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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we had what I can only call a stroke of extreme good fortune last time we met in that on our 1st go, we rolled the 1994 Star Trek, The Next Generation Classic Sub-Rosa.

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Well, I'd say we defied all olds and good sense because you said to me whilst I was staring at my screen in astonishment, is it sub-brosa?

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, I just approved to you that it was.

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I had to hold it up to the screen.

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I didn't think you were going to believe me.

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And I do find it very strange that of the 900 Star Trek episodes, you actually picked the one that gave me that look of astonishment.

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Well, there you go.

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JavaScript, a magical thing.

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I'm going to tell you something now, Nathan, my look of astonishment did not stop the entire 45 minutes.

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I watched this episode.

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So like, I have to say that I think some of the hatred for this episode, and before I finish that sentence, let me just say, it is a bad episode.

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Okay.

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I'm going that terrible.

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It's terrible on a level.

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I suppose we watch a bit of television and you just can't wait like thinking, what were they thinking?

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So clearly they're trying to do sort of Gothic romance, and it's a story by Jerry Taylor, who will be executive producer of Voyager any minute now at this point.

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And she will introduce a holiday program based on Rebecca, you know, the mysterious Lord Farfavar.

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Do you know what his name is?

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Burley, Burley.

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Burley, who has his name?

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Oh, anyway, doesn't he?

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No, no, no, it is in like 2 or 3 episodes and they don't do anything with it.

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It's not a running storyline.

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It's just, Jane, we're getting her rocks off playing governess.

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It's very strange.

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But I think what's happening is that Gothic romance novels are traditionally women's concerns.

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And so I think some of the scorn that gets heaped on this episode is because it's a romance instead of having space battles and guns and stuff.

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So there's a sort of level of contempt for that sort of girly stuff.

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Now, I think this fucks it up mightily and absolutely makes Beverly seem like a massive idiot.

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So I don't think this is a great moment in the history of feminism.

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They do have absolute contempt for this because they don't just run it as a Gothic fantasy.

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They give every single, like, supernatural thing in this, a technobabble explanation.

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And I know it's an episode of Star Trek.

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But if you're going to go for this, just go for it, you know?

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Yeah, but 90 Star Trek's never going to do that.

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I think even probably later iterations of Star Trek would have struggled to do that.

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They have had things that are unexplained.

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Remember the Royale, the other much loved episode of Star Trek, The Next Generation from series 2, was it Gothic fantasy though, was it?

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No, no, no, but no explanations given for why there is a casino on that gas giant or whatever or why they could lift there or who made it or what's going on.

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Do you know what?

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I can't wait till we get to that one because that one had such a trouble that the, it was beaten out of shape from what it was originally, what Tracy Tormay wrote to what ended up on screen.

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That's like one of the most troubled episodes of Star Trek ever, probably what I turned out so terrible, honest.

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But do you know what?

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we have to say one thing, right?

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We do have to say one thing about Sub Rosa.

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And that is Gates McFadden, who is extraordinarily appallingly wonderful in this.

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Yeah.

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Like, like, if you're going to be handed an episode where, you know, essentially you're wanking off to nothing.

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You just got to go for it, haven't you?

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And she really does.

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If she'd been visibly embarrassed by the material, no one would have blamed her, I think, but it would have made the whole thing a lot less enjoyable, and she certainly absolutely goes for it.

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And, you know, her default mode is very wooden and very exposition heavy.

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And so getting her to do something else.

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Actually, I think often works, not here, but at least it gets us to see her doing something pretty incredible.

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It's very strange though, isn't it?

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They do have this thing in genre television where they want people to have orgasms to nothing.

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You remember that episode of Buffy, when I was at wall in the house, and then whenever anyone touched it, they had an insane orgasm.

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Oh my god, no.

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Yeah, that was in like series 4 and everyone's doing like writhing orgasm.

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Oh no.

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And then, of course, you had the game in series 5 when they played when they got to the next level.

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And there's Nurse Gower in the turbo list going, nutting in the turbo list.

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You know, like...

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But you know what?

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I'll tell you what, something that really stood out from the next because I think this is supposed to be super sexy, this episode, yeah.

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It really isn't at all, is it?

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It's just a bit gross.

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Yeah, I think it is a bit gross.

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And I think, you know, like we're not the audience.

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I mean, even though we're gay men, and so we're into men, right, that is not at all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if anyone home knows that.

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This, you know, He's not Colin Firth, I can tell you that.

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And he is sort of creepy and massively unlikeable.

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And as Picard points out, Beverly under his influence is also massively unlikeable.

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So the whole thing doesn't really go anywhere.

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So, like, yeah, there's failure all over the place, I think.

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Well, and let's not forget, this is our 3rd episode from series 7 of the next generation.

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Like we have been rolling a lot of series.

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And it just, it ain't great, is it?

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This season is not great.

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And this is a show that has proven itself across it 7 years now.

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Yeah.

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Oh, what is going wrong?

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Oh, why they're churning out this bloody nonsense. halfway through the last year.

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You know?

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I have a feeling that they're busy with pre-production on Voyager and Generations and they're also running Deep Space 9 and I think they've taken their eye off the ball.

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Absolutely.

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And Ron Moore says himself, we just didn't know what to do with these characters anymore.

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They just weren't well defined enough.

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And so, you know, we're going to put them in incredibly, you know, data's going to have nightmares and Beverly Crusher's gonna fuck a ghost and, you know, the magical brick and holodeck.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, I love that one actually.

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Awful episode.

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Oh, it's one of my least favourites.

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Look, before we go in, right, can I can I assault you with some sound bites from the production group?

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Please do.

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Because everyone's got an opinion on subbrosa after the after it was released.

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Okay, so Brandon Bragger says, I've come to notice that whenever you infuse a show with sexual themes, some of the fans seem to short circuit.

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Yeah, that's not the reason, Brennan.

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No.

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It's Gene Roddenbury.

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I tell you what, he would be pumping Star Trek full of sex, wasn't he?

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And loving it.

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Renee Echivaria says every woman on the lot who read it was coming up to Brannan and patting him, like congratulating him on this.

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Yeah, I can see the look of pain on your face.

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But, you know, there is, you know, that is kind of what I touched on it is at least an episode that kind of touches on what are traditionally women's concerns.

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It's just that it fucks it up so badly.

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Ronald D. Moore says, I kind of like it, and he's not one to not criticise Star Trek when it goes wrong.

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I thought it was good to try a different genre on TNG and mix things up a little.

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It's not a perfect show by any means but I'm glad we did it.

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I reckon that's fair.

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The retailer says the lovemaking without a partner.

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This is not easy stuff to do, and Gates commits herself to it. absolutely.

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Well, that is absolutely 100% true.

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But my favourite soundbite of all is Brandon Bragger again.

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Where he goes, it was the best performance I've ever seen.

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I thought she did a wonderful job.

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Picard catches Beverly masturbating for crying out loud.

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What a tough role to play.

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When I was writing the words, she arrives around in bed, having invisible sex.

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I just thought, oh man, we're asking for trouble.

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Are we going to be able to pull this off?

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But thanks to director Jonathan Frase and Gates.

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It's not hokey.

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Oh jeez.

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I mean, this is the reason that 90s trek is so bad at sex.

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It's these people in charge of it.

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If you think about Michael and Ash or Michael and Book in Discovery.

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They, you know, like their sexual relationship is hot and isn't embarrassing and it's treated like a relationship between 2 adults.

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It's not this sophomoric bullshit where you've got a middle-aged man writing a scene where Gates McFadden gets to pretend to flick herself off while her boss walks in.

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Like, that's, Jesus Christ, that's so bad.

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The best quote of always, though, Braga goes, even Rick Berman said, I can't believe we're doing this.

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If Rick Bowen thinks it's too much, well then, yeah, maybe we've gone over a cliff somewhere, you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, I think we should watch it, but I think we should make it clear that we have established that the problem here is 100% Brennan Braga.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I think, you know what?

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I think the script is written and they do their best with it.

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But, yeah.

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What else could they do with this?

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You know, like, they do, they, I mean, we're going to talk about this.

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They do put a bit of money on the screen, I think.

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There's an attempt.

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Oh, okay, well, you'll get there.

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We're going to have a fight.

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Yeah, okay.

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Oh, well, let's go into it, shall we?

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All right.

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I'm desperate to watch Beverly Crusher masturbating.

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I don't think that sentence has ever been uttered before.

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By a gay man.

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Here we go.

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Well, by anyone.

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Here we go.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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You missed the opportunity then to do that in a cod Scottish accent.

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So tell me what you think of this set.

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I love it.

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I love this whole set and I, well, not so much this shot, although he does shoot it from interesting angles.

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It's just a bit different from the norm.

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It ain't your usual stock forest set.

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Like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer would do graveyard sets, and I think this is better than the ones that they do in Buffy.

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In fact, there's one bit later on where the cameras are back and there's a wide angle and you've got like all trees in the background and like what looks like an entire church.

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Like, they've got a big space to work in.

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And I think they light it quite well as well and go on.

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Tell me why it's terrible.

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No, no.

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I agree with you.

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I think that they do do...

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Oh, look, that looks so shit though.

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Look at that shot.

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It just looks like a daytime soap opera. why the fuck can't we just go outside?

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Do you know where there are churches that you don't have to build out of fibreglass outside?

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This is a daytime soap. are you talking about?

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I think that they I think they get reasonably good at making these sets and at lighting them.

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And I remember thinking, uh, um, hollow pursuits, you know, the holiday set there.

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I remember thinking the inner lights is well lid.

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It's entirely indoors.

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You know, that shot... now and again, you know that.

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You know that colony set that they have that they use in every show.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Every now and again, they like that really and shoot it extremely good.

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Look at the, look at the red sky in the background.

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I'm getting total kind of spectre of the gun vibe.

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Season one, TNG all over again.

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Okay, well, while the title music's playing, I need to ask you, planet of the Scottish people.

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Oh Jesus Christ.

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Like, I want like, firstly, it's sort of fetishising Britain, right?

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Why the fuck don't they go to a planet which has based itself on Tasmania?

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Yeah?

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Why do we do that?

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And the planet?

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New Adelaide.

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You're not going to have a Gothic romance set in Tasmania, are you?

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Maybe, maybe you could, where they're all related to one another.

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I do think there is this romanticised idea of Great Britain, you know?

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And whenever these sort of episodes hit in America.

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It generally is British actors they pull in to play the romantic heroes, isn't it?

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For some reason, the sort of Colin Fur types.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But this guy's American.

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And the guy Ned Quint, who's warning them, he was born in Dublin, he's Irish.

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So I don't think anyone Scottish has been involved.

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Maybe they walked out early on or something.

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I mean, the only thing they don't have. is black pudding in this, you know, like is at one point he goes, oh, no, the fog's coming in.

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We're going to have to cancel the cable tossing tournament tomorrow.

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That's it.

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We're going to have to cancel the pub brawl, the brawl in a pub car park contest.

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No, they do that in Fairhaven, didn't they?

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Irish Town.

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Jesus Christ.

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I mean, okay, there is, but there is this thing, and I, I, it does annoy me, and I don't think any American show in the 90s is exempt that whenever they're looking in this direction, and they're putting it on the screen.

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Um, it's just awful and it's every cliche imaginable, you know?

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Now, I've talked about Doctor Who looking in the other direction and getting it all completely wrong, but it's very humbling when people are looking at Britain and delving into stereotypes.

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Oh, can I just say one thing, right?

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I really, no, the dialogue's terrible.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But I do like the chemistry between Gates McFadden and Marina Surtis.

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And they're getting a bit more stuff together as well, you know?

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Yeah.

225
00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:56.460
So, Ronan is here in dialogue 35 years old.

226
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I think he looks my age.

227
00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:01.919
There we go.

228
00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:05.039
And it turns out he's 50.

229
00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.240
No, he's not.

230
00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:08.220
He's he's 42 at this point.

231
00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.799
But he just looks really rough.

232
00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.179
Like he doesn't look like a young man.

233
00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.779
He looks younger later when he's Chicago.

234
00:15:16.019 --> 00:15:18.480
Yeah, maybe it's the outfit.

235
00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:20.399
Stupid hair.

236
00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:22.440
Does he have stupid hair as a car?

237
00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:27.539
Uh, Yeah, he's got he has got that kind of romanticised wavy.

238
00:15:27.659 --> 00:15:29.700
I've just put a lot of shampoo in my hair. look.

239
00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.179
Can you just look at this set properly, please?

240
00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.039
Look at how terrible it is.

241
00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:38.879
Look at they've got a bit of wind going through the trees.

242
00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.159
There's some...

243
00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:45.779
There's some shots later on. point them out to you when he shoots this set really, really well.

244
00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.820
Okay, maybe you're doing the best job in the wedding.

245
00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.179
But at least it's not on the ship and, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

246
00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.620
It's different from the norm.

247
00:15:52.740 --> 00:15:55.320
And you can say that about this episode a lot.

248
00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.620
So I don't know what this guy is doing.

249
00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.659
Like, this guy has extra nostrils.

250
00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:03.539
He's a massive.

251
00:16:03.779 --> 00:16:05.039
Yeah, it's like, what are we doing?

252
00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:11.879
It's like, we've done all the sensible things we can do with latex at this and we've done Varia.

253
00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:16.019
And so now we're doing this guy with a face like a pig into extra nostrils.

254
00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.440
It happens when they get truly desperate when they've run out of all ideas.

255
00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:21.059
You know what you get, don't you?

256
00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.879
Oh, they paint them blue or something.

257
00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:26.220
Oh, you get the bone mole and the white coat angers.

258
00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:27.419
Oh Jesus Christ.

259
00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.659
I will never, ever not put in a reference to that.

260
00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:31.500
The boat bar, right?

261
00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:32.460
Yeah.

262
00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:35.460
I mean, we had the Cardassians in their stupid head harnesses.

263
00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:38.759
What do you think of the old dress uniform?

264
00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:45.539
Um, Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad they don't use it too much in DS9 or Voyager.

265
00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.580
I want to, they look, all looks like they're wearing dresses.

266
00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.019
There's nothing wrong with that.

267
00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.220
They get rid of like it.

268
00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:51.600
Look at these two.

269
00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.220
Like they're coming into the house now.

270
00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.440
This is a nice dress uniform.

271
00:16:55.500 --> 00:16:58.200
Yeah, yeah, but it's, yeah.

272
00:16:58.259 --> 00:17:06.119
Well, maybe maybe I'm just spoiled because the dreary TNG sets are so boring normally, you know?

273
00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:09.299
So this just feels a bit more visually interesting.

274
00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.099
When they go outside.

275
00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:18.779
You know, think about, I don't know, what's the, what's the, is it futures past, future imperfect?

276
00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.420
What's like, what's the one?

277
00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.680
No, what's the one in Voyager with Sarah Silverman?

278
00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:27.960
Oh, Futures End, yeah.

279
00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:28.619
Futures end.

280
00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:29.759
You know, they go outside.

281
00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:30.420
It's fun.

282
00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:31.740
You know, go outside.

283
00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:36.059
Oh, don't you even pretend that Voyage Rain above giving us the inside.

284
00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.259
Oh, no, I know.

285
00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

286
00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.019
You're just saying they should go outside more.

287
00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:41.039
Yes.

288
00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:46.559
No, because they're spending too much money on these expensive actors in their regular cars, you know?

289
00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:49.200
They didn't cast expensive eggs.

290
00:17:49.259 --> 00:17:50.640
Every time she said nana.

291
00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:51.960
And I had the subtitles on.

292
00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:53.160
I kept hearing seeing Nan.

293
00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:53.940
You're thinking of.

294
00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:54.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

295
00:17:54.839 --> 00:18:07.140
But I did notice, um, the last time I watched TNG through, they, they, they made a concerted effort to give the women of the show, the 2 women a bit more time together.

296
00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:15.119
And I did like that, and I was like, I, I kind of couldn't, but the dialogue is very, very short, neighbours, isn't it?

297
00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:18.960
Yeah, but it's also a man riding for women as well.

298
00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.299
That doesn't have to be terrible though.

299
00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:25.440
I mean, no, but most TV, I think you're fine.

300
00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.799
Most television across the ages is men, right, and for women.

301
00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:35.400
Yeah, but like it's, it's Brandon Braga writing for women about sex.

302
00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:37.920
It's just never, ever going to come off well.

303
00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:40.259
He should stick to space anomalies.

304
00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:47.640
I love the bit later on where they're doing their, um, well, they're going off to do their leotard, what's it called?

305
00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:51.180
Aerobics. and shoot boxer red in the dog goes, hi, Bev.

306
00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:57.000
I actually like this bit of her performance.

307
00:18:57.059 --> 00:19:02.039
I think she's actually selling what Beverly's feelings. come home from her nana's funeral.

308
00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:04.259
She's surrounded by...

309
00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.059
Yeah, she's sad.

310
00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.059
Like she wraps herself up in the thing.

311
00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.319
It's underplate.

312
00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:11.220
It goes for quite a while.

313
00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:12.299
There's no dialogue.

314
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:13.980
Here's her noticing the journal.

315
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.599
Don't read the journal, Beverly.

316
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.880
It is astonishing, though, right?

317
00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:21.900
It is astonishing to think this is directed by the same guy who directed 1st contact, isn't he?

318
00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:23.039
Yeah, yeah.

319
00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:23.700
Yeah.

320
00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:30.539
But again, you know, this is just domestic concerns. and I think Star Trek doesn't do enough of it.

321
00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:35.099
I think here it does it very badly, but I'd love to see more of this stuff.

322
00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:41.039
Almost willing to believe that's the same staircase, staircase that they use for that colony set, you know.

323
00:19:41.099 --> 00:19:42.900
They're just dressed around there.

324
00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:43.920
Oh, here's it.

325
00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.859
Oh, this man, he's like, oh, Beverly Crusher.

326
00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.859
There's no good at staying in this house, is there?

327
00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:51.420
But he's Irish.

328
00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.420
He doesn't do a Scottish accent anymore convincingly than you do.

329
00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.200
My name's Ford, all right?

330
00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:02.400
Irish.

331
00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:06.000
Do you see that shot there?

332
00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:10.920
Okay, I'm reaching here, but there was a lovely shot of Beverly in the mirror there behind him.

333
00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:11.759
Did you see that?

334
00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:14.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

335
00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:20.099
I mean, this is like, candle I bought nothing but misery, Nathan.

336
00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:26.819
Yeah, look, complaining about the cliches here is missing the point, isn't it?

337
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.220
Oh, no, you got to have these scenes.

338
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:30.119
Yeah, yeah.

339
00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:36.839
It's it's putting it in this environment where you've got to establish what sort of genre we're in.

340
00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:40.019
Yeah, it's like, you know, all the, it's like anything in that nation.

341
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.680
Like, oh, you know, we don't have strangers ear when, yeah, yeah, yeah.

342
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:44.400
And things like that.

343
00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:45.660
Yeah, you've gone out.

344
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.240
Last week where it was, leave me.

345
00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:49.200
I'm just holding you back.

346
00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.359
That was so wonderful.

347
00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:53.460
Rebecca.

348
00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:59.279
It's telling you what genre we know. telling you what sort of story it's telling.

349
00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:00.960
Oh, God. okay.

350
00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:04.380
Every single time we head back to the Enterprise. my brain just switched off.

351
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:09.599
Oh, they're talking, it's taking the babble the whole time, giving excuses for what's going on on the planet.

352
00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:11.700
Yeah, yeah.

353
00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.380
And it could just be a space thing.

354
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.960
It could just be, we don't know, it's a space thing.

355
00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:17.279
That would be fine.

356
00:21:18.059 --> 00:21:25.559
No, I would literally rather have more scenes of Beverly Crusher flicking herself off than to this day of Apple, honestly.

357
00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:29.700
Well, maybe it's a variety of characters coming into the room.

358
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.279
LeVar Burton's had a smart haircut there.

359
00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:35.400
Yeah, I like him some later haircut.

360
00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:37.619
Do you remember the few episodes where he has a beard?

361
00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.779
I mean, it's made famous by that meme, but yeah, it is a very good look.

362
00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:43.619
Is it a real beard?

363
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:48.299
Because you remember when they Avery books, they gave him a beard before he grew his beard and then that beard.

364
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.619
Oh, is that fake at the end of it?

365
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.740
Oh, God, so fake in Explorers on the one after that.

366
00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:54.000
No, it is.

367
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:58.920
It is because his actual beard's very wispy, whereas it's matted and dark black.

368
00:21:58.980 --> 00:21:59.819
It's, yeah.

369
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:01.799
I'm going to have another look.

370
00:22:01.859 --> 00:22:06.420
Look at these 2 in the background there, touching the consoles, pretending they're doing something exciting.

371
00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:07.680
Oh, bless them.

372
00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:08.700
They earned their money.

373
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.160
Yeah, this is...

374
00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.140
This is a nothing scene, isn't it?

375
00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:14.339
Oh, there's that line.

376
00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:15.599
Oh, the cable toss.

377
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:16.740
Jesus Christ.

378
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:19.440
I know.

379
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:19.920
Yeah.

380
00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:24.240
And like, it's Scotland, and he's complaining that there'll be rain.

381
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:30.119
Like, this is Scotland imagined from LA.

382
00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:32.640
Have you ever been to Scotland yourself?

383
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:36.180
Okay, so I really love going out to Edinburgh in Inverness.

384
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.099
I've been sort of 4 or 5 times now.

385
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.259
And Scotland's one of the few places in the world that when it's raining, it's even more beautiful.

386
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:49.440
I mean, the smell that comes off like the heather when it's just, it's mesmerising.

387
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.880
Um, yeah, so another thing there, they're getting wrong.

388
00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:57.059
Yeah, well, again, they can't do it.

389
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:03.900
That's the other problem is that they can't do a convincing Scotland because all they've got is this church and a graveyard.

390
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:04.680
That's all they have.

391
00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:07.200
So they can't create a sense of what Scotland looks like.

392
00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.259
I misread that subtitle then.

393
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.380
It looked like Beverly Crusher said, and then a very handsome man tossed on her grave.

394
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.039
Give it when this episode ends up.

395
00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:18.359
I wouldn't be at all surprised.

396
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:19.319
Yeah.

397
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.779
So he's 35.

398
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:30.779
He's been boning Nana and this line here, I should give you time to get your grandmother's affairs in order.

399
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.180
That's got to be a gag.

400
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.380
The thing is, right?

401
00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:39.180
He plays the last line, like a joke, because he looks at the camera and doesn't like an eyebrow.

402
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.539
Oh, okay.

404
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:47.400
So this is your travelling scene here because essentially Ronan is is currently raping.

405
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.839
This is super rarely crusher.

406
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:49.079
Yeah.

407
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:57.720
But then I don't think the women involved in the production team were reading it like this because, you know, they're going up to Brandon Bragger and patting him on the back.

408
00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:59.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

409
00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:08.220
And, like, maybe they don't see how this turns out and maybe in retrospect, it seems worse than it did at the time.

410
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.380
But it does seem bad.

411
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:12.960
And I know that he's a bad guy.

412
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:24.779
And because he's a bad guy, I don't know how to feel about this episode, like, because it doesn't bear any relationship, like, Like, Felicia had fun.

413
00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:32.099
She got to have sex, and, you know, all those Howard women got to have sex with what's his face, Duncan Regear, whatever his name is.

414
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

415
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.940
And that's all sort of hugely exciting.

416
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.180
And then this, this, why is she having this dream?

417
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:46.740
Because she's been reading the very detailed explicit account... of her grandmother.

418
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:50.099
Like, it's outrageous.

419
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.019
Just stop reading it.

420
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:58.500
I don't know, Nathan, if you ever explored the darker areas of the internet, you know, there are like incest sites out there and things like that.

421
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.119
There's a place for this sort of stuff.

422
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:04.140
Yeah, yeah, but just grandma, please, not grandma.

423
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:09.779
Did you see that fabulous woman that walked past in the red dress that looked like she'd stepped straight out of the original series?

424
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.880
I kind of like that.

425
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.640
Sometimes they do a sort of 60s-ish, um, look for their casual clothes.

426
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.059
Do you know, I just think the uniform's got more boring over time.

427
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:21.599
Okay.

428
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:24.059
TOS those primary colours are lovely.

429
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:25.740
And then these are all right.

430
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.039
And then by the time we get to Enterprises, the plumber outfits and it's just very dull.

431
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:29.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

432
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:31.200
Yeah, that's a shame.

433
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.960
You were saying, you know, in Descent, that Deanna Troy was a bit kinky.

434
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.960
When she was saying to Data, you know, watch a bit of...

435
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:42.720
Oh, she was enjoying hearing about his porn consumption.

436
00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

437
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:45.839
Oh, yeah.

438
00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:49.319
I wonder if I'll have another dream tonight.

439
00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:50.519
Who talks like this?

440
00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:56.099
You and I have no secrets, Joe, but we don't talk like this.

441
00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:03.119
If you started talking to me about erotic dreams you were happening, I'd be absolutely riveted, please start.

442
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:03.660
Oh okay.

443
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:04.680
Well, maybe they'll start.

444
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:05.220
Thank you.

445
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:15.539
This is quite nice, look, isn't it a little bit misty and the lights have come down, you know, the trees are fluttering in the wheels. of the gun background.

446
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:18.960
They've even put a little light on in the church window.

447
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:19.200
Look.

448
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:21.779
I think that's nice though.

449
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.119
I think that that looks all right.

450
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:27.180
The lawn looks like a butcher shop window.

451
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.140
It's really bad.

452
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.039
She was a grand lady, all right.

453
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.799
I'm not sure what accent I'm doing now.

454
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:36.839
No, well, neither is he.

455
00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:39.299
This massive row the day before.

456
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.099
Now they're getting on like best of friends.

457
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.960
Yeah, very strange.

458
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:44.460
Yeah, no.

459
00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:46.980
And...

460
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:48.059
Oh, yeah.

461
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.619
He dies in the most terrible style.

462
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:50.880
He dies in a space accident.

463
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:54.059
He falls down the smallest flight of stairs, doesn't he?

464
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.200
pretty funny.

465
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.180
Yeah.

466
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.220
Look, see, we've got some wind happening.

467
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.019
Oh, he's doing the lilac.

468
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Just do not light that candle.

469
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.319
In a light candle.

470
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.240
He's out now. wandering across the land.

471
00:27:09.539 --> 00:27:13.200
And like all of that's actually not so terrible.

472
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.400
That's the sort of stupid cliche that we want.

473
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:25.079
I think it's when she starts resigning and orgasming all over the house and Picard walks in.

474
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:28.259
That's when it kind of really goes awry this episode.

475
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.279
And when the woman comes up out of the grave, I'm just like, what is going on now?

476
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.599
I mean, there's broad, Nathan, and there's broad.

477
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:37.619
Yeah.

478
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:44.700
But I mean, this this guy warning a speech is a thing that we do in this genre, that's perfectly fine.

479
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.160
But that's all there is.

480
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:51.900
Is green lightning makes it look even more fake, doesn't it?

481
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.579
Yeah, well, yeah.

482
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:54.059
Yeah.

483
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:55.200
They didn't need to do it.

484
00:27:55.259 --> 00:28:00.539
I mean, it's space lightning because it's terraforming and this is still Star Trek and they can't leave it alone.

485
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:05.819
It would have looked better if it was just normal white lighting.

486
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.980
Note, only the trees in the foreground are moving because the others are painted on the fucking wall.

487
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:16.980
Well, this was discovery, we'd have a load of CGI trees and now, and it looked incredibly convincing.

488
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.019
No, they probably just film outside.

489
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.539
Yeah, they did, didn't they?

490
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:22.619
When they went to the Troll planet.

491
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.460
They filmed outside.

492
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.079
I buy a nice lake.

493
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:25.920
Yeah.

494
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:31.140
Although everyone was still in a full 90s trek costumes, weren't they?

495
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:32.039
Well, deliberately.

496
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.660
What's to say?

497
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:44.519
Jonathan Frakes says in an interview about this. that he thinks that Gates McFadden looks as beautiful as she's ever looked in the next generation and that she looks like a movie starlet.

498
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:45.779
And I don't disagree with that.

499
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.039
I actually think she is.

500
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:51.900
And when they give her the green eyes later on, and there's some shock, she just looks absolutely stunning.

501
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.180
I think she's always been stunning.

502
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.099
She is coming out of the rain.

503
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.039
Showing around her head.

504
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:00.599
And isn't there flowers?

505
00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:02.339
Isn't there like flowers all over the house now?

506
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:09.599
I mean, this would creep me the fuck out if I walked into my house and it was covered in black.

507
00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:10.680
That's right.

508
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:13.140
Remember what happened to Giles in that Buffy episode?

509
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:14.220
Jesus Christ.

510
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.220
This, I mean, he's super rapey.

511
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:26.579
But that is also, let's be fair, part of the genre because the man is a problem in some way or he's controlling or something.

512
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.940
You know, there's like that is part of the genre.

513
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:51.779
And even in more recent, like, romantic comedy, if you watch recent romantic comedy on the whole, the men are super creepy and raping, like if it happen to you in real life, you know, you're trying to leave and someone runs and tries to stop you at the airport or whatever, like all of that, you know, refusing to give up, I'm going to keep following you, all of that stuff.

514
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:53.700
Until you relent, you know.

515
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.779
Well, it feels a bit controlling, doesn't it?

517
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.220
I mean, this feels very controlling.

518
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.480
Well, and it should be literally holds her down at one and...

519
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.019
Yeah.

520
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:09.779
But if anyone had a sense that that was what this episode was about. creep in the mirror.

521
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.420
If anyone had a sense of what this was about.

522
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:28.140
I mean, if this was about that, imagine it was a relationship about that. not a relationship, an episode about that, about a controlling relationship where he gets her to quit her job.

523
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.579
It's nearly there.

524
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:39.420
It's so nearly there because when she decides to leave him is when she has a choice between following him and healing Picard and she's a doctor, it's her job, it's...

525
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:41.099
There's no tension there.

526
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.640
There's no... of the fact that she's conflicted.

527
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.900
She's just like, oh, well, I've had an orgasm for the 1st time in 20 years.

528
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.019
I'm going to quit and go and spend my life with a ghost.

529
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.460
What about that?

530
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.240
What about that trill?

531
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.119
Oh, yeah.

532
00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.119
But she couldn't hand it, though, could she, when that trail became a woman?

533
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:00.599
No.

534
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.140
No.

535
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.079
The universe is not ready for bisexuality.

536
00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:06.480
It's very, very confronting.

537
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:07.259
Honestly.

538
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.539
But what you said there.

539
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.759
Is it if they could kind of give it that sort of?

540
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:14.400
I don't think anyone's thinking along those lines at all.

541
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:18.299
They were just like, oh, this is fun and sexy and weird, you know.

542
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:18.779
Yeah.

543
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.039
But there's nothing to it.

544
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.000
And that's the problem.

545
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:28.259
And if it had been played in any way real, you know, like if it had been like it obviously has to be exaggerated, it has to be melodramatic.

546
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.579
That's all fine.

547
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.000
She's literally licking the wall.

548
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:36.299
Oh, Ronan, leave me alone.

549
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.700
I mean, look, I do need to complain.

550
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.359
Sorry to you, though.

551
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.119
Like when when TNG is this terrible.

552
00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:47.339
Yeah, there's a few examples of this.

553
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.960
Justice is another great one as well.

554
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.539
Yes, that is equally terrible on that.

555
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.000
It's just deliriously enjoyable.

556
00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:55.200
Oh, no.

557
00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:55.559
You know.

558
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

559
00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.299
Yeah, this is not boring and it's not forgettable.

560
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.039
The previous episode.

561
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:02.640
Not forgettable.

562
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.359
Are you kidding?

563
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.460
It's not forgettable.

564
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:13.500
The previous episode is called Homewards, and I defy the listener at home to tell me in one sentence what the fuck happens in that.

565
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.000
Wolf, isn't it?

566
00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:15.480
That's it.

567
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.200
Wolf on planet.

568
00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:17.640
Oh, Wolf.

569
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:18.900
Long lost brother.

570
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.859
And on location.

571
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:21.359
Oh, yeah, I think we probably are.

572
00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:22.920
It's a family episode in series 7.

573
00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:24.180
Another family episode.

574
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:25.079
Maybe you could have guessed that.

575
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:26.700
But I mean, it's so unmemorable.

576
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.380
They do remake it a bit in insurrection, actually.

577
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.299
I would listen to what he's saying.

578
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.819
I believe you are.

579
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:36.779
I have ever known.

580
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.759
Yeah, yeah.

581
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.440
But look what you're saying.

582
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.599
We're becoming one Beverly.

583
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:43.079
Yeah.

584
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.500
Yeah.

585
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.579
Have you ever tried to seduce a man with that line?

586
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.140
We've become one.

587
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.180
Yeah, within the 1st 5 minutes of a conversation at about...

588
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:57.660
Here we go.

589
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.619
Hi, Bev.

590
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.059
You come into the martial arts today.

591
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.759
What are they playing?

592
00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:04.079
Oh, it's mock bara.

593
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:05.819
It's how they suck up to wharf.

594
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.259
It's how they make him feel needed.

595
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:12.960
Well, no, because Troy's just about to start a romance with Worf, so she's trying to, yeah, trying to impress him.

596
00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:14.339
Oh, she's going to the mudbre class.

597
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.839
Look at that shitty nightdress.

598
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:16.799
Jesus Christ.

599
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:18.059
But you know what, right?

600
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:23.759
You say, like, this is a story written by Jerry Taylor and a script written by Brandon Bragg.

601
00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:33.539
Jerry Taylor actually, she's the one that wrote the episode where Jane Wen Chakotay are on the planet together and there's like the subtle suggestion that they fuck.

602
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.680
Yeah.

603
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.220
And then she cuts it dead because she's responsible for the next season.

604
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.539
And so she writes that and at the end of that episode they say, nope, we ain't going here.

605
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.319
We not going there.

606
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:46.079
So she kind of pushes away from romance.

607
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:47.940
I don't I don't quite get it.

608
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.220
No, I think she's pushing away from serialisation and that seems to be her big thing.

609
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.700
We're not going to have ongoing plot lines.

610
00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:58.619
Yeah.

611
00:33:58.680 --> 00:33:58.980
Yeah.

612
00:33:58.980 --> 00:33:59.579
Yeah.

613
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.720
So we can't do this.

614
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:04.559
And it's... look at her. stunning.

615
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.880
In fact, they both look gorgeous.

616
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.859
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:16.199
I mean, you know, Marina gets better as she goes along as she's allowed to be more marina and the warmth between them is really very clear.

618
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.780
That podcast I listen to, right?

619
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:26.280
The Gates McFadden investigates, and she had Marina service on, and it's so funny because she's really talking in her English accent.

620
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.940
She's there again, here, gatesy, gate seat.

621
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:40.380
I'm moving back to England because you can't get work at my age over here in America, you know, like even the chemistry of real life between them is marvellous, you know?

622
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.119
She's so wonderful.

623
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:49.920
I kind of feel like it's a wasted opportunity because I think really good things could have been done with this relationship between these two.

624
00:34:49.980 --> 00:35:01.679
Like both both subsequent series, like Voyager and Deep Space 9 actually do a proper job of dealing with their women.

625
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.699
Do you know what I mean?

626
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.500
They give women proper things to do.

627
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.139
They don't just resort to caring roles.

628
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:17.519
They aren't an afterthought, you know, I think DS9 was a reaction to this, you know, because Kira and Dax are both, they have very masculine qualities about them.

629
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.000
And they don't have the traditional sort of caring roles as well.

630
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:22.619
This is great.

631
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.920
I'm absolutely on board with the fog rolling in on the bridge.

632
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:28.139
I think that's all that's great.

633
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.760
You know, let's have that.

634
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:30.780
That's really great.

635
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.920
That's Star Trek.

636
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:34.019
They're all confused.

637
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.940
They're all throwing techno babble at it.

638
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.579
Yeah, they're just talking about...

639
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.139
Honestly.

640
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.340
Do you know what they, during they see a Nick, this in DS9, during when they did the fog on the promenade.

641
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.980
It turned out it was Lars, the shape, the shapeshifter.

642
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.059
Oh, the shapeshifter, yeah.

643
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:48.480
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:52.739
And all that fog sucks back in and he becomes the person again.

645
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:53.400
It was amazing.

646
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:54.780
Yeah, what a creep.

647
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:55.380
This looks great.

648
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:59.159
O'Brien is just going, ooh, this is really creepy.

649
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:01.440
I'm walking through a shapeshift, you know?

650
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.340
Yeah, yeah.

651
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.840
You've got Martok in your pants.

652
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:04.860
Is it Martok?

653
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.119
It is my dog.

654
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:07.199
Yeah, JJ has like, yeah.

655
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:08.219
Very different.

656
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.559
When I 1st heard that, I could not really...

657
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:11.159
Yeah.

658
00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:13.619
Oh, here we go.

659
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:14.579
More technical.

660
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.539
Yeah, yeah.

661
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:16.380
This is impossible.

662
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:17.519
They're not even backup system.

663
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:18.900
Oh, here we go.

664
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.039
Ned Quint's about to get it.

665
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:23.760
But look at these look at these panels, right?

666
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.920
There's nothing that moves.

667
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:27.239
They just light on and off.

668
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:28.380
There's no...

669
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.059
What is he doing on the back concept?

670
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.400
He's just like, he's just like tugging at the set.

671
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:33.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

672
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.880
He's trying to kill us all, Nathan.

673
00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:39.719
Oh, that stunt.

674
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.159
Oh, there he is.

675
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:43.019
Oh, that stunt.

676
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:43.920
Whoa ho.

677
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.679
No, but he was killed by the space lightning, though.

678
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.840
I don't think was just a bonus.

679
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:52.800
I mean, anyone is really trying at this point. in next chance run.

680
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.019
Because I'm telling you now, in a year's time.

681
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:05.820
John Frakes would direct the 2nd part of past tense, yeah, where he has soldiers storm that building and like, you know, there's bullets flying and it's really exciting.

682
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.820
Like, well, what the fuck was that in falling down that staircase?

683
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:12.840
We're just like, oh, we'll just put any old shit out now. watch it.

684
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:15.059
Yeah, they're invested in these people.

685
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:16.679
Yeah.

686
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:20.519
I realise I'm sounding a bit critical right now, but I am enjoying this.

687
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.960
Oh, here's our one chance to see Dr. Bev doing what she normally does, just coming in with a medical tricorder.

688
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.360
This is all we normally see of her in a normal episode.

689
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:32.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

690
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:32.820
Yeah.

691
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.940
Oh, you see that the man behind her there?

692
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.980
He's in a few episodes.

693
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:38.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

694
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.619
But generally speaking, he just does that.

695
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.539
Yeah, he he hands all the hypersprays and touches panels and things, you know.

696
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.300
Just in late seasons, though, like not early on, I think.

697
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.739
Well, Alyssa's, you know, getting married and having children and things, you know, yeah.

698
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:57.300
I really like her, you know Yeah, I do too.

700
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:58.800
We don't really find out much about it, do we?

701
00:37:58.860 --> 00:37:59.699
No.

702
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.019
Well, it's so rare to have a secondary character on this show.

703
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.460
There was a reaction against that with DS9 as well.

704
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:09.659
Yeah, yeah.

705
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.679
It's like there's basically 7 people here. do all the jobs.

706
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.760
Look at his hair.

707
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.679
Like, it's not just that stupid nose.

708
00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:23.880
It's his hair as well.

709
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:24.960
The whole thing is just...

710
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.719
His clothes are so perfectly tailored all the time as well, isn't it?

711
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.199
Very strange.

712
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.760
But, oh, dear.

713
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:30.719
Oh, this is great.

714
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.559
Okay, now, now, She's kind of desperate for him now, isn't she?

715
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:38.039
He's taken that to a real high is a pleasure.

716
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:44.699
No, but isn't she, isn't she coming in to get Ronan to explain what happened to Quint?

717
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.579
Isn't she come down?

718
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:49.019
But this is the secret.

719
00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:50.099
I must talk to you.

720
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.239
There's been an accident.

721
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:51.960
Yeah.

722
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:57.719
So she's come down to kind of tell him off because you killed that horrible... guy.

723
00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:01.139
He grabs hold on now, Nathan, in quite a violent way.

724
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:02.400
Like he grabs her in.

725
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.079
It's it's all a bit.

726
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:07.559
Yeah.

727
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.579
Oh, he's so oily.

728
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.019
Yuck.

729
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.739
It's not easy for me to take corporeal form, Nathan.

730
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.480
But I'm here for you.

731
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.320
Don't bother.

732
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.980
Look at me.

733
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.360
That was rude.

734
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.159
I want you to light the candle.

735
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:27.659
Is that euphemism?

736
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.099
It's definitely you.

738
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.340
Okay, just really look at her.

739
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.679
Oh, look, she's like, my dog does that.

740
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:38.760
That's so yucky.

741
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:43.679
I don't think anyone's ever touched my face like that, and it's given me that much pleasure, though, if I'm honest.

742
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:47.579
Unless his whole touch is just like, you know, pure pleasure.

743
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:49.500
Yuck.

744
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.179
Yeah.

745
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:52.260
But that's it.

746
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.000
She's coming to tell him off because he's killed someone and now she's completely just ugh.

747
00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:58.199
You see that lie?

748
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.760
He had that, the power transfer.

749
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.739
Power transfer being. can travel along it.

750
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.079
Renee Chivarius says here.

751
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:10.320
I can still reduce Brandon Bragger to shudders when I go into his office and say, I can travel along the power transfer beam.

752
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:12.360
It's so bad.

753
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.679
Oh, dear.

754
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:17.579
Oh, yuck.

755
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.260
She's touching her lips. lustrous way.

756
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.599
Is that it now?

757
00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:26.940
Is she is she completely under his thrall now?

758
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.360
No, but isn't his, isn't his space thing?

759
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:31.079
Isn't his?

760
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:31.800
Yeah, well, that's it.

761
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.340
I don't know.

762
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.699
But I thought a swirly space thing went up a Jaxi at some point.

763
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.380
And then she starts.

764
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.519
Isn't that what's happening?

765
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:48.119
You know, in the child, where the, where the child, in series 2, episode one, the little Tinker Bell goes along the Enterprise photo.

766
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:49.079
Twinkly light.

767
00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:50.940
Yeah, it goes up into her pants.

768
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:56.940
But here he turns into a swirly green thing and kind of just slumps into her lap.

769
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.039
Oh, here, it's here.

770
00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:00.360
Are we on the ship now?

771
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:06.599
Oh, I think she plays this scene quite well, you know. where she comes in and gets on the bed and she's all a bit anxious and...

772
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

773
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.260
But I think it's not her performance.

774
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.099
It's the problem.

775
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.139
It's that she's so pathetic.

776
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.420
Like, she's so pathetic.

777
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:20.820
No, because in that Gothic fact, they're always under the... completely under the influence.

778
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

779
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.880
Look at how he's grabbing her now.

780
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:26.039
Yeah, oh, oh.

781
00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:28.500
Yeah, like why isn't she screaming or biting his hands?

782
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.380
This entire commentary is you going, ugh.

783
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.599
Yuck, yuck.

784
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.519
Oh, my God.

785
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:40.739
Oh, take care of you Beverly.

786
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.559
Oh, you will feel love.

787
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:44.940
Like you've never felt before.

788
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:45.960
I've used that line a few times.

789
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:46.679
I'm not gonna lie.

790
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.260
Yeah, we all do. works every time.

791
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.960
Well, here we go.

792
00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:54.239
So now he's turned into a green swirly ghost.

793
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:55.380
Yeah, yeah.

794
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.880
And then he's just fading into her.

795
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.980
And Yeah, very slowly.

796
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:04.440
It's very odd though, isn't it?

797
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:09.480
Isn't it odd that this anaphasic energy, like, has this knock on effect of...

798
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:13.139
Oh, I don't I've stopped paying any attention to that.

799
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.179
Oh, look now.

800
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.719
So now she's dressed up properly like a Gothic, you know, fancy, yeah.

801
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:19.320
Yeah, yeah.

802
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:21.360
Although I like her shoes, I have to say.

803
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.519
Actually I quite like the outfit.

804
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.619
The way she delivers that line.

805
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.239
He's like, Beverly, what's this?

806
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:28.800
Why, this plays everything.'m leaving.

807
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:29.159
Goodbye.

808
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:30.360
Energise.

809
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.940
Straight to the point there.

810
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:35.880
Oh my god.

811
00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:38.699
Like, I mean, are we supposed to be buying any of this?

812
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:39.960
She's quitting.

813
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

814
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.780
I mean, she she has tried to quit this season once already.

815
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.639
No, it was in series six.

816
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:49.559
Series 6, she quits.

817
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:50.400
That's suspicious.

818
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.320
And Guidan talks her out of it, yeah.

819
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:53.159
That's right, yeah.

820
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:58.920
Which would have been Whoopi Goldberg's last appearance aside from if it hadn't have been for this season of Picard.

821
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:01.019
No, no, no, she's in generations.

822
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.300
Oh, forgot about that.

823
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.320
That scene in the bar in Picard was amazing.

824
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.519
Fantastic.

825
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:09.960
I got all the feels watching that.

826
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:10.860
Yeah, yeah.

827
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:18.360
And now, look, see, now, look, we're literally going through the motions of like Deanna Troy coming in and going, well, you know, I told I told her she was actually a character, and it's all a bit weird.

828
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:20.760
Why don't you go down to the planet?

829
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:22.920
Like, we know all of this.

830
00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:25.079
This is all just absolute filler.

831
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:25.739
We saw it.

832
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:32.460
She's explaining to him the things that we saw happen. you know, like, what?

833
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:33.599
like, what?

834
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.380
Can I say, right?

835
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:42.780
We had 7 fucking years of these characters acting out of character every time they go for a nebula, every time they go to a planet.

836
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.300
You think they'd be better at reading the science by now, wouldn't you?

837
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.860
Yeah, well, like, you know, you're not...

838
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.960
Have you been taken over?

839
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:52.679
Picard.

840
00:43:52.739 --> 00:44:00.539
Picard wants to fucking nebula in series one and he like, he, he, I don't think he beans himself off the bridge.

841
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.179
That's what's happening.

842
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:04.079
Lonely among us.

843
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:08.219
I'll become one with the fabulous anomaly. bone.

844
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:08.880
It's boning.

845
00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.960
Yeah, exactly.

846
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.340
The Beverly and him are going to become one.

847
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:15.480
Then he turns the whole of the bridge into fabulous blue lightning.

848
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:16.800
It's amazing.

849
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:17.820
It's great seeing you.

850
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.840
You can tell by this point, Patrick Stewart in series one.

851
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:23.219
He's just like, what am I doing here?

852
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.800
What is this script?

853
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:28.440
I was doing Royal Shakespeare at one point.

854
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:33.000
Oh, see, look, we're back in the graveyard at night.

855
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:33.480
Oh my god.

856
00:44:33.539 --> 00:44:34.380
Is this the climax now?

857
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:34.980
We there already?

858
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.500
No, we've got a cut to the flicking herself off in front of the boss scene.

859
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.460
Okay.

860
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:42.659
Interesting though.

861
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.039
If you turn this on now.

862
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.440
If you turn this on, you would not think this was Star Trek the Next Generation, I mean, you can see data there in the background, but, you know...

863
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:57.179
But other shows attempting to, well, I guess Buffy is attempting to do graveyards in the studio, isn't it?

864
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.340
But not at all.

865
00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:01.019
When the old woman comes out, right?

866
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.559
They've clearly just got this like geriatric day player to come in.

867
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.820
Just say the line.

868
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.420
Say the line.

869
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.440
Beverly.

870
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:11.760
I reckon she was probably a movie star in the 1930s.

871
00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:13.619
No, now they would do that.

872
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.579
Now they would bring in someone amazing just for those free lines, you know?

873
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.199
They'd be like, let's get some great.

874
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:22.559
Judy Denshin to play Beverly Crush's grandmother.

875
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.579
Dead grandma.

876
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.380
I bet if we looked at that woman's CV.

877
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.119
She's been a murder, she wrote, you know.

878
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.059
Quincy QC, whatever it's got.

879
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:32.880
Oh, okay.

880
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:41.519
So this is the scene that everybody remembers because this is Beverly Crusher, essentially masturbating as Picard walks in on her.

881
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.659
I had no idea I could feel this way.

882
00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:49.739
Yeah, but it's so, it's horny, isn't it?

883
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.260
Is that how women, like, I don't see...

884
00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:54.780
Yeah, I've never seen women.

885
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.420
But is that what they do?

886
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.079
I don't know.

887
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:02.219
If there are any listeners too untitled Star Trek properties, that happen to be straight.

888
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:04.139
If you could get in touch with us and let us know.

889
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:04.800
Yeah, don't.

890
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:05.639
Please don't.

891
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:10.079
Look, look, look, the shot is literally of her arriving in the chair.

892
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.179
He actually looks like, I'm not going to interrupt for a second.

893
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.019
I'm just gonna watch this.

894
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:18.840
Stop it.

895
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:20.280
Stop it at once.

896
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:21.599
And then he says, Emily.

897
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:24.059
Yeah, but why did he do it before?

898
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.519
Why didn't you just go, I can see you're busy.

899
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.420
I'll be back.

900
00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:30.480
As proof that she is up to no good.

901
00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:37.679
She, like, grabs her rogue and tells herself herself because she's been caught. absolutely plays it like that.

902
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:40.079
Oh my god.

903
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:43.980
Apparently, apparently the cast loved doing this one.

904
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.980
I think they like anything that was a bit out of the norm, you know?

905
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:55.199
Well, it's like the killing game a few weeks ago when we were talking about how much fun the Voyager cast had doing dress-ups in World War 2 things.

906
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:59.340
I mean, of course they like doing this, but, oh, God.

907
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:05.280
I actually can't see the difference, although she is with her eyes.

908
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:07.380
She is looking very contact lensy.

909
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.480
Maybe my screen's too small.

910
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:12.420
I just don't think she's ever looked more beautiful.

911
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.340
You know, they're really stunning.

912
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:15.480
Let her hair down.

913
00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:16.559
Did you know, right?

914
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:18.420
There's a bit of trivia. forgot to drop.

915
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.659
On the gravestones in the graveyard.

916
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.219
They've given, they're all covered in famous movie characters.

917
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:27.719
One of them is called Vader.

918
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:29.519
One of them is called McFly.

919
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:31.679
I think we'll see McFly.

920
00:47:31.739 --> 00:47:33.239
I did see McFly.

921
00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:36.360
So I'll point that out because I think I know where that is.

922
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.219
They don't mind putting in these little Easter eggs.

923
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.659
There's one episode of Star Trek, you know, where they put in all the names of the actors that have played Doctor Who on a pad.

924
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.679
Yeah, the neutral zone.

925
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:44.280
Yeah.

926
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.780
I think they've fixed that for the high date, high definition version.

927
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.800
Do you know what the word Ronan means in Japanese?

928
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:58.619
Isn't it a sort of solitary wandering warrior of some kind, something?

929
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.659
A little less excited.

930
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:01.559
Drifting person.

931
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:05.760
Oh, no, no, but I think it is, I think they're a warrior sort of thing or something.

932
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.719
It's a thing.

933
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:14.460
But, I mean, like, why isn't he called Jock or, you know, if, like, something like that, Shooey.

934
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:19.679
Like, we are on the planet of the Scottish stereotype.

935
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:23.880
Somehow he was called Ronan in 1647 or whenever the fuck he reckons he was born.

936
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:25.199
Now they're in a 2 shot.

937
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:28.860
I've only just noticed the height, discrepancy between Duncan Raker and Gauge McFan.

938
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.679
Well, that's part of it though, isn't it?

939
00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:35.099
A taller controlling man, you know, like that's a thing.

940
00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:39.539
Oh, God his hair.

941
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.599
It's so bad.

942
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:44.699
It's really bad.

943
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:45.960
What happened to him?

944
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:52.019
Patrick Stewart was asked to sell some pretty astonishing scenes in the next generation's run, wasn't he?

945
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.400
Yeah, yeah.

946
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:58.440
Like you said, you know, I know you said in the past, you know, you rate him as an actor, but you don't rate him quite as hard as anyone else.

947
00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:01.920
I feel like he's a massive success when he's selling scenes like this.

948
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:02.699
Yeah, yeah.

949
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.739
Holding his shit together in something like this.

950
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:05.699
Oh, no.

951
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:06.900
Oh.

952
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.579
So hang on.

953
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:10.559
So, so, can I just ask that?

954
00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:16.559
Because, like, obviously, when the green light goes into Beverly, Yeah, she's experiencing great pleasure.

955
00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:18.659
It's the same thing just happened to Picard.

956
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.900
Has he just had like so much pleasure that he's...

957
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.059
That's killing him, like killed dead.

958
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.260
You've been paying attention.

959
00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:28.679
So he's got sex mode and killing people mode.

960
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:31.860
And so here, do you know what I mean?

961
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:41.880
Like there is, there's the bones of an idea about her escaping an abusive, controlling relationship by remembering who she is and who she cares about.

962
00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:48.719
But, you know, and she does get to shoot him dead, which awesome, you know, I'm super into that ending.

963
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:49.679
Oh my god.

964
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.019
Great, it's my favourite performance in that.

965
00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:53.280
Leave her alone.

966
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.920
Yeah, it's sub-rosa. is it Latin?

967
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:00.360
Yeah, yeah.

968
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.000
So it means like under the rose bush or something.

969
00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:11.280
So I don't know why it's used to refer to a clandestine relationship, like an affair or something like that.

970
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.420
Yeah.

971
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.360
I was supposed to say, oh, having a clandestine relationship, aren't they?

972
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.800
Well, and well, certainly all of her female ancestors.

973
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.920
Oh, what if Ronan killed Mum?

974
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:26.699
What if Ronan killed Beverly's mum?

975
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.880
Oh no, because she wasn't biologically compatible.

976
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:34.139
And so he had to keep boning the centenarian?

977
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:36.900
The old woman?

978
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:37.739
It is very possible.

979
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.780
The old woman has been unveiled now.

980
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:40.559
Here's Nana.

981
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah, she...

982
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:44.820
She's doing some great corpse acting, I have to say.

983
00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:48.239
It's very impressive. the most demanding thing.

984
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:48.960
Oh, here we go.

985
00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:49.860
Her eyes open.

986
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:50.760
Green eyes.

987
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.679
It's so I'm sorry, the action is just so lame.

988
00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.980
She literally just touches them and they're like, oh, they fall down.

989
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.059
Maybe that's Ronan.

990
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:00.780
Yeah, yeah.

991
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.400
But yeah, they just fall over a bit.

992
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:03.059
It's fine.

993
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.619
Can I say the line?

994
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:05.699
Beverly.

995
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.960
Have trust in me.

996
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:11.400
Gates is screaming right off.

997
00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:13.440
Ah, Nan is dead.

998
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.840
This is so...

999
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.980
Beverly, forgive me.

1000
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:26.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah It's so great.

1001
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.440
It's so good.

1002
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.159
Like, what comes of this?

1003
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:42.780
If there was some attempt to make this bee about anything, it seems to be a valuable moral lesson about the perils of anaphasic energy.

1004
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.960
But like, like, it's not about anything.

1005
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:47.760
Who cares about that though?

1006
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.380
rules of anaphasic energy.

1007
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.539
That's what they should have been called.

1008
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.500
I could see that slapped on a romantic novel cover.

1009
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:06.360
It's extremely unstable, Joe. So it's more sex law.

1010
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:10.739
Don't worry about it You've been using me.

1011
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.760
Nana.

1012
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:14.340
My entire family for centuries.

1013
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.579
But is that a bad thing?

1014
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:23.340
It must have been a bad thing because he's a really rapey, controlling creep, right?

1015
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.260
But we don't go there.

1016
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.599
No, they still don't condemn him in that last scene.

1017
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:34.440
She says my nana was really happy and I'm a bit jealous is what she says in my life. what is that?

1018
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.900
Like, it's like, ugh, yeah.

1019
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.559
Like, I would love to...

1020
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.000
Like, how do these guys talk?

1021
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:49.199
What we learn in this episode is that Beverly Crusher just has a very strange, like fantasy life, you know, like...

1022
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.659
Who else does she have sex with?

1023
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.920
She has sex with her trill?

1024
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:54.000
Yeah.

1025
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.699
Well, I think she, doesn't she get off with Picard in the naked now?

1026
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah.

1027
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.780
Well, everyone gets off with everyone.

1028
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:02.639
That's a thing.

1029
00:53:02.699 --> 00:53:05.219
Yeah, no, she just...

1030
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.440
She doesn't get much, if I'm honest.

1031
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:08.340
No, okay.

1032
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.539
Well, that appear.

1033
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:12.840
She's desperate for any passing ghost to come and give her a look.

1034
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.719
Oh my god.

1035
00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:16.079
Okay.

1036
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:20.460
You always say to you that gays McFadden looks off screen and completely vacant.

1037
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.079
Look at her right now.

1038
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:24.780
She's doing it right now, that kind of like blank look.

1039
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.900
Yeah, because she's back to her normal selves.

1040
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.260
So she's doing her normal Beverly Crusher acting.

1041
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.920
Yeah.

1042
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:32.519
Yeah.

1043
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:34.800
So it turns out it's a deliberate choice.

1044
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.159
Oh, thank Christ, he's dead.

1045
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:42.119
I love you.

1046
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.840
Oh, shut up.

1047
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.619
I said earlier, imagine switch. imagine switching it on during this climax.

1048
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:53.039
I'm being like, well, this show's gone downhill.

1049
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:53.699
I won't watch this.

1050
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.760
Well, and you'd be right.

1051
00:53:56.820 --> 00:54:00.420
Oh, she's there like hugging herself and crying.

1052
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.400
Yeah, on the plastic grass.

1053
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.579
Oh, I love this.

1054
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:06.599
Look, the cars wrap up.

1055
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.960
Dr Crusher's recovery will be of a personal nature.

1056
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.019
But we have defeated the anaphasic energy.

1057
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:13.920
So it's all okay.

1058
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:15.119
Who reads these logs?

1059
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.559
Who reads these logs?

1060
00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:18.420
Do you think Admiral Lachev is reading that?

1061
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:19.739
Click what's going on?

1062
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.480
Yeah, someone's got a ticket off, aren't they?

1063
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:22.019
Yeah.

1064
00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:23.460
Job for somebody at Starflate.

1065
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.579
No, they probably see it coming through and go, what's this?

1066
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.260
What's been happening on the Enterprise now?

1067
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.440
We need to get that shit back into Space Doc fast.

1068
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:34.800
Oh, I think Beverly's got a Singapore sling there.

1069
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:37.380
That's classy.

1070
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.940
It's very nice.

1071
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.260
They saw it in Singapore.

1072
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:41.099
I don't know.

1073
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:41.820
Oh it's a drink.

1074
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.179
Sorry.

1075
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:43.920
Yeah. bra.

1076
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:44.400
Sorry.

1077
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:45.960
No, I don't know about those.

1078
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.159
Yeah, there's a part of me that's a little sad.

1079
00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:54.960
Sure, he made me quit my job and tried to kill my friends.

1080
00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:57.539
And touch me, that's all. inappropriately.

1081
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. whatever else he might have done.

1082
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.099
Like, what?

1083
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:02.940
made her very happy.

1084
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.780
But that, but that's being written by...

1085
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:08.159
That is being reared by a team.

1086
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:11.400
So he's basically...

1087
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:13.980
So we've learned nothing today.

1088
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.639
Today we've learned about anaphasic energy.

1089
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.239
Today we've learned that Star Trek should not do Gothic fantasies.

1090
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:26.940
Well, no, I don't think we've learned that, and that's absolutely what I don't think we've learned.

1091
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:33.360
But I think we've learned that this Star Trek shouldn't do Gothic fantasies because...

1092
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:34.079
It's terrible.

1093
00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:48.179
No, I don't think so, but I just think the failure to make this about anything other than the kind of superficial tropes and just the problematic nature of the whole thing because no one's really thinking about what's happening and, you know, Braga.

1094
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.099
Do you remember the episode of DS9?

1095
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.039
I don't think it's a terrible episode, but it's so problematic.

1096
00:55:53.099 --> 00:56:00.780
It's in series 7 and it's the one where Serena of the the jackpack gets her voice back.

1097
00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:02.519
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1098
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:07.619
She's patient and he seduces her as her doctor.

1099
00:56:07.619 --> 00:56:11.039
And no one says to him, this is really wrong what you're doing.

1100
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:13.500
It's kind of essentially what's happening here as well.

1101
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:19.139
I don't think there's anyone in sort of 90s trek there to be able to say, do you know what?

1102
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.039
This is really problematic.

1103
00:56:20.099 --> 00:56:21.360
We're putting on the screen.

1104
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:22.440
You know?

1105
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.179
Do you know what's even more shocking?

1106
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.699
Do you know what the next episode is after this?

1107
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.199
Yeah, I do.

1108
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:29.519
It's lower decks.

1109
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.400
I really, really properly good episode.

1110
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:35.639
I mean, how can you go from the ridiculous to the sublime?

1111
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:37.440
No, it's incredible.

1112
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:37.980
Yeah.

1113
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:38.519
Yeah.

1114
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:39.659
Unbelievable.

1115
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.699
Well, I mean, it's a good show.

1116
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.219
The, you know, the bones of it are good.

1117
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.300
They can make great TV, but they just don't always succeed.

1118
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.840
I'd say about half the time they don't always succeed.

1119
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:54.300
Like that's unnecessarily cruel.

1120
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:07.980
All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode, and so I'm on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1121
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:19.559
And I'm the one who has control this week after your abject failure last week, Joe. I would not call it a failure after the amount we've just laughed.

1122
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:20.159
Okay?

1123
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.719
Yeah, that's fair enough.

1124
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:33.360
So I am going to do something unusual and you may wish to overrule me, but I want to give Star Trek the next generation the chance to redeem itself.

1125
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:36.059
You're just going to do next year, again.

1126
00:57:36.059 --> 00:57:36.840
I am.

1127
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:47.159
But I'm going to do it until we get a good episode because we did yesterday's Enterprise is our 1st episode and all of the rest of them have been...

1128
00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:48.119
All good things.

1129
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.400
Well, you didn't lie out very much, but most people consider it a classic.

1130
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.219
Okay, okay, fine.

1132
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:56.639
That's right.

1133
00:57:56.699 --> 00:58:00.480
Although you do realise, don't you, that this is 90s track, 90s track, 90s track.

1134
00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:03.179
We are going to have to either head to Kurtzman or original after this.

1135
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.460
Yeah, we'll have to do something different.

1136
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.239
But, you know, I just can't leave the podcast in a state where Star Trek.

1137
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:11.760
The next generation is shat the bed so comprehensively.

1138
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:17.460
Can't you change the random ices and then you can just select certain seasons because if you just...

1139
00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:20.159
Well, not now, not by recording this.

1140
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.820
All right.

1141
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.780
Okay, here goes.

1142
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:32.039
So this is series 6 and it's part 2 of a two-parter.

1143
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:49.380
It's chain of command, which is obviously a pretty big deal, but we've done a few TNG 2 parters, and I actually start to check out in season six, which might be an interesting thing to talk about, but let's not do it next week.

1144
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.280
Okay.

1145
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:51.780
Press it again.

1146
00:58:53.519 --> 00:59:02.460
Another series, 6, episode 19, lessons with Australia's Wendy Hughes as Picard's love interest.

1147
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.360
Yeah, but it's another, it's a shitty romance.

1148
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.000
It's certainly better than this, let's be honest.

1149
00:59:09.059 --> 00:59:09.960
Oh yeah, for sure.

1150
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:12.179
And I think there's some really nice scenes in it.

1151
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.639
And Wendy Hughes is some pretty good over.

1152
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:18.539
I actually believe the relationship and that's half the battle with...

1153
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.880
And we never see her or mention her again.

1154
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:24.239
Not this one.

1155
00:59:26.579 --> 00:59:31.679
Well, you know how this was the planet of terrible Scottish stereotypes.

1156
00:59:31.739 --> 00:59:33.179
Oh, don't tell me it's up in the long ladder.

1157
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.199
It's up the line.

1158
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.179
Oh no, we can't go from that to that.

1159
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:37.679
We can't go through that.

1160
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.380
The worst thing you could possibly press off for that one is code of honour.

1161
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.039
Yeah, yeah.

1162
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.800
Maybe Star Trek the Next Generation is a bit shit.

1163
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:44.460
Just a sec.

1164
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.820
This is series 5, episode 15.

1165
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.300
It is very much business as usual.

1166
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.760
It's not a great classic, but it's good and reasonably solid.

1167
00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:01.980
It's power play.

1168
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.019
I love power play.

1169
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.579
Oh, my God.

1170
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.619
This is one of my, and I'll tell you what, right?

1171
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:14.519
This will give me a chance to have at you about how well directed. 90s trek can be.

1172
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:17.880
I think this one is actually pretty dynamically directed.

1173
01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:19.679
David Liverson, and he's really nice.

1174
01:00:19.739 --> 01:00:20.579
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1175
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.940
And it's Marina 30s being an evil bitch, which is always amazing.

1176
01:00:24.059 --> 01:00:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:25.860
Yeah, awesome.

1178
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:26.880
Let's do that.

1179
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:40.500
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1180
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:47.159
You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1181
01:00:47.219 --> 01:00:52.860
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1182
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:59.340
This episode was recorded on the 7th of April 2022 and released on the 15th of April.

1183
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:04.139
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the next generation, PowerPlay.