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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we had what I can only call a stroke of extreme good fortune

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last time we met in that on our 1st go, we rolled the 1994 Star

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Trek, The Next Generation Classic Sub-Rosa.

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Well, I'd say we defied all olds and good sense because you said

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to me whilst I was staring at my screen in astonishment, is it sub

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brosa?

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, I just approved to you that it was.

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I had to hold it up to the screen.

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I didn't think you were going to believe me.

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And I do find it very strange that of the 900 Star Trek episodes

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you actually picked the one that gave me that look of

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astonishment.

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Well, there you go.

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JavaScript, a magical thing.

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I'm going to tell you something now, Nathan, my look of

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astonishment did not stop the entire 45 minutes.

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I watched this episode.

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So like, I have to say that I think some of the hatred for this

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episode, and before I finish that sentence, let me just say, it is

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a bad episode.

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Okay.

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I'm going that terrible.

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It's terrible on a level.

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I suppose we watch a bit of television and you just can't wait

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like thinking, what were they thinking?

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So clearly they're trying to do sort of Gothic romance, and it's a

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story by Jerry Taylor, who will be executive producer of Voyager

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any minute now at this point.

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And she will introduce a holiday program based on Rebecca, you

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know, the mysterious Lord Farfavar.

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Do you know what his name is?

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Burley, Burley.

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Burley, who has his name?

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Oh, anyway, doesn't he?

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No, no, no, it is in like 2 or 3 episodes and they don't do

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anything with it.

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It's not a running storyline.

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It's just, Jane, we're getting her rocks off playing governess.

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It's very strange.

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But I think what's happening is that Gothic romance novels are

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traditionally women's concerns.

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And so I think some of the scorn that gets heaped on this episode

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is because it's a romance instead of having space battles and guns

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and stuff.

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So there's a sort of level of contempt for that sort of girly

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stuff.

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Now, I think this fucks it up mightily and absolutely makes

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Beverly seem like a massive idiot.

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So I don't think this is a great moment in the history of

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feminism.

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They do have absolute contempt for this because they don't just

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run it as a Gothic fantasy.

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They give every single, like, supernatural thing in this, a

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technobabble explanation.

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And I know it's an episode of Star Trek.

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But if you're going to go for this, just go for it, you know?

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Yeah, but 90 Star Trek's never going to do that.

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I think even probably later iterations of Star Trek would have

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struggled to do that.

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They have had things that are unexplained.

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Remember the Royale, the other much loved episode of Star Trek, The

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Next Generation from series 2, was it Gothic fantasy though, was

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it?

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No, no, no, but no explanations given for why there is a casino on

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that gas giant or whatever or why they could lift there or who

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made it or what's going on.

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Do you know what?

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I can't wait till we get to that one because that one had such a

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trouble that the, it was beaten out of shape from what it was

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originally, what Tracy Tormay wrote to what ended up on screen.

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That's like one of the most troubled episodes of Star Trek ever

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probably what I turned out so terrible, honest.

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But do you know what?

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we have to say one thing, right?

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We do have to say one thing about Sub Rosa.

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And that is Gates McFadden, who is extraordinarily appallingly

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wonderful in this.

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Yeah.

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Like, like, if you're going to be handed an episode where, you

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know, essentially you're wanking off to nothing.

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You just got to go for it, haven't you?

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And she really does.

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If she'd been visibly embarrassed by the material, no one would

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have blamed her, I think, but it would have made the whole thing a

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lot less enjoyable, and she certainly absolutely goes for it.

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And, you know, her default mode is very wooden and very exposition

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heavy.

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And so getting her to do something else.

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Actually, I think often works, not here, but at least it gets us

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to see her doing something pretty incredible.

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It's very strange though, isn't it?

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They do have this thing in genre television where they want people

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to have orgasms to nothing.

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You remember that episode of Buffy, when I was at wall in the

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house, and then whenever anyone touched it, they had an insane

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orgasm.

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Oh my god, no.

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Yeah, that was in like series 4 and everyone's doing like writhing

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orgasm.

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Oh no.

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And then, of course, you had the game in series 5 when they played

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when they got to the next level.

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And there's Nurse Gower in the turbo list going, nutting in the

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turbo list.

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You know, like...

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But you know what?

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I'll tell you what, something that really stood out from the next

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because I think this is supposed to be super sexy, this episode

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yeah.

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It really isn't at all, is it?

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It's just a bit gross.

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Yeah, I think it is a bit gross.

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And I think, you know, like we're not the audience.

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I mean, even though we're gay men, and so we're into men, right

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that is not at all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if anyone home knows that.

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This, you know, He's not Colin Firth, I can tell you that.

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And he is sort of creepy and massively unlikeable.

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And as Picard points out, Beverly under his influence is also

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massively unlikeable.

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So the whole thing doesn't really go anywhere.

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So, like, yeah, there's failure all over the place, I think.

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Well, and let's not forget, this is our 3rd episode from series 7

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of the next generation.

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Like we have been rolling a lot of series.

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And it just, it ain't great, is it?

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This season is not great.

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And this is a show that has proven itself across it 7 years now.

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Yeah.

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Oh, what is going wrong?

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Oh, why they're churning out this bloody nonsense. halfway through

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the last year.

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You know?

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I have a feeling that they're busy with pre-production on Voyager

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and Generations and they're also running Deep Space 9 and I think

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they've taken their eye off the ball.

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Absolutely.

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And Ron Moore says himself, we just didn't know what to do with

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these characters anymore.

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They just weren't well defined enough.

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And so, you know, we're going to put them in incredibly, you know

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data's going to have nightmares and Beverly Crusher's gonna fuck a

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ghost and, you know, the magical brick and holodeck.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, I love that one actually.

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Awful episode.

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Oh, it's one of my least favourites.

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Look, before we go in, right, can I can I assault you with some

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sound bites from the production group?

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Please do.

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Because everyone's got an opinion on subbrosa after the after it

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was released.

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Okay, so Brandon Bragger says, I've come to notice that whenever

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you infuse a show with sexual themes, some of the fans seem to

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short circuit.

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Yeah, that's not the reason, Brennan.

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No.

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It's Gene Roddenbury.

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I tell you what, he would be pumping Star Trek full of sex, wasn't

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he?

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And loving it.

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Renee Echivaria says every woman on the lot who read it was coming

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up to Brannan and patting him, like congratulating him on this.

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Yeah, I can see the look of pain on your face.

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But, you know, there is, you know, that is kind of what I touched

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on it is at least an episode that kind of touches on what are

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traditionally women's concerns.

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It's just that it fucks it up so badly.

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Ronald D. Moore says, I kind of like it, and he's not one to not

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criticise Star Trek when it goes wrong.

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I thought it was good to try a different genre on TNG and mix

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things up a little.

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It's not a perfect show by any means but I'm glad we did it.

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I reckon that's fair.

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The retailer says the lovemaking without a partner.

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This is not easy stuff to do, and Gates commits herself to it

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absolutely.

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Well, that is absolutely 100% true.

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But my favourite soundbite of all is Brandon Bragger again.

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Where he goes, it was the best performance I've ever seen.

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I thought she did a wonderful job.

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Picard catches Beverly masturbating for crying out loud.

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What a tough role to play.

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When I was writing the words, she arrives around in bed, having

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invisible sex.

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I just thought, oh man, we're asking for trouble.

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Are we going to be able to pull this off?

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But thanks to director Jonathan Frase and Gates.

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It's not hokey.

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Oh jeez.

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I mean, this is the reason that 90s trek is so bad at sex.

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It's these people in charge of it.

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If you think about Michael and Ash or Michael and Book in

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Discovery.

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They, you know, like their sexual relationship is hot and isn't

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embarrassing and it's treated like a relationship between 2

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adults.

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It's not this sophomoric bullshit where you've got a middle-aged

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man writing a scene where Gates McFadden gets to pretend to flick

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herself off while her boss walks in.

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Like, that's, Jesus Christ, that's so bad.

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The best quote of always, though, Braga goes, even Rick Berman

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said, I can't believe we're doing this.

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If Rick Bowen thinks it's too much, well then, yeah, maybe we've

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gone over a cliff somewhere, you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, I think we should watch it, but I think we should make it

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clear that we have established that the problem here is 100

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Brennan Braga.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I think, you know what?

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I think the script is written and they do their best with it.

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But, yeah.

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What else could they do with this?

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You know, like, they do, they, I mean, we're going to talk about

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this.

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They do put a bit of money on the screen, I think.

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There's an attempt.

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Oh, okay, well, you'll get there.

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We're going to have a fight.

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Yeah, okay.

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Oh, well, let's go into it, shall we?

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All right.

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I'm desperate to watch Beverly Crusher masturbating.

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I don't think that sentence has ever been uttered before.

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By a gay man.

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Here we go.

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Well, by anyone.

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Here we go.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You missed the opportunity then to do that in a cod Scottish

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accent.

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So tell me what you think of this set.

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I love it.

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I love this whole set and I, well, not so much this shot, although

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he does shoot it from interesting angles.

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It's just a bit different from the norm.

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It ain't your usual stock forest set.

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Like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer would do graveyard sets, and I

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think this is better than the ones that they do in Buffy.

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In fact, there's one bit later on where the cameras are back and

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there's a wide angle and you've got like all trees in the

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background and like what looks like an entire church.

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Like, they've got a big space to work in.

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And I think they light it quite well as well and go on.

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Tell me why it's terrible.

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No, no.

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I agree with you.

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I think that they do do...

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Oh, look, that looks so shit though.

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Look at that shot.

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It just looks like a daytime soap opera. why the fuck can't we

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just go outside?

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Do you know where there are churches that you don't have to build

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out of fibreglass outside?

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This is a daytime soap. are you talking about?

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I think that they I think they get reasonably good at making these

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sets and at lighting them.

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And I remember thinking, uh, um, hollow pursuits, you know, the

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holiday set there.

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I remember thinking the inner lights is well lid.

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It's entirely indoors.

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You know, that shot... now and again, you know that.

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You know that colony set that they have that they use in every

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show.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Every now and again, they like that really and shoot it extremely

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good.

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Look at the, look at the red sky in the background.

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I'm getting total kind of spectre of the gun vibe.

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Season one, TNG all over again.

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Okay, well, while the title music's playing, I need to ask you

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planet of the Scottish people.

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Oh Jesus Christ.

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Like, I want like, firstly, it's sort of fetishising Britain

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right?

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Why the fuck don't they go to a planet which has based itself on

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Tasmania?

283
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Yeah?

284
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Why do we do that?

285
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And the planet?

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New Adelaide.

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You're not going to have a Gothic romance set in Tasmania, are

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you?

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Maybe, maybe you could, where they're all related to one another.

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I do think there is this romanticised idea of Great Britain, you

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know?

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And whenever these sort of episodes hit in America.

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It generally is British actors they pull in to play the romantic

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heroes, isn't it?

295
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For some reason, the sort of Colin Fur types.

296
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this guy's American.

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And the guy Ned Quint, who's warning them, he was born in Dublin

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he's Irish.

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So I don't think anyone Scottish has been involved.

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Maybe they walked out early on or something.

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I mean, the only thing they don't have. is black pudding in this

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you know, like is at one point he goes, oh, no, the fog's coming

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in.

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We're going to have to cancel the cable tossing tournament

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tomorrow.

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That's it.

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We're going to have to cancel the pub brawl, the brawl in a pub

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car park contest.

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No, they do that in Fairhaven, didn't they?

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Irish Town.

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Jesus Christ.

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I mean, okay, there is, but there is this thing, and I, I, it does

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annoy me, and I don't think any American show in the 90s is exempt

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that whenever they're looking in this direction, and they're

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putting it on the screen.

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Um, it's just awful and it's every cliche imaginable, you know?

318
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Now, I've talked about Doctor Who looking in the other direction

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and getting it all completely wrong, but it's very humbling when

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people are looking at Britain and delving into stereotypes.

321
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Oh, can I just say one thing, right?

322
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I really, no, the dialogue's terrible.

323
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Don't get me wrong.

324
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But I do like the chemistry between Gates McFadden and Marina

325
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Surtis.

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And they're getting a bit more stuff together as well, you know?

327
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Yeah.

328
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So, Ronan is here in dialogue 35 years old.

329
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I think he looks my age.

330
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There we go.

331
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And it turns out he's 50.

332
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No, he's not.

333
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He's he's 42 at this point.

334
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But he just looks really rough.

335
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Like he doesn't look like a young man.

336
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He looks younger later when he's Chicago.

337
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Yeah, maybe it's the outfit.

338
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Stupid hair.

339
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Does he have stupid hair as a car?

340
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Uh, Yeah, he's got he has got that kind of romanticised wavy.

341
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I've just put a lot of shampoo in my hair. look.

342
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Can you just look at this set properly, please?

343
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Look at how terrible it is.

344
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Look at they've got a bit of wind going through the trees.

345
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There's some...

346
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There's some shots later on. point them out to you when he shoots

347
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this set really, really well.

348
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Okay, maybe you're doing the best job in the wedding.

349
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But at least it's not on the ship and, you know, like, yeah, yeah

350
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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

351
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It's different from the norm.

352
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And you can say that about this episode a lot.

353
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So I don't know what this guy is doing.

354
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Like, this guy has extra nostrils.

355
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He's a massive.

356
00:16:03.779 --> 00:16:05.039
Yeah, it's like, what are we doing?

357
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It's like, we've done all the sensible things we can do with latex

358
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at this and we've done Varia.

359
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And so now we're doing this guy with a face like a pig into extra

360
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nostrils.

361
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It happens when they get truly desperate when they've run out of

362
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all ideas.

363
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You know what you get, don't you?

364
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Oh, they paint them blue or something.

365
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Oh, you get the bone mole and the white coat angers.

366
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Oh Jesus Christ.

367
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I will never, ever not put in a reference to that.

368
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The boat bar, right?

369
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Yeah.

370
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I mean, we had the Cardassians in their stupid head harnesses.

371
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What do you think of the old dress uniform?

372
00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:45.000
Um, Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad they don't use it too much in DS9 or

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Voyager.

374
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I want to, they look, all looks like they're wearing dresses.

375
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There's nothing wrong with that.

376
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They get rid of like it.

377
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Look at these two.

378
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Like they're coming into the house now.

379
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This is a nice dress uniform.

380
00:16:55.500 --> 00:16:58.200
Yeah, yeah, but it's, yeah.

381
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Well, maybe maybe I'm just spoiled because the dreary TNG sets are

382
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so boring normally, you know?

383
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So this just feels a bit more visually interesting.

384
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When they go outside.

385
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You know, think about, I don't know, what's the, what's the, is it

386
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futures past, future imperfect?

387
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What's like, what's the one?

388
00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.680
No, what's the one in Voyager with Sarah Silverman?

389
00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:27.960
Oh, Futures End, yeah.

390
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Futures end.

391
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You know, they go outside.

392
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It's fun.

393
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You know, go outside.

394
00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.099
Oh, don't you even pretend that Voyage Rain above giving us the

395
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inside.

396
00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.259
Oh, no, I know.

397
00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

398
00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.019
You're just saying they should go outside more.

399
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Yes.

400
00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:43.980
No, because they're spending too much money on these expensive

401
00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:46.559
actors in their regular cars, you know?

402
00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:49.200
They didn't cast expensive eggs.

403
00:17:49.259 --> 00:17:50.640
Every time she said nana.

404
00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:51.960
And I had the subtitles on.

405
00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:53.160
I kept hearing seeing Nan.

406
00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:53.940
You're thinking of.

407
00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:54.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

408
00:17:54.839 --> 00:18:00.180
But I did notice, um, the last time I watched TNG through, they

409
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they, they made a concerted effort to give the women of the show

410
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the 2 women a bit more time together.

411
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And I did like that, and I was like, I, I kind of couldn't, but

412
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the dialogue is very, very short, neighbours, isn't it?

413
00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:18.960
Yeah, but it's also a man riding for women as well.

414
00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.299
That doesn't have to be terrible though.

415
00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:25.440
I mean, no, but most TV, I think you're fine.

416
00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.799
Most television across the ages is men, right, and for women.

417
00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:34.740
Yeah, but like it's, it's Brandon Braga writing for women about

418
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sex.

419
00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:37.920
It's just never, ever going to come off well.

420
00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:40.259
He should stick to space anomalies.

421
00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:44.400
I love the bit later on where they're doing their, um, well

422
00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.640
they're going off to do their leotard, what's it called?

423
00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:51.180
Aerobics. and shoot boxer red in the dog goes, hi, Bev.

424
00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:57.000
I actually like this bit of her performance.

425
00:18:57.059 --> 00:19:00.960
I think she's actually selling what Beverly's feelings. come home

426
00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:02.039
from her nana's funeral.

427
00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:04.259
She's surrounded by...

428
00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.059
Yeah, she's sad.

429
00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.059
Like she wraps herself up in the thing.

430
00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.319
It's underplate.

431
00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:11.220
It goes for quite a while.

432
00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:12.299
There's no dialogue.

433
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:13.980
Here's her noticing the journal.

434
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.599
Don't read the journal, Beverly.

435
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.880
It is astonishing, though, right?

436
00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:20.400
It is astonishing to think this is directed by the same guy who

437
00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.900
directed 1st contact, isn't he?

438
00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:23.039
Yeah, yeah.

439
00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:23.700
Yeah.

440
00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:28.740
But again, you know, this is just domestic concerns. and I think

441
00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:30.539
Star Trek doesn't do enough of it.

442
00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.079
I think here it does it very badly, but I'd love to see more of

443
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this stuff.

444
00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:39.299
Almost willing to believe that's the same staircase, staircase

445
00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:41.039
that they use for that colony set, you know.

446
00:19:41.099 --> 00:19:42.900
They're just dressed around there.

447
00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:43.920
Oh, here's it.

448
00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.859
Oh, this man, he's like, oh, Beverly Crusher.

449
00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.859
There's no good at staying in this house, is there?

450
00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:51.420
But he's Irish.

451
00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.420
He doesn't do a Scottish accent anymore convincingly than you do.

452
00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.200
My name's Ford, all right?

453
00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:02.400
Irish.

454
00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:06.000
Do you see that shot there?

455
00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:10.079
Okay, I'm reaching here, but there was a lovely shot of Beverly in

456
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the mirror there behind him.

457
00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:11.759
Did you see that?

458
00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:14.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

459
00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:20.099
I mean, this is like, candle I bought nothing but misery, Nathan.

460
00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:25.380
Yeah, look, complaining about the cliches here is missing the

461
00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:26.819
point, isn't it?

462
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.220
Oh, no, you got to have these scenes.

463
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:30.119
Yeah, yeah.

464
00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:34.920
It's it's putting it in this environment where you've got to

465
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establish what sort of genre we're in.

466
00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:39.720
Yeah, it's like, you know, all the, it's like anything in that

467
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:40.019
nation.

468
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.500
Like, oh, you know, we don't have strangers ear when, yeah, yeah

469
00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:43.680
yeah.

470
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:44.400
And things like that.

471
00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:45.660
Yeah, you've gone out.

472
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.240
Last week where it was, leave me.

473
00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:49.200
I'm just holding you back.

474
00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.359
That was so wonderful.

475
00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:53.460
Rebecca.

476
00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:58.559
It's telling you what genre we know. telling you what sort of

477
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story it's telling.

478
00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:00.960
Oh, God. okay.

479
00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:03.900
Every single time we head back to the Enterprise. my brain just

480
00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:04.380
switched off.

481
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.799
Oh, they're talking, it's taking the babble the whole time, giving

482
00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.599
excuses for what's going on on the planet.

483
00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:11.700
Yeah, yeah.

484
00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.380
And it could just be a space thing.

485
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.960
It could just be, we don't know, it's a space thing.

486
00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:17.279
That would be fine.

487
00:21:18.059 --> 00:21:22.619
No, I would literally rather have more scenes of Beverly Crusher

488
00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:25.559
flicking herself off than to this day of Apple, honestly.

489
00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:29.700
Well, maybe it's a variety of characters coming into the room.

490
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.279
LeVar Burton's had a smart haircut there.

491
00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:35.400
Yeah, I like him some later haircut.

492
00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:37.619
Do you remember the few episodes where he has a beard?

493
00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.299
I mean, it's made famous by that meme, but yeah, it is a very good

494
00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:42.779
look.

495
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Is it a real beard?

496
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.720
Because you remember when they Avery books, they gave him a beard

497
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before he grew his beard and then that beard.

498
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.619
Oh, is that fake at the end of it?

499
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.740
Oh, God, so fake in Explorers on the one after that.

500
00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:54.000
No, it is.

501
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:58.140
It is because his actual beard's very wispy, whereas it's matted

502
00:21:58.140 --> 00:21:58.920
and dark black.

503
00:21:58.980 --> 00:21:59.819
It's, yeah.

504
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:01.799
I'm going to have another look.

505
00:22:01.859 --> 00:22:05.160
Look at these 2 in the background there, touching the consoles

506
00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:06.420
pretending they're doing something exciting.

507
00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:07.680
Oh, bless them.

508
00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:08.700
They earned their money.

509
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.160
Yeah, this is...

510
00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.140
This is a nothing scene, isn't it?

511
00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:14.339
Oh, there's that line.

512
00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:15.599
Oh, the cable toss.

513
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:16.740
Jesus Christ.

514
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:19.440
I know.

515
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:19.920
Yeah.

516
00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.579
And like, it's Scotland, and he's complaining that there'll be

517
00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:24.240
rain.

518
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:30.119
Like, this is Scotland imagined from LA.

519
00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:32.640
Have you ever been to Scotland yourself?

520
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:36.180
Okay, so I really love going out to Edinburgh in Inverness.

521
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.099
I've been sort of 4 or 5 times now.

522
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.640
And Scotland's one of the few places in the world that when it's

523
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:43.259
raining, it's even more beautiful.

524
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:47.640
I mean, the smell that comes off like the heather when it's just

525
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.440
it's mesmerising.

526
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.880
Um, yeah, so another thing there, they're getting wrong.

527
00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:57.059
Yeah, well, again, they can't do it.

528
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.240
That's the other problem is that they can't do a convincing

529
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.900
Scotland because all they've got is this church and a graveyard.

530
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:04.680
That's all they have.

531
00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:07.200
So they can't create a sense of what Scotland looks like.

532
00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.259
I misread that subtitle then.

533
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.359
It looked like Beverly Crusher said, and then a very handsome man

534
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:13.380
tossed on her grave.

535
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.039
Give it when this episode ends up.

536
00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:18.359
I wouldn't be at all surprised.

537
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:19.319
Yeah.

538
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.779
So he's 35.

539
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:28.619
He's been boning Nana and this line here, I should give you time

540
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:30.779
to get your grandmother's affairs in order.

541
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.180
That's got to be a gag.

542
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.380
The thing is, right?

543
00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:37.259
He plays the last line, like a joke, because he looks at the

544
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:39.180
camera and doesn't like an eyebrow.

545
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.539
Oh, okay.

547
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.539
So this is your travelling scene here because essentially Ronan is

548
00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:47.400
is currently raping.

549
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.839
This is super rarely crusher.

550
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:49.079
Yeah.

551
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:53.220
But then I don't think the women involved in the production team

552
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.279
were reading it like this because, you know, they're going up to

553
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.720
Brandon Bragger and patting him on the back.

554
00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:59.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

555
00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:04.920
And, like, maybe they don't see how this turns out and maybe in

556
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.220
retrospect, it seems worse than it did at the time.

557
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.380
But it does seem bad.

558
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:12.960
And I know that he's a bad guy.

559
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:17.160
And because he's a bad guy, I don't know how to feel about this

560
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:23.460
episode, like, because it doesn't bear any relationship, like, Like

561
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.779
Felicia had fun.

562
00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:28.619
She got to have sex, and, you know, all those Howard women got to

563
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:31.500
have sex with what's his face, Duncan Regear, whatever his name

564
00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:32.099
is.

565
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

566
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.940
And that's all sort of hugely exciting.

567
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.180
And then this, this, why is she having this dream?

568
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:44.460
Because she's been reading the very detailed explicit account... of

569
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.740
her grandmother.

570
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:50.099
Like, it's outrageous.

571
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.019
Just stop reading it.

572
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.079
I don't know, Nathan, if you ever explored the darker areas of the

573
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.079
internet, you know, there are like incest sites out there and

574
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:58.500
things like that.

575
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.119
There's a place for this sort of stuff.

576
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:04.140
Yeah, yeah, but just grandma, please, not grandma.

577
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.079
Did you see that fabulous woman that walked past in the red dress

578
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.420
that looked like she'd stepped straight out of the original

579
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:09.779
series?

580
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.880
I kind of like that.

581
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.279
Sometimes they do a sort of 60s-ish, um, look for their casual

582
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:17.640
clothes.

583
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.759
Do you know, I just think the uniform's got more boring over

584
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:21.059
time.

585
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:21.599
Okay.

586
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:24.059
TOS those primary colours are lovely.

587
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:25.740
And then these are all right.

588
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.140
And then by the time we get to Enterprises, the plumber outfits

589
00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:29.039
and it's just very dull.

590
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:29.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

591
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:31.200
Yeah, that's a shame.

592
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.539
You were saying, you know, in Descent, that Deanna Troy was a bit

593
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:36.960
kinky.

594
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.960
When she was saying to Data, you know, watch a bit of...

595
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:42.720
Oh, she was enjoying hearing about his porn consumption.

596
00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

597
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:45.839
Oh, yeah.

598
00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:49.319
I wonder if I'll have another dream tonight.

599
00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:50.519
Who talks like this?

600
00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:56.099
You and I have no secrets, Joe, but we don't talk like this.

601
00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:00.059
If you started talking to me about erotic dreams you were

602
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:03.119
happening, I'd be absolutely riveted, please start.

603
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:03.660
Oh okay.

604
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:04.680
Well, maybe they'll start.

605
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:05.220
Thank you.

606
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.859
This is quite nice, look, isn't it a little bit misty and the

607
00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:14.279
lights have come down, you know, the trees are fluttering in the

608
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:15.539
wheels. of the gun background.

609
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:18.960
They've even put a little light on in the church window.

610
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:19.200
Look.

611
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:21.779
I think that's nice though.

612
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.119
I think that that looks all right.

613
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:27.180
The lawn looks like a butcher shop window.

614
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.140
It's really bad.

615
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.039
She was a grand lady, all right.

616
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.799
I'm not sure what accent I'm doing now.

617
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:36.839
No, well, neither is he.

618
00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:39.299
This massive row the day before.

619
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.099
Now they're getting on like best of friends.

620
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.960
Yeah, very strange.

621
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:44.460
Yeah, no.

622
00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:46.980
And...

623
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:48.059
Oh, yeah.

624
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.619
He dies in the most terrible style.

625
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:50.880
He dies in a space accident.

626
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:54.059
He falls down the smallest flight of stairs, doesn't he?

627
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.200
pretty funny.

628
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.180
Yeah.

629
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.220
Look, see, we've got some wind happening.

630
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.019
Oh, he's doing the lilac.

631
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Just do not light that candle.

632
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.319
In a light candle.

633
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.240
He's out now. wandering across the land.

634
00:27:09.539 --> 00:27:13.200
And like all of that's actually not so terrible.

635
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.400
That's the sort of stupid cliche that we want.

636
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:23.039
I think it's when she starts resigning and orgasming all over the

637
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.079
house and Picard walks in.

638
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:28.259
That's when it kind of really goes awry this episode.

639
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.559
And when the woman comes up out of the grave, I'm just like, what

640
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.279
is going on now?

641
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.599
I mean, there's broad, Nathan, and there's broad.

642
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:37.619
Yeah.

643
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:42.299
But I mean, this this guy warning a speech is a thing that we do

644
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:44.700
in this genre, that's perfectly fine.

645
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.160
But that's all there is.

646
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:51.900
Is green lightning makes it look even more fake, doesn't it?

647
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.579
Yeah, well, yeah.

648
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:54.059
Yeah.

649
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:55.200
They didn't need to do it.

650
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:58.440
I mean, it's space lightning because it's terraforming and this is

651
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.539
still Star Trek and they can't leave it alone.

652
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:05.819
It would have looked better if it was just normal white lighting.

653
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.240
Note, only the trees in the foreground are moving because the

654
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.980
others are painted on the fucking wall.

655
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:15.720
Well, this was discovery, we'd have a load of CGI trees and now

656
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:16.980
and it looked incredibly convincing.

657
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.019
No, they probably just film outside.

658
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.539
Yeah, they did, didn't they?

659
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:22.619
When they went to the Troll planet.

660
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.460
They filmed outside.

661
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.079
I buy a nice lake.

662
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:25.920
Yeah.

663
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.960
Although everyone was still in a full 90s trek costumes, weren't

664
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.140
they?

665
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:32.039
Well, deliberately.

666
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.660
What's to say?

667
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:37.799
Jonathan Frakes says in an interview about this. that he thinks

668
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.759
that Gates McFadden looks as beautiful as she's ever looked in the

669
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.519
next generation and that she looks like a movie starlet.

670
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:45.779
And I don't disagree with that.

671
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.039
I actually think she is.

672
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:49.799
And when they give her the green eyes later on, and there's some

673
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:51.900
shock, she just looks absolutely stunning.

674
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.180
I think she's always been stunning.

675
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.099
She is coming out of the rain.

676
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.039
Showing around her head.

677
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:00.599
And isn't there flowers?

678
00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:02.339
Isn't there like flowers all over the house now?

679
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.680
I mean, this would creep me the fuck out if I walked into my house

680
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.599
and it was covered in black.

681
00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:10.680
That's right.

682
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:13.140
Remember what happened to Giles in that Buffy episode?

683
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:14.220
Jesus Christ.

684
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.220
This, I mean, he's super rapey.

685
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.680
But that is also, let's be fair, part of the genre because the man

686
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.579
is a problem in some way or he's controlling or something.

687
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.940
You know, there's like that is part of the genre.

688
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.599
And even in more recent, like, romantic comedy, if you watch

689
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:39.960
recent romantic comedy on the whole, the men are super creepy and

690
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.380
raping, like if it happen to you in real life, you know, you're

691
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.500
trying to leave and someone runs and tries to stop you at the

692
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:49.859
airport or whatever, like all of that, you know, refusing to give

693
00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:51.779
up, I'm going to keep following you, all of that stuff.

694
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:53.700
Until you relent, you know.

695
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

696
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.779
Well, it feels a bit controlling, doesn't it?

697
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.220
I mean, this feels very controlling.

698
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.480
Well, and it should be literally holds her down at one and...

699
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.019
Yeah.

700
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.259
But if anyone had a sense that that was what this episode was

701
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.779
about. creep in the mirror.

702
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.420
If anyone had a sense of what this was about.

703
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.960
I mean, if this was about that, imagine it was a relationship

704
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.880
about that. not a relationship, an episode about that, about a

705
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:28.140
controlling relationship where he gets her to quit her job.

706
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.579
It's nearly there.

707
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.000
It's so nearly there because when she decides to leave him is when

708
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.839
she has a choice between following him and healing Picard and

709
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.420
she's a doctor, it's her job, it's...

710
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:41.099
There's no tension there.

711
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.640
There's no... of the fact that she's conflicted.

712
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.359
She's just like, oh, well, I've had an orgasm for the 1st time in

713
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:48.900
20 years.

714
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.019
I'm going to quit and go and spend my life with a ghost.

715
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.460
What about that?

716
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.240
What about that trill?

717
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.119
Oh, yeah.

718
00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.579
But she couldn't hand it, though, could she, when that trail

719
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:00.119
became a woman?

720
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:00.599
No.

721
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.140
No.

722
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.079
The universe is not ready for bisexuality.

723
00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:06.480
It's very, very confronting.

724
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:07.259
Honestly.

725
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.539
But what you said there.

726
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.759
Is it if they could kind of give it that sort of?

727
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:14.400
I don't think anyone's thinking along those lines at all.

728
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:18.119
They were just like, oh, this is fun and sexy and weird, you

729
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.299
know.

730
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:18.779
Yeah.

731
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.039
But there's nothing to it.

732
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.000
And that's the problem.

733
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:24.539
And if it had been played in any way real, you know, like if it

734
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.480
had been like it obviously has to be exaggerated, it has to be

735
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:28.259
melodramatic.

736
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.579
That's all fine.

737
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.000
She's literally licking the wall.

738
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:36.299
Oh, Ronan, leave me alone.

739
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.700
I mean, look, I do need to complain.

740
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.359
Sorry to you, though.

741
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.119
Like when when TNG is this terrible.

742
00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:47.339
Yeah, there's a few examples of this.

743
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.960
Justice is another great one as well.

744
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.539
Yes, that is equally terrible on that.

745
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.000
It's just deliriously enjoyable.

746
00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:55.200
Oh, no.

747
00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:55.559
You know.

748
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

749
00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.299
Yeah, this is not boring and it's not forgettable.

750
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.039
The previous episode.

751
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:02.640
Not forgettable.

752
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.359
Are you kidding?

753
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.460
It's not forgettable.

754
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.480
The previous episode is called Homewards, and I defy the listener

755
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.500
at home to tell me in one sentence what the fuck happens in that.

756
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.000
Wolf, isn't it?

757
00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:15.480
That's it.

758
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.200
Wolf on planet.

759
00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:17.640
Oh, Wolf.

760
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:18.900
Long lost brother.

761
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.859
And on location.

762
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:21.359
Oh, yeah, I think we probably are.

763
00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:22.920
It's a family episode in series 7.

764
00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:24.180
Another family episode.

765
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:25.079
Maybe you could have guessed that.

766
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:26.700
But I mean, it's so unmemorable.

767
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.380
They do remake it a bit in insurrection, actually.

768
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.299
I would listen to what he's saying.

769
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.819
I believe you are.

770
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:36.779
I have ever known.

771
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.759
Yeah, yeah.

772
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.440
But look what you're saying.

773
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.599
We're becoming one Beverly.

774
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:43.079
Yeah.

775
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.500
Yeah.

776
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.579
Have you ever tried to seduce a man with that line?

777
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.140
We've become one.

778
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.180
Yeah, within the 1st 5 minutes of a conversation at about...

779
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:57.660
Here we go.

780
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.619
Hi, Bev.

781
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.059
You come into the martial arts today.

782
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.759
What are they playing?

783
00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:04.079
Oh, it's mock bara.

784
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:05.819
It's how they suck up to wharf.

785
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.259
It's how they make him feel needed.

786
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:11.279
Well, no, because Troy's just about to start a romance with Worf

787
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.960
so she's trying to, yeah, trying to impress him.

788
00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:14.339
Oh, she's going to the mudbre class.

789
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.839
Look at that shitty nightdress.

790
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:16.799
Jesus Christ.

791
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:18.059
But you know what, right?

792
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.079
You say, like, this is a story written by Jerry Taylor and a

793
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.759
script written by Brandon Bragg.

794
00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:27.059
Jerry Taylor actually, she's the one that wrote the episode where

795
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:32.099
Jane Wen Chakotay are on the planet together and there's like the

796
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:33.539
subtle suggestion that they fuck.

797
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.680
Yeah.

798
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.920
And then she cuts it dead because she's responsible for the next

799
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:38.220
season.

800
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.579
And so she writes that and at the end of that episode they say

801
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:42.539
nope, we ain't going here.

802
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.319
We not going there.

803
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:46.079
So she kind of pushes away from romance.

804
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:47.940
I don't I don't quite get it.

805
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.019
No, I think she's pushing away from serialisation and that seems

806
00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:53.220
to be her big thing.

807
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.700
We're not going to have ongoing plot lines.

808
00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:58.619
Yeah.

809
00:33:58.680 --> 00:33:58.980
Yeah.

810
00:33:58.980 --> 00:33:59.579
Yeah.

811
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.720
So we can't do this.

812
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:04.559
And it's... look at her. stunning.

813
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.880
In fact, they both look gorgeous.

814
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.859
Yeah, yeah.

815
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.760
I mean, you know, Marina gets better as she goes along as she's

816
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.820
allowed to be more marina and the warmth between them is really

817
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:16.199
very clear.

818
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.780
That podcast I listen to, right?

819
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:23.280
The Gates McFadden investigates, and she had Marina service on, and

820
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.280
it's so funny because she's really talking in her English accent.

821
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.940
She's there again, here, gatesy, gate seat.

822
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.139
I'm moving back to England because you can't get work at my age

823
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:38.460
over here in America, you know, like even the chemistry of real

824
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:40.380
life between them is marvellous, you know?

825
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.119
She's so wonderful.

826
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:44.940
I kind of feel like it's a wasted opportunity because I think

827
00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:49.139
really good things could have been done with this relationship

828
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:49.920
between these two.

829
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:56.400
Like both both subsequent series, like Voyager and Deep Space 9

830
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:01.679
actually do a proper job of dealing with their women.

831
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.699
Do you know what I mean?

832
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.500
They give women proper things to do.

833
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.139
They don't just resort to caring roles.

834
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.280
They aren't an afterthought, you know, I think DS9 was a reaction

835
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:16.079
to this, you know, because Kira and Dax are both, they have very

836
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:17.519
masculine qualities about them.

837
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.000
And they don't have the traditional sort of caring roles as well.

838
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:22.619
This is great.

839
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.920
I'm absolutely on board with the fog rolling in on the bridge.

840
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:28.139
I think that's all that's great.

841
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.760
You know, let's have that.

842
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:30.780
That's really great.

843
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.920
That's Star Trek.

844
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:34.019
They're all confused.

845
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.940
They're all throwing techno babble at it.

846
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.579
Yeah, they're just talking about...

847
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.139
Honestly.

848
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.780
Do you know what they, during they see a Nick, this in DS9, during

849
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:44.340
when they did the fog on the promenade.

850
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.980
It turned out it was Lars, the shape, the shapeshifter.

851
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.059
Oh, the shapeshifter, yeah.

852
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:48.480
Yeah, yeah.

853
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:52.739
And all that fog sucks back in and he becomes the person again.

854
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:53.400
It was amazing.

855
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:54.780
Yeah, what a creep.

856
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:55.380
This looks great.

857
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:59.159
O'Brien is just going, ooh, this is really creepy.

858
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:01.440
I'm walking through a shapeshift, you know?

859
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.340
Yeah, yeah.

860
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.840
You've got Martok in your pants.

861
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:04.860
Is it Martok?

862
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.119
It is my dog.

863
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:07.199
Yeah, JJ has like, yeah.

864
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:08.219
Very different.

865
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.559
When I 1st heard that, I could not really...

866
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:11.159
Yeah.

867
00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:13.619
Oh, here we go.

868
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:14.579
More technical.

869
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.539
Yeah, yeah.

870
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:16.380
This is impossible.

871
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:17.519
They're not even backup system.

872
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:18.900
Oh, here we go.

873
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.039
Ned Quint's about to get it.

874
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:23.760
But look at these look at these panels, right?

875
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.920
There's nothing that moves.

876
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:27.239
They just light on and off.

877
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:28.380
There's no...

878
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.059
What is he doing on the back concept?

879
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.400
He's just like, he's just like tugging at the set.

880
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:33.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

881
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.880
He's trying to kill us all, Nathan.

882
00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:39.719
Oh, that stunt.

883
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.159
Oh, there he is.

884
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:43.019
Oh, that stunt.

885
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:43.920
Whoa ho.

886
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.679
No, but he was killed by the space lightning, though.

887
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.840
I don't think was just a bonus.

888
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:52.380
I mean, anyone is really trying at this point. in next chance

889
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:52.800
run.

890
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.019
Because I'm telling you now, in a year's time.

891
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.159
John Frakes would direct the 2nd part of past tense, yeah, where

892
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:04.019
he has soldiers storm that building and like, you know, there's

893
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:05.820
bullets flying and it's really exciting.

894
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.280
Like, well, what the fuck was that in falling down that

895
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:08.820
staircase?

896
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:12.599
We're just like, oh, we'll just put any old shit out now. watch

897
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:12.840
it.

898
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:15.059
Yeah, they're invested in these people.

899
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:16.679
Yeah.

900
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:20.280
I realise I'm sounding a bit critical right now, but I am enjoying

901
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:20.519
this.

902
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.099
Oh, here's our one chance to see Dr. Bev doing what she normally

903
00:37:26.099 --> 00:37:27.960
does, just coming in with a medical tricorder.

904
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.360
This is all we normally see of her in a normal episode.

905
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:32.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

906
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:32.820
Yeah.

907
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.940
Oh, you see that the man behind her there?

908
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.980
He's in a few episodes.

909
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

910
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.619
But generally speaking, he just does that.

911
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.880
Yeah, he he hands all the hypersprays and touches panels and

912
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:45.539
things, you know.

913
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.300
Just in late seasons, though, like not early on, I think.

914
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.960
Well, Alyssa's, you know, getting married and having children and

915
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.739
things, you know, yeah.

916
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:57.300
I really like her, you know Yeah, I do too.

918
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:58.800
We don't really find out much about it, do we?

919
00:37:58.860 --> 00:37:59.699
No.

920
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.019
Well, it's so rare to have a secondary character on this show.

921
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.460
There was a reaction against that with DS9 as well.

922
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:09.659
Yeah, yeah.

923
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.679
It's like there's basically 7 people here. do all the jobs.

924
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.760
Look at his hair.

925
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.679
Like, it's not just that stupid nose.

926
00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:23.880
It's his hair as well.

927
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:24.960
The whole thing is just...

928
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.539
His clothes are so perfectly tailored all the time as well, isn't

929
00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:27.719
it?

930
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.199
Very strange.

931
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.760
But, oh, dear.

932
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:30.719
Oh, this is great.

933
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.559
Okay, now, now, She's kind of desperate for him now, isn't she?

934
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:38.039
He's taken that to a real high is a pleasure.

935
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:43.320
No, but isn't she, isn't she coming in to get Ronan to explain

936
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.699
what happened to Quint?

937
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.579
Isn't she come down?

938
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:49.019
But this is the secret.

939
00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:50.099
I must talk to you.

940
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.239
There's been an accident.

941
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:51.960
Yeah.

942
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:55.139
So she's come down to kind of tell him off because you killed that

943
00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:57.719
horrible... guy.

944
00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:01.139
He grabs hold on now, Nathan, in quite a violent way.

945
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:02.400
Like he grabs her in.

946
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.079
It's it's all a bit.

947
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:07.559
Yeah.

948
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.579
Oh, he's so oily.

949
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.019
Yuck.

950
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.739
It's not easy for me to take corporeal form, Nathan.

951
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.480
But I'm here for you.

952
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.320
Don't bother.

953
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.980
Look at me.

954
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.360
That was rude.

955
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.159
I want you to light the candle.

956
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:27.659
Is that euphemism?

957
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

958
00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.099
It's definitely you.

959
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.340
Okay, just really look at her.

960
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.679
Oh, look, she's like, my dog does that.

961
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:38.760
That's so yucky.

962
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:41.940
I don't think anyone's ever touched my face like that, and it's

963
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.679
given me that much pleasure, though, if I'm honest.

964
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:47.579
Unless his whole touch is just like, you know, pure pleasure.

965
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:49.500
Yuck.

966
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.179
Yeah.

967
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:52.260
But that's it.

968
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.780
She's coming to tell him off because he's killed someone and now

969
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.000
she's completely just ugh.

970
00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:58.199
You see that lie?

971
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.760
He had that, the power transfer.

972
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.739
Power transfer being. can travel along it.

973
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.079
Renee Chivarius says here.

974
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.320
I can still reduce Brandon Bragger to shudders when I go into his

975
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.320
office and say, I can travel along the power transfer beam.

976
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:12.360
It's so bad.

977
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.679
Oh, dear.

978
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:17.579
Oh, yuck.

979
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.260
She's touching her lips. lustrous way.

980
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.599
Is that it now?

981
00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:26.940
Is she is she completely under his thrall now?

982
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.360
No, but isn't his, isn't his space thing?

983
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:31.079
Isn't his?

984
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:31.800
Yeah, well, that's it.

985
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.340
I don't know.

986
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.699
But I thought a swirly space thing went up a Jaxi at some point.

987
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.380
And then she starts.

988
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.519
Isn't that what's happening?

989
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:44.639
You know, in the child, where the, where the child, in series 2

990
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.519
episode one, the little Tinker Bell goes along the Enterprise

991
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:48.119
photo.

992
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:49.079
Twinkly light.

993
00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:50.940
Yeah, it goes up into her pants.

994
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.559
But here he turns into a swirly green thing and kind of just

995
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:56.940
slumps into her lap.

996
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.039
Oh, here, it's here.

997
00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:00.360
Are we on the ship now?

998
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:03.300
Oh, I think she plays this scene quite well, you know. where she

999
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:06.599
comes in and gets on the bed and she's all a bit anxious and...

1000
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1001
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.260
But I think it's not her performance.

1002
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.099
It's the problem.

1003
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.139
It's that she's so pathetic.

1004
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.420
Like, she's so pathetic.

1005
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:19.380
No, because in that Gothic fact, they're always under the

1006
00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:20.820
completely under the influence.

1007
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1008
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.880
Look at how he's grabbing her now.

1009
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:26.039
Yeah, oh, oh.

1010
00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:28.500
Yeah, like why isn't she screaming or biting his hands?

1011
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.380
This entire commentary is you going, ugh.

1012
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.599
Yuck, yuck.

1013
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.519
Oh, my God.

1014
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:40.739
Oh, take care of you Beverly.

1015
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.559
Oh, you will feel love.

1016
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:44.940
Like you've never felt before.

1017
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:45.960
I've used that line a few times.

1018
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:46.679
I'm not gonna lie.

1019
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.260
Yeah, we all do. works every time.

1020
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.960
Well, here we go.

1021
00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:54.239
So now he's turned into a green swirly ghost.

1022
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:55.380
Yeah, yeah.

1023
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.880
And then he's just fading into her.

1024
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.980
And Yeah, very slowly.

1025
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.440
It's very odd though, isn't it?

1026
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:08.760
Isn't it odd that this anaphasic energy, like, has this knock on

1027
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:09.480
effect of...

1028
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:13.139
Oh, I don't I've stopped paying any attention to that.

1029
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.179
Oh, look now.

1030
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.599
So now she's dressed up properly like a Gothic, you know, fancy

1031
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:18.719
yeah.

1032
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:19.320
Yeah, yeah.

1033
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:21.360
Although I like her shoes, I have to say.

1034
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.519
Actually I quite like the outfit.

1035
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.619
The way she delivers that line.

1036
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.239
He's like, Beverly, what's this?

1037
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:28.800
Why, this plays everything.'m leaving.

1038
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:29.159
Goodbye.

1039
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:30.360
Energise.

1040
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.940
Straight to the point there.

1041
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:35.880
Oh my god.

1042
00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:38.699
Like, I mean, are we supposed to be buying any of this?

1043
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:39.960
She's quitting.

1044
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1045
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.780
I mean, she she has tried to quit this season once already.

1046
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.639
No, it was in series six.

1047
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:49.559
Series 6, she quits.

1048
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:50.400
That's suspicious.

1049
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.320
And Guidan talks her out of it, yeah.

1050
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:53.159
That's right, yeah.

1051
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.579
Which would have been Whoopi Goldberg's last appearance aside from

1052
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:58.920
if it hadn't have been for this season of Picard.

1053
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:01.019
No, no, no, she's in generations.

1054
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.300
Oh, forgot about that.

1055
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.320
That scene in the bar in Picard was amazing.

1056
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.519
Fantastic.

1057
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:09.960
I got all the feels watching that.

1058
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:10.860
Yeah, yeah.

1059
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:13.199
And now, look, see, now, look, we're literally going through the

1060
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.900
motions of like Deanna Troy coming in and going, well, you know, I

1061
00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:18.179
told I told her she was actually a character, and it's all a bit

1062
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:18.360
weird.

1063
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:20.760
Why don't you go down to the planet?

1064
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:22.920
Like, we know all of this.

1065
00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:25.079
This is all just absolute filler.

1066
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:25.739
We saw it.

1067
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:31.800
She's explaining to him the things that we saw happen. you know

1068
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:32.460
like, what?

1069
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:33.599
like, what?

1070
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.380
Can I say, right?

1071
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.940
We had 7 fucking years of these characters acting out of character

1072
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:42.780
every time they go for a nebula, every time they go to a planet.

1073
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.179
You think they'd be better at reading the science by now, wouldn't

1074
00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:45.300
you?

1075
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.860
Yeah, well, like, you know, you're not...

1076
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.960
Have you been taken over?

1077
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:52.679
Picard.

1078
00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:58.860
Picard wants to fucking nebula in series one and he like, he, he, I

1079
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:00.539
don't think he beans himself off the bridge.

1080
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.179
That's what's happening.

1081
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.079
Lonely among us.

1082
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:08.219
I'll become one with the fabulous anomaly. bone.

1083
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:08.880
It's boning.

1084
00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.960
Yeah, exactly.

1085
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.340
The Beverly and him are going to become one.

1086
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:14.519
Then he turns the whole of the bridge into fabulous blue

1087
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:15.480
lightning.

1088
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:16.800
It's amazing.

1089
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:17.820
It's great seeing you.

1090
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.840
You can tell by this point, Patrick Stewart in series one.

1091
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:23.219
He's just like, what am I doing here?

1092
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.800
What is this script?

1093
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:28.440
I was doing Royal Shakespeare at one point.

1094
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:33.000
Oh, see, look, we're back in the graveyard at night.

1095
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:33.480
Oh my god.

1096
00:44:33.539 --> 00:44:34.380
Is this the climax now?

1097
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:34.980
We there already?

1098
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.719
No, we've got a cut to the flicking herself off in front of the

1099
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:40.500
boss scene.

1100
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.460
Okay.

1101
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.659
Interesting though.

1102
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.039
If you turn this on now.

1103
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.320
If you turn this on, you would not think this was Star Trek the

1104
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.480
Next Generation, I mean, you can see data there in the background

1105
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.440
but, you know...

1106
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:54.960
But other shows attempting to, well, I guess Buffy is attempting

1107
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.179
to do graveyards in the studio, isn't it?

1108
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.340
But not at all.

1109
00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:01.019
When the old woman comes out, right?

1110
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.380
They've clearly just got this like geriatric day player to come

1111
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:04.559
in.

1112
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.820
Just say the line.

1113
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.420
Say the line.

1114
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.440
Beverly.

1115
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:11.760
I reckon she was probably a movie star in the 1930s.

1116
00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:13.619
No, now they would do that.

1117
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.219
Now they would bring in someone amazing just for those free lines

1118
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:17.579
you know?

1119
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.199
They'd be like, let's get some great.

1120
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:22.559
Judy Denshin to play Beverly Crush's grandmother.

1121
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.579
Dead grandma.

1122
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.380
I bet if we looked at that woman's CV.

1123
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.119
She's been a murder, she wrote, you know.

1124
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.059
Quincy QC, whatever it's got.

1125
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:32.880
Oh, okay.

1126
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:36.539
So this is the scene that everybody remembers because this is

1127
00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:41.340
Beverly Crusher, essentially masturbating as Picard walks in on

1128
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:41.519
her.

1129
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.659
I had no idea I could feel this way.

1130
00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:49.739
Yeah, but it's so, it's horny, isn't it?

1131
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.260
Is that how women, like, I don't see...

1132
00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:54.780
Yeah, I've never seen women.

1133
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.420
But is that what they do?

1134
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.079
I don't know.

1135
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:01.559
If there are any listeners too untitled Star Trek properties, that

1136
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.219
happen to be straight.

1137
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:04.139
If you could get in touch with us and let us know.

1138
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:04.800
Yeah, don't.

1139
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:05.639
Please don't.

1140
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.840
Look, look, look, the shot is literally of her arriving in the

1141
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:10.079
chair.

1142
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.179
He actually looks like, I'm not going to interrupt for a second.

1143
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.019
I'm just gonna watch this.

1144
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:18.840
Stop it.

1145
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:20.280
Stop it at once.

1146
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:21.599
And then he says, Emily.

1147
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:24.059
Yeah, but why did he do it before?

1148
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.519
Why didn't you just go, I can see you're busy.

1149
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.420
I'll be back.

1150
00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:30.480
As proof that she is up to no good.

1151
00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:35.639
She, like, grabs her rogue and tells herself herself because she's

1152
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.679
been caught. absolutely plays it like that.

1153
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:40.079
Oh my god.

1154
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:43.980
Apparently, apparently the cast loved doing this one.

1155
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.739
I think they like anything that was a bit out of the norm, you

1156
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:46.980
know?

1157
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.280
Well, it's like the killing game a few weeks ago when we were

1158
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.880
talking about how much fun the Voyager cast had doing dress-ups in

1159
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.199
World War 2 things.

1160
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:59.340
I mean, of course they like doing this, but, oh, God.

1161
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:04.920
I actually can't see the difference, although she is with her

1162
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:05.280
eyes.

1163
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:07.380
She is looking very contact lensy.

1164
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.480
Maybe my screen's too small.

1165
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:12.420
I just don't think she's ever looked more beautiful.

1166
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.340
You know, they're really stunning.

1167
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:15.480
Let her hair down.

1168
00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:16.559
Did you know, right?

1169
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:18.420
There's a bit of trivia. forgot to drop.

1170
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.659
On the gravestones in the graveyard.

1171
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.219
They've given, they're all covered in famous movie characters.

1172
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:27.719
One of them is called Vader.

1173
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:29.519
One of them is called McFly.

1174
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:31.679
I think we'll see McFly.

1175
00:47:31.739 --> 00:47:33.239
I did see McFly.

1176
00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:36.360
So I'll point that out because I think I know where that is.

1177
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.219
They don't mind putting in these little Easter eggs.

1178
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.440
There's one episode of Star Trek, you know, where they put in all

1179
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.659
the names of the actors that have played Doctor Who on a pad.

1180
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.679
Yeah, the neutral zone.

1181
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:44.280
Yeah.

1182
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.239
I think they've fixed that for the high date, high definition

1183
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:48.780
version.

1184
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.800
Do you know what the word Ronan means in Japanese?

1185
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:57.360
Isn't it a sort of solitary wandering warrior of some kind

1186
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.619
something?

1187
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.659
A little less excited.

1188
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:01.559
Drifting person.

1189
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:05.159
Oh, no, no, but I think it is, I think they're a warrior sort of

1190
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:05.760
thing or something.

1191
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.719
It's a thing.

1192
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:12.179
But, I mean, like, why isn't he called Jock or, you know, if, like

1193
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.460
something like that, Shooey.

1194
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:19.679
Like, we are on the planet of the Scottish stereotype.

1195
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:23.219
Somehow he was called Ronan in 1647 or whenever the fuck he

1196
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:23.880
reckons he was born.

1197
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:25.199
Now they're in a 2 shot.

1198
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.719
I've only just noticed the height, discrepancy between Duncan

1199
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:28.860
Raker and Gauge McFan.

1200
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.679
Well, that's part of it though, isn't it?

1201
00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:35.099
A taller controlling man, you know, like that's a thing.

1202
00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:39.539
Oh, God his hair.

1203
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.599
It's so bad.

1204
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:44.699
It's really bad.

1205
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:45.960
What happened to him?

1206
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:50.400
Patrick Stewart was asked to sell some pretty astonishing scenes

1207
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.019
in the next generation's run, wasn't he?

1208
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.400
Yeah, yeah.

1209
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:55.920
Like you said, you know, I know you said in the past, you know, you

1210
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.019
rate him as an actor, but you don't rate him quite as hard as

1211
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:58.440
anyone else.

1212
00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:01.800
I feel like he's a massive success when he's selling scenes like

1213
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:01.920
this.

1214
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:02.699
Yeah, yeah.

1215
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.739
Holding his shit together in something like this.

1216
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:05.699
Oh, no.

1217
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:06.900
Oh.

1218
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.579
So hang on.

1219
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:10.559
So, so, can I just ask that?

1220
00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:13.920
Because, like, obviously, when the green light goes into Beverly

1221
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.559
Yeah, she's experiencing great pleasure.

1222
00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:18.659
It's the same thing just happened to Picard.

1223
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.900
Has he just had like so much pleasure that he's...

1224
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.059
That's killing him, like killed dead.

1225
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.260
You've been paying attention.

1226
00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:28.679
So he's got sex mode and killing people mode.

1227
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:31.860
And so here, do you know what I mean?

1228
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:36.059
Like there is, there's the bones of an idea about her escaping an

1229
00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:40.679
abusive, controlling relationship by remembering who she is and

1230
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:41.880
who she cares about.

1231
00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:47.039
But, you know, and she does get to shoot him dead, which awesome

1232
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.719
you know, I'm super into that ending.

1233
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:49.679
Oh my god.

1234
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.019
Great, it's my favourite performance in that.

1235
00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:53.280
Leave her alone.

1236
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.920
Yeah, it's sub-rosa. is it Latin?

1237
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:00.360
Yeah, yeah.

1238
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.000
So it means like under the rose bush or something.

1239
00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:07.440
So I don't know why it's used to refer to a clandestine

1240
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:11.280
relationship, like an affair or something like that.

1241
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.420
Yeah.

1242
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.940
I was supposed to say, oh, having a clandestine relationship

1243
00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:15.360
aren't they?

1244
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.800
Well, and well, certainly all of her female ancestors.

1245
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.920
Oh, what if Ronan killed Mum?

1246
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:26.699
What if Ronan killed Beverly's mum?

1247
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.880
Oh no, because she wasn't biologically compatible.

1248
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:34.139
And so he had to keep boning the centenarian?

1249
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:36.900
The old woman?

1250
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:37.739
It is very possible.

1251
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.780
The old woman has been unveiled now.

1252
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:40.559
Here's Nana.

1253
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah, she...

1254
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:44.820
She's doing some great corpse acting, I have to say.

1255
00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:48.239
It's very impressive. the most demanding thing.

1256
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:48.960
Oh, here we go.

1257
00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:49.860
Her eyes open.

1258
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:50.760
Green eyes.

1259
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.679
It's so I'm sorry, the action is just so lame.

1260
00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.679
She literally just touches them and they're like, oh, they fall

1261
00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:58.980
down.

1262
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.059
Maybe that's Ronan.

1263
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:00.780
Yeah, yeah.

1264
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.400
But yeah, they just fall over a bit.

1265
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:03.059
It's fine.

1266
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.619
Can I say the line?

1267
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:05.699
Beverly.

1268
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.960
Have trust in me.

1269
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:11.400
Gates is screaming right off.

1270
00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:13.440
Ah, Nan is dead.

1271
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.840
This is so...

1272
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.980
Beverly, forgive me.

1273
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:26.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah It's so great.

1274
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.440
It's so good.

1275
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.159
Like, what comes of this?

1276
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:36.840
If there was some attempt to make this bee about anything, it

1277
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:41.940
seems to be a valuable moral lesson about the perils of anaphasic

1278
00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:42.780
energy.

1279
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.960
But like, like, it's not about anything.

1280
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:47.760
Who cares about that though?

1281
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.380
rules of anaphasic energy.

1282
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.539
That's what they should have been called.

1283
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.500
I could see that slapped on a romantic novel cover.

1284
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:06.360
It's extremely unstable, Joe. So it's more sex law.

1285
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:10.739
Don't worry about it You've been using me.

1286
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.760
Nana.

1287
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:14.340
My entire family for centuries.

1288
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.579
But is that a bad thing?

1289
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.360
It must have been a bad thing because he's a really rapey

1290
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:23.340
controlling creep, right?

1291
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.260
But we don't go there.

1292
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.599
No, they still don't condemn him in that last scene.

1293
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:32.699
She says my nana was really happy and I'm a bit jealous is what

1294
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:34.440
she says in my life. what is that?

1295
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.900
Like, it's like, ugh, yeah.

1296
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.559
Like, I would love to...

1297
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.000
Like, how do these guys talk?

1298
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.320
What we learn in this episode is that Beverly Crusher just has a

1299
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.199
very strange, like fantasy life, you know, like...

1300
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.659
Who else does she have sex with?

1301
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.920
She has sex with her trill?

1302
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:54.000
Yeah.

1303
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.460
Well, I think she, doesn't she get off with Picard in the naked

1304
00:52:56.460 --> 00:52:56.699
now?

1305
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah.

1306
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.780
Well, everyone gets off with everyone.

1307
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:02.639
That's a thing.

1308
00:53:02.699 --> 00:53:05.219
Yeah, no, she just...

1309
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.440
She doesn't get much, if I'm honest.

1310
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:08.340
No, okay.

1311
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.539
Well, that appear.

1312
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:12.659
She's desperate for any passing ghost to come and give her a

1313
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:12.840
look.

1314
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.719
Oh my god.

1315
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:16.079
Okay.

1316
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:19.260
You always say to you that gays McFadden looks off screen and

1317
00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:20.460
completely vacant.

1318
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.079
Look at her right now.

1319
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:24.780
She's doing it right now, that kind of like blank look.

1320
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.900
Yeah, because she's back to her normal selves.

1321
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.260
So she's doing her normal Beverly Crusher acting.

1322
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.920
Yeah.

1323
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:32.519
Yeah.

1324
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:34.800
So it turns out it's a deliberate choice.

1325
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.159
Oh, thank Christ, he's dead.

1326
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:42.119
I love you.

1327
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.840
Oh, shut up.

1328
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.719
I said earlier, imagine switch. imagine switching it on during

1329
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:49.619
this climax.

1330
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:53.039
I'm being like, well, this show's gone downhill.

1331
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:53.699
I won't watch this.

1332
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.760
Well, and you'd be right.

1333
00:53:56.820 --> 00:54:00.420
Oh, she's there like hugging herself and crying.

1334
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.400
Yeah, on the plastic grass.

1335
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.579
Oh, I love this.

1336
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:06.599
Look, the cars wrap up.

1337
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.960
Dr Crusher's recovery will be of a personal nature.

1338
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.019
But we have defeated the anaphasic energy.

1339
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:13.920
So it's all okay.

1340
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:15.119
Who reads these logs?

1341
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.559
Who reads these logs?

1342
00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:18.420
Do you think Admiral Lachev is reading that?

1343
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:19.739
Click what's going on?

1344
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.480
Yeah, someone's got a ticket off, aren't they?

1345
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:22.019
Yeah.

1346
00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:23.460
Job for somebody at Starflate.

1347
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.579
No, they probably see it coming through and go, what's this?

1348
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.260
What's been happening on the Enterprise now?

1349
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.440
We need to get that shit back into Space Doc fast.

1350
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:34.800
Oh, I think Beverly's got a Singapore sling there.

1351
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:37.380
That's classy.

1352
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.940
It's very nice.

1353
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.260
They saw it in Singapore.

1354
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:41.099
I don't know.

1355
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:41.820
Oh it's a drink.

1356
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.179
Sorry.

1357
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:43.920
Yeah. bra.

1358
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:44.400
Sorry.

1359
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:45.960
No, I don't know about those.

1360
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.159
Yeah, there's a part of me that's a little sad.

1361
00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:54.960
Sure, he made me quit my job and tried to kill my friends.

1362
00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:57.539
And touch me, that's all. inappropriately.

1363
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. whatever else he might have done.

1364
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.099
Like, what?

1365
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:02.940
made her very happy.

1366
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.780
But that, but that's being written by...

1367
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:08.159
That is being reared by a team.

1368
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:11.400
So he's basically...

1369
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:13.980
So we've learned nothing today.

1370
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.639
Today we've learned about anaphasic energy.

1371
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.639
Today we've learned that Star Trek should not do Gothic

1372
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:21.239
fantasies.

1373
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:25.079
Well, no, I don't think we've learned that, and that's absolutely

1374
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.940
what I don't think we've learned.

1375
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:31.739
But I think we've learned that this Star Trek shouldn't do Gothic

1376
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:33.360
fantasies because...

1377
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:34.079
It's terrible.

1378
00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:37.320
No, I don't think so, but I just think the failure to make this

1379
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:41.159
about anything other than the kind of superficial tropes and just

1380
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.219
the problematic nature of the whole thing because no one's really

1381
00:55:44.219 --> 00:55:48.179
thinking about what's happening and, you know, Braga.

1382
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.099
Do you remember the episode of DS9?

1383
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.039
I don't think it's a terrible episode, but it's so problematic.

1384
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:59.219
It's in series 7 and it's the one where Serena of the the jackpack

1385
00:55:59.219 --> 00:56:00.780
gets her voice back.

1386
00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:02.519
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1387
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:07.619
She's patient and he seduces her as her doctor.

1388
00:56:07.619 --> 00:56:11.039
And no one says to him, this is really wrong what you're doing.

1389
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:13.500
It's kind of essentially what's happening here as well.

1390
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:18.059
I don't think there's anyone in sort of 90s trek there to be able

1391
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:19.139
to say, do you know what?

1392
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.039
This is really problematic.

1393
00:56:20.099 --> 00:56:21.360
We're putting on the screen.

1394
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:22.440
You know?

1395
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.179
Do you know what's even more shocking?

1396
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.699
Do you know what the next episode is after this?

1397
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.199
Yeah, I do.

1398
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:29.519
It's lower decks.

1399
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.400
I really, really properly good episode.

1400
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:35.639
I mean, how can you go from the ridiculous to the sublime?

1401
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:37.440
No, it's incredible.

1402
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:37.980
Yeah.

1403
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:38.519
Yeah.

1404
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:39.659
Unbelievable.

1405
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.699
Well, I mean, it's a good show.

1406
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.219
The, you know, the bones of it are good.

1407
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.300
They can make great TV, but they just don't always succeed.

1408
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.840
I'd say about half the time they don't always succeed.

1409
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:54.300
Like that's unnecessarily cruel.

1410
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:03.719
All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode, and so I'm

1411
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:07.980
on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1412
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:14.159
And I'm the one who has control this week after your abject

1413
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.480
failure last week, Joe. I would not call it a failure after the

1414
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.559
amount we've just laughed.

1415
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:20.159
Okay?

1416
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.719
Yeah, that's fair enough.

1417
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:26.400
So I am going to do something unusual and you may wish to overrule

1418
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:32.699
me, but I want to give Star Trek the next generation the chance to

1419
00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:33.360
redeem itself.

1420
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:36.059
You're just going to do next year, again.

1421
00:57:36.059 --> 00:57:36.840
I am.

1422
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:41.699
But I'm going to do it until we get a good episode because we did

1423
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:45.599
yesterday's Enterprise is our 1st episode and all of the rest of

1424
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.159
them have been...

1425
00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:48.119
All good things.

1426
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.099
Well, you didn't lie out very much, but most people consider it a

1427
00:57:53.099 --> 00:57:53.400
classic.

1428
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1429
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.219
Okay, okay, fine.

1430
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:56.639
That's right.

1431
00:57:56.699 --> 00:57:59.460
Although you do realise, don't you, that this is 90s track, 90s

1432
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:00.480
track, 90s track.

1433
00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:02.940
We are going to have to either head to Kurtzman or original after

1434
00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:03.179
this.

1435
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.460
Yeah, we'll have to do something different.

1436
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.340
But, you know, I just can't leave the podcast in a state where

1437
00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:09.239
Star Trek.

1438
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:11.760
The next generation is shat the bed so comprehensively.

1439
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.639
Can't you change the random ices and then you can just select

1440
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.460
certain seasons because if you just...

1441
00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:20.159
Well, not now, not by recording this.

1442
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.820
All right.

1443
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.780
Okay, here goes.

1444
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:32.039
So this is series 6 and it's part 2 of a two-parter.

1445
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:37.559
It's chain of command, which is obviously a pretty big deal, but

1446
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:44.280
we've done a few TNG 2 parters, and I actually start to check out

1447
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.820
in season six, which might be an interesting thing to talk about

1448
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:49.380
but let's not do it next week.

1449
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.280
Okay.

1450
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:51.780
Press it again.

1451
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:59.400
Another series, 6, episode 19, lessons with Australia's Wendy

1452
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.460
Hughes as Picard's love interest.

1453
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.360
Yeah, but it's another, it's a shitty romance.

1454
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.000
It's certainly better than this, let's be honest.

1455
00:59:09.059 --> 00:59:09.960
Oh yeah, for sure.

1456
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:12.179
And I think there's some really nice scenes in it.

1457
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.639
And Wendy Hughes is some pretty good over.

1458
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:16.860
I actually believe the relationship and that's half the battle

1459
00:59:16.860 --> 00:59:18.539
with...

1460
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.880
And we never see her or mention her again.

1461
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:24.239
Not this one.

1462
00:59:26.579 --> 00:59:30.900
Well, you know how this was the planet of terrible Scottish

1463
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:31.679
stereotypes.

1464
00:59:31.739 --> 00:59:33.179
Oh, don't tell me it's up in the long ladder.

1465
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.199
It's up the line.

1466
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.179
Oh no, we can't go from that to that.

1467
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:37.679
We can't go through that.

1468
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.840
The worst thing you could possibly press off for that one is code

1469
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:40.380
of honour.

1470
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.039
Yeah, yeah.

1471
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.800
Maybe Star Trek the Next Generation is a bit shit.

1472
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:44.460
Just a sec.

1473
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.820
This is series 5, episode 15.

1474
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.300
It is very much business as usual.

1475
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.760
It's not a great classic, but it's good and reasonably solid.

1476
00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:01.980
It's power play.

1477
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.019
I love power play.

1478
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.579
Oh, my God.

1479
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.619
This is one of my, and I'll tell you what, right?

1480
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.360
This will give me a chance to have at you about how well directed

1481
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:14.519
90s trek can be.

1482
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:17.880
I think this one is actually pretty dynamically directed.

1483
01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:19.679
David Liverson, and he's really nice.

1484
01:00:19.739 --> 01:00:20.579
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1485
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.940
And it's Marina 30s being an evil bitch, which is always amazing.

1486
01:00:24.059 --> 01:00:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1487
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:25.860
Yeah, awesome.

1488
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:26.880
Let's do that.

1489
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:39.059
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1490
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:40.500
and Nathan Bottomley.

1491
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.219
You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you

1492
01:00:44.219 --> 01:00:47.159
can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1493
01:00:47.219 --> 01:00:51.179
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1494
01:00:51.179 --> 01:00:52.860
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1495
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.900
This episode was recorded on the 7th of April 2022 and released on

1496
01:00:57.900 --> 01:00:59.340
the 15th of April.

1497
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:03.420
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the next generation

1498
01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:04.139
PowerPlay.