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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is a little bit of a historical moment, well, a

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historical moment.

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I'm not quite sure which, because there are now, what, over 800

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episodes of Star Trek, right?

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That is terrifying.

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We've got to get through them all.

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We do, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I'll be long dead.

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But, um, this is actually the 3rd one, to be made.

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So, like you have the cage, like the original pilot that doesn't

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air until much later and is sort of chopped up to create the

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menagerie part one and two.

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And then you have where no man has gone before, which is the 2nd

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pilot, which isn't the 1st episode to air.

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And then this one is the 3rd one ever made.

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And this is kind of where it all starts to cohere into the series

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that kind of continues from this point on.

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However, it's very confusing because you said to me the other day

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yes, this is the, you know, this is the 3rd episode, how

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exciting.

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And then I'm looking for it on next, and it's like episode 10.

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Yeah, of which after painstaking research that took me many, many

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days, I discovered that this was May 3rd, it was aired 10th

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because there was extensive effects work, and I watched the

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version on Netflix with new effects, but I've seen the version of

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the old effects, and for the time they're extraordinary.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about that because I think that's

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actually a super interesting topic of conversation.

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I have to say just going in, spoilers, that I really enjoyed

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this.

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I do think it's paced very slow and perhaps slower.

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I mean, I think even than other Star Trek, the original series

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episodes.

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The thing that, now, we have a love of random trek by Scott

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McNulty, and we will continue to mention this man's name until he

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invites us on.

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Sorry, Scott.

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I hope you're listening to this.

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If not, I'm going to act you.

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But he, like, he makes a really good point that at 50 minutes

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pretty much every single original series episode, is about 10

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minutes too long. and there is some flab.

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I'd say this is about 20 minutes too long.

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Like there's a lot of and there's a lot of deliberate doing

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nothing because they can't do anything.

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That's the point.

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But after like 50 minutes of that, you're like, okay, well, yeah

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we need to bloody do something now, you know.

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Well, I mean, the episode that we watched last time was 55 minutes

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long, which was the Discovery episode because it's on a streaming

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service and so it can be as long or as short as it likes.

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And of course, that's the thing, and it's a thing that I always

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think the advantage that discovery has over other treks is that

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we've got better at making television and we've got better at

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consuming it.

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And so there are all sorts of things available to discovery that

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just aren't available to the original series.

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But you and I have a long history of watching incredibly cheap

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vintage television as Doctor Who fans.

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And this is more colourful and visually more impressive, generally

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speaking than what Doctor Who was doing at the same time.

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Well, it's very strange, you know, because I think you're right in

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what you say there, and clearly they've got more money.

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It's all on film.

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It is more expensively made.

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I don't think it's anywhere near as atmospheric as the best of

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black and white Doctor Who, which was coming out concurrently.

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Um, So I think, I think there is absolutely something to that

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Black Knight era of Doctor Who.

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That Star Trek doesn't have it.

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What they have here is the ability to kind of wow the audience

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with set pieces and things like that, which, you know, I don't

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think there's intervenience science fiction.

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There was nothing in science fiction doing that at all, was there

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at the time, you know?

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So I said to you this morning, going into this, I could see

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absolutely why this captured people.

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Yeah, and that was my overwhelming feeling as well.

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Uh, My husband's been watching Young Sheldon, which is sort of

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very gentle and, uh, you know, not great, but not at all terrible

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uh, American, sort of dramity, I guess.

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And just seeing Little Sheldon watch Star Trek sort of very early

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on knowing how obsessed he would become with it.

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And this reminded me of that.

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I could just imagine 10 year olds, 12 year olds, whatever watching

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this and just ending up with a lifelong love of this show.

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So it's a tiny bit ropey in all sorts of ways, but it's absolutely

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great.

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It is.

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It's original, like, especially with modern day reading, it is

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troubling in so many ways.

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Oh, we'll get there too.

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But like my mum was one of those.

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My mum was young children, you know, and she said, and this was

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kind of, this was rerun a few times and she washed it through

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every single time was absolutely, she used to go around her, her

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little mate's house and they used to sit there and watch it on a

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black and white TV so they weren't singing it in like full

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technicolour.

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But it absolutely, it captured her, absolutely captured that.

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And she was straight there for Next Generation because she had

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that memory of that love of Star Trek when she was younger.

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Yeah.

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By the way, we have managed to talk for 10 minutes and not mention

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the episode that we were actually talking about.

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Well, it's in everyone's podcatcher.

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So it's the Corbamite maneuver.

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And it was 1st broadcast.

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I have the date right here on the 10th of November 1966.

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Do you know, as soon as I hear, the court might maneuver.

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There's only one thing, I think, about.

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What's that?

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Clint Howard.

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No. da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

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Oh, my word, the score.

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The music is so good.

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It's so great.

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Compared to what we mostly get on 90s trek, this music is really

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really trivic.

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And a bit cheesy as well.

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I'm completely ready to skip into the Corp might maneuver

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reviewer.

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Yep, absolutely.

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All right.

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I've got it queued up.

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So I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Let's go.

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So what do you think of the new effects?

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So we can see the enterprise here.

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This is like the 1st shot, I think, from the pilot.

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Yeah, I think they are very...

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Oh, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm going to ignore your question

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immediately.

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And just talk about that incredible camera angle there that shoots

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up into the ceiling and down into the panel.

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And I know I know you...

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You complain when they do this on discovery.

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I complain when they start running around people in discovery in

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circles constantly.

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And I'm taking, you know, giddy sickness tablets.

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But that's just that's just a visually striking way of setting a

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scene because now the cameras are quite, you know, state.

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The new effects.

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I think they are very, very good and they don't go too far, i.e

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they don't try and make it, um, too out of what they possibly

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could have achieved at the time if they had the techniques.

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Um, so it's there are similar effects.

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They just look cleaner and then they just look more stylish.

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Yeah, yeah. they're sort of sympathetic, I think.

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My, my kind of feeling is, you know, this is important TV and it

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would be a bad thing if we couldn't watch the original version, but

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it's not Shakespeare.

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And if we if we can do something to keep it alive, you know, to

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keep future generations watching it.

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Because my memory of it when I was a kid was that some of the

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episodes were in a pretty bad state and you would put them on and

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they were, they just looked shockingly bad.

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And so this remaster with these new effects, I think, has

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increased, you know, the lifespan of this show.

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The 1st time I saw the original series cleaned up was DS9's trials

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and tribulations, and I was like, my God, this looks so good.

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They cleaned up the original series episodes, it would look really

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striking and it does.

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I've got a question for you straight off the bat.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think I had this really strong impression watching this of

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people at work in space, yeah?

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Now, in 90s trek, I feel like we, you know, it's, it's a very kind

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of frenzy.

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It's like a group of people that love, you know, get on and then

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just hang out on the bridge and have adventures.

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This just felt like these people were genuinely doing like a 9 to

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five, but in space.

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I kind of like that, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think that's kind of the premise.

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All right, here we go.

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This is the 1st time that we get these titles with Kirk's Space

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the Final Frontiers Space.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's one of many firsts in this. but yeah.

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It's definitely the 1st time that happens.

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And, you know, that's iconic, right?

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Picard, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They do it in the films over and over again.

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Wasn't there a discovery episode where they did a TOS sequel which

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had a voiceover at the beginning.

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Oh, I can't remember now.

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Oh, shame on you, Nathan.

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Honestly, no.

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I know.

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Why am I not rewatching that?

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rely on you for this information, you know.

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Because they do end up going to Psi 2000 or whatever the, the, um

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planet from the cage.

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I can't remember if it's that.

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Oh, that was a, that was fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, so I think, you know, the revolving cube in a way, which is

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casting light on the Enterprise here in this updated effect shot

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is just terribly striking an interesting.

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It's a surprising visual.

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You know, it's not a spaceship.

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And maybe they, oh, Christ, Kirk Scottish shirt off.

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Yeah, no, he gets his shirt off, right?

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And he walks all the way through the corridors.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, onto the fridge.

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I mean, he doesn't make it to the bridge. is already meteoric at

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this point.

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He's like, no, I've been working out. going to show it off, all

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right?

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Do you think that cube is a precursor?

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Like, I got very strong.

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Borg vibes because they say at one point we can't outrun it.

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We can't do it. and these are exact lines that Q says to Picard in

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Q Hu about the ball cube when it 1st appears.

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Yeah, except that what's striking about that.

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Like, it's like they're, they're being chased by these sort of

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geometric solids, you know, they're not comprehensible.

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The Borg cube has, you know, pipes and wires and lights and they

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go over to the cube, don't they?

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And, you know, there's the baby in the incapator and clearly

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terrible things are happening.

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Like, it's, it's bad.

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Whereas this is very benign.

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But that's kind of interesting as well.

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How do we feel about Kirk here with his shirt off?

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No objections, really?

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I'm more concerned about the heavy makeup he's got in his face, if

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I'm honest.

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No, that's true.

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I mean, anyone who looked like him who got their shirt off on a TV

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show now would be immediately hauled off to prison probably, or

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fat camp, but he, I think he looks pretty good.

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And...

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I mean, I like a man with a little bit of a time in my monitor

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beer, you know, insecurities and all that.

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Look how busy these corridors are.

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I mean, what is that man doing feeling the wall at the back?

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Did you see him?

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Look at him just walking through with his shirt draped over his

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shoulders showing everyone his stomach.

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I've got to say, though, this is why this is why it's so much

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cooler than Picard, all right?

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Carl would never walk around with his hairy white chest out, would

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he?

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Well, do you remember when Picard, is it in Starship Mine?

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Or in 1st contact where he gets his shirt off and he's been

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working out.

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Captain's Holiday. draped in this, like, shawl with his chest out

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the whole...

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Oh, man.

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Now this character here, Bailey.

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Okay.

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Really, really interesting because he's like the Reg Barclay of

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the original series.

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I know we don't see him again after this, but it's the same sort

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of it.

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We don't often get characters like this that are struggling.

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Like regular Star Trek characters that are struggling to perform

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within the Star Trek universe.

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I really liked this angle in this episode.

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Yeah, I did too.

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And it's, like, it's not terrifically strong character work, but

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it is like, it is interesting and particularly, I like the

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contrast between him and Spock.

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You know, we had that little bit of banter between him and Spock

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where Spock kind of completely cuts him dead.

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But I also like, um, there's the whole idea of Kirk and McCoy

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talking about him. and that Kirk's pushing him too hard. because

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he wants to see what he's made out of and he pushes him so hard

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that later on.

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He has a complete meltdown on the bridge, you know, of very

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dramatic proportions.

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Yeah, it's super interesting too, because it gives Kirk some, there

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there's your steady cam, uh, uh, camera into the bridge.

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Yeah, it's really impressive.

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Here's our 1st Uhura moment.

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Can I just say, like, this is a bit of a cliche to say this, but

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Michelle Nichols is so beautiful.

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Isn't she?

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And you know what?

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And I don't ever want to take away the importance of having a

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person of colour in an important role set in the future. you know

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like, um, the, the, Whoopi Goldberg is also young Sheldon in this

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as well, watching this, and, and, and it pushes her in a new

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direction in her life because this was so eye-opening.

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She says she was sitting there and screaming out to her mum, mum

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mum, there's a black woman on the TV, you know, and she's not a

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maid.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is pretty great.

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I mean, you know, Star Trek has always sort of tried to have

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diverse casts, I think.

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And this, you know, because you've got Sulu here as well.

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Um, and and there are sort of black extras in uniforms sort of

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wandering around and stuff and, you know, next season we get check

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off to kind of indicate.

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Chekhov's like the wharf of TOS because it's like we've had this

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war and now it's over and he's one of us.

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You know, all of that stuff is particularly great, I think.

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I do have a question for you, though, because we were talking

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about queer representation in forget me not last week.

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Now, obviously, to have a personal colour in a position like this

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at the time was, you know, huge and hugely different from the norm

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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Why couldn't they do that with queer representation as well?

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They were bold enough to do this.

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Why didn't they do that as well?

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Yeah, I mean.

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I just don't think it was a thing in the 60s at all, was it?

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Was there a queer representation on television that wasn't sort of

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comedy characters?

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Oh, really?

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Even in the 70s, if I'm honest, there were, you know, Mr. Humphreys

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are you being certain things like that?

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But it's all it's all like a parody of that sort of person rather

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than...

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Yeah, so this is this our 1st sort of observation lounge thing

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only their observation lounge has no fucking windows in it, you

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know.

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Did you see Ahura sitting there?

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She looks super bored.

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Now, if Council Troy or Beverly Crusher, look that bored when

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Picard was talking, he'd have a few things to say.

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It also as well.

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It is very strange to see Ahura in gold.

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I'm so used to seeing her in red.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, they're cute.

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Yeah, we can't hear the music.

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This is the one bad thing about doing this with the sound down.

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Yes, that's right.

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That xylophone is going crazy right now.

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So it's doing a lot of the job of making this tense because

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essentially there's no action here.

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This is a bunch of people sitting in a room talking and it's

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entirely what we call word peril on flight through entirety.

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You know, there's no, there's no kind of visible threat.

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And so they're just relying on the acting and the music, I think

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to produce that.

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Does that make this the 1st Star Trek bottle show?

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It does, doesn't it?

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Yeah, well, I guess so.

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They don't go anywhere.

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No one beams down or anything.

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But it's not like TOS can't do action because there's a ton of

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action in TOS.

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There's lots of fights, you know, there's lots of stuff that they

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punch the money to do it.

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Think of arena.

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The whole thing's a massive fight on there in the desert.

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But I mean, it doesn't mean they lean more into characterisation.

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And I find that, you know me, that's my inning Star Trek.

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So I found that really interesting here.

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I also think too, that this episode and we'll get there does a

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very good job of stating the purpose of the show.

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Like as a mission statement.

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You know, at the point, at this point, they haven't even yet

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invented the Federation, right?

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Right.

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They could, what do they call it?

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They call it something else.

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There's something.

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In fact, the Baylock or whatever, Baylock?

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I want to say Blaylock, but that's that's Tapol.

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Like he's from a thing called the Federation, isn't he?

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So they haven't...

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When he said that at the end, I was so confused.

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I was like, okay.

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Yeah, you know what they hadn't?

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At the beginning of this, they say that there are no star maps for

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the area of space that they're in.

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So this is literally into the unknown they're going into here.

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It's what Star Trek Discovery is doing in series three.

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But I mean, it is the, it's the, you know, to explore strange new

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worlds to seek out new life and new civilisation.

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So this is, you know, this is our 1st kind of business as usual

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episode.

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You know, we've had 2 pilots and then we do this.

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And so this is very clearly them doing, you know, kind of stating

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what they want the show to be able to be.

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And in a way, like this is like a submarine film, isn't it?

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You know, they're in a vessel and someone's panicking and they

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have to sort of fire weapons and stuff.

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Oh, that... visually it leans into that as well because the lights

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come down and it's kind of red lit, isn't it?

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when it's when they're in danger So it is, you know, basically

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hunt for red October.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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There are some top quality throwing themselves around the set

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happening just there.

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You'll always get that in TOS, you know.

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Sometimes I randomly throw myself around my house, you know

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because I've been attacked by a false on torpedo.

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Oh, as I was going to say.

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Yeah, sorry.

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So that whole thing about going into the unknown.

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TOS then populates this aerospace over time.

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Then next generation does the same thing.

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It takes the same weld, but it gives them, you know, huge amounts

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of depth compared to this.

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Um, and then they have to start making excuses to go into the

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unknown. you've got the wormhole in DS 9.

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You've got the Delta Quadrant in Voyager, you've got the, what is

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it, the expanse in Enterprise, and then you're going into the

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future in Discovery.

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Yeah, Discovery.

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Because they want to lean into the same premise so that, you know

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we don't know what's out there.

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But, um, this and TNG do such a good job of, of basically creating

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the alpha quadrant in a lot of detail.

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Yeah, well, I mean, the problem now is you've got memory alpha

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with detailed articles on literally everything that's ever

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happened in Star Trek.

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And so there is no unknown.

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There's nowhere to fit those stories anymore.

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And this is what I talked about last week a little bit, I think

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that there is a problem now with 800 episodes and trek continuity

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being so kind of rigid.

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Yeah, terrifying.

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No, I know you're saying that sarcastically. but let's not

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forget.

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I get all my trivia from memory alpha, okay?

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It's an incredibly useful resource.

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Thank you to everybody out there to contribute.

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No, no, I agree.

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I agree.

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Oh, okay, so I've got a question for you about the trio of Kirk

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and Spock and Bones.

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This is McCoy's 1st episode.

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Watching this, I could never have told.

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This is where he came in.

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He is he is incredibly good.

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And you have 3 incredibly strong leads, I think. in, you know, in

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these three.

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Um, And what I like about it is that they all represent very

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strong positions.

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You know, they're well characterised, partly through the actors

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performances, but also because, as happens here, as is established

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here, Spock is kind of emotionless, and we'll talk more about that

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later, and we see him in charge.

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Um, you know, like Kirk's drinking right now, for God's sake, God

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knows.

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Well, dice, this this really made me feel like, you know, this was

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an established relationship because it's it's very relaxed.

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It's kind of gently mocking like friends are, you know?

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Yeah, no, it's really very well done.

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And so, you know, you've got an alien and a human.

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You've got someone who's emotionless, you've got someone who is

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you know, grumpy and, you know, concerned about human welfare and

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all of that sort of thing.

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And then you've got someone trying to decide between them in the

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middle.

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I think, um, De Forrest Kelly is the funniest actor in the show

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and he delivers his lines, like, he's like the Nicholas Courtney

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of this show.

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You know, he delivers his line with comic rock.

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I am sometimes a little concerned by his characterisation which

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virtues on, you know, space racism.

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He is so toxic to spock at times.

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Yeah. it just won't give him a chance.

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And sometimes I'm like, okay, they've decided this is his main

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characteristic and they just push it and push it.

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As the show gets less subtle as it goes along and you're hit into

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series 3, when people are kind of taking their eye off the scripts

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he's a bit of a bully.

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Right.

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But, but, you know, like his relationship with Spocky's

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antagonistic because their interests are different and they

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represent different points of view.

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It's almost like the 3 of them sort of, you know, they're like, you

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know, ego and super ego or something.

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You know, enough why you're here.

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But really, don't you think?

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You know, you've got Spock who's sort of supremely rational, you've

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got, um, McCoy who's driven by emotion and then you've got Kirk

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there who has to chart between them and make a sort of decision.

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Yeah.

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And you know, I also want to say, no, like the best of that

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characterisation, McCoy and Spock.

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It's like the best of Star Trek, you know, and how they learn from

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each other.

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And that kind of grudging affection relationship has been repeated

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in every single style.

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Like, that is a formula that works.

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Odo and Quark.

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I hate to say it, but Neelix and Chewbok.

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Um, Let's see, immersive we got.

500
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.960
Who are the who's like the bones and spock of discovery?

501
00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:41.579
Well, I don't know.

502
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.759
I mean, there's a sort of antagonistic and friendly relationship

503
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:47.160
between Tilly and Stammets, isn't there?

504
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:51.660
And Stamets is kind of grumpy and a little bit prickly and she's

505
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.819
sort of very human.

506
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.680
I would have said stammets and that.

507
00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.779
The female character, the engineer.

508
00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.400
Yeah, Tilly, Tilly.

509
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.799
Oh, Jet Reno.

510
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:02.279
Yeah.

511
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.799
That's more antagonistic.

512
00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:06.539
Well, it doesn't happen quite so much.

513
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.619
He's not in it all the time.

514
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.839
So now he's the 2nd of our geometric shapes, regular geometric

515
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:13.259
shapes.

516
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.599
This effect shot is really, I really love this.

517
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.839
Like, when I 1st watched this, I wasn't sure if I was watching the

518
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.119
original or not, and I was like, and I got to this bit, and I was

519
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.799
like, 0 no, I'm watching the new effects now.

520
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:24.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.519
There's a lot of detail there.

522
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:31.200
You said to me and forget me not, you know, about how previously

523
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.359
Star Trek didn't really throw weird imagery at you.

524
00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:34.140
That's pretty weird.

525
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.059
That is pretty weird.

526
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.859
And the original is weirder.

527
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.880
In fact, this makes it a little bit more obvious that it's a

528
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.859
constructed object.

529
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.920
You know, you can see like under those dome things.

530
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.539
You can see pipes and stuff running.

531
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.480
So that's actually a bit of a shame because it was a bit more

532
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.480
abstract and that was one of the things that was interesting about

533
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:54.720
it.

534
00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:58.319
I was getting like a bit of a beehive feel about it with all those

535
00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.460
different segments, you know.

536
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.359
Yep.

537
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.880
Never very far from my thoughts.

538
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:04.079
No, I know.

539
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:11.759
But what I really like about this is, they can't, like, Spock

540
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.960
sorry, Spock, Kirk often comes from a position of power, right?

541
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:18.000
I've got my weapons on you.

542
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.680
He's all very he's very gung-ho.

543
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.920
But with this thing, yeah, which isn't even talking at the

544
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.160
moment.

545
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.420
They can't escape it.

546
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.920
They can't get away from it.

547
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:27.299
They can't negotiate with it.

548
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.359
They can't attack it and they can't even intimidate it.

549
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.660
So they've got to try and figure it out and I like the puzzle.

550
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.220
Yeah, yeah.

551
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:40.200
And, you know, it is like spoiler alert, they get out of it

552
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.420
because he does something clever.

553
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:49.200
And that's, you know, for an action adventure show aimed at, you

554
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.400
know, teenage boys probably. you know, doing that rather than

555
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.019
outgunning the enemy.

556
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.220
That's a good thing.

557
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:56.819
I think.

558
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.200
But again, it's very unusual for Star Trek.

559
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:06.720
Like, I think it's unusual to have a puzzle this simple as well.

560
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:08.039
Like this thing is in front of us.

561
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:09.660
How do we communicate with it?

562
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.140
And essentially, you know, the ultimate conclusion is just be

563
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:13.740
nice.

564
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.500
You know, it's just this kid, and let's just be nice to be

565
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:17.279
friendly with him, you know?

566
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:20.880
Well, and that's the mission statement of the show, though, isn't

567
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.119
it?

568
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:24.720
That is the we are here to make peace.

569
00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:26.099
We are explorers.

570
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.980
Uh, you know, we don't start fights.

571
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:33.420
Are you talking about seeking out new lives and new

572
00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:34.200
civilisations?

573
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.619
Although there is a there is a quite a strong masculine word in

574
00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:40.799
the next statement to boldly go where no one has gone before?

575
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:43.440
Yeah, but you know, like I like that.

576
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:46.740
And, you know, Catherine Janeway boldly goes.

577
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.599
So does Michael.

578
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.339
Heck, I certainly does.

579
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:54.059
I love her series 3 hair.

580
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:54.720
I have to say.

581
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.039
There's some great.

582
00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.519
We still haven't seen as we record, we still haven't seen

583
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.640
Discovery Series 4, but some of the promotional images have some

584
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.200
really terrific hair happening.

585
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:05.880
So I'm looking forward to.

586
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:06.960
You know what I love?

587
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:08.099
The voices started talking now.

588
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.460
Yeah, Baylock's voice or the faux Baylock voice.

589
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.799
And it's that kind of RP.

590
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:14.640
Isn't it?

591
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:15.539
very posh.

592
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:16.559
Hello?

593
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.099
You will be destroyed.

594
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:24.119
All Star Trek aliens sound like this in TOS.

595
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.220
I just think they...

596
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:27.480
How many computers do?

597
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.480
No.

599
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:32.279
That's that's just normal.

600
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:34.440
Oh, Mr. Mr. Bailey's.

601
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:35.880
No, he's starting to lose it.

602
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:37.500
Oh, there you go.

603
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:38.519
We throwing ourselves around again.

604
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.759
Oh, that's a that was a great one from Kirk.

605
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:44.279
Shall we write them?

606
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:47.039
as we watch the TOS episodes. about the same accent.

607
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:51.900
I mean, I'm convinced I'm never going to see anyone doing anything

608
00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:54.599
as a depth as that man who was stroking the wall in the corridor

609
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:54.900
scene.

610
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.460
I don't know why you're doing that.

611
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.720
No, who knows?

612
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:01.920
He's probably friends with it I think...

613
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.900
And look, the alien, because this is sort of America in the 1960s

614
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.079
the alien is giving them time to prey before.

615
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.759
Before he blows them up, which is pretty great.

616
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:20.220
I bet Baylock's having great fun, you know, on the intercom.

617
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.140
I'm going wind them right up.

618
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.900
And then and then I'm going to offer them a drink.

619
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:27.599
She does at the end of the episode.

620
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:28.680
Yeah, yeah.

621
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:35.759
So it's it is this simple thing because it's our 3rd episode.

622
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:39.720
We're doing something so simple that we would never, ever be able

623
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:40.799
to get away with later.

624
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.819
And I think the Enterprise tries to pull this crap in its 1st

625
00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:47.400
series where it kind of goes, all right, we'll have an away

626
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.980
mission, but it'll be the 1st away mission ever.

627
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:54.599
And, uh, well, that's the episode, you know, and it just doesn't

628
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.079
quite land because there's a lot of episodes in Enterprise Series

629
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.079
one where not a lot happens and they're trying to lean into the

630
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.720
characterisation like this, but the characters just aren't as

631
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:03.960
strong.

632
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.160
Yeah.

633
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:06.539
I mean, yeah, yeah.

634
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.059
I mean, the characters are...

635
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:13.740
Like, they do have particular points of view, but at the moment it

636
00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:16.319
is mostly down to the performances.

637
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:22.079
And holy crap, can I just say that I don't think you hear people

638
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.940
praising William Shatner for his performance enough because I

639
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:29.640
think he is absolutely magnificent.

640
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:33.240
And like it may all go to hell in series three.

641
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:39.420
But, you know, he's like, it's actually a bit shocking when he

642
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:42.900
starts to tell Bailey off because he is the commander, but he is

643
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:48.420
the he's relaxed in a really interesting way, in a way that Picard

644
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:49.019
isn't.

645
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:52.079
And there's good humour there as well.

646
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:55.019
Like, he's often amused, like visibly amused.

647
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.500
I think with Shatner, and I've seen him go on and do, like

648
00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:01.380
terrific work in, like, is it Boston Legalism?

649
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.140
Um, the, Yeah, yeah. and in films as well.

650
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.900
He's he's done some terrifically funny roles in films.

651
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.299
At this point, yeah, there was a big buzz about Star Trek.

652
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.960
This was like a prestige show and he is giving it is all as if

653
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:17.519
he's doing just a regular drain.

654
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:21.359
He's giving a very naturalistic performance as Kirk.

655
00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:26.460
I don't think it's until series 3, like you said, where there's

656
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.160
lots of behind the scenes difficulties, it's clear this isn't

657
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.180
going to run for much longer.

658
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.859
The scripts are lousy and he just cuts loose and comes like madly

659
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:35.400
over the top.

660
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:39.359
But like, like, in the episode after, I think it's the episode

661
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:43.079
that was filmed after this, the one way he's split into 2 and uh

662
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:44.759
it's good Kirk and Backo.

663
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.539
And there was every, every single opportunity there of him to

664
00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:49.799
completely ham it up.

665
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:55.559
He's bloody terrifying as the evil kirk and he brings it down.

666
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.819
He doesn't overplay it.

667
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.099
So I think throughout the whole of series one.

668
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.099
He's given it his all, like, like everything Shatner has to give

669
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:02.700
and that's a lot.

670
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.920
Yeah, he is really good.

671
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:09.839
Now, Bailey is losing his shit now, and he's doing some really

672
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.819
incredible hand acting.

673
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:12.480
Look at that.

674
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:14.339
He's sweat.

675
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.440
He's like, he's like someone pleading in a high school play.

676
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.539
My work's very good.

677
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:26.460
But work's on enough. frustrating in front of you here.

678
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:31.680
But it is, I do like the fact that he has a meltdown, like

679
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.940
publicly as well.

680
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.579
And then and then they kind of have to deal with the fallout of

681
00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:35.759
that.

682
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:37.619
Like Kirk's like, oh, balls.

683
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.720
I, you know, I've, I have pushed him too far.

684
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:44.220
And McCoy actually, McCoy points that out and says, yeah, yeah, you

685
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:44.700
did wrong.

686
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:45.839
No, it's your fault.

687
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:46.859
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

688
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.019
But look how steely he looks there.

689
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:54.119
Actually, this is also not a popular opinion, but I think Shatner

690
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.980
is actually fairly pretty at this age too.

691
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.839
Oh, sure, very, very good looking in those eyes and stuff.

692
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:08.279
But it's not a sort of show is populated by very prissy men.

693
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:09.660
Sulu is very pretty.

694
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.859
Chekov is very pretty.

695
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.319
Oh, the hair doesn't help.

696
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.940
I love that.

697
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:16.200
I love that monkey's hair.

698
00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:17.160
What you talking about?

699
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:21.000
Obviously, Ahura is very prissy.

700
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:23.519
Look at his eyes.

702
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.700
You know, he does wear like a lot of makeup and stuff like that.

703
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:28.680
Okay, they're tapes.

704
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.019
They haven't invented isolinear chips yet.

705
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.119
And so all their records are on tapes.

706
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.079
But it's like you said the other day, right?

707
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:37.799
Imagine.

708
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:41.220
Imagine, because obviously Discovery is set before this.

709
00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:45.059
Yeah, yeah. in the timeline, imagine if they'd gone back and done

710
00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:46.200
this technology again.

711
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:48.539
Yeah, people were complaining.

712
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.000
People were complaining about that and I just thought that's

713
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:51.839
baffling.

714
00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:56.279
And part of it is too, that I think discovery wants to get away

715
00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:02.099
from the idea that it's not a TV show, you know, that it's a world

716
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:03.359
into things that happen.

717
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:07.799
You know, that it's not a viewport into the future or anything.

718
00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:09.420
It's a TV show about the future.

719
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.739
And so it plays with Star Trek and with its continuity, it has a

720
00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.179
really fractious relationship with it.

721
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.440
But I almost think that that skip into the future, not just in

722
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.699
narrative terms, by doing that, it allows them to visually just go

723
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:27.900
mad and be as creative as they want and as modern as they want, you

724
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:28.079
know.

725
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:29.159
Yeah.

726
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.119
Yeah.

727
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:30.840
Yeah.

728
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:31.739
I agree.

729
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.519
What, you see, you see the console, the screens at the back there

730
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.340
with the lights kind of, it's all about.

731
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.900
They don't do anything.

732
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.579
Okay, it's just pretty.

733
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.800
Pure, okay, tech, really.

734
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.719
Well, I don't know.

735
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:51.780
Look, you know, again, Star Trek the Next Generation kind of has a

736
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:54.119
better story for the screens, doesn't it?

737
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:56.880
But even there, just sort of flashing lights behind glass.

738
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.059
Don't you even come at me saying that that next generation bridge

739
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:01.019
sets better than this.

740
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:02.940
It's so boring compared.

741
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:03.719
This is so colourful.

742
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:04.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:09.420
Well, remember when Discovery recreated the, the, the enterprise

744
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:13.619
bridge and just lent into the red, you know, the red door and the

745
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:14.820
red railings and stuff.

746
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.440
And it made it look like a, you know, the bridge of a ship from

747
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.400
that show made in, you know, 2018 or whatever.

748
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:27.900
Every time 90s trek went back to the original relics when they

749
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:30.300
went onto the bridge with Scotty.

750
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.980
In the last season of Enterprise, they had the Mirror Universe

751
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:38.639
episode, which lent into all that TOS design work.

752
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.840
It just highlights just how much more efficiently interesting this

753
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.159
is, the 90s.

754
00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:46.980
Well, it's, you know, Paul.

755
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.360
It's simple and it's colourful.

756
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:49.559
It's pleasing on the eye.

757
00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:52.920
And I'll tell you what, the way that's designed at circular, it

758
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.320
allows them to shoot from every single angle.

759
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:59.280
It's an interesting set to shoot the episode in.

760
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.900
Yeah, and the sort of primary colours and stuff are kind of nice.

761
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:09.239
I just think too that, you know, that sort of 60s design, like who

762
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.500
doesn't have a soft spot for how, you know, interior decorating?

763
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:19.440
But like, but like even how they shoot like TNG, because it's

765
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.780
always the cameras always wear the viewscreen.

766
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.800
It's shooting at everyone, sat in manoeuvred positions, so they're

767
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.300
all like, it's so boring.

768
00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:31.019
I know it's comfortable, but it's like compared to this where he's

769
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:33.960
coming in over his shoulder and it's zooming up for noises.

770
00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:35.460
Yeah.

772
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.960
I didn't think I'd be watching TOS and saying, wow, this is more

773
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.400
visually interesting than what happens in 20 years time, but in

774
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.059
some places it is.

775
00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:49.800
Well, I mean, it's telling that they never go back to a TNG style

776
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:55.980
bridge and that, you know, the next ship, you know, that Voyager

777
00:36:55.980 --> 00:37:01.440
is flat and circular and, you know, doesn't have massive empty

778
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.780
spaces for the cameras to move around in.

779
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:08.280
And the defiant in DSI is literally a submarine, isn't it?

780
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:11.880
Like, when that comes down and the red lights come on.

781
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:13.380
It is, it is, yeah.

782
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.659
Okay, I've completely lost track of what's occurring now. happening

783
00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:19.199
in the episode?

784
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:21.960
Well, no, this is the Corbamite maneuver.

785
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.179
So it is him telling lies about Corbamite.

786
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.800
And threatening him.

787
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:35.039
Um, did we have the bit?

788
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:42.659
Did we talk all the way through the bit where Spock, um, So

789
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:46.860
there's there's 2 striking moments for Spock, one is the poker

790
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:47.280
thing.

791
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:48.900
You know, where they're talking about poker.

792
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:55.260
And that gives Jim the idea of how to deal with this or is that

793
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:55.860
yet to come?

794
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.539
Because this looks like a blast.

795
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.320
No, but that's that is something that they nick ad nauseam in 90s

796
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.420
trek, that kind of the tortured metaphor.

797
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

798
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:08.099
But this is our 1st one so we can kind of forgive it.

799
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:08.940
Get away with it.

800
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.179
Yeah.

801
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:13.440
And that line there.

802
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.480
West boxes.

803
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.239
Baylock is reminiscent of his father.

804
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:22.500
And you kind of think, holy crap, there's, you know, decades of

805
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:24.059
possible therapy there.

806
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:25.079
You know?

807
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:32.039
There's a wonderful bit of trivia that is relevant to a scene

808
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:32.699
coming up now.

809
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:40.679
Um, where in the script, Spock is uh, said to react fearfully to

810
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.940
the Balok puppet that appears on the screen, and the director said

811
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.340
to Leonard NY, do not play it like that.

812
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.440
I want you to just look at it and be like, fascinating and be

813
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.480
intrigued rather than terrified.

814
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.179
And like you said to me before we press record.

815
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.940
That is literally how they characterise the Vulcans.

816
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.820
And it was improvised in this episode.

817
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:07.019
It's pretty incredible how contingent it all is.

818
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:11.099
You know, we wouldn't have had the Vulcans, the way that we do, if

819
00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:14.159
it wasn't for that particular moment.

820
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:16.800
I love this too.

821
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:17.579
He's gone away.

822
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.840
He's had a bit of a cry in his quarters, Mr. Bailey, and now he's

823
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:22.260
back.

824
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.739
And look at Jim's smile.

825
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.619
Like he doesn't give anything away to Bailey.

826
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.760
Like permission granted, but there is a sort of curl of his lip

827
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:38.219
where, you know, he's just been told off by McCoy.

828
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.079
Just saw what he slick thing.

829
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:44.039
He slipped back into his seat like a naughty child, like, okay, I'm

830
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:44.699
back, guys.

831
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.000
Hi.

832
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.900
But you know, in AT&G episode, the meltdown would happen like in

833
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:55.380
the final act and that it would almost be like for showing that

834
00:39:55.380 --> 00:39:56.400
emotion, that's it.

835
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:57.239
You out of the episode now.

836
00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:58.320
I don't think they do that.

837
00:39:58.380 --> 00:39:58.860
Yeah, yeah.

838
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.500
You know, the coda of him coming back.

839
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:03.960
No that's right.

840
00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:07.199
I'm desperate to know which is, I sent you before I wrote a bet.

841
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:10.920
In this episode, they filmed a reaction shot of George TK.

842
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:14.760
Um, looking at the screen, then turning to Kirk, and then they

843
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.119
just reused it in countless episodes going in, I wonder which shot

844
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.079
is. should have been keeping an eye out.

845
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.059
Well, they couldn't film a new shot of George Decay reacting all

846
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:27.360
the time.

847
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:31.860
Ah, unless unless they thought, well, maybe he would only be in

848
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.460
this one episode.

849
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.739
Oh, no, I think it's kind of like, oh, crap, we need someone to

850
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:41.099
react to this or shall we get the old shot of George out of the

851
00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:42.780
can and use that?

852
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.219
Like they find they don't have coverage or something.

853
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.079
Someone forgot to shoot anyone reacting to the giant green hand

854
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.960
holding the enterprise source section or something.

855
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.000
This is true as well.

856
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.760
Like throughout the episode, even I think they space it apart a

857
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.500
bit too long.

858
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.519
You know, we have the cube and then we have the weird geodesic

859
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.260
thing and then we have the creature.

860
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.559
So it is kind of building, it's getting more dramatic as it goes

861
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:10.860
along.

862
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:15.300
But it's like 20 minutes between each drop, you know, like...

863
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:16.440
Yeah, yeah.

864
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:17.219
Yeah.

865
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.900
Yeah, look at his smile there.

866
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.420
He's so excited.

867
00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:28.980
And it like the original Spock as well, from the cage, he had like

868
00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:31.199
a much more sort of demonic look, didn't he?

869
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:32.699
And he was very emotional.

870
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.239
It was number one in the cage that was the emotionless character.

871
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.260
Yeah.

872
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.960
Well, there's a moment here where he says he's sorry and then he

873
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.139
corrects himself and, you know, says he regrets something.

874
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:43.920
Instead.

875
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:48.059
You know, like he's he's already kind of there, isn't he?

876
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.139
And he does, he, you know, cuts Bailey down in conversation

877
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:53.280
earlier on in the bridge.

878
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:56.760
Can I tell you a story very quickly about this creature that's on

879
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:57.239
the screen right now?

880
00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:58.260
Yeah.

881
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:03.119
The fake bail. generations of kids Well, okay, so I obviously came

882
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.980
into Star Trek via the next generation.

883
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.880
Okay, so I asked for a Star Trek video for my birthday, okay?

884
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:14.519
And I could see it wrapped up and it was clearly a VHS and I

885
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.280
unwrapped it on my birthday with absolute excitement. you know, 0

886
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.460
my god, it's going to be justice and when the bowel breaks or

887
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:21.480
something amazing like that.

888
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:23.159
And what was there?

889
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:25.320
An original Star Trek video.

890
00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:27.780
Oh my, and I was absolutely devastated.

891
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.619
I'm like, what's it?

892
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:29.460
I don't want to watch this.

893
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.320
What is the new one, right?

894
00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:33.900
Obviously I'm young. 9 years old at this point.

895
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.159
Um, and very unreasonable. as a lot of children are at that age.

896
00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:40.199
Anyways, I watched the episode.

897
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:44.039
With my sister and at the end of the episodes, isn't it?

898
00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:46.559
There's the Baylock creature on the credits, right?

899
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:50.639
Well, that just made my day because honest to God, that Baylock

900
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.260
Christian looks like my nanny Ford.

901
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.380
She was miserable looking at that.

902
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.039
And we always just put that little bit on and goes, Nanny Ford

903
00:42:59.039 --> 00:42:59.760
it's Nanny Ford.

904
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:04.920
I don't know why that's relevant to anything, but as soon as I saw

905
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.500
it on the screen, I'm like, 0 my god, it's nanny four.

906
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:12.239
Well, I've heard, like, countless people talk about being scared

907
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.960
shitless by the still photo of that in the closing credits.

908
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.400
Like, it is a thing.

909
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.840
She honestly, she looked as miserable as that creature.

910
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.800
All the time.

911
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.320
Look, we just got a reaction shot of Janet, and we didn't talk

912
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:28.980
about her before.

913
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.719
I'm sorry, Janice.

914
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.039
They're in the middle of a...

915
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:34.500
They're in the middle of a bloody crisis and she's just coming

916
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:35.159
with some coffee.

917
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:39.239
No, she hates it with a phaser in the galley.

919
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:42.420
You know, I thought you might be a bit stressed, doing some

920
00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:42.840
caffeine.

921
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:44.760
You just get out of my face.

922
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:46.980
Like he says in this, doesn't he?

923
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.980
So initially I was like, oh, okay, this is a bit sex. you know

924
00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:52.260
he's got this woman pampering after him.

925
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.739
But he says he says, I can't believe they gave me a female

926
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:56.639
yeoman.

927
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.760
So there's clearly male ones as well.

928
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.739
Yeah, yeah.

929
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.800
But I mean, that doesn't take away from the fact that, you know

930
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.099
for the next 3 years we see her sort of carrying clipboards and

931
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:10.679
trays of drink and stuff all over the place.

932
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.420
No, she doesn't make it past series one.

933
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.679
Oh, doesn't she?

934
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:15.420
She's written out in series one.

935
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.519
Yeah. something happened behind the scenes.

936
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:22.320
They weren't happy with her and she is summarily executed from the

937
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:22.559
series.

938
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:27.179
They bring her back in one of the films and she's shockingly bad.

939
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.360
No, as bad as when they brought her back in Voyager.

940
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.179
Well, you can't even tell who it is anymore.

941
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.679
You know, like, I don't know, people age.

942
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:37.559
I'm not going to be mean about that, but No, no, have a back.

943
00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:41.099
But she walks in with this like tea tray going, hello, young

944
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:44.579
cadets, ready for another exciting day in the Federation or

945
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:44.940
something.

946
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:45.900
Oh, it's ghastly.

947
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.659
I hope we get that episode soon.

948
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:53.340
So now we have our 3rd thing.

949
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.079
It's a little cluster of balls.

950
00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.719
It's shuttle.

951
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:00.239
Well, that's what that's all we have.

952
00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:03.960
I know what you're talking about, actually. politics.

953
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:09.119
Oh, God, there's so much going on in that. all those consoles

954
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.219
bleeping and lighting on and off.

955
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.659
Do you know what?

956
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:15.000
For the next generation, you know, when they sort of touch all the

957
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.880
buttons. because there's no indication of what any of it does.

958
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.599
I just thought it was the most sophisticated technology that I'd

959
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.639
ever seen in my life. which seems coloured lives.

960
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:25.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.360
Well, we didn't really have touchscreens then.

962
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:29.159
There were those sort of terrible...

963
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.300
I don't know what you call them, but the ones that relied on

964
00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:35.460
pressure and stuff instead of the capacity of ones.

965
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:39.239
I would also that point out, though, I was given a Rubik's cue and

966
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.519
a speak and spell, and I thought those were the height of

967
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:42.300
technology as well.

968
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.360
So you know, I was easily impressed as a child.

969
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.840
Well, they were back then, I guess.

970
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:52.139
Okay, so they're following this, what, is it like a shuttle

971
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:52.800
leading them somewhere?

972
00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

973
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

974
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:55.619
Yeah, no.

975
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.860
And again, it just seems to be kind of playing out the running

976
00:45:58.860 --> 00:45:59.820
time at this point.

977
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:05.880
You know, like the threat of death, which I thought was good

978
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.320
because it was kind of like hugely abstract, and it is a little

979
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:16.980
bit like that 1st encounter with the Borg in TNG or the maybe at

980
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:19.980
best of both worlds, where they're kind of relentless and they

981
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:21.900
don't respond to anything that you do.

982
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.780
Like there's nothing, they're kind of impassable.

983
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.900
You can't, you can't affect them in any way.

984
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.300
And I thought that was really good.

985
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.880
And I think that that is the sort of thing that would have

986
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:38.880
terrified me as a child because it's that scary, deep voice and it

987
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.420
is the, you know, you're going to die in a mysterious way that

988
00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:46.619
we're not going to specify and there's nothing that you can do to

989
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:47.280
stop it.

990
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:55.260
And I, you know, I think that Star Trek, the Next Generation tends

991
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.320
to be a little bit more kind of, oh, God, look at those guys.

992
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.460
Oh, yes.

993
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.440
They're holding up the wall, those ones.

994
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.639
Not even against him.

995
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:06.239
Yeah, but I think this is scarier than I think this is sometimes

996
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.400
than next gen.

997
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:12.960
Except for that episode where Negulum appears on the view screen

998
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.559
the unknowable face and turns Dr. Pulaski and a puppet and she

999
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.460
starts dancing around.

1000
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.139
That's hilarious Oh my god.

1001
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:20.880
But also as well.

1002
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:25.260
I've lamented the fact that not a lot happens in this episode, but

1003
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:29.340
I actually want to nick something that you say quite a lot in a

1004
00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:30.599
lot of podcasting and that is.

1005
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.280
Sometimes it's just nice to be with these characters and we're

1006
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.159
early in the run and these are great characters to spend time

1007
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:38.400
with.

1008
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.460
So if I'm going to spend time doing nothing.

1009
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.400
I'd like to do it with the original series ensemble because

1010
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:45.539
they're really fun to be around.

1011
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.699
Yeah, no I think that's fair enough.

1012
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.519
Did you say Leonard Nimmo at the back of the set?

1013
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.780
They're kind of like, dramatically wobbling against the wall

1014
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:55.619
hilarious.

1015
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:02.519
Deforest is doing it in that.

1016
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:04.619
No, Egypt's like, he looks like he's sitting on a washing

1017
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:06.599
machine.

1018
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:08.460
Oh no, no.

1019
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.079
No, no, no, it looks like he's wanking.

1020
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:11.280
Oh, come on, this is too much.

1021
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:14.460
Oh, we're at Mason.

1022
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.380
We are going to have so much fun with TOS.

1023
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.099
I can just tell.

1024
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:22.500
Because also as well, it's all 90s strike is a little bit

1025
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:26.940
apologetic and wants to be kind of serious, whereas TOS is happy

1026
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:28.320
to just go for it, you know?

1027
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.920
Yeah, and I actually think that instinct is right.

1028
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:36.480
I think there's no, you know, like, like TNG goes out of its way

1029
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.880
to distance itself from TOS, doesn't it?

1030
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:41.519
Like there are no Vulcans until, you know, much.

1031
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:42.900
Oh, well, series 2, I guess.

1032
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.519
Oh, wow, look at that model shot.

1033
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.760
I think you'll find that CGI, Nathan.

1034
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.139
Yes, I know.

1035
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:49.800
I know.

1036
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:51.059
Well, computer models.

1037
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:56.940
Um, uh, you know, they avoid Vulcans, they avoid Andorians and, you

1038
00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:58.380
know, Tellerites and stuff like that.

1039
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.559
But then subsequent series that just loved, you know, TOS and the

1040
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.639
current iteration of Star Trek under Kurtzman is full of massive

1041
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:09.480
fans of it.

1042
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:10.679
It's constantly being right.

1043
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:11.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1044
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:16.860
I'm thinking DSI as well, Ron Moore and Ira Bear were huge fans of

1045
00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:17.400
DSI.

1046
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:21.659
So there are in jokes and references. in loads of episodes, you

1047
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:21.900
know?

1048
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.280
Um, I'm going to tell you a fact you may not know about the court

1049
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.000
my maneuver.

1050
00:49:27.059 --> 00:49:27.900
Oh, yeah.

1051
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.719
This was nominated for a Hugo Award.

1052
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:31.800
Oh, really?

1053
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.820
1967.

1054
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:34.980
Now, I want to tell you some other episodes.

1055
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.760
I think the Inner Light won the Hugo Award that year.

1056
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:43.920
I know DS9 is the visitor was nominated for a Hugo Award.

1057
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:48.780
Um, like, it's a prestigious thing to be nominated for a Hugo

1058
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:49.260
Award.

1059
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.420
And this is super early in its run.

1060
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

1061
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:56.760
Well, I mean, it's sort of...

1062
00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:00.000
Well, you know, in series one, I've got to chosen this one

1063
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.179
though.

1064
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.159
Obviously, I would have gone to see him the edge of forever.

1065
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.800
Is that in series one?

1066
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.139
It's right near the end of the series one.

1067
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.219
Right, right.

1068
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.079
Yeah, I mean, that is very good and is, you know, rightly

1069
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:18.420
acclaimed despite the possible subtext.

1070
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:26.639
But, um, like, this is simple, and it is the thing that says what

1071
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:32.760
Star Trek's going to be, that we are explorers and that our job is

1072
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:34.260
meeting you people.

1073
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.239
He just said it there.

1074
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.239
He literally just said it in that scene to seek out new life.

1075
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:43.679
And then he says, can we live up for those high-handed words, you

1076
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:43.920
know?

1077
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:44.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1078
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.480
Yeah.

1079
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:47.579
So there's something super weird too.

1080
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.820
As if something about Bailey has been left out, as if it had been

1081
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:53.940
established in his character that he wanted to seek out the

1082
00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:58.739
unknown or something, you know, because it's like a special treat

1083
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:04.679
to Bailey to be sent on the mission, you know, that away mission

1084
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.559
to go and see who the alien is.

1085
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.599
And, you know, maybe that's implied.

1086
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.019
This is like we said, though, this this is in that kind of weird

1087
00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:16.619
gestation period where they haven't really made up the rules yet

1088
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:16.920
you know?

1089
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:18.059
Yeah, that's right.

1090
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:18.659
That's right.

1091
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.860
So maybe at this point it's just Kirk and Spock and McCoy, they're

1092
00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:24.420
allowed to go down and visit planets, you know.

1093
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:28.500
I don't even think the cliche about the red shirts is in.

1094
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.539
Oh, no, in the man trap, there's a red shirt that gets killed

1095
00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:31.260
right at the beginning.

1096
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:31.679
I remember.

1097
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:32.340
Oh, really?

1098
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.699
episode one. is insanely hot Latino.

1099
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:37.019
Oh, really?

1100
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:39.000
Broke my heart when he died, honestly.

1101
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.659
But look as well, like, like, there's a, there's an Asian

1102
00:51:42.659 --> 00:51:48.719
character there at the, at the, so they're bending down on the

1103
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.340
transporter because there's a low roof when they arrive, but

1104
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:58.260
they've just beamed them under, like, in a doorway. they just beam

1105
00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.619
them like a foot further to the front, they could have stood up

1106
00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:02.099
straight.

1107
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.480
In fact, here they are.

1108
00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:05.400
Yeah, I was going to say.

1109
00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:09.239
I was going to say, typically the design of the set, like informed

1110
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.880
how they had to be on the pad, but no, not...

1111
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.059
Okay, I love this set.

1112
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.980
Holy cracking about.

1113
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.139
Stu, that's been fucking weird.

1114
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.480
This scene now is wonderfully weird.

1115
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:23.579
Yeah, yeah, Clint Howard.

1116
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:29.639
Yeah, lip syncing dialogue and doing it, like better than any drag

1117
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.320
artist on RuPaul's Drag Race.

1118
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:31.860
I'm telling you.

1119
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.260
Well, is it?

1120
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.860
yeah, yeah.

1121
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.659
So this is, I know.

1122
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.000
So, Clint Howard.

1123
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.679
Oh, sorry.

1124
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.420
He's a bit chilling.

1125
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.500
I think he's a bit scary.

1126
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:47.940
So that's Ron Howard's older brother, is that right?

1127
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.599
Did I dream that?

1128
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.280
Is Ron Howard from Happy Days?

1129
00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:51.300
Is that Ron Howard?

1130
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:52.320
Yeah.

1132
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:52.920
Yeah.

1133
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:56.099
And, you know, he's a director and so on.

1134
00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:01.559
He has been in other episodes of Star Trek.

1135
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:07.079
He is in Deep Space 9 and his most recent appearance.

1136
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.940
Do you know who he is now?

1137
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.679
Oh my god, he's not the crazy from past tense who goes, whoosh, I'm

1138
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.219
invisible.

1139
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.239
Is he that guy?

1140
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.320
Oh, I can't.

1141
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:16.920
I think he is.

1142
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:17.699
I think he is.

1143
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:21.420
He is the angry.

1144
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:28.320
He's a sort of angry Orion in the, I think it's um, I think it

1145
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:32.579
might be the season finale of series one of Discovery.

1146
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.059
So he has been in discovery.

1147
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.199
So they've got him back.

1148
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:42.179
So he's got a very, very, very long Star Trek.

1149
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.119
There are weird connections with happy days, you know, because

1150
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.880
Anderson Williams, who was in happy days.

1151
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:50.159
I can't remember which character he played.

1152
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:52.860
Um, he went on to direct.

1153
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.719
He directs the DS9 episode.

1154
00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:55.980
It's only a Paper Moon.

1155
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.000
Pots, yeah.

1156
00:53:57.059 --> 00:53:57.659
Ah, yes.

1157
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.340
And that's a phenomenal episode.

1158
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. prolific director.

1159
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.400
Yeah, so now they're drinking.

1160
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.039
I have to point out, it's grapefruit juice. memory appetising

1161
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:08.280
that.

1162
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.139
Yeah, it's not alcoholic.

1163
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.059
Apparently what it's called.

1164
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.840
Clint Howard had to do his best possible acting because he loathed

1165
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.800
grapefruit juice.

1166
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:20.760
You know where he's going, oh, 1st Latronya.

1167
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.340
Tranya, that's right.

1168
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.139
Space grapefruit juice.

1169
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:28.679
What it is.

1170
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:30.000
Ah, it's awesome.

1171
00:54:30.539 --> 00:54:37.440
And look at that, Kirk, again, just that, you know, he's he's

1172
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:37.980
amused.

1173
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.480
It's wonderful to watch.

1174
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:43.739
It's a terrific episode for Kurt, isn't it?

1175
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:47.579
He literally had to rely on intelligence with, and now good humour

1176
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:48.300
you know?

1177
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:53.039
I'm worried by how many fillings Clint Howard has for someone so

1178
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:53.400
young.

1179
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:57.239
It just seems to be, um, I'm worried about those bushy eyebrows

1180
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:57.780
he's got.

1181
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.639
Yeah, they might not be his.

1182
00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:01.440
And they didn't shave the kid's head.

1183
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:03.179
Did you say they might not be in?

1184
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:03.900
No kidding.

1185
00:55:04.739 --> 00:55:08.340
Well, I don't think the bald baldness is him either.

1186
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.860
I think they've just...

1187
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.840
Sometimes you're all sarcastic is very thin.

1188
00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:19.139
You're right about the set, though, because it's got a bizarre

1189
00:55:19.139 --> 00:55:20.820
ending where they all just walk off together.

1190
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:23.099
But they walk around the exterior of the set.

1191
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.940
So there's all this negative space full of curtains.

1192
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.340
It's very, very stylish and very period, you know.

1193
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:38.039
Why did we lose this ability to use, like, bold colours, like

1194
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:38.340
this?

1195
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.619
everything's so muted these days?

1196
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:47.880
Yeah, I think, you know, I think next gen reacts against the bolt

1197
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.360
because these primary colours and stuff seem to be here because

1198
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.119
you know, it's colour on television and so you're going to see the

1199
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:54.539
colours.

1200
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.840
There's one thing I will say about next journey is incredibly

1201
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.320
beige.

1202
00:55:58.380 --> 00:55:59.760
Very beige.

1203
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:00.420
Yeah, yeah.

1204
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.739
In more ways than one.

1205
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:05.820
Yes, well that's it.

1206
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.219
They're just going to walk around.

1207
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.059
Yeah, yeah.

1208
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:09.780
That's all they build.

1209
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.719
Well, it kind of ends with them building a friendship.

1210
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:14.699
I don't know why, I just thought that was really lovely.

1211
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:20.039
And not the payoff you're probably expecting after 45 minutes of

1212
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.059
suspense buildup.

1213
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:26.880
Yeah, no, that's some, you know, that's that's what Star Trek is.

1214
00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:27.900
There's Baylock there.

1215
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.239
Oh, yeah, 94, their shoes.

1216
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.619
Yeah, honestly.

1217
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:36.000
I'd go round her house and she'd be there without face saying, get

1218
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:36.480
in the garden.

1219
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.440
I don't want you in there.

1220
00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:41.159
Oh, my word.

1221
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:42.900
Okay, so I thought that was incredibly enjoyable.

1222
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1223
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:47.219
I think it's a really good episode and I think there's a reason

1224
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:52.920
why we're here. uh, you know, like 56 years later talking about it

1225
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:59.099
and still watching many TV shows um based on it.

1226
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.619
It's, uh, it's an amazing bit of work.

1227
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:03.659
Is it interesting that you say that, you know, I'm going to

1228
00:57:03.659 --> 00:57:05.340
contradict you slightly.

1229
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.179
I think we're here because of the next generation.

1230
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:10.679
That's why we're here doing this now.

1231
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:15.539
Like, I think Trek, Trek found this audience, it was culturally

1232
00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:21.480
very important, but it did die a very horrible death in that last

1233
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:21.960
season.

1234
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:23.639
And then it was just sort of times away.

1235
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:24.599
Then the movies came back.

1236
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.579
Yeah, and they were popular.

1237
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:32.099
Next gen here and that was popular on a level that's original Star

1238
00:57:32.099 --> 00:57:33.300
Trek could probably only dream of.

1239
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:38.280
And that kicked off all of those other spinoffs, you know.

1240
00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:42.059
And that's why we're here, really. is that there's a wealth of...

1241
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:43.980
But I think...

1242
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:50.880
But you know, you don't get those 6 feature films or whatever and

1243
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:56.820
you don't get a massive kind of spinoff from something that just

1244
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:00.960
hasn't embedded itself in cultural memory.

1245
00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:04.199
You know, we were talking about young Sheldon watching it.

1246
00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:07.139
You know, all of those kids who watched it and loved it, the

1247
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:10.920
letter writing campaigns when it was cancelled.

1248
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.900
You know, it was never really forgotten, and it was always, always

1249
00:58:15.900 --> 00:58:20.460
repeated, and it was really something special and unusual, and

1250
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:24.300
that was what they were trying to recreate, I think, in the 1980s

1251
00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:25.860
when...

1252
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:26.639
Gen bag.

1253
00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:31.380
TOS cliches that have embedded themselves into society, like that

1254
00:58:31.380 --> 00:58:34.500
doesn't happen by accident, you know, beat me up, Scotty, the red

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shirt.

1256
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:39.480
Like, God, Jim, you know, like, I'm a doctor, not a, you know, all

1257
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of those things that people remember.

1258
00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:45.179
Um, my gosh, I can't waste in the next TOS after that.

1259
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.340
Yeah, that's gonna be fun, isn't it?

1260
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.440
Well, Joe, it's time for us to choose what we're going to watch

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next time.

1262
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:22.800
And my original plan, given that as we record, only one episode of

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00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.219
Star Trek Prodigy has aired, I was going to just choose Star Trek

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00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:29.460
Prodigy and let it choose the pilot, which is called Lost and

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Found.

1266
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.679
But I was cheating on a new level for us.

1267
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.599
It is absolutely cheating.

1268
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:40.440
I would be randomly choosing from the one episode of that show

1269
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.239
currently in the randomiser.

1270
00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:49.619
But of the kind of big flagship Star Trek shows, there is only one

1271
00:59:49.619 --> 00:59:51.719
of them that we haven't done an episode from.

1272
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:55.260
No, I'm one of them that we've been avoiding.

1273
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.119
Well, yeah.

1274
00:59:57.179 --> 00:59:57.599
Yeah.

1275
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:04.440
So this is not hugely loved by me, but it's still Star Trek, you

1276
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.000
know, and all of that.

1277
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.159
Star Trek.

1278
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:08.699
Yeah, guys.

1279
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.599
Yeah, I'm actually going to say that when I went back to review

1280
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:17.519
random episodes of Star Trek from my blog, I thought that it was

1281
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:18.960
absolutely a game of 2 halves.

1282
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:25.980
The 1st half was dreary beyond comparison and series 3 gave the

1283
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:30.900
show a massive shot up the arse and series 4 was incredibly good

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01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:31.500
television.

1285
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.099
So if we get latter half enterprise, there's a good chance we

1286
01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:36.179
might get something good.

1287
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:37.559
All right.

1288
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:40.800
Well, I'm in charge of the randomiser and I'm doing, look, I've

1289
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:43.320
done a randomiser redesign, which no one on the video can see

1290
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:43.860
there it is.

1291
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.139
So that's probably what it looks like when you go there.

1292
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:46.920
Very, very sexy.

1293
01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:48.840
I've still got more to do on it.

1294
01:00:48.900 --> 01:00:52.380
So by the time you see it, it'll probably be...

1295
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.320
It is a fact, dear listener, that Nathan can tinker about with

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01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:56.039
websites.

1297
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.260
It's absolutely one of its favourite things to do.

1298
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.719
Yeah, yeah, it's my hobby.

1299
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:03.539
Just call me Wesley Crusher.

1300
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:04.679
All right, here goes.

1301
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:12.659
Okay, I have literally no idea what this is, but it is season

1302
01:01:12.659 --> 01:01:13.440
three.

1303
01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:15.000
Oh my god.

1304
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:15.599
Okay, what is it?

1305
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:18.119
It's hatchery.

1306
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.699
Oh, no.

1307
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:26.820
Oh, it's the one where Archer gets taken over by space aliens.

1308
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:29.219
Oh, do they lay it in?

1309
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.599
is really boring.

1310
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:32.519
It's like one of the most boring episodes of that season.

1311
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:33.659
Okay, roll it again.

1312
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:34.800
All right.

1313
01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:40.079
The augments from series four.

1314
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.400
That's a 3 parter.

1315
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:48.480
Well, we're not doing a three-parter, but we can we just do the

1316
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:49.199
augments, though?

1317
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:52.440
I thought our rule was, if it's a two-parter, we do both of them

1318
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.239
if it's a 3 parter.

1319
01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:57.360
It may be that one. middle of a trilogy, though.

1320
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:00.420
All right, I'll roll again.

1321
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:07.800
Oh, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier in this

1322
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:08.699
episode.

1323
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.539
So this is an episode called Strange New World, which is

1324
01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:17.880
absolutely the episode that I was referring to earlier, where so

1325
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.659
it's season one, episode 4, where they go on an away mission and

1326
01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:25.079
they just stretch it out for 45 minutes because it's the world's

1327
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:26.099
1st away mission.

1328
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:28.380
Unless I've misremembered it.

1329
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.500
Well, that sounds incredible. and we'll be able to do a direct

1330
01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:32.400
comparison with this.

1331
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1332
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.480
So this is this is the 4th episode.

1333
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.980
And it may actually be, I think the way that they counted is that

1334
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:43.320
Broken Bow is one and two.

1335
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:48.480
This isn't the one where trip has a baby, is it?

1336
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:51.239
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1337
01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:52.139
That's hilarious.

1338
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.119
What a shame.

1339
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.880
Okay, strange new worlds.

1340
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:57.900
I don't remember a thing about it.

1341
01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.400
All right, okay.

1342
01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:00.239
So we're doing that.

1343
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:07.199
So next time we see you, uh, we'll be on board Enterprise, as I

1344
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.619
like to call it, uh, watching episode 4 Strange New World.

1345
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.460
I have to say, I have absolute faith of the heart about this.

1346
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.260
I love that.

1347
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:17.940
I'll be singing along next week.

1348
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.480
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1349
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.739
and Nathan Bottomley.

1350
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:32.340
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where

1351
01:03:32.340 --> 01:03:35.159
you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1352
01:03:35.219 --> 01:03:38.940
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1353
01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.739
composed by Cameron Lamb.

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01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.300
This episode was recorded on the 1st of November 2021 and released

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01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:46.559
on the 3rd of December.

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We'll see you next time for Enterprises, Strange New World.