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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back on the original series this week and both of us have now watched The Doomsday Machine.

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What did you think of it?

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This was Spec fucking Tacula.

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It's really good, isn't it?

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This is one of the best episodes of Star Trek.

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I swear to God.

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Amazingly good.

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I had seen it before and I did have some memories of it.

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And I think last week I say that it had some sort of more modern trek sensibilities and you can certainly see them doing things that you associate with 90s trek than you don't necessarily associate with the original series, but it just does great original series things too, I think.

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This had an intensity and a suspense to it that most other Star Trek shows would weep to have.

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I'm telling you.

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And it was unrelenting.

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Like the momentum of drama that builds up leading up to the climax.

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I was like, there, again, like...

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I'm actually struggling to kind of put my finger on why I think it's so great.

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And I think there's a combination of a really, really strong guest performance.

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Yes, definitely.

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Good performances from the regulars, particularly Nimoy and Shatner.

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No, stunningly good.

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I think Shatner and Nemoy are both brilliant.

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I think Duhan does a great job in this as well.

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Yeah, for once.

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And um, But it is still a space procedural.

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It's still, you know, competent people solving space problems.

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Well, it absolutely is, but it's about a machine that destroys entire planets.

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I mean, that's on a scale that a lot of Star Trek. are dealing with, you know.

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And you and me said off mic, really the only time the next generation aspired to be this intense was best to both worlds.

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And what were they doing in that?

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scooping great colonies off of planets and threatening the earth, you know?

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Like Star Trek is very, the space mysteries that we deal with.

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They're usually like on the level of power play, aren't they?

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Little twinklebell lights going into people and taking them over and that's your problem.

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This is big.

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This is something that the show has gone back to, and like 2 of the films, like one and 4, both have giant machines heading towards Earth that we don't know what they're doing.

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So we do go back here.

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Um, but I think there's, there's just so little known about whatever this machine is and what its purpose is and stuff, that that works really well.

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It's sort of an ill-defined threat.

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And the closest parallel I can think of is Discovery series 4, which I think takes some inspiration from this episode with a DMA.

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I couldn't possibly talk about Discovery season 4 because I've not watched it yet.

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Yeah, you've told me how good it is and I've heard some good reviews as well. get around to it.

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I thought there were some parallels with the early stages of the cord mite maneuver because that is also an unknowable, but that's a bit more opaque, isn't it?

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It's a bit more, we don't really know what that's all about.

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This is something that destroys starships, destroys planets, you know, if you get in this thing's way, you're in trouble.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I just think it's, I don't know.

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There's a simplicity to it.

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We said last week that Star Trek, the original series has the advantage and Star Trek, the Next Generation, to some extent, have the advantage of being able to do things for the 1st time.

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So this doesn't feel like anything else, it's sort of warmed over.

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This is the 1st time we've done giant Planet Killer.

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The captain who's lost his entire crew.

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And all of that sort of stuff is new.

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And I think that helps.

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It does.

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Also, there's no flabbiness at all.

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There's no B plot.

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I mean, I don't think TOS really did B plots.

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That that came along in 90s track, but really there's none of like the, you know, the quirky fun moments that you're getting a lot of tier wets episodes kind of pad out the hour.

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This is very focussed on the story that is telling.

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I think there are fun moments in it.

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Oh, absolutely.

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But they kind of, it's focussed.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's focussed on the problem throughout.

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Um, and I think because you have like that human avatar, you have um, Decca, who has already experienced the horror of this thing as well.

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Like you have a massive emotional involvement in this too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that performance is just so intense and so real.

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I was really impressed.

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I also think what's interesting.

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This sounds weird, but I think it's interesting that we have kind of 2 separate locations as well.

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We've got the constellation and we've got the enterprise and you know, then eventually we have the shuttle and just the fact that Kirk and Scotty are on the constellation communicating coordinating this thing from ship to ship.

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I think, there's something interesting.

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There's something Star Trek, the Next Generation about that.

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It sounds really trivial, but it makes them seem like they're working together to solve a giant space problem in a really competent way, and I really like that.

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You know, just coming across some like unknowable, like, oh, look at the probe in Star Trek 4, for goodness sakes, and things like that.

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But it feels very next gen that, like coming across some flotsam that's, you know, dreadnaught, the missile in that and, you know, in episodes like that.

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And also using the regular sets to play another environment, like trashing the regular set.

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Oh, that was really clever.

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And they look really, you know, it's not too over the top because when they do it in Knight's track.

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Yeah, it's not open to dry ice. all the girders are everywhere.

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Turn the lights down. satellite on that, isn't it?

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And in fact, the other thing about this, that was, it's just incredibly well executed.

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I was very aware of how crafted the direction was.

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Whereas, you know, we've watched a ton of 90s straight where we were saying, well, this is a bit lazy, actually.

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This isn't like, you know, the directors, they're putting out competent work, but they're not kind of really looking to impress.

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Whereas this was directed by Mark Daniels, who unbelievably also directed Spock's brain.

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Yeah, I think we said at the time that Spock's brain was what kind of did him in.

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That's where he said fuck it, I'm not going to be involved in this nonsense.

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I'm not making this.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I threw a bit of trivia you earlier when I said, he basically won a bet, that he could complete this in 5 days when the usual shooting schedule was six.

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And something this good was made in a limited amount of time kudos to him.

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Yeah.

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No, it's really, it's really, really something, isn't it?

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The other thing is to the music, which, oh, great.

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It's so good.

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I was a bit worried because I was watching at 4 in the morning and it's only the person I live with complains when the TV is a bit loud and that music kept getting louder and louder.

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Yeah, where's the remote?

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I need to turn this thing down.

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But you know, I keep using the word intense.

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That music is really intense, isn't it?

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And it's almost like, um, what is it, you say, it's almost like it's digetic because every time the machine every time the machine appears, like, brings an orchestra with it.

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How could I possibly scare the shower every more?

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you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's it just makes the decision in 90s trek to turn the music into just kind of wallpaper.

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Absolutely baffling because the music is so important.

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Burman said, didn't he?

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And those early seasons of TNG, the music is, I mean, it's not amazing.

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But it's loud and apparent.

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Remember best of both worlds.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's like all of the weird electric chorus that they do and things like that.

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Like it's, but it's kind of after that when Bourbon goes.

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No, no, that's, we need to be a bit more...

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Yeah.

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It's like it's melodrama.

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It's science fiction.

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Would you stop directing them scoring these episodes, please?

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Thank you very much.

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That's it.

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Stop making it good.

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All right.

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Well, we did that last week.

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All right, what do you think?

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Should we just launch straight in?

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I think this is good.

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I cannot wait to watch this.

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I cannot wait.

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And I think for once, everybody, I know you're all listening to this in your podcast catches.

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Watch it along with us.

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This is good enough to watch along with this commentary. really great.

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All right, I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Do you know, um, James Duhan, who cites this as the best episode of the original series.

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His favourite.

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Dorothy Fontana, DC Montana.

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She hated it.

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She said it was the worst episode of the original series.

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I'm wondering what she was watching, you know?

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Yeah.

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So Ahura's got the week off and we have Lieutenant...

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Beehive hairdo.

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Yeah, look, and she gets soft focus on the screen, like the ladies always do.

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I did a search.

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I thought that was Diane Muldal.

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No, she is in too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's got that look anyway.

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I think she's really good.

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Like, yeah.

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Look, I've spoken to you before about how they shoot these bridge scenes, right?

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and called Mike maneuver when we came in over Kirk's shoulder.

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We zoomed straight up from the ceiling.

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Oh, this God, there's loads of handheld camera work in this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Is it?

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They can direct this bridge so brilliantly.

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And TNG bridge so boringly.

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Yeah, well, I think the TNG bridges are designed to be filmed, and this is clearly designed to be filmed as well, but I think it's just a bit more interesting.

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Now, we're both watching the new effects, but when I watched...

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I haven't seen the old ones.

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Well, when I watched it last night.

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I did it with the old effects and there is a kind of problem with them.

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And I think that they're, you know, inventive and interesting and fun, but they do have difficulty telling this story.

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And, you know, they do what they can and they don't let themselves be restricted.

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They don't sort of scale the story down to something that they can easily achieve.

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But the destruction of all of these star systems is just done in dialogue.

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And in the original broadcast version, we just see a couple of asteroids on the screen and that's it in one shot.

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To be fair to the people making this at the time, there's a big ask in this script. okay?

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There's lots of space effects.

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There's the shuttle being eaten by the planet, you know, there's lots of the 2 ships going around like, they're on a limited budget, despite the fact that we said, you know, this looks good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But what I think is good is that they just sketch the scale of the threat in dialogue because that's all they have available to them.

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They essentially couldn't achieve a big thing carving up planets.

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And also at this point, we kind of don't need to see that we need to hear that from Decker a bit later on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I'll talk a little bit about the effects as we go because there are just, you know, I mean, I'm going to say again, I do think that, like you said, some of the CGI effects actually you preferred a couple of the originals when we were talking in January.

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One, I'm going to point out when we get to it.

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I think this is an episode that's executed well enough that it deserves the CGI treatment.

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It deserves the remastering. deserves to look as good as it possibly can look.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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And I don't think they spoil it.

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We've said this before.

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This isn't Shakespeare.

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No one's deleted the original versions if you want to see them, but if we can make this have more of a lifespan on streaming and stuff and have people still watch it.

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And certainly, you know, the version that I saw, the film was really rough.

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It hadn't been restored.

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But do you understand people that say, you know, it's an abomination?

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for new special effects to be slapped onto, you know, vintage TV?

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No, I think that makes you sound cool. perhaps, but like, like I said, it's not the Bible, it's not Shakespeare and the other versions are available if you want to watch them.

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Yeah, I always feel people like that.

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They always say, oh, well, I'm a bit better than watching the new CGI.

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You know, there's a bit of arrogance in there as well.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's different, I think, maybe with Star Wars, where the original version's been memory holed and it's basically impossible to ever see it again.

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I think that's a problem.

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But here it's not a problem.

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You can watch the other one.

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Spectra of the Gun, when the pair of us were highly complimentary about the lighting.

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Once again, it's staggeringly good in this.

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Do you reckon it's people, the people have worked on black and white before or something?

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I don't know.

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There is, um, there is a noir-ish element, some of the scenes later on, when the last spaces in shadow, uh, like in, in this scene, when we cut back to Kirk. you know, one side of his face is in shadow.

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It's not saying anything, but it just makes it visually a bit more interesting.

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Whereas, you know, there's a sort of big key light in Star Trek, the next generation, everything is very evenly lit.

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Even rooms with windows.

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It's just very even full stop.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, as well, I think with TOS. there is just far more.

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And we said this, Inspector a gun as well.

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There's far more of a willingness to just go for it, you know, with the execution as well.

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Gosh, that CGF looks great.

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Did you see that?

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The asteroid bouncing off the hole.

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That's not only the original.

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So here we are.

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So we're in, what's the ship called?

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The constellation with the twisted girders hanging from the scene.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And of course, they would have trashed it up.

225
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There'd be rocks on the floor.

226
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I did think of you when I was watching this, why there are no rocks on the floor.

227
00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:09.600
Yeah, in corridors.

228
00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:14.039
And they've sort of turned the light down, but not very much.

229
00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:19.019
And I think, you know, there's a kind of 60s pop art look that they don't want to abandon, I guess.

230
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Well, that's what's amazing about anything that comes out of the 60s, isn't it?

231
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It's also bloody stylish.

232
00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.679
Oh, look at what they've done to engineering.

233
00:15:28.740 --> 00:15:30.059
This set is great.

234
00:15:31.019 --> 00:15:37.980
In fact, they go back to this, don't they, in Enterprise, where it's kind of multilevel and you're going up and down ladders and things like this.

235
00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:46.500
Well, because what you've got in the distance behind that grill and we can't see it yet, is the warp core, which is horizontal and goes off into the distance.

236
00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.080
There it is behind Scotty in that shot, the red pipes.

237
00:15:49.139 --> 00:15:50.940
It feels vast, doesn't it?

238
00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:51.600
Yeah, yeah.

239
00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:52.919
I think it's really good.

240
00:15:52.980 --> 00:16:05.940
And, you know, like the, I think the, the next generation engineering set's a spectacular set as well, with its many layers, you know, like all of the glass floor and stuff, like it's expensive and impressive looking.

241
00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.240
Um, and it has practical lights and stuff like that.

242
00:16:09.299 --> 00:16:11.220
You know, they get a few times.

243
00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:18.299
I remember there's like a Klingon attack on the engineering in TNG that where they're shooting through the glass with them coming through.

244
00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.139
And there are times when they shoot it well, but very often it's very point and shoot.

245
00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:23.580
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

246
00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.639
Well, because I think you have to light the whole thing in order to do stuff like that.

247
00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:27.360
It would take time.

248
00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:31.080
They've got that staircase going down into the floor.

249
00:16:31.139 --> 00:16:33.720
And obviously it's clearly only going down about half a metre.

250
00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:34.620
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

251
00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.600
It gives a sense of depth to the set.

252
00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:38.460
Well, and it's not easy to do.

253
00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:43.200
You have to build a false floor on the set or find a place where there's a hole or whatever, I suppose.

254
00:16:43.259 --> 00:16:52.259
I think my point is, is a lot of people point at TOS and say it's cheap, and I don't think by the standards of the time, it's extremely expensive television.

255
00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:52.980
Yeah.

256
00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.500
Yeah, it looks amazing.

257
00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:56.399
Holy crap.

258
00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:59.100
So this is this is Decca.

259
00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:01.379
What's his name?

260
00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:02.519
I can't remember.

261
00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:09.180
So he wasn't the person that they originally wanted to get, but frankly, if he's the alternative, then they lucked out.

262
00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:09.839
Did you know?

263
00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:11.039
Look at this.

264
00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:15.599
I think that look on his face where his all slack jawed and staring is terrifying.

265
00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:19.019
I would have been absolutely frightened by that as a kid.

266
00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:20.940
And it's such a weird reaction.

267
00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:29.819
Like, it's not him using his acting performance to convey something that you can sympathise with.

268
00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.759
I've never seen anyone react to something looking like that.

269
00:17:32.819 --> 00:17:37.440
It's there just to emphasise the sheer scale of what he's been through.

270
00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.140
And so it's not a naturalistic performance.

271
00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.359
It's really presentational, but it's so good.

272
00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.400
I like you so good.

273
00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:46.680
Sometimes when it's presentational, it's very watchable.

274
00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:51.059
Yeah, but he's, it's one of those things about...

275
00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.940
That's hysterical, isn't it?

276
00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:54.480
Yeah.

277
00:17:54.539 --> 00:17:56.460
Oh, and I guess William Shadow, Shawson.

278
00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:57.059
Answer me.

279
00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:57.839
What was it?

280
00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:01.859
You know. him there with his mouth open in that long shot as well.

281
00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:08.220
It's really, really, really upsetting. deep primordial fear, isn't it?

282
00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:09.359
that it's wrenched out of him.

283
00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:12.599
But he's a little bit unpredictable, isn't it?

284
00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:15.599
And I find that a bit dangerous and a bit scary.

285
00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:18.000
And I'm going to make a bizarre link.

286
00:18:18.059 --> 00:18:19.019
So please just go with this.

287
00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:23.759
He reminds me a bit of Admiral Satay from the drumhead.

288
00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:33.660
He's a man in a position or a character in a position of power, which he is in this, and he's abusing that power and is clearly unstable within it.

289
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.559
And it's all in this almost contained performance.

290
00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:40.319
And every time we cut back to him.

291
00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:42.180
I just get the shivers, you know?

292
00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:42.900
Yeah.

293
00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.619
I think the nearest analogue is the wounded.

294
00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:49.859
Who in the wounded?

295
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.079
The captain, is it Maxwell?

296
00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:52.980
can't even remember.

297
00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.359
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

298
00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:55.619
Actually, that's a good choice.

299
00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.299
I think it owes a fair amount to this.

300
00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.400
But he's committed as well.

301
00:18:59.460 --> 00:19:06.240
Like, like, we've seen performances in original trek where the actors have said, whoa, I can have a bit of fun with this.

302
00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:08.099
There's none of them here.

303
00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.019
Yeah, I think he's extremely good.

304
00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:12.180
Really, really good.

305
00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:20.279
I think you'll probably find, you know, the best TOS episodes are in around this period of season two.

306
00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:22.920
Yeah, maybe right.

307
00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:25.859
They've probably figured out how to do this.

308
00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.339
How to write it and how they should be acting it, you know, and...

309
00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:31.740
Oh, my God.

310
00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:35.279
And this, that is so frightening.

311
00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:41.460
I can't, you know, like he's beamed them down to the planet and the way it's narrated.

312
00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:43.619
He's beamed his crew down to the planet.

313
00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:51.900
The machine has come along and just carved the planet up while they're begging him for help and he can't bring them back up and he's watching them.

314
00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.180
It's, and look at the performance.

315
00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:54.839
The performance.

316
00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.859
Look at the performance, though.

317
00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:58.740
In fact, we don't have to watch that because...

318
00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.940
Yeah, yeah. very, very clearly how terrifying that was.

319
00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.079
Yeah, yeah.

320
00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:07.440
And I think that that is more terrifying that he's on his own.

321
00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:09.180
Like that's a messenger speech.

322
00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.099
We said some fall, haven't we, what you don't see?

323
00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:14.940
Because in my mind, that is a truly horrific sequence, you know.

324
00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.720
Whereas in reality, it would be one of those stock Star Trek sets for people going out.

325
00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.319
In that shot, look, through the grill.

326
00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:27.599
I love those grills.

327
00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:29.160
It doesn't have to be there.

328
00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:31.920
No, but it's a bit more interesting, isn't it?

329
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:33.839
It's like light and shadow.

330
00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:38.220
Like even the way the grills came back again and again, can't you?

331
00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:39.180
I kept using him.

332
00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.900
And it's because of that, I think this looks very filmy as well.

333
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:44.579
I mean, I know it's all shot on film.

334
00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:45.900
Yeah, I don't know.

335
00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.400
I just don't think this looks good.

336
00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:48.359
Look at that.

337
00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.460
Look at the dark, the dark set.

338
00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.700
He's just going for it, isn't he?

339
00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:56.640
He's saying now it's taken out a dozen starships.

340
00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:58.140
It's destroyed planets.

341
00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:05.339
So what they've done is the buildup to see in this thing is immense.

342
00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:11.700
So when we finally see it, you know, we're already absolutely...

343
00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.440
Yeah.

344
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.660
With like a glowing asshole.

345
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.059
You and I have run from a few of those.

346
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.660
Walter Wilson.

347
00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.240
Who is this man?

348
00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:29.039
Why is this man hearing his pyjamas on the bridge?

349
00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:36.779
No, so those people, I think that there are people who do dress like that, who are wearing pyjamas, like, and I can't remember why.

350
00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.680
And I think they do it a little bit occasionally on next generation as well.

351
00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:43.619
I don't know what it is where they're non-commissioned or something.

352
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.440
I don't know, write in or don't, don't write.

353
00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:47.579
Did you see that bit, Lana Darl.

354
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.140
That Lana dialogue alone is enough.

355
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:50.940
It smashes planets to rubble.

356
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:52.019
Yeah, yeah.

357
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:52.680
Yeah.

358
00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:55.799
And it feeds on them and so it never stops.

359
00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:57.539
It uses them for fuel.

360
00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.000
It's just perpetually self-sustaining.

361
00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:10.440
So why would you imagine then next generation wouldn't go this far. in terms of like, you know, massive drama.

362
00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:15.720
I think it tries to, and I think it aspires to, and I think maybe it nearly does.

363
00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:17.759
This bit doesn't make any sense, right?

364
00:22:17.819 --> 00:22:35.460
So his projected solus projected the course and he's extrapolated the course back and this thing comes from outside the galaxy, but basically literally any course that you can plot, if you extrapolate it backwards, will eventually come from outside the galaxy, won't it?

365
00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.559
Like unless you're going round and round.

366
00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:39.779
Are you trying to bring logic to this thing again?

367
00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.440
But, but that's awesome as well.

368
00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:45.900
It makes it even more unknowable.

369
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:53.519
And this is one of the things that It's never been pinned down, has it, in the actual show itself.

370
00:22:53.579 --> 00:22:55.440
Well, this is the same machine is.

371
00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:57.539
No, that's what's scary, though.

372
00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:03.480
Yeah, the mystery... like spinoff material has sort of tried to do stuff with that.

373
00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.779
Imagine if they said, like you said to me, in discovery, right?

374
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:07.440
Imagine...

375
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.720
Yeah, they get always, like, what we get to shoot the weapon, it was, you know, designed on Romulus Prime over 100s of years.

376
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.339
Wow, boring is that?

377
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.839
No, it's a giant planet eating space killer. you know, and that's all you need to know.

378
00:23:18.900 --> 00:23:21.059
Yeah, from outside the galaxy.

379
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.980
And so its purpose is unknowable.

380
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:30.779
And it is absolutely what Discovery Series 4 is inspired by the DMA and Discovery Series 4.

381
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.740
This war, when the Borg were initially introduced in Q-Hoo.

382
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.180
It's absolutely this.

383
00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:37.920
The unknowable objects.

384
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:39.359
You can't communicate with it.

385
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.019
Yeah.

386
00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:41.519
It's coming after you.

387
00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:43.380
You can't get out of its path, you know?

388
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:44.160
Yeah.

389
00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:51.240
And eventually, you know, the more the Borg turn up, the less you can hold, the less you can sustain that until you have some.

390
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:52.799
That's why it's good that this was a one-off.

391
00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:53.099
I think.

392
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:55.980
I think if it had, you know, the doomsday machine, the sequel.

393
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.779
Yeah, yeah, it would have been tedious.

394
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.059
Well, they would have had to explain something about it.

395
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.920
They would have added some backstory, wouldn they?

396
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.380
Lighting in that shot just before then before this.

397
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:04.859
Look at that.

398
00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:07.200
Look, there's a special effect shop right through the nacelles.

399
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:09.119
Yeah, one ship to another.

400
00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:11.279
Originally, that's not what we are.

401
00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:13.619
No, I know.

402
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.039
But it's a good effect all the same.

403
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:27.119
Is that sort of budget saving thing where it's kind of like, oh, it's also a constitution class ship, so we can use the same sets and the same model and all of that.

404
00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:31.740
Can we take a moment, please, to talk about Spock, who is caused a cucumber in this episode?

405
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.319
Jesus Christ, he's great in this.

406
00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:35.759
Oh, wait, wait.

407
00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:40.980
Here's the machine. da, da, da, da, da, da.

408
00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:42.539
My God.

409
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.039
I think it looks great.

410
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.059
Yeah.

411
00:24:45.119 --> 00:25:01.680
And even the original, which looks a little bit more plasticky, and it's a bit bluer, and a bit smaller in the frame. pull up the story for this, um, was appalled when he saw the the live action thing because he envisaged it as being like covered in weapons and armours and things.

412
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:03.119
Yeah, but that would have been so boring.

413
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:04.380
Yeah, yeah.

414
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.140
The point of it is that it's unknowable.

415
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.420
It's an incomprehensible object.

416
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:10.259
I don't know.

417
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:17.220
I know the fact that it kind of looks manufactured, but it also looks a little bit sort of like stone.

418
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:18.960
And yet it's clearly alive.

419
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:22.619
Yeah, my head's fighting in about 5 different directions.

420
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.359
I was just trying to figure out this.

421
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:25.259
I think it looks great.

422
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:26.880
And the original looks really good as well.

423
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:42.480
The one problem that they have with the original is that they can't get the scale right, that everything on screen is roughly the same size because they're using footage that they have lying around, you know, they're not able to shoot all new footage.

424
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:43.440
They aren't.

425
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:44.400
Yeah, they could have done with.

426
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.859
Well, so, Michael, they right, just on extra days filming.

427
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:47.759
Yeah.

428
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.400
Yeah.

429
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:52.980
I don't think they that they're even capable of it.

430
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:58.440
But they do, like, they give it a good college try, and I don't think it wrecks the story at all.

431
00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:07.980
But it is really visible that the dialogue wants this machine to be much bigger than the enterprise, but the effect shots aren't able to achieve that.

432
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.299
And essentially now, like the rest of the episode is like, we know what this thing can do.

433
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.140
We know the impact this thing can have and we can't get away from it.

434
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.779
Yeah, it's magnificent.

435
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:19.440
It's so good.

436
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:21.779
Oh, it wouldn't be good.

437
00:26:21.779 --> 00:26:25.920
They'd make sense if they didn't throw themselves across the street dramatically. a great job of it, though.

438
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:26.339
Yeah, yeah.

439
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:28.440
Like, they probably do it for a half now.

440
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.460
They're throws.

441
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:31.740
Yeah, they really good.

442
00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:32.700
I'm good at the next gen crew.

443
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.380
I'm not going to keep shit on next year.

444
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.799
But they always look a bit embarrassed when they've got to kind of walk about in their chairs, you know.

445
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:40.920
Whereas TOS, again, they go for it. just lunge across the set.

446
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:43.680
Oh my goodness.

447
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:51.480
Nemoy is so, so great in this and it's Nemoy who has to confront Decker and we have the power play.

448
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.279
And we had that in Corbin and White maneuver.

449
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.160
Remember, we had the guy going mad on the bridge and...

450
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.599
That was really effective as well, I thought.

451
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

452
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:03.539
So here we have, we have Decker taking over the ship because he outranks them.

453
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:04.859
Why don't we have Commodores anymore?

454
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.880
I don't know.

455
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.619
I have a Commodore in Picard?

456
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.819
I think Commodore O in Picard, the evil one.

457
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:12.599
I think there's a commodore.

458
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.759
What was the episode where Pike goes on trial?

459
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.559
I think there's a Commodore in that story.

460
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.720
Yeah, there could be in the menagerie.

461
00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:21.599
Do you not think it's a little bit irresponsible though?

462
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:34.440
Now, I know, if in my workplace, you know, somebody who clearly had suffered intense trauma and, you know, was screaming in a primordial way, I wouldn't then say, right, tomorrow, back to work, you know, and you're in charge as well, you know.

463
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:36.480
Yeah, and there is a line.

464
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:39.180
Like they do deal with that because...

465
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.880
You know, he just goes onto the bridge.

466
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.019
He's not put in charge.

467
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:51.359
Spock is in charge and then he starts to take over and because McCoy hasn't had the chance to properly diagnose him.

468
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:55.319
He can't relieve him of duty because he wouldn't be able to present evidence.

469
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:59.579
I believe I said that, doctor.

470
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.200
And he said, it's a joke.

471
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:05.880
And McCoy reacts to it and he completely deadpans it.

472
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:08.220
It's, you know, you mean to say we've been lucky.

473
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.980
And it's such a, that's wonderful.

474
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.000
This is so leaning into a lot of tear-ish cliches, but doing them really, really well.

475
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:18.480
But the one thing that kind of isn't here is the Spock McCoy stuff.

476
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:21.299
There's no there's no room for it here, is it?

477
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.019
No, in fact, both on the same side at this point as well.

478
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:33.420
You know, did you see that enormous black pad that Spock was just holding a 2nd ago with a huge pencil that he was using to write with?

479
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.960
Now, is that actually a pad or was that supposed to be a piece of electronic equipment?

480
00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:40.619
Because he's writing as if he's actually, you know, writing a shopping list.

481
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.640
It's an iPad.

482
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.279
Yeah, iPad, iPad Pro. Yeah.

483
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:44.940
Press code.

484
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.440
Yeah, yeah.

485
00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:58.259
And just the contrast too, between Decker, who looks hugely dishevelled and kind of...

486
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.039
Yeah, with Spock who looks, who looks absolutely perfectly chill.

487
00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:11.940
I'd like to imagine the makeup lady tracing all of the lines on the actor's face because it's very stage makeup.

488
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.140
I think it's really effective.

489
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.359
I think they've used up all the stubble store.

490
00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:16.200
Yeah, look at that.

491
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:17.039
Look at that close shot.

492
00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:22.799
Look at the clothes shot where they've just clearly drawn in all of the existing lines on the actors face.

493
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.859
It's a lovely contrast, though, isn't it?

494
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.599
you know, it's deliberate.

495
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:35.160
And this, so he's assuming command and we're about to get the best eyebrow lift from Spock, I think, at this point.

496
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:45.720
And it's so wonderful having Spock telling him off without any, like, raising his voice or being angry or anything.

497
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.240
You know, he's actually quite harsh with him.

498
00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:50.460
Yeah. for real, isn't it?

499
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:51.480
Yeah, yeah.

500
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.339
Solid neutronium.

501
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.460
You love, you love saying those, take up other words.

502
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:00.119
Here it is.

503
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.480
Here it is.

504
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:05.099
You've been relieved of command and I think he does an eyebrow raise and then and then stands up.

505
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.380
Let's see how, let's see, am I right?

506
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.279
Have I remembered it?

507
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:16.079
Not one line of dialogue.

508
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:18.420
Just the eyebrow. brilliant.

509
00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:22.740
How could an eyebrow literally say, oh, okay.

510
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.799
Yeah, I do when you say it, but I'm not happy.

511
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:38.940
See, this is good Spock McCoy stuff, you know, there's the regulations and McCoy doesn't want to listen to them.

512
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:40.799
And both of them are right.

513
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:44.039
You know, it is that thing where they both have opposing viewpoints and they're both right.

514
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.920
It's a terrible idea to put Decker in command, but...

515
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:48.900
All my objections here are being covered by McCoy.

516
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.460
He is psychologically unstable.

517
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.079
You can relieve him of command.

518
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:53.640
So why doesn't he do it?

519
00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:57.299
Because he hasn't run an examination and he would have to produce proof.

520
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:58.859
That's what Spock's about to say here.

521
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.059
Plus, he has a...

522
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.200
Yeah, no.

523
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:06.539
And like he will get to the point.

524
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:12.000
Decker will get to the point where he behaves in such a way that Spock does relieve him of command.

525
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.819
Spock, it's wonderful, isn't it?

526
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.559
It's just.

527
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:22.019
I just love how they prostrate with their hands, you know?

528
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.099
But he's doing that compared to the very contained spot.

529
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:36.240
Like they are a perfect double act even without Kirk there to mediate them. always stands out because everybody on this show is so hysterical.

530
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:37.740
Yeah, it's the 60s.

531
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:38.700
They're all on drugs.

532
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.740
I just see you're calm in a night of chaos, isn't he?

533
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.539
He's so great.

534
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.099
Holy crap is good.

535
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.079
I don't think it can be said enough.

536
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:49.019
You can see how people fell for that character.

537
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.319
Like, you know, oh, look how Shadow was a little bit miffed, you know.

538
00:31:52.380 --> 00:32:04.079
Oh, I think he figured he was going to be the lead and in came the, you know, the demonic Mr. Spock, the church funded production crew were like, well, get rid of him.

539
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.140
And Jim was like, nope, we're going to keep him in. everyone's going to love him.

540
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:07.920
And you know what?

541
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:08.640
instincts was right.

542
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:09.779
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:27.839
Well, I think too, that Shatner gets, there's one, like, I watched this 1st decades ago, and when we came to redo it, my memory was that it was really great and I knew the outlines of it and stuff, but it had been a long while, I'm not super familiar with it.

544
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:40.319
But the one thing that I do remember is 2 line readings of Shatner from near the end of the episode, which I'll point out, which I think are just absolutely magnificent and are about why Shatner is as great as he is.

545
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:45.359
That CGI shot there, that did rather look like a dildo hanging in space, the doomsday machine.

546
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.640
That says more about the contents of my bedroom. then I probably should.

547
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:58.680
And also as well, I was just constantly aware of, and this is shallow, how beautiful William Shannon looked in this episode.

548
00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:00.480
Like they're shooting him.

549
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:01.740
It just looks gorgeous.

550
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.839
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

551
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:04.799
You don't think that.

552
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:13.019
And I never thought that until kind of watching it as an adult, but he has a very pretty face, like a very handsome.

553
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.640
Yeah, it's pretty, you know.

554
00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:18.420
I just think he's...

555
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.900
I never want to object to a pretty man turning up in Star Trek, are we?

556
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:22.380
No.

557
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:26.160
I think TOS has a pretty good batting average for that, you know.

558
00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:27.420
Yeah.

559
00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:29.579
Yeah, maybe.

560
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.539
Yeah.

561
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.160
No one is pretty as Saru, though.

562
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:36.359
That's, uh... honestly.

563
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.000
Oh my god.

564
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:40.380
So do you know what, right?

565
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:49.500
So the music there, when the Enterprise is going off, I went, and then immediately it goes, da, da, da, da, da. good.

566
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.980
It's got its own bit of music, yeah.

567
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.119
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:59.160
Like the next generation thing is so low effort and so indefensible.

569
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:16.559
And even something like best of both worlds, which I think is the closest that TNG gets to this with that there's a sense of impending doom, isn't there, after they encounter the that big crater in the opening, you know, the pre-credits teaser.

570
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.300
And the music is, who is it?

571
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:19.500
It's Ron Jones, I think.

572
00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:20.699
Is that right?

573
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.719
Do you know Dream, man?

574
00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:25.019
You just see to have things spitting fire out at the Enterprise.

575
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

576
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:33.360
To know, you said to me, you know, that if you had seen this as a child, it would have scared the terrible shit out of me.

577
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.900
I had a good think about that because then I thought, well, what would have scared me about this as a child?

578
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.400
I don't think the doomsday machine would have scared me because I just would have thought that was very cool.

579
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:42.840
I love spaceships and things like that.

580
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:48.840
I think it would have been Decker, seeing an adult act in such a terrified, unpredictable way.

581
00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:53.460
Yeah, that was exactly why that was exactly why I thought that.

582
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.599
This shot here?

583
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:57.360
Look, Kirk's eyes. eyes are lit.

584
00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:59.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but everything else isn't.

585
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.639
It's almost like he stepped straight out of a detective thriller, isn't it?

586
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.300
Yeah, yeah.

587
00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:17.039
So this, for instance, in the, in the original where the Enterprise is shooting phaser beams at the, at the machine is much, much more rudimentary, and you don't get the sense of the, of the scale.

588
00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:20.699
Generally speaking they look roughly the same size.

589
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.280
And so here it's improved.

590
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.199
It clearly is beyond their ambition to realise. they just kind of go fuss out, we'll do it anyway.

591
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:29.159
Yeah.

592
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.920
Whereas again, I think in 90s trek, they'll go, well, what can we do?

593
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:33.719
And that's what we'll do, you know?

594
00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:35.699
Yeah, we don't want to face plant, you know.

595
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.519
I was trying to think of a parallel on 90s track.

596
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:39.239
I think I've got one.

597
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:43.440
Remember Silicon Avatar with the great crystalline entity in the sky?

598
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:49.440
You know, calm down and they're on that planet, which has got a blue filter all over it and everyone's running away.

599
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:50.400
The golf course.

600
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.320
And they've blown, they've blown the trees as if there's a hurricane, but only the trees in the front are blowing.

601
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.480
Yeah, yeah, they have got strong enough.

602
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:59.400
Riker's dinner date gets erased.

603
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:06.719
And it is about, you know, a kind of unknowable object in the sky that's coming along and destroying, not planets, but colonies.

604
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.840
It's nowhere near as effective as this.

605
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:10.500
No, no.

606
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.739
But I do think best of both worlds gets close to this.

607
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:17.579
But again, there's a kind of, yeah.

608
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.699
And it has the advantage of a long build that too.

609
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.699
Yeah, has the basically the trailer, which is Q-Hoo.

610
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.739
Yeah, which is so effective.

611
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.639
Yeah.

612
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:34.500
And, you know, as far back as the neutral zone, the last episode of series one has them finding craters where colonies used to be.

613
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.179
So it's been on its way for 2 years or whatever.

614
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:48.300
And here you just have to compress that into the pre-credits teaser with a few lines of dialogue about how all these star systems have been destroyed.

615
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:54.420
I'm almost willing to bet, though, there's spinoff material books or something like that, where they're trying to explain where this thing comes from.

616
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.880
No, no, no, there are. you know, the memory alpha brigade.

617
00:36:56.940 --> 00:36:59.340
They can't let it stand, but this thing is a mystery, you know?

618
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:00.659
Yeah, yeah.

619
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:02.880
Yeah, here we go.

620
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:05.460
So he is committing suicide.

621
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:12.239
He's doing something that is ill advised and so, and so Spock is relieving him of command.

622
00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:17.519
Like, no, no, he's like psychologically.

623
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:20.099
You you, I think you're on board with him.

624
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:29.400
Like, he's seen everybody under his command killed and now he wants to stop this thing no matter what. you know, as a massive revenge.

625
00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:31.019
That's amazing, isn't it?

626
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:32.579
Yeah, wow.

627
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.000
Now, I think what he's doing is unreasonable, but it's understandable.

628
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.260
Yeah, yeah.

629
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.039
Yeah.

630
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.739
Gee, that looks good.

631
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.360
I just love the machine so much.

632
00:37:42.420 --> 00:37:43.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:49.019
Take a look at some photos of the original, because the original is just as charming, I think.

634
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.440
It's a bit less scary, but still scary enough.

635
00:37:52.500 --> 00:38:11.880
And it's weird in a way, you know, when you've got computer generated imagery, you can basically create anything you can imagine, whereas there they're constrained with what they can do with, you know, like a bunch of tin foil and lighting gels and they create something that looks pretty amazing, I think.

636
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:14.760
William Shatner just fell over that console arse up then.

637
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:16.079
I could never notice that.

638
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:19.500
Oh, there's Jimmy going for it engineering.

639
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:24.599
So clever, that sense of depth that they managed to.

640
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:25.500
Yeah, yeah.

641
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:26.760
Again, that's perspective.

642
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.159
It's not a, I can't have a notice.

643
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:31.739
There were 2 engineering crew behind him a 2nd ago on that.

644
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:32.639
They both vanished.

645
00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:34.320
I can't remember.

646
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:35.519
They do go somewhere.

647
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.519
I don't think they just disappear from the show.

648
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.079
I do like this too.

649
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:51.480
Like, they've deliberately said that the bridge of the constellation's been destroyed, and so everything's been done in this engineering set, so we're not having to use the bridge on the bridge.

650
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:51.900
Yeah.

651
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.780
But that engineering site is so impressive anyway.

652
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:55.980
Who cares?

653
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.300
It is really great.

654
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.139
Look at this.

655
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.480
The shit is literally being eaten up by the machine.

656
00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.199
Yeah, yeah.

657
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:08.699
And again, scale, you know, that's the advantage that these models have is that the machine is so much bigger than the enterprise.

658
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.380
It's such an exciting idea.

659
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.079
I'll be wearing my pants as a kid on the edge of my seat.

660
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.159
Scotty, you didn't think of mentioning that we have phases.

661
00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:21.539
Oh, we've got tears.

662
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:30.360
I think the funniest thing in this whole episode is that the climax when Kurt's going, now, please.

663
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:34.800
That is my line reading that I was going to mention.

664
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:37.079
I absolutely adore it.

665
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:41.579
We'll get there, but holy shit. terrified. myself laughing.

666
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:43.019
It's so good.

667
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.780
It's and I think it's the best thing ever.

668
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.820
Only Shatner could deliver that line that well.

669
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:48.900
Oh, yeah.

670
00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:55.500
Oh my god.

671
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.059
I just want to watch this actually.

672
00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:00.119
Yeah, no, we're both watching, aren't we?

673
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:00.840
And you know what?

674
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:01.800
I'm not going to lie now.

675
00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:02.519
I love talking with you.

676
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:03.480
It's my favourite thing in the world.

677
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.559
I do miss the music.

678
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:06.840
Yeah, the music is so great.

679
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:08.760
Does have a huge sense of drama.

680
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.619
I mean, was it an orchestra?

681
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:11.159
They had.

682
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:11.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

683
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:14.280
Like a full orchestra, because it sounds like it.

684
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:15.480
Yeah, no, no.

685
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.340
It's really, really good.

686
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:19.800
Do you know?

687
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:21.059
I was gone about the design.

688
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.059
I do love whatever's going on in these consoles on the walls.

689
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.940
That's a little nebula over there.

690
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.320
Look, Star map.

691
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:29.940
It's very strange.

692
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.099
Basic, but it's pretty.

693
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:36.960
Well, I mean, we weren't singing and I'm sorry, I've got to stop going on about the next generation.

694
00:40:37.019 --> 00:40:37.559
Yeah, yeah.

695
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:51.900
What was that set in 90s trek where they all just appeared and all it was was these sort of like printed panels of barbains that all just flashed on and off at the same time?

696
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.179
Yeah, yeah, like so boring.

697
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:56.579
Nothing, just shiny surface.

698
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.079
No, no.

699
00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:07.380
And that's another thing now that they've got the money in discovery that all of those instrument panels look incredible because they're, you know, all holograms in the air and stuff.

700
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:08.579
It's really terrific.

701
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.739
And they even do that in Picard.

702
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.599
It's so funny though, isn't it?

703
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:15.059
Because, like, they obviously learnt their techniques here.

704
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.539
Oh, I suppose there's a massive gap between this and TNG.

705
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:22.500
And TV has just gone in in very different directions by then.

706
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:36.599
Yeah, I think, though, that they were right, weren't they, that the primary method for interacting with a computer becomes your finger on a touchscreen?

707
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.179
And they anticipated that.

708
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.760
So there are no physical buttons.

709
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.519
It is just a screen and they got...

710
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:46.500
The communicator is in TOS.

711
00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:48.239
A bit like a mobile phone, you know?

712
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:48.599
Yeah.

713
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:49.199
Yeah.

714
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.340
Well, they flick open.

715
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.239
But what it turns out is they're boring.

716
00:41:54.300 --> 00:42:01.320
And that's why, you know, the Delta Flyer has switches because switches, you can see people doing things. physical, yeah.

717
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:04.679
I have a question for you.

719
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:11.039
Can you tell me the Star Trek story that Decker's son appeared in?

720
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:15.840
So yeah, so it's Star Trek the Motion picture.

721
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.800
There's a character called Decker, and we mentioned him a couple of weeks ago.

722
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:26.039
Decker and I, Leah, who are kind of proto-Riker and Troy from that.

723
00:42:26.099 --> 00:42:28.920
I think they were going to be in phase 2 as well, weren't they?

724
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.059
Yeah, that's where they come from.

725
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:30.599
That's right.

726
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:41.519
And so in spinoff material, I think they say that Will Decker is Matt Decker's son.

727
00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:46.019
And Gene Roddenbury went on, he basically said, he confirmed that, you know?

728
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:46.440
Yeah.

729
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.599
And if the great bird in the sky says it.

730
00:42:48.659 --> 00:42:49.980
It must be true.

731
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.019
Look how he does it.

732
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:00.539
Look how he relieves him without breaking a sweat without raising his voice.

733
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.380
He's got his little post-it notes there in his hand.

734
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.380
Leonard Nemoy half in the shadow half in the light now.

735
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.420
Yeah, yeah. very striking.

736
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:12.900
He's just got that face.

737
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.059
You know, I watched a documentary recently, right?

738
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:21.480
That was about Leonard Nimoy, as it was filmed by his son, about his career.

739
00:43:21.539 --> 00:43:33.900
And you look at Nemoy in his previous career today, man, he was so beautiful. you know, but seeing him in things like jeans, you know, and slaps and things like that, it was so strange.

740
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:37.679
He's so good.

741
00:43:37.739 --> 00:43:39.420
He's such a great character.

742
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:41.159
No, I think I win.

743
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:48.059
We've said it before. there's obviously an unfortunate sexist leaning towards all the good stuff going to the men.

744
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:52.320
But the men they cast in TOS are brilliant.

745
00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:56.820
And De Forrest Kelly as well, who he delivers a line.

746
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.760
You know, I will say about Bob Picardo and Alvin Shimmerman.

747
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:02.219
I think Deforest Kelly hasn't beat, you know?

748
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:02.940
Yeah.

749
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:14.579
Well, in fact, it's a shame that that D isn't in this scene to watch, uh, to watch Spock effortlessly take over from Decca by relieving him of command.

750
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.360
You know, he was there earlier on waving his arms around, saying, do something.

751
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:20.099
And Spock does do something.

752
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.440
This fight sequence.

753
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:27.599
Okay, it's mostly shot. handheld with the occasional long shot.

754
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:29.219
It's really good.

755
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.780
Yeah, yeah.

756
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.099
It is great, isn't it?

757
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.960
And, like, you just assume that he's going to lose.

758
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:42.599
And, um, you know, this is, this is what I've said.

759
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.219
I've been myself with what he does now then.

760
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.380
Oh, yeah, they think absolutely.

761
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:46.980
Yeah.

762
00:44:47.039 --> 00:45:01.260
If he thought, I think it would be improved a little bit if he thought that he had a shot at damaging the weapon, but he does just seem to be flying into the, you know, like he doesn't quite redeem himself, he does just kind of kill himself.

763
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:02.820
Is he just committing suicide?

764
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:08.280
I think that the episode, like, as we've watched these things, we've given reading on how characters behave.

765
00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:14.219
I think this episode characterises him as a victim rather than a villain throughout, even when he's behaving appallingly.

766
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:23.699
Yeah, and they say that they're going to say that he died in the course of doing his duty and their right to do that because they understand what he's done and what he's gone through.

767
00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:40.860
And the fact that he continues to take the same course of action after he's relieved of duty, he's relieved of duty but still heads a ship into the machine. you know, just shows that he wasn't just being a reckless commander, he really thought this was the right thing to do.

768
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.719
Now, you have the fabric.

769
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.059
That ship looks all within the cells torn apart.

770
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.860
There is an incredible model shot in the original...

771
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.260
Oh, the shuttle leaving the enterprise.

772
00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:53.880
Of the shuttle leaving the enterprise.

773
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:55.139
So the shot off the shuttle bay.

774
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.739
It's a miniature shot and it is stunningly beautiful.

775
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.719
There's elements of the design that remains.

776
00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:03.119
Do we follow the shutter as it's going out then?

777
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:07.500
It's not quite as good as that, but we do see the shuttle rise and head off into the distance.

778
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:13.980
And so it's a less complex shot than what eventually makes it to air here in the remastered version.

779
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.019
There's a shut box.

780
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:16.679
Yeah.

781
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:19.019
I mean, that's pretty cool.

782
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.880
The way it heals as it comes up.

783
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:22.679
Yeah, the original one didn't do that.

784
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.840
No, the original one is much more symmetrical.

785
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:28.920
It is actually shot with you looking straight on out of the shuttle bay.

786
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:32.219
It's still the same basic design, but it's beautiful.

787
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.260
It's absolutely stunning.

788
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.340
I think these new effect shots are really, really good though.

789
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:39.360
I'm a fan.

790
00:46:39.420 --> 00:46:40.860
I am a fan of them.

791
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.739
And they did it to next gen as well.

792
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:49.920
Yeah, and it's certainly not work, you know, we shouldn't undersell what they could achieve. what they what they tried to achieve.

793
00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:52.079
You know, it's like it's like early Doctor Who.

794
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:53.519
They had the ambition.

795
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:57.059
And boy, did they, you know, have a good snap again?

796
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:08.880
But I think that perhaps the best argument against the new special effects is that it disrespects the work of all of these dedicated TV people.

797
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:16.260
Well, no, but I do think that that's I think that's a reasonable argument.

798
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:16.739
Yeah.

799
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.360
I think it is a reasonable argument.

800
00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:24.300
And I certainly feel that with that model shot, which I think was extraordinary and really, very beautiful, and I'm sorry, it's not in it.

801
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:26.820
Like, you know, if there's a way...

802
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:30.900
I know. of making this look good, then I agree.

803
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:31.980
Why would we do that?

804
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:33.300
No, exactly right.

805
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:33.780
Yeah.

806
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.360
Oh, you feel so sorry for it there.

807
00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:39.179
Yeah. ever since I killed my crew.

808
00:47:40.500 --> 00:47:42.539
Yeah, wow.

809
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:45.300
Camera is right in his face.

810
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.340
That actor is not afraid of that camera is he?

811
00:47:47.519 --> 00:48:06.719
I think too, maybe the fact, the description of what happened to his crew, I would have been terrified by that as a child, because I think it's conceptually you could understand it as a child. not complicated and it's conceptually terrifying, I think, if him sitting there helplessly listening to them, you know.

812
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:11.099
But also, I mean, God, if the cameras came...

813
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.940
But the idea of like flying into the unknown, you know?

814
00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:20.219
With that buildup of music, it's like, da, da, da.

815
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.380
It's it is terrifying.

816
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:23.400
Do you know what?

817
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.300
I said to you before that, um, Random trek.

818
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:27.780
What's his name?

819
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:32.099
Scott McNulty says that every episode of TOS basically could lose 10 minutes.

820
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.119
Not this much.

821
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:33.719
Not true.

822
00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:35.519
This is this is a tight script, you know?

823
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.159
Yeah, there's enough happening here.

824
00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:38.940
No.

825
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:46.380
There's a great, again, the special effects here on Decker's face have been updated.

826
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.480
We're about to get that shop.

827
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:50.460
And again, I think this is terrifying, this performance.

828
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:51.960
Absolutely.

829
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

830
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:58.199
And particularly in the original episode, you don't have the advantage of this incredible, impressive shot.

831
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:01.019
They've done things to that. deliver space, you know?

832
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:01.980
that's not original.

833
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.380
No, but you're thinking like, what the hell is happening to him?

834
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:05.219
Yeah.

835
00:49:05.219 --> 00:49:06.539
We never know.

836
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.579
Yeah, you do get that from the...

837
00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:14.159
I mean, it could be that he's actually transported inside and there's Clint Howard's character handing out Matronia.

838
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:15.119
Yeah, could be.

839
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:15.599
Never know.

840
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:16.500
Yeah, could be.

841
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:17.280
Tron your party.

842
00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:22.619
And now the Trunya.

843
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:30.719
I mean, I think, aside from the climax, that's the high point of the episode here.

844
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:32.219
Yeah, that's amazing.

845
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:33.239
It's just amazing.

846
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:35.099
And again, look at Kirk.

847
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.539
Look at Kirk.

848
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:37.679
Do you know what it's doing?

849
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:45.659
It's actually making, and I don't think Star Trek does this anywhere near as often as they should, it makes being out in space really scary.

850
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.980
What about that?

851
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.900
I think that line is beautiful.

852
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.480
May I console you on the death of your friend?

853
00:49:51.539 --> 00:49:54.300
Like Spock saying that to Kirk?

854
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.059
I think he's just beautiful.

855
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.340
He says is regrettable that he died for nothing.

856
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:05.340
But I think actually he couldn't go on living. that's right. what he did. exactly it.

857
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:05.820
Yeah.

858
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.800
And that's why he committed suicide.

859
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:19.139
Yeah, he tries to make it better by getting it right. this time with a new crew. when he can't do that because Spock relieves him of duty, then he just, you know, yeah.

860
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.179
You know what I think next Gem would do.

861
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.179
I think they would tell a similar-ish story.

862
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:31.320
Maybe the scale would be a little less epic, but I don't think they'd have, like, the intense, like, Decker's character.

863
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:36.539
I think it would just be the problem of the doomsday machine and lots of scenes in engineering with data enjoyed again.

864
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:37.619
How are we going to bring this thing down?

865
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:38.639
We take the bubble.

866
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:46.199
Well, except except that Star Trek, the Next Generation, does do the thing where you have the guest, the guest character come on.

867
00:50:46.260 --> 00:50:49.980
Probably not as often as it should, though, given there's 179 episodes.

868
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.000
But it doesn't, a reasonable amount of, you know, like, such amount of time.

869
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:56.099
We mentioned drumhead.

870
00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.679
No, it is a thing that they do.

872
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.539
And I think it often works really well.

873
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.639
And here, I think...

874
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.920
The one in the one in Silicon Abbas hole is a bit wooden.

875
00:51:07.980 --> 00:51:08.400
I think.

876
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:09.900
I actually quite like her.

877
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:15.960
I think that's, I don't know that it's a brilliant performance, but I actually don't mind that episode at all.

878
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:20.699
Do you remember when Admiral Satay goes, I brought down better...

879
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:21.480
So great.

880
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:30.119
Gene Simmons talking techno Babble is absolutely one of my favourite things that Star Trek has ever brought to me. wonderful.

881
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:31.320
That's true.

882
00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:32.519
She's really great in it.

883
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:33.599
Really properly good.

884
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:40.019
So now we've got 8 minutes. to bring this to a climax now.

885
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:46.079
Yeah, so those 2 engineering people have now been beamed back aboard.

886
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.500
It's so funny, this 32nd delay device.

887
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.360
Can you do a 32nd delay device?

888
00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:55.440
And then everyone goes, well, it's a bit tight, you know, and the transporters might not work.

889
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:58.559
And he doesn't go, well, okay, let's make it a minute.

890
00:51:58.619 --> 00:52:02.460
Yeah, like a minute, 90 seconds.

891
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.539
It doesn't really matter.

892
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.159
Minute's not gonna make any difference.

893
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:06.659
No worry, no.

894
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.760
They're trying to add some in-built suspense into the climax, alright?

895
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:12.900
Cut on some slack.

896
00:52:13.019 --> 00:52:14.579
My God.

897
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.619
Dramatic zoo on Leonard Nemoy.

898
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.119
But Jim, you'll be killed.

899
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:18.719
You be killed.

900
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:34.380
But I also think too, this is something that Star Trek the Next Generation does really effortlessly, but that Star Trek doesn't necessarily do it, which is the idea that you can just have normal conversations between characters who are in completely different locations and you forget how weird that is.

901
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.260
And you don't need them to hold phones.

902
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.500
I mean, he's holding the communicator, but in Star Trek, the next generation.

903
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.460
People in engineering routinely just have conversations with people on the bridge.

904
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:49.440
And I guess that having these 2 locations here where they're just constantly conversing.

905
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:54.659
They're constantly in contact made it seem more like a next generation episode to me.

906
00:52:54.719 --> 00:53:04.019
You said in the next generation, one of the joys of watching those episodes is that you're watching people be highly competent at their jobs, but there is a difference here.

907
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:04.559
I don't know.

908
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:17.760
It feels like it's a bit more edgy and it's a bit more last minute and they're all a bit braver and, you know, Kirk throws himself right into the heart of the action and it's him that's facing the Picard wouldn't be doing that.

909
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:25.199
No, well, I mean, they're almost never quite as up against the kind of, do you know what I mean?

910
00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:27.059
Like it's never quite as urgent as that.

911
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:34.920
This is still space problems, jury rigging things, fixing things, doing space things, and...

912
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.599
The stakes are higher, I think.

913
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:42.780
Because I think if we don't stop this thing, well, it's going to go off munching another load of planets could be Earth next.

914
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.579
Well, Rygel, they mentioned Rygel.

915
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:50.820
So they talk about the most populated place in the galaxy and obviously when...

916
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:51.480
I don't recall.

917
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.000
I'm sure we do an enterprise, probably.

918
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.559
So this is a Jeffrey's tube.

919
00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:00.420
It's not, is it?

920
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.280
Yeah, that's a Jeffreys tube.

921
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:04.380
And Jeffrey's tubes aren't YouTube.

922
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.099
Yeah.

923
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:17.400
So they're not referred to it in to it as that in dialogue in TOS, but they're known as that because they were designed by the designer who I want to call Matt Jeffries, but I could be wrong about that.

924
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:22.860
And then the name is now used in dialogue for any of the tubes like that in a Starfleet ship.

925
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:30.840
So that's the original Jeffreys tube there with Scotty trying to fix the whatever that feeds into the transporter.

926
00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:35.159
You know what the Voyager version of this was, don't you?

927
00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:37.559
The Omega directive.

928
00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:41.880
It was just a tiny little particle that could potentially destroy the entire universe.

929
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:43.920
Yes, that's right.

930
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:46.559
Compared to this planet eating machine.

931
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.239
Well, that's the, that's more about the...

932
00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:52.920
I think we should be honest.

933
00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:54.179
There ain't nothing subtle about this.

934
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:56.579
No, no, I don't care.

935
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:57.719
Oh my god.

936
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:05.699
We are about to get up to the that Shatner line reading, which is just the most perfect thing in the whole world.

937
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.639
It is absolutely laugh out loud funny.

938
00:55:08.699 --> 00:55:10.980
Most look straight out the camera and goes, now, please.

939
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:15.599
He's sort of half smiling as well, like, this is incredibly tense.

940
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:17.820
He's doing a fantastic job.

941
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.199
He's not camping it up.

942
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:24.659
He's not making fun of it when he does it like this when he gives a comic line reading.

943
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.420
He's not undermining the tension in the scene.

944
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:33.059
He's not mugging to camera, but it's really, really good.

945
00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:34.679
It's hilariously funny.

946
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:35.820
It adds a little bit of character.

947
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.980
It's a pretty tense moment.

948
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.539
It's awesome.

949
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.099
It's such a strange choice.

950
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:47.820
I have seen this done in other things, you know, when you're in the climax and it's like, ah, you know, in a 2nd now.

951
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:55.019
Gentlemen, beam me aboard. 20 seconds, my friend, my God.

952
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.460
And look, the Enterprise is going straight into the path of the doomsday machine.

953
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:03.780
The transporter pad is blowing up all over the place.

954
00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:05.340
I mean it's all happening.

955
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.300
And I'll tell you now that orchestra is going fucking crazy right now.

956
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.199
Shutter looking at the thing.

957
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.380
Just how he underplays it.

958
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:19.679
We've talked about him chewing the scenery, but he's so underplaying it.

959
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:20.699
It's so magical.

960
00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:22.320
13.

961
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.539
Gentlemen, I said, you should be me a board.

962
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:28.980
Nine, eight, seven.

963
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:29.940
Mr. Scott.

964
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:34.860
Oh my god, he's still there at four.

965
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.420
Oh my god, look at that Charlie Enprise silhouetted by the machine.

966
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.820
Amazing Isn't that the Constitution?

967
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.079
Not the Enterprise.

968
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:48.539
No, the constellation.

969
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:49.500
Sorry, constellation.

970
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.539
There we go.

971
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.000
It's having a giant vomit announced dead.

972
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.000
It really doesn't remind me of you.

973
00:56:57.059 --> 00:56:59.579
Yeah, that probe in Star Trek, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.

974
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:00.119
Yeah, yeah.

975
00:57:00.179 --> 00:57:01.019
Yeah.

976
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:01.679
Yeah.

977
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:02.519
Does remind me of that.

978
00:57:02.579 --> 00:57:06.179
No, I think I think they're absolutely roofing on that.

979
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.139
Except this isn't a comedy yomp with George and Gracie, is it?

980
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:10.920
No.

981
00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:14.219
Well, that's my...

982
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.760
When we were one of the films, if we don't get that one, I'll be very disappointed.

983
00:57:17.820 --> 00:57:18.480
Yeah, yeah.

984
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:20.699
Yeah, we could just roll until we do get that one.

985
00:57:21.300 --> 00:57:23.880
And people would call that cheating, you know.

986
00:57:23.940 --> 00:57:25.739
It's still part of the rules.

987
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.719
The rules publish.

988
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:28.920
Sorry for the doctor 2 reference.

989
00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:31.619
It does look a bit like a cyber map floating through space now, doesn't it?

990
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.719
So it looks a bit less segmented the original model.

991
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.380
And the original model seems more visibly dead.

992
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:49.559
I don't know whether they repainted or substituted with a new one, but it sells it as dead in a way that maybe this one doesn't quite so much.

993
00:57:49.619 --> 00:57:50.940
You know what?

994
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.159
It's so impressive about this episode, right?

995
00:57:53.219 --> 00:58:01.440
is B for B. They got every moment, like perfect. and it would so easily for something to go wrong.

996
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:02.940
The music was shit.

997
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.800
The performance of Decca wasn't right.

998
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:06.780
Shatner was playing it up.

999
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.300
I know, they threw in a comedy subplot.

1000
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:14.099
Although here is a here is a slightly over egg.

1001
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.559
Christian was paying attention.

1002
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.360
Yeah.

1003
00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:24.420
So by the way, kids at home, this is an analogue for the H bomb.

1004
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:32.820
This comes straight out of Sabrina, the teenage witch, anyway, when she looks straight out of the audience. that's right Does it end on a joke?

1005
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:33.599
can't remember.

1006
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:34.980
Yeah, it does.

1007
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:35.699
Yeah, there it is.

1008
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:36.179
That the joke.

1009
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:37.500
It's a crap joke as well.

1010
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.300
Do we get one quite sufficient?

1011
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.500
There he is.

1012
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:40.980
There he is.

1013
00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:49.019
No, we don't get the musical thing, but we do get a little crappy smirk from Shatner to end the episode.

1014
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:51.119
And now we're off on other adventures.

1015
00:58:51.179 --> 00:59:04.679
I think I can answer your question now then, as to why, like, we think this is so good compared to other space problem episodes, is I just think it is flawlessly executed.

1016
00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:05.699
The whole thing.

1017
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.159
It's really well done.

1018
00:59:08.219 --> 00:59:10.440
Nothing goes wrong in this one.

1019
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.079
No, I don't think anything does.

1020
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:23.219
And I think there's a good guest performance, like a really properly good guest performance, a comprehensible situation.

1021
00:59:24.659 --> 00:59:26.159
Simple.

1022
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:27.840
Yeah. very dramatic.

1023
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.059
And it still is space problems.

1024
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:35.760
You know, I just think that maybe the scale of it and the potential consequences make a difference.

1025
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:39.300
And the countdown and stuff.

1026
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:44.400
But I think the space problems thing is not a flaw.

1027
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.739
It's a strength, this episode.

1028
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:52.440
And because they build up a threat as something so kind of chaotic and so dangerous.

1029
00:59:52.559 --> 01:00:04.380
If they don't get this right, there are massive consequences. not only is it about people being competent, they have to be competent at their jobs in this, otherwise. solar system is doomed.

1030
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:06.239
Yeah, yeah, that's Rigel.

1031
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:08.099
Do you know those Rigelians?

1032
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:15.239
I want to say, because last week, I looked at the next generation, drew back an arrow and pierced its heart.

1033
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:22.619
This week, I want to do the same thing, but I've got to say, doing this with you on Titled Star Trek project.

1034
01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:29.400
I don't think I have ever appreciated how good TOS can be. at its best.

1035
01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:37.320
You know, I think I actually, I think I wrote it off a little bit as being, you know, old-fashioned too long, hammy.

1036
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:37.739
Yeah.

1037
01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:48.599
But actually, the episodes that we've covered so far, Spectra of the Gun, Dune Stay Machine, Corman White maneuver, they've been really, really great episodes of TV and Spock's playing.

1038
01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:51.300
Yeah, obviously I was leaving that one up.

1039
01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:53.880
We laughed a lot during that one as well.

1040
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:56.699
Yeah, it was also boring though.

1041
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:14.940
Yeah, look, I think that this version of Star Trek can face plant and can do it spectacularly, and there are often episodes that are really not very good, but do you not think that when the next generation is bland, it's really tedious.

1042
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.840
When TOS is bland, it's still terrific fun.

1043
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:24.119
I think that there's a problematic relationship between NextGen and TOS.

1044
01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:31.019
And I think you can see it in the insistence that next generation has no Vulcans in it for a while.

1045
01:01:31.139 --> 01:01:32.519
Like they, you know.

1046
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:46.559
And I think, that it is that it really, really wants to differentiate itself from its parent show and in a way it's kind of embarrassed by the parent show.

1047
01:01:46.619 --> 01:01:48.480
That's the weird thing, though.

1048
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:49.619
I think you're right.

1049
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:54.539
It is a little bit humiliated about how campy that is.

1050
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:55.559
Yeah.

1051
01:01:55.619 --> 01:02:01.679
But the weird result is by treating it also seriously, and there's still an absurd situations.

1052
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:04.019
It's even more embarrassing.

1053
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.500
First season, next generation is humiliating to watch.

1054
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:18.719
Yeah, it's not like they that by kind of trying to distance themselves from the original series they managed to create flawlessly grown up and sensible drama.

1055
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:24.300
They were looking at, let there be our last battlefield and say, well, that's very embarrassing.

1056
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.340
Half black, half, white faces.

1057
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.800
We're going to do Planet of the African people instead.

1058
01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:32.519
Oh my God, you know, like, I know which one I'd rather watch.

1059
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:33.119
Yeah.

1060
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:43.920
And I think that Deep Space 9 is not that, like Deep Space 9 loves original Trek and absolutely references it.

1061
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:45.780
It's wrong and Ira band.

1062
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:47.400
Massive fans.

1063
01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:48.960
And so they're always drinking.

1064
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:49.739
In one episode.

1065
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:53.159
Odo goes into the bar when he's Curzon Dax.

1066
01:02:53.219 --> 01:02:55.260
When you know when Jadz does that, Rachel.

1067
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.900
And he goes into the bar and goes, 2 tronions, please.

1068
01:02:58.260 --> 01:03:02.280
And they do references like that all the time to TOS.

1069
01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:08.880
Well, and, you know, like they've got the original Cleons back as sort of guest characters and stuff like that.

1070
01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:15.179
So I think that they're that they're more into it. trials and tribulations Yeah, of course.

1071
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.800
The ultimate love layers, TOS.

1072
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:17.400
Yeah.

1073
01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:26.760
And then and then I think, you know, enterprise has a weird relationship with with TOS where it starts season.

1074
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.480
Yeah.

1075
01:03:27.539 --> 01:03:35.099
Well, I think it just starts off as a sequel to 1st contact and that Berman and Braga aren't really interested in original Star Trek.

1076
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:40.739
And then when Manikoto takes over and no one gives a shit anymore and they probably cancelled.

1077
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:47.820
They do they do that 2 part um mirror universe episode and then deck everyone out in original series costume.

1078
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.420
It's amazing.

1079
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:49.019
Good.

1080
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:52.980
And then like you say, Kurtzman Trek just loves all of Star Trek.

1081
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.199
And they especially love the original series.

1082
01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:58.380
They go back to Talos 4, whatever it's called.

1083
01:03:58.380 --> 01:03:59.219
Yeah, yeah.

1084
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.920
The cage. you know, in a fantastic episode.

1085
01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:02.880
Yeah.

1086
01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:08.880
And I think that there's no way that the DMA isn't inspired by the Doomsday machine.

1087
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:14.760
So, and again, they're halfway through that season, people were saying, is it the doomsday machine?

1088
01:04:14.820 --> 01:04:16.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:16.559
Yeah.

1090
01:04:16.619 --> 01:04:19.260
And it's clearly not, but it's clearly inspired by it.

1091
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:34.800
And, you know, the big central thing at the end of series 4 is that this thing is heading towards Earth and Navarre and that's the same problem that we're experiencing here with a doomsday machine heading towards Rygel and we have a, like, countdown and stuff.

1092
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:40.980
And I think Discovery Series 4 is really effective and maybe the best season so far.

1093
01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:44.699
And it definitely lifts ideas from this.

1094
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:49.500
So, swinging it back to the doomsday machine, then, yeah.

1095
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.679
I'm going to do a definitive answer to your question now.

1096
01:04:52.739 --> 01:05:03.420
The reason why this is so good compared to others is it's not contend to simply be, you know, a passable space procedural, which it could have been.

1097
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.920
It's aspiring to be bloody good TV and it is.

1098
01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:32.219
Yeah All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode, and I'm here at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser, and I have my finger hovering over the button, and I have no stipulation for the upcoming episode, except that it is going to be animated.

1099
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:33.480
Oh, what?

1100
01:05:33.539 --> 01:05:34.320
You're going...

1101
01:05:34.380 --> 01:05:36.239
Oh, it's lower decks or the animated series.

1102
01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:37.380
Or prodigy.

1103
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.360
Oh, how interesting.

1104
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:41.400
We haven't done that before.

1105
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:43.380
I mean, I'm going to say one, Pino.

1106
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.579
I don't imagine it's gonna be better than what we've watched today.

1107
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:47.940
No.

1108
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.559
Roll it and we'll see.

1109
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:50.820
We'll see what happens.

1110
01:05:51.719 --> 01:06:03.239
The jihad, your random Star Trek, the animated series, episode is the jihad, nearly no way that's not going to be racist, but I haven't the faintest idea what it is.

1111
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.260
Oh dear.

1112
01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:05.099
No idea.

1113
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.480
All right, let's roll it again.

1114
01:06:06.539 --> 01:06:07.199
Okay.

1115
01:06:07.260 --> 01:06:08.579
Maybe this wasn't such a good idea.

1116
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:11.699
Time amuck. we done that?

1117
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:13.619
Yeah, that's what we did.

1118
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:14.579
That's right.

1119
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:16.619
That's never happened before.

1120
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.679
We've actually never rolled one before that we've already done.

1121
01:06:19.739 --> 01:06:22.679
We should just go with it and do an animated series episode.

1122
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.539
We've got to do it at some point, all right?

1123
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:24.960
Yeah.

1124
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:35.340
Okay, your random Star Trek, the animated series, episode is the time trap, season one, episode 12.

1125
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:37.619
The time travel?

1126
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:38.400
That sounds amazing.

1127
01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:41.039
You know, I think calls in this episode.

1128
01:06:41.099 --> 01:06:42.719
Oh, you do not.

1129
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:45.539
You just looked it up on Memory Alpha.

1130
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.699
And then I edited that bit out.

1131
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.079
We had no idea.

1132
01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:52.980
Excuse me, I think you're happy to edit these episodes to make yourself look really clever.

1133
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:57.300
Well, no, I did admit to editing out myself looking. looking something up.

1134
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.460
Something like fairly reasonable.

1135
01:06:59.460 --> 01:07:04.860
They're off into an unknown region of space that has the word.

1136
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:06.659
The Delphic expanse.

1137
01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:09.360
Delta the Delta Quadrant, the Delta Square.

1138
01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:10.920
Delta Triangle.

1139
01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:11.400
Yeah.

1140
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:12.119
Yeah.

1141
01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:15.360
Well, because the Bermuda Triangle was huge in the 70s when this was out.

1142
01:07:15.420 --> 01:07:17.880
So this is a space Bermuda triangle, I think.

1143
01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:20.880
And we have, you know, who knows?

1144
01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:23.099
It's probably going to be really terrible but let's do it.

1145
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:24.719
I think is going to be incredible.

1146
01:07:24.780 --> 01:07:26.639
It's the animated series.

1147
01:07:26.699 --> 01:07:27.539
Are they shorter episodes?

1148
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:29.039
Yeah, they're about 30 minutes.

1149
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:30.239
Oh, okay.

1150
01:07:30.300 --> 01:07:31.739
So a bit like...

1151
01:07:31.739 --> 01:07:33.539
Lower decks and...

1152
01:07:33.539 --> 01:07:43.260
Yeah, so lower decks and prodigy tend to come in at about 25 minutes, you know, which is a normal half hour episode length, you know, with ads or whatever.

1153
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.239
So this is slightly longer than that.

1154
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:46.619
And it is simpler.

1155
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:48.239
It is pitched at children, I think.

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And we don't think that's a bad thing.

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I think it will be interesting to contrast the animated series, pitch to children and prodigy, pitch of children and see what they were going for in those 2 different eras.

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One thing I can predict is we're probably going to laugh a lot.

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Yeah, let's hope so.

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You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

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You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 12th of April, 2022 and released on the 29th of April.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, The Time Track.