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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back, and it's Star Trek the Next Generation, and it is an ill-advised late series 2 parter from early season seven.

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It's Gambit, part one and Gambit part two, which is season seven, episodes 4 and five, and they screened on the 11th and the 18th of October, 1993.

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Joe, do you know what Star Trek episode screened in between those two?

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Was it emissary by any chance?

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No, it's later.

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Not move along home.

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No, no, no.

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It is early season two.

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In fact, it is invasive procedures that the day before part two.

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Oh, John Glover. you remember that?

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John Glover is the trail that's going on.

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Oh, why couldn't we watch that instead?

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Sorry, powder dry. powder dry.

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It's actually quite interesting because this does share some themes or some ideas at least with the three-part story that preceded invasive procedure.

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So that the, I think, what's the last of those called?

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The siege.

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Yeah, so the siege airs, I think, the day before Gambit Part one airs.

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And so there's some something in the air, I think.

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And there are certainly DS9 elements or elements that were established on DS9 that appear in episode one and it goes off in a sort of strange direction in a way that Star Trek, the next generation, doesn't really often do.

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So I gather that this was not your favourite Star Trek, the next generation episode that we've ever done.

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The trouble is, I didn't remember a thing about this 2 parser going in.

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And I know I've seen it a couple of times.

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I've done the Next Generation Run a couple of times and I promise you, I will not remember a thing about this in about a month's time.

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I don't think it's ill advised.

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Like when we talked about rise.

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I don't think the instinct to tell, you know, space pirates and Captain Picard joins the space pirate gang and goes around firing at the enterprise and they're going after some great artefact that's going to make them all rich.

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And I don't think any of that's a bad idea.

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I just think it's a bad idea for this show that cannot let its hair down and attack that premise with all the camp and rompiness that it needs.

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And the quotes are all there on memory alpha.

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Jerry Taylor, a bit embarrassed that they're having to do this.

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Branen Bragger saying, I just didn't think this was good from the offset and I didn't really want us to do this at all.

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Ron Moore, whose scripts the 2nd episode going, I was sort of making this up.

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I was hoping it was going to lead somewhere and actually I don't think it did.

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So none of the creatives are sort of on board and given this the sort of thrust that it needs to be like a great episode of Firefly or something like that, you know, cowboys in space.

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It's the sort of thing that Doctor Who could probably do extremely well because Doctor Who has a sense of humour on a regular basis.

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But TNG doesn't.

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And you've told me that there are jokes in this thing, so I can't wait for you to point them out because at no point did I raise a smile, except the very last scene where there is such an obvious joke that I was like, well, they've just gone with that and hallelujah.

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I'm smiling.

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Yeah, I did think that that the crap joke at the end of part 2 is actually pretty fun.

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It's quite funny, yeah.

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It's Riker's reaction, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How are you doing?

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It's Brent.

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I think the way Brent plays it is so perfect.

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And you think Brent, I think Brent in particular has served really well here.

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And I think I think that Patrick Stewart is having fun.

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This is the sort of thing that he asked for when he 1st got Captain's holiday.

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He wanted the chance to be a bit more swashbuckling and to do something a little bit different.

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There's elements of the chase in this and it even gets kind of explicitly referenced.

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And so the people who are wrong.

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And I think it's Braga, like the quote there from Braga saying, I thought from the offset. we should never have done this, that's madness.

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Obviously they should have done it.

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And Berman thought they should do it.

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So there had been an edict from Roddenbury, that there were no space pirates in the future, and we weren't to do space pirates, and that's absolutely wrong-headed.

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Space pirates are great.

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They're really, really fun.

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They work really well in Star Trek.

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We seen it over and over again.

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We did the Serene Squall, which is really terrific.

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Shades of Green.

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Section.

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I do know.

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I'm happy to do sex comedies, which is the campus thing you've ever seen.

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Harry Mudd.

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You know, like, it's very strange, but he doesn't want there to be space pirates.

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Did you actually see the story about Berman, that he puts the, uh, the banana around the bust of Gene Roddenbury every time they did an episode just so he couldn't see what they were actually doing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so I actually think it's a brilliant idea, and the problem is that they can't pull it off, and I think it is because they're really half-hearted about it.

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And you see, because again, this weird thing with 2 partters in this era where it's a different director and a different writer for the 2 parts.

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And the 1st part has some action in it, but is basically pretty kind of ordinary looking.

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So, you wait till we talk about that action sequence on location.

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I mean, you can see everyone hitting their marks in that same terrible.

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So that's Peter Lawrenson.

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And then you get Alexander Singer directing the 2nd power.

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Who is a better director?

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It's substantially better.

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And I think, you know, Naran Shanka, it's his story.

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It's developed with someone else, he gets the story credit for part 2 and shares the story credit for part one and he writes the teleplay for part one.

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But then Ronald D. Moore comes in and absolutely punches the thing up.

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So it is better in part two.

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You think?

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I mean, I was more bored in part 2 than I was in part one.

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I think that what we identify in part two, which is sort of present in part one is the idea that this is in some way about what command is like.

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And so those sort of weird scenes, there are weird scenes in part one where you kind of wonder what was this for?

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Like there's an early scene between Riker and Troy, which doesn't come off.

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It's really not very good.

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Oh, Marina.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And Marina hasn't kind of worked out how to do this.

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Like, I don't think it's a bad idea, but it doesn't come off, but all of that is about what it's like to command and to be in command of a ship, and you have that, and then you have Baran on board the pirate ship, who is also in command, but he has a space method of being a commander, using the neural servo relays and stuff and torturing his, you know, like running the ship in a dictatorial and punitive way. compared to the collaborative way that things work on the enterprise.

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Now, it's all very underdeveloped and stuff like that, but more latches onto both of those things.

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And so he gives, he gives data a fairly good role to play.

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And the other thing that he does too, well, both of them, I think, both halves do interpersonal conflict between the crew in a way that would have been previously forbidden, and it is, of course, warpapered overall very quickly and in a very pat way compared to the conflict that we have on board Baran's ship.

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I just don't buy it.

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I don't buy the conflict.

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There's 2 scenes. which I do want to point out as we go through.

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One is the one between Riker and Troy, and it doesn't come off at all.

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I just don't buy the offer they're having.

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It's overall, but it's also unconvincing and we kind of know we're not losing Picard in this way. and they're really trying to sell it.

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And then it sort of dropped after 5 minutes of the episode where, you know, we're leading up to Picard coming back into the story again.

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And then the scene between data and wharf in the 2nd episode, I was even less convinced by that scene.

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And I like the fact that it was a bit more genial, that scene, and war apologised.

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But I was just like, all the stuff on the bridge where they were sort of bitching at each other.

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I'm going, this just isn't this crew.

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This isn't what they do.

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And I think the writers acknowledge.

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I've seen Ronald D. Moore again.

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We just can't convincingly do interpersonal conflict with these people because they're so nice and they get on all they're like.

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That's why DS9 was created, right?

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It was literally a reaction to the things that they couldn't do in the next generation.

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I don't buy that Picard's dead, but they want me to believe that for a heartbeat.

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They do want me to believe that for at least 10 minutes.

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Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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I don't buy that there would be that bitchiness on the bit.

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I don't buy the space pirates because they're just not fun.

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They're not violent enough.

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They're not silly enough.

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And I just don't think they're greedy enough.

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You know, our pirates always try to murder each other and get the highest reward.

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There's none of that going on.

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They're just standing around on a bridge going, oh, well, I think we should go to this sector.

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I think we should find this.

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Oh please.

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And then, finally, I don't buy at all this great artefact that they're going after, this Romulan device, a Vulcan device.

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Sorry.

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How racist.

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This Vulcan device, which turns people's aggression on themselves.

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And I'm like, wow, we've gone through the last 90 minutes for this.

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And then it winds up being in stockcave set number 52.

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Wow, number one.

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Under lit with wharf.

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Of all people, Wharf having this device used on him who has no aggression and it just sort of go.

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So at no point in this episode, all the beats, it's trying to convince me.

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I'm never convinced.

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And then on top of that, you do have some half-hearted performances and we will talk about that, especially amongst the pirates.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, unbelievably, one of my favourite moments in this 2 part is a Gates McFadden moment.

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And I will point that out.

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Yeah, it's the bit where she goes in the shuttle in episode two.

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It goes, it's so, ooh, no, there doesn't seem to be anything happening in here.

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Don't worry.

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She seems to be the only one having any fun.

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Yeah, she's got the tone more than anybody else.

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And then you add on top of that some really limp action and some very stagey direction.

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I mean, I'll send you a picture of some blocking of one scene on the bridge where it's a long shot, and all the pirates are in it, and then Picard walks into the scene, just so he can be seen amongfies that spot.

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The other pirates.

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But the only spot he could possibly stand in, like you can see him looking for that mark.

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And I'm like, oh, bit, we don't make TV like we used to do.

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Christ.

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But I actually think there's there's something in the air in season 7 of the next generation, which wasn't there in 3 to 6.

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And that is, we're kind of killing the time now.

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The movies are coming and it's there in the scripts and it's a bit there in the performances, but not entirely.

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There are still some good performances in season seven.

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And I think it's certainly there with the directors that have done a lot of this now and I just sort of pointing and shooting a bit before we get to the movies.

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I don't know.

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Just a... a half-arse sickness about it all.

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I think there's a preparedness in season 7, though, to go a bit further in to push things and to be a bit more high concept, to do stories that are in a way kind of ridiculous or sort of format breaking, things like Genesis, that just push things much further than we've had before, and things like phantasms, things like subrosa, things like masks, masks.

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Yeah, all of those things that I think would have been too kind of high concept.

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And so this, I think, is like giving us a last chance to do this, they fuck it up, essentially, but I don't think the instinct is wrong.

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And I do think that giving us a last chance to see data in command, I think, is absolutely worth doing because I do think that Brent is very good in those scenes and not just the scenes where he kind of tells wharf off, but the fact that he's absolutely on top of things and he's really, really good at it.

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And one of the things that Star Trek does, and I know it's not one of the things that you like particularly, but it's that competency porn thing, and seeing data do such a good job of like picking up on Riker's nonverbal signals over the thing, deducing what he's trying to do, you know, having really sort of clear ideas about how to deal with things and tactics and understanding stuff, where in series one, he doesn't understand basic human expressions, now he's like super competent.

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And I really liked that.

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I really appreciated that and particularly, you know, when we pick him up again in generations, he's going to be a fucking idiot again.

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And this is actually one of my favourite Brent performances, I think, outside of, you know, those really classic, you know, Brenti episodes.

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I actually think he probably gets the best work in series 7 because thine own self is in series 7, Phantasms that you've already mentioned, which is a great Brent episode.

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I think he's the actor that masked.

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I mean, they're stretching him in masks.

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I don't know if in directions that are advisable. half-hearted, high concept, I would say, though.

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Like you said, yeah, we should be doing this, but I just can't do it.

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And my big comparison is go and watch Shattered Mirror from season 4 of Deep Space 9.

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So it's the Mirror Universe episode, and it's the one where you've got Worf as the head of the great pirate ship with Garak in a choker and is at his knees, and it's the campus thing you've ever seen in your life.

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Garak goes, look, the intendant.

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She was terrible and snappy and demanding, but at least I was able to please her once in a while and wharf, grabs him by the choker and brings him right up and goes, you are not my type.

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And front of all, and then in another scene, in another scene.

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He's like, he's stolen the key from his choker.

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And Worf goes, Perhaps you swallowed it and stabs him in the gut to try and find.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous, but it's camp as hell.

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It's hilariously played.

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It's everything that this isn't, you know?

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That's right.

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This could have been that.

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You could have thrown Patrick Stewart into the heart of that sort of madness and imagine the fun he could have had.

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Because I think, I mean, I do think that Star Trek the Next Generation is capable of being fun and funny, but it doesn't manage it here.

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And also, the other thing about it is that it's often a reaction against weird or silly Star Trek.

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You know, that's what they want to accidentally make the way to Eden or anything like that.

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And so they're so faced about everything. from Brandon, isn't it?

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We don't want to look camp or silly.

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Why?

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Why not?

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Yeah.

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You wrote the threshold?

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Do you not remember?

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I know that's in the future.

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Maybe you'd given up by that point.

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He thinks that's gritty, though, I think, you know, that's not camp.

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That's horrible.

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That's just embarrassing.

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And, you know, we've seen from Strange New Worlds.

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I think the serene squall, the pirate episode of Strange New Worlds is so much fun and so superior to this and it has a better aesthetic and better acting and an incredible guest star.

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Like Pirates really do work in Star Trek and Star Trek does learn how to do it, but just not, yeah.

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Mentioned it.

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Sorry, yeah.

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Is that what you meant by the link?

206
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Invasive procedures is a load of pirates coming onto Deep Space 9, isn't it?

207
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Sorry, you've already mentioned this.

208
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Tim Ross is there as the Klingon.

209
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And he's having a wonderful time beating the shit out of everybody.

210
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He has a great fight with Cisco, you know, and it's really aggressive and violent.

211
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You know, these 2 big men kicking the shit out of each other in ops.

212
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There's so none of that here.

213
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No, no.

214
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Yeah.

215
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It's a bit unfortunate.

216
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But I have to say that I didn't hate it.

217
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And although I did fall asleep towards the end of part one the 1st time, I watched it.

218
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What a blessed relief.

219
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I was awake for up the entire 2 episodes. since watched it while being awake all the way through.

220
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And, like, I didn't hate it.

221
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And, you know, like, I love Star Trek the Next Generation.

222
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So I was kind of happy watching it, but it isn't very memorable.

223
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I can see why you haven't managed to retain anything very much from it because it's a bit nothing, I think.

224
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Have you noticed where we're at, you and me, with the next generation, in untitled Star Trek project.

225
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You have such a nostalgic affection for it.

226
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And I'm not, I'm not saying that blinkers your critical thinking in any way.

227
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Good grief.

228
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You're above that sort of thing.

229
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But, um, but you will give the next generation a pass if it is limp because you just have warm feelings.

230
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Yeah, for this show.

231
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I don't have it, do I?

232
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I mean, I'm a lot harder on this show than you are.

233
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In a way that I kind of know I'm not even a Voyager.

234
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And maybe I need to get some therapy about that and find out what it's all about.

235
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I'm making afford to be cruel as a voyager.

236
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We've hardly done any of the done shit, have we, this time?

237
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Don't worry.

238
00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.579
Well, I suppose we should go watch this thing.

239
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I'll try and be nice as I can.

240
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All right.

241
00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:42.839
Yeah, I'll try and do that as well.

242
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I won't always succeed, but I'll do my best.

243
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I won't succeed at all.

244
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All right.

245
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I will count as it in that case.

246
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we are off.

247
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Oh, straight into this sort of bar.

248
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Smoky, well, not really smoking.

249
00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.680
No, I think this bar is terrible.

250
00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:06.599
There's no background music.

251
00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:08.220
Why is there no background music?

252
00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:09.480
Why is the line so boring?

253
00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.539
Do you remember that scene we had in alliances where Needix went to the bar and the woman was dancing on the table?

254
00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:16.259
you know?

255
00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:16.680
Yeah.

256
00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.380
And why whenever the women, like, why is Deanna a prostitute in this scene?

257
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Why is she a sex worker?

258
00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:25.079
It just seems ridiculous.

259
00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:30.119
Like, isn't she playing it where he calls her a businesswoman and stuff like that?

260
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Someone owes me money.

261
00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.240
Like, like...

262
00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:38.940
Well, you know, that terrible episode, that terrible episode.

263
00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:50.460
Oh, it's the the very, very boring one we did with the star crossed lovers, you know, the young people who who were from different planets and they wanted to get married.

264
00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:51.839
It was the outrageous O'Connor, right?

265
00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:53.160
Oh, yes, yes.

266
00:19:53.220 --> 00:20:07.079
And remember, we were talking about how primitive and ridiculous their sexual mores were, their ethics, their morality, and how, in fact, we, as 24th century, people don't understand it.

267
00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:09.059
But here we just kind of lean into it.

268
00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:13.619
And I do think the joke about impregnating his sister is kind of funny.

269
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Like, it is an attempt to be funny, but it's just like, really, because 6 seasons ago, they didn't even know what this was, and now we're doing this sort of limp shit, you know, instead.

270
00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.319
I was obsessed by the man's crying.

271
00:20:25.619 --> 00:20:27.660
Clearly he's having a reaction to the makeup.

272
00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:29.400
No, I think it's the makeup.

273
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.240
So he's trying to act his way through the scene, but he's crying.

274
00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:38.940
Unless Marina Service is so beautiful that it brings a tear to his eye.

275
00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.759
Although, Marina, that ain't your best hair, love, all right?

276
00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:43.259
Your hair looks better normally.

277
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:49.619
Yeah, but again, too, like this is, this is preposterous. at that woman's hair.

278
00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.680
Did you sing that woman at the bar there would be insane, amazing.

279
00:20:53.579 --> 00:20:56.279
But like this is kind of something.

280
00:20:56.339 --> 00:21:01.740
It's not, you know, like they don't know that Picard is dead at this point or is supposed to be dead.

281
00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:04.680
They're just looking for him and trying to find out what happened.

282
00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:09.180
Literally the entire fucking bridge crew is down here for no reason at all.

283
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.039
Like, why is the bridge crew down here?

284
00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.200
There's no interior. anything.

285
00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:14.819
We're just like, oh, what's going on?

286
00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.039
Why are they all playing these different parts in this bar?

287
00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:18.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

288
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:20.819
I quite like the light coming through the window Nathan.

289
00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:21.720
That's not a bad.

290
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:23.220
Felician Blighs.

291
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.119
But look, when you see the whole set, I mean, it's absolutely...

292
00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:28.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

293
00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:30.660
But, yeah, I don't know.

294
00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:32.279
I mean, Oh, these jokes.

295
00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:35.700
Oh, yes, um, hello, I would like to introduce you to my friend.

296
00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.160
This is the man whose sister was impregnated.

297
00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:40.079
I'm like, these are not jokes.

298
00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:42.119
What is happening?

299
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:53.339
But I do kind of like how embarrassed Warfy is at saying, oh, by the way, I did tell him a thing and he only finds out what the thing is when this Uridian.

300
00:21:53.460 --> 00:22:00.779
So this Eridian, we 1st see Eridian's in birthright, I want to say, and it's one on board Deep Space 9.

301
00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:06.059
Yeah, in fact, that actor in that makeup, he's in a couple of DS9 episodes, I think.

302
00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.339
Yeah, so he's he's an Iridian.

303
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.400
His name's Iranak, which is canary backwards.

304
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.019
Vasali.

305
00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.240
I seem to notice from the subtitles.

306
00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:21.480
Um, I think that's pretty good makeup, and I do think that that's a pretty good alien design, and they come in different homes.

307
00:22:21.539 --> 00:22:22.980
It's up to HD, doesn't it?

308
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:24.000
That may help quite well.

309
00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:25.740
Yeah, it's not, it's actually not too bad.

310
00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:30.900
So, and we're talking about gold press latinum here because we've had a year of Deep Space 9.

311
00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:38.460
And so obviously we're trying to do some deep space 90 thing, you know, we're on a bar and, you know, I don't know.

312
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.119
Um, and there's intrigue. people are in disguise and stuff.

313
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:44.700
Um, I don't know, because...

314
00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:52.619
Can I ask, is he genuinely going to help them because he has a sister and he doesn't want somebody else's sister interfered with or does he just want the moment?

315
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.559
I just couldn't figure out what all that dialogue was about.

316
00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:02.940
It doesn't make sense, but the crying bartender seems to be threatening him, but then he's there listening. to this conversation.

317
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:05.099
I don't understand how that works.

318
00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:06.059
Oh, do they?

319
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.019
He's got a reputation.

320
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.140
Look at Paul Marina in the back of the, she's got nothing to do at all.

321
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.359
She's just wearing a shower cab.

322
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.519
I did wonder about that, yes.

323
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:17.700
That's supposed to be low-life headwear.

324
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.059
I think.

325
00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:20.279
It's so bad.

326
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.319
I quite like her in the leather jacket, though.

327
00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:23.039
That's quite weird.

328
00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:23.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

329
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:29.460
But like her delivering these lines about DNA fragments and microcrystalline fractures, this is not good.

330
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.740
No, when she comes in with the garden and goes, you know, don't even think about it or whatever she says.

331
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.299
It's so...

332
00:23:37.859 --> 00:23:40.380
These people are just not mercenaries, are they?

333
00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:41.339
Let's be honest.

334
00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:44.279
They're competent space people.

335
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.240
I did like, I have to say, I did like, you know what he said about the sister.

336
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:55.740
Jonathan's reaction when he looks at war from to sort of eyebrow raise, as if to say, that's the line.

337
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.240
That's what we're doing.

338
00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:58.380
That's what we're going with.

339
00:23:58.740 --> 00:23:59.099
Yeah.

340
00:23:59.099 --> 00:23:59.759
Yeah.

341
00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:07.079
In fact, there are a couple of reaction shots of Riker throughout this episode. pretty great in this.

342
00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:08.700
And I had this...

343
00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:13.680
The bit where his jaw literally drops when Galen, a.k.a.

344
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:19.440
Picard walks into the scene and it's into the cliffhanger jawdrop is unbelievably good.

345
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:21.180
It's really great I think he's really funny.

346
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.160
I think he is actually really good in this.

347
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.259
There's moments when he's threatening.

348
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:27.900
I can't even pronounce his name Uranak.

349
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:36.599
He's threatening him later, where there are some smiles in there, which I think are really surprising and like interesting choices that make him seem just less like a thug and a bully.

350
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:46.799
And I also like how when Gates turns up, he says, oh, yeah, that's the sister, that's the impregnated sister, she's really cross.

351
00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:48.960
I just thought, okay, yeah, let's do that.

352
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:55.500
But because they're not having fun, because no one wants to kind of acknowledge that this is that this is them being silly.

353
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:57.660
And usually, right?

354
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.500
Even if the script isn't funny, the actors still find a way.

355
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:07.200
There are scenes in Next Generation that are desperately unfunny as written, but they come in and they're just really charming.

356
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.720
Yeah, yeah, but no one's on board.

357
00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:11.940
I think they're really desperate to rein it back in.

358
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.140
They don't want to do this.

359
00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:14.099
And I don't know.

360
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:15.539
There was a tone me in Napir where.

361
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.180
Brandon said, now, look, this can be boring.

362
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.359
Don't just be too funny. drama, all right?

363
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:23.039
Yeah, serious drama.

364
00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:26.220
And Jonathan's like, I'll get a few eyebrow raising, all right?

365
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.559
Yeah, I think that's probably it.

366
00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:29.640
I mean, you wait.

367
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.440
Until we see Gates in episode two.

368
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:34.259
I mean, she's she's going, fuck you, Brannan.

369
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.000
I'm going to have fun in the shuttlecraft.

370
00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:42.299
But I think Alexander Singer's having fun with the basketball player, he's the Klingon as well, and we're getting there too.

371
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:45.720
Boy, that bloody mute Klingon.

372
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:47.039
Oh boy.

373
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:50.819
Comedy in the next generation, it is an eccentric thing.

374
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:52.500
It is very odd.

375
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.599
It is very, very strange.

376
00:25:55.200 --> 00:26:12.359
So now we believe that Picard is dead because the Uridion says he saw him shot and Troy's empathic ability is so he's accurate and we... many examples in the past where that's not the case that she believes him.

377
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:15.720
And so suddenly we're doing a memorial on the strength of that evidence.

378
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:16.440
Yeah.

379
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:20.220
And the thing is that, of course, we know that he's not dead.

380
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.160
We know that he isn't going to die between episodes.

381
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.539
So not for a second.

382
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:30.119
Does anyone who's seen television before think that the captain is dead?

383
00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:57.420
And so none of this lands, because we know that it's all fake, and it's that usual kind of, like, there's that sort of blokey crap about Riker, you know, um, and, and, and Marina, like, I did like the scene, because again, it feeds into the desperate thread that I'm trying to kind of make the theme here, where it's about command and about how different crews interact with each other, where she tells him off, and she has the right to do that.

384
00:26:57.660 --> 00:27:01.980
And then he pulls rank and then he apologises and it does bookend that other scene.

385
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:12.299
And I do think, like, neither of those scenes quite come off for the reasons that you said, but I do think that it is at least it's an attempt for the two-parter to be about something.

386
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:16.140
I mean, you say desperately trying to pull that threat together.

387
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.019
I mean, I think you're doing a better job than a script, if I want.

388
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:26.160
But the other thing is it does give Marina a chance to not be the bad, not be the good girl that she is all the time.

389
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.960
She doesn't convince though.

390
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.720
When she starts hollering in his...

391
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.460
How selfish are you?

392
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.359
You have got a crew of people who are so upset.

393
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:38.220
It's like, oh, please rein it in.

394
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:44.940
But because she's like she needs to be crying more like she actually needs to be crying and we know that she can do that.

395
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:52.319
Like, remember the scene in Nepenthe where she's showing the card into Thaddeus's bedroom.

396
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.420
You know, she's really good.

397
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.240
The sort of shouting conflict.

398
00:27:57.539 --> 00:27:58.140
Yeah, yeah.

399
00:27:58.140 --> 00:27:58.799
Never works.

400
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.220
Because, and it's not because I think they're terrible actors.

401
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.619
Like you said, we have seen her deliver.

402
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.640
Terrific.

403
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:07.980
But it was also that whole fucking scene.

404
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:09.660
And here's this blocking again.

405
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.700
The scene where he turns to camera and she's addressing his back for half of that thing.

406
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.700
Like, it's a fucking daytime soap opera.

407
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.680
And then in the next scene, we do that again.

408
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.160
But I think there's a better way of writing this episode.

409
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:31.799
Sorry, this scene, and that is, no, it's not because Ryker's a twat and doesn't want to go because he loves Picard so much and he can't face it.

410
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:33.000
It's because he doesn't believe it.

411
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:36.180
That would be a better way of getting him going, do you know what?

412
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.779
I don't feel we've got enough evidence that Picard is dead.

413
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:43.319
Let's maybe not do the memorial yet and try and investigate this.

414
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.200
Why don't we, why don't we see it happen?

415
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.440
What, the death?

416
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.099
Isn't that a stronger, isn't that a stronger thing?

417
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:54.779
They see.

418
00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:58.559
So later on we see Breiker kidnapped by these pirates, right?

419
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:00.359
But why aren't we there?

420
00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:07.259
Why are we investigating this later and we just get this sort of circumstantial evidence that he's dead?

421
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.279
Why'd like to see it?

422
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:15.299
I think that they are savvy enough to recognise that they wouldn't be able to pull it off in a way that we would be convinced.

423
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:24.000
But I think they just think it's more intriguing to start in that bar, looking for Picard, and then the big shock is actually he's dead.

424
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.140
But yeah, I mean, there's no way he'd have an offscreen death, is there?

425
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:28.680
No.

426
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:42.359
But if we saw it, like if he was shot and then we saw it and, you know, like then we don't go into memorial service because it's much rarer than that, we just head off and investigate, you know, like, I don't know.

427
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:44.579
I just...

428
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.500
Yeah, be rude about Paul Roe, Jonathan here.

429
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.720
You've got terrible bags under his eyes in his scene.

430
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:50.279
Is he supposed to have been crying a lot?

431
00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:56.279
No, I think he's just, you know, 14 hour days, long days, you know, they did.

432
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:56.940
That's right.

433
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.200
Michael Westmore was too busy on the Uridian to deal with Jonathan.

434
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.019
They've made them all car Hoover the Walls, you know, the carpet on the walls before they started their shift.

435
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.460
I'm joking, aren't you?

436
00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:11.400
So much carpet in this episode.

437
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:13.799
Yeah.

438
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:15.000
Behind the Admiral.

439
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:17.279
Admiral Hugo flea maintained, may I?

440
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:18.779
Oh, look at those rice cakes.

441
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:20.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:25.859
And he's been taught by Michael Westmore how to eat the food without fucking the makeup.

443
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:27.779
He's doing coding jobs.

444
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.359
Do you know, I'm not happy with these quarters.

445
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.180
Oh, whoops, these are the best we've got.

446
00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:34.500
I'm sorry.

447
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:35.279
That's right.

448
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.519
They really impressed Joe when he was a kid, remember?

449
00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:40.680
Oh, players.

450
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.460
I mean, this was like the ultimate hotel for me when I was a nipper.

451
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.579
That's right What is he eating?

452
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.019
That bread cubes?

453
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:50.220
Yeah, I don't know.

454
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.339
I do really like.

455
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.319
I mean, I mostly like Riker in the scene.

456
00:30:55.319 --> 00:31:10.140
And again, it is kind of foreshadowing about the pirate world that we're meant to enter that we're about to enter because, you know, we've already had Riker and and Worf lying to this guy about what they're looking for and now we have him threatening him and so on.

457
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.500
But, uh, and he's not being sympathetic or anything like that.

458
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.140
It's not a Picard way of dealing with things.

459
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:21.359
That smile, you know, the smile that he does before turning away, like he's amused by him.

460
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.859
I don't know.

461
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.740
I always like seems like this.

462
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:35.220
DS9 did it a lot, you know, where they investigate the snivelling criminal and they interrogate them and intimidate them a little bit or charm them.

463
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:37.140
They're always quite fun.

464
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.000
Well, it's a contrast, isn't it?

465
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:42.000
Between our goody goody characters and the low lives of the galaxy.

466
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.500
Yeah, but it is also just how amused Riker is playing this.

467
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.539
He's not playing it angry until the surprise kind of comes in.

468
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.460
It's a bit, you remember Greyfon Tola from, in the pale moon, like the blue man.

469
00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great.

470
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.700
Or Aberdon from Alice.

471
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.519
You know, they're all sort of the same sort of character, aren't they?

472
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:03.480
Yeah, yeah.

473
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:04.440
Yeah.

474
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:06.180
This guy's doing great job.

475
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.799
Isn't this what Cisco did with Tolai, throw it against the wall, didn't they?

476
00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:14.400
I'm going to send you back to the Klingon Empire and tell them to execute you.

477
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:16.920
Well, that's basically what's happening here.

478
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.819
This is no way to commit diplomacy, Riker, please.

479
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:30.059
He could send him to a Federation pedal colony in New Zealand and he could bunk with the worst, Robert.

480
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:30.900
Well, Tom Paris.

481
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:31.200
Yeah.

482
00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:35.039
Yeah, yeah. that's right Although, now, listen, you said it to me.

483
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:36.359
See, what have we had?

484
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:38.160
One dialogue saying after another here.

485
00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:41.700
There's been zilch in terms of pace or action.

486
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.220
Oh, no, it's really a pirate story.

487
00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:45.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

488
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:48.240
And the scenes are shorter in part 2 as well.

489
00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:50.279
Like the scenes are much shorter.

490
00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:51.299
We just get through them.

491
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.039
It's not just these sort of standing around.

492
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:54.539
There's still plenty of standing around talking.

493
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:55.559
Obviously, it's Star Trek.

494
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:03.059
But look, that's big smile as he leaves again, you know, like... all he's got to do in a scene, his smile, to please you.

495
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's fine.

496
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:04.740
Yep.

497
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:05.819
I love Jonathan.

498
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:06.720
He's charming, you know.

499
00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:13.140
And so he's playing it against the, you know, he's not playing it the way that Archer would have had to play it if he was torturing someone.

500
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.519
Oh, the camera's moving ever so slightly around the table.

501
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:18.059
Oh, no.

502
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:19.619
Now they're all in shot.

503
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:21.539
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:22.319
There you go.

505
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:25.200
Why isn't Jonathan Wheeling the camera around?

506
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.819
Like it's a discovery episode.

507
00:33:27.299 --> 00:33:28.980
That's a disorder, disorient question.

508
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.220
What are those sort of bits of marble that are attached to the table?

509
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:33.000
Did you see it?

510
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:34.980
Uh, the legs.

511
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.119
They keep the table up off the floor. right up onto the table.

512
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.140
Yeah, yeah.

513
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:41.940
Usually the legs are underneath the table.

514
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.099
No, then it goes up onto...

515
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
I mean it's very dramatic.

516
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.940
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

517
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:48.599
It's the leg.

518
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.140
We like to show everybody that we can afford marble on this shit.

519
00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:52.980
Yeah, all right.

520
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.299
Yeah, I think it's granite.

521
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.619
Oh I did like this.

522
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.079
Now, look, you're not going down onto that planet, mister.

523
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:58.559
All right.

524
00:33:58.619 --> 00:33:59.819
You're the captain of the ship now.

525
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:01.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

526
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:17.280
But again, all of that stuff about command and leadership, and this is him questioning, you know, what we see later, him questioning the commanding officer's decisions in private, that he'll tell Wharf off for not doing the same thing later, even though it's written by someone different.

527
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:20.219
You know, the scenes kind of backend one another.

528
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:20.820
All right.

529
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:31.980
So we're on location here, but the Jabalite rocks are so bad that for a while I was going, maybe it's just, you know, the set from Hollow Pursuits with really good lighting.

530
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.199
Like they actually managed to make the location look worse.

531
00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:35.460
I look.

532
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:42.900
This is so, but there is no attempt to disguise the fact that they have just gone round the corner from the Paramount lot, is it?

533
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.780
I mean, this is just so 1990s America.

534
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

535
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:47.880
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

536
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:48.179
Yeah.

537
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.960
No, it's terrible.

538
00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:51.420
And it's nothing like an archeological side.

539
00:34:51.480 --> 00:35:00.000
And you said things about through the lens of time, which I thought were reasonable, in that it was boring, in the same way that a TNG episode is often boring.

540
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.099
But it made archeological research look sexier and more interesting than this.

541
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.440
Oh, it was epic. those great caverns.

542
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:15.119
This is just a few, like I've been to any number of archeological sites, and this is the shittest one I've ever seen.

544
00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:16.739
Like it's so boring.

545
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.719
It just looks like fabulous.

546
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.340
Just stay in Pompeii, Nathan, you know?

547
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely glorious.

548
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.780
And they obviously can't afford that.

549
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:27.420
And look, they've just put one pot there.

550
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.500
A single pot.

551
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:29.460
Yeah.

552
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:37.260
And this now, I, I, I, notice it more now than I did back in the day of the you shoot, they shoot.

553
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:39.179
They shoot, they shoot.

554
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.420
And don't get me wrong, DS9 is as guilty of this sometimes.

555
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.099
And so is Voyager.

556
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.480
But it's sort of this infancy period where it's so state.

557
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:49.739
Oh, what's this?

558
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.059
Tell me about this woman, please.

559
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.739
Ensign Frizzy hair.

560
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.659
So this is Ensign Justy Justy.

561
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.340
Sabrina LeBeuf, who was Sondra Huxtable in the Cosby Show.

562
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.940
So the oldest Huxtable Child in the Cosby Show.

563
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.099
I used to love the Cosby show when I was younger.

564
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.659
She was huge.

565
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:10.380
Do you know what I mean?

566
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:11.460
She wasn't eating it all the time.

567
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.139
I think eventually she gets a hot husband.

568
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.940
Oh, I have to tell you about this actor here too.

569
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:19.260
So there's a woman here, Ensign Kellogg.

570
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.420
She is a security and tactical officer.

571
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:22.980
You called her ensign hairstyle before.

572
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:24.659
And her name.

573
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.679
Ensign Kellogg.

574
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:26.760
Ensign Kellogg.

575
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.920
And she is in 41 episodes of Star Trek 3rd generation.

576
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:32.940
So you know before.

577
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.320
We have definitely seen her before.

578
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:37.559
And she's also in generations and 1st contact.

579
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.460
She does play some other minor parts, like as aliens and things as well.

580
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.159
She is a, you know, like common thing.

581
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.440
And she's a transgender woman.

582
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:47.519
Her name's Cameron.

583
00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:50.039
As far as I can tell, she's a transgender woman.

584
00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:54.480
And so this is our 1st transgender on Starfleet Ensign.

585
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:54.900
Yeah.

586
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:59.159
Wow, I mean, I never, ever would have thought that from next generation.

587
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:00.539
I know, I know.

588
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.099
And she's stealth, you know what I mean?

589
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.699
Like, I don't know that people knew that she was transgender or whatever, but I don't know.

590
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:17.159
I don't know what happened in the production thing, but when I saw her, I was like, I have definitely seen her in dialogue scenes before without lines given sort of over the top reactions to what's being said.

591
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:18.420
Yeah.

592
00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:19.199
She's that person.

593
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:20.579
Yeah, she's great.

594
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:21.539
She's really good.

595
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:22.320
Kellogg.

596
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:23.639
I mean, have you eaten the cereal?

597
00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:24.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:29.699
But that, I mean, it's named after a guy called Kellogg, you know, like, it's Kellogg's.

599
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:34.559
I don't think the girl from the Colesby show was horribly stiff.

600
00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:37.500
She has no idea of how to play this.

601
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:44.880
I don't know how, but season 7 seems to have the very worst bridge lighting of all the seasons.

602
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.400
It's so flat.

603
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.860
Well, it's sort of peach lounge colour.

604
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.119
It's so undramatic.

605
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:52.920
I don't know what they're going for.

606
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.300
You're right, you're right.

607
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:55.019
It really is.

608
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:56.280
It's very warm isn't it?

609
00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:01.019
So imagine going into a wine bar, meeting your friends in there, couldn't you, you know?

610
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:03.840
But they're trying to do a fucking action sequence, innit?

611
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.760
That must be why they react against and say, right, void is going to be fucking gray.

612
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:10.380
Like, it's just gonna be gray.

613
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.079
Just practical lighting in the set.

614
00:38:13.139 --> 00:38:13.860
That's all we want.

615
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:15.239
Yeah.

616
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.940
Oh, she's getting quite a lot of lines, actually.

617
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:20.579
No, and like, it's a pretty thankless job.

618
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:30.539
You know, that line from Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest, where it's just, I'm just reading out the things the computer says and that's the only job I've got to do. do it.

619
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:32.519
So that's her.

620
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:34.980
She's doing that for her, isn't she that line?

621
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:36.300
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

622
00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:38.219
That's basically it.

623
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.599
Because we don't see anything.

624
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:43.380
We don't get to see any of the things that she's narrating.

625
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.079
I mean, she's basically doing a messenger speech at this point.

626
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.860
Do you realise that with the completion of Gambit, we have now done all of the season 7 2 partters?

627
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.099
Well, I mean, we did half, we did descent, didn't we?

628
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.340
and we've done this and we've done the finale.

629
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.559
I think that's all the 2 parters this year. maybe.

630
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.719
Yeah, they didn't do that many.

631
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.099
There's is some...

632
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:06.900
Homeward.

633
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:07.860
No, that's just one part.

634
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:08.820
That's one.

635
00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:09.300
Yeah.

636
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.639
I do think this could have been one episode.

637
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.460
Oh, yeah, there's not going to cut out.

638
00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:15.480
I made it 45 minutes.

639
00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:18.420
Like, why, I don't know.

640
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.679
This is them on holiday.

641
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.659
This is them doing something different.

642
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.599
Birthright, again, doesn't work as an epic 2 parter.

643
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.460
It's got, you know, some stuff about data, which doesn't make it to part two.

644
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:35.400
It's got the Deep Space 9 crossover and the thing with Julian, which is really charming and great and, you know, really fun.

645
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.619
But it basically goes nowhere.

646
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.460
It's a fairly shitty sort of Klingon story in part two.

647
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.039
Why isn't this epic?

648
00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:48.719
Why don't we keep the 2 parters for something where we have a really epic premise?

649
00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:53.760
And the epic premise isn't everyone thinks John Luke Picardi's dead for the 1st 20 minutes.

650
00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:55.079
Do you know what I mean?

651
00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:56.579
That's because no one's going to buy that.

652
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.199
It's the whole.

653
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:02.760
Like when when we're committing an hour and a half to this or 2 hours.

654
00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:07.800
Yeah, for the conclusion to be in stockcase set and just about a bit of pottery.

655
00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:10.619
Like, I mean, it's so limp.

656
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:18.719
Like, you said, we've just had that three-part DS9 season 2 opener, which use that time to have scenes.

657
00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:20.280
Do you remember on the Cardassian camp?

658
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:28.739
It had scenes on Bajor in the 2nd episode, and then it's a massive sort of action epic in the siege to get the station back.

659
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.280
Yeah, yeah.

660
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:30.840
So they use that time.

661
00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:31.800
Oh, now, come on.

662
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.820
It's the pirates.

663
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:34.440
Okay, here are the pirates.

664
00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:42.960
So the pirates are, as usual, in a redressed version of the Battle Bridge, and it's a small set and it's very fucking pastel.

665
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:52.800
I was just, it was really giving kind of, um, uh, the Nagus's house on Ferengana, you know, with the just pastor.

666
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:57.900
You want it to be like grungy and greasy with chains hanging.

667
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:58.320
Do you remember?

668
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

669
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. something like that.

670
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:06.599
This is just like we said in Rise.

671
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:07.980
This is just sort of redressed.

672
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:12.599
Well, that's the sets are boring, though, in 90s track.

673
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:16.860
I mean, it is just they put the Lego together and lighter.

674
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.800
And like the fucking carpet, like the carpet everywhere on the floor is so...

675
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.539
I wish I put a limitation on that.

676
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.119
Pirates should not step off carpet.

677
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:31.860
Now, I was distracted by the fact that the main guy here.

678
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:32.579
What's his name?

679
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.199
So this is Baron.

680
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:40.199
Arcus Baron has a... similarity to Bonnie Tyler.

681
00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:44.940
And I was just thinking about total eclipse on the heart every time he turned up.

682
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.659
Because the only thing that's camp about him is his hair.

683
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.039
He's really not play, he's really not very good.

684
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.500
Is he like, he doesn't look tough.

685
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.340
He looks stupid, like Michael... a strange voice.

686
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:07.860
That's the one thing I liked about it is he's got this sort of weird, growly, purring sort of voice of the type you don't usually hear in Star Trek.

687
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:11.639
Oh, this woman here, the redheaded pirate.

688
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.599
She's just there to exclaim dramatically every now.

689
00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:17.039
We're never going to get out of this.

690
00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:18.840
You know, that's great though.

691
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:19.739
I think she's great.

692
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:20.519
That's a good look.

693
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.460
She is, of course, in the passenger.

694
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.440
Is that Kajada from the passenger?

695
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.420
Oh, she's fabulous in that.

696
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.760
She's so dramatic.

697
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:44.699
This thankless guy with that weird nose, like he's got a tiny nose, like he's like a fucking bikey or something with a tiny nose, and he looks stupid. do the passenger before.

698
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:45.719
Have we covered that?

699
00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:46.800
I don't think we've done the passenger.

700
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:54.059
That's got, do you remember, it's got the best ever into the advert brake cliffhanger and it's her, the pirate.

701
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.960
They have a dialogue scene and she's waiting outside the infirmary to come in and say her line.

702
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.760
And then she walks in and goes, that's exactly what he used on Verada 3.

703
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.679
And then...

704
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.780
Were you literally waiting to come in?

705
00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:13.739
That, like, could only come in at the end of this dialogue. so funny.

706
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:17.639
So that is, we just got Riker's reaction.

707
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:25.139
That is a very good cliffhanger and it is actually worth waiting the 24 minutes for, I guess, like finally...

708
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:27.000
Picard is not dead.

709
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.400
But, you know, you had kind of long enough to forget.

710
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:39.599
Obviously, in that tiny fucking room, how did Riker not notice him, he was facing the other direction, but you would have recognised Patrick Stewart from the back, I would have thought.

711
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:43.320
Just imagine him in a choker, though, Nathan, right?

712
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:46.980
Mr. Lion mane here, holding the chain.

713
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:49.440
You know, the whole slave, very different.

714
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:50.699
So funny.

715
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:51.480
Oh god.

716
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:53.099
Yeah, no.

717
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.340
You wouldn't think that Michael Dorn would make a good...

718
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:05.099
So the other guest star here is actually our real proper villain, and that's Robin Curtis's Telera.

719
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:13.079
And of course, she is in, is she in 2 Star Trek films as Savik?

720
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.119
Is that Savik?

721
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:16.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:16.739
Yeah.

723
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.159
So not, not, what's a face from cheers.

724
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.619
Mad Margot weirdo.

725
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:23.340
What was her name?

726
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.679
I loved her so much. she was so horrible at the end.

727
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:26.699
Kirsty Alley.

728
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.840
Yeah, Kirsty Alley.

729
00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:28.139
Awesome.

730
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.519
Oh, she was great fun.

731
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.940
This is a very boring character, though.

732
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:37.920
Well, but I think that she actually kind of leans into the part.

733
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:40.260
She knows how Star Trek is played.

734
00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:44.760
And I think she does do the, I'm a pirate. villain, I'm a Vulcan.

735
00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.519
And, you know, like, I do actually like the sparring.

736
00:44:47.579 --> 00:45:02.760
If it's going to be called Gambit, I think it's called Gambit, partly because of the way that he, she and he outwit one another, like it's not, it's not counterpoint standard, but there is some kind of way, what is?

737
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:04.800
I mean, counterpoints, brilliant.

738
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:08.159
But it is, it's that sort of thing where in the, God, look at these 2 people.

739
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:10.079
Holy shit, why did we watch this show?

740
00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:11.219
have crazy hair.

741
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:12.059
I don't understand.

742
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.579
Can't you just be a pirate with normal air?

743
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.260
It's the 90s, 80s.

744
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.420
They all look like they're going to a Mad Max convention.

745
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.559
Or maybe a rock concert.

746
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:24.179
Yeah, but the thing about the Orion pirates and stuff in lower decks.

747
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.420
You know, they all seem to have half their head shaved, like Tendi and stuff.

748
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.079
I don't know.

749
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:29.699
Oh, you remember a size?

750
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.960
Is it because they're well odd?

751
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:31.559
Is that right?

752
00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:32.400
Yeah I don't know.

753
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.019
Yeah, that's it, because they're well armed.

754
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:35.639
So they have sort of modern hairstyles.

755
00:45:35.699 --> 00:45:42.840
So these ones have very period sort of October 1993 hairstyles, essentially, or perhaps a bit earlier.

756
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:48.119
You say like it gives Patrick a chance to play something different.

757
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:57.179
But all he gets to do really is occasionally be violent and throw around a few threats, but they really could have pushed this.

758
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:57.840
Oh, yeah, yeah.

759
00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:00.900
But he is, like, he has a different voice for Galen.

760
00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:09.119
It's funny, too, when he suddenly snaps into Picard again and you can tell that you can audibly tell the difference between...

761
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:18.420
But also, I do think that, and again, they should have lent into this, but the way that Jonathan and Patrick play it in, say, Picard series 3.

762
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.420
You know, the fact that they've just been friends forever.

763
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:25.079
Like that's this here, you know, it's just the 2 of them.

764
00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:31.500
They're not part of the command structure, particularly no one else is here, and they interact with one another in a fun way.

765
00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:35.639
And I do think the way that they just punch one another in the face is pretty great.

766
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:45.300
And the, for the time that, that, that Patrick Stewart punches uh, Jonathan in the face and and he just goes, looks so shocked.

767
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.099
It's it's really great.

768
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.699
It is pretty good.

769
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:51.119
Did you see that cheap arse panel where he was just playing about him?

770
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.079
Oh my god.

771
00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:55.619
It looked like my whole speaking spell I used to have when I was a kid.

772
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.579
That's it.

773
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.039
I mean, I mean, in classic...

774
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:02.099
I just feel like that's money sort of...

775
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.920
Did they spend it all on descent and all those ball costumes?

776
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.699
No, the sets are always like this in Star Trek, the acceleration.

777
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.440
They're always this fucking cheap.

778
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.760
They spend it on Jabalite rocks on bringing Jabalite rocks.

779
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.500
Did you not be the director, you know, on this location?

780
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.280
Do you not think he said, well, look, it just looks like a forest clearing in California?

781
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:22.199
Should we add some mist maybe?

782
00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:24.960
Some filter, maybe?

783
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.300
knite it differently or something like that?

784
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.460
No, we're just like, we've had a walk in the park, you know?

785
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.260
place they really do that in TNG is in descent, isn't it?

786
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.800
Like where they use a filter to try and make the planet seem more alien.

787
00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:39.659
It's not something they do very much at this point.

788
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:43.440
It's definitely something they get better at as 90s trek goes along.

789
00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:47.460
There are some good planetary landscapes in DS9 and in Voyager as well.

790
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:49.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

791
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.619
Okay, yeah. what are we doing now?

792
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.239
Why are they stealing the artefacts?

793
00:47:55.500 --> 00:48:06.659
So they're looking for 3 artefacts that together produce a weapon that is less efficient and effective than a big gun.

794
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:15.420
So is this sort of, are we sort of doing the chase again, you're sort of chasing around some great McGuffin.

795
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:16.980
Well, I think I think so.

796
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.519
And I think that there's, I think the chase is actually a really successful episode.

797
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:25.500
I like I was a bit iffy at the time, but I do quite like it.

798
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.800
It's just a direction, again, it's so flat, the direction.

799
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:36.360
But the idea is good and then having all the aliens in it and then they're all coming together and the big revelation is fabulous.

800
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.800
Yeah, I think it's really fun.

801
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.639
I think it's really good.

802
00:48:38.699 --> 00:48:43.260
It's the basis of the main plot of the final series of discovery.

803
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.239
Oddly, and it's where the name Galen comes from, isn't it?

804
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:54.059
Like, uh, Professor Galen, isn't that because?

805
00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:56.699
That's Picard's archeology professor.

806
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.980
Archeology professor who appears at the beginning of the chase, remember, and gives him that the statue thing.

807
00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:02.820
That's right.

808
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.820
Yeah, the guy from, is he from...

809
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.260
They remember the continuity point.

810
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

811
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:30.119
There's another continuity point coming up as well, I think, or may have come up already, where Picard describes Riker as a substandard officer, who was relieved of command during the Cardassian incident on Minos Corva, which is what Captain Jellicoe does to him in chain of command.

812
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:37.920
Like that's a reference to chain of command, a much better uh 2 part uh mid-season 2 part story from the previous year.

813
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:50.039
I would have preferred if this scene here between Picard and Riker, actually with, you know, Rikers, with Picard's guys dropped, had come a bit later.

814
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:52.920
I wouldn't like Riker to have stewed for the whole 1st episode.

815
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:54.119
Yeah, yeah.

816
00:49:54.780 --> 00:50:00.960
Yeah, but it seems a bit easy now with, oh, actually, I'm playing along and this is the plan and da da da da.

817
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:01.500
Okay, fine.

818
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.300
So there's no suspense again then.

819
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.880
Well, I mean, there was never going to be suspense.

820
00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:16.139
Like at no point are we ever really genuinely going to think, and no one else on the crew genuinely thinks that Picard or Riker have decided that they're pirates now.

821
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.059
You know, I'm going to be a pirate now.

822
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.679
Like, no one could believe it.

823
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.300
I can't say, do you know what?

824
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.800
I'm quite enjoying it actually.

825
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:23.760
Yes.

826
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:25.380
Stop being to show you something fun.

827
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.639
That's what, you know, Anson Mount would have done that in Strange New World.

828
00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:30.239
Yeah, yeah.

829
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:32.400
I remember that next time, you know.

830
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:41.699
That scene at the end of the Serene squall where he's talking like a pirate on the bridge and Una's going, no, no, no, please, you have to stop.

831
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:45.179
Like, like, that is so much fun.

832
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.179
I've just remembered Do you remember in crossover.

833
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:50.159
Cisco was a pirate, wasn't he?

834
00:50:50.219 --> 00:51:01.679
He popped in to give things for the intendant, and he turned up, grabbed hold of her, and snogged her over the bar, and said, it's good to see you too, intendant, you know, like, he's having a great time.

835
00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:04.860
Oh, Picard, just chill out a bit.

836
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.239
Yeah.

837
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.599
Can I can I take us back to the direction just for a 2nd?

838
00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:13.440
Because I let the next episode play on.

839
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.780
And the next episode is Phantasm.

840
00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:25.139
So I only watched site a couple of scenes and it opens up with this incredible fish eye lens because it's a dream sequence of data looking down.

841
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:37.920
And then they've taken out part of the wall and they're sort of um, millers banging away in the in the guts of the enterprise and it's really striking and vivid and kind of haunting.

842
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:40.619
And I'm like, they can direct well.

843
00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:41.880
Yeah, yeah.

844
00:51:42.059 --> 00:51:46.980
So it's the amount of effort the particular director is willing to put in.

845
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:58.199
And I think about stuff like, um, what's that amazing episode where they all go to the holodeck and they're all having the same nightmare and they are bringing together the nightmare, a bit at a time?

846
00:51:58.260 --> 00:51:59.280
They're insects in the dark.

847
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:00.360
Schisms.

848
00:52:00.659 --> 00:52:02.219
That one or frame of mind?

849
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.440
Those are astonishing scenes in that.

850
00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:07.199
They can direct really dynamically.

851
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.219
So I just don't get why that isn't the case all the time.

852
00:52:11.579 --> 00:52:12.000
No.

853
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.800
And certainly this episode is worse than the one to come.

854
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:23.760
We did get that reaction from Riker to being smacked in the face by Picard, which is so great.

855
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.280
And again, like I love Jonathan.

856
00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:33.179
Jonathan is so effortlessly charming. uh, um, in a way that bacular, he's able to match.

857
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:44.579
I'm not sure you can salvage much of the scripts here, but I think you could salvage the enjoyment factor had somebody like Jeffrey Coombs played the lead pirate.

858
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.239
Because I think everything in this sort of revolves around that character.

859
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:49.139
Yeah.

860
00:52:49.139 --> 00:52:53.099
So if that was a big funny performance.

861
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:01.260
I think how the actors are around him would be different, you know, how Picard interacts with him would be really different.

862
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.360
He is a bit like, oh, God, are we pirating again today?

863
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:07.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

864
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:09.599
It's a very low-key performance.

865
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:10.199
It's very odd.

866
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:10.739
He's big.

867
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:12.840
He's a get. you know, he never doesn't work.

868
00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:15.179
He's he's in everything.

869
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:22.619
Um, this is his only Star Trek, but, but he's really, I just don't think he's very good.

870
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.380
I mean, you know, again, to compare Gene Simmons, you know, we've had guest actors come in.

871
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:34.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. who have gone somewhere in the stratosphere and delivered wonderful entertainment.

872
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:37.139
Well, I was thinking of the guy from the most toys.

873
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:38.099
Do you know what I mean?

874
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.360
Who is genuinely funny, but also shockingly cruel and evil as well?

875
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.099
You know, like he's...

876
00:53:44.099 --> 00:53:44.880
We found him annoying.

877
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:48.840
Rasmucin in, you know, it was memorable at least.

878
00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:50.099
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

879
00:53:50.699 --> 00:53:51.360
This guy?

880
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:52.800
What are we going to remember about this man?

881
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.019
Apart from his Bonnie Tyler hair.

882
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:56.280
Yeah, terrible.

883
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:58.139
Just that forehead as well.

884
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:00.420
Yeah.

885
00:54:00.900 --> 00:54:13.860
I think I remember being aware of Robin Curtis at the time because I, by the time I watched this, I had watched all of the original Star Trek films and I did like her a lot and I think I was looking forward to her as a thing.

886
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:22.380
So I think she's probably a get, you know, like she's probably a, someone that they're excited to have, and they give her the villain's role.

887
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:24.420
That line there.

888
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.420
I mean, it's the least pirate line you're ever gonna hear.

889
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.940
Do you know, I think we should avoid a battle actually.

890
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:33.239
And then the headmirate goes, Yeah, good idea, yeah.

891
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.579
Yeah, I hate those.

892
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.079
You should be full steam ahead. and destroy them all and get the riches.

893
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:47.280
Oh, no, you please justify these scenes of Picard cataloguing archeological finds.

894
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:58.800
So again, the archeology thing that I quite like as a thing that we've established from Picard and that they, you know, it's there in the chase, is it before then?

895
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:00.719
Yeah, it happens holiday.

896
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:06.119
He's been looking at pieces in his quarters quite a few times.

897
00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:06.900
Yeah, yeah.

898
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:13.739
And, like, I like that again, like, it's not really very much like what archeology is actually like or anything like that.

899
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:23.219
But it gives him, like, he needs to be plausibly useful and it's a skill that we've been leaning into lately.

900
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.500
And so I don't mind it.

901
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:29.340
And I think that that makes it, you know, that gives it this.

902
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.420
Again, the sort of capery Indiana Jonesy thing that it should have had.

903
00:55:33.780 --> 00:55:39.360
You know, finding ancient artefacts and assembling them across time is absolutely a thing.

904
00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:42.599
Tomb Raider leans into this, yeah?

905
00:55:43.260 --> 00:55:44.579
Archeological pieces.

906
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:47.400
There are not prolonged scenes of Lara Kroft.

907
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:49.440
Cataloguing, wrong.

908
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.380
Archeological vines, because that's really boring.

909
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:57.599
She's coming into ceilings from ropes and things and grabbing them and running away.

910
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:59.760
I don't know Yeah, we can't afford that.

911
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:04.679
This is not the sort of material I expect to see in a pirate romp.

912
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:06.179
No, no.

913
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:16.500
And in the past as well, when Picard's talked about, I always say you can listen to anybody talking about any tedious subject as long as they talk about it with passion.

914
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:22.559
And I know there are episodes where he's going, my God, you know, the ruins oncestors 8.

915
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:24.119
And they're there.

916
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:26.460
We discovered a whole new civilisation.

917
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.719
And he's like, here, he's just like, look, if he wants these catalogues, all right?

918
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.460
Tell him I'll take my time and that's that.

919
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:33.960
I mean it's just so boring.

920
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:34.800
Yeah.

921
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:42.300
But I mean, it's essentially here it's just business so that he can talk with Talera for a, you know, a very prolonged scene.

922
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:45.420
What's astonishing, Nathan, is this scene isn't enough.

923
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:51.000
There is a 2nd cataloguing scene, Impal 2 with her, where he and her talk, yeah.

924
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:56.099
Maybe that's where this as a one partter would have helped. could have just got rid of one of those.

925
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

926
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.619
Yeah, I absolutely think that this is prolonged in a way that it absolutely doesn't deserve.

927
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:07.260
And when you think about Voyager mid-season, um, two-parters, they tend to be epic.

928
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.719
Like they tend to have a big thing.

929
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.059
Oh, they're like TV movies, aren't they?

930
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:13.380
Doc frontier.

931
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:13.920
Absolutely.

932
00:57:14.099 --> 00:57:17.219
Also one we did in the in France in the war.

933
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:18.420
The Hirogan one.

934
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:19.440
Killing game.

935
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, killing game, I think is incredible.

936
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.539
Things like workforce, I think, is pretty amazing.

937
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:26.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:31.679
They're big and epic and that they they kind of threaten to change the premise in some way.

939
00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:34.019
But even Next Jane can do it, right?

940
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:34.980
Chain of command?

941
00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

942
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:40.800
You know, where they go off on that dangerous mission and then it all gets contained in that one room in the 2nd part.

943
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:42.239
Yeah, yeah.

944
00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:59.639
I was a little bit thing about that at the time, and I'm not super convinced it's as good as everyone says it is, and it kind of operates on the assumption that no one's read 1984, because it rips it off so kind of embarrassingly, just nakedly, in a way. potent scenes in it, though.

945
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:00.300
David.

946
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:00.780
It is pretty good.

947
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:01.860
I think it is pretty good.

948
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:08.639
Well, I think you've got David Warner and Patrick Stewart, you know, may they rest in peace, both just absolutely nailing it.

949
00:58:08.699 --> 00:58:13.980
Both, you know, incredible titans of ridiculous genre TV.

950
00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:22.199
With DS 9 that they use the 2 parters as massive tent poles to change the direction of the entire show.

951
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.579
So we did, what do we do?

952
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:27.960
In perpetry shadow and buying phone out. you know, and there was some sweeping change in that.

953
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:31.440
Yeah, things like paradise and home front or whatever it is.

954
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.219
Is that what we're called?

955
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:33.239
Home front and Paradise Lost.

956
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:34.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

957
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:37.800
And the die is cast, you know, like over and over again.

958
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:38.940
They do these.

959
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.599
So it's less sort of is the content epic, but you know, when you are moving things on.

960
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:47.400
It just feels epic, doesn't it?

961
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:48.599
Nothing's the same again.

962
00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:54.719
Yeah, that's not really available to TNG, with the exception, I think, is best to both worlds, but redemption.

963
00:58:55.860 --> 00:58:57.239
Redemption, maybe.

964
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:57.900
Would the Klingons?

965
00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:14.639
In fact, I was going to mention redemption because redemption part 2 actually has a fair amount in common, you know, the someone challenges data's command style, which is a big element of redemption part two, which I think is done a bit better here.

966
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.400
He's got so much eye makeup.

967
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.840
The problem with that man is, he just doesn't feel dangerous at any point, does he?

968
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:25.980
He feels like you could sort of just sneeze and blow him over.

969
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:31.559
Well, he's no, he's fairly hefty and he's using quite a lot of mascara as well.

970
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:35.940
I mean, I think like he's too easily defeated as well.

971
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:58.320
It's just like at some point, that theme which is literally always on his fucking belt, somehow Galen gets hold of it and reprograms it so that it kills him when he presses the buttons somehow, you know, and we never see that happen and it's all just he presses the kill Galen button, kill kills himself, and then that's it, you know, it's pretty crap.

972
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.800
I just I just keep coming back to all the other pirates.

973
01:00:01.860 --> 01:00:04.619
Do you remember Bashira as a pirate and shattered mirror?

974
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.440
What do you want me to do with all these torpedoes?

975
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.260
And I, Brian goes, I've got a few ideas.

976
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:11.400
Do you now?

977
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.619
I mean, he's doing the accent.

978
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:14.760
They're so fun.

979
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:17.820
I mean, the outrageous O'Connor is a pirate.

980
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

981
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:19.679
And he was great.

982
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.579
Imagine O'Connor and as the head of this pirate gang.

983
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:24.360
Yeah, yeah.

984
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

985
01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:33.480
So I really like, I mean, I really like data in this.

986
01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:34.920
It doesn't really sort of land.

987
01:00:34.980 --> 01:00:39.780
We're getting quite close to the end of part one to this shitty, shitty cliffhanger.

988
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:42.539
It's the worst cliffhanger.

989
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:45.059
TNG ever put out.

990
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.900
I mean, are we ever supposed to believe this was going to be the end of the enterprise?

991
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:49.739
No.

992
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.199
And like the freeze frame as well.

993
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.300
It's just like, what are you thinking, you know?

994
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:55.260
What?

995
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:56.639
steaks here.

996
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:01.800
But, I mean, this is functionally the same as the Cliffhanger and Best of Both Worlds, part one.

997
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.559
Where the, how do we get out of this?

998
01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:06.420
There was no way.

999
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:14.039
No, our missing commanding officer is on the on the screen and he's about to shoot at us and what are we going to do?

1000
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:15.780
You know, like it's literally that.

1001
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.199
Instead of a giant locutus, we've got giant Jonathan's bonds.

1002
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.000
So what's not worth it?

1003
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.380
compared to that.

1004
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.179
It's really just shitty.

1005
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:25.679
That's like a shitty version.

1006
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.300
That, sadly.

1007
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.760
I mean, imagine if Bonnie Tyler was the person responsible for bringing down the Enterprise.

1008
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.539
It would have been a very limpending to the next generation. right.

1009
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:42.840
And he's like pastel fucking...

1010
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:45.840
I mean, he looks like he's put the volumeizer on 10, doesn't he?

1011
01:01:46.019 --> 01:01:48.599
It's so embarrassing.

1012
01:01:48.659 --> 01:01:50.460
It's an and it just looks stupid.

1013
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.840
I do think this is Michael's best lookers wharf in next year.

1014
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:58.320
Oh, yeah. season seven. tone the hair down a lot.

1015
01:01:58.920 --> 01:01:59.519
Yeah, yeah.

1016
01:01:59.579 --> 01:02:03.300
Oh, they give him the big ponytail, you know, it just looks really good, I think.

1017
01:02:04.260 --> 01:02:09.960
And you know, Brent, Bravo, you sell it, you know, like, you know, are we going to attack or not?

1018
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:20.400
The actors are giving it a go, but because the whole thing is built on a card, a house of cards of deception that just don't convince, the cliffhanger doesn't convince at all.

1019
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:21.539
No, it's terrible.

1020
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:22.199
It's terrible.

1021
01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:23.460
But I think Brent does a great job.

1022
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.059
I mean, this is, as I said before, one of my favourite Brent performances, I think.

1023
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.360
Even worse than the Cliffhanger is the resolution.

1024
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:37.920
I mean, I just couldn't believe how, like, we were waiting a whole week for them just to go, oh.

1025
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:39.900
The bridges wobbled a bit.

1026
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah.

1027
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:41.820
Did it cause any damage?

1028
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:42.780
No, it is.

1029
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:44.880
Oh, boy, stretcher than a sail as well.

1030
01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:46.619
Yeah, yeah.

1031
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:51.000
Are we even going to close up with a big button and then a fucking freeze frame.

1032
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:56.880
And it's got to have looked worse on the original 1993 broadcast because that's the remastered.

1033
01:02:57.059 --> 01:02:59.880
That's the remastered special effect, and it's still terrible.

1034
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.159
Do you know what I mean about?

1035
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:03.539
Season 7, no.

1036
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.980
So I know we're going into the 2nd episode.

1037
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:14.880
There is just a feeling of we're a success and we can kind of put out reasonably competent television and that's all right.

1038
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:22.619
I don't know because I don't know that anyone, you know, who's making a successful TV show has ambitions that low.

1039
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:27.179
Like, I don't think they're deliberately seeking to put out things that are unmemorable.

1040
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:34.800
I think that they're running out of ideas and steam and that because Moore said that.

1041
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:40.380
He said, like, that's why we did so many family episodes in series 7 because we just didn't know what to do with these characters.

1042
01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:41.099
Yeah.

1043
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:42.719
We'd exhausted them of anything.

1044
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.420
Yeah, and I mean, that's what it's about.

1045
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:46.380
That's not what it's about.

1046
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.880
It needs to be about sort of more elaborate space problems and they definitely try and do that.

1047
01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:54.960
Like they definitely try and push it in directions that they haven't done before.

1048
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:58.260
But it's just never as tight and never as successful.

1049
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:08.280
And I just remember at the time feeling a bit iffy about 6 in a way that I don't now, and then feeling that 7 was pretty disappointing.

1050
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:14.820
And when I look down that list of episodes in seven, there are a lot of ones that I think are really pretty good.

1051
01:04:14.820 --> 01:04:23.820
But there is a kind of overwhelming sense of tiredness and it's a lot of TV, like 726 episode seasons.

1052
01:04:24.179 --> 01:04:27.539
You know, it's more than twice the number of original track episodes.

1053
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.920
And I don't know why they went for seven, you know, like it just seems to be too many.

1054
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.199
I, uh, you know me.

1055
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:36.659
The great comparer of Star Trek.

1056
01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:40.199
So, you know, I watched, um, it's only a paper moon after this.

1057
01:04:40.260 --> 01:04:47.400
I thought, oh, I'm just going to put on just a quiet episode of DS9 series 7 and just the difference between the two.

1058
01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:51.059
I mean, there, the actors are so engaged with what they're doing.

1059
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:53.880
That's Ron Moore again, right?

1060
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:57.059
But you can tell he's pouring his heart and soul.

1061
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:05.400
And it's just about people that convince you on the screen, so when there's conflict between them, It comes across realistically.

1062
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:09.659
And I know, I know they were as exhausted in series 7.

1063
01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:10.980
They were ready to stop those actors.

1064
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:11.880
Yeah, yeah.

1065
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:17.460
But there's just no sign of it in the production, I think, in the way that there is here.

1066
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:19.920
Yeah, it's...

1067
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.559
Curious thing, series 7, and we have done a lot of it.

1068
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:31.260
And, you know, you are a lot kinder to some of the more dismal experiments than I am, such as Genesis, which is a great episode.

1069
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:34.500
Is there one of my favourites a lot?

1070
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:37.500
Sometimes I listen back to that episode, you know, and here I was arguing.

1071
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:38.219
It was quite fun.

1072
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:45.719
But I suppose we should go and watch something less fun than Genesis now and watch Gambit Part 2.

1073
01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:47.519
Inevitably.

1074
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:49.800
So I will count us in.

1075
01:05:52.260 --> 01:06:01.980
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off, and we're doing the previously on Star Trek, the next generation.

1076
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:03.780
See if I can do my best, Majel.

1077
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.780
Last time on Star Trek, the next generation.

1078
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.960
I mean, didn't you love hearing those words when the show came back?

1079
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:11.280
so good.

1080
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:12.119
Oh, was it?

1081
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:13.800
And now the conclusion.

1082
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:14.639
The conclusion.

1083
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:15.840
Do they do that?

1084
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.300
The start of Best of Both Worlds, part two.

1085
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:20.159
I mean, that was the best word.

1086
01:06:20.699 --> 01:06:22.019
Unfortunately.

1087
01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:26.159
The cliffhanger resolution was dreadful, but...

1088
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:26.880
I was still excited.

1089
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:29.099
Here we go.

1090
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:30.719
Nice walk in in the park.

1091
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:37.380
Well, I do think that that battle sequence looks really great when it's just like 5 seconds long.

1092
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:40.260
They're finally editing it.

1093
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:40.800
Oh my.

1094
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:41.639
That's right.

1095
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:48.719
I actually was worried that I would run out of time to rewatch this before recording because I'd watch it a week earlier.

1096
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:54.659
And I thought maybe I should just... 25 speed.

1097
01:06:55.019 --> 01:06:56.159
Oh, my word.

1098
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.739
It would fly great.

1099
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.739
It would be the length of a lower deck episode.

1100
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:05.519
How wonderful.

1101
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.860
It would have to be twice that to be the length of Lower X episode, but it would still be pretty great.

1102
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.320
I mean some people do that with podcasts, don't they?

1103
01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:18.059
I'm sorry, I've tried, but I hear the voices sounding like Daffy Duck and I just can't do it.

1104
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:21.480
Oh, here we go.

1105
01:07:21.539 --> 01:07:22.440
The cliffhanger.

1106
01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:23.039
Fire.

1107
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.000
Why?

1108
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:24.900
Press the red button.

1109
01:07:25.260 --> 01:07:30.599
I thought the cliffhanger was going to be Picard pressing the button and I thought that's the only way this could be any less dramatic.

1110
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:32.219
It was just the bum.

1111
01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:35.219
No, I mean, that could have been okay.

1112
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.079
But we did get and now the conclusion.

1113
01:07:37.739 --> 01:07:39.360
They just sort of wobbled a bit.

1114
01:07:39.420 --> 01:07:40.019
No one else did.

1115
01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:41.940
Brad did a great wobble.

1116
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.039
That was the effect of our cliffhanger.

1117
01:07:44.099 --> 01:07:45.059
Just a bit of wobble.

1118
01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:45.960
Okay.

1119
01:07:46.019 --> 01:07:46.440
Yeah.

1120
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:50.099
No, in fact, now he has to pretend that the ship is damaged.

1121
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:51.059
And it's this stuff.

1122
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:56.039
Release inertial dampers and cut powder decks, you know, like I just think, yes, give me some orders, Brent.

1123
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.300
Show us job.

1124
01:07:57.539 --> 01:07:59.219
Show off the damage.

1125
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:00.059
No, they can't.

1126
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:01.019
They can't.

1127
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:01.920
Well, there's no damage.

1128
01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:02.820
They didn't do any damage.

1129
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.260
They're having to pretend there's damage.

1130
01:08:05.099 --> 01:08:06.900
Well, it's not very dramatic then, is it?

1131
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:12.420
This shot, this shot in the battle bridge where we're shooting from the thing is so much better.

1132
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.960
It's still shit, but it's so much better than last episode.

1133
01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:20.399
Did you see how you had Picard and one pirate at the front of the shot there?

1134
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:25.020
And then the 3 of them in the middle, all at various stages behind.

1135
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.380
I mean, that was beautifully...

1136
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.239
Everyone was in the shop given a reaction at various parts of the set.

1137
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:34.079
Well done.

1138
01:08:34.859 --> 01:08:35.340
Yeah.

1139
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:42.899
So as I said before, this is Alexander Singer, who tends to do a better job and Ronald D. Moore, who is a better rider, I think.

1140
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:44.640
I would even get my fists out.

1141
01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:45.180
I so angry.

1142
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:48.420
That pirate captain just said, we've done enough damage.

1143
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:50.880
No pirate captain says that.

1144
01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:54.539
You say full steam ahead and give him a bloody nose.

1145
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:57.239
He is no kind of pirate.

1146
01:08:57.300 --> 01:08:57.659
I'm sorry.

1147
01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:58.979
No, he's terrible.

1148
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:00.720
But you see, I love this.

1149
01:09:00.779 --> 01:09:02.819
I'm aware of the tactical situation, lieutenant.

1150
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.359
And then Marina comes in with a bit of a look, which was pretty good.

1151
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:08.520
I look at Michael absolutely cheesed off.

1152
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:09.960
Excuse me.

1153
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.300
I am the tachco officer around here.

1154
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:22.920
Well, I thought what was good too. was that that you do get these reactions and stuff from Marina to how.

1155
01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:27.960
I mean, it's sort of pathetic because as usual, they just don't give, they put Marina on the bridge and don't give her anything to say.

1156
01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:32.279
But she is at least kind of underlining the conflict between the 2 of them.

1157
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:38.399
And, and like when, when Worf says, actually, I always do, do that.

1158
01:09:38.460 --> 01:09:39.659
I do that all the time.

1159
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:43.739
It's my job on this show to announce a course of action, which is wrong.

1160
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.500
You know, it's, it's, that's what Worf does.

1161
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:49.199
Just like that.

1162
01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:49.500
Yeah.

1163
01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:54.300
It's my job to say something dumb and violent and suggest...

1164
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.960
The joke could have been data going, and you do that adeptly, Mr. Haw.

1165
01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.159
Something like that.

1166
01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:07.140
But then it becomes about, you know, being 1st, you know, you know, his 2nd officer or whatever, which whatever, that's fine.

1167
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:09.000
I just, I'm like you.

1168
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:14.159
You said it the other week about conflict in 90s trek, yeah?

1169
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:15.720
Just because there's conflict.

1170
01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:18.600
It doesn't mean it's good and it doesn't mean it's convincing.

1171
01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:20.460
And we were talking about a Voyager episode there.

1172
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:25.680
I think we were talking about Twisted or something like that. where it was all just very phoney.

1173
01:10:25.739 --> 01:10:33.180
But this is a show which is kind of sold on a group of people that get on and work well together.

1174
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:44.039
And that's sort of when they're out there, when they're at 10th forward and they're having a party and they're all, they're Rikers playing his instrument and they're all cracking jokes and guyness there being witty.

1175
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.300
That scene in the ready room between wharf and data.

1176
01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:50.520
I understand both their positions.

1177
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:52.500
I just don't buy the conflicts.

1178
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:58.680
I just think I think it gives the chance for Brent to do a good job and that's what I liked.

1179
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:02.460
It's nice that he's right here because do you remember when they do him?

1180
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:03.119
what is it?

1181
01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:04.439
Ace redemption, isn't it?

1182
01:11:04.500 --> 01:11:09.420
where he's in charge of the ship and everyone's against him and the episode comes down on him being wrong.

1183
01:11:10.739 --> 01:11:12.479
And him having to apologise, I think.

1184
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.420
No, so he's on the Sutherland or something?

1185
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.119
He's on a different ship and some guys riding him.

1186
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:25.439
And then there's another one where Geordie, remember Geordie's in command in the Arsenal Arsenal of Freedom?

1187
01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:31.140
which also mentions the planet Minos Corva as it happens.

1188
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:40.140
Um, uh, uh, and there's that guy, the guy with 3 names who's an engineer who keeps telling Geordie what a terrible job he's doing.

1189
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.300
I can't remember his name, but I can see his face.

1190
01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:46.319
The 2nd he said, he announces his 3 names every time he's on the screen.

1191
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:48.119
Leyland T. Lynch.

1192
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:48.840
There you go.

1193
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:49.859
There you go.

1194
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:51.899
It was in there somewhere.

1195
01:11:54.420 --> 01:11:56.279
Oh, now watch Marina here.

1196
01:11:56.340 --> 01:11:59.399
I don't know if she gets a line, but she's got some good sort of reacting acting.

1197
01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:02.100
Yeah, it's too often.

1198
01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:03.960
I give it a do.

1199
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:04.800
She a counsellor.

1200
01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:16.619
No, I mean, she's, we've all moved up here and that's the other thing that I kind of like, but Data's the commander, but now he sits down and re-sequences the thing because he's obviously better at that than everyone else as well.

1201
01:12:16.979 --> 01:12:17.939
I kind of like that.

1202
01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:20.340
He should have said, again, it was Charles Richard.

1203
01:12:20.460 --> 01:12:21.180
You are a counsellor.

1204
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.520
Please come out the seat and I'll actually do my job.

1205
01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:24.000
That's right.

1206
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:28.920
I'll do the thing Man, can't there be the lower decks version of this?

1207
01:12:29.100 --> 01:12:31.439
would be absolutely full of jokes like that.

1208
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:32.880
Yeah, yeah.

1209
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:42.300
Yeah, so again, see, this is a very standard Star Trek scene, but it's the pirate version of it, right?

1210
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:46.319
How long will it take before we get back on our feed?

1211
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:52.020
And he says 5 hours and then Baran says, you have 3 or I'll kill you.

1212
01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:55.500
But that's absolutely a standard Star Trek interaction.

1213
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.479
Isn't it between the chief engineer and the captain?

1214
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.000
But here's how we do it in pirate world.

1215
01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:06.899
So you can see that you can see that more is trying to lean into that, even though it's not a particularly thrilling scene or whatever.

1216
01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:11.640
Oh, I've just thought of another episode that is a great...

1217
01:13:11.699 --> 01:13:12.239
Oh, hang on.

1218
01:13:12.300 --> 01:13:14.399
I've just sort of watched Riker hitting Picard.

1219
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:18.420
It's like, I've been wanting to do that ever since you said it.

1220
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:22.619
Don't let me make an asthma myself with children on the Far Point episode.

1221
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:32.460
It's the moment where Patrick Stewart, it punches Jonathan's stunt double in the face in part one.

1222
01:13:32.579 --> 01:13:33.239
Did you know that?

1223
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:34.260
The travelling stone.

1224
01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:35.460
Right, again.

1225
01:13:35.819 --> 01:13:46.439
What we needed there was somehow for Patrick Stewart to walk off that set and have a wryly amused look on his face that nobody else can see, but he's sharing that moment with us.

1226
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1227
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:49.920
There's none of that, is there?

1228
01:13:49.979 --> 01:13:52.739
Again, think of answer some mouth. what you would get.

1229
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:55.800
You'd be going, yeah, yeah.

1230
01:13:57.300 --> 01:13:58.439
Soldiers of the Empire.

1231
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:22.439
Ronald D. Moore wrote soldiers of the Empire, and that's about Martoc and his band of Klingon pirates going about the place. and it's literally climaxes on war for Martoc having a fight to the deaf over the command structure and someone getting a knife in the gut. and again, it's all the sort of forgive me. of a pirate story that's lacking here.

1232
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:24.600
Yeah, yeah.

1233
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.819
You know what I mean when I say Uarinus?

1234
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:28.560
Yeah, no, I think that's a word.

1235
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:30.659
That's a, it is the only word.

1236
01:14:32.699 --> 01:14:34.079
Oh, well, here we go.

1237
01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:36.239
Back to scanning archeological pieces.

1238
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:37.739
Yeah.

1239
01:14:38.100 --> 01:14:38.520
Yeah.

1240
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:40.319
Nathan, did you know that?

1241
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.319
The Tecreon profile match is 90%.

1242
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:43.859
I do.

1243
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.359
So it's definitely our thing.

1244
01:14:45.420 --> 01:14:48.060
It's our thing that we're looking after this, looking for.

1245
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:50.579
This is the Vulcan artefacts that we have been looking for.

1246
01:14:51.060 --> 01:14:51.600
It is.

1247
01:14:52.140 --> 01:14:53.340
It is a 3rd of it.

1248
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.539
But isn't it just that when it's in the last scene?

1249
01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.039
They don't add anything to it.

1250
01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:04.260
No, there's it's got a D8, like a, like a, 8 sided dive.

1251
01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:06.960
This is a Dungeons and Dragons reference.

1252
01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:25.140
It's got a, it's got a little um, uh, a sort of octahedron thing, um, which, uh, they get off the giant Klingon, uh, and then there's these sort of crab pincers thing, which are apparently on Falcon.

1253
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.779
So it's there are 3 bits of it, apparently.

1254
01:15:28.979 --> 01:15:31.380
I don't think there are still new things to learn about you.

1255
01:15:31.739 --> 01:15:33.479
I didn't know you was a D&D Stan.

1256
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. when I was a kid.

1257
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:36.720
Yeah, of course.

1258
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:38.399
God, I mean, giant nerd.

1259
01:15:38.460 --> 01:15:42.420
Like, best possible kind.

1260
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.020
Well, you teach me D&D when you come over here then.

1261
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.460
Let's have a game shopping.

1262
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:47.880
Yeah?

1263
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:50.460
In between episodes of Star Trek, of course.

1264
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:51.119
Obviously.

1265
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:54.720
Only the worst ones, though.

1266
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.880
I mean, look at the pirate now.

1267
01:15:56.939 --> 01:16:00.119
He's got his legs crossed over, sitting on that comfortable chair.

1268
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:01.500
And a giant comfy chair.

1269
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:03.239
Power pyro.

1270
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:10.319
He's got a little kind of lovely things on his on his dining table in the front of the shot as well.

1271
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:11.520
Yeah.

1272
01:16:12.060 --> 01:16:15.000
I can't tell you how amusing it is with that choker, right?

1273
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.560
Every time Garrett pisses him off.

1274
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:21.539
He literally, he swings the choker and Garrett goes flying around the set.

1275
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:28.619
It's the gayest thing you're ever going to see in. and it's Dawn...

1276
01:16:29.819 --> 01:16:30.779
It's funny.

1277
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:33.720
Oh boy.

1278
01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:35.880
What's happening here?

1279
01:16:35.939 --> 01:16:38.220
This is a very, very boring scene.

1280
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:39.420
It's very static, isn't it?

1281
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.279
Look, that camera hasn't moved for a while.

1282
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:42.659
No, no.

1283
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:45.779
He said to Jonathan, will you move towards the camera?

1284
01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:47.760
So it looks like there is some movement in this scene.

1285
01:16:47.819 --> 01:16:50.520
I know, the camera moves here to get that 2 shot happening.

1286
01:16:50.579 --> 01:16:51.359
That's very exciting.

1287
01:16:52.140 --> 01:16:54.539
So are they just hoping to sell the artefact then?

1288
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:55.680
Back to the Vulcans.

1289
01:16:56.220 --> 01:17:05.159
Yeah, but what they don't realise is the evil Vulcan separatist Savik is on board dressed as a Romulan.

1290
01:17:07.140 --> 01:17:12.539
It's always much more fun, you know, when there's a great big treasure chest dripping with jewels that they're going after.

1291
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.420
I still think like a Vulcan artefact.

1292
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:18.960
Well, but but you know, like the Vulcan artefact.

1293
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:24.239
It's like the Ark of the Covenant from, you know, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

1294
01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:30.539
It's a, you know, an ancient artefact from mythology that has this power, like I absolutely get it.

1295
01:17:30.779 --> 01:17:39.180
And it has a sort of cheesy, like a ludicrously cheesy Star Trek message about peace and things, which I just think, yeah, it's Star Trek.

1296
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.600
If you don't have violent thoughts, then they can't be used against you.

1297
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:50.159
But the defence against this, this is peace, the defence against us fighting one another and killing one another.

1298
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:54.060
The defence, the thing that puts a stop to that is deciding not to do it anymore.

1299
01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:55.859
You know, like that's fine.

1300
01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:56.819
I think that's okay.

1301
01:17:57.539 --> 01:18:02.819
If you used to believe on any circumstance, that Worf does not have a violent fault rattling around in his brain.

1302
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:04.560
But I mean, that's the point, isn't it?

1303
01:18:04.619 --> 01:18:06.840
The point is that we say it happened to Picard.

1304
01:18:06.899 --> 01:18:11.220
We say it happened to the, to what's his name, VCor and Naric.

1305
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.500
We see them killed.

1306
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:18.960
Then we see it fail on Riker and on and on wharf.

1307
01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:20.699
It even fails on Wharf.

1308
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.619
Because although Wharf can be violent.

1309
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:26.460
If he needs to, he's not just, you know, he's not showing any aggression.

1310
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:30.539
The way isn't that no one has any aggressive thoughts or any anger or anything like that.

1311
01:18:30.659 --> 01:18:36.239
It's violent impulses, and if no one's being violent, if we're having peace, then we, you know, it doesn't work.

1312
01:18:36.779 --> 01:18:39.479
I'm just thinking of like, have you seen the Goonies?

1313
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:41.220
That's another great pirate story.

1314
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:48.479
Where the climax is in that fabulous cavern with that huge pirate ship and loads of jewels and action and fighting and things?

1315
01:18:48.659 --> 01:18:49.319
No, no.

1316
01:18:49.380 --> 01:18:57.840
This climax is in a very tiny cave set, underlit, 3 actors, and a boring Vulcan artefact.

1317
01:18:57.899 --> 01:19:01.260
I mean, is it really, really bad?

1318
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.079
It's just not as epic as it might have been.

1319
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:05.159
No.

1320
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.380
And I think I remember even thinking that at the time.

1321
01:19:07.619 --> 01:19:14.579
I, like, I have a little bit more sympathy with the idea of, you know, assembling this thing assembling this thing.

1322
01:19:14.699 --> 01:19:22.859
I mean, again, it's kind of what Discovery season 5 does, is assemble a big artefact, you know, that we find bits of.

1323
01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.039
I bet that was epic, though, in a way that this isn't.

1324
01:19:26.100 --> 01:19:31.979
I bet they were down in casinos and planets and things and having great adventures, you know, it...

1325
01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:35.699
You know what I could imagine them doing in Kursman Trek, because I've got the money now and the effects.

1326
01:19:36.060 --> 01:19:38.939
Steam punk technology pirates.

1327
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.880
Imagine that, robot pirates and things. would be great.

1328
01:19:42.779 --> 01:19:56.279
But I still think that big, huge fat, um, green Orion Irish guy, who's the pirate in the serene squall, who cooks for all of the other pirates, and he's really shit at it, and they're really angry about it.

1329
01:19:56.340 --> 01:19:59.340
You know, they want to get Anson Mount to cook for them.

1330
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.420
Like, he's awesome.

1331
01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.479
That fellow that was in the bar. you remember?

1332
01:20:03.779 --> 01:20:05.399
Um, it was a bar own.

1333
01:20:05.460 --> 01:20:06.899
I think it was a Strange New Worlds episode.

1334
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.100
It might have been a discovery one.

1335
01:20:08.579 --> 01:20:12.960
He would have been, and uh, he was sort of camp and cheesy.

1336
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:14.760
He would have been a great pirate as well.

1337
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:16.380
Yeah Was that in all in?

1338
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:17.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1339
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:17.760
Yeah, yeah.

1340
01:20:17.819 --> 01:20:18.720
Yeah, he was good.

1341
01:20:18.779 --> 01:20:19.380
He was good.

1342
01:20:19.500 --> 01:20:26.939
Look, did you see that little moment where Data at the end of that episode does the Picard maneuver.

1343
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:30.119
Like...

1344
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1345
01:20:31.979 --> 01:20:32.699
It's really good.

1346
01:20:33.300 --> 01:20:37.979
Whilst I don't really like the scene, I do like when Brent has an edge to his voice.

1347
01:20:38.220 --> 01:20:39.779
Yeah, throughout that.

1348
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.140
It's not quite angry, but it's getting there.

1349
01:20:43.380 --> 01:20:48.779
It's a sternness to his voice and it's it's creepy in a way that when he tries to play evil.

1350
01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:50.460
That's the sin.

1351
01:20:50.579 --> 01:20:53.520
It is in no, it's restraint's always better, isn't it?

1352
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:54.300
Yeah.

1353
01:20:54.359 --> 01:21:03.899
Yeah, but I think it's really good because, you know, he's goofy and funny and a silly character and a loveable character and to have him just be sort of super concentrated and competent and stuff.

1354
01:21:04.140 --> 01:21:05.460
I think it's really good.

1355
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.380
Like, it's always cancer development.

1356
01:21:07.979 --> 01:21:13.020
I wonder if this is more looking at dissent and going, we need to salvage this a bit.

1357
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.359
Yeah, maybe bad for Brent.

1358
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:16.500
Yeah, yeah.

1359
01:21:16.619 --> 01:21:20.039
But I think it's like I said, they do it again and again and again in seven.

1360
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:24.960
And in fact, he gets a nice couple of roles in, um, God, what's the finale called?

1361
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:25.439
All good things.

1362
01:21:25.739 --> 01:21:27.720
Trembling, there's the old guy in the library.

1363
01:21:27.779 --> 01:21:28.500
Yeah, it's great.

1364
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.060
It's wonderful. terrific.

1365
01:21:30.779 --> 01:21:33.359
But then they've always loved Brent, haven't they?

1366
01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:36.239
And Data, and they've always spotlighted that character.

1367
01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:38.819
If only Troy and Beverly Crusher.

1368
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:42.659
Well, they're women though.

1369
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:51.239
If Diana Moldar stayed on, you better believe, come series 6, she'd have been going, oi, I want 10 episodes a year or I'm off.

1370
01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:53.159
Yeah, that's right.

1371
01:21:55.260 --> 01:21:59.699
But so I do think there is something about these 2 working together in isolation too.

1372
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:06.779
Like, I think that is kind of fun, and I do think that's where we end up with them by series 3 of Picard.

1373
01:22:07.020 --> 01:22:10.979
You know, the 2 of them are back together doing this sort of thing.

1374
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.460
I'm staggered at how beige this says.

1375
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.739
It's just remarkably boring.

1376
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:18.600
The colour of baby sick, isn't it?

1377
01:22:18.659 --> 01:22:20.039
It's too bad.

1378
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:21.060
Quite revolting.

1379
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:22.500
Yeah, shocking.

1380
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:26.399
I mean, yes, everything's overlit.

1381
01:22:26.460 --> 01:22:27.899
It just looks terrible.

1382
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.319
Oh no, here's the fellow with the frizzy hair again.

1383
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.140
So his name's Narik.

1384
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:37.619
And he's a bikey with a tiny nose.

1385
01:22:38.340 --> 01:22:38.880
That's right.

1386
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.220
He's got a nice big bell on though, isn't he?

1387
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:42.720
What's all that hanging down?

1388
01:22:42.779 --> 01:22:44.579
Oh, well, he's got treadlocks as well.

1389
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:48.899
He's not only got a massive frizzy poem, but he's got dreadlocks.

1390
01:22:49.260 --> 01:22:51.840
Do you remember when, do you remember when...

1391
01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:54.479
Did you see her coming in the room there?

1392
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:55.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1393
01:22:55.979 --> 01:22:59.399
She's almost as good as Kai Kajada there the way she.

1394
01:22:59.460 --> 01:23:00.000
Yeah, yeah.

1395
01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:00.539
Yeah.

1396
01:23:00.539 --> 01:23:01.680
Slipped into that.

1397
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:02.699
I was just waiting outside.

1398
01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:03.960
Yeah, Tom's come in.

1399
01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:09.119
How'd you finish your dialogue scene?

1400
01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:09.840
Oh, good.

1401
01:23:09.899 --> 01:23:10.260
Right.

1402
01:23:11.819 --> 01:23:12.720
Oh so funny.

1403
01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:15.180
But again, that's a pretty good cliffhanger.

1404
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.159
You know, she comes in and says, who the hell are you?

1405
01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:19.739
I'm going to shoot you with a big gun unless you tell me who you are.

1406
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:21.420
That's pretty good like he's been wrong.

1407
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.039
That's very small gun, actually.

1408
01:23:23.579 --> 01:23:24.779
Yeah, that is true.

1409
01:23:25.619 --> 01:23:26.520
It is pretty bad.

1410
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:31.260
There are some good phases in this, but TNG has shitty guns.

1411
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:33.180
Like those Dustbusters are terrible.

1412
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:34.680
What were they thinking?

1413
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:40.979
The one thing I liked about the action sequence in the 1st episode was when they were firing, it's like, you know what I mean?

1414
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:46.500
It was like constant bolts coming out, whereas, you know, they're very boring Starfleet phases, just, boo, boo.

1415
01:23:46.859 --> 01:23:47.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1416
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:54.420
There's a bit of that light up in the in the scene where we board the Enterprise a bit later on.

1417
01:23:54.479 --> 01:24:01.020
I mean, I don't know how to tell you this, but we have just had one, 2, 3, 5 protracted dialogue scenes now.

1418
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:03.539
Like, there is no pace for this.

1419
01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:06.779
No, no.

1420
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:13.260
But if we've had 5 scenes in 18 minutes, we've up the pace a bit from that part one.

1421
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:15.539
Is that our game?

1422
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:17.100
Is it faster than the 1st part?

1423
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:18.539
We are doing better than part one.

1424
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.300
I think part one is more leisurely and more talky than this.

1425
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:28.859
We did have the big gunfight, but we later on have a fairly standard invade the enterprise thing.

1426
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:30.359
Even this seemed right.

1427
01:24:30.420 --> 01:24:33.119
You see how Patrick Stewart is playing this scene.

1428
01:24:33.180 --> 01:24:37.199
So he's finding out that she's the mole here on this ship, right?

1429
01:24:37.380 --> 01:24:39.899
But now imagine that in Kurtzman Trek, yeah.

1430
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:41.520
I don't know.

1431
01:24:41.579 --> 01:24:43.380
I imagine there'd be some flirting going on.

1432
01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:46.979
Yeah, it's so stiff.

1433
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:47.939
Yeah.

1434
01:24:48.239 --> 01:25:03.420
So originally the idea was that the Vulcan separatists wanted to move Vulcan out of the kind of space-time continuum into a parallel thing so that it would have no alien influence so that it would be completely isolated.

1435
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:04.859
For this story?

1436
01:25:05.340 --> 01:25:06.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1437
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:08.579
Oh, actually quite a fun idea.

1438
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:10.439
And then they said, no, we can't do that.

1439
01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:13.619
That's just like a fucking space 1999 episode.

1440
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:15.000
We can't be doing that.

1441
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:31.979
But it is telling that, you know, 2 weeks ago or whatever on Deep Space 9, we had Bajoran separatists who wanted the same thing for Bajor, and now we have the Vulcan ones here and spoiler alert. that's who Robin Curtis is playing.

1442
01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:33.000
She's not...

1443
01:25:33.060 --> 01:25:39.359
If we're doing sort of pulp, can't we go, what's the big rim around the universal, the galactic barrier?

1444
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:40.020
barrier.

1445
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:47.579
The Romulans want to push themselves out of the galactic barrier into this sort of bubble part where they're just on their own.

1446
01:25:48.060 --> 01:25:54.539
But it'd be like blink of an eye or whatever, you know, like a, or, or what was that stupid one in deep state sign meridian?

1447
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:56.220
You know, like the planet, you know?

1448
01:25:57.119 --> 01:25:59.520
In a weird, in a weird space thing.

1449
01:25:59.579 --> 01:26:00.659
It's kind of, let's do that.

1450
01:26:00.779 --> 01:26:17.460
It doesn't all have to be like, because there's a great line later where, um, where she says, I've got the special, terrible Vulcan thing, and you're totally used to dealing with enemies on spaceships, with lasers and and deflect shields and all of that sort of thing.

1451
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:18.960
And this is something different from that.

1452
01:26:19.380 --> 01:26:28.800
And like that's so tantalising and so interesting as an idea that they go absolutely nowhere near. interesting for us.

1453
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:29.640
I'm sorry.

1454
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:31.439
But that would have been really interesting.

1455
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:39.479
You know, like this, like, why can't it kill people by the power of the mind no matter what distance they're at or something?

1456
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:50.819
As it turns out, it's a really unwieldy gun that like that takes like several seconds for the beam thing to kind of land on a person and it just kills.

1457
01:26:51.300 --> 01:26:52.140
We won't get there.

1458
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.420
Because the 2nd pirate whilst the 1st pirate is being destroyed by that gun.

1459
01:26:57.420 --> 01:27:00.840
Just stands there waiting for her turn.

1460
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:06.000
Now, if I was a pirate, I'd be like, oh, I think it might be my turn, next.

1461
01:27:06.060 --> 01:27:09.180
I'm using 15 seconds. to murder that person.

1462
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:11.460
Oh, murder the person on the track.

1463
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:12.899
Oh, she's really...

1464
01:27:12.899 --> 01:27:16.619
This is our mute Klingon, who doesn't want to...

1465
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:18.479
Now you tell me why this is funny.

1466
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:21.539
So this is Corral.

1467
01:27:21.899 --> 01:27:29.340
And what I think is funny is like the marina reaction and then his reaction, like Brant's reaction.

1468
01:27:29.340 --> 01:27:34.439
And just the fact, like what I think is really funny are the various scenes where they try and be jolly with him.

1469
01:27:34.979 --> 01:27:37.020
And so there's 2 of them.

1470
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:46.619
There's a scene with Brent and Marina trying to kind of, you know, butter him up and stuff like that and make everything okay and he doesn't respond.

1471
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:52.439
And then the scene, which is funny as well, with Beverly and Geordie.

1472
01:27:52.500 --> 01:27:54.479
No, Beverly and Worf trying to deal with him.

1473
01:27:54.840 --> 01:28:07.739
So this is James Worthy, and he was a former professional basketball player, and he played all throughout the 1980s.

1474
01:28:07.859 --> 01:28:10.500
So he's known to the audience, you know.

1475
01:28:10.500 --> 01:28:13.680
Did he just want a guest spot on telly?

1476
01:28:13.739 --> 01:28:15.180
Did he love the next generation?

1477
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.500
And his nickname was Big Game James. right?

1478
01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:21.420
And he's a huge league.

1479
01:28:22.140 --> 01:28:23.279
Well, he's huge.

1480
01:28:23.340 --> 01:28:24.359
I mean, you saw him.

1481
01:28:24.420 --> 01:28:25.680
He's enormous.

1482
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:26.399
James, James.

1483
01:28:26.699 --> 01:28:27.600
I think it's so cute.

1484
01:28:28.619 --> 01:28:43.319
And so and so they get him in the big basketball player doing this in a guest thing and just having our characters be silly in a scene in a show, you know, like a very, very long TNG story that's been quite boring in places.

1485
01:28:43.619 --> 01:28:56.279
And so to have the gag, there's a wonderful moment where, you know, wharf is looking up at him. like wharf is looking up at him in the background of a scene where Beverly's doing some business.

1486
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.159
Like all of that stuff, I think, is kind of funny and silly.

1487
01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:02.760
And it's like the problem with the episode isn't that it has that in it.

1488
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:09.359
It's just that that's the funniest thing that they managed to do is what the problem with the episode is, I think.

1489
01:29:09.539 --> 01:29:11.579
This is the funniest moment in the whole episode.

1490
01:29:11.939 --> 01:29:13.979
Now please watch Beverly Crusher.

1491
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:16.680
Our gates here, tiptoeing through this scene.

1492
01:29:16.979 --> 01:29:17.460
Please.

1493
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:20.220
I'm just gonna step in and scan in cycles.

1494
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:23.039
Michael's reaction is really great as well.

1495
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:26.699
I mean, she is having the best time.

1496
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.880
She goes, I've got one scene this episode and I'm going to make it count.

1497
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:31.800
That's right That's right.

1498
01:29:32.579 --> 01:29:36.779
You know, radiation leaks, biochemical contamination.

1499
01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.680
Look at Alexander singer shooting from above.

1500
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.020
She's absolutely tiny, doesn't she?

1501
01:29:43.619 --> 01:29:44.159
So good.

1502
01:29:44.220 --> 01:29:45.659
And then she just goes, oh, good.

1503
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:46.920
Excuse me.

1504
01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:48.239
I'm just look at her.

1505
01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:48.840
Look at her.

1506
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:52.859
She even strokes the top of the ship and she goes in. and then watch her inside.

1507
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:55.739
She goes, uh no, nothing in here.

1508
01:29:56.819 --> 01:29:57.720
Look at this shot.

1509
01:29:57.779 --> 01:29:58.739
She's scanning.

1510
01:29:58.739 --> 01:30:02.520
And Worthy and Michael is standing next to another.

1511
01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:06.479
Oh, it's just not long enough, that's saying it needs to be longer.

1512
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:10.619
Why do they always make Gates be serious?

1513
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.720
She's really funny I know, she is really funny.

1514
01:30:12.899 --> 01:30:21.239
But I also thought the scene where they come up with the idea of the health and safety inspection is actually kind of fun as well, and it's them doing a bit of rule breaking.

1515
01:30:21.300 --> 01:30:27.300
You know, it's like, and it looks like, you know, data's going to say, no, no, no, we can't.

1516
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:33.960
We can't search them under these pretences and stuff, and then he goes along with it because we're dealing with pirates and we can break the rules a bit.

1517
01:30:34.500 --> 01:30:35.399
You look into this.

1518
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:47.460
There's a scene in the circle, the 2nd episode of DS9 series 2, where they go in and scan a Euridian ship, because they know it's supplying arms to the Cardassians.

1519
01:30:48.060 --> 01:30:50.100
It's the same thing again. my god.

1520
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.680
I mean, is it the same writers?

1521
01:30:52.739 --> 01:30:55.859
I mean, it's different writers, isn't it, at this point, doing T and G and GS9?

1522
01:30:56.039 --> 01:31:08.279
It's a little bit of overlap, but I think that, well, like I said, there are elements in part one of Gambit that are lifted from deep space 9 and they're clearly trying to do a deep space 90 sort of thing here.

1523
01:31:08.579 --> 01:31:12.060
Do you think they watched Move Along Home, the TNG crew reform?

1524
01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:13.920
You know, we could loosen up a bit with our concepts.

1525
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:15.899
You know, have some more fun.

1526
01:31:16.619 --> 01:31:18.239
But I think they were running out of things.

1527
01:31:18.300 --> 01:31:26.039
And like, you know, all of the memorable Star Trek episodes, all of the ones that aren't the bonding and stuff and fucking booby trap or whatever.

1528
01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:28.439
You know, are the weird high concept ones.

1529
01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:31.319
Do you imagine Gambit is anyone's favourite?

1530
01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:33.720
Maybe, maybe.

1531
01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:36.119
If you're out there, will you let us know?

1532
01:31:36.300 --> 01:31:37.500
Yeah, I'd love to know.

1533
01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:46.619
I mean, like, again, it's a little bit like rise last time, as you said, where it's not a bad idea.

1534
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:54.600
And there's there's things going for it, but it's just no one's really kind of committing to the beard here is the problem.

1535
01:31:55.380 --> 01:31:58.560
It should be breezy, but instead it's kind of dull.

1536
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:00.180
Yeah, yeah.

1537
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.779
And there's all the kind of, you know, there's that dead man's boots thing.

1538
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:17.399
Remember, in mirror, mirror, originally, you know, suddenly we get on board an enterprise, but it's an enterprise where everyone's fighting, you know, jockeying for a position and stuff and everyone's looking behind their back.

1539
01:32:17.460 --> 01:32:18.960
This ship should be like that.

1540
01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:21.899
You know, that is a pirate ship, isn't it?

1541
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:27.479
Where he's wearing things split to the waist and the women are all kind of, you know, scantily clad and stuff.

1542
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:39.000
So this is the great carpet moment from part 2 of Gamba, where they give big game, James, some blood wine.

1543
01:32:40.739 --> 01:32:42.300
Is he going to spill it on the car?

1544
01:32:42.300 --> 01:32:42.960
Oh my god.

1545
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.720
He just pours it out onto the carpet.

1546
01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:48.720
The cleaners are looking going, what are you doing?

1547
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:49.859
Look at Brent.

1548
01:32:49.859 --> 01:32:51.060
Look at Brent react.

1549
01:32:52.739 --> 01:32:56.579
He goes, that's worse than insulting my mother, messing up the car here.

1550
01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:57.239
All right.

1551
01:32:58.500 --> 01:33:00.300
We have a lot of carpet on this ship.

1552
01:33:01.140 --> 01:33:02.460
If you get something fun here.

1553
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.239
She goes, Mr. Worf, even I'd have a hard time defending that sort of argument now.

1554
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:07.140
Come on.

1555
01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:08.699
Oh now watch this.

1556
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:10.739
This should be so dynamic this scene.

1557
01:33:10.979 --> 01:33:12.180
But they just come in.

1558
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:15.659
One person's down and then we go straight to the ready room.

1559
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:16.260
I love that guy.

1560
01:33:16.260 --> 01:33:17.340
It's not the ready room.

1561
01:33:17.340 --> 01:33:18.359
The observation now.

1562
01:33:18.420 --> 01:33:18.659
Sorry.

1563
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:19.439
Yeah, yeah.

1564
01:33:20.939 --> 01:33:21.420
Yes.

1565
01:33:21.779 --> 01:33:25.260
So shut your mouth, Klingon, for goodness sake.

1566
01:33:25.500 --> 01:33:38.880
So, So, again, Gates isn't reacting to Picard being alive here, and that reaction goes to Deanna in the next scene.

1567
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:40.739
Actually...

1568
01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:44.340
She's lost all expression in her face as usual, hasn't she?

1569
01:33:44.579 --> 01:33:45.659
Yeah, yeah.

1570
01:33:46.020 --> 01:33:46.380
Yeah.

1571
01:33:46.380 --> 01:33:48.720
She's been asked to act again.

1572
01:33:48.720 --> 01:34:11.460
Yeah, she doesn't quite know how to play it because they have to be kind of professional and they have to be like part of the thing, again, is this crew works really well because they're not in competition with one another and because they're simpatico with each other, they can come in and be clearly, you know, they've got some thing that they're doing and everyone goes along with it.

1573
01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:15.600
You know, I mean, here, weren't you pleased that they came into the room.

1574
01:34:15.659 --> 01:34:17.520
I was like, you a flog this joke to death now.

1575
01:34:17.579 --> 01:34:19.500
We need someone to come in with a gun.

1576
01:34:20.340 --> 01:34:22.319
Oh, bloody hell, he is massive, isn't he?

1577
01:34:22.500 --> 01:34:23.760
Yeah, yeah, it just stood up.

1578
01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:26.399
What's his name again?

1579
01:34:26.460 --> 01:34:27.119
Big game what?

1580
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:28.500
Big game James.

1581
01:34:28.859 --> 01:34:30.060
Big game James.

1582
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:31.619
Looking next to Picard.

1583
01:34:31.979 --> 01:34:34.560
Oh, come on, they put him in higher shoes or something.

1584
01:34:34.619 --> 01:34:35.880
No one is that tall.

1585
01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:44.579
There's the bartender in part one said that he was 2 metres tall with a smooth head, a human 2 metres tall with a smooth head.

1586
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:44.939
Come on.

1587
01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:48.479
He's not even one. 8 metres tall. are you talking about?

1588
01:34:50.819 --> 01:34:52.140
Can you write me up a bit, please?

1589
01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:53.640
Yeah, that's right.

1590
01:34:55.260 --> 01:35:00.239
Oh, now I do, I am very, oh, do you see the shock look on Marina's face when Riker got shot there?

1591
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1592
01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:04.020
But she's the one who sells it.

1593
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:10.439
She turns around and says he's dead and Data doesn't even realise that at the time she actually gets it right.

1594
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:12.119
She says, no, he's dead.

1595
01:35:13.140 --> 01:35:15.659
Did she say it with the same sort of energy as she said?

1596
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:17.699
He's frozen in Empower?

1597
01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:19.800
No, no, she's...

1598
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:22.920
A few years have passed since then.

1599
01:35:23.220 --> 01:35:26.939
I could do a supercut of the best merita against Lime readings, you know.

1600
01:35:27.779 --> 01:35:28.380
Shut up.

1601
01:35:28.380 --> 01:35:33.359
Oh, well acted, Marina.

1602
01:35:33.420 --> 01:35:34.380
No, he's only stunned.

1603
01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:34.859
Don't worry.

1604
01:35:35.100 --> 01:35:36.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks.

1605
01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:37.560
I think we worked that out.

1606
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:38.399
Did I care?

1607
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:41.159
Well, it's done for long, look. straight up into the camera.

1608
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:49.920
No, I do like his stand and then Data saying, I have to admit, I'm experiencing a similar sensation, which I thought was pretty good.

1609
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:56.819
Because, you know, he's Picard and he's, um, uh, he's right a bank suddenly.

1610
01:35:56.939 --> 01:36:00.420
I've got a feeling, you know, that was our big action set piece for the episode.

1611
01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:01.079
That was it.

1612
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:07.680
I mean, what I was pleased about was Gates and Michael and Jonathan were all shot.

1613
01:36:07.739 --> 01:36:11.399
So that was quite pleasing to see because we don't normally get Picard doing that sort of thing.

1614
01:36:11.699 --> 01:36:14.039
Oh, the guy gets to punch the feeling in the face.

1615
01:36:14.220 --> 01:36:15.600
There we go, which is really good.

1616
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:17.460
Riker has turned on us.

1617
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:20.220
That's what he called him in series one.

1618
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:20.760
Do you remember?

1619
01:36:20.819 --> 01:36:21.359
Riker.

1620
01:36:21.779 --> 01:36:22.439
All time.

1621
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:24.600
He never called him commander, did he?

1622
01:36:24.659 --> 01:36:25.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1623
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:26.220
Yeah.

1624
01:36:26.340 --> 01:36:27.840
Everyone was calling him Riker.

1625
01:36:27.899 --> 01:36:29.340
Or Bill, for God's sake.

1626
01:36:31.500 --> 01:36:33.659
Oh, so now he's taking over the pirate ship.

1627
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.659
Yeah, the fellow at the back there, sort of fabulous long hair.

1628
01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:37.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1629
01:36:37.979 --> 01:36:39.180
Any lines at all?

1630
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:41.279
No, he's just, there are.

1631
01:36:41.340 --> 01:36:42.659
It's not just the main guys.

1632
01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:44.760
There are a bunch of other guys on the ship.

1633
01:36:44.819 --> 01:36:46.680
There's a ship full of guys.

1634
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:48.899
Only some of whom get to talk.

1635
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:51.420
Look at the car.

1636
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:53.760
I mean, look at the fucking carpet in that shit.

1637
01:36:54.300 --> 01:36:55.739
Everybody is in shot, yeah.

1638
01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:58.140
Yeah, they're going around. carpet.

1639
01:36:58.199 --> 01:36:59.699
All I can see is the fucking carpet.

1640
01:36:59.819 --> 01:37:01.800
I'm not looking at the actors It's terrible.

1641
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.659
Oh, gyrus have soft pile underfoot.

1642
01:37:07.260 --> 01:37:07.739
No.

1643
01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:10.319
They have clanking metal.

1644
01:37:10.619 --> 01:37:11.520
They have metal.

1645
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:13.859
It's sort of...

1646
01:37:13.859 --> 01:37:17.039
Sluicing around their feet, you know, that sort of thing.

1647
01:37:17.100 --> 01:37:17.579
Look at that.

1648
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:18.119
Look at that.

1649
01:37:18.180 --> 01:37:19.680
Imagine if that was Barge of the Dead.

1650
01:37:19.739 --> 01:37:21.239
Oh, this blocking.

1651
01:37:21.300 --> 01:37:29.880
I just cannot believe even in 93 that we are shooting television with this sort of blocking with everyone in the show.

1652
01:37:29.939 --> 01:37:34.859
They all look like they're about to break into the final number leading into the end of act one.

1653
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:39.239
You look at the other television that's going out in 93 in America.

1654
01:37:39.300 --> 01:37:42.420
I mean, it's leagues ahead, direction wise.

1655
01:37:42.899 --> 01:37:52.619
Well, I think that that's part of the problem too, that now 7 years doing a show like this on its limited budget, this now, I think, is starting to look tired.

1656
01:37:52.619 --> 01:37:57.899
And, you know, it's the same old sets and stuff like that.

1657
01:37:58.920 --> 01:37:59.579
I don't know.

1658
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:01.859
Oh, now he's dead.

1659
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:03.479
Suddenly, that was easy, wasn't it?

1660
01:38:03.539 --> 01:38:04.500
That was so easy.

1661
01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:07.020
Oh, it's that body toilet. dead.

1662
01:38:07.260 --> 01:38:07.920
He's dead.

1663
01:38:09.539 --> 01:38:10.319
Very undramatic.

1664
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:27.479
Well, like I said, he pressed the kill Galen button on his servo neuro thing and somehow, while he was standing there with it clipped to his belt, Picard had managed to fix it so that it would kill him instead.

1665
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:38.760
I know, I'm absolutely desperate to see Patrick Stewart in a choker, which is probably quite inappropriate given recent events, but imagine if he was.

1666
01:38:38.819 --> 01:38:41.699
And then Bonnie Tyler died and he took him down with him.

1667
01:38:42.899 --> 01:38:43.979
It would have been very funny.

1668
01:38:44.220 --> 01:38:45.899
I'm not sure that would have been that much fun.

1669
01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:49.140
So, yes.

1670
01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.859
So now he's in charge, and he's destroyed the thing.

1671
01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:56.039
And again, I guess thematically that's a thing that's happening, isn't it?

1672
01:38:56.100 --> 01:39:00.960
Like he is just going to persuade them to do what he says.

1673
01:39:01.739 --> 01:39:03.000
You are right, by the way.

1674
01:39:03.060 --> 01:39:04.079
Thai Kajada.

1675
01:39:04.140 --> 01:39:05.279
She is the best looking pirate.

1676
01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:07.859
The laser also, the redhead.

1677
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:08.460
She looks cool.

1678
01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:09.720
It's a very DS9 look.

1679
01:39:09.779 --> 01:39:14.699
I mean, she's the sort of, you know, you can tell that Michael Westmore also designed the Darbo girls.

1680
01:39:15.659 --> 01:39:18.060
I think that might be how she looked, actually, India.

1681
01:39:19.020 --> 01:39:19.500
Right.

1682
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:19.859
Yeah.

1683
01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:27.840
So again, this scene, fortunately, is quite short, and it does a thing that we need to have done at this point.

1684
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:36.840
So this is where he's doing the bit, the cat and mouse between, um, uh, between Talera and Picard.

1685
01:39:38.939 --> 01:39:40.380
So we find...

1686
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:43.199
Is this where he says, actually, there isn't an opportunity.

1687
01:39:43.260 --> 01:39:43.739
There isn't one.

1688
01:39:43.800 --> 01:40:02.220
So we find out before Picard does, but it does look like Picard suspects something at this point, I think. which is like, it's an okay sort of reversal, a twist, but I mean, it's not really presented in a dramatic way, is it?

1689
01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:02.640
No.

1690
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:04.260
No, that's right.

1691
01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:15.779
So, so, but this scene now, because we know that, um, like that's sort of, again, that's Ronald D. Moore doing basic script drama one on one.

1692
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.939
Yeah, that's right. letting us know that in fact she's not who she says she is.

1693
01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:29.699
And so now throughout the scene, we get the sort of her nearly inadvertently revealing it and, you know, kind of tipping him off, I think.

1694
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:31.979
I'll tell you one thing I did realise.

1695
01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:40.380
Remember, I said in part one about how Patrick Stewart slips between the pirate and Captain Picard in this episode.

1696
01:40:41.220 --> 01:40:49.859
He's absolutely Captain Picard in this scene, and he's talking very passionately about, you know, this Vulcan artefact.

1697
01:40:50.220 --> 01:41:01.380
And I realised, because we've recently done a couple of early TNG episodes, how much he softened that part as it went on, because he was so stiff in one and two.

1698
01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:02.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1699
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:03.420
What was it?

1700
01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:04.920
Outrage O'Connage. you remember?

1701
01:41:04.979 --> 01:41:07.319
It was just so stupid in that episode.

1702
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:09.479
You know, his bag's still packed.

1703
01:41:09.539 --> 01:41:11.039
His bags are now unpacked.

1704
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:12.359
He's embraced this role.

1705
01:41:12.420 --> 01:41:16.319
It's a huge commercial success and there's so much warmth in his voice.

1706
01:41:18.300 --> 01:41:26.640
I think there's an element of, I'm a bit embarrassed by this in one and two, and there's absolutely an element of, I have embraced this in series seven.

1707
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:31.920
And I just, I, I just find him really charming to watch as Captain Picard in the later seasons.

1708
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:43.319
Yeah, but I think, you know, these scenes and the stuff about, you know, archeology and stuff don't happen without Captain Holiday and the chase and masks, you know.

1709
01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:50.880
I'm pleased because if we'd have had, we could have had this sort of pirate captain version of Captain Picard, you know?

1710
01:41:51.300 --> 01:41:52.619
It's sort of...

1711
01:41:52.739 --> 01:41:54.899
The Kirk version of Captain Picard.

1712
01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:56.939
Yeah, I do like the outfit.

1713
01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:58.260
Like, I think the outfit looks really good.

1714
01:41:58.319 --> 01:41:59.460
Don't need that.

1715
01:41:59.460 --> 01:42:00.239
That sort of pirate.

1716
01:42:00.779 --> 01:42:03.239
Talking bullshit. could be so charming as well.

1717
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:04.560
Yeah, we talked about that.

1718
01:42:04.619 --> 01:42:05.579
Yeah, that smiles.

1719
01:42:05.579 --> 01:42:07.500
Turk is amazing.

1720
01:42:08.460 --> 01:42:09.779
I mean, are they all?

1721
01:42:09.899 --> 01:42:11.699
I think all the captains are pretty amazing.

1722
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.000
Yeah, uh-oh.

1723
01:42:15.060 --> 01:42:16.979
Oh, yeah, sorry.

1724
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.939
Except for one who's an asshole.

1725
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.859
He is the joker in the pack.

1726
01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:28.260
This is going on forever.

1727
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:36.659
Oh, and because she's playing a Vulcan, of course, she doesn't really get to remote much, does she?

1728
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:44.760
Yeah, but she, you know, she created the female Vulcan is a kind of semi-regular character, really.

1729
01:42:44.819 --> 01:42:52.739
We had Kirsty Alley, but she does 2 films and maybe a cameo in the next one or something, like she's important, I think.

1730
01:42:52.979 --> 01:42:53.939
Do you know, Nathan?

1731
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.699
I only just realised there are several layers of carpet on that bridge.

1732
01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:57.060
Look.

1733
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:57.720
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1734
01:42:57.779 --> 01:42:59.579
And there's virtual carpet.

1735
01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:00.420
It's so bad.

1736
01:43:01.619 --> 01:43:04.979
Whoever got that job must have got a great salary.

1737
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:06.420
I mean, there's so much of it there.

1738
01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:13.319
Not as many as the one who did the walls in the Enterprise, but... so much kind of thing.

1739
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.300
Is it the worst pirate ship ever?

1740
01:43:15.779 --> 01:43:16.800
I think it might be.

1741
01:43:19.260 --> 01:43:20.939
I don't think I've seen a worst one.

1742
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:22.260
Or a more couple for one.

1743
01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:23.880
It's just terrible.

1744
01:43:24.180 --> 01:43:25.199
It's so bad.

1745
01:43:26.699 --> 01:43:43.199
And that, all of that thing, that cat and mouse thing lasted one episode, and then that one episode, one scene, and the next scene, she's denouncing it, you know, that whole kind of circling around, one another, will he find out, will we not find out, absolutely goes out the window immediately?

1746
01:43:43.260 --> 01:43:45.899
Like there's, you know, that needed to come in much earlier.

1747
01:43:46.500 --> 01:43:52.380
And what's weird is like stuff that we started in one has just sort of been abandoned completely.

1748
01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:55.739
Like you said, we did all that pretence of Picard being dead.

1749
01:43:55.800 --> 01:44:00.060
And then no one had any reactions to it at all when he turned up.

1750
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:02.399
Nobody was actually like, 0 my god, you're alive.

1751
01:44:02.939 --> 01:44:03.899
Marina did.

1752
01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:10.560
But I mean, they have the discovery happened while, you know, there's a deception so that the crew can't let on.

1753
01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.020
And so they can never really express surprise.

1754
01:44:13.020 --> 01:44:15.840
And I guess, you know, that's a choice.

1755
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:21.779
I've, I, I felt, so about this point, there was a, it felt really improvised a script.

1756
01:44:22.140 --> 01:44:24.000
I was like, okay, and now we're going to try that.

1757
01:44:24.060 --> 01:44:25.920
Now we'll kill off the head captain.

1758
01:44:26.460 --> 01:44:31.920
And now we're going to attack the ship and now we're going to, but like none of it really feels...

1759
01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:35.579
I suppose that's not too bad a shot of that cabin.

1760
01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:37.199
There's some light coming in from above.

1761
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.920
Yeah, it does feel small.

1762
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:43.500
Yeah, it does seem high.

1763
01:44:43.739 --> 01:44:45.300
I think is what they're managing.

1764
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:49.380
Like they're managing to look like it doesn't, you know, it's got a high ceiling or something.

1765
01:44:50.100 --> 01:44:52.380
And again, the camera barely moves in this set.

1766
01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:53.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1767
01:44:53.819 --> 01:44:54.659
It's so narrow.

1768
01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:55.560
There's no space.

1769
01:44:55.619 --> 01:44:57.239
It's like this tiny corridor.

1770
01:44:57.659 --> 01:44:59.220
Can you move over there, camera one?

1771
01:44:59.340 --> 01:44:59.699
No.

1772
01:45:02.220 --> 01:45:03.180
There's no room.

1773
01:45:03.300 --> 01:45:04.199
There's no over there.

1774
01:45:04.380 --> 01:45:06.000
It's minuscule set.

1775
01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:08.220
It's a terrible gone look of it.

1776
01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:10.199
I know, it's the worst.

1777
01:45:11.100 --> 01:45:13.380
She's just watching her, mate, be killed.

1778
01:45:14.220 --> 01:45:15.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1779
01:45:15.300 --> 01:45:15.720
Right?

1780
01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:16.979
About 15 seconds.

1781
01:45:16.979 --> 01:45:21.300
And then she turns it on her and instead of just, look, your gun is in your hand.

1782
01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:22.260
Yeah, yeah, shoot her.

1783
01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:24.840
Oh God.

1784
01:45:25.739 --> 01:45:28.800
Now that's something that good editing could have prevented.

1785
01:45:28.859 --> 01:45:29.760
Yeah, I could have.

1786
01:45:29.819 --> 01:45:30.060
Yeah.

1787
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:30.659
Oh, dear.

1788
01:45:31.380 --> 01:45:33.600
Then I don't know why we kill these 2 off.

1789
01:45:33.659 --> 01:45:37.260
Why can't we let them leave to fight another day and do other fun pirate things.

1790
01:45:37.619 --> 01:45:39.600
Quick, get the clue done, Jean-Luc.

1791
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:40.859
I don't know.

1792
01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:42.539
So all the other pirates on the ship.

1793
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:45.060
Did I get to go off on live happily ever after?

1794
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:46.319
The ones that didn't get to talk?

1795
01:45:46.979 --> 01:45:47.819
Yeah.

1796
01:45:47.819 --> 01:45:48.119
Yeah.

1797
01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:51.779
They did more thumb things than this. in the future.

1798
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:53.699
Yes, let's hope so.

1799
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:56.880
Now all the boring characters have gone.

1800
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:58.020
We can have some fun.

1801
01:45:58.439 --> 01:45:59.760
Get the orgy going.

1802
01:45:59.819 --> 01:46:00.119
Come on.

1803
01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:01.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1804
01:46:02.220 --> 01:46:08.220
So again, this is unlike anything we've ever faced, but what it is like we don't ever see any of that.

1805
01:46:08.460 --> 01:46:09.840
We see her kill people.

1806
01:46:10.979 --> 01:46:13.920
Look, that ankle, it looks even smaller, the set, doesn't it?

1807
01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:17.399
There's barely room for 4 people to stand there.

1808
01:46:17.699 --> 01:46:18.600
Yeah, that's right.

1809
01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:20.819
Oh, again, we're blocking beautifully.

1810
01:46:21.060 --> 01:46:22.859
Alex, I'll just sing out, they're all in the shop.

1811
01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:26.279
You stand a few minutes behind him.

1812
01:46:26.340 --> 01:46:27.840
You said a few minutes behind.

1813
01:46:28.979 --> 01:46:31.920
TV is just not at all sure like that now, is it?

1814
01:46:31.979 --> 01:46:36.600
Like you very rarely get shots where the whole cast is in one shot.

1815
01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:37.800
Yeah, yeah.

1816
01:46:38.039 --> 01:46:40.739
It's always cutting away to reactions, aren't you?

1817
01:46:40.859 --> 01:46:41.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1818
01:46:41.699 --> 01:46:42.000
Exactly.

1819
01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:43.979
It's extraordinary.

1820
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:47.819
The more we explore TNG.

1821
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:49.500
I can't wait to see more more of it.

1822
01:46:51.779 --> 01:47:00.239
But I actually think there was a bit more, we talked about this risk taking a dynamism in the early seasons with how they, with how they were shooting things anyway.

1823
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:01.020
Yeah, yeah.

1824
01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:04.500
They did know what they were doing and that's not such a terrible thing.

1825
01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:05.819
It turns out for a change.

1826
01:47:06.659 --> 01:47:09.180
Oh, it's got straight through Riker.

1827
01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:10.020
Yeah.

1828
01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:12.779
And look, it's actually sort of, she shakes.

1829
01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:15.180
Why does it affect her?

1830
01:47:15.779 --> 01:47:16.500
I don't know.

1831
01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:17.640
I don't know.

1832
01:47:17.699 --> 01:47:19.020
No I think she's just upset.

1833
01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:25.260
It's like, well, actually, she's probably feeling quite aggressive force towards them because it's not working.

1834
01:47:25.739 --> 01:47:28.800
Should a more sort of thing turn around and turn her.

1835
01:47:28.979 --> 01:47:31.859
No, instead she gets captured and sent to prison.

1836
01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:33.060
Never seen again?

1837
01:47:33.659 --> 01:47:34.439
Never seen again.

1838
01:47:34.619 --> 01:47:36.359
Never seen. show's about to end.

1839
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.239
Why she came down on her knees right now?

1840
01:47:40.140 --> 01:47:42.180
No, see, it doesn't even work on wharf.

1841
01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:43.199
That's how shit she is.

1842
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.840
She's so shocked she got down on her knees.

1843
01:47:46.020 --> 01:47:47.279
Even a Klingon?

1844
01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:48.659
Yeah, that's right.

1845
01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:49.199
That's right.

1846
01:47:51.300 --> 01:47:52.319
Well, that's it.

1847
01:47:52.380 --> 01:47:55.739
You're useless All of that. and now you're gonna go to prison.

1848
01:47:55.979 --> 01:47:59.579
We are such enlightened people that your weapon is wrong.

1849
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:00.300
You can't kill us.

1850
01:48:00.659 --> 01:48:01.439
Oh, she does.

1851
01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:03.960
Oh, to be fair, she does try and shoot it right in the face there.

1852
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:06.479
Yeah, that's right.

1853
01:48:06.539 --> 01:48:07.140
Yeah.

1854
01:48:07.739 --> 01:48:08.159
Yeah.

1855
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:09.479
That's a laugh.

1856
01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:10.739
He's not having any of it.

1857
01:48:11.340 --> 01:48:13.920
I am the purest of all, Tara.

1858
01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:16.319
Jesus Christ.

1859
01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:21.180
But that's a cheesy Star Trek ending and like I'm there for that.

1860
01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:26.939
And that's that's Ron Moore doing a cheesy Star Trek ending. on that planet there.

1861
01:48:27.539 --> 01:48:28.739
All those sort of lawyers.

1862
01:48:28.859 --> 01:48:29.760
It's that settlements.

1863
01:48:30.420 --> 01:48:31.140
Looks great.

1864
01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:33.420
What was that sort of volcanic witches?

1865
01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:35.699
Well, that's Vulcan, isn't it?

1866
01:48:35.819 --> 01:48:36.420
Vulcan?

1867
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:38.399
This was the funniest scene in the whole thing.

1868
01:48:39.060 --> 01:48:48.180
So the thing that I like about this scene is like they're both kind of playing off on another, and then data, you know, who has a history of not getting the joke.

1869
01:48:49.020 --> 01:48:57.899
Um, uh, you know, like the way that he pushes gates off the sheep into the water, uh, and he doesn't normally get jokes.

1870
01:48:58.020 --> 01:49:01.619
And you've got Riker going, you do realise he was joking, right?

1871
01:49:01.800 --> 01:49:04.380
And data is just completely impassive.

1872
01:49:04.739 --> 01:49:08.760
And you're kind of going, yeah, I think Data knows that this is a joke.

1873
01:49:09.300 --> 01:49:13.319
After all, he's been really savvy as the commanding officer of this ship.

1874
01:49:13.380 --> 01:49:15.060
He knows what people mean.

1875
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:16.079
He knows what they want.

1876
01:49:16.380 --> 01:49:27.060
And I think he is, you know, he's absolutely doing a joke and really... where they're all sort of trying to outdo each other, go, well, you know, actually, technically, you should be this.

1877
01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:28.619
And actually, you should be in the brigand.

1878
01:49:29.159 --> 01:49:30.779
Where's that been in this script?

1879
01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:31.859
Yeah that's right.

1880
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:35.279
It's actually really... actual width.

1881
01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:38.819
But again, Brad, you came in right selling it.

1882
01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.380
Yeah, it's so funny.

1883
01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:45.359
Yeah, and it's leaning into their their their relationship as actors as well.

1884
01:49:45.420 --> 01:49:46.680
You can see it all there on the screen.

1885
01:49:47.100 --> 01:49:48.359
Where's that been in the story?

1886
01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:49.680
Yeah, yeah.

1887
01:49:49.859 --> 01:49:51.659
Yeah, look at look at my car.

1888
01:49:51.720 --> 01:49:54.960
Look at the smile again, just great reaction shots from Jonathan.

1889
01:49:55.380 --> 01:49:58.140
Look, and totally impassive, Brent.

1890
01:49:58.260 --> 01:49:59.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1891
01:49:59.100 --> 01:50:02.340
Just completely failing to have any facial expression at all.

1892
01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:05.100
It's funny if you don't know I'm in on the joke.

1893
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:06.539
Exactly.

1894
01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:10.680
And just having them walk out of shot and then do the thing.

1895
01:50:10.739 --> 01:50:12.359
Like, I think that that's a pretty great idea.

1896
01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:14.399
Isn't it nice to laugh at Star Trek?

1897
01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:15.960
Wow.

1898
01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:19.140
Yeah, let us do that.

1899
01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:19.859
I'm telling you now.

1900
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:20.460
Keep it going.

1901
01:50:20.699 --> 01:50:25.140
There's a tracking shot here that's, it looks great in going down the corridors.

1902
01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:28.739
I don't think that's Fantasms, is it?

1903
01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:30.000
Is it emergence?

1904
01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:31.380
Is it emergence?

1905
01:50:31.500 --> 01:50:33.539
No, it's all season 7, episode 6.

1906
01:50:33.539 --> 01:50:34.140
Fantasms.

1907
01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:34.500
Yeah.

1908
01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:34.920
Okay.

1909
01:50:34.979 --> 01:50:36.840
I thinking of emergents, but...

1910
01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:38.699
And then you've got the sort of the millers there.

1911
01:50:38.939 --> 01:50:40.920
Bashing away inside the wall.

1912
01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:42.300
Jack's great.

1913
01:50:42.539 --> 01:50:46.260
It's better than anything we've seen in Gambit in 5 seconds.

1914
01:50:47.100 --> 01:50:48.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1915
01:50:48.180 --> 01:50:52.680
I do think it's down to the director, you know, whether they want to give it some month or not.

1916
01:50:53.100 --> 01:50:53.520
Yeah.

1917
01:50:53.819 --> 01:50:55.739
But also whether they're given the chance to.

1918
01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:59.279
I think that there is just a kind of failure to commit here.

1919
01:50:59.340 --> 01:51:00.300
Isn't that the problem?

1920
01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:05.159
I think we identified it early on that, you know, no one really wants to be doing the pirate thing.

1921
01:51:05.220 --> 01:51:07.020
No one wants to do Camp Star Trek.

1922
01:51:07.079 --> 01:51:15.659
That's a terrible creative decision and the right decision is to do fun camp Star Trek with pirates, as we've subsequently discovered.

1923
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:20.699
But because no one really wants to do it, they just half-ass it and it's just not very good.

1924
01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:27.119
The people at the top are saying, don't be silly and fun with this.

1925
01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:30.840
Then the M result is not going to be silly and fun.

1926
01:51:31.140 --> 01:51:31.619
No.

1927
01:51:31.859 --> 01:51:33.720
And it should have been silly and fun.

1928
01:51:34.380 --> 01:51:35.399
And they can do it.

1929
01:51:35.460 --> 01:51:36.180
They can do it.

1930
01:51:36.840 --> 01:51:39.899
As we've identified elsewhere, they can absolutely do it.

1931
01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:40.619
Yeah.

1932
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:42.659
They just sort of given up at this point.

1933
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.359
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1934
01:51:57.779 --> 01:52:07.979
It's my turn on the randomiser, and I have pressed the 21st century trek button.

1935
01:52:07.979 --> 01:52:20.100
And that means Discovery, Short Treks, Picard, Lower Decks, Strange Worlds, and Starfleet Academy, up for grabs.

1936
01:52:20.699 --> 01:52:21.720
So it could be anything.

1937
01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:27.060
This is where my knowledge is scant, but I learn an awful lot.

1938
01:52:27.539 --> 01:52:28.380
I can't wait.

1939
01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:29.760
All right.

1940
01:52:29.819 --> 01:52:31.020
So I'm going to press the button.

1941
01:52:33.060 --> 01:52:40.739
Your random Star Trek prodigy episode is season one episode 4 Dreamcatcher.

1942
01:52:41.340 --> 01:52:49.739
The crew of the protest star lands on an uninhabited lush alien world, where the lines between reality and imagination become blurred.

1943
01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.939
I mean, it's going to be visually stunning, isn't it?

1944
01:52:54.000 --> 01:53:01.500
It's going to be early prodigy as well before it gets too complicated and too many timelines and things.

1945
01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:05.640
I imagine that's going to be pretty charming, but I don't want to do the 1st one.

1946
01:53:05.699 --> 01:53:06.899
Let's try another one.

1947
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:08.760
Okay, let's go.

1948
01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:18.000
Your random Star Trek Picard episode is season three, episode one, the next generation.

1949
01:53:19.739 --> 01:53:23.220
Oh, I think we should do it.

1950
01:53:23.340 --> 01:53:27.420
Particularly, particularly given that Patrick Diamond.

1951
01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:28.079
Yeah, that's right.

1952
01:53:28.140 --> 01:53:28.859
So recently.

1953
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:48.300
Um, and because I think, you know, we said this, this time that, well, I did at least that the, the kind of interactions between Jonathan and Patrick in this episode in Gambit, parts one and 2 eventually leads to the kind of interactions that we have in the next generation in Star Trek Picard.

1954
01:53:48.659 --> 01:53:49.739
It's so rare.

1955
01:53:49.800 --> 01:53:55.859
I saw an interview recently with Jonathan Frakes, where he said, they just didn't let us have like conflict a lot.

1956
01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:56.699
Me and Patrick.

1957
01:53:56.699 --> 01:54:04.500
And that's what I really loved about that last season of Picard in that we got to play some juicy dramatic scenes together.

1958
01:54:04.500 --> 01:54:16.560
But I just remember watching this 1st episode and thinking, oh, there's a, there's a feeling like this is the start of something really epic.

1959
01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:19.920
Now, you know, and I know that I didn't quite like where it went.

1960
01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:23.939
It wasn't quite as epic as I was hoping for, but the 1st half of this series.

1961
01:54:24.420 --> 01:54:26.340
I think there's a real confidence to this.

1962
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.439
And you know, we've just lost Patrick.

1963
01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:30.899
So let's enjoy him some more.

1964
01:54:31.260 --> 01:54:31.739
Absolutely.

1965
01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:32.279
Let's do that.

1966
01:54:32.340 --> 01:54:33.239
That's gonna be fun.

1967
01:54:41.100 --> 01:54:45.359
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1968
01:54:45.420 --> 01:54:50.819
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com and wherever you get your podcasts.

1969
01:54:51.659 --> 01:54:56.520
Our artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1970
01:54:57.060 --> 01:55:02.520
This episode was recorded on the 10th of November 2026 and released on the 13th of November.

1971
01:55:03.060 --> 01:55:06.840
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Picard, the next generation.

1972
01:55:26.039 --> 01:55:28.260
This isn't the one we've got in in it, is it?

1973
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:29.520
That's season two, episode one.

1974
01:55:29.939 --> 01:55:33.659
It is, yeah, season two. is the one that Kinden's in.

1975
01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:35.939
Where they go to the bar, yeah.

1976
01:55:37.979 --> 01:55:39.180
Oh, and 7 of nine.

1977
01:55:39.180 --> 01:55:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah. on the captain.

1978
01:55:44.460 --> 01:55:47.159
Do we get anything off that fabulous villain in this as well?

1979
01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.260
Oh, Amanda Plummer.

1980
01:55:49.380 --> 01:55:50.340
Sure, actually.

1981
01:55:50.399 --> 01:55:51.180
I can't remember.

1982
01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:53.039
I can't remember Vatic, remember?

1983
01:55:53.640 --> 01:55:55.680
Yeah, oh, Todd Stashwick.

1984
01:55:56.100 --> 01:55:57.180
I know, he's so good.

1985
01:55:57.539 --> 01:55:58.739
Aw, as well.

1986
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:03.239
Well, already we're looking forward to this more than we were.

1987
01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:03.960
Gambit.

1988
01:56:05.340 --> 01:56:06.359
And rightly so.

1989
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:11.159
Oh, that's good.

1990
01:56:11.220 --> 01:56:12.420
Yeah, I'm glad we showed that.

1991
01:56:12.420 --> 01:56:13.439
That's good.

1992
01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:15.720
So I did that.

1993
01:56:16.079 --> 01:56:21.539
I think it was I was about to get the plane over to Italy.

1994
01:56:23.220 --> 01:56:27.659
And I, It's 2023.

1995
01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.739
So it wasn't last time, it was the 1st time I came to visit you.

1996
01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:47.460
And I was in the Holiday Inn at Heathrow Airport and Colin Neal met me for dinner, but I stopped in the hotel and I torrented the episode and then just watched it in the hotel before going out to dinner.

1997
01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:52.800
So I remember it really well because I think I was watching that season while I was travelling around Italy.

1998
01:56:54.060 --> 01:56:55.739
I can't remember what was happening.

1999
01:56:57.119 --> 01:56:58.260
Maybe I was ill.

2000
01:56:58.619 --> 01:57:15.840
Maybe I was having a period where I wasn't feeling great, but I was in and I was up late and I watched this one and then I remember I rolled into 2 and then I rolled into 3 and then I rolled into 4 because they were just getting better and better.

2001
01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:19.260
And I was up until about 2 or 3 in the morning.

2002
01:57:19.619 --> 01:57:22.079
I remember just watching them one after another.

2003
01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:25.979
Yeah, I can't remember what was happening at the time.

2004
01:57:28.260 --> 01:57:40.859
We were talking about that yesterday, me and Mark, we were like talking about like where we were when we've heard different big finishes because sometimes it's been on trains. sometimes it's been on the beach. sometimes it's been on walks.

2005
01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:42.239
Do you know what I mean?

2006
01:57:42.300 --> 01:57:45.720
Like sometimes when where you 1st watch something.

2007
01:57:45.779 --> 01:57:46.140
Yeah.

2008
01:57:46.140 --> 01:57:50.460
Lodges in your head because that, I mean, that's different from anywhere.

2009
01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:52.020
You watched everything else, right?

2010
01:57:52.140 --> 01:57:52.500
Yeah.

2011
01:57:54.060 --> 01:57:55.859
Justice on my sofa, you know.

2012
01:57:55.920 --> 01:57:59.880
No, that is not the 1st time I saw it, but maybe the best time.

2013
01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:02.640
Upsetting, all that tucking.

2014
01:58:02.699 --> 01:58:03.239
Oh boy.

2015
01:58:03.300 --> 01:58:04.079
Oh my god.

2016
01:58:04.140 --> 01:58:05.520
It was like a clan rally.

2017
01:58:07.020 --> 01:58:08.939
I've seen that picture doing the rows lately.

2018
01:58:09.060 --> 01:58:11.340
I like, why does everyone keep sharing that picture on that man?

2019
01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:13.079
Oh, is it the picture of the way port?

2020
01:58:13.619 --> 01:58:15.420
That terrible tucking picture.

2021
01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:17.340
It's so funny though.

2022
01:58:17.460 --> 01:58:28.140
It's the perfect thing because it is like Marina going like this and it's for old Denise looking off camera and her agent going.

2023
01:58:28.140 --> 01:58:30.000
I'm the man.

2024
01:58:31.979 --> 01:58:32.880
What do I do?

2025
01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:33.479
What do I do?

2026
01:58:33.479 --> 01:58:35.520
Moose knuckle.

2027
01:58:37.739 --> 01:58:39.000
Just horrible boy.

2028
01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:53.579
I think it was in reaction to, you know, these dreadful people that are saying that Kurtzman tricks. too woke and not serious enough, and then people are posting that picture going, oh, back in the days, when it was really...

2029
01:58:53.939 --> 01:58:58.260
And also not work because everyone's fucking white and blonde on this planet.

2030
01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:01.319
Planet of the Nazis.

2031
01:59:01.380 --> 01:59:03.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2032
01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:03.840
Again.

2033
01:59:04.079 --> 01:59:05.520
And horribly unsexy.

2034
01:59:05.579 --> 01:59:06.239
Just awful.