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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we chose last week, I'm just contextualising this, because

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basically we have only ourselves to blame.

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Last week we said we were going to roll and reroll until we got a

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bad Star Trek, the Next Generation episode and preferably one from

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series one or series two.

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And I think Mission accomplished.

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I think this might be the worst episode we've ever done.

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To quote you in a previous episode, Mayo, I congratulate us on a

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spectacular success.

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Yeah, because this was tubious on a level.

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I didn't know existed until I watched it.

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Yeah, and that's the point of it.

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I mean, we've done clunkers.

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We had great fun watching sub rows.

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You had fun watching Spock's brain.

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I mean, we've watched things that are sort of generally regarded

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as kind of terrible, but I've never been so bored and I really

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struggle to concentrate all the way through.

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It's really bad.

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The thing that really leapt out at me about this one was, I was

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going, what the hell am I going to talk about in this episode?

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you know?

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And then it was sort of all the stuff around it that was far more

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interesting than the episode itself.

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This is Troy and that, you know, the implications of Roddenbury

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sex obsession that comes into TNG.

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You know, the season 2 writer strike, that affected this, early

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TNG, which is a very interesting place to visit.

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Yeah, but the episode itself, there's just nothing to this.

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There's no substance to it.

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There's no sort of, I don't think there's a narrative.

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They suggest at the end of this that there was a plot all along

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but the plot doesn't exist until that last scene.

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Yeah.

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And there's not even like a character story going on here, isn't

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it?

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It's just, Mrs. Troy is horny.

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That's the point.

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Yeah, and you know, it's easy to imagine an episode with that

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premise that's actually funny and that's not kind of mean-spirited

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towards Mrs. Troy, but that's not what we get here.

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And partly it's because they're all doing their early performances

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and Marina in particular needed to be funnier than she's kind of

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allowing herself to be here.

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There is a world's difference between, I don't know, Nepenthe that

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we watched in Picard.

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I mean, they could practically be different characters.

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She has got a stick so far up her butt in this episode.

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And like some of these lines, they're not great lines, but if you

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just said them, like if you relax the little bit and have some fun

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with them, instead, she's just playing the whole thing up tight.

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I'm like, this just isn't funny.

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No, and I think that has to be how she's been instructed to do it

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or how the character is conceived, I think.

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And so like that's a problem.

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What, what I think the, the basic problem is, is that there's plot

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but no story.

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And so it's very clear that the writers are just desperate to come

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up with 45 minutes of material.

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And so none of it matters.

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It is just using up the time.

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And it's a series 2 problem, I think, because they don't have

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riders.

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You know, sometimes they're recycling old scripts from Star Trek

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phase two, like the child.

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And sometimes they're just kind of, well, I mean, it's a short

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season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is a short season. shade of gray at the end of the season.

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They're like, well we've got no story at all.

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Let's just do some linking narration around clips and put a load

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of clips out.

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Yeah, I've seen that done pretty well on other shows, but they

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just fudge it in Shade of Grey.

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This is written by Tracy Tormay, who contributes a fair amount of

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episodes in series one or two.

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There's actually a sequel to 2 Tracy Tourmet episodes.

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It's a sequel to Haven, which is the 1st Luaxander Troy episode

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and it's a sequel to The Big Goodbye, which is the 1st Dixon Hill

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episode.

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And I don't think Haven's great, but I actually think Mrs. Troy is

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a lot of fun in that episode and she brings a bit of sort of crass

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humour to TNG that he desperately needed in season one, which is

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so bloody po-faced.

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And the Dixon Hill episode in season one is one of the best and

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they really lean into that sort of noir-ish atmosphere and it's

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stylish as hell.

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And may I say Gates McFadden looks absolutely bloody gorgeous when

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she steps onto that holodeck.

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But for some reason, bringing those 2 things together here, well

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that just doesn't work at all.

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No, no.

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What's interesting is that this was heavily rewritten by Maurice

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Hurley, who nobody has a good word to say about, and it sounds

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like he spent most of that 2nd season pissing everybody off

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including the regulars.

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And Tracy Tomay took his name off this because he was so appalled

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with the rewrites that Maurice Hurley had dumb.

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And originally this was supposed to be a much more leaning into

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the Dixon Hill and having a plot within the Dixon Hill.

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What happens is, is those 2 plots jam together very awkwardly.

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I was watching this from my other half and he was going, how is

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this and this, Mrs. Troy?

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and this detective story?

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How is this connected?

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And then it's just her coming on there.

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Like falling in love with one of the holodeck characters for 2

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minutes.

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Yes.

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And then the episode ends.

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It's just so awkward.

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No, it's not like, you know, we've had episodes with an A plot and

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a B plot that haven't been related to one another and don't kind

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of have any particular resonance.

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And that's kind of a failure mode, but it usually works okay.

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This is worse than that because there's really just nothing.

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I mean, there's really nothing here at all.

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And like there's nothing particularly Star Trek about it either.

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It's kind of a sitcom episode where the horny mother-in-law turns

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up or something. where none of the gags land.

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No, I thought mind a bit of crass humour, you know.

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I love those 70s, BBC sitcoms, and things like that, but none of

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this dialogue is witty, and it's all so overplayed.

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I mean, Patrick Stewart is doing everything but looking straight

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to camera, you know, going, ooh, you know, all the old ones after

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me, you know.

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What must they have thought of what they'd got themselves in for

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because series one is bad, but in a different way from this.

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And in a way, this is worse than series one, I think.

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Because series one has all these lapses of taste and it doesn't

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quite know what it's doing and stuff, but generally speaking, you

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have a functioning story of some kind at least.

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And I think there's some ambition in the sort of breadth of

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storytelling they're trying to do in series one.

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They've kind of found their feet in series 2, found a feet as in

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the story, type of stories they're going to tell, and then they

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just tell more, but just kind of badly.

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Well, I think that there's probably a roundabout, we were sort of

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calculating this earlier today.

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I reckon there's probably 5 or 6 that are actual functional

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stories.

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And even in those, there's a lot of time devoted to just staying

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alive for 45 minutes so we can run the closing credits.

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And that seems to be kind of the principal motivation for many of

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the other stories.

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But like this is a season. kinder, aren't I?

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a little bit kind of, and that's only because I think some of the

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really dreadful episodes this season are actually a lot of fun

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like the dolphin and things like that.

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I mean, it's appalling, but it's, you know, wharf clawing around

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on the floor with a Klingon woman and things like this.

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It's dreadful, but it's very funny.

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I think too, what it does is something that I kind of secretly

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like.

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And I remember watching the child for the 1st time.

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So the 1st Star Trek, The Next Generation I watched was series one

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when it was released on home video here in Australia, and all but

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2 of the episodes.

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They didn't do home soil or too shorter season.

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They didn't get released, but the rest of series one was released

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in random order and stuff and I watched them all and I was kind of

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interested.

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But when series 2 comes along, it's better looking, there's the

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set, which we turn forward set is there.

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And and they've moved Geordie.

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Whoopi Goldberg.

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Yeah, yeah, they've moved Geordie into engineering, which is, you

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know, the party.

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He's slightly less obnoxious and in a better uniform than he was.

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You know, they have made some good innovations.

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They just haven't brought in good writers.

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No.

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And you've got Pulaski, who I think is really great as well.

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We've got to talk about her in this because we haven't got much of

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a chance.

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She only in this one series before.

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Dr Ben's back.

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Yeah, but what we get is a lot of hang time with the crew, because

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there's no functioning story.

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And so it is just the crew hanging around doing things.

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And I secretly sort of like that a bit.

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I mean, it doesn't make me think these episodes are good, but it

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is just sort of spending time on the ship.

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Like in this episode, there's one where, you know how they were

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very excited in encounter a far point about the flashing lights

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that would lead you down the corridor if you couldn't find where

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the thing is and they show them here.

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You know, just remember, we've got flashing lights and it's sort

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of terrifically exciting.

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So that sort of stuff, I secretly kind of like.

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And so all of those episodes have a little bit more of that.

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Whereas later on when Star Trek becomes properly good and it

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becomes good immediately, I think, in series 3, where the stories

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are the focus and that's how it should be.

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There's a little bit less time for that filler.

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And I kind of secretly like the filler a little bit.

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It is awkward about that, is the characters aren't quite formed

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yeah.

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Are they?

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Or how as good as they're going to be?

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So we're hanging out with these sort of 2 thirds formed

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characters.

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Yeah, this weird simulacra of the people we know and love.

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We should probably go in, but before we do, I really quickly want

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to drop that I listen to a couple of things are a couple of

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podcasts and a video on YouTube of Michelle Barrett, who is an

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incredibly erudite, incredibly smart woman, and really, really

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interesting.

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It's definitely worth seeking out any interview you can get with

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her.

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And one thing she drops is that like middle-aged women were coming

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up to her after she started playing Mrs. Troy, saying, thank you

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so much.

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I am so pleased there is this sexually voracious woman on TV.

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There's, you know, of mature years.

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And that is kind of refreshing.

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It's a shame it doesn't work here.

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There are other points where it does.

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I love her and Renee Oberjohn White in DS9.

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I think that works a tree, especially when they make they do some

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really poignant stuff with that.

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Well, she has a sort of auntie maime thing going, like in cost of

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living where she takes Alexander under her wing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then she turns up to the wedding naked.

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Like she's marrying this really straight laced guy and that's how

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she gets rid of this.

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Are you enjoying your life?

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Like, is the wolf fun?

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It's so good.

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That's really fun. people generally don't regard that episode very

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highly, but I think it's really good for this.

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Terrific.

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I mean, it's got Bron Bosnell in it.

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Sorry, it's not entirely good, but you know.

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But the other thing that they discover later on, of course, is

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that she can properly act.

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And so they put her up against David Ogden Spears, which I think

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is really terrific.

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It's half a life, I think it's called.

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The sequence in the Forth Aken where she takes off that wig in the

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turbo lift and he melts into her lap and she says, you know, let

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go. going to take care of you.

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And those moments where she drops the mask and shows that she's

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really vulnerable.

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Major Barrett is brilliant.

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But the other story that she drops, which I thought this was

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fantastic, and this showed me, you know, the nuts that she has as

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an actress in the 60s, because obviously she played number one in

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the original Star Trek pilot, she watched an amazing part in this

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incredible show, because she's not married to Jean Robinbury at

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this point.

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And obviously the studio execs look at the pilot and go, well, look

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we're not putting that out.

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But if you make all these revisions and take the woman out of a

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command position because no one's ever going to buy into that, like

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the bloody prehistoric dinosaurs that they are.

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Well, I think they thought she was too manish.

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She wasn't womanly enough or something.

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But then they thought the spot character didn't work either.

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I mean, these people didn't.

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I think studio executives through the ages don't really have a

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clue, you know.

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They're those same people that were in the suits watching Kate

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Mulgra in the 1st series game.

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Is she going to be any good?

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Anywho, Michelle Barrett is heartbroken because she really wanted

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this role and she says, she quotes saying, oh, Jim Rumby took the

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woman out of the show, but brought the woman into its home, so

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asked her to marry him because he couldn't bear to break her

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heart.

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And by all accounts, they had a very successful and wonderful

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marriage.

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And she says, like Star Trek never came into the home.

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So the fact that they were both doing Star Treky things all the

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time.

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It never ever came.

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It was a very normal domestic life.

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But she wanted a part in this show.

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And she was, because she was with Jean Roberts, she was reading

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the scripts and then this character of Nurse Chappell turned up

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and she's like, well, I ain't number one, but it's still a part in

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this show.

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I'm going to audition for this.

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So she dyed her hair blonde.

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And then she went in to audition for the show.

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Gene Robinbury came into his office, walked past her, smiled at

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her, said hello, did not recognise her at all, went into his

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office, came out again.

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He did it 3 times.

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He saw her and did, and then he went, May Joe?

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And he realised it was her.

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And she was like, if I can convince him, I can convince anyone.

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She did the auditions in front of the execs and they had no clue

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it was the same woman they'd watched in the pilot.

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They changed her name in the pilot credits, so she could slip

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through the net for that episode, and that's the only reason she

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got on Star Trek due to this like massive subterfuge.

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I thought it was wonderful.

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What a great story.

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And thus begun her just amazing journey with Star Trek, you know?

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Like, and like Mrs. Troy or Done, she really impacted this show

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and she is a character that people remember.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit of a shame how she's treated here, though, sadly. and a

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few other places as well.

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What do you reckon?

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Okay, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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It was nice to say some positive things there, you know, before

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we...

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So miserable, isn't it?

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The Enterprise gracefully heading past that panic...

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Oh, do you know what?

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These dress uniforms.

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My other wife goes to me.

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Why are they all wearing dresses?

321
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Yeah.

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I said, it's the future, darling. of course.

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Are people still wearing the scans?

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Are they men wearing the scans?

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I think that doesn't survive past series one.

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It's just series one. yeah.

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Berman's involved at this point is like, no, we're not having

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women in men in skirts.

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Come on.

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For God's sake.

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So here we have Fleetwood Mac turning up in Star Trek.

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The Mick Fleetwood.

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I think he's probably the front one, but there's no way of

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telling.

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There's alios are so shit.

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They're really bad.

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Do you remember the Anticans and the Soleil in series one?

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Incredible.

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Yeah, the Lion people and the fish people and they're actually not

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fish people.

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They're cobras or something.

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Very well designed and realised.

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And it's not the sort of thing that Star Trek tends to go back

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to.

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It tends to just be Americans with sort of ridges on them.

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But this, like, it's a banned costume.

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Well, I don't think like the heads would be so bad if they weren't

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in those bizarre shower curtains.

349
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, the heads are still very bad.

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There's nothing.

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And you can bless Diana Moldarf or try to make them seem

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convincing, you know?

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I think that they are the recipient of the episode's only joke

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that lands, so we will get there.

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But I think that they, you know, the thing that's bad about them

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isn't just the sort of stupid mouths and stuff and the fact that

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they have obvious gills in front of the actors' eyes so that they

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can see where they're going, even though they never go anywhere.

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Like, you know, they're just shocking.

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Yeah this is it.

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This is it, where Worf looks at them and goes water, handsome

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race.

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And then... you know what?

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There was one other joke.

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I thought work with them was when she went, I still think they'd

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look better. they'd be better in sauce or something like that.

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But the 1st time, like the 1st line is a non-joke, like it

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attempts to be a joke.

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She says something.

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She says something like I've, you know, I've seen things like that

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served at dinner or something.

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It's kind of, come on, that's not a joke.

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But it also makes you wonder how Mrs. Troy ever became an

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ambassador with tact like that.

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Yeah, you know, super racist in this.

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I love this bit though.

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So this is Deanna actually successfully detecting something and

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she's horrified and then we discover it's her mother, which I

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think is actually pretty good.

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Although it's a little bit unfortunate to have her use the word

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articulate when she's talking about a black man.

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Like that's a particular kind of word that needs to be used with a

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lot more care than they see and uses it.

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And so it's a bit shit, I think.

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But the way she pushes him aside, sort of smothers over him and

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goes right in front of that camera there.

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That is a good sign of the subtlety you're going to get in this

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episode.

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You know?

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I love her contacts, you know, black eyes.

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Yeah, well, I mean, Marina's got them, but she would have dark

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eyes anyway, but she's wearing the black context too.

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They just look more striking with because Marina's got that sort

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of, you know, she's Greek background.

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She's got that sort of colouring.

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It looks more striking, I think.

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I just feel like, you know, Patrick Stewart, yeah.

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I feel like this should be very funny because he's so serious in

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series one and two.

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So seeing him on the back foot like this.

402
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It should be really quite funny and it's just awkward to watch.

403
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Yeah, no, it's embarrassing to watch.

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I just kept thinking, you know, doesn't he have that story about

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how he sort of didn't unpack his suitcase during...

406
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That's right.

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Like you know, he must have been thinking, God, this is going to

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be over quite quickly, isn't it?

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Because it is...

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I saw a story where he's like, I'm going to quit in series 5

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unless you let me direct more episodes and give me more women.

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He knew he was onto a winner at that point, you know?

413
00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

414
00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.680
Well, the show's good at that point, I think.

415
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Could we very quickly talk about Pulaski?

416
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Yeah, because I am a massive fan.

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Now, I don't think it always lands well because they're not always

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writing to character strengths in season two, but the fact that

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they brought in a character that would deliberately create tension

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amongst this nicely nice crew.

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I think it's so refreshing.

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When Dr. Bev comes back and I know you like Ace McFadden.

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But fuck me, she is a boring character in comparison.

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I think the problem is that Wesley is now there for literally no

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reason at all and that's a problem.

426
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Oh, he's not.

427
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I was too old when I watched this, to be a trader.

428
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I'm too old now, and I still...

429
00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:57.839
Yeah, so like it's just leaves him kind of hanging with no primary

430
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relationship.

431
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And I think it's just a bit of a shame as well.

432
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You know, they can't keep the regular.

433
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Being mean to data, did they?

434
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Do you remember when she comes home?

435
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She calls him a robot and things like that.

436
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It's absolutely trying to do the De Forrest Kelly thing, isn't

437
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it?

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And...

439
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Yeah, see this?

440
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Where are my legs?

441
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What's that?

442
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That's not funny.

443
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What's, what, like, it's, yeah, she's doing Deforest Kelly here

444
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being distrustful of the, of the transporter.

445
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It's just not great.

446
00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:30.480
Well, so is Pulaski.

447
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Do you remember Pulaski don't like the transport, either?

448
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The shirt's right.

449
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

450
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Yeah.

451
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Last night I saw something like that.

452
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It was being served on a plate. that's not a joke.

453
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That's not a joke.

454
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Do you know what I mean?

455
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It's just rude.

456
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But it, like, it was being served on a plate.

457
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Like, go to more effort than that.

458
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The source line later is slightly better, but, you know, it's a

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nothing line.

460
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The joke was... weird obsession with sexy legs as well.

461
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What's that all about?

462
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Yeah, yeah.

463
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I mean, she kind of even see their legs.

464
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Holy shit, special guest appearance by Mick Fleetwood.

465
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There we go.

466
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Oh, I love Mr. Holm.

467
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No.

468
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I do like Mr. Holm.

469
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Yeah, yeah.

470
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And he goes on to play what's his face in the Adams family, doesn't

471
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he?

472
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Oh, lurch, is it?

473
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Lurch.

474
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That's right.

475
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And the previous lurch had been on Star Trek as well.

476
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Like, had been on a... designed to say that word, you know.

477
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Oh okay.

478
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Which one?

479
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Oh, and this, like, this is, again, that's funny for a second, but

480
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then...

481
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And then we have to watch it for 5 minutes as he's taken that. just

482
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misery.

483
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So he can't lift the thing and he's doing his best lifting of

484
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giant piece of polystyrene acting like he's really kind of going

485
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for it, but it's actually not that funny.

486
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I really, the best joke or the one that landed the most for me was

487
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it was because there was no dialogue whatsoever.

488
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It's when Picard goes to the party and Mr. Holm drinks the entire

489
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drink in front of him and it's like a minute sequence of Picard

490
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just going, oh, that was for us, you know, for everybody.

491
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Oh, this day called Nathan.

492
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This Enterprise decor in the guest suite.

493
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Yeah.

494
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It's very 1980s sort of...

495
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Hotel, isn't it?

496
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It's it's pretty easy.

497
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It's like a terrible hotel.

498
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It really, really.

499
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But, you know, like whatever and they're clearly trying to get

500
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away from the primary colours of the original show.

501
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Why?

502
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I'm not sure.

503
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:46.259
We did trouble or tribbles, how vibrant that was.

504
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.339
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:47.880
Yeah.

506
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:50.759
It sort of, it sort of popped off the screen.

507
00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:51.720
This does not pop.

508
00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:54.779
It's just like, you know, visual wallpaper.

509
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.500
Yeah, but, I mean, that's a problem that they never get away

510
00:23:58.500 --> 00:23:58.859
from.

511
00:23:58.920 --> 00:23:59.460
Is it?

512
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.599
It's the whole non-reflective surfaces problem that we, that

513
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:08.579
plagues 20, how many seasons, 25 seasons of this?

514
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.079
Many, yeah.

515
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:19.259
So the Mrs. Troy and Deanna relationship.

516
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.220
I do believe the chemistry between the 2 actresses.

517
00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:27.539
And occasionally they write it well, but I think it's one of the

518
00:24:27.539 --> 00:24:29.759
strongest pairings that Star Trek ever gave us.

519
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:31.259
Yeah.

520
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:38.640
I mean, it's when Marina relaxes and can be more visibly annoyed

521
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.000
but she's such a good girl at this point, she has to be a good

522
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:42.480
girl.

523
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:45.480
And so in this sex comedy thing, it doesn't quite work.

524
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:51.000
I think there's a funny moment where Riker, Riker's reaction to

525
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.859
some of this stuff is actually pretty good.

526
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.779
And, like, the whole premise, right?

527
00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.579
So we've had Ponfar, right?

528
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.539
which is Spock is so horny that he has to go back to his home

529
00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:05.039
planet or he'll die.

530
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:10.980
And so now we have the phase, which is sort of the Bajoran

531
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:14.339
menopause, which makes her finally, suddenly sexual.

532
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.539
And it's just a little bit pathetic.

533
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:24.539
Like, she's a little bit, like, it isn't quite the empowering.

534
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:28.680
It's not quite the empowering sort of portrayal of a middle-aged

535
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:32.279
woman who really enjoys sex and thinks of herself as sexy and

536
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:32.579
stuff.

537
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.019
It's not quite that.

538
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.160
It's a little bit pathetic and and they have her fall in love with

539
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.960
the holiday guy, you know, in like it's slightly depressing, I

540
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:43.559
think.

541
00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:46.859
Well, it portrays her as being stupid as well.

542
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:51.480
Because then it has to be spelt out that he's not real, that, you

543
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.779
know, she's walked into this detective fiction environment and she

544
00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:57.119
hasn't realised it's a, it's a holiday.

545
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:59.279
Like, how the hell is this woman an ambassador?

546
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.299
Yeah, that's right.

547
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.599
And she doesn't really understand the technology or anything like

548
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:03.779
that.

549
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.900
So she is portrayed as being a bit stupid.

550
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.359
Oh, so this.

551
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:14.460
So this is the plot where she's in I was sinking into my seat at

552
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:16.559
this point where I'm like, oh, come on, Picard.

553
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:20.400
Will you please realise you're the only person going to this

554
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:20.880
dinner?

555
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:21.599
has been invited?

556
00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:22.859
Have you not worked that out?

557
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.960
She was looking at your bum earlier?

558
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.099
Like, get the message.

559
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.960
Although I did think he was quite smart when he pulled data in and

560
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.660
was like, absolutely fascinating, Mr. Data.

561
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.859
Please come and join us, you know.

562
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.900
But then data looks like an idiot.

563
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:37.799
There too.

564
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:40.799
And this is before data is properly settled down as well.

565
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.240
Here we go.

566
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:43.259
Here's Mr. Hol.

567
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:44.640
He's drinking.

568
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:47.339
Well, I think it's illegal, but it is blue.

569
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.079
So, possibly.

570
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.180
And it doesn't look like ale.

571
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.980
It always looks like whiskey or something.

572
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.119
So, I don't know.

573
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.160
There he goes.

574
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:59.279
We cut away so that the actor doesn't have to drink it all in one

575
00:26:59.279 --> 00:26:59.579
go.

576
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:05.039
But the idea of a mature woman who is horny as hell.

577
00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:06.359
That's not a terrible idea.

578
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:07.259
I know.

579
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.619
I know, and I don't think Star Trek should not do sex comedy.

580
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.359
I don't think it should not do sex comedy.

581
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.019
I think it should do everything.

582
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.339
You know, I know you say.

583
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.200
You've seen fascinations and the naked now.

584
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:22.200
But what about the naked now simulation in the lower debt?

585
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:24.359
That is the...

586
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.220
You can see born as butthole, don't you?

587
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.740
It's the rudest thing I've ever seen.

588
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.259
It's really, I mean, you know, that's fun.

589
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.819
I think Star Trek can do anything.

590
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.880
That's a great thing about it, but this is just bad.

591
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:42.420
And it's, it isn't quite the sophomoric attitude to sex that we

592
00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:47.279
get in Voyager, where we sort of constantly sniggering about the

593
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.519
fact that beautiful women are beautiful and staff, you know, the

594
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.759
Delaney sisters and things is all sort of incredibly depressing.

595
00:27:53.819 --> 00:28:00.420
But this, like, I like, again, the idea that someone who's super

596
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:06.839
stitched up and really kind of proper and stuff like Picard, is

597
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.660
threatened by her.

598
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.220
But there's a kind of, I don't know.

599
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:11.819
I don't know.

600
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:15.480
Well, no, I'm going to go back to Mrs. Troy and Odo again, though

601
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.380
because this story plays out again in the Forsaken, where, you

602
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.140
know, she's like alone at last when they're trapped in the turbo

603
00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:25.259
lift, and she's in his office and how she's always been obsessed

604
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:28.740
with security men and all of this, and she's wearing a glamorous

605
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:31.859
cocktail dresses and coming onto him in extreme ways.

606
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.599
But then it breaks down to being 2 lonely people and it has a

607
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:36.779
point.

608
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.079
It tells us something about the characters. this ain't doing none

609
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:40.380
of that.

610
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.220
No.

611
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.700
And I think that they don't quite know what she's capable of until

612
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:46.319
too short a season.

613
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.559
And then they do, is it Dark Page the following year?

614
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:53.099
Is that not a popular episode, but I think it...

615
00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:55.619
No, it is melodramatic.

616
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.440
It's very sort of, you know, middle of the day soap opera.

617
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.900
But she plays it very well.

618
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

619
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:07.019
And, you know, it's been referenced in in Kurtzman Trek.

620
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.819
It's something that we remember.

621
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.079
That's so a sub-Rosa, remember?

622
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:10.859
Yeah, yeah.

623
00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:12.539
Masks.

624
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.599
There ain't nothing.

625
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.559
They won't cherry pick.

626
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.880
Curs, but...

627
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.400
Outrageous O'Connors been in 2 series now.

628
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.799
Why didn't we get that one?

629
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.799
Honestly, why didn't instituce Terry Hatcher?

630
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:26.579
That is gold.

631
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.720
Oh, he's beautiful, isn't he?

632
00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:29.160
So she is amazing.

633
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:33.059
You can play cheesy sax music.

634
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.299
Actually, I think as like a sex comedy, that works far better than

635
00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:36.480
this.

636
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

637
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:38.819
Yeah.

638
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.099
And so this is the other thing too, isn't it?

639
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.259
This is sexy, sort of.

640
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.519
I mean, it's not sexy in the sense of actually being kind of sexy

641
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:54.299
but it's about sex in a way, in a way that we stop doing once we

642
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:58.619
once series 3 happens and the show gets good and it becomes very

643
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:00.900
kind of sexless.

644
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.240
You know, it's not really a thing anymore.

645
00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:05.819
That's what we call. the Berman effects.

646
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.019
Yeah, yeah.

647
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:07.920
I think that's right.

648
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:11.519
That's why when we leap over to DS9, everyone's at it because

649
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.799
Burma's not involved in that at all. that's right.

650
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.920
And they're kind of flying under the radar. they can do whatever

651
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:17.339
they want.

652
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.420
What is that all about?

653
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.740
What that kind of element of it can be a bit sleazier times.

654
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.640
Yeah.

655
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.039
And it's very apparent in the original series.

656
00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:29.339
And it's certainly apparent when Roddenbury had a bit of creative

657
00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:30.720
control over TNG.

658
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:34.619
Episodes like justice where they go down and there's people being

659
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:39.599
oiled up and snogging and women off to the side and it's all just

660
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.200
very strange.

661
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:43.500
And well, even the naked now, they decided that was the 1st

662
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:48.000
regular episode they wanted to do, was the crew all just get

663
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.460
incredibly horny for no readily apparent reason.

664
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.299
Well, do you remember that Irish episode where she's like, up the

665
00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:54.660
long ladder?

666
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.640
Will you still respect me in the morning?

667
00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:58.799
She's taking her dress off, you know?

668
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:02.940
Yeah, and, you know, like he wants to do a socialist utopia.

669
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.039
And so the idea that we're sort of sexually more liberated than we

670
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.420
were in the 20th century.

671
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.500
You know, that's good.

672
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.940
That would be interesting, but it never really. sort of, it never

673
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:16.259
really comes to that, does it?

674
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:16.980
We don't get.

675
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:22.140
What is interesting is he was happy to feminise men and he was

676
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:27.900
happy to include gay characters and the studios, it just he

677
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:28.380
knew...

678
00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:33.180
Major Barrett says in that interview, he knew what fights. he

679
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:36.839
could pick and what ones he just shouldn't even bother with, you

680
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:37.079
know.

681
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:41.759
And I think there's like TV execs now like Rusty Davis, who people

682
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.259
go, well, why do they make those decisions?

683
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.319
You kind of you're in an environment where it's very controlled.

684
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.980
There are people in high positions that don't want certain things

685
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:54.480
on TV and, you know, like you have to accept what you can get away

686
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.220
with and what you can't.

687
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.119
But I mean, what's happened with Star Trek and sex is that it is

688
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.519
generally behind other shows in its portrayal. you know.

689
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:09.480
Um, and it just tends to be like, like there's something

690
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:14.579
depressingly ungrown up about sex in Voyager.

691
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.960
Like it's miserable, I think.

692
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:21.720
So this scene, I think, could have very nearly been funny, right?

693
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:23.339
So this is the 2 of them.

694
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.359
It's Pulaski and Troy working out what's happening in the

695
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.299
captain's quarters, suggesting that he's being kind of chased

696
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:33.359
around the quarters by a horny Mrs. Troy.

697
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.299
And they both decide, actually, screw it, we're just going to

698
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:36.720
leave him.

699
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:38.279
We're not going to go and rescue him.

700
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:40.920
And because...

701
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.119
The Pulaski that is, all right?

702
00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:46.259
Yeah, but they can't let Deanna be naughty.

703
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.339
You know, and that is a massive shame because.

704
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.220
There should be like the huge sly smiles between them, shouldn't

705
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:53.400
there?

706
00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:54.180
Yeah, you know.

707
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.980
Yeah, but she can't even do that.

708
00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:56.880
Dexterousy is.

709
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:04.500
Okay It was because nobody's really having much fund in this, are

710
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:04.859
they?

711
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.819
When we watched Trouble with Tribbles, everyone was having so much

712
00:33:08.819 --> 00:33:13.140
fun with that story and I was sort of charmingly very relaxed.

713
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.180
But it's written by someone.

714
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.059
That's the problem that this isn't written by anyone.

715
00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:23.339
So the jokes, like the funny lines aren't funny and we're kind of

716
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:28.559
you know, I don't know, begging for scratch. the worst joke was in

717
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.519
this was when she goes up to Wesley and goes, oh, you're really

718
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.960
cute, but you know, a bit too young.

719
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.420
I'm like, what's going on here?

720
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.299
She's literally going around the ship.

722
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:43.859
And because she's an ambassador, They've got to stand there and

723
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:44.940
take a lost it.

724
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.079
It's, honestly.

725
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.460
Surely there's some kind of training for that role, right?

726
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.059
Like some kind of diplomatic training that says you don't beam

727
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:57.420
onto a starship, make an incredibly racist comment and then come

728
00:33:57.420 --> 00:33:58.259
onto the captain.

729
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.859
I think there is something in here. isn't.

730
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:02.519
Yeah, that's her.

731
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.440
Look, Dan is saying, why are you on board?

732
00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:05.819
Why are you here?

733
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.500
You have the phase.

734
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.059
You know what's going on.

735
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.400
So why have you come on board the ship?

736
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.199
Like she tells her off for doing that?

737
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.119
Because it's unprofessional.

738
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:16.380
I don't know.

739
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.139
Mr. one joke is that he drinks everything.

740
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:23.460
Maybe he has one line in the 1st episode where he hands someone

741
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:26.159
the glass and says thanks for the drinks and then goes.

742
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:28.920
And so he has actually said something.

743
00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:30.239
But you know what?

744
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:30.659
don't know.

745
00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:32.760
I feel like we should have had an episode where Mr. Hobb and

746
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.659
Mayhar do.

747
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.480
That's the Grand Nagus, it's big giant stone.

748
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.099
And that's top, is that the same accent?

749
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.300
No, that's tiny Ron, isn't it?

750
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.019
Tiny Ron.

751
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.880
They should have met, you know?

752
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:45.179
Yeah, in a wordless sequence in a bar.

753
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:45.480
Yeah.

754
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.059
Yeah.

755
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.500
Yeah, look, Deanna's just rolling her eyes looking fed up with all

756
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:52.920
of this.

757
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.239
No, that's right.

758
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:58.440
Oh, so this, I think Riker's reaction here is quite funny.

759
00:34:58.500 --> 00:34:58.980
She said what?

760
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.639
She said that you were horny for her, right?

761
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.840
Yeah, so this is we're explaining the phase, and she has told Will

762
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.900
about it when they were in a relationship.

763
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:24.000
Um, And but when he hears exactly how sexually voracious Betazoid

764
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.500
women become at a particular age, it's kind of like there's a

765
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.679
little moment where it's kind of, you like, you sort of smiles to

766
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.159
himself, it's kind of, um, you know, I really checked out of this

767
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.199
relationship a couple of decades too early.

768
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:40.380
You know, I like to imagine that they, she went through the phase

769
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:43.079
you know, she's now old, older.

770
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:44.219
You know, she's an old woman.

771
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.079
Well, we know they're back together again.

772
00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:48.179
They are back together when she is mature.

773
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.619
So he's having a great time in that.

774
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.239
Yeah, we're going to come smiling.

775
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:55.260
Look at, like, he's...

776
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.760
He's properly relaxed, isn't he?

777
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.519
I think he's the humour in this.

778
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, we didn't talk about the beard.

779
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.559
But as well.

780
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.260
Oh, the beard, man, it's a much better look.

781
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.780
Yeah, look at him smiling there.

782
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.260
Look at him.

783
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.139
Yeah.

784
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.619
So he's actually kind of making a joke at the captain's expense

785
00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:18.300
and he's really enjoying himself.

786
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.800
It's almost a shame to cut back to Patrick Stewart with a massive

787
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.699
bug of his butt.

788
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.019
You know, I was thinking, like, they've mastered now, haven't they

789
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.320
the sort of awkward comedy with things like the Office and peep

790
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:31.679
show?

791
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:34.500
When people are in agonising situations and you're kind of

792
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:36.719
watching through your fingers going, oh, God.

793
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:40.559
This is very humourous, though.

794
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.280
I think that that particular type of humour is very English.

795
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.920
And I think, you know, Americans have been exposed to that as

796
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.880
English television has become more of a thing, more global.

797
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:52.079
I don't like it at all.

798
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:57.179
Like, I prefer my comedy to be a bit more crafted and a bit less

799
00:36:57.179 --> 00:37:00.300
oh, my butt cheeks will not uncleenched for half an hour, you

800
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:00.539
know?

801
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.159
I kind of like it.

802
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:07.260
There's a kind of self-hatred in it, which I find very appealing.

803
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.300
You know, you know an Englishman.

804
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.559
You know how that works, all right?

805
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:10.980
Okay.

806
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:15.599
So here we go now into the Dixon Hill program.

807
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.940
And I must say Patrick Stewart looks very dapper.

808
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.420
Yeah, it is in his hand coat.

809
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.280
But these seasons is.

810
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.760
Well, it feels like it's starting to tell a story.

811
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:28.800
He goes in, he gets a case.

812
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.659
He goes to the bar.

813
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:34.800
Let's talk about this villain who's doing the rounds and it

814
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.059
doesn't go anywhere.

815
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.179
But in fact, he actually says, no, I don't want to do a story.

816
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.260
Do you know what I mean?

817
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.960
He just says, I'm he's kind of just hit a hide.

818
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:46.920
And so when a story, he comes in, a story starts happening now.

819
00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:50.820
The guy with the newspaper, he's going to try and kill him or

820
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:53.760
whatever, and that's it.

821
00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:56.400
You know, like he says, no, no, I don't want to do a story.

822
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.599
I just want to go to the bar.

823
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:59.219
I'm going to invite, what's her name?

824
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.320
The secretary.

825
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.639
Yeah, the secretary.

826
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.699
He's going to invite her and Madeline.

827
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.440
And so like, you know, so they all talk with the same accent now

828
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:11.460
do I know, yo?

829
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.099
Yeah, but she's great.

830
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.659
I think she is really good.

831
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:19.079
She looks out of the window in a minute, yeah.

832
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.659
Pump in some dreadful movie footage of the 1950s.

833
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.980
But in a big goodbye.

834
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.000
They actually staged an outside sequence outside. outside the

835
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:30.239
window.

836
00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.340
Yeah, so this is the cheaper version.

837
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:37.920
Well, this this season famously has only one scene of location

838
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.219
footage in the entire... did not know that.

839
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.420
What's that?

840
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.280
It's Picard on his horse.

841
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.039
I can't even remember what episode it is, but he's on his horse.

842
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:51.900
And the rest is all in the studio.

843
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.800
Yeah, yeah.

844
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:53.820
Wowsers.

845
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.880
The series went outside more often than that.

846
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:58.260
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

847
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.199
But basically what you said there about, you know, he says

848
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.380
computer, you know, too much plot. tone it down a bit.

849
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:04.860
Yes, exactly.

850
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.320
That's basically the right of saying, well, we just want to, we

851
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.280
want the atmosphere of this.

852
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:10.440
We want to have some nice sets and things like that.

853
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.639
But we don't want to do anything.

854
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:15.480
We can't go to the trouble of coming up with a story.

855
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.599
And so this is just a series of things that's happening.

856
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:22.739
So is there any way that these 2 stories, these very different

857
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.860
stories could be married successfully?

858
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.179
Well, no, because I just don't think there's anything there.

859
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.460
Like they've got no characteristics.

860
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.000
It is just, like, this scene is just eating up the running time.

861
00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:37.679
What's happening in that scene?

862
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:42.179
Like he goes into the thing, he talks to Madeline for a bit and

863
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:45.119
then he sits down, like, what, what, what's that?

864
00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:48.780
Like, I just can't see, is there's nothing there that that's

865
00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:49.619
contributing to?

866
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.880
The see, the story would be identical, you know, without it, if we

867
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.300
just... in that detail.

868
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.940
When they go to the bar, it's like, well, what's happening here?

869
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.719
What's happening?

870
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:01.860
What are we doing?

871
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:02.159
Okay.

872
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:05.639
I mean, I know you like hang time, but there's got to be some

873
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:06.960
purpose to it, hasn't there?

874
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:09.059
Yeah, God, that's shit, isn't it?

875
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.440
That scene, looking out the window.

876
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:13.440
Oh, she was coming up in a minute.

877
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:17.219
That truly abysmal bit where she goes on the bridge and goes, and

878
00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:21.420
I would like to announce the wedding of myself and Commander Riker

879
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.039
and I'm like, oh, God.

880
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.760
Yeah, yeah.

881
00:40:23.820 --> 00:40:25.260
So she just looks stupid.

882
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.480
Like they make her stupid in this episode.

883
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:32.760
So because she thinks that she's sexually attractive to people, but

884
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:38.820
she's not and, you know, she keeps mistaking their disinterest for

885
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:39.659
interest and stuff.

886
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.400
That just makes her stupid.

887
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:44.219
Like this is an assassination of her character, I think.

888
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.159
Yeah, so right.

889
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.500
And on the 2nd attempt as well.

890
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:50.639
Yeah.

891
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:52.139
Well, the 1st attempt was better.

892
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.380
I think Haven is forgettable and, you know, a fairly nothing

893
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:56.940
episode, but it's a story.

894
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.239
There's actually like a beginning, middle and end.

895
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.940
This is just, you know, how long have we got to go?

896
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.699
You know, like it's...

897
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:06.900
Are you actually asking me that?

898
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.940
Do you know what I mean?

899
00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:11.039
20 minutes, Nathan.

900
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:16.860
We've got 22 hours, 22 hours with commercials to make this year

901
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:19.559
and we're filling it up with things.

902
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.159
Yeah, but there's no stories.

903
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:24.179
Wait a sec.

904
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.079
Look who's here now.

905
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:26.099
Look who's here.

906
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:27.659
Oh, no, someone's coming in.

907
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.219
Oh, it's Robert O'Rrien, isn't it?

908
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:30.599
It is Robert O'Reilly comes in.

909
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:37.139
And even though I didn't initially recognise him in, um, Better

910
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:40.800
Being Better Bang, I absolutely recognise him instantly here as

911
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.699
Scarface.

912
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:42.900
That's the whole thing, you know.

913
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.860
Because he's in these these 2 sort of historical holiday

914
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:47.760
programs.

915
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:55.260
And then in Times Arrow, you get Marco Lemo playing a gambler and

916
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:57.840
that, and that bringing, they like bringing back, well, as actors

917
00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:58.739
they can trust, I guess.

918
00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.820
Yeah, yeah.

919
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:00.900
They take the makeup off.

920
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:01.679
So they're a different person.

921
00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:02.039
Exactly.

922
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.440
Yeah, they may as well, they may be casting someone different.

923
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.820
So this isn't him, is it?

924
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:06.239
Is it?

925
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:06.780
No.

926
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.800
Yeah, this is him.

927
00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:09.659
But I think, you know what?

928
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.000
Yeah, he's just straight away when the shadow comes off and you

929
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:12.480
see his eyes.

930
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:13.320
Yeah, yeah.

931
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:15.300
It's definitely Gowron.

932
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.559
I thought, actually, this is probably the best performance in the

933
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:19.920
whole thing.

934
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:22.500
But I mean, what did he made of?

935
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.199
you know, Oh, yeah, there he is.

936
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:29.579
Oh, my God. the amount of memes there are around Garon's crazy

937
00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:30.059
eyes.

938
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.619
Yes, yeah, yeah.

939
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.119
He's so good.

940
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.800
So wonderful.

941
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.960
You ever had a sip of the famous grouse?

942
00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.059
Whiskey.

943
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.480
Yes.

944
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:41.159
I can't bear whiskey.

945
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.360
But there's a fabulous meme of Gowron going, glory to you and your

946
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:45.840
grouse.

947
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:49.079
So strange.

948
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.340
Yeah.

949
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:51.900
Like, what?

950
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:52.619
What?

951
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.000
What are we doing?

952
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:58.019
We're watching play a video, come in with an enormous machine

953
00:42:58.019 --> 00:42:58.500
gun.

954
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:03.000
Yeah, like that's a like you can see that that's trying to be

955
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.380
funny, right?

956
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.960
He's trying to have a relaxing drawing, to be funny.

957
00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:07.920
Yeah.

958
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.159
So he's trying to have a relaxing time in the holodeck, but

959
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:16.019
because the Dixon Hill program can only do Dixon Hill stories from

960
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:21.659
the shitty detective novels that are made up that it's based on, it

961
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:25.199
only, you know, it just keeps being violent in different ways and

962
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.539
I guess it sort of escalates, but so what?

963
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:35.880
Can I ask why war thinks that these bizarre fish aliens are so

964
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.480
attractive?

965
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:38.940
Because it's funny.

966
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.639
I think it's fucking hilarious.

967
00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:42.300
I'll tell you.

968
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.719
Well, I think that's maybe the funniest thing in the episode.

969
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:49.019
And it reinforces my theory that wharf's always wrong.

970
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.039
Well, do you know what's super interesting about on Star Trek

971
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.280
Project and how we dip about all the series is we've just done 2

972
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.139
comedies back to back?

973
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.480
And one was quite successful.

974
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.760
And this is where it all goes wrong.

975
00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:04.619
This is miserable, isn't it?

976
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.340
Just so bad.

977
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.420
Holy crap.

978
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.940
I mean, this whole secret. this is everything that's wrong with

979
00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.780
this episode, okay?

980
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.940
You got Mrs. Troy being a terrible ambassador.

981
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.039
The appalling fishy aliens.

982
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.139
The terrible sex jokes.

983
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.119
It's a winded scene.

984
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:22.380
See, I still think they look better in source, again, is an

985
00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:27.000
attempt to do that joke again and it's slightly better, but it's

986
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.599
still bad.

987
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:30.179
Like they can't write a funny line.

988
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:35.820
One day you'll be a big strong man, but I can't wait for you to

989
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:36.420
mature.

990
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.000
Why is he saying I'm not a man?

991
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.519
That's the thing too, that we've settled, isn't it?

992
00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:45.900
That any adult male of any of the races is a man.

993
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.940
So Quark is a man, you know, Um, uh, like that, and I like that.

994
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.019
I think that's good.

995
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.320
You know, there's something about, I don't know. anyway.

996
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:59.099
I believe they gave Walters a Sash in series 2 as well, you know.

997
00:44:59.159 --> 00:44:59.880
I was never.

998
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.719
No, he has.

999
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.239
So he wears the red uniform in series one and has a gold sash that

1000
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:10.019
isn't made of metal like this one or doesn't look like it's made

1001
00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:11.940
of metal, but he had the sash from the very beginning.

1002
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.059
I, you know, because I'm so used to seeing him in red in DS9.

1003
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.920
I actually think he looks a bit bare in the red.

1004
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.000
He does.

1005
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:21.840
People complain. gray in mustard yellow, do they?

1006
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:22.320
No.

1007
00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:25.679
With some, I've read people complain that the 2 black actors got

1008
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.300
taken out of the red costume and put in the yellow costume for

1009
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:30.599
series 2.

1010
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:31.679
Was there a reason for that?

1011
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:33.420
No, I don't know.

1012
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.760
I think that they'd established that engineering.

1013
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:39.599
So he becomes head of security, which was Yah's job, and so she

1014
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.820
was wearing mustard.

1015
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:47.340
And, um, you know, he's in majority's in engineering and somehow

1016
00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:48.960
not in this episode, is he?

1017
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.280
He's not in this at all.

1018
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:53.760
No, I think he's referenced because she's off to engineering to

1019
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.980
you know, bore at him a little bit.

1020
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:57.119
Yeah.

1021
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.159
And who wouldn't give up?

1022
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:00.059
No, he's a pretty man.

1023
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:00.539
Yeah.

1024
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.420
Um, Yeah.

1025
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.760
Like, what, like, what's happening now?

1026
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.039
I'm going to X's bar.

1027
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:10.860
We're going to spot, but we have to take a gun because we're in

1028
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:11.699
gangster land.

1029
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.800
So someone could come in there any minute now and blow the reds

1030
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:14.039
off.

1031
00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:18.239
Like, can't he just like conjure up a nightclub from somewhere or

1032
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:18.719
something?

1033
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:19.980
Like, why is he doing it?

1034
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.019
Oh, we did ba bing, ba bang.

1035
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.039
And we were in this period.

1036
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:25.619
I mean, a fabulous heist plot going on.

1037
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.099
Yeah, yeah. tons of energy and genuine jokes.

1038
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.800
And this is so grimy as well.

1039
00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:32.519
Look at this set.

1040
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.980
I suppose it's supposed to be noir-ish, which is why we get the

1041
00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:36.300
shadows of the lights.

1042
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:38.880
I quite like this, actually.

1043
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:40.619
And I quite like the high angle shot.

1044
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.559
There was actually a seconds invention with the direction, you

1045
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:43.800
know?

1046
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:47.579
Because pretty much this is your, the definition of your and shoot

1047
00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:48.659
TNG episode.

1048
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:50.219
Yeah, it really is.

1049
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:55.619
And look how few extras we've got in the bar, like it's a great

1050
00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:59.159
shape. spinning fan there that we're seeing establish it.

1051
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:03.179
Yeah, it really needs to be casting a shadow over people though

1052
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:03.719
doesn't it?

1053
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:06.599
Like, it's not very no-rish in the way it's directed at all.

1054
00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:07.139
I guess.

1055
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:09.539
Well, it's not a bar I'd want to hang out in, if I'm honest.

1056
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:10.619
It's miserable.

1057
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.539
Oh, look, what is all this now?

1058
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:14.519
Where he's trying to explain...

1059
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.159
Yes, but now he's explaining...

1060
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:17.699
Like, why?

1061
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:21.900
Literally, they've got nothing to write about other than just

1062
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:22.440
writing words.

1063
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.420
But isn't this isn't this the thing where like Data was doing this

1064
00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:29.639
when he was cock blocking?

1065
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:31.920
Like, you know, where Picard called him in to do some cock

1066
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.460
blocking in the during the date with Mrs. Troy and he's saying

1067
00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:40.380
boring things and now he's Picard saying boring things to people

1068
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:41.219
who aren't real.

1069
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.760
The trouble with that is, is they realise very early on that

1070
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:45.539
they...

1071
00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:46.619
Is he going to smoke a cigarette?

1072
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:49.320
No, he does hit badly, you know?

1073
00:47:50.099 --> 00:47:55.380
I love gates. in the in the previous years. one where she swallows

1074
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.340
the chewing gum?

1075
00:47:56.460 --> 00:48:00.179
No, the bit where the man gets killed and she don't realise the

1076
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:03.480
safeties are off and she's going, ah.

1077
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:06.300
That is incredibly funny.

1078
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:10.800
Yeah, it works in a way that this doesn't.

1079
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:11.639
No.

1080
00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:14.880
Well, there's no...

1081
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:18.360
It's like, had they done bada, bing, bada, bang the sequel, it

1082
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.820
probably wouldn't have had the same lustre as the 1st one, you

1083
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:21.000
know.

1084
00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:23.219
Well, but it's not that this is a sequel.

1085
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.579
It is explicitly that he's going in here to escape the episode

1086
00:48:26.579 --> 00:48:27.719
that he's in.

1087
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.360
I know how he feels, right?

1088
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:31.440
That's right.

1089
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.179
It's only going to find love staring into your beautiful face that

1090
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:38.699
I can endure this another time.

1091
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.559
Yeah, it's a whole thing, isn't it?

1092
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.760
Like, this is just nothing.

1093
00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:47.940
So what's good in series two, right?

1094
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.960
What do you think is good?

1095
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.440
I think, obviously, a matter of honour, measure of a man.

1096
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.179
Q-hoo.

1097
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.099
They're probably like 3 big ones.

1098
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:57.840
Is schizoid man good?

1099
00:48:57.900 --> 00:48:59.099
I think it's schizoid man.

1100
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.380
Yeah, that's that's kind of scary.

1101
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.380
I quite like penpal, so no, you don't.

1102
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.239
Yeah, I don't mind that.

1103
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:09.420
But I think that that's one where the it is hang time.

1104
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.780
You can see them doing things just to keep the episode on the

1105
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:13.079
air.

1106
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:15.360
Doesn't this season have the one with the packlets?

1107
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:16.860
Yeah.

1108
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.599
Yeah, I quite like that one.

1109
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:19.440
Yeah.

1110
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.900
Oh, no, peak performance is great.

1111
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.500
That's the one where the fella comes on to do the computer game

1112
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:26.940
with the fingers against data.

1113
00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:28.920
Strategy Ma.

1114
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:29.760
Strategma?

1115
00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:31.679
Thank you very much, honestly.

1116
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:34.019
I think they've played that in Kurtzman track.

1117
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.539
They've certainly referenced it.

1118
00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:39.539
Every time you say this, I have no, there's no element of

1119
00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:40.619
surprising me, all right?

1120
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:44.400
It's just like...

1121
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.760
That fabulous thing about pitting Riker against Picard.

1122
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:49.679
Do you remember they're in the 2 different ships?

1123
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:53.280
And then Wesley goes over to get his school project and ends up

1124
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.539
sabotaging the ship or something.

1125
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:57.840
And it's all, it's quite fun, but it's right at the tail end. the

1126
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:59.099
penultimate episode.

1127
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.980
It's where they're starting to get their act together, you know?

1128
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:06.059
But it is also just a bunch of stuff that happens.

1129
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:06.960
Do you know what I mean?

1130
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:09.780
Like there's a bit of jeopardy and things, but it is basically

1131
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:12.239
this is the ship doing business as usual.

1132
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:14.639
They're not solving a space problem or anything.

1133
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:18.480
And I guess the games turn real, like someone turns up who's

1134
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.739
really threatening them or something.

1135
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:20.699
I can't remember now.

1136
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.460
Oh, the problem. question like that.

1137
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.760
Yeah.

1138
00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:24.480
Yeah.

1139
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:26.340
I just opened up, didn't it?

1140
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.199
It's just a car. been a practical effect.

1141
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.239
Oh, possibly.

1142
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:33.900
I just love dynamite, though. you know.

1143
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.239
She was in the original series a couple of times, wasn't she?

1144
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:37.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1145
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:37.500
Yeah.

1146
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:41.340
And she's in, she's in the episode with the Medusin, you know, the

1147
00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:44.579
um, the weird thing in the box that drives you mad if you look at

1148
00:50:44.579 --> 00:50:49.679
it. and 0 from um prodigy is one of those.

1149
00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:51.059
Oh, okay.

1150
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.780
She's also in a fabulous daytime soap, you know, and her exit was

1151
00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:56.579
she gets shoved down a...

1152
00:50:56.699 --> 00:50:58.260
No, that was...

1153
00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.280
That wasn't no.

1154
00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:01.380
Yeah, I remember watching that.

1155
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:03.000
I actually watched all the time.

1156
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:04.380
I never watched LA law.

1157
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:05.880
It was big. everyone was watching it.

1158
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:06.840
I knew it was a thing.

1159
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.699
I knew that she was the sort of bitch character.

1160
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.420
I happened to just be tuned into it for literally no reason at

1161
00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:12.719
all.

1162
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:16.619
Just in time for her to just walk into what she thought was a

1163
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:17.519
waiting lift.

1164
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:20.820
Only the lift wasn't there and she plummeted to her death and it

1165
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:22.019
was the most shocking thing.

1166
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.699
It was pretty amazing.

1167
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.659
It's so funny.

1168
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.880
I mean, I've never seen an episode of that show, but I've seen

1169
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.320
that clip a 100 times.

1170
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:30.599
It was huge. was huge back then.

1171
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:35.460
Yeah, I think there's a, I think there's a problem in general with

1172
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:39.360
how they're portraying women as well in Star Trek at this point.

1173
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:43.619
And I think it's something they managed to turn around in DS9.

1174
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:48.000
Yeah. where they just let them be feminine.

1175
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:51.360
But I think both Dax and Kira are quite masculine as well.

1176
00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:53.219
They're just women.

1177
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.659
Whereas here, like, yeah, no, Troy is, well, what is Troy?

1178
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.119
I mean, well, no, so, yeah.

1179
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:03.599
So the 2 women, the 2 women in the cast are the doctor and the

1180
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.440
counsellor.

1181
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:07.800
So they have professional jobs, but their job is basically looking

1182
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.199
after people in various ways.

1183
00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:11.880
And so it's a traditional.

1184
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:13.139
She's like crusty, isn't she?

1185
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.719
She's a fusty, crusty old woman.

1186
00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:16.440
Yeah, yeah.

1187
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.800
You've got Mrs. Troy in here who's just a massive hornball.

1188
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:24.059
You know. there's no substance to any of them No, no.

1189
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:25.380
And he's Madeline.

1190
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.960
There's more substance to weather.

1191
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:29.280
I was saying, she's not real at all.

1192
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.679
Oh, we're supposed to think this is the...

1193
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:32.940
Oh, that's the joke, is it?

1194
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:34.739
We've gone through this whole rigmarole.

1195
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.539
The big villain of the piece is going to turn up.

1196
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.980
And then it's date, yeah.

1197
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.199
Well, that's just fucking hilarious, isn't it?

1198
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:41.039
Yeah, yeah.

1199
00:52:41.099 --> 00:52:43.739
Although he's doing a little bit of acting there.

1200
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.539
A little bit of Brent acting for a moment.

1201
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.599
Patrick Stewart does look quite hot in that hut, you know.

1202
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:51.900
Yeah, no, he looks good here, I think.

1203
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.420
That's a great outfit, but I mean, what's happening?

1204
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.519
Well, now it's time for him to go.

1205
00:52:56.579 --> 00:52:57.599
This doesn't go anywhere.

1206
00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:01.019
Oh, and is this is where she turns up?

1207
00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:06.539
And basically says to Riker, well, I'm so sorry, but I'm not going

1208
00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:10.739
to marry you now because this man behind the bar is more

1209
00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:11.639
attractive than you.

1210
00:53:11.699 --> 00:53:15.059
And then they had this bizarre conversation where they're sitting

1211
00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:16.139
on like a side table.

1212
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:16.980
Yeah.

1213
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:20.159
And it's like, what do you 2 people possibly have in common?

1214
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.559
He's not even that pretty.

1215
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.480
No, he's all right.

1216
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.440
He's all right.

1217
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:29.400
He's got a moustache.

1218
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.659
Oh, and he doesn't have a last name, and the reason he doesn't

1219
00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:40.199
have a last name is he's never given one in the Dixon Hill novels

1220
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:46.500
and they are kind enough not to spell that out. which I think is

1221
00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:50.159
very restrained because they could have got a good 30 seconds out

1222
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:56.639
of that, you know, if they... eaten a milk tray, chocolate.

1223
00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:57.659
Yeah.

1224
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:58.440
No way.

1225
00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:01.019
Because Mrs. Troy looks very like a milk tray box right now.

1226
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:01.920
Yeah, yeah.

1227
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:04.260
It does look like a confection in that dress.

1228
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.159
It's almost the Cadbury colour too, isn't it?

1229
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:13.920
It's a little bit redder than the Canbury purple. supposed to know

1230
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.519
that Mrs. Troy and the computer voice are the same actress?

1231
00:54:17.579 --> 00:54:18.360
Is this a joke?

1232
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:19.199
An in joke here?

1233
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:21.599
I think it might be.

1234
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:25.320
She calls she calls the computer dear, doesn't she?

1235
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.179
Like, she calls computer deer.

1236
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.300
And she, again, she's a silly old woman who can't work

1237
00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:30.960
technology.

1238
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:32.699
We're all in the 24th century.

1239
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.300
I mean, the holodeck is introduced and no one has seen one before

1240
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:40.380
remembering a encounter at FarPoint. completely new and it has to

1241
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:43.800
be explained to Riker because we need it explained to us.

1242
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:47.400
And so she doesn't know about it.

1243
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:49.619
So it just about passes.

1244
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.980
But again, they're just making her look stupid.

1245
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.659
Like they just like, this is agonising because you see Roy Picard

1246
00:54:57.659 --> 00:54:59.880
sort of turns away like, oh shit, I've been cool.

1247
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:02.639
Oh, I'll just turn around, she might not see me.

1248
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.940
The card looks like a douche as well.

1249
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:06.840
Yeah, yeah.

1250
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:09.000
No one is coming out of this well, are they?

1251
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.980
No, the only person who is, I think, is Jonathan Frakes, who has a

1252
00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:15.780
wry smile on his face the whole time.

1253
00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:16.860
Yeah.

1254
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.840
And is she interested in him because he's a hologram and she can't

1255
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.539
sense anything?

1256
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:25.619
That is what she says.

1257
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.199
It's like, yeah, the most fascinating man I've ever met. you know

1258
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:29.340
I can't read you.

1259
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.960
Yeah, yeah.

1260
00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:31.920
Yes.

1261
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.260
But she is in an entirely new environment.

1262
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.719
Like she must realise this is artificial.

1263
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:40.860
Yeah.

1264
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.300
Yeah, I just don't know what's happening.

1265
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.340
I just, like, what are they doing?

1266
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.099
you have to make for this to make to be credible.

1267
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.500
Yeah, yeah.

1268
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:55.079
Like, oh, I, you know, in a minute when we go to the transporter

1269
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.219
room and she unveils the evil, the evil plot of the fish people.

1270
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.619
But who have only said one thing.

1271
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.679
Haven't they just said food, like they've said food and they've

1272
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.460
they've shovelled food into their mouths. and that's it.

1273
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.539
That's all they've done.

1274
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.539
And so like what is that?

1275
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.199
Like she saves the day, because they were going to blow up the

1276
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:16.679
conference.

1277
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:21.780
Remember when the twist in second skin here, and that whole

1278
00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:25.920
episode had been crafted and full of misdirection.

1279
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:27.000
Yeah.

1280
00:56:27.059 --> 00:56:27.719
Yeah.

1281
00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:30.239
Well, I mean, they kind of, this is how our twist doesn't work.

1282
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.179
Yeah, we need to do something with the delegates.

1283
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.300
They're just here to because they're weird ass aliens and that's

1284
00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:40.559
really the only role they play is to be weird looking aliens so

1285
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.920
that people can be weirdly racist towards them except Worf, who

1286
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.880
isn't racist.

1287
00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:46.380
Apparently.

1288
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.960
And then, like what?

1289
00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:50.820
Then they do the weird eating thing.

1290
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.320
Like, they're not fun to look at.

1291
00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:53.699
They're not impressive.

1292
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:54.000
Look at that.

1293
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.219
Yeah, look at this.

1294
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.500
This, this, this is embarrassing.

1295
00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.340
What the hell?

1296
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.559
They just woke up.

1297
00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:03.300
Yeah, yeah, they want breakfast.

1298
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.559
We started recording. while Ron was on the stairs doing

1299
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.019
impressions of them, jiggling about.

1300
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:11.699
Oh, God.

1301
00:57:11.699 --> 00:57:16.559
Yeah, you know, that funny episode that we've written, you know

1302
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.539
the one where Mrs. Troy is trying to fuck everyone.

1303
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.000
And Picard's trying to hide away.

1304
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:22.500
What it needs is a B plot about fish.

1305
00:57:22.619 --> 00:57:29.880
Disgusting. guzzling fish down their throats. like what the fuck?

1306
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.860
I do wonder if the entire show was just woefully misconceived at

1307
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:35.460
this point.

1308
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.039
Yeah, no, it's so shit.

1309
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:42.000
But it just goes to show, you know, just how important actual

1310
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.440
writers are because the writers go on strike and the television

1311
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.380
that gets put out is absolutely unwatchable.

1312
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:55.920
This is a good argument here for why Michael Pillow was absolutely

1313
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.519
essential to the Star Trek franchise in the 90s.

1314
00:57:59.579 --> 00:58:01.800
They should all have been paid more.

1315
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:06.840
Like, do you remember the Mrs. Troy episode, the next Mrs. Troy

1316
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.280
episode, Menage Troy.

1317
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.340
And it ain't great. better than this.

1318
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:12.960
Oh, got it.

1319
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.420
Because it's stored at this.

1320
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.360
Okay. and there's a there is a proper character for it about

1321
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.219
Deanna and her mother.

1322
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.139
And they're on that planet.

1323
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.099
I think, is it Risa?

1324
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.719
It's beautiful occasion.

1325
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:29.099
And there's a real relaxed chemistry between the 2 actresses and

1326
00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:30.480
there's some character work going on.

1327
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:31.739
Yeah, yeah.

1328
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:34.860
And there's sort of jeopardy and stuff and like it resolves itself

1329
00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:38.159
in a stupid way that is nowhere near as funny as it thinks it is.

1330
00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:42.239
And in fact, I think Stuart's a little bit embarrassing in that

1331
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:43.199
final scene.

1332
00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:51.420
But because it's a story, then, you know, it's absolutely streets

1333
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:56.820
ahead of this, I literally could not believe, you know, we

1334
00:58:56.820 --> 00:58:58.019
selected this episode, yeah.

1335
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.440
And then my honour goes, well, I'm going to watch this one with

1336
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:01.619
you.

1337
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.380
This is the one I'm choosing to watch with you.

1338
00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:10.440
You said he had a one word summary, a one word review of the

1339
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.059
episode.

1340
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.579
Yeah, he looked at me very thoughtfully and he just said

1341
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:16.199
pointless.

1342
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:17.820
Yeah, well, that's it.

1343
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.960
No, that's exactly the point.

1344
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:19.559
That's it.

1345
00:59:19.619 --> 00:59:20.400
It's pointless.

1346
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.639
More sadly, you know, did we go through all of this for?

1347
00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:25.860
What did we go through this for?

1348
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.699
Did we learn?

1349
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.699
And he goes, there wasn't any story to it.

1350
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.099
That's exactly the problem.

1351
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:33.599
There's plot.

1352
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.980
There's incident.

1353
00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:38.940
Things happen, but there's no story, and none of the things that

1354
00:59:38.940 --> 00:59:40.500
happen are particularly entertaining.

1355
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.679
Like he's skulking in a bar to escape her.

1356
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:47.219
She's embarrassing herself in front of everyone.

1357
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.820
The fish people are like, what?

1358
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.619
You know, like what even are they?

1359
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.300
It's dreadful.

1360
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.760
Do you remember what we did looking for Pamok in all the wrong

1361
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:57.119
places?

1362
00:59:57.179 --> 01:00:00.119
That was a sex comedy which was just hanging about, wasn't it?

1363
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1364
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:02.159
Yeah.

1365
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:06.119
But again, like there were plots, weren't there?

1366
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:11.699
And there were like 3 arcs or something going on and they resolved

1367
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:12.300
themselves.

1368
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.800
They did things, the scenes contributed to an arc.

1369
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:19.679
They all resolved themselves in the infirmary when everyone had

1370
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:20.099
been fucking.

1371
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:25.559
Thank God, it's over, Nathan.

1372
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:26.820
Oh, that was really miserable.

1373
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.900
So, you know, things like this, things like the royale, you know

1374
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:36.360
like, like this season is just full of this sort of shit.

1375
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:41.699
And it fails in a much worse way, I think, than series one.

1376
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.360
There's, I would sooner watch, God help me, code of, maybe not

1377
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.139
code of honour.

1378
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:53.099
I would soon watch Angel One or Lonely Among Us or, you know

1379
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:53.699
like...

1380
01:00:53.699 --> 01:00:54.719
Do you remember Angel One?

1381
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.480
I mean, Rocker's wearing that tin foil and all his airy chests

1382
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:57.719
out.

1383
01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:00.179
Yeah, that was a formative moment actually for me.

1384
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:04.320
That's where I questioned him as an ambassador, being straight

1385
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.260
down star planet, and so I was fucking the leader immediately.

1386
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:08.219
Yeah, yeah.

1387
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:10.500
There's a lot of sex going on, you know.

1388
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:11.400
Honestly, isn't there?

1389
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:12.300
Yeah, TNG.

1390
01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:13.739
Well, that's all right.

1391
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:15.119
I don't check.

1392
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:18.360
I quite like sex, but I don't like...

1393
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:21.059
It's funny how unremarkable it is later.

1394
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.260
You know, when Captain Locker is having sex with that fantastic

1395
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:31.679
admiral in series one of, um, you know, she's so great and uh, like

1396
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:33.239
they have a proper relationship.

1397
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:37.260
No, even better when they go to the alternative universe, and I'm

1398
01:01:37.260 --> 01:01:39.480
perfectly convinced that it's your show is just having sex with

1399
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:39.780
everybody.

1400
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.360
Yeah, that Lord Ealing.

1401
01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:43.980
I mean look at her.

1402
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:44.699
Honestly.

1403
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.800
You would, wouldn't you?

1404
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:47.639
You do as you're told.

1405
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1406
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.760
Yeah, no, yeah, that's Michelle.

1407
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:53.340
Yeah, no, that was dreadful.

1408
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.300
And I think that that's probably the worst that we've ever seen.

1409
01:01:57.300 --> 01:02:01.800
And it, you know, Shades of Grey is clearly what, the worst piece

1410
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:04.559
of television the franchise is ever produced.

1411
01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:07.380
But this has to be close, I think.

1412
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:09.179
I agree.

1413
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.280
I think this is very, very boring.

1414
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.659
And do you know what, for once?

1415
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.840
I often think when we watch episodes that are not great.

1416
01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:21.300
You can like sit back and go, okay, with some tweaks, and with a

1417
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:25.320
bit of skill, I'm not sure how you could make this work at all.

1418
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.280
No.

1419
01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:30.719
No, you would have to introduce a story at some point.

1420
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.519
It would have to be a...

1421
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:34.199
You'd think that was a given, wouldn't you?

1422
01:02:34.260 --> 01:02:36.179
Yeah, you would.

1423
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.719
You would think that just having people do things for 45 minutes

1424
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.519
and then running the closing credits.

1425
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:45.539
That's not your job finished, you know, like that's not what

1426
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:47.039
you're here to do.

1427
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:51.300
And even sub rows are, you know, which has massive lapses of taste

1428
01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:53.039
and all sorts of weird shit going on.

1429
01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:56.820
That was so much more enjoyable to watch, even though it is kind

1430
01:02:56.820 --> 01:03:02.639
of a fiasco, um, because there's fun, interesting things

1431
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:03.179
happening.

1432
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.039
Paracic fiasco.

1433
01:03:05.099 --> 01:03:09.239
It's amazing. my respect for sub-rosa after watching this.

1434
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.239
Well, I've got some good news for you.

1435
01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:13.320
What's that?

1436
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.280
I think it's going to be a long time before we see anything as

1437
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:18.480
dreary as that again.

1438
01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:22.679
Yeah, yeah, it'll be, uh, it'll be shades of gray next week.

1439
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:23.760
Spirit folk.

1440
01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:36.300
All right, it's a very special time of the episode, and it's a

1441
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:41.039
very special time of the year because we are choosing what we're

1442
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.440
going to watch this Christmas.

1443
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:49.139
It's a very Star Trek Christmas this year, and Joe, tell us what

1444
01:03:49.139 --> 01:03:50.940
sort of thing we're choosing.

1445
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:56.519
The only part of the franchise that we've not touched upon at all

1446
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:01.500
which is the fabulous run of Star Trek movies.

1447
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:02.519
Yeah.

1448
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:03.179
Yeah.

1449
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:03.840
Yep.

1450
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:03.960
Yep.

1451
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:06.000
This is going to be really something. been waiting for this.

1452
01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:09.119
I been waiting for Christmas to come around so we can finally do a

1453
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:09.300
movie.

1454
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.639
And, you know, like even the bad ones.

1455
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:14.280
Like, I'm prepared for it to be one of the bad ones and

1456
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.760
statistically, we've got a fairly good chance of landing a bad one

1457
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.039
because they're quite a few bad ones.

1458
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:24.000
But, you know, I have such fond memories of these.

1459
01:04:24.059 --> 01:04:28.019
I don't think, I think maybe the 1st one that I ever saw in the

1460
01:04:28.019 --> 01:04:34.199
cinema was 6 and that would have come out like on Boxing Day and

1461
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.320
like I just, that's a high bar, you know, 6.

1462
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:41.340
Yes, it's really... these movies to all be fantastic.

1463
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:42.900
That's right.

1464
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.119
But there are some really great ones in there.

1465
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:49.260
And even some of the ones that are less highly regarded have

1466
01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:51.179
positive qualities.

1467
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:55.260
And we're choosing from the 3 kind of phases, aren't we?

1468
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.880
So the original series movies, you know, one to six, the next

1469
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:02.340
generation ones, which are mostly terrible.

1470
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:07.139
And then the 3 JJ Abrams, you know, the new ones.

1471
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:11.099
And I think all of them have, you know, good things to say about

1472
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:14.639
them and all of them are fun to different sort of degrees.

1473
01:05:14.699 --> 01:05:19.739
Even something as miserable as Star Trek Nemesis has got that

1474
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:24.539
incredible cinematic sequence at the end where the 2 ships

1475
01:05:24.539 --> 01:05:25.019
collide.

1476
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:26.400
Yeah, yeah.

1477
01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:31.440
I mean, I am thrilled that it's me that gets to press the button

1478
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:32.400
on the 1st movie.

1479
01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:33.119
Okay.

1480
01:05:33.179 --> 01:05:34.139
All right. press it.

1481
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.179
Oh my god.

1482
01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:39.239
It's Star Trek 5.

1483
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:40.800
No, it's not.

1484
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:41.880
It's into Darkness.

1485
01:05:41.940 --> 01:05:43.139
No.

1486
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:47.579
It's insurrection. right back to the beginning.

1487
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:52.019
Oh, it's Star Trek the motionless picture. motionless.

1488
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:52.619
Yeah.

1489
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.559
There is motion.

1490
01:05:55.619 --> 01:05:56.340
It's just very slow.

1491
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:02.280
I actually haven't seen the new the new director's cut, the new

1492
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.440
one that they did for the anniversary.

1493
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.139
We could maybe watch that.

1494
01:06:08.219 --> 01:06:10.800
No, you want to press the button again.

1495
01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:12.719
Oh, I already have, I'm afraid.

1496
01:06:12.780 --> 01:06:13.320
Okay.

1497
01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:14.159
Oh, so sorry.

1498
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.820
No, no, like, I only watched a motion picture for the 1st time

1499
01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:20.639
this year is the only Starship movie I hadn't seen.

1500
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.559
I went to my explicit orders because I had a secret plan for you

1501
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:31.679
to watch it for the 1st time while we were recording. deviant

1502
01:06:31.739 --> 01:06:32.159
why.

1503
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.619
Our friend was desperate.

1504
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:35.219
He was lonely.

1505
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:36.719
He wanted to watch a Star Trek movie.

1506
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:39.059
And I did think it was visually.

1507
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.280
It was pretty stunning.

1508
01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:44.519
Narratively, it was a bit turgid, but...

1509
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:48.539
Yeah, so, you know, it's like 2 original Star Trek episodes sort

1510
01:06:48.539 --> 01:06:49.440
of roll together.

1511
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:53.280
We've kind of got, you know, the changeling and we've got, I can't

1512
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.239
remember what else, but, you know, it's very period as well and it

1513
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.900
is trying to do 2001, isn't it?

1514
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.179
Which is, you know, a few years earlier.

1515
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:09.179
And so it is slow and stately and it is massively proud of the new

1516
01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:12.239
special effects that they have available and stuff like that.

1517
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.579
I you know, I think there's a lot going for it.

1518
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:18.300
Absolutely, we'll get to the motion picture, but I think we should

1519
01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:21.059
start with something... a bit...

1520
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.940
Well, yeah, a bit pacier and Okay, so what have you rolled?

1521
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:25.260
A bit less cerebral.

1522
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:28.380
Well, and I kind of want to do this as well, because I think it is

1523
01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:30.000
a spectacular failure.

1524
01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:35.460
Um, It is both spectacular and a failure.

1525
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:36.480
Is it five?

1526
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.039
It's not.

1527
01:07:38.099 --> 01:07:39.659
It's generations.

1528
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.500
Oh God, it's terrible, isn't it?

1529
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.559
visually. visually.

1530
01:07:46.619 --> 01:07:48.239
It's David Carson who did emissary.

1531
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.179
I don't know what else he did now.

1532
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:52.079
He did a couple of other.

1533
01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:54.360
Did he do Encounter at FarQ?

1534
01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:56.340
No, no, no, no, no.

1535
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:01.320
But it's, you know, Next Generation is finally lit or lit well.

1536
01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1537
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.800
And obviously it's got Shatner in there as well.

1538
01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:08.280
And some other characters and I don't know.

1539
01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:10.380
I think that's quite an interesting place to start.

1540
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:12.119
It's a terrible movie, but...

1541
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:15.539
Yeah, well, that'd be good because, you know, we've, we've been

1542
01:08:15.539 --> 01:08:20.760
watching original Trek and 90s Trek and and Kurtzman Trek and this

1543
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.640
one at least bridges the gap between 2 of them.

1544
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:28.920
And it is, it's not the 1st Star Trek film to be born into a world

1545
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:34.859
where Star Trek the Next Generation exists because I think 5 and 6

1546
01:08:34.859 --> 01:08:41.399
I think 5 coincides with series 2, am I right?

1547
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:43.800
And yeah, there's 2 of Next Generation.

1548
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:48.060
But it is, you know, post Star Trek, the Next Generation Star

1549
01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:48.420
Trek.

1550
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:50.640
I can see why it'd be interesting to do.

1551
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:51.779
Also as well.

1552
01:08:51.899 --> 01:08:57.779
You know, it is a meeting of 2 greats from 90s Trek, who never

1553
01:08:57.779 --> 01:09:02.159
worked together beyond the movies, aside from a couple of episodes

1554
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:07.680
of Voyager, and that is Ronald D. Moore, from DS9 and TNG, and

1555
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.979
Brannan Bragger, from Voyager and Enterprise.

1556
01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:15.180
And it's worth talking about those 2 working together because they

1557
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:19.319
do a couple of movies and then they have a spectacular fallout.

1558
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.039
Right.

1559
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:23.340
And I just think the 2 of them are working in different directions

1560
01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:25.739
and that's what's wrong with generations.

1561
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.880
I think what's wrong with generations is I don't give a shit about

1562
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.460
the people of Veridian 3 in the film.

1563
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:36.119
Gives me no reason to give a shit about them.

1564
01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:40.380
Agonising secrets where Picard breaks down over his family who

1565
01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:41.819
have been killed off screen.

1566
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:42.960
So bad.

1567
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.680
But it does have the amazing sequence where the enterprise crashes

1568
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:47.819
with Troy at the helm.

1569
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

1570
01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:51.539
Yeah, I think it's, yeah, yeah.

1571
01:09:51.539 --> 01:09:55.619
As many, many jokes about the women drivers, you know?

1572
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.579
That's a bit unfortunate. at least there's no jokes about fur

1573
01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:00.119
boobs.

1574
01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:02.399
No, they will come.

1575
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.920
All right, that's going to be great.

1576
01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:06.420
Merry Christmas, everyone.

1577
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.220
It's Star Trek generations.

1578
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:09.779
Oh, let's do it.

1579
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.920
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project.

1580
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:21.600
Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1581
01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:24.659
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1582
01:10:24.659 --> 01:10:27.000
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1583
01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:30.960
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the themes composed by

1584
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:31.979
Cameron Lamb.

1585
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.819
This episode was recorded on the 5th of December 2022 and released

1586
01:10:35.819 --> 01:10:37.319
on the 16th of December.

1587
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:41.579
We will see you next time for our 1st Star Trek movie, Star Trek

1588
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:42.239
generations.

1589
01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:04.560
Okay.

1590
01:11:04.619 --> 01:11:05.220
Briiant.

1591
01:11:05.220 --> 01:11:05.939
What a choice.

1592
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.260
That's awesome.

1593
01:11:07.979 --> 01:11:09.539
Wow.

1594
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:11.579
I mean, it is terrible.

1595
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:12.359
It's quite fun.

1596
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.680
Yeah, it is kind of terrible.

1597
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:17.159
I remember my father watched it and he said, and then suddenly

1598
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.520
they're on a boat and I don't know why and what's going on, you

1599
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:21.960
know, like...

1600
01:11:22.020 --> 01:11:22.979
Yeah.

1601
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:24.239
I've got a feeling.

1602
01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:27.239
I think that's Mark's favourite, you know.

1603
01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:29.939
Of all the Star Trek movies.

1604
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:30.779
Wow.

1605
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.800
Then, you know, he absolutely, his favourite doctor was the annual

1606
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:35.880
evasion, like, you know.

1607
01:11:35.939 --> 01:11:37.439
Yeah, fair enough.

1608
01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:40.020
I like, what do I like?

1609
01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:43.979
I like Star Trek.

1610
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:45.119
Beyond.

1611
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.319
I like Such a Beyond. very like an original series.

1612
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.180
Yeah, episode.

1613
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:52.920
It gives everyone time to do something.

1614
01:11:52.979 --> 01:11:55.199
Yeah, just split.

1615
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:56.520
No.

1616
01:11:56.579 --> 01:12:00.420
The Anton Elchin died and kind of sound the whole thing.

1617
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:02.039
They keep saying they're good, didn't they?

1618
01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:03.899
Yeah, but I don't think they will.

1619
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.659
I mean, I don't think Star Trek is actually a movie franchise

1620
01:12:06.659 --> 01:12:07.199
anyway.

1621
01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:08.340
I think it's a...

1622
01:12:08.340 --> 01:12:09.899
I think the TNG movies prove that.

1623
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:10.920
Yeah, yeah.

1624
01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:12.000
But it's got to be...

1625
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:12.899
Set pisses were bigger.

1626
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:17.220
But it was insurrection is still just a 2 part next generation

1627
01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:17.579
story.

1628
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.279
Yeah, yeah. like gambit or something.

1629
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:23.520
I mean, that's half the problem is they bring in the TV writers to

1630
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:24.119
write those movies.

1631
01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:25.079
Yeah.

1632
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:25.920
Yeah.

1633
01:12:25.979 --> 01:12:27.720
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

1634
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:29.939
In fact, there's loads to talk about with generations, isn't it?

1635
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:30.659
Absolutely.

1636
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.079
Passing the torch on, you know, the little cameos, the ones that

1637
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:34.619
didn't make it.

1638
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.760
Yep, yeah.

1639
01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:37.739
I think Wesley was more, wasn't he?

1640
01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:39.960
Ah, was he?

1641
01:12:40.020 --> 01:12:40.979
Yeah, I think so.

1642
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.140
I bet the memory Apple page is enormous.

1643
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:43.739
Yeah.

1644
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.579
Do you remember the, you might not have seen it in lower decks.

1645
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:48.479
Oh, yeah, you have.

1646
01:12:48.539 --> 01:12:53.220
You know, um, crisis point, the, the movie that Mariner makes in

1647
01:12:53.220 --> 01:12:53.640
the holiday.

1648
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:59.340
Yeah, there's that long sequence where they're in the shuttle

1649
01:12:59.340 --> 01:13:02.939
going around and around the Cerritos, which is, you know, just

1650
01:13:02.939 --> 01:13:06.720
goes on forever and the music comes in and it's just...

1651
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:07.979
I wonder what they're referencing, man.

1652
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:09.899
Yeah, the motion picture.

1653
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:10.979
It's so cool.

1654
01:13:11.939 --> 01:13:12.359
Jesus.

1655
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:16.079
I can't believe I get like Malcolm McDowell is a brilliant actor.

1656
01:13:16.140 --> 01:13:18.659
And he's so lost in that role.

1657
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:19.920
He don't know what he's doing.

1658
01:13:19.979 --> 01:13:22.020
He's on that mountain with that rocket.

1659
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:24.180
The plastic rocket.

1660
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:26.220
Oh, he's related, isn't he?

1661
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.439
Acidic Elpha deal. he?

1662
01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:30.000
Yeah, city girl for deal.

1663
01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:30.899
I think he is his nephew.

1664
01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:32.699
Seriously.

1665
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.359
Yeah, they have Christmas together. makes some references about it

1666
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:37.319
in interviews and things.

1667
01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:38.340
Holy shit.

1668
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.500
That's amazing.