WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 21:00:55 1 00:00:21.899 --> 00:00:24.660 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:29.760 It's another first for us. today on Untitled Star Trek project. 3 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:30.539 Why is that? 4 00:00:30.660 --> 00:00:36.240 Because today, Nathan, we are covering the spectacular triumph of 5 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:37.740 the Star Trek franchise? 6 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.619 I've always known as Star Trek, the animated series. 7 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:41.520 Yeah. 8 00:00:41.579 --> 00:00:45.899 It's our 6 month anniversary, as the kids say. 9 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.259 And we thought we'd celebrate by branching out and doing a whole 10 00:00:49.259 --> 00:00:50.159 new series. 11 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:51.899 Do you realise something? 12 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.600 Do you realise that we've only got one new place to go now? 13 00:00:54.659 --> 00:00:56.219 Yeah, we got to do a film. 14 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:57.659 Oh no, no way. 15 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:58.500 Pre soon we'll have to. 16 00:00:58.560 --> 00:00:59.520 Yeah, that's true. 17 00:00:59.579 --> 00:01:00.179 That's true. 18 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.560 Probably by the time this is out, actually, this episode, we'll 19 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:05.700 have strange new movies. 20 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.900 Trader looks amazing, doesn't it? 21 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:08.280 Yeah, yeah, it looks incredible. 22 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:11.640 Which brings us to the animated series. 23 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.519 How did you find it? 24 00:01:14.579 --> 00:01:15.959 Does it also look incredible? 25 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:17.519 No. 26 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.980 In fact, it reminded me a bit of Star Trek, the Next Generation 27 00:01:22.980 --> 00:01:25.799 and how it was directed in air quotes. 28 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:31.200 It's a bit sedate and it's an animation, isn't it? 29 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:33.780 When you compare it, and obviously lower decks is in the future 30 00:01:33.780 --> 00:01:37.500 and animation techniques have progressed a lot. 31 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:42.719 However, I think this is, given that it is animation and they can 32 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.040 do whatever they want to do. 33 00:01:44.099 --> 00:01:48.359 This is more stately than the live action Star Trek of the 1960s. 34 00:01:48.420 --> 00:01:49.980 Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? 35 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:54.299 I mean, because it's serious, they have to make the people look 36 00:01:54.299 --> 00:02:00.540 kind of like people and they sort of manage that, but it means 37 00:02:00.540 --> 00:02:04.920 that they've got a very limited range of facial expressions, they 38 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.780 all look very similar to one another. 39 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:08.819 It is bloody serious, isn't it? 40 00:02:09.060 --> 00:02:11.520 It wasn't a lot of laughs, you know? 41 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:14.699 No, there wasn't a lot of personality coming out in the voices. 42 00:02:14.819 --> 00:02:18.599 Again, skip forward to lower decks where they are actually giving 43 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.800 like, you know, proper vocal performances, aren't they? 44 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:26.219 I kind of felt like they dragged the original series in, in fact, I 45 00:02:26.219 --> 00:02:30.599 learn in my fabulous fact sheet here that I crypt off YouTube, that 46 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.740 Shatner was recording some of his scenes for this. 47 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:41.759 Like in breaks in a theatre show he was doing at the theatre. just 48 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:42.419 into a microphone. 49 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:47.099 Like in the bath or, you know, like, it's like, you know, so he's 50 00:02:47.099 --> 00:02:47.639 phoning it in. 51 00:02:47.699 --> 00:02:49.740 Yeah, make a martini for me. 52 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:51.960 I just got to go do these lines for the elevator series. 53 00:02:52.020 --> 00:02:53.460 I'll be back. 54 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.360 Yeah. 55 00:02:54.419 --> 00:02:54.960 Yeah. 56 00:02:55.020 --> 00:03:00.599 There isn't really a lot of fun to be had in the performances and 57 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.379 the thing is very po-faced and very basic, I think. 58 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:11.159 I think I think what um... someone like Rossi Davis learned, Far 59 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:13.620 Ledger, in England, when he was doing the Sarah Jane Adventures 60 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:16.020 for Doctor Who, which is kind of like the child friendly version 61 00:03:16.020 --> 00:03:20.340 of Doctor Who, is that if it's funny, it's very likeable. 62 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.560 It's very approachable and you want to go on that journey. 63 00:03:22.620 --> 00:03:24.120 This is not funny. 64 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.400 It's basically all of the original series without the jokes. 65 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:30.900 Yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.360 I mean, the original series is not po-faced like this. 67 00:03:33.419 --> 00:03:34.800 No, not at all. 68 00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:37.620 Even the most recent episode that we did. 69 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.259 Yeah, they did with Kirk, going, get me out of here. 70 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:41.039 Come on. 71 00:03:41.099 --> 00:03:45.000 Like with a charming, funny, clever performance. 72 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:52.139 And it wasn't complicated, but this is, I think, much less 73 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:57.599 complicated than it needs to be. it's very basic Well, Dorothy 74 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:02.219 Fontana is quoted as saying that they were told it couldn't be too 75 00:04:02.219 --> 00:04:03.180 cerebral. 76 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.300 And the episodes had to come in at about 20 pages. 77 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.139 So it had to be short and snappy and simple. 78 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:10.919 Yeah. 79 00:04:10.979 --> 00:04:13.500 Well, I think they succeeded with that, you know. 80 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:14.759 Yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:15.900 But I don't know. 82 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:22.500 All I can imagine is just the kind of crushing disappointment that 83 00:04:22.500 --> 00:04:26.160 you would have felt after hearing there was new Star Trek after 84 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:30.360 it's disastrously premature cancellation in 1967. 85 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.279 And then you're back here in 1973, mere 4 years later thinking, ooh 86 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:36.360 new Star Trek. 87 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:40.500 And right from the moment you hear that music, you know that it's 88 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:42.180 going to be lounge music. 89 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.420 What the hell is that all about? 90 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:53.639 I think that the beginning of it is referenced in the lower decks 91 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:54.120 theme. 92 00:04:54.180 --> 00:05:01.500 I think the opening tons, as I've been doing research, as is my 93 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:06.060 wont, there's loads of TAS references across Star Trek now, but do 94 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:10.500 you know what's interesting is nobody referenced it until after 95 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:12.060 Gene Rogenbury died. 96 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.560 And that's because he declared that this wasn't Canon. 97 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:17.879 Canon. 98 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.779 So what, well, yeah, I know how you feel about Kenneth, but Gene 99 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:24.779 Roddenbury is obviously, you know, the great god of the Star Trek 100 00:05:24.779 --> 00:05:25.319 universe. 101 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:28.740 And if he says that TAS is not Canon, then, you know, there's a 102 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:31.079 huge contingent of Star Trek fans, they can listen to him. 103 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.120 And so after he died, I think the 1st proper reference to TAS was 104 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:41.819 a unification, which references yesteryear, which is the 2nd TAS 105 00:05:41.819 --> 00:05:44.519 episode, which is about Spock and his childhood. 106 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:52.259 And then the Star Trek movie with Chris Pine, there's scenes of 107 00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:55.920 Spock being bullied by a load of kids, well, those scenes play out 108 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.720 in the TAS episode yesterday. 109 00:05:57.779 --> 00:06:01.019 So that's a direct reference to that, and then you know with 110 00:06:01.019 --> 00:06:06.839 Kurtzman, they've got the characters, the BEM character, and Umres 111 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.860 the Catwoman is one of her species is one of the regulars. 112 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:11.879 Yeah, yeah. 113 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:16.139 And Arax, uh, the, who's an Alosian or something stupid there is 114 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:20.939 an Arax, uh, an Alosian in one of the lower decks episodes. 115 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:22.019 And Spock 2. 116 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:26.459 We see his skeleton in... 117 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:31.019 So they've obviously embraced it and of course they should. 118 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:32.040 I mean, canon. 119 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:33.120 Absolutely they should. 120 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:36.060 Yeah, and if they can take, if they can take elements of this 121 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:39.959 series that could have been a lot of fun, but wasn't, and make 122 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.379 them a lot of fun, like that fabulous character that was segmented 123 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:45.180 in that episode of Lower Decks that we watched. 124 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.220 I mean, that was really fun, wasn't it? 125 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.439 Her head in her body was all flowing about the place. 126 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.000 From an episode that is actually really boring. 127 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:54.480 Oh, really? 128 00:06:54.540 --> 00:06:55.139 Yeah, yeah. 129 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.079 There are some fun moments actually to be had with Bam. 130 00:06:58.139 --> 00:07:03.240 He does do some hilarious things because he can detach bits of his 131 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:07.079 body and that is kind of funny, but it's a pretty crappy episode 132 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:07.560 as well. 133 00:07:07.620 --> 00:07:11.100 Can I very quickly just tell you how this came to be, the animated 134 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:11.459 series. 135 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:16.439 So, well, obviously Star Trek was cancelled because they were 136 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.420 churning out episodes like Spock's brain. 137 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.540 No, actually, I think they were churning out episodes like Spot's 138 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:24.060 Brain because they knew they weren't wanted anymore and nobody was 139 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:24.600 really trying. 140 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:27.060 But anyway, it went to the dogs. 141 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.660 Turn about and True does where we departed TOS. 142 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.980 And then it was syndicated and then NBC realised they had hot 143 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:39.360 property on their hands and there was a massive market for Star 144 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.819 Trek and they had this huge fan base. 145 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.879 And so there was a cry to make the series again. 146 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:47.699 So they genuinely approached Jim Rodney Ritter. going to make the 147 00:07:47.699 --> 00:07:48.420 TV show again. 148 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.079 Like, this is really popular and he's like, well, duh. 149 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:52.620 You know? 150 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:56.639 It's not the 1st studio to make a bad call, is it? 151 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:02.279 But what happened was all the sets had been destroyed and all the 152 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:02.819 props. 153 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:06.660 So if that hadn't have happened, they would have made a full 154 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:10.920 season of the original series, but it was just too costly for them 155 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:12.360 to basically start from scratch. 156 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:16.199 So some time past, so they were trying to think about all these 157 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.079 different ways to create Star Trek again. 158 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.540 And then the idea for animation came up. 159 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:23.399 In the mid 70s, this came out, didn't it? 160 00:08:23.459 --> 00:08:24.420 like 74, I think. 161 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.420 I think this episode was screened in 1973 sometime. 162 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:33.360 And they went to Filmation, they're called, who were like the big 163 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.179 animation company of the time that were making like all the 164 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:42.299 Saturday morning animations that you watched, but notorious and 165 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:44.399 popular for making it on the cheap. 166 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:45.419 Yes. 167 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:51.299 So, uh, their notoriety came from the fact that they reused 168 00:08:51.299 --> 00:08:52.320 footage. 169 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.580 And you could see that. 170 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:56.100 In this episode, I saw that same high angle shot on the bridge 171 00:08:56.100 --> 00:08:59.460 about 8 hours again. 172 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.340 And so, yeah, that's how this came to be. 173 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:03.779 Jean Robin Brew said, let's go for it. 174 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.179 Later on, he kind of disassociated himself from it and DC Fontana 175 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:13.080 basically took creative control of this thing and she considers it 176 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.980 to be the 4th season of the original series and he basically said 177 00:09:16.980 --> 00:09:17.940 well, it was a bit of a joke. 178 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.120 Let's forget that ever existed and we'll go on and do phase two. 179 00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:23.399 But one thing, are you ready for this? 180 00:09:23.460 --> 00:09:26.460 One thing that's really interesting is they never contacted 181 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:32.759 Michelle Nichols and Walter Canig to be a part of this and Leonard 182 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.419 Nimoy, the more I learn about Leonard Nimoy, the more I love him 183 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:39.899 refuse to be a part of it unless they were. 184 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:40.200 Wow. 185 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:44.100 And he said this show was supposed to be about diversity. and 186 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:44.639 inclusion. 187 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:47.220 And I will not be a part of this. 188 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:50.639 And they knew, they couldn't do this without me. like, you know 189 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:51.960 Spock's the most popular character. 190 00:09:52.019 --> 00:09:55.259 And so what happens was Nichols was brought in. 191 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:59.700 Chekhov wasn't, and he was replaced by Lieutenant, is it Eric? 192 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:04.860 Axe, yeah. and Lieutenant M. Res, but he was brought in to write 193 00:10:04.860 --> 00:10:07.799 an episode and he wrote an episode in the 2nd season. 194 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:09.539 So he was included as well. 195 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.559 And just the one other interesting rule, I thought it was quite 196 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.059 interesting, in fact, is that there was a writer's strike whilst 197 00:10:18.059 --> 00:10:24.840 TOS was TAS was being produced and the prestigious writers of the 198 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.960 original series weren't like, there were specific rules. 199 00:10:28.019 --> 00:10:30.419 They weren't allowed to write for TV if they were being involved 200 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:36.120 in this strike, but they could write animated stuff, which is why 201 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:40.620 they managed to get in like David Gerald, DC Fontana, and all of 202 00:10:40.620 --> 00:10:44.159 these, you know, popular writers like to write this kiddie 203 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:45.840 animated show for Star Trek. 204 00:10:45.899 --> 00:10:48.779 So what's astonishing name really, is it ain't better than it 205 00:10:48.779 --> 00:10:49.379 actually is? 206 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:54.600 So this is, you said that when you were looking this one up and 207 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:59.340 this is the time trap, that it is in people's kind of top 5 208 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:00.539 lists. 209 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.360 Wow. 210 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:05.879 So what was David Gerald doing? 211 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:09.240 He was sort of dictating, again, from the bath or something like 212 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.279 that, because this is not good. 213 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:13.200 No, it's not. 214 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:13.740 Do you know what? 215 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:15.899 I did enjoy it more the 2nd time around, though, because I was 216 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:19.500 less shocked by the quality of the animation, local performances 217 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:20.519 and all that. 218 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:23.100 I kind of I kind of betted in my mind that it actually looked and 219 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:24.059 sounded pretty shit. 220 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.039 Some of those voice performances, honestly. 221 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:28.200 Hello, Captain Car. 222 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:29.820 Very strange. 223 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:33.899 And I just enjoyed like the concept and things like that. 224 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.860 And I think some of the ideas here have actually got legs and 225 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:40.740 probably could have been a live action episode. 226 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.240 We'll go into that. 227 00:11:42.299 --> 00:11:43.620 Maybe that's true. 228 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.960 But, um, a couple more bits, right? 229 00:11:46.019 --> 00:11:47.759 will skip into this thing. 230 00:11:47.820 --> 00:11:51.720 Did you know the 1st holodeck appeared in the animated series. 231 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:52.679 Oh, really? 232 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:56.820 In the episode called The Practical Joker, and it was known as the 233 00:11:56.820 --> 00:11:57.659 Rec Room. 234 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.960 But essentially it had the same function as the holodeck from the 235 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:01.559 next generation. 236 00:12:01.620 --> 00:12:03.179 Wow. you go. 237 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.159 And that was in there. and that had nothing to do with, nothing to 238 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:06.480 do with Gene Roddenbury as well. 239 00:12:06.539 --> 00:12:09.120 And this is the better fact, though. 240 00:12:09.179 --> 00:12:12.960 In the, I think it's the Lorelei signal, uh, which there's an 241 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.379 episode about a load of evil women, you know, that's how to want 242 00:12:16.379 --> 00:12:21.419 to do back then, um, there's a rare moment where a female takes 243 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:24.000 command of a starship, and that's Ahura. 244 00:12:24.059 --> 00:12:25.679 There's the 1st time that happens. 245 00:12:25.740 --> 00:12:26.159 Yeah. 246 00:12:26.220 --> 00:12:30.600 Because it wasn't allowed in the original series that the premise 247 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:35.820 of the final episode turnabout intruder. is that we can't have 248 00:12:35.820 --> 00:12:37.200 ladies starship captains. 249 00:12:37.259 --> 00:12:41.759 But it did happen in the unaired pilot with number one. 250 00:12:41.820 --> 00:12:42.960 She too. 251 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:44.940 But obviously it was an unaired pilot. 252 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.799 So officially, it's not Canada. 253 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:47.340 Never happened. 254 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:52.259 And my very my very last fact before we jump in is, and this is 255 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:54.720 quite exciting, is, I mean, it would have been terrible. 256 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.440 Had the 2nd series, had an entire series. 257 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:02.879 The finale of that, which is supposed to see out TAS, was going to 258 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.919 be the end of the five-year mission. 259 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:05.820 Oh, okay. 260 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.460 And that might have been quite interesting to see. 261 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:09.840 And that's a shame that never happened. 262 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:14.639 Oh, well. not that heartbroken. 263 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:19.860 Look, we got to get for all of these at some point, all right? 264 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.940 No, we don't. 265 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.799 I'll be dead before then All right. 266 00:13:22.980 --> 00:13:24.480 Okay. 267 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:27.840 So I will count us in in that case. 268 00:13:27.899 --> 00:13:29.580 Okay, let's do it. 269 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:37.980 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 270 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:44.519 Do you know that this music for the animated series was done by 2 271 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.500 kind of prestigious musicians. 272 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:50.279 I think I turned out so bad. bit crappy, isn't it? 273 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:51.240 It's terrible. 274 00:13:51.299 --> 00:13:55.200 I like the bit, so we're going straight into the opening credits. 275 00:13:55.259 --> 00:13:58.200 We don't get a teaser, we just have the opening credits, and it's 276 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.879 trying, it's best to ape, the original, and it's a reasonable 277 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:03.120 job. 278 00:14:03.179 --> 00:14:05.399 Why would you even, you're an animation. 279 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:06.779 You could make this as slick as you want. 280 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:08.039 Well, no, you can't. 281 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:10.740 I mean, look at there's a bit... 282 00:14:10.740 --> 00:14:15.299 The way the ship just glides across the screen in a straight 283 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:15.659 line. 284 00:14:15.659 --> 00:14:19.500 It does actually turn at one point, but obviously that requires 285 00:14:19.500 --> 00:14:24.539 them to draw, you know, like different angles of the ship over and 286 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:27.299 over again, and it's actually quite an expensive process. 287 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:30.059 And so they manage it once. 288 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.740 Oh, no, that's one. 289 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:33.179 There's one that flew overhead. 290 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.480 But it looks shitty because there are no computers and they 291 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:37.200 can't. 292 00:14:37.259 --> 00:14:39.840 I could just like, I could just imagine someone with holding the 293 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.720 ship on a stick and just sit going across... 294 00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:45.179 Well, that's the original. 295 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:46.740 That's the original title. 296 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.320 Okay, see this here we go. 297 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:53.100 Stardate 52.2 So they've forgotten how stardates work. 298 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:56.460 That's a very small number for a start date. don't know. 299 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:57.659 It's normally in the thousands. 300 00:14:57.779 --> 00:14:59.940 Are we in the year 52 now then? 301 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 302 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:04.440 And I have no idea what this is. 303 00:15:04.500 --> 00:15:09.000 So this is the Bermuda Triangle, which was a bit essential. 304 00:15:09.059 --> 00:15:10.019 Yeah, isn't it? 305 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.000 Like the, it was a big deal back then. 306 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:13.139 I remember the... 307 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.659 It's an unknown region of space where ships are going missing. 308 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.899 It's triangular, though. absolutely a triangle. 309 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:23.820 My ears did prick up when I heard the word delta, though, you know 310 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:27.000 I was like, my God, this isn't the 1st reference of the Delta 311 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:27.779 Quadrant, is it? 312 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.720 No, it's another universe, isn't it? 313 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:32.399 Yeah, or something. 314 00:15:32.460 --> 00:15:35.039 They call it a pocket universe, which I think is kind of cool, and 315 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.039 they have a rather poetic way of referring to it. 316 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:44.759 So here instead of Chekhov, we have Arax, who says absolutely fuck 317 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.399 all in this episode and barely moves. 318 00:15:47.460 --> 00:15:48.899 Is he speaking? 319 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:50.759 I don't think he ever talks or moves. 320 00:15:50.820 --> 00:15:51.659 Really? 321 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:53.759 But they didn't want to animate it properly. 322 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:54.840 So he just sits at the console. 323 00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:55.740 That's all he ever does. 324 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:56.399 Really? 325 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.879 I thought Jimmy Dewan did his voice or something. 326 00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:02.340 I was convinced that he was a real character. 327 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:03.899 I'm not sure. 328 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.960 I got it in me to watch through the entire run to find out if I 329 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:07.740 want to. 330 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.639 So he has an arm coming out of his chest in the middle of his 331 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:13.019 chest, so he's got 3 arms. 332 00:16:13.019 --> 00:16:15.779 Massive elongated neck. 333 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:16.500 Yeah, yeah. 334 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.620 I mean, it's quite, that's one thing they could have done, a lot 335 00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:20.700 more of in this, isn't it? 336 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.120 have weird aliens on the bridge and walk in the corridors and 337 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:24.299 things. 338 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:28.620 Yeah, well, in fact, even lower decks has weirder aliens than 339 00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:31.019 current live action, Star Trek. 340 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.779 You know, it's got that bird, who's the counsellor, and it's 341 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:36.120 obviously got Dr. Tana, who is superb. 342 00:16:36.179 --> 00:16:40.980 Well, look at prodigy as well, with fabulous gelatinous murf, you 343 00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:41.159 know? 344 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:43.259 and that floating eyeball and that. 345 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.860 There's a teller I in this episode, actually. 346 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.200 Oh, yeah, I noticed that. 347 00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:50.220 And gone. 348 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:51.059 Isn't there a go? 349 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:51.720 There's a corn. 350 00:16:51.779 --> 00:16:52.559 Yeah, yeah. 351 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:53.820 All gets to that bit. 352 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:58.799 In fact, George Decay is quoted as saying that he thought the 353 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.399 animator was a massive disappointment because they did have the 354 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.759 opportunity to visit these, you know, vast alien vistas and things 355 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:06.059 like this. 356 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:08.160 I said, and we ended up just aping the series. 357 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:09.720 And what's the point of that? 358 00:17:09.779 --> 00:17:11.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 359 00:17:11.339 --> 00:17:12.720 And it's cheap as fuck. 360 00:17:12.779 --> 00:17:15.539 I mean it's really shockingly bad, isn't it? 361 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.720 Like, and it was super extreme close-up. 362 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:25.079 It was actually super expensive to make because of paying the 363 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:25.559 actors. 364 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:27.720 So even though... 365 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:28.619 Now look at this. 366 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.400 This is a Klingon, right, on the viewscreen. isn't that cool? 367 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:37.680 Yeah, but he gets called Kiri in the 1st scene and then his call. 368 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:40.740 Commander Curry of the Klingon Imperial fleet. 369 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:45.059 But then after that, oh, no, because it's called the one that's 370 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:47.160 inside just vanished. 371 00:17:47.220 --> 00:17:48.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 372 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:49.140 So this is Curry. 373 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:53.279 Commander Curry, the gay Klingon, who is threatening them now. 374 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:56.700 And then we get core, is core played by... 375 00:17:56.700 --> 00:17:58.380 He is John Collios. 376 00:17:58.440 --> 00:17:58.619 Yeah. 377 00:17:58.680 --> 00:17:59.819 The same actor. 378 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:00.420 Yeah, yeah. 379 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:01.920 And that's one thing. you know what? 380 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:04.619 I will credit TS for that, definitely, in that when they bring 381 00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:06.779 back characters like Harry Mard and things like that. 382 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.579 They get them playing them. 383 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:08.940 Wow. 384 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:13.799 So they may not have attention to detail anywhere else, but things 385 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.299 that appeared in the original series. 386 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.460 They're all like shit. brilliant. 387 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.339 See, that's a fair shot of the enterprise. 388 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.380 But that does just feel like a piece of model work from the 389 00:18:22.380 --> 00:18:23.039 original series. 390 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.339 No, but you see that they have to draw it from each angle, which 391 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:28.319 is why it looks slightly odd as it turns around. 392 00:18:28.380 --> 00:18:32.700 And they can't quite do it frame like a lot of frames. 393 00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:34.380 It's very kind of juddery, isn't it? 394 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:34.920 Yeah. 395 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:39.779 Well, you would do that with a computer now and it was much harder 396 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:41.579 to do in the 70s, I guess. 397 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:42.839 Even the 80s I think. 398 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.799 Why are they animating all these scenes with these massive close 399 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:46.799 ups? 400 00:18:46.859 --> 00:18:50.400 Like, it's the most dramatic dialogue ever because, bam, we're 401 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.359 suddenly straight in everyone's face. 402 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:55.920 Well, I think that they, you know, they're just sticking the 403 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.299 character against a background. 404 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.779 And look, all the controls are going out of out of whack or 405 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:03.299 something, but they all fucking look like they always do. 406 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.400 It's just a bunch of flashing lights. 407 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:10.319 I just remember Ahura having such triangular boobs as she had in 408 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.779 that scene there. you know, they've not done a lot. look. 409 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.539 Yeah, they look like Shila Madonna. 410 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:16.740 They're perky, aren't they? 411 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.519 They're geometric is what they are. 412 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.539 I think the reason why people like this episode is because it's a 413 00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:28.380 mystery soul. 414 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.339 It's a bit of a puzzle and it brings in these 2 tenets of the show 415 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:35.880 the enterprise and the Klingons, and they have to work together 416 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.119 and you know the Klingons are going to portray them. 417 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:40.140 And do you know what I mean? 418 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.339 There's like, it's, it's not complicated, but it's playing about 419 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:46.200 with popular elements of the original series. 420 00:19:46.259 --> 00:19:48.119 Yeah, I think that's true. 421 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:49.500 Oh my god. 422 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.720 Wait, can I just say that on that screen there? 423 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:56.940 Doesn't that, that, see, Sargasso Sea of ships look just like the 424 00:19:56.940 --> 00:20:00.240 space cullenders from that end of season, Blake 7 episode? 425 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:01.619 They're even the same colour. 426 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.960 You know, they design them on that, you know. 427 00:20:05.339 --> 00:20:08.759 I actually think that it reminded me a little bit of Federation 428 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.779 headquarters in Discovery Series 3 and 4 where you have all of 429 00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:16.440 those utterly weird looking ships where you don't even really know 430 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.859 what you're looking at or why they're shaped the way they are. 431 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.900 I kind of like that. 432 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.319 Those ships look like a bunch of kitchen appliances. 433 00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:28.799 Well, yeah, no, they look terrible, but unlike Discovery. 434 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:31.619 But like I kind of appreciate the idea. 435 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:39.480 I thought, um, I thought one vocal performance actually had a bit 436 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:40.799 of warmth and character to it. 437 00:20:40.859 --> 00:20:41.880 Can you guess who that is? 438 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:42.660 Jimmy doing. 439 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:43.019 No. 440 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:44.579 No, Tulu. 441 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:45.660 Nope. 442 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:46.440 Oh, okay. 443 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:47.460 Defores Kelly. 444 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.720 Oh, really? 445 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.400 Yeah, he's a couple of lions that he had. 446 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:52.380 He's trying to inject a bit of character in. 447 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:54.900 Leonard Nemoy literally sounds like a robot in this. 448 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:56.519 Yeah, no, he can't be asked. 449 00:20:56.579 --> 00:20:59.700 And Shadow is clearly, clearly just rattling off these lines 450 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:01.680 without any kind of warmth at all. 451 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:07.259 Oh, now he's the original starship that has warp drive, the 452 00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:11.220 Bonaventure, which is absolutely, so this isn't Canon. 453 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.680 Excuse me, I never, ever thought I would hear you say those 454 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:16.920 words. 455 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.599 Well, anyway. 456 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.180 It's contradicted by later episodes, as we know. 457 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.579 So what occurred here? 458 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.059 What forces them into this strange region of space? 459 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.400 It's a Bermuda triangle. 460 00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:30.359 That's what they do. 461 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.839 They just suck up ships for no reason. didn't realise you were an 462 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:35.099 expert in these things, you know. 463 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:41.339 But see, the representatives of the council of the Delta, whatever 464 00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:44.579 it's called, they're like, well, you know, we came here and we all 465 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:47.640 try to escape, and then we all sort of... 466 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.920 Well, then when they get out of this at the end, it's really 467 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.519 fucking easy. 468 00:21:50.579 --> 00:21:53.039 And I'm like, well, you could have tried that hard, could you? 469 00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:55.619 You basically just reversed, you know? 470 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.440 No, but they thought of joining 2 ships together. 471 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:00.000 No one else had thought of that. 472 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:03.119 Oh, God, that's true. 473 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.380 Kirk Spanish. 474 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:04.740 Okay. 475 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:05.579 Yeah. 476 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:07.740 Dramatic close up on Spock's face. 477 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.500 And Spock, who seems completely unperturbed. 478 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:11.099 You know what? 479 00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:12.420 Slight movie of the eyebrows. 480 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.640 I don't know why they're doing all these close-up. 481 00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:16.019 They ain't got animate nothing else. 482 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:16.380 Have they? 483 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:17.099 already got the face. 484 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.799 Yeah, yeah, just put the face up to the camera. 485 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:20.519 Look, the camera. 486 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.559 Sorry, I'm talking about it. like it's actually being directed. 487 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.380 No, no, it's cheap. 488 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.079 They're not having to put any detail around them. 489 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:30.900 No, no, they just put a backdrop. 490 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.140 When you watch BEM or BEM. 491 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.819 Was it the same in that as well? 492 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.980 Pretty much, but they did go outside. 493 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.220 Like they they went down to a planet and some things happened. 494 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:46.619 Oh, this Orion woman, so we're now in voice. 495 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:49.619 Well, it's not a voice. the rest of the commentary sounded like 496 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:50.220 a... 497 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:51.000 No, no, no, no. 498 00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:56.039 Mira or whatever her name is, the weird one who... 499 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.079 Look, so there's a cat. 500 00:22:58.200 --> 00:22:59.940 It's not cat with butt is. 501 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.940 I don't know, but there's an Andorian there. 502 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.559 There's some insect. 503 00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:07.200 Look, this lady has no nose. 504 00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:09.660 She's a lady with no nose. 505 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.180 Why did she have no nose? 506 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.039 Who is that green thing? 507 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:14.759 I don't know. 508 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:15.359 I don't know. 509 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.559 There's a Tellrite there. 510 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:19.920 And then there's another lady... 511 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:20.640 You see that woman there? 512 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:22.980 She's got the same triangular boomers. 513 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.779 They've used the same boobs. 514 00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:31.200 So, so, but there's this sort of sere woman who has the stupid 515 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:35.579 vocal performance and then there's this Orion lady who must be 516 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:40.500 freezing to death like she's there at the council in a bikini. 517 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:41.579 It's super upsetting. 518 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.559 They've got fabulous central heating. 519 00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:45.180 Just don't mention it. 520 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.220 No, because she's an Orion, aren't they? 521 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.259 They're always... 522 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.180 Tandy doesn't wear... 523 00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:53.940 Yeah, we're not in the 70s anymore. 524 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.480 That's why. 525 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.500 Emancipated times have hits. 526 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:00.119 Yeah, maybe that's it. 527 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.099 There was a recent... 528 00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:03.180 Oh my god, you were right. 529 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.339 Look how stupid the Tellerrite looks. 530 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.740 They've got it right in prodigy. 531 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.539 Even in discovery they look shit. 532 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:14.279 Okay, let's just step back from how really terrible this looks. 533 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:17.460 Because even like this council, it could have been all on 534 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:19.559 different levels and people flying about and all of that. 535 00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:22.079 No, it's just a load of people sitting around the table that we're 536 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.299 going to pan across very, very laboriously. 537 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.660 But we have more aliens than we could have afforded. 538 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.500 Yeah. 539 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:32.460 And it's all these different aliens from the original series kind 540 00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:33.180 of altogether. 541 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:34.140 That's kind of fun, right? 542 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:34.799 Yeah. 543 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:35.519 Yeah. 544 00:24:35.579 --> 00:24:40.079 In fact, there is something and it did sort of jog a weird memory 545 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:45.359 and maybe I dreamed it or something, but the idea where you have a 546 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:50.940 group of people from different antagonistic races who are kind of 547 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:52.140 thrown together. 548 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:56.220 Maybe it's a little bit like... 549 00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:57.240 There's a next generation one. 550 00:24:57.299 --> 00:25:00.779 Isn't there where Picard is there's a fake Picard put on the 551 00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:01.559 Enterprise? 552 00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.119 And then he's thrown in. 553 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:06.240 There's a Nausicon. 554 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.700 And he is a Nausicon, but he looks like a Nausicon. 555 00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:12.059 The dreadful twist is, is that the nice looking guy is the evil 556 00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:16.319 one and the evil is the guy is the nice one. a bit. 557 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.779 I thought it was a Bolian lady who was the villain. 558 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.940 Anyway, it was all bullshit. 559 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.539 But something like that. 560 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.960 You know, like the idea that these people who are all enemies. 561 00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.480 It would have been more effective if there'd been Klingons there. 562 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:32.160 Oh, Margan. 563 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.720 Here's your stupid film. 564 00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:35.819 Nathan, I think if you was going to be in TAS, you would play 565 00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:36.660 Morgan, you know? 566 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.960 Yes, I can see them. 567 00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:43.319 Oh, God. so bizarre. 568 00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:47.039 You've got to wonder this woman's doing this vocal performance 569 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:47.940 into our microphone. 570 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.160 She must be thinking now if my career comes to this, honestly. 571 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:50.940 Yeah. 572 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:51.720 Yeah. 573 00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.400 No, maybe she was a big Star Trek fan. 574 00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.079 She was super excited. nice though, you know. 575 00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:57.359 They've got a few more women involved in this, haven't they? 576 00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:59.460 than you'd get in your average TOS episode. 577 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.599 That's true I love how this, the chief guy who's a Vulcan is 578 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.160 called Sirius with an X. And so I keep, you know, you cannot be 579 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.279 Zarius. are you are you serious? 580 00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:14.759 You know, like it just seems like it's very stupid. 581 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:17.579 How he's playing the... 582 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.380 Oh, man. 583 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:24.240 Yeah, it's really, really, like, there's no subtlety in the 584 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.319 performances, is that? 585 00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:26.700 And I don't think they're supposed to be. 586 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.819 This is supposed to be for young kids, isn't it? 587 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.599 Like young, young kids. 588 00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:37.680 So can I like make an unfair comparison and compare this to Star 589 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:38.400 Trek Prodigy? 590 00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:44.700 Yeah, because, well, Star Trek Prodigy is aimed at children and 591 00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:48.480 obviously a lot more money and effort and care is going into it 592 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.940 than is going into this. 593 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.440 Obviously. 594 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.539 Well, obviously. 595 00:26:54.599 --> 00:27:00.539 And obviously, you know, the technology is, um, what, you know, 50 596 00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:02.160 years uh, better. 597 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:10.859 But there is a complexity and just the writing is streets ahead 598 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:12.539 just streets ahead. 599 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.440 And the expectations. 600 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.660 I don't think there's any characterisation at all, weirdness. 601 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.980 Whereas the characterisation in prodigy is brilliant, you know. 602 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.779 But I mean, the characterisation in original Star Trek is very 603 00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:24.960 good. 604 00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:27.299 Yeah, but it's okay. 605 00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:28.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 606 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:31.019 But it was also what we were talking about last time we did a Star 607 00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:34.200 Trek, the Next Generation episode where we talked about people 608 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:40.259 being their jobs, and that is a feature of original Trek. 609 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:46.319 And Trek doesn't do characterisation so much as just have some 610 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.319 really good performers in very well-defined roles. 611 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:54.480 I think it does strong characterisation amongst a trio, like the 612 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.140 main trio. 613 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.940 That's where all the characterisation is. 614 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:01.200 And then you get peppered bits of characterisation with the rest 615 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:02.099 of them, you know? 616 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:02.519 Yeah. 617 00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:02.940 Yeah. 618 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:04.799 Yeah. 619 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:08.759 So we've decided to join the ships together because we think 620 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.539 that's going to work and no one else has had that idea before. 621 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.720 I know these are supposed to be, you know, these smart 622 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.240 representatives of these various races. 623 00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:20.940 You think they all come with different ideas and be like, well 624 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:21.480 we'll try this. 625 00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:23.400 No, obviously join our ships together. 626 00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:26.579 But I think you only have a window as well because the dilithium 627 00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:31.319 starts to decay and so there is some line about it. 628 00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:34.799 They can only do it immediately after they arrive because they're 629 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.440 fuel disintegrates or something. 630 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:40.740 This moment here wears spots like, oh, you lovely gentleman. 631 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.240 Oh, what a marvellous idea. 632 00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:44.220 And they're like, Spock, what's wrong with you? 633 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.440 he's like, I'm so sorry, I was overcome in the moment. 634 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.380 It's such a funny line. 635 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:50.759 It is a really funny line. 636 00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.180 I thought he was hitting on them at... 637 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.359 Well, it reminds me of about that scene between Garrick and Bashir 638 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.980 you know, where his hand goes in his shoulder. 639 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.619 He refers to, he refers to one of them as a young man. 640 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.160 Take this young man down and, you know, showing a good time. 641 00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:10.619 Klingon there with his hands on his hips like he's about to go 642 00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:11.460 into Panto. 643 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.740 One of those Klingons. 644 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:14.940 It's called Kaz. 645 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.579 And I had a friend called Karen that we all called Kaz. 646 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.799 Yeah, that's all I like, dude. 647 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.519 I think he's Karen or Caroline. 648 00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:25.140 I couldn't work out a witch. 649 00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:29.640 Like Clearo Commander is just trying to be like the hip manager 650 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.420 isn't it? 651 00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.000 That's poor, by the way. 652 00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:38.579 We're finding enjoyment in this where we can. 653 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.140 Yeah, but when cool comes back, right? 654 00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:43.799 And now it's now it's start 85276 point something. 655 00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:49.259 So I think the 1st time when it was Stardate 5, 2.2. 656 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:54.000 Yeah, it was just Shatner not giving a shit or like leaving some 657 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.539 numbers out. 658 00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:58.380 Yeah, he's just looking around looking around the theatre. 659 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.059 Oh, there's 52 up there. 660 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:01.380 We'll say that. 661 00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:07.559 I really wanted to put 52.2 as the stardate for this episode on 662 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.539 the website, but no, I've got to, you know, do the right thing. 663 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.779 If it's 5,2,7, 6, 8. 664 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.599 I really care. 665 00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:20.400 Is that a wonderful line? 666 00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:24.359 Look at this. all the ships there in the space. 667 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.319 It's awesome. 668 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:32.279 It's so weird because there's no like there's no nuance in the 669 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.599 face animation, is there? 670 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.599 So like, so like, it's like when you see those Doctor Who 671 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.420 animations they're bringing out now and you've got like Patrick 672 00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:42.900 Troughton's face looking like it's made out of clay and all this 673 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:44.039 moving is the mouth, you know? 674 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.680 So you lose all the subtleties of the performance. 675 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:48.480 Now don't get me wrong. 676 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:50.819 I don't think there's any subtleties in the voice performances 677 00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:51.119 either. 678 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:53.039 No, no, they're just not bothering. 679 00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:54.420 They are really phoning it in. 680 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.339 Do you remember like when we were watching the court might 681 00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:59.940 maneuver and you were saying about how, like, relaxed and charming 682 00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:02.940 Shatner could be, just how it carries himself and things like 683 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:03.119 that? 684 00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:05.220 You're not going to get any of that here, are you? 685 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:05.759 You know? 686 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.099 It's a shame. 687 00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:09.900 In the doomsday machine. 688 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.440 That superb line reading at the end, which I just absolutely 689 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.759 adored. 690 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:19.319 And, you know, there's no scope for that here because there's no 691 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:20.400 facial expressions. 692 00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:22.500 No scope for charm. 693 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.019 That's No, that's it, isn't it? 694 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:25.980 Oh yeah. 695 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.339 I mean, maybe there are fun ones. 696 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.759 I do know there are kind of weird oddball ones that are a little 697 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.359 bit more fantastic and stuff, which is what original Star Trek 698 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:36.720 does. 699 00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:41.400 It's not all just, this is kind of space things, but there must be 700 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.380 oddball things that are a bit more fun. 701 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.599 Can I make an unfair comparison as well, as you did as well? 702 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:50.039 Because do you know what, right? 703 00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:51.420 This is incredibly serious. 704 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.339 And uh, stately and a space problem. 705 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.279 At times, this reminded me of some of the worst episodes of the 706 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.539 next generation. episodes like force of nature, you know, and 707 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:06.539 things like that where they're just standing around talking 708 00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:08.339 technobabble in a very serious way. 709 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.579 Yeah, I think they get their inspiration from the animated series 710 00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:11.819 you know? 711 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.619 They could, they could well be. 712 00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.200 Instead, they should have been looking at the original series. 713 00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:17.519 Lady Klingon. 714 00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.420 That's Carl. 715 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:19.380 Callie, Carly? 716 00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:19.980 Carly. 717 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:20.519 Yeah. 718 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.240 Carly. 719 00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:22.740 Carly and Kaz. 720 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:23.940 Yeah, yeah. 721 00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:26.640 Oh, I did like this though. 722 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.299 You know, nefarist bastards planting their bomb on the 723 00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:30.900 Enterprise. 724 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.059 Put some clothes on, deer. 725 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:34.980 Honestly, it's a formal occasion. 726 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.059 I just, I'm upset. in touch with her sexuality, Nathan, all 727 00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.299 right? 728 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:39.779 you think? 729 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.160 She's very, oh, yeah, she does. 730 00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:42.480 Look how beautiful body she's got. 731 00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:43.380 I'll be showing it off. 732 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:43.859 She does, mate. 733 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.119 That's funny. 734 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:48.000 Her hair doesn't seem to move at all, but you know. 735 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.000 No, she's using a lot of spray, you know? 736 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.880 It's the 60s. 737 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.220 They put to animating a poplar behind them. 738 00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:57.839 Well, they haven't animated it. 739 00:32:57.900 --> 00:32:59.279 They just drew it in the background. 740 00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:01.259 It's not doing anything. 741 00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:03.420 This is sophisticated culture. 742 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.559 They've got a black. 743 00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:06.480 And also goes with her skin as well. 744 00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:07.920 Is that racist? 745 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.720 Shame said that maybe that's racist. 746 00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:10.680 Oh, wow, you know. 747 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.240 You don't want to edit this thing. 748 00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:12.839 Don't worry. 749 00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:18.299 Oh yeah, this is you can count on McCoy, right? 750 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.099 He starts to fight. 751 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:21.359 Oh, is this all planned? 752 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:22.619 Are they planning this fight? 753 00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.539 No, no, no, no. 754 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.559 They're stupid. 755 00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:29.339 They're fighting over a lady because they're stupid. 756 00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:31.019 Because they're Klingons, right? 757 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.059 And I can't help but notice how well muscled Kirk and McCoy are in 758 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:37.680 their uniform was in the animated series. 759 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.200 And that wasn't really the case in the original series, was it? 760 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.980 Do you think they got to sign off on the character models? 761 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.259 Can you just beef me up a bit, you know? 762 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 763 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:48.779 Whereas what you normally have. 764 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.640 What's that teddy bear? 765 00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:51.779 Did you say that teddy bear? 766 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.460 Yeah, yeah, it's like a teddy bear. 767 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.740 No, the teddy bear is just the cat with bat wing ears. 768 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:02.579 Is it? 769 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.240 Al is it? 770 00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.539 Oh, yeah, it looks very different from above, you know. 771 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.680 But you know what? 772 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.920 We've seen that shop from above about 50 times already. 773 00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:13.920 And they don't have to animate it. 774 00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.719 They're all just sitting there completely. 775 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.599 See, look that 2 shot. 776 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:22.019 Again, it's the close-ups on the face so we don't have to, like 777 00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:24.179 all we need to do is animate its jaw here. 778 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.739 And yet, do you know what? 779 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.800 In the YouTube video I was watching, you know, exciting facts 780 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.320 about the animated series, there was some like fun alien vistas I 781 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.679 saw, there was some intriguing looking alien creatures. 782 00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:40.860 So I think even if they're making it on the cheap, every now and 783 00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:43.500 again, they, you know, they let their imaginations fly. 784 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:44.880 Yeah. 785 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.260 We're just not seeing it in this one. 786 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:47.340 No. 787 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.820 It's very strange how they're standing on the table on that 788 00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:51.599 council too. 789 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:56.699 They're all sat around a table and the Klingons and and Kirk has 790 00:34:56.699 --> 00:34:57.179 stood on the table. 791 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.280 This annoys me as well, right? 792 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.639 tedious analogue technology that they've got. 793 00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:05.400 This is animated, for God's sakes. 794 00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.260 You can have fabulous projections. 795 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:09.780 Look at what they do in prodigy with all the amazing screams 796 00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:10.260 about. 797 00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.659 But they've never thought of that. 798 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.579 The trouble is they haven't thought of it. 799 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.059 But you could do more than having something ticking down 10 to one 800 00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:18.599 you know? 801 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:21.659 That's better than the show managed, I think. 802 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.900 Doctor Who in the 60s was doing more imaginative technology than 803 00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:25.139 this. 804 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.599 Don't tell me there isn't the creativity there to do it. 805 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.159 It's just them aping the original series and just doing, oh, let's 806 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.260 just copy that and do the same thing. 807 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.460 Yeah, well that's all right. 808 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.039 Oh, God. 809 00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.420 Is there any tension here? 810 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.940 Do you think they'll get to the bomb in time? 811 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.639 It's speed, isn't it? 812 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:45.960 When we hit warp 8. 813 00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:46.980 It will explode. 814 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.579 This was the one that I really liked, where you add, no, it run in 815 00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.199 a spot running down the corridor. 816 00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:57.360 And then the eject button, there's just a handy thing where you 817 00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:58.679 can eject things into space. 818 00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:00.300 What is that on the original series? 819 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.199 That ejects. 820 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.219 I don't know. 821 00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:04.739 We'll come in very anti, you know. 822 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.760 Yeah, if you blow your nose, you just sort of eject the thing into 823 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.260 space. trials and tribulations, but now that triple, it'll turn 824 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:14.039 out to be a bomb. 825 00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:16.260 That would have been very handy to have had an eject button there 826 00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:16.619 wouldn't it? 827 00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.139 Well, they beam it out, don't they? 828 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.639 Like an explosion. 829 00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:24.239 But you know what shocked me more than anything was, you know, like 830 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.639 okay, we've got out of this by doing something not so clever. 831 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.860 And then kind of just goes. 832 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.099 And that's why we did it, and there's a Starscape, and it's the 833 00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:32.340 end. 834 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.719 Yeah, I didn't even understand that. 835 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:39.599 That's what matters. wrap up. 836 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.039 No, nothing. 837 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.920 It wasn't even like, I'll get you next time, Kirk. 838 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:44.820 It just ended. 839 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.199 Like, there is sort of a thing where they have the choice between 840 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:56.460 living in an idyllic society with a sexy Orion slave girl in her 841 00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:04.440 pants or going back to their stupid time with Klingons and 842 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.380 fighting and stuff and they decide that's better. 843 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.480 And it's super weird. 844 00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:15.059 So they're given a choice between sort of a utopia and the real 845 00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:15.480 world. 846 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.460 I honestly don't think we're going into, you know, the subtle 847 00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:22.739 depths of characterisation of that choice, you know. 848 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.579 It's just like, basically, you can even choose to stay here or go 849 00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:27.179 well, we're going. 850 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.539 Goodbye. 851 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 852 00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:29.699 And that's it. 853 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.340 There's no particular investigation of that choice. 854 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.139 But it is there. 855 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.300 I mean, it is a sort of thing, I guess. 856 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.059 Nathan, obviously something now. 857 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:39.780 Oh, yeah, no. 858 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:41.400 Amazing, how's the best part of the episode? 859 00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:43.860 I'm going to tell you something now. stun you rigid. 860 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.360 You loved it. 861 00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:46.920 I didn't think that was very good. 862 00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:48.539 No, it's shit. 863 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.579 We'll have to do another one, though. 864 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.519 I can't wait till the next one rolls around because if that's a 865 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.920 good one, I can't wait to see a really bad one. 866 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.079 Well, a really bad one might be fun. 867 00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:01.380 I think that perhaps this is too po faced. 868 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.059 And certainly, the people who make lower decks. have clearly 869 00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.960 derived some enjoyment and there must be a long history that we 870 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.880 have somehow avoided of people watching this and making fun of it 871 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:20.519 which is a thing that we do even with properly good episodes of 872 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:21.300 Star Trek. 873 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.179 So there has to be something. 874 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.159 Kurtzman's made the choice, hasn't he? 875 00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:29.940 or whoever is, you know, creatively in control of those series to 876 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.840 have the animated series as a part of the Star Trek franchise. 877 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.659 They're not, they're not going down the Roddenberry route of 878 00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:37.500 saying this didn't happen. 879 00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:42.480 It's all meshed up with all the other Star Trek, but they're, you 880 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.599 know, blowing kisses too, Next Generation, DS9 Voyager 881 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:46.199 Enterprise. 882 00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:53.760 My favourite one is they actually refer to Spock and Kirk in an 883 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.460 episode of series one of Lower Decks, and we see a picture of them 884 00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:04.500 on a pad and the pictures of them from the animated series. 885 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.019 Like it is just, yeah, yeah. 886 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.059 So like, and of course, because Canon isn't real. 887 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.940 I don't want to, you know, like I'm probably going to shock a lot 888 00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:18.480 of Star Trek fans because Star Trek Canon is so important in a way 889 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.659 that it's not important in Doctor Who. 890 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.800 You know, Canon isn't a bright dividing line between things that 891 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.619 really happened and things that didn't happen. 892 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.739 Because spoiler alert, none of it happened. 893 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:32.760 It's all made up. 894 00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:37.500 But what canon is, is what can you make reference to? 895 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.760 And you can make reference to anything in Star Trek that people 896 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:47.639 have memories of or enjoy or there's been decades of making jokes 897 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.539 about it? 898 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.800 And remember that shitty low effort Star Trek helmet that was the 899 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.159 worst piece of Star Trek merchandise ever because it didn't 900 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.300 resemble anything? 901 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.039 Like it's from the 60s. 902 00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:01.079 It's like a helmet, it's got lights. 903 00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:05.280 It's the most disappointing Christmas gift ever imaginable. 904 00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:11.340 And Mariner has one stashed in the walls of the Cerritos and so 905 00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:16.679 it's now cannon because it's a thing that Star Trek fans have a 906 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.059 folk memory of. 907 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:23.099 And so anything that we remember, any jokes that we've been making 908 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:25.320 for decades are all canon. 909 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.539 Well, can I tell you something, right? 910 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.820 as we duck out of this? 911 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:34.199 and I'm not ripping the shit out of this person because people 912 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.440 approach programs in different ways for me and that's absolutely 913 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.159 fair. 914 00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:41.039 But I was listening to a podcast the other day, a Star Trek one. 915 00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:45.179 And it was about the Voyager episode, Living Witness, you know, the 916 00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:49.199 one where the doctor in the future and they've misremembered the 917 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.559 Voyager crew has this bunch of villains and and it is a 918 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:53.460 phenomenal. 919 00:40:54.780 --> 00:41:01.980 This intelligent podcaster, was there going, well, I really don't 920 00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:02.639 like this episode. 921 00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:06.780 I mean, you know, that's not how the Voyager crew was at all. 922 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.380 And I'm like, that's the fucking point. 923 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.019 That's the point of the episode, we're gone. 924 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.719 And they're literally like their brain cannot understand. 925 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.480 Like, this is the whole thing about, you know, like memory alpha 926 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.960 and plotting everything in place and that's how it is, you know? 927 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 928 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.239 And it just couldn't comprehend how a society could misremember 929 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.400 the adventures of Star Trek Voyager. 930 00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:32.639 And I was like, wow, that is that is canon there, right there. 931 00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:33.480 Yeah, yeah. 932 00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:33.960 You know? 933 00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:36.719 It's a big problem for Star Trek. 934 00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:40.800 And I think that one of the refreshing things about new Star Trek 935 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:47.579 is that it doesn't quite take that same path. 936 00:41:47.579 --> 00:41:52.380 And it remembers Star Trek as a series of stories, a series of TV 937 00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:56.460 shows that we can make reference to and riff on and play with, and 938 00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:57.840 that's exactly the right approach. 939 00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.199 And I agree, and I think that is, I mean, I've said it, I think 940 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.119 it's been done quite a lot, but to look back and cherry pick, like 941 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.480 the best of the past and play about with those toys in the 942 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:10.619 present. 943 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.519 Well, that's just wonderful. 944 00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:23.460 Okay, it's time for us to choose our next episode, and so Joe is 945 00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:29.340 on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser, and you're 946 00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:34.139 about to tell us which series we're choosing from, Joe. You know 947 00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.599 one of these days, I'm going to shock everybody and I'll be the 948 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.360 one to say, okay, we're on on Toto. 949 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:41.699 That's my job. 950 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:42.900 Why break the formula? 951 00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:47.699 So I want us to head back into Kersman Trek, because I think it's 952 00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:52.019 been about 7 episodes now since we last touched upon it. 953 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.760 And I know there's a lot less of it, but I think jumping about all 954 00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.699 the different time periods of Star Trek keeps this thing fresh. 955 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.780 So let's have a little look and see what we're going to get 956 00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:04.619 today. 957 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:10.139 Your Star Trek prodigy episode is Dreamcatcher, season one, episode 958 00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:11.039 four. 959 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.679 Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. 960 00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:14.219 Do you? 961 00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:18.840 Yeah, so we have done episode three, I think. 962 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:25.079 So episodes one and 2 are the pilot, and then we did episode three 963 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.539 which was the 1st regular episode. 964 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.619 And so Dreamcatcher is them kind of landing on their 1st alien 965 00:43:31.619 --> 00:43:31.980 planet. 966 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:33.659 Oh. 967 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.000 I'm going to press off that show. 968 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.719 Okay, here we go. 969 00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:48.599 Your Star Trek Picard episode is Season 2, Episode 3 970 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.460 Assimilation. 971 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.960 Oh, what do you reckon? 972 00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:52.800 That's quite recent. 973 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.219 Well, that's very, very recent, and it gives us a chance to talk 974 00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:58.079 about the 2nd season of Picard, doesn't it? 975 00:43:58.139 --> 00:43:58.619 Yeah. 976 00:43:58.679 --> 00:43:59.159 All right. 977 00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.480 I'm up for that. 978 00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:04.860 So I think that's so the 1st episode you have, I know, a very, very 979 00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:11.400 strong 1st episode, Guine and Q, kind of, it feels very TNG, but 980 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.739 with a big budget and, you know, good actors. 981 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.880 Then the 2nd episode is we're into Nazi parallel world. 982 00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:22.139 Seven of Niners as president and all of fabulous. 983 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:22.800 Absolute. 984 00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:24.059 That episode was amazing. 985 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.659 And this is the 3rd episode where we're heading into the present. 986 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:28.920 That's right. 987 00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:33.360 So we're heading to 2024, which is where the divergence apparently 988 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:33.900 happens. 989 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:39.539 So they're going back in time to prevent the evil future that 990 00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:41.219 they've seen already from happening. 991 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.219 And so this is our 1st episode there. 992 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.179 Do you know what? 993 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.920 I've got a question then to out this is this is very, very new 994 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.000 Star Trek. 995 00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:53.159 Where do we stand on spoilers? 996 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.000 Anything that's been broadcast is fair game, I think. 997 00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:59.159 Yeah, that's what happens in this episode. 998 00:44:59.219 --> 00:44:59.760 I remember. 999 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:02.280 Somebody dies in this episode. 1000 00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:04.619 Okay, well, maybe. 1001 00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:06.599 Yeah. 1002 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.739 I can see Brandon Braga in the... 1003 00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:12.960 Watching the reset button. 1004 00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:13.980 Yeah, please. 1005 00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:18.119 We brought it back for the finale. none of it ever happened. 1006 00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.460 Well, it's a Q episode after all. 1007 00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:31.679 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 1008 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:32.940 and Nathan Bottomley. 1009 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.420 You can find us online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where 1010 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:39.239 you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel. 1011 00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:42.900 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Siseran, and the theme was 1012 00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:44.519 composed by Cameron Lamb. 1013 00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:48.900 This episode was recorded on the 21st of April 2022 and released 1014 00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:50.219 on the 6th of May. 1015 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.239 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Picard, Assimilation.