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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're in for a lot of special effects and a lot of space

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battles this week.

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Shut up.

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There are no special effects and no special.

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In fact, there's not even a space problem in this episode.

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No.

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Star Trek, Star Trek episode.

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This is DS9, the sitcom.

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Yeah, and we've had that before because this is kind of

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positioning itself as a sequel to House of Quark, which was

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the...

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The same characters.

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It's the same romance.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, one of the things that Star Trek can occasionally

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do, and what Deep Say sign can kind of, um, you know, frequently

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do is just hang with the characters because it's not a space

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problems show.

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It's not a Star Trek show in that sense.

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It's, you know, show set in the Star Trek universe.

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And one of the things that I always want when I'm watching Star

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Trek is to know what it's like to just live in this world rather

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than, you know, boldly go somewhere in a spaceship.

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I mean, like there's like a bold stab at saying, I think DS9 is at

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its best when it isn't doing what Star Trek normally does, which

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is I don't think it's ever really at.

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Well, we watch dramatis personae recently, which is doing a TNG

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episode.

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I think it was boring as hell.

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You know, this is really fun. the episode this is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think, like, what's the thing?

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The show just isn't set up to do space problems because it's not a

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crew.

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And while people are defined by their jobs, their jobs are things

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like, you know, bartender and stuff.

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So it isn't really set up for that.

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And what it ends up reaching for instead is kind of galactic

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politics and just kind of weird hang time on the station with the

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characters. basically the last 4 seasons.

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It settles on Eva, galactic politics or kind of like intense

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character dramas.

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Yeah.

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And it can do both of those really well.

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When it's at its best, it's when it marries the two.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, the way it does that, I think, is by having each kind

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of galactic power represented by a single recurring guest star.

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You think about Ducat, for instance, you know, he generally

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represents whatever the Cardassians doing, but he has a

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relationship of some kind with Kira.

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And so that works on a character level as well as a sort of

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political level.

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So they get to do that.

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Here, though, there's not really much galactic politics, it is a

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sort of funny thing because it is a kind of episode that doesn't

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rely on the premise to be kind of possible, except that everyone's

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kind of wearing latex and talking about made up history things and

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like all of that.

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And that's kind of fun because they're particular Star Trek

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things.

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So we still enjoy it as Star Trek, but it's doing something a bit

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different from what we used to.

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You know what I call this episode.

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I always used to call it the one where everyone's really horny.

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Dax is horny for wharf.

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O'Brien and Kira are horny for each other.

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Wharf is horny for grill car.

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Walk is horny.

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I mean, honestly, God.

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I mean, I've never related to a Star Trek episode more.

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Understandably, this isn't what some people are looking for in

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Star Trek. and I get that.

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And I have heard this episode criticise as, you know, being the

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antithesis of what the franchise should be doing.

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They're wrong, but...

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I think they're wrong.

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I mean, I like this a lot because the characters on Deep Space 9

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were always a bit better drawn and a bit more interesting than

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their predecessors on Next Generation.

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And so you can just give them fun things to do.

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And during the week.

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We posted, you know, like our top 5 TNG episodes.

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And while disaster didn't make it to my top five, it's very near

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there, and that is just because there's the most rudimentary space

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problem that you can get away with on TNG, and the rest of the

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time is just us hanging with the characters, and that's fun.

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Two of my 5 were family at lower decks and there's no space

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normally to be seen in those.

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That's just focussing on really well-drawn characters.

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I tell you something else that I was very aware of when I was

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watching this.

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And that is just how well Ron Moore.

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What a witty writer he is and how well he writes comedy.

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He also writes our man, Bashir.

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He also writes Better Bean by the Bank.

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He also writes, take me out to the holosuite.

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You know, he's a really funny writer.

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It actually makes me think of Battlestar Galactica, you know, and

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just how dour and bleak that is.

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Yeah, miserable, ladies.

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I'm doing it right.

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It's a phenomenal television.

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Superb.

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Man, no, man, it could have been lighted up a bit because this guy

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can write, you know, he can write comedy.

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But this is this is that kind of like, you know, because he also

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wrote one of your favourites as well.

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He wrote in the cars.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's wonderful.

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Gosh, I love that.

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And that's at the end of this season.

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This is right at the beginning of the season.

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That's right.

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And they're both kind of light, aren't they?

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And before the season gets serious, basically, you know?

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Did we record an in the cards?

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Yeah we do. commentary back in the day.

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So I have it sitting on my hard drive somewhere.

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We're doing a completely different podcast.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We should release another bonus of Star Trek project.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I, I mean, I loving the cards a lot.

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And it's precisely because it's hang time before we get a lot of

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action.

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And it's terribly enjoyable.

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And this, what, this is episode three.

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So presumably the 1st couple of episodes kind of tie up whatever

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was happening in series four, the Klingon war. things are starting

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to return to normal.

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And series 5 is a kind of weird interlude between the Klingon war

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in 4 and then the full outbreak of war with the Dominion in 6.

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So there's time for some high concept episodes and time for a bit

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of hang time as well.

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And I think I really like that.

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Friend of the podcast, James said that he thought that series 5

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spins its wheels a bit because we're in between 2 big events.

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And it looks like the Klingon war wasn't where they expected to go

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initially.

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So things are a little bit sort of strange.

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It was foisted upon them by the studio.

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They say we want we want to be things up with the Klingon.

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So they were originally going to do the Dominion War and that was

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going to start at the end of three, the beginning before and they

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had to put it aside for like a season and a half .

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Not to contradict that joke, but season 5 of DS9 is my favourite

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Star Trek season. the hit rate of episodes this year is

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phenomenally good.

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And to go back to something I said to you before as well, the

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diversity of what this show brought out before this episode is the

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ship, which is a very dark piece.

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After this episode is nor the battle to the stroll, which is as

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bleak as DS9, I guess.

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And then after that, it's like trials and tribulations.

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Like, this show is just knocking them out at this point.

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But you never quite knew what you were going to get from one week

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to next. really like that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that's, I think, you know, that's absolutely not what you

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expect from Star Trek, the Next Generation, or Star Trek, or even

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the Strange New Worlds, you know, you expect a space problem for

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competent people to solve.

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I think by instead having this sort of mad variety of characters

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and just any number of things that you could do, a different thing

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each week is a pretty good thing for Deep Shace 9 to aim for.

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It's just unpredictable as well, isn't it?

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That makes it really like I was never quite sure what genre they

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were going to tip their hat to from one week to the next and that

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was really exciting.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm ready to go and watch things. you know what?

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I think we're gonna enjoy this a lot.

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Yeah, yeah, I think we are too.

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I had real fun with it. when I was watching it last night.

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Let's get ready.

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All right, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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Oh, man.

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Who hasn't done this?

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Stood outside listening to people having an argument.

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Oh, this is so neat.

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So Julian is funny in this episode, but there's one or 2 scenes

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where I think he absolutely doesn't come off and there's one scene

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in particular, which I dislike enormously.

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Better not be thinking about that infirmary saying because I love

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it.

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Yeah, it's terrible.

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But this is adorable and it's very English as well.

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You know, like he's being caught, listening at a door and he does

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this sort of elaborate.

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Oh, my neck or whatever you know, and looks embarrassed.

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And this, because, you know, Berengi have comedy latex ears.

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And obviously, canonically they can hear things.

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He should have like twitter them a little bit, like an antenna, I

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should be, like, you know, just tune in.

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Oh, it's so funny, yeah.

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In a minute when Kfer goes in, he's like, oh, let's stop.

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Show's over.

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Come on, let's go.

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Well, the fun thing is, I was actually, here's Keiko, and I'm kind

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of going, wait, so what's happening here?

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Because I had forgotten that we were obviously at the stage of

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this sort of weird high concept pregnancy.

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No, no.

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At least they let her be pregnant.

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All right.

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They didn't shove up behind a console or in a medical jacket.

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Let the woman be pregnant.

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And she, none of us just says that.

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She says like, thank you so much for allowing me to actually, you

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know, take part.

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That's one episode where she beats the shit out of somebody with

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her baby sticking out.

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It's amazing.

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I think it's really good.

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And the reason that I think it's good is, and the reason obviously

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they went for it is that it gives Kira new things to do, and she's

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used to being physical, she's used to kind of being in charge, and

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now she has these, you know, O'Brien fussing over her and stuff

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like that and trying to restrict her.

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Oh, here we go.

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KK was wearing it as well, that sort of fabulous tuning.

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Oh, I love that. show up.

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And you know what?

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I, I, this is an episode where they're using Keiko for comedy and

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they don't do it very often with DS9 and I'm very grateful when

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they do.

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Because Rosin Chow is very funny.

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She really is.

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She fantastic. like him that baby?

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Disaster.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She sort of highlights of disaster.

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I'm trying.

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And I just put out some...

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And I just went out the lighting.

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Okay, I know I said I was going to talk about this.

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But this is so, so nicely lit compared to dramatis personae.

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I feel like, yeah, 4 seasons later and they're starting to make it

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look like home, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it's all that thing about the set is that there's just

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lots of interesting backgrounds that you don't quite know what

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they are and lots of practical lighting, no fucking reflective

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surfaces, obviously, but it is interesting to look at, I think.

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This was so nice because, I'll tell you what, there's one thing

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that kind of got wrong in the otherwise spectacularly wonderful

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season 4 of DS9.

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It's like warf was such a grump.

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Yeah, it's quite grumpy.

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Well, it's nice to see his eyes lit up, you know, he's a horny

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beggar.

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Yeah, seeing a nice, beautiful Klingon.

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Now, do you know what?

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The way that hangs around him in this entire episode, basically

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trying to get him to know his...

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I think that she's terrific in this.

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I think, you know, like, I think it works pretty well.

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She's a little bit too passive, but I do like that she takes

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control and later on she's described as the aggressor in their

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relationship because she's started. are coming on to you, Nathan.

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All right.

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This hug made me so happy.

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I just thought it was so sweet, the 2 of them meeting one another

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again.

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In a way, I was a little bit disappointed that Quark wanted to

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have sex with her because I thought that they kind of had a lovely

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relationship going.

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You know, she was going to tear his face off last time, but it's

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been a while and they kind of get together and appreciate one

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another as old friends.

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I like it a lot.

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I do like I do like the fact that they they give him a romance

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core.

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Yeah, you know, rather than just, you know, the latest dodgy

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deal.

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And House of Quark didn't go down that route at all, did it?

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They inadvertently became good friends because of they go

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through.

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He does touch the inside of her thigh and then get warned off.

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Interestingly, Almond Shimmerman says.

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I was reading memory alpha.

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I mentioned that says that he had a romance story in season two.

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Um, with, uh, I think it was a Cardassian woman.

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Oh, and he plays it uh, very over the top and like he says, like

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very hard on his sleeve and he didn't quite come off.

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And even when he watched it back, he wasn't all that convinced.

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And he says, no, no, for a romance, it's got to be a bit more

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quark, a bit more, kind of laid back and a bit more savvy, you

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know.

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And after he watched this one, he said, yeah, we got it right.

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We got the quaro, that's right.

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Yeah, I think I think it's really good.

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I think there's that bit where Dax says, actually, just don't be a

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massive dickhead on this date.

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You know, don't look at her.

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Don't look at her cleavage.

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Don't talk about wanting to have sex with her, like just chill the

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hell out.

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Um, and so he isn't, you know, he often, that's how they play

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Quark.

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I was watching he said not a note.

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And I was like, I'm not sure whether Quark gets the best lines or

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whether just Armand Shipman delivers them beautifully.

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Yeah, it's probably a combination of both.

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A bit where he goes...

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Sorry?

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Sorry.

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Just watching the opening credits properly for the 1st time in a

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while and the bit where the defiant goes past the cameras.

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I missed a bit with the 2 little people spacewalking across

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towards the pylon.

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I love that.

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It's the only bit of visual we trust to me.

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Yeah.

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Um, Okay.

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So here we go.

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Romance is about to begin.

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Yeah.

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Well, I can't recall why she's come here.

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Has she come here for him to look over the books?

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She's come here to be in this episode.

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It is, it is to look at the, so there's Mary K. Adams credit.

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Um, man, David, how many, how much mileage have they driven out of

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that bloody prune juice joke?

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Yeah.

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So, and there's Phil Morris, who was a sort of semi-regular guest

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star on Seinfeld.

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He was like Kramer's lawyer and he plays this hot Klingon

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bodyguard with just the best bone structure.

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When you get a look at him, he's really happy.

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Okay, I was going to say, I told you that me and my mother watched

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DS9 through. one of my fondest memories of her is the experience

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we had of watching this show from beginning to end.

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It was one or 2 that we watched together.

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And I vividly recall watching this one with her because she was

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obsessed with that click on bodyguard's arse and kept making me

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rewind scene so she could have a good look at it.

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Do you know, I have to say that I didn't notice it while watching

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but I will be keeping an eye out on it now.

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It's very perch.

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Although, as you did comment earlier, they do have ridiculous

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space, Dave, Tupac and Tomak. or something.

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Well, it's better than what was it, Carly and Kaz?

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So one of them was in-house of Quark, as far as I can tell.

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So the old guy is the guy who was advising her before and who

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married the 2 of them, I think.

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Oh, look, there's Andrew Robinson's director's credit.

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Oh, here is our handsome Klingon.

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Straight away, this house, house of quiet vibe, though, doesn't

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it?

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He's like, oh, he's in trouble with that. going to have to fight

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this Klingon. you know, we know this is where we're heading.

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Yeah, eventually.

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Yeah, this is one of 3 episodes.

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Yeah, look at this lift.

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Look at the lift.

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The lift comes up in the ops. with the jerkiest possible way, like

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some stage...

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And you know, right?

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This is our big special effects shot of the episode is the lift

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comes into off because we're just not doing anything else.

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They've got going in our station.

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That's your special effects budget, all right?

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So crappy.

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Just so low effort.

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I love to spend a minute wear robe.

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Where she goes, just a wharf.

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It sounds like you've got a terrible case of, oh, muck.

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And then Cisco comes out and goes, oh, is it catching?

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Like, I just like, they've actually got some decent workplace

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banter.

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You know, what about what about this?

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I think this is really good.

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Because it's the sort of bullshit exposition scene.

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And there's a little bit of, as you know, Bob, where Dax explains

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Klingon houses to Walt in this.

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But if you haven't seen the previous episode, this is enough for

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us to get the relationship and here's Avery being relaxed as how

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and...

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And you know what?

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You can wish throwing that ball up.

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This is only seen.

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Yeah, it is, yeah.

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This is another thing, which is very unlike a lot of other Star

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Trek, is they'll very often put the captain sort of front and

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centre, whereas Avery Brooks.

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That was him back.

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I think that's him.

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He's looking fine.

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I know you've got something to say about this, Steve, between

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Bashir and O'Brien.

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No, yeah, yeah.

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So one of the things that I was a bit apprehensive about going

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into this episode, and I had seen it at the time, but it had been

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a long time, is that I think that 90 Star Trek does sex very

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badly.

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And, you know, the Delaney sisters in Voyager or whatever.

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Yeah, that sort of banter is really shit.

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I think that there's something just a bit depressingly adolescent

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about that scene.

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Like, this...

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Well, this scene feels like a favourite for Harry Kim and...

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I tell you what, the, the, it's a small station line, which is

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something that they say all the time because rumours get around

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and he just goes, it's a new station.

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You know what?

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They reveal in one episode, it's always ducks.

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She's always the one spreading all the gossip about everybody.

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Spreading the rumours.

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A hub of gossip and then she spreads it off everywhere else.

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And again, the O'Brien Kira subplot in this has been heavily

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criticised.

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Actually, watching it this time.

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I thought it was quite restrained and it was really well active as

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well.

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It's not really appearing, I believe, but in the performances, I

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did, I believed it in the moment. especially that moment where

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we'll get to it later, but where they realise they've crossed the

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line.

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And I think...

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Oh, that funny line there too.

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But we've all been there at one point or another, you know.

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So this, I hate this, you know, like they're all adults.

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She Kira's pregnant.

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He's helping her out of the bathtub and Julian's going, oh, I bet

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you cop to look at her tits and stuff.

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And you kind of think, oh, come on, can we grow up?

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That's really just a bit pathetic.

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Oh, sorry, Nathan, I've had this conversation before.

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Like, probably, probably last week, if I'm on this.

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It's all right if it's a guy, though.

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No, I mean, it's I just think that that just is a little bit

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depressing.

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And Julian just comes across, like, it's, it's pervy. you know

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what I mean?

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She's vulnerable in a medical condition and it's kind of like, uh

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you know, like I bet you looked at him, like a...

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There's that scene and there's the scene with Odo later, where

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they're having to shoot Horn in the regulars, aren't they?

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And they're trying to give them funny things. too.

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Oh, this is brown.

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There he goes.

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I love the way Warp is doing...

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Wolf goes, I will apologise.

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I apologise.

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And then the look on Vaughan's face when he's being tossed across

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the room.

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Right.

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But you know, he orders another drink, but just with hand

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signals.

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I'm not the biggest fan.

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I've got to be honest.

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And I do I feel as if his best episodes of DS9 are his best

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episodes. he was given a handful of these episodes of TNG, but I

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don't think they did that much with him.

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However, I really liked how, Oh, pathetic they let me do in this

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episode.

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Like, a bit he's a bit castrated here, isn't he?

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But it makes me like it.

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You know, because he's always so...

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I like this scene.

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This scene here with Turmac or whatever his name is from the

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previous episode.

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So, yeah, to make space name. is actually pretty good.

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And again, it gives us important backstory for Wharf, because I've

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forgotten whether he was commended or discommended at this point

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in the show.

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I think you'll find there's a continuity area here, though.

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Because I say you, you've never pursued a Klingon woman before.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But what about, yeah, Kayla?

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Susie Blackford, yes.

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Well, he didn't really get the chance to pursue her, did he?

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He didn't quite...

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Alexander?

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They just, yeah, they just boned.

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It wasn't really a thing.

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She was half human, wasn't she, as well?

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And and they had sex and then he said, well, now we're married

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then and she said, no, thanks.

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And so it wasn't quite the same.

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But do you know what?

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That that attitude of his.

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Oh, that kind of...

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It's almost like Christian attitude, is it?

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Right, well, we've done it now.

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We've got to come here.

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We got to get married.

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That's why him and Dax worked so well together because she don't

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play by none of the rules.

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And so there's tons of conflict there isn't it?

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Yeah, and he he actually doesn't really want to do it either.

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You know, like he agrees with her that that's not where this is

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going to go, which I think is pretty good.

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Um, so I really, I think that this is where, obviously, where this

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tumac, Jesus Christ, I don't know what that guy's called.

503
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:13.559
Um, this is the scene where the kind of Cyrano de Bergerac thing

504
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:14.759
starts to kick off in this.

505
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.220
I'm a bit in the dark about that.

506
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.900
I've heard this illusion made.

507
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.160
It's a fair note, but is it?

508
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.619
Yeah, I...

509
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.700
It's an incredibly ugly bloke with a long nose who can't get the

510
00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:27.000
girl.

511
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:30.839
And what he teaches somebody how to romance.

512
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:33.180
Yeah, how to woo her.

513
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:40.079
Um, you know, from the, um, you know, from the sidelines and

514
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:40.380
stuff.

515
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.200
And it's a thing that's been done over and over again in sitcoms

516
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:43.559
and stuff.

517
00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:46.079
I know, but it... and Quark.

518
00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:47.519
I mean, that's it.

519
00:23:47.579 --> 00:23:52.380
And they've already made the point of expressing antipathy.

520
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:58.799
So, you know, Worf says that Cork's opinions don't matter in any

521
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.059
way.

522
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:06.240
And so here we get this sort of conversation where, I don't know

523
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.619
why is he coming to Dax?

524
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:10.380
He goes, oh, come on.

525
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.440
Isn't there a secret handshake or something just to get me get me

526
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:14.099
to the good stuff?

527
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.000
Yeah, leap on each other like a pair of crazed volts.

528
00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:23.400
Is that just because she's had a lot of sex for, you know, in

529
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.779
various lifetimes, being 100s of years old and so he comes to

530
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:28.019
her?

531
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:29.700
I think so yeah.

532
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:36.720
Yeah, and she is the one who is the most kind of chill, kind of

533
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.019
the most adult in her approach to sex, isn't she?

534
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.019
She's like, she just enjoys it.

535
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:45.599
Do you remember that one when they're true initiative?

536
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:48.720
Oh, just turns up and he turns up at her quarters and then the man

537
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.940
walks out, draped in a towel.

538
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:55.440
It just goes unspoken and he just looks at him like, and then the

539
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.279
scene just goes on.

540
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:02.099
But also as well, like she doesn't blink an eye when she falls for

541
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:07.259
Lenara Khan in rejoins, you know, she's on the rise of planet with

542
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:08.039
Vanessa Williams.

543
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:09.720
She's clearly getting her rocks off air.

544
00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:12.359
Like, she's just a good time girl and she...

545
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:14.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:18.720
But like just an absolute grown-up attitude to sex, like not a

547
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.079
kind of, not the sniggering adolescent thing we got from Julian

548
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.440
just now.

549
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:28.079
What I love here with Quag is the fact that they did, given the

550
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:32.460
depth of characterisation, for him to want to understand her

551
00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:36.960
because it is more than just sex, he's really interested in her

552
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:37.259
you know?

553
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:38.220
Yeah.

554
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.900
Well, yeah.

555
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.640
I mean, he's doing whatever he needs to do.

556
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:42.119
Yeah maybe.

557
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:42.839
Well, maybe.

558
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.140
So, they do phone it, and then we never...

559
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:46.859
And that's it.

560
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:47.160
Yeah.

561
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:48.599
So it really is boning.

562
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:55.559
But this is really good because Worf, in spite of himself, starts

563
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.279
to talk about what he would do and of what he's planning in his

564
00:25:59.279 --> 00:25:59.519
head.

565
00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:04.500
And despite what Turnak or Tumok or whatever his fucking name is

566
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.759
said before, he turns out to be very good at it because it works

567
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:09.539
really well.

568
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:14.099
And in fact, Gurilla's response to this advice is far, far better

569
00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:16.680
than we have a right to expect.

570
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.480
Okay, here's the B plot.

571
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:25.680
And I think that this conversation is just like bafflingly

572
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.220
terrible.

573
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:26.940
Why?

574
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:27.900
I thought...

575
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:29.579
This was not...

576
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.819
What I love is the fact that Keiko walks in, right?

577
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.420
And she's just completely oblivious to what's occurring.

578
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.839
And she's like, don't stop on my account when they're about to

579
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.500
snob, you know?

580
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.759
Yeah.

581
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:45.960
Well, look, I mean, the thing is that for this episode and for

582
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:50.880
there to be drama, there has to be this look at her in that top

583
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.960
she looks fantastic.

584
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:55.920
Holy crap. doesn't Keiko look spectacular.

585
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:58.380
She's brought abreast with her to this scene.

586
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.759
The moment I really like, okay, maybe you find that Sinanga. the

587
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.299
2nd where she says, oh, I could do your worse things than spending

588
00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:08.759
2 weeks alone in Ireland with you.

589
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:10.259
And the way he says me too.

590
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.660
You know, we've had that moment.

591
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.940
We've all had that moment where you're like, and you're looking at

592
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.799
that person, oh, what's happening here?

593
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:22.859
And I think, um, in the aftermath of this, Ron Moore actually says

594
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:28.319
he thinks this plot is the one he's most proud of because this is

595
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.880
kind of real, this is real.

596
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:32.039
This is what kind of really happens in people's lives.

597
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.339
You don't have people with VR sets, fighting with bat thefts to

598
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:36.720
win the Klingon woman, you know?

599
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:38.339
Oh, that bitch.

600
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:43.740
Oh, look at that.

601
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.880
Look at that.

602
00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:46.740
She's enjoying that massage.

603
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.759
I know.

604
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:51.059
So can we talk about the pregnancy bump?

605
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.619
Go on.

606
00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:56.880
So they've allowed her to be pregnant in this sort of space way

607
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:01.680
which I think is great and it does let the actor do new things and

608
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.599
all of that's terrifically exciting.

609
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:09.900
That pregnancy bump is now an adult, um, because this episode was

610
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.619
broadcast in 19, uh, 96.

611
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:20.160
And he is, he's her son with Alexander's city.

612
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:24.059
Do you remember the scene in the 1st episode of this season where

613
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:28.380
she goes to Bashir, well, this is all your fault and he goes, my

614
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:28.799
fault?

615
00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:29.819
And she said, yeah.

616
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.180
Oh, they deliberately put that in.

617
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.200
They referenced it.

618
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.579
Yeah.

619
00:28:35.579 --> 00:28:38.759
Because it was his fault. great.

620
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:42.960
And he's beautiful because he has 2 beautiful parents, this young

621
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.319
man.

622
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:45.480
So you want to feel old.

623
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:47.400
Just, um...

624
00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:48.660
Yeah, they do.

625
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:49.079
Yeah.

626
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:52.740
Django and her pod have a podcast where they talk.

627
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.660
So just Google him.

628
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.160
I'm sure that you've already done that.

629
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:56.640
Oh my god.

630
00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:58.200
Of course, of course he's listening.

631
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:00.720
The Klingon opera. in the dark, in the defier.

632
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.880
Yeah, that's...

633
00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:04.740
Actually, actually, I quite like that.

634
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.339
You know, Cork gets the best line here at the minute where he goes

635
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:11.099
you know, his attitudes like that, the stuff you people getting

636
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:12.539
invited to really good parties.

637
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.180
Yeah, because you're big racist.

638
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:20.460
I actually kind of like the thought that Wharf still remains a bit

639
00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:21.839
of an outsider.

640
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:26.819
And so he has his own set to go in and, you know, moon about him

641
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:28.680
and it's different from everyone else's.

642
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:31.079
I like the fact...

643
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.200
Well, I think they kind of had to do that because they didn't

644
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.599
really want to dislodge Kira as the 1st officer.

645
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.380
So like, okay, well, he's the 1st officer on the Defiant, you know

646
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:42.900
the Starfleet part of the station. which kind of makes sense.

647
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.259
I really like the chemistry between my daughter and Arm and Chim

648
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:48.359
but they're both really good actors and they have raising this

649
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:48.660
guy.

650
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.539
What I really like is the fact that they kind of get on fairly

651
00:29:51.539 --> 00:29:52.680
well with this.

652
00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:56.099
But the tension between the 2 characters after it just remains

653
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:57.960
right until the end of the series.

654
00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:01.500
They don't like each other and Quork is making terrible comments

655
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:03.599
about war right up until what you be behind.

656
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.539
It's funny, isn't it?

657
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:10.200
Because obviously Odo and Quark are the natural pairing, and the

658
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:16.500
reason that they are opposites is their attitude to rules.

659
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.700
But it's the same with Warf and Quark as well, the reason that

660
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:22.019
they dislike each other is...

661
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:23.759
I mean, Warf don't realise...

662
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:24.720
Remember that?

663
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:24.960
No.

664
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:30.240
Odo when he says, you know, make sure you don't invite anyone

665
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.880
round and Odo's like, of course not, you know, that will only

666
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.819
invite subsequent visits. you know?

667
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.400
Yeah, yeah, miserable pair.

668
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:41.819
This is a weird scene, a weird scene in this episode.

669
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:49.019
Um, So yeah, so this is where, obviously, Werewolf agrees to kind

670
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.619
of help further because he's been so spectacularly successful.

671
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.599
But it makes sense, doesn't it?

672
00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:58.680
Because he wants to prove that he can woo a Klingon woman.

673
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:00.299
That's that's his most opinion.

674
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.099
It's not so poor he gets his rocks off.

675
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.119
No.

676
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:03.900
Did you see that?

677
00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.779
Beauty and the Beast sweep down there for that.

678
00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:12.000
A massive set with a big ceiling, and we'll never see it again.

679
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:14.759
I mean this is...

680
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:17.819
Oh god, this is so funny when he tries to talk Klingon.

681
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.740
Can't get it right.

682
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.500
This is what I sound like, trying to talk other languages, though.

683
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.000
These scenes uh, uh, a bit shit.

684
00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:28.500
These fine scenes.

685
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.559
No, no, when he goes...

686
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:32.099
This is ridiculous.

687
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:34.500
My shoes are dripping in blood.

688
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.799
I'm surrounded by corpses and you want me to feel romantic?

689
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.460
It's just how delivers these lines.

690
00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:42.000
It's great.

691
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:44.279
Yeah, yeah. is pretty good.

692
00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:45.839
I do love his outfit too.

693
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:49.079
Like, did KLS wear that outfit?

694
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:53.759
I hope so, but it absolutely is the sort of thing... quite aware

695
00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:54.960
all of the moves.

696
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.599
So he was he was doing all of this physical stuff.

697
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.460
And he's quote, the same memory alpha.

698
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.460
I was pretty nifty with a bat left by the end of this episode, I'm

699
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:02.700
saying.

700
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.440
I actually wondered because, you know, there are a lot of scenes

701
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.799
of him shot from behind where it's just the big latex bumhead

702
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.740
thing happening and that could basically be anyone.

703
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.579
Uh, you know, Max could be in there with a ballet. does an

704
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.480
extraordinary thing.

705
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:22.980
We'll get there. where he's being puppeteered and how he acts that

706
00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:24.599
I think, it's so real.

707
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:27.420
It's like, oh, he's judging about all over the place, you know?

708
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:31.799
Although we'll get there because it kind of kicks in at a

709
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.259
particular point in the scene where we need to be reminded of it

710
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:37.500
and he doesn't bother doing it for the beginning of the scene.

711
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:43.500
Is the problem too, that Quark is funny and Wharf is really

712
00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:43.920
boring.

713
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.900
But then, I mean, the controls kind of works quite well then

714
00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:49.380
doesn't it?

715
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.819
It makes a quirky funnier.

716
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.099
I realised as well when I was watching this, they could have

717
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:56.220
played this a different way. and I'm glad they didn't.

718
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:00.660
They could have had that deliberately, you know, like tempting to

719
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:05.220
convince warf to help walk because she, but actually none of it's

720
00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:06.000
played that way at all.

721
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:07.140
She is there.

722
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.299
Basically holding up a placard to warp saying, notice me, please

723
00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:13.079
I'm hot for you.

724
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.880
We didn't, I don't think we noticed at the time, but there's a

725
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.559
time where he is saying what he would say to Grill Car, and she's

726
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.279
just looking at him like totally dreamily as if he's saying it to

727
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.859
her, which I thought was kind of cute.

728
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.960
But they were, do you know?

729
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.380
Do you know why they why they pursued this?

730
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:39.000
Because they didn't write for Michael Dorn and Terry Farrell, to

731
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.680
be flirting with show in series four.

732
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:45.119
But you go watch such things and they are they are hungry for each

733
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.220
other in some of those states and they were like, we've got

734
00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:47.700
something here.

735
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.599
Let's write this.

736
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.319
Well, it's that 1st episode.

737
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:53.700
Isn't it in Way of the Warrior?

738
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.920
He goes to see her in her Klingon callisthenics program or

739
00:33:58.920 --> 00:33:59.220
something.

740
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.240
Well, yeah, you don't have to do that to impress me. not trying to

741
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:03.660
impress you.

742
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.980
Yeah.

743
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:09.000
So what's what's Renee doing?

744
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.300
It's so weird.

745
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.639
I mean, mild.

746
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.820
Yeah, yeah.

747
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.219
But he's playing it so strange.

748
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:21.360
Is he jealous?

749
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:22.380
What's going on here?

750
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:23.219
She's jealous.

751
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.119
What's the fuck?

752
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.619
It's really...

753
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.739
What part of the family are you?

754
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.480
What part of the sister, cousin?

755
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:33.420
You know, like it's it's really...

756
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.420
I like to say this, but I work with a load of sarcastic gifts like

757
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:37.559
this, you know, honestly.

758
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.119
Yeah.

759
00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:43.739
It reminds me of his performance in Take Me Out to the Holosuite.

760
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.099
And so I'm assuming that he just gets more like this as the show

761
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:51.239
goes on where he just gets to chill and be Renee and be his sort

762
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.099
of weird sitcom actor.

763
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:54.059
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.099
He can be a bit less of a space person.

765
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.460
Do you remember him beyond that piano in his way when he's rocking

766
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:00.719
out beyond that piano?

767
00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:01.739
He's having a great time.

768
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.420
Yeah.

769
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.679
Oh, you're right.

770
00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:07.559
It is, it is particularly bitchy, that scene.

771
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:11.579
And compare that scene to the scene when Kira was coming on to him

772
00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:13.739
and for a dramatic Sone, I think.

773
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.079
It's like chalking cheese, isn't it?

774
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:17.880
Oh, yeah.

775
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.739
I would have had a great time in the hollow sweet.

776
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.579
Oh, there's his bum.

777
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.920
Look I've spotted it. he's turned around.

778
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:24.119
Oh, kind of mad.

779
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:25.980
You can tell what religion he is.

780
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.300
All Naparia nails.

781
00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:27.900
Or two.

782
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.579
We can add that to the drink list.

783
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.019
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:32.639
Get some Tronia, you.

785
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:35.400
Weeklings.

786
00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:40.019
Is she is she interested in him because he's making a lot of

787
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:42.119
effort or is she already interested in it?

788
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:50.760
Um, well, I think that she likes him and she knows his kind of a

789
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.679
worthwhile person and he she is grateful to him and he just steps

790
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.460
in and helps.

791
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.460
You know, there's that that affection that's in the 1st scene when

792
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.300
they just hug.

793
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:00.840
I like it.

794
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:03.960
But also as well, I really like the fact that there's lots of

795
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.539
behind the scenes interviews after House of Quarter, but she had a

796
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:07.920
last play in the role.

797
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:10.260
She'd love working with Armand Shem, but there's that great story

798
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:13.199
about him saying how agonising it is in the makeup, like if you

799
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.519
need to talk to me, come find me.

800
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.440
So they wanted to work together again.

801
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.619
And I think you can kind of extends to the audience, you know?

802
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:25.139
I think they go to more effort to make her look beautiful as

803
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:25.320
well.

804
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:28.559
Like, the makeup is a bit more feminine, not the forehead makeup

805
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:35.820
but like, she's generally kind of less odd looking, less...

806
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:37.679
I think she played a regular at Babylon 5, you know.

807
00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:40.559
Ah, okay.

808
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.579
You're not sure what that's all about.

809
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:42.119
Is it good?

810
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:42.780
No.

811
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.340
I'm a bit distracted by Topok or whatever his name is because he

812
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:51.300
is absolutely selling this scene.

813
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:53.519
And, yeah.

814
00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:54.719
So you there we go.

815
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:58.260
This is exactly the same scenario that we were heading towards.

816
00:36:58.440 --> 00:36:59.760
Okay.

817
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.320
But the solution is, but in, out of pocket was, you had to use his

818
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.760
brains to get that out, think, sort of Klingon tradition or use it

819
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.800
to his advantage to get out of that, whereas here, it's, it's a

820
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.559
sci-fi concept. gone crazy.

821
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:20.820
Yeah, I like this technology, but we never hear from again.

822
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.219
We'll get there because I actually think that's a really good

823
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:26.699
thing.

824
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:31.079
And what stops this from being something that any show could do

825
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.219
that had weird latex face people talking about the distant past

826
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:38.460
and stuff. to being a Star Trek show.

827
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.679
Well, we just had a scene, Modo saying, well, nothing's going on

828
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.320
and there's all this thing piling up, I know Briar's not doing

829
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:46.619
anything.

830
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.780
And he's just walked into his quarters and said, well, I've got

831
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:49.199
off early.

832
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:51.840
There ain't much happening today.?

833
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.920
Yeah, there he is goofing off. is absolutely good for you.

834
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:57.960
Oh, I love this line in the minute where she delivers it

835
00:37:57.960 --> 00:37:58.440
perfectly.

836
00:37:58.500 --> 00:37:59.579
Are you 2 fighting again?

837
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.860
She's talking to a parent.

838
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:08.280
So she eventually decides to just go and bone Shakar, is that

839
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:08.460
right?

840
00:38:08.579 --> 00:38:09.719
Who Kira?

841
00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:11.099
Yeah.

842
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.820
Yeah, I think so.

843
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.739
Yeah, she's still in that relationship now, isn't she?

844
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:17.039
Yeah.

845
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:17.880
Yeah, yeah.

846
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.340
They write him out towards the end of the season because the act

847
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:22.800
is no longer available, so they're just summarily riot.

848
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:24.719
Oh, now okay.

849
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:27.659
But in the same breath, they wanted to pursue the Odo court thing

850
00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:28.079
as well.

851
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:29.039
Odo, Kira.

852
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:29.460
Sorry.

853
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.000
I don't Kira relationship to the Odo Quark relationship.

854
00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:34.199
I'd have been there for that.

855
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:35.940
I do think Kao's a bit dense here, though.

856
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.199
Like, you know, off you go.

857
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:40.440
YouTube to this nice romantic place in Ireland, you know.

858
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.119
No, but don't you think that she's the one being the grown up

859
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.199
here?

860
00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:46.860
For sure, yeah.

861
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.940
You know, they need to fall in love because it's the title of the

862
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:54.000
episode and that's a thing or fall in kind of last, like they want

863
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.079
to have sex.

864
00:38:55.139 --> 00:39:01.139
But it would also be nice if we were all a bit past that.

865
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:03.599
And like, I don't think that's a space people thing.

866
00:39:03.659 --> 00:39:08.159
I think that's just a normal person in control of themselves thing

867
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.239
if it had just been, you know, they have a close relationship.

868
00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:15.420
I know what this going on in life than you are.

869
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.159
No, I'm sure you're right.

870
00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:18.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.179
Oh, no, this is where he says it.

872
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:21.719
Come on.

873
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:24.239
Surely there's a Klingon handshake to get me out of this fight.

874
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:32.519
And now suddenly warfs all across what happened in House of

875
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:33.179
Quark.

876
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.800
So there you go.

877
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:37.920
He's now doling out the plot points.

878
00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.079
I was trying to think of this episode.

879
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:44.699
I heard the core equivalent is in TNG today, but there really

880
00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.360
isn't, is there?

881
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:45.900
There isn't.

882
00:39:46.019 --> 00:39:49.440
And I think that's why when this show came along, they were like

883
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:49.920
what's this?

884
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:53.400
This sort of disretable character as one of our regulars.

885
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:54.239
Yeah.

886
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:58.260
I mean, you know, like you've got a cop and a, and a sort of petty

887
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:01.199
criminal and stuff, it's still, it's just not the sort of thing

888
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.900
that you had because you didn't have crime in the federational or

889
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:05.400
whatever and we hardly went outside it.

890
00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:07.440
Now, here's what I think is really good.

891
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.480
So suddenly we now see him fighting a bit more enthusiastically

892
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.219
with Jadzia.

893
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:20.159
And then we now we see Wharf with the thing around his neck.

894
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.059
And we're in a hola suite, aren't we?

895
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.880
Is that the holy sweet set with a weird thing?

896
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:33.179
And I like how no one really in this audience had VR, you know, the

897
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:34.619
way that we do now.

898
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:40.920
But without us having to explain what the fuck is going on.

899
00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:44.699
Instead, they just demonstrate it by having them act.

900
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:48.119
And so we aren't forced to sit through an exposition scene about

901
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.659
what the hell this is, because when we 1st see it in action, we

902
00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:55.079
see Worf and Quark doing the same moves in the same shot.

903
00:40:55.739 --> 00:41:00.900
The choreography is very nice and they match those moods

904
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:01.739
beautifully.

905
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.659
Yeah, I mean, I would have died of boredom, any scene where it was

906
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:10.199
explained or demonstrated what this technology did, and they

907
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.340
absolutely avoided.

908
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:15.480
Ronald D. Moore said, I refuse to explain how this worked.

909
00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:17.639
I knew we were never going to see it again.

910
00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:19.380
I just wanted it for this episode.

911
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.420
It served its birthday. lets move off.

912
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.039
And it worked.

913
00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:24.179
I thought that was really good.

914
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.480
And the hilarious thing is that, you know, like Wharf has these 2

915
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.619
and 10 A sort of sticking up beside his head and it makes it look

916
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:34.380
like a stupid Star Trek bit of technology.

917
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:39.119
But obviously the antenna is there to be cut off by a bat left

918
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.039
during the climax.

919
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.019
This is why she said...

920
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.119
If I was in your shoes here, I'd be looking to someone a little

921
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.039
more entertaining, a little more fun and a little more

922
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:47.699
attainable.

923
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:49.800
She's saying, Wharf, will you fuck me already?

924
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:50.940
Oh, yeah, yeah.

925
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.340
A little more spotted, a little more.

926
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.679
David, would you take a look at her?

927
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:56.940
It's beautiful.

928
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.500
What is regular?

929
00:41:58.500 --> 00:41:59.099
Stunning.

930
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.599
Absolutely stunning.

931
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.719
I mean, even punching, right?

932
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.019
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?

933
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:07.679
What an idiot.

934
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:09.059
Oh, look at us.

935
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:10.559
Actually, you know what?

936
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:12.900
I just remember, there's another thing I really, really love. and

937
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:18.480
that is the Jed Seer Quark friendship and that runs from season 2

938
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.679
where they're super close all the way through to with Esry Dax in

939
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:23.219
the last series.

940
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.699
Everybody else on the show rejects Quark.

941
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.260
And Jazia has this massive empathy and has so much you're seeing

942
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:33.900
playing late night Tongo getting drunk with him.

943
00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:37.679
And even when she gets married to Warf, she still does all those

944
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:38.039
things.

945
00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:40.739
And she's like, well, he's my friend and you're not telling me who

946
00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:41.460
I'm going to hang out with.

947
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:46.920
That's obviously the reason why he comes to her for advice.

948
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:50.579
So it works in context of this group of characters.

949
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.199
That's one of the holy crap.

950
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:53.219
Look at that, Klingon.

951
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.599
That is one of the joys of this show is there are so many double

952
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.519
acts and interpersonal action.

953
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:02.820
And then when you throw in all of the secondary characters as well

954
00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:08.219
Garak, you know, with Bashir, you cut with Kira, win with Cisco

955
00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:10.139
it's very rich when it comes to the characters.

956
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:12.480
There's this bum again.

957
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:16.380
Yeah, Michael Dawn's got quite a nice arse as well, you know.

958
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.119
No, no, but look at this guy.

959
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:22.380
Like, they've not made Phil Morris put on a stupid beard, so you

960
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:25.139
can see his chin, and it's a chin.

961
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.360
He's a really handsome guy.

962
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:28.139
I sent you that picture last night.

963
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.340
You know another episode?

964
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:30.300
Even now.

965
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:31.380
But Morris was in.

966
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.980
Um, he was the head, Jem Hadar, in the 2nd episode of series 6

967
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:42.900
rocks and shoals, and he gives a phenomenal performance in that.

968
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.440
He the one where he just, you know, they decide to commit suicide

969
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.500
because they know Cisco and that have got the advantage and

970
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:51.539
they've got to go across the bat before they go get shot.

971
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:52.920
He's fantastic in that.

972
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:54.300
They're very different from this.

973
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.739
Yeah, but he's so good in this and he really is handsome and I've

974
00:43:58.739 --> 00:43:59.639
seen 2 bum shots.

975
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:02.519
No, here we go, there we go.

976
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:07.260
So the little antenna gets chopped off by the batler. so great.

977
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.719
I came the right of proclamation.

978
00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:13.860
I'm making some shit up, which is clearly what's happening.

979
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.599
That's what Paul would do, right?

980
00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:18.719
If you could, if anyone was going to think on their feet, it would

981
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:19.320
be cork.

982
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:26.159
Also, like this touches on the theme of the previous episode where

983
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:36.239
Cork decides not to try and beat bad guy, the other guy at whose

984
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:41.280
name I've forgotten, at his own game, but decides to use, you know

985
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.880
Ferengi methods, like shows Gower on a spreadsheet on his iPhone

986
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.860
you know, like...

987
00:44:48.059 --> 00:44:49.679
So great.

988
00:44:49.739 --> 00:44:50.940
So fun.

989
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.980
And so this works here.

990
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.179
It's a little bit less funny than that, but it's basically the

991
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:57.599
idea.

992
00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.920
And I love how when the thing gets meant if he goes, oh, all right

993
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.380
I'm done with that speech, let's kind of wail on one another

994
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:04.679
again.

995
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:06.840
The funny the funny bear here.

996
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:10.320
I think the funniest moment is a bit of physical comedy is when

997
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.940
the VR helmet thing goes off and she's so strong that they fall to

998
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:15.239
the floor.

999
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.579
Oh, they fall to the floor.

1000
00:45:17.579 --> 00:45:20.340
And that's when they end up snogging. very funny.

1001
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:26.699
Oh, oh, and he has to just make up shit to accompany whatever the

1002
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:30.420
hell Wharf is doing with the, uh, with the thing.

1003
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:30.960
It pretty great.

1004
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:35.159
PS9 is known as the serious Star Trek, you know, but we've watched

1005
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.320
House of Quark, take me out as an hour this week, and this.

1006
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.880
And in the cars.

1007
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:41.519
Yeah, I don't, no Star Trek is serious.

1008
00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:44.880
It's one of the things that I think, you know, that Strange New

1009
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.960
Worlds gets right.

1010
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:47.639
It does silly things.

1011
00:45:47.699 --> 00:45:51.719
It's been established that stupid things are part of the Star Trek

1012
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.440
canon and you can help yourself to them and you should.

1013
00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:57.960
You're not making Battlestar Galactica.

1014
00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:01.139
It's Star Trek and it's supposed to be fun and silly.

1015
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.719
Every alpha episode of Voyager. bloody ridiculous.

1016
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:05.760
You know, they bought it.

1017
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.179
Yeah, yeah.

1018
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:06.599
Any other.

1019
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.739
Yeah, well, oh, look at that man.

1020
00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:13.079
I don't know.

1021
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:15.239
I think Wolf is pretty hot with about left as well, you know.

1022
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.320
Yeah, yeah, but he's no Phil Morris.

1023
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.619
Whoa, down he goes.

1024
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.440
So, I guess the only thing that doesn't quite work.

1025
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:26.579
Is that what's supposed to happen?

1026
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.300
Yeah, I guess so.

1027
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.159
Yeah, yeah, because he was talking about dying before.

1028
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:30.719
What does it quite work?

1029
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:31.619
Did you say that?

1030
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:32.159
That window?

1031
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:35.219
Well, it's the same set from before with the high ceiling.

1032
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:40.199
But, Yeah, that's why they spent the special effects budget on

1033
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:40.500
this week.

1034
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:48.000
Um, the, um, you can't tell how Worf can see what Quark is

1035
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.360
seeing.

1036
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:53.340
Um, and I think I don't know whether you think of that at the time

1037
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:57.000
and there'd be no intrusive way of doing it, but he's looking as

1038
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.599
if he can see it, and maybe he needs a VR helmet or something.

1039
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.219
I think somebody was paying attention.

1040
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.860
Because then you get, at the end of the season, you get those

1041
00:47:04.860 --> 00:47:06.780
fabulous water view screens.

1042
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.320
Do you remember?

1043
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:08.639
That goes over the head just like that.

1044
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:09.960
Oh, yeah.

1045
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.619
You actually get to see through the eye bit so you can see like

1046
00:47:13.619 --> 00:47:14.280
the view screw.

1047
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:15.420
What you can see.

1048
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:16.079
Yeah, yeah.

1049
00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:20.219
I like it when they when they innovate technology, you know, or

1050
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:21.059
just make something.

1051
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:27.119
Well, but, you know, like, it makes real and physical what's been

1052
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.719
going on, which is not quite a puppet, but wharf's been feeding

1053
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.579
him lines and strategies and stuff like that.

1054
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.699
And then eventually we get him in the next room doing the thing.

1055
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.860
Oh, here we go.

1056
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.519
I don't want to see that.

1057
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:42.539
I'm glad they cut away.

1058
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.139
Although, I do feel they can't weigh at just the right point.

1059
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:47.639
Whoa.

1060
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.280
She's on top.

1061
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.920
She is definitely the aggressor.

1062
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.179
Real cat, isn't she?

1063
00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:58.199
Yeah, Wolfline.

1064
00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:00.420
What the hell does she see in that parasite?

1065
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.219
that parasite that's rude?

1066
00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:03.179
kind of racist?

1067
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.519
Don't you please don't criticise this soon.

1068
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:06.360
I love it so much.

1069
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:11.460
Yeah, it's he's such a moron, wasn't he?

1070
00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:14.699
I don't know why she bothers, but you know what?

1071
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.159
Yeah, yeah, well, he's tall.

1072
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.400
Oh, I just love it.

1073
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:23.099
The bit I love is where she's flawed it.

1074
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:23.400
Yeah.

1075
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:26.159
And how she scrabbles on top of him, like desperately.

1076
00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:27.719
I'm like, she ain't has some problem.

1077
00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:29.820
She has not had some for a while, I'm telling you.

1078
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.500
No, not since last week. in Meridian.

1079
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:35.039
What?

1080
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:36.059
Oh, okay.

1081
00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.659
But you know what?

1082
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.539
It's like, he's like, he just goes straight away.

1083
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:43.199
Yeah let's do this.

1084
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:43.860
All right.

1085
00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:45.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1086
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:46.380
What was he thinking?

1087
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:49.079
Hey, down he goes.

1088
00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:50.219
She straight on top.

1089
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.679
Oh, that was not Michael Dong.

1090
00:48:53.219 --> 00:49:00.780
That wasn't Michael doing that stunt. and it's Michael on the

1091
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:04.800
floor. in the in the runabout now, desperately trying to keep

1092
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:05.639
their hands on each other.

1093
00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:10.320
See, I prefer I preferred the scene where he was massaging her and

1094
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.219
just the one line crosses here where it's kind of like the, you

1095
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:15.059
know, restrained.

1096
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.860
Miles, get out.

1097
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.599
Oh, you know, we're going to fucking runabout.

1098
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:19.739
I love that.

1099
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.039
Actually, that's the one thing where he's still kind of talking.

1100
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:29.880
Now, now, um, Columini is only a couple of years older than you at

1101
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.179
this point.

1102
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:32.219
Wow.

1103
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.440
I mean, look at me, honestly.

1104
00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:36.000
Yeah, I know.

1105
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.280
That is a...

1106
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:40.679
There's the same amount of, yeah, is he out?

1107
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:44.940
He's 40, yeah, about 3 or something.

1108
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.760
Honestly, he's a Guinness drinker about Ross or love.

1109
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:49.559
Yeah, no, ages, yeah.

1110
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.920
But this is the point, I suppose, this is the point where they

1111
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.360
decide to behave as adults.

1112
00:49:54.420 --> 00:50:00.179
Don't know, and say, yeah, it would have been nice, but let's not

1113
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:00.539
do this.

1114
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:01.619
You've got a great marriage.

1115
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.159
I'm seeing that guy who turns up every now and again from Bajor.

1116
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:06.119
Yeah.

1117
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:13.860
Is, hey, is that, um, is Shaka the Space Ghost, that Beverly

1118
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:14.219
Bones?

1119
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.420
Yes, yes, the same actor.

1120
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

1121
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.840
I can't help but notice, you know, the runabout seems to be about

1122
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.139
15 times the size it was in dramatis personae.

1123
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.659
Yeah, so there's bigger roundabouts.

1124
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.260
This is the new B round about set with the extra control panels in

1125
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:30.480
the background for them to stand behind for some reason.

1126
00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:32.340
Are you saying roundabout on purpose?

1127
00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:34.800
Roundabout.

1128
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:35.159
Yeah.

1129
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:36.300
What is that run about?

1130
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.280
Run about.

1131
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:40.920
Do you know what the funniest story ever was Ira Bell.

1132
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:42.239
It was like, right, we're going to war.

1133
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:43.440
The F9's going to war.

1134
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.179
We need a battleship.

1135
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.639
He goes, how bloody ridiculous will we be if we're sending those

1136
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:48.300
runabouts?

1137
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:53.460
Oh, they're so rubbish, aren't they?

1138
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.940
Well, I mean, they were clearly kind of we need to go to different

1139
00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:00.000
planets because what else do you do on Star Trek, how are we going

1140
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:00.599
to manage that?

1141
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.079
And they have that shitty, tiny runabout set that we saw in

1142
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.400
dramatis persona.

1143
00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:06.000
Okay.

1144
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.460
Now, this...

1145
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.960
I love the scene.

1146
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.239
No, I like this scene.

1147
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:19.019
It's the scene between, it's the scene between Miles and him.

1148
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.059
I told you in a couple of episodes ago.

1149
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.880
There's a scene in DS9 where everyone's been shagging and they've

1150
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:24.360
hurt each other.

1151
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:28.139
They all come to the infirmary and Bashir's like, oh, I'm going to

1152
00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:28.920
stop asking this question.

1153
00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:30.480
Try not to think about it.

1154
00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:34.800
Sounds a bit racist the 1st time, but then Dax comes in and he's

1155
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.119
going, I'm trying not to think about it.

1156
00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:40.559
It's kind of like, uh, I like that because even that has a carrot

1157
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.619
touch because obviously Bashir point off the ducks for a long time

1158
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:44.099
didn't he?

1159
00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:45.000
Yeah, yeah.

1160
00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:46.320
Yeah, for sure.

1161
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:53.280
I really, like, I really properly like this.

1162
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:56.280
The scene with Quark, because we had Quark in an episode the other

1163
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.159
day where he was wearing the comedy neck brace, that was dramatis

1164
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.980
persona, and that was a shitty scene.

1165
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.320
And here he comes in and he's just been boning with Grillka and

1166
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.960
she's there and like that's really fun.

1167
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:11.579
These 2 have injured themselves.

1168
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.159
The way she says it.

1169
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.980
She goes, he was the aggressor.

1170
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1171
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:24.300
And and this is well because she's actually said this to him

1172
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:26.219
before in the scene, hasn't she?

1173
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.280
You are not a traditional Klingon.

1174
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:32.820
And he's not in the way that he was when he had the relationship

1175
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:38.639
with Kayla when he slept with Kayla in the series 3 of Star Trek

1176
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:43.139
The Next Generation. and then said we have to get married.

1177
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.360
She's straight in his hair. lovely.

1178
00:52:45.420 --> 00:52:46.500
Oh, come on.

1179
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.840
We just started playing with it.

1180
00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:50.280
What's very strange?

1181
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:55.920
Their relationship isn't acknowledged again until that he is about

1182
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.380
seeing, which is just a bit moving terrible.

1183
00:52:58.440 --> 00:52:58.920
Awful.

1184
00:52:58.980 --> 00:52:59.579
Yeah.

1185
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:00.179
Dreadful.

1186
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.579
Yeah. should roll that.

1187
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.500
Oh, no, please, that's not.

1188
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.079
We don't we don't want terrible DSign episode recently.

1189
00:53:07.139 --> 00:53:08.880
I do like this as well.

1190
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.159
This is a very kind of adult conclusion short.

1191
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.059
Let's just see what happens.

1192
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:12.900
Like, this has happened.

1193
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:13.800
Let's see what happens.

1194
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.340
Yeah.

1195
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:15.300
Yeah.

1196
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:20.340
Oh, but we're we're about to get our comedy laughter editing

1197
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:21.239
from...

1198
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:24.719
Yeah, so this is the final scene and this is the final line.

1199
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.239
This episode is full of great loin.

1200
00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:29.280
Why did we end up being funny?

1201
00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:31.320
That line isn't even funny.

1202
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.699
Like, there's no joke.

1203
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.000
Oh, so at least you've stopped thinking about grill car.

1204
00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:38.820
It's just like, well, fuck, do a joke.

1205
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.739
Like, if you're going to go out on a laugh.

1206
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:41.460
Don't.

1207
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:42.960
Don't do that.

1208
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:47.039
Two, make it a funny line if you decide to do it, but it's not

1209
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:47.519
even funny.

1210
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:48.659
Even worse.

1211
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.780
You know, it take me out to Holl Street as well. just can't do

1212
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:54.480
these comedy lines at the end because that wasn't funny either.

1213
00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:58.860
No, and that, yeah, I didn't like that final scene.

1214
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:03.000
It was the one little kind of blemish on that superb episode.

1215
00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:07.079
Going back to what you said just there about, uh, her wanting out

1216
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.719
that wharf isn't a traditional Klingon.

1217
00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:10.260
Yeah.

1218
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:12.539
Like, this is what happened on the last night, was it?

1219
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:15.780
All the wastes and strays from every single planet in the outfit.

1220
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.619
They end up here.

1221
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:19.139
You've got Quork who's got a bit of a heart.

1222
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:25.980
Cisco, who's a family man, Garak, who's an exile, you know, Odo

1223
00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.860
who's one of 100, like, I like that about DS9.

1224
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.599
You got all these sort of exceptions to the rule.

1225
00:54:30.780 --> 00:54:35.219
And then that comes with massive like culture patch, doesn't it?

1226
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:42.900
Ron Moore is the person to try and do some kind of arc on TNG with

1227
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:48.000
Worf's character by riding the Wharf Klingon episode every year.

1228
00:54:48.059 --> 00:54:52.739
And so he does make him interesting and you were talking about

1229
00:54:52.739 --> 00:54:58.019
family earlier, but you remember there's the little subplot with

1230
00:54:58.019 --> 00:55:04.500
the Rashenko's coming on board the ship to be at Wharf, which is

1231
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:05.820
really sweet, isn't it?

1232
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:10.679
And just reminds us that, you know, he is in this sort of weird

1233
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.780
space between being a Klingon and being human, which is, you know

1234
00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:21.659
the sort of dilemma that has existed in Star Trek in spot.

1235
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.599
And I think it's kind of nice because he's so into being a Klingon

1236
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.900
and that explains it because it's something he's had to achieve

1237
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:29.400
and acquire later.

1238
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:33.480
I think, I think where DSMI bates wharf sing.

1239
00:55:33.539 --> 00:55:35.159
And it takes them a little while.

1240
00:55:35.219 --> 00:55:39.719
There's kind of like an adjustment period series 4 is they give

1241
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.420
him 2 characters and they didn't do this in TNG.

1242
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:43.739
They give him Dax.

1243
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:45.780
They give him a marriage, a relationship.

1244
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.340
And then they give him Martoc.

1245
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:50.340
And so they give him like a friend, someone from his own pit.

1246
00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:52.739
And that, those things are just fantastic.

1247
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.599
So, yeah, I think I think eventually Worf gets his best material

1248
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.659
on the show and it's kind of here where we're dipping in the right

1249
00:56:00.659 --> 00:56:00.900
direction.

1250
00:56:01.019 --> 00:56:03.300
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

1251
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.960
The thing that Deep Space 9 can do that Star Trek, the Next

1252
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:13.199
Generation just can't, is give every regular some kind of

1253
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.420
relationship.

1254
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.639
Um, maybe Julian.

1255
00:56:17.699 --> 00:56:20.760
I mean, Julian's parents are in it a couple of times, I know more

1256
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:21.659
than a couple of times.

1257
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.199
Um, I guess he's got Garak, doesn't he?

1258
00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.119
And a relationship with Miles.

1259
00:56:27.179 --> 00:56:32.519
And, you know, Quark comes, you know, pre-populated with his

1260
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:37.800
brother and his son, um, his brother and his son, you know, and

1261
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:41.280
that's really fun and it's something that no other Star Trek is

1262
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.000
quite done and it, I think it really works incredibly well.

1263
00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:51.179
Something else that really has been highlighted doing a series one

1264
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:56.639
DSI episode, followed by a series 5 DS9 episode is that in series

1265
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.619
one, they just didn't do hangout episodes.

1266
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:01.500
There always had to be high concept of the week.

1267
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.880
Whereas we've got to this stage of this night where the cast of

1268
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:10.139
characters are so strong, that you can just hang out with them on

1269
00:57:10.139 --> 00:57:13.739
the station for an episode and have a fucking blast.

1270
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:14.460
Yeah.

1271
00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:15.360
Yeah.

1272
00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:19.380
Well, I wanted to compare it kind of to the most recent Strange

1273
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:23.039
New Worlds episode at the time of recording, and again, it'll be a

1274
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.059
couple of weeks out of date, this observation, but the most recent

1275
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:35.280
episode that I've seen is called Spock, a Mark, and that's there

1276
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.219
3rd the 3rd creation of that time.

1277
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.780
I'll check you with that tiles.

1278
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.340
And it is a hangout episode as well.

1279
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.940
There is a negotiation with an alien race about joining the

1280
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:52.739
Federation, but basically they're at Starbase one, you know, around

1281
00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:58.320
Earth, and they're doing Shore Leave and going down to the forests

1282
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:03.000
on the base and chilling and having drinks and chatting people up

1283
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:03.539
and stuff.

1284
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:07.380
And it is a hangout episode and everyone has a plot.

1285
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.619
And it's really fun.

1286
00:58:10.619 --> 00:58:15.659
And I think that it may actually consciously reference this

1287
00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:21.300
episode because it ends with looking for love in all the wrong

1288
00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:24.300
places on the soundtrack over a kind of montage at the end of the

1289
00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:24.719
episode.

1290
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:25.320
Oh, wow.

1291
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:27.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1292
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:28.679
It's really strong.

1293
00:58:28.739 --> 00:58:31.920
It's really funny And it manages to be a hangout episode as

1294
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.079
episode, what, five?

1295
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:36.780
You know, we barely know the characters.

1296
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:41.039
But again, I think it's done a great job of drawing its characters

1297
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.380
well and outlining some of the relationships.

1298
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.420
Wow, so well drawn.

1299
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.019
Even a pilot, you know, those characters were so beautifully

1300
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:49.440
drawn.

1301
00:58:49.500 --> 00:58:51.780
You wanted to go off and add more advanced for them.

1302
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:52.500
DSI.

1303
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.320
It took me a little while, you know, I fell in love with them.

1304
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.400
But the thing is, the thing is that, like, I thought that that was

1305
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.659
really fun and really enjoyable, but there is a sense in which

1306
00:59:03.659 --> 00:59:04.860
it's not Star Trek enough.

1307
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.480
Not because it doesn't have space battles. or space problems, but

1308
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.840
just that we don't see anything very interesting in it.

1309
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.880
It is all of us.

1310
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:17.519
There was that set, I guess, the set with a high ceiling.

1311
00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:19.440
Oh, you mean interesting?

1312
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:21.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1313
00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:26.099
Like it is just people in standing sets kind of talking.

1314
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:29.820
And that's fun and that's, you know, cheap.

1315
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.599
And that means that we have to do something pretty interesting

1316
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.059
with the dialogue or why is anyone watching it?

1317
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.300
And so I think it works.

1318
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:40.559
It was enjoyable.

1319
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:45.840
But I do miss the spectacular a bit sometimes in 90s track.

1320
00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:49.559
Yeah, I get what you're saying, and I think that's probably the

1321
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.820
biggest difference between you and I when it comes to Star Trek is

1322
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:59.219
I can just watch a cheapie and have an absolute blast with the

1323
00:59:59.219 --> 00:59:59.699
characters.

1324
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:02.039
And I don't know if it was about basic anything because I'm having

1325
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:02.400
a good time.

1326
01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:04.139
So that's a lot I need, you know.

1327
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:05.579
I mean, I thought that was really fun.

1328
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.059
I think maybe House of Quark was a little bit more fun.

1329
01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:14.699
Does House of Quark have that shitty Miles and Keiko subplot?

1330
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.199
Is that in House of Quiet?

1331
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.519
Jesus Christ.

1332
01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:19.019
They've both got one.

1333
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:21.119
They've both got a terrible...

1334
01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:21.659
Stop lot.

1335
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.820
It's so funny.

1336
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.179
It really is just a straight remake and something that worked

1337
01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:27.900
really well.

1338
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.139
And like, I think this works really well.

1339
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:36.059
And it obviously does some needed character arc stuff with Wark

1340
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:39.239
and Dax, which finally actually sort of happens.

1341
01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:44.880
And like the House of Quark, it's positioned, and I think DSI does

1342
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:46.079
this with its comedy episodes.

1343
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:48.900
It's positioned really well. 3 episodes into the season.

1344
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.900
We've done the biggie, we've done something serious.

1345
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.659
Let's have some fun Yeah, I like to have some fun.

1346
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:55.739
Yeah, yeah.

1347
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:59.519
And I certainly think it, it definitely succeeds at that.

1348
01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:07.739
All right, it's time to choose our next episode.

1349
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.480
So I'm at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser, and

1350
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:13.500
it's my turn.

1351
01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:17.820
And I'm supposed to come up with an interesting rationale for why

1352
01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:21.420
we're choosing the thing and which series we're selecting from.

1353
01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:24.239
Old and original. can't think of one.

1354
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:25.019
Oh, okay.

1355
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:26.400
Disappointing.

1356
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:27.000
All of them.

1357
01:01:27.059 --> 01:01:29.880
Let's just do all...

1358
01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:30.179
Yeah.

1359
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:31.139
I've got no idea.

1360
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:31.980
No idea.

1361
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:32.400
All right.

1362
01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:33.420
So it could be anything.

1363
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:37.800
Let's see how we go and I'm pressing the button.

1364
01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:40.320
Oh, what's that?

1365
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:42.000
I've no idea.

1366
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:42.719
Tell me.

1367
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:44.280
I'll tell you.

1368
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:45.000
Well, I don't know.

1369
01:01:45.059 --> 01:01:45.239
Okay.

1370
01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:50.099
So your random Star Trek, the original series episode is Requiem

1371
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:53.460
for Methuselah, season three, episode 19.

1372
01:01:53.579 --> 01:01:55.440
Charles, that's going to be shit.

1373
01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:56.159
Season three.

1374
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:00.420
Well, but it doesn't have to be because we have, I mean, we did

1375
01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:01.800
just do a regular series, though.

1376
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:06.599
I think we're going to choose something else, to be honest.

1377
01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:09.840
It's some immortal guy, blah, blah, blah.

1378
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:11.880
So I've got no idea.

1379
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:15.300
I'm seeing a robot that looks a little bit like nomads when I'm

1380
01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:16.079
doing a Google.

1381
01:02:16.139 --> 01:02:18.960
Oh...

1382
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:19.619
Well, no.

1383
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:20.460
All right, roll again.

1384
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.460
Okay, Star Trek Discovery.

1385
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:28.679
Now the difficulty here is, of course, that there's no way of

1386
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.119
knowing what it is.

1387
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:35.880
Uh, I think that we won't do this one because it's series 3

1388
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:41.699
episode 12, and we've already done the end of series 3 with

1389
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:43.619
that...

1390
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.579
It's episode 12, so it's got to be the anti-penultimate episode, I

1391
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:47.820
think.

1392
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:48.780
Oh, okay.

1393
01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:51.719
So that's kind of part one of the 3 parter.

1394
01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:52.380
I could be wrong.

1395
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:53.820
But it is episode 12.

1396
01:02:54.059 --> 01:02:56.940
We did get quite close to the end of that, so I think we won't do

1397
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:57.300
that one.

1398
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.219
Let's try something else.

1399
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.780
Ooh, this might be the one.

1400
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.739
I think this is a very good Voyager episode.

1401
01:03:07.739 --> 01:03:14.159
And undoubtedly, after we watch it again, I'm going to think it's

1402
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:14.820
a bit short.

1403
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.880
So let's spoil my fun.

1404
01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:21.539
It's one of, you don't always forget...

1405
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:28.139
So this is Star Trek Voyager season five, episode 10

1406
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:29.940
counterpoint.

1407
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:30.900
Oh, my gosh.

1408
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:33.239
Yeah, yeah.

1409
01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:36.780
If Kate Mulgrew's favourite episode of Voyager.

1410
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:37.980
I'm not surprised.

1411
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:40.860
It's got a great guest actor.

1412
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.980
And so it's her acting against a great guest actor, which is

1413
01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:47.340
always an interesting kind of thing for Star Trek to do.

1414
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.760
Do you remember the opening when they're pumping classical music?

1415
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.780
And then these Nazis are storming through Voyager.

1416
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:56.460
Oh man, it's terrific.

1417
01:03:56.579 --> 01:03:58.800
Oh, let's do that. it's pretty good.

1418
01:03:58.860 --> 01:04:00.239
Yeah, let's do it.

1419
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:00.780
Absolutely.

1420
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:01.800
That's going to be really fun.

1421
01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:05.039
A really proper solidly good Voyager episode.

1422
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:06.360
I don't think we've ever done.

1423
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:09.300
No, I would say no.

1424
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.239
Well, Ken and gave me beef you really like that, but no, I

1425
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:13.320
think...

1426
01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:15.599
I'd go as far to say this as a voyage classic.

1427
01:04:15.659 --> 01:04:16.260
Yep.

1428
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:17.519
All right, cool.

1429
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:18.059
We'll do it.

1430
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:18.960
See you then.

1431
01:04:28.019 --> 01:04:31.320
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1432
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:32.519
and Nathan Bottomley.

1433
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.119
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1434
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.579
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1435
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.360
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1436
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:43.920
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1437
01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:48.179
This episode was recorded on the 7th of June 2022 and released on

1438
01:04:48.179 --> 01:04:49.500
the 17th of June.

1439
01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:54.059
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager Counterpoint.

1440
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.880
You know, there is an exterior establishing shot at the station.

1441
01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:16.079
What?

1442
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:17.159
That's really all we get.

1443
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:19.920
That's all we get.

1444
01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:21.000
Nothing.

1445
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:25.679
And someone paid for those LEDs on Wharf's neck thing.

1446
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.159
I think, oh, man, I should have made that point as well.

1447
01:05:29.219 --> 01:05:32.699
I see, I sometimes think you can go the other way. that there's

1448
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:35.219
too much spectacle and there isn't enough character.

1449
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:40.380
You know, and I certainly felt that with some early discovery.

1450
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:44.219
Um, you know, there was just too much plot and spectacle and not

1451
01:05:44.219 --> 01:05:46.079
enough interesting people.

1452
01:05:46.139 --> 01:05:48.420
I'm standing around cheaply in the room.

1453
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:52.019
Shut up.

1454
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:53.880
Yeah that's right.

1455
01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:55.139
But fuck.

1456
01:05:55.139 --> 01:05:57.539
That, that's Strange 2 Worlds episode.

1457
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:03.239
There's just a scene with like Bob April, Chris Pike and these 2

1458
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:07.199
aliens of the week in a conference room, you know, like it's a

1459
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:11.519
scene that would just happen. like, you know, in the most boring

1460
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.639
room on like they'd put it in the observation lounge or whatever

1461
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:15.119
the hell.

1462
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:16.980
But here they're having it on the station.

1463
01:06:17.099 --> 01:06:22.380
And so you just see them in a conference room, it's dark and the

1464
01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:26.579
background is just like a massive window looking out onto one of

1465
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:27.840
those forested domes.

1466
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.840
Oh, Starbase one.

1467
01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:34.199
And so it's a perfectly standard Star Trek scene, but it just

1468
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:35.460
looks amazing.

1469
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:37.380
I couldn't do that.

1470
01:06:37.380 --> 01:06:38.400
Yeah, could they?

1471
01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:39.960
No, they just couldn't do it.

1472
01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:41.460
They couldn't afford it.

1473
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:42.119
That's the thing.

1474
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:44.039
And that's why we get these cheap things.

1475
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:47.159
It's not that, you know, there's the meretricious spectacle of

1476
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:51.179
beautiful, interesting space shots, but real proper TV just

1477
01:06:51.179 --> 01:06:53.039
involves people standing talking in rooms.

1478
01:06:53.099 --> 01:06:54.179
Because that is a scene.

1479
01:06:54.300 --> 01:06:57.059
I'm telling you now, there must be some 90s trailer we're going to

1480
01:06:57.059 --> 01:06:59.280
watch where you'll be like, wow, this is visually very

1481
01:06:59.280 --> 01:06:59.699
interesting.

1482
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.099
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

1483
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:05.639
And I would, before doing this podcast, I would never have said

1484
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:10.139
this whole year of Star Trek was boring.

1485
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.300
Oh, cheap.

1486
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:13.679
It felt so expensive.

1487
01:07:14.460 --> 01:07:15.119
I loved it.

1488
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:16.320
I did.

1489
01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:18.239
It felt amazingly expensive at the time.

1490
01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:23.760
Wow, you can take her old TOS with all its interesting incidental

1491
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:28.320
music and, you know, even those studios innovations in season one

1492
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:31.860
of the next year, we were like, whoa.

1493
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.559
A planet of armour.

1494
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.699
Oh my God.

1495
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.019
Okay.

1496
01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:39.539
Now, it's my turn, isn't it?

1497
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.400
And I haven't even thought about what we're doing.

1498
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.360
No, I better relinquish the bedroom because it's quarter past

1499
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:45.900
pertaining.

1500
01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:46.860
We don't want to go to bed.

1501
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.619
Yeah, God, I better get out of here.

1502
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.420
I'm going to be at school in an hour.

1503
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.880
I knew that was gonna be...

1504
01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:54.480
I knew it.

1505
01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:56.099
I forgot about it. did laugh a lot there.

1506
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.900
Yeah, yeah it is fun.

1507
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:58.920
I think that was really good.

1508
01:07:58.980 --> 01:08:01.559
Oh, imagine when we get like, oh, have a share or something like

1509
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:01.800
that.

1510
01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:02.460
Oh, come on.

1511
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:03.900
Got butter bean, butter bang.

1512
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:05.400
All right, we.

1513
01:08:07.260 --> 01:08:11.639
All right, it's time to choose our next episode.