WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 22:45:59 1 00:00:21.899 --> 00:00:24.780 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:25.140 --> 00:00:36.659 So, this is a particularly exciting episode for us because this is perhaps one of the most iconic episodes of the original series. 3 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:41.820 Well, didn't you say this has been alluded to in a lot of other pop culture? 4 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:44.759 Was it in an episode of Futurama? 5 00:00:44.820 --> 00:00:57.659 Yeah, well, the big music queue, which we're obviously going to go on and on about over the next hour a bit, is used in a Futurama episode to underscore a sort of fight to the death that happens. 6 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:58.560 Fry must be involved. 7 00:00:58.619 --> 00:00:59.759 I can't remember the details. 8 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:13.019 And of course, Strange New Worlds actually takes a lot of kind of Spock's background and backstory and stuff from this episode. 9 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:23.219 And to Pring, who we talked about a few weeks ago when we did an episode of Strangely Worlds, you know, had a beautiful role in that, this is us seeing her for the very 1st time. 10 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:25.379 I've got to be honest. 11 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:48.599 I obviously haven't watched all of Strange New Wells, and I certainly haven't watched all of the original series, but having seen that relationship portrayed in the Serene Squaw a couple of weeks back and then watching a mock time and doing it in that order, but the latest one and then the history of it, it all kind of fitted together perfectly. 12 00:01:48.659 --> 00:01:54.299 I was like, wow, this is Kurtzmanchek is genuinely adding layers to what we've already seen. 13 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:58.620 And that's really like, I never would have foreseen that happening doing this. 14 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.579 Yeah, yeah, they all sort of coming together like a little jigsaw puzzle. 15 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.019 It's really neat. 16 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:21.539 I mean, even the character of Christine Chappell as well, who gets foregrounded in this episode, is largely a reaction in Strangely Worlds against Majel Barrett's portrayal of her here, where she's a little bit kind of pathetic. 17 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.360 It seems terrible to say that about a character play. 18 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:26.639 I can't really like... 19 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.280 Who characters do not seem like the same character to me. 20 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:39.300 What happened to that, you know, exciting brave young woman in strangely wells to turn her into this meek sort of puppy lusting after Spock? 21 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:52.860 I just think we have to take it as that was the sort of portrayal of a major female character that was acceptable on television in the 1960s and we're not going to do that here now in 2022. 22 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:59.219 No, I'll tell you what, it'd be through that super now. should be straight in those karate shopping and all sorts, you know? 23 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.780 That's right. 24 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.080 Getting a hypospray and just dropping him to the ground. 25 00:03:04.139 --> 00:03:06.360 But with a mock time. 26 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:21.479 This was originally supposed to be in the 1st season of Star Trek, and the studio execs, they wanted this one rushed into production because they became aware really early that Leonard Nimoy Spock was the most popular character on the show. 27 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:22.680 So they wanted it out. 28 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:29.819 And the writer whose name eludes me right now was notorious for delayed scriptwriting. 29 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:37.979 And I can I tell you what, because actually this feels a lot of Star Trek episodes feel like they've been knocked out, you know, like someone's been there in a day. 30 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:39.539 Like, right, okay, that will do. 31 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.939 This actually feels quite crafted. 32 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.419 I feel like there was a bit of thought put into this and he did have a bit of extra time. 33 00:03:45.539 --> 00:04:05.039 But yeah, so this got the 1st part of the 2nd season and I think it's an absolute mission statement that Spock got both the beginning of season 2 and unfortunately the beginning of season 3 of which the 2 episodes are slightly kind of diverse in quality, I would say. 34 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:06.000 Yeah, yeah. 35 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:11.879 Well, and in fact, Spock is kind of backgrounded in Spock's brain, which we've obviously done. 36 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:15.060 But here he gets to do things he's never done before. 37 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:17.819 And it's really great. 38 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.920 I mean, he's so good in her. 39 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:22.860 And not just when he's being angry, but all the time. 40 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:28.920 Lots of people. really had a chance to really spotlight Nemo because Spock's brain doesn't, does it? 41 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:33.000 He's just basically a walking automaton or a disembodied hate. 42 00:04:33.060 --> 00:04:37.259 Stupid, you know, threat. going captain, you know, come to the brain or whatever. 43 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.699 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 44 00:04:39.180 --> 00:04:39.420 Terrible. 45 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.339 Whereas here he got, yeah, you're right. 46 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.439 You got a chance to emote in lots of different ways. 47 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:47.459 And, Nathan, this could have been really terrible. 48 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.379 Like some of the things he's asked to do. 49 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.620 You know, my heart is on fire. and all this stuff. 50 00:04:52.620 --> 00:04:53.459 It could have been. 51 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.180 If Shatner was doing this, it would have been a very different episode. 52 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.899 But Neeboy sort of contains it all, doesn't he? 53 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.639 And and I just, I really bought into what he was going through because it's, what, is this puberty? 54 00:05:06.779 --> 00:05:09.300 So it's kind of funny, isn't it? 55 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:25.800 Because this is, I think there's more to it than puberty and I think there is something about sexuality that I think is really interesting in, you know, like locating this particular ritual and this kind of drive to Vulcans. 56 00:05:25.860 --> 00:05:32.279 I think is interesting and does say something about how we think of sex and sexuality, I think. 57 00:05:32.339 --> 00:05:40.560 But I was portrayed like as a metaphor for puberty, because it's like all those all those violent emotions coming out. 58 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:43.740 Sure, suddenly you're massively horny, you know, like. 59 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.459 Yeah, yeah, but I think it's more I think it's more than puberty. 60 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.339 I do think it is just human sexuality is like that. 61 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.480 And I think we'll get onto that. 62 00:05:51.540 --> 00:05:54.899 But it is also something that we've come back to. 63 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.620 So we have blood fever, don't we, in Voyager. 64 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.399 Very divisive episode. 65 00:06:02.459 --> 00:06:07.439 But actually, it's doing something quite interesting because it's B'lana that goes through. 66 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:08.279 Catches it off. 67 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.259 She catches it off. 68 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:11.879 Is that his name for it? 69 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:17.100 fucking Tom Paris and obviously we head down that rabbit hole for the rest of the series. 70 00:06:17.220 --> 00:06:18.600 Yeah. 71 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:46.800 So, so that, and I think the eologium is the same thing where Kess has a drive that's part of her developmental thing and we talked about that the other day, but I'm also thinking of the awful where Borders has, he has to head back to his home planet to do a massive Wii once a year. and like he's got this sort of drive to do that. and there's no way that that's not the pond far. 72 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.019 They're more honest on the audience. 73 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:50.100 Do you remember Portis? 74 00:06:50.100 --> 00:06:54.000 Waiting out that massive like addiction to gay porn. 75 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:55.680 And he kept going in. 76 00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:58.319 I feel like sexuality in the orball. 77 00:06:58.379 --> 00:07:04.019 It's just a very, it's very realistic, whereas in Star Trek, it, it does have to be couched in metaphor a little bit, doesn't it? 78 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.180 Yeah, well, so actually in these a little bit. 79 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.180 Yeah, they're a little bit more relaxed about it now. 80 00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:12.779 But certainly... a fair few sex episodes lately, you know. 81 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.040 You're amazing. 82 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:15.120 Yeah, I don't know. 83 00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:17.100 The randomiser must have some... 84 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:18.540 Horny... 85 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:19.560 That's right. 86 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:20.819 Snering at 7th year. 87 00:07:22.379 --> 00:07:31.680 Do you remember in Voyager, when they, uh, the doctor sang the song about Chewbox, Pompha, in Tinker Tinner, Doctor Spy. 88 00:07:31.980 --> 00:07:35.100 I just do a little bit of it because it's so funny. 89 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:36.660 Goes, so what is it? 90 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:38.459 Tuvok, I understand. 91 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:40.259 You are a Vulcan man. 92 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.699 You have just gone without 47 years about. 93 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:45.600 It's so funny. 94 00:07:45.660 --> 00:07:46.740 It's so great. 95 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:47.699 Oh, listen. 96 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.699 Does he, does he undergo the ponfart in Voyager as well? 97 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.720 No, no, it happens in a comedy sequence, like in a dream sequence. 98 00:07:54.779 --> 00:07:55.800 Okay. 99 00:07:55.860 --> 00:07:56.759 Oh my god. 100 00:07:56.819 --> 00:07:58.139 What is it? 101 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:58.620 It goes. 102 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.939 Paris, please find a way to find a hyperspray. 103 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:04.500 I will give you the sign. 104 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.060 Just aim for his behind. 105 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:07.920 It's so funny. 106 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:08.759 It's brilliant. 107 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.079 It's not. the doctor. 108 00:08:10.139 --> 00:08:11.220 Oh, of course. 109 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:11.939 Yeah. 110 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.879 Yeah, so it is big, isn't it? 111 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:17.639 Like this introduces a whole heap of stuff. 112 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:20.579 It affects a lot of what's coming later. 113 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:21.779 Yes, it does, yeah. 114 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:26.339 This is a massively popular episode with the production team at the time. 115 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:32.580 I think Gene Roddenbury said it was his in his top 10 favourites of the ones that were made whilst he was alive. 116 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:50.759 The showrunner of series one of Picard, whose name alludes me, is quoted as saying that his father, considered it one of the 2 best Star Trek episodes of all time, and it was a very important place. basically, it's just widely acknowledged as a bit of a classic. 117 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:57.899 And I can see why because I watched this and I was excitedly texting you the whole time saying, this is fucking brilliant. 118 00:08:57.960 --> 00:08:58.980 It's really good. 119 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.419 Alright. 120 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:01.860 What do you think? 121 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:02.399 Should we watch it? 122 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:03.600 Oh I can't wait. 123 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.279 I just love doing the original series, you know. so good. 124 00:09:08.340 --> 00:09:10.200 All right, here goes. 125 00:09:10.259 --> 00:09:16.679 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 126 00:09:16.980 --> 00:09:29.100 Like the 1st 20 minutes, yeah, of like, you know, spot going through this sort of mystery emotions and them zinging back and forth between where they're supposed to be going and Vulcan. 127 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.399 I mean, I thought this went on a little bit too long. 128 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:38.399 We could have got to the planet a little quicker, but I love the jokes about them slingshotting back and forth all the time. 129 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:49.019 This is the bit of the episode that I really like, and actually, when it gets really camp and cheesy and we go down to the planet, we're hitting each other with big sticks. 130 00:09:50.220 --> 00:09:57.120 Well, I think that's super enjoyable, but I think there's more solid acting in this 1st bit. 131 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:02.159 I thought Dr. McCoy was so horrible to her in this scene. 132 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:07.980 Yeah, I'm having a few issues with Dr. McCoy when we were watching this because he's he's like, oh, you still lusting after Spock? 133 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:09.960 I know, it's so terrible. 134 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:11.940 So play meat soup. 135 00:10:12.419 --> 00:10:15.059 You've never gave up hope to you. 136 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:16.200 That's what he says. 137 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:18.899 Yeah, that's miserable, isn't it? 138 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.139 Fucking be professional, McCoy, just because she's a woman. 139 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.720 Yeah, I can't fries anyone looks at him. 140 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:26.279 That's right. 141 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.580 No, I do love De Forrest Kelly and he can't help the lines he's given, you see? 142 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:31.019 And he's good in this. 143 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:32.399 He's really good in this, I think. 144 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:43.559 I think the last thing we expected to do, though, was for Kirk and McCoy, through about to be smacked in the head with a bowl of soup, coming projectile out of the out of the quarters in a second. 145 00:10:43.620 --> 00:10:44.399 It was great. 146 00:10:44.460 --> 00:10:45.720 I was like, oh what's going on? 147 00:10:45.779 --> 00:10:47.759 My interest was immediately peaked. 148 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.120 What the hell is that going? 149 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:52.620 Out the door. 150 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:54.299 It's purple. 151 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:59.100 Yeah, well, it's very famous. 152 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:05.159 It's exactly what a horny Vulcan Well, in this case doesn't really feel like eating, I think. 153 00:11:05.220 --> 00:11:13.139 So he's getting calculated how many light days it's going to take for them to divert off their course so he can pop off to Vulcan. 154 00:11:13.259 --> 00:11:15.059 I love, you know what? 155 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.639 Don't you laugh the intensity of the performances in the original truck? 156 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.100 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 157 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.940 Well, we talked about that. 158 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:32.639 You know, that thing where original trek is like heightened and melodramatic and that Strangely Worlds is what if original trek, but everyone was a little bit more chill. 159 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:34.200 A bit more relaxed. 160 00:11:34.259 --> 00:11:34.559 Yeah. 161 00:11:34.620 --> 00:11:36.659 And I think that works really well. 162 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:41.940 But the, the kind of preposterous overplaying of it that you get. 163 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.480 And I think Shatner does a fantastic job of that. 164 00:11:45.539 --> 00:11:47.100 He's super watchable in this. 165 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:48.299 I think he's really good. 166 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:54.840 Like, I think, magnificent, you said before, he can be, like, very relaxed as well around this team. 167 00:11:54.899 --> 00:11:56.399 Yeah, yeah. 168 00:11:56.460 --> 00:11:56.820 Yeah. 169 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.179 I think I think he chooses his moments to be extremely intense. 170 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:11.580 So I want to mention that I am watching the original version of this with no updated special effects. 171 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.259 But when I was when I was preparing, I did watch the new special effects. 172 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:20.580 So we're probably coming on then, we've, I think we've made our position clear, haven't we? 173 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:21.419 We like them. 174 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:22.559 We do. 175 00:12:22.620 --> 00:12:30.360 And I feel like there is an inclusion of a special effect in this episode that really seriously adds to the episode. 176 00:12:30.419 --> 00:12:32.340 But we'll talk about that when we get there. 177 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:33.419 We're not there yet. 178 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:40.080 No, you were talking about the spaceship opticals, you know, the exteriors of the spaceship. 179 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:50.279 And they do look substantially better, even though they're not super flashy in the updated version, they're a lot better than what we got originally because of just what they were capable of doing. 180 00:12:50.340 --> 00:13:00.720 I think my point was, like, when a brand new special effect comes in that adds to like the visual splendour of the episode, that makes a like a genuine difference. 181 00:13:00.779 --> 00:13:09.899 Whereas kind of the model work is ropey, and obviously it's ropey. 1960, whatever, but it does at least explain the plot, you know, it gets just... 182 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.320 At the time, it must have been pretty extraordinary. 183 00:13:13.379 --> 00:13:13.919 Yeah, yeah. 184 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.059 Well, yeah. 185 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:20.340 So here's Spock, in the very unfortunate position of having to try and explain. 186 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:23.279 He can't quite do it, can he? 187 00:13:23.340 --> 00:13:24.480 He's going through. 188 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:35.820 Well, but I think there are really, really properly good reasons for it that he gives, and he's absolutely unable to look at that. 189 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:36.600 Look at the knife. 190 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:38.759 Look at the knife in his hand, right? 191 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:40.320 And he's shaking. 192 00:13:40.379 --> 00:13:43.980 Like, uh, Nemoy's shaking. 193 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:45.360 From the front. 194 00:13:45.419 --> 00:13:47.639 It's completely you can't tell. 195 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:50.399 He's just acting normally, but a bit more tense. 196 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.919 The curt goes behind him and notice it, doesn't it? 197 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:59.940 He notices it. doesn't say anything. and then just accepts his request. 198 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:01.620 It's really good. 199 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.059 Yeah, it's this shot here. 200 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.139 He's just moving forward to fiddle with his terrible computer there. 201 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.240 And he looks over... 202 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:13.320 And just as he's saying... 203 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:14.460 Because there's no acknowledgement at all. 204 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.440 This would not happen in 90s trait, would it? 205 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:18.899 like, you know, give me the knife to be explained. 206 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:20.100 Yeah, yeah. 207 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:20.639 Yeah. 208 00:14:20.700 --> 00:14:24.120 So did I trust the audience back in the 60s? 209 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.000 Look. 210 00:14:27.059 --> 00:14:28.740 That's the other thing here. 211 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.179 The other thing here, too, is that they're friends. 212 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:42.840 And that's that's something that this show celebrates, I think, is friendships between men. 213 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:47.279 And, you know, that's, you know, there's plenty of friendships between men and other TV shows and stuff. 214 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:49.320 But these people are just sort of colleagues. 215 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:51.659 This is a workplace sitcom, isn't it? 216 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:52.200 Star Trek? 217 00:14:52.259 --> 00:14:53.700 Well, a workplace something. 218 00:14:53.879 --> 00:15:02.399 In that scene there, Kirk knew that if he hadn't acquiesced, there was a good chance that that knife would have been plunged into his mouth. 219 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.559 And he still books out the quarters and smiles at him. 220 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:15.240 Well, he'd already made the decision, but he'd already made the decision and then he saw the knife and realised how serious it was, but he had already said, let's set a course to Vulcan. 221 00:15:15.299 --> 00:15:17.039 So it didn't make him change his mind at all. 222 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:23.279 There's a good chance that Michelle Nichols would not have been in this series, wasn't it? 223 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:24.179 By the end of the 1st series. 224 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.740 She was like, I had enough of this. 225 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:37.559 And she was talking about going because it wasn't a very challenging role and was taught into staying by. by Dr. King, by Martin Luther King. yeah incredible. 226 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:39.539 Which pretty incredible, isn't it? 227 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:47.879 And, and, you know, this is the 1st, this is the 1st new trek that we've done since Nichelle died, I think. 228 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:50.159 It is classic trek, rather. 229 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:50.879 Yeah. 230 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:55.080 You know, I think I, she's absolutely beautiful. 231 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.039 And obviously she's just some incredible work outside of Star Trek. 232 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:01.620 I really wish they'd utilised her character better. 233 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.639 Yeah. 234 00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:06.299 Like, I feel like she gets some really fun stuff to do in the movies. 235 00:16:06.299 --> 00:16:14.340 And I know that sequence when she's on the rich, half naked, singing the song to the part... love that so much. 236 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:20.159 And like everybody else, she gets great things to do it in Star Trek 4. 237 00:16:20.340 --> 00:16:20.700 Everyone does. 238 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 239 00:16:22.500 --> 00:16:28.080 But like, she wasn't really, she wasn't really utilised very well, was she? 240 00:16:28.139 --> 00:16:29.460 No, no. 241 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:39.059 And both later versions of the character, like Zoe Zeldana and Celia Gooding, have been linguists. 242 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:42.480 You know, they haven't just been the ship's receptionist. 243 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:45.600 They've been a sort of linguistics expert. 244 00:16:45.659 --> 00:16:47.940 And even Hoshi, I guess, on Enterprise. 245 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:48.960 Well, it's interesting. 246 00:16:49.019 --> 00:16:53.759 Skip forward to Enterprise, and the Hoshi character is as neglected as Uhura is here. 247 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:54.840 Yeah, that's right. 248 00:16:54.899 --> 00:16:56.519 Unless they're consistent. 249 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:58.200 For the same reason, I think. 250 00:16:58.259 --> 00:16:59.940 They're just not very interested in women. 251 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:07.500 So Mr. Spock has changed course again. 252 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:13.140 So we've gone from Vulcan back to Altair 3 or 6 or whatever. 253 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.240 And now we're going back... 254 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:16.319 Vital mission, isn't it? 255 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:17.640 We never find out really what it is. 256 00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:29.099 Well, it's installing the new government of the planet of Altair and there are going to be 3 starships there to show the federation support. 257 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:34.740 And they suggest that that might have some effect on relations with the Klingons. 258 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.420 You know, it might be a show of strength. 259 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.180 Um, May I say? 260 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:42.119 that, uh, this turbo lift set. 261 00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:42.359 Yeah. 262 00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:51.000 I think the original series has done a wonderful job of maintaining continuity with Strange New Worlds because this set looks almost exactly the same. 263 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:52.559 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 264 00:17:52.619 --> 00:17:54.599 Strangely wells came first. 265 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:55.680 So it did. 266 00:17:55.740 --> 00:18:04.019 I love the things, the handles, like the handles are there and it's just like, fuck it, we're having the handles in Strange Worlds. they look awesome, you know. 267 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.500 We're not just going to walk into the lift and say computer bridge or whatever. 268 00:18:07.619 --> 00:18:09.420 Do you know, right? 269 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:20.880 Even though you'll probably say the sets of the ends pros on particularly sophisticated, I find them so much more visually interesting than pretty much any 90s trek show. 270 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:35.099 And as I was watching this, like earlier on in Spock's Quarters, and he had this sort of shrine behind him with like red velvet drapes and this smoking altar, and I'm like, you just wouldn't have a sit like that on the Enterprise in TNG, you know? 271 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.619 And think about that, right? 272 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.339 This is in the episode where we're going to Vulcan for the 1st time. 273 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:51.720 And this is an episode about, you know, the Vulcans who are super logical being overcome by sort of emotional urges or sexual urges or something. 274 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:57.720 And in his quarters is a shrine, like a religious shrine, you know, like... 275 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:01.079 You don't see that again until Kira and DS 9. 276 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.839 She got a shrine that she prays to in her courses. 277 00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:10.019 Yeah, and being religious is a hugely important part of her character, but he with Spock, you know, he's logical. 278 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:11.819 So what's with the shrine? 279 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:17.819 And I think that that is kind of just raising the question that the episode ends up addressing. 280 00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:31.259 Well, wasn't there, there was a criticism of carer, I think, in later that, you know, oh, no, Roddenberry was, you know, there's no religion in the future and all this, and we can't be, you can't be showing to be portraying that. 281 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:36.059 And they really came back at that criticism and said, no, no, he never said that at all. 282 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:40.980 It's, but none of the human characters are religious, are they? 283 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.079 Or at least we don't learn that they are. 284 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:43.980 No. 285 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:45.480 In data's day. 286 00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:48.539 There's a celebration of Diwali, you know, the Festival of Lines. 287 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:49.319 Ah yeah. 288 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:52.559 But it's only mentioned in dialogue. 289 00:19:52.619 --> 00:19:53.640 We don't get to see it. 290 00:19:53.819 --> 00:19:56.099 And I guess this is... 291 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:58.980 I don't want to bang on too much about this. 292 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:04.559 And this is the last thing I'll probably say about the production design of the enterprise, but I just really love how this all looks. 293 00:20:04.619 --> 00:20:08.279 There's a lot of lighting from different directions, okay? 294 00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:09.720 So there are shadows everywhere. 295 00:20:09.779 --> 00:20:12.299 Watch how many it just makes it more interesting. 296 00:20:12.420 --> 00:20:16.380 In 90s strict, it's that kind of flat... 297 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.680 Yeah, lighting, like a really strong key light, boring. 298 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:20.519 Yeah. 299 00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:25.980 Whereas you're lighting the backgrounds around these people in a way that makes the shot interesting and gives it depth. 300 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.160 And it's the 60s, which is stylish as fuck. 301 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.700 Like it's the most gorgeously stylish steak 8 ever, I think. 302 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:33.900 Do you remember that? 303 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:41.339 That sort of silhouetted lighting in the doomsday machine to show how kind of damaged Decker was. 304 00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:46.079 You know, I just I just feel like this was being made quick, you know. 305 00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:48.240 It didn't have to look that good. 306 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:50.039 And it was, you know, being shown. 307 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:51.539 Was it syndicated at the time? 308 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:52.920 I can't remember. 309 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:53.759 I don't know. 310 00:20:53.819 --> 00:20:55.740 Yeah, I mean, it becomes syndicated, doesn't it? 311 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:56.339 don't know. 312 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.920 I think I think it was just for an original run. 313 00:20:58.980 --> 00:21:02.819 And then and then when it was indicated, that's when it really found its audience. 314 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:03.119 Yeah. 315 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:04.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 316 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.140 Anyway, that's enough of me in production hour. 317 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.660 No, but I think that's it. 318 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:16.140 And, you know, Star Trek ever since has had, has nodded had these nods to the 60s. 319 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:32.460 In that 1st episode of Strange Shoe Worlds, where we see the Mess Hall or whatever, and it's made, it's all just full of beautiful 60s style plastic, modernist plastic furniture. you just think, yes, yes, you know, it is the 60s, I think. 320 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:38.519 Do you know, I was very confused at Spock looking at that young picture of Dupring. what is going on here? 321 00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:40.980 And it's so funny because there's been trivia here. 322 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.519 Wow, that's what I thought, but I think it's supposed to be spring, isn't it? 323 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:45.839 It is, yeah. 324 00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:54.539 The ear on her is absolutely massive, and that is because it was one of the adults ears that they borrowed and slapped on this little girl. 325 00:21:54.539 --> 00:21:55.799 Let her. 326 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:01.559 You've been called the, ah, the best 1st officer in the flea. 327 00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:04.200 That was McCoy, I think, in a previous episode. 328 00:22:04.259 --> 00:22:05.640 Right, right. 329 00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:17.519 But this, look, and so he's, he's made the decision that he will just die, that he can't, see, there's that weird shrine in the background. 330 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:20.400 That's where he's looking as he's talking about this. 331 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:26.099 He's looking into this thing that represents his cultural traditions as he's talking about it. 332 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:31.859 Is he not supposed to talk about it because Vulcans aren't supposed to talk about it to people outside of their race? 333 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.920 No, not even to each other. 334 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:36.539 They don't actually talk about it. 335 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:43.200 So it's like sex was or used to be kind of before the 60s, I guess. 336 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:58.859 You know, like the idea that we don't, and even now, there are things that we don't talk to talk about to people, you know, all the time that sex is is for us, as it is for the Vulcans, right? 337 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:10.799 That it has to be, it's such a strong urge, it's such an important thing that all of these rituals and strange cultural things have grown up around it. 338 00:23:10.859 --> 00:23:15.420 And there are all these taboos about what can and can't be said about it. 339 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:21.180 And that's what is causing him, like he just can't talk about it, even here. 340 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.880 And it's kind of funny, he says it has to do with biology. 341 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:30.480 And Shatner goes, oh, biology, by biology, you mean fucking, right? 342 00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:34.200 And, you know, biology, right? 343 00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:39.960 So even he can't say sex, like he doesn't even talk about sex or sexuality at all. 344 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:42.839 And reproduction is what they land on. 345 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:45.240 Yeah, yeah, they land on reproduction. 346 00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:48.720 And so and so for us, we're like this too. 347 00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:51.180 So that's why I don't think this is just puberty. 348 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.980 I think this is sexuality. 349 00:23:53.039 --> 00:24:09.960 And if you think about sexuality, you know, like sometimes it's like people ruin their lives because they can't resist having sex with the wrong people, you know, like people destroy their marriages or lose their jobs or whatever. 350 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:20.220 Well, I feel like if you're brought up in a household where that is a taboo and then you're obviously mature and somebody does have it and it can absolutely fuck your life. 351 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.900 Yeah, yeah. 352 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.460 So, but it's not just that. 353 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:27.539 I mean, sex is a thing where it's like, yeah, sure, we'll do it, but I'll probably lose my job. 354 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:34.019 But then at other times you just don't want to do it because you're in the middle of an interesting chapter or you want to play Tetris or something. 355 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.940 You know, like it is... 356 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.319 You know my life well, honestly. 357 00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:40.740 You know, sex is a weird thing. 358 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:44.460 And so Vulcan culture has created all of these. 359 00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:45.180 I know people like that. 360 00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:54.839 I know people like Spock that just cannot verbalise. the urges that they have or explore it or understand it. 361 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:58.799 It's just something that they do and they're a bit embarrassed and humiliated by it. 362 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.660 And it's quite sad, you know? 363 00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:03.599 I mean, look at his description. 364 00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:05.339 Look at how he's describing it. 365 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.400 He's saying that we have... 366 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:09.599 The area of civilisation. 367 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:14.220 These are the Vulcans, you know, who are more civilised than human beings. 368 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:19.200 And so this is Kirk being the 1st human being to learn of the ponfire, right? 369 00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:25.920 You know, um, no one's ever talked to anyone outside Vulcan about it. 370 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.900 I want to point out, you know, Sterling... 371 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:36.059 Can I just say the eel birds of Regulus 5 that also have this urge? 372 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.400 The eel birds of regular spy. 373 00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.960 You were saying that, haven't we? 374 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:45.720 When you were like, when they give all these like alien exotic, and then they just put in one human reference as well. 375 00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:47.460 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 376 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.700 Here, the pattern's not quite there because normally it's three. 377 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:56.339 Two of which are real and one of which is a space one, but here you're not a fish, Mr. Spock. 378 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:04.200 I would like to highlight such sterling episodes of Star Trek as The Naked Now and fascinations from DS9. 379 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:10.140 And that one where to poll is going around Enterprise, literally trying to fuck everybody and it's like a horror movie. 380 00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:18.299 Just to show that when sexuality is let on off the leash in Star Trek, it can be really, really terrible. 381 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:26.039 Like, and then, whereas this shows you how it can be done, how it can be done as a thoughtful piece as a mature piece. 382 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:29.160 Okay, yeah, I know you're not going to say that towards the end of the episode when they're fighting. 383 00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.420 Yeah, because, yeah, yeah. 384 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:35.039 But as a character drama rather than, you know, oh, we're all just fucking, isn't that funny? 385 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:37.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 386 00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:38.160 Yeah, that's right. 387 00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:46.619 I mean, like there's a sort of sophomoric and basically kind of, oh, we can do sex now and look at us and it's just super embarrassing. 388 00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.500 I don't think the original series shies away from sex. 389 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.099 It doesn't. 390 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:51.660 There's all romance at least. 391 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 392 00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:54.420 Yeah. 393 00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:05.339 But this, I think, being very definitely a metaphor for just the human sex drive and saying, all right, well, Vulcans are much more logical than us. 394 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:20.220 They're much more civilised than us, but those things, those taboos and stuff are there to restrain something that's much, much more, um, animal and, you know, and that's, that's Canada now. isn't it like Vulcans? 395 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:21.480 It's not that they don't have emotions. 396 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:22.980 Oh, he broke his... 397 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:25.140 They deliberately repressed them. 398 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:32.700 Yeah, because he spends half his life meditating over a candle just to try and keep his, you know, how much he wants to throttle Neelix in check. 399 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.079 Yeah, yeah. 400 00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:35.519 I think he loves... 401 00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:39.119 What are these bizarre skulls all over the wall in this office? 402 00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:40.259 Yeah, yeah. 403 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:48.839 We thought that we thought that Jason Isaac, what was he, Captain Walker was a weirdo for having a gone skeleton in his... 404 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.680 The best one ever. 405 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:56.400 Remember that episode of Picard in the alternative universe, where then Scott, Gold Ducat Skull, and Martock, and Sarak, and everybody. 406 00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:57.359 That was amazing. 407 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.380 Yeah, that's weird, isn't it? 408 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:07.980 I think there's one skull. 1st examples of, you know, the bureaucratic Starfleet Admiral. 409 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.339 Yeah. 410 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:08.759 Yeah. 411 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:10.079 Nona Chea. 412 00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:10.680 I got to say. 413 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.920 No, he's a very colourless white guy, I'm afraid. 414 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.359 You know what? 415 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:20.339 One day I might press that randomiser until I get an episode starring Admiral Nachayev, you know. 416 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.799 We'll be there a long time, but it'll be worth it. 417 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.900 So this is good too, isn't it? 418 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:44.880 I really like this and I had forgotten how it resolved itself, and this is clearly something that they will do later, isn't it, in Star Trek 3, where we are going to disobey an admiral. 419 00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:48.960 We're going to disobey staff orders for the sake of Spock. 420 00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:52.259 Yeah, because he's he's my friend. 421 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.900 We haven't even mentioned Chekhov. 422 00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:58.200 So this is Chekhov's 1st episode, right? 423 00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:01.920 Let me say, he's not given much to do, but what he is given to do. 424 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:11.160 We keep cutting back to check off on Zulu, and they're at the con, having to take the enterprise back and forth to me, whilst Kirk keeps changing his mind, I'll tell you what, they're not getting much about it. 425 00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.599 I was quite very, laughing my head off. 426 00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:16.799 And then he's like, well, put in the coordinates to go back just in case. 427 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:17.940 He changes his mind again. 428 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.140 Yeah, yeah. 429 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:21.599 So what's happening in this scene? 430 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:23.819 So Nurse Chapel goes up to him. 431 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.140 No, it looks like they've post-corded. 432 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:26.700 Doing to the touch him. 433 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:33.359 And then easy, like I can't work out quite what ends up happening here. 434 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:37.980 And, you know, again, she's got a single tear on her cheek. 435 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.700 I know. 436 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.559 And the violins are playing. 437 00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.539 She's got that misty sort of camera work going on. 438 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 439 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.299 They would not debase women quite women this much these days, would they? 440 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:48.779 No. 441 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.059 Are you sure this isn't puberty? 442 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.400 He's been there like drumming his electric guitar. 443 00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:54.359 I know it was a half. 444 00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:57.240 He's been moody in his bedroom. 445 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:02.880 Well, I mean, if puberty, like I think it's about sex and sexuality, right? 446 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:06.359 And but, you know, that's what puberty's about as well. 447 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:12.720 You know, it's not about kids sort of finally kind of working that out or just discovering it, I guess. 448 00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.240 So what's the request here? 449 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:17.819 I don't know, I can't remember what this interaction is. 450 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.640 Gosh, she's beautiful, isn't she? 451 00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:24.299 She is, and I really liked the performance, isn't it? 452 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.980 They are very, very delicate. 453 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:26.940 I mean Nathan, come on. 454 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.460 This is a show set in space where they're all wearing pyjamas. 455 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.400 They do not need to be put in this much effort into these performances. 456 00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:33.660 No, exactly right. 457 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:41.400 And look, so this is him apologising for being a prick earlier, for losing his temper with her. 458 00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:47.099 And admittedly, it is he allows her to cook him something, which... 459 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.539 It's a 1960s, all right? 460 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 461 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:55.380 But it is him... 462 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:56.099 Where's my dinner? 463 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:56.940 You know. 464 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:03.900 Joe, I wonder where that fabulous altar went, you know, because it had a ball and it had sort of mood lights on it. 465 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.519 I'd love that by my bed, you know. 466 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. looks good. 467 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.799 Now, look, so this the lift's going sideways. 468 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:16.740 So he sells explaining now about an insanity that they might find distasteful. 469 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:19.680 It's described as madness. 470 00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:21.480 He just described it as madness. 471 00:31:21.539 --> 00:31:24.539 No, Kirk actually described his own madness there. 472 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:34.079 It's kind of like you put up with my madness and it's another one of those just lovely chatting the lines that are given with a half smile. 473 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.180 So you're absolutely right. 474 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.380 I mean, this is this show is basically a massive bromance, isn't it, amongst these three? 475 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:40.920 Yeah. 476 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:47.099 And I think no matter how good some male, male relationships are later on, and there are some good ones later on. 477 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.200 I don't think they're quite top. 478 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:50.759 This trio. 479 00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.920 Well, this threesome. throuple here. 480 00:31:52.980 --> 00:32:16.799 And I actually, I, obviously McCoy is down on the planet and I've seen that before, but I did actually find myself just a little bit touched by, you know, because they have this, um, adversarial relationship because they are very often, uh, you know, the 2 opposing sides who Kirk has to decide between, but he's every bit as much. 481 00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.440 It's well for example. 482 00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:22.619 And he has scope for conflict and for the bromance. 483 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.519 Do you know what? 484 00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:26.640 screen and I know you want to talk about it. 485 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:31.200 But you know what I think is the best example of this free and how much they love each other, man. 486 00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:32.279 You're going to think I'm mad. 487 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:33.539 Spock's brain? 488 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:34.619 No. 489 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.319 Row, row, row, your boat. 490 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.440 Yes, I actually really like that as well. 491 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:41.700 I love that. 492 00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:44.640 No, and the camera pans out on the campfire. 493 00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:45.359 Oh, that's great. 494 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:45.779 Yeah. 495 00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:46.859 It's terrible. 496 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.779 But yes. 497 00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:52.619 Looking, doing that dialogue, the never touching and always touched. 498 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:58.859 You know, I await you, all of that dialogue, that's how they talk to one another in Strange New Worlds. 499 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.539 They use that dialogue. 500 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.880 How did they break up? 501 00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.319 It was like, the bond is broken. 502 00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:06.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 503 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.420 But they talk like they address one another in these formal ways. 504 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.299 And of course, that's the thing. 505 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:26.460 The reason for that, which is just cheesy and ridiculous, is the fact that anything about Vulcan sexuality has to be surrounded by so much ritual and so much formality because they can't handle it, I guess. 506 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:31.500 This is I'm now watching the new special effect where they are walking across. 507 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:32.579 It's a long shot. 508 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:40.140 They're walking across a massive bridge to the arena where they're going to fight with a cityscape in the background. 509 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.559 I mean, it looks like a ton of money has been poured into this shop. 510 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.599 But it gives the whole planet and this setting a huge sense of scale. 511 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.799 What are you seeing? 512 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.640 Yeah, basically a slow pain across the sand. 513 00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:06.779 So, look, I mean, I think this is a pretty good set, and I do think, like, it has a very, again, you know, you can tell it's made in the 60s. 514 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:11.159 Look at that thing on the wall, the green thing. don't think we can hold that against them though, you know? 515 00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:12.239 No, I love that. 516 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.519 Being made in the 60s is a great thing. 517 00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:15.360 It's just awesome. 518 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:19.980 Um, I just like, I like, I like, it's like Doctor Who in the 60s. 519 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.739 I like the ambition even if they can't always realise it. 520 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.980 I think too, there's something just wonderful and breathtakingly cheesy about this. 521 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:42.900 Like the space outfits, everyone's swearing, and you know, like all of these details that will come up again, all of the things taken from this. 522 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:49.199 So, you know, the those frames that are sort of hexagonal with the bells in them, like they come up again. 523 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.519 Don't you think that's wonderful? 524 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:56.579 All this stuff, these designs and these rituals that they're just making up on the fly in the 60s, yeah, yeah. 525 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.559 I got to have such meaning in the future. 526 00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:04.440 There's going to be, you know, 1000s and 1000s of Star Trek fans, you know, buying into this stuff. 527 00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:08.940 And like, you know, when they cosplayer conventions and things like that. 528 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.159 I swear they do these rituals and things, you know? 529 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.099 No, it's it's just terrific. 530 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:17.460 I'm, yeah, yeah. 531 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.900 You're there for it, yeah. 532 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.219 I really am. 533 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.619 I think it's a great thing. 534 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.679 This is the episode that sets up the Vulcans more than anything else. 535 00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:37.920 I do think, though, this is now on Vulcan, this is now where it feels like a 90s trek episode, where it's sort of like pompous ceremony, taken very seriously, you know? 536 00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:49.199 Well, like it's sort of space things being taken very seriously, but then it's just like sort of beating the shit out of each other at the end of it, which is... 537 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:56.760 No, okay, I need to talk about the conflict inherent in that whole situation with McCoy watching and Kirk and Spock fighting. 538 00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.500 I think it's really well fall through. 539 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:03.900 Yeah, 1st of all, I need to talk about the designs of these fabulous broken guards. 540 00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.219 I look like birds. 541 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:06.179 Oh, so wonderful. 542 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.800 It's so strange They do look like that. 543 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.000 What's the actress' name? 544 00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:24.900 So she is someone, I can't remember her name and she, uh, is, I want to say Austrian, um, she is, she's doing her own accent. 545 00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:26.579 She's marvellous. 546 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.400 This episode, like this is as cheesy as fuck. 547 00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:31.619 Look at the stupid hats that they're all wearing and stuff. 548 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.059 It's so ridiculous. 549 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:40.380 But I think it absolutely sells it. can absolutely be tongue in cheek, you know, that would ruin. 550 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.199 And even when they're doing alien cultures and things like that, there can be a lot of humour. 551 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.360 This is just taken deadly seriously. 552 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.380 I remember saying to you, it reminds me of a similar performance in the 70s Doctor Who story from Cynthia Grenville, where, look at that guy's tits. 553 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.960 The whole situation is utterly absurd. 554 00:36:55.019 --> 00:37:00.300 And she's treating it with such gravity that you just believe... absolutely, absolutely. 555 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.139 For real. 556 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:02.460 She's really good. 557 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:07.559 And she's obviously, oh, look, there, she does the thing, the Vulcan hand thing. 558 00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:08.460 Not everyone can do that. 559 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.139 No, no, well, shoot. 560 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.940 No, I'm actually not sure that's her because I was reading on memory alpha that she couldn't do it. 561 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.619 So they actually pull someone else in. 562 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.079 And it's someone else's hand. 563 00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:22.980 She's, I mean, I think she's really, really great. 564 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.000 Now, his Stone standing next to to Pring here. 565 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:35.400 And Stone was in the episode of Stranger Worlds that we did in the Serene Squall for the 1st time. 566 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:40.380 He's still got the same terrible bowl haircut in Strange New Worlds. 567 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.119 But he was just saw there in the background. wasn't he? 568 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:43.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 569 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.460 But it's a nice of these now. 570 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:58.380 If you know, if you've seen this, you know, it's so nice. know that they're fucking we know that Christine and and Spock are not having sex, but I reckon to bring in Stoner already on. 571 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.000 Oh, for sure. 572 00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:09.000 When she details, at the end of this, what her plan is why she was having a problem. maybe even in Strange New Worlds, maybe even Pegley. 573 00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:09.360 Yeah. 574 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.139 Well, it's a very sexy show that they're all at in that one, you know? 575 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.099 they really are. 576 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:24.300 So to Pau as well, she doesn't appear again, except a young Tappau is in enterprise. 577 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.980 I didn't know that. 578 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.559 Yeah, the character comes back in enterprise. 579 00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:29.699 She was really boring in that. 580 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.659 I bet she was very dull. 581 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:31.559 Almost certainly. 582 00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:43.260 And then there is a scene with like a Vulcan priestess like that called Talar, I think maybe in Star Trek three. 583 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:43.860 I'm not sure. 584 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:52.199 But they, again, they go back to this because this performance is so important and they sort of try and recreate it. 585 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:56.159 She has such intense authority to power. 586 00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:57.480 Yeah, she's magnificent. 587 00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.219 I would not say no to her. 588 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.960 They said to me, Joe, you've got to fight Nathan. 589 00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:01.739 I'd be like, right. 590 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:02.820 Yeah, you can do it. 591 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.599 Now we're getting all of these unmotivated shots of this guy. 592 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.579 And we don't know that he's Stone. 593 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.199 We don't know who he is at all. 594 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.900 And he's got the most ridiculous falconers. 595 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.860 Like they're really, really bad, like much worse than Nemoy's ones. 596 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.460 Which, um, we'll get to a bit later. 597 00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.079 The goal. 598 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.619 Yeah. 599 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.320 Those sort of weird paper clips that they're wearing. 600 00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:28.019 What is that one? 601 00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:28.800 Look at this guy. 602 00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.820 Look at this guy. 603 00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:35.340 Look at his... got this beautiful kind of... 604 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:36.059 He's looking great. 605 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.300 Oh, you're looking at his face. looking at the thing around his mouth. 606 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.880 Oh, the bird beak fear. 607 00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.739 No, I can't stop looking at his tits. 608 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:44.280 Look at them. 609 00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:45.059 He looks amazing. 610 00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:47.340 Hey, should get your priority straight. 611 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.360 Yeah, that's right. 612 00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:54.480 And that, look, Shatner turns around as if to go, why is this asshole getting all these close-ups? 613 00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:56.400 Like, what's he? 614 00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:57.059 What his dad? 615 00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.159 You know Shatner, all right. 616 00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:02.340 He was probably there, saying, to the director, what is going on here, you know? 617 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:09.059 So we just heard to power refer to the blood fever, which is the palm father thing. from Carter Nemoy. 618 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.079 And he left, yeah. 619 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.179 He is literally going to tear someone in half. 620 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.860 And of course, that's why they call the episode blood fever in Voyager. 621 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.619 They take the that's just a quote from the dialogue. this episode. 622 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:21.000 No, as effective as this, though. 623 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.380 Oh, no. 624 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.239 Yeah, well, boy. 625 00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:25.920 I mean, it is it is Roxanne Dawson. 626 00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:27.480 Anyway, she's pretty good. 627 00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:31.619 Unfortunately, Tom Paris is in there going, come on, Balana. 628 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:32.039 Fuck me. 629 00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:34.139 Yuck. 630 00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:41.760 He's taking one for the team Suprina's planned all of this in advance. 631 00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:43.199 She's got a whole plan in advance. 632 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:46.920 If he wins or if he loses, she's getting his property and she's fucking stoned, all right? 633 00:40:46.980 --> 00:40:50.340 So that's why she went up to the thing that it was going to bang. 634 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.920 And she's like, no, we're going to have a challenge. 635 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.119 But why does she choose Kirk? 636 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.179 I can't remember. 637 00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.519 As an excuse. 638 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.239 She has explained it. 639 00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.460 Can Spock have a fight to the death? 640 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:03.300 I think so. 641 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.960 I think we needed Kirk and Spock to have the fight to the death thing. 642 00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.159 Kirk's like, you know what? 643 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.760 I fight him. 644 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.619 Don't worry. like, you know, a bit of swagger. 645 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:12.119 And then it's like, no, it's to the death. 646 00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:13.019 Oh shit. 647 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:14.219 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 648 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.360 Yeah, that's right. 649 00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:16.380 They'll go, wait, death. 650 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.280 Who mentioned that? 651 00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:19.079 When was it death? 652 00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:21.000 That was in the brochure. 653 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.960 I know, I know this is all a bit camp and crazy. now. 654 00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:29.460 But I love the fact that you've obviously you've got Spock who's in conflict with himself. 655 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.099 It's basically the 2 sides for him that are fighting. 656 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.860 You got Kirk who's in conflict because he's fighting his best friend. 657 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:42.000 And then you've got McCoy who's in conflict because he's a doctor and he's watching his 2 best friends slug at each other. 658 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.780 And there's just lots happening whilst the fight is going on, there's lots happening. 659 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.480 And I was just like this is so interesting. 660 00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:50.699 If this was next generation. 661 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:58.079 You know, remember that Abu jitsu scene between Piker and his dad, you know, like, it was a freadful metaphor. 662 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.480 Like, kids fighting their parents. 663 00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:06.059 Well, yeah, I mean, I, I, you know, what about fencing with Picard and Guyan? 664 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.420 I actually think that that's actually not a bad scene, but it's not to the death. 665 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:16.440 Obviously, it's not as good as the racquetball competition between O'Brien and Bashir, when they hate each other's guts so much, they're both trying to win. 666 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.139 Brian gets this move to that as well. 667 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.000 It's really terrible episodes. 668 00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:21.539 Oh, my God. 669 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:31.739 I actually think, like, but to Pring's wearing this, again, something that's so fabulously 60s and they've, they've made her more interesting. 670 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.400 They've given her a job, for instance, in Strange Shoe Worlds. 671 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:38.460 She actually has something to do rather than standing around looking pretty. 672 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.079 They also landed on. 673 00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:49.139 Obviously a lot of the dialogue is couched in metaphor, but they've also landed on this sort of cod Shakespearean, you know, V is able to do this. 674 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:57.659 Yeah, but I think, like the, basically the only person who says that is to Pau, and she doesn't use the correctly. 675 00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820 Like, that's not how Shakespeare uses it. 676 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.980 I think that's the idea, though. 677 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.239 It's that sort of weird. 678 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.280 It's strange. 679 00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:09.360 It's strange, but she absolutely manages to sell it, I think. 680 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:20.760 I think that's pretty incredible because it is like it's cheesy, weird space dialogue and the people riding it must have known that, you know, there's no version of English where that's grammatical, but can I ask you? 681 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.420 Like, obviously, you know, a lot of Vulcans go. a lot of Vulcans out there. 682 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.199 So they're all going through this at some point. she just carried from one place to another? 683 00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.519 Doing one? 684 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:30.239 Is this her job? 685 00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.800 Yeah, I think so. 686 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.159 Yeah. 687 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:32.880 Yeah. 688 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:34.739 She just goes from ponfard upon far. 689 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.960 She's like a celebrant. 690 00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:39.179 How many people? 691 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.000 Yeah, how many people were killed and how many people are fucking today? 692 00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:42.480 Right. 693 00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:43.199 We had a good day. 694 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:43.619 Good. 695 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.099 Yeah. 696 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:48.960 I don't think that everyone has to have a fight to the death before they're allowed to fuck though. 697 00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:50.820 I think that this is a particular thing. 698 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.619 The population would be wiped out, then, wouldn't they? 699 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:53.280 Yeah, that's right. 700 00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.400 Actually, maybe we should introduce that, you know, there's a lot of people on this planet. 701 00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:57.480 That's true. 702 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.539 Might be a lot of effort though, wouldn't it, honestly? 703 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:01.739 I like popping on Grinder. 704 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:02.639 No. 705 00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:07.980 So she, so Nemoy and her had worked before. 706 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:14.039 Nemoy was really pleased that she was back. 707 00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:29.880 Um, you know, and that, like, this is just superb, the 2 of them together, and then some arsehole dress as a cockroach comes on. starts tying a thing around. 708 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:30.719 He's stretching. 709 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.900 Yeah, um, purple scarf around his waist now. 710 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 711 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:39.179 At least I don't fight for the death without a bit of fashion. 712 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:40.500 No. 713 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.760 I love too, the way that, like the 1st injury. 714 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:46.199 It's so hilarious. 715 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:48.179 You know, we did the one. 716 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.679 What was the episode where he's just wandering through the fucking ship with his shirt off? 717 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.179 Like... 718 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.460 Oh, the court might maneuver. yeah. 719 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 720 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.980 And here, obviously, his shirt gets torn. 721 00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:14.280 And again, we get to see his tits, but they're nowhere near as ripped as that Vulcan champion. 722 00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:16.019 No, obviously not. 723 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.159 They've got a bit of dry ice. 724 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.480 He's getting on in the background as well there. 725 00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:21.000 I do like, Oh look, I love these weird Batman angles. 726 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:21.659 They did, yeah. 727 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 728 00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:24.599 The sort of strange Dutch angles. 729 00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.059 It's kind of like it's very 60s. 730 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.960 Well, no, but I think it's kind of displaying the madness that he's going through. 731 00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:32.880 And then you've got that explosion. 732 00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:37.139 So it's like, you know, these violent volcanic emotions going on. 733 00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.400 It's disorienting, isn't it? 734 00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:49.980 And I think maybe we have to sell that that stupid glass thing, you know, that's clearly meant to be a bit of lava on a 1960s TV budget. 735 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.039 Would you indulge me in a quote from Leonard Nemoy? 736 00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:59.400 Because he's a very thoughtful actor, and as you can imagine, adored getting this script that gave all this photos. 737 00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:02.880 And he said, I remember a mock time very well. 738 00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:11.039 It was an excellent script, very poetic, very dramatic, intense, important, and I felt immediately for Spock and the Vulcans. 739 00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:16.679 It was a very exciting episode to shoot and perform, so beautifully written and had great casting. 740 00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:20.039 And I don't think it's wrong on any of those counts. 741 00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:21.659 No, it really is quite great. 742 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:25.440 But then he had different things to say about Spock's brain in episode of the season three. 743 00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:26.159 Well, naturally. 744 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.980 But I mean, this is terribly cheesy. 745 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.699 It's cheesy as hell, and I think it probably does go on for a bit. 746 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.760 Well, the fight I thought the fight was quite well done, you know. 747 00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:40.019 Well, but we are still not up to the fucking fight yet, and we've been here for how long? 748 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:40.800 Do you know what I mean? 749 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.179 Like we're all just sort of standing right. 750 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.539 Well, no, because we're supposed to be at home going, you know, no curb. 751 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.260 No small. 752 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.480 You love each other. 753 00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:56.699 But like in a minute, he literally stabs that thing down where Kirk was. 754 00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:57.780 He is going to kill him. 755 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.179 Yeah, it's only the fact that Kurt gets out of the way in time. 756 00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:07.260 Shannon's reaction when he actually experiences how heavy that is. 757 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.500 Like when the guy trolls it and lets go of it. 758 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:16.559 He just sort of looks way more... you recommend anyone else in Star Trek that can do business like Shatner? 759 00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:18.179 I don't think there is, you know. 760 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:19.500 It's such a great movie. 761 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.760 Remember the end of the doomsday machine. 762 00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:21.300 Come on. 763 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.380 Yeah, miaow now. 764 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:31.440 Yeah, like when he's when he's not being a prick, Shatner's incredible, I think. 765 00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:37.380 It's so good Oh, so this is where that very, very famous music, which is overused actually. 766 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.980 I think I think they use it again and again and again in original series after this. 767 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:56.219 In fact, it's a version of that music, that theme 1st comes in when Spock describes the ponfire, when he's talking to Kirk about it, the music actually does that theme, and now it sort of comes out really strongly. 768 00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:01.619 And there is another scene where this ceremony plays out in an earlier episode of Strange New Worlds. 769 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.260 I think it's in Spock Amuck, possibly. 770 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.619 I bet you were well excited, anyone out here. 771 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.579 Yeah, well, I know I was there going, come on, come on, do the music. 772 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:12.420 You have to do the music. 773 00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:14.579 Surely you're going to do the music and then it comes in. 774 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 775 00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.480 It's so good It's great. 776 00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:22.079 It was like a guitar drumming in the 1st half of the episode. 777 00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:22.500 Yeah. 778 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.920 It sounded a bit like the crossroads theme tuning, I'm honest. 779 00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:27.539 I don't know what that is. 780 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.000 I thought it was really good. 781 00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:34.619 No, it was odd and kind of a little bit off putting. 782 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.079 Like I thought the music was really, really strong. 783 00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:39.239 Not just the theme, not just the final. 784 00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:40.920 I can say that in every original series episode. 785 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:45.539 You say that as much for this series as you do, don't for 90s trek. 786 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.099 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 787 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:58.139 Now, look, I'm not going to complain about the fact that I can see it's clearly a double for them in the long shots when they're doing their most impressive stunts because that is exception. 788 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.559 I was actually kind of enjoying trying to work out. 789 00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.280 Oh, my God. 790 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.519 That overhead shot is double. 791 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:06.599 That weird. 792 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.460 And look, handheld camera work. 793 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.920 Like they are trying to make this pretty dynamic. 794 00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:12.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 795 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.260 Oh. 796 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.639 That's pretty great. 797 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.739 Oh, Jesus. 798 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.000 Ow, that really hurt. 799 00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:20.219 Kicks him. 800 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.000 Yeah, this. 801 00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:22.860 Yeah, that. 802 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.840 That's him about to stab. 803 00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:25.380 What does that mean? 804 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.840 Because the thing means it. means stop. 805 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:29.099 I guess so. 806 00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:33.000 He should have just gone, gentlemen, please. 807 00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:34.800 Maybe it means round two. 808 00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:40.380 Maybe it means bring out the stupid belt things. 809 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.659 A massive slash across his chest. 810 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 811 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:50.760 So he's showing his chest, which is the 2nd most impressive exposed chest. 812 00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:52.260 I love the fact... 813 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.780 It just happened to be whereas chest is, whereas... 814 00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:55.619 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 815 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.099 That's it. 816 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 817 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.780 Oh, if it had been his stunning. like, don't show my stomach, right? 818 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:01.500 Just my chest. 819 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:02.400 Yeah, that's right. 820 00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:14.579 I've been working on it Yeah, you know, in these Star Trek original series, I very often say I would like some of the props for my house, but that sort of that pit with the crystals in it. 821 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.159 It'd be lovely in my living room, that would. 822 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.679 Mostly. 823 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.360 This is great too, because this is how it gets out of it. 824 00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:26.159 And I think this is really neatly done. 825 00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:27.780 The way this ends. 826 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:33.659 The way things are resolved, where you've painted Kirk into a corner. 827 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.679 So we have to have Kirk, some skirk has to die. 828 00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:44.039 Like we spent 10 minutes fucking setting this scene up for the fight to the death. 829 00:50:44.099 --> 00:50:46.800 So we can't cheat our way out of it. 830 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.019 We have to do something. 831 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.219 We have to kind of let it happen. 832 00:50:50.280 --> 00:51:00.239 And the, this is going to destroy my career thing, both of which are resolved quite quickly, but not in a way that I think feels like a cheat. 833 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.159 Like I thought both of them seemed clever. 834 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.579 I do think this seems a little brutal this far. 835 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.139 Like, they are really both going for it. 836 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.539 Yeah, I know, but fighting one another with fucking ribbons or something. 837 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:13.619 They're riving around. 838 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.239 This is kind of hot, you know. 839 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:17.099 Honestly, this is pretty hot. 840 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:18.000 Ow. 841 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:19.619 It's not it. 842 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.719 He's not even trying to hit him. 843 00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.719 Oh my god, look, he's gonna burn him on the coals. 844 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:26.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 845 00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:26.820 That's right. 846 00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:29.460 But Spock's got the advantage, doesn't it? 847 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.500 Because the air's too thin for human beings. 848 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.460 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 849 00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:38.099 So the fact that Kirk is kind of, you know, Matt best in him and matching him is to his credit. 850 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:44.460 Well, I think that we eventually decide that Vulcans are incredibly physically strong, but I don't know where that comes from. 851 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:45.360 Yeah, clearly not, yeah. 852 00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:47.340 Oh my god, he's just strangled him to death. 853 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.039 Yeah, yeah, that where he picks him up and he's just completely floppy like a doll. 854 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:54.000 It's... 855 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.099 And then the striking. lands on the fact that he's so appalled that he's killed Kirk, that he's no longer horny. 856 00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.519 Is that right? 857 00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:03.539 Yeah, well, do you know what I mean? 858 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:09.000 He just needed to fuck someone or kill them and he didn't really mind which and now he's killed him. 859 00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.460 I don't know if I like that match for you, you know. 860 00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:12.179 Fuck or kill. 861 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.980 Well, that's it. 862 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.300 That's the whole thing. 863 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:16.440 Sex and violence. 864 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.920 He, uh, yeah, he's kind of lost it now. 865 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.440 Oh, I see, do you know what? 866 00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.639 his enthusiasm. 867 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.539 I'm looking at the backdrop here and I don't know this has been enhanced on this version. 868 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:36.000 It might, I think it's a little darker and the, the, kind of the, the distance is blurred a little bit. 869 00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:38.639 No, that may well be original. 870 00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:42.000 There is a kind of range of sort of darker mountains and stuff in the background. 871 00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:44.639 It's a pretty good set, you know? 872 00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.559 And they put dry ice in front of it. 873 00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.900 So it's kind of a bit obscured as well. 874 00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:53.460 Do you remember those studio planetary sets in TNG series well? 875 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.900 Oh, awful. 876 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.900 Which was just a south stage with a, you know, green wall. 877 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.460 And this, he's 2nd in command. 878 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:03.900 Like this, any orders? 879 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.679 And he just, I'm going to have myself into a star base. 880 00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:10.320 I love that where it was like, well, you're in charge now. 881 00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:10.920 You've killed him. 882 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.619 It's like an old pirate ship, isn't it? 883 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:13.920 You know? 884 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:15.840 Kill the mirror in charge and take. 885 00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:18.900 Let's say. parade in the middle, yeah. 886 00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:19.679 We haven't we? 887 00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:20.519 In series one? 888 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:21.239 I can't remember. 889 00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:22.260 Yeah, can't remember. 890 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.619 But like at this point, imagine this on 1st transmission. 891 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:27.300 Yeah, you're a little kid watching Star Trek. 892 00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:28.619 And Spock's been through all this. 893 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.760 And now he's killed Kirk. 894 00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:31.739 You'd be the absolute, God, what's going to happen now? 895 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.880 But I mean, I don't think we think that he's Kilkirk watching it. 896 00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:38.699 Oh, no, we're adults than we've seen the movie since, but as a kid. 897 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:40.380 Surely not. 898 00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:46.860 I sat there going, oh, no, what are they going to do without Kirk now? 899 00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:59.519 Yeah, and now it's like, well, this whole thing was to get out of my childhood marriage to you and so I can, I see no logic in preferring stawn over me. 900 00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:02.579 No, particularly with that bad hair. 901 00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:06.420 I think I think that's called, you know, an insult in spoken society. 902 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.159 That's a bit smack talk. 903 00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:10.199 But it is a fact note for that. 904 00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:14.159 I have been watching the only way it's Essex recently and for those people that don't understand this. 905 00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:18.059 It's an English sort of reality TV show. 906 00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:22.440 Thank you very much about some dreadfully rich people and their vacuous love lives. 907 00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:33.119 And it's full of women like to bring who are getting men to fight, you know, fight over them and their, you know, their aim is to money, property, and Botox, you know? 908 00:54:33.179 --> 00:54:38.880 When I was watching her detail, her plan, and it, I'm like, bloody hell, it's like those tower women. 909 00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:39.659 Honestly. 910 00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.059 Well, that's it. 911 00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:45.539 But it's super, it's super logical. 912 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:56.400 Like, she goes through and it covers all of the possible things and they all end up with her being able to go off with Don and um, have lots of money and property and there's... 913 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:57.480 The only way is Pomphar. 914 00:54:57.539 --> 00:54:59.159 That's what she's on. that's right. 915 00:55:00.659 --> 00:55:03.659 I really like this. 916 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:12.659 His line about her where it's kind of like, I think you might just find having is not as nice as wanting because she's awful. 917 00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:16.440 She's terrible. how he's playing that there. 918 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.300 Sort of hurt and sad and downcast. 919 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.019 I can absolutely see Ethan Peck playing that in exactly the same way. 920 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.219 Yeah, yeah. 921 00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:34.139 It doesn't really, really, like, again, it looks a camera, it looks emotionless, sort of downcast and a bit sexy, you know? 922 00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 923 00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:35.940 Yeah. 924 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.260 I think I think he's probably studied Nemoy quite a bit. 925 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:41.340 Oh yeah, for sure. 926 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:42.480 How could you not? 927 00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.059 On that. peace and long life. 928 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:46.559 Leave Volk and Prosper, I'll do neither. 929 00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:49.920 I think that's one of those roles, isn't it? 930 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.539 That in the wrong hands. 931 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.599 It could have been really embarrassing, but you've got a very thoughtful actor there that's like, do you know what? 932 00:55:57.659 --> 00:56:00.659 I've got these stupid comedy ears on, but I'm going to sell this. 933 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.099 I'm gonna do it seriously. 934 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:03.900 I'm gonna just do my job properly. 935 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.579 My God, it's that special effect shot again. 936 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.739 It is so good. 937 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.260 Ah, yeah, no, I'm just looking at the set. 938 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.940 Oh my word. 939 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.920 This bit now, where he sees Kirk. 940 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.980 Oh, I love this so much. 941 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:18.119 This is so good. 942 00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:20.820 McCoy kind of leaves him hanging a little bit. 943 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.079 I think we've kind of allowed it all the time, but McCoy's a bit of a douche in this one. 944 00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:26.820 Yeah, that's right. 945 00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:32.400 I can see like in this scene, just the lighting. 946 00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:35.280 Can we talk lighting, you know, just the way the sets are lit. 947 00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:38.519 Here he comes and the reaction. 948 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.780 And you know what? 949 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.920 His smile is more beautiful than not seeing it very often. you know, look at that. 950 00:56:46.980 --> 00:56:48.719 And then he reacts. 951 00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:51.420 Yes, no, he does the Picard maneuver. 952 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.440 He pulled his tuniform down. 953 00:56:52.800 --> 00:57:05.159 But everyone else's reaction, like I actually found, I actually teared up a little bit watching, I mean, this is my 2nd time watching this in as many days, but the 1st time I just thought that was astonishingly beautiful. 954 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:11.579 And I had seen this before and I remembered, but, you know, I didn't really remember that bit. 955 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:18.059 And, you know, the moment I'd seen that smile, I knew that I'd seen him smile before, but I didn't know that that was where it was here. 956 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.079 I think it's beautiful. 957 00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:20.880 I think it's really lovely. 958 00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:22.739 And it doesn't undermine the character. 959 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.360 Like everyone sort of smiles indulgently, but... 960 00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:28.619 Go away wants to know with the Goss. 961 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:29.519 What happened with the cow? 962 00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:30.239 The wedding. 963 00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:30.719 Tell me. 964 00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:33.059 Yeah, I'm not sure. 965 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:37.679 I'm not sure if I buy the fact that he, you know, he killed Kirk, so that's it. 966 00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:39.780 The whole thing over. 967 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:54.719 Except remember that there is that sort of madness, that sort of visceral madness and that either it shows itself in sex or violence, you know, like, I don't think that that's like that's appalling that we link those 2 things together and stuff. 968 00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:55.920 No, no, no, not that. 969 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.780 It's just the fact that, you know, suddenly we've hit the point where Kirk's dead and he's all right now. 970 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:02.940 Yeah, yeah. 971 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.860 But yes, but at what cost? 972 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.579 You know what I mean? 973 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.940 He comes to his senses the moment he's killed his best friend. 974 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.320 Like, I think that's good. 975 00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:13.920 Would it have been the same when we'd gone the other way and he just had a very good orgasm. 976 00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:16.019 Oh, well, I'm all right now. 977 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:16.800 No, no, no. 978 00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:18.059 Like, I think that that works. 979 00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.559 Like, I don't think it's a cheat at all. 980 00:58:19.619 --> 00:58:26.699 And I really like the fact that, um, yes, he tried to explain it away. 981 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:28.920 And Kirk likes that. 982 00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:30.360 Like Kurt goes, yes. 983 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:31.980 And a pig's eye. 984 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.820 Yeah, no, McCoy has to be a dick about it. 985 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:41.340 As we've noted in the past, these, you know, joke endings can go one of 2 ways. 986 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:42.900 That one actually works. 987 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:54.420 Yeah, I thought it worked too. doesn't end with them laughing, but they also get the message from Starfleet Command, remember, that to Powell said, thank you for coming to Vulcan. 988 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.260 You were very helpful. 989 00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:57.719 This is a, you know, great moment or something. 990 00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:01.739 And so he's forgiven because Celia Lovsky, she is. 991 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 992 00:59:05.340 --> 00:59:07.800 Yeah, she's called... 993 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:08.639 Really, really great. 994 00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.659 But I'll tell you what, right? 995 00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:18.300 Yeah, I know you said like the 2nd half of that episode, it's all kind of camp ritual and a bit over the top and lots of fighting and all of that. 996 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:24.119 But the whole episode is rooted in character and really good character work. 997 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:30.119 And so I can kind of let everything else slide because I really care about those characters and I want to see where this ends up. 998 00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:36.599 But as a Star Trek fan, I also love camp space rituals stuff. 999 00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:39.239 Like I, that's a nice... 1000 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:40.800 I ain't just starstrate you like that in. 1001 00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:44.820 That's that's just great. 1002 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.800 Like I just absolutely love that. 1003 00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.480 That's one of the things that we watch for. 1004 00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:52.320 We want to see people come out dressed as birds, you know? 1005 00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:54.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 1006 00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:56.159 Shakespearean dialogue. 1007 00:59:56.219 --> 00:59:57.239 Exactly. 1008 00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.460 Of course we do. 1009 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:08.099 And even like, I think even the very cheap shocks, like, 0 my God, Kirk's dead because it's played so well. 1010 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:09.900 Like even that pays off. 1011 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.280 Yeah, that's right. 1012 01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:27.780 It's played completely seriously, we've got no clue as to how he cannot be dead, and I don't think, you know, we see McCoy give him the injection, but McCoy's explanation for it is absolutely rooted in dialogue that we've heard before. 1013 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.019 And so we don't think twice about it. 1014 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.139 And then we discover that that was how he saves him. 1015 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:34.980 I think it's good. 1016 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.659 You know, it's just solid. 1017 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.199 Do you not remember how they tried to pull this off in TNG? 1018 01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:44.039 So there's that fabulous episode where Deanna Troy becomes a complete vamp. 1019 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:53.880 She puts these 2 crystals together and she turns into this like evil witch queen trying to attack Picard with a knife on the transport pad and they're like, 0 my god, we got to get them to do the ritual again. 1020 01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.300 Right. 1021 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.519 I can kill Troy for 2 minutes only. 1022 01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:57.780 Only 2 minutes. 1023 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:03.480 And they actually detail the whole thing rather than just killing her off and actually having the shock moment. 1024 01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:05.099 They're like, right, we'll kill her for 2 minutes. 1025 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.380 Then we'll do the ritual and then she'll be fine. 1026 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.719 Well, that's just kind of the whole climax of any kind, that, if we sat down and gone, right. 1027 01:01:12.780 --> 01:01:16.920 So, Kirk, I'm going to kill you off with this injection. 1028 01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:17.519 Yes, yeah. 1029 01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:18.900 Yeah, that you're right. 1030 01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:22.619 They would have absolutely had to kind of... 1031 01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:28.260 Like, McCoy clearly doesn't plan it ahead because he, no, they don't go in there expecting it to be a battle to the death. 1032 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.380 That's great as well, because all the reactions what they find. 1033 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:32.519 Well, yeah, exactly. 1034 01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:34.500 It's still to death. 1035 01:01:34.619 --> 01:01:35.039 What do you mean? 1036 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:39.300 It's just also the Shatner thing. 1037 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:42.420 That's, I didn't notice that until this time through. 1038 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:54.360 Just his reaction to discovering how heavy that stupid Vulcan thing is the moment that the attendant lets it go and he's holding it on his own. just a brilliant piece of Shatner business. 1039 01:01:54.420 --> 01:02:09.900 I'm starting to learn with TOS as well because I always kind of wrote off a lot of the performances of 60s trek as being very theatrical and, you know, Shatner being massive, you know, chewing the scenery, like the best scenery chewer we've ever seen. 1040 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.260 Actually, there are so much... 1041 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.579 I'm not going to say nuance. 1042 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.400 There's so much business going on in original trek. 1043 01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:19.619 You could watch it on that terms alone. 1044 01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:21.480 The episodes are full of it. 1045 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:26.159 He's just really funny and likeable and relaxed. 1046 01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:33.179 And so sometimes it's all just a little bit over the top and overplayed, but he's absolutely worth watching whenever you see him. 1047 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:34.980 And, you know... 1048 01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:36.900 Even the bit where he came out at the end there, right? 1049 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.420 And he's behind Spock, and he's just waiting. 1050 01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:41.280 He's like, there was a massive brand of his back. 1051 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.780 He's going to see me in a minute. 1052 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:43.920 He doesn't know I'm coming. 1053 01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:45.719 No, he says the line. 1054 01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:47.639 He says, don't you think you should ask me first? 1055 01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:49.679 I'm still in command, you know. 1056 01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:50.579 So good. 1057 01:02:50.639 --> 01:03:00.719 So I think what I'm learning about original trek as we go through this thing is that it is a lot more visually interesting than I suspected. 1058 01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:04.980 It's a lot better acted than I suspected and at its best. 1059 01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:09.119 It's really well written and fought through. 1060 01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:09.420 Yeah. 1061 01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:10.500 Yeah. 1062 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:17.639 I mean, you know, I think there have been series better than this. 1063 01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:18.420 Yes. 1064 01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:19.920 But I agree. 1065 01:03:19.980 --> 01:03:22.380 But this sets it all up. 1066 01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:29.579 All of those series are playing in the playground with the possibilities and this is opened and it does. 1067 01:03:29.579 --> 01:03:30.659 It's a built on it, isn't it? 1068 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.639 This is such a brilliant foundation. 1069 01:03:32.699 --> 01:03:38.400 But the show does such an incredibly wild, weird number of different things. 1070 01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:42.300 It's not just space battles every week or anything like that. 1071 01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.760 It's not just treaty negotiations every week. 1072 01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:46.739 It can be as weird as it wants to be. 1073 01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:50.219 You know, it's it's so bold, isn't it? 1074 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.679 It's so willing to go out there as well. 1075 01:03:52.739 --> 01:03:54.900 I mean, Abraham Lincoln floats in space. 1076 01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:00.420 There's a massive smoking turd monster in one episode, the Easter bunnies jumping around on location. 1077 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:06.539 I mean, they're really, I don't know how we ever got to like a latter-day 90s trek. 1078 01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.619 Do you remember stigma? 1079 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:14.460 when everyone was very quietly talking in rooms about not talking about the subject matter they're supposed to be talking about? 1080 01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:16.739 and it was just so true. 1081 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:18.179 Like, how do we get from here to there? 1082 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:19.739 Yeah, yeah. 1083 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:20.280 Who knows? 1084 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:29.460 Well, I mean, I think that that is one of the things that I have liked about there being a new era of track recently. 1085 01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:38.460 So we had 90s trek coming in and reinterpreting Trek and, you know, creating something bigger and more complex than had gone before it. 1086 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.840 But failing, I think in certain crucial ways. 1087 01:04:42.900 --> 01:05:01.079 And then we get an entirely new take on Star Trek that goes back to the source material and sees different things in it, things that it likes and wants to emphasise and makes different choices from the revival in the 80s and 90s. 1088 01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:02.219 And I'm really happy about that. 1089 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:17.880 Strange New World is essentially like what if original Star Trek had the budget it needed to really create this sense of wonder out in space was a little bit more relaxed and treated its women way better. 1090 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:26.340 Yeah, absolutely with the ethos of original trek of like going out there, new life, new civilisations, et cetera. 1091 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:27.179 Yeah. 1092 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:31.139 And I think watching the 2 in tandem is a really rewarding experience. 1093 01:05:31.139 --> 01:05:46.199 See, I think the thing that Strangely World has done is that it hasn't shied away from the kinds of high concept things that could easily just face plant and fail. 1094 01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:48.960 And I think that's really great. 1095 01:05:49.019 --> 01:05:59.099 And I think that this version of Trek has embraced all of the silly, ridiculous things that we were maybe a bit embarrassed about in the 90s. 1096 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.039 And I'm kind of happy to see that all come back. 1097 01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:03.599 And you know what? 1098 01:06:03.659 --> 01:06:05.880 It's charming as fuck as well. 1099 01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:06.780 Yeah. 1100 01:06:11.099 --> 01:06:18.300 All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to choose what we're going to watch next. 1101 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:25.199 It's my turn and I'm on Untitled Star Trek Project.com slash Randomiser. 1102 01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:28.139 I'm intrigued to know what you're going to select this week. 1103 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.599 Well, don't get too excited. 1104 01:06:30.659 --> 01:06:36.179 All I've decided to do after slamming 90s trek in my closing statement just now. 1105 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.179 I'm going to choose a 90 strike episode. 1106 01:06:39.539 --> 01:06:42.840 So it's Star Trek Generation. 1107 01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:46.739 I was going to say, here's where we're hardest on this thing, isn't it? 1108 01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:48.059 In this podcast. 1109 01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:50.880 Let's try let's try and find something really good then. 1110 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:52.980 Yeah, okay. 1111 01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.920 Or something really hilariously bad. 1112 01:06:55.980 --> 01:06:57.420 I'd be happy. 1113 01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.920 Next Generation. is it? 1114 01:06:58.980 --> 01:07:00.000 Yeah, okay. 1115 01:07:00.059 --> 01:07:02.820 No, next gen, Deep Sa 9, Voyager, or Enterprise. 1116 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:04.260 I'm kicking all of them. 1117 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:05.639 Okay. 1118 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:09.000 All right, pressing the button. 1119 01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:12.059 Oh, I don't know this one at all. 1120 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:13.679 It's Star Trek Enterprise. 1121 01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:19.139 Series 3, episode 16 Doctors Orders. 1122 01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:24.599 Oh, it's it's a possible episode in series three. 1123 01:07:24.659 --> 01:07:27.239 It's it's fun, middling. 1124 01:07:27.300 --> 01:07:28.380 Okay. 1125 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.239 You could describe Enterprise that way. 1126 01:07:30.300 --> 01:07:30.900 I mean, honestly. 1127 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.760 Well, yeah, I guess so. 1128 01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:34.380 Look, yeah, I don't know. 1129 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.440 John Billingsley's a personal hero, but I am going to press the button again. 1130 01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.440 In the season, he's the hardest owner as well. 1131 01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:41.099 Seriously? 1132 01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:42.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1133 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:50.760 All right, so this is Voyager, season one, episode 11, state of flux. 1134 01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:52.500 Oh my God. 1135 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.880 Oh my god. 1136 01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:55.500 Okay, and I know I do this a lot. 1137 01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:58.500 This is the episode where Cesca is exposed. 1138 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.239 Oh, really? 1139 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.820 fucking awesome. 1140 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:12.780 This is the episode where she says to Janeway and Chakotay, you're a forge, Cotay, and you're a fool too, captain, and she just beams out in front of both of them. 1141 01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:13.800 Oh wow. 1142 01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:14.639 What do you reckon? 1143 01:08:14.699 --> 01:08:16.319 I love sister. 1144 01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:16.920 Oh my god. 1145 01:08:16.979 --> 01:08:17.640 Do you know what? 1146 01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:37.020 prime factors and state of flux back to back and it's at a point in series one of Voyager where they kind of dropped a couple of middling episodes and then there's 2 absolute zingers to come out back to back where one is about the premise of them getting home and stealing technology from a culture in order to get that. 1147 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:44.579 And Chevok is the one that steals it ultimately and bring, it gives a brilliant speech as to how it was logical for him to do so at the end. 1148 01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:49.079 And it's Kate Mulgrew's reaction to that. which really sales it. 1149 01:08:49.140 --> 01:09:01.260 But this whole episode is Martha Hackett's, like, coming out story, where the whole episode, she's like, Jakote, how could you ever think this of me, you know, like, I am your lover. 1150 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.159 And then at the end, she just goes full on supervillain. 1151 01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.659 It's just crazy. 1152 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.039 I've seen this recently. 1153 01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:09.539 It's as good as I remember it being. 1154 01:09:09.659 --> 01:09:10.439 Oh, okay. 1155 01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:11.039 All right. 1156 01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:11.939 Let's do that one then. 1157 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.619 Okay, let's do it. 1158 01:09:20.460 --> 01:09:25.859 You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 1159 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:31.560 We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel. 1160 01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:36.779 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citron, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 1161 01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:42.479 This episode was recorded on the 21st of August 2022 and released on the 2nd of September. 1162 01:09:42.539 --> 01:09:46.979 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, State of Flux. 1163 01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:07.199 Yeah. 1164 01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:09.539 God, I love talking about original series. 1165 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.520 I really like it. 1166 01:10:11.579 --> 01:10:12.180 It's so good. 1167 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:13.260 I enjoyed that so much. 1168 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.899 That was great. such a good episode. 1169 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.539 Is you? 1170 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:19.140 Is it you? 1171 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.640 Yeah, it's you. 1172 01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:21.359 Yeah, it's me. 1173 01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:21.960 Yeah. 1174 01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:29.399 Then I'm going to go to bed, I think, pretty quickly. 1175 01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:29.699 Really? 1176 01:10:29.699 --> 01:10:33.779 Yeah, I'm boarding a appreciation for the original track. 1177 01:10:35.579 --> 01:10:40.079 It might be my biggest takeaway, you know, from on title of Star Trek project. 1178 01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:41.039 Yeah. 1179 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:42.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1180 01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:45.659 Yeah, I haven't really properly had any reason to watch it. 1181 01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:51.960 I think it's because we know The rest. 1182 01:10:52.020 --> 01:10:54.720 So to see how this informs that is really interesting. 1183 01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:01.079 All right, it's the end of the episode.