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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back doing Star Trek, the original series, and we are on

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the 3rd episode of series two, and it's fan favourite, the

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changeling.

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Well, you say fan favourite.

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I'll put out to a few friends of mine that are, you know, oriented

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this week and they all came back to me just with the hashtag shit

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robot.

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The robot's great.

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I think no man is amazing.

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Yeah, yeah, nomads awesome.

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I even think the way they realise they were moving about the sets

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is incredible as well.

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So, well, maybe it's a fan favourite for, you know, Star Trek

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obsessives.

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If you ask Mark Altman or someone like that, he'll probably give

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this one 5 stars.

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There is, look, I think it's very standard.

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But it goes to show that standard original series Star Trek is

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still pretty fun.

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I think it suffered a little bit from being very much like the

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doomsday machine only not as good.

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You know, you've got a strange entity that's sort of inexplicable

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in various ways that's heading towards, well, this time Earth

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instead of Rigel 3 or 7 or whatever it was that the doomsday

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machine was going to destroy that we couldn't possibly care

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about.

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This one's heading straight for Earth.

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It's kind of exciting.

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There are some fundamental differences between this and the

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doomsday machine.

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That was like an unknowable alien threat.

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This is absolutely a mystery that's explained, and it becomes, and

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it's somewhat something that talks.

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So there's like a negotiation and there's this sort of cat and

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mouse of like how do we defeat this thing?

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And obviously, this is all set in the enterprise sets as well.

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So it's a bull show.

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Whereas the doomsday machine. look like, you know, even though the

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effects could be a bit ropey.

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I had a bit of money spent on it, you know?

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Yeah.

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Also, I think it had an incredible guest turn as well, which this

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one doesn't have.

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It's just our regulars and whatever voiceover guys doing nomad.

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But I said to you, didn't I, before we came on mic, that this

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really exposes how bloody good this set of regulars is, because I

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think with, I don't know, TNG or Enterprise regulars, this would

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be interminable watching them trying to outthink this, you know

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floating robot.

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Well, I was getting exocomp vibes from it as well because it's

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kind of like we have the technology to build a robot prop with

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lots of flashing lights that is going to fly around the set on a

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string, and that's absolutely what the exocomps do in quality of

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life, which I think is from series 6.

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And so it's getting a little...

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I always felt like at the end of that story.

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They should have kept a few around you.

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You could have seen them flying around the ship every now and

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again, doing little repairs.

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You know, a bit like those things they had in fast skate that

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scuttled about, you know, just like a quirky visual.

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The dots in discovery.

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There is, of course.

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Oh, they're amazing.

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There is, of course, an ex-com, uh, lieutenant or ensign or

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something in a lower decks episode who is called Peanut Hamper, uh

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which is the name she chose herself.

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Is that a robot?

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It's an exocomp.

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It's a...

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Because they're alive.

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We discover they're alive in that episode.

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This is one of those rare 2S episodes that I actually reviewed on

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my...

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I know he did about 20 or so because I was literally doing it like

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we're doing it randomly and I was I didn't have a fabulous

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randomiser online to select the episode.

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So I literally wrote out every single episode of Star Trek, across

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all the series, tore up the bits of paper, put them in a box, I

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would get my other half of the time to select the episodes.

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I want to sort some highlight of my week.

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It was still the highlight of my week.

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But anyway, this one came out and I had the nerve to say at the

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end of the review that I wish Nomad had stuck around and been a

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regular on the original theory.

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That would have been great.

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Imagine him floating around in the back of scenes, you know

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getting on with it.

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Just occasionally disintegrating some white guys and, you know

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that sort of thing.

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I think it would have added an edge of tension to even the dullest

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episode.

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You said the doomsday machine had a great guest stop.

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I thought the fellow who voiced nomad in this was really fun.

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He is pretty great.

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He is pretty good because he's got the fabulous robot voice of

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every single TOS robot.

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Hello, Captain Kirk.

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Honestly.

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They sound so grand, don't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, like the guy, like the guy in the Corva might maneuver.

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Uh, you know, that voice and he's just so great and it's so Star

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Trek-y.

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Do you remember the, I don't know what the episode is called.

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I think it's the Apple, I think, with the big snake cave set, with

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the glowing eyes.

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And he talks like that as well.

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So good.

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It's so great.

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And so that feels very Star Trek, and just, you know, because

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we're with our regulars and just hanging out, the whole thing is

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actually...

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Well, you like about that, don't you?

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You like a bit of hanging out with the regulars.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But also as well, like the cliche of talking the, you know, talking

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the computer out of doing what it's doing, the joke at the end, the

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mind mail.

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There's there's a lot of digs at McCoy in this.

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Like, there's every, every stock tier-ish cliche.

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But they are having fun with it.

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I felt and we'll talk about this as we go in, but I felt Shatner

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especially, was having a lot of fun with his script.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Look, I think it's fun.

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I think it is a little bit disposable, and I have to say I was a

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little bit disappointed because this is an episode that I had seen

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before, like, I think the Corba Mite maneuver and the doomsday

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machine, and watching those 2 episodes for this podcast was a

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great experience because I discovered how much better they were

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than I remember.

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This, I didn't quite have that experience with.

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I thought it was perfectly fun, but not superb.

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I turned up on this, cool, didn't I?

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And I was like, yeah, you were super excited.

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I've got to confess to you.

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I think TOS, you know, might be my secret guilty pleasure in this

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podcast.

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Because every time I do that, I freaking love it here.

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And I've never really had that relationship with TS before.

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So I'm intributing this entirely to you.

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Well, I'm I'm actually having a bit of a renewed interest in TOS

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just because of strange new worlds as well because it's trying so

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hard to kind of recapture that with considerable succeeding.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it just makes me, uh, it makes me remember why I like Star

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Trek, you know, discovery and Picard and lower decks.

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You know, they're all doing something a bit different from what

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TOS or the next generation or Voyager or Enterprise we're doing.

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And it's really premise light, isn't it?

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Like TOS or TNG.

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More so than Voyager Enterprise.

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I think Strange New Worlds is the 1st Star Trek series since the

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original series to get that kind of tone of adventuring and going

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out and just having a fucking laugh out in space.

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It's the 1st show.

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TNG never did that DS9 certainly didn't do that.

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Voyager, didn't do that.

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Enterprise was just tedious.

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You know, like, this is the 1st one where it's like, let's see

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what's out there.

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And it's going to be a hell of a rise, you know?

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Yeah, well, this is a great thing to recreate and there's, it's

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it's no coincidence that this is spawned, you know, currently no

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less than 17 new spinoffs or something at this point.

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I can't even count that high.

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It's a great show.

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But it's no surprise to me as well, but a show that's aping, the

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tone of the original series is easily the most popular of the

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current treks that are out because there's a response to Strangely

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Wells has been incredible.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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So we were talking about Strange Tree Worlds, but let's get back

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to the original and some might say the best, not me, but...

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But this should be really fun.

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So I'll count us in.

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I'm ready Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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Yes, you know, I was very confused, you know, because I can

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remember whether we were watching the changeling or the empath.

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And there are there are a lot of those in the original series.

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That's true.

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Now, I am currently watching the original version of this with the

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old special effects, but I did watch the Netflix version with the

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new special effects.

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So I don't imagine it to be fast so different.

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No, there wasn't much here that you could, like, they certainly

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don't key out the spring on Nomad when he's floating about the

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sets.

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The string is still present and I'm pleased.

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No, it would have been sacrilege too. to mat that out, I think.

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Yeah, I mean, like, I I think the big change is the bolt thing

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because this is quite special effects light, apart from the

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hanging robot and the robot prop, which must have cost a fair

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amount of money.

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There aren't that many special effects.

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There's some great kind of, you know, vaporising security guard

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shots. and I'll see what they look like in the original because

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but they were pretty contuny.

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It's going true, and we'll get there when he turns up, is they

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found some very creative ways to shoot that robot, which, you know

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moving without actually showing, but it was hanging on a string

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going across the street.

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I mean, props to these actors because they're all watching this

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they wobble across the set and they're giving it a huge sense of

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gravitas, aren't they?

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So I think this is the point, or is this more or less the point

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where we get the music cue, the core of my maneuver music?

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It's terrific.

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There was every musical queue in this episode, every news.

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They even did, you know, the bit at the end of when Nomad

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arrives.

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It goes, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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It's great.

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So this is Mark Daniels, this is Mark Daniels again, who did what

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Spock's brain and...

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And the doomsday maneuver and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We've done it.

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We've done a fair amount of episodes so far.

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And this is sort of stylishly done, I think.

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Oh, yeah.

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I think I think if they are doing a bottle show on TOS.

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They find interesting ways to realise it.

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I can't get over this old version of the opening credits, the one

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that you're not watching.

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You're watching the new version.

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No, I'm seeing fabulous CGI planets, the Enterprises.

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It's still pretty damn great.

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Do you know, I've got to confess, I'm not that keen on the

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original series theme tune.

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No, it's...

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No, no, it's not really bad.

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It's one of the few times I actually press skip intro.

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Netflix.

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Oh wow, that is sacrilege.

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I like to have an excerpt at the very end of Strangely Worlds, I

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think, is pretty cute.

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Well, we talked about this when we did Strangely Worlds, but the

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way they took the bare bones of the original series and then added

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to it.

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That still gives me goosebumps when I listened to it now.

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So the 1st 10 minutes of this episode.

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I'm going to put this out there now are pretty interminable.

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Not a lot happens.

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Until the robot turns up, not a lot happens.

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Scott McNulty said that most episodes of TOS could have 10 minutes

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shaved off them.

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Well he was absolutely right with this one.

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Yeah, this is this is sort of fairly standard bridge facing an

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external threat kind of gear that we've seen a whole heap of times

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by now.

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What is that scanner that's spot puts his eyes into?

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Does that allow him to see outside the ship?

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I have literally no idea and I think probably no one does at all.

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It's not the last time, you know, in this episode where he'll be

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caressing a piece of equipment like this.

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No, that's true.

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But even Ethan Peck has a scanner like that.

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So uh, it's one of the things that we uh, that we enjoy about

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original series.

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I love the 2nd series.

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Ahura look.

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She looks so beautiful in Siri suit.

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Yeah, she is pretty stunning, isn't she?

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She's fabulous.

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Well, we should say something nice about our character now because

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there's some problematic things coming out. terrible things to say

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about what's happening.

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So Warp 15.

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That seems quite fast.

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Well, I believe in threshold when they hit Walk 10.

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Yes, that's interesting.

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Tom Harris turned into a lizard person and ended up having sex

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with Jayway as an amazing person.

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Yeah, who was also a lizard person.

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Yeah.

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So I, it's a bit like, you know, when we did the animated series

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and they were making up the star dates, they're just making up, I

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think.

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Oh, no, sorry. very big number.

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No, this is before Next Generation came along and put a limit on

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these things, you know, and said, well, you can't do, you can't go

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beyond warp, whatever.

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Yeah, because it's some weird logarithmic scale or something and

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so the distance between 9.6 and 9.7 is the same as the distance, or

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whatever.

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Who cares?

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Well, didn't they have an episode where every single time they go

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to warp, there's an environmental disaster or something?

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Yeah, I mean, I kind of like that. and it lasted for about 2

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minutes.

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I mean, it's a very boring episode, but it's quite a good idea.

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It's a tedious episode. full of ten, about like bad.

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Really bad.

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Oh here we go.

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So what's occurring here now?

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They've come across the mysterious green light.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So it's not green, actually, in the original.

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It's just in various wobbly white lights that are coming towards

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them.

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They've just fired a photon torpedo at it and it's absorbed the

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photon torpedo.

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So...

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It's very like a Doomsday machine.

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In that, it was the mysterious yellow cube, wasn't it?

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No, no, no, that was the Corbamite maneuver, had the mysterious

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yellow cube.

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Oh, that's right, sorry.

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Doom machine.

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The mysterious kind of poo shaped leech thing.

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Big glowing arsehole, wouldn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. sort of pinched off at the end.

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So it's entirely a thing.

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So, yeah, like, I get what you mean.

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There's not much going on here.

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They're making a sort of recent tense.

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I think they're kind of doing the same things they were doing in

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called Mite maneuver, aren't they?

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They're trying to get away from it.

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They're trying to fire on it.

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Yeah, there's J Random, this guy on the left of the screen

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pressing the other buttons and not getting very much to say.

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So you really enjoyed the call might maneuver.

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Whereas it had lots of lengthy kind of periods of not much

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occurring.

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So why did you have less of a reaction to this one?

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It, it seemed to feel more tense.

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And it was assisted by having, you know, lieutenant, a lieutenant

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sort of panicky fuckwit at the, at the ops or whatever.

334
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Yeah, yeah, just breakdown.

335
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Yeah, yes.

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And that kind of emphasised the threat.

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And the threat seemed weird, whereas this is just a sort of

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glowing light.

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I mean, the threat seemed much weirder for some reason.

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With the Corbinite maneuver, you had that character threat, didn't

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you, of him pushing that man too far.

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I'm being called at it.

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With the doomsday machine, you had Decker and so there was...

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There's not really anything in this, is there?

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It's basically just about the robot and the relationship.

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Oh, sorry, the mystery of where that, where the probe has been

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and...

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And what he's up to now.

349
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But, you know, it is exactly the plot of, um, Star Trek the most.

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Motion picture.

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Yeah, yeah, except the probe is sexier in Star Trek, the motion

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picture because it's that lady with the shaved head.

353
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Well, it's full of beautiful visuals, but I'd say this is a nice

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condensed version of that.

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Star Trek and the Motion picture. felt like it went on forever.

356
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Oh, I did.

357
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Yeah, it's very slow.

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I would really like to watch the new director's cut, actually, and

359
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I need to get round to it at some point.

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If we ever get that on the randomiser, then we'll do that

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version.

362
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Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

363
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I've heard more things.

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Ahura's getting quite a lot to do and say.

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At the beginning of this.

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Is that because later on she's going to become like an important

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point?

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Well, not an important plot point, just something embarrassing

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that happens that they should have thought twice about.

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We've done a few of these TOS episodes now, Nathan, and this is

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the most she's had to do in any of them.

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Like, in, do you remember Spock's brain?

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I think she appeared in one scene, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay, so they're trying to they're trying to think or figure out

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what on earth this thing is.

378
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Yeah, there are little moments that remind me reminded me weirdly

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at the end of Discovery series 4 where they're kind of, you know

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it wants them to communicate in a mathematical way and they're

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trying to find some kind of shared language, but it all takes

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about, you know, a minute or so and then it just starts speaking

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to them in English.

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I wonder if you literally looked at the franchise as a whole, you

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know, how many scenes of some thing, you know, debris floating in

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space that they're trying to figure out there is.

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I'm willing to bet a lot of episodes.

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Oh, yeah, a lot, a lot, I think.

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Scary.

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I just, like, like for a little while, they think that nomad's a

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ship, but they know that it's about a metre long, and so they

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think it's full of little guys, which I think is kind of cute

393
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wouldn't be quite fun, wouldn't it?

394
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Yeah, they would never have been able to realise that, would

395
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they?

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I guess they've done that one time, haven't they?

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That episode I was telling you about the other week.

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DS9 is one little ship.

399
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It's that tiny runabout going about, causing mischief.

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That was really fun.

401
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There were those little those little tough photon torpedoes that

402
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shoots the... the Gemadal.

403
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I had seen it, but I absolutely don't remember it.

404
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I think you'd like it, you know.

405
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All right.

406
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So what's happening here?

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Are we going to the transporter room?

408
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So this is the 10 minutes before the before the thing arrives.

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We're kind of...

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Yeah, see that, and this is why we're struggling here, because not

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a lot is going on in these 1st 10 minutes.

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But now, here, now, now, finally arrived.

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Oh my god, look at him.

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I would love to have one of those hanging in the corner of my room

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you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it recurs obviously all the time.

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And as recently as the Picard season 2 episode in the party just

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before the launch of the Europa mission, there was a model of the

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original probe, apparently in the background, because it was

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supposed to have been launched in the early 2000s, like in the

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early 21st century.

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No, we actually see we actually see a visual of what it looked

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like before it crashed into the other and got repaired.

425
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But this is the same thing that happens to Viga.

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So Vida is Vida is the Voyager probe, and it crashes into an alien

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thing and becomes something that wants to come back to Earth and

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destroys us all or something.

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We just had, you know, that very dramatic TOS musical sting when

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he arrived on the transport bat.

431
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So is he supposed to be quite scary looking?

432
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Um I don't know.

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What do you think?

434
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Was he scary looking in the 1960s?

435
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I have a bag shit robots.

436
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I actually think it's a pretty great pro.

437
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I really quite like.

438
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I just think the idea of a robot floating about the set is. is

439
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really fun.

440
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Yeah, yeah.

441
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It's pretty awesome.

442
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Spock says it was a highly sophisticated computer.

443
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Yeah, all right.

444
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Yeah.

445
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So good.

446
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Yeah, I think he's sort of cute.

447
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Like the design is great and all the brushed aluminum on his body

448
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and all of that and the flashing lights.

449
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And they direct him really interestingly as well because he's

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often given just reaction shots and stuff, so we cut to nomad to

451
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see what he thinks of it and of course he just looks the same as

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he always does. that's kind of slightly hilarious, I think.

453
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Well, let's kind of make no mistake.

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The only thing that is stopping from this from being the barest

455
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TOS episode is the fact that that robot's in it, you know. so

456
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great.

457
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Yeah, he is pretty good.

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Here he goes.

459
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Look at sadness reaction.

460
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Do you know what?

461
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Scotty goes, I think we've missed the bit where he goes, sir, I

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think that's a machine.

463
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In my professional opinion, that's a robot.

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I'm like, motion, it's so wobbly.

465
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It's super heavy, but it's just being sort of...

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You think they'd make it lightly.

467
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You're gonna be disbelief.

468
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Well, I had to feed all those wires and shit in there, all those

469
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lines, I guess.

470
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I don't know.

471
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Oh, look, even when it's a stationary, it's kind of wobbling.

472
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Oh, no, Matt.

473
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I don't know, I feel like they personify it quite well with that

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voice.

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Like, yeah, in fact, even the desire. there's an intelligence

476
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there. you know?

477
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But the design of it, right?

478
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Where that sort of weird ass thing at the top of it looks a bit

479
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like a head and it's kind of got lights in the top half of it.

480
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And seeing this guy.

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This photo, Mr. Sin, I'll tell you what, not only is he extremely

482
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hot.

483
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But I think his great, great, great, great, great grandfather

484
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turns up in the T-E-N-G episode, Lonely Among Us.

485
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That's the episode where Picard gets infected by the gas cloud and

486
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starts transmitting new electricity overwrapped.

487
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And there's a chief engineer in there called Mr. Sing.

488
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I think they're related.

489
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That is true.

490
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But you see, it looks like a person.

491
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So it's got that head with the sort of weird googly eyes sticking

492
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out of it and then like shoulders and stuff.

493
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So it is kind of personified without having any sort of really

494
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recognisable human features.

495
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It's got a vague shape.

496
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I'll tell you one moment where it's personified and that's when he

497
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hears O'Hara's voice and he has a massive probia erection.

498
00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:30.720
I'm telling you.

499
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It's probe comes straight out.

500
00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:35.220
Yeah, yeah, it's so ridiculous.

501
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Do you know what they're having to do as well?

502
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It's so sad because obviously they normally walk at a certain

503
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.400
speed, but they're having to walk alongside the robot.

504
00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:43.140
So they have to walk.

505
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:47.099
They're all having to tie their movements very carefully. the

506
00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:48.720
robot and slipping alongside them.

507
00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:50.700
There's some weird.

508
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.859
Cards here too, that are just not very good.

509
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.119
I don't know what's happening.

510
00:23:54.839 --> 00:24:00.720
So Nomad thinks that uh, humanoids are, it's a biological

511
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.220
infestation, doesn't he?

512
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.480
He thinks we're inefficient and he's been sent off the planets

513
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:07.980
what to just eradicate everybody.

514
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:14.279
Well, so they recognise the name nomad and so they know that it's

515
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.480
a probe that they sent out, but it's like, why does it want to

516
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:23.220
destroy biological creatures because we didn't send a probe out

517
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:23.819
that would do that?

518
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:26.940
Yeah.

519
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.920
Oh my god, we're quite a great one.

520
00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:30.299
How could you call?

521
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.839
The population of 5 planets of biological infestation.

522
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:41.160
And what's all this weird thing about Kirk being his creator?

523
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:44.400
So the person that sent out the original probe, is it, is that a

524
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.559
genuine fact that his name was Kirk?

525
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:51.720
No, no, his name's Roy Kirk, and we see a picture of him later, and

526
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.579
it's a picture of Mark Daniels.

527
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.480
Mark Daniels.

528
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:55.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

529
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.420
Yeah, which is pretty exciting.

530
00:24:57.900 --> 00:25:02.039
And I was expecting Singh to be killed and I'm kind of delighted

531
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.039
that he wasn't because he's got even more red on him than a normal

532
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:05.759
red shirt.

533
00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:11.160
And I just thought as a non-white person, he was at risk of

534
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:11.579
death.

535
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.920
And I'm glad that he survives the episode.

536
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.500
Like McCoy doesn't really have much to do beyond reaction to the

537
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:20.880
fact that people are being killed.

538
00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:24.960
Oh, yeah, but he does get, I mean, he gets the scenes in Sick Bay

539
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.079
because Sick Bay becomes important because the 2 people who don't

540
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.720
actually get vaporised by a nomad.

541
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.319
Oh, let's not even talk about...

542
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:38.220
I mean, Scott, he's got to get a blast from Nomad in a minute, and

543
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.619
I felt for a 2nd that Stephen Moffatt was writing the script.

544
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.640
Did, not did.

545
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:42.660
Yeah, it's going to get better.

546
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.859
Oh, I can see how he thought he might die.

548
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.079
I just thought, oh, Singh was gonna cop it at this point.

549
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.180
Oh, I love how they're all talking to this robot like it's a

550
00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:54.359
person.

551
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:56.099
Yeah, I know it's wonderful, isn't it?

552
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.559
The highlight of all of their careers.

553
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.859
But sorry, my point was about the sort of the trio of McCoy and

554
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:09.660
Spock and Kirk is I think Spock used really well in this because

555
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:11.759
he gets that fabulous moment with the mind mailed.

556
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:14.880
Plus, he's the one that's correlating all the information and Kirk

557
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.779
gets a great role in this because he gets to have the dialogue

558
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:23.160
with the robot and use the fact that he thinks he's his creator to

559
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:23.819
his advantage.

560
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.099
So they're getting fun things to do.

561
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:27.900
Look at her.

562
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.359
She's got a pencil and I'd love to see them.

563
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:33.960
I'd love to see more pencils on Star Trek because she's absolutely

564
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.440
a peak receptionist in this episode, isn't she?

565
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:38.160
She's...

566
00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:40.559
They couldn't have had that probe on nomad, go out in any other

567
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.039
direction.

568
00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:41.640
Could they?

569
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:43.259
I mean, when he hears her singing.

570
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:48.180
Honestly, looks like he's got a massive stiffy and then he's

571
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:49.200
coming out of his nose.

572
00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:51.839
That's his face that's coming out of, for God's sake.

573
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.539
They don't know where I'm going.

574
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.819
He looks very imperious, doesn't he?

575
00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.119
He's wearing interesting uniforms. very grand.

576
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:02.940
Do you know, I don't you love how casual they are when they sit

577
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.119
around talking about problems in the original series.

578
00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:08.759
In next generation, they're all kind of setting up, you know, with

579
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:09.539
sticks up their butts.

580
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

581
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:12.839
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

582
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:18.900
I, it is a peculiarly Star Trek, the Next Generation thing.

583
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.940
Although it is a sort of Berman Trek thing.

584
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.880
You know, like they try and create characters who are a bit more

585
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.319
kind of chill, but because they're so shit at dialogue, it never

586
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.259
really works and they just still end up being space people.

587
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.759
Um, there's, see, there's no, there's, there's no man there before

588
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:36.960
it's been adapted.

589
00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:39.599
And is that a genuine depiction of...

590
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.880
Is it a real pro?

591
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:43.500
Is it all fiction real?

592
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:44.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:44.759
No it's not real.

594
00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:49.440
Oh, so, yeah, the original, the motion picture, that was Voyager

595
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.339
Pro, wasn't it?

596
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.819
Yeah, Voyager was real and had just been sent out a couple of

597
00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:54.599
years earlier.

598
00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:58.140
And so that made it more effective as well because Viga was

599
00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:02.579
something that we had just launched into space with our nudes on

600
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:03.119
it as well.

601
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:07.980
We did have that golden thing which had 2 nude white people on

602
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:08.099
it.

603
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.160
I rather like the naivety, Nathan, though, of the fact that they

604
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.720
sent out something that looked like a nomad.

605
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.299
Yeah, civilisation, yeah.

606
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.339
Well, I think it had been changed.

607
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240
Perhaps whatever it was, the other installed those lights or

608
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.099
whatever or the death ray.

609
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:23.579
Who knows?

610
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.980
But can you try and explain something to me?

611
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.119
Because later on when Spock has the mind melled with the robot?

612
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.660
He's, he's not talking in spot language.

613
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:34.920
He talking in robot language.

614
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:39.779
It's all sort of broken, you know, computer language of the

615
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:40.740
1960s.

616
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.220
So we're not really getting much of a story of what's occurred.

617
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.920
It's kind of couching computer metaphor.

618
00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:49.319
Yeah, yeah, it's sort of weirdly poetic.

619
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:54.059
I thought it was kind of weirdly poetic, that language to try and

620
00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:57.000
find out much about who it encountered.

621
00:28:57.059 --> 00:28:59.039
No, and that's okay, I think.

622
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:03.539
But then we don't really figure out why it's motive for then

623
00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.440
wiping out all these people for no reason.

624
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

625
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:10.799
Well, that's the other thing.

626
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:15.119
But think about, think about Devil in the Dark, which is one of

627
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.640
the best hero episodes, you know, and you've got people being

628
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:18.119
murdered.

629
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:22.380
And then he does the mind mailed with the mother, the water, and

630
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:26.460
then and then there's a proper motive as to why these people are

631
00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:27.779
being killed because she's trying to protect her.

632
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:28.680
So they can do it.

633
00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:30.779
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.079
I mean, I think this is, there's a sense in which hashtag shit

635
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:35.519
robot is sort of right.

636
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:39.599
I think it's a greatly designed robot and the performance is

637
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.960
really great, but it's kind of just here to be super scary.

638
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.480
I'll have you know, across the ocean and 20 years later, they

639
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.960
created that federation security robot in Blake seven, all right?

640
00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:54.960
This is a 1000000 times better than that, actually.

641
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.200
This is the streamlined sexy version.

642
00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:03.180
So this is, you know, what is that, what is this human thing you

643
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:04.559
call singing and stuff?

644
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:07.559
and that's super boring and that's something that Star Trek kind

645
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:08.700
of does all the time.

646
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:15.059
Um, and then, before I started watching this episode, uh, I said

647
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:17.099
my Broncos, what series are you doing?

648
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.119
I said, oh, TOS.

649
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:20.880
He went, oh, so there'll be a scene where, you know, someone says

650
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.740
what is this human thing called love?

651
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.759
Well, that's the equivalent.

652
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:24.539
Just there, isn't it?

653
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:26.460
So we just wiped...

654
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.240
We just wiped her as mind and killed Scotty.

655
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.519
And at some point...

656
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.160
And he gets to say, he says, he's dead.

657
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:36.420
He gets to say it.

658
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.140
There it is.

659
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.599
Woohoo. absolutely superb.

660
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.720
Massive close up on William Shatler's face.

661
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:44.519
That's for the ad break. what we want.

662
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.359
That's what we want.

663
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:50.759
I mean, it is literally just to give this episode number 5 minutes

664
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:51.000
right?

665
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:53.579
Or is it to show just how dangerous nomad is?

666
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:59.400
Yeah, but we do see him kill like 2 sets of like 2 pairs of white

667
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.720
guys, security guards.

668
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:02.759
We don't know those people, Nathan.

669
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.779
We don't care about those people.

670
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.559
We don't give a shit.

671
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:09.480
That's right But I reckon, I think I've said this before that I

672
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.619
was told as a kid that Star Trek, and this was the only Star Trek

673
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.799
there was back then, that Star Trek was really scary and would

674
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.880
give me nightmares.

675
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:21.960
And I reckon those people being vaporised by nomad would have

676
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.819
scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

677
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.900
I didn't know if you remember the direction in like Devil in the

678
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.599
Dark, I was just talking about, but it's really creepy episode.

679
00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:32.759
It's a great episode.

680
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.299
POV shots of the monster killing people and things like that, you

681
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:36.480
know?

682
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.799
Yeah, yeah.

683
00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:39.900
Oh, this is a bit in a minute.

684
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.680
This is the bit of a minute where they choose to shoot handheld

685
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.500
behind Nomad, going into the turbine.

686
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:47.640
If you have a theory here, don't you?

687
00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:53.099
Well, because because no man couldn't go into the turbo lift

688
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:54.839
because there's a wire.

689
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:59.640
He's hanging from a fishing line and the turbo lift has an arched

690
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.720
door thing.

691
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:02.880
And so he just couldn't have gone in.

692
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:04.859
Like, he's being operated from above.

693
00:32:04.859 --> 00:32:05.579
It looks so striking.

694
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.859
I'm like, well, why didn't they do that more?

695
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.420
Because it looks really quite good.

696
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:10.740
It is very good.

697
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.019
Suddenly it's better than the thing than the thing wobbling

698
00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:13.440
across.

699
00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:15.420
I mean, I mean, did you see a minute ago when it came into the

700
00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:18.720
bridge and it took them about 15 seconds to realise this robot was

701
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.500
halfway through the room.

702
00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:22.319
Yeah, it doesn't make a noise, which is kind of cool.

703
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:24.779
Starfleet training is not what it was.

704
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:25.680
I'm telling you.

705
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:26.099
No.

706
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.559
Yeah, no, robot perception training.

707
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:32.220
Oh, God, look at that.

708
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.380
Scotty's hypocephalogram.

709
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.799
Yeah, it's just like a cephalogram only more hyper.

710
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:40.559
I think it's probably what that is.

711
00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:42.599
Oh, here we go.

712
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.559
Look, he's wobbly across the set again.

713
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.619
Oh, he's so delightful.

714
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.599
Why didn't they keep him on his list?

715
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.799
I mean, he's really cute.

716
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:53.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.980
And so, like, they're communicating with him.

718
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.440
They're not like sticking the tapes in him like you do with a

719
00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.160
normal computer.

720
00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:04.680
They are playing sound or flashing lights at him.

721
00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:07.500
What was that all about in a minute when they're in Sick Bay?

722
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:10.680
and she goes, oh, here's another tape ahura. and she's putting

723
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.299
it's like slotting it in like a cassette.

724
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:13.920
It's just so great.

725
00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:17.700
But they're playing, they're playing this noise to him like, like

726
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:22.319
a TRS 80 where you stick the, the audio cassette in and the

727
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.960
program is encoded in sort of weird noises.

728
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:28.079
If they do, I don't know if they've done it yet, but if they do it

729
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.740
straight into well, someone's slotting a cassette into...

730
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:32.579
It would be amazing.

731
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:33.480
So good.

732
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:37.500
It's a shame they know what computers are now, you know, now that

733
00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:39.779
they're shame, isn't it?

734
00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:41.099
It is a little bit of a shame.

735
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.259
Oh, here we go.

736
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:44.579
Look at this this shot.

737
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.319
And De Forrest Kevin is just looking at the robot, like, the top

738
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.619
of its head is out of shot because someone's holding it, you know

739
00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:55.319
like, or holding it on the end of a thing because there's no way.

740
00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:56.579
Look, it goes into the lift.

741
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.119
We follow it.

742
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.779
There's a bit of a goof there because Sulu was at his console a

743
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:03.299
minute ago and then he was just coming out with a lift.

744
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.539
He went for a wee, I think, probably.

745
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:08.699
It's the original Nurse Chapel.

746
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.420
Nurse Chapel.

747
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:09.960
Yeah.

748
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:12.960
Played by these fabulous Major Barrett.

749
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:13.920
Miguel Barrett.

750
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:16.380
She's, she's, I really like her.

751
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.860
But, you know, I absolutely adore New Nurse Chapel.

752
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:20.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:25.500
Well, it said it before, it takes 22 actors to replace her, I

754
00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:30.300
think. and that's exactly what they have on Strangely Worlds.

755
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.699
So nobody is basically saying I can bring people back to life.

756
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:41.400
Well, I think he only killed him a little bit, you know, and that

757
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.239
happens a lot, you know.

758
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:43.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

759
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.920
Do you remember that TNG episode where Beverly Beverly Crusher

760
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.619
says, you know, right, we can kill Troy, but only for 2 minutes.

761
00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:51.599
And then I've got to bring her back to life.

762
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.360
Magic technical staff.

763
00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:59.039
Yeah, so I'm glad that he's worried.

764
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:07.079
He's worried, he's worried about Nichelle Nichols, but no one else

765
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:07.440
is.

766
00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:08.940
No one's actually mentioned her.

767
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:15.960
And I think that this is incredibly gross and we'll get to it in a

768
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:16.079
minute.

769
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.400
What's something that nobody cares or just how the whole thing's

770
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.800
handled. how the whole thing's handled.

771
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:25.860
I mean, it should never have been done or whatever.

772
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:30.599
I didn't want to kill her, obviously.

773
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.260
Well, they just want to show the impact of what this thing can

774
00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:34.500
do.

775
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.699
That's what it is.

776
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.179
And so they kill one character and they kind of brainwipe another

777
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:39.599
character.

778
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.460
Yeah, that's scary that bit too when it says think of music, like

779
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:46.079
it's trying to extract thoughts from her.

780
00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:53.400
So here she is like barely able to speak and this is...

781
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:55.380
How does that even make sense in plotting terms?

782
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.360
Well, you know, you restore Scott, yeah.

783
00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:58.619
He had more damage.

784
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

785
00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:03.840
It's just whatever they want to do is whatever the rule is, you

786
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:04.079
know.

787
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:08.400
I'm assuming in the next episode, Ahura is back to her usual. and

788
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.179
we never mentioned this.

789
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:13.260
So they have managed to train her up from what, grade one reading

790
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:17.639
level to sophisticated linguist between store episodes.

791
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:21.360
Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing she was never really a

792
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.719
linguist in the original series, was she?

793
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:31.739
She did speak Swahili, because she was, you know, that was her

794
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:32.820
language.

795
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.639
You know, she wasn't African-American, she was African, I think.

796
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:40.440
There's an interesting bit of trivia about that because Mark

797
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:44.340
Daniels, the director, did not want her to talk.

798
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.280
So he wanted just a talking broken English.

799
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:54.000
And Michelle Nichols refused to film the scene and said, and he

800
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.699
goes, well, it doesn't matter, you know, it's like Ahura speaks

801
00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:59.940
English and she goes, yeah, but you know, and you speak, and she

802
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:02.820
just went, well, I'm Michelle Nichols, and I'm telling you, Ahura

803
00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:04.260
this is where she comes from.

804
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.119
This is her native language and it got so heated that Gene

805
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.179
Roddenbury had to come down onto the set because she refused to

806
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:16.860
film it and Roddenbury took Michelle Nichols side and said, get a

807
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:17.639
linguist down here.

808
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.860
Let's give her some lines of dialogue in Swahili.

809
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:20.460
She's right.

810
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:21.539
Right.

811
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:26.460
Yeah, I mean, if it's wiped all of her knowledge, you know, like

812
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:30.059
and she's sort of lying in bed like a doll.

813
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:30.960
A zombie.

814
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.679
Awful.

815
00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:34.139
But it will get worse.

816
00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:38.460
You know, there are ways of lighting that string, you know, so

817
00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:39.780
it's not so visible.

818
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.380
Like you can really see it there, can't you, as it's bobbing up

819
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:43.619
and down?

820
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:49.800
Well, I think maybe my my window isn't quite big enough or...

821
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.699
Oh, can you not say it?

822
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.300
Well, see, my, I kind of like gave it an excuse and said, that's

823
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:56.519
just an extra probe coming out the top of his hit and we just

824
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.780
can't see where it ends, you know?

825
00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.280
literally a string.

826
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.639
Oh, you can't blame them for that, though.

827
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:07.500
No, no, no.

828
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.039
Oh, this.

829
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:08.760
Here we go.

830
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:10.440
Jesus Christ, this is awful.

831
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:12.599
It's so bad.

832
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:17.340
And she's like, she's giving this very weird pouty performers

833
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:18.059
isn't she?

834
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:19.500
Yeah, yeah, like she's a child.

835
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.960
It's super gross.

836
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:25.320
And like, what makes it gross is it's the only regular black

837
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:29.940
character who we now see, you know, trying to learn to read.

838
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:36.119
And then at the end of this scene, when she, she's struggling to

839
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.260
get the word blue.

840
00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:44.159
Oh, yeah. and they laugh indulgently at her. they should both be

841
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:44.639
slapped.

842
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:48.599
And it's very weird as well because she's kind of doing this sort

843
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.099
of broken language.

844
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.639
And yeah, when Nurse Chapel goes off, she goes, oh, cheers

845
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.059
Christine.

846
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:55.559
I'm like, what?

847
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:00.059
There's no real consistency to this performance.

848
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:00.719
No.

849
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:04.739
Well, I think it was just a hugely ill advised thing.

850
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.260
And the fact that they give soap. yeah, there we go.

851
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.099
All right, Steve.

852
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.619
Frankly, David, I'm surprised they've even given they've even done

853
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:11.099
this scene.

854
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.679
You know, I'm surprised they didn't just wipe her mind and then

855
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.400
she was okay again.

856
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.139
Yeah.

857
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.860
So we discovered that by the end she's reading at college age.

858
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.800
So it's taken her one day.

859
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:23.460
Did you see that line?

860
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.659
Do you think we can re-educate her doctor about the only black

861
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:28.860
character on this show?

862
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.239
Yeah, it's really super gross.

863
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:31.679
It is terribly gross.

864
00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:35.760
And then McCoy goes, well, now it's up to us, you know, to

865
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:36.480
civilise her.

866
00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:40.739
The ball is just hearing.

867
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.440
Bluey. so gross.

868
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.059
But it's not even funny.

869
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.039
No, no, it's not funny.

870
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:49.739
I don't know what it's for just embarrassing.

871
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:50.639
Oh my god.

872
00:39:50.699 --> 00:39:51.480
Do you remember?

873
00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:52.019
Oh, look at them.

874
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:52.920
They laugh.

875
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:56.159
They're laughing and then she pulls a funny comedy face.

876
00:39:56.219 --> 00:40:01.739
Do you remember when Molly O'Brien fell down a weird anomaly in a

877
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:03.780
planet and then got her back and shit.

878
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:04.619
She was an adult.

879
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.619
But she'd been stuck on this planet and they're doing scenes like

880
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:09.059
going, hello, Molly.

881
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.139
This is a bowl.

882
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.000
Would you like the bowl, Marley?

883
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:14.880
Well, I'm sorry, I was getting a bit of a, those vibes from that

884
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:15.179
scene?

885
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:16.320
Yeah, yeah.

886
00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:17.880
But I think this is more gross than that.

887
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:21.960
You know, like that was some bullshit time thing and it was

888
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.539
something normal actor who plays Molly and all of that sort of

889
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:24.780
thing.

890
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.900
So, and there was not the uncomfortable racial thing.

891
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.480
I got a secret love for times orphan, you know, I hope we get it

892
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:30.780
soon.

893
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.780
It's kind of terrible, but I do know it.

894
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.019
I want to get children of time.

895
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.639
Is it children first?

896
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:39.840
That's amazingly good.

897
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.539
Don't tell me that's why you don't like.

898
00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:46.440
No, I do, but everyone bitches about 2 vics and no one bitches

899
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.239
about children of time, for God's sake.

900
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:51.719
Odo just kills someone so he can continue to get laid.

901
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.440
Is this the mind meld now?

902
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:56.880
Oh, yeah.

903
00:40:56.940 --> 00:41:00.780
And again, I think this is a little bit slow.

904
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.539
It's a little bit light on interest.

905
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:07.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah. prompts to him.

906
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.099
Yeah, that's right.

907
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.920
Look at how he caresses the robot.

908
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.039
No, because it's like its face and then like his...

909
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:18.480
What, left hand is touching its breasts about...

910
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:20.820
You know, I do find it very strange because then he starts sort of

911
00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:22.559
walking around it, doesn't he?

912
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:24.599
And touching it all over the place.

913
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:26.400
I'm like, well, you don't normally do that.

914
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:27.719
Normally you just touch someone's head.

915
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:30.599
Yeah, but there's not a lot of interest to be had.

916
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:33.480
And like, it's not like nomads giving him much back.

917
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:38.340
Well, this is this plays out very like that scene in Devil in the

918
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:41.159
Dark, because that's all done in broken sort of language as well

919
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:42.000
just like this.

920
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:45.900
But I don't know, because it's like a biological entity, there's

921
00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:46.380
murdering.

922
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.239
It kind of has a bit more impact, you know?

923
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:50.340
Yeah, and it's an animal, isn't it?

924
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.420
Like, is it an animal?

925
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.139
How sentient?

926
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:52.559
Is it?

927
00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:55.739
Like the horter is an animal or sort of an animal or not?

928
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.320
I suppose it's supposed to be like a magma creature?

929
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.659
What it is, actually, is it like a duvet?

930
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.519
The colour of macro.

931
00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:03.900
Yeah, I love it, it's fantastic.

932
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:05.699
It is pretty incredible.

933
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.139
I watch all this all this weird like ton Rue, these strange...

934
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:17.280
Yeah, that was the thing that it kind of crashed into and you know

935
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.960
it's rebuilt out of both of them.

936
00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:22.920
The same way that Voyager, the Voyager is, you know, the Voyager

937
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:24.659
and oh, he's going to kiss it.

938
00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:34.079
It looks very true. waltzing with it. with no man.

939
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.780
I do have a feeling though, like, if you were like a non-Star Trek

940
00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:42.360
fan, yeah, that looked upon the entire Star Trek franchise.

941
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:47.639
You'd be watching this scene going, this is everything I feared.

942
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:53.039
A man with a man with shit alien ears, touching a robot, talking

943
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:53.880
in broken English.

944
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:55.380
Like this confirms everything.

945
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.599
Actually, it's turning me on now.

946
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.539
I've got a bit.

947
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.940
Um, uh, my partner goes to me.

948
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.019
You say, well, I'll watch it with you.

949
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.519
And I'm really pleased he didn't.

950
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.599
I'm really pleased. never would have heard the end of it.

951
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.360
We are complete.

952
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.940
We are instructed.

953
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:20.280
It's so strange.

954
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:26.340
I think too, what happens is we get this, which is is kind of

955
00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:31.440
attempting to be poetic, but not very poetic or trying to kind of

956
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.519
give us a sense of how robots think, but again, it isn't really

957
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.000
anything.

958
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:38.760
And then... supposed to get from that?

959
00:43:38.820 --> 00:43:41.940
What are we supposed to take away from how robots think?

960
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.320
Well, I don't know.

961
00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:46.139
I mean, it's just something, I don't know, it's colour.

962
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.400
And then...

963
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.599
And then you get, and then you get...

964
00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:53.280
He just explains it to us.

965
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.280
Why is she so rough with him?

966
00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:58.260
He like shoved him against the wall.

967
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.059
But we cut back to Nomad to see how he's reacting and he's just

968
00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:06.420
sort of standing there flashing because he's just a fucking prop.

969
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.559
It's so great.

970
00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:10.980
You know how I love everything furnishing?

971
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.619
What would you imagine that yellow piece of equipment next to them

972
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:15.300
there is kind of tunes coming out?

973
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.320
I spend a lot of time.

974
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:19.500
It does worry me that I spent a lot of time thinking about that

975
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.300
thing on the wall.

976
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.619
Why is it?

977
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.059
Because I don't know.

978
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.980
It's sort of, I think it, yeah, channels fluid towards the...

979
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:31.320
Yeah, the war engine or something. you know?

980
00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:33.659
I like the flashing lights in the background.

981
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.320
Look at that.

982
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:34.860
They're great.

983
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:35.760
That's like my keyboard.

984
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:37.679
Well, you just want to touch them all.

985
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:38.280
Clicking keyboard.

986
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:39.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

987
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.900
You probably end up firing a post on torpedo or two, passing

988
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:43.199
ships.

989
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:45.659
I sure they don't put the controls to that in a corridor where

990
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:47.219
just anyone could walk past.

991
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.900
But see, the problem with this is the communicator, isn't it?

992
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:53.340
They press the button and they talk.

993
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:53.760
That's right.

994
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:57.000
Do we get another one where you can just flush something out the

995
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.639
like the eject chamber, you know, where you can stick?

996
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:00.719
That was the animated series.

997
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:01.559
I remember.

998
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:03.780
Get the bomb out.

999
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.760
We've got this ejector button.

1000
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:14.219
But I think the problem here too is that we just have this scene

1001
00:45:14.219 --> 00:45:17.340
which basically does what the previous scene did.

1002
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.039
And so what was the point of the previous scene?

1003
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:27.000
Like again, they still spend a lot of time showing us and then

1004
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.139
telling us what we've seen.

1005
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.960
And now this is done with actual dialogue, isn't it?

1006
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:32.699
So he's basically saying, well, this is what's happened.

1007
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.559
This is what I just...

1008
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:36.239
Yeah, from that previous scene.

1009
00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:36.539
Exactly.

1010
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:41.579
And they don't they talk about why it's called the changing here

1011
00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:42.000
as well.

1012
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:46.559
Well, so he brings changing into it as a kind of metaphor that's

1013
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.960
that's Kirk's idea.

1014
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:53.519
It's like, uh, you know, fairy steel, your baby, and then replace

1015
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.920
it with a sort of weird simulacrum of your baby.

1016
00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:58.139
But I think it's a little bit kind of forced.

1017
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.739
Like they want to get the title in or they want to justify why

1018
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:02.579
it's called this.

1019
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.159
See, look at those lights flashing in a pattern.

1020
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.059
Oh, he's got his hands.

1021
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.019
Oh, that was so great.

1022
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.360
But it just goes straight through the force field and then here we

1023
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:15.539
go.

1024
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:16.980
Yes.

1025
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.119
Red shirts.

1026
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.860
Thanks, it looks so great.

1027
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:21.840
So good.

1028
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:23.760
Absolutely unchained.

1029
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:26.460
Now we cut to another scene with 2 more red shows there, done for

1030
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:27.179
I'm telling you.

1031
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.280
And I think they just have a chat with those guys.

1032
00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:32.280
Then it comes in and starts to kind of fix everything.

1033
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:34.500
No, because he's already...

1034
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.840
It literally just fall up in the air.

1035
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.679
It's amazing.

1036
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:42.119
Oh my god.

1037
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.500
But no, no, but if you've not seen, they've kind of realised how

1038
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:49.980
to like that.

1039
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.300
I couldn't see the string at all there.

1040
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.679
It just looked like it was floating.

1041
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:54.179
No, it didn't.

1042
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.800
You couldn't see the string, but it moved exactly like a thing on

1043
00:46:58.800 --> 00:46:59.880
the end of a big string, right?

1044
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.760
You are unsympathetic, Nathan. mostly.

1045
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:06.780
No, I felt they were really going for it. promised to the guy up

1046
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:10.139
in the gantry or something with the other end of the string, I

1047
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:10.980
reckon, in those scenes.

1048
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.119
They were...

1049
00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:14.340
And I love the fact that whenever someone's talking to it

1050
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:17.039
obviously it's stationary and sitting on something, but they're

1051
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.500
trying to give you the impression that it's still floating in the

1052
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.900
air, you know, so they've gone in close on it.

1053
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.820
Look at those flashing lights behind there.

1054
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.579
I know, it would be so distracting if you're trying to get

1055
00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:27.300
anything done.

1056
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.579
What the fuck, do you figure out what's going on in that ship with

1057
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:31.019
all those lights going crazy like that?

1058
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:32.880
It looks great though, doesn't it?

1059
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:38.280
Yeah, well, it's only more fun than, you know, TNG engineering

1060
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:38.699
sales.

1061
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:39.719
Yeah.

1062
00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:40.920
Yeah.

1063
00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:44.039
Although, again, Nathan, I can't see many reflective services in

1064
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:44.219
there.

1065
00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:48.059
Um, no, there aren't that many reflective surfaces.

1066
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.300
They haven't yet learned how to not have the cameras reflecting

1067
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:51.539
them.

1068
00:47:51.659 --> 00:47:55.739
Well, it's quite hard as well to find cardboard that reflects.

1069
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.139
Yeah, that's true. paint it silver.

1070
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.460
Nomad's got a bit of reflective surface there on his body.

1071
00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:09.900
So no man's coming in to improve the ship and it's going to

1072
00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:13.199
destroy the ship and then it says, oh, all right, well, I won't do

1073
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:13.619
that then.

1074
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.500
So that all seems sort of fairly pointless as well.

1075
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.480
So I think that...

1076
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.699
Now, look, we've been up a little bit critical here, but it's

1077
00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:24.059
worth noting at this point that last week we discussed dramatis

1078
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:26.039
personae, DS9 episode, okay?

1079
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:30.119
And we found nothing of interest or note whatsoever.

1080
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:30.900
No.

1081
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.840
And I, like, I think this is a bit dull.

1082
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:36.900
But it's nowhere near as dull as Dramatis Persona.

1083
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.659
And you kind of think that it would have been nice to think that

1084
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:44.820
in the 25 years between those 2 episodes or whatever it was, it

1085
00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:48.780
might have been nice to, you know, it would have been nice to

1086
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:51.119
think we'd learnt something about making TV drama.

1087
00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:53.639
Well, I've got to be honest.

1088
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.760
I think Jurathis's no personae would have been improved greatly.

1089
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:58.920
How flash a man had been there.

1090
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:02.219
If a flying robot, flare across the screen every now and again.

1091
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.420
Oh, I've been over the moon.

1092
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.599
Is there a Star Trek episode that wouldn't have been improved by

1093
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:06.900
that?

1094
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:08.880
The visitor whatsoever?

1095
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.219
You could just live.

1096
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:15.840
Oh, the classic night.

1097
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:20.579
Danger, Picard, Danger.

1098
00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:21.360
That is so good.

1099
00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:22.980
So good.

1100
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.619
No, so now we hear he's going back to Earth, which is super

1101
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:26.159
boring.

1102
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.599
But less boring than Rygel 7, as I said.

1103
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:32.639
Oh, bloody hell, look, there's our hand now camera work again.

1104
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:35.519
I think that happens less than we think, though, don't we?

1105
00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:37.920
Earth's not in danger very often in TOS, is it?

1106
00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:38.579
No, no, no, no.

1107
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.179
But if you're going to name a populated planet that's how these 2

1108
00:49:42.179 --> 00:49:43.980
white guys, they're toast.

1109
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:44.460
Look at them.

1110
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.179
Do you know what convinces me that there's robots alive?

1111
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.920
Everyone's reactions to it.

1112
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:51.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1113
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.860
Yeah, they looked at a robot then.

1114
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.019
They looked a bit scared and then they sort of moved aside.

1115
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:55.739
I'm like, okay.

1116
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.400
That does actually sell it because the one thing that struck me

1117
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.039
when I was watching it that hasn't watched, it hasn't struck me

1118
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.619
this time because we're kind of talking all the way through it, but

1119
00:50:04.619 --> 00:50:11.519
was the kind of weird arbitrariness of his behaviour, you know, he

1120
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:12.840
wipes her mind.

1121
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:13.860
Maybe that's it.

1122
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.440
He has to do a lot of different weird things.

1123
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:21.900
He then comes in and, you know, tries to fix the ship and he

1124
00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:24.599
wanders from place to place and then he declares he's going to go

1125
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:25.139
to...

1126
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.599
Like consistency to what he's up to, is there?

1127
00:50:27.659 --> 00:50:31.079
No, but I think that that's part of what makes him scary is that

1128
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.260
he can't be predicted or really reasoned with.

1129
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.099
And the way that everyone reacts to him.

1130
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:41.940
Like even when he 1st moves when he 1st moves out of the

1131
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:47.159
transporter room and just the way the actors respond to him, just

1132
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.019
to the fact that he moves.

1133
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.039
And so maybe that's it.

1134
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:50.639
Is that it?

1135
00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:52.139
That's why he's so scared.

1136
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.179
All I know is Mark Daniels.

1137
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.760
Mark Daniels was doing an incredible tracking shot there.

1138
00:50:56.820 --> 00:51:00.960
Yeah, but the reason he's doing it is because the set has a roof.

1139
00:51:01.019 --> 00:51:04.619
It's so the guy in the gadry can't...

1140
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:07.199
You know there's someone underneath that...

1141
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:08.219
Oh my god, hurry up.

1142
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.239
The fact that it's somehow...

1143
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:14.880
No, we cut before it hits that part of the roof.

1144
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:16.139
Oh, come on.

1145
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.000
There's nothing about watching that thing moving about that.

1146
00:51:18.059 --> 00:51:20.159
No, it's not a show.

1147
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:20.880
Look at this.

1148
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.320
That is so funny.

1149
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:24.000
That is the best bit.

1150
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:25.320
That's really great.

1151
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:26.820
Oh my god, it kept going.

1152
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.619
The guy didn't notice.

1153
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.179
It's going up the next floor.

1154
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:31.199
That's adorable.

1155
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.579
No, man, I love you so much.

1156
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:39.539
Honestly, I could just watch an episode of him flying around

1157
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:40.019
shit.

1158
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1159
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.679
Oh, see, this is looking quite scary too.

1160
00:51:43.739 --> 00:51:46.320
We... shut up pointing at it.

1161
00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:48.119
I'm telling you to stop, all right?

1162
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.940
I am no mad.

1163
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.380
I stop for no one.

1164
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:53.699
Oh my.

1165
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.519
I don't remember us laughing this much last week, you know What

1166
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:57.000
did he do?

1167
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:59.159
What did he do to nurse Chappell?

1168
00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:01.920
I think you should have taken all the women.

1169
00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:03.420
He's a very sexist robot.

1170
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:07.500
Yeah, what a perv. sexist and racist. needs to go.

1171
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:12.659
Yeah, yeah, it's coming and sexually harassed Migel and she's

1172
00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:13.199
fainted.

1173
00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:18.480
She does plenty of Latin TNG, you know, sexual harassment.

1174
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:19.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1175
00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:21.480
No, I'd like getting the other direction.

1176
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:21.960
That's fun.

1177
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.440
It was fun.

1178
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:28.139
So this is this is the point now where I've got to try and

1179
00:52:28.139 --> 00:52:29.280
outthink this thing now, mate.

1180
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:29.880
We heading to earth.

1181
00:52:29.940 --> 00:52:30.179
Yeah.

1182
00:52:30.179 --> 00:52:32.820
You know, they're going to wipe out all life on earth.

1183
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:33.659
Probably.

1184
00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:37.440
It'd be a bit embarrassing if that's how it all comes to an end.

1185
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.519
There are a lot of roofs.

1186
00:52:38.579 --> 00:52:41.460
There are a lot of ceilings in the buildings on Earth, so that

1187
00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:42.599
would restrict its movement.

1188
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:44.880
It would have to get some guide to carry it around.

1189
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:47.219
And like, it's this.

1190
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.780
It just, what's it doing?

1191
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.000
Oh, it's turned off the life support system.

1192
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.519
Mm.

1193
00:52:53.940 --> 00:52:58.199
So now that's why there's lots of people slumped all over the set

1194
00:52:58.199 --> 00:52:58.559
you know?

1195
00:52:58.619 --> 00:53:01.559
But Kirk's all right because he's the hero.

1196
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.300
Well, he's the lead, yeah.

1197
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:07.019
Yeah. extra oxygen supply or something.

1198
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.239
Yeah, no, superpowers.

1199
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.360
So this is this is one of those fabulous James Kirk defeats evil

1200
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:16.139
computer moment.

1201
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.059
Yeah, by talking.

1202
00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:21.360
I can assure you that somebody on memory alpha has listed every

1203
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:22.739
time that hasn't heard.

1204
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:25.500
There's only 4 instances.

1205
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.900
Actually, it's not as much of a cliche as you might think.

1206
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.840
Does he does he do it in the motion picture?

1207
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.940
I can't remember.

1208
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:37.139
No, I think Decker and Ileah kind of leave stay behind and

1209
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.820
sacrifice themselves or something.

1210
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.500
It's been such a long time since I saw it.

1211
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:46.800
I saw it in the cinema originally in probably 1979, 1978.

1212
00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:47.460
It's amazing.

1213
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.000
Oh, I only watched this just before we recorded, you know, I can't

1214
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.139
remember how they tricked this thing.

1215
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:53.820
I know they beam it off into space.

1216
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:56.820
But how do they get it to the transport pad?

1217
00:53:56.940 --> 00:54:00.960
It's a really low effort kind of paradox.

1218
00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:05.340
It's like, you know, I am your creator, but I'm imperfect.

1219
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:06.719
So how did I create you?

1220
00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:10.500
And it's all just kind of super tedious and not very interesting.

1221
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.480
I mean, and you know, one of the things too is now that we know

1222
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:21.420
about computers and we know that they are better than we are at a

1223
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:24.239
bunch of things, including like playing chess and go.

1224
00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:28.860
Like they're, you know, they're not as good as, as, as we are at

1225
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:33.480
recognising, you know, which images contain traffic lights and

1226
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:34.199
shit like that.

1227
00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:38.159
But they can do a lot of things better than us.

1228
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:40.800
And so the idea that we could create a computer that could do

1229
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.900
better than us at something is kind of impossible, isn't it?

1230
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.440
And so, I don't know, I don't know where I'm going with that.

1231
00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:51.480
No, but you know what?

1232
00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:54.300
You're giving it a lot more context than the episode bothers.

1233
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:55.019
Well...

1234
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:56.579
Yeah.

1235
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:57.420
Yeah.

1236
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:01.619
We can imagine imperfect people creating something that's better

1237
00:55:01.619 --> 00:55:04.260
at something than us, but Nomad can't.

1238
00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:09.659
He thinks that Kirk must be better than him, to have created him

1239
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:11.280
and that seems to be the paradox.

1240
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.760
But I think in the 60s, they just think that in the future

1241
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.000
computers are going to be all powerful beings.

1242
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.400
With personalities, you know?

1243
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:23.159
It's funny, but it didn't quite end up that way, did it?

1244
00:55:23.219 --> 00:55:28.619
Well, no, there were those sort of weird artificial intelligences

1245
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:33.300
that were on Twitter, like the Microsoft one that started being

1246
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:37.679
racist when it respond, like just because Twitter is such a

1247
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:38.039
cesspool.

1248
00:55:38.099 --> 00:55:39.420
Oh, I saw a video the other day.

1249
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:40.559
I do apologise for this.

1250
00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:43.920
But of a sex bot, the latest sex bot that's been created.

1251
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.840
Nathan, it was ghoulish.

1252
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:46.739
Yeah.

1253
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:48.960
So, you've been already coming anywhere near you. don't want

1254
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:49.079
that.

1255
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:50.340
No, no.

1256
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:51.900
Pornhub's free.

1257
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:56.699
Well, you know, when Rusty Davis, as a goer, creating future

1258
00:55:56.699 --> 00:56:00.420
robots in years and years, he creates the sex bot, doesn't he?

1259
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:01.679
That the guy's got it in the cupboard.

1260
00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:03.360
Oh my god.

1261
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:05.519
I forgot about that.

1262
00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:08.940
Oh, no, we're taking a little day because she's about to explode.

1263
00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:13.019
Get the magnets either side of him.

1264
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:13.380
Come on.

1265
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:18.360
So it's the antigraph thing and...

1266
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.639
Now they're just running with him.

1267
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.139
It doesn't weigh half a ton anymore, which is what it weighed

1268
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:25.380
before.

1269
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:28.800
He's actually saying error, error.

1270
00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:31.619
Yeah, it's fucking the robot. lost in space.

1271
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.519
Faulty, faulty.

1272
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:37.619
So stupid.

1273
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.840
It should have a how moment.

1274
00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:41.639
It should go like, Kirk.

1275
00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:42.480
Why?

1276
00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:43.860
Yes, why?

1277
00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:46.800
You created me. don't you love me?

1278
00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:48.659
Why are you being so critical?

1279
00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:50.699
Oh my god.

1280
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.400
Although we're heading towards what I think is the best scene of

1281
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.019
the whole thing, the lame joke at the end.

1282
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.760
Oh God.

1283
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.000
It really does look like that, you know, in Strangely Wells, the

1284
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.840
transport pad.

1285
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:04.980
It's very similar.

1286
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.099
It's got a lot more...

1287
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.159
No, it's a lot more sophisticated, but the...

1288
00:57:11.219 --> 00:57:12.480
We all exploded.

1289
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:14.099
Oh, yeah.

1290
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.019
How did that explosion look in the old effects?

1291
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.960
It was like a fabulous purple CGI.

1292
00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:20.159
No, no, no, that's great.

1293
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:22.860
Practical explosion, but...

1294
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.260
Nathan, I think you're probably watching the superior version if

1295
00:57:25.260 --> 00:57:26.280
you've got the shit effects on.

1296
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:31.380
Well, I don't mind the new effects, as I've said before, the

1297
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:33.420
dazzling display of logic. about that?

1298
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.599
But this isn't this isn't one where the new effects are really

1299
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:37.500
doing much for the episode.

1300
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.320
Well, I know there's hardly any new effects, I think.

1301
00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:44.039
Yeah, see, look at who is nearly back to college level.

1302
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.960
Within a week.

1303
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:48.719
She'll be fine within a week, ready for the next episode.

1304
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.280
Dr. Crusher has repaired her with her usual skill.

1305
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.559
It's so shit.

1306
00:57:55.619 --> 00:57:59.039
I mean, if you're going to do episodic television.

1307
00:57:59.099 --> 00:58:03.059
If you know that it's not going to have any effect and we're going

1308
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:06.840
to syndicate it and it could be shown in any order, don't do this

1309
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.679
just don't do it.

1310
00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:10.139
Like, I love it.

1311
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:11.340
This is so good.

1312
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.079
Do you think I'm up with our feelings?

1313
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:14.519
Yeah, what a cruel mum.

1314
00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:15.179
Mr. McCoy?

1315
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:17.820
I'm a proud mother.

1316
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.320
That little Jewish joke?

1317
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:23.039
Like, he's excited because he's the Jewish mother of a doctor, you

1318
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.260
know, like, like, imagine being.

1319
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:26.400
I know.

1320
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.780
Do you know what I love?

1321
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:30.900
is Deforest Kelly and Leonard Nimoy just staring off camera

1322
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:33.239
looking really out of the breast.

1323
00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:34.199
Are we doing this?

1324
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:39.300
I didn't think it was like that was how Shatner was playing it.

1325
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.480
You know, like he was being a Jewish mother, imagining that her

1326
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:43.380
son's a doctor.

1327
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:44.760
I think it's...

1328
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:45.840
In my mind, yeah.

1329
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.920
In my mind, every TOS episode ends on a lame joke and that kind of

1330
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:50.519
flute music.

1331
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.219
And when it does that, I can really disappoint it.

1332
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:54.119
Disappointed.

1333
00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:55.500
Yeah.

1334
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.860
Okay, but that, yeah.

1335
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.340
Well, I was going to say, I've got a, I've got a theory, what the

1336
00:59:02.340 --> 00:59:03.960
hell is that on the end credits?

1337
00:59:04.019 --> 00:59:04.920
a massive cat.

1338
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:08.880
Yeah, I'm seeing the massive cat and I'm seeing the, yeah, I don't

1339
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:09.360
know what that is.

1340
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.880
Oh, dead, yeah, they're selling...

1341
00:59:11.940 --> 00:59:13.860
I didn't realise in series 2.

1342
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:14.699
They had all these.

1343
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:18.239
In series one, it was just a Baylock, wasn't it?

1344
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:20.519
Hilarious. okay.

1345
00:59:20.579 --> 00:59:23.820
Am I the theory about the episode that we've just watched, and

1346
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:28.440
that is, I think it would probably be better, not better realised

1347
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.260
but better as an animated series episode.

1348
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.059
Condense down to 22 minutes.

1349
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:37.800
You could probably tell the same story without all the flab and it

1350
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.920
would be much more enjoyable. a bit less racism.

1351
00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:44.639
Yeah, I think probably is always good advice, you know.

1352
00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:45.360
Yeah.

1353
00:59:45.420 --> 00:59:46.980
There probably isn't...

1354
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:48.539
Yeah, there probably isn't really enough.

1355
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.400
Like, this is probably worse than the 10 minutes too much

1356
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:54.539
material.

1357
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.380
I think that there isn't really very much here.

1358
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:02.579
Is there like what to what did we learn anything today?

1359
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:03.780
Not really.

1360
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.900
Well, I feel like there's a lot kind of missing as well that we

1361
01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:12.420
covered, like we don't really learn about the other being that the

1362
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:13.500
probe met.

1363
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.440
We don't understand the motive as to why it's wiping people out.

1364
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:20.579
Well, because it's a villain in a Star Trek episode seems to be

1365
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.940
puzzle, but we've kind of got all the outside bits and not all the

1366
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.199
bits in the middle, you know?

1367
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:26.159
Yeah, yeah.

1368
01:00:26.219 --> 01:00:28.860
But it does have a flying robot.

1369
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.000
Yeah, and I think that that's it.

1370
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:33.900
I think it's kind of like they're so excited about this hilarious

1371
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:36.960
prop and it is pretty damn great.

1372
01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:41.880
And I do think that it had the potential to be really scary at the

1373
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:42.119
time.

1374
01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:46.559
I can, like I said, I can imagine being terrified by that as a

1375
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:46.800
child.

1376
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:50.460
Essentially, Nathan, I would like somebody out there listening to

1377
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:53.219
this because there's wonderfully creative people out there on

1378
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.139
YouTube and Twitter and all of that.

1379
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:56.639
To create...

1380
01:00:56.699 --> 01:00:59.940
The director's car of the changeling.

1381
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.260
And I just want all the shots of nomad flying about the ship going

1382
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:05.099
up, Shah.

1383
01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:06.780
Never gonna be there.

1384
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.679
The going up shafts was absolutely my favourite beer. was so

1385
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:11.280
awesome.

1386
01:01:11.340 --> 01:01:12.239
It was so good.

1387
01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:14.940
I just love the fact that you thought he was going to go up and

1388
01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:16.559
come out and then he just kept going up.

1389
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.460
Well, there's no way he could have come out because there's a

1390
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:22.320
thing, there'd be a thing in the way.

1391
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.619
They wouldn't have been able to get the fishing line there.

1392
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.300
Yeah, so I think this does answer the question.

1393
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.440
Can Star Trek justify an entire episode on the basis of a floating

1394
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:34.860
robot?

1395
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.019
And my answer is, yes.

1396
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.199
Yeah, my answer is nearly.

1397
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:43.920
It is pretty great.

1398
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:46.199
It is a pretty great floating robot.

1399
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:47.579
I will give it that.

1400
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:52.260
And I'm not sorry that it's part of Star Trek Canon.

1401
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.679
In fact, I'm on its memory alpha page, even as we speak.

1402
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:06.000
It's time for us to choose our next Star Trek episode, and so Joe

1403
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:10.440
is on Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser because it's

1404
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:16.920
his go and perhaps show you could tell us how you're choosing this

1405
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:17.159
week.

1406
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.619
After what I said in this episode.

1407
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.440
I also want to say you have rendered my box of little bits of

1408
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.300
paper completely useless now.

1409
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:24.960
I've still got it.

1410
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:26.460
Oh, do you really?

1411
01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:28.559
in the cupboard.

1412
01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:31.739
I think that you should Marie Condo that shit.

1413
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.579
Just thank it for its service and, you know, get rid of it.

1414
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:36.179
Get rid of it.

1415
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:37.980
I've got all the doctors as well, you know.

1416
01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:41.039
And then I found out you'd made one of those too.

1417
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

1418
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:43.559
Yeah, it's a sickness.

1419
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:50.760
Okay, so I have decided to select every series because I don't

1420
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:52.139
think we've done that for a little while.

1421
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.780
So that would be quite interesting to bounce about a bit.

1422
01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.780
I also, I want us to talk about something that is a little bit

1423
01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:03.360
more substantial than what we've covered in the last couple of

1424
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:07.260
weeks because I'm not saying we struggled, but I'm saying

1425
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:10.679
sometimes, you know, when you've got basically 2 episodes on the

1426
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.320
trot where there's about 10 minutes worth of plot.

1427
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.159
We'll have to talk about the rest of the franchise quite a bit.

1428
01:03:17.219 --> 01:03:18.179
Yeah, yeah.

1429
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.059
So I'm an episode we can concentrate on.

1430
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:21.780
Yes.

1431
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.780
So I'm hoping it's going to be something high calibre as well.

1432
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:25.800
Okay.

1433
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:26.579
All right.

1434
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:27.360
Okay.

1435
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.579
Oh, fucking hell.

1436
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:32.400
You have got it threshold.

1437
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:34.860
Because if it's threshold, we have to do it.

1438
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.400
We disregard whatever your plans were and we're doing threshold.

1439
01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:42.000
Statistically, I don't know how this is possible. lonely among

1440
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:42.300
us.

1441
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:47.820
I have got another shockingly terrible season 7 episode of TNG

1442
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:48.719
come on.

1443
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.380
I'm going to show this to you and you're going to masks.

1444
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:53.579
It is masks.

1445
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:54.059
Yes.

1446
01:03:54.420 --> 01:03:57.659
And I'm prisoning it again. never comes up again.

1447
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:03.059
Whoa, then you're going to be very sad. aren't you Okay, so the

1448
01:04:03.059 --> 01:04:04.260
2nd episode that came in.

1449
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.920
Oh, come on, we can't, I can't rat on season 7 of TNG again.

1450
01:04:07.980 --> 01:04:08.880
Why?

1451
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:10.440
I don't know, it's so fun.

1452
01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:14.340
That's such a great one So the next episode is, oh, it's

1453
01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:14.940
enterprise.

1454
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:20.159
It's season three, episode nine, North Star.

1455
01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:21.719
I don't know what that's about.

1456
01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:24.000
Oh, I hate series 3.

1457
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.760
It would give me something to yell about.

1458
01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:27.360
I guess.

1459
01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:29.039
No stars.

1460
01:04:29.099 --> 01:04:31.320
That's not the cowboy one, is it, where they go to the cowboy

1461
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:31.679
planet?

1462
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.920
But it's just so much less fun than the spectrum of the gun.

1463
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:36.119
Oh that's possible.

1464
01:04:36.539 --> 01:04:40.800
I think there is one where they do like a Western...

1465
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:41.699
Yeah.

1466
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.300
No, I've just found out a memory alpha and it's their Western

1467
01:04:45.300 --> 01:04:46.139
episodes.

1468
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.800
So it would be like Spectre of the Gun only shit would be my

1469
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:50.159
guess.

1470
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:51.480
Is that cruel?

1471
01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:52.380
Is that unfair?

1472
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:53.039
Roll again.

1473
01:04:53.099 --> 01:04:54.599
I don't wanna do that one.

1474
01:04:54.659 --> 01:04:55.679
Okay, horrible.

1475
01:04:55.739 --> 01:04:59.280
Your Deep Space 9 episode is season four.

1476
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:00.119
Oh, yes.

1477
01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:01.619
I do love this one.

1478
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:03.000
I do this one.

1479
01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:06.780
No, it's looking for Pom Mark in all the wrong places.

1480
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.239
So it's come up before.

1481
01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:10.980
Has that...

1482
01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:11.340
No.

1483
01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:13.320
We've rolled before and rejected it.

1484
01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:14.280
No, okay.

1485
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.719
All right, that sounds like fun.

1486
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:16.559
I'm up for that.

1487
01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:17.219
Okay.

1488
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.400
So this is DS9's 2nd sex comedy.

1489
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:25.500
It has 4 plots going in it.

1490
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:33.119
You've got Quark attempting to woo Groker, again, via using

1491
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:33.780
Wharf.

1492
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.699
He's like the scenario scenario.

1493
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:37.800
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1494
01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:38.280
Yeah.

1495
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.360
You've also got back hanging around in the background and she's

1496
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.599
ready to fuck Wolf. and she's basically waiting to make her move

1497
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:47.579
because she's pissed off that he's not looking at her.

1498
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:52.019
You've also got these agonising scenes between O'Brien and Kira

1499
01:05:52.019 --> 01:05:55.260
who's pregnant and living in O'Brien's quarters and giving her

1500
01:05:55.260 --> 01:05:56.219
massages and things.

1501
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.519
And Geico's got no idea how desperate they want to fuck each

1502
01:05:59.519 --> 01:05:59.699
other.

1503
01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:06.000
And the whole thing is directed by Andrew Robinson, who plays

1504
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.659
Garak.

1505
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:08.039
Oh my goodness, really?

1506
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:10.860
Now, you, well, someone wanted lots to talk about.

1507
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.900
I think there's lots to talk about in this one.

1508
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:19.139
Yeah, it sounds like deeply offensive and and very upsetting given

1509
01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:25.440
90s trek's track record on sex generally.

1510
01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:26.940
I'm going to give you a little spoiler.

1511
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.440
I fucking love this.

1512
01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:29.400
Okay.

1513
01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:31.619
Well, and it's a Laft House of Quark.

1514
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.500
It has a beautiful lightness of touch to it.

1515
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.380
There are there's a few of these pairings are a bit weird.

1516
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:42.300
But it's very witty and it's a proper like...

1517
01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:43.440
It's Ron Moore writing it.

1518
01:06:43.500 --> 01:06:45.780
Right, okay, so the dialogue's great.

1519
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.599
And it's, you know, you like a hangout episode.

1520
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:50.340
Well, this is one of like the old man.

1521
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.280
They just all want to hang out on the station and fuck, basically.

1522
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:56.699
Yep, no space reasons, no special effects.

1523
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:00.599
And speaking as somebody who is often looking for pumok in all the

1524
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:01.019
wrong places.

1525
01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:03.840
Maybe I'll learn something as well.

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01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:16.260
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:17.519
and Nathan Bottomley.

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01:07:17.579 --> 01:07:21.119
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

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01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.639
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:27.420
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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01:07:27.420 --> 01:07:28.860
composed by Cameron Lamb.

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01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:33.480
This episode was recorded on the 31st of May 2022 and released on

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01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:34.260
the 10th of June.

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01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:39.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Deep Space 9, looking for

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01:07:39.300 --> 01:07:41.340
Palma in all the wrong places.

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01:07:54.539 --> 01:08:03.119
And just because I've been watching, um, strangely worlds, uh, and

1537
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:07.619
thinking about how the transporter takes sort of design cues from

1538
01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:09.960
this, only it obviously looks much better.

1539
01:08:10.019 --> 01:08:11.880
I'm going to watch more of those this week.

1540
01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:17.939
I enjoy that. 3 is their sort of standard plague episode and 4 is

1541
01:08:17.939 --> 01:08:19.319
what's four?

1542
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:22.739
It's like super comfort wart series, isn't it?

1543
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:24.359
I found that one, which is my 2nd one.

1544
01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:26.340
It's Star Trek.

1545
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:26.880
Yeah.

1546
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:28.920
Like, it's just being Star Trek.

1547
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:33.479
Star Trek, absolutely, like, embedded in Star Trek in a way that

1548
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.539
some of those other cursements just don't.

1549
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:37.500
No, that's right.

1550
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:38.579
But I mean, there's this thing.

1551
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:42.060
It's like either it's just, you know, we're just doing old Voyager

1552
01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:45.000
plots again, or we're doing something so weird that's not properly

1553
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:45.539
Star Trek.

1554
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:46.319
Do you know what I mean?

1555
01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:50.520
Like, I think I actually think that this gets being Star Trek

1556
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:51.359
really right.

1557
01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:56.039
And it had all sorts of interesting things to say about religion

1558
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:57.539
which I thought were really good in that.

1559
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.159
What, in the 2nd episode.

1560
01:08:59.220 --> 01:09:00.899
Yeah, yeah.

1561
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.840
Because the religious people, they roll their eyes at the

1562
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:04.500
religious people.

1563
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.920
And when I saw that fellow appear on the screen and that...

1564
01:09:07.979 --> 01:09:13.140
He was the intransigent... intransigent, really fuck all about, and

1565
01:09:13.140 --> 01:09:15.180
it's just there to basically complicate matters.

1566
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.239
I was like, oh, my God, we're in Voyager territory.

1567
01:09:18.300 --> 01:09:19.199
It wasn't that.

1568
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:24.000
It wasn't quite that because he was he was religious and they were

1569
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:25.020
rolling their eyes.

1570
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.500
Like when the Universal Translator called them Shepherds and

1571
01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:31.260
they're kind of going, oh, you know, and they were just kind of

1572
01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:34.380
ignoring all of their stuff about sacredness and things like

1573
01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:34.619
that.

1574
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:37.560
And then it just turns out they were right about everything, you

1575
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:39.539
know, they were actually right.

1576
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:41.880
Everything that they said about...

1577
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.520
I like that when they all just turned, you know, turned out to be

1578
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:45.359
exactly as they said.

1579
01:09:45.420 --> 01:09:48.600
And there could be space reasons, you know, maybe at census time

1580
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:49.560
or whatever.

1581
01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:56.159
It doesn't have to be magic, but because uh, the, um, enterprise

1582
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.880
crew just dismissed religion uh, out of hand.

1583
01:09:59.939 --> 01:10:01.739
Stock mind meld with it.

1584
01:10:02.819 --> 01:10:06.659
I don't I may I can't remember.

1585
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:07.920
I think he did, you know.

1586
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:11.100
I was just saying, though, because he in mind melts with something

1587
01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:12.359
bizarreness as well.

1588
01:10:12.420 --> 01:10:13.560
You know?

1589
01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:16.800
And when I was watching this, you know, I was watching Leonard

1590
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:21.420
Nemoy really carefully and I'm like, even Pecks watched Leonard

1591
01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:26.579
Nemoy and he's like, I absolutely believe he's a younger version

1592
01:10:26.579 --> 01:10:27.899
of the same character.

1593
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:29.159
He's prettier.

1594
01:10:29.220 --> 01:10:30.779
It was, yeah.

1595
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:32.880
But no, have you not seen Nemoy when he was younger?

1596
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.640
Yeah, but he's not younger in these.

1597
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:38.100
No, but he was very pretty when he was younger.

1598
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.380
Well, I don't know if even Beck's going to be that pretty when

1599
01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:40.859
he's older.

1600
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:41.460
You never know.

1601
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:42.359
I don't know.

1602
01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:44.699
I know, look at Pike, grandfather.

1603
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.579
His grandfather Gregory was all right.

1604
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:52.859
I'm struggling to remember what episode 4 was.

1605
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:53.819
What was episode four?

1606
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:55.319
I watched episode four.

1607
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.739
There's so much Star Trek out these days.

1608
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:00.539
I'm not surprised you have to forget it.

1609
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:01.739
There's a new one week.

1610
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:03.659
It's just a new one every week.

1611
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:06.239
Oh I can't remember.

1612
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:08.699
Okay.

1613
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:13.380
I just saw visually when they were inside the comment.

1614
01:11:13.500 --> 01:11:15.539
That was extraordinary.

1615
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:16.380
That looks amazing.

1616
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:17.100
Yeah.

1617
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.220
I was watching it on my phone and it was so it felt even crisper

1618
01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:21.840
than usual because it was on a small screen.

1619
01:11:22.140 --> 01:11:26.520
And then you add in the singing and it just had a kind of lovely

1620
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:28.500
fairy tale sort of quality to it.

1621
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:29.699
It was really nice.

1622
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:31.920
That was so good.

1623
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.220
Um, yeah.

1624
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:37.859
It's annoying me actually that I could just give me 12nd.

1625
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:39.960
I'm going to check.

1626
01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:41.579
I really need to know.

1627
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.340
Strangely world.

1628
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:52.979
Oh.

1629
01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:58.140
Oh, it was really good.

1630
01:11:58.260 --> 01:12:00.000
Holy shit, it was good.

1631
01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:01.380
How did I forget it?

1632
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:03.479
I'm waiting for the day where you...

1633
01:12:03.539 --> 01:12:05.579
Okay, it's been trick times, I was really shit, you know.

1634
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:07.380
Oh no, I've said that.

1635
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:09.300
But this was properly good.

1636
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.420
It was like really properly tense.

1637
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.420
There were some deaths that really landed.

1638
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:19.800
It recreated one of my least favourite scenes from disaster

1639
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.720
bizarrely, but I won't tell you which one.

1640
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:27.239
And there was something for everyone to do, and it was properly

1641
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:27.720
tense.

1642
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:31.920
Like it was, it was like an original Star Trek where there's an

1643
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.880
unknown alien threat, you know, and it's a, it was so good.

1644
01:12:35.939 --> 01:12:42.119
I really liked, um, The characterisation of Ahura in our 2nd

1645
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:42.479
episode.

1646
01:12:42.539 --> 01:12:45.239
And the more I thought about it, the more I was like, well, we

1647
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.640
didn't really get to know her at TOS.

1648
01:12:47.699 --> 01:12:52.079
So they killed actually, as a exceptionist. younger, they could do

1649
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:52.319
anything.

1650
01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:55.800
They could do anything with that character and it would make sense

1651
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.319
later on because she's a black slate later on.

1652
01:12:58.739 --> 01:13:02.039
Well, yeah, after she meets Nomad.

1653
01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:03.000
But, um...

1654
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:10.380
But Zoe Saldana Zahura. is also a linguist.

1655
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:12.060
Uh, remember.

1656
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:16.800
Um, you know, and you've had Hoshi.

1657
01:13:16.859 --> 01:13:17.399
So.

1658
01:13:20.699 --> 01:13:22.859
Enterprise is still canon.

1659
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:23.880
It is.

1660
01:13:23.939 --> 01:13:25.140
Just.

1661
01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:30.119
Although they keep canonising it in Kersman Track, do they?

1662
01:13:30.180 --> 01:13:33.300
USS Archer. the archers waste stock.

1663
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:35.399
Yeah, the...

1664
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:36.899
That'll be the planet Archer, sooner.

1665
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:37.319
Bet you.

1666
01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:38.279
Yeah.

1667
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.479
The guy from the Hammer, the chief engineer.

1668
01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:48.539
Did you, um, have you listened to the Rick Bourbon interview that

1669
01:13:48.539 --> 01:13:52.500
Connor Trener and the fellow who plays, what's his name?

1670
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.119
You know, they've got their own podcast.

1671
01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:57.359
Uh, uh, Mayweather and not Mayweather.

1672
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:03.779
Tripp and Malcolm Reed do, and they've got, Yeah, they've done

1673
01:14:03.779 --> 01:14:06.899
what Robert Duncan McNeil and Garrett Wang have done for a boy

1674
01:14:06.899 --> 01:14:07.500
show.

1675
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.720
They've got an Enterprise podcast that they're doing.

1676
01:14:09.779 --> 01:14:15.119
Um, like sort of discussing the merits of it, uh, otherwise and

1677
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:16.560
interview a bit.

1678
01:14:16.619 --> 01:14:19.859
They did a two-part interview with Brick Berman, and it's only the

1679
01:14:19.859 --> 01:14:23.460
2nd interview he's ever given or of that nature.

1680
01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:24.960
And he's really candid.

1681
01:14:25.020 --> 01:14:25.920
It's at his house.

1682
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:31.500
And he explains how Enterprise came to be, what they wanted it to

1683
01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:36.119
be, then how it got completely beaten out of shape into boring

1684
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:39.720
standard Star Trek. because that's what Paramount wanted. what

1685
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.420
they wanted. why it was cancelled.

1686
01:14:42.539 --> 01:14:46.380
And, you know, it's really interesting, really, really interesting

1687
01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:47.880
because what they wanted to do.

1688
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:53.699
Well, something very different from, like, they wanted, they

1689
01:14:53.699 --> 01:14:56.039
wanted the 1st season to be all set on earth.

1690
01:14:56.100 --> 01:15:00.060
And the end of the season was going to be Enterprise going there

1691
01:15:00.060 --> 01:15:01.800
but they were like, no, end of the 1st episode.

1692
01:15:01.859 --> 01:15:05.520
We want, you know, auditioning.

1693
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:08.640
I have to think that Berman Trek doing that would have been

1694
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:09.899
incredibly fucking boring.

1695
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:11.460
Well, maybe.

1696
01:15:11.460 --> 01:15:12.300
Maybe.

1697
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:14.819
But it sounds like it was going to be a bit more interesting than

1698
01:15:14.819 --> 01:15:16.500
what actually transfired.

1699
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:20.939
It wasn't it wasn't just going to be allowed to stock standard TNG

1700
01:15:20.939 --> 01:15:21.420
plots.

1701
01:15:21.539 --> 01:15:23.579
Probably worse.

1702
01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:28.680
And that, and then you got, he talked a bit about TNG.

1703
01:15:28.739 --> 01:15:31.020
He talked about his relationship with Gene Roddenbury.

1704
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:32.699
It's really, I'll send you the links.

1705
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:33.300
It's really interesting.

1706
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.920
Yeah, that sounds good.

1707
01:15:34.979 --> 01:15:37.260
It adds a lot of context.

1708
01:15:37.260 --> 01:15:40.020
What we talk about normally, you know, because I think he made a

1709
01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:40.739
lot of bad calls.

1710
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.420
But yeah.

1711
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.600
I think sometimes his hands were tied as well.

1712
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:46.439
Sure.

1713
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.359
Yeah.

1714
01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:52.680
No, have Billings Leon. where so you can say it's all a bunch of

1715
01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:54.840
fucking crap, you know?

1716
01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:56.699
He is the best.

1717
01:15:58.260 --> 01:16:01.439
Okay, now genuinely start this thing.

1718
01:16:01.500 --> 01:16:03.060
Yeah, yeah.

1719
01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:07.199
Oh, red, leather, yellow, leather, red, leather, yellow.

1720
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.399
Hey, Joe. Hi.