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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is a very special episode for you and me, isn't it?

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Because in some ways, Bata Bing batter bang is responsible for the birth of this very podcast.

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It is, yes.

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I was planning on creating an offshoot of my podcast, Hammersmith Blunt Penknife, bringing in contributors to choose other shows than Doctor Who and their top 10 favourite episodes of whatever show they pick.

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We chose between us, DS9, and your top 10 list came through, and may I say it was a very eclectic list of episodes.

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A huge controversial.

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It was a controversial list.

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Well, it was the correct answer to the question.

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Well, indeed.

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It did include, it did include things like the visitor and stuff and things like that.

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It also included take me out to the Hall of Suite and Bada bang.

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And did it include in the Pale Moonlight because I think we contributed 5 each?

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May have.

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I'm not sure But certainly take me out to the Hollow Suite was one.

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And this was one and we tried to record an episode on this.

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I remember watching it sort of frantically trying to finish my 2nd watching just before recording started.

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And, uh, and something didn't work out.

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I can't remember what exactly.

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I don't think it was recorded, but somehow, between us doing the 1st episode we recorded and this one that we didn't, untitled Star Trek project was born.

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Well, I think it was born.

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My memory is that it was actually born in the conversation that we had after we discovered we weren't going to be able to record it for some reason and I can't remember what the reason was.

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But initially, we'd had ideas of going through all of Deep Space.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, I mean, there is the podcast Random Trek by Scott McNulty, please call me Scott.

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Call us.

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Scott.

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And so it's not entirely an original idea, but I guess we're doing a commentary and we're choosing it on air.

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So we have some kind of accountability.

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So this, for me, is one of my favourite ones because one of the things that I like is when Star Trek kind of goes off piece and does something a little bit unusual.

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And it is possible to imagine a heist episode of Star Trek just played straight, but having it played in this sort of ocean's 11 kind of way is terrific.

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It's hugely stylish, isn't it?

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It allows them to really like lean into the era.

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Like, there's a quote on a memory alpha where, I think it's Renee-Eshire Vere says, we don't do call in Star Trek very much.

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We don't do it very well.

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No, they're not cool.

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But this is one time where we made, you know, where they're walking across a promenade, and they're all in their finery, about to go into the casino with that riff on the DS9 theme playing, and he goes, and that was just insanely cool, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think too, you know, there's a tendency for fans in particular because we have been a persecuted minority watching sort of weird ass things that everyone else thinks are kind of stupid.

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We kind of get very self-conscious about whether something that we watch is silly or not.

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And that's absolutely the wrong approach to take with Star Trek.

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Star Trek is frequently silly.

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You know, even Strange New Worlds, which is a well-made, beautiful looking modern program, just very frequently goes, ah, we're doing Star Trek, remember, it's got to be silly.

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And so I don't think this is any less serious or less important than the weighty episodes.

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Uh, you know, that are about the world.

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I think this is probably an Ira Bears quote as saying on memory alpha, that these episodes, these funny, charming episodes that raise a laugh are far harder to put together than the visitor in the Power Moon.

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Like, that's just people talking in rooms.

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Here, you've got to get the editing right, the music right.

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It's got to be funny, you've got to put a bit of them for energy into the script.

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The actors have got to deliver it like perfectly if it's a comedy.

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And I feel DS 9.

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It is quite serious for the most part, and it's dealing with a lot of serious things.

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But when they do a comedy.

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They utterly commit to the genre that they are playing out.

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So if they're going to do a bond pastage.

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They are going to rock a bottom passage.

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They're going to do, you know, a high story in the 50s, then they're really going to lean into it.

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I don't think there's a DS9 comedy beyond profit and lace, which is very misjudged.

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That actually doesn't succeed.

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It is very offensive.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, also we're in a situation now where we're about to enter a run of like 10 episodes that's highly serialised that leads up to the finale and that wraps up all of these plot threads that have developed over the past 7 years.

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And so this is, in a way, our last chance for hang time with these people.

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Yeah, and just to have a lot of fun, those 10 episodes are incredibly darker times than serious.

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And I can't think of anything more 4th wall than Avery Brooks and James Darren at the end of this episode singing the best is yet to come.

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Yeah.

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And then looking straight out of the audience and smiling.

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Yeah, it's great.

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Look, I think it's as charming as hell.

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I'm absolutely excited to watch it again.

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But before we go in, yeah, I've got a question I want to ask you, because my other half is not a Star Trek fan and a friend of ours, Siheart, who has kind of dipped into Star Trek. both find the idea of these holodeck episodes, all of them, without fail, agonising, and that it's embarrassing that the show is, you know, departing from what they should be doing.

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Like, you know, here in the middle of a war.

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They spending time helping out Vic Fontaine.

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Yeah.

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And I think you've got something to say about that.

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Well, it just, it strikes me that that point of view is the point of view expressed by Cisco in this episode where he initially, and there's a reason for it, it's not what it is on the surface, but he initially is slightly irritated by the fact that they're all talking about this computer game and that they're all talking about Vic like he's a real person.

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And so for some people.

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Because remember the thing here is the safeties don't malfunction.

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Nothing goes wrong on the holodeck.

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And that's deliberate.

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He says, we deliberately didn't want to do a holodeck in jeopardy.

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We just wanted them to go in and, you know, basically and but help their friend as well.

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You know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And and the thing is too, that in the context of a television program, Vic Fontaine is as real as everyone else on the show, you know, he's just an actor playing a part just like all of the others.

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And if we care what happens to Cisco and Kira and Odo, if we can be emotionally affected by what ends up happening to them or cross, you know, when things don't turn out for them the way we envisaged, then how is that different from them owing Vic Fontaine things, you know?

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It's not at all.

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In fact, I've got a quote for you here, and it's my favourite quote I've ever handed you, okay?

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So it says on memory effort.

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In fact, I receive them bear. saw the story. something of his commentary on how invested Star Trek fans can become in the characters in the same way that viewers have invested in the artifice of Star Trek and care about the characters who aren't real.

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We decided to do about a show about our characters care about the thick.

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So it's absolutely in the DNA of this episode, what you just said.

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Yeah.

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And one of the things that the holodeck is always enabled is that it has allowed us a visual way to depict the characters having downtime and being entertained.

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And, you know, we watch TV.

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We read books, but you don't see people on TV watching TV and reading books because that would be boring to look at.

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And so this makes that visible to a TV viewing audience.

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And it's very frequently used, even in non-holodeck episodes.

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We see people on the holodeck and that's used as a device to tell us how they're feeling or what they're thinking about.

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Do you know what?

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Do you know what?

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I hit my other behalf.

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I said, yeah, you think it's terrible at the day, go off onto the holodeck into this fancy world and blah, blah.

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And I said, well, how's that any different from you?

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Dressing up as your favourite character from Doctor Who and going to a convention?

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Is exactly the same thing.

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Now shut him up.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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But there's also another quote very quickly.

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I want to read to you Because this was something that I had considered going in.

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I think initially I found Cisco bringing up the idea of black people populating Vic's lounge in the 1950s when that absolutely isn't what would have happened a bit on the nose.

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But DeWitt, Douglas Kilgore, I'm not sure who that is.

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It's quoted as saying the situation is remarkable, not only as a scene in Star Trek, but also in the world of commercial television.

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Cisco is not explaining himself to a white outsider, human or alien, but to a woman from his own background.

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He includes her in his historical concerns through his use of the possessive pronoun hour.

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And Yates responds in kind, putting forth a different perspective from within their shared community of concern.

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Rank and gender, introduce complicating dynamics, but the communal rhetoric is a bit wordy, this.

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The communal rhetoric renders the debate as internal, indicative of how black people position themselves both in the productive reality of the show and in the fictive future of its narrative.

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Crucially, these black characters are allowed to remember and speak in a way that was unavailable to Uhura and Zulu 2 decades earlier.

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The production environment for racial representation has changed that much at least.

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Because that ends up being the big thing about Deep Space 9, doesn't it?

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Because every main character. everyone in the opening titles has a group of secondary characters surrounding them.

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And for Cisco, that's his son and his girlfriend, both of whom are black.

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And so the reason that Ahura never had these conversations was there were basically no other black regulars or semi-regulars on the cast.

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So there was no one that she could talk to about that.

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And what it would have been, would be a black character explaining to a white character for the benefit of a predominantly white audience.

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And so it would still have centred white people.

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And I think that political discussion is actually really properly great.

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And it's still...

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We adds a little substance to what's a bit of fluff, really, doesn't it?

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Yeah, but I mean, it's still an issue.

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I don't know whether we've talked about colourblind casting before on the podcast or not.

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I don't think we have no.

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No, probably not.

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But things like Bridgerton, for instance, where it's set in the regency period, but there's heaps of black characters and race doesn't kind of come up.

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I know it's sort of comes up.

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But it doesn't really come up.

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And that kind of erases black people's experience in how black people's history differs from white people's history.

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It just says, and look, colourblind casting enables you to cast fantastic black actors.

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Look at the David Copperpell that came out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right, with Dave Patel. amazing.

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He was terrific in that.

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And so you do want to do it because there are lots of historical stories, but this kind of critiques that.

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So we have a version of the 50s or 60s in Las Vegas where not only are there black characters, but there are sort of aliens and everything like that and no one cares, and that does need to be addressed.

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I think the episode does need to address it because otherwise it's kind of whitewashing history.

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But also as well, it's a fantasy environment.

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So Cassidy's argument that it just depicts things how they should have been.

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That's a valid enough answer, you know?

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Yeah, I think so too.

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But I think Cisco is right to be a bit thing about it.

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And I really like how Koi is about it.

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He doesn't want to have the conversation he just presents as being a bit grumpy about his senior staff spending so much time and effort on something that excludes him.

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He's never been depicted at Vic's before.

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You know, they did that because Iobear says that they deliberately had Cisco critiquing Vig, because they wanted him to be the voice of the fans that were so against that character.

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And they were like, they were like, if we can win Cisco over throughout this episode, maybe and make it a, you know, a great fun episode, then maybe we'll take the fans with us.

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And I think a lot of them got there, you know.

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And, you know, we've talked about fiction here.

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We've talked about race.

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Let's not forget this episode also is about them dressing up in fabulous clothes and robbing £1000000 from the mob, which is...

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It's so great.

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And it's absolutely a proper heist. really cool. should we?

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I think we should.

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I am ready.

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All right.

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Shame we can't hear the music because for ones, you can't criticise the music for once.

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Go on, admit it. sort of.

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So, it's a fantastic score.

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Yeah, but I think I think it highlights the fact that they've deliberately chosen elsewhere to make the music as boring as possible and then they kind of go, actually let's get some real atmosphere happening here and do that with the music.

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And it just makes me think you could have been doing that.

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And interestingly, this is the episode that wins the award for music.

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Yeah, well, there's completely only one that could.

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That's completely unlike anything else they do.

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Yeah, well, they don't give an award for a 52nd sting that leads into a commercial break normally.

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All right.

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I'm gonna canvass in.

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I'm going to count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Off we go.

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We have a focus on a...

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Yeah.

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Jimmy Darrett is charming as hell, isn't he?

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Yeah, he really is.

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And like, he's a good singer.

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He's terribly charming.

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He's obviously doing a sort of Frank Sinatra thing here.

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And that thing we've talked about before, that extension of them loving the work. absolutely beams off the screen.

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You can tell, they love working with him.

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He loves working with them.

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And let's not forget, he had to be convinced to do this because he initially said, oh, I don't want to do Star Trek and I don't want to do singing either because I've done that, that part of my career is over.

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And then he got the script for his way.

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And he was like, get my agent on the phone.

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Quick, I want to do this.

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Yeah, he was super excited.

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He wasn't the only person they considered and they did actually briefly consider Frank Sinatra Jr. who was around in a bit of a Star Trek fan.

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So I can't remember why that didn't turn out.

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But you know what, you always think they use him?

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They use him extremely well.

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Like, I think in his way, obviously that the purpose there is to bring, and Kira together.

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They have him singing a wonderful song in Tears and the Prophets.

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Here's to the losers when Hawk and Bashir. have both lost backs and they're going to have a baby.

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Um, to help Wolf get over his grief in imaging the sand.

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And then, uh, for Nog, when he lost his leg, in his only a paper moon.

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I mean, it's not all fluff.

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No, and that end.

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I mean, that song, the way you look tonight, which I just think is beautiful.

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The way Kira smiles at him when he comes out, it's...

211
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I think that that is a super affecting final scene, and his inclusion in the show is worth it just for that, I think.

212
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So now it's been turned into a sort of early 60s style kind of burlesque sex thing with all of these attractive ladies.

213
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It's the pornniest music I've ever heard come into TV.

214
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Okay, sleazy as hell, you know, and they're mucky.

215
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Look at them putting their legs in the air and their stockings all on display. so good And so we've now got Frankie Ines, who's our villain and Cheech.

216
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He's big dumb henchman.

217
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They are stereotypes, but they cast them brilliantly.

218
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Oh, like they're comedy, you know, they're comedy mobsters.

219
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And, you know, Frankie I is a bit threatening, but certainly Cheech is a sort of comedy sidekick.

220
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I mean, it literally has a cartoon scene later where he shoves a cheesesteak all the way down a man's throat.

221
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

222
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Yeah.

223
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Straight out of a bloody comic.

224
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I love this as well though.

225
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I love the fact because we've been having these conversations about Bashir's friend giving him all these different programs all the time and that.

226
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So it's not unusual.

227
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Felix, yeah, to to spring this jack in the box on them and say, right, put your way out of this.

228
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I love this.

229
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I love that, that, uh, Miles wants to delete them from the program, so he says, computer, delete character Frankie Eisen, sorry I didn't catch your name.

230
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And so the guy tells him he's cheat and he tries to delete him and obviously...

231
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It says in that accent, doesn't he?

232
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What's a holo sweets?

233
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Yeah.

234
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Goodness, no.

235
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You know, you always say to me, in the pre-credit sequence, you need to know what the episode's going to be about and you absolutely do here, you know?

236
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Well, in fact, the last shot, the final shot is Sheesh, isn't it?

237
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Holding, holding Vic by the lapels about to sort of shake him in what is a sort of comedy, you know, it's light.

238
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It's...

239
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It's Ocean's 11.

240
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And this is obviously well before the Ocean's 11 remakes came about.

241
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It's the original Ocean's 11. which was, again, getting a cast of just great actors together to do a heist movie and have a lot of fun, and that's what this is.

242
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And when I was watching this, like, for the 3rd time this week, because I love it so much.

243
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I was like, okay, this is actually all just set in one room.

244
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You know, it's clearly like a contained set, but it's being shot kind of so imaginatively and with such energy that you don't kind of notice, you know?

245
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So the opening credits are as slow as usual.

246
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Yeah, this is the one part of the episode is a little bit dreary, unfortunately.

247
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Nice sedate.

248
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But I'll tell you one thing I did notice about this episode again.

249
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Watch as we go through.

250
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One was the very suffuse lighting throughout.

251
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And the dinner scene between Cisco and Cassidy's candle lit, all the scenes in Vic's.

252
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It's got it's got a nice sort of glow about it, this episode.

253
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But also the intimacy between the regulars and how much they touch each other and how this, you know, we watched Dramatis Persona the other day.

254
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And I know they were behaving a bit out of character.

255
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But, you know, there was no sense of sort of family or community.

256
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Here.

257
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It feels like one big family.

258
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And I love the fact that before we go into those 10 episodes at the end.

259
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We get them all at the bar having a moment together, you know, it's lovely.

260
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Yeah, I agree.

261
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It's one of the things you can do with these ensemble shows.

262
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Is every now and again.

263
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Sorry.

264
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Well, particularly this ensemble show though, because everyone's so strong.

265
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And, you know, we even have people who aren't in the opening credits like Cassidy and Nog playing a huge part because they're just part of the thing.

266
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I love the fact that Cassidy's presence in this.

267
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It'd take me out to the holo suite.

268
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Oh, right, she's coming back to the station.

269
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I going to get her involved in the baseball.

270
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She's just in there straight away, you know?

271
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With no question.

272
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We know she does a Cisco. yeah.

273
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And that's the best thing about the one of the best things about the last 2 seasons that she suddenly had a massively active part in the show.

274
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And boy, did she bring some charisma with her?

275
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She's so good.

276
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We've talked about the or before.

277
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I still haven't watched any of series 3 and she is the best person in it, I think, easily.

278
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She's so great.

279
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Just terrifically strong.

280
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Okay, so now here's our scene in Ops.

281
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And everyone's talking about Vic.

282
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And it is, it is if they're watching.

283
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It as if they're all watching a TV show.

284
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You know, one of those TV shows that suddenly everyone's watching and talking about and that's when that used to happen.

285
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No, no.

286
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That actually happened to me in my old workplace, when everyone was talking about EastEnders.

287
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And I walked into the road and everyone's terribly concerned about this person they're talking about.

288
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And I went, oh God, who's this?

289
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And I was like, oh, sorry, we're talking about EastEnders last night.

290
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But it was as real as this, you know?

291
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Yeah.

292
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I like the quick reminder of all the good that it's done for everybody.

293
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And it's one of those, you know, we're going to catch you up with where this character's been in case you haven't watched before.

294
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Yeah, and it's, it's not, it's not tired exposition.

295
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Like it is, it's worth having.

296
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It's kind of worth having in the episode even if it wasn't here to catch us up.

297
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I do love the bit where Cisco just walks in, no, and goes, well, when you're going to go back to work.

298
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Come on.

299
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Yeah.

300
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He's, he's, you know, my other half and Sihar.

301
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Stop arsing around talking about hollow sweets, you know?

302
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That's right.

303
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What do you think of Kira's season 7 look?

304
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I don't like the hair, but I do like... do like the outfit.

305
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I love it when they put her in the Starfleet uniform in the last couple of episodes.

306
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Oh, okay.

307
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I'd forgotten that happens.

308
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Is that what they do?

309
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Oh, she looks sad.

310
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She is hell in that uniform, Jack.

311
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Yeah.

312
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There's a couple of times where this happens, you know, not, because I realise there's a, there's an episode where Kira is the one where she finds out that her mum potentially has been having it off with Dakart in the past.

313
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And they're all, they're all chatting away about something ridiculous and she walks in and she's like, I'm waiting for you all to go back to work.

314
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And it's just little moments like that that I love.

315
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It feels very real, you know?

316
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Yeah.

317
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I don't think you'd have it in the next generation, you know?

318
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They wouldn't be having a fun conversation in the 1st place.

319
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No, that's right.

320
00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:38.759
Or a kind of terrible fun conversation or voyager the same, you know, like they're just not as cohesive enough a team.

321
00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:46.440
Now, Nathan, we were talking the other day that there was no, there was no mature relationships in 90s Trek.

322
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Exhibit 8.

323
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This is the one.

324
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Yeah.

325
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I think this is the one.

326
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.420
I think Tom and Balana is insufferable almost impossible to watch.

327
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But these 2 are really great.

328
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Let's not even go into 7 and Chakotay, eh?

329
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Oh, yuck.

330
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Thank God we only have a couple of episodes of that.

331
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:16.319
But like, I've heard reviewers. say that this is a very boring relationship, but I think they have like honest and like real conversations, you know, about marriage, about settling down.

332
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They have a troubled start with their relationship.

333
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:20.279
I love the episode.

334
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:24.839
Do you remember the episode where she says she's going to move on the station and he says, that's a big step.

335
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And she's like, what do you mean by that?

336
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It's a big step.

337
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.359
And then she goes through him. you are afraid of commitment.

338
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:42.839
But like, remember the last time we did a series 7 episode, he was trying to manipulate her into coaching the team.

339
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:45.480
She just wanted to vote by bringing flowers.

340
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:46.259
Yeah, that's right.

341
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:51.480
You know, like it's, it is proper and sensible and not adolescent.

342
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:52.319
Oh, here we are.

343
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.819
This is as high stakes as we get here because he comes out now covered in blood, doesn't he?

344
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.579
Yeah, but of course he's fake and so is the blood.

345
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But we like fake.

346
00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:02.160
We don't want him to get beat up.

347
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:02.940
Yeah, yeah.

348
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:03.660
No, that's right.

349
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:04.319
That's right.

350
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:06.359
Felix is a nasty man honestly.

351
00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:07.500
Yeah.

352
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.420
Well, I don't think he was expecting Vic to become self-aware, probably, when he wrote the program.

353
00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:14.400
Oh, man.

354
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:21.240
See, everyone's sort of their their usual D space 9 characters at the moment, but later on when they're in the heist, they really get into their roles, don't they?

355
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:22.380
Yeah, yeah.

356
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:27.119
I mean, they're there in their uniforms and stuff just so that we know that it's Star Trek.

357
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:33.299
I mean, the fact that this is a very Star Trek looking set is a usual brown colours.

358
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.059
And then the characterised 90s track.

359
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:41.819
But, you know, like with gorgeous 60s furniture in the background, within the TV over Julian's left shoulder.

360
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.740
It is only a paper moon.

361
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.900
It's all very sort of art deco.

362
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.920
It's beautiful to look at. like something that's come out of, you know, a Bond movie.

363
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.420
Yeah.

364
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.319
Yeah.

365
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:54.480
No, I mean, that's the thing.

366
00:25:54.539 --> 00:26:00.720
This era has just never been anything other than immensely stylish and incredibly stylish.

367
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.599
And, you know, 90 strike has a pretty bad record with casual clothes, doesn't it?

368
00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:07.500
They always.

369
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:09.420
They look terrible.

370
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.839
I can't think of anyone who wore any clothes that I would wear, you know.

371
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:21.539
They all look a bit, you know, that that awful kid in that time travel episode of Voyager, that, like, they've come out of the gap and it's all just all weird colours and that, you know?

372
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:37.319
But when it is successful, it kind of, you know, goes with the idea that Star Trek was created in the 60s and so the casual clothes should kind of have a bit of a 60s feel to them and that does kind of work, I think.

373
00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:44.700
Like, you know that scene later on, that glorious moment where they're going down the promenade in slow motion to the revised DS 9.

374
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.079
I want to see how they're dressed.

375
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:47.579
I want to fuck every single one of them.

376
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.240
I'm telling you.

377
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:49.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

378
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:50.460
All of them.

379
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:51.480
Oh, here we go.

380
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:52.500
The sleazy girls are back.

381
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.440
So I adore this scene.

382
00:26:55.500 --> 00:27:03.180
So this is them scoping out the place prior to our, you know, the get plan explained to a scene.

383
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.160
Go, don't, Kira.

384
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.440
This is adorable.

385
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:24.960
This is another grown-up adult scene because he's staring at the ladies, the sexy ladies on the stage and instead of being irritated by that, Kira just thinks it's adorable and hilarious and she smiles, that beautiful nun of visitor smile and just pats him on the shoulder and says, you have fun.

386
00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:26.160
I'll go and do my thing.

387
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:27.900
It's adorable.

388
00:27:28.019 --> 00:27:32.759
So they can't do it. grown-up sexuality can do it.

389
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:40.500
I want you, you compare it to like that, you know, god awful juvenile jealousy between Tom Paris and Neelix and stuff like that.

390
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.799
It's like, oh, that's the other end of the scale, isn't it?

391
00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:45.000
Yeah, absolutely.

392
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:47.940
Oh, this is fun when he when he does his little hand trick.

393
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.140
Oh no, is it not quite yet?

394
00:27:49.259 --> 00:28:00.839
No, but the, like, so Cheech is talking to a bunch of other mobsters and telling a hilarious tale about how you whacked the wrong guy, which is because they're awful.

395
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:02.279
They're all called poorly.

396
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:05.519
Too many guards, too...

397
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.940
Oh, look at Kira, doesn't she look hot?

398
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.799
Yeah, beautiful.

399
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:12.119
Oh, look at her hair now.

400
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.880
All up with a little tiara holding it in together.

401
00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:16.200
Yeah, yeah, beautiful.

402
00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:18.180
And just beautifully 60s as well.

403
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:18.720
It's wonderful.

404
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.839
Doesn't this feel very bond, you know, with the casino in there and everything.

405
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:22.619
Yeah.

406
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.579
Yeah.

407
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:27.839
But, I mean, Do you know what?

408
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.059
Some of this dialogue is threatening the guy.

409
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.980
No, look at a minute, where she goes, my talent lies in another direction.

410
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:36.839
Oh, that's a good title for a book.

411
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.160
Maybe I'll buy it from you.

412
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:39.240
I was going, oh God.

413
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:48.539
Yeah, but it should be ripe and cliche because it is a cheesy heist movie someplot on the holodeck that Felix has written for them.

414
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.920
I think Felix has got a little taste of melodrama, you know, is there at the keyboard, you know?

415
00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:59.940
Yeah, but I mean, you know, the show does science fiction cliches when it's playing it straight.

416
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.180
And so when it's doing a heist movie, it's got to do the heist movie. tropes and cliches and that way of speaking.

417
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.380
I think it's really great.

418
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:12.480
And it's not the sort of dialogue you normally get in Star Trek Deep Place 9.

419
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:13.380
That's what's fun about it.

420
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:14.700
It's not crap.

421
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:15.900
It's cheesy.

422
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.059
You know, it's cheesy and kind of period and cliched and stuff.

423
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:25.859
Oh, no, no, the dialogue.

424
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.960
But it's absolutely what you've got.

425
00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:32.700
Here's, you know, one special effect for Budder Bing Bellabang. special effect, he goes.

426
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:33.960
Odo's hand.

427
00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:36.900
Elongating to reach a glass.

428
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.000
It's not very good, is it?

429
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:44.519
I'm not sure why that would convince them that he's a sound guy, that he can stretch his arm out like that.

430
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:47.039
No, I just think it's...

431
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.839
But he does get the fabulous nickname stretch.

432
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:50.400
Stretch, yeah.

433
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.500
So good.

434
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:54.599
Oh, and he brings in Edgerie, doesn't she?

435
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:57.779
She looks cute as a button, you know, cocktail waitress dress.

436
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.539
And again, her hair, her 60s hair is pretty great.

437
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.140
And honestly, at this point, Nicole de Boa is part of this ensemble.

438
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:05.519
She's...

439
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:08.700
Yeah, well, we already saw that in hollow sweet, I think.

440
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.680
I think she's adorable.

441
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:15.420
Does she only gets really one episode, which is not all that great, isn't it?

442
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.240
It's like, oh, the one with the one with family business.

443
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.519
It may as well be an episode of family affairs.

444
00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:21.420
It feels like, yeah.

445
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:26.460
It feels very sort of 3 o'clock in the afternoon drama, doesn't it?

446
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.019
Yeah.

447
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.220
I can't remember what it's called.

448
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:30.240
I cannot remember what it's called.

449
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:31.980
It's called family business.

450
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:33.779
No, that's in season three.

451
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:35.880
What's it called?

452
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.940
It's it's before Emperor's New Cloak.

453
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.160
I see, absolutely, it's gone.

454
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:44.279
But she gets the, the one with giran, which I quite like.

455
00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:52.859
The one after the opening 2 parter, where she's kind of establishing herself on the station, and then she goes, Garak takes her out by calling her pathetic.

456
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.240
Yeah.

457
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.000
And I think she gets that one other as well.

458
00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:03.000
Well, I think she's always, I think she's very good, and I think people give her a rough ride because she isn't Jazia.

459
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.500
Yeah.

460
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.220
Look, I mean, it was a shame that Terry Farrell left.

461
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:09.660
She's obviously terrific.

462
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.460
Imagine her in a cocktail dress.

463
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.500
Yeah, yeah.

464
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:20.279
But then what she goes and does Becca or something with Ted Danson.

465
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:22.079
She realised...

466
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.819
For a while, but she gets kicked off it, I think.

467
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:30.180
I know, but she did enough seasons and you get enough per episode, I think, to justify not doing one more season of this.

468
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:31.980
Yeah, yeah.

469
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:38.640
I love all the look in their eye here, though. absolutely loving the fact that they're going to have to pull one over on the mob, you know?

470
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:40.980
Yeah.

471
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.180
It's just...

472
00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:52.559
Well, I love how they take it in a different direction and we obviously lose something by not having Chadseer there because just Terry Ferrell, so he's superbly great.

473
00:31:52.619 --> 00:32:01.859
But I think Nicole DeBor is really, you know, she's sweet and sort of elf and unlikeable and bubbly.

474
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.380
Very like that character on discovery, you know, a little bit androgynous as well.

475
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.240
Oh, okay, like Adira.

476
00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:09.720
Yeah, yeah.

477
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:10.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

478
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.440
Yeah, and younger too than Terry, I think.

479
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:15.779
This is so great.

480
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.839
So they're going to steal a $1000000 from the mob.

481
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:19.799
It's a highest.

482
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:22.200
It's so, it's just charming as hell.

483
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.099
So we go to an ad break.

484
00:32:26.099 --> 00:32:32.279
Oh, I did find that a bit a bit cringy, where they're all just going, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, we're going to have so much fun. you know.

485
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:35.339
It's a bit like the scene in Take Me Out to the Hollow Suites.

486
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:36.240
Niners.

487
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:37.019
Woo!

488
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.940
I love that though.

489
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.059
I think the final scene's a bit cringe.

490
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.000
This one nails the end of it really well, I think.

491
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:51.539
Now, we've got this man in the count room here, but do you know who's in the count room later on in the episode?

492
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:58.140
Yes, and I had forgotten, and I think that the 1st time you told me who it was.

493
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.299
It's the only thought.

494
00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:01.500
Surely not.

495
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:06.660
And then this time I thought, how the hell did I not notice that?

496
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.319
But you know what?

497
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:11.279
He didn't know at this point if Gowran was going to be in the last 10 episodes.

498
00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:17.400
So he said to Ira Bear, can I please go under the pseudonym, sire Nara.

499
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:24.539
Oh, all these scenes were Cassidy and this fabulously handsome guard.

500
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.579
I love them so much.

501
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:28.259
Nathan, did you go there?

502
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.019
high school in Northfield, Carolina?

503
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:33.599
She's so great.

504
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:43.859
And she's doing a period accent as if she's like a, you know, like a black woman in a, in a film from the 60s where she's kind of really, she's absolutely playing the accent.

505
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.140
I mean, look, it's just alive.

506
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.759
She looks gorgeous.

507
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.299
She's beautiful.

508
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.920
She's also the best kind of the episode for me, which later on when she goes.

509
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:56.579
I needed that money to buy a gift for my mama.

510
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.339
It's so funny.

511
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.119
So funny.

512
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:01.259
Oh, here we are.

513
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.539
Here's the Philadelphia cheese steak guy and cheese.

514
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.380
You are fired.

515
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.980
Yeah, we know we know he's a monster because you can shove a whole state gun.

516
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.119
Oh, look at Ezra.

517
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:13.739
Yeah.

518
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:19.139
You know, you know when they sort of take off their tops and all those spots go right down the neck.

519
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.840
Yeah, very sexy, isn't it?

520
00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.199
I'm not quite sure why That happens.

521
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.000
We get naked men.

522
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:29.099
Don't we get naked trill guys in the holiday?

523
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:36.480
We go to the Herbition spa in Way of the Warrior, and there's 2 very muscly men that Kira goes off with at the end of the scene.

524
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:41.340
Yeah, imagine having the job of painting the spots on. rubbing them off.

525
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.960
I volunteer, but they wouldn't have me.

526
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:43.860
They wouldn't have me.

527
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.239
In this state.

528
00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:46.619
Okay.

529
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.420
So they're getting Esrie in now, so she's got, what's she going to do?

530
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.860
She's going to poison the drinks.

531
00:34:53.340 --> 00:35:00.539
Yeah, so it's complicated, but it's all very carefully, carefully explained to us.

532
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.719
And the, you know, the convention is that you get a voiceover explaining the role.

533
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:16.860
As we watch people doing the thing that they need to be doing so that when it inevitably goes wrong, we know what's supposed to be happening.

534
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.599
Like we can tell that it's gone wrong.

535
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.840
And then the smarts is how they improvise around those problems.

536
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.280
But it does mean as well that they have to, because this isn't just a voiceover.

537
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:27.360
We get to see it as well.

538
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:28.320
Obviously it's television.

539
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:30.780
So they're having to film this bloody heist twice.

540
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.159
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:33.059
But that's standard.

542
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:34.260
That's what you do in a highest.

543
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:38.699
Do you see it go right while they do their voiceover explaining the plot?

544
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.760
And then you see it go wrong when it actually happens?

545
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.699
There is another reason.

546
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:45.840
Sorry, go on, go on.

547
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:46.800
You know what?

548
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:53.099
I just think that's a bit unusual for Deep So for Star Trek in this era because normally what you see on TV is what's happening.

549
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.880
You know, it's not normally things that people are imagining or that kind of thing.

550
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:05.099
It's normally the cameras telling the truth in Star Trek, but not here.

551
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:14.940
I was going to say, there is another motive behind doing these holiday episodes, and that is that they have these agonisingly long hours that they do this show for.

552
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.119
And this is a chance them to kick back and have a bit of fun, you know?

553
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:20.699
And I think that's a good excuse as well.

554
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.699
Yeah, give the actors something fun to do.

555
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.539
And we talked about how, you know, possession acting sometimes does that.

556
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.739
But this is, you know, a completely different premise.

557
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.840
Well, like, take me out to the holosuite.

558
00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:36.900
It was like a sports team film, you know.

559
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.219
Here we go.

560
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.000
This is the scene.

561
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:42.239
Yeah, oh, this is, yeah, yeah.

562
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.780
And it feels like a probably adult conversation, doesn't it?

563
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.980
It doesn't get hysterical.

564
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.579
It's not a, come on, B'lana.

565
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:51.239
Talk to me.

566
00:36:52.860 --> 00:37:07.260
Yeah, I mean, it's still very TVish. still a bit expositional, um, but like they both have very clear points of view, and they're both correct in all sorts of ways.

567
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.159
You know, like they're, they both have true things to say.

568
00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:15.780
I love other conventions. television.

569
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:16.800
Sorry.

570
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:19.500
It's just that we only need this scene between them.

571
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:24.300
We know Cisco is gonna be on board in the next scene, you know?

572
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.800
If he wasn't, then this episode wouldn't deliver, I don't think.

573
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:42.539
Yeah, I think maybe the one thing that a lie that it allides, which is a little bit of a shame, is why does Cisco agree to help out?

574
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:50.519
And that look on Avery's face there is, he's acting like her.

575
00:37:51.539 --> 00:38:03.659
Her final point has hit home that the only reason now someone wouldn't be allowed in Vic's isn't because they're black, it's because they...

576
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:05.519
And choosing not to be there.

577
00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:13.139
They're choosing to be excluded, to continue to be excluded the way that they would have been excluded in 1962.

578
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.260
And yeah, I don't know.

579
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:22.380
I think it would have been nice if his reason for going was that he loved everyone here and wanted to hang out with them.

580
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:26.880
But I do like that objection, and I do understand the objection as well.

581
00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:31.260
Yeah, but I think I'm, I, I am on Casting's point of view.

582
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.639
The way they craft the dialogue in that scene, no, man, it's so bloody obviously he's got to walk in that door.

583
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:36.840
What are we going to do?

584
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:38.280
We need one more person.

585
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:39.719
Oh, who's going to help us?

586
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.059
And then they all sort of wait a second, you know?

587
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:54.780
I think too, that, that, you know, the acceptability, the question about whether it's acceptable to participate in fix as a black person is one that only a black person can answer.

588
00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:08.039
And so having the 2 points of view, having both Cassidy and, and, um, And Ben talk, you know, like just talk about that and present the different points of view is exactly right.

589
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:12.360
So this is the us explaining.

590
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:17.159
So is the exposition of what they're supposed to be doing if it all goes absolutely right.

591
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.739
And I'm sorry, watch the camera work.

592
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:21.719
It is all over the place.

593
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:27.000
It's over those tables, up in the ceiling, close ups, zooming around.

594
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:33.420
It's it's not quite your discovery camera, but for the time, it is a lot more imaginative than what we normally get.

595
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:38.280
Is it supposed to emphasise the complexity of the plan?

596
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:47.519
The fact that the camera has to follow people around as they move through space because the whole plan is so carefully.

597
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.980
Like it's kind of supposed to be a bit fluid, you know?

598
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.179
Yeah, yeah.

599
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:51.659
Yeah.

600
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.300
Yeah, but it is not how, sadly.

601
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.940
Not that Team State is normally direct.

602
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.800
No.

603
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.260
And that is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

604
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:09.480
When you can highlight really creative direction in a comedy episode that isn't really there in the, you know, what are the biggies.

605
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:10.019
Yeah.

606
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.739
Yeah.

607
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.719
We watched in the Power Moonlight, which was a great episode, but they did The Direction was quite static.

608
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.099
Yeah, and I thought made some odd choices as well.

609
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.260
I thought there were some problems.

610
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.760
That was her 90s trek moment then.

611
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.559
She leaned over and he looked right up her skirt.

612
00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:26.519
Right down, yeah.

613
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.179
Well, it's also very 1962 moment, I think.

614
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:35.699
Oh, Cassidy is the victim.

615
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.079
Oh, it's just so noveless.

616
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:38.639
This thing here.

617
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.280
Yeah, she's trying to cry.

618
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:48.119
But the great thing is that she doesn't kind of blow it.

619
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:51.900
She doesn't kind of, because when she actually does that thing.

620
00:40:51.960 --> 00:41:00.539
When we see her do it. it's even better And in fact, there's something super presentational because this is selling us with what's going to happen.

621
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.340
We aren't hearing any of the dialogue.

622
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.519
And so her doing that comedy burst into tears.

623
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:06.960
And it would be so perfect.

624
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.639
In a regular episode of Star Trek.

625
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.800
It would be inconceivably bad to have a scene like that.

626
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.400
But in a comedy scene like this, it is amazingly good.

627
00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:20.340
I just love the way in the real world where she's like supposedly bawling her eyes out the 2nd she realises they're out.

628
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.380
She sort of wipes her eyes and goes, oh, see you.

629
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.340
She's off.

630
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:27.780
He looks up and she's gone, I think.

631
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.920
I know.

632
00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:32.280
So is the idea here that Odo is actually the briefcase.

633
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.239
Yeah.

634
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:34.500
Oh okay.

635
00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:36.900
So they all get a job, don't they?

636
00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:37.440
So hang on.

637
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:42.599
Nog is the fake security guard who's going to open The save.

638
00:41:42.659 --> 00:41:44.460
Ojo is the one who's going to carry the money away.

639
00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:47.880
Cisco's a high roller that's distracting a lot.

640
00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:48.960
So he's distracting everyone.

641
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:53.340
Kira's the sexy, sultry bird there.

642
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.539
Frankie eyes.

643
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.800
Mm-hmm.

644
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:58.079
What's Bashir doing?

645
00:41:58.139 --> 00:41:59.340
Oh, he's got the...

646
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:08.519
It's the one who puts the ipecac in the in the martini. and then you've got Ezri delivering it. getting rid of this 2nd guy in the count room.

647
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:11.280
And so it's all...

648
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:11.820
Sorry.

649
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.019
This montage.

650
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.420
I freaking love this montage.

651
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.559
This is everything I adore about DS9 and this cast of characters.

652
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:20.460
Look at that.

653
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.639
Rashir and O'Brien together concocting some scheme.

654
00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:26.699
No practising his move, really.

655
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:27.780
Practising on the safe.

656
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.179
And then it's just a door.

657
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.219
Look, it's a door in the bar.

658
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.320
It's just a door frame that's in the barn.

659
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:35.340
It's wonderful.

660
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:36.599
Oh, it's in the wardrobe.

661
00:42:36.659 --> 00:42:39.119
And then he opens the door and then entries there inside.

662
00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:40.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

663
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:41.760
As if she was in the in the safe.

664
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:49.139
But this next bit now, I a door where Odo helps Kira put her dress on.

665
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:50.760
Oh, look at her hair.

666
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:53.099
Look how sexy she is and that smile.

667
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:55.079
He kisses her on the shoulder.

668
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:05.340
And then Cassidy comes up to Cisco and sorts out his... is weirdly practising throwing dice as if you can be good or bad at that. don't quite know what's happening.

669
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:06.900
Oh, okay.

670
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.940
You see, a picture of me, of cool. here we go.

671
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:10.019
He's Avery Brooks.

672
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.300
There they go, walking down the promenade.

673
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:14.039
And this bit of music.

674
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.139
Just terrific.

675
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:17.519
God, I couldn't love them more.

676
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:20.219
Look at the look on Cassidy's face.

677
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.360
Quark, kind of like they're spending money in that other bar.

678
00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:26.639
Do you know what?

679
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:27.840
They walk in slow motion then.

680
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:30.360
The look on Cassidy's face was pure fucking sass.

681
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:31.920
No, you mess with me, all right?

682
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.139
She's so good.

683
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.699
Oh, there's more.

684
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.539
Yep.

685
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.320
Yep.

686
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:39.420
Yeah, he just nods.

687
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:39.780
Yep.

688
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:41.099
Oh here we go.

689
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.380
Okay, so the heist is on.

690
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:44.880
Yeah.

691
00:43:44.940 --> 00:44:03.539
And so it initially goes wrong in just one small way, and they recover from it, and you kind of, that's, like, I just think that's terribly good because it goes spectacularly wrong in a couple of ways too, or 3 things happen that they don't expect.

692
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.219
But the 1st one is gray.

693
00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:11.880
We've already been privy to the, obviously, the jack in the box, and we know that Felix will throw in a few curveballs.

694
00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:18.659
So then later on when he throws in Zemo, whoa, that's just him being a bit a little bit naughty, isn't it, at that point?

695
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.780
But it's also doing what a heist has to do.

696
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:28.980
Like, there's no fun in us hearing the plan explain, and then they go and do the plan and it just works.

697
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.699
That's boring.

698
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:36.659
What the point is, the reason we've seen it go right is so that we can more easily tell when it's going wrong later.

699
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.420
There are so many camera salves here.

700
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:45.840
I just watching the camera go from character to character, fading in and out, moving around.

701
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:48.960
It's just not how Star Trek is shot in the 90s.

702
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:50.099
No.

703
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.420
It's lovely.

704
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:59.340
There's a wonderful shot where the camera zooms right over the crabs table in a bit, which is lovely.

705
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:17.760
Do you know, Paramount was so happy with how handsome this episode looks that it was originally supposed to, I believe, last, but they held it back because they wanted it to be in the February sweet states because they thought this was the zinger in the middle of the season.

706
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:19.679
They were like, this is the one we really want to showcase.

707
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.679
Hey, Nathan, we could we could play foot season for the table.

708
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:27.059
Yeah, yeah.

709
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.280
Kira's just so gorgeous.

710
00:45:29.340 --> 00:45:34.559
There's something about that, that guard there, that buttoned up guard that Cassidy flirts with.

711
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:36.000
He's very handsome, isn't he?

712
00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:36.539
It's hot.

713
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:36.780
Yeah.

714
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:37.199
Yeah.

715
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:44.579
So, but this is so one of the count guys is going to call his mom, which means they've got 8 minutes, right?

716
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.260
because that's how long it takes.

717
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:52.380
Then the 1st thing happens here where the guy barrels into Ezri spilling a drink.

718
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.800
And she looks really, she's absolutely selling.

719
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:57.420
What the fuck do we do now?

720
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.980
Which is really...

721
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.659
Like, you can't just get 2 more drinks?

722
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:01.380
You know?

723
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:02.159
No.

724
00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:05.099
Well, but it's so the timing is super tight.

725
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.039
That was what, you know, like it's absolutely choreographed.

726
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:09.960
Each step depends on the previous one.

727
00:46:11.579 --> 00:46:14.340
She improvises brilliantly, doesn't she?

728
00:46:14.340 --> 00:46:15.599
She has to improvise too.

729
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:16.139
Yeah.

730
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.300
So they all bring something.

731
00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:19.320
We're okay for now.

732
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:20.940
We're okay for now.

733
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.980
Julian solved that one.

734
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:28.559
Ezri goes in, and then suddenly, instead of the guy who always has a martini every night.

735
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:31.139
She's concentrating on the martini.

736
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.000
She looks up and it's Gowron.

737
00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:35.940
You're not Howard, and Goward is so...

738
00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:36.659
His accent as well.

739
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.659
He goes, he's out with the flu.

740
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:43.139
You know, he's full on gangster dog.

741
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.559
He's doing absolute comedy gangster accent.

742
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:48.239
It's so It's really funny.

743
00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:50.159
It's really good.

744
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.960
Like this.

745
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:59.159
The way so the way that she gets him to drink it, is she's on, I really beeped you, mind if I drink it?

746
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:02.760
And then he says, oh, that's the saddest story overhoid.

747
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.420
He drinks it.

748
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.219
All right, so that problem solved.

749
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.619
So, Julie, that lovely shot over the table.

750
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.960
I've never got to stop going on about the music and the camera work because it's a one time I can bloody do it. much fun.

751
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.860
Yeah that's right.

752
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.960
Okay, so now that's everything's going to plan now.

753
00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:23.219
Okay.

754
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.780
So we've got rid of Howard.

755
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:25.920
We've got not Howard.

756
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:28.019
We've got rid of Gowron and the other guy.

757
00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:29.820
Cassidy's turn.

758
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.980
That man, that man over there.

759
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:33.840
It's not a stack of my chips.

760
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:35.639
You know what?

761
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:38.039
The thing is, though, she's not obnoxious, isn't she?

762
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:38.699
This character.

763
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.079
That's what I love about it.

764
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:42.239
She's really good.

765
00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:46.800
Because you remember when do you remember when she was at the table and she's going 24?

766
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:48.059
You're busted?

767
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:48.599
you know?

768
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:50.699
Oh right.

769
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.739
So now the man's Garon's.

770
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.360
Yep, now so everything's going to plan.

771
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:55.440
He's getting sick.

772
00:47:56.099 --> 00:47:58.199
Nogs going in to crack the safe.

773
00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:01.079
And Odo's already there as the trade that Ezri brought in.

774
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.420
Jesus Christ.

775
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:05.460
Doesn't he slide off the table, isn't it?

776
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:05.880
that right?

777
00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:07.920
Yeah, I hadn't realised, but maybe you're right.

778
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:09.179
Maybe he used to try.

779
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.699
Yeah, now we don't see it this time.

780
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:17.400
And so this is the 2nd thing that goes wrong is that Nog hasn't practised on the right safe.

781
00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:19.920
It's an auto relock. tumbler.

782
00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:24.480
So that presumably means, like, we don't need to know what that is.

783
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:25.079
Who cares?

784
00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:31.139
But what I'm thinking is, it must mean that if he gets halfway through and then gets it wrong, he has to go back to the beginning or something.

785
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:45.059
Did you know, did you know with this episode, it was supposed to be a bit of a metaphor as well of the arc in season 6 when the Dominion took over the station, the mob taken over the bar, and then them all happened to work together to try and get them gone?

786
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:45.840
And get rid of it.

787
00:48:45.900 --> 00:48:46.260
Yeah.

788
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.760
So if you'd done this in series 6, they would have played it like that, I think.

789
00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:52.320
Yeah, yeah.

790
00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:56.579
Oh, Kira, honestly, you flirt like mad.

791
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.300
But you know what?

792
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:58.500
Nan a visitor says.

793
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:12.539
So she's quoted as saying, you might think this is out of character for Kira, but actually during the occupation, She would have had to have flirted her way with a lot of Cardassian men in order to gain access to areas and do terrorist acts and things like that.

794
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.099
So, you know, even in a bit of fluff, she's there giving it a character rationally.

795
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:17.579
Yeah.

796
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.079
They're good actors.

797
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:19.920
That's why.

798
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:22.079
But I mean, she's beautiful.

799
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:25.500
That song is at his way where she's singing fever. fever.

800
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.400
Yeah.

801
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.940
I've said it before, but I think I was so hot.

802
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.559
Oh my goodness.

803
00:49:31.619 --> 00:49:32.219
Yeah.

804
00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:33.239
She's smoking.

805
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:37.920
I was trying to play the piano, but he can't keep his eyes off her.

806
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.280
Well, no. not a stupid man.

807
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:42.599
Yeah.

808
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:47.940
And the thing is, like, we, honestly, there's so much going on and we keep cutting back to Nog yanking up that safe.

809
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:48.539
Yeah.

810
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:52.320
Yeah, but like I find that properly tense.

811
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:57.780
I think because they've emphasised that they have 8 minutes and no more and nothing's happening.

812
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:05.940
They're all sitting there waiting for the next thing to happen and nothing, nothing is happening and here's...

813
00:50:06.659 --> 00:50:10.019
There genuinely is wall-to-wall music throughout this entire heist.

814
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:10.920
Like, it doesn't stop.

815
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.559
Oh yeah, he's great, isn't he?

816
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:14.760
is so good.

817
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:18.300
Now, he has been in Star Trek before.

818
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:28.139
He's in, yeah, he's in a series 3 episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, called the Vengeance Factor.

819
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:28.980
Oh, wow.

820
00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:33.179
And he's got like alien face space makeup on.

821
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.500
But he's a very distinguished, very, very prolific character act.

822
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:43.139
He has some pedigree doing movies of this ilk as well, which is why they pulled him in and they knew he could do it.

823
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:44.699
Oh, he's fabulous.

824
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.460
I love him when he goes, when were you in Miami?

825
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.940
It's really funny, you see?

826
00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:53.039
Because he's so fucking old.

827
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.440
I like the bimbories river, huh?

828
00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:56.820
You ain't no no.

829
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:00.840
That's so great. funny.

830
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:01.739
And you know what?

831
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:05.039
Even the music here reminds me of TOS is kind of going, dunno.

832
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.219
It's a very over the top.

833
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:09.360
But you know what?

834
00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:10.440
We want it a bit over the top.

835
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:18.300
Well, they're doing a comedy sting to go into the ad break to make fun of the fact of how they normally go into the ad break with just a really shitty stick.

836
00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:21.179
Oh, see, now their time's up.

837
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:28.019
Their time's up because the other guy, his phone call's finished and now he's going back, Julian spots it.

838
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:29.880
How do we stop him?

839
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:32.519
He says that Frankie eyes is outside.

840
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:35.400
He wants to chat with you. and he's like, okay, yeah.

841
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:36.719
I've not done anything wrong.

842
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:38.940
And he goes, then you've got nothing to worry about.

843
00:51:40.139 --> 00:51:44.159
It's the one time sitting out the deal pulls off an accent quite well.

844
00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:45.840
Oh, does he try doing an accent?

845
00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:46.500
I forgot.

846
00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:48.900
You've got nothing to worry about.

847
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.780
You know, he's like...

848
00:51:51.780 --> 00:51:52.920
I love Sidix, normal.

849
00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:54.000
Sid's normal accent.

850
00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:58.920
I like Cisco's diversionary tactic of just throwing all the money up in the air.

851
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.400
Yeah, that's an absolute low rent.

852
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:11.460
So that's the 2nd thing that turns up that goes wrong and it's really bad because it means that they have to do this while Zemo's here.

853
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.860
And Vic is absolutely. nailing it.

854
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.260
So Vic gets to be clever now.

855
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.039
Yeah, they all play their part by flirting with Zemo's girlfriend.

856
00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:23.460
He's clearly fucked Semo's girlfriend, apparently.

857
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.940
She does not seem to recall it, though, you know.

858
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.119
Frankie.

859
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:31.559
The money, Frankie.

860
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.239
Your grandpa?

861
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.900
You've done it now.

862
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:37.980
Bury him.

863
00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:40.440
Oh, I love it.

864
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.400
It's such a funny role.

865
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:45.480
He's so great.

866
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:47.579
Now, Cisco's just throwing money.

867
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.159
He can't think of anything else to do. create a diversion, all right?

868
00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:51.000
I just throw a bunch of money.

869
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.760
And there's a ton of shrewd and obvious, but...

870
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:59.940
They must have been throwing fucking money up all afternoon because there's a ton of shots there of people scrabbling about on the floor picking up notes.

871
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.920
He looks super anxious too.

872
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:06.659
Like he's throwing money, but he's absolutely, there's not a smile on his face. really anxious about it working.

873
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.179
This goes on for much longer than you expect.

874
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.320
Like, I think we cut back to Nog there expecting him.

875
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:15.420
You know, why are we saying?

876
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.739
Where's your suspense, though, isn't it?

877
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.079
It's like, 0 my god, they're not going to make it, you know.

878
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:20.159
Yeah.

879
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.500
Funny way to run a casino.

880
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.619
He's so great.

881
00:53:26.820 --> 00:53:28.800
Every notice that it's gone horribly wrong.

882
00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:30.360
Yeah, that's right.

883
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:31.320
What the hell are we doing now?

884
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:33.480
I think Nog's got a fucking nerve here, Gary.

885
00:53:33.539 --> 00:53:34.559
Yeah, piece of cake.

886
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:35.940
You took yourself.

887
00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:37.500
It was supposed to take you 30 seconds.

888
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:38.460
We took you 7 minutes.

889
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:39.840
Yeah, yeah.

890
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:41.099
More than 8 minutes, I think.

891
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.719
I think we only just, well, we had to distract the other count guy from going back.

892
00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:47.159
What's the funniest thing of all?

893
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.239
Oh, no, it's not funnier than Casta Yates and her crying, which is coming up right now.

894
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:53.159
That's hilariously funny.

895
00:53:53.219 --> 00:54:03.000
It's when they open the safe up, the huge TOS dramatic close-ups on everyone's face when they realise they're in the sewer, you know?

896
00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:05.400
Yeah, they're going to be busted.

897
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:10.800
The safe has no back wall, but they could have just gone in and got the money out of the back of the safe.

898
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:12.900
It's probably on the floor.

899
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:14.699
It's so great.

900
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:16.019
I just think that's really funny.

901
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:17.039
Oh, here she goes.

902
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:20.519
Oh, new to that money to buy gift for my mama.

903
00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:22.079
I love it so much.

904
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:23.400
So funny.

905
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.019
All right.

906
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.980
And so now she's seen that everything's going okay. and she just wanders off.

907
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.599
Like, doesn't say anything.

908
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.440
We get a comedy look to camera by the guard.

909
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:38.159
By the handstream security and the dick dastardly cartoon.

910
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.119
Now Kira's like, go on.

911
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:43.139
Show him the count room.

912
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.659
Oh, yeah, because she knows that it's gone okay.

913
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:46.559
She's seen.

914
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:47.099
Yeah, yeah.

915
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:48.599
It is, it's back.

916
00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:49.800
They've won, haven't they?

917
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:50.460
They've won now.

918
00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:52.260
Oh, no, she looks good.

919
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:58.860
As they walk out of the bar in slow motion and they all turn round at the bar looking smug as hell.

920
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:00.840
It's so cool.

921
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.539
Where's my money, Nathan?

922
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:06.659
He's so great.

923
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:10.559
And then we cut to the sexy ladies miming shooting someone with a gun.

924
00:55:10.619 --> 00:55:14.699
Which looks like what's going to happen to Frankie now?

925
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.099
is allowed the casino to be robbed.

926
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.739
Oh, I just love it when they all turn around here.

927
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:26.820
Oh, yeah, the walk of shame as Zemo is as Zemo escorts Frankie Eyes out of the bar.

928
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.019
The way, honestly, no one looks cooler than Cisco.

929
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:31.980
Look at how he turns around.

930
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:33.659
Oh, yeah.

931
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.260
You're out of it, boy.

932
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:38.579
It's kind of like he knows.

933
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.199
It's like Frankie knows.

934
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:42.659
He's been defeated by all of these people.

935
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.940
Oh, and then back to Vic Fontaines again.

936
00:55:48.059 --> 00:55:52.500
Yeah, which happens right behind you now on the zinc call here.

937
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:53.099
Yeah, yeah.

938
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:53.760
Yeah.

939
00:55:53.820 --> 00:55:57.539
It does make Vic Fontaine seem rather tame, though, doesn't it?

940
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.239
Yeah, there's no editude anymore, is there?

941
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:00.780
No.

942
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.579
And it's a tiny room now.

943
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.739
Look, it seems to be a much tinier room.

944
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.900
And this...

945
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.800
Oh my god.

946
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:10.139
Has any episode ever ended better than this?

947
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:18.539
I am a massive fan of musicals and like music like this in Star Trek.

948
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:20.760
And so we get 2 numbers here.

949
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:32.519
And I think that there's a musical in series 2 of Picard, where Dr. Girati sings this sexy song at a party and people were going, how does that happen?

950
00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:36.480
That makes no sense and she kind of, I was just kind of going, who gives a shit?

951
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.739
It's so great.

952
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:44.039
You know, absolutely that one of the best things in Picard. 7 in the killing game?

953
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:46.860
No, no, you are my son, someone.

954
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.280
And in Tinker Tenor, Dr. Spy.

955
00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:52.139
He sings that opera.

956
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.639
It's like, um, Tuvok, you understand, you are a Vokan man.

957
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.619
You have just gone without 47 years about.

958
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.059
It's so funny Now, why can't they sing?

959
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.920
Like it's delightful.

960
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:09.659
Avery Brooks's voice.

961
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:17.039
Oh, yeah, and you've got you've got Jimmy Darren, who we've heard singing in a bunch of episodes and then Avery starts singing and he's great.

962
00:57:17.099 --> 00:57:18.900
When he hits the rock, so good.

963
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.840
Where's till I draw you down.

964
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:23.760
Oh, he's so good.

965
00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:26.400
He's just got that fantastic tenor voice.

966
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.019
It's so terrific.

967
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:30.840
The funniest bit is when he goes, what is that?

968
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.940
Oh, nothing I can hear.

969
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:40.199
There's a great quote on memory alpha where Avery Brooks says, you know, and they were like, can you sing?

970
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:42.420
And he stared at them askance.

971
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.159
Like, can I sing?

972
00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:47.280
And, you know, and he's like, you know, tell him, tell him to come around.

973
00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:48.360
We'll practice it on the piano.

974
00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:49.739
And they're like, what key do you want to do it?

975
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.719
And he went, well, what key do you want to do it in?

976
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:52.860
I can sing in all of them.

977
00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:00.000
He's, I think his musical talents actually outstripped his acting talents.

978
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.940
So he'd done a lot of this before Star Trek.

979
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:05.280
It's so good.

980
00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:09.300
And look, we just panning slowly across these people that we love.

981
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:14.820
And none a visitor, I have to think that that's her reaction rather than Kira's reaction.

982
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.500
It's so beautiful.

983
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:17.519
I almost tear up.

984
00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:18.420
She loves it.

985
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:20.639
Look at caffidine.

986
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:22.500
You're an acid. boyfriend.

987
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:30.539
Well, excuse me, we know, you know, because in that interview, she said, this sexy, amazing boyfriend, Captain Sisco.

988
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.219
And my real life husband was really jealous every time I slog him because I meant it every time.

989
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.320
Oh, they're all laughing.

990
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:41.039
Come on.

991
00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:41.699
I know.

992
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.300
And the previous, like, let's go out to the hollow suite.

993
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:54.360
No, take me out to the hollow suite, is that awful, you know, crap joke at the end where they're all laughing at something that's not at all funny and it's super miserable.

994
00:58:54.420 --> 00:58:58.679
But this is so much fun. so much better.

995
00:58:58.739 --> 00:59:01.440
Cisco, this loose and enjoying himself.

996
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:02.940
Like, it's very rare.

997
00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:09.900
And I think that image of a white man and a black man singing and having fun with their arms around each other.

998
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.380
I cannot imagine a more perfect way to end a Star Trek episode.

999
00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:20.340
They're also both sort of wonderfully middle-aged and so it does have that sort of late rat pack sort of vibe.

1000
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.940
You know, there's a, yeah, it's just terrific.

1001
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.019
So, so great.

1002
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.340
I can't imagine anyone watching that and not coming away with a smile on their face.

1003
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.940
But I actually think that that episode is better.

1004
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:46.980
It's certainly more entertaining than some of the really, like, I love to be made to feel stuff by Star Trek, and there are some deep so sign episodes that I think are very, you know, everyone says the visitor, and that was in our top 10, because of course it was.

1005
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.699
It's really great.

1006
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:51.719
Okay, I can name that.

1007
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.000
That's right. past tense.

1008
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.079
Yeah.

1009
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:57.300
But something doesn't have to be heavy to be good.

1010
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.780
You know, it's not good because it deals with serious things.

1011
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.960
It's good because it's sort of entertaining and fun and well made.

1012
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.940
And that's what this is.

1013
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.219
This made me feel a lot of things.

1014
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:14.760
It made me feel extremely happy and jolly and I was having a bad day when I watched it the 1st time and I was having a great day when I finished.

1015
01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:16.860
Yeah, no, I think it's just terrific.

1016
01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:22.260
Do you think, like, comedy episodes in general then, that that is just a good idea.

1017
01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:30.360
In Sonia, that's something that they should pursue more of, or should it be the occasional, like, one off or a couple of times a year?

1018
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:36.599
I think that they shouldn't forget that it's a TV show and so it, and they don't, but we do.

1019
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:39.599
You know, people watching Star Trek.

1020
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:48.059
Memory Alpha people, watching Star Trek think that it's, you know, real events in the future happening to imaginary people.

1021
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:52.079
And that's not what it is.

1022
01:00:52.139 --> 01:00:58.139
Um, and I think that they have done comedy episodes in New Trek. absolutely.

1023
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:14.940
So, you know, late in series one of Strange New Worlds, there's an episode called the Elysian Kingdom, which in which everyone is sort of taken over by characters in a fantasy story, written by Benny Russell.

1024
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:22.739
And it has, it has fantastic scenes. is so funny in it.

1025
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:29.340
Like, the whole thing is really quite funny and silly and, you know, seemingly fluffy and inconsequential.

1026
01:01:29.340 --> 01:01:35.099
And then it absolutely goes for a gut punch at the end and he ends up being incredibly moving.

1027
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:36.719
Like it does a really good job.

1028
01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:38.699
But it does the comedy very well.

1029
01:01:39.300 --> 01:02:01.800
Yeah, so so I think Star Trek should do all of those things, it is super flexible, you know, it can do whatever it wants, and it should try to be entertaining in as many ways as possible, because Star Trek is a little bit like Doctor Who in some senses where you shouldn't know what you're going to get when you tune in every week.

1030
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:09.059
And I think I'm going to be bold now and you know how much I love Deep Space 9.

1031
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:18.539
But I think on the whole, in 90s trek, the comedy episodes of Deep Space 9 far outstrip what the other shows are doing.

1032
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:29.699
And I think it's primarily because of the quality of the actors and how, like, you know, Kira and our membership, she's the bond girl for and through.

1033
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.139
She's amazingly good.

1034
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.179
You know, they all commit to the comedy.

1035
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:39.960
So episodes like the Nagus, like Little Green Men, the magnificent Verengi.

1036
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:44.820
Take me out to the holiday suite in the cards, you know, they are just absolute gems.

1037
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:57.900
Well, I think the other thing is too, that, you know, we've talked about how Star Trek shows tend to have people who are defined by their jobs and what they're good at doing. because it's primarily about solving space problems.

1038
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:01.679
So your characters contribute to the solution in various ways.

1039
01:03:01.739 --> 01:03:13.619
I think here the characters are much more like sitcom characters because they have an outlook, a well-defined outlook that we're aware of.

1040
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.219
And they tend to react in ways that we can predict.

1041
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:21.840
We kind of know how Quark will react to something or how Odo will react to something.

1042
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:23.699
They have very well-defined points of view.

1043
01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:29.760
And having those well-defined points, if you means you can play off that and play with it and make them do different things.

1044
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:32.039
But they're like sitcom characters.

1045
01:03:32.099 --> 01:03:35.039
And so they slot very easily into a comedy premise.

1046
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:46.019
It's that time of the episode, and we are going to pick our next Star Trek episode to talk about.

1047
01:03:46.079 --> 01:04:00.059
I'm here on Untitled Star Trek project.com slash Randomiser, and I am going to choose an episode from 90s trek.

1048
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.619
All of 90s track.

1049
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.480
All of 90s track.

1050
01:04:03.539 --> 01:04:06.599
So next gen, Deep Say 9 Voyager or Enterprise.

1051
01:04:06.659 --> 01:04:08.760
Oh, I'll be down for any of them, mate.

1052
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:10.199
Yeah, me too.

1053
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:12.900
I think it'd be fun to do something that we know well.

1054
01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:22.559
I actually think by default of the fact that that was sheer heaven to watch that whatever you choose is going to be slightly more disappointing than this.

1055
01:04:22.619 --> 01:04:23.340
Yeah.

1056
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:24.179
But you never know.

1057
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:24.960
You never know.

1058
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:26.940
We even had a good voyager the other week.

1059
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.199
Yeah, we did too.

1060
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:29.460
Absolutely we did.

1061
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.380
All right, here goes, pressing the button.

1062
01:04:32.099 --> 01:04:34.019
Ooh.

1063
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.639
This is actually a good one.

1064
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:36.840
Okay.

1065
01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:38.280
That's a big promise.

1066
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:49.980
Yeah, so this is Star Trek, the Next Generation, season four, episode 12, the Wounded, was a very good episode.

1067
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:51.119
It is good.

1068
01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:53.880
So it's the 1st really big O'Brien episode.

1069
01:04:53.940 --> 01:04:58.739
It comes just after date's day, I think. think it's the 1st time we see the Cardassians as well.

1070
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:05.579
Yeah, with Mark Alamo as some gull random guy this week with a sort of funny thing.

1071
01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:09.539
The makeup is really off though, compared to what happens later.

1072
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.840
Yeah, and the costume is not what we end up with.

1073
01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:16.860
I think they've got sort of Beaumarish things going around their heads.

1074
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.119
There's a thing on their face, like some sort of a strange visor thing on their face.

1075
01:05:21.179 --> 01:05:21.719
What do you think?

1076
01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:23.820
We will have to rate them on the bow Moscow, then.

1077
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:24.539
You are aware of this.

1078
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:25.559
We will, yeah.

1079
01:05:25.619 --> 01:05:38.099
But this makes for a very boring kind of end of the episode choosing another episode thing, but I mean, those people who listen to Untitled Star Trek Project and complain that it's not random because we just keep picking until...

1080
01:05:38.219 --> 01:05:39.599
Yeah, someone said that to me this week, you know.

1081
01:05:39.659 --> 01:05:40.920
Still not cheating.

1082
01:05:40.980 --> 01:05:42.360
What do reckon?

1083
01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:45.420
Well, I think you should press it again and we should choose between the 2 about that.

1084
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:46.980
No, we're not allowed to do that.

1085
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:47.880
This is it.

1086
01:05:47.940 --> 01:05:49.800
It's gone if I press it again, it's gone.

1087
01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:51.119
Say it again, go on.

1088
01:05:51.179 --> 01:05:53.699
No, I'm going to say the wounded, right?

1089
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:55.619
We definitely do it.

1090
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.719
And then I'm going to press it again and see what would have happened if I'd agreed.

1091
01:06:00.780 --> 01:06:03.119
It'll be like devil's Jew or Fairhaven.

1092
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:03.780
Or something like that.

1093
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:04.619
I love Devil's Jew.

1094
01:06:04.739 --> 01:06:05.579
That might be that.

1095
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:06.300
Let's have a look then.

1096
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:07.800
It's going to be rocks and shoals.

1097
01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:11.579
That's season 6, episode two. phenomenally good.

1098
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.760
But we can't have 2 phenomenally good DSIs in a row.

1099
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:17.280
No, so, okay, so let's do that.

1100
01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:18.420
We'll do the wounded.

1101
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:26.639
And this is just, this is beyond the point where TNG's knocked out a whole year's worth of decent material.

1102
01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:28.980
And halfway through the next year.

1103
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.460
They've done best of both worlds, family, all this fantastic stuff.

1104
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.159
They're kind of riding high mid-season four.

1105
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:38.699
Yeah, no, season 4, they've already done best of both worlds.

1106
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:40.139
So they're having absolutely...

1107
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:42.480
Yeah, they're in that, they're in the ascension, you know?

1108
01:06:42.539 --> 01:06:47.219
Yeah, three, four, and five, I think, are really incredibly strong in 60s as well.

1109
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:51.900
Like this is absolutely from the golden era of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

1110
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:58.679
However, we have also revisited episodes where I have said absolutely amazing, like power play.

1111
01:06:58.739 --> 01:07:00.659
Maybe it's terrible.

1112
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:01.260
Oh yeah.

1113
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.480
I think it's pretty good.

1114
01:07:03.539 --> 01:07:04.739
There is some singing.

1115
01:07:05.099 --> 01:07:08.699
We will get calm column singing.

1116
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:10.679
Yeah, just enjoyable, is there?

1117
01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:11.460
I'm telling you.

1118
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:12.059
No.

1119
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:13.079
That's true.

1120
01:07:13.139 --> 01:07:18.719
I think, you know, we haven't done like a good, a really sort of gritty episode for a while.

1121
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:21.599
And this is some good serious drama, I think.

1122
01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:25.440
Well, Star Trek, the next generation.

1123
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:32.039
Yeah, it's a great generation scale. it's serious drama You are rude.

1124
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:51.119
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1125
01:07:51.179 --> 01:07:56.219
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1126
01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:01.440
This episode was recorded on the 13th of July 2022 and released on the 15th of July.

1127
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.820
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the Wounded.

1128
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:26.460
I think that's a good end, yeah.

1129
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:27.359
Yeah, I think so.

1130
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:30.720
We talked for quite a long time about at the beginning.

1131
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:31.800
That was so much fun.

1132
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.399
Holy shit.

1133
01:08:32.460 --> 01:08:33.119
That's a good episode.

1134
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:37.800
Yeah, I think this is going to be a good USDV episode as well.

1135
01:08:37.859 --> 01:08:39.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1136
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.720
Well, last week we were just sort of fucking bitching about how shit the show was.

1137
01:08:42.779 --> 01:08:44.460
I love listening back to that one.

1138
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:46.319
Oh my god.

1139
01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:47.340
It was enough.

1140
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:52.680
Because we really attacked it with some thought, you know, it wasn't just a bitch fesse.

1141
01:08:52.739 --> 01:08:55.380
It was like, this is why this is truly awful.

1142
01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:59.399
It was your turn.

1143
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.279
Yeah, oh, oh, shit, it is too.

1144
01:09:02.340 --> 01:09:02.640
Yeah.

1145
01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:07.979
I'm going to need some kind of device to show the thing on.

1146
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.000
Wait a sec.

1147
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:09.899
Safari up.