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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is a little bit of a historical moment, well, a historical moment.

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I'm not quite sure which, because there are now, what, over 800 episodes of Star Trek, right?

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That is terrifying.

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We've got to get through them all.

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We do, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I'll be long dead.

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But, um, this is actually the 3rd one, to be made.

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So, like you have the cage, like the original pilot that doesn't air until much later and is sort of chopped up to create the menagerie part one and two.

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And then you have where no man has gone before, which is the 2nd pilot, which isn't the 1st episode to air.

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And then this one is the 3rd one ever made.

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And this is kind of where it all starts to cohere into the series that kind of continues from this point on.

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However, it's very confusing because you said to me the other day, yes, this is the, you know, this is the 3rd episode, how exciting.

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And then I'm looking for it on next, and it's like episode 10.

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Yeah, of which after painstaking research that took me many, many days, I discovered that this was May 3rd, it was aired 10th because there was extensive effects work, and I watched the version on Netflix with new effects, but I've seen the version of the old effects, and for the time they're extraordinary.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about that because I think that's actually a super interesting topic of conversation.

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I have to say just going in, spoilers, that I really enjoyed this.

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I do think it's paced very slow and perhaps slower.

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I mean, I think even than other Star Trek, the original series episodes.

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The thing that, now, we have a love of random trek by Scott McNulty, and we will continue to mention this man's name until he invites us on.

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Sorry, Scott.

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I hope you're listening to this.

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If not, I'm going to act you.

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But he, like, he makes a really good point that at 50 minutes, pretty much every single original series episode, is about 10 minutes too long. and there is some flab.

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I'd say this is about 20 minutes too long.

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Like there's a lot of and there's a lot of deliberate doing nothing because they can't do anything.

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That's the point.

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But after like 50 minutes of that, you're like, okay, well, yeah, we need to bloody do something now, you know.

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Well, I mean, the episode that we watched last time was 55 minutes long, which was the Discovery episode because it's on a streaming service and so it can be as long or as short as it likes.

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And of course, that's the thing, and it's a thing that I always think the advantage that discovery has over other treks is that we've got better at making television and we've got better at consuming it.

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And so there are all sorts of things available to discovery that just aren't available to the original series.

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But you and I have a long history of watching incredibly cheap vintage television as Doctor Who fans.

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And this is more colourful and visually more impressive, generally speaking than what Doctor Who was doing at the same time.

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Well, it's very strange, you know, because I think you're right in what you say there, and clearly they've got more money.

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It's all on film.

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It is more expensively made.

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I don't think it's anywhere near as atmospheric as the best of black and white Doctor Who, which was coming out concurrently.

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Um, So I think, I think there is absolutely something to that Black Knight era of Doctor Who.

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That Star Trek doesn't have it.

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What they have here is the ability to kind of wow the audience with set pieces and things like that, which, you know, I don't think there's intervenience science fiction.

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There was nothing in science fiction doing that at all, was there, at the time, you know?

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So I said to you this morning, going into this, I could see absolutely why this captured people.

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Yeah, and that was my overwhelming feeling as well.

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Uh, My husband's been watching Young Sheldon, which is sort of very gentle and, uh, you know, not great, but not at all terrible uh, American, sort of dramity, I guess.

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And just seeing Little Sheldon watch Star Trek sort of very early on knowing how obsessed he would become with it.

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And this reminded me of that.

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I could just imagine 10 year olds, 12 year olds, whatever watching this and just ending up with a lifelong love of this show.

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So it's a tiny bit ropey in all sorts of ways, but it's absolutely great.

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It is.

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It's original, like, especially with modern day reading, it is troubling in so many ways.

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Oh, we'll get there too.

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But like my mum was one of those.

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My mum was young children, you know, and she said, and this was kind of, this was rerun a few times and she washed it through every single time was absolutely, she used to go around her, her little mate's house and they used to sit there and watch it on a black and white TV so they weren't singing it in like full technicolour.

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But it absolutely, it captured her, absolutely captured that.

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And she was straight there for Next Generation because she had that memory of that love of Star Trek when she was younger.

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Yeah.

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By the way, we have managed to talk for 10 minutes and not mention the episode that we were actually talking about.

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Well, it's in everyone's podcatcher.

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So it's the Corbamite maneuver.

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And it was 1st broadcast.

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I have the date right here on the 10th of November 1966.

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Do you know, as soon as I hear, the court might maneuver.

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There's only one thing, I think, about.

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What's that?

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Clint Howard.

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No. da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

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Oh, my word, the score.

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The music is so good.

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It's so great.

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Compared to what we mostly get on 90s trek, this music is really, really trivic.

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And a bit cheesy as well.

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I'm completely ready to skip into the Corp might maneuver reviewer.

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Yep, absolutely.

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All right.

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I've got it queued up.

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So I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Let's go.

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So what do you think of the new effects?

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So we can see the enterprise here.

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This is like the 1st shot, I think, from the pilot.

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Yeah, I think they are very...

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Oh, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm going to ignore your question immediately.

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And just talk about that incredible camera angle there that shoots up into the ceiling and down into the panel.

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And I know I know you...

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You complain when they do this on discovery.

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I complain when they start running around people in discovery in circles constantly.

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And I'm taking, you know, giddy sickness tablets.

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But that's just that's just a visually striking way of setting a scene because now the cameras are quite, you know, state.

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The new effects.

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I think they are very, very good and they don't go too far, i.e. they don't try and make it, um, too out of what they possibly could have achieved at the time if they had the techniques.

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Um, so it's there are similar effects.

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They just look cleaner and then they just look more stylish.

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Yeah, yeah. they're sort of sympathetic, I think.

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My, my kind of feeling is, you know, this is important TV and it would be a bad thing if we couldn't watch the original version, but it's not Shakespeare.

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And if we if we can do something to keep it alive, you know, to keep future generations watching it.

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Because my memory of it when I was a kid was that some of the episodes were in a pretty bad state and you would put them on and they were, they just looked shockingly bad.

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And so this remaster with these new effects, I think, has increased, you know, the lifespan of this show.

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The 1st time I saw the original series cleaned up was DS9's trials and tribulations, and I was like, my God, this looks so good.

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They cleaned up the original series episodes, it would look really striking and it does.

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I've got a question for you straight off the bat.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think I had this really strong impression watching this of people at work in space, yeah?

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Now, in 90s trek, I feel like we, you know, it's, it's a very kind of frenzy.

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It's like a group of people that love, you know, get on and then just hang out on the bridge and have adventures.

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This just felt like these people were genuinely doing like a 9 to five, but in space.

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I kind of like that, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think that's kind of the premise.

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All right, here we go.

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This is the 1st time that we get these titles with Kirk's Space the Final Frontiers Space.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's one of many firsts in this. but yeah.

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It's definitely the 1st time that happens.

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And, you know, that's iconic, right?

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Picard, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They do it in the films over and over again.

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Wasn't there a discovery episode where they did a TOS sequel which had a voiceover at the beginning.

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Oh, I can't remember now.

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Oh, shame on you, Nathan.

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Honestly, no.

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I know.

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Why am I not rewatching that?

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rely on you for this information, you know.

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Because they do end up going to Psi 2000 or whatever the, the, um, planet from the cage.

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I can't remember if it's that.

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Oh, that was a, that was fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, so I think, you know, the revolving cube in a way, which is casting light on the Enterprise here in this updated effect shot, is just terribly striking an interesting.

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It's a surprising visual.

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You know, it's not a spaceship.

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And maybe they, oh, Christ, Kirk Scottish shirt off.

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Yeah, no, he gets his shirt off, right?

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And he walks all the way through the corridors.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, onto the fridge.

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I mean, he doesn't make it to the bridge. is already meteoric at this point.

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He's like, no, I've been working out. going to show it off, all right?

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Do you think that cube is a precursor?

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Like, I got very strong.

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Borg vibes because they say at one point we can't outrun it.

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We can't do it. and these are exact lines that Q says to Picard in Q Hu about the ball cube when it 1st appears.

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Yeah, except that what's striking about that.

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Like, it's like they're, they're being chased by these sort of geometric solids, you know, they're not comprehensible.

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The Borg cube has, you know, pipes and wires and lights and they go over to the cube, don't they?

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And, you know, there's the baby in the incapator and clearly terrible things are happening.

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Like, it's, it's bad.

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Whereas this is very benign.

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But that's kind of interesting as well.

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How do we feel about Kirk here with his shirt off?

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No objections, really?

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I'm more concerned about the heavy makeup he's got in his face, if I'm honest.

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No, that's true.

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I mean, anyone who looked like him who got their shirt off on a TV show now would be immediately hauled off to prison probably, or fat camp, but he, I think he looks pretty good.

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And...

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I mean, I like a man with a little bit of a time in my monitor beer, you know, insecurities and all that.

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Look how busy these corridors are.

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I mean, what is that man doing feeling the wall at the back?

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Did you see him?

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Look at him just walking through with his shirt draped over his shoulders showing everyone his stomach.

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I've got to say, though, this is why this is why it's so much cooler than Picard, all right?

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Carl would never walk around with his hairy white chest out, would he?

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Well, do you remember when Picard, is it in Starship Mine?

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Or in 1st contact where he gets his shirt off and he's been working out.

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Captain's Holiday. draped in this, like, shawl with his chest out the whole...

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Oh, man.

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Now this character here, Bailey.

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Okay.

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Really, really interesting because he's like the Reg Barclay of the original series.

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I know we don't see him again after this, but it's the same sort of it.

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We don't often get characters like this that are struggling.

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Like regular Star Trek characters that are struggling to perform within the Star Trek universe.

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I really liked this angle in this episode.

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Yeah, I did too.

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And it's, like, it's not terrifically strong character work, but it is like, it is interesting and particularly, I like the contrast between him and Spock.

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You know, we had that little bit of banter between him and Spock where Spock kind of completely cuts him dead.

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But I also like, um, there's the whole idea of Kirk and McCoy talking about him. and that Kirk's pushing him too hard. because he wants to see what he's made out of and he pushes him so hard that later on.

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He has a complete meltdown on the bridge, you know, of very dramatic proportions.

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Yeah, it's super interesting too, because it gives Kirk some, there, there's your steady cam, uh, uh, camera into the bridge.

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Yeah, it's really impressive.

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Here's our 1st Uhura moment.

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Can I just say, like, this is a bit of a cliche to say this, but Michelle Nichols is so beautiful.

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Isn't she?

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And you know what?

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And I don't ever want to take away the importance of having a person of colour in an important role set in the future. you know, like, um, the, the, Whoopi Goldberg is also young Sheldon in this as well, watching this, and, and, and it pushes her in a new direction in her life because this was so eye-opening.

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She says she was sitting there and screaming out to her mum, mum, mum, there's a black woman on the TV, you know, and she's not a maid.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is pretty great.

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I mean, you know, Star Trek has always sort of tried to have diverse casts, I think.

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And this, you know, because you've got Sulu here as well.

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Um, and and there are sort of black extras in uniforms sort of wandering around and stuff and, you know, next season we get check off to kind of indicate.

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Chekhov's like the wharf of TOS because it's like we've had this war and now it's over and he's one of us.

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You know, all of that stuff is particularly great, I think.

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I do have a question for you, though, because we were talking about queer representation in forget me not last week.

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Now, obviously, to have a personal colour in a position like this at the time was, you know, huge and hugely different from the norm, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Why couldn't they do that with queer representation as well?

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They were bold enough to do this.

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Why didn't they do that as well?

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Yeah, I mean.

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I just don't think it was a thing in the 60s at all, was it?

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Was there a queer representation on television that wasn't sort of comedy characters?

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Oh, really?

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Even in the 70s, if I'm honest, there were, you know, Mr. Humphreys, are you being certain things like that?

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But it's all it's all like a parody of that sort of person rather than...

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Yeah, so this is this our 1st sort of observation lounge thing, only their observation lounge has no fucking windows in it, you know.

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Did you see Ahura sitting there?

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She looks super bored.

213
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Now, if Council Troy or Beverly Crusher, look that bored when Picard was talking, he'd have a few things to say.

214
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It also as well.

215
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It is very strange to see Ahura in gold.

216
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I'm so used to seeing her in red.

217
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Yeah.

218
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Yeah.

219
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Yeah.

220
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Oh, they're cute.

221
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Yeah, we can't hear the music.

222
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This is the one bad thing about doing this with the sound down.

223
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Yes, that's right.

224
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That xylophone is going crazy right now.

225
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So it's doing a lot of the job of making this tense because essentially there's no action here.

226
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This is a bunch of people sitting in a room talking and it's entirely what we call word peril on flight through entirety.

227
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You know, there's no, there's no kind of visible threat.

228
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And so they're just relying on the acting and the music, I think, to produce that.

229
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Does that make this the 1st Star Trek bottle show?

230
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It does, doesn't it?

231
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Yeah, well, I guess so.

232
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They don't go anywhere.

233
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No one beams down or anything.

234
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But it's not like TOS can't do action because there's a ton of action in TOS.

235
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There's lots of fights, you know, there's lots of stuff that they punch the money to do it.

236
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Think of arena.

237
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The whole thing's a massive fight on there in the desert.

238
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But I mean, it doesn't mean they lean more into characterisation.

239
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And I find that, you know me, that's my inning Star Trek.

240
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So I found that really interesting here.

241
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I also think too, that this episode and we'll get there does a very good job of stating the purpose of the show.

242
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Like as a mission statement.

243
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You know, at the point, at this point, they haven't even yet invented the Federation, right?

244
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Right.

245
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They could, what do they call it?

246
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They call it something else.

247
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There's something.

248
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In fact, the Baylock or whatever, Baylock?

249
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I want to say Blaylock, but that's that's Tapol.

250
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Like he's from a thing called the Federation, isn't he?

251
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So they haven't...

252
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When he said that at the end, I was so confused.

253
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I was like, okay.

254
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Yeah, you know what they hadn't?

255
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At the beginning of this, they say that there are no star maps for the area of space that they're in.

256
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So this is literally into the unknown they're going into here.

257
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It's what Star Trek Discovery is doing in series three.

258
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But I mean, it is the, it's the, you know, to explore strange new worlds to seek out new life and new civilisation.

259
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So this is, you know, this is our 1st kind of business as usual episode.

260
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You know, we've had 2 pilots and then we do this.

261
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And so this is very clearly them doing, you know, kind of stating what they want the show to be able to be.

262
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And in a way, like this is like a submarine film, isn't it?

263
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You know, they're in a vessel and someone's panicking and they have to sort of fire weapons and stuff.

264
00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:32.940
Oh, that... visually it leans into that as well because the lights come down and it's kind of red lit, isn't it?

265
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when it's when they're in danger So it is, you know, basically hunt for red October.

266
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Oh, yeah, yeah.

267
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There are some top quality throwing themselves around the set happening just there.

268
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You'll always get that in TOS, you know.

269
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Sometimes I randomly throw myself around my house, you know, because I've been attacked by a false on torpedo.

270
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Oh, as I was going to say.

271
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Yeah, sorry.

272
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So that whole thing about going into the unknown.

273
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TOS then populates this aerospace over time.

274
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Then next generation does the same thing.

275
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It takes the same weld, but it gives them, you know, huge amounts of depth compared to this.

276
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Um, and then they have to start making excuses to go into the unknown. you've got the wormhole in DS 9.

277
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You've got the Delta Quadrant in Voyager, you've got the, what is it, the expanse in Enterprise, and then you're going into the future in Discovery.

278
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Yeah, Discovery.

279
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Because they want to lean into the same premise so that, you know, we don't know what's out there.

280
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But, um, this and TNG do such a good job of, of basically creating the alpha quadrant in a lot of detail.

281
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Yeah, well, I mean, the problem now is you've got memory alpha with detailed articles on literally everything that's ever happened in Star Trek.

282
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And so there is no unknown.

283
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There's nowhere to fit those stories anymore.

284
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And this is what I talked about last week a little bit, I think, that there is a problem now with 800 episodes and trek continuity being so kind of rigid.

285
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Yeah, terrifying.

286
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No, I know you're saying that sarcastically. but let's not forget.

287
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I get all my trivia from memory alpha, okay?

288
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It's an incredibly useful resource.

289
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Thank you to everybody out there to contribute.

290
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No, no, I agree.

291
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I agree.

292
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:27.779
Oh, okay, so I've got a question for you about the trio of Kirk and Spock and Bones.

293
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This is McCoy's 1st episode.

294
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Watching this, I could never have told.

295
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This is where he came in.

296
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He is he is incredibly good.

297
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And you have 3 incredibly strong leads, I think. in, you know, in these three.

298
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Um, And what I like about it is that they all represent very strong positions.

299
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You know, they're well characterised, partly through the actors' performances, but also because, as happens here, as is established here, Spock is kind of emotionless, and we'll talk more about that later, and we see him in charge.

300
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:22.079
Um, you know, like Kirk's drinking right now, for God's sake, God knows.

301
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:30.539
Well, dice, this this really made me feel like, you know, this was an established relationship because it's it's very relaxed.

302
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.839
It's kind of gently mocking like friends are, you know?

303
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:36.539
Yeah, no, it's really very well done.

304
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:41.819
And so, you know, you've got an alien and a human.

305
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:51.839
You've got someone who's emotionless, you've got someone who is, you know, grumpy and, you know, concerned about human welfare and all of that sort of thing.

306
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And then you've got someone trying to decide between them in the middle.

307
00:22:54.960 --> 00:23:03.900
I think, um, De Forrest Kelly is the funniest actor in the show and he delivers his lines, like, he's like the Nicholas Courtney of this show.

308
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.480
You know, he delivers his line with comic rock.

309
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:13.319
I am sometimes a little concerned by his characterisation which virtues on, you know, space racism.

310
00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:17.039
He is so toxic to spock at times.

311
00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:19.680
Yeah. it just won't give him a chance.

312
00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:26.759
And sometimes I'm like, okay, they've decided this is his main characteristic and they just push it and push it.

313
00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:34.920
As the show gets less subtle as it goes along and you're hit into series 3, when people are kind of taking their eye off the scripts, he's a bit of a bully.

314
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Right.

315
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:44.700
But, but, you know, like his relationship with Spocky's antagonistic because their interests are different and they represent different points of view.

316
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:53.759
It's almost like the 3 of them sort of, you know, they're like, you know, ego and super ego or something.

317
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You know, enough why you're here.

318
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But really, don't you think?

319
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You know, you've got Spock who's sort of supremely rational, you've got, um, McCoy who's driven by emotion and then you've got Kirk there who has to chart between them and make a sort of decision.

320
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Yeah.

321
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:16.740
And you know, I also want to say, no, like the best of that characterisation, McCoy and Spock.

322
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:20.339
It's like the best of Star Trek, you know, and how they learn from each other.

323
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:27.420
And that kind of grudging affection relationship has been repeated in every single style.

324
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.460
Like, that is a formula that works.

325
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:30.779
Odo and Quark.

326
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.359
I hate to say it, but Neelix and Chewbok.

327
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:36.359
Um, Let's see, immersive we got.

328
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.960
Who are the who's like the bones and spock of discovery?

329
00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:41.579
Well, I don't know.

330
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:47.160
I mean, there's a sort of antagonistic and friendly relationship between Tilly and Stammets, isn't there?

331
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:53.819
And Stamets is kind of grumpy and a little bit prickly and she's sort of very human.

332
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.680
I would have said stammets and that.

333
00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.779
The female character, the engineer.

334
00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.400
Yeah, Tilly, Tilly.

335
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.799
Oh, Jet Reno.

336
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:02.279
Yeah.

337
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.799
That's more antagonistic.

338
00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:06.539
Well, it doesn't happen quite so much.

339
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.619
He's not in it all the time.

340
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:13.259
So now he's the 2nd of our geometric shapes, regular geometric shapes.

341
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.599
This effect shot is really, I really love this.

342
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:22.799
Like, when I 1st watched this, I wasn't sure if I was watching the original or not, and I was like, and I got to this bit, and I was like, 0 no, I'm watching the new effects now.

343
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:24.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

344
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.519
There's a lot of detail there.

345
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:33.359
You said to me and forget me not, you know, about how previously Star Trek didn't really throw weird imagery at you.

346
00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:34.140
That's pretty weird.

347
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.059
That is pretty weird.

348
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.859
And the original is weirder.

349
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:43.859
In fact, this makes it a little bit more obvious that it's a constructed object.

350
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.920
You know, you can see like under those dome things.

351
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.539
You can see pipes and stuff running.

352
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:54.720
So that's actually a bit of a shame because it was a bit more abstract and that was one of the things that was interesting about it.

353
00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:59.460
I was getting like a bit of a beehive feel about it with all those different segments, you know.

354
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.359
Yep.

355
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.880
Never very far from my thoughts.

356
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:04.079
No, I know.

357
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:15.960
But what I really like about this is, they can't, like, Spock, sorry, Spock, Kirk often comes from a position of power, right?

358
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:18.000
I've got my weapons on you.

359
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.680
He's all very he's very gung-ho.

360
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:23.160
But with this thing, yeah, which isn't even talking at the moment.

361
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.420
They can't escape it.

362
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.920
They can't get away from it.

363
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:27.299
They can't negotiate with it.

364
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.359
They can't attack it and they can't even intimidate it.

365
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.660
So they've got to try and figure it out and I like the puzzle.

366
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.220
Yeah, yeah.

367
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:42.420
And, you know, it is like spoiler alert, they get out of it because he does something clever.

368
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:55.019
And that's, you know, for an action adventure show aimed at, you know, teenage boys probably. you know, doing that rather than outgunning the enemy.

369
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.220
That's a good thing.

370
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:56.819
I think.

371
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.200
But again, it's very unusual for Star Trek.

372
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:06.720
Like, I think it's unusual to have a puzzle this simple as well.

373
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:08.039
Like this thing is in front of us.

374
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:09.660
How do we communicate with it?

375
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.740
And essentially, you know, the ultimate conclusion is just be nice.

376
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.279
You know, it's just this kid, and let's just be nice to be friendly with him, you know?

377
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:21.119
Well, and that's the mission statement of the show, though, isn't it?

378
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:24.720
That is the we are here to make peace.

379
00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:26.099
We are explorers.

380
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.980
Uh, you know, we don't start fights.

381
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:34.200
Are you talking about seeking out new lives and new civilisations?

382
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:40.799
Although there is a there is a quite a strong masculine word in the next statement to boldly go where no one has gone before?

383
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:43.440
Yeah, but you know, like I like that.

384
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:46.740
And, you know, Catherine Janeway boldly goes.

385
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.599
So does Michael.

386
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.339
Heck, I certainly does.

387
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:54.059
I love her series 3 hair.

388
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:54.720
I have to say.

389
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.039
There's some great.

390
00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:04.200
We still haven't seen as we record, we still haven't seen Discovery Series 4, but some of the promotional images have some really terrific hair happening.

391
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:05.880
So I'm looking forward to.

392
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:06.960
You know what I love?

393
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:08.099
The voices started talking now.

394
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.460
Yeah, Baylock's voice or the faux Baylock voice.

395
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.799
And it's that kind of RP.

396
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:14.640
Isn't it?

397
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:15.539
very posh.

398
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:16.559
Hello?

399
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.099
You will be destroyed.

400
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:24.119
All Star Trek aliens sound like this in TOS.

401
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.220
I just think they...

402
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:27.480
How many computers do?

403
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.480
No.

405
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:32.279
That's that's just normal.

406
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:34.440
Oh, Mr. Mr. Bailey's.

407
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:35.880
No, he's starting to lose it.

408
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:37.500
Oh, there you go.

409
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:38.519
We throwing ourselves around again.

410
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.759
Oh, that's a that was a great one from Kirk.

411
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:44.279
Shall we write them?

412
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:47.039
as we watch the TOS episodes. about the same accent.

413
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:54.900
I mean, I'm convinced I'm never going to see anyone doing anything as a depth as that man who was stroking the wall in the corridor scene.

414
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.460
I don't know why you're doing that.

415
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.720
No, who knows?

416
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:01.920
He's probably friends with it I think...

417
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:10.079
And look, the alien, because this is sort of America in the 1960s, the alien is giving them time to prey before.

418
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.759
Before he blows them up, which is pretty great.

419
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:20.220
I bet Baylock's having great fun, you know, on the intercom.

420
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.140
I'm going wind them right up.

421
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.900
And then and then I'm going to offer them a drink.

422
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:27.599
She does at the end of the episode.

423
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:28.680
Yeah, yeah.

424
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:35.759
So it's it is this simple thing because it's our 3rd episode.

425
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:40.799
We're doing something so simple that we would never, ever be able to get away with later.

426
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:49.980
And I think the Enterprise tries to pull this crap in its 1st series where it kind of goes, all right, we'll have an away mission, but it'll be the 1st away mission ever.

427
00:29:49.980 --> 00:30:03.960
And, uh, well, that's the episode, you know, and it just doesn't quite land because there's a lot of episodes in Enterprise Series one where not a lot happens and they're trying to lean into the characterisation like this, but the characters just aren't as strong.

428
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.160
Yeah.

429
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:06.539
I mean, yeah, yeah.

430
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.059
I mean, the characters are...

431
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:16.319
Like, they do have particular points of view, but at the moment it is mostly down to the performances.

432
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:29.640
And holy crap, can I just say that I don't think you hear people praising William Shatner for his performance enough because I think he is absolutely magnificent.

433
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:33.240
And like it may all go to hell in series three.

434
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:49.019
But, you know, he's like, it's actually a bit shocking when he starts to tell Bailey off because he is the commander, but he is the he's relaxed in a really interesting way, in a way that Picard isn't.

435
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:52.079
And there's good humour there as well.

436
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:55.019
Like, he's often amused, like visibly amused.

437
00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:01.380
I think with Shatner, and I've seen him go on and do, like, terrific work in, like, is it Boston Legalism?

438
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.140
Um, the, Yeah, yeah. and in films as well.

439
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.900
He's he's done some terrifically funny roles in films.

440
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.299
At this point, yeah, there was a big buzz about Star Trek.

441
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:17.519
This was like a prestige show and he is giving it is all as if he's doing just a regular drain.

442
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:21.359
He's giving a very naturalistic performance as Kirk.

443
00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:30.180
I don't think it's until series 3, like you said, where there's lots of behind the scenes difficulties, it's clear this isn't going to run for much longer.

444
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:35.400
The scripts are lousy and he just cuts loose and comes like madly over the top.

445
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:44.759
But like, like, in the episode after, I think it's the episode that was filmed after this, the one way he's split into 2 and uh, it's good Kirk and Backo.

446
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:49.799
And there was every, every single opportunity there of him to completely ham it up.

447
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:55.559
He's bloody terrifying as the evil kirk and he brings it down.

448
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.819
He doesn't overplay it.

449
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.099
So I think throughout the whole of series one.

450
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.700
He's given it his all, like, like everything Shatner has to give, and that's a lot.

451
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.920
Yeah, he is really good.

452
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:11.819
Now, Bailey is losing his shit now, and he's doing some really incredible hand acting.

453
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:12.480
Look at that.

454
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:14.339
He's sweat.

455
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.440
He's like, he's like someone pleading in a high school play.

456
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.539
My work's very good.

457
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:26.460
But work's on enough. frustrating in front of you here.

458
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:32.940
But it is, I do like the fact that he has a meltdown, like publicly as well.

459
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.759
And then and then they kind of have to deal with the fallout of that.

460
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:37.619
Like Kirk's like, oh, balls.

461
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.720
I, you know, I've, I have pushed him too far.

462
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:44.700
And McCoy actually, McCoy points that out and says, yeah, yeah, you did wrong.

463
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:45.839
No, it's your fault.

464
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:46.859
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

465
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.019
But look how steely he looks there.

466
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:58.980
Actually, this is also not a popular opinion, but I think Shatner is actually fairly pretty at this age too.

467
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.839
Oh, sure, very, very good looking in those eyes and stuff.

468
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:08.279
But it's not a sort of show is populated by very prissy men.

469
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:09.660
Sulu is very pretty.

470
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.859
Chekov is very pretty.

471
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.319
Oh, the hair doesn't help.

472
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.940
I love that.

473
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:16.200
I love that monkey's hair.

474
00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:17.160
What you talking about?

475
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:21.000
Obviously, Ahura is very prissy.

476
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

477
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:23.519
Look at his eyes.

478
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.700
You know, he does wear like a lot of makeup and stuff like that.

479
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:28.680
Okay, they're tapes.

480
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.019
They haven't invented isolinear chips yet.

481
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.119
And so all their records are on tapes.

482
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.079
But it's like you said the other day, right?

483
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:37.799
Imagine.

484
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:41.220
Imagine, because obviously Discovery is set before this.

485
00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:46.200
Yeah, yeah. in the timeline, imagine if they'd gone back and done this technology again.

486
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:48.539
Yeah, people were complaining.

487
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.839
People were complaining about that and I just thought that's baffling.

488
00:33:51.900 --> 00:34:03.359
And part of it is too, that I think discovery wants to get away from the idea that it's not a TV show, you know, that it's a world into things that happen.

489
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:07.799
You know, that it's not a viewport into the future or anything.

490
00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:09.420
It's a TV show about the future.

491
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.179
And so it plays with Star Trek and with its continuity, it has a really fractious relationship with it.

492
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:28.079
But I almost think that that skip into the future, not just in narrative terms, by doing that, it allows them to visually just go mad and be as creative as they want and as modern as they want, you know.

493
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:29.159
Yeah.

494
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.119
Yeah.

495
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:30.840
Yeah.

496
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:31.739
I agree.

497
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:38.340
What, you see, you see the console, the screens at the back there with the lights kind of, it's all about.

498
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.900
They don't do anything.

499
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.579
Okay, it's just pretty.

500
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.800
Pure, okay, tech, really.

501
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.719
Well, I don't know.

502
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:54.119
Look, you know, again, Star Trek the Next Generation kind of has a better story for the screens, doesn't it?

503
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:56.880
But even there, just sort of flashing lights behind glass.

504
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.019
Don't you even come at me saying that that next generation bridge sets better than this.

505
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:02.940
It's so boring compared.

506
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:03.719
This is so colourful.

507
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:04.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:14.820
Well, remember when Discovery recreated the, the, the enterprise bridge and just lent into the red, you know, the red door and the red railings and stuff.

509
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:23.400
And it made it look like a, you know, the bridge of a ship from that show made in, you know, 2018 or whatever.

510
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:30.300
Every time 90s trek went back to the original relics when they went onto the bridge with Scotty.

511
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:38.639
In the last season of Enterprise, they had the Mirror Universe episode, which lent into all that TOS design work.

512
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.159
It just highlights just how much more efficiently interesting this is, the 90s.

513
00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:46.980
Well, it's, you know, Paul.

514
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.360
It's simple and it's colourful.

515
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:49.559
It's pleasing on the eye.

516
00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:55.320
And I'll tell you what, the way that's designed at circular, it allows them to shoot from every single angle.

517
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:59.280
It's an interesting set to shoot the episode in.

518
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.900
Yeah, and the sort of primary colours and stuff are kind of nice.

519
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:13.500
I just think too that, you know, that sort of 60s design, like who doesn't have a soft spot for how, you know, interior decorating?

520
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:21.780
But like, but like even how they shoot like TNG, because it's always the cameras always wear the viewscreen.

522
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:27.300
It's shooting at everyone, sat in manoeuvred positions, so they're all like, it's so boring.

523
00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:33.960
I know it's comfortable, but it's like compared to this where he's coming in over his shoulder and it's zooming up for noises.

524
00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:35.460
Yeah.

526
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:45.059
I didn't think I'd be watching TOS and saying, wow, this is more visually interesting than what happens in 20 years time, but in some places it is.

527
00:36:45.179 --> 00:37:03.780
Well, I mean, it's telling that they never go back to a TNG style bridge and that, you know, the next ship, you know, that Voyager is flat and circular and, you know, doesn't have massive empty spaces for the cameras to move around in.

528
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:08.280
And the defiant in DSI is literally a submarine, isn't it?

529
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:11.880
Like, when that comes down and the red lights come on.

530
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:13.380
It is, it is, yeah.

531
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.199
Okay, I've completely lost track of what's occurring now. happening in the episode?

532
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.960
Well, no, this is the Corbamite maneuver.

533
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.179
So it is him telling lies about Corbamite.

534
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.800
And threatening him.

535
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:35.039
Um, did we have the bit?

536
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:47.280
Did we talk all the way through the bit where Spock, um, So there's there's 2 striking moments for Spock, one is the poker thing.

537
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:48.900
You know, where they're talking about poker.

538
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:55.860
And that gives Jim the idea of how to deal with this or is that yet to come?

539
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.539
Because this looks like a blast.

540
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:03.420
No, but that's that is something that they nick ad nauseam in 90s trek, that kind of the tortured metaphor.

541
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

542
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:08.099
But this is our 1st one so we can kind of forgive it.

543
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:08.940
Get away with it.

544
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.179
Yeah.

545
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:13.440
And that line there.

546
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.480
West boxes.

547
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.239
Baylock is reminiscent of his father.

548
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:24.059
And you kind of think, holy crap, there's, you know, decades of possible therapy there.

549
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:25.079
You know?

550
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:32.699
There's a wonderful bit of trivia that is relevant to a scene coming up now.

551
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:47.340
Um, where in the script, Spock is uh, said to react fearfully to the Balok puppet that appears on the screen, and the director said to Leonard NY, do not play it like that.

552
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:54.480
I want you to just look at it and be like, fascinating and be intrigued rather than terrified.

553
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.179
And like you said to me before we press record.

554
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.940
That is literally how they characterise the Vulcans.

555
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.820
And it was improvised in this episode.

556
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:07.019
It's pretty incredible how contingent it all is.

557
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:14.159
You know, we wouldn't have had the Vulcans, the way that we do, if it wasn't for that particular moment.

558
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:16.800
I love this too.

559
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:17.579
He's gone away.

560
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.260
He's had a bit of a cry in his quarters, Mr. Bailey, and now he's back.

561
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.739
And look at Jim's smile.

562
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.619
Like he doesn't give anything away to Bailey.

563
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:38.219
Like permission granted, but there is a sort of curl of his lip. where, you know, he's just been told off by McCoy.

564
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.079
Just saw what he slick thing.

565
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:44.699
He slipped back into his seat like a naughty child, like, okay, I'm back, guys.

566
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.000
Hi.

567
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:56.400
But you know, in AT&G episode, the meltdown would happen like in the final act and that it would almost be like for showing that emotion, that's it.

568
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:57.239
You out of the episode now.

569
00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:58.320
I don't think they do that.

570
00:39:58.380 --> 00:39:58.860
Yeah, yeah.

571
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.500
You know, the coda of him coming back.

572
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:03.960
No that's right.

573
00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:07.199
I'm desperate to know which is, I sent you before I wrote a bet.

574
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:10.920
In this episode, they filmed a reaction shot of George TK.

575
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:22.079
Um, looking at the screen, then turning to Kirk, and then they just reused it in countless episodes going in, I wonder which shot is. should have been keeping an eye out.

576
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.360
Well, they couldn't film a new shot of George Decay reacting all the time.

577
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:32.460
Ah, unless unless they thought, well, maybe he would only be in this one episode.

578
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:42.780
Oh, no, I think it's kind of like, oh, crap, we need someone to react to this or shall we get the old shot of George out of the can and use that?

579
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.219
Like they find they don't have coverage or something.

580
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:54.960
Someone forgot to shoot anyone reacting to the giant green hand holding the enterprise source section or something.

581
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.000
This is true as well.

582
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.500
Like throughout the episode, even I think they space it apart a bit too long.

583
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:07.260
You know, we have the cube and then we have the weird geodesic thing and then we have the creature.

584
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.860
So it is kind of building, it's getting more dramatic as it goes along.

585
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:15.300
But it's like 20 minutes between each drop, you know, like...

586
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:16.440
Yeah, yeah.

587
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:17.219
Yeah.

588
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.900
Yeah, look at his smile there.

589
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.420
He's so excited.

590
00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:31.199
And it like the original Spock as well, from the cage, he had like a much more sort of demonic look, didn't he?

591
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:32.699
And he was very emotional.

592
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.239
It was number one in the cage that was the emotionless character.

593
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.260
Yeah.

594
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:43.139
Well, there's a moment here where he says he's sorry and then he corrects himself and, you know, says he regrets something.

595
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:43.920
Instead.

596
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:48.059
You know, like he's he's already kind of there, isn't he?

597
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:53.280
And he does, he, you know, cuts Bailey down in conversation earlier on in the bridge.

598
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:57.239
Can I tell you a story very quickly about this creature that's on the screen right now?

599
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:58.260
Yeah.

600
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:04.980
The fake bail. generations of kids Well, okay, so I obviously came into Star Trek via the next generation.

601
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.880
Okay, so I asked for a Star Trek video for my birthday, okay?

602
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:21.480
And I could see it wrapped up and it was clearly a VHS and I unwrapped it on my birthday with absolute excitement. you know, 0 my god, it's going to be justice and when the bowel breaks or something amazing like that.

603
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:23.159
And what was there?

604
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:25.320
An original Star Trek video.

605
00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:27.780
Oh my, and I was absolutely devastated.

606
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.619
I'm like, what's it?

607
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:29.460
I don't want to watch this.

608
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.320
What is the new one, right?

609
00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:33.900
Obviously I'm young. 9 years old at this point.

610
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.159
Um, and very unreasonable. as a lot of children are at that age.

611
00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:40.199
Anyways, I watched the episode.

612
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:44.039
With my sister and at the end of the episodes, isn't it?

613
00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:46.559
There's the Baylock creature on the credits, right?

614
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:52.260
Well, that just made my day because honest to God, that Baylock Christian looks like my nanny Ford.

615
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.380
She was miserable looking at that.

616
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.760
And we always just put that little bit on and goes, Nanny Ford, it's Nanny Ford.

617
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:07.500
I don't know why that's relevant to anything, but as soon as I saw it on the screen, I'm like, 0 my god, it's nanny four.

618
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:15.960
Well, I've heard, like, countless people talk about being scared shitless by the still photo of that in the closing credits.

619
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.400
Like, it is a thing.

620
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.840
She honestly, she looked as miserable as that creature.

621
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.800
All the time.

622
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.980
Look, we just got a reaction shot of Janet, and we didn't talk about her before.

623
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.719
I'm sorry, Janice.

624
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.039
They're in the middle of a...

625
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:35.159
They're in the middle of a bloody crisis and she's just coming with some coffee.

626
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:39.239
No, she hates it with a phaser in the galley.

628
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:42.840
You know, I thought you might be a bit stressed, doing some caffeine.

629
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:44.760
You just get out of my face.

630
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:46.980
Like he says in this, doesn't he?

631
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.260
So initially I was like, oh, okay, this is a bit sex. you know, he's got this woman pampering after him.

632
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:56.639
But he says he says, I can't believe they gave me a female yeoman.

633
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.760
So there's clearly male ones as well.

634
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.739
Yeah, yeah.

635
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:10.679
But I mean, that doesn't take away from the fact that, you know, for the next 3 years we see her sort of carrying clipboards and trays of drink and stuff all over the place.

636
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.420
No, she doesn't make it past series one.

637
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.679
Oh, doesn't she?

638
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:15.420
She's written out in series one.

639
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.519
Yeah. something happened behind the scenes.

640
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:22.559
They weren't happy with her and she is summarily executed from the series.

641
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:27.179
They bring her back in one of the films and she's shockingly bad.

642
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.360
No, as bad as when they brought her back in Voyager.

643
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.179
Well, you can't even tell who it is anymore.

644
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.679
You know, like, I don't know, people age.

645
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:37.559
I'm not going to be mean about that, but No, no, have a back.

646
00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:44.940
But she walks in with this like tea tray going, hello, young cadets, ready for another exciting day in the Federation or something.

647
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:45.900
Oh, it's ghastly.

648
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.659
I hope we get that episode soon.

649
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:53.340
So now we have our 3rd thing.

650
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.079
It's a little cluster of balls.

651
00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.719
It's shuttle.

652
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:00.239
Well, that's what that's all we have.

653
00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:03.960
I know what you're talking about, actually. politics.

654
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:11.219
Oh, God, there's so much going on in that. all those consoles bleeping and lighting on and off.

655
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.659
Do you know what?

656
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:17.880
For the next generation, you know, when they sort of touch all the buttons. because there's no indication of what any of it does.

657
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:23.639
I just thought it was the most sophisticated technology that I'd ever seen in my life. which seems coloured lives.

658
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:25.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.360
Well, we didn't really have touchscreens then.

660
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:29.159
There were those sort of terrible...

661
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.460
I don't know what you call them, but the ones that relied on pressure and stuff instead of the capacity of ones.

662
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:42.300
I would also that point out, though, I was given a Rubik's cue and a speak and spell, and I thought those were the height of technology as well.

663
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.360
So you know, I was easily impressed as a child.

664
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.840
Well, they were back then, I guess.

665
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:52.800
Okay, so they're following this, what, is it like a shuttle leading them somewhere?

666
00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

667
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

668
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:55.619
Yeah, no.

669
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.820
And again, it just seems to be kind of playing out the running time at this point.

670
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:21.900
You know, like the threat of death, which I thought was good because it was kind of like hugely abstract, and it is a little bit like that 1st encounter with the Borg in TNG or the maybe at best of both worlds, where they're kind of relentless and they don't respond to anything that you do.

671
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.780
Like there's nothing, they're kind of impassable.

672
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.900
You can't, you can't affect them in any way.

673
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.300
And I thought that was really good.

674
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:47.280
And I think that that is the sort of thing that would have terrified me as a child because it's that scary, deep voice and it is the, you know, you're going to die in a mysterious way that we're not going to specify and there's nothing that you can do to stop it.

675
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:58.320
And I, you know, I think that Star Trek, the Next Generation tends to be a little bit more kind of, oh, God, look at those guys.

676
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.460
Oh, yes.

677
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.440
They're holding up the wall, those ones.

678
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.639
Not even against him.

679
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:08.400
Yeah, but I think this is scarier than I think this is sometimes than next gen.

680
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:17.460
Except for that episode where Negulum appears on the view screen, the unknowable face and turns Dr. Pulaski and a puppet and she starts dancing around.

681
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.139
That's hilarious Oh my god.

682
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:20.880
But also as well.

683
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:30.599
I've lamented the fact that not a lot happens in this episode, but I actually want to nick something that you say quite a lot in a lot of podcasting and that is.

684
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:38.400
Sometimes it's just nice to be with these characters and we're early in the run and these are great characters to spend time with.

685
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.460
So if I'm going to spend time doing nothing.

686
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:45.539
I'd like to do it with the original series ensemble because they're really fun to be around.

687
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.699
Yeah, no I think that's fair enough.

688
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.519
Did you say Leonard Nimmo at the back of the set?

689
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.619
They're kind of like, dramatically wobbling against the wall. hilarious.

690
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:02.519
Deforest is doing it in that.

691
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:06.599
No, Egypt's like, he looks like he's sitting on a washing machine.

692
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:08.460
Oh no, no.

693
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.079
No, no, no, it looks like he's wanking.

694
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:11.280
Oh, come on, this is too much.

695
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:14.460
Oh, we're at Mason.

696
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.380
We are going to have so much fun with TOS.

697
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.099
I can just tell.

698
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:28.320
Because also as well, it's all 90s strike is a little bit apologetic and wants to be kind of serious, whereas TOS is happy to just go for it, you know?

699
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.920
Yeah, and I actually think that instinct is right.

700
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:38.880
I think there's no, you know, like, like TNG goes out of its way to distance itself from TOS, doesn't it?

701
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:41.519
Like there are no Vulcans until, you know, much.

702
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:42.900
Oh, well, series 2, I guess.

703
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.519
Oh, wow, look at that model shot.

704
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.760
I think you'll find that CGI, Nathan.

705
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.139
Yes, I know.

706
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:49.800
I know.

707
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:51.059
Well, computer models.

708
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:58.380
Um, uh, you know, they avoid Vulcans, they avoid Andorians and, you know, Tellerites and stuff like that.

709
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:09.480
But then subsequent series that just loved, you know, TOS and the current iteration of Star Trek under Kurtzman is full of massive fans of it.

710
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:10.679
It's constantly being right.

711
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:11.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:17.400
I'm thinking DSI as well, Ron Moore and Ira Bear were huge fans of DSI.

713
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:21.900
So there are in jokes and references. in loads of episodes, you know?

714
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:27.000
Um, I'm going to tell you a fact you may not know about the court, my maneuver.

715
00:49:27.059 --> 00:49:27.900
Oh, yeah.

716
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.719
This was nominated for a Hugo Award.

717
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:31.800
Oh, really?

718
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.820
1967.

719
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:34.980
Now, I want to tell you some other episodes.

720
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.760
I think the Inner Light won the Hugo Award that year.

721
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:43.920
I know DS9 is the visitor was nominated for a Hugo Award.

722
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:49.260
Um, like, it's a prestigious thing to be nominated for a Hugo Award.

723
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.420
And this is super early in its run.

724
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

725
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:56.760
Well, I mean, it's sort of...

726
00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:00.179
Well, you know, in series one, I've got to chosen this one, though.

727
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.159
Obviously, I would have gone to see him the edge of forever.

728
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.800
Is that in series one?

729
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.139
It's right near the end of the series one.

730
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.219
Right, right.

731
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:18.420
Yeah, I mean, that is very good and is, you know, rightly acclaimed despite the possible subtext.

732
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:34.260
But, um, like, this is simple, and it is the thing that says what Star Trek's going to be, that we are explorers and that our job is meeting you people.

733
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.239
He just said it there.

734
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.239
He literally just said it in that scene to seek out new life.

735
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:43.920
And then he says, can we live up for those high-handed words, you know?

736
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:44.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.480
Yeah.

738
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:47.579
So there's something super weird too.

739
00:50:47.639 --> 00:51:07.559
As if something about Bailey has been left out, as if it had been established in his character that he wanted to seek out the unknown or something, you know, because it's like a special treat to Bailey to be sent on the mission, you know, that away mission to go and see who the alien is.

740
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.599
And, you know, maybe that's implied.

741
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:16.920
This is like we said, though, this this is in that kind of weird gestation period where they haven't really made up the rules yet, you know?

742
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:18.059
Yeah, that's right.

743
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:18.659
That's right.

744
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:24.420
So maybe at this point it's just Kirk and Spock and McCoy, they're allowed to go down and visit planets, you know.

745
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:28.500
I don't even think the cliche about the red shirts is in.

746
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.260
Oh, no, in the man trap, there's a red shirt that gets killed right at the beginning.

747
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:31.679
I remember.

748
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:32.340
Oh, really?

749
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.699
episode one. is insanely hot Latino.

750
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:37.019
Oh, really?

751
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:39.000
Broke my heart when he died, honestly.

752
00:51:39.480 --> 00:52:02.099
But look as well, like, like, there's a, there's an Asian character there at the, at the, so they're bending down on the transporter because there's a low roof when they arrive, but they've just beamed them under, like, in a doorway. they just beam them like a foot further to the front, they could have stood up straight.

753
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.480
In fact, here they are.

754
00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:05.400
Yeah, I was going to say.

755
00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:11.880
I was going to say, typically the design of the set, like informed how they had to be on the pad, but no, not...

756
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.059
Okay, I love this set.

757
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.980
Holy cracking about.

758
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.139
Stu, that's been fucking weird.

759
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.480
This scene now is wonderfully weird.

760
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:23.579
Yeah, yeah, Clint Howard.

761
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:31.320
Yeah, lip syncing dialogue and doing it, like better than any drag artist on RuPaul's Drag Race.

762
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:31.860
I'm telling you.

763
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.260
Well, is it?

764
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.860
yeah, yeah.

765
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.659
So this is, I know.

766
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.000
So, Clint Howard.

767
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.679
Oh, sorry.

768
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.420
He's a bit chilling.

769
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.500
I think he's a bit scary.

770
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:47.940
So that's Ron Howard's older brother, is that right?

771
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.599
Did I dream that?

772
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.280
Is Ron Howard from Happy Days?

773
00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:51.300
Is that Ron Howard?

774
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:52.320
Yeah.

776
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:52.920
Yeah.

777
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:56.099
And, you know, he's a director and so on.

778
00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:01.559
He has been in other episodes of Star Trek.

779
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:07.079
He is in Deep Space 9 and his most recent appearance.

780
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.940
Do you know who he is now?

781
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:14.219
Oh my god, he's not the crazy from past tense who goes, whoosh, I'm invisible.

782
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.239
Is he that guy?

783
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.320
Oh, I can't.

784
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:16.920
I think he is.

785
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:17.699
I think he is.

786
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:21.420
He is the angry.

787
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:32.579
He's a sort of angry Orion in the, I think it's um, I think it might be the season finale of series one of Discovery.

788
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.059
So he has been in discovery.

789
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.199
So they've got him back.

790
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:42.179
So he's got a very, very, very long Star Trek.

791
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:47.880
There are weird connections with happy days, you know, because Anderson Williams, who was in happy days.

792
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:50.159
I can't remember which character he played.

793
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:52.860
Um, he went on to direct.

794
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.719
He directs the DS9 episode.

795
00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:55.980
It's only a Paper Moon.

796
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.000
Pots, yeah.

797
00:53:57.059 --> 00:53:57.659
Ah, yes.

798
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.340
And that's a phenomenal episode.

799
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. prolific director.

800
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.400
Yeah, so now they're drinking.

801
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.280
I have to point out, it's grapefruit juice. memory appetising that.

802
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.139
Yeah, it's not alcoholic.

803
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.059
Apparently what it's called.

804
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.800
Clint Howard had to do his best possible acting because he loathed grapefruit juice.

805
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:20.760
You know where he's going, oh, 1st Latronya.

806
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.340
Tranya, that's right.

807
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.139
Space grapefruit juice.

808
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:28.679
What it is.

809
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:30.000
Ah, it's awesome.

810
00:54:30.539 --> 00:54:37.980
And look at that, Kirk, again, just that, you know, he's he's amused.

811
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.480
It's wonderful to watch.

812
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:43.739
It's a terrific episode for Kurt, isn't it?

813
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:48.300
He literally had to rely on intelligence with, and now good humour, you know?

814
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:53.400
I'm worried by how many fillings Clint Howard has for someone so young.

815
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:57.780
It just seems to be, um, I'm worried about those bushy eyebrows he's got.

816
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.639
Yeah, they might not be his.

817
00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:01.440
And they didn't shave the kid's head.

818
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:03.179
Did you say they might not be in?

819
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:03.900
No kidding.

820
00:55:04.739 --> 00:55:08.340
Well, I don't think the bald baldness is him either.

821
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.860
I think they've just...

822
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.840
Sometimes you're all sarcastic is very thin.

823
00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:20.820
You're right about the set, though, because it's got a bizarre ending where they all just walk off together.

824
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.099
But they walk around the exterior of the set.

825
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.940
So there's all this negative space full of curtains.

826
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.340
It's very, very stylish and very period, you know.

827
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:38.340
Why did we lose this ability to use, like, bold colours, like this?

828
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.619
everything's so muted these days?

829
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:54.539
Yeah, I think, you know, I think next gen reacts against the bolt, because these primary colours and stuff seem to be here because, you know, it's colour on television and so you're going to see the colours.

830
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.320
There's one thing I will say about next journey is incredibly beige.

831
00:55:58.380 --> 00:55:59.760
Very beige.

832
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:00.420
Yeah, yeah.

833
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.739
In more ways than one.

834
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:05.820
Yes, well that's it.

835
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.219
They're just going to walk around.

836
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.059
Yeah, yeah.

837
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:09.780
That's all they build.

838
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.719
Well, it kind of ends with them building a friendship.

839
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:14.699
I don't know why, I just thought that was really lovely.

840
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:21.059
And not the payoff you're probably expecting after 45 minutes of suspense buildup.

841
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:26.880
Yeah, no, that's some, you know, that's that's what Star Trek is.

842
00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:27.900
There's Baylock there.

843
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.239
Oh, yeah, 94, their shoes.

844
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.619
Yeah, honestly.

845
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:36.480
I'd go round her house and she'd be there without face saying, get in the garden.

846
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.440
I don't want you in there.

847
00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:41.159
Oh, my word.

848
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:42.900
Okay, so I thought that was incredibly enjoyable.

849
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

850
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:59.099
I think it's a really good episode and I think there's a reason why we're here. uh, you know, like 56 years later talking about it and still watching many TV shows um based on it.

851
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.619
It's, uh, it's an amazing bit of work.

852
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:05.340
Is it interesting that you say that, you know, I'm going to contradict you slightly.

853
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.179
I think we're here because of the next generation.

854
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:10.679
That's why we're here doing this now.

855
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:21.960
Like, I think Trek, Trek found this audience, it was culturally very important, but it did die a very horrible death in that last season.

856
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:23.639
And then it was just sort of times away.

857
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:24.599
Then the movies came back.

858
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.579
Yeah, and they were popular.

859
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:33.300
Next gen here and that was popular on a level that's original Star Trek could probably only dream of.

860
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:38.280
And that kicked off all of those other spinoffs, you know.

861
00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:42.059
And that's why we're here, really. is that there's a wealth of...

862
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:43.980
But I think...

863
00:57:44.039 --> 00:58:00.960
But you know, you don't get those 6 feature films or whatever and you don't get a massive kind of spinoff from something that just hasn't embedded itself in cultural memory.

864
00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:04.199
You know, we were talking about young Sheldon watching it.

865
00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:10.920
You know, all of those kids who watched it and loved it, the letter writing campaigns when it was cancelled.

866
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:25.860
You know, it was never really forgotten, and it was always, always repeated, and it was really something special and unusual, and that was what they were trying to recreate, I think, in the 1980s when...

867
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:26.639
Gen bag.

868
00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:34.920
TOS cliches that have embedded themselves into society, like that doesn't happen by accident, you know, beat me up, Scotty, the red shirt.

869
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:40.800
Like, God, Jim, you know, like, I'm a doctor, not a, you know, all of those things that people remember.

870
00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:45.179
Um, my gosh, I can't waste in the next TOS after that.

871
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.340
Yeah, that's gonna be fun, isn't it?

872
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:14.099
Well, Joe, it's time for us to choose what we're going to watch next time.

873
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:29.940
And my original plan, given that as we record, only one episode of Star Trek Prodigy has aired, I was going to just choose Star Trek Prodigy and let it choose the pilot, which is called Lost and Found.

874
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.679
But I was cheating on a new level for us.

875
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.599
It is absolutely cheating.

876
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:42.239
I would be randomly choosing from the one episode of that show currently in the randomiser.

877
00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:51.719
But of the kind of big flagship Star Trek shows, there is only one of them that we haven't done an episode from.

878
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:55.260
No, I'm one of them that we've been avoiding.

879
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.119
Well, yeah.

880
00:59:57.179 --> 00:59:57.599
Yeah.

881
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:06.000
So this is not hugely loved by me, but it's still Star Trek, you know, and all of that.

882
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.159
Star Trek.

883
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:08.699
Yeah, guys.

884
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:18.960
Yeah, I'm actually going to say that when I went back to review random episodes of Star Trek from my blog, I thought that it was absolutely a game of 2 halves.

885
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:31.500
The 1st half was dreary beyond comparison and series 3 gave the show a massive shot up the arse and series 4 was incredibly good television.

886
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.179
So if we get latter half enterprise, there's a good chance we might get something good.

887
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:37.559
All right.

888
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:43.860
Well, I'm in charge of the randomiser and I'm doing, look, I've done a randomiser redesign, which no one on the video can see there it is.

889
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.139
So that's probably what it looks like when you go there.

890
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:46.920
Very, very sexy.

891
01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:48.840
I've still got more to do on it.

892
01:00:48.900 --> 01:00:52.380
So by the time you see it, it'll probably be...

893
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.039
It is a fact, dear listener, that Nathan can tinker about with websites.

894
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.260
It's absolutely one of its favourite things to do.

895
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.719
Yeah, yeah, it's my hobby.

896
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:03.539
Just call me Wesley Crusher.

897
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:04.679
All right, here goes.

898
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:13.440
Okay, I have literally no idea what this is, but it is season three.

899
01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:15.000
Oh my god.

900
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:15.599
Okay, what is it?

901
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:18.119
It's hatchery.

902
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.699
Oh, no.

903
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:26.820
Oh, it's the one where Archer gets taken over by space aliens.

904
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:29.219
Oh, do they lay it in?

905
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.599
is really boring.

906
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:32.519
It's like one of the most boring episodes of that season.

907
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:33.659
Okay, roll it again.

908
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:34.800
All right.

909
01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:40.079
The augments from series four.

910
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.400
That's a 3 parter.

911
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:49.199
Well, we're not doing a three-parter, but we can we just do the augments, though?

912
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:54.239
I thought our rule was, if it's a two-parter, we do both of them if it's a 3 parter.

913
01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:57.360
It may be that one. middle of a trilogy, though.

914
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:00.420
All right, I'll roll again.

915
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:08.699
Oh, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier in this episode.

916
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:26.099
So this is an episode called Strange New World, which is absolutely the episode that I was referring to earlier, where so it's season one, episode 4, where they go on an away mission and they just stretch it out for 45 minutes because it's the world's 1st away mission.

917
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:28.380
Unless I've misremembered it.

918
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:32.400
Well, that sounds incredible. and we'll be able to do a direct comparison with this.

919
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

920
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.480
So this is this is the 4th episode.

921
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:43.320
And it may actually be, I think the way that they counted is that Broken Bow is one and two.

922
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:48.480
This isn't the one where trip has a baby, is it?

923
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:51.239
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

924
01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:52.139
That's hilarious.

925
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.119
What a shame.

926
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.880
Okay, strange new worlds.

927
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:57.900
I don't remember a thing about it.

928
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.400
All right, okay.

929
01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:00.239
So we're doing that.

930
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:10.619
So next time we see you, uh, we'll be on board Enterprise, as I like to call it, uh, watching episode 4 Strange New World.

931
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.460
I have to say, I have absolute faith of the heart about this.

932
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.260
I love that.

933
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:17.940
I'll be singing along next week.

934
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:28.739
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

935
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:35.159
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

936
01:03:35.219 --> 01:03:40.739
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

937
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:46.559
This episode was recorded on the 1st of November 2021 and released on the 3rd of December.

938
01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:51.239
We'll see you next time for Enterprises, Strange New World.