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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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I was talking to someone the other day, and I can't remember who

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it was, but it's probably a friend of the podcast, and he said

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that his favourite Kurtzman Trek is, it might have been Richard

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from Flight through Entirety, actually, who said that his

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favourite Kurtzman Trek is Lower Decks, but certainly there are

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days when it's mine as well.

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I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say, you know.

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And going back and watching this episode, I was in trance for 22.5

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minutes.

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And I was like, why isn't Discovery as fun as this, you know?

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So discoveries are off being sort of momentous and deeply

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emotional.

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You've got strange new worlds being sort of charming and silly and

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a bit slight and occasionally, you know, gutting and like a big

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deal.

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And then you've got this, which, like, I think it combines being

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really funny with actually being really good Star Trek.

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It's genuinely good Star Trek.

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And I don't think this is slight at all.

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And it's telling these marvellous TNG style plots like we get in

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this episode and to take the piss out of that without, you know

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sounding without pushing it too far.

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So it's affectionate, that's a really hard thing to get right.

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And I think they gauge it perfectly.

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I think the other thing that I like is imagining the people riding

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the memory alpha articles as if all of this really happened. love

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winding those people up, don't you?

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I do.

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I'll say it before. say it again.

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Remember Alf was very useful for me on this thing, all right?

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Yes, we are very grateful to the people who write memory alpha.

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However much I enjoy thinking of them being annoyed by things.

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Do you know what surprised me though?

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Because this episode's references a ton.

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I mean, an absolute ton of previous episodes.

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On half of somebody, would have done a part of that memory alpha

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article, listing, detailing them all.

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I was going to read them all out to you.

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Then I thought to myself, do you know what?

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I could watch this with a pen and paper and as you write, I

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thought, oh, no, I'm not doing that much research those things, you

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know?

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I think I can spot some pretty great ones.

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But all of the sort of obvious ones are there.

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And one of the great things is that it burns through all of the

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usual ways that someone could, you know, be in love with someone

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because of some alien influence and then comes up with a

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completely new one.

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I thought the funniest one was where she had all the pictures up

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on the wall and she referenced 2nd skin.

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She goes, well, she could be a changed Kardashian infiltrator.

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And I was like, oh, come on.

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But there was all sorts.

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They mentioned like breed infiltration.

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She's got a paranoia board.

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Yeah, so funny.

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All the pictures are from old stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, as well with this show, right?

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This is a really likeable cast of characters that you care about.

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And they often get this writing comedy shows, which they don't in

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dramas, which baffles me.

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And there are arcs that happen in Lower Decks as well and I know

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it gets a bit more arc heavy in season two.

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I wonder if 3 w as well.

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And there are incredible animated visuals.

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I think in this episode alone, but I think in other episodes where

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they do big set pieces.

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Like it looked really good as well.

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And, you know, I mean, night is trek is my bag and this is just

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leaning into every cliche of 90s trek and basically taking a piss

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out of it in a spectacular way.

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It's glorious.

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I think it's wonderful.

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Yeah.

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What you think?

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I think, do you know what I watched this twice and I laugh my way

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through it both times.

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So if people want to listen to us laughing for 22.5 minutes, we'll

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go on that journey with them.

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Brilliant.

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All right.

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I'll count it in then.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so we have 25 minutes and 15 seconds.

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It's actually amazing how incredibly gory this is as well.

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So, season one of Discovery was quite gory in places and they seem

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to have toned that down in Star Trek.

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It's not something they do all that often anymore, but they let

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this show be as gory as possible.

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Why do you think we don't know?

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This is the only episode.

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Why is there no pre-title sequence?

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Yeah, I wondered about that too.

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I thought maybe what happened was either...

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Well, I think probably what happened is they cut for time, the pre

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credits thing, or the scene they were planning to do was too long

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or something, I don't know.

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It is odd.

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Do you know, I used to say that my favourite part of the title

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sequence was when that alien is sucking on the arse of the

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Serritos.

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And Ghost Pass camera looks a bit embarrassed.

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But actually, my new favourite bit is this, where there's the Borg

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attack and they just go, no, fuck that.

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We're off.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Do you know?

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In series 2, they add packled ships to that shot.

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Oh, because the backleds are the big bad in the season two.

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That is pretty good.

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That's a terrific animation.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I was really listening to the music this time as

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well.

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And it is really leaning as that sort of heroic TNG style.

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We're off on a jolly adventure.

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No, it's kind of the Voyager titles, isn't it?

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plus TNG.

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So Cupid's errant arrow.

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Um, 2 plots.

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We've got RAMB.

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And you know what?

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Honestly, Nathan, it's astonishing how much they pack into 20

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minutes. in this show.

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And even this, like maybe this, look at the Vancouver comes in and

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completely hides...

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One day you could be in command of a fabulous ship like this. mine

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you loser.

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But she's absolutely not impressed.

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So this is some kind of a C plot.

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This is what the, you know, next generation episode would be about

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if we were having a next generation episode happening at the same

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time.

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This would be the A-plot.

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But then that's the premise of this show, isn't it?

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The A plot in TNG is essentially like the F plot in lower decks.

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And so this is just terrific. sublime.

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First of all, we have these intriguing looking purple aliens with

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fins.

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But the really fun thing about it is it's doing the usual Kurtzman

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Star Trek thing about climate change where everyone is kind of

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saying, no, we can't do anything about climate change for various

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stupid reasons, including that we're really rich and we don't want

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to be inconvenienced, which seems to be amazing.

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Like some comment.

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You know, I can remember...

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Janeway and some terrible alien. he's going, oh, thank you for all

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you're doing moving my people from this continent and things like

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that.

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Yeah.

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What's really funny here is there's a 100 reasons why they don't

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want this moon to be destroyed, even though it's literally going

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to cause a lot of trouble when it goes up.

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Yeah, and they're meant to be ridiculous, but there are.

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Yeah.

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And what happened is, oh, you're going to have to help me with the

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names here.

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What's Mariner's mother called?

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Freeman, Carol Freeman.

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When she literally sorts out the whole problem in like one

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sentence.

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Right, we're going to move you there.

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We're going to do that.

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We're going to sort this out.

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I'm like, okay.

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Jeez, really.

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She's earning her stripes.

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Oh, I love this pair.

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Tendi and Rutherford, yeah.

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I do too, so cute.

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And they get to geek out and their love of technology in this. is

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fabulous.

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And they are kind of clearly moving into a situation where they

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discover how much they love one another.

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Are they didn't get romantic?

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I don't think so, but they certainly, like, their friendship is

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hugely, hugely important and it is just delightful how sweet it

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is.

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And they develop that further in series too.

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They love the fact that this show, Oh my god, this ship is amazing

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and Marion Zag is basically the same ship.

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No, it really isn't.

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It's much much bigger.

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Mariners, deadpan lines.

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I think I had a bit of an issue with it, but now I just think

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they're wonderful.

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Oh she's so good.

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And so this hilarious plot where Boiml has a girlfriend.

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And the 1st thing, the voice of bulb.

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I can't remember.

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But the 1st thing that happens when the girlfriend actually turns

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up and hugs Boheemler is Marina's computer end program.

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And thus begins our journey through every Star Trek cliche.

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Alien implant.

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She says it could be a Dominion spy, you know?

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Salt vampire from the very 1st episode.

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She goes, it could be the superb.

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Well, she's actually super embarrassed by the siluban and it has

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to try and encourage everyone to take it seriously as a

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possibility.

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So good.

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I think the payoff is really good in this plot as well.

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Yeah. why she's attracted to him because, you know, and it means

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that Mariner's right.

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No one would be attracted.

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Yeah, except one of the things that the best episodes...

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Oh, his Jet, gosh, he's home.

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I've never seen him naked. when they're all getting up in their

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naked time plot.

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Yep.

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Yep, yep.

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In the episode that we did, Jet is a handsome man. for a cartoon.

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And, um, yeah.

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What's your name with a woman in, oh, good grief, I can't remember

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the film.

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Yeah, where she's sitting in a restaurant going, yes, yes, yes

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pretend to be an organ, Harry, Matt Sally.

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What's the woman's name?

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Meg Ryan?

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Yep.

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I thought she sounded just like Meg Ryan, Bob.

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I don't think she's Meg Ryan, but I can't remember.

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I can't afford her.

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Well, I did look it up and it wasn't a name that I recognised.

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So, there we go.

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Hey, have you heard about them doing the crossover between Strange

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New Worlds and lower decks?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So were they going to what?

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Mix animation and live action.

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I don't know.

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The thing is that Tawny Newsom and Jack Quaid look quite a bit

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like the cartoon versions of them.

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Jack Quaid would have to have a purple wig, but otherwise I think

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we'd kind of be fine.

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So I think it's kind of doable.

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You remember that Rutherford is Pillboy from Jason's friend from

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The Good Place.

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And of course, um, uh, the boss, you know, like, um, uh, Josh

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Chan's boss in Grayzy ex-girlfriend.

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And he's just a light player.

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That's pretty good pedigree, you know.

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I love him.

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I just think he's really adorable.

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And so the, so the best, I think the best episodes have the

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pairing, you know, Boheemler and Mariner and then Tandy and

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Rutherford.

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And do you know what?

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Do you remember in series two, episode one, was it?

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Unborn is off elsewhere, isn't he, on another ship?

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And he's on the tie, Phil, his absence because you don't have this

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hair. pissed off that he's not there.

257
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

259
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Oh yes, no, possibly there are people from the planet that justice

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is set on, and that's what she is.

261
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She's one of those people.

262
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She's sex upstairs.

263
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Oh, okay, so now we're going to get a, oh, no, that's the

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flashback.

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We're on deep side.

266
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Oh, there's that ship, the, like, the Pasteur in, in all good

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things.

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I'll just say, that is the one and only appearance of Deep Space 9

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so far since what you leave behind.

270
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Yeah, yeah.

271
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Yep.

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Oh, this is great.

273
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He must be an alien parasite, and then suddenly he turns into this

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horrific alien.

275
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Well, the very one that she names, I think. the perfect guy

276
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looking particularly incredible there.

277
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It is pretty gray, isn't it?

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Super embarrassing.

279
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Why do you think so they're wearing the kind of movie, the 1st

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contact outfits?

281
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Oh, here we go.

282
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He's turning into a alien shapeshifter.

283
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Well, that's what they were on DS9.

284
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Maybe they've done it just to be polite.

285
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Oh, okay, yeah.

286
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Yeah.

287
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Because it's super legit.

288
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Yeah, yeah, she's gone.

289
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She's come over her face.

290
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It's super gory.

291
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It's so ridiculous.

292
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Did they get away with it because it's a cartoon.

293
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Oh, can I say to you something?

294
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When I was watching this, you know, I know how they managed to

295
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squeeze so much into 22 minutes.

296
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It's because they all talk so bloody fast in this program.

297
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And that is the thing about these styles of cartoons, isn't it?

298
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is that they do try and pack in a 40 minute script in 20 minutes.

299
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Yeah, yeah.

300
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Well, here we go.

301
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So this is this is Freeman solving the problem in just one line

302
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and all the religious people and all of the things.

303
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So, so I, the payoff to this plot, I laughed. so hard.

304
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It's really good We can't relocate my people from this moon.

305
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Yeah, yeah.

306
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You'll be destroying our homes and stuff without this moon will

307
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perish.

308
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And is this a, are we making fun of progress in Deep Space 9

309
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series one where Brian...

310
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Won't leave his moon?

311
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Oh, it's so funny.

312
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You'll have blood on your hands.

313
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It's literally him and his fucking wife on the whole plane.

314
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And then when he just goes, yeah, we're rich.

315
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We've got a whole planet to ourselves.

316
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So good.

317
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So good.

318
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His boiler being like a massive dickhead as well.

319
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And everyone's being sort of quite nice to him, even though he's

320
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being such a jerk.

321
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I want...

322
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You know, he's got our parasite on him, you know, and they might

323
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all fancy him at the moment.

324
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Apparently it makes you irresistible.

325
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It's parasite.

326
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I'm never taking mine off, you know.

327
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What's Marina snug in just to make sure she's not an Android.

328
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Oh, that's right.

329
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She said out like, I sound waved, didn't she?

330
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Yeah, that's right.

331
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Have we had an Android infiltrators?

332
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Oh, what, Picard?

333
00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

334
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There we go.

335
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We're doing our own memory out for just in this podcast. exactly

336
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right Oh, I want to see her bored on the wall.

337
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But you know what?

338
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We've always, there is a thing, you know, about mixing

339
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relationships and work.

340
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And when someone comes into your work, from your, and that being

341
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terribly awkward, you know, we've probably all gone through that.

342
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Those 2 things are separate for a reason.

343
00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:54.779
Well, yeah, Calvin comes to work, things like work functions, work

344
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social functions and knows a lot of my friends at work, which is

345
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kind of nice.

346
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I love this.

347
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These guys are such geeks.

348
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So they're super thrilled about this new kind of tricorder and

349
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they're imagining themselves being revered by everyone in their

350
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relevant departments.

351
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Oh, here we go.

352
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Here we go.

353
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So this is, so look, there's a salt vampire there.

354
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There's a solar band. a whale for some reason.

355
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I don't know, there's a Klingon wearing a Kardashian woman from

356
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2nd skin.

357
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And she's doing, you know that meme, the meme from, it's, uh, it's

358
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always sunny in Philadelphia, the meme of the guy standing in

359
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front of the paranoia board with the red twine.

360
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She actually does that.

361
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Um, and like it actually does that moment.

362
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Like they reference that.

363
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I mean.

364
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Oh, God, here.

365
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He's gone for all of it. history to see what are the coolest

366
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clothes.

367
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And so he's got an amalgam.

368
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It just looks like such a twat.

369
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You came in looking all sexy and then you started acting like a

370
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twat. you know?

371
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That's right.

372
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You know, you were going on about the the tricord, the new

373
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tricorders.

374
00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:03.899
Yeah, this was 90s trick.

375
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That would just be an agonising scene if they were talking about

376
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oh, these new tricorders.

377
00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:08.639
Where is it?

378
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They can get away with it and it's where it's so much fun.

379
00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.679
Well, I just think it's because it's all a bit knowing.

380
00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:15.899
They're all kind of winking at the audience going, you know.

381
00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.139
No, I think it's because Tandy and Rutherford are the sort of

382
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people who would be super enthusiastic about that and that's

383
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adorable.

384
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I mean, I think both Tandy and Rutherford are absolutely

385
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adorable.

386
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Marin is getting a hair sample.

387
00:16:29.820 --> 00:16:32.519
I mean, they're basically ours, aren't they?

388
00:16:32.580 --> 00:16:34.080
geeking out about something.

389
00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:36.179
Yeah, I think it's so cool. cute.

390
00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.639
I think they're incredibly cute.

391
00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:42.120
He's sexy as hell.

392
00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:43.379
For God's sake.

393
00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.740
Yeah, you know, I just have this all this empathy for boy.

394
00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:49.679
I can't help it, even when he mucks things up all the time.

395
00:16:49.740 --> 00:16:51.899
When you get finally getting something right, I remember punching

396
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the air with delight.

397
00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.399
It's usually inadvertently though that he gets things right, isn't

398
00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:56.519
it?

399
00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:59.639
Well, he does get a full-time job and a permanent position on the

400
00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.279
Titan. in series two.

401
00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:06.839
Was that the last episode where he was trying to impress Riker?

402
00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:10.559
Yeah, but he gets that job and then, of course, there's one of

403
00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.920
those 2nd chances style transported duplication things.

404
00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:18.299
And so boy, at one point, comes back to the Serenos and the other

405
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one's on the Titan.

406
00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.180
You know what?

407
00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:24.900
I think I think the way that they very delicately take the Mickey

408
00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:27.420
out of all these nice Shrek episode all basically everything.

409
00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.579
It makes me want to go and watch them as well.

410
00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.279
So it's not it's not having a detrimental effect.

411
00:17:32.339 --> 00:17:32.940
Not at all.

412
00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:33.779
No, no, no.

413
00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.059
It reminds us what we love about that show.

414
00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.299
And you know what?

415
00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.539
So much, we've pointed out on this podcast, how ridiculous.

416
00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:43.799
So much of night.

417
00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:46.980
I mean, if they dare to have a sex ghost in this thing.

418
00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.859
I mean, it would be wonderful.

419
00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:51.539
It would be so awesome.

420
00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:52.859
And you know what?

421
00:17:52.859 --> 00:17:55.619
The church could literally flap in the wind because it's made out

422
00:17:55.619 --> 00:17:58.799
of, you know, it's made out of cardboard. fibreglass.

423
00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.680
Oh, yeah.

424
00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.259
Oh, she calls you a sweet nervous nugget.

425
00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.440
Yeah, dainty hip is pretty cray.

426
00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:11.579
I've never been called back.

427
00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.480
I tell you. and pulls down her pants.

428
00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:18.000
Aren't reptiles in it?

429
00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:19.740
She is unembarrassed as well.

430
00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.119
She just goes, come on, let's go.

431
00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:25.440
What I love her as well is that both women think the same things

432
00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:26.519
about each other.

433
00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:29.940
And then the payoff is as him all along.

434
00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.720
Well, in fact, the fun thing is that they properly bond in quite a

435
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.720
normal way and they realise that they...

436
00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:37.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

437
00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.359
And then the twist is...

438
00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.720
No, look, I'm not having this because I had my other half and a

439
00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.180
friend over this week and they were very much bonding over the

440
00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:46.079
ridiculous things I do.

441
00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:48.000
All right, well, that's right.

442
00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.000
Well, that's what they thought though, isn't it?

443
00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:52.920
They bombed out with the fact that boring was a prat.

444
00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:53.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

445
00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.079
Because he, I mean, he is.

446
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.279
Bradwood.

447
00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:58.500
And that's the thing now.

448
00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.839
He's just called Bradwood from episode five.

449
00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:02.579
That's got to be a reference to Jedwood, right?

450
00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:03.779
I don't know.

451
00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:04.500
Maybe.

452
00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.839
They are Americans and no one outside of England knows who Jedwood

453
00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:10.019
is.

454
00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.619
Oh, I love this fella who works on the Vancouver, who's all the

455
00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:16.559
way through, like, the ultimate Star Trek professional, and then

456
00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.140
he's like, it's so stressful working on this shit.

457
00:19:19.259 --> 00:19:20.819
I want to...

458
00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:23.579
I want to transfer to the Cerritos where you do all the shitty

459
00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:23.819
missions.

460
00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:24.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:28.319
Because it's, you know, rebooting the time stream, which is what

462
00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.359
Barb came in and said that she'd just done.

463
00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:33.480
You know, like the whole thing is sort of super ridiculous and

464
00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:34.259
incredibly stressful.

465
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.140
Oh, she up to now?

466
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:37.799
What she doing?

467
00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:40.559
Authorisation Mariner 8.

468
00:19:40.619 --> 00:19:42.119
She's trying to beam to the platform.

469
00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.339
Oh, and he goes, is this a made-up authorisation?

470
00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:49.380
But look, do you see that planet there?

471
00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:52.500
I think the animation is really good. looks really good.

472
00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.559
Is it enhanced by CG, though, because sometimes I think it looks

473
00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:56.099
like it is.

474
00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.180
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

475
00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.059
I think all of those 3D, like all of the ships and stuff are

476
00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:02.759
computer generated and that's how they get the 3D right.

477
00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:07.859
Remember in the animated series where they try to animate...

478
00:20:07.859 --> 00:20:14.339
You know, apparently that's the 1st full frontal noodle scene in

479
00:20:14.339 --> 00:20:15.420
Star Trek, that one.

480
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.859
Oh, okay.

481
00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:17.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

482
00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:18.900
Not the last, though.

483
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.000
We saw all the section annigans in the other one we did.

484
00:20:21.059 --> 00:20:22.319
Yep, yep.

485
00:20:22.380 --> 00:20:25.200
Oh, bless him. he's got a weedy little potty.

486
00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.119
He's dating here.

487
00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:28.619
It's quite nice, actually.

488
00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:35.819
But you know, like, yeah, like in the animated series.

489
00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.500
Do you remember when they wouldn't even turn the Enterprise

490
00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:39.839
because that's very expensive to keep drawing it?

491
00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:42.059
Yeah, yeah, because they have to hand draw it going around the

492
00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:42.359
corners.

493
00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:45.059
Must be very expensive to make.

494
00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:47.160
Well, except with animation.

495
00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:52.440
You know, like 3D computer animation is kind of easier than just

496
00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.380
hand drawing it and guessing at what it might look like.

497
00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:57.119
Um, uh, here we go.

498
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.460
Okay, tell me there's no hand drawing. break my heart.

499
00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.259
Well, yeah, no, no, of course there is.

500
00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.359
But, but, you know, there's lots of...

501
00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:04.380
It's too sophisticated.

502
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:05.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:06.299
Yeah.

504
00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:12.180
Look at them. they're so adorable Didn't you say that something

505
00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:14.160
happens to him at the end of the season?

506
00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:16.079
And then he goes through a massive arc.

507
00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:19.799
Yeah, so he loses his memory at the end of series one.

508
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:25.559
And there's this delightful episode in the series too where he's

509
00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.500
starting to malfunction and he keeps getting these error messages

510
00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:31.380
like over his point of vision and he can't see because all of

511
00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:34.859
these error dialogue boxes are turning up and the reason is he's

512
00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:38.700
running out of memory because he's so sad at losing his memories

513
00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:43.440
of Tandy last season that he's saving lots and lots of redundant

514
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.900
copies all over the place and running out of memory.

515
00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:47.759
It's just so sweet.

516
00:21:47.819 --> 00:21:49.500
It's so beautiful.

517
00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:51.059
It's really well done.

518
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.460
You know, it's that memory thing.

519
00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:58.619
It's that what they did to poor Michelle Nichols in yeah.

520
00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:00.539
Yeah, the nomads.

521
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:05.460
Yeah, but they do this and it lasts and it has impacts beyond that

522
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:05.759
episode.

523
00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:08.460
I remember thinking like a lot.

524
00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:10.980
The characterisation was a little bit disposedable until I got to

525
00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:14.099
the penultimate episode of this season and they had that entire

526
00:22:14.099 --> 00:22:18.900
sequence where Mariner and her mother were fighting each other and

527
00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:22.559
it was an extended therapy session and it was incredibly well

528
00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:23.279
characterised.

529
00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:27.720
Like, I was like, wow, this is, this is good smart TV, you know?

530
00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:28.200
Yeah.

531
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.319
Yeah, no, I think it's really, it's, it would have been so easy to

532
00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.819
to be disposable and to just be funny or to be kind of

533
00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:36.900
relentlessly nasty.

534
00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:40.019
I mean, this reminds me, you know, it's animated the way that Rick

535
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:41.700
and Morty is animated, I guess.

536
00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.759
And I think they have some DNA in common.

537
00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:47.339
But I think Rick and Morty...

538
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.359
The, the, the speed of the gags and the ideas and it's definitely

539
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:55.440
coming from that. real cynicism in Rick and Morty, which Rick and

540
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:55.799
Morty.

541
00:22:56.099 --> 00:22:57.119
I don't like it very much.

542
00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:00.660
I like the ideas in it and I think it's very funny sometimes, but

543
00:23:00.660 --> 00:23:02.700
I don't like the nastiness.

544
00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:07.500
Yeah, I think I feel the same way about it, whereas this is so

545
00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:08.279
this is so great.

546
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.799
We have to move on civilisation.

547
00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:15.359
Both of you. both of us, yeah.

548
00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:20.279
There are 2 of you on your whole planet.

549
00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:22.440
Yes, we're rich.

550
00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:24.180
Implode the moon.

551
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.440
Do you know what?

552
00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:29.220
Remember in season one of in season one of discovery, where you

553
00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:32.220
had characters actually swearing, because this is leading into 90s

554
00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:33.359
we have a bleep filter open.

555
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:39.660
Well, no one's allowed to say fuck on discovery anymore either, but

557
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:40.920
I do like...

558
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:44.700
I think Picard said shit a couple of times in French in TNG.

559
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.900
Oh, no, but remember in the episode that we watched the last

560
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:54.720
episode of Discovery we watched when book flew off and and

561
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.720
Michael's just alone in the cargo bay and she just says shit.

562
00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:00.059
It's really real.

563
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.579
Bollocks in one episode, but I'm not sure.

564
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.579
I don't think they do get the word use that needs.

565
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.759
It's some English thing, you know?

566
00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:09.599
that's right.

567
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:12.720
Well, it's like they could say bloody as well when they were

568
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.599
allowed to swear on either.

569
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.839
But I think as well.

570
00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:23.519
The fact that Lower Decks convinced even a portion of the Star

571
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:28.140
Trek audience, because I think Star Trek fans are a little without

572
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.039
humour.

573
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:33.000
Yeah, I like the Tetla Babble and the serious aspects of it and

574
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.619
the moral dilemmas and all of this.

575
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.880
The fact that enough people fell in love with this.

576
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:39.900
It gave me some hope.

577
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:41.759
Stop.

578
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:44.460
Well, like, like, I want to be fair to the Star Trek audience

579
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:47.579
because I love the techno-babble and the nonsense, and I also love

580
00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:51.240
the parlour game of pretending it all happened in in a real

581
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.839
consistent timeline, even though that's not very important to me

582
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:55.380
at all.

583
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.640
And one of the things that I love about this is it acknowledges

584
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.799
that the world of Star Trek is ridiculous.

585
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:05.460
And we've talked about that even recently, even in our last

586
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:10.019
episode about Strange New Worlds, that Star Trek is inherently

587
00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:13.380
ridiculous in all sorts of ways, and it should just lean into that

588
00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.740
and he is absolutely doing that. more times than it did in night.

589
00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:18.660
It's trick, they should have said, oh my god, this is just

590
00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:19.200
absurd.

591
00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:20.339
Yeah.

592
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:21.059
Yeah.

593
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:25.200
Are you telling me that Captain Janeway is that lizard and Tom

594
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.720
Paris is that other lizard and they've fucked and had lizard

595
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:28.140
babies?

596
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:33.839
So I actually watched, uh, as soon after I watched this one, I

597
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.059
watched, we'll always have Tom Paris.

598
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.980
In which Tom Paris comes on point in that title, Jesus Christ.

599
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.420
Is he in that episode?

600
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. in it.

601
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.480
Did I take the piss out of the fire, but he's a fan of

602
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:48.779
everything.

603
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.119
You know, he's got amazing 20th century knowledge.

604
00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:57.180
No, no, no, but Boimler has commemorative plates and he refers to

605
00:25:57.180 --> 00:26:01.799
the ship Voyager as VOI because he finds it saves a lot of time, to

606
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.559
call it that, because that's, you know, the standard abbreviation

607
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.079
and riding the word Voyager.

608
00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.220
Uh, here we go.

609
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.359
We're about to discover the parasite, which it took out.

610
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:13.920
Oh, the parasite talks, doesn't it?

611
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:15.240
Oh, it's a dummy.

612
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:15.839
Oh, no.

613
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:16.799
It's so funny.

614
00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:17.460
Look at it.

615
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:21.420
Like, but well, because he was calling her lover and now it's

616
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:22.259
calling her lover.

617
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.140
And the thing is that...

618
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:30.240
It's adorable, but Bob falls in love with her because it's...

619
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:31.980
It looks like that.

620
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:35.099
That little alien conspiracy.

621
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:35.880
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:36.420
Yeah.

623
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:37.980
Only much cuter.

624
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:41.160
And in fact, Doctor Who did one in Crimson Ora, didn't he?

625
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.000
I like the one from the Crimson Horror, I think.

626
00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:47.039
But yes, she's going...

627
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.839
Oh my god, can you see the binars on the wall?

628
00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:50.099
Yes, yeah.

629
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:55.380
They got a reference, you know, they've been referred to in

630
00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:57.000
another episode of Lower Decks.

631
00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:57.900
So she's going off.

632
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.660
Look, it's the whale from the voyage home.

633
00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:07.799
So she is now in love with a parasite and is going off.

634
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:12.059
She's broken up with Brad and now she's she's going off with a

635
00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:15.299
parasite, and of course, her and Mariner are still now friends

636
00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:16.859
even though they've broken up.

637
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.380
Parasite looked a bit concerned.

638
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.900
Actually... she going to do to me?

639
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.940
Do you know what's strange I know?

640
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.099
Remember I had a bit of a whinge in one of these episodes about

641
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:31.140
how much Kurtzman Trent looks back and how much nostalgia there is

642
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:31.559
now?

643
00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:33.420
For some reason, and this is the worst.

644
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

645
00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:35.940
No, Dex does it more now.

646
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.740
For some reason, I just don't care in this show.

647
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.539
I feel like that's part of what this show's about.

648
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.319
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.299
Well, I think that's the same with Strangely Worlds.

650
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.460
I think the Stranger World is absolutely about that.

651
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:51.180
But they're both doing enough original things alongside it to sort

652
00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:52.920
of make it not unbearable.

653
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:57.299
Oh, look, they just, see, Tendy and Rutherford really like one

654
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:58.200
another too.

655
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.220
It's just adorable.

656
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.759
And even though next time. next time.

657
00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:04.380
Oh, I don't know what the next one is.

658
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.940
Oh, it's this irritating guy.

659
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.859
I can't remember.

660
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.039
I don't have, why don't I have closed captions on this, on this

661
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:14.579
next episode?

662
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.440
Yeah, it's very strange.

663
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.200
No, can't remember.

664
00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:21.299
It all looks incredibly exciting, though.

665
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:22.019
It does.

666
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:22.440
It does.

667
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:23.640
That guy's super nice.

668
00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:25.200
Tiana was not in this episode.

669
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:25.799
Was she?

670
00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:29.700
No, and she is one of the best Starfleet doctors ever.

671
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:34.619
You remember when they was all having sex and she was clinging

672
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:36.599
onto that guy's back with her claws out.

673
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:37.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

674
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.180
She was fucking shacks, wasn't she?

675
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.640
And they share a bed, I think, when they swap.

676
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:43.200
You remember they swap?

677
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:45.660
I can't go that image out.

678
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.740
So great.

679
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:51.539
Well, in fact, in a very early episode, I think it's series two, um

680
00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:57.480
Tendi and and Mariner go off together, um, because Tendi's been

681
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:03.119
given the job of taking her kind of sex, scratching post out of

682
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:03.720
storage.

683
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:04.859
She's...

684
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.480
And bringing it back to the Ceresa.

685
00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:11.220
Do they do lots of...

686
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.099
I mean, I can remember some, but as it goes along, do they do more

687
00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:15.480
sort of cat jokes?

688
00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:19.380
Yeah, it's kind of funny too, because they're, obviously, they're

689
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:20.160
actually real.

690
00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:25.440
Did we say this before, but the cations are, there's one in the

691
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.299
1st episode of Star Trek Prodigy, a little baby one.

692
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.420
There's the one in the animated series with the long hair.

693
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.740
That's where they 1st appeared.

694
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.759
And there's a live action one in one of the Star Trek films.

695
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:43.140
Oh, I love the fact that it's an initial introduction was the

696
00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:43.859
animated series.

697
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:47.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah. borrowed another thing for the animated series

698
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:50.759
which is so annoying. doesn't care where how embarrassing its

699
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:51.299
sources are.

700
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:52.740
It will celebrate the lot.

701
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.700
But you know what's, like, we've done a lot of Star Trek now.

702
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.519
We've covered a lot of Star Trek, a lot of shows and a lot of

703
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.019
different styles on Star Trek.

704
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:05.700
And in 90s, Trek, the most fun we've probably had is the comedies

705
00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:10.019
like that have been the bang or the really kind of insanely camped

706
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:12.900
stupid episodes, like sub-rosa and things like that.

707
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:17.279
What I love about this show is that is this show's default setting

708
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.380
is to make it as fun and as energetic and as silly as possible.

709
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.720
And I just, I love it for that.

710
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:28.200
I think it's it's a really worthy thing to do.

711
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:34.980
I think that at times the live action Kurtzman shows can be funny

712
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:39.420
and they can be witty and warm and all sorts of things like that.

713
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:44.519
But of the live action Star Trek shows, the ones I think the only

714
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.019
one that's actually succeeded at actual comedy is probably Deep

715
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:49.799
Space Nine.

716
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:53.940
Yeah, I can probably cite a few examples in the other shows, but

717
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.400
not consistently good comedy.

718
00:30:56.460 --> 00:31:01.559
Well, I think that part of the deal is that, you know, the stick

719
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:06.599
up the butt syndrome that plagues 90s track is apparent much less

720
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.420
on Deep Space 9.

721
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.640
And I think it's because they have lots of characters who aren't

722
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:12.359
in the Federation.

723
00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:17.460
And so they distinguish themselves from being federation people by

724
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:19.319
acting a little bit more normally.

725
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:22.319
And so they can do fun comedy.

726
00:31:22.380 --> 00:31:27.299
Do you not remember in um, one little ship, as they're about to

727
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:31.140
miniaturise the ship to the size of an inch, and Kira's on the

728
00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:35.099
bridge, and she goes to Cisco, are you seriously telling me, we

729
00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:38.160
are going to shrink down this ship to the size of a coffee cup, and

730
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.980
she just bursts into laughter, and so does Cisco, and then

731
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:43.799
literally, the whole bridge just falls about, and they're

732
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:45.599
basically saying, go with this, folks.

733
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:46.680
We know this stupid.

734
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:48.779
We know it's stupid.

735
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:49.680
We're just doing it.

736
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:50.940
It's Star Trek.

737
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:54.240
But there's not there's just not enough of that in 90s tricks.

738
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:55.380
They take too much of this.

739
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.960
Ridiculous, not really seriously.

740
00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:59.460
Yeah.

741
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:00.539
Oh, which is a shame.

742
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.700
So it's time for us to choose our next Star Trek episode.

743
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.920
So Joe is on Untitled Star Trek Project.com slash Randomiser

744
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.079
because it's his turn.

745
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:22.740
Yes, and today I am limiting my choices to a single series.

746
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.019
Is it the animated series?

747
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.220
It's not.

748
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:26.519
No.

749
00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:27.240
Okay, cool.

750
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.900
And it's simply because I fancy watching the show.

751
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.039
Okay, good.

752
00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:33.720
This is a very, very good reason.

753
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.539
It's enterprise, isn't it?

754
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.619
It's not.

755
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.720
Star Trek Voyager.

756
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:43.319
Oh, I fancy going heading back to Voyager because, you know, it's

757
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.140
50-50 with Voyager's like roulette Christmas button.

758
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.519
Yeah, it could be.

759
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:48.000
You ready?

760
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:49.319
Okay.

761
00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:52.440
So the 1st episode that's come up, no, I don't really ever go with

762
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.160
the 1st episode.

763
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:59.220
But oh, it's season seven, episode 23, Homestead.

764
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.339
Now that's the episode where Neelix leaves Voyager.

765
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.200
Ah, we could bring champagne and actually, I quite like Neelix.

766
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:07.799
That's not fair.

767
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:09.000
Good.

768
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.980
I really fancy it.

769
00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:13.200
I fancy going to the early voyager.

770
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:14.099
We haven't really touched it.

771
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.799
Like we've done a couple of season seven, haven't we?

772
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.660
We have, yeah.

773
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.000
We've basically done later Voyager.

774
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:23.279
Okay, well, let me press it again.

775
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:26.339
Oh, I like this one.

776
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:27.539
Oh okay.

777
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.660
And it's essentially one actor talking to themselves for 40

778
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:31.079
minutes.

779
00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:36.180
It's season two, episode 17, Dreadnaught.

780
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.680
Oh my god.

781
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:40.380
I think that's the episode where Janeway's talking to the man

782
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:41.460
where he's relocating.

783
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.880
She relocating them all from the planet.

784
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.700
All right.

785
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.059
Okay.

786
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:49.500
I can see it from your face.

787
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.460
Who is it?

788
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.980
It's like, it's belonging to a... to a consentient... that's got

789
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:56.279
her voice.

790
00:33:56.339 --> 00:34:01.079
So she created this Cardassian missile with her own personality.

791
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:02.160
Okay.

792
00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:04.920
So it's basically Roxanne Dawson twice.

793
00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:07.079
It's actually, I mean, she is going over this episode.

794
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.760
Yeah, well, let's do it.

795
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.300
Oh, I'm gonna press it again.

796
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:12.960
Okay.

797
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:14.219
Okay.

798
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:22.380
So, ooh, season 3, episode 21, before and after.

799
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:26.280
Now that is the KES episode where we get to go through her entire

800
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:26.760
life.

801
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:27.900
Oh, okay.

802
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.780
And the future, we see the year of hell before it happens.

803
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.519
Oh, yes, that's right.

804
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:33.239
That's right.

805
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.079
I remember that.

806
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:35.099
Do you know what?

807
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.780
That's one of the highlights of season 3 that.

808
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:37.860
All right.

809
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:38.760
I think we could do that.

810
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:39.960
A good high concept one.

811
00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:43.619
And it gives us a chance to talk about Kes because I...

812
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:45.659
I would like to...

813
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:46.320
And you know what?

814
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.539
I think I might do a little bit of research, actually, into her

815
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:49.679
life post Star Trek.

816
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:54.900
Yeah, it's not a rewarding topic of research, but I like her in

817
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:55.739
all sorts of ways.

818
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.659
There's a lot to be said for that character, I think.

819
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:02.460
In fact, I think they would have been smarter to have kept her and

820
00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:06.900
had this be a very female dominated show and get rid of some of

821
00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:07.619
the boring men.

822
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:08.519
Yeah.

823
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.079
Yeah, Tom Paris.

824
00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:12.059
It's the men that are boring on boy, John.

825
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:12.659
It's yeah.

826
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:14.159
Apart from...

827
00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:15.300
The doctor?

828
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.539
I think he's the only one, I think, of any worth.

829
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.460
Yeah, I'd agree with that.

830
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:23.280
Well, Nathan, let's go watch before and after.

831
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.179
Okay.

832
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.719
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

833
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:37.980
and Nathan Bottomley.

834
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.159
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find

835
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.500
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

836
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.219
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceron, and the theme was

837
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.659
composed by Cameron Lamb.

838
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.440
This episode was recorded on the 8th of August 2022 and released

839
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.639
on the 12th of August.

840
00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:58.199
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, before and after.

841
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:19.800
I'm ready.

842
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:21.840
All right, I think I'm ready too.

843
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.340
I guess we do it.

844
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.920
I'm kneeling down because I was getting so sweaty in that chair.

845
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:31.679
I was honestly starting to congeal against the chair.

846
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:34.860
So I'm nigging it down just to get some air to my private, so it's

847
00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:35.639
a thing.

848
00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:36.960
Okay.

849
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.940
I'm sure I'll find a way of bringing that up during the

850
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:39.300
recording.

851
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.860
Okay, okay.

852
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.539
I suppose I should say something.

853
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.239
Oh, by the way, I'll just say, in the last 2 episodes, right?

854
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:54.659
On one of them, yeah, you said, hey, Joe, like this.

855
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.760
Hey, Joe. And one of them, one of them.

856
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:01.619
I went...

857
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.840
Yeah, I was like, hey, Joe, I was like, okay, what happened

858
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:07.260
there?

859
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.579
What sort of mood were you in?

860
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:09.239
What was that?

861
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:10.199
Yeah.

862
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.360
I sounded like a pervert when I went, hi.

863
00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:17.820
Hi.

864
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.800
All right.

865
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:20.699
Here you go.

866
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.239
Okay.

867
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.920
I just said it one of those in.

868
00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:25.320
I've got all them recorded.

869
00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:28.559
Hey, Joe. Hi.

870
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:31.980
I was talking to someone the other day.