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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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It's another first for us. today on Untitled Star Trek project.

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Why is that?

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Because today, Nathan, we are covering the spectacular triumph of the Star Trek franchise?

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I've always known as Star Trek, the animated series.

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Yeah.

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It's our 6 month anniversary, as the kids say.

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And we thought we'd celebrate by branching out and doing a whole new series.

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Do you realise something?

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Do you realise that we've only got one new place to go now?

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Yeah, we got to do a film.

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Oh no, no way.

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Pre soon we'll have to.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Probably by the time this is out, actually, this episode, we'll have strange new movies.

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Trader looks amazing, doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, it looks incredible.

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Which brings us to the animated series.

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How did you find it?

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Does it also look incredible?

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No.

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In fact, it reminded me a bit of Star Trek, the Next Generation, and how it was directed in air quotes.

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It's a bit sedate and it's an animation, isn't it?

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When you compare it, and obviously lower decks is in the future and animation techniques have progressed a lot.

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However, I think this is, given that it is animation and they can do whatever they want to do.

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This is more stately than the live action Star Trek of the 1960s.

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Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

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I mean, because it's serious, they have to make the people look kind of like people and they sort of manage that, but it means that they've got a very limited range of facial expressions, they all look very similar to one another.

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It is bloody serious, isn't it?

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It wasn't a lot of laughs, you know?

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No, there wasn't a lot of personality coming out in the voices.

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Again, skip forward to lower decks where they are actually giving like, you know, proper vocal performances, aren't they?

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I kind of felt like they dragged the original series in, in fact, I learn in my fabulous fact sheet here that I crypt off YouTube, that Shatner was recording some of his scenes for this.

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Like in breaks in a theatre show he was doing at the theatre. just into a microphone.

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Like in the bath or, you know, like, it's like, you know, so he's phoning it in.

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Yeah, make a martini for me.

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I just got to go do these lines for the elevator series.

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I'll be back.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There isn't really a lot of fun to be had in the performances and the thing is very po-faced and very basic, I think.

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I think I think what um... someone like Rossi Davis learned, Far Ledger, in England, when he was doing the Sarah Jane Adventures for Doctor Who, which is kind of like the child friendly version of Doctor Who, is that if it's funny, it's very likeable.

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It's very approachable and you want to go on that journey.

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This is not funny.

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It's basically all of the original series without the jokes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, the original series is not po-faced like this.

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No, not at all.

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Even the most recent episode that we did.

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Yeah, they did with Kirk, going, get me out of here.

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Come on.

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Like with a charming, funny, clever performance.

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And it wasn't complicated, but this is, I think, much less complicated than it needs to be. it's very basic Well, Dorothy Fontana is quoted as saying that they were told it couldn't be too cerebral.

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And the episodes had to come in at about 20 pages.

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So it had to be short and snappy and simple.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think they succeeded with that, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I don't know.

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All I can imagine is just the kind of crushing disappointment that you would have felt after hearing there was new Star Trek after it's disastrously premature cancellation in 1967.

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And then you're back here in 1973, mere 4 years later thinking, ooh, new Star Trek.

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And right from the moment you hear that music, you know that it's going to be lounge music.

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What the hell is that all about?

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I think that the beginning of it is referenced in the lower decks theme.

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I think the opening tons, as I've been doing research, as is my wont, there's loads of TAS references across Star Trek now, but do you know what's interesting is nobody referenced it until after Gene Rogenbury died.

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And that's because he declared that this wasn't Canon.

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Canon.

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So what, well, yeah, I know how you feel about Kenneth, but Gene Roddenbury is obviously, you know, the great god of the Star Trek universe.

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And if he says that TAS is not Canon, then, you know, there's a huge contingent of Star Trek fans, they can listen to him.

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And so after he died, I think the 1st proper reference to TAS was a unification, which references yesteryear, which is the 2nd TAS episode, which is about Spock and his childhood.

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And then the Star Trek movie with Chris Pine, there's scenes of Spock being bullied by a load of kids, well, those scenes play out in the TAS episode yesterday.

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So that's a direct reference to that, and then you know with Kurtzman, they've got the characters, the BEM character, and Umres, the Catwoman is one of her species is one of the regulars.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And Arax, uh, the, who's an Alosian or something stupid there is an Arax, uh, an Alosian in one of the lower decks episodes.

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And Spock 2.

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We see his skeleton in...

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So they've obviously embraced it and of course they should.

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I mean, canon.

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Absolutely they should.

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Yeah, and if they can take, if they can take elements of this series that could have been a lot of fun, but wasn't, and make them a lot of fun, like that fabulous character that was segmented in that episode of Lower Decks that we watched.

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I mean, that was really fun, wasn't it?

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Her head in her body was all flowing about the place.

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From an episode that is actually really boring.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, yeah.

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There are some fun moments actually to be had with Bam.

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He does do some hilarious things because he can detach bits of his body and that is kind of funny, but it's a pretty crappy episode as well.

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Can I very quickly just tell you how this came to be, the animated series.

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So, well, obviously Star Trek was cancelled because they were churning out episodes like Spock's brain.

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No, actually, I think they were churning out episodes like Spot's Brain because they knew they weren't wanted anymore and nobody was really trying.

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But anyway, it went to the dogs.

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Turn about and True does where we departed TOS.

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And then it was syndicated and then NBC realised they had hot property on their hands and there was a massive market for Star Trek and they had this huge fan base.

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And so there was a cry to make the series again.

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So they genuinely approached Jim Rodney Ritter. going to make the TV show again.

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Like, this is really popular and he's like, well, duh.

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You know?

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It's not the 1st studio to make a bad call, is it?

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But what happened was all the sets had been destroyed and all the props.

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So if that hadn't have happened, they would have made a full season of the original series, but it was just too costly for them to basically start from scratch.

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So some time past, so they were trying to think about all these different ways to create Star Trek again.

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And then the idea for animation came up.

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In the mid 70s, this came out, didn't it?

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like 74, I think.

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I think this episode was screened in 1973 sometime.

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And they went to Filmation, they're called, who were like the big animation company of the time that were making like all the Saturday morning animations that you watched, but notorious and popular for making it on the cheap.

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Yes.

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So, uh, their notoriety came from the fact that they reused footage.

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And you could see that.

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In this episode, I saw that same high angle shot on the bridge about 8 hours again.

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And so, yeah, that's how this came to be.

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Jean Robin Brew said, let's go for it.

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Later on, he kind of disassociated himself from it and DC Fontana basically took creative control of this thing and she considers it to be the 4th season of the original series and he basically said, well, it was a bit of a joke.

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Let's forget that ever existed and we'll go on and do phase two.

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But one thing, are you ready for this?

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One thing that's really interesting is they never contacted Michelle Nichols and Walter Canig to be a part of this and Leonard Nimoy, the more I learn about Leonard Nimoy, the more I love him, refuse to be a part of it unless they were.

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Wow.

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And he said this show was supposed to be about diversity. and inclusion.

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And I will not be a part of this.

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And they knew, they couldn't do this without me. like, you know, Spock's the most popular character.

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And so what happens was Nichols was brought in.

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Chekhov wasn't, and he was replaced by Lieutenant, is it Eric?

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Axe, yeah. and Lieutenant M. Res, but he was brought in to write an episode and he wrote an episode in the 2nd season.

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So he was included as well.

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And just the one other interesting rule, I thought it was quite interesting, in fact, is that there was a writer's strike whilst TOS was TAS was being produced and the prestigious writers of the original series weren't like, there were specific rules.

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They weren't allowed to write for TV if they were being involved in this strike, but they could write animated stuff, which is why they managed to get in like David Gerald, DC Fontana, and all of these, you know, popular writers like to write this kiddie animated show for Star Trek.

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So what's astonishing name really, is it ain't better than it actually is?

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So this is, you said that when you were looking this one up and this is the time trap, that it is in people's kind of top 5 lists.

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Wow.

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So what was David Gerald doing?

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He was sort of dictating, again, from the bath or something like that, because this is not good.

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No, it's not.

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Do you know what?

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I did enjoy it more the 2nd time around, though, because I was less shocked by the quality of the animation, local performances and all that.

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I kind of I kind of betted in my mind that it actually looked and sounded pretty shit.

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Some of those voice performances, honestly.

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Hello, Captain Car.

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Very strange.

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And I just enjoyed like the concept and things like that.

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And I think some of the ideas here have actually got legs and probably could have been a live action episode.

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We'll go into that.

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Maybe that's true.

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But, um, a couple more bits, right?

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will skip into this thing.

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Did you know the 1st holodeck appeared in the animated series.

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Oh, really?

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In the episode called The Practical Joker, and it was known as the Rec Room.

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But essentially it had the same function as the holodeck from the next generation.

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Wow. you go.

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And that was in there. and that had nothing to do with, nothing to do with Gene Roddenbury as well.

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And this is the better fact, though.

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In the, I think it's the Lorelei signal, uh, which there's an episode about a load of evil women, you know, that's how to want to do back then, um, there's a rare moment where a female takes command of a starship, and that's Ahura.

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There's the 1st time that happens.

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Yeah.

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Because it wasn't allowed in the original series that the premise of the final episode turnabout intruder. is that we can't have ladies starship captains.

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But it did happen in the unaired pilot with number one.

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She too.

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But obviously it was an unaired pilot.

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So officially, it's not Canada.

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Never happened.

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And my very my very last fact before we jump in is, and this is quite exciting, is, I mean, it would have been terrible.

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Had the 2nd series, had an entire series.

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The finale of that, which is supposed to see out TAS, was going to be the end of the five-year mission.

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Oh, okay.

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And that might have been quite interesting to see.

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And that's a shame that never happened.

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Oh, well. not that heartbroken.

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Look, we got to get for all of these at some point, all right?

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No, we don't.

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I'll be dead before then All right.

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Okay.

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So I will count us in in that case.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Do you know that this music for the animated series was done by 2 kind of prestigious musicians.

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I think I turned out so bad. bit crappy, isn't it?

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It's terrible.

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I like the bit, so we're going straight into the opening credits.

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We don't get a teaser, we just have the opening credits, and it's trying, it's best to ape, the original, and it's a reasonable job.

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Why would you even, you're an animation.

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You could make this as slick as you want.

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Well, no, you can't.

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I mean, look at there's a bit...

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The way the ship just glides across the screen in a straight line.

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It does actually turn at one point, but obviously that requires them to draw, you know, like different angles of the ship over and over again, and it's actually quite an expensive process.

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And so they manage it once.

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Oh, no, that's one.

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There's one that flew overhead.

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But it looks shitty because there are no computers and they can't.

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I could just like, I could just imagine someone with holding the ship on a stick and just sit going across...

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Well, that's the original.

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That's the original title.

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Okay, see this here we go.

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Stardate 52.2 So they've forgotten how stardates work.

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That's a very small number for a start date. don't know.

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It's normally in the thousands.

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Are we in the year 52 now then?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I have no idea what this is.

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So this is the Bermuda Triangle, which was a bit essential.

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Yeah, isn't it?

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Like the, it was a big deal back then.

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I remember the...

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It's an unknown region of space where ships are going missing.

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It's triangular, though. absolutely a triangle.

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My ears did prick up when I heard the word delta, though, you know, I was like, my God, this isn't the 1st reference of the Delta Quadrant, is it?

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No, it's another universe, isn't it?

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Yeah, or something.

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They call it a pocket universe, which I think is kind of cool, and they have a rather poetic way of referring to it.

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So here instead of Chekhov, we have Arax, who says absolutely fuck all in this episode and barely moves.

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Is he speaking?

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I don't think he ever talks or moves.

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Really?

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But they didn't want to animate it properly.

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So he just sits at the console.

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That's all he ever does.

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Really?

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I thought Jimmy Dewan did his voice or something.

220
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I was convinced that he was a real character.

221
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I'm not sure.

222
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I got it in me to watch through the entire run to find out if I want to.

223
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So he has an arm coming out of his chest in the middle of his chest, so he's got 3 arms.

224
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Massive elongated neck.

225
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Yeah, yeah.

226
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I mean, it's quite, that's one thing they could have done, a lot more of in this, isn't it?

227
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have weird aliens on the bridge and walk in the corridors and things.

228
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Yeah, well, in fact, even lower decks has weirder aliens than current live action, Star Trek.

229
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You know, it's got that bird, who's the counsellor, and it's obviously got Dr. Tana, who is superb.

230
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Well, look at prodigy as well, with fabulous gelatinous murf, you know?

231
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and that floating eyeball and that.

232
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There's a teller I in this episode, actually.

233
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Oh, yeah, I noticed that.

234
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And gone.

235
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Isn't there a go?

236
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There's a corn.

237
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Yeah, yeah.

238
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All gets to that bit.

239
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In fact, George Decay is quoted as saying that he thought the animator was a massive disappointment because they did have the opportunity to visit these, you know, vast alien vistas and things like this.

240
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I said, and we ended up just aping the series.

241
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And what's the point of that?

242
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

243
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And it's cheap as fuck.

244
00:17:12.779 --> 00:17:15.539
I mean it's really shockingly bad, isn't it?

245
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Like, and it was super extreme close-up.

246
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It was actually super expensive to make because of paying the actors.

247
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So even though...

248
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Now look at this.

249
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This is a Klingon, right, on the viewscreen. isn't that cool?

250
00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:37.680
Yeah, but he gets called Kiri in the 1st scene and then his call.

251
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Commander Curry of the Klingon Imperial fleet.

252
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But then after that, oh, no, because it's called the one that's inside just vanished.

253
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

254
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So this is Curry.

255
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Commander Curry, the gay Klingon, who is threatening them now.

256
00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:56.700
And then we get core, is core played by...

257
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He is John Collios.

258
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Yeah.

259
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The same actor.

260
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Yeah, yeah.

261
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And that's one thing. you know what?

262
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I will credit TS for that, definitely, in that when they bring back characters like Harry Mard and things like that.

263
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They get them playing them.

264
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Wow.

265
00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:15.299
So they may not have attention to detail anywhere else, but things that appeared in the original series.

266
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They're all like shit. brilliant.

267
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See, that's a fair shot of the enterprise.

268
00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.039
But that does just feel like a piece of model work from the original series.

269
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No, but you see that they have to draw it from each angle, which is why it looks slightly odd as it turns around.

270
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And they can't quite do it frame like a lot of frames.

271
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It's very kind of juddery, isn't it?

272
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Yeah.

273
00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:41.579
Well, you would do that with a computer now and it was much harder to do in the 70s, I guess.

274
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Even the 80s I think.

275
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Why are they animating all these scenes with these massive close-ups?

276
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Like, it's the most dramatic dialogue ever because, bam, we're suddenly straight in everyone's face.

277
00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:57.299
Well, I think that they, you know, they're just sticking the character against a background.

278
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And look, all the controls are going out of out of whack or something, but they all fucking look like they always do.

279
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It's just a bunch of flashing lights.

280
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I just remember Ahura having such triangular boobs as she had in that scene there. you know, they've not done a lot. look.

281
00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.539
Yeah, they look like Shila Madonna.

282
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They're perky, aren't they?

283
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They're geometric is what they are.

284
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I think the reason why people like this episode is because it's a mystery soul.

285
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It's a bit of a puzzle and it brings in these 2 tenets of the show, the enterprise and the Klingons, and they have to work together and you know the Klingons are going to portray them.

286
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And do you know what I mean?

287
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There's like, it's, it's not complicated, but it's playing about with popular elements of the original series.

288
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Yeah, I think that's true.

289
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Oh my god.

290
00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.720
Wait, can I just say that on that screen there?

291
00:19:51.779 --> 00:20:00.240
Doesn't that, that, see, Sargasso Sea of ships look just like the space cullenders from that end of season, Blake 7 episode?

292
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They're even the same colour.

293
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.960
You know, they design them on that, you know.

294
00:20:05.339 --> 00:20:19.859
I actually think that it reminded me a little bit of Federation headquarters in Discovery Series 3 and 4 where you have all of those utterly weird looking ships where you don't even really know what you're looking at or why they're shaped the way they are.

295
00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.900
I kind of like that.

296
00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.319
Those ships look like a bunch of kitchen appliances.

297
00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:28.799
Well, yeah, no, they look terrible, but unlike Discovery.

298
00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:31.619
But like I kind of appreciate the idea.

299
00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:40.799
I thought, um, I thought one vocal performance actually had a bit of warmth and character to it.

300
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Can you guess who that is?

301
00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:42.660
Jimmy doing.

302
00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:43.019
No.

303
00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:44.579
No, Tulu.

304
00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:45.660
Nope.

305
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:46.440
Oh, okay.

306
00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:47.460
Defores Kelly.

307
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.720
Oh, really?

308
00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.400
Yeah, he's a couple of lions that he had.

309
00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:52.380
He's trying to inject a bit of character in.

310
00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:54.900
Leonard Nemoy literally sounds like a robot in this.

311
00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:56.519
Yeah, no, he can't be asked.

312
00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:01.680
And Shadow is clearly, clearly just rattling off these lines without any kind of warmth at all.

313
00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:11.220
Oh, now he's the original starship that has warp drive, the Bonaventure, which is absolutely, so this isn't Canon.

314
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.920
Excuse me, I never, ever thought I would hear you say those words.

315
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.599
Well, anyway.

316
00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.180
It's contradicted by later episodes, as we know.

317
00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.579
So what occurred here?

318
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.059
What forces them into this strange region of space?

319
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.400
It's a Bermuda triangle.

320
00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:30.359
That's what they do.

321
00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:35.099
They just suck up ships for no reason. didn't realise you were an expert in these things, you know.

322
00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:47.640
But see, the representatives of the council of the Delta, whatever it's called, they're like, well, you know, we came here and we all try to escape, and then we all sort of...

323
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:50.519
Well, then when they get out of this at the end, it's really fucking easy.

324
00:21:50.579 --> 00:21:53.039
And I'm like, well, you could have tried that hard, could you?

325
00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:55.619
You basically just reversed, you know?

326
00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.440
No, but they thought of joining 2 ships together.

327
00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:00.000
No one else had thought of that.

328
00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:03.119
Oh, God, that's true.

329
00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.380
Kirk Spanish.

330
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:04.740
Okay.

331
00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:05.579
Yeah.

332
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:07.740
Dramatic close up on Spock's face.

333
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.500
And Spock, who seems completely unperturbed.

334
00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:11.099
You know what?

335
00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:12.420
Slight movie of the eyebrows.

336
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.640
I don't know why they're doing all these close-up.

337
00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:16.019
They ain't got animate nothing else.

338
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:16.380
Have they?

339
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:17.099
already got the face.

340
00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.799
Yeah, yeah, just put the face up to the camera.

341
00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:20.519
Look, the camera.

342
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.559
Sorry, I'm talking about it. like it's actually being directed.

343
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.380
No, no, it's cheap.

344
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.079
They're not having to put any detail around them.

345
00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:30.900
No, no, they just put a backdrop.

346
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.140
When you watch BEM or BEM.

347
00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.819
Was it the same in that as well?

348
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.980
Pretty much, but they did go outside.

349
00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.220
Like they they went down to a planet and some things happened.

350
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:46.619
Oh, this Orion woman, so we're now in voice.

351
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:50.220
Well, it's not a voice. the rest of the commentary sounded like a...

352
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:51.000
No, no, no, no.

353
00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:56.039
Mira or whatever her name is, the weird one who...

354
00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.079
Look, so there's a cat.

355
00:22:58.200 --> 00:22:59.940
It's not cat with butt is.

356
00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.940
I don't know, but there's an Andorian there.

357
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.559
There's some insect.

358
00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:07.200
Look, this lady has no nose.

359
00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:09.660
She's a lady with no nose.

360
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.180
Why did she have no nose?

361
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.039
Who is that green thing?

362
00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:14.759
I don't know.

363
00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:15.359
I don't know.

364
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.559
There's a Tellrite there.

365
00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:19.920
And then there's another lady...

366
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:20.640
You see that woman there?

367
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:22.980
She's got the same triangular boomers.

368
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.779
They've used the same boobs.

369
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:40.500
So, so, but there's this sort of sere woman who has the stupid vocal performance and then there's this Orion lady who must be freezing to death like she's there at the council in a bikini.

370
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:41.579
It's super upsetting.

371
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.559
They've got fabulous central heating.

372
00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:45.180
Just don't mention it.

373
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.220
No, because she's an Orion, aren't they?

374
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.259
They're always...

375
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.180
Tandy doesn't wear...

376
00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:53.940
Yeah, we're not in the 70s anymore.

377
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.480
That's why.

378
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.500
Emancipated times have hits.

379
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:00.119
Yeah, maybe that's it.

380
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.099
There was a recent...

381
00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:03.180
Oh my god, you were right.

382
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.339
Look how stupid the Tellerrite looks.

383
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.740
They've got it right in prodigy.

384
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.539
Even in discovery they look shit.

385
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:14.279
Okay, let's just step back from how really terrible this looks.

386
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:19.559
Because even like this council, it could have been all on different levels and people flying about and all of that.

387
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:24.299
No, it's just a load of people sitting around the table that we're going to pan across very, very laboriously.

388
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.660
But we have more aliens than we could have afforded.

389
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.500
Yeah.

390
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:33.180
And it's all these different aliens from the original series kind of altogether.

391
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:34.140
That's kind of fun, right?

392
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:34.799
Yeah.

393
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:35.519
Yeah.

394
00:24:35.579 --> 00:24:52.140
In fact, there is something and it did sort of jog a weird memory and maybe I dreamed it or something, but the idea where you have a group of people from different antagonistic races who are kind of thrown together.

395
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:56.220
Maybe it's a little bit like...

396
00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:57.240
There's a next generation one.

397
00:24:57.299 --> 00:25:01.559
Isn't there where Picard is there's a fake Picard put on the Enterprise?

398
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.119
And then he's thrown in.

399
00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:06.240
There's a Nausicon.

400
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.700
And he is a Nausicon, but he looks like a Nausicon.

401
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:16.319
The dreadful twist is, is that the nice looking guy is the evil one and the evil is the guy is the nice one. a bit.

402
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.779
I thought it was a Bolian lady who was the villain.

403
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.940
Anyway, it was all bullshit.

404
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.539
But something like that.

405
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.960
You know, like the idea that these people who are all enemies.

406
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.480
It would have been more effective if there'd been Klingons there.

407
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:32.160
Oh, Margan.

408
00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.720
Here's your stupid film.

409
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:36.660
Nathan, I think if you was going to be in TAS, you would play Morgan, you know?

410
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.960
Yes, I can see them.

411
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:43.319
Oh, God. so bizarre.

412
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:47.940
You've got to wonder this woman's doing this vocal performance into our microphone.

413
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.160
She must be thinking now if my career comes to this, honestly.

414
00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:50.940
Yeah.

415
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:51.720
Yeah.

416
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.400
No, maybe she was a big Star Trek fan.

417
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.079
She was super excited. nice though, you know.

418
00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:57.359
They've got a few more women involved in this, haven't they?

419
00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:59.460
than you'd get in your average TOS episode.

420
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:11.279
That's true I love how this, the chief guy who's a Vulcan is called Sirius with an X. And so I keep, you know, you cannot be Zarius. are you are you serious?

421
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:14.759
You know, like it just seems like it's very stupid.

422
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:17.579
How he's playing the...

423
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.380
Oh, man.

424
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:25.319
Yeah, it's really, really, like, there's no subtlety in the performances, is that?

425
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:26.700
And I don't think they're supposed to be.

426
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.819
This is supposed to be for young kids, isn't it?

427
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.599
Like young, young kids.

428
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:38.400
So can I like make an unfair comparison and compare this to Star Trek Prodigy?

429
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:50.940
Yeah, because, well, Star Trek Prodigy is aimed at children and obviously a lot more money and effort and care is going into it than is going into this.

430
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.440
Obviously.

431
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.539
Well, obviously.

432
00:26:54.599 --> 00:27:02.160
And obviously, you know, the technology is, um, what, you know, 50 years uh, better.

433
00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:12.539
But there is a complexity and just the writing is streets ahead, just streets ahead.

434
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.440
And the expectations.

435
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.660
I don't think there's any characterisation at all, weirdness.

436
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.980
Whereas the characterisation in prodigy is brilliant, you know.

437
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.960
But I mean, the characterisation in original Star Trek is very good.

438
00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:27.299
Yeah, but it's okay.

439
00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:28.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

440
00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:40.259
But it was also what we were talking about last time we did a Star Trek, the Next Generation episode where we talked about people being their jobs, and that is a feature of original Trek.

441
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:49.319
And Trek doesn't do characterisation so much as just have some really good performers in very well-defined roles.

442
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:55.140
I think it does strong characterisation amongst a trio, like the main trio.

443
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.940
That's where all the characterisation is.

444
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:02.099
And then you get peppered bits of characterisation with the rest of them, you know?

445
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:02.519
Yeah.

446
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:02.940
Yeah.

447
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:04.799
Yeah.

448
00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:12.539
So we've decided to join the ships together because we think that's going to work and no one else has had that idea before.

449
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:18.240
I know these are supposed to be, you know, these smart representatives of these various races.

450
00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:21.480
You think they all come with different ideas and be like, well, we'll try this.

451
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:23.400
No, obviously join our ships together.

452
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:31.319
But I think you only have a window as well because the dilithium starts to decay and so there is some line about it.

453
00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:37.440
They can only do it immediately after they arrive because they're fuel disintegrates or something.

454
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:40.740
This moment here wears spots like, oh, you lovely gentleman.

455
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.240
Oh, what a marvellous idea.

456
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:44.220
And they're like, Spock, what's wrong with you?

457
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.440
he's like, I'm so sorry, I was overcome in the moment.

458
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.380
It's such a funny line.

459
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:50.759
It is a really funny line.

460
00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.180
I thought he was hitting on them at...

461
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.980
Well, it reminds me of about that scene between Garrick and Bashir, you know, where his hand goes in his shoulder.

462
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.619
He refers to, he refers to one of them as a young man.

463
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.160
Take this young man down and, you know, showing a good time.

464
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:11.460
Klingon there with his hands on his hips like he's about to go into Panto.

465
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.740
One of those Klingons.

466
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:14.940
It's called Kaz.

467
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.579
And I had a friend called Karen that we all called Kaz.

468
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.799
Yeah, that's all I like, dude.

469
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.519
I think he's Karen or Caroline.

470
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:25.140
I couldn't work out a witch.

471
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:30.420
Like Clearo Commander is just trying to be like the hip manager, isn't it?

472
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.000
That's poor, by the way.

473
00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:38.579
We're finding enjoyment in this where we can.

474
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.140
Yeah, but when cool comes back, right?

475
00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:43.799
And now it's now it's start 85276 point something.

476
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:49.259
So I think the 1st time when it was Stardate 5, 2.2.

477
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:54.539
Yeah, it was just Shatner not giving a shit or like leaving some numbers out.

478
00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:58.380
Yeah, he's just looking around looking around the theatre.

479
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.059
Oh, there's 52 up there.

480
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:01.380
We'll say that.

481
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:12.539
I really wanted to put 52.2 as the stardate for this episode on the website, but no, I've got to, you know, do the right thing.

482
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.779
If it's 5,2,7, 6, 8.

483
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.599
I really care.

484
00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:20.400
Is that a wonderful line?

485
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:24.359
Look at this. all the ships there in the space.

486
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.319
It's awesome.

487
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:33.599
It's so weird because there's no like there's no nuance in the face animation, is there?

488
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:44.039
So like, so like, it's like when you see those Doctor Who animations they're bringing out now and you've got like Patrick Troughton's face looking like it's made out of clay and all this moving is the mouth, you know?

489
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.680
So you lose all the subtleties of the performance.

490
00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:48.480
Now don't get me wrong.

491
00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:51.119
I don't think there's any subtleties in the voice performances either.

492
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:53.039
No, no, they're just not bothering.

493
00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:54.420
They are really phoning it in.

494
00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:03.119
Do you remember like when we were watching the court might maneuver and you were saying about how, like, relaxed and charming Shatner could be, just how it carries himself and things like that?

495
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:05.220
You're not going to get any of that here, are you?

496
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:05.759
You know?

497
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.099
It's a shame.

498
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:09.900
In the doomsday machine.

499
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.759
That superb line reading at the end, which I just absolutely adored.

500
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:20.400
And, you know, there's no scope for that here because there's no facial expressions.

501
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:22.500
No scope for charm.

502
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.019
That's No, that's it, isn't it?

503
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:25.980
Oh yeah.

504
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.339
I mean, maybe there are fun ones.

505
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:36.720
I do know there are kind of weird oddball ones that are a little bit more fantastic and stuff, which is what original Star Trek does.

506
00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:43.380
It's not all just, this is kind of space things, but there must be oddball things that are a bit more fun.

507
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.599
Can I make an unfair comparison as well, as you did as well?

508
00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:50.039
Because do you know what, right?

509
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:51.420
This is incredibly serious.

510
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.339
And uh, stately and a space problem.

511
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:08.339
At times, this reminded me of some of the worst episodes of the next generation. episodes like force of nature, you know, and things like that where they're just standing around talking technobabble in a very serious way.

512
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.819
Yeah, I think they get their inspiration from the animated series, you know?

513
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.619
They could, they could well be.

514
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.200
Instead, they should have been looking at the original series.

515
00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:17.519
Lady Klingon.

516
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.420
That's Carl.

517
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:19.380
Callie, Carly?

518
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:19.980
Carly.

519
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:20.519
Yeah.

520
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.240
Carly.

521
00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:22.740
Carly and Kaz.

522
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:23.940
Yeah, yeah.

523
00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:26.640
Oh, I did like this though.

524
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.900
You know, nefarist bastards planting their bomb on the Enterprise.

525
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.059
Put some clothes on, deer.

526
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:34.980
Honestly, it's a formal occasion.

527
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.299
I just, I'm upset. in touch with her sexuality, Nathan, all right?

528
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:39.779
you think?

529
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.160
She's very, oh, yeah, she does.

530
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:42.480
Look how beautiful body she's got.

531
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:43.380
I'll be showing it off.

532
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:43.859
She does, mate.

533
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.119
That's funny.

534
00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:48.000
Her hair doesn't seem to move at all, but you know.

535
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.000
No, she's using a lot of spray, you know?

536
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.880
It's the 60s.

537
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.220
They put to animating a poplar behind them.

538
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:57.839
Well, they haven't animated it.

539
00:32:57.900 --> 00:32:59.279
They just drew it in the background.

540
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:01.259
It's not doing anything.

541
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:03.420
This is sophisticated culture.

542
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.559
They've got a black.

543
00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:06.480
And also goes with her skin as well.

544
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:07.920
Is that racist?

545
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.720
Shame said that maybe that's racist.

546
00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:10.680
Oh, wow, you know.

547
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.240
You don't want to edit this thing.

548
00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:12.839
Don't worry.

549
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:18.299
Oh yeah, this is you can count on McCoy, right?

550
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.099
He starts to fight.

551
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:21.359
Oh, is this all planned?

552
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:22.619
Are they planning this fight?

553
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.539
No, no, no, no.

554
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.559
They're stupid.

555
00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:29.339
They're fighting over a lady because they're stupid.

556
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:31.019
Because they're Klingons, right?

557
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:37.680
And I can't help but notice how well muscled Kirk and McCoy are in their uniform was in the animated series.

558
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.200
And that wasn't really the case in the original series, was it?

559
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.980
Do you think they got to sign off on the character models?

560
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.259
Can you just beef me up a bit, you know?

561
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

562
00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:48.779
Whereas what you normally have.

563
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.640
What's that teddy bear?

564
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:51.779
Did you say that teddy bear?

565
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.460
Yeah, yeah, it's like a teddy bear.

566
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.740
No, the teddy bear is just the cat with bat wing ears.

567
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:02.579
Is it?

568
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.240
Al is it?

569
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.539
Oh, yeah, it looks very different from above, you know.

570
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.680
But you know what?

571
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.920
We've seen that shop from above about 50 times already.

572
00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:13.920
And they don't have to animate it.

573
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.719
They're all just sitting there completely.

574
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.599
See, look that 2 shot.

575
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:24.179
Again, it's the close-ups on the face so we don't have to, like all we need to do is animate its jaw here.

576
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.739
And yet, do you know what?

577
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:37.679
In the YouTube video I was watching, you know, exciting facts about the animated series, there was some like fun alien vistas I saw, there was some intriguing looking alien creatures.

578
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:43.500
So I think even if they're making it on the cheap, every now and again, they, you know, they let their imaginations fly.

579
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:44.880
Yeah.

580
00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.260
We're just not seeing it in this one.

581
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:47.340
No.

582
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.599
It's very strange how they're standing on the table on that council too.

583
00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:57.179
They're all sat around a table and the Klingons and and Kirk has stood on the table.

584
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.280
This annoys me as well, right?

585
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.639
tedious analogue technology that they've got.

586
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:05.400
This is animated, for God's sakes.

587
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.260
You can have fabulous projections.

588
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:10.260
Look at what they do in prodigy with all the amazing screams about.

589
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.659
But they've never thought of that.

590
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.579
The trouble is they haven't thought of it.

591
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.599
But you could do more than having something ticking down 10 to one, you know?

592
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:21.659
That's better than the show managed, I think.

593
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.139
Doctor Who in the 60s was doing more imaginative technology than this.

594
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.599
Don't tell me there isn't the creativity there to do it.

595
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:34.260
It's just them aping the original series and just doing, oh, let's just copy that and do the same thing.

596
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.460
Yeah, well that's all right.

597
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.039
Oh, God.

598
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.420
Is there any tension here?

599
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.940
Do you think they'll get to the bomb in time?

600
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.639
It's speed, isn't it?

601
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:45.960
When we hit warp 8.

602
00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:46.980
It will explode.

603
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.199
This was the one that I really liked, where you add, no, it run in, a spot running down the corridor.

604
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:58.679
And then the eject button, there's just a handy thing where you can eject things into space.

605
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:00.300
What is that on the original series?

606
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.199
That ejects.

607
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.219
I don't know.

608
00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:04.739
We'll come in very anti, you know.

609
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:14.039
Yeah, if you blow your nose, you just sort of eject the thing into space. trials and tribulations, but now that triple, it'll turn out to be a bomb.

610
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:16.619
That would have been very handy to have had an eject button there, wouldn't it?

611
00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.139
Well, they beam it out, don't they?

612
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.639
Like an explosion.

613
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:26.639
But you know what shocked me more than anything was, you know, like, okay, we've got out of this by doing something not so clever.

614
00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.860
And then kind of just goes.

615
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.340
And that's why we did it, and there's a Starscape, and it's the end.

616
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.719
Yeah, I didn't even understand that.

617
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:39.599
That's what matters. wrap up.

618
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.039
No, nothing.

619
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.920
It wasn't even like, I'll get you next time, Kirk.

620
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:44.820
It just ended.

621
00:36:45.000 --> 00:37:07.380
Like, there is sort of a thing where they have the choice between living in an idyllic society with a sexy Orion slave girl in her pants or going back to their stupid time with Klingons and fighting and stuff and they decide that's better.

622
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.480
And it's super weird.

623
00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:15.480
So they're given a choice between sort of a utopia and the real world.

624
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.739
I honestly don't think we're going into, you know, the subtle depths of characterisation of that choice, you know.

625
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.179
It's just like, basically, you can even choose to stay here or go, well, we're going.

626
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.539
Goodbye.

627
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

628
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:29.699
And that's it.

629
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.340
There's no particular investigation of that choice.

630
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.139
But it is there.

631
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.300
I mean, it is a sort of thing, I guess.

632
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.059
Nathan, obviously something now.

633
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:39.780
Oh, yeah, no.

634
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:41.400
Amazing, how's the best part of the episode?

635
00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:43.860
I'm going to tell you something now. stun you rigid.

636
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.360
You loved it.

637
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:46.920
I didn't think that was very good.

638
00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:48.539
No, it's shit.

639
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.579
We'll have to do another one, though.

640
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.920
I can't wait till the next one rolls around because if that's a good one, I can't wait to see a really bad one.

641
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.079
Well, a really bad one might be fun.

642
00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:01.380
I think that perhaps this is too po faced.

643
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:21.300
And certainly, the people who make lower decks. have clearly derived some enjoyment and there must be a long history that we have somehow avoided of people watching this and making fun of it, which is a thing that we do even with properly good episodes of Star Trek.

644
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.179
So there has to be something.

645
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.159
Kurtzman's made the choice, hasn't he?

646
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:33.840
or whoever is, you know, creatively in control of those series to have the animated series as a part of the Star Trek franchise.

647
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.500
They're not, they're not going down the Roddenberry route of saying this didn't happen.

648
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:46.199
It's all meshed up with all the other Star Trek, but they're, you know, blowing kisses too, Next Generation, DS9 Voyager, Enterprise.

649
00:38:46.260 --> 00:39:04.500
My favourite one is they actually refer to Spock and Kirk in an episode of series one of Lower Decks, and we see a picture of them on a pad and the pictures of them from the animated series.

650
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.019
Like it is just, yeah, yeah.

651
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.059
So like, and of course, because Canon isn't real.

652
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:21.659
I don't want to, you know, like I'm probably going to shock a lot of Star Trek fans because Star Trek Canon is so important in a way that it's not important in Doctor Who.

653
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:28.619
You know, Canon isn't a bright dividing line between things that really happened and things that didn't happen.

654
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.739
Because spoiler alert, none of it happened.

655
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:32.760
It's all made up.

656
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:37.500
But what canon is, is what can you make reference to?

657
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:48.539
And you can make reference to anything in Star Trek that people have memories of or enjoy or there's been decades of making jokes about it?

658
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:57.300
And remember that shitty low effort Star Trek helmet that was the worst piece of Star Trek merchandise ever because it didn't resemble anything?

659
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.039
Like it's from the 60s.

660
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:01.079
It's like a helmet, it's got lights.

661
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:05.280
It's the most disappointing Christmas gift ever imaginable.

662
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:18.059
And Mariner has one stashed in the walls of the Cerritos and so it's now cannon because it's a thing that Star Trek fans have a folk memory of.

663
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:25.320
And so anything that we remember, any jokes that we've been making for decades are all canon.

664
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.539
Well, can I tell you something, right?

665
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.820
as we duck out of this?

666
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:38.159
and I'm not ripping the shit out of this person because people approach programs in different ways for me and that's absolutely fair.

667
00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:41.039
But I was listening to a podcast the other day, a Star Trek one.

668
00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:53.460
And it was about the Voyager episode, Living Witness, you know, the one where the doctor in the future and they've misremembered the Voyager crew has this bunch of villains and and it is a phenomenal.

669
00:40:54.780 --> 00:41:02.639
This intelligent podcaster, was there going, well, I really don't like this episode.

670
00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:06.780
I mean, you know, that's not how the Voyager crew was at all.

671
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.380
And I'm like, that's the fucking point.

672
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.019
That's the point of the episode, we're gone.

673
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.719
And they're literally like their brain cannot understand.

674
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:21.960
Like, this is the whole thing about, you know, like memory alpha and plotting everything in place and that's how it is, you know?

675
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

676
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:29.400
And it just couldn't comprehend how a society could misremember the adventures of Star Trek Voyager.

677
00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:32.639
And I was like, wow, that is that is canon there, right there.

678
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:33.480
Yeah, yeah.

679
00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:33.960
You know?

680
00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:36.719
It's a big problem for Star Trek.

681
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:47.579
And I think that one of the refreshing things about new Star Trek is that it doesn't quite take that same path.

682
00:41:47.579 --> 00:41:57.840
And it remembers Star Trek as a series of stories, a series of TV shows that we can make reference to and riff on and play with, and that's exactly the right approach.

683
00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:10.619
And I agree, and I think that is, I mean, I've said it, I think it's been done quite a lot, but to look back and cherry pick, like the best of the past and play about with those toys in the present.

684
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.519
Well, that's just wonderful.

685
00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:39.360
Okay, it's time for us to choose our next episode, and so Joe is on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser, and you're about to tell us which series we're choosing from, Joe. You know, one of these days, I'm going to shock everybody and I'll be the one to say, okay, we're on on Toto.

686
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:41.699
That's my job.

687
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:42.900
Why break the formula?

688
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:52.019
So I want us to head back into Kersman Trek, because I think it's been about 7 episodes now since we last touched upon it.

689
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:59.699
And I know there's a lot less of it, but I think jumping about all the different time periods of Star Trek keeps this thing fresh.

690
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.619
So let's have a little look and see what we're going to get today.

691
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:11.039
Your Star Trek prodigy episode is Dreamcatcher, season one, episode four.

692
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.679
Yeah, I don't know what that's all about.

693
00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:14.219
Do you?

694
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:18.840
Yeah, so we have done episode three, I think.

695
00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:27.539
So episodes one and 2 are the pilot, and then we did episode three, which was the 1st regular episode.

696
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.980
And so Dreamcatcher is them kind of landing on their 1st alien planet.

697
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:33.659
Oh.

698
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.000
I'm going to press off that show.

699
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.719
Okay, here we go.

700
00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:50.460
Your Star Trek Picard episode is Season 2, Episode 3, Assimilation.

701
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.960
Oh, what do you reckon?

702
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:52.800
That's quite recent.

703
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.079
Well, that's very, very recent, and it gives us a chance to talk about the 2nd season of Picard, doesn't it?

704
00:43:58.139 --> 00:43:58.619
Yeah.

705
00:43:58.679 --> 00:43:59.159
All right.

706
00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.480
I'm up for that.

707
00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:13.739
So I think that's so the 1st episode you have, I know, a very, very strong 1st episode, Guine and Q, kind of, it feels very TNG, but with a big budget and, you know, good actors.

708
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.880
Then the 2nd episode is we're into Nazi parallel world.

709
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:22.139
Seven of Niners as president and all of fabulous.

710
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:22.800
Absolute.

711
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:24.059
That episode was amazing.

712
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.659
And this is the 3rd episode where we're heading into the present.

713
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:28.920
That's right.

714
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:33.900
So we're heading to 2024, which is where the divergence apparently happens.

715
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:41.219
So they're going back in time to prevent the evil future that they've seen already from happening.

716
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.219
And so this is our 1st episode there.

717
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.179
Do you know what?

718
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:51.000
I've got a question then to out this is this is very, very new Star Trek.

719
00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:53.159
Where do we stand on spoilers?

720
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.000
Anything that's been broadcast is fair game, I think.

721
00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:59.159
Yeah, that's what happens in this episode.

722
00:44:59.219 --> 00:44:59.760
I remember.

723
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:02.280
Somebody dies in this episode.

724
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:04.619
Okay, well, maybe.

725
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:06.599
Yeah.

726
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.739
I can see Brandon Braga in the...

727
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:12.960
Watching the reset button.

728
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:13.980
Yeah, please.

729
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:18.119
We brought it back for the finale. none of it ever happened.

730
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.460
Well, it's a Q episode after all.

731
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:32.940
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

732
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:39.239
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

733
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:44.519
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Siseran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

734
00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:50.219
This episode was recorded on the 21st of April 2022 and released on the 6th of May.

735
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.239
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Picard, Assimilation.