdirection.

924
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:27.000
Yeah.

925
00:56:27.059 --> 00:56:27.719
Yeah.

926
00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:30.239
Well, I mean, they kind of, this is how our twist doesn't work.

927
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.179
Yeah, we need to do something with the delegates.

928
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:44.880
They're just here to because they're weird ass aliens and that's really the only role they play is to be weird looking aliens so that people can be weirdly racist towards them except Worf, who isn't racist.

929
00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:46.380
Apparently.

930
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.960
And then, like what?

931
00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:50.820
Then they do the weird eating thing.

932
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.320
Like, they're not fun to look at.

933
00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:53.699
They're not impressive.

934
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:54.000
Look at that.

935
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.219
Yeah, look at this.

936
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.500
This, this, this is embarrassing.

937
00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.340
What the hell?

938
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.559
They just woke up.

939
00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:03.300
Yeah, yeah, they want breakfast.

940
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:10.019
We started recording. while Ron was on the stairs doing impressions of them, jiggling about.

941
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:11.699
Oh, God.

942
00:57:11.699 --> 00:57:18.539
Yeah, you know, that funny episode that we've written, you know, the one where Mrs. Troy is trying to fuck everyone.

943
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.000
And Picard's trying to hide away.

944
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:22.500
What it needs is a B plot about fish.

945
00:57:22.619 --> 00:57:29.880
Disgusting. guzzling fish down their throats. like what the fuck?

946
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.460
I do wonder if the entire show was just woefully misconceived at this point.

947
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.039
Yeah, no, it's so shit.

948
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:49.380
But it just goes to show, you know, just how important actual writers are because the writers go on strike and the television that gets put out is absolutely unwatchable.

949
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:59.519
This is a good argument here for why Michael Pillow was absolutely essential to the Star Trek franchise in the 90s.

950
00:57:59.579 --> 00:58:01.800
They should all have been paid more.

951
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:08.280
Like, do you remember the Mrs. Troy episode, the next Mrs. Troy episode, Menage Troy.

952
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.340
And it ain't great. better than this.

953
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:12.960
Oh, got it.

954
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.420
Because it's stored at this.

955
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.219
Okay. and there's a there is a proper character for it about Deanna and her mother.

956
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.139
And they're on that planet.

957
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.099
I think, is it Risa?

958
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.719
It's beautiful occasion.

959
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:30.480
And there's a real relaxed chemistry between the 2 actresses and there's some character work going on.

960
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:31.739
Yeah, yeah.

961
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:38.159
And there's sort of jeopardy and stuff and like it resolves itself in a stupid way that is nowhere near as funny as it thinks it is.

962
00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:43.199
And in fact, I think Stuart's a little bit embarrassing in that final scene.

963
00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:58.019
But because it's a story, then, you know, it's absolutely streets ahead of this, I literally could not believe, you know, we selected this episode, yeah.

964
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.619
And then my honour goes, well, I'm going to watch this one with you.

965
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.380
This is the one I'm choosing to watch with you.

966
00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:12.059
You said he had a one word summary, a one word review of the episode.

967
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.199
Yeah, he looked at me very thoughtfully and he just said, pointless.

968
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:17.820
Yeah, well, that's it.

969
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.960
No, that's exactly the point.

970
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:19.559
That's it.

971
00:59:19.619 --> 00:59:20.400
It's pointless.

972
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.639
More sadly, you know, did we go through all of this for?

973
00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:25.860
What did we go through this for?

974
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.699
Did we learn?

975
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.699
And he goes, there wasn't any story to it.

976
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.099
That's exactly the problem.

977
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:33.599
There's plot.

978
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.980
There's incident.

979
00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:40.500
Things happen, but there's no story, and none of the things that happen are particularly entertaining.

980
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.679
Like he's skulking in a bar to escape her.

981
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:47.219
She's embarrassing herself in front of everyone.

982
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.820
The fish people are like, what?

983
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.619
You know, like what even are they?

984
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.300
It's dreadful.

985
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.119
Do you remember what we did looking for Pamok in all the wrong places?

986
00:59:57.179 --> 01:00:00.119
That was a sex comedy which was just hanging about, wasn't it?

987
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

988
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:02.159
Yeah.

989
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:06.119
But again, like there were plots, weren't there?

990
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:12.300
And there were like 3 arcs or something going on and they resolved themselves.

991
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.800
They did things, the scenes contributed to an arc.

992
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:20.099
They all resolved themselves in the infirmary when everyone had been fucking.

993
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:25.559
Thank God, it's over, Nathan.

994
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:26.820
Oh, that was really miserable.

995
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:36.360
So, you know, things like this, things like the royale, you know, like, like this season is just full of this sort of shit.

996
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:41.699
And it fails in a much worse way, I think, than series one.

997
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.139
There's, I would sooner watch, God help me, code of, maybe not code of honour.

998
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:53.699
I would soon watch Angel One or Lonely Among Us or, you know, like...

999
01:00:53.699 --> 01:00:54.719
Do you remember Angel One?

1000
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.719
I mean, Rocker's wearing that tin foil and all his airy chests out.

1001
01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:00.179
Yeah, that was a formative moment actually for me.

1002
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:07.260
That's where I questioned him as an ambassador, being straight down star planet, and so I was fucking the leader immediately.

1003
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:08.219
Yeah, yeah.

1004
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:10.500
There's a lot of sex going on, you know.

1005
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:11.400
Honestly, isn't there?

1006
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:12.300
Yeah, TNG.

1007
01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:13.739
Well, that's all right.

1008
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:15.119
I don't check.

1009
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:18.360
I quite like sex, but I don't like...

1010
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:21.059
It's funny how unremarkable it is later.

1011
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:33.239
You know, when Captain Locker is having sex with that fantastic admiral in series one of, um, you know, she's so great and uh, like they have a proper relationship.

1012
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:39.780
No, even better when they go to the alternative universe, and I'm perfectly convinced that it's your show is just having sex with everybody.

1013
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.360
Yeah, that Lord Ealing.

1014
01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:43.980
I mean look at her.

1015
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:44.699
Honestly.

1016
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.800
You would, wouldn't you?

1017
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:47.639
You do as you're told.

1018
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1019
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.760
Yeah, no, yeah, that's Michelle.

1020
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:53.340
Yeah, no, that was dreadful.

1021
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.300
And I think that that's probably the worst that we've ever seen.

1022
01:01:57.300 --> 01:02:04.559
And it, you know, Shades of Grey is clearly what, the worst piece of television the franchise is ever produced.

1023
01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:07.380
But this has to be close, I think.

1024
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:09.179
I agree.

1025
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.280
I think this is very, very boring.

1026
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.659
And do you know what, for once?

1027
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.840
I often think when we watch episodes that are not great.

1028
01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:25.320
You can like sit back and go, okay, with some tweaks, and with a bit of skill, I'm not sure how you could make this work at all.

1029
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.280
No.

1030
01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:30.719
No, you would have to introduce a story at some point.

1031
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.519
It would have to be a...

1032
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:34.199
You'd think that was a given, wouldn't you?

1033
01:02:34.260 --> 01:02:36.179
Yeah, you would.

1034
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:41.519
You would think that just having people do things for 45 minutes and then running the closing credits.

1035
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:47.039
That's not your job finished, you know, like that's not what you're here to do.

1036
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:53.039
And even sub rows are, you know, which has massive lapses of taste and all sorts of weird shit going on.

1037
01:02:53.099 --> 01:03:03.179
That was so much more enjoyable to watch, even though it is kind of a fiasco, um, because there's fun, interesting things happening.

1038
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.039
Paracic fiasco.

1039
01:03:05.099 --> 01:03:09.239
It's amazing. my respect for sub-rosa after watching this.

1040
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.239
Well, I've got some good news for you.

1041
01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:13.320
What's that?

1042
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:18.480
I think it's going to be a long time before we see anything as dreary as that again.

1043
01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:22.679
Yeah, yeah, it'll be, uh, it'll be shades of gray next week.

1044
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:23.760
Spirit folk.

1045
01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:43.440
All right, it's a very special time of the episode, and it's a very special time of the year because we are choosing what we're going to watch this Christmas.

1046
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:50.940
It's a very Star Trek Christmas this year, and Joe, tell us what sort of thing we're choosing.

1047
01:03:51.119 --> 01:04:01.500
The only part of the franchise that we've not touched upon at all, which is the fabulous run of Star Trek movies.

1048
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:02.519
Yeah.

1049
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:03.179
Yeah.

1050
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:03.840
Yep.

1051
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:03.960
Yep.

1052
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:06.000
This is going to be really something. been waiting for this.

1053
01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:09.300
I been waiting for Christmas to come around so we can finally do a movie.

1054
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.639
And, you know, like even the bad ones.

1055
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:20.039
Like, I'm prepared for it to be one of the bad ones and statistically, we've got a fairly good chance of landing a bad one because they're quite a few bad ones.

1056
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:24.000
But, you know, I have such fond memories of these.

1057
01:04:24.059 --> 01:04:37.320
I don't think, I think maybe the 1st one that I ever saw in the cinema was 6 and that would have come out like on Boxing Day and like I just, that's a high bar, you know, 6.

1058
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:41.340
Yes, it's really... these movies to all be fantastic.

1059
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:42.900
That's right.

1060
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.119
But there are some really great ones in there.

1061
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:51.179
And even some of the ones that are less highly regarded have positive qualities.

1062
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:55.260
And we're choosing from the 3 kind of phases, aren't we?

1063
01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:02.340
So the original series movies, you know, one to six, the next generation ones, which are mostly terrible.

1064
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:07.139
And then the 3 JJ Abrams, you know, the new ones.

1065
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:14.639
And I think all of them have, you know, good things to say about them and all of them are fun to different sort of degrees.

1066
01:05:14.699 --> 01:05:25.019
Even something as miserable as Star Trek Nemesis has got that incredible cinematic sequence at the end where the 2 ships collide.

1067
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:26.400
Yeah, yeah.

1068
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:32.400
I mean, I am thrilled that it's me that gets to press the button on the 1st movie.

1069
01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:33.119
Okay.

1070
01:05:33.179 --> 01:05:34.139
All right. press it.

1071
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.179
Oh my god.

1072
01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:39.239
It's Star Trek 5.

1073
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:40.800
No, it's not.

1074
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.880
It's into Darkness.

1075
01:05:41.940 --> 01:05:43.139
No.

1076
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:47.579
It's insurrection. right back to the beginning.

1077
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:52.019
Oh, it's Star Trek the motionless picture. motionless.

1078
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:52.619
Yeah.

1079
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.559
There is motion.

1080
01:05:55.619 --> 01:05:56.340
It's just very slow.

1081
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:04.440
I actually haven't seen the new the new director's cut, the new one that they did for the anniversary.

1082
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.139
We could maybe watch that.

1083
01:06:08.219 --> 01:06:10.800
No, you want to press the button again.

1084
01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:12.719
Oh, I already have, I'm afraid.

1085
01:06:12.780 --> 01:06:13.320
Okay.

1086
01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:14.159
Oh, so sorry.

1087
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:20.639
No, no, like, I only watched a motion picture for the 1st time this year is the only Starship movie I hadn't seen.

1088
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:32.159
I went to my explicit orders because I had a secret plan for you to watch it for the 1st time while we were recording. deviant. why.

1089
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.619
Our friend was desperate.

1090
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:35.219
He was lonely.

1091
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:36.719
He wanted to watch a Star Trek movie.

1092
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:39.059
And I did think it was visually.

1093
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.280
It was pretty stunning.

1094
01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:44.519
Narratively, it was a bit turgid, but...

1095
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.440
Yeah, so, you know, it's like 2 original Star Trek episodes sort of roll together.

1096
01:06:49.500 --> 01:07:00.900
We've kind of got, you know, the changeling and we've got, I can't remember what else, but, you know, it's very period as well and it is trying to do 2001, isn't it?

1097
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.179
Which is, you know, a few years earlier.

1098
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:12.239
And so it is slow and stately and it is massively proud of the new special effects that they have available and stuff like that.

1099
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.579
I you know, I think there's a lot going for it.

1100
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:21.059
Absolutely, we'll get to the motion picture, but I think we should start with something... a bit...

1101
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.940
Well, yeah, a bit pacier and Okay, so what have you rolled?

1102
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:25.260
A bit less cerebral.

1103
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.000
Well, and I kind of want to do this as well, because I think it is a spectacular failure.

1104
01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:35.460
Um, It is both spectacular and a failure.

1105
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:36.480
Is it five?

1106
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.039
It's not.

1107
01:07:38.099 --> 01:07:39.659
It's generations.

1108
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.500
Oh God, it's terrible, isn't it?

1109
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.559
visually. visually.

1110
01:07:46.619 --> 01:07:48.239
It's David Carson who did emissary.

1111
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.179
I don't know what else he did now.

1112
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:52.079
He did a couple of other.

1113
01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:54.360
Did he do Encounter at FarQ?

1114
01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:56.340
No, no, no, no, no.

1115
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:01.320
But it's, you know, Next Generation is finally lit or lit well.

1116
01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.800
And obviously it's got Shatner in there as well.

1118
01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:08.280
And some other characters and I don't know.

1119
01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:10.380
I think that's quite an interesting place to start.

1120
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:12.119
It's a terrible movie, but...

1121
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:23.640
Yeah, well, that'd be good because, you know, we've, we've been watching original Trek and 90s Trek and and Kurtzman Trek and this one at least bridges the gap between 2 of them.

1122
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:41.399
And it is, it's not the 1st Star Trek film to be born into a world where Star Trek the Next Generation exists because I think 5 and 6, I think 5 coincides with series 2, am I right?

1123
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:43.800
And yeah, there's 2 of Next Generation.

1124
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:48.420
But it is, you know, post Star Trek, the Next Generation Star Trek.

1125
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:50.640
I can see why it'd be interesting to do.

1126
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:51.779
Also as well.

1127
01:08:51.899 --> 01:09:10.979
You know, it is a meeting of 2 greats from 90s Trek, who never worked together beyond the movies, aside from a couple of episodes of Voyager, and that is Ronald D. Moore, from DS9 and TNG, and Brannan Bragger, from Voyager and Enterprise.

1128
01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:19.319
And it's worth talking about those 2 working together because they do a couple of movies and then they have a spectacular fallout.

1129
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.039
Right.

1130
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:25.739
And I just think the 2 of them are working in different directions and that's what's wrong with generations.

1131
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:32.460
I think what's wrong with generations is I don't give a shit about the people of Veridian 3 in the film.

1132
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:36.119
Gives me no reason to give a shit about them.

1133
01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:41.819
Agonising secrets where Picard breaks down over his family who have been killed off screen.

1134
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:42.960
So bad.

1135
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.819
But it does have the amazing sequence where the enterprise crashes with Troy at the helm.

1136
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

1137
01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:51.539
Yeah, I think it's, yeah, yeah.

1138
01:09:51.539 --> 01:09:55.619
As many, many jokes about the women drivers, you know?

1139
01:09:55.680 --> 01:10:00.119
That's a bit unfortunate. at least there's no jokes about fur boobs.

1140
01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:02.399
No, they will come.

1141
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.920
All right, that's going to be great.

1142
01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:06.420
Merry Christmas, everyone.

1143
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.220
It's Star Trek generations.

1144
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:09.779
Oh, let's do it.

1145
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.920
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project.

1146
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:21.600
Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1147
01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:27.000
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1148
01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:31.979
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the themes composed by Cameron Lamb.

1149
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:37.319
This episode was recorded on the 5th of December 2022 and released on the 16th of December.

1150
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:42.239
We will see you next time for our 1st Star Trek movie, Star Trek generations.

1151
01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:04.560
Okay.

1152
01:11:04.619 --> 01:11:05.220
Briiant.

1153
01:11:05.220 --> 01:11:05.939
What a choice.

1154
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.260
That's awesome.

1155
01:11:07.979 --> 01:11:09.539
Wow.

1156
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:11.579
I mean, it is terrible.

1157
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:12.359
It's quite fun.

1158
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.680
Yeah, it is kind of terrible.

1159
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:21.960
I remember my father watched it and he said, and then suddenly they're on a boat and I don't know why and what's going on, you know, like...

1160
01:11:22.020 --> 01:11:22.979
Yeah.

1161
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:24.239
I've got a feeling.

1162
01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:27.239
I think that's Mark's favourite, you know.

1163
01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:29.939
Of all the Star Trek movies.

1164
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:30.779
Wow.

1165
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:35.880
Then, you know, he absolutely, his favourite doctor was the annual evasion, like, you know.

1166
01:11:35.939 --> 01:11:37.439
Yeah, fair enough.

1167
01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:40.020
I like, what do I like?

1168
01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:43.979
I like Star Trek.

1169
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:45.119
Beyond.

1170
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.319
I like Such a Beyond. very like an original series.

1171
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.180
Yeah, episode.

1172
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:52.920
It gives everyone time to do something.

1173
01:11:52.979 --> 01:11:55.199
Yeah, just split.

1174
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:56.520
No.

1175
01:11:56.579 --> 01:12:00.420
The Anton Elchin died and kind of sound the whole thing.

1176
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:02.039
They keep saying they're good, didn't they?

1177
01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:03.899
Yeah, but I don't think they will.

1178
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.199
I mean, I don't think Star Trek is actually a movie franchise anyway.

1179
01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:08.340
I think it's a...

1180
01:12:08.340 --> 01:12:09.899
I think the TNG movies prove that.

1181
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:10.920
Yeah, yeah.

1182
01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:12.000
But it's got to be...

1183
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:12.899
Set pisses were bigger.

1184
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:17.579
But it was insurrection is still just a 2 part next generation story.

1185
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.279
Yeah, yeah. like gambit or something.

1186
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:24.119
I mean, that's half the problem is they bring in the TV writers to write those movies.

1187
01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:25.079
Yeah.

1188
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:25.920
Yeah.

1189
01:12:25.979 --> 01:12:27.720
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

1190
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:29.939
In fact, there's loads to talk about with generations, isn't it?

1191
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:30.659
Absolutely.

1192
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.619
Passing the torch on, you know, the little cameos, the ones that didn't make it.

1193
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.760
Yep, yeah.

1194
01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:37.739
I think Wesley was more, wasn't he?

1195
01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:39.960
Ah, was he?

1196
01:12:40.020 --> 01:12:40.979
Yeah, I think so.

1197
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.140
I bet the memory Apple page is enormous.

1198
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:43.739
Yeah.

1199
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.579
Do you remember the, you might not have seen it in lower decks.

1200
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:48.479
Oh, yeah, you have.

1201
01:12:48.539 --> 01:12:53.640
You know, um, crisis point, the, the movie that Mariner makes in the holiday.

1202
01:12:53.760 --> 01:13:06.720
Yeah, there's that long sequence where they're in the shuttle going around and around the Cerritos, which is, you know, just goes on forever and the music comes in and it's just...

1203
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:07.979
I wonder what they're referencing, man.

1204
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:09.899
Yeah, the motion picture.

1205
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:10.979
It's so cool.

1206
01:13:11.939 --> 01:13:12.359
Jesus.

1207
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:16.079
I can't believe I get like Malcolm McDowell is a brilliant actor.

1208
01:13:16.140 --> 01:13:18.659
And he's so lost in that role.

1209
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:19.920
He don't know what he's doing.

1210
01:13:19.979 --> 01:13:22.020
He's on that mountain with that rocket.

1211
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:24.180
The plastic rocket.

1212
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:26.220
Oh, he's related, isn't he?

1213
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.439
Acidic Elpha deal. he?

1214
01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:30.000
Yeah, city girl for deal.

1215
01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:30.899
I think he is his nephew.

1216
01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:32.699
Seriously.

1217
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:37.319
Yeah, they have Christmas together. makes some references about it in interviews and things.

1218
01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:38.340
Holy shit.

1219
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.500
That's amazing.