WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 20:55:38 1 00:00:21.899 --> 00:00:24.780 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:30.480 So today we're back on Star Trek Prodigy, which I guess is what 3 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:35.820 the most recent new Star Trek series at the time we record, and we 4 00:00:35.820 --> 00:00:40.439 are watching episode, I want to say eight. 5 00:00:40.500 --> 00:00:41.100 Am I wrong? 6 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:47.219 It is episode eight, the rather cheekily titled Time Amok. 7 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:51.899 They do riff on classic Star Trek episode titles a bit. 8 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.060 If they take the bloody piss, they do. 9 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:54.840 Yeah, yeah. 10 00:00:54.899 --> 00:00:56.460 So we've had Kobi Ashi. 11 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:59.700 There's 1st contact with a hyphen. 12 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:01.020 Unification number three. 13 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:03.179 Oh, well, that's Discovery. 14 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:04.140 That's brilliant. 15 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:06.599 Yeah, no, no, but it's Kurtzman Tregg. 16 00:01:06.659 --> 00:01:08.459 I think it's Kurtzman Trek, but... 17 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.040 They, they, they stir the pot a little bit, you know. 18 00:01:11.099 --> 00:01:11.519 Yeah. 19 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:16.620 Well, this is a show that kind of introduces the Star Trek legacy 20 00:01:16.620 --> 00:01:17.400 to kids. 21 00:01:17.459 --> 00:01:21.659 And the last time we did an episode, we did episode three, so that 22 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:22.859 was the 1st regular episode. 23 00:01:22.859 --> 00:01:25.439 And I think that that was one of the things that we were charmed 24 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:31.260 by, you know, that the kids in the show are being introduced to 25 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:34.739 Star Trek at the same time as the audience are being introduced to 26 00:01:34.739 --> 00:01:34.920 it. 27 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:39.239 I mean, this is the 1st time it's being done specifically, isn't 28 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:39.420 it? 29 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:44.400 I mean, I would say like kids could happily watch TOS and early 30 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.659 TNG as well. 31 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.719 And, you know, there's nothing incredibly complicated going on 32 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.840 with either of them, but this is the 1st time a show has been 33 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.060 designed for children. 34 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.900 Although weirdly enough, I think this is more mature than early 35 00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:00.480 TNG and a lot of TOS as well. 36 00:02:00.540 --> 00:02:03.780 It's often the way, you know, when they write for kids, they write 37 00:02:03.780 --> 00:02:04.079 up. 38 00:02:04.260 --> 00:02:08.039 And when they're writing for adults, they write down, you know 39 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:08.580 it's... 40 00:02:08.580 --> 00:02:12.419 I think writing up is exactly what's happening here and we'll talk 41 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:13.620 about that when we get into it. 42 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:18.060 But I think it's very, very explicitly, being a little bit more 43 00:02:18.060 --> 00:02:22.379 complex than you might expect from a kid show. 44 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:23.039 Yeah, for sure. 45 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:26.639 There's 2 things I want to talk about before we go in, if that's 46 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:26.939 all right. 47 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:34.800 First thing is watching this, this felt so explicitly 90s trek to 48 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:35.819 me this episode. 49 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.340 And I think this is the show. 50 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.560 This is the Kurtzman show. 51 00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:43.919 Well, apart from lower decks, which is obviously set during during 52 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.080 that period, into that kind of adventures on a spaceship, you 53 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:49.259 know. 54 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:52.020 Discovery is doing something a bit more mature. 55 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:56.759 Picard's, I'm thinking of that as like the darker side of the trek 56 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:57.120 universe. 57 00:02:57.180 --> 00:02:58.020 Jesus Christ. 58 00:02:58.139 --> 00:03:01.259 That 2nd episode this year when they went off, went off into a 59 00:03:01.259 --> 00:03:03.599 Nazi world with Picardo, the dictator. 60 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:05.219 So good. 61 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:06.539 Actually, do you know what? 62 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:12.060 The 2nd series of Picard so far has been extraordinarily good. 63 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.520 Like fan wank on a level you cannot believe. 64 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.860 So exciting. but brilliant. 65 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.139 And I really appreciate that about this. 66 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.479 Because, you know me, I love 90s trick. 67 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:25.379 However, for the same reasons, I am going to complain about this 68 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:29.099 particular episode because I think it is mired in 90s trick 69 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:33.240 cliches and it is really beyond the character stuff doing much 70 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.400 that's ambitious with those ideas. 71 00:03:35.580 --> 00:03:42.180 So where does this rank for you in like all of the Kurzman treks? 72 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:47.400 It's not a must see for me in the way that Picard and Discovery 73 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:48.120 have been. 74 00:03:48.180 --> 00:03:54.539 So I will watch those, you know, within a day or so of a new 75 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:55.379 episode coming out. 76 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:01.080 I've watched all of Discovery season 4 at this and I will be 77 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.539 avidly watching Picard. 78 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:08.340 So it's, yeah, it's not must see TV in quite the same way, and I 79 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:10.860 still haven't seen the finale, but I've seen all the episodes 80 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.340 leading up to this, and I like it. 81 00:04:14.460 --> 00:04:19.800 I think it's really charming and I think it does a good job of 82 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:25.019 introducing Star Trek to a new audience. 83 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:30.180 And it's visually stunning, like Kurtzman Trek always is. 84 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:34.139 And I think the characters are incredibly likeable. 85 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:36.540 Yeah, that's the thing. 86 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:40.740 Like, obviously, we watched episode 3 last time. didn't we? 87 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:42.600 This is episode eight. 88 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:47.279 And I haven't watched any of the ones in between and clearly a lot 89 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.800 of stuff has gone down because they talk about it in this episode 90 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:55.980 the shit hit the fan last week by all accounts and we're feeling 91 00:04:55.980 --> 00:04:57.120 the fallout in this episode. 92 00:04:57.180 --> 00:05:02.279 So this is actually more serialised than I thought it was going to 93 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:02.459 be. 94 00:05:02.819 --> 00:05:08.040 Yeah, in fact, I think episodes 4 and 5 are basically one story 95 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:13.800 even though they have different titles, but there is often a 96 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:19.079 reveal or something at the end of an episode to kind of bring you 97 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.899 back the following week and they do refer to things that happened 98 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:23.040 in previous weeks. 99 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:27.060 So I kind of like that because one of the things about a kid's 100 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:31.139 show is, you know, the kind of kid who's going to get into Star 101 00:05:31.139 --> 00:05:36.540 Trek, I think, is going to be the kind of person who learns and 102 00:05:36.540 --> 00:05:41.879 really, really becomes familiar with the story of an entire 103 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:42.480 season. 104 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:49.680 I think those serialised elements really draw you in and this is 105 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.060 their Star Trek. 106 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.639 This is Star Trek for a new generation of kids. 107 00:05:53.699 --> 00:05:58.259 And so there's things to know about it and we kind of appreciate 108 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:02.040 that as well, you know, knowing details of the story or details of 109 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.300 the ship or relationships between characters and stuff. 110 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:10.379 And this show wisely decides not to erase those at the end of the 111 00:06:10.379 --> 00:06:13.560 episode and then start completely afresh the following week. 112 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:15.000 I think it's a good idea. 113 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.839 I think it's very telling that something you just said there, and 114 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:24.720 that is, in order for Star Trek to continue, you need to bring in 115 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:29.279 the next generation of like the viewing audience, you know, so the 116 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.980 fact that they're doing this, I think it's a really smart move 117 00:06:31.980 --> 00:06:35.579 because I don't know, you know, young kids can't watch Discovery 118 00:06:35.579 --> 00:06:36.600 and Picard, you know? 119 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:38.100 They say fuck. 120 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.579 There's a lot of violence in it and things like that, you know, it 121 00:06:41.579 --> 00:06:44.160 is that would be far too much, I think. 122 00:06:44.220 --> 00:06:48.839 Whereas here, we're ensuring that kids that are like 4 and 5 now. 123 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:51.120 And, you know, that sort of age. 124 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:51.959 I have a Star Trek. 125 00:06:52.019 --> 00:06:52.800 Yeah. 126 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:57.000 And also 90 Star Trek is a bit talky and a bit old-fashioned 127 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.920 looking, I think, for... 128 00:06:58.980 --> 00:07:00.360 Yeah, you have mentioned that a few times, yeah. 129 00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:06.660 You know, but this introduces elements of 90s trek over and over 130 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:06.899 again. 131 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.680 We have Kobayashi, an episode that's set on the Enterprise Bridge 132 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.480 with like Odo and Ahura, which is... 133 00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:16.620 It looks amazing. 134 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.540 Isn't Beverly Crusher in there as well? 135 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:19.800 Beverly Crushes there. 136 00:07:19.860 --> 00:07:21.000 Yeah. 137 00:07:22.139 --> 00:07:27.360 So it is introducing Star Trek to a new generation. 138 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:31.800 You can imagine a kid learning that there's an episode of original 139 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.839 Star Trek called A Muck Time. 140 00:07:33.899 --> 00:07:37.379 And they would go, wait, you know, that's just like time amok, this 141 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:38.879 episode we're now about to watch. 142 00:07:39.779 --> 00:07:44.459 I might say something as a complete side note from both prodigy 143 00:07:44.459 --> 00:07:45.180 and this episode. 144 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.519 I'm going to be really indulgent. 145 00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:53.279 It's to recommend something to any Star Trek fan and that is the 146 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:59.399 Gates McFadden investigates podcast, which I discovered this week 147 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:00.720 and gobbled up. 148 00:08:00.779 --> 00:08:03.899 There's only about 13 episodes on there at the moment. 149 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.100 I'm not sure what she's doing anymore. 150 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:10.379 But essentially what it is, is Star Trek actors coming on and 151 00:08:10.379 --> 00:08:11.639 talking about their lives. 152 00:08:11.699 --> 00:08:13.620 They don't talk about Star Trek at all. 153 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:19.920 So it's people like Nanar Visitor, Brent Spiner, Robert Picardo 154 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:25.079 and they're talking about their families, their careers, their 155 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.939 aspirations. 156 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.300 If you're the sort of person that kind of likes the 157 00:08:30.300 --> 00:08:32.340 autobiographical side of the shows. 158 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.840 Check this out. 159 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:35.820 It is absolutely gripping. 160 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.639 I've listened to every single episode in a week. 161 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:39.720 Wow. 162 00:08:39.779 --> 00:08:40.559 Yeah. 163 00:08:40.620 --> 00:08:43.080 And I will be dropping trivia. 164 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.860 As those actors appear, I will be I've learned so much about those 165 00:08:46.860 --> 00:08:47.399 actors. 166 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:48.899 Um, yeah. 167 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.840 So check out Gates, my family investigates. 168 00:08:51.899 --> 00:08:53.220 It's well worth a listen. 169 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.820 And she is a fantastic interviewer. 170 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:02.759 Like very personable, huge, like massively likeable and just has a 171 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:09.000 way of sharing the personal experiences of somebody's life in a 172 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.360 way where the interviewer and the person being interviewed bond. 173 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:13.440 It's really lovely. 174 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:17.460 Well, I look forward to you being a bit less mean about her in 175 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:17.940 future. 176 00:09:18.059 --> 00:09:20.220 Oh, she's a dreadful actress. 177 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.379 Oh, she's awful. 178 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:23.100 What a robot. 179 00:09:23.340 --> 00:09:25.740 She has got a very good podcast. 180 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:28.559 All right. 181 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:30.960 Should we get going? 182 00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:31.740 Sorry, gates. 183 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:32.460 Sorry. 184 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.019 You don't listen to this. 185 00:09:34.139 --> 00:09:35.399 She'll never hear this. 186 00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:35.700 No. 187 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.419 Next season, she'll be like, no, I've been listening to this. 188 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:40.740 I'm titled Star Trek project. 189 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.120 That's right. horrible people. 190 00:09:42.179 --> 00:09:44.220 I am not a robot, okay? 191 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:46.259 All right. 192 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:46.799 All right. 193 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:48.059 I'm going to count us in. 194 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:49.559 I'm ready Okay. 195 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:56.460 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 196 00:09:57.179 --> 00:09:58.980 One of these days. 197 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:00.600 I'll do the countdown, you know, everyone will get a terrible 198 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:00.960 shock. 199 00:10:04.019 --> 00:10:05.519 This is a Nickelodeon production. 200 00:10:05.580 --> 00:10:07.860 It hasn't even hit Nickelodeon yet, I don't think, this show. 201 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.679 Oh, okay, maybe it's just on Paramount+. don't know. 202 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:12.600 God, these titles are so good. 203 00:10:12.899 --> 00:10:15.000 And the music as well. 204 00:10:15.059 --> 00:10:19.379 It's like... 205 00:10:19.379 --> 00:10:20.759 Yeah, it's really great. 206 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:23.220 It's really, and you know what? 207 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:24.360 I've only heard it a couple of times. 208 00:10:24.419 --> 00:10:26.700 I couldn't tell you what the discovery theme is, even though I 209 00:10:26.700 --> 00:10:29.220 know it's good, but I love the discovery. 210 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.419 This is very memorable. 211 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.059 It's very kind of we're off on an adventure, you know? 212 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.840 Yeah, yeah. 213 00:10:33.899 --> 00:10:36.059 No, it's got a sort of 90s thing. 214 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.240 This is like, uh, this is a bit like the Voyager Tardis. 215 00:10:39.299 --> 00:10:41.700 We must have said this last time only a lot better, I guess. 216 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.419 Well, and I love that bit there where the bit where it's Murph and 217 00:10:45.419 --> 00:10:49.019 it bounces off what looks like liquid mercury. 218 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:50.639 Yeah, yeah. amazing. 219 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:52.679 Well, there's Gwen, Gwen. 220 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:53.519 I can't remember. 221 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:56.399 Um, there's Dreadnock. 222 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.039 Yeah, so... 223 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:05.279 It's Michael Giquino, who did the original Star Trek, not the 224 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.299 original Star Trek theme, the 2009 Star Trek theme and the music 225 00:11:09.299 --> 00:11:12.059 for that. 226 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:13.980 But he doesn't do the incidental music. 227 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.399 But again, you know, just the music for this show is really 228 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:17.700 great. 229 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.340 I think that ship is sexy as hell, you know. 230 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.019 It's really good, isn't it? 231 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:27.419 It's like, it looks like a, like a... an arrow or a javelin or 232 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:28.740 something that's kind of... 233 00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:32.100 Yeah, whereas Voyage is like a, like, toilet spoon. 234 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:33.720 No, talk about... 235 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.840 My toilet looks a bit like a voyager, actually, every time I go in 236 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:36.960 there. 237 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.179 What would you do in here? 238 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:44.159 Oh, okay, Stardate 60715 point something. 239 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:46.500 This was the 1st episode with a Stardate. 240 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:46.799 I think. 241 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:48.899 I was reading this earlier on memory alpha. 242 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.379 So now we know what year it's set in, but I can't do the maths 243 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:52.860 right now. 244 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:55.379 So we're in the Delta Quadrant, aren't we? 245 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:56.399 Yeah. 246 00:11:56.460 --> 00:11:57.240 Okay. 247 00:11:57.299 --> 00:11:57.720 Yeah. 248 00:11:57.779 --> 00:11:58.740 Yeah. 249 00:11:59.220 --> 00:12:01.620 This is so adorable. 250 00:12:01.740 --> 00:12:10.500 And again, I think for us, you know, the this, um, you know, puzzle 251 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:14.100 that they have to solve is all just kind of terribly obvious. 252 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:19.860 It is, but it is the sort of thing that sort of team building 253 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:21.059 puzzle that they give. 254 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:22.919 The kids would know. 255 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:27.120 Look at rock cradling the fox. 256 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:29.820 I like zero. going backwards and forwards. 257 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:31.139 We're really trying to figure all this out. 258 00:12:31.740 --> 00:12:34.440 Yeah, I'm getting back with the names, aren't I? 259 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:35.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 260 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:40.740 So, so the important thing here is this is a team building thing 261 00:12:40.740 --> 00:12:42.480 and it falls to bits. 262 00:12:42.539 --> 00:12:46.320 So they don't manage to do it because they can't work together. 263 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.240 It's really funny. 264 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:50.940 Look, the fox gets away chasing the chicken. 265 00:12:51.659 --> 00:12:55.500 Murph's in the boat, floating off. 266 00:12:55.500 --> 00:12:56.940 I'm sorry. 267 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.539 I need to say this, Murph MVP of Prodigy. 268 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:02.279 Every time he appears it's hilarious. 269 00:13:02.340 --> 00:13:04.259 Whatever it does. 270 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.580 I love rock because she is such a little girl. 271 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:12.179 Like she wants to pat the fox, she wants to hug Murph. 272 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:13.679 Look at the holodeck. 273 00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:18.000 There's a lovely scene in this actually where rock has a 274 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:18.779 breakdown. 275 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.740 Yeah, and deletes like the Janeway hologram. 276 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.080 And I thought the vocal performance was really strong. 277 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:26.460 Yeah. 278 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:27.600 And she's a kid. 279 00:13:27.659 --> 00:13:28.860 She's like 10. 280 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:31.139 No, but no, it's closer. 281 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.960 There's a character called Dao, and there's a character called 282 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:34.320 Rock. 283 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:39.299 Well, are they plundered, that episode of TNG. 284 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:39.779 What's it called? 285 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.639 No, that's dark, isn't it? 286 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:42.659 Oh, dumb. 287 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.320 I swear there's something called Dow Rock, isn't it? 288 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:49.740 Oh, no, that's that DS9 episode with the great cloud in the sky. 289 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:50.580 Yeah. 290 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.240 And O'Brien has to tell the story. shaving cream. 291 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:56.759 The CGI shaving cream that attacks the colony. 292 00:13:56.820 --> 00:14:00.059 I thought the Tellerite had a little less to do in this one. 293 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.860 He didn't have much to do, did he? 294 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.559 He is so funny though. 295 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.639 Holy crap. 296 00:14:05.700 --> 00:14:09.600 Because, you know, he's a well-known comic performer. 297 00:14:09.659 --> 00:14:13.320 He guessed it on the good place and Brooklyn Nine-Nine. 298 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:14.399 He's really great. 299 00:14:14.460 --> 00:14:18.179 Every time we go back to this, the villain. 300 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.840 Is it, is that, um, 0 my god, what's that girl's name? 301 00:14:21.899 --> 00:14:23.039 That's Gwinn's father. 302 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.179 Gwen's father, yeah. 303 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:30.960 Oh, and this, this woman here, she is the Ferengi who brought Dal 304 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:31.740 up. 305 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:36.480 And so last episode, he discovered that she had sold him into 306 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:37.200 slavery. 307 00:14:37.259 --> 00:14:40.139 Why is it Ferengi in the Delta Quadrant? 308 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:41.820 Oh, I don't know. 309 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:43.139 It's, I don't know. 310 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:43.799 Who knows? 311 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.299 She's just a trader or whatever. 312 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.039 But she brought down... 313 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.860 Spanish question to ask, isn't it? 314 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:50.340 Yeah, yeah. 315 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:51.960 To stifle creativity. 316 00:14:52.019 --> 00:14:52.919 Yeah. 317 00:14:52.980 --> 00:14:58.379 So, so, and she, um, she's a terrible person and now he or she is 318 00:14:58.379 --> 00:15:01.080 betraying him to the diviner. 319 00:15:01.139 --> 00:15:05.639 Every time we come back to these villains, though, in the robot, I 320 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.000 get massive like Star Wars clone Wars vibes. 321 00:15:09.059 --> 00:15:10.799 Yeah, that's absolutely right. 322 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.019 It is borrowing a lot, isn't it? 323 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:14.100 Yeah. 324 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.620 So so this is super clever as well. 325 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:21.659 They're too far away because we did a big giant jump of like 4000 326 00:15:21.659 --> 00:15:25.860 light years in a few seconds using the new proto-star drive that 327 00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:26.279 they have. 328 00:15:26.340 --> 00:15:38.039 And so, so the diviner sends, um, uh, Dreadnock, over to the ship 329 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:39.779 but as a pattern. 330 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.720 It's built by the replicator, isn't it? 331 00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:43.620 Yeah, the other end. 332 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:44.759 That is very clever. 333 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:49.139 Yeah, that big, the big shuttle replicator in the in the cargo 334 00:15:49.139 --> 00:15:49.500 bay. 335 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:54.120 Now, look here, no good ever comes, or I of these starships going 336 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.919 into clouds full of... 337 00:15:55.980 --> 00:15:56.879 Don't go into a cloud. 338 00:15:56.940 --> 00:16:00.120 I remember when Picard did that in TNG season one. 339 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:00.840 Yeah. 340 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.360 And then the whole bridge was full of electricity, wasn't it? 341 00:16:03.419 --> 00:16:04.860 Yeah, yeah. terrible. 342 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:10.379 Yeah, it's like this is kind of like their 1st anomaly in a way. 343 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.679 Well, I had to get to one eventually, didn't they? 344 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:20.580 Yeah, but remember that we we can't cooperate in order to get the 345 00:16:20.580 --> 00:16:24.779 things across the river that all falls to pieces because no one's 346 00:16:24.779 --> 00:16:26.399 a leader and no one helps anyone. 347 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:31.919 And now we get an anomaly that puts them all in different time 348 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:40.259 streams where they're alone, but they obviously find a way to work 349 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:40.620 together. 350 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:42.539 Yeah, yeah, I get that. 351 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:43.320 And that's yeah. 352 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.820 But... 353 00:16:44.820 --> 00:16:45.419 Okay, wait. 354 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.200 Yeah, and on a character level, that is... 355 00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:54.480 Yeah, it's simple, but yeah, but no more simple than, you know 356 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.700 many other Star Trek episodes doing the same thing. 357 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:04.500 Um, I did think that the nuts and bolts of this story, the anomaly 358 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:07.859 shattering the ship, being in different times. 359 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.680 We've seen all of this before, all of it. 360 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:14.819 And frankly, we've seen it done a bit better than this because it 361 00:17:14.819 --> 00:17:16.380 is boiled down quite simply. 362 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 363 00:17:18.059 --> 00:17:21.960 In fact, I think the explanation of it is really, really very well 364 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:22.619 done. 365 00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:28.440 And it's because there are visual tools available to this show 366 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.319 that aren't available to 90s track, for instance. 367 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:36.119 Um, And I, why think as well, they're just better at tying all 368 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.259 this stuff into current. 369 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.319 So like back in 90s track, This would have just been, oh, this is 370 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:40.980 a fun idea. 371 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.059 Let's run with it, you know. 372 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:48.299 Oh, look, see, she was hiding in the, she was hiding there, being 373 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:50.460 sad and whimpering. 374 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.180 So this is rock's episode, I think. 375 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:59.099 And she said at the beginning, I don't want to be considered a 376 00:17:59.099 --> 00:17:59.759 security officer. 377 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:01.980 Yeah, yeah, because she's big. 378 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.119 Um, I thought that that might have been picking up something from 379 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.220 before, but I can't remember it. 380 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:12.240 But I think, yeah, she doesn't want to be the security officer. 381 00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:15.720 She wants to be something else and she doesn't know what. 382 00:18:15.779 --> 00:18:19.079 And he or she's kind of scared because she's on her own because 383 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.140 she's obviously the youngest apart from Murph. 384 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.200 Although we'll probably find Murph is 500 years old or something 385 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.759 if it was my God, that would be amazing. 386 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.660 There's so much to learn when we go to the earth, done it. 387 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.579 I have a good question. 388 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.180 And you know, feel free to not answer this. 389 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.339 How does a sentient rock come to be? 390 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:41.579 Oh, I don't know that she's a rock, is she? 391 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:42.240 Is she a rock? 392 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:44.940 I don't know. rock She's clearly made out of rocks. 393 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.059 You could just think she looks like she's made out of rocks. 394 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.559 But okay, so you see this graphic here of the different shit. 395 00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:57.000 So there's a Voyager episode called Shattered in series 7. where 396 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.160 Chakotay, they go for an anomaly. 397 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:02.880 The ship is shattered up into time zones and he skips from one to 398 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:03.299 the other. 399 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:07.079 And it is basically a really fabulous excuse for him to explore 400 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:12.059 the last 7 seasons of Voyager, just as the series is ducking out. 401 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.000 I think that's a better episode than this. 402 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:22.740 However, I do think this is like boiling down some big ideas in a 403 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:25.200 very comprehensible way to children. 404 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.400 And that's really, really good. 405 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:29.460 You know, it's it's stimulating the imagination. 406 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.539 Yeah, but I also think too, the fact that the anomaly or what 407 00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:39.420 happens to the ship reflects what staged the crew at. 408 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.960 So they are all separate. 409 00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:46.079 It's like they're not operating together at all. 410 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:51.359 And unless they can stop that, unless they can find a way to 411 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:52.200 overcome that. 412 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:54.839 Um, they're not going to survive. 413 00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:56.460 And I think that's kind of cool. 414 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:01.380 Well, I love what they do with rock talk at the end of this 415 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:06.960 episode. how they developed the character using this plot device. 416 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:09.299 Like, that's something the nightest trek would never do because 417 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:12.180 you know, character development isn't their bag. 418 00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:18.720 And in particular, what they do to her is a very Star Trek thing 419 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.019 and I don't want to, I want to keep my powder dry until we get 420 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:22.259 there. 421 00:20:22.380 --> 00:20:27.119 Do you know the, uh, cake mulcruise, uh, vocal performance? 422 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:28.079 Yeah. 423 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:33.900 I can't, I absolutely understand why they have made her look like 424 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:36.900 Janeway of Voyager. 425 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.799 But all I can see is Jane like Kate Mulgrew now, because the voice 426 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.359 has aged a bit, you know? 427 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:47.039 I see the one that the Janeway doing fabulous anecdotes at a 428 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.019 Voyager, you know, celebration convention. 429 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.480 So see this. 430 00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:55.200 So the graphic with the sort of sine wave thing. 431 00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:01.140 Um, explaining and, you know, like, it's kind of nonsense, but 432 00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:07.259 It's a very Star Trekie explanation that's very well done. 433 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:14.099 And the reason it's happening, I think, is to give rock time to do 434 00:21:14.099 --> 00:21:15.539 the research that she does. 435 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.839 And so she has to be slower than everyone else. 436 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:21.480 And so they come up with this idea that they're faster and 437 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:22.079 slower. 438 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:26.220 And see, we're travelling along that same way. 439 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.400 I thought that was a lovely visual going along that sort of 440 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.059 rainbow. 441 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.220 And it doesn't correspond to anything that's happening. 442 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:36.119 It absolutely tells you we're going from one character part to 443 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:36.420 another. 444 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.660 And we're going a lot. 445 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:46.319 We need a sophisticated scientist to rebuild the warp core and 446 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.660 then the camera cuts to Murph, burping summing up. 447 00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:52.680 I love that character so much. so good. 448 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:53.460 Do you know what? 449 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:57.059 I almost don't want to know much about him. 450 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:58.980 I want him just to be a toddler. 451 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.000 What sex is it? 452 00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:01.259 I think he's a him. 453 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.940 I think we say him. 454 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.819 Oh, it's the genatalist blob sex. 455 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:06.299 It is. 456 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:11.579 Rock calls him a hymn, so I think she would know. 457 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.019 But you know, I think they do have to be succinct in this because 458 00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:18.299 this is geared at kids. 459 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.779 You can't really be ambiguous with the premise, like you have to 460 00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:23.640 be very specific about what's going on. 461 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.519 But I think that's kind of good in a way. 462 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:29.400 That's, it's, it means the writing's quite crisp. 463 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:30.779 Yeah, yeah. 464 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.180 Yeah, yeah, it doesn't it doesn't waste any time. 465 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.900 So, like, we're here with Dow and Dow is a shit captain. 466 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:39.900 He's lying in his quarters playing video games and doesn't even 467 00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:44.279 notice that everyone's gone and it takes Janeway to sort of spur 468 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:45.059 him into action. 469 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:51.720 And that's a running theme, which I kind of like, because he's 470 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.059 been our focus character since episode one. 471 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:59.640 He is, in a way, the sort of star of the show and seeing him 472 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:04.680 develop from a kind of irresponsible and sort of shifty kid. 473 00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:07.920 You know, he's brought up by a horrible Ferengi, who's kind of 474 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.180 turns out mean to him. 475 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.480 And, you know, he's been in this prison. 476 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:18.119 And he, but he is smart and he's capable in all sorts of ways. 477 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:23.700 And so he, he, he, Janeway has actually managed to give him a 478 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:28.740 speech that has spurred him into action and he's, he does well. 479 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.259 Like he gets, he gets something happening. 480 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:31.859 Look. 481 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:37.259 It's almost like a redemption arc of source, isn't it? 482 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.799 I mean, I did think in the other episode we watched, he was in a 483 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.900 similar place where he was like, oh, you know, I'm not doing 484 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:43.079 this. 485 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:44.579 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what? 486 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.960 I'm going to step up to the plate and do this. 487 00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.599 Yeah, and that's the thing that's going to happen. 488 00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.339 I think that's okay, though. 489 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.960 You need a character. 490 00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:54.180 If they're all on board, then where's the tension? 491 00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:58.079 And he can't turn, he can't turn it around immediately like that 492 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.019 that wouldn't be, that would be no good. 493 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.839 Like, they can't throw that thread away. 494 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:07.140 I think his character's time. is probably the most obvious 495 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:07.920 character. 496 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:11.579 Whereas I think like zero, there's lots to learn. 497 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.839 No, there's lots to learn. 498 00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:15.720 Rock talk is just massively appealing. 499 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:20.640 The Tellerite is fucking hilarious. love him so much. 500 00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:23.220 So whilst, you know, he's the lead. 501 00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:26.160 I don't know if he's the most interesting of all of them No. 502 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:26.819 Yeah. 503 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.619 It's a great performance though. 504 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.460 It really is. 505 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.279 I tell you what, one thing that really stood out for this, and 506 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.519 this is a bit of a complaint is because obviously we watched the 507 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.200 1st 2 episodes, didn't we? 508 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:40.200 And then we watched the 3rd, which was like a character piece of 509 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.839 them all finding the ship and kind of learning about each other. 510 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:48.359 And I felt those 1st 3 episodes were really quite ambitious and 511 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.359 doing new things, especially the 1st two. 512 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:53.819 I really it really felt fresh. 513 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:58.619 This felt very cliche and a bit unambitious to me. 514 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:04.079 Except though, like the, like, this thing with dreadnaught 515 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:05.700 suddenly coming to get her. 516 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.140 Like each of them are in a world, it turns out, are a version of 517 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:17.400 the ship that's kind of designed to get them doing their thing. 518 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:22.140 And so it's telling the dreadnocturns up in the portion of the 519 00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:28.440 ship that Gwyn is in because she knows him and he was sent by her 520 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:29.759 father and so on. 521 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.200 Isn't that what that's what we did in the 1st episode when they 522 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.220 got away from the planet. 523 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.279 They all had to do their own thing to get away in the 2nd episode 524 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.940 where they all went through a dangerous situation and they all had 525 00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:42.420 to... 526 00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:45.539 You know, I get what they're doing. 527 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.200 I get it's all character building and it's definitely pushing the 528 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.640 narrative of the season along. 529 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.660 Yeah. 530 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:58.140 But this felt, to me, very much like, okay, we've got a new set of 531 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:02.940 regulars. lets put Trek cliche number 17 in and see how they react 532 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:03.180 to it. 533 00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:06.000 And every Star Trek show does this. none of them are immune, you 534 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:06.240 know? 535 00:26:06.299 --> 00:26:08.160 And I think they have to. 536 00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.900 We'll see the anomaly episode. 537 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.640 We'll probably see the time loop episode. 538 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.460 You know, they'll do the works. 539 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.299 But these characters are massively appealing. 540 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.339 And so this is still hugely watchable. 541 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.700 And like you said, visually, very impressive. 542 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:24.839 Yeah. 543 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:30.599 I mean, that thing of getting dreadnock there is so clever. 544 00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:34.440 And it's one of those things where it's like, 0 my god, that's, you 545 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.240 know, like I would never have thought of that. 546 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.380 It would never. 547 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:39.539 Why have they never done that before? 548 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.380 Yeah. 549 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.460 Yeah. 550 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.460 And he doesn't quite look like dreadnock. 551 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:45.420 It's not quite the same. 552 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.819 You know, it's not exactly him. 553 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.480 And in fact, he's got the same sort of colouring as the walls of 554 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.400 the proto stars. 555 00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.960 Who reminds me of. 556 00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:55.980 It reminds me of. 557 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.259 You remember the phantom menace when they had all that that robot 558 00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:00.240 army they were going up against on the planet? 559 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:00.839 Oh, yeah, yeah. 560 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.559 That's what he looks like. 561 00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:02.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 562 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.180 But he's also got a kind of insect head thing happening, which is 563 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:06.660 kind of cool. 564 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.839 It's the only parallels we'll be making with the Phantom Menace 565 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:10.380 here. 566 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.480 I quite like the Phantom Menace. 567 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:13.559 Well, you would, wouldn't you? 568 00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:15.779 honestly. bloody contrary. 569 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:16.079 Yeah. 570 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.319 It's the best of the prequels, finally. 571 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:20.519 Excuse me. 572 00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.440 You've got in Phantom Menace. 573 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:24.000 Did you say it's the best of the prequels? 574 00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:24.660 you kidding me? 575 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.200 Yeah. 576 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.940 Each one gets worse than the person? 577 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.099 Revenge and Sith is my favourite Star Wars film. 578 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:29.880 Dreadful. 579 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.140 Although, do you know what? 580 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.960 It just goes to show, though, you know, because I've been told 581 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.940 recently that Star Trek can't do comedy. 582 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:43.019 Well, I'm telling you now, Murf is a much better comic relief 583 00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:44.220 character than Jar Job Inks. 584 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:45.420 Oh, easily. 585 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:46.079 Yep. 586 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.940 Less racist the whole thing. 587 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.740 And so each of them fails without the other. 588 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.180 The best one is Janken because he's in the fastest one, Pog, and 589 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.099 he just explodes immediately. 590 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.359 And, you know, Dal gets to build the thing. 591 00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:08.819 Oh, here we are. 592 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.039 Poor lonely. 593 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.740 And she uses the time and she has a lot of time. 594 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.660 How much time does she spend there? 595 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.380 Well, it doesn't tell us, but that, and like she's saying good 596 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:25.259 night to everyone and she's got a little stuffed Murf that she 597 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:25.799 sleeps with. 598 00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:27.059 So adorable. 599 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.019 Oh, I know. 600 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:28.920 I know. 601 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.299 I want one. 602 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.079 What if you could buy those? 603 00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:35.339 And she's still eating the shitty food from the... 604 00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:37.140 Yeah, that's the running thief, isn't it? 605 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 606 00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:40.319 And there's she's just been there forever. 607 00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:44.759 Well, no, because actually, on the Gatesman family investigators. 608 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.500 Robert Picardo talks about his dad, right? 609 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.819 and his dad was brought up in poverty and they couldn't afford 610 00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:51.599 proper bread. 611 00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:52.799 So he had stale bread. 612 00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:58.079 And even when he became a very rich man, He still ate stale bread 613 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.019 because no, no, but this is the same thing, isn't it? 614 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.619 Yeah, she's used to the prison food and she doesn't want to eat 615 00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:05.160 anything else. 616 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.099 It's sad though, isn't it? 617 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.180 It's just terribly sad. 618 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.559 She's so good. 619 00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:13.740 Oh, and Gwyn is being so sweet as well. 620 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.000 Like their relationship. 621 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.500 Remember the episode? 622 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.019 Like, she was locked up in the last episode. 623 00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:21.119 And she brought her food. 624 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:25.799 Yeah, despite the fact that that role was reversed, wasn't it? 625 00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:28.740 She was the prisoner and she was the one in prison. 626 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.119 Do you know, it shouldn't work at all this, because they're all 627 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.140 very likeable. 628 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.180 It should be it should be very tedious. 629 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:41.460 But this, like this, she is uncertain. 630 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.660 She's unsure of herself. 631 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.160 I can't, I can't, I can't. 632 00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.900 She keeps saying that she can't do it. 633 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.400 Oh, and she's crying. 634 00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:50.339 Holy crap, that ship. 635 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:51.900 Oh, and look how lonely she is. 636 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.460 And the ship? 637 00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:54.720 That's a beautiful shot. 638 00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:55.079 Yeah. 639 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:55.740 Yeah. 640 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.599 Holy crap. 641 00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:58.500 This ship. 642 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:03.180 Okay. these shots where they're standing on the Starfleet symbol 643 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:03.539 don't they? 644 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 645 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:06.059 Well, it's the theme of the show. 646 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.480 But just the size of the spaces in this ship. 647 00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:10.920 So wonderful. 648 00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:12.779 And she's fixed it. 649 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.299 Rockus fixed Janeway. 650 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:16.980 You know what? 651 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.200 You know, I really love the fact that Janeway. 652 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:20.400 Look. 653 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.960 See, the Tallymark, she's carved into the window. 654 00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:28.799 She's done it for each time she's trying to reboot Janeway and 655 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:29.279 she's failed. 656 00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:32.519 And so she's done it 100s of times. 657 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.640 But finally got it right. 658 00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:36.420 And... 659 00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:39.359 And she's grown up now. 660 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.039 Is she a grown-up buddy of the next two? 661 00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:44.039 No, no, no, no, no. not going to change her to be a grown-up, but 662 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.200 she has been there for a long time. 663 00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.079 She teaches herself... 664 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.880 Like according to mechanics, aren't you? 665 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.859 Yeah, it's so good. 666 00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:01.380 And and the thing is, right, um, It it valorizes science and 667 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:05.039 knowledge and engineering and being a giant nerd and knowing 668 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:05.460 stuff. 669 00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:09.480 That's something to aspire to. 670 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:15.539 And this episode is very geeky with its sine wave and it's weird. 671 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.299 You know, like it just works on a level. 672 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.759 They're all on their own and they're communicating with each other 673 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:21.599 and whatever. 674 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:29.880 But, um, it is nerdy and what she's done is, she saved the ship 675 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:30.720 because she's awesome. 676 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.319 Something that Star Trek has always done, hasn't it? 677 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.859 It's promoted learning and being smart. 678 00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:39.720 Except for enterprise. 679 00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.700 Oh, well, yeah. 680 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.640 But it's basically, you know, like, um, the geek wins, you know 681 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.700 it's, it's, and that is something to aspire to. 682 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.079 And there we go. 683 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.220 We had the group hug. 684 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.220 They're all hugging one another except Murph, who just fell from 685 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:57.599 the ceiling and landed on. 686 00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:01.559 He looks so happy, Luke, on the back. 687 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.799 But that's, I think that's really astonishing that now that 688 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.140 character, Rock, can be used in a variety of different ways 689 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:19.259 through this premise, in this sort of throwaway premise. 90s trip 690 00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:19.920 would not do that. 691 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:25.140 No, Braun and Brains, Jankum, he's so gorgeous. 692 00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:29.099 I read the most handsome Telleride. 693 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.039 I really want the episode for each of these characters. 694 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.619 You actually still kind of like learn more about them. 695 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.779 Like, you want to think, I think half the bat is, if you want to 696 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:41.220 be with those characters, isn't it? 697 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.700 If you don't, you know, we said about Voyager half the time, we're 698 00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:47.819 like, well, if it's a Tom Paris episode, we're screwed, you know. 699 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 700 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.380 Whereas any one of these characters, any one of them. 701 00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.900 There's no dud here. 702 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.799 Can I ask you a question about... the Janeway hologram. 703 00:32:58.859 --> 00:32:59.700 Yeah. 704 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.920 Because I'm a bit confused because she mentions about how the 705 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.680 robot had come onto the ship and taken away her memory. 706 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.660 Yeah, yeah. 707 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.480 So she hasn't known who her original crew is. 708 00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:19.799 So, we, she, she found out that her original crew was Captain 709 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.000 Shakotay. 710 00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.259 And that's all we know. 711 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.680 So the original captain of the protest star was Chakotay, and we 712 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.579 see Chakotay. 713 00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.619 No, talking to her. 714 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.240 He's handsome. 715 00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:32.279 He has some in this. 716 00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:33.660 As it has a cartoon. 717 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.480 Yeah, it's actually a very very good likeness of him. 718 00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:40.140 Robert Beltran, a fabulous voice performer. 719 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.940 Well, he, fortunately, he's only in it a little bit and she does 720 00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:49.740 she does a, you know, Zoom into the centre of the picture enhance 721 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:52.799 and then you can see Dreadnaught kind of peering through the 722 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:53.700 through the thing. 723 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.299 So we do know the dreadnock took over the ship. 724 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.599 So there's some ongoing thing about that, I think. 725 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:04.079 Do we know that this is caught on with kits? 726 00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:05.880 I don't know. 727 00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.980 No, I don't know. really hope so. 728 00:34:08.099 --> 00:34:09.300 Yeah, yeah. 729 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.079 It's properly sophisticated this for children. 730 00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:16.500 I, you know, I wouldn't say as an adult, this is massively fair. 731 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:22.320 But it is for a child audience, this is a cut above the usual sort 732 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.239 of diet that they're fed on Nickelodeon. 733 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:30.000 Yeah, I think that, you know, like, I think the kids' TV is often 734 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.900 more sophisticated than we kind of give it credit for. 735 00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:35.099 I don't know. 736 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.960 I have seen some of the stuff they churn out on the CBC and it can 737 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.340 be pretty. 738 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.579 Yeah. 739 00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.360 Yeah. 740 00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:45.840 But this, you know, it is proper Star Trek. 741 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:48.480 It's not like Star Trek the animated series, which is sort of 742 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.440 super low effort. 743 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.480 We still haven't lost yet. 744 00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.519 I couldn't possibly comment. 745 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.519 I've watched a couple of them. 746 00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:57.780 Low effort, did you say? 747 00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:59.159 Oh, come wait, see no. 748 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.860 Shoddy. 749 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.260 And this is, I mean, this is a beautiful version of Star Trek, like 750 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:10.500 a stunningly good looking one, one that's well acted. 751 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.300 You know, it's got proper people in it. 752 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.500 Just incredibly solid characters and likeable characters. 753 00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:20.820 Remember, I said in the last episode, the Herosion episode about 754 00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:25.260 how I was a massive cynic and, you know, how I can't really buy 755 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.679 into these Star Trek shows that are basically, you know, going 756 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.099 with the premise that we can aspire to be better than all of 757 00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:32.280 this. 758 00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:35.880 Maybe if I'd had a show like this to watch at a certain age. 759 00:35:35.940 --> 00:35:37.380 I wouldn't feel like that, you know? 760 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:42.000 It is absolutely that is pumping optimism into children. 761 00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:43.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 762 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:43.800 Yeah. 763 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:47.460 Like the little girl tries really hard and spends a lot of time 764 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:53.639 because she's lonely and she wants her friends back and presumably 765 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.000 she doesn't want to die in a warp core breach and she solves. 766 00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:02.880 She solves the problem by being smart and everyone's proud of 767 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.119 her. 768 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:04.739 It's so sweet. 769 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.239 But in the same breath, we've got a flying robot and a jelly and 770 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.219 you know, all those other fabulous things as well. 771 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.900 He's a Medusin. 772 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:14.460 Who what? 773 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.000 Zero. 774 00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:15.840 Yeah. 775 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:16.980 Do you know what? 776 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.320 that's a really appealing voice performance. 777 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:23.699 Every time I perk up every time I hear that voice. 778 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.559 He can do comedy too. 779 00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.539 He can deliver a funny line really well. 780 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:28.860 I think he's great. 781 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.000 There was a scene just now where he was sort of super enthusiastic 782 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.659 because he'd worked out the time anomaly and he kind of like heads 783 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:39.719 straight towards Janeway and Janeway's a little bit taken taken 784 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.000 aback by his enthusiasm. 785 00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:45.179 It's just fun, you know, he's he's really good. 786 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.639 I mean, looking at Kurtzman Trek as a whole. 787 00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.079 I tend to do this when we. 788 00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:53.039 I tend to 4 shows or 5 now as a whole. 789 00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:57.360 Like, you know, I'm still not on board with Discovery. 790 00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:59.880 I'm just on board with Picard. 791 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:03.960 I like lower decks, but I think I can take it a little bit. 792 00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:05.280 I'm properly on board with this. 793 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:08.519 Like, I will watch this through and that's probably my biggest 794 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.500 surprise with Cosby Trek. 795 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:19.139 All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode and I am on 796 00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:22.860 untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser. 797 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.760 And I have no idea what I'm doing. 798 00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:32.940 I have no unifying theme here, but I kind of want to do some 90s 799 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:33.900 trek that we haven't done. 800 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.579 Uh, too recently. 801 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.699 And we're a bit voyagered out, I think. 802 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.260 So I... 803 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:48.000 I am going to choose Star Trek the Next Generation, Star Trek Deep 804 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.179 Space 9 and Star Trek Enterprise. 805 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:52.320 Okay. 806 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:53.699 Okay. 807 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.840 Does that sound all right? 808 00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:55.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 809 00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.119 What, 90s track? 810 00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:57.719 you kidding me? 811 00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:58.860 90s track. 812 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.500 And the good 90s trek and the mediocre 90s trek. 813 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.199 Actually, they're all both of those things, aren't they? 814 00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.699 They can be, yeah. 815 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 816 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:11.579 Push the bum. 817 00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.119 Okay, we have a Deep Space 9. 818 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.639 Oh, God. 819 00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:19.920 Blaze of glory. 820 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.699 Oh, that's a, that's a terrific episode. 821 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.599 Yeah. 822 00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:26.159 That isn't it? 823 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:26.820 Properly. 824 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.800 It's like the end of an arc. 825 00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:35.340 It's, um, it's one that really goes into some like, uh, morally 826 00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.840 gray conversation between Eddington and Cisco and who's the 827 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.420 villain of, of their relationship. 828 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.300 It's it's visually quite interesting because we're in the 829 00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:45.840 Badlands. 830 00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:47.880 There's that massacre in it. 831 00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.780 There's some action. 832 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.159 Well, it's up to you. 833 00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:51.599 I think we just do it. 834 00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:52.800 Why don't we just do it? 835 00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:55.440 I don't think we've ever done that before. 836 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:58.800 Jason Thompson will be turning that in his grave. 837 00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:02.880 He said to me the other day, he did... 838 00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:04.500 He went randomly selected. 839 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:04.920 Yeah. 840 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.079 Well, this one's for you, Jason. 841 00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:07.559 All right? 842 00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:21.659 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 843 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:22.739 and Nathan Bottomley. 844 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.400 You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where 845 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.519 you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel. 846 00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:33.420 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was 847 00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:35.099 composed by Cameron Lamb. 848 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.719 This episode was recorded on the 24th of March 2022 and released 849 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.219 on the 1st of April. 850 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.440 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Blaze of 851 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:46.860 Glory.