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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're coming to the listener from the past this week because

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we're going to be watching episode 3 of Picard and we're recording

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and look, it says on the website and at the end of the episode, so

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this isn't a spoiler, it's the 26th of April.

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And so the most recent episode of Picard is episode eight, which I

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haven't had time to see.

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And so we don't know how it ends, but you might, because we're not

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releasing this for a couple of weeks.

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So we're pointing on something that we don't know how it ends.

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Where are you up to in series 2.

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Well, 1st of all, I just want to say hello from the past.

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It's very nice here today.

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I'm actually, oh, this is a terrible thing to admit, but this is

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the last episode of Picard. of this season.

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This is where I stopped.

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Right.

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And I do want to talk about that, you know, because people might

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think, well, that's because I hated this episode and I didn't.

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I actually think this is an above average episode of Star Trek

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Picard.

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I think I've got a bit of an issue with watching things with

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everybody else.

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And this is a thing I've come to realise with Kurtisman Trey, I

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thought to myself, do I not enjoy Kurtzman Trey?

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Actually, I quite liked Picard series one.

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I've quite liked some of Discovery.

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I really enjoy lower decks and I still haven't watched series 2

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and I think it's just a bit of like, I quite like discovering it a

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little bit later on my own, you know?

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And then I'll go back and I'll kind of read everybody else's

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opinion.

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But yeah, it's a bit contrary really, isn't it?

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But, I don't want to do this with you lot, all right?

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You enjoy it.

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And then and then I'll get the mirrors a bit later on. right?

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I have said before on the podcast that with Discovery and Picard

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I'm there week of and as soon as possible.

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And it's only just that this week has been very podcasting heavy

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and full of personal things that has prevented me from seeing it

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yet, but I am very much looking forward to it.

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And so because you haven't seen it, I'm going to say that I have

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some misgivings about the direct in which it ends up going, and

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there are some things that I desperately hope get addressed.

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Things that are kind of surfaced at the beginning of the series

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that are fascinating and that I'm looking forward to having a

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dress.

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And in fact, one of them comes up in this episode, and I might

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comment on it.

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So, it is an interesting position to be in.

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We're so used to talking about things that we've lived with.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What did you deny?

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There's a lovely sort of warm nostalgia about talking about 90s

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trek.

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I think we're both discovering original trek kind of fresh through

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this thing because neither one of us has, you know, an intensity

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experience with that.

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And this is all brand new.

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That's the joy of this thing, isn't it?

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we've got 50 years of television to watch it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, well, more than that, really, like 55 years or something.

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But one of the things is that I really enjoyed series one of

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Picard, even though I think it didn't quite get the serialisation

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right.

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I think it struggled in those middle episodes.

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And they're all very like, if I try and think of them as

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individual episodes, any of them, those middle ones, they're very

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indistinct, you know?

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Whereas I remember the first.

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I remember the last two, but the rest of it's a bit of a blur.

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And yeah, I think as a whole, it worked.

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And interestingly, when when, um, I went back and watched the 1st

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episode for a 2nd time.

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I enjoyed it far more.

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It's weird, isn't it?

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Sometimes you go in with massive expectations and the episode

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almost like deliberately confounds them because I think we went in

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expecting kind of next generation with a budget, you know, and

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some decent filming techniques.

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And actually, it wasn't that at all.

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It really wasn't that.

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It was doing something completely different.

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And I think it put a lot of people off and the other half of the

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audience said, wow, this is like really, really fresh.

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We going to go with this.

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And I think it took that year because the last episode, I think, I

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think I'm fond of more fun of the last episode than you are.

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I thought that was one of the best Kurtzman episodes.

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I thought it paid it off really, really well, especially those

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scenes at the end with Picard and Data.

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They were beautiful.

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I did like the last episode, but I had political issues as usual

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with the resolution.

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But there are things in the last episode that I absolutely adore.

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And since it's going to come up.

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One of them is that scene where Picard has died and and little

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Eleanor, um, goes up to Raffi and just, you know, cries into her

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bosom.

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And it's so beautiful.

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And I think Elanor.

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Like, it's weird as an Australian, hearing an Australian accent on

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genre TV, you know, because we don't really make any television.

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We make names.

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You're like, no.

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No I've never even heard of it.

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No.

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Oscape is amazing.

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Yeah, it was made in Queensland.

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I'm not gonna watch that.

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But it's so weird hearing that accent. and he's such a, he's got

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one Greek parent, I think, and one Maori parent, Evan, and he's

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got that Australian accent and he is, he's so pretty in that 1st

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season and he's played for comedy, which is such a surprising

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thing.

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He's not funny himself, but there's something about his naivety

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and stuff that the other characters kind of play off.

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And because he's a kid, not just a Picard, but to all of the other

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characters as well.

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It plays really well.

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So I thought I would get that tribute in because I'm going to be

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overcome with grief pretty early on in this episode.

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No, I want to rain on your parade.

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So the episode we watched in series one, the Penthe.

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I don't think he featured at all.

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And if he did, it was very minimal.

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And you were like, oh, you know, there's no Eleanor in it.

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And I remember saying to you in that recording.

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Who's Elanor?

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This is the impact this character has had on me and I'll try not

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to be mean whilst he is expiring in this episode.

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In episode two, he just kills the fuck out of a bunch of...

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That's all you've ever done.

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Actually, do you know what?

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You're talking about episode two.

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I just want to say, episode one and 2 of season two, I thought

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were staggeringly good.

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Like, I thought episode one was, like, the probably the most

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confident, the most assured episode of Picard, yeah.

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Series two, episode one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it was almost like, okay, we know what we're doing now.

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We know who these characters are.

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We've got a fine ensemble.

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We've got that massive budget.

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We've created this kind of visually stylish new universe and it

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felt like, right, we're off.

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And I was so excited watching that because I was like, yeah, this

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is what I wanted from series one from the off.

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And then episode 2 here.

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And then went in a completely different direction.

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After this insane Nazi version with Picard as this mad dictator.

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And I was like, well, what the hell is this?

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This is amazing as well.

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I'm like, if this season is going to keep going off in these mad

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directions, I'm there for it.

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And then this episode does something different again.

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Again.

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And then I think this is where they said, wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think there are really good things to come in the 4 episodes

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that I've seen after this, and particularly next week, I think is

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very good indeed.

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I could have done with maybe one more episode in the special

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alternative as well because it was just so fun.

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And I said to you, didn't I, that I didn't think they had used 7

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of 9 effectively in Picard when we did Nepenthe, that she was my

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least favourite character.

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She was terrific in that.

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When she was the president of Earth.

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And it gave Jerry Ryan a chance to really like axe because she was

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having to pretend to be like this fascist president, but also like

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you know, she's 7 at night.

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It was so good, her performance.

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I think she's stunningly good in this episode, actually.

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And she has some really lovely movies.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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Well, before we head into the episode.

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I just want to talk about the serialised nature. of Picard, because

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like I said, I do think this is a good episode, but I thought

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episodes one and 2 were fantastic, and this is kind of above

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average, and it's because there's a lot happened.

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This is there's a lot of like transition in this episode and

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there's a lot of plots.

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And do you know what?

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In the future, looking back on Star Trek Picard as a whole.

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I don't think anybody's going to look at assimilation as an

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episode with a staggering identity of its own.

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Whereas the 1st episode, I think they would, and the 2nd episode, I

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think they would, because they were kind of like contained pieces

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in their own right.

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And this is what happened.

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I don't know what's going to happen in the rest of the season

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because I haven't seen it, but I'm guessing there's a bit more of

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this going on where there's just kind of a lot of running boxes.

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A bit like series one.

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We had the ball cube and you had Soji story and you had lots, you

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know, lots of things going on.

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And it's not a problem because that's where TV is now in that we

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are telling, you know, um, they're all like chapters in a book

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rather than individual pieces in their own right.

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I just think, Like, any next generation episode.

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Yeah, has an identity of its own because they were individual

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stories.

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And it's not a problem.

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It's just not something I like as much.

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Like, this isn't as memorable because it's doing a lot.

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Yeah.

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It's a little bit like our format isn't quite suited to this sort

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of television.

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But I'll tell you where they do get it right and that's the back

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half of series 4 of discovery, which actually manages to tell a

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story with a massive scale over a long period of time while

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producing episodes that have their own individual identity, their

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own arcs and their own shape.

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And I think it's the 1st time Kurtzman Trek gets it completely

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right.

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And I don't think I don't expect Picard to ever attempt that.

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I think the Picard model is, you know, some episodes building up

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some episodes wrapping it up and in the meantime, a series of

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plots, all of which get advanced from episode to episode.

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And things happen in episode 4 that are definitely not elsewhere.

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You know, it would be a memorable episode because of certain

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things that happen.

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But I don't think that's what they're doing.

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Yeah.

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I think people would look back and remember certain scenes in this

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episode.

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Like there's one incredible scene at the back end of this episode

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between Agnes or with Agnes and the or Queen, which I thought was

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just stunningly active.

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Um, but kind of as a piece in its own right.

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I don't think assimilation is gonna go down as, you know, one of

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the most memorable episodes of Star Trek.

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But I think I think what people remember is series one, series 2

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series three, like that's how you'll remember Picard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And to be honest with you, Nathan, I don't think DS9 in its latter

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years was immune to this as well because in that in the last 10

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episodes of DS9.

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Now, there are very memorable episodes, but you've got stuff like

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strange bedfellows and when it rains, which are absolutely

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transitionary episodes in this vein.

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Yeah, yeah, which I could tell you, you know, loads of scenes in

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them that are amazing.

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Are there fantastic episodes in their own right?

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Do they have a unique identity?

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Not really They're just advancing various plots?

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along a bit.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes that can be unsatisfying because when you sit down

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to watch an hour of TV, you kind of do expect some kind of

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character arc or some kind of through line or for it to be about a

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particular type of thing.

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But that's not always how television goes these days, I guess.

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And maybe we sort of came to expect this from Star Trek because

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that was just the model when they brought out, you know, the

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length of a Bible in the 90s.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, I actually have to say that I find this version of

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Star Trek more satisfying because you get to spend a longer time

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in a particular world and it has the sort of scale that the movies

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have.

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And I'm hugely fond of the movies, not necessarily because they're

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great, but because their scope is bigger and they play out over a

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longer period of time.

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And, you know, this is a series, for instance, that's riffing on

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Star Trek for the Voyage home, of course, which is a fan favourite

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and for a very good reason.

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And I like that about this.

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And I think both Discovery and Picard have been able to tell

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bigger stories because everyone remembers what happened last week

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and it's affected them in a way that never happens in Star Trek

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the Next Generation, just about.

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But I do think they're doing very different things because I think

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discovery is far more invested in the individual episode.

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And I think that far more discovery episodes, you could say, yeah

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that was, you know, the one on Saru's homeworld, that was the one

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with City of the Edge of forever. machine, you know, like that, you

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know, like, and that's, that's nice.

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It's nice that we're having like different takes on Star Trek

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across these different shows.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Are we ready?

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So I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Off we go.

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So I have a huge complaint about series 2 and then...

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Oh my God, you're starting with this?

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Yeah.

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Raffi and Elnor's hair are both like so bad.

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And like I really liked both of their like their hair in series

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one. fucking facetial shit, right?

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I'm serious.

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It's a huge problem for me in every scene that Raffi's in and it

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makes it harder for me to identify with him. in her 1980s.

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Yeah, but I like...

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Well, it's it's very...

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Oh, this moment.

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So we're in...

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That was genius, wasn't it?

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Q. Cliques his finger in ages and so clever.

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Do you know what though?

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He was a bit vicious in that 2nd episode and I liked it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Didn't hit him at one point?

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I think so, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So can I just also do a little bit of casting trivia here too?

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Oh, please.

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The man who plays Anika's husband, so the president's husband in

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the fascist future. is the father of the woman who plays Soji.

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Oh really?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you can see it, actually.

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He's actually in some scenes at the beginning of this episode.

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He's part hasn't ended.

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He's not just in the last week on Star Trek bit.

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Oh, there's Elon.

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It's shot at all, honestly.

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No, no, no.

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And he's a good looking guy and you can see he looks like her.

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I start to think the scene.

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No, you fancy every Asian.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I have no type.

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I have no type.

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And I'm thinking I have a big fan of Pretty Little Elanor and...

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You know when I found Creos?

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Holy crap.

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Oh my, well, we'll get there. we'll get there Yeah, I've nicked

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that catchphrase from you now.

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Every time he said dear. to Anika, it creeps me out, you know.

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He's good.

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He's really good.

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Yeah, but he's kind of dispatched very quickly.

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And it's really enjoyable.

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What I really like this bit.

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So Anika does the, you know, how dare you, this is a classified

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operation.

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And then he completely sees through it immediately and then they

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just kill them.

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And it's so great because they're so horrible.

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Like these evil fashions.

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I love how adept everybody is at fighting, you know, like it's

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such a smooth sequence when they take everybody out.

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It's really... can I make it?

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a complaint now.

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Yeah.

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Because I'm going to sound like a fossilised dinosaur when I say

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this.

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Oh, it's bloody lens flare.

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Oh, it looks so good, doesn't it?

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I love Len Slept.

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I tell you what, that Star Trek movie's got a lot to answer for.

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But it's because there's really good practical lights in the shot

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and the camera's moving and that's why you're getting lens flare.

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I think it's good.

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You know, like if the camera was all just sitting there, we'd be

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fine.

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But look, they just absolutely kill the hell out of those fucking

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guys.

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It's awesome.

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It is, it is nice because it means the sequence wasn't for nothing

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because they have shop, ill no, as well.

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So there is a consequence to all of this.

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So we see them flying away from Earth and Earth has these hexagons

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on the, you know, like over the atmosphere.

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And remember the reason it has that?

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You see that green blade coming out?

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This is really upsetting, actually, this scene.

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And Raffi is the one who sells it.

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I think she is.

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Now, I think she's marvellous until after he dies and then I have

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some complaints.

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I think there are some good moments in her reaction to that and

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some good moments in the dialogue.

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But and so the earth with the hexagons on it is the hexagons are

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there because they do nothing about the climate crisis.

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And so they just put these things over the sky, which is poison to

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kind of keep the planet habitable.

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And so it's just...

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I want to keep interrupting.

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Go on, keep going.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this has things to say about global heating, like in the

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episode, but Kurtzman Trek has something to say about it.

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Yeah, his cue, his cue, he just appears.

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He gets to be special guest.

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I don't know what to go IQ, you know?

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Special guest star John Delancey for those 15 seconds.

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Yeah, I am going to agree with Jammer at one point, though.

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I don't think they do space battles, particularly dynamically.

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This is a good one.

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No, I didn't think this was great.

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I actually thought it felt a bit...

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I don't know.

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It's the movement.

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When I think of those sequences and sacrifice of angels, where

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we're ducking in and out of ships and things like this, and it's

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all very dynamic.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. all a bit stately.

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But, but like there's character, stuff like that was just um, seven

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like destroying of Confederation ship and doing a really great job

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of it and we're happy about it because we really hate the

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Confederation.

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And... and then...

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Sorry to interrupt you.

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The queen crawling across the floor. simultaneously creepy as fuck

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and hilarious at the same time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And do you know what?

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I'm, the more I watch her, the more I'm convinced that the actress

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playing Agnes is like the MVP of this show. terrific.

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And I'm really intrigued to see where the, because I know this is

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going somewhere, her and the Ball Queen.

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Yeah.

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Look at that.

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Look at that, that beautiful shot.

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What, the ball queen?

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Yeah, with all of the tentacles suspended in front of the the...

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I mean, that's like something you get from 1st contact.

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That's a movie effect in a TV show now.

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But, you know, I mean, I think this generally looks better than

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1st contact.

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Look at those lens flares.

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Look, and the ball queen has just blown up the another 2

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federation ships.

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I like how she just takes control of the ship now. we're going

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back in time.

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I'm going to do it, you know.

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And the bloody nerve, they have him saying, 9.one, 9.3, just like

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Sulo, and the voyage home.

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I mean, this season is full of callbacks, isn't it?

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Oh, absolutely.

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It's not the last voyage home callback we're going to get this

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season.

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No.

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But you know what?

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Sometimes I think it's nice to hang a lantern on it and be like

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okay, we know we know this has been done before.

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We've done it before They should have done a call back to Futures

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End as well.

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That would been quite fun.

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Well, I think that this shares a lot of DNA with Future Zend, and

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I think Future Zend is very good.

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I have to say.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, except for Sarah Siltman.

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She is pretty in the win.

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I like Sarah Selfman, and I think she's particularly guilty

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wouldn't you?

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She's a kind of horrible person and I think that's awesome.

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Here we go.

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Oh, now, um...

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Another one of my complaints is, is you know when they go?

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going back in time now, yeah.

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They're going through the corona of the sun and all of this.

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I don't think this is as visually interesting as Voyage Home, you

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know, where they had those bizarre buss of the crew in white

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coming out of the sun, you know?

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But whereas they just sort of go, whoosh, they're gone.

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The sound is so well done.

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The sound.

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What about this very weird shot?

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Yeah, I did like that. slow motion and backwards.

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Reversing.

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Yeah, that was, and the tear crawls up girati's cheek and, and

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like, Picard is smiling oddly.

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Like, I think that's probably a callback to that scene.

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I don't know she's done it, you know, but Jerry Ryan just needs to

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get more attractive every year.

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So stunning, isn't she?

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Just fantastic.

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So, oh, I mean, credits?

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We just talk about the...

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Well, yeah, because friend of this podcast and all of our podcasts

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that we do, you and me, Stephen Alexander, seems to think that the

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original Star Trek Picard theme tune is the most boring thing he's

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ever heard in his life.

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And he said recently when we were talking about Picard, how they

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basically managed to maintain the bare bones of it, but now make

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it as exciting as they possibly can.

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Yeah, and so there was something, like, I want to say, elegiac

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about the series one theme, which I think is beautiful, but it

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does too.

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I really liked it. but it was a go on to.

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It reminded me of that original DS9 theme in that it is a little

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bit... you know, oh, okay.

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And I think this is still just as beautiful, but it does some more

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interesting things.

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And I love the titles for both series as well because they're...

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Are they going to change it every year?

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Are they basically saying, do you know what, the 1st year it

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wasn't that exciting?

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So we're going to do something more exciting.

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Because this, like, with the roof of the conservatory braking and

505
00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:29.940
the glass appearing, in series one, and then this strange

506
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:35.339
representation of parallel universes and the time thing, you know

507
00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:40.619
which turns into a hourglass, like all of that is all queen inside

508
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:41.460
glass.

509
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.400
All of that is, is clearly series 2.

510
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.960
And the stuff in series one has, you know, Romulus breaking up and

511
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:49.980
all of that.

512
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.900
So I think it will change every year.

513
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.019
It just has a bit, it's certainly darker and it has more bombast

514
00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:55.380
to it.

515
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.579
Yeah, I like it.

516
00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:57.539
It's a great piece of news.

517
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:58.140
It comes in.

518
00:24:58.140 --> 00:24:59.400
Like, I love it.

519
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.140
It's got a bit more teeth, isn't it?

520
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:01.859
more exciting.

521
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:05.700
So yay for the new tile sequence.

522
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:06.420
That's what we're saying.

523
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:07.200
Yeah, I agree.

524
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:07.799
I agree.

525
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:11.400
But, you know, this is a version, an era of Star Trek that does

526
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.839
superb title sequences.

527
00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:16.200
I think. in a way that the...

528
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:17.279
You compare it tonight.

529
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:18.180
I know I know you are.

530
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.559
Don't you worry. know you are.

531
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:22.019
I still love Voyager going for all those nebulas.

532
00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:23.339
Voyager.

533
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.359
I'm here to defend you.

534
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:25.680
Yeah, no it's pretty good.

535
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:27.960
You know, something I've come to love over time.

536
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.000
I wasn't that keen on it to start off with because it was so

537
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.240
different from, you know, the boring lounge ship of the Enterprise

538
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:34.079
deal.

539
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.059
Is this ship?

540
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.160
And now I really love it.

541
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:41.640
And I love, um, the consoles being all holograms in front of

542
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:41.819
them.

543
00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:45.240
And the way, and the way he kind of turns them around, like, like

544
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.019
360?

545
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:46.859
terrific.

546
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.519
Well, in a minute, when Rios gives Picard control of the ship

547
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:54.359
because Picard's old and can't cope with holograms, he just

548
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:58.380
dismisses his holograms and they appear on a panel in front of

549
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.539
Picard so that he can still cope with them.

550
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.519
I think...

551
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.559
He seems so frail.

552
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.200
He can barely get his dialogue out anymore.

553
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:08.759
His voice is going.

554
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:09.720
Yeah.

555
00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:12.900
But like you can, there's something mechanical about his speech

556
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:16.619
production as a result of his age and it's really audible.

557
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.279
I think he does a great job, but he shows so much vulnerability.

558
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.140
Yeah, but you know what?

559
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.720
The more I thought, because initially I was just like, well, this

560
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.599
is just weird and I'm so used to Picard being so authoritative.

561
00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:30.720
And Patrick Stewart's voice in the next generation was such a

562
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:31.740
weapon that he used.

563
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.039
Um, and then I thought about it.

564
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:38.700
I was like, no, it's great to have an older character who is

565
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:39.359
vulnerable.

566
00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.339
Spearheading a TV show.

567
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.000
Like that's different.

568
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.019
I agree.

569
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:44.819
Refreshing.

570
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.900
It's good.

571
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.039
I think it's a really good choice.

572
00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:50.759
And I think the regular cast is so great.

573
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:54.539
Like I just love these new characters so much.

574
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.420
I mean, they were always going to surround it. by hot young things

575
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:57.900
weren't they?

576
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:01.140
Yeah, but it wasn't going to be, you know, the geriatric next

577
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:02.400
generation crew all around him.

578
00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:09.299
No, but I'd have to say that like Rios and Raffi are older than

579
00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:14.940
any of the, do you think than any of the regulars in series one of

580
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.079
Star Trek, the Next Generation?

581
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.460
Yes.

582
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.220
Yeah, definitely, apart from, you know.

583
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.380
And they may be Patrick Stewart's age.

584
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.180
I mean, how old is he?

585
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:24.900
The youngest?

586
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.220
she probably is, isn't she?

587
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.059
Oh, no, Eleanor's the youngest, obviously, he's a kid.

588
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:33.539
Oh, yeah.

589
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:37.200
Jerry Ryan must be what, mid 40s now.

590
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.480
Oh no, because she's got to be older than me.

591
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.839
I think, like I think, I don't know.

592
00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:43.440
I don't know.

593
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:46.440
Really?

594
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:47.700
That surprises me.

595
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.960
That surprises me.

596
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:50.759
Oh, so here we go now.

597
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:51.000
Now.

598
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:51.299
Okay.

599
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.000
So this is one of the big events I think people are going to

600
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.059
remember this episode for and that is the death of Elmo.

601
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:01.500
Oh, and he gets to do that little joke, the little, I'm busy at

602
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.940
the moment with organs.

603
00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:06.480
And I actually...

604
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.680
And I like the fact that she pulls out the piece of jewellery

605
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.160
doesn't she?

606
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:16.079
But also the line, she reads the line and it's, there's no time

607
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:21.299
but now, and then she looks down at him and he's dead, and I think

608
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:23.519
that's astoundingly good.

609
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:25.740
Give me my butt here.

610
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:33.420
I've watched enough Star Trek time travel episodes in my day to

611
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:35.819
know that this ain't gonna stick, all right?

612
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.660
I still don't know whether it's going to...

613
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.319
I mean, I'll tell you what, they're playing a long game because if

614
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.420
they have an amount for nearly an entire season.

615
00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:50.099
Okay, well, this is this is from the past.

616
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.019
Hello, people from the future.

617
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.279
You already know how this is going.

618
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:56.460
Let's see. don't know.

619
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.299
But look, I think that they sell this enough.

620
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.519
Oh, this pretty...

621
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.259
You say you was right in the finale?

622
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.279
Brandon Bragger.

623
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:06.839
Of course he's going to be back.

624
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.420
He's not joking. joking.

625
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.140
And why have they sidelined him?

626
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.519
Like I think they give Raffia a running plot because he's dead and

627
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:23.339
give her motivation and give Michelle some serious acting

628
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:23.759
moments.

629
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:28.920
It is, it is plausible, but I find that they push the

630
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.700
characterisation a bit, and there's a scene where she criticises

631
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:35.099
Picard in a minute, and I don't buy it at all.

632
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.099
I, that's a line that I think is amazing and I'll tell you why

633
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:39.240
when we get to it.

634
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:44.099
But, um, Maybe it's the performance then.

635
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.140
I was just like, this is a bit strong for somebody who says that

636
00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:50.279
she knows him very, very well.

637
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:51.839
Oh, look at him.

638
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:53.039
He is pretty, isn't he?

639
00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:55.079
So pretty, but he's so sweet.

640
00:29:55.140 --> 00:30:02.640
Like for someone who, you know, uh, is, is, uh, sort of Romulan

641
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:08.039
truth ninja or whatever, he carves people up and kills bunches of

642
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.460
people and stuff, that he's so sweet and so innocent and so

643
00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:12.539
funny.

644
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:18.720
And the hug that he gives 7 of 9 when he 1st meets her in series

645
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.400
one and that hug I mentioned before when he's crying at Picard's

646
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:24.059
death.

647
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.000
This, this moment here, she's fridging him.

648
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:30.240
She's putting him in the fridge and she can't close the door.

649
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:34.980
There's just a moment where she stops and kind of then has to

650
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:37.559
force herself to push the door closed the rest of the way.

651
00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:39.119
I think that's really good.

652
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:44.039
Do you know the scene post his death that really convinced me was

653
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.680
the one where 7 tried to make her talk about it.

654
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.619
And you have 2 people in a relationship.

655
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.160
I won those, the other ones going through trauma, and she just

656
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.240
kept pushing her away.

657
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.380
And to have 7 of 9 who, you know, usually shies away from that

658
00:30:58.380 --> 00:30:58.920
sort of thing.

659
00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:02.220
I thought that was it was awkward and it felt very real.

660
00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:04.799
Yeah, I think their relationship is great.

661
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:07.380
I think their relationship is really good.

662
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.720
And look, he's 7 saying you should have let Rios.

663
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.539
He could have been in love with Chakotay, you know, Nathan, you

664
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:13.440
know, that wasn't potential.

665
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.000
So this is what I like.

666
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:22.140
So there's this line here where he, she says, and you don't know

667
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:23.099
where it's going.

668
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.880
Raffi, I know what you're feeling, and she says, I promise you

669
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.599
don't, because what I'm feeling right now, and you think it's a

670
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.200
grief or something, intense grief or intense rage or intense

671
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:35.880
something, and it's sharp.

672
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.880
The line disappointment in leadership is so understated verbally

673
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.700
and it hits so strongly.

674
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:50.339
I think it's a really well written line and that's the other thing

675
00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:53.880
that's a real pleasure here is this is still sort of cheesy

676
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:58.019
science fiction genre TV dialogue, but it's generally so much

677
00:31:58.019 --> 00:31:58.619
better.

678
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:03.059
And there's some really, really properly funny stuff, which is why

679
00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:03.599
you...

680
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.440
She's going, oh, you 2 play games together and blah, blah, blah.

681
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:09.180
Like, if she knew because, no, he doesn't.

682
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.200
Q plays the games.

683
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:12.359
No, the cheeseang reacts to them.

684
00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:13.380
Yeah I get it.

685
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.220
But I think that this is going to pay off.

686
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.079
This is the thing that I referred to before.

687
00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:23.880
I think they raised this issue of Q and Picard's relationship.

688
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:27.359
I don't want to spoil upcoming episodes, but it comes up again.

689
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:32.460
And it is the what is the deal with Q and Picard?

690
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.799
And that, that what Raffi says is a plausible reading of what's

691
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:38.160
happening.

692
00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:40.740
You know, that they meet every year.

693
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:46.680
They do banter, people get killed, and then we go off on our next

694
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.700
jolly adventure.

695
00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:50.460
So it's not an unfair thing for her to say.

696
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.180
Yeah, because you remember in Q-Hoo, where he, uh, the Bork took

697
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:55.799
out that massive slice of shit.

698
00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:56.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:58.079
And all those people in the cake coming out.

700
00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:59.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:03.420
And, and, you know, Q says this isn't, you know, we're not just

702
00:33:03.420 --> 00:33:04.799
having fun here.

703
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.380
Sometimes you're going to get a bloody nose.

704
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.779
Yeah, yeah. going off exploring the universe.

705
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:10.680
Yeah, you know.

706
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:13.259
Picard says, well, that's not going to stop me. you know?

707
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.160
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:18.059
So I think that I hope that that goes somewhere, that that

709
00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:23.579
assessment of Q, not being malevolent, but in some way, it's the Q

710
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:26.400
Picard Dyad, that's the problem.

711
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:28.440
I want to go somewhere.

712
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:31.559
Like, should they give a definitive reading on that?

713
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:32.519
No, no, no.

714
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:33.660
No, no, no, no.

715
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.259
I think it should be a bit ambiguous, but I do, I like it being

716
00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:40.200
raised and I would like it to go to another level.

717
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.039
Because this is coming to a conclusion now, because we know

718
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.680
Patrick Stewart isn't going to make any more of the series free

719
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.039
you know, like, you know, he's got one Star Trek.

720
00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:51.000
Yeah.

721
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.740
So maybe they just, they do want to bring it to a conclusion, you

722
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:55.920
know.

723
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.079
Yeah, like if, you know, something to say.

724
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:59.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

725
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:02.640
And something to say about Picard and something to say about, like

726
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.480
it would be interesting.

727
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:07.859
Like, I don't want some explanation of the queue or, you know

728
00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:10.440
they're from this planet or whatever, that's all super tedious.

729
00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:14.460
I don't want space reasons, but I do want some character thing.

730
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.119
Yeah.

731
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:17.579
Like, I do think it's worth stepping back from me.

732
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.539
Just to say that it's astonishing that this exists 20 years after

733
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:27.239
this generation, that that Captain Picard is back as a very old

734
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.119
man, you know, with his bold new crew.

735
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:33.059
Whoever falseen this kid, like 10 years ago, Ivana said to you

736
00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:35.400
well, Patrick Stewart's going to be back and we'll have 7 at 9 on

737
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.780
his career. would come back and do Star Trek after a horrible

738
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:40.139
experience.

739
00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:44.699
Joe Ford, you speak absolute not super same to me, yeah.

740
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:45.719
So good.

741
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:49.139
So what's the name of this actress playing the ball?

742
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:50.159
I can't remember.

743
00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:52.320
She's on bloody marvellous.

744
00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:52.980
I'll tell you.

745
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:53.760
Yeah, look her up.

746
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.380
You've got Google people at all.

747
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.219
Do you know what she does?

748
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.380
She manages to be very, very chilling.

749
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.059
But also a big camp.

750
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.340
She's got a lot of character about her, you know?

751
00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:08.579
And it is an absolutely different take from the 1st contact queen

752
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:17.579
played by Alice Krieg, who is sexy and who, sorry, who seduces

753
00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:20.519
data with physical sensation.

754
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:29.039
And remember that she's sort of glistening and geege-esque in, but

755
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:33.480
you know, she's also in the body of a sort of sexy woman and

756
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.360
there's that sort of disgust.

757
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.360
There's...

758
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.019
I know you're saying.

759
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.239
Yeah, it's a bit uncomfortable, isn't it?

760
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:46.800
Well, you know, alien, where, where the alien, there's all sorts

761
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:53.219
of kind of vaguely gross sexual imagery and stuff in alien and

762
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.920
Giga is someone who...

763
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.500
Just the idea that the alien explodes out of your stomach.

764
00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:59.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

765
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:04.440
There's other stuff as well that where which is sort of gross and

766
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.219
sexual and they're sort of sticky fluids everywhere and all of

767
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:08.460
that.

768
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.320
And you get that with...

769
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.659
A lot of illusions to like motherhood as a merit.

770
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.

771
00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:14.699
Exactly right.

772
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.599
So there's a kind of body horror, like something about disgust and

773
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.659
sex and disgust are not a 1000000 miles apart.

774
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.320
I don't know.

775
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:23.579
Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

776
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:24.420
Trust me.

777
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.280
But here, I don't think she's sexy.

778
00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:32.039
I don't think she's that's her primary thing.

779
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:35.880
I mean, she's a beautiful woman, but she's not playing on her

780
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.719
sexuality.

781
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:39.420
She is just smart as hell.

782
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.760
Like incredibly smart.

783
00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:45.480
And so this episode...

784
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.320
There's like a cold aliens about it, but also she's just very, very

785
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:49.739
funny.

786
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.179
She's a bit funny.

787
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

788
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.159
And she's having fun.

789
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.940
And so she was sort of weird last episode and it was because she

790
00:36:56.940 --> 00:36:59.639
was aware of the kind of break in the timeline.

791
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:03.960
And she gets dialogue here saying, um, this is before the

792
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.380
divergence in the timeline, so I'm much more myself.

793
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:13.079
And she's funny and smart and sad.

794
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:13.679
And you know what?

795
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:17.159
I think the genius thing there is, and then you take Agnes, who is

796
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:23.219
this very awkward, geeky, vulnerable, lovely character.

797
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:28.860
And like just in this episode alone where she heads into her head

798
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.480
the ball queen's head, essentially.

799
00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:36.000
It's chilling as fuck. and you like you love Agnes, you know, and

800
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.880
the thought of the ball queen exerting her influence over her

801
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.659
controlling her.

802
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.159
Are we talking over real's outfit and his bum as he leaves that

803
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:44.400
scene?

804
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.880
Can we please have a look at the aesthetics in this scene?

805
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.559
Look at what 7's wearing.

806
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:52.139
This is Battlestar Galactica. lighting.

807
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.460
Look at the uniforms.

808
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.619
Like when she turns around in a minute.

809
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.139
It can literally be an episode of Battle Star.

810
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.800
Yeah, where's it looking in that hexagonal mirror and see.

811
00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:03.119
Oh, because the implant's not there.

812
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:04.079
Yeah.

813
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:04.980
Yeah.

814
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:10.380
In fact, she is magnificent in this episode and I'll point out the

815
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.780
2 bits where I think she really, really works.

816
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.440
It's the bit where she, the girl says, are you a superhero?

817
00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:17.519
That's lovely.

818
00:38:17.579 --> 00:38:18.780
Jesus, she's so funny.

819
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.619
And this is the scene you were talking about where Raffi and 7

820
00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:27.300
where 7 says, if you want to talk and Raffi says, no, I absolutely

821
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:28.619
don't.

822
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.079
You know, men, you know, I'm gay.

823
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:32.340
I remember in relationship with men.

824
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.500
Men are notoriously bad about talking about their feelings.

825
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.619
And where they just talk really, really fast and you're trying to

826
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:39.780
get a word in and you're trying to get them to engage with how

827
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.239
they're feeling and this is just so real.

828
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.380
It's wonderful.

829
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:43.800
Yeah.

830
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.340
Picard and his experiences with the Borg.

831
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.059
Yes.

832
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:54.900
He's just saying no to Agnes. not going inside her head.

833
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.059
Like, this is a bad idea.

834
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.579
And I do like the fact that this plays out for a couple of scenes

835
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:03.059
because Picard isn't instantly convinced by what Agnes wants to

836
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:03.239
do.

837
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:08.880
And this isn't, this is the last episode you've seen, but this is

838
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:15.539
not consequence free, but she does win this episode in just the

839
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:17.159
most superb.

840
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:21.960
It's a great line. isn't it?

841
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:22.980
It's such a good line.

842
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.980
It's the scenes between Agnes and the ball queen. coming up.

843
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:26.579
Oh, yeah.

844
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:28.619
I think that's going to be some of the best of the season because

845
00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:31.260
then this episode is absolutely my favourite part.

846
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:33.300
There's even a musical number.

847
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:37.440
Well, between the 2 of them. sort of.

848
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.960
After seeing the ball queen crawling across the floor, I can't

849
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.099
handle her singing a song.

850
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.260
Wait, wait till you see it.

851
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.960
It's so good Oh, is she wearing a red dress?

852
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.699
Agnes is.

853
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.000
Yeah.

854
00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:51.840
Yeah, yeah.

855
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:52.619
I've seen a picture.

856
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:53.219
She looks beautiful.

857
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.460
Because they always put her in these oversized smocks normally.

858
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.639
Well, because she's a science nerd sort of thing and so she's

859
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.300
becoming much sexier in these later episodes and a little bit more

860
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:03.780
short.

861
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:05.760
I'm sorry, can I just point out, we've been watching Next

862
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:06.840
Generation lately, right?

863
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:08.039
Yeah, a lot of it.

864
00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:12.179
Look at the lighting in this scene. the next generation.

865
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:17.460
I love the teleport effect too, the transporter effect.

866
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.920
It's so good Do you know what as well?

867
00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:21.239
The woman playing the ball queen.

868
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.699
She's all over social media promoting this, you know.

869
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.099
She's she's taking loads of selfies with all the cars.

870
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.559
She's loving the hell out of it.

871
00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:31.619
She's so excited. absolutely adorable.

872
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:33.840
Like she's so happy to be in it.

873
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:36.719
I love it.

874
00:40:36.780 --> 00:40:40.199
It's and it's absolutely...

875
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.000
It's only topped by, what's his name?

876
00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:44.579
Jerry O, is it Jerry O'Donnell?

877
00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:49.079
or Jerry O'Connell from Sliders, who's being in Star Trek.

878
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:50.519
Is it Strange New Worlds?

879
00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:53.280
I'll tell you what, the excitement he's got for her, but he must

880
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.360
be a massive Star Trek.

881
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:55.739
Isn't he in Star Trek?

882
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.360
Yeah, he's in lower decks.

883
00:40:57.420 --> 00:40:59.219
Yeah, he's ranked.

884
00:40:59.280 --> 00:40:59.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:01.079
Honestly, it's not live action.

886
00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:02.639
Whereas she's in live action trek.

887
00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:06.119
He was at a convention and 0 my god, he was bursting like a spot.

888
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:07.440
I'm telling you, he was so excited.

889
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:09.900
Wow, they're a Star Trek power couple. about that?

890
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.760
Now, I love this sequence.

891
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:12.960
This sequence.

892
00:41:13.019 --> 00:41:15.659
So we've got California dreaming comes in here now.

893
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.679
Oh, what a brilliant introduction.

894
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:21.900
It's a great cover as well.

895
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.280
Yeah, isn't it?

896
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:25.079
I really, really like the cover.

897
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:28.079
And it makes it seem more filmy and expensive.

898
00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:28.920
Yeah.

899
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.599
You know, because licensing.

900
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:32.340
They've got a drone up there, haven't they?

901
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.139
They're doing lots of lovely shows.

902
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:39.239
But no, I mean licensing a sound, a song for the soundtrack, I

903
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.340
think, makes it seem more filming.

904
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.159
But the way this is graded as well.

905
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:50.219
We emphasised in the fascist 25th century or 24th century, that

906
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:53.880
climate change had just been left to run rap, and oh, look at 7

907
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.400
smile in this, look at 7's reaction.

908
00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:57.599
She winks.

909
00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:00.719
So she kneels down in front of this little girl, not kneels down

910
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:01.260
but bends down.

911
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.360
This just shows you how she's calm.

912
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:05.519
Do you remember how that is?

913
00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:07.079
What's her name?

914
00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:08.400
No, maybe Wildman.

915
00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:11.039
And she's kind of colder, though.

916
00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:12.599
So this is played for comedy.

917
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.099
He appears up in the air.

918
00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.860
He falls down, he hits the thing.

919
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.099
Then we get the shot from above and he's bleeding from the head

920
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:21.960
and then we go to one.

921
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.199
And the song stops.

922
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:27.719
You know, like it's really, really good.

923
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.179
You know what?

924
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.639
I think I saw they might be on the Paramount backlock, you know?

925
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:35.940
I think I saw that staircase that's in every episode.

926
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.159
No, it's not.

927
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:44.159
Now, I've got to say, I did like the scenes between Rios and the

928
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.179
doctor.

929
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.380
But it felt, at this point, it just, it did feel a bit like

930
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:51.960
filling time in this episode.

931
00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:56.159
They've got good chemistry and it's all shot very well and it's

932
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.360
perfectly entertaining.

933
00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:59.159
But I was like, well, what's this got to do with anything?

934
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:01.079
Okay, this is what it's got to do with anything.

935
00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:02.940
This world here.

936
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.460
This version of America is what leads to the fascist Confederacy.

937
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.739
And so, yeah, that's why they're here.

938
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.119
No, no, but I mean, at the moment the divergence hasn't happened

939
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.079
yet.

940
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.400
So this is...

941
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.719
Oh, is it something to do with the doctor?

942
00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:20.579
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

943
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.420
So, no, this is the version because this is the version, the

944
00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:28.019
version of America that's full of gun violence and poverty and

945
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:28.800
inequality.

946
00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:33.239
It's full of like they're burning the environment.

947
00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:36.960
Look at how aggressively graded everything in LA is.

948
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:39.059
It looks brown.

949
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:40.860
The moment's already happening. happening.

950
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.159
We're heading towards it now. that that's what they're trying to

951
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:48.300
say, that America now, and it will come up in later episodes as

952
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:52.320
well, is heading towards the confederation, that we're on a knife

953
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:52.860
edge.

954
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.059
Something will happen that either leads us to a utopia or to the

955
00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:58.139
Confederation.

956
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.860
And so...

957
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:02.639
Because obviously, the whole point of that Nazi was racist.

958
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:06.059
They're pushing out all, and that's what those scenes were all

959
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:06.239
about.

960
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.039
Yeah, it's the immigration coming in.

961
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.420
Yes, Joe. And so at this thing here, we just talked over the

962
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:14.159
mugging, which is so superb.

963
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:15.480
Oh, that's marvellous.

964
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, where she just kind of looks at him and they

965
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.659
just beats the crap out of him. fabulous female character.

966
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:22.199
Yep.

967
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.880
It's all his money.

968
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:25.800
Like empty squallets.

969
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:28.440
They have a, do you know what?

970
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.400
They have a fabulously cute moment in a minute where 7 of 9 keeps

971
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.440
saying, instead of saying taking a picture.

972
00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:36.119
She's like, oh, yeah.

973
00:44:36.179 --> 00:44:38.039
Well, I think we're going to the other three.

974
00:44:38.099 --> 00:44:39.000
Yeah, that's right.

975
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.159
It's the other scene, which as well.

976
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.920
I wasn't sure if I would actually, but I really got them as a

977
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:48.300
couple. really good.

978
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.599
And, you know, I don't like this sort of thing at all, but what

979
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:52.199
hot couple?

980
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:53.039
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:54.719
I think they're I think they're stunning.

982
00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:58.019
I think Michelle Heard is so incredibly great.

983
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.599
And, you know, in both series.

984
00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:05.639
I just, I really feel like they've, they've got this ensemble

985
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:05.880
right?

986
00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:09.000
They've got this cast of characters right and it took that 1st

987
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.179
season to get it right because they all had to go on that

988
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:12.539
journey.

989
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.139
But now, like, especially in the 2nd episode where they were all

990
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:19.619
like, shit, we're in this bizarre, not, see, um, alternative world

991
00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:22.260
we've all got to work together, we've all got to try and get out

992
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:22.679
of this.

993
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:25.139
I'm like, yeah, this is what I wanted to see in series one, you

994
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:25.380
know?

995
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:32.880
In fact, episode one where it's like 2 years after series one and

996
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.980
their relationships have progressed in that time and I really

997
00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:39.119
really like that.

998
00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:42.840
You know, I was kind of thinking, how does episode 2 start?

999
00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:46.980
Are they just all on La Serena for no particular reason and like

1000
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:50.280
they're coming home from that planet or something, another

1001
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.119
adventure happens.

1002
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:54.360
No, you know, like there's there's solid reasons for them to reach

1003
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.920
out to each other and they all know and trust one another and and

1004
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.000
I really like that.

1005
00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:04.860
Do you know, Nathan, you do that thing, you know, where you say a

1006
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:07.739
foreign word and that's the one word you put the accent on.

1007
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.239
Yeah, you know, it's a thing.

1008
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:10.199
I don't want to...

1009
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:11.280
It's very sexy, you know?

1010
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.019
Say it again.

1011
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.039
There's some Spanish coming up to, and I don't know Spanish.

1012
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:20.579
I know some Italian, but they have Spanish dialogue that's not

1013
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:23.760
subtitled or is subtitled as talking in Spanish.

1014
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:26.699
And there's one line which I think I understood.

1015
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:32.099
So do you know already what the moment is that caused the

1016
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:32.760
divergence?

1017
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:33.300
No.

1018
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:36.840
So you're what, episode 7 and then they still haven't told you

1019
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.079
yet.

1020
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:38.159
Do you know what?

1021
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:40.559
If it's anything like that discovery, when I was waiting to find

1022
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.380
out what calls the burn and it was that kid screaming out for his

1023
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:46.380
mother, won't be happy. instead of the Romulans or something.

1024
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:47.219
That's right.

1025
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:54.000
So...

1026
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.039
Oh, no, you'll just die now, wouldn't you?

1027
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:59.039
Mr. Romulans, come back into the part, Arsenal, and this, yeah

1028
00:46:59.039 --> 00:46:59.340
eh?

1029
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:00.480
So...

1030
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:06.840
And so this is the thing where we start to get the border between

1031
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:08.519
Agnes and the queen.

1032
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.199
Creepy.

1033
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.280
Yeah, yeah.

1034
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:14.400
And so she's the queen at the moment.

1035
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:18.239
I'm going to tell you now this is some of the best acting I've

1036
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:18.840
seen in this show.

1037
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.239
Yeah, she goes between the 2 characters.

1038
00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:24.179
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. and the 2 of them together.

1039
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:26.039
It's really good.

1040
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:29.219
I mean, that's why this plot gets the title.

1041
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.239
See, here.

1042
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:33.480
Look, this shot here of them in, what is it, Los Angeles?

1043
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:35.219
It's going to come from Futures End, you know?

1044
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.940
It's very similar.

1045
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.920
But you look at how everything is brown and how it just looks like

1046
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.059
the world is burning up.

1047
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.699
Like this looks like a dystopian future.

1048
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.780
It's shot, it's 2 years from now, but it looks like a dystopian

1049
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:49.079
future.

1050
00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:52.019
And they kind of oversell it in this scene when they look out

1051
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:56.400
across at the hills, which are all on fire, but that was a thing

1052
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:57.000
that happened.

1053
00:47:57.059 --> 00:48:00.659
Is that where the suspense of this going forward is then, is like

1054
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:03.300
we're introducing all these characters and it's kind of a running

1055
00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:06.300
storyline in the present or the near future.

1056
00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:11.039
Um, And we're waiting to see which one of these elements is

1057
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.239
important.

1058
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:18.179
I, they introduce an element which is a bit science fiction-y, and

1059
00:48:18.179 --> 00:48:21.599
I don't know how it ends, but when they introduce...

1060
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:22.800
Tell me, I don't know.

1061
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:23.579
I'm not going to say that.

1062
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:27.719
Rios says, well, how does that change the future?

1063
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.119
And I kind of think, ooh.

1064
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:32.579
So this might just be a red herring.

1065
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.679
And I, because I think, I think that the...

1066
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.400
Why is this scene?

1067
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:44.940
This scene where... where the 2 of them are convinced...

1068
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.559
It's so funny.

1069
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.659
And the fish are out.

1070
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.000
I mean, to be fair, this does look like an Instagram picture, the

1071
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:51.900
2 of them next to each other.

1072
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.559
But it is that thing where she says strangers don't normally like

1073
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:55.980
me.

1074
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.219
Oh, yeah, I love that one.

1075
00:48:59.280 --> 00:48:59.820
Is that interesting?

1076
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.139
And it's true as well, isn't it?

1077
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.900
Because you think about Voyager when everybody was very, you

1078
00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:04.079
know.

1079
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:06.780
And she's fun at having fun.

1080
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:08.400
I also love...

1081
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.400
To be fair, though, she used to chip him off with lines like, you

1082
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.599
know, to Tom Paris and Blada Torres, there's nobody on deck 5

1083
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.139
section 4 that doesn't hear you having intimate relations.

1084
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.260
There was a reason why people were a bit cultable, so.

1085
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:23.760
But...

1086
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.280
But...

1087
00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:28.380
Oh, he's so beautiful.

1088
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:32.280
And this thing here where she just says, all right, off you go.

1089
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:33.780
You know, you reckon you can walk out of here.

1090
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:34.139
Go on.

1091
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:35.820
Whee, then he just falls over.

1092
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.000
The best bit is where he starts telling his story.

1093
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.179
And then halfway through, she snaps his hand back.

1094
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:47.820
And I was going, oh, we doing this for an old story and I was like

1095
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:48.900
there's just a version.

1096
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:50.760
It was really good.

1097
00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:54.119
But this here and next week.

1098
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:57.960
So they're arrested at the end of this episode, both of them, and

1099
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:03.360
they're taken away by ice by immigration and customs enforcement

1100
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:09.179
which is, and like everyone is racist towards them.

1101
00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:15.780
And people use racial slurs to refer to the, um, and they're, you

1102
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:17.039
know, they're basically...

1103
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.199
I just thought driving the point home because her dad's there, you

1104
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.539
know, so like, cool, we've got to get my dad out of the back door

1105
00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:25.559
and then the man who comes in, who, you know, there's no subtle in

1106
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.659
here and he's like, why, you know, you foreigners.

1107
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.820
Yeah, yeah, but it goes on.

1108
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:31.440
But now, yeah, actually...

1109
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.239
So he's Chris...

1110
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:37.320
So he gives his name here, Chris, he's giving his name now and

1111
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:41.340
they call, they deliberately mispronounce it.

1112
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.000
They, you know, call them Pedro and things like they, you know

1113
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.539
like they just use racial slurs because ice is all about getting

1114
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:56.400
you know, Latino, Latina, people out of America, you know, and

1115
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.880
finding illegals and people who are undocumented and stuff.

1116
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:00.900
And this is.

1117
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.900
And to be fair, you know, this is this is absolutely making a

1118
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.860
comment on...

1119
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:08.039
Yeah, just what's happening in America and in England and probably

1120
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.699
everybody.

1121
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.119
Oh, look, Australia has its own really horrific version of this

1122
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:13.559
sort of thing happening as well.

1123
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:18.539
And but is this around the time of the Bell riots?

1124
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:20.880
I don't know.

1125
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.340
I think that may have been in 2024.

1126
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.460
Yeah, it is in the 2020s certainly the Bell riots, yeah.

1127
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.860
I don't know what it is.

1128
00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:33.119
It's just as the scene. right, just as the scene is about to get

1129
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.199
super corny.

1130
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.619
And she's about to see how proud she is of it.

1131
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:38.639
Now that's how you do it.

1132
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:40.380
You make people think, oh, no.

1133
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:41.820
Oh that's clever.

1134
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.960
That is clever.

1135
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:45.059
And then she says, good story.

1136
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.039
Do you know what, do you know what it is, right, about Rios, that

1137
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.699
makes me want to lick his arse is, sorry.

1138
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.179
No, it's the fact that he is so masculine, yeah.

1139
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.599
He looks so and yeah, he's very gentle and vulnerable as well.

1140
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.659
He's just, he just ticks every ball.

1141
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.280
He's so annoying. beautiful.

1142
00:52:05.340 --> 00:52:06.360
Yeah, just done it.

1143
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:07.679
And he's hot in an action scene too.

1144
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:08.760
Yeah, yeah, bastard.

1145
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:11.639
And they were like, we all aspire to be more like Rios.

1146
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.639
There were 6 of him last season or 5 or whatever.

1147
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.739
Oh, look at those fires burning on the hill.

1148
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.260
Yeah, and so here we actually get it, you know.

1149
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.239
And she says, this is like, I think this happens in her version of

1150
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:25.320
history as well.

1151
00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:27.900
But then she says maybe the future we saw starts here.

1152
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.940
So it's not, do you know what I mean?

1153
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.780
It's not subtle.

1154
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.280
They do spell it out for us.

1155
00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:33.840
The fire's burning on the hill.

1156
00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:35.579
No, that's not a very subtle visual.

1157
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.619
It is making the point, you know?

1158
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.579
I like the new tricorders, how they are just sort of giant iPhones

1159
00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:48.960
like with touch screens, like the ones in, in, uh, uh, prodigy are

1160
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.559
so great.

1161
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:54.059
Like instead of the stupid ones that they had in the 90s.

1162
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.719
You, um, you remember I said about this, like, you know, kind of

1163
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.780
not having an identity of it, sorry. seem to seem, though.

1164
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.039
It is very entertaining.

1165
00:53:02.099 --> 00:53:05.099
Oh yeah, I think it's a good, you know, there's a, there's a lot

1166
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:07.679
of skill, you know, involved in the making of this.

1167
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.159
I don't want to say it's terrible because it's really fun to

1168
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:11.340
watch.

1169
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.900
Oh, I love this scene with the kids.

1170
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.179
Yeah, it's really good. isn't it?

1171
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.460
You know, I thought that there was going to be something to do

1172
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:19.800
with the technology that the badge had been dropped.

1173
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:23.039
Oh no, it is dropped at the end of this episode, isn't it?

1174
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:28.440
No, she takes it off him and stores it in the office so that he

1175
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:29.760
doesn't steal stuff.

1176
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:31.500
And he's taken out by the immigration police.

1177
00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:33.239
And he's taken out by ice.

1178
00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:35.519
They're both taken out by ice leaving the thing there.

1179
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:37.500
That's going to be relevant in the future.

1180
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

1181
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:44.039
Well, there's a big action sequence between 7 and Raffi rescuing

1182
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:44.340
him.

1183
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.940
Uh...

1184
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:48.960
Can I make something to you?

1185
00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:49.619
Yeah.

1186
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.800
Can I make something to you whilst he is handing out peanut

1187
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:53.760
cookies to children?

1188
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:56.699
I just so happen to have some peanut cookies right here.

1189
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.500
Oh, my God.

1190
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.019
I was just thinking how gross that would be.

1191
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:02.579
Oh, they're lovely.

1192
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.679
I'll do anything for a peanut cookie.

1193
00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:07.800
I actually thought he was really genuinely appreciating like

1194
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.900
peanut butter that hadn't been replicated.

1195
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.980
And then I realised he was just kind of trying to sell them to the

1196
00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:14.219
kid.

1197
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:16.440
He's bastard.

1198
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:16.920
Rios.

1199
00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:18.119
He's even amazing with kids.

1200
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:22.260
Yeah, yeah You know, he's a, you know, hell of a flirt as well.

1201
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1202
00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:25.380
Star Trek Rios.

1203
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:29.820
Here, there is a scene coming up and it's in, there's a line

1204
00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:34.079
coming up in Spanish and I think she says to him, you better do

1205
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.360
your homework or there's no Rick and Morty.

1206
00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:37.079
Oh, there it is.

1207
00:54:37.139 --> 00:54:38.639
It was in the...

1208
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.320
You'd better finish your homework.

1209
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:41.460
There's no Rick and Morty.

1210
00:54:41.820 --> 00:54:45.059
But, you know, that's a strange cultural reference because they

1211
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:46.260
stop making that now, haven't they?

1212
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:47.639
No, no, they're supposed to be in.

1213
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:49.440
Oh, they still make it.

1214
00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:50.159
No, they're making it.

1215
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.780
And this is a couple of years in the future, right?

1216
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.559
Yeah.

1217
00:54:52.619 --> 00:54:55.980
The version that I had before didn't have the Spanish subtitled

1218
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:59.519
but this version I'm currently watching does for some reason.

1219
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:01.619
Look at this pair.

1220
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:05.039
I mean, the kids that these 2 would create would be absolutely

1221
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:06.659
beautiful.

1222
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.980
Yeah, so there she's taking the badge out and putting it on the

1223
00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:11.639
front desk.

1224
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:15.420
And I think the last shot of the episode is us seeing the badge

1225
00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:18.000
left behind on the front door.

1226
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:19.920
Like, honest to God though, Nathan, think about this for a

1227
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:20.159
second.

1228
00:55:20.219 --> 00:55:21.659
Go back one episode.

1229
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.599
We were so a completely different place.

1230
00:55:24.659 --> 00:55:27.420
Like the ground that this season is coming.

1231
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:28.440
Yeah, is astonishing.

1232
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.099
Yeah.

1233
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:29.579
Yeah.

1234
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:33.239
I really like the Ball Queen's makeup.

1235
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:34.679
It's amazing.

1236
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.059
It is amazing.

1237
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.219
And because they haven't done the slimy thing, she looks

1238
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:42.420
fabulously imperious and she is so smart, she's so good.

1239
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:46.139
But when she's being amiable and smiley in those Instagram

1240
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:49.380
pictures in that makeup, it looks even scarier, I'm telling you.

1241
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:50.159
It's wonderful.

1242
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:51.119
I just love her to dance.

1243
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:51.840
She's so good.

1244
00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:59.820
Do you think that Patrick Stewart said, let's call time after

1245
00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:00.539
series 3?

1246
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:06.780
I think that they would have done it for as long as he was willing

1247
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:10.440
to...

1248
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:13.260
Because this must be a heavy shadow, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1249
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.320
Yeah, I mean, you know, like he's he's not the main character.

1250
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:19.260
Lots of he's sort of the main character, but he's not, you know

1251
00:56:19.260 --> 00:56:21.239
he's just one of the characters in this episode.

1252
00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:28.260
And, um, But I just kind of think, you know, I just imagine them

1253
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:31.260
kind of going, well, we have plans will do this, we'll do that.

1254
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.320
And then they discover that Patrick Stewart would be happy to do

1255
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.800
more Star Trek and they go, fuck it, let's make up a show and put

1256
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:38.519
him in it.

1257
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:42.059
And like whatever our plans are, they can wait because we have

1258
00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:43.139
Patrick Stewart.

1259
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.139
And that's absolutely the right decision.

1260
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:46.920
Yeah, sure.

1261
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.639
For sure.

1262
00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:49.980
I mean, he's not even our main anchors for the past.

1263
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.019
Yeah, but we've got to the past.

1264
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:53.760
Oh, Star Trek 7.

1265
00:56:53.820 --> 00:56:55.019
Did you see what she said there?

1266
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.219
What is it you desire?

1267
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:57.239
Well, legs for a star.

1268
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:59.639
Yeah.

1269
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.059
Oh, she's funny.

1270
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:06.059
I don't think I don't think she was funny before.

1271
00:57:06.179 --> 00:57:08.460
Like, God, do you remember the ball queen in Voyager?

1272
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.800
And they really dropped the ball on that.

1273
00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:12.539
Well, they get out.

1274
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:14.820
She was just like a ranting villain, wasn't she?

1275
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:15.840
Yeah.

1276
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:17.940
But here she's smart as hell.

1277
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.019
So here's ice and he's a patient, isn't he?

1278
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.099
That's not her father, is it?

1279
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:23.760
He's a patient.

1280
00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:24.960
Oh, I thought it was her dad.

1281
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.760
No, I'm just assuming that he's a patient.

1282
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.460
No, no, no, no, no.

1283
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:30.059
Maybe he is.

1284
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:33.059
I missed that, but I didn't assume that she was his father.

1285
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.460
I just assumed that he was a patient because we need a patient.

1286
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.019
We need more than one patient.

1287
00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:42.239
So this is where this is where we drop about the watch are.

1288
00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:45.300
So that's kind of like our anchor to the next episode now, isn't

1289
00:57:45.300 --> 00:57:45.420
it?

1290
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:45.840
you know?

1291
00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:48.539
And the next episode culminates in us finding the watcher.

1292
00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:50.820
Uh, Yeah.

1293
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:51.960
I think.

1294
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:54.960
Why are you, what, what's your complaints going forward, Ben?

1295
00:57:55.019 --> 00:58:01.320
I think there's one plot which involves the actor who played Soji

1296
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:02.940
last season.

1297
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:06.659
And I just wonder whether it's one too many things.

1298
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.800
And I'm...

1299
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:08.699
Is it just to include her?

1300
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.099
No, there's someone else involved.

1301
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.780
I don't want to spoil it for you too much.

1302
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.639
Okay, yeah.

1303
00:58:14.699 --> 00:58:18.719
Okay, so everyone else knows who else is in that. thread.

1304
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.940
And I've heard about episode 8 that it's a bit like episode

1305
00:58:23.940 --> 00:58:24.599
seven.

1306
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:26.760
But I thought episode 6 was very strong.

1307
00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:27.780
I thought 5 was strong.

1308
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:28.800
I thought 4 was great.

1309
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:33.420
Like, I've been on board with this, but it is getting a bit, I

1310
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:35.400
it's starting to spin its wheels at the end, I think.

1311
00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:39.119
And what kind of one of my disappointments with this season is

1312
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.099
that that 1st episode.

1313
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:42.780
Look at her winning.

1314
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:49.679
Look at, so here is, here is Agnes saying, so what's the

1315
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.820
information you have?

1316
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.480
I'm taking it from your brain and I've locked it in a box.

1317
00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:59.460
But no, but the funny line is when she tells the computer to bring

1318
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:04.260
up the contents of the file shit ice stole from the...

1319
00:59:05.579 --> 00:59:07.199
It's so great.

1320
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:10.199
And you know what?

1321
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.719
That's a justified swear.

1322
00:59:12.780 --> 00:59:15.059
Oh, I love swimming in modern Star Trek.

1323
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.739
It makes people seem more real.

1324
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.139
And I just think it should happen.

1325
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:24.239
And, you know, you can just see those geeks there getting fused.

1326
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.480
Everyone has such massive sticks up their arse in Star Trek the

1327
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:28.079
next generation.

1328
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:30.300
Like, no one's particularly cheap.

1329
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:30.719
I love it.

1330
00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:31.260
What are you talking about?

1331
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:31.860
I love it.

1332
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.280
But the fact that people speak more normally, more like actual

1333
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.840
people is what we want.

1334
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:39.059
I don't want space people speech.

1335
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:41.639
I want people talking the way that they talk.

1336
00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:47.699
I mean, we still got to get space people speech is, oh, this line

1337
00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:48.119
too.

1338
00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:51.539
You've impressed me that the most dangerous thing you can do.

1339
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:56.099
Not you stole for me, not you, you know, opposed me, but you

1340
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:56.699
impressed me.

1341
00:59:56.820 --> 01:00:00.239
I'm intrigued about you now and I'm going to find out more.

1342
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:01.619
Yeah, but also...

1343
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:03.539
Oh, and look at her there, look, just hanging.

1344
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.179
I know, it's like a spider.

1345
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.860
Sorry, just going back to what I was saying. another complaint I

1346
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:15.000
have is that that 1st episode, it presented such an enjoyable

1347
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:20.039
depiction of the future they've created, that to have an entire

1348
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:21.539
season set in the past.

1349
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.980
I'm just hoping in series 3 that we're just really gonna explore

1350
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:27.480
that future.

1351
01:00:27.539 --> 01:00:28.019
Yeah.

1352
01:00:28.019 --> 01:00:33.960
I think, look, I think that we have, I think that we have the, what

1353
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:40.619
we have is the, the, 2 presents, 2 25th century presence, the 1st

1354
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:43.920
one, then the 2nd one, which is the confederation, and then the

1355
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.019
rest of it is about determining which of those happens.

1356
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.920
And so that's why we have a fun hangout episode in episode one.

1357
01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:54.840
Then we have the fascists in episode 2 and now it's, we, we, are

1358
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:56.460
we going to end up with episode one or two?

1359
01:00:56.699 --> 01:01:00.480
I actually think they've taken one of my previous complaints about

1360
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:06.840
Picard and done it seriously well in season 2 and that is, um, you

1361
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.780
know, all the kisses to the past, because I thought the one scene

1362
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:13.260
with Guy and the way they've used Q, but made it a bit different

1363
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:15.000
and a bit more exciting.

1364
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:17.340
Um, the things they're doing with seven.

1365
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.460
I think they're taking, there's enough fan service there, but

1366
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:22.079
they're doing lots of original things as well.

1367
01:01:22.139 --> 01:01:24.480
I mean, they're doing a time travel episode.

1368
01:01:24.539 --> 01:01:26.039
And they're doing...

1369
01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:30.239
Yeah, Futures End or Star Trek, Voyage Home 4.

1370
01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:32.820
See, there's the badge on the on the table there.

1371
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:34.679
It's a very quick ending, isn't it?

1372
01:01:34.739 --> 01:01:36.059
very abrupt ending.

1373
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.440
I love the fact that the cliffhanger isn't space peril.

1374
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:46.320
It's real peril that people who look like Chris experience in

1375
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.760
America every day.

1376
01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:52.320
And I think that's really, really properly good.

1377
01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:58.800
And you know how series one, you know, all of Kurtzman Trek is

1378
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:03.420
post-Trump or, you know, Trump, then post-Trump Trek, right?

1379
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:11.639
And I think that this is much, much, like it's less subtle, um, and

1380
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:16.380
much, much more centred on the politics, whereas we saw when we

1381
01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:20.760
did Children of Mars and then talked about what happens in Picard

1382
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:25.800
series one, where that tragedy, instead of bringing people

1383
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:30.000
together, which it does in Children of Mars, turns the Federation

1384
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:33.360
against its ideals.

1385
01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:35.699
It becomes isolationist.

1386
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.719
It stops caring.

1387
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:40.559
And of course, we've got an earth, like that, in discovery at the

1388
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.900
moment, too, after the burn.

1389
01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:51.059
And so, here, I think, is the most obvious kind of post-trump

1390
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:51.539
politics.

1391
01:02:52.019 --> 01:02:54.360
Yeah, that's what I'm enjoying.

1392
01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:57.000
Remember, we've been talking before about how, you know, incredibly

1393
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.239
subtle Kurtzman Trek can be compared to the cartoon that Voyager

1394
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:00.539
is.

1395
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.119
Well, that 2nd episode of Picard was a massive cartoon.

1396
01:03:03.179 --> 01:03:04.139
It was great.

1397
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:05.519
Bloody marvellous.

1398
01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:06.780
So enjoyable.

1399
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.920
This is it.

1400
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:08.880
This is Star Trek.

1401
01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:09.420
Yes.

1402
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:10.199
Yeah, yeah.

1403
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.739
And Picardo's the dictator. was amazing. wonderful.

1404
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:17.880
Well, that scene, when they went into the, um, and there was all

1405
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.940
the, the skull of gold to cut and Marto and Sarik.

1406
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.360
No, I was like, well, there ain't nothing settle happening here

1407
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:24.960
but...

1408
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.199
And now we know that Ferengi have bones in their ears.

1409
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:29.099
It's cannon.

1410
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:29.639
Yeah.

1411
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.019
Was it Rana Gazek?

1412
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:32.639
I don't know, actually.

1413
01:03:32.699 --> 01:03:33.780
I don't think named him.

1414
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.000
We didn't We should freeze frame it.

1415
01:03:36.179 --> 01:03:37.980
HD version.

1416
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:43.800
All I will say, though, is that a lot of the reservations I had

1417
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.440
with the 1st season of Picard, that it was too nasty, that it did

1418
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:53.159
unpleasant things to really characters that you really quite

1419
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:53.460
liked.

1420
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:57.480
I think they've redressed a lot of that in series 2.

1421
01:03:57.659 --> 01:04:02.460
Except they killed Elanor in this episode. and I'll be back.

1422
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:03.059
Yeah, I hope.

1423
01:04:03.179 --> 01:04:03.659
I'm sorry.

1424
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:04.139
You'll see.

1425
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:05.940
I'll continue, I told you so.

1426
01:04:06.659 --> 01:04:10.260
And I think they looked at that season and said, what did we get

1427
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:10.500
right?

1428
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:11.639
What did we get wrong?

1429
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:14.460
And, you know, as you say.

1430
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:15.719
Series 2, episode one.

1431
01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:18.300
Like, right, well, we'll retool it slightly.

1432
01:04:18.420 --> 01:04:21.900
Yeah. and we'll fly and I think they are flying.

1433
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.400
Yeah, I do too.

1434
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.960
I'm excited to see how this ends, but I think it may end on the

1435
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:33.059
day that this episode that we're now recording is released if I've

1436
01:04:33.059 --> 01:04:34.079
done the maths correctly.

1437
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.260
Well, maybe I'll buck the trend then and catch up.

1438
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:38.519
Do it.

1439
01:04:38.579 --> 01:04:39.059
We'll see.

1440
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.280
Stop being so fucking contrary.

1441
01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:52.260
All right, so it's time for us to choose our next episode and it's

1442
01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:53.099
my turn.

1443
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.800
It's time for you to choose the next episode.

1444
01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:58.320
I'm not invested at all because I don't express the mountain this

1445
01:04:58.320 --> 01:04:58.500
time.

1446
01:04:58.559 --> 01:04:59.820
All set the rules.

1447
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:00.480
Okay.

1448
01:05:00.539 --> 01:05:06.000
Well, I am here on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser

1449
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.199
and I have chosen 2 series to choose from.

1450
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:16.980
And it is because we're having so much fun today watching Star

1451
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:27.360
Trek Picard that I have chosen the 2 other mostly live action Star

1452
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.679
Trek series in the current iteration of Star Trek and that is

1453
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.340
Discovery and Short Trek.

1454
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:36.960
Okay.

1455
01:05:37.019 --> 01:05:38.099
What do you think?

1456
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.079
Yeah, I'm there for it.

1457
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:42.960
I don't think I don't think we've talked half enough about

1458
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.099
discovery that we need to.

1459
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:45.480
Yeah, yeah.

1460
01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:45.900
Okay.

1461
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:46.380
All right.

1462
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:47.820
Let's uh...

1463
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.280
Because the season of discovery is so different.

1464
01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:52.019
Yeah, yeah, quite.

1465
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:54.239
It a different talking point wherever you fall, you know?

1466
01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:58.320
All right, so Star Trek discovery and short treks.

1467
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.739
You know, though, I won't know what any of these episodes are.

1468
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.159
All right.

1469
01:06:05.219 --> 01:06:11.400
So I think this is this is magic to make the sanest man go mad

1470
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.639
series one episode seven.

1471
01:06:14.699 --> 01:06:17.219
It's kind of not what I wanted.

1472
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.880
I was secretly hoping for something from series 2, given that we

1473
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:25.320
have Anson Mountain, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romayne, in that.

1474
01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:27.719
I was hoping it was going to be something from series 4 because

1475
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:28.619
I've not seen any of that.

1476
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:29.820
It's been really good.

1477
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.400
I really, really like season four. they really got it right.

1478
01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:36.659
But I have a big, big sentimental attachment to series one, as

1479
01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:41.340
I've said before, not that many people like it, but I am

1480
01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:42.840
wholeheartedly in favour of it.

1481
01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:46.619
And I think that this is everyone's favourite episode, isn't it?

1482
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.139
It's the Harry Mudd time loop episode.

1483
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.239
Hang on a 2nd though.

1484
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:57.059
Hang on, because we did the best episode potentially of Picard

1485
01:06:57.059 --> 01:06:57.780
series one.

1486
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.079
And now we're doing the best episode potentially of Discovery

1487
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:01.679
Series one.

1488
01:07:01.739 --> 01:07:03.599
Well, we've got to do a shit one eventually.

1489
01:07:03.659 --> 01:07:04.860
We do, yeah.

1490
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:09.539
But, uh, uh, you know, the randomiser, I'm afraid uh, it's by the

1491
01:07:09.539 --> 01:07:10.380
roundabise speaks.

1492
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:11.519
Okay.

1493
01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:14.039
Well, let's go full on Harry Martin.

1494
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:16.440
I think there's some fabulous Tilly in this episode as well.

1495
01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:17.940
It's a really, really good episode.

1496
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.719
I've seen to remember visually this one really stuck out as well.

1497
01:07:21.780 --> 01:07:23.579
Is this the one with the party?

1498
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:24.539
Yeah, yeah.

1499
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.460
And I think the party is amazingly good.

1500
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:27.420
It's great.

1501
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:33.059
And it's got stuff about ash, like ash and and Michael's

1502
01:07:33.059 --> 01:07:33.719
relationship.

1503
01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:36.119
It does interesting things.

1504
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:40.860
Like Paul's character is in a very strange place at that point in

1505
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:41.760
the series as well.

1506
01:07:41.820 --> 01:07:44.099
So I think it's a really good one.

1507
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.139
Okay, wow, let's do it.

1508
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.860
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1509
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:00.059
and Nathan Bottomley.

1510
01:08:00.179 --> 01:08:03.599
You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where

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you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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composed by Cameron Lann.

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This episode was recorded on the 26th of April 2022 and released

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on the 13th of May.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery, magic to make the

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sanest man go mad.