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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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I'm a little bit excited about doing this episode because, for me

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Strange New Worlds has been a massive surprise and a really

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pleasant one.

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And I'll tell you why.

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I think initially I had thought that Strange New Worlds would be

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very Trad and that it would let Discovery sort of Deep Space 9 and

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off in the distance and be serialised and and weird and sort of

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emotional and stuff.

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And instead, what seems to have happened is they've done Trad Star

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Trek, but updated in the most fabulous way, where it's Star Trek

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with astounding production values, really likeable characters, and

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some really fun, relaxed performances, and while it's occasionally

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been really scary or really heart wrenching. content with just

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being fun.

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Well, as ever, you know, I watched the episode that we did the

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commentary on earlier in the season. and I watched the 2nd one.

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You said it was really good, and I thought the Yahoo episode was

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fantastic.

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I haven't watched any since then at all.

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And I am absolutely going to get to it because I thought those 1st

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2 episodes were amazing.

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If you were going to sit there and make an argument to say that

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this series ain't rad after the episode we're about to talk about

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today.

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I mean, this could have been an episode of TNG.

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Yes.

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I've got a feeling you and I are going to be at loggerheads on

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this one.

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Because I think you liked it a lot.

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Yeah, I did.

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I did.

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And I mean, there are some reasons for that.

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I don't think it's like Star Trek, the Next Generation, because

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Star Trek, the Next Generation is famous for being peopled by

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space people.

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I do think it's like the original series, but it's the original

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series in a kind of way that's much more relaxed and much less

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melodramatic.

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You know, the original series cast really declaim their lines.

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And while there's moments of sort of fun and relaxation, it's

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mostly performance.

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Whereas here, I think the characters are much more chill and I

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love that.

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Do you remember what I sent you in... our message chat after I'd

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watched this, there was just like something missing from this and

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I couldn't put my finger on what it was.

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And I, so I went back and watched the last 20 minutes for the 2nd

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time just to see what it was.

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And I think it was just the fact that there wasn't, after I said

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there wasn't a lot of depth to this.

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There wasn't any depth to this whatsoever.

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But also as well, like all the twists and turns were a bit obvious

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and very simple.

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And I don't know.

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I've realised I've come to expect some like thematic depth, even

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in like the very relaxed episodes of Kurtzman Trek and just that

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sort of extra layer of characterisation, which I thought was kind

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of simple here as well.

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I don't know.

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I just watched the whole thing and at the end, I kind of went

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huh.

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Oh, well, that was an hour of TV, you know, like, and there was a

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few bits that were enjoyable, and there was a few bits that I

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groaned at, and there was a few bits where I went, Oh, come on

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which we'll get to.

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But on the whole, I just thought it was a bit mundane.

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Okay, it's been a track.

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Well, I think it's it's content to be the comedy episode and like

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last week.

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Now, I'm struggling to remember which order things come in.

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Last week had been a very heavy, very kind of, it's a very sort of

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TRAD Star Trek plot where they go to a planet which exists

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basically to make a political point, one of those sort of

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allegorical ones and it's done very well, I think, and it's quite

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moving.

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The next one is their wacky one where they all get taken over and

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start behaving like characters in a children's book, um, and Laan

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in particular is absolutely superb in that one.

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And that's really light, but it has a very, very moving ending

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that wraps up a low-level serialised character plot.

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And so I think this is just content to be fun.

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And I think in a season that has 10 episodes, what they do is

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there's a good mix of properly scary, properly meaningful, properly

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moving, properly weird, and just fun.

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And I think Spock Amuck was doing that.

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And I think that this one's doing the same thing.

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And one of the things that they've done is gone for the Kurtzman

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conception of the Vulcans as slightly silly.

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And I think that kind of works.

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I really like Ethan Peck when he's being funny and I think Tapring

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is really good as well.

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I wasn't sure of any of the jokes actually landed in this because

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I don't recall laughing. much of it.

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But you know what?

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My biggest hurdle with this was this is a pirate story.

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And that is my least favourite genre of anything apart from maybe

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a Western, which I think is very boring as well.

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And this bunch of pirates were so ill characterised.

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I mean, they were characterised.

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They were just sort of snarling and there was a bit of

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conversation about cooking.

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Okay, the head pirate who, I'm sorry, I know you was fooled, but I

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wasn't for one minute, that she was, that she was not evil all

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along, and boy, does she have a transformation halfway through the

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episode?

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We'll talk about that a bit later on as well.

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I don't know.

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I tell you, it was it was perfectly acceptable television.

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Like it was possible, but I think there's 2 things.

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One, it made me realise that actually I expect more from Kersman

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Trek.

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So clearly I, you know, I'm seeing more in the rest of it than I

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thought I was.

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And two, I think you're kind of predetermined to look for the good

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in this iteration of trek.

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And when I start watching this stuff, I am waiting to be convinced

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with every episode.

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And it's a very different approach to watching television.

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So when something comes along, which is a little bit

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underwhelming.

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I think, you know, I'm there going, well, that was a bit shit

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wouldn't it?

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You know?

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But it was it was okay.

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It was okay.

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Well, I mean, I think Strangely Worlds as remit is in part just do

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60s trick things, but with incredible modern production values and

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relaxed performances.

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And I think that that's almost enough.

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And the fact that Strangely Worlds regularly reaches for something

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beyond that, I think, is really great.

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We read Jammer's review of this episode.

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Yeah.

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And I'm usually fairly in sync with Jammer.

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On the whole.

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Gambit from Star Trek, the Next Generation's final season, I think

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is better, and I think that's a baffling position to take because

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it's interminable.

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Everyone has a massive stick up their arse.

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It's super boring and nothing interesting happens at all.

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For 2 episodes.

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It's absolutely Star Trek, spinning its wheels. trying something

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different and failing.

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I'm so sorry.

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I think that Gappa is probably a little bit better than this.

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Well, because I think Gabi's got a Gabi's got a better hook.

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The hooking gambit is Captain Picard is dead, and then Captain

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Picard has turned wrong.

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Turns up.

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Yeah.

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And it's just basically an excuse for, yeah, Patrick Stewart to

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kind of overact a little bit and get to be a pirate captain.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But like this one, there are nothing to subvert the pirate genre.

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It was basically, and oh, how they're defeated at the end was just

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so...

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And that's the point, isn't it?

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That's the point.

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And we'll get there because I think there are 2 light character

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arcs in this episode, which I think are both good and one of which

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is played for sort of sort of buddy comedy or sort of hangout

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comedy or something, you know.

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I remember Lance Parking, who is a writer of original Doctor Who

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novels, saying on Facebook that he feared that Strange New Worlds

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was going to turn out to be like knocking out like pastiches of

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TOS episodes.

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And the 1st 2 of the season that I watched felt very fresh and

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original.

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Yeah.

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This kind of lent towards what he was fearing, I thought.

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And I've got a feeling actually the rest of the season isn't

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really like this, that this is kind of doing its own thing.

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Yeah, I think there are two.

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I think there are 2 comedy episodes and I think that the Elysian

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Kingdom, which is on next week, is the next episode, is kind of

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traditional Star Trek in all sorts of ways.

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And one of the things sounds more wacky as hell.

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It's really, it's really something.

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The end of this episode, I think... got a hell of a twist at the

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end of the episode.

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It really does.

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Of all those things, Kurt, I didn't think they'd never go there

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you know?

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Well, so, I mean, we're going to tell the people it's Cybok. has

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an appearance.

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And in that sort of terrible film, you know, that terrible film

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masterpiece.

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It's not very good.

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But the great thing, I think, is that Kurtzman Drake doesn't shy

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away from nonsense.

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And so, for instance, a big part of the end of series 4 of

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discovery is the galactic barrier, which is established in the 2nd

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pilot where no man has gone before and never mentioned again

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because it's stupid.

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And they've said, nope, it's part of Star Trek law, it's part of

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Star Trek Canon.

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We want to emphasise how important it is that we're going to meet

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the 10C outside the galaxy.

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So the galactic barrier is there and we're just going to do it and

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they do it properly and they do it really well.

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And it'll be fun to see them do cybok well.

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Actually, I think Carsman Frank is acknowledging that it's all

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real.

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We've had those fabulous animated series creations turning up

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haven't we?

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The heads that bobble about and the arms and things.

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Do you know what I've heard recently?

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I've heard recently all talk of DS9 characters returning and Alex

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Kirkman actually saying Kurtzman, shall they say it?

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Kurtzman.

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Actually saying Cisco is a very important character.

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We're in discussions.

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Oh, still my heart.

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I'll tell you now.

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I'll watch those episodes the week they go out.

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Well, there's there is talk of a, and I think the trailer depicts

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it, the series 3 trailer, which is, I think the series starts

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later this month, has the crew of the Cerritos going to Deep Space

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Nine.

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And I think part of um, part of Mariner's backstory is that she

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served on Deep Space 9, I seem to remember.

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Oh, right, didn't you say there was a sequence where they say go

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go stately around the station taking a piss out of the tile

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sequence from series one?

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Yeah, go around like you're in awe of the pylons.

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It's just real.

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There's so many things you can take the piss out of India.

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They'll have an absolute ball.

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That's going to be fun.

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But, you know, I think for now we should probably watch the Serene

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School, you know.

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All right.

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Okay.

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So I'll get us started and count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Many, many trailers and things to go 1st though.

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The, yeah, the Star Trek badge that the Enterprise makes...

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's proper branding. our proper MCU, our STC.

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It literally is a stamp on this saying we love TOS, isn't it?

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And fair enough.

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You know, we do all this like a CBS studio production.

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Obviously, it feels like a movie, doesn't it?

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So this, I think, is sort of adorable.

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We're doing the previously on.

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And the things that we cover are pint cooks for people and there's

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a cute relationship.

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And there's a cute relationship between Christine and Spock, and

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of course, to Pring.

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Yeah, see, I, you know what?

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I wasn't sure watching this, whether anything had happened between

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Spock and Nurse Chapel before this.

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Yeah, no, it said they're friends.

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It's really nice and she gives him relationship advice and he kind

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of makes fun of her in, in, uh, there's a little joke at her

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expense in Spockamuck.

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It's nice.

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It's a good relationship.

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We haven't touched on it here, yeah. in Untied Star Trek Project

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but she does she pines after him in TOS, doesn't she?

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Nurse Chapel.

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Yeah, in a way that's a little bit pathetic and a little bit 60s

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you know, like she's should be doing that here, Nathan, I'm

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telling you.

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And so the relationship is...

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Yeah, well, we'll see what happens, but the relationship is much

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more proper friends.

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It's really terribly good.

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So, here's the pre... walking through. beautiful special effects.

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Oh, mate.

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Yeah, so Star Wars has the volume, which is that big cylinder

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thing full of high-definition screens that they drop backgrounds

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onto, so they're live in camera.

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This is a combination of CG, you know, postponing.

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A minute ago she was in a set.

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Now she's against a wall. isn't she?

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Because you can see there's no kind of depth behind her, but the

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detail is there.

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Yeah, and it looks amazing.

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But yeah, she's just had to... immune to it.

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I want to talk to you about human sex.

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Okay.

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And so she's been reading 3 books that are really sexy books, like

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Henry Miller's book that she mentions here was banned from import

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into America.

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It's written in the 30s, banned from import into America or the UK

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or Australia. for decades because it's full of really...

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Explicit descriptions of sex.

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And then Erica Erica Jong, who invents the zipless fuck, is the

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2nd book that she reads.

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What?

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And then the zipless vark.

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It's like having sex with someone with no sort of commitment or

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anything like that and where the zippers just come undone like

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nothing else.

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Are these books still available?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then the 3rd one is about a woman who has a relationship with

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a transgender artist, a man.

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And while she's in that relationship, she gets pregnant and all

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sorts of things.

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So it's really, really frank descriptions of sex, which makes box

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reactions so hilarious because he's really terrifying.

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That's not signalling what's sort of happening in this episode

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with the casting, is it?

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Well, I don't know, but it does Tupring does say that she finds

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the 3rd book, which was released in 2015.

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It's called the Argonauts.

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The fact that she finds most intriguing, the one, which does deal

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with issues of gender.

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So I think it probably is a bit of a hint at it.

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Mostly what it's doing is saying we are embracing all of this. as

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Star Trek should have done all along.

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Yeah.

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In fact, when Strangely Worlds came along, I wondered whether it

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would be Star Trek for horrible right wing people.

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You know, like it's like, well, you can have your transgender

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characters and your gay couples and stuff over there on Discovery

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and this is going to be the proper Star Trek that straight people

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like.

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Boy, were they disappointed?

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But you know what?

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I have heard, and I don't know if this is true or not, that Gene

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Roddenbury did not object to same-sex couples in Star Trek, and it

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was actually the studio, that there was a script that was posed

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about a same-sex couple and like it was dealing with an analogy to

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HIV.

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Right.

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But it just kept...

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No, not like stigma.

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That's terrible.

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That is not about HIV or gay people.

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But it just kept the studio kept saying, no, we're not going to

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make that.

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Yeah.

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And then Berman came along and wasn't interested.

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I think the conservatives were making Star Trek by that point.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So here's the introduction of our guest actor, and that's another

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Star Trek trope.

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I think this is the one of the 10 episodes that features a guest

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actor in such a big role.

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And this is Jesse James Hotel.

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We need to talk about this performance, you know, because I know

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you like it a lot.

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In fact, you love it a lot later on.

352
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Okay, I've just got one question for you about it though.

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Yeah, that is.

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Like, she's very, she's very sort of plain and very softly spoken

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until she's revealed to be evil pirate woman.

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And then, are we supposed to believe actually day to day?

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She's this mad vampi.

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I hope so.

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Pirate Queen.

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But I actually think I don't think she's very demure.

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I think she's really confident and a bit sexy and she, you know

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she's got the facial tattoo and all these piercings.

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She wears a midriff top.

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She comes out of her, her quarters towelling herself off after

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listening to doof, doof music and, you know, and she is funny.

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You watch this first.

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And you said that the transactor in this was the villain.

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So I kind of had it in the back of my head.

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But I'm sorry, when she started detailing that dreadful Star Trek

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backstory about, I don't know, the pirates come along and killing

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all of her family.

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I'm like, is anyone buying this?

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Really?

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Well, see, I did buy it.

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And so I actually quite like this character because look, there

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she is.

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Like she casts a glance across, she drinks her champagne.

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She's, she's very kind of, in fact, we should say they because

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although Jesse James Keitel uses she her pronouns.

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Um, Dr. Aspen, whom she has replaced, um, on this we should use

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this, they, their pronouns.

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Did we ever find out what happened to the real?

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Real doctor?

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There's some suggestion.

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She says that they might be wandering around on the asteroids.

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Oh, where she left.

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Oh, bless.

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I hope they remember that and go back.

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Oh, goodness.

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You know what?

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I got to say, I really like the subtle face makeup.

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You know, 90s trek should have done a bit more of this, you know

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instead of slapping latex on everybody's faces, just do something

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a little bit different because, well, and it does say pirate

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doesn't it?

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Like, it is a facial tattoo.

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And so when she's a pirate, you kind of go, oh, okay, facial, you

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drop a ball on this one if you didn't realise she was the

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villain.

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All right, until she was revealed.

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I didn't.

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Okay.

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Look, look at her there.

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The thing that I was enjoying more than anything else.

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I know.

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But that's what's great.

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That's what I thought was good because remember the thing about

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Strange New Worlds is that people don't have massive sticks up

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their ass, the way they do in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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This is a beautiful affection, isn't it?

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David, she's got a massive black collar.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was there, right?

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But the other thing was right.

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You've got this transgender actress on the show, and I didn't

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realise that, you know, there's a time when we're, you know, back

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in the 90s when you started seeing sort of regular gay characters

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on a bunch of TV shows, and except Star Trek, obviously. and I

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used to watch Melrose Place and there was Doug Savant's character

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whose name I can't remember and I couldn't possibly care less.

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You know the one I remember?

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The guy in Dawson's Creek.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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And they had to be the good guys.

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They couldn't be bad.

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And so I didn't know whether we were at the stage with transgender

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representation where we could just have our one major trans guest

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actor for the season and they could be evil.

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And I'm kind of excited that they could because she is fantastic

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when she turns evil.

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She's so funny and it's just such a superb scenery chewing

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performance.

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It's a lot of fun.

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And I think that's, for me, because, you know, you know I found

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this all a bit mundane.

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That's where the energy is. in that last 15 minutes where she's on

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the bridge and 0 my god she's loving every 2nd of it.

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She really is.

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It's great.

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And so because we've got, you know, gray and Adira on discovery

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and we do have proper positive transgender representation, we

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don't have to feel constrained to just make um, make our

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transgender guest star, um, a good person.

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And she's certainly pretending to be a good person here while

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still being really kind of cool and insightful.

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I really, I liked the character as she appeared, someone who

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looked like she was on Star Trek in order to help Spock, who is

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neither human nor Vulcan understand what that means and what the

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possibilities behind that are.

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I kind of want to talk about that as well because I feel like this

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whole Spock's conflict between human and Volkan.

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That's a bit old hat as well.

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Like we have done this to death.

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Yes, but that's the essence of Spock's character.

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And so if you're going to have a Star Trek now with Spock on it

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Spock is going to be about the conflict between human and Vulcan

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that's what the character is.

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Yeah, see?

460
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She's sweaty and kind of relaxed and a bit sexy look.

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She's got her midrift top.

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I like the fact that the extras walking past, no one can really do

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that acting very well, even in this new Cosman trek.

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Oh, do you know what?

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I love I love this lift so much.

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All the sound effects, just like 2OS?

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And, you know, I love it when they go into the infirmary or

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whatever it's called here, and you hear that, just little, just

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tiny little details like that that just take me back to TOS.

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Do you know what would have been a perfect opportunity to deal

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with a trans style storyline.

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And we have talked about this before and you said you...

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Never go down this room is when Jazia died in DS9, if they had...

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And it would have been interesting.

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They never would have done it, but it was basically ripe for that

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storyline to take place.

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Yeah.

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I kind of think sometimes those science fiction things like some

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people finding that the doctor becoming a woman after being a

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man.

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I guess what gets left out of that is the whole dysphoria thing

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you know, the, but like, who knows?

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People find representation where they can The worst of it is, we

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talked about this before is Dr. Bev in that, the host.

485
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Oh, yeah, which she just couldn't handle it, you know.

486
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Yeah, yeah.

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I had much more respect for it. should have gone, come on, let's

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go.

489
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Yeah, let's do it.

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Oh, my God.

491
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Gates would have been the hottest thing ever.

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She'd have been up for it for sure.

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Gates would have been after.

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Gorgeous.

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This one at the front there.

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I love her hair.

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Erica.

498
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Yeah, well, but she's also kind of properly chill and I think she

499
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sells it as a pilot too.

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And there was all that sort of talk here about, you know, comparing

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their travelling to being on a 1st date or a 3rd date or

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whatever.

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And it's cute.

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It's like, oh, he's looking into the scanner.

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I was just like, yeah, you're looking into the thing.

506
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.259
This reminded me.

507
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.480
This special effect reminded me of the Folian web, you know.

508
00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:04.680
Napoleon Webb.

509
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:05.880
That's where we're supposed to go.

510
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:09.000
So what is this they've been captured by the pirates here, have

511
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.240
they?

512
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.900
Yeah, so this is a pirate trap.

513
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.039
I can't remember whether any of this makes any sense, but they

514
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:18.299
called it the Serene School.

515
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.160
I was trying to think about that, and I'm not entirely sure

516
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:28.619
because the serene means calm, and a squall is like a small, like

517
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:30.240
a little storm, isn't it?

518
00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:31.559
Like, I'll be honest with you.

519
00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.279
I don't know.

520
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.819
I've rarely seen a calm, a bunch of pirates in this lot.

521
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.500
Not really.

522
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.480
Very rowdy, are they?

523
00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:44.700
Well, no, but there are some, I mean, they're supposed to not be a

524
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:45.000
threat.

525
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.480
What we missed earlier on is one of the character beats that I

526
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:50.819
mentioned earlier, I think there's 2 minor character things

527
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:51.359
happening here.

528
00:24:51.420 --> 00:25:00.660
One is that, uh, that Dr. Aspen says that, um, Pike is a is a Boy

529
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:03.720
Scout and he kind of goes, oh, no, no, no.

530
00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.599
And Una says, it's literally in your file.

531
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:11.400
And, and this gives him a chance to be a little bit sneakier and a

532
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.599
little bit less straightforward and a little bit manipulative and

533
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:16.920
to have some fun.

534
00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:20.940
So instead of being a good boy, he gets to be a bit sillier.

535
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.599
And that's kind of good, you know, like that's, and we did have a

536
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:29.160
similar plot with Una and Laan, who are super straight laced, in

537
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:35.160
an earlier episode, they decide to play, um, Enterprise bingo, and

538
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.160
they have a really fun, wonderful time.

539
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.539
It's a nice little character thing.

540
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.559
So it's a little bit like that.

541
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:43.920
You know, I think they can use that on for great comedy because in

542
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.819
that 1st episode when she said, right, I'm going to take out this

543
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:48.119
person.

544
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:49.799
And she just literally did it.

545
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:51.599
Oh, she was so funny.

546
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:54.420
With that 60s hair that she had.

547
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.180
Number one, didn't do much in this, did she?

548
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.099
Does she have a big role in this show?

549
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.980
She didn't do a lot in this. didn't do a lot in the pilot.

550
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.019
I don't remember her doing a lot in a second.

551
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.700
So there is an episode called Ghost of Elyria where she has the

552
00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:12.119
main kind of A plot is centred around her.

553
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:16.140
Um, and then there is that subplot with her in Laan.

554
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.720
And here she gets to accompany Chris through the episode.

555
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:19.680
Look at her.

556
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:23.579
Do you think that pirate spaceship there looks like a bug because

557
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.099
it looked like a little insect coming off you?

558
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah. like a termite or something.

559
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:32.160
But look at how confident and gorgeous she is.

560
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:36.839
Look, that lopsided smile, like she's playing someone who's an aid

561
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.279
worker and a former counsellor.

562
00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:41.099
You're expected to be very, very good.

563
00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:42.720
And she's...

564
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.420
She's got a...

565
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:46.079
Behind it.

566
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:46.980
I know, wonderful.

567
00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:49.140
Oh, I was never convinced.

568
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:56.940
No, I, because because if this had been 90s Star Trek, that person

569
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:58.740
would have been just irredeemably boring.

570
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.019
The way that Deanna is.

571
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.619
You know the way that Deanna is until they go, oh, fuck it, let's

572
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.579
just let her be Marina.

573
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.859
And I did actually watching this and I'm listening, the

574
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:08.579
psychology's here.

575
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.200
I was like, okay, this is quite nice.

576
00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:14.039
Like, it's not, there's no depth to it really, but it's all right

577
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:14.460
you know?

578
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.700
And she's she's kind of calm, but she's not using any dreary

579
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:18.539
psychobabble.

580
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:23.039
With the smile, her smile, that little crooked smile that she

581
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:23.579
does.

582
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.119
Like, I think it's a really properly good performance.

583
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.940
And she sells it to me, I think.

584
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:32.279
I think she needs to, I may have said this already, but she needs

585
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.420
to be the regular on this.

586
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.099
You know, the evil regular.

587
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:36.180
Every show needs one.

588
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.079
I hope that that's what they're going for because, of course, we

589
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.839
have that reveal at the end, which we've mentioned earlier, that

590
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:47.220
she is the wife of Psych. sake.

591
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.559
Well, get there.

592
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.960
I'm hoping that happens.

593
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:53.039
That'd be so great.

594
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.440
I mean, I think we've got energy chairs. so good.

595
00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:57.420
Yeah, the series has ended.

596
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:02.160
I thought that Cybok might be our big bad for the season finale

597
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:02.940
but he wasn't.

598
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.859
Was it good the finale?

599
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:10.980
I had some reservations about the casting, but I thought it was

600
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.779
generally a good episode.

601
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.400
There was one big, big casting problem in it, I thought.

602
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:20.759
Oh, God, I thought she was talking about the therapy then.

603
00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:22.859
She said, I wouldn't waste any time analysing it.

604
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.259
She was talking about, she was talking about the Supreme School.

605
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:27.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

606
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:32.160
Well, so she's just given that speech about saying, you know

607
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.240
you're not a human, you're not a Vulcan, um, you don't have to see

608
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.759
yourself as one thing or another, you can be another thing.

609
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:43.920
And obviously, maybe that even sort of is...

610
00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:45.119
It has a triple meeting.

611
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:45.660
Yeah.

612
00:28:46.019 --> 00:28:50.759
But so do you think that Captain Pike's hair is a character all on

613
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:51.000
his own?

614
00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:55.920
Look, I think it's getting silly.

615
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:58.200
And there are...

616
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:02.460
Like you've seen how long Mike can get, but I've cut it shorter at

617
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:03.059
this point, yeah.

618
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:05.700
No, I think it's getting silly.

619
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.640
I think the thing about Anson Mount.

620
00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.519
And of course, remember we had him as the captain of Discovery for

621
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:12.299
an entire year.

622
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.400
So we do know him already and he, um...

623
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.019
His space dad, isn't he?

624
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.400
He's your space dad?

625
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:24.900
Like, I think he's probably younger than me.

626
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.000
He's got to be a butt-based dad.

627
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.259
He's so hot.

628
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.400
I mean, he's a very, very handsome and sexy man and he's very

629
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.900
relaxed, but he is...

630
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:39.240
He's got a sort of cool at ease, charisma, doesn't he?

631
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:41.220
Where he's the coolest person in the room.

632
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.960
Look, he's even managing to pull this crappy...

633
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.920
I think this is where it goes a bit off the rows now when we go to

634
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.259
the pirate ship and they start talking about cooking.

635
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:54.660
And I was like, what is going on here?

636
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.680
What is going on?

637
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.160
Yeah.

638
00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:59.640
So so here he solves the problem through cooking.

639
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:01.079
And look at that.

640
00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:02.039
I think that looks so great.

641
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:04.859
That is just a factory somewhere, isn't it?

642
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.319
Yeah, yeah, a bit like my shops wear out.

643
00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:10.740
They've put a space roof in over on the right hand side of the

644
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.720
shot and there's water and stuff.

645
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:13.980
Like it feels like a real place.

646
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.619
Is it like one of those old Mac paintings, you know?

647
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.119
He's track.

648
00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:21.180
It's like a real big place.

649
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.579
Let me try and explain, though, why I, this kind of subplot didn't

650
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:27.059
work for me.

651
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.059
I thought that they were going to come here and yeah, fine, they

652
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:32.160
get catching by the pirates and then I thought it was going to be

653
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.940
like TOS where everybody sort of contribute something and there's

654
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:39.420
going to be a big fun set piece and none of that really happened.

655
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:46.559
No, so all that it is, is because this is about Pike not being

656
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:53.039
just, you know, by the books, Boy Scout, you know, completely not

657
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:53.819
streetwise.

658
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.279
Like he actually manages to undermine them.

659
00:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.359
And there's so little of a threat, which, look at, look at Nurse

660
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:01.440
Chapel in the Jeffreys tube.

661
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.799
All of this running around on a ship and them shooting.

662
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.960
I was getting Voyager vibes from this, you know.

663
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:08.099
Yeah, yeah.

664
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:13.500
Yeah, but again, see, I don't think you can object to the episode

665
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:17.460
on the grounds that it's been done before, because that's what

666
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:18.539
he's doing.

667
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:20.819
This series is doing that, you know?

668
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:22.319
Yeah, absolutely.

669
00:31:22.380 --> 00:31:24.000
And so do it really well.

670
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:26.880
And I think that stuff with Nurse Chapel and the and the

671
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.400
injections and stuff is really great.

672
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:30.119
She's fabulous.

673
00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:35.039
Basically, what happens in that simple is he cooks some food.

674
00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:37.200
They're much more impressive with his food.

675
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.759
So that sort of subdues them all.

676
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:40.859
And then they turn up at the end on the ship.

677
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:43.920
No, so they're they're here.

678
00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:50.579
So, no, no, no, but then what happens is that Remy wants to sell

679
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:58.200
the enterprise and its crew to the Klingons and Pike tries to sow

680
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.859
some kind of discord among the crew saying that dealing with the

681
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.359
Klingons is a bad idea.

682
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:07.079
If you steal the Federation flagship, the Federation will be after

683
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:07.740
you as well.

684
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.680
You know, Remy's useless.

685
00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:14.400
And then we just allied the whole thing so that we get that

686
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.480
ridiculous comedy set piece at the end where they're, you know

687
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.819
he's got the big wheel of the pirate.

688
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.420
No, no.

689
00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:24.779
That was a very fun visual where they were absolutely leaning into

690
00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:25.500
the genre.

691
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:25.859
Yes.

692
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:26.579
Yeah, yeah.

693
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:27.839
Where they're just being silly.

694
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.180
And so this is not a plot that matters.

695
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.500
There's no real threat here.

696
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.900
It's just having fun, I think.

697
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:37.799
I just thought I just thought it would be more fun.

698
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.059
It would have more energy.

699
00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.160
I don't know.

700
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:45.180
Like, we've seen episodes of TOS where, you know, they're all

701
00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:48.599
pretending, they're all acting in a strange way to knock out

702
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.200
guards, and it's all a bit camping a bit silly, and this just felt

703
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.519
a bit flat.

704
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.880
Yeah, I I mean, I enjoyed it.

705
00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:58.440
And I did enjoy...

706
00:32:58.500 --> 00:32:59.819
I'm enjoying this too.

707
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:03.660
The Pirates Invade the Spaceship, which is something that we've

708
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:03.960
had.

709
00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:05.339
Oh, look, she's looking scared.

710
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.119
She's looking scared.

711
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:09.599
I mean, I love the part that they've taken over and she's still

712
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:10.200
playing the part.

713
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:11.759
She waits until...

714
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.059
Yeah, she's got herself... moment to reveal her evilness.

715
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:17.460
Which is great.

716
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:18.480
Oh, look at that.

717
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:21.180
Yeah, look at number one, giving him the look.

718
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:23.700
You guys keep hiding.

719
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:30.599
Oh, look, I've said it before, but I do adore these sets, you

720
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:30.839
know.

721
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:33.180
Yeah, they're beautiful, aren't they?

722
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.440
They just stunning.

723
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:35.519
And I've got to be honest.

724
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:39.180
This fella, the Orion guy with a beard, who looks very like the

725
00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.619
troll.

726
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:42.000
The troll out of Buffy.

727
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.660
He is kind of fun, but yeah, yeah.

728
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.059
I don't even really think that goes anywhere.

729
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:48.660
I don't know.

730
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.619
I feel like I'm pooping on this But I don't think I don't think

731
00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:53.640
this needs to go anywhere.

732
00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:56.460
It is just the B plot and they're just kind of going, all right, B

733
00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:57.000
plot it.

734
00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.900
Let's have some funny things and let's have Pike solve it, not

735
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:04.500
even Starfleet way, but in a kind of fun, silly way.

736
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.799
And, you know, the pirates are never a threat, really.

737
00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:10.440
They are a threat on the enterprise, I guess, but here they're

738
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:10.860
just silly.

739
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.599
But it's like I said to you before.

740
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:15.780
And I know you say like, you know, something being fun for its own

741
00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:18.599
right is a good enough reason for it to exist.

742
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:23.219
I think I've just come to expect a bit more from Kuzman Trek, is

743
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:23.519
all.

744
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.699
But maybe I hold it to a higher standard than I thought.

745
00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:30.599
Well, I was thinking this morning about the last episode of

746
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.460
Discovery that we did, which was but to connect, you know, the

747
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:37.920
series 4 mid-season finale.

748
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:40.139
And that had...

749
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:40.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

750
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:41.639
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:42.179
Yeah.

752
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.679
And, you know, like I, I do think that what is going to happen is

753
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.079
that Discovery will be off over here doing new interesting things

754
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.300
taking Star Trek, you know, telling stories on a bigger scale, um

755
00:34:57.300 --> 00:35:02.039
and, you know, occasionally being funny, but leaving just this to

756
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.500
be fun and episodic.

757
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.260
And that doesn't mean that it's been throw away.

758
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.980
I think that's a legitimate approach to have the 2 shows doing

759
00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:11.460
those things.

760
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:17.099
But like the 2nd episode, the Ahura episode, was quintessential

761
00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:20.280
Star Trek, but I felt like I was seeing something completely new

762
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:26.340
the way they were communicating and her singing and it felt really

763
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:26.880
really fresh.

764
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:28.440
This didn't.

765
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:30.000
And that's okay.

766
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:31.260
That's okay.

767
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:34.500
Yeah, this has the ship gets taken over.

769
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.320
You know, special guest star turns out being evil.

770
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:40.500
Hairy pirates who don't post much a threat.

771
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:45.719
But, I mean, this is so confidently done.

772
00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:46.679
And look at her.

773
00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.519
She's so great.

774
00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:48.780
No, I'm going to...

775
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:49.619
I think she's my favourite.

776
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.760
No, Chapel.

777
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:51.960
She's really good.

778
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:52.860
She's very likeable.

779
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.719
She's Australian and she did Home and Away.

780
00:35:57.780 --> 00:36:00.119
Well, Australians are very likeable, Nathan.

781
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:02.099
Yeah, well, that's it.

782
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.880
Some of it.

783
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.639
They're very, I find a very opinion, you know.

784
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:09.420
But she's wonderfully in this.

785
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:10.920
She's so good, isn't she?

786
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:12.239
And she looks properly scared.

787
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.980
And she, you know what?

788
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:15.059
She'll accept that.

789
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.760
Massive confidence, but she plays naive really well.

790
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:18.840
Yeah, yeah.

791
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.179
Do you remember in the 1st episode when she was running through

792
00:36:21.179 --> 00:36:23.280
the corridors going, I really wanted to do this.

793
00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

794
00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.780
And this like she's so good.

795
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:28.739
She decided.

796
00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:30.059
Oh, she does the...

797
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:31.800
She just died for a gun.

798
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:34.380
He is...

799
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.480
Oh, a nurse champ.

800
00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:37.860
No, but you know what?

801
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.440
It does make, it's a shame because Major Barrett couldn't have

802
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.940
done any of this stuff in the original series.

803
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.280
No, she wouldn't have been able to.

804
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.860
She just moons and passes McCoy.

805
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:47.639
So you know what this is?

806
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:47.940
This is?

807
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.980
Remember we watched Bada bing, Bada bang?

808
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.599
and Cassie Yates says.

809
00:36:51.659 --> 00:36:53.039
This is how things should have been.

810
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:56.400
You have a chance to do that, isn't there?

811
00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:59.880
Like, he's just like, give me more food.

812
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:04.139
He's feeding that weird green...

813
00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:06.840
I actually really like this too.

814
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:09.360
Like this set doesn't look expensive or anything, but it's just

815
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:09.900
the look.

816
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.000
It's not a 90s Star Trek look.

817
00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:13.739
It's a different kind of.

818
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.960
Do any of these aliens rank on the Beaumont scale?

819
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:19.380
Well, no, they don't, because they haven't gone for like extra

820
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:24.960
nostrils or anything like... on their face.

821
00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:26.280
They actually look good.

822
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:31.019
It's kind of a Star Wars vibe, I think, to the these new aliens in

823
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:32.099
Star Trek these days.

824
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.400
And I'm super glad to see the Orions back because I'm just saying

825
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.000
something green.

826
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.760
They're really leaning into the Orions in Curtsman Trek, aren't

827
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:38.940
they?

828
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.420
Yeah, yeah.

829
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.559
Yeah, well, that villain wasn't arrived, wasn't she?

830
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:44.219
Discovery?

831
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.860
Yeah, a Cyrus. in Discovery season three.

832
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:47.519
Yeah, yeah.

833
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:47.880
Yeah.

834
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:53.400
And it's that thing where next Jen is embarrassed by them because

835
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.760
they're just green people and they think that's pulpy 60s.

836
00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:59.699
Have you seen someone's eyes and those aliens on next generation?

837
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:00.179
Right.

838
00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:01.019
I know.

839
00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:02.940
And they're embarrassed by someone who's green.

840
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.199
Exactly.

841
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:07.920
And in fact, the green thing works just terrifically well, which

842
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:11.159
is why, I mean, we've got a regular character, a regular O'Brien

843
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.260
character on lower decks, don't we, Intendis?

844
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.119
His hair sort of fallen over his face now.

845
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:17.099
So it looks a bit more reasonable, doesn't he?

846
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.400
Well, he's still got that shaved side of the head thing.

847
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:22.739
He does, he just looks like a bikey, doesn't he?

848
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.239
It's pretty great.

849
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.920
He's cute.

850
00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:26.760
He's in command.

851
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:27.300
He can cook.

852
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.059
I mean, ticks ticks all that you were talking about.

853
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.099
I thought you were talking about...

854
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.800
Jesus Christ.

855
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:35.880
No, that's it.

856
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:39.719
So the hair comes down, you know, and he starts, uh, he starts

857
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.039
being shifty and uh, sowing discord and not being the Boy Scout

858
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.420
that he was in the 1st scene.

859
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.880
Do you know what it is about these pirates, right?

860
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:49.440
Is you can win with me either way?

861
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.079
Because if they were all sitting around going, oh, I'll be going

862
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:52.980
oh, how cliche.

863
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.199
And because they were all sitting around being a bit quiet, I'm

864
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:56.039
like, well, how dull.

865
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.119
So you can't win with me.

866
00:38:57.179 --> 00:39:00.719
No, it's it's also that thing where they're food obsessed.

867
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:02.159
Like it's such a trivial thing.

868
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:05.400
It's just like they need a decent meal because their captain does

869
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.840
all the cooking and his shit at it.

870
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.880
Even when she was moving her shoulder then, after taking the thing

871
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.019
I'm like, you're evil.

872
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:16.679
See, I just thought she was sexy and relaxed.

873
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:18.300
That's how I was reading it.

874
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.820
That's why I liked this. you need to look at the people around you

875
00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:21.179
you know.

876
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.239
That could be some real evil people. should be.

877
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:28.079
Oh, when does she finally reveal herself?

878
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:28.559
Is it now?

879
00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:33.239
Oh, no, it's when they go down to the, to engineering.

880
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.460
Oh, no, this was another big clue.

881
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:37.500
She's basically saying abandoned the ship.

882
00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:40.440
And I was like, okay, she's definitely living.

883
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:40.679
Yeah.

884
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:46.380
So that's actually another good thing that they do because the

885
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:48.960
pirates want to sell the enterprise crew.

886
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.280
And because...

887
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.079
I'm so sorry, comedy episode.

888
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.000
I'm going to have to go track it just for one second.

889
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:56.940
She's telling that abysmal story right now.

890
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.280
The squaw invaded the...

891
00:39:59.280 --> 00:39:59.820
He fought back.

892
00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:00.659
He lost.

893
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:01.679
He lost.

894
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:03.360
It's why I left Starfleet.

895
00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.179
This is like those dreadful stories we were hearing in the

896
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:06.480
wounded.

897
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:09.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

898
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:10.739
That was nice.

899
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:13.199
Oh, I can't remember his name.

900
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:14.460
Oh, Maxwell, Captain Maxwell.

901
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.360
Stumpy.

902
00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:16.019
Something like that.

903
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:16.739
Stompy.

904
00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:17.760
Jesus Christ.

905
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.800
But in retrospect, this isn't all a lie because all of the things

906
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.639
that she says about her Vulcan husband are true of Cybok, he skips

907
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:27.599
his colonar.

908
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:30.480
He, you know, all of that kind of thing.

909
00:40:30.539 --> 00:40:31.860
We didn't, yeah, Colin.

910
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:35.159
You're telling me that fella from Star Trek five managed to bag

911
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:36.239
this hot babe.

912
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.579
Yeah, well, maybe.

913
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.119
Well, you know, like maybe they'll have a hotter version of Cybot

914
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.480
because it's 2020 something. him again before the season's out

915
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.099
because we only see the back of his head in this.

916
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.019
Yeah, that's all we've seen.

917
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.900
Oh, they're probably...

918
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:52.920
Getting us interested.

919
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.539
Yeah.

920
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:59.820
Oh, see, but she's doing well.

921
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.559
She's selling me.

922
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:02.880
I don't use guns thing.

923
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:03.900
I'm a good girl.

924
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.099
Do you know what?

925
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.519
I think it would have been so immeasurably if she'd have turned

926
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.420
evil a bit earlier.

927
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.380
Yeah, well, she's fabulous when she turned...

928
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.719
And every arm movement.

929
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.420
Honestly, it's all...

930
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.500
Why are these people all here?

931
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.119
Like, it makes no sense at all.

932
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:22.199
Like, Una's there.

933
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.059
Why is Ortega there?

934
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.340
Like, and why is slap on there?

935
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.500
They've got to get them all off the shit because they're pretty

936
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:28.800
useful.

937
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:31.380
They might be able to like, you know, take the pirates down.

938
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:37.019
But it is a bit like...

939
00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:40.559
Every other 90s trek episode where half, you know, half the senior

940
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.400
staff are down on the away show. because we don't care.

941
00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:49.079
Honestly, this is such a hot cast.

942
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:51.179
I know, I know.

943
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:56.460
So, do we think that this, this, um, the Alpha Braga 3 thing, the

944
00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:57.900
Alpha Braga 4 thing.

945
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.780
Is that named after Brannan Bragan?

946
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:01.380
Possibly.

947
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.019
Yeah, he's right in the Orville now.

948
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.420
Yeah, I know, I know.

949
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.519
Actually, that's had some pretty good reviews now.

950
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.300
I wanna check that out.

951
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.039
Yeah, I keep meaning to see series 3, but I...

952
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.420
You have from Star Trek to watch.

953
00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:15.840
I know.

954
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:18.300
Yeah, I have proper Star Trek to watch with reflective surfaces.

955
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.960
Speaking of which, look at the floor of engineering and look at

956
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:22.440
that set.

957
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.179
Holy crap, it's amazing.

958
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.519
No difference to me whatsoever.

959
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:27.119
I'm sorry.

960
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.360
No, that's what you want.

961
00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:33.239
You want astonishingly great visuals.

962
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:35.039
That's why we have Star Trek.

963
00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.480
And that looks amazing.

964
00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:38.400
I've got 3 words for you, all right?

965
00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:40.800
All the excuse you need to watch series 3 of the Orville.

966
00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:42.059
Penny Johnson Gerald.

967
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:43.980
Yeah, she is pretty great.

968
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:44.579
She is amazing.

969
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:45.119
She's pretty great.

970
00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:46.199
Look at this.

971
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:46.920
It is delicious.

972
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:48.480
In fact that's that wall again, isn't it?

973
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:51.420
You can kind of, I, he's an, I don't know.

974
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.900
Certainly there's actual, yeah, maybe. no bloody way they've got a

975
00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:56.400
set that big, I'm telling you.

976
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.239
No, that big.

977
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.119
I think I might be able to see whether it is impressive.

978
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:03.300
Well, heaps of those tube things are actually practical, and I

979
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:06.179
think it's possible in the long shot to tell where the last

980
00:43:06.179 --> 00:43:10.019
practical one is, and the one on the wall is, but I could be wrong

981
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:11.519
right in Tweet us, if we're wrong.

982
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:12.900
But you know, it looks incredible.

983
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.519
None of it's real, for goodness sakes.

984
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:15.420
We just go with it.

985
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:16.019
Don't we?

986
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.079
Yeah, yeah, but it just looks astonishing.

987
00:43:19.139 --> 00:43:19.920
It's beautiful.

988
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:20.460
There we go.

989
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:21.719
Oh, yeah.

990
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:22.380
There we go.

991
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.300
She's got 2 guns.

992
00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:25.260
Not just one.

993
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:26.280
Oh, no.

994
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.119
Captain Angel.

995
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:28.440
I am a pirate.

996
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.519
You're a dumbass.

997
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:34.679
At this point, at this point, I was going, so is the enterprise.

998
00:43:34.739 --> 00:43:37.320
No, I was watching this at 5 in the morning.

999
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:40.019
Mark was asleep when I was going, you fucking idiots.

1000
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:41.760
When she pulled out the gums.

1001
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.099
He's like, you all right?

1002
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.500
No, it's just going trick.

1003
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.719
Oh, look, did you see that hallway blown in the wall there?

1004
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:50.460
Look, it's just a little black scar.

1005
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.699
Oh, here she goes.

1006
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:54.960
Oh, you're so cute too.

1007
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:59.519
And the thing about feelings, too, where he says feelings are my

1008
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.159
concern, and it's kind of like I've been playing you for the

1009
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:02.940
entire episode.

1010
00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:05.460
She's got in his head.

1011
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.179
So now she basically takes the piss out of everything she's

1012
00:44:09.179 --> 00:44:11.280
learned about him, which is wonderful.

1013
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.300
And you know, like she threatens to kill him and all sorts of

1014
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:18.659
stuff like that, but I think that there is a thing like, but

1015
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:21.000
frankly, that's on you.

1016
00:44:21.059 --> 00:44:22.139
Yeah, you believe in it.

1017
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:22.679
That's on you.

1018
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:24.840
I was like, you said it, sweetheart.

1019
00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:26.460
All right.

1020
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:27.539
Let's see.

1021
00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:28.980
This is going to be chair.

1022
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.699
I feel like this actress has been waiting to get in that chair her

1023
00:44:32.699 --> 00:44:33.119
entire life.

1024
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.059
She's so good, isn't she?

1025
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:36.780
This is fun.

1026
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:46.500
So she's on the new queer as folk, and she is part of a lesbian

1027
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:51.059
couple who have a child on the 1st night of the of the show on the

1028
00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:51.900
1st episode.

1029
00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:55.980
And, um, which has been a thing that's happened now in all 3

1030
00:44:55.980 --> 00:45:00.599
iterations of, of, um, of Queer as Fogue.

1031
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.739
And I didn't much rate queer as folk.

1032
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.099
I've only seen the 1st episode of the new version, but she was

1033
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:09.480
clearly the best thing in it.

1034
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.820
Like, yeah, yeah.

1035
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.460
Now this is Stone.

1036
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.780
So this Vulcan, this weird looking Vulcanist Stone.

1037
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.980
And so in a, is it in a mock time where the relationship between

1038
00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:29.280
um, to bring and, yeah, yeah, yeah. ends and she goes off with

1039
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:29.880
Stone.

1040
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.300
And it's interesting to remind us of that.

1041
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:33.900
Yeah.

1042
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:34.920
So that's that character.

1043
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:39.300
So it's interesting to remind us of that here because this

1044
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:40.920
relationship is doomed.

1045
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:42.900
We already know that it doesn't go anywhere.

1046
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.739
Sorry, I'm so sorry.

1047
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:47.460
She went.

1048
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.659
I have a captive here.

1049
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:49.500
It's Spuck.

1050
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:50.099
Do you know him?

1051
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.179
Oh, she's great.

1052
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.820
Oh, I'm enjoying this more watching it with you, do you know?

1053
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:01.980
So the obvious thing is, if we're 2 days away from being able even

1054
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:06.900
to get a message to Starfleet, how come Tapring just rocks up at

1055
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:10.739
the very end when we need her to for this hilarious comedy A

1056
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:11.280
plot?

1057
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:12.780
It just...

1058
00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.019
Like, you know, it's Star Trek, who cares?

1059
00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:21.480
I did like is then if Chappel and Spock have not had any history

1060
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.639
they're just close friends, where there's a bit of a will, they

1061
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:24.239
won't they?

1062
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.599
The fact then that they have to kiss and put on this massive

1063
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.320
charade.

1064
00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:33.000
And then he, you know, he's, he genuinely probably feels something

1065
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.579
like we can tell that for Chapel.

1066
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.039
And then there's that scene between Pring and Spock at the end

1067
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.000
where she's like, oh, you were just, you know, acting. and he's

1068
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.360
like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. he just rushes off to jump on her

1069
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.139
immediately.

1070
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.619
Like they do go and have a, you know, like they have sex almost

1071
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:52.440
immediately and she put some of what she learnt from reading the

1072
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.519
Argonauts into practice, I hope. amazing ability to both look

1073
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.519
completely disinterested and loving every 2nd of this.

1074
00:46:59.579 --> 00:47:02.400
It's extraordinary.

1075
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.800
Seriously?

1076
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.199
Fabulous, flouncy overacting and like putting her fingertips to a

1077
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:11.940
chest and all of them.

1078
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.960
Oh, and now she's too sad about the she's colonist.

1079
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.739
You believe that.

1080
00:47:16.860 --> 00:47:19.019
You believe that shitty story I told you.

1081
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.300
I mean come on.

1082
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.039
This could be a joke in lower decks.

1083
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:25.800
It's so good. isn't it?

1084
00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:30.239
And that's, like, I think that, you know, we've had villains.

1085
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.760
Star Trek doesn't normally do villains all that often.

1086
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:37.019
The films do, and we had a sire last year, but I think she's an

1087
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:40.860
absolutely magnificent Star Trek felon, and I'm dying to see her

1088
00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:41.039
back.

1089
00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:44.820
Oh, man, I'm desperate to not say it, but I'm gonna say it.

1090
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.139
You know what?

1091
00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:47.340
series did grey villains, right?

1092
00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:50.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1093
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:52.079
No, Deep Space 9 has...

1094
00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:54.900
Yeah, that's right. has characters who are regular villains.

1095
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.699
Yeah, that's true.

1096
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:57.780
And do you know why?

1097
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.119
Because we're also fucking over the top like she is.

1098
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah, yeah.

1099
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:02.400
Yeah.

1100
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:05.099
Yeah, well, maybe not the female shapeshifter.

1101
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.500
Have you remember that line when she tells them to execute all the

1102
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.159
Kardassians?

1103
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:15.719
sterilise the Cardassians or something. eliminate them.

1104
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.019
And it's so ridiculous.

1105
00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:25.260
It's kind of like, so they have to kiss in order to get out of it

1106
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.179
and that's it. you know.

1107
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:28.739
Mate, you know what?

1108
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:29.639
Actually, you know what?

1109
00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:32.820
Maybe that's it, is that those scenes on the Enterprise are so fun

1110
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:36.000
that the contrast with the...

1111
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.500
It's a bit like comparison.

1112
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.320
Yeah. pirates, they're so dull.

1113
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:41.400
Honestly.

1114
00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:42.360
Yeah, yeah.

1115
00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:46.800
The most exciting pirate in this, apart from, you know, the lead

1116
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.760
villain, is Pike at the end when he's going... you know, on the

1117
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:51.179
bridge.

1118
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:58.139
I love that because that's a classic space dad moment.

1119
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.500
Like he is absolutely being your dad.

1120
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.320
And so, and then...

1121
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:05.820
She just goes, shut up.

1122
00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:06.300
Oh, sorry.

1123
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:10.079
Because she's laughing because she's laughing at what a dickhead

1124
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.739
he's being and just like, no, please stop it.

1125
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.000
You know, please stop.

1126
00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:16.860
And it's a delightful.

1127
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.659
It's such a nice character moment.

1128
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.099
Is she the one that was sleeping with him?

1129
00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.800
No, no, no, no.

1130
00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:27.000
Una is the one he rescues. who's gone missing on the planet.

1131
00:49:27.059 --> 00:49:30.599
There is a sort of like husband wife vibe about them.

1132
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.320
Because she's like the wife going, oh, shut up, Pike.

1133
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.059
Yeah, that's right.

1134
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:36.659
That's it.

1135
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:38.579
Maybe they're our space mum and dad.

1136
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.539
The woman who he is sleeping with in that 1st episode does come

1137
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:44.039
back to appear later.

1138
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:45.059
Did you say that pirate there?

1139
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.659
She must have been excited.

1140
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.380
She got a whole line.

1141
00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:47.340
Your gruel.

1142
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.579
This is my moment on TV.

1143
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.219
Oh no, here we go.

1144
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.420
Back to what's her name?

1145
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.099
Yeah, back to, to preing it.

1146
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.239
No, no, not Dupree.

1147
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.860
The villain. her name?

1148
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:03.659
Oh, Angel. wow She was Dr. Aspen, but now she's angel.

1149
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.139
She's got to come back, isn't she?

1150
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:11.820
Oh, yeah, well, she is going to be with Cyborg.

1151
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.739
Like, and I can't see a world where she's not more interesting

1152
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:18.300
than Cybok.

1153
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.920
I was just about to say the same day.

1154
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:21.420
I can't imagine...

1155
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:22.679
It's going to be as fun as she is.

1156
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:24.239
No, look.

1157
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:25.860
Oh, my word.

1158
00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:27.059
She just shot Spulk.

1159
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1160
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.659
You have 10 minutes to hand over.

1161
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.380
Zavarius.

1162
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.940
Zaverius is such a shitty original trek name.

1163
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.800
And didn't you see the camera was in on that then?

1164
00:50:37.860 --> 00:50:39.539
It zoomed straight in on a...

1165
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:44.639
Yeah, I feel like with her character, they know exactly what

1166
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:45.900
they're doing, you know?

1167
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:46.860
Yeah, yeah.

1168
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:47.820
Yeah.

1169
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:50.340
I mean, no wonder she's having fun.

1170
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.920
She's got to rang about with this dull bunch all the time.

1171
00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:55.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:57.420
No, she's got Spark. really attractive.

1173
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.659
Do we find out what's a serene manipulator?

1174
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.320
away from this?

1175
00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:03.780
Are they just going around capturing ships?

1176
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.079
Yeah, well, the colonists are all made up.

1177
00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:10.260
Conveniently, the colonists are all made up so that we don't have

1178
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:12.539
to worry about them or do anything about them at the end of the

1179
00:51:12.539 --> 00:51:12.840
episode.

1180
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:13.500
They're not real.

1181
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.400
She was just lying about them. which is a sort of tidy way of

1182
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.579
meaning that we could just get on with our lives once this is all

1183
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:20.820
over.

1184
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.019
Well, Nathan, they do this a lot in Shrek, you know, try and make

1185
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:27.539
us care about a whole colony going under.

1186
00:51:28.260 --> 00:51:31.500
Your general response is this. we don't know those people.

1187
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.519
So never mind.

1188
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:33.420
Look at her.

1189
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:37.380
When when Sheppel says, no, we're having an affair, an age of kind

1190
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:40.019
of goes, oh, come on, you've got to be kidding.

1191
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:46.139
That's the most bullshit thing I've ever heard. so great.

1192
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.239
And I also think what's great too is he says in advance, I

1193
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.940
apologise for any liberties that I take, because we can't have

1194
00:51:53.940 --> 00:51:57.659
Spock just grabbing Chapel and kissing her, but she realises what

1195
00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:01.079
he's doing before he says it and so she's the one who comes out

1196
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.179
and does her name. see how she's shutting her eyes there.

1197
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.480
She's loving it every moment of this.

1198
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:08.460
When she was on home and away.

1199
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:11.159
Do you think that she ever imagined that one day she'd be kissing

1200
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:12.719
Mr. Spock on television?

1201
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:13.920
It's onto a mansion.

1202
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:14.699
Oh, Spock at that.

1203
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.179
I can just see those TRS badge, you know?

1204
00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:19.380
Oh my god, look at them both.

1205
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.559
You know those TRS fans have come to this because they...

1206
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.639
What about that reaction?

1207
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:25.139
Oh, you guys are fun.

1208
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.980
They want this to be like the original series.

1209
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.260
I could just see them crying going, what is this?

1210
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:32.159
You know?

1211
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.659
But I mean, this is kind of like the original series

1212
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:37.440
preposterous.

1213
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:40.380
This whole charade of air in your dirty laundry.

1214
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.579
Do you remember when Cesca turned up and went, hello, Chicone.

1215
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.619
By the way, I'm having your baby.

1216
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.519
These moments on the bridge where it's all revealed is wonderful.

1217
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:51.179
Yeah.

1218
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:53.639
Cesca was a great villain.

1219
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.579
We said Star Trek didn't do villains, but Cesca was magnificent.

1220
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:58.559
What a boring way to break up.

1221
00:52:58.619 --> 00:53:01.920
Look, holding up your fingers and saying, oh, our link is broken.

1222
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:08.579
But it is, you know, there's there's an episode of Lower Decks

1223
00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:12.659
called Wedge Dudge, which is Klingon for 3 ships, and one of the

1224
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:17.159
ships is a Vulcan ship, and they do that thing where the Vulcans

1225
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.440
are just kind of...

1226
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.539
What they're ridiculous. pirate all about.

1227
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:22.079
Look at it.

1228
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.099
Hey, with a dreadlock.

1229
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:24.000
Go wash your face.

1230
00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:25.079
Go and watch your face.

1231
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.539
Oh my good god.

1232
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:29.639
What a strange buzz.

1233
00:53:29.699 --> 00:53:31.860
And look, do you see the man at the door with the octopus face

1234
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:32.940
holding the gun?

1235
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:33.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1236
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.780
That's pretty good That's a set of star tag bunch.

1237
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.079
I don't know where there's pike with his...

1238
00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:45.719
But he's kind of taken over.

1239
00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:47.219
He's taken over pirate ship.

1240
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:49.139
He's absolutely not a Boy Scout.

1241
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.579
And like they're on the bridge, but they're being attacked from

1242
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:54.900
outside.

1243
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.320
So we're not going to see that yet because we've got to persuade

1244
00:53:58.320 --> 00:53:59.460
the pirates off the sheer.

1245
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.480
He's utterly channelling Lee triple E John from Doctor Who.

1246
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:06.900
The way he's holding that wheel, like very over the top.

1247
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.880
I'm a pirate, you know?

1248
00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:12.780
Just gently hit the impulse engines, Erica.

1249
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.059
Why is it in these science fiction shows?

1250
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.400
Only the pirate ships have the old-fashioned ship wheels.

1251
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.719
Well, because that's cool, they're pirates, you know, and you've

1252
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.280
got to sell that they're pirates.

1253
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:24.780
So that's how you do it.

1254
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:25.559
It's awesome.

1255
00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:28.320
That man's tardy, his br looks back between those 2 things.

1256
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:32.639
It was clearly annoying. more important things going on right

1257
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:32.880
now.

1258
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.940
Oh, dear, dear.

1259
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.800
Yeah, see, I believe her, I think she did enjoy meeting Mr. Spock

1260
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.139
and then we get the Zavarius reveal.

1261
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:44.880
We work out who Zveri is.

1262
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:45.719
Why is she giving up?

1263
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:46.320
don't understand.

1264
00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:51.239
Well, because, well, because they've taken over the pirate ship.

1265
00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:53.400
Is that more powerful than the price?

1266
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:55.500
on the Enterprise.

1267
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.239
Well, yeah, but like whatever.

1268
00:54:57.300 --> 00:55:01.139
But, yeah, it's a thing.

1269
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:01.679
Yeah.

1270
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:06.300
It's time for the episode to end. won't be the. the last time that

1271
00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:08.280
Star Trek has a shit resolution, is it?

1272
00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:09.179
That don't make any sense.

1273
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:14.400
But it gives us a bit of time to sort of, it doesn't just sort of

1274
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:15.420
resolve and then go.

1275
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.480
I noticed that she abandons all of the other pirates on the

1276
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.760
Enterprise and so they can capture.

1277
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.119
Just like, she doesn't give a shit.

1278
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.619
She's got her and that little necklace thing that she used to

1279
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:31.260
transport was the necklace that she got Spock to put on her

1280
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:32.159
earlier on.

1281
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:33.659
Did you see that?

1282
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.599
It had little legs and it was crawling across the asteroid.

1283
00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:37.559
Yeah, yeah, amazing.

1284
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:38.760
That's awesome, isn't it?

1285
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:40.199
Yeah, I feel like...

1286
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:42.840
I feel like they're being much more creative with their like

1287
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:43.800
spaceship designs.

1288
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.940
Yeah. in last day, just because the CGI is so sophisticated.

1289
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.239
Oh, look, the pirates being led out with their hands on their

1290
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:51.539
heads.

1291
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.900
It reminds me that ends a batter, bing, batter bang.

1292
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.039
But look, there's still so now they're in this sort of scene where

1293
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.340
people are crock climbing their calls to attack them.

1294
00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:04.079
Because they're mutiny.

1295
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:07.320
They haven't actually successfully managed to take up the ship at

1296
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:07.739
all.

1297
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.179
They've just broken onto the bridge and everyone's climbing up to

1298
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:12.360
get them.

1299
00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:13.860
I mean here we go.

1300
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:14.400
You know what?

1301
00:56:14.460 --> 00:56:15.480
It's fine.

1302
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:16.860
It's a bit of shit as well.

1303
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.840
Star Trek, that's exactly the thing. exactly what they're going

1304
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:22.139
for.

1305
00:56:23.099 --> 00:56:24.719
Here we go.

1306
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:25.500
Here we go.

1307
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.039
I love this.

1308
00:56:26.099 --> 00:56:29.159
Look at...

1309
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.199
Oh my god.

1310
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:33.179
We have a catch a big head.

1311
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:34.860
We should make them walk the plank.

1312
00:56:36.179 --> 00:56:37.860
Please stop.

1313
00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:41.820
She is totally in Vegas.

1314
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:42.539
I'm telling you.

1315
00:56:43.619 --> 00:56:45.360
But you know what?

1316
00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:48.719
I saw a tweet recently where someone put like, I just know these

1317
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:49.440
characters.

1318
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:50.519
I love these characters.

1319
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.539
And I think, like, no matter what the quality of the episode

1320
00:56:54.539 --> 00:56:55.920
you're happy to go on a journey with these people.

1321
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:56.820
That's hard.

1322
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:59.280
That is half the battle with Star Trek, isn't it?

1323
00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:02.159
And they've done like by episode one.

1324
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.159
And partly it's because most of the characters come with a sort of

1325
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:09.179
ready-made background that we've been aware of, you know, 50 years

1326
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:09.840
or whatever.

1327
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:14.820
Um, and that helps, you know, and it also helps that we've seen

1328
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:17.219
some of them on discovery fairly recently too.

1329
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.039
And but we love them instantly.

1330
00:57:20.099 --> 00:57:24.000
Like, I think Laan is amazing and she's not for me.

1331
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:26.340
I was a bit unconvinced by her in the pilot, wasn't I?

1332
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:29.280
And I'm fairly certain they probably softened some of those rough

1333
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:30.360
edges by now.

1334
00:57:30.420 --> 00:57:32.219
Oh, no, she's still...

1335
00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:33.659
She's still got a bug up your bath.

1336
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.260
Oh good.

1337
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.219
Yeah, yeah.

1338
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.380
And she gets 2 gone episodes in which to kind of, you know, This

1339
00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:42.360
has an element of tragedy to it because we know they ain't going

1340
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:42.659
to last.

1341
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.340
Yeah, it's not going to last.

1342
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.619
And obviously, we know that Pike...

1343
00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:47.699
Oh, he's going to end up.

1344
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.480
So like this whole series has an element of tragedy to it. no

1345
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:52.139
matter how funny it is.

1346
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:52.440
Yeah.

1347
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.579
And yeah, now they're going to jump on one another.

1348
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:57.960
Come on, go on.

1349
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.599
Tell us what Erica, Jong.

1350
00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:03.300
No, I'm sorry, the kiss between him and Chappell was way hotter

1351
00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:03.539
than that.

1352
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:04.980
Yeah, wasn't it?

1353
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:06.059
much hotter.

1354
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:07.739
She's beautiful, though.

1355
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:08.460
Oh, she is.

1356
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.400
But the Vulcans, you know, they're all so repressed, aren't they?

1357
00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:14.219
I bet the sex is a bit boring.

1358
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:15.780
No, wait.

1359
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.460
See, she should be about to jump on him after reading all of that

1360
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:22.139
English smut.

1361
00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:25.980
All of that human smut.

1362
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.380
I'd like to say that I have, in fact, been ordering those on

1363
00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:29.639
Amazon while we've been talking.

1364
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:33.840
I did actually buy the Argonaut, so I will read that.

1365
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:36.480
I'll let you know in the next episode how I got on with them.

1366
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:37.380
Okay.

1367
00:58:37.500 --> 00:58:39.179
Oh, this is awkward.

1368
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:40.199
I'm so sorry.

1369
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:41.159
Isn't it?

1370
00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:45.300
She is so good.

1371
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:46.739
It's so good.

1372
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:51.539
And of course, you know, he's there to thank her for being so

1373
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:56.699
convincing on the bridge, but of course, she's convincing.

1374
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:58.199
He is hot for him.

1375
00:58:58.260 --> 00:59:03.239
You know how like some actors are just effortlessly likeable?

1376
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.579
Like, they don't ever do anything.

1377
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.679
Like, she just hasn't, doesn't she?

1378
00:59:07.739 --> 00:59:09.480
Yeah, she really does.

1379
00:59:09.539 --> 00:59:13.320
And I'm glad that they decided to go somewhere different.

1380
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:14.820
Do you know what, as well?

1381
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.559
I love these unrequired storylines.

1382
00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:18.539
I loved it with Odo, Kira.

1383
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.019
Oh, actually, I didn't like it so much, that dreadful Neelix Tom

1384
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:23.579
Paris and Kiz thing.

1385
00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:24.659
Yeah, it was awful.

1386
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.719
But it's when you've got the character looking longingly from

1387
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:28.139
afar.

1388
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.840
You can't help but just, you know, feel sorry for those

1389
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:31.380
characters.

1390
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.139
They are good together and that scene from the uh, from Spocker

1391
00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:39.659
Mark, uh, which has a lot of hang time.

1392
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:43.320
Like they just go to a bar and she talks to Spock about his

1393
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.239
relationship and it's nice.

1394
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:46.619
It's normal.

1395
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.320
It's kind of like normal people interacting.

1396
00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:51.900
I know they've had a muck time time mark.

1397
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.699
They take the...

1398
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:54.539
I love it.

1399
00:59:55.619 --> 00:59:57.360
Oh, here we go.

1400
00:59:57.420 --> 01:00:03.659
Back to the back to the prison with Stone and his unfortunate

1401
01:00:03.659 --> 01:00:04.559
haircut.

1402
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.980
He's bad, bad Vulcan haircut.

1403
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.119
I just, I don't know, I...

1404
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:13.500
I knew this is coming.

1405
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.539
It was revealed to me because everyone was talking about it on

1406
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:16.019
Twitter.

1407
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:19.199
I still didn't quite believe it until I saw it.

1408
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.380
I think that's so great.

1409
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.480
Absolutely do that.

1410
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:26.519
I dare you, you know.

1411
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.519
They'll do it well as well.

1412
01:00:29.579 --> 01:00:32.400
They'll salvage our character.

1413
01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:35.760
In fact, I'm fairly certain by the end of Kersman Trek, if it ever

1414
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:36.239
ends.

1415
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:40.559
They'll take every part of Star Trek that hasn't worked and do a

1416
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.000
bangout repair job on all of it.

1417
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.579
I'm going to compare something to you.

1418
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.719
I thoroughly enjoyed watching that with you far more than I

1419
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.639
enjoyed watching it on my own.

1420
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:54.599
Uh, but I think I think you had something to do with that.

1421
01:00:54.659 --> 01:00:59.219
I still think that is a little plain as a Star Trek episode.

1422
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.179
Yeah, yeah.

1423
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.119
It's it's probably the most throwaway episode of the season.

1424
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.480
But that doesn't mean there aren't great moments with our

1425
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:11.639
characters and particularly spending time in the fuck and the

1426
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:13.500
angel is...

1427
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:16.800
And the action, like you said, there isn't many sort of

1428
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:20.039
performance pieces in Catsman Track, because they're such ensemble

1429
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.000
pieces now, aren't they?

1430
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.519
other characters come in, but there's so many other people.

1431
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:29.699
And this kind of shows how that can salvage an episode in Kursman

1432
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:30.119
trick.

1433
01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:32.820
Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's right.

1434
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:39.059
There is a lot going on and and I think that there is something a

1435
01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:40.199
little bit more leisurely.

1436
01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:43.920
It's like that they're doing 50 minute episodes the way that the

1437
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.659
original series does.

1438
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:50.760
And they're using that extra time not just to kind of bore us and

1439
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.840
make us wish the episodes were shorter, which is what TOS tended

1440
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:55.260
to do.

1441
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:00.840
But by spending time on our characters and getting them to

1442
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:01.980
interact with one another.

1443
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.699
And I think there's just something effortlessly charming about

1444
01:02:05.699 --> 01:02:06.000
it.

1445
01:02:06.059 --> 01:02:09.659
And something that reminds you of original Trek.

1446
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.079
And I just think it's thoroughgoingly enjoyable.

1447
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:14.880
I'm absolutely surprised.

1448
01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:20.579
What's fascinating about this is, this is what they try to do with

1449
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:26.400
Enterprise, is is set uh series pre-all those 90s, pre-TOS.

1450
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:30.539
Yeah, and it kind of bombed for a lot of reasons.

1451
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.019
Then they tried to do it with discovery and they said, actually, do

1452
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:34.380
you know what?

1453
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.739
In order to do interesting storytelling, we're going to have to go

1454
01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:40.260
into the future and do post 90s trait storytelling.

1455
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.400
Strangely wells is basically we're here to stay in the TOS

1456
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.099
universe or just free TOS universe.

1457
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.440
And they're fucking rocking it, you know?

1458
01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:56.519
With a mixture of originality and some just glowing nostalgia.

1459
01:02:56.579 --> 01:02:57.719
Yeah, yeah.

1460
01:02:57.780 --> 01:03:02.579
I think perhaps the biggest success is the decision to do

1461
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:09.239
something with the gone, like they take something iconic and

1462
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.079
fantastic.

1463
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:10.920
What does he look like?

1464
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:14.639
Oh my god. so good.

1465
01:03:14.699 --> 01:03:17.099
So episode nine.

1466
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:21.179
So there's an early episode, maybe 3 or 4 where we don't see the

1467
01:03:21.179 --> 01:03:23.579
Gorn coming out of their spaceships, but they're a threat.

1468
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:27.539
And then we see that Gorn come out of their spaceships in episode

1469
01:03:27.539 --> 01:03:29.760
nine, which is astonishing.

1470
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:35.099
It's really scary and really amazingly kind of heartbreaking.

1471
01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:37.320
Surely not as scariest, the one in arena.

1472
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:40.320
No, maybe not.

1473
01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:43.920
They're not wearing the frock that they're wearing in the arena

1474
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:44.340
this way.

1475
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:45.659
It makes all the difference.

1476
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.920
But, like, I just think, you know, a little bit of character

1477
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:55.739
serialisation, some charming performances, a lead who is just sexy

1478
01:03:55.739 --> 01:03:58.860
and charming as hell in Anson mouth.

1479
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.739
You know, we loved him when he was in discovery and we were right

1480
01:04:01.739 --> 01:04:04.320
to do that because he is superb.

1481
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:05.699
Um, yeah.

1482
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:12.900
I mean, all I'm going to say is, if that is the weakest episode of

1483
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:16.079
Strange New Worlds, we just laughed all the way through it.

1484
01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:17.280
Yeah, yeah.

1485
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.360
That's what it was for.

1486
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.099
It's definitely doing it.

1487
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:20.940
It's doing something right.

1488
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:21.420
Yeah.

1489
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.619
All right, we're nearing the end, and so it's time for us to

1490
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:33.539
choose an episode to talk about next time, and it's my turn on the

1491
01:04:33.539 --> 01:04:37.559
randomiser, and I am going to do something much more prescriptive

1492
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:38.219
than usual.

1493
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.539
So instead of like 90s trek or goddamn it, anything at all.

1494
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:47.820
I am going to pick from one series that we have.

1495
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:48.539
Yeah.

1496
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:54.300
So I'm going to just pick from Star Trek Lower Decks. and it's

1497
01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:56.159
part of the...

1498
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.599
Well, it's because we've only done one of them so far.

1499
01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:07.019
And it is actually starting up again in a few weeks time, I

1500
01:05:07.019 --> 01:05:07.320
think.

1501
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:11.280
I think it may be before... to Deep Space nine.

1502
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.019
Yeah, it's going to be fun.

1503
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:19.019
So I'm on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1504
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.099
I have picked Star Trek Lower Decks and I am raising the button

1505
01:05:23.099 --> 01:05:23.460
now.

1506
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.099
I literally won't have a clue.

1507
01:05:26.219 --> 01:05:27.840
So you're going to have to fill me in.

1508
01:05:27.900 --> 01:05:31.739
It's 2nd contact.

1509
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.699
And that's the pilot, isn't it?

1510
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.099
That's the 1st episode of series one.

1511
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:39.900
So I don't think we're going to do it.

1512
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:46.380
They do have a later episode called First contact, which is the

1513
01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:48.780
Cerrito's 1st contact, which might actually be the...

1514
01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:50.039
Yeah, go on.

1515
01:05:50.099 --> 01:05:53.579
Say something about 2nd contact because I watched a YouTube video

1516
01:05:53.579 --> 01:05:57.599
the other day of like the top 10 most contentious Star Trek

1517
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:01.260
episodes. and it had things like rejoined on there, you know

1518
01:06:01.260 --> 01:06:04.199
obviously because there was a few funeral about that. and it had

1519
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.199
the finale of enterprise because everyone hated the fact it was a

1520
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:08.760
TNG episode in disguise.

1521
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And then they had 2nd contact and it was the 2nd most contentious

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episode according to this fella from Trick or whatever it was.

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01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:20.820
And his, it was basically like, people didn't like, people didn't

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01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:22.500
like the humour and all this and that.

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01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:26.099
I'm like, that's not been my experience. at all, as far as I can

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01:06:26.099 --> 01:06:26.340
see it.

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01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.139
Everyone's absolutely a doors lower decks.

1528
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:29.579
Yeah, yeah.

1529
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:31.619
Some people just hate fun.

1530
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.659
Yeah, I think that's the problem.

1531
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.039
Point fingers though.

1532
01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:36.659
All right, we'll just say that generally.

1533
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:38.280
All right.

1534
01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:39.659
I'm going to press the button again.

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01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.099
Okay.

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01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.420
Oh, okay, Cupid's errant arrow.

1537
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:50.280
I think I know which one this is, and I think it's an episode that

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01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.460
it's from series one episode five.

1539
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.320
Um, and it is...

1540
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.139
Oh, please tell me it's the one where he's got the girlfriend and

1541
01:07:01.139 --> 01:07:02.639
she's trying to find out all the way.

1542
01:07:02.699 --> 01:07:04.739
Oh, that is such a good episode.

1543
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:05.880
Yeah, I think so too.

1544
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.320
What a joy.

1545
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:08.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1546
01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:10.800
We go through every fucking appreciate it.

1547
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:11.519
Star Trek.

1548
01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:16.619
Every Star Trek plot gets toyed with and then promptly dismissed.

1549
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.380
It's really, really fun.

1550
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:20.280
She had Duplica.

1551
01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:21.300
She's been taken over.

1552
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.059
She's like, oh, it is just the blind.

1553
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:25.139
What's the A plot in that, though?

1554
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:26.099
I can't remember.

1555
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.039
I think that's the A-plot, I know, whatever we will find out.

1556
01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:31.619
All right.

1557
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:33.059
So, Cupid's Darren Arrow.

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01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:37.139
Well, what's interesting is we're going from a technically a

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01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:38.340
comedy to a comedy.

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01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:41.400
So be interesting to see how this compares.

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You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:54.300
and Nathan Bottomley.

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We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

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01:07:57.420 --> 01:07:59.820
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:03.420
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:05.039
composed by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded and released on the 5th of August 2022.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, Cupid's errant

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01:08:13.260 --> 01:08:13.800
arrow.

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01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.220
All right, I'm cracking that tea.

1571
01:08:35.340 --> 01:08:37.380
Oh, it's way more positive than the world's gonna be.

1572
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:39.779
It's new.

1573
01:08:39.899 --> 01:08:41.340
Yeah.

1574
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:44.340
I'm right to love it.

1575
01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:47.579
Bloody hell, after all that enthusiast.

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01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:48.659
Even more knackered.