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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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I'm acutely conscious that we kind of slightly cheated at the end

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of last week's episode.

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Kind of slightly cheated.

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Well, well, we selected a series and we pressed the random

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button.

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So we have not.

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We've only one episode available, though.

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I think we it was a rather predictable conclusion to that

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selection.

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Yes, it was still random though.

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But nevertheless, I'm really pleased that we get an opportunity

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early on to take a look at Strange New Worlds, which there will be

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a few more episodes out by the time this comes out, maybe 4 or 5

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even.

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Unfortunately, the episode 2 has not long dropped because if it

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hadn't, then we would, this would be the newest episode of Star

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Trek we had ever done.

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We couldn't get any more newer than this.

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This is probably the most recent Star Trek episode that we've ever

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done.

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I think we've done a prodigy a few weeks into its run, but this is

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very up to date.

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And I think that, you know, having the opportunity to take a look

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at how an entirely new show is being set up is worth doing.

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And I think Strangely Worlds is going to be really, really

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important going forward for Kurtzman track.

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Yeah, in fact, I was quite surprised for a show set where it is

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that it had quite a few references.

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I spotted some discovery references in this, where Spot was

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talking about his sister, going into the future.

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And, you know, the whole, whatever that weird anomaly thing was in

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series 2, actually being a massively important plot point for

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this.

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So if you hadn't watched Discovery.

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Actually, it might be like, oh, okay, I'm going to go and check

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that out now after this.

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But on the whole, this was absolutely standalone and completely

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and utterly Star Trek in a way that I don't think Picard and

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Discovery is attempting to do.

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It was so authentically distilled Star Trek.

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And I think for the wrong person, I, those people that want it to

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push out and do bold new things, this would fall a bit flat.

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But if you are looking for like a nostalgia hit beautifully

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presented.

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I think this is the way to go.

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This is the show for you.

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So we talked a little bit about how Discovery kind of aspires

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originally to be a show set in the Star Trek universe and not a

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Star Trek show, and that in fact, the story of series 2 of

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Discovery is it kind of pivoting and turning into a Star Trek show

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and then doing the weird thing at the end of the season where it

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kind of goes, oh, no, you know, we're going into the far future

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and we're going to do something completely different.

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And I think the presence of strange new worlds actually takes the

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pressure off discovery to be anything other than a show set in the

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Star Trek universe.

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Picard is obviously a show set in the Star Trek universe. doesn't

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have a crew on a federation ship in it really at all.

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And so this is, I think, probably going forward going to be the

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flagship, uh, discoveries run longer, um, and has had lots of

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resources and has been incredibly interesting, but it also had a

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troubled production and is a little bit odd.

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I think, you know, I've said before, that Discovery's been getting

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really, really great.

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But there was something about this, that I just found incredibly

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enjoyable.

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I think I think this is a Star Trek show 1st and foremost. like

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this isn't a show with the Star Trek label on it.

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This is Star Trek.

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Look at the previous Star Trek series in the 90s, right?

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You have what, 4 of them and 3 of them are Star Trek shows and one

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of them is a show set in the Star Trek universe.

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And it does quite different things.

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It's not boldly going or seeking out new life and new

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civilisations or any of that.

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It is sort of staying in one place.

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This is absolutely that.

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And in a way that Discovery has never been.

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So Discovery always has an agenda.

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Discovery doesn't do the sort of exploring that we associate with

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Star Trek.

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But all those things we've talked about in the past as well.

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This does assemble its crew in the 1st episode.

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You know, we know at the end of this episode who these people are

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and then he has a speech where he says, we're going to boldly go

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off and seek new life and new civilisations, and it could be TOS

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and it could be TNG just with a massive, beautiful budget.

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And I also think it's going to be more interesting than TNG going

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forward because TNG has such a constrained sense of what it is to

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be Star Trek.

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And I don't think this is always going to be a massive nostalgia

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Russ.

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I think they will do some unexpected things along the way.

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At least I hope so.

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I don't think any show should just be like confection that makes

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you think of the past.

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No, I think that this has its own identity.

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I think it's got a really strong lead in Anson Mount.

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You know, having characters that we've known for over 50 years is

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just kind of shorthand.

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And I've seen episode 2 and it goes out of its way to introduce

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Cadet Ahura as if we hadn't had, you know, 55 years with her.

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It's still doing the thing that a show needs to do, which is to

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introduce its characters.

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And Ahura is a slightly different person from when we 1st met her

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in the original series.

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You know, so I don't think it is just a hankering for the past.

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I think it is a straightforward Star Trek show in a way that

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Discovery never has been.

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And I think that they're going to do a really good job of it.

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Well, I think as well, this got one thing right, which I don't

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think Picard did initially, and I certainly, for me, Discovery

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didn't do it for quite some time, and that is, this is an

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extremely likeable cast of characters as well.

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And I want to go off an adventure.

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I don't care if we're doing anomalies and time travel episodes or

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whatever because they were all really nice characters.

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We've possibly one exception, but we'll get there.

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Okay.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we launch into it?

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Yeah, I can't wait.

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Can't wait.

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All right.

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I am going to count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I mean, do you know what I was thinking throughout the whole of

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this, yeah. was how incredibly lucky we are to be getting Star

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Trek of this quality made this well with such huge love for its

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source material.

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Like 20 years ago.

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This just wouldn't have been feasible at all, you know, maybe 15.

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But even Star Trek, the Next Generation is slightly embarrassed

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about it source material, I think.

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And this really leans into it.

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So we are on the planet Kylie 3 digit number.

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This was a terrific.

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I was like, the way this subverted expectation.

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Yeah, so you was so good.

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Well, I think that we know that this is an alien civilisation

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experiencing 1st contact.

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Even...

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Yeah, maybe you need to wait for this lady to turn around.

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But when she turns around.

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Yeah, of course.

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She's got bumps all over her face.

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That's right.

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Yes, look at that. proper next gen aliens there.

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Well, I think they're better, though, than next gen aliens.

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They aren't next gen aliens, but I think the aliens generally look

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better.

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And this is as human as we can get them to look, I think

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probably.

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You know what their eyes reminded me of?

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Those aliens we watch in that short treks.

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That little girl.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this is the USS Archer on the screen.

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God's sakes.

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They're all doing it, I know.

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Bloody alcher.

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So, yeah, now, so this, yeah, this scene here.

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And now, don't get me wrong.

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They've gone off on some incredibly exotic location and it's

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filmed beautifully.

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And I don't mind seeing a bit of Pike's domestic life.

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But I said to you before we started recording.

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This just felt a little...

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I don't know, languid, and I was expecting it to go in like full

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for all.

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Do you know, I quite like it.

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It is obviously borrowing a great deal from generations because I

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think, don't we have Kirk?

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Why would you do that?

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Yeah, no.

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But the thing is, I think too, that the fact that this isn't very

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spacy.

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Like, she's wearing her uniform.

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She's just wearing her Star Trek uniform.

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He's wearing a really ill-advised looking beard there.

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You know, they refer to the communicator as his phone.

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They're just eating sort of very analogue breakfast that hasn't

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been replicated for them.

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And the location is beautiful.

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It's so, yeah, it's stunning.

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Yeah, I see what you're saying.

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It's trying to make you think that maybe this is going to be a

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little more normalised than your average trek.

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But actually, then it goes in completely the out direction.

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Sure, but it grounds it, I think.

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Look, this is a telephone.

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There's a bakerlite telephone.

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I hadn't noticed on the table behind the communicator that's going

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off.

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I've got to say, Nathan.

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Oh, no, I do this quite a lot these days, but Anson.

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What a hot man he is.

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I think he has really considerable charm too.

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It's not just that he's a good looking man, but he's really great

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I think.

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He is the I think he is the best actor leading a Star Trek show in

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Kurtzman Trek.

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I think Sunique was pretty damn good, but, um, no, I think she's a

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good actress, but like, just make her do too much terrible

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things.

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Too much crying.

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No, you need to watch series 4.

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And I think too, I remember you watching this and texting me and

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saying, I wonder if they're going to mention the thing in from

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Borath, is that the name of the planet?

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It's an episode called, I think, Valley of the Shadow, where Pike

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finds out that he's going to die and turn into horrible...

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Oh, I thought that was really nicely done in this as well.

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It's thread through the episode quite delicately and it isn't what

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the episode's about.

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But he reaches a conclusion at the end of the episode that

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actually sod the future and whatever may come.

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That's in 10 years time, let's go on an adventure.

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Because it kind of has to deal with that because they really lean

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into that discovery, didn't they?

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In fact, they showed a horrific transformation.

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It was an amazing effect sequence.

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So this, I am a big fan of this wind farm thing here too, because

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it dwarfs him.

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Like it gives it a real sense of scale.

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And it's also part of Discovery's discovery of modern Star Trek's

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interesting and concern about fuel sources, which is sort of super

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weird.

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And so we have... we touched on Picard, didn't we?

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a couple weeks ago.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's a lot about climate change in there.

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But also as well, like when they go off to the planet later, um

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it's kind of uh, recognisable locations and things like that and

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it's quite contained.

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Whereas I think this is the probably the most sort of cinematic

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visuals that we get in this episode, you know.

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Yeah, and they, I think they're positioning it to be a bit like a

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film.

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So we're about to see Robert April, who is the original captain of

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the Enterprise, and I think he's established in an animated series

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episode where, of course, he's some tedious looking white guy

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voiced by Jimmy Dewan, I think.

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They all are on they?

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Basically, he does all the voices.

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But this is a good looking man as well.

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And I hope that we get to see him again, maybe ordering Pike

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around from...

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He looks a bit like you, you know that.

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Well, he's got the hair.

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It's a strong look, but...

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Do you know what?

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I think my only issue here was just the pace.

255
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I just, I just, it's a long sort of 5 minutes.

256
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Yeah.

257
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Yeah, but I think you know, we have to take him from here

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obviously, to where he ends up accepting being the captain.

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It's, you know, an obvious arc for them to do.

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And it still adds some mount and he's very enjoyable to walk.

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So any complaints that I have, they are very gentle ones.

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And the question does answer Mount Fuck is answered pretty soon.

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Have you seen him?

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What a waste if he didn't.

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Well, we know the answer.

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He does.

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No, no, come on, this is TOS land.

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Everyone was at it back then, honestly.

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Remember Kirk walking down the corridor with a shirt.

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Shut off. so long.

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Far, far too long.

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Looking up to the sky.

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Oh, here we go.

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Here we go.

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This is this leading into the titles now because let me tell you

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something.

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I have been singing.

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You know what?

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I keep singing. you know, when this bit comes in, it's like, dun

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dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. love it.

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I love it.

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Oh, and all these lights coming on the Enterprise.

283
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It's just beautiful.

284
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Like you never would have dreamed of having visuals like this.

285
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No, back in the day.

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Yeah.

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And so the original Star Trek title sequence back in the 60s

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obviously showcases the ship and the ship keeps flying past the

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thing, but they can't go close on the model and the model is

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nowhere near...

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Do you remember?

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It sort of went in a straight line. turns turns a corner once, but

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it was very expensive to animate, like this.

294
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But I think this is beautiful and it is just the sort of title

295
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sequence that lower decks is making fun of.

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Go through the nepula who's doing the album.

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Do it now, Voyager title sequences again.

298
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Finally.

299
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Finally, Kurtzman's getting it right.

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Honestly.

301
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But it's because this is the show that is about this and look how

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weird the environments are.

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It's called Strange New Worlds and the things are barely

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recognisable. these strange planets and things with domes and like

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whatever the fuck that thing is on screen now.

306
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Oh, there's a little moment from... about the music being so much

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more sophisticated these days. you know, and having so much more

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sort of nuance to it.

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This is where that really highlighted me because this is

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essentially the original series theme tune. being done by what

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feels like a 150 piece orchestra, you know, and it's just got so

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it's beautiful.

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It's a stunning piece of music.

314
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Yeah, well, it isn't exactly the original theme and it has its own

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identity, but it does mean that the hero music that you get in an

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episode just sounds like the original Star Trek theme, which is

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just fantastic.

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You know what it reminded me of.

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It reminded me of when Doctor Who came back and it was essentially

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the Delia Derbyshire theme tune with, yeah, with some pumping

321
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music going underneath it, you know, to give it a bit of kick.

322
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So, okay, right.

323
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So I'm about to complain again.

324
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I promise you, I really like this.

325
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Yeah.

326
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But we've got some very stock Star Trek dialogue in this scene

327
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okay, in this romantic scene between Spock and his wife to be.

328
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Yeah, so this is to Pring, who will occur later, I guess, in a

329
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muck time?

330
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Is it to bring in a muck time, I think it is.

331
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I think it is, yeah.

332
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This is the sort of detail I get right.

333
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Yeah, yeah.

334
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Oh, for sure.

335
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And in fact, when we discover she's called to printing, it's

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actually a moment.

337
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I mean, if you didn't know or care, it wouldn't have mattered, but

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him using her name is a moment.

339
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I actually think that what they're trying to do here and failing

340
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to do is banter, but, you know, kind of Vulcan mode.

341
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And I don't think they...

342
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I would like to have a dialogue with you. request granted.

343
00:16:57.659 --> 00:16:59.039
Right?

344
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Yeah, I think it's not very sexy, is it?

345
00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:05.460
We're talking about Sexy Kersman trait recently. and I think is

346
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trying to be a little bit erotic and this is essentially hotspot

347
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because, I mean, look at it.

348
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It's beautiful.

349
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Is that Ethan Peck?

350
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that his name?

351
00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:12.660
Yeah, yeah.

352
00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.519
Great, great picks. absolutely stunning.

353
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And great performance as well.

354
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Yeah.

355
00:17:16.619 --> 00:17:20.220
But I'm very unaccustomed to spot getting his pecks out, you

356
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know?

357
00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:22.980
When I said this earlier, I was watching this earlier for this.

358
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And I said to my, oh, my God, Spock's got his gear on me.

359
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He couldn't have run across the room quick enough.

360
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I'm telling you, travel look at the screen.

361
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Pike, like Pike's line is, are you naked?

362
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And he says no, sir.

363
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And then to bring pipes up in the background and know he was about

364
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to be.

365
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And I actually think that scene, like when they get, because this

366
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is quite funny, this bit here, they start kissing.

367
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Clearly Vulcans have some no public displays of affection, cultural

368
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norm, which means they get asked to leave the restaurant.

369
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And so they do. you know, would you mind taking that somewhere

370
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else and Dupreme goes, well, yeah, actually let's do that.

371
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And so they...

372
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It's not like the original series was averse to, there's that

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episode, isn't it?

374
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Where Spock, human side comes out and he has that entire sort of

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romantic episode.

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So it's not like this is doing anything extraordinary.

377
00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:22.259
I was just thinking, I just think making him sexy is unusual. think

378
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it's a good thing.

379
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Look at them.

380
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And look at the back.

381
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I just want to be sexy, you. honestly.

382
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Yeah, look at the background.

383
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Oh, it's beautiful.

384
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And now the phone rings.

385
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I know, but look how chaste this sex is, honestly.

386
00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:34.859
Well, the phone rang, right?

387
00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:38.579
Just as he was about to get into it, it's a whole thing.

388
00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:44.339
So this must be setting something up, I think, and I can't

389
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remember the exact background about Spocket.

390
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Oh, here we go.

391
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There's his packs.

392
00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:50.460
Look at him.

393
00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.039
No, but do you remember in the Discovery episode we were watching

394
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there over there with Harry Mudd when he went off at the end?

395
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Yeah, it was.

396
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Yeah, with Stella.

397
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I think maybe it might just be setting up. where we were later on

398
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because Spock was married, wasn't he?

399
00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.619
Yeah, yeah, to this woman.

400
00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:05.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

401
00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:05.759
Yeah.

402
00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:06.000
Yeah.

403
00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:07.859
Yeah.

404
00:19:07.859 --> 00:19:13.319
But look how beautiful that looks.

405
00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:14.339
Gosh, it's good.

406
00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:16.440
Oh, so you're talking about Ethan Peck?

407
00:19:16.500 --> 00:19:17.940
Well, no, the background, really.

408
00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.980
I should be looking at Ethan Peck, really.

409
00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:20.700
I know.

410
00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:22.500
His back is what I was looking at.

411
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Back muscles.

412
00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.240
Very sexy, you know.

413
00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:25.680
Yeah, without overdoing it.

414
00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:28.859
Me?

415
00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.359
Yeah.

416
00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:33.779
Here we go.

417
00:19:34.259 --> 00:19:40.440
Like, like, you could almost imagine hardcore trek fans being like

418
00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:41.759
oh, what's this, you know?

419
00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:43.319
spot being sexy.

420
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:45.119
Well, yeah, I object.

421
00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:48.720
One of the things that I actually feared when Strange New Worlds

422
00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.579
was announced was that it would be the sort of Star Trek for angry

423
00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:57.779
white guys who post on forums about...

424
00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.799
They won't make that anymore.

425
00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:01.440
And they're not doing it here.

426
00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:04.859
And like you said to me, this is a pretty diverse car.

427
00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:05.640
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:09.299
Well, you know, you get those scenes on discovery where basically

429
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everyone on the bridge is a woman and it's all just women talking

430
00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:14.099
to women on the bridge and stuff.

431
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You know, you've got and Owo and you've got, um, uh, Nilsen and

432
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and the captain and they're all women and they're all, but there's

433
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heaps of women on the bridge here too.

434
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What's marvellous here is is unlike TOS, and you haven't got

435
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you're not going to have like the triumvirate of 3 men.

436
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You've actually got, by the end of this episode, you've got number

437
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one.

438
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You've got what's the woman's name, the security chief.

439
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Is it?

440
00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:42.660
Oh, I can't remember.

441
00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:43.619
Where did I put my phone?

442
00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:46.319
Well, I'm going to call her a layer because you're asking for that

443
00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:47.339
bird.

444
00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:51.240
And you've got Nurse Chapel as well, all in prominent roles.

445
00:20:51.299 --> 00:20:53.640
And this, you know, remember TOS when they said, you know, you

446
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can't have female captains and they were pushing all the, you know

447
00:20:55.859 --> 00:20:59.339
O'Hara was, you know, on the communicator and that's basically all

448
00:20:59.339 --> 00:20:59.819
she did.

449
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:01.920
They are, they're not going to do that, are they?

450
00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:02.579
not going to go there.

451
00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.119
You did just talk over the 1st appearance of our pretty young

452
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.640
transporter chief.

453
00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.579
Oh, I didn't see him at all. so sorry.

454
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.559
He will come back and he's in the 2nd action.

455
00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:16.019
I should tell you what is pretty is these sets, okay?

456
00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:20.579
For them to have taken, and I think it's such an authentic take on

457
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:23.880
the aesthetic of the original surprise that we saw.

458
00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:26.640
The detail of the thing on the back of the turbo lift?

459
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With the thing going down.

460
00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:28.619
Yeah.

461
00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:29.700
Oh my god.

462
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.500
I tell you what, my heart was racing.

463
00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.059
But even the bridge, right?

464
00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.240
Which obviously looks like far more sophisticated technology than

465
00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.980
we had, but it's got the shape.

466
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.180
And it's kind of got the colours.

467
00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:43.319
It's enough that if you're looking at it at a glance, you know

468
00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:44.759
you're in that original enterprise.

469
00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:45.720
It's very good.

470
00:21:45.779 --> 00:21:46.559
It is great.

471
00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:49.140
And they've they've had to do a refit.

472
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:54.420
So this isn't exactly how it looked in Discovery Series 2. but we

473
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start on SpaceDock with the Enterprise having had a big refit. and

474
00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.519
it's been a few years.

475
00:21:59.579 --> 00:22:01.140
I think they've done a bad job here.

476
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:02.099
Yeah, I agree.

477
00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.640
But, you know, that was a kind of full one episode rather than the

478
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:06.000
whole series.

479
00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:08.700
The primary colour uniforms.

480
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:10.079
I just love them.

481
00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:12.000
I love the simplicity of it.

482
00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:14.819
Remember those bloody plumbers from Enterprise.

483
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:15.900
I mean, why would you?

484
00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:18.420
When you could look as gorgeous.

485
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:19.380
Look at this lady at the front.

486
00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:23.640
Tegus, Ortega. and she's great. she's really good.

487
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.039
She's the pilot and look at Ahura.

488
00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:27.720
Gosh, she's beautiful.

489
00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:29.460
Oh, I mean, everyone's...

490
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.759
I mean, everyone in Star Trek is pretty now, aren't they?

491
00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:34.859
She's so great.

492
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.400
So she's the focus character of the 2nd episode and she's

493
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wonderful in it.

494
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.900
And we're going to get to see more of the pilot a little bit and

495
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:43.680
she's really great.

496
00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:48.480
I like the comm officers slightly androgynous haircut as well.

497
00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:49.680
Yeah, yeah.

498
00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:54.839
I'm just assuming she's that she's queer and we do see a scene of

499
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.799
her in civies in the next episode and she looks pretty fantastic

500
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:03.299
and absolutely leaves very little down about how queer she is from

501
00:23:03.299 --> 00:23:04.079
how she's dressed.

502
00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:07.019
Well, look, she's about to have lots of moments.

503
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.019
So can we please talk about, I know her name's not a layer.

504
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:10.920
What's her name?

505
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:12.480
Or no?

506
00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:13.259
Oh, that's it.

507
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:13.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:15.960
Who is currently, what, number one?

509
00:23:16.019 --> 00:23:17.700
She's currently the 1st officer.

510
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:19.380
She'll settle as the security officer.

511
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.680
She's a Nunian sing. like so many people in Star Trek these days.

512
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.779
You said to me that, obviously, this is Lorna Bucket from the

513
00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:30.960
Doctor Who episode, a good man goes to war, where her accent is

514
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.180
completely different to how it is in this episode.

515
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.920
Well, she's got a very crisp, very kind of posh English accent

516
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.059
which...

517
00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:40.259
Well, you know why that is like a lot.

518
00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:44.339
Well, one, it absolutely differentiates except for everybody

519
00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:44.700
else.

520
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:45.119
Look at that.

521
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.500
But also, look at that.

522
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:46.980
That's incredible.

523
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:47.940
Holy crap.

524
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.259
Sorry.

525
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:52.200
Oh, I thought that, well, no, we'll get to this.

526
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:57.299
I thought the most impressive kind of expensive take on an old

527
00:23:57.299 --> 00:24:02.640
effect was when they... 60s plastic furnishings in the break room

528
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.119
or whatever.

529
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.859
Look at the warp effect outside.

530
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.359
Even that's not going too far.

531
00:24:06.420 --> 00:24:10.319
But the bit where they transport later on and the camera swings

532
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.579
around.

533
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:13.319
I thought that was really, really impressive.

534
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:16.859
Sorry, back to her accent very quickly.

535
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.599
Yeah, it's not only to differentiate her, but, oh my god, I've

536
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:22.440
lost my train of thought again.

537
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:23.400
What is wrong with me, Ty?

538
00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:27.299
But it makes her seem brittle as well.

539
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.460
You know, there's something about her.

540
00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:31.079
That's it.

541
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:33.779
No, no, but it's because she's got a bug up her butt as well. you

542
00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:33.960
know?

543
00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:37.740
And we'll find out her backstory and then he's obviously ludicrous

544
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:38.519
but we'll get there.

545
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:40.140
And so, what was this?

546
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:40.980
was really confused.

547
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.180
So this...

548
00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:43.140
Is this where he gets scald?

549
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:43.680
Yeah.

550
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:46.440
So in...

551
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.460
Oh, Valley of the Shadows?

552
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.599
Wait a sec. did write it down.

553
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.839
Through the Valley of Shadows is the episode.

554
00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:56.940
It's a late season 2 discovery episode where Pike has the choice.

555
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.259
He has to take a crystal of time in order to, I guess, get them

556
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:01.740
into the future.

557
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.799
Not those time crystals again, aren't they?

558
00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.259
And they are in the original series, I think.

559
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.759
And he sees the moment of his death and we so we flash forward to

560
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:12.000
it.

561
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.240
And so they're using that as a flashback now.

562
00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:21.119
This scene, I think it's beautiful.

563
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:24.240
Oh, I just love the effect out the windows.

564
00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:25.140
It's so simple.

565
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.539
It just looks like traffic going past really fast.

566
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.160
And that's the stars of racing cars.

567
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:30.900
Well, it's that warp field thing.

568
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.180
You know, the warp thing because they're in warp.

569
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:35.039
But the, the, also the fact that...

570
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.019
Fire is an interesting effect as well, isn't it?

571
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:38.700
Well, they have one.

572
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:43.200
They have one in the in the in the room in Discovery as well in

573
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:43.980
their bar.

574
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.400
But, you know, you've got the windows that look like the windows

575
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:48.180
on the model.

576
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.660
So, you know, this is the top of the source section, presumably.

577
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.579
Um, and just, it's the size of these spaces.

578
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.819
These regular sets are fucking massive.

579
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.539
Much bigger than the corresponding sets, I think, in discovery.

580
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:10.019
And obviously this is a bigger ship. than discovery, but I mean, no

581
00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:12.420
one's got bigger sets of prodigy, but that's animated.

582
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.579
So, you know, that's cheated.

583
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.299
The proto star does have huge spaces, but this has huge fantastic

584
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:18.779
spaces.

585
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.299
And I think it's beautifully designed. in my head.

586
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.960
This is how big that original TOS enterprise was. you know, they

587
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:25.740
couldn't realise it.

588
00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:26.700
No, yeah.

589
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.680
I have an imagination.

590
00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:34.259
I think that Anson Mount is absolutely killing this.

591
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.940
Like, he's really, really good, but this scene is so boring.

592
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:44.759
And imagine, like, and clearly it's like, this is the bit where we

593
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:50.099
stop to explain the thing, but it's actually super tedious.

594
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:54.599
And all I could think of was Shatner and Nimoy doing a scene like

595
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.680
this and how much more fun I would be having if it was them.

596
00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:02.640
That's probably making me one of those old guys who kind of go...

597
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.220
Well, no, because I think even women on the show now.

598
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.059
We'll be playing this with humour with EBR, his eyebrow and

599
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:11.099
playing it with a bit of sarcasm, you know?

600
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:14.579
Yeah, I mean, I think Mount is bringing something to it.

601
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.460
But, you know, I think he's great in there.

602
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.960
I think later on, when he gets that to do that speech, like, that's

603
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.440
not an easy thing to deliver without sounding fucking preachy, and

604
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.920
he's smooth throughout that whole scene, and he has to come to

605
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.779
that bit where he tells them, make a choice.

606
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.900
And I'm like, you arrogant sod, but he doesn't come across that

607
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:34.079
way.

608
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:38.579
So you miss the horrible scarred, horrible pike. obviously missing

609
00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:38.880
a lot.

610
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:40.319
Talking to you right now, aren't I?

611
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:43.980
So, oh, my God, I can't believe this planet.

612
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:44.700
It's called Kylie.

613
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:48.000
Do you think this is where Kaz from the animated series is from?

614
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:52.440
Kylie.

615
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:53.220
Kylie.

616
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.960
It's the gayest planet of them all.

617
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.900
That woman, the corresponding planet, Jason.

618
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:58.799
See?

619
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.099
Jesus.

620
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:02.640
Yeah.

621
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:03.900
Yeah, it's a thing.

622
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:05.940
But, you know, are we going down there now?

623
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:10.259
Because I want to talk about the award and how this, oh, God.

624
00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:11.819
We're not going down quite yet.

625
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.099
We've got to do some sort of talking for a bit.

626
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.099
Well, there's a very strange scene in a minute, right?

627
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.819
Where they go through, you know, in DS9 and that, where they want

628
00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:23.640
to go down to the planet and you just cut to a scene and suddenly

629
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.819
they're all in fucking latex. you know, Klingon latex or

630
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.059
whatever.

631
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.460
Well, I actually see the process this time. which is rather nice.

632
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:31.500
I don't understand.

633
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.279
What's her objection?

634
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:33.779
Why doesn't she want to change?

635
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:35.700
No, that's not her objection.

636
00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:40.200
So she doesn't want to take the...

637
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:41.339
The painkiller.

638
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.240
Yeah.

639
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:42.720
Yeah.

640
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.359
It actually comes up.

641
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:48.059
It's a character beat in the next episode as well.

642
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.500
And it is her, she wants to feel the pain.

643
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:53.940
She doesn't want to numb herself.

644
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.660
And that's because we've we find out her backstory.

645
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.099
She'll explain it to you that she was the one survivor and so she

646
00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:03.420
survived, everyone else died.

647
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:03.660
What?

648
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:04.859
So I just watched it. guilt?

649
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:10.380
No, I think it, so she has this thing in that speech at least, I

650
00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.259
think, you know, we're going to read it as survivor's guilt, but

651
00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:18.779
the way she characterises it is she doesn't want to be surprised.

652
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.980
The reason that she survived is that she expected to die.

653
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.920
And so she behaved like she expected to die.

654
00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:31.500
And so there's that link between her and and Pike, who also knows

655
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.279
that he's going to, you know, go in less than 10 years time.

656
00:29:35.339 --> 00:29:36.720
Probably.

657
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.160
It's interesting, isn't it?

658
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:41.460
Because I found her the least likeable of the cast, although I

659
00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:44.279
really love the scene at the Emory Officer, the commission.

660
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:46.079
Well, that was a great scene.

661
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.299
I think she's magnificent down on the planet.

662
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.559
She's the most interesting of all the original characters in this

663
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:52.980
episode.

664
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.680
She's got the most interesting backstory, I think.

665
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.839
Because we know all the other characters, don't we?

666
00:29:57.900 --> 00:29:58.500
Yeah.

667
00:29:58.559 --> 00:29:59.400
Yeah.

668
00:29:59.460 --> 00:29:59.700
Yeah.

669
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:00.299
Yeah.

670
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.539
Oh, well, no, I'm not going to jump ahead for that bit where she

671
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:04.799
knocks the man out. hilarious.

672
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.940
Yeah, yeah, we're good.

673
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.160
Take a fucking hint, all right?

674
00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:12.420
So the premise here, I think, is really, really interesting.

675
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.940
I don't think we've heard of a warp bomb before.

676
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.559
And so the idea is that they have developed warp technology, but

677
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.619
not to explore the stars, but to destroy one another.

678
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.119
And in kind of Star Trek mythology, it's the development of warp

679
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.700
technology, the evidence that you're curious enough to look beyond

680
00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:37.259
the horizons of your own planet and embrace space, that's the

681
00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:42.779
point at which you become eligible for entrance into the

682
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:43.440
federation.

683
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:46.799
It's the whole premise of 1st contact, the film.

684
00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:51.119
Um, Well, I thought this episode says something very profound

685
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.680
about not looking outward, and looking inward destructively, which

686
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:01.019
was a wonderful comment on our site now. which is what Star Trek

687
00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:02.099
should do, really, isn't it?

688
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.140
You know, and say actually be better than this.

689
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:08.160
There's a little bit of Star Trek law, too, that they clean up in

690
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.619
a way that's probably not really consistent, but I don't give a

691
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:15.660
shit, where they refer to general order one here, and that's the

692
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:18.539
non-interference thing, which means that they can't affect the

693
00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:22.920
society because they haven't, you know, they're pre-warp in a

694
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.099
way.

695
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.599
So the prime directive they're talking about.

696
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:28.559
They rename it the prime directive at the end and Rebecca remains

697
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.660
character who's yet to appear, actually.

698
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:37.799
Uh, Captain uh, Commander Ransom's uh, wife, Rebecca Romain, uh

699
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:38.279
Una.

700
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.099
She says, oh, that'll never stick.

701
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:46.200
So this is kind of the birth of the prime directive because they

702
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:47.579
do violate it.

703
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.799
So here's Nurse Chapel.

704
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:51.480
Oh my word.

705
00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:52.740
I thought she was brilliant.

706
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.140
And she doesn't get much to do in this one.

707
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.740
Oh, she, and she, I think she does because she gets to chase the

708
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.180
escape.

709
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.440
You get to run around the ship.

710
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:01.920
You know what?

711
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:03.900
When we were running around space corridors.

712
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.460
I was like, oh, yeah, Star Trek.

713
00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:06.240
Star Trek.

714
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:10.619
So, and then we're down on a planet having fun with these

715
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.940
crazy...

716
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:13.319
I'm like, oh my god.

717
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:14.759
So good.

718
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:19.319
So friend of the podcast, Brendan said that he thinks that she's

719
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.359
nothing like Nurse Chapel.

720
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.519
And...

721
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:26.819
Well, I don't think it does either because I think Nurse Chapel is

722
00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:32.099
a little bit subservient and a little bit kind of, you know, she

723
00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:34.380
just does what the doctor says because she's a nurse.

724
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:39.480
Whereas this Christine Chappel has her own expertise.

725
00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:43.259
She's a doctor and she's really fun and funny.

726
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:48.240
It's almost like she's a little bit more like Major Barrett than

727
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.759
Nurse Chappell.

728
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.920
Well, it's so funny, isn't it?

729
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:55.859
Because Barrett played both number one and Nurse Chappell.

730
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.140
So, how both is one story?

731
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.720
Takes 2 actors to replace her, I think.

732
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:05.460
And Dr. Mabenga is in a couple of episodes of original Trek as

733
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:05.640
well.

734
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:10.019
So he's still on board the ship in the in the kirk era.

735
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.420
So, and he's our chief medical officer.

736
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:14.160
And they have some banter.

737
00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:15.359
I actually quite like them.

738
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:16.740
Like he's...

739
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:19.019
It's a nice mix of old and new, isn't it?

740
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.039
our established characters from TOS and new original characters as

741
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:23.220
well.

742
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.259
And reinvented characters like this.

743
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.440
I still can't believe they pulled off that gag with Kirk at the

744
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:28.980
end, honestly.

745
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:33.180
I was like, no, no, and I was falling for it all the whole time

746
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.980
until what's his name from Galaxy Quest walked in with a moustache

747
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.180
talking about characters who are faded to be dead at some point.

748
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.380
Yeah, so here she is explaining.

749
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.039
He's Arn, who has a hyphen in, not a hyphen.

750
00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:51.720
She's got an apostrophe.

751
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.000
Well, of course she does.

752
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.680
Yeah, because it's a space name.

753
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:56.519
Base name.

754
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:59.819
She's the 2nd person with an apostrophe. so far in the speaking

755
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:03.119
cast because we've had to bring earlier on.

756
00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:06.299
That sounds so rude.

757
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.200
I know, doesn't it?

758
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:11.400
Did you see the wonderful car shots they did on the alien planet

759
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:15.059
with the Enterprise in the background, like for each of them.

760
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.260
They were really, really good.

761
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.199
I remember looking at it going, man, man, this already looks like

762
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.880
a great castle and I've not even seen them yet.

763
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:25.260
See, we close on that shot of her just experiencing the pain.

764
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:26.880
Here is...

765
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.219
Oh, here's my, okay.

766
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.559
Let's talk about it because there's a drone going around this

767
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.119
transporter very fast in a minute.

768
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.500
And for once, I don't object.

769
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.719
You know, but look, look, look, there's Kyle.

770
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:37.500
Okay.

771
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:38.639
Transported. word.

772
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:39.840
He's beautiful.

773
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.239
Yeah, I think he is an established character as well.

774
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.219
I think there is a transporter chief, Kyle, somewhere.

775
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.559
I know, it's incredible, isn't it?

776
00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:48.119
But that's the kind of visual.

777
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.739
They would have loved to have done back in the day.

778
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.500
Obviously, we have static cameras, you know, barely being able to

779
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.420
lock off the shot as they beam onto the planet.

780
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.559
And here it is fulfilling its remit of presenting us with a

781
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.340
strange new world.

782
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.000
And it is a world that is meant to be like, is that strange?

783
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:06.599
No, but I just meant the opening shot where you had lots of

784
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:07.619
planets in the sky.

785
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.360
And, you know, certainly the parallel to our planet. is

786
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.500
absolutely.

787
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.599
Oh, nice knees, isn't it?

788
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:19.199
Because it looks like our planet. absolutely. and it's meant to.

789
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.659
Look at LaAnn's fabulous 60s hair.

790
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:26.460
Can I just say, it's really great and I'm, you know, there's going

791
00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:29.940
to be a 60 sensibility to the design that we've already seen in

792
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:31.440
the furnishing of the enterprise.

793
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:32.699
Absolutely here for it.

794
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:36.900
You know, I can't remember the name of the Orville episode where

795
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:40.199
they go down onto the planet with the 2 war in factions, but the

796
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.400
aesthetic.

797
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:43.440
This looks so like that episode.

798
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:44.400
And do you know what?

799
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:46.980
There's a lot about this that reminded me of the Orville.

800
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.380
That sort of adventure in space.

801
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.739
This is a little bit preachier and a little bit more serious than

802
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:54.960
the Orville, but certainly how it looked.

803
00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:56.219
Yeah, 0 yeah.

804
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.159
Well, I think that what happens is the Orville comes along before

805
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:05.880
Kurtzman Trek and is trying to do 90s Trek, but with a budget and

806
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:12.179
with, you know, to, you know, I don't know, early 210s production

807
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:13.860
values.

808
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.980
Their last series was like 2018 or something.

809
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:18.059
They've been completely.

810
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.340
Look her go now. she's...

811
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:21.420
She's so fantastic.

812
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:22.320
She's doing that.

813
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:24.239
I've twisted my ankle. to the floor.

814
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:25.440
Oh, I need medication.

815
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:27.179
Oh, hit his neck.

816
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:28.019
Get his neck.

817
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:28.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

818
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.219
And she does it as well.

819
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.920
And then she has a peg.

820
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:37.980
Look, that gorgeous with that hideous makeup on.

821
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:38.880
Yeah, yeah.

822
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:40.500
He's such a good looking man.

823
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.300
But she looks terrific.

824
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.619
Arn looks amazing.

825
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.960
And just the fact that there was no warning.

826
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:47.940
She just went straight into that, you know?

827
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.780
Yeah.

828
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.320
Well, she does that permission to act quickly, sir.

829
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:54.239
It's really good.

830
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.099
And he's kind of going, okay.

831
00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:01.260
Oh, they're doing a bit, don't they, where they beam up the

832
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:01.739
character.

833
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:04.440
Yeah, onto the ship, and then you just know you're in a world of

834
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:04.739
trouble.

835
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.440
Then it's like, who watches the watchers, you know, the 2nd they

836
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.019
wake up, they're going to be out and about, causing mischief.

837
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.000
In this massive set, like the massive set, which has got levels.

838
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:17.219
You know, look at it with blurred eyes.

839
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:18.599
It isn't too dissimilar.

840
00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:20.219
So the original series...

841
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:21.599
I know it's bigger.

842
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:22.920
The colours are the same.

843
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:23.519
Yeah.

844
00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:26.760
Well, I think they've decided to de-emphasize the kind of light

845
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.300
blue that characterises so much of the set, although some of the

846
00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:33.960
light here is sort of blue light on this white background.

847
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.519
And they've got rid of those.

848
00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:38.099
Do you remember those weird beds where you were like hanging from

849
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:38.340
the wall?

850
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:40.079
The original series.

852
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:42.900
Oh, the ones where you, that was all about. have the boxes that

853
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.679
you push with your feet.

854
00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:50.820
Oh, so these guys are...

855
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.800
The guy running around the corridors now.

856
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.699
Cheers.

857
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.400
I'm so into it.

858
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.719
She's a lot of charm, a lot of energy.

859
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:02.519
I want to see more of that.

860
00:38:02.579 --> 00:38:03.239
Oh, me too.

861
00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:03.719
Me too.

862
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:04.500
Oh, God.

863
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.300
This feels so next gen, isn't it wonderful?

864
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.980
lay around the corridors.

865
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.239
I think it's more fun than next year.

866
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:10.320
I mean, look at the corridors.

867
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:13.500
They're bigger and there's so many more extras around.

868
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.300
Look how many extras.

869
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.679
There aren't enough extras to pull off this.

870
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:23.579
They're doing their best, but let's just keep the camera.

871
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.719
It seems like an entire crowd of 100s of people, okay?

872
00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:30.119
And we're only going to make up a few of you.

873
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:31.380
So if you could be in the foreground.

874
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:32.099
That'd be enough.

875
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.239
Yeah, but you notice too that they are, they're dressed in kind of

876
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.679
1960s clothing as well.

877
00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:39.780
Oh, this.

878
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.880
Can you just transport down some eye ointment and put it in his

879
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.360
eye and he just goes, no transporters can't do that.

880
00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:53.219
And do you know why this absolutely feels like TOS to me?

881
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:53.519
Yeah.

882
00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:56.519
It's like, what do they do so well in TOS?

883
00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:58.860
is they go down on a planet and have an adventure?

884
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.119
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

885
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.519
And then there's usually some crazy shit going on in the ship as

886
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.239
well at the same time.

887
00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:04.739
But um, here we are.

888
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.500
They know who their audience are.

889
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.480
Yeah, I think they're doing this really.

890
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.219
Oh, look at Ahura.

891
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.420
So Ahura isn't just the communications officer and she's been

892
00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:18.059
studying the Kylie civilisation.

893
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.860
Yeah, she's so sensitive with him here.

894
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.719
She basically dissolves him.

895
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:22.800
Yeah, yeah, smile.

896
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:23.820
Yeah, yeah.

897
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.099
And then... ran into someone.

898
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:26.699
Sorry.

899
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.619
She is running people over.

900
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.539
It's so good.

901
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:37.679
She's loving. doing an action sequence.

902
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:42.239
Did you notice that Kyle's transporter has physical sliders, 3

903
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:43.199
physical sliders.

904
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:44.820
Oh, is that what I used to do?

905
00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:48.179
Well, that's why it's always been 3 lights, you know, that you

906
00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:49.739
just sort of move your hand over.

907
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.840
He has 3 sports lines.

908
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:54.539
They have the capacity to do here with this series, so many of

909
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:57.599
these little touches that are just going to make you squee when

910
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:58.079
you see them.

911
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:04.860
Yeah, so the scanner's not working and then Kyle's going to, uh

912
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:08.880
look at this scary hot American Kylie and...

913
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.199
Do you know what?

914
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:11.940
I love the transport chiefs uniform.

915
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.760
It's a bit like a waistcoat, isn't it?

916
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:19.079
I'm, there are different variations on the uniform, which I really

917
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:19.679
quite like.

918
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.739
I just love the simplicity of it.

919
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.280
You know, that's what TOS was all about, wasn't it?

920
00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:29.400
I like the profile as well with the, you know, the way that the

921
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.460
boots and the sort of slight bell bottoms and stuff.

922
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:33.659
I just think it looks so good.

923
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.960
But do you remember how we said when we watched TOS, how pleasing

924
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.860
it was on the eye?

925
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.539
That's what our technicolour look about it.

926
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.780
Now, they haven't got whole, like whole hulk here, because they

927
00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:45.179
want to light it in interesting ways and things like that, like

928
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:45.780
they do now.

929
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:50.219
But essentially that is there, I think, in a way that the other

930
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:51.539
Kersman shows aren't really doing.

931
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:51.960
Yeah.

932
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:57.119
Also, this is great when they start metamorphosizing in the lift.

933
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:03.780
But like, it's, this is so the alien planet is so hilariously

934
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:04.980
North America.

935
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.619
And, you know, you've got Music in the lift.

936
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.159
Like, literally everything is completely recognisable from kind of

937
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.179
present-day earth.

938
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:15.599
And, you know, the red lights that revolve, all of that sort of

939
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:15.840
thing.

940
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:18.659
I mean, I'm here for it because it's got to sell it.

941
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.800
I love the air holes on her reaction shot as they get it out.

942
00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:25.559
She's totally baffled with her hands in the air, you know?

943
00:41:25.619 --> 00:41:29.159
He's basically a cartoon character staring off the camera.

944
00:41:29.219 --> 00:41:30.780
It's so great.

945
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.880
I love her tricorder as well, that it looks like it's a nice one.

946
00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:38.099
At this point in the episode, Nathan.

947
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:39.059
I was actually sold.

948
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.039
I was like, it's just having fun.

949
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:42.420
This is so much fun to watch.

950
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.360
Oh, look, and here's Rebecca Romain.

951
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:46.679
I think she's great.

952
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.639
She's really good.

953
00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:48.659
She is great.

954
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.000
She was so awesome in discovery.

955
00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:52.559
I mean, just so terrific.

956
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.440
I mean, there's there's some, there's a difference between how

957
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.559
she's characterised and number one from the original series

958
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.199
because I'll tell you what, Major Al Barrett was like a robot in

959
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:01.380
that.

960
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.159
She was so cold.

961
00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.739
Well, she, I think that she's cold.

962
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.039
You know, we've got this contrast between her and Laan, who is

963
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.260
obviously quite cold and so Yuna, whose name is obviously the

964
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:14.579
Latin word for one.

965
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:20.519
Una gets to be a little bit warmer and because she's got this sort

966
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.920
of pre-existing relationship with Pike.

967
00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:24.360
But you remember...

968
00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:28.500
But I did like, I did like the dual scenes where Lahan talks to

969
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:32.219
the doctor and then she talks to number one and it thaws, both

970
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:34.980
those things, thaw her out a lot because she's got an established

971
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:35.579
history with them.

972
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.360
You know, I loved a bit where they both picked up the tear under

973
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:39.659
the chest.

974
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.440
I, you know, Spock says, oh, thank goodness our path is clear and

975
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.460
number one says, don't jinx it. and he goes, it's illogical to

976
00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:50.159
believe in a jinx, which is obviously at the point at which the

977
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.239
elevator doors open.

978
00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:55.739
And then this way he does the giant scream and then goes, oh, that

979
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:56.219
feels better.

980
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:57.480
And easy.

981
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.840
Oh, great.

982
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:01.980
So funny.

983
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.039
And here we go.

984
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:05.760
Fist form.

985
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.139
TOS action.

986
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:07.619
Exactly.

987
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:13.500
We need that kind of exciting drop, da, da, da, da, TOS music.

988
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.639
Well, it's the cheapest kind of action sequence and I'm glad we

989
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.159
got to see one. you know what?

990
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:23.340
If they do a few bits like that, you know, like cheesy.

991
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.039
Yeah. riffs on TRS action.

992
00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:27.659
I'm not going to object at all.

993
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.760
Look how number one looks in that uniform.

994
00:43:29.820 --> 00:43:31.500
She's poured into that uniform.

995
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:32.159
It looks great.

996
00:43:32.340 --> 00:43:34.199
You know what they've got to do.

997
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:35.880
Yeah, it's gorgeous.

998
00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:37.380
They've got to do a triple episode.

999
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.420
Imagine how they rock a triple episode in this.

1000
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.340
Do you know what I think they have to do?

1001
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.940
I think they have to do the green captain's shirt with the sort of

1002
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:47.099
plunging neckline thing that Kirk has.

1003
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.659
Oh, so here we're flashing back to the Discovery series 2 finale.

1004
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.099
And so...

1005
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:54.300
Is this needed?

1006
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.940
Well, I mean, it's a nice tie.

1007
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.699
Yeah, I think it needs... look, it doesn't take very much time, but

1008
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:06.599
I think that the because they've caused this, they've contaminated

1009
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.840
this planet by inadvertently providing them with the information

1010
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.619
they need to create a warp bomb. and that wouldn't have been

1011
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:14.039
possible.

1012
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.380
They might have kind of blown the shit out of each other in other

1013
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.360
ways, but...

1014
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.179
They seem to suggest there was all these other civilisations that

1015
00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:23.639
saw this as well, though, you know, that have had the same hints

1016
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.019
about technology.

1017
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.239
Are we going off to all those?

1018
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:28.440
Are we going off to all those?

1019
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.420
I don't think they mentioned that.

1020
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.940
And a 100 worlds saw it. something like that.

1021
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.019
Yeah, a lot of them had just kind of worms and crabs and shit on

1022
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:37.260
them.

1023
00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:44.760
So this is where he goes Screw General Order one, which I think is

1024
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:45.179
pretty great.

1025
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.820
That's what you want.

1026
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.219
Yeah, see, you would have Picard doing that, would you?

1027
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:53.159
the prime director be agonising over it for 10 minutes of

1028
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:53.880
energising.

1029
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:56.099
But he's done the he's doing the right thing.

1030
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.760
I mean, they've given this society the means to destroy itself, and

1031
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.639
sure, it would have developed that anyway, because we did before

1032
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.440
developing warp.

1033
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:11.280
Yeah, and he gets, he is so good here.

1034
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.980
And this is the thing as well.

1035
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.119
You know, Star Trek the Next Generation also does a lot of plot

1036
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:22.079
resolutions through impassioned moralistic speech, right?

1037
00:45:22.139 --> 00:45:23.760
Oh, but not like this.

1038
00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:25.019
And this does it as well.

1039
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.860
Do you remember justice when he went down to speak to the Edo

1040
00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:29.219
God?

1041
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.900
I'd say, well, fuck you.

1042
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.219
We're basically taking Wesley.

1043
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.619
All right, we're human beings and we're bad new.

1044
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:35.460
Look at that.

1045
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:42.179
Look at that location, the way that they've augmented it with And

1046
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:42.719
this.

1047
00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:44.940
I did like all of this.

1048
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:45.599
But do you know what?

1049
00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:49.619
I didn't feel like any of these characters were characterised.

1050
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.320
No, they were caricatures, weren't they?

1051
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:52.559
know?

1052
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:55.440
They're just essentially playing the role. what they're here to

1053
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.860
educate them is what's important, rather than a fully realised.

1054
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.539
I mean, we don't want to be know about these people.

1055
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.139
Nothing.

1056
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.679
No.

1057
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:02.940
And we'll never see them again.

1058
00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:04.260
Maybe them.

1059
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:05.460
It's Star Trek.

1060
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.960
Maybe the Cerritos might visit them at some point in the future.

1061
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:14.699
But yeah, she's got amazing hair, doesn't she?

1062
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.159
Oh, it's incredible.

1063
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:18.239
Yeah.

1064
00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:21.840
I did like the bit at the end, though, where the 2 of them faced

1065
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.500
off, um, and actually had a conversation, you know, and they said

1066
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:28.320
this is the 1st time these 2 have been in a, you know, they were

1067
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:28.559
trying.

1068
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:29.460
I don't know.

1069
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.699
I just, I was just like, you know, this was possibly, you know, in

1070
00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:36.119
the top 10 list of ill-defined Star Trek alien races.

1071
00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:36.840
Here we go.

1072
00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:38.039
They've earned a place.

1073
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.199
Well, she's just they're just us, though.

1074
00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:43.440
I mean, they're just us and that's the point.

1075
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:45.300
So there's...

1076
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.500
Well, yeah, but do you know what that means?

1077
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.880
It means they can't really do this again.

1078
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.659
No, can they?

1079
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:49.320
No, no, no.

1080
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:50.219
They're here to make a point.

1081
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.539
But Star Trek really frequently does that where it's people or

1082
00:46:54.539 --> 00:46:55.739
settings.

1083
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.320
Well, original Star Trek does. what about Voyager?

1084
00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:00.840
Voyager is a whole two-parter, is it a two-parter?

1085
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:01.260
one part?

1086
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.500
A one-part episode where it's all about the American health system

1087
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:07.380
and it's on a planet that we'll never see again.

1088
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:08.219
Yeah, that's true.

1089
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:11.579
And the same with the work. the same with, you know, like it's an

1090
00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:13.980
absolute...

1091
00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:16.380
I'll be able to size Styles, I had the point to make as well.

1092
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.760
Discovery doesn't do this really where it sets up an alien planet

1093
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:25.500
to play out a moral, you know, fable on.

1094
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.179
But it's mostly because Discovery doesn't do this, you know

1095
00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:32.639
seeking out new life and new civilisations thing.

1096
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:36.599
I love this bit so much recently, for sure. the biggest stick

1097
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:36.960
wins.

1098
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.179
And then he points out the window and there's the end surprise.

1099
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:42.719
That shot from above the enterprise as it recedes out of the

1100
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.139
frame.

1101
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.760
So beautiful.

1102
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:47.039
Even there are, I know you're saying it, there are films that

1103
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:48.420
aren't doing Schultz, I was going to say.

1104
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:50.099
Oh, look, there you go.

1105
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.139
This lady here who's the reporter.

1106
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.059
Look at her outfit.

1107
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.860
It's so period. it's wonderful It's like it's the height of the

1108
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.539
Cold War and everyone's dressing like that.

1109
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:05.039
Just with the enterprise in the background, in the sky there

1110
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.139
potent, isn't it?

1111
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.800
So, and I, sorry, go on.

1112
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:13.619
Well, this is the speech, isn't it?

1113
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.500
This is the thing that she says, not believing you're going to die

1114
00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:17.579
will get you killed.

1115
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:23.400
And that thought is what informs how Pike responds here.

1116
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:27.659
He's told them that there'll be a civil war and that people will

1117
00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:30.000
be killed and that's what happened on his planet.

1118
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:33.599
But what he hasn't shown them is that, you know, like, and so he

1119
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.500
shows them, and it's the belief that they could wipe themselves

1120
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:42.000
out with this, which becomes real because it's shown to them by

1121
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.679
pike, that causes the resolution.

1122
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:45.000
And so it's her.

1123
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:49.980
And look, her backstory is preposterous because her family gets

1124
00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:55.019
sort of eaten and sawed up by rubber lizards in cocktail dresses.

1125
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.139
Bloody hell, we get to see a flashback to that episode, you know?

1126
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.860
Oh, come on.

1127
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.179
CGI Gorn would be great.

1128
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.659
Yeah, I'd love to see the go on again, but they are kind of as

1129
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:06.780
stupid as a Star Trek boss has ever been.

1130
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:11.519
And the kind of determination to take them completely seriously, I

1131
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.480
think, is tremendous. you know her tragic backstory.

1132
00:49:15.539 --> 00:49:20.460
The whole episode is making like a very serious and it is trying

1133
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:21.539
to educate ours.

1134
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.139
I never felt it was being dictatorial.

1135
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.340
Not in the same way.

1136
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.480
Like, you remember Orphan 55 on Doctor Who, where she was just...

1137
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:32.639
She looked straight out of the screen and went, all right, sort

1138
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.420
your shit out, you know.

1139
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.460
I didn't feel that...

1140
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.340
It was a little bit like He-Man giving you the moral at the end of

1141
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:40.739
the episode, which was about something else completely different.

1142
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:45.119
This, I think what this is doing. is not educating us because if

1143
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.500
we're watching this or if we know about Star Trek, we're on board

1144
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:50.880
it's telling us what this is about.

1145
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:56.099
It's making it clear that this version of Star Trek is the version

1146
00:49:56.099 --> 00:49:57.599
that we are this.

1147
00:49:57.659 --> 00:50:01.139
Well, he comes in, beams in, and looks shy face, and goes, oh

1148
00:50:01.139 --> 00:50:02.820
good.

1149
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.340
His performance in this scene was extraordinary.

1150
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:06.300
It's really great.

1151
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.920
And he doesn't really raise his voice.

1152
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.900
He speaks very gently.

1153
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.179
Oh, I was transfixed.

1154
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:12.960
I was watching this.

1155
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:14.219
Charming as well.

1156
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.260
He's so charming.

1157
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:17.460
Yeah.

1158
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.559
But you know what's incredible as well?

1159
00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:21.300
Is that the brevity in this?

1160
00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:24.480
Because back in the day, to do a pilot like this, you wouldn't be

1161
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.260
able to squeeze in all the introductions, the ship, and a mini

1162
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:31.440
adventure, like for encounter a far point, do it, it had to run to

1163
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:31.980
90 minutes.

1164
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:33.059
Yeah.

1165
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:37.800
Well, and also it, you know, it wanted to do 245 minute slots or

1166
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:38.159
whatever.

1167
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.320
Oh my god, look how slightly apologetic.

1168
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.119
Yes, it's wonderful, isn't it?

1169
00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:47.880
Well, he doesn't come down and do a big imperious Picard thing.

1170
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:50.219
Well, you know what Patrick Stewart wearing.

1171
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:51.000
Look at my wow.

1172
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:55.679
This is my wild. you know, like he would do something sort of huge

1173
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:56.639
and oratorical.

1174
00:50:56.699 --> 00:50:58.079
He'd be panty, wouldn't he?

1175
00:50:58.139 --> 00:50:59.039
Yeah.

1176
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.579
Whereas he's underplaying it. and just bringing so much charm.

1177
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.260
And so this is footage from the January 6th insurrection.

1178
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.619
So, which is recent history.

1179
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.300
And so this traces a line between what we're experiencing in

1180
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:18.239
America at the moment where you have 2 groups of people who

1181
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:22.019
inhabit completely different worlds, one of which is completely

1182
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:23.699
fucking fictional.

1183
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:25.320
Look at that.

1184
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:26.340
Do you see that?

1185
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:27.539
Yeah.

1186
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:31.679
Yeah, but but traces, but traces, the current problems in American

1187
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.239
politics calls it a civil war, we had the 2nd Civil War mentioned

1188
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.840
earlier, which has never come up before, and then we get the

1189
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.139
eugenics wars in World War 3 and they're all collapsed into what's

1190
00:51:43.139 --> 00:51:44.460
happening in America now.

1191
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:45.119
Star Trek.

1192
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.340
Continuity is really nicely done.

1193
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.019
It's doing the Kurtzman thing of identifying this huge post-Trump

1194
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:53.820
doing post-Trump America, right?

1195
00:51:53.880 --> 00:52:00.300
And saying that this this is the direction that, you know, leads

1196
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:02.639
to the Confederation or gets the planet destroyed.

1197
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:04.619
I'll tell you now, we need to take another direction.

1198
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:06.480
I don't think we will.

1199
00:52:07.139 --> 00:52:10.019
I applaud its attempts to educate us.

1200
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:10.739
Yeah, yeah.

1201
00:52:10.739 --> 00:52:15.239
Well, I don't, but it's the one thing that I like because there is

1202
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.500
that angry right wing Star Trek fan who hates Kurtzman Trek

1203
00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:23.519
because it's got black and queer people and women who talk in it.

1204
00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:28.619
And they're going to go, oh, you know, this is Star Trek getting

1205
00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:29.639
back to its roots.

1206
00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:33.059
And here it is, it's doing exactly the same thing that all the

1207
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:34.019
other shows have done.

1208
00:52:34.139 --> 00:52:40.980
And it showcases diversity and it just basically says that, yeah

1209
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:44.219
you could just see them not for you. seen in their greasy seeds

1210
00:52:44.219 --> 00:52:45.900
getting really angry watching this game.

1211
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.539
No, I don't want them ever to experience another moment of

1212
00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:51.420
pleasure again. stuff that the sets are made out of cardboard as

1213
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:51.539
well.

1214
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:54.179
Why aren't they pale blue cardboard?

1215
00:52:55.619 --> 00:52:58.139
And so then we get this Monte.

1216
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:03.420
Yeah, this was very the way they managed to show you how they turn

1217
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:03.780
it around.

1218
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:04.440
Yeah.

1219
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:09.360
And it, and it's not twee, you know, it...

1220
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:11.099
Oh, no, I don't think so.

1221
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:12.119
I thought it was nicely done.

1222
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:15.780
It's adorable and it's iconic and it's very 60s as well.

1223
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.820
This was TNG.

1224
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.739
This would be appalling television.

1225
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.840
But the thing is right.

1226
00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:26.099
That the 60s, see, this is a very different take on trek

1227
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:32.760
politically, um, because 60 Star Trek is that sort of, you know

1228
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.780
post-war liberalism, we've got the space race, all of that sort of

1229
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:40.860
thing, you know, it's optimistic and, and, you know, it's trying

1230
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:43.679
to be inclusive as much as it's able to.

1231
00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:48.000
Whereas this is a Star Trek that comes out of a, you know, America

1232
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:52.500
that sort of shell shocked and where democracy's on a knife edge

1233
00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:53.400
and stuff like that.

1234
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:54.420
You know what?

1235
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.420
I mean, I wouldn't say I want, you know, I would want the Trump

1236
00:53:57.420 --> 00:54:01.500
era in order to have TV this interesting, but it's a nice

1237
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:02.820
byproduct of that, though, you know?

1238
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.760
It's got certainly got more thoughtful things to say because of

1239
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:06.000
it.

1240
00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:07.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1241
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.860
And, you know, it was always inadvertently political in all sorts

1242
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:12.539
of ways because of what isn't.

1243
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.500
But this is much more consciously political and very definitely

1244
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:18.599
sitting on one side of it, I think.

1245
00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:22.619
But I don't think it forgets to tell a fun story.

1246
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:23.519
Exactly not.

1247
00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:27.059
We have lots of running around and people being knocked out and

1248
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:28.019
you know, gas.

1249
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.360
Yeah, yeah. does a terrific job of that.

1250
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:32.639
And I think, do you know what?

1251
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:36.239
I think if they do episodes going ahead, just out.

1252
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:39.480
I think I read today that there's an outright comedy coming up one

1253
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:41.940
that's just utterly ridiculous and absurd.

1254
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.440
And I'm all over that shit.

1255
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:44.639
Yeah, you know would be too.

1256
00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:48.300
Because I did one of my complaints about Kursman Trek is it can

1257
00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:51.179
take itself a little bit too seriously as well. you know?

1258
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:52.079
Yeah, lower decks.

1259
00:54:52.739 --> 00:54:54.239
Shut up.

1260
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:58.079
So here we get the tragic gone backstory.

1261
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:03.000
No, no, but this was a scene that completely humanised, don't I?

1262
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.079
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1263
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:07.019
I loved the bit where she thinks he's going to chew her out and

1264
00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:08.219
then he offers her the commission.

1265
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:09.780
And that was really, really lovely.

1266
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.679
And did you notice the ship name, the King Jr., the Martin Luther

1267
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.199
King Jr., the USS Martin Luther King Jr.?

1268
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:16.679
Yeah.

1269
00:55:16.739 --> 00:55:20.699
Well, I loved as well was that, obviously, she's taken number

1270
00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:21.659
one's place.

1271
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:22.500
Now number one's back.

1272
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.820
And there was no tension, no rivalry, just this kind of like, oh

1273
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.199
welcome. your new security chief.

1274
00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:29.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1275
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.059
She's a knockout.

1276
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:33.599
I mean, did you see that transition a minute ago from the paper

1277
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.739
enterprise. which showed you how they were sort of like, you know

1278
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:41.940
venerating them to the ship flying off into space and the sort of

1279
00:55:41.940 --> 00:55:42.900
the impact that they had made.

1280
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.599
I thought that was lovely Yeah, well they're now aspiring to

1281
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:45.840
that.

1282
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.400
I think it's terrific.

1283
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:48.239
You know.

1284
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:49.320
Yeah.

1285
00:55:49.380 --> 00:55:52.739
But no, it just kind of really was like, okay, here's the impact

1286
00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:54.000
we had.

1287
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.039
We're going to go do it again. another adventure.

1288
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.719
Yeah, it was really nothing.

1289
00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:04.260
Oh, and this is well, where he talked about, um, where the forest

1290
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:07.920
came from and how they built, you know, the domes around them.

1291
00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:09.599
And look at that shot of birds.

1292
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:10.980
It's beautiful, isn't it?

1293
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:13.679
What's the line he has?

1294
00:56:13.739 --> 00:56:16.920
It's coming up in a minute, where he says, even out in space, Yeah

1295
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.659
we're capable of great growth.

1296
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:20.820
No, it is clear.

1297
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.099
It's cheesy, but it is...

1298
00:56:23.099 --> 00:56:24.059
You have to remember, Nathan.

1299
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:24.659
I have a half.

1300
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.800
He's able to deliver a cheesy line like that really well because

1301
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.420
he's kind of smiling as well.

1302
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.639
Like, he's so charming and so encouraged.

1303
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:36.420
I mean, he's slightly less comedic in his performance than Shatner

1304
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:36.900
as well.

1305
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:37.920
Hello.

1306
00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:41.699
But he kind of gets the idea, though, there is a lightness to it.

1307
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.440
I really like it.

1308
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.699
Oh here we go.

1309
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:45.960
Here's our captain's log.

1310
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.340
Yes, that dust and sky is my hearth.

1311
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.980
But the enterprise is my home.

1312
00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:57.420
We can go forward together knowing that whatever shadows we bring

1313
00:56:57.420 --> 00:56:57.900
with us.

1314
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:59.940
They make the light all the bright.

1315
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.320
What room is this?

1316
00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:02.940
What room do you reckon this is?

1317
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.679
I don't know what that room is.

1318
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:07.800
I don't know, but this feels like one of those discovery speeches

1319
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:08.400
to me, you know?

1320
00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:09.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1321
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.719
Well, I think it's a Kiva Goldman or whatever.

1322
00:57:14.099 --> 00:57:15.900
But do you know what?

1323
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:16.500
All of it.

1324
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.360
All of it, okay, the set, the adventure, the fun, the dialogue, the

1325
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:22.139
characterisation.

1326
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.559
It is like the quintessence of Trek, isn't it?

1327
00:57:25.619 --> 00:57:26.699
It just really good.

1328
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.880
It's like someone's taking a bottle of trek and shoved it down

1329
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:30.239
your throat.

1330
00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:32.219
Yeah, and it was...

1331
00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:33.420
Here we go.

1332
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:34.500
So he is...

1333
00:57:34.619 --> 00:57:37.500
So, don't he look at that villa from Galaxy Quest?

1334
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.619
So, and he was always worried about dying as well.

1335
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:46.980
So he is in an original series episode, isn't he?

1336
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:53.760
Samuel Kirk, George Samuel Kirk, who is Kirk's brother, and it's

1337
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.320
he's, he's found dead.

1338
00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:57.000
I can't even remember.

1339
00:57:57.059 --> 00:57:59.519
And they turn the body on...

1340
00:57:59.579 --> 00:58:02.219
Yeah, they turn the body over and it's just Shatner with a fake

1341
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:03.300
moustache on.

1342
00:58:06.539 --> 00:58:08.820
But Kirk's in this series.

1343
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:09.539
I've seen pictures.

1344
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.219
Yeah, they don't think it's that Kirk.

1345
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.420
There's our new chief engineer, the INR chief engineer before.

1346
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.659
Look at, look at...

1347
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:20.400
Look, we've got our crew assembled.

1348
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:22.260
Fabulous people.

1349
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.739
It's crossing his legs, looking super relaxed, absolutely poured

1350
00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:26.519
into the uniform.

1351
00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:29.579
So good Even that line there, right?

1352
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.440
Picard is like, let's see what's out there.

1353
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.940
No, pie goes, hit it.

1354
00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:40.440
Yeah Do you remember that episode of Discovery where Saru is

1355
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:42.960
trying to work out what his catchphrase is going to be?

1356
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.940
No, what did he read?

1357
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:45.840
What did he call that?

1358
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:47.099
I can't remember what he settles on.

1359
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.019
I mean, Michael settles on.

1360
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:50.820
Let's fly, which I think is pretty great.

1361
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.039
Not bad.

1362
00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:53.519
Not bad.

1363
00:58:53.579 --> 00:58:55.199
Oh, now this.

1364
00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:58.139
So this is the season thing.

1365
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:03.059
So the comet thing is next week and it's incredibly great.

1366
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.760
The special effect of it here in the planet.

1367
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:06.480
Yeah, yeah.

1368
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:07.860
But you know what?

1369
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.539
All I kind of got from this, yeah, was fun, adventure, energy, you

1370
00:59:12.539 --> 00:59:15.480
know, like this is going to be a hell of a fucking ride.

1371
00:59:15.539 --> 00:59:16.260
So get on.

1372
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.719
And it seems like we haven't heard the last of the, you know

1373
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.539
future, you know, Pike's future.

1374
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.039
Most of these imagery they're showing off here.

1375
00:59:29.099 --> 00:59:31.320
A lot of it is from next week.

1376
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.079
Um, yeah.

1377
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:37.500
Is that your version of a pep talk is so good.

1378
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:38.579
It's so good.

1379
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.079
Oh, what's that?

1380
00:59:40.139 --> 00:59:43.079
Oh, blood is what it is. in the snow.

1381
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:44.400
And Leon's crying.

1382
00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:45.360
Maybe there's gone.

1383
00:59:45.420 --> 00:59:47.519
Maybe there's Gorn coming.

1384
00:59:47.579 --> 00:59:49.079
The goner bean.

1385
00:59:49.139 --> 00:59:49.860
Do you know what now?

1386
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.260
I'm going to confess I hate you right now. you know you know me.

1387
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.900
You know, I don't watch Discovery and Picard as they come out.

1388
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.320
I'm going to watch this, you know, as it comes out.

1389
00:59:58.380 --> 00:59:59.639
I'm hugely excited by this.

1390
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:00.840
You know why?

1391
01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:03.239
Because I just think it's going to cheer me up, you know?

1392
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:04.019
Yeah.

1393
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.780
Oh, look, there's another line.

1394
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:07.619
Look at this guy.

1395
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.179
Oh my god, he's so open the talk.

1396
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:13.500
I'm hoping we get some crazy theatrical performances like that Oh

1397
01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:15.420
my god, look at these special effects.

1398
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.659
I think there's going to be lots of regulars and semi-regulars as

1399
01:00:18.659 --> 01:00:20.280
well, in a way.

1400
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:21.480
Because you're in the DS9 thing.

1401
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:22.800
Yeah, yeah.

1402
01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:23.639
I think so.

1403
01:00:23.699 --> 01:00:24.539
I hope so.

1404
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.099
Because I wonder, because one of the things about, you know, that

1405
01:00:29.099 --> 01:00:33.900
made the films different from TV was the scale, like the scale of

1406
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:36.900
the ship's interiors, the number of people wandering the corridors

1407
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:38.219
all of that kind of thing.

1408
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.739
And I want that.

1409
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.579
I think, you know, don't just do Star Trek.

1410
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:45.659
Do it better.

1411
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.500
And I think that's clearly what they're what they're aiming for.

1412
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.039
But you know what you could do there as well, because what DS9 did

1413
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.179
obviously, a lot of DS9 is like, you know, set in rooms, all those

1414
01:00:57.179 --> 01:00:58.920
things you complain about in 90s trek.

1415
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:05.280
But by having that extraordinarily vast and fascinating guest cast

1416
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.260
all on different worlds.

1417
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.679
It meant just by visiting those people, it had a scale to it, you

1418
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:11.099
know?

1419
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:11.579
Yeah.

1420
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.860
Obviously, they can do they can do that visually here.

1421
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.980
But if they can marry that with like a secondary guest cast as

1422
01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:17.159
well.

1423
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:19.559
Man, we're in for great time.

1424
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:22.619
So we have another communications officer next week.

1425
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.059
We've got the transporter chief.

1426
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.460
We've got a much bigger regular cast than the original show

1427
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:26.940
already.

1428
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.440
We've got Bob April, you know, the admiral there.

1429
01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:34.559
So there is already a kind of suggestion.

1430
01:01:34.619 --> 01:01:36.480
Oh, Kyle, did I say, Kyle?

1431
01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:37.139
Pretty, Kyle.

1432
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:38.280
I probably said him twice.

1433
01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:39.059
He's very pretty.

1434
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.159
Um, I just, you know, like, I think that's going to be really fun

1435
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:50.280
going forward, but if this weekend next week or anything to go by

1436
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:55.139
and the viewer may well have seen more episodes, uh, by the time

1437
01:01:55.139 --> 01:01:55.800
this comes out.

1438
01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:57.179
There might be 2 or 3 more.

1439
01:01:57.300 --> 01:02:00.780
Um, I think I'm really on board with this.

1440
01:02:00.900 --> 01:02:05.219
You know, you know how, yeah, I have my issues with Carsman Trek.

1441
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.280
But let's take a step back from Strange New Worlds for a 2nd and

1442
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.000
just see what Kurtzman Trek is delivering at the moment.

1443
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.880
It's got 2 shows.

1444
01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:17.639
Sorry, one show aimed at a younger audience that's very

1445
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.980
sophisticated and I think probably the most visually arresting of

1446
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:25.199
all the shows, intriguingly.

1447
01:02:25.260 --> 01:02:28.920
You've got an out and out rick and Morty style comedy that is just

1448
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.900
hitting one week after the next.

1449
01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:35.880
You've got Picard, which is carving out a kind of dark and a

1450
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.579
little bit twisted play on the next generation.

1451
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.400
You got Discovery, which is doing new things every single season

1452
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:42.960
in such an interesting way.

1453
01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:45.780
And now you've got this, which is absolutely ticking the box of

1454
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:47.940
lots of nostalgia.

1455
01:02:47.940 --> 01:02:53.099
And it's just like, it's a vast array of different styles and

1456
01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:53.880
different tones.

1457
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.619
And I think, like, it doesn't have to all be for everybody.

1458
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.099
But I think there probably is something for every type of trek fan

1459
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:02.340
now.

1460
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:06.480
It's incredible I think that the interesting thing about this huge

1461
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.659
suite of programs is, if you think about it, the initial

1462
01:03:09.659 --> 01:03:14.579
conception was that discovery, this particular discovery that we

1463
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:17.519
have now, this situation would last a season, and then we would

1464
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:21.659
have, you know, various other seasons set in different time

1465
01:03:21.659 --> 01:03:24.840
periods, that was going to be an anthology show, like I think I

1466
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:27.420
said before, like American horror story or something like that.

1467
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.019
Right.

1468
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:33.960
And now we have this suite of shows and and you can see that when

1469
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:39.239
discovery goes from being a one season thing, they have to try and

1470
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.599
make it work as an ongoing concern and as a Star Trek show.

1471
01:03:42.659 --> 01:03:46.679
So they take something that isn't going to be a Star Trek show in

1472
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:53.340
the way that, um, you know, Enterprise or Voyager or TNG, you know

1473
01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:56.639
are, and they have to try and turn it into a Star Trek show.

1474
01:03:56.699 --> 01:04:00.719
And even now, there's still kind of awkward things where, you know

1475
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:06.179
characters like Bryce or Reese, who are just scenery, you know, in

1476
01:04:06.179 --> 01:04:07.739
series one.

1477
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:12.840
Now, after 4 years, you know, they barely exist as characters

1478
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.840
because that was never the intention that they were part of the

1479
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:16.500
backdrop.

1480
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:24.480
Um, here, they know going in that it's an ongoing, you know, five

1481
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:28.800
year mission and they're desperate to do actual Star Trek.

1482
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:31.800
It's not just set in the Star Trek universe.

1483
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:32.880
It's Star Trek.

1484
01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:38.099
And it's Star Trek in a way that maybe nothing has been since the

1485
01:04:38.099 --> 01:04:38.760
original.

1486
01:04:38.820 --> 01:04:41.400
I think it's, yeah. you know, I agree.

1487
01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:45.539
And despite that, you know, it's not just a retrade.

1488
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:50.159
It's not unambitious because it's doing Star Trek with modern TV

1489
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:54.780
sensibilities and just the most incredible visual flair.

1490
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.260
But I think as well, the most important thing.

1491
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.780
Like, it's not the visuals.

1492
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:01.860
It's not the politics.

1493
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.340
It's not any of that For me, it's...

1494
01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:07.320
Okay, it's not the most important thing.

1495
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:08.820
For me, it's the character.

1496
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:13.440
I think with all those shows, they've assembled a charismatic

1497
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.739
brilliant characters that you just want to go on a journey with.

1498
01:05:16.860 --> 01:05:20.219
Although, you know, sorry, I'm going to try and go for the outline

1499
01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:22.500
but DSI is still the best.

1500
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:23.099
Yeah.

1501
01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:31.800
All right, it's time to choose our next episode.

1502
01:05:31.860 --> 01:05:36.000
So we're at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1503
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:43.260
And because I kind of hijacked, chose selection last week, it's

1504
01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:45.119
going to be his turn again this week.

1505
01:05:45.179 --> 01:05:47.579
So what are you picking for us?

1506
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:52.019
Well, I'm only selecting one show this week, Nathan, and that is

1507
01:05:52.019 --> 01:05:55.679
obviously the best Star Trek show, and that is Star Trek Deep

1508
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:56.340
Space 9.

1509
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.900
However, I am on a mission because I, you know, I'm always saying

1510
01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:02.820
very pleasant things about DS9.

1511
01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:05.280
Well, there's a fair number of bollocks in there as well.

1512
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:08.159
So I'm on the hunt for some bollocks.

1513
01:06:08.219 --> 01:06:09.599
Okay. shouldn't be too hard.

1514
01:06:11.099 --> 01:06:13.619
Okay, well, I'm going to press the button.

1515
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:13.980
You ready?

1516
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:14.400
Yep.

1517
01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:15.840
Okay.

1518
01:06:16.619 --> 01:06:21.239
Oh, no, that would be such a fun one to talk about, looking for

1519
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.039
Palmok, in all the wrong places.

1520
01:06:23.099 --> 01:06:25.980
Well, that's the sex episode.

1521
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:27.780
Yeah, okay.

1522
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.320
That's the one where Kieran O'Brien are barely keeping their hands

1523
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.820
off each other, where Quark's trying to, it's a sequel to House of

1524
01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:36.179
Cork.

1525
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:38.159
Oh, okay. we should do that.

1526
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.960
Is it terrible?

1527
01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:41.400
I'm sure lot.

1528
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:42.480
Okay, you've already done that.

1529
01:06:42.539 --> 01:06:43.139
That's your thing.

1530
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.019
No, I don't want to do this one.

1531
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:46.980
Extreme measures.

1532
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:51.300
It's um, it's the section 31 episode in the last 10 episodes.

1533
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:55.019
And it's, yeah, it requires an awful lot of...

1534
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.300
Oh, now, this is more like it.

1535
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.159
This is truly, truly shit.

1536
01:06:59.460 --> 01:07:04.500
It's your random Star Trek D Space 9 episode is dramatis

1537
01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:05.400
personae.

1538
01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:06.599
Ah yes, okay.

1539
01:07:06.659 --> 01:07:10.739
Is that awful one where...

1540
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:11.579
What's that mean?

1541
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:12.719
Cast of characters or something?

1542
01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:15.000
Yeah, it means characters of the drama, right?

1543
01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:15.420
Yeah.

1544
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:16.380
Oh, okay.

1545
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:21.420
Well, anyway, is these strange purple orbs that go into all the

1546
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.820
crew and make them behave out of character.

1547
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:24.420
Holy crap.

1548
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.940
It's decent. everyone forgets how to act.

1549
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:28.619
It's Deep Space 9's power play.

1550
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.380
It's Deep Space 9 series one.

1551
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.300
We don't know who these people are yet, and we're going to make

1552
01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:34.380
them all act out.

1553
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:34.920
Yeah, good idea.

1554
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:36.300
Yeah, that always works well.

1555
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.920
Do you know what?

1556
01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:38.880
It's one of the worst ones.

1557
01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:41.579
I couldn't have picked a better one, honestly.

1558
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.599
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1559
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:55.800
and Nathan Bottomley.

1560
01:07:55.860 --> 01:07:59.340
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find

1561
01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:01.800
links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1562
01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:05.099
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1563
01:08:05.099 --> 01:08:06.599
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1564
01:08:06.659 --> 01:08:10.920
This episode was recorded on the 15th of May 2022 and released on

1565
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:12.000
the 27th of May.

1566
01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:16.500
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Dramatis

1567
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:17.159
Persona.

1568
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.239
I wanted to talk about how many reflective surfaces they were on

1569
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.699
this new enterprise, on this new enterprise.

1570
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.500
Lots of reflective surfaces without being metallic, you know, all

1571
01:08:43.500 --> 01:08:45.000
the shiny plastic surfaces.

1572
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.340
Well, I do, just because 90 Star Trek is so fucking mad.

1573
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:55.079
You know, like, it's, uh, I think you'll find there's plenty of

1574
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:56.460
reflective services in DNI.

1575
01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:57.239
I remember seeing that.

1576
01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:58.079
No, they're not.

1577
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:01.319
Oh, the whole thing is that whole 90 Star Trek look.

1578
01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:03.000
Well, that's it.

1579
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:04.319
I'm gonna send you some pictures.

1580
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.539
I'm going to prove you wrong.

1581
01:09:06.659 --> 01:09:07.979
There's no reflective service.

1582
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.739
And I'm also going to fight you over control of the randomiser.

1583
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.020
No, you can just have it because I took over the last time.

1584
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:14.340
Yeah.

1585
01:09:14.340 --> 01:09:18.840
It could be good because I literally, I'm determined to do a shit

1586
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:19.500
DS9 episode.

1587
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:20.520
Okay, all right.

1588
01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:22.859
Okay.

1589
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.460
And I'll bet, scoot in a 2nd is coming up, well, it's 20 to 11.

1590
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:27.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1591
01:09:27.659 --> 01:09:29.399
I'm going to free up the bedroom.

1592
01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:30.539
Oh, go have breakfast.

1593
01:09:30.659 --> 01:09:32.159
All right.

1594
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.199
Hang on a 2nd.

1595
01:09:35.939 --> 01:09:40.140
Unless I get a really amazing one and then, you know, maybe I'll

1596
01:09:40.140 --> 01:09:40.619
change mine.

1597
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:40.920
Okay.

1598
01:09:42.180 --> 01:09:45.960
All right, it's time to choose our next episode.