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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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What on earth are we watching today?

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Today, Nathan, we are watching a season 5 episode of Deep Space 9

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called Blaze of Glory.

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And it's a standalone episode that I don't need any background to

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understand.

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Is that right?

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Absolutely.

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This is, this is, you know, you know, peak 90s trek syndicated can

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be viewed out of order and it doesn't make any impact whatsoever

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on your viewing experience.

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So this actually is the final episode of a very important

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secondary character on Deep Space 9.

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Um, and that's Michael Eddington, who has been in the show since

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the beginning of series 3.

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Three, yeah.

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He was introducing the search as like Starfleet security coming

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in.

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And I think the idea was to create a bit of tension with Odo.

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But actually I didn't really go anywhere.

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Like, I don't think there was ever the intention initially to have

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Eddington be the head of the marquee, you know.

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No.

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But what happened was he was introduced.

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He kept turning up in like random episodes, as you know, the

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security guy.

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And then they had the episode at the end of the season, the

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adversary, where, you know, the changeling infiltrator was on the

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ship, and everybody was like, he's really shifted.

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What's going on with Eddington?

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And suddenly everybody was asking questions about this character

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like, what's his deal?

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And then I think, like, you said before, they kind of make it up

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as they go along, but they kind of listen to fan opinion as well

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and they're going, okay, let's do something with this character.

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And then in series four, so they wait nearly 2 seasons to drop

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that he is, you know, this terrorist leader.

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And then they run with it.

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They run with it in full the cause where they hit with like the

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double whammy twist of Eddington is the Marquis leader and Casty

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Yates is supplying goods to the Marquis, all in one episode.

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It's fantastic.

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He has a wonderful seat at the end with Cisco, where he condemns

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the Federation and calls them worse than the Borg.

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It's such a great scene.

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And Cisco's nostrils are flaring like you wouldn't believe.

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Did you watch for the uniform?

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I didn't, I didn't get the chance to watch it, but as always, I

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did read Michael's memory alpha entry.

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I get the impression that when they introduce him what they're

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trying to do.

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Like, there's already a character there to provide conflict with

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Odo, and that's Quark.

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And it's because Quark breaks rules.

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He's on the sort of wrong side.

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And so you've got Eddington coming at Odo from the other end

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because he's a real stickler for the rules.

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And that's clearly how they were trying to kind of position him.

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But I think he ends up being a better foil for Cisco.

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And I think that they respond well to their scenes together, which

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is why this episode is essentially just a 2 hander.

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Don't you think?

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So what you have, ultimately, is this trilogy of marquee episodes

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that finishes off the marquee storyline, essentially, for the

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cause, which exposes Eddington, for the uniform, which is where

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Cisco hunts him down and then Blaze of Glory, which then polishes

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Michael Eddington off.

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I think for the uniform is by far the strongest of the three.

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I think it's an absolute classic and it's potentially Avery

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Brooks's best performance at Cisco because he gets to be like

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blazingly terrifyingly angry.

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And he turns himself into like the villain of the piece because he

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knows that Eddington wants to play the hero.

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So he starts going around bombing planets and things.

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So Eddington comes out and he's like, I'm going to bomb that

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marquee planet unless you, and so Eddington can ride out as the

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hero and be like, oh, sacrifice myself, you know, it's amazingly

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good.

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And then and then there's this episode which kind of rounds it off

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allows them to kind of discuss the whole marquee storyline and

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then does something pretty shocking at the end.

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We'll get back.

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Maybe.

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I certainly think a load of corpses lying around a corridor.

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That is actually quite shocking.

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But what's interesting is, obviously, this storyline was not set

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up to be a central part of DS9.

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The whole part of the marquee storyline was set up for Voyager

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initially.

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So it was the 3 shows, they said we're going to have a linked

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storyline in NextGen's last season in DS9's 2nd season and in

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Voyager's 1st season.

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We're going to have this, you know, they're all doing marquee

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storylines.

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And what happened was Voyager had this brilliant premise of the

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the 2 crews, the marquee crew, and the Starfleet crew, and there's

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ripe for tension.

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And I think they do about 2 episodes where they, you know, pug

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front a few punches and things like that.

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And Cesca's being a bit, well, Cesca's great.

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Let's be actually awesome.

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And then they just sort of ignore it, don't they?

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It's just like, oh, well, we're all one big happy family now.

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Well, in a sense, it was actually always kind of not going to work

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I think, on Voyager, because they're no longer in that context.

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And so in a sense, it doesn't matter.

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There's no real kind of thing to being a member of the Maquee

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anymore because they're 70,000 light years away from the Maquee.

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Yes, but it's kind of...

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It is kind of like those characters' identity and they do still

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call themselves like they call themselves Starfleet officers, but

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I don't think Alana Torres and Chakotay and all of that ever, kind

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of disassociate themselves like that.

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And imagine if they'd have had Voyager and a marquee ship going

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alongside each other.

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I imagine that storyline and that would have been so interesting.

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Well, I mean, just the fact that they put them in Starfleet

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uniforms by the end of, you know, was an episode one or like very

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quickly they're in the pyjamas and clearly that's an aesthetic, an

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aesthetic decision rather than an actual kind of plot thing.

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And so I think they are throwing it away sort of straight away.

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So, Star Trek, the Next Generation does this for both of the

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spinoffs, right?

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So series 5 sets up the Cardassians as a threat, like in, is the

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wounded series five?

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No, series four.

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Not even me three, I think.

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No, it's four.

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That's four, I think.

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And that's kind of the 1st Cardassian thing.

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But then they get beefed up in series 5 with things like, oh, and

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in series 6, I guess, in chain of commands.

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And the Bajorans get introduced with Rowe in...

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Five, yeah.

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And then series 7 has those 2 pivotal stories, journeys end, and

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preemptive strike, which is the 2nd last episode just before all

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good things.

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Which you, so to me in a message earlier, is pretty kind of lazily

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directed by Patrick Stewart.

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And I think it is.

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I don't think he's a great director, but it is a nicely written

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story.

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We've had sting in the tail and which works because Patrick

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Stewart gets to be properly angry at the end, you know, that Rose

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betrayed him.

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I guess what's interesting about them a key, and it is a thing

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where even Star Trek, the Next Generation, which is fairly

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straightforwardly cheerleading for the Federation as an

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institution, the Makia introduced, and in the story where they're

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introduced, we get what, the DMZ between Cardassia and the

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Federation setup.

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And the Federation...

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She's like Jean-Luc. you will bring down these terrorists And the

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Federation's very clearly on the wrong side, and it's interesting

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that it's that it's a sort of colonialist thing, that Picard is

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given the task of dispossessing some Native Americans from their

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planet so that the Cardassians can have it because they've traded

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that planet away as part of the negotiations.

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And Picard is even invited to remember like an ancestor of his who

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was involved in dispossession.

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And if... all of that kind of nature.

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Yeah, you'd be awkward.

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Whenever they go into...

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Chakotay.

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Hello?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think it's super interesting that the federation, which is

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America, is kind of a settler society, like America, like

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Australia, you know, like a place where the land was forcibly

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taken from indigenous people so that it could be colonised.

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And so positioning the Federation as that, and therefore putting

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them in the wrong morally.

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What you have with a McKee is an organisation that good people

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that people of good conscience, that people we like are

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supporting.

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And so we start with Ensign Rowe.

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We have a regular on Deep Space 9 who is in a similar position

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where she was fighting against the Cardassians to retain her

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homeland.

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We have Thomas Riker, which again is like, this is a decision that

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Riker could have easily made.

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Cal Hudson in the Marquise Cisco's busy, mate.

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You know, because what it is.

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We're in that position then where they're moving. you know, there

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were Federation colonies behind that DMC that have now been given

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up.

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So it's Federation versus Federation.

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And that's not been done before really.

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That's a really interesting position No, and to have something

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standing outside the Federation, I think they throw it away a

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little bit here a little bit, but I'll get to why I think that's

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happening.

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But it is something that people, we respect can support, and it is

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something where the federation's in the wrong.

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And this is something that we've talked about.

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The difference between Berman Trek, once it kind of really hits

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its stride, and Kurtzman Trek, where Kurtzman Trek wants to

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present the Federation as an ideal to aspire to in a fairly

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uncomplicated way.

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And, you know, you can see why because of, you know, the rise of

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the alt rights and Trump and all of that sort of thing.

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Whereas 90s trek wants to critique America, like wants to use the

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federation to critique liberalism, I think.

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I don't think so much is 90s trek.

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Because I don't think Voyager or TNG really does a great deal at

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that.

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I think it's DS9.

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DS9 DS9 is the show that actively criticises the Federation a

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lot.

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And I love it.

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Yeah.

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It criticises it from the left as well.

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So the Federation is sort of liberalism, isn't it?

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In a way. and it does sort of stand up against tyranny and it's

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about equality and utopian socialism and stuff.

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But this is a critique that comes from the left.

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And I think that's super interesting.

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I think Kurtzmantrek is doing the right thing with the Federation

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now, given the current political context.

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But I think kind of poking that utopia and looking under the rock

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and seeing what's under there.

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It was so interesting at the time, you know.

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And so much worth doing.

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So much more involving than TNG and presenting it all as, you know

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we're wonderful and we have our ideals and we don't have money and

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you know, oh, so boring, again.

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DS9 takes all those cadets, puts them on a ship and then blows the

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shit out of them, you know.

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Is your ideals?

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Yeah.

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The Dominion knocked them out.

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I do want to say though, and I know I praise DS9 a lot.

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But I think this is, you know, another example of where it's

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getting it right.

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It took hold of this idea and it kind of shakes it until

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interesting things fall out, you know, whereas all the other shows

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didn't.

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And I think the serialised thing, which actually makes this show a

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little bit difficult to dip into.

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But given that it's a spinoff of a, you know, science fiction

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property that basically nerds are watching and people are invested

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in.

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We watch this the way that people watch a soap opera, I think.

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And so it allows itself to do this, and I think that that makes

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everything a little bit more layered and a little bit more

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interesting.

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It's not just space problem of the week.

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And this is one of a handful of episodes, I think, too, where

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there's a central relationship between a regular and a guest

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star.

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And I'm thinking things like duet and progress and maybe voyages

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counterpoint.

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Oh, that's fantastic.

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It's really good, isn't it?

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And this, I think, really works because we've been playing the

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long game with the Eddington character, we're invested in him and

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the actor and Avery Brooks are really good together, I think.

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Yeah, no, I agree.

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And I think the really interesting thing about Eddington.

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And obviously, we'll go into this in the 2nd when we jump into the

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episode is Ira Bear says in an interview, you know, this is the

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guy in overall creative control.

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He's not sure where he stands with Eddington.

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Like, and you know, when he talks to fans, some people love him.

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Some people hate him.

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Like, there's a real ambiguity about this character.

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No one can quite pin him down as to whether he worked, whether he

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didn't, whether he was good, whether he was bad.

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I think that means he kind of worked because I think that's what

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they're going for.

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Shades are gray.

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You know, and everyone, everyone is coming out in his character

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very, very different.

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And I've got a very, like, my unique take on him. which I'll go

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into as we watch it.

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But I rather like that, you know, that you can't, I don't like

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Dukat, where you can just go, well, he's evil, you know, or

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Garrett.

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Oh, he's good, really, you know, he's got a bit of a dodgy side to

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him.

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With Eddington.

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I don't really know whether he's a good guy or a bad guy really.

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I think he sees himself as a good guy, but he behaves like a bad

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guy.

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It's super interesting.

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Yeah.

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All right. you think we should go in?

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We better hats.

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Yes, we better have.

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All right.

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I'm going to count us in.

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Here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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I am going to say this again, Nathan, you know, that every time we

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talk about DS9 year.

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We always got lots to say.

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Is it a show with some substance, you know?

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Uh, so here we start with the absolutely adorable but completely

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disposable B plot.

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I don't care if it's disposable.

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You know what?

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I remember reading a review at the time, right?

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where people were going, enough of Nog already because it was

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about 8 B plots.

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Do you know that he went off to Starfleet?

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Starfleeter Academy in series four.

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So when they got him back.

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They just wanted to do loads of him.

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So they did the Jake and Nog movie episode, Nog goes off to Npok

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Nog episode, in the cards, like there's loads of Noggle.

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Oh my god, he's so adorable.

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Yeah, yeah, he's really great.

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And I think this is really fun.

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And it is a very, very standard sitcom plot, I think.

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Oh, yeah.

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There's nothing deep going on here, is there?

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They try and very tenuously link it in with the main plot.

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Yeah, with a last line.

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Well, I think they're trying.

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I think they're trying.

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I don't know if it's success.

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But do you know why this is here?

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It's not about knock.

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This B plot was specifically added to remind people that Martok

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was part of this show.

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Because when he was brought back in in purgatory shadow and buying

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photos lie, that's the last time we saw him.

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And then they say he was established on the station.

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And then we've had about 5 or 6 episodes.

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And we haven't seen him.

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No, and they were like, right, we need to remind people of this

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character's here.

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So that's why this is here.

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Right.

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And this is the real Martok.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So the Martok that we meet in series 4 is a changeling, and this

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is the real one because he has one eye missing.

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Yeah, we've mentioned we've mentioned 2 big, well, three.

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Casta Yates, Michael Weddington, and Martog.

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This was absolutely a show that lent into the fact that it was

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serialised and they could do these good twists for these

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characters.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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That's the sort of TV we're getting now.

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That's the sort of thing that happened in Discovery series one in

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every single episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, this is, this is such like, he's virtually the wacky

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neighbour or something.

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You know, he's an Urkel. where he goes.

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He goes, no, you've got to stand up to him.

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And then the 2nd he comes in, he goes, right, that does it.

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And then sister goes, no, sit down.

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And shoves it back down in the chair again.

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Well, this is a really great TV moment because we only have this

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set, so the other 2 characters have to leave, whereas in real life

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they would go into another room and have this conversation.

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It's like no one says, we're in the middle of dinner.

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Can you go into another room and talk about this?

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It's that exposition dialogue we were talking about before.

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Now the Kardashians have their new Dominion allies.

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They've wiped out the market.

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Thank you very much for that.

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We have been paying attention, Paul.

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Thank you.

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You may as well just look straight out the camera.

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Yeah, I noticed that as well.

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Michael, we sent the missiles.

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Yeah, why didn't they pronounce it missiles?

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It's very, very upsetting.

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Do you know what's I found super interesting about the whole like

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fake missile thing is that Cisco is desperate to prevent a war

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which obviously we now know hits in just a few episodes time.

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Yeah, but this was a point where they're just still, they're still

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trying to push it back, you know.

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And I think the show is basically hinting that this is inevitable

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at this point, that this conflict is going to boil over.

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I think that's really kind of interesting, but I do like this.

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And so I have watched of, I have watched all of Deep Space 9, but

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some of it was a very long time ago.

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And so I do sometimes have the experience of wondering, I didn't, I

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didn't pick the twist when I was watching it this time.

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I didn't remember that the missiles spoiler alert are a faint.

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They're not real.

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And it does change the character of the episode.

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And if you think about it, right?

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What if the missiles were real, then what happens in the episode?

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They go to the planet and they disarm the missiles and then we all

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go home.

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If this was a voyage...

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If this was void, that would be the point.

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Yeah, no, that is the small dread noise.

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She literally goes into the missile and deactivate it.

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Exactly.

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Yep.

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So boring.

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It's as deep as that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, do you know, I have to say, I love the character of Martoc.

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And I'm not the biggest fan of the Klingons. at all with

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discovery.

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I find them a bit, you know, some of the episodes are very good

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like redemption and things like that, but some, like rightful air

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Sons of Mogue.

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I just find the culture a bit macho and a bit dull.

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Whereas Martoc, right?

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JG Herzler, choose the scenery with such gusto.

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Yeah, he's really good.

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Do you remember the whole sequence in strange bedfellows where

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he's like, I had this fabulous tag once, you know, and my wife

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didn't want him.

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So she left the door open and I, you know, and he's basically

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talking to Cisco about the fact that he's got married and he goes

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what is it?

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You may win the battle, but you'll never win the war.

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He's amazing.

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He's such a great character.

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There is a really, really annoying Klingon scene, which I will

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comment on when it arrives in this, yeah.

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Jesus Christ.

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Is it when they're in the bar?

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and they're just they're rowdy.

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Yes.

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So terrible. you get here, not going, does it?

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That's funny.

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No, that is that's a properly funny scene.

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And it is structured like a sitcom B plot, which I'm here for

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because the rest of it is a bit bleak.

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See, to me before, about how they led into the comedy of syrup

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noftum being a giant, and Aaron Eisenberg being tiny.

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But with J.J.

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Herzer, it's even funnier. when those 2 are standing next to each

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other.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, where they put the cameras easily.

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Especially where they're telling.

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Yeah, where, you know, he's trying to be authoritative.

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He's tiny.

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Oh, Aaron eyes, man.

447
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I tell you what, that character, what a journey he went on across

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this show.

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And I'll say it again.

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I think Nog had some of the best development of any character in

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Star Trek from beginning to end.

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And he's just really very good.

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Like he's fun to watch and giving him a fluffy plot like that is

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absolutely not a waste of our time.

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Like we were talking about things that were being introduced in

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TNG that then were picked up and improved and given some depth by

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DS9, The Ferengi, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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You wouldn't you wouldn't watch the last outpost and imagine you'd

460
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have a character like not going on that journey, would you?

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No, absolutely.

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Here we go.

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It's the obligatory O'Brien and Dax scene.

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They got to be in one scene to fulfil their contract.

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She'll be in the final scene, though.

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Oh, God.

467
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God, this light is so terrible.

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It's like a libistian mastodon.

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You can hear it in the forest, but you can't see it.

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It's so so bad.

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It's such just standard Star Trek dialogue.

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It is.

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But she is, but she is beautiful though.

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I don't care She is.

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She's fantastic Oh, look at, that's, I like the way that's back

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lit, you know, that prison.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's a model that they've used any number of times before.

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I think in Star Trek, the next generation.

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Do you know the set is the Voyager Brick?

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you know that?

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Just lit and shot from a different angle.

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I have a problem with this.

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So, in, this is, he just sits here.

485
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That's like his in solitary confinement.

486
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He's in prison.

487
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Why why is he in solitary confinement?

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Well, because he's a dangerous terrorist criminal.

489
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Well, just like he's a political prisoner.

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I just think it's a problem.

491
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What should they be doing with him?

492
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Well, he could go to New Zealand and, you know, I don't know, hang

493
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out with the Hobbits or something, you know, like Tom Paris.

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Maybe Cisco's trying to punish him, you know, drive...

495
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But I think that this is something written by Americans and just

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Americans imagine putting people in prison and this is supposed to

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be a futuristic socialist utopia.

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And I don't know why you put a political prisoner in solitary

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confinement like that.

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I just think it's a problem.

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It just annoys me.

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He says later, doesn't he?

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He says later that if, because obviously he knows that this

504
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.500
message means they've got to the safe house. that if, you know, if

505
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:06.539
you hadn't forced me to come, I would have volunteered.

506
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.480
I mean, we wouldn't have believed the plot at all if he'd done

507
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:09.599
that.

508
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:12.000
So it had to go this way, didn't it?

509
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:13.140
Yeah, yeah.

510
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:13.680
Yeah.

511
00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:15.539
And I did believe the plot, to be honest.

512
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:17.400
Yeah.

513
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:22.440
So at the end of series 4 of Discovery, there's a character who

514
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.539
has committed crimes and we hear what that character's fate is, and

515
00:24:27.539 --> 00:24:30.119
I was happy with that, I'm not going to spoil it for you.

516
00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:31.799
I don't really care that much.

517
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:39.960
But it's a much more sort of sensible kind of punishment and we're

518
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:40.740
kind of happy with it.

519
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.440
But this sort of punitive American approach to...

520
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.380
It's just leaning into a cliche, isn't it?

521
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

522
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:50.460
He's like this sort of bitter, you know, I don't think they should

523
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:54.539
go to New Zealand. beautiful landscape and no, suffer on your

524
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:54.779
own.

525
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:55.980
We're not even going to give you any books.

526
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.579
Yeah, no, you see, I just think it's that's a bit crazy.

527
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.960
But they do, he says, doesn't he?

528
00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:04.500
I lied here and I'm getting the reports of all the people that

529
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:07.619
were dying and that's like, that's terrible, isn't he?

530
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:08.279
Yeah.

531
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:11.640
Yes, I do love that.

532
00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.720
Sorry, go on.

533
00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:16.920
I was going to say, I do love the fact that this is like the 1st

534
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.039
time, I think, the Dominion came through the wormhole in purgatory

535
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:21.539
shadow, which was a few episodes back.

536
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:26.039
And suddenly, you know, we're learning that the marquee, that

537
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:31.259
we're genuinely, you know, making an impact on the Cardassians and

538
00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:34.140
had them on the run, they're completely wiped out.

539
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:38.220
So this makes the dominion. you know, a palpable threat in the

540
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.119
Alpha Quadrant.

541
00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:43.259
And I really like that, you know, before we have the war with the

542
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:43.920
Dominion.

543
00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:46.920
They're already making big ships in the Apple Quadrant.

544
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.480
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:53.220
And like in a way, the Makia, kind of a bit disposable, like we

546
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.059
can do without them.

547
00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:58.680
And so when we want to emphasise the Dominion as a threat, we have

548
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:00.779
them help, the Cardassians wipe them out.

549
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.240
But then they make something of it.

550
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:05.400
You've got Eddington sort of hanging around.

551
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:06.900
He still survived.

552
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.380
Uh, you know, the the last episode he was in.

553
00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:11.579
What are we going to do with him?

554
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.960
And maybe the episode title is a giveaway.

555
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.279
Blades of Glory.

556
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.400
I wonder if he survives.

557
00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:23.880
I don't know what you mean about these literal episode titles.

558
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.400
Wrong star for them, death or no.

559
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.940
I wonder if Kira's mum really was fucking Dukat.

560
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:39.240
So so he doesn't do the sort of Valjean Javert thing that he did

561
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:40.140
in his last appearance.

562
00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:41.400
I love that so much.

563
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.180
Do you remember?

564
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:44.339
And he's like, I'll give you what you want.

565
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.700
It's supposed to be metadramatic.

566
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:51.779
Have you read that book?

567
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.099
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:58.859
You know, like the show, you know, these shows are in some senses

569
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:00.539
melodrama as well.

570
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:06.119
And so these sort of macho posturing that Eddington does, is being

571
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:12.900
directed at a version of Cisco that Cisco kind of, you know, faked

572
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.680
in the last episode that they were in together.

573
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:22.019
And I don't think I'd realise that quite because I just thought

574
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:24.660
why is he talking about Cisco like this?

575
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.279
Cisco's nothing at all like this?

576
00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:29.700
You know, but it is a sort of fake version in his head.

577
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.000
He genuinely did bomb one of those planets.

578
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:38.220
He gave it enough time to get away, but he did vomit. you know, but

579
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:40.380
he wasn't just painting himself as the villain.

580
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.420
He actually was portraying that villain.

581
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.920
So this scene, now we're in another scene in the infirmary

582
00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:48.359
contractual obligation, number two.

583
00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:53.220
Except that I think this scene is important as part of the lead up

584
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:54.839
to the war.

585
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.799
For sure.

586
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:56.160
Yeah.

587
00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:56.519
Yeah.

588
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.039
No, I would have loved to have seen more running through the

589
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.819
promenade naked.

590
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.079
Naked, yeah.

591
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:03.900
Screaming, we're all...

592
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.920
No, maybe not.

593
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:05.339
Maybe not.

594
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.000
Yeah.

595
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.500
I don't know, though.

596
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.559
I reckon he's probably, I reckon Mullen's fairly well endowed, you

597
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:10.740
know?

598
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.799
I think he's got a lot of BDE.

599
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:15.000
Yeah.

600
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.140
But yeah, basically, yeah, they're talking, she says, doesn't

601
00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:22.319
she?

602
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:25.140
Oh, it's probably to tell us that the 1st wave of Gemadara

603
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:25.500
coming.

604
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.299
Actually, that's in 2 episodes time.

605
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.640
In a way joking about it, you know?

606
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:30.180
Yeah, yeah.

607
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:31.140
But it's a joke.

608
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.240
I think I mean, this is so funny.

609
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:40.380
And Quark, when he's aggrieved, is hilarious and so they lean into

610
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:41.160
that, don't they?

611
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.480
He's always being hit, you know?

613
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.519
Like, he's like...

614
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.799
Where they go, mourn, of all people.

615
00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:52.200
Who would have thought he would have snapped and then calls line

616
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.880
is, why are you looking at me?

617
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:59.700
Then I might have idly suggested that we'll all be dead.

618
00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:04.619
Oh, a shimmer could sound.

619
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.259
Oh, man, it's like the Robert Ricardo of this show.

620
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.160
We can see how I line.

621
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:11.700
No, but that hilarious line.

622
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.220
So from Odo, so that's when he ran onto the promenade saying we're

623
00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:18.059
all doomed.

624
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:23.460
And he's delivering it again, like the great sitcom veteran that

625
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:23.940
he is.

626
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:29.339
It's so good And this is, I mean, this is how you do a contractual

627
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:30.599
obligation scene. isn't it?

628
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:31.559
Yeah, yeah.

629
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.720
But also it builds up the war.

630
00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:36.660
So the war doesn't just come out of nowhere in a few episodes

631
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:37.200
time.

632
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:42.119
One of the things I adore about season 5 is that they are always

633
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.660
building up to that climax, like in every single episode.

634
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.839
It's like it's like all the little bits of the puzzle come

635
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.220
together in call to arms.

636
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:56.579
Now, I was initially a bit shitted by that reveal as we go out to

637
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:57.420
the ad break.

638
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:01.200
So you've got Cisco contacting Kira saying what he's doing and

639
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.720
then it turns around and then we've got Eddington in the

640
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:04.859
background.

641
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:09.779
And I thought that they were punting on actually writing and

642
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:14.099
performing the scene where some kind of important persuasion

643
00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:14.579
happens.

644
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.299
I just thought, oh, okay, so we're not going to see how he gets

645
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.220
sort of press ganged in there.

646
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:25.440
But given that this is a 2 hander that spends a lot of time with

647
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.140
these 2 characters just talking.

648
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.099
I think that, you know, they just wanted to cut to the chase.

649
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.220
Now, this business here with the food is so shit.

650
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.980
So, so he gets the food.

651
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:44.519
Uh, um, Michael can't eat it properly because he's handcuffed and

652
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.500
he complains that it's not real food.

653
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.240
It's replicated.

654
00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:53.519
And, like, each of them have a bite and then they put the food

655
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.599
away and go.

656
00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:56.400
Oh, you mean the actual business of eating the food?

657
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.000
But I do like the fact that he's talking about the fact that he

658
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.079
invited him to dinner.

659
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:05.039
He's digging him all the time about how he ingratiated himself

660
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.119
with him at the station.

661
00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.059
And you had no idea I was playing you the whole time.

662
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.859
So here's my theory about Eddington, okay?

663
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:15.240
This is what I think about him.

664
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:20.519
I think he is a truly pathetic little man who just wants to be

665
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.000
this mythic heroic figure, you know?

666
00:31:24.059 --> 00:31:25.980
I think he's uncharismatic.

667
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.339
And I think Kenneth Marshall basically plays him that way.

668
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.839
I don't think it's a terrible performance.

669
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.039
I think he knows how to play it.

670
00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:37.259
And, you know, and he wants, he ingratiates himself onto the

671
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:41.400
station, into a position where suddenly he's revealed to be this

672
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.380
huge figure in the quadrant.

673
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.940
Yeah, even though he's been on the station, like mending APS

674
00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:52.019
conduits and clearing people off the promenade for...

675
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:55.859
Suddenly, he's like the arch rival of one of the most important

676
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:58.680
people. you know, he's he's got him, he's important.

677
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:03.299
He's being noticed and it all goes horribly wrong and the entire

678
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:06.180
Marquis are massacred because he's so bloody.

679
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.640
He's talking about growing tomatoes.

680
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:12.240
Like, he must have grown them in like just the couple of months

681
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:16.799
between, you know, for the uniform in this episode or whatever.

682
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:19.380
Like, it doesn't work.

683
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.619
It is what Deep Space 9 does, which is that every kind of big

684
00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:33.180
geopolitical entity is represented by one or at most 2 people in

685
00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:34.440
the semi-regular cars.

686
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.680
Oh, no, no. interesting.

687
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:39.240
Exactly right.

688
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:41.940
And so it's kind of like, oh, the McKee we just talked about.

689
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.299
You know, because we just get told they get massacred off screen

690
00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:48.180
and it, you know, doesn't have an impact.

691
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.319
Well, it doesn't have an impact unless there's someone in the cast

692
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.039
to feel it.

693
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.619
Blake 7, you know, we don't want to see it.

694
00:32:57.539 --> 00:33:02.279
But, um, uh, so we promote Michael Edington. what are we going to

695
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:02.640
do with him?

696
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:04.259
Oh, he'll be our McKee guy.

697
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.079
And like that's a reasonable thing for them to do.

698
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:12.720
But I think what's happening here is that Eddington is doing to

699
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.940
Cisco what Cisco did to Eddington in their last episode together.

700
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.319
And so he's playing the nihilist.

701
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:25.680
He's playing, you know, he doesn't really care.

702
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:29.940
He's, you know, he's going to kill Cisco, all of that sort of

703
00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:30.420
stuff.

704
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.599
And then the big twist is that he's saving people that this whole

705
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:41.160
mission is about, saving, you know, his wife and some other

706
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:41.579
people.

707
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.799
And so I like that.

708
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:48.119
Which allows him to be properly human and likeable as well.

709
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:48.900
Yeah.

710
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.019
But I still think he's a bit crap, you know?

711
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.359
And I think that's deliberate, you know?

712
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:55.140
Yeah.

713
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.779
This is what happens when our old man.

714
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.960
You know, thinks he's somebody important and wants to be somebody

715
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.740
important.

716
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.420
A lot of people end up dying.

717
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:04.380
Yeah.

718
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:05.339
Yeah.

719
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.659
But I do want to say, I think that Avery Brooks and Kenneth

720
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:11.280
Marshall have terrific chemistry.

721
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:14.519
I think they attack this dialogue with real zeal because this

722
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.340
could be very boring, but it's kind of pace dialogue, you know?

723
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.840
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:22.500
I mean, the whole thing is absolutely dependent on their

725
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:26.400
performances and it is just put these 2 guys in a set and have

726
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.440
them shout at one another for 20 minutes.

727
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:30.239
And it's just marvellous.

728
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.800
When people get under Cisco's skin.

729
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:33.659
I think that's some of the best scenes, you know.

730
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:38.099
And he's genuinely like he knows how to get under his skin, doesn't

731
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:38.280
he?

732
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:39.719
He's saying all the right things.

733
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

734
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.539
But this, you know, like, I'm happy to destroy all of the alpha

735
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.039
quadrant, whatever it's revenge.

736
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:47.880
I don't care.

737
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:51.719
And all of it is just made up because we find out that the

738
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.920
missiles aren't real.

739
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.599
He says that, is that what you want?

740
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.480
To be the man who brought about the worst war in federation

741
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:57.960
history.

742
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.619
And what I wanted him to say was, well, yeah, actually.

743
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.719
Then they'll remember me.

744
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.820
I'm not the little man anymore, you know.

745
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.860
And then once...

746
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:08.579
But actually, what he is?

747
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:09.900
an ordinary bloke, isn't he?

748
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.360
Yeah, but he's looking shifty here.

749
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.420
Hmm, what could be going on?

750
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.179
Oh, we go, back to the station.

751
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.340
That means we're going to get some knock action.

752
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:21.119
The B plot?

753
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:22.019
Time for the B plot.

754
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.820
We're going to Cork's bar now.

755
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.559
But you know what?

756
00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:27.719
I love the fuck is this?

757
00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:28.260
Come on.

758
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.940
They do it all the time.

759
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.400
It's so stupid.

760
00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:33.780
The North comes from...

761
00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:36.119
The North can throw darts into each other's chest.

762
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:40.079
I mean, they're pure they're pure comedy, aren't they?

763
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:40.860
They're pure comedy.

764
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.639
Well, yeah, yeah, which is why Discovery had to fix them.

765
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.699
Do you know what I love about Quarks bar, right?

766
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.239
As a setting is it's always got a bit of life about it.

767
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:52.320
You know?

768
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:55.079
Yeah, yeah, well they they have...

769
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.119
Jesus Christ, now they're doing it in the background.

770
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.000
They're like, dumb.

771
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.440
Can't you cut away from us?

772
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.639
We don't want to do this anymore.

773
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like smashing latex.

774
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.579
It's...

775
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:13.860
Sarah Lofton is very handsome, I have to say, is matured into a

776
00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:14.400
very handsome man.

777
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.619
Now that he's grown up.

778
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:17.940
He's very, very good looking.

779
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.320
He's very handsome there, you know.

780
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.599
Mind you off, he's Avery Brooks, he's incredibly handsome.

781
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.820
Oh my, no, Nogg's falling over.

782
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.420
That camera angle there.

783
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:28.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

784
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:33.659
But again, it's the absolute, it's the sitcom beats, you know, like

785
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:39.480
he goes to stand up to Martoc as Cisco has advised him and then

786
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.340
fucks it up spectacularly.

787
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.239
Fabulous CGI flames in the Badlands.

788
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:45.900
Yeah.

789
00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:48.900
But this is basically the 1st time they've been able to realise

790
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:52.380
this with any kind of integrity before this.

791
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.780
I mean, if you've seen before this is terrible.

792
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:56.219
Yeah, yeah.

793
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.539
Yeah, I think it looks okay.

794
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:02.460
And I mean, that's the Badlands are important to the launching a

795
00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:03.480
Voyager, aren't they?

796
00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:05.579
That's where Voyager disappears from.

797
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.000
But this scene changes the dynamic, doesn't it?

798
00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:12.599
Because this is Cisco now goading him to see if he genuinely has a

799
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:13.440
death wish or not.

800
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:14.340
And I like that.

801
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:16.199
And it just goes over and makes the coffee.

802
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:18.360
It goes, well, we can dive in, you know?

803
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.059
That's great.

804
00:37:21.179 --> 00:37:24.300
Yeah, it's actually 2 hand as well.

805
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.039
I have to say, like, there are a number of these in DS9's run, and

806
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.619
you really do get to know these characters.

807
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.699
You really do get to care about them.

808
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.019
But you do say, you know, a lot of 90s trek is talk, but when the

809
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:40.079
talk is as strong as this, I feel, I think that's a problem.

810
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:46.440
Yeah, I think that we could have had a bit more action.

811
00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:49.920
And certainly when we get down to the planet and we have action, it

812
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.000
is a bit shit.

813
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:54.119
Although there are some really good moments.

814
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.460
There are some pretty great moments which we'll point out.

815
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.659
There's one fabulous bit where he's trying to figure out in the

816
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:03.420
fog who to shoot from behind the barrel.

817
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:04.199
I love that bit.

818
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:06.119
Yeah, yeah, that is pretty funny.

819
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:09.599
You're thinking he might just go for Cisco anyway, you know?

820
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:11.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

821
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:15.000
And if he gets a funny line as well in response, we'll get there.

822
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:20.219
I love the captain being just so insouciant, though.

823
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:20.880
He's so great.

824
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:26.099
He is so chill. in a minute, where after he's been bashed around

825
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:29.880
in the Jeffrey's tube and he comes back in and Eddington has a

826
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.860
line and he goes, hmm.

827
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.719
Avery Brooke has never been camper and it's...

828
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.940
Oh, dude.

829
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:42.239
Sometimes, you know, when he's saying this Star Trek techno

830
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:42.599
babble.

831
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:44.699
I can see in his head, it's like, what's happened to my career?

832
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:52.679
I think when they give him like good, juicy drama, he just, he

833
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:53.820
really tears into it.

834
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.340
But when they give him Star Trek dialogue, it's like, oh, God.

835
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.800
Am I going to say this, Alan Moraine, really?

836
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:05.519
Yes, poor old Eddington dissipating the warp signature.

837
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:08.340
Oh, yeah, he goes, very fancy.

838
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.380
Oh, dear.

839
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.079
I was aware, you know, of the music in this episode.

840
00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.019
I was listening to music and yes, you're right.

841
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:20.340
It was a bit more papery.

842
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.599
Yeah, it was pretty boring.

843
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.679
All right.

844
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:26.880
Okay.

845
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:31.320
And there, I mean, there is some sort of bullshit macho cliche

846
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.380
dialogue, including the I'm going to kill you just before the ad

847
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:37.380
break, where, you know, like, hmm.

848
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.739
I find it weird is how they pace this because then they go into

849
00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:42.539
the break and then they just have a dialogue scene.

850
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.380
Well, they're going straight into him trying to, you know, stop

851
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:47.940
the Gemmedar from finding them.

852
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.780
They just have a chat.

853
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:49.739
I was like, huh?

854
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.420
And then it's like, oh, talking of something you forgot, you

855
00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:57.119
thought we'd lost, you know, it's like, oh, you've just remembered

856
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.019
that they're here, have you?

857
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.320
Okay.

858
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:04.800
Do you think this whole scene is just about, um, reminding us that

859
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.079
reminding us that Eddington's Canadian?

860
00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:07.619
Yes.

861
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:09.539
I don't know what the fuck is going on.

862
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.280
Like this goes literally nowhere and just we can't go from the ad

863
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:14.699
break.

864
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.860
Like a loonie ever being mentioned before.

865
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.900
Shut up. what's happening I really, really like the design of the

866
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:22.980
Gemhadar ships.

867
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.539
Yeah, they're cockroaches.

868
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.679
They're the bugs, aren't they?

869
00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:28.199
Yeah. when they come on masse, that looks great.

870
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.199
They're like the swarm, only not terrible.

871
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.039
We haven't had the DS9 equivalent of the boat Mart, yeah, have

872
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.280
we?

873
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:42.360
No, well, they get that out of the way in series one, I think.

874
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:44.159
Two, two, Series two.

875
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.300
Oh really?

876
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.199
We'll never do that again.

877
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:50.760
Co-angerhead.

878
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.280
So stupid.

879
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.539
The Cardassians stopped wearing them and the Beaumont picked them

880
00:40:57.539 --> 00:41:00.599
up in a secondhand sale or at a charity shop or something.

881
00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:05.340
But this isn't just like, obviously, this might feel like it's

882
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:08.699
just delaying us, getting to the planet, and, but actually, it is

883
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:11.579
bringing the Jem'Hadar into the story at this point.

884
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.239
Yeah, because that's important later on because we don't expect

885
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.039
them to be there and to have massacred. everybody.

886
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.719
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:21.960
But I mean, this is all sort of fairly standard.

888
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:24.719
You know, he has to repair something.

889
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.400
They've got this fractious relationship.

890
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:31.500
He has to kind of be vulnerable, you know, his life kind of

891
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:36.840
depends on Eddington keeping the ship working properly and

892
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.239
trusting Eddington with this plan.

893
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.820
It's very stock Star Trek, all of this, isn't it?

894
00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:42.719
Yeah, yeah.

895
00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:44.159
I think I think it kind of is.

896
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.880
It does allow Avery Brooks to get really angry and go, get us to

897
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.880
that large site, which always gives me a lot of blood every time.

898
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.139
Yeah, well absolutely.

899
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.059
This, the business with these fucking wires.

900
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:59.280
What's he got?

901
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.380
They've been playing about with these lit up wires now.

902
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.820
PNG season one.

903
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.860
It's so dangerous.

904
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.679
I've got to do the impulse flow regulator.

905
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:12.000
He opens a panel and then just unplug some wise and plugs them

906
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.079
into something else.

907
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.679
Excuse me, they spot...

908
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:19.260
I thought this was the most sophisticated technology you could get

909
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:19.679
right?

910
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.280
Just getting plugging it in.

911
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:27.059
Do you know what?

912
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.760
Do you know what's the most hilarious example of this?

913
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:32.699
Do you remember one little ship where they were shrunk down to the

914
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:33.360
size of an inch?

915
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.679
Oh really?

916
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:39.900
And O'Brien and Bashir have to beam into a thing and literally do

917
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:42.960
this, but with massive ones, they have to pick up these massive

918
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.539
wires and plug them in.

919
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.400
At least them aware that the plugging wires into things is

920
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:50.880
ridiculous.

921
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:53.099
Oh, I do like this.

922
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:53.460
Look at this.

923
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

924
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:55.500
That's pretty great.

925
00:42:56.099 --> 00:43:00.000
We could afford a 32nd...

926
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.719
They do a wonderful in series 7 where they figured out how to do

927
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.519
CGI inexpensively.

928
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:11.039
They do a wonderful sequence where they set fire to a sun and a

929
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.440
massive wave comes out and destroys a whole shipyard.

930
00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:16.139
Cool. very cool.

931
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:17.639
Well, I thought that was pretty great.

932
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:18.539
That was pretty great.

933
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.219
Oh here we go.

934
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.199
Oh, look, there was a tiny bit of handheld camera work there, did

935
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:25.559
you notice?

936
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:26.460
Only for a second.

937
00:43:27.300 --> 00:43:30.659
Ah, I love sister.

938
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.760
Do you know what?

939
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:38.039
The more we're revisiting DS9, the more I'm appreciating Avery

940
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:38.460
Brooks.

941
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:39.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

942
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:40.199
Yeah.

943
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:42.900
I think he gets a bit of a bad rap.

944
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.019
But I think it's unjustified a little bit.

945
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.059
Yeah, no, I think it's unjustified. he's superb.

946
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:48.960
Oh, this is great.

947
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.800
This is hilarious because they absolutely are in Jake and Nog's

948
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.559
spot on the promenade trying to bait him, aren't they?

949
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:56.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:43:56.460 --> 00:44:01.260
But, but also this sitcom dialogue about Jake bringing someone

951
00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:07.260
home and, you know, if I put the note on the door, that means I'm

952
00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:10.320
you know, boning someone so don't come in.

953
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:14.639
It's hilariously cute.

954
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:18.539
They are marvellous together, aren't they, Jake?

955
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.139
Oh, they are.

956
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.219
And it's a relationship that has so much depth because we've

957
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:24.599
watched them grow up, you know?

958
00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:25.920
Yeah, yeah.

959
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:29.639
When they were just both little kids, particularly strip loft and

960
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.719
minuscule.

961
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:36.960
With a girl on that double date and Nog says to his girl, oh, can

962
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.980
you chew my food, please?

963
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:39.960
I love that one.

964
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:40.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

965
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.780
And they both end up in a holding cell.

966
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.559
It's brilliant I used to love their hijinks in series one to three

967
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:46.800
you know.

968
00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:52.260
I have to say that one of the things I don't like about this plot

969
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:57.059
though, is like, it just makes Deep Chase 9 seem like, what, you

970
00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:58.619
can't even stand around talking.

971
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.300
Like, you're like, what is it?

972
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:02.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

973
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.420
You can't go. you can't make noise in a bar, you can't stand

974
00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:11.820
around talking and we've got, you know, the cop, nog enforcing

975
00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:12.719
these dumb rules.

976
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:14.400
It's so shit.

977
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:17.159
Look how this just, literally, the plot has ended here with him

978
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.860
just going, you know, you're a very brave, a very stupid

979
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:20.760
Ferengue.

980
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:24.659
And then in the next 2nd he's like, ah,ha. courage comes in all

981
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:26.039
sizes and that's it.

982
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.300
That's the end of the problem.

983
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.800
But I like it in a way, and it's a little bit like what happens in

984
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.139
House of Quark in minuscule.

985
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:39.840
He doesn't, he doesn't do the, you know, physically threatening, uh

986
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.820
Martoc, because he can't.

987
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:46.380
And so what he does is a comedy Ferengi line, which Martok

988
00:45:46.380 --> 00:45:47.159
appreciates.

989
00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:50.820
And so he deals with the situation in a way that's consistent with

990
00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:51.659
his character.

991
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.440
And, you know, it's funny and silly and self-deprecating.

992
00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:56.400
It's good.

993
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:57.179
It's great.

994
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.460
It just shows you how disposable the whole plot was.

995
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.039
Yeah, in 2 lines, it's over, you know?

996
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:02.880
Yeah.

997
00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:05.699
And it follows the beats that you expect it to follow.

998
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.679
But it, like, I think that it breaks this up in a way.

999
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:13.920
I think the episode would be poorer without it because it's fun.

1000
00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:14.519
Yeah, for sure.

1001
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.860
Oh, at least be too serious.

1002
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1003
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:22.679
Do you know, so when they beam down now to this planet, which

1004
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.159
apparently, you know, they pumped full of smoke and mist and the

1005
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.219
actors had a very unpleasant time because it was all getting in

1006
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:29.940
their eyes all the time.

1007
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.039
You keep referring to stock cave set number 59 or whatever.

1008
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:38.400
There's only one of those stock cave sets.

1009
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:40.500
It's always stock cave set number one.

1010
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.219
It's the same fucking cave. every single time.

1011
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:46.079
That's very true.

1012
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:47.460
Excuse me.

1013
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.960
It's a very low effort planet.

1014
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:52.500
So this is where you know that this is exactly the same set.

1015
00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:55.019
Now, I know this because I've done a bit of research, but it's

1016
00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:57.900
exactly the same set as Children of Time, which was the last

1017
00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:01.199
episode where they went down to a planet and it was a colony on

1018
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.599
the planet of the Defiance cruise descendants.

1019
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:04.260
Yes.

1020
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:06.059
Fabulous episode.

1021
00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:06.659
Fantastic.

1022
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.199
In fact, this episode is in the disadvantageous position of coming

1023
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:11.880
after that, which is so strong.

1024
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:15.420
But you know it's the same set redressed because they've got the

1025
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:18.119
same well that they had in the Children of Time episode.

1026
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:19.800
They also had a well in that one too.

1027
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:24.960
Ah, but I do like the Jemhadar backlit and it's all misty.

1028
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.460
They are a great silhouette.

1029
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:30.659
Yeah, they really do and they're really sort of...

1030
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.340
It's a bit of firefighting going.

1031
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.380
It's a bit more dynamic than what we had in descent.

1032
00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:35.820
No, that is true.

1033
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.320
And don't you know what they're going?

1034
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:41.460
Rather than just a standard Federation line.

1035
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:42.659
Beam thing.

1036
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.599
I like the fact that he's got a machine gun, basically.

1037
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.260
It is a machine and the fact that it has an anti-coagulant in it.

1038
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.380
So if you get shot, you cannot staunch the bleeding.

1039
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.659
I like that Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

1040
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:00.360
That's pretty cool Yeah, yeah, because that's when...

1041
00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:03.900
I'll be the one holding the pipe That's so funny.

1042
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.980
That is so funny.

1043
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.480
Too Gematar with a pipe.

1044
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:07.380
That's brilliant plan.

1045
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.699
Yeah, I think it's really good.

1046
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.719
I think it's properly good.

1047
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.619
And I think this is well shot as well because you can't quite see

1048
00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:15.420
who is who.

1049
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.820
So we are kind kind of see.

1050
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.019
No, I don't, no. because because the Jemadar is so much bigger

1051
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:22.860
than Avery.

1052
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.420
Oh, he's a big man. because the silhouette is really obvious.

1053
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:28.380
No, but it needs to be.

1054
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.780
We need to be able to read what's happening.

1055
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.320
We're not sure which way Eddington's going to go anyway because of

1056
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.519
their relationships.

1057
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.260
Well, I think that we do.

1058
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.099
I mean, there's a, but there's a moment's thought where I'm like

1059
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:41.460
hmm.

1060
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1061
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.059
No, I don't think I don't think so.

1062
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.840
But there is that sort of comedy line at the end where Eddington

1063
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.320
just says I was going to shoot whoever was left standing because I

1064
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.639
knew that the gem Hadar would beat the shit out of you, which

1065
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.280
isn't quite what he says, but that's basically what he means.

1066
00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:03.179
I know I know this is fairly, it's fairly drab in terms of colour

1067
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:03.539
right?

1068
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.619
But if they didn't pump in all the smoke and have it kind of all

1069
00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:10.800
in shadow and things like this, it would be a really boring set.

1070
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.440
Whereas I think it's a bit more interesting for it.

1071
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:13.980
Yeah, yeah.

1072
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.539
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1073
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.960
Down the whale with the Gemadar.

1074
00:49:19.019 --> 00:49:19.440
There we go.

1075
00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:23.039
This scene in a second.

1076
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:30.420
It does exemplify sort of how dark DS9 is willing to go at times

1077
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:33.000
where they find all the bodies of the marquee.

1078
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:36.420
And it's people that Eddington recognises as well.

1079
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.079
Yeah.

1080
00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:37.980
Yeah.

1081
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:45.360
I was actually a bit surprised, like I was I was quite shocked by

1082
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:45.780
it.

1083
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.719
I don't think that's a bad thing always.

1084
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:53.159
I think sometimes you TV needs to hit you in the face, you know?

1085
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1086
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:58.559
Like, I think I think it's pretty good.

1087
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:03.179
And what's interesting is, of course, the way they do it, where we

1088
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:09.480
find one person whom he recognises, and then we go a bit further

1089
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.880
and then there's an entire corridor of people.

1090
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:14.039
Doctor Who episode where there's a load of dummies.

1091
00:50:14.099 --> 00:50:15.840
They've actually filled it full of people, you know.

1092
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:18.539
Well, or more convincing dummies, possibly.

1093
00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:25.800
But I will say, like, even though even though it can kind of

1094
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:27.719
admire itself in cliche sometimes.

1095
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:33.300
DSI does, I think, have the ability to shock more than the other

1096
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:34.260
90s shows.

1097
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.340
And it will push the horror a bit more, you know.

1098
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah, and it doesn't like it doesn't rub your nose in it.

1099
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:45.300
There's no sort of particular detail or anything like that.

1100
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.559
It's.

1101
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:51.179
But you know, it's the idea that these kind of idealists, they're

1102
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:54.599
all just like dead in a corridor, like they're not buried or

1103
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.320
anything, you know?

1104
00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.380
They're not ejected into a pod into space or whatever they do in

1105
00:50:58.380 --> 00:50:59.039
Star Trek.

1106
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.440
They're just like left out like litter.

1107
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.000
It's grizzly.

1108
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:04.980
And think about it too.

1109
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:09.480
Eddington will later say that he expected to find his wife among

1110
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:10.019
them.

1111
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.920
And we don't know this at the moment, but this is a rescue

1112
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:14.460
mission.

1113
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:19.260
So Eddington knew these people were here and he arrives and

1114
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:24.000
there's a whole heap of dead people and he doesn't know that.

1115
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:29.159
He doesn't know at this point whether all of the people that he

1116
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.880
came to rescue are dead and he's kind of surprised when he sees

1117
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:33.840
some of them alive.

1118
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.460
I did like that exchange there, where Edington is literally like, I

1119
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:39.239
failed them all.

1120
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:42.119
I think he knows he's a little man who tried to play big and got

1121
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:42.659
it a bit wrong.

1122
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.480
And then Cisco said that actually maybe we all failed them.

1123
00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:48.119
Yes, we allowed this to happen.

1124
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:49.440
Yeah.

1125
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.719
And I think that it would have been interesting to follow that up

1126
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:59.400
because I do think the idea that the Makia are a valid moral

1127
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:04.260
choice, like belonging to the McKee is consistent.

1128
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:05.159
That shot.

1129
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:09.000
That's so great where he just machine guns all the invisible.

1130
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.119
And he goes, yeah, that's right.

1131
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:17.340
Thank goodness you remembered they can do that.

1132
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.159
I'm sorry, just reminds me of how fabulous the Jem'adar are, you

1133
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:23.340
know?

1134
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.619
They've got their invisibility. got their machine guns.

1135
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.659
Yeah, they've got a drug habit.

1136
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.039
Mitch with a drug habit.

1137
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:29.579
Yeah, yeah.

1138
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.440
And not like the bone bar, are they?

1139
00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:39.000
And look, this is a lot of very grimy people from the McKee who

1140
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.199
desperately need a bar.

1141
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:41.159
Oh, she's very pretty.

1142
00:52:41.219 --> 00:52:43.440
She's beautiful, isn't she?

1143
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:46.260
I love the fact that she's got the most sayable name in all of

1144
00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:48.659
Star Trek because everyone just starts going, Rebecca.

1145
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:49.860
Rebecca.

1146
00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:50.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1147
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.199
No, Rebecca, quick.

1148
00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.139
And then when Eddington dies, he goes, honey.

1149
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:56.219
Rebecca.

1150
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:59.460
Such shit.

1151
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:02.820
But she is, she's good.

1152
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.840
She's properly good.

1153
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:09.059
I would absolutely go for a McKee led by Rebecca in upcoming

1154
00:53:09.059 --> 00:53:09.420
episodes.

1155
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.719
Although there's a wonderful bit where we cut to the runabout and

1156
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.320
it pans across Cisco, to Rebecca, and she's given him the evil

1157
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:16.619
eye.

1158
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:17.940
You remember that?

1159
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.420
She has had a wash, I think, in between this scene and that one as

1160
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:24.239
well, but we'll just check on that when it happens.

1161
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:30.360
And this, I actually think Cisco comes off as a prick here.

1162
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:32.880
Well, Cisco comes off as a prick a lot.

1163
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:33.659
That's what I like.

1164
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:35.460
He's a bit flawed, Cisco.

1165
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:41.639
But the punching, the punching him in the face is, I guess he's

1166
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.260
doing it because he's so worried.

1167
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.019
Yeah, you know, like he keeps fooling him.

1168
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.940
Yeah, that smile. that is good news smack you in the face.

1169
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1170
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.179
Oh, naked he's so hot, honestly.

1171
00:53:54.179 --> 00:53:54.960
He's really good.

1172
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:55.860
Whoa hoo.

1173
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.860
I'd let him hit me in the face.

1174
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:05.579
And so it's clearly about him being kind of terrified for the last

1175
00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:09.059
day or 2 about the upcoming war.

1176
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:13.199
It's that thing that DS9 does a lot as well, where they really

1177
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.420
like fucking annoy each other.

1178
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.960
Yeah, and it's a bit like Odo and Quark, and it's a bit like, I

1179
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.960
don't know, Garak, and anyone who's in a scene with Garak, is they

1180
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.079
really irritate each other, but they kind of respect each other as

1181
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:25.980
well. you know?

1182
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.500
Well, I mean, because this is a rescue mission.

1183
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:33.659
This is exactly because they were never going to set off a giant

1184
00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:37.860
missile thing to attack Cardassia, that it was just about rescuing

1185
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:39.420
a group of people.

1186
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.179
And so all of that macho act that Eddington was doing was all

1187
00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:51.000
playing Cisco in exactly the same way as Cisco played him in the

1188
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:51.599
previous story.

1189
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:54.000
Which is kind of nice, isn't he?

1190
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:55.199
I think that's a nice reversal.

1191
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:58.980
And I realise the fact that they've gone from Cisco, like forcing

1192
00:54:58.980 --> 00:55:03.059
him to help them to the 2 of them working together now. you know

1193
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:07.619
at the end of his life. they're working together and just for a

1194
00:55:07.619 --> 00:55:08.519
very humane reason.

1195
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:10.679
Yeah, I think that's it.

1196
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.320
That's what's really properly Star Trek-y about that.

1197
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.780
It's not about defusing a bomb.

1198
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.880
It's about rescuing people.

1199
00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:21.780
I have to say, though, that this Jesus Christ.

1200
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.440
Shooting behind the barrels.

1201
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.599
No, no, no, that's all fine.

1202
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:30.900
And then the kiss and then she goes and whatever. love all this.

1203
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.099
Make it as melodrama.

1204
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:33.059
It's like a war movie.

1205
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.679
It is really... but they've set up Eddington as this man who wants

1206
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.840
to be this incredible hero.

1207
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:41.699
And then it gets to be.

1208
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:42.179
Yeah.

1209
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:43.980
He gets the ending that he wanted.

1210
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:48.059
Jesus Christ, he's about to say, no, leave me.

1211
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:49.980
I'll only slow you down.

1212
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:56.699
He has been practising these cliches. his entire life.

1213
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.340
He's got them all on standpoint.

1214
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.159
I'd only slow you down.

1215
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.380
Get Rebecca to safety. yourself.

1216
00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:09.300
And then he's what, does anyone know a good song?

1217
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:10.980
something catchy.

1218
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:13.019
Jesus Christ.

1219
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:15.000
Rebecca.

1220
00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:18.780
Oh, he's not coming.

1221
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.699
Jesus Christ.

1222
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.260
I love it.

1223
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:30.300
But this is, come on, this is exactly how he wants to go in it.

1224
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1225
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:32.519
Yeah.

1226
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.139
In a blaze of glory.

1227
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.219
Yeah.

1228
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.159
And there's no way that these riders aren't aware that they're

1229
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.199
just trotting out these cliches at this point.

1230
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:44.699
It is absolutely just he gets the standard heroic death.

1231
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.360
There is something about these guns, you know, that make these

1232
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.139
sequences a bit more dino. the fact that every time the bolt hits

1233
00:56:52.139 --> 00:56:53.639
it's like a big explosion.

1234
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:54.960
It's a practical explosion.

1235
00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:55.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1236
00:56:55.739 --> 00:56:56.400
Yeah, absolutely.

1237
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.760
Oh, yeah, maybe.

1238
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.760
And they really, they probably shoot him about 5 times, don't

1239
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:02.940
they?

1240
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1241
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:06.119
And you've got to think there's all that anti-coagulant in there

1242
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.380
so you can have just bleeding to death now.

1243
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:08.340
Just bleeding.

1244
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.420
Yeah, straight away.

1245
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:10.260
Another corpse.

1246
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:11.280
Yep.

1247
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:13.500
But then to be honest, to the collection.

1248
00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:14.820
I mean, he had to chip out of this.

1249
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.139
What else could they do with him after this?

1250
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.539
you know, I think I think I think they've used, you know, his

1251
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:19.139
worth now.

1252
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.000
Yeah, look, look.

1253
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:24.119
Rebecca's had a wash, Rebecca's and put some more makeup on.

1254
00:57:24.179 --> 00:57:24.900
She's looking great.

1255
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.619
Bring in Ira Bear again at this point because he's always got

1256
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:32.940
interesting things to say and he basically insisted. that this

1257
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:34.320
plot was brought to an end.

1258
00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:35.639
And do you know what he wanted to do?

1259
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:37.260
He wanted to murder all of them.

1260
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.699
He didn't want to edit them to somebody.

1261
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.039
He wanted them to come along and they would all be massacred and

1262
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:42.840
there was no way this plot could continue.

1263
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.760
But Rick Berman was like, no, there are marquee people.

1264
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:51.239
We need to just give a little bit of hope that there are pockets

1265
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.539
of resistance out there still. because if they come back to the

1266
00:57:54.539 --> 00:57:57.420
alpha quadrant, which, you know, was never going to happen, but

1267
00:57:57.420 --> 00:57:58.920
they can pick up that thread.

1268
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:05.280
And there's the there's the final scene of the B plot where it's

1269
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:09.300
just just like even just the slightest respect, you know, it is

1270
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:13.679
just cadet general and that's it and that's our victory at the end

1271
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:14.940
of that plot, which is great.

1272
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.340
And then this Jesus Christ.

1273
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.360
Now we have Dax explaining the significance of that incredibly

1274
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.539
cliche scene that we've all seen 1000000 times ago.

1275
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:29.159
This scene is here because it mirrors a scene at the end of for

1276
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:29.940
the uniform.

1277
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.139
And I think it's done a lot better for the uniform because she

1278
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:36.840
goes, you know, you didn't clear any of this for Starfleet, did

1279
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:37.019
you?

1280
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.840
And he's like, well, you know, and she goes, you liked a bit.

1281
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:42.840
So he goes, well, sometimes you just got to be a good villain and

1282
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.900
Dax goes, well, sometimes I like it when the bad guy wins.

1283
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:47.940
And it's a great ending to that episode.

1284
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.639
Whereas this is all a bit self-explanatory, you know.

1285
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:51.719
Yeah, I think so.

1286
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.619
But this, you know, I think this was forced upon them by Rick

1287
00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:58.199
Berman, that they had to have this line about, Oh, maybe there's

1288
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.619
some of them out there somewhere, you know, biding their time.

1289
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.559
I don't think that's the wrong choice.

1290
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.239
I think having Eddington arrive and they're all dead would have

1291
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.860
just been so miserable and I just kind of think, let's, you know

1292
00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:16.260
let's not do that.

1293
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:17.639
I think it's the right call.

1294
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:23.039
Once, I'll go with the Star Trek ideal and I will silence the

1295
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.760
cynic in me.

1296
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:28.860
No, and I think, you know, just because of the special position

1297
00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:34.739
the marquis have that they're right in some ways and they stand as

1298
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:37.320
a critique of the federation.

1299
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:42.780
And so wiping them out is kind of invalidating their position.

1300
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.420
And it was, oh, you know, we'll wipe them a key out.

1301
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.059
They all fucking hippies or whatever and they're tomatoes and

1302
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:48.300
stuff.

1303
00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:51.239
Like, I just, like, I think that's a bad call.

1304
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:56.340
But I do understand why they felt the need to, they've got a lot

1305
00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:57.719
of running stories at this point.

1306
00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:00.599
And that, you know, he's going, look, we cannot juggle

1307
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:00.960
everything.

1308
01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:03.780
If we're going to, if we're going to do the Dominion war, we need

1309
01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:06.659
to bring some, you know, we need to, yeah, get some of our cards

1310
01:00:06.659 --> 01:00:07.260
in order.

1311
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.500
And also to create something that, To indicate that they're happy

1312
01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:17.880
to shake up the kind of status quo in the alpha quadrant.

1313
01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:20.460
And they've already done that in series 4 with the war with the

1314
01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:21.300
Klingons.

1315
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.380
You know, we've got this war impending throughout series 5.

1316
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.760
And you have the Dominion come and immediately wipe out one of the

1317
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.000
major players in the quadrant.

1318
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.559
I think is the right move.

1319
01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:38.880
It's like the comedy scene with Quark in this episode.

1320
01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:41.880
It's all about making the war real.

1321
01:00:41.940 --> 01:00:44.460
You know what's about to change, don't you?

1322
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:49.199
Is that as we go into series 6 and they bring in, you know, the

1323
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:54.360
new CGI company, we would actually see those kind of massive

1324
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:55.739
sweeping changes.

1325
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:58.679
We would see the battles and the, you know, the ships.

1326
01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:01.980
It's all offscreen, which is all a bit strange and a bit cheap.

1327
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:04.380
Yeah, well, that's that's why.

1328
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:09.300
But it does cut to the emotional beats of it of seeing all the

1329
01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:11.940
corpses and I think perhaps that's a bit more important than

1330
01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:13.440
seeing a load of spaceships blowing up.

1331
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:18.900
I want to do say, I want to say about Blaze of Glory is that it is

1332
01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:23.579
one of, I would say, I want to say it's one of the lesser episodes

1333
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:26.639
of season five, but it's not one of the strongest.

1334
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:31.920
For me, I think season 5 of DS9 is the strongest Star Trek season

1335
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.059
of all.

1336
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:37.440
And I think the hit rate in season 5 is extraordinarily good.

1337
01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:40.559
It is on fire with its characterisations with its running plots

1338
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:42.719
and how it looks as well.

1339
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.820
There's a lot of really good productions in Sirius 5.

1340
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.840
The fact that this isn't one of the stronger episodes and yet it

1341
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:53.340
has some powerhouse acting, some really good dialogue, some great

1342
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:54.179
twists and turns.

1343
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.440
It's a reasonable action, and a funny B plot, and this isn't one

1344
01:01:58.440 --> 01:01:59.760
of the better episodes of the season.

1345
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:03.059
I think that just goes to show how high the bar is at this point.

1346
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.480
All right, it's time for us to choose our next Star Trek episode.

1347
01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:18.300
And so Joe is on Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser

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01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:19.260
as we speak.

1349
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.960
What series are we choosing from this week?

1350
01:02:22.019 --> 01:02:24.179
It's the highlight of the week.

1351
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.219
Oh, actually, it's the highlight of the Fortnite because I only

1352
01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:27.599
get to press it once every 2 weeks.

1353
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:32.940
Today, Nathan, I'm going to be selecting from the entire Star Trek

1354
01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:33.420
franchise.

1355
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.800
Ooh.

1356
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:38.159
But as we have mentioned before, this does rather swing in the

1357
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.079
favour of 199...

1358
01:02:40.139 --> 01:02:41.039
Yeah, that's right.

1359
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:43.380
All right, okay, I'm with you.

1360
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.179
How about you press the button?

1361
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:46.619
Here I go.

1362
01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:48.480
Oh my god.

1363
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:50.099
Oh my god.

1364
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:51.599
It's sub-rosa.

1365
01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:52.739
What is it?

1366
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.920
It is...

1367
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.019
Jesus Christ, it is...

1368
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.260
Okay, well, we're done.

1369
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:01.739
All right.

1370
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.300
We'll see you next week for some.

1371
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.739
Well, I think we have to do it.

1372
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:05.940
Oh, we have to do it.

1373
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:06.960
It could never come up again.

1374
01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:08.519
What happens if it never comes up again?

1375
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:12.960
We have to do some roses. possibly say that and that's what it

1376
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:13.139
is.

1377
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:15.900
Of the entire franchise.

1378
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.840
I always guess that it's subrose.

1379
01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:23.039
I could have snuck in and like tinkered with the JavaScript and

1380
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.400
made it be subrose. you do that?

1381
01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:27.000
Is that possible?

1382
01:03:27.059 --> 01:03:28.019
Yeah, of course I can.

1383
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.280
Yeah, I can do anything.

1384
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.260
But it is completely random.

1385
01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:33.719
God, Planet of the Scottish people.

1386
01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:34.320
Is it Irish?

1387
01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:35.219
Scottish?

1388
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:36.360
No, Scottish, isn't it?

1389
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:39.239
It's Beverly Crusher.

1390
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:41.099
There's a ghost in this host.

1391
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:45.179
Yeah, we're going to do that shitty Scottish accent for the entire

1392
01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:46.619
episode as well.

1393
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:52.380
It's a sequence where Beverly Crusher and Troy are in those

1394
01:03:52.380 --> 01:03:56.519
incredible leotards talking about Beverly's erotic dreams.

1395
01:03:56.579 --> 01:04:01.619
It's the most masculine feminine dialogue. in your life.

1396
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:02.760
Holy crap.

1397
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:06.420
It makes my boobs firm up just listening to it.

1398
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:10.260
The sequence where...

1399
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:11.519
Actually, you know what?

1400
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.280
By all accounts, the women, because this is a Brandon Bragger

1401
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:15.179
script, of course.

1402
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:19.920
The women on the production team were going after Brandon Bragger

1403
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.199
and saying, what an amazing script.

1404
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:25.139
You know, you've really, you've really got into the head of a

1405
01:04:25.139 --> 01:04:25.559
woman there.

1406
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.559
As if all they want to do, you know, fuck a ghost.

1407
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:31.679
Yeah. amazing.

1408
01:04:31.739 --> 01:04:35.280
And it does give us the one opportunity we're going to have in the

1409
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.940
run of TNG to see Gates McFame having an orgasm.

1410
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.340
Yep, onscreen orgasm for gates.

1411
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:41.820
Absolutely.

1412
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:42.840
And the car walks in.

1413
01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:44.940
Yeah, that always happens.

1414
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.280
Your boss walks in just while you're out.

1415
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:48.360
It's embarrassing, isn't it?

1416
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:49.380
Yeah, terrible.

1417
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:50.639
Amazing.

1418
01:04:50.699 --> 01:04:51.179
Well, I am.

1419
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:52.019
I am.

1420
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:56.519
If it's, do you watch Sub Rosa in the next week?

1421
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:57.960
Brilliant.

1422
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.679
Oh my god.

1423
01:05:07.739 --> 01:05:11.400
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1424
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.019
and Nathan Bottomley.

1425
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.380
You can find us online at untitledstar trekroject.com, where you

1426
01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:19.019
can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1427
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.039
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1428
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:24.840
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1429
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:29.219
This episode was recorded on the 30th of March 2022 and released

1430
01:05:29.219 --> 01:05:30.599
on the 8th of April.

1431
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:34.860
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the Next Generation, Sub

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01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:35.880
Rosa.