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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So today we're back on Star Trek Prodigy, which I guess is what, the most recent new Star Trek series at the time we record, and we are watching episode, I want to say eight.

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Am I wrong?

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It is episode eight, the rather cheekily titled Time Amok.

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They do riff on classic Star Trek episode titles a bit.

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If they take the bloody piss, they do.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So we've had Kobi Ashi.

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There's 1st contact with a hyphen.

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Unification number three.

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Oh, well, that's Discovery.

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That's brilliant.

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Yeah, no, no, but it's Kurtzman Tregg.

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I think it's Kurtzman Trek, but...

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They, they, they stir the pot a little bit, you know.

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Yeah.

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Well, this is a show that kind of introduces the Star Trek legacy to kids.

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And the last time we did an episode, we did episode three, so that was the 1st regular episode.

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And I think that that was one of the things that we were charmed by, you know, that the kids in the show are being introduced to Star Trek at the same time as the audience are being introduced to it.

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I mean, this is the 1st time it's being done specifically, isn't it?

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I mean, I would say like kids could happily watch TOS and early TNG as well.

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And, you know, there's nothing incredibly complicated going on with either of them, but this is the 1st time a show has been designed for children.

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Although weirdly enough, I think this is more mature than early TNG and a lot of TOS as well.

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It's often the way, you know, when they write for kids, they write up.

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And when they're writing for adults, they write down, you know, it's...

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I think writing up is exactly what's happening here and we'll talk about that when we get into it.

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But I think it's very, very explicitly, being a little bit more complex than you might expect from a kid show.

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Yeah, for sure.

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There's 2 things I want to talk about before we go in, if that's all right.

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First thing is watching this, this felt so explicitly 90s trek to me this episode.

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And I think this is the show.

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This is the Kurtzman show.

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Well, apart from lower decks, which is obviously set during during that period, into that kind of adventures on a spaceship, you know.

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Discovery is doing something a bit more mature.

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Picard's, I'm thinking of that as like the darker side of the trek universe.

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Jesus Christ.

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That 2nd episode this year when they went off, went off into a Nazi world with Picardo, the dictator.

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So good.

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Actually, do you know what?

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The 2nd series of Picard so far has been extraordinarily good.

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Like fan wank on a level you cannot believe.

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So exciting. but brilliant.

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And I really appreciate that about this.

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Because, you know me, I love 90s trick.

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However, for the same reasons, I am going to complain about this particular episode because I think it is mired in 90s trick cliches and it is really beyond the character stuff doing much that's ambitious with those ideas.

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So where does this rank for you in like all of the Kurzman treks?

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It's not a must see for me in the way that Picard and Discovery have been.

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So I will watch those, you know, within a day or so of a new episode coming out.

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I've watched all of Discovery season 4 at this and I will be avidly watching Picard.

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So it's, yeah, it's not must see TV in quite the same way, and I still haven't seen the finale, but I've seen all the episodes leading up to this, and I like it.

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I think it's really charming and I think it does a good job of introducing Star Trek to a new audience.

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And it's visually stunning, like Kurtzman Trek always is.

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And I think the characters are incredibly likeable.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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Like, obviously, we watched episode 3 last time. didn't we?

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This is episode eight.

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And I haven't watched any of the ones in between and clearly a lot of stuff has gone down because they talk about it in this episode. the shit hit the fan last week by all accounts and we're feeling the fallout in this episode.

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So this is actually more serialised than I thought it was going to be.

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Yeah, in fact, I think episodes 4 and 5 are basically one story, even though they have different titles, but there is often a reveal or something at the end of an episode to kind of bring you back the following week and they do refer to things that happened in previous weeks.

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So I kind of like that because one of the things about a kid's show is, you know, the kind of kid who's going to get into Star Trek, I think, is going to be the kind of person who learns and really, really becomes familiar with the story of an entire season.

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I think those serialised elements really draw you in and this is their Star Trek.

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This is Star Trek for a new generation of kids.

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And so there's things to know about it and we kind of appreciate that as well, you know, knowing details of the story or details of the ship or relationships between characters and stuff.

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And this show wisely decides not to erase those at the end of the episode and then start completely afresh the following week.

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I think it's a good idea.

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I think it's very telling that something you just said there, and that is, in order for Star Trek to continue, you need to bring in the next generation of like the viewing audience, you know, so the fact that they're doing this, I think it's a really smart move because I don't know, you know, young kids can't watch Discovery and Picard, you know?

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They say fuck.

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There's a lot of violence in it and things like that, you know, it is that would be far too much, I think.

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Whereas here, we're ensuring that kids that are like 4 and 5 now.

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And, you know, that sort of age.

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I have a Star Trek.

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Yeah.

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And also 90 Star Trek is a bit talky and a bit old-fashioned looking, I think, for...

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Yeah, you have mentioned that a few times, yeah.

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You know, but this introduces elements of 90s trek over and over again.

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We have Kobayashi, an episode that's set on the Enterprise Bridge with like Odo and Ahura, which is...

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It looks amazing.

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Isn't Beverly Crusher in there as well?

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Beverly Crushes there.

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Yeah.

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So it is introducing Star Trek to a new generation.

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You can imagine a kid learning that there's an episode of original Star Trek called A Muck Time.

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And they would go, wait, you know, that's just like time amok, this episode we're now about to watch.

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I might say something as a complete side note from both prodigy and this episode.

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I'm going to be really indulgent.

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It's to recommend something to any Star Trek fan and that is the Gates McFadden investigates podcast, which I discovered this week and gobbled up.

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There's only about 13 episodes on there at the moment.

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I'm not sure what she's doing anymore.

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But essentially what it is, is Star Trek actors coming on and talking about their lives.

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They don't talk about Star Trek at all.

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So it's people like Nanar Visitor, Brent Spiner, Robert Picardo, and they're talking about their families, their careers, their aspirations.

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If you're the sort of person that kind of likes the autobiographical side of the shows.

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Check this out.

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It is absolutely gripping.

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I've listened to every single episode in a week.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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And I will be dropping trivia.

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As those actors appear, I will be I've learned so much about those actors.

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Um, yeah.

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So check out Gates, my family investigates.

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It's well worth a listen.

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And she is a fantastic interviewer.

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Like very personable, huge, like massively likeable and just has a way of sharing the personal experiences of somebody's life in a way where the interviewer and the person being interviewed bond.

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It's really lovely.

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Well, I look forward to you being a bit less mean about her in future.

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Oh, she's a dreadful actress.

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Oh, she's awful.

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What a robot.

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She has got a very good podcast.

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All right.

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Should we get going?

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Sorry, gates.

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Sorry.

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You don't listen to this.

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She'll never hear this.

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No.

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Next season, she'll be like, no, I've been listening to this.

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I'm titled Star Trek project.

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That's right. horrible people.

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I am not a robot, okay?

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All right.

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All right.

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I'm going to count us in.

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I'm ready Okay.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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One of these days.

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I'll do the countdown, you know, everyone will get a terrible shock.

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This is a Nickelodeon production.

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It hasn't even hit Nickelodeon yet, I don't think, this show.

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Oh, okay, maybe it's just on Paramount+. don't know.

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God, these titles are so good.

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And the music as well.

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It's like...

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Yeah, it's really great.

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It's really, and you know what?

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I've only heard it a couple of times.

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I couldn't tell you what the discovery theme is, even though I know it's good, but I love the discovery.

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This is very memorable.

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It's very kind of we're off on an adventure, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, it's got a sort of 90s thing.

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This is like, uh, this is a bit like the Voyager Tardis.

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We must have said this last time only a lot better, I guess.

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Well, and I love that bit there where the bit where it's Murph and it bounces off what looks like liquid mercury.

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Yeah, yeah. amazing.

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Well, there's Gwen, Gwen.

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I can't remember.

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Um, there's Dreadnock.

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Yeah, so...

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It's Michael Giquino, who did the original Star Trek, not the original Star Trek theme, the 2009 Star Trek theme and the music for that.

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But he doesn't do the incidental music.

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But again, you know, just the music for this show is really great.

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I think that ship is sexy as hell, you know.

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It's really good, isn't it?

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It's like, it looks like a, like a... an arrow or a javelin or something that's kind of...

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Yeah, whereas Voyage is like a, like, toilet spoon.

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No, talk about...

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My toilet looks a bit like a voyager, actually, every time I go in there.

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What would you do in here?

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Oh, okay, Stardate 60715 point something.

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This was the 1st episode with a Stardate.

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I think.

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I was reading this earlier on memory alpha.

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So now we know what year it's set in, but I can't do the maths right now.

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So we're in the Delta Quadrant, aren't we?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This is so adorable.

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And again, I think for us, you know, the this, um, you know, puzzle that they have to solve is all just kind of terribly obvious.

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It is, but it is the sort of thing that sort of team building puzzle that they give.

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The kids would know.

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Look at rock cradling the fox.

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I like zero. going backwards and forwards.

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We're really trying to figure all this out.

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Yeah, I'm getting back with the names, aren't I?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, so the important thing here is this is a team building thing and it falls to bits.

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So they don't manage to do it because they can't work together.

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It's really funny.

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Look, the fox gets away chasing the chicken.

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Murph's in the boat, floating off.

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I'm sorry.

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I need to say this, Murph MVP of Prodigy.

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Every time he appears it's hilarious.

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Whatever it does.

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I love rock because she is such a little girl.

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Like she wants to pat the fox, she wants to hug Murph.

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Look at the holodeck.

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There's a lovely scene in this actually where rock has a breakdown.

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Yeah, and deletes like the Janeway hologram.

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And I thought the vocal performance was really strong.

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Yeah.

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And she's a kid.

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She's like 10.

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No, but no, it's closer.

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There's a character called Dao, and there's a character called Rock.

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Well, are they plundered, that episode of TNG.

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What's it called?

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No, that's dark, isn't it?

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Oh, dumb.

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I swear there's something called Dow Rock, isn't it?

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Oh, no, that's that DS9 episode with the great cloud in the sky.

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Yeah.

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And O'Brien has to tell the story. shaving cream.

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The CGI shaving cream that attacks the colony.

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I thought the Tellerite had a little less to do in this one.

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He didn't have much to do, did he?

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He is so funny though.

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Holy crap.

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Because, you know, he's a well-known comic performer.

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He guessed it on the good place and Brooklyn Nine-Nine.

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He's really great.

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Every time we go back to this, the villain.

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Is it, is that, um, 0 my god, what's that girl's name?

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That's Gwinn's father.

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Gwen's father, yeah.

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Oh, and this, this woman here, she is the Ferengi who brought Dal up.

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And so last episode, he discovered that she had sold him into slavery.

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Why is it Ferengi in the Delta Quadrant?

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Oh, I don't know.

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It's, I don't know.

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Who knows?

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She's just a trader or whatever.

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But she brought down...

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Spanish question to ask, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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To stifle creativity.

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Yeah.

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So, so, and she, um, she's a terrible person and now he or she is betraying him to the diviner.

233
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Every time we come back to these villains, though, in the robot, I get massive like Star Wars clone Wars vibes.

234
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Yeah, that's absolutely right.

235
00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.019
It is borrowing a lot, isn't it?

236
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Yeah.

237
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So so this is super clever as well.

238
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They're too far away because we did a big giant jump of like 4000 light years in a few seconds using the new proto-star drive that they have.

239
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And so, so the diviner sends, um, uh, Dreadnock, over to the ship, but as a pattern.

240
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It's built by the replicator, isn't it?

241
00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:43.620
Yeah, the other end.

242
00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:44.759
That is very clever.

243
00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:49.500
Yeah, that big, the big shuttle replicator in the in the cargo bay.

244
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Now, look here, no good ever comes, or I of these starships going into clouds full of...

245
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Don't go into a cloud.

246
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I remember when Picard did that in TNG season one.

247
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Yeah.

248
00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.360
And then the whole bridge was full of electricity, wasn't it?

249
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Yeah, yeah. terrible.

250
00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:10.379
Yeah, it's like this is kind of like their 1st anomaly in a way.

251
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Well, I had to get to one eventually, didn't they?

252
00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:26.399
Yeah, but remember that we we can't cooperate in order to get the things across the river that all falls to pieces because no one's a leader and no one helps anyone.

253
00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:40.620
And now we get an anomaly that puts them all in different time streams where they're alone, but they obviously find a way to work together.

254
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Yeah, yeah, I get that.

255
00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:43.320
And that's yeah.

256
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But...

257
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Okay, wait.

258
00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.200
Yeah, and on a character level, that is...

259
00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:56.700
Yeah, it's simple, but yeah, but no more simple than, you know, many other Star Trek episodes doing the same thing.

260
00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:07.859
Um, I did think that the nuts and bolts of this story, the anomaly shattering the ship, being in different times.

261
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We've seen all of this before, all of it.

262
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And frankly, we've seen it done a bit better than this because it is boiled down quite simply.

263
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

264
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In fact, I think the explanation of it is really, really very well done.

265
00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:31.319
And it's because there are visual tools available to this show that aren't available to 90s track, for instance.

266
00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:37.259
Um, And I, why think as well, they're just better at tying all this stuff into current.

267
00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.980
So like back in 90s track, This would have just been, oh, this is a fun idea.

268
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Let's run with it, you know.

269
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Oh, look, see, she was hiding in the, she was hiding there, being sad and whimpering.

270
00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.180
So this is rock's episode, I think.

271
00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:59.759
And she said at the beginning, I don't want to be considered a security officer.

272
00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:01.980
Yeah, yeah, because she's big.

273
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Um, I thought that that might have been picking up something from before, but I can't remember it.

274
00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:12.240
But I think, yeah, she doesn't want to be the security officer.

275
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She wants to be something else and she doesn't know what.

276
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And he or she's kind of scared because she's on her own because she's obviously the youngest apart from Murph.

277
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Although we'll probably find Murph is 500 years old or something, if it was my God, that would be amazing.

278
00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.660
There's so much to learn when we go to the earth, done it.

279
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I have a good question.

280
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And you know, feel free to not answer this.

281
00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.339
How does a sentient rock come to be?

282
00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:41.579
Oh, I don't know that she's a rock, is she?

283
00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:42.240
Is she a rock?

284
00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:44.940
I don't know. rock She's clearly made out of rocks.

285
00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.059
You could just think she looks like she's made out of rocks.

286
00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.559
But okay, so you see this graphic here of the different shit.

287
00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:59.160
So there's a Voyager episode called Shattered in series 7. where Chakotay, they go for an anomaly.

288
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The ship is shattered up into time zones and he skips from one to the other.

289
00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:12.059
And it is basically a really fabulous excuse for him to explore the last 7 seasons of Voyager, just as the series is ducking out.

290
00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.000
I think that's a better episode than this.

291
00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:25.200
However, I do think this is like boiling down some big ideas in a very comprehensible way to children.

292
00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.400
And that's really, really good.

293
00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:29.460
You know, it's it's stimulating the imagination.

294
00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:39.420
Yeah, but I also think too, the fact that the anomaly or what happens to the ship reflects what staged the crew at.

295
00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.960
So they are all separate.

296
00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:46.079
It's like they're not operating together at all.

297
00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:52.200
And unless they can stop that, unless they can find a way to overcome that.

298
00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:54.839
Um, they're not going to survive.

299
00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:56.460
And I think that's kind of cool.

300
00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:06.960
Well, I love what they do with rock talk at the end of this episode. how they developed the character using this plot device.

301
00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:12.180
Like, that's something the nightest trek would never do because you know, character development isn't their bag.

302
00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:22.259
And in particular, what they do to her is a very Star Trek thing and I don't want to, I want to keep my powder dry until we get there.

303
00:20:22.380 --> 00:20:27.119
Do you know the, uh, cake mulcruise, uh, vocal performance?

304
00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:28.079
Yeah.

305
00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:36.900
I can't, I absolutely understand why they have made her look like Janeway of Voyager.

306
00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:42.359
But all I can see is Jane like Kate Mulgrew now, because the voice has aged a bit, you know?

307
00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:49.019
I see the one that the Janeway doing fabulous anecdotes at a Voyager, you know, celebration convention.

308
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So see this.

309
00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:55.200
So the graphic with the sort of sine wave thing.

310
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Um, explaining and, you know, like, it's kind of nonsense, but, It's a very Star Trekie explanation that's very well done.

311
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:15.539
And the reason it's happening, I think, is to give rock time to do the research that she does.

312
00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.839
And so she has to be slower than everyone else.

313
00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:22.079
And so they come up with this idea that they're faster and slower.

314
00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:26.220
And see, we're travelling along that same way.

315
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.059
I thought that was a lovely visual going along that sort of rainbow.

316
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.220
And it doesn't correspond to anything that's happening.

317
00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:36.420
It absolutely tells you we're going from one character part to another.

318
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.660
And we're going a lot.

319
00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:48.660
We need a sophisticated scientist to rebuild the warp core and then the camera cuts to Murph, burping summing up.

320
00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:52.680
I love that character so much. so good.

321
00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:53.460
Do you know what?

322
00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:57.059
I almost don't want to know much about him.

323
00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:58.980
I want him just to be a toddler.

324
00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.000
What sex is it?

325
00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:01.259
I think he's a him.

326
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.940
I think we say him.

327
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.819
Oh, it's the genatalist blob sex.

328
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:06.299
It is.

329
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:11.579
Rock calls him a hymn, so I think she would know.

330
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.299
But you know, I think they do have to be succinct in this because this is geared at kids.

331
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:23.640
You can't really be ambiguous with the premise, like you have to be very specific about what's going on.

332
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.519
But I think that's kind of good in a way.

333
00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:29.400
That's, it's, it means the writing's quite crisp.

334
00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:30.779
Yeah, yeah.

335
00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.180
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't waste any time.

336
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.900
So, like, we're here with Dow and Dow is a shit captain.

337
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:45.059
He's lying in his quarters playing video games and doesn't even notice that everyone's gone and it takes Janeway to sort of spur him into action.

338
00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:54.059
And that's a running theme, which I kind of like, because he's been our focus character since episode one.

339
00:22:54.119 --> 00:23:04.680
He is, in a way, the sort of star of the show and seeing him develop from a kind of irresponsible and sort of shifty kid.

340
00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:09.180
You know, he's brought up by a horrible Ferengi, who's kind of turns out mean to him.

341
00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.480
And, you know, he's been in this prison.

342
00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:18.119
And he, but he is smart and he's capable in all sorts of ways.

343
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:28.740
And so he, he, he, Janeway has actually managed to give him a speech that has spurred him into action and he's, he does well.

344
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.259
Like he gets, he gets something happening.

345
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:31.859
Look.

346
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:37.259
It's almost like a redemption arc of source, isn't it?

347
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:43.079
I mean, I did think in the other episode we watched, he was in a similar place where he was like, oh, you know, I'm not doing this.

348
00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:44.579
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what?

349
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.960
I'm going to step up to the plate and do this.

350
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.599
Yeah, and that's the thing that's going to happen.

351
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.339
I think that's okay, though.

352
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.960
You need a character.

353
00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:54.180
If they're all on board, then where's the tension?

354
00:23:54.660 --> 00:24:01.019
And he can't turn, he can't turn it around immediately like that, that wouldn't be, that would be no good.

355
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.839
Like, they can't throw that thread away.

356
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:07.920
I think his character's time. is probably the most obvious character.

357
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:11.579
Whereas I think like zero, there's lots to learn.

358
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.839
No, there's lots to learn.

359
00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:15.720
Rock talk is just massively appealing.

360
00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:20.640
The Tellerite is fucking hilarious. love him so much.

361
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:23.220
So whilst, you know, he's the lead.

362
00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:26.160
I don't know if he's the most interesting of all of them No.

363
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:26.819
Yeah.

364
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.619
It's a great performance though.

365
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.460
It really is.

366
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:37.200
I tell you what, one thing that really stood out for this, and this is a bit of a complaint is because obviously we watched the 1st 2 episodes, didn't we?

367
00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:42.839
And then we watched the 3rd, which was like a character piece of them all finding the ship and kind of learning about each other.

368
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:51.359
And I felt those 1st 3 episodes were really quite ambitious and doing new things, especially the 1st two.

369
00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:53.819
I really it really felt fresh.

370
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:58.619
This felt very cliche and a bit unambitious to me.

371
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:05.700
Except though, like the, like, this thing with dreadnaught suddenly coming to get her.

372
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:17.400
Like each of them are in a world, it turns out, are a version of the ship that's kind of designed to get them doing their thing.

373
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:29.759
And so it's telling the dreadnocturns up in the portion of the ship that Gwyn is in because she knows him and he was sent by her father and so on.

374
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:35.220
Isn't that what that's what we did in the 1st episode when they got away from the planet.

375
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:42.420
They all had to do their own thing to get away in the 2nd episode where they all went through a dangerous situation and they all had to...

376
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:45.539
You know, I get what they're doing.

377
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:50.640
I get it's all character building and it's definitely pushing the narrative of the season along.

378
00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.660
Yeah.

379
00:25:51.720 --> 00:26:03.180
But this felt, to me, very much like, okay, we've got a new set of regulars. lets put Trek cliche number 17 in and see how they react to it.

380
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:06.240
And every Star Trek show does this. none of them are immune, you know?

381
00:26:06.299 --> 00:26:08.160
And I think they have to.

382
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.900
We'll see the anomaly episode.

383
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.640
We'll probably see the time loop episode.

384
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.460
You know, they'll do the works.

385
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.299
But these characters are massively appealing.

386
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.339
And so this is still hugely watchable.

387
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.700
And like you said, visually, very impressive.

388
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:24.839
Yeah.

389
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:30.599
I mean, that thing of getting dreadnock there is so clever.

390
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:36.240
And it's one of those things where it's like, 0 my god, that's, you know, like I would never have thought of that.

391
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.380
It would never.

392
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:39.539
Why have they never done that before?

393
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.380
Yeah.

394
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.460
Yeah.

395
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.460
And he doesn't quite look like dreadnock.

396
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:45.420
It's not quite the same.

397
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.819
You know, it's not exactly him.

398
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:53.400
And in fact, he's got the same sort of colouring as the walls of the proto stars.

399
00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.960
Who reminds me of.

400
00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:55.980
It reminds me of.

401
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.240
You remember the phantom menace when they had all that that robot army they were going up against on the planet?

402
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:00.839
Oh, yeah, yeah.

403
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.559
That's what he looks like.

404
00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:02.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

405
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.660
But he's also got a kind of insect head thing happening, which is kind of cool.

406
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.380
It's the only parallels we'll be making with the Phantom Menace here.

407
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.480
I quite like the Phantom Menace.

408
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:13.559
Well, you would, wouldn't you?

409
00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:15.779
honestly. bloody contrary.

410
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:16.079
Yeah.

411
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.319
It's the best of the prequels, finally.

412
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:20.519
Excuse me.

413
00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.440
You've got in Phantom Menace.

414
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:24.000
Did you say it's the best of the prequels?

415
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:24.660
you kidding me?

416
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.200
Yeah.

417
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.940
Each one gets worse than the person?

418
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.099
Revenge and Sith is my favourite Star Wars film.

419
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:29.880
Dreadful.

420
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.140
Although, do you know what?

421
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.940
It just goes to show, though, you know, because I've been told recently that Star Trek can't do comedy.

422
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:44.220
Well, I'm telling you now, Murf is a much better comic relief character than Jar Job Inks.

423
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:45.420
Oh, easily.

424
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:46.079
Yep.

425
00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.940
Less racist the whole thing.

426
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.740
And so each of them fails without the other.

427
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:59.099
The best one is Janken because he's in the fastest one, Pog, and he just explodes immediately.

428
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.359
And, you know, Dal gets to build the thing.

429
00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:08.819
Oh, here we are.

430
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.039
Poor lonely.

431
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.740
And she uses the time and she has a lot of time.

432
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.660
How much time does she spend there?

433
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:25.799
Well, it doesn't tell us, but that, and like she's saying good night to everyone and she's got a little stuffed Murf that she sleeps with.

434
00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:27.059
So adorable.

435
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.019
Oh, I know.

436
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:28.920
I know.

437
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.299
I want one.

438
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.079
What if you could buy those?

439
00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:35.339
And she's still eating the shitty food from the...

440
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:37.140
Yeah, that's the running thief, isn't it?

441
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:40.319
And there's she's just been there forever.

443
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:44.759
Well, no, because actually, on the Gatesman family investigators.

444
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.500
Robert Picardo talks about his dad, right?

445
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:51.599
and his dad was brought up in poverty and they couldn't afford proper bread.

446
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:52.799
So he had stale bread.

447
00:28:52.859 --> 00:29:01.019
And even when he became a very rich man, He still ate stale bread because no, no, but this is the same thing, isn't it?

448
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:05.160
Yeah, she's used to the prison food and she doesn't want to eat anything else.

449
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.099
It's sad though, isn't it?

450
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.180
It's just terribly sad.

451
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.559
She's so good.

452
00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:13.740
Oh, and Gwyn is being so sweet as well.

453
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.000
Like their relationship.

454
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.500
Remember the episode?

455
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.019
Like, she was locked up in the last episode.

456
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:21.119
And she brought her food.

457
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:25.799
Yeah, despite the fact that that role was reversed, wasn't it?

458
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:28.740
She was the prisoner and she was the one in prison.

459
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.140
Do you know, it shouldn't work at all this, because they're all very likeable.

460
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.180
It should be it should be very tedious.

461
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:41.460
But this, like this, she is uncertain.

462
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.660
She's unsure of herself.

463
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.160
I can't, I can't, I can't.

464
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.900
She keeps saying that she can't do it.

465
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.400
Oh, and she's crying.

466
00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:50.339
Holy crap, that ship.

467
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:51.900
Oh, and look how lonely she is.

468
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.460
And the ship?

469
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:54.720
That's a beautiful shot.

470
00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:55.079
Yeah.

471
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:55.740
Yeah.

472
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.599
Holy crap.

473
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:58.500
This ship.

474
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:03.539
Okay. these shots where they're standing on the Starfleet symbol, don't they?

475
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

476
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:06.059
Well, it's the theme of the show.

477
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.480
But just the size of the spaces in this ship.

478
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:10.920
So wonderful.

479
00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:12.779
And she's fixed it.

480
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.299
Rockus fixed Janeway.

481
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:16.980
You know what?

482
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.200
You know, I really love the fact that Janeway.

483
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:20.400
Look.

484
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.960
See, the Tallymark, she's carved into the window.

485
00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:29.279
She's done it for each time she's trying to reboot Janeway and she's failed.

486
00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:32.519
And so she's done it 100s of times.

487
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.640
But finally got it right.

488
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:36.420
And...

489
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:39.359
And she's grown up now.

490
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.039
Is she a grown-up buddy of the next two?

491
00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:46.200
No, no, no, no, no. not going to change her to be a grown-up, but she has been there for a long time.

492
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.079
She teaches herself...

493
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.880
Like according to mechanics, aren't you?

494
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.859
Yeah, it's so good.

495
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:05.460
And and the thing is, right, um, It it valorizes science and knowledge and engineering and being a giant nerd and knowing stuff.

496
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:09.480
That's something to aspire to.

497
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:15.539
And this episode is very geeky with its sine wave and it's weird.

498
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.299
You know, like it just works on a level.

499
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.599
They're all on their own and they're communicating with each other and whatever.

500
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:30.720
But, um, it is nerdy and what she's done is, she saved the ship because she's awesome.

501
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.319
Something that Star Trek has always done, hasn't it?

502
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.859
It's promoted learning and being smart.

503
00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:39.720
Except for enterprise.

504
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.700
Oh, well, yeah.

505
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:50.700
But it's basically, you know, like, um, the geek wins, you know, it's, it's, and that is something to aspire to.

506
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.079
And there we go.

507
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.220
We had the group hug.

508
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.599
They're all hugging one another except Murph, who just fell from the ceiling and landed on.

509
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:01.559
He looks so happy, Luke, on the back.

510
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:19.920
But that's, I think that's really astonishing that now that character, Rock, can be used in a variety of different ways. through this premise, in this sort of throwaway premise. 90s trip would not do that.

511
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:25.140
No, Braun and Brains, Jankum, he's so gorgeous.

512
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:29.099
I read the most handsome Telleride.

513
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.039
I really want the episode for each of these characters.

514
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.619
You actually still kind of like learn more about them.

515
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:41.220
Like, you want to think, I think half the bat is, if you want to be with those characters, isn't it?

516
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:47.819
If you don't, you know, we said about Voyager half the time, we're like, well, if it's a Tom Paris episode, we're screwed, you know.

517
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.380
Whereas any one of these characters, any one of them.

519
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.900
There's no dud here.

520
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.799
Can I ask you a question about... the Janeway hologram.

521
00:32:58.859 --> 00:32:59.700
Yeah.

522
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:10.680
Because I'm a bit confused because she mentions about how the robot had come onto the ship and taken away her memory.

523
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.660
Yeah, yeah.

524
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.480
So she hasn't known who her original crew is.

525
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:21.000
So, we, she, she found out that her original crew was Captain Shakotay.

526
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.259
And that's all we know.

527
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.579
So the original captain of the protest star was Chakotay, and we see Chakotay.

528
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.619
No, talking to her.

529
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.240
He's handsome.

530
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:32.279
He has some in this.

531
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:33.660
As it has a cartoon.

532
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.480
Yeah, it's actually a very very good likeness of him.

533
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:40.140
Robert Beltran, a fabulous voice performer.

534
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:53.700
Well, he, fortunately, he's only in it a little bit and she does, she does a, you know, Zoom into the centre of the picture enhance, and then you can see Dreadnaught kind of peering through the, through the thing.

535
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.299
So we do know the dreadnock took over the ship.

536
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.599
So there's some ongoing thing about that, I think.

537
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:04.079
Do we know that this is caught on with kits?

538
00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:05.880
I don't know.

539
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.980
No, I don't know. really hope so.

540
00:34:08.099 --> 00:34:09.300
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.079
It's properly sophisticated this for children.

542
00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:16.500
I, you know, I wouldn't say as an adult, this is massively fair.

543
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:24.239
But it is for a child audience, this is a cut above the usual sort of diet that they're fed on Nickelodeon.

544
00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:33.900
Yeah, I think that, you know, like, I think the kids' TV is often more sophisticated than we kind of give it credit for.

545
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:35.099
I don't know.

546
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:41.340
I have seen some of the stuff they churn out on the CBC and it can be pretty.

547
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.579
Yeah.

548
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.360
Yeah.

549
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:45.840
But this, you know, it is proper Star Trek.

550
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:49.440
It's not like Star Trek the animated series, which is sort of super low effort.

551
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.480
We still haven't lost yet.

552
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.519
I couldn't possibly comment.

553
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.519
I've watched a couple of them.

554
00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:57.780
Low effort, did you say?

555
00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:59.159
Oh, come wait, see no.

556
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.860
Shoddy.

557
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:10.500
And this is, I mean, this is a beautiful version of Star Trek, like a stunningly good looking one, one that's well acted.

558
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.300
You know, it's got proper people in it.

559
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.500
Just incredibly solid characters and likeable characters.

560
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:32.280
Remember, I said in the last episode, the Herosion episode about how I was a massive cynic and, you know, how I can't really buy into these Star Trek shows that are basically, you know, going with the premise that we can aspire to be better than all of this.

561
00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:35.880
Maybe if I'd had a show like this to watch at a certain age.

562
00:35:35.940 --> 00:35:37.380
I wouldn't feel like that, you know?

563
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:42.000
It is absolutely that is pumping optimism into children.

564
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:43.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:43.800
Yeah.

566
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:57.000
Like the little girl tries really hard and spends a lot of time because she's lonely and she wants her friends back and presumably she doesn't want to die in a warp core breach and she solves.

567
00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:03.119
She solves the problem by being smart and everyone's proud of her.

568
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:04.739
It's so sweet.

569
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:11.219
But in the same breath, we've got a flying robot and a jelly and you know, all those other fabulous things as well.

570
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.900
He's a Medusin.

571
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:14.460
Who what?

572
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.000
Zero.

573
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:15.840
Yeah.

574
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:16.980
Do you know what?

575
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.320
that's a really appealing voice performance.

576
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:23.699
Every time I perk up every time I hear that voice.

577
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.559
He can do comedy too.

578
00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.539
He can deliver a funny line really well.

579
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:28.860
I think he's great.

580
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:42.000
There was a scene just now where he was sort of super enthusiastic because he'd worked out the time anomaly and he kind of like heads straight towards Janeway and Janeway's a little bit taken taken aback by his enthusiasm.

581
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:45.179
It's just fun, you know, he's he's really good.

582
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.639
I mean, looking at Kurtzman Trek as a whole.

583
00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.079
I tend to do this when we.

584
00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:53.039
I tend to 4 shows or 5 now as a whole.

585
00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:57.360
Like, you know, I'm still not on board with Discovery.

586
00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:59.880
I'm just on board with Picard.

587
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:03.960
I like lower decks, but I think I can take it a little bit.

588
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:05.280
I'm properly on board with this.

589
00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:10.500
Like, I will watch this through and that's probably my biggest surprise with Cosby Trek.

590
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:22.860
All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode and I am on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

591
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.760
And I have no idea what I'm doing.

592
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:33.900
I have no unifying theme here, but I kind of want to do some 90s trek that we haven't done.

593
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.579
Uh, too recently.

594
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.699
And we're a bit voyagered out, I think.

595
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.260
So I...

596
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:51.179
I am going to choose Star Trek the Next Generation, Star Trek Deep Space 9 and Star Trek Enterprise.

597
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:52.320
Okay.

598
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:53.699
Okay.

599
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.840
Does that sound all right?

600
00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:55.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

601
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.119
What, 90s track?

602
00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:57.719
you kidding me?

603
00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:58.860
90s track.

604
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.500
And the good 90s trek and the mediocre 90s trek.

605
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.199
Actually, they're all both of those things, aren't they?

606
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.699
They can be, yeah.

607
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

608
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:11.579
Push the bum.

609
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.119
Okay, we have a Deep Space 9.

610
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.639
Oh, God.

611
00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:19.920
Blaze of glory.

612
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.699
Oh, that's a, that's a terrific episode.

613
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.599
Yeah.

614
00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:26.159
That isn't it?

615
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:26.820
Properly.

616
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.800
It's like the end of an arc.

617
00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:42.420
It's, um, it's one that really goes into some like, uh, morally gray conversation between Eddington and Cisco and who's the villain of, of their relationship.

618
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.840
It's it's visually quite interesting because we're in the Badlands.

619
00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:47.880
There's that massacre in it.

620
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.780
There's some action.

621
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.159
Well, it's up to you.

622
00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:51.599
I think we just do it.

623
00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:52.800
Why don't we just do it?

624
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:55.440
I don't think we've ever done that before.

625
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:58.800
Jason Thompson will be turning that in his grave.

626
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:02.880
He said to me the other day, he did...

627
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:04.500
He went randomly selected.

628
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:04.920
Yeah.

629
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.079
Well, this one's for you, Jason.

630
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:07.559
All right?

631
00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:22.739
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

632
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:29.519
You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

633
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:35.099
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

634
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:41.219
This episode was recorded on the 24th of March 2022 and released on the 1st of April.

635
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.860
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Blaze of Glory.