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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is a particularly exciting episode for us because this is

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perhaps one of the most iconic episodes of the original series.

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Well, didn't you say this has been alluded to in a lot of other

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pop culture?

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Was it in an episode of Futurama?

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Yeah, well, the big music queue, which we're obviously going to go

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on and on about over the next hour a bit, is used in a Futurama

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episode to underscore a sort of fight to the death that happens.

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Fry must be involved.

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I can't remember the details.

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And of course, Strange New Worlds actually takes a lot of kind of

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Spock's background and backstory and stuff from this episode.

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And to Pring, who we talked about a few weeks ago when we did an

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episode of Strangely Worlds, you know, had a beautiful role in

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that, this is us seeing her for the very 1st time.

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I've got to be honest.

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I obviously haven't watched all of Strange New Wells, and I

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certainly haven't watched all of the original series, but having

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seen that relationship portrayed in the Serene Squaw a couple of

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weeks back and then watching a mock time and doing it in that

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order, but the latest one and then the history of it, it all kind

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of fitted together perfectly.

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I was like, wow, this is Kurtzmanchek is genuinely adding layers

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to what we've already seen.

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And that's really like, I never would have foreseen that happening

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doing this.

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Yeah, yeah, they all sort of coming together like a little jigsaw

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puzzle.

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It's really neat.

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I mean, even the character of Christine Chappell as well, who gets

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foregrounded in this episode, is largely a reaction in Strangely

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Worlds against Majel Barrett's portrayal of her here, where she's

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a little bit kind of pathetic.

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It seems terrible to say that about a character play.

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I can't really like...

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Who characters do not seem like the same character to me.

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What happened to that, you know, exciting brave young woman in

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strangely wells to turn her into this meek sort of puppy lusting

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after Spock?

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I just think we have to take it as that was the sort of portrayal

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of a major female character that was acceptable on television in

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the 1960s and we're not going to do that here now in 2022.

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No, I'll tell you what, it'd be through that super now. should be

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straight in those karate shopping and all sorts, you know?

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That's right.

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Getting a hypospray and just dropping him to the ground.

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But with a mock time.

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This was originally supposed to be in the 1st season of Star Trek

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and the studio execs, they wanted this one rushed into production

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because they became aware really early that Leonard Nimoy Spock

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was the most popular character on the show.

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So they wanted it out.

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And the writer whose name eludes me right now was notorious for

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delayed scriptwriting.

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And I can I tell you what, because actually this feels a lot of

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Star Trek episodes feel like they've been knocked out, you know

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like someone's been there in a day.

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Like, right, okay, that will do.

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This actually feels quite crafted.

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I feel like there was a bit of thought put into this and he did

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have a bit of extra time.

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But yeah, so this got the 1st part of the 2nd season and I think

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it's an absolute mission statement that Spock got both the

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beginning of season 2 and unfortunately the beginning of season 3

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of which the 2 episodes are slightly kind of diverse in quality, I

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would say.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, and in fact, Spock is kind of backgrounded in Spock's brain

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which we've obviously done.

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But here he gets to do things he's never done before.

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And it's really great.

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I mean, he's so good in her.

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And not just when he's being angry, but all the time.

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Lots of people. really had a chance to really spotlight Nemo

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because Spock's brain doesn't, does it?

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He's just basically a walking automaton or a disembodied hate.

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Stupid, you know, threat. going captain, you know, come to the

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brain or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Terrible.

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Whereas here he got, yeah, you're right.

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You got a chance to emote in lots of different ways.

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And, Nathan, this could have been really terrible.

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Like some of the things he's asked to do.

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You know, my heart is on fire. and all this stuff.

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It could have been.

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If Shatner was doing this, it would have been a very different

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episode.

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But Neeboy sort of contains it all, doesn't he?

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And and I just, I really bought into what he was going through

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because it's, what, is this puberty?

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So it's kind of funny, isn't it?

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Because this is, I think there's more to it than puberty and I

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think there is something about sexuality that I think is really

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interesting in, you know, like locating this particular ritual and

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this kind of drive to Vulcans.

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I think is interesting and does say something about how we think

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of sex and sexuality, I think.

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But I was portrayed like as a metaphor for puberty, because it's

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like all those all those violent emotions coming out.

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Sure, suddenly you're massively horny, you know, like.

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Yeah, yeah, but I think it's more I think it's more than puberty.

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I do think it is just human sexuality is like that.

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And I think we'll get onto that.

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But it is also something that we've come back to.

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So we have blood fever, don't we, in Voyager.

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Very divisive episode.

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But actually, it's doing something quite interesting because it's

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B'lana that goes through.

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Catches it off.

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She catches it off.

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Is that his name for it?

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fucking Tom Paris and obviously we head down that rabbit hole for

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the rest of the series.

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Yeah.

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So, so that, and I think the eologium is the same thing where Kess

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has a drive that's part of her developmental thing and we talked

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about that the other day, but I'm also thinking of the awful where

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Borders has, he has to head back to his home planet to do a

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massive Wii once a year. and like he's got this sort of drive to

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do that. and there's no way that that's not the pond far.

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They're more honest on the audience.

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Do you remember Portis?

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Waiting out that massive like addiction to gay porn.

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And he kept going in.

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I feel like sexuality in the orball.

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It's just a very, it's very realistic, whereas in Star Trek, it, it

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does have to be couched in metaphor a little bit, doesn't it?

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Yeah, well, so actually in these a little bit.

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Yeah, they're a little bit more relaxed about it now.

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But certainly... a fair few sex episodes lately, you know.

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You're amazing.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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The randomiser must have some...

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Horny...

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That's right.

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Snering at 7th year.

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Do you remember in Voyager, when they, uh, the doctor sang the

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song about Chewbox, Pompha, in Tinker Tinner, Doctor Spy.

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I just do a little bit of it because it's so funny.

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Goes, so what is it?

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Tuvok, I understand.

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You are a Vulcan man.

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You have just gone without 47 years about.

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It's so funny.

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It's so great.

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Oh, listen.

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Does he, does he undergo the ponfart in Voyager as well?

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No, no, it happens in a comedy sequence, like in a dream

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sequence.

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Okay.

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Oh my god.

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What is it?

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It goes.

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Paris, please find a way to find a hyperspray.

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I will give you the sign.

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Just aim for his behind.

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It's so funny.

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It's brilliant.

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It's not. the doctor.

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Oh, of course.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so it is big, isn't it?

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Like this introduces a whole heap of stuff.

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It affects a lot of what's coming later.

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Yes, it does, yeah.

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This is a massively popular episode with the production team at

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the time.

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I think Gene Roddenbury said it was his in his top 10 favourites

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of the ones that were made whilst he was alive.

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The showrunner of series one of Picard, whose name alludes me, is

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quoted as saying that his father, considered it one of the 2 best

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Star Trek episodes of all time, and it was a very important place

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basically, it's just widely acknowledged as a bit of a classic.

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And I can see why because I watched this and I was excitedly

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texting you the whole time saying, this is fucking brilliant.

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It's really good.

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Alright.

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What do you think?

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Should we watch it?

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Oh I can't wait.

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I just love doing the original series, you know. so good.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Like the 1st 20 minutes, yeah, of like, you know, spot going

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through this sort of mystery emotions and them zinging back and

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forth between where they're supposed to be going and Vulcan.

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I mean, I thought this went on a little bit too long.

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We could have got to the planet a little quicker, but I love the

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jokes about them slingshotting back and forth all the time.

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This is the bit of the episode that I really like, and actually

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when it gets really camp and cheesy and we go down to the planet

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we're hitting each other with big sticks.

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Well, I think that's super enjoyable, but I think there's more

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solid acting in this 1st bit.

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I thought Dr. McCoy was so horrible to her in this scene.

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Yeah, I'm having a few issues with Dr. McCoy when we were watching

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this because he's he's like, oh, you still lusting after Spock?

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I know, it's so terrible.

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So play meat soup.

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You've never gave up hope to you.

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That's what he says.

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Yeah, that's miserable, isn't it?

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Fucking be professional, McCoy, just because she's a woman.

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Yeah, I can't fries anyone looks at him.

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That's right.

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No, I do love De Forrest Kelly and he can't help the lines he's

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given, you see?

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And he's good in this.

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He's really good in this, I think.

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I think the last thing we expected to do, though, was for Kirk and

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McCoy, through about to be smacked in the head with a bowl of soup

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coming projectile out of the out of the quarters in a second.

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It was great.

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I was like, oh what's going on?

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My interest was immediately peaked.

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What the hell is that going?

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Out the door.

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It's purple.

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Yeah, well, it's very famous.

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It's exactly what a horny Vulcan Well, in this case doesn't really

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feel like eating, I think.

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So he's getting calculated how many light days it's going to take

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for them to divert off their course so he can pop off to Vulcan.

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I love, you know what?

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Don't you laugh the intensity of the performances in the original

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truck?

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, we talked about that.

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You know, that thing where original trek is like heightened and

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melodramatic and that Strangely Worlds is what if original trek

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but everyone was a little bit more chill.

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A bit more relaxed.

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Yeah.

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And I think that works really well.

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But the, the kind of preposterous overplaying of it that you get.

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And I think Shatner does a fantastic job of that.

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He's super watchable in this.

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I think he's really good.

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Like, I think, magnificent, you said before, he can be, like, very

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relaxed as well around this team.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think I think he chooses his moments to be extremely intense.

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So I want to mention that I am watching the original version of

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this with no updated special effects.

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But when I was when I was preparing, I did watch the new special

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effects.

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So we're probably coming on then, we've, I think we've made our

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position clear, haven't we?

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We like them.

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We do.

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And I feel like there is an inclusion of a special effect in this

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episode that really seriously adds to the episode.

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But we'll talk about that when we get there.

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We're not there yet.

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No, you were talking about the spaceship opticals, you know, the

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exteriors of the spaceship.

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And they do look substantially better, even though they're not

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super flashy in the updated version, they're a lot better than

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what we got originally because of just what they were capable of

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doing.

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I think my point was, like, when a brand new special effect comes

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in that adds to like the visual splendour of the episode, that

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makes a like a genuine difference.

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Whereas kind of the model work is ropey, and obviously it's ropey

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1960, whatever, but it does at least explain the plot, you know, it

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gets just...

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At the time, it must have been pretty extraordinary.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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So here's Spock, in the very unfortunate position of having to try

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and explain.

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He can't quite do it, can he?

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He's going through.

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Well, but I think there are really, really properly good reasons

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for it that he gives, and he's absolutely unable to look at that.

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Look at the knife.

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Look at the knife in his hand, right?

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And he's shaking.

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Like, uh, Nemoy's shaking.

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From the front.

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It's completely you can't tell.

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He's just acting normally, but a bit more tense.

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The curt goes behind him and notice it, doesn't it?

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He notices it. doesn't say anything. and then just accepts his

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request.

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It's really good.

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Yeah, it's this shot here.

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He's just moving forward to fiddle with his terrible computer

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there.

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And he looks over...

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And just as he's saying...

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Because there's no acknowledgement at all.

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This would not happen in 90s trait, would it?

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like, you know, give me the knife to be explained.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So did I trust the audience back in the 60s?

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Look.

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That's the other thing here.

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The other thing here, too, is that they're friends.

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And that's that's something that this show celebrates, I think, is

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friendships between men.

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And, you know, that's, you know, there's plenty of friendships

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between men and other TV shows and stuff.

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But these people are just sort of colleagues.

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This is a workplace sitcom, isn't it?

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Star Trek?

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Well, a workplace something.

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In that scene there, Kirk knew that if he hadn't acquiesced, there

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was a good chance that that knife would have been plunged into his

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mouth.

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And he still books out the quarters and smiles at him.

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Well, he'd already made the decision, but he'd already made the

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decision and then he saw the knife and realised how serious it was

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but he had already said, let's set a course to Vulcan.

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So it didn't make him change his mind at all.

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There's a good chance that Michelle Nichols would not have been in

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this series, wasn't it?

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By the end of the 1st series.

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She was like, I had enough of this.

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And she was talking about going because it wasn't a very

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challenging role and was taught into staying by. by Dr. King, by

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Martin Luther King. yeah incredible.

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Which pretty incredible, isn't it?

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And, and, you know, this is the 1st, this is the 1st new trek that

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we've done since Nichelle died, I think.

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It is classic trek, rather.

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Yeah.

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You know, I think I, she's absolutely beautiful.

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And obviously she's just some incredible work outside of Star

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Trek.

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I really wish they'd utilised her character better.

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Yeah.

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Like, I feel like she gets some really fun stuff to do in the

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movies.

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And I know that sequence when she's on the rich, half naked

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singing the song to the part... love that so much.

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And like everybody else, she gets great things to do it in Star

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Trek 4.

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Everyone does.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But like, she wasn't really, she wasn't really utilised very well

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was she?

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No, no.

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And both later versions of the character, like Zoe Zeldana and

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Celia Gooding, have been linguists.

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You know, they haven't just been the ship's receptionist.

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They've been a sort of linguistics expert.

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And even Hoshi, I guess, on Enterprise.

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Well, it's interesting.

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Skip forward to Enterprise, and the Hoshi character is as

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neglected as Uhura is here.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Unless they're consistent.

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For the same reason, I think.

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They're just not very interested in women.

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So Mr. Spock has changed course again.

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So we've gone from Vulcan back to Altair 3 or 6 or whatever.

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And now we're going back...

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Vital mission, isn't it?

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We never find out really what it is.

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Well, it's installing the new government of the planet of Altair

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and there are going to be 3 starships there to show the federation

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support.

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And they suggest that that might have some effect on relations

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with the Klingons.

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You know, it might be a show of strength.

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Um, May I say?

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that, uh, this turbo lift set.

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Yeah.

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I think the original series has done a wonderful job of

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maintaining continuity with Strange New Worlds because this set

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looks almost exactly the same.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Strangely wells came first.

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So it did.

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I love the things, the handles, like the handles are there and

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it's just like, fuck it, we're having the handles in Strange

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Worlds. they look awesome, you know.

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We're not just going to walk into the lift and say computer bridge

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or whatever.

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Do you know, right?

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Even though you'll probably say the sets of the ends pros on

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particularly sophisticated, I find them so much more visually

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interesting than pretty much any 90s trek show.

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And as I was watching this, like earlier on in Spock's Quarters

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and he had this sort of shrine behind him with like red velvet

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drapes and this smoking altar, and I'm like, you just wouldn't

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have a sit like that on the Enterprise in TNG, you know?

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And think about that, right?

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This is in the episode where we're going to Vulcan for the 1st

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time.

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And this is an episode about, you know, the Vulcans who are super

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logical being overcome by sort of emotional urges or sexual urges

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or something.

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And in his quarters is a shrine, like a religious shrine, you know

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like...

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You don't see that again until Kira and DS 9.

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She got a shrine that she prays to in her courses.

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Yeah, and being religious is a hugely important part of her

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character, but he with Spock, you know, he's logical.

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So what's with the shrine?

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And I think that that is kind of just raising the question that

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the episode ends up addressing.

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Well, wasn't there, there was a criticism of carer, I think, in

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later that, you know, oh, no, Roddenberry was, you know, there's

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no religion in the future and all this, and we can't be, you can't

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be showing to be portraying that.

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And they really came back at that criticism and said, no, no, he

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never said that at all.

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It's, but none of the human characters are religious, are they?

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Or at least we don't learn that they are.

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No.

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In data's day.

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There's a celebration of Diwali, you know, the Festival of Lines.

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Ah yeah.

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But it's only mentioned in dialogue.

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We don't get to see it.

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And I guess this is...

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I don't want to bang on too much about this.

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And this is the last thing I'll probably say about the production

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design of the enterprise, but I just really love how this all

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looks.

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There's a lot of lighting from different directions, okay?

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So there are shadows everywhere.

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Watch how many it just makes it more interesting.

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In 90s strict, it's that kind of flat...

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Yeah, lighting, like a really strong key light, boring.

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Yeah.

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Whereas you're lighting the backgrounds around these people in a

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way that makes the shot interesting and gives it depth.

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And it's the 60s, which is stylish as fuck.

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Like it's the most gorgeously stylish steak 8 ever, I think.

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Do you remember that?

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That sort of silhouetted lighting in the doomsday machine to show

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how kind of damaged Decker was.

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You know, I just I just feel like this was being made quick, you

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know.

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It didn't have to look that good.

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And it was, you know, being shown.

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Was it syndicated at the time?

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I can't remember.

446
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I don't know.

447
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Yeah, I mean, it becomes syndicated, doesn't it?

448
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don't know.

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I think I think it was just for an original run.

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And then and then when it was indicated, that's when it really

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found its audience.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, that's enough of me in production hour.

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No, but I think that's it.

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And, you know, Star Trek ever since has had, has nodded had these

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nods to the 60s.

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In that 1st episode of Strange Shoe Worlds, where we see the Mess

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Hall or whatever, and it's made, it's all just full of beautiful

460
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60s style plastic, modernist plastic furniture. you just think, yes

461
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yes, you know, it is the 60s, I think.

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Do you know, I was very confused at Spock looking at that young

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picture of Dupring. what is going on here?

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And it's so funny because there's been trivia here.

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Wow, that's what I thought, but I think it's supposed to be spring

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isn't it?

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It is, yeah.

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The ear on her is absolutely massive, and that is because it was

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one of the adults ears that they borrowed and slapped on this

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little girl.

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Let her.

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You've been called the, ah, the best 1st officer in the flea.

473
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That was McCoy, I think, in a previous episode.

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Right, right.

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But this, look, and so he's, he's made the decision that he will

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just die, that he can't, see, there's that weird shrine in the

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background.

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That's where he's looking as he's talking about this.

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He's looking into this thing that represents his cultural

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traditions as he's talking about it.

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Is he not supposed to talk about it because Vulcans aren't

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supposed to talk about it to people outside of their race?

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No, not even to each other.

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They don't actually talk about it.

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So it's like sex was or used to be kind of before the 60s, I

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guess.

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You know, like the idea that we don't, and even now, there are

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things that we don't talk to talk about to people, you know, all

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the time that sex is is for us, as it is for the Vulcans, right?

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That it has to be, it's such a strong urge, it's such an important

491
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thing that all of these rituals and strange cultural things have

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grown up around it.

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And there are all these taboos about what can and can't be said

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about it.

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And that's what is causing him, like he just can't talk about it

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even here.

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And it's kind of funny, he says it has to do with biology.

498
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And Shatner goes, oh, biology, by biology, you mean fucking

499
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right?

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And, you know, biology, right?

501
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So even he can't say sex, like he doesn't even talk about sex or

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sexuality at all.

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And reproduction is what they land on.

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Yeah, yeah, they land on reproduction.

505
00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:48.720
And so and so for us, we're like this too.

506
00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:51.180
So that's why I don't think this is just puberty.

507
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.980
I think this is sexuality.

508
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.759
And if you think about sexuality, you know, like sometimes it's

509
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:02.640
like people ruin their lives because they can't resist having sex

510
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:06.720
with the wrong people, you know, like people destroy their

511
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.960
marriages or lose their jobs or whatever.

512
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.740
Well, I feel like if you're brought up in a household where that

513
00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:17.819
is a taboo and then you're obviously mature and somebody does have

514
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.220
it and it can absolutely fuck your life.

515
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.900
Yeah, yeah.

516
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.460
So, but it's not just that.

517
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.400
I mean, sex is a thing where it's like, yeah, sure, we'll do it

518
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.539
but I'll probably lose my job.

519
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.119
But then at other times you just don't want to do it because

520
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.000
you're in the middle of an interesting chapter or you want to play

521
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.019
Tetris or something.

522
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.940
You know, like it is...

523
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.319
You know my life well, honestly.

524
00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:40.740
You know, sex is a weird thing.

525
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:44.460
And so Vulcan culture has created all of these.

526
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:45.180
I know people like that.

527
00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:51.000
I know people like Spock that just cannot verbalise. the urges

528
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.839
that they have or explore it or understand it.

529
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:57.960
It's just something that they do and they're a bit embarrassed and

530
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:58.799
humiliated by it.

531
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.660
And it's quite sad, you know?

532
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:03.599
I mean, look at his description.

533
00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:05.339
Look at how he's describing it.

534
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.400
He's saying that we have...

535
00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:09.599
The area of civilisation.

536
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:13.799
These are the Vulcans, you know, who are more civilised than human

537
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:14.220
beings.

538
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.759
And so this is Kirk being the 1st human being to learn of the

539
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.200
ponfire, right?

540
00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:25.740
You know, um, no one's ever talked to anyone outside Vulcan about

541
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:25.920
it.

542
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.900
I want to point out, you know, Sterling...

543
00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:35.220
Can I just say the eel birds of Regulus 5 that also have this

544
00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:36.059
urge?

545
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.400
The eel birds of regular spy.

546
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.960
You were saying that, haven't we?

547
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:43.500
When you were like, when they give all these like alien exotic, and

548
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:45.720
then they just put in one human reference as well.

549
00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:47.460
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

550
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.700
Here, the pattern's not quite there because normally it's three.

551
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.299
Two of which are real and one of which is a space one, but here

552
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:56.339
you're not a fish, Mr. Spock.

553
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.539
I would like to highlight such sterling episodes of Star Trek as

554
00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:04.200
The Naked Now and fascinations from DS9.

555
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:07.980
And that one where to poll is going around Enterprise, literally

556
00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:10.140
trying to fuck everybody and it's like a horror movie.

557
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:15.119
Just to show that when sexuality is let on off the leash in Star

558
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.299
Trek, it can be really, really terrible.

559
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.160
Like, and then, whereas this shows you how it can be done, how it

560
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:26.039
can be done as a thoughtful piece as a mature piece.

561
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.259
Okay, yeah, I know you're not going to say that towards the end of

562
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:29.160
the episode when they're fighting.

563
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.420
Yeah, because, yeah, yeah.

564
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.140
But as a character drama rather than, you know, oh, we're all just

565
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:35.039
fucking, isn't that funny?

566
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:37.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

567
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:38.160
Yeah, that's right.

568
00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:42.779
I mean, like there's a sort of sophomoric and basically kind of, oh

569
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:45.960
we can do sex now and look at us and it's just super

570
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.619
embarrassing.

571
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.500
I don't think the original series shies away from sex.

572
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.099
It doesn't.

573
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:51.660
There's all romance at least.

574
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

575
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:54.420
Yeah.

576
00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:00.299
But this, I think, being very definitely a metaphor for just the

577
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:04.619
human sex drive and saying, all right, well, Vulcans are much more

578
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.339
logical than us.

579
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:10.079
They're much more civilised than us, but those things, those

580
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.799
taboos and stuff are there to restrain something that's much, much

581
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:19.019
more, um, animal and, you know, and that's, that's Canada now

582
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:20.220
isn't it like Vulcans?

583
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:21.480
It's not that they don't have emotions.

584
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:22.980
Oh, he broke his...

585
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:25.140
They deliberately repressed them.

586
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.039
Yeah, because he spends half his life meditating over a candle

587
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.980
just to try and keep his, you know, how much he wants to throttle

588
00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:32.700
Neelix in check.

589
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.079
Yeah, yeah.

590
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:35.519
I think he loves...

591
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:39.119
What are these bizarre skulls all over the wall in this office?

592
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:40.259
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:45.599
We thought that we thought that Jason Isaac, what was he, Captain

594
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.839
Walker was a weirdo for having a gone skeleton in his...

595
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.680
The best one ever.

596
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.500
Remember that episode of Picard in the alternative universe, where

597
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:56.160
then Scott, Gold Ducat Skull, and Martock, and Sarak, and

598
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:56.400
everybody.

599
00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:57.359
That was amazing.

600
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.380
Yeah, that's weird, isn't it?

601
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:05.400
I think there's one skull. 1st examples of, you know, the

602
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.980
bureaucratic Starfleet Admiral.

603
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.339
Yeah.

604
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:08.759
Yeah.

605
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:10.079
Nona Chea.

606
00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:10.680
I got to say.

607
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.920
No, he's a very colourless white guy, I'm afraid.

608
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.359
You know what?

609
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:18.359
One day I might press that randomiser until I get an episode

610
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.339
starring Admiral Nachayev, you know.

611
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.799
We'll be there a long time, but it'll be worth it.

612
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.900
So this is good too, isn't it?

613
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.660
I really like this and I had forgotten how it resolved itself, and

614
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:39.539
this is clearly something that they will do later, isn't it, in

615
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.880
Star Trek 3, where we are going to disobey an admiral.

616
00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:48.960
We're going to disobey staff orders for the sake of Spock.

617
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:52.259
Yeah, because he's he's my friend.

618
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.900
We haven't even mentioned Chekhov.

619
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:58.200
So this is Chekhov's 1st episode, right?

620
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:01.680
Let me say, he's not given much to do, but what he is given to

621
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:01.920
do.

622
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:05.220
We keep cutting back to check off on Zulu, and they're at the con

623
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.519
having to take the enterprise back and forth to me, whilst Kirk

624
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.680
keeps changing his mind, I'll tell you what, they're not getting

625
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:11.160
much about it.

626
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.599
I was quite very, laughing my head off.

627
00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:16.380
And then he's like, well, put in the coordinates to go back just

628
00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:16.799
in case.

629
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:17.940
He changes his mind again.

630
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.140
Yeah, yeah.

631
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:21.599
So what's happening in this scene?

632
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:23.819
So Nurse Chapel goes up to him.

633
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.140
No, it looks like they've post-corded.

634
00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:26.700
Doing to the touch him.

635
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:32.940
And then easy, like I can't work out quite what ends up happening

636
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:33.359
here.

637
00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:37.980
And, you know, again, she's got a single tear on her cheek.

638
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.700
I know.

639
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.559
And the violins are playing.

640
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.539
She's got that misty sort of camera work going on.

641
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

642
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.059
They would not debase women quite women this much these days, would

643
00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:48.299
they?

644
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:48.779
No.

645
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.059
Are you sure this isn't puberty?

646
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.400
He's been there like drumming his electric guitar.

647
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:54.359
I know it was a half.

648
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:57.240
He's been moody in his bedroom.

649
00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:01.859
Well, I mean, if puberty, like I think it's about sex and

650
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:02.880
sexuality, right?

651
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:06.359
And but, you know, that's what puberty's about as well.

652
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.500
You know, it's not about kids sort of finally kind of working that

653
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:12.720
out or just discovering it, I guess.

654
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.240
So what's the request here?

655
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:17.819
I don't know, I can't remember what this interaction is.

656
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.640
Gosh, she's beautiful, isn't she?

657
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:24.299
She is, and I really liked the performance, isn't it?

658
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.980
They are very, very delicate.

659
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:26.940
I mean Nathan, come on.

660
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.460
This is a show set in space where they're all wearing pyjamas.

661
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.920
They do not need to be put in this much effort into these

662
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:32.400
performances.

663
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:33.660
No, exactly right.

664
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:40.140
And look, so this is him apologising for being a prick earlier, for

665
00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:41.400
losing his temper with her.

666
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:45.960
And admittedly, it is he allows her to cook him something

667
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.099
which...

668
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.539
It's a 1960s, all right?

669
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

670
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:55.380
But it is him...

671
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:56.099
Where's my dinner?

672
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:56.940
You know.

673
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.500
Joe, I wonder where that fabulous altar went, you know, because it

674
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.900
had a ball and it had sort of mood lights on it.

675
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.519
I'd love that by my bed, you know.

676
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah. looks good.

677
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.799
Now, look, so this the lift's going sideways.

678
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:15.839
So he sells explaining now about an insanity that they might find

679
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.740
distasteful.

680
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:19.680
It's described as madness.

681
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:21.480
He just described it as madness.

682
00:31:21.539 --> 00:31:24.539
No, Kirk actually described his own madness there.

683
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:30.000
It's kind of like you put up with my madness and it's another one

684
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.720
of those just lovely chatting the lines that are given with a half

685
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:34.079
smile.

686
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.180
So you're absolutely right.

687
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.539
I mean, this is this show is basically a massive bromance, isn't

688
00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:40.380
it, amongst these three?

689
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:40.920
Yeah.

690
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:44.940
And I think no matter how good some male, male relationships are

691
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:47.099
later on, and there are some good ones later on.

692
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.200
I don't think they're quite top.

693
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:50.759
This trio.

694
00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.920
Well, this threesome. throuple here.

695
00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:58.859
And I actually, I, obviously McCoy is down on the planet and I've

696
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:02.579
seen that before, but I did actually find myself just a little bit

697
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:08.160
touched by, you know, because they have this, um, adversarial

698
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.819
relationship because they are very often, uh, you know, the 2

699
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:16.200
opposing sides who Kirk has to decide between, but he's every bit

700
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:16.799
as much.

701
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.440
It's well for example.

702
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:22.619
And he has scope for conflict and for the bromance.

703
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.519
Do you know what?

704
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:26.640
screen and I know you want to talk about it.

705
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:30.119
But you know what I think is the best example of this free and how

706
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.200
much they love each other, man.

707
00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:32.279
You're going to think I'm mad.

708
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:33.539
Spock's brain?

709
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:34.619
No.

710
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.319
Row, row, row, your boat.

711
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.440
Yes, I actually really like that as well.

712
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:41.700
I love that.

713
00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:44.640
No, and the camera pans out on the campfire.

714
00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:45.359
Oh, that's great.

715
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:45.779
Yeah.

716
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:46.859
It's terrible.

717
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.779
But yes.

718
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:52.079
Looking, doing that dialogue, the never touching and always

719
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.619
touched.

720
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.279
You know, I await you, all of that dialogue, that's how they talk

721
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.859
to one another in Strange New Worlds.

722
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.539
They use that dialogue.

723
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.880
How did they break up?

724
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.319
It was like, the bond is broken.

725
00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:06.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.420
But they talk like they address one another in these formal ways.

727
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.299
And of course, that's the thing.

728
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.200
The reason for that, which is just cheesy and ridiculous, is the

729
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.099
fact that anything about Vulcan sexuality has to be surrounded by

730
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:26.220
so much ritual and so much formality because they can't handle it

731
00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:26.460
I guess.

732
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.720
This is I'm now watching the new special effect where they are

733
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:31.500
walking across.

734
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:32.579
It's a long shot.

735
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:36.960
They're walking across a massive bridge to the arena where they're

736
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.140
going to fight with a cityscape in the background.

737
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.319
I mean, it looks like a ton of money has been poured into this

738
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:43.559
shop.

739
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.299
But it gives the whole planet and this setting a huge sense of

740
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:48.599
scale.

741
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.799
What are you seeing?

742
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.640
Yeah, basically a slow pain across the sand.

743
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.880
So, look, I mean, I think this is a pretty good set, and I do

744
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:05.160
think, like, it has a very, again, you know, you can tell it's

745
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.779
made in the 60s.

746
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.960
Look at that thing on the wall, the green thing. don't think we

747
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.159
can hold that against them though, you know?

748
00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:12.239
No, I love that.

749
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.519
Being made in the 60s is a great thing.

750
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:15.360
It's just awesome.

751
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:19.980
Um, I just like, I like, I like, it's like Doctor Who in the 60s.

752
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.739
I like the ambition even if they can't always realise it.

753
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.840
I think too, there's something just wonderful and breathtakingly

754
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:31.980
cheesy about this.

755
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.199
Like the space outfits, everyone's swearing, and you know, like

756
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.579
all of these details that will come up again, all of the things

757
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:42.900
taken from this.

758
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:47.159
So, you know, the those frames that are sort of hexagonal with the

759
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.199
bells in them, like they come up again.

760
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.519
Don't you think that's wonderful?

761
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.940
All this stuff, these designs and these rituals that they're just

762
00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:56.579
making up on the fly in the 60s, yeah, yeah.

763
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.559
I got to have such meaning in the future.

764
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:02.159
There's going to be, you know, 1000s and 1000s of Star Trek fans

765
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.440
you know, buying into this stuff.

766
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:08.519
And like, you know, when they cosplayer conventions and things

767
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:08.940
like that.

768
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.159
I swear they do these rituals and things, you know?

769
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.099
No, it's it's just terrific.

770
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:17.460
I'm, yeah, yeah.

771
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.900
You're there for it, yeah.

772
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.219
I really am.

773
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.619
I think it's a great thing.

774
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.440
This is the episode that sets up the Vulcans more than anything

775
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:25.679
else.

776
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:31.380
I do think, though, this is now on Vulcan, this is now where it

777
00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:35.159
feels like a 90s trek episode, where it's sort of like pompous

778
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.920
ceremony, taken very seriously, you know?

779
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:43.860
Well, like it's sort of space things being taken very seriously

780
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.380
but then it's just like sort of beating the shit out of each other

781
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:49.199
at the end of it, which is...

782
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:53.639
No, okay, I need to talk about the conflict inherent in that whole

783
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.760
situation with McCoy watching and Kirk and Spock fighting.

784
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.500
I think it's really well fall through.

785
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.519
Yeah, 1st of all, I need to talk about the designs of these

786
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:03.900
fabulous broken guards.

787
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.219
I look like birds.

788
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.179
Oh, so wonderful.

789
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.800
It's so strange They do look like that.

790
00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.000
What's the actress' name?

791
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:18.960
So she is someone, I can't remember her name and she, uh, is, I

792
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:24.900
want to say Austrian, um, she is, she's doing her own accent.

793
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:26.579
She's marvellous.

794
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.400
This episode, like this is as cheesy as fuck.

795
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:31.619
Look at the stupid hats that they're all wearing and stuff.

796
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.059
It's so ridiculous.

797
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.940
But I think it absolutely sells it. can absolutely be tongue in

798
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:40.380
cheek, you know, that would ruin.

799
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.360
And even when they're doing alien cultures and things like that

800
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.199
there can be a lot of humour.

801
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.360
This is just taken deadly seriously.

802
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.239
I remember saying to you, it reminds me of a similar performance

803
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.719
in the 70s Doctor Who story from Cynthia Grenville, where, look at

804
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:52.380
that guy's tits.

805
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.960
The whole situation is utterly absurd.

806
00:36:55.019 --> 00:36:59.460
And she's treating it with such gravity that you just believe

807
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.300
absolutely, absolutely.

808
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.139
For real.

809
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:02.460
She's really good.

810
00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:06.119
And she's obviously, oh, look, there, she does the thing, the

811
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.559
Vulcan hand thing.

812
00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:08.460
Not everyone can do that.

813
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.139
No, no, well, shoot.

814
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.380
No, I'm actually not sure that's her because I was reading on

815
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:14.940
memory alpha that she couldn't do it.

816
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.619
So they actually pull someone else in.

817
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.079
And it's someone else's hand.

818
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:22.980
She's, I mean, I think she's really, really great.

819
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.000
Now, his Stone standing next to to Pring here.

820
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:33.239
And Stone was in the episode of Stranger Worlds that we did in the

821
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.400
Serene Squall for the 1st time.

822
00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:39.719
He's still got the same terrible bowl haircut in Strange New

823
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.380
Worlds.

824
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.119
But he was just saw there in the background. wasn't he?

825
00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:43.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.460
But it's a nice of these now.

827
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.719
If you know, if you've seen this, you know, it's so nice. know

828
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.940
that they're fucking we know that Christine and and Spock are not

829
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:58.380
having sex, but I reckon to bring in Stoner already on.

830
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.000
Oh, for sure.

831
00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:03.900
When she details, at the end of this, what her plan is why she was

832
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:08.280
having a problem. maybe even in Strange New Worlds, maybe even

833
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:09.000
Pegley.

834
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:09.360
Yeah.

835
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.960
Well, it's a very sexy show that they're all at in that one, you

836
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.139
know?

837
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.099
they really are.

838
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:21.480
So to Pau as well, she doesn't appear again, except a young Tappau

839
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.300
is in enterprise.

840
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.980
I didn't know that.

841
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.559
Yeah, the character comes back in enterprise.

842
00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:29.699
She was really boring in that.

843
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.659
I bet she was very dull.

844
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:31.559
Almost certainly.

845
00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:37.920
And then there is a scene with like a Vulcan priestess like that

846
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.260
called Talar, I think maybe in Star Trek three.

847
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:43.860
I'm not sure.

848
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:49.440
But they, again, they go back to this because this performance is

849
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.199
so important and they sort of try and recreate it.

850
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:56.159
She has such intense authority to power.

851
00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:57.480
Yeah, she's magnificent.

852
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.219
I would not say no to her.

853
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.960
They said to me, Joe, you've got to fight Nathan.

854
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:01.739
I'd be like, right.

855
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:02.820
Yeah, you can do it.

856
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.599
Now we're getting all of these unmotivated shots of this guy.

857
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.579
And we don't know that he's Stone.

858
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.199
We don't know who he is at all.

859
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.900
And he's got the most ridiculous falconers.

860
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.619
Like they're really, really bad, like much worse than Nemoy's

861
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:16.860
ones.

862
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.460
Which, um, we'll get to a bit later.

863
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.079
The goal.

864
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.619
Yeah.

865
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.320
Those sort of weird paper clips that they're wearing.

866
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:28.019
What is that one?

867
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:28.800
Look at this guy.

868
00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.820
Look at this guy.

869
00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:35.340
Look at his... got this beautiful kind of...

870
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:36.059
He's looking great.

871
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.119
Oh, you're looking at his face. looking at the thing around his

872
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:39.300
mouth.

873
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.880
Oh, the bird beak fear.

874
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.739
No, I can't stop looking at his tits.

875
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:44.280
Look at them.

876
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:45.059
He looks amazing.

877
00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:47.340
Hey, should get your priority straight.

878
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.360
Yeah, that's right.

879
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:52.260
And that, look, Shatner turns around as if to go, why is this

880
00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:54.480
asshole getting all these close-ups?

881
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:56.400
Like, what's he?

882
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:57.059
What his dad?

883
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.159
You know Shatner, all right.

884
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:01.860
He was probably there, saying, to the director, what is going on

885
00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:02.340
here, you know?

886
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.019
So we just heard to power refer to the blood fever, which is the

887
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:09.059
palm father thing. from Carter Nemoy.

888
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.079
And he left, yeah.

889
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.179
He is literally going to tear someone in half.

890
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.719
And of course, that's why they call the episode blood fever in

891
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:16.860
Voyager.

892
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.440
They take the that's just a quote from the dialogue. this

893
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:19.619
episode.

894
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:21.000
No, as effective as this, though.

895
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.380
Oh, no.

896
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.239
Yeah, well, boy.

897
00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:25.920
I mean, it is it is Roxanne Dawson.

898
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:27.480
Anyway, she's pretty good.

899
00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:31.619
Unfortunately, Tom Paris is in there going, come on, Balana.

900
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:32.039
Fuck me.

901
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:34.139
Yuck.

902
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:41.340
He's taking one for the team Suprina's planned all of this in

903
00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:41.760
advance.

904
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:43.199
She's got a whole plan in advance.

905
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:45.900
If he wins or if he loses, she's getting his property and she's

906
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:46.920
fucking stoned, all right?

907
00:40:46.980 --> 00:40:50.340
So that's why she went up to the thing that it was going to bang.

908
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.920
And she's like, no, we're going to have a challenge.

909
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.119
But why does she choose Kirk?

910
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.179
I can't remember.

911
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.519
As an excuse.

912
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.239
She has explained it.

913
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.460
Can Spock have a fight to the death?

914
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:03.300
I think so.

915
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.579
I think we needed Kirk and Spock to have the fight to the death

916
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:06.960
thing.

917
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.159
Kirk's like, you know what?

918
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.760
I fight him.

919
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.619
Don't worry. like, you know, a bit of swagger.

920
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:12.119
And then it's like, no, it's to the death.

921
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:13.019
Oh shit.

922
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:14.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

923
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.360
Yeah, that's right.

924
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:16.380
They'll go, wait, death.

925
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.280
Who mentioned that?

926
00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:19.079
When was it death?

927
00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:21.000
That was in the brochure.

928
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.960
I know, I know this is all a bit camp and crazy. now.

929
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:28.500
But I love the fact that you've obviously you've got Spock who's

930
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:29.460
in conflict with himself.

931
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.099
It's basically the 2 sides for him that are fighting.

932
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.559
You got Kirk who's in conflict because he's fighting his best

933
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:34.860
friend.

934
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.400
And then you've got McCoy who's in conflict because he's a doctor

935
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.000
and he's watching his 2 best friends slug at each other.

936
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.000
And there's just lots happening whilst the fight is going on

937
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:45.780
there's lots happening.

938
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.480
And I was just like this is so interesting.

939
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:50.699
If this was next generation.

940
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.719
You know, remember that Abu jitsu scene between Piker and his dad

941
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.079
you know, like, it was a freadful metaphor.

942
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.480
Like, kids fighting their parents.

943
00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:05.340
Well, yeah, I mean, I, I, you know, what about fencing with Picard

944
00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:06.059
and Guyan?

945
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.820
I actually think that that's actually not a bad scene, but it's

946
00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:09.420
not to the death.

947
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.539
Obviously, it's not as good as the racquetball competition between

948
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.659
O'Brien and Bashir, when they hate each other's guts so much

949
00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:16.440
they're both trying to win.

950
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.139
Brian gets this move to that as well.

951
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.000
It's really terrible episodes.

952
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:21.539
Oh, my God.

953
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:26.280
I actually think, like, but to Pring's wearing this, again

954
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:30.960
something that's so fabulously 60s and they've, they've made her

955
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:31.739
more interesting.

956
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.400
They've given her a job, for instance, in Strange Shoe Worlds.

957
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:38.039
She actually has something to do rather than standing around

958
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:38.460
looking pretty.

959
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.079
They also landed on.

960
00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:43.320
Obviously a lot of the dialogue is couched in metaphor, but

961
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.760
they've also landed on this sort of cod Shakespearean, you know, V

962
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:49.139
is able to do this.

963
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.659
Yeah, but I think, like the, basically the only person who says

964
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:57.659
that is to Pau, and she doesn't use the correctly.

965
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820
Like, that's not how Shakespeare uses it.

966
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.980
I think that's the idea, though.

967
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.239
It's that sort of weird.

968
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.280
It's strange.

969
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:09.360
It's strange, but she absolutely manages to sell it, I think.

970
00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:13.440
I think that's pretty incredible because it is like it's cheesy

971
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.739
weird space dialogue and the people riding it must have known that

972
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.800
you know, there's no version of English where that's grammatical

973
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.760
but can I ask you?

974
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.059
Like, obviously, you know, a lot of Vulcans go. a lot of Vulcans

975
00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:24.420
out there.

976
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.239
So they're all going through this at some point. she just carried

977
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:28.199
from one place to another?

978
00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.519
Doing one?

979
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:30.239
Is this her job?

980
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.800
Yeah, I think so.

981
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.159
Yeah.

982
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:32.880
Yeah.

983
00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:34.739
She just goes from ponfard upon far.

984
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.960
She's like a celebrant.

985
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:39.179
How many people?

986
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.579
Yeah, how many people were killed and how many people are fucking

987
00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:42.000
today?

988
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:42.480
Right.

989
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:43.199
We had a good day.

990
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:43.619
Good.

991
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.099
Yeah.

992
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.760
I don't think that everyone has to have a fight to the death

993
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:48.960
before they're allowed to fuck though.

994
00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:50.820
I think that this is a particular thing.

995
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.619
The population would be wiped out, then, wouldn't they?

996
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:53.280
Yeah, that's right.

997
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.500
Actually, maybe we should introduce that, you know, there's a lot

998
00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:56.400
of people on this planet.

999
00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:57.480
That's true.

1000
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.539
Might be a lot of effort though, wouldn't it, honestly?

1001
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:01.739
I like popping on Grinder.

1002
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:02.639
No.

1003
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:07.980
So she, so Nemoy and her had worked before.

1004
00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:14.039
Nemoy was really pleased that she was back.

1005
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:20.519
Um, you know, and that, like, this is just superb, the 2 of them

1006
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:25.019
together, and then some arsehole dress as a cockroach comes on

1007
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.880
starts tying a thing around.

1008
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:30.719
He's stretching.

1009
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.900
Yeah, um, purple scarf around his waist now.

1010
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1011
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.179
At least I don't fight for the death without a bit of fashion.

1012
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:40.500
No.

1013
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.760
I love too, the way that, like the 1st injury.

1014
00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:46.199
It's so hilarious.

1015
00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:48.179
You know, we did the one.

1016
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.239
What was the episode where he's just wandering through the fucking

1017
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:52.679
ship with his shirt off?

1018
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.179
Like...

1019
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.460
Oh, the court might maneuver. yeah.

1020
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1021
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.980
And here, obviously, his shirt gets torn.

1022
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:08.400
And again, we get to see his tits, but they're nowhere near as

1023
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.280
ripped as that Vulcan champion.

1024
00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:16.019
No, obviously not.

1025
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.159
They've got a bit of dry ice.

1026
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.480
He's getting on in the background as well there.

1027
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:21.000
I do like, Oh look, I love these weird Batman angles.

1028
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:21.659
They did, yeah.

1029
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1030
00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:24.599
The sort of strange Dutch angles.

1031
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.059
It's kind of like it's very 60s.

1032
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.420
Well, no, but I think it's kind of displaying the madness that

1033
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:30.960
he's going through.

1034
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:32.880
And then you've got that explosion.

1035
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:37.139
So it's like, you know, these violent volcanic emotions going on.

1036
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.400
It's disorienting, isn't it?

1037
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:45.780
And I think maybe we have to sell that that stupid glass thing, you

1038
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:49.559
know, that's clearly meant to be a bit of lava on a 1960s TV

1039
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:49.980
budget.

1040
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.039
Would you indulge me in a quote from Leonard Nemoy?

1041
00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:56.579
Because he's a very thoughtful actor, and as you can imagine

1042
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:59.400
adored getting this script that gave all this photos.

1043
00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:02.880
And he said, I remember a mock time very well.

1044
00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:06.840
It was an excellent script, very poetic, very dramatic, intense

1045
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:11.039
important, and I felt immediately for Spock and the Vulcans.

1046
00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:14.460
It was a very exciting episode to shoot and perform, so

1047
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:16.679
beautifully written and had great casting.

1048
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:20.039
And I don't think it's wrong on any of those counts.

1049
00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:21.659
No, it really is quite great.

1050
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.420
But then he had different things to say about Spock's brain in

1051
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:25.440
episode of the season three.

1052
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:26.159
Well, naturally.

1053
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.980
But I mean, this is terribly cheesy.

1054
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.400
It's cheesy as hell, and I think it probably does go on for a

1055
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:32.699
bit.

1056
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.579
Well, the fight I thought the fight was quite well done, you

1057
00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:35.760
know.

1058
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:39.119
Well, but we are still not up to the fucking fight yet, and we've

1059
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:40.019
been here for how long?

1060
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:40.800
Do you know what I mean?

1061
00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.179
Like we're all just sort of standing right.

1062
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.699
Well, no, because we're supposed to be at home going, you know, no

1063
00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:45.539
curb.

1064
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.260
No small.

1065
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.480
You love each other.

1066
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:55.980
But like in a minute, he literally stabs that thing down where

1067
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.699
Kirk was.

1068
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:57.780
He is going to kill him.

1069
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.179
Yeah, it's only the fact that Kurt gets out of the way in time.

1070
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:06.900
Shannon's reaction when he actually experiences how heavy that

1071
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:07.260
is.

1072
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.500
Like when the guy trolls it and lets go of it.

1073
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.159
He just sort of looks way more... you recommend anyone else in

1074
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.559
Star Trek that can do business like Shatner?

1075
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:18.179
I don't think there is, you know.

1076
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:19.500
It's such a great movie.

1077
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.760
Remember the end of the doomsday machine.

1078
00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:21.300
Come on.

1079
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.380
Yeah, miaow now.

1080
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.420
Yeah, like when he's when he's not being a prick, Shatner's

1081
00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:31.440
incredible, I think.

1082
00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:35.940
It's so good Oh, so this is where that very, very famous music

1083
00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:37.380
which is overused actually.

1084
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.019
I think I think they use it again and again and again in original

1085
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:40.980
series after this.

1086
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:45.840
In fact, it's a version of that music, that theme 1st comes in

1087
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:51.239
when Spock describes the ponfire, when he's talking to Kirk about

1088
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.019
it, the music actually does that theme, and now it sort of comes

1089
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:56.219
out really strongly.

1090
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.519
And there is another scene where this ceremony plays out in an

1091
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:01.619
earlier episode of Strange New Worlds.

1092
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.260
I think it's in Spock Amuck, possibly.

1093
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.619
I bet you were well excited, anyone out here.

1094
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.219
Yeah, well, I know I was there going, come on, come on, do the

1095
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:11.579
music.

1096
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:12.420
You have to do the music.

1097
00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:14.579
Surely you're going to do the music and then it comes in.

1098
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1099
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.480
It's so good It's great.

1100
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:22.079
It was like a guitar drumming in the 1st half of the episode.

1101
00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:22.500
Yeah.

1102
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.920
It sounded a bit like the crossroads theme tuning, I'm honest.

1103
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:27.539
I don't know what that is.

1104
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.000
I thought it was really good.

1105
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:34.619
No, it was odd and kind of a little bit off putting.

1106
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.079
Like I thought the music was really, really strong.

1107
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:39.239
Not just the theme, not just the final.

1108
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:40.920
I can say that in every original series episode.

1109
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:45.179
You say that as much for this series as you do, don't for 90s

1110
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:45.539
trek.

1111
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.699
Now, look, I'm not going to complain about the fact that I can see

1113
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:54.000
it's clearly a double for them in the long shots when they're

1114
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.139
doing their most impressive stunts because that is exception.

1115
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.559
I was actually kind of enjoying trying to work out.

1116
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.280
Oh, my God.

1117
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.519
That overhead shot is double.

1118
00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:06.599
That weird.

1119
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.460
And look, handheld camera work.

1120
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.920
Like they are trying to make this pretty dynamic.

1121
00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:12.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1122
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.260
Oh.

1123
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.639
That's pretty great.

1124
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.739
Oh, Jesus.

1125
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.000
Ow, that really hurt.

1126
00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:20.219
Kicks him.

1127
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.000
Yeah, this.

1128
00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:22.860
Yeah, that.

1129
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.840
That's him about to stab.

1130
00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:25.380
What does that mean?

1131
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.840
Because the thing means it. means stop.

1132
00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:29.099
I guess so.

1133
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:33.000
He should have just gone, gentlemen, please.

1134
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:34.800
Maybe it means round two.

1135
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:40.380
Maybe it means bring out the stupid belt things.

1136
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.659
A massive slash across his chest.

1137
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1138
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.420
So he's showing his chest, which is the 2nd most impressive

1139
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:50.760
exposed chest.

1140
00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:52.260
I love the fact...

1141
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.780
It just happened to be whereas chest is, whereas...

1142
00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1143
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.099
That's it.

1144
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1145
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.539
Oh, if it had been his stunning. like, don't show my stomach

1146
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:00.780
right?

1147
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:01.500
Just my chest.

1148
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:02.400
Yeah, that's right.

1149
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:07.860
I've been working on it Yeah, you know, in these Star Trek

1150
00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:10.500
original series, I very often say I would like some of the props

1151
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:14.579
for my house, but that sort of that pit with the crystals in it.

1152
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.159
It'd be lovely in my living room, that would.

1153
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.679
Mostly.

1154
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.360
This is great too, because this is how it gets out of it.

1155
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:26.159
And I think this is really neatly done.

1156
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:27.780
The way this ends.

1157
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.340
The way things are resolved, where you've painted Kirk into a

1158
00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:33.659
corner.

1159
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.679
So we have to have Kirk, some skirk has to die.

1160
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:43.079
Like we spent 10 minutes fucking setting this scene up for the

1161
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.039
fight to the death.

1162
00:50:44.099 --> 00:50:46.800
So we can't cheat our way out of it.

1163
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.019
We have to do something.

1164
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.219
We have to kind of let it happen.

1165
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:55.380
And the, this is going to destroy my career thing, both of which

1166
00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.980
are resolved quite quickly, but not in a way that I think feels

1167
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:00.239
like a cheat.

1168
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.159
Like I thought both of them seemed clever.

1169
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.579
I do think this seems a little brutal this far.

1170
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.139
Like, they are really both going for it.

1171
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:11.519
Yeah, I know, but fighting one another with fucking ribbons or

1172
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.539
something.

1173
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:13.619
They're riving around.

1174
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.239
This is kind of hot, you know.

1175
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:17.099
Honestly, this is pretty hot.

1176
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:18.000
Ow.

1177
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:19.619
It's not it.

1178
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.719
He's not even trying to hit him.

1179
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.719
Oh my god, look, he's gonna burn him on the coals.

1180
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:26.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1181
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:26.820
That's right.

1182
00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:29.460
But Spock's got the advantage, doesn't it?

1183
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.500
Because the air's too thin for human beings.

1184
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.460
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1185
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:36.539
So the fact that Kirk is kind of, you know, Matt best in him and

1186
00:51:36.539 --> 00:51:38.099
matching him is to his credit.

1187
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:41.340
Well, I think that we eventually decide that Vulcans are

1188
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:43.980
incredibly physically strong, but I don't know where that comes

1189
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:44.460
from.

1190
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:45.360
Yeah, clearly not, yeah.

1191
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:47.340
Oh my god, he's just strangled him to death.

1192
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.539
Yeah, yeah, that where he picks him up and he's just completely

1193
00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:53.039
floppy like a doll.

1194
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:54.000
It's...

1195
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.820
And then the striking. lands on the fact that he's so appalled

1196
00:51:56.820 --> 00:51:59.099
that he's killed Kirk, that he's no longer horny.

1197
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.519
Is that right?

1198
00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:03.539
Yeah, well, do you know what I mean?

1199
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.539
He just needed to fuck someone or kill them and he didn't really

1200
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:09.000
mind which and now he's killed him.

1201
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.460
I don't know if I like that match for you, you know.

1202
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:12.179
Fuck or kill.

1203
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.980
Well, that's it.

1204
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.300
That's the whole thing.

1205
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:16.440
Sex and violence.

1206
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.920
He, uh, yeah, he's kind of lost it now.

1207
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.440
Oh, I see, do you know what?

1208
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.639
his enthusiasm.

1209
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.219
I'm looking at the backdrop here and I don't know this has been

1210
00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:27.539
enhanced on this version.

1211
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:33.059
It might, I think it's a little darker and the, the, kind of the

1212
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.000
the distance is blurred a little bit.

1213
00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:38.639
No, that may well be original.

1214
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.460
There is a kind of range of sort of darker mountains and stuff in

1215
00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:42.000
the background.

1216
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:44.639
It's a pretty good set, you know?

1217
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.559
And they put dry ice in front of it.

1218
00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.900
So it's kind of a bit obscured as well.

1219
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:53.460
Do you remember those studio planetary sets in TNG series well?

1220
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.900
Oh, awful.

1221
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.900
Which was just a south stage with a, you know, green wall.

1222
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.460
And this, he's 2nd in command.

1223
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:03.900
Like this, any orders?

1224
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.679
And he just, I'm going to have myself into a star base.

1225
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:10.320
I love that where it was like, well, you're in charge now.

1226
00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:10.920
You've killed him.

1227
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.619
It's like an old pirate ship, isn't it?

1228
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:13.920
You know?

1229
00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:15.840
Kill the mirror in charge and take.

1230
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:18.900
Let's say. parade in the middle, yeah.

1231
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:19.679
We haven't we?

1232
00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:20.519
In series one?

1233
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:21.239
I can't remember.

1234
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:22.260
Yeah, can't remember.

1235
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.619
But like at this point, imagine this on 1st transmission.

1236
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:27.300
Yeah, you're a little kid watching Star Trek.

1237
00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:28.619
And Spock's been through all this.

1238
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.760
And now he's killed Kirk.

1239
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:31.739
You'd be the absolute, God, what's going to happen now?

1240
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.880
But I mean, I don't think we think that he's Kilkirk watching it.

1241
00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:38.159
Oh, no, we're adults than we've seen the movie since, but as a

1242
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:38.699
kid.

1243
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.380
Surely not.

1244
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:46.619
I sat there going, oh, no, what are they going to do without Kirk

1245
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:46.860
now?

1246
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:52.079
Yeah, and now it's like, well, this whole thing was to get out of

1247
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.960
my childhood marriage to you and so I can, I see no logic in

1248
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.519
preferring stawn over me.

1249
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:02.579
No, particularly with that bad hair.

1250
00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:06.000
I think I think that's called, you know, an insult in spoken

1251
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.420
society.

1252
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.159
That's a bit smack talk.

1253
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:10.199
But it is a fact note for that.

1254
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:12.659
I have been watching the only way it's Essex recently and for

1255
00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:14.159
those people that don't understand this.

1256
00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:18.059
It's an English sort of reality TV show.

1257
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:21.420
Thank you very much about some dreadfully rich people and their

1258
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:22.440
vacuous love lives.

1259
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:27.960
And it's full of women like to bring who are getting men to fight

1260
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.019
you know, fight over them and their, you know, their aim is to

1261
00:54:31.019 --> 00:54:33.119
money, property, and Botox, you know?

1262
00:54:33.179 --> 00:54:37.619
When I was watching her detail, her plan, and it, I'm like, bloody

1263
00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:38.880
hell, it's like those tower women.

1264
00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:39.659
Honestly.

1265
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.059
Well, that's it.

1266
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:45.539
But it's super, it's super logical.

1267
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.360
Like, she goes through and it covers all of the possible things

1268
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:53.219
and they all end up with her being able to go off with Don and um

1269
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:56.400
have lots of money and property and there's...

1270
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:57.480
The only way is Pomphar.

1271
00:54:57.539 --> 00:54:59.159
That's what she's on. that's right.

1272
00:55:00.659 --> 00:55:03.659
I really like this.

1273
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:08.519
His line about her where it's kind of like, I think you might just

1274
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.659
find having is not as nice as wanting because she's awful.

1275
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:16.440
She's terrible. how he's playing that there.

1276
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.300
Sort of hurt and sad and downcast.

1277
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.719
I can absolutely see Ethan Peck playing that in exactly the same

1278
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.019
way.

1279
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.219
Yeah, yeah.

1280
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:30.000
It doesn't really, really, like, again, it looks a camera, it

1281
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.139
looks emotionless, sort of downcast and a bit sexy, you know?

1282
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1283
00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:35.940
Yeah.

1284
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.260
I think I think he's probably studied Nemoy quite a bit.

1285
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:41.340
Oh yeah, for sure.

1286
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:42.480
How could you not?

1287
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.059
On that. peace and long life.

1288
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:46.559
Leave Volk and Prosper, I'll do neither.

1289
00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:49.920
I think that's one of those roles, isn't it?

1290
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.539
That in the wrong hands.

1291
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:55.440
It could have been really embarrassing, but you've got a very

1292
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.599
thoughtful actor there that's like, do you know what?

1293
00:55:57.659 --> 00:56:00.659
I've got these stupid comedy ears on, but I'm going to sell this.

1294
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.099
I'm gonna do it seriously.

1295
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:03.900
I'm gonna just do my job properly.

1296
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.579
My God, it's that special effect shot again.

1297
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.739
It is so good.

1298
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.260
Ah, yeah, no, I'm just looking at the set.

1299
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.940
Oh my word.

1300
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.920
This bit now, where he sees Kirk.

1301
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.980
Oh, I love this so much.

1302
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:18.119
This is so good.

1303
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:20.820
McCoy kind of leaves him hanging a little bit.

1304
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.239
I think we've kind of allowed it all the time, but McCoy's a bit

1305
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.079
of a douche in this one.

1306
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:26.820
Yeah, that's right.

1307
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:32.400
I can see like in this scene, just the lighting.

1308
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:35.280
Can we talk lighting, you know, just the way the sets are lit.

1309
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:38.519
Here he comes and the reaction.

1310
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.780
And you know what?

1311
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.840
His smile is more beautiful than not seeing it very often. you

1312
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:46.920
know, look at that.

1313
00:56:46.980 --> 00:56:48.719
And then he reacts.

1314
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:51.420
Yes, no, he does the Picard maneuver.

1315
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.440
He pulled his tuniform down.

1316
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:57.239
But everyone else's reaction, like I actually found, I actually

1317
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.300
teared up a little bit watching, I mean, this is my 2nd time

1318
00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:03.179
watching this in as many days, but the 1st time I just thought

1319
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:05.159
that was astonishingly beautiful.

1320
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.539
And I had seen this before and I remembered, but, you know, I

1321
00:57:09.539 --> 00:57:11.579
didn't really remember that bit.

1322
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:15.119
And, you know, the moment I'd seen that smile, I knew that I'd

1323
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.639
seen him smile before, but I didn't know that that was where it

1324
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:18.059
was here.

1325
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.079
I think it's beautiful.

1326
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:20.880
I think it's really lovely.

1327
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:22.739
And it doesn't undermine the character.

1328
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.360
Like everyone sort of smiles indulgently, but...

1329
00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:28.619
Go away wants to know with the Goss.

1330
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:29.519
What happened with the cow?

1331
00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:30.239
The wedding.

1332
00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:30.719
Tell me.

1333
00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:33.059
Yeah, I'm not sure.

1334
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.480
I'm not sure if I buy the fact that he, you know, he killed Kirk

1335
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.679
so that's it.

1336
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:39.780
The whole thing over.

1337
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:44.639
Except remember that there is that sort of madness, that sort of

1338
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:48.719
visceral madness and that either it shows itself in sex or

1339
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.079
violence, you know, like, I don't think that that's like that's

1340
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.719
appalling that we link those 2 things together and stuff.

1341
00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:55.920
No, no, no, not that.

1342
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.860
It's just the fact that, you know, suddenly we've hit the point

1343
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:00.780
where Kirk's dead and he's all right now.

1344
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:02.940
Yeah, yeah.

1345
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.860
But yes, but at what cost?

1346
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.579
You know what I mean?

1347
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.940
He comes to his senses the moment he's killed his best friend.

1348
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.320
Like, I think that's good.

1349
00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:12.719
Would it have been the same when we'd gone the other way and he

1350
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:13.920
just had a very good orgasm.

1351
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:16.019
Oh, well, I'm all right now.

1352
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:16.800
No, no, no.

1353
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:18.059
Like, I think that that works.

1354
00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.559
Like, I don't think it's a cheat at all.

1355
00:58:19.619 --> 00:58:26.400
And I really like the fact that, um, yes, he tried to explain it

1356
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:26.699
away.

1357
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:28.920
And Kirk likes that.

1358
00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:30.360
Like Kurt goes, yes.

1359
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:31.980
And a pig's eye.

1360
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.820
Yeah, no, McCoy has to be a dick about it.

1361
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:40.079
As we've noted in the past, these, you know, joke endings can go

1362
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.340
one of 2 ways.

1363
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:42.900
That one actually works.

1364
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.800
Yeah, I thought it worked too. doesn't end with them laughing, but

1365
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:50.639
they also get the message from Starfleet Command, remember, that

1366
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.420
to Powell said, thank you for coming to Vulcan.

1367
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.260
You were very helpful.

1368
00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:57.719
This is a, you know, great moment or something.

1369
00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:01.739
And so he's forgiven because Celia Lovsky, she is.

1370
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1371
00:59:05.340 --> 00:59:07.800
Yeah, she's called...

1372
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:08.639
Really, really great.

1373
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.659
But I'll tell you what, right?

1374
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:12.659
Yeah, I know you said like the 2nd half of that episode, it's all

1375
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:17.400
kind of camp ritual and a bit over the top and lots of fighting

1376
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:18.300
and all of that.

1377
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:23.159
But the whole episode is rooted in character and really good

1378
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:24.119
character work.

1379
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.420
And so I can kind of let everything else slide because I really

1380
00:59:27.420 --> 00:59:30.119
care about those characters and I want to see where this ends up.

1381
00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:36.599
But as a Star Trek fan, I also love camp space rituals stuff.

1382
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:39.239
Like I, that's a nice...

1383
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:40.800
I ain't just starstrate you like that in.

1384
00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:44.820
That's that's just great.

1385
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.800
Like I just absolutely love that.

1386
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.480
That's one of the things that we watch for.

1387
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:52.320
We want to see people come out dressed as birds, you know?

1388
00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:54.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1389
00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:56.159
Shakespearean dialogue.

1390
00:59:56.219 --> 00:59:57.239
Exactly.

1391
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.460
Of course we do.

1392
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.820
And even like, I think even the very cheap shocks, like, 0 my God

1393
01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:08.099
Kirk's dead because it's played so well.

1394
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:09.900
Like even that pays off.

1395
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.280
Yeah, that's right.

1396
01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:15.420
It's played completely seriously, we've got no clue as to how he

1397
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:20.820
cannot be dead, and I don't think, you know, we see McCoy give him

1398
01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:25.920
the injection, but McCoy's explanation for it is absolutely rooted

1399
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:27.780
in dialogue that we've heard before.

1400
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.019
And so we don't think twice about it.

1401
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.139
And then we discover that that was how he saves him.

1402
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:34.980
I think it's good.

1403
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.659
You know, it's just solid.

1404
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.199
Do you not remember how they tried to pull this off in TNG?

1405
01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:43.199
So there's that fabulous episode where Deanna Troy becomes a

1406
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:44.039
complete vamp.

1407
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.280
She puts these 2 crystals together and she turns into this like

1408
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.519
evil witch queen trying to attack Picard with a knife on the

1409
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.219
transport pad and they're like, 0 my god, we got to get them to do

1410
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:53.880
the ritual again.

1411
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.300
Right.

1412
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.519
I can kill Troy for 2 minutes only.

1413
01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:57.780
Only 2 minutes.

1414
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.619
And they actually detail the whole thing rather than just killing

1415
01:01:01.619 --> 01:01:03.480
her off and actually having the shock moment.

1416
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:05.099
They're like, right, we'll kill her for 2 minutes.

1417
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.380
Then we'll do the ritual and then she'll be fine.

1418
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:11.519
Well, that's just kind of the whole climax of any kind, that, if

1419
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:12.719
we sat down and gone, right.

1420
01:01:12.780 --> 01:01:16.920
So, Kirk, I'm going to kill you off with this injection.

1421
01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:17.519
Yes, yeah.

1422
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:18.900
Yeah, that you're right.

1423
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:22.619
They would have absolutely had to kind of...

1424
01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:26.159
Like, McCoy clearly doesn't plan it ahead because he, no, they

1425
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:28.260
don't go in there expecting it to be a battle to the death.

1426
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.380
That's great as well, because all the reactions what they find.

1427
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:32.519
Well, yeah, exactly.

1428
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:34.500
It's still to death.

1429
01:01:34.619 --> 01:01:35.039
What do you mean?

1430
01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:39.300
It's just also the Shatner thing.

1431
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:42.420
That's, I didn't notice that until this time through.

1432
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.820
Just his reaction to discovering how heavy that stupid Vulcan

1433
01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:51.179
thing is the moment that the attendant lets it go and he's holding

1434
01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:54.360
it on his own. just a brilliant piece of Shatner business.

1435
01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:59.460
I'm starting to learn with TOS as well because I always kind of

1436
01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:03.119
wrote off a lot of the performances of 60s trek as being very

1437
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:07.079
theatrical and, you know, Shatner being massive, you know, chewing

1438
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.900
the scenery, like the best scenery chewer we've ever seen.

1439
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.260
Actually, there are so much...

1440
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.579
I'm not going to say nuance.

1441
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.400
There's so much business going on in original trek.

1442
01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:19.619
You could watch it on that terms alone.

1443
01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:21.480
The episodes are full of it.

1444
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:26.159
He's just really funny and likeable and relaxed.

1445
01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:29.159
And so sometimes it's all just a little bit over the top and

1446
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:32.880
overplayed, but he's absolutely worth watching whenever you see

1447
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:33.179
him.

1448
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:34.980
And, you know...

1449
01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:36.900
Even the bit where he came out at the end there, right?

1450
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.420
And he's behind Spock, and he's just waiting.

1451
01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:41.280
He's like, there was a massive brand of his back.

1452
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.780
He's going to see me in a minute.

1453
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:43.920
He doesn't know I'm coming.

1454
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:45.719
No, he says the line.

1455
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:47.639
He says, don't you think you should ask me first?

1456
01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:49.679
I'm still in command, you know.

1457
01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:50.579
So good.

1458
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.619
So I think what I'm learning about original trek as we go through

1459
01:02:55.619 --> 01:03:00.059
this thing is that it is a lot more visually interesting than I

1460
01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:00.719
suspected.

1461
01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:04.980
It's a lot better acted than I suspected and at its best.

1462
01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:09.119
It's really well written and fought through.

1463
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:09.420
Yeah.

1464
01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:10.500
Yeah.

1465
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.719
I mean, you know, I think there have been series better than

1466
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.639
this.

1467
01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:18.420
Yes.

1468
01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:19.920
But I agree.

1469
01:03:19.980 --> 01:03:22.380
But this sets it all up.

1470
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:25.559
All of those series are playing in the playground with the

1471
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.579
possibilities and this is opened and it does.

1472
01:03:29.579 --> 01:03:30.659
It's a built on it, isn't it?

1473
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.639
This is such a brilliant foundation.

1474
01:03:32.699 --> 01:03:37.679
But the show does such an incredibly wild, weird number of

1475
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:38.400
different things.

1476
01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:42.300
It's not just space battles every week or anything like that.

1477
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.760
It's not just treaty negotiations every week.

1478
01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:46.739
It can be as weird as it wants to be.

1479
01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:50.219
You know, it's it's so bold, isn't it?

1480
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.679
It's so willing to go out there as well.

1481
01:03:52.739 --> 01:03:54.900
I mean, Abraham Lincoln floats in space.

1482
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.800
There's a massive smoking turd monster in one episode, the Easter

1483
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.420
bunnies jumping around on location.

1484
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.920
I mean, they're really, I don't know how we ever got to like a

1485
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.539
latter-day 90s trek.

1486
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.619
Do you remember stigma?

1487
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:12.480
when everyone was very quietly talking in rooms about not talking

1488
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.460
about the subject matter they're supposed to be talking about?

1489
01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:16.739
and it was just so true.

1490
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:18.179
Like, how do we get from here to there?

1491
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:19.739
Yeah, yeah.

1492
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:20.280
Who knows?

1493
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.420
Well, I mean, I think that that is one of the things that I have

1494
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:29.460
liked about there being a new era of track recently.

1495
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:34.980
So we had 90s trek coming in and reinterpreting Trek and, you know

1496
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:37.860
creating something bigger and more complex than had gone before

1497
01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:38.460
it.

1498
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.840
But failing, I think in certain crucial ways.

1499
01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:49.619
And then we get an entirely new take on Star Trek that goes back

1500
01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:53.460
to the source material and sees different things in it, things

1501
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:57.659
that it likes and wants to emphasise and makes different choices

1502
01:04:57.659 --> 01:05:01.079
from the revival in the 80s and 90s.

1503
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:02.219
And I'm really happy about that.

1504
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:07.739
Strange New World is essentially like what if original Star Trek

1505
01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:12.780
had the budget it needed to really create this sense of wonder out

1506
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:17.639
in space was a little bit more relaxed and treated its women way

1507
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:17.880
better.

1508
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:23.579
Yeah, absolutely with the ethos of original trek of like going out

1509
01:05:23.579 --> 01:05:26.340
there, new life, new civilisations, et cetera.

1510
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:27.179
Yeah.

1511
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.659
And I think watching the 2 in tandem is a really rewarding

1512
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experience.

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See, I think the thing that Strangely World has done is that it

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hasn't shied away from the kinds of high concept things that could

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easily just face plant and fail.

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And I think that's really great.

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And I think that this version of Trek has embraced all of the

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silly, ridiculous things that we were maybe a bit embarrassed

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01:05:57.780 --> 01:05:59.099
about in the 90s.

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And I'm kind of happy to see that all come back.

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And you know what?

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It's charming as fuck as well.

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Yeah.

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All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

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choose what we're going to watch next.

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It's my turn and I'm on Untitled Star Trek Project.com slash

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Randomiser.

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I'm intrigued to know what you're going to select this week.

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01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.599
Well, don't get too excited.

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All I've decided to do after slamming 90s trek in my closing

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statement just now.

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I'm going to choose a 90 strike episode.

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So it's Star Trek Generation.

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I was going to say, here's where we're hardest on this thing, isn't

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01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:46.739
it?

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01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:48.059
In this podcast.

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01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:50.880
Let's try let's try and find something really good then.

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01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:52.980
Yeah, okay.

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01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.920
Or something really hilariously bad.

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I'd be happy.

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01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.920
Next Generation. is it?

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01:06:58.980 --> 01:07:00.000
Yeah, okay.

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01:07:00.059 --> 01:07:02.820
No, next gen, Deep Sa 9, Voyager, or Enterprise.

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I'm kicking all of them.

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01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:05.639
Okay.

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All right, pressing the button.

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01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:12.059
Oh, I don't know this one at all.

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It's Star Trek Enterprise.

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01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:19.139
Series 3, episode 16 Doctors Orders.

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01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:24.599
Oh, it's it's a possible episode in series three.

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01:07:24.659 --> 01:07:27.239
It's it's fun, middling.

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01:07:27.300 --> 01:07:28.380
Okay.

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01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.239
You could describe Enterprise that way.

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01:07:30.300 --> 01:07:30.900
I mean, honestly.

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01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.760
Well, yeah, I guess so.

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01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:34.380
Look, yeah, I don't know.

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01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.900
John Billingsley's a personal hero, but I am going to press the

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01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:37.440
button again.

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01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.440
In the season, he's the hardest owner as well.

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01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:41.099
Seriously?

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01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:50.159
All right, so this is Voyager, season one, episode 11, state of

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01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:50.760
flux.

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01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:52.500
Oh my God.

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01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.880
Oh my god.

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01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:55.500
Okay, and I know I do this a lot.

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01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:58.500
This is the episode where Cesca is exposed.

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01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.239
Oh, really?

1569
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.820
fucking awesome.

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01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:07.440
This is the episode where she says to Janeway and Chakotay, you're

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01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:11.639
a forge, Cotay, and you're a fool too, captain, and she just beams

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01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:12.780
out in front of both of them.

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01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:13.800
Oh wow.

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01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:14.639
What do you reckon?

1575
01:08:14.699 --> 01:08:16.319
I love sister.

1576
01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:16.920
Oh my god.

1577
01:08:16.979 --> 01:08:17.640
Do you know what?

1578
01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:21.479
prime factors and state of flux back to back and it's at a point

1579
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:23.819
in series one of Voyager where they kind of dropped a couple of

1580
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:27.479
middling episodes and then there's 2 absolute zingers to come out

1581
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:31.979
back to back where one is about the premise of them getting home

1582
01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:37.020
and stealing technology from a culture in order to get that.

1583
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.500
And Chevok is the one that steals it ultimately and bring, it

1584
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:43.859
gives a brilliant speech as to how it was logical for him to do so

1585
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:44.579
at the end.

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01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:49.079
And it's Kate Mulgrew's reaction to that. which really sales it.

1587
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:54.180
But this whole episode is Martha Hackett's, like, coming out story

1588
01:08:54.180 --> 01:08:58.140
where the whole episode, she's like, Jakote, how could you ever

1589
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:01.260
think this of me, you know, like, I am your lover.

1590
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.159
And then at the end, she just goes full on supervillain.

1591
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.659
It's just crazy.

1592
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.039
I've seen this recently.

1593
01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:09.539
It's as good as I remember it being.

1594
01:09:09.659 --> 01:09:10.439
Oh, okay.

1595
01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:11.039
All right.

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01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:11.939
Let's do that one then.

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01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.619
Okay, let's do it.

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You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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and Nathan Bottomley.

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We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

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01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.560
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:35.520
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citron, and the theme was composed

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01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:36.779
by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 21st of August 2022 and released

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01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.479
on the 2nd of September.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, State of Flux.

1607
01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:07.199
Yeah.

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01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:09.539
God, I love talking about original series.

1609
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.520
I really like it.

1610
01:10:11.579 --> 01:10:12.180
It's so good.

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01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:13.260
I enjoyed that so much.

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01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.899
That was great. such a good episode.

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Is you?

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01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:19.140
Is it you?

1615
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.640
Yeah, it's you.

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01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:21.359
Yeah, it's me.

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Yeah.

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Then I'm going to go to bed, I think, pretty quickly.

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01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:29.699
Really?

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01:10:29.699 --> 01:10:33.779
Yeah, I'm boarding a appreciation for the original track.

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01:10:35.579 --> 01:10:39.600
It might be my biggest takeaway, you know, from on title of Star

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01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:40.079
Trek project.

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01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:41.039
Yeah.

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01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:42.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1625
01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:45.659
Yeah, I haven't really properly had any reason to watch it.

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01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:51.960
I think it's because we know The rest.

1627
01:10:52.020 --> 01:10:54.720
So to see how this informs that is really interesting.

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All right, it's the end of the episode.