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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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What on earth are we watching today?

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Today, Nathan, we are watching a season 5 episode of Deep Space 9 called Blaze of Glory.

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And it's a standalone episode that I don't need any background to understand.

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Is that right?

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Absolutely.

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This is, this is, you know, you know, peak 90s trek syndicated can be viewed out of order and it doesn't make any impact whatsoever on your viewing experience.

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So this actually is the final episode of a very important secondary character on Deep Space 9.

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Um, and that's Michael Eddington, who has been in the show since the beginning of series 3.

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Three, yeah.

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He was introducing the search as like Starfleet security coming in.

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And I think the idea was to create a bit of tension with Odo.

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But actually I didn't really go anywhere.

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Like, I don't think there was ever the intention initially to have Eddington be the head of the marquee, you know.

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No.

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But what happened was he was introduced.

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He kept turning up in like random episodes, as you know, the security guy.

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And then they had the episode at the end of the season, the adversary, where, you know, the changeling infiltrator was on the ship, and everybody was like, he's really shifted.

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What's going on with Eddington?

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And suddenly everybody was asking questions about this character, like, what's his deal?

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And then I think, like, you said before, they kind of make it up as they go along, but they kind of listen to fan opinion as well and they're going, okay, let's do something with this character.

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And then in series four, so they wait nearly 2 seasons to drop that he is, you know, this terrorist leader.

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And then they run with it.

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They run with it in full the cause where they hit with like the double whammy twist of Eddington is the Marquis leader and Casty Yates is supplying goods to the Marquis, all in one episode.

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It's fantastic.

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He has a wonderful seat at the end with Cisco, where he condemns the Federation and calls them worse than the Borg.

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It's such a great scene.

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And Cisco's nostrils are flaring like you wouldn't believe.

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Did you watch for the uniform?

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I didn't, I didn't get the chance to watch it, but as always, I did read Michael's memory alpha entry.

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I get the impression that when they introduce him what they're trying to do.

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Like, there's already a character there to provide conflict with Odo, and that's Quark.

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And it's because Quark breaks rules.

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He's on the sort of wrong side.

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And so you've got Eddington coming at Odo from the other end because he's a real stickler for the rules.

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And that's clearly how they were trying to kind of position him.

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But I think he ends up being a better foil for Cisco.

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And I think that they respond well to their scenes together, which is why this episode is essentially just a 2 hander.

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Don't you think?

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So what you have, ultimately, is this trilogy of marquee episodes that finishes off the marquee storyline, essentially, for the cause, which exposes Eddington, for the uniform, which is where Cisco hunts him down and then Blaze of Glory, which then polishes Michael Eddington off.

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I think for the uniform is by far the strongest of the three.

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I think it's an absolute classic and it's potentially Avery Brooks's best performance at Cisco because he gets to be like blazingly terrifyingly angry.

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And he turns himself into like the villain of the piece because he knows that Eddington wants to play the hero.

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So he starts going around bombing planets and things.

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So Eddington comes out and he's like, I'm going to bomb that marquee planet unless you, and so Eddington can ride out as the hero and be like, oh, sacrifice myself, you know, it's amazingly good.

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And then and then there's this episode which kind of rounds it off, allows them to kind of discuss the whole marquee storyline and then does something pretty shocking at the end.

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We'll get back.

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Maybe.

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I certainly think a load of corpses lying around a corridor.

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That is actually quite shocking.

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But what's interesting is, obviously, this storyline was not set up to be a central part of DS9.

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The whole part of the marquee storyline was set up for Voyager initially.

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So it was the 3 shows, they said we're going to have a linked storyline in NextGen's last season in DS9's 2nd season and in Voyager's 1st season.

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We're going to have this, you know, they're all doing marquee storylines.

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And what happened was Voyager had this brilliant premise of the the 2 crews, the marquee crew, and the Starfleet crew, and there's ripe for tension.

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And I think they do about 2 episodes where they, you know, pug front a few punches and things like that.

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And Cesca's being a bit, well, Cesca's great.

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Let's be actually awesome.

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And then they just sort of ignore it, don't they?

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It's just like, oh, well, we're all one big happy family now.

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Well, in a sense, it was actually always kind of not going to work, I think, on Voyager, because they're no longer in that context.

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And so in a sense, it doesn't matter.

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There's no real kind of thing to being a member of the Maquee anymore because they're 70,000 light years away from the Maquee.

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Yes, but it's kind of...

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It is kind of like those characters' identity and they do still call themselves like they call themselves Starfleet officers, but I don't think Alana Torres and Chakotay and all of that ever, kind of disassociate themselves like that.

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And imagine if they'd have had Voyager and a marquee ship going alongside each other.

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I imagine that storyline and that would have been so interesting.

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Well, I mean, just the fact that they put them in Starfleet uniforms by the end of, you know, was an episode one or like very quickly they're in the pyjamas and clearly that's an aesthetic, an aesthetic decision rather than an actual kind of plot thing.

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And so I think they are throwing it away sort of straight away.

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So, Star Trek, the Next Generation does this for both of the spinoffs, right?

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So series 5 sets up the Cardassians as a threat, like in, is the wounded series five?

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No, series four.

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Not even me three, I think.

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No, it's four.

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That's four, I think.

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And that's kind of the 1st Cardassian thing.

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But then they get beefed up in series 5 with things like, oh, and in series 6, I guess, in chain of commands.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the Bajorans get introduced with Rowe in...

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Five, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then series 7 has those 2 pivotal stories, journeys end, and preemptive strike, which is the 2nd last episode just before all good things.

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Which you, so to me in a message earlier, is pretty kind of lazily directed by Patrick Stewart.

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And I think it is.

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I don't think he's a great director, but it is a nicely written story.

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We've had sting in the tail and which works because Patrick Stewart gets to be properly angry at the end, you know, that Rose betrayed him.

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I guess what's interesting about them a key, and it is a thing where even Star Trek, the Next Generation, which is fairly straightforwardly cheerleading for the Federation as an institution, the Makia introduced, and in the story where they're introduced, we get what, the DMZ between Cardassia and the Federation setup.

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And the Federation...

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She's like Jean-Luc. you will bring down these terrorists And the Federation's very clearly on the wrong side, and it's interesting that it's that it's a sort of colonialist thing, that Picard is given the task of dispossessing some Native Americans from their planet so that the Cardassians can have it because they've traded that planet away as part of the negotiations.

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And Picard is even invited to remember like an ancestor of his who was involved in dispossession.

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And if... all of that kind of nature.

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Yeah, you'd be awkward.

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Whenever they go into...

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Chakotay.

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Hello?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think it's super interesting that the federation, which is America, is kind of a settler society, like America, like Australia, you know, like a place where the land was forcibly taken from indigenous people so that it could be colonised.

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And so positioning the Federation as that, and therefore putting them in the wrong morally.

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What you have with a McKee is an organisation that good people, that people of good conscience, that people we like are supporting.

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And so we start with Ensign Rowe.

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We have a regular on Deep Space 9 who is in a similar position where she was fighting against the Cardassians to retain her homeland.

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We have Thomas Riker, which again is like, this is a decision that Riker could have easily made.

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Cal Hudson in the Marquise Cisco's busy, mate.

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You know, because what it is.

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We're in that position then where they're moving. you know, there were Federation colonies behind that DMC that have now been given up.

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So it's Federation versus Federation.

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And that's not been done before really.

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That's a really interesting position No, and to have something standing outside the Federation, I think they throw it away a little bit here a little bit, but I'll get to why I think that's happening.

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But it is something that people, we respect can support, and it is something where the federation's in the wrong.

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And this is something that we've talked about.

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The difference between Berman Trek, once it kind of really hits its stride, and Kurtzman Trek, where Kurtzman Trek wants to present the Federation as an ideal to aspire to in a fairly uncomplicated way.

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And, you know, you can see why because of, you know, the rise of the alt rights and Trump and all of that sort of thing.

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Whereas 90s trek wants to critique America, like wants to use the federation to critique liberalism, I think.

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I don't think so much is 90s trek.

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Because I don't think Voyager or TNG really does a great deal at that.

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I think it's DS9.

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DS9 DS9 is the show that actively criticises the Federation a lot.

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And I love it.

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Yeah.

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It criticises it from the left as well.

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So the Federation is sort of liberalism, isn't it?

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In a way. and it does sort of stand up against tyranny and it's about equality and utopian socialism and stuff.

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But this is a critique that comes from the left.

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And I think that's super interesting.

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I think Kurtzmantrek is doing the right thing with the Federation now, given the current political context.

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But I think kind of poking that utopia and looking under the rock and seeing what's under there.

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It was so interesting at the time, you know.

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And so much worth doing.

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So much more involving than TNG and presenting it all as, you know, we're wonderful and we have our ideals and we don't have money and, you know, oh, so boring, again.

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DS9 takes all those cadets, puts them on a ship and then blows the shit out of them, you know.

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Is your ideals?

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Yeah.

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The Dominion knocked them out.

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I do want to say though, and I know I praise DS9 a lot.

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But I think this is, you know, another example of where it's getting it right.

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It took hold of this idea and it kind of shakes it until interesting things fall out, you know, whereas all the other shows didn't.

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No.

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And I think the serialised thing, which actually makes this show a little bit difficult to dip into.

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But given that it's a spinoff of a, you know, science fiction property that basically nerds are watching and people are invested in.

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We watch this the way that people watch a soap opera, I think.

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And so it allows itself to do this, and I think that that makes everything a little bit more layered and a little bit more interesting.

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It's not just space problem of the week.

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And this is one of a handful of episodes, I think, too, where there's a central relationship between a regular and a guest star.

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And I'm thinking things like duet and progress and maybe voyages counterpoint.

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Oh, that's fantastic.

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It's really good, isn't it?

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And this, I think, really works because we've been playing the long game with the Eddington character, we're invested in him and the actor and Avery Brooks are really good together, I think.

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Yeah, no, I agree.

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And I think the really interesting thing about Eddington.

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And obviously, we'll go into this in the 2nd when we jump into the episode is Ira Bear says in an interview, you know, this is the guy in overall creative control.

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He's not sure where he stands with Eddington.

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Like, and you know, when he talks to fans, some people love him.

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Some people hate him.

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Like, there's a real ambiguity about this character.

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No one can quite pin him down as to whether he worked, whether he didn't, whether he was good, whether he was bad.

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I think that means he kind of worked because I think that's what they're going for.

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Shades are gray.

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You know, and everyone, everyone is coming out in his character very, very different.

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And I've got a very, like, my unique take on him. which I'll go into as we watch it.

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But I rather like that, you know, that you can't, I don't like Dukat, where you can just go, well, he's evil, you know, or Garrett.

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Oh, he's good, really, you know, he's got a bit of a dodgy side to him.

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With Eddington.

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I don't really know whether he's a good guy or a bad guy really.

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I think he sees himself as a good guy, but he behaves like a bad guy.

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It's super interesting.

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Yeah.

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All right. you think we should go in?

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We better hats.

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Yes, we better have.

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All right.

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I'm going to count us in.

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Here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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I am going to say this again, Nathan, you know, that every time we talk about DS9 year.

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We always got lots to say.

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Is it a show with some substance, you know?

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Uh, so here we start with the absolutely adorable but completely disposable B plot.

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I don't care if it's disposable.

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You know what?

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I remember reading a review at the time, right?

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where people were going, enough of Nog already because it was about 8 B plots.

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Do you know that he went off to Starfleet?

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Starfleeter Academy in series four.

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So when they got him back.

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They just wanted to do loads of him.

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So they did the Jake and Nog movie episode, Nog goes off to Npok Nog episode, in the cards, like there's loads of Noggle.

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Oh my god, he's so adorable.

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Yeah, yeah, he's really great.

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And I think this is really fun.

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And it is a very, very standard sitcom plot, I think.

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Oh, yeah.

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There's nothing deep going on here, is there?

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They try and very tenuously link it in with the main plot.

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Yeah, with a last line.

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Well, I think they're trying.

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I think they're trying.

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I don't know if it's success.

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But do you know why this is here?

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It's not about knock.

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This B plot was specifically added to remind people that Martok was part of this show.

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Because when he was brought back in in purgatory shadow and buying photos lie, that's the last time we saw him.

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And then they say he was established on the station.

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And then we've had about 5 or 6 episodes.

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And we haven't seen him.

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No, and they were like, right, we need to remind people of this character's here.

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So that's why this is here.

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Right.

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And this is the real Martok.

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Yes.

212
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Yeah.

213
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So the Martok that we meet in series 4 is a changeling, and this is the real one because he has one eye missing.

214
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Yeah, we've mentioned we've mentioned 2 big, well, three.

215
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Casta Yates, Michael Weddington, and Martog.

216
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This was absolutely a show that lent into the fact that it was serialised and they could do these good twists for these characters.

217
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

218
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That's the sort of TV we're getting now.

219
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That's the sort of thing that happened in Discovery series one in every single episode.

220
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

221
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But I mean, this is, this is such like, he's virtually the wacky neighbour or something.

222
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You know, he's an Urkel. where he goes.

223
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He goes, no, you've got to stand up to him.

224
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And then the 2nd he comes in, he goes, right, that does it.

225
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And then sister goes, no, sit down.

226
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And shoves it back down in the chair again.

227
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Well, this is a really great TV moment because we only have this set, so the other 2 characters have to leave, whereas in real life, they would go into another room and have this conversation.

228
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It's like no one says, we're in the middle of dinner.

229
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Can you go into another room and talk about this?

230
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It's that exposition dialogue we were talking about before.

231
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Now the Kardashians have their new Dominion allies.

232
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They've wiped out the market.

233
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Thank you very much for that.

234
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We have been paying attention, Paul.

235
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Thank you.

236
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You may as well just look straight out the camera.

237
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Yeah, I noticed that as well.

238
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Michael, we sent the missiles.

239
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Yeah, why didn't they pronounce it missiles?

240
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It's very, very upsetting.

241
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Do you know what's I found super interesting about the whole like fake missile thing is that Cisco is desperate to prevent a war, which obviously we now know hits in just a few episodes time.

242
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Yeah, but this was a point where they're just still, they're still trying to push it back, you know.

243
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And I think the show is basically hinting that this is inevitable at this point, that this conflict is going to boil over.

244
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I think that's really kind of interesting, but I do like this.

245
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And so I have watched of, I have watched all of Deep Space 9, but some of it was a very long time ago.

246
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And so I do sometimes have the experience of wondering, I didn't, I didn't pick the twist when I was watching it this time.

247
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I didn't remember that the missiles spoiler alert are a faint.

248
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They're not real.

249
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And it does change the character of the episode.

250
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And if you think about it, right?

251
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What if the missiles were real, then what happens in the episode?

252
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They go to the planet and they disarm the missiles and then we all go home.

253
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If this was a voyage...

254
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If this was void, that would be the point.

255
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Yeah, no, that is the small dread noise.

256
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She literally goes into the missile and deactivate it.

257
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Exactly.

258
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Yep.

259
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So boring.

260
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It's as deep as that.

261
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Yeah.

262
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Oh, do you know, I have to say, I love the character of Martoc.

263
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And I'm not the biggest fan of the Klingons. at all with discovery.

264
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I find them a bit, you know, some of the episodes are very good, like redemption and things like that, but some, like rightful air, Sons of Mogue.

265
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I just find the culture a bit macho and a bit dull.

266
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Whereas Martoc, right?

267
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JG Herzler, choose the scenery with such gusto.

268
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Yeah, he's really good.

269
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Do you remember the whole sequence in strange bedfellows where he's like, I had this fabulous tag once, you know, and my wife didn't want him.

270
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So she left the door open and I, you know, and he's basically talking to Cisco about the fact that he's got married and he goes, what is it?

271
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You may win the battle, but you'll never win the war.

272
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He's amazing.

273
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He's such a great character.

274
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There is a really, really annoying Klingon scene, which I will comment on when it arrives in this, yeah.

275
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Jesus Christ.

276
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Is it when they're in the bar?

277
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and they're just they're rowdy.

278
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Yes.

279
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So terrible. you get here, not going, does it?

280
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That's funny.

281
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No, that is that's a properly funny scene.

282
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And it is structured like a sitcom B plot, which I'm here for because the rest of it is a bit bleak.

283
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See, to me before, about how they led into the comedy of syrup, noftum being a giant, and Aaron Eisenberg being tiny.

284
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But with J.J.

285
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Herzer, it's even funnier. when those 2 are standing next to each other.

286
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

287
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Yeah, where they put the cameras easily.

288
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Especially where they're telling.

289
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Yeah, where, you know, he's trying to be authoritative.

290
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He's tiny.

291
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Oh, Aaron eyes, man.

292
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I tell you what, that character, what a journey he went on across this show.

293
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And I'll say it again.

294
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I think Nog had some of the best development of any character in Star Trek from beginning to end.

295
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And he's just really very good.

296
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Like he's fun to watch and giving him a fluffy plot like that is absolutely not a waste of our time.

297
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Like we were talking about things that were being introduced in TNG that then were picked up and improved and given some depth by DS9, The Ferengi, you know?

298
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Yeah, yeah.

299
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You wouldn't you wouldn't watch the last outpost and imagine you'd have a character like not going on that journey, would you?

300
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No, absolutely.

301
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Here we go.

302
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It's the obligatory O'Brien and Dax scene.

303
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They got to be in one scene to fulfil their contract.

304
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She'll be in the final scene, though.

305
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Oh, God.

306
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God, this light is so terrible.

307
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It's like a libistian mastodon.

308
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You can hear it in the forest, but you can't see it.

309
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It's so so bad.

310
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It's such just standard Star Trek dialogue.

311
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It is.

312
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But she is, but she is beautiful though.

313
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I don't care She is.

314
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She's fantastic Oh, look at, that's, I like the way that's back lit, you know, that prison.

315
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Yeah, yeah.

316
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.839
That's a model that they've used any number of times before.

317
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I think in Star Trek, the next generation.

318
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Do you know the set is the Voyager Brick?

319
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you know that?

320
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Just lit and shot from a different angle.

321
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I have a problem with this.

322
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:03.660
So, in, this is, he just sits here.

323
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That's like his in solitary confinement.

324
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He's in prison.

325
00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.500
Why why is he in solitary confinement?

326
00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:14.220
Well, because he's a dangerous terrorist criminal.

327
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.119
Well, just like he's a political prisoner.

328
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I just think it's a problem.

329
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What should they be doing with him?

330
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:29.880
Well, he could go to New Zealand and, you know, I don't know, hang out with the Hobbits or something, you know, like Tom Paris.

331
00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:33.059
Maybe Cisco's trying to punish him, you know, drive...

332
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:45.420
But I think that this is something written by Americans and just Americans imagine putting people in prison and this is supposed to be a futuristic socialist utopia.

333
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:51.299
And I don't know why you put a political prisoner in solitary confinement like that.

334
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I just think it's a problem.

335
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:54.599
It just annoys me.

336
00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:56.339
He says later, doesn't he?

337
00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:06.539
He says later that if, because obviously he knows that this message means they've got to the safe house. that if, you know, if you hadn't forced me to come, I would have volunteered.

338
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.599
I mean, we wouldn't have believed the plot at all if he'd done that.

339
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:12.000
So it had to go this way, didn't it?

340
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:13.140
Yeah, yeah.

341
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:13.680
Yeah.

342
00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:15.539
And I did believe the plot, to be honest.

343
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:17.400
Yeah.

344
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:30.119
So at the end of series 4 of Discovery, there's a character who has committed crimes and we hear what that character's fate is, and I was happy with that, I'm not going to spoil it for you.

345
00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:31.799
I don't really care that much.

346
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:40.740
But it's a much more sort of sensible kind of punishment and we're kind of happy with it.

347
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.440
But this sort of punitive American approach to...

348
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.380
It's just leaning into a cliche, isn't it?

349
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

350
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:54.779
He's like this sort of bitter, you know, I don't think they should go to New Zealand. beautiful landscape and no, suffer on your own.

351
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:55.980
We're not even going to give you any books.

352
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.579
Yeah, no, you see, I just think it's that's a bit crazy.

353
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.960
But they do, he says, doesn't he?

354
00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:07.619
I lied here and I'm getting the reports of all the people that were dying and that's like, that's terrible, isn't he?

355
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:08.279
Yeah.

356
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:11.640
Yes, I do love that.

357
00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.720
Sorry, go on.

358
00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:21.539
I was going to say, I do love the fact that this is like the 1st time, I think, the Dominion came through the wormhole in purgatory shadow, which was a few episodes back.

359
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:34.140
And suddenly, you know, we're learning that the marquee, that we're genuinely, you know, making an impact on the Cardassians and had them on the run, they're completely wiped out.

360
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:39.119
So this makes the dominion. you know, a palpable threat in the Alpha Quadrant.

361
00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:43.920
And I really like that, you know, before we have the war with the Dominion.

362
00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:46.920
They're already making big ships in the Apple Quadrant.

363
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.480
Yeah, yeah.

364
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:54.059
And like in a way, the Makia, kind of a bit disposable, like we can do without them.

365
00:25:54.059 --> 00:26:00.779
And so when we want to emphasise the Dominion as a threat, we have them help, the Cardassians wipe them out.

366
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.240
But then they make something of it.

367
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:05.400
You've got Eddington sort of hanging around.

368
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:06.900
He still survived.

369
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.380
Uh, you know, the the last episode he was in.

370
00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:11.579
What are we going to do with him?

371
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.960
And maybe the episode title is a giveaway.

372
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.279
Blades of Glory.

373
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.400
I wonder if he survives.

374
00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:23.880
I don't know what you mean about these literal episode titles.

375
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.400
Wrong star for them, death or no.

376
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.940
I wonder if Kira's mum really was fucking Dukat.

377
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:40.140
So so he doesn't do the sort of Valjean Javert thing that he did in his last appearance.

378
00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:41.400
I love that so much.

379
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.180
Do you remember?

380
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:44.339
And he's like, I'll give you what you want.

381
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.700
It's supposed to be metadramatic.

382
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:51.779
Have you read that book?

383
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.099
Yeah, yeah.

384
00:26:53.160 --> 00:27:00.539
You know, like the show, you know, these shows are in some senses melodrama as well.

385
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:16.680
And so these sort of macho posturing that Eddington does, is being directed at a version of Cisco that Cisco kind of, you know, faked in the last episode that they were in together.

386
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:24.660
And I don't think I'd realise that quite because I just thought, why is he talking about Cisco like this?

387
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.279
Cisco's nothing at all like this?

388
00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:29.700
You know, but it is a sort of fake version in his head.

389
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.000
He genuinely did bomb one of those planets.

390
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:40.380
He gave it enough time to get away, but he did vomit. you know, but he wasn't just painting himself as the villain.

391
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.420
He actually was portraying that villain.

392
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.359
So this scene, now we're in another scene in the infirmary. contractual obligation, number two.

393
00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:54.839
Except that I think this scene is important as part of the lead up to the war.

394
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.799
For sure.

395
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:56.160
Yeah.

396
00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:56.519
Yeah.

397
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.819
No, I would have loved to have seen more running through the promenade naked.

398
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.079
Naked, yeah.

399
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:03.900
Screaming, we're all...

400
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.920
No, maybe not.

401
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:05.339
Maybe not.

402
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.000
Yeah.

403
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.500
I don't know, though.

404
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.740
I reckon he's probably, I reckon Mullen's fairly well endowed, you know?

405
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.799
I think he's got a lot of BDE.

406
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:15.000
Yeah.

407
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.319
But yeah, basically, yeah, they're talking, she says, doesn't she?

408
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:25.500
Oh, it's probably to tell us that the 1st wave of Gemadara coming.

409
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.299
Actually, that's in 2 episodes time.

410
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.640
In a way joking about it, you know?

411
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:30.180
Yeah, yeah.

412
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:31.140
But it's a joke.

413
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.240
I think I mean, this is so funny.

414
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:41.160
And Quark, when he's aggrieved, is hilarious and so they lean into that, don't they?

415
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

416
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.480
He's always being hit, you know?

417
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.519
Like, he's like...

418
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.799
Where they go, mourn, of all people.

419
00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:53.880
Who would have thought he would have snapped and then calls line is, why are you looking at me?

420
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:59.700
Then I might have idly suggested that we'll all be dead.

421
00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:04.619
Oh, a shimmer could sound.

422
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.259
Oh, man, it's like the Robert Ricardo of this show.

423
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.160
We can see how I line.

424
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:11.700
No, but that hilarious line.

425
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:18.059
So from Odo, so that's when he ran onto the promenade saying we're all doomed.

426
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:23.940
And he's delivering it again, like the great sitcom veteran that he is.

427
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:30.599
It's so good And this is, I mean, this is how you do a contractual obligation scene. isn't it?

428
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:31.559
Yeah, yeah.

429
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.720
But also it builds up the war.

430
00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:37.200
So the war doesn't just come out of nowhere in a few episodes time.

431
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:45.660
One of the things I adore about season 5 is that they are always building up to that climax, like in every single episode.

432
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:50.220
It's like it's like all the little bits of the puzzle come together in call to arms.

433
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:57.420
Now, I was initially a bit shitted by that reveal as we go out to the ad break.

434
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:04.859
So you've got Cisco contacting Kira saying what he's doing and then it turns around and then we've got Eddington in the background.

435
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:14.579
And I thought that they were punting on actually writing and performing the scene where some kind of important persuasion happens.

436
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:20.220
I just thought, oh, okay, so we're not going to see how he gets sort of press ganged in there.

437
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:28.140
But given that this is a 2 hander that spends a lot of time with these 2 characters just talking.

438
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.099
I think that, you know, they just wanted to cut to the chase.

439
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.220
Now, this business here with the food is so shit.

440
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.980
So, so he gets the food.

441
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:46.500
Uh, um, Michael can't eat it properly because he's handcuffed and he complains that it's not real food.

442
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.240
It's replicated.

443
00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:54.599
And, like, each of them have a bite and then they put the food away and go.

444
00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:56.400
Oh, you mean the actual business of eating the food?

445
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:01.079
But I do like the fact that he's talking about the fact that he invited him to dinner.

446
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:06.119
He's digging him all the time about how he ingratiated himself with him at the station.

447
00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.059
And you had no idea I was playing you the whole time.

448
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.859
So here's my theory about Eddington, okay?

449
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:15.240
This is what I think about him.

450
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:24.000
I think he is a truly pathetic little man who just wants to be this mythic heroic figure, you know?

451
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:25.980
I think he's uncharismatic.

452
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.339
And I think Kenneth Marshall basically plays him that way.

453
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.839
I don't think it's a terrible performance.

454
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.039
I think he knows how to play it.

455
00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:43.380
And, you know, and he wants, he ingratiates himself onto the station, into a position where suddenly he's revealed to be this huge figure in the quadrant.

456
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:52.019
Yeah, even though he's been on the station, like mending APS conduits and clearing people off the promenade for...

457
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:58.680
Suddenly, he's like the arch rival of one of the most important people. you know, he's he's got him, he's important.

458
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:06.180
He's being noticed and it all goes horribly wrong and the entire Marquis are massacred because he's so bloody.

459
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.640
He's talking about growing tomatoes.

460
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:16.799
Like, he must have grown them in like just the couple of months between, you know, for the uniform in this episode or whatever.

461
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.380
Like, it doesn't work.

462
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:34.440
It is what Deep Space 9 does, which is that every kind of big geopolitical entity is represented by one or at most 2 people in the semi-regular cars.

463
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.680
Oh, no, no. interesting.

464
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:39.240
Exactly right.

465
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:41.940
And so it's kind of like, oh, the McKee we just talked about.

466
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:48.180
You know, because we just get told they get massacred off screen and it, you know, doesn't have an impact.

467
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:53.039
Well, it doesn't have an impact unless there's someone in the cast to feel it.

468
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.619
Blake 7, you know, we don't want to see it.

469
00:32:57.539 --> 00:33:02.640
But, um, uh, so we promote Michael Edington. what are we going to do with him?

470
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:04.259
Oh, he'll be our McKee guy.

471
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.079
And like that's a reasonable thing for them to do.

472
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:17.940
But I think what's happening here is that Eddington is doing to Cisco what Cisco did to Eddington in their last episode together.

473
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.319
And so he's playing the nihilist.

474
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:25.680
He's playing, you know, he doesn't really care.

475
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:30.420
He's, you know, he's going to kill Cisco, all of that sort of stuff.

476
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:41.579
And then the big twist is that he's saving people that this whole mission is about, saving, you know, his wife and some other people.

477
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.799
And so I like that.

478
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:48.119
Which allows him to be properly human and likeable as well.

479
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:48.900
Yeah.

480
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.019
But I still think he's a bit crap, you know?

481
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.359
And I think that's deliberate, you know?

482
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:55.140
Yeah.

483
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.779
This is what happens when our old man.

484
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.740
You know, thinks he's somebody important and wants to be somebody important.

485
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.420
A lot of people end up dying.

486
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:04.380
Yeah.

487
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:05.339
Yeah.

488
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:11.280
But I do want to say, I think that Avery Brooks and Kenneth Marshall have terrific chemistry.

489
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:17.340
I think they attack this dialogue with real zeal because this could be very boring, but it's kind of pace dialogue, you know?

490
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.840
Yeah, yeah.

491
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:28.440
I mean, the whole thing is absolutely dependent on their performances and it is just put these 2 guys in a set and have them shout at one another for 20 minutes.

492
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:30.239
And it's just marvellous.

493
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.800
When people get under Cisco's skin.

494
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:33.659
I think that's some of the best scenes, you know.

495
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:38.280
And he's genuinely like he knows how to get under his skin, doesn't he?

496
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:39.719
He's saying all the right things.

497
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

498
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:47.039
But this, you know, like, I'm happy to destroy all of the alpha quadrant, whatever it's revenge.

499
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:47.880
I don't care.

500
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:52.920
And all of it is just made up because we find out that the missiles aren't real.

501
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.599
He says that, is that what you want?

502
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.960
To be the man who brought about the worst war in federation history.

503
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.619
And what I wanted him to say was, well, yeah, actually.

504
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.719
Then they'll remember me.

505
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.820
I'm not the little man anymore, you know.

506
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.860
And then once...

507
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:08.579
But actually, what he is?

508
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:09.900
an ordinary bloke, isn't he?

509
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.360
Yeah, but he's looking shifty here.

510
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.420
Hmm, what could be going on?

511
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.179
Oh, we go, back to the station.

512
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.340
That means we're going to get some knock action.

513
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:21.119
The B plot?

514
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:22.019
Time for the B plot.

515
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.820
We're going to Cork's bar now.

516
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.559
But you know what?

517
00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:27.719
I love the fuck is this?

518
00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:28.260
Come on.

519
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.940
They do it all the time.

520
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.400
It's so stupid.

521
00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:33.780
The North comes from...

522
00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:36.119
The North can throw darts into each other's chest.

523
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:40.079
I mean, they're pure they're pure comedy, aren't they?

524
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:40.860
They're pure comedy.

525
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.639
Well, yeah, yeah, which is why Discovery had to fix them.

526
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.699
Do you know what I love about Quarks bar, right?

527
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.239
As a setting is it's always got a bit of life about it.

528
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:52.320
You know?

529
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:55.079
Yeah, yeah, well they they have...

530
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.119
Jesus Christ, now they're doing it in the background.

531
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.000
They're like, dumb.

532
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.440
Can't you cut away from us?

533
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.639
We don't want to do this anymore.

534
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like smashing latex.

535
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.579
It's...

536
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:14.400
Sarah Lofton is very handsome, I have to say, is matured into a very handsome man.

537
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.619
Now that he's grown up.

538
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:17.940
He's very, very good looking.

539
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.320
He's very handsome there, you know.

540
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.599
Mind you off, he's Avery Brooks, he's incredibly handsome.

541
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.820
Oh my, no, Nogg's falling over.

542
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.420
That camera angle there.

543
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:28.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

544
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:41.340
But again, it's the absolute, it's the sitcom beats, you know, like he goes to stand up to Martoc as Cisco has advised him and then fucks it up spectacularly.

545
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.239
Fabulous CGI flames in the Badlands.

546
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:45.900
Yeah.

547
00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:52.380
But this is basically the 1st time they've been able to realise this with any kind of integrity before this.

548
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.780
I mean, if you've seen before this is terrible.

549
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:56.219
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.539
Yeah, I think it looks okay.

551
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:03.480
And I mean, that's the Badlands are important to the launching a Voyager, aren't they?

552
00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:05.579
That's where Voyager disappears from.

553
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.000
But this scene changes the dynamic, doesn't it?

554
00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:13.440
Because this is Cisco now goading him to see if he genuinely has a death wish or not.

555
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:14.340
And I like that.

556
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:16.199
And it just goes over and makes the coffee.

557
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:18.360
It goes, well, we can dive in, you know?

558
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.059
That's great.

559
00:37:21.179 --> 00:37:24.300
Yeah, it's actually 2 hand as well.

560
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:31.619
I have to say, like, there are a number of these in DS9's run, and you really do get to know these characters.

561
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.699
You really do get to care about them.

562
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:40.079
But you do say, you know, a lot of 90s trek is talk, but when the talk is as strong as this, I feel, I think that's a problem.

563
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:46.440
Yeah, I think that we could have had a bit more action.

564
00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:51.000
And certainly when we get down to the planet and we have action, it is a bit shit.

565
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:54.119
Although there are some really good moments.

566
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.460
There are some pretty great moments which we'll point out.

567
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:03.420
There's one fabulous bit where he's trying to figure out in the fog who to shoot from behind the barrel.

568
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:04.199
I love that bit.

569
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:06.119
Yeah, yeah, that is pretty funny.

570
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:09.599
You're thinking he might just go for Cisco anyway, you know?

571
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:11.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:15.000
And if he gets a funny line as well in response, we'll get there.

573
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:20.219
I love the captain being just so insouciant, though.

574
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:20.880
He's so great.

575
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:31.860
He is so chill. in a minute, where after he's been bashed around in the Jeffrey's tube and he comes back in and Eddington has a line and he goes, hmm.

576
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.719
Avery Brooke has never been camper and it's...

577
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.940
Oh, dude.

578
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:42.599
Sometimes, you know, when he's saying this Star Trek techno babble.

579
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:44.699
I can see in his head, it's like, what's happened to my career?

580
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:53.820
I think when they give him like good, juicy drama, he just, he really tears into it.

581
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.340
But when they give him Star Trek dialogue, it's like, oh, God.

582
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.800
Am I going to say this, Alan Moraine, really?

583
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:05.519
Yes, poor old Eddington dissipating the warp signature.

584
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:08.340
Oh, yeah, he goes, very fancy.

585
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.380
Oh, dear.

586
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.079
I was aware, you know, of the music in this episode.

587
00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.019
I was listening to music and yes, you're right.

588
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:20.340
It was a bit more papery.

589
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.599
Yeah, it was pretty boring.

590
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.679
All right.

591
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:26.880
Okay.

592
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:37.380
And there, I mean, there is some sort of bullshit macho cliche dialogue, including the I'm going to kill you just before the ad break, where, you know, like, hmm.

593
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.539
I find it weird is how they pace this because then they go into the break and then they just have a dialogue scene.

594
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.940
Well, they're going straight into him trying to, you know, stop the Gemmedar from finding them.

595
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.780
They just have a chat.

596
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:49.739
I was like, huh?

597
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:58.019
And then it's like, oh, talking of something you forgot, you thought we'd lost, you know, it's like, oh, you've just remembered that they're here, have you?

598
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.320
Okay.

599
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:07.079
Do you think this whole scene is just about, um, reminding us that, reminding us that Eddington's Canadian?

600
00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:07.619
Yes.

601
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:09.539
I don't know what the fuck is going on.

602
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.699
Like this goes literally nowhere and just we can't go from the ad break.

603
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.860
Like a loonie ever being mentioned before.

604
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:22.980
Shut up. what's happening I really, really like the design of the Gemhadar ships.

605
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.539
Yeah, they're cockroaches.

606
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.679
They're the bugs, aren't they?

607
00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:28.199
Yeah. when they come on masse, that looks great.

608
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.199
They're like the swarm, only not terrible.

609
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.280
We haven't had the DS9 equivalent of the boat Mart, yeah, have we?

610
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:42.360
No, well, they get that out of the way in series one, I think.

611
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:44.159
Two, two, Series two.

612
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.300
Oh really?

613
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.199
We'll never do that again.

614
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:50.760
Co-angerhead.

615
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.280
So stupid.

616
00:40:53.639 --> 00:41:00.599
The Cardassians stopped wearing them and the Beaumont picked them up in a secondhand sale or at a charity shop or something.

617
00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:11.579
But this isn't just like, obviously, this might feel like it's just delaying us, getting to the planet, and, but actually, it is bringing the Jem'Hadar into the story at this point.

618
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:17.039
Yeah, because that's important later on because we don't expect them to be there and to have massacred. everybody.

619
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.719
Yeah, yeah.

620
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:21.960
But I mean, this is all sort of fairly standard.

621
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:24.719
You know, he has to repair something.

622
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.400
They've got this fractious relationship.

623
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:39.239
He has to kind of be vulnerable, you know, his life kind of depends on Eddington keeping the ship working properly and trusting Eddington with this plan.

624
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.820
It's very stock Star Trek, all of this, isn't it?

625
00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:42.719
Yeah, yeah.

626
00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:44.159
I think I think it kind of is.

627
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:50.880
It does allow Avery Brooks to get really angry and go, get us to that large site, which always gives me a lot of blood every time.

628
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.139
Yeah, well absolutely.

629
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.059
This, the business with these fucking wires.

630
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:59.280
What's he got?

631
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.380
They've been playing about with these lit up wires now.

632
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.820
PNG season one.

633
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.860
It's so dangerous.

634
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.679
I've got to do the impulse flow regulator.

635
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:13.079
He opens a panel and then just unplug some wise and plugs them into something else.

636
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.679
Excuse me, they spot...

637
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.679
I thought this was the most sophisticated technology you could get, right?

638
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.280
Just getting plugging it in.

639
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:27.059
Do you know what?

640
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.760
Do you know what's the most hilarious example of this?

641
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:33.360
Do you remember one little ship where they were shrunk down to the size of an inch?

642
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.679
Oh really?

643
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:45.539
And O'Brien and Bashir have to beam into a thing and literally do this, but with massive ones, they have to pick up these massive wires and plug them in.

644
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.880
At least them aware that the plugging wires into things is ridiculous.

645
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:53.099
Oh, I do like this.

646
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:53.460
Look at this.

647
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:55.500
That's pretty great.

649
00:42:56.099 --> 00:43:00.000
We could afford a 32nd...

650
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.519
They do a wonderful in series 7 where they figured out how to do CGI inexpensively.

651
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:13.440
They do a wonderful sequence where they set fire to a sun and a massive wave comes out and destroys a whole shipyard.

652
00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:16.139
Cool. very cool.

653
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:17.639
Well, I thought that was pretty great.

654
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:18.539
That was pretty great.

655
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.219
Oh here we go.

656
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.559
Oh, look, there was a tiny bit of handheld camera work there, did you notice?

657
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:26.460
Only for a second.

658
00:43:27.300 --> 00:43:30.659
Ah, I love sister.

659
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.760
Do you know what?

660
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:38.460
The more we're revisiting DS9, the more I'm appreciating Avery Brooks.

661
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:39.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:40.199
Yeah.

663
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:42.900
I think he gets a bit of a bad rap.

664
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.019
But I think it's unjustified a little bit.

665
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.059
Yeah, no, I think it's unjustified. he's superb.

666
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:48.960
Oh, this is great.

667
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:55.559
This is hilarious because they absolutely are in Jake and Nog's spot on the promenade trying to bait him, aren't they?

668
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:56.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

669
00:43:56.460 --> 00:44:10.320
But, but also this sitcom dialogue about Jake bringing someone home and, you know, if I put the note on the door, that means I'm, you know, boning someone so don't come in.

670
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:14.639
It's hilariously cute.

671
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:18.539
They are marvellous together, aren't they, Jake?

672
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.139
Oh, they are.

673
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.599
And it's a relationship that has so much depth because we've watched them grow up, you know?

674
00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:25.920
Yeah, yeah.

675
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:30.719
When they were just both little kids, particularly strip loft and minuscule.

676
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:37.980
With a girl on that double date and Nog says to his girl, oh, can you chew my food, please?

677
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:39.960
I love that one.

678
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:40.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

679
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.780
And they both end up in a holding cell.

680
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.800
It's brilliant I used to love their hijinks in series one to three, you know.

681
00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:58.619
I have to say that one of the things I don't like about this plot, though, is like, it just makes Deep Chase 9 seem like, what, you can't even stand around talking.

682
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.300
Like, you're like, what is it?

683
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:02.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:12.719
You can't go. you can't make noise in a bar, you can't stand around talking and we've got, you know, the cop, nog enforcing these dumb rules.

685
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:14.400
It's so shit.

686
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:20.760
Look how this just, literally, the plot has ended here with him just going, you know, you're a very brave, a very stupid Ferengue.

687
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:26.039
And then in the next 2nd he's like, ah,ha. courage comes in all sizes and that's it.

688
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.300
That's the end of the problem.

689
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:34.139
But I like it in a way, and it's a little bit like what happens in House of Quark in minuscule.

690
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:41.820
He doesn't, he doesn't do the, you know, physically threatening, uh, Martoc, because he can't.

691
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:47.159
And so what he does is a comedy Ferengi line, which Martok appreciates.

692
00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:51.659
And so he deals with the situation in a way that's consistent with his character.

693
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.440
And, you know, it's funny and silly and self-deprecating.

694
00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:56.400
It's good.

695
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:57.179
It's great.

696
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.460
It just shows you how disposable the whole plot was.

697
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.039
Yeah, in 2 lines, it's over, you know?

698
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:02.880
Yeah.

699
00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:05.699
And it follows the beats that you expect it to follow.

700
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.679
But it, like, I think that it breaks this up in a way.

701
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:13.920
I think the episode would be poorer without it because it's fun.

702
00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:14.519
Yeah, for sure.

703
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.860
Oh, at least be too serious.

704
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

705
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:29.940
Do you know, so when they beam down now to this planet, which apparently, you know, they pumped full of smoke and mist and the actors had a very unpleasant time because it was all getting in their eyes all the time.

706
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.039
You keep referring to stock cave set number 59 or whatever.

707
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:38.400
There's only one of those stock cave sets.

708
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:40.500
It's always stock cave set number one.

709
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.219
It's the same fucking cave. every single time.

710
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:46.079
That's very true.

711
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:47.460
Excuse me.

712
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.960
It's a very low effort planet.

713
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:52.500
So this is where you know that this is exactly the same set.

714
00:46:52.619 --> 00:47:03.599
Now, I know this because I've done a bit of research, but it's exactly the same set as Children of Time, which was the last episode where they went down to a planet and it was a colony on the planet of the Defiance cruise descendants.

715
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:04.260
Yes.

716
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:06.059
Fabulous episode.

717
00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:06.659
Fantastic.

718
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:11.880
In fact, this episode is in the disadvantageous position of coming after that, which is so strong.

719
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:18.119
But you know it's the same set redressed because they've got the same well that they had in the Children of Time episode.

720
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:19.800
They also had a well in that one too.

721
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:24.960
Ah, but I do like the Jemhadar backlit and it's all misty.

722
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.460
They are a great silhouette.

723
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:30.659
Yeah, they really do and they're really sort of...

724
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.340
It's a bit of firefighting going.

725
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.380
It's a bit more dynamic than what we had in descent.

726
00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:35.820
No, that is true.

727
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.320
And don't you know what they're going?

728
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:41.460
Rather than just a standard Federation line.

729
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:42.659
Beam thing.

730
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.599
I like the fact that he's got a machine gun, basically.

731
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.260
It is a machine and the fact that it has an anti-coagulant in it.

732
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.380
So if you get shot, you cannot staunch the bleeding.

733
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.659
I like that Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

734
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:00.360
That's pretty cool Yeah, yeah, because that's when...

735
00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:03.900
I'll be the one holding the pipe That's so funny.

736
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.980
That is so funny.

737
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.480
Too Gematar with a pipe.

738
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:07.380
That's brilliant plan.

739
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.699
Yeah, I think it's really good.

740
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.719
I think it's properly good.

741
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.420
And I think this is well shot as well because you can't quite see who is who.

742
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.820
So we are kind kind of see.

743
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.860
No, I don't, no. because because the Jemadar is so much bigger than Avery.

744
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.420
Oh, he's a big man. because the silhouette is really obvious.

745
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:28.380
No, but it needs to be.

746
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.780
We need to be able to read what's happening.

747
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.519
We're not sure which way Eddington's going to go anyway because of their relationships.

748
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.260
Well, I think that we do.

749
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.460
I mean, there's a, but there's a moment's thought where I'm like, hmm.

750
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

751
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.059
No, I don't think I don't think so.

752
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:59.280
But there is that sort of comedy line at the end where Eddington just says I was going to shoot whoever was left standing because I knew that the gem Hadar would beat the shit out of you, which isn't quite what he says, but that's basically what he means.

753
00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:03.539
I know I know this is fairly, it's fairly drab in terms of colour, right?

754
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:10.800
But if they didn't pump in all the smoke and have it kind of all in shadow and things like this, it would be a really boring set.

755
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.440
Whereas I think it's a bit more interesting for it.

756
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:13.980
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.539
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

758
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.960
Down the whale with the Gemadar.

759
00:49:19.019 --> 00:49:19.440
There we go.

760
00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:23.039
This scene in a second.

761
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:33.000
It does exemplify sort of how dark DS9 is willing to go at times where they find all the bodies of the marquee.

762
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:36.420
And it's people that Eddington recognises as well.

763
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.079
Yeah.

764
00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:37.980
Yeah.

765
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:45.780
I was actually a bit surprised, like I was I was quite shocked by it.

766
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.719
I don't think that's a bad thing always.

767
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:53.159
I think sometimes you TV needs to hit you in the face, you know?

768
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

769
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:58.559
Like, I think I think it's pretty good.

770
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:11.880
And what's interesting is, of course, the way they do it, where we find one person whom he recognises, and then we go a bit further, and then there's an entire corridor of people.

771
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:14.039
Doctor Who episode where there's a load of dummies.

772
00:50:14.099 --> 00:50:15.840
They've actually filled it full of people, you know.

773
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:18.539
Well, or more convincing dummies, possibly.

774
00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:27.719
But I will say, like, even though even though it can kind of admire itself in cliche sometimes.

775
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:34.260
DSI does, I think, have the ability to shock more than the other 90s shows.

776
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.340
And it will push the horror a bit more, you know.

777
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah, and it doesn't like it doesn't rub your nose in it.

778
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:45.300
There's no sort of particular detail or anything like that.

779
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.559
It's.

780
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:55.320
But you know, it's the idea that these kind of idealists, they're all just like dead in a corridor, like they're not buried or anything, you know?

781
00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:59.039
They're not ejected into a pod into space or whatever they do in Star Trek.

782
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.440
They're just like left out like litter.

783
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.000
It's grizzly.

784
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:04.980
And think about it too.

785
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:10.019
Eddington will later say that he expected to find his wife among them.

786
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:14.460
And we don't know this at the moment, but this is a rescue mission.

787
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:24.000
So Eddington knew these people were here and he arrives and there's a whole heap of dead people and he doesn't know that.

788
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:33.840
He doesn't know at this point whether all of the people that he came to rescue are dead and he's kind of surprised when he sees some of them alive.

789
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:39.239
I did like that exchange there, where Edington is literally like, I failed them all.

790
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:42.659
I think he knows he's a little man who tried to play big and got it a bit wrong.

791
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.480
And then Cisco said that actually maybe we all failed them.

792
00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:48.119
Yes, we allowed this to happen.

793
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:49.440
Yeah.

794
00:51:49.440 --> 00:52:04.260
And I think that it would have been interesting to follow that up because I do think the idea that the Makia are a valid moral choice, like belonging to the McKee is consistent.

795
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:05.159
That shot.

796
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:09.000
That's so great where he just machine guns all the invisible.

797
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.119
And he goes, yeah, that's right.

798
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:17.340
Thank goodness you remembered they can do that.

799
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.340
I'm sorry, just reminds me of how fabulous the Jem'adar are, you know?

800
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.619
They've got their invisibility. got their machine guns.

801
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.659
Yeah, they've got a drug habit.

802
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.039
Mitch with a drug habit.

803
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:29.579
Yeah, yeah.

804
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.440
And not like the bone bar, are they?

805
00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:40.199
And look, this is a lot of very grimy people from the McKee who desperately need a bar.

806
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:41.159
Oh, she's very pretty.

807
00:52:41.219 --> 00:52:43.440
She's beautiful, isn't she?

808
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:48.659
I love the fact that she's got the most sayable name in all of Star Trek because everyone just starts going, Rebecca.

809
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:49.860
Rebecca.

810
00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:50.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

811
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.199
No, Rebecca, quick.

812
00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.139
And then when Eddington dies, he goes, honey.

813
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:56.219
Rebecca.

814
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:59.460
Such shit.

815
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:02.820
But she is, she's good.

816
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.840
She's properly good.

817
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:09.420
I would absolutely go for a McKee led by Rebecca in upcoming episodes.

818
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:16.619
Although there's a wonderful bit where we cut to the runabout and it pans across Cisco, to Rebecca, and she's given him the evil eye.

819
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:17.940
You remember that?

820
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:24.239
She has had a wash, I think, in between this scene and that one as well, but we'll just check on that when it happens.

821
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:30.360
And this, I actually think Cisco comes off as a prick here.

822
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:32.880
Well, Cisco comes off as a prick a lot.

823
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:33.659
That's what I like.

824
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:35.460
He's a bit flawed, Cisco.

825
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:43.260
But the punching, the punching him in the face is, I guess he's doing it because he's so worried.

826
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.019
Yeah, you know, like he keeps fooling him.

827
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.940
Yeah, that smile. that is good news smack you in the face.

828
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

829
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.179
Oh, naked he's so hot, honestly.

830
00:53:54.179 --> 00:53:54.960
He's really good.

831
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:55.860
Whoa hoo.

832
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.860
I'd let him hit me in the face.

833
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:09.059
And so it's clearly about him being kind of terrified for the last day or 2 about the upcoming war.

834
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:15.420
It's that thing that DS9 does a lot as well, where they really like fucking annoy each other.

835
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:25.980
Yeah, and it's a bit like Odo and Quark, and it's a bit like, I don't know, Garak, and anyone who's in a scene with Garak, is they really irritate each other, but they kind of respect each other as well. you know?

836
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.500
Well, I mean, because this is a rescue mission.

837
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:39.420
This is exactly because they were never going to set off a giant missile thing to attack Cardassia, that it was just about rescuing a group of people.

838
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:51.599
And so all of that macho act that Eddington was doing was all playing Cisco in exactly the same way as Cisco played him in the previous story.

839
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:54.000
Which is kind of nice, isn't he?

840
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:55.199
I think that's a nice reversal.

841
00:54:55.260 --> 00:55:08.519
And I realise the fact that they've gone from Cisco, like forcing him to help them to the 2 of them working together now. you know, at the end of his life. they're working together and just for a very humane reason.

842
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:10.679
Yeah, I think that's it.

843
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.320
That's what's really properly Star Trek-y about that.

844
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.780
It's not about defusing a bomb.

845
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.880
It's about rescuing people.

846
00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:21.780
I have to say, though, that this Jesus Christ.

847
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.440
Shooting behind the barrels.

848
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.599
No, no, no, that's all fine.

849
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:30.900
And then the kiss and then she goes and whatever. love all this.

850
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.099
Make it as melodrama.

851
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:33.059
It's like a war movie.

852
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:39.840
It is really... but they've set up Eddington as this man who wants to be this incredible hero.

853
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:41.699
And then it gets to be.

854
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:42.179
Yeah.

855
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:43.980
He gets the ending that he wanted.

856
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:48.059
Jesus Christ, he's about to say, no, leave me.

857
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:49.980
I'll only slow you down.

858
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:56.699
He has been practising these cliches. his entire life.

859
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.340
He's got them all on standpoint.

860
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.159
I'd only slow you down.

861
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.380
Get Rebecca to safety. yourself.

862
00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:09.300
And then he's what, does anyone know a good song?

863
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:10.980
something catchy.

864
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:13.019
Jesus Christ.

865
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:15.000
Rebecca.

866
00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:18.780
Oh, he's not coming.

867
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.699
Jesus Christ.

868
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.260
I love it.

869
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:30.300
But this is, come on, this is exactly how he wants to go in it.

870
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:32.519
Yeah.

872
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.139
In a blaze of glory.

873
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.219
Yeah.

874
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:40.199
And there's no way that these riders aren't aware that they're just trotting out these cliches at this point.

875
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:44.699
It is absolutely just he gets the standard heroic death.

876
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:53.639
There is something about these guns, you know, that make these sequences a bit more dino. the fact that every time the bolt hits, it's like a big explosion.

877
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:54.960
It's a practical explosion.

878
00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:55.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:56:55.739 --> 00:56:56.400
Yeah, absolutely.

880
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.760
Oh, yeah, maybe.

881
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.940
And they really, they probably shoot him about 5 times, don't they?

882
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.380
And you've got to think there's all that anti-coagulant in there, so you can have just bleeding to death now.

884
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:08.340
Just bleeding.

885
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.420
Yeah, straight away.

886
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:10.260
Another corpse.

887
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:11.280
Yep.

888
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:13.500
But then to be honest, to the collection.

889
00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:14.820
I mean, he had to chip out of this.

890
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.139
What else could they do with him after this?

891
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.139
you know, I think I think I think they've used, you know, his worth now.

892
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.000
Yeah, look, look.

893
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:24.119
Rebecca's had a wash, Rebecca's and put some more makeup on.

894
00:57:24.179 --> 00:57:24.900
She's looking great.

895
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:34.320
Bring in Ira Bear again at this point because he's always got interesting things to say and he basically insisted. that this plot was brought to an end.

896
00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:35.639
And do you know what he wanted to do?

897
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:37.260
He wanted to murder all of them.

898
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.699
He didn't want to edit them to somebody.

899
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.840
He wanted them to come along and they would all be massacred and there was no way this plot could continue.

900
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.760
But Rick Berman was like, no, there are marquee people.

901
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:58.920
We need to just give a little bit of hope that there are pockets of resistance out there still. because if they come back to the alpha quadrant, which, you know, was never going to happen, but they can pick up that thread.

902
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:14.940
And there's the there's the final scene of the B plot where it's just just like even just the slightest respect, you know, it is just cadet general and that's it and that's our victory at the end of that plot, which is great.

903
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.340
And then this Jesus Christ.

904
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:24.539
Now we have Dax explaining the significance of that incredibly cliche scene that we've all seen 1000000 times ago.

905
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:29.940
This scene is here because it mirrors a scene at the end of for the uniform.

906
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:37.019
And I think it's done a lot better for the uniform because she goes, you know, you didn't clear any of this for Starfleet, did you?

907
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.840
And he's like, well, you know, and she goes, you liked a bit.

908
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:45.900
So he goes, well, sometimes you just got to be a good villain and Dax goes, well, sometimes I like it when the bad guy wins.

909
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:47.940
And it's a great ending to that episode.

910
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.639
Whereas this is all a bit self-explanatory, you know.

911
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:51.719
Yeah, I think so.

912
00:58:51.840 --> 00:59:01.619
But this, you know, I think this was forced upon them by Rick Berman, that they had to have this line about, Oh, maybe there's some of them out there somewhere, you know, biding their time.

913
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.559
I don't think that's the wrong choice.

914
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:16.260
I think having Eddington arrive and they're all dead would have just been so miserable and I just kind of think, let's, you know, let's not do that.

915
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:17.639
I think it's the right call.

916
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:23.760
Once, I'll go with the Star Trek ideal and I will silence the cynic in me.

917
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:37.320
No, and I think, you know, just because of the special position the marquis have that they're right in some ways and they stand as a critique of the federation.

918
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:42.780
And so wiping them out is kind of invalidating their position.

919
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.420
And it was, oh, you know, we'll wipe them a key out.

920
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.300
They all fucking hippies or whatever and they're tomatoes and stuff.

921
00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:51.239
Like, I just, like, I think that's a bad call.

922
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:57.719
But I do understand why they felt the need to, they've got a lot of running stories at this point.

923
00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:00.960
And that, you know, he's going, look, we cannot juggle everything.

924
01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:07.260
If we're going to, if we're going to do the Dominion war, we need to bring some, you know, we need to, yeah, get some of our cards in order.

925
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:17.880
And also to create something that, To indicate that they're happy to shake up the kind of status quo in the alpha quadrant.

926
01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:21.300
And they've already done that in series 4 with the war with the Klingons.

927
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.380
You know, we've got this war impending throughout series 5.

928
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:33.000
And you have the Dominion come and immediately wipe out one of the major players in the quadrant.

929
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.559
I think is the right move.

930
01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:38.880
It's like the comedy scene with Quark in this episode.

931
01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:41.880
It's all about making the war real.

932
01:00:41.940 --> 01:00:44.460
You know what's about to change, don't you?

933
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:55.739
Is that as we go into series 6 and they bring in, you know, the new CGI company, we would actually see those kind of massive sweeping changes.

934
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:58.679
We would see the battles and the, you know, the ships.

935
01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:01.980
It's all offscreen, which is all a bit strange and a bit cheap.

936
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:04.380
Yeah, well, that's that's why.

937
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:13.440
But it does cut to the emotional beats of it of seeing all the corpses and I think perhaps that's a bit more important than seeing a load of spaceships blowing up.

938
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:26.639
I want to do say, I want to say about Blaze of Glory is that it is one of, I would say, I want to say it's one of the lesser episodes of season five, but it's not one of the strongest.

939
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:33.059
For me, I think season 5 of DS9 is the strongest Star Trek season of all.

940
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:37.440
And I think the hit rate in season 5 is extraordinarily good.

941
01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:42.719
It is on fire with its characterisations with its running plots and how it looks as well.

942
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.820
There's a lot of really good productions in Sirius 5.

943
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:54.179
The fact that this isn't one of the stronger episodes and yet it has some powerhouse acting, some really good dialogue, some great twists and turns.

944
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:59.760
It's a reasonable action, and a funny B plot, and this isn't one of the better episodes of the season.

945
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:03.059
I think that just goes to show how high the bar is at this point.

946
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.480
All right, it's time for us to choose our next Star Trek episode.

947
01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:19.260
And so Joe is on Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser as we speak.

948
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.960
What series are we choosing from this week?

949
01:02:22.019 --> 01:02:24.179
It's the highlight of the week.

950
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.599
Oh, actually, it's the highlight of the Fortnite because I only get to press it once every 2 weeks.

951
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:33.420
Today, Nathan, I'm going to be selecting from the entire Star Trek franchise.

952
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.800
Ooh.

953
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:40.079
But as we have mentioned before, this does rather swing in the favour of 199...

954
01:02:40.139 --> 01:02:41.039
Yeah, that's right.

955
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:43.380
All right, okay, I'm with you.

956
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.179
How about you press the button?

957
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:46.619
Here I go.

958
01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:48.480
Oh my god.

959
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:50.099
Oh my god.

960
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:51.599
It's sub-rosa.

961
01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:52.739
What is it?

962
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.920
It is...

963
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.019
Jesus Christ, it is...

964
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.260
Okay, well, we're done.

965
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:01.739
All right.

966
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.300
We'll see you next week for some.

967
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.739
Well, I think we have to do it.

968
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:05.940
Oh, we have to do it.

969
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:06.960
It could never come up again.

970
01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:08.519
What happens if it never comes up again?

971
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:13.139
We have to do some roses. possibly say that and that's what it is.

972
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:15.900
Of the entire franchise.

973
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.840
I always guess that it's subrose.

974
01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:26.400
I could have snuck in and like tinkered with the JavaScript and made it be subrose. you do that?

975
01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:27.000
Is that possible?

976
01:03:27.059 --> 01:03:28.019
Yeah, of course I can.

977
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.280
Yeah, I can do anything.

978
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.260
But it is completely random.

979
01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:33.719
God, Planet of the Scottish people.

980
01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:34.320
Is it Irish?

981
01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:35.219
Scottish?

982
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:36.360
No, Scottish, isn't it?

983
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:39.239
It's Beverly Crusher.

984
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:41.099
There's a ghost in this host.

985
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:46.619
Yeah, we're going to do that shitty Scottish accent for the entire episode as well.

986
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:56.519
It's a sequence where Beverly Crusher and Troy are in those incredible leotards talking about Beverly's erotic dreams.

987
01:03:56.579 --> 01:04:01.619
It's the most masculine feminine dialogue. in your life.

988
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:02.760
Holy crap.

989
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:06.420
It makes my boobs firm up just listening to it.

990
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:10.260
The sequence where...

991
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:11.519
Actually, you know what?

992
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.179
By all accounts, the women, because this is a Brandon Bragger script, of course.

993
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:22.199
The women on the production team were going after Brandon Bragger and saying, what an amazing script.

994
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:25.559
You know, you've really, you've really got into the head of a woman there.

995
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.559
As if all they want to do, you know, fuck a ghost.

996
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:31.679
Yeah. amazing.

997
01:04:31.739 --> 01:04:38.940
And it does give us the one opportunity we're going to have in the run of TNG to see Gates McFame having an orgasm.

998
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.340
Yep, onscreen orgasm for gates.

999
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:41.820
Absolutely.

1000
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:42.840
And the car walks in.

1001
01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:44.940
Yeah, that always happens.

1002
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.280
Your boss walks in just while you're out.

1003
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:48.360
It's embarrassing, isn't it?

1004
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:49.380
Yeah, terrible.

1005
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:50.639
Amazing.

1006
01:04:50.699 --> 01:04:51.179
Well, I am.

1007
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:52.019
I am.

1008
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:56.519
If it's, do you watch Sub Rosa in the next week?

1009
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:57.960
Brilliant.

1010
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.679
Oh my god.

1011
01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:13.019
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1012
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:19.019
You can find us online at untitledstar trekroject.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1013
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:24.840
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1014
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:30.599
This episode was recorded on the 30th of March 2022 and released on the 8th of April.

1015
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:35.880
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the Next Generation, Sub Rosa.