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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So tonight we are back aboard Deep Space 9 and it's the 1st year

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and the 10th or 11th episode, depending on how you count these

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things, it's the Nagus.

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It was a potential that this could have been really truly shit

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because it's a series one episode of DS9, you know, the batting

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average ain't great.

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However, we have somehow managed to set upon one of the 5 decent

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episodes of the 1st series and I thought this was an absolute

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delight.

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Yeah, I thought this was really terrific fun.

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So the other ones, when we were talking just now off mic.

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The other ones were, I said, duet, progress.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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In the hands of the prophets, you said.

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And this one.

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Yeah, pretty much they're like the big here.

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She's maybe Vortex as well, the Odo one.

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Yeah, vortex is pretty good.

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Otherwise, we've got a lot of sub sort of TNG episodes move along

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home.

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Well, what's the one where all of their, um, well, dramatis

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personae.

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Oh God, yes.

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Remember that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, very well.

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Sadly.

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But I think this is really, really very good.

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And it's not obvious.

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Like if you were watching emissary, I don't think you would have

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predicted that we would start to have episodes, you know, on Star

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Trek, the Next Generation, you'll have a Geordie episode or a data

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episode or something like that.

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And so maybe we could guess that everyone in the opening credits

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would get their own episode.

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There'd be an episode called Dax, for instance, that was about

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Dax.

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And here we have our big quark episode.

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And it actually sort of experiments with something that is going

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to be a mainstay of the show, which is Quark and his kind of gang

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of various Ferengi that we meet over the years, including Wallace

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Sean, Zach.

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No, this is basically a test that you're right for sort of

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subgenre or Ferengi episodes that we're going to get.

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Which, you know, I'll be honest, I'll divisive.

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Some people absolutely love them and other people just can't bear

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them.

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And I get that, you know, like, really, when you're looking at

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Star Trek, you're not going for sort of cartoon characters

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bumbling about, you know, talking about proper, and but it...

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Yeah, maybe you are.

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And it's best it's really sharp.

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Really clever comedy and it's worst. profit and lace.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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But I mean, we had the 2 sort of House of Quark episodes, you know

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that one and the sequel that we've both done.

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And those aren't Ferengi heavy in particular.

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They're quark heavy.

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Well, you got once later on like Little Green Man and the

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magnificent Ferengi.

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I think they're just sublime of those episodes.

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There are sort of ones which fall in the middle.

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There's one in series 3 called Profit.

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No, Google, I can't remember what it's called. is a profit and

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loss, isn't it?

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No, that's not that swallow. the one where the negus makes contact

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with the wormhole aliens and he comes to DS9 and he's been turned

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like really good and benevolent and they're trying to figure out

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what's going on.

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And that one is a bit here and miss.

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And there's some one set on Ferenginar as well where it just feels

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like an episode of The Simpsons, you know?

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Right.

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I mean, this one, this is a little bit different from those in

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that they've only given the A plot to the Ferengi, and then

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there's a really strong B plot, which I think is beautiful, like

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just, like very affecting.

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Very well judged with a really very gentle, but very effective

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payoff.

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And so with the time split between those plots, it just feels like

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hanging around on the station for 45 minutes having fun.

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And like I think that's superb.

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I'm absolutely here for that.

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Because this is an absolutely a phrase that you have coin.

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You have a habit of doing this on podcasts, you know, of coining

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phrases, which then other people starts to nick.

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And Hang Time is a great description to point at DS9, because I

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think you could probably look at about half the episodes of DS9

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and just title them Hang Time on the station.

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That's basically what they are.

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But I think the characters have to be well, the characters have to

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be very strong in order for that to be effective.

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And the setting has to be interesting as well.

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And I think, yeah, it's not the scores in both of those

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categories.

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I would like to talk to you about Wallace Shaun.

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Yeah.

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I've only, do you know what?

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I've only seen him in a couple of things that I know he's had a

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huge career and he started, you were mentioning a few bits you'd

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seen him in.

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Oh, well, obviously he's in Princess Bride, you know, which is

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terribly important and quotable.

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But I've mentioned before that my husband watched young Sheldon

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and I would wander in the room and sort of sit down for a bit and

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he was sort of bingeing it over a period of time.

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And Wallishawn's in that.

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And he combines being a funny sitcom character with being kind of

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genuine and likeable and sort of sweet.

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And here he gets to be a bit naughtier than that.

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Oh, so, so kinky.

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It's one of those old man, you know?

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He really is.

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But it's one of those things where you think, holy crap, you know

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it's like we've got Louise Fletcher Academy Award winner, Louise

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Fletcher, as a semi-regular character.

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We got Wallace Sean here as a semi-regular character.

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And as they go along, they total up more and more and more until

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you've got this enormous cast.

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Okay, so Sean was brought in for this role.

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And interestingly, Armond Shimmerman was a little bit concerned

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because he thought like Sean might take it 2 over the top.

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I mean I don't think he was entirely wrong.

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A little bit over the top.

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But David Livingston, who is responsible for the story here, not

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the telly player, that's Ira Stephen Bear.

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And he directed this episode as well, David says in my fabulous

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book from the latest charity shop hole, Captain's Logs, Sean was

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brilliant.

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It was Rick's idea to offer the parts of Wally Shaun, and I

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complimented him at the end of the show.

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I said to Wally, you are a totally fearless actor, you went for it

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and you didn't hold anything back.

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When he did his 1st scene, he didn't even know what a Ferengi

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was.

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I kept saying more, more, bigger, bigger.

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Let me tell you when it's too big.

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I never told him to put back after he got the initial thing down

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he sat on a stewart quarks, which was the 1st scene we shot, and

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the moment he opened his mouth, the whole stage lit up and the

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cast was cracking up.

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The car still quotes lines from the show with his inflection.

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Whenever someone makes a mistake on set, we'll say, and you failed

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miserably.

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It was a comedy and having him and Almond together was a treat for

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me.

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I mean, it paid off, didn't it?

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It was a risky cast and it paid off because he's back again and

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again.

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Yes, yeah, I know.

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It's fantastic.

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And, you know, he has his own kind of storylines and things.

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I think, you know, and it all starts here.

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I don't think this is where it ends up going.

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I think this is a little bit thinner than we normally get.

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I think it's a bit darker as well in places.

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Yeah, I think so too.

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And he's given a bit more of a nuanced performance of what he

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lands on, ultimately, which just to come in and just belt out

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fantastic one liars.

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Yeah.

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Lines like, was it boys?

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Together, we're going to retake an empire.

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I'll die in the attempt, you know?

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Such great.

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It's so funny. watch him in action.

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I think we should.

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So I'm going to count this in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I mean, this basically had to work, didn't it?

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Otherwise, we never would have had 40 episodes again after this.

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No, that's right.

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You know, presumably we would have had Quark episodes.

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So here, this makeup is clearly cast off nog or something, like he

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looks really familiar.

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Um, but he's Eric Trump, isn't he?

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He's like, uh, Zach's large adult son.

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He casts a very long shadow, Nathan.

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It's all that stuff about my father.

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You know, Eric Trump's always saying that.

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My father invented beetroot.

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Yes, I do too.

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He's got all these excited news.

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I'm going to take you to the live game.

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Look at this business.

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This is a little kid.

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He's like, he's playing 14.

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I don't know how old he is.

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He's tiny.

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Like he ends up being much taller than Avery.

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And like there's a little bit of business where he puts his shoe

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on the wrong foot and then gets exasperated and then puts it on

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the right foot because he's in such a hurry.

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And, you know, he knows his father's coming.

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And I think he's so, he just sells it.

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He's so good.

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You know, child actors don't have to be good.

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And I don't want to criticise his career post-DS night, but I

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haven't seen him do an awful lot, which is a shame, you know

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because the best of his episodes, the visitor, all the back to the

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show.

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He's giving like astonishingly good performances.

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But I really buy him here.

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You know, like I, I, he's really selling. something about this

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character.

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These early Jake and Knox subplots that I just adore.

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It really feels like hang time on the station.

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It's before we've gone sort of galactic politics and we're just

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hanging with the catholic and all of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think too, the other thing is that this is a very kind of

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standard sitcom plot, which is, you know, the father dealing with

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his son growing up and becoming a teenager and becoming

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independent and being worried about how that will turn out.

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Look at the pecking order here.

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So Quark is yelling at ROM, and ROM is, ROM has given back some

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lost money to some Darbo girl or something, or some woman, and

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then, oh, here's the 1st rule of acquisition.

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Is this our first, you have the rules.

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You never give it back.

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I think it is.

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It certainly ain't the last.

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And I'll tell you now, that's another thing they merchandised

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eventually.

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Yeah, there's a book.

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Yeah.

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So, and now, and now Rom, who is a bit darker than we, he lands on

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I think.

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You know, he's the loveable.

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Oh, the whole 1st season in series 7.

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Yeah, he's a tweaking in series two.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, make him more kind of goofy.

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But here we get now he is bullying.

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No. about being at school.

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But there's something sort of slightly horrible about this bit.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's still delivered in that wrong way and it's still sort of

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slightly comedic, but the idea is he doesn't want him going to

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school.

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What the hell is that?

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What do they say in that fucking shop?

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I know, but I thought that was a lovely shot going up because you

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yeah, it's just nothing about the episode, is it?

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They're selling freeze dried dinosaurs in that shop on the

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promenade over there.

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I love this line.

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Do you know what?

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There's a couple of times when they do this with Cork ending a

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filthy joke. and this time it's, your brother?

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I thought it was your wife and there's one in series 4 where he

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goes, and he said, that's not my antenna.

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But we actually heard Morn laugh there.

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Yes, like mourn actually laughs.

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You hear him?

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Right?

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Okay.

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And what's he called?

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He's a...

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Lemarian.

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Yeah, that's it.

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And they never talk on Discovery.

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We have them on Discovery but they never talk.

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That may be years.

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But you could only imagine Wallace Sean's face when he was

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presenting this.

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Well, he's kind of funny looking.

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Like he is a comedy character actor.

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He is sort of funny looking, but this is really grotesque.

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Nathan, he don't know nothing like that.

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That is that is true.

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And you know what?

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He's got the most astonishing ear hair coming up.

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Later on, he gets a brush and he just starts like grooming it.

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Like he's really sexy, you know?

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It's so great.

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So he's here to experience Quark's pawn collection.

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Well, that sort of a side issue, isn't it?

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He does have a real reason for being here.

283
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Oh, yeah, yeah, but essentially we're starting off with porn.

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Is that right?

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This is a running threat in Quarks throughout all the people.

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Fuck on the holodeck.

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And, you know...

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I'm just going to say, I'm not going to say uses the hollow suite

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holodeck forum.

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I think it's more salacious than TNG would ever be.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's sort of an acceptance of debauchery in quarks that you

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would never get intent forward.

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Isn't there something in lower decks about how disgusting it is to

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clean out the holiday.

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I'm the one who wants to clean the walls when they're done.

297
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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Who would want that job?

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I mean, I've got, you know, like, oh, maybe I shouldn't go here

301
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but you know, in those gay saunas, you know, someone's got to do

302
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that job.

303
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Yeah, that's, I guess that's true.

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Someone's role this very second.

305
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They probably have a hose.

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They probably hose things down.

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Nathan, are so stately.

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So boring, aren't they?

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Do you know what?

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I could use this as like, you know, sort of meditative exercise to

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fall asleep to. these titles.

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I don't think that was the effect they were going for, you know?

313
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No, I think the music is really good.

314
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Like, I think is it the best 90s trek theme?

315
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It's it's apart from Faith of the Heart, obviously.

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You are bad, man.

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It's nice.

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I prefer it when it's jazzed up and I know you prefer it here.

319
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Yeah, well, I mean, it has to be jazzed up because the show

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changes, but when it's a lonely outpost on the distant fringes of

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the galaxy.

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This is actually quite nice, I think.

323
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Actually, it does express that, doesn't it?

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Did you ever see the original designs, some of the original

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designs of the DS9 when it was going to be a Starfleet base?

326
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Oh my god, that looks so boring.

327
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It's just like, you know, your stock Starfleet based.

328
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Then they took upon Yeah, we make it Cardassian, we set it in

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Bajor, and they did it as a complete circle.

330
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So the pylon's all touched and they were like, this ain't

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working.

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This ain't working.

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And eventually someone went, well, let's just take the top off and

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the bottom off. they were like, there you go.

335
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They wanted something that when you saw it, you knew immediately

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that Steve Space 9 and no other show.

337
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And I think they succeeded at that.

338
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Well, I mean, that's what they did with the original enterprise.

339
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All right.

340
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So I'm a school teacher and I am going to say that O'Brien is

341
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really shit at this.

342
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And it's not a very convincing schoolroom in the future.

343
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I do like the thread of this, though, that they run through the

344
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1st couple of seasons.

345
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It's nicer when it's Keiko and it's brilliantly done in the hands

346
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of the prophets where Kai Winn walks in.

347
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So you're committing splashism talk.

348
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Yeah.

349
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Yeah, so.

350
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And there is something here too, where like...

351
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There's something about how racist towards Ferengi's human beings

352
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are... is a problem.

353
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Yeah, we get it from Cisco.

354
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And one of the things I think that informs Cisco's reaction to

355
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Jake at the end is that he said no humans and Ferengis tend not to

356
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get on.

357
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Do you know what I mean?

358
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And this is Starfleet, we should be trying to get on.

359
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And so he's a little bit bashed, I think.

360
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Yeah, yeah.

361
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There was a very anti-Ferengi feeling in TNG because they were

362
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supposed to be the villains when they 1st came in.

363
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Yeah, they realised...

364
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Yeah, fucking ridiculous.

365
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We can't go with it. in rompers with the sort of big ears and

366
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stuff and they kind of went actually.

367
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But do you know, they address it.

368
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What you just said at that point about Starfleet being racist

369
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about throwing if they dress it in the Jem'Hadar at the end of

370
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season 2 and court gets this massive speech where he says, you

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don't like Ferengis and, you know, you're happy to tell us and yet

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you're in this amazing tolerant federation of planet.

373
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It's a great thing. really good.

374
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Lots of motor. remember the bit in Wear of the Warrior?

375
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It's so bubbly and cloy, just like the Federation.

376
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He is critical of the Federation a lot, and I think with good

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reason.

378
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But here, here, Jake is friends with Nog, he's not reaching out or

379
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anything like that.

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They genuinely like each other and they hang out together.

381
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And that's better than Cisco has managed and the Federation is

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managed with the Ferengi generally.

383
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And so look how little he is.

384
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That's not the most compassionate or tolerant of men.

385
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No, I wouldn't pick him to be a supply teacher. in a million

386
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years.

387
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Yeah, it's his wife's nepotism.

388
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Oh, look at that drink there.

389
00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:17.339
What's that?

390
00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.759
Yeah, silken sunrise, I think.

391
00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:27.660
What is it about the guest characters on Night's Trek having these

392
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enormous book Silent?

393
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Uh, like...

394
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So this is like Mr. Harm only for the Nagus.

395
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But why is someone called Tiny Ron?

396
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They hard do.

397
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No later on in the episode where he can't walk and he's got his

398
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arm around him and he's having to stoop really low.

399
00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.380
It's such funny visual.

400
00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.619
Yeah, so Quark's scared, isn't he?

401
00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.339
The Nagus has realised his incredible success having a bar so

402
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close to the wormhole that he's going to come in and nab it off

403
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him.

404
00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.099
Yeah, yeah.

405
00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.839
But his plaids are bigger than that.

406
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And sillier.

407
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:06.960
Much sillier.

408
00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:09.720
I'm sure involved.

409
00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:10.440
Here we go.

410
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There he is.

411
00:19:11.339 --> 00:19:13.680
So this is our 1st proper look at him, isn't it?

412
00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:18.900
He 1st line is him going, good program.

413
00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.279
Yeah, yeah.

414
00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:24.420
My father needs a ramp.

415
00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.559
See, the my father, every my father line, I'm imagining Eric Trump

416
00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:29.339
saying it.

417
00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.880
Because he is also useless, isn't he?

418
00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:34.140
Like he is a fucking idiot.

419
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What's his name?

420
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Cracks.

421
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Cracks.

422
00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.839
He's an idiot. going to be the naked anymore.

423
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He's like, I'm not as greedy as I used to be.

424
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Yes, you are.

425
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More so.

426
00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.960
I love that line.

427
00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.140
I love that I'm not as greedy as I used to be.

428
00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.160
I think that's so funny.

429
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.619
I've been listening to your criticisms of the judgery lift.

430
00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:54.660
So they're trying to repair it for you around.

431
00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:55.319
You're fixing it.

432
00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:55.920
Brilliant.

433
00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.099
I don't know.

434
00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.240
Like they have holodecks.

435
00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:03.599
Why don't they have like a giant, you know, they all go onto the

436
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holiday and they're in a classroom full of other children who are

437
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in a classroom.

438
00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:10.440
I know, it just seems...

439
00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:11.279
You know, Cup series 7.

440
00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.799
They kind of a baron of that left a bit, and they just beam into

441
00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.559
ops, which is kind of what they should be doing, really.

442
00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:19.980
Well, it's hard to tell what's cheaper and what isn't.

443
00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:21.420
The lift is not great though.

444
00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:26.579
But yeah, look, his, his, um, he's O'Brien being racist about

445
00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:27.180
Nog.

446
00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:29.700
Separate him from your son.

447
00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.480
Yeah, wanting to separate, you know, the whole point of the

448
00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.599
federation is supposed to be a mixture of cultures that are

449
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learning from each other.

450
00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:38.339
Yeah.

451
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:46.019
And and like the reason that Cisco doesn't do it isn't because of

452
00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:48.420
that isn't because we should be making cross-cultural

453
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connections.

454
00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:55.019
It's because he knows that in a face off, he'd lose because Jake

455
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is a teenage boy.

456
00:20:56.220 --> 00:21:01.200
You know, they want to, you know, like they, Brian's going, oh, I

457
00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:02.640
doubt that.

458
00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:04.079
You know, really?

459
00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.519
Your daughter's quite young.

460
00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:06.839
But you know what's really interesting?

461
00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:11.400
is in series 6 when Nog is a commissioned officer.

462
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There's a scene between Nog and O'Brien where he goes, no, you're

463
00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:16.079
going to have to start calling me sir.

464
00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:19.980
Like that's how much log is developed in this series.

465
00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:26.940
Oh, did you notice when Tiny Ron was eating the the worms, whatever

466
00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:27.420
they're called?

467
00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.539
He's eating the only one that's a different colour because that's

468
00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:31.680
Marzipan or something like that.

469
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:34.259
Okay, the rest of them are real worms.

470
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.579
Yeah.

471
00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:41.700
They set up the Venetian blinds for the Godfather scene in front

472
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of the window.

473
00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:42.960
Yeah, yeah.

474
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:46.200
This is a lovely thought.

475
00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:47.339
Well, that's what that is too.

476
00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.680
Giant lazy Susan he's got going on.

477
00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:51.779
Yeah, it's at multi-level.

478
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:57.240
Yeah, see, the other thing is, if this had been a Federation

479
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station, it's not just that we wouldn't have had Quark necessarily

480
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or whatever.

481
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:05.400
Oh my god, he...

482
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:07.140
That's awesome.

483
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.680
But the visuals would have been much more boring.

484
00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:14.220
That's, you know, look at what Voyager looks like or even the

485
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:17.039
enterprise, you know, those corridors are terribly boring.

486
00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:20.400
And like, you know, I complain about the lack of reflective

487
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:24.839
surfaces here, but each kind of close-up has little interesting

488
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:29.099
details in the background for kind of no reason. which is

489
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something we just couldn't have had.

490
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And like round windows and all of that sort of stuff.

491
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I would never have happened.

492
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.980
PS9's got sort of like more practical lighting in the set than any

493
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other 90s shows, isn't it?

494
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Absolutely.

495
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Yeah.

496
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If they want to, they can light it in really interesting ways.

497
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:44.099
Sometimes they don't.

498
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:44.640
Yeah.

499
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.720
No.

500
00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:46.559
Yeah, that's right.

501
00:22:46.619 --> 00:22:48.900
But here I think it looks really good.

502
00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.480
There's a line in a minute that makes me crack up every single

503
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.660
time because it was like when I 1st watched it, I was like, oh, I

504
00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:57.059
wish my mum would say this to me where he goes, and go to your

505
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room and no studying.

506
00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:02.759
That's great. isn't it?

507
00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.759
Oh, 0 dear.

508
00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:07.980
Oh, say, look.

509
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.160
See, Zach doesn't love his large adult son.

510
00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.799
He's so disapproving of him.

511
00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:15.539
He's given this toothpick now.

512
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:18.960
We literally see him picking worms out of his teeth.

513
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.700
Yeah.

514
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:22.740
It's really great, isn't it?

515
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:24.599
Instantly getting into it.

516
00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:28.259
Don't we have a, don't they have a grinder?

517
00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:31.259
Like, at some point, there's a grinder thing that Frankie has to

518
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:31.920
sharpen their teeth.

519
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.359
Because Warf, uh, when Not goes off to Starfleet Academy, he sells

520
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.259
all of his possessions.

521
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.240
So wharf buys it and goes, ooh, how much?

522
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:42.000
And we see him have a go of it on his own teeth.

523
00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:45.839
Here we go.

524
00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:46.140
Yeah.

525
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.180
Go to your room and no studying.

526
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:56.700
I think Ira Bear, like Rumour, can turn a phrase.

527
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.299
Like he can turn a comedy line and this has got some gems in it.

528
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.920
Yeah, I think so too.

529
00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:03.900
I think there are some really funny bits.

530
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:09.720
Like, um, when he dies, when the Nagus dies, they say it's a, like

531
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:14.400
infection of the tympanic membrane or something, which is your

532
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.319
eardrum, because they're prankies, they have big fucking ears and

533
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:20.039
that's the thing.

534
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.220
So a teardrop infections fatal.

535
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:24.900
Can I tell you something about that?

536
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.079
Because one of my exes was a Star Trek fan, and we watched it.

537
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:29.099
It's not inf together.

538
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.099
And every time I found him too boring, I fell into one of those

539
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:33.420
trance, he was like, oh...

540
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:37.500
Like, like the...

541
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.079
It's such a low key effort, death.

542
00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:40.619
I love it.

543
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.799
But it's an a colony episode, so you can kind of just go with it

544
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.160
you know?

545
00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:45.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:46.440
It has to be silly.

547
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.220
We have to.

548
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.099
I mean, they're not going to care anyway, but it has to be kind of

549
00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:50.759
sealed.

550
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:52.619
Now cork's intrigued.

551
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:57.240
He needs his services as a host for this fantastic conference

552
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.140
that's going to occur.

553
00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:01.920
I think I think Kira says something racist now as well.

554
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.680
Ah, okay.

555
00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:07.799
Yeah, no, it's like a silverware. silverware.

556
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:08.039
Yeah.

557
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:09.960
It's not great, is it?

558
00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:11.940
And Dax does as well.

559
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.400
Like, there's a very strange scene with Dax, which I'm looking

560
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.559
forward to commenting on, but I just...

561
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.180
Well, I do love the fact as they go along.

562
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.200
She immerses herself in Ferengi culture and then some, doesn't

563
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:22.380
she?

564
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:23.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.839
Because of course she does.

566
00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:26.579
I haven't quite nailed her yet.

567
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.059
Can I just say the amount of ham that is served up in this

568
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:31.079
conference scene?

569
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.740
I think there's something like, I'm assuming it was quoted as

570
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:37.440
saying that they were all wearing their makeup and no one knew who

571
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:37.980
anyone was.

572
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.220
They was at a point where no one was used to anyone's makeup.

573
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.940
So everyone's, oh, poor Moore look, gonna go away.

574
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:48.359
It's his bar.

575
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:49.140
What's he going to do?

576
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.759
is finished work. has to go.

577
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:51.839
That's terrible.

578
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:57.299
I mean, it's more the best long term, like visual gag.

579
00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.279
I just think he's great.

580
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.960
He's really good.

581
00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:04.440
And they just don't forget him, right?

582
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:06.119
He's in like the 2nd to last scene.

583
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.460
In DS 9.

584
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:09.660
Oh, this fella, look.

585
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:16.200
He's the dangerous assassin Ferengi, you know?

586
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:17.220
Oh, okay.

587
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:17.640
Right.

588
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.559
Well, he says to Cork later, doesn't it?

589
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:21.960
You know, like, uh, I'll protect you.

590
00:26:22.019 --> 00:26:23.099
You're going to need it.

591
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:23.880
Oh, yes.

592
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:25.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.779
Oh here we go.

594
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.319
I do, don't you just love the fact, though, that they have, They

595
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.500
haven't put the fault into making a massive plan for the Ferengi

596
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:36.240
but just the fact that the wormhole exists.

597
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.859
Like, right, something to exploit.

598
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.880
Yeah.

599
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:39.539
Yeah.

600
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.940
Yeah, no, it's a very sort of easy thing.

601
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.640
Later on, they have to come up with plans, but the wormholes just

602
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.880
appeared, and so it's like, all right, the Ferengue here, obviously

603
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.099
they're looking for new markets.

604
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:51.660
This is the gamble.

605
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.299
This is the beginning of the seating of the Dominion War because

606
00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:57.480
them going into the Gamma Quadrant in the 2nd season.

607
00:26:57.539 --> 00:26:59.819
They meet the Dominion, don't they?

608
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:05.160
They get, so they meet the dozeye, the terrible makeup, those eye

609
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:09.660
in this bizarre, bizarre sort of gay sex comedy episode. very

610
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.019
strange.

611
00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:14.400
Do you remember that one where the woman is dressing up as a man?

612
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.519
Paul thinks the man's coming on to him and has lots of gay panic.

613
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:18.240
It ain't great.

614
00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:21.420
But in the negotiations, the Dominion is mentioned.

615
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.759
But it's kind of ceded here for them to go there.

616
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:25.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

617
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:30.119
Yeah, look, look how little Jake is.

618
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:32.759
He's such a baby. isn't that funny?

619
00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:36.660
You know what's amazing as well is right up to the point of Aaron

620
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:37.680
Eisenberg's Steph.

621
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:39.299
They were the best of friends these two.

622
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.579
And they started that podcast together, didn't they?

623
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.079
The podcast rule. podcast, yeah, yeah.

624
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:48.000
Which he's Aaron Eisenberg's wife is still a part of.

625
00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:49.259
Oh, okay.

626
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:50.579
It's really lovely.

627
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.819
Sometimes behind the scenes stuff makes me smile.

628
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:55.140
Is it a child?

629
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.279
Is he at this point?

630
00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:57.420
He's an adult.

631
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.279
Yeah, he's just a short person.

632
00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.119
I think, yeah, and I think because, you know, he wasn't sort of a

633
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.420
standard looking actor, he didn't get the sort of parts that he

634
00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:06.960
wanted to get.

635
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:09.720
But boy, did he get some opportunities in this show?

636
00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:11.099
Yeah, he's really good.

637
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.359
He really is great.

638
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:16.619
I love the fact that they're so devious, the Perengi, that

639
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:20.160
everywhere they've been now, their reputation is tarnished and

640
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.000
they're so excited about the fact they can go somewhere and con a

641
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.740
load of people where no one knows who they are.

642
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.000
Is this the makeup that we end up with because Wallace Sean is

643
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.539
having real difficulty looking out through the holes in that mass

644
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.339
to be honest with you.

645
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.279
I can't see too much difference between Wallace, Sean and Jennifer

646
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.200
Leanne in last week's episodes, do you know?

647
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.519
That was some latex, wasn't it?

648
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:45.779
These shows are so weird.

649
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.880
I mean, like look at this.

650
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.900
It's an entire room full of people wearing this stupid outfit.

651
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.400
It's so funny.

652
00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:57.480
Imagine if you... like, I want to watch that. switched off and it

653
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.200
was just...

654
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:03.059
Oh, listen, best of all, no one has ever heard the name?

655
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.019
Preggy.

656
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.220
A reputation. stainless.

657
00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:12.480
I think we see these teeth over and over again in the future.

658
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:16.319
Like, I think they just, like, I'm sure that Brunt's teeth are in

659
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:21.000
there somewhere, you know, like, um, yeah, we do really.

660
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.819
I feel like these are all like classic theatrical actors.

661
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.859
They are truly giving it some, aren't they?

662
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:31.319
I didn't remember to look it up and I might do it afterwards

663
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.980
because there are people that I kind of recognise as that guy's

664
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.299
from American TV.

665
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:37.740
So I think they're...

666
00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:41.880
They must love doing something quirky like this, you know, slap a

667
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:43.440
bit of latex on and come out.

668
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.000
That line.

669
00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:47.039
I'm just not as greedy as I used to be.

670
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:48.779
No?

671
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:50.519
I like it when he says...

672
00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:51.660
I'm old.

673
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.359
The fire dims, you know?

674
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:02.819
I wasn't be about his Quark's reaction when he says his name.

675
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.440
Isn't he?

676
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:05.579
It's, doesn't he?

677
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.279
The new brand niggers.

678
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:11.880
Here we go.

679
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.279
He's milking the moment.

680
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.400
And they're all appalled and then realised they've all got to suck

681
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.900
up to him because this is really happening. throwing their chairs

682
00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:25.740
all over the place.

683
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:26.579
Oh, I love it.

684
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.259
This is ridiculous.

685
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:31.259
It's making us laugh, isn't it?

686
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

687
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:33.119
No, no, no.

688
00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:34.140
It's good, ridiculous.

689
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.359
Oh, he's delivering this side as well.

690
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:40.019
When he goes, I'm sure you do a wonderful job.

691
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:45.720
I just love his delivery.

692
00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:46.500
What a short.

693
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.640
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:48.599
He's terrific.

695
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:51.599
The thing I know most from is Toy Story when he's that dinosaur.

696
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:53.700
Oh, yes, of course.

697
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:57.119
I remember being in the cinema going, that's the Grand Nagus.

698
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.519
Ooh, Jase's got a thing about oatmeal, you know.

699
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:03.960
He has oatmeal a lot.

700
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:04.799
So awful.

701
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.059
Awful, awful.

702
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.940
It's something you can play with rather than eat if you have to do

703
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:09.420
another take.

704
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.960
There's one episode where he has a Coca-Cola, right, or a fizzy

705
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:13.259
drink.

706
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.519
Yeah, and he has his peppermint bread and he puts the bread in the

707
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.740
Coke and it makes it fruffle over the place.

708
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.140
Cisco looks appropriately appalled.

709
00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:31.799
So this, like, I really like this scene, like, I don't know.

710
00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:37.200
Um, what, the fact that he's explaining why he's frustrated and

711
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.339
Cisco's empathising.

712
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.900
Cisco is not really empathising, is he?

713
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.299
He's kind of says sometimes this just doesn't work.

714
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.599
Yeah, usually that they don't, but it's the thing.

715
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:46.380
It's the...

716
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:51.059
I can't remember whether we already knew.

717
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.279
Did we already know that Nog can't read?

718
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:54.420
No.

719
00:31:54.779 --> 00:32:00.240
And so he hasn't done his homework and O'Brien thinks that that's

720
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.200
because he's naughty.

721
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:04.559
And then he does the class clown thing of saying that a Vulcan

722
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.039
stole it because they have no ethics. funny.

723
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:12.960
And then I thought here it was spoiling it slightly.

724
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:19.680
It was spoiling the reveal at the end by saying that Nog can't

725
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:19.980
read.

726
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.000
He can't even read.

727
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:23.279
But I don't think it does that.

728
00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:25.980
I think if you've not seen this, because I really, really, really

729
00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:29.460
remember this episode and particularly this B plot really well.

730
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.460
So I don't think it does spoil it.

731
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.079
And so it also places it as, it's not just I want to hang out with

732
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.579
my disreputable friend.

733
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.920
It's like my friend is being denied opportunities and, and I like

734
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.180
him and, you know, like there's already the hint there to us that

735
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:49.980
he's a good boy.

736
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.079
Like, he's a good boy, and that's the scary thing.

737
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.200
That's the key of the best reveals, though, isn't it, is where the

738
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:55.740
hints are there.

739
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.119
But actually, I didn't enjoy the docs.

740
00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:58.799
I figured they'd be off.

741
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:00.720
He says, you know, looking at anti-grad things.

742
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.259
One point in this, they're looking at Vulcan's arse who's walking

743
00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:05.039
past.

744
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:07.619
I mean, I've never felt like, I've like, that's real characters

745
00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:10.319
there, you know, they're watching someone walk past and admiring

746
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:10.559
them.

747
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.200
And it's so gorgeous, ending.

748
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:16.980
And Cisco, it's, it's, it's, he doesn't say anything.

749
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.400
He's just there in the shadows, admiring his son, you know?

750
00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:21.299
Yeah.

751
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.559
And that's the thing.

752
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:24.059
The parenthood thing, isn't it?

753
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:30.119
Because like you bring kids up, but you don't, you can't make them

754
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.319
turn out good.

755
00:33:31.380 --> 00:33:33.119
You know, you do what you can.

756
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.039
But kids are kids.

757
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.180
They're separate people.

758
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.079
And that fear, you know, like he's, you've got O'Brien saying he's

759
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.059
hanging around with the naughty boy in the school.

760
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.240
You know, you should put a stop to that.

761
00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:47.880
And he says, I trust him.

762
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.339
You know, I trust him and it turns out he's right to trust him.

763
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.460
I did like, though, that he didn't, in that scene, basically say, I

764
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:54.420
don't want you to see him.

765
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.039
He says sometimes this doesn't work out.

766
00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:59.400
Because he could have exploited that moment, you know?

767
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:00.059
No.

768
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.140
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:02.460
Oh, do you know what?

770
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.579
I really liked, you're going to laugh at me now, because when I

771
00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:09.300
talk about 90s track execution, I realised how this was, because

772
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:12.000
it's kind of, it's very dark, this room, and they're in silhouette

773
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.440
a little bit, and the camera moves in around because Zec has to be

774
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.219
right in front of the camera to make that joke about him falling

775
00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:21.179
into the trance work.

776
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.920
And it's great.

777
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.400
That's him doing it there.

778
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:32.039
And he's just been he's just been thinking about porn, hasn't he?

779
00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:34.320
Or like where he's going to go to get his end away in his

780
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.519
retirement or something.

781
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:37.139
And now he's dead.

782
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.480
Oh, dear God.

783
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.360
So bloody stupid.

784
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:42.960
I love it.

785
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:47.519
I liked how economic.

786
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:48.719
The storytelling was here as well.

787
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:49.860
We go straight to the funeral.

788
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.059
Like, yeah, yeah, look, that American thing where you have a giant

789
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:54.599
photo.

790
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.579
And he's like... so dignified, doesn't he?

791
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.519
He just looks like he's got the shits with everyone.

792
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.719
I think he's really cross.

793
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.199
Some of the friendly culture, I'm like, ooh, that's, you know, a

794
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.119
little dodgy, you know, the sexism and all that.

795
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.420
But some of it, especially the vacuum performer.

796
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:13.440
The freeze drive.

797
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:15.539
I think that...

798
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.159
Yeah, it's really good.

799
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.719
What is it?

800
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:20.219
It's my piece of Zack.

801
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.900
I know, don't you says deadpan.

802
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.039
How touching.

803
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:30.599
Well, don't they want to do an autopsy on him and then they

804
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.800
discover that that's him there in the little piles of plastic

805
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.280
things.

806
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:37.500
Oh, hang on.

807
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:38.280
Who is that then?

808
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:41.099
If the negative is still alive, who are they selling?

809
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.599
Oh, just, you know, some guy, some guy.

810
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:47.099
Oh, don't walk.

811
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:47.519
Here we go.

812
00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:48.780
Magic is about to happen.

813
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.539
Oh, exactly. overcome with grief, are we?

814
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:57.780
Oh goodness.

815
00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:01.199
That's sceptre, you know. sceptre does the rounds a bit.

816
00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:03.179
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.780
No, it's it's a prop that stays with us for the next 7 years, isn't

818
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:06.960
it?

819
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:09.480
When Zach visits the station in series two.

820
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.460
Cisco actually does kiss it.

821
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.820
No, he's good with he's good with relations with other cultures.

822
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:18.659
Well, he's all over Kai Wen and she's horrible.

824
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:26.820
Yeah, that my father thing, it's so Eric Trump, every time he

825
00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:28.199
talks about my father.

826
00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:29.940
I just, that's all I can hear.

827
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.719
And Harry's totally emasculated at the end where he's like, yeah

828
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:34.079
yeah, yeah.

829
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.119
I was going to see his power.

830
00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:36.780
I promise.

831
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:37.739
Terrible son.

832
00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:41.219
It's like talking to a clang arm.

833
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.119
Oh, these two.

834
00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:46.619
Do you know what?

835
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:48.719
Do you remember when you see casual clothes?

836
00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:51.480
No, no, no, but I love them hanging at this corner, which they do

837
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:52.320
for 3 seasons.

838
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:53.340
Yeah.

839
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:57.840
And what's so funny is once he goes off to Starfleet, they walk

840
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.820
away and then they just look at the empty corner.

841
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:00.719
It's really sweet.

842
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.980
And then later on, Odo says to Jake, well, I was never chasing you

843
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.340
away.

844
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:07.199
I was chasing Nog away, you know?

845
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:09.059
Yeah, well there you go.

846
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.519
Oh, look.

847
00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:13.199
Oh, bless.

848
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:14.219
Is that so weird?

849
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.619
It's like a night, there's an innocence to this, isn't there?

850
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:17.760
It really is.

851
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:19.679
Usually associate with DS9.

852
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.739
No, but I don't know.

853
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:29.280
Like Deep Face sign does valorize friendship and particularly

854
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.900
friendship between man, I think.

855
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.659
And I, you know, that's nice.

856
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.780
And that little thing, like when you're a kid, like your friends

857
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:39.539
like there's your parents, obviously, but your friends and your

858
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:42.300
best friends, like, that's so important.

859
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.460
You know, you don't have partners, you don't have anything like

860
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:44.699
that.

861
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.139
Maybe you have a girlfriend or whatever.

862
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.860
But like that relationship, I just think, is so sweet.

863
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.260
So many different types of friendships as well, aren't they?

864
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.579
Like, odour of quork.

865
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:54.780
That is absolutely a friend.

866
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:55.559
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.659
I'll never acknowledge it, but that episode where Odo smashes up

868
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.320
his quarters.

869
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.260
Look at this drone.

870
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.420
So the drone has ears, like a Ferengi. goes past the window.

871
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.300
I swear to God, you can see the string.

872
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:16.199
I reckon that's CG. matted that in.

873
00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:18.599
I don't think anything on a string is going to move that quick.

874
00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:21.360
This thing through the window panel that's been destroyed.

875
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.619
This is the only scene.

876
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.320
The only concession to a Star Trek episode, isn't it?

877
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:26.699
Where they talk a bit of technobabble.

878
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:31.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. he's got his he's got his tricorder out, doesn't

879
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:31.500
he?

880
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.079
going back to friendships very quickly.

881
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:37.559
Obviously you've got O'Brien and Bashir, you've got Cisco and Dax

882
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.920
you know, and all of these friendships, I can list tons.

883
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:43.920
They all pay off in the latest seasons in lots of different ways.

884
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.480
I mean, I love the fact that in the end, but she says to O'Brien

885
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.719
you know, oh, you know, I love people, but I love you more

886
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.139
O'Brien.

887
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.760
He's basically saying he's in love with him.

888
00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:55.199
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:01.380
Oh, so wait a sec.

890
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:02.460
What are you doing here?

891
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.539
Why is he in the thing?

892
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:08.460
No, no, it's because, um, Oh, because he got nearly blowed up.

893
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.260
Oh, wrong popping up, look.

894
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.280
It's grand Nigga's Quark, actually.

895
00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:21.360
And I think, um, until the twist is revealed.

896
00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:24.059
We're supposed to think because he's so downtrodden that Rob would

897
00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:25.380
never have the cojones.

898
00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:27.780
Try and kill Quark.

899
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.699
And do you know what?

900
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.239
rewatching it because I remembered the B plot really well, but not

901
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.739
the A plot as well.

902
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:42.300
And so watching it, when it's reveal that ROM is part of the

903
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:42.840
plot.

904
00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:48.539
Initially, I thought that he was kind of going along with him, you

905
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:51.059
know, hoping to save his brother or whatever.

906
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.079
Do you know what I mean?

907
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:53.039
like that it wasn't real.

908
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:56.579
And then I thought, oh, this is maybe season one, Rom, and this

909
00:39:56.579 --> 00:40:00.059
isn't where Rome actually ends up being eventually.

910
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.800
And I guess that's what's happened.

911
00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:04.920
But I love the way that Quack reacts to it.

912
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.739
And I think it's a classic sitcom moment.

913
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.639
I like the bit where Ron presses his nose up to the airlock.

914
00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:14.099
Rams.

915
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.260
Nice name for a bar, don't you think?

916
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:21.840
But the payoff to all of that is quark's reaction in the last

917
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.199
scene.

918
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:23.760
I didn't think you had that nuts.

919
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.679
I'm going to get you a drink. exactly it.

920
00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:29.340
So it reminds me of the sitcom, right, where you've got a couple

921
00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:32.099
and the mother of one of them's coming over to stay.

922
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:35.519
And for various reasons, they have to concoct this elaborate lie

923
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.780
about some important thing and the live, the whole episode is

924
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:41.340
about the maintaining the lie.

925
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.960
And then the lie gets busted and the mother finds out about it.

926
00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:52.199
And then she says, oh, well, you know, I'm just touched that you

927
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.099
thought it was worth going to all that trouble just for me and

928
00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.960
that it gets for forgiven.

929
00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:59.280
And that's what I thought this was.

930
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:03.420
It's like, yes, you tried to kill me and all of that, but I'm I

931
00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:06.780
just, you know, I'm touched by how you went to so much trouble.

932
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.940
Just to get rid of me.

933
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.679
What I took from that was that Ira Bear is always going to write

934
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:19.079
quark and rom as Ferengi's and that's how Ferengi's would react.

935
00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:21.480
Oh, you tried to kill me. to take my bar.

936
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:22.559
I am so proud of you.

937
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.179
But I think it is just absolute classic sitcom reaction, you know

938
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:29.219
like a standard sitcom reaction.

939
00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:31.860
This is a Godfather scene now.

940
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:32.699
Yeah.

941
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:38.639
And yet now you call me Nagos. as he strokes his strange mole like

942
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:39.239
creature.

943
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.800
Oh, look.

944
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.880
So do you know, so as a joke, they cut in the Godfather theme, when

945
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.380
the rushes came in and they presented it to Ira Sleeping Bear, and

946
00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:54.360
he's like, no, are we really doing this?

947
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.539
broadcast if they were...

948
00:41:57.539 --> 00:41:59.579
Has he got a puppet there?

949
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.199
Yeah, he's striking a puppet.

950
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:01.860
It's a vole.

951
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:04.199
Oh, that's the vault. what Voles are about.

952
00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:07.139
It's a Cardassian bowl because you see a dreadful one later on in

953
00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:07.739
series three.

954
00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:09.840
Look at it, God.

955
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:10.619
Look at it.

956
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.460
It's so shit.

957
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:12.239
That's wonderful.

958
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:14.579
Star Trek should have more puppets.

959
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.380
I'm always here for puppets in the Star Trek.

960
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.159
Absolutely.

961
00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:18.420
Do puppets.

962
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.760
And so Cardassian involves are constantly chewing through the

963
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.619
wires and stuff on this station, aren't they?

964
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:23.820
Like they're a thing.

965
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:24.719
They're rats, right?

966
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.019
There's one where Corp comes running into Ops and runs up to

967
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:32.039
O'Brien holding it, goes, it ran right across a double table.

968
00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:38.340
Oh my god.

969
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.880
The whole sort of comic pace of this scene, race, like, now you

970
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:42.719
call me Nagus.

971
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:43.800
No, da, da.

972
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.599
I'll split it with you 50-50.

973
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.179
Well, I hope they've got a taste for sin for hole, then.

974
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:55.019
Apparently, all you need to do to succeed as a grand nag is just

975
00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:56.820
hand out all these choice assignments for people.

976
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.139
Just, well, you know, the guy comes up with the idea and you just

978
00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:02.579
say, I'll have 50% of that.

979
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:02.880
Thanks.

980
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:04.320
Yes, you can do it.

981
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:05.940
Sounds like a good deal to me.

982
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.099
You see that lowering you out there for the name.

983
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:09.480
I empathise with him a lot.

984
00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:11.519
He went, oh this benevolence wearies me.

985
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.480
Honestly, that's how I live my life.

986
00:43:19.139 --> 00:43:21.239
So yeah, this is it.

987
00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:22.079
The reveal.

988
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:22.679
This is it.

989
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:27.960
Eric Trump is coming up with a new plan, which is to kill Quark.

990
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:29.880
Oh, so yes.

991
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.380
Yeah, so it was them.

992
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.099
It was them.

993
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.380
They did the locator, the locator bomb.

994
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.199
And he, it is, like, it really is Rom's going to kill his

995
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:37.500
brother.

996
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.619
And obviously, season 7 Rom would never do that.

997
00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:43.440
And so they retooled the character at some point.

998
00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:46.860
Did you notice there was a moment there between 2 actors because

999
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:51.000
Max Grodensheik is milking how long he's going to take to say all

1000
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:51.420
those lines.

1001
00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:55.380
And the other guy, it's kind of going, it's using his hands.

1002
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.480
Come on, come on, come on.

1003
00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.480
Here I go, my dear brother, you know.

1004
00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:03.539
And then he pats him on the back as if to say, well done, you got

1005
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:03.780
it out.

1006
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:04.199
Well done.

1007
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:09.000
So this is the scene with Dax where Dax is being kind of racist

1008
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.219
and kind of.

1009
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.539
Maybe not.

1010
00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:14.219
Series one, thanks, remember.

1011
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:15.719
They retooled her in 2 as well.

1012
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:16.860
Yeah, yeah.

1013
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.639
She, I actually think she's, uh, like it's a little bit weird.

1014
00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:22.139
I guess if she's an old guy.

1015
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.659
Um, you know, having a sort of conservative approach to

1016
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:28.199
parenting.

1017
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:31.559
But later on we find out out he was a bit of a rake or at least, um

1018
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.699
Yeah.

1019
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.320
Yeah, the...

1020
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:37.380
I think initially the concept of Dax was that she was going to be

1021
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:39.480
the old man in the young man's body.

1022
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.579
And they realised this wasn't working.

1023
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.639
So that's why they turned her into a good time girl in series 2.

1024
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.900
Well, yeah, someone who's sort of so old that she kind of doesn't

1025
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:53.099
give a shit, you know, like in it and has, you know, a fair amount

1026
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:54.059
of chill and wisdom.

1027
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.699
I love how she, like, did she just tell, she told Ben to go and

1028
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:04.980
get her to go and get his son so that she could end up.

1029
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:05.639
Yeah, that's right.

1030
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:09.000
She turned really into the... and ended up eating my dinner.

1031
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:09.539
Yeah.

1032
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.340
Oh, here we go.

1033
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:12.000
Here we go.

1034
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:12.719
This is the scene.

1035
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:15.179
Oh, it's so good.

1036
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.699
And do you know like, do you remember when they were trying to

1037
00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:17.940
teach?

1038
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.960
Uhura.

1039
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.639
And, I mean, it could have been that.

1040
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:22.500
It could have been agonising.

1041
00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:25.920
It's really good, isn't it?

1042
00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:28.320
Like, what a sweet kid.

1043
00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:30.300
And like he, oh.

1044
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.179
And I think the payoff with their last scene where he just calls

1045
00:45:33.179 --> 00:45:36.900
him over, kisses him and says, you know, you're a good kid.

1046
00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:40.079
I love how taxile they are.

1047
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:41.400
Look at them.

1048
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.920
And I'm so glad he doesn't interrupt.

1049
00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:47.639
It would have been so dreadful if he'd interrupted them that

1050
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.179
look.

1051
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:49.800
Look at Avery.

1052
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.920
And it's kind of like, wow, I was a bit of a prick.

1053
00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:54.179
I said I trusted him.

1054
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.579
I really, really properly should have trusted him.

1055
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:59.219
And, you know, he's good.

1056
00:45:59.280 --> 00:45:59.880
What a good boy.

1057
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:01.980
You realise what they've done here as well, isn't it?

1058
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.519
They've reverse what we normally get. normally will get a very

1059
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.119
touching or dramatic A-plot and a funny B-plot.

1060
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:09.420
Yeah.

1061
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:13.199
Here, we've got a, you know, massively funny A plot and a really

1062
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.000
sweet B plot.

1063
00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:20.400
But I do think in series one, 2, and 3 of DS9, I want to say half

1064
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.159
the time, the B plots are better than the A plots.

1065
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.619
There's some cracking ones.

1066
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.320
The one where Nok wants to join Starfleet Academy.

1067
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:31.139
That's a B plot and it's phenomenally good.

1068
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:32.940
Yeah, like think about where that goes.

1069
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.039
Oh, I feel so sorry for wrong here.

1070
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:36.780
He says, you have so much and I have so little.

1071
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.820
It says that's how it should be.

1072
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.380
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1073
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:41.099
We're capitalists.

1074
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:41.519
Fuck off.

1075
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:42.539
I'm not having any...

1076
00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:44.760
That's what happened. what's so interesting with their

1077
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.880
relationship is ultimately that power dynamic completely changes.

1078
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:51.480
And Rob ends up with everything at the end of the series.

1079
00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:52.679
He's up in naked.

1080
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:56.400
We end up with the moon and his Nagus and everything.

1081
00:46:56.460 --> 00:46:57.480
Yeah.

1082
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:04.079
Oh, there's a dreadful CGI effect in the minute of Odo slooping

1083
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:04.860
down into...

1084
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:05.699
Oh, he's the glass.

1085
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.119
I love, though, that discovery.

1086
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:10.980
I think that is really kind of hilarious.

1087
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:15.480
There are 5 glasses, you know, like when he realises that they've

1088
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:16.619
kind of fallen for it.

1089
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.019
How did, how did they not know that one of the classes was, was, uh

1090
00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:22.679
Odo?

1091
00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:26.099
And this is all classic comedy now, because we know he's off to be

1092
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:26.639
executed.

1093
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:28.800
He's saying, I'm going to take one of the girls with me.

1094
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:32.099
They're going, you know, your sheer presence will be enough, you

1095
00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:32.340
know.

1096
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.000
It's funny.

1097
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:39.239
It's you know, it's not particularly original, but it's funny.

1098
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:44.280
No, no, no, but I mean, it is, it's Star Trek, though.

1099
00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:46.380
When I did a comedy.

1100
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.900
Can you see why people wouldn't like this, though?

1101
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.960
Like why people that just don't enjoy fun wouldn't like this.

1102
00:47:58.019 --> 00:48:01.440
Yeah, yeah, people who hate fun.

1103
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:02.880
Where's the space anomalies?

1104
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:05.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1105
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:05.940
Look.

1106
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.159
Oh yeah, that is pretty terrible, isn't it?

1107
00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:09.420
Well, what are you doing?

1108
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:10.079
Well, this is you.

1109
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:12.599
They used him quite a bit as a shapeshifter in those early years.

1110
00:48:12.659 --> 00:48:14.219
Yeah, yeah.

1111
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.460
It was always the sort of thing, the sort of high concept thing

1112
00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:19.860
where they would eventually go actually Renee's fine.

1113
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.280
We'll just get him to be Renee and we don't need to do all of that

1114
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:23.460
stuff.

1115
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.300
Yeah, I mean, sometimes they put goo on his face and things like

1116
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:27.539
that.

1117
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:28.320
It's a bit extreme.

1118
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:29.039
Yeah, yuck.

1119
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:29.699
Please don't.

1120
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.559
Yeah, yeah, this is more in an airlock here.

1121
00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:33.599
Are you sure there's not reflective circus in this window?

1122
00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:35.340
Well, sort of.

1123
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:36.059
Yeah.

1124
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.019
Yeah, there you go.

1125
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:38.940
Look, there's lights reflecting off that.

1126
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:39.780
Oh, there you go.

1127
00:48:39.900 --> 00:48:40.860
Perspect there.

1128
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:42.179
Perfect.

1129
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:47.940
I love how David Libson is shooting from their POVs.

1130
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.780
That's lovely.

1131
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:52.079
Now look.

1133
00:48:52.139 --> 00:48:55.500
They threaten this all the way through DS9, being shoved out of an

1134
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:55.920
air log.

1135
00:48:55.980 --> 00:48:57.119
We worry all the time.

1136
00:48:57.179 --> 00:48:58.440
So it's nice to actually see it happening.

1137
00:48:58.559 --> 00:48:59.639
Yeah, yeah.

1138
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:03.300
Do you think this is transparent aluminium?

1139
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:07.440
Oh, transparent aluminum. aluminum.

1140
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:08.699
Hello, computer.

1141
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:13.139
How do you know he didn't invent the thing?

1142
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.260
Look at him pushing his nose up against.

1143
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.800
That's so great because you can imagine the makeup person saying

1144
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.739
don't touch the nose to anything.

1145
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.800
You know, you'll ruin it, but obviously that was fine.

1146
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:26.460
That worked well.

1147
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:27.360
Didn't leave you.

1148
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:30.659
But you never read the story when Kieran Odo snogged in his way at

1149
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:31.019
the end.

1150
00:49:31.019 --> 00:49:32.519
And his whole mouth came away.

1151
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:37.679
Now the visitor said it was the least sexy kiss you'd ever had.

1152
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:38.280
Oh, yeah.

1153
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.519
She had this eggy smelling latex stuck on her face.

1154
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.460
Dear, dear.

1155
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:45.179
Just goes to show.

1156
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:46.380
They went for it though, doesn't it?

1157
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1158
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.099
This is a great reveal as well, I thought.

1159
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.260
It would have been a waste had they got rid of him.

1160
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:56.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1161
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:57.239
Yeah.

1162
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.619
And it, yeah.

1163
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.559
I mean, it has to work like this.

1164
00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:04.440
In retrospect, it absolutely has to work like this.

1165
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:07.079
And they would have found some way of bringing him back otherwise

1166
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.320
because he's so great, but they weren't stupid enough to kill him

1167
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:11.519
off in the 1st place, I think.

1168
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:13.679
He failed miserably.

1169
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:18.900
What's a shame is the kind of the last 2 episodes that he's in is

1170
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:21.780
Profit and Lace and the Emperor's New Cloak, and those aren't

1171
00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:22.800
really great episodes.

1172
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.699
No, I don't think.

1173
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:27.000
You got the intendant literally sitting on his lap saying, have a

1174
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:27.719
seat, big boy.

1175
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:29.099
You know, I can see.

1176
00:50:29.099 --> 00:50:30.659
Yeah, incorrect.

1177
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.519
Although he does turn up in the 2nd to last episode, you know, when

1178
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.920
he offers the Nagus ship to Rome.

1179
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:42.179
It's a wonderful scene with the static where he's swearing his

1180
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:44.460
head off, but the static's bleeping or all of his sweats.

1181
00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:48.239
Oh here we go.

1182
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:51.900
And then yes, yes. was running smoothly.

1183
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.079
It's just you are a shitzan, you are a crappy Ferengi.

1185
00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:00.780
It's exactly like Donald Trump and Eric.

1186
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.380
Eric will never get that hug from his father, but he so longs

1187
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:04.679
for.

1188
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.579
I really want to like the Lakers.

1189
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:10.079
I don't want think he's Donald Trump.

1190
00:51:11.340 --> 00:51:15.239
Although, I will say, I know this is a comedy episode so we can

1191
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:16.079
let it pass.

1192
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:20.219
That is a really shit explanation as to why that they just died

1193
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:22.139
inadverted complications.

1194
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.300
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1195
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.780
Like, again, it's sitcom logic, isn't it?

1196
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.539
Like, it's just silly.

1197
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.059
And, you know, usually we wouldn't accept a hand wave.

1198
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.059
We'd be like, well, this is pretty terrible, but it's a funny

1199
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:36.599
episode.

1200
00:51:36.659 --> 00:51:40.199
But I mean, that reason, you know, I died to lie low to see what a

1201
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.260
shitty son you are and guess what I was proved right?

1202
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:43.860
You're terrible.

1203
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:49.739
And, ooh, do we have we have a good son, a good father and son in

1204
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:50.579
the B plot.

1205
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.659
Yeah.

1206
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.039
Oh, no.

1207
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.000
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1208
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.980
Stretching up in there, stretching it, you know.

1209
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.679
It's just a coincidence, I think.

1210
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.760
Such treachery deserves a reward.

1211
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.280
Yes, that's it.

1212
00:52:05.340 --> 00:52:06.119
That's it.

1213
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:09.360
It's like, oh, I can't believe you went to all this trouble for

1214
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:09.599
me.

1215
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:14.340
I'm going to make you assistant manager of policy and clientele.

1216
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:15.059
What the hell does that mean?

1217
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:15.719
Yeah, I don't know.

1218
00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:16.260
I just made it up.

1219
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:16.980
He made it up.

1220
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:17.579
Yep.

1221
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:25.079
And Quark never stops treating Ron badly.

1222
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:26.940
Like that's something that never changes.

1223
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.260
That is their dynamic.

1224
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.739
No, he doesn't learn and he doesn't learn and get better.

1225
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.480
There's the Klingon babe.

1226
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:36.119
See, look, they have ethics or maybe they're...

1227
00:52:36.179 --> 00:52:37.320
I think she's a Vulcan, isn't she?

1228
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:37.559
Sorry.

1229
00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:38.699
I dont know why I said Klingon.

1230
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.280
Yeah, do you know, I think those jumping jar sticks are probably

1231
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.000
delicious, you know?

1232
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:44.639
It's like maple syrup. made from the sap of a tree.

1233
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:45.960
Okay.

1234
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:48.719
This holy crap.

1235
00:52:48.780 --> 00:52:50.880
So here's another thing too.

1236
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:54.360
And it's this, like...

1237
00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:01.679
Just how tactile, like how Avery's touching his head and kisses

1238
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.960
his forehead and is now touching his shoulders and stuff.

1239
00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:05.460
I believe their father and son.

1240
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.239
I do too.

1241
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:07.860
I think it's beautiful.

1242
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.340
You know, did you see into the Spider-Verse?

1243
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.340
I did, yeah, I really thought it was broken.

1244
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.579
Do you remember Miles Morales and his father had that really

1245
00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:20.400
really kind of warm physical relationship and stuff?

1246
00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:24.300
And some of it ended up being about kind of like black fatherhood

1247
00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:25.199
and stuff like that.

1248
00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:27.960
And this, you know, you've got a show.

1249
00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:31.199
It's really rare to have a black lead in a show.

1250
00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:35.460
He's got a son and the way that it depicts their relationship, it's

1251
00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:38.280
so well judged, it's something that the show gets absolutely

1252
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:38.940
right.

1253
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.559
Right from the beginning.

1254
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:43.019
Oh, yeah, right from the very 1st episode.

1255
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:48.960
But when interviewed post DS9, Avery Brooks fed, I gained a son

1256
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.460
from this show, he is my son, you know, and, you know, get me

1257
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:57.300
wrong, Avery Brooks is a bit gaga and, you know, he's a quirky

1258
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:57.539
man.

1259
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:02.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. clearly that was his biggest takeaway from DS9.

1260
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.940
And actually for us, it's one of our biggest takeaways from DSI as

1261
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:06.179
well.

1262
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:07.980
I think it's beautiful.

1263
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.960
One of the best relationships in Star Trek.

1264
00:54:10.019 --> 00:54:12.659
I really buy it and I just think it's lovely.

1265
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.139
And that, you know, like that, that was a very simple plot as

1266
00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:16.500
well.

1267
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.820
And again, sort of operating in a sort of sitcom register, but

1268
00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:22.139
just heartfelt and stuff.

1269
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.920
And I've held it together this time, but I did tear up a little

1270
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:32.099
bit watching both that scene where he discovers him teaching him

1271
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:36.719
to read and then he just leaves and then that scene there where he

1272
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.280
hugs him and doesn't tell him why.

1273
00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:42.539
Like he hugs him, he gives him a kiss, you know, like he's super

1274
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.840
proud of him, but he doesn't actually say, oh, I was sneaking

1275
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.900
around trying to work out what terrible thing you were up to.

1276
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.519
And then I discovered, we've talked about, the character's on DS9

1277
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.539
but that is one of the things it just scores really highly on, is

1278
00:54:57.539 --> 00:55:00.960
we spend a lot of time with these characters in the same place.

1279
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:05.460
We follow their relationships developing and sort of really

1280
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:09.119
touching moments of realisation like that hit throughout the

1281
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:10.139
entire show.

1282
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.119
It's a huge strength of PS9 and it's a shame that the other 90s

1283
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.360
trek shows actually didn't lean into that a bit more.

1284
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:22.019
There's almost like a reset with the characters every week, you

1285
00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:22.260
know?

1286
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:23.699
Yeah, yeah.

1287
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:24.360
Yeah.

1288
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:29.340
And I think, I mean, DS9 is the thing that invents serialised trek

1289
00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:34.800
the sort of thing that we get in discovery now and, you know

1290
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:40.079
discovery has a sort of shifting cast of additional characters, but

1291
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.019
obviously we haven't had that much time, given the number of

1292
00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:46.320
episodes of discovery, they've been compared to Deep Space 9.

1293
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:51.480
But you can see that even though, uh, a Kurtzman Trek hasn't lent

1294
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:58.619
heavily on the iconography of Deep Space 9 so far, it does have

1295
00:55:58.619 --> 00:55:59.280
respect for it.

1296
00:55:59.340 --> 00:56:04.139
And I think it has learned some lessons about what Star Trek can

1297
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:06.719
and should be like from Deep Space 9.

1298
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:11.699
I think discovery is kind of hugely indebted to it for the way

1299
00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:12.239
it's ended up.

1300
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:14.880
Do you know what I find interesting is you and I have done

1301
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:18.119
probably 6 or 7 DS9 episodes now.

1302
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:21.119
Yeah. 4 of them have been comedies.

1303
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:27.119
And none of them have lent into where the show went in the latter

1304
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:32.400
half of its run. like the political drama and the heavy arcs and

1305
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:32.940
things like that.

1306
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:37.619
Like, if people are just listening to this for their example of

1307
00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:41.159
what DS9 is like, we are completely misrepresenting it sometimes.

1308
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:41.880
Yeah.

1309
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:45.119
So we haven't had, you know, things with Wayoon as a major

1310
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.039
character or the female shape shifter.

1311
00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:50.400
We haven't had, you know, human...

1312
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:52.500
You can't win, yeah.

1313
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.380
Yeah, we've got some really, really good stuff to come.

1314
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:01.800
Look, we did in the pale moonlight, and I have to say that I, you

1315
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.659
know, like I see why everyone likes it, but it's not the thing

1316
00:57:06.659 --> 00:57:10.139
that I think of when I think of what's great, Deep Space 9.

1317
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.480
And I think it's because I'm here for the hang time, basically, and

1318
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.340
I'm not completely sold on the sort of giant who's fighting who

1319
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:20.940
this week.

1320
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:25.860
I'm coming to to the conclusion that your favourite episodes of

1321
00:57:25.860 --> 00:57:31.800
DS9 will always be hang time episodes with lots of funny, cute

1322
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.480
touching, sweet moments in them.

1323
00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:43.380
All right, we've reached the end of the episode and it's time for

1324
00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:47.579
us to work out what we're going to watch next time.

1325
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.280
And Joe, it's your turn to pick, I think.

1326
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:51.420
Yes, hello.

1327
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.059
I'm here with my finger poised on the button.

1328
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:55.260
As ever.

1329
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.159
Oh, no, as ever.

1330
00:57:56.219 --> 00:57:56.519
Sorry.

1331
00:57:56.579 --> 00:58:01.199
Like last time, I've selected a single series of Star Trek, and I

1332
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.219
feel as if we haven't watched William Shatner be beautiful and

1333
00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:06.780
Hammy for a long time.

1334
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.699
So we're going to go back to the original series.

1335
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.619
We always have fun with it.

1336
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.659
Don't you think We do.

1337
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:13.079
We do.

1338
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:14.159
Yeah, absolutely.

1339
00:58:14.219 --> 00:58:15.420
Absolutely, we do.

1340
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.380
Oh, I had fun with that.

1341
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.179
I had fun with you with that.

1342
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.139
Okay. 54, 32, one.

1343
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:27.659
I'm not sure what this is.

1344
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:32.760
You're out of Star Trek, the original series episode is season two

1345
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.820
episode 17, a piece of the action.

1346
00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:43.500
Oh, I think that, um, isn't it like 30s gangster planet?

1347
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.780
Oh.

1348
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:47.699
Oh, that one's really fun.

1349
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.139
Ah, that's a really good one. like an absolute classic.

1350
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.480
Well, you are allowed to pick the 1st one.

1351
00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:56.820
Do you know what I was going to do this week?

1352
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:57.780
Go on.

1353
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:02.699
I was also going to pick the original series and I was just going

1354
00:59:02.699 --> 00:59:05.880
to say, and we're going to pick the 3rd one that I roll, whatever

1355
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:06.360
it is.

1356
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.659
But we take a piece of the action. can pick it.

1357
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.300
I've already pressed it again, though. so sorry.

1358
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.440
I know, and it would have been fun, but actually, I want to do

1359
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:20.639
this one.

1360
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:25.079
I want to do this one because you've mentioned this title a couple

1361
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.980
of times recently and it ties into Strange New Wales a lot as

1362
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:29.159
well.

1363
00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:33.840
It's season two, episode one, a mock time.

1364
00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:36.599
Awesome.

1365
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:40.320
So it's Tapring and Stone and Spock and all of our old

1366
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:41.099
favourites.

1367
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:42.960
We were hanging out with a few weeks ago.

1368
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:43.920
Yeah.

1369
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:44.579
Come on.

1370
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.820
There'd be plenty to say about that one, wasn't there?

1371
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:48.420
Yeah.

1372
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:54.360
You do know that in an episode of Strange World, they quote, that

1373
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.199
musical cue.

1374
00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:02.460
So we'll have that musical cue and everything. awesome.

1375
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:03.840
I let you into a secret.

1376
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:04.980
What's that?

1377
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:06.780
I've never seen a mock home.

1378
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:07.619
Oh, okay.

1379
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.519
Well, you will know the musical cue that I'm thinking of when you

1380
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:13.980
hear it because it is pretty fucking incredible.

1381
01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:16.920
I mean, this is a popular episode, isn't it?

1382
01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:19.440
This is a really popular original series episode.

1383
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:20.519
Yeah, yeah.

1384
01:00:20.579 --> 01:00:23.760
That means that 2 weeks ago you didn't get my joke about Spock

1385
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:25.679
throwing Plough Meek soup at Christine.

1386
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:27.780
I mean, I average 5 out of 10.

1387
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:28.920
I'm getting your joke.

1388
01:00:28.980 --> 01:00:30.480
So, you know, okay, fair enough.

1389
01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:32.219
They're usually too smart for me, you know?

1390
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:33.840
No, this was just a reference.

1391
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:37.619
This was the lower decks riders would have thought it was too

1392
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:37.920
obvious.

1393
01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:40.619
Well, let's watch it and then you can tell me the joke again.

1394
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:41.760
All right.

1395
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:42.059
Okay.

1396
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:43.739
All right, fantastic.

1397
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:44.460
Yep.

1398
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:46.260
We're heading to Vulcan then, is that right?

1399
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:47.460
Yeah, yeah.

1400
01:00:48.059 --> 01:00:50.340
Let's do it It's gonna be exciting.

1401
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:03.119
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1402
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:04.320
and Nathan Bottomley.

1403
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:07.679
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com where you can find

1404
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.960
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1405
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:13.440
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1406
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.059
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1407
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:18.960
This episode was recorded on the 15th of August 2022 and released

1408
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.460
on the 26th of August.

1409
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.719
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, Amuck

1410
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:25.139
Time.

1411
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.380
Let me grab my phone quickly.

1412
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.500
I say that every time.

1413
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:53.400
I know I do.

1414
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:53.820
I know.

1415
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:58.980
That's just, you're telling me that to apologise for the fact that

1416
01:01:58.980 --> 01:02:00.000
you're in your pants again.

1417
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:03.539
Oh, you can't hear me.

1418
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:07.619
You listen back to this, though.

1419
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:08.579
Huh?

1420
01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:12.000
No, no, it's just the, it's roasting in here.

1421
01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:17.519
I took as code for when I get up to get my phone, I'm just in my

1422
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:17.699
pants.

1423
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.019
Yeah, very often I am.

1424
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:24.119
Don't worry I did a whole one with a practical stranger. the other

1425
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.579
day and I had to keep doing this every time I got up.

1426
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.739
Well, don't bother you.

1427
01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:31.139
Okay.

1428
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:32.760
All right, original series.

1429
01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:33.420
Let me get it up.